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Ladies and gentlemen, it's Friday, July 18th, 2025.
This is the InfoWars War Realm.
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Now, I've got a stack of some geopolitical developments over here, mostly pertaining to some things that happened in Congress and funding of Israel and Israel's continued five-front war.
And even Mike Huckabee now, kind of, I guess that he's lived there for an extended period of time.
He's like, yeah, actually, Israel's not very friendly to Christians.
Christians probably shouldn't come here.
It's not good.
Plus, they won't stop bombing all these countries.
So maybe not a good time.
He's warning about that.
And then Israel is attempting to do a similar political influence takeover in Ireland that they've done here.
And then there's a push back and forth.
And then every single APAC-controlled member of Congress is putting out a statement today saying, oh, the Irish need to accept this.
They need to accept Israel's influence.
It's like, oh, yeah, we can't see what's going on here.
So we'll get to that.
And of course, it's no secret that the whole Israeli influence ties directly into Jeffrey Epstein.
But they don't want you to talk about that.
And they're now publishing headlines saying that's blood libel.
To even suggest Jeffrey Epstein has a connection to Mossad is blood libel, even though the connections to Mossad are very public and it's very obvious.
And so, look, I have to do this today.
We're going to do it, but I'm going to use the whole segment after this, probably about the whole 25 minutes, to really just lay out in the most encapsulated way possible what the Jeffrey Epstein saga is really about.
From the political developments in this Trump administration that we've seen that have really made this such a big issue, intentionally, unintentionally.
That's just the truth.
But also Epstein in the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s, the charges to the fake suicide.
I'm going to lay it all out.
I'm going to tell you what it's really all about and I'm going to give you all the facts and all the evidence.
Because here's what I realized really in the last about 24 to 48 hours.
And this is just getting crazy as far as the pushback on the right just trying to cover Epstein.
Because these people have this weird thing in their head and they just can't get over it.
It's like a Trump.
It's like Trump derangement syndrome, but on the opposite side.
So it's like you have the Trump derangement syndrome where it's just like everything is bad about Trump and they hate Trump.
And then there's the Trump derangement syndrome where it's like everything is about Trump and everything about Trump is good.
So Trump derangement syndrome now goes both ways.
And so they can't even fathom in their head you doing some type of coverage that's either neutral or fair or not pro-Trump.
And they just go wacky.
And so what I realized having this discussion, because I've just been there before, it's like trying to debate a leftist on politics.
Like I used to go out on the streets 2015, 2016, the videos went viral.
It became a genre on the internet to go out and own the left.
Now a bunch of other young content creators do it.
It's fantastic.
I feel like I can kind of retire and go back in the field if I want, but now they do it.
It's awesome.
But if you recall, because at the time I didn't look at it as a left-right issue, I thought these people would want the information.
I genuinely thought I could go talk to people and give them information and maybe we could reach some similar conclusions or at least have a conversation about the facts available.
And I realized they don't know any facts.
They don't know anything about the topics they're discussing.
They don't know anything about Trump's history, any political history.
And it was just like, oh, okay, they don't know anything.
Well, now I've realized the people that are standing up for, I don't even know what you want to call it, Epstein or they tell you to move on, whatever it is, they don't know anything about it.
They literally don't know anything about Epstein, his history, how he made his billions, how he gained his influence, the charges.
So I'm going to give you all of that as succinctly as possible in this segment.
So if there's anybody you know that doesn't understand this, tell them to tune in.
Well, on Wednesday, we told you the next story to drop would be about Trump's health.
It dropped Thursday morning.
Yesterday, I told you the next big Trump Epstein story would drop as soon as I was off air.
Now, I know what the next big story is.
And I'll just go ahead and get ahead of it now, but it's really irrelevant because I've turned the corner on this whole thing before I lay out the real Epstein story.
And it's funny because the crew was just saying it to me, too.
The whole Trump angle is a distraction.
It's a distraction.
And they're going to come out and try to tie Melania to this stuff and just continue for you to go look over here at the shiny object.
This isn't about Trump.
This is about Jeffrey Epstein and what he was doing and who he was working for and who he was working with.
But just so everybody knows, Melania Trump came to America in 1996 with a Melanese modeling firm.
She met Donald Trump in 1998.
It had nothing to do with Maxwell or Epstein.
And then at future parties when they're hanging out, that's a different story.
But when Trump figured out what Epstein was doing, recruiting the young girls in Florida, using Mar-a-Lago to do it, he shut it down, agreed with the investigations that ultimately wound up with the sweetheart deal of Jeffrey Epstein.
But okay, just put that aside because I've turned the corner.
Trump is a distraction, folks.
Trump is just a distraction.
This Wall Street Journal story is just a distraction.
It's not about Trump.
This is about Jeffrey Epstein.
Who he was working for, who he was working with, and what he was doing, And what people knew.
That's what this is about.
This is not about Donald Trump.
And what's ironic is that Trump has now made it about Trump.
Again, whether this is intentional or not, I don't know.
Maybe it'll make more sense later.
None of it makes any sense.
From Pam Bonnie with phase one and the binder to the documents are on my desk to the, oh, now the whole thing's a hoax.
And then she says she promises she's going to actually unseal the grand jury testimony from Florida.
And then she hasn't done it.
It's now 4.08 Eastern time.
She hasn't done it.
So why is that?
Are they in there clearing it up?
It's not going to matter anyway.
It's going to be all about Epstein and the dozens of minor girls that he was recruiting and sexually abusing.
We already know that.
So all of this is turning out to be a distraction.
But when we upload this segment, guys, we're going to start it here.
Let's lay out as succinctly as possible what the Epstein saga is really about and how we got here.
Let's first start with how we got here.
Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, and Cash Patel, all members of Trump's administration, have been talking about the Epstein files for years.
Four years they've been talking about them and how significant they are because they know exactly what we know.
What Epstein was up to, which I'll get into.
Donald Trump, in his first administration, before he got elected in his first administration, on the campaign in 2024, also talked about the Epstein files, also suggested he was going to declassify all of it.
So this is not an us thing.
This is not a Democrat thing.
This is literally Bondi, Bongino, Patel, and Trump.
We were all in this together as far as the Epstein files are concerned.
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So a couple months go by.
owen shroyer
We're looking at the administration.
We're saying, hey, where are the Epstein files?
Somebody brings it up in a cabinet meeting and Trump goes off and says, stop talking about it.
So that's really where it begins.
And then he doubles down and triples down and quadruples down and quintuples down.
Stop talking about it.
And then, of course, everybody starts talking about it.
And now the left is going to start using that as a distraction piece to attack Trump.
But this whole thing is not about Trump.
This is about Jeffrey Epstein.
So let's explain.
Jeffrey Epstein comes out of nowhere and gets hired by Donald Barr, Bill Barr's father, Donald Barr, to work at Harvard.
Now, did he have any teaching experience?
No.
Did he have a degree?
No.
So why did he get hired?
I guess that's a bit of a mystery.
But this is how Epstein gets introduced into the world of the elite, as we can see from the rest of his history.
Now, it's well known that these Ivy League schools will all the time bring in cutouts and train them to go into the field as intelligence assets.
So Bill Barr's father brings in Epstein when he's in his 20s out of nowhere, introduces him to the world of the elite.
Eventually, from that job, working at a university, he somehow becomes a major financier, a big financial advisor, money mover.
He starts his first company, I believe it was called AG Worldwide, and he starts bringing in big name clients with big money.
And this is when he leaves his pseudo-career as a teacher's aide or whatever it was he was there, and now becomes a money manager.
And basically, the sales pitch is unofficially, wink, wink, nod, nod, if you have a bunch of money and you want to hide it, if you have a bunch of money and you need to move it around, if you have a bunch of money and you don't want to get taxed, whatever it is, I'm here for you.
That's what I do.
And apparently he was really good at it.
In fact, he was so good at it that he ends up launching J Epstein.
And his official moniker on the website was, he only takes billionaire clients.
When he launched Jay Epstein and said he only takes billionaire clients, there were only 140 billionaires in the entire world.
Now, the most significant of his clients has to be Les Wexner.
Wexner, the inventor of Victoria's Secret, a company that sells lingerie to teenagers.
Wexner turns over his entire portfolio of billions of dollars to Epstein.
So when they talk about Epstein lists or Epstein clients, there's a good place to start.
Whose money was Epstein managing and why?
And where did it go?
And what did they get out of it?
And what were they trying to do?
Now, a couple other points on this before we get into the prosecutions, the criminal charges.
At one point, Epstein himself and his companies were under investigation and would have been facing criminal charges.
If anyone else, if you did this or if I did this, we would have been in jail, but not Epstein.
Somehow, when he's facing these investigations and looking at charges, they just decide to toss the case just out the door.
No problem.
It's gone.
So this is your first sign that whatever he's doing, it's not just well connected to the rich.
It's well connected to likely governments and intelligence agencies.
And if that's not enough, Epstein and leaked emails, it comes out, arranges, at least it appears to suggest, arranges a meeting between the president of JPMorgan, the biggest bank in the world, and Benjamin Netanyahu.
And essentially, the president of J.P. Morgan is like thanking Epstein for setting this up, and he's like, yeah, he couldn't believe it.
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He pulled it off.
owen shroyer
You also have former Israeli prime minister going in and out of Epstein's New York mansion and Epstein at one point paying Ehud Barak $2.3 million.
Now, these are all the old financial stuff.
A lot of this was really what happened was it got covered into the early 2000s.
There were two people that were covering it.
I forget their names right now.
It was a lady, and then it was a guy that was covering it.
And it might have been Vanity Fair.
I can't remember who it was.
It might have been Vanity Fair.
They were about to put out the big story about Epstein.
And the editor-in-chief, right before they're going to put it out, finds a dead cat with a bullet next to its head on his doorstep.
And they re-editorialize the story.
Now, this is all in 2002.
This is all in 2002 before the sex crimes charges.
And he's just a financier, and he's just well connected to all these billionaires and everything else.
And yeah, he's going around with Trump and dancing and stuff.
But you know what?
You could argue at that time you didn't know he was a pedophile.
You could have plausible deniability, at least as far as we know, you could have plausible deniability that he was not, that you did not know he was a pedophile at that time.
It was just financial stuff.
And whatever investigations he was facing, they spiked that.
So you might think, okay, it's still all above board.
So now we go to the first charges.
A couple young girls, as young as 14, report to local police that Epstein is recruiting young women to his Florida mansion.
Dozens of girls.
The local police take this so seriously and they think it's such a big deal that they don't just move on this.
Instead, they do an 18-month investigation following up and seeing how many young girls Epstein is abusing.
Now, what we know is other young girls would recruit other new young girls to go to Epstein's mansion and quote unquote massage him.
So after an 18th month long investigation, the police finally move on Epstein.
Now he faces the charges.
This is where it gets even crazier.
And I notice a lot of people kind of miss the boat on this, and that's okay because they haven't had to deal with federal charges.
I have.
So what happens next is maybe this is where things start to get completely insane.
So when Epstein is facing these charges, federal charges, what happens?
He flees the country to Israel.
Now, as far as we know, Epstein had no connections to Israel.
He is not an Israeli citizen, but he found safe harbor in Israel.
Now, why would that be?
But it's not just the fact that he was able to get safe harbor in Israel while he was facing these charges.
Ladies and gentlemen, when you're facing federal charges, I was facing a misdemeanor, a misdemeanor, and they took my passport and I could not leave my county.
I literally could not leave the FBI district that I'm in and they took my passport.
Now, you get charged with sex crimes against children.
Usually they probably won't even let you out of jail.
Usually you're waiting trial in prison, but they let Epstein out and they let him travel to Israel.
Unheard of.
Unheard of.
Now, just to kind of put a little sprinkle on this ice cream cone, you can look up CBS News and others that have been reporting this for years.
American Jewish pedophiles find safe harbor in Israel.
Now, I've got some follow-up on that we'll have later on in the show, but go ahead.
You can look that up.
American Jewish pedophiles find safe harbor in Israel.
Is that what Epstein was doing?
Or was he going back to Israel because he was an asset of Israel?
So then the negotiations are taking place.
This includes Alex Acosta, who was in Trump's first administration, and a law firm that is also attached to Bill Barr and Brett Kavanaugh, strangely enough.
And they cut a sweetheart deal.
And part of this sweetheart deal is that the co-conspirators, as it says in the document, the non-prosecution document, so that they can bury the whole thing, the co-conspirators will be exonerated.
And Epstein will get his little slap on the wrist sentence.
So all co-conspirators are exonerated.
And Epstein gets a sweetheart deal for two years in prison.
But it gets even crazier.
Epstein was allowed a work release program six days a week, 12 hours a day.
We're talking about a child sex predator.
And even though they may have tossed the charges or the investigations, whatever he was facing with the financial stuff from years ago, they knew he was into that as well.
And they still let him leave the country and they still gave him a six-day-a-week work release.
And then ultimately, he gets out and I guess goes right back to business.
Well, there's a law that says victims get to know about plea agreements.
It's called the Victim Rights Act.
But the feds were hiding all of this from the victims.
The victims just assumed this guy was going to go away for a long time and they wouldn't have to think about it again.
Then when they learned about Epstein's sweetheart deal, they said, hey, nobody told us about this.
We had a right to know.
So it was illegal.
You have to let the victims know about the deal.
They didn't.
So Epstein gets brought back in, and now he's put in the New York prison years later, where he eventually kills himself.
Now, I don't believe he killed himself.
Jeffrey Epstein had already spent time in prison.
It's not like he hadn't been through the prison system before.
His lawyers were telling him, you're going to get out.
You're going to beat these charges.
We already have a plea agreement here.
You're going to get back out.
He believed he was going to get back out.
Plus, he has all these rich, powerful friends, probably knows his government connections.
So Epright thinks he's going to get out too.
So why would he kill himself?
Now, allow me to get a little conspiratorial here, but there are connections.
Epstein has all the traits and all the characters of an intelligence asset.
And I think whatever he was doing, whether it was laundering money, whether it was hiding money as a separate entity from intelligence agencies, because, you know, CIA, Massad, MI6, they don't, it's not like they go do things under their own name.
They use third parties and send them cash and then they operate.
And, you know, sometimes you have to commit crimes.
In fact, there was a story that came out.
It was like 50,000 federal agents have had crimes dropped because it's like, yeah, you're in there.
You have to prove you're with the guys.
You do some money laundering, whatever, some drug dealing.
They drop the charges.
You're like, no, I was doing this as an intelligent asset.
And that includes pedophiles.
So I think Epstein and Khashoggi and Brunel, who are all dead now, I think they were all running some deal.
And it was likely an intelligence agency that said, we've got to bury this whole thing.
We've got to cover them up.
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They have to die.
owen shroyer
So Khashoggi gets killed in Turkey.
Brunel kills himself in a French prison.
And Epstein kills himself in American prison.
And whatever these guys were doing, gone.
You'll never hear from them again.
How convenient.
So you see, this isn't about Donald Trump.
This isn't about some letter he may have written Epstein or not.
This isn't about some illustration that he might have drawn and given to Epstein for his 50th birthday.
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This is all a distraction, folks.
owen shroyer
That is a complete distraction.
This is about Jeffrey Epstein.
This is about who was Jeffrey Epstein working for.
This is about who was Jeffrey Epstein working with.
And if you really want to figure out the sort of details of this man's life, what in the hell were they doing on that island?
But that even, you know, that's kind of like the way down the rabbit hole, what the hell was going on there.
But when you talk about an Epstein list or the Epstein files, there is basic stuff that people have the right to know, I believe.
And that includes all of Epstein's business partners, all of Epstein's financial transactions, all of Epstein's relations to intelligence agencies around the world.
And then from there, you start to ask the other questions, like, was he blackmailing people?
Was that part of his job?
Was he just moving money for intelligence agencies so that they could keep their hands clean of it?
Was he moving weapons around the world like Khashoggi was known to do?
These are basic questions that can be asked and answered.
And so if you don't want to get into the pedophilia stuff that he was into, if you don't want to get into whatever the hell was going on at the island, fine.
I mean, I think probably worth noting if significant people are going there and doing God knows what.
But no, the financial, the sex trafficking, who, what, where, when, and how.
That's what we want.
And that is not too much to ask.
That is not unfair to ask.
Obviously, this man was well connected.
Obviously, this man was so well-connected that he was able to get the most sweetheart deals you've ever seen and then somehow killed in prison and his top partners killed in prison.
Except Maxwell, apparently, who's still running around.
That's the Epstein story.
It's not about Donald Trump, whether he's president or not.
It's not about did the Democrats put some fake thing in the files to try to set Trump up.
And the PR disaster and the comms disaster that this has turned into is just beyond a nightmare.
So that's the Epstein story, at least an encapsulated version of it.
Clearly, this guy was running money for the most rich and powerful people in the world and maybe even running other products or assets as it's said.
And he has all the characteristics of a multiple agent, multiple country intelligence asset.
unidentified
That's the Epstein file.
owen shroyer
That's the Epstein client list.
That's the Epstein saga.
So if Trump is trying to bury this thing because of that letter and illustration, that just makes no sense.
People really don't care about that.
Whether it's real or not, it doesn't even matter.
No.
Is this Trump trying to protect the CIA?
Is this Trump trying to protect MI6?
Is this Trump trying to protect Mossad?
Is this Trump trying to protect the deep state?
Because that's what this is.
When you unravel the Epstein story, that thread brings down a massive, I wouldn't say the whole thing, but I mean, that's like a massive quadrant of how the deep state operates and how corrupt things are.
That's the Epstein saga.
Now, we'll get into all the distractions and all the other headlines on the other side of this break, but don't be distracted, folks.
That's the Epstein story.
Now, there's other ripples to this Epstein saga.
I just did as much as I could in a 20-minute segment just so people understand the background and what this is really about.
Because this isn't about Donald Trump.
This isn't about some letter to Epstein.
This is about Epstein, the intelligence networks, and the rich, powerful elite that he was working with.
That's what this is about.
That's what we want to know.
Obviously, this guy was involved in shady behavior behind the most sorted of it, the sexual assault on minors.
Obviously.
But, oh yeah, you get that close to figuring out how things really work, they shut it down.
And so that's the problem.
That's why this has been such a disaster for the Trump administration.
You're better off saying nothing.
You were better off just going completely silent and just ghosting this.
But instead, you've now made it the biggest story.
And now there's so much distrust, there's so much distaste that people just can't even say, oh, why don't you follow the good news?
They put up some graphic on the White House X account today like, big wins, big wins.
You just spit in our face and punched us in the stomach and shoved us overboard.
You think we're just going to get over that?
Because now your legacy is currently not the big wins, not the big, beautiful bill and all this stuff.
Now your legacy is covering up for the deep state, covering up for the Epstein case.
That's just the fact.
That's not my opinion.
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You did that, not us.
owen shroyer
And now it's just, it's just, you know, Trump with the shutdowns in the COVID years, it's like, okay, yeah, that's a scar on his political legacy.
And then Operation Warp Speed with the vaccines.
And it's like, okay, it's another scar on your political, on your, on your political career.
It's like, all right, we can kind of move on from those scars.
And we can still love you.
This isn't beyond a scar.
This is like total mutilation.
This is like total, like, I can't move on from this.
Now, here's some of the distractions, some of the headlines going around today.
Douglas Murray, you guys remember him, right?
He gets to write this post for the New York Post.
Do American voters really care about Epstein?
Actually, it's how many voters really care about Epstein?
You're not American.
You're not an American, so shut the hell up.
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Have you ever been to Epstein Island, Douglas Murray?
owen shroyer
Have you ever been there?
Have you ever been?
Boy, how about this guy?
He loves to cover up criminal behavior.
He loves watching people get bombed all over the Middle East by Israel.
He loves watching people cover up for a giant sex trafficking, money laundering operation.
And then he tells you, the American, stop caring.
So the distraction piece hits yesterday.
The Wall Street Journal.
Now, keep in mind, so you have News Corp and the Murdoch playing both sides of this now.
Wall Street Journal owned by the Murdoch.
Trump's going to sue them.
Says it's all a hoax.
Says it's all fake.
New York Post, same deal.
So New York Post is over here telling you, stop with Epstein.
It's nothing.
And then News Corp is over here with Wall Street Journal saying, hey, look, Trump and Epstein.
So is it just all part of the same psyop?
Are they just playing both sides of it?
But that's a worthy thing for you to understand that's going on.
Now, look, this is why Trump made such a big mistake saying that we're bad and weak and pathetic and all this stuff, as I said earlier, because now these stories that normally we'd probably just either let slide or not make a big thing of, now we're not going to sit here and be lied to.
We're not going to be sit here and be scolded.
Trump claims he's never wrote a picture in his life.
Folks, that is a blatant lie.
It's an unreal lie.
I've got nine Trump sketches right here on my desk.
Nine.
Now, you can scour the internet and find these.
You can scour the internet and there's other stories about Trump's sketches and apparently auctioning them off and selling them for charity and all this stuff.
No, no, Trump is actually well known for drawing skylines and skyscrapers.
Manhattan skyline sketch drawn by Donald Trump sells for $29,000.
Trump's drawing of a skyscraper, the Empire State Building, sells for $16,000.
What do you mean you've never drawn?
You've drawn.
You've absolutely drawn.
What are you doing?
Why are you making yourself look so guilty?
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Why are you making yourself look so guilty?
owen shroyer
I wouldn't even have covered this stuff.
I wouldn't even have looked into this stuff.
I wouldn't even have cared.
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And then you come out, oh, I've never drowned before.
owen shroyer
Really?
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Really?
owen shroyer
Yeah, and I've never hosted a talk show before.
I've never worn a gold watch before.
Like, what?
It's ridiculous.
Now, Trump can claim plausible deniability when it comes to Epstein being a pedophile, unlike Bill Gates, who was doing work with Epstein post-charges and many others.
But Trump knew he was into young girls.
He told, it was the exact quote, I've known Jeff for 15 years, terrific guy.
He likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.
It's a direct quote from Donald Trump about Jeffrey Epstein, New York Magazine, 2002.
So he knew he was into young girls.
But hey, okay, you could consider a 20-year-old young girl.
That's legal.
So, all right.
Plausible deniability.
Others don't have that.
You know, it's funny, the New Yorker, did you know Epstein and Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, you know they tried to buy New York magazine?
Right after that quote, by the way?
Did you know that?
Right after that quote, Epstein and Weinstein tried to buy it.
Now they were outbid.
They gave it a shot.
They were outbid.
Here's a story from 2016.
Billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein once claimed he co-founded the Clinton Foundation.
He was all over with the Clintons.
Yeah.
How about that?
The Clinton Foundation.
What is the Clinton Foundation known for, guys?
Anybody know about what the Clinton Foundation is known for?
Anybody know about Laura Silsby?
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Hmm.
owen shroyer
What went on at that island?
You think he was only doing it at his Florida mansion, folks?
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Come on.
owen shroyer
Don't be so naive.
Now, this was the story in the Associated Press when he was originally charged.
Jail for a financier.
Well, what was he financing?
Who is he financing for?
Let's get the list.
New York billionaire Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty yesterday to soliciting prostitution from underage girls in South Florida.
Sentenced the 55-year-old money manager to 18 months in Palm Beach County jail, followed by a year of house arrest.
Now, I told you about the details of this slap-on-the-wrist sentence.
And when the victims found out, they were irate.
It was the most sweetheart deal you could ever imagine, and the co-conspirators were let off.
Now, you know, maybe it's worth mentioning this, too.
There were obviously a lot of victims here.
And people are saying, well, the victims need to come out and speak.
Well, some of them have come out and speak and they've died.
So that scares people off.
But if you're a young girl, if you're 14 years old and you're being brought over to Epstein's Florida mansion and maybe there's some other guys there, you don't know who that is.
You don't know who these men are.
It's not like they can come out and say, oh, yeah, it was him.
They don't know.
They're 14 years old.
You get these teenage girls, they get flown out to the island.
They're on a plane with a bunch of dudes.
They don't know who they are.
You say, well, why don't the victims name names?
They don't know who they are.
Now, they did know one thing about them.
I'll get to that in a second.
But you could also have bad actors that just try to jump on this and claim they're victims too and then ruin it for everybody else.
So that's a whole side issue.
But the strange things happening around Epstein just continue to pile up over the years.
This is from 2008.
Trust keeps Powerball winner a mystery.
Only Lottery Commission knows who is now $29.3 million richer.
Now let's see.
What was the name of the trust?
unidentified
Zorro Trust.
owen shroyer
Zorro Trust.
Zorro Ranch.
Hmm.
And nobody gets to know the winner.
unidentified
Huh.
owen shroyer
That make you a little curious?
unidentified
Hmm?
owen shroyer
Now, this is a story that just happened.
And so now they're making it all about Trump.
And so I guess I get it from a certain perspective from Trump because they're trying to make it all about him, but then he makes it all about him.
It's like, no, Trump, make it about Epstein.
Make it about Wexner.
You know, Wexner is still alive.
Maxwell is still alive.
The banks that are working his money accounts are, you can get these records.
So don't make it about you.
Make it about Epstein.
But then it just becomes all about Trump.
And then they write these stories.
I was abused by Jeffrey Epstein.
Why is Trump silencing me?
Danielle Bensky, who was abused by Epstein when she was a teenager, aspiring ballerina, said the decision left her feeling like she was on a first-class flight on a refurbished Lolita Express, the nickname for Epstein's private jet, because they all knew what was going on, what it was all about.
I feel like the current cabinet is essentially erasing our voices after years of bravery and work to find our way out of silence.
It's actually worse than silencing.
It's rewriting a narrative as if none of us existed in the first place.
And she goes on.
So I look, there's things that I know are going to happen.
Like I said this week with the health story and then the Epstein story and then the lawsuit and it'll be Melania eventually.
And then there's things I can predict, I suppose.
Victims might start getting louder.
And if these media outlets are going to make it about Trump, then they're going to start reaching out to these victims and they'll look for any statement.
They don't even care as long as they can attack Trump on it.
But it's like Trump says, oh, I'm done with you.
You're a weakling.
You're pathetic.
And then makes it all about him, how it's a hoax attacking him.
You should have made it about Epstein.
You should have forced Pam Bonte to do something.
By the way, it's now 4.45 on the East Coast and still no grand jury unsealment from Pam Boni.
She promised it would be done this morning.
So she continues to be a complete disaster.
But did you know that Trump actually supported her campaign?
Trump contribution to Pam Bonte's re-election draws more scrutiny to her fundraising.
So they've got a long history of friendliness together.
So, okay.
And now they're writing all of these stories trying to protect Susie Wiles.
There were two today.
It's like, how does Trump keep winning?
And then it's all about, it's all giving credit to Susie Wiles.
And then another one, Susie Wiles and Donald Trump are like John Madden and Pat Sommerall in their heyday.
So see, told you the message was coming out of D.C. Start putting the heat on Susie Wiles.
And then, oh, here comes the Susie Wiles protection headlines.
I had those stories on my desk.
I can't find them now.
Oh, here it is.
Trump's key to the winning streak, all about Susie Wiles.
Trump and Wiles are the new Madden in Summerall.
I mean, look, folks, a horrible underestimation has been made here.
I guess they really thought that we didn't have any influence.
I guess they really thought if they could control the mainstream press and Fox News, that people would just move on, which is a crazy thing because it was the independent press.
It was the grassroots.
It was the anti-establishment types that got Trump across the finish line.
So I don't know who told him that he could trump us, to put it one way.
I don't know whose advice he was getting that said, hey, don't worry about them.
They don't have any power.
They don't have any voice.
They don't have any say.
I don't know if that was Wiles or someone else.
Wiles, who works with Big Pharma, that did massive damage to Trump politically.
Wiles, who works with Netanyahu, who's done massive damage to Trump politically, and she's still in there running the show.
So maybe it was Wiles that said, oh, don't worry about them.
We've got more power than them.
How could you underestimate that?
How could you really not see that this was going to become a full-blown disaster?
You obviously knew the power of the independent media and the anti-establishment right when we rode with you in 2016.
And then you went and you did all the podcasts in 2024 to get elected.
You're getting horrible advice, President Trump.
You need to go with your instincts.
I'd fire them all.
That's what I'd do.
I'd fire every single one of them, and then I'd just shut it all down.
I'd say, you know what, we're firing every single person here, and you know what?
We're just going to go ahead and close every single agency.
This whole thing, it's done.
We're done.
We're done.
We're giving the country back to the people, like he said in his first inauguration speech.
And if the Democrats altered any documents dealing with the Epstein files to put fake stuff in there, to pin it on Donald Trump, then somebody needs to investigate that and arrest them.
But how many deep state arrests have there been?
None.
And look, I mean, I can sit here and say, okay, they killed Epstein.
They killed Brunel.
Maybe they're just killing this giant human trafficking network.
Maybe they're just killing all these elite pedophiles that they're dealing kids to the other rich pedophiles.
I mean, they've shut down the border.
They've arrested hundreds of child traffickers and pedophiles.
I mean, that's being done.
So it's just like, if you're doing this, then come out and say it.
Don't tell us to stop talking about it.
Don't try to bury the Epstein thing.
You got to have some honesty here.
You can't tell us you're the most transparent administration in history and then try to bury one of the biggest stories of all time.
So I don't want to believe Trump is involved in anything illegal.
I don't think he is.
But there's legitimate questions.
And his recent behavior is unexplainable.
So why are we covering up for Jeffrey Epstein?
Why are we covering up for the CIA or MI6 or Mossad?
Why?
Why are we covering up for this?
Why are we covering up for the billionaires that were using him to move money around?
Why are we covering up for whoever was going down to the island to do God knows what?
Why?
Doesn't make any sense.
Now, this is going to be a little offensive.
But I'm just going to I'm just going to show you everything, folks.
I'm just going to show you everything.
And the more I find, what I find interesting and relevant, I'm going to show you.
That's how we're going to do business here.
This is Epstein victim Maria Farmer talking about her experience with Epstein and his friends.
So again, if you're some young girl, you don't know who these people.
You don't know who Les Wexner is.
You don't know who that is.
It's just another guy.
So they don't know who these guys are running around.
But one victim, Maria Farmer, noticed a lot of them had one thing in common here in Clip 2.
unidentified
I wasn't allowed to go get food.
And when I called D-Lann and asked why I couldn't eat there, she said, it's a Jewish country club.
maria farmer
They're not Jewish.
They're not going to serve you.
This is how this woman spoke to me.
Yeah.
This is how these people think, Whitney.
unidentified
They honest to God think their DNA is better than everybody else.
maria farmer
I swear to you.
It was a theme all the time with them.
With I think Guggenheim, with Jeffrey Epstein, with Elen.
It was a theme.
unidentified
You know, Jeffrey was a lot less a human being.
maria farmer
Like just being around.
She was raping just as many children.
unidentified
So the Constitution Club, you weren't still.
That was only for people of a certain religious ethnicity.
Okay, so that's fortunate.
maria farmer
I mean, they could cut you down.
unidentified
And it was so morally devastating.
maria farmer
You just felt useless as a human being when you were told you're nothing because you're not Jewish, you're stupid, you're useless, a useless white girl, a poor little peasant.
unidentified
You know, I mean, just the things that I was told, I was just like, I believed it.
maria farmer
You know, because it was like the problem.
Yeah, you wouldn't believe the way Jeffrey Hughes spoke about African Americans.
It was like, it made my skin crawl.
Anybody who was not Jewish, and sorry about this, but the way they spoke about them, it was really horrifying.
unidentified
And it showed me a great deal about how these people truly believe that they're chosen to do something here.
maria farmer
I don't know.
It's unbelievable.
I mean, and it was every one of them, the way they spoke.
unidentified
One time I heard Isabel say to her mother, Eileen, Mommy, why do you call Maria a nobody?
She said, honey, Isabel.
maria farmer
Maria is not a Jew.
She is a nobody.
unidentified
Well, you know, this was pretty much.
This is the stuff I might actually include just because my X-Wall family has.
And that group openly talks about how only Jews are human and the rest of human beings are like cattle, basically.
owen shroyer
Now, could this have anything to do with why people like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin and others are telling you to just move on?
Now, let's be perfectly clear about something here.
I also happened to work at a Jewish country club when I was, I believe, 20 or 21.
I was an assistant manager for the pool for two years.
Some of the nicest people I've ever met.
And I could go golfing on their golf course, and I can go hang out at the pool, hung out with all of them.
And most of the staff was also not Jewish.
So just to be clear here, I don't believe that about Jewish people.
Okay?
My experience with Jewish people has been great.
But let's recognize something.
If there is a group of fanatical Jewish supremacists that believe that you are lesser, and they can just rape you and treat you like a slave, then maybe that explains some of the stuff that Epstein was doing.
Maybe that explains why Israel opens its doors to American Jews that get caught with pedophilia.
And they say, come on home.
Maybe that's why other people are telling you to move on from this so vehemently.
unidentified
you Thank you.
owen shroyer
Mark Levin had it again today, telling you to move on, saying nobody cares.
And then it's completely hyperbolic when he's saying, oh, the people that keep talking about Epstein have no influence.
Really, Mark, because you're still talking about it.
Really, Mark, because you're still panicked about it.
Really, Mark, because the White House is having to address it and ask questions about it every single day.
Really, Mark, because Pam Bonnie was supposed to go unseal grand jury testimony in Florida.
So I guess we do have the impact, don't we?
unidentified
Okay.
owen shroyer
So I told you folks, anything I find here, I'm going to share with you.
My loyalty is to the truth.
And I'm going to make sure your three hours that you tune in here are always going to be worth it.
By the way, this was J.D. Vance.
Just for a little added bonus before we close out the hour.
J.D. Vance, September 2021.
Remember when we learned that our wealthiest and most powerful people were connected to a guy who ran a literal child sex trafficking ring?
And then that guy died mysteriously in jail?
And now we just don't talk about it?
I remember JD.
Except now we are talking about it.
People don't like that.
unidentified
Coming up next is going to be James O'Keefe in the studio.
owen shroyer
That's going to be fun.
Really appreciate James as a person.
And of course, the work he's done over the years speaks for Itself.
But, you know, he's got a bunch of big news he's going to break here.
And then also, you know, he did go to the Epstein mansion.
So he can talk about a little bit of that.
You know, with like Satan worshiping books and stuff.
They got the little Moloch statue on the temple.
They claimed it was for recording music, guys.
Yeah.
Music, huh?
Okay.
So we got that coming up.
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Did you hear about Stephen Colbert?
I guess they're shutting down his show.
So, you know, old Stephen Colbert, we remember one of the classic moments from Stephen when he was singing a rendition of Gautier.
Nothing strange about this at all in clip seven.
Totally normal as he He seems more excited than ever in that picture to be with John Podesta.
So, Stephen, I'm sure he'll be back.
unidentified
I'm sure he'll be back.
owen shroyer
FBI agents pulled the flag, Jeffrey Epstein records about Trump.
So now the Democrats are digging into all of this, making their own claims.
Well, yeah, I mean, of course.
This thing is getting messier by the day.
Messier by the day.
And it didn't have to be this way.
And so now the Trump administration and Tulsi Gabbard just came out with a statement.
And now they're going after the Obama administration for the Russian collusion hoax and spygate.
And so, look, that needs to be done.
And part of the problem here is that you haven't arrested the deep state.
Part of the problem here is that you didn't arrest the deep state in your first term.
So you can talk again and throw this red meat out to people and say, look, look what they did to Trump.
He's the victim here.
Look, the Democrats, Obama committed crimes.
Yeah, we're well aware.
Why aren't they in cuffs?
I mean, for the love of God, folks, the House Oversight Committee and the House Judiciary Committee has the flowchart of money from foreign countries and foreign companies to the Biden crime family right into the Biden bank accounts.
And they show all the money moving around and everybody getting their cut.
And the emails and the text and the Hunter Biden laptop.
unidentified
Where are the arrests?
owen shroyer
So I don't want to hear about it.
I don't want to hear about any of this deep state stuff that you're throwing on the table for us.
I want to see arrests.
And until you start arresting people, nothing is going to change.
Period.
That's it.
I mean, you want to talk about, look, if you want people to stop talking about Epstein, I'll give you the solution right now.
I'll give you the $10 million advice that apparently Susie Wils isn't good enough, smart enough to give you.
Start arresting people.
Tell your friends at Fox News to have the cameras ready and start arresting people.
There you go.
Start doing raids on their house like they did to Roger Stone and so many others.
Start arresting deep state criminals.
You want people to stop talking about Epstein?
You want something that's not just some red meat you're expecting us to chew on or a lollipop you want us to lick or a boot you want us to clean?
Start arresting deep state criminals.
That'll take the story off of Epstein.
And one man who's exposed plenty of deep state criminals is James O'Keefe, who joins me in studio now.
I can't even do really a proper introduction because we're live.
So James O'Keefe in studio.
There you go.
Why don't you give James a call and say, hey, you know, you got anybody maybe we should start investigating?
james okeefe
I'd love that.
owen shroyer
Wouldn't you like that?
james okeefe
I'd love to interact with the audience.
unidentified
Right here is yourself set up.
owen shroyer
Get yourself comfortable.
Get the cameras all ready.
unidentified
Yep.
owen shroyer
How are you doing?
james okeefe
Doing great.
It's nice to see you in person.
owen shroyer
Well, I can't help but want to ask you a million questions about going into the Epstein Mansion.
Oh, man.
I know that you guys got a lot of other stuff.
You just put out another big pharma video.
You've got a lot of stuff going on with the Deep State.
james okeefe
Let's talk about the Epstein Mansion.
Let's talk about those things.
owen shroyer
I don't think I've talked about that with you.
Let me start with it like this, because I think you're kind of like me, where there's a certain vibe to things.
Like when you go out and you do your undercover work, you kind of have to go with a little bit of a feel, right?
You have to go like, okay, when do I move in on this guy?
Or maybe it's time to sit back or maybe there's something here.
We stick with this guy.
Or, you know, that's not something here.
Let's move on.
You know, you kind of have to go with the feel.
What was the feel like when you went into that mansion and started looking around?
Did it feel like, hey, this is, there's something weird here?
Or was it just like hollow?
james okeefe
Well, that was given to us by a source who was there.
So I didn't actually set foot.
We didn't me personally.
owen shroyer
Gotcha.
james okeefe
This was something that was provided to us by a source.
And this is the Epstein Island.
And I can't disclose actually who or what the source was.
I can't give any more information except they're with the government and they don't trust the current government.
So this was the Epstein kitchen.
There was like a weird photo of a baby like sucking on this thing.
People have said it has meaning.
owen shroyer
Was it like a Podesta art deal?
james okeefe
It was like a baby with a phallic object in its hand and it was kind of creepy.
It's like Epstein kitchen on the island, St. Little St. James Island.
There was images inside his temple.
We finally got to see inside this weird, you know, blue and white building with the celestial ceiling.
There was images of his bedroom.
And we actually have names on the phone next to his bedroom.
There you go.
There it is.
owen shroyer
That was the image in there?
james okeefe
In the kitchen.
That was in the kitchen.
The baby's holding on to some type of rattler.
And you could see the reflection in the bronze sink.
It almost looked like a man's hairy legs at first, but it was just a reflection.
That was in the Epstein Island kitchen.
We had broke these images.
No one has ever seen this before.
We broke them.
I'm certain the FBI has them.
owen shroyer
There's probably more out there.
james okeefe
There's more.
We know there's more.
I know because people in the FBI have talked to me and then they went cold.
And then just this past weekend, Owen, we had an FBI agent who did not know he was recorded, or not an agent, he was high up in the FBI, saying they've bungled this whole thing.
They're not publishing a lot of things they need to publish.
He said it called a quote shit show.
But the other images we published were in the Epstein library and there was this chalkboard and they have all these words on it like power and deception.
And there were statues with horns and satanic books.
So we published all this stuff.
And by the way, this information came to you not from the government, but from sources in the government.
So that's where I think we're headed.
I think if we're going to know the full truth, Owen, it has to be people inside the FBI, the CIA, or even a foreign intelligence community being incredibly brave and giving us the information directly.
owen shroyer
Well, it's interesting you talk about how they're feeling behind the scenes.
It seems to be reflected on how a lot of us are feeling outside of the scenes.
I mean, I don't know how you feel about the current administration.
You're still doing undercover work.
I mean, basically, I was told by Trump to F off.
james okeefe
When was that?
owen shroyer
He said, you know, he said, if you're talking about Epstein, you're a weakling.
You're pathetic.
That was Wednesday.
james okeefe
Yeah.
He said that to you directly?
owen shroyer
No, he posted it on his ex or on his TrueSocial.
james okeefe
Tagging you.
owen shroyer
He said anybody, he said anybody.
No, no, he said anybody still talking about Epstein is weak, pathetic, losers.
james okeefe
But then yesterday, the president posted that.
He said they're going to publish some of stuff.
owen shroyer
He directly.
Bondi was supposed to release the grand jury testimony today.
It's now 512 East Coast.
We've got nothing.
james okeefe
Did they say they're going to do it today?
owen shroyer
Yes.
james okeefe
Well, you and I have both been in the clinker and been targeted by the government.
And I always bring this up every week.
They did close my case, but they released that affidavit and they redacted everything.
I mean, they redacted every word of the probable cause.
So what the Department of Justice could do is simply release the, they have the power to release these redactions on the affidavits.
owen shroyer
I'm wondering, because I think, I don't know how Bongino sticks around much longer.
I feel like he's going to have the same realization Saki had, which is the longer I stay here, every day that goes by, I'm losing trust.
I'm losing integrity.
How do I go back?
james okeefe
He had a good deal with his podcast.
owen shroyer
He sacrificed it all.
james okeefe
Yeah, as a deputy director, it's probably more of an administrative role.
And these institutions, they seem to just protect themselves.
They preserve their own.
It's not about helping you or getting the truth out.
They're a law enforcement organization, the FBI is, and they have to protect their confidential informants and all that.
I mean, there were confidential informants at my organization, Project Veritas.
And all those black lines, beneath those black lines are the names of confidential FBI informants.
So they can't release that, they would say.
I mean, I would argue that the public's right to know in the Epstein case outweighs the FBI's need to protect their sources and methods.
We just need transparency.
owen shroyer
Well, it would be an interesting thing because when they, the first Epstein sweetheart deal, they said all co-conspirators are exonerated.
And so you wonder then, well, were the co-conspirators government agents?
james okeefe
Right.
owen shroyer
Or were they just other rich billionaires that they just cut a deal and they struck them from the record?
james okeefe
And that's what they're protecting.
They're protecting their sources and methods, right?
owen shroyer
That was actually, yes, literally, that's the quote.
james okeefe
That's what, yeah.
I mean, that's it.
And I know this only because I speak from personal experience as a corollary in my deal.
I mean, every single word of this probable cause.
I mean, they even redacted the little numbers.
Oh, that's from our report.
You're showing video inside Epstein's.
This is the bed he slept on on Epstein's Isle, and that's his phone.
owen shroyer
It had a speed dial on it.
james okeefe
There's a speed dial.
owen shroyer
You know what?
You guys are so good.
I actually thought you were in the room when I was walking.
james okeefe
You know, we have a massive LED.
This is a very expensive screen.
It makes it look like you're there, but I'm standing next to a screen.
But there's a phone.
That's the thing on his dresser.
owen shroyer
Oh, so they were probably doing lobotomies in there.
james okeefe
He believed in something called phrenology.
There's the phone with the speed dial, and there's names on that phone.
And I don't know if you can get a zoom in on that.
There's an image of there.
I can give it to you.
But there's speed dial.
Those are the glasses he wore in the deposition sitting next to his bedside table.
You're looking at images that O'Keeffe Media OMG broke in May.
And this is the bed that Epstein slept in.
And these images were...
So these are the people that he speed dialed.
We had the full names of all these individuals.
You're trying to tell me that there's no chance, there's no evidence that any of those people were accessories before the fact or after the fact with all these children videos, that they knew nothing about that?
That seems unlikely.
owen shroyer
Well, you may remember you do mostly, I mean, you guys do so much work at Project Veritas, you probably don't have the time to go through all the media like I do.
It was Cash Patel in the campaign cycle that said, you got to let cops be cops.
In other words, let them go investigate this, specifically talking about Epstein stuff.
Let them go investigate.
I mean, that's what it is.
Who's investigating this?
Who's following up?
Who's looking for the names?
Who's looking for the clients?
I mean, is anybody doing it?
Or are they just telling you to shut up?
I mean, it sounds like from what you're saying, they're frustrated.
james okeefe
I think they're frustrated.
That's right.
Well, here's a question.
So the FBI agent, we released this recording last weekend, and the FBI director of national intelligence, I think was his title.
He's a high-up guy.
He's saying it's a shit show.
He's saying this is crazy.
They're hiding stuff.
Why are they saying this?
And they're not like, I'm not recording them in the Bureau.
I'm not recording them in a skiff.
This is being recorded in open places.
Why are they saying all this stuff to total strangers and not telling the American people?
owen shroyer
Kind of like Bondi.
james okeefe
And that's the story we did on, you're referring to the story we did on Bondi when she was in the restaurant.
And there's the chalkboard, by the way.
That's the Epstein chalkboard.
I tried to decipher what this means.
I hope many of you could figure this out.
owen shroyer
It looks like, honestly, it looks like intelligence agency propaganda strategy to me.
That's what it looks like.
james okeefe
It's a dark brain or dank brain on the lower.
I think it's dark brain, mirror and face.
These are all words written by Epstein on his chalkboard.
That's from his library.
And this was provided to me by a source who was on the island there right around the time of his arrest.
So going back to Bondi, so she's in a restaurant.
She's disclosing to a self-described nanny, a stranger, that there are tens of thousands of video featuring children.
And she says this nine days prior to going public.
We bring the video to the attorney general and we ask for comment, Owen, and they said, well, I want to know exactly what you know, O'Keefe.
That's what they said to me.
I said, well, you know, if you're a reporter, it's like, do you really want to tell them exactly what you know?
So I was like, well, you know what?
Okay, fine.
So I send them all the quotes.
And then literally right after that, they go to the White House and they go say exactly what I sent them.
So the question I have is why was this information shared to people in restaurants before it was given to the American people?
It's probably not a good look.
owen shroyer
Well, the whole thing has been a bad look.
And when I think about it, if you zoom in on your story where Bondi is saying that, it's like, okay, there's clearly a desire somewhere to get to the bottom of this.
james okeefe
That's April 28th.
That was nine days before she said the exact same thing at the White House on May 7th.
owen shroyer
So there's clearly a desire with agents inside of these government engineers.
unidentified
Correct.
james okeefe
Yes.
Yeah, that's a good point.
They actually do believe that there's a story there.
You're right.
But they'll only say it privately.
That's interesting.
They don't want to say it.
But my point is just, if you're going to be in the Department of Justice, you have a responsibility to, frankly, you do need to keep secrets if you're in a criminal investigator, if you're an intelligence agent.
You can't be blabbing about these things in public.
And if you're going to blab, then you might as well blab about it in a microphone.
If you're going to blab about it, you might as well be consistent.
owen shroyer
She's the one that wrote on the binder, most transparent administration ever.
james okeefe
Yeah, this was not handled well.
And I don't think there's any good outcome here.
I don't, I don't, and oh, and even if they do provide, take away the redactions, I don't think it's going to satisfy people because people are going to wonder what's behind the remaining redactions.
So we're in a tough spot.
owen shroyer
No, you have to have arrests, period.
You have to have deep state arrests.
You have to have trials.
james okeefe
I think you need to have arrests.
And I don't have a lot of faith that'll happen by the way.
owen shroyer
I have 100%.
james okeefe
I don't have faith in that.
I do have faith in something else.
I think that, because you've been arrested, I've been arrested.
People like reporters are arrested.
I have faith that the truth will come out.
Just like the Bondi restaurant recording on the FBI agent last weekend.
I think that when there's so many lies, I think that people on the inside, you're going to have a ballsy guy like an Ed Snowden or something like that, and they're going to have all this data and they're going to dump it or they're going to go public.
And they're going to, by the way, they're going to get crucified.
Sorry.
owen shroyer
Yeah, they'll be fleeing.
james okeefe
They'll literally be killed, crucified, end up in a hole like Julian Assange, flee the country, then they'll be called a traitor.
I mean, you know the drill.
The life will be destroyed.
Their pension will be destroyed.
But I do think that times are changing.
And I think that that truth is going to come out.
It might not lead to arrests, but we'll know the truth.
I believe that.
owen shroyer
You know, here's another angle I don't really hear too much chatter about.
I haven't really brought it up too much, but we do know for a fact.
I don't know, Did you, was there anything that you saw in the Epstein Island mansion as far as like videotapes and recording devices?
james okeefe
No.
owen shroyer
So that came out in the Florida case.
That is, Florida Mansion had, it was all wired.
It all had video, audio recording, everything.
So Bonnie comes out and she talks about, well, it's all this, you know, it's all this, these, these kiddie porn videos.
So, you know, the whole thing is so sorted, but it's like, the question here is obvious then, you know, if Epstein is raping kids, which we know he was already convicted of the, well, the plea agreement in Florida with the minors, then the question is obvious, where is he getting the kids?
james okeefe
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Like, where are the kids coming from?
james okeefe
You can't do all this alone.
And, and, the, and the DOJ last Wednesday putting out that memo saying, there is no evidence.
Anytime I hear the words, there's no evidence, I immediately have red flags because there's always a story.
Now, it may not be the story that your audience wants.
The only thing I'll say is this might not, because our imaginations tend to conjure up, right, all these hypotheticals, but they're definitely, to your point, you can't do all that activity without having a co-criminal.
And so I, we shall see.
owen shroyer
Now, when you were, let me ask you another question.
When you were arrested going through your legal stuff, were those federal charges?
james okeefe
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Did they take it?
james okeefe
Multiple times.
owen shroyer
Did they take your passport?
james okeefe
In 2010, when I was arrested by the FBI, I'd lost my passport.
So there was no passport for them to take.
owen shroyer
But they wanted to take it.
Yes.
So part of your deal at that time was you couldn't travel.
unidentified
Correct.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
james okeefe
So I was on federal probation for three years.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
So I went through the same thing.
Did you know when Epstein got charged and he was waiting trial, do you know he got to leave and go to Israel and stay there?
james okeefe
I didn't know that.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
And I'm just sitting here because a lot of people, I see a lot of people covering this and they've just never been through the federal system like you or I have.
So they don't have that experience.
james okeefe
How many days did you spend in jail?
How long were you in there for?
owen shroyer
Well, on my actual sentence, I spent, it didn't end up being the full 60, but the sentence was 60 days.
I was arrested four times.
I was arrested on four different occasions.
james okeefe
Four different times related to the same cause of action or same?
owen shroyer
Four different times for politics.
But obviously the final sentence was they just kind of combined it.
What was the final sentence, the crime that they misdemeanor trespassing, standing on government property?
james okeefe
Okay, mine was a misdemeanor entry by false pretense.
This is a long time ago.
owen shroyer
So both misdemeanor, lesser trespassing.
james okeefe
Class B misdemeanor.
Yeah.
But when you're an enemy of the state, they tend to.
Yeah, so yeah, people don't realize how it works.
They take your passport.
owen shroyer
You get the travel ban.
james okeefe
I mean, I couldn't leave without permission from a judge, a U.S. attorney, a probation officer.
owen shroyer
How much did they did they do the drug test on you too?
james okeefe
I had to go to Patterson, New Jersey and go to, this is horrible.
And I had to do drug tests.
I don't do drugs, but all the time.
owen shroyer
Yeah, I never had any drug charges.
They drug test me every month.
james okeefe
Every month, randomly.
And they'd come to my house with like a home visits?
Like a caravan of black SUVs.
owen shroyer
They got the gloves on.
james okeefe
And my father was like, what the hell is wrong with you people?
Like, you've got criminals on Wall Street.
Like, why are you harassing my son for three years over a misdemeanor?
And I can kind of tell by the people that were doing this that they kind of were following orders.
They didn't like it.
And the FBI agents in my home, too.
owen shroyer
I think after, I would say I had a similar experience.
It was like after the first couple of times, they kind of felt bad to an extent.
They felt like, yeah, this is unnecessary.
james okeefe
But the honest ones will say, I've got my pension.
I got my house in the Poconos.
I make a buck $30 a year.
I don't want to shake the hornet's nest.
And that's just how people are.
And the recent FBI thing with me with the, they did close the case this year.
This is the Ashley Biden diary thing.
And the Trump.
owen shroyer
That's a wild one.
james okeefe
That's a crazy story I've told so many times.
owen shroyer
We don't have to get back anyway.
james okeefe
No, but the point of it related to Epstein is when you, for those of you who are not familiar with criminal procedure, it's very rare for the Southern District of New York, which is the Epstein case, it's very rare for them to close a case.
That very, really happens in SDNY.
It's a lot of egg on the prosecutor's faces.
So in my deal, they admitted there was no crime, which is highly unusual for the FBI to execute a warrant, a search warrant, raid your stuff, take your property, and then four years later close the case.
But what's interesting is that they released the probable cause.
When they admit that they have nothing, the law says you must release the affidavit.
And they redacted every word, every word of the problem.
owen shroyer
The whole thing.
james okeefe
The entire section.
owen shroyer
So wait, but not even your legal team can get the document unredacted?
james okeefe
No, the only way to get it is I have to sue the Department of Justice.
I have to go to the judge.
I have to spend all this money.
And I am going to do that.
owen shroyer
That's crazy.
james okeefe
This is so crazy that the American Civil Liberties Union, a left-wing group, and the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, which includes Wolf Blitzer and Andrew Mitchell, these are not friends of yours.
owen shroyer
Oh, nice.
Very high integrity.
james okeefe
Or mine.
Are filing amicus in my case to get this thing unredacted.
Because think of it this way.
If the FBI is going to raid a newsroom, we got to know why.
Like, what do you got?
Like, what is the probable cause?
But the point is, and I think it goes back to Epstein, is that if the FBI is using confidential informants and they're making stuff up, then to reveal this, to your point, the whole thing would collapse.
The whole system would collapse.
They are showing their cards.
They're showing, so you're asking the FBI to incriminate itself.
These institutions are all about self-preservation.
It's not even the child traffickers and the people that are blackmailed.
It's just the system and the way they operate.
You're asking it to indict itself.
And these systems are about preserving themselves.
So in my case, my personal case, it's a constitutional crisis because it's like, whoa, you're going to start raiding newsrooms in America.
You better tell us why.
Merrick Garland expressly forbids raiding newsrooms.
owen shroyer
And Obama actually passed that law where you actually have to go through extra steps to go after a journalist.
james okeefe
But they just don't care.
owen shroyer
No, they don't.
james okeefe
The prosecutor in New York said, well, Keith's not a journalist.
owen shroyer
That's what they did to me.
james okeefe
What did they do in your case?
owen shroyer
Exact same thing.
Actually, there was a magistrate Judge in D.C., Judge Faruqi, when they first indicted me, he actually scolded the DOJ and he said, Hold on a second, you didn't go through the law.
So the judge basically said, You illegally indicted a journalist.
So they just came back with the exact same excuse and said, Oh, he's not a journalist.
james okeefe
It's like animal farm.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
It's Orwellian strategy.
But the point is, in my case, the prosecutors were like, Well, Keith's not a journalist.
The federal judge, why is he not a journalist?
And the U.S. Attorney said, because he secretly records people.
And the attorneys were like, well, but Mike Wallace did that.
I mean, Diane Sawyer did that.
owen shroyer
I mean, Isn't that the craziest part when you're sitting in the courtroom and you're watching these prosecutors spewing?
james okeefe
I actually, what people need to understand, I think federal courts are the, this is not saying much, but I think Article III, meaning federal judges, are the least corrupt aspects of America because you still have some semblance of a First Amendment in this country.
It's very difficult in federal court to make these arguments.
So yeah, when you're sitting there and you're watching this stuff, it's surreal for you, surreal for me.
But the judge, the federal judge in my case recently said, counselor, I'm limited by reality, common sense, and the Constitution.
So it's refreshing to me.
owen shroyer
All right, James O'Keefe in studio.
We take a quick break.
unidentified
We'll be right back.
owen shroyer
James O'Keefe in studio, O'Keefe Media Group.
Honestly, you guys are working on so much stuff right now, it's hard for me to even keep up.
james okeefe
Yeah, we're putting out more work than we did at Project Veritas.
We're doing two reports a week.
We just did Johnson and Johnson this week.
We did the FBI sting, State Department, Pentagon, deep state guys behaving badly, fired every week.
We're putting out a lot of material, and you know, there's so much to talk about.
Where do you want to begin?
owen shroyer
Well, I would like to talk about the new series you're doing, but maybe before we get into that, because you do a lot of deep state exposures, I can't even imagine your frustration.
But I get frustrated, I play your clips, I see the stuff they admit to your team, and I'm like, okay, where is the follow-up?
Where are the investigations?
Where are the hearings?
Do you ever, do you toss and turn wondering, like, why?
james okeefe
It's a good question.
It's certainly the audience feels that righteous indignation that nothing happens to these people.
Like, literally, I mean, we just talked about this.
Stuff happens to us, but not to these people.
And I can't, but I can't control that.
There's only so much I can do.
I mean, I think journalism is supposed to lead to consequences.
And otherwise, you're pissing into the wind, you know, is the old saying.
But all I can do is put the truth out there.
But I think my pieces are not for people who agree with me.
They're not necessarily for the audience watching this show.
It's to persuade people on the margins that, like this Johnson & Johnson piece, where the director of the lead regulatory sciences actually says the vaccine is not safe or effective.
owen shroyer
I mean, that's literally bombshell.
james okeefe
That's crazy.
Now, this did not get as much play in the past.
I don't think these videos, they're not getting as much.
Ten years ago, it was like they would make mainstream media.
But I'm trying to persuade people who don't know this or who don't assume this.
Because a lot of people tell me, we already know this.
We want blood.
owen shroyer
Well, it's one thing for me to come out here and say, hey, the vaccine is unsafe.
And then it's another thing for you to actually get the guy on it.
james okeefe
Say them saying it.
The Johnson & Johnson lead regulatory scientist saying he's responsible for making sure the products are safe for their customers.
owen shroyer
And that's at least three guys you caught up with.
james okeefe
Oh, we've done like 12.
The FDA guy saying it was a revolving door.
Today, there's the baby powder cover up.
This is today's story.
owen shroyer
Again with the baby powder?
james okeefe
Yes.
This is him saying that it's not safe.
And it's to your point, it's not us saying it, it's them saying it.
But I think people, your audience, and I hope I speak for most of you because you told me this, they just want blood.
They want rightfully so.
I think they want hangings, executions.
owen shroyer
Politically.
Politically.
james okeefe
Well, you know what I mean?
The criminal justice system, you want justice.
You want political justice, not revenge, but I think people want accountability, right?
Political accountability.
owen shroyer
You know what?
That's such an astute thing for you to say because maybe this is where the Trump administration is just completely missing the ball.
It's like, that's it.
There's this pressure cooker building up.
It's been building up.
Really, you could say since at least 2016, but it's beyond that.
But let's just say since 2016 with everything that was done to Trump, it's like we're in this political pressure cooker and the pressure just keeps getting turned up.
And it's like the only thing that's going to release this is actually arresting the deep state.
james okeefe
What's happened to me is people say, oh, Keith, we already know that.
I mean, obviously, well, not really.
I mean, you might suspect it, but to see the guy inside the Pentagon say, we're working with retired generals to see what we can do regarding Trump, that's bombshell.
The fact that there's people in our own government who are trying to unsurp or be insubordinate, that's insurrect, dare I say?
Exactly.
But I think when I see my own, I've seen this recently.
My own audience is like, we already know.
We don't need to know.
But I think the audience is missing something.
I think you know, but this country is deeply divided.
We can all agree upon that.
I mean, they voted for Gavin Newsom in California.
So, I mean, this country is deeply divided, and we don't all agree upon the facts.
And they want our blood, right?
And we want them to be in jail.
They want us to be in jail.
But that's no way of governing.
James Madison warned us about that in Federalist 10.
So we have to have some shared consensus about reality.
That's why I do this.
I want people to know the reality.
And the reality is that the vaccine, in their own words, was not safe or effective.
You might know that, but it's still important to prove it.
And, oh, and, you know, we're doing more work than we've ever done.
I mean, we have a smaller team.
We don't have 75 people.
We have 25 people.
owen shroyer
Is it growing?
james okeefe
Oh, yeah.
But slowly.
And the mistake that I made, and we've all made this mistake, is, you know, you got to be real careful who's in your inner circle now.
And we have to have absolutely unbreakable people.
It takes a lot of strength.
And the report that we did on Prince Andrew, the one that blew up, I said I was scared.
My undercover reporter was in fact scared.
She recorded Prince Andrew's guy saying he's raped little children.
And he admitted that.
And it gave us a lot of pause.
I was concerned.
And I went dark for two weeks.
I didn't tweet.
The individual who recorded that, initially, there he is, John Bryan, Prince Andrew.
The individual who recorded that hesitated to publish that.
And I had to talk to them and I said, listen, this is going to inspire a lot of people.
And as a result of publishing that story, we had the Epstein Island photos come to us.
So this is very heavy stuff.
And I think you have to really have an incredibly strong, tight team where people are not going to betray each other.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
Well, and I know that just from the 10 years I've worked here, but even for Alex, it's like that's such a crucial thing too, just to have a crew here, which what we do is obviously different.
But it's like even with just a live show, like what Alex does, you got to make sure everybody's moving the same direction.
And, you know, I was going to ask you this earlier, and I guess it kind of ties into what you just said.
And it's a psychology issue.
And it sounds like maybe that was the first time where you were kind of looking at your own approach to this and saying, wait, hold on.
Because the way I look at it with certain things, it's like you always just move forward, right?
It's just, you only go one direction and forward.
You can't sit here and deal with the past or deal with stuff that's on, you know, outside of your lines.
So you just keep moving forward.
It's like that's a psychology, just forward, forward, forward.
And it sounds like for you, it was like, that was the first time in a while, or maybe, you know, since you've kind of been such a pro in this, we were kind of like, wait a second, maybe we need to just stop.
james okeefe
With the Epstein stuff, that Prince Andrew thing?
I think it was the spiritual heaviness.
I was talking to Alex Jones about this today, which I just came from that room.
It was like, whoa, this is heavy.
Because I told Alex that the more successful you are at your job, like, okay, I'm going to bust Prince Andrew.
Hell, I'm going to bust the job.
Can you imagine if we actually, don't imagine, hopefully we will, get the real truth and we publish it?
Do you know how much of an enemy that will make us?
Like, we become the target.
And I think, unless you're a sociopath, it has to bring you some sense of pause.
Like, whoa, what am I getting myself involved in?
owen shroyer
Yeah.
james okeefe
I mean, unless you're, something's wrong with you.
I think I got a lot of flack for saying how I felt at the time.
People thought it was insincere.
Okay.
People thought I was being melodramatic.
But I genuinely sometimes go, this is a little bit crazy to do these stories.
You guys had something up a moment ago.
It was the Piers Morgan.
If you want to pull that up, you can see John Bryan.
This is the guy that worked for Prince Andrew.
It was his comms director, his chief of staff guy.
And he goes on Piers Morgan.
And there it is.
This is the John guy, Piers Morgan's interviewing Prince Andrew's guy, saying Prince Andrew was banging underage girls.
Now then he goes on Piers Morgan.
Do you have the video on that page?
This is one of the most remarkable things I've ever seen.
The guy goes on, Piers Morgan, to his credit, is defending the report, saying, what are you doing admitting this?
And the guy, John Bryan, who's recorded, goes, they got me.
They got me.
They're really talented undercover people.
It was one of the few times, Owen, I've ever seen a subject of our investigation just admit to it.
Usually they like deny it.
owen shroyer
Or they run away.
james okeefe
They run.
They smash the.
owen shroyer
We've seen plenty of that.
james okeefe
So it was interesting.
Interesting.
This guy admitted it.
He said what he said, and it was true.
So A lot more to say about that, but the British royal family there.
owen shroyer
Well, here's why, and I don't know if this was your thought process when you were kind of giving it a pause and kind of going through your own emotions about it.
It's like, okay, I have a wild imagination, let's say.
I'm a conspiracy theorist.
So I'm just looking at all the Epstein evidence.
Okay.
I'm looking at all the money coming in.
I'm looking at all the rich people he's working with, whatever.
I'm looking at the sweetheart deals, spiking cases, all this stuff.
And I'm looking at the island.
unidentified
Okay.
owen shroyer
And it's like, wow, gee, this guy looks like multiple double agent intelligence asset.
He's a pedophile.
You know, is that something these guys all have in common?
You know, it's well known now.
Okay.
He likes younger girls.
And then you get that video.
And it's like, okay, here's a guy who saw something who was there saying, yeah, they're in there having sex with minors.
This guy's working with Epstein.
So it's just like, okay, bing.
It's like, do you really think Prince Andrew was the only one?
I'm not asking you that.
I'm saying, just, you know, it's a rhetorical question.
james okeefe
And your point is well taken.
It's common sense.
You can't do this behavior.
Even this guy, John, apparently knows about it.
The guy that worked.
You're going to have co-conspirators.
You're going to have evidence.
But to suggest there's no evidence is, I mean, when I was on the turning point main stage last weekend, I asked.
owen shroyer
That was a wild event.
james okeefe
Were you there?
owen shroyer
No.
james okeefe
I have never seen anything like it in the sense that I've never seen the conservative movement so fractured.
owen shroyer
That was a turning point.
james okeefe
No, Charlie's a friend of mine.
I've been doing these turning point things for 10 years.
And I got on stage.
And I swear to you, I said, you know, that DOJ one page they put out where they say there's no evidence, no one did anything wrong.
And, you know, I put that up.
I said, by show of hands, how many people think that they're lying?
Every hand went up.
And I was like, I've never seen the fracturing of the MAGA.
I mean, the media always talks about it, but no, no, no.
owen shroyer
No, this is real.
It's real.
james okeefe
This was crazy.
And I go back to the Pam Bonnie story.
really hesitated to do that story because, what is this, Jeffrey Epstein appear to threaten Bill Gates over Michael...
owen shroyer
So that's what that's.
james okeefe
Was that the Wall Street Journal?
Was that today's story?
owen shroyer
Yeah, it looked like it.
No, that was 2020.
james okeefe
What is your reaction to this Wall Street Journal thing they do?
owen shroyer
I think it's all a distraction.
james okeefe
Yeah.
owen shroyer
I think it's a distraction.
And if you look at it, because you understand media, so you kind of look at it from a bigger picture type of thing.
Why is it that News Corp, both owned by Murdoch, it's like they have the New York Post saying, don't look at this, and then you have the Wall Street Journal saying, look at this.
So to me, it's a giant psyop.
It's a distraction to stop you from actually looking at Epstein.
james okeefe
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Which everybody wants to know.
You were just getting into it.
You're at this event.
That was probably the most relevant turning point USA event that I've ever seen in my 10 years in media covering these things.
They do multiple ones every year.
That was the most clipped out, the most epic speeches, the most like, okay, here's where the base is at.
And so there's no denying it at this point.
james okeefe
And before we get to this clip, I just think this is a very sublime moment, which we'll show in a moment.
But I was struck by how you can measure the health of a republic and democracy.
We're a democracy republic by whether people feel comfortable with saying the quiet part out loud.
That's how you measure the health of that.
And I think we would both agree that five, six years ago, people were not comfortable saying these things they're now saying.
owen shroyer
I'd say that's a very fair.
james okeefe
Including on the vaccine.
I mean, people were afraid of being banned on YouTube.
And now it's like, oh yeah, common knowledge.
I didn't get the job.
And I think people are more comfortable.
So let's have an optimistic tone here for a moment and recognize that the turning point event, people were really, they're going there.
They're saying it.
And credit to Charlie for allowing people to disagree and to do so.
But this clip here, can we play this?
This is here is drilling the guy that we secretly recorded saying that Prince Andrew is having sex with underage girls.
piers morgan
I mean, do you 100% believe Andrew when he says he didn't have sex with Virginia Duffrey?
john bryan
I don't think, I think, let me say it this way.
Not only do I 100% believe him, but I absolutely know in my heart that it's not true.
james okeefe
Oh, but this is the man.
This isn't the part.
It's a different part of the interview where he's talking about the girl and being recorded and he said what he said, but we'll try to pull it up.
But that was John Bryan who worked for Prince Andrew going on with Piers Morgan.
And I think he's on drugs, by the way.
owen shroyer
He does have a weird look.
james okeefe
Yeah.
owen shroyer
It could just be the skinless deal.
james okeefe
No, I think it's, I'm pretty, I can report to you today that the man is he likes drugs.
owen shroyer
Well, I guess, you know, you got to do something to put up with whatever you're doing running around with Prince Andrew and what you're witnessing.
james okeefe
It's hard to sleep with yourself.
There's this one clip where I think I'm in the video.
I'm looking at the I'm looking at the I'm watching them talk to each other.
If the producers can find that, it's on our YouTube O'Keefe Media channel.
But the Prince Andrew stuff was, it gave us pause.
And we're in one of those professions where the more successful that we are at our jobs, the worse it becomes for us.
Because look at the scandal.
There's either no story with Epstein, or at least not what they tell us.
It's not as big as what they tell us.
Or the scandal is such that it could theoretically bring down the entire U.S. government.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
And not just, I mean, we're talking the billion, we're talking dozens of billionaires.
We're talking multiple intelligence agencies.
james okeefe
It implicates big people.
And if you show the truth, those organs, those bureaus, those institutions, those government institutions now have to try to destroy the messenger.
So what we really have to conquer in this country is fear.
And they will destroy the messenger.
There's no question about it.
The only way they don't destroy the messenger is if we all kind of rise together.
And that's why I think the turning point, you're right.
That was a turning point.
We all rise together, stand up, say the same thing.
We're not afraid.
Now the president has come out and Is this the clip?
This might be it.
owen shroyer
Shadow of Ezra clip.
james okeefe
He must have taken it off our YouTube.
owen shroyer
Let's give it a shot.
Yeah, go ahead.
Give it a shot.
Do we, no?
Okay, it's not working.
We'll see if we can figure that out.
On that point, not only was the Turning Point USA kind of just like a moment in time, let's say, because that's considered mainstream conservatism, right?
I mean, that's mainstream Republican conservatism like, yeah, this is a safe place for all conservatives to come just chatter about the same stuff.
That was the first time where it was like leaning towards like, we're kind of anti-establishment.
We're kind of like tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists now.
It's like it's only, and that's, I guess my point is that it's only going one direction.
It's only going one direction.
It's not, we're not going back.
james okeefe
No, no, but when you have a big tent too, which, which, which this has happened in the conservative movement, certainly there's libertarian voices.
There's traditional voices.
The tent's gotten bigger.
I think you're going to see more fracturing within the tent.
My attacks in the beginning of my career were from the left.
And now, to the extent that I am attacked, it's from the parts within the right.
Maybe, you know what I mean?
owen shroyer
Well, I know very well what you mean.
That kind of has to deal with stuff we talked about off-air.
james okeefe
Correct.
You're attacked from within.
And that's happening more and more.
And look at the other thing that's happened is that I think the rise of the individual.
So before it was like a collection of people, Glenn Greenwald joined that.
I forgot the name of the outfit that he was working with.
You had Tucker Carlson on Fox News.
You had Megan Kelly on Fox News.
And now everyone's kind of gone their individual way.
And I think it's hard for institutions to stay cohesive.
And what I saw was just the fracturing.
And even the Israel thing, it's a tough thing because you couldn't say that five years ago.
owen shroyer
It's mainstream now, though.
james okeefe
I mean, you couldn't.
owen shroyer
That's another thing.
That's only going one way.
james okeefe
You couldn't say.
I mean, you're going to have donors who are upset with these nonprofits for people saying that.
I'm not taking a position.
I'm just telling you the political reality, the political and economic reality, that there's a fracturing internally.
And certainly the attacks that I've weathered and Project Veritas firing me, I mean, that was, I mean, of all the things I've been through, I mean, that was by far the hardest and most discouraging and most disheartening thing.
And you understand betrayal.
It just hurts.
owen shroyer
You know, there's two aspects of what you're talking about that I think are important that I kind of want to just for you to maybe express a little bit more.
What I've noticed is, because you're just reporting facts, right?
james okeefe
Yes.
owen shroyer
Whether it's for the right, for the left, like it's not even that.
It's just, this is what it is, right?
It's just, this is what it is.
So what I've noticed now is that there's this certain segment, if we want to be specific, it's a certain segment of MAGA, let's say, but it could be any group.
It's just depending on the time.
There's always going to be a certain segment of a political body or movement that can't really do neutral news.
They want just what they want to hear.
Like they want nothing but Trump is the best ever.
And if you're not giving them that, then they backlash on you.
So I think, you know, I know I'm getting that right now.
And then another one, and again, we kind of talked about this off air, but I would kind of expand on a little bit.
I also get the feeling that a lot of it is being driven by, if I want to get real conspiratorial, a lot of it is getting driven by it's a paid operation.
It might be a foreign operation.
Literally, these people could be blackmailed for things that they've been caught doing on the internet.
I mean, because some of it's so wild.
And you look at some of these people and you're like, this behavior almost doesn't even make sense.
james okeefe
Yeah, I have names in mind, and I don't know if I should mention on the air, but I won't name names, but I'll give you, I can only speak from personal experience, and I think telling stories is the best way to get the message to people because it helps them understand.
There was an FBI agent who I won't name, former FBI, whatever that means.
Some say if you're with the CIA, you're always with the CIA.
And he published, he got access to my, my then-girlfriend and I were in a relationship and we were flirting sexually.
And he published all of my messages between my girlfriend.
And I mean, what in the world?
I mean, we all have relationships.
If you're married, I didn't wasn't cheating.
It was just a consensual relationship with my girlfriend.
And he published the most intimate things, you know, from our bedroom.
And every comment was, are you nuts, man?
Like, why are you going after James this way?
This makes you look bad, obviously.
And it led to questions.
And the question I have is, well, maybe they're doing that to try to get, you know, kind of get inside my head, right?
They're trying to wear you down.
They're trying to break you.
They're trying to, and any one of these things on its own isn't that big of a deal.
But it's kind of like, like you're saying, it's kind of like an op.
Like, let's just like hurt this guy.
Let's remove him from his company.
Let's publish his private messages.
Let's raid his apartment.
Let's put him in prison.
Let's recruit people to sue him.
And I think the op is, and a lot of the comments on X, let's be real, are not real people.
owen shroyer
Or they're just like copy and paste essentially.
james okeefe
Or that, or they're an opportunity.
owen shroyer
I guess that's a good way for me to kind of rephrase it.
It's like when you've been doing what you've done enough, and not just in the media, but I mean, just in the political world, just being in the political world, beyond just the media, it's like you start to have a little discernment and you can kind of determine.
It's like, okay, this over here is organic, right?
This person over here, this group over here, this is organic.
Okay.
But then it's like this over here, this is not organic.
james okeefe
That's right.
And that's exactly, that's exactly.
Do you find that it's becoming more easier to discern that for you?
owen shroyer
Yeah.
Well, I think through time and experience, your discernment gets a little better.
But specifically in this moment, I feel it's so bifurcated that it's like the ops are just so obvious now.
It's like the ops are just so obvious.
It's not even subtle.
james okeefe
Yeah, yeah.
I've been through a few of those myself, and it goes back to full circle Depstein regarding the confidential sources and methods.
That's the quote.
We protect our sources and methods.
Maybe it's time for us to reveal the FBI's sources and methods.
But if you're Cash Patel, very good man, I believe him to be a good man.
I've met him.
I don't know him very deeply, but I have no reason to believe he's not a good man.
But if I put you as ahead of the FBI and I believe you to be a good man, I think you would fail.
Not because you're not a good man and not because you can't lead it, but it stands to reason that how are you supposed to lead a bureaucracy which is so filled with evil?
owen shroyer
And has no trust.
james okeefe
And has no trust and no integrity.
owen shroyer
I'd shut it down.
So I guess that might be a failure.
I don't know, but I'd just shut it.
I'd say we're done.
james okeefe
Wasn't he going to move it to Nebraska?
owen shroyer
Well, he talked about shutting it down too.
No, well, he said they were going to move it out of the building.
Then they ended up getting a bigger building, more expensive.
james okeefe
You know, the IRS commissioner said to me.
owen shroyer
He wants a new jet now.
There's a lot of stuff there.
james okeefe
That one, I don't know if I would, you know, that's kind of not the biggest issue.
I think the IRS commissioner said to me something to the effect, if you only get to hire four people, you have 80,000 employees, you get to hire four people.
So you're telling me that I'm going to come into a shop with 80,000 people, 40% of whom are trying to subvert me and, you know, betray me.
I mean, this is a tautology.
You can't have an effective governing strategy.
Now, I don't care who you are.
You're Pam Bonnie.
She may not be as bad as people think.
Cash Patel may not be a bad guy, but you can't go in there and run the agency.
So maybe it's time for us to reveal some of these confidential methods that they're using for the good of society.
And no one has been arrested, right?
No one in the deep state has been held accountable yet.
owen shroyer
Nobody.
And I think that that's why, so that's part of the political pressure cooker.
No deep state arrests.
But when you talk about maybe it's time to reveal, they're obviously not ready for that time.
And that's why they're trying to cover this Epstein deal up.
james okeefe
Well said.
I'd love to talk to you about that TV series we're doing.
owen shroyer
Yeah, let's do that on the other side of this break.
And also, we'll finally play the clip that I'm sure you get a lot of pleasure out of when at least he admits it.
james okeefe
I think one of only three times in my career, a guy has come out and said, you got me.
I said it.
Maybe it's because he's on drugs.
I don't know.
owen shroyer
Well, maybe we can do an analysis of his body language of this short break.
He definitely has a really hyped up look, but some people are just hyper people.
I think, I don't know, he kind of looks like a Siamese cat.
I think it's the same thing.
james okeefe
Yeah, let's play that.
You started playing it now.
unidentified
Yeah, we'll play it.
owen shroyer
We're up against a short break here.
We'll be right back.
We'll play that clip and talk about your new series.
This just broke.
The Justice Department asked court to unseal Epstein grand jury records, so they're doing it at the end of the workday, so you're not going to get it today.
But they did do it today.
Bondi said they'd do it today, so they have officially done that.
We'll see when we get them or what the judge even allows us to get.
We'll follow up with that in a second.
I want to let James talk about his new series coming up, but let's give you the satisfaction of the guy you caught on camera admitting it.
You got it.
james okeefe
I always find reality to be absurd and ironic.
This is John Bryan, who worked with Prince Andrew.
John Bryan was caught on a hidden camera saying that Prince Andrew bangs underage girls.
Pierris Morgan is grilling him about it.
And I hope this is the right clip.
john bryan
Let's see.
Well, the Sting video is very interesting.
I think O'Keeffe Media is genius in certain ways.
The woman that I met was spectacular.
She was interesting, fun, bright, a great actress.
Let me know what I'm talking about.
Say what you really think.
Say what you really think.
If I was a producer or a director, she was not.
Just say it.
james okeefe
He's complimenting the woman who is a drink.
Here is just going to grill him here.
But what you said.
john bryan
I think that part of the reason that I was saying these things is I had quite a lot to drink, and I just was not speaking the truth.
And I regret very much what I said, and none of it reflects what I actually believe.
james okeefe
Oh, is that right?
john bryan
And what I was saying was stuff that was basically you could Google anywhere in the world.
And I regret it sincerely and deeply.
james okeefe
Saying it.
piers morgan
I mean, the key part of what you were called on camera saying.
Are we going to be able to get what I'm about to play?
Let's just play it and then I'll ask you to play with it.
james okeefe
He plays the clip and it goes on.
piers morgan
We'll talk about Prince Andrew.
james okeefe
But anyway, we could start with it.
owen shroyer
Maybe we can fast forward.
I know you got a new series coming up.
Alex wants you to talk about the methylene blue.
james okeefe
Yeah, I just took it.
I took a lot of it, and I would say the effect on me was light sensations.
It was increased light perception.
That's what happened to you.
owen shroyer
The pixels of the world around you, the simulation?
james okeefe
Enhanced a little bit.
Enhancing my eyes when a light and I woke away.
It was just a bit of enhancement perception there.
owen shroyer
That was the.
We'll get that report back to Alex.
The new series, O'Keeffe Media Group, coming up.
james okeefe
So it's unified.tv.
We're partnering with UNIFYD.TV.
We have two episodes, one on the CIA, one on Disney.
Undercover work exposing Disney executives and taking you behind the scenes.
These executives were fired because they said they don't hire white people.
Crazy.
And the CIA official, there's a trailer there where the CIA official is withholding information from Donald Trump, bragging about breaking the law.
I think this is the trailer right here for the Disney one.
Let's play it.
Hear it.
Starlight, that's the code word for one of our undercover journalists and American Swipers, matched on the dating app Hinge and won on a hidden camera date with yet another Disney executive.
unidentified
We were the first people ever to get Disney employees to admit that they discriminate against people based on race.
owen shroyer
They wanted somebody in meetings who could appear a certain way.
unidentified
Do you think Bob Iger is corrupt?
No, yeah.
james okeefe
No way we're hiring a white helmet as well.
unidentified
I knew the story was going to be big.
We've investigated a lot of subjects.
owen shroyer
I'm starting to talk over the trailer.
You know what's kind of funny?
I mean, it's pretty obvious.
I'll say I'm making an assumption here, But it's pretty obvious you guys.
I don't even think it's intentional, but you catch a lot of gay men.
james okeefe
Yeah, certainly.
owen shroyer
And it's ironic because obviously they're specifically trying to hire gay men.
Like they're trying to have more gay men in there for the diversity thing, but then they end up blabbing.
james okeefe
Gays tend to be chattier.
This is not me.
This is politically incorrect.
Also in D.C., a lot of people are secretly gay.
And a lot of the dating apps.
owen shroyer
I think we might learn more about that soon, by the way.
unidentified
Yeah.
james okeefe
Well, there's that too.
But there's a lot of secret gays, and I'm not gay, but I'll take one for the team.
owen shroyer
Hold on.
I'm going to give you a chance to rephrase.
james okeefe
I'm just kidding.
To get this story, I'll go undercover and pretend to be gay.
But I think a lot of the, I've learned a lot about that.
You know, they tend to be more chatty.
owen shroyer
The gay honeypots are more powerful.
james okeefe
It's so funny.
It's so funny.
They're literally talking to James O'Keefe, telling me how bad this James O'Keefe guy is.
owen shroyer
It's some of your most brilliant work.
James O'Keefe, God love you, O'Keefe Media Group, big stuff coming up.
Make sure to follow him on X as well.
unidentified
Thank you.
jon bowne
The Pacific Palisades fire, which if the insane news cycle buried it from your memory, began on January 7th, 2025 and caused massive destruction across the Pacific Palisades, Topanga, and Malibu, with nearly every structure north of Sunset Boulevard in Pacific Palisades being obliterated, causing severe air pollution in Los Angeles.
The crisis was compounded by water supply issues as 20% of fire hydrants in the more elevated parts of Pacific Palisades ran dry.
The containment efforts reached only 8% by January 31st of 2025 after 24 days of battling and inferno that seven months later is still being investigated as arson.
In the aftermath, Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 549 into law.
This legislation grants Los Angeles County the authority to purchase fire-destroyed lots at minimal cost, a decision that directly contradicts Newsom's previous statements to homeowners that government-driven property conversions would not occur.
gavin newsom
I was just talking to Josh Green, the governor down in Hawaii, who had some ideas around some land use concerns he has around speculators coming in, buying up properties and the like.
So we're already working with our legal teams to move those things forward, and we'll be presenting those in a matter of days, not just weeks.
jon bowne
The bill mandates that from January 2026, 40% of the housing in affected areas must be affordable and it establishes a, quote, resilient rebuilding authority, end quote, that overrides local community decisions on rebuilding efforts.
This strips away local control, likely displacing original homeowners who don't fall under the criteria of Section 8 recipients and enables rezoning without their input.
spencer pratt
The people that are in charge of this bill, they're the people in charge of letting the whole town burn down.
Okay, you can say whatever you want, but all their decisions, all their negligence, all that, that's why we have no town in the Palestinians.
Why would we ever have them in charge of rebuilding what they let burn down?
jon bowne
With SB 549, the authority can buy back land and offer it first to original owners.
But if they cannot afford it, they lose their homes permanently, setting the table for Smart LA 2028, led by the city of Los Angeles's Information Technology Agency, a government technocracy that is building the 2028 Olympics on the charred remains of its citizens' homes.
ted ross
Technology enables the city of LA to efficiently and ethically improve the quality of life for our residents, businesses, and visitors.
In other words, when done right, technology makes us smarter.
That's why the city of Los Angeles strives to be a smart city.
And there's never been a more important time for Los Angeles to be smart than now, as we prepare to host the world in the 2028 Summer Olympics and Paralympics.
jon bowne
Meanwhile, the LA RISE's public outreach campaign launched by the survivors to support recovery efforts is undermined by Newsom's policy shifts, which prioritize government control over the restoration of homeowner rights and local autonomy.
traci park
What they're proposing is a separate government entity to be comprised of political appointees, not people elected by you, who would have centralized authority over construction permitting, development, land acquisition, and other key decisions that will shape the future of the Palisades.
jon bowne
In this brave new world, the people of Pacific Palisades are not rebuilding their lives.
They are being rebuilt by a government that ignored their cries for help and sees opportunity in their suffering, an opportunity with motive.
grant cardone
Just like California is being run by a criminal operation and the goal is the biggest land grab in the history of the United States of America.
jon bowne
But the question isn't whether this was planned.
It's whether the people of California will stand idly by as their homes, their rights, and their futures are consumed by the same fire that started it all.
Their time to take a stand is today and it isn't tomorrow.
John Bowne reporting for InfoWars.
alex jones
InfoWars.
robert f kennedy-jr
Hello, everyone.
This is your HHS Secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I want to speak to you today about a controversial issue that could directly impact you and your family during a global health emergency.
Last year, the World Health Organization's governing body made some far-reaching amendments to its international health regulations, otherwise known as the IHR regulations.
These regulations establish the legal framework that gives countries rights and responsibilities for managing public health events with global impact.
The deadline to reject these amendments is next week, and we are rejecting them.
So I'd like to explain to you why.
The first reason is national sovereignty.
Nations who accept the new regulations are signing over their power in health emergencies to an unelected international organization that could order lockdowns, travel restrictions, or any other measures that sees fit.
In fact, it doesn't even need to declare an emergency.
Potential public health risks are enough for it to initiate action.
If we're going to give the WHO that much power, we should at least invite a thorough public debate, especially since the agreement isn't an official treaty and it bypasses the U.S. Senate, which plays a key role in ensuring major international commitments receive proper democratic oversight.
To make matters worse, the new regulations employ extremely broad language that gives the WHO unprecedented power.
They require countries to establish systems of risk communications so that the WHO can implement unified public messaging globally.
That opens the door to the kind of narrative management and propaganda and censorship that we saw during the COVID pandemic.
We don't want to see that kind of system institutionalized even further.
The agreement also contains provisions about global systems of health IDs, vaccine passports, and a centralized medical database.
It lays the groundwork for global medical surveillance of every human being.
Maybe if the WHO were an infallible authority, untainted by industry influence, we would consider accepting the new regulations.
Unfortunately, the COVID pandemic demonstrated otherwise.
During COVID, the WHO failed to enforce the international health regulations that were already in place for generations.
China withheld critical information about the outbreak for at least a month and faced no real consequences or criticism from WHO.
As the 2024 Congressional Oversight Report put it, the WHO was misinformed, denied access to China, and used as a cover for the Chinese Communist Party's reckless action.
These and other atrocities make one thing clear.
We must strengthen national and local autonomy to hold global organizations in check and to restore a real balance of power.
Underneath all the bureaucratic language, what's at stake here is a vision for our future.
Are we going to be subjects to a technocratic control system that uses health risks and pandemic preparedness as a Trojan horse to curtail basic democratic freedoms?
Do we want a future where every person, every movement, every transaction, and every human body is under surveillance at all times?
Now, I don't want to be too alarmist.
The new regulations aren't in themselves medical totalitarianism.
In fact, they were perhaps written with good intentions, but they are definitely a step in the wrong direction.
That's why we're rejecting the amendments not only on behalf of our own citizens, but the whole world.
After all, America could simply ignore the WHO, but few other countries are as powerful as the United States.
Even though many of these amendments are phrased to be non-binding, as a practical matter, it's hard for many countries to resist them, especially when they are dependent on the WHO funding and its partnerships.
That's why we're taking leadership to stop an agreement that's bad for the entire world.
I want to be clear that in rejecting these amendments, President Trump and I are not rejecting international cooperation.
We can cooperate with other nations without jeopardizing our civil liberties, without undermining our Constitution, and without seeding away America's treasured sovereignty.
That's my commitment to you.
That's President Trump's commitment to you.
Thank you, and God bless you all, and God bless our country.
john bryan
Well, the Sting video is very interesting.
I think O'Keefe Media is genius in certain ways.
The woman that I met was spectacular.
She was interesting, fun, bright, a great actress, let's say.
She's putting on a role.
But if I was a producer or director, I'd be hiring her for any acting role.
And I think that part of the reason that I was apologies for the delayed return there.
owen shroyer
You had a John Bound report and then RFK Jr. talking about separating from the World Health Organization.
Apologize.
Having some conversations with James.
You can obviously imagine we needed to catch up and talk about some stuff.
So apologize for that.
But we're back here.
Final hour here of the InfoWars War Room.
We do have other news to cover, other video clips.
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Okay.
I do feel since it's Friday, I'd like to take some calls.
So we'll take a couple calls here and go through some of the remaining news here, guys.
Let's actually just reset the phone lines because they're already lighting up.
So this is people that have us on speed dial.
They got the Epstein phone on speed dial there.
It's got the info.
It's Friday.
It's early evening, guys.
All right.
Maybe we just all have a little just take a load off, if you will.
It's been a crazy week.
It's been a crazy week.
I don't think it gets any more normal next week either.
I don't think so.
I think it only goes weirder from here.
So just remember to enjoy life.
Always remember that.
Always remember to enjoy life.
unidentified
All right.
owen shroyer
Reset the phone lines, put the number on the screen, 877-789-2539.
877-789-2539.
Three witnesses, let's say witnesses, suspects, witnesses of the Biden Auto Pen scandal have now testified closed-door testimony in front of the House committees.
All three of them have pled the fifth throughout their entire testimony.
And now Comer is suggesting maybe it's time to get more in.
Well, what you need to do is you need to have the open testimony in front of the world, in front of Congress for the public to see.
And then maybe, you know, cut them some deal.
And you just say, look, you're exonerated from whatever you admit to here, but you're under oath.
You're going to answer these questions.
You're not going to plead the fifth.
The fact they're pleading the fifth, and look, this is the reality of our legal system, and it's a good thing.
Pleading the fifth does not make you guilty, and it shouldn't.
It doesn't, and it shouldn't.
So let's just be very clear about that.
unidentified
That's a good thing.
owen shroyer
But obviously, when you look at this deal, they all knew about the auto pen.
They all got their story straight.
They all had the quote from Joe Biden, oh, I signed off on it.
I knew what was going on.
That's probably all bold.
You know what?
And that's just what's so frustrating, really.
And I don't think it's going to change.
But it's just like, what did you think we expected?
Did you think that we won the election and we expected we're just going to sit here and wave pom-poms all day?
Did you expect that we won the election and you get in as Attorney General and now we're just going to sit here and suck our thumbs and watch you go on Fox News and prance around?
No.
And you delayed and delayed and delayed and now they got their AutoPen story straight.
And by the time you even question Biden about it, he won't even know what the hell day it is.
So it's just a complete disaster, man.
It's just been so bad.
It's really unfortunate.
You can say, hey, we're still in the first quarter.
You can still make the comeback.
But, you know, sometimes you're watching a game and by the end of the first quarter, you're like, yeah, this game's over.
This game's only going one way.
Only one result today.
Kind of has that feel.
Kind of has that feel.
But I anticipate you're going to see some major shakeups.
I mean, even today, you know what?
Let me tell you what's going to happen from experience.
So they delay this until the end of the day.
Justice Department asks court to unseal Epstein grand jury records.
So they intentionally delayed this till the end of the day strategically so that it gives them all weekend to figure out what they want to do because this is all just damage control.
And you already see the propaganda messengers now saying, oh, no matter what happens with this, they're not going to be happy.
Yeah, because we already know what's going to happen with this.
Nothing is going to be in it, folks.
Nothing is going to be in this.
And you're going to have lawyers that are going to be arguing to protect the co-conspirators because they already got the deal.
They already got the deal that the co-conspirators are protected.
So you're not going to get any names.
You're not going to get anything.
You'll get details about Epstein being a pervert, and that's it.
There's not going to be, this isn't going to implicate, they're going to make sure this doesn't implicate the deep state.
They're going to make sure this doesn't bring up any other names.
And I'm not sitting here saying I believe Democrats, but it's just like, you know, if a Democrat says, hey, there's water in the ocean, it's like, yeah, that's true.
Hey, you know, grass is green.
Grass is green.
So I see this being played off now.
It's just such a failure.
It's such an underappreciation, really, maybe beyond an underestimation of what the organic grassroots right-wing media is really all about and the influence that it has.
So I guess they really thought they could just blow us away, but it's not going to happen.
So do I believe it when the Democrats are going to come out and claim that the FBI is combing through every Epstein document to remove Trump's name?
I mean, I don't know.
But it's just like, I don't want to sit here and make it all about Trump.
I want Trump to be the president.
If Trump was really doing illegal things, then they would have already buried him with it.
But I see where it's going.
And the legacy on this route that we're on is this is the Epstein cover-up administration.
And it's just horrible mismanagement, horrible messaging.
But hey, whatever.
You don't want to listen to the people that are giving you the good advice.
You want to keep digging the hole even deeper than whatever.
By the way, Judicial Watch.
In fact, guys, we should pull this up.
Judicialwatchpetitions.org, they've just, and they've filed all types of legal action.
This gets back to the Fox News angle, actually.
Release the Epstein Records.
Act now.
And so you can sign this petition at Judicial Watch.
I suggest you go do it.
Judicialwatchpetitions.com to get the Epstein records.
But here's what Bondi has been doing.
They make sure Fox News gets all the exclusives.
So whatever Bondi is going to try to deliver in this wrapped, bowed up package, nice and shiny package, they're always going to try to give it to Fox first.
And Fox is always going to get the breaking story.
And it happened to us with a FOIA request.
It's happened to others.
So and now it's been going on with Judicial Watch and Tom Fitton.
So they were literally like working with Fox News.
It's just insane, man.
The whole thing is just crazy.
But that's what's going on.
By the way, I don't even want to get into it because I'm just sick of it, too.
The whole Israel issue.
So now the ambassador, Mike Huckabee, is, I mean, I think he's an honest man.
I think he's a good man.
He obviously does support Israel.
He's very pro-Israel, but he's also an honest man.
So he gets over there as the ambassador, and now he's been through it, and he's seen this war just continue to go on.
He's seen Netanyahu with like blood in his eyes, all over his hands.
And he's just like, what?
And now Israel's bombing churches and bombing Catholics and letting Christians get slaughtered.
They're toppling Syria.
They're about to take over part of Syria.
I mean, the whole thing is just...
So now Huckabee is coming out and sending messages back to America and telling Christians, do not come.
It is not safe for you here.
I mean, I don't even want to make a big case for it because everything ends up becoming like this totalitarian response where it's like, oh, look, here's a video of a Jewish guy or a group of Jews in Israel spitting on Christians.
And here they are attacking an Easter celebration.
And it's just like, that's not every Israeli, okay?
It's not.
But then that's what happens.
It's like people take the videos of them spitting on Christians and spitting on Jesus and all this.
And it's like, see, see, it's every Jew.
It's every Israeli.
It's like, no, that's a moment.
It might happen often, but that's not the whole deal.
But yeah, Huckabee says Israel is not welcome to Christians.
Just warning them not to come.
So obviously he's seen it too.
And then Marjorie Taylor Greene, after they bomb another Catholic church, they're bombing Damascus, all these holy Christian sites.
And Marjorie Taylor Greene says, okay, that's enough.
We're going to cut off funding to Israel until they stop blowing up Christian sites, until they stop attacking Catholics.
Maybe, you know, it'd be nice for them to stop killing everybody would be dice.
So she introduces the bill to stop the another $500 million of aid from going to Israel.
And then the vote happened today.
And it had six yays and 422 nays.
But hey, APAC has no influence over your Congress.
Right, guys?
I'm not sure.
I don't know if I've seen 422 votes for anything in the House.
Is that like a record for votes?
That might be a record.
So yeah, when it's for Israel, oh, you're getting every single vote.
500 million.
Doesn't matter how many Palestinians are dead.
Doesn't matter they're attacking five different countries.
Doesn't matter they're now blowing up Catholic churches.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Their AIPAC handlers called up and said, we know.
unidentified
You're voting for this.
owen shroyer
We're getting that 500 million.
unidentified
We got that.
they got it where to write seems like you're in nowhere Yep.
owen shroyer
Oh, yeah, we all know.
Well, actually, they'll send some of the Palestinians to Europe, but they really want to just put them all in Syria permanently now.
And then Israel take the Gaza Strip.
That's their plan.
And it's all going pretty well for them, I'd say.
I'd say it's all going pretty well.
You know, what's upsetting is because I'd just say let the Middle East handle their own business.
I just want nothing to do with it.
Let them deal with themselves.
Keep us out of it.
But it's very unfortunate now.
And I got a couple clips.
I'm not going to spend much time on this, but I've got these guys chasing around.
I guess they're hunting Jews.
They're running around hunting Jews, trying to beat Jews up at a park.
Then you've got Jewish guys running around threatening people that have a Palestine flag.
This is in America.
And I got a group of leftists running around waving Palestinian flags, burning Israel flags, burning American flags.
unidentified
I mean, it's just all, it's just all, it's just all sick.
owen shroyer
Now, that video is from Tel Aviv.
So the protests against Netanyahu and the war in Tel Aviv continue.
You don't see that in the Western media because they want you to think everybody supports it, but they don't.
I'm just sitting here saying this has consumed us now, and it's heartbreaking.
It's consumed America now, and it's not our deal.
It's not our fight.
It's not our country.
It's nowhere near us.
But it's exactly what I saw.
It's exactly what I predicted on October 8th.
I said, this is now going to be in your front yard and your backyard.
And now this Ancient millennia-old Holy War hatred is now going to consume our country, and now it has.
And it's really sad.
And it's really sad.
And now Christians really aren't even welcome in the area, but they work and then their money and everything goes to that area.
You're funding all sides of it, too.
It's just sick.
The whole thing is just sick.
But don't worry, they still own your Congress, so they're always going to get the support they need.
They're always going to get that.
No doubt about it.
And Ireland's about to get it, too.
So there's a big stand in Ireland to stop the Zionists from coming in and running their government like they do here.
And what do you know?
All the APAC-controlled congressmen put out the exact same message on X. These are American congressmen putting out the exact same message on X saying, Ireland better not do this.
Literally.
So you have all of the members of the U.S. Congress here telling Ireland, a foreign country, to support Israel, a foreign country.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Don't talk about AIPAC.
Let's go to the phone line.
Let's do that.
Let's see here.
Looks like we do have some new names on the list.
Let's go to Josh in New Mexico.
Josh, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
joshua in new mexico
Hey, Owen, can you hear me okay?
owen shroyer
Yes.
joshua in new mexico
Awesome.
Thanks for taking my call.
Hey, I just wanted to bring up a few points that I haven't really heard anyone else talk about with Trump.
And Epstein is kind of a different angle that, you know, throw out there and kind of let you guys war game a little bit if you want.
But, you know, I think Trump's really running the point on this thing.
I think he's been calling all the shots on it from the beginning.
And I think Pam Bondi's just merely doing whatever he says.
You know, that's why he interrupts her during the press conference.
That's why he's kind of, you know, directing everything.
And I think this is why Matt Gates wasn't in place in there because I don't think she would have went along with it.
And the reason why I think he's running this thing is because for two reasons.
I think, number one, I think there's a good possibility that he's got friends and people that he knows that are implicated in some way, possibly even family.
I don't know.
And the other thing, too, is I think he's also using it as a leverage and a bargaining piece with Israel because they are implicated because of the connection between Epstein, Maxwell, and Massad.
So I think he was using that as a bargaining piece against Israel for the ceasefire.
And so I think now that Israel is starting to stop.
owen shroyer
Go ahead.
joshua in new mexico
No, I'm just saying.
Now that I think that Israel is starting to ignore the ceasefire claims, and plus, between the pushback between the supporters, America, and the voice of the people and the media and stuff, he's now wanting to release the grand jury files when he should have just done that from the beginning.
I think he's aware of all this stuff.
I think he's just been playing his hand.
And here's the reason why I say that.
I think it's also connected to the Macron thing with Ukraine and Russia, right?
Like the claim of Candace Owens, where he wanted her to stop talking about Brigitte Macrone, you know, being a man.
So I think the way that Trump is looking at these things is, do we want World War III or do we just bury these stories?
You know, this could be the way that he's looking at it.
And I'm not saying I agree with it.
I'm just saying that's the only thing that really makes sense to me because there's not very many things that will make a rational man act irrational.
And, you know, lately he's been kind of acting a little bit irrational.
And not only that, but let's also look at the influence that not only Israel, but Netanyahu personally has not only with Trump and his cabinet, but also the clip of him in the press conference where he talks about how good of friends he's been with the Kushner family and how he stayed over at their house.
And then you look at what Kushner's, Jared's dad did, right, to his own sister who were going to testify against him in court.
I mean, that's the same move that, you know, an intelligence agent would do, you know, videotape someone with the prostitute and then send the tape to somebody.
In this case, it was his own sister.
So that just shows what kind of people these are.
They're sick.
So I'm just saying that's it.
And I think Trump's trying to do all these things, but it's like he's trying to make all these deals and he's trying to dance with the devil.
It's like he's trying to outdance the devil.
But the problem is, is when you dance with the devil, the devil picks the tune.
owen shroyer
Well, you're really, I don't mean this in an assaulting way, but you're kind of all over the map.
So it's hard for me to kind of cover all that ground.
I'll just say you've stated your piece.
You know, I kind of look at it like, you know, the one point you make is, and I've been saying this too, it's like the first time we've kind of seen Trump seem rattled or, you know, acting irrationally.
You know, I agree with that.
It seems to be the first time that we've ever kind of witnessed that.
So we're kind of dealing with that, but then also just looking at the different outcomes and saying, okay, what's going on?
joshua in new mexico
I mean, what he's dealing with behind the scenes, and that's the thing.
Whenever Netanyahu's directly tied to his family, like, obviously, Trump's not scared for his own life, but you never know, you know.
unidentified
I mean, they've tried to kill him multiple times.
joshua in new mexico
All I'm saying, well, no, I'm just saying that.
Yeah, they've tried to kill him.
So he's kind of like, you know, screw you.
I've been through the fire, but how's it going to be when someone affects his family, right?
If someone's like, hey, I'm not afraid to die, but you're like, okay, well, if you're not, what about your family?
What about your kids?
What about your grandkids?
You know, what about your wife?
You know what I mean?
So I just think there's a lot of...
owen shroyer
I got to take other calls, Josh.
I appreciate your call.
You know, because sometimes I look at politics when it's like, okay, well, what are we really dealing with here?
Is that another Trump sketch, guys, or is that real?
He made a money tree.
That's a nice one.
I like that.
He never draws, though.
You know, when I'm looking at it, oh, come on.
I think that's rolls of cash, but okay.
Yeah.
When I'm looking at something that doesn't make sense, and it's like I've done the full spectrum download analysis, and I'm like, okay, I still can't make sense of this, then you start to do the odds making.
And you say, what are the different outcome potentials and what has the highest odds?
And I just look at it, you talk about the recent developments, and I just look at it like, to me, the highest odds are one of the things you mentioned, which is for whatever reason, whether personal, family, you know, protect government, protect intelligence assets, protect somebody else, whatever.
To me, the highest odds with everything that we've gone through here, the highest odds is that the cover-up is on.
That's it.
That's just the highest odds to me.
And then I think the two other potentials competing are that, you know, virtual, some queue thing.
And I see these people posting it all the time.
I don't have this knowledge, folks.
And in case you haven't noticed, if you've been following this week, I mean, I tell you what's coming.
I have no knowledge of any secret plan.
Like, I know they're, it's like, I know they're about to do a story on this health.
I know they're about to do a story on Epstein.
I know they're about to go after Melania.
And then it's like, so I know what's coming.
I have no knowledge of some secret plan, some Q plan, and Trump's deconstructing all of it.
But hey, I'll say that's a potential.
I'd say that's probably the lowest potential.
So the highest potential is for whatever reason, there's a cover-up going on.
Second highest potential is we're just witnessing incompetence at this point.
There's just incompetence across the board.
And even the competent people that are in there, like let's say a Dan Bongino, who I think is competent, even it's like he gets in there and then it's just like, the thing is such a mess, what can you do?
So you just either pick the lowest hanging fruit or you just prioritize something like, okay, I'm going to go after, I'm going to try to do a drug bust or I'm going to bust up a local sex ring that we've discovered.
Or I'm going to go bust this bioterrorist from China that we just caught.
It's like, so things are just such a mess, you just say, okay, I'm just going to do this.
I'm just going to do that.
I can't.
It's just, so I think it's highest odds, cover up is on.
And then make of that, whatever you want, all kinds of different angles there.
Second highest odds, we're just witnessing incompetence.
And again, I can be complimentary of Trump all day long.
He certainly deserves it.
80 years old, incredible stamina, everything at 80, but it's just like he's still 80.
And what am I supposed to think when he says, oh, you know, James Comey doctored it with the Democrats.
Comey was the FBI director when you were president, and he was gone when Epstein got brought in.
So what does Comey have to do with any of this?
And if he's talking about Maureen Comey, then why did you just let her get away with all of this?
From Epstein to Maxwell to Diddy, if you knew it was Maureen Comey.
He says, oh, Epstein got brought in and died under Joe Biden.
No, that was you.
It's like, I don't think Trump is a liar, but is he just having a, is it a brain fart?
Let's just move on because we've got to take another calls.
We just went long with Josh.
Let's go to Dragon in Las Vegas.
Dragon, you're on the ear.
Go ahead.
ali in new york
Yeah, maybe Trump is in an hostage situation between national security.
owen shroyer
So that would be in my...
That's in the cover-up realm.
I throw that into the cover-up pie chart portion.
ali in new york
Yeah, because let's be honest, Jeffrey Epstein worked for some bad MFers.
So if they pull the trigger on the list, who knows what will happen to national security.
And then the deep state news, the mainstream media has been talking about World War III, New York City's a target, blah, blah, blah.
Oh, and did you know that Israel has a branch of the NYPD?
Like their own?
owen shroyer
Yeah, they have their own police department.
ali in new york
Why?
Why is our taxpayer money paying for police officers that belong to the NYPD?
owen shroyer
Well, now, I haven't done that much research.
Is it taxpayer money?
I thought it was like a private Jewish group that was doing that.
I didn't know.
Is it public?
ali in new york
If it's a New York police department, right?
owen shroyer
I don't think it's technically the New York Police Department.
I think it's a specialized security for synagogues and stuff.
ali in new york
I don't know.
It says NYPD.
So anyway.
owen shroyer
I'd have to do more research on that.
I didn't really, I don't live in New York City.
ali in new york
Mom Dami, he was brought up to the stage, by the way, to increase Eric Adams' overall perception to the world because his whole campaign was a shit show, excuse my language.
Like he hardly did anything right until Trump literally rammed the AR-15 up his ass.
So that was the only time Eric Adams started moving.
And then he became Trump's bitch boy, basically, right?
So now they bring in Mom Dami.
owen shroyer
Well, he had his own legal troubles that I think Trump helped get him out of.
ali in new york
Yeah, I mean, like, if you think about it, Mom Dami just came out of nowhere when the election started running.
Nobody knew who this guy was.
owen shroyer
Well, he didn't come out of nowhere.
He was involved in local New York politics.
So, I mean, he was in politics.
ali in new york
What was he known for?
owen shroyer
He was in an assemblyman, I believe, a state assemblyman.
ali in new york
He was a state assemblyman?
Oh, okay.
owen shroyer
Yeah, he didn't come from the bar top like AOC.
He was already involved in politics.
And he comes from a pretty affluential family as well.
unidentified
So that I guess he does have in common with AOC.
owen shroyer
Thank you for the call.
Let's go to John in New York.
John, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
john in new york
Thank you very much.
I'll be really quick.
There is a website in every state where if you check your name in the website, it's an unclaimed funds.
Unclaimed funds.
And if you Google the words, Google the words unclaimed funds, New York State, and put in Donald Trump's name, you'll see different members of his family, different company Names that the Trump family owns.
There are several pages, several pages owed to the Trump family.
And if you can get this message to Alex Jones to give the message to Donald Trump, I'm sure that Donald Trump has much more important things to take care of right now.
But it's still something I've been wanting to call up and tell you folks about for the last five years.
Anyway, next.
So that's unclaimed.
unidentified
You can put your own name in there, and believe it or not, you're not.
owen shroyer
Let's just move on.
john in new york
Okay.
We need to, like you guys have said it, and I'll just say it one time.
We need to see some indictments, some arrests, and legal action against the Democrats, three-letter government agencies, and anybody else that's committed treason against the people of the United States.
We also need to hear a little less Israel, Israel, Israel, in every single newscast since 1962 that I can remember.
You'd think that Israel is our 51st state.
We need less Israel and more USA.
Sick and tired of them holding the USA hostage financially and politically.
That's basically it.
owen shroyer
Yep.
Well, I think that that's now becoming a major conversation piece that you wouldn't really hear too much about, maybe on the outskirts of the left and the right.
But now it's mainstream.
It's mainstream left.
It's mainstream right.
And it shouldn't even be controversial to sit here and say, hey, I don't want to support a foreign country anymore.
And I specifically don't want to support a foreign country that's killing people almost every day.
It's really that simple.
I mean, so I don't even know.
But you know why it's controversial because, well, we don't need to go into the detail.
We all know what's going on with that.
Let's go to.
Yeah.
Yeah, let's just move on.
Let's go to, let's see, Craig in Ohio.
Craig, you're on the air.
unidentified
Go ahead.
craig in ohio
Yeah, first off, Owen, I truly just want to say I respect the work that you're doing.
What you're doing takes decent standballs.
You clearly had a good upbringing, so hats off to whoever's influenced your past.
The one other thing I want to add to that, Pie, is the technocracy, okay?
This technocracy under Trump's moving 10 times faster than it ever could under Kamala or even Klaus Schwab, right?
So what do I mean by that?
You know, this week we had the meeting in Pittsburgh where we had this huge convergence between the energy and the AI.
Doug Bergham was there, the Secretary of the Interior, and he was saying, this is really about energy to electricity to intelligence.
They're going to make a five gigawatt data center.
To give you reference on that, Denver's one gigawatt.
So somehow they're going to make a five gigawatt data center, okay, that's going to create some kind of an intelligence.
We see Sam Altman all over, you know, Oakla, small nuclear reactors.
You know, we could go on for hours on that.
The point is this, that, you know, the one thing I really want to talk about, you brought up some good points earlier with, you know, Epstein and Khashoggi and Bernil.
And the one thing we can't forget about with Khashoggi is Mohamed's installment, okay, his involvement there.
This goes all the way back to Max Fisher, okay, Max Fisher's endeavor in the energy space.
Max Fisher was the big influencer of Les Wexner.
Les Wexner is the big influencer of Jeffrey Epstein, clearly, right?
We see Luttnick connected to Epstein by way of all kinds of deals with real estate.
They were neighbors.
So, I mean, we've got a technocracy inside this administration.
It's hard to deny that.
You know, we sit there and we accept Scott Passent, who worked for Soros, and he's the best of the group so far.
I mean, he tells the line better than anybody.
You've got to remember, he worked with Stan Drunken Miller.
He worked with Soros to take down the British pound.
These people know what they're doing, right?
If they're going to take our system down, we've got the staff in place to take down the British pound.
owen shroyer
Well, that's why it's like, I just look at things.
And again, there's so many different angles to this.
It's like, oh, okay, I'll go hang out with Epstein and his guys.
There's always hot 20-year-olds around.
It's like, okay.
Or it's like, I'm going to go to the island because there's stuff I can do there that I can't do anywhere else.
And it's like, okay, those people, those are criminals.
Those are bad guys.
You know, immoral and illegal are two different things to me.
And then there's guys that probably aren't even into that stuff.
Like, you know, you talk about Lutnik.
Lutnik is probably just a business guy who likes making money.
Now, who knows what he knew or didn't know about Epstein?
But, you know, he's just a guy who's like, I make deals.
I make money.
Again, so there's all these different angles.
And that's why I'm just sitting here like, maybe we get a good economy.
I mean, maybe that's the deal.
It's like, all right, Trump's going to let you get away with all this crap.
He's going to bury all of this crap.
But you're going to make the economy boom.
Like, you're going to give us the best economy in the world.
You're going to give us the quote unquote golden age.
And that's why I'm just, when I look at everything as an odds maker, I'm like, that's our best hope that I see with this administration.
It's just like, good, okay, good.
I like that for America.
I'm an American.
I obviously want a good economy, but I'm not going to shut up because a bunch of perverts and pedophiles are going to get to walk.
So the whole thing is just insane.
The whole Epstein thing is just insane.
And in their filing, and this is why it's so insulting, by the way.
Thank you for the call, Craig.
In their filing, they're requesting the unsealing of the grand jury documents because it's historical significance.
So after insulting you, after insulting you and telling you to move on and calling you weak and pathetic and saying it's a hoax, they're now filing and saying it's so historically significant that we have to get the grand jury testimony.
unidentified
So, you know.
owen shroyer
What do you think about that?
You know?
What do you think about that?
Let's go to Tony in McKinney.
Tony, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
jack in texas
Hey, Owen.
Great show.
Love the conversation.
I have a couple of pieces of information for you.
And this one, if you can get it to Alex and this person, I think the more people we have looking, the better it is.
I've got the number of the exhibit in the Ghelain Maxwell trial that is the actual client list that was entered into evidence by the prosecution because that's how they convicted her of conspiracies.
You had to have a crime or you can't have a conspirator.
You got something to write down.
It's not a long one.
Are you ready?
owen shroyer
Go ahead.
jack in texas
It's exhibit GX52.
Gulp X-ray 5-2 in the federal court trial with Delaine Maxwell.
That is the client list.
That's what people need to be asking for.
That's what Bondi needs to produce because they can unseal or yeah, Bondi can have the DOJ unseal that evidence just with a pressure.
owen shroyer
Aren't there people, I know that in the Epstein case, there were a bunch of, you know, say John Does, there were a bunch of people, maybe co-conspirators, whatever interest they have.
There are a bunch of people fighting to keep all of that stuff sealed.
I'm not talking about the Florida stuff.
There's other stuff they're trying to keep sealed.
So is this like the same deal where people are paying for lawyers just to keep all the stuff sealed?
jack in texas
This is already public because it was entered into evidence in the Ghillain-Maxwell federal trial.
owen shroyer
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that they make it public.
They can still keep it under seal.
jack in texas
There is a court order after the fact to seal it, okay?
But it wasn't.
owen shroyer
So yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
people get in there and they sue to keep this stuff sealed.
jack in texas
But they shouldn't have standing, because if it was...
owen shroyer
Their names might be in there.
jack in texas
This is how it works in the federal system versus state systems.
The state systems are all different.
The federal system, when evidence is entered in at that point, it's public information to the United States of America.
If it is sealed after the fact, they don't have standing to keep it sealed individuals because it was public at the point it was entered in as evidence.
So you just got to have some people that are smart enough or have the wherewithal to be able to get it.
owen shroyer
Believe me, if it's possible, it'll happen.
But here's the problem, Tony, and I thank you for the call.
You know, you got a Second Amendment right too, but some people don't seem to care much about that.
So, you know, you can talk about the rules and everything, but you know that the government doesn't really give a damn.
And when you got the money and the power and the influence to shut something down, they shut it down for you.
That's just the truth.
And that's why we're here.
That's why we're still talking about it.
That does it for today.
Remember, tomorrow morning, InfoWars is live.
Brand new show with Brianna Morello at 10 a.m.
Central.
alex jones
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I am beyond excited about this.
I've wanted this knife for a year.
It's super high quality.
They finally got the right supplier and a bunch of them.
It's in a beautiful KeepSay black box with my signature in silver lettering on the top.
And when you go inside, this incredible combat battle dagger, limited edition Alex Jones signature battle dagger, a high-tech, super high-quality sheath with a high-tech clip onto your belt or your pants.
And it's got a special system where the knife doesn't come out when it's upside down.
It takes a little pull to get it out.
It is amazing.
This is, in my opinion, the very best defense battle dagger you can get.
It's an incredible price for $79.99 right now.
This knife by itself at stores sells for $100 every day, but we bought 5,000 of them.
So got the price down really low.
Wholesale, so we can pass that on to you and the profit we make goes in to fund this operation.
So you don't just get a great defensive system for yourself and your family, great in your car, great on your side, great in your purse, your glove compartment, also skin a buck with it, whatever you need.
This is an amazing knife.
You not only though, get something to defend yourself, you defend the Republic in the information war by funding this operation.
So get your limited edition Alex Jones Signature battle dagger at thealxjonstore.com right now, and it keeps this operation on the air.
This isn't just a blade.
It's a symbol of freedom.
Limited edition Alex Jones Signature Battle Dagger is forged by Patriots, ready to defend the Republic from the globalist agenda.
Featuring a double-edged black coated blade for unmatched ability and precision, this dagger is built to last.
On one side is next to my signature, while the other side proudly bears 1776, a reminder that the spirit of revolution lives on stronger than ever.
With its ergonomic non-slip grip designed ready for any mission, the dagger isn't just a tool, it's a statement.
Whether you're adding it to your collection or keeping it close as a symbol of resistance and for defense, this blade is for those who know that the answer to 1984 is 1776.
Get yours now.
And then we are announcing a limited sale, the PowerDrive bundle of PowerPlant and Methyl Drive, which goes incredibly good with Methylene Blue.
And both of these give you incredible natural energy, clarity, and focus.
But you mix them together with methylene blue.
I will tell you in Chase Geyser's observation himself, 10 times stronger than TurboForce.
Did you hear what I just said?
10 times stronger than TurboForce.
Get yours now.
Discounted massively.
50% off when you get them together.
50% off on the PowerDrive Bundle for a limited time one week at theAlexJonesStore.com.
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