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March 11, 2025 - War Room - Owen Shroyer
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President Trump Is Ready To Designate The Democrats As A Hate Group And Terrorists After Coordinated Attacks On His Supporters And Elon Musk
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The silent majority is no longer silent.
This is The War Room with Owen Schroyer.
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owen shroyer
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Tuesday, March 11, 2025. This is the InfoWars War Room, the fastest.
Three hours on the internet starts now, and we are just absolutely loaded.
I mean, I've got a bunch of guests.
I've got a bunch of news.
We've got Harrison Smith coming up in studio this hour.
I've got Ivan Raiklin on the deep state.
The Thomas Massey situation, Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, all coming up in the second hour.
Then we're going to get breaking news about Joe Biden's fake signature, plus how they're trying to put the mRNA into our food.
As well, not to mention all the other political drama developing today and a big move from President Trump just moments ago.
But first, let's start off with some of this drama developing between Thomas Massey and Donald Trump.
We explained some of it yesterday.
We'll get into more of it today with what's going on.
But here's one of the last voices of true conservatism who's been around for years, obviously well-respected, Ron Paul weighing in on the Trump-Massey situation.
ron paul
But anyway, he went after, once again, he went after a friend of ours who has earned respect and is probably the most straightforward person in the Congress, except for maybe somebody in the Senate.
But Thomas Massey earned the wrath of the president because he said...
I don't think anybody's going to give me a lobotomy and erase all my memory before the vote comes up, but there's no way I could vote for this.
And it wasn't hard to figure out why not.
He happened to believe that you're supposed to follow your oath of office.
It's no more complicated than that.
What I'm annoyed about, and maybe Chris is too, is that why would they pick on this, especially...
That Trump has made overtures to the libertarian group of people in the Republican Party because that group is silently growing and being instrumental.
And that's reflected on a lot of what they are doing.
There's no doubt about it.
But the easiest thing to do to survive all that is exactly what Thomas does.
He states his position by the way he votes.
Everybody knows it.
And most of them respect him for it.
And to gang up on him and say, well, we've got to get rid of him because he's helping the Democrats.
You know, it's preposterous.
It's so sad to see that.
unidentified
There's always a problem whenever the Democrats are kicked out of power.
And that problem is the Republicans.
jesse watters
Because the Republicans are huge.
unidentified
Spenders often, very often worse than the Democrats.
jesse watters
And there's always an excuse.
unidentified
Always, always, always.
So this time they want to just push it to the end of the year.
And by the time that comes along, all you need is another excuse.
So Thomas Massey is standing on pretty, he's not going to go along with it this time.
jesse watters
This is supposed to be different.
We have Doge.
unidentified
And then last night, President Trump...
Came out with this statement that, I mean, it's just so ridiculous.
owen shroyer
I'll quote some of it.
I'll get more into this coming up.
And let me just kind of lay a couple things out here before we really get started today.
This is all healthy debate.
And this is all inevitable because if we can defeat the Democrat Party, then this is the type of debates that what is remaining in politics, the grownups, the serious conversations that need to be had, this is where it's going to go.
True conservatism versus populism, maybe, if you can even put these two things into boxes.
And there'll be all kinds of different one-offs and different issues and singular break-offs.
But that's what you're seeing, is true fiscal conservatism, which is almost dead.
Thomas Massey, one of the last remaining, consistently a true fiscal conservative, versus the populist nationalist MAGA movement that I don't even know what you would call it other than just populist nationalist common sense.
You know, take our government back.
But so there's all kinds of debates.
Now, the situation, though, I don't think is as much about Trump and Massey as it looks.
Now, Trump might have a personal thing with Massey because of some January 6th statements that Massey made, which mostly were just taken out of context by the media.
But then Massey did campaign with DeSantis, so they may have a little bit of that.
Most of the garbage you're seeing online is all influence campaign.
It's people that are paid by the Trump lobby and the GOP to try to get rid of Massey or maybe even some foreign groups as well.
But we'll put that aside.
I'm going to tell you everything else coming up.
Big show today.
Never a dull day.
Never a dull day in the info war.
Never a dull day when President Trump is in the White House.
We've got three hours to cover all this news and we're going to do the best we can.
To do just that.
But let me tell you what just happened.
Something President Trump is getting right today, but not fully going all the way yet.
And so I kind of see what's going on with the Musk situation, the Tesla situation, and how it all kind of ties into Doge as well, and then what happened today at the White House.
Now a lot of this is...
Let's say a publicity war where Trump understands everything Elon Musk has done, not just to support Trump and get him in the White House, but then with Doge and...
I mean, honestly, right now, I kind of have been doing this running Musk approval rating.
Musk's approval rating right now is higher than it's ever been on my chart.
I'm like 52%, 53% approval rating right now.
Maybe, I mean...
The work Musk and Doge is doing is by far the best work happening right now.
And it's not even close.
Not even close.
Now, Trump might be able to get to that level or eclipse it, depending on how some of the trade deals work out and the economy settles.
But, you know, as far as draining the swamp and going after the deep state and all these other issues, he's trying to get the war stopped.
I think that's his main priority.
That would be big.
That's still hazy.
So the projects Trump is working on, we haven't seen the conclusion.
Stopping the wars and getting good trade deals.
So that's still kind of out there.
Could be bigger than Doge.
I mean, world peace, that's pretty big.
And then as far as the dollars coming in versus going out and the taxes and everything, you could measure those.
Those are measurables.
Those are just numbers.
What Musk and Doge is doing, by far, nothing is even coming close.
In my book, best work happening in D.C., probably I've ever seen in my life.
It's, I mean, you know, Musk can't be president, but I mean, at this point, I'm like, yeah, the left keeps making fun, like, oh, President Musk.
I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, I'll take President Musk actually right now.
I'll actually take that.
And then apparently he's in these meetings, giving a tongue lashing to the other bureaucrats and politicians that won't cut their waste, fraud, and abuse.
By the way.
And I think Trump is seeing that and he's like, yeah, I like this guy.
I think he likes that.
You know, they just brought The Apprentice back.
It's streaming on Amazon now.
It'll be the top-rated show.
Guarantee it.
If you watch Amazon Prime Video, they have a little section there like top-trending TV shows and stuff.
Oh, it'll be number one.
Guarantee it for a month, maybe a year.
It's going to be huge.
So brilliant job by Bezos to bring that to Amazon Prime streaming.
But the point is, you go watch that show, that's like how Trump does business.
And now that's how Musk does business.
Now, I got a bunch of Doge news, but let me get to the publicity wars.
And this is going on with the stock market as well as Tesla.
And then it ties into what Trump did today, which is like a step in the right direction, but it's time to go all the way.
So the left has obviously been attacking Musk and Tesla.
And if you zone in and just focus on Tesla, then you can kind of get the bigger story.
Joe Biden signs a contract for armored cyber trucks, $400 million.
That was Joe Biden's administration that signed that deal.
And then they say, oh my gosh, this is conflict of interest.
It's Trump.
Well, it was Biden.
So that was kind of like the first part of the publicity wars.
Then they got some of their guys.
That are in the stock market, the whales in the stock market, to sell off all their Tesla stocks to try to tank it.
Then once the numbers for Tesla started going down, that's when they began the real publicity push saying Tesla's crashing, Tesla's crashing.
You couldn't go anywhere without seeing about how Tesla's crashing.
And then what happens?
Well, then all the other people just start selling because they see the numbers going down.
So then there becomes this mass sell-off.
And of course you have...
The violence against Musk and the Tesla dealerships.
But we'll get to that coming up with Trump's announcement.
So Trump sees what Musk is going through.
And there have been some others like Rob Schneider and other great Americans that are like, hey, I'm sticking with Musk.
I'm going to buy more Tesla.
Might end up being a good bet in the long run.
I don't know.
But they're saying, hey, we appreciate Musk.
We're going to show our support.
So Trump sees all this.
And he says, all right, well, I'm not just going to leave Musk out here to dry.
Let me use some of my force here to give Musk some good publicity back where the left is destroying him because he's supporting me.
So he brings Musk to the White House.
There's all kinds of videos from this today.
I do have one video.
Maybe we can play it from the White House with the Teslas that Trump pulled up.
I guess he was picking one out.
In fact, let's just go to this real quick.
So this is part of the publicity war.
Give me clip seven.
elon musk
All these cars have won an incredible award.
So they're great cars and they're American-made.
And I think, you know, try it.
unidentified
You'll like it.
donald j trump
Beyond the cars, they're great.
But we have to celebrate somebody that has the courage to do this.
He could have said, I'm not doing anything.
I'm not going to get involved.
Let the country go to hell.
He didn't want to do that.
And remember, he's going to find, and we're up to almost $500 billion worth of waste and fraud.
And it means $500 billion.
We're giving $2 billion here, $2 billion, and not millions.
If it was a million dollars or $2 million, that's a lot of money.
But we're talking about billions of dollars being given to defunct scams, given to people with nothing.
They have nothing going.
They open up a subchapter-esque corporation, and they put $2 billion into it from nowhere.
owen shroyer
Now, so this is Trump trying to give Elon Musk some good publicity.
And then some of the attacks are, oh my gosh, look, Trump is giving Musk free publicity.
He's showcasing Teslas.
Well, now hold on a second.
Trump has done this for multiple American companies, actually.
Remember there's the famous photo where he's swinging the Louisville Slugger?
So Trump has showcased American-made products at the White House.
Trump has showcased American-made products, products made in America, as the president, dozens of times.
This isn't some exclusive thing that he has done for Musk.
Other businesses, corporations that build, manufacture in America, Trump has brought them into the White House and showcased their products.
So this is not something exclusive that he has given Musk.
So that's total fake news.
But yeah, Teslas are made in America.
Yeah, Elon Musk and Doge have exposed $500 billion of fraud, waste, and abuse.
And we're just beginning.
And I got a whole stack of news with some developments there.
So this is...
The publicity war where they're trying to tank Tesla and they're trying to tank all of Musk's stocks as a punishment for him supporting Trump.
Now, what did Trump do today?
He comes out and he announces that he will be treating those attacking Musk's Tesla dealerships As domestic terrorists.
But let's kind of put all of this into perspective.
Because what does it really mean?
What does it really represent?
And if Trump is serious about this, then this is just the beginning.
There is clearly a coordinated campaign to attack Elon Musk and Tesla.
Car dealerships.
Over 120 car dealerships and or Tesla power charging stations have been vandalized.
There have been protests breaking out all across the nation.
This is clearly coordinated.
This is clearly well-funded.
And the Democrats do this all the time.
They've done it for, I mean, you name the cause.
How many different causes have we seen come and go that the Democrats get massive organization and massive funding to drum up these protests?
How many times have we seen it?
Tons of times.
Most of it is just aimed against Trump, but they have different masks and colors and everything that they wear.
And so now it's Musk.
So you can prove this is coordinated, funded, and organized.
And yes, at this point, there have been enough death threats.
And enough vandalism that you can clearly mark this as a criminal operation.
But see, it's not just about Tesla or Musk.
This is what the Democrats have been doing for years, really decades.
You can go back to Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground, which is the group Obama launched his political career through, and then some other Catholic groups that...
Had a bunch of pedophiles running around, but that's neither here nor there.
The point is that there's a long history of the Democrat Party engaging in this.
And it's only been hyped up and grown in the years since Trump ran for president.
So it's not just the attacks on Tesla or Musk.
It's all of it.
It's all of it.
It's Black Lives Matter.
It's Antifa.
It's the Women's March.
It's all of them.
All of these protest groups have the same source funding and the same source organization.
All of the crimes that they've committed over the last, say, 10 years since Trump announced he was running for president, it's all coordinated.
It's all well-funded.
It's all coordinated.
Might even lead right back to USAID. And this is a Weather Underground bomb-making video, guys, that we have on the screen here.
I'm guessing.
And they used to rob banks and everything.
That's the Democrat Party.
I've been saying it for years.
How many people have been listening to this show for years?
How long have I been saying the Democrat Party is the biggest terror group and hate group in the history of this country?
Well, now President Trump has finally taken a step in the right direction, but this is not something he should just say.
He needs to, the DOJ, the FBI, need to do a full-scale focus.
On Democrat Party terrorism.
They've tried to kill Trump.
They've tried to kill Trump supporters.
They dox you.
They harass you.
They attack you.
If you are representative of a corporation like Elon Musk, they'll attack your business.
It is a terrorist organization.
And now, thanks to Doge, and I do believe there's a motivation in Congress from the Republicans now.
The uniparty has kind of been fractured.
You have actual Republicans that are really representing their people now.
And at this point, if you go with the uniparty as a Republican, you'll never get elected again.
Just look at a Liz Cheney, for example.
Just look at an Adam Kinzinger, for example.
Hopefully Dan Crenshaw soon.
So now as a Republican, you can't go with the uniparty.
You have to actually vote as a Republican like your constituents want or your career is shot.
So now you can actually use that to say, we're going to investigate the Democrats.
We're going to trace all the USAID funding.
We're going to trace ActBlue.
We're going to trace George Soros.
We're going to find all of this.
We're going to see how it was funding all these different movements that resulted in violence, like attacking Tesla dealerships, like the Black Lives Matter riots.
And then you can say, boom, here it is, here's your proof, organized crime, terror group, hate group.
Now, where you go from there, you know, Department of Justice, FBI, they can figure it out.
Now, of course, the Department of Justice and the FBI is really concerned with anti-Israel protests right now.
So not sure we're going to have the manpower to actually do something about the largest terror group in the history of this country, the Democrat Party.
But the point is...
Trump has finally moved that piece on the board.
And now there is an understanding and an awareness, at least in the rhetoric from the White House, that could actually go where it needs to go.
But if you're Musk, this is obviously personal.
This is obviously personal if you're Musk.
And so there's an inherent motive For Musk to really trace all this funding and then to show it to the president and say, yep, you want to label him a terror group?
You want to label him a hate group?
Here you go, right here.
Here's all the money.
Here's the flow of it.
Here's where it goes.
Here's the organizational flow chart.
There you go.
And then you go from there.
So here's Trump announcing that.
In the same presentation at the White House.
unidentified
Mr. President, you talked about some of the violence that's been going on around the country at dealerships.
Some say they should be labeled domestic terrorists.
donald j trump
I will do that.
I'll do it.
I'm going to stop.
We catch anybody doing it because they're harming a great American company.
You know, I've stuck up for the NFL. I've stuck up for a lot of American companies and other companies, but American companies.
I did a very big favor for the NFL. I do favors for all.
When you heard an American company, especially a company like this, supply so many jobs that others are unable to do.
When you do that, those people are going to go through a big problem when we catch them.
And we have a lot of, you get a lot of cameras up.
We already know who some of them are.
We're going to catch them.
And they're bad guys.
They're the same guys that screw around with our schools and universities.
The same garbage.
And no, we're going to catch them.
And let me tell you, you do it to Tesla and you do it to any company.
We're going to catch you and you're going to go through hell.
owen shroyer
Now, that's what we want.
And I can already see people, oh, you know, Trump's using the government to protect Elon Musk's companies.
Well, that's what it might appear to be, but no, obviously the issue is much deeper than that.
But this is a coordinated attack on Elon Musk's companies.
This is a criminal organization attacking Elon Musk's companies.
Let me kind of put all this together with something Tim Burchett said outside of the Capitol today.
Do the Democrats want the government shutdown as you have this big continued resolution bill coming up?
Now, the Democrats always bitch and moan whenever there's a looming government shutdown and they always point the finger and blame Republicans because apparently they never want the government shutdown.
But now maybe they do?
Here's Tim Burchett explaining what he thinks is going on in clip 11. Congressman, why do you think Democrats are trying to shut down the government?
unidentified
Because I think they're trying to inflict as much pain in a political-type situation, and that's very pitiful.
And also, they want to shut down Doge because it's getting very close to home, and they know it.
They're getting calls from their big contributors saying, hey, man, we're getting this federal money, and y'all getting ready to cut it off.
We're not going to be able to feed the trough, the campaign trough.
Mm-hmm.
owen shroyer
Mm-hmm.
Anything to stop Doge.
Anything to stop the funding of their propaganda, the kickbacks, the money to their campaigns, all the waste, fraud, and abuse.
Anything to stop that from being exposed.
And you've got judges trying to stop it now that are all tied into the deep state and the Democrat Party.
I mean, just crazy stuff that they're all tied into.
So, it's a step in the right direction, but it needs to go further.
The entire Democrat Party operation is a hate group and a terror group.
Period.
They have been operating as such without anybody calling them out, without anybody stopping them for years.
And so, hey, if it has to be when they start attacking Musk and Tesla car dealerships to be the final straw that finally moves this thing forward, good!
Good!
You know, they didn't do it for...
A whole summer of rioting that resulted in dozens dead and thousands of hospitalizations.
They didn't do it for any of the Antifa riots that resulted in people getting shot.
They didn't do it when all the police officers were being attacked and firebombing their buildings and police cars.
So fine, if it has to be Tesla and Musk, fine.
Whatever it takes at this point.
The Democrat Party is out of control.
And then you look at what they do to the cities that they manage.
Now, I got more coming up on this.
Yesterday, it was very unfortunate.
Here at Infowars, we had to announce the tragedy of one of our riders, one of our great crew members, and just a great person, a great American, Jamie White.
Now the police report says he was shot.
Looks like he was trying to stop a robbery.
And there's some other background that we're still trying to figure it all out.
But it looks like this was a repeat offense type of situation.
And Jamie wanted to stop the bad guy.
And so for what?
I don't know.
A book bag or a laptop or a phone or something he saw in the car.
He decided to kill a person.
Killer is still on the loose.
And I actually went out to the scene of the crime earlier today and was talking to some of the locals and some of the business owners.
And the police have, you know, done their due diligence as best they can to get the security footage.
But then it just falls into the system.
And whoever is in charge of this investigation, this team, they probably have 50 other cases on their desk.
Just innocent Americans just being slaughtered left and right.
And then I dug more into this.
And I already knew Austin was getting bad.
I didn't realize how bad.
That intersection alone has had nine homicides in the last two years.
Just at that intersection.
Just at that intersection, nine homicides.
And then I'm talking to a local business owner.
I'm saying, hey, you know, have the police come through here?
What do you know about this?
This investigation, did you know there was a murder here the other night?
And they said, yeah, well, we knew something about it, not too much.
And then I found out, as the cops are securing the scene, a drive-by shooting happened right up the street.
unidentified
A drive-by shooting, multiple rounds.
So the cops are here investigating this murder.
owen shroyer
In this apartment complex, and then right up the road at the intersection, there was a drive-by shooting!
unidentified
Multiple rounds going back and forth, firing bullets!
owen shroyer
I mean, luckily nobody got hit that at least wanted to report it to the cops!
I'm sickened!
And, you know, and then today, there was a report, another team member of ours, Chase Geyser, and he...
Talked about this on the Jones show earlier.
Harrison Smith is going to join me on studio coming up to talk about this and some other things.
Assisting Jamie White's family in deep loss.
We want to make sure we can have a proper funeral and everything for Jamie White.
And so the Give, Send, Go link is right there on the screen.
I've shared it on my X account as well.
But, folks, I'll just tell you that the attacks against Infowars, and I've been saying this for years too, But I always said it's not my story to tell.
There's reasons why we don't talk about a lot of this stuff, and there's a lot of stuff Alex goes through that nobody knows about.
Just because, I mean, we're covering news here.
And you don't even want to give attention to that stuff, and you don't even want to give it the time.
But, folks, you're kind of starting to get a better idea of what it's really like to work here.
And the attacks that we're constantly under.
And I'll just tell you this.
Again, there's a reason I never talked about it.
I might as well now.
It's far enough in the past, I suppose.
But I used to live right there.
Not the exact apartment complex, but when I first moved to Austin, I used to live in an apartment complex just down the road.
And I had radical leftists follow me home and dox me and start death-threatening me, and I had to move.
unidentified
So, I just, it's just...
owen shroyer
It's so crazy to think, and I'm sitting there and these people are just like, oh yeah, it's just, and you know, when you say, well, it was a friend of mine, they get a little more open to talking to you, but when you sit down to talk to them, they're like, oh yeah, just another shooting, oh yeah, just another killing, like, oh yeah, whatever, we're used to it.
unidentified
I'm like, damn!
Damn, it's that bad here?
owen shroyer
Nine homicides in two years and one intersection.
God bless Jamie White.
Godspeed, brother.
Joining me now in studio is Harrison Smith, host of the American Journal in the mornings here at InfoWars, and I just figured with all the craziness happening at InfoWars to just bring him in here and kind of go back and forth with him, not just on some of the news, but, you know, I think, you know, I would kind of start with this, and we were talking about some other things that we've gone through since working here, and that's...
We don't even talk about, like the stuff you hear Alex talk about, and he probably talks about it the most.
I really don't talk about it much, but it's a much bigger story with Alex, obviously.
But even the stuff he talks about with the attack against Tim or his family or Infowars in general, even that, aside from the big lawsuits and everything, even that is like maybe 10%.
It's like the tip of the iceberg about what actually goes on around here.
And I mean, you think about, we have a whole team of writers, a whole crew, people crazy show up here all the time.
I mean, when you heard this news, and then obviously earlier today Chase announcing that he's getting swatted and people can't help but connect the dots, I mean, it's just like, this is kind of, it's like, what goes through your head?
Because you're on air when a lot of this stuff is happening, just like me.
It's like, what goes through your head when you kind of sit back at the end of the night and just try to reflect on it all?
harrison smith
Just that things are...
Getting more serious than I think people recognize.
And I think, you know, what we're seeing now from the Tesla, you know, dealership attacks to, you know, obviously the swatting of Chase today, we're seeing like the beginnings of, I think, a really dangerous movement because the radical leftists have given up on the Democratic Party.
I mean, they're not fans of the Democrats.
It's like we're not fans of the blue-blood Republicans.
With Kamala Harris' loss, I think they've largely just, like, abandoned traditional politics and are moving into, like, pure extremism.
owen shroyer
So kind of like 2016, 2017, all over again.
harrison smith
But, like, even more.
But I think it's even more.
Because I think they still had the, like, you know, corporate Democrats are on our side kind of thing.
I think they've kind of abandoned that.
And so I think most people aren't even recognizing this because, you know, the mainstream Democrats aren't really reflecting this.
They're not really involved in it.
But it's this underground movement.
And if you go on Blue Sky or you, you know, Go on threads even.
I mean, you see the most insane stuff.
We were covering our story today of streamer Asmongold was talking about Reddit and was going, hey guys, they're going to implement digital ID if you guys keep making death threats against the president on Reddit.
Like, this is a fast track to governmental ID because the language is just getting absolutely insane.
So, I mean, while the Tesla, you know, the burning down the Tesla dealerships and that stuff, it's bad.
It's like, that's just the...
That's the very early warning signs for what is to come.
I don't think anybody is taking this as seriously as they should.
owen shroyer
Well, that's when I saw a couple hours ago when Trump said he's going to look into the Democrats or the people attacking Tesla as a terrorist group.
That's what it is, but it is the Democrats.
Like, this isn't some pocket over here that's just attacking Tesla dealerships.
This is the mainline Democrat Party funding organizational flowchart that has been really active since the 80s, but specifically since Trump.
We've really seen it activated into the streets.
And I think what's causing the phenomenon that you're referring to is I think that if you look at, let's say, you go back to 2016 or 17 when you had, say, 1,000 protesters protesting Trump.
And it's the Women's March or it's this, it's that, it's whatever it is.
It's all anti-Trump.
Well, I think what you have is maybe 10% remaining from that 1,000, let's say.
And I'm just using these numbers.
The 10% remaining are the most radical, right?
So you have the 90% that have kind of maybe moved on or just aren't interested anymore, whatever.
But the 10% remaining are like the most radical people that are still there engaging in this.
And that's why they're committing acts of terror and violence against Elon Musk.
harrison smith
Yeah, and of course, I mean, you look at the way they've made a saint out of Luigi Mangione, a man who just murdered a father of two who he'd never met and had never done anything wrong to him.
Uplifting this guy and, you know, acting like this guy's a hero.
I think that really tells you where their mindset is.
And just on the note of what you were saying about how, you know, the Infowars audience, even people say, okay, we get it, you know, shut up, you're under attack.
But it's like, you're not getting 10% of this.
And it's difficult to be in this position because, like, you know, take, for example, if you get doxed on X, your impulse is to, like, go, hey, everybody, report this.
But now you're sharing your own address to all of your fault.
Like, they're...
It's sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If you talk about it, you sort of give them what they want.
If you don't talk about it, nobody knows it's happening.
So we typically choose to sort of suffer in silence and not bring up everything that we're going through.
But we're in a very difficult position.
owen shroyer
You know, I'm, I guess you might call Reddit illiterate, or I'm not really on there, but I like literally don't, I don't know what it is about the way I read or consume information.
Like I can't, Reddit is like, I don't know, I'm like Reddit illiterate.
But it's funny that you bring that up about the death threats because I met a man in prison who engaged in a death threat against, I think it was a Democrat judge or a local representative.
He had a death threat of him online.
This was under some anonymous account.
Well, he got caught, charged, and two years in jail in a federal prison.
So I'm wondering if, I mean, they certainly can trace and track it.
Absolutely.
And I mean, some guys are a little more technologically advanced and know how to kind of get away with multiple proxies or IP address coverings and multiple layers of it.
But, I mean, they could be finding these people if they wanted to.
harrison smith
The craziest thing about how it's happening now is you'll see TikTok videos, people showing their face at work going, I'm going to go kill Donald Trump.
It's like, so they're not even worried about it anymore.
So, again, I think the takeaway here is like...
We have to take this seriously.
And even if it is sort of the most radical, extreme left that is still very active and agitating and committing acts of vandalism, that sort of stuff right now, if we don't do what we need to in the next year and a half before the midterms, and the Democrats get back into power, and even if it's just some minor majority where they get to start stifling the rest of Trump's stuff, I mean, if they're able to steal the election, if they're able to get back in power...
Look at what they did from 2020 to 2024. Multiply that by a thousand because the radicals in the Democrat Party right now are just radicalizing even harder.
And if they ever get their hands on power again, it's going to be Bolshevism 2.0.
I mean, it's going to be unimaginably brutal and it's going to make everything else that we've already been through look like a cakewalk.
So it's like, I don't think Trump is taking it seriously enough.
I don't think the other Republicans are taking it seriously enough.
I think the distraction about...
You know, deporting people who protest Israel.
It's like, what are we doing?
We have literally millions of, like, hardcore domestic terrorists operating in the open in America.
There's not even an announcement of an investigation.
owen shroyer
Well, let's put a bookmark in that.
Let's put a bookmark in that, because I do want to come back to that.
But, you know, I look at this and I think, well, where's the bumpers on the left, right?
Where are the bumpers?
If you look at the right, there are bumpers, whether you agree with them or not.
On some of these debates, there are bumpers.
There is active, engaging conversations and debates about some of these issues, whether it's the Israel thing or the Thomas Massey thing, right?
Like, there's bumpers there.
People are checking up on the right wing all the time within the right wing.
It's like, it's a big movement.
It's a populist movement, and there's a lot of disagreements, and there's bumpers.
Like, hey, we're going too far here.
Hey, we're going too far here.
So there is an active, like, we're trying.
Something is keeping the right in a lane, right?
The left doesn't really have that.
And I think it's because if you're...
It's all a numbers game at the end of the day.
And now politics is basically media.
I mean, why do you think Jasmine Crockett does all these things in AOC? Politics is basically now media.
Other than the power to legislate and vote, I mean, a Democrat is basically just a liberal on TV now.
So they look at this and they think, if I try to put the radical left in check, then what does that do to my bottom line?
All right?
Look at somebody like Bill Maher.
And others have kind of come to this realization, too, like the Cuomos, maybe.
But it's like they don't want to really be that backstop because it's more of, I don't want to alienate what I view as my base, or I don't want to alienate what I view as my audience, which is now radical leftist.
So I might come on here and engage in a discussion with somebody of a different political mindset, but there's no, like, hardcore backstop, like, hey, this is out of control.
I mean, maybe every once in a while, from a Jon Stewart or a Bill Maher or a...
Or a Chris Cuomo.
But they're so afraid, I think, of alienating their radical left base that they can't...
It's like they don't want to go all in on it because then they're afraid of what happens to their bottom line.
harrison smith
Yeah, no, I think you're exactly right.
And I think it has a lot to do with just the way the false dichotomy has been presented where you either...
Let the trans guy undress in the locker room with your child, or you are a Nazi and you deserve to die.
There's this extremism pulling people on both sides.
Obviously, that's not super insightful, but it definitely happens on the left a hell of a lot more to the point where they don't even know how to disagree with their fellow leftists without being called a Nazi or a white supremacist or any of these other things that they're still very afraid of being called and would represent the destruction of their entire career.
owen shroyer
Let's get into now the protester being arrested.
And I've done a couple interviews about this over the days, and I have found that in, let's say, the Trump base or the populist MAGA movement, that I am in the minority, that I think it's wrong.
I don't think this protester deserved to be arrested, and I don't like what's going on.
I accept I'm in the minority, and that's fine.
And here's, I think, my bigger problem now.
And you posted this.
I don't know.
Did you make that video?
Guys, put the video up.
harrison smith
No, I did not make that.
In fact, the person who made it.
owen shroyer
Flip 14 B-roll.
harrison smith
All the headlines of the series.
owen shroyer
Five and a half minutes of headlines.
harrison smith
Yep, and they go by fast, and it's five and a half, and these are all, like, official university publications.
It looks like they were, at least on X, at TooWhiteToTweet or at KeepNHGranite.
owen shroyer
So that's the original poster?
harrison smith
Yeah, that's who I got it from.
But, I mean, this story's been around forever.
I don't even think this is...
owen shroyer
Yeah, look at these.
harrison smith
They're going back to 2019. Yeah, I don't know if there's anything past, like, 2022, so I'm sure you could, you know, expand this out a lot.
When is it okay to kill whites at Texas A&M University?
owen shroyer
I went down to Texas State.
They ran a story about...
Killing whites or whatever.
I went down to Texas State and protested that.
harrison smith
That's in here too.
That was you and I. Taking the bullhorn.
You were with me for that.
owen shroyer
Then they kicked us off campus.
harrison smith
Very early on.
When I first joined.
I remember going down there and going, people don't even know that this is being published.
That one was, your DNA is an abomination.
White people are conditioned to commit mass murder.
To me, the frustration is like, okay, if We are just a laissez-faire government.
They just go hands-off with the university, and hey, this stuff might be offensive to you, but it's free speech, and we're hands-off.
I can accept that.
I don't agree with it.
I don't like that this stuff is being pushed, but okay, if that's the standard, that's the standard.
But then they show how rapidly, how aggressively, how frankly, insanely they'll go after these colleges, not for publishing stuff like they do about whiteness, about Jews, but just allowing students to protest what they consider to be an ongoing genocide.
And they are arresting people.
They've got 60 universities under investigation.
They're withdrawing funds.
And it's like, OK, so you always could have done this.
You just choose not to.
So it's just insult to injury.
owen shroyer
It's it's salt in the wound of the anti-white agenda in the universities, which I never petitioned to the government to do anything with Texas state.
I went there and I executed my First Amendment.
That's what it's about.
I believe the answer is to all this is it's the First Amendment.
It's debate.
It's awareness.
It's, you know, but there's different levels of this.
The one level, which is just let's find a consistent standard, which is what is pointed out by this video that we're rolling behind us.
It's five and a half minutes of these headlines.
So on college campuses, anti-white rhetoric, anti-white teachings.
I mean, they even have classes.
They have actual curriculum that's anti-white.
Now, that's all good.
That's all fine.
Nobody's stopping them.
Nobody's defunding them.
There's no investigation by the Department of Education, right?
None of this is happening.
So then now you look at it and you say, oh, but if it's anti-Semitic, quote-unquote anti-Semitic, now there's an investigation.
Now it gets the full scale and scope of the Department of Education, which, by the way, they're gutting.
They just announced today all the Department of Education buildings are about to be vacated.
So I guess the only thing the Department of Education is used for now is stopping anti-Semitic speech on college campuses.
But see, this is layers.
So one, if you're looking for consistency, hey, you can be anti-white as much as you want, but you can't be anti-Semitic.
Well, there's no consistency there.
So then that goes to the next level.
And this is where I think really the rub is.
You have an entire group.
The left wing has always kind of been anti-Israel, maybe even blatantly anti-Jewish.
That's kind of a different thing.
You can't really have a debate with them about it.
It's just more parroting talking points.
But there is a very, very big...
Well, what do you think this does to them?
What do you think this does to that battle?
And if you're sitting here trying to defend the opposite and saying, hey, no, Israel has no play here.
Israel doesn't get any special treatment.
Well, how do you explain that?
How do you explain the Department of Justice and the Department of Education rushing into these universities?
A full-scale investigation about anti-Semitic speech, but they've done nothing about anti-white speech for 10 years.
harrison smith
They wouldn't even mention it.
You'd get laughed at if you even mention it.
Part of me is like, okay, is this on purpose?
Are they literally going this hard, this obvious?
To make people anti-Semitic because they know that's useful and, you know, destroying people's rights.
I don't know if you saw, do you see the story from Australia?
This whole series of anti-Semitic attacks were all hoaxes and they've admitted it.
owen shroyer
Well, that's been going on here too.
They were attacks at Jewish...
Graveyards turned out to be a Jew that did it.
So, I mean, that's been going on here for years.
But that's always, you know, false flag attacks have always been the case.
harrison smith
It is.
The one in Australia is huge, though, because they use the exact attacks, the false flag attacks, to already pass laws.
So Australia just implemented all of these anti-Semitism laws where if you do the Nazi salute, you go to jail for two years and, like, all this sort of stuff.
They pass those laws on the basis of there's this rash of anti-Semitic attacks.
Turns out it was all totally fabricated, all completely a gigantic hoax.
It's on mainstream media in Australia.
So part of me wonders, like, okay, are they literally trying to piss off the anti-Semites by just going, by really going masks off, mask off and going, yeah, we're doing all this for Israel.
I mean, even the Thomas Massey thing.
I don't believe Thomas Massey is, you know, being targeted by Trump because of the continuing resolution.
There were other Republicans that also didn't vote for it.
They didn't get any heat.
I think it's obvious it has everything to do with the...
The fact that Massey's the only Republican in Congress without an ADL babysitter.
So it's becoming obvious, you know, what's...
And it's just so overt and it's so blatant, the favoritism and the disrespect for white people and the just, you know, literally kicking people out of the country if they insult the state of Israel.
Part of me is like, are they doing this just to piss people off, to divide the right?
Because that's another thing that's happening.
That's another thing that happened with Massey.
It's like, if you wanted to divide Trump's base...
Having Trump go after Massey is like the number one thing I would suggest.
You divide the base right down the middle, you piss everybody off at Trump, other people go after...
It's like, what part of this, how much of this, because I think some part of it is, how much of this is just to destroy Trump's base by dividing people along the lines of supporting Israel or not?
owen shroyer
Well, and the truth is, I think, if things are able to progress somewhat organically, and nothing in politics doesn't have...
You know, propaganda and everything, trying to twist it and turn it and get it off course.
But really, the Democrat Party should probably be done in two or three more election cycles.
I mean, it should just be finished.
As a political party, it should be done.
And I think if we didn't have stolen elections, I think it would be.
I think you're two, three cycles away from the Democrat Party becoming completely irrelevant.
And so then these types of debates, these are the real debates right here.
Foreign policy, foreign influence.
These are the real debates that we should be having.
This is what we'll actually not...
Divide the right, but it will take what is left of common sense politics, serious people having serious debates, and then probably have two new parties, maybe one more conservative, one more libertarian-leaning, whatever, and then there'll be some cross-sections.
But the Democrat Party and the radical left would just be gone.
It would just be off the political map, and then we would have these real conversations, and we would have these real debates, but it's like, yeah, we're kind of getting ahead of the skis right now going through that.
That process, this osmosis right now, and it's like, is it being done intentionally?
Is this just happening in an organic fashion?
We just haven't gotten rid of the Democrat Party yet because of all the propaganda.
But that's a real debate to be had right there.
harrison smith
Yeah, well, and going back to this guy, I think his name's Khalil, who is being deported because he was leading anti-Israel protests.
There's so much stuff like this where it's like...
Yeah, I believe in principle that if you're a foreigner in this country, you don't get to protest.
Who would do that?
owen shroyer
Well, you know, it's kind of like somebody, you know what it is to me?
It's kind of like somebody that rides their bike on the street.
Right.
Like, if you're going to ride your bike on the street, a car can crush you.
So you might, the law might be on your side.
You're like, hey, the law says I can ride here.
Okay, well, let's see what the laws of physics say.
So it's kind of the same thing.
It's like, you know what, if you're a foreigner and you come here to protest, like, okay, I mean, I... I believe in your right to free speech, but you might get run over.
Probably a bad idea.
harrison smith
But if you're not an American citizen, you're not protected under the Constitution the same way that a citizen is.
I can't imagine going to Mexico, for example.
I've expelled a whole number of students who just walked in a May Day parade a couple years ago, right?
Because it's a pretty hard line.
You don't come to my country and then agitate for my government to change in the same way that I'm not going to have somebody come into my house and start agitating with my wife and children saying how I do things wrong.
It's like, get the hell out of my house.
No, you're not allowed to do that.
So I get it on principle, but it has to be...
Overall, it has to be everybody.
Anybody, Israeli, Palestinian, if you come to this country as a foreigner and protest, you're out.
Then I'm fine with that.
If it's you come to this country and protest for Palestine, you're out.
But you protest for Israel, you're in.
I mean, that's unfair and it's obvious and blatant and it's abusive.
owen shroyer
He was here legally.
He had a green card and a visa.
harrison smith
I think his wife's a citizen.
owen shroyer
And his wife is an American citizen and also pregnant.
And I mean, I just, the one thing I haven't seen answered is what law did he break?
harrison smith
Right.
And I don't think, well, a judge just stopped the deportation basically on those grounds of he still has a green card.
You can't just strip him from that because you don't like his political opinion.
owen shroyer
Yeah, and I, again, I've kind of found myself in the minority doing some interviews this and last week about it, but I agree with the judge.
I mean, he's not here illegally.
I have not.
I've seen any law that he's broken unless we're declaring that protesting against Israel or having anti-Israel sentiment is illegal.
I mean, I guess that's the law now.
How do you not have a problem with that?
harrison smith
I know.
That's where it seems like it's going.
And this is I think people have a basic misunderstanding of what like the right to your own religion means, like the separation of church and state means our government is not supposed to prioritize a certain religion, which is exactly what it's doing right now.
And the freedom of religion inherent in the freedom of religion, the exact same freedom that gives Jews the right to practice Judaism gives anybody the right to criticize Judaism.
You cannot have one without the other.
Otherwise, it's political domination and oppression.
You cannot have I'd feel the same way if it was the Catholics or the Muslims or anybody else.
You cannot have one religion.
Be sacred in this country.
What's sacred in this country is the First Amendment, which includes your ability to criticize any organization, any religion, the people, the practices, the way they do it, the way they look.
It doesn't matter if you have the First Amendment, you're allowed to do that.
And that's what's going away right now.
owen shroyer
Well, this is why, obviously, this topic has been volatile forever, basically.
Definitely for our entire lives.
So you have to find a way to present it that kind of tries to avoid that volatility.
And that's why, for me, I consciously make sure, and it's not just something I'm practicing that I don't mean, I mean, I consciously make sure.
I have a problem with Israel and its government.
I have no problem with Jewish people.
In fact, I've found through my experience, I've had Jewish friends my whole life, the average American Jew is just like me.
They like to have fun, they like to eat a cheeseburger, they like to go to a ball game, they like to drink a cold adult beverage, and they just want to be free and live their lives.
Most of them are not even political.
So that's why I don't, I mean, it's not a...
But see, that's the problem.
They spin it and they say, oh, it's anti-Semitism.
No, it's not.
I have a foreign policy issue that clearly Israel has more foreign influence than any other country.
And this is what it comes down to.
And I think it's been totally proven.
And this is where it really hurts.
Israel has more influence on Washington, D.C. than an American citizen has.
And that has been totally proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
And this is where right-wingers...
In my view, are either just false prophets or bought and paid for.
The same people, when you engage in a debate with a left, and they say, oh, there's nothing you can do except call me a name.
When I beat you in a debate, you call me a racist.
When I beat you in a debate, you call me a xenophobe.
When I beat you in a debate, you call me this, that, or the other thing.
Well, apply that same logic to yourself.
You have been beaten in the foreign policy Israel debate, so you just call people anti-Semites.
That makes you the phony.
That makes you the hypocrite.
harrison smith
Yeah, 100%.
And, like, that was the crazy thing about Thomas Massey when he was talking to Tucker Carlson and talking about how everybody has an ADL handler, basically.
owen shroyer
APAC handler.
harrison smith
APAC handler, yeah.
That's right, yeah, APAC handler.
And it's like...
Okay, I guess America needs – like, we're supposed to be the ones telling our representatives what to do.
We're supposed to be the ones that they're representing.
Instead, there's this foreign lobbying group that instead has phone numbers to them.
They get everything they want.
And, of course, it's not just money.
It's access and glad-handing and that sort of stuff that goes on there as well.
But the fact is, like, we are not represented right now because we don't have an AIPAC. Well, we shouldn't need one.
They're supposed to derive their power from us and from our votes, and they're supposed to serve us or else they don't get voted for.
But when you have a system that's on both parties controlled by AIPAC, then they're the ones that get everything they want immediately, and we, you know, have to suffer and die and don't even get courtesy of a second glance.
It's very annoying to me.
owen shroyer
Yeah, and for 30 years, Netanyahu has been coming to the United States Congress urging for regime change.
And for 30 years, he's gotten that exact regime change with the blood and treasure of the United States of America.
So I'm done.
I don't want to support that.
I'm not going to support that.
unidentified
Absolutely.
owen shroyer
And that's not anti-Semitic by any stretch of the imagination.
And you know what's amazing is, clearly, it's so obvious at this point, clearly the...
Israel lobby money is just overwhelming right-wing media.
And now there's this panic and it's, oh, everything's Qatar.
Everything's Qatar.
Well, there's definitely Qatar money going around.
I'm not denying that.
There's a lot of different foreign money going around.
I can sit here and confidently say myself, in force, we don't get any of that money.
But it's definitely going around.
I mean, you know, I know about it.
Believe me.
Now there's this big, oh, it's Qatar, it's Qatar.
And every right-winger that is clearly on the Israeli lobby payroll, every single one is saying Qatar, Qatar, Qatar.
harrison smith
You know what that is, right?
That's because Qatar is now lobbying the IAEA to go investigate Israel's nuclear stockpile.
owen shroyer
Yeah, and also it's because Qatar, and the guy admitted, the prime minister from Qatar told Tucker Carlson, he said, yes, we are lobbying and spending money in American media to stop them from going to war with Iran.
Well, the Israel lobby is spending money to get us into war with Iran.
harrison smith
That's what you do, isn't it?
You spend money to...
owen shroyer
So which one would you prefer, Americans?
Hold on, let's finish this conversation.
So I've got these posts here, and you made a great point.
I want you to say it again.
Mark Levin is one of the leading examples.
And look, Mark Levin is a very strong constitutionalist.
He's had a voice in conservative media for decades.
I've read his books.
He does great work.
But he is clearly an Israel-first-er.
And it's never been more obvious than the last...
Really, I guess, since October 7th, because I've been listening to his radio program for years.
All he talks about now is Israel.
I mean, that's it.
He'll do a segment once or twice defending Trump and the Constitution, and that's good.
Then the rest of it is just about Israel, so I just turn it off.
I'm just sick of it.
Well, now he's posting the same Qatar propaganda that obviously the Israeli lobby has put the message out, hey, blame Qatar for everything.
And if you go, I'm just using Levin as an example because he has a large following.
He's been around in conservative politics forever.
He has a track record.
95% of the replies to Levin and others with similar commentary now, it's all anti-them.
It's all saying, how can you do this?
You've abandoned America.
You've sold out to Israel.
All this other stuff.
So it's unavoidable.
And you were saying about how it's like this game now of each time it just raises the ante.
harrison smith
Yeah, well, and it seems like we've entered into this new era of these convulsions that's being talked about like it never has before.
And it's a combination of things.
It's October 7th.
It's the military actions following that, which I would call a genocide.
It's the RFK, JFK, Epstein files being put down.
I mean, all of this contributes.
And so we're in this sort of new landscape where, yeah, the anti-Semitic or whatever you want to call it, the anti-Israel people are – Becoming more and more active.
And so Israel is trying harder and harder to clamp down on it.
And it's like it's going to come to a head at some point.
Both of these things can't exist.
Something has to happen.
And so to me, it's like this is the thing with the First Amendment.
Yes, you might be insulted.
Yes, you might have your feelings hurt.
You might be horrified at what's being said.
But the tradeoff is you get to think your own thoughts.
You get to hear the truth.
You get to express what you believe.
And that is a tradeoff that is well worth it at the end of the day.
The problem is that you have.
You have massive Jewish propaganda efforts to convince Jews that...
The way I always explain it is like, okay, Thomas Massey, why are they going after him so hard?
Why did AIPAC spend hundreds of millions of dollars to try to get him out?
unidentified
Well...
harrison smith
If he's a senator or a congressman and he doesn't vote for the Israeli military package, well, now the Israeli military package doesn't go through.
Now they can't defend themselves.
They're surrounded by enemies.
They're all going to get attacked.
Israel's on its own without America's support.
Now all the Jews are dead.
Therefore, if Thomas Massey's a congressman, you're going to kill all the Jews.
There's this fear constantly pumped in of if we don't get money from America, Israel goes down.
It's literally a matter of life and death that we maintain the relationship between Israel and America.
And I get it, so I sympathize with it, but it's also a total psyop.
It's also a trick to get people who are normally very reasonable on everything, like Mark Levin, when it comes to Judaism or Israel, they go off the rails and they believe things that they don't believe about any other.
You know, in any other setting.
owen shroyer
So it's PSYOP versus PSYOP. Well, and even if that is, let's say that phenomenon in Israel or the Middle East at large is true.
Let's even say that that is true.
Okay, fine.
But America should still be the first priority.
And clearly it has not been.
And we have had more action to stop these protests on college campuses than we have for the RFK files, the JFK files, the Epstein files.
Deep state arrests, any of it.
That's just a fact.
That is just an undeniable fact.
Now, here's what scares me.
This is ultimately, I think, the scariest thing.
Because you say, it's this tit-for-tat PSYOP war.
Something has to happen.
What I'm afraid, and this would be probably the worst possible thing, and this is why Qatar is saying, yeah, we're funding U.S. media to stop a war with Iran.
Because that could go nuclear.
That could go nuclear and the whole Middle East could blow up, if that's the case.
But yeah, Qatar wants Israel to be on the record with their nukes.
Israel doesn't want it to happen.
So you have Israel funding...
Pro-war with Iran.
Qatar funding anti-war with Iran.
You can decide which side you would want to be on if that's the case, which it is.
It's clear.
I'm afraid that something is going to be war with Iran.
I'm afraid of a false flag attack to get us into war with Iran.
Something really, really bad.
And honestly, if we end up in a war with Iran, that will be the worst thing that's ever happened in the modern...
Common sense Trump revolution.
harrison smith
Yeah, and it's exactly what we voted against.
Trump promised over and over that that was not going to be the case.
So I think he's already sort of breaking his promise by threatening military action in Iran.
Nobody wants it.
Don't do it.
It's World War III and the end of the world.
owen shroyer
Harrison Smith hosts the morning show.
We're coming back with Ivan Raikland.
All right, I still got all kinds of big news to cover.
I've got Ivan Raikland coming up here, and we're going to talk about the Massey deal.
We're going to talk about the deep state deal, break it all down.
I'll lace in some of the other news that's breaking today, including this Canada situation.
I mean, Trump has just bent Canada over.
They keep acting tough, and then every time they break, so I wouldn't expect anything less.
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All right, Ivan Raiklin joining me now.
Where do you want to begin, Ivan?
A lot of developments happening in D.C. The deep state list.
And this spat now between Trump and Massey, I'll let you decide where you want to kick it off.
ivan raiklin
Let's start with yesterday when Tulsi Gabbard is setting the example, I think, for the rest of the administration of what can be done with their discretionary authority in order to hold these criminal actors over the last four to eight years to account.
owen shroyer
Okay, so that's right.
So the security clearances that were revoked, which was like a perfect strike.
I mean, every single person that they took the security clearance away from was a deep state actor engaged in probably criminal activity against Trump.
ivan raiklin
Right, absolutely.
If you see, I think it was February of last year when I introduced the Deep State Target List, which basically goes into, by category, name, date, place, transgression, and category of those individuals that were involved in all the weaponization going back 10 years, essentially.
And one of the key categories up at top was the 51 Spies Who Lie.
But that wasn't until later, right?
That was in the 2020 component of it.
Because a lot of people still forget.
I mean, a lot of people are just tuning in now because Elon Musk and Joe Rogan have just tuned in over the last few months that...
It was the FBI that covered for the CIA in order to conduct a coup via a stolen election, an illegitimate joint certification on January 6th, the Fed's direction, and its subsequent cover-up.
But it all goes back to kind of 2014 because all of the pardons that were issued essentially by the Biden Criminal Syndicate go back to 2014, which begs the question, what was 2014?
That was when the Ukraine dealings were happening with the Biden Criminal Syndicate via their frontman, Hunter Biden.
The 51 spies who lied where their clearances were revoked, and some of the other key individuals and players regarding the Ukraine impeachment hoax, those individuals like the lawyer that covered for the quote-unquote fake whistleblower, I call him, right?
Mark Zayed is a very prominent national security lawyer in the District of Columbia, and he was very instrumental, literally within hours, if not minutes, of Trump.
Taking the oath on January 20th of 2017 in the first term is when he publicly tweeted out saying that the resistance begins, meaning the coup and subsequent actions of the traitors begin.
So Mark Zayed is a critical component of the deep state, and he was representing Eric Ciaramella, who happened to be the whistleblower that tried to stop Trump after the Mueller investigative team and after Mueller testified and absolutely flopped and failed because of his dementia.
That's when the deep state moved to go ahead and create the impeachment hoax one narrative and operation, starting off with that Ukraine whistleblow call.
And so, I mean, without going into too much more detail, this is a massively first step that Tulsi Gabbard immediately jumped on to go ahead and revoke clearances.
And I suspect that this is only the beginning.
I would expect more individuals, as the evidence is disclosed and probably declassified, Tulsi Gabbard has a lot of authority to declassify.
Just like when Rick Grinnell, when he was an acting director of national intelligence, and Kash Patel was his senior advisor, those two sitting at the ODNI Office of Director of National Intelligence were key and instrumental literally within a couple of weeks.
They declassified the names of the 39 who illegally unmasked and spied on General Flynn going back in 2016 to the 2017 transition period.
So I suspect that there's going to be much more.
owen shroyer
Well, and you want to talk about the security clearances.
You had the fake Biden laptop signees lose theirs.
All these deep state actors that you were just referencing that we covered yesterday lose theirs.
You also had a lot of these law firms that are directly connected to these judges that are ruling against Trump.
ivan raiklin
Covington, Burling, Perkins, Coie, yes.
owen shroyer
Yeah, so they have also lost their security clearances.
They're directly involved in all the...
The court, weaponized court systems.
ivan raiklin
You got to remember with Covington Burling?
Eric Holder is one of the senior partners at Covington Burling.
Eric Holder was a former, you know, the attorney general.
owen shroyer
They're literally marrying each other.
I mean, I've got the stack news how they're like officiating each other's weddings.
I mean, it's swamp central, man.
It's like, you go to one of their weddings, you do a 360, you see 10 swamp creatures.
ivan raiklin
Yeah.
But unfortunately, the swamp is so thick that it's actually duping this new administration into Making moves that I don't think that this administration realizes they're being duped.
And what I'm getting at is it's the second topic that we want to talk about.
owen shroyer
Let's pause on Massey.
Hold on.
Let's just pause on Massey real quick because I want to continue with something here.
I look at Trump's administration right now, and I've seen your coverage of this too, but I look at Tulsi Gabbard, I look at Cash Patel, I look at Pete Hegseth, and I'm like, okay.
These guys are focused.
They've got their eye on the ball.
And they're making sure not to make any mistakes.
And so when that's the case, I'm willing to be patient.
Like, if you've got to make sure you're not making mistakes, then I can tolerate being patient here.
But then you look at Pam Bondi, who has been really, I'm sorry to say, a disaster.
She's batting zero.
They keep talking about her accomplishments and her success.
I ask what?
What accomplishments?
What success?
ivan raiklin
She's been promoting faux news all week.
owen shroyer
Yeah, doing eight Fox News pieces.
Yeah, exactly.
And then, I mean, Kristi Noem kind of falls into play here, too.
I mean, you know, she dolls herself up and goes on a raid once a week.
But, you know, she hasn't been a complete disaster like Bondi has.
So what do you think needs to happen with this administration?
Because I see Hegseth, I see Gabbard, I see Patel, and I'm like, OK, focus, ready for the job.
And then I see Bondi, who just is like somebody on the mountain skiing, like falling over, skis flying over, gloves flying off, running into a tree.
It's just like, oh my gosh.
ivan raiklin
It's an embarrassment.
And I think the biggest tell, for those that are, you know, hey, let's wait, let's see how things play out.
For me, what really changed my perspective massively was, I think it was yesterday that it was announced that Kash Patel...
Has requested a direct phone line to the president so he can communicate with him directly.
That to me means, and I could be wrong in my assessment on this, this is my assessment based on no insider information, Owen.
I'm seeing this as though he does not trust Pam Bondi to do what is necessary, and so he needs to communicate some things to President Trump to make the decision on how he's going to proceed.
Couple that with, it was a couple of weeks ago that Cash knows where the bodies are buried.
He knows the system.
He goes back to with Devin Nunes' days at the hip seat.
And he's about to get the best.
owen shroyer
And he's about to get...
But, you know, two things, too, and I'll let you finish.
Not only does Cash Patel know all of this, he is also about to get, like, the best deputy ever in...
Dan Bongino, who also knows all of this.
I mean, that's like both of these guys.
ivan raiklin
Yeah, you mentioned that.
I think it was yesterday or today, yesterday's broadcast.
I agree with that, on that.
Because Dan Bongino's podcast has, you know, over the years has been really focused in, and he's written books about it, like you said.
owen shroyer
Yeah, multiple books.
ivan raiklin
About the deep state.
Cash wrote the book on government gangsters.
I use that as a primary source to kind of help feed some of, you know, components of my deep state target list.
So I've consumed massive amounts of information.
But one critical component that...
I think Cash and Dan Bongino, I love these guys for what they've been doing, but I think one, I guess, blind spot, if you will, if they even have any, at least in terms of what they put out publicly, I think that they have a blind spot in knowing and understanding the leadership of the Capitol Police, the Capitol Police Board, and those internal deep state dynamics of the legislative branch.
Now, Cash may know it, but I think that...
America needs to be educated further.
And that goes on to the next thing that breaking today, I had a source today reach out to me and said, the current Capitol Police Chief, who's been the Capitol Police Chief since July 22nd of 2021, when they created that J6 cover-up committee, who's been involved in instrumental and weaponizing against all J6ers and covering up the Fed's direction, he is going to announce maybe as early as today his resignation with the...
Resignation date of May 1st or 2nd.
And that's in response to a report that came out, I think it was yesterday or earlier this morning, that showcases that Thomas Manger was receiving upwards of millions of bribe dollars from the Biden criminal syndicate.
And it was directed to his wife, Jacqueline Manger.
And when you start to do the link analysis on those two, Thomas Major, Jacqueline Major, they live in Montgomery County, Maryland, which is in Jamie Raskin's district.
And if you dig a little further, they're besties between Jacqueline and Thomas with Sarah Raskin and Jamie Raskin.
And let's go back to the beginning.
Sarah Raskin was one of the 39 that illegally unmasked and spied on General Flynn.
The swamp runs deep.
Hopefully more people will start to learn all the different players involved.
And now you see how impeachment hoax two was created with the Fed's direction cover-up.
It started with the Ukraine call for Adam Schiff to run the impeachment hoax one as the lead impeachment manager.
And then it continued on with Jamie Raskin to go ahead and run the second impeachment hoax in order to cover for the transgressions of his wife, Sarah, when she was at the Treasury Department.
owen shroyer
Well, that's like the Democrat.
Gang initiation, right?
It's like, you run a deep state operation for us, like Adam Schiff, and then we'll promote you to the Senate.
They probably stole that election from Steve Garvey, but that's a California politics issue.
I don't want to go down that road with you now.
But that's what it is.
So Schiff ran that.
He ran that scam for the Democrats.
And then he gets promoted to the Senate.
They probably stole the election for him.
So you're absolutely right.
And, you know, getting back to the issue with Pam Bondi...
Because I keep seeing this as well.
Is it a...
ivan raiklin
To me, when I... He's a defensive player is what I said as soon as they...
owen shroyer
Well, let me ask you.
Let me pose the question to you like this, Ivan.
Let me pose the question to you like this.
Because when I read these reports, and I don't doubt it's going on, Kash Patel wanting a direct line to the president, I'm thinking, okay, you know, he knows they're spying on everything, right?
I mean, he knows the deep state is spying on everything.
Any wire they can tap, they will.
Any phone conversation they can record, they will.
And so to me, that was...
Patel just having ultimate situational awareness saying, hey, you know, we got to be extra careful here.
We can't let them know.
We can't let them in our huddle, basically.
But what is the, because you're not the only one reporting this.
A lot of people I respect that have sources, not like you don't, but they're saying the same thing.
Like, this has something to do with Pam Bondi and either a lack of trust or, I mean, you don't want to hand the ball to her because she's going to fumble.
I mean, can you explain that a little more?
ivan raiklin
I think that, I mean, when people look at things, you got to look at from the prism of where are Pam Bondi's loyalties, and not even so much loyalties, but relationships that factor in her decision-making process, because she receives texts, right, communications, emails, etc., from all different angles, and people talk to her and call her.
So then it begs the question, what other interests are there that want to make sure that she does not expose and uncover corruption within the Republican Party?
And for me, it all goes back to, you know, we have to take a look at the Epstein client list, then who's going to be implicated there?
And then it comes to, you know, who was involved in the January 6th Fed Surrection from the Republican side of it.
And I think that she may not know herself, but she's being told and guided in a way that doesn't really look like it's nefarious to slow walk, or she's urged to go on faux news every day to basically say, hey, day seven of no Epstein list released.
Oh, Hannity, day eight.
owen shroyer
Yeah, what are we on now?
ivan raiklin
Meanwhile, the American lemming, you know, quote, Republicans are consuming that toxic content so that they stay within that brand of garbage food.
Meaning, you know, you have junk food from the physical consumption component, and you also have digital information that's junk food.
And she continues to feed that junk food narrative so that people pay attention there and don't consume the truth-tellers like you.
owen shroyer
It's like some addictive food chemical.
That's such a great analogy.
That's exactly what it's like.
It's like an addictive food chemical.
And remember, and look, it's tough, you know, because sometimes you say something and people hear something entirely different, but you don't want to waste time trying to nitpick exactly what you're saying.
But, I mean, let's just go back in time because it was Sean Hannity.
Who said on his show, tick-tock, tick-tock, it was Sean Hannity who said, indictments are coming, indictments are coming.
And then it was Sean Hannity.
ivan raiklin
Yeah, as he was sitting there with Lindsey Graham, right?
owen shroyer
And then it was Sean Hannity with Pam Bondi running cover for her saying, oh, we got to be patient.
Oh, national security.
So I really don't care about that.
ivan raiklin
You got to remember, Paul Ryan sits on the board of phone news and directs Sean Hannity on what to put out.
And basically it's protecting Paul Ryan and his involvement in January 6th.
I get too close to the hot button.
Thomas Massey is too close to exposing the same people that I am basically on the verge of exposing as well.
owen shroyer
Well, and if you want to jump into that lane, we can go there right now.
And I will just say, you know, people have a lot of conspiracy theories about Hannity and I do full spectrum analysis.
If you listen to Hannity's radio show, he has an hour, two-hour radio show, I can't remember, syndicated, it's on SiriusXM.
His radio show is totally different than his TV show, which is natural.
It's a different medium, but you can just tell.
ivan raiklin
It's his own brand, right?
He's not controlled on what he can say by the board, right?
Just like Tucker.
Tucker had complete free reign on Tucker today, and that's why I was invited to be a guest and speak on that program.
But it's not until it hits.
Faux News and Tucker Tonight, that you start to get some scrutiny by the Murdochs, the Paul Ryans, on what can be said and what cannot be said.
And, you know, the last interview that Tucker did was with Chief Stevenson of the U.S. Capitol Police, where he was starting to expose and starting to get to that thread up to Pelosi and potentially up through the sergeant-at-arms, Paul Irving, to Paul Ryan.
But guess what the Murdochs and Paul Ryan did to Tucker?
They completely threw him out.
owen shroyer
And I like the New York Post, and I think they just do.
You want to be a positive morale factor for the team.
You want to be a positive morale factor for Trump, and you want to be a positive morale factor for the populist movement right now.
But at the same time, you do have to be critical.
You do have to...
Stick to what's right and telling the truth.
So I look at the situation with Bondi, and I'm just like, what do we need to do here?
This is the problem.
It's like, if I'm a sports franchise, let's say I got a basketball team, and I'm a sports franchise, and I'm like, damn, I got a really good team here, but, you know, my small forward is just a disaster, turning over the ball.
It's like, I gotta make a trade.
Like, I gotta get this guy out.
I gotta bring somebody in.
ivan raiklin
And it's the playoffs.
So you're like, ooh, what do I do?
owen shroyer
It's the finals.
It's for everything.
So how do we balance that?
ivan raiklin
I think if I were recommending to President Trump, the lens upon which he needs to decide on who gets appointed for a position, it needs to be, were you maximally weaponized against by the previous administration?
and you publicly spoke out against it at personal cost, then guess what?
You passed first muster.
Pam Bondi was not weaponized against at all these last 48 years.
So then she shouldn't even be in the running.
Ash Patel was weaponized against by the J6 Select Committee.
So he's a great pick.
Pete Hegseth was weaponized against by the Biden criminal syndicate as it applies to the Jabs, the DOD.
He got thrown off from defending the inauguration in January 20th as a DC guardsman.
So he's a perfect pick because he was weaponized against.
And his network obviously was weaponized against.
Tulsi Gabbard.
It goes back to the three that you said were great.
Tulsi Gabbard was weaponized by the censorship industrial complex when she absolutely obliterated and beat down Kamala Harris in the Democrat debates.
But commie search and commie tube wouldn't let you search her name.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
ivan raiklin
So we need to have somebody else as the AG and some I mean, I could throw out some names.
I mean, Sidney Powell.
owen shroyer
That's right where my head goes.
And of course, you know, we know how much she was attacked.
ivan raiklin
And Paxton would be another pick.
owen shroyer
I love Ken Paxton.
ivan raiklin
I mean, there's several folks.
You could probably think of some more that I'm not thinking of right now.
owen shroyer
Well, I would personally, I mean, you know, Ken Paxton, like we meet him here in Texas.
I think Ken Paxton is, I may or may not know for sure, but is considering a run against John Cornyn coming up.
But my guess is he would take a job offer from Trump.
At least in an interim before that to kind of go in there and clean house.
Because again, I just look at this and I'm like, you know, I'm putting together a championship team.
And I don't, I don't, this is not a knock on Trump, right?
He's doing a hundred different things and you got to delegate.
I mean, at the end of the day, as a CEO, you have to delegate and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
But I'm looking at this and I'm saying, and this is why you have all kinds of upper management positions.
I'm saying, look, we got a nice team here.
We can go all the way, but...
We got a problem at this position, and we got a problem over here, and, you know, this is not going to get us where we want to go.
Christy Noem, greatest governor, not doing it for me as Department of Homeland Security.
Now, she's not fumbling every other time she gets the ball like Bondi, but, I mean, why not just make Tom Holman?
Why not just make Tom Holman for that position?
ivan raiklin
That's another fantastic pick.
owen shroyer
You know, why wouldn't you just do that?
And then Attorney General, I mean, Sidney Powell, you know, she's not afraid of anybody.
You look at some of these lawyers that actually stood up against the stolen election and just went through all of it.
To me, that's where I would be going.
ivan raiklin
She filed more lawsuits than everybody else combined.
owen shroyer
Hell, what about Rudy Giuliani?
I mean I know he's kind of up there, but I mean Rudy Giuliani.
ivan raiklin
I think President Trump is angry at her because there were some typos in some of her filings.
Meanwhile, she filed the most substantive and more than anyone else filings that ended up going to the Supreme Court that obviously John Roberts ignored.
But bottom line, she was hustling.
She was trying to clear up the illegal 2020 election and then going into January 6th as well.
And since then, she's been fighting against all the tyranny of the last four years and slaying those ethics, I guess, claims and charges against her.
She just won one, I think, a week or so ago or two weeks ago against the Texas bar.
owen shroyer
Yep.
So I don't know.
I don't really know if it's on Trump's radar right now.
To me, I think.
I don't think Pam Bondi lasts much longer.
I think it's probably way down on Trump's priority list right now.
He's got other things, the trade deals.
ivan raiklin
Which begs the question.
I mean, people need to ask, who teed up Pam Bondi to President Trump for him to nominate her?
Huh?
Maybe Chris Lasavita knows this.
Hey, is Chris Lasavita the one behind Thomas Massey trying to take him out?
owen shroyer
Well, that's not even a secret.
ivan raiklin
As far as I can tell, based on his Twitter handle, it is.
owen shroyer
Yeah, that's not even a secret.
All right, Ivan Raikland is my guest.
Let's put a pin in that.
And let's go into the Massey issue on the other side of this break.
And, I mean, that's not even really a secret.
Like you said, he's bragging about it.
He's basically saying, I'm coming for you, Massey.
And people had an issue with him really since the outset of this administration with his role.
I haven't really said too much about it.
I mean, I covered it.
But now that they're going after Massey, just bad priority.
All right, Thomas Massey is a big subject of discussion right now, and I think the right way to kind of lay the playing field here, Ivan, because we just, unfortunately, we have to do this, and this isn't an insult to the audience, because I think my audience gets this, I think your audience gets this, but it's worth framing this context that, folks, in politics, you have to understand, you have to take the good with the bad, and you have to understand...
You know, not everything is black and white.
There's some things that are black and white, and then there's a lot of gray area, and there's also things where two things can be true at once, or two things can be wrong at once.
So not everything is just split down the middle, where a lot of people kind of go to with stories like this.
And also, I think the other thing worth mentioning here is a lot of the commentary that you're seeing around this subject of discussion with Thomas Massey is paid for.
These are paid-for online influence operations.
I know this for a fact, okay?
I know this for a fact.
I don't take the money.
I'm just telling you I know it for a fact.
These are online paid-for influence operations.
They call them digital media support is one name that they call it.
So most of the stuff you're reading is just that, and then plus some of the other political lobbying and foreign lobbying that goes on.
So I just kind of want to lay that frame of reference for people before we get into this conversation.
You know, I'll kind of feed it to you like this.
I think Trump, President Trump, whether or not, and maybe you can get into the people in his ear influencing this stuff, but I think Trump probably does have a bit of a personal thing with Massey.
Massey did campaign with Ron DeSantis.
He did say some things about January 6th, which from my research were all taken out of context.
But they did use that stuff to create headlines that make Massey, you know, look like he blamed the whole thing on Trump.
And it was all kind of spun and taken out of context.
And so I think that's kind of where we got today, where maybe Trump was easily influenceable on this.
But now Trump's saying he's going to primary Massey.
Nothing on primary in Crenshaw or Lindsey Graham or Collins or Murkowski.
ivan raiklin
Or the two impeachment voters that supported Raskin's impeachment hoax, too, that are still in the Congress, Dan Newhouse and David Valadao.
Nothing on them.
owen shroyer
So go from there.
ivan raiklin
Yeah, there's a lot to unravel here.
I like how you set the frame and the context as we talk about this.
So I like it to do it this way.
So let's take a look at the positives and the negatives of Thomas Massey.
What do you want to start off with?
Some of the negatives and then maybe kind of address those.
You mentioned January 6th.
I think there was Laura Loomer came out there and said that it was Thomas Massey that said he supports everybody to have a gun.
That's a member of Congress in order to protect themselves in the context of January 6th.
Well, the broader context is that before January 6th, it was Lauren Boebert that was advocating to be able – I mean, she's a very diminutive, small woman, and so she wants to exercise her Second Amendment as a newly minted member of Congress.
And I think that was in the context in light of that, that all members of Congress should be in a position to defend themselves.
And that was at the – on January 6th, at the height of it.
Everybody was duped into believing that it was the biggest insurrection ever in the history of humanity.
I mean, we're talking like 25-inch insurrections, right?
And so later on, people started to realize that it wasn't as such.
And so, I mean, I think that addresses that.
The other component, which is a legitimate political concern.
Did Thomas Massey support Ron DeSantis?
He did.
Should he pay and face consequences for that political decision?
Yes.
But guess what supplants that from my perspective?
Some of the positives.
Thomas Massey was the only one to get it right when it came down to voting in person on the COVID $2 trillion tax.
It's basically the heist of the American taxpayer where Nancy Pelosi wanted to do it without any quorum.
Just where everyone was going to be voting by proxy to allocate $2 trillion to those people that participated in the 2020 electoral heist.
She wanted to pay those people off nationwide and globally.
That's what the $2 trillion COVID relief package was.
This is my assessment.
And when you start to look at the details of it, and Doge, if you want to take a look at the $2 trillion, you will see the levels of fraud, waste, and abuse and the payoffs.
Of those institutions, NGOs, business organizations throughout the country, and politicians that conducted the electoral heist of 2020, they were bribed through that money.
Thomas Massey was the only one that pushed back against voting, and then he said that everyone needed to come in and vote for that.
What did President Trump do?
He went along with the cuck-rhino Republicans that basically said, Thomas Massey, we shouldn't do this.
We need to basically allow Nancy Pelosi to fund all of us, Republican and Democrat, without any public scrutiny.
That is massive.
To me, that is amidst all of the weaponization against him and everyone calling him names, he actually was the only member of Congress that stood his ground and did that.
That's courage, okay?
To me, that is tenfold good.
Versus the political transgression that he made in supporting Ron DeSantis in the primary.
What else?
owen shroyer
Let me just kind of compound on that for a second.
I don't know if you can find a better congressman that has a better voting record than Thomas Massey.
He probably has the best voting record.
And I see some of these Republicans are like, well, you know, he voted with Biden on this or that.
Well, no, he's a principled fiscal conservative.
I don't think it was about Biden or Trump.
I think he votes on his physical conservative principles, which he's maybe the last remaining one in Congress.
I mean, he's the last of a dying breed.
I don't think there are any physical conservatives anymore.
For that alone, it's almost worthy of protecting him.
He's like an endangered species.
But, you know, there's more to it, too.
Oh, by the way, he has a 99% score on the constitutional rating.
99%.
And all these people, oh, Constitution, Constitution.
Well, here's your highest scoring congressman on the Constitution, and you're saying you want him out.
ivan raiklin
Two other points, though.
I mean, January 6th, name a member of Congress more zealous at trying to identify who the pipe bomber was on January 5th and 6th than Thomas Massey.
If he continues to dig down that rabbit hole, he gets to identify who was behind that pipe bomb.
And then possibly, as we further investigate that, it goes all the way up to the desk of Paul Ryan, right?
And then the last point I'd like to make is not only that, like the January 6th component and the COVID component.
I mean, remember when he had an interview with good old Tucker Carlson where he called out most of these members of Congress, Republicans, have an AIPAC handler.
And so I think those are the critical components of actually why the deep state is targeting Thomas Massey for removal.
And they're doing it not by identifying those three transgressions because if they said that publicly, everyone will – the cat's out of the bag, right?
And then in addition to that, when you look at the Israel component, the Epstein stuff, you've covered this ad nauseum on your show, I'm sure.
The way that they're doing it, it's very delicate and deliberate that they're trying to get Massey hemmed up based on his support of DeSantis and the CR as though he's trying to undermine President Trump.
That Doge is not having any influence.
They're exposing the fraud, waste, and abuse, but then it has no impact on the continuing resolution and the budgeting cycle in Congress.
That is the broader issue, and that's not being addressed.
Meanwhile, the RINOs that win financially from the CR to continue, they're the ones whispering in President Trump's ear to say, Go ahead and post this truth that I wrote for you, and let's take out Thomas Massey so that we have another person that is not going to be able to expose the truth of January 6th.
We won't get to the bottom of the January 6th Fed's direction cover-up.
We won't hold anybody to account related to the COVID pandemic and subsequent destruction of the Constitution and all the money that was stolen from the American taxpayer.
That's what I think is going on.
And the breadcrumbs of who is behind going after Thomas Massey in his own Twitter posts is Chris Lasavita.
I don't know the guy.
I may have crossed paths with him once, possibly, because he's in Virginia and we've done Virginia politics.
I recognize the name.
I have no personal issue or beef with the gentleman.
Like, nothing.
But he has put it out there that he is doing everything in his power to take out Thomas Massey.
And it appears as though he's there for the financial windfall of being the consultant for whomever is the opponent to Thomas Massey so that Chris Lasavita can make money hand over fist.
And when this video gets out there, I'm probably going to have another fair share of haters in the Trump ecosystem for calling a spade a spade.
Now, if I'm wrong, all these people have my number.
Please call me.
Correct me.
Text me.
And I'd be happy to apologize for my misinterpretation.
But that's how I read it right now, Owen.
owen shroyer
I don't know how you're misinterpreting it.
He's literally saying he's going to have him removed.
I don't know.
ivan raiklin
There's no room.
I'm trying to leave at least a semblance of...
owen shroyer
No, there's no room.
ivan raiklin
I'm trying to keep an opening open in the event.
unidentified
Well, that's good.
owen shroyer
Hey, look, we're all for conversation.
ivan raiklin
And by the way, I'm trying to be a team player here.
owen shroyer
I think, well, we all want victory at the end of the day.
We want to save the country.
I mean, that's the goal here, at least for us.
And actually, this is exactly what I was going to go to anyway, because this is an important factor.
And this is what I've realized.
I've kind of realized it before, but I think the Massey situation has kind of re-emphasized it.
So forget about what I said at the outset of this segment with the paid influence operations and all that.
It's all very real.
I think what you now see is this other dynamic in D.C. where Trump has basically steamrolled into politics and now the GOP establishment, the Republican establishment, they know they have to get on board with Trump.
And so now the same people that probably would not have ever wanted him involved in politics, now they realize, well, now we have to get on the train and we have to try to get influence and get access to Trump.
That's the only way.
So what you have is you have these two sections where you have the people that have been with Trump since 2015, 2016. And who actually want to see real permanent change in Washington, D.C., like actually want to drain the swamp, actually want to have results versus now kind of the more establishment blue blood types that have just accepted Trump is in charge now.
And now, oh, we're with Trump now.
ivan raiklin
We're with Trump 2024. Yeah, they weren't able to warfare him out of office, right, and then assassinate him to include Republicans.
And so now they have to play ball.
owen shroyer
So that's kind of the dynamic I see at play here, is you have the GOP establishment that originally didn't want Trump, and now they have to accept Trump and work with Trump.
They don't really want to see permanent change.
They have their own agenda.
And then you have the real Trump base that is serious when they talk about make America great again and what that means.
And so that's kind of the difference.
ivan raiklin
America first, not Israel, Ukraine, or Russia, or China first.
owen shroyer
Or anybody.
Just basic stuff.
So it's like, that's the 2016 Trump base, which is like very...
I mean, we do get access to Trump and we do have some influence there versus the GOP establishment, which gets access because they have billions of dollars to spend.
So it's like the paid access that is like old establishment type Republican politics.
And then it's the organic influence and access that's been loyal with Trump since 2016. And so I kind of see this as the two things emerging.
But, you know, just from raw politics, I look at this situation with Massey and I'm thinking, look, and this isn't my hill to die on.
I don't live in Kentucky.
The people in Kentucky will decide.
It's kind of like the same thing they tried to do with Chip Roy here in Texas.
I can tell you, Chip Roy's right here in Austin.
Very popular.
Chip Roy will win.
They can try to attack him and primary him and maybe some of their attacks against him are fair, whatever.
Chip Roy will win.
And I think they realized it.
Chip Roy is very well-liked in his district, so they've kind of given up on getting rid of Roy because they did the same thing through the Trump White House to Chip Roy and it just fell flat.
So that could happen with Massey, but there are a lot more forces, a lot more national forces against Massey.
So I look at this and I say, OK, Massey basically has two choices.
He can stay in the House and continue to fulfill his role there, which I think is necessary as basically an endangered species, a fiscal conservative.
Or he can roll the dice and say, I'm going to run for the Senate seat.
I'm going to run against the swamp.
I'm going to run against the foreign lobbyists.
I'm going to run against the big GOP.
I'm going to put my full faith...
In the people of Kentucky to elect me.
But what's interesting is, because I think about these factors, the guy who he's going to be running against is Daniel Cameron.
And I don't think Cameron is bad.
He will be better than McConnell.
But he is McConnell's hand-picked person.
So all these people that are coming after Massey, they'll talk trash all day on McConnell.
They'll tell you how bad McConnell is all day long.
Well, you're basically voting in McConnell's guy with Cameron.
And by the way, he lost.
He lost a governor's race to a Democrat.
That's the guy?
So I kind of look at all the factors here and I'm like, I don't know.
It's not my hill to die on.
I don't live in Kentucky.
Massey will have to make his move.
ivan raiklin
Well, Cameron's going to have all that, you know, the Mitch McConnell Ukraine money that was sent over back to the Mitch McConnell PACs of the world and his relations.
So it's a force to be reckoned with.
I mean, you've got the billions versus the grassroots.
And I think...
As long as Elon and Chris, you know, was it Pavlovsky of Rumble, allow us to put out the truth and the kind of critical thought of exposing who's behind all these political machinations, I think Massey would have a chance to win the Senate seat.
But you've got to remember, going back to Hannity, he was the one that handpicked, I think, Oz to lose the Senate race against, what's his name?
The guy that came and put a suit on, just like, you know, Fetterman, just like his buddy Zelensky.
You've got to remember that the grassroots and everybody, all of our network was behind, what's her name?
The black lady in Pennsylvania, Catherine Barnett.
We were all, I mean, I know I was, I'm not sure where you were, but Catherine Barnett's story is so compelling.
And then all of a sudden, it was deemed by the Republican establishment and Sean Hannity's and Paul Ryan's of the world that guess what?
She's unelectable.
She's unelectable because you said that, because you're not going to be able to control and make money hand over fist over that person.
And Dr. Oz represents the big pharma, right?
And I hate to throw shade at individuals that are supposedly aligned with us, but I mean, I like to call balls and strikes like you do, Owen.
And right now, the priority should not be talking about primering Massey.
The focus should be on...
If we don't start seeing livestream swatting raids of the traitors on the deep state target list, this administration is going to have much more problems to face because our role is going to get to a point where we're going to have to start to calm down the base from doing it themselves.
In the absence of legitimate authorities doing it.
And I don't want to see that.
owen shroyer
I think this goes back to what we were saying earlier.
The establishment GOP that's been forced to kind of accept Trump that doesn't really care much about results as long as it benefits them versus the original Trump base that's been here since 2015 that is serious about saving the country.
It's not rhetoric.
It's not paid influence.
It's serious.
We're serious.
ivan raiklin
It's organic critical thought.
owen shroyer
Yeah.
So, you know, I think that the Massey thing is just going to be another test case of And he's done it before, but it's easier to win a House race than a Senate race.
And they probably stole those races in Pennsylvania, by the way, from the Republicans, but that's in their story.
The question is going to be, and maybe Massey decides to be one of the test cases, it's going to be, okay, in America, can you really run against a swamp?
Now, Trump did it and won, but okay, let's look at this in a little.
Can you really run against the foreign lobbying?
Can you really run against the establishment GOP with your name not being Trump?
And just get the true grassroots support in your state that you've earned, full faith and credit, and can you win?
You know, that, Massey will be one of the big test cases for that, whether he decides to take that challenge or not.
I guess, I don't know, he hasn't officially decided, but it looks like he's going to go for it.
It's going to be a big test case to see really where we're at politically, if Americans can actually get in there and win an election.
ivan raiklin
But I want to stress one more time because I want it to be clear for your audience and me to formulate this actually a little bit more succinctly.
The way I see it is the attack on Massey by Las Vidas and those that are behind the Las Vidas kind of whispering campaign into Trump to release this anti-Massey sentiment.
It's to pick an issue that is benign, that doesn't implicate those attacking Massey.
In order to cover up the real reasons why they're trying to remove Massey.
And I suspect it's because he's the one that called out the APAC handlers of his colleagues, the Republicans, which is a foreign lobbying group.
Number two, the January 6th pipe bomb, as he investigated that, very zealous about that, which potentially implicates other Republicans.
And lastly, and probably most importantly, is that the COVID con, Thomas Massey...
Not only during that $2 trillion vote that we discussed, but also subsequent to that, he was the one in these field hearings with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
He's the one that didn't take the jab.
One of the few in Congress that didn't take the jab because he was a critical thinker.
And he's in a position that – and he has a desire to expose the entire COVID op, the whole big pharma scheme that took money.
I mean, there's so much to talk about on that.
We've done it for like three, four years.
But he is the one representative in the House amidst those three topics that has been at the forefront.
Literally the number one draft pick.
And they can't go after him for that because they know that they've already been exposed through all the Twitter files and all the oversight hearings, etc.
So they don't want to touch that because then they are seen as the enemy.
So they have to choose a different topic to go after Massey on.
In order to protect themselves from being held to account.
owen shroyer
And then it would be indefensible.
All right, one more thing here before we let you go.
Exactly.
FBI Director Cash Patel says, and this goes back to all these hearings, including but not limited to the hearings on the assassination of President Trump.
And this has kind of been the culture in D.C. Everybody just goes through the motions and then leaves.
Nobody gets any results.
So look at the assassination hearings where you have multiple members of Congress at the Senate and in the House.
They're saying, hey.
Can you give us these documents?
Can you give us these documents?
Can you answer these questions?
And the answer is always, oh, I'll send those to you.
Oh, I'll get those to you after the hearing.
Oh, I'll give you those answered after the hearing.
And then you never get anything.
Then it just comes and it goes and nobody pays attention.
Well, apparently FBI Director Cash Patel has a different attitude towards this.
He says, our team has been working day and night to produce documents for Chairman Grassley and Chairman Jordan, and this is only the beginning.
To rebuild trust, your FBI will be opening the books at levels never done before.
So, this is, again, these are these hearings where we're told, okay, we'll answer this question, we'll send you this information, whatever, and then nothing ever happens, there's no follow-up, and I don't know if that's, you know, members of Congress just knowing it's a fool's errand, so they just give up, or they try to get follow-up and there's nothing on the back end.
How important would that be, to actually have the answers from Congress, who are supposed to be in charge of all these bureaucracies, get what they ask for?
ivan raiklin
I think this is perfect because he's actually – he's communicating with the chairman of the judiciary committees in the House and the Senate, and he already knows what they need and request – they requested.
So it's basically you have two friendly parties that are trying to participate as a team instead of adversaries to go ahead and disclose what the FBI did so that the trust in the organization can move it in a direction so that – Kash Patel is not seen as the director of the FBI but of the FBI with the transparency because his fingerprints are nowhere.
I assume Jim Jordan's fingerprints are nowhere to be seen as well as chairman of the judiciary on the Senate side, Grassley, in the corrupt scheme that happened back at the FBI over the last eight to ten years.
So if I were to advise these people that are in this administration… The best thing you can do is you can show up on True Social, etc., and explain every day, this is what's going on.
Or at the least, why don't you do your five bullet points like Elon Musk is asking all federal employees to do.
This is what we've done this week, and then what we're about to do the following week, so that people can see the transparency of the process and flow and the direction in which you're taking the country.
Otherwise, you're going to have people supplanting what you're trying to do and going down their path and sometimes maybe getting in the way of your objective.
Because a lot of people are antsy.
In our movement, we want to see results.
And after the eight years of crime, after tens of thousands being murdered from COVID, etc., etc., I mean, we need to see results.
owen shroyer
Ivan Raiklin, the Deep State Maraider, thank you for your time.
ivan raiklin
Marauder.
Can I say one more thing?
Ten seconds.
Thomas Manger, U.S. Capitol Police Chief, breaking, just announced his resignation.
Now we need to arrest him.
owen shroyer
There you have it.
That was what you called that shot, huh?
You pointed to the bleachers and you put it in row three.
Ivan Rankin, always great to have you on the show.
Great analysis today.
We'll be in touch.
There goes Ivan.
ivan raiklin
Thanks, I appreciate it.
owen shroyer
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Alright, breaking news has just come across my desk.
And this is a lot bigger than just this story and this headline.
But somebody made a big mistake.
And this is actually going to out, I think, other...
Bureaucracies that are engaging in the same thing.
USAID officials tell remaining staffers, shred and burn all your documents.
The materials earmarked for destruction include contents of the agency's classified safes and personal documents at the Ronald Reagan Building, said in an email sent by USAID's...
Executive Director Erica Carr, now they shared this, or somehow Politico obtained this.
Let me read from you the exact email.
They're having a meeting this morning, and then she says, shred as many documents first and reserve the burn bags for when the shredder becomes unavailable or needs a break.
They're going to be shredding so many documents, the shredder's going to break down.
If you need to use the burn bags, do not overfill and ensure the burn bag can be closed with staples on top so nobody else can go in there and look at it.
The only labeling required on the burn bags are the words secret and USAID in dark Sharpie if possible.
If you need additional bags or Sharpie markers, please let me or the SEC Info team know.
Ladies and gentlemen.
If you think this is the only agency that has sent out an email of this nature or some sort of a memo or a notice or activating people to shred and burn documents like this, well, I got news for you.
You're wrong.
I guarantee you similar things have gone through the FBI and other agencies that Doge is looking at or that feel they could be targeted in other ways by the Trump administration.
Now, there's no way they anticipated this email would get leaked.
But here it is.
So the questions are obvious.
Why, as USAID is being investigated, as all the fraud, waste, and abuse at USAID, and then the kickbacks and everything else are about to be exposed, why are they burning and shredding documents?
And is that even legal?
Of course not!
This is all illegal.
But they're willing to commit this illegal act because it's going to cover up the even bigger crimes that they engaged in, which is going to be in these documents.
Holy smokes!
This needs to get to Elon Musk immediately.
This needs to get to Donald Trump immediately.
The Doge team needs to look into this right now.
Now, they apparently did this this morning.
The email says we're meeting and doing a burning and shredding party of all these secret documents to cover up our crimes this morning.
So, it might be too late.
But folks, let's be perfectly clear.
They've been doing this at the FBI. I guarantee them to you, hold over from the Biden administration that are either still there or gone, sent orders like this out.
Probably not dumb enough to do it on an email, but to burn and shred documents that will...
Expose them for crimes they've committed.
This must get to Doge and Musk and Kash Patel.
I mean, I'd say Pam Bondi, but, you know, I don't know if that does us any good, but, you know, give it to Pam Bondi, too.
Folks, this is huge.
They are actively covering up their crimes right now.
And they're doing it across all these agencies.
I mean, this is it.
They are caught red-handed.
Isn't it obvious?
Why are they so afraid of Doge?
Because Doge is going to expose their crimes.
The United States taxpayer, the U.S. Treasury, all these spending bills have been filled with so much waste, fraud and abuse, it's criminal.
And when the forensic auditors trace and track the money trail, they're going to find kickbacks to politicians and political groups.
They are literally shredding and burning the evidence of a potential criminal operation right now in Washington, D.C. This is huge.
They are caught red-handed.
All right, this is so big.
I have to stress this here, and please, we're going to post this immediately on the real Alex Jones account.
And I'm sure, I mean, ALX is already covering it and others, but I mean, we have to make this thing huge.
Musk needs to see this.
Trump needs to see this.
Doge needs to see this.
I mean, folks, they're so caught.
These people have been stealing hundreds of billions of dollars, trillions of dollars over decades.
And they're burning all the evidence right now.
And they know it.
They know they are caught so badly that they have made the strategic decision.
They have made the strategic measurement that, you know what, let's just burn the evidence because whatever comes from burning the evidence is going to be a lot less than whatever comes from if they actually discover what we are up to here.
I mean, folks, they were stealing billions of dollars.
I can't, again, I've been saying it forever.
It's just so, they're so caught, it's unbelievable.
This is why they hate Musk.
This is why they hate Doge, because it's where all their crimes are going to be exposed.
The biggest heist in the history of the world.
Forget about a $50 million bank robbery.
Forget about a $500 million money laundering, all this other stuff.
Bernie Madoff, Wolf Wall Street.
Forget about all that.
That's like nothing.
That's lightweight.
This is hundreds of billions of dollars stolen through USAID, kickbacks to politicians, kickbacks to their donors, kickbacks to their family.
No, the American people should be outraged.
But see, that's their big...
And they launder and steal money through all kinds of different enterprises.
Just look at Ukraine for one example.
But folks, USAID was like the center of it.
That was like their personally invented rat hole for billions of dollars and not even waste.
Fraud and abuse.
Outright theft.
Outright stealing money and giving it back to themselves.
And now they're burning the evidence because they know they've been caught.
This is huge.
Now, Breonna Sagdahl, I already had her coming on today to talk about the Joe Biden fake signatures, to talk about how they're about to vaccinate our food with mRNA.
But she covers all kinds of political news at Beef Initiative.
I mean, Brianna, I can't help but want to get your opinion on this.
I mean, they're caught.
They're caught red-handed burning the evidence of their crimes.
breeauna sagdal
You know, Owen, I think what's most important here is the context of intent.
And I think that this is going to really play out across the entire federal plan for equitable long-term recovery and resilience because these internal communications will determine if the intent was actually to carry out a full-on coup against the United States Constitution and the American people.
owen shroyer
Well, I can't think of any other reason why you would be burning documents.
I mean, an innocent person that's about to be audited, Is not shredding all their financial receipts?
breeauna sagdal
No, not at all.
And I think, you know, this really harkens back to our first interview.
You know, what we have uncovered with this entire federal plan and the over 101 UN who IMF, WEF, Atlantic Council funded a civil radical, civil society.
NGOs that were not only a part of Biden's transition team and leading up to his inauguration, but then took a significant role in hiring and staffing the White House.
Implementing what was previously the Thriving Together Springboard, creating the federal plan for equitable long-term recovery and resilience, and then implementing it for the first time in American history, quote-unquote, throughout the whole of government.
And again, these executive orders that now, upon, you know, secondary look, were signed by Autopin for the first time in American history, again.
Where a president got ahead of the congressionally approved appropriations.
And dictated how every single federal administrative agency would allocate those funds going to NGOs first.
So I think intent is going to be a really big deal moving forward.
And I would almost guarantee that's why they're burning documents and shredding evidence, because those internal communications will nail them to the wall.
owen shroyer
Yeah, and maybe we can even tie this into your expertise and just, you know, in case people haven't had seen our interviews before, you're kind of more of like a classical liberal, you know, pro farmer, organic agriculture type of a person.
And so you've witnessed firsthand the initiative of trying to hurt the beef industry.
You know, that's kind of one of your big expertise and actions you're involved in with Capitol Hill, but trying to hurt the beef industry.
And then maybe even generally speaking.
The farmer industry, just farmers that want to raise cattle and just kind of be independent farmers.
So, I mean, talk about that.
Talk about how there is this massive push of federal money, whether it's NGOs or other, you know, green carbon neutral initiatives in the agriculture industry, but it's the same thing.
They steal money from the U.S. Treasury.
They give it all to their leftist agenda causes in all these different industries, but specifically for this conversation, the agriculture industry.
So talk about that real quick.
breeauna sagdal
Yeah, so I just want to clarify really quickly.
Leftist does not mean liberal in this context because these individuals are completely authoritarian and are advocating for full-on authoritarianism and the monopolization of our industry in truth.
So, yeah, so going back to the 1980s, we had a...
Pretty significant shift with fascist economists such as Ira Magaziner.
Dennis Lawrence was a well-known American fascist economist.
But Robert Reich, right?
He's still on X, obfuscating these issues and attempting to sort of shift blame onto Elon Musk and that oligarchy that...
Anyways, I won't get into that.
I digress.
Point is, starting in the 80s, we began to see...
A significant push towards what is known as planned industrial harmony.
And it's this concept of using the full weight of the federal government and regulatory intervention to select winners and losers based upon their ideological compliance.
And then protect them from the same type of regulatory burdens that would apply to, say, family farms, mom and pop, right?
And in doing so, the idea is that these individuals can decide who is allowed to buy, sell, share, produce, who is allowed to make a living, and under what circumstances.
And it's really impacted our entire food supply chain.
owen shroyer
Well, let's kind of...
Make a very practical example here, because you come off as like Supreme Court academia in your breakdown.
It's picking winners and losers.
And so here's how I would explain it to people that might kind of be like overwhelmed of how you just described it.
If you have, let's say, a family farm versus a very large industrial farm, and they come in with some federal regulations and maybe some tax burdens, and they say, okay.
It's going to cost you X for each head of cattle.
It's going to cost you X for each acre of land.
It's going to cost you X for whatever your energy source is.
And so you're basically raising the tax regulatory burden.
Well, who's going to survive this process?
Is the small family farm going to survive that process?
Or is the big giant agriculture industrial giant going to survive the process?
Well, the answer is clear.
Now you're centralizing the food supply.
You're getting rid of family farms.
You're getting rid of independent farms.
And then, once you kind of have that process centralized, now you can basically dictate everything that happens in the agricultural industry.
breeauna sagdal
Yeah, that's exactly right.
You know, the other issue that we've been very concerned about over the last four years, and specifically through the Federal Plan for Equitable Long-Term Recovering Resilience, is this concept of contractual obligations over land use.
Land use, water rights, coding, zoning, future developments.
So I think one of the biggest victories for the farming and ranching community, if, for example, Samuel Dewey and the Heritage Foundation are correct and Biden's signature can be challenged on things like Executive Order 14008 or 14052, these executive orders significantly redirected.
And in allocating those funds, communities were then, right on the heels of the pandemic, nonetheless, communities were then contractually obligated to hand over their local control of things.
Like we just said, land use, water rights, zoning, coding, right?
In order to align with the sustainable, the UN Sustainable Development Goals and the Convention for Biological Diversity's wetland projects.
And this really centralized control away from the local level to the federal agencies for which those funds came through.
So we've been very, very concerned about this in terms of In terms of land use, because you can have all the land that you want.
And we're watching this play out across ranches all across the United States.
But if the federal government determines how you're allowed to use your lands, right, then it can begin to issue permits for a head that you raise per year.
So say you used to be able to raise 3,000 head, but now with the federal government determining land use and your rights on that land.
They'll come in and say, well, actually, we're going to give you this permit to only grace 1,200 cattle because that's what we've determined your land can handle.
It may potentially endanger these other species over here.
And so in order to conserve resources, we're going to determine what you're allowed to do on your own property.
And this is, I mean, this really goes back to...
The foundation of our country and the protection of private property rights and why this is so important to a free society.
Again, I digress.
This is one of our biggest concerns, and I think this is one of the biggest areas of hope for farmers and ranchers, that this could potentially be struck down by the courts, declared null and void, and we could see a return of those land use rights back to the and we could see a return of those land use rights back to the local level, decentralized
owen shroyer
Yeah, and it's all false scarcity, like they're doing with the egg shortage, where they kill 100 million chickens, and then they say, look, Trump caused the price of eggs to rise.
And it's just like, well, no, that's not the reality of this situation that happened under Biden.
But now I digress.
By the way, Elon Musk has just posted that story we covered about USAID, and he has said, quote, Destruction of evidence is a crime.
Now, this is going to be, this could end up at the Supreme Court because I guarantee you there was a lawyer consulted and they said, well, you know, Doge doesn't have any legal power or law enforcement power and there's technically not a crime scene established.
So, yep, you can do this and get away with it.
I guarantee you that's how this is going to be argued.
This thing is reaching ahead.
But to get back to the topic here, so the federal government basically seizes control of these lands.
Through fiat and regulation and taxes, and then what can they do?
Now you have to inject your food with mRNA.
Now you have to inject your cattle with mRNA.
So talk about that development.
breeauna sagdal
So this is, yeah, this is a really big point of contention with consumers right now.
So, let's see.
Going back to, well, I won't get into where it came from.
Bottom line, in 2022, under the Biden administration, there was an mRNA platform approved for food supply called Sequivity through Merck Animal Health.
And this is approved in the hog industry.
And unfortunately, because it goes through the livestock industry, there is not the same sort of...
Evidentiary threshold to be met.
There is this sort of feeling in our industry that we're being sort of targeted for a fast track through the regulatory process.
Anyways, but there is an approved mRNA platform for hops in the United States.
It is in our food.
And the biggest problem Is that these are done through a non-disclosure agreement with the rancher through what's called like a veterinarian prescription type of concept.
And the idea is that it stays in this sort of close network.
So there's not a ton of public disclosure on what happens.
In our industry, though, there's a lot of talk and we know.
That some of these herds are having up to a 30% rate of loss due to anaphylactic shock.
Hogs go into anaphylactic very easily.
owen shroyer
And that's from an injection?
breeauna sagdal
This is from the mRNA platform, Sequivity, yes.
So we're really hoping for increased transparency over this entire process.
When things get kicked over to the USDA, that's typically where transparency goes to die, and we really need to fix that.
Same thing with what's happening with H5N1. AFIS, which is the Animal Plant Health Inspection Service, has centralized testing over all of our presumptive positive samples.
And there's no means of independently verifying whether those samples are even viable, let alone if they're actually positive.
When you centralize control over the means of testing, you lose all access to transparency.
So we're really encouraging the Trump administration to address that, maybe alter what's called the Red Book, which is how we would handle pathogens, pandemic potential.
And begin creating more transparency.
All that said, we do not currently have an improved mRNA vaccine in our cattle supply or, from my understanding, in our poultry flocks.
And I just want to say that there's some really great news for anybody who is concerned about what's in their poultry.
Hogs or cattle, please check out beefmaps.com.
You can go on our website.
You can find your nearest rancher, get to know them, shake their hand, and support farmers and ranchers like our farm, our family.
Excuse me.
And buy the type of meat that you want to actually feed to your family.
And the only way that we are going to overcome this, in my opinion, is by voting with our dollars and making a demand for that consumer direct pipeline.
owen shroyer
And that's why farmers markets are so important.
And that's why, you know, even just knowing a local farmer, a local rancher is so important as well.
But that's why also.
The federal government wants to get involved.
They want to cut that relationship or they want to get in the middle of that relationship so they can have the ultimate say.
All right, now, final thing that we're going to talk about here, and I don't know about how much this applies to the cattle industry that you're involved in, but clearly it's been proven now, the oversight project here, somebody was forging Joe Biden's signatures.
And it would appear...
Again, it's all kind of open for interpretation, but it would appear either the signatures that he used or were automated on his pardons are fake, or the other signatures he used on other documents, like saying he wasn't going to run for president, are fake.
You know, they seem to think it's the opposite, that it was the pardon ones.
But there are clearly two different Biden signatures.
Actually, there were like three.
But the two they're using are one where he underlines his name, and then there's the one where he doesn't underline his name, and that's the pardon one.
But what they're doing here is they've – because they have these things where it's like an automated machine.
It's like an AI automated signature machine.
I mean, you can look it up on YouTube or whatever.
But they align these things, and the signature is the exact same thing.
So clearly it was a machine-based signature.
But it's not just the machine-based signature.
It's who was forging Joe Biden's signature the entire time.
So this is – how many of Joe Biden's executive orders that weren't – Or how many of his pardons or these other things that he supposedly signed, how many of them are fake, making them illegitimate?
That's one question here.
But I know you are bringing this up because it applies to some coverage that you're doing as well.
breeauna sagdal
Right.
Right, that's exactly right.
So as I was saying previously, if, for example, Samuel Dewey is correct from the Heritage Foundation and the auto pen would make those documents, those executive actions that were signed by auto those executive actions that were signed by auto pen null and void.
We could potentially see the rollback and repeal of programs that were authorized under, for example, Executive Order 14008 or Executive Order 14052. 14008 authorized what was called the Justice 40. And there are over 450 different allocations or programs through this initiative that,
frankly, centralized control over land use, water rights, future zoning, future planning, right, all in order to align with the UN Sustainable Development Goals or the The CBD's wetlands project, for example.
And this is a huge issue that we're seeing people now dealing with after hazards.
The hurricane is the primary example of this.
owen shroyer
And that's when they come in, the federal government seizes the land.
breeauna sagdal
Well, so there's a lot of money that's been set aside for federal acquisition.
But the primary goal of the federal plan for equitable long-term recovery and resilience...
Was this idea called community-driven relocation.
The idea was really to move the vast majority of the American population into what they called the resilient cities, which were based on this Rockefeller Foundation Atlantic Council sort of concept of build back better.
And in these resilient cities, you could have...
What was called a well-being economy, this concept that we could thrive together by moving beyond the concept of economic growth.
owen shroyer
Yeah, live in the pod, eat the bugs.
You know, it's for the good.
It's for your own good.
breeauna sagdal
Essentially, that's right.
But most importantly, what happened over the last four years is that FEMA created 767 new census tracts, which may in fact be a violation of the Hatch Act.
So it's going to be very important to figure out if these auto PIN signatures are null and void and the impact upon all of that programmatic implementation and funding allocation.
owen shroyer
Well, we're going to follow up with this because I don't, I mean, this fake signature, auto signature, whatever, forged signature, whatever the story is, this is a major scandal.
I mean, we got scandals.
They're burning evidence right now.
They're forging signatures.
Notice how Joe Biden, I don't think anybody's seen or heard from him since November.
So, you know, that's an easy thing to kind of fake when a guy can't even walk or talk.
Brianna, thank you so much for your coverage today.
I guess you're kind of fighting through a scratchy throat there.
So we appreciate your effort.
breeauna sagdal
Thank you so much.
I appreciate your time.
owen shroyer
Quit yelling at those hogs and cattle so much.
All right?
Give them a break.
All right?
They're trying their best out there.
They're just trying to avoid an mRNA injection.
All right, folks, we've got one segment left.
Man, I've got so much news to cover here.
We'll try to do it in a segment.
I mean, I'm just...
So much news, so many video clips.
We're going to try to do it all.
Final segment of the InfoWars War Room coming up right after this short break.
Let me handle...
Some business here.
I got a new video clip I want to cover that just happened.
There's just so much to cover here in the final segment.
First off, though, I want to express the utmost gratitude to the Infowars family.
We started a give-send-go for Jamie White and his family.
For support, a proper funeral, and everything else.
And once again, you've come through.
Amazing.
So, just cannot express the gratitude of the Infowars family and audience enough.
You guys have, I mean, you've built this place.
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You know, unfortunately...
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You know, this one hits a little different, an act of senseless violence.
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The family, the loved ones have a proper funeral and everything else there.
So we really appreciate that.
This is getting a lot of attention, by the way.
Governor Abbott, Attorney General Ken Paxton are now well aware of this.
Public statements have been issued.
You know, I was out there today on the scene getting some answers.
Posted that video on my X account.
I know there are other investigative journalists looking for answers, trying to get to the bottom of this.
So, just incredible.
Just really want to express the appreciation there for that.
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Alright.
Do we have the Levitt clip that I just sent ready, guys?
So, I need to explain fully what's happening here.
Because it's not just...
Because actually...
The clip isn't as important as what leads up to this clip.
So we've covered the auto signature, forging signature, whatever was going on with Joe Biden.
And we also got a video of the fake White House, too, that I'll show you coming up.
But, folks, this is so huge.
And I do anticipate Caroline Levitt will get this answer.
I don't think this is like a Korean Jean-Pierre lying and obfuscating situation.
She didn't have the answer today.
I want to play what happened, though.
But understand, this does not happen if it's not for this administration's new initiative to bring in independent journalists and new organizations.
So, this is friend of the show.
She's been interviewed on the show quite a handful of times.
Kara Castanova.
She is working with Lindell TV. They have White House Press Access.
So Kara was in the press room, got to ask a question of Caroline Levitt, but understand, this question would have never been asked, ever, by the legacy media.
Never.
Not ever.
So this is so important now.
This is why it was so important to get independent media in there.
This is why it was so important to have a media shakeout in the White House press room.
So that you can have real questions and real issues that the American people want to hear about, not just propaganda, not just BS, but real questions looking for answers.
I don't anticipate this will be the last time the White House has asked this question, and I don't anticipate this will be the only time Caroline doesn't have an answer.
We'll find out, but this exchange right here, even though it doesn't give us much, is important and historical just to witness it that this was even asked.
Go ahead.
karoline leavitt
Sure, good to see you.
unidentified
Press Secretary, many are concerned about the validity of President Biden's official actions and also his pardons of the possible criminal actions of individuals such as his family members and Liz Cheney as information is emerging that many of his official actions were auto-signed, possibly even the pardons and without his knowledge or consent. many are concerned about the validity of President Biden's official Does the White House have any information available currently that Biden was actually the one that approved and signed those pardons?
And second question, will the DOJ investigate whether President Biden's cognitive decline allowed unelected staff to push through radical policy and pardons without his known approval?
karoline leavitt
I don't know the answer to that question, but I can check in with our folks here who may know the answer to that question and get back to you.
owen shroyer
Now, I think- Press Secretary Leavitt means that.
I don't think it will be the last time that question is asked.
But that exchange never happens.
We'll see what comes of it.
But that exchange never happens if it's not for the new White House press access.
So just the fact that exchange happened is huge.
That is just amazing.
It will be asked and answered.
Very confident it will be asked again, and I think it will also be answered.
Now, they might not have a concrete...
Yes, we know this happened, but they might be able to say, well, we're investigating it, or we're looking at this, or we can confirm it was not his signature on this document, but that...
We have a real press corps in the White House now.
So, that exchange was important.
Now, by the way...
This happened.
I don't even know if it's worth playing the other Levitt clip anymore because it's already kind of come and gone here.
Well, let's kind of set it up.
unidentified
Here was Levitt earlier talking about Canada threatening to shut off the electricity because of this new tariff war in clip 10. Conversations between the administration and the Canadians going on over this tariff because the Ontario Premier says the next step is to cut off electricity to the US. And the president put out a statement after seeing those comments and said that it would be,
karoline leavitt
there would be grave consequences imposed on Canada if they think about shutting off electricity for the United States of America and our citizens.
And the president is also determined to ensure that we are depending on American electricity, not the...
unidentified
So let's put this into perspective.
owen shroyer
Does Michigan get electricity from Canada?
Yes.
How much?
Less than half a percent.
Big guy.
Ontario Premier Doug Ford.
unidentified
Big guy.
Well, big tough guy.
owen shroyer
Canada backs down from 25% electricity surcharge after Trump threats.
unidentified
Nice.
Yes.
owen shroyer
Meanwhile, if there's any good news for the stock market, which has been going down pretty bigly, pretty badly, Jim Cramer is now predicting a stock market collapse.
Probably the best news for the stock market we've had recently.
That guy touches goes the opposite way.
And, I mean, it's like you've got two means of success as a stock trader.
One, you can just make the same trades or buys that Nancy Pelosi makes.
You're guaranteed profit because whatever insider trading information she has and engages in.
Or two, whatever advice Jim Cramer gives, just do the opposite.
And that's got a very nice success rate, too.
I'm not giving financial advice, but I do know that is the case.
Meanwhile, let me get into this Doge news.
First, here's Elon Musk saying, yep, we can now confirm we will find a trillion dollars in waste, fraud, and abuse, clip six.
elon musk
I'm just here trying to make government more efficient, eliminate waste and fraud, and so far we're making good progress, actually.
Savings at this point exceed $4 billion a day.
So it's very significant.
unidentified
You think you'll wind up getting to a trillion dollars?
elon musk
Yeah.
unidentified
Of savings?
elon musk
I mean, unless we're stopped, we will get to a trillion dollars of savings.
unidentified
And that stuff can be translated.
I mean, we've been talking, we had Russell Vogt, the OMB director on earlier, through very rescission authority, empowerment authority.
I believe you said it earlier.
It's an audit that will not gather dust on shelves.
This is actually going to wind up with real savings.
Bend the spending baseline down.
elon musk
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Now, here's some of the other Doge news.
And just cleaning up the waste, fraud, and abuse.
Downsizing the government.
Nearly half of Department of Education staff will be eliminated immediately.
Department of Education staff told offices will be closed tomorrow.
As Trump's plan to dismantle and shut down the agency starts to gain steam.
Then you have the Doge credit card update.
Pilot program with 16 agencies to audit unused, unneeded credit cards.
After three weeks, more than 200,000 credit cards have been deactivated.
As a reminder, at the start of the audit, there were 4.6 million active cards and accounts.
And even though they have gotten rid of over 200,000, There are still more active credit cards than there are active employees.
So the good work Doge is doing there continues.
Lee Zeldin announces he's canceling over 400 DEI and environmental justice grants across nine grant programs, totaling $1.7 billion, bringing the EPA's total savings over $2 billion.
The fourth round of EPA and Doge cuts was our biggest yet.
More to come.
Then there's the judge that is trying to stop Doge.
Federal judge ruling Doge needs to be more transparent.
Couldn't be more transparent.
I mean, I don't know how it could be more transparent unless you had a spy camera or a camera on these guys 24-7, which they'd probably say, okay.
I don't think they would even fight that.
But no, who was the judge?
It was a partner at Covington and Burling, recently lost their security clearance.
The law firm was just stripped of its security clearances and government worked by Trump.
Judge Cooper's wedding, that's the judge, his wedding was officiated by Merrick Garland.
And Judge Cooper's wife worked for Eric Holder.
Wow, the swamp runs deep.
I'm telling you, it's just, it's insane.
These people are like incestuous.
Judge orders urgent release of Doge records.
Citing unprecedented power and unusual secrecy.
There's no secrecy.
And they're the ones limiting power.
It's the complete opposite with this corrupt judge.
So these are just Democrats on the bench.
These are fake judges.
Democrat activists.
Probably criminals.
Probably getting paid off themselves.
And they're just trying to stop does from exposing their criminal activity and their kickbacks.
That's what's going on.
Couldn't be more obvious when you see these incestuous political relationships, and it's always the same people.
VA Secretary Doug Collins, we have saved roughly $900 million, and we've only reviewed 2% of the contracts, almost a billion dollars, 2% of the way through the review.
Here he is talking about that clip eight.
unidentified
Hey everybody, it's Doug.
I've always promised you I was going to shoot straight with you, and you're going to always hear it from me.
Well, I've got a bit longer message for you today, so just bear with me, because you'll want to hear what I'm going to say.
The VA has been a punching bag among veterans, Congress, and the media for decades.
Things need to change.
We owe America's veterans and the hundreds and thousands of excellent VA employees solutions.
For many years, veterans have been asking for a more efficient, accountable, and transparent VA. This administration is finally going to give the veterans what they want.
President Trump has a mandate for generational change in Washington, and that's exactly what we're going to deliver at the VA. We're going to make the department work better for the veterans, families, caregivers and survivors we are charged with serving.
And here's how we're going to do it.
In response to President Trump's Department of Government Efficiency and Workforce Optimization initiative, VA is conducting a department-wide review of its organization, operations and structure.
Central to these efforts is a pragmatic and disciplined approach to eliminating waste and bureaucracy, increasing efficiency, and improving health care.
owen shroyer
Let me just cut this off for the sake of time.
2% of contracts reviewed, $900 million in savings.
Good Lord.
Good Lord.
This is stuff so long overdue.
I'm telling you right now, the best work I've ever seen ever is Doge.
I mean, it's like A+++++++. Plus, this stuff is so long overdue.
It's exposing the waste, fraud, and abuse.
It's going to expose all the crime, the stolen money, the kickbacks, and they are just panicked, folks.
They are panicked.
And, you know, maybe just for a second to kind of open my mind to everything going on with this Massey-Trump thing.
Trump probably should just make a call to Massey, but at this point, they're probably...
They probably can't even make a call without being spied on, and they know it.
I almost hesitate to say this, but I mean, I think what might be going on is they want to pass this bill, whether it's good or not, just forget about it for a second.
They want to pass this bill and keep the government open because they're afraid if they shut it down, Doge won't be able to expose all the criminal activity.
And so they just got to get this bill passed to keep the operation going and expose all the crimes.
But there's no way for Trump to properly communicate that with Massey because everything he does is spied on and he doesn't want to tip off the criminals that are covering up all their crimes right now.
So, I mean, maybe I'm reaching there, but I'm just trying to make sense of it.
But let's move on now.
Again, Trump earlier says he will label violence against Tesla dealers' domestic terrorism.
Well, that's it.
It's the Democrat Party.
It's the largest domestic terror group in the history of this country.
It's a hate group.
Here's Josh Howley saying how they're going to investigate the dark money groups funding these protests.
unidentified
Clip 9. And I guess that's why they don't really care about the climate.
jesse watters
It was never about lowering the Earth's temperature.
Because if you really cared that much, you wouldn't burn an electric car, Senator.
What about the terror financing angle to hit them with?
I mean, if you're giving money to a group that ends up using it to...
Foment violence against people.
Why can't you go after Soros if he's funding these attacks?
josh hawley
Oh, we absolutely should.
We should absolutely follow the money, and it ought to be traced all the way back to its source.
And this is why I say, Jesse, the left has gotten by with this.
For years, this is a great project for the Department of Justice, and they ought to look at all of it.
Who's funding visa tax?
Who's funding the campus protests?
Which, by the way, all of these campus protests, they're all organized, they're coordinated, they're funded.
We ought to blow the lid off of that as well.
Who was funding the protests in front of the justices' homes, which nearly led to justices being assassinated, Supreme Court justices I'm talking about.
The left's been funding all of this stuff.
They ought to be accountable for all of it.
I love the fact that...
Cash Patel and Pam Bondi are all about transparency.
Let's get some transparency on this dark money that is literally dangerous for the American people.
owen shroyer
Well, we know the sources, and it is Soros, ActBlue, and their piggy bank is USAID. House Republicans demand data about Dem fundraiser ActBlue amid accusations of fraud.
Keep in mind, this is something long overdue as well.
You have these undercover groups, Project Veritas, O'Keefe Media Group, and they expose all of these bureaucrats and others, basically admitting to, at the very least, unethical things, but potentially just outright criminal activity, and then you never get any follow-up.
Well, this is one where you should get follow-up.
The fraud that they have exposed at ActBlue is unreal.
So where is this money coming from?
Seriously.
unidentified
Is it the secret social security payments?
owen shroyer
Is it other USAID programs?
Is it Medicare, Medicaid fraud?
I mean, folks, they show up at these people's homes and they're like, you know, according to the records, you've donated tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars to these organizations.
And these people are like, I've never even heard of this.
I don't even know what this is.
So where is the money coming from?
It's about damn time you investigated this.
It's a huge scandal.
But it all comes down to results.
It all comes down to results at the end of the day.
Boy, oh boy.
Aren't liberals stupid, folks?
I mean, they are as dumb as it gets.
Listen to Jasmine Crockett.
The only one dumber is Maisie Hirono, but she is really making a play for the dumbest of all time.
Listen to this in clip three.
unidentified
It is not a criminal violation to enter the country illegally.
It's not a criminal.
It's a crime.
It's not a crime, which is why they're so frustrated because they really want our local law enforcement to go out and round up people when they could be looking out for the murderers and the sexual abusers as well as the robbers.
They want them to go and round people up.
On civil accusations.
owen shroyer
So it's not a crime to enter the country illegally.
It literally is.
That's Jasmine Crockett.
Then you have history illiterate MSNBC host saying this in clip 12. The person who's watching who just heard you say Donald Trump is not standing up for Ukraine.
unidentified
What do you say to the person who says, well, I don't care about Ukraine.
I want Donald Trump to stand up for America.
owen shroyer
What do you say to them?
unidentified
I don't know where you got that.
I mean, I don't have time for it.
Yes, but we hear it.
owen shroyer
Here's the thing.
josh hawley
Where did you grow up?
Did you grow up in a place where you thought the Russians were the good guys?
unidentified
What part of America did you grow up in where they taught you the Russians were the good guys and our allies were the bad guys?
That's the flip here, that we need to continue to remind people.
owen shroyer
The Russians are the bad guys.
josh hawley
They're raping women.
unidentified
They're killing children.
They're bombing cities.
josh hawley
The Ukrainians are the noble good guys.
unidentified
In some ways, they're more American than we are over the last couple of years.
And we must stand with them in the same way we stood with the allies in World War II and since this country was founded.
This is not just about Ukraine.
This is about the core and the integrity of American values.
And that's what he's also betraying.
owen shroyer
Not just Ukraine.
He's betraying Russia were the allies.
And it was Russia that suffered the most losses and actually defeated the Nazis.
But, you know, historically illiterate MSNBC hosts and legally illiterate Democrats.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, I want to go out with this today.
This is from the governor's office.
The senseless murder of our reporter, Jamie White.
It's picking up national interest in good.
It should.
It's also interesting that the, speaking of Ukraine, He was on a Ukraine hit list, a disgusting act to put Americans and journalists on a Ukraine hit list for daring to cover Victoria Nuland or the deep state involvement in Ukraine.
The great reporter Jamie White, they did that to.
Disgusting people did that to him.
Now, this doesn't appear to have anything to do with that.
It looks like a senseless robbery gone wrong.
The press secretary for Governor Greg Abbott, Andrew Mahalaris, just released this statement.
This senseless murder is a tragedy and Governor Abbott and First Lady Abbott pray for his family and loved ones during this difficult time.
Texas is a law and order state and criminals must know that justice is awaiting them.
Activist judges and district attorneys like Jose Garza have too much discretion to let repeat offenders out on bail only to see them harm more Texans, which is why Governor Abbott declared bail reform an emergency item.
This session...
Governor Abbott will work with the Texas legislature to pass a constitutional amendment to require judges to deny bail for those charged with capital murder and other heinous violent crimes.
Now imagine that you even have to do that.
But this is how bad it is in Austin, Texas, ladies and gentlemen.
And I mentioned this earlier.
The very intersection where our reporter Jamie White was shot had nine homicides.
Nine.
It's just a small quarter mile at that intersection.
Nine homicides.
And when I went out there earlier today to speak to some of the local business owners and see how many cameras were in that area, one of the business owners I spoke to said they were there and while the cops were investigating the crime scene and the murder scene, Another shooting happened.
A drive-by shooting happened on Old Torf.
Multiple rounds of gunfire between two cars driving up and down Old Torf around four in the morning.
So while they were investigating a murder, a homicide, at the apartment complex, another drive-by shooting happened.
This city is out of control.
And it's all because of Democrats and liberal progressives.
Folks, for the love of God.
How many people have to die because of Democrat progressive policies?
It hits different now.
I have to be honest.
I'm not just covering news, talking about Lakin Riley or Jocelyn Nungary or a little boy or a little girl that gets shot in a drive-by shooting in Chicago.
It hits different now.
It was a friend.
It was a family of Infowars.
It's not just covering stories anymore.
It's personal now.
Please, for the love of God, don't let Democrats anywhere near your city council.
Your mayor's office, your governor's office, your judges' benches, your prosecuting attorneys.
They are literally deadly for your city.
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