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Republicans Demand Release of Epstein Docs, Hold Press Conference with Victims, BUT — Victims Say Trump NEVER DID ‘ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE!
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marjorie taylor greene
Good morning.
This is my fifth year in Congress, and this is the largest press conference that I've seen since I've been here.
And this is because this is an issue that matters so much to Americans.
This is an issue that doesn't have political boundaries.
It's an issue that Republicans and Democrats should never fight about.
As a matter of fact, it's such an important issue that it should bring us all together.
It's grieved me to watch the arguments and debates take place among my colleagues and even the administration.
I think this is something that was worth fighting for.
You see, the women behind me are you going to tell you stories that you've never heard before.
These are unimaginable horrors that they've lived with for their entire lives since they were very, very young.
But these are also similar stories that many children, teenagers, women, and even men are enduring nightmares right now as we speak.
You see, these women have been fighting since the 1990s.
I heard one woman tell us yesterday since 1996.
And they have carried with them shame.
But I want to tell you something.
The shame does not fall on these brave, courageous women.
The shame falls on every single person that coldly turned a blind eye to their abuse.
The shame falls on every single person that enabled it.
The shame falls on every single person that took money to continue it.
And the shame falls on the people in power over the past several decades that protected the monster, Jeffrey Epstein, and his cabal that continued a nightmare.
Those people deserve the shame.
And today we are coming forward, and we are going to fight like hell for these women because we have to fight like hell for those that are enduring sexual abuse and are living in a prison of shame.
Anyone that is being abused, it is not your fault.
You should live with no guilt or fear or shame.
All of the fault belongs to the evil people that do these things to the innocent.
This is the most important fight we can wage here in Congress, is fighting for innocent people that never received justice.
And the women behind me have never received justice.
And do you want to know why?
It's because Jeffrey Epstein somehow was able to walk among the most rich, powerful people, not only in America, but foreign countries.
Yesterday I heard countries like Saudi Arabia, Russia, and even Israel and other countries.
The truth needs to come out.
And the government holds the truth.
Jeffrey Epstein's estate holds the truth.
The FBI, the DOJ, and the CIA holds the truth.
And the truth we are demanding come out on behalf of these women, but also as a strong message to every innocent child, teenager, woman, and man that is being held captive in abuse.
This should never happen in America, and it should never be a political issue that divides us.
And I want to thank Rokana and Thomas Massey for doing something brave, crossing political boundaries for a very important fight.
And I'm honored to join both of them.
And I'm honored that Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert signed the discharge petition along with myself.
And I asked my Republican colleagues not to choose just one path for justice and transparency and accountability.
But I asked my Republican colleagues to choose every path for justice and accountability and transparency.
alex jones
All right, it is Wednesday, September 3rd, 2025.
We have fired Owen Schreuer, which isn't true.
He quit uh for exposing Israel, which isn't true.
Uh, and we're here.
The big evil villains.
Here we are, myself with the evil Rob Dev, the horrible people you can't trust.
Uh and we're gonna continue to do the horrible stuff exposing the Epstein case wherever it goes.
And we're gonna continue to expose the RNA shots and do all the horrible things InfoWars does because we're the bad guys.
It is the war room today with Rob Dew, the InfoWars news director here, 16 years.
Former InfoWars reporter, former political J6 prisoner, Joe Biggs, top anti-COBA tyranny lawyer, Tom Rinz, and more.
And yours truly, the guy that fired Owen Schreuer for exposing Israel.
Of course, none of that's true.
He quit and they put out all that garbage, but it makes him feel good, so great.
I'm the bad guy.
I fired him and I work for Nett and Yo.
Makes feel powerful.
Say it a thousands of times.
So really painful, all the stuff that's going on, but it doesn't matter.
We're going to continue to expose the globalists.
We're going to continue to spotlight the victories where we're winning, where we're losing, you're going to get unfiltered next level information here Monday through Friday from 3 to 6 p.m.
There is so much to get into, so much to break down, so much to cover today.
Now, we just in the first five, some stations don't carry that, played MTG.
And man, am I proud to be associated with her?
She went against the White House that uh the White House is reporting.
They said, Oh, you're an enemy of the administration if you try to release all this.
Uh and you couldn't be acting more guilty, though we've never seen any evidence, and all the victims say they never saw Trump, never did anything.
The one uh Jufrey that was 16 working at the thing, he fired Epstein over poaching her away and other employees.
He first dropped the dime, Epstein years ago told uh you know uh journalists doing anti-Trump biographies that no Trump was after him.
But then why is Trump doing this?
Well, because it's not a file, it's not a list.
It's all the investigations, all the interviews, all the Jane Doe's, fake and real.
It's whatever Comey and his daughter that ran the investigations and controlled the file left in there.
So Trump has him raided when they wouldn't give it up out of New York as a setup.
Oh, don't come get our briar patch.
They find out they put him all through it within you indo, just like Russia Gate.
Trump flips and says, Don't, no, no, it's bull.
That backfires, and he says, go ahead and release it all.
Then they release it to the DOJ to Congress, and Congress goes, oh, 90% of this is old, as I said, because most of it's court case stuff.
So there's a lot of dunking going on here.
Then they go in yesterday in the hearing with these whatever 14 survivors or whatever wit v victims, most of them are on record to be victims, uh, and they say, wait, we the 30,000 pages or documents, we want to look at this first.
We want to make sure it's not people that were innocent or whatever.
And so now they're working with Congress, they're gonna decide what it's released.
And then the media spun it.
Oh, look, suddenly MTG, suddenly uh Anna Polina Luna, suddenly all these people, they now don't want to release.
No, MTG said nope, override the women, release it all.
Uh, but the other people, Luna, who's been you know, voting with the Democrats to get this release, she's like, well, the the victims now want a chance to look at it.
And I kind of don't blame them because they're probably wondering what's in there.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
Uh so the headline will be Jones Coles for suppressing the thing.
No, the victims said that now.
Because this is very delicate stuff with court documents, as it is, you know, people seeing.
But the point is, it's coming out, whatever is in there, whatever was left in those grand jury records, whatever was left, whatever the Democrats wanted left, Trump is right.
I'm just calling balls and strikes.
I haven't figured out exactly what's going on yet, but we have Jewfries' brothers saying Trump's innocent.
We have uh all these other women saying it.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
But the media doesn't pick that up.
And and so again, Trump, all the evidence is totally innocent, but the behavior is super guilty.
Rob, what the hell do you think is going on here?
We're gonna play these amazing clips in a moment.
rob dew
You know, uh it's hard, it's hard to get a read on it because he he, I don't know, quadrupled down again today, saying it was a hoax.
Um, and just you know, it's so his his.
alex jones
Not even being specific.
rob dew
When he said he's not being specific.
alex jones
There is no holy grail list.
rob dew
Right.
alex jones
And then he just I'm guilty.
I mean, there's a whole bunch of stuff.
unidentified
Right.
rob dew
And when you just say it's a Democrat hoax, well, what is a Democrat?
What part of it is the Democrat hoax?
Don't just say that and then do it.
alex jones
Well, sir, isn't explained as we first explained because we know the case.
We didn't come up with the talking point.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
We knew this case.
It is just a whole bunch of stuff that they that they left that the Comey's left in there.
So I get what, but I agree.
It's the communication way he does.
rob dew
But is he saying that?
He's not like he like I guess he did kind of he blamed it on Comey and the investigators and Mueller and saying that they would that they left stuff in there.
But when he says it over and over again, just it's a hoax, it's a hoax.
Uh, you know, Gerald from uh from over at Crowder said this.
He said it's just sloppy.
He needs to make clear what the hoax is and his involvement if anything's unknown.
alex jones
No, no, I'm the one that first said months ago when this broke.
Remember, they put out that memo that Sunday, and I came on the air Monday and I said, Trump's behind us.
Well, you're a traitor, it's Bondy.
And of course, day later, yeah, it's me.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
Because I made some calls.
So I totally agree.
His handling is an F- Right.
Evidence of him being involved in anything illegal is like zero.
So this is a real conundrum.
I think it's well, we know he's protecting Israel.
I mean, as I exposed 15 years ago.
Um, yeah, no, sorry, folks.
Owen wasn't fired for talking about Epstein and Assad.
We've been talking about 15 years.
Uh is that um he was mainly massage.
CIA knew though.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
So the CIA has asked Trump to cover it up as well.
rob dew
Well, uh, Gislaine's dad, you know, he got the like the ultimate massad burial, essentially.
alex jones
Yeah, at Mount of Olives and met by the Prime Minister on the airplane with his coffin, and he was also MI6, so it's all kind of a triad uh.
But but Israel's the main player there.
So let's go, as you mentioned it to Trump, tripling down today.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
Then we've got the victims admitting he never did anything, all of them on record, they're confirmed, and then we've got her brother, and then we've got Massey.
unidentified
So this is look.
alex jones
Roger told me right before Trump got back in, he said you're never gonna get the Epstein stuff.
It's all a big mess.
There's so much of it, and implicates Israel and the CIA, which we already knew, but Roger was right.
And so that's where this is, and people say, well, go ahead and bring it out.
Well, the names in here are from are from investigations and things.
Just as you're investigating, doesn't mean you're guilty.
But in the case of most of these guys, oh yeah, come on, we know what's going on.
And they have the women that are the witnesses.
And they're scared now because the list is there and it's cooperating what they said, so they think they're in danger because some people have been killed.
They want time to see the list and to get it together before it's released, because they know if it's them in the list, you know, we haven't been being raped by these guys, they're in grave danger.
And that's what that's what the Connors, I played it on my show, those clips.
That's what they said.
Now the clout chasers will say, Jones agrees, don't release it.
No, the victims are saying they need time.
Rob, if you were a victim of all this rape and you you uh a day ago they released the files, or they have the files, would you want that chance to look at them versus the victim?
rob dew
Sure.
I definitely want a chance to review it.
And what I'm amazed is is that suddenly there's all these victims that come out.
How come they haven't been a part of this whole investigation earlier?
Like when it was investigated in in 2008.
alex jones
Well, and that's the thing.
Always believe a woman.
A bunch of them, other confirmed victims were confirmed.
They're in files, they've got other eyewitnesses and things, they've got informants.
So I think these women are for real.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
But you notice that MTG's earlier uh uh speech from yesterday, or talking to reporters for like five minutes, he goes, No, no, it wasn't MC, it was it was Anna Polly Lemon.
She goes, Well, one of these women doesn't remember who raped her, and she needs deep therapy psychology to remember.
rob dew
So, you know that seems questionable.
alex jones
Well, it's kind of like I remember, but like no, no, no, no.
rob dew
But it also was, you know, years ago.
It was like the night.
alex jones
Well, people that get raped, especially when they're young, they tend to compartmentalize.
That's why they do it in CIA mind control, declassified, would be some of it was rape, electro shock.
The trauma a little kid will compartmentalize to be able to handle it.
rob dew
But most of these girls were like, they seem to be 13, 14, 15, 16, you know, in that.
alex jones
Yeah, you're not going to usually have compartmentalization.
rob dew
It seems like by that time you're you can at least know.
And and they might not know who see the thing is, I think they might not know who some of these important people were that they were, you know, the one lady was saying, Oh, I was asked to go give massages.
Well, they asked me to come do it so many times I quit school in the ninth grade.
You know, she's just sitting there saying that, you know, because I guess she was a good thing.
alex jones
I mean, look, they did the investigation 20 years ago.
He recruited hundreds of girls just out of trailer parks in one area of Florida.
rob dew
And they're not gonna know who these people are.
You know, no, they're not gonna know who the governor of New Mexico is when they're in Florida.
alex jones
Yeah, and they're just now getting this stuff.
Totally, but but The point is it's coming out.
I don't know if it's days or weeks or whatever, but some of those Congress people walked out of there physically crying looking sick.
So I think they heard some really bad stuff.
And so whatever it is, we better brace for it.
But it doesn't mean exactly what we're told, because if this is 15, 20, 25 years ago with some of these, and they're telling them this is who it was, this is in a comey report.
It's everybody's innocent until proven guilty.
And again, that's not me running cover for whoever.
My point is we all get due process.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Because I've certainly learned about not getting new processes.
rob dew
You don't get due process.
alex jones
Well, Alex Jones is a special case.
rob dew
Yeah, special case.
We got it.
alex jones
So wait, you didn't win the bid, but you won.
Well, it's Alex Jones.
rob dew
Yeah.
That's how it works.
alex jones
So, but here's the thing.
We got the dimes dropped.
We learned, we broke in here with O'Boyle that his sources was all confirmed, that they had all these files they were hiding from Bonnie.
She gave them 24 hours, six months ago, wherever it was, five months ago, they rate it, they get it.
Bonnie doesn't even look at it.
They send it out to all the FBI officers, but it's supposed to do and they come back and they go, this has been confirmed.
They go, Trump's in there like 35 times.
And then they go and brief Trump on it, and whatever it is is exactly what I predicted.
Milani is a hooker that works for Epstein.
That's already been disproven.
The fake Jane does where I've been proven I'm be real.
And then I predicted that's what it is.
It's all recycled crap.
They already done this before.
And Trump's like, I'm not doing a new Russia gate.
Shut it down.
And I'm not defending that perspective, but as best I can tell, that's what's happened.
Plus the Mossad and MI6 and the CI of As were covered up.
So let's go to uh Trump.
This is not tripling down.
He's on this, he's flip-flop.
This would be flip-flopping six times, Rob.
rob dew
Yeah.
I was trying to figure out what was there.
alex jones
When did they release that memo?
Like three months ago now?
Two months?
On that Sunday night that nobody would sign, saying Epstein killed himself and wasn't human trafficking and acting alone.
There was no blackmail and no accomplices.
And the tooth fairy's dropping by today.
You know, Santa Claus is coming down to your chimney on Christmas Eve.
And, you know, two men can have a baby.
But it's been a long time, and he's just flipped, flipped, flipped, flipped.
It's it's it's bad.
rob dew
The messaging is not good.
Whoever's giving him this advice is not good.
I mean, have have a press conference.
Put charts up and show things like, well, here's here's a lot of things.
alex jones
You know what Trump ought to do?
He ought to have a press conference with all 14 victims saying that only one of them ever saw him and say he didn't do anything.
rob dew
Right.
alex jones
So I mean, yeah, he ought to.
That's what I said.
Lean into this, man.
rob dew
Yeah.
I mean, if he's gonna, instead of skirting around the edges, you know, which what he's doing, because he doesn't really, he just he repeats the same thing and it's like this isn't him just doing it for Massad.
alex jones
MI6CA.
He's not doing it, but this is what I was worried about.
Because the smart move, and I don't mean that myself, because I don't do the smart thing to do the right thing.
But the smart political Macchiavelli thing was use the blackmail file on them.
You see?
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
And I think that's what's going on.
Trump's using it on them.
Well, guys, can I have another water?
Thanks.
But I I'm not endorsing that.
When I war game things, and I don't do this because I care about myself.
I'm sick of the lies.
It's like I said, Israel stood down on January 6th, or not January 6th, Israel stood down on October 7th.
It was clearly so that was set up.
Israel founded Hamas, they fund the leadership that's you know protected.
This is the pretext for an endless war.
rob dew
They're not going to investigate until until they're done with this conflict.
Then there's an investigation.
alex jones
Until they're done.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
And so, you know, I just basically, you know, laid that out.
And then I said, the only way Israel could, quote, win this is to carpet bomb and destroy the whole country from end to end.
And that's been a genocide and horrible for the people they kill and for their PR, and China will be empowered by this.
Israel shouldn't do that.
Well, people just took the clip out of me war gaming it, is saying carpet bomb all of it.
That's what they do to feel powerful and feel good.
But people need to become aware of how that those people operate.
So when I say what Trump's doing, and I know I'm right, I'm not agreeing with the decision he made, but I am simply stating the pragmatic reason they did it.
And I think it's wrong.
And I predicted that he would probably do this before he even got back in.
And I said they will double cross him.
So he thinks he's got them coming to heel, shutting this down, and it's the opposite.
rob dew
Yeah, I mean, it it's already out there.
There's people who you got to think how many copies of this thing are out there.
If if they're able to move stuff around and not keep track of stuff, like they, you know, like they nobody knew where the the uh the real files were, and now this third trancha files that come out and they say maybe 3% is something people haven't seen, which isn't that much.
Uh but it's like 30,000 documents.
So it's like we're gonna release a ton of documents people have already seen, so we can just uh kind of gaslight people and tell you know, say we're releasing documents for real, but it's nothing new.
And people want to see something new.
People want to see what people want to see is you know, videos of guys coming in that we know are Barack, the Israeli Prime Minister.
alex jones
But but look, but let's move on from that.
The Comeys, and all of them control this file.
That's true.
So what do you think you're gonna get?
Why aren't we hearing we should be hearing about where are the thousands of DVDs and and hard drives that were in Zorro Ranch, New Mexico and in New York and his lair and and and the Caribbean Island, Little St. John's, where the hell it's called.
See, never you never hear about that.
The FBI had that.
They're covering it up, they're covering up the Mossad connection, and that's the reality here.
rob dew
Or or he was working for the government in addition to doing all the Massad honeypot stuff.
Uh he was working for the government doing life extension stuff at Zoro Ranch.
Well, they could have been a whole nother thing because he's not a good thing.
alex jones
But yeah, but of course that.
Money laundering was the main deal, live extension and then pedophile stuff, whatever else wanted.
It wasn't like they even they weren't even going to get compromised.
That's just a club thing.
They're already compromised.
So, but I'm not belittling the the the pedophilia.
I'm just saying from our studies, yeah, that that was a secondary or third thing.
So again, there is no simple holy list where they admit they're guilty.
There's a whole bunch of crap.
Some real, some not.
It's like any investigation.
So that's where we are, and I don't want to spend all day on this, obviously.
You got a bunch of big guests coming up.
Uh, but let's go ahead and go to Trump.
Let's then let's go to the victims saying Trump never did anything, and then let's go to um uh Jew Free's brother, and then let's go to Thomas Massey.
Here it is.
unidentified
Why is there a president?
Why is there right now uh there have been survivors of Jeffrey Epstein, us speaking at a press conference on Capital these case files, the documents that you released and Thomas Massey, who his fucking substantive discharge positions,
you get the house to vote on release those documents, uh says here's the week, you're educated in these files, but many of your friends and donors may be, and he says that's why the Justice Firm is redacting them and slow walking in the release or is the Justice Department protecting any friends or donors, sir?
donald j trump
So this is a Democrat hoax that never ends.
You know, it reminds me a little of the uh Kennedy situation.
We gave him everything over and over again, more and more and more, and nobody's ever satisfied.
Uh from what I understand, I could check, but from what I understand, thousands of pages of documents have been given.
But it's really a Democrat hoax because they're trying to get uh people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant to the success that we've had as a nation since I've been president.
Uh even if you look at DC right now, DC, it's a totally safe zone.
It's called a safe zone.
That's a that's a term, it's a term of art.
Uh it's a safe zone because it's very safe.
You can walk down the street now and nothing's gonna happen.
Uh no crime, no murders, no nothing.
Because we had a lot of problems with uh with certain places, and we still do, all run by Democrats, or for the most part run by Democrats.
So what they're trying to do with the Epstein hoax is uh get people to talk about that instead of speaking about the tremendous success like ending seven wars.
I ended seven wars.
Nobody's gonna talk about because they're gonna talk about uh the Epstein, whatever.
I understand that we were subpoenaed to give files, and I understand we've given thousands of pages of files, and I know that no matter what you do, it's gonna keep going.
Uh and I think it's I think really I think it's enough because I think we should talk about the greatness of our country and the success that we're having.
I think we're probably having, according to what I read, even from two people in this room, we're having the most successful eight months of any president ever.
And that's what I want to talk about.
That's what we should be talking about, not the Epstein hoax.
unidentified
When are you gonna make a million?
alex jones
He's the only president ever to start taking down the Federal Reserve.
He is winning.
And I'm not defending how this has all been done, it's been handled terribly, but he's just totally sick of it.
He had them go raid the files, they sprinkled in some BS about his wife in there.
He's just totally sick of it.
And he doesn't care.
And so that's why he's so confident.
No, Trump didn't screw kids.
He's not into kids, A and B. He would never let himself be compromised.
He didn't get pissed on by hookers.
He didn't die last weekend.
None of that's real.
rob dew
And he wants to talk about the successes.
alex jones
But we even see we even see other influencers saying we fired Owen because he broke that Epstein was Mossad, even though that was out 20 years ago and I covered it more than 15 years ago.
I'm not mad at Owen.
It's just a microcosm.
Did you know we covered Ep Epstein?
Is you know we covered up for Israel?
Did you know it's not just Trump doing it?
It's me, guys.
I'm I'm bad too.
Because again, now there's such a great awakening.
There's all these people jockeying to say, I'm the holy one.
I'm the holy one.
I'm the holy one.
Are you a holy one?
rob dew
I thought you were the holy one.
alex jones
Uh let's go to some of the uh all these victims say he never touched them.
rob dew
Yeah, we'll finish up that that block of clips.
alex jones
Yeah, finish that block of clips.
Here it is.
unidentified
I do have to ask, and I know, uh, and it's just something that I think we're compelled to at this moment with the attention on President Trump with these questions around a part in.
Did anybody see or hear of the president himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein?
No.
sky roberts
She fought for every survivor who was silenced, doubted, or discarded.
And she never backed down, even when the world tried to break her.
Today we rally not only in her memory, but in solidarity with every survivor.
We are here to say we see you, we believe you, and we will not stop until justice is served.
Because justice is not selective.
It does not and must not bend to money, influence, or titles.
We're here because every survivor deserves more than a headline.
They deserve more than a single conviction.
They deserve the full weight of the law behind them.
Our demands are clear.
Elaine Maxwell must remain in a maximum security prison for the rest of her life.
No leniency, no deals.
unidentified
Trump better knows her treatment.
sky roberts
The Epstein documents must be unsealed.
Every name, every detail, no more secrets, no more protection for those who preyed on the vulnerable.
And finally, we demand full accountability from every enabler, every accomplice, every person in power who turned a blind eye.
The justice system was not designed to serve to serve the powerful.
It was meant to protect the people.
And it's time it started doing just that.
thomas massie
I think it's shameful that this has been called a hoax.
Hopefully, today we can clear that up.
This is not a hoax.
This is real.
There are real survivors.
There are real victims to this criminal enterprise.
And the perpetrators are being protected because they're rich and powerful and political donors to the establishment here in Washington, D.C. Well, this is a real revolution.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
And you've got them banning all vaccine mandates in Florida.
You've got Kennedy firing all these people, then refusing to leave, caught hiding the desk.
You know, Tom Renz is a big pessimist, and I agree with him.
But he's got his own round.
He says, No, Trump's really made the turn.
rob dew
Well, and he said it perfectly on your show today.
We have to work with Trump because that's the best chance we have to changing anything.
It's not going to get any better.
And it it can only get worse from here on out.
So we better make it.
alex jones
And we push.
rob dew
Yep.
alex jones
And so much good is happening.
And that was my only point.
That was never censorship of Owen.
rob dew
We're not even a year in the middle.
alex jones
When I would say on air, uh debate Owen, no, and I think you're too black pilled, covered the bad stuff of Trump's, but can we also celebrate some of the houses?
Me giving my opinion, it's not bad.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
It's like it's like, you know, that but so graspy to get a censorship.
Please censor me so I can be a victim.
unidentified
Please.
alex jones
Oh God, I'm better than everybody.
Oh, oh, I'm good.
You're bad.
I'm good.
I'm the holy one.
I'm the holy one.
rob dew
It it took uh it took about four or five years to build the World Trade Center.
You know, it took a long time.
And it took what an afternoon to blow it up and bring it down.
So it's really easy to implode something and destroy something.
To build it up and do it right takes a long time.
And it takes a lot of good people working on it.
alex jones
Yeah, look how they're running the clip.
Millions of views everywhere.
When I openly with Owen got Nick on his show, that's all I censor.
And I came in and said, I'm covering up for Israel.
Don't talk about this as a joke.
that's a one with hardly any views.
I mean, we said it was a joke, but they cut that part out.
And so this is again, this is the holiness of it.
This is the this is the this is you know, everyone's holy.
Everyone's everyone's everyone's No, no, no, you're bad.
rob dew
That's what it is.
alex jones
No, they're all holy.
I I've been I've been replaced by a clone, Rob.
Yeah.
I guess the new clone I would get would probably have better hair, though.
rob dew
I'm surprised your son didn't announce you the other day when you're on the air with him.
He didn't announce you.
You're a clone, you're not even my real dad.
alex jones
All right, I don't want to spend time on Owen anymore.
And I I talked about it some on the show today.
I still gotta give it a headline, put it on X and Rumble.
But um when I saw that, I didn't watch the whole thing um Monday and I watched some of it Tuesday.
I'd never I never watched the whole five and a half hours.
It was all scripted.
That's what made me so mad.
To sit there within you indoor and act like he was censored and wasn't paid money and all this stuff that wasn't true.
But look at the aftermath.
Alex Jones fires Owen Schreuer in ugly breakup over Donald Trump.
Did not fire him.
You know, did not happen.
And then just look at let me flip this around because I'm over here in the side shot.
InfoWars host abruptly kicked off show for turning anti-Trump.
Just totally not true.
Uh MAGA Rising Star kicked off InfoWars for turning against Trump.
This is Yahoo news.
This is the front of everything.
Owen Schreuer quits InfoWars says Alex Jones told him he was too anti-Trump.
I said on air.
I think we should just I say that as what you just said.
That's not censoring him.
That's me debating him.
That's what's interesting about this.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
InfoWars host quits after being branded to Annie Trump.
rob dew
Now, did Opie and Anthony always get along when they did a show together or you know, whenever you know, no, they it's it's conflict, and that's what makes it interesting is two people talking over ideas.
alex jones
Well, I I put microphones if you remember in all these studios and wanted you guys to say, hey, you know, during a break, we disagree, pop in.
But no one will ever do it.
rob dew
Right.
alex jones
And then when I told Owen he got his job nine years ago, nine and a half years ago, I said, you know, sometimes I'll let you know I'm coming in, but if I got breaking news, I'll come in and make it exciting, come in my show.
They'll never do it.
I set up all the studios connected so people could come in during the day when they had breaking news and set a time on the show where they would just break in with something.
We paid like $50,000 for high-tech cables with all these things.
rob dew
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
And we never do it.
We've seen with election covers that were can Owen can be in here, right?
Doing a great job, he would do with the numbers, and you know, and I'd be in there.
rob dew
No, we'll go to all three of them.
alex jones
But that's the best people said, What's the social ship?
Well, he would I think like once a month lately try to come in with something, or I'd like to bring an article, and he wouldn't even get pissed at that.
So it's all drama queen stuff.
But look, MAGA Civil War erupts as top InfoWars hosts, storms out over Alex Jones' unrelenting Trump tirades.
Um, so it's everywhere, corporate media, you name it, that we were censoring, and again, he did that little trick where he said, Well, if you're desperate, you can pay me more stay, but I'm supposed to put my show.
And I went, you know, it's okay, man.
You can do you know it was like a favor.
Then he goes on there.
I just wanted to come back for a week and he kicked me out, Rob.
There's no media place in the world, someone who says I quit, but I'm still coming back on the show.
I didn't care about him promoting his other show with it.
I knew this all was a stunt.
Me coming back against it's what he wanted.
It's about integrity and for the audience to know that what he did was the lie.
He put out the stuff that wasn't true, not me.
Because I'm not gonna have somebody that I've nurtured was totally nice to sit there and lie about me and this operation, what we've done.
So that's why I was so pissed.
rob dew
Yeah, oh, I can tell you're pissed.
You've definitely uh shown that.
And um, you know all I could say is it it sucks to be in this position at this point because you think you know you work with somebody for a long time and you think you know who they are, and you you know, and him going, oh, I still love the info war, I still have the info war.
Then why going out the door do you just start talking shit like that?
alex jones
Well, no, no.
He wanted to he had does the attack and then acts like he didn't know what he did, and then goes, Oh, I'm just nice.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
Which I predicted, but here's the thing.
Our philosophy is like a talk radio philosophy on TV.
And you've been here 16 years.
I've hired people I think you have integrity and are smart.
And listeners get confused.
They go, Your host is saying something different than you.
Well, because we disagree on some basic things.
It's that it's so fundamental that I'm so hands-off.
Like Harrison Smith when I asked me yesterday morning, I said, Every censor, you said no.
In fact, it's kind of scary, other than you sending me articles or guest ideas.
I couldn't imagine it's totally hands-off.
It's actually crazy that there's no governor.
rob dew
Right.
alex jones
So it's the total opposite.
That because that's what I am.
So to say that I'm opposite of that, so somebody can say they're the good guy, I'm the bad guy, they're the real thing, I'm the fraud.
That's trying to take my identity.
rob dew
Well, and there's no integrity.
alex jones
My name, my honor.
rob dew
Right.
There's no producer in here like saying, Oh, you got to say this, you got to say this.
No, the producers are saying 10 seconds left till the end of the clip.
That's all they're saying back there.
There's no you go to a news organization, any network news organization, the producers telling them what questions to ask, telling them how to respond to an answer.
They're not going, they're not just saying, Oh, there's 10 seconds left of the clip.
They're saying, no, ask him this.
Oh, don't let him, don't let him talk about vaccines.
Cut him off.
alex jones
Yeah, we've never had that.
But I said Governor Pritzker was a Republican.
They might pop my ear twice a day on my show because I demand it.
They're like, hey, boss, he's not a he's not a Republican.
So I did I'm really smart, but I do so much live stuff.
I do these weird brain farts.
rob dew
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
rob dew
Yeah, you played the Pritzker clip today.
He actually looks like he's losing a little weight.
alex jones
I'm kind of surprised.
rob dew
Yeah, he probably is.
Yeah.
He's probably taking it to somebody else's.
alex jones
So but my point is I'm not responding to these attacks because it hurts us.
In a sick way, all this drama stuff gives us more viewers.
And that's why Owen did this because he knows he's getting it too.
I really don't like this stuff.
I mean, you know, I'm Mr. Not Infire.
rob dew
Big time.
alex jones
But I'm not going to take it.
Remember David Knight?
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
He put a tweet out of here before I fired him saying I'm being censored.
So I walk into his office and I say, Who were you censored by?
He goes, I'm not talking to you, blah, blah, blah.
And I said, listen, David, you say you're censored one more time.
And he basically went, it was the same thing here before.
He goes, they didn't upload my full show.
And I went, okay, I'll talk to him.
The guys, and by the way, it uploaded like 15 places, one place only part of it uploaded.
And he they waited, and I hired both the sons and said, Your sons are in charge of uploading now.
And then finally, a year later, they upload an hour, not three hours, and he goes crazy and goes, I was attacking Trump today.
We didn't even, I was watching the show that day.
And by the time he was bitching about it, they'd already found the error and put it up.
Imagine working in an environment where we have hosts that are waiting to be screwed.
Just, oh, years go by.
Fuck what?
How can I say I'm being censored?
How can I?
They didn't upload my show today.
They only uploaded part of it because of an error.
An encoder broke.
Or, you know, and I said, That's it.
You're fired, man.
You finally got what you want.
But the dishonor of that, you know, it's just like someone waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for something.
It's disgusting.
rob dew
Yeah.
And it's a shame that that people.
It's a shame that people can't see the bigger picture of what's going on and go, you know, coming out with this stuff right now at this time.
This is just like, why would you do that?
Why would you do that?
Why would you try to start something to gain controversy?
Because, you know, and then he says he wants to stay and go down with the ship, but he's not staying and going down with the ship.
And we're not even going down yet.
alex jones
Well, that's the thing.
Remember what he did in November when they had the fake auction.
He didn't even call me anybody.
He just said he called the producer.
I quit.
And then did a fundraiser for his own thing.
And then I let him slink back in the next day.
So I mean, I'm just saying, you know, I can't take that type of abuse, man.
I can't be a villain when quite frankly, owns a villain.
rob dew
Well, and you've always, you know, when if if anything, I think sometimes you're too nice to somebody.
Because we brought a lot of hosts in through the years.
And you like to build them up.
And sometimes you, I think you build them up a little too much, and they think they're bigger than their britches.
alex jones
And I think that's some hosts that we hire and they go, I'm not doing, I'm not even doing a show.
rob dew
Yeah.
I'm not going to prep.
I'm not going to do anything.
I'm going to walk in and just start, you know, shouting stuff out five minutes before the show.
It's like, hey, man, you got to prepare.
You got these guys got to know what they got to get prepared.
I don't know.
I don't know who you think you are, but you know, you got to do it a little differently.
alex jones
Well, Owen was such a funny, smart young man.
And he was a dream.
We would go out to eat, all of us hang out in the road.
We were good friends.
rob dew
He's a badass confronting people in the street.
alex jones
So funny.
And then when did he start becoming dark?
About three years ago.
rob dew
It was definitely after Jan Six.
I mean something happened.
You know, I mean, obviously going to jail is not going to make you a happy person.
alex jones
But he he got like this before that.
rob dew
Yeah.
Well.
alex jones
Imagine if I called you up and went, I've got the cards, Rob.
Are you really desperate?
He was literally like, like, I was like, is are you trying to like audition for Patrick Bateman Monday?
And that's why I was like, I started getting tears in my eyes.
He was being so mean to me.
And I said, No, no, thanks.
I'll be friends.
I was like, oh, well, since you're doing your new show, you know, I'm sure it's gonna be great.
We we're having network, we're doing we got new owners coming in.
I still don't work, he's like, Yeah, I don't know, we're done.
And then Harrison heard that and goes, Yeah, I when I thought we were getting shut down in November, I said, Hey, maybe we should do co-hosts sometimes together.
And he goes, No, I don't want to work with you.
And I'm telling you, did you see it?
rob dew
You know, he's he's what I think he's doing is saying, I'm gonna be a lone wolf and I'm gonna cast out everybody that ever that ever worked with me, and I'm not gonna work with them anymore.
alex jones
No, that that's fine because quite frankly, Owen, you're so fucking negative, your show sucked in the last year.
And and nobody was watching.
But I just loyally left you there and said he's gonna burn out, he's gonna quit.
But you don't get to then boost yourself by saying we're censors and villains.
And so I I think I I hope he enjoys, you know, the little uh crew of people that are worshiping and everything because they'll turn on him in a second for publicity.
That's all they do is backstab, backstab, backstab.
rob dew
Yeah.
There's a there's a pattern emerging on on people who claim to be on the right, and uh they're only interested in one thing.
alex jones
Well, here's the deal.
They bankrupted my parents, they bankrupted me, and I don't see myself as a victim.
I'm happier than ever.
But fighting and winning is more important than ever.
And so to me, anybody that attacks us when we're down, anybody that piles on with the enemy when we're down.
Well, he told me on the phone Monday, he goes, I don't want to go down with the ship.
He goes, I'm sick of hearing about this fight.
I said, Did you're getting your paycheck?
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
He even tried that thing.
You know, I I I haven't gotten a raise.
And I said, Oh, and I don't have the numbers, but I said, You've gotten almost a hundred percent raise, because I mean I got a good brain.
And I told remember, I called you that night and I said, get the numbers.
And uh we could technically put it out if it's denies it.
We are we've got the authorization.
I check with lawyers, but he's got a what, an 87% raise.
rob dew
Uh I don't know what the percentage is, but it was a lot.
alex jones
It's 87% over 2018.
Well, it's not hard.
It's 87% increase.
And that's not counting bonuses.
Now, do you think he really believes when he said that that that was true?
If you had an 87% raise in four years, would you know that, Rob?
rob dew
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
You definitely know it didn't come the first few, it came the first.
rob dew
And you know, the way he was couching it is the cost of living has increased since 2018.
It's doubled, is what he kept saying.
alex jones
But he said, I haven't gotten a pay increase.
rob dew
Right.
And then and then he paused and he goes, Well, maybe I gotta check on that.
And then he kept going.
And then he said, and then he said a couple more times.
And that, you know, when I I saw that the first time, I'm like, why would you say that?
Why would you why would you go on a live stream and say that when you know it's not true?
And I knew it wasn't true.
I looked at that, I'm like, I know that's not true.
alex jones
You know, and but that was the that's why I got so mad was it was all premeditated when I was watching it.
Remember, I called you during it, I couldn't watch much of it because I was taking my daughter to the movie.
But I said, watch, we'll be accused of firing him tomorrow.
And you guys are like, yeah, because he's saying you wouldn't let him come back on the show.
rob dew
Right.
He didn't get to do the goodbye tour.
alex jones
Well, because as soon as I didn't give him more money, he went, fine, I quit, but I'll do you a favor.
He said, like something I think was exactly that I'm not sure.
rob dew
You know, the the only thing.
alex jones
If you really need me to, if you really need me to, I will I will do one more week.
And I said, No, that's okay.
rob dew
Well, who does it?
alex jones
And now that's how they hang the hat on the banning him.
rob dew
Right.
Well, who does the goodbye tour?
If you're retiring, you do a goodbye tour, right?
Rolling Stones are gonna do a goodbye tour.
Black Sabbath does a goodbye tour.
You know, they don't quit.
Well, some of them quit and then come back out on the road again.
But if you're uh any broadcaster who's broadcasting, they say, Well, this will be my last show, I'm retiring.
alex jones
And they talk about Well, you don't call up the guy that's done everything for you and say, Well, if you're really desperate, pay me more money and I'll stay, but I'm gonna promote my new show.
And I mean, with a very arrogant voice.
And I wasn't in competition with some of the shows.
I was just like, this is freaking weird.
I was I was like, oh and I'm getting off the phone, man.
I was just like, goodbye.
And he was like, What?
What?
What?
I think he thought I was gonna roll over and get him a raise or something.
And he's gonna launch a new show.
I don't know what he thought.
You know, he hasn't even the crew never talked crap about him.
You know, now that he's gone, they've they've told me how he acted because they heard I was actually the mean.
Did he do the thing to you where he wouldn't even really talk to you and like look you up and down like you're a pile of shit?
rob dew
Uh no, and I never saw him do that to me.
We didn't talk a ton, like he came in the actually the last week, and we actually shot a uh a video for one of the you know, the fake beer commercial, the cuck light.
We actually did one for football season.
And so I that's why I was kind of surprised when all this kind of broke down.
Um, because the plan was to release it uh tomorrow.
Tomorrow, I think is the kickoff of the NFL.
So we did something on the gay cheerleaders or the the male cheerleaders that are now everywhere, and they're making a big deal about it.
And so to me, it was that was all normal.
That was all like, okay, this is cool.
We're all, you know, nothing was everything was seemed normal.
That's it.
alex jones
If you want Kyle Sarah, then here's the news, and that's the censorship.
rob dew
Yeah.
And we actually, I think we shot that Thursday.
No, we either shot we shot it Wednesday.
I think we shot it Wednesday.
So that would have been the day before the.
alex jones
Well, enough about him.
I'm gonna let you take over.
You were loaded for bear.
You got such a huge broadcast prepared.
You probably just want to do 30, 40 minutes with the rants because they want to hit all the rest of this.
Yeah, you got Joe Biggs.
And then uh we had some key intel on the guy that really exposed what COVID was first.
Boyle, was he murdered?
Dr. Francis Boyle, what a great page where that's coming up.
But let me let me just do this real briefly here.
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rob dew
And that war bond looks pretty cool too.
And it's it's something you can stick on your your wallet, and essentially you're getting paid $10 to order it.
alex jones
Well, I mean, look, it's it just makes it fun.
You know, it's a good thing.
And I mean, look at this article right here.
Bloomberg, want to slow climate change, have stop having babies.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
And then here's Bloomberg.
Only immigrants can reverse America's baby bust.
They want to replace Europeans, folks.
rob dew
Well, and and all this brainwashing with uh the millennials now identify as like almost 20% identify as LGBT of uh of millennials.
alex jones
Oh yeah.
And uh so, Rob, I know you were gonna hit this too.
What do you make of Gigi painting on the hot mic saying, yeah, we just have people's organs, we live forever, basically.
rob dew
Well, you know, it's interesting.
You think of China as being like the gold standard of organ harvesting, but actually it's you know, the United States does it.
We just do it under the under the guise where we're not go, you know, driving vans up and pulling people in of uh the Falongong religion and taking their their organs.
And which probably have good organs because these people eat well and they exercise and they probably do have good organs.
Uh, but yeah, this is this is the elite mentality right here.
You're looking at elitists saying And they're talking about body parts.
alex jones
Sure.
rob dew
And because that's what it is.
Well, what was Nygard doing?
He was talking about you know, injecting mutilated aborted babies into his system.
The guy's playing uh beach volleyball at 80, you know.
So there's I've there's definitely something to their science, they're mad scientists that they want to create this um you know uh this immortality that they're going for.
And they want to even achieve immortality, that's what they're saying.
And organ transplants, and that's that's what so they look at us as just commodities that they can trade.
So they want, oh, we see this person, we're gonna take their organs.
We see this person, we're gonna take their organs.
alex jones
Human resources.
rob dew
Yeah.
See, literally what we are, and that's why they call us human resources.
alex jones
Well, in closing, I've been particularly aggressive on this owing thing because we've been over backwards for him, and we don't deserve to be the villain, so he can play the hero.
And he really attacked this crew of this institution with what he did.
And uh, when I saw him after the attack, put out a video, oh, I'm a friend.
I knew it's all played like that.
And in the innuendo and the lies and all of it.
And so I see through it, man.
And so again, Owen.
11 a.m. to 3 p.m., you live right down the street, two miles away.
Come in here and be a man and debate me live on air tomorrow.
Come on, let's go.
rob dew
I mean, if he wants publicity, that's gonna be the biggest thing.
alex jones
I don't want publicity.
I'm gonna hand him his pay stubs and say, You get a raise?
Got an 87% raise the last five years.
Now, when did I ever tell you not to talk bad about Trump?
See, you can't come here because it's not true.
And some people say, Well, why are you so pissed?
Because I'm willing to die for this, folks.
I've lost everything I've got, basically.
Tell the truth, and I love it.
And I'm not gonna let somebody steal my integrity to make themselves look like a big man.
And if it's my enemies doing it, I know they're evil, so it's not personal.
I don't care about my enemies and the lies and things they've done.
It has no effect on me.
But somebody that I've broken bread with hundreds of times, somebody who I tried to help, somebody who I tried to lift up, doing that to me and my family, this organization has got a big problem.
And that's why I'm pissed.
And I apologize to listeners for yelling and screaming here today.
I I was just thinking about do I sit here and take the high road?
That's actually the low road.
Or do I tell people what I really think because I was pissed off.
And I just gave people integrity, not a scripted rope-a-dope, you know, thing to say really horrible things.
You know, we're gonna get picked up and not completely safe because you know you'll get exposed.
It's a premeditation, man.
It's the premeditation.
I didn't know we had Patrick Bateman working here, you know.
I'm serious.
Was he always Patrick Bateman or when did he become Patrick Bateman?
rob dew
I don't think he was Patrick, as you're saying, Patrick Bateman in that picture that we just showed.
Because you guys used to do, I I forgot how many times you would come in and sit and y'all would do co-host the show together.
alex jones
Well, you always ask me to.
rob dew
Yeah.
alex jones
In the last year, he like I'd see him in the hall, and he'd be like, hey, come on the show.
But I got now that he would act pissed to the crew, and I'm like, oh, now it all clicked.
It was a setup.
So he's like, how do I say I'm censored?
Oh, yeah, this is my show.
I see it all now.
It's it's really sick.
All premeditated, all planned out.
And uh God, what did I do to him?
I mean, it's like when I throw the hat and famously hits his head.
Do we have that?
rob dew
Uh it's in today's show folder.
alex jones
That's all he got.
Is like he would hang over me and make guests come on, like Nick Fuentes is on her big guest.
Hey, did you talk to Owen?
You ought to go on.
You want to call Owen?
I'd like I'd text Owen or have the hey, see if Owen's got a slot if he wants him on.
Most of the time I would say no.
How is me offering him a guest abuse and just raping his integrity, raping his speech, raping and just wow?
Just I'm gonna hurt you, I'm gonna get you a big guest.
I'd walk in and say, Did you just see Fox News the crew?
Tell Owen this just happened.
And reportedly, a couple of times he just walk off.
Like, he gave me a clip.
God damn, that fucking censor just.
I mean, imagine the the evil that I have engaged in.
I just I didn't know it was such a criminal, Rob.
rob dew
I think that was the day.
Somebody posted this uh picture this morning and said this is the day, Owen decided to quit.
alex jones
Yeah, when I say Patrick Batman, I just mean it's just sociopathic.
You know, you said, well, he guess what?
He won't have us kick around anymore.
He's gonna be out there with all his little buddies and all his little pals and all the drama queens and all the people, and you know, all this stuff.
He thinks the taint of info wars is embarrassing for wars.
Look at my stetson.
That is a good throw by me, actually.
rob dew
It's a good throw.
alex jones
And Owen did a good job.
rob dew
That was the Jesse Smollett day, too.
I think I did a there was definitely smollett news breaking on the uh I threw it good, but Owen did Oh, yeah.
No, he had to maneuver to hear.
alex jones
He did 60% of that.
But this is like this is me crazy.
This is censorship.
I came in to dominate.
He was talking about Israel.
He was called get in there with the cowboy out, throw it as head.
In fact, I was gonna remember this one.
We'd have a gift of this.
Keep rolling it.
This is this is like savage censorship.
This is just like a vicious hatred.
But see, he overmaneuvered.
I was actually dead on.
Slow, can you gotta slow that down?
I'm gonna give myself 60% credit on here.
This is all the controversy.
rob dew
Well, it definitely makes a turn.
It turns to the right and then it kicks back left.
If you throw a frisbee, it does that stuff.
But see that, and then it'll go.
alex jones
Look at me just over his shoulder with Netanyahu's orders.
Don't watch.
See, if he'd actually stayed where he was, though, that always does it.
Ask AI.
See?
rob dew
Shh it turns.
Yeah.
unidentified
Ah.
alex jones
That is the that was Netanyahu ordered that.
I got a call.
Yes, Netanyahu.
He goes, oh, throw the cow.
Yes, Natanyaho.
rob dew
We must throw hat on Twitter.
alex jones
Yes, Natanyaho.
unidentified
Yes, I will do it for you.
alex jones
That was the old going, though.
Before he joined the dark side.
unidentified
Rise Dothroya.
rob dew
Patrick Bateman approved right there.
alex jones
If we don't destroy the Jedi, there'll be civil war.
All right.
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rob dew
You're watching the war room.
All right, welcome back to the war room.
I'm your host for the near future.
Although we're already talking about, you know, different moving, moving and shaking maneuvers we could do.
And uh but let's talk about this.
And we have this clip, guys, to get ready to go to the Trump clip.
Trump says tariffs could replace federal income tax.
Well, that would be dandy.
I would be down for that.
Uh Eric Doherty posted a video, President Trump of the White House discussing the economic policy of tariffs over taxes.
In the clip, the president can be heard discussing the success of the U.S. under the late 1800 tariff policy and the negative change uh to post-federal income tax.
We're the richest ever from 1850.
It was all tariffs.
We didn't have income taxes from 1850 to 1913.
Oh, the year the Federal Reserve was started.
Trump said, going on to discuss the US became so rich under the tariff policy of the late 1800s.
So let's go to that clip now and get a little history lesson from Trump.
And I think this is uh this could be an interesting development.
Here it is.
unidentified
You've also missed it before they could possibly replace federal income tax.
donald j trump
Possibly you think that's Sunday's festival.
It used to be.
So if you go back to uh 1913 is when they ended tariffs.
We were the richest ever from 1850.
It was all tariffs.
We didn't have income taxes.
From 1850 to 1913.
In the uh 1887s, about 1887, they had the Great National Tariff Act.
And it was a group of people that got together because our country was so rich, they didn't know what to do with the money.
We had so much money, they didn't know what to do.
It was a group of uh very prominent people that were set up to hand out money to everybody because we were the richest we ever were.
Proportionately, we were in 1887 around that time, even in 1913.
Uh we ended them in 1913.
How did that work out?
And then we went to the income tax system, and then we had the depression.
And by the way, a lot of people try and say that, oh, tariffs with the depression.
No, they ended in 1913, and then we went to income tax, and then in 1929 you had the depression.
They did try and bring it back in 1931-32, but the depression had long started, and uh this poor beautiful nation was gone.
It was gone.
We suffered for 25 years.
Took 25, 30 years to really recover from the depression.
Uh and we don't ever want to see that happen again.
Uh the tariffs are vital to the success of this country.
When I say I ended seven wars, at least half of those wars were ended because of the power of tariffs.
I was able to say, well, we're not doing any business with you, or if you go into war, we're putting a big tariff in you.
And all of a sudden they announced uh that the war was settled.
I would settle I settled seven different wars.
rob dew
But what do we have?
We have a judge now saying, Oh, we're gonna end these tariffs because these are starting to work, and we can't have that work because you know I'm funded by the Federal Reserve in some way, shape, or form.
And let's look at what these judges are doing.
Here's here's another these Obama judges.
Obama judge releases 22-year-old transgender accused of threatening to kill Senator Marsha Blackburn.
It's the same judge who released child trafficker in MS-13 thug, Kilmar Garcia from prison.
Uh appeals court rejects President Trump's invocation of Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelan illegals.
So that's the Fifth Circuit of the first Federal Appeals Court to rule directly on a March 14th presidential proclamation and invoking the 1798 law to justify rapid deportations.
And she says, but only uh the judge, Lesny Southwick says the A gives the government expansive powers to detain deport um citizens of hostile foreign nations, but only at times of war during invasion or predatory incursion.
Well, what do you think's been happening the last four years?
Oh, what's been happening the last 40 years?
And if you look at the numbers of presidents in the past that have that have been, you know, that have deported, it's in the millions.
It's in the millions.
Here's another Obama judge Boseburg releases woman jailed for repeatedly threatening to murder President Trump.
So these judges are on on a mission to destroy America.
The judges want to destroy America.
They want to do anything they can to stop the success of this country because they want us to be living in a um a third world state.
Welcome back to the war room.
I'm your host Rob Dew.
Thank you for joining us.
Our h our guest right now is Thomas Renz.
You can find more about him at TomRenz.com, TomRens.com, and Renz-law.com.
Big advocate uh for anti the anti-COVID tyranny that went on.
Uh big advocate for uh truth and what's going on.
Uh we've got a a video here that I want to play, and I'll I'll get his comment on it later.
This is uh Kevin McKernan, who I've been following a lot of his information that he's been putting out since he kind of hit the scene when he discovered that there were the S V 40 DNA was in the Pfizer vaccines.
He was testing unused vaccine vials that had expired, and they were finding S V 40 in it, which is what they found in the polio shot that they were giving people in the 50s that oh caused all this cancer.
So uh it's from Jim Ferguson, UK.
So let's go to this clip now, and uh he talks about the cover-up collapsing.
Here it is.
unidentified
This is not conspiracy theory.
This has been published in the BMJ uh by Red Seth Levy, and uh they go through this process one where they but they ran these vaccines in the trial, and how they changed that when they decided to go and inject the rest of the world.
Uh this is traditionally immortal sin in vaccine manufacturing or in any sort of biological manufacturing.
The process is the product.
You change the process, you have To go through trials again.
And the EMA even asked them to do that, although they failed to.
Um, they asked for another trial of 250 people once they changed the process, and that data was never delivered.
Uh, so this bait and switch is very important for you to understand why the trial data is of absolute zero consequence to what we're actually seeing in the field.
Those numbers are a uh a caricature of what they're actually doing with these injections.
They know something.
Uh Pfizer very early on, uh, they had the data on this from their trial.
They knew this was going to happen, and they quickly went out and acquired uh cancer companies.
They put 43 billion dollars into the acquisition of C gen, and they put 2.26 billion dollars to acquire trillion therapeutics.
Trillium was focused on blood cancers that have a CD 147 marker on them.
Okay, that is one of the markers that is known to be involved in COVID.
So they have a very interesting window on those malignancies, and uh they're buying up the cancer companies that are probably going to play the biggest role in benefiting from the mess that they've created.
So uh, in summary, the Pfizer vaccines on the market are not the same formulation as what was tested in the clinical trials.
This is a big bait and switch and it's a fraud.
Um, so you can't believe anything they're saying about the vaccine efficiency, which we have seen even those numbers decay over time.
This is probably why they're not really what they trialed.
They gave you something different.
Um, there is significant DNA contamination is found, like 10 out of 11 studies have found this.
And the ones that haven't found it have some financial conflicts.
So uh I think the consensus is out.
10 out of 10 out of 10 of the real studies uh are finding this, several are through peer review, uh, which have not been easy to get through peer review.
The peer-reviewed journals do not like these papers.
Uh, they get they get beat beat around in peer review for months or years, uh, but they're they're making their way out now.
Um, there is also significant DNA connection now found in five peer-reviewed studies that were not looking at this, they were looking at people's blood and tissue, and it was accidentally in there.
Other people had to go sleuth it out.
We've got cancer on the rise, and there's several papers that report cancer post-vaccination, like like right at the right at the site of injection, they'll see neoplasms.
All right, there is there's something going on here.
This can't be ignored, saying it's a coincidence anymore.
Um, now this is these are liability-free and they're often mandated.
Okay, this may be the largest carcinogenic hit ever to the human population.
Uh, and uh, we have these on childhood schedules.
We are giving these to pregnant women.
This has gone absolutely off the rails.
rob dew
Now, just watching that three-minute clip, Tom Renz, it kind of explains almost the whole reasoning for why they uh the way they did their studies, they're they're buying the cancer companies, how they don't care that you know DNA contamination's happening, or that are are they not we're not looking for that, you know.
So they can't find anything they're not looking for.
So people can go, well, there's no studies proven they cause cancer.
Oh, well, you know, we're not looking at that.
So it's easy to say that after a while.
And I have uh an interesting story about a person who went through a Pfizer trial, but uh, what's your reaction to that video and just where we're at now?
I mean, we're starting to see some information come out, but what what do we what have we truly like what are some definites that we know that these guys are doing aside from the giant money grab?
thomas renz
Well, I mean, listen, my reaction to the video is uh somewhere between uh wanting to cry uh for all the babies that are going to be dead and dying in the coming years, and uh anger.
Because yeah, I know we so we told you this several years ago, right?
Great congratulations, scientists.
You're finally catching up with the evidence.
I mean, we have a 2006 FDA document that says gene therapies are likely to cause cancers.
They've known since 2006 they define gene therapies in a way that would include these vaccines, and they say that it's likely to cause delayed adverse reactions such as cancer and autoimmune issues.
So 2006, right?
Now, when I presented this originally a couple years ago, and broke it with Alex and other people like that.
Uh all runs, it's nonsense.
And before I broke it, uh with with the 2006 document, uh, I broke it with the when uh Teresa Long and the and the brave soldiers that came up with the DMED data, I presented that at Ron Johnson's hearing, right?
So they come up with this uh this this data that shows cancer exploding, right?
So we knew going back to the DMED data.
And before that, Ryan Cole, Dr. Ryan Cole, let's give credit where it's due.
He was the first guy out there to say, yep, these are going to cause cancer.
unidentified
So we'll go back four or five years.
thomas renz
We've known since 2021-ish that there is a likelihood of these causing cancers.
Now, one of the things that he didn't talk about in this thing was the European study where they found not only the SV40, but the SV40 enhancers in there.
Now, this is a critical, critical study.
And let me tell you why.
SV40, you could argue that when they changed the formulation, there was some contamination.
But the enhancers can't be there by accident.
They had to be put there.
It's intentional.
And they they increase the likelihood of cancer.
Pfizer, Moderna, all these guys, I can't, we it's not 100% yet, but it looks very much like these guys intended to cause as much cancer as possible throughout the whole world, which isn't, which is even more likely when you consider that Biden throws about a billion dollars or some obscene amount of money at cancer research.
rob dew
Yeah, we're gonna cure cancer.
We're gonna cure cancer.
That's what he kept saying.
thomas renz
Yeah, he throws all this money at it.
And it wasn't that he was gonna cure it.
They just knew that they wanted to wanted to uh, you know, have the next generation of drugs that you had to have or you die.
Now, think about this one last point.
There's about 10,000 studies going on related to cancer globally.
Of the 10,000 plus studies going on, less than 200 of them are looking for cures, and only about 20 of that 200 are looking for uh looking at any sort of alternative treatments.
The rest of it's mRNA, chemo, other poisons that make you worse.
I mean, this is insane.
This was manipulated, it was intentional.
They gave the world cancer, and now they're gonna try and profit off of it.
rob dew
And it's sort of like what they did with the uh polio shot.
Like they were testing these polio shots.
We've seen some of the videos of of the doctors even admitting Dr. uh uh Hillman, Maurice Hilleman was admitting that, oh, we're finding uh the the monkey virus in these things, and and they were laughing about it, like we're testing this on the Russians, we're gonna give them all tumors.
That's how we're gonna win the Olympics.
I mean, that was the big joke back then.
And these guys are joking about it.
And the guy interviewing him is joking about it too, is from a local PBS station in uh in Boston.
And you just look at that and you're like, wow, that's how they that's how they think of us.
And you think it's changed any since then?
No, it hasn't.
It's just gotten worse and gotten more sophisticated.
thomas renz
Yeah.
Well, I mean, listen, let me surprise everybody that's watching, because people don't think don't know this.
And I'll be interested to know if you you're aware of this.
Um everybody talks about informed consent.
Did you know that there is not a single informed consent law in the books in the United States that uh now, if if it's for human experimentation, you have to provide informed consent.
But all other informed consent law comes from common law.
There's no law requiring or defining what informed consent is in this country.
So when they put these poisons out, uh, there's there's so much mushy garbage about what informed consent means.
Oh, redness and swelling at the injection site.
What that's garbage.
Yeah, they knew they knew that they uh October of 2020, the verb pack presentation.
They knew they listed, they expect all the things that are happening.
They had the whole list, they said they were gonna monitor for it, which means that they were looking for those.
They knew what was gonna happen.
This was intentional.
This was the ultimate big pharma power play to depopulate the world and to make sure that you have a universe of people who are lifelong pharma customers.
rob dew
Depopulate and debilitate.
That's what the name of the game was.
I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you the story.
Uh I was at a home depot parking lot and I was loading uh plywood into my truck, and this guy stopped to help me.
And so we're talking, and you know, and I just I was just getting over my COVID.
I still had pneumonia.
Um, but I was, you know, still running around doing things, and I told The guy, oh, he goes, Oh, you should have got the vaccine.
I said, Are you kidding me?
That's poison that's killing people.
And he goes, Well, I was actually in the vaccine trials.
I'm like, really?
Oh, this is interesting.
So tell me more.
And he goes to on to tell me that he was in the vaccine trial.
He found out that he got the placebo.
And then they said, hey, if you got the placebo, after the trials were done later, they said, if you got the placebo, you could come in and still get the shot if you want to.
Now, do you think that's gonna ruin your test results?
Looking one, two, three years down the road.
So this is 2021.
He did it in 2020.
So six months later, they're giving him a vaccine of probably the different version, the one, you know, polluted with SV40, and he doesn't know this.
And he thinks he's doing a uh the right thing.
He's he's getting, oh, I've already got two shots.
I'm like, wow, you're I I can't believe I'm talking to you right now.
But he gave me his card.
I need to follow up with him.
I actually gave his information to some documentary filmmakers who were tracking people down who had taken the vaccine to see.
So I don't even know if this guy's still alive or not, but uh he lives up in my area up uh outside of Austin, and it's just amazing that this guy had bought it all hook line and sinker.
thomas renz
Yeah, well, I mean, we hope he's alive, you know, just like uh here's the thing.
We're at a point now where I mean I've been telling you so since 2020, right?
But but I I mean it's not there's no joy in it.
Like there's no, like there's no great I'm right because me being right just means people are dying when people died.
Yeah, it's it it's horrible.
It's the one thing, if there was ever something I wish I was wrong about, it's this whole thing, it's a debacle.
And you think about the babies, you think how many babies?
And I'll tell you what, think about what's gonna happen when the moms and dads who really really love their babies but fell for this line, realize that they gave their kids cancer.
They gave their kids heart issues, they gave this to their children.
I mean, I'm a dad, right?
And I did everything that I've done for the last five years is to try and ensure that my kids have a future.
That's all that matters to me.
And I I mean, I try to put myself in the shoes of someone who gave their kids one of these clot shots, whose kids now can't play soccer or football because they've got myocardial permanent heart issues, or they're debilitated in some way.
And and you know, who or who's, you know, 10 years old and you know, gonna have cancer.
I I can't fathom the human pain and suffering caused by these people.
And when I think about that, I really want to I really want to stress this.
People say, well, what is evil?
What's good, what's evil?
Well, let me tell you what evil is.
Evil is a company that would give a a jab to a child that has absolutely no beneficial effect, but is likely to give them cancer, heart issues, and all sorts of other issues and kill them for profit.
That's evil, and that's what we're fighting.
rob dew
Yeah, I totally agree.
Uh, I've got a video, I'll probably play it after after this break, but it's uh Wichelle Willinski, who is the CDC director under Biden, and talking about how it's her duty to serve even when the science deniers attack the truth seekers.
In fact, maybe we should watch this now because this to me is is the face of evil.
It's these people who sit there and say, No, we're doing this for your own good.
You don't understand, you're too stupid.
We know what's best for you.
Okay.
We don't we don't look at any outside information.
We don't even look at the information we're giving.
And we take these results, these test results, and skew them, like what you said earlier today, where oh, you're not fully vaccinated until two weeks after your second dose.
So if you if you die 13 days after your second dose, that's a coincidence.
We don't know what you're not fully vaccinated.
And that's the way they play these little mind games and creeps like this.
This lady should never be able to get a job anywhere in the world.
She's probably got some great consulting job right now because evil rewards itself.
You know, evil loves to do that.
So look, let's go to this clip.
I'll have you comment on it.
Because this is this is who we're facing.
The simpering lisp of tyranny right here.
Here it is.
unidentified
And when the lives of a nation hang in a balance and you're called to serve, we serve.
We run to help people to stop the bleeding, to stabilize and to give people hope and a fighting chance to come back stronger.
That's what doctors do.
And when those who attack science, we serve.
And when those who are attacking the truth seekers who traffic in truth are called, we serve.
thomas renz
I mean what the hell kind of grammar is that?
rob dew
Yeah.
thomas renz
I mean, is she I mean, you talk about a DEI hire?
So that actually I, you know, and I saw that the clip was out there and I didn't I didn't listen to it.
That's the first time I've listened to it because every time I see her, I want to throw up.
rob dew
Right.
thomas renz
Um, you know, here's the thing that I ask myself.
Is she really that stupid?
I mean, she's clearly she sounds like a DEI hire.
She can't she can't even speak English.
Uh at least not any sort of proper English.
Uh but is she that stupid?
Or is she just evil?
And I gotta tell you, the one thing that I've gone back and forth on is that question a lot.
And it's the most difficult question we have to ask ourselves.
Which of these people were truly that stupid?
And which are just evil.
rob dew
No, you want to play that game?
We could play that game.
I'll I'll throw some names out to you and you tell me what you think.
unidentified
Yeah.
rob dew
All right, let's start with the uh let's start with Redfield.
He was uh he was uh what CDC director before Wolinski?
Yeah, what do you think he was?
Because I've I've got a different take, you know, he he's kind of come back around, but what do you think?
He's stupid or evil or just going along to get along.
thomas renz
He's a tough one.
Um I think he I think I'm gonna lean towards stupid.
Um so there's a huge amount, you know.
You think about, and I think about law school, med school's no different, it's a different field.
But you go through law school and you spend three years uh being told that moral relativism is a fact, that the law constitution's a living, breathing uh document, and that you know, basically it's the whim of the judges.
Now, I went I my law's guy had some great uh great people and some great mentors in my law school, but uh there's a lot of that in every law school, right?
So you think about the doctors that are trained not to think, not to do anything anymore, but to basically check boxes and follow orders.
And so you can think of a guy like Redfield who for you know 50 years of his uh life has been told uh you know, hey, vaccines good, vaccines good, vaccines good.
We got a new vaccine to fix this.
You know, maybe he believes that for a while.
And the only reason I'm giving him any benefit of the doubt is that he's come around pretty hard.
That said, uh, if he's that stupid, he still belongs in jail, right?
Because negligent homicide is still homicide.
It's a different, you don't go as jail to jail as long as if you intend to kill somebody, but negligent homicide is still homicide.
And if you're gonna have that kind of position and you're not gonna bother to do your homework or to think, well, then guess what?
And Walinsky's a great example of this.
I mean, I I think she's too stupid.
I I don't know.
I'm like, I can seriously say that I can am concerned about whether she's gonna die because she forgets to breathe.
I think she's that stupid.
But Redfield, uh maybe marginally less stupid, but either he's the stupidest man, one of the stupidest men to ever hold that position, or yeah, he's just playing evil and and you know, ingenious about lying.
But at minimum, negligent homicide at maximum intentional.
rob dew
And and with him, you know, he's walking some stuff back, but he's not he's not naming names.
He's like, I was put on pressure to do this.
I was like, he's he's just saying what he's saying and not implicating anybody to so to me, you know, you gotta you gotta do a little more before you get back in our good graces.
I'll say I'll say Rochelle Walinsky's evil, um, because she she was just so into uh mandates and on and you know, everybody has to be vaccinated or nobody's safe, but putting out those talking points.
Uh let's go with uh Francis Collins.
He was the director of the NIH, head of the NIH.
thomas renz
I think he was evil.
rob dew
Yeah.
thomas renz
Uh just straight up evil.
I mean, listen, it he you look at the way that the NIH manages the studies and the way that they're putting putting things out, you know, Fauci worked directly for him.
Yeah, I listen, I it's it's a stretch for me to think that Redfield didn't know.
Uh I just can't imagine uh the Collins that I he just to me, I I can't if he's that negligent, Then I mean, I just I don't even know what to say about it.
This guy just there's nothing about it that strikes me as authentic.
It just Yeah, I'm I'm leaning evil on that one.
rob dew
And and you can look at his face right there.
I get the camera right in his face.
When uh I forgot about this.
That's crazy.
Yeah, looking right at him.
He's like, oh, oh, I've been caught.
I've been caught.
Oh, geez, I gotta get out of here.
You know, that's funny.
I walked past that guy in the bathroom.
I was walking into the bathroom and he was walking out.
I was I had to wash the barbecue sauce off my hands because we were chowing down.
And uh I walk back, I go, Jones.
I I think I just saw Francis Collins.
Uh he's like, what's awesome?
And he's eating, and I'm like, no, no, wait, he didn't see it.
I said, I think I did, but it was this guy was tall.
I'm like, let me get let me see what his height is.
I'm like, oh, he's six four.
I go, that was definitely Francis Collins.
And so we take off down the airport.
This is, I think we're going to a uh the Tucker Carlson event, and um, and we finally find him at the end of the airport.
If you went to the Austin Airport, it's got two ends, and I saw what direction he was going originally.
And I said he's going down this way, and we've caught him at the last terminal uh at the last gate trying to get on.
And there he is.
And oh, he thinks Alex is a fan in the beginning.
And he's like, Oh, happy to meet you.
And then, oh, yeah, you you kill more people than Hitler.
And he's like, uh, you know, oh wow, I've got one that can see.
And you know, he had a handler with him, was like, Francis, get in, get on here.
You know, they found you.
They found you, and we can't let it happen.
And then the gate agent's like, hi, Alex.
Hi, Alex.
So awesome.
You know, and that was a quick one, but you get to see, you get up close to these people, and you get to see what they're really made of.
That guy is a coward, for one.
And so as a coward wants to do what a what a coward does is, you know, he stands behind these big guards and puts these orders out, but doesn't want to get his hands dirty.
So he was able to just, you know, run around and do all these things and put these mandates together and you know, whatnot.
With him and Fauci, you know, it's just these are you know, Fauci, Bill Gates, I think we could say they're evil.
thomas renz
I don't think there's any question on those two.
rob dew
These these people are definitely evil.
Um, you know, uh, who who else was involved?
It was the Chinese lady who's always on CNN who uh Linda Lena Winsello.
thomas renz
I I think she's absolutely evil.
rob dew
Yeah.
thomas renz
And she's you know, listen, at some point, at some point, so you know, you look at some of the political appointees, that's one uh they're they've got political pressure, but it's a different thing when you're just uh uh a media talking you had that yeah, I don't know.
I guess maybe I shouldn't give anybody the benefit of the doubt on this.
At the end of the day, uh, you know, it I look at well, you know, think about the people that we've lost.
I mean, I'm sure in your life you've you've lost people from this.
I know I have.
rob dew
Yeah.
thomas renz
And uh at the end of the day, you know, how do you feel about the people who are responsible for their death?
And I gotta tell you, it isn't all that loving or all that warm.
Uh, you know, I and I I don't want revenge, but I do want justice.
I just I demand justice.
rob dew
Justice be served of the heavens fall.
We'll be right back.
Second half of our interview with Tom Ren.
Stay tuned.
Welcome back to the war room.
I'm your host, Rob Dew.
There's a good shot of the control room in there.
Everybody humming along printing documents that I asked for during the break.
Uh and I want to get our guest is Tom Renz.
I had all his websites here.
We'll put them up there in a second.
Uh where is it?
See, that's my problem.
I'm not used to doing all this.
There it is.
Tom Rentz.com, Tomrents.com.
And just a crusader from the beginning, going up to Congress, sitting in all these uh meetings that that Ron Johnson, who really is probably the unsung hero of the COVID pandemic on the Senate side, just really doing his best to get the information out, holding, you know, you guys even weren't even in like the main Senate areas.
It would seem to be like it's always some side office somewhere because you know, they probably weren't he had to he had to do this on his own.
It wasn't through the Senate apparatus, but he was still you know intent on getting the truth out.
And so we thank you for all the work you've done in the past.
I want to get to some good news for some things happening.
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Now, back to my guest, Tom Renz.
Uh, there's a lot of victories I think we've had in the last few weeks.
I think we're starting to see some of our hard work come to fruition.
Uh, first thing I want to ask you about is the Grace Act.
And this basically restores religious exemptions to all student vaccination requirements in all 50 states.
Uh, in Texas, you have the conscientious objector or religious exemption.
You could go either way.
And you have to, I don't people probably don't know this, but you go to the health department and you request an affidavit, which says, I don't want my student, they don't need any of these vaccines, and here's my signature, and you got to get it notarized.
And they're only good for a year.
So you got to get, you know, a few at a time.
So they make you jump through some hoops to do it.
But some states like West Virginia, you have no exemptions.
You go to a school in West Virginia, you're getting all the shots no matter what.
So, what do you think of this GRACE Act?
Do you think it's going to work?
Do you think it's going to pass?
What's what's your opinion on it right now?
thomas renz
Well, whether it passes, I don't know.
I love that it's out there.
And I love uh what's it Congressman Stewy that did it?
rob dew
Yeah, it's his.
thomas renz
Yeah.
So kudos to him for doing it.
Uh, you know, listen, it's it's probably got a shot.
It's pretty limited.
Uh, I mean, obviously the the chab poison makers will will oppose it.
And so it's hard to get anything through.
And he couldn't have done more, I don't think, to have any chance of passing it, but it's very limited, right?
So it's very limited to religious exemptions.
Now, understand under the law, we've got the First Amendment, and then we also have something called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
So it's one of the very few constitutional rights to be bolstered in terms of how it's to be interpreted by the courts with specific legislation.
And that legislation says that the strict scrutiny has to be applied to any uh impediment to your faith.
Now, I gotta be honest with you.
I don't see a way on this planet that that they can justify removing religious exemptions, but they have.
I mean, there's a lot of stupid interpretations from the courts and stupid things that have happened.
So this is that makes this necessary.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
It's a win that it's out there, and I'm praying that it gets passed, and I support it 100%.
I would love it to be more robust.
The question is, why do we have to have vaccine mandates at all?
Think about this, and let me ask this question.
If a vaccine keeps me safe from an illness, why'd I care if you've Got it, right?
There's literally no justification to mandate a vaccine ever.
Because if it keeps you safe, then why do you care if I've got it?
I don't need to get it.
You get it.
Go get 10 of them.
You want to get 14 boosters and give yourself cancer and keel over?
By all means, go ahead.
You've got the right to be an idiot.
I don't need to get a jab of any type to protect you.
It's not, it makes no sense.
The only reason that that could ever make sense is if they don't work, which we all know they don't.
So at the end of the day, um, I love that this is here.
I'm hoping it passes.
I support it 100%.
I wish it was more robust.
But the most important question we have to ask ourselves is why is it necessary?
And one thing that I really do wish across the board, Maha and our supporters, we're so happy for breadcrumbs that we're never actually shooting for them for the goal.
Listen, how about this?
How about we make all the vaccines illegal until such time as they are given placebo controlled trials?
rob dew
Right.
thomas renz
Gold standard.
How about we just ban them all?
No one will even say that.
In fact, I am certain that for saying that, someone will say I'm a radical extremist, I'm a nutbag anti-vaxxer.
Yeah, I am now a radical anti-vaxxer.
Do you know why?
Because I've done my homework.
I found out that there are no vaccines that have ever had a truly proper gold standard clinical controlled trial versus placebo.
Not one of the vaccines on the schedule, not one of them has properly been tested.
So yeah, I'm an anti-vaxxer now.
And in 2019, I was a pro-vaxxer.
The change was because I found the fraud that they committed with COVID.
And because I found that fraud, I did my homework and found out guess what?
The whole vaccine industry's fraud.
Everything from big pharma's fraud.
Uh, I fought cancer in my family.
Guess what?
I found out all the cancer stuff is fraud.
I can't find anything pharma's doing that isn't fraud.
I can't find anything.
rob dew
Yeah, exactly.
And and you look at uh, and I agree with you there too, but uh I've been an anti-vaxxer for a long time.
Um since before I even had kids, and I had to go in.
My wife was like kind of, well, they tell us these are safe and effective.
You know, she listens, no one is safe to everyone is safe.
She was listening to that at the time.
And I had to go in and argue with the doctor.
And I brought in a bunch of uh articles and studies and vaccine inserts and things that I had collected throughout the years.
And I was able to talk my doctor, well, you looks like you've done all your research is at the at the end of the meeting, but I literally she's and I commend the doctor for at least coming in there and and you know, humoring me.
I know she was always going to be pro-vaxx, and she was always going to recommend them, but I kept showing her study after study, and I think at some point she's like, Well, I'm not even gonna bother with these people anymore.
They're not gonna get their vaccines like like a good little, like a good little citizen.
Uh, but here that I didn't know.
Yeah, you know, it and the only reason I knew is because I was listening to InfoWars and some of the guests Alex had on at the time, you know, back in the early, the late uh 90s and the early 2000s.
I mean, I was consuming this stuff, and I was just like, wow, we're not getting the full truth out there.
And then I remember when I was uh uh I think before I went to I I worked on a ski resort in Switzerland back, you know, during college.
I took a semester off.
And they, you know, they recommended you go get a hepatitis A vaccine.
My mom's like, oh, you need to go get it.
You need to go get it.
And I remember I went and got it.
And that night I had a terrible headache and I slept like crap, and I remember, and I didn't really think of it that that was a vaccine.
I thought I was getting sick, but it was right before the trip, about a week, and I was supposed to go somewhere with some friends and I couldn't go out.
I didn't feel good.
So I'm like, man.
And then years later, I'm thinking about that, and I'm like, I wonder if that was a stupid vaccine that I took, this hepatitis A vaccine, and it's probably got all kinds of crap in it that I don't want in my body when when you actually look at what's in it.
But we have uh DeSantis here to end all vaccine mandates in Florida.
This is a big win.
Then this is what you want to see nationwide, right here.
thomas renz
Yeah, huge.
There should be no mandates.
And uh, you know, I'm gonna go all in.
I'm just gonna say that honestly, uh the FDA's job is to ensure the safety and efficacy of the things that are on the market, right?
So let me let me put this out to you.
Let me be radical here and just give Peter Peter Hotes a stroke.
rob dew
Yeah.
thomas renz
Uh Think about this.
We have, you know, uh all sorts of government uh regulatory bodies that protect us, right?
You have to have labels and warning labels.
I mean, you got to put a warning label on a pillow, I think at this point.
I mean, you know, your plastic bags, hey, don't put this over your head.
There has to be a warning label.
rob dew
Well, there's cancer warnings on almost everything because of California.
California makes a law that says almost everything causes cancer.
So you have to put that on almost everything out there.
thomas renz
Yeah, we've idiot proofed our world, right?
We've and and for good reason.
Now think about this.
You gotta put you got to put a warning sign on a plastic bag that says, don't put this over your head.
But the FDA is approving drugs with no trials, no safety trials, no efficacy trials.
All the trials were against previous versions.
There, there were literally issues with every single thing.
I went through every trial I could find on vaccines and could not find one that didn't have an issue.
And uh you you go through this and you say, well, wait a second.
If the law is that they're supposed to ensure that these things are safe and effective, well, the law hasn't been met once, not once.
So I would argue that there is not a single vaccine on the market that has been properly vetted that should remain on the market.
I think they should not only be not mandated, I think they should be pulled from the market until such time is there are true safety and efficacy tests.
Uh, I think there should be safety and efficacy tests regarding uh mixing vaccines.
You know, what if you take more than one at one at a time?
What happens then?
What happens, you know, with the way if you got active ingredients from stuff?
Of course that can have an impact on your body.
What what testing has there been done?
Let's took it, look at shedding studies.
Look at studies for, you know, I mean, we have not even come close to doing our job on this.
The FDA and HHS across the board has historically been one of the most corrupt regulatory bodies in the entire US government.
And, you know, I I think we not only need to remove mandates of all types, I think that we seriously need to look.
I mean, again, Maha looks for crumbs.
I'm asking for the whole enchilada.
rob dew
You want the stuff?
thomas renz
Let's pull these until there's a study.
rob dew
Yeah.
thomas renz
I want the whole thing.
Yep.
rob dew
Yep.
I haven't got Grok to admit the revolving door.
Somebody was arguing with me on X about, you know, there, oh, there's no collusion with the CDC and FDA.
I said, Grok, tell tell me who used to work at the CDC and then went to work for big pharma or big pharma to to the CDC or FDA.
A list of like 12 people right there.
And that's just in the last 20 years.
So and it starts off, then that's what happens.
These people go in, they learn the system, they learn the system of government, and then they come out as a valuable commodity to these big drug companies.
They know the ins and outs of how to get something approved.
They know all the back doors.
They know all the things to say to get things approved, or the things not to say to get approved.
So it to them, it's great.
Um, you know, it's a great, it's a winfall with what they get from working in the government.
You know, work like a pauper for a few years, then you get a job that you know, you're making eight figures.
And uh, you know, who cares if you kill some kids because they're not your kids because you're not getting your kids vaccinated.
Uh, we did have another victory.
Uh former CDC respiratory disease director, Dimitri Daskalakis, who uh dresses up like he's a member of the satanic village people.
Um, you know, he some of these pictures of this guy are insane.
And uh, you know, he doesn't want to be associated with the CDC because he doesn't like the direction it's going in.
There's no um what do they say?
He said there's no communication, things were just getting thrown down.
Basically, didn't like what RFK Jr. was doing, so he's gonna leave.
Um, although he's having it seems to be having trouble getting the CDC director to leave, even though she's been fired.
But we're seeing people jump ship, but I don't think they're jumping ship because of RFK.
I mean, I think there's something coming down the pipe.
What what do you think is coming down the pipe that uh is about to be disclosed?
thomas renz
Well, I mean, listen, Bobby said he was coming out with autism studies.
He said he's coming out with all this different data.
You know, it looks like we saw some preliminary releases of some different things that are coming out, and we're hearing a lot of rumors.
Uh, we're seeing more and more people being fired.
Uh yeah, listen, we're gonna have the this this bomb drop.
My prediction, and we also know, and listen, I'm not excited about this, but they're working on a new universal vaccine platform.
Now, this is something that is not a win, and I'm gonna tell you a little bit about this.
And our side, I don't like this.
So we the Trump's uh order, his executive order on gain of function did not stop gain of function.
It regulated it and brought it on shore.
What that means is that we are now doing gain of function in this country.
Now, if you know what the C what HHS is doing, what they've told Trump they want to do, one of the things that they've convinced Trump is that with AI in the next few years, they'll be able to take your genetic data, they'll be able to feed it to AI, and essentially, based on that genetic data, they'll be able to create a digital doppelganger of you that they can then use and test these various vaccines and therapies and to see how they work based on your genetic makeup.
Now, that may sound like science fiction to everybody, but I was just in DC.
They're in the process of building this.
It's gonna happen.
So, and we're only a we're a year or two out from this.
We're not we're not a long ways away.
So my question would be: why wouldn't we ban gain of function entirely if we can if we can run this as a simulation?
Let's ban that entirely.
No bring it on shore, don't regulate it, shut it down.
I don't need anybody making a new disease or making a new poison.
If if our AI is sufficiently advanced to essentially test an entire drug on an entire human doppelganger, then you got to understand we don't need to, we don't need any of this nonsensical gain of function work.
Now, I will tell you that in fairness, I don't trust the AI as far as I can throw it.
The AI is going to be the next and the biggest.
I'm doing a lot of work in AI, and it is corrupt, it is evil, it is dangerous.
Uh, we we really need to talk about AI a lot more.
But we're talking the problem is is in this case, we're talking out both sides of our mouth.
We have a push to have AI-based medicine that's sufficiently advanced to be able to, you know, uh create uh create a digital doppelganger of an entire human and then test it on it, but apparently it's not sufficiently advanced to model something as basic as a virus or a bacteria.
rob dew
Yeah, exactly.
But we're gonna trust it because everybody says, oh, AI's great, uh, except AI makes all these mistakes constantly.
Uh black males.
Uh it was funny because we have, you know, this the Owen Schreuer controversy going on.
Um, but Grok was commenting on the Friday show that I hosted, was talking about how Owen was hosting it and how people thought it was weird, he was acting weird, but he didn't even host it.
And but that you know, Grok doesn't know that.
So Grok, you know, it's just like, well, I thought this AI is supposed to be all-knowing.
The AI could have gone and looked at the the video and watched the video known it wasn't uh Owen Schreuer.
But yeah, uh, I'd I agree with you.
Why bring this stuff?
It got banned under Obama.
They were doing it in uh Chapel Hill, uh, at least with the coronavirus.
Ralph Barrick was doing gain of function uh and they moved it offshore, which was a way almost who couldn't, and I could see maybe Trump's thinking of, well, we don't want China doing it and then releasing stuff on the world, because that's probably what he was told that China was doing it, even though it was our stuff.
We were funding it, we were running it through uh the Eco Health Alliance.
We were given that's how they were getting the money.
And so, but you had all these different ways that it was the show game of well, we're not directly funding it, we're giving money to the Eco Health Alliance, who's then giving the money to them.
So, you know, it's not us, it's it couldn't be us.
It's like USAID.
Just another form of it.
thomas renz
No, well, USAID was part of it.
I mean, if you look at because we uh I broke all the data on that, right?
So we we broke that.
We actually sent the reports to Congress in 2022 before the midterms.
And uh I wasn't supposed to know this, but we had some leakers, some congressional staff members who who called me and told me that the Republicans had a meeting and decided to bury the COVID origins in 2022 because they thought it was too hot for the midterms.
rob dew
Wow.
thomas renz
So uh I've got the, I mean, it's it was well known, it's well documented.
I mean, it's very clear we sent the stuff.
And so we had we broke all that stuff back then.
And probably I think pretty sure we broke a lot of it here on InfoWars.
But uh, you know, it was it was all well known what was happening.
And it wasn't just Eco Health Alliance and USAID wasn't separate.
USAID was largely controlled by CIA.
We saw uh CIA is hand handiworking this all across the board.
This was an intelligence operation.
We we had we knew what we were doing.
We sent them the data.
It was funded through the military industrial complex.
It was funded through uh USAID.
It was funded through, I mean, Eco Health Alliance was involved.
Um, you know, I there was a ton of stuff involved.
And in fact, Hunter Biden through uh Rosemont Seneca was invested in one of the companies that was involved in the project that apparently created COVID.
So there's a legitimate question to be asked, and I don't know why the Republicans won't investigate this as to whether or not Hunter Biden made any money off the creation of COVID, because it was absolutely creative.
We have all the data.
We know now what happened.
They just won't investigate it properly.
And uh, you know, but they won't do it in part because our data indicates that the COVID vaccines were actually created at the same time they were creating the COVID bioweapon, which is standard protocol.
I you know, I I brought and I actually testified, I put my name on a declaration under penalty of perjury and then testified under in Congress under uh Marjorie Taylor Green's hearing that uh we I have the I have medical records of a soldier who received on on five different uh occasions received the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine in 2015.
I've got the medical records.
So how did he file what there were five errors that said Moderna COVID-19 vaccine and 2015 when it didn't exist?
And of course they weren't errors.
rob dew
Moderna had filed for a patent then, or was that didn't they follow?
Did they file for it in 2016 or 2015?
Or was it earlier?
thomas renz
I would I would have to look.
I mean, there was a bunch of patents related to it, but uh oh, you're talking about the uh the the genetic sequence.
I'd uh I'd have to double check to see what year that was.
But I mean, you know, they did a study on what you're talking about there, that genetic sequence.
Yeah, it was it was one in a trillion or something that was was uh identical.
rob dew
Well, yeah, that whole thing they were working on.
I think they were gonna get Hillary Clinton in, then have a new pandemic, this pandemic, which is going to be COVID-19, so they're testing it out.
And then boom, we're gonna run this, we're gonna lock down the whole country.
And and instead they got Trump, who kind of like he he kind of went with half their plan, didn't go with the whole plan, and it was bumpy.
But a lot of Americans were able to figure out stuff uh going along, uh you know, how it progressed.
But now we have his tweet on September 1st.
We got a couple minutes left.
I want you to comment on this his tweet where he's finally there's some cracks in the dam with his warp speed talking about it being brilliant.
But I hope Operation Warf was brilliant, as many said as was.
If not, we all want to know about it and why.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
So I mean, are do you see this as a positive development in five and kind of Trump's you know, fourth Reich advance of warp speed being the greatest thing ever?
thomas renz
Yeah, I think it's one of the most profound advancements ever, and I think we can thank Bobby for that.
I mean, listen, at the end of the day, yeah, I've looked at this.
There, there is one credible mechanism to challenge the COVID vaccines in court right now, and my cost to file the case would be six million dollars.
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That's if I charged zero for it, it'd be my costs.
thomas renz
So there's really no way to do anything with this in court unless Trump lets them do what they're doing, which it appears he is.
Now, if Bobby keeps putting out information, if we keep seeing this new stuff, the cost to litigate this goes way down, and the because it opens up new ways to litigate it, new causes of action, new different things.
So what I you know, people say, well, file a suit.
There is no suit to file.
There is no good suit.
I can file crap suits.
I mean, there's a lot of crapsuits that keep getting thrown out.
But as Bobby's coming in, we're seeing more suits that can work and that will work because by uh what he's putting out there.
So I think this is huge.
Um, if Trump is willing to open the door and let Bobby do what he does, it'll be game-changing.
And uh, you know, if we can really get to the to the accountability side of this, that's I mean, that's that's it.
Then at that point we've got a future.
rob dew
Or it's gonna happen again.
I mean, that's at the end of the day.
If we don't stop them here, then five years from now, we'll be looking at the same thing, the same playbook.
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Thank you for coming on and uh it was a great interview.
Appreciate it.
thomas renz
Thanks, brother.
rob dew
All right.
We'll be right back with Joe Biggs.
That's right.
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Uh, because I got my guest here, my good friend Joe Biggs, who was a political prisoner.
Um member of the Proud Boys, former member of InfoWars, a reporter here, have gone on many adventures with him.
Um God, I remember going to El Paso with you, and we were just watching the border patrol leave gates open and not watching, you know, different border crossings, and people were just you know, kind of coming here and there, and it was uh it was crazy and interviewing border patrol uh vice president.
Yeah, oh yeah.
And then uh didn't you dress that you were dressed up as an ISIS jihadi and and ran across the river holding a head, a severed head.
joe biggs
You know, with one of those like Arabic looking swords.
rob dew
Yeah, you know.
joe biggs
I was like, I'm gonna get shot, but luckily they're like too busy playing angry birds and watching that.
rob dew
Yeah, they're in their air conditioning cars, you know, because any any time that's that's the one thing you hear them cars always running, you know, they're running hot air conditioning and uh to stay cool because it is hot at the border.
Let me tell you, it's very very hot, dusty place.
So, Biggs, how you doing?
Um how's freedom treating you?
Or are you do you feel like you've uh reinvigorated yourself back into uh society?
Are you finding your place?
What is going on with you right now?
joe biggs
Yeah, I'm doing it much better.
I've I've been spending a lot of time putting a studio together.
Um, you know, it takes time working through a lot of the stuff that you go through, especially when they put you in solitary confinement.
Um it kind of you know, it deteriorates uh your mind, and you've got to learn to kind of find yourself again and build yourself back up.
So, you know, I'm back in a gym, I'm healthy, I'm working out almost twice a day.
Um, I mean, I was up at 6 a.m. this morning kicking my own ass.
So, you know, I'm getting out there and I'm trying to get my mind right.
Um, you know, my my outlook on life has gotten a lot better, you know.
But it just takes time and I've been patient.
I haven't been trying to rush stuff too much.
Uh, and I appreciate everyone's love and support through that that process.
But I'm ready to get back to work and I'm ready to do the stuff that I love to do.
And um, I'm excited to see what the future holds.
Um, you know, and and uh I'm ready to kick this off.
You know, we've uh we've been taking the fight to the government.
Me and my uh my Proud Boy brothers.
Uh, you know, we sued the DOJ for tons of wrongdoing that they've done.
And the DOJ has the audacity to uh you know file a dismissal.
So we are in response to that right now.
Um, and we're trying to battle that out.
We're hoping that a judge will, you know, let this continue so we can get into the discovery phase.
Once that happens, I think we're gonna be doing pretty good.
Um, but there was a lot of wrongdoing.
I mean, that trial was a uh it was a mess.
And I mean, you know, when you watch TV and you look at the court system through the eyes of you know, television, things like that.
You've never been through the ringer like that.
You've never seen um an indictment with the United States versus your name.
Um, that's when things get real.
And when you sit in that courtroom, you think that you're in a place that's looking for the truth that the Department of Justice and these judges are here during this trial to find out the truth of what happened that day.
But that is not the case.
That is a place where there's no cameras allowed because they're there to frame you for a narrative that they've created.
They've spun up out of thin air.
I don't know how many people I met in prison that should not have been in prison that have been in there for 30 plus years for crimes they didn't commit, and it was in the paperwork.
I could see it.
The judges were lazy or corrupt, didn't like the fact that you know this person just they just didn't like them, so they let him go to jail forever.
Um, so there's a lot of things that need to be discussed um with the DOJ and with how they they deal with things because that that courtroom it's Frightening when you sit there and you're there for six months.
It was the longest trial in DC history.
It was the longest jury selection in DC history.
And we had the most discovery ever in a in a trial.
rob dew
And trying to get an unbelievable jury in DC has got to be, you know, that's gonna be hard with all the propaganda going on because they were using that insurrection one from the day.
We're coming right back.
Uh, we're gonna keep you uh uh until the end of the show.
Except I got a uh uh I'll you know, I'll tell people on the other side of the break, but we got more with Joe Biggs coming up.
All right, bringing us in with some old school Metallica back when they were still cool.
You're watching the war room.
I'm your host Rob Dew.
We got Joe Biggs was laying out kind of a broad spectrum of of what we're gonna cover.
Um, at the end of the hour, though, we're gonna I'm gonna break off about 13, 14 minutes before the end of the hour, and we're gonna play this um Francis Dr. Frank Professor Francis Boyle kind of compilation because um a retired farmer executive just came out and said he was about to testify against Bill Gates and Albert Borla and uh in a Dutch court on the COVID shots, and then he dies.
And you know, he had been teaching, he was in great health, and boom, out of the blue.
And we had him on a lot.
This guy was uh telling us everything about COVID back in 2020 of early February.
So we're gonna get into that at the end of the hour.
We'll just let that run out for the show, and then we'll be back tomorrow.
But right now we got Joe Biggs.
Um, Joe, I'm gonna start with this because I think this is the biggest thing.
Uh you sent us a tweet that's dated today, September 3rd from William Taylor, retired FBI.
FBI J6 constant constitutional abuses.
The FBI obtained financial records for people who donated to the J6 legal defense funds.
They obtained it through the people who donated uh who donated to help the families of those arrested.
They subpoenaed donor name, credit card used, IP address, email, and more.
They didn't stop there, they obtained all payments that the donor made to anyone or any company using that payment processor.
And they used this information to identify the donors' bank accounts and allow the FBI to subpoena additional records.
So just want abuse, whatever the FBI wanted to do.
Oh, because these people were giving money to people who they thought were wrong.
So now you can't even help people out who have been wronged.
You're gonna get an investigation from the FBI.
So is this something you guys have been finding in uh or that you want to find out more about in Discovery or what is the uh Yeah, we're gonna dig into to a lot of this stuff.
joe biggs
But I mean, it's interesting.
Go back and look at what was it during those BLM riots?
Who was belling people out?
Who was helping them out?
It was Kamala Harris, it was LeBron Shames, it was all these people out there, and these were legitimate domestic terrorists who were burning down cities and nothing, assaulting people and nothing.
And they created millions and millions upon millions of dollars of destruction all across the United States.
Um, never once did DC have to board their windows up when the Proud Boys came to town.
Not never once did Portland have to board things up.
No, they always had to do it because of their own internal problem, and that would be Antifa and/or BLM.
You know, these people were left unchecked for so long, and that's kind of what gave rise to the Proud Boys, and that's what you know.
It's sad that a bunch of you know, autistic guys that are basically retarded who can't even get a taco bell order right with a large group, uh, you know, are being accused of somehow trying to seditiously conspire to overthrow the U.S. government without any guns with no guns, yeah.
With no guns.
rob dew
Well, magic wands, what are you gonna use?
I mean, what?
joe biggs
You know, they they they teach classes about me in colleges now about um you know, soldiers that become radicalized and can be and can become domestic terrorists.
You know, it's it's it's it's hilarious because you know these guys were given the reign.
They they were given in control, the the DOJ controlled the media and let them spin a narrative so insane and so out of this world that it just brainwashed people and these uh so many people believed it.
They believed that we literally sat there and conspired to overthrow the government.
The only reason the things happened that day happened that day was because A, there were agitators in the crowd who I believe were part of a DOD group um that helped dismantle that uh The fences and all the breaches.
Um, and then the police fired into the crowd that was peaceful sitting there.
I saw police officers mollywapping, knocking out women, and that pissed off the young men in the crowd.
And that's when fights ensued.
Um, and then that's what they show you.
The footage always just happened to start right when there's an instance where it looks like the cops were a victim that day, but they were the ones that were uh instigating.
You know, police officers are supposed to do what?
They're supposed to de-escalate that.
They're supposed to be trained in de-escalation tactics.
They're weren't under that being, there was nothing like that being used that day.
They were there for all out war.
rob dew
Yeah, we've seen the videos of them talking about, oh, shoot more in, shoot more in.
They're shooting pepper spray, they're shooting rubber bullets in, shooting people in the face with rubber bullets, which you're not supposed to do at all.
joe biggs
And yeah, there was a guy who had a hole right through his cheeks, which bleeding out all over the place.
rob dew
Yep.
joe biggs
Um, they they shot flashbangs into an older gentleman's uh face.
I believe he ended up having a heart attack and dying.
He's one of the four people that died that day.
rob dew
They pushed the guy, you know, Roseanne's bullet.
The stairwell.
joe biggs
I actually saw that in person.
rob dew
Yeah.
Yeah, I saw him carrying the guy out.
Uh, they used a bike rack as a stretcher to carry the guy out.
joe biggs
See, I helped I helped get that bike rack.
And you know what the DOJ said in my trial that I was dismantling the fence so rioters could get up there to the wall.
No, we were trying to make a stretcher to get the guy that the cops pushed off.
rob dew
They were already.
joe biggs
And I saw him push the guy.
And when the cop looked over and he saw what he did, he goes like this, then looks at his partner, and they both took off and ran and left.
rob dew
Yeah.
joe biggs
Because they knew they did something wrong.
rob dew
They don't want to get out of their badge and and get him.
And they had guys, yeah, go ahead.
joe biggs
We cleared out the way, like me and other Proud Boys and other people out that day.
We cleared a path so the EMTs could get there and start working on that guy that had been pushed and fell.
You know, but they they they would they took every single innocent thing that we did and they they tried to find a way to demonize it.
They try to find out a way that they could spin it and make it look a certain way like we were doing stuff.
They would deceptively edit these videos where the fence first goes down it each time.
Ray Fs is there.
But they would blur out the video and then show where it goes down in front of me and see, oh, well, there's just happens to be a glitch, but look, it goes down here.
I'm like, yeah, let's let's show the real version of trial.
rob dew
Here's a picture.
Here's a picture of the Proud Boys all standing together in a group.
And that's uh let's uh here they are planning.
And it's like, no, this is what guys do when they get together for any type of event.
And this was an event that people were going there to protest.
Well, people thought was a uh theft of the election, and that's gonna turn out to be right eventually.
We know that's gonna happen eventually.
We're not gonna stop till it happens.
But all these different things, it's like, oh no, they were in a group together.
Oh, they had a meeting under a uh in a parking garage.
Oh, they were roaming the streets.
They weren't roaming the streets, they were walking around protecting old ladies, old men, children from getting jumped by Antifa because every other event that had there was two other events that happened before that, every time Antifa were out there.
I know one of your guys who who eventually be, I guess became an informant for the government, got stabbed in one of these events.
He got uh he got stabbed.
Now he's coming out saying, Hey, I was coerced to say that these guys were planning something.
I really didn't, you know, they probably gave him the third degree.
And it sucks that you got people in that who you think are, you know, uh your brothers in arms, and then at some point they have a weakness too.
Um, but the government was being predatory and was going after people.
Hey, you want 50 years or you want five years?
What do you want?
You know, yeah.
joe biggs
So what they did is they found anybody with a weakness.
rob dew
Yeah.
joe biggs
And what they did is when they went to Jeremy Bertino's house, um, they found out that he was a felon and he was in possession of weapons.
Um, so that's a pretty hefty fine because I believe it's a certain amount of years per weapon that's found, and he was looking at about 20 years right there off the bat.
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Um ahead and start having to deal with J6.
joe biggs
Exactly.
So he already had that on top of what he would have got.
So, you know, during the trial, the FBI came out and they lied.
They said that, you know, they're supposed to disclose how many times they have meetings with uh a source like that, a confidential, whatever they want to call it, you know, someone that they flipped.
Well, they said in trial that they only met with him three times.
In actuality, uh Bertito has come forward uh with a signed appidavit and been deposed by an actual uh, you know, someone who does this professionally, a lawyer who uh does these kind of uh recants and on camera has said that he actually met with them 15 times and they were sitting him down and doing extensive training on how to coach him to speak a right way, to to not look like he's you know uh you know shamed for sitting there lying in front of us.
And by the time he got on stage, I mean it was the most cold thing I've ever seen anyone do.
This this guy was so good at telling a lie that he looked at us in the eyes and said, I love these guys, and that's why I'm up here, you know.
But he's he loved us, but he's making the story up.
Yeah, you know, I mean, and we saw the first three videos, the the only ones that we thought of in trial, and he's going, No, there's no plan.
No, there's no plan.
That's ridiculous.
We can't even get you know a fast food order straight.
Um, but then as as they the meetings progress, and the more time they push uh, you know, on them, hey, you're looking at 20 plus years, plus seditious conspiracy, all this stuff, you ain't getting out for a long time.
Well, he decided to change the story, and that's when they started working on him.
And uh, you know, it's it's it's a sad thing to see because you know now you're looking at conspiracy to perjure or whatever is that, whatever that's called.
So, you know, yeah, the FBI in on that, Nicole Miller, um, all these other guys.
And even in the trial as well, they leaked accidentally.
They said internal emails, the FBI did, um, and a discovery drop to us.
And they were plotting and planning.
They were scared when we first announced that we were gonna go to trial.
They were scared because they said they didn't have anything.
rob dew
Yeah, we don't have a case.
We we don't have a case thing.
There is no case.
It's guys walking around.
Um, you know, the the only reason anybody's prepared for any type of physical altercation was for Antifa, who had been there the last two times, and they sneak attack people.
They come at you, hit try to hit you in the back of the head with a skateboard.
I mean, these people aren't.
joe biggs
Yeah, we've had a we you know, we've had a Proud Boy member standing out in front of a restaurant, um, I believe in Portland, smoking a cigarette, and an Antifa member got in his car, cranked it up and drove into him.
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Jesus.
joe biggs
Put him in a coma.
rob dew
Yeah.
joe biggs
We had another one that was shot and killed.
rob dew
Yeah.
joe biggs
Right there in the street.
The guy hidden alleyway and came out and killed him.
rob dew
Yeah.
joe biggs
You know, so they're a real threat, but for some reason the FBI and the DOJ under the Biden administration was far more concerned with us.
rob dew
Right.
Yeah.
They were.
And why?
Because what you guys were doing was protecting the First Amendment.
Uh, because you know, I guess Proud Boys started off as kind of like a drinking club that Gavin McGinnis started.
And then at what point did they start going, hey, we're we're gonna run security for these uh these conservative groups who can't, who the cops aren't protecting, cops aren't doing anything, cops aren't doing their job.
They're just standing down and letting these mobs run over these speakers who are just there to talk to uh college students.
joe biggs
Yeah, we started seeing videos and stuff of these Trump rallies when they were first starting to kick off.
Um I vaguely remember it was one of the videos this woman was being hit in the face with eggs and things like that.
rob dew
Yeah.
joe biggs
Um, then we would see these different groups uh approach people with Trump hats on MAGA hats on at night having dinner with their family and being assaulted and screamed at and cussed, and there's little kids sitting there at the table, and you know, and a lot of guys at that time were like, look, we're a bunch of grown men, we're six and tired of what we're seeing.
The police aren't doing anything, nobody's doing anything.
Why don't we go out there and stand up and just kind of like create a buffer zone so these individuals can go and see a presidential candidate that they're interested in uh voting for um and let these people go through the process.
You know, the left care so much about democracy, but they it's not when it's uh you know, to vote for someone that they don't like, you know.
So if you're going against their grain, it's all they're all about violence.
They love calling for violence, they're all about you know, screaming and saying that we should all be attacked and you know, put down on the ground, you know, what's her name that looks like uh alien, predator or whatever.
Uh Maxine uh Waters.
I mean, she's done that numerous times, all these people.
So it's you know, it's it's it's insane.
There's such a double standard in this country, and we're still seeing it in a lot of aspects of stuff, but you know, the swamp is it's deep and it's gonna take some time.
You know, we're only what seven months into this administration, eight months an hour, nine months now, I guess.
Well damn.
Yeah, uh, you know, it's still gonna take some time, you know, and it's a lot to go.
rob dew
It definitely is.
We do have I I think you know, one of the biggest things we gotta have some patience.
Um I do want to see indictments coming.
Um that's the big thing that I'm waiting for.
And I want to see it for for a lot of things.
I want to see it for COVID.
I want to see it for the election.
I want to see it for uh for J6, the J6 bomber.
I mean, they can they can track everybody who could who donated to uh the Proud Boys Defense Fund.
They could track all their bank account information.
They could get all these people, they could track everybody's cell phone who was in or and around J6.
Oh, but we're gonna release two frames per second horrible video going we can't identify this bomber when and that was fake.
And then it came out like, oh no, it's actually 60 frames a second.
It looks great.
You can see all how they're moving exactly.
And there's a lot of debate on whether it was actually a woman and not even a man, you know, but but we still don't know who the bomber is.
joe biggs
I think I think you're right, though.
I think what people are most upset about, it's not just let's say the Epstein files per se, but it's the fact that we know that crimes have been committed.
You know, look, when January 6th happened on January 20th, the day Biden took office, I was arrested.
That was day one.
That what that was within an hour of Biden swearing in, the FBI coming to get me.
You know, so I keep hearing, I keep hearing people going, Well, it takes time, it takes time.
And it's like, well, it didn't take them time.
I mean, they were able to start doing mass arrests extremely quickly, and I think that's what has a lot of the American people frustrated that we know crimes have been committed by people high up in this government, and we are not seeing anything.
We're only getting excuses.
We're we're, you know, it's getting lost on Pam Bondy's desk, and we're wanting to know when it's gonna happen, but everyone keeps saying TikTok, TikTok, it's coming.
Well, I'm tired of hearing TikTok.
I want to hear lock block.
I want to see, I want to see the fear in some of these people's eyes that they try to put through us, you know.
Some of these people need to go to prison.
They need to understand what that's like.
And uh, it'll change your man.
Those kind of people, I guarantee you are gonna cuck and run and be scared.
They won't make it through that.
Um, but you know, it didn't break us, and we came out stronger.
But you know, there's a rest out there that need to happen.
rob dew
Big deal.
joe biggs
COVID, Epstein, all this stuff, you know, all these different uh things that happened under Obama, the Clintons, I don't know why Clinton's getting a free pass.
But uh, you know, this country needs to get back on track, and we need to stop having this double standard.
You know, it's the left could get away with whatever they want.
The right always says they're gonna punish people, but they never do.
We need to start actually enforcing the law on some of these people.
rob dew
Yeah, I I totally agree.
Uh, here's here's a stuff there's a story out of it, just reminded me of a story that came out on InfoWars earlier today.
Trump administration calls congressional support for Representative Massey's pretend petition to release Epstein files a hostile act.
So I'm like, come on, guys, get your head out of your asses, read the room.
People want to see these people go to prison.
You can't protect them.
I'm sorry.
You're not gonna be able to protect these people any longer.
I don't care who they are.
If they were guilty of screwing young kids young girls, um, they need to go to prison.
If they were guilty of creating some sort of weird uh, you know, disease factory and and funding it and then uh putting this vaccine on the world, they need to go to prison and lying to the Americans.
If they're guilty of uh uh screwing with the 2020 election and ordering all these ballots and shipping them all over the place with the mail in ballots, these people need to go to prison.
And that's the only way things are gonna change.
joe biggs
I mean, I want to see my orchestra jail.
I want to know why the border was left wide open and why border patrol agents were essentially given stand down orders.
I want to know why all these people were allowed to come in and flood our country so the Democrats could get you know these fake votes off of people.
I want to know, I want justice for all these people who've been murdered by people who should have never been here who are on deep uh deportation orders to go back to their country because they were violent, murderous sex offenders.
Um, so it's a lot of heads that need to roll, and I'm hoping that some point in time the DOJ is gonna do their job, but at the end of the day, I don't know.
It's like they seem more concerned about people like you and I and the people that watch this show than they are about the real criminals out there that are looking to put you in the ground.
rob dew
Well, and that tells you we're we're over the target when we're being looked at.
And you know, we didn't even know this till earlier this year that they had been looking at Alex Jones since 2013, December 2013.
They identified him as a uh white extremist, and they had a rolling investigation that just continued and continued, but uh it allowed them to open different doors once you have these keys.
It's like, oh, now you can do this.
You can have people we can send informants in.
You know, we had probably informants working here.
We don't know how many because we don't have the numbers, but working here at InfoWars or approaching us from the outside, and we had no idea who they were and we might not ever know you know and that's the scary part that they can come to a news organization they're so afraid of a news organization that in 2013 they have to come when did you come in here like 2016 2014 yeah so it was right after you got here um you know who knows what the hell's going on anywhere um you sent me this this
Wikipedia on the intelligence support activity the ISA and you're saying the this was the group that was actually coming after you guys so it's this special operation forces mission outfit um I guess through the United States Army but and they were created I guess under the Reagan administration but I what what caught what turned you on to this as uh a group that that was coming after you guys how did you find out about this?
joe biggs
So there's another reporter and a few other whistleblowers that I've spoken to, and I've gotten more confirmation with other people.
But this group, they go by the activity or TFO Task Force Orange.
They are one of the most secret DOD groups there is.
They are.
They are.
How do you put it?
More elite and intelligence gathering than, you know, the SEALs or any other group, Delta Force.
These guys, a lot of them have what's called like human intelligence training.
So they have this human training.
They go to the farm, which is CIA.
They learn a lot of their tradecraft there, and then they can be used here domestically.
And a lot of people I've talked to believe that they were behind a lot of the ops on January 6th that day.
And they were out there in the field, undercover, inciting, pushing people to get them to do that.
And this was all pretty much under from what I...
I hear the command of General Milley.
rob dew
Of course, General Milley.
But it says here, air assault, congested on human and covert action, close quarters battle, counterintelligence, counterterrorism, direct action, hostage rescue, human, that's human intelligence, intelligence assessment, irregular warfare, I-Star.
Is that just a global positioning system?
I don't know what I-Star is.
What does that stand for?
joe biggs
That one, I'm not sure.
Let me see.
rob dew
Long-range penetration, maneuver warfare, military communications, military intelligence.
I mean, this seems like this is a, and they're referred to as Task Force Orange, originally supported into the United States Army intelligence.
joe biggs
Yeah, so there's a book, too.
They go by TFO or Task Force Orange.
That's like their more known name.
The original name was the activity.
There's a book about them called The Killer Elite.
I actually read about them when I was in prison.
People send me books all the time.
And when I got home and started kind of looking into January 6th and what happened that day, I started talking to people and...
and I knew the activity from that book it wasn't until I made the connection that the activity and TFO Task Force Orange were the exact same thing.
So you know these people need to be looked into they're the ones who are behind a lot of the chaos I believe that we see in this country against patriot groups and things like that to demonize us to make us look a certain way um and uh they're good at what they do.
rob dew
Hey guys bring up that still on iStar again because it showed what you know this is this is a support intelligence activity intelligence surveillance target acquisition and reconnaissance I mean that's basically everything else kind of encompasses except for the air assault I guess but target acquisition is sort of air assault you're gonna do that.
So I star kind of is the catch all for everything.
It's like, oh, we didn't get everything.
So here's I star on top of everything else.
And I mean, this just seems like a group, you know, how big is this group?
I guess they're operating all over the world because there's no like with the CIA, they're not supposed to operate domestically, but this group can operate domestically, obviously.
joe biggs
And they the numbers are classified.
So there's no like known amount of people.
But I'm going to be having some conversations with the people in the coming weeks that I know they're involved in uh you know investigating these individuals for their role that day and uh you know we're gonna figure it out but uh it's sad are you putting this on camera is this behind the scenes stuff that you're gonna be behind the scenes at first but it it will at some point be on camera.
rob dew
Yeah.
Wow.
I mean, it's just it's incredible what you guys have gone through.
The it's like they found they they almost found the perfect group that they could demonize.
And when you look at when you look at reality, when you look at what the Proud Boys are really doing, you know, the only time they ever gotten altercations is when they were being attacked.
There was never any time where the Proud Boys are going, we're gonna go hunt Antifa.
Because Antifa was always coming after the people, and you were standing there in between them, letting people, hey, here's our first amendment.
Crazy stuff.
We're gonna be back after the break, talk about some uh some more articles that are out there.
Uh Irish sitcom creator arrested over a social media post.
I mean, that's gonna be coming this way soon.
Stay tuned with our guest, Joe Biggs.
And they are some filthy mother scratchers.
Uh asked Biggs to send me some articles because I want to know what he wanted to talk about in addition to his case and and the uh what's going on there.
We got about 10 minutes, Joe, before uh I'm gonna jump out and go to this kind of Francis Boyle compilation.
But I want to go over this Irish sitcom creator arrested over a social media post.
I'm gonna read a social media post, and then you tell me why five cops had to come to his house and uh arrest him.
He said he was in an airport.
If a trans-identified male is in a female only space, he is committing a violent abusive act.
Make a scene, call the cops, and if all else fails, punch them in the balls.
joe biggs
That sounds pretty standard for me.
rob dew
Yeah, I mean, it seems kind of funny, I think.
Uh, he posted another one.
Um, it looks like a group of probably migrants, I'm assuming, it says a photo you can smell.
And there's there's the photo right there.
joe biggs
Yeah, I don't think he's lying.
I mean, look, I mean, it he's even a comedian.
So it's like, come on.
rob dew
He's a total comedian.
I mean, he literally started uh sitcoms in Ireland.
But I mean, this is what it's come to.
Uh the UK, they're arresting you for your tweets, essentially.
joe biggs
Yeah, I mean, Europe has fallen.
That whole area.
I mean, I I remember when I was in Paris last time working with you guys.
rob dew
Yeah.
joe biggs
And it was jihotting up then.
I mean, it was frightening just how much it had changed then, and that's like 10 years ago.
rob dew
Yeah.
joe biggs
I can only imagine how bad it is now.
It's got to look like a mixture of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Ethiopia at this point.
You know, it's it's insane that we're at a point where, you know, if if Americans don't really take their freedom seriously, if they don't really take a stand and and really get involved locally in politics and things like that, we're not going to be too far behind them because you know, it's not going to be long before one of these politicians who always talks about banning firearms is gonna do it.
Once that's gone, we're gonna be your and it's gonna be jail time for tweets.
It's gonna be jail time for defending yourself against an immigrant because you don't want your daughter raped.
It'll be jail time if your 12-year-old daughter brandishes a hatchet and a knife to protect uh herself or her younger sister from being attacked by a known pedophile.
So, you know, it's sad and see that that's happened over there, and people need to look at that right now.
Americans need to get serious about it, they need to understand that this fight that we're in right now, this info war, this this battle for the soul and spirit of America is never ending, and it's not gonna get easier, it's gonna get harder.
Um, but it's worth the fight.
This experiment that's called America is the beautiful thing, and I'm not ready for it to be over.
Um, and people need to be willing to stand up, and you need to be vocal, and people need to hear you when when you see this kind of stuff happen and and show that cause for concern that we don't want America to turn into Europe right now.
Europe used to be this beautiful, vibrant place, and it is turning into a crappy, you know, poop hole.
I'll just say that.
Um totally is.
It's it is it's it's psychotic to see how quickly it's happened too.
Yeah.
And um, I never thought in a million years I would see something like that happen.
But it is frightening to see that the kind of people that we have in power, the kind of people that continue to get in power and the kind of hold of the deep state has over the elections and things like that.
We've already had one stolen election.
There's no telling how many others in the past have been that way.
We know the local elections are stolen.
That's why they want to import uh migrants from other countries because um it's like that scene and the uh the what was that movie?
Uh the games in New York when the guy's sitting there at the boat ramps and saying vote for me, you know, and I'll give you a free place to stay.
Well, that's what the Democrats do.
They give you your uh your Obama phone as you're crossing the yeah, as you're crossing the river.
rob dew
Here's your phone, here's your card, you know.
joe biggs
Yeah, and and that's that's different.
rob dew
Yeah.
Yeah, and then they come after you.
It's ridiculous.
Speaking of that, now we're seeing reverse kind of protesting in other countries.
Green goes leave, protest targeting travelers rise as over tourism anger grows.
So people going to Mexico and living there or are being a tourist there is starting to piss people off.
We're starting to see uh the other side get mad for when it comes back to their place, you know.
joe biggs
It's oh welcome to our world.
rob dew
Yeah.
joe biggs
But I guarantee you the the people coming from America down there aren't you know taking dumps on the sidewalk.
They're not going around violently gang raping, they're not waving American flags, you know.
Yeah, you know, this that blows my mind.
Like you people expect us to sit here and go, Yeah, you can come into my country and you can you can crap on my floor and you can you can break into my home and I can't do anything about it, and you can get a license and become a truck driver.
Um don't even have to pay taxes.
And I'm just supposed to sit here and roll over to give you money to buy the hack.
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Yeah.
joe biggs
But if I go to another country and I start singing the American, uh, you know, the national anthem, and I demand that you speak English and I start waving American flags.
Um, you know, what are they gonna do?
They're gonna lock me up in jail or throw me an insane asylum or kill me.
You know, uh trust me, I've snuck in the country before.
They don't like it.
Um, but for some reason we're we're allowed to do it here.
You know, it's like you can just come in here and take a dump all over the constitution and it's celebrated.
rob dew
We're all for the Democrats.
They're like, Yay, we're in the evil empire.
When we do a lot of good, we do a and if we weren't here, this world would be a lot more screwed up.
I don't think people realize that.
And you've you've a man who's gone to fight for this country.
You've seen what happens when we go to other parts of the world and and how how we're one, how we're treated, and then how what our actions are are are the result of, you know.
And you've you've if anyone has got a their head screwed on straight into how this is going, it's you being uh, you know, in all these different facets.
So tell people where they can find out more about you and what you're gonna be doing here in the future.
joe biggs
Um, well, we're suing the DOJ.
Hopefully, uh we will get that case uh in front of the judge and get into the discovery phase, and that's when uh we start talking about settlements and things like that.
Um, you know, the DOJ took a lot of time for me in my life, and uh, you know, that needs to be made right.
We were set up, Trump's even admitted.
Plosi's even said that she this is her whole deal.
Um, we know it was wrong, but for some reason there's people inside the government still fighting tooth and nail to keep the truth from coming out and uh to to not let us get our lives back.
Um if you want to find me at uh on X, it's at real Rambo Biggs.
Um that's the only place I'm not banned.
So that's really about it.
Um I do everything I can on there.
Um, you know, I've had to go through multiple accounts.
I've got my third one up now, almost uh almost what, 16,000, and I've been busting my butt doing that.
Um, but you know, we're not going anywhere.
And the Proud Boys are gonna continue to grow uh grow.
We're gonna continue to stand up for Americans all over this country.
We're gonna stand up for free speech, and uh, you know, we're all we're all in.
rob dew
All in.
joe biggs
We love this country, and we're not we're not backing down.
So you're not gonna you're not gonna get rid of a Sicili.
rob dew
And I I tell you what, you know, you you didn't get a full pardon.
You got a com a commutation.
But I tell you, I thought that was the biggest thing Trump doing, at least getting you guys out of prison so you could start to rebuild your lives.
And I hope you guys get your a full pardon and and you get some money back on on the back end because they they did you guys wrong and they need to pay.
joe biggs
Yeah, we're pushing for those pardons.
It's not easy right now, though.
There's so many people stonewalling between Trump.
Um, you know, I've gone through every avenue I can imagine.
The same a lot of the same contacts that you guys have, obviously.
rob dew
Yeah.
joe biggs
Um, and it's just uh it's not an easy battle, but we're not done.
We're gonna keep fighting.
rob dew
All right.
joe biggs
So thank you.
rob dew
He's a fighter.
Stay tuned.
And we talked about having you come back, uh, do a full hour um next week sometime, get you, you know, if you want to have somebody on, you just take over.
We're kind of rotating people through here as we uh search, I guess for our our new host or or just main mainly just to get different voices, uh perspectives out here, uh, here in the war room time slot from three to six PM.
So thanks for joining us, Joe.
Good luck and uh best best of everything, man.
I hope you do.
I hope you come through.
I hope you get vindicated.
joe biggs
Thanks, Brother Ben.
Thanks for having me on.
Appreciate it, guys.
rob dew
Totally.
It's great to have Joe Biggs on.
Um it's just funny, man, seeing him with uh with a white beard from where he came from uh when he came here.
It was uh he was a younger man then back in the day.
Uh 2014, so that's over 10 years ago.
Time flies here in the info war.
I've been here since 09, so it's I've seen a lot uh seen a lot of people come and go.
And um, you know, it's always interesting when we get new people in here and and bringing them in and seeing what they do.
But um just let everybody know before we go to this next video.
Uh we're gonna play for you guys got the first video, right?
Of the the whistleblower lady, and then we're gonna go into the Francis Boyle compilation of why the establishment will not want Francis Boyle around because he knew everything before anything came out.
This guy was telling us everything.
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And here is Francis Boyle.
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Now, there was a sixth witness, uh, Professor Francis Boyle, who is actually expert on bioweapons, having um drafted uh bioweap, you know, several bioweapons conventions-related laws in the U.S. And uh three weeks after he agreed to testify on behalf of the plaintiffs that these products and the and the process was uh deployment of bioweapons, he suddenly died.
And uh we still don't know the cause of death.
And the only thing that we know is he was perfectly healthy prior and was teaching full-time.
He's in his mid, he was in his mid-70s.
And this was a shock to all of us.
And we so this is this looks very suspicious to me.
I you know, I can't speculate on what happened, but I would really like to know the cause of death, and we don't know that.
So that's where we are right now.
Uh, this is how serious it is.
These people stop at nothing.
dr francis boyle
Professional uh activities.
Uh I routinely uh monitor outbreaks of disease uh affecting uh humans and uh animals around the world just to see if there might be a biowarfare uh agent at work.
So when this coronavirus uh uh uh began to be reported there in China, I began looking into it and researching it, and I won't go through it all here.
Uh, but eventually it was my considered judgment that this is a biological warfare agent uh that had leaked out of the Wuhan uh biosafety level four laboratory uh that has a uh previous history of leaks there.
And so uh BSL 4 laboratories have basically one purpose, and that is to research, develop, test, and stockpile biological warfare uh uh weapons, put aside all the propaganda in support of these things uh uh by uh anyone.
Uh but that's that's why they're there.
There's no legitimate scientific uh health reason for BSL for uh laboratories.
So at that point, I did put out a notice on the inter on the internet uh saying that I thought it was uh biowarfare uh weapon, and it had gain of function uh properties, which meant uh it was DNA genetically uh engineered uh to be more lethal and more uh infectious than uh uh say a normal uh bio warfare uh agent.
And ever since I gave that interview, which was uh, I don't know, I guess two weeks ago or so today.
Um all the evidence coming out has confirmed uh uh my conclusion.
Uh it it does appear this is a DNA genetically engineered chimera that it has uh um in it uh as you correctly pointed out the uh HIV.
Now, I believe the Indian researchers have been pressured to withdraw by their government, obviously they have good relations with China that study, but I read it, and it's quite convincing, and they have the pictures there.
Uh I also believe it has the uh flu virus uh in there, and then it also has SARS.
Uh that lab is uh uh reported to do SARS work.
Uh so at a minimum, I think that is what they we are facing right now uh based on all the evidence I I have seen.
I never turned against the uh power elite.
I was pretty much a mole for the peace movement there at Harvard.
alex jones
Oh no, no, no.
I mean, you've been on many times.
That's right.
You were there, they thought you'd go with them, and then yeah, but you never actually worked for them.
You're right.
dr francis boyle
And I I never intended to.
I always intended to oppose the uh global audience.
alex jones
By the way, when I had the Kissinger group try to hire me, the head of the Kissinger group in front of a crew member, say, you're just gonna join us, this is dumb.
I was never with them.
They just thought I would immediately serve them.
I think that's what you're saying.
dr francis boyle
That's correct.
But to get back to uh uh this uh Wuhan uh coronavirus, it's it's quite serious.
Uh, as you know, because the uh work I did uh calling for and drafting the uh uh U.S. implementing legislation for the biological weapons convention, uh, which is known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, it was uh passed unanimously by both houses of the United States Congress and signed into law by President George H. Bush Sr.
I was even invited to the uh signing ceremony at the wedding house at the White House, but uh it was canceled uh because uh Gorbachev was coming to town, and of course, world peace was, I guess, more important than the uh signing ceremony.
In any event, my legislation was specifically designed to deal with uh the abuse of DNA genetic engineering uh as uh to research, manufacture, and develop um biological weapons.
So since that uh uh work starting in the early uh 1980s, I have routinely watched the outbreaks of uh infectious diseases uh against uh uh animals and human beings around the world to see if there was a uh uh biological warfare uh agent at work.
And so I did pay attention uh to what was going on there in uh Wuhan.
And based on uh all the sources uh I could find at that time and uh confirm since then, uh this appears to be an extremely dangerous biological warfare uh agent that uh leaked out of that uh Wuhan BSL 4, biosafety level 4 uh facility in Wuhan itself.
The uh notion that this came from some fish market is a total uh canart.
Uh that uh is was the leading uh BSL 4 facility uh in China.
And I want to make it clear, Alex, I I'm not here to bash China or the uh Chinese people or their communist government under international law.
They can have whatever government they want over there, but this is a matter of uh of world public health.
And uh that uh BSL 4 facility, we have BS large numbers of BSL 4 facilities here in the United States uh now in the Western developed uh capitalist world.
These BSL 4 facilities have I have no legitimate scientific or uh uh medical purpose at all.
They have one purpose, and that is to research, develop, test, use, stockpile, offensive biological uh weapons.
alex jones
Purely offensive.
dr francis boyle
Purely offensive, although they try to justify it by saying, oh, we're developing vaccines.
Well, that might be true, Alex, but the way this is done is they first DNA genetically engineered the offensive agent to kill people.
And then they reverse engineer the technology to develop the vaccine because you do not have an effective biological weapon.
alex jones
You don't have a cure without the disease.
dr francis boyle
That is correct.
You can't use the offensive agent unless you can inoculate your own people with the vaccine.
So that is what has been going on at that Wuhan of the COVID.
alex jones
And that's what my Pentagon sources told me a week and a half ago.
They believe it's a leak weapon they were planning for us or others developing a vaccine for themselves, but somehow they thought it was edited so it would be continuated or however it works, and then it somehow mutated or it didn't work.
The live vaccine failed.
They don't know.
They just believe it was an offensive weapon.
They were developing a vaccine for that somehow got out.
Is that that sound accurate?
dr francis boyle
That's correct.
They were doing both, and that's that's how all these hideous BSL 4 labs work here in the United States.
And indeed, President Trump should shut down every BSL 4 facility here in the United States and BSL 3 before this happens to me.
But my assessment, Alex, is that uh then whatever they were working on leaked out.
Um it probably the first reported human case of this was December 1.
So it seems to me it probably there was an accident incident there, maybe uh mid-uh November, and the Chinese government has been lying about it and covering it up uh ever since.
This will be a fantastic fraud and existentially dangerous to be perpetrated on the American people that, oh, well, now we have a COVID uh uh 19 vaccine, and it's been approved by the FDA.
Big Pharma ran a big ad there in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, I read every day, saying to American people, oh, don't worry uh uh about our vaccines, they'll be approved by the FDA.
Well, this is even you know, even worse than the Fox being in charge of the chicken cool.
alex jones
Well, sure, it's just like saying, don't worry, I'm gonna shoot you with a 12-gauge shotgun slug, but it's been approved by the FDA.
What does that even mean?
It means it's got liability protection.
They're saying, don't worry, we're protected.
Like Bill Gates said, a lot of you are gonna get sick, but don't worry, the FDA is going to certify.
dr francis boyle
Right.
And so just to give your listeners, your viewers just a ballpark figure uh of what's going to happen here with these vaccines.
Again, uh, on the U.S. troops, 500,000 uh were injected, 11,000 were killed, if not outright murdered.
I accuse uh at the defense of Captain Dr. Hewitt Vaughn that this is a Nuremberg crime on our own troops, and 100,000, one fifth were disabled.
So at a minimum, this is what and they were prepared to do this.
They did this, the FDA did this to our own troops.
Uh we're not either.
alex jones
That's right.
They set the table for the media to cover it up for liability protection.
What is the larger agenda then of making us do this?
Uh depopulation, sterilization.
dr francis boyle
That's the only way to see it, that I see it now, right, and control and and depopulation and debilitation, right?
Uh that's that's the agenda here.
The most critical thing now for me to point out is this.
As we know on uh December 10, the FDA is meeting to give uh this emergency authorization to these two uh messenger RNA so-called vaccines.
Let me go back to you, Alex, to the original article we discussed in February on the um proof, the smoking gun, that the uh COVID-19 came out of that UNC uh BSL III, North Carolina with the back queen from uh Wuhan uh BSL 4.
If you have a look on it, one of the principal investigators was the Food and Drug Administration.
The same people who are going to be giving this emergency approval to this uh I would call Franken shot on uh Thursday are the same people who develop COVID-19.
Let me read the uh principal authors here.
There are eight of them, in addition to the Bat Queen.
Uh quote, National Center for Toxicological Research, Food and Drug Administration.
So the Food and Drug Administration were working in cahoots with the Bat Queen from the Wuhan BSL 4.
And these are the people who on Thursday are going to be giving this uh emergency use authorization to these extremely dangerous messenger RNAs.
Now, you know, if you've taken a course in genetics, you know how powerful messenger RNA is.
It goes into your body, uh, it can do anything.
It can just turn around the uh genetic composition of your body.
We have no idea uh what these uh Franken shots are.
alex jones
That's what the most prestigious scientist out there.
We're talking chief, you know, uh science officers, you know, of Pfizer are like this could turn your immune system off or kill you in a uh storm of antibodies, or it could attack her placenta.
I mean, this is like playing around with hydrogen bombs.
dr francis boyle
That's exactly right.
And uh, but again, the critical point is the Food and Drug Administration manufactured COVID-19 with the Bat Queen for the Wuhan BSL 4.
And now on Thursday, apparently they're going to give this emergency approval uh for these uh Frankenshots that uh they say are going to uh protect us from the COVID 19 that the FDA helped develop.
I mean, this is truly evil.
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I want them shut down, I want them silent, I want them muted.
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