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And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there Oh, O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
tim enlow
And the home of the brave?
They're all running away as if it's something to be ashamed of.
And what I want to state is this.
Yes, a few people did some bad things on January 6th.
But the majority of Americans that came there and expressed their First Amendment rights did so peacefully throughout the event, even after the breach occurred.
The majority, 95%, 98% of that crowd never went inside that Capitol.
And yet, we are being told That January 6th is something to be ashamed of.
We have the leaders in this country who are running away from that day and trying to disassociate themselves from any involvement with that day when the opposite should be true.
We should be proud that Americans came from all over the United States to express their First Amendment rights peacefully and to stand up against the election fraud that we know that occurred.
alex jones
Nineteen days ago, on January 6, 2021, we were told by the Democratic Party, by the mainstream media, that the greatest assault of U.S. history happened, that it was as big as Pearl Harbor.
They've now likened it to World War II and the Nazis.
Well, it just so happens, I was there.
And you've seen the mainstream media, hundreds of publications, front lines, CNN, say that I led the assault, that I wanted to go there and destroy Trump's chances of having a 10-day investigation about the Senate that Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley and other senators were about to launch.
No, it's the last thing I would want.
But now, Starting on February 8th, they're going to have the actual trial in the Senate of President Trump.
They talk about how he was basically convicted last time.
No, that was the indictment in the House.
And then the Senate acquitted Trump.
Seems like a million years ago, but it was only a year ago.
Then they had brought forward new impeachment, saying he incited the mob to do this on purpose.
And they're claiming that he directed it.
That impeachment passed the indictment.
Now they're having the trial in the U.S. Senate.
So imagine, I'm one of the main organizers of the big stages and the secret services there and metal detectors and porta-potties, just like other big events we've put on.
Fighting election fraud previously in the months that preceded what happened on January 6th.
So I was talking to my head of security, Tim Enloe, he's a great guy, a veteran patriot, about what really transpired and how the media was lying about the timeline.
So I thought we'd put together as best we can.
This isn't exact, but it's close, of what really happened because there's a trial of the former president of the United States coming up in mid-February saying he directed this even though they now admit, we'll show you some articles, That, okay, it wasn't his speech inside of this.
owen shroyer
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Ladies and gentlemen, fellow comrades.
Oh, man.
owen shroyer
It is Tuesday, January 26, 2021.
This is the InfoWars War Room, brought to you by InfoWarsStore.com, streaming live at Band.Video, TheResistance.Video, Can'tCensorTruth.com, and WarRoomIsRaw.com.
I'm your host, Owen Schroer, with you for the first hour today.
I hosted the Alex Jones Show today, so I'm going to be doing short duty in the first hour.
Tom Pappert will be taking over in the second hour.
He's got great guests coming up with exclusive news coverage as well.
But to start the War Room today, we have a guest with us who we are very familiar with
in this audience and has really become very familiar to anybody involved in politics in the month of January
2021 that would be John Sullivan.
Now, Mr. Sullivan is currently involved in litigation and a legal fight with court dates coming up
revolving around what happened on January 6th.
This audience is not ignorant to the videos.
We've played them many times.
So we know what was said. We know what was happened.
So in avoidance of...
Setting up Mr. Sullivan to incriminate himself on air.
I'm not going to be asking some of the questions I know you want me to ask.
And I'm not going to be asking some of the questions that should be asked.
But I assume will be asked in court.
Maybe he can address them in the media at a later date.
So, John, I'm not going to pose any questions to you today in avoiding you incriminating yourself on air.
And with the overall goal that I have of unity with the anti-establishment left and right coming together, I don't think that would be good.
Now having said that though, John, you were there on the 6th.
Everybody knows that. You're not denying that.
So I'll just ask you this at the outset.
What did you witness on January 6th and do you have any regrets from your activities that day?
john sullivan
I mean, what I witnessed on the 6th was, I guess, a moment in history that Maybe changed America for forever, for sure.
I would say I don't regret myself going there to document these events because one thing for you and everybody else to understand is the footage which I took gave everyone clarity on exactly who was there and what was transpiring.
That was my goal, to be able to bring that awareness and to Just have the truth be told, right?
That's the simplest thing for me is to allow, you know, people to view the footage and allow that truth to be out there because I knew that no matter what was going on, the media, other people will try to spin it into a narrative that was not true.
And that's just what I wanted to combat.
owen shroyer
So do you believe that the media has spun the events of January 6th into a false narrative?
And what would you say is the truth about January 6th?
john sullivan
I do believe they have spun it to an extent.
Well, for myself, obviously, you've seen a lot of me in the media and a lot of Probably a lot of false things, to be honest with you, just because people don't really know me for me.
The fact that they say I'm Antifa, which is totally false, the fact that they say I'm with Black Lives Matter, that's not true either.
I mean, I believe in black lives because I'm black myself, right?
But as far as what they're trying to spin it as, I mean, I think that nobody really knows exactly how things transpired the way that they did.
And what I mean by that is, like, nobody knows what is being said in these back channels that actually was, or who was actually planning these types of activities at the Capitol.
And none of that evidence has ever been shown as of yet.
So everything that has been said is all speculation based on people's preconceived notion on how that day played out.
owen shroyer
Who do you believe was responsible then?
Because, I mean, your videos show you were in the front lines when many of this was going on.
You were right there, including when Ashley Babbitt was shot.
So you said pre-planned.
Do you believe that there was pre-planning of this siege of the Capitol, if you want to call it that?
And who do you believe was pre-planning that or instigating that the day of?
john sullivan
All I can tell you is I saw a lot of chatter on Parler, on Telegram chats, all these underground communities that are kind of decentralized, anonymous, so you can't really tell who is doing what just by the mere fact is that that's what they want.
That's what they want to So obviously they don't incriminate themselves.
I can tell you that the people who are most visible are probably the people who are not responsible for what's going on.
And I believe that to be true in a lot of things.
No one is going to be there and put what they are doing on display and incriminate everybody who is with them, if that makes sense.
I know this just from take to example.
If you're going to Rob a bank.
I don't condone that, but I'm saying go watch a movie about people robbing a bank or breaking into a building.
They're putting a ski mask on, they're covering their identity.
The people who are out there, let's say filming this, the people who are out there with their faces unmasked.
I mean, I don't think those are the true actors.
I think the actors are the people that are not as easily identified.
owen shroyer
Well, let me translate that from my belief, and you can either correct this or confirm it.
I believe that there were anti-Trump people in there.
They could be labeled as Antifa or BLM. I really think it's irrelevant just to get to the brass facts here.
I believe it was an anti-Trump element that was sent in to cause the actual disturbances and violences that day that then ended up being used to frame Trump supporters and then have this whole notion that there was some sort of insurrection at the Capitol, which is just ridiculous.
But you didn't really provide any details.
Would you agree that these were anti-Trump people that were behind the scenes trying to stir the violence that day to frame Trump supporters?
john sullivan
For me, I cannot say. I didn't talk to anybody there other than Jade, who was with me.
The people that, or the chats that I did see, didn't identify if they were anti-Trump or pro-Trump.
All they identified is that These are the things that they're planning on January 6th.
Now, obviously, you could say that there are flyers that were out there saying, you know, storm all capitals.
I'm sure everybody has seen flyers like that and that have, you know, Trump's picture on it when it's like a patriotic thing.
But by no means do I think like that's the people who are planning.
I think that's just like the more of, you know, somebody who heard about it and said, oh, cool, like I'm going to make a flyer and put that out there.
I think the people who are like Really, truly doing this is something that I can't say either they're anti-Trump, pro-Trump, or anything in between.
All I know is that there were people coordinating that on a deeper level that none of us know about at this moment.
owen shroyer
Well, I would make that to mean that these are anti-Trump forces.
Trump forces wear their colors on their hat, on their sleeve, with a scarf.
But I'm curious then, would you say, do you support, did you support President Donald Trump?
john sullivan
I personally don't support Trump.
I didn't support Biden either.
So both of those candidates I didn't believe in giving my support to.
That's my personal beliefs and opinions.
That's not by any means why I was there at the Capitol on the 6th.
I was just there to document that moment going down.
So that being said, as far as Who I supported.
I didn't support either of those political candidates just because, for me, I believe the two-party system is meant to pit America against each other.
I believe that we are all American and that we all should want to fight for our freedoms and liberties regardless.
We should all want to be free.
We all should want to have equal rights.
On that standpoint, I don't care if you're a Trump supporter.
I don't care if you support Biden.
I mean, for me, it comes down to what type of person you are.
Are you somebody who has good morals, good intentions?
And if that's the case, then I vibe with you.
Then I can relate to you and, I guess, get to know you better.
So that being said, I don't have anything against people who are Trump supporters.
That doesn't mean anything to me.
owen shroyer
Do you trust U.S. elections, or do you think Trump supporters are right to believe it was stolen from them?
john sullivan
That's a very good question.
I don't trust U.S. elections.
I don't think my vote counts, if that makes sense.
I've always said that, and people who know me know that I believe, you know, if I were to vote, let's say, for Trump...
owen shroyer
All right, let's pick it up there on the other side.
We'll be right back. We're back here on the InfoWars War Room, brought to you by InfoWarsStore.com.
John Sullivan is with me.
Many people may know him as Jaden X. That's the watermark on his videos that went incredibly viral from January 6th.
I want to continue where we left off and let's just focus on the issue of voter integrity.
You know, that was the entire reason why you had a million and a half Trump supporters in D.C. as they believe our election was stolen.
I believe that as well.
John, you confirmed you don't trust U.S. elections, but you also said in the last segment, I asked you if you were a Trump supporter, you said you don't support Trump or Biden.
So when it comes to U.S. elections, just pick up where you left off.
When it comes to U.S. elections, do you trust them and do you support the Democrat Party or the Biden presidency?
john sullivan
Yeah, I don't trust them in the fact that I don't think my vote counts.
If I were to cast my ballot, I don't think that it's going to count towards whatever political candidate I choose.
That being said, I don't pick the right or the left party to believe in.
I'm very neutral in the stance, I guess, whatever party or political candidate that I have the best viewpoints with.
I will side with.
So I don't think for me it's very, you know, Democrat or Republican.
I'm very one-sided.
No, I just vote for the candidate that best, you know, fits my beliefs and has the vision of, you know, what's best for the country.
owen shroyer
Do you believe the narratives that the media told us about Donald Trump?
john sullivan
Do I believe the narratives?
I don't believe all the narratives.
No, I don't. And I can't believe all the I've never experienced or spoken to this man in my life.
So for a lot of the false or negative narratives that I've kind of maybe seen out there, I I tend to just not believe anything unless I've actually done that research myself and dug deeper into those certain subjects.
So I think really for anybody who is like just taking you know what the media has put out there for face value is ignorant and they needed to go and research whatever topic they're talking on and hopefully gain some more insight.
owen shroyer
What are your thoughts and opinions on Joe Biden and or Kamala Harris?
john sullivan
What are my thoughts? Yeah, I mean, for me, I think when I heard that Biden has, like, Alzheimer's, if I'm correct in that, I don't know if that's a lie or the truth, because, I mean, I don't have his medical records, but I think, you know, that in itself was interesting.
I do think it's interesting that there's a lot of, when I saw a lot of Trump rallies starting to pop up across the nation, right, I saw the support that he was getting.
But I didn't see, like, really any of the support that Biden was getting.
I see no rallies for Biden.
Now, if you're going to say, like, Black Lives Matter or whatever you guys want to say in KIFA, that's fine.
But I think that's ignorant in itself to say, well, you should name the specific organizations.
But that being said, you know...
You don't see Biden rallies with Biden 2020 flags popping up all over the US. You see a lot of Trump rallies and Trump 2020 rallies.
So that does speak for itself.
That does speak for something that people are willing to go out and advocate for something that they believe in.
So I guess what I'm saying is that I think that there's definitely something that is Kind of fishy to say that, you know, Biden got all of these votes when Trump, you know, had all of these people out there protesting.
owen shroyer
Well, let me just ask you point blank then because I want to move on.
Let me just ask you point blank. Do you believe Joe Biden won the 2020 election?
john sullivan
That's a great question. I believe that he won in the sense that that's what came through the system, right?
That came through the ballot machines.
That's what counted. They went through the voting process to determine that that was the case.
Do I think that there could have been some sort of miscount in rigging?
Yeah, I do. Like I said, I don't believe my vote counts.
So that being said, it could be all false.
owen shroyer
Very interesting. What do you think about internet censorship?
You know, you've taken advantage of the platforms on the internet to do your documentary reporting.
We here at Infowars have been completely banned.
What is your take on internet censorship?
Do you believe it's one way?
john sullivan
I guess if you're saying one way geared towards the right and doesn't happen to the left or anybody else in between, I mean, that's not true at all.
Because I mean, my accounts have been completely shut down.
Completely, I mean, nuked off the face of the planet like six, eight times.
Like the Twitter account that you saw that I had, Jaden X, that was, you know, my fourth account.
And Facebook, I was banned to the point on Facebook where even if I use a VPN and it was pinging my IP address out of China, I still couldn't create a new account.
I could have a new phone number, a new email, a new name, use a different computer or phone.
I actually bought another phone just to see if I could log into Facebook.
Still didn't work. So that being said, I believe it's so real.
And we all should be scared about that for sure.
owen shroyer
Yes, this is one of the things I believe we can link the anti-establishment left and right up.
We'll get into where you maybe fall on the map in a minute.
Let me ask you this question.
Just from a general perspective, would you say that you love America?
john sullivan
Are you a proud American? I love America, but if you're going to say that I'm proud of what America is facing currently as far as the division that we're seeing and not the unification of our people, I'm not proud in that.
I'm sad that that's actually occurring and we need to fix that because it could destroy our country for sure.
owen shroyer
Who would you point the blame to for the division in America?
john sullivan
I pointed to our political leaders for sure.
They have the utmost responsibility to kind of unite the country and keep what Our founding fathers had intact, and they are pulling that apart.
And so it's kind of sad to see that they want to shift the blame to anybody but themselves.
I mean, if you're a leader of a business or owner of a business, who is responsible, right?
You are. You have the vision.
You're the one leading that company and making it successful or unsuccessful.
So vice versa, the same thing goes for our nation's leaders.
We have to hold them accountable and make sure that they're doing what they say they are supposed to do, what we voted them into office to do.
And I mean, I guess in some people's case, they say that they didn't vote them into office.
Well, that's an issue as well.
We have to hold every single person accountable for leading our nation into this, I guess, point of darkness.
owen shroyer
One of the major divisions that we're seeing perpetuated in these halls of politics and media, quite frankly, is the division between races, skin color.
Do you believe America is inherently racist?
john sullivan
If you're talking about where it originated from, I guess, yeah.
I mean, there was slavery for sure of African American people.
Do I think everybody in America is racist?
I don't think that, not at all, not by any means.
Like I said, it comes down to that individual, but I do think there are people who are racist, and I do think that there is racism.
owen shroyer
Sure, but let me ask you this with the last 30 seconds.
Do you believe that racism in America is one of the biggest issues we're facing?
john sullivan
It's not the biggest issue, but it is an issue.
owen shroyer
Okay. Very interesting.
When we come back on the other side, I'm going to ask Jonathan, who he really does associate with, or if he's just truly independent, we'll ask that.
There's obviously a lot of assumptions being made and a lot of reporting being made, but we'll let Jonathan set the record straight on the other side of this break.
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Jonathan Sullivan is with us, also known as Jaden X, from his coverage of events.
Like January 6th, which I think probably got him more notoriety than any of his previous events.
I want to be clear about something.
I know there's people probably listening upset that we even gave John a platform for what they think was perhaps his involvement in January 6th.
I'm not going to go there with questions I know you want me to ask because I respect the legal process.
I've been through it before and I'm not going to put John in a position to incriminate himself on air.
Perhaps in a later day he'll either have to answer those questions to a judge or perhaps maybe to the media.
But that's not going to be the goal here today.
I do want to set the record straight on some things that we've already asked, but moving forward, you know, your brother has been on with us before.
He was on the Alex Jones Show.
I did present the platform for both of you to come on.
You two don't exactly get along.
I didn't want this to turn into a vitriolic squabble on air, so we avoided that at least for today, maybe in the future, because my goal here is unity.
And I want to get the anti-establishment left unified with the anti-establishment left to defeat the New World Order because I'd rather do that than fight with the anti-establishment left and then lose to the New World Order.
But, you know, there's been a lot said about you.
There's been a lot assumed about you.
So I'm just going to name a couple groups and you tell me, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, or the Democrat Party.
Do you have any association or would you claim any affiliation with those groups?
john sullivan
No, I don't have any affiliation with those groups at all.
owen shroyer
You've never been involved in any leadership of any of those groups or in communication to organize with any of those groups?
john sullivan
Not at all. I have my own group, Insurgents USA, but that's my company that I built for documenting these events.
So that's what I run a lot of that through.
So as far as all these groups that are out there, Antifa, BLM, I mean, tell me on this.
Who is a part of Antifa?
Can you name me somebody?
owen shroyer
Well, no, actually, I would say the only people that I would say are the ones that are acting like Antifa doesn't exist, like Jerry Nadler, Nancy Pelosi, and others.
I mean, that's just ludicrous.
They just attacked a Democrat headquarters again, and they blamed Republicans.
But yeah, Antifa pretty much keeps their names clean.
They hide their faces, so there really is no way to identify an Antifa leader, except when they get arrested.
john sullivan
Interesting. Interesting that you say that because, I mean, a part of documenting these situations that go down, I'm able to get into both of these groups and understand, you know, what they are and who they are, what they stand for, and who the leaders are and what's really going on.
So, for me, To tell you that Antifa is a group, I think that's a general term that you're using for these specific groups that are out there causing the violence and the disruption in the communities that you're seeking to protect.
So if that's being said, I think a lot of misinformation is being put out there that Antifa is just a general term.
It's like if you're going to take Let's just give the civil rights movement, for example.
Would you call the Black Panthers the Nation of Islam?
Would you do that? You wouldn't.
So this is what I'm saying.
You have to look at what really is going on and find out which groups are specifically doing this.
And that will give you more clarity and more transparency on how to maybe prevent stuff like that from going on and to be aware of what could or couldn't happen.
owen shroyer
Does that make sense? Well, I would just say based on your activity, I think it's an assumption people make and quite frankly a fair assumption that you would be aligned with Black Lives Matter or Antifa.
You're saying you're not, but yet you have some access to their communications, if you will.
So, I mean, do you believe, though?
I mean, what do you believe their cause really is based on what you've seen from the inside perspective?
What do you think Antifa's cause really is?
Or what do you think Black Lives Matter cause really is?
Because we can only see what's on the surface.
That's the violence and destruction they cause.
john sullivan
Well, to tell you, I'm writing a book on it in and of itself, and a book on not only that, but, you know, a book on the right as well.
So both of them go hand in hand.
Both go into the kind of research and investigation that I have been doing over these last couple of months.
And I would tell you exactly, you know, Antifa is very anti-government, for sure.
They're anti-controlled.
Most of them are anarchists or communists.
And that being said, I was shocked.
A lot of that came from when I visited Portland, right?
So when I visited Portland and I was able to get into these communities to seek a greater understanding of who are they, what they are about.
None of the groups are called Antifa.
They have specific names.
I don't know if I'm going to specifically blast them here on live television, but what I will say is that, you know, Those are the groups that when you see them smashing stores and windows and looting stuff in their city, those are the groups that are doing it.
It's not called Antifa, and that's why you can't find it because you're probably just Googling Antifa trying to figure out what these groups are.
No, you're not going to find it that way.
But I went out there and I saw and spoke to a lot of these people, and they are specifically people who are anti-government, decentralization, And, you know, also just communists, socialists, Marxists, and everything in between.
owen shroyer
And are they organizing and causing any violence by your understanding?
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Oh yeah, like I said, those are the specific groups that are out there.
john sullivan
Yes, they're the ones that are out there at the Justice Center where you see in that video right there.
That's exactly those groups, and that's exactly what they're causing.
Me, myself right now, I've been doxed by them.
You think that the right is the only people that are coming after me strong?
No, no, no, no. I've been getting doxed by, let's say, Antifa for...
For so many months, they had all of my accounts on their underground channels.
I mean, my emails, my phone number, my address, my license plate, all of my social media accounts.
They had it on a list and put it out in this group that had like a half a million people following it.
And obviously, that's not going to go unnoticed.
And so, I mean, if you're thinking that I'm being targeted by, you know, Just one group.
No, I'm getting it from both sides.
owen shroyer
Well, it sounds like you're doing the work that the FBI should be doing, so that's kind of ironic in a way.
There's a lot of talk going on.
Obviously, you and your brother have different political beliefs.
At least that's the presentation being made.
But there's a, let's say, rumor, for lack of a better term, that you and your brother are playing both sides of the aisle.
Perhaps don't really have any political values at all.
Would you like to address those discussions today?
john sullivan
Sure, I can address that for sure.
Because there's a lot of clarification that needs to come up about what I guess my brother wants to insert himself in.
If you were going to say, my brother never even...
Nobody was really aware of my brother until I shot that video at the Capitol.
He didn't have any sort of meaning as far as what he was doing in this situation.
He inserted himself only to spread whatever false narrative that he wants to put out to the world to get some sort of attention.
I don't care Or associate with my brother.
I know it's kind of harsh to say, but you're like someone who's your brother.
There's a lot of backstory that doesn't have anything to do with politics at all.
And if you're going to call me a political person, I mean, I'm just out there trying to document these events and expose to you exactly what's going on.
He's forcing that politics upon me.
I guess you guys think that I'm very political and whatever agenda I have is political.
None of that is... True at all.
So what I'm trying to tell you is that he comes into play and starts spreading these lies and false narratives because he wants this attention.
I don't condone that, nor will I give him that attention.
So that being said, that's kind of how I view that entire situation.
owen shroyer
Well, I think it's going to be a difficult challenge to bring the anti-establishment organic left and right together.
Maybe an impossible task.
Maybe not. We're going to try it.
And, you know, maybe in some way, shape, or form, maybe it's not as representative as I thought or as being presented.
You know, you and your brother coming on air kind of mending your political differences, but it goes beyond that is what you're saying.
So perhaps it's irrelevant.
Anyway, we've got one more segment with Jonathan Sullivan coming up.
A couple more questions for him.
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You're just seeing more footage from January 6th.
Much of the historic footage was shot by our guest, John Sullivan.
A couple more questions that I have for John.
John, has anyone ever pressured or coerced you into covering certain events or saying anything on air?
john sullivan
Oh, never, never.
No, I pretty freely speak and I wouldn't feel comfortable being in that situation, nor would I condone that situation either.
owen shroyer
John, I came to you because you've become quite a controversial figure here this month.
And surface value, you do come across as an anti-establishment leftist.
You're saying you're more of a centrist.
I would claim the same to myself.
We probably see eye to eye on a lot of things.
But my goal here, why I wanted to bring you on and give you the chance to speak...
It's because I really want unity.
I said it in the last segment, I would rather find common ground with the anti-establishment left to defeat the New World Order than fight with the anti-establishment left and be defeated by the New World Order.
Do you believe it's possible for unity between the grassroots anti-establishment left and right to find unity?
And is this something that you're interested in?
john sullivan
Yeah, I think we're quite aligned on our opinion on that for sure.
I think that unity is possible.
But I think the main thing is you have to find common ground to fight on.
So that's going to be most important because both parties would have to have something that is so strong I guess a bond that they need to exactly take up, I guess, arms or take up, you know, resistance against, I guess, the establishment that's trying to, you know, take away our freedoms.
And that hasn't been done yet.
I thought that for me when I was like documenting these events and seeing you know the left yell at the police and start really being violent towards them and then the right was doing the same as well you know I was like okay maybe this is something that you know they might find some common ground and might unite over but it seems like that a lot of ulterior motives are Coming in and inserting themselves again to cause a different rift, a bigger rift and a bigger division.
You could say the Capitol was one of those instances where it just was able to spark so much anger on both sides that it caused even more of a division.
owen shroyer
Well, John, you've answered a lot of questions that I'm sure people are going to be back-checking you on, people who know you better than I, who follow your work better than I. But, you know, I'll just say this.
And I do believe, but this will be up for people to decide for themselves, but there will be claims made or beliefs that you're disingenuous in your statement earlier saying that you only go to these events to document it.
I think there's evidence to point to that as well.
So, what plans do you have to straighten the record out?
I mean, how do you get people to trust that you really are an organic, anti-establishment actor, that you're not being coerced, and you didn't have any ulterior motives on January 6th or other events you attend?
john sullivan
I think you can look at my history.
Look past this year.
Look past what I've done and what I stood for.
I mean, it's not something that you...
I don't think you can instantly switch to this...
Anti-establishment, terrorist, communist leader.
I mean, people are calling me Marxist.
And I was like, I didn't even know what Marxism was until I just read a book like two months ago on exactly what that entailed.
So, I mean, how can I be something that I have no, I guess, ability to understand exactly how to act and how to behave?
So, that being said, I mean, all of these things are completely Perceptions based on what you have seen in the short time that you have seen me.
If you're watching a 30-second clip online, I mean, do you know everything that goes behind that?
Do you know all the entire story that went behind that and to the reason why I was, you know, in that 30-second clip saying the things that I said?
That gives you more context.
Then I feel like maybe you could speak on it.
owen shroyer
Maybe you could make a judgment. Well, there's going to be a lot of people that are going to be analyzing not only your past and future works, but also what happens to you in court.
And quite frankly, there's a lot of Trump supporters, and I'm sure members of this audience, that would say you're very much responsible for what took place on January 6th.
Would you like to respond to that?
john sullivan
I can respond to that. I can respond to that.
I am definitely not responsible for anything that took place that day.
I can tell you that the people that are responsible, they're not even caught.
They're not caught at all.
You don't know of them. You haven't seen their face.
You haven't even heard, you know, what groups they're from.
Exactly why you're asking me prior, you know, do you know these groups that are out there?
Do you know, you know, the people that might be out there So then why do you believe or what do you think is going on then when we've seen hundreds of Trump supporters who were at the Capitol that day be arrested?
owen shroyer
None of them did any damage to property.
They were just in the building. Yourself has been arrested and released, but you're claiming to know individuals that should be held responsible for those events.
You may even know their identities.
Why do you suppose they are not being pursued by law enforcement?
john sullivan
I wouldn't claim that I know their identities, but I know like maybe aliases or things online that, you know, where their messages come from.
But I would say that, you know, the very reason that nobody knew the Capitol was going to be stormed that day.
Tell me about all the law enforcement, FBI officials, Secret Service, military, I guess, members that knew that that was going to happen and they were there to show up.
So if they didn't even know that, how do they know who was coordinating the attack?
Think about that one. Like, I think that many people can actually tell, say to themselves that, you know, the mass majority of people didn't know that was going to go down.
And very few people did.
And those people are the ones who were really watching and have been following the narrative from day one.
Did you know that was going to happen yourself?
Did you know any of the people who were organizing it or any organizations?
owen shroyer
No, quite frankly, the first question I asked you, which is, do you regret any of your activity from that day, which I think you kind of balked at, probably a smart move.
If I had thought that that was going to happen, I would have completely changed my approach to that day.
Would you say the same thing?
john sullivan
If I knew, I mean, I took the best approach for myself on how I approached that date, so that way I could show What I was trying to get.
As far as documenting and filming those events, I took my approach that I needed to do.
And I don't know, were you there at the Capitol?
owen shroyer
I was not inside the Capitol, no.
I was in D.C. that day.
I was sitting in the front row during Trump's speech.
But John, I mean, I have to hold you to some account here.
I mean, we've seen the videos.
I mean, we know what you said that day.
We don't have to repeat them here.
So, I mean, for you to say you have no regrets and for you to say you have no responsibility, I think that people are going to say you're being dishonest about that.
john sullivan
I mean, that's what they would say.
I mean, they don't really know any of the backstory, and hopefully they have a greater understanding when I'm able to articulate in a lot more detail on many of the things.
owen shroyer
But this isn't about backstory. This is about the events of that day.
Sure. And, I mean, again, your words, I'm not pressuring you here, but, I mean, you said you have no regrets or no remorse, so, I mean, that's what is going to stand on the record with other quotes that you made from that day, and so you're comfortable with that.
john sullivan
I'm totally comfortable with that, and I say that because I stand by my actions and what I do, and I also am very cognizant of being held responsible for whatever actions I did take, and I will accept those, but I will not accept consequences from actions I did not take.
owen shroyer
Does that make sense? Yes, and Jonathan, I've given you the platform here today to set the record straight for the audience.
People are going to still assume things about you, and I would bet that I think most people will make their final decision based on what happens with you in your legal case.
I wish you the best of luck.
I don't like the government pursuing anybody.
But, you know, I would hope that in your pursuit of whatever it is you're pursuing, that You realize, and maybe this is where we differ, we have to identify a common enemy, and we have to be very strategic on how we approach it.
And I don't think that...
I know I didn't properly strategize for that day.
Like I said, if I'd known things would have gone that way, I think I would have handled it differently.
You have not exactly said the same thing, but moving forward...
john sullivan
I would say this, though.
I would say that...
You know, no one could have prepared to see someone die and get shot.
Nobody knew that that was going to happen, or I didn't know that was going to happen, I can tell you that.
I don't think you could prepare to see somebody die and watch the light fade out from their eyes.
I've never seen anybody die up until that point.
So that was very moving and traumatic for myself.
I didn't know exactly how or when or where they were going to try and do this.
All I know that there was enough people that were out there that were angry, and I knew that there was a possibility based on the information I gathered that they could possibly storm the Capitol.
That's all I knew.
I didn't know where inside they were going.
I heard people yell out, hey, you know, we're going to the chambers.
I didn't know where the chambers was.
owen shroyer
I was just following people. All right, short break.
We'll be right back. All right, final segment here with John Sullivan and then Tom Papert is taking over.
On a lighter note, I'm curious if John doesn't have the same tattoo artist of Chet Hanks.
He has the same tattoo, not exactly big on the chest, but they're on his right hand.
So here's the deal.
I have a genuine goal of uniting the anti-establishment left and right and anybody else who wants to stand against the establishment.
There's going to be a lot of rumors about John Sullivan, just as there have been.
I want to give John the benefit of the doubt.
That doesn't mean everybody in this audience will, and I'm sure that some of the rumors and assumptions made about you will stand.
And so, John, I'm just curious.
I mean, you can say it doesn't matter to you, and I respect that in a certain way, guerrilla mindset, just moving forward, don't let the world hold you back, but What are you going to do to restore faith, let's say, and just the general population that you aren't a bad actor, that you aren't involved in trying to stir up the pot?
I mean, I can understand you're there with a million Trump supporters.
It's wild. You get inside.
It's the adrenaline.
It gets kicking. But, you know, people are not going to just memory hole your videos from that day and some of the stuff that was done and said.
So what is your plan, or do you have a plan, or do you care enough To kind of restore public trust in yourself, make a clear statement on where you stand as far as your activism is concerned, and make a statement on how people can trust you just as a journalist that you're just going there to document these things and not incite something.
john sullivan
Yeah, I mean, that's a great question.
I think a lot of people didn't see or hear of my work prior to that video, so also getting to know how I go about things and also I'm going to be laying out the entire truth for the world to see exactly everything that went into this and all the things that I've done all in between.
And that's all going to be laid out in a detailed plan in a book.
So there'll be that time for people to have a greater understanding or a deeper understanding.
So that's maybe one of the ways that I'll be able to do that.
owen shroyer
Does that make sense? Yes, and, you know, I've always been open-minded to—I can't even have debates anymore.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with my work.
I used to debate liberals on the streets, anti-Trumpers on the streets.
I literally can't do it anymore.
I just get vitriolically violently attacked, sadly.
So I created a genre and then had to retire because I just can't do it anymore.
But I will say this— Your legal case is going to be, whether you like it or not, juxtaposed against the legal cases of everyone else that went into the Capitol that day.
I hope that it's favorable for everybody, but that's definitely going to be something that people are going to form strong opinions off of you, juxtaposing how these legal cases turn out.
I think they should all be dropped, quite frankly, but each one may be dealing with different problems there, just to put it lightly.
But... I'm always looking for somebody to debate.
If you have different politics and you want to debate, we can open that platform.
I always am, and from the very outset of myself, I'm not familiar with your entire history of work.
I'm sure you're not familiar with mine, but I hate politics.
I'm very anti-government.
I hate talking about politics.
It really just pisses me off all day.
I don't like living my life like that.
So, I'd like to say to you and to your audience, it's time for us to focus on anti-establishment unity and finding things that we can find common ground on.
You don't trust election results.
I don't trust election results.
I'm anti-big government.
You're anti-big government.
We need to amplify these issues.
We need to amplify these causes, I think, to bring unity to the anti-establishment community and, quite frankly, to the American people that are being oppressed by this big government and world government.
So 30 seconds here, final comments from you, John.
john sullivan
Yeah, I appreciate you having me on the show, and I agree with you 100%.
Unification needs to be had because that's, I mean, guess what our nation was built on, right?
We are the people and, you know, if things are going wrong, we have the right to change that and make that difference.
So hopefully that happens.
I hope that happens because it's going to be very dark days if we don't figure out how to work that out.
owen shroyer
We hang together or we hang separate.
Jonathan Sullivan, thank you for joining us today.
Ladies and gentlemen, Tom Papert is about to take over.
But I've told you folks, some people may have wanted me to handle that differently, but I'm all about unity.
We have to turn a new leaf.
We have to save America together.
Ladies and gentlemen, here's Joe Biden earlier today.
He doesn't even know what he's doing.
unidentified
Look at him. Oh, what?
owen shroyer
Where am I? What's in there?
Oh, okay.
All right, what's this now?
What do we have here?
And then grabs a different pen.
Can't even grab the pen.
What an embarrassment.
And I gotta tell you, as somebody who majored in psychology, the body language of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden today has been extremely telling.
Now, we all know that Joe is a doddering old fool suffering from dementia.
He's had multiple strokes, open brain surgery, you know, all of it.
Part of you kind of feels bad for him, but knowing he's such a world-class criminal, you just drop all that sentiment.
But let me just tell you, from Joe Biden fumbling and bumbling around today, not knowing how to sign an executive order, they don't even know what it is, to Kamala Harris, I don't even know where or what she was doing.
My goodness, Kamala Harris looks like I don't even know how to explain it.
Someone who's trying to hold back a sneeze or somebody who's trying to hold off having a seizure.
I mean, her body language is very, very strange.
It's totally phony, disingenuous.
You can read it from a mile away.
So it's just interesting.
Look, folks... I'm telling...
Oh, and she's got the double mask, too.
Yeah, and she stood up after this and was like waving her arms around like a wacky waving inflatable arm guy, you know, cackling through masks.
It's very, very awkward behavior.
I mean, at the least, it looks like, you know, a drunken Catholic schoolgirl at a high school kegger.
At the worst, it looks like a criminal phony who's trying to hide who she really is deep down.
Knowing she got on her knees for Willie Brown to get to where she is today.
But that's a separate story.
The point is, I truly believe there's an opportunity here to build bridges between the anti-establishment left and right.
I'm making a genuine attempt to do that.
I think it's more important than fighting with the left.
I can still do that, still fight the fake news and everything.
Yeah, here's part of Kamala just dancing around today.
Very strange. So anyway, that's what I leave you with today.
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tom pappert
Tom, take it away. Thank you, Owen, and a phenomenal interview.
I just want to remind everybody watching at home or on TV or wherever you may be, go to band.video, click the share link, and when that video is up, share it with everybody because that was fascinating.
And I hope someday, maybe within our lifetimes, we can get back to a time and a place where that type of normal, reasonable discourse is welcome in our country because I hope I certainly don't think that it is now, and I commend Owen for being brave enough to actually have a reasonable conversation.
On that note...
Let's talk about that video that the segment opened with where Biden is fighting with a pen.
He cannot figure out how his pockets work.
I can personally say I have never forgotten the way pockets work without the help of a significant amount of alcohol.
Joe Biden, of course, we would hope, being the President of the United States, that's a joke, Was not under the influence.
No, he is under the influence of a dying brain.
It's very, very sad.
And so he had just signed an executive order.
owen shroyer
Oh my gosh. Okay, I'm sorry, Tom.
I'm a huge jerk for doing this.
I'm a total jerk for doing this.
But I just realized...
Folks, I'm not kidding. I think I just realized what happened.
Guys, play that B-roll again.
Tom, I'm so sorry to do this to you, but I just had a major revelation here.
I asked the crew, because I saw this video of Kamala acting so strange...
Like, seriously, she's just acting very strange, unbuttoning, buttoning her coat, kind of pacing around, just weird body mannerisms, blinking, the flicking of the hair, the looking around, the pointing, almost like she's having a seizure or fighting off a seizure.
Folks, this was right after she got the vaccine.
She maybe was having a response to the vaccine, and this is her trying to fight it off and not collapse.
While it's happening. Wow.
Okay, sorry. Had to point that out.
Tom, I apologize. Take it away.
I'm out. I'm out.
unidentified
I'm out. No problem at all, Owen.
tom pappert
I mean, we all saw the one nurse pass out moments later.
There's been a report that we're working to verify and find out more about.
There was a kid, a young teenager in, I believe, Florida who got the vaccine and then had to be hospitalized with something like an irregular heartbeat.
And of course, as Elon Musk so correctly pointed out, if somebody thinks that his self-driving cars are literally self-driving and they go careening off a cliff, That family gets to sue him and put him in the poorhouse.
But with these vaccines, if you have a Kamala experience and start freaking out and sweating bullets and you don't know if you're supposed to button or unbutton, maybe you turn into Joe Biden.
Your brain just dies and you don't know how to put a pin in your pocket.
You are powerless, absolutely and completely powerless.
And I think we need a critical mass of, I don't even, this isn't even about regular anti-vax, pro-vax.
Critical mass of people need to accept that this is not a normal vaccine.
This is an mRNA prototype.
It's never been tried before in humankind.
There's no proof that it's going to work on a wide scale.
There has not been the proper testing.
And we need to just say no.
If that means you can't go to a rock concert in Florida, I think it was, I guess that's just a risk we're all having to take.
I mean, it's gotten so bad in my extended family.
We've been joking.
All right, who's going to be the one?
Who's going to take the shot, get the jab, as they say in the UK? Who's going to take the jab so you can go to Walmart and buy our groceries while we all say hang out here at the compound?
And I think it's going to come to drawing straws.
So on the note that Owen left us on, which is reaching out to the disenfranchised people on the left...
We have an article up in National File.
It took Joe Biden's press secretary, the robotic Pisaki, or however on earth you say her name, five days to comment on what Antifa did in Portland and Seattle on the 20th, the day of Joe Biden's Fake inauguration.
And if you don't remember, there was massive rioting in the streets.
They stole an American flag from a veteran who has been passed down in his family for generations.
They burned American flags on the streets of Seattle.
And most interestingly, they attacked and ransacked the Democrat Party headquarters of Portland.
And they scrawled on one of the windows right by the main entrance, F Biden.
Absolutely unbelievable.
She finally offered a statement on that just yesterday to disavow the violence from the violent left.
Obviously, I am not a fan of Antifa's tactics.
I'm obviously not a fan of what these people do, but...
I think that this is going to begin to draw or drive a bigger wedge.
There is no common ground between the Democrat Party, which is just the left branch of the
UNA party that has ruled this country for decades, and these grassroots activists who
think that they're going to get a $15 minimum wage, they think they're gonna get the Green
New Deal, they think the whole world is going to change with Joe Biden.
There's going to be a rude awakening for these folks, and you're already seeing it on Twitter
where they're losing their jobs, their boss is firing them, they can't buy guns in Jefferson
City, Missouri.
And none of these things are as promised.
None of these things are what Joe said he was going to do or how, but Joe doesn't know what he says.
And I think that is the message that the anti-establishment folks on the left, of which there are many, need to be driven home or have driven home.
There is no representation of you.
We briefly had an ounce of representation on the right that When we had Trump in the Oval Office, now, of course, there is no one to replace him, except perhaps maybe Kentucky Senator Rand Paul in the Senate, who today destroyed the impeachment sham before it could even begin.
And we'll go more into that in the next segment.
I do just want to preview a little bit later in the show.
We're going to be joined at the bottom of this hour by Jerome Bell, former candidate in Virginia, to get his thoughts on what's going on in his home state under the Democrat rule there where Blackface Babykiller is.
Actually, he just had a court loss.
He had a courtroom say his mail-in ballot scam for 2020 completely unconstitutional.
So big things happening in Virginia.
Then we'll have Spreeley.com founder Mark Sidney on to discuss about the future of alt tech and the political death of big tech.
So you don't want to miss that.
I'm Tom Papper. We'll be right back after this short break.
Don't go away. Welcome back to The War Room.
I'm Tom Papert, filling in for Owen Schroer for the rest of today's broadcast.
And of course, the breaking news is it appears, at least, that the planned partisan impeachment, which doesn't even have basis in the Constitution, the Supreme Court wasn't even going to get involved.
Totally bizarre, unsanctioned, banana republic-type stuff they were planning.
It is now left dead on arrival after Rand Paul's fantastic speech, Earlier today, my God, what are we watching?
There's a whole bunch of men in horns walking across the halls of Congress, it appears.
So it appears it has been left dead on arrival.
Let's play a little bit of Rand Paul's speech where he, not Mitch McConnell, no, Rand Paul, the senator from Kentucky that everybody makes fun of, ended the impeachment scam before it could begin.
rand paul
Let's go to Rand....incited the reprehensible behavior and violence of January 6th when he said...
I know everyone here will soon march to the Capitol to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
Peacefully and patriotically.
Hardly words of violence.
But what of Democrat words?
What of Democrat incitement to violence?
No Democrat will honestly ask whether Bernie Sanders incited the shooter that nearly killed Steve Scalise and volunteer coach.
The shooter nearly pulled off a massacre.
I was there because he fervently believed the false and inflammatory rhetoric spewed by Bernie and other Democrats Such as, the Republican health care plan for the uninsured is that you die.
As this avowed Bernie supporter shot Steve Scalise, nearly killing him, and shot one of our coaches and two or three of our staff, he screamed, this is for health care.
Ask me or anyone if that's incitement.
tom pappert
Absolutely insane. We might play some more of Rand Paul's speech momentarily, but the result was he, of course, was proposing to not even bring this thing up, not take it to a full vote.
He managed to get 45 votes to the left, the globalists.
And so if that pattern holds, an impeachment in the Senate, of course, requires a two-thirds majority.
Mitch McConnell has signaled repeatedly through back channels that he was considering telling his cronies, his little cubs that need him for nourishment, he has repeatedly expressed a willingness to impeach cronies.
President Donald Trump to convict him in the Senate, prevent him from ever holding office again, and of course the silver lining on this for him and for the evil Democrats who, as you just heard Rand Paul say, have been brainwashed into committing violence by somebody, could be Bernie Sanders, could be Cory Booker, it would remove President Trump of his Secret Service protection, which I'm not so sure would be a bad thing.
I think that that bald guy in 2016 might do a better job than the Secret Service under the Biden administration.
So this is breaking.
It's just happened in the last hour, and it appears, again, we need to continue to put pressure on our so-called Republican leaders in the Senate to not go forward with this.
And it is stunning, is it not?
I mean, you have Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell, the two senators from the same state, Kentucky.
And yet one of them is a evil looking, corrupt looking hate monger who has been parroting Democrat propaganda.
He went up in the Senate last year and he delivered a sob story speech about how the death of George Floyd affected him and how sad it was and how we needed to fight for justice.
That's our back then Republican majority leader.
I mean, Nobody would ever look.
If you passed Mitch McConnell, and you never will because he has servants who do these things for him, if you passed him at the grocery store, you would not assume that he can lead his dog on a walk around the block.
You would look at this guy and say, you are some...
Lower to middle management, probably accountant, maybe a really bad lawyer, and that's what you are in life.
And you would be correct in any other world, any other time, any other place.
But no, Mitch McConnell rules the Senate side and really most of the Republican Party with an iron fist.
And I think President Trump would now admit one of his biggest mistakes was trusting this little loser named Mitch McConnell to help him pick his 2018 Senate and House endorsements.
It all came from For Mitch McConnell, Kushner had a play in it as well.
But McConnell, you see, controls the biggest pack in the Senate.
McConnell wasted so much money just in this last cycle, he dropped millions of dollars in my state of Kansas because he wanted Roger Marshall to be the next senator and not Chris Kobach.
He didn't just let the people of Kansas decide.
No. Mitch McConnell's pack, which I guarantee you he had something to do with this.
was his graphic design team, his video production team, looks just like all of his ads, placed
a multi-million dollar, from my understanding, ad buy right here in Kansas to make sure that
we would get one of his cronies elected to the Senate, Roger Marshall, instead of an
anti-immigration, pro-Trump border hawk like Chris Kobach.
That's who Mitch McConnell is.
And on the other hand, you have poor Rand Paul, who has been nothing but abused, just
like his father since he was elected back in 2012.
It's been a nonstop whirlwind of attacks on him that have, at various points, in my humble
non-legal opinion, resulted in him being attacked in a physical sense.
Of course, his neighbor beat the crap out of him, and he's still recovering from that today.
Will never be 100%.
I believe ribs were cracked and all types of insanity.
And by the way, leftists still get to celebrate that.
On screen, you can see a video of him just during the George Floyd insanity when he were all having to wear masks, where the Antifa crowd in Washington, D.C. broke through police lines at times to attack this man, a sitting U.S. senator.
And yet nobody worried about the word incitement when all this happened.
I almost wish, and I guess we're going to get our wish, because we know how the Republicans are going to vote, but they have some far-left radical Democrat who's going to be sitting in place of Chief Justice John Roberts, which, I mean, one side of me says what difference at this point does it make.
But they're going to basically rehash the last four years about how Orange Man is just really, really bad, and they're going to do this ad nauseum for the next month.
They're gonna bring up every little thing.
We're gonna hear about the kids in cages again.
We're gonna hear about the Muslim ban that wasn't even a Muslim ban.
We're gonna hear about how he was xenophobic when he banned the travel from China at the beginning of COVID. They're going to rehash every single thing, every single now-deleted tweet the president has ever made in an attempt to make us hate President Trump.
And excuse Joe Biden's incompetence.
That's the real plan behind this sham impeachment.
And I guess they're going to get it, but it's going to backfire as does so much of what they're doing.
I mean, Biden's day one approval ratings are lower than virtually all of his modern day predecessors, including the evil one, President Trump.
Biden is potentially the most unpopular president in history.
On his first 100 days!
We already have judges in Hawaii blocking him.
I think that this impeachment is going to, just like the last impeachment, result in the Republican Party and, more importantly, the voters of the Republican Party standing squarely behind the office of the former president, which, of course, is the President Trump's latest troll move just formed yesterday.
So when we come back, we're going to have Jerome Bell from Virginia.
He was a candidate for U.S. House.
He's been very busy pushing for election integrity and reform.
He's been very busy about exposing voter fraud.
And I want to get his thoughts on the current status of blackface Ralph Northam.
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I am guest host Tom Papert, editor-in-chief of NationalFile.com, filling in for Owen for the rest of Welcome back to the War Room, my friend. Hey, Tom.
jarome bell
Hey, well, thank you for having me.
I ran in 2020, not 18, just this past cycle.
tom pappert
Oh, my apologies. Too many years going on.
No, and it was really an insurgent campaign.
The Republican Party, from my understanding, was not too happy about you.
And you've been a thorn in their side ever since.
Is that right? Oh, well, yeah.
jarome bell
Truly, they have been.
And I, you know, just like President Trump, I'm an outsider.
And they don't like outsiders too much.
And I speak the truth.
And the establishment and the Republican Party, they don't like people from the outside speaking the truth about them.
tom pappert
Well, that's exactly right.
And we can go into some of the, I mean, you put up an establishment Republican and then they lose to a Democrat.
No wonder, Virginia, people think it's going blue.
It's the establishment Republican Party that are really strangling it.
I don't want to put words in your mouth.
That's at least my opinion.
But I understand that you are not done.
Is that right? Can you tell us a little bit about what you're doing next?
jarome bell
Well, all right, Tom, I guess you're going to have the exclusive.
We were going to wait, but I'm going to give you the exclusive since you called me first.
But yeah, we are putting out that we are launching our campaign for the 2022 House of Representatives race for the 2nd District of Virginia.
And, you know, and to be honest, Tom, you know, we thought about this and I truly wasn't going to run.
You know, people ask me, you know, after our last cycle, you know, many, many people came up to me and they asked me to run for governor and They've asked me to run for lieutenant governor.
They've asked me to run for delegate.
And watching and really seeing what the establishment did to candidates like myself, there was no backing there.
We had a lot of backing from the people, but a lot of the establishment, they backed other candidates that didn't have a chance in hell and winning, to be honest.
I was the only candidate that could have beaten Elaine Lurie, the Democrat, or any Democrat for that matter.
And so I wasn't going to run.
I was going to just retire, go fishing, get my retirement home set up.
But then I saw what they did to President Trump.
I saw the silencing of the most powerful position in the world, the President of the United States.
And I saw him silenced.
I saw him silenced by The Democrats, I saw him silenced by Big Tech, who's supposed to be private industries, but a baker, you know, gets sued for making a cake, you know, or for not making a cake, for having that, you know, sentiment.
And then what I saw was the establishment, the Never Trumpers, continue to stab President Trump in the back like they've been doing for the past four years.
And so, you know, I had a talk with God, and God is my strength.
He said, hey, you know, just go do what you have to do.
And so, yeah, so I'm back in the race.
I'm going to be riding again in 2022 for Virginia.
tom pappert
And I love that you're starting this early, but you heard it here first, folks.
The first America First candidate, or at least one of them, to declare in Virginia and around the country is right here on the War Room, breaking it down now.
And Kevin McCarthy is not going to be happy with you after this.
Most of the House Republicans are not going to be happy with you for doing this.
And I'm sure the people in the Republican Party of Virginia are not going to be happy with you doing this.
What do you... And I don't want to say this the wrong way, but what did you learn from the first time dealing with the establishment, having them essentially spit in your face and telling you it's raining out?
How are you going to use that knowledge to then go forward in 22 and make sure these folks don't hurt and screw over the one good candidate again?
jarome bell
I mean, well, because everything that I told the people.
You know, during my campaign exactly has happened.
You know, I was out in front in January of 2020 when we first announced.
I was out in front of, you know, the draconian laws that were just coming out of Virginia from Governor Northam.
You know, the boys going into the girls' bathrooms, the blatant war on women, basically, the boys being able to play girls' sports.
And now you see it's come to fruition nationally.
I campaigned against that in January.
My first stump speech, if you will, Well, I've said exactly those things that what was going to happen.
They are attacking the Second Amendment, and then they're going to attack the First Amendment.
And so I was the only candidate that came out front and came out and I've campaigned on those things, and everything has come true.
And, you know, I think the people see that.
You know, the people see that the establishment candidate once again lost, a two-time loser, to the Democrat, Elaine Luria.
And, you know, unfortunately, me and another candidate, we split votes.
I would have beat him head to head.
But, you know, they see that.
And so hopefully the people see that the establishment is not good, the establishment is just as bad as Democrats, you know, it's just the other side.
And, I mean, I'm really appreciative what President Trump did, other than his great economy, you know, his great, you know, bringing America back, his stance for America first, his great trade deals, is that he exposed to the American people All the rhinos.
He exposed to the American people, all of the Republicans, call themselves Republican conservatives, that are for themselves, that are for China, and definitely not for the American people.
tom pappert
Well, Jerome, and you bring up such a great point.
I hate what they did to President Trump.
I hate how they obviously and fraudulently stole an election from the man, then silenced him, cut out his tongue on every single platform, from Twitter to I'm sure he's banned from Zoom to he's banned from things like...
Discord, where you can't...
It's a video game platform.
And Twitch, where it's for video games, but the president isn't allowed to have a Minecraft server now.
I mean, that's how absurd this is.
And you're right. We hate to be proven right, but you called all of this on the War Room and in all of your speeches over a year ago now, in early January of 20.
So, what do you make of the...
I mean, I think that this is a great opportunity.
I was looking at some of the details We're good to go.
There was a 20,000-vote difference between him and Elaine Luria.
I mean, this is a very winnable seat.
You just have to send somebody who knows what they're doing.
So how do we tell the folks who are rightfully worried about another fraudulent election, what do we say to reassure them, do you think?
jarome bell
I mean, you know, that's a tough question, you know, because we all saw it live and in color, basically.
And people are, you know...
Trying to decide if their vote really counts.
Because, really, this started back in our primary, to be honest, Tom.
We had some really shenanigans that happened the morning of our primary on June 23.
We had our computer systems that were not working at the start of the election.
At 6 a.m., we had computers not working, and they didn't get up and running until, like, 1030, I think, and most of the precincts.
So most of the people that went, and this was in Virginia Beach, okay, and just happened to be the largest voting precinct in Virginia, well, area in Virginia is Virginia Beach, and people had to fill out provisional ballots.
You know, they couldn't vote.
tom pappert
And they don't count those unless they have to.
jarome bell
Right, right. So I think this started, you know, maybe it was a test run or whatever, you know, you want to have it.
And here's the thing, too. When we talk about Scott Taylor and what he was for and what I was against, he was for the mail-in ballots.
If you go and look at any videos and we talked about it, I was definitely against any mail-in ballots because you knew that there was going to be fraud.
President Trump even told people, you have mail-in ballots.
You're going to have a bunch of fraud, and that's what happens.
So, you know, the only thing I can say to the people is I guess we still have to trust the process, and hopefully the state of Virginia will get rid of the demeaning machines.
Hopefully we won't. I want to go back to paper.
That's what I want to do. Let's just go back to paper.
tom pappert
Yeah, I don't know what's so wrong with that.
It worked for our founding fathers.
Apparently we lost the ability to use a pen.
I mean, I know Joe Biden has, Jerome.
I don't know if you've seen the video, but he doesn't know how to use a pen anymore.
Don't go away. Blackface Ralph Northam just had a big loss on that very thing.
Mail-in ballots. I want to get your thoughts.
We'll be right back. This is The War Room.
I am Tom Papert filling in for Owen, and our guest is, of course, Jerome Bell, who is running for Congress in Virginia's 2nd District.
You heard it right here on The War Room first, and they are not happy about this guy.
Let me tell you about that. Jerome, I know they were hoping you'd go away, and I'm glad you didn't.
So there's a decision just came out yesterday from the Virginia Circuit Court, which ruled that, get this, Jerome, it is illegal to count a mail-in ballot that's sent three days after the day of the election, and it wasn't postmarked.
You would think that would be common sense, but that is the law that Blackface Northam and his allies tried to push through and it has now been struck down and it will not be able to be used, according to this judge, in 2021, 2022 or going into the future.
So I think that there are some victories to be had.
Of course, they weren't going to allow any of this important work to be done under President Trump because then it would have proved the election was rigged and then we wouldn't have Joe Biden doddering around the White House making us all very embarrassed to be American right now.
But I view that as a silver lining.
But how do we, I think maybe what we need is a critical rapid response.
So if 9.30 in the morning when the polls are open and people have been waiting in line and all of a sudden they can't vote in Virginia Beach.
If this happens again in 2021, we need to be shooting signal flares off into the sky saying, look, we're worse than Uganda.
By the way, Jerome, they said that that exact same thing happening in Uganda was proof that the election was rigged.
The machines didn't work in the morning and it took till noon to fix them.
So... What are your thoughts on the state-level Republicans in Virginia and their appetite or their ability to sort out this election mess before the next cycle?
jarome bell
Well, you know, I'm hoping they do that.
I mean, you know, we have, you know, and I've said it, weak leadership in the state of Virginia, you know, in the Republican Party.
It just is what it is.
You know, they didn't even put up a fight, a real fight.
I'm glad the circuit judge made the ruling.
A little late for 2020, but like you say, 2021.
And we do have some good people, some good grassroots candidates running in some of these elections in 2021.
We have Chuck Smith that's running for attorney general in 2021.
We have Tim Anderson that's running as delegate.
We have Karen Starling Green Hall that's running for delegate as well.
So we have some great people that's running in some of these races.
And I would hate to see them lose because the races were stolen or because the votes didn't count or because we went through the same things that we went through in 2020.
That should never happen again.
It should never happen again.
I'm glad the judge ruled on it.
And I'm glad Blackface took an L on this one, because that's something that We're the United States of America.
We're not Uganda. We're not Afghanistan.
I mean, for Christ's sake, Afghanistan has voter ID. You have to have an ID to vote in Afghanistan.
Yet, in the state of Virginia, no ID is needed.
But you need ID for everything else.
So it's really preposterous.
So I hope the leadership in Virginia and the Republican leadership get it right.
tom pappert
I hope so, too.
And I want to ask, so you come from, of course, 27 years in the Navy, retired as a chief petty officer.
I hope I'm not getting that wrong.
So, I mean, I'm sure that you were all over the globe, literally.
Part of these American initiatives are sandbox meddling.
Where we went and we told people, here's how you run a real election.
Here's how you have a democracy.
You gotta have voter ID. What would you think?
I mean, if you walked into a country called Virginia and they told you, yeah, the voting machines didn't work for two hours in the morning.
We're using this company that may or may not come from a socialist funding from the Southern Hemisphere.
We don't take voter ID. We're doing mail-in things where if you send the ballot four days late, we'll still count it.
What would you say as somebody coming from the Navy if you were told that that was the situation on the ground?
jarome bell
We get laughed at.
I'd probably laugh. And I'm sure the world is laughing at the United States right now.
The world, not just the United States, the world saw what happened.
The world, you know, put us on a pedestal.
I mean, we... What makes us the great countries that we've had and have, I would still hope, free and fair elections?
And like I said, we go around the world to try to get countries to have free and fair elections, whether we meddle.
We meddle in a lot of elections around the world, too, let's just be honest.
But, you know, we can't, you know, preach And then not follow what we preach, you know?
And, I mean, it's just sad.
But, you know, I think we're being laughed at right now, and we need to get it right.
And it's going to start—the only way that Republicans can get this right and win long term is we need to take this communist war straight to the Democrats and, you know, against its liberty head-on.
You know, and it's going to take strong men.
It's going to take strong men.
And people like Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell, let's just say they ain't it.
Neither is Liz Cheney.
Or any of the other ones that want to impeach President Trump.
tom pappert
Right. So let's talk about that, too, in our time left here, because let's say, and I have full faith that you can do it unless the Republican Party stabs you in the back every single way they can imagine.
Let's say that we are in 2023.
It's January. You are walking into the halls of Congress, and your boss, at least theoretically, is still Liz Cheney and Kevin McCarthy.
I mean, what will you do to hold these establishment clowns accountable if you're elected?
jarome bell
I mean, well, they don't understand who chiefs are, obviously.
But no, I'm going head on.
I mean, they'll know before I get there.
And that's why they're probably going to do everything they can to keep me from getting there.
I mean, Kevin McCarthy, he had President Trump endorse Scott Taylor.
He knew Scott Taylor wasn't going to win.
I probably should have been the one to get President Trump's endorsement.
I didn't get it. And that was a Kevin McCarthy thing.
It wasn't a President Trump thing.
I understand how the game works up in D.C. But I'm not the guy.
I'm not the PC guy.
I'm not the guy that's going to just lay down and just take your orders because you're the boss.
If you're the boss, then you need to stand up for your workers, if that's the case, right?
And we'll be under a leadership, but the leadership either needs to, one, change, or it needs to get tougher.
And so that's what I'm going to bring to Washington, D.C., and take to Washington, D.C., is that a toughness, an outsider, and I really don't care Really what they think about me, but they're going to know I'm here for the people.
tom pappert
You know, I love it. And it's almost like, I mean, the squad is such terrible branding.
Maybe since you're coming from the military background, you can be like the military unit or something, the battalion of people that we're going to send to force the leadership to actually do things that matter to the constituents they allegedly represent.
Maybe that can be you and a collection of other folks.
So real quick, we got a few minutes left.
I wanted to ask you, of course, President Trump yesterday established the office of the former president.
He's made two endorsements since he left the White House.
One was, of course, Kelly Ward in Arizona, his first endorsement, and it was a success.
She retained her role as the Arizona party chair.
If only we could multiply her times 50 and send her to every single state.
And then, of course, we have Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who has now been endorsed for her
upcoming campaign for governor of Arkansas.
So do you expect, now that President Trump has been backstabbed by these people relentlessly,
that he's going to stop listening to these people when it comes to endorsements?
jarome bell
Well, I would hope so.
And I've heard through the grapevine that I had a fan in the White House under President Trump.
So I'm hoping that fan that worked in the White House still has President Trump's ear, and let him know that there's a candidate here in Virginia that backed him 100 percent from the beginning.
That was an America First.
We had the same platform, basically, that we ran on.
I don't know who ran it first, him or I, but we ended up having the same platform, America First, our immigration platform.
And I was, you know, really the first to call for an immigration moratorium even before President Trump did.
I was the first candidate to do that.
And so, you know, I'm hoping if President Trump's listening, if people get the word out to President Trump to endorse the right candidate this time, And help send the right person to D.C. Let's endorse a winner this time.
tom pappert
I think that's a good idea.
Jerome, how can folks find you on social media?
How can folks get involved with the campaign?
jarome bell
Well, unless I'm suspended or shadow banned or silenced, like I was two weeks before my election on Twitter, you can find me at JeromeBellVA on Twitter, on Facebook, JeromeBell4Virginia.com.
I'm on Gab somewhere.
We'll find out. And also, you can go to JeromeBellForCongress.com, and that's my website that you have up there.
And you can volunteer, or you can email at JeromeBellForCongress at gmail.com, and we'll be in charge with you.
tom pappert
Chief Bell, thank you so much for coming on and giving us this exclusive.
I wish you nothing but the best.
I think you're going to win.
I think that you're going to make these people regret doing everything they could to stop you in 2020.
And I think that this is going to be the pattern.
I hope you are the first of many.
And before you know it, we'll have so many Make America Great Again candidates pushing back against the establishment that it will become inevitable.
jarome bell
Absolutely. And that's what it's going to take, Tom.
Thanks for having me back. I appreciate it.
tom pappert
Absolutely. Jerome Bell, everybody.
you can visit him online.
I highly recommend you follow his Twitter.
He's actually a hilarious Twitter user, and if it wasn't for big tech
putting their fingers on the scale, I'm sure that he would be doing 10 times better there too.
But he's also on Gab.
That's the important thing.
I'm so glad he said that, because as we all go into this brave new world
of constant big brother Orwellian hunger game censorship, we have to develop our own comms.
And our next guest, coming up six after the top of the hour,
will go into that.
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For the next few segments, maybe we'll hold him over, depending on what his time looks like, is Mark Sidney.
And you've seen him on before. I want to ask Mark specifically about the explosion of new tech.
I mean, personally, I'm having more fun on Gab.
I can't even begin to understand what I just said.
I'm associating fun with social media, Mark.
I haven't been able to do that since like 2017, when Facebook started their big crackdown on independent thinkers.
On your website, Spreely.com, and on Gab, I'm having actual fun engaging with other human beings, having real conversations, and of course it doesn't hurt that the dopamine from checking all those notifications is back because I'm no longer shadow banned.
So if you could, just outline what is Spreely and why is it so important that we get beyond this big tech crutch that we've had the last few years?
mark sidney
Sure. So I didn't know that you were actually old enough to enjoy social media, Tom.
I thought you were too young to know the glory days when Facebook and Twitter were enjoyable.
But what's really, as I've explained it before, I'll explain it again.
For those who aren't familiar, we were big publishers on Facebook back before President Trump was elected.
And then as soon as Trump was elected, I guess there was a meeting.
I wasn't invited. But someone had a meeting and decided that Facebook or All these publishers, all these platforms, I'm sorry, 40 and slip there, are going to start curating content, or at least it sure feels like they're curating content, and curating small independent publishers out of the picture.
And they began to de-platform people.
There was an event called, that we affectionately refer to as The Purge, That was back in 2018.
I believe it was October 11th or something.
There were 810 accounts and profiles taken down.
And my partner, who had 15 million fans across Facebook, and this was how he was feeding his family.
He had employees who otherwise couldn't have worked.
They either were bedridden or they were single parents.
They had to be home.
All these people were unemployed instantly at the flip of a switch.
And we saw the crackdown on speech, and we knew that if the freedom of speech wasn't preserved on the Internet, The country would be lost.
And that's when we launched Spreely, over two years ago.
And now, the hardest part of growing Spreely in the past has been convincing people, hey, there's a problem here.
Because the average person, when they log into their Facebook, their Twitter, their legacy social media, they don't really think about it as a business or what they're seeing.
They're just consuming their feed, and they're not paying super close attention to what's in it.
So it's been very hard up until recently to convince people, hey, there's a problem.
tom pappert
I can't imagine what changed.
mark sidney
Yeah, well, Twitter did us this huge favor and they started putting something on the President of the United States tweets saying, no, that's not true.
And everyone realized, wait a minute, this is, I don't know how I feel about this.
And then they deleted the President of the United States off the social media.
And they basically depersoned the President of the United States.
If you want to talk about a power move, That was a power move.
But every coin has an obverse and reverse side.
And the reverse to that was that people now know that it can happen to them.
If they can do it to Trump, they can do it to you.
And that's not just people on the right.
That's people who are on the left who could cause a problem for The powers that be.
tom pappert
And we've seen some of that.
I just want to stop you. We've seen some of that already.
They're coming home. The chickens are coming home to roost.
There was a very popular, basically an Antifa, you know, they say, oh, we're anti-fascist page on Facebook that's based out of the UK that was taken down.
There was a big lawsuit against Google, maybe it's still ongoing, I don't know, from LGBT users who felt that their lifestyle was worth monetizing, and so they were suing YouTube.
And that's the real thing. And by the way, it's not just the president at this point.
I mean, they admit to banning 70,000 people, and they say that all of these people were QAnon accounts.
Now, I know some of the people who have been banned in the last few weeks, days, and they are not QAnon people.
They've never been. Some of them have respectable jobs in our nation's capital, and they're no longer welcome.
So I think the message is clear.
We are not welcome on these legacy tech platforms.
mark sidney
Would you agree? What else would they be saying when they kick all these people off?
And I'm not a Q person.
I don't agree with Q. I don't agree with things that went on at the Capitol.
I condemn them. We wouldn't let people organize such things on our platform.
But people need to be allowed to speak.
And just by broadly saying, oh, this person's associated with Q, maybe because they retweeted something or the platform just had them on a list of people they needed a convenient excuse to get rid of, is a dangerous slope.
And I saw that there was a Democratic Congresswoman proposing a bill that would ban QAnon followers and another group from gaining security clearances or being able to join the military, which You know, I like to look at everything from the 30,000-foot view of where it's going, and it sounds to me like they're trying to ban half the country, and not half the country believes in Q, but that's where it starts, right?
They boil the frog. They start with QAnon followers.
And of one, I am not.
And then they move a little bit further towards one direction, a little bit further, and until you've got half the country can no longer serve in the military.
And then you ask yourself these questions about how could these atrocities happen in a country?
And when only The people who think a certain way are allowed to have weapons, and they're told that the people that don't have the weapons are inferior and somehow it's okay to hurt them, that they've been dehumanized.
Terrible things happen. So this is a lot more than just speech that's at risk here.
tom pappert
I think that's a good point.
And that's definitely where they want us to go.
I mean, we saw Biden for days.
He was vetting the National Guard.
One would think that you would have to be vetted to be in the National Guard.
But I mean, what I've heard is it basically came down to who'd you vote for in the last election?
Oh, Trump, oh, you don't get to guard Biden today.
I'm sorry. You can go three miles away with a gun that has no ammo in it.
And you can stand there in a parking garage and wait till we need you.
I mean, that's already what these people are pushing for.
And you look at Biden. I guarantee you Biden doesn't know about this.
But the message is clear.
And it's coming from big tech.
It's coming from the government.
It's coming from all angles.
And I think that's so very much the reason why we need sites like Spreely.
And why we need, as much as I love Gab, I love Spreely too.
I think we need five of these things to compete with the big five legacy tech social media
companies.
Talk about that as well, because you've told me before, you don't view Gab as competition
or Parler as competition.
And before we do that, though, we got about two minutes left.
Talk about, because people don't understand what happens when you are a social media website
like Gab or Spreely, and all of a sudden 500,000 people try to sign up on the same day.
Talk a little bit about the frustrations and the trials and tribulations and victories that you've had keeping the site up with all this traffic.
mark sidney
So, there's no better, you know, exemplar of this than Parler.
When they first launched, they got 300,000 followers really quickly, and then they had some stumbling blocks they had to rebuild, and then they came back strong and they had 20 million people became a real threat, and then the cartel, I mean, they squeezed them out.
I think that they're going to be back.
I don't think that the people behind that platform have any intention of giving up.
They've proved their concept.
There's a demand for the product.
And they'll be back, and they'll be strong, and it's great.
Look, how many people took Alex Jones off of their platforms?
Spotify, Facebook, Twitter, I'm sure Amazon.
Go down the list. He's not welcome at 40, 50 sites.
Spreely's not a competitor with anyone.
We're just an alternative.
I think people should be on Gab.
When Parler comes back, they should be on Parler.
I hear people starting MeWe groups.
Just Telegram also is a place where I think President Trump now has an account.
which is kind of ironic because it was started by a Russian billionaire.
tom pappert
So when we come back, and maybe we can start a little bit in this segment,
but you brought up something important, and that is MeWe, which a lot of people have been saying
good things about. Turns out the guy who owns, and this is why it's so important that we become
informed citizens and informed consumers of media and intelligent and informed individuals.
I looked at MeWe two years ago, and I looked at the terms and conditions, and it literally, like,
Facebook should sue them because it looked like they stole their terms and conditions from
Facebook at the time, in my humble opinion. But it was the same type of stuff, community standards,
guidelines, all of these things that could be used to censor.
And now we find out that the owner is a massive donor to Democrats.
And so I just think it's important, and I want to get your thoughts on this on the other side.
You know, we can't just look at any Johnny-come-lately and say, okay, you're going to be my new tech site.
No, we need to actually look at who are the owners, what do they believe, are they, I don't even care if they're Republican, I don't care if they support Trump.
Are they libertarian in that they're going to let me speak?
Are they constitutionalist in that they understand what freedom of speech is?
I think that that's something we need to look at going forward.
I want to get your thoughts. Don't go away.
You're watching The War Room.
I'm Tom Pappert. We'll be right back on the other side.
Welcome back. This is The War Room.
I'm Tom Pappert, guest hosting, and our guest is Mark Sidney of Spreely.com.
And I just, I dropped a bombshell on Mark because I've been reading about MeWe and I guess the owner of this new social media platform, Is a prominent Democrat.
I don't know if it was actual violence, Mark, where people were saying, go do bad things at the Capitol.
That, I completely agree.
You can't have that on a platform.
You can't say it on a street corner, so you can't say it on the internet either.
It's just common sense.
So what do you make of this?
First, I guess, outline your philosophy with Spreely.
Outline what your terms and conditions are.
And then if you can, comment a little bit on why it's so important to actually read these dang things.
mark sidney
All right, so Spreely is a limited public forum, which means that we don't allow everything that's allowed by the First Amendment, but where we're more restrictive is in sexual content.
And every time I see Tom, I make the joke that if you're looking for sexual content, look at his browser history, and you can find anything you're looking for.
But on Spreely, it's not welcome.
Protected by the First Amendment, but not welcome on Spreely.
Political speech, however, is protected.
But things like cults for violence, and that's what they are trying to pin on Parler when there were infinitely, not infinitely, all right, 100, 1,000, I don't know what the multiple of people, the number of people commenting about the I don't know if I'm even allowed to say the name of the event on the legacy platforms, yet no one has any beef with them.
I was reading an article that tried to blame Parler for what happened, and they would take screenshots of Parler posts that said things that were likely illegal and an incitement to violence.
Which they're protected under the CDA from.
These are the laws that have shielded these big tech companies.
And there'd be a screenshot from a legacy platform showing a very similar comment, except the commentary in the article wasn't about how, you know, Facebook or Twitter should be taken down because of these things.
It was just, look at how evil and horrible these people were.
So clearly they use these events as a pretext.
But as far as MIUI goes, you gotta, you read the terms and Basically, when someone tells you who they are, believe them.
If you go on a platform and you see that they're doing things that you don't like, stop using it.
That's why I always say we're not competitors with these other platforms.
We should all be living in this different environment, just like the United States was supposed to be 13, originally now 50 different experiments in governance.
Not one big conglomerate that oversees the entire thing.
There should be a bunch of different platforms that you have a presence on.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket, or you'll end up like me, where I put all my eggs in the Facebook basket and it didn't work out.
So if you go and you build a Parler account, you build a Spreely account, you build a Gab account, if you trust MeWe, you build a MeWe account.
That way, no one person can destroy you.
And if anyone knows that better, if anyone knows that best, it would probably be this network.
tom pappert
No, that's very true.
And that is a good segue because, I mean, we're getting to the point where, as you said, it used to be the big struggle was convincing people to try these new social media platforms.
And they'd sit there and they'd think, well, what happens if I join Spreely and nobody's there?
Well, I can honestly say I don't think you have to worry about that anymore.
You will be able to find all of your Infowars.
I've got shows and personalities on there.
From my knowledge, virtually all of them are on there.
I'm on there. Big names are starting to get on there on Gab and on Spreely and on all of these things because everybody is realizing that Matt Drudge was right when he came on this very network in 2015, 2016 and said, don't go play in somebody else's playground and then be upset when they kick you out because that's where this is going.
They want to make the entire internet just turn into a regurgitation of cable news From the 1980s.
And if we don't start building our own playgrounds, I'm afraid that's where we're going to go.
So talk a little bit and I, of course, I don't want you to give numbers or anything like that, but just expand on the exponential growth that all of this is having right now and what do you think that means?
I mean, Gab is saying they're getting like a 500% growth in traffic.
They're saying they're going to have like 4 million new signups by the end of the month.
Parler was massive before they did what they did to it.
Spreely is becoming a force to be reckoned with.
What does that mean if the American people are so anxious to be able to communicate with each other?
mark sidney
Look, everyone is going to do whatever is in their best interest.
If you're no longer getting what you want from a product, you stop using the product.
If your social media site that you've been going to for seven years stops giving you what you came to it for, there's an app store with a lot of different things in there that you can choose from.
So I think the future of social media is going to be way more fragmented.
I don't think anyone will ever scale to two-point, however many billion people Facebook has.
There'll be little niches here built around communities.
We're trying to build freely so that it's open for everyone.
And we've been working around those problems.
We've kind of obviously haven't been in the front.
Parler is the leader.
Gab, I have the most respect for Tor, but he's done everything himself, and he took He learned from what happened to Alex, or at least it seems that way, and he just built everything himself from scratch.
And he's quietly built himself a little—I shouldn't say a little.
It's way bigger than it's really.
He's built himself an empire that relies on no one.
The utmost admiration for that.
And Parler is going to be back.
They'll be stronger. We've been taking steps to get off of servers that are owned by corporations that have been known to take what we feel is vindictive action against platforms that they see as a competitor to the ability to control speech.
Look, there's obviously a demand.
Parler has 20 million people.
Torba on Gab has millions of people.
That number is only going to grow.
And once it hits that critical mass, it's just going to explode.
So while they may not scale to 2 billion people, if you've got a place where 60 million people aren't welcome to speak, they're going to look for somewhere new.
They're not going to stop speaking.
They're going to go find somewhere that welcomes them.
And I encourage them to find more than one place.
Yeah, people know.
They did it to the President of the United States.
If you don't think that they're willing to do it to you, I don't know what to tell you.
I think everyone watching this broadcast knows what's up.
tom pappert
I think that's right. And I think that it reflects very well on the American people and the people of the world.
I mean, you look at Gab, their number three or four website is China.
And when asked why, Torba says, yeah, it's Chinese dissidents who don't like their government and they don't like having to use Webu or whatever their version of Facebook, except 50 million times worse because it's also your social credit score.
They don't like having to use that, so they use Gab to communicate, where they can actually write the words Winnie the Pooh without having the secret police come in and destroy them.
So I want to get your thoughts on some of these big, I mean, it seems pedantic, but I think it's important, big tech hypocrisy articles when we come back and just news items.
I mean, among them, it recently came out that Facebook is believed to be responsible for 94% or 93%, somewhere in that neighborhood, Child sex crimes because that's what it is.
Child porn isn't real. You are raping a child on the internet.
There's 94% of it all on Facebook.
Nobody's calling for Facebook Messenger to be taken down, at least not any big voices in either of the two monolithic parties.
You've got Jeff Bezos out there saying, you know, mail-in ballots for thee but not for me.
If his people want to unionize, they've got to show up in person wearing their double or triple or quadruple masks and a face shield.
And they've got to pull the lever in person because Amazon needs to have a safe election, unlike the United States of America.
And of course, Twitter is the biggest hypocrite of the group with their reaction to the ban in Uganda, where you're no longer allowed to get on Twitter.
And they called it an affront to people's individual rights.
You can't make this stuff up.
So I want to get your thoughts on at least those big three stories and maybe more.
Don't go away. You're watching The War Room.
Guest is Mark Sidney of Spreely.com.
Welcome back! We've got Mark Sidney, the co-founder of Spreely.com, with us for one more segment.
segment, I wanted to get his thoughts on some of the most ridiculous and yet believable
stories from big tech.
And so Mark and I both come from, we were big on Facebook originally, and Mark, they've
now, they banned me a week before the election, and now they have completely deleted the already
banned page, so I guess I can't even appeal it.
It's just comical, the extent they go to.
Your story is very public, we've talked about it on National File and on this program, but
when I find out that they're going after people like you and me, who are just writing articles,
about how great we think the president is, and posting them on Facebook, and then they're
also allegedly responsible for 93, 94% of all the child pornography.
the child rape images and videos on the internet, that is astounding to me.
I cannot wrap my brain around it.
What is your response, or if you can even muster one, to this obscenity that is Facebook?
mark sidney
Well, I think the more egregious analogy is how they'll blame Parler for what happened at the Capitol, which I condemn.
There's no excuse for breaking into the Capitol.
There was a terrible event.
But, again, way more speech violations were occurring.
And when I say speech violations, I mean incitements to violence were occurring, I would guess, on Facebook.
Clearly, in the case of child pornography, The study that you're referring to suggests that most of it takes place on Facebook, but that's just a virtue of how big they are.
And if they have the best tools in the world in terms of AI to deal with it, I'm sure they're stopping a lot of it.
But the point is, is that there are certain rules, it seems, in our society these days for one group of people, and there are certain rules or no rules for a different group of people based on their political ideology or maybe their religious ideology.
You know, it always shifts depending who's in power.
But right now, What you're allowed to do depends on your political affiliation.
And it's just a slippery, slippery, dangerous slope.
I don't think that Facebook is intentionally allowing child predators to operate on their platform.
They're probably doing the best they can to remove it, just as Spreely does, as I'm sure Gab does.
If you read Gab's Terms of Service, they're very clear that if you do things that are illegal, they will cooperate with The authorities to make sure that your crimes are prosecuted.
And that doesn't mean that you say something that's off-color.
That means if you're trying to incite a riot or something, you know, calling people to violence, you should be held accountable.
You know, those are not things protected by the Constitution.
But the idea that Facebook and Twitter, these other platforms, if you want to We're good to go.
Don't put your finger on the scale.
Let us play with inside the rules and let the most desired content rise to the top.
Don't look at people's viewpoint or identity to determine who sees what and start social engineering.
Just give people what they want and you'll continue to grow.
tom pappert
Well, I think that's right.
And it really does. I mean, all three of these stories highlights this massive level of hypocrisy.
I mean, one of the biggest accounts on Twitter is, of course, Barack Obama, who early on, you know, like everybody did.
And I don't even I don't know if it was against the rules or not, but he did the automatic follow back.
And one of the accounts he followed back just happens to be.
And I got to say this in a family friendly way because we're on the public airwaves here.
But it is a LGBT plus sex toy company.
That exclusively posts images and videos of very well-muscular, well-built men, young men, using the products that they sell.
That's followed by the former president of the United States.
I still can't get my brain around that.
But, I mean, we all remember, I believe it was...
Mines was taken off the App Store because somebody uploaded sexually explicit content and didn't mark the sensitive button.
And so now, I don't know if they managed to get back on the App Store, but that was why they were taken off.
And it does seem to create this double standard.
I mean, Kathy Griffin held up the severed head of a then-sitting president, and now she's laughing about it and saying that, ah, it was just Gamergate that was coming after me.
Now, what I did was fine.
She reposted that after Trump...
After the 20th, I believe, and nothing bad has happened to her.
So, I mean, it's one of the most frustrating parts of this entire dynamic, and I think I know the answer, but what is the solution to this double standard?
mark sidney
It's just take your ball and go somewhere else.
Look, there's a new platform being born every single day, and I think that's a great thing.
The more competition, the better it makes everyone.
You know, sometimes really would load slow, so we had to go and get better, bigger servers.
And look what happened to Parler.
They're going to be stronger than ever when this is over.
You think that it's going to hurt them, that they're down for a month?
All they're doing is, you know, metaphorically, digging trenches and laying wire.
They're just fortifying their position.
And it will not happen to them again.
And if it does, then it will be even harder for it to happen next time.
It would have to be a state-sponsored attack.
I mean, people just need to just go create accounts on different platforms, and yeah, you'll be an early adapter.
When Facebook first started, there were not a lot of people on there, but the people who started early built these enormous followings, and they were able to become content creators when they knew nothing about it.
Millions of businesses were able to grow, and they've now been pushed out, and I think there's a lot of people that are angry, and instead of Being angry and being in that abusive relationship, if that's how you feel about these platforms, there are alternatives.
Check them out. It's not convenient.
You have to start at zero. That sucks.
But you'll find that there are a lot of like-minded people that are on those platforms looking to create a new community in a safe space, so to speak.
tom pappert
Well, that's a safe space in the meaning of just, you know, we allow normal, average legal conversation without a million caveats.
I mean, that was the thing. I remember the olden days of Facebook, and I'm sure you do, and I'm sure the audience does, where if you posted a clip from Infowars.com, or more recently Bandot Video for about two months before they got wise to that, people would like it, and people would see it, and people would engage, and you could have conversations with friends and family and co-workers About whatever amazing and factual thing Alex said, and you could educate them.
And that has been robbed from us on these archaic platforms.
And, you know, Twitter, obviously, the resistance.video is a workaround.
You gotta use band.video on Facebook.
I mean, it's just... It's so confusing, and that's one of, just from a personal perspective, a thank you to you, to Andrew Torba, to all these alt tech guys, because I'm seeing people who have followed me for years, and they always have really good ideas, and they'll tweet it, and it'll get one like, because they've got a shadow ban, and they've got a this and a that and the other.
They go on Gab, or they go on Spreely, and normal average human beings We're good to go.
But it's okay to vote by mail to elect the leader of the free world.
What is your take? I mean, that's beyond the other hypocrisy.
That's a new level.
mark sidney
What is your thought? The further they go, the more they overreach, the more there'll be a snapback.
And things that are absurd will become more and more absurd.
I mean, it's pretty laughable, right?
You can... You see people complaining that, oh, guns have more rights than my lady parts.
Well, no. And I have to have a permit to get a gun.
When I lived up north, I could buy one pistol a month, and I'd have to get a permit, and it would cost money.
It's just ridiculous.
The further we go down the road to serfdom, the more absurd things are going to get.
We need to secure our elections.
Amazon knows it, and I don't think that...
Look, Bezos wants to control the outcome of his election.
He probably doesn't want his people to be unionized because it's going to cut into his bottom line.
He wants to determine the rules of that election.
And just like the people who are moving to determine the rules of our elections have the same desire.
They want to influence the outcome.
That's right. As they get more totalitarian, the more absurd they'll look at.
tom pappert
I think you're right, and I think that's only going to, I mean, it's going to be a dark year and a half until the next election, but that can only serve us well.
MarkSydney, Spreely.com.
I hope folks will join and sign up.
He's got brand new shiny servers.
Put them through their paces.
Let's see if they'll hold up.
Thanks, Mark. We'll see you next time.
Welcome back. You are watching the final segment of today's broadcast of The War Room.
The time just really flies on this thing.
I have no idea how it happens.
I owe it entirely to you guys, the viewers, and of course to the crew doing amazing work.
Now is a good time to remind you, as we were just talking with Mark about how to, I guess,
insulate yourself from the big tech tyrants, from the corporate tyrants, from the Democrat
and Republican tyrants, all of them are working together almost.
It seems in concert.
It's almost like a cartel, I like to say, because we all saw it happen with Parler.
And I hope that they're back. I hope that Mark is right and they come back stronger than ever before.
But it started with Apple and then Google and then Amazon.
And then before you know it, their lawyers won't even work with them anymore because Sundar Pichai and Susan Wojcicki and Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey, they all made the decision totally independently, we're supposed to believe, we're expected to believe, that they were not fit to do business with.
And we need to extend this philosophy all the way down to the individual level.
And that's what I've been talking about so much.
That's what National File has been working on.
It's very important that you coordinate peacefully politically with people in your immediate vicinity.
Take over your county Republican Party.
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This is what you've seen happen over the past few years in Arizona.
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What could he possibly be planning?
We're seeing right now the commodity prices.
I'm in Kansas. I hear about this day in and day out.
Falling through the floor.
I mean, you can't sell corn and expect to make a profit, let alone soybeans, let alone any of the crops
that we need to have a functioning society.
What's going to happen then, you may wonder.
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And it starts with what we saw in Arizona last weekend, where Kelly Ward, President Trump, endorsed her on a Thursday or a Friday.
The election was on Saturday.
And this isn't a normal election, mind you.
This is an election of precinct committeemen, which is an archaic word for a guy
who sets the agenda of the Republican Party of his county.
No, most people don't even know this exists.
And after President Trump endorsed Kelly Ward, who has fought by him for years, she held the seat.
And this is what we can accomplish all across this country because now that she holds that seat,
she controls the Republican Party funds of Arizona.
She's less dependent on Kevin McCarthy and Mitch McConnell.
They can still pick their candidates, and she can pick hers.
And we're going to see, as a result, and it's already happening, election integrity
at the state level is going to be the biggest issue in Arizona
as we go into this current legislative cycle.
And as a result, we could see they're still at war with Maricopa, by the way.
Maricopa County, the Board of Supervisors are apparently a bunch of John McCain alkalites who are refusing to comply with a Senate subpoena so they can get a forensic audit on the Dominion ballots.
They still haven't done that. They're still fighting.
They're still suing. There's supposed to be another decision tomorrow.
You'll be able to read about it on nationalfile.com.
But... We could very easily see if there is something to be found when it comes to Dominion, those machines could be yanked out of the entire state.
We could see it happening.
Not only that, we could see mail-in balance permanently changed or modified or done away with altogether.
And there is an appetite for this right now.
Your Republican legislators all across the country at the state level, they just want to know that the people are behind them.
They want to know that we're still willing to politically fight for this country.
And if they know that's true, You'll be absolutely shocked with what can be accomplished in a very short amount of time.
We can potentially have a real federal election in 2022 and a real presidential election in 2024.
After all, we know that they like to steal elections.
We now know the strategies they're going to use.
Richard Nixon famously had the 1960 election stolen from him, very obviously according
to many, and yet still he came back and served two terms and they had to come out with another
insane way to get rid of him.
That is the way of our globalist political enemies, but the thing is, they've never done
it so brazenly before.
We know exactly what their strategy is.
The legislators across this country are being informed and being educated, and we can absolutely
prevent it from happening again.
And so this is a fun story that dovetails into that nicely, because until then, we should
do what they did to us, and we should stymie and stall and obstruct.
Isn't that what Trump called the other side, the obstructionist Dems?
Well, we should absolutely be the destructionist ours, the obstructionist GOP. A federal judge in the great state of Texas, a Trump appointee earlier today, of course, blocked Biden's planned 100-day deportation moratorium.
That's right. In the middle of a pandemic, Biden was going to send the message to the hordes of migrant caravans that were already on their way up.
Come on in. We won't get rid of you for 100 days.
And in that 100 days, go to a different state, go to a sanctuary county, go find some big business chamber of commerce company to employ you under the table and never come back for your court date.
That was the message that Biden sent, and it has now been blocked for 14 days by U.S. District Judge Drew Tipton.
This came after the Attorney General in Texas, Paxton.
He sued the Biden administration.
Now we will, of course, see what the order is, what comes from the courts.
If these Trump appointees are worth their salt, they certainly were not during the fallout from the fraudulent 2020 election, but perhaps they will be going forward.
Also in today's news, this happened yesterday, but it's still so hilarious.
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler, the guy who has done nothing but coddle Antifa for something like two years now.
I mean, basically, he's treated them with kid gloves.
The only thing he's got going for him is that he didn't let an autonomous zone form in his city.
That's literally the best he could accomplish.
Well, he was in a dining room, a restaurant, an establishment, eating, and he didn't have his mask on.
You're supposed to put your mask on between bites.
I'm pretty sure Fauci said that.
And so one of these little Antifa cretins in Portland goes and confronts him and calls him a fascist and says he's so awful.
And it was a lefty is what we all believe.
And Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler's response was to pepper spray the guy.
So I guess they got rid of Baked Alaska.
Now we've just gotta have the Democrats do it instead.
So I mentioned, of course, President Trump endorsed Kelly Ward.
She went on to win the very next day in a tight race between two people presented as Trump allies.
I believe the real Trump ally won.
President Trump has, of course, also endorsed Sarah Huckabee Sanders in Arkansas.
And I think that this could be a big view of what's to come.
The office of the former president is a hilarious vehicle to do it, but you're already seeing that abandoned in a way, and they're going with the Save America pack run by President Donald Trump.
Which, by the way, how appropriate!
It was Make America Great Again, then it was Keep America Great, now it's Save America, because my God, do we need it.
As we talked about with Jerome Bell earlier in the broadcast, and I hope President Trump will do it, I have a lot of belief that he will because he was spurned and scorned by both McConnell and McCarthy after the January 6th fiasco.
I think that the president has a unique once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that has never been seen before in the United States where he can play kingmaker.
He can do what Obama thought he could do.
Obama, of course, never really had the juice to do it.
You remember the early debates with the Democrats?
It was all about beating up Joe for working for Obama because they said Obama was a fascist.
But Trump has the actual capability, whether it be through his PAC or through his office, has the potential to be a real kingmaker.
One more fun story before we gotta close off.
Missouri Gun Shop in Jefferson City, Missouri, by the name of Trigger Firearms and Reloading, has officially 100% banned Biden voters and Biden supporters from buying guns and munitions at the establishment.
Well, I guess they just violated the gun stores' terms and conditions, or maybe their community standards.
You gotta read those things, people.
You gotta read them. We'll be back tomorrow.
You're watching The War Room.
Stay classy, Info Warriors.
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It starts with being prepared.
It starts with storable food. It starts with digging in with a long globalist fight.
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