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The silent majority is no longer silent.
This is The War Room with Owen Schroyer.
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owen shroyer
Ladies and gentlemen, it is Friday, March 28, 2025.
This is the InfoWars War Room.
The fastest three hours on the internet starts now.
It is the last Friday of the month.
As is tradition here on the InfoWars War Room, it is the Veterans Call-In Special.
We're going to have a lot of calls from veterans.
We got a couple veteran guests today as well.
And I actually did a sit-down interview with USS Liberty survivor Phil Turney last night after the show that I was going to post and air over the weekend.
On the Alex Jones X account, my X account, banned out video, have a story at Infowars.com.
But it was so powerful.
It was about an hour long.
But it was just such a great gripping war story.
Just a captivating interview.
And so if we have that done, I think we'll air part or some of that even today.
So it was going to be just weekend.
Special that I was going to post this weekend, but now I'm thinking maybe we post it today in the Veterans Call-In Show if it's done.
Like I said, it was an hour long.
There was some editing.
They're right there processing it, editing it now.
So if it's done by the third hour, we may hear some of that today.
We do have John Cameron on today, another great veteran, daddefendingdemocracy.com.
Also, January 6th.
Target, and then pardon.
And then we'll take calls from veterans as well.
Now, in the first hour, I'm going to try as best I can to get all this news off my desk so that we can take calls in the second hour and then get our guests ready to go.
There's a veteran in the news today as well that the Democrats are going after.
And I actually think it's a smart idea.
And I think it was Kristi Noem that said something or had a policy similar to this.
Where basically they're giving these illegal immigrants time and they say, you've got this grace period.
If you deport yourself, then maybe there can be a situation where you can come back into the country legally.
But if we have to come deport you, then you're never going to be a citizen again.
Now, I mean, I don't know if I originally came up with that idea.
I know we broadcasted that idea months ago, but I could have heard it somewhere else or maybe I came up with it.
It doesn't matter.
And then Christy Noem said it was policy.
And then Corey Mills introduced a bill to turn it into policy, but expand it, saying, if you ever come into the country illegally, you're ineligible for citizenship.
I think it's a great bill.
So the Democrats are investigating him.
But there's something else with that now, with the ethics investigation into Corey Mills, that we're going to talk about.
Because it's kind of a larger picture thing that they're doing.
But it never, it always goes one way.
It always goes one way.
I don't know Corey Mills' net worth, but I highly doubt it's as large as Maxine Waters' net worth or Nancy Pelosi's net worth.
So we'll get into some of that.
I think the most must-see TV since the election happened last night.
I'd say it was bigger than Trump's speeches, bigger than Trump's interviews, and that was Elon Musk, Doing a sit-down interview with Brett Baer and then a follow-up with the entire Doge team.
I think it was about an hour overall, at least of what they aired so far.
There might be some stuff they're holding back for this weekend.
We got about 10 or so clips from that last night.
But I mean, again, this is the biggest news story maybe of our lives.
Seriously. You think about the biggest stories, the biggest...
Events over your life.
The span of your life.
This, and it doesn't get treated like it, but this really is.
What Doge is discovering is honestly one of the biggest stories of our lives.
Barely gets the credit that's due.
And I get it.
Look, I'm not some sycophant for Elon Musk.
I'm just a truth teller.
I call it as I see it.
This is the best work I've ever seen in government.
If Elon Musk was eligible to become president, I'd say he should be president.
What they're exposing at Doge and then how they lay it out last night.
It's undebatable all the fraud that's been going on.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to show you some of the most powerful clips.
But the whole thing was powerful.
I mean, really, you could air the entire hour.
But we got other news to cover as well.
But you could air the entire hour of Musk and Doge last night.
Totally must-see TV.
I think the most captivating must-see TV I've seen since the election.
And I still argue this is the most important work that I've ever seen done in government.
This is one of the biggest stories of our lifetime, the history of this country, the work that Musk and Doge...
Are doing right now.
Now, there's a couple angles.
Like, you asked the question, well, if it's the most important work government's ever done, if it's the biggest story we've ever seen, then where is the proper response?
Where is the proper coverage?
Well, you have to understand, a lot of politicians, probably like half the politicians are on the take, on the cut, part of the waste, fraud, and abuse.
They have friends in the media, so you're not going to hear it from those people.
They're not going to make a big deal of it.
And then the ones that do, and the ones that actually get behind it and support it and make a big deal of it, then you know they're the good guys, or at least they're not corrupt.
But it's the same thing that goes for really the story of this administration, and that is results are all that matter.
Now, they're already getting results, and they will slash at least a trillion dollars when it's all said and done, based off the discoveries of waste, fraud, and abuse from Doge.
It'll be at least a trillion dollars.
But that's just budget, physical concerns.
It's not going to move the needle much, even though it is still one of the biggest stories.
What's going to move the needle?
What is going to turn this into actually the biggest story?
One of the biggest stories in your life when it comes to news, politics, current events.
It's going to be when the forensic auditors finish their work and they track and they trace all this money back to politicians, to the politicians' friends, to the politicians' families, and expose how the entire grift, the entire boondoggle, the entire racket, the entire money laundering operation really worked.
And it was your money you were being stolen from.
You could have had an extra five to ten grand.
That'll probably be the average number per American.
You could have had an extra five, ten grand in your pocket every year.
Maybe closer to thirty.
But now you're kind of getting involved in taxes and everything else.
But no, you have been robbed by our politicians.
That's not just about taxes.
That's a totally separate issue that maybe we'll get into as well.
Just in the waste, fraud, and abuse you have been robbed, and they have paid themselves back, they have paid their friends, they have paid their families, they've paid off their judges, their friends in the media, all of it.
But once the forensic auditors do their work and lay out the whole case...
And it'll need to be in a flow chart like we saw the Oversight Committee do with the Biden crime family and all the different wire transfers with Hunter Biden and the Biden crime family from foreign countries, foreign companies.
And then the arrests start happening.
That's when it'll sink in.
And it'll all be undeniable.
It'll all be undeniable.
It already is.
We're just not to the point.
With the forensic auditors presenting the final results because they're still going through it.
I mean, we're talking about trillions of dollars.
So I'm going to have those clips coming up shortly.
We do have some other developments from the Hill today with Trump speaking from the White House with a couple announcements.
J.D. Vance was in Greenland today.
I have some sound from that, too.
The Greenland move is a serious move.
They're obviously making serious political moves there with Greenland.
What the final result is, we'll see.
But that's obviously a serious situation.
They've sent multiple delegations to Greenland now, continuing to keep that in the press, in the headlines.
And then, of course, Trump speaking from the White House will get some of that as well.
Oh, but don't worry.
If we have the time, we've got more!
Terrorism against Teslas.
And then a great breakdown in the New York Post of everything we already knew.
All the different Soros groups.
All the different money.
And see, that's what's so frustrating is whether it's Infowars or the New York Post.
All these different great news outlets.
All these great independent investigators.
Laura Loomer.
I mean, we have a lot of these.
Guests on the show.
And it's like, we'll do the legwork.
I mean, O'Keefe Media Group, Project Veritas, the list goes on and on.
And I'm not complaining, but it's like, well, I guess I kind of am complaining.
It's like, we do all the legwork and all we have to do is put this onto Congress's desk or put this on the desk of the FBI or the DOJ and then it's like, here's your entire case.
You just have the...
Power to do something with it, but it never gets there.
So here it is again with the New York Post laying out how Soros is funding all the terrorism against the Tesla dealerships and the Tesla vehicles.
So what are we going to do about it?
Is anything going to be done about it?
I know what they are up to today.
They're deporting more students that are protesting against Israel.
That's going on, so okay.
So, we're not going to have college protests against Israel anymore.
Alright, that's a big agenda.
Okay, we're making sure that's top priority.
It's getting taken care of, and I guess it will be.
But if you know you're a Tesla terrorist, well, maybe we'll get to you, maybe somewhere down the line.
I don't know.
We got more students we need to deport.
We got more student visas we need to get rid of.
Now, I'll get to all this, but let's just really dive into this Doge stuff.
The Tesla stuff, and then some of the clips.
Here's the New York Post story.
Here are the five radical leftist groups protesting Elon Musk, one of which received $7.6 million from George Soros.
Indivisible Project.
They work all over the country, including here in Austin.
They have organized protests against Tesla and Musk here locally across the country.
Democrat Socialists of America.
Democrat Socialists of America.
What if it was the National Socialists?
You know what?
No. Never mind.
Never mind.
Democrat Socialists of America.
Okay, that's a big AOC group.
All that Soros money, the millions.
Disruption Project.
That speaks for itself.
Rise and resist.
It's like their commands.
You rise and you resist.
You have these lifestyle...
I think they're called, what are they called?
Lifestyle influencers or something.
And they do their morning routines.
They're all going viral.
I actually like it.
I mean, I'm not really into it.
I don't need a lifestyle coach or a, you know, motivating influencer.
But I'd say it's a force for good.
But this isn't like, hey, you know, wake up and take a cold shower and do your morning routine.
It's... Wake up and fight.
Wake up and hate Trump.
Wake up and hate Musk.
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Wake up and find a way to be a Democrat terrorist.
Rise and resist.
owen shroyer
And then the group just called Troublemakers.
I'm sure they do.
I'm sure they're up to good stuff there at Troublemakers.
When you name yourself Troublemakers, you really...
I'm sure you're doing great stuff.
So these are just five groups.
This is just recent stuff.
This is going back to 2016 and all the money that they spent to raise hatred for Donald Trump and Trump supporters.
This is just recently with Musk.
So really it's hundreds of millions in the last 10 years.
And then they have these five minute of hate exercises where somebody just puts a Tesla out for them to smash up.
Did you guys ever do that for like homecoming or anything?
I remember somebody would buy like a junker.
And put it outside the $500 junker from a junkyard.
Just put it outside the football stadium for a homecoming game and you could take a swing for $5 or whatever to raise money for the school.
So it's like, yeah, it's fun for kids.
These are adults.
These are adults.
They pick up hammers and pickaxes to have their five minutes of hate against a Tesla, an inanimate object.
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you.
owen shroyer
But see, again, here you go.
Here you go, Congress.
Here you go, DOJ.
Here you go, FBI.
Are you ready?
Are you ready for the RICO suits?
Are you ready to really go after these people for domestic terrorists?
Are you really ready to shut it down?
What are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
We've got hundreds of acts of terrorism.
We've got the source...
Of the funding and the organization, what more do you need?
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Seriously. What more do you need?
Victims? Great.
owen shroyer
Great. Because usually you want to start investigations and shut it down before you have victims.
You know, they call it counter-terrorism.
So what more do you need?
You've got all the acts of violence, all the acts of terrorism, proof it's targeted, you've got the funding, you've got the organization, all of it.
What more do you need?
What more do you need?
And if the answer is victims, then we've got a serious problem, don't we?
So why are they targeting Musk?
Well, why is it in any movie about...
Gangsters versus cops.
Corruption versus justice.
Why is it that the good guys are always targeted by the bad guys?
Why is it that the good guys are always fighting for their lives or actually getting shot?
Why is it?
Well, because the good guys are going to expose the bad guys' crimes.
And they don't want that.
They want their criminal racket to keep going and they don't want to go to jail.
So, Musk is exposing some of the biggest crimes going on right now in the country when it comes to money laundering with taxpayer dollars.
So, the bad guys are trying to stop it.
It's really not that hard to figure out.
So, here's the latest from Doge, and we'll get the clips coming up.
For the past three weeks, Social Security has been executing a major cleanup of their records, approximately 7 million.
All listed age 120-plus have now been marked as deceased.
Another 5 million to go.
7 million people over 100 years old still on Social Security.
Where was the money going?
Contract update.
Yesterday, agencies terminated 113 wasteful contracts with a ceiling value of $4.7 billion and a savings of $3.3 billion.
Including a 145,000 USDA consulting contract for Peru climate change activities.
Yes. Well, how will you survive without Peru climate change activities?
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We're going to have to find a way.
owen shroyer
I think we'll make it.
Might be a struggle.
Small Business Association government.
Now requires date of birth collection for all direct loan applications.
Pauses the direct loan process for those under 18 and above 120 years old.
It's sad that you even have to do that, but here's where we are when you have children getting small business loan contracts.
It's funny, you know, I go hang out with some of my friends and their kids and, you know, the kids are all sitting around maybe playing in the dirt.
Playing with rockets and stuff.
Little toys.
Dinosaurs. Jumping on trampolines.
And I hear their chatter.
They're like, hey, did you apply for your small business loan?
Why, yes.
Yes, I did.
You know, nine-month-old stuff.
By the way, we got more on that from some of the Doze clips.
Great work today.
USDOL canceling $577 million in American last grants.
From $237 million in savings, including $10 million for gender equity in the Mexican workplace.
Gender equity in the Mexican workplace.
Too much machismo going on down there.
$12.2 million for worker empowerment in South America.
You gotta empower those workers with $12 million.
$6.25 million for improving respect for workers' rights and agricultural supply chains.
Do you even want to try?
That's in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador.
Improving respect for workers' rights.
Hmm. $5 million for elevating women's participation in the workplace in West Africa.
$4.3 million for assisting foreign migrant workers in Malaysia.
$3 million to enhance Social Security access and worker protections for internal migrants workers in Bangladesh.
$3 million for safe and inclusive work environments in Lesotho.
Now. This has all been canceled by Doge.
Where is the money going?
Who's getting this money?
Who's signing these contracts?
You have to be out of your mind.
You have to have a hole in your brain if you think this is all being done for a good reason.
Do you really think your politicians care about a safe and inclusive work environment in Lesotho?
Do you really believe that?
Or maybe a politician or a friend or a family member has some business in Lesotho that coordinates safe and inclusive work environments, and they're getting $3 million.
You can go down the list, and I wonder, you go to one of these anti-Musk protests, you take a little list like this, take a map of the...
Take a map of the world and say, okay, show me on this map.
Since you're against Doge, and you really care about safe and inclusive work environments in Lesotho for $3 million, show me on this map.
Where is Lesotho?
How many guesses do you want?
Do you want 10?
20? How many do you need?
Show me Malaysia.
Show me Bangladesh.
Can you even show me West Africa?
Can you point to West Africa on the map?
Can you name a country in West Africa?
Can you spell West Africa?
How many...
Do you need some time?
Yeah, you really care.
I know.
I know these anti-Musk protesters are really upset because $5 million is no longer going to West Africa for elevating women's participation in the workplace.
It's really breaking their hearts today.
It's crushing them.
Where is the money going?
Where is the money going?
A small business loan.
Hold on.
Don't confuse them now, guys.
We don't want to spaz them out.
Where is a small business loan for a nine-year-old in New Mexico going?
That is one hell...
I mean, he must be really...
That's a future astronaut or something right there.
Future entrepreneur, nine-month-old, getting a small business loan.
Totally normal stuff.
Maxine Waters.
Elon Musk says of Maxine Waters, at some point, the many crimes of Maxine Waters will catch up to her.
So it's pretty clear to me...
How do you say it?
Musk has seen enough to know what he's dealing with.
And he knows what he's dealing with is such a massive criminal syndicate that he basically has to prioritize his own safety.
And that's why he basically just lives with the president, travels with the president, so he can get...
The top-level security with Secret Service.
Because it's like, you know, witness protection.
You've got to witness against a top gangster that's known for killing people, throwing them in the swamp.
You know, you've got to have top witness protection.
You've got to disappear for your own safety.
So that's where Musk is at.
Musk is exposing the biggest criminal syndicate, the largest political crime syndicate.
Maybe in the world today, I don't know, definitely in American history, with Doge.
So he has to live at the White House.
He has to stay with the president.
He can't leave.
He's in witness protection, basically.
And he's obviously seen enough to know, and I would guess at this point they haven't reached a conclusion.
They haven't reached the bottom line of all the forensic analysis, and I'm sure it's a long process when you're dealing with trillions of dollars as they are.
But Musk has obviously seen enough to know what he's dealing with and to know there are politicians getting kickbacks.
He's obviously seen enough to know that.
And I just call it as I see it, folks.
Just look at me like I'm a...
Broadcaster, play-by-play, color commentary for American politics.
That's what I do.
And I can't say a single time where Musk has ever bluffed.
I can't point to a single time where Musk has ever said something and then not meant it or had some other motive going on.
I can't prove or think of a single time that's ever been the case.
I mean, pretty much anyone else involved in politics has done that.
I mean, even the great Trump plays politics.
I don't even think Musk's brain works like that.
So when I see and hear Musk saying some of this stuff, I'm like, yeah, he knows something.
He knows what we've all known all along.
He's just seen the evidence now.
So when we come back, we're going to play.
All of these clips.
Now, I'm outing myself a little bit here, but speaking of thieves, I might be a bit of a thief myself because I actually ripped this coin from Chase Geyser's office about an hour ago.
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I did it, Chase.
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Sorry, if you're looking for your coin, it's mine.
You'll have to come doge it from me.
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That's what you get for going into the paint, playing ball.
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All right, I want to go to what I would call must-see TV last night.
I mean, this was the most compelling television.
News interview I've seen this year.
More than Trump's interviews.
More than anything.
This was incredible.
And it was kind of the first introduction to some of the Doge team players.
And then Musk kind of expanding on some of the things that they have been discovering.
But you know what?
I think it might be better to start this off with something J.D. Vance said today in Greenland.
Because... It all kind of ties into the same idea that the United States are citizens, really.
We have been used and abused.
Our money has been stolen.
Our money has been laundered.
And it's been going all over the world.
It's been going to our politicians, their friends, their families.
I mean, we've been getting robbed, folks.
And there's this other story developing today about the Francis...
Scott Key Bridge that collapsed, what, over a year ago?
And it's just sitting there, rotting.
They're not fixing it.
And somebody pointed out, and then Elon Musk shared it, said, hey, if this happened in China or Japan or any of these developing countries in the Middle East, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, whatever, They would have this thing rebuilt immediately.
They'd have 10 bridges rebuilt.
And it'd be some new record length, record height.
But, oh, you know, you're in Baltimore, Maryland.
You can't get a bridge.
You can't get a new bridge.
You can't get any infrastructure.
Your town is rotting away.
Your old booming district, your old Main Street with the manufacturing, production, that's all dead.
That's all gone.
Now you get...
Murder and poverty and people can't even graduate at grade level.
Can't get a bridge.
Is that because Americans are bad people?
Is that because Americans aren't capable of it?
Is that?
No. It's because we've been robbed.
We've been stolen.
We've been used.
We've been abused.
It's all by design.
Collapsing America by design.
And isn't it ironic?
China gets to be considered a developing nation.
China gets to be considered a developing nation.
They could build a bridge in a month.
We can't build a bridge in a year.
It's actually embarrassing.
No, we could build a bridge.
We could build 10 bridges.
We could build 100 bridges.
We're just getting robbed.
Our country is getting gutted by design.
And I don't mean to rant here, but it all ties into what Doge is doing and what Americans are about to discover.
It all funnels back to the same thing.
The people, the elites, the management class that have their different groups, like the World Economic Forum and the Council on Foreign Relations and all these other groups, they believe, they've ordained themselves as the stewards of this planet.
Whether it's for good or for bad, it doesn't even matter for the sake of what we're talking about here.
If America is successful, if America is prosperous, if the experiment of self-government, if the experiment of the republic in the United States of America, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, if this experiment in self-government succeeds, then the debate is over.
Freedom wins.
Freedom builds prosperity.
Freedom builds wealth.
Self-government propels civilizations to the next level over and over and over again.
And so you cannot have that example.
You cannot have that shining beacon on the hill.
America must fail.
Self-government must fail.
The republic must fail.
Otherwise, they can't have their corporate global government.
They can't convince the planet that you need to be a slave.
That you need to have your life rationed from birth to death in a corporate global government.
So if America succeeds, then their plans to conquer the world are over.
Because nobody wants to be a slave.
Nobody wants to live under a global corporate government, so they have to convince you that you need it.
They have to collapse everything else and convince you, no, that's the only answer for you.
So if America succeeds, then it's over.
It's over.
It doesn't matter whether you fly the American flag around the planet or not.
Our ideas won.
Our way of life won.
So that's why they have to do that.
That's why in Baltimore you can't have a bridge.
You can have homicide rates at your highest level of all time.
You can have poverty rates at the highest level of all time.
You can have education at the lowest level of all time.
And you can't have a bridge.
Because America must fail.
In order for the corporate world government to say, see, you can't be in charge.
People are not good.
America has failed.
So now we're taking over the planet with a corporate global government.
No, Baltimore could have 100 bridges by now if it wasn't being done by design.
But as J.D. Vance says, the entire world has used America as a piggy bank, and our politicians have allowed it to happen.
And they've made themselves wealthy in the process.
This was J.D. Vance earlier in Greenland, and then we'll go to the Musk-Doge interview.
But first, here's Vance, clip three.
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The tariffs.
There's been some retaliation, some signals at least in the media that Canada's going to respond.
Some of these others are going to respond to the president's tariffs.
What's your message for Americans that are going to see cost increase on auto manufacturing, new cars, that kind of thing?
Is it by America, or what's the message going forward there?
jd vance
Well, let me say a couple of things.
First of all, for the Canadians, and we have many dear friends in Canada, and of course we love the Canadian people, but the Canadian leadership threatening retaliatory tariffs against the United States, as President Trump often says, they just don't have the cards.
There is no way that Canada can win a trade war with the United States.
What President Trump has said is that he wants to level the playing field.
For decades, Canadian leadership has forced American farmers and American manufacturers to play by an unfair set of rules.
All President Trump has said is that we're done playing by an unfair set of rules.
If you're going to do something to our industries, then we're going to do something back to your industries.
That's how you protect American manufacturing, and that's how you protect American jobs.
What I say to the American people is, look, the president ran on this and he said very clearly that we're done being the piggy bank of the entire world.
For 40 years, in the same way that our European friends, I think, have neglected international security, for 40 years a lot of our friends all over the world have used America as a piggy bank.
They have used us to absorb all of their excess economic production.
What does that mean for Americans?
For Americans, that's meant manufacturing jobs declining.
That's meant middle-class wages going down.
That's meant whole towns that have been hollowed out by empty factories.
And that means in America that it's less safe because our manufacturing isn't as powerful now as it was 30 years ago.
I've got all these brave Americans in front of me and a few behind me, too.
We want to send, if, God forbid, we have to send Americans to war, we want them to have weapons, the best weapons in the world that are manufactured in America and not in China.
The way you do that is to rebuild the American manufacturing sector.
The days of America being the piggy bank of the world, the days of closed factories, the days of people not being able to get a middle-class job in this country, they're over.
And yes, that means we're going to have to fight back even against some of our friends and their unfair economic practices.
But the long-term consequence of this is going to be higher wages, more manufacturing, and more economic security for the American people.
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In the cold silence of the tundra, a bond was born.
Not from treaties or trade, but from blood and bravery.
While Germany controlled Europe, the Nazis set their sights on the Arctic.
Greenland became an unwitting combatant, and the United States stepped in.
Not to conquer, but to protect.
In 1943, nearly a thousand American soldiers with four chaplains set sail from New York to Greenland, carrying with them hope, duty, and a quiet fear.
But their ship was torpedoed by a Nazi U-boat, and the frigid waters of the North Atlantic became a grave.
Those four chaplains gave up their life vests, giving their lives so that others might live, to protect America and Greenland.
Their sacrifices helped win our freedom, and we will never forget.
Together, Americans and Greenlanders stood as sentinels at the top of the world.
But today, Greenland faces new threats.
From Russian aggression and Chinese expansion, our shared legacy lives on in every joint mission, every Arctic patrol, every partnership forged in the shadow of melting ice and rising tensions.
This is not just history.
It is destiny.
Now is the time to stand together again.
For peace.
For security.
For the future.
America stands with Greenland.
owen shroyer
So that was Vance in Greenland talking about how we're done being the world's piggy bank.
And then Trump dropped that promotional video that we just aired after Vance.
Now... Again, to me, I'm kind of like, well, Canada, 51st state, was that ever really real?
I don't even know if I support that.
Greenland, I think they're very serious about that.
I would say, based off what we've seen, they're very serious about Greenland, and I probably would support that.
And I think we see kind of the global vision, the trade vision that that entails.
But it's so hard not to just reflect.
On the fact that, yeah, we have been treated as the world's piggy bank and that we really can't even imagine the wealth and prosperity this country could have had.
And the best way to look at it, and this isn't me putting different countries or their civilization or cultures on a pedestal.
It's just observing the reality.
If you want an idea of what has been stolen from us, look no further than the...
Infrastructure that's being built in China, Japan, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, that's what's been stolen from us.
We could have the biggest, most advanced metropolitan areas.
We could have the cleanest metropolitan areas.
We could have the new technology in trains and travel.
We could have the biggest, coolest skyscrapers, downtown skylines.
Instead, it's all decaying.
Instead, it's all rotting.
Instead, it's all ugly, poverty-ridden, crime-ridden.
It's because we've been stolen from.
We've been robbed.
Now, I could ran on it all day.
Let's go now to some of these clips from the Musk-Doge interview last night.
Let's go to start with $500 billion in fraud.
So some of this is Musk.
Some of this is the Doge team.
Talking about what they've discovered.
Here's $500 billion in fraud, clip five.
unidentified
There's $500 billion of fraud every year.
There's hundreds of billion dollars of improper payments.
And we can't pass an audit.
The consolidated financial report is produced by Treasury, and we cannot pass an audit.
We have material weaknesses.
What that means is that if I was a public company CFO, I would effectively be removed.
I couldn't file financial statements.
I couldn't issue securities.
bret baier
Can't pass an audit?
unidentified
Can't pass an audit.
elon musk
The federal government cannot pass an audit.
unidentified
Thank you.
owen shroyer
Now, of course, you're expected to pass an audit.
You're expected to pay your taxes and have all your finances sorted out, but not the government.
That's strange.
So how can the government that has expectations of you not have the same expectations of yourself?
Well, it's a criminal operation, isn't it?
How many people on Social Security over the age of 120?
How many people clip six?
unidentified
Example, there are over 15 million people that are over the age of 120 that are marked as alive in the Social Security system.
owen shroyer
You guys remember, it's just such clown world.
It's only worth mentioning because this is what we're dealing with.
But do you remember last month?
When I went to the anti-Musk protest at Austin, downtown Austin at the Capitol, and I said, well, didn't you see how they have all these people on Social Security that are dead and are over 150 years old?
He says, that's not true.
I said, you don't think there's any fraud in Social Security?
He said, nope, it's not true.
That's what we're dealing with.
Nope, it's just not true.
What is true?
The sun is...
Burning a ball of gas on fire.
It's really hot.
No, it's not.
unidentified
Nope. Okay.
owen shroyer
And that person votes.
What is the goal?
Elon Musk is asked.
What is the goal of Doge?
How much waste, fraud, and abuse can we cut?
bret baier
Clip 7. Thanks for having us.
Doing this, I know there's a lot of interest in this.
You know, first let me start with you, Elon.
What are the budgetary savings goals and how much do you think you've achieved so far?
elon musk
Our goal is to reduce the deficit by a trillion dollars.
So from a nominal deficit of two trillion to try to cut the deficit in half to one trillion.
Or looked at it in total federal spending to drop the federal spending from seven trillion to six trillion.
We want to reduce the spending by eliminating waste and fraud, reduce the spending by 15%, which seems really quite achievable.
The government is not efficient, and there's a lot of waste and fraud, so we feel confident that a 15% reduction can be done.
bret baier
I'm going to talk to all the guys here about the specifics, but for you, what's the most astonishing thing you've found out in this process?
elon musk
The sheer amount of waste and fraud in the government.
It is astonishing.
It's mind-blowing.
owen shroyer
You know, when I look at this and Doge's, that's some of the Doge team there.
That's kind of more of the heavy hitters.
These are guys that come from the private sector that have had massive success in business, running businesses, CEOs, CFOs.
And I would doubt that even all their politics are the same.
I would guess they come from a lot of different political ideologies, not just straight left and right, but I'm sure there's a mixture in there.
But they all get business.
They all get business efficiency.
They all get numbers and finances.
And so Musk has assembled this team.
And I'm sitting here thinking, honestly, I mean, I look at this, folks.
This is really like revolutionary stuff.
I mean, this is like 1776 stuff.
And I get it.
You're hearing this.
I'm over-exaggerating.
I'm sensationalizing.
No, I'm not.
I'm telling you, folks, this is the stuff of 1776 in 2025.
That's what this is.
This is the Boston Tea Party.
This is common sense.
This is the midnight ride.
That's what this is.
I don't know why nobody else seems to get this, but that's what's going on here.
So when you're watching, this is the most compelling thing I've ever seen.
When you're sitting here, you're looking at serious men.
Oh, CNN last night.
First of all, they did a hit piece on RFK Jr.
They said RFK Jr. is giving people measles.
So, okay.
CNN responds to that Musk-Doge interview.
They say, Elon Musk shows his old white man team of Doge.
Are they okay?
Okay. It's all white men.
I'm so mad about it.
And actually, there's a lot of people that work for Tesla and SpaceX and X, and they're not white men.
But regardless, that's just part of the Doge team.
But it's like, oh, wow.
They just hate successful white men.
So Musk is like, I'm just going to assemble a bunch of great businessmen who are really good at finances.
Running things efficiently, and we're just going to kind of hone in on this stuff.
And then CNN says, look at these white men.
If you're drowning in the ocean, and a white man comes up to you with a lifesaver, don't help me, you're a white man!
You're choking.
And a white man says, hey, I'm a doctor.
I can give you the Heimlich.
No, no, Whitey.
No, cracker.
unidentified
I'll die before I let a cracker save me.
owen shroyer
That's their attitude.
How much do you think it costs just to service government computers?
How out of touch, how behind technology are we really?
What do you think it costs?
Government computer servicing, clip eight.
bret baier
Aram Mogadassi, Doge engineer.
You go into these places, one of the more than a dozen engineers, first people to go into the agencies and view the computer data sets.
Tell me what you're finding, and for people who don't understand how that process works, explain it for them.
unidentified
Yeah, I'll say the first thing that got me really excited about Doge was learning basically the state of government computers.
By some estimates...
Government IT costs about $100 billion.
And it's funding systems that are over 50 years old, in the case of something like Social Security or the IRS.
So really critical systems are old.
They cost a lot of money to maintain.
And the efforts to improve them are often very delayed.
owen shroyer
What was his name again?
I think it was Amon Magadassi.
Aram Magadassi.
Wow. I guess he's just white enough.
We'll just call him white anyway.
I was laughing so hard.
CNN last night.
All white male Doge team.
So $100 billion to service these computers that are out of date.
You can only imagine that frustration.
Okay. What about all these children?
That are getting loans from the Small Business Administration.
What do we know about that?
unidentified
Clip 9. For example, there were over $300 million of Small Business Administration loans that has been given out to people under the age of 11. Well, actually, to add to this, $300 million under the age of 11 and over $300 million to over the age of 120.
owen shroyer
I mean, it's lavable, but it's criminal.
Where do you think that money's going, folks?
That is so clearly a money laundering operation, it's not even funny.
And then they have all these outdated systems, nobody running checks and balances.
They just get away with it.
They've been getting away with it for years.
This is not a million dollar boondoggle.
It's not even a hundred million dollar boondoggle.
We're talking hundreds of billions of dollars.
It's going to be over a trillion dollars that our politicians have stolen.
That the whole world has stolen from us.
And then pointed the finger at you, American.
Said, you're the bad guy.
You're a racist.
You're a misogynist.
You're a homophobe.
You're a transphobe.
You're a xenophobe.
You're a slave owner.
You're a capitalist pig.
unidentified
You're a warmonger.
owen shroyer
Just pecking you down.
And the truth is, the whole time, you've been the best.
You've been the victim.
You've been robbed.
You've been looted.
You've been stolen from.
You've been abused.
You've had your country looted and stolen.
You've had your blood and treasure stolen.
And the whole time, the finger getting pointed at you.
No, those days are over.
What about Social Security?
How bad is it really over at Social Security?
unidentified
Clip 10. One of the first things we learned is that they get phone calls every day of people trying to change direct deposit information.
So when you want to change your bank account, you can call Social Security.
We learned 40% of the phone calls that they get are from fraudsters.
bret baier
40%?
unidentified
That's right.
Almost half.
elon musk
Yes, and they steal people's social security is what happens.
They call in, they claim to be a retiree, and they convince the social security person on the phone to change where the money's flowing.
It actually goes to some fraudster.
owen shroyer
Incredible. Let's continue.
Clip 11. This is really, we'll close the hour with this.
This is like, put it into a box and deliver it to all the haters.
Clip 11. Or wastefully.
elon musk
It's not contrary to Congress to avoid waste and fraud.
It is consistent with the law and consistent with Congress.
And we've seen actually great support, at least from the Republican side of the House, and occasionally some Democrats, too.
You know, it's nice to see people cross the aisle once in a while.
But... Usually when they attack Doge, they never attack any of the specifics.
So they'll say what we're doing is somehow unconstitutional or legal or whatever.
We're like, well, which line of the cost savings do you disagree with?
And they can't point to any.
And we list them all on Doge.gov and the Doge handle on X. What more could you say?
owen shroyer
What more could you ask for?
Oh, I don't like Doge.
I don't like Elon Musk.
Okay, well.
Here's the Doge savings.
Which part of this do you disagree with?
Which line of savings do you disagree with?
Which spending here that we've stopped do you think is good?
It's indefensible, folks.
It's totally indefensible.
A-plus work from Doge.
A-plus work from Musk.
This is revolutionary stuff right here.
By the way, that's not all the waste, fraud, and abuse.
We need to have a Doge California.
You'll find probably billions of dollars in waste, fraud, and abuse there.
Some of it highlighted here by a local reporting team on the ground dealing with the homelessness issue in clip 12. Tonight, as many as 12 Rochester police officers facing scrutiny over their response to a traffic stop by federal immigration agents.
unidentified
I was made aware of an incident that occurred on Monday night.
When our officers were urgently called to assist Border Patrol.
owen shroyer
Good evening, I'm Matt Malloy.
The crew is scolding themselves right now.
I don't have to do it.
I don't have to do it.
The crew did that.
They scolded themselves, so we're going to let them off the hook on a Friday.
This is the right clip.
Where did the money go in California?
Go ahead.
unidentified
I'm in downtown LA, Skid Row, and I want to point out a few things that's gone on here in the past few years.
In 2023, Gavin Newsom set aside $750 million to build tiny homes for people just like this that are surrounding by me.
Somehow that money's gone.
In 2019, they set aside $24 billion to go towards the homeless.
Somehow that money's gone.
It's unaccounted for.
I want to talk about a few politicians from here.
One is Nancy Pelosi.
She's been serving these people since 2007.
Her net worth is over $120 million.
Another person here, Maxine Waters, she's been serving the people here in California since 1990.
Her net worth is over $10 million.
And Gavin Newsom, who knows what his net worth is, but we know he is building a $9 million home in San Francisco, California.
They're leaders, the leaders of California, they've failed these people here.
In Los Angeles and in California, California has actually been one of the highest states in America that people have fled from.
Over 6 million people have left California in the last few years, and yet Gavin Newsom, he's out there holding a podcast, a podcast when he should be working on his state.
He might be making a run for it in 2028, and I hope people remember this that's behind me.
owen shroyer
That's Brooker T. Jones.
And I got this other B-roll that was shot from California yesterday, showing how bad it is.
California. I just want these criminals to be totally crushed, folks.
I want them crushed.
They are a leech on our culture.
They are a leech on our civilization.
They are a leech on our once great, prosperous, and proud nation and republic.
They are leeches.
They are criminals.
They are scumbags.
They are a cancer.
I just want them to be completely eviscerated politically.
I want them to be exposed.
I want them to be shamed.
And really, I mean, they need to be behind bars for the protection of mankind.
That might be the best case scenario.
That's like 100% what we need, but we rarely get that.
Do you think California should look like this?
Do you think California used to look like this?
The ups and downs, all the hardships and the trials and tribulations this country has gone through, I guarantee you California has never looked like that before.
Until Democrats destroyed the state.
Because even when you were poor, you had a sense of pride.
And we had a nation that had a sense of pride.
It's all gone.
And what?
Do I blame the people for living in these shanty towns?
Living in these piles of garbage, literally?
They're victims of it too.
They're victims of it too.
So, this isn't really about political ideology.
It's not really about left and right.
It's not really about...
Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative.
There's definitely dividing lines, and that's not an entirely false paradigm, but that's not what this is about.
This is about a criminal class.
This is about a criminal syndicate of politicians that have destroyed America by design, stolen your future, stolen your wealth.
That's what this is really about.
That's who this is really about, eradicating.
And it just so happens all the rats are coming out now that Doge is doing the work.
And it just so happens, you know, 85% of the rats are Democrats.
Not surprised by that.
But that's what's happening.
Second hour here of the Infowars War Room.
It is a veterans call-in show.
I want to open up the lines for our veterans now.
We'll intersperse the news with calls from our great veterans on this day.
You know, usually we do anything.
Veterans can call in on anything they want, any issue they want.
And on Friday, it's kind of a tradition in talk radio.
You can call in on anything.
Doesn't necessarily have to be directed at a subject we're covering.
But I would kind of like to direct the calls today about Doge, specifically.
I mean, because I...
Nobody is really reporting on it like Infowars or myself.
I mean, I'm obsessed.
I cover it almost every day.
But, I mean, I follow all the news, and nobody really talks about Doge as highly as I do.
It's very, very, very rare that you hear somebody really digging into what Doge is doing, what it's about, what it represents.
Do you agree?
Do you think I'm out on an island here because nobody agrees?
Or is it just nobody sees the vision yet?
So I'm kind of wanting to hear from veterans on that.
But it is your show, so you can call in on whatever you want at the end of the day.
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All right, let me get some other things out of the way here.
Let's go to the White House.
President Trump talking policy here in clip one.
donald j trump
And if you build a car in the United States, and one thing that I just spoke with John Thune about, I just spoke to Mike Johnson about, speaker, we're going to do something that has never been done in this country before.
I'm very proud to say it was my idea.
And so sometimes the simple idea, they say, how'd you think of that one?
It's so simple, it was never done.
If you buy a car in the United States that's made in the United States, if it's manufactured here, when you borrow money, if you borrow money, you have interest payments, we're going to let you deduct the interest payment for income tax reasons.
And I think that's going to more than pay for itself.
I think people are going to be...
They've never had a deduction.
You know, deductions are supposed to be for, like, rich people, and it's unfair to have that, but rich people are...
I think I know more about deductions than any human being on Earth.
You know, the truth is that people that are middle-income people that buy a car and actually have to borrow money, they're going to now get an interest deduction on their car if it's made in the United States.
If it's made someplace else, that won't take place.
owen shroyer
So, again, you have to understand the direction all of this is going.
Because if you don't understand that, then you're not having a real debate.
Same thing with tariffs.
Whether you support them or not as a policy, if you understand the direction...
Then you can have the real debate about it.
Same thing with these tax breaks.
So it's not just, oh, tariffs are more taxes.
Notice it's the liberals complaining about the taxes in the form of tariffs, but then they want to tax you more.
So when we want to tax foreign countries, they say, no, stop the taxes.
But when they want to tax you, it's, oh, we don't pay enough taxes.
Okay, well...
Again, no matter how you feel about the policy on tariffs or the policy that he just announced with tax breaks, the direction is we're motivating people to manufacture in the United States.
We're making policy that invites manufacturing back to the United States.
And then we're inviting policy that motivates people to purchase goods that were produced and manufactured and made in the United States.
So that's the direction.
So you can have a debate about tariffs, or you can have a debate about taxes, but if you don't understand the direction Trump is taking all of this, then you're not really having an honest debate.
Now, maybe a bit of a comedic relief moment here.
Trump, has Trump ever been asked, what is a woman?
Clip two.
unidentified
Since Democrats seem to struggle answering this question, I wanted to ask you, what is a woman and why is it important that we understand the difference between men and women?
donald j trump
Well, it's sort of easy to answer for me because a woman is somebody that can have a baby under certain circumstances.
She has a quality.
A woman is a person who's much smarter than a man, I've always found.
A woman is a person that doesn't give a man even a chance of success.
And a woman's a person that in many cases has been treated very badly because I think that what happens with this crazy, this crazy issue of men being able to play in women's sports is just ridiculous and very unfair to women and very demeaning to women.
And that's got to be about a 94 percent.
I read today it was a 94 percent issue.
And I watched the other day, I watched a congressman, a Democrat congressman, fighting for the fact that...
Men should be allowed to compete, essentially, in women's sports.
And I say, I hope they keep that going, because they'll never win another election.
That's a big deal.
But women are basically incredible people, do so much for our country.
And we love our women, and we're going to take care of our women.
owen shroyer
There's nothing like a first-rate woman, right, President Trump?
Nothing like first-rate women.
He's right.
Nothing like it.
Now on that issue, Linda McMahon teaming up with the Maine Department of Education where they discovered liberals are engaging in the transgender practices on minors without parental consent.
They're working to put an end to that.
Here's an update from Linda McMahon and the Maine Department of Education in clip four.
unidentified
Hello, I'm U.S. Secretary of Education Linda McMahon, joined by Parents Defending Education Founder and President Nicole Neely.
Today, the Department of Education is announcing an unprecedented directed investigation into the Maine Department of Education for alleged violations of the Family Educational Rights Privacy Act, or FERPA.
We have heard disturbing reports that dozens of Maine school districts allow for schools to create gender plans.
That support a student's transgender identity and then hide those plans from parents claiming they don't fall under education records.
That is unacceptable and unlawful, if true.
Parents and guardians have the right to access their child's education records to guide and safeguard their child's mental, emotional, and physical well-being, and we will uphold the law.
Thank you, Secretary McMahon.
You are absolutely correct that parents have a right to know what is taking place while their children are under the care of school personnel.
So many of these complaints were ignored by the previous administration.
The practice of leaving parents in the dark while schools push students to undergo so-called gender transitions, and it became all too common.
We're proud to stand with you and President Trump as you ensure that the law is being followed and that school districts do not infringe on parents' rights.
owen shroyer
It's even wilder, because you shouldn't even have to have this conversation.
This problem shouldn't even exist, because you need to just make it an illegal practice.
But it's like, really, you have to write a law that says you can't mutilate a minor, you can't dismember a minor, because it's so unheard of, so unreal.
But now we're there.
That's where liberals have taken us.
That's where the left has taken us.
The progressives have taken us.
The Democrats have taken us.
So now it's like, okay, well, we have to write a bill that says you can't mutilate minors.
That's where we're at.
So you shouldn't even have to sit here and talk about this or have any sort of school policy, but that's where it's at.
So you need to put the whole thing to an end and just sign bills like we have in Texas that just ban it.
Altogether, just ban trans surgery for minors, period.
So you can make it, you know, once you turn 18 or 21 or something, like they do with cigarettes, alcohol, but, I mean, even adult entertainment.
You gotta be, what, 21 to go to a gentleman's club?
But, hey, you wanna, you know, oh, yeah.
13-year-old goes to some radical progressive doctor who convinces him to...
Mutilate themselves.
It shouldn't be coming into school policy.
Parents shouldn't have to deal with that.
That should just be outright illegal.
That should be an executive order from Trump.
All right.
Plenty of other news, but I want to start taking calls from our veterans today as well.
It is the Veterans Call-In Show, after all, as is tradition here last Friday of the month.
And let's go to Stephen.
Army veteran in Arizona.
Steven, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, Ellen.
First time talking to you, I talked to Chase before, you know, like the eight months back or something.
So, huge fan.
Your topic was doze, right?
Yes. So, one of the things I love about your show is you're very vocal anti-government to a lot of the stuff that I've Discovered for myself over the years, plus my military experience.
And so a lot of what you say, I'm just like, this guy gets it.
This is awesome.
So what I'm seeing with Doge, and I'm loving it, is that when there's a discovery, like you say, when the rats come out, it's because they're actually stirring stuff up.
Like, Doge is actually uncovering some stuff that's getting them attacked.
And, you know, his safety and everything.
So you get that public sentiment where they just parrot what the mainstream media and other media groups that are Democrat-funded have been saying.
So it's been just incredible to see because, like, my favorite thing is, like, just abolish the entire government, start over, or with nothing, you know, like Ron Paul says.
However... What we're really seeing right now is like the first time the government is auditing the government and finding that the government did something wrong.
And I absolutely, I think there's something absolutely incredible there.
And I don't think enough people are talking about it.
I listen to Infowars very often, so I'm a huge fan of...
How you guys cover it every single day.
I'm also scrolling X and finding a bunch of other stuff.
I pay attention to the Doe's website.
I cover, I mean, I'm obsessed with this.
It's my, it's my, one of my top topics in recent history.
owen shroyer
Well, it is, in my view, as I said it, this is the closest thing to 1776 that we've had in modern American politics.
I mean, this is revolutionary stuff and it's not getting near the attention.
And of course, as you call them the rats, the criminals, of course they're acting like gangsters.
Of course they're acting like the criminal mob that they are and sending their hit squads to Tesla dealerships and attacking Tesla owners in their cars.
I mean, I got more of it today.
There's this radical leftist woman, just deranged-looking psychotic, slashing her keys into a Tesla in Seattle.
When they show...
Because I'm to the point now where, look, I've been lied to enough by my government and by certain politicians and the media and everything else.
It's like, so you know when to have some faith, little faith, no faith, a lot of faith.
But I mean, just from my experience with Musk and covering him involved in American politics now, he doesn't bluff.
He's never not delivered.
You know, if they didn't deliver all the receipts from Doge, that'd be one thing, but they are.
So I have the utmost confidence that we are going to see forensic audits that show where this money is ending up, at least as much as they can.
I mean, they've already explained how a lot of this money has no oversight.
It just disappears into the ether.
So a lot of it's going to be hard to find, but they're going to find some of this money.
And I don't think Musk is blowing hot air when he says, Hey, Maxine Waters, you're going to find some stuff there.
So I think Musk already has an idea.
I've not known him to bluff or to sell high.
So, yeah, I view this as revolutionary.
But that's when, once the forensic auditors show where the money ends up and it's in a bunch of politicians and their friends and family's bank accounts with the kickbacks, that'll be when people finally realize, I think, what it is we're living through here.
unidentified
So I'm super stoked with all of that that's coming out right now.
What I'm also seeing that I think is, it's this really weird position we're in as a society, is how many people, like, I hate the government, I didn't trust it forever, but this is the first time, like I said, that they investigated and found they did something wrong.
But this is now the first time where we're seeing the same people that eat up all of the government propaganda and everything, you know, for the last four years just ate it up.
And now they're decreeing all of it as lies, everything that Musk is uncovering.
They're calling it lies and refusing to look at it.
owen shroyer
Well, okay.
It's just like when Trump was president at the end of 2020 and they started talking about the vaccines and Trump started talking about the vaccines and promoting the vaccines.
Not mandates, but he promoted the vaccines in Operation Warp Speed.
And Kamala Harris and Joe Biden made it a part of their presidential campaign.
Do not take the vaccine.
They called it the Trump vaccine.
And all the media parroted it.
Don't take the Trump vaccine.
Don't take the Trump vaccine.
And then as soon as Joe Biden got into office, all of a sudden the vaccine was good and it was mandatory.
So nothing changed.
The ingredients of the vaccines didn't change.
The vaccine manufacturers didn't change.
Nothing changed.
Just who was in the White House.
And then all of a sudden the vaccine was good.
And Biden claimed credit.
So that's kind of another example of what you're talking about.
But, you know, that's what we expect.
That's what we expect from the brainwashed zombies who are just like a...
They're like the wall.
It's like a wall of zombies in front of us.
And I thank you for the call, Stephen.
It's like a wall of zombies in front of us.
They put this wall of brainwashed zombies in front of us.
And it's like, hey, we're just trying to get to the bad guys here.
By the way, you're victims of them too.
But here's the walls of zombies.
And it's like, okay, well, they've sent out their zombies to keep us from getting to them.
And that's why they engage in the domestic terrorism.
That's what we're dealing with.
A couple other headlines here before we take another call.
By the way, last night, Steak and Shake just keeps racking up the W's.
And there's other franchisees and a lot of these places just do local ownership.
And so we covered the Alex Rosen story yesterday and how he was facing charges.
Now Stake and Shake and the COO has come out and made public statements and are demanding that the local Stake and Shake in Tenney County, where Rosen is facing the charges, including a felony charge in Branson, Missouri.
Steak and Shake is now coming out and saying, we're going to make sure these charges get dropped.
We are going to drop this case.
And none of this is going to go to court.
None of this is going to make it to trial with Alex.
And I was kind of talking to him last night about this.
And you saw some of it on the show.
And he was a little nervous.
And, you know, rightfully so.
I mean, you face a felony charge.
You know, going through litigation is never fun.
But as I told him, I told him on the show last night, I said, hey, you know, you get in front of a judge and a jury.
This is going to look really good for you.
And then I talked to him later and I said, hey, man, you know, just because I told him I'd keep public pressure on him.
And I said, hey, man, you're going to be good because, you know, he wasn't like, you know, he's a tough guy.
I was like, you're going to be fine.
There's no way this is going to even make it to trial.
And then it comes out.
The steak and shake is saying we're going to drop the charges.
So good for Alex.
He went kamikaze.
He's going to come out.
He's going to come out totally clean other from an other from a night in jail happens.
It's not fun.
But. Sometimes that's what's required to get a victory.
So he earns that badge.
But he's going to win this case.
They're going to drop it.
I'm fully confident now.
And another Steak and Shake win.
They're trying to get rid of seed oils.
They're teaming up with RFK Jr., make America healthy again.
They're protecting Alex Rosen, the predator poacher.
It's too bad the Steak and Shakes are no longer in Austin.
I would make sure to go there.
I don't know the last time I had a milkshake.
Just not really in my diet these days.
But I'd go have a steak and shake milkshake just to support the team.
Some other headlines here.
State Department formally notifies Congress it is dissolving USAID.
State Department will absorb remaining USAID programming as independent agency is dismantled.
Shut it down.
Shut it down.
Meanwhile, Corey Mills, representative from Florida trying to shut down illegal immigration, proposes a bill that I think is genius.
It's a no-brainer.
And that is, if you ever enter the country illegally, if you enter the United States illegally, you are no longer ever qualified for U.S. citizenship.
The No Citizenship for Aliens Act.
So, it's a brilliant piece of legislation.
It's a no-brainer piece of legislation.
So, what are the Democrats doing?
Well, they're going to go ahead and investigate them.
Because they love their illegal immigrant voters and money laundering pawns.
Ethics committee advances investigation into GOP's Cory Mills.
Ethics watchdog says Congressman Cory Mills may have lied about finances and isn't cooperating.
So, look.
Cory Mills is probably engaging in politics as normal.
And he'll have to defend whatever's going on with these finances, and it could all be above board, or maybe there's something there.
But I'm not going to sit here and point the finger at Corey Mills with, like, they're claiming a million dollars of questionable funding when I've got Pelosi and Waters and Newsom and all these Democrats that have made tens of millions, hundreds of millions.
But, you know, I've thought about this a lot, and I've realized eventually somebody's going to have to go down.
And it'll be a Republican.
And it was kind of like a George Santos situation, but that wasn't really the one.
But, you know, this could be a situation where somebody in the GOP is just going to have to take a fall, probably.
And I'm not saying it should be Corey Mills, or I'm not saying he's corrupt.
He'll go through this investigation and whatever will happen.
But, I mean, eventually someone's going to say, okay, you know what?
They come after me with an ethics violation because I took whatever this loan was or this campaign funding.
So you know what?
I'll man up to it.
I'll say I did it.
You want to say it's unethical?
Fine. Let me tell you what really goes on in Congress.
So it's kind of like what George Santos did, but his case wasn't really as big of a case.
Even to an extent with...
What was the young guy's name?
The handicapped guy's name.
I think it was North Carolina Cawthorn, right?
Madison Cawthorn was his name.
It's kind of like when they booted him and he was like, hey, you know in D.C. there's a bunch of drug-fueled orgies and crap.
Then it all came out.
So it's kind of like there's going to be a big case with big money and someone's going to go down and they're going to say, fine, you want to hit me for a million?
You tell me how these people are making hundreds of millions and then come back to me and see if they get invested for ethics and violations.
All right.
Representative Tim Burchett was just approached by a radical leftist at the Capitol.
And he was able to manage not attacking the individual like Jasmine Crockett.
But how did Tim Burchett handle that situation?
unidentified
Do you trust Trump's national security team to keep our war plans top secret?
Do you trust your mother every night to fix your hot pockets and make sure your Game Boy is turned on?
Done! Fatality.
Yeah, that put him to rest real quick, didn't it, guys?
He just didn't.
owen shroyer
Frozen. Paralyzed.
He's sitting there.
He's thinking to himself, he's like, man, you know, sometimes the center of my mom's hot pocket actually is kind of cold.
Like, how did he know that?
unidentified
Dang. Is my Game Boy going to be right?
owen shroyer
Tim Burchett, that's just amazing.
All right.
We're now joined by veteran and January 6th defendant John Cameron.
You can follow him on X at JohnRocksHomes.
Dad at DefendingDemocracy.com as well.
John, what I find so interesting about your story, there's a bit of a uniqueness to your story because you kind of went through this process in 2020 and then becoming a January 6th defendant, which I would say will let you put it into words, but it sounds like it kind of changed your entire political belief system, paradigm.
You went from somebody that was maybe...
Politically neutral or not really sure how much it really impacted you.
But then once you went through the COVID tyranny and then becoming a January 6th defendant, things changed radically.
So let's talk about your story as a veteran, a January 6th defendant, and where you're at politically today compared to say five years ago.
john m cameron
Thank you, Owen.
First off, I want to thank you for your sacrifice and being a J-6 political prisoner and everything that you went through and still carrying truth and working hard like you are right now.
My story is a little bit different.
I'll say I'm not a military veteran.
I'm a J-6 veteran.
I'm still a veteran of that battle, and I'm still fighting it in many ways, shapes, or forms.
You described a little bit of my path.
My path of, it's a journey into conservatism.
I went from, I call myself a political, I was a political atheist.
I couldn't even have described, given a definition of liberal, conservative, Republican, or Democrat prior to October of 2020.
And as we know, that process through 2020 changed a lot of people.
For me in particular, I saw.
You said COVID charity.
I'll call it biomedical police state.
I was kicked out of a ball field playing catch with my son when Washington State locked down.
I saw pot shops and AA meetings shut down, but pot shops, liquor stores were allowed to stay open.
We had the Summer of Love in Seattle, and you were either locked in your house or you could go out and protest in Seattle.
I say now that communism was steamrolling into America, and it changed me.
And then come election of 2020, I was still debating whether or not I was going to vote for Trump or Biden.
I was a low-information voter.
I didn't pay any attention really to prior to that 2020 and what was...
You know, happening in my state and lockdowns, I paid very little attention.
I voted for Trump in 2016.
I thought a businessman running the country was a good idea.
That was it.
You know, didn't pay any attention, didn't follow the Russian collusion hoax, didn't follow anything.
And then in October of 2020, when I was deciding who I was going to vote for, you know, and a lot of people will remember, but it's...
Hunter Biden's laptop dropped.
Miranda Devine's article from the New York Post hit the internet and social media.
And consequently, I saw censorship for the first time.
And that was the New York Post and Miranda Devine's, both their Twitter platform where they were deplatformed.
Kayleigh McEnany was deplatformed.
And I realized on top of what I had just seen all summer long, now there was this censorship machine happening.
And at that time, I was still so new to politics.
And I live in a liberal state.
I have liberal family members.
I decided to join the silent minority of, you know, I'll support Trump, but I'm too afraid to say anything.
A 50-year-old man, too afraid to defend my thoughts.
owen shroyer
Truth. Well, I mean, you know, Democrats have turned into radical terrorists, so it's, you know, you're not alone in that.
john m cameron
Well, I didn't realize, still so new and naive, Owen, I didn't realize how much hate there was until I saw it firsthand coming at me from family members, my father.
And, you know, when I came out, I came out as a conservative after the election.
You know, I thought I'd go, hey, I'll let my vote speak for itself.
Voted for Trump.
Went to bed.
And we know what happened.
Woke up the next morning and then realized on top of everything I had seen, now we have election irregularities, you know, that I thought elections were fair and safe.
I thought CNN was honest journalism until this point.
owen shroyer
Well, I think you, like many Americans, you kind of went through this trifecta of the process.
Okay, the COVID tyranny, and then the political persecution, and then, of course, the stolen election, and it's just like, wow.
Then you go through the justice system, you realize you never had a shot at justice.
It's a real eye-awakening experience.
Now, what about the situation?
I want to hear this because you are in Washington.
How bad is it with the left in Washington, specifically Seattle?
A lot of these videos we have of leftists attacking Teslas, it's happening in Seattle.
I mean, how big of a story is that in Washington?
john m cameron
Well, we have the same problem of messaging in Washington State regarding any left versus right messaging.
For instance, our local newspaper came out with a big hit piece on some local conservative protesting that protested a local candidate, yet are very silent on all the online Tesla vandalism.
I say that Washington State is now fully captured by communism.
Some of the laws being passed in Olympia, our capital, are all the most egregious pro-pedophile, pro-men in women's sports, that Washington State needs a lot of help.
owen shroyer
Well, you know, I've seen some of these proposals, like the Greater Idaho proposal and stuff like that, to try to look for a solution to just get away from the leftist politics of Seattle.
And that's what happens in so many of these states, is the blue metropolitan areas end up just destroying the entire state.
It's not something that just Washington is going through, but, you know, that is kind of at least a proposed solution we've seen gain some ground in Washington.
Well, John, I'm glad that you're here.
I'm glad that, you know, going through all of this has woken you up and made you vocal.
It's upsetting.
Sometimes you have to go through the worst situations to have that awakening, but it's happened with you, and I appreciate you sharing your story with us here today.
john m cameron
All right.
Keep fighting, Patriot, and I love steak and shake.
owen shroyer
Well, maybe we'll enjoy a milkshake together sometime.
It would be the first milkshake I've had in years.
Honestly, I can't even tell you.
I had a lot of them as a kid, but lately, I don't know.
All right.
Thank you so much, John Cameron.
And if you go and you follow his ex account, you'll see a lot more of his story and all the things he's gone through to land him where he's at.
But it is the story of taking somebody who's politically neutral.
Uninterested, whatever, and then going through this and realizing, no, I better get involved politically.
Or you might end up like this in the UK where they're having new policies.
Keir Starmer, new policies.
I won't say it.
Let's hear from Great Britain News exactly what these new policies are.
unidentified
Clip 15. And Shibana Mahmood, who is the Justice Secretary, and saying, I'm afraid to say, these are what's going to happen.
And from Tuesday, this is what will happen.
Judges will prepare pre-sentencing reports when necessary.
And if someone is of ethnic, cultural or faith minority, or a young person under 25, or a woman or a pregnant woman, they will get a special sentencing report.
Normally, those pre-sentencing reports do mean that the sentence is mitigated, that time is taken off.
For a jail term, for example.
What it means, though, is that white men are going to be treated a lot tougher by judges from Tuesday compared to other groups in society.
owen shroyer
So there you have it.
White men will be treated harsher than others in the justice system in Great Britain.
unidentified
Wow. Wow.
owen shroyer
That's crazy, man.
They don't even hide it anymore.
It's like it was always obvious, now they say it.
I don't even want to get into the racial stuff today, but I mean, that's some crazy stuff.
Could you imagine if he said that about any other demographic racial identity group?
Any other one?
It'd be national news, he'd be a gigantic racist, it'd be all of it.
unidentified
But hey, you know, against whites, it's good to go.
It's okay.
owen shroyer
It's okay to discriminate against whites, don't you know?
In fact, it's encouraged.
You know.
The whites that built Europe.
Those whites.
Yeah. Those ones.
By the way, Democrats know that their own people are terrorists.
And that's why they have to purchase anti-Elon Musk bumper stickers to put on their Teslas.
Because they know a Democrat terrorist is going to vandalize their Tesla.
So, I mean, even Democrats know they're terrorists.
This was an amazing thing.
Tiffany Fong was interviewing Sam Bankman-Fried.
By the way, that interview he did from jail has actually gotten him in trouble.
He got sent to solitary, and then he got transferred to a new prison.
So he's no longer in New York.
I think they said he was going to Oklahoma.
So that interview we did with Tucker, he ended up getting punished for that.
So I guess he didn't get the green light.
But nonetheless, here he is admitting in a phone call to Tiffany Fong that he was donating to Republicans politically, but he didn't want anyone to know because he was scared what would happen if liberals found out.
unidentified
Listen to this, clip 16. I will say, though, that in my first interview with Sam Bakeman-Fried, he claimed that he donated about equal amounts to Republicans as he did to Democrats, but donated to Republicans dark because he was worried that journalists would freak out because they're so liberal.
I donated to both parties.
I donated about to St.
Louis both parties this year.
All my Republican donations were dark.
Super long, damn.
And the reason was not for regulatory reasons.
It's because reporters freak the fuck out if you donate to a Republican.
They're all super liberal and didn't want to have that.
So I guess that's one of the few things that Sam has working in his favor.
owen shroyer
So there you go.
I kept my Republican donations dark.
Because I know liberals would freak the F out and they're violent terrorists.
I mean, that's the context.
That's the insinuation.
And everybody knows it.
Everybody knows it.
Even Democrats know it.
And we have to sit here and live with it every day.
Here's one.
You'll recognize this guy.
Justin Pearson in Tennessee.
He's leading all kinds of protests in Tennessee.
And they have a gun legislation debate.
Now, this is sad because his brother apparently committed suicide, shot himself.
It's a very sad situation.
And so somehow he turns that into a gun legislation thing.
So it is a tragedy, and you feel bad for that loss of life, and he has to go through that.
But somehow, I don't know why that would translate to gun legislation.
But he's up there, upset at his brother's suicide, shooting himself.
He's stumping for gun legislation or anti-gun legislation, anti-Second Amendment legislation.
Well, it doesn't really go well in Tennessee and still a conservative state.
And so it fails.
And so he decides he's going to approach the assembly and get into one of the individual's faces and lunge at him.
This is totally unhinged behavior that you only see from radical left-wing extremists who are...
Prone to violence like this in clip 17. The no's prevail.
unidentified
House bill 1392 fails.
Five minute recess.
owen shroyer
So he's screaming, cursing at him.
That's why the sound goes off.
Lunging at him, pointing at him, getting in his face.
Of course, he's got his little African garb on there, too.
I don't know if he's ever been to Africa, but he has to be excused from the meeting.
And then the other, the Republican is just sitting there taking it.
Representative Sevierville just remaining calm and collected.
But this is what they're prone to, this violence, folks.
They're totally unhinged.
They've completely lost their minds.
There's no other way to put it.
But it's interesting.
It's like, what has happened to these Democrats?
We've seen the transformation of these radical Democrats.
Look at Jasmine Crockett.
You go look at interviews she was doing five years ago.
She actually was well-spoken.
She presented herself well.
She was brought up.
She was not a poor person.
She was not raised in the ghetto.
Far from it.
But now she presents herself as some like...
You know, ghetto, ratchet, bimbo.
It's like she's had this transformation.
Was it organic?
Did you do it consciously because you think it's cool?
I don't know.
But Pearson, we find out, has had a similar transformation.
This was Pearson, I believe this was 2016.
I don't have it on my list here, but it was in the video I sent.
I think it was 2016.
This is the same guy.
This is the same guy.
unidentified
Go ahead, give me clip 18. Justin J. Pearson, and I'm running for president of PSG.
There are a few reasons that we're running this campaign this year.
One has to do with representation.
How can we represent all voices in a conversation?
I want to do this by partnering with organizations from the Putin Democrats to the Putin Republicans.
I want to bring together different voices, dissenting voices, voices that may be more liberal or more conservative, in order that we can reach a point of sort of the radical middle.
Seems like the NRA and gun lobbyists might win.
But oh, that was good news for us.
I don't know how long this Saturday in the state of Tennessee might last.
But oh, we have good news, folks.
We've got good news that Sunday always comes.
owen shroyer
So, there you go.
It was 2016.
unidentified
So, what is that?
owen shroyer
Is that some sort of weird mental disorder, like a Trump derangement syndrome, liberalism, mental disorder, whatever, and it's just like, it woke mind virus, it's happening organically to them, you see this transformation, it's what happens when you become a radical extreme leftist, or is this like a conscious thing that they're faking, pretending to be...
Something they're not or pretending to be something, this transformation because they think it's more popular or they're trying to rebrand, reinvent themselves.
It's the same thing with Jasmine Crockett.
But, I mean, see, you can always tell.
You know, one thing you're always going to get from me is consistency.
Logical consistency.
But you can go back.
I would challenge you.
It'd probably be difficult to find it because I've been banned from YouTube for so long now.
But you go back.
When I started doing my YouTube shows on politics, probably about 2013 or so, I sound the exact same as I do now.
Exact same.
If you can find it.
But with these radical leftists, it's like a totally different person.
Jasmine Crockett, she's a totally different person.
Justin Pearson, totally different person.
What is that?
It's very odd.
They're just total phonies, just to the core, total phonies.
All right, let's take a call here.
Let's go to Josh, a Marine in Illinois.
Josh, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, Owen.
Howdy. I know you wanted to talk about Doge today, and they're scared to death of Elon Musk.
You know, they don't know what we have on them, like Maxine Waters said.
Yeah. Josh, are you there?
owen shroyer
We lost you.
Are you still there?
I think we may have lost Josh, guys.
Did we lose his connection?
Let's go ahead and put him on hold.
We'll give him another shot.
Sounds like he just lost connection there.
Okay, let's try then.
Let's go to Michael, Navy veteran in Virginia.
Michael, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
qc in virginia
Yes, sir.
Hey, Owen.
Yeah, these criminals should go to jail for what they did to our country.
The Supreme Court would be considered a joke.
Our laws would be considered a joke.
And as Americans, we would be considered a joke if we allowed those people to be defended by them.
You know, if it was us, first of all, I would face on our treasure.
If it was us, we'd all be in prison, like you guys went to jail.
The January 6th went to jail.
These people should go to jail and prison for, number one, destroying our economy.
It's out of control.
You know, and number two, giving away our secrets to China.
Giving away our secrets to China.
owen shroyer
Well, think about how sold out the left is.
When Tucker Carlson goes to Russia, and say whatever you want about Russia or Putin, Tucker's presentation, but the point is that Tucker goes to Russia and he says, hey, look at this subway.
Look at this public transit that they have here.
Look at this metro transit that they have here.
Can you find anything like this in the United States of America?
And the answer is no.
That's just a fact.
Whether you like Tucker or not, whether you like Russia or not, it doesn't matter.
You cannot find public transit like he was displaying in Russia in the United States.
You can't find it.
And it's, oh my gosh, Tucker, he's pro-Russia now.
He's a Putin stooge.
It's like, no, no, no.
Address what he's saying.
Have you been to the subway system in New York City?
Have you seen it?
Have you seen it in Chicago?
Have you been there?
And so it's like they can't even sit here and say, hmm, maybe I don't like Tucker, maybe I don't like Putin, but hmm.
That is a nice subway station.
Why don't we have something like that?
They can't focus on anything of substance because they're so filled with hatred.
qc in virginia
This guy, Corey, Corey Brooks or Corey Banks, whoever he is, he's the small guy in the totem pole.
We should be going, first of all, we'll save him for last because he'll come to us, our representative, God be pleased, he'll come to our representative.
And he will say, I'm ready to make a deal.
Because let's go for the big guys first.
And we'll work our way down to the small guys.
We need a big guy to go to jail, to be locked up in prison.
Look what they tried to do to you.
owen shroyer
Well, I would say, you know, Senator Bob Menendez, with his case, that's a pretty big one.
But see, they don't talk about it, do they, Michael?
Because he's a Democrat.
qc in virginia
Yeah, he's along the way.
He's a small guy.
How about the CIA people who were in charge?
How about the military people that were in charge who were traitors?
How about those people?
How about those people who got away with selling secrets on their computer laptop because of some prostitutes?
owen shroyer
Yeah, well, I mean, look.
A trillion dollars or whatever it is they're going to find.
Look, they're going to find over a trillion in waste, fraud, and abuse.
They'll be able to actually track probably around half of that.
They'll probably be able to actually track about $500 billion of it.
And then I'm guessing about $500 billion of it is totally untrackable, untraceable.
They might be able to follow some trail with an idea of where it ends up.
But my guess is most of it, like when they talk about they just print money, it just goes into the ether.
There's no record.
A lot of the deals and the funding has no record.
There's no way to trace it.
It's just gone.
So it's going to be hard to track and trace a lot of it.
But, again, it's like you're saying.
When you find out who is the benefactor of this fraud and who is running the fraud, they need to go to jail.
There's no other way to put it, Michael.
I appreciate your call.
I mean, I would even argue...
And I mean, it's just true, folks.
It's just true.
Everybody gets it.
And I'm not even trying to build up your hopes or promising that it's going to happen or even think I'm not even sure I think it's going to happen.
But I mean, really, there should be hundreds if not thousands of arrests before Trump leaves office.
The people that have been stealing our money, the people that have been selling our country out, the people that have been illegally going after Donald Trump, the entire political crime syndicate.
That's been going after Trump, going after his supporters, going after Musk, stealing our money.
I mean, really, they all need to go to jail.
I mean, would you call it a failure if they didn't?
Some probably will.
I might be one of them.
But it's like, how can we sit here and talk about all the criminals, talk about the treason, talk about the crime, and then nobody gets arrested?
It's like the same thing with the Epstein list.
It's like Epstein was the number one...
Sex trafficker in the world.
Well, but he had no clients.
That doesn't make sense.
It's like, oh, criminals run our country, but there's no criminals.
No, people need to go to jail.
All right, thank you, Michael.
We have concluded two hours of today's transmission.
Short break.
We'll be right back.
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I'm sure it will invoke a lot of emotion.
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Whether you like it or not, that'll be up to you.
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I really enjoyed it.
We're going to air about half of that here today.
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And Infowars.com.
So I'll make sure that you can find that full interview.
We're going to have about half of it today for you on the show.
I want to finish up with some of our callers that have been holding.
Oh, did we just...
It looks like one of them just dropped.
Okay. So since that's the case, let me just pile drive through some of this news, and then I'm going to go to Josh and Donnie.
And that's going to be it for the calls today.
And then we are going to air the first half of the Phil Turney interview.
And then we're going to post the entire thing as where I said it's going to go.
So let me just hit some of these headlines real quickly.
Rubio says State Department has revoked more than 300 student visas.
Now, as I've said, this is not going to be my big hill to die on.
I will cover it because it's newsworthy.
I will...
Offer my opinion on it, but I will say this.
And guys, pull up that video from earlier this week where that Tufts doctor student got yanked off the streets because she wrote a pro-Palestinian piece over a year ago.
I just want logical consistency, and Ron Paul covered this.
I forget who the guest on his show was, but he covered this last night and did a good job.
But I'm looking for logical consistency.
And let's just be honest about this, folks.
Let's just be honest.
No matter how you feel about the conflict in Gaza or Israel or Palestine, let's isolate this incidence and let's be honest about things that are happening here.
And specifically from the conservative side.
If you saw this, guys, can we, let's just try to keep the video of her getting dragged off the streets up.
And I know that was just some B-roll you had up, but yeah, let's just keep that on the screen.
If you saw this in any other country, specifically a conservative, specifically a right-winger, if we saw this in any other country, you know what the commentary would be.
This is authoritarian.
This is communist.
We'd probably even raid that country with our military.
You'd have conservatives calling...
For our military to intervene, if you saw this, you'd have sanctions.
You know I'm right.
If you saw this happening in any other country, it would be deemed communist and authoritarianism.
And people would be up in arms.
If this was happening when Biden was president, same story.
If this happened when Joe Biden was president, it would be authoritarian, it would be communist, and conservatives would be up in arms.
But they're not.
They're not.
Instead, they're supporting it.
Why? Why do we have this logical inconsistency?
I'm not going to give you why I think it's going on.
I'll leave that for your own discretion.
But you know what I said is right.
If you saw this in any other country, or if you saw this in the Biden administration, right-wingers and conservatives would be calling it communists and authoritarians, and they'd be up in arms.
So why aren't they over this?
Why aren't they?
Why isn't there the consistency?
All right, we're about to air the first half of the Phil Turney interview from last night that I recorded with the crew.
Very captivating and compelling.
It will be very...
Thought-provoking.
I'm sure emotionally provoking as well.
We've got that coming up first half.
We are also going to take a couple more calls from our veterans.
I'm going to go to the ones that have been holding the longest.
I'm going to go back to Josh and Donnie.
So to the other...
Yeah, just hold on a second.
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Again, just to clarify, the veterans that are on the line that we already have your name, I will take your call.
To the other ones that we haven't taken your name or you're trying to call in, we're going to be out of time for the day.
But since we did take these guys' names, I'm not going to put them on.
I'm going to get you on air.
So let's go ahead and start then.
Let's go to Josh, a Marine in Illinois.
Josh, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, Owen.
Sorry I lost you.
owen shroyer
That's all right.
We got you loud and clear now.
unidentified
All right, good.
Trucking is wild.
But I wanted to call about nationwide constitutional carry.
The end of January, Congressman Massey, he filed for 648, the bill for nationwide constitutional carry.
I'm a truck driver.
I go all across the United States.
I sleep in major cities, and it is.
Not safe.
And if I was to get pulled over, right now I'm in Illinois, if I was to get pulled over and had a DOT inspection by state patrol, and if I had a firearm, even though I'm a Marine, I'm an Iraqi veteran, and I have a license to carry in the state where I'm from, the state where I live, I could go to prison anywhere in the country.
So that's why I think that it's important.
owen shroyer
Well, didn't Trump sign the executive order that's reciprocal for that?
So that shouldn't be null and void, shouldn't it?
unidentified
I am not aware of that.
But that's why I was trying to get a hold of you, get a hold of Alex, get a hold of whoever I can, the biggest megaphone that I can trying to put this in.
owen shroyer
I thought, maybe I'm misinterpreting something, but I thought part of the executive order on the Second Amendment was that states basically, Have to be reciprocal when it comes to constitutional carry.
In other words, you can carry across state lines.
I could be wrong.
This is not me giving legal advice, so don't take this as an actual legal breakdown.
That was my interpretation.
I'd double-check on that, but it is ironic.
You bring up Massey's bill, and Trump did sign the executive order on Second Amendment, and he has done good for the Second Amendment.
He hasn't done perfect, but he's done good.
There's other things that need to be done.
But it is ironic that Trump would go after Massey politically, who's actually doing constitutional carry bills, and then he'd support Lindsey Graham.
But whatever.
It's just politics.
So hold on a second.
House Judiciary Committee votes to advance concealed carry reciprocity legislation.
So it's not all the way through.
So it looks like the House is trying to do that, and I think some of that might have been in Trump's executive order, but they're just doubling down.
So I don't know exactly your legal situation, but the point is that you should not be punished.
You should not be punished.
You have a Second Amendment right.
And by the way, so do felons.
So do felons.
Okay? And I understand it's a little sensitive, and we don't want violent criminals having guns, but the Second Amendment right is unalienable.
So I don't like what the courts have done to strip away Second Amendment rights.
And by the way, it's not just felons.
Felons get it the worst, but others get their Second Amendment rights stripped as well.
Some January 6th defendants have yet to get their Second Amendment rights back.
So, Josh, you should absolutely be able to carry constitutionally across state lines, but I understand your concern, so I would try to get the right answer on that.
I wouldn't take my legal interpretation here.
I'd try to get the right answer.
unidentified
Well, yeah, you would think that the summer of love in 2020, I was trucking.
Luckily, I had my big German Shepherd with me.
There's tooth marks on my door handle.
So that was the only thing keeping the guys from getting in the truck.
owen shroyer
Hey, I'm just curious.
Did you hear about that story we covered, how it looks like they have this hub where they're bringing in illegal immigrants, fast-tracking a visa so they can drive freight?
Did you hear about that?
unidentified
Oh, yes.
Oh, yeah.
owen shroyer
Do you see a lot of that?
unidentified
They're all over the place.
owen shroyer
Yeah. Yeah, I figured that was a problem.
Trump needs to address that.
That needs to be addressed.
Americans should drive freight.
Look, it's kind of a thankless job.
You know, the hours are tough, but it's a good American job, and it should be an American job.
If you're going to haul freight in America, you should be an American.
They shouldn't be flying in illegal immigrants and giving them visas to haul freight at a cheap rate.
That angers me.
unidentified
Well, they're lying to the people saying that there's a trucker shortage right now, and it's not.
owen shroyer
That's always their excuse.
That's always their excuse.
Oh, there's a shortage.
They just want cheap labor.
Josh, thank you for the call.
I've got to bounce.
Let's go to Donnie, Navy veteran in New Jersey.
Donnie, go ahead.
unidentified
South Jersey, how you doing?
Good. Good to talk to you.
I think Trump is the best president I've had in my lifetime.
Unfortunately, again, the last one was Reagan, I do believe.
But I don't think he's moving fast enough.
I really don't think he's moving fast enough, man.
This USA thing has got me disgusted.
And I think we can do something about it as keyboard warriors.
I mean, I'm getting up there in the agent, but I can still research with the best of them.
I would like for Dodge to possibly affiliate us and give us a chance to help them and figure out where all this goddamn money went to.
owen shroyer
Well, it's going to take forensic auditors and, I mean, look, there might have to be Subpoenas, warrants.
I wouldn't be surprised if you get, at some point, probably even some of these banks might try to protect what's going on.
Because at the end of the day, and I, look, there's a reason why a lot of people put their money offshore.
You know, Swiss banks offshore, whatever.
There's a reason for that.
And look, there should be, you should have privacy when it comes to banks.
So I'm not trying to go off on some other issue here.
Kind of like, you know, attorney-client privilege.
You should have banker-client privilege.
They shouldn't be stalking you and asking you questions.
But at the end of the day, you know, I mean, Maxine Waters pouring millions of dollars or Pelosi pouring millions of dollars or any of these guys, I mean, the banks have all that.
And so if there's a subpoena and a warrant, they should, you know, they should be willing to cooperate.
But I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing, if these forensic auditors start trying to get access, figure out what the hell's going on, if maybe some of these banks don't try to stop it.
unidentified
Well, why was the Google search for D.C.?
Why was that number one as soon as Trump come in?
And why did the Google search for offshoring money?
I spent a month in D.C. This wasn't too, too long ago.
It was about a decade ago.
I spent a month helping my brother, working on a hotel.
He did the locks.
And every night, I would come down and have my one drink at the bar.
And, oh my God, my skin crawled for a month.
And I kept on telling my brother, something's wrong with this area.
Something is wrong.
I think it's just pure evil there.
That's my only feeling on D.C. It's just evil.
And let's pray.
owen shroyer
Let's pray for the doge.
They call it the District of Criminals for a reason, Donnie.
Maybe I'll hear from you a month from now and the next veterans call in.
And maybe we'll have an update there.
Maybe we'll have some new developments, Donnie.
Thanks for the call.
Let's go to James, Air Force veteran, Indiana.
James, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yeah, there's news out the crew can look up.
the Jackie Olorski VA refusing to display Trump photo.
Supposedly, the latest update is that they haven't received it, but there are some DEI issues they need to address.
The VA has been nothing but problems and have caused numerous suicides.
I would like to see Trump let veterans keep their insurance after basic training and turn the VA into an admin function only.
The VA IG fired by Trump was on 60 Minutes recently, but saying they are there for veterans.
Where was the IG when the VA failed 40 veterans that died?
Veteran moon suicide and the 400,000 veterans pushed aside for illegals.
How many suicides has the IG's office caused?
It was all over Fox News.
The IG's office has been targeting and retaliating against people for speaking out.
owen shroyer
I think the best thing to do, I mean, you offer one solution, and I think choice.
It's kind of like with school choice.
Give veterans health care choice.
Give them health care choice.
Make sure the VA resources are always available to them.
But at the end of the day, if they want a private health care or insurer or whatever the case is, then that should be taken care of, too.
And then that forces the VA to either do better work or, you know, basically become administrators, like you said.
unidentified
Two more quick things.
You've got to pull up the new Idaho potato commercial.
The guy in the back alley selling potatoes looks just like Harrison.
I thought Jones wasn't paying him enough.
out there selling potatoes.
So Harrison's show said InfoWars was illegally wired.
You know, I could expand on that a little bit.
owen shroyer
I'm not going to right now.
Maybe on a different day, at a different time.
But, yeah, there's something weird, I think, went on or maybe continues to go on.
But I'll leave it at that for now, James.
Let's go to Doug, our final caller of the day.
Navy veteran San Diego.
Go ahead.
unidentified
No, actually, I'm in Rapid City, South Dakota.
owen shroyer
You know what?
I read a story about San Diego earlier today within like a migrant town.
And so I saw the San Diego and I just went there.
I didn't even think South Dakota.
But, yep, go ahead.
unidentified
Okay. So I wanted to tell you two things.
My father was an officer on submarines.
And he was in the meds during the Six Days War.
And he actually witnessed the attack on the Liberty from his...
owen shroyer
Wow. When you called in, did you know I was going to air the Phil Turney interview?
unidentified
No, I know.
I was going to talk to you about the COVID vaccine, but then you said that, and I figured I'd tell you this.
The USS Amberjack?
owen shroyer
That's going to come up.
That's going to come up in the interview.
unidentified
Wow. Oh, is it really?
owen shroyer
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah. So he told me that they witnessed the attack.
He got the distress call.
They witnessed the attack.
They shot film of the entire attack through the periscope.
Wow. They pulled in.
They went to both the Liberty and the Amberjack, pulled into Malta, which is a port over there in the Meds.
After the attack, he said, Everything you just said...
owen shroyer
This is crazy.
And this just shows how real it is, folks.
I'm so glad you got in, Doug.
That was a God thing right there.
Everything you just said is exactly...
same thing that I heard from Phil.
You didn't even know I was going to, you didn't even know you were going to be followed by that.
unidentified
No. Wow.
But my, my father, he's one of the most amazing people I've ever met.
He is not afraid of anything or anyone.
I've tried to convince him for 10 years now to write down, and I've, I've corresponded with survivors from the Liberty, and they begged me, please get them to write down his, what he saw.
And, you know, Well, they wanted to talk to him, but he absolutely refused.
He's scared to death.
He's afraid he's going to lose his pension and they're going to send him to jail.
So it's a shame.
But yeah, that's the way that they handled it.
They came on and just threatened everybody.
owen shroyer
Well, that's an amazing confirmation of exactly what we're going to hear from Phil Turney here in just a short minute, Doug.
So I'm glad you got in.
Thank you for that call.
Let me kind of just pile drive through a couple of these stories because I want you to know about some things that are going on here.
Republicans rushed to avoid a stunning Democrat upset in Florida District 6. Randy Fine versus Joshua Weill.
Folks, here's the deal.
Randy Fine, he got in because of AIPAC.
He got in because the Jewish lobby wanted him in.
He was always a bad candidate.
There were other candidates that would have been much better, but that's who they went with.
It's not really resonating amongst Florida conservatives.
And they just assumed...
I'm telling you, every interview he does, he goes on Levin, every interview he does is about Israel.
He doesn't even talk about America.
And so, not really resonating with Florida conservatives.
Now they're looking at the polls up against this election, this special election, and they're like, whoa.
It's like, we thought this one would be a gimme.
Now, it's funny that they're focusing on Randy Fine.
More so than the Pennsylvania election that they just lost and the Wisconsin election that it looks like they're going to lose, which is the most important one, potentially.
But so, okay, now they've got a problem in Florida.
So there could be some major lessons to learn there.
We'll stay up to date on that.
And then, you know what?
Somebody, Liz Harrington, actually looked deeper into that loss that they just had in Pennsylvania.
Folks, shenanigans look like the case here.
From Liz Harrington, something stinks in Pennsylvania.
The 36th district has not had a Democrat state senator since it moved from Philadelphia to Lancaster County in 1979.
So we're talking over, what are we talking, 50 years here?
It's been always red.
Went plus 16 for Trump four months ago.
But now Democrats win and had all these mail-in votes.
There were more mail-in votes for the Democrat candidate than Democrat voters who requested them.
This has shenanigans written all over it, folks.
So, again, though, Republicans just asleep at the switch in this Pennsylvania special election that now looks like the Democrats stole.
So, it's just same damn story, isn't it?
Now, Musk is on the move in Wisconsin.
Pressler's on the move in Wisconsin.
There might be an opportunity to save that from going to the Democrats, but that's a long shot.
Now they're probably going to focus, the GOP will probably all focus on the Randy Fine race in Florida, even though that should be the easy victory, but they went with a candidate that wasn't really that popular.
But Trump will endorse him.
I'm sure Trump will, he already has endorsed him.
Trump will, I'm sure, make another resounding endorsement before that election.
But that's likely where the GOP will put most of its effort and resources and not in the Wisconsin Supreme Court race.
Which is pathetic because the Wisconsin Supreme Court race will probably have bigger implications and Florida should be an easy win for them.
It's crazy.
This is something wild is happening in Texas.
Tragedy rocks Texas Sheriff's Office after four deputies die by suicide in six weeks.
I don't buy that.
Something is going on.
I don't buy that all of them are committing suicide.
I think they either knew something they shouldn't have known or were a part of something and now there's a cover-up.
This one is a crazy story here in the Harris County Sheriff's Office.
Harris County, man.
They got problems over there.
Boy. So, I don't know about you, but I don't buy that for one second.
By the way, There was a wildfire started in South Carolina.
It was arson.
Now that wildfire has gotten really bad.
South Carolina wildfire keeps growing as firefighters are fighting to protect homes.
Now it's in North Carolina.
Wildfires in western North Carolina, highest priority blaze in the United States.
North Carolina hasn't been through enough lately, so we hope that they can get these situations taken care of before the weekend, which is supposed to be a hot weekend, by the way.
What's going on with the bees?
Winter bee deaths hit decade high, challenging beekeepers.
U.S. honeybee deaths hit record high as scientists scramble to find the main cause.
Well, it's probably all the crap we're spraying in the sky, in the ground, and all the unnatural things that are killing the bug life.
That's what that is.
You know, they're pollinators.
So when you poison those plants and then you poison the bees, And it's well known, they say, I'd not like to find out for sure, but they say if the bees die in 10 years, humans die too.
Let's not learn that the hard way, you know?
Let's try to avoid learning that the hard way.
More on this corrupt judge, Boesberg.
The activist judge actively obstructing Trump's agenda has a daughter whose NGO offers legal aid to illegal immigrants.
Oh! Including members of MS-13 and Trendayaragua!
The NGO isn't directly funded by taxpayers through USAID!
Starting to get it?
Starting to see how it all works?
All these people fighting against Doge and Musk?
And Trump?
They're all on the take somehow.
They're all on the take somehow.
And then, Judge Boasberg, the activist judge blocking Trump from deporting violent gang members, intentionally delayed the release of Hillary Clinton's emails until after the 2016 election.
He was the one on that case.
Now he's the one blocking Trump's agenda.
Now he's the one on the Signal case.
I mean, give me a break, folks.
This couldn't be more obvious if it was a two-by-four smacking you in the face.
Trump cuts billion-dollar grant to eugenicist Bill Gates' Gavi vaccine program from Adon Salazar at Infowars.com for more information.
Bill Gates has said he's given up on climate change, by the way.
I guess the funding ran out.
But he does predict, said in a recent interview, he does predict that very soon humans will no longer be necessary.
But you can go watch him play baseball or something.
So how many of you play baseball?
Uh-huh.
Maybe there's some ballplayers in the audience.
All right.
When we come back, the first half, it'll actually be probably closer to a third of my Phil Turney interview.
We're debuting the first of it coming up in the next segment.
The entire interview can be found at band.video, at realalexjonesonx, and at owensroyer1776.
phil tourney
That's why I'm here today, because they don't have a voice, but I do.
And I've been called a Nazi.
A Jew hater, an anti-Semitic, a no-good SOB for telling the truth that our government won't do.
From LBJ to Donald J. Trump, the president right now will not touch his subject.
It's buried like anything you could ever believe.
And we're alive, and we're telling the truth, and we asked President Trump, hey, you're opening up JFK, you say, RFK, MLK Jr.?
What about the USS Liberty?
It's been almost 58 years.
Tell the truth about it.
It was a pre-planned attack, and our government set us up to be slaughtered by a foreign government, and they couldn't wait to do it.
They enjoyed what they did.
They enjoyed killing American sailors on the high seas.
unidentified
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owen shroyer
Owen Schroer here from Infowars, and today we are going to be hearing a war story from an incident that doesn't get much coverage until recently.
And we're going to talk to one of the survivors of the USS Liberty about that day, the epic day that it was, as well as some of the events surrounding that incident that are now popping up in modern-day American politics and geopolitics.
So joining me in the InfoWars studios is USS Liberty survivor, Phil Turney.
Phil, I'm glad you're here.
phil tourney
Well, thank you.
Pleasure to be here, and thank you, Juan.
I appreciate the invite.
owen shroyer
And I'm learning through our discussion previously, you've been pretty busy lately.
phil tourney
Yeah, real busy.
Traveling the country, doing a lot of interviews.
Old State Saloon, Mark Fitzpatrick.
I don't know if you've ever heard of him.
owen shroyer
I have.
He did something very politically incorrect recently, didn't he?
phil tourney
Yeah, he did.
owen shroyer
You know, you do that, you get some good press nowadays.
phil tourney
Yeah, you do.
owen shroyer
Well, I'm sure it's good for you and your group.
You are the four-time president of the Liberty Veterans Association.
I'm sure the interest in the press regarding the USS Liberty and the survivors is probably a good thing for you.
phil tourney
It's the best thing that ever happened to us is the alternative media, the Internet and things like that, because the mainstream media are basically Bought and paid for by people that want to hear from me.
People that just want to sweep it under the rug and say it was an accident.
It was a pre-planned attack by the Zionist state to murder us all with the help of our government.
They set us up.
owen shroyer
Well, and it's a story that for somebody like me, I'm a younger guy, it wasn't really in political discussions.
You didn't really see it.
I don't even know, and I'll ask you this later on, but I don't even know if it was in U.S. history books.
I don't know if that's something that your group has looked into.
I'm wondering, is it even covered in the history books?
I mean, you can't look at every single one, but it's like, does it get omitted?
phil tourney
Yeah, it's not talked about.
You know, everybody says it was a mistaken identity, and that is a lie.
It's been a lie for the last almost 58 years.
owen shroyer
Well, I do want to talk about that and some of the discussion that goes on with that today.
But really, what I want to start the conversation with is the story from that day.
I really want to get the picture painted, the sights, the sounds, the smells.
And for somebody like you, you know, your life is on the ship.
You, your shipmates, that's your life.
So let's kind of talk about that.
How many people were on the USS Liberty?
phil tourney
294 souls.
owen shroyer
How many days were you guys out at sea consecutively for this tour?
phil tourney
Well, usually, our steaming was usually up and down the west coast of Africa.
The USS Liberty was the most sophisticated spy ship in the world at the time.
We could bounce signals off the moon and send them back to NASA within three seconds back then.
unidentified
So you can imagine what they can do now.
owen shroyer
In the 60s.
This is the late 60s.
phil tourney
Right. Yeah.
Well, I got aboard the ship in 1965, and I made the last three cruises with it, including the last one.
I missed the first cruise, but I went on the last three.
owen shroyer
So when you say a spy ship, what does that entail?
What is the mission of the crew?
phil tourney
The mission of the crew is to pick up signals out of the sky.
Or any way we could get him and send him back to NSA for him to decipher it if we couldn't do it aboard ship ourself.
owen shroyer
So you're normally coasting along Africa, and were you guys moved in a weird thing?
Was it something like you got sent somewhere else and you were like, hmm, this is strange?
Did you even think twice about it?
phil tourney
It was very strange, Owen.
Our first port, we were on our way to Africa like we always did.
We got in Abidjan, Africa.
We were there about, oh, probably four hours.
And most of the guys had got on the beach already to, you know, get some beer and a little rest and relaxation, get some good food.
But all of a sudden, general quarters rang, and they said, get everybody back aboard ship, ASAP, even if you've got to leave them.
We've got to take off right now.
They did get everybody back aboard, and we took off for parts unknown as fast as we could go.
In fact, George Golden, my division officer, and he was in engineering.
John Scott was my division officer.
He was the head of engineering, George Golden.
He had to take the governors off the main engines.
Ship could go faster, and it was old World War II victory ship turned into a spy ship.
So we didn't know where we were going, but we ended up in Rota, Spain and picked up three more linguists.
They were Marines.
Two of them were killed, by the way.
owen shroyer
These are translators?
phil tourney
Yes. Arabic and other languages, because I wasn't a spy.
I was in ship's company engineering.
And we also picked up another NSA, CIA-type guy named Alan Blue, and he was also killed.
But we picked up those guys, and we headed into the Mediterranean and figured out we were going into the war zone.
All the ships were going the other way, and we were the only ones going that way.
owen shroyer
So the call comes in immediately.
It's a little unorthodox.
You're kind of thinking, this is strange, but you have your command.
Then you're picking up these translators, and are you normally dealing with people that speak Arabic?
Was that kind of another thing that was strange?
phil tourney
Arabic, Russian, probably Hebrew, too.
I mean, there was two parts of the ship.
There was like 200 spies, and the rest of the crew were ship's company, and that's what I was in engineering.
owen shroyer
So you're below deck normally?
phil tourney
Well, yeah, in the engine room and stuff like that, but I worked above deck in sounding security and damage control.
owen shroyer
Okay, so you get the call, you're going to waters you're not normally in, you're picking up some translators, then you're en route, all the other ships are coming the opposite direction.
Was there any point in time where maybe you're kind of looking at your crewmates or, you know, everybody kind of looking around like, hmm, this is strange, what's going on here?
Or was it just mission-oriented, we have our orders, we're going in?
phil tourney
Yeah, we thought it was very strange.
The captain, Captain McGonagall, asked for a destroyer escort because we knew we were going to do a war zone.
We knew the six-day war was on.
Washington denied it.
And he put in another request.
They denied it again.
Said, you're a flagged American ship.
owen shroyer
So no backup, in other words.
phil tourney
No backup at all.
No backup at all.
And there was a reason for that.
owen shroyer
What do you think that reason was?
phil tourney
We were set up by our own government to have the Israelis sink us and blame it on the Arab states and bring us into World War III.
owen shroyer
You know, I wanted to get into that.
And we can go right into that now.
What time did you realize?
Do you remember what time of day it was when you realized you guys were under attack?
phil tourney
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we did.
But on the 7th of June, we arrived on station already.
An Israeli reconnaissance aircraft.
Smaller planes, flying boxcar, DC-3, and other smaller prop planes.
One engine, one prop.
It would buzz the ship.
If it comes to load of the ship, it would shake the deck plates.
We could see the pilots.
We'd wave at them.
They'd wave back.
owen shroyer
So immediately you were on the radar?
phil tourney
Oh, yeah.
Because we were alone.
And we had Stars of Davids all inside the ship because everybody wanted the Israelis to win.
I mean, they were our allies, we thought.
owen shroyer
So you're on the ship.
You've just docked.
This is your first day.
After you were relocated, the Israeli planes are flying overboard.
phil tourney
When we get in the Mediterranean, in the war zone.
Okay. That's when that happened.
owen shroyer
So the Israeli planes are flying overboard, and you're just thinking, okay, this is our allies.
They're just buzzing us in a war zone.
phil tourney
Nothing to worry about.
owen shroyer
Okay. Was it even comforting?
phil tourney
Oh, it felt very great because nobody else was there to help us.
We thought the Arabs would come get us.
owen shroyer
So you're there on the 7th.
When did the events on the 8th, the day of the attack, just kind of walk me through that day, kind of walk me through the 8th?
I'm sure the whole day is very, very solid in your memory.
phil tourney
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Well, we got up at 0600, 6 o'clock, took a shower, went to chow, and went to work.
It's the same thing we always did every day.
I mean, it was like Groundhog Day.
owen shroyer
Are you on the dock at this point still?
phil tourney
No, we're out of sea.
Yeah, we're out in the Mediterranean, 12.5 miles off the coast of Sinai.
Always in the international waters, by the way.
The airplanes, the recon airplanes came over again.
Yeah, at daylight, they started buzzing our ship, taking pictures, and it's still the same thing.
They would dip their wings.
And we felt very comfortable because our best buddies in the whole wide world knew we were there.
Because nobody else was there.
And then they left.
We had a general quarters drill.
It was a chemical drill.
And that lasted about 45 minutes or an hour.
We trained a lot on that ship for different reasons.
You know, fire and damage and just everything else.
Chemical drills.
That's what it was that day.
I was in an impregnated suit.
It was hot out.
A bright, beautiful, sunny day.
Over 12 knots of wind coming across the deck.
The flag was flying.
It was a brand new flag, by the way.
Five by eight colors.
Brand new.
Everybody could see it.
And we secured from general quarters.
And the sound powered phones weren't working and the forward gun mount, the starboard gun mount.
It was my job as a Assistant on scene leader at the time to make sure everything was working.
So I went and got an ice seaman.
He took care of the internal communications and things like that.
And we went back up to the starboard gun mount and he says, I'll take care of attorney.
And the gunner's mate was up there too.
And I looked up to the bridge and I saw the old man up there and he didn't like people.
Goofing around.
You better be doing something.
So I said, guys, I got to get out of here.
Now, you could see the bombs and everything bursting on the on the Sinai.
owen shroyer
Like out in the distance.
Yes. But for the most part, you guys are on sea, normal day, normal day, routine.
phil tourney
We had no fear.
We hit our beautiful American flag to protect us.
I left the forward gun, the starboard gun mount, walked down the ladder.
I took about 30 seconds to get back to my workstation.
I got inside my workstation, the ship fitter shop, and they said, prepare to test the motor whale boat.
They do that every day to make sure it's running in case anything happens.
And it blew up, I thought.
I started to go out the hatch, and a chief grabbed me by the napkin next.
Man, we're under attack.
owen shroyer
So it was that quick?
It was like morning routine, and before you can even finish with it, you're under attack.
phil tourney
Under attack.
owen shroyer
By what time of day was that?
phil tourney
2 o'clock in the afternoon, their time.
And I went down through the mess decks, made my way up to the forward repair party.
The chief had already been hit.
He was the on-site leader, and then he left.
He says, you got it, Darnie.
And I was a 20-year-old kid, and I was in charge of damage control.
But I was good at my job.
I knew what I was doing.
owen shroyer
How much damage had you taken at this point?
Was it just the one explosion?
phil tourney
Oh, no.
No, they were...
Airplane after airplane after airplane.
owen shroyer
So these were aerial assaults?
phil tourney
Yeah, by Mystere and Mirage jets, French jets.
owen shroyer
Was there anything under the water, or was it all aerial?
phil tourney
Well, there were submarines there.
There were two American subs, the Amberjack and the Andrew Jackson, and there was also a Russian sub under us.
Russian sub.
A nuclear sub.
I got up to the main deck, and the two men that I had just left there were vaporized.
All you saw was pieces of meat and bone and blood dripping all down the side of the bullcats.
owen shroyer
This was on the gunner's deck?
phil tourney
Yeah, it was on the fo'c'sle.
There was four.50 caliber machine guns on that ship.
Two in the front of the ship on the foc'sle and two midships.
They took out every tuning antenna on that ship and every watertight door on that ship was hit within three or four seconds.
They know exactly what they were doing and how to do it.
owen shroyer
Well, that's where I was going to go.
It sounded like they had the blueprint for the ship and they knew.
This is where we wanted to do the damage.
phil tourney
That's what they did, exactly.
owen shroyer
So someone had to give them that.
phil tourney
Yeah, well, the pictures and everything else.
owen shroyer
Do you think that was what was happening the day before?
phil tourney
No, I think this attack was planned a year in advance.
A year in advance.
Because things like that just don't happen that quickly.
They're all planned.
And they took out everything.
And anything that moved on that deck was shot or killed.
owen shroyer
How many waves of attacks were there?
phil tourney
Well, that went on for 25 minutes.
Just the air attack.
owen shroyer
Just one long wave of attacks?
phil tourney
Just cannons and rockets and machine guns.
owen shroyer
How equipped were you guys to even be involved in an assault like that?
phil tourney
We weren't.
owen shroyer
You're a spy ship.
phil tourney
We're a spy ship.
We're not a war ship.
You know, we're an auxiliary ship.
owen shroyer
And once they took out the people that were manning the guns, what else did you have?
phil tourney
We had nothing.
The only thing we could do was try to help our shipmates.
owen shroyer
Was there a distress call?
phil tourney
Terry Haldabardier took a tuning antenna offline because it wasn't tuning.
And they used heat-seeking missiles to hit the ship.
And every tuning antenna throws out a heat wave.
They hit everything except that one antenna.
Terry ran a long wire coaxial cable to the antenna and got a message out about, oh, nine or ten minutes after the attack started.
That message was picked up by the mighty Sixth Fleet, the USS Saratoga, USS America, and their sister ships.
USS Rockstar, they all picked it up.
In fact, they picked it up as far away as Vietnam.
They could hear our cries.
Rockstar! Rockstar!
Under attack by unknown jet aircraft.
Help us!
Help us!
Rockstar! Captain Tolley off the USS Saratoga sent jets to come help us.
Even before they hit the horizon, they were recalled back by McNamara, Secretary of Defense.
owen shroyer
They stood down.
phil tourney
They stood down.
They didn't want them to help us.
owen shroyer
Were there ever any answers for that?
phil tourney
No. In fact, McNamara said he never heard of the USS Liberty, and that's on tape.
He doesn't want to talk about it.
He doesn't want to talk about it.
I know nothing about the USS Liberty.
owen shroyer
Sure, nobody does.
phil tourney
Nobody does.
And then get this, Owen.
They go to the next higher command, which is the President of the United States.
The America launch and Saratoga launch again.
LBJ, that snake, got on the phone and says, return those GD aircraft back to the bases right now.
I could care less about a few dead sailors.
I will not embarrass my ally Israel.
owen shroyer
Did someone on the phone hear that?
On the ship?
Everybody heard that from the president.
phil tourney
Yeah, well, it went to the command, Admiral Geis.
I think he was on the Rockstar.
I forget what she was on.
I forget.
But he picked that up and he said, bring them back.
Now, how do you know who was attacking us if we didn't?
And so they took those aircraft back and they left us out there.
And the attack continued for a remainder of 25 minutes.
And then they left.
Thank God, you know, they're gone.
We thought the Arabs were coming to get us.
Actually, I thought it was probably World War III, and they had other things to do.
owen shroyer
Like something bigger was going on.
phil tourney
Yeah, they couldn't come help us.
And we didn't know anything about this.
But then the attack continued for another hour and a half.
owen shroyer
So you had a brief lull before it came back?
Yeah. Were there more aircraft the second go-around, or what was that?
phil tourney
No, they sent three torpedo boats out.
owen shroyer
Okay, so now the attacks were coming from the water.
phil tourney
Water. And that was the deal, to take our ears away and our eyes away from us, and then send the torpedoes in to sink us, the torpedo boats.
owen shroyer
So they stood down any air support, and they stood down before, before you even got there, they stood down any backup that you might have.
At this point in time, what is the status of your submarines?
phil tourney
Oh, I don't know what they're doing.
We did see a periscope.
owen shroyer
But you don't know whose it was?
phil tourney
No, I had no idea.
owen shroyer
Could have been the Russians?
phil tourney
No, it could have been ours.
It could have been...
I heard the USS Amerjack filmed the whole attack.
One of our own submarines filmed the whole attack.
owen shroyer
Did anybody ever see that footage?
phil tourney
Probably LBJ and whatever rock he's under still.
owen shroyer
Likely they wanted to use that for propaganda.
phil tourney
Oh, absolutely.
So the torpedo boats, they fired five torpedoes at us.
And two went aft.
I saw two go aft.
And with the other two, I don't know where they went.
And one hit the communications spaces dead on.
And blew 25 Americans, beautiful spies, young men.
I was only 20 years old.
Most of those guys, the oldest one down there was probably 26, 27, 28. And those guys were blown to bits.
I mean, they were literally in pieces.
They were gone.
owen shroyer
So let me kind of recap this.
It's about 2 o'clock.
Normal day, normal routine, sun shining, flag waving.
The attack starts.
You're first kind of shocked.
You don't know what's going on.
You go to the deck.
You see the guys you were just with moments ago, completely gone.
They're gone.
They're obliterated.
The first attack hits.
Do you know how many people died in that first wave?
phil tourney
There was nine men that died initially in the air attack.
Then the torpedo boats come in.
They hit us with the one torpedo.
And they circled the ship and circled the ship using cannons.
owen shroyer
Now you're surrounded.
phil tourney
Surrounded. And shooting anything on the deck that moved.
Anything that moved.
I mean, they wanted everybody eliminated.
owen shroyer
What was the time period before when you had that lull after the airstrikes to when the water attack started happening?
phil tourney
Probably four or five minutes.
owen shroyer
So you've got like five minutes where you're kind of like recalibrating.
Are you assessing the deck, assessing the damage?
Like, what is that five minutes like?
phil tourney
Well, it's horrific.
I mean, you've got guys on the deck that are blown up bad.
I mean, hurt bad.
owen shroyer
Some still alive, some dead?
phil tourney
Yeah. Some still alive, some dead.
But the wounded were terribly wounded.
I mean, gashes and pieces of bone and legs and arms.
I mean, you could see.
Everything. They're flesh.
And we took them in.
In fact, it was like this.
We would throw them inside the hatches just as fast as we could get them in there.
owen shroyer
Just to get them out of sight.
phil tourney
Out of sight.
But those torpedo boats had flags on them.
Israeli flags.
Then, you know, we thought they were coming to help us, but no, they come there to sink us.
owen shroyer
So for a moment...
There was like a glimpse of hope, you thought.
phil tourney
Absolutely. We felt relieved.
Here's our buddies, man.
Here they come.
Here comes the cavalry.
owen shroyer
Now, when the first, because you said they were unmarked airplanes, so was it not the same airplanes you had seen doing the recon the day before?
phil tourney
No, these airplanes, the recon airplanes, were all prop jobs.
And they used jet aircraft for the attack.
owen shroyer
But no markings?
You didn't know who it was?
phil tourney
No, I had no idea.
Had no idea who they were.
When we got the message out, Rockstar under attack by unknown jet aircraft.
We couldn't identify them.
owen shroyer
Well, I can only imagine what's going through your head.
First, the shock attack, unknown.
You don't know who's doing it.
You've got a moment of time to kind of recalibrate, try to figure out what's going on, clean up the deck, just reassess the situation.
Then you see what you think is your allies coming to help you.
And it's like, I'm sure there was a moment of hope there, a moment of relief.
When did it all change?
When did it all turn?
phil tourney
It all turned for the worse when the torpedo hit.
We knew who was doing it.
And they finally left after an hour and a half.
owen shroyer
Was it just a non-stop barrage?
phil tourney
Non-stop.
owen shroyer
Explosion after explosion?
phil tourney
Non-stop.
For a solid two hours.
owen shroyer
So what are you doing at this point?
Clinging to survival, just trying to hide?
Or where do you go?
phil tourney
Well, there's no place to hide.
I mean, there were over 821 rockets.
In fact, they say there was 821 rocket cannon holes in the ship.
I helped count all those holes when we got in Valetta Malta.
We got to 850.
He said, quit quitting.
Don't add them up anymore.
That's enough.
And they ended up with 821.
But we recounted 850.
So I don't know why they come up with 821.
I guess it sounds a little bit better than 850.
But it was just hell on earth.
And then the torpedo boats left and we thought it was over again.
But no, it wasn't.
Here come troop carrying helicopters with Israeli Marines on them to board our ship to scuttle it.
They were either going to rope down or ladder down, however they wanted to get on board the ship.
There was a helicopter.
I was on the main deck.
Come up to the starboard side.
And there was a Marine on that helicopter with these feet on the skids with an automatic weapon pointed right at me.
And I gave him the finger.
I figured I was a dead man anyway.
And he looked at me and just smiled.
And then they left.
owen shroyer
At this point, they had to know you were Americans.
I mean, there had to be no doubt.
phil tourney
Well, they fessed up.
Well, we mistakenly thought it was the Al-Quisir, which was an old horse transport.
It wasn't even, it was not even half the size of USS Levine.
It wasn't configured at all like it.
In fact, Admiral Moore said there's no way that could ever happen.
He says, no.
owen shroyer
Well, especially when you're dealing with this high level of military actions.
They're going to know, obviously, the ship they're attacking.
But I think what you were talking about earlier, they clearly knew that they were targeting the USS Liberty because they targeted the communications, the doors, the guns.
So they knew exactly who they were attacking.
Somebody gave them the layout for that boat.
They didn't confuse it.
phil tourney
No, it's impossible to confuse it.
They know exactly who we were.
In fact, they identified us on...
As American and friendly.
And they said when they changed the watch in their war room, we were on the plotting map.
They took it off when they changed the watch and they forgot to tell the other watch commander that we were in the area.
I mean, come on, man.
That's so ridiculous.
It's impossible.
How could he bring up a story like that?
It is impossible.
Simply impossible.
And then here comes another helicopter.
It's an Israeli helicopter with a Commander Castle.
He was the attaché in Tel Aviv.
And he dropped a bag, a brown bag, with orange in it.
My friend, shipmate, Rick Ameti, took it up to the bridge, and there was a card in it.
Have you casualties?
There was blood everywhere on the deck.
owen shroyer
They probably could have seen it from the helicopter.
phil tourney
Yeah, heavy casualties.
Are you kidding me?
In the gun mount, the blood was about this thick, that deep of blood.
And it was so hot that day, it correlated and almost got like, well, hard.
It was just hard.
It was over 100 degrees that day at least.
owen shroyer
What's going through your head after this couple hours?
You know, I'm sure there's all kinds of things going through your head behind just survival.
Obviously, that's the first thing.
That's your just instincts is survive.
phil tourney
Oh, yeah.
owen shroyer
But it's like, what after it all and they drop these oranges, it's almost like a weird message.
It's like, what thoughts do you have left at this point?
phil tourney
Had no thoughts.
Like you said, just staying alive.
You know, I'm trying to help your shipmates that couldn't help themselves.
And then they left.
The old man says, get away from my ship.
Go on, get out of here.
You want nothing to do with them.
So they took off, and we didn't see any help from our government for 17 hours when we got a 40-by-40-foot hole in our ship.
When that torpedo hit, it picked it completely up out of the water, slammed it back down on the water, and it was going to the right side, the starboard side.
And it just stopped.
That was the hand of God right there.
That was the only person to come to help us is Jesus Christ.
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