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Aug. 7, 2025 - War Room - Owen Shroyer

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President Trump Celebrates Massive Tariff Revenue, Demands A New Census As FBI Fires Deep State Operative Agents

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unidentified		The silent majority is no longer silent.
		This is the war room with Owen Schroyer.
		Please stand by for further details.
		We are turning you out to your regularly scheduled program.
		What are you doing today, sir?
		I'm fucking you up.
		Fuck info wars, fuck your followers, you're fucking fascist.
		I don't like fascists.
		I don't like info wars.
		I don't like young Nazis.
		Fuck your time.
		Hey, why?
		Why?
		What's wrong with me?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I didn't, who did I assault?
unidentified		I don't care.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You're a white man.
unidentified		So you shy up thing.
		So you racist thing.
		The good old white days are over with.
		The good old white days are over with.
		Hey, no more of these days, bro.
		I'm seeing poxy stuff.
		These people are literally all humping me right now.
		I'm going to the Damo.
		Are you a Christian pastor?
		This is mockery.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What you're doing here is mockery, and you know it, and that's why you're kicking us off.
		That's why you called the cops on us.
		You don't have the power of God because you're not a godly man.
		I think you're a fraud.
unidentified		Where's the myth of dragons story?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Were you at the Drag Queen Story Hour?
		Was that you?
		Was that you?
unidentified		Get out of here.
		Go.
		How are you today, Chicken?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You're out here protesting Trump, let's have a real conversation.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you like Trump?
unidentified		There's so many reasons.
		I don't want to go into the Rim for Wars because it's just up.
		I might tag.
		What now?
		I'm going in.
		It's insane.
		I know the world.
		I'm literally tasting a chicken.
		He's chasing a chicken.
		Got it live on video.
		Yeah.
		We're ready to rain.
		Let's get out of here.
		Let's go.
		Intention.
		Trump supporters are in my face.
		I've been looking for these.
		You guys are fascists.
		You're all fascists.
		He fell.
		Yeah.
		Like, yeah, he's not.
		Yeah.
		I know.
		Some of you were describing him.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You're behaving like a fascist.
unidentified		No, no.
		This guy's literally in my face right now.
		Wait a minute, who walked up to who?
		You, you, I hold it on tape.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You literally just don't touch me.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now you're trying to assault me?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to assault me?
unidentified		I'm going to.
unidentified		What are you doing?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Don't touch my equipment.
steve moore ▲ ● ▼		I'm touching your equipment.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You are a freak show.
		Oh my God.
		Are you going to return that?
unidentified		No.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Did you just lift my camera?
		Did you just lift my panda?
		What, dude, seriously, do you realize how deranged you are?
		Like, you belong in a mental institution.
unidentified		Do you make fart noises with your mouth?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's a yes.
		That's the first answer we've gotten out here.
		You don't like walls?
unidentified		I don't like you.
unidentified		Your mom doesn't like you either, does she?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Say that to my mom, she's watchinging.
unidentified		I'm sorry, you just said, you did a shitty job.
		She just said, Is that sexual assault?
		Girl.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Is that sexual assault?
unidentified		Yes.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So you just sexually assaulted me?
unidentified		I did assault you.
		Should you be arrested?
		Arrest me.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What's it like to be a gay frog?
unidentified		You should go ask the gay mafia in Hollywood.
unidentified		Dude, I could push you over like a fucking toothpick.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't want to assault you.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's why I want you to leave me alone.
unidentified		You're a fucking soyboy twig hanging out with your coward ptsy friend.
unidentified		Why don't you take your mask off and meet me in a boxing ring?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Your friends wouldn't recognize you afterwards.
unidentified		Oh, mine.
		What's your problem, ma'am?.
		Have I seen you before somewhere?
		Mindless zombies.
		Stop, stop.
		I could drop each and one of you.
		Look at this guy.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		This guy's a nigger.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What don't you like about the travel ban?
unidentified		You.
		That makes a lot of sense.
		First you march and say Trump is Hitler, and then you march and say Turn the guns into the government, which is exactly what Hitler did.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Explain to me how Trump is like Hitler.
unidentified		We're our border.
		We're our border.
		We're our such a good dog!
		Keep this close!
		You're getting the dog shit king out of his ass!
		Why are you getting so close?
		Why don't you look at my face?
		Seriously, you didn't really have to deal with me today.
		I'm a wild mouth, I know that.
		What?
		How do you look at yourself in the mirror?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		With my two eyes.
unidentified		So this is Owen Schroer from Infowars.com.
unidentified		Infowars.com.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Ladies and gentlemen, it is Thursday, August 7, 2025.
		This is the Infowars War Room, the fastest three hours on the internet.
		The Internet start now and we are loaded.
		We got about thirty video clips here.
		Let's see, we got about eight different stacks of news.
		Some cultural stuff that I hope we can get to today.
		We've got good news out of the White House.
		Some of Trump's executive orders and economic policies are definitely turning out to be working, specifically in the tariff field.
		It's still kind of an unknown long term, but there's definitely been good results so far in the short term.
		I would say the good has outweighed the bad in the short term.
		I don't think really there's any room for debate., you could you could argue that there could be some issues down the road.
		But right now, it's definitely been a positive.
		And it goes to show you, again, it's the fake news left media and it becomes the boy that cried wolf.
		And so Trump can come out again and for the fourth or fifth time, whatever it is, say, oh, the Epstein thing is a hoax.
		And so if the left wing media reports on it, then a lot of Trump's base that's not really that politically informed, it's like, you know, it's like a baseball fan that likes to go to the games but doesn't really know much about the actual game or the rules or the players, but they like to go to the g games and cheer and wear the hat.
		But you start to ask them about, you know, oh, it's the history of this team and the history of the game and and different idiosyncrasies or rules and they don't really know.
		But they wear the hat and they cheer.
		So.
		But it's the same thing.
		Oh, the tariffs are going to crash the stock market.
		The tariffs are going to raise prices and it just hasn't happened.
		It just has, I mean, you could argue, I don't know if it's the tariffs that have resulted in the stock market going up.
		I think that's more of the other, the other deals that Trump is getting done here.
		But it's all ans the boy that cried wolf in the left-wing media, where now they can even report a truth.
		They could report something real about the Epstein story, and then people will just say, oh, nope, CNN reports it.
		I don't believe it.
		So that's why many times, and there's a couple of examples I have today, hell, even Drudge has to put it at the front of their landing page.
		That's why many times when there's a story.
		that might kind of divide on political lines, but it's like, no, this is the reality.
		It's not a right-wing thing.
		thing, I'll find a left-wing source.
		And I got a couple of examples of that today, including in this actually multiple stacks of geopolitical news, but I guess really there's one stack.
		And then it's this ongoing issue that we have now with our country and having this, this Israel first agenda.
		And that's really what it is.
		And, and, you know, I, I consciously do this with, with good reason.
		And I, and I can prove it again today, but it's like, I've got stories today that you would say are anti-Israel, but they come from Is Jewish outlets.
		I actually like to go visit a lot of these news sources, do pretty good news as far as figure out what's going on over there or how it ties into what's going on over here.
		So I got a couple examples of that, but no, I'll separate Israel from Jewish people, even though.
		Because it's not fair to just lump all Jews into one train of thought.
		Even though people like Mark Levin will try to do that.
		That's why he's a bigger threat to Jewish safety in this country than anyone else.
		Even though a court ruling is now saying no, Israel equals Jew.
		And so now if you say something negative about Israel, the court looks at that as a hate crime.
		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		But see, I can separate Israel from Jewish individuals that can have all kinds of different opinions, like black people or white people or anybody else.
		You don't lump everybody in.
		But okay, I can separate.
		a Jewish individual with his own thoughts or her own thoughts versus Israel and what their government is doing and what their military is doing or the dynamics of their relationship with our government.
		But no, now, no, there are stories now.
		They don't even hide it anymore.
		The Trump administration is destroying DEI, right?
		They're celebrating this.
		They're promoting this.
		Oh, but except there was one aspect of it, specifically at Brown and Columbia who have been targeted by this.
		They're allowing it for Jewish students.
		So they can still get specific funding for things that are only for Jewish students, security, liaisons, events.
		So see that becomes an issue where now you're actually trying to pit Americans versus Jewish people, not an issue over here with Israel and foreign influence and foreign entanglements.
		No, now you're actually, now the administration is actually trying to set apart Jewish students from all other students, like they've done in the past to whites or to Asians.
		We've all seen it.
		And they say, see, we've defeated DEI, but except we're going to keep all this special stuff in there for Jewish students.
		Oh, but see, I'm not, this isn't com even coming from some anti-Semitic right-wing source.
		No, this is from a Jewish news outlet reporting this.
		And guess what?
	The Jewish individual reporting this doesn't like it.
	So you see, I could pull it from CNN.
	They'd say, well, that's a left-wing anti-Semitic site.
	I could pull it from another right-wing site.
	They'd say, oh, that's a Nazi site.
	So I'll go to a site that's run by Jews, very, very, very pro-Jew.
	And they say, nope, this is the truth.
	It's favoritism.
	Here it is.
	Now, I go off on that tangent only to say, only to just show that you can't become the dog that gets wagged by the tail.
	And I'm not even going to get into any Epstein stuff today.
	I don't have any Epstein stuff.
	I don't think on my desk.
	It's just an example where I think Trump just figures it's all a numbers game.
	And he just figures, well.
	I'll just come out and say the Epstein thing is a hoax and people will just believe me or they'll just think it's left-wing fake news.
	So even though it's not a hoax, even though.
	it's a very real issue and even though a very large portion of his base is disgusted by how he's handling this and the PR, he probably just figures, it's a numbers game.
	I'll just deny everything, call it a hoax.
	And the majority of people will just think it's fake news because they've been lied to so much by these corporate news outlets, so won't be an issue.
	Well, I guess they kind of mismeasured that because it's a gigantic issue.
	But you can't just say, oh, that's CNN.
	It's not true.
	Or, oh, that's just fake news.
	It's not true.
	Or, that's just this.
	It's not true.
	Or, that's this.
	And I see this now too, where it's like.
	Like, they'll even try to do that to myself or to Alex.
	And I was listening to the Alex Jones show earlier, and I don't know if this is what was, you know, causing him to go off on a little rant, a couple rants today.
	But, you know, talking about how, hey, I've been here for thirty years.
	I have a track record.
	You're an online social media account that just popped up for an election cycle, and you're going to tell me what's what?
	You're going to say, I'm fake news now.
	You're going to say, I'm fake maga now because I don't report things that you like to see and you want me to be in your cult and maybe that's what it is.
	It's very cult like behavior.
	And if you've ever noticed or have even studied cults, whenever you reject the cult, they get they get very violent against you.
	And it's a defense mechanism.
	Whenever you go against the cult or you reject, I don't want to end the cult, they get very violent and aggressive against you.
	It's a defense mechanism that cults have.
	So I guess that's what it is.
	It's like, hey, I'm not picking up the pompoms.
unidentified		I'm not going to sit here and kick my leg in the air every time Trump farts and say, oh, my gosh, go Trump.
		When he does great things like what the results of the tariffs have been, we'll say, wow, fantastic.
		Looks like this is going to work out great.
		And then when he does things that are just awful, like, oh, Epstein was a hoax, we're going to say that's horrible.
		Why are you doing that?
		But let's move on because you probably understand that.
		Now, other news here with the FBI, and it was about, I don't know, maybe two or three hours of the Jones Show today covered this.
		So I'm not going to spend too much time on it other than to just say, yeah, they got rid of the.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		deep state assets and look I won't try to claim I won't try to claim like we know too much about the these guys individually, but these were the guys carrying out deep state actions and it was well known.
		And so it just shows you not only are they going after the people that were watching over January 6, they're going after the people that were running all the federal entrapment schemes, including in Michigan, because it was a lot of the same people.
		Okay, Alex Jones in the studio, go ahead.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Kyle Saravan's totally vindicated.
		These major firings are on.
		I was just talking to him, major news stuff he just got from his sources, like he's all in the FBI.
		I said, hey, what are you going on with your breaking stuff?
		I know you got a clear show.
		If you want him on, get them to set him up.
		He's ready to go, because this is breaking huge.
unidentified		It's up to you.
		All right, we'll get that lined up.
		So they've obviously identified who was running all the actions.
		But see, this is where you start to run into an issue.
		But see, that's good news, Owen.
		We've got grand juries in panel.
		They're firing people.
		No, no, no, no, no.
		All because of our...
		No, see, I'm going to push back now.
		I'm going to push back then, Alex.
		Because here's what I'm going to say.
		And it's not even about this.
		It's not even about this.
		This is just a general statement.
		I want fucking arrests.
		That's what I want.
		Okay?
		Period.
		End of sentence.
		And I know you do too, Alex.
		You want an arrest?
		You got arrested for attacking the guy.
		Exactly.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So my rights were violated.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing, we're like stuck in the mud.
		We're starting to get out of it.
		So be optimistic.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Alex, I have a solution, okay?
		Since you're in here and we're having some fun, it's all about.
		I actually, no, no, no, no, I have the solution actually, Alex.
		I'm converting, I'm Jewish now, I'm going to put on my Yamaka and then, and now, I might get some attention.
		They might arrest the people that fake swatted me.
		They might arrest the people that assault me in the street.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They might make the joke that I was Jewish.
		Say, here's the problem.
		As much as we don't like Israel, then the Nazis are so fake and we joke and say we're Jewish, they'll say it.
		I'm Jewish.
		They're going to like, Jones says you know, I'm Jewish.
		I'm a space alien.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So, oh, you know, I'm doing this.
		I'm converting now so I can get some things done that I want done.
		That's what I'm going to do.
		Because, you know, you just have to realize what it is.
		Like if a pitcher throws fastballs, say, oh, okay, I'm going to anticipate a fastball.
		Well, I know the administration puts the priorities of Jews first, like a little college student girl who gets into an argument with a guy in a gym.
		It's a federal investigation.
		It's a federal case.
		Oh my God.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's pissed Israel.
		That's good.
		My point is, is we've got major traction.
		This is a new scandal where everything Sarah had said about that plane and the J six people and the Raiders, I'm telling you, they are flipping out right now.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people are going to get fired and that's good, but people need to go to jail.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And that's what they're doing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's how we get there.
		So it's an important story.
		That's why we get the story out to put them in jail.
		We're getting close, Owen.
		First time grand jury is empaneled.
		Never happened before.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		There's never been a grand jury before.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, they've never, Trump never empaneled.
		Trump's DOJ.
		You can go on.
		They did plenty of criminal referrals.
		This isn't a criminal referral, Owen.
		They have grand jury is empaneled.
		We hold their feet to the fire.
		It happens.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Let's hope so.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's what we're doing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, it's like Kennedy three weeks ago was on vacation and they authorized mRNA shots.
		And I said, I bet he didn't know.
		He fires the panel, fires the people and just freaking banned them all.
		I'm telling you, we're in a tug of war.
		We don't take our ball and go home, Owen.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Who's taking their ball and going home?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You got the people on one side saying don't trust anything out of the administration.
		You don't know what they're doing.
		You got other people that just say it's all screwed, don't do anything.
		I'm the person saying there's a battle over the future of this.
		Anyways, just listen to me.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What, what, what, what, what I mean, I I have less faith than you, but I haven't disagreed with you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not that I have faith.
		We don't have a choice but to try to beat these people.
		We got a real shot at it.
		You understand, there's a tug of war over who's going to control this.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I don't, I don't I don't have any idea, Alex.
		I have no idea.
		Explain it to me, please.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's easy.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's not like I come on here and, you know, push back against this stuff.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's not like we've stood up against it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm not coming back.
		I'm saying this is the first time in eight plus years of Trump being in and out of office that they have paneled grand jury, regardless, finally the J six captain that ran all the persecution against you and others just got fired and a bunch of other people because we spotlighted their ass.
		Don't underestimate the power we've got.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Beautiful.
		I don't.
		So I want arrests.
		So that's what I want.
		So I listen and I agree and I say I want.
		I agree and I say I want a rest.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's very sophisticated.
		Say it many times.
		What I'm telling you is, is this is a new giant scandal.
		Trump is not going to learn about all the operatives inside the system.
		And this, we've just blown a giant hole in their ass.
		So I'm telling you, look how far we've come.
		This stuff doesn't happen.
		It's like Force 10 from Navarro where they blow up the dam.
		It doesn't collapse right away.
		Just be patient.
		And then attack or it won't happen.
		I sense victory.
		I smell blood.
		But we've got to push it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I am pushing it.
		What is the problem here?
		I'm the one demanding stuff go further.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And call Seraphim.
		Sherifin was a guy five months ago said you're not going to get the MC false.
		He's been a huge pessimist.
		He smells blood today.
		This is, this is, this is, this is big time, buddy.
		Okay.
		So, so I'm telling you, it's going down like Donkey Kong.
		And we need to press this all the way out right now.
		That's what I'm telling you right now.
		Okay.
		So the public is pissed.
		The public wants some diamonds.
		We already know that.
		Set is just saying they want a diamond, want a diamond.
		Trump doesn't know all this stuff.
		He's now learning about it.
		There's total flip-outs happening that the guy that raided his house is flying Cash Patel's plane around.
		That the people that put out challenge coins were they're the.
		president are the ones running this shit.
		They're in deep poop.
		I think Cash Patel is going to get axed over this or others.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		This is big.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones is always right, Owen.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Patel, you think Patel will get fired?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you that victory is within our grasp.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		What is victory?
unidentified		Man, hey, I'll define victory.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'll define victory right now.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		When I got on air 31 years ago, how many arrests?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		When I got on air 31 years ago, one percent knew about this, not like 30 percent though.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're sitting there.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's a separate issue.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You're, you're, that's a completely different issue.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I'll leave you alone.
unidentified		I just came here to give you the news.
		We won't have Colin on the show.
		You're right.
		We're fucked.
		We should just shut the show off right now.
		It's all over, folks.
		Okay, shut it down.
		There you go.
		You just heard from Alex.
		Shut it down.
		Oh, fuck.
		Yeah, they didn't ban 22 mRNA shots.
		They're not trying to get nothing.
		Everything's dope, folks.
		We're all fucked.
		There you go.
		Go to break, guys.
		Play break.
		There you go.
		Just heard it.
		Go ahead.
		No, I'm serious.
		Go to rebroadcast.
		Go to rebroadcast.
steve moore ▲ ● ▼		better the red is President Trump, the blue is President Biden.
		Every single income group did better under President Trump.
		But what's really amazing is look what happened under Biden.
		The lowest income group lost in the White House 2004, four years after President Biden's presidency.
		No gain, virtually, at all for the middle class.
		And the rich was the only group that did better under Biden, which is ironic because Biden keeps saying he was trying to get rid of income inequality.
		He made income inequality worse, not better.
		It was President Trump that reduced income inequality.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		These numbers just came out, by the way.
steve moore ▲ ● ▼		And then finally, These are the numbers just in, I just showed you in percentage terms, Mr. President, these are the numbers in dollar terms.
		So even the lowest income, 25% gained about $4,000 in income.
		That's a lot for a lower income family, $6,400 for the middle class and almost $10,000 for the richest.
		So you can see every income group did better under Trump than Biden by a wide margin.
		That's the story.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I think when you look at them, they're all something.
		But this one chart really says it better than anything.
		If you look at this, this is great.
		this yard is pretty amazing right here All new numbers.
		Okay.
		So we're going to go now over to East Room and we're going to celebrate some very brave people with the Purple Hearts.
		Yeah, please.
unidentified		Mr President, just to follow up on the India tariffs, do you expect increased trade negotiations, you know, since you've announced the 50% tariff?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		No, not until we get it resolved.
steve moore ▲ ● ▼		Mr President, is your deadline?
unidentified		Is Vladimir Putin agreeing to a ceasefire still standing tomorrow?
steve moore ▲ ● ▼		Is that fluid now that the talks are?
unidentified		Is your deadline still standing for Vladimir Putin to agree to a ceasefire tomorrow or is that fluid now?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be up to him.
		And you?
		We're going to see what he has to say.
		It's going to be up to him.
		Very disappointed, yeah.
unidentified		And do you have to meet with Does Putin have to meet with Zelenskyy in order and before you and Putin have to meet?
		Or you Oh, no.
		Are you willing to So you're willing to That's actually important because the President President Putin said this morning he was pretty dismissive of this idea of meeting with President Putin.
		Who was?
		I don't know.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I didn't hear about it.
unidentified		If you need to meet with him, he doesn't have to agree to meet with Zelenskyy.
unidentified		Is that what you're saying?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		No, he doesn't.
		No.
		So when do you think they'd like to meet with me?
		They would like to meet with me and I'll do whatever I can to stop the killing.
		So last month they lost 14,000 people killed.
		Last month.
		Every week is 4,000 or 5,000 people.
unidentified		So I don't like long waits.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a shame.
		And they're mostly soldiers.
		They're Ukrainian and Russian soldiers.
		And some people from the cities where missiles are lobbed in and you'll lose 35, 40 people a night, which is terrible.
		But no, mostly it's soldiers.
		And you're talking about on average 20,0,000 a month.
		20,000 people are dying a month.
		Young, generally young people, soldiers.
		We're going to speak in about soldiers.
		We'll see you over for a permanent break.
unidentified		Thank you, press.
unidentified		Thank you, press what did you do to fix it?
chase hughes ▲ ● ▼		I found this guy, he's a functional medicine guy, and he got me on methylene blue, and that instantly stopped everything.
unidentified		I'd take it.
		Okay.
		Yeah.
chase hughes ▲ ● ▼		I'd take it every day as well.
unidentified		And RFK Jr. told me about it.
chase hughes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man, it's fantastic.
		And so this guy's injecting in 1890, injects these rats with it, and then does an autopsy on these things, and their brain, the brain stem, every single nerve is blue.
		So he discovered this methylene blue has an affinity for neuronal tissue.
		So he says, well, it's sucking into neurons and working in the body.
		So we started putting it in humans and we found out it's an MAOI, which helps with depression and anxiety and all kinds of life stress and stuff.
		It is so incredible that it acts as an electron donor to mitochondria, especially your neuronal mitochondria.
		So it helps you produce more ATP.
		And it helps you get rid of this stuff called reactive oxygen species.
		So you have an oxygen molecule.
		It should have two hydrogens on it.
		And like your body's job is to convert stuff into water.
		the water so you can pee it out.
		So if you get an oxygen molecule It's got four, five, one.
		It's a reactive oxygen, which we call free radicals.
		So methylene blood goes in there and balances a lot of those things out in your brain.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You all just saw it.
		I was struck.
		I was assaulted.
		A madman came into this studio.
		A mad antisemite, a Jew hater.
		A radical leftist Islamo-fascist came in here and insulted me.
		This cannot stand.
		You all saw it.
		Blatant assault and battery.
		Threaten to kill my entire people.
		It's basically a holocaust up in here.
		My God.
		I'm calling my lawyer.
		I also happen to be a lawyer.
		I'm also calling my rabbi.
		and my dildo salesman.
		This cannot stand.
		You can't come in here during a holy transmission and disrupt like this.
		And see, you should have figured it out by now, you silly goy.
		You should have figured it out by now.
		But in case you hadn't, in case you hadn't, there were some Christian pro-life activists that just got brutally beaten in the streets.
		Brutally beaten.
		And they're not going to jail the assailant.
		Don't you get it, stupid goy?
		It's because you're not Jewish.
		If those victims that got beaten to a bloody pulp would have been Jewish, then their assailant might be going to prison.
		But because they're just Gentile, because they're just Goi, their assailant will see no jail time.
		And by the way, the same thing happened in Cincinnati.
		We all saw it.
		Some white people got brutalized in the streets by some non-whites.
		And they're already releasing those assailants from jail.
		It turns out some of them were already in jail.
		And now those same victims, these white Christians.
		go in front of the media and they say, Where's my justice?
		And they say, Where are the arrests?
		Why won't anybody do anything to protect me?
		It's because you're not Jewish.
		Don't you get it yet, Goi?
		Convert or be left behind.
		It's never been more clear.
		I've made my choice.
		And I know the only chance I have to save America.
		is to convert to Judaism and make my demands to this administration.
		Because if I don't, I don't know if they'll ever hear it.
		And everybody in the administration lets you know how important it is.
		They're all telling you.
		The signs are all right there.
		You don't have to believe Rabbi Schroyer, fresh new convert.
		By the way, we have the tin foil Yamaka.
		Serves multi-purposes.
		We're selling it right now for 99 shekels.
		You can get your tin foil Yamaka for 99 shekels right now.
		at rabbishroyer.com.
		Not affiliated with rabbi Schwarley yet.
		Not affiliated with the Red Heifer.
		Actually, maybe I am affiliated with the Red Heifer.
		I did actually talk to those that are trying to find the Red Heifer right now.
		They just burned one alive for fun.
		So you see, I'm doing this to save my country.
		But my tinfoil hat Yamaka, it blocks space lasers.
		It blocks aliens from reading your brainwaves.
unidentified		It also...
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So now when I ask the Trump administration to go after the people that have wronged me and my people and my country, they have to listen.
		I heard Dan Bongino, I heard Kaz Matel, I heard Jadine Pirro, I heard them.
		I know Mark Levine and Ben Shapiro and Netanyahu who are running things in there with Suzy Wiles.
		So you gotta adapt and convert.
		It's the only way.
		So yes, it's the only way to save America.
		Become Jewish and make your demands for this administration.
		and they will come through for us otherwise good luck good luck we're just adapting to survive people that's all adapting to survive all right do you like my tin foil hat yamaka by the way this was a rob do creation rob do uh he whipped this thing up He even had it blessed by a rabbi,
		I think, at some point in the process.
		We almost.
unidentified		We almost went full whaling wall behind me.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I was like, well, we already did that bit.
		Boy, I will sell this to you for 98.9 shekels, though.
		Is that a lot?
		What's the conversion rate there?
unidentified		Okay.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Put this nice here, here.
		We all know the truth.
		Guys, we all know the truth.
		Don't we?
		Yeah.
		We all know.
		We all know what really goes on here.
		We all know who really runs things, huh?
unidentified		Yep.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		The power.
		The absolute unmitigated power.
		All right, so here's the deal.
		We are going to have two FBI whistleblowers coming up in the next hour.
		And we'll get into the latest developments at the FBI.
		And then apparently there's new developments, but that was Trump at the White House.
		That was live.
		Just showing some of the graphs, some of the charts when it comes to the tariffs and everything coming in.
unidentified		in.
		I got more news on that we're going to get to.
		Do you guys remember, though, back before I was a convert, remember the last time Trump was doing graphs like that?
		You guys remember that?
		Who was around for that?
		I think our whole crew was there for that.
		When we did the Stop the Steal tour in 2020, we had those big, just like he had, we had those big graphs printed out on that poster board.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		and we went around to like i think it was like 20 different states and and i did that presentation yeah right there good job crew and then Trump did basically the exact same presentation from the White House.
		Now this time Trump got me on the graphs.
		Now I do have a graph though.
		By the way, I was serious about that story.
		These pro-life activists got mauled.
		I mean severely beaten in the street badly.
		And they have decided not to jail the guy who did it.
		A 73-year-old and an 84-year-old.
		And they were outside the Planned Parenthood praying.
		And some complete lunatic comes up and beats them to a pulp on the streets.
		Not going to get jail time.
		Not going to get jail time.
		So that wasn't just part of that bit that I kind of concocted in my head there in the break.
		But that's pretty nuts.
		That's pretty nuts.
		Now that's a Baltimore issue.
		That's a local issue, but that's insane.
		And then you find out it's a similar thing.
		I don't want to get to this now.
		I've got it for later on.
		But that woman.
		It was a woman and I think two guys or something that got beaten up in that Cincinnati street brawl.
		And now she's come out and spoke to the press and she's like, they're not even doing anything.
		And it ends up being that one of the assailants had just gotten out of jail.
		So it's just madness.
		These local jurisdictions.
		It's insane.
		These leftist liberal prosecutors and judges.
		It's just nuts.
		It's just insane, man.
		So we'll have that coming up later.
		So I suppose since we did the bit, I can kind of, you know, because comedy has to have some.
		anchor to reality or it's not really funny.
		And so there is an anchor to reality now.
		There are.
		legal precedents when it comes to burning a flag, specifically an American flag, that this is a First Amendment right.
		Well, there's a new court case, Jewish journal headline, the day the Jewish star shone bright in court, forward.com.
		This is another Jewish outlet run by Jewish reporters.
		targeting the star of David is now racially motivated judge rules.
		So to give you kind of the facts of the case and then the precedent being set here, there was a lady who had a Star of David flag that she was holding over her shoulders like a cape.
		And some, some, I don't know if it was, I'm assuming it was left wing because the left wing gets violent.
		I haven't seen any right wing anti-Israel activists get violent.
		It seems to be only the left wing ones.
		So in fact, I don't even think right wing, I don't even know if there's any right wing anti-Israel voices or activists that ever even go out in the streets with this.
		But so this guy comes up and and basically is trying to rip the flag out of her hands and ends up, I guess, dragging her to the ground.
		Well, the judge is now stating that because it was a Star of David Israel flag, that that represents Jewish people.
		And since this individual committed a crime against that flag, it is now considered a hate crime.
		So the precedent has now been set.
		Somebody will probably do this.
		I don't suggest it.
		I wouldn't tempt this fate.
		But yeah, let's see.
		What do you think would happen?
		I guess they already did it, didn't they?
		They already were burning Israel flags in DC at one point, these leftist groups, I believe we're already doing that.
		But now, watch out.
		Judge says that's a hate crime.
		Now, now imagine.
		Because as I say, I don't sit here and look at the decisions Netanyahu makes and then, and then look at my Jewish friends or other, other Jewish Americans that I like to talk to and say, Wow, how dare you?
		Because of something Netanyahu does or something Mark Levin or Ben Shapiro says, of course not.
		Because of what the Israeli military or government does, just like, just like I don't want somebody on the other side of the planet that sees the crap that the American military does or the American government does and then say, it's you.
		It's your fault.
		No, I don't want that.
		No, I'm against that.
	I call that out.
	Oh, but see now the precedent has been set.
	No, no, no, no, no, the Israeli flag represents all Jewish people.
	It's not just about a country now.
	So if you burn that, you could be looking at a hate crime charge with this new precedent that's just been set.
	So be careful now.
	Be careful out there liberals, you plan on burning a flag.
	This was the decision quoting from the decision.
	The star of David emblazoned on the Israeli flag symbolizes the Jewish race.
	Targeting the star of David is as racially motivated as using a highly offensive racial slur like the N word, said Judge McFadden.
	Oh, I didn't know using the N word was a crime.
	I wonder if these orthodox Jews burning the Israeli flag would face hate crime charges.
	But no, this is a new precedent now.
	This is a new precedent now.
	Now, I don't like people burning the American flag.
	And I would say, just like I would say about the Israeli flag, if you burn the Israeli flag and maybe there's a Jew or an Israeli there and they don't like that and they decide to sock you in the face.
	Well, that's that's that's probably you know that that's a risk you take.
	Now that person will probably get charged with an assault maybe but yeah it's like I I see because I saw this in Cleveland in 2016 at the RNC.
	Joe Biggs was there, veteran Purple Heart recipient.
	By the way, today is Purple Heart recipient day, August 7.
	Today we honor the brave.
	The Purple Heart is the oldest military award and one of the most prestigious the US bestows upon its service members.
	On Purple Heart Day, we pause to honor and remember the bravery and sacrifice of our wounded and fallen heroes.
	So Purple Heart Day.
	So Joe Biggs, Purple Heart recipient, still waiting to get his pardon.
	Thank God he got released from jail at least.
	But no, he saw a guy burning the American flag in Cleveland and he busted through a crowd of people to try to stop it out and got into a little skirmish.
	So it's like, yeah, okay, I'd say you have the right to burn your own property.
	You have the right to burn the American flag.
	It's your own property.
	It's your own speech.
	I don't like that.
	I think you're an a hole.
unidentified		But yeah, and I see a veteran.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I see a Purple Heart recipient that takes that a little more personally maybe than me, decide he wants to kick you.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		punch you hmm yeah actions have consequences so just like okay you you go up to a woman and try to rip her flag out of her hand she ends up on the ground yeah you're getting charged you're a criminal absolutely but now they're going to say because she's Jewish because it's an Israeli flag we have to charge you even more seriously we have to up the charge now we have to make this more than a normal case.
unidentified		Hmm.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And so this is my frustration as we get through this.
		And really, these two things are probably totally separate, but this is my frustration with the administration.
		I don't think this has anything to do with this new legal precedent or all the favoritism that you're getting if you have an issue from the Israeli perspective or from a Jewish perspective.
		But from the deep state perspective, yeah, they put thousands of innocent Americans in prison.
		They stole an election.
		They essentially faked a pandemic, shut down the economy, and then forced a deadly vaccine on people.
		So yeah, I'm not satisfied with a grand jury.
		I'm not satisfied with a couple of FBI agents getting walked out the door.
		I want arrests.
		I want arrests.
		So I make a joke like, oh, if I was Jewish they'd get arrested.
		And that's just a joke.
		I don't think that's the truth.
		I separate these two things entirely.
		But getting back to this issue, so you got this girl, a graduate student, and I guess she had some job on campus too.
		I'm unclear.
		She gets into an altercation with this guy at the gym who has an IDF shirt on and it's a verbal altercation and it looks like there might have been some mix up on the machine and she tries to grab her water bottle.
		I don't know.
		It's very unclear.
		But see, I would also just say this, they obviously have cameras.
		The gym obviously has security cameras.
		There's no way I'd be stunned if the Florida State University Gym rec center weight room doesn't have cameras and didn't have this on camera.
		So, I mean, this is an assumption, but I would assume if there was a physical altercation that should result in an assault charge, because that's what she's fateful, battery.
		FSU employee charged with battery.
		Now, now the Florida State is even reviewing her eligibility, I guess as a as a student and as an employee there.
		No, I would guess.
		Woman accused of anti-Semitism charged with battery showing a using a woman using explicit criticizing explicit is criticizing Israel charged with battery.
		So criticizing Israel is battery.
		And again, there's a there's a weird moment in that video where it looks like she's like reaching over.
		It looks like she's grabbing a water bottle or something.
		It doesn't look like she's trying to I mean, I don't know.
		To me, it doesn't look like she's trying to go after the individual.
		I don't know.
		We all know these leftists can get physical, but I would assume, I'd say 98.9% chance that altercation was caught on a Florida State Gymnasium security camera.
		And I would also assume that the victim, the guy in the IDF shirt, has lawyers on this that have requested that video.
		Now, maybe they got it.
		Maybe they didn't.
		I would say the odds are that they have.
		And you know, given the nature of the situation, if there was.
		a physical altercation, if there was a battery, they would be releasing that footage.
unidentified		Absolutely.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So the fact that we haven't seen security camera footage from the weight room tells me that no, she did not physically batter that man.
		She might have, she might have aggressively leaned over or leaned in.
		Maybe she was grabbing something she left on the machine or maybe she thought about doing something.
		But to me, I mean, battery.?
		Do you think you would have a similar outcome?
		By the way, the federal government is involved in this.
		The federal government is involved in this now.
		So actually upon further review, actually it looks like he might even assault her again.
		I don't know.
		You can only see so much because he's just sitting there filming, but it looks like to me.
		It looks like she's reaching over there.
		Like maybe the whole altercation became an issue because of they were trying to use the same machine.
		To me, it looks like she's reaching over to grab something and then and then he whacks her arm, but I don't know.
		It's unclear.
		If there if this was a in fact I think you can see a security camera even in that shot at the end.
		Of course it's on security camera folks.
		There's security cameras everywhere.
		Look I can see two right there.
		I believe those are two security cameras right there.
		I can see them.
		Would you guys agree that those are probably security cameras right there?
		Pause it right there.
		I mean I don't know.
		I guess they could be lights.
		But the point is if if this woman battered him.
		There is most certainly another angle of this that they would be pushing out to say, see, look at the anti-Semitism, look at this woman.
unidentified		She battered a man.
		Hold on a second.
		Somebody's in my ear.
		Are you guys talking to me?
		I can't tell.
		You guys were just in my ear or was that an audio glitch?
		What was that?
		Okay, sorry.
		We're getting our guests lined up.
		So, but, oh my gosh.
		So the federal government is involved in this?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		they're investigating this and we're thinking about charges for battery and hate crime because of a verbal altercation at the gym over a goofy liberal college student who doesn't like an IDF shirt.
		Can you imagine the roles reversed?
		Imagine somebody wore a free Palestine shirt or imagine somebody wore like a I like Hamas shirt even.
		And maybe a pro-Israel activist or a Jew saw that.
		and flicked them off and said some explicitives and maybe there was some weird.
		Do you think it would be the same issue here?
		Do you think there would be a federal case in defense of the guy in the free Hamas shirt?
		Do you think the federal government would be acting on behalf of the individual in the free Palestine shirt?
		Do you think there would be a federal case.
		Do you think the university would be looking at it as a hate crime?
		Do you think?
		Now moving on because, hey, the Trump administration has defeated DEI, except not really.
		Again, these are these, this is a Jewish outlet.
		So I could bring it from the left and they'd say, oh, it's the antisemitic left.
		I could bring it from the right.
		They'd say, oh, it's the antisemitic left forward dot com dot Go right to their landing page.
		This is they are a Jewish news outlet.
		Trump bans DEI at universities but endorses it for Jewish students.
		So it turns out this is at Bro Brown in Columbia where they've had the big, the big back and forth with the Trump administration and then paid a bunch of money out.
		Well, as part of the settlement, it mandates that the schools have an exclusively Jewish student liaison there to support any Jewish student needs.
		And they have protected characteristics.
		I mean, it's crazy.
		They will have Jewish exclusive facilities on campus.
		They will have Jewish only events and they will have in they will have a dedicated budget for security at the Jewish only facilities now on campus.
		They will also be forced to go through training.
		Like, you know, you maybe if you've been to college, you may recall you get there and then they they give you some slideshow about orientation.
		Sure, but it's beyond orientation.
		Like you go through orientation, but then you have to do like a three hour deal on drinking and drugs and sex and other stuff that you might want to get into in college.
		And so you do like these internet slideshows and stuff.
		Now they got a new one for you on anti-Semitism.
		By the way, they're all stupid.
		What is this?
		A kindergarten here?
		These are 18-year-old students.
		Let's just stop it.
		But so, but here's the reverse effect.
		Because look, I don't want somebody being targeted because they're Jewish.
		I'm not going to sit here and deny there's a rise of anti-Semitism.
		Just like I don't want somebody targeted for being white or black or anything.
		But see, the issue is that you have all these people crying about Jews getting better treatment and this, this administration being all about Jews.
		And then you can say, oh, that's not true.
		But then you just give them more evidence like this.
		Now you've got a federal police probe over a car with a swastika on it.
		I kid you not.
		A car with a swastika.
		There's a federal investigation.
		No crime involved.
		Now there was a crime in St. Louis where somebody fire bombed multiple vehicles and then wrote death to the IDF on the street, which is extremely suspicious.
		There's a federal investigation into that.
		All right, we're about to be joined here in five minutes by FBI whistleblower Steve Friend, and I think he's got some breaking news for us.
		He can respond to some of the stuff that was breaking earlier today on the Alex Jones Show with Kyle Serafin.
unidentified		And then Kyle, I know, is going to have some other angles.
		He's going to be joining us this hour as well when Steve departs.
		So this is all coming up for you next.
		And again, this is in response to these stories coming out today.
		Former acting FBI director Brian Driscoll and other officials pushed out.
		Sources say FBI firing senior officials at odds with Trump administration.
		Well, what I kind of want to dig into past the developments today.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		today with Steve and Kyle is to try to kind of understand how this happens.
		In other words, how do you have a situation where the FBI director is unaware of these actors and it takes a set of circumstances for him to realize what's going on and have them removed?
		Because it's just a little confusing to me knowing who Dan Bongino is and knowing who Cash Patel is.
		It's like, yeah, these guys are not strangers to the concept of the deep state.
		They're certainly not strangers to the concept of corrupt FBI agents.
		In fact, Dan Bongino, I know he worked with Kyle Sarafin on a film.
		I don't know if Steve Friend was part of that, but it's like they've they've literally done documentaries about this.
		They've written books about this.
		They've done media tours about this.
		So you'd think, hey, that's kind of an agenda item.
		That's kind of an item that you're going to go right in there and say, hey, we got to identify who was running these operations and get rid of them.
		So again, I don't know.
		There could be reasons why it didn't happen.
		There could be reasons like staffing reasons.
		There could be reasons like other protocol reasons or maybe Trump is making a bunch of requests.
		And so they had to take it.
		And then it's like, okay, well, then is it because Cash found out that this guy was flying him around on the jet?
		You know, so it's all, it's, it's, it's very strange.
		It's long overdue.
		It's a good sign.
		But it's just like, how do we get here?
		How did we, How did it take six months in?
		And I don't know when Patel was officially confirmed in and sworn in, but it's like, what?
		You knew that these people were in there.
		You knew they were running January 6 entrapment schemes.
		You knew that they were running an entrapment scheme in Michigan.
		You knew that they were running illegitimate operations against President Trump., including the raid on Mar a Lago, maybe most importantly, maybe most obviously.
		So what you didn't think to go into the files and find out who was running that stuff.
		But I don't know.
		That's why I'm saying, well, let's see what the actual FBI agents say.
		Maybe there's, there's, maybe there's something, maybe there's a reason why it took this long.
		And then, and then what does it mean for the FBI?
		I think is another question.
		But obviously, and you can hear this from Kyle earlier, and I don't know if Steve wants to get into this when he joins us in 90 seconds.
		But obviously, there are still a lot of good people inside the FBI.
		Now, I can understand why not everyone wants to be a Steve Friend or a Garrett O'Boyle or a Kyle Sarafin.
		I can understand that.
		You know, it's it's a certain type of personality that's that's willing to take that step and put their name out there and their family out there.
		And so that's that's a different type of individual versus somebody that's going to say, you know what, I'm going to stay here and I'm going to do my job.
		But if there's an outlet, if there's a resource where I can get information out there, then I'm going to do my part there.
		But I need to keep my job, whether it's financial reasons or comfort reasons or they just they really love the job.
		But I'm going to be asking FBI whistleblower Steve Friend on the other side.
		It's like, okay, how do we get here?
		Is there a good excuse why it took so long?
		And should I feel good that now they're going to prioritize this and look into some of these other cases?
		Because I think crimes were committed when you're targeting individuals like parents that don't like their kids getting porn taught to them in schools and you're targeting them.
		All right, FBI whistleblower Steve Friend joins us now.
		Now, Steve, I'm sure you're aware of the conversations that Kyle, Sarah Finn, and Alex Jones were having ear earlier on the show the headlines about the FBI agents that have been walked out in disgrace.
		By the way, the narrative is kind of unclear here.
		I'm not saying I I'm not seeing anybody saying that they were fired but pushed out.
		I don't think that's an insignificant thing.
		But but here to break it all down is FBI whistleblower Steve Friend.
		Where do you want to start, Steve?
		Do you want to start with the developments from today and then maybe kind of work our way through how we got here?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's fine by me.
		I mean, I think we're all kind of waiting for the official narrative as to what the nature of their exit was, whether or not they were forced to resign or if they were in fact terminated.
		Maybe in fact the FBI used it what it did against all the FBI whistleblowers and that is suspending a security clearance because that's really the hack around the way that they can remove you from duty and say, look, it's within our view because the Supreme Court decision said that we're a member of the intelligence community and we're going to question your loyalty to the United States government.
		So you're an unpaid indefinitely suspended until further notice, sort of status that, you know, myself, Kyle, Garrett, a Boyle currently sits in now around 1050 days.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would ask the question of is that like a strategic thing to make sure that you're a member of the intelligence community?
		So it's a strategic thing to maybe stop them from talking or going into whistleblower status, but you guys obviously are not you're not shy to talk to the media.
		So I so I guess that logic doesn't really play out.
		So what would the strategy be then for them to kind of put them in a situation like you guys have been in, like a holding pattern, instead of just direct firing them?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that the strategy that the FBI used for the whistleblowers was a workaround for retaliation laws.
		So the law is very clear.
		If you bring forward a reasonable concern of waste, fraud, abuse, risk to the public safety, violation, rule, policy, procedure, you have the right to certain protections under the law.
		They can't retaliate against you, but the FBI has become very proficiency at retaliating against you, but not doing it officially.
		And then they use the security clearance to do that.
		I'm just kind of offering that as potentially the reason or the justification that they use to remove them from duty.
		But if you press me for it, if you had a gun to my head, I would probably go with they removed them via a termination.
		They found something like they lacked candor.
		There was some sort of insubordination here.
		From what I'm understanding about Brian Driscoll, there's adequate and a very sufficient amount of evidence here about him being insubordinate.
		And that goes back to him being the acting director before Cash Patel took the helm.
		So there is a gap in time.
		He was actually promoted after that.
		So to justify that would be difficult.
		But when he was the acting director of the FBI, he refused to cooperate with the Attorney General of the United States.
		There was a directive for him to provide a list of employees who were involved with the January 6 investigations, and he refused to do that.
		And now today, from what I'm learning, because Brian Driscoll is currently in charge of SERG, which means the Critical Incident Response Group, he has oversight of the pilot program.
		So the pilots who fly around the Gulf Stream 550 are under his jurisdiction.
		a directive to fire the pilot who's been flying Cash Patel around, who was the case agent on the Mar a Lago classified documents raid.
		So he apparently refused to do that.
		Again, was insubordinate.
		And now that we have a new sheriff in town with Cash Patel there, and he was a little embarrassed by the fact that the guy who's been flying him around for the last six or seven months was a member or actually had oversight of the worst example of weaponization that we've seen in the last few years from the FBI where we sent armed agents to the former president's house and they rode around his wife's underwear drawer.
		That guy was privileged enough to fly the director around and most recently to New Zealand last week, half a world away.
		That made the FBI director rather upset.
		So he gave that directive and Brian Driscoll didn't follow through.
		So now chopping block, his name is up there.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I look at the situation from two weeks ago where they finally dumped Maureen Comey.
		And I mean, I won't get into the thoughts I have on that, but it was like, okay, they just, they just, they just bumped fire her.
		They just said, okay, you're done.
		It wasn't like there was an incident that they pointed to.
		They just said, no, you're just, you're fired here.
		So it's not like they can't just fire people.
		I mean, they can, they can fire you if they want.
		So it's kind of a strange thing that we're kind of in like this no man's land trying to figure out exactly what went on.
		There's no doubt though for Driscoll.
		Yeah, insubordination would be an easy excuse if if you needed one.
		He kind of became an activist, even.
		He was like, he was like an activist to the left.
		It wasn't like something where he was doing whistleblower stuff with problems with the FBI.
		He kind of just came out as like, no, I'm really anti Trump, maybe subtly, but yeah, that was kind of the message I think he was trying to perceive.
		But then the issue with Jensen is, you know, he's all over the january 6 stuff and Giardina as well.
		So, you know, this is where I kind of wonder and I want to get your expertise on process here.
		I'm just saying if I'm Cash Patel, these are things that are already on my radar.ar, right?
		These are things that I'm kind of going into the administration thinking about.
		I'm thinking about the wrongs during January 6.
		I'm thinking about the wrongs done to President Donald Trump.
		It's not like they're unfamiliar with these events.
		They've talked about them for years.
		I'm thinking if you become the new FBI director, that's got to be like that's something right on your radar.
		I mean, that's something you're digging right into and saying, who's doing this stuff?
		Did that not happen?
		And if not, why would that be?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		It did not happen.
		I think the most benign, innocent explanation that you could give for both Cash and Dan Bongino going in was that it was a philosophical decision they made that they were going to go in and win hearts and minds rather than use shock and awe.
		And the mandate that we all had and that I was very optimistic about seeing was shock and awe.
		We're going to remove the problematic personnel.
		And if you happen to remove the wrong person, this is not like a kinetic action overseas where there's collateral damage.
		Collateral damage personnel, why don't you just bring that person back, but instead they went in with the false presupposition that they were going to restore the default settings within the FBI, that they bought into the narrative that you see on the Fox News of the world that there's a lot of good men and women of the FBI and they just needed to have rigorous obedience to the Constitution be the prime directive once more.
		And we would return to a time where.
		time where the FBI represented fidelity, bravery, and integrity.
		But That's just not true.
		I mean, other than guys like Kyle Sarafran, Garrett O'Boyle, Marcus Allen, Phil Kennedy, and others who are not known well around media, social media, the guys who brought forward reasonable concerns blew the whistle because we actually followed our training and our directive as agents.
		We said, hey, look, if we are off the rails here, it is incumbent on you as an agent or even employee of the agency to throw the flag and say, no, police battalion 101 actually happened in history.
		It's never acceptable to just follow orders with things that are unethical, illegal, immoral or unconstitutional.
		But most FBI agents didn't do that.
		They stuck their heads down, just followed orders.
		And then when Cash and Dan arrive, the one thing that the people are really proficient at at the Hoover building is bubble wrapping management and leadership.
		And that's exactly what they did.
		They distracted them.
		They said, tapped you on the shoulder.
		Let me show you the secret James Comey room, so you won't really be there doing the actual change that we want you to do.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, like the burn bags that were just totally just a buzzword narrative?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		The burn bags, I guess Cash Patel was rooting around like a raccoon going through the garbage because the FBI, I guess, uses typewriters again all of a sudden.
		It's not like it's all saved on a classified server at his fingertips whenever.
		because he wants to pretend that he's living in a spy novel.
		Well, they went in there, they got distracted, and I don't even think they looked at the org chart.
		If you're the director of the FBI, you are 14 levels above the beat agent, the brick agent who's working a case.
		And because they're stressed out and the people there have convinced them that if they're not briefed up on the highest priority cases every single day and knowing the intimate details of those cases, then New York or Washington, DC could be exploded because of a terrorism attack.
		That's just not reasonable.
		The FBI director and particularly the deputy director are in charge of kind of moving the chess pieces around the board, setting a vision, reorienting the strategy.
		and reprioritizing what the agency is actually supposed to do.
		You don't have to be briefed up on the intimate details of every little case.
		You have to actually trust, if you do believe that there are good men and women at the FBI, you have to trust the experience and the training of those people to do those cases.
		But because they're distracted, they're not actually bringing out the change, which is why we're not seeing a change in the intelligence collection processes that are going on at the FBI.
		They're actually bragging about that, beefing that up.
		We haven't seen a removal of what has been my cause, and that is integrated program management, IPM, which is a code word, government speak, for a quota system, because the FBI has a quota system.
		system and requires agents to arrest a certain number of people, use specific tools, author certain intelligence products every single year.
		And if you do that, then the funding flows from Congress because they can go back and say, look at all the terrorists that we stopped, even though we trapped all these people and give us billions and more dollars and senior executives in every single field office are getting financial bonuses because their subordinates are arresting the right number of people.
		This is not widget making.
		It's not a factory.
		This is law enforcement.
		Your goal theoretically is to bring crime down.
		If you achieve the mission and you eradicate crime, you kind of work yourself out of a job, but that's not what a bureaucracy is.
		interested in growing.
		You want to get more capabilities, more goodies, more personnel, more funding.
		So they work harder, not harder.
		They redefine what it means to be a terrorist so that they can go after people.
		And it goes from real terrorists to homegrown violent extremists, domestic violent extremists, militias violent extremists, racially motivated violent extremists.
		Mom at school board meeting is an anti government, anti anti-vaccinator.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I was like, whoa.
		And I giggled when you said that because Patel and Bonjino, I believe both of them have said essentially the FBI needs to be either completely revamped or even shut down.
		I think Patel said just shut it down even.
		So it's funny that you say, Oh, no, actually, it's all about making it bigger.
		It's like, Hmm, I wonder if they've changed their minds on that.
		Well, it sounds to me like there's no way Patel didn't know who was flying his jet.
		I mean, I don't know.
		I guess there's plausible deniability.
		He didn't know who was flying him around, but it seems like if you're a competent FBI director, you got to know who's flying your plane.
		I mean, it's literally your life, right?
		I mean, do you think he didn't know?
		Do you think he just didn't think much of it?
		I mean, how do you even end up in because I look at this development and I say, does Driscoll even get fired if Sarafin doesn't post that ex post a coupleple days ago?
		Does this even happen?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		No, there's no way.
		There's no way.
		I mean, from what I understand, Cash Patel might be hating listening to Kyle Serifin's podcast on a daily basis to find out what kind of personnel changes need to be made.
		I mean, I guess you could wait six to eight months to see what's going to happen, or you could just listen to Kyle because he's so tapped into what's going on there.
		That was a huge black guy, but look, in Cash Patel's defense, he might not have read the resume of the guy who's flying the plane, might have presumed that this is probably a competent person and isn't really doing anything other than flying planes.
		But I think they made the same mistake with Stephen Jensen.
		They came in and said, look, they heard from the people inside the Hoover building, here's a guy, he's a company guyy, been around for almost twenty years, has a background in national security, and they said, okay, let's promote him.
		They didn't know that he was the J six warlord who architect the FBI response to the entire J six event and the way that they went after people in such a weaponized way.
		The problem then was, instead of course correcting and saying, oh, they slipped one pass, that would then be tantamount to an admission that they didn't have control of the people within their sphere in the Hoover building.
		So they leaned into that really hard and they poked and prodded their people on social media to go out and say, oh no, actually, he knows where the bodies are buried.
		This is a genius move.
		This is a four dimensional underwater chess and they're going to get everything for us.
		No, that didn't happen.
		And then in fact, Cash Patel even said on cable news that Steve Jensen, he raised concerns, but at the end of the day, there's a chain of command and he just followed orders.
		And that's what the American people should expect.
		That's not what I did.
		That's not what Kyle did.
		That's not what any of the whistleblowers did, because we actually recognize what in fact is our job, and that is to protect the American people against fraud and force.
		And that includes when the agency itself becomes an enemy of the people.
		You have to throw that flag.
		And I don't think enough people came forward.
		And the only thing that Cash Patel and Dambongino do definitely know upon arrival is that everyone within their sphere failed to do so that and that's a problem.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to wrap my head around this, not to make excuses for them, but I guess you could call it that.
		Could demoralization be a problem?
		I mean, maybe they get in there and they have all these high hopes.
		It's like, I don't know, maybe you get, maybe you're a baseball player or something, you get signed to a new team in the offseason and you get these high hopes and then you get there and you realize, oh my, this team sucks and you just kind of, you're just demoralized.
		You get over it.
		You're not talking about winning championships anymore.
		Could it be something like that?
		Like, you know, Cash gets in there, he's all hyped and then he gets in there and it's like, oh my gosh, this is the FBI, this thing is a mess.
		Demoralization happens and he kind of just gives up.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's certainly something you could speculate on, but I think that they don't know the actual power that they have at their fingertips as the FBI director and the deputy director.
		There should never be a time where the FBI director says, This is a problematic person.
		This person was engaging in activities that were outside of policy, potentially unconstitutional, illegal.
		They should be removed from duty.
		And then the human resources gal comes into the room and says, No, you can't do that.
		A legitimate leader, someone who is an energetic executive would come in and say, No, that gets done by the close of business today.
		And if it doesn't, then you're out of a job next man up.
		That was the expectation that I had going on.
		And we gave Cash Patel a list of people who were problematic and many of them were actually promoted until recently.
		And now maybe this could be a good sign.
		Maybe we're going to course correct.
		I wish it hadn't happened in August.
		I wish they had snapped their fingers and done a single pen stroke and put my buddy Garrett Aboyle back on the payroll at least, like Brian Aughton, the intelligence analyst who was part of the Russian collusion hoax who still sits on paid suspension.
		Garrett though, almost three years now, four small children.
		Can you let me ask you this personally.
		I've been doing this since 2022.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Okay, put your FBI analysis hat down.
		Put the FBI whistleblower status down for a second.
		Let me ask you just as a person.
		I know the suspendables were essentially promised that there would be some form of redemption here, okay?
		Specifically that if you wanted your jobs back, you could have them.
		Didn't happen.
		What goes through your mind?
unidentified		How do you how do you deal with that?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		It's, uh, it's harder to deal with because three years ago, at least they had the decency to stab me in the chest.
		But now having been part of essentially the ascendancy of Cash Patel, Damon Gino, and you can even argue that Donald Trump owes a significant portion of his ascendancy back to the presidency to the information that FBI whistleblowers brought forward because of the weaponization That galvanized the appetite for the American people to vote overwhelmingly for his election in 2024.
		And then to be told that, well, you might have a position here and then that doesn't happen.
		I mean, I'm not endeavoring to do that.
		I didn't do it for selfish reasons.
		But then to find out that not only has it not happened, they haven't had a book end for us where we've had a reinstatement of our security clearance or back pay or anything like that.
		But beyond that, that the FBI director and deputy director are going to members of Congress and saying that my friends and I have character issues.
		Actually going diametrically opposite and not saying, we're not just going to not bring you back to where you were, but we're going to continue to press to press down on the pedal here and message that you're a problem person that's going to prohibit you from having any sort of future prospects.
		Oh, and I got rejected recently for a overnight security guard position that was hourly and required a GED and the ability to stand because I didn't meet the standards.
		Now, I can't help but think that there's a little bit of influence coming from my ex girlfriend over the FBI with that.
		And that's not a one-off.
		I mean, I got rejected to work at a car wash, at a gas station, at a loading dock for a big box door.
		And I had a reference for that.
		The sacrifice that I made that my family made, we did that because it was the right thing to do.
		But we shouldn't have to pay for that for the rest of our lives.
		There needs to be a book end here.
		There needs to be a redemption aspect to this story so that we can move on.
		If they don't want us, it's their carnival now.
		They can run things.
		I'm happy to be a resource.
		I'm happy to make recommendations, bring information forward to them if they want it.
		I never expected to have a paycheck back from them, but I shouldn't have to pay for that for the remainder of my time on Earth.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I'm curious how they're handling it now.
		And I kind of use this as a reference point.
		Obviously, I've never worked in the federal government, specifically at the FBI like you have, but I've seen instances in media where people will change teams or get a new job and they'll say, Oh, no, no doubt, I'll bring you in, I'll hire you as my team member.
		And then someone says, You can't do that.
		And then they basically just never talk again.
		It's like, Well, what the hell?
		One example I'll never forget, you know, Laura Ingraham and Michael Savage were always good friends.
		Michael Savage has been famously blacklisted from Fox News, when Laura Ingraham got her job, she promised Michael on his show, she said, I promise I'll get you on the show.
		She never did and they don't talk anymore.
		And so I'm just wondering, is it like a similar thing, like Bongino, Patel, do they just ghost you?
		Do they just like to pretend you don't exist?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yeah, I mean, frankly, yes.
		I don't want to put people's names on anything, but let's just say that I was promised specific positions on staff for high level people within the FBI.
		I was called personally and then I was never contacted again after I agreed to do that.
		So, yeah, again, I'm happy to be a resource.
		I really my greatest optimism was about reforming the agency to take the teeth out of this attack dog and restore it to some semblance of an objective force for good.
		I can do that from the inside, I can do that from the outside, but if it is, in fact, a position on the outside, I have to also be able to go and earn an income for my family and I. And for whatever reason, they've made the decision to send the message that that can't happen because if you step outside and embarrass the FBI in any way,
		then the message has to come across that you are destroyed because they don't want anyone else to come forward ever again, even if it is for the right reasons, and even if it is reasonable, even if it is in my situation, information that has been 100% vindicated.
		Tulsi Gabbard declassified documents about five or six weeks ago that said that I was 100% correct on this one.
		All I wanted was that matter taken up and adjudicated, and I would have gone back to work, but that didn't happen.
		Instead, you bring that concern forward..
		Oh, we're embarrassed now, Steve.
		So now you have to pay the price because they come and go, Hobbs, but the institution is forever, the institution over the constitution when it comes to this out of control weaponized agency.
		And regardless of who is in charge, if it's James Comey, Christopher Wray, or apparently Cash Patel, we get the exact same problems.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It just, to me, it doesn't make any logical sense unless I'm going to start reaching really bad conclusions here.
		It doesn't make any logical sense because, again, Dan Bongino had one of the biggest podcasts going critical of the FBI regularly, extremely critical.
		Patel going around, doing media tours, huge Podcasts, huge TV shows, major critic of the FBI.
		And now you're sitting here and you're saying, wait a second, I'm still being blackballed, I'm still being blacklisted because I'm a critic of the FBI when the two guys that are at the top of the FBI have been just as critical as me.
		That's what I'm saying.
		It's like, you know, you have to start to have deductive reasoning and try to reach logical conclusions here.
		And I don't like the conclusions I'm reaching.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		My perspective is, you know, I love my friends.
		If my friends are doing something that's bad for them, that's negative, I want to tell them when they're doing that.
		And even if it makes them mad, they don't want to be my friend any more, as long as I take the corrective action, then I can live with that.
		And that's kind of my perspective now.
		I'm on the outside.
		I'm rooting for Cash Patel and Dambagio.
		They might get a bad feeling when I say this.
		Apparently, they're telling that to members of Congress that I'm undermining their authority by criticizing them.
		And I'm hardly sarcastic or trolling.
		I'm pretty academic with my criticisms.
		I say, like, you guys are as an agency taking credit for things you didn't do.
		It's hurting your ability to liaise with local and state partners when a traffic officer pulls a vehicle over and pulls a kilo cocaine out.
		And then you put a press release out and say that, wow, the FBI interdicted a massive drug trafficking operation.
		No, you didn't.
		You took credit for things you didn't do and you shouldn't do that.
		And I've told Cash Patel that.
		So when I say that, I'm sharing that information.
		That's me calling out and saying because I can't have a direct conversation with them anymore.
		They've cut all ties, cut all lines of communication.
		That's me saying, this is the corrective action that I would be recommending if I was sitting at your side and I don't have to sit at your side to do that.
		You don't have to bring me in.
		I want you to succeed.
		I want you to reform this agency because to me, and I know I'm siloed in this, to me an out of control, weaponized FBI is the greatest threat to this country being a going concern going forward.
		We cannot have a stasi, a KGB, a KGB.
		or a checka that is capable of intelligence collection and the ability to take away your freedom and potentially your life and can expect to operate as a land that is free.
		We're allegedly free at this point.
		But as it's born out, and particularly in the last presidential administration, when the mask fully came off and we saw a weaponized agency and we got to the bottom of the slippery slope that all the Ron Paulites and libertarians.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So Steve, I hold that thought right there.
		We're up against break.
		And I would just say while we close this out, ironically enough, you kind of seem to have more of an impact from the outside, but they still need to do right for you.
		They still need to restore your good character and your good stand, whether you want another job or not.
		I don't know, but that needs to happen.
		All right, I wanted to hold FBI whistleblower Steve Friend over so we could finish his shot.
		We're also now joined by Kyle Sarafin.
		So we're going to have, we got two FBI whistleblowers on here and it'll maybe even be nice for them to kind of just bounce off of one another and I can just sit here like a mannequin kind of directing the conversation with some talking points.
		But Steve, you were, you had an ex you had a thought you were trying to express before we were cut off by the break.
		If you want to try to finish that now.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think the finishing thought is that we are on the outside or on the inside.
		It doesn't really matter to me.
		I think that the out of control weapon.ized FBI presents the greatest challenge to the country to remain a country going forward.
		And this has been the cause of myself, of Kyle, and all the other whistleblowers that we've been harping on this now for nine on three years.
		And the fact that we were so optimistic was because we thought it was falling on the guys that were going in there.
		We thought that they took that seriously.
		And I think that that's just been a devastating realization to come to that perhaps, in fact, now that they've been installed, they've been successfully co-opted, bubble wrapped, whatever term you prefer, and we're not going to see those changes that are absolutely necessary.
		I'm not even talking about my own.
		personal situation.
		I'm worried for my kids.
		I'm worried for the future.
		And if the FBI continues to operate as it is, as it continues to be an intelligence agency with a gun, then that doesn't bode well for us as a country going forward.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And I'll inject this and then I'll bring Kyle in and he can either respond to this or get to the kind of news from today with some alternative angles.
		And we were texting before the show too, if he wants to get into some of that.
		But I agree with that and I expand on that.
		And this is why sometimes I get frustrated with the Trump administration.
		And so Alex Jones comes busting in here.
		If we don't if we don't get the deep state rest from this administration, then I don't know what happens.
		If we don't, if we don't maintain the House in the midterms, then I don't know what happens.
		I don't know.
		Now I could sit here and say the the less Trump delivers, then the more hardcore the next Republican candidate will have to be, the next, the next, the more hardcore the next Republican president will have to be, and I do believe that will be the case, but there's no guarantees of that.
		There's no guarantees that another hardcore Republican could even win, especially depending on what happens in the midterms.
		So I can't, I can't bet on that because it's not an assured thing.
		I know Trump in there is in there now.
		I know the FBI director and deputy director apparently used to want to to do stuff to the deep state and I'm just sitting here saying, you know, I'm like I'm like John Travolta in Pulp Fiction.
		Like what's going on?
		So Kyle, I don't know if you want to respond to that or get into the big news from today.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		I know, let's respond to that.
		I agree with you.
		I think Donald Trump basically represents a speed bump at this point.
		He is a slowdown on the agenda that was going on, but he's not a reversal.
		He's not a U turn, not in any meaningful way.
		So Steve Friend and I have actually had this conversation privately and I think we've shared it in some forums.
		This was a very transactional vote.
		I wanted you to be pardoned.
		I wanted my friend Steve Baker to be pardoned and not have to serve a sentence because he was a journalist on January 6 and you were standing outside.
		I didn't want that on your record for the rest of your life.
		Like that was kind of what I wanted out of this presidency.
		So I got that on day one.
		So I'm being greedy at this point going forward.
		If I'm being totally honest, I'm very greedy about it.
		I want all the stuff.
		I want the reversal.
		I want the U turn.
		I don't want a speed bump and someone just pressing the brakes.
		But we haven't gotten all the things we wanted.
		And then I also kind of would like it if this guy de-weaponized this agency that came after my family that investigated me criminally, simply because I pointed out the things that are obviously wrong.
		Like you shouldn't be holding people's First Amendment hostage and using it to go against them.
		You shouldn't be going out there saying the Christian faith is enough for us to come and get you.
		And if you have Christian beliefs that say that you think that a vaccine that was developed with some sort of fetal cell line is antithetical to your belief, then you're persona non grata and we're going to come after you.
		We're going to actually investigate you and we're going to try to align you with the domestic terrorist force.
		I'm finding out, I would, I'm finding out behind the scenes that the FBI's discussions about COVID vaccines, which is where this all ends up going back to for both Steve and for me and for Garrett O'Boyle and for all the guys that I know that were involved in this, it was an initial resistance to something where they said, you must do this.
		And we're like, why the hell are you guys so interested in us doing this?
		Like, you know, this a normal religious accommodation process would have been no big deal.
		There were a small number of people that said they didn't want to.
		I'd already had the disease.
		I got it in 2020.
		So like, I was fine.
		I didn't need it.
		I didn't need a shot in 2021.
		And they were so driving that it made every single fiber in my being go like, what, what is going on here?
		I've got more questions.
		And the discussions at the FBI executives, including some of the people like Steve Jensen, who was apparently removed today, these people were vehemently opposed to us existing inside the Bureau and tried to align people who said no to a vaccine because of religious reasons with domestic terrorism, which by the way, wasn't domestic terrorism.
		It was just what they called people who peacefully protested outside of the Capitol on January 6.
		And yes, there was a riot.
		And yes, there were some shenanigans that went on.
		But let's be real.
		I was an FBI agent in Washington, DC from 2016 until 2021.
		I saw what happened during the summer of 2020.
		I was there when they had the Neal Team Sixers drop a knee and show solidarity with BLM, even though there was no obvious threat to them.
		And I saw people put secret service people in the hospital, like our secret service uniform agents and the protective detail that was outside the White House.
		They put President Trump in the freaking bunker because they were trying to ra raid the White House and they had to put antiscaled fencing.
		Like a bunch of people were hospitalized over this.
		And my team was called out of a covert surveillance role to stand there with body armor on and rifles and try to make sure that no antifa people raided the north lawn of the White House.
		So I know what it looked like and I know that January 6 was a much shorter version of that and I know what the prosecutions looked like on both sides.
		One got nothing, no investigation, no national push, no significant efforts to identify every single person wearing a mask.
		And the other was able to identify MAGA grandmas, even though they still can't find the pipe bomber.
		If we remember the guys that are in charge right now, did they promise some things like they were going to find the pipe bomber?
		find out who had the cocaine in the White House.
		Steve always points out that they were going to go after the Dobbs leaker, even though that's not a crime, but they were going to find that person anyway for some reason.
		Like there's a lot of priorities that our FBI has been saying.
		They were going to do stuff about releasing the Epstein files and give us the truth.
		And then they immediately just went like, nah, never mind.
		We're just going to do a really, really bad PR job.
		And they're finally, after eight months, they're essentially doing the stuff that I told them they should have been doing on January 20.
		Because this was what my social media said.
		I just got a text message between the time that you asked me to come on here and being on Alex Jones show and like right now.
		And it was from somebody inside the Hoover building that said, Kyle Sarafin might as well be the FBI director because his Twitter account is dictating the policies and the direction that the FBI is doing.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's what I should have told them.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		How dumb is that?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But see, but so dumb.
		That's what I said to Steve earlier.
		I said this, Driscoll and Jensen and Giordani or, yeah, Giordana would have never probably even been fired or, you know, asked to leave or whatever the case is.
		Maybe we'll find out soon.
		I don't know if you, I don't know if you know the exact nature of that.
		That likely doesn't even happen if it wasn't for your post.
		Now, now, let me just, let me just hit pause and kind of again explain.
		where I'm at here because you guys are obviously you're you're you're you're doing what you're convicted to do okay and and from my point of view you're doing the right thing but but I sit here and I say, okay, here's here's it's actually three agents, but there's O'Boyle and there's other suspendables too.
		But here's three agents, Driscoll, Jensen and Giordina that have been collecting paychecks for the last four years that have not had their characters assassinated that have not been targeted because of becoming a whistleblower like you guys have.
		And so, hey, maybe you want to go back to the FBI.
		Maybe you don't.
		But and and maybe Cash Patel and Dan Bonino have a you know, I don't know if their desk is as much of a problem as a Pambani's desk is, but you know, okay, they've got a lot of other stuff that they got to do.
		You can knock this out in a couple of hours.
		You can write.
		You can write the wrongs that have been done to you guys in just a couple of hours with a simple phone call of what can we do for you?
		And then do it.
		You could do it in a couple of hours and it hasn't been done.
		So I'm just sitting here saying, why?
		Why would that not be done?
		And then why would it take this long to get rid of these corrupt FBI agents, which probably wouldn't have even happened if it wasn't for your post the other day?
		I'll let Steve respond to that first.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		I think it goes back to the bubble wrapping that went on originally when those guys ascended to the positions that they hold right now, where they went in and they had the false assumption that the people.
		And they were assuming that the people that were going to be there were actually going to be good actors, good faith actors, and saying, oh, you know, I'm so glad you're here.
		Let me go show you the James Comey room.
		Those same people were saying to them, hey, we can't make that happen for one reason or another.
		Apparently in meetings with Senate representatives when they're coming to discussions about what's going to happen with these whistleblowers who have been so wrongly treated by the FBI by a past administration, the conversations were had where they were basically mouthing talking points from their underlings saying that there were all these other problems involving Garrett Aboyle, Kyle Sarafan, myself.
		And that's just not true.
		And our lawyers have access to our full personnel files.
		So we know what's in there, what's they assume to be derogatory, and that the information that was being shared with senators to justify not doing any sort of reinstatement or back pay or giving a security clearance back, those were just completely artificial and invented out of a whole cloth.
		So I think there's a lot of bad faith actors that are there that are providing them that information.
		And then I think it also goes back to we're now in charge.
		We're paranoid, petrified at the prospect of a leak.
		And they sort of falsely connect whistleblowing with leaking apparently.
		And I can see how they made that logical junk because guys like Kyle are out there sharing this information and they might think it's a leak, but it is in fact a reasonable concern of waste, fraud and abuse.
		And they want to dissuade anyone from coming forward again.
		And there's no better example than leaving a Garrido Boyle out there on the longest limb and saying that he has character issues and he can't ever earn an income for the rest of his life.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's funny, a character issue.
		Yeah, I guess at the FBI being, having good character, I guess you can't do that, right?
		I guess that's the message is if you have good character, you can't work at the FBI.
		I mean, I don't know how to interpret that otherwise.
		Now, Kyle, I would probably make a pretty sufficient bet that you have Dan B Bongiino's personal number in your phone right now.
		And so I would ask it to you like this.
		If Dan Bongiino just picked up the phone and just called you and said, Kyle, what, not even, not even about other stuff, not even about FBI issues or any of the other stuff that we can talk about here.
		I mean, just if he just picked up the phone and said, Kyle, what can we do to make this right?
		What, I mean, what, what stopped you?
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		You're actually going to have that.
		Nothing stopping them.
		A pride is probably the thing that stops people from doing that.
		Actually, I had a funny conversation.
		I got into a back and forth with James O'Keefe, who I don't have much love for.
		Just pulled me in front of a deposition last week and wasted one of my like a full day, eight hours asking questions about my Twitter account.
		And because I was mean to James O'Keefe.
		I'm glad to go to James O'Keeffe, who I think is a bad person.
		I think he's a bad actor and I'm happy to, you know, people can deal with that on another level.
		Dan Bongiano sent me a message and said we just need to come together.
		This was like from like August of last year or maybe April of last year.
		We need to come together.
		I go, what does that look like, Dan?
		Because he's texting me that, you know, just to clarify.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's when you were originally having your your kind of spat with James O'Keeffe is what you're talking about.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and here's the thing.
		I I had a video come into my, into my possession from one of his team members where he basically got a minor girl.
		She was twenty years old.
		She was in a bar.
		He got her hammered and then they were like fondling her, him and his buddy.
		And I thought that was atrocious.
		Like, I'm a father of daughters.
		Like, I don't want that.
		I don't want that.
		That's not a morally right thing to do.
		And they thought it was okay because it was a tre Chuck Schumer aide who was like an intern.
		All that's disgusting.
		So, I got that kind of behavior that I don't want that anywhere in America.
		Like, it's just I'm defending.
		I will defend young women, even those who make bad decisions at twenty years old from a 40-year-old guy that's going to go out there and use his money and power.
		So that was the, that was the nature of the, the, the, the, the spat that we had.
		And then, um, Dan hits me up and just says, hey, we need to come together as a movement.
		And I go, what does that look like?
		And he's like, we just need to come together.
		And I'm like, okay, fine.
		Like, that's not, that's not a plan.
		So that was the end of that conversation.
		And then he just ghosted me during the, the, the longer problem, which happened, I think, in August of last year, where essentially, and this is the real crux of the issue, why he and I don't talk.
		Julie Kelly released a quote unquote bomb shell story that the raid on Mar a Lago, very interesting because the guy who was the former, um, acting director of the FBI, Brian Driscoll, who was removed apparently today or effective tomorrow, he was the one who led HRT at that time.
		He was the commander of HRT.
		So all this kind of plays back in Julie Kelly dropped the quote unquote bomb shell that there was a deadly force authorized during the raid on Mar a Lago.
		And the problem with that is that deadly force is authorized always when you're an FBI agent.
		If people meet the parameters where deadly force is authorized, it's a standing policy from the minute you get your gun.
		It doesn't matter if you're sitting on the toilet in a public toilet or you're sitting in the pews at church or if you'rere on duty at work or if you're driving home in traffic or you're changing the diaper, like you always have deadly force available to you.
		If you meet the parameters of deadly force under the DOJ's deadly force policy and it's required by policy to be put in writing for every single search warrant that's served.
		It's just a good time to be able to refresh everyone's memory when that's and so that's what I said.
		I was like, this is not a bomb shell.
		Every search warrant happens.
		The minute you choose search warrant is the tool I'm going to use, then deadly force is on the table.
		That's why I recommended and thought it was the right thing.
		And I said it to Dambonjino in September of 2022.
		We should have had a consent based search if Donald Trump was going to do anything if they were going to search Mara Mar a Lago.
		You asked for consent.
		They probably they probably would have given it at some point in time.
		They could negotiate that with the lawyers.
		That's not what happened.
		They sent in a tactical team.
		All that's terrible.
		Julie Kelly got everyone all spun up.
		Oh, deadly force was authorized.
		Well, there were a bunch of things she said that were false, including the fact that it would have potentially killed Donald Trump.
		They waited till he was out of town.
		There was no secret service detail there in the same way.
		And here's the craziest thing.
		I know for a fact that Dan Bonjino knew that Mar a Lago is different when Donald Trump is not there because he and I both attended the premiere of the movie that we helped make at Mar a Lago when Donald Trump wasn't there and nobody touched me.
		I could have walked in there with a concealed hand.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And correct me, correct me.
		If I'm wrong on this one too.
		I mean, they knew they were coming.
		It wasn't like it was a shock and all thing.
		They knew they were coming.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		It was stated in the engagement.
		So it actually stated in their things that they had what they called engagement with the Secret Service.
		She acted like that was a tactical engagement when in reality it was like phone calls and coordination.
		We're coming by.
		Here's where it is.
		So she misconstrued that.
		Here's the reason why that was okay, yeah, go ahead.
		Let me tell you why it was dangerous.
		The reason why that was dangerous, if you remember August of 2024, a lot of uncertainties existed.
		Biden was getting thrown out.
		We didn't know, you know, that Trump was going to win like we know today.
		So it was like, oh God, are we going to deal with four more years of Biden Harris, whatever that looks like?
		And so people were getting really panickicky.
		A lot of people in the MAGA movement were also very panicky.
		And when you start telling MAGA people, the FBI tried to kill the guy that you want to be as president.
		This is post Butler.
		This is just after they'd already had the, uh, the incident outside the golf course at Mar a Lago or whatever it was in Florida.
		So now you've had two assassination attempts and now she's claiming that the FBI was also in on a previous assassination attempt, which was complete bullshit.
		To say that meant in my mind that someone was likely to snap.
		And I get as many crazy DMs as you probably do, where like lunatic people think they know the secret truth and they were going to go out there and do the righteous thing.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Right?
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		So imagine some crazy MAGA person who like has latched on to an ideology now believes that the F FBI tried to kill him.
		And then guess what?
		Right after that, some guy went and attacked the FBI's office, I think in Ohio, and was firing a nail gun while carrying an AR 15 at the office.
		And they almost killed him, or maybe they did kill him, Steve.
		I can't remember.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I think there were a couple of FBI facilities that actually had not to that level, but similar incidents.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		There were threats about that.
		All that is to say that ratcheting up dangerous and false information at that time was really problematic to me.
		And by the way, that would have resulted in the FBI crack down, potentially like martial law type scenarios.
		It would have been bad for the Second Amendment, anyone who wanted it.
		And it would have played into the power for the left who said, look, these people really are crazy and dangerous.
		So I was actually more interested in, let's be sober, let's be sane, let's stick to what the facts are.
		The facts are the previous four years have been bad.
		We had an Afghanistan withdrawal, we had a COVID vaccine mandate, we removed thousands of service members.
		Guys like me were thrown out.
		They were investigating Catholics.
		I can do this all day without even taking a breath.
		There are unlimited things to be upset about.
		And the thing to be upset about is the FBI served a search warrant at the former president's house, which is Banana Republic BS.
		So to say that all happened, you don't have to add something crazy like the FBI tried to kill Donald Trump when it's false.
		That seems really dangerous and stupid.
		So when that happened, Dan and I had a fallout permanently and he hasn't spoken to me since and he went on his radio show and said that I'm deadad to him.
		So he can't really make it right with me.
		He owes me an apology because what he said was stupid and I think he knows better.
		Now he's sitting there and apparently he's having influencers reach out to me via DMs.
		In the meantime, he's also saying like, beware of him because he's an ally.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		So listen, you can't fix what you did.
		That's the facts.
		The only thing that they can do, and I've got a mediation session coming up on august 29 down in Houston, Texas.
		So I'm going to drive down there.
		There are 26 current and former FBI employees who are working on a lawsuit that is from them infringing on our religious liberties and constructively terminating me from service.
		I'm one of the three people that lost their jobs, twenty six other people in various capacities.
		And they said, well, Kyle, what are your terms for settlement?
		My, my attorney asked me.
		And I said, the only thing the DOJ can do to get the ire of Kyle Serafin to go away is to offer me something.
		And I don't know what that thing is that makes me wake up every single morning, put my feet on the floor and not figure out that I hate them with the burning fire of a thousand sons because my children were made homeless, that my pregnant wife was left crying herself to sleep for six months, and I had to lose my home and all the safety and all my future that I had in front of me to go do this thing.
		And now I do a podcast every day and I talk to an audience, which I'm really grateful for, but I didn't want any of this.
		I was perfectly happy to go after bad guys on an Indian reservation you've never heard of in New Mexico.
		I was thrilled to do that.
		Well, and that wasn't allowed.
		So here I am doing the thing.
		They have to figure out how to turn off the rage of a thousand sons for the rest of my life because I vowed I would do this until I'm 85.
		I will hurt their feelings professionally.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's funny and I'll quickly comment on the O'Keeffe and Kelly thing because I was kind of following all that.
		And obviously, I have a friendship with O'Keeffe.
		I know you know that too.
		So, but I remember watching that.
		I'm saying, okay, I see, I see obviously, you know, I see where Kyle's coming from here.
		And then also, you know, I've known James for a while.
		So it's like, I'm just, I'm just going to kind of avoid it.
		And then the Julie Kelly thing, a similar thing, like, pretty sure she used to be a Democrat donor and all this stuff.
		And I'm just like, you know what?
		People are going to choose to do their things, whatever.
		I'm going to continue to report the truth here and really try to be a bridge for everyone.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		But, but all that to say, one thing I'll tell you, Owen, that that people always get a kick out of me, like, I don't need, nobody needs to choose someone.
		Like, you can talk to anyone you want and you can still talk to me and I don't hold against them.
		One of my best friends who actually introduced me to my wife is best friend with my brother, my younger brother.
		And my younger brother hasn't spoken to me in eight years.
		But like, we have a go between, we hang out, he'll have dinner with me.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But blood is weaker than water, they say.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		It's, well, it's not in this case.
		He doesn't want to have anything to do with me and that's fine.
		It's like, okay, look, I don't need people to cho choose one thing or another, certainly not over like we have a common vision.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And that's really when you talk about, oh, you know, join the team.
		We do.
		Well, we do have a common vision.
		And now it's like, well, what happened to our vision in this administration?
		And I do want to ask Steve that exact question coming up, but but I'll just say this, so people kind of get an understanding.
		I realized, and I think it was proven again today when, when you made that post about the guy that was flying around Cash Patel and now he's going to be out of a job officially tomorrow, that post is what did it.
		I realized, and this probably started happening mostly after I got out of prison.
		It was happening a little bit before that.
		But, you know, slowly but surely I've been gaining a bigger following and a bigger profile.
		And so now what I realized., because it's to the point where it's like, why do I have people reaching out from DC asking me to do something for them?
		Why do I have people in Congress reaching out to me asking me to do something for them?
		And it hit me and I'm like, my God, I'm like, they really can't do anything.
		Like, they really are in there and they feel like they're handicapped and handcuffed.
		And they're like, hey, Owen, you gotta get this story out.
		Hey, say this name.
		Hey, make a big deal of this story.
		Like, we can't do anything about it.
		We can't.
		And it hit me at that point.
		I'm like, wow, you get into DC and it's like, you really can't get anything done when I'm a member of the media.
		And I'm like, wait a minute, you're in DC.
		You work and said this and you're asking me to do this?
		Like, why can't you do it?
		Like, you just have to do this for us.
		So let me let me ask, as before we hit the hour break here, let me ask Steve this.
		Where would you say the FBI is at right now?
		And if you want to have kind of a starting point, where is the FBI at right now compared to where it was at in the Biden administration or compared to what you had hoped it might be when Patel and Bongino took over theoretically?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that the FBI is in a far more dangerous situation for the American people than it was during the Biden administration because we've seen no institutional change.
		changes.
		We've seen the intelligence collection get ramped up.
		We've continued to see the terrorism and trapments going, and it's just going against a different class of people here or there.
		And then there's also the illusion that, well, we got our number one and number two draft choices in there, so we're definitely going to win the Super Bowl.
		And where they're under the Biden administration, you had Christopher Wray who was out of favor with roughly half the country already.
		But now you've got Cash Patel in there, and you've got Dan Bogino, and so many people who were six, seven months ago talking about how the FBI was a problem and we need to fix it.
		They said, oh, well, you know, I trust those guys.
		So it's fine now.
		And they're just not paying attention.
		Those guys have got in there, but they haven't actually brought about the changes that we need.
		And that puts us in an incredibly dangerous situation because there will come a time, I know everyone's high on Hopium right now, but there will come a time when you get a president, Gavin Newsom, American Psycho, in there or something like that, who's going to install his puppet over to the FBI.
		And unless you take those teeth out of the attack dog, they're going to go right back to what they were doing under the Biden administration.
		It's actually going to be far worse, far more ramped up because they will have known that they got away with it.
		And then when there was some sort of pushback from the American people, the corrective action never happened.
		So I think from where we are right now, we're actually worse off than where it was just because of the awareness standpoint.
		And I haven't seen the changes.
		And that's really the ultimate betrayal to me because I was as optimistic as just about anyone else seeing those guys go in there.
		And I continue to root for them to do the right thing, but they just don't seem to be interested in it or they're confused about what they can do.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's, and I try to clarify this when it's necessary, but I mean, that's what I'm saying.
		My job isn't to be a cheerleader.
		And believe me, there's plenty of people on social media and they get paid to do it that they're pom pom waivers.
		They're literally cheerleaders on the side.
		I'm not paid to be a cheerleader.
		I'm not a cheerleader.
		I'm not a pom pom waiver.
		I'm going to I'm going to call things as I see them and I other than demoralization and I'll be patient and I am still rooting for Patel and Bongino.
		Like you said, I don't know how we can do any better.
		Quite frankly, I mean, maybe you two.
		I guess I would say you two at the hell maybe might be better than there actually are better there's better options out there.
		Well, now I would say so.
		But I sit here and I look at it like like like what Steve just said and I'm just like, man, we got the number one and the number two pick in there and and and we're still at the same place.
		You know, it's just like, I don't know.
		It really makes you wonder and other things make you wonder like, man, what goes on when these people.
		go in DC?
		Like, what goes on when you get the positions of leadership in these federal agencies because something happens, something changes.
		All right, to great Americans, really, but also FBI whistleblowers, but great Americans.
		I nominate them for FBI director and deputy director.
		All right, I don't know, maybe you guys think we should give Patel and Bonjino more time.
		I'm looking up something on my phone right now to kind of make a point.
		And I want to get into now, like, what is the status of the Epstein files?
		And I'm not talking about from a media landscape perspective.
		I mean from an FBI process perspective, you know, we got the whole burn bag stuff and we've had a lot of things coming out.
		But maybe you can make a little bit more sense of it from just a processing case at the FBI.
		Well, I can't get the exact date.
		I'll tell you, I'll make my announcement on the other side of a response to something I keep hearing.
		But let's get into the process.
		Where are the FBI files?
		What is the what is the realistic situation with the Epstein files?
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		All right, Steve Steve's gonna check me on this one.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		C four administrative close.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, zero file.
		This one.
		They're not going to take any further action.
		They will talk about how they wrote a, you know, some sort of motion for the judge to release what's in the grand jury.
		But because of six e material and the rules, the law doesn't actually.
		allow them to release it.
		And if they get anything, it will be so heavily redacted that it will look like the binders that were originally put out when we had part one of the Epstein release.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		So, oh, and that was my sarcastic way of telling you something, but C four is the actual code that they use when they close out a file.
		When your investigation is officially closed, it's no longer an active investigation.
		It goes to a closed investigation inside the FBI's file servers.
		And then you have to choose a reason and this would be an administrative close, which means it's done.
		It's over.
		There's no further prosecution.
		And they have what's called a closing EC or electronic communication that that basically does a summary of all the investigative steps that were done and when they were done and how it was closed.
		And now no further investigationative action.
		We will reopen it if necessary, but they're not going to reopen it because the guy's dead.
		So that's the end of it.
		Like they already told you this.
		That's the craziest part.
		They told us through a memo that was left to CEOs on a Sunday night while hiding behind Texas flood victims.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, without any signature, like no official anything.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		And all of that was like, look, that's classic government stuff.
		If you go look, Mike Howell did a great job breaking this down in a video that was done online.
		He works at the, uh, at the oversight project.
		So he was part of the Heritage Foundation and their spin-off.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they did good.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Mike Howell said the best thing that he said is like he broke down exactly what that was.
		There's only two reasons in government why you don't sign something like that and why you have to.
		two different emblems, right?
		They had a DOJ emblem and an FBI emblem at the top of the memo.
		There's only two reasons.
		Number one, it's such good news that we all want credit for it.
		So make sure that our logo is at the top.
		And the other reason is this is a disgusting shit sandwich and we're both going to take a bite out of it.
		So put both of our names at the top.
		No names on it, just the emblems.
		That means that the top levels signed off on it.
		And we actually saw in an official post by the Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche said, I was involved, Dan Bongiano was involved, Cash Patel was involved, and there was no daylight between DOJ's position and FBI's position the end story.
		Everything afterwards has been distractionary because they've been trying to act like there was something they were going to do.
		They told you that it was done.
		That's what that's the memo of record that we go back to.
		Everything else is just, you know, a bunch of blowing smoke.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and, and, and, by the way, I think I'm hearing you say that.
		So I'm kind of just crunching everything that we've seen and I guess really the debacle started when Bongino and Patel went on Fox and said he killed himself.
		It's over.
		That that's kind of really when the thing started.
		And then it reached, you know, Trump basically poured gasoline and a flamethrower to it when he said stop talking to it in that cabinet meeting.
		And then, you know, the rest has followed as we've seen.
		But so I hear you say that and it's like, okay, and I'll ask you guys on the other side, short break coming up, I'll ask you guys on the other side about, you know, what, what is the separation between the DOJ and the FBI with all this stuff?
		Uh, but okay, so basically this is what, what you're saying, it sounds like what you're saying is Bongino and Patel months ago, before they, before they did that Fox News interview, months ago, it was already determined whether it was DI, DOJ, FBI, White House, whatever the deal is, like that's when it was already determined.
		Obviously, when they came out and did that.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		The official statement from the DOJ, which is the parent organization that governs what the FBI does, the official statement from the Deputy Attorney General, the number two over there and the most powerful person probably in DOJ.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		That's what he said and that's what stands.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		All right.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to do a little more digging on this on the other side short break.
unidentified		All right.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So here's what I was looking for.
		I wanted to get the date right.
		And I got it in the break because I keep hearing this, including from Alex who came in here last hour.
		You know, when I'm talking about arrests, oh, I'm sick of hearing about I don't want to hear about arrests.
		On august 19, 2021, Owen Schroyer was indicted by the FBI.
		Okay.
		So I don't want to hear this thing about we can't have arrests.
		But you know what?
		Maybe don't discount my opinion.
		Maybe you can hear from the FBI guys.
		All I'm saying is from where I'm standing, if they want to come after you, if they want to indict you, if they want to arrest you, they will, okay?
		Because they did to me.
		All right.
		Now I'll I'll put that aside.
		If you guys want to respond to that, you can shake your heads.
		I'll I'll let you respond to that.
		I do want to kind of dig into more of the process here on the on the FBI DOJ Epstein stuff, but if you want to inject an opinion on that too.
		Steve, let me start with you.
		What is there any air between the FBI and the DOJ as far as this process is concerned?
		Like, could the FBI do their own thing to try to get files?
		Are there different files at the FBI than the DOJ?
		Could Pan Bondi shut the whole thing down?
		Is it a joint decision?
		I mean, where like what what is the actual process for people that haven't worked in a federal agency before?
		What is the process behind all of this?
		And why have you come to the conclusion that the process is done?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Well, the DOJ is the parent organization the FBI falls under.
		The FBI investigates crimes.
		They can investigate whatever they want as long as it's within policy, within the law, within the constitution.
		But then it is up to the discretion of a federal prosecutor who is your partner when it comes to bringing forward a full prosecution of a subject who you investigate and eventually get an indictment for and maybe go to court with and see if you can get a convviction on it.
		But the discretion that the federal prosecutors have, and they work directly under the Department of Justice, is pretty wide.
		I mean, you can actually and fully investigate a case, have someone dead to rights, have a full confession, all the evidence you need, bring it to a federal prosecutor, and they can say, it's not worth my time.
		I'm going to decline prosecution on this one.
		They ultimately have the yay or the nay, which was why it was so offensive when James Comey, who was the FBI director, not the Attorney General, went out and said that no reasonable prosecutor would charge Hillary Clinton for the server malhandling that she had.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because they don't want to end up with a body bag.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you don't want to get sh shot in the back of the head twice and say it was a suicide.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Have one half of their body up the river, one side down the river.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, the discretion that they have from, you know, from a federal prosecutor's point of view, they ultimately have the say.
		So they might disagree, but when it comes to a public relations point of view, they don't want to show any daylight as it's out there.
		And look, and there apparently was, at least as was represented to us by Dan Bongino when he was out there and there were all these rumors whirling around, some news reports that he objected to the handling of the Epstein case and how it was closed out.
		And he was spending the time out.
		I mean, he didn't do anything on social social media.
		And if you follow what he does, wait five minutes and Dan Bogino will post on social media.
		So he probably got a directive that he needed a cooling off period and he went back.
		I actually thought that was going to be his eject moment.
		I thought that was a point where he could have actually said, look, it's a matter of integrity for me.
		I disagree with it.
		I'm going to leave.
		But for whoever decision was made or maybe was requested, he elected to stay on.
		And now he's going to have to own it.
		And goes back to what Kyle said, where we have both seals at the top because the fumble that went on there is going to have to be owned by both agencies.
		And that's PR because people generally associate criminal prosecutions more with the FBI than the Department of Justice.
		justice because they watch TV and movies and movies show the FBI agent.
		They don't show the assistant United States attorney.
		It's much more glamorous to have a gun.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I look at, you know, I I tend not to get as upset if I'm looking at all the different factors involved.
		Let's just say Bondi, Patel, Bon Gino.
		I tend to favor Bon Gino the most because he has the most to lose.
		I mean, really, he has the most to lose of all of them in all of this.
		I think Pam Bondi has already got a job secured at Fox News whenever she decides to leave or if she's there the whole time.
		You know, I think Patel will probably be fine.
		But how does, how does Dan Bon Gino go back to his audience if there's no arrests?
		What is he going to tell people?
		Oh, guys, there's no corruption.
		There was no corruption.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Dan's in the worst scenario and it's a scenario he's own creating.
		It's, I would say, it's built out of pride.
		If you came to Steve's Friend and said, Hey Steve, we'd like you to be the deputy director of the FBI.
		I think if, having talked to Steve a lot, he'd be like, Look, I would love to help you.
		I'd love to be a special consultant.
		Maybe you can make me a special government employee.
		But like, I don't think I'm the guy.
		I haven't been in that agency for twenty plus years.
		I don't know anything about how headquarters functions like from the inside of actually being there.
		I don't know where the halls of the Hoover Building lead.
		If you walk in and the same story for me, like more so, six, six years and change, I worked in DC.
		I had keycard access to the Hoover Building.
		I was there regularly.
		I wouldn't be the right guy.
		Like, I know the right guy.
		I know what the right guy looks like.
		I could help you find the right guy, but I'm not that guy.
		So if you come to someone who's never worked inside the bureau and say, Hey, you were a secret service agent twelve years ago.
		We think you're the right guy to run the bureau at the nuts and bolts level.
		That's what the deputy director does.
		And you say, Yes, I think you're a crazy person.
		And if you look at Dan Bongino's face, he's flipping miserable.
		It's absolutely obvious.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's not like Ray and Driscoll are going to give them the map.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		It's and look, the director gets to run around and be a politician.
		He gets to go and everybody loves where he is and it's so exciting.
		And look how famous you are.
		You're the FBI director, even though nobody might recognize that person regularly.
		So Chris Ray used to get asked questions like, what's your favorite kind of ice cream?
		And like, do people recognize you when you shop in the grocery store?
		News flash, Chris Ray made over nine million dollars the year before he was FBI director.
		He's not shopping for his own groceries.
		We're pretty sure of that, right?
		But okay, fine.
		So that goes on.
		Then you got the deputy.
		Most of you don't know the deputy directors that have existed before Dan Bongino.
		Most of you couldn't name them except for those that committed, like, I don't know, crimes like Andy McCabe.
		You probably didn't know people like David Bowditch.
		You didn't know what they did.
		And they were like nuts and bolts guys.
		They rose through the ranks, generally speaking, mostly liked by the people in the FBI.
		Then there was Paula Bate previously as well, who was also kind of a dirty bag.
		He's a big BLM guy and he was real sneering when he went before Congress.
		But most people don't know who the deputy is because the deputy's job is to be the most senior FBI person who represents what the bureau is about and then goes and enacts the vision of the director.
		Now imagine you're in that job trying to enact the vision of the director and you don't know how the FBI works because you've never worked there before.
		That's an atrocious position to be in.
		And the only thing that would make you say yes to that is either like cubris or maybe like a sense of duty because you got asked by someone that you really want to impress, like Donald Trump asked you personally and you don't know how to say no.
		But a smart person would say, I'm not the guy.
		I can accurately assess that I'm not the guy.
		I'd like to help you find the guy.
		Can I do that for you?
		Because if I say yes, I'm going to disappoint you and me.
		Why he decided to go into that chair, you could tell the first Fox interview where he sat down.
		He looked like he was sitting on a bed of nails and taxes.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And this is a professional GCE guy, by the way.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Right.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		And he looked like seriously, he looked like he was holding back what Alex actually told me, he said he looked like he was holding back a fart in church and then he let it out and it just squeaked awfully where he was like, and everyone knew it was him.
		Yeah, I seen the file.
		He killed himself and it looked like he just let out a fart in church.
		It was atrocious the way his face looked like his blood pressure was strained because he knew that he was going to have to go disappoint a podcast audience that he has been leading for eight years with information., true or false, that something else was going on.
		And then he's got to look at him like he's just miserable.
		That isn't the face of a guy who looks excited.
		That looks like a guy who is about to have to go do the most painful thing in the world and pretend like he's not eating crow.
		They took Dan Bongino from a guy who said let's defund the FBI and take it apart to a guy who was polishing FBI movie posters on the halls of the Hoover building in like 24 hours.
		It's brutal.
		It's brutal.
		I don't know.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
		Honestly, I try to wrap my head around all of it and can't really at the end of the day.
		You can't because it's so hard to reach a conclusion with all the different factors that you have in front of you and then maybe it's even a matter of denial.
		I mean, it's just human.
		It's just human nature.
		It's just like, I want to deny the worst.
		Like, I don't want to think the worst of this.
		I don't want to think it's all like, we're not going to get anything because it's just so unbelievable.
		It's like, but then I look at the situation with Cash Patel getting flown around by Driscoll and I'm like, this is either blatant incompetence or he just didn't care, right?
		Because getting rid of the guy, quick, correct.
		Getting rid of the guy after your post is like admitting, like, yeah, this is not good.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		So the story is actually a little bit more complicated than that.
		Driscoll was actually the former acting director.
		He was the one that ran the FBI before Cash Patel stepped in.
		The guy that they're talking about getting rid of the pilot who had the case on Mar Lago and then became the pilot of the private jet.
		That guy's name is Chris Meyer.
		Chris Meyer.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So that's a former guy.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So I didn't even name him yet.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so you haven't named him, but he's actually the reason that I actually created the post.
		And the story goes something like this.
		This is what I was told this morning that, um, that Cash Patel called Driscoll into his office because Driscoll went from being the acting director of the Bureau, number one, then he stepped into a role that's like, um, the assistant director of SERG.
		And he may have a slightly more robust title, but SERG is the Critical Incident Response Group.
		They run all the tactical, they run the surveillance, and they happen to run all the planes in the FBI.
		So all the pilots report to him, all the surveillance guys like fall into that program management, and then all the HRT guys, the tactical guys, and so that.
		So Driscoll was asked to come in and was told, you need to fire this pilot because I've just looked really bad on X. And Driscoll said, you can't fire that guy.
		And they were like, well, you need to.
		And he was like, no, no, he's a military veteran.
		He's a combat vet.
		Like, he's a good guy.
		And like, by the way, he objected to the Mar-a-Lago raid, but they did it anyway.
		And so all the things we heard about Steve Jensen were said about this guy.
		Then apparently Driscoll left the office and a couple of hours later got an email saying that you're going to be gone effective tomorrow.
		So then he found himself in the same crosshairs.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And now you're reporting to Ken Delaney.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, come on.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Which is, you know, that's a favorable leak.
		Again, these guys are happy to use either side or someone else like, you know, maybe Driscoll cultivated those sources when he was the, when he was the acting director, because Driscoll was also pretty famous for resisting.
		If you recall, the FBI was initially asked by the DOJ to give over all the agents' names who were involved in J six cases.
		And Brian Driscoll was the director.
		He was the acting director at the time that said absolutely not.
		And so they lionized this guy, like he was a hero of the resistance.
		And then, by the way, you know who they went and got to go represent them in a lawsuit?
		The FBI agents that didn't want their names released.
		They got Mark Zayd.
		They got Norm Eisen.
		They got all the people that had been involved in law fair against Donald Trump.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So they showed themselves to be the same people that go after Al.
unidentified		Yes.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		So that's what you're dealing with here.
		And so Brian Driscoll's made a hero of this and they actually they call him the Driz, that's his nickname.
		And they made like challenge coins about how he was such a stud and, you know, come and fire me if you want to get rid of me.
		Well, it sounds like he actually resisted for the last time today or the yesterday, something like that.
		So that's the whole story.
		But there's your, there's your picture and Steve and I were talking about this during the break.
		But like, that's the Resolute desk picture that got Alex really riled up, by the way.
		That picture.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I doubt he, I doubt Driscoll had anything to do with it, but it just shows how it's like they're not so subtle about what they think of themselves.
		Like, no, they brag that they're insubordinate.
		They brag that they're insurrectionists, I dare even say.
		Let me ask you this, Steve.
		Do you think because we know the January 6 special committee basically erased all the evidence?
		By the way, nobody's nobody's being investigated or charged as far as I know with that.
		That's a whole other thing.
		But the list of the FBI names that were involved in that, would that have been something that the special committee had?
		And then maybe they got rid of that too?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so because when the incoming DOJ officials, including the Attorney General, came in, it's my understanding that they presumed that it was a very small cohort of individuals who were actually working on January 6 because they assumed that it was being worked from Washington, DC only.
		I mean, and this goes back to my whistleblower disclosure.
		They basically assigned a separate case to be opened for every single person, as opposed to one case, Washington, DC being worked by a task force.
		But that task force still operated and ran those cases unofficially and was calling the shots.
		And that was the problem that was creating this false illusion that we had 2500 terrorists around the country, as opposed to a one time black swan event in Washington, DC.
		And I believe that the people who came in to the Department of Justice thought, well, it's probably a few dozen people who were bringing forward these charge affidavits in Washington, DC.
		Those are the bad actors and they were completely caught off guard by the fact that it was nationwide agents in every single field office, every single resident agency, and a lot of people took temporary assignments, people who were gleefully going to Washington, DC to assist with it.
		So when they learned that and they found out that it was hundreds and thousands of employees, that became a problem, they and they were requesting that Brian Driscoll provide that.
		And that's not really that hard.
		I mean, you just need to.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So it became a rallying point for anti-Trump leftists in the Fed.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was like almost six thousand names, I think, on the list.
		The funny thing is, is they eventually did comply, if you guys recall the story.
		And what they did is they handed over their unique employee ID number.
		The U, what is it?
		U E ID or whatever the heck it's called.
		So there's actually a little code for it.
		It starts with the letter U and it's how all your documents are signed.
		And if you classify something, it shows your unique ID number.
		The funny thing is, any person who knows how to use Excel could go and decrypt that unique ID number with just a simple VLOOKUP and a drop into an Excel file.
		This wouldn't be that hard.
		We're talking about only a couple of thousand names.
		It might take like fifteen minutes for your computer.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Are they using that as an excuse?
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Like, oh, we can't get the names?
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		No, they said we're not going to give you the names because we don't trust what you're going to do with them.
		That was the argument that the FBI came with and Driscoll was the guy who basically stood in the gap and said I'm not going to expose FBI employees to this scrutiny.
		It's not fair.
		They were doing what they were told.
		And the problem is guys like Steve Friend did exist and there were things that should not have been done.
		There are some J6 cases, Owen, that should have been worked.
		People who got involved in physical assaults with law enforcement, that's a totally reasonable thing.
		I don't think anyone on the conservative side of the coin would go, Hey, you can't investigate like an assault in law enforcement.
		Like, yeah, go do it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you breaked in a window.
		You took a baton or a shield from a police officer.
		Yeah, of course.
		But that was a couple of those things.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		All of those things would have ended up in what's called the Superior Court of Washington DC and not in the District Court.
		The Superior Court is like the local crimes.
		So trespassing, property damage, like low-level offenses that would otherwise be probably misdemeanors.
		Yeah, you go in there.
		Maybe some low-level felonies.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I've been there a couple of times.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Well, Superior Court versus District Court, right?
		So you go to the Superior Court, that's where it should have been done.
		And then they would have kicked the case because they were like, what do you want to do?
		A broken window?
		Sorry, I have eleven guys who stabbed people last night that are locked up.
		We don't have time for your BS case.
		Go do 100 days of community service and shut the F and get out of here.
		So that's the way that would have gone down if it had actually happened in any just world, but it's not what happened.
		What happened was you got them put it in the District Court and then all the additional charges on there, whether it was something like a terrorist enhancement, whether it was the obstruction, the 15-12 count that was put in, all the other kinds of things that made things that were otherwise like a misdemeanor parade into felonies.
		And now you have these district charges which are absurd.
		Like they're just they're ludicrous because some of us actually lived through 2020 and remember that nobody cared about this stuff.
		Yeah, especially why this is problematic.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, especially the specifically the BLM stuff.
		You know, and it's funny because I could sit here and I remember just going through all of it and I could sit here and I remember all the DOJ players, like I remember all the prosecutors by name.
		I remember some of the people that were really influencing the BOP and the judges, but they were all DOJ people.
		We never really got any information as far as the FBI was concerned, even though that was obviously who indicted me.
		The only name we would ever get was Chris Ray, who I mean, to Judge Farouk's credit, Judge Farouk in DC, a magistrate judge, I mean, he said they're they basically violated my rights or they broke the law that was written by Obama.
		And that's why in their filings they said, Oh, Owen Troyer is not a journalist.
		He's not a member of the media, which is obviously a ludicrous lie.
		But the reason why they said that is because Obama wrote a law that if you're going to indict someone in the media, there's a completely different set of parameters that you have to match, which by the way, I don't agree with that.
		I don't think a journalist should have more First Amendment rights than anyone else, but that was the law written by Obama.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Well, so this is policy on how you go after a journalist with the DOJ.
		And it's not about how they indict.
		It's not about whether or not you have a special law or special protections.
		What it does is it allows you to have some internal protections inside the FBI.
		It gives a higher level of scrutiny to if someone's opening the case, they want to make sure you do it.
		By the way, this is the same thing that I reported to Project Veritas and it actually bailed James O'Keefe and his people out of some real serious trouble in the Southern District of New York.
		It's called the SIM process, the sensitive investigative matter process.
		And so it covers things like journalists, it covers things like academics, it covers things like people who are part of the clergy of any faith.
		So and local politicians and so on, because you want a higher level of scrutiny.
		If someone has the potential of being abused so that an allegation against them might be more damaging than some member of the public who is otherwise unknown and whose name is not readily familiar.
		All it does is.
		it locks down so that the curious FBI agent or analyst that's like scrolling through the file is not going to be able to open up the case and read all the serial in it, which are just the case files.
		So they'll get a cover sheet that says it's restricted and then it's a sim and it'll say news media, academic, clergy, whatever.
		And so they just have a little bit more scrutiny on as you open the case, are you really doing the right thing or is it a possibility because this is what you're worried about?
		Are you violating this person's First Amendment rights because they do get a special look.
		Now, if you operate, if they open anything for a First Amendment reason, then theoretically it would actually trigger the sim thing.
		And that includes podcasters and bloggers and people who are social media influencers.
		It's very broad on what that that policy is.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		The DRJ just railroaded that in my case.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And it's funny too, because I wonder, and I don't want to get, part of me doesn't even want to say this for, for maybe the right reasons, but it's like the times I did deal with the FBI, I almost wish I would have recorded it.
		Like the field agents that I dealt with were kind of like, yeah, you got railroaded dude.
		Like for them, they were just like normal dudes and they were like, right, like they were like, what did they do about it, Owen?
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Well, they just do their job and order.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Steve, go ahead.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		And then this is the problem that I encountered in my own office when people told me when it was very apparent that I was going to be removed from duty because I wasn't willing to just follow orders.
		I was told by multiple people, look, I agree with what you're doing.
		And I respect it, but I have bills to pay.
		I have a family, and that is insufficient.
		You're supposed to take your job very seriously when you swear an oath to defend the Constitution, to protect your fellow citizen against fraud and force.
		And if you take that position and you abuse it to either personally enrich yourself or to push a political agenda, or you're just unwilling to have the courage, the bravery, you know, the fidelity, bravery, integrity aspect of the FBI, if you're unwilling to do that, then you should not be in a position to have that badge and that credentials.
		That should be what the American people expect, not what J. six Jensen did and what that was at the end of the day he, he just followed orders.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Kyle, what are we going to get from the grand jury in Florida?
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		I think they've already told us what they were going to get, which is nothing.
		We're not going to get much.
		Now, if you're talking about those that they're calling down and they're going to do some sort of questioning of some of the other members of the Obama administration, I think, or the Biden administration, you're going to find out that most of these people, the statute goes back to the Bush administration.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		They want to talk to people from the Bush administration about it.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to prove that there was a ongoing conspiracy and you're going to go ahead and get people to actually agree that there was some sort of ongoing conspiracy and that it was continuing and that it was, you know, inside the statute limitation.
		I think this is all the best thing that they thing that they could come up with.
		I think it's weak.
		I think it's not real.
		I think it results in nothing.
		I think anything but Epstein would be great.
		And look, we had sources inside the DOJ that were saying something very similar.
		They basically said, Hey, A holes, go give us a win.
		We need something.
		We need to be able to clutch on something to turn the news cycle so that you guys can show me like an indictment or a big bust or some sort of big case.
		They tried Operation Gray School that didn't go anywhere.
		Most of that stuff was done under Chris Ray and was previously handled.
		So that didn't win it.
		They tried the burn bag story.
		Oh, we got burn bags, which is a classified, you know, paper bag full of trash.
		So Cash Patel was doing like trash panda routine where he was looking through the dumpster and coming up with, oh, they're missing some of the files.
		I'm like, oh no, the trash can doesn't have all the files.
		Who knew?
		These are things that, you know, you're shoving things in burn bags.
		I had like, um, uh, I had cardiac strips from, uh, from EKGs in mine.
		It was like, it had PII on it.
		So it had people's information.
		You can throw things up to and including secret, no foreign into a burn bag in the FBI.
		So it's not super classified.
		It's like your regular transactional business and not having all the files means that they probably ended up in another bag somewhere that got burned or, you know, pummeled or whatever or pulped.
		So all this stuff was a desperate attempt to find anything that we could get the American people's attention off the one thing that Americans are really, really upset about.
		And it may be that all the things that were promised about Jeffrey Epstein are incorrect.
		There's a possibility.
		I've kind of presented that there's a spectrum of reality.
		On one end of the spectrum is, um, we were lied to and Jeffrey Epstein was just an a hole.
		He was a bad guy and in 2005, he basically stopped doing all these things.
		And then the other end of it is that there's elite pedophiles who have a secret system of justice.
		They can get away with everything and they're lying because they have tons of money, wealth and access and they're hurting children.
		So those are the that's the spectrum.
		It's somewhere between there is the truth.
		And either way, you still have to tell people what the truth is because you went out and campaigned on it and Don junior said it and Cash Patel said it and Dan Bonjino said it and Pam Bondi has said it recently.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And it's obviously huge victims.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		And there were hundreds of victims.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I would just say this and I'll tell you why.
		I mean, if you guys want to stay around for the last segment, you can.
		If you have to go, you have to go.
		But I'm about to say something that you, you may want to respond to.
		What is funny, what is funny about all this is that somebody has a Trump Epstein file and it's obviously not the Democrats, in my opinion.
		It's obviously not the Feds because they can't seem, you know, they don't, they don't know.
		They can't seem to find their ass with both hands on this deal.
		But like who leaked, maybe you guys know who leaked the new memo where the FBI is like, yeah, Epstein was working with us.
		us who has all these new videos that all of a sudden they're leaking left and right of Trump and Epstein.
		It's like somebody's got an Epstein file and somebody specifically has a Trump folder inside that larger file.
		But somehow the feds are running around here.
		They don't know anything of what's going on.
		So the whole thing is just a mess.
		But all the different attempts they've tried to get the American people off of it so far have totally failed.
		All right.
		You know, we've really covered all angles of this.
		I don't know if Kyle or Steve have any other angles.
		Now we're now we're just kind of enjoying each other's company.
		I think here on a Thursday afternoon.
		I I I will say this because it's kind of funny.
		I guess, uh, I guess these people have never watched South Park before.
		So South Park aired their new episode last night.
		I've been a fan of South Park forever.
		They're on season 27.
		I've watched all, I think, probably every episode multiple times.
		And so first the Trump administration was trashing South Park after the very disturbing depiction of Donald Trump.
		Um, then now the Homeland Security and the Trump administration is using South Park images to promote joining ICE.
		Okay.
		Well, so I go into the comments on this thing and anyone who's been following South Park since they first aired, I think it was 99.
		Obviously, there's always the complainers, right?
		There's been different groups over the years that have complained about what South Park does.
		I don't know if it's ever been the right wing like this before.
		So I go into the responses to South Park posting the image of Ice using South Park to promote joining Ice.
		And I go into the comments and it's a bunch of Trump supporters bitching and complaining about South Park.
		And I'm like, guys, what are we doing here?
		Are we becoming the woke?
		I mean, this is woke, right?
		Stuff.
		This is liberal woke stuff here.
		You're complaining about a cartoon TV show, which by the way, has been doing this for thirty years.
		There's nothing new., go back and watch an episode from season one, two, three, four.
		You'll find out there's nothing new here.
		It's the same stuff they've been doing, but I've never seen right wingers.
		I don't know, it's kind of the same thing.
		Like, I'll get people that will complain about me today, like, Oh, how dare you say something bad about Dan Bongi.
		I'm not saying anything bad about Dan Bongi.
		You know, I'm I'm covering what's going on at the FBI.
		Oh, you know, South Park's making fun of the press.
		South Park makes fun of everyone.
		What's going on?
		Are you guys seeing this too?
		Like, what's going on now with the right wing culture?
		Like, all of a sudden, they're getting a little triggery.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know what I think is going on here?
		And this is actually the kind of danger that I continue to see.
		And I'm very interested.
		Steve sees the same problem, but we're talking about people that have basically been put through the ringer emotionally through a lot of stuff.
		They've expected a lot of things.
		They had an existential sort of fear in the election that happened in November.
		And then they were promised a lot of things.
		They got their guy and, lo and behold, Donald Trump showed up on day one and was like, not even leaving the parade.
		He's signing freaking executive orders like all night long.
		And we're like, oh, it's on.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Like it's going to happen.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Like he's going to destroy all these idiots.
		And you're like, I can't believe this is even going down.
		Pardons are being signed and the right people are being made whole.
		And you're like, dude, whistleblowers from IRS are going to be promoted to head of the entire agency like wild shit.
		You're like, okay, good.
		And then you're like, oh, the reality of it is that an executive order is not the same thing as a ruling from Congress.
		And it certainly isn't recapturing the entire bureaucratic process.
		And now people are starting to realize, like, oh my God, what if all the stuff that we thought was going to happen doesn't actually happen?
		I think those of us that were saying realized that if thirty percent happened, it would probably be okay.
		If sixty percent happened, it would be a huge.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		So you're aiming the frustration elsewhere.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you're getting at?
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		I think they're just, I think people are so over, like they're so over played right now.
		It's the same thing that I was worried about with Julie Kelly, right?
		Like relation, the bomb shell that the FBI is going to kill Trump.
		All that stuff has left people in these places where they're very volatile.
		And so if you go after them their guy, in any way, shape or form, they don't have, like, you know, you've seen it when, like, when people's bullshit filter is filled up and they just snap at people because you just no longer, like, your cortisol is all tired, I guess.
		I think that's what we're seeing.
		And it's getting to the point where you're seeing that, like, the people are living the MAGA cult sort of insult, they'd be like, oh, you guys are in a cult.
		Now people are actually representing that.
		And the danger is, if they don't actually capitalize on all the stuff that we wanted, like, millions of people deported from this country and reclaiming sort of the way that this country is supposed to look because they let in millions and they shouldn't have.
		If they don't do that, some people are going to snap.
		And the danger is, is what happens, as Steve mentioned last hour, what happens when the h hopeum runs out?
		You're going to have a lot of people that are disillusioned that are going to let down.
		And, you know, if anyone's ever seen what abstinence looks like, it doesn't matter if it's alcohol or heroin or anything else.
		When people come down from a high, it can be really ugly and usually just a little bit.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's why I said this earlier and it looks like JD Vance has taken it well.
		I'll give him credit.
		He did.
unidentified		I love it.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I just, yeah, I think I made it on SoundBar.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		He seems to be, he seems to be having fun with it.
		And I, I know I haven't watched the full episode yet, but the clips are all over X. There's one clip where Trump kicks him out of the room, like literally physically, like boots him with his foot.
		It's kind of funny.
		Um, but yeah, you know, let me give you maybe the, the easiest answer to that, which I think is inevitable.
		What happens when the hope is out?
		Republicans lose two straight election cycles.
		That's just how I see it right now as Republicans lose two straight election cycles.
		And that's why I'm so fine.
		I mean, call me a panic, whatever you want.
		But yeah, it's like, oh my gosh, you know, there's two seconds left in the game and I have the ball.
		I'm down by two points.
		I'm at the three-point line.
		Oh, I'm just going to sit here.
		No, you have a sense of urgency.
		It's like, no, I have to shoot the ball.
		I have to make a shot.
		I have to win the game.
		It's like, you don't, oh, look at this panicin' trying to shoot the ball with two seconds left in the game, like panicin'.
		So, so it's just crazy.
		Steve, what do you think about kind of what we just discussed here?
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I to me goes back to idolatry, plain and simple.
		You go back to the Barack Obama administration, that's when we saw, really, for the first time in my recollection, a current president, a current chief executive who was held at this level where people had photographs of him or photographs of his family in votive candles, sort of, in their houses because he was, Yes, we can, hope and change.
		And we have Greek Parthenon of columns behind him when he's delivering his speech at the DNC.
		I mean, it was ridiculous.
		And then what did the Republicans do?
		They flipped back and right around and they got Donald Trump, 2016.
		And then you compound the idolatry that started that seed was planted at that time point because, you know, for whatever he was, he was novel and fresh and not like the typical Republicans.
		He brought a lot of people who were new to the political process there.
		And he also brought to me one of the most underrated things that's out there, and that's the actual red hat, because for the first time in our memory of being right of center, we got to virtue signal.
		If you wanted to wear the hat, that's why you get so much resentment.
		That's why that red hat makes the left so angry because for their entire lives, having purple hair and fifty holes in their face.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		The rainbow.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		The rainbow.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, everything else.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		That means they get to advertise what they are.
		It's like tell me you're a communist without telling me you're a communist.
		Oh, you have five masks on your face as you're going to fly.
		The red hat was this bright middle finger type of way for people who were Republican and wanted to vote within the MAGA movement for Donald Trump to do that.
		And then you compound it even more because 2020 happens and we have the coronavirus and everything entertainment wise is shut down.
		There's no sports.
		You can't do anything with your kids.
		Stay home, stay safe.
		Let's push pause in the global economy and the worst managerial decision in the history of the world.
		But politics was still allowed to go on.
		We still had to govern after all.
		And a lot of people got into that and they got into the professional.
		wrestling mindset, my guy against your guy.
		And the politicians realized that.
		And they realized that they could just throw bread and circus to the American people and argue over things that really aren't that important overall or things that they kind of all agree with.
		And then even if they disagree at the end of the day, we'll give you all your funding.
		You give us all our funding and then the kids and grandchildren of the American voters, they're the ones that really are going to get screwed.
		And there's no real change here.
		But at the end of it, you have your guy.
		You know, are you a Hulk Hogan fan or are you a Randy Macho Man Savage guy?
		You know, and I think that people have attached their idolatry to Donald Trump and they resent so much in his country.
		So much any criticism of their guy.
		And it's really kind of disappointing because I know the left camp meme.
		I know that Barack Obama as a personality, he probably does get really offended if someone does an impression of him.
		Donald Trump seems to be a pretty self aware guy.
		I mean, he he seems to be self deprecating to someone.
		How about you do yourself a favor?
		Don't be more offended on behalf of someone who you don't know, doesn't know you, doesn't even know you exist than that person is.
		That seems like best practices.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I also think that you have this phenomenon where so many people have built an entire persona or social media empire even., let's say, off of Trump and MAGA.
		And so you can't abandon it.
		It's like, that's your identity now.
		So it's beyond even the idolatry.
		It's like, no, that's your identity now.
		And so how are you going to go against that?
		You're actually going to become extremely defensive in that process.
		And you know, you mentioned all the different symbols that the left has and then we get the hat, which, you know, definitely you want to talk about rage bait.
		I mean, yeah, you can get a liberal to punch you in the face and you'll show who the real violent psychos are out there.
		But the one thing that they like to do and they get away with it all the time, this is how the left has been able to indoctrinate the entire country, maybe even so the world, but definitely the country where you go to whatever it is, a sport sporting event, a concert, and and people just assume that these are neutral things, right?
		Oh, it's a Pride flag that's neutral.
		Everyone loves Pride, right?
		We're all in the same team, all these other stuff, but it's really that's left-wing propaganda.
		That's left-communist propaganda that they kind of subtly make you think, oh, this is just neutral.
		And then the election cycle comes and they're like, oh, see, they hate gay people or they hate this.
		So they inject all their imagery in your face at otherwise neutral events like a sporting game or a concert.
		They inject all this imagery in your face and you're just like, okay, whatever.
		Then the election cycle comes.
		They say, they don't like the gay flag.
		And then they use it as a weapon.
		So we don't really get that on the right wing, right?
		It's like we have to wear it right on our head, right on our sleeve, and everyone knows with them.
		It's like, oh no, this isn't political.
		And then when it's election season, you're like, oh damn right, it's political.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		It's beyond even just the symbols, it's the language, the language is incredibly powerful.
		And I've used this example a million times.
		Democracy.
		Democracy is a coded language that the communist left in this country uses.
		It's a code for things I like.
		Ergo, if you don't like the things I like, you just don't like democracy.
		And so many people on the political right are very nerdy and they say, well, that's not the defin definition of democracy.
		This is a small r republican.
		It doesn't matter.
		To the regular American who's just going about their day, they hear democracy and they think about the student government.
		They think about watching how a bill becomes a bill when they learned about, and they're like, oh yeah, America is a democracy.
		Oh wait, wait, that other side, they're anti-democracy.
		Oh, they must really be bad.
		And for too long we've seeded the ground on language entirely that you just don't realize it.
		How many times do you hear illegal immigrants?
		They're illegal aliens.
		Don't be afraid to say it.
		You know, how many times are we going to hear gender affirming care?
		You mean childhood mutilation?
		You know, conversion therapy, telling a boy that he actually is a boy and he cuts up his twig and berries and can tell you that he's Sally now.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Women's health care abortion.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Equity, not equality, equity.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, yeah, if you want to go down the abortion era, I mean, but that's it.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's how they manipulate the language to manipulate your mind.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, baby murder and infanticide becomes, well, termination.
		Well, the Terminator, he was a bad guy.
		We have to go to a reproductive right.
		Because the mission never happened, right?
		And then it's reproductive rights and women's health care and you just don't like women.
		Well, actually, I do.
		That's why I don't want fifty percent of those babies being murdered or women being murdered.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Kyle.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I think it's, I think it's fun watching all this stuff.
		I think it's fun watching people lose their minds.
		And the craziest thing for me is that people refer to Trump as a conservative, which I see on social media all the time.
		He's the most conservative president of my lifetime.
		I'm like, Donald Trump is a nineties-Democrat.
		I'm old enough to know that.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Wait, you know what's funny?
		I'm so sorry that you say that because this thought has been in my head for a while.
		And it's like, you kind of have to learn.
		It's like, you kind of get to choose on social media, right?
		Some people just say, all right, whatever goes in my head, I'm going to post.
		Some people might have more of a filter or you try to balance it., because I've been thinking this, there's been this huge spat, you guys may have seen it on X about wedding ring size.
		Okay, so now all these conservative women supposedly are arguing about wedding ring size, like, okay, whatever.
		But what I find funny about it is it's that exact thing where they're going to sit here and promote Trump as like the all time conservative or whatever.
		And it's like, I mean, I don't know.
		I mean, politically maybe, culturally not so much, but it's like, then they're going to take, but no, then they're going to take like some individual on X that's like 22 years old, maybe been in politics for like two years, whatever, fresh out of college and we're going to like hold some special conservative standard to You like, oh, I'm the real conservative.
		I'm the real trad.
		It's all this stuff.
		And then it's like, oh, but Trump is the ultimate traditional conservative.
		It's like, wait a second.
		What?
		We're going to sit here and try to pretend like these two things are equal.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		No, we're we're in a place where everyone is choosing their fighter.
		It's idolatry in the way that Steve said and so much.
		And the same thing, people want a king.
		This goes back to the book of judges, like these, you know, the Israelites wanted a king.
		Human beings desire to do something.
		And here's why the instinct of a king is so powerful.
		And you gentlemen, you have to nod your agreement with me.
		The reason why you want a king is because you want a single point of failure that you can blame when all the good shit that you want to happen doesn't happen.
		You're like, oh, that's.
		the guy.
		It's the king.
		Like, that's who should have done it.
		Or you're like, Yeah, our king did it.
unidentified		Like, they're the best.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Let's have a parade.
		You can have a single point of failure, but all that stuff is an abdication of responsibility for your own agency.
		That's the crazy thing.
		The story about these people like trying to like women that are saying what their conservative ring size is, I saw this, it was like Sarah Stocks and it was Pearly Things, whatever her name is, and some of the other ladies were all jumping in.
		What about this, ladies, if you're on social media, you're not conservative enough for Kyle Sarafin.
		I'm the most conservative person of all these people.
		Why is that?
		I've got four babies.
		I want more.
		My wife has no social media account.
		She has a master's degree and she works from home.
		She's a home schooler.
		She teaches from home and her whole job is like milling flour.
		I'm kidding you, we mill our own flour now.
		She's baking bread.
		She's doing the sourdough thing.
		She makes food and jams and all this kind of stuff.
		She's down making tacos right now so we can have a brisket sandwich before I go do an evening show.
		Like my wife is super conservative, like crazy thing you can think of.
		She's done all those things.
		She dresses modestly.
		She doesn't show off more skin than necessary.
		She doesn't have a two-piece swimsuit when we go to the pool.
		And she does that not because I told her to.
		She doesn't have any male friends.
		We were talking about it the other day.
		I'm like, shoot.
		I don't even have any female friends either.
		We live a very conservative life and I'll stack it against anyone.
		Donald Trump is not that Donald Trump has been divorced like multiple times.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Now marries you, you know.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		It's again about spending more money than anybody.
		His administration spent more money in the first round and he's going to spend more money in the second round.
		There's nothing conservative about Donald Trump, but he was obviously the better choice because the alternative was an insane proposition of a borderline retarded person in Kamala Harris who was out there saying things that made no sense, seemed like she was day drunk.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Still, she's still doing it.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good idea.
unidentified		Yeah.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, she went on the Colbert show and seemed more drunk than ever.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm trying to debut.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		He probably lives in a bottle at this point.
		At the end of the day, he's not conservative.
		You don't have to convinvince me that he was the right choice.
		I like, I said, I voted transactionally.
		I voted so that you could have a felony charge that was spung from your record.
		I voted for my friend Steve Baker not to go to prison.
		It's really easy.
		I voted that I hope that we deport a ton of people so that my children have a possibility of growing up in a more America similar to where I grew up in, which was freaking awesome, by the way.
		The joke that I used to tell people is that the America that I grew up in would totally invade the United States that I live in right now.
		And I grew up, I never leave the country.
		I live in the same nation.
		But nineteen eighty's America would kick the butt of twenty twenty five America.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Maybe South Park agrees.
		And that's why they have Donald Trump as the new Saddam Hussein character.
		Well, what's funny to me is, and I think you're right about the way you said that was very eloquent.
		And sometimes it's not an individual figure, it might just be a group of people like, oh, let's blame the left for everything, or let's blame the Jews for everything, right?
		And so it kind of just any way, anywhere you can aim that to abdicate self responsibility and self-owership and self government, you definitely see that.
		But on the personal end of it, I remember a couple of years ago, I think it was, ah, it was some, a couple of big social media figures.
		It was a big social media guy, I think he has a YouTube channel.
		He gets married to some model and who's, whatever, dated everyone or done like a nude photo shoot or something.
		And I'm like, why do you care?
		Like, I don't understand if he's happy, if she's happy, maybe they're in love.
		Like, why do people care about someone else's life?
		It's kind of the same thing though, isn't it?
		It's like, you only get one life.
		You only get a pair of eyes.
		You only get one brain.
		You only get one consciousness.
		Like, you're only in control of this.
		Like, why do you care what other people are doing?
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I don't care if you're conservative, not conservative.
		I'm doing the thing that makes sense for me.
		If you want to come into my marriage and tell me something about it, like, I'll put a tomahawk in your face.
		But outside of that, like, it's totally irrelevant to me.
		If you want to live like, have multiple partners, you know, I probably just won't associate with you.
		I have friends that I went to college with and they announced to me that they have an open marriage.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That's cool.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's your problem.
		I think that's sad for your kids.
		I think it's sad for your wife and for you.
		And I don't think it's good for your salvation.
		But guess what?
		Do whatever you're going to do.
		I'm not going to stop you.
		I'm probably not going to be the close friend that I was because you have weird values and they're not mine.
		That's all.
		But, but like, I don't need to condemn you.
		I have plenty of problems of mine.
		Like Steve's story too.
		Steve's doing Steve's thing.
		You're not going to hear Steve go out there and tell you, you must live the way Steve Friend says.
		How do I know that?
		Because I talk to Steve every single day.
		Steve has never said, you must live the Steve Friend way.
		He just lives by principles.
		And at the end of the day, if you want to go out and enforce your principles or your ring size, by the way, I'm twelve years married and my wife's ring cost me forty dollars because she chose it out herself on Etsy.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I think that's the biggest flex., the least amount of money as a man, the least amount of money you can spend on a ring and a wedding, that's the real flex.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Take a nice vacation, a honeymoon or something.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		I think we spent five thousand dollars on the total cost of the wedding, or at least that was the budget.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		And I think my socers came in and said, I actually would bet that people that spend more money on weddings have a higher divorce rate.
		I would bet that.
		I bet there's actually a way to do it.
		If you could do a study.
		I think I have a solution here though, Steve.
		Stressed adults rely on pacifiers to soothe themselves.
		I feel a sense of safety from childhood.
		There you go, all right?
		So we have the solution here, Steve.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I guess that will be the next iteration of what goes on at the FBI Human Resources Division.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		They're going to have a little, they'll have the FBI insignia on the binky.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, they've already done the chair yoga and the group walks and the coloring sessions and the painting lessons.
		So why not just break in the pacifier?
		It'll go right along with the relaxation rooms where they have the massage chairs and signage on the wall that says that it's okay to just all you do today is survive and not have a productive day.
		I mean, like this is an infantilized culture and it's really disturbing that we have grown-ups in this country that are engaging in this and thinking that this is like some sort of.
		effort for their mental health.
		But it kind of goes back to, I think it was an Adam Corolla piece where you're just disappointed when you become an adult.
		Because when you're a kid, you look at the grown-ups in the room and you're saying, well, they drive a car and they have a job and they have a house and they got their stuff together.
		Meanwhile, the kid who's sitting next to you in class is eating paste and is completely incapable.
		And then you grow up and realize that the kid that was eating paste now has a job and drives a car and owns a house.
		And then you come to the realization that most people don't mature beyond where they were around like age 11 or 12.
		They're just boys who can shave.
		So it kind of seemed appropriate that they'd be able to put a pacifier in and remind them of the time they were sitting on mom's knee.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Or as they say, high school never ends.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		You know what, Owen?
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		I watched Alex come into your show and he was like all an't up and he was giving you a hard time for being really negative.
		And I was actually texting him at the same time and I'm like, Alex, um, you know, Owen's a pessimist.
		I'm a pessimist.
		You know, the nice thing about being a pessimist is you rarely let down because you're already like assuming the worst.
		I'm going to tell you pessimist.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But that's actually why I'm not a pessimist.
		I'm actually not.
		I'm really not a negative person.
		I'm just going to frame it in a way.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the same thing.
		So what I'm getting at is that if you're an optimist.
		and you walk out there, and this is the same problem with the Hopium folks, the folks that are worried about, like, oh, what happens if the Hopium runs out, that's the danger.
		Optimists who expect good things to happen.
		Okay.
		And this is a very anti Christian position, by the way, because I said this to Alex earlier.
		But if you think the best thing in the world is always going to happen, you can look to the Bible and realize that the only perfect man who ever walked the earth was killed brutally and he ended in a very, very tragic way at a very young age.
		And that doesn't work out that well.
		So if that worked out for him and that was the Son of God and you're a Christian, you're like, okay, well, it probably won't work out really well for me either.
		I'm going to do the best I can with what I have, but I should expect bad things to happen.
		That's natural.
		That's what this world is.
		Who told you it would be fair?
		Nobody.
		But these people that go out there and expect it to be good, they're going to be disappointed.
		And people like you and me and probably people like Steve who kind of live in a sarcastic, sarcastic, I'll call it pragmatic reality, you go, yeah, I look at previous examples of nothing happened.
		So I expect nothing will happen.
		And when nothing happens, it doesn't devastate me.
		It's just like, darn.
		Like maybe sometimes you're more like Eeyore than you are Winnie the Pooh, but at least like nobody takes you for granted.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I've expressed it.
		I've expressed a similar thing just, just kind of in a different way.
		But it's like, oh, trust the plan, trust what plan?
		Do you know the plan?
		No, you don't know the plan.
		What plan?
		You don't even know what, you trust what plan.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		You are the plan.
steve friend ▲ ● ▼		So, status.
		quo is the status quo until it's not the status quo anymore.
		And the only people that actually make it out of the POW camp are the ones that say, well, don't engage in, well, tomorrow we might be rescued.
		Just give up on hope and embrace the sock of where you are and that's where you actually are on a trail.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Or trying to escape.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, you have to be cutting.
		So listen, this is that funny story from when I was at Sears school.
		So I went into POW training.
		This is the stuff the US military teaches.
		And they teach you how to pick handcuffs and they teach you how to do some other things like escape restraints and so on and so forth.
		I don't think I'm giving away anything.
		So they well, they do this thing that is a non traditional.
		So it's like a non Geneva Convention snare.
		In this convention scenario, you're basically captured by terrorists, you're on your knees and you're waiting to have your head cut off, kind of deal in this crappy tent.
		And I look at the ground and they've made this thing really easy.
		There's all these bobby pins, which they've been teaching you how to pick the handcuffs with for like the last week and a half.
		And so there's all these bobby pins on the ground, like it's mixed in with, you know, the straw and the dirt and whatnot.
		And so I look down and I'm like, well crap, okay, come on.
		So I pick my handcuffs because like that's what I was trained to do in this training.
		And the officer who was in charge was like, guys, nobody resists.
		Nobody pick your handcuffs.
		Just sit still.
		Like, let's just wait for the embassy or something like that.
		And I was like, that's not what they taught us.
		Like, I'm getting the hell out of here.
		You guys can hang out and get your heads cut off.
		Like, no way.
		So I've got my handcuffs picked and then I just kind of stage them on the back of my hands.
		And so whenever the event happens where like the rescue force comes running in, like there's only one guy out of the handcuffs of the fifteen people there and it was me.
		And I'm like, I'm out here.
		Like, I'm going.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a telling story right there.
kyle seraphin ▲ ● ▼		And you look around and you're like, all these crew members, all these combat pilots, all these people that are fighter jets, dude, like they all like listen to orders and didn't do what they were told.
		Like they didn't do what they were trained.
		They did what they were told.
		I'm not that guy.
		Most people are that guy.
		They're going to wait for their headsets.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I guess that's why we're all here, right?
		I guess that's what the freaking handcuffs be.
		That's what the three of us have in common.
		Well, this was a fun two hours guys.
		I really appreciate your time.
		Very fun, very informative.
		And you know, the one thing I'll say, they they say, oh, you're gonna regret it when Trump arrests the deep state.
		You're gonna regret why would I regret it?
		That's what I want.
		Like, what do you, oh, I'm gonna regret it when Trump does everything I want.
		Wow, you guys got me.
		Oh, that's it.
		All right, Steve friend Kyle Sarafin, great stuff.
		God bless you guys.
		We'll see you tomorrow.
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