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owen shroyer
Ladies and gentlemen, it is Friday, June 6th, 2025.
This is the Infowars War Room, the fastest three hours on the internet.
I think things have cooled down a little bit today.
Things have cooled down since yesterday's battle of the MAGA Titans, Elon Musk and Donald Trump.
Now, there were rumors last night there would be a phone call between the two parties today.
The White House then said that will not be happening, and it sounds like Trump is not interested in that phone call.
I'm not so sure if Musk is either.
And so that just kind of festers.
And then the ongoing debate, which I saw actually shift.
Today, I think yesterday was kind of shock and awe, and then the actual debate over the contents of the bill.
Now, today, a lot of people, not even conspiracy theorists, I'm talking about just, you might say, mainstream conservative talk show hosts and commentators now think that the entire thing was a ruse.
They think the whole thing was theater.
For some reasons we discussed yesterday, but it was interesting to see that shift today.
They just couldn't even believe it.
I still don't think that's the case.
There's a lot of reasons why people believe that.
But I think when Elon Musk goes into the Epstein accusations, I don't really know if you're kidding anymore.
And then it looks like there were some things in response to it, in all the chaos, some...
So that, to me, makes it look real.
But we'll go over all of that.
Now, there was some political action today.
Actually, some of it happened yesterday, but it kind of got blurred out because of all of the noise with the Trump-Musk conflict.
And then Kash Patel appears on Joe Rogan today looking very comfortable.
In his hoodie.
And I had some interesting stories that he broke today with Joe Rogan.
Now, I was familiar that Patel and others have been doxxed from the Trump administration, and I've also heard that there have been some local officials here.
They just haven't gone public because they don't want to confirm that these people have the right address.
But he just went public with that today.
And then there were some...
So we'll get into some of that, review some of that.
I've got a couple interesting guests today.
We're going to be going back to the good logic.
Let's play on words.
The attorney we had on, Joe Nierman, who is in the courtroom every day monitoring and reporting on the Diddy case.
So we're going to be getting another weekly update.
On the Diddy case.
I know of a couple of crazy details that came out this week, but I'm sure he'll have some more information on that.
And then we're going to be joined in studio by a comedian, actually a Canadian comedian.
You may have seen his work before.
He's very funny.
Ben Bankus, who now has, he's actually moved now, and he's in Texas now, so he's going to be coming in studio, actually.
And I'm going to be talking to him about the state of comedy.
You know, this whole Dave Portnoy situation where, and he's not the only one, but he's got a big platform, he's got a big voice, and he wants to ban, he says we need to ban any Jew jokes.
Now, we'll get into that and kind of the overall state of comedy, but really just to focus on Portnoy, what a hypocrite he is when it comes to his stance on what comedy is allowed and what comedy isn't.
So the crash out from a couple nights ago with Dave Portnoy, we'll talk to comedian Ben Bankis about that.
And then I'm also going to talk to him about the state of Canada.
You know, he moves down here to Texas, probably because he's sick of what's going on in Canada.
So we'll have a bit of that discussion as well.
We do have some other geopolitical news.
And yep, Russia has now officially attacked Kiev.
We saw this coming, but specifically after the Ukrainian attack on the Russians the other day, we knew that this was inevitable.
So we'll get into that as well today on the Infowars War Room.
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All right.
owen shroyer
Today, we separate now the Trump-Musk feud, which I think is in its own little category, its own little box over here.
It looks like it's going to stay in that box for the time being.
And so we separate that.
Some people think it's all theater.
It's all part of...
I'm not of that belief, but that looks like it's just going to kind of stay over there.
But it's now separated from the issues in the big, beautiful bill that they have in Congress or whether it's relevant or not that the Trump base has.
And so this debate has been ongoing.
We've separated the two issues.
There's no doubt the White House is running cover for this right now, meaning They're trying to get the narrative back on track and hoping if they can just drum up support from the Republican voters that maybe they can get some of these senators and some of these House representatives on board.
But I think it's pretty clear what's going to have to be done.
And I would say at this point it looks like the Senate will likely remove the SALT deduction.
We'll see if they remove any of the military spending.
But the Senate will likely remove the SALT deduction and maybe the debt ceiling, no limit debt ceiling.
And then they'll put the onus on the House to do something with the AI issue and maybe some of the other issues that they have as well.
But it looks like they're kind of going to tag team this to try to work it down a little bit.
And get something that they all feel a little bit more comfortable with.
Now, when I say the White House is out here running cover, I guess I don't mean that in a totally negative way.
But obviously they're sending spokespeople out into the media to try to explain what's really going on with this bill.
And really their best communicator is Stephen Miller.
Now, I think they're in a tough position.
Because usually the world of Trump politics and MAGA politics doesn't have to work like this.
They don't usually have to do issue campaigns.
You might even call it political propaganda campaigns.
They don't normally have to do this stuff.
Now, they might get into some fighting with congressional Republicans on getting things done, but there's never been an issue really since COVID.
There's never been an issue in this administration.
It got so big that it just sucked the air out of the entire political world and everybody was talking about it.
But Stephen Miller has been doing some media rounds trying to explain what's going on.
And he's a great communicator and he did a good job.
Now, I don't think it really changes the issues that we have.
And so now it just becomes a matter of who's going to make concessions.
Are the...
Or are they going to scrap it?
Are the House Republicans going to make concessions on the AI issue and some of the military spending that they don't like?
Or are they just going to accept it?
And I think this is where the lines are going to be drawn, and I think this is where the Senate and the House are kind of going to play volleyball with this thing to see what they can get it down to and then hopefully get it passed, which looks like it's...
We're not technically in summer yet.
But it looks like it'll be maybe more of a late summer victory.
But the Trump administration, which really I think is fair to say is represented by Mike Johnson.
Because I think they're controlling Mike Johnson for the most part.
As far as this bill is concerned.
And so, you know, whatever they're telling Mike Johnson, he'll basically go along with it for now.
And whatever they're telling Mike Johnson they need in this bill, he's going to promote it for now.
But then Johnson will have to be the intermediary between the congressional Republicans and their demands and what the White House wants.
But eventually they're going to have to come together and they're going to have to pass this bill.
They're going to have to pass this bill because it is going to be important for the Trump agenda.
And in a reconciliation bill, there's other advantages that they have as far as the procedures and the votes are concerned.
And so it's like, you get one shot at this, you gotta do it.
So they gotta get this thing right.
And it is gonna be important for mass deportations.
They're gonna massively fund ICE.
They're gonna massively fund the deportation effort.
They're gonna fund deportation infrastructure.
Hire a bunch of new agents.
Expand these operations.
So that's very important.
There are the tax cuts in there.
Obviously, we all want that.
And there's some other MAGA agenda items in there as well.
Now, the AI issue was explained.
The reason why they have it in there and written like they do is because the way it works right now, they don't want, for example, the state...
Now, again, Stephen Miller explained it.
I'm going to try to do my best, but I think if you just kind of understand the concept of it, you'll get a grasp on it.
But basically, a lot of the AI headquarters are in California.
A lot of AI technology will come into the country through California.
And so they can basically rig their laws that will end up controlling the entire United States based off whatever they want to do in California.
So the reason why they put that language of the AI in there was to basically cut California out of that process and remove that control from the state of California so that the federal government can do it.
Now, you might like that concept when Trump is president, but a lot of these policies are 10-year long.
So they can get reversed, or the Biden, whoever administration, not Biden, whatever Democrat gets in next, can then use these policies to their own advantage, or they can just decide they're going to reverse them.
So a lot of this stuff could easily, they could just reverse it with another Democrat president.
If a Democrat president decides, okay, no debt limit, I'm going to do ridiculous spending for welfare.
So there's all kinds of different issues if you hand this bill to the Democrats.
But these things normally just get reversed and rewritten anyway whenever there's a new administration.
So, that's the reason why they had that language in there.
Now, Miller did say that portion of the bill could be, they could make a concession, the White House could make a concession on that.
If it's a no-go and they can't get it through the House, then they can make a concession on that, but they'd still like to find a way.
To make sure the state of California cannot dictate how AI is handled for the rest of the country.
So maybe there's a better way that they can work that in.
But I do think that might be an issue with getting, once again, the votes in the House.
So that's going to have to be probably reworked.
The debt ceiling, they argue that if they don't increase the debt ceiling or they don't have no debt limit, That Chuck Schumer can use to basically cap the spending of the Trump administration.
Now, to me, it feels like there's a bit of a mix-up here.
And I don't doubt that the CBO was not giving good numbers or favorable numbers to get support for the bill.
Probably the exact opposite.
I have no doubt about that.
But the Trump administration is arguing that the thing will balance itself out if you're saying, hey, this doesn't balance the debt or this doesn't balance the deficit, and that's what the CBO was reporting.
The Trump administration is saying, well, the tariffs will balance it.
So they're not weighing in the tariffs.
Okay.
Well, so let's say that's fair.
But now if you're talking about balancing all of this, then why do you need to go with the unlimited debt?
So that one, I don't know.
I don't know if they're going to have, if they're going to be able to get the votes in the Senate on an unlimited debt ceiling.
So that might be something that the White House has to make a concession on.
And those two things I think are inevitable as far as concessions are concerned.
The SALT deduction, this is ridiculous.
It shouldn't even be in there.
But you have Republicans in the state of California and in the state of Illinois that refuse.
They're in the House.
It's like Mike Lawler's one of them.
They refuse to vote for a bill that doesn't maintain the SALT deductions.
It's absurd.
If I'm the Republicans, I force them to own that, and I'd make them play chicken on that, and I'd call them out on that, and I'd say, these Republicans refuse to vote for this bill unless we continue to subsidize blue states with red state taxpayers.
So I'd make them own up to that.
I'd remove that.
The Senate is where that's going to have to happen.
The House is not going to do it because they won't have the votes.
But if the Senate does it and then it goes back to the House, maybe that'll force their hand to vote for it anyway, and then they don't want to sit there with their tail between their legs like, oh, I'm not going to vote because I can't get the SALT deductions to subsidize blue states.
So I think that'll be the strategy.
Now, whether the Senate Republicans want to do that or not, or just balk at that and say, fine, we'll keep that in, we shall see.
But this is where it's all going.
This is where the bill is all going.
This is where the debate inside Congress is at.
And it looks like Johnson representing the White House.
And then the House Republicans as a voting bloc where they have to get, obviously, a certain number to get it passed.
And the same thing in the Senate.
So the House Republicans are going to have to agree on something that they get the votes for.
Which they don't have right now.
The Senate Republicans will have to agree on something that they can get the votes for, which they don't have right now.
And then Mike Johnson is going to be in there basically lobbying for the Trump administration on these issues if they think it's something worth fighting over or not.
So the AI thing, they've already said we can work with that and we can rewrite the language or if we have to remove it, maybe we will.
So the White House has already said, okay, there's a possible concession there.
They don't want to deal with the debt limit.
They've made that clear.
They may not have a choice, but that's one thing they've made clear.
The SALT deductions doesn't seem to be a big issue for the White House.
I think that's just a five Republicans in the House issue.
So if the Senate removes it, their hand might be forced.
So there's a chance you could get rid of the SALT deductions.
The military spending, they can probably keep all of it and still pass the bill in the House.
I think the only holdout on the military spending is going to be Thomas Massey, and that's not enough to keep it from passing in the House.
So that will likely stay, and he's been the one vocal about the military spending being too much.
But that's where it's at right now.
So we're separating that issue from the Trump-Musk feud, which who knows where that goes.
Who knows where that goes now?
Now, some other issues here.
Senator Mike Lee, I think we can all get behind this.
Leave NATO.
Reunite Trump and Musk.
This is the way.
And you also have Anna Paulina Luna in the house.
NATO is a massive financial drain on this country.
While we are actively pushing for peace between Ukraine and Russia, Yeah, well, not just NATO.
Lindsey Graham, Mike Pompeo, Vladimir Zelensky, and now Vladimir Putin.
So, we shouldn't have ever been in NATO.
NATO just steals our money.
The only reason why Trump doesn't leave NATO is because it gives him leverage in geopolitical and foreign policy debates and issues.
So he can use that NATO funding against Europe to say, okay, well, if you won't do this or if you won't do that for us, then we'll just go ahead and stop funding NATO, to which, of course, the European countries are like, well, no, hey, ho, we don't need to be, let's not make any rash decisions here.
We still want your money.
We still want all the money you pay to defend our countries that doesn't really benefit you at all.
We still want that money from you.
So hold on.
Maybe we can make something happen here.
So, specifically, maybe it's with tariffs.
But whatever issues that Trump may have, as far as foreign policy, geopolitics in Europe, he uses the NATO funding as a bargaining chip and as leverage.
And it's about as good as one as you can get, except we are sick and tired of paying for NATO, and it's just been a disaster for our foreign policy, and it's been bad for the world.
So it's losing popularity.
It's losing popularity fast.
You also have the SAVE Act, which the Senate is promoting right now, and it should have been passed a long time ago, but the Democrats never wanted to pass it, but now is the time.
Senate must advance the SAVE Act.
Congress must pass the SAVE Act to ensure the legitimacy of our elections.
Voting in the United States elections is for U.S. citizens only.
Federal law prohibits non-citizen voting, but it's too easy to circumvent.
The SAVE Act would fix that.
And then Senator Lee shares a story that he wrote with Ken Cuccinelli explaining why the SAVE Act is necessary.
So some other agenda items there in the Senate that need to get done.
And there should be no reason why we can't get the SAVE Act passed unless some Republicans want to get nasty or...
Democrat shenanigans, too.
You also had, and this happened yesterday, but the noise of the Trump-Musk feud drowned out.
House Oversight Chair James Comer subpoenas Joe Biden's White House doctor.
That's right.
Kevin O'Connor has been subpoenaed, which the subpoena dictates This comes after Connor had declined Comer's request to voluntarily appear before the committee.
Now, it's not clear, I'm getting mixed signals here, whether it's going to be a public testimony or closed doors testimony.
It sounded like this one was going to be public.
They offered him the closed doors once he declined it.
Comer said, Among other subjects, the committee has expressed its interest in whether your financial relationship with the Biden family affected your assessment of former President Biden's physical and mental fitness to fulfill his duties as president.
Given your connections with the Biden family, the committee sought to understand if you contributed to an effort to hide former President Biden's fitness to serve from the American people.
Which, of course, he did.
O 'Connor's attorneys previously told the committee that the denial to appear was due in part to a D.C. code concerning physicians disclosing patient information to a court without consent.
Quoting this from the American Medical Association, ethical obligations pursuant to principal number, yada, yada, yada, and physical physician-patient privilege.
LaCommerce says this argument lacks merit because Congress is not a court.
This section, therefore, in no way precludes you from appearing and testifying regarding your role as physician to former President Biden.
So this is where they can really turn up the heat on the corruption from the Biden administration.
The cancer cover-up, the dementia cover-up, and then, of course, the auto-pen scandal.
And these things, they should, I mean, these things were so obvious.
Even if you can't get anything effectively giving you results from this process, the American people can sit here and watch these liars and these scumbags, and they can get a better idea of how corrupt the Biden administration was, how corrupt the Democrats are, and how the mainstream media lies for the purpose of protecting and promoting the Democrat Party.
So even if you can't get results, the process here is going to be very important.
And it's not going to be limited to Dr. O 'Connor.
It's going to be other aides.
It's going to be other advisors.
It might even be Karine Jean-Pierre.
And, you know, she's probably not that smart.
Maybe the other Biden aides that are talking to mainstream news outlets now and publications and posting on X insulting Karine Jean-Pierre.
You know, she wasn't very bright.
She couldn't learn.
More intellectual, philosophical, political issues.
She couldn't understand geopolitics.
I mean, they're basically calling her an idiot, which I guess we're not going to be debating that.
I think that was already settled.
But maybe now she's got a bone to pick.
She needs to sell some books.
She can't get a TV gig.
Nobody wants her.
But now maybe she has a little leverage.
Now maybe she can play a little cat and mouse here.
Call some of her old friends from the last administration and say, hey, you know, the Republicans really want to know the truth about Joe Biden.
And, you know, I could maybe tell them that.
You know?
I could maybe give them that information.
But I suppose I'd be less inclined to if you could, I don't know, get me a TV gig.
Just an idea.
Just a thought.
unidentified
Maybe help me promote my book.
owen shroyer
I didn't want to go independent.
I don't want to come out and destroy whatever credibility the Biden administration has left.
But, you know, I could do that.
But if you could find me a nice paying TV gig, I suppose I wouldn't need to cooperate or be inclined to tell America just how bad things really were.
So don't be surprised if that's how it goes down.
So if Karine Jean-Pierre does end up with a TV gig and doesn't end up spilling the beans in the Biden administration, even though clearly nobody from the left has any interest in her anymore, I think you can be pretty confident that that's how it went down behind the scenes.
By the way, speaking of behind the scenes, the Secret Service ordered destruction of the White House cocaine bag.
The day after closing the case, well, yeah, they covered it up, and it's obvious why.
And look, I don't even, it's not even that big of a story to me.
Whatever, it's, you know, it's a scandal.
People have interest in it.
It's, ooh, you know, Hunter Biden doing drugs or whoever it was.
They know who it was.
And it was a member of the Biden family.
It may be multiple members.
You know, it might have been a family affair in there, doing some lines, whatever.
So, you know, overall, it's a minor thing to me.
It's just the nature of the Biden family and just how corrupt this last White House was.
But yeah.
Am I upset that the Secret Service wanted to bury a story about the Biden family blowing lines in the White House?
No, not really.
Probably overall a good thing.
You know, maybe we don't want that as corrupt as the Bidens were.
Maybe we don't want the national headlines of, Joe Biden's kids skiing in the White House.
You know, maybe that's something I'm okay with.
Secret Service just go ahead and spiking that and making sure that doesn't become a national scandal.
But that's what it was.
Let's not pretend we don't know what went on.
It's pretty obvious what went on here.
So, the one thing you can do now, though, if they wanted to, and if they didn't, again, it wouldn't really matter to me.
But they came out and they said, well, we're going to reopen the investigation into the White House cocaine.
I think it was all PR because Bongino and Patel saw their approval rating going down, so they wanted to throw a little red meat to give it a bump.
They said, oh, well, no pun intended.
They said, oh, well, we'll investigate the cocaine.
But I think they already knew that that deal was closed.
So if they really wanted to come out, they could just come out and say, look, we know it was the Bidens.
It was one of the Biden family members.
That's how they got it in.
It's all said and done.
They covered it up.
And so we're just moving on.
But that's who these people were.
That's how they treated the White House.
No plans.
No plans for Trump must call to resolve feud.
What do you think?
All for show?
All part of a ruse?
Is it for something else?
And look, I look at all the angles and I just crunch numbers.
So I could see that there's a potential that Musk and Trump basically said, all right, now that your time here is up, this is how this is going to go.
You and I are going to have to have a falling out because people are going to say it's a conflict of interest with all the government contracts you get.
And plus, for your side, for Musk's side, You know, you've got to do something to help out your businesses, help out Tesla, so you can kind of separate from me and maybe that'll help that out.
So I could see that maybe being something that they had planned.
I'd put that at like a 15% chance maybe.
I'd put it at like maybe a 5% chance that this was all a ruse to force the Democrats to come out in support of Doge and releasing the Epstein files, which did happen.
By the way, Democrats seek answers from FBI if Trump has any role in Epstein files demanding the release of them.
So, I mean, that's just a chef's kiss.
And they were also demanding the doge cuts, too.
So it's incredible.
The Democrats literally ran a campaign, which the purpose of...
And then the minute, and they organized, they had him in the streets, everything.
And then the minute Musk and Trump fall out, all of a sudden they're pro-Musk.
All of a sudden they're with Musk on the Epstein stuff and they're with Musk now on the doge cuts.
Incredible stuff.
But I'd say that all being a plan was like 5%.
Could Musk all be doing this on his own, out of a fiduciary duty to his company to stand for the EV credits?
I'd say that's about a 5%, maybe less, actually.
I think the odds are in favor of, I don't know, maybe Trump or Trump's team got sick of Musk being around all the time.
And maybe Musk felt like the work put in by Doge and himself didn't get the proper respect or application that they'd like to see, so he kind of blew up about that.
To me, that's the odds-on favorite, that it was an organic thing.
But I'm open-minded to this being a bit of theater.
I'm open-minded to this being Trump and Musk kind of having a predetermined agreement that, hey, we're going to have this nasty fallout here.
And this is how it's going to go.
So I'm definitely open-minded to that.
Now, some of the other conspiracy theories are this has something to do with all this AI and the giant surveillance grid that Palantir is bringing in or that the Trump administration is trying to bring in.
And maybe there's some power struggle between Musk and some of these other AI guys.
It could be a personality thing.
It could be a...
It could be a battle for who's going to be the one to get the contracts thing.
It could be all of it.
So that's definitely a big thing.
And it's kind of a debate that gets lost now in the world of politics.
And it's not something that we have to accept.
I don't buy that it's something we have to accept.
That we have to live in a surveillance state.
We have to live in a control grid.
And basically, this entire system...
I mean, here's what I would just...
So you can deal in the things you want, and then you can deal in the things you have.
And this is just the reality of the world.
And we might already be there, but now they're just ramping up the system.
We obviously live in a controlled spy grid.
I think that that's pretty obvious.
We're spied on all the time.
We've witnessed it ramp up with the internet.
We've witnessed it ramp up with the smartphones.
Now we've witnessed it ramp up with this ever-present AI.
Just about everybody now has experienced something like, let's say I'm talking to the crew here before the show, and I'm like, hey, what's everybody doing this weekend?
Oh, yeah, I'm going to go fishing out on the lake.
You know, I've been looking for a new fishing rod or something like that.
And then I open my phone and then boom, there's a...
It's like, yeah, the phone's listening to you.
So most people have experienced that by now.
But I don't think it's all-encompassing yet.
And I think there's so much data when it goes into the internet that they just don't really have the system that can process and maintain it all.
But that's what they're trying to build.
So you have what you want, and then you have what you have.
I don't want to live in a spy grid.
I don't want to live in a constant surveillance state.
I don't want to live in a country that treats me like a criminal just because I exist.
And then you have this system now, and this is where you have to make a life decision.
This is where you have to realize this is the world you live in.
I don't want to live in a system now where you're basically, you're now inside a blackmail operation.
You are now walking around inside a giant blackmail operation.
You can make the argument that all of this technology can be used for good.
Let's not be totally closed-minded here.
You can make the argument that all this technology can be used for good.
Now, you could say that the bad outweighs the good.
Or you could say, I don't want to open that Pandora's box.
We need to just stop it here.
But this is the reality of the situation.
You are either already in...
And basically now, anything you do, anything you say on the internet, or even in person if you have a smartphone in the room, Or a television that records you?
Or a computer that records you?
Or a microwave that records you?
Whatever.
They got recording devices everywhere.
Anything you say or do will now be immediately put into this system as a data point.
And you can call it a social credit score.
You can call it a personal profile.
But that's the world you live in now.
Anything you do on the internet and anything you do when there's a recording device around you, that is now going on to your permanent record.
And abso-frickin-lutely, abso-frickin-lutely, you end up somewhere on the internet you're not supposed to be.
You do something behind the scenes that you're not supposed to be doing.
Well, might not.
Might not come back to haunt you.
Until you run for office.
Might not come back to haunt you until you get that big CEO job or you land on that board.
And then all of a sudden...
Yeah, we got all your data right here.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Hey, this doesn't have to be a problem for you.
You just got to do what we say.
Remember that time you...
We'd hate to have this come out, so it's no big deal.
This doesn't have to be a problem for you, but you're going to vote how we want.
You're going to vote on this board how we want.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
owen shroyer
So I would say we're not there yet.
I would say if that stuff goes on, or I don't doubt that stuff goes on, it's a very targeted operation.
They just don't have the computing capacity.
To handle all the phone calls, all the recordings, all the internet browsings.
They just don't have the computing capacity yet, but they're getting there.
They're getting there, and now they're building it, and it's Palantir that wants to be the ones that build this worldwide quantum computing master surveillance operation that, you know, I think if Trump has one thing that he's short-sighted on with all of this is he kind of, he—
So you can have Karp in there saying, hey, this will help us lower crime rates.
This will help us identify and arrest violent criminals.
This will help us identify and arrest and deport illegal aliens.
And, you know, Trump sits there and says, well, this all sounds great.
And nobody's even asking about the downside.
Maybe Trump can't even comprehend the downside.
I don't think Trump is really a tech-savvy guy.
I mean, he's an older guy.
And I think maybe he's learning about some of this stuff.
And it's really probably only Barron who could maybe get him up to speed on this.
Maybe Eric, maybe Don Jr.
But probably even Barron more than anybody if he wanted to.
But that's what's going on.
So, yeah.
You're really already in the world where you, if you're smart, you have to think like that.
You have to think that everything you do is being spied on.
You have to think that everything you say is being spied on and that now, I'd say now we're either, maybe not there yet, but we're getting close, where now it'll all be harvested into a data center.
So right now, If that's going on, which I would say it is, it's still very targeted.
They just don't have the data centers, the computing capacity, the AI to organize and sort it and identify it all.
But that's what they're building.
That's what they're building.
And a lot of people have a problem with that.
So really, and I think this is where it feels kind of dirty to us, like dirty salesman type stuff with us with this bill.
We shouldn't be even sitting here talking about All of this AI infrastructure.
Hey, I'm okay with making sure the U.S. can be AI dominant or can compete in that field since China is going to be a major competitor there.
Quantum computing, everything else.
I understand that that's a field we're going to have to compete in.
But we shouldn't be sitting here building this infrastructure and green lighting all of it just for the sake of, hey, we got to do this.
No, we should be having summits on this.
We should be having White House summits on this.
We should be having congressional summits on this, congressional hearings on this, town halls on this.
We should be bringing in all these tech giants, and we should be talking about this.
We should be saying, okay, what type of uses for AI can be used for good, and then how can we make sure that these things cannot be used against us eventually?
Just generally decides it's going to use it against us.
And it's not even in our control anymore.
But see, we're not having these conversations.
It's just, oh, just get it into this bill, get it done.
It's all for the good of the economy.
It's all for the good of law enforcement.
And then they don't even think about the negative repercussions, which is not a good place to be.
Now, Marjorie Taylor Greene is speaking out about this more than anyone else.
She's kind of boiling it down to a state's rights issue, which is fine.
But I think the bigger issue is just with the dangers of AI and the surveillance grid that they're building.
But here's Marjorie Taylor Greene talking about why she doesn't have, she's not going to vote for it again in clip eight.
unidentified
You said you have problems with the build, just like Elon Musk has said.
kash patel
I mean, can you echo some of the concerns that you have?
marjorie taylor greene
I have one serious problem with the build, and that is destroying state rights and federalism to allow AI to run rampant over 10 years.
And AI, I think, is one of the most unknown and unpredictable industries going forward.
And I can tell you right now, if you looked up the jobs that AI will replace, I'm looking at every single one of you.
And over the next 10 years, all of the people here in the press, your jobs will be replaced by AI.
And I am 100% opposed.
And I will not vote for any bill that destroys federalism and takes away states' rights, the ability to regulate and make laws when it regards humans and AI.
And this is a warning shot for everyone.
I don't care what your political party is.
I do not care if you hate my guts or you love me or you don't care about me whatsoever.
I think every single human matters.
And I think this is an issue I'll go to the mat on.
I love many of the policies because they fund the president's campaign promises.
I can also say I don't like the price tag.
I can agree with Elon there.
I can agree with the president on the good things in the bill.
But I can also tell every single Republican in the House and the Senate, I don't care what you change it to.
If you are destroying state rights, I'm out.
owen shroyer
I think there's a larger question here, too, but at the end of the day, is technological advancement inevitable?
Is all of it inevitable, or can we as a civilization decide we're going to pause it, or we're going to slow it down?
And I think you could even have some case examples of that, and I don't know if it's necessarily by decision, but like what happens in Cuba.
But really, that's part of this conversation, too.
What type of a world do we want to live in in 10 years?
What type of a world do we want to leave for our children?
Do we want to leave our children with an America that is basically run by AI, totally out of control, total surveillance state?
For good or for bad?
unidentified
Do we want to leave...
owen shroyer
So those are the two big issues that I think we have to review with this bill.
And of course, you know, the people inside the Trump administration, the big tech people inside there, and the Palantir representatives inside there, they're just, you know, green light, green light, let's go, go, go, go, go.
They want those government contracts.
They want to get that power.
They want to get that control.
But who's in there running the checks and balances?
Who's in there saying, hey, let's take a pause here.
Who's in there saying, what does this look like in 10 years?
What does this look like in 50 years?
How do we make sure all the bad things we can identify as potentials don't happen?
I'm not hearing that anywhere.
So that's fine that Karp and Palantir and the rest of them can come to Trump and say, hey, look.
Bring in this AI system, give us access to all this data, and it's the biggest data mining, it's the biggest data harvesting operation of all time, at least that we know of.
Now, I'd say between the CIA and MI6 and Mossad that they're basically already running it, but again, that's very targeted.
They don't have the computing power to do that to the entire planet.
Now that computing power is almost here.
And then...
You don't even have to have humans running it to determine social credit scores and all this other stuff.
The AI will just automate all of it.
And then the only involvement the human element will have will be the target element to say, hey, go look at this politicians.
Go look at this executives.
Go look at this celebrity's profile.
Let's see what kind of dirt we can dig up.
And then it's your entire life record there.
Now let's just move on for the sake of time here because I got guests coming up and we got other news.
I got a bunch of these clips from Patel and Bongino.
Now they do talk about Epstein.
You want to talk about bad timing.
Why would they do this?
But this is the Daily Mail and apparently Alan Dershowitz is maybe behind the scenes trying to get this out here.
Epstein lawyer responds to Elon Musk claim Trump is named in files.
As Ghislaine Maxwell pins her hopes on a presidential pardon, former Trump friend and attorney Alan Dershowitz tells Daily Mail that he would be right to consider pardoning Maxwell.
What?
First of all, horrible timing.
Worst possible timing.
Again, David Schoen came out in support of Trump, saying he's completely exonerated on the Epstein stuff.
I don't doubt that.
Why would you come out and tell the Daily Mail that Trump needs to pardon Maxwell today?
Are you nuts?
Are you stupid?
Couldn't be worse timing.
So is that to hurt Trump, or does he think this was a smart move with this momentum?
And then his argument is, Maxwell was a victim here.
Did you even listen to the testimony of Virginia Jufri and the rest of them?
Did you even listen?
She was the recruiter.
She would bring in the girls and make them feel comfortable before they got to go and rub Epstein down.
Today?
unidentified
Dershowitz?
owen shroyer
What the hell is that?
And yet one thing remains.
No Epstein files.
And so now you've crossed the threshold where there's so much pressure.
On the FBI and Bongino and Patel, and look, I don't want to believe that Bondi is intentionally covering up the Jeffrey Epstein story.
I don't believe that Patel and Bongino are doing that for whatever reason.
It certainly is not on behalf of Trump.
It could be on behalf of the CIA and Mossad.
So maybe they realized, well...
But the public pressure is building so much and the conversation is just every day that they have to do something.
So do they?
I mean, it looks like now they've realized making the empty promises or saying things we can't deliver on here has been a mistake.
So maybe now we just say it's over.
There's nothing we can do.
They destroyed all the files.
And that's basically where they've gone at this point.
So we got a couple on this from Patel and Epstein, and I went a little long here.
So we'll do it now, and we'll do it at the top of the next segment before the guest joins me to give us an update into the Diddy trial, which is like Epstein Lite.
Here they are talking about Epstein.
Did he kill himself?
kash patel
Clip 14. And listen, this guy's not the only guy to kill himself in prison.
It happens, I don't know how often.
joe rogan
Right.
kash patel
All the time.
joe rogan
Even if he killed himself in prison.
So, if he was murdered in prison, crazy, right?
kash patel
Yeah.
joe rogan
You could see why very powerful people wouldn't want him talking.
kash patel
If he was murdered in segregated housing, in isolation, after being on suicide watch in a place in a detention center that I've physically been in myself, it would be fiction.
It's just, in my experience, that is not doable.
joe rogan
It's not doable, even for the most powerful and wealthiest people in the world?
kash patel
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wouldn't you think, though, that if someone was in a position where a guy could release information that could potentially damage the most wealthy people on earth, you would have a concerted effort that's unprecedented?
kash patel
Sure.
joe rogan
You'd have the resources that we couldn't even possibly comprehend all pointing towards eliminating this one person that it could be done.
kash patel
But, I mean, so many people have been implicated, right, already.
And some of that information, whether they did to Prince Andrew and everybody else is already out there.
And so that's the conspiracy stuff that me, Bongino, and the folks have to say, look, we will give you everything we can, and then we will have done our job.
Also, if I had a shred, me, Kash Patel, had a shred of evidence.
The Russiagate guy.
The Jan 6 guy.
The COVID origins guy.
Had a shred of evidence that this guy was murdered.
I would be the first guy to bring this case hard and fast.
And I would do even doing press conferences every week on it.
The first guy.
That's what I'm asking people to play out to their logical conclusion.
I'm not Comey.
I'm not McCabe.
I'm not the guy that was in the seat before.
I have a wildly different background.
I've been putting out the truth my entire career.
Why would I risk all of it on this guy?
owen shroyer
Now, I tend to understand that from Mattel.
And I wouldn't even doubt that whatever there was to investigate has been destroyed.
Not to mention that Comey and then his daughter probably were destroying it as it was happening.
So, okay, let's strategically, in an effort to get down to the bottom of this, sacrifice that.
Say, fine, you know what?
There is no tape.
Epstein killed himself.
Fine.
Okay.
I wave the white flag.
Doesn't change the one bigger issue.
How do you arrest Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell for running a sex trafficking operation to no clients?
To no clients.
What?
One member of the royal family, that was it?
No.
No, that wasn't it.
All right, we still got a lot of interesting news to cover here.
We got new David Hogg tape.
We got a wild admission about the mRNA vaccines that, of course, we knew all along.
Now they're just admitting it.
They're like, yeah, well, we had to lie and deceive, otherwise you wouldn't have taken them.
It's like, oh, okay.
And, of course, that's on top of the lies they told you about COVID.
To scare you.
But this is just breaking.
Now, what's crazy about this is we kind of anticipated this.
When we filed the FOIA request, we were blocked by the DOJ when me and my attorney filed the FOIA request to get the Kilmar Garcia information and body cam video, which we did eventually get.
We published it.
I published it on my X account.
But they blurred a lot of stuff out, and then they told us the rest of the files, which they fully redacted or wouldn't give us, they said this is a part of an ongoing investigation.
So we were kind of scratching our heads, me and my attorney, if you remember, we were talking about it on the show, and we said, well, maybe this means that they are actually investigating him for human trafficking.
Well, now they've announced it.
So Pam Bondi just made this announcement.
Kilmar Obrego Garcia is actually about to be flown back to the United States for court.
Here are the charges announced by Pam Bondi.
pam bondi
This is especially disturbing because Abrego Garcia is also alleged with transporting minor children.
The defendant traded the innocence of minor children for profit.
There are even more disturbing facts that the grand jury uncovered.
It is alleged this defendant is part of the same smuggling ring responsible for the death of more than 50 migrants in 2021 after the tractor trailer overturned in Mexico.
This is part of that same ring.
The defendant abused undocumented alien females, according to co-conspirators, who were under his control while transporting them throughout our country.
This defendant trafficked firearms and narcotics throughout our country on multiple occasions.
They were using vehicles, SUVs, with added seats in the back, floors that had been ripped out, guns, narcotics, children, women, MS-13 members.
That is what the grand jury found.
A co-conspirator alleged that the defendant solicited nude photographs and videos of a minor.
A co-conspirator also alleges the defendant played a role in the murder of a rival gang member's mother.
These facts demonstrate Abrego Garcia is a danger to our community.
We want to thank The Department of Homeland Security, the FBI, our state and local partners, our acting U.S. Attorney Robert McGuire, and prosecutors from the Joint Task Force Vulcan.
owen shroyer
Okay, so now we get back to the original suspicion.
Was this guy a friend of the Biden administration?
Now officially being charged with trafficking.
Did he have clients in Washington, D.C.?
I think it's totally fair to ask.
Did he have clients associated or directly connected to the Biden administration?
I think it's totally fair to ask.
Would make sense.
Why else would the Biden administration and the FBI call the Tennessee Highway Patrol and say let him go, even though they clearly...
So, okay, original suspicion about why the DOJ was blocking our FOIA requests.
They said there was an ongoing investigation.
It ticked us off at the time, but we said, well, maybe they are actually investigating this.
So, okay, there we go.
We get the deliverance there.
And now you go one step beyond.
Was Abrego Garcia trafficking?
Humans or sex trafficking people in Washington, D.C. or directly to the Biden administration?
I think that is a perfectly reasonably thing to ask considering how this went down.
All right, we are going to get back into the latest in the Diddy trial here with Joe Nierman.
Good logic at the follow pro on X on YouTube.
Good.
Where he breaks down a bunch of legal issues, legal cases, and he's been all over the Diddy case.
And I mean, quite literally, he's there every day following it.
And so, you know, first of all, Joe, let me let me ask you this, because from my perspective, there was a there was a change this week where.
are CNN was dedicating a lot of their primetime news to the Diddy trial.
They were even dedicating entire shows, naming shows after it, and they went a lot lighter this week.
I'm curious, did you notice, was there any shift as far as the interest actually there on the ground?
Was there less media there this week, or is the interest still peaked, the overflow room still filled, people waiting outside the courtroom 5 a.m.?
What is the scene still like there in the actual courtroom?
joe nierman
I think it's fair to say that to some degree it's died down a little bit.
A little bit of the hullabaloo that we had early on was when, with Kid Cudi expected to testify, he's a big name musician, and the courthouse itself was preparing for his arrival.
And at this point, some of what we're hearing is, especially over the last couple of days from the second girlfriend to be trafficked coming in to testify on direct, what we've been hearing is, A lot of what we had heard similar to what we heard from the first victim, Cassie Ventura.
So it could be that there's some sort of dying down.
What I've heard is you can get into the courtroom if you're there by 6 a.m.
This is not, which is difficult for most people, obviously.
But if you're there by 6 a.m., you can get there, as opposed to other big-name trials, which sometimes you have to wait through the night.
If you wanted to catch Donald Trump's trial, you had to have someone waiting there through the night.
Or the DEP trial.
People were waiting there since 7 in the evening the day before.
So as trials go, this is something that people have an interest in.
But for one reason or another, it's not the same level interest that we've seen with other big-name trials.
And over the last couple of weeks, I would say the overflow room that I'm in, which holds about 70 people or so, is pretty full.
It's difficult to get a seat sometimes in there.
And if it gets too full, This week, we haven't needed a second overflow room.
The first week or so, we did need that second overflow room.
So I would say there's probably about 20% to 25% fewer journalists covering it now than there were in the first couple of weeks.
owen shroyer
I wanted to get a gauge on that, because I could just tell.
When I'm just going through the media, I was like, there seems to be less interest here this week.
So I wanted to see if your reporting on the ground would indicate that.
Well, now let's actually get into the things that came out this week.
Now, again, from my perspective, I'm not spending hours digging into all this.
It's just my normal surfing of the web.
Whenever I see something, I might look into that, dig into that.
So a couple interesting things that I saw was, I guess it was Cassie Ventura's friend talking about the dangling over the balcony.
The payoff of the security guard for the footage.
Let's start with those two stories.
Pick which one you want to start with.
Let's talk about the developments and the details into those crazy testimonies.
joe nierman
So in the early part of the week, we had the person who was paid off came in there and testified.
And then we also heard from Brianna Bonalong, who's known as Banna, who is part of a group of four or five friends that Cassie was regularly partying with during particularly during the last few years of a relationship with Diddy from around 2015 to 2018.
And we had been waiting to hear from Banna for a while, only because even in opening arguments, we had heard about how.
And there was one or two references that were made to it during testimonies of specifically Cassie Ventura.
She talked a little bit about it.
And so we were waiting to hear that story.
Obviously, when you hear about some celebrity dangling someone off a balcony, you have certain images in your brain, right?
Like you picture Michael Jackson with that horrific moment where he's dangling a baby outside a window.
And for me and a lot of other people, when I'm picturing him dangling someone off the edge of a balcony, I'm picturing him holding her by her legs, you know, like about to drop her, having some muscle there, which is holding her up and threatening her.
I didn't know what to picture.
And now that I've heard her testimony, I still don't know what to picture because we've heard so many different variations on this same story with Bonna.
And to some degree, it's frightening for the state to think that her testimony, which was shredded on cross and even had some some hardcore forensic evidence to refute some of the things, some of the claims that she made, whether it might have such a bad carryover effect that it might actually impugn some of the.
That Cassie gave a couple of weeks earlier.
I can walk you through the forensic evidence.
It was really shocking to see how well Nicole Westmoreland for the defense broke Bonna down and her balcony story in particular, which.
It was just snickering in the room.
owen shroyer
That is curious.
It's curious because I think, again, it's just the ebbs and flows of this case, but Ventura did pretty well, all things considered.
And I know she got hammered and crossed, but it seemed like when her testimony was done, it was like, okay, this hurt Diddy.
This was a bad testimony for the Diddy side.
And, you know, okay, how do you recover from this?
So then they get her friend in there and she does damage to it.
And you can get into some of these details.
But I guess the question that comes into my mind is, what is her motive, right?
I mean, what is her motive to come in here and either hurt Cassie's testimony or even just, if it's on her own accord, not be accurate with the information provided?
That seems a little strange.
joe nierman
So let me break down to you what the defense wants the jury to think her motive is based on how they did this cross-examination.
You need to understand that the way she tells over this balcony story when she gets on direct is that she says Diddy came up behind her and lifted her up under her arms, and she had her feet on the railing, and they show a picture of the balcony, and there was 15, 20 seconds, and he's screaming, you know what you did, you know what you did.
She's saying, I have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't know what I did, and freaking out.
And then he takes her and throws her onto some balcony furniture, and this causes her to sustain injuries, including a five-inch round welt with a puncture in it, in her leg, which she says she took a picture of it a few hours later.
And she shares the metadata from that picture, dating September 26, 2016, at 9 o 'clock in the morning in Los Angeles.
all happens in Los Angeles.
On cross-examination, Sometimes she said that now she's saying that she had her back to Diddy, which that's a very different type of incident.
Sometimes she said she was smoking weed.
Other times she said she was smoking a cigarette.
Other times she said she wasn't smoking.
There was all sorts of contradictions between her story, the story that Cassie told about it, whether or not Cassie saw it or didn't see it.
There's all sorts of different...
2016?
I don't know.
Well, she was actually in the Prudential Center in New Jersey on that evening, wasn't she?
And she's like, I'm not sure.
Where was Diddy on September 25th, 2016?
He was performing on stage in the Prudential Center with Lil' Kim.
And where was he on September 26th, the day of this incident?
Oh, he was visiting some place for achievement, a benefit of boys and girls who have some achievement awards in New York City.
And then he's ordering from the Trump Hotel where he was.
And she shows her the Trump bill and goes line by line.
Oh, here he's ordering breakfast at 10 o 'clock in the morning for $240 at the very time he's supposedly in L.A. dangling her off a balcony.
And she said, you lied to the men and women of this jury, and it's because you wanted to sue him.
You saw that Cassie sued him for $30 million.
And she included your balcony story.
So you wanted to sue him also.
And you started a lawsuit against him for $10 million.
And the two of you put this story together.
Because that's why sometimes you can't get it straight.
Sometimes it's in her apartment.
Sometimes it's an hotel.
Sometimes you're facing her.
Sometimes he's facing.
Everything is constantly changing.
And you can't even get a date straight.
Because the date that you put in here was a date that he could not be there.
And she said, can someone be in two places at the same time?
And the witness is like.
Like, in theory, it's like, okay, I got nothing further.
So, yeah, that's the motive.
That's the motive, is that they want to sue, that basically the state defense wants us to believe.
That they want to go after his pocket and basically any incidents of abuse that they want to sue him and that she's suing for $10 million and Cassie ended up getting $20 million from him and $10 million from Intercontinental and that this is a way that they're trying to raid his pockets and that if he gets convicted here, it helps bolster her lawsuit, at least with Bonner.
Her lawsuit is still ongoing.
Cassie's is not any longer.
owen shroyer
Whose expert witness was Bonner?
joe nierman
She wasn't an expert witness.
She's an eyewitness.
Because she was a friend.
owen shroyer
Who wanted her to be called to the stand originally?
Who wanted her to be a part of this case?
Was it Comey or was it the defense?
joe nierman
No, we're still on the state's case in chief.
And her testimony was shredded so badly.
In fact, I even left out another moment, which was a terrible moment, which happened on the first day of her being on direct when she was asked about different statements she made to the police and that two days earlier.
She's testifying on June 4th.
On June 2nd, 2025, you told the police, you're not sure about some of the facts with the balcony.
Didn't you tell them that?
Bono says, I don't remember.
So you don't remember what you told the police two days ago, but we're supposed to believe you about what happened nine years ago?
So this is, I mean, it was just horrific.
And my theory, and I'm an attorney, I'm a New York attorney, I practice in this courthouse.
My theory about why she went on the stand, because you have to ask yourself.
If you're Maureen Comey and you see June 2nd, she's saying, I'm hazy about some of these details, why call her?
owen shroyer
You don't want her anywhere near that courtroom.
joe nierman
Yeah, yeah, because all you could do is what she ended up doing, which makes you start questioning whether Cassie and her friends are all in cahoots here.
And the only reason I can think that they called her is that they locked in.
Before this jury in opening statements that they're going to tell us about this balcony story.
So I think what likely happened is they craft their opening statement and they want to tell us about all the hostilities, about the intercontinental and how he's dragging Cassie around and all about the beatings that he did and punching her in the eye and cracking her head open and the people he threatened and the balcony.
And they even dangled a woman off the ledge of a balcony.
That's what they say in opening statement.
Well, now, fast forward two and a half weeks, they're prepping Bonner on June 2nd, and she says, I'm a little hazy about what happened with the balcony.
owen shroyer
Prepping?
It doesn't sound like anyone was prepping her.
joe nierman
Well, they were prepping her, but she makes that statement.
Now you have no choice because you promised the jury you were going to bring her up there.
So I think that they made a mistake of banking on her because she has a long history of drug use.
And she didn't even know how many drugs she took the day of the balcony incident.
She was a drug supplier for Cassie.
She was the one who would buy drugs, bring them to Cassie, and Cassie would pay her and they would do drugs together.
So her memory in general is very hazy.
And I think what happened is once They felt they had no choice to put her up there, even though a couple of days before she's supposed to testify, she's admitting to the police, I'm hazy about what happened that day.
owen shroyer
Well, now the whole thing sounds, because we're already suspicious of Maureen Comey and her agenda as far as this case is concerned.
And now you have this disastrous witness that she called up there.
And I mean, look, if I'm a member of the jury, I'd be probably already biased anyway, but I'd be looking at this and I'd say, okay, well, I have very little to no doubt that Diddy probably did something to Cassie on that balcony.
How extreme it was as far as dangling her off of the balcony, I guess maybe that's open for interpretation.
But considering the proof of violence we already have, how aggressive Diddy was, and some of the other developments, it's like, okay, something probably happened with Diddy and Cassie on that balcony.
You hear the second witness, and if you're a member of this jury, that's just how it goes.
Now you have to doubt it.
And now you have to have reasonable doubt about the balcony story, and that certainly hurts Cassie's testimony.
Were there any other details as far as she says, what did I do?
Were there any other details?
Why Diddy was mad at her?
Was it over a relationship, or what was that about?
joe nierman
She claims, so to be clear, because I might have misspoken, it's Bana the friend who was dangled over the balcony.
The dispute was not Cassie.
The question is whether or not Cassie saw it.
At some points, Cassie implied on her direct that she didn't see her being dangled over.
She only saw Bana after Diddy had thrown her off to the side.
unidentified
The best speculation we can have is to what- Okay, yeah, I had that confused.
owen shroyer
I thought it was, okay, yeah, you've corrected it now.
joe nierman
Yeah.
So the best understanding we can have about this is there's testimony that during the last couple of years of Cassie's relationship with Diddy, that he didn't like her doing drugs with her friends.
He only wanted her doing drugs during freak-offs with him.
owen shroyer
What a nice guy.
joe nierman
Listen, this guy is such a dirtbag.
I mean, he's a genuinely evil person.
We heard from Cassie, and at the end of this week, over the last couple days, we've heard from his second girlfriend, who he was dating between 2021 and 2024.
She only broke up with him when he got arrested.
And it's the exact same story.
This is the way this guy operates.
He basically finds a girl who's a model, a beautiful girl, and...
And he wines and dines them.
And he starts introducing them to drugs.
And he'll dote on them and tell them that they're amazing and spend all sorts of time with them.
owen shroyer
Is this the Obama ecstasy pills?
Are we talking Obama ecstasy pills?
joe nierman
Yes, yes.
He's very big into the ecstasy as a performance enhancer for his women.
So he'll wine and dine them and he'll do that for a couple of months and take them to Turks and Kinko's and take them to the Bahamas.
owen shroyer
They went to Kinko's?
They were making copies?
No, I'm just kidding.
joe nierman
I don't even know what Turks and Kinko's is.
owen shroyer
Turks and Kinko's is like an island.
I think it's an American territory island.
joe nierman
I gotta fix my notes now.
owen shroyer
Kinko's used to be a place you'd go make copies and stuff.
joe nierman
I'm a boomer!
I don't know what tricks in Kinko's.
owen shroyer
Diddy was hanging out making copies at Kinko's.
It was really confusing.
joe nierman
Look, I get it.
owen shroyer
To get you back on track, I got you off track.
The point is, he's whining and dining them.
He's getting them high on ecstasy.
He's flying them around the world.
He's introducing them into this world.
And, you know, these are young women.
They're impressionable.
And it sounds like with the arrest with this girlfriend, it sounds like the arrest was like her out.
It sounded like maybe she was uncomfortable.
Then after the arrest, she was like, okay, I can get out of this now.
joe nierman
Well, when she's describing when Jane, that's a pseudonym for the current witness on direct, she...
And she's obviously deeply in love with him when she's talking about him.
So much so that she continually describes these freak-offs, which she doesn't call them freak-offs, she calls them hotel nights.
And we talked about freak-offs last week when I was here with you.
For those of you who missed that, the freak-offs are what she calls hotel nights.
Are extended sexual marathons where Diddy will sit and observe?
owen shroyer
Is that the one that came out in the headlines today where he forced her to have sex with three men even though she was getting sick?
joe nierman
Yes.
Yes.
That he's forcing her to have sex with multiple men, some of whom she said she found revolting.
And that and that he basically gets them to a place where they're willing to degrade themselves for him.
And the problem for the state is.
1591.
One is that it's commercial sex and the other is that they're forced.
And particularly with Jane, on her testimony, she keeps saying things like, I felt like I had to do this because he's my boyfriend and I want him to be happy.
Well, that's not coercion forcing under the way most people would understand it.
Otherwise, every relationship in the world has people who are caving in to their loved ones as far as them being forced.
But that's all she's saying, and she's said it repeatedly.
It makes you question how on earth the state can get a conviction for USC 1591 that it's sex trafficking.
Now, the state will obviously counter and say that he was drugging her up and that he was he was, you know, he was twisting her arm and getting her on drugs.
So she'd be more compliant and agreeable and that she didn't really have free choice.
They'll also say that she was that she was.
owen shroyer
But they can't make the claim like they could with Cassie, where they have the video evidence of her getting beaten in the hotel.
joe nierman
I mean, there's there.
So there is there is testimony and I actually came out early, so I didn't get to review this afternoon's testimony.
We're certainly expecting to hear direct testimony if it didn't come out late this afternoon about there being physical violence, because during opening statements.
So we're expecting, and I'd be surprised if it didn't come out by this afternoon, we're expecting to hear testimony that he was beating on her.
And that is for a lot of people, myself included, if she's getting beaten up and under fear of getting beaten.
I don't understand how you cannot call that being forced.
However, with her continually talking about how she just wanted to spend more time with Diddy, you can understand the defense on closing coming forward and saying they made a poor choice because they wanted to trade their bodies and degrade themselves.
For what they viewed as the benefit of having intimate one-on-one time with Diddy, and even though it's terrible and it's tragic and it's awful, the reality is that's not being forced.
And if they feel that these women were not forced, they have to acquit under 18 U.S.C.
1591, which is why right now, in my opinion, I think the RICO charges are looking stronger than the trafficking charge, certainly with respect to Jane.
Cassie, really, she seemed like she was trafficked.
owen shroyer
Can Cassie be called back to the stand?
joe nierman
We're not going to be hearing from Cassie again.
They specifically wanted to get her done the first week because she was having a baby.
owen shroyer
Yeah, and now she's had the baby.
But even though they said that, is that even a potential?
joe nierman
One in a hundred.
I'd be very, very surprised if she gets called back because both sides were aware of the fact.
owen shroyer
Could the jury demand it?
joe nierman
There is a say in that.
The case that gets presented is selected by the state and by the defense.
owen shroyer
So the jury can't say, but can they ask for like, can they say, hey, we want to review the testimony again or something like that?
Because to me, I'm looking at this right now and I'm thinking hung jury.
joe nierman
I think there's a really good chance of a hung jury on some of these charges.
owen shroyer
Because to me, you're going to have people that are looking at the color of this and they're just saying.
We got to hit Diddy with something, right?
They're just saying, this thing is so bad, we have to get him with something.
And then you'll have people in there that are going to say, you know, my role as a juror is beyond reasonable doubt.
I have reasonable doubt.
So, you know, to me right now, it looks like this is heading towards a hung jury.
joe nierman
Or there will be likely horse trading.
And we'll never know because we never find out what happened in the jury room.
But sometimes you'll see in situations like this what people call horse trading.
owen shroyer
Well, I'm up against the break.
So let's come back on the other side, explain that concept, and we'll get some final commentary on you before we get you out the door here on a Friday.
Again, my guest, Joe Nierman of GoodLogic.
Does a great job with all of the experience he has in the legal field and working in New York as a litigator.
Follow him on X at TheFollowingPro.
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And we'll be right back to put a bow on this.
All right, we're closing out here with Joe Nierman of GoodLogic, and I wonder if...
Was that all the rage in New York?
That's an interesting one.
That's fun.
joe nierman
Yeah, you wouldn't ask the guy who calls it Turks and Kinkos.
owen shroyer
Well, you know, what's so crazy to me is when you hear these stories...
But you hear the chaotic life of not just Diddy, but the people surrounding him.
Honestly, it sounds miserable.
It's like, how much enjoyment can you get out of going to an island a couple times a year or having a nice penthouse when you're basically living in discomfort 24-7?
But that's not the story that we're talking about here.
joe nierman
So, okay, I'm looking at this and we still got- You know that there's no genuine happiness in a life of pure self-indulgence.
There's never actual happiness there.
Because the only way you actually feel happiness is if you're accomplishing and developing something.
I think at certain times when Diddy had success and supposedly he was addicted to success and crazy hard worker, he just had this crazy fetish and a ridiculous inclination to just be evil and control and dominate women.
But, you know, I think that possibly he might find success I'm sorry to cut you off there on that.
owen shroyer
Well, no, but it is something that we see.
I mean, even you think about other cultural phenomenons, like the movie Wolf of Wall Street, right?
It's like, here's this guy running around, high speed, and then eventually it all catches up to you, right?
I mean, eventually it all catches up to you and you have that moment.
And we'll see what that ends up meaning for Diddy here.
But I was discussing, and I guess we have a little less than a month left here.
They said they wanted to conclude this before July 4th, I believe is the date that the judge put out there.
So a couple more weeks here.
And things can take twists and turns.
But I just look at this and I'm thinking, okay, this is heading towards a hung jury.
Again, you're going to have people that say, hey, we have to get something here.
This guy has to go down for something.
And then you'll have people in there probably thinking, You know, I have reasonable doubts.
I might think he's a bad guy, but I have reasonable doubts that maybe he committed the crimes he's being accused of.
So you were kind of talking about what you called horse trading with the jury and where you think this might go.
joe nierman
Yeah, because to get 12 people to unanimously agree that these women who are professing their love for Diddy were false.
I think that's difficult.
I see in the jury room there are some people who are avid-ditty supporters, and there probably is one or two on the jury themselves who they could see video of him taking a bazooka to someone's head and really not want to convict him on anything.
And then there are others who see the horror that these women suffered, and it is horrific.
No human should go through what either Cassie or Jane have gone through.
And you just want to put this guy away even if he hasn't committed a crime.
So those are your diametrically opposed extremes here.
And obviously, then you have a lot of us who are just trying to figure out, is this actually a crime or is it not?
So I would not be remotely surprised if we see what lawyers refer to as horse trading.
There's three main charges and two lesser charges.
The first charge is RICO.
Then the second and third charges are for sex trafficking.
King, one for Cassie, another for Jane, and then there's fourth and fifth.
That refers to flying in porn stars to engage in these hotel nights with Jane.
So I would say right now that the Ricoh charge, which has a minimum, I think, of 10 and a maximum of life, that that's...
I need to look that back up.
But it's under 18 U.S.C.
1961.
In order to establish a RICO violation, racketeering, what you have to establish is that there's a pattern of illegal activity by an enterprise of multiple persons.
And you only need to convict one.
You don't have to get the entire enterprise.
So even though he's the lone-charged defendant, they could get him individually on RICO.
And you have to establish that he's committed multiple crimes, and there's a pattern of that.
And the crimes they list off, it's almost...
There's kidnapping, which we heard testimony about that.
There's arson, which we heard testimony about Kid Cudi's car.
There's drug trafficking, which we've heard in spades.
Everyone's talking about how he was continually handing out drugs.
There's bribery.
There's extortion.
owen shroyer
Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
I don't know.
I don't see how the RICO charges stick because...
I mean, if they're saying he's doing this for his own, you know, sexual desires or fetishes or whatever, that's one thing.
They're not really getting into like, as far as I know, they haven't really gotten into how he tries to control the artist under his label or how he tries to, you know, blackmail people that he has over to his parties with the videotapes.
I mean, wouldn't that be where the Rico charges come in?
I mean, I'm not hearing anything about this.
joe nierman
You would think so.
You would think you would think that's the way it should be.
This is classic Maureen Comey.
I started touching on this with you with I think last week.
I think I may have.
But just to remind you, the sex trafficking isn't your typical sex trafficking.
Sex trafficking that was this is a statue that was passed in 2000 was designed to stop people from kidnapping people, from kidnapping young girls and then selling them off as sex slaves and reaping the benefits.
What's the motivation there?
The motivation there is financial.
I'm going to basically ruin your life and trade what value these sickos find and are willing to pay for you, and then I'm going to take that money.
So they create elements, and they say, okay, the elements of that are you're forcing someone to engage in sexual activity, and it's got to be commercial sex.
So once we have these two elements of that crime, if you look at what the objective there, the objective of someone violating sex trafficking, their objective is purely money.
I'm going to destroy someone's life for money.
That's what Congress was trying to stop.
In comes Maureen Comey, and she's like, well, I've got this element of forcing.
I've got that element since he's paying people.
So it's commercial sex.
So now I can basically take those two elements, throw them into a big pizza pie here, and then basically serve it up and say that's now sex trafficking as if he's pimping these girls out when his motivation has nothing to do with making money the way your typical pimp would be.
So we have similar with Rico.
And with respect to RICO, we saw the same thing with Donald Trump in Georgia.
What did they do?
Is there a criminal enterprise there they were claiming with him?
No, it's the exact same type of RICO bastardization of what was supposed to be stopping the mob, that what the state does and what these prosecutors do is they say, since the statute is worded this way, it says these are the elements, so I basically pluck this element from there, pluck that element from here, and then I see if I put these elements together, what crime can I charge them with?
And it ends up being the underpinnings of Rico, even though it's not what Rico was supposed to stop.
Rico was supposed to stop the mafia from trying to extort money out of it.
owen shroyer
people and terrorizing you back on track for the sake of time here so so you think so you think well i know you're you know you can talk legal stuff all day you're like me with politics it's a never-ending motor mouth here um so so it sounds like what you're saying is maybe the jury says okay we can't get anything on rico but it looks like we can probably get the um The trafficking charges here.
joe nierman
No, no.
What I'm saying is this, that technically he has no way out of the RICO.
Because he's technically violated Rico.
Even though it's not what Rico was intended for, he's technically violated for it.
So I think they're going to take the sex trafficking and say these women were horrifically destroyed.
And they're going to say, OK, you give us Rico and we'll take and we'll and we'll acquit on the sex trafficking of at least one of them.
But I think they're going to want to put him away because when you see if you watch this trial and you see these women sobbing in the stands and from the stand about what it's like to be his girlfriend and the horror of having to have sex with people they don't want to have sex with.
It's very hard to just say, let's acquit this guy, even though he's going to have sex with.
owen shroyer
I mean, that seems like the open and shut thing, whereas the RICO thing to me, I'm sitting here, I'm saying, where's the enterprise?
Who's exposing what enterprise?
joe nierman
Enterprise just means multiple people who are engaging in a pattern of criminal activity.
So you have to look at what's considered criminal activity.
And they list off eight different things that could be considered criminal activity.
And you have multiple people.
His own bodyguards and security or his agents, his manager going and picking up drugs for him is technically under the law defined as being an enterprise, even though it's not to make money.
It's actually for self-gratification and to burn money.
owen shroyer
I see.
joe nierman
I'm sorry for getting off on that, but it's just that's the reality as to how I foresee this thing is likely to happen.
No one knows what a jury's going to do, but that's how I see it breaking down.
owen shroyer
Very interesting stuff.
All right.
Anything else you want to conclude with before we let you go?
joe nierman
Yeah, if you can.
I promised my chat I was going to do a shout out to them.
If you're interested, I talk politics all the time also.
So I spent all last night talking about Trump versus Elon, which I think is fascinating.
I'd love to talk with you about that sometime.
I stream nightly.
Not only do I cover the ditty trial, but I stream nightly.
I talk politics.
I'm very MAGA-oriented.
If that sort of thing is you enjoy late night, 10 o 'clock in Eastern, I do this.
Four, five, six nights a week.
I'm out there streaming for a couple hours.
My chat is awesome.
I want to do a shout-out to my co-producer, Jim Tells You, who is just awesome, and he brings it when he comes on.
You guys check him out as well.
owen shroyer
Well, let's hear it.
Trump-Elon, what are your takes?
joe nierman
I think the Trump-Elon thing, I think that the big, beautiful bill is pragmatically the best thing that we could probably get through Congress.
Because we have all these stinking rhinos in there, and they're not going to pass it.
And you have such a slim majority in the House and in the Senate that you have to toss them a bone if you want to get anything passed.
So we can decide, do you want to have Trump going out there writing EOs that all get shredded the day that he leaves office or the day some Democrat takes office?
Or do you want to have ICE established in there and able to go out there and get rid of these people?
This bill is not about.
To get past Congress.
So how did they do that?
They said, okay, we want to take care of the security, we want to take care of the military.
So in order to do that, we have to make it an appropriations bill, make it a bill about money.
And by making it a bill about money, now we don't need 60 senators to get this to pass.
We only need 50. So it's not supposed to be a money bill, but that's sort of the backdoor method that the Trump administration has come up with as a way of trying to get it passed through Congress so they can get this legislation.
Now, Elon, I can understand him being ticked off because he's like, look, now you're burning all this money.
I took off from running Tesla and X and SpaceX for the last four months to try and trim money, and here you are blowing it all.
And I think that as far as what MAGA values are, I think Elon is expressing MAGA values in an idealistic perspective.
But I think that him trying to kill that bill, which is pragmatically probably the best way we can help get rid of these illegals, I think that it's short-sighted.
I think Trump got mad about it.
And when Trump called him out, that Elon basically went off the rails in trying to imply that Don had anything to do with Epstein or he should be impeached, which was all crap.
That was all ridiculous lies.
So I think that at the end of the day, the day, we voted for Trump.
We have to stick with Trump.
And I really, really hope that they're able to sort it out because Trump.
So I hope they can sort it out.
I don't know if it's going to happen or not.
And a lot of people speculate that it's all just staged, but that's now...
That's my short perspective of it, is that we need to support Trump here, and that it helps Trump and Elon, assuming even if it is staged, it helps them both if MAGA stays true and says that Trump is our guy, this bill is something that I might not love it, I don't love some of the spending here, but it's certainly important enough that we need to actually move forward in supporting him and getting it to pass through Congress.
owen shroyer
I would say I pretty much agree with most of that.
The only other thing that I kind of have, and this is, I don't know, maybe, what should I say?
Realizing that conservatism in politics is like a dying breed.
So I feel like there is a value of like, hey, okay, we can get the bill passed, but let's not just kill fiscal conservatism with this.
Let's not send the message that, hey, this is how Republicans are going to operate.
Physical conservatism is dead.
So that's the only kind of issue I have.
But otherwise, I think that your analysis is very much paralleled.
To mine today as well.
So, all right, there you go.
We got your policy.
Well, now I know.
Next time I get you on here to talk, Diddy, we'll ask you about political stuff, too.
joe nierman
I hope you do.
I would love to talk with you about that kind of thing.
Actually, you know what?
No, I don't think so.
owen shroyer
I only want people to listen to my political opinions, not yours, okay?
So we're going to just have you on for the legal.
joe nierman
I agree with you, by the way.
We need to fix the whole deficit problem.
The point is that this was not that objective.
I wanted to see our bill.
There we really need to trim, trim, trim, trim, trim aggressively.
owen shroyer
And, you know, they probably could have communicated.
I communicated better to everybody here with the reconciliation approach.
Because when Miller communicated that, it made a little bit more sense to me.
Because you're not going to get any Democrats to vote for anything you do.
So you had to do this with the reconciliation.
So I understood the strategy.
I do think they can produce a better bill.
But now it's up to what's going to happen.
Who's going to make the concessions between Johnson, who represents Trump, really, in these negotiations.
And then the House Republicans and the Senate Republicans.
So we'll see.
Joe, appreciate your time.
Great breakdown as always.
And if anything crazy happens in the Diddy case, we'll get you on next week again.
joe nierman
Take care, brother.
owen shroyer
All right, great stuff there.
Man, all kinds of stuff to talk about today.
We still got the Cash Patel clips.
We still got other political news that has happened here that we want to get to.
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If you knew it was an experimental gene therapy, you wouldn't have taken it.
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Let's get back to the Patel clips here.
Let's go to the longer one where he's talking about the prison cell.
And I guess now they claim they have the new video, which is strange.
But here he is talking about the situation with the prison cell in clip 13. My job is to get you absolutely everything that we can give you, and that's what we're going to do.
joe rogan
When did you become aware of this video that showed that no one had gone in and out of the cell?
kash patel
Recently.
joe rogan
So why was it recent though?
I mean, if this death was, Two years?
kash patel
A couple.
joe rogan
2019?
kash patel
2019.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
Time flies.
So, six years.
kash patel
Well, again, that's part of what I'm going to try to answer for you.
joe rogan
Jeffrey Epstein, jail CCTV erased by technical errors.
Whoopsies.
Yeah.
But you see how anybody on the outside, I mean, this is like a perfect storm.
kash patel
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can you pull that article up so we can read what it says, Jimmy?
U.S. prosecutor said the jail mistakenly saved footage from the wrong cell.
Sorry.
Epstein, a convicted sex offender, first tried to kill himself in July last year and hanged himself in jail.
kash patel
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Reread that line.
joe rogan
That he first tried to kill himself in July of last year.
kash patel
How much of the American public do you think knows that?
joe rogan
I didn't know that until right now.
Maybe I heard it and forgot.
Did you ever hear it, Jamie?
That's why he's on suicide watch, I think.
Oh, okay.
Hang himself in jail in August while serving trial.
owen shroyer
Pause real quick.
Really?
Did most people not know that?
Look, I live in the political world, so I don't assume that everybody knows what I know, but I thought that that was kind of common knowledge in people that were following this story.
Okay, that was just interesting to me.
Continue.
joe rogan
In charge, he pleaded not guilty to abusing dozens of girls, some as young as 14. Soon after Epstein's death in August, two of the CCTV cameras outside his cell had malfunctioned and were being examined by the FBI.
Found semi-conscious in his prison cell with injuries on his neck.
On 25 July after this incident is placed on suicide watch.
kash patel
I'm not saying every single camera in the place was working.
I'm saying we've got footage and you're getting it.
And then you can make up your own mind.
And the theories can continue.
But my job is to give you the information.
joe rogan
So you became aware of this footage recently?
kash patel
The ones that we're looking at, yeah.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And so, but this is like an article from quite a while ago that was saying that the footage was mistakenly erased.
kash patel
Look, I mean, it goes back to the same...
I mean, I get it that you want to hold me to account for their actions.
No, I'm not saying that.
Not you.
joe rogan
I'm not saying that.
kash patel
Not you.
Just the public in general, and that's okay.
joe rogan
What's confusing to everybody today, first of all, it's very confusing because AI can kind of make anything.
You know, which has got to be a bizarre position for you to be in.
When you're looking at videos, I mean, I've watched Viking videos.
It looked real as f***.
You know?
They just make Viking towns.
I mean, it's really quite incredible what they're doing now.
It accelerates every month.
I mean, I talked to Elon about it, and he said we're blown away literally every week.
Every week there's some new breakthrough.
We're like, wow.
We didn't expect that.
kash patel
Well, I can tell you after having looked at it, this ain't going to be AI.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
kash patel
It's just not great.
You know, it's like if it were AI, like someone wanted to come in and make it, they'd make it better.
joe rogan
But why would you make it better when people could, you know, you could have ambiguous footage that is, you know, totally generated by AI?
I mean, AI can generate blurry images.
AI can generate night vision.
AI can generate essentially anything that's already existed.
Like really shitty 1984 VHS tapes.
They can do that.
kash patel
They can.
But I'm telling you.
I'm giving you the tape from the tape.
You know, there's just like I'm giving you the documents from the vault, just like I'm giving you information to Congress on COVID origins or what have you.
What we find is what you're getting.
owen shroyer
Well, you know, there's a couple interesting things there.
So now you have to ask why, who was spiking videos from being released or what was this process of claiming there were no videos?
You have to ask that.
And there's going to be other contradictory reports that come out.
Because the FBI director is obviously not there on the scene.
But the people that run the prison are there.
Now, when you're talking the wee hours of the night, the normal lieutenants and the warden, they're not there.
So they can only deal with whatever they got.
And they were claiming there was nothing.
So these questions are going to remain.
As an aside here, he speaks about the AI video.
Microsoft just made a huge breakthrough in AI video technology.
And this stuff is advancing so fast.
But you're probably going to be hearing about this.
And they kind of want to shift the market now where most of this video technology requires some level of expertise.
It costs money, and it looks like Microsoft is trying to flip the whole thing and make it really simple and cheap, but that's just a different story of something developing.
This is where it has to go from here.
And I got a couple more clips.
We might have some time.
This is where it has to go from here.
You know, I'd love to know what happened inside of the Diddy cell, or excuse me, inside of the Epstein cell, but people are probably never going to believe it, whatever you say.
Produces the evidence that he did kill himself or whatever.
Nobody's going to believe it.
So this issue is at a stalemate.
And it's not even that I'm over it.
It's time to move on and get the answers on who were Epstein's clients.
So the conversation has to shift.
It's no longer about did he kill himself.
It's no longer about what are we going to have as far as video footage or proof that he killed himself.
The conversation is...
Who was Jeffrey Epstein working for?
Who were the clients?
Who were the people going to his island and engaging in these activities recorded on tape in the vault?
What intelligence networks was Epstein working for?
These are the questions.
These are the questions that matter now.
If Epstein is dead, the conversation is never going to get anywhere.
About did he kill himself or not?
Some people are never going to believe it, no matter what you say.
So just give us the client list.
That's what we need to know now.
And we're still supposed to believe what?
There were no clients?
Alright, there's a lot more from the Rogan Patel interview.
I kind of want to move on.
He did announce that he's been swatted.
That was shared with me as part of the investigation.
There were some other big names in politics.
And yet, we don't have any answers on that.
But there'll be a lot more clips.
He talks about some of the other things that are overlooked or not reported about the Trump administration.
But we're going to move on.
And, boy, what else do we have here?
You've got...
So now what ICE is doing...
So they're now showing up at these court hearings because it's just like, you know, that's like shooting fish in a barrel.
So these illegal aliens are showing up for their court hearings, and ICE is basically stationed in the courtroom waiting to arrest them.
So it happened again to New York, and you had leftist protesters show up to try to disrupt ICE arresting ICE.
The illegal aliens.
Here's some footage.
Let's go to the scenes here, guys.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Get on the ground.
Get back.
Get back.
owen shroyer
Some more Democrat inspired aiding and abetting in crime.
More Democrat inspired attacks on law enforcement.
It's absolutely outrageous.
unidentified
Stop resisting.
owen shroyer
Stop resisting.
So now they're going to be doing this in every courtroom.
And they're going to have Democrat activists in every courtroom when they know that ICE is going to be there to make arrests, and they're going to be there disrupting them.
And now you have Hakeem Jeffries running around saying, I should not be allowed to cover their face so that they can dox the agents.
These Democrats are sick people.
And then I guess we have these scenes from Los Angeles, guys.
Can you guys give me a bit of an update here?
I'm seeing this for the first time.
Looks like leftist protesters.
unidentified
Stop resisting.
owen shroyer
Okay, so same thing in Los Angeles.
So same thing just happened in Los Angeles.
And now the FBI has been called in for extra law enforcement here because the leftist protesters showed up to try to stop them from arresting and deporting illegal aliens.
So now, yeah, this is going to happen every courtroom now.
So this is going to happen every courtroom.
And don't be surprised if you hear before the day is over that a couple of Democrat politicians are.
Because they'll probably have some local politicians out there, you know, staging themselves at these places.
So don't be surprised if you hear that.
If not by the end of the day, probably by the end of next week.
Meanwhile, these activist judges are still at it.
Still running wild.
Judge temporarily halts Trump's proclamation blocking Harvard student visas.
By the way, you know, here's an interesting one.
And, you know, we're going to have to make some very tough decisions, and it's going to seem a little cold, but this is all for survival of the country.
Why haven't we blocked people coming in from China?
I'm just curious.
Seems like that would be an obvious one.
China, and I'm not saying everybody that comes here from China is bad.
I'm not.
I met a couple people from China when I was in college.
Very nice people.
Got along very well with them.
Very smart.
And I don't want to sit here and create this thing where we're demonizing Chinese people either.
And yet, you'd think, you know, okay, we're blocking the countries that send terrorists here.
We're blocking the countries that want to send people here to, you know, blow up Jews and everything else.
Okay, that's good.
I mean, honestly, we should have a total immigration moratorium.
But you'd think China would be the one.
China is sending professors here that are agents of the CCP.
They're sending students here that are agents of the CCP.
They just got busted trying to engage in agricultural terrorism, which how many times have they done it and got away with it?
I don't understand why China isn't on that list.
Seems like that'd be kind of an important one to add there.
But maybe that's a little too tough when you're trying to have negotiations with China.
I don't know.
Also, Obama judge extends order blocking Department of Education from canceling COVID-19 school funding.
So they're still stealing COVID money.
Very nice.
All right, joining me now in the studio is Ben Bankus.
and I was telling him before he sat down, I've been following him for probably about four or five years now.
His stuff started to catch tread, get viral on X. And he, I guess some of the funniest stuff, And you'd go to like a fake political ad.
And I think some people actually thought it was real.
ben bankas
Yeah, but it was real.
owen shroyer
Oh, but how'd the campaign go?
ben bankas
I got 207 votes.
owen shroyer
That's more than I got.
ben bankas
Yeah?
owen shroyer
I got zero votes that I know of.
I don't know.
I could have been written in once.
ben bankas
I had people, yeah.
Yeah, people voted for me.
But I just basically, yeah, it was for fun, but...
owen shroyer
Well, that's what makes comedy so great, is there has to be some element that ties it to reality, right?
I mean, that's why we have to find a way to laugh at all of this stuff.
And I guess, you know, you were saying too, Austin is one of the biggest places for comedy now.
I mean, do you think, is Austin the comedy headquarters of North America, do you think?
ben bankas
I think it is.
I think a lot of people are in denial about it.
People in New York and LA, because they come and they're like, this is amazing, but they're like, nah, I can't.
I can't move.
Some people do.
owen shroyer
I know a lot.
I know quite a few comedians that have moved down here.
And a lot of us now are kind of in the same political realm.
Not that we agree with everything politically, but we don't like political correctness.
we can laugh at a good joke.
So there's kind of a similar nature here between MAGA political people and then comedians that want to be able to make...
There's kind of a common thread between the two groups.
ben bankas
Yeah, I mean, what's controversial is shifting, too, because you know what I mean?
People are talking about Palestine now pretty openly.
Certain things are less offensive than other things.
Certain things that people on the right are getting offended at, too.
You know what I mean?
So it's, it's, but...
So I think that's pretty badass.
owen shroyer
I think Rogan is kind of the thing that made it happen, you know?
ben bankas
Oh, for sure.
owen shroyer
And once he created his club, and then Austin is, you know, it's becoming a bigger city too.
But when you think about the culture of New York and L.A., did it get to a point where it was almost uncomfortable to go there and do a comedic bit that you thought might get backlash?
ben bankas
Well, the thing is, if you have a following, pretty much the people that like your stuff are going to come to those shows that you put on.
But if you're just doing random shows, then you can run into some stuff where people get upset or walk out.
I had a woman here cry.
owen shroyer
Cry?
ben bankas
Yeah, I didn't even know she cried.
I didn't even talk to her.
I just made a joke.
And then a day later, one of the door guys was like, yeah, a woman left your show crying.
owen shroyer
Went to a comedy show and cried.
ben bankas
I only did 15 minutes.
owen shroyer
Did she know she was at a comedy show?
Was she confused?
ben bankas
I mean, a lot of people are confused right now.
They don't know where they are at all.
And then they go to a comedy show being like, this will be a good cathartic moment for me.
And then something traumatic that is brought up and they freak out.
owen shroyer
I would expect if you are going to a comedy show that you should probably be ready to be offended.
ben bankas
Yeah, you'd think that, but that's, I mean, in New York, certain places, people go there with the opposite.
You know, they're like, I'm going here knowing I won't be.
Certain places, because it even advertises that.
owen shroyer
So then what's funny?
How do you, you know, Jerry Seinfeld has actually talked about that.
It's like, how can I, if I'm trying to be a comedian and I'm trying to be edgy, how can I go to some of these comedy clubs and feel comfortable to make a joke that I want to make?
ben bankas
I think most of the actual comedy clubs are pretty open to, like, whatever.
But when you get to the bigger cities, there's a lot of comics running shows and, like, little bars and little things.
And that's where I think there's more people getting offended, comics getting angry at other comics for saying a joke that's offensive.
And, you know, I'm from Canada originally.
They have Just for Laughs.
Just for Laughs has been very censored.
It's in Toronto, and the main one was in Montreal.
I think they're doing it again.
They went bankrupt.
And then they, I don't know if they're even back, but they're, they were always, you know, woker with the Canadian comics than the American comics.
Like an American comic that's offensive, but sells tickets can headline the event, but a Canadian comic that's offensive and, you know, is at the level that all, you know, of the comics that they choose, which is usually like they choose comics.
comics for new faces and things like that.
People have been in it for...
owen shroyer
I don't know if it's for that reason.
ben bankas
It's changed.
They used to just...
Canada used to be...
That's why I did comedy the way I do, because when I grew up, it was...
That's what was funny, being silly and saying things you don't necessarily mean to...
owen shroyer
But it's so obvious.
It's like, here you are in Canada.
And, you know, most of your representation isn't even Canadian anymore.
So it's just like, oh, okay, that's funny.
ben bankas
Yeah.
No, when I go to Canada, there's a lot of good jokes that get made about fucking all kinds of things.
The Indians, the Indian politicians.
owen shroyer
I mean, that was the funniest part to me.
When you were making fun of all the Asians and all the Indians that basically run Canadian politics now.
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
It's just, that's funny.
ben bankas
It is funny.
owen shroyer
It's not offensive, it's funny.
ben bankas
I think it's funny.
I think they probably secretly think it's funny.
I've been talking about that, that the mayor of Toronto, who I made fun of, she's seen my videos.
She's seen how viral they are.
So now she just does more of a Chinese accent on purpose.
owen shroyer
She went even further.
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
What was her name again?
ben bankas
Olivia Chow.
owen shroyer
Chow.
That was the one.
ben bankas
The original one was Teresa Tam.
That was the Chinese doctor.
It was Canada's Dr. Fauci, but she was Chinese.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
She's the one that kind of looks like an orc, right?
She's very orcish.
ben bankas
I used to say she looked like Jar Jar Binks.
owen shroyer
Either way, it's not good.
ben bankas
Whatever it is.
She was famous for doing the have sex with a mask on.
owen shroyer
Oh, yeah.
Very intimate.
ben bankas
Wear a mask for sex.
That was a big thing.
owen shroyer
That's really what you want.
What you want is your politicians telling you how to be intimate with your partner.
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
That's what you're looking for in a politician.
ben bankas
Yeah, I mean, Canada is, Just being in it while all that crazy politics is happening is exhausting.
owen shroyer
Yeah, well, it's crazy, too, to think we even went through that.
I talk about that a lot.
It just seems like it was such a foreign world that we even lived through all that.
There's your tour dates right there, by the way, if you want to catch Ben.
I've seen a lot of his stuff that goes viral on the Internet.
I'm telling you, you're going to have a good laugh.
If you go to one of his shows.
Well, it's great to have you here in Austin.
Now, the one thing, well, actually, there's two things I want to talk about.
We'll talk about more of some Canadian politics.
But I wanted to talk about this Dave Portnoy meltdown.
And I think that, you know, this is kind of where the rubber meets the road.
Now, the controversial topic right now is, right, you said Palestine and Jews and finding a way to fit comedy into that.
And these things change.
Sometimes it's the trans stuff.
Dave Chappelle used to talk about that.
So it kind of, you know, I think it changes.
Depending on what's going on politically, it changes.
But Portnoy is now arguing.
I'll just go ahead and play the clip, and then we can show you the hypocrisy of Portnoy, which is obvious.
But here's Portnoy claiming, literally says it.
He does not think you should be able to make Jew jokes here in clip two.
unidentified
Kirk, if you just want me to kick him out and not mention it, not care that this can be anti-Semitic, shut up!
If you just want me to ignore it, Shut the fuck up, you bald fuck.
Okay, go ahead.
owen shroyer
How's that?
unidentified
Oh, it's killer.
I'll never recover.
owen shroyer
He's an anti-bald-eyed.
unidentified
I'll never recover.
Well, you're the one who's like, oh, big boss man, don't tell.
I'll tell you, you work for me.
Okay, go ahead, continue.
You little bitch, you work for me.
owen shroyer
Sure, you bet.
unidentified
For now, continue.
For now, quit.
I don't care.
Is this a show or not a show?
Like, is this a show or not a show?
Like, we can't have a conversation?
You're an idiot.
Okay.
You're literally saying people should be allowed to make Jew jokes, say whatever they want right now.
Yes, I think people should be allowed to make jokes.
So how many motherfucking Jews have to be killed before you stop?
owen shroyer
Now, I'll show some other clips that just show the hypocrisy of Portnoy here.
But he says, you literally think you should be able to make Jew jokes right now.
So you literally think you shouldn't?
So when you hear stuff like this, what goes through your mind?
Does that make you more inclined to make a Jew joke?
ben bankas
I mean, that was funny.
owen shroyer
It was a funny crash out.
ben bankas
Whatever he just did there, that was comedic genius.
owen shroyer
Massively viral.
I don't think it was intentional comedy, though.
ben bankas
Does that guy work for him that he was shitting on?
owen shroyer
Yes.
And he still does.
But I think Portnoy was dead serious.
ben bankas
I mean, he's just pissed off because some guy said fuck the Jews to him when he was in Toronto.
And which is kind of funny because everybody thinks Canada is like so nice.
And then you go there and then like...
Like, fuck the juice.
owen shroyer
We got too much cussing here.
We're on terrestrial radio.
We do have a dump button.
No, it's all good.
It's all good.
Well, here's what they don't understand.
Or I guess maybe Portnoy doesn't understand this.
It's like, it's not even, it's not even like an anti-Semitic thing.
It's almost not even about Jews.
It's like the more you tell us not to do something, especially with young kids, right?
The more you say, hey, don't say that, don't...
Like, they're just saying what they know is going to piss you off, and then there you are in the video, your head, your beet red like a tomato here, reacting to it.
ben bankas
Yeah, I mean, I don't really know what he means in terms of don't do Jew jokes anymore.
Maybe he means, like, I don't think he's talking about jokes.
I think he means, like, actual, but even then, it's like, I think you should just be allowed to say whatever, and then somebody else can say something back.
If the joke's funny, do it.
I mean, for stand-up, I don't know if he's talking specifically about stand-up either, or, like, I think he's just talking about across the board.
owen shroyer
I think he's talking about in any aspect.
ben bankas
I would keep making them.
I've always made them.
But the thing is, you can never please anybody.
Like, as a comic, people will come to the show and they'll be like, it was really funny, maybe less Jew jokes, but I, like, keep the other...
Somebody will say...
owen shroyer
That's actually funny.
ben bankas
Or then somebody will come and say...
You know what I mean?
Like, because there'll be whatever they're, That's actually funny.
owen shroyer
It's like, yeah, I did a comedy show, and I finished, and somebody came up to me afterwards, and they said, could there be less Jew jokes?
But I didn't say any Jew jokes.
It's like, could you do less?
I didn't seem to say one.
ben bankas
Well, recently I did a show in Boston and I did a joke about the Boston bombing and there was a woman who had...
She was in the crowd.
She had lost her leg in the bombing.
owen shroyer
No way.
ben bankas
Yeah.
No way.
owen shroyer
She was one of the like...
There's like only 20 people.
I mean, that's a very small.
ben bankas
Yeah, it was.
So I had to double down.
owen shroyer
Did things blow up?
ben bankas
Well, that's what I said.
I was like, what, do you want me to bomb?
I mean, she wouldn't like that.
But they...
I mean, you know, I thought she had fun, and then after she was a little...
I was like, were you with her during when that happened?
He was like, no, we met after.
I'm like, oh, so you got a pretty weird fetish then.
I was talking about, you know, whatever.
Jerk me off with your foot.
Some people might be offended by that.
She was a little offended.
But, you know, if you can make fun of a woman who's lost her leg in a terror attack, you can make fun of Jews.
You can make fun of anybody.
And Jews like it.
owen shroyer
But isn't that the point, though?
It's like, we're here to have a laugh, you know?
We're here to have a laugh.
It's not personal.
ben bankas
If I'm a Jew going to a comedy show, I hope there's a couple Jew jokes.
You know what I mean?
Like, I guess if they're like, you know, every last Jew on Earth should be burned alive, you know, I mean, maybe you'd be like, oh, yeah, maybe, oh, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Holy pay.
But, I mean, I don't even know.
ben bankas
I don't know what Portnoy's specifically talking about.
owen shroyer
Well, I think specifically in this reference, so he's doing one of his pizza reviews, and somebody walks by, and there's a group behind him, and somebody walks by and says, F the Jews.
Now, look, I don't know who the guy is, but I think it's a pretty fair answer.
It's probably a fair assumption that this guy doesn't actually hate Jews or even care about Jews or think about Jews.
He just knows if I say this.
ben bankas
And then he did.
I think he was just referencing that at Portnoy's bar, somebody like a month before, remember they bought a sign?
There was a sign that said that exact thing.
So he was just saying that because that's what was said there, and he freaked out last time.
And if anything, it's like, bro, like...
owen shroyer
But you know what?
Just to show the hypocrisy of Portnoy here, here's a couple clips to just show how hypocritical he is in this.
Let's actually, let's first go to the exact same broadcast here where he's saying nobody should be allowed to make Jew jokes.
You know, that's odd considering he made, was this a joke in clip three?
unidentified
Gaza, we can do unnamed.
ben bankas
You can be live in Gaza.
unidentified
I'll jump on Greta Van Thorsten or whatever that girl.
She's sailing there.
Whoever that f***.
I hope they hit a f***ing missile on her boat.
Well, I hope they hit a missile.
owen shroyer
So here's Portnoy saying he wants to blow up Greta Thunberg with a missile.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
But don't make a Jew joke.
ben bankas
I mean...
I would do both.
Personally, I don't think that he...
This is his podcast?
owen shroyer
I can't keep up with what Barclay is.
ben bankas
I think it's crazy that he didn't know what Greta Thunberg's name was.
Or is it Thunberg?
owen shroyer
Yeah.
Thunberg.
ben bankas
But it's crazy to be like, what's her name?
Yeah, blow her up.
Honestly, that's a good bit too.
owen shroyer
His brain is malfunctioning so bad now, I just don't think he can think clearly.
And I think he knows how bad he looks, but he has no other choice.
ben bankas
Or it's a choice, and he knows that it's going to get a lot of views, and there's certain people that respect it, you know, that he might, right?
Like, certain people are going to watch it and be like, yeah, you're right.
Just like people are watching this.
owen shroyer
You know, Myron Gaines had a good take on it, and I think it's totally right, but...
I don't know if you follow his stuff, but he had a good take.
The point is that, you know, the whole Barstool sports...
He's a Boston sports fan.
And then, well, okay.
So the audience for Barstool Sports is like, you know, young guys, millennials, Gen X maybe.
But it's like kind of the edgy guys.
The guys like to drink beer, go to the sports bar, gamble on sports.
It's a very degenerate culture, but whatever.
do whatever you want, but it's like, This is where we draw the line.
ben bankas
Yeah, I mean, I don't even think he's probably not doing that.
I think he might have just had a crash out, and if you were to talk to him, I'd actually be like, no, you can make it, but I'm just angry.
I think he's just mad, and, you know, if you're mad and rich, sometimes you just say, you're like, you know what, fuck it.
No more of this.
No more fat jokes.
I've had enough.
It's like a fat kid coming back to school after being bullied and be like, no more fat jokes.
owen shroyer
What about this one here?
What kind of jokes would Dave Portnoy defend?
Let's find out.
Clip four.
unidentified
You posted the following on your site.
I never condone rape, but if you're a size six and you're wearing skinny jeans, you kind of deserve to be raped.
ben bankas
Correct.
unidentified
I stand by that.
I think it's a funny joke.
You think rape is funny?
No, I didn't say that.
I think it's a funny joke.
Do you understand how offensive that is?
No, I obviously don't.
owen shroyer
I mean, that's kind of funny.
ben bankas
That's what I'm saying.
I don't think he really means it.
I think he's just...
Everybody's losing it.
I think that he needs to step back and kind of just chill.
Maybe not skip the pod for a couple weeks.
I don't know, like we're in a very crazy climate where if you're not taking care of You'll just go insane.
owen shroyer
Yeah, you won't even realize it.
ben bankas
And then you'll just be screaming, no more of this, no more of that, get rid of this, get rid of that.
And that's kind of what the forces that be want.
They want people to start self-censoring and self- basically do communism yourselves and then we don't have to do it.
Yeah.
Top down, it's like bottom up.
owen shroyer
Well, I've talked to some other people, and I think even, and Rogan talked about this too, but it seems like that culture, specifically the one that Rogan was referencing and a couple other people I've talked to that are getting specials on there, like I think Kill Tony's about to get a special on there.
You know, Netflix is now kind of saying, okay, the whole woke thing didn't really work, and now we're going to open up the doors.
And when Rogan got his most recent comedy deal, he asked them, he said, okay, you know, what are the boundaries here?
What are, you know, is there anything you guys want me to lay off?
And they said, nope, do it, do whatever you want.
So it sounds like the door is kind of opening again.
And it's just, I don't know, do you think the strategy is now that it's open, you just blow it open and you just go all in?
Or do you kind of allow them now to say, well, wait a second, maybe we need to inch it closed a little bit?
ben bankas
I think blow.
Popular people who have popular followings, who are doing good work on their own and independent work, they deserve to be on the bigger platform.
If it's getting millions of views, I think it deserves to be on the bigger platform.
So I don't think it really matters what people are saying on there.
I think that if a Democrat came to me and was like, what do we do?
How do we fix?
Like, how do we ever win again?
You know, because they're worried that they might not win.
The Elon Trump stuff, maybe that's kind of giving them a little hope, the argument that they've had.
But if I were to say how to win, I'd be like, just let people say whatever they want.
Don't censor them.
Stop talking about gay and trans stuff.
You know what I mean?
And just, like, legalize weed or something, and then you'll probably win.
Not saying that's right or wrong.
owen shroyer
But can Democrats even be funny anymore?
ben bankas
Yeah, they can.
I've laughed at some people.
owen shroyer
there.
ben bankas
I've laughed at it.
But I've laughed at things that I don't necessarily agree with politically that I still find funny.
owen shroyer
But I mean, can I How does a liberal hit the comedy scene if they're truly a modern-day woke liberal?
How do they hit the comedy scene and make jokes that people enjoy?
ben bankas
A lot of it becomes, like, a lot of them talk about personal stuff.
owen shroyer
So it's like self-deprecation type stuff.
ben bankas
A little bit.
Or like, so I'm non-binary, and I've, you know, struggled with...
I don't know what...
I literally don't know.
Because I don't watch them.
But I have a couple of friends who are like kind of liberal, but they're still saying offensive stuff.
But it's, you know, it's.
Sorry, I'm not supposed to swear.
On a ballot box, I wouldn't agree with it, but I would agree with it just in the moment laughing.
owen shroyer
If something is funny, something is funny.
It's not even about a statement if you agree or disagree.
If it's funny, it's funny.
ben bankas
If it's funny, it's funny.
Democrats had to kind of take...
People on the other side have been able to say the R word and other words that are bad words.
Can we say that?
owen shroyer
We say retard.
ben bankas
Okay, we can say retard.
owen shroyer
Yeah, retard and faggot is good here.
ben bankas
Oh, okay.
owen shroyer
Both acceptable on terrestrial radio.
ben bankas
So retard and faggot, when you say that, you have a bit of an advantage with a general crowd.
See, the thing is, people going to see comedy randomly in New York are going to be more liberal than if you're actually a touring comic making money.
Because you're going to different comedy.
You're going to Minnesota.
owen shroyer
Do you have to think about that?
ben bankas
Like, about what?
owen shroyer
If you're performing in a liberal city versus maybe an area that's not so liberal.
Or do you still do your bit?
ben bankas
I think funny is funny.
Sometimes they're a little more shocked, and then you've got to be a little more educational.
Like, hey, look, this is how I...
I don't want to be racist.
But I was, you know, I was born like this.
It's like the trans people, right?
They're like, you know, it's not a choice.
They were born like that.
owen shroyer
You actually are Asian now, aren't you?
I think you identify as Asian now.
ben bankas
I identify.
Yeah, I have dressed up like an Asian person.
owen shroyer
Yeah, which was probably very offensive.
There you are as actually an indigenous monkey.
You've also been a monkey.
Oh, that's a Kamala Harris bit?
Oh, good God.
ben bankas
Yeah, we had to stop doing that because we couldn't get booked in Portland.
They didn't like the monkey.
owen shroyer
Well, you know what?
Portland is not so much of a miss anymore, unfortunately.
Alright, we'll be right back.
We've got a short break.
If you want to find his shows, Ben Bankis Comedy.
I'm telling you, he's hilarious, folks.
I've been following him for years.
Good time.
Glad to have him in Austin.
We'll be right back after this.
Alright, we're having fun with Ben Bankis in studio.
If he's coming to your town, go see him.
You'll have a good time.
Actually, I was going to ask you this before I get into the Canada issue.
How much more of it now when you're doing...
your comedy routine, because every once in a while, I'll go to a comedy club here if I know somebody that's coming through town.
Another funny Canadian is Ryan Long.
He comes through every once in a while.
I don't know if you know him.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
And I think the two times I've seen him, it's happened both times where somebody in the audience, you know, wants to pipe up and make a statement.
How much now is that part of the routine?
Do you have to, is that something you have to prepare for more now than say in the past, expecting there to be somebody in the audience that gets triggered or wants to, Try to jab you back?
ben bankas
I mean, comedy's always been like that.
Not everybody who's coming is a genius.
owen shroyer
I realize that on social media.
ben bankas
There's a lot of retards that come to comedy and they love you, but they're still retarded.
but they think you're retarded too, but then you show up and you're not as retarded as they thought you were.
So then they're like, eh, yeah, yeah.
They're intoxicated.
They want you to do a specific bit.
I had a guy in Detroit who's like, I started talking about black people and he's like, do the hotel bit.
He just started saying that.
It's like a bit from six months ago that I don't do anymore that's already been viral a few times.
So it's like, I'm not doing that.
You know what I mean?
But then you gotta figure out a way to not go full Dave Portnoy.
owen shroyer
I like that now.
It's a whole reference.
ben bankas
Which is fun.
It is fun to...
I mean, as long as people don't see it, I guess.
owen shroyer
You could work that into your routine.
ben bankas
It's not great.
all stand-up comedy is is trying not to go full Dave Portnoy the whole time.
Yeah, yeah, that's good.
owen shroyer
Going full Portnoy.
ben bankas
Yeah, yeah, it's...
Somebody starts talking, they just kind of kick them out.
owen shroyer
So you don't deal with it as much.
ben bankas
But some clubs don't have that security.
Or the security's like, ugh, I know if I'm going to talk to him that I'm going to have to actually throw him out because he's not going to want to leave.
And so those clubs give them more time.
It's all different.
owen shroyer
Do you prefer the interaction or do you prefer, hey, shut up, I'm up here doing my bit?
ben bankas
One interaction, I say something really funny, everybody laughs, and then we move on.
And then if they keep going, then it becomes like...
Because then you can't really get going with the next thing.
owen shroyer
It's like you need that closure.
It's like you need to have the final blow.
ben bankas
Those guys are just losers.
want the whole show to be about them because fucking life sucks.
So they come out and they're just like, I'm gonna...
Or, you know, sometimes you have fans that are...
I think they're kind of jealous They come and they want to ruin the show.
owen shroyer
I also think there's an element of...
It's like, I'm gonna make the show about me.
ben bankas
Or they think that if I interrupt, I'm going to go viral in his clip because he's filming.
So there is a bit of that.
I mean, it's the name of the game.
I think it used to be worse than it is now.
owen shroyer
See, I'm the opposite.
When I go to a comedy show, I'm like, don't look at me.
Don't reference me.
I don't want to be in the show at all.
I don't even want anything to do with it.
Other people are like, oh yeah, I want to be in the show.
I want to be called out.
I'm like, I don't want to be called out by a comedian.
That's the last thing I want.
ben bankas
It's a good snapshot of society because it's never everybody.
It's always just one or two people.
So everybody else is just like you.
They're sitting there like, oh, Jesus.
owen shroyer
Like, oh, is he going to make fun of my shirt?
Is he going to make fun of my hair?
Is he going to make fun of my girlfriend being ugly or whatever?
ben bankas
But now that I'm doing clubs that are better and people are coming to see me, they take it a little more seriously where they'll shut it down if it gets crazy versus before, like when I was touring Canada as a no-name act.
But still headlining or whatever.
You deal with worse, because they really don't give a shit.
owen shroyer
Like I said, I don't know if it changes, but at one point it seemed like, and I just mostly see the stuff that goes viral, at one point it seemed like the thing that was getting audiences triggered was race-based jokes.
Then it was the trans stuff.
Now maybe it's...
I haven't really seen that other than Pointnard crashing out, though, so I don't know if that's a real thing.
But I saw all the time, I'm sure you did too, a race joke would get somebody in the audience triggered, they'd blow up.
A trans joke would get somebody in the audience triggered and they'd blow up and they'd be escorted out.
I mean, I guess, I don't know, part of me would feel like I'd kind of lean into that.
Like, I'd kind of almost want that.
You do.
ben bankas
I mean, when it happens, you're kind of happy because you know that you don't have, you can just kind of.
It could be this type of show where I'm just making fun of some guy for everything about him and making him feel bad, which is very entertaining.
owen shroyer
And it just maybe goes viral.
ben bankas
It's like verbal gladiator at that point.
owen shroyer
Verbal gladiator.
ben bankas
That's what it is.
People kind of like that.
As a comic, it depends where you're at with your act.
If I'm killing with the act and it's an hour or it's 55 minutes and it's It's great, and I'm going to be a little bit more pissed off if somebody tries to ruin it than if I have half an hour.
I just put out a special, so I only have 25 minutes, and then I'm like, okay, let's just deal with this guy for 20 minutes.
So it really depends.
Comedy has always had hecklers.
It's always had idiots.
Because comedy clubs have always been in places like malls and strip malls, and they're accessible places anybody can go.
And you can drink, so other people get hammered.
And that's part of the fun, is you come to my show, you have a couple drinks, you witness me being hilarious, and then you witness other people being psychotic.
owen shroyer
You've got a bunch of shows coming up in Colorado.
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
You'll be hanging out there for a minute.
ben bankas
South Denver.
owen shroyer
Oh, wow.
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
What kind of jokes can you make in Denver?
What was the big story in Denver?
Maybe an illegal immigrant thing?
Oh, yeah.
You could be like, I'm calling ICE.
I know there's at least 30 illegal immigrants in this show.
ben bankas
Yeah, the Venezuelans.
Was it the Guatemalans or Venezuelans?
owen shroyer
Yeah, the gangs taking over the hotels.
ben bankas
Yeah.
I mean, Denver's got a...
Most cities you go to are run by liberal people.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
But I think about the type of people that will go, like, San Antonio is on the list, St. Louis is on the list.
Like, yeah, those cities are blue, but they're not...
the culture there is not as much liberal.
Like you go out and people aren't really...
You'll get, like, maybe, like, a fat conservative.
ben bankas
They're just Mexican.
owen shroyer
In San Antonio, yeah.
Not St. Louis.
ben bankas
You won't have any Mexicans there.
No, not St. Louis.
owen shroyer
It's going to be mostly whites and blacks.
ben bankas
Yeah, it's...
Dude, people don't...
And then I've had people who are like, I'm liberal, or my friend was liberal, she wanted to leave, but I told her to stay, and then she ended up enjoying it.
owen shroyer
I don't want any politics.
ben bankas
These are jokes, and I really don't get that deep into it where it's to the point...
owen shroyer
Well, you know what's so crazy about it?
The atmosphere has changed so much, and maybe it's going back a little bit, but it didn't used to matter.
I don't know.
I feel like the 90s, the early 2000s, it didn't really matter.
It was like, okay, we're going to do a joke about whatever we want.
I mean, I remember watching movies that were almost like 80% of the comedy was just white comedy, just bashing white people like Undercover Brother is a good example.
Movie's hilarious.
I laughed the entire movie.
Most of the jokes are white.
It's like, so what is this?
When did we decide we're going to start being offended by things and we can't just laugh and have a good time?
ben bankas
COVID.
Well, Trump's first term was a big thing because people were just hot.
Everybody was angry and pissed off.
He said this.
And then COVID happened and people were locked inside for three years.
You know, all went mentally insane and, you know, offended.
And then people had to, like, look at themselves in the mirror.
And, you know, in the 90s, it was like, you'd make fun of a Chinese person.
They'd be like, ha-ha, that's funny.
And then now they had to look in the mirror.
They're like, oh, fuck, my eyes do look weird.
You know what I mean?
owen shroyer
You make fun of somebody in the crowd for being, you know, obese.
they go lose some weight.
You know, you make a bunch of I'm not skinny.
ben bankas
Right.
Or, like, Indians.
Like, you know, they had to stay at home, too.
Lockdown.
They probably realized, holy fuck, we do smell like shit.
Our house smells really bad.
owen shroyer
Thank you, Ben Benkis.
unidentified
I finally decided to get some shampoo and soap.
ben bankas
Well, that's in Canada.
Like, we have the day one Indians.
You guys have, like, the engineers and doctors.
We have, like, the, you know, guys shitting in the river.
owen shroyer
Do you really?
Is that really bad up there?
ben bankas
Yeah, I mean, it's...
owen shroyer
They haven't learned yet.
Yeah, that's an interesting point because I see there is a lot of jokes.
There's a lot of Indian jokes and people, you know, they use the Pajit thing, right?
They talk about the Jeets.
And I'm like, I don't know.
I've never really experienced that.
The Indians that I've met and see in America aren't really like that.
ben bankas
They're pretty well adjusted.
No, Canada just has like day one.
Like literally people have arrived in the last like five years and they have their own community so they don't actually integrate.
owen shroyer
Do you try their street food?
ben bankas
Their street food is all the food now.
Every restaurant has Indians working at it.
owen shroyer
But would you eat Indian street food before going on stage?
ben bankas
If I want to shit?
owen shroyer
It's a pretty big risk.
ben bankas
I wouldn't...
No, I mean, I don't even really...
I wouldn't eat any street food.
I would never even probably go to India based on the TikToks I've seen.
I'm good with just watching a dude go.
You ever watch those videos where they just go and you're like, eh, good enough.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
Or the girls will go there.
There's a blonde girl walking around there.
ben bankas
We know what happens then.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
ben bankas
Crowbar to the head and gang rape on a bus.
owen shroyer
Is that supposed to be a joke?
I don't know why I'm laughing.
ben bankas
Well, I see this is what people, then they go, that wasn't a joke.
How could he say something like that?
But then the other part of the audience is like, eh, pretty good joke.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
Like I said, there always has to be some element of truth, right?
There has to be some element of truth for it to be funny.
ben bankas
The joke is, it doesn't happen every time, but eh.
It has happened.
It could happen.
owen shroyer
Like, yeah, that's kind of a real thing.
All right, well, how bad is it really in Canada?
I saw this the other day, and you know what?
I lost the post with the numbers.
I think the numbers are in this video.
A dairy farmer in Ontario says he's better off selling cocaine than raw milk.
Guys, let me see clip one real quick.
unidentified
As a dairy farmer in Ontario, I'd be better off trying to sell cocaine than sell raw milk.
owen shroyer
So if you sell raw milk, it's almost a million in fines, three years imprisonment.
You sell cocaine, zero in fines, and I think a couple months imprisonment.
Is it that bad?
ben bankas
I mean, am I crazy to...
owen shroyer
I don't know.
ben bankas
Is that really not crazy?
owen shroyer
I don't know if that's true or not.
I'm not too familiar.
ben bankas
I think you're talking about raw milk because they have some sort of restrictions on...
owen shroyer
They're good here in Texas.
ben bankas
Do you drink raw milk?
owen shroyer
Yeah.
Yeah, that's all I drink.
ben bankas
You don't drink water?
owen shroyer
No, okay.
ben bankas
Oh, okay.
owen shroyer
I don't drink the pasteurized milk.
I even quit drinking all the different, like, nut milks and everything because they add a bunch of...
estrogen or something yeah and then the one thing that got that they found out recently which was a carcinogen was um what's the name of it?
ben bankas
They put all kinds of...
I don't know.
Who is that guy, too?
Like, he's selling other milk.
He's in a farm.
owen shroyer
Yeah, well, I'm sure he's pasteurizing his milk, and that's how he can sell it.
ben bankas
Right.
owen shroyer
But he's like, if there's somebody that comes to me and they want raw milk, I can't sell it to them.
I'm risking a million in fines and three years in jail.
I don't think the laws are that bad here, but there's certain places where they won't let you sell it.
They won't let you cross state lines with it.
It's just ridiculous.
It comes out of a damn animal.
So what, if I go to a cow and I start going right to the teat, I go right to the udder, am I a criminal?
ben bankas
I mean, this guy looks like he should be in jail anyway.
owen shroyer
He looks like he probably sells cocaine, actually.
ben bankas
He probably does.
owen shroyer
He knows from experience.
He's like, alright, I've been arrested for cocaine and milk and it's worse with milk.
ben bankas
All I know is that I wouldn't drink Indian titty milk.
Is that illegal?
owen shroyer
Give it a try.
They love cows in India, so they have to love raw milk.
ben bankas
Yeah, they must.
owen shroyer
You'd think it'd be part of some sort of a worship deal.
Maybe they should try bathing in it.
Just an idea.
ben bankas
Raw milk's illegal in Canada if you bathe an Indian in it.
owen shroyer
That's the only way.
ben bankas
I don't know anything about raw milk.
I've tried it.
It tasted really good.
But what's the issue with it?
It could kill you, right?
owen shroyer
It's all BS.
It's the same health institutions that tell you to take a COVID vaccine.
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
You know?
That's all it is.
They don't want you to be healthy.
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
I think that if I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, they'd say, if you drink a million gallons of raw milk, maybe one will be tainted, and so therefore we can't have any.
ben bankas
Is that what it is?
owen shroyer
If I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, that's what I would say it is.
I've been drinking raw milk for, I don't know, two or three years now.
Never had a problem.
No issues.
I've been drinking raw eggs for like five years.
Never had a problem.
But if you go to any of these official government health websites, I should be dead.
I should be dead right now.
Maybe I am.
I don't know.
ben bankas
How's your gut health?
owen shroyer
I think it's good.
I have no problems.
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
It's better than an Indian.
ben bankas
I wouldn't trust...
unidentified
Huh?
There's pretty strong.
ben bankas
I wouldn't trust the Canadian health government anything, but...
owen shroyer
Where's the one?
I think she's in Australia.
The one health bureaucrat looks like a cow.
You know what I'm talking about?
That one woman, she is a friend.
ben bankas
Belgium or something?
owen shroyer
I think it was Belgium.
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
It's like, you actually did a casting call and tried to find the most grotesque, obese, disgusting freak you could.
Say, you're our new health commissioner.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben bankas
I mean, at least she's not taking it that serious.
You know what I mean?
owen shroyer
Let me take advice from this woman who looks like she's about to explode from something.
I don't know what.
ben bankas
But that would be what the government would do, because they're just so inefficient.
So they're like the new health minister, morbidly obese.
owen shroyer
How does...
How do Canadians feel now that Trudeau is out?
ben bankas
They're so confused and scared.
owen shroyer
Well, you've got the hockey team.
That's all you've got now.
There she is.
ben bankas
Trudeau, yeah.
She's a beautiful woman.
unidentified
Wow.
owen shroyer
All ten of her.
ben bankas
Yeah.
She kind of has your haircut, which is weird.
unidentified
Wow.
ben bankas
She has your exact haircut.
owen shroyer
Actually, no.
unidentified
I have her haircut.
owen shroyer
I felt so inspired.
See, I did this to myself.
ben bankas
Just go to the barber with a picture of her.
You're like, can you do this?
owen shroyer
Yeah, give me the fat Belgian health commissioner, please.
Can I get that?
ben bankas
Can you sit like that?
owen shroyer
It looks better on me.
Hold on, I can't do that.
ben bankas
Can you put your head that way?
Two peas in a pod.
unidentified
It's bizarre how much...
owen shroyer
I don't even think I could get that fat if I tried.
ben bankas
Are you Belgian?
No.
owen shroyer
Maybe it's the Belgian milk.
ben bankas
Yeah, it's all the wrong...
Maybe she looks like she's fucking...
owen shroyer
She's banning raw milk, but then she's like behind the scenes.
She's got like a whole trough and she's like just sucking it down.
unidentified
Chocolate.
ben bankas
She loves the chocolate.
owen shroyer
She's really into the raw milk.
She wants it all for herself.
ben bankas
People in Canada don't know why Carney was elected and they were blindsided by it because originally Pierre was supposed to win against Trudeau and they kicked out Trudeau.
But really, whoever was controlling Trudeau orchestrated the whole thing of let's get rid of him and then move the other guy in.
owen shroyer
Is Carney worse?
ben bankas
They did something similar.
In some ways, Carney is...
owen shroyer
No, she didn't get any votes.
ben bankas
But he at least did do a primary.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
ben bankas
So he did kind of get his party's vote.
owen shroyer
Which was crazy because...
ben bankas
Do you know that Pierre Polyev's campaign manager was his ex-girlfriend?
owen shroyer
Probably a bad idea.
ben bankas
I think that's a horrible idea.
owen shroyer
Ex-girlfriend.
ben bankas
Ex-girlfriend.
And he's married to somebody else and has two kids.
owen shroyer
How long ago of an ex?
ben bankas
Like, I don't know, but, I mean, my wife wouldn't be cool with that.
owen shroyer
Are you sure?
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Have you tried getting a manager that's your ex-girlfriend?
ben bankas
Yeah, she'd love that.
owen shroyer
That'd be fun.
ben bankas
But I'm just saying, it's like, there's that.
And then also, his biggest mistake was that he didn't want to go on Rogan.
He didn't want to go on these other alternative, quote-unquote alternative.
owen shroyer
Instead of playing to the right, he tried to play to the middle.
ben bankas
And the middle is non-existent in Canada.
Now they are.
So it's like a weird thing.
It's kind of like how with Trump now, where a lot more people are in the middle now that he won because they're like, they can chill.
Because they were so worried going into the election.
They're like, Trump has to win.
This is all I can think about.
And then once he won, it's like, oh, okay.
Now I can go back to my life.
owen shroyer
Would you like Canada to be a 51st state?
ben bankas
Personally, I think it would be weird, but I think it would benefit me personally because I wouldn't have to, you know, get a green card or get a whatever.
owen shroyer
So are you, technically, I guess you're on a work visa then?
ben bankas
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Okay.
I want you out.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
I'm calling the Trump campaign.
I want you to record it, actually.
ben bankas
No, I heard you before.
You're like, no more immigrants.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
We want to send you back.
Actually, this was a sting.
unidentified
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Actually, ICE is outside.
ben bankas
Thank God.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
You're going back.
You're going home.
ben bankas
I made a joke yesterday.
It's crazy to call ice on a Canadian because the conversation would go so different.
They'd just be like, can you leave?
owen shroyer
Yeah, I guess I'll go.
ben bankas
I'll go back.
owen shroyer
I'll go willingly.
Hey, we got a hockey match and a gallon of syrup waiting for you.
ben bankas
I think it's not so much the immigration.
America has always had people from other countries come here and excel.
owen shroyer
And I think that it, Immigration is the big problem.
ben bankas
It's lost its way.
Like Arnold Schwarzenegger or whatever, you know, all kinds of actors and famous people and athletes from all over the world.
But the issue is that now people just want to come here to do nothing.
owen shroyer
Yeah, they want to live off the welfare.
ben bankas
Which is like, why do you even want to come here?
owen shroyer
Exactly.
ben bankas
People like Arnold Schwarzenegger, he wanted to move here specifically to become something.
owen shroyer
To become an American.
And he was patriotic when he did it.
ben bankas
That too, but to become a great American.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
ben bankas
Not just come here and be like, you know, I want to work at a taco stand for 15 years and, you know, never get a social insurance or social security.
owen shroyer
Live in a house with, you know, 15 other people in a two bedroom house.
ben bankas
Like that was when immigrants and a lot of people who came when he came who aren't famous, but are rich or well off because they, you know, ate.
There's good things about immigration, but now, and it's the same thing in Canada, now you have people coming who are like, I'm not coming here to make it a better country.
I'm coming to take what you...
owen shroyer
Is that a problem in Canada?
ben bankas
They have imagery.
So Niagara Falls.
Niagara Falls.
Shout out Niagara Falls.
I'll be in Buffalo, by the way, next week.
But Niagara Falls, I've been there a million times to do comedy.
And when I did Yuck Yucks there, they put us in these hotels.
They would always put us in like a crappy hotel because it's a comedy club.
And they were like, yeah, this one's about to be under construction.
And then they kind of lied about that and they just made it an immigrant hotel.
So now, if you go to Niagara Falls, Canada, which is kind of like an Atlantic City Vegas-y vibe, all the hotels that you stay in as a guest going to gamble and hang out and watch a show are filled with people who are basically undocumented immigrants.
owen shroyer
We don't really hear much about that.
That's not a story that makes its way here.
ben bankas
Neither do Canadians.
owen shroyer
Really?
Until they go.
ben bankas
Until they go and they see it and they're like, holy crap.
And it is insane.
But how can the casino say no when the government goes, we'll fill every single one of your rooms and pay over what you are charging?
owen shroyer
That's what they do here.
Well, not anymore.
How strict are they?
And I was just traveling with my dad.
And we just said, oh, let's just go to the Canadian side.
They basically just said, eh, okay.
Like, we just said, eh, we're just here to see the falls and we're coming back.
And they just let us go.
So, I mean, they weren't very strict then, but of course, now, I don't know.
I wonder, they would probably stop me and then let in a busload of, you know, Indians or something coming in for a free hot dog.
ben bankas
Not from America.
I mean, they'd let the Indians come from India.
Honestly, you could go so easily.
I think a lot of everything is overblown in terms of crossing the border.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you're American, you're white.
And you're crossing the border, and you're like, yeah, I'm going to gamble.
They don't give a shit.
owen shroyer
They'll just say, yeah, please go gamble.
ben bankas
Please go have fun.
owen shroyer
We need you here to gamble.
ben bankas
But you might get questioned a little bit more going the other way, if you are Indian.
owen shroyer
If you're like, hey, whoa, whoa.
ben bankas
Hey, hold on.
I have a joke about that.
I'm at the airport, and the TSA has the Muslim woman, and they're feeling her hijab, and I'm like, I like that.
It's good.
Now I feel safe.
owen shroyer
Because they're patting the hijab down?
ben bankas
Like, I wanted to know what was on your screen.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
ben bankas
I have.
owen shroyer
All right, Ben Bankus.
Go check out his website.
His show is fun and funny.
Follow him on X as well.
I'm telling you, I've been following him for years.
There's funny stuff going on there.
I've gone long.
I forgot.
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We named this new game-changing, high-quality supplement complex Ultimate Life Force because Because that's what it does.
Now, since the carnage of COVID and the spike protein infections and everything we've seen, both from the so-called vaccines and from the man-made virus, a lot of great blood detox products that have been promoted by a lot of great scientists, a lot of great doctors.
And I promoted those to my audience.
I have countless times ordered it for friends and family and others that had long COVID or were sick from the shots.
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Some people got complete reversal.
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This takes the aspects of a whole bunch of other amazing formulas that are already out there and throws them all in together, and it just has a dramatic effect.
Now, there are a whole bunch of detoxing, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory compounds in here, but the biggest one is NAC.
Now, remember, during all the COVID hysteria, the feds, Fauci and others tried to ban NAC, This is all super concentrated.
It is the precursor to glutathione.
Your body's main engine to clean out its mitochondria that's so key.
It's involved in nearly every core process of cellular cleanup in your body.
And remember, the bad guys didn't want you to have it.
So, it is so important with all the things in our environment, all the things that are going on, periodically detox, but not just for your blood health.
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Quite frankly, I didn't develop...
They went out and did what I wanted.
People love them, and they're incredible.
The turmeric, the Shilogy, the Irish Seamoss, all of it.
But they'd had this out for years, and I thought, my green caps are great, and this other company I use is great because your green superfoods are amazing.
And then I finally took it, and Harrison Smith took it, and I was like, my God.
And by then, we'd been selling it four or five months, and it was already a top seller.
The problem is there's so many ingredients and it's so hard to source and it's so clean, high standards, that it's sold out most of the time.
We finally got a decent shipment of it in, but we never offered it for subscription because we just couldn't keep it.
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