Christon T. Harris and Derek Brose dissect alleged MKUltra victim infiltration, linking Epstein's files to Rothschilds, Skull and Bones, and the Temple of Set's Monarch program. They explore CIA cover-ups regarding the Finders cult in Tallahassee, Bitcoin hijacking for control, and General McCaslin's disappearance at Wright-Patterson. The discussion expands to Los Angeles ballot fraud involving Urban Signers and cash-for-signatures schemes, while questioning narratives around Charlie Kirk's assassination and the Great Reset agenda. Ultimately, the episode suggests a coordinated elite effort to manipulate minds, elections, and geopolitics through psychological operations and systemic corruption. [Automatically generated summary]
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We're going to be diving into the Epstein files, the Finders Cult, and a whole bunch more.
Today's show, we're going to title it The Plot to Infiltrate the U.S. Government with MK Ultra Victims and Slaves.
And the reason why I wanted to talk to you guys about this, I've been going viral the last month, digging through these Epstein files.
If you don't know, I was one of the only reporters that was at the Galan Maxwell trial for five weeks, dissecting, confronting her sister Isabel Maxwell, and a whole bunch of other things.
We released the stenographer's victims testimonies, which we broadcasted on the war room as well as the American Journal.
Harrison Smith had me on many times to talk about what was going on with the Epstein files.
Well, now we've had the big dump.
We had 3.5 million documents, and I started to read through these documents.
And I had to tell you guys, just like many of you out there, my heart hurt.
My heart hurt really bad.
I started to wonder, what is reality?
And what is the, how does our world really work?
And we're finding out that it's extortion.
We're finding out that it's blackmail.
And we're finding out that Epstein was at the center of it.
So over the last few weeks, I went on a mission.
I went on a mission to interview many MK Ultra survivors to have a better understanding of what was going on in these secret government operations and how it all ties to satanic ritual abuse.
I interviewed the Real 11.
Her name is Elisa E.
She discussed and talked about her experiences in MK Ultra and Satanic abuse.
I interviewed Christopher La Troyer.
He's a Montauk boy.
He's an MK Ultra survivor.
He went on to tell me he had to do things like cannibalism.
He had to murder and sacrifice a child in a group, and they had to drink his blood and eat the child.
They actually feed them the individuals.
So when I started reading the Jeffrey Epstein documents and some of the accusations, not just against Donald Trump, but also Epstein and other individuals in the files, I started stumbling upon documents that talked about this.
I started to think about how programmed our world is and the fact that many of us out there are running little MK Ultra programs ourselves.
The fact that somebody could sit in a Montauk chair and bring whatever was in their mind to reality through a head device that allowed them to magnify their astral projection, dive into this esoteric occultism, and really be powerful.
So I started doing some research.
I grew up in the church, and I think a lot of us out there started out hearing about this.
The Illuminati occult, the organizations that are out there impacting our mind and fighting for ourselves.
I pulled up some old documents and some old videos and started researching.
And I found out that this isn't something that is new.
We were warned about the way the Illuminati works, which is, by the way, if you've seen the interview with Jeffrey Epstein and Bannon, where he talks about, oh, yeah, I met the Rockefellers and, oh, there was some kind of weird stuff.
Oh, the Illuminati.
Well, the Illuminati hasn't gone anywhere since 1776, right?
Although they had lodges in Italy and France and all over the United States, Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were Weish Hopped sympathizers, thinking that he was a utopian in the idea in a vision of William Godfrey.
You had the League of the Just, which basically funded the Communist Manifesto, infiltrated Christian religions, Judaic religions, Islamic religions with their own atheistic agenda to destroy the world we live in, the theology we live in, amongst other things, which later on became the Communist Party.
If you need to find the trail, just read Marvin Antelman's Eliminate the Opiate.
It's all there.
So how does this all tie into the Epstein files, the Illuminati, and all these things?
Well, let's go back to one of the very first whistleblowers on occult, on mind control, and how the magic works.
This is of an individual named John Todd in the 60s and 70s talking about how they infiltrate your mind, how they are coming for your soul.
And who was John Todd?
He was in charge of Zodiac Productions.
It was an umbrella organization that controlled a lot of the music in the 60s and 70s.
Go ahead and roll the clip, guys.
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I said on a council of 13 people that take orders only from the Rothschild Tribunal in London, which they claim they take their orders directly from Lucifer.
I was the manager of Zodiac Productions, which Zodiac Productions name's been changed since then.
I'm not even sure what to call it now, but it's the largest music conglomerate in the world.
It owns RCA Records, Columbia Records, Motown Records, owns almost all the concert booking agencies in the United States.
And that's not even the name of the company that owns it.
The name of the company that owns it is Brenner Enterprises.
And Brenner Enterprises is owned by Chase Manhattan.
Chase Manhattan, owned by Standard Oil, and Standard Oil is owned by the Lords of London.
You can track it all back.
You kind of get the idea after a while.
But I was the managing president of Zodiac Productions.
It's one of my jobs is being one of these 13 people.
Thus, I got to know many of the people who produced music and sing the music and play the music that you play.
Now, one of the closest friends that I got during that time that I paint was a man named David Crosby, Crosby Still Nash and Young.
I saw David the day before Christmas last year, talked with him.
I got him away from this witch that he had with him.
He told her to go shopping.
We were in West Hollywood, and I was witnessing around to people I knew.
We went off in his store and we started talking.
I said, David, I'd like to ask you a couple questions.
I said, I already know the answers, but I've been gone for five years.
I'd like to know if certain things are still the way they were when I left.
I said, do they, now I'll have to explain some of this when I'm done, because you're not going to understand it all unless you know something about music.
I said, do they still take the master to the temple room?
Dave said, yeah.
I said, do they still have the Colvin conjure demons into the master?
He said, of course.
I said, no, I've got to know something.
What's the main reason for rock music?
He said, come on, Lance, you know what the reason is.
I said, please, David, I don't want to guess.
Tell me what the main reason is.
He says, the same as when you were in, so that we can place spells on people that we couldn't cast spells upon.
I'll explain what that means in a minute.
I said, okay, one last thing.
I've been hearing that you must be an initiated witch now to get a record contract.
He said, that's right.
He says, many of us that weren't total witches have to be witches now in order to produce music.
The master is a tape about as big as the top of this podium that looks like an overgrown eight track that the album is cut on and it's placed in a machine that produces and presses the records and the eight tracks and confesses you buy.
After it's been recorded, it's taken in.
This is why a master is cut months in advance before it's released.
On the full moon, it's taken in to a temple room about the size of this auditorium that is in every one of the major music companies behind locked doors up in the executive offices.
And it's placed on an altar setting in the north of the room and a pentagram engraved in the floor.
And 13 hand-chosen witches and wizards and a Colvin come in and conjure a principality or a power up, usually Reja or something like that, and order him to tell the demons under him to follow every record and every tape coming off of that master.
Because I tell many Christian parents, you can go home and count your kids' records, probably yours too, and count how many demons at least are there.
If that's too hard for you to believe, I'm sorry.
That's why they do it.
Now listen to me.
This is why rock music is addicting.
Have you ever seen kids that got rid of their music?
They go around like this.
They can't wait to find a rock station somewhere and they sneak off.
It's like getting a cigarette or a fix because it's addicting.
That's why they can't give it up.
The rest of the conversation was this.
You can't cast a spell on a Christian, but you can get a Christian to cast a spell on themselves.
If you give the permission for the spell to work, being a Christian won't block it.
And rock music is not just a song.
It is supernatural music that witches carefully designed by their spirit guides or familiar spirits in the form of spells.
Now, although the devil's music par is the music and God's music is the words, much of the songs are written in what we call witch language.
Give you kind of an idea.
You talk, many of you talk on the CD, unless you know what a smokey is and a 10-4 and a front door and back door rocking chair and any type of things.
They literally have to let you know what they're doing, and that allows you or makes them accept, makes you accept the spell that they're casting on you.
That is exactly what we've been talking about on our broadcast.
And what we're talking about here is the idea of MKUltra and programming humans.
We are literally running programs in the daily life we work with.
And when I interviewed Alyssa E and some of these other survivors, we started to talk about the trauma bond and how, you know, Christopher said that his initial testing was at a school and it was a government site and they knew it was MK Ultra.
But they told him that, you know, your kid will be a great, you know, American, you know, a 401k.
And he said people went missing.
Like the first day in, they gave him some binocular type VR set.
It wasn't virtual reality, but he said it reminded him of Game Boy VR.
And he looked at it and all it was was like snuff adult films.
It was the torture.
It was murder.
It was bombing, kaleidoscoped and different images.
And they slowly started to start to program him as a young child.
Then every day they started, his mother would put a little drop of acid on his tongue on his way to school because that was part of the program.
Because he was easier to condition.
He was easier to program when he was on the psychedelics.
Let that sink in.
And from there, they start building these traumatical, dramatical experiences.
They start torturing the youth.
They would start making them be involved in child sacrifice, cannibalism, drinking blood.
They dehumanize them and they develop and build a second identity.
Have you guys ever heard about the Franklin trafficking case?
We're going to play a video about that right now.
The Franklin trafficking case dealt with an MK Ultra individual who was under deposition and he gave a testimony in court that he had multiple programs that he was running for the military.
His name is Paul Banassi.
We're going to go ahead and we're going to play five or six minutes of this clip right here.
I want you guys to listen to what they are saying and how is he how he's answering his questions because they literally have to conjure up and tell him a code like, hey, here's a phone call.
Here's the code.
All of a sudden that personality comes out.
All of a sudden that character comes out and does whatever it's programmed to.
That's how the monarch sex program is working.
And that ties it into the Epstein files and what was going on with the Epstein files.
They're building monarch sex slaves is what they were doing.
That's what you read over and over.
The ritualistic abuse, the satanic ritual abuse.
You heard all these crazy things about George Bush being president.
That's not the first time we heard about that.
We've heard about that at Skull and Bones.
We heard about craziness at Bohemian Grove.
Well, guess who's all involved in those organizations?
Monarch, as I said, was a program that used children to make multiple personalities for future use as spies and as a way to take over the United States government.
The personalities were created at the first.
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Excuse me, who was intending to take over the United States government?
We're talking about Peter Thiel, Peter Thiel giving his little Antichrist conversation by the Vatican, right?
All of a sudden, we hear things and bogus hoaxes like Project Anchor.
Oh, no, the planet's going to lose its gravity for seven seconds.
Oh, that sounds like a lot like the rapture.
They have programmed Americans to buy this hook, line, and sinker.
They're using the script or the scripture as a map to get you to be complacent.
If that were the case, and we were supposed to be complacent by God's right, we would all be speaking German right now.
And I'm telling you right now that this is a lie.
And many of us in our daily lives are being programmed by the music we listen to, by the movies we watch, by the books that we read, by the things that we see.
And we're not even having an original thought in our very own mind.
We are allowing ourselves to be programmed.
We're allowing this into our life.
And this is how they do it.
They do it through trauma, through bonds, at these military camps.
I asked many of my MK Ultra survivors, you know, what other organizations are involved.
Well, guess what?
It's secret societies.
You heard about the Temple of Set, you know, the opposite of Light and Lucius.
You know, they got the sun, Horace.
That's where you get ours or Horace has risen, the horizon.
Ours is an anagram for Horace.
It's a 12, Horace and his 12 followers.
And the opposite, that's where you get sunset, the darkness, the temple of set, the devil, satanic Luciferianism.
And at the end of the day, we have to stop and look back at Albert Pike's three world wars.
Remember that?
What was the third world war that allegedly was supposed to be taking place?
Remember the programming?
Because that's part of the programming.
The fact that that letter got out there and the Jewish world has to face off against Islam because of an ancient dispute about who was going to be sacrificed on an artifact.
At the end of the day, they murder each other, according to Pike.
And then the Christians, who are so upset that Israel is being struggling and they're having their area destroyed, they rebuild the Temple of Solomon.
And then all of a sudden, the atheists and the Christians spar off.
This way they remove and eliminate each other.
And guess what?
Satanic Luciferianism can be king because that's the religion of the Rothschilds.
And if you don't think what's going on in Iran is directly resulted at somewhat of what's going on in the Epstein files, I'm telling you, you're wrong.
Just read the letters from the Rothschilds to Epstein talking about how they benefited from Hitler, how they planned with Hitler, how the Epstein family also helped Hitler.
And all of a sudden, they're embarrassed because it was anti-Semitic or anti-Satanic.
I can't tell the difference these days.
To say the fact that Rothschilds helped Hitler.
He might have been a descendant of them for all we know.
That being said, when we come back, we have a great guest joining us, Ryder Lee by Raised by Giants.
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General William McCaslin disappeared while hiking almost three weeks ago.
And if that isn't interesting, he was in charge of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
I find it like synchronistic because when I start diving into these Epstein files, there's a lot of interest in hokey-pokey spirituality into occultism.
And the idea of UFOs is just about permeated everywhere in government.
Now, all of a sudden, we had Barack Obama talking about, oh, yeah, there's aliens.
And Donald Trump's like, oh, he shouldn't have released that.
It's classified.
And now I'm going to have to go ahead and have disclosure because of it.
And then all of a sudden, the guy who is running the base, right?
The base, Wright Patterson Air Force Base, disappears three days after Trump's claim.
I wonder if that's me.
I wonder if he said anything to Barack Obama and that's why he went MIA.
I'm not quite sure.
I'm not quite sure.
But I'm going to tell you, it's a very interesting thing when somebody who literally had his hands on UFO equipment.
And how we know that is because in the Podesta leaks, there was an email between him and Blink182 frontman Tom DeLong, who I've met several times throughout my life in the 90s and early 2000s, touring in a punk rock band and on Van's warp tour.
Interesting guy who just wants to know the truth.
Well, guess what?
In the email, it talks about, oh, you know, that we have McCassland here.
And yeah, he does know about the UFO phenomenon.
And he's on board.
He's going to work with me on it.
As well as the fact it was rumored that he had the initial Roswell crash site.
So here is the link linking the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
General McCasslin was in charge of the exact laboratory up to a couple years ago, right?
And that had the Roswell crash.
Not only that, when you hear all these other interesting top secret stories about Antarctica and groups going missing and reappearing a week later, everything's always sent to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
And it's interesting to me, but almost nobody is giving this subject attention.
I wonder why it is.
In an under-hour window, this guy went missing.
He left his wallet at home, right?
All he grabbed was his gun, or excuse me, it was his gun.
And, you know, he didn't even bring his bifocals and he disappeared.
No sight of him anywhere to be found.
There's search parties going on for days.
We're three weeks in.
And now it comes out, well, he's not the only one.
Roll the clip.
This is clip three.
This is the news talking about what is going on right now with William McCasslin.
Not only that, the new missing individual that was working with them that was reported missing months prior, Monica Riza.
And the latest on the urgent hunt for a retired Air Force general who vanished nearly three weeks ago.
The FBI is now helping local authorities in the search for William Neil McCassland.
Investigators say the 68-year-old former general had some sort of brain fog before he disappeared, but they stressed that he was not cognitively impaired.
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There's no indication, and we are not putting forward that Mr. McCasslin was disoriented, confused.
Arguably, he would still be the most intelligent person in the room that any of us would be in.
Highly intelligent, highly capable.
But that information was given to us early on.
And out of an abundance of caution, we escalated to a silver alert.
How is it that they are making people vanish when they're hanging out with individuals?
Just gone.
I want you guys to put on your thinking camp.
If you've got any ideas how the government can just vanish somebody who is running 30 feet behind you that you turn around, she waves at you, you look back, and then she's gone.
Let me know.
That being said, we are moving forward with our guests.
And it's interesting because Hillary Clinton's interested in Gilgamesh and who knows what they want with DNA and life extension amongst everything else.
They have an interest in the occult in the subjects of aliens and UFOs.
You can see it in the Podesta emails and how this all ties together.
We're going to be diving into a little bit of this and the Epstein files.
Welcome to the broadcast.
We have Ryder Lee.
He's a director of JFKX and Clockwork Shining.
And he's a host of Raised by Giants podcast.
Welcome to the broadcast.
Are your thoughts of uh, this whole Mccasslin situation?
Well, if you believe Bob Lazar's story uh, like some people do, some people don't, it's a very interesting story never really changed his uh story for a really long time.
He said the same thing over and over and over again.
But he has mentioned before that at Area 51 and S4 that he got the impression that there were people that worked there that never leave the base.
You're saying that there's people like they could have been disappeared.
They could be in some underground base.
Both these individuals and you know nobody will ever see them again.
That's what Alisa E says.
She said that they have underground bases where they do diabolical things.
Uh, amongst that, they must have secret testing sites for things that aren't diabolical but military based, and so they could just disappear.
These people we think they're dead uh, and really they're in some deep underground military base or in the side of a mountain that's been hollowed out.
That's exactly right and that explains a lot of different things.
I mean, you can essentially fake your death like that and then be in this top secret underground military base working for the rest of your life until you die inside of this top secret underground military base.
But one of the really interesting things that I think a lot of people look over when it comes to Babbazar is that he also mentioned that he felt like that several of the Ufos that he worked on he felt like that they came from an archaeological dig.
Now this is where a lot of the word magic and double speak comes from within these circles.
They say one thing, but they mean something completely different.
A crash retrieval can mean that you found it in an archaeological dig.
It doesn't mean that you seen the craft fall out of the sky or you saw it on radar and then you immediately went and retrieved it.
A crash retrieval can mean that you dug it up in some ancient site Iraq Afghanistan Syria, any of these places.
It can still be considered a crash retrieval.
So they play a lot of double speak and word magic and uh, things like that within the community.
Well, I mean, that's what Linda Molten How was getting from people she was interviewing about Antarctica.
Is that there's stuff there that is really old, that we don't understand, and that there's people that have been sent on special missions there some of them actually, it's funny they got flown back, or their.
Their research stuff got flown back to Wright Patterson Air Force base where Mccasslin was in charge of and, as we know, that's where they rumored to take um the Roswell crash.
And double speak is a big thing.
It seems to be very common in the witchcraft aspect, or the craft as you call it.
Some people consider the craft something completely different um, but it's very interesting nonetheless to talk about how this individual disappeared completely.
There's been almost no media attention of it.
Like who's to say, you know, here we have the military.
And if anything is going to be the Antichrist, it's going to be AI.
I mean, what people describe what the Antichrist is, they're essentially describing AI.
But when you look through these files, you, the Epstein files, you quickly find out that Epstein was into AI, transhumanism, cybertronics, uploading his consciousness, cryonics.
As you mentioned, Max Moore cryonics is mentioned in the files, cloning, specifically cloning himself.
There's even a conspiracy that him and Bill Gates hatched a plan to create COVID-19 if he ever got arrested as a contingency kill switch so that everyone would have to get mRNA vaccines that would have Epstein's DNA inside it so that he could theoretically live forever.
He's definitely into all this stuff, which really makes you think, Christon.
I mean, have you ever noticed how a lot of these famous people look almost identical to each other?
I mean, come on, everyone should be pretty unique, right?
But they're not.
It's almost like all of the beautiful women in Hollywood, which there isn't very many left because they've taken all the attractive people out of all the movies because it's racist or something.
Look like a dude or look like a, you know, they, they are like, oh, it's, it's what's inside, right?
I identify as a girl or identify as a boy.
Oh, yeah, when you go by a dog and you say you want a girl dog and they give you one which has man genitalia, are you going to say, oh, don't worry, it identifies as a girl?
No, you're going to be, you know, that's how simple it is.
That's how dumb they think people are.
And it's all part of the witchcraft.
I actually heard what was allegedly Epstein's niece talking about, oh, yeah, gender dysphoria, it's real.
It's important.
It's part of the spell.
It's them convincing you that something that will lead them to post-genderism, right?
Again, you mentioned COVID, right?
COVID, their infertility is going to skyrocket.
Because one of the things Gates said is like, what, 80% infertility?
Well, guess what?
If they're starting to get the software where they can live forever and they can reprogram our genes so that we can become younger, and it's worked in almost all the studies on rats, they made their eyes and retinas get younger.
They've restored sight, right?
$3.5 million to restore sight and maybe turn your genetic makeup off where you can get young again.
We're not going to have access to that.
They're now moving into the full depopulation mode.
That's what I see.
Like I always worried when I was doing filling in for Harrison maybe a year ago, I warned everyone.
I said, listen, Donald Trump has done a lot of good things, but the Conservative Party would march right with them into the New World Order as long as it's Donald Trump's New World Order.
Now he wants Greenland.
Now he's talking Venezuela.
Now we got Mexico, potentially Canada.
Boy, that's that hot, wet North American Union Alex Jones warned us about for years and years.
But nobody's bad in the eye because, oh, of course, it's God ordained we need to go into Iran, even though they're burning statues of Baal, which is essentially what these elitists believe in, or at least that they want you to think that they believe in, right?
And so they're the bad ones because they're burning statues of Baal, not the people who are really forcing the hand of our government through blackmail and extortion.
You think Trump really bombed Iran because there was a necessity due, or was it to cover up the Epstein files or because his buddy in Israel said, Well, we got this extortion data, we got the videos on you.
And it's not going to be hard for Americans to literally like revolt and burn down the White House per se, metaphorically, right?
I don't mean January 6th, but like if this stuff comes out and there's videos, they're going to say it's AI.
But if stuff starts coming out, and there are videos, all of a sudden we're going to see the world in chaos.
And I don't think they're ready quite for that yet, but they're leading us down that path with Iran, with getting us ready for this World War III propaganda, with the rapture propaganda, with the idea of the antichrist propaganda, and the full establishment.
But I mean, you can really look at a lot of these celebrities and these people and put them side by side, Christine, and see that they look almost identical.
I mean, Natalie Dyer looks exactly like Timothy Chalamine.
Javier Bardem looks identical to Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
Jessica Chastine looks identical to Bryce Dallas Howard.
Zoe Zeldana looks identical to Jada Pickett.
Okay.
And the list goes on.
Steve Corell, Alice Cooper, you know, which is very interesting when it comes to these DNA and CRISPR technology.
And they want to have people born in an artificial womb.
China has already done this.
They've already are developing the technology to have babies essentially born inside of an artificial AI womb.
But what's interesting is Jamie Foxx said recently that they thought they were going to replace him in 2023 whenever he was hospitalized, which he was probably just joking, but still you can look it up.
Jamie Foxx thought that he was going to be cloned.
Again, it was probably a joke, but they always have a funny way of telling the truth through comedy.
He was also in that movie around that time on Netflix called They Cloned Tyrone, which doesn't really help his case.
And that could have been a PR campaign for the movie release because that's when the theory was popular.
But he literally said that he was laying in the hospital room and he thought, oh my God, these MFers are trying to clone me.
But then he said he saw a white version of him walk through, which is probably, you know, the joke part of this, but it's still really interesting and fascinating.
I mean, we have been working on cloning technology since the early 90s.
I mean, you can look up videos of Bill Clinton talking about the ethics of cloning human beings and if we should be doing it or not.
And then all of a sudden, it just kind of faded into obscurity.
And the whole cloning thing is fascinating because there's plenty of emails with Epstein talking about cloning and how they're struggling, uh, not with the body and bringing it to age, but it's the brain, the cognitive parts.
And they were really interested in removing your soul, like astral projection, right?
Sucking your soul out and putting it in another meat suit.
Isn't that what the Emerald tablets were about?
The fountain of youth, they thought would go underneath into a stash type chamber, go into the water, and come out years younger.
That's where the fountain of youth legends came from, by the way.
Who knows?
Maybe that's what's below the pyramid, which, you know, last time I was hosting the show, I think we had Hugh Newman on talking about what's below the pyramids, and they're not quite sure.
But, you know, it's interesting because cloning is a real thing.
You can switch out your heart or your liver or your kidney with a perfect match.
You'll just have backups laying out there and clone body.
But do they have a soul?
When do they become cognitive?
There's a reason why abortion, you know, after a certain point is illegal because religious people believe it six weeks in that's when the soul starts to come into the body or chooses the body to come into.
I don't know the spiritual specifics of it.
I just, that's above my pay grade.
Let's put it that way.
That's the creator's pay grade.
But at the end of the day, cloning is a real thing.
And we have to believe that that's something that they've already been working on, right?
There's also a lot of other bizarre things in the Epstein files that we can read, such as the Zodiac Club, which we've talked about extensively.
Now we had John Todd talking about the Zodiac productions.
And by the way, the sulfuric acid that he got shipped to him at the same day that the FBI opened up a case and investigation on him.
Not only that, there's no other records of him, you know, ordering sulfuric acid at those large drums with that 655-gallon jumps.
Well, you can put hard drives in there and you can put, well, some people think you can put bodies in there.
And who knows what they were getting rid of there in that Zoro Ranch with the sulfuric acid.
I'm just saying it's interesting that the company that sold him the sulfuric acid was another zodiac size, Gemini.
It's always a zodiac sign with these guys.
They're obsessed with astrology.
Why do you think they're so involved in this word magic and astrology, writer?
Well, really quickly, I want to bring up the clone thing because I've done actually a lot of research on this.
And there's a company called Clone Aid that comes out of Canada.
You can just, you know, type that into Google and see that there is a company in Canada called Clone Aid where they can claim to clone human beings.
And this company was actually founded by Rael from the realian UFO cult in the 80s from contact with supposed extraterrestrial beings called the Elohim.
And they took him on a ship and then showed him all these clones and how to clone people.
And that was the technology that he brought back down to Earth.
And he created this company called Clone Aid.
And they supposedly cloned the first human being in 2001 and they named her Eve.
This was a really big deal back in the day and it kind of got brushed under the rug.
And apparently, the Eve clone was the very first human being to ever be cloned and they sent her to Israel.
So if they can do it with animals, they can definitely do it with humans.
But there's another person that also has claimed that they were cloned at this clone aid facility in Canada, and that's a rapper named Kid Boo.
Now, he claims that he was cloned by this clone aid company.
Now, again, you don't know if this, if he's just making this up for clout and to be a part of this, you know, to make him seem very sensationalized to boost up his career or not.
But apparently, he went on a live TikTok stream and had his clone come in.
Now, there's different ways that you can do this through editing and split screen and stuff, but I think that it is really fascinating.
And the clone aspect, I mean, you can just research back into the 90s with Bill Clinton.
There was an entire subcommittee that was set up on the ethics of cloning all the way back in the 90s.
It's really interesting.
But yes, thanks so much for having me on, Christon.
Really appreciate it.
If people are interested in figuring out more about me and wanting to listen to my show, they can find me on Raised by Giants on YouTube and any and all podcast platforms.
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I have two documentaries on Amazon Prime, Apple TV Plus and Tubi, JFKX, Solving the Crime of the Century, and O'Clockwork Shining Kubrick's Odyssey 3, which is a study of Stanley Kubrick and his films and how the shining is really a giant MKUltra operation.
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I just want to let you know the word cloning comes from Greek and means asexual reproduction, you know, because all the transhumanists, they want post-genderism, post-genderism.
That means we won't reproduce the old-fashioned way.
It's like Demolition Man all over again.
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He's an investigative journalist, and he's one of the very first individuals who really dissected the Jeffrey Epstein situation.
He's interviewed countless individuals involved in the finders situation, trying to get the answers.
And Derek Brose is our guest today.
And welcome to the broadcast, Derek Brose, who has a great series, by the way, Pyramid of Power, great series.
Alex Jones was also one of the first people to talk about Epstein's.
But Derek Brose has done a lot of investigation, great documentary, bringing down Jeffrey Epstein.
Because a lot of people really didn't hear about him or know about him a whole lot until his arrest.
And then that you had all these conspiracies fly.
It went viral on the internet.
And then you had all the trash, which we're finding out a lot about the Epstein files now, that a lot of the controlled resistant aspect of things with Boris Nikolai introducing Epstein to the guy who actually founded the politically incorrect forum, which spawned QAnon.
So we have controlled resistance.
We have a battle for your mind.
We really are getting programmed daily.
And it seems like a lot of people bought it, hook, line, and sinker.
And we're finding out that reality is very different than what we thought.
But you've been researching SRA, satanic ritual abuse.
You've been investigating the Epstein files and Jeffrey Epstein long before the situation has blown up in the media.
Let's start with how you got started and interested in these subjects because it's not a joyful subject.
It takes a real, you know, real heart of gold to really dive in and really pursue this because there's a lot of dangers.
When you talk about child trafficking or big pharma doing corrupt things, those are a couple of things that you can be unalive real easily these days.
And you went deep.
You went looking for individuals involved in the Finders Cult.
You were trying to contact individuals.
And let's start and roll back to your Jeffrey Epstein roots.
What was it that got you first interested in this topic?
So I've been an independent journalist since 2010.
I will give credit in the very beginning to Infowars and the documentaries put out by Alex Jones back in the day, which kind of set me on this path.
And, you know, I've investigated all kinds of things from digital privacy, a number of topics, but I've also always had my ear to human trafficking, first as it related to Houston, Texas, where I'm originally from, which has been known as a hub for human trafficking for years.
So I've been investigating it on that more, I guess you could say, kind of ground level for years and then had started to hear the name of Jeffrey Epstein or hear the tales of this guy who is a billionaire, who has had connections to all kinds of powerful people, politicians, et cetera, and who had been allowed to go free.
And I decided to start following his case and including going to the courtroom for some proceedings.
Eric Bruce is our guest from The Conscious Resistance.
We're diving into the Epstein files and he made a documentary 2018 bringing down Jeffrey Epstein and exposing illegally and culturally everything else involved with Jeffrey Epstein.
And so we were kind of diving into how you found out about him.
And it's interesting, Alex Jones' Infowars is definitely in my root plant as well, especially when we start talking about things like trafficking in the police state, amongst other things.
But here we have it where, you know, you have this guy, this billionaire who's rumored to do trafficking.
And you have definitely a knack for getting a good story and diving into this.
But what does it mean to be bringing down Jeffrey Epstein and the details behind how you got involved in all this?
And what is it that you found when you started looking?
Because he is tied to a lot of powerful people, undoubtedly.
So as I was saying before the break, you know, I started to focus on Epstein's court proceedings.
So the documentary bringing down Jeffrey Epstein, which everybody can find at theconsciousresistance.com, I released it in November 2018, but I had been filming it that whole summer, summer 2018.
And as you saw just a moment ago on screen, that was a shot of me outside of Jeffrey Epstein's house that I recorded that summer.
And in the year leading up to that, as I was saying earlier, I kept hearing about this name, Jeffrey Epstein, and these rumors of this guy who had all these connections and he got off with the sweetheart deal.
And the more I looked into it, I realized, oh, well, Jeffrey Epstein's actually being sued by some of these alleged victims.
And I started to look at the work of Attorney Bradley Edwards and basically just started to go to some of the ongoing civil proceedings.
And I went to one of them in Florida.
Epstein wasn't there.
Of course, he had his attorneys speak for him.
So he would never show up in person.
But I went there and started to just follow it, you know, what was actually going on and paying attention to, okay, this guy is not only connected to all these various people, had relationships with everybody from Trump and Clinton, as everybody knows very well, to celebrities and bankers.
And as we're learning more and more with the release of these documents in these last six months, all the way to, you know, Israeli, former Israeli prime ministers and defense ministers and just cutting all kinds of deals for foreign nations.
We didn't know all of those details back then, but we knew that he was definitely highly connected.
And so I decided I wanted to do this documentary.
And as you're seeing on screen, for those who are watching, these are clips that we gathered.
This is back in, again, 2018.
A lot of the information that's coming out from these Epstein files has been out, including the deposition, the videos from within Jeffrey Epstein's home.
Of course, there's a lot that we don't know and we didn't know then.
But I decided that I wanted to report on this.
And, you know, what I meant by bringing down Jeffrey Epstein or what the hope was with the documentary was that it would raise the profile of this character, get more people to listen to it.
And I'm happy to say that the video received more than half a million views just on YouTube alone when it did come out.
And then, of course, the next year in 2019, when Jeffrey Epstein was actually arrested, it did, you know, increase the viewership and increase people talking about it.
My whole goal was just to try to be another voice that is raising awareness around Epstein because there weren't so many people.
You know, if you can look back to a decade ago, there weren't so many people, Alex Jones probably being one of them, as well as a few other people in independent media, I'm sure like you as well, Christan, who were talking about Epstein and what, not just who he was, but what are the bigger implications for this character, for his connections to royalty, his connections to politicians, to the banking class, to the celebrity class.
And we continue to find out more and more people associated with him who are emailing him.
So my hope was to try to raise awareness about it at a time when, you know, people can really cast their minds back.
Like now it seems so obvious, even people who don't pay much attention to the news, if you said the name Jeffrey Epstein, they would know who he was.
But 10 years ago, that was not the case.
And so my goal with this documentary was to try to just open that door a little bit wider and get more people talking about not only Epstein, but trafficking networks.
And then, of course, with Epstein, the bigger picture, I think, is not only the women and young girls he was trafficking, but also his connections to the scientific realm, to transhumanism, to international banking, to the war machine, the military industrial complex.
You know, Jeffrey Epstein was a trafficker, but also there was much, much bigger picture going on with all of his connections.
I mean, when I was reading the Epstein files that were released about a month ago, there was emails between him and one of the French Rothschilds talking about how they planned with Hitler.
They aid Hitler.
They benefited from Hitler, as well as the Epstein family who are like Vienna bankers and they gave like, you know, Hitler housing and stuff like that.
And that was leaked.
That was put out there.
That had to be a slap in the face because if you or I would have said that two years ago, it would be anti-Semitic, you know, or anti-satanic.
I don't know if I could tell the difference anymore.
But like, you know, you kind of look at it and you kind of see this and you're like, okay, well, there's some truth to that conspiracy.
And you're talking about the scientists.
He was into cloning.
He wanted to seed the world with his genetics, which is bizarre.
Why would you want to do that?
As well as, you know, he was very influential.
I mean, obviously, Donald Trump shows up in the files an incredibly large amount of time.
Bill Clinton does.
There's accusations about both those individuals flying all around so much so that you're starting to see the Clintons starting to say nice things about Donald Trump.
And all of a sudden, Donald Trump decides he's going to attack Iran.
Real quick, I know this is a little segue and we didn't really plan about talking about this, but I know that you just did a debate about this.
What are your thoughts?
Do you think Iran is a result of the Epstein files in part because you wanted to bring attention away from it?
Because there was a lot of people in America that were starting to buy in and really have the shells taken out of their eyes, Derek.
And I'm not saying that Donald Trump couldn't have been a change man, but I think they're starting to see who the emperor really is because he has no clothes.
Yeah, you know, I hesitate to, I think there's this common trope in our conspiracy research community where people always say one thing is a distraction from another, which obviously there are efforts to distract the public and the masses.
And I do think that exists.
But I also think that we're all capable of intelligent enough to hold more than one topic in our mind at a time.
So Epstein hasn't gone anywhere.
If Trump or his people behind him, if the Zionists are trying to distract from Epstein by launching a war with Iran, I don't think it's going to work.
Obviously, Iran is a bigger picture in itself, and it's taking up a lot of the space right now.
And I think rightfully so.
You mentioned my debate.
I did debate author Naomi Wolf, who many people were very supportive of during the COVID years for her talking about the Pfizer papers and the injections and everything like that.
Unfortunately, many people who consider themselves MAGA have now gone towards what some of us would say MIGA, make Israel great again, and just supporting these sort of unconstitutional, illegal actions by the Trump administration.
And in that debate, I was just making the point that this is just a continuation of the policies we saw under Bush, Obama, Biden, and even under Trump's first term, which is to launch more interventions, if you want to be kind with the word, instead of calling it a war, to launch more wars and violence and aggression at other countries without congressional approval, without constitutional approval, not to mention really on propaganda telling us since the last for the last 30 years,
as Netanyahu has done, that Iran is weeks away from finishing their nuclear program and sending, unfortunately, more Americans to die in these wars.
And so I do think that this is a big picture.
And I even want to just float one idea since you brought the topic up that I think that people need to remember that in the early 2020 COVID days, Iran was one of the first places we were told that the COVID, you know, alleged pandemic was spreading quickly.
And Iran also did have lockdowns.
They also had vaccine mandates.
They also had many of the policies that many of us were fighting against.
And there are folks more and more starting to look at and say, okay, well, Iran and Israel are fighting with the U.S.
And it seems like one narrative is, well, Israel and the U.S. are bad guys fighting Iran.
Not to say Iran's good guys, but there's that kind of, there's that one perspective.
And there's also a larger perspective that many of us, I think, are starting to wonder about.
And that is, you know, can we really trust this narrative that the U.S. is fighting against Russia and China and countries like Iran, and that these represent two different poles of the so-called new world order?
There's a lot of people who believe that the BRICS nations represent this multipolar order.
And there's some people who I think mistakenly in the independent alternative media buy into this narrative that Russia and China are going to be the bastions of freedom and we should support them instead of the evil U.S.
And I think these are all sort of false binaries and false dichotomies.
Maybe there is a potential that the reality is all of these countries with central banks, including Iran.
People think Iran doesn't have a central bank.
They do have one.
That maybe all these countries already have been controlled for generations.
As we know, the rise of China and the rise of Russia and the Russian Revolution going back 100 years ago was financed by the same Wall Street bankers that we know are behind the United States and that, you know, the Rothschilds that helped start Israel.
What if all of these countries are already being controlled by the same people and some of these efforts, including the war and raising gas prices and messing with the energy sector by bombing gas and oil fields, is all part of a sort of another COVID-like plan to take us towards the great reset, to take us towards Agenda 2030.
I mean, I think that's something we need to consider more and more that maybe they've already got control of all sides of the narrative and it's all about pushing us closer and closer to that direction of controlling cash with digital currencies, controlling the flow of people driving, whether you have the ability to travel, all this sort of stuff.
I think that we do need to maybe take a step back and ask if what we're being shown on screen, as usual, we should question everything and remain vigilant.
Are these narratives being shown to us, even the narrative that many of us believe that, hey, the U.S. and Israel shouldn't have done this?
And, you know, Iran is being attacked and they're just defending themselves.
But maybe in a bigger picture, the people really running the show are already in control of these nations and they're taking us towards the direction they've wanted to go the whole time.
And that's what I was talking about from the beginning of the program with the propaganda and Ghale Maxwell running big Reddit forums.
And then it turned out Nicolas was a Boris Nikolai, who was Bill Gates' right-hand man, introduced Epstein to the guy who ended up founding the forum in which QA Nan was then.
It was just like, it's all controlled, relisted, controlled, resistant.
It's a PSYOP.
We're all being programmed.
We're all programmable individuals.
And one thing that you really talk about is breaking the programming, Derek.
I know when we spoke together in Wisconsin many years ago, I talked a lot about the magic behind the words, but the things you're saying right now are true.
I went to my grocery store.
We have a really great grocery store in Wisconsin called Woodman's, right?
The guy that owns it is a liberal, but that doesn't matter, right?
They're open 24 hours, but at 10 p.m., even though they have the machines, right?
The robot machines where you can put the cash in.
They don't want me to do the cash.
They said, oh, we can't take cash.
I'm like, well, can you open up a, you know, a register for me?
And they're like, no, there's just no cash after 10 p.m.
And I'm like, well, what do you mean?
The American dollar isn't good here.
You got to use a credit card at the end of the day.
I don't understand the thought process.
Then I heard just recently that Uber is all in on getting these driverless cars.
Well, that's great.
This way driverless car could take you right to the police station if you have a bench warrant or something.
You know, that's where we're going.
The cashless society, because then they can control everything.
It's very dangerous when we talk about central banking digital currency and we start diving into this because they can turn it on and off.
Maybe you own the government tax money or money in general, and then you can't buy a, you know, a soda pop for yourself because the fact is they won't let you because of the because of the central banking digital currency is going to be able to pump and dump the cryptocurrency market.
It's going to be able to do so much overall things.
And at the end of the day, it's really everything we should be fearing.
And the idea that the cryptocurrency was made to get away from centralized currency and here they're trying to consolidate it all.
And of course, we find out also that Epstein had his hands in starting Coinbase and potentially in starting Bitcoin.
We're finding all this stuff in the Epstein files.
You know, it's starting to all come together.
Like, you're right.
It's what do they want us to think?
It was like when I was talking about Tom DeLong, did they want him to actually believe that there's UFO record records at Wright Patterson Air Force Base?
And that's why they went along with that and talked to him about it and exploring that way.
It's a way to get money for the industry.
Who knows?
Who knows what William Castlin was talking to him about and what he all told him.
All I know is William Castland is missing now, which is interesting of itself.
But back on track, Epstein was obsessed with cloning.
He was obsessed with all these things.
And we just covered a whole bunch of them, especially cryptocurrency.
It's crazy to me to think that he had his hand in so many cookie jars, but that's what we're seeing.
You're right.
He is interested in scientists, but not only that, big tech.
I mean, so the crypto piece, I think, is important because as you know, Christon, I was somebody who started to investigate Bitcoin in 2011, 2012, and even got paid in Bitcoin for a few years back in 2013 when I used to work for journalism Ben Swan.
And for many of us coming out of the Ron Paul movement, coming out of the end the Fed movement, really trying to find solutions and really looking for how do we, if we can't, you know, end the Fed through the legal system, because nobody was going to introduce Ron Paul's end the Fed bills, and it didn't seem like that's a possibility.
It still doesn't seem like it's a possibility, then what do we actually do?
And for many of us, it seemed like, okay, maybe the answer is to stop using their system as much as possible.
Maybe the answer is to exit from those systems, stop using the Federal Reserve Note and support local alternative currencies, whether that's paper currencies or something else.
And then Bitcoin comes on the scene.
And there were many people who had a very freedom-minded, almost anarchist mindset at the beginning of that community.
And there were clearly, as we see now, people who were willing to take money from Jeffrey Epstein.
This is, of course, after Epstein had already been arrested and got his sweetheart deal.
But there were many people who maybe just said, Okay, here's a rich guy, and I need money for funding for development, so I'll take the money.
But there was also many people who seemed to not care, and just maybe even from the beginning were trying to hijack Bitcoin.
I want to encourage people to check out a book called Hijacking Bitcoin by Roger Veer, who was one of the people involved early on in the Bitcoin community, and also one of the people who said, who in his book details how the connections from not only the Epstein crowd, but the connections from the Bilderberg group and other shady organizations that very quickly got their teeth into Bitcoin.
You know, some people think it was a scam from the beginning, an NSA project.
I don't know if the evidence is as strong for that as some people might believe, but clearly we know now it was definitely hijacked, definitely misdirected, so that it could just become a digital gold, an investment, a stock.
You know, most people who are aware of Bitcoin, they think about it like that.
Okay, I could put some money in there and maybe the number is going to go up and I'm going to get rich.
They don't think of it as an alternative to using the dollar, a way to pay my bills, a way to transact value that isn't taxable, that isn't, you know, under the eyes of the government.
That was the original vision.
And there are still many other cryptocurrencies that exist like Monero and Zeno and others who have that original vision and who try to kind of maintain that privacy, anonymity, this sort of F you to the government kind of mentality.
But that is not what Bitcoin is now.
And so it's clear as day that whatever potential Bitcoin had, it was hijacked, it was misdirected, it was taken over and steered in a direction that would be easier to manage and easier to control.
And now the masses of people who go to Bitcoin conferences, and I've been to some of them to do reporting, even the last couple of years when Trump went to the Bitcoin Nashville conference and gave a speech there, I was there.
Most of those people have no idea or no thought in their mind as Bitcoin as a way to avoid government or to avoid taxation or to avoid banks in general.
They just think of it as just another stock to invest in.
And I think that was definitely a result of the Epstein Network and their ilk trying to take a project that had potential at least, right?
And I know that some people are completely just against all forms of digital currency and I understand why so.
But I also think that there was that potential and that potential may still exist with other projects.
Like, for example, I mentioned Monero.
There's a reason why the U.S. government is trying, has a bounty out on Monero and trying to crack Monero's encryption as well as some of these other projects, because they don't want people to have privacy anonymity, whether it's with cash or whether it's in digital means.
They want to make sure they can track and trace everything we do, where we spend it.
And then, of course, as we saw during COVID, if you have the wrong opinions or the wrong views, they want to be able to turn you off and control the on-ramps and off-ramps of the financial institutions.
And so that I think we can definitely point a finger at the Epstein Network for having played a role in that.
And it's something that I'm watching closely because even as we're having this conversation, I just took a break from a new article I'm writing.
I write articles for The Last American Vagabond, and I'm working on a new report right now about this banking convention that's happening right now here in Mexico, where I now live, where the heads of the Bank of International Settlements, the heads of BlackRock, Mexico, Justin Trudeau,
all these shady characters are here in Mexico right now in Cancun, discussing the future of digital payments and how they can get a place like Mexico where 89% of the country uses cash, how they can get those 89% of people to abandon cash and to join digital platforms like CBDCs and stablecoins that they can track and trace.
So this is an ongoing issue.
And it definitely is connected to the same network, the same cabal of people that were part of the Epstein activities.
Well, it starts with turning off the grocery stores like I found at Woodman's here in Wisconsin.
You know, if you can't get groceries and it requires you to get a different form of currency, they're going to push everyone into some kind of digital ID.
Remember, it was ID 2020, which was Bill Gates' goal to give everyone an idea, whether it's digital or physical, so that they can be represented online.
Because, you know, eventually this is going to all swoop into the interweb, right?
The internet of things, where you're going to be required to have an idea just to get online, because then they can just cancel your account completely.
And you'll have no access to the internet if you don't agree with whatever the next cool thing is.
We saw that with the whole like convoy across Canada during COVID.
Remember when they were raising money?
Was it a GoFundMe?
Got millions of dollars and they just turned it off.
Whatever happened to that money, I think the government confiscated it, you know.
And it turns out that Bitcoin is just being used for shady stuff Epstein was doing.
There's in the Epstein files, by the way, to be on part, there is a allegation that was turned into the feds and the feds followed up on it that a girl claimed that Epstein could track what she was doing by using Bitcoin.
That's how he would spy on her, she alleged, and is one of the victims that accused Epstein of wrongdoing.
And I'm like, well, how could you use Bitcoin to track what you do, what you shop, what you buy if it's supposed to be anonymous?
And the truth is, we're finding out that it's really just a big honeypot at the end of the day, or at least that's what it became.
We're going to be diving into the Finders Cult and his documentary series called Pyramid of Power.
It is binge-worthy.
If you've not checked out Pyramid of Power, he has 17 now episodes.
He's done a real good job on these episodes.
And he dives in, he names the players, he gives the data, and he literally breaks down the different aspects of pyramids of power, whether it's the food industry, whether it's the banking industry, whether it's the Jeffrey Epstein-style networks.
Because let's be honest, when a drug dealer gets busted, people just don't stop buying marijuana or cocaine.
They go to the next drug dealer.
Well, now we're seeing P. Diddy.
We're learning about Hollywood.
We're learning about the debauchery in the music industry that we've been warned about for 50 years.
We're learning about the ritualistic magic of having to let you know what they're going to do so you accept it before it happens.
That being said, we'll be back.
Check out Derek Brose and the Conscious Resistance.
You're listening to the war room.
I'm Criston T. Harris, filling in for the noble Harrison Smith.
For those who are just tuning in, Derek Brose is our guest from the Conscious Resistance.
And he is one of the original people who blew the lid on the Finder's cult really after it was buried for so many years.
People forgot about it.
And I started getting interested in it again after interviewing multiple MK Ultra survivors and learning about satanic ritual abuse, amongst other things.
He also has a very interesting, binge-worthy series called Pyramid of Power.
And let's talk a little bit.
For the listeners out there who have never heard of the Finders cult, what is the Finders Cult?
And how did you get interested in this subject?
Because it all kind of ties together.
Derek Brose, we were just talking a little bit about the satanic ritual abuse, how we're being conditioned and on a global scale, not just like we talk a lot about MK Ultra, right?
And the Finders cult and the organizations behind what was going on way back in the 60s and 70s.
And we can go into satanic ritual abuse, MK Ultra, and the government secretive programs that went on until 1984 and how they really impacted the culture we live in.
Because I don't think these programs really ended.
I think that when you think, when you read these Epstein files, and they're trying to identify these girls, he said younger the better.
Well, that's because when you get them young, you can program them young.
Let's dive into the Finders cult in your documentary.
What really essentially got you involved?
Because almost nobody was covering this anymore.
People had forgotten about the Finders.
And what I found interesting that when you were releasing this documentary, all of a sudden the feds were starting to drop a bunch of information on the Finders cult.
And I think it's your hard work that really forced the hand and go, oh, this is still there.
So, I mean, it pretty much went right off the back of bringing down Jeffrey Epstein.
When I finished that documentary, as I mentioned, I was in Florida and I went to Jeffrey Epstein's house outside to film the opening scene of my documentary.
And similar to Epstein, I had heard for years in various conspiracy research circles about this group called the Finders, the Finders Cult, something to do with some men and some children.
It just, I heard whispers about it, but I never looked closely at it.
And I decided that I wanted to make it the focus of my next documentary series.
And I learned that one of the former members of the Finders, his name's Robert Terrell, that he actually lived in Florida and near Tallahassee as well.
And so I decided to stop there and interview him.
And then I went home from that trip and I just dove even deeper into the Finders.
And the more and more I learned, the more obvious it was to me that this was a group that was involved in child trafficking and a group that had connections to the CIA and to the Defense Intelligence Agency, and that it was covered up by the CIA.
And I don't say that lightly because I know a lot of people throw around claims, but all of this is in documents.
And that's what makes, I think, the Finders case even more disturbing is that it's a documented case.
It's all there.
So the basic story, though, is that in February 1987, two well-dressed men were seen at a park in Tallahassee with six children who were described as disheveled, who had bug bites and who looked like they hadn't been fed and were dirty and all this sort of things.
And some anonymous caller thought it was mysterious and decided to call the police.
The police show up.
They end up arresting the two men.
And that basically sets off this national manhunt where the Tallahassee police, they arrest the men, they take the six children into custody.
It starts making local news and then international news.
Find reports from the Associated Press from Washington Post, New York Times, talking about this in February 1987.
And they start to investigate who are these men, why are these children traveling with them?
The men claim that they were taking the children to a school for gifted children in Mexico.
And in the van, as you can see on screen, the men had computers.
Now, computers were around in 1987, of course, but not to the extent that these men seem to have.
They essentially seem to be operating with early Ethernet cables and landlines.
And when the arrest in Tallahassee happened, that sets off an international manhunt, really, because the police in DC, the Washington, D.C. Metro Police, they called the police in Tallahassee and said, Hey, we think that this case is related to a cult that we've been investigating called the Finders Cult.
This group was based in D.C., they had farms in Virginia, they had an apartment home in D.C., they had numerous different properties, they had a warehouse.
And so, once the Tallahassee arrest is made, the Washington Metro Police decide, you know what, we're going to go ahead, we're going to get a warrant, we're going to raid their warehouses, we're going to raid their apartments and everything.
And this is where things get really creepy and really, you know, disturbing.
The DC Metro Police decided to raid the warehouses, and the U.S. Customs Agency got involved as well because there was some suspicion that there had been international trafficking or cross-border trafficking.
So customs got involved.
So you had customs agent as well as police officers from the Washington Metro Police raiding the Finders warehouse.
And you can find pictures, which we include in my documentary, of them walking out of the warehouse with bags of evidence.
And basically, one of the customs agent, his name is Ramon Martinez.
He said that when he went into there and helped them with the raid of the Finders warehouse, that there were pictures of naked children, there were instructions on purchasing children from China, that there was dictionaries on China, like how to speak Chinese.
There was, as I said, technology that was not very common throughout the warehouse.
They had multiple passports.
There seemed to be an area where there were photographs being taken.
All kinds of weird stuff was going down.
And again, the Virginia State Police raided the Finders' homes, the Finders' farms based in Virginia.
And this was after there was claims that neighbors had seen children in cages and had seen children taken away and heard them crying.
And so for a couple of weeks, this is making national and international news.
And of course, the headlines, they say it's a satanic cult.
They say all kinds of different things.
Now, I will say, from my perspective, I think that the claims of satanic cult are the least credible in this specific situation.
Absolutely, I do believe.
And I've investigated other cases like the Utah ritual abuse scandal that's been happening for years with a man named David Hamblin, where there definitely seems to be clear evidence of the people doing the abuse at least believing that they're doing so for Satan or for Lucifer, things like that.
But with the Finders case, it seems to be like those are, in my view, some of the weaker claims.
There is some weird things, as you can see on screen, there were pictures of the children cutting off the heads of a goat, dismembering goats where the adults were in white robes.
Now, according to the Finders members that I talked to, they said that this was just them showing children how to take care of their own, you know, their own diet, how to kill their own meat and process it and things like that.
Because the Finders themselves claimed to just be an eccentric group of former hippies who were living an alternative lifestyle and kind of like early homeschooling is sort of what they talked about.
They said, you know, they would let the children roam free.
They had their mom, but they also were taken care of by the group.
And, you know, the women kind of would move between the men.
Things that some people would say are weird, but not illegal.
That is their claim that they were just an eccentric group of people.
And that the pictures of the children beheading the goats and the children holding the head of the goat, that that was just, you know, them teaching them how to learn some primitive life skills, you could say.
Now, depending on whether you believe that or not, it's up to you.
But other than that, the only other claims or potential evidence of them being satanic was that there was a fire pit found with a circle of stones.
I don't think that's very strong.
But what is strong and is without a doubt is that in the initial police report, the Tallahassee Police Report, which we're showing on screen right there, that original medical examiner said that he found signs of sexual abuse of two of the children.
One of them was a boy, one of them was a girl.
He said that the girl had shown signs of vaginal penetration.
This is a six-year-old girl, seven-year-old boy, and that the boy had loss of, quote, anal sphincter control, which they believe was a sign of sodomy.
That was the first initial report from the medical examiner.
And then within 48 hours, for whatever reason, they got another medical examiner to examine the children.
And the second medical examiner claimed, whoops, the first one just made a mistake, made some things up.
None of that stuff is true.
Forget those initial claims.
That's all hogwash.
It's all garbage.
And within a couple of weeks, the entire case goes from headlines of satanic child trafficking cults with connections to the CIA to, sorry, we made a mistake.
There's nothing to see here.
And that was essentially, that's the official version of the finders.
If you were to go to Vice News or look up Wikipedia, it would tell you this, what I just shared with you, that in the end, the men were let go.
But thankfully, Ramon Martinez, the customs agent, he never let go of this story.
He continued to try to raise awareness.
And then in 1993, there were some articles about it.
There was actually a couple of representatives.
I think his name was Charlie Rose and another gentleman, I can't remember his name.
These two officials that were listening to Ramon Martinez and said, hey, we believe there was a cover-up of this finder's case.
And so in 1993, the Department of Justice, again, this is making mainstream news.
The Department of Justice actually said, we're going to investigate the case to see if there was a cover-up by the CIA or any other intelligence agency.
Well, as typical, they did their own investigation.
They investigated themselves and they said nothing to see here.
And that was the official end of the Finder story: that they said, okay, well, we looked into it, nothing to see here.
But as you mentioned, Christine, I continued to look into this.
I actually tracked down former members of the Finders, Robert Toreau.
I actually tracked down Ramon Martinez, the customs agent, who said that there was a cover-up going on.
And he specifically said that when he went back to the Metro Police Department to try to view the evidence that they had collected in the warehouse, that he was told that it had become a CIA matter and that had been taken over.
And then there was another officer within the Metro Police.
His name was Sergeant John Stitcher, as well as Sergeant or Scott Hunt is another officer.
Both of them claimed that there was a cover-up going on.
Sergeant John Stitcher died fairly young, allegedly of a heart attack.
Scott Hunt, I have not been able to find him.
But both of those men claimed that there was a cover-up going on in the Tallahassee Police Department and in the Metro Police Department.
And so when I finally was able to find Ramon Martinez and I contacted him, as you can see, those are my emails with him right there.
He initially agreed to talk to me.
He said, no camera, no recordings, because he said that he had journalists come interview him over the years and that nothing had come over, nothing had come of it.
And so he wasn't very optimistic about it, but he did agree to talk with me.
And then, unfortunately, within 24 hours of him agreeing to talk to me, he basically emailed back and said, never mind, I'm not going to be used as a pawn in somebody's game.
I don't know what exactly he thought was going on, but he basically said, never mind, I'm not going to speak to you.
I found out where he lived today in current time as a retired agent.
I found out that he teaches Tai Chi at a retirement center.
And I went on a little stakeout.
I flew across the country to go try to meet with him.
I met him in person.
Unfortunately, whenever I went up to him and said, hey, Mr. Martinez, this is Derek Brose.
I'm the journalist you talked to.
He said, F you, get away from me.
I don't want to have anything to do with you.
And he has since this time refused to talk to me.
He's spoken to a few other investigator friends of mine, but he refuses to come out publicly and on the record.
But what he did tell me was he said, and I quote, I have no hope that anybody I know who was involved in this will ever be held accountable.
So he still stands by his story that there was a cover-up with the Finders case.
And as you can see on screen, for those who are watching, that is Robert Terrell.
He was the Finders' right-hand man.
He literally said that he shared a toothbrush for 25 years with the founder of the Finders.
The founder of the Finders was a man named Marion Petty.
Marion Petty, his son, used to work for the CIA's Air America.
His wife worked for the CIA, and he comes out of naval intelligence.
And he claimed that he used to be a chauffeur for all of the biggest World War II generals and all this sort of stuff.
But he claimed that he retired and then later on went and founded the Finders and that there's no connection.
But the more you look into the Finders, you just keep finding these different intelligence connections.
You keep finding evidence of a cover-up.
And, you know, as you said, Christon, I released this documentary in 2019.
By October 2019, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, the FBI just decides to start releasing new Finders files.
And they've done four documents.
If you go to the FBI's Vault website and you search the Finders, you can find those four document dumps.
I've also done deep dives on all of them at theconsciousresistance.com.
And as part of my Pyramid Power documentary series, I sort of did an addendum, a little bit of an update on it.
Because when I first released the series, as I said, I didn't know everything I know now.
The series came out.
It went fairly viral.
Then the FBI starts releasing new files.
And then I actually interviewed Robert Terrell, again, the right-hand man of the Founders Finder, who was coming from intelligence.
He thought that I, you know, am just a crazy conspiracy theorist and there's something wrong with you.
I don't know why you're looking for all these theories.
But I confronted him on the fact that the medical examiner report says there was abuse by children.
I confronted him on the fact that Ramon Martinez said that it was covered up by the CIA.
And I also confronted him on the fact that there is a report that we have in these document dumps.
It's redacted who wrote it, but it clearly came from the Washington Metro Police.
And it's a final summary.
And whoever wrote this final summary clearly says that it is their belief that the Finders were connected to the CIA and that according to their master plan, which has never been released publicly, the Finders were not going to disband.
Instead, they would scatter to the winds.
They would rename themselves and kind of reorganize.
And so it is my belief that the Finders cult, which again, they, you know, may have not, may or may not have referred to themselves as that.
That's just the name they became known for because they collected Finders fees.
They claimed that they were just eccentric people, former journalists, investigators who were good at finding information, but they claim they had nothing to do with trafficking, nothing to do with satanic abuse, nothing to do with intelligence agencies.
I think there's clear evidence that there was connections there.
But the Finders cult themselves, they still dismiss that all of this is just conspiracy theory.
But when I confronted Robert Terrell with this and I showed him the report and I said, well, why does this police document say you guys had connections to the intelligence agency?
Why does this medical examiner report say there was abuse of the children?
He just dismissed it all.
I think it was part of the cover-up.
He specifically said, well, that was the first report.
But the second report found that there was no child abuse.
He's like, oh, that guy, that guy lost his job because he was not credible and this and that.
Because basically, after Ramon Martinez refused to shut up in 1987 and 1993, they destroyed his career.
They ran him out of the customs agency.
He was basically blackballed.
One of the people I spoke to said that he was known for sticking his noses in places that didn't belong.
So it's like the story was already created for the finders to then say, oh, that medical examiner report's fake.
Oh, that guy, he has no credibility.
This is all just conspiracy theorists online.
But as I said, it is one of the most heavily documented and police documents and government documents cases where we can clearly see the signs of intelligence.
And there's so much more that I could go into.
I do encourage people to check out my full documentary.
It's called Who Will Find with the Finders Hide.
You can find it at theconsciousresistance.com if you just go to my documentaries tab.
And then, of course, in chapter 15 of the Pyramid of Power, I do have sort of a second part.
That's the one right there, the Who Will Find with the Finders Hide addendum.
That's sort of a second part where I do go and interview Robert Terrell again.
I encourage you to look into those things and go follow all of my reports.
I have a whole section on my website that really goes much, much deeper than we have time for today.
You know, it's funny you mentioned New Mexico because isn't that where the Zorro Ranch was?
And I know that Jeffrey Epstein bought the Zoro Ranch from Bruce King in 1993.
Those dates are very interesting to me that the 1993 was like the staple of the blow, like the lid being blown off of the Finders cult entirely, and that they could no longer maybe run the organization.
And all of a sudden, these kids that were going to go to this camp for sensational and great, you know, children who are the leaders of the future, per se, because that's what Epstein's camp was in Zoro Ranch.
They fly into kids there, right?
So who knows?
I'm not saying that they're linked.
I'm just saying what kind of coincidence is it that the year that everything was getting snuffed out, Bruce King, former governor of New Mexico, sold the ranch to Jeffrey Epstein, and it was used for exactly what the Finders or what the reports were saying, you know, for children to be educated per se.
We don't know entirely what went on in Zorro's Ranch, but I know that as a person that's at the Glene Maxwell trial, a lot of the abuse and the conditioning and I still call it ritual abuse.
Maybe it's not satanic ritual abuse, but the children being beat up, they're having bug bites, looking malnourished.
It's all ritual abuse.
It might not be Satan at the head, but at the end, it's evil.
It's what they're doing to program them like MK Ultra.
Yeah, two more points I want to make before we go to this break here about the Finders because just another little tidbit that some people might find interesting, because we have the address of the Finders warehouse in DC, and it is within minutes of where Comet Ping Pong was at, just for anybody who thinks that that matters or is interesting.
And we know that there's tunnel systems through DC and stuff like that.
So there's definitely, I think, a lot of threads that haven't been pulled there.
One other one I'll mention real briefly as it relates to the Epstein files, because I've been for years wondering if there is some direct connection between what was the Finders and Marion Petty and then to what the Epstein network that we know, because we know Epstein was active in the 90s.
And with the recent release of the Finder of the Epstein documents, I started searching the Finders and Marion Petty and sort of key terms to try to see if there was any connection.
And I recently covered this on my website, but I'll just share it here briefly.
There's a gentleman named Jeffrey Martin who is kind of connected to this human potential movement.
He was connected to Deepak Chopra and others like that, you know, in this sort of spiritual new age type space.
And Jeffrey Martin was emailing Jeffrey Epstein.
And Jeffrey Martin runs this program that he calls the Finders that he says it will help seekers find.
And it doesn't, there's no direct connection to the Finders cult as far as we know.
But when I searched the Finders and I found his emails, I started digging further into this gentleman.
And he was definitely emailing Jeffrey Epstein.
They were setting up meetings to each other.
Again, he was in group emails with Deepak Chopra and others.
And they were going, him and Epstein clearly were trying to meet up to discuss something and going back and forth.
And for whatever reason, this gentleman, Jeffrey Martin, chose to call his sort of leadership program the Finders.
And if you look up just those terms, the Finders and Jeffrey Martin, you'll see who he is.
I'd never heard of him before.
This is a thread that I'm still pulling on.
And I'll share this for the first time.
I've actually been emailed by a former associate of him since I put out that video who has started to give me some more background information.
And he personally said that he has always had suspicions of Jeffrey Martin.
Again, I'm not accusing Jeffrey Martin of anything, there's nothing proven at the moment, but he is one of these people.
Like many people, because he's not a celebrity, nobody really knows who he is.
So, as far as I've seen, he hasn't put out a public statement about, hey, this was my relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
He's sort of just staying below the radar because nobody is really aware of who he was, but he definitely ran in these circles of the kind of spiritual new age type people.
And for weeks, if months, he was emailing Jeffrey Epstein.
Jeffrey Epstein was on the Finders email list that he ran, and they were clearly talking about meeting up.
There's definitely several things in the emails that are redacted.
So we don't have the full details on that.
And I don't know if it is a direct connection to the old original Finders cult or just some coincidence that he chose to use that name, but it's a thread that I'm pulling on for sure.
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And I got it from high-level White House sources, and I confirmed with others that were there that they said we don't want accomplices.
This wasn't Trump.
I mean, people at the White House heard this when they were having DOJ meetings.
We're going with the lone gunman.
We're not really going after the accomplices because Trump had said, I want the Trantifa.
I want the six trannies that said Charlie will be dead tomorrow.
I want them SWAT teamed.
I want them arrested.
And the word went out: no, we're not doing what the big guy wants, as usual.
We're going with this story and that.
And then two days after I came out with that, Kash Patel comes out and says, Oh, no, we're looking at all the angles and we're looking at multiple shooters.
Two people say they killed him and said we did it as a diversion for the shooter.
Yeah, there's your conspiracy right there.
And it's crickets on that.
Absolute, total, and complete crickets.
So, yeah, it doesn't look like a cover-up.
It is a cover-up, a cover-up of what?
I'm not exactly sure.
And maybe it was Netanyahu.
If we find out, we'll report it.
I had White House sources saying Kash Patel had a meeting and said, don't look at domestic help, which we knew he had.
They were all bragging about he'll be dead tomorrow.
And they said, see, we told you.
And foreign connections.
So we have been looking at this from the very beginning.
We broke that Patel did that.
And a month after I broke that, it came out mainstream news.
And Patel admitted it, yeah, I don't want Tulsi Garrett involved.
I don't want to look at her intelligence.
And now you have all these CIA people and Delta Force and FBI coming out blowing the whistle that they believe there was domestic help and all this.
So I believe there's bad actors here.
I believe we're being lied to.
In fact, I know we are.
I told you back in September when I was told by an individual in the cabinet meeting in the White House, not a public cabinet meeting, but a cabinet meeting, a real cabinet meeting, not a press event.
That Kash Patel went in there and screamed at Tulsi Gabbard, and the vice president was there and said, You're trying to investigate foreign involvement in Charlie Kirk's killing and domestic.
We're not looking at any of it.
This is a week and a half after Charlie Kirk's murder.
Meanwhile, Kash Patel, when I broke all this, remember I broke it on the 26th, 25th of September, kind of said, Oh, we're looking at everything.
Don't worry.
But now it's been released by the Patriots because I guess they thought giving it to me would get it out there, but sure, the audience heard it, but whatever.
But I'm sorry, it's not everybody wants to believe this now, but the FBI.
But I was told two days before Patel came out, said, We're looking at everything, all the angles, helpers, hand signs.
I was told from inside the White House, no, they're going with lone gunmen.
They're not even looking at the Trante Trannifa saying he'll be dead tomorrow.
So I was told by very incredible people there's a cover-up.
And I don't say that with pleasure.
You know, well, let me tell you this piece of intel.
I got a call Thursday and I didn't sit on it.
I just was mulling it till Saturday.
And then I made some other calls to another well-known individual and they said the same thing.
They were told, no, they're going with lone gunmen and they're shutting down everything and not even looking into the Tranifa that said he'd be dead the next day.
So they're not even going after them because they want this story.
Why would you do that if you weren't covering up?
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Throughout Los Angeles, especially during protests, there are hundreds of petition circulators and activists canvassing on the street to gather thousands of signatures for various petitions with the objective of getting them onto the voting ballot.
It says Populous Inc. is a branch of CO Management Solutions, a campaign consulting firm dedicated to helping important issues make it to the ballot.
These political consulting firms receive multi-million dollar contracts from big businesses such as Uber or Delta Airlines to employ petition circulators and pay them to gather signatures on specific petitions that would benefit their business.
These petition circulators are paid per signature and they're paid surprisingly well.
And how much money would you make on a grand a day?
That's a lot of money.
Not only did we find these petitions being pushed on protesters outside City Hall, but we also found them being promoted to the homeless in the depths of Skid Row.
so my team and I dressed up as homeless people and went undercover.
Before heading out there, I had to get in character.
We walked a few blocks through Skid Row, past the intersection of San Pedro and 6th Street, and almost immediately, to our surprise, we found petitioners who were actually offering homeless people money in exchange for signatures on the ballot petitions.
This is a signal to all nearby homeless people that he is a source of the money.
Paying citizens to sign petitions is a violation of California Elections Code 18603, which states: Every person who offers or gives money or other valuable consideration to another in exchange for his or her signature on a state, county, municipal, or district initiative, referendum, or recall petition is guilty of a misdemeanor.
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What?
I just need one signature right here and right here.
Our undercover journalists continued to engage with this group in Skid Row and found the majority of homeless people who were being paid to sign, as you might expect, didn't even know what it was they were signing.
The petitioner, Brenda Brown, then hands cash money to the homeless person, not only for signing the California ballot initiative, but also as payment for them to register to vote.
That is a federal felony.
52 USC 10307.
Whoever knowingly or willfully pays or offers to pay or accepts payment for registration to vote shall be fined not more than $10,000 and imprisoned not more than five years.
You can pay workers to circulate petitions, but you cannot give someone cash money to make them register to vote.
You can actually see in the hands of the fraudster a copy of the California voter registration card.
And this didn't just happen once.
It happened over and over and over and over again.
We witnessed it 28 times on video.
We spoke to a nearby homeless person who claims the petitioners are scheming and seems to be very aware that they're taking advantage of the homeless population's desperation.
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They scheme, man, I don't like it.
See, I don't care about turning ass thing because I don't like this.
One of our journalists must have asked one too many questions because eventually the petitioner threatened to quote move him down the street and proceeded to follow, threatening to quote beat his ass.
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I don't have a California address.
Buy somebody one of your homies and something like I want to come break up to us.
If I bring them to you, then I can get a cigarette too, though.
Previously, in 2019, nine individuals were prosecuted by the Los Angeles DA for this exact crime.
They were exchanging cigarettes and cash for petition signatures, but none of it was on video, and it wasn't captured to this extent.
There were 14 counts, primarily focused around payment for signatures, a violation of that California Elections Code 18603, claiming they had, quote, offered or gave money or other valuable consideration to another in exchange for his or her signature.
So we found it particularly ironic that two police officers sitting nearby weren't even aware that this was a state or federal crime.
Instead, Officer Meravilla of the LAPD dismissed it as a quote civil lawsuit.
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Do you know a lot of these people here that are making homeless sign petitions and paying cash for it?
I haven't seen them.
I mean, I've seen one.
They signed some type of paperwork, but I didn't know what they were doing.
And I saw them at that right here at the light over here in the back.
Yeah.
But I didn't know what it was for.
Like, maybe like two weeks ago, I saw them signing for something, but I didn't know if they were getting like money and exchanges.
Yeah, I think they're getting like two, three dollars from what I observe.
Is that legal?
I mean, if it's non-profit, I mean they're signing it.
It's a consensual.
It's more of a civil thing.
You know, like they're not telling them no, and maybe if they promise them something and they don't get it, it would be like a silvo lawsuit kind of thing.
The law enforcement officers sitting nearby on Skid Row every single day don't know the California laws and plead ignorance.
It begs the question: what are they even doing?
And directly across the street from all of this is a homeless shelter called the Weingard Center, a quote, comprehensive human services organization committed to removing barriers that keep people from housing.
The 990 tax return shows the Weingard Center received $112 million through various grants in 2022, their latest public return, and that they have over $800 million in net assets.
Weingard Center also pays their executives between $400,000 and $600,000 a year.
Weingard has been missing their audit deadlines by an alarmingly large and increasing margin 21 months late last year with eight negative findings.
An article in LA states that one of LA's biggest homeless service providers has been awarded over $100 million in taxpayer funds while failing to comply with federal audit mandates.
The audits show multiple failures by Weingard Center to properly account for taxpayer money that were not remedied from one year to the next.
One of Weingart's primary funding sources is LASA, the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority.
We couldn't help but wonder what would people that work for LASTA say about this voter fraud in Skin Row when directly asked.
We attended this special commission meeting to find out.
We spoke to Kathy Linga who says she's seen the people petitioning for money and teaches the prospective fraudster on how to use plausible deniability and to practice ignorance of the law as an excuse.
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because I think I'm going to get him some little cash right away.
They were giving out the cash for him to sign the petition.
So let me just have you meet Brian.
Definitely could you help you?
Then go to the next go to go to Skid Low and see if there's people out there with clipboards.
With crypto in there and see if they will give him the cash for the petitions.
And do you think that's okay?
I don't want him to get in trouble though.
Do you think it's okay for him to sign?
We don't even, if they say they shouldn't have excuse for the loss.
Another Weingard employee, intake coordinator Jason Warren, tells our undercover journalist exactly where and when to find the petitioners who are breaking the law.
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I wanted to see if we can get where the petitions that are being signed to get cash so he can get some couple of dollars.
Do you know where they are located?
I don't know where those is at.
Most time they'd be outside in the front or you got to go to the GR building.
The GR is going to be on third and third place in Alameda.
What is GR?
GR is general relief.
Oh!
Oh.
Most of them be right across the street under that tree.
Warren also claims the petitioners have to gather a certain amount of signatures and then provide proof to show that they aren't stealing the money, which is apparently provided to them by a higher authority, according to Jason Warren.
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But I don't want him to get into any trouble or anything.
Is that okay for you?
So they gotta have signatures.
Oh, got it.
Because they give them money to get signatures.
But they have to come back when they say.
If you come back and your money don't add it to your sanction, then they gotta come out your body.
Got it.
So do they also provide?
Do you know if they provide the money that they're handing out?
The same Lhasa, the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority.
What's interesting about that is that Lhasa is the organization which provides an overwhelming majority of the funding that Weingard Center receives.
And LASA is the organization that Weingart has been failing to deliver their audits to.
We found it so alarming that people working for these institutions made an effort to intimidate us out of exposing the fraud that is occurring right on their front doorstop.
Back at City Hall, we took a closer look at some of these petitions and found that they were pushing some rather deceptive and predatory measures, including a push for a one-time wealth tax on the wealthy, billionaires, being pushed by Suzanne Jimenez, the chief of staff for the United Healthcare Workers of the West.
So these are the petitioners, and we want to get the signatures as the protesters come into it.
We wish a lot of people.
The city of LA recently raised the minimum wage for airline and hotel workers to $30 an hour with a raised standard for health benefits by 2028 in anticipation of the 2026 World Cup and the 2028 Summer Olympics.
In response, this particular petition that I'm holding seeks to overturn that.
This explains why companies like Delta and United would pay millions to circulate such a petition.
As this man told me he gets to, quote, push things that he believes in, I couldn't help but wonder if he was aware that the petition I was currently holding was an endeavor to lower minimum wage for hotel workers who are about to be slammed by the World Cup and Summer Olympics.
We found that the validity of the signatures had been contested with allegations that signature gatherers had, quote, egregious misrepresentation of the content and effect of the referendum petition.
Even stating that referendum circulators have, quote, repeatedly misrepresented the voters, they're signing a referendum to increase the minimum wage, the very opposite of what the referendum would do.
We even found some people commenting on social media backing up this accusation.
One comment read, two separate petitioners lied about their petition said.
One of them said, we're trying to get a vote on raising the minimum wage.
The second guy said, we're trying to vote to allow the hotel workers $30 an hour.
But the petition is for a vote on overturning the already approved raised minimum wage.
I even read it to the second guy word for word, and he tried to disagree with what was on his own petition.
Misrepresenting the contents of a ballot petition is a violation of another California Elections Code law, 18600, which states every person is guilty of a misdemeanor who willfully and knowingly circulates, publishes, or exhibits any false statement or misrepresentation concerning the contents, purport, or effect of any state, local initiative or recall petition.
We also found a petition funded by Uber to quote, raise the burden of proof for injury victims and limit the amounts they may recover.
But notice that this petition circulator, who is paid per signature, neglects to mention that the petition endeavors to limit the medical expenses that victims of automobile accidents may recover and raise their burden of proof.
He instead focuses on the claim that the victims would retain 75% of their settlement, a settlement that likely wouldn't even fully cover their medical expenses were this ballot to go through in Uber's favor.
According to an article by the publication CityWatch, a more affordable California receives its funding from Uber Technologies, Incorporated, Initiative 250022A1.
The so-called Protecting Automobile Accident Victims from Attorney Self-Dealing Act is simply an end play by Uber to preserve its profits by significantly reducing its exposure when their autonomous vehicles injure Californians by deliberately diverting attention away from their own safety obligations.
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How much are you going to pay him?
I'm giving him $2,000 right now for whatever he did.
$2.
Yeah.
But how many signatures is he signing?
Oh, he's doing as many as I give him, and it's $2.
And here you see that Brenda has the next petition ready, which makes Uber less liable for car accident injuries, all being signed without a second thought by someone who doesn't know or care what the content of the petition is or what they're signing, All because they're given cash.
He is one of many such individuals that are out across the state of California paying individuals money in exchange for their signatures on ballot initiatives.
We went to MacArthur Park, a homeless and drug-ridden area similar to Skid Row, where we found even more ballot petition fraud.
Meet Frank Tessimo, founder and CEO of Urban Signers.
Tessimo previously led a Swiss signature collection firm called Incop.
In 2024, Swiss media reported allegations that INCOP submitted large numbers of invalid or allegedly forged signatures for nationwide ballot initiatives.
Criminal complaints were filed in connection with Incop and Tessimo personally.
Months later, Tessimo launched Urban Signers LLC in Los Angeles.
Well, the reason I found out about this because on Skid Row, some people were saying, hey, I'll pay you a dollar or give you a cigarette if you put your name here.
We returned to urban signers later in the day to ask Frank Tessimo what is going on at his company.
Hi, Anthony Rubin.
We just spoke with you.
So you mentioned to me in there, you said that people sometimes they pay with they use cigarettes.
unidentified
No, no, they use cigarettes to get everything has to be within the laws of California with regards to petition circulation.
So, and then I told you that our workers are independent contractors, so we don't control what they do out there, but everything they do should be within the laws of California.
But you told me that I told you don't go buy buckets of cigarettes.
It is widely recognized that paying petition circulators on a per signature basis can create incentives for fraud.
For this reason, several states have banned the practice outright.
In recent years, multiple bills have been introduced in California aimed at reducing the type of misconduct shown in this video.
One such measure, AB 1451, would have prohibited paying petition circulators per signature.
It was vetoed in 2019 by Gavin Newsom, who argued that the bill, quote, erects barriers to citizen participation in the electoral process.
A similar bill, SB 660, was also vetoed by the governor in 2021.
We have referred our findings to the appropriate authorities in the state of California and are ready to cooperate with any investigation into the fraud documented in this report.
Those responsible for undermining the integrity of the electoral process in California must be held accountable under the law.
And he walked off and he went, I believe, into the oval.
So when one of President Trump's closest advisors who is vocally advocating for us to not go to war with Iran and for us to rethink at least our relationship with the Israelis, and then he's suddenly publicly assassinated and we're not allowed to ask any questions about that, it's a data point.
We've been told that this individual, Robinson, is a lone gunman, and maybe he is.
But the investigation that I was a part of, the National Counterterrorism Center was a part of, we were stopped from continuing to investigate.
And the FBI will say that they stopped that because they wanted to have turned everything over to the Utah state authorities.
Everything's going to trial.
It's very, very sensitive.
But there was still a lot for us to look into that I can't really get into, but there was still linkage for us to investigate that we needed to run down.
And I'm not making any conclusions.
I'm not saying because of this, this happened.
I'm not saying that at all.
I'm just saying there's unanswered questions.
We know the pressure because of the text messages that have been made public that Charlie was under a lot of pressure from a lot of pro-Israel donors.
And again, we know Charlie was advocating to President Trump against this war with Iran.
You see sparks of this in the most unlikely people.
If you put a list on paper of the people in your life, I won't ask you to say it out loud, but who you really trust or you talk to and you groove with them and they like know exactly what you're saying.
You know, they are on the same wavelength in some deep way.
And it's quite the quest because so many people are lost.
And really, it's an inside job.
They've got to somehow open up the channel to God.
And then they'll see everything that's happening.
And then God will give them a message and a mission of what they should do.
And I don't want to say all churches are mad because there's a lot of good people in the churches regardless.
It's just that the last 120 years, the Rockefeller Foundation, the ecumenical movement, and all of that has really moved into the churches.
We see that with all the rainbow flags and all, you know, the famous cathedrals in England now festooned with all the leftists, you know, graffiti and garbage.