Millie Weaver and Jake Lloyd dissect Antifa’s violent November 4th revolution plans, including weapon stockpiles and attacks like the Che Guevara-shirted West Point cadet Spencer Rapone’s radicalization under Dr. Rashid Hossein. Joy Villa recounts Antifa threats at Berkeley, comparing them to cult-like behavior, while Roger Stone frames Trump as a "good king" undermined by military figures like Kelly and McMaster. Troy Churchill reveals how China’s $1.50/hour labor and raw material imports crush U.S. manufacturing, risking economic dependence—highlighting Syngenta and Monsanto acquisitions. The episode ties Antifa’s chaos to broader threats of foreign control and media manipulation, urging preparedness through survival supplies and domestic industry revival. [Automatically generated summary]
So I just met with the guy and he installed a super secret encrypted messenger app on my phone and they immediately took roll call using all pseudonyms such as Firebird, Ski Mask, Xevious, Xevious.
Yes, at the risk of being called a snitch, Not Gay Jared immediately turned the footage over to the authorities, who were already aware of our presence there, by the way.
Turns out they'd been tracking this pansexual slash transgender queer with an axe to grind for a while, and they were grateful for our footage.
The media, on the other hand, who you think would jump on a story like this, well...
Their response is what's most disturbing of all.
He was just down there at President's Circle, and they were handing out sharp objects to stab people with.
Said they had someone come up with an AK. Why did it take two late-night hosts, comedians, to find this out?
Even being shown the footage in the presence of police officers to confirm authenticity, they walked away.
Also, I should note, this is Dan Harris from Nightline, National ABC News.
He knew about the footage and the whole story, too.
I offered it to him and asked for his card.
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We were delivering a story to local and national news on a silver platter which included infiltration, violence, and exposing the roots of a national domestic terrorist organization.
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Protesters flooding the campus.
These are protesters that are against Ben Shapiro.
Well, Steven Crowder definitely said it correctly when he said they're not playing around anymore.
The video showed them handing out knives, talking about sawed-off shotguns.
I've encountered things along those lines.
In Portland, for example, Antifa had a lot of different weapons that the police luckily seized and they kept us cordoned off.
So these people aren't playing anymore.
I've personally been...
Undercover a little bit. I just walked into one of their meetings one time and listened and recorded a little bit and got some info about what they're going to be doing on November 4th.
They plan to be doing a march as well as an Occupy type movement where they're going to be strategically moving around the city and waiting.
So it's a little bit unclear exactly what their goal is.
They definitely say they want to oust the Trump regime.
That's the plan. But they don't necessarily have a plan for what they're going to do after that.
Yes, they don't really have too many plans as far as implementing a takeover, a replacement government.
They just think that they're going to essentially take over Trump's regime and that chaos and anarchy are going to ensue and hopefully they can then input their communist regime.
Well, they plan to day after day, night after night, Occupy these public places and cities and homes of Americans to essentially terrorize Americans into calling for the overthrow of our government.
I don't see how they actually think that this is going to work.
I feel like this is going to actually spark more patriotism, more love for our country and for defending our country.
Well, the frightening thing is that while they have this plan to cause as much chaos, they always chant no justice, no peace until we get whatever we want today.
Whatever's on the agenda. But they're always wanting to overthrow the Trump-Pence regime.
But what I heard in this video, I actually have audio that I'm going to put in a longer form report coming...
Here in the next week or so.
But they talk about, like, well, what are we going to do when we get Trump out?
We just have Pence. Like, no, no, no, we'll get the entire administration out.
But how do we decide who comes next?
They don't even know that there's an entire line of succession for the president.
I don't know how many people it is.
It's like 25 people in line for the presidency.
So after Trump and Pence were to be hypothetically removed, Speaker of the House Ryan would take their place.
And it's just a line... The first, like, 17 or something are Republicans, so I don't know exactly what they expect to accomplish.
Right. One thing, to go along with the cult thing you just brought up, at a lot of these events I've been to, you know, before I worked at InfoWars, I would generally go dressed in neutral, plain clothes or whatever, and I would start out trying to get video.
I would just talk to them, just see what they were about, and then by the end of it, they were calling me nuts and everything.
But I'd always go up and ask them questions.
I would ask them about what they stand for, what they're out there for, and they would literally just hand me a pamphlet and say it's in there.
That's cult-like behavior. That's like these religions that go, you know, Out in public to proselytize like Scientology, a lot of those different ones.
They just hand you a pamphlet and say it's all in there.
That's pretty funny that you mentioned that at UC Berkeley.
And it was like a please don't videotape our faces.
We're having a problem with being doxed.
We don't want to be doxed.
Well, you know what? You wouldn't be doxed if you weren't hitting people over the head with bike locks, if you weren't assaulting people, if you weren't trying to destroy the fundamentals of this country, which is freedom of speech.
People wouldn't feel the need to dox you.
So why don't you stop engaging in that tyrannical behavior and people will stop wanting to find out who you are.
Definitely. And this kind of goes back to the days of Red Scare.
We are actually at a time now, guys, where we should be a little bit concerned about a communist uprising.
When you literally have a group of people saying that on November 4th it begins...
We are going to overthrow.
These people, they put their fists up.
They have red stripes on their left arm.
They are communists, okay, America?
So it's time to wake up and start realizing that we have a problem here.
And you know, the days of the Red Scare...
We had people being investigated for being communists, and I know that they try to make it seem as though, okay, this is bad, we don't ever want to repeat this, which in some ways we can look at that and say, okay, we don't want to go around like a police state and start going and just arresting people for their belief systems,
but what do we do, Jake, to To combat the fact that we have communist militant groups inside the United States right now plotting to overthrow our president that we democratically elected.
What do we do? Well, first, you know, I mean, like you mentioned, McCarthyism may be Maybe Joe McCarthy was a little overzealous, but maybe he had the right idea going into it.
As far as how we combat it now, what I've been doing, I don't refer to Antifa as the real fascist.
A lot of people do that, and the truth is all authoritarian people act the same way.
They start silencing people, destroying private property, etc.
But what I think we need to do is make Marxist a dirty word again.
We need to Make communism as bad as fascism.
be the same level of threat as a fascist.
So we need to have those two words on the same tier because truth be told, as bad as the Nazis were, the Marxist-Leninist regimes are the ones that killed over 100 million people in the 20th century alone.
The Nazis killed maybe 6 million.
That's the estimated number.
So I think that's what I think we need to do going forward is number one.
You know, and I've tried telling these Antifa a dozen times, look, I actually am against fascism as well.
And I know Infowars as a whole is against fascism.
But we also are against communism.
And in fact, what we are for is we are for patriotism.
We are for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the things that secure your right to even have the beliefs and hold the beliefs that you do.
Now, some people are wondering if this is going to fizzle We're good to go.
And it could be a nothing.
But it could also not be a nothing.
It could be something like Ferguson.
It could be something like what we saw at the Boston Free Speech Rally where Joe Biggs and a handful of people went out to stand for free speech and literally tens of thousands of zombie hordes came out there to try and shut them down.
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But so far, all we've seen is that Soviet Russian influence has been colluding with groups such as Antifa, by any means necessary, in underground networks in order to overthrow our government, overthrow the Trump presidency.
But in other news, we also have WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange offered to make a deal to testify to prove that this Russian narrative is simply false and not true.
And what's interesting about this is apparently the word had not even gotten to President Trump that Julian Assange was willing to make this deal.
Right. Yeah, so this comes from PJ Media, this article here.
Julian Assange says he'll provide evidence that the Russian narrative is false in exchange for a pardon.
Now, it makes you wonder exactly what he could be willing to say.
Maybe he's going to say that it was Seth Rich.
Maybe he'll just point to evidence showing that it was somebody within the DNC. We're not sure, but what it does look like is that somebody within the Trump administration is insulating him from this information, just as we've seen them do with multiple other situations.
Representative Dana Rohrabacher had spoken with John Kelly two weeks ago.
And now just on Saturday, President Trump was asked by some reporters about this deal that Julian Assange is offering because Julian Assange essentially made that offer out in the public.
Well, it's concerning because it shows, you know, Rogers talked a little bit about a soft coup going on inside the Trump administration, multiple different attempts to render him ineffective, insulate him from information that could help him pass through his agenda.
So it's very strange.
You wonder perhaps what's motivating these people within the Trump administration to do things like that.
Yeah.
Now, going along with Russia, we have yet another major Russia story falling apart.
And the question now is, when will skepticism be a reasonable thing?
Because every time you point out, like, I don't know about this Trump-Russia thing, you're called a denier, just the same as with global warming.
You're a science denier.
So at what point, how many failed narratives do we need before it starts becoming reasonable to say maybe this isn't true?
The fact is that they've started at a conclusion, and just like Marxism, they've started at a conclusion.
And whenever something proves not to be true, they will work.
They'll change the route that they want to use to get there.
Exactly. And remember, the whole point of blaming this Russian collusion with Trump is just a distraction.
It's like the magician that's waving his hand with his right hand while he's picking your pocket with his left.
It is simply a way to shift the people's attention onto something else while they are hiding the fact that the real collusion that had occurred that was illegal was the collusion between the American intelligence agencies and the Democratic Party leaders.
And that is what will come out as this investigation continues and as we keep digging at it.
That President Trump does take up Julian Assange on this offer and gives him his pardon because really and truly what he's going to find is that Julian Assange is going to show who this leaker actually was and my gut tells me that it is Seth Rich.
I don't know about you Jake but that's what my gut says.
And then, of course, that requires an open investigation further into Debbie Wasserman Schultz and all of the people that could be implicated in the murder of Seth Rich.
Exactly. And that's what's going to end up happening.
So, please, President Trump, please go ahead and take Julian Assange's offer up so we can put this Russian collusion story to rest.
How disgusting it is that these people are going to actually compare the horrible hijackers of 9-11 and the heartache and murders that they cause to people who are being accused of fake news.
And that's the thing. He calls out Zuckerberg right there.
Zuckerberg came out and said, oh, we have evidence that Trump was assisted by Russia buying ads on Facebook.
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Now communism is on the rise in America right now as we know it and as we've been following this communist trend and Antifa trend in the United States we've witnessed some pretty fascinating things but really and truly this video that I have seen As of late, is absolutely shocking and stunning in so many ways.
I was fascinated in a psychological sense by this video that shows Antifa members infighting.
And about what?
Well, let's just go ahead and roll the clip because it really speaks for itself.
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It's in your blood. It's in your DNA. It's in your blood.
It's in your DNA. I mean, this is so ridiculous.
So essentially what's happening here is you're seeing these Antifa members telling this white guy, a white male, which is the most horrible, Horrible privilege to have, apparently, in this country.
That he's engaging in white performativeness.
Essentially, if he doesn't go and punch a Nazi and get physical and risk going to jail, well, he's all talk.
And this is the phenomena of the anti-fascists that we're seeing in this country.
The people who plan to take over the streets come November 4th.
I don't even know where to start with these people.
It just gets more and more ridiculous every day.
They're starting to eat their own.
They've broke up into their own little collectivist groups.
And as collectivist groups do, they break into other little identitarian groups.
And that's what's happening. Speaking of Antifa, we have a new development in the Commie Cadet case.
The mysterious Spencer Rapone, who wore a Che Guevara shirt under his military uniform when he was at West Point.
He wrote, Communism Will Win, in his cover, his military headgear.
And originally that story was broken.
People were pretty mad about it.
And then eventually he came under investigation from the United States military for violating the uniform code of military justice.
He could be removed from the service as well as fined and sent to a year in jail.
But the newest revelation in this case is that this Antifa army lieutenant seems to have been radicalized under Islamist West Point advisor.
Now, this is talking about how Rapone studied under a certain professor at West Point who happened to have many degrees in Islamic studies, so on, so forth, and ended up teaching Western civilization.
how Rapone studied under a certain professor at West Point who happened to have many degrees in Islamic studies, so on and so forth, and ended up teaching Western civilization.
Somebody apparently suggested that he read Che Guevara's book on guerrilla warfare, and he's seen tweeting, let's see if I can find it in here, but he's seen tweeting that, oh yeah, it looks great, but maybe we need to use our own Guerrilla warfare style because Che Guevara was in a certain context.
But it's very bizarre...
How this kid got to this point where he is studying under an Islamist professor after he took this trip to India, that is about the time that he started tweeting out pro-Islam, anti-Western sentiments.
Up on the screen there just a second ago was the tweet thread, I suppose, where he was talking about Che Guevara.
And we've seen a lot of these communist ties in people coming out and protesting and making these statements.
Just as we're seeing this young man that is a military member or maybe was a military member, we don't know if he's going to be discharged.
But we also see that with football players, even with Copernic, how he actually, when you start investigating, he has ties to Black Lives Matter and communism.
Right. Well,
apparently the Packers attempted to include their fans in their protest, and quite certainly that attempt fell flat on its face because the Packers fans, they are Americans, they are patriots, and even the ones that still showed up to one of these NFL games decided that they were going to have their voices heard.
Instead, they chanted, USA, USA! When the Packers asked them to silently hold linking arms in the crowd, but apparently the crowd was not game for that.
They held their hands over their hearts, showing their pride for their country, showing respect for the fallen soldiers that have given their lives for our freedoms that we have today.
Let's show this clip. Yeah, the NFL continues to alienate themselves because at first, like, clearly these people were okay enough with what was going on to show up to the game.
They weren't that angry to where they were boycotting it.
But now after forcibly being involved in this protest, these people are angry.
Like, I doubt that they will end up coming back after this.
You know, it's important to note here that these people here that still decided to go and put their hand over their heart, that's what America's about.
But at the same time, I would still say that if you really wanted to vote as the silent majority, on how the NFL has been disrespecting our soldiers because really and truly it's a disrespect to our veterans to our fallen when you take a knee and you don't respect our flag so when the NFL is essentially disrespecting that aspect I would say the best thing to do is to vote with your wallet and not go at all.
And I know we've seen a lot of people burning jerseys, burning their merchandise, and maybe even burning their tickets or their season passes.
But I don't think I would ever go to a football game anymore at the end of that.
Hundreds of Patriots fans showed up in Boston, I believe, to burn their Patriots jerseys, which is a big deal when Bostonians are burning their Patriots jersey.
It's like a religion to them.
I mean... The NFL's approval rating just got down to a record low 17% after this latest protest.
Exactly. Conservatives are at 11%.
They don't want anything to do with it.
And even people in general are just done with it.
Because when they turn on football, they're tired of seeing the news and the Grammys, the Emmys, every single music video award.
They're tired of seeing it politicized.
So whenever they turn on football, the last thing they want to do is see some spoiled brat protesting and injecting politics into a sport.
What exactly is political correctness and why is it being pushed on the American public?
Well, political correctness is simply a form of psychological manipulation the government uses to control public opinion.
By controlling your opinions, the establishment gets you to not only agree with their agenda, but to also ensure that your government-created viewpoint also influences others in a ripple effect.
This is how the power elite and the government stay in power.
They use psychological manipulation to turn the public into obedient sheeple.
And over time, we lose our ability to distinguish reality from deception.
But how does political correctness and other deliberate deceptions work?
Well, first, the establishment saturates mass media with their agenda they're trying to push until it invades every aspect of popular culture and is accepted as truth, such as global warming, for example.
Then the establishment suppresses any counter-arguments to their agenda by calling critics kooky, nutjobs, racists, or, in the case of man-made climate change, climate deniers.
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Well, according to the liberal lunatics of today, everything American is racist.
And that includes Dr.
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Now they are going after Dr.
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My goodness, Jake, I can't believe this.
I read Dr. Seuss Every other night to my two-year-old son, and I have yet to see a single racist thing in the books, but lo and behold, they say that the racism lies subtly in the illustrations of Dr.
Well, apparently First Lady Melania Trump had donated 10 Dr.
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Now, apparently this is a thing, Jake.
I've looked it up. There's articles out there.
You have these liberal lunatics claiming that Dr.
Seuss is racist.
There was an article that this woman cited when she made this rejection of Melania Trump's saying that this article is the cat in the hat racist was where she was getting some of her opinion from.
Yeah, my favorite Dr. Seuss book when I was a kid was There's a Walk It in My Pocket, and I was not aware that Walk It was a racial slur, so I guess I need to go do penance for that one.
That sums it up. And what you said right there about how they want to use any and everything to just attack the Trump presidency and the Trump family.
And that is so true because apparently, if you guys want to pull up this article here, the Internet sleuths Of the internet have actually found a picture of this librarian that wrote this response to Melania Trump.
She's dressed in the cat-in-the-hat costume attire.
Oh, really? But that was in 2015, so maybe she was confronted by progressives for being a racist for dressing up as a cat-in-the-hat Halloween costume.
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Tom Price is out as Trump administration healthcare chief after outrage over private jet flights.
Now, this was revealed...
Tom Price was using private jets.
He was using taxpayer money to fund them, and he was flying across the United States an awful lot.
It's undeniable that it was a lot.
People were pretty outraged over it.
They kind of lost their minds over it, and originally he just vowed to reimburse them more than a million dollars, and he vowed to reimburse them, but it just got so bad, I guess, that Tom Price just decided that he was going to resign.
Now, it's also interesting because Obama officials also took pricey non-commercial plans.
This is an article from Fox saying that Obama did something similar.
So it kind of begs the question, like, how much is too much?
Is it okay because they did it?
I don't think that Tom Price should be able to waste all this money just because Obama did it, but our perception is all messed up.
You know, I think that our politicians should be more conservative.
I remember watching a video where a politician was getting up and he was confronting the House about their expenses and he says, well, do you know the Muffin Man?
Well, apparently the congressmen and senators know the Muffin Man because we spent some outrageous bill on muffins and coffee and simple things and Really and truly, our politicians do spend a lot of money on the taxpayers' dime, and it's upsetting.
It's upsetting to taxpayers because we're having that money being taken out of our pockets, off of our table, out of our children's mouths, so that these politicians can live frivolously.
Yeah, Trey Gowdy actually questioned several different politicians on this.
I don't remember exactly what the investigation was over, but he really went after them.
He was, you know... He was furious, really, about why people were spending such exorbitant rates on such tiny things, like thousands of dollars for a venue that they didn't even use.
They ended up canceling it, and they didn't get a refund or anything.
That's the fact of the matter, that if you are buying something for yourself with somebody else's money, you have unlimited funds.
You're going to... You're going to buy the most expensive thing with the least amount of quality.
I have heard some criticism on how much money is being spent on security for the Trump family in his administration.
And I have heard that.
But here's the difference here.
We're talking about people spending on frivolous plane rides, muffins, golfing events.
we're talking about the safety and security of the president's family and the reason why his family is so expensive is because he has a rather large family and some people would say well don't protect his entire family maybe just his immediate family him melania and his son baron but the problem with that is we've seen such hatred and disgust and disdain for the the trump family
unreasonably so to where you have the mainstream media and celebrities like madonna going and trying to incite violence incite people to go out and attack them so i would say that this this presidency this administration is at greater risk than the previous administration also the fact of the matter is that the obamas their children were fairly young even in the bush administration the children were fairly young they the trump family are all grown adults i Aside from Barron, there's no children.
They're all business people.
They all own their own business or they have high positions in different businesses.
They have to be traveling a lot to accommodate their duties to their business and they don't have much of a choice because they are under threat constantly from the outside.
Exactly. Threat that they probably wouldn't be had it not been for the fact that their father or their relative, President Trump, is now the President of the United States.
They need to cut our taxes as well, which Trump has talked a lot about in his tax reform policies that he said he's going to push through.
So I really hope that we see that.
I hope we really see the tax reform because Americans don't deserve to be being taxed to death while we have politicians out there spending our money frivolously.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
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The people of Kurdistan have made their decision and entered a new phase.
Let nobody blame us for this.
Instead of threats and punishments, come and let's have a serious discussion and let's give dialogue a chance.
Kurdistan has finally voted to secede from five countries at once, three of which are hostile to the Kurds.
The voter turnout of five million voters representing 28 million Kurds declaring Kurdistan sovereignty reached 72 percent, according to the Electoral Commission.
Turkish President Erdogan declares he will starve the Kurds to death.
Their independence clearly harms Erdogan's plans to become Islam's great caliph.
Could we be facing a repeat of what the Turks, then known as the Ottoman Empire, unleashed on the Armenians in the early 20th century, committing a genocide on one and a half million Armenians?
The Korduen people, who would one day be known as the Kurds, have occupied what is now known as Kurdistan since 189 B.C. Over 2,000 years later, the Kurds gained semi-autonomy in a 1970 agreement with the Iraqi government and then re-established that autonomy in 2005.
The U.S. State Department complains the United States is deeply disappointed that the Kurdistan regional government decided to conduct today a unilateral referendum on independence.
We believe this step will increase instability and hardships for the Kurdistan region and its people.
Iraq's Shiite dominated government in Baghdad has made it clear that they will not recognize the referendum's results and have demanded that Kurdistan surrender its airports.
But it's still unclear how Iraq can prevent Kurdish independence.
Turkey is concerned that the PKK separatists, who have waged an insurgency for three decades, killing more than 40,000 people, will ramp up their reign of terror.
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It's not the matter of fighting against the PKK. It's a Kurdish freedom movement in Turkey.
So his main target is not the PKK here.
His main target is the Kurdish nation in general.
So he's actually mentioned in, I believe, 2006 or 2007, even in South Africa, he would not let the Kurds form a Kurdish nation, a Kurdish state.
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That was fun. That was fun having to tell UC Berkeley students that actually go there that are liberals and that wanted to make fun of the gay frogs.
Oh, did you actually know that the professor...
Tyrone Hayes, the African-American biologist that goes to your school right now, who you can actually go and talk to, is the one that did the study that Alex Jones is even citing regarding the gay frogs.
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We've already been told that the American flag, the Pledge of Allegiance, the National Anthem are all racist.
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And whether he is defeated or whether he is successful, he will always have striven to do great deeds.
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So tonight I want to take as many call-ins as we possibly can.
There's a lot of questions that I get on the internet about the JFK document dump that we're expecting under law if it's approved by President Trump.
There are the shenanigans of the generals, Pettis, McMaster, and Kelly.
An entire breed of generals tied very closely to David Petraeus and all of them earning their stars under Barack Obama, whose political sympathies they share.
There's a whole generation of military officers in this range, yet there are many more able Retired and still men on duty who could serve this president so much better.
In any event, we'll talk about what's going on in the Trump White House or anything else you want to talk about.
Well, I would say right off the bat that I share the caller's loyalty for Donald Trump.
At times I, however, have to think of him as the good king who's being held captive in the castle and kept away from his citizens by the bad guys.
His heart is pure, and his intentions are strong, and he's a fighter.
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There's nobody left in this White House but Stephen Miller.
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Although it is interesting that Mr.
Miller is the Director of Policy Development.
There's the handwriting on the wall for Stephen Miller, a good man, the Minister of Truth, as we like to call him.
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So, the other thing I do want to say, Millie, is that dress is outstanding.
We also have Eliza sitting on hold for you as well.
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Yeah, Eliza. My comment is on the Antifa thing.
Now, I had called in on September 13th into the war room and talked to Owen Schroer about this very thing, about the November 4th riots, and I'm very glad to see that InfoWars is covering this because this was something that I had been concerned about as soon as I saw it, but it didn't seem like Owen took me seriously at all, but I'm very glad to see that Alex basically dedicated his whole show to it today.
Now, I'm not trying to just be like an alarmist or anything.
My main reason for bringing it up was so I could raise awareness amongst the Patriots so that way maybe we could diffuse the situation so that way it doesn't turn into a big national disaster, you know?
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We are really kind of intrigued to see the deep state moving into high gear in the effort for the coming coup d'etat.
As I said in the previous segment, General Kelly and the Quadrant of tight-lipped military aides abetted by Goldman Sachs, bad guy, Gary, I'm embarrassed, Cohen, who should have resigned rather than say that he disagreed with the president's comments on Charlottesville.
Startling act of public disloyalty, in my opinion, are really taking control of the Trump White House in an effort to subvert the agenda that our president favors.
I've seen this before, however, under Ronald Reagan, who was really essentially an outsider, who challenged the Washington status quo.
A brash and handsome westerner from the entertainment industry, who really was guided by principle, took on the establishment favorites like Howard Baker and George Bush with their deep ties to the deep state, CIA, and the old globalist power structure.
And over time, much, but not all of Reaganism was mutated.
Where they let Reagan succeed was in the anti-regulatory and the tax reduction areas, but he fought for those gains.
Now you have people inside, asp in the bosom as it were, who have infected the Trump White House.
People whose credentials on paper are antithetical to their even being there.
Council on Foreign Relations, Goldman Sachs, McMaster, the National Security Advisor, tied to George Soros, tied to David Petraeus, sharing information with both of them according to Israeli intelligence.
The other question here, of course, that is uninterested is something we reported on with Alex Jones yesterday, and that is...
Sources say that the White House counsel, Mr.
McGahn, Don McGahn, very fine lawyer, who is in possession of a report that was compiled regarding an investigation into public drunkenness by General H.R. McMaster.
Now, you will recall that I reported here at Infowars that McMaster went to dinner with Safir Katz, the CEO of Oracle, whereupon he was trying to woo her to become chairwoman of the President's Intelligence Review Board.
It used to be called the President's Foreign Intelligence Review.
And he got sloshed.
He took a call from the President and then came back to the table and denigrated the President, saying that he was like a child, that he was a moron, that he could only think in 140 bytes, and that the idea of Donald Trump with his finger on the nuclear codes was scary.
He, McMaster, felt it was his job to save the country.
So not only is this guy a national security risk, but he's a Soros alum.
He was on the verge of being fired when Priebus was very quickly deposed and General Kelly rose to take his place.
Well, I've always wanted to talk to someone about this.
When I read your book about Johnson, the JFK assassination, your book was probably the first one that I ever read that was almost identical to the story my father told me, or actually he told my mother.
He was a motorcycle cop in the parade, and he was at Johnson's car, and he always said that the Secret Service were on top of Johnson before the shots were fired.
I remember going to Dealey Plaza when I was about four years old, my mom pointing at the school book depository saying, now that's where they say the shots come from, and mom pointing at the grassy knoll and saying, that's where your dad said the shots were going to come from.
In fact, he was going to testify in front of the House Committee on assassinations, but he passed away before he could, fast-acting cancer like several other witnesses.
So I just wanted to I really enjoy all your books, and I want to say you had the story exactly right.
There are, of course, famous photographs, I believe, video of Johnson hitting the deck prior to the first bullet being fired.
And, of course, Rufus Youngblood, the agent, testifies to the Warren Commission, saying that he heard the shot and pushed Johnson to the floor.
After Johnson's death, Youngblood recants and said, well, I said that because the President of the United States ordered me to.
That's the kind of detail you will find in the man who killed Kennedy, the case against LBJ, which I use fingerprint evidence, eyewitness evidence in deep Texas politics to make a compelling case that Lyndon Johnson had the motive,
means, and opportunity to kill JFK. That book was the second largest selling book at the 50th anniversary of the John F. Kennedy assassination, second only to Bill O'Reilly, which is entirely understandable because I don't own my own network as he essentially once did.
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And this, the last best hope for the survival of not only our beloved United States, but indeed our free world.
So I want to take in as many questions today as I possibly can because I watched the masterful Alex Jones do it the other day.
Right now, 29 states have legalized some form of cannabis possession and distribution, mostly for medicinal purposes.
Nine states have what is so-called recreational or wide use of marijuana.
Obama administration made a decision in their Justice Department, ordered by Attorney General Holder, and a policy written by a deputy attorney general called Cole, so the famous Cole memo, essentially orders the feds to stand down where there's a discrepancy between federal law and state law,
and then, under that decision, a legal, state-regulated, fully taxed Thank you.
Thank you.
Now, Sessions and his sidekick Rosenstein, egged on by General Kelly and the FBI director, have all secretly planned an attempt to roll back the clock.
Since 2014, there has been an amendment, the Rohrabacher Amendment, named for my friend and former That would prohibit the Department of Justice from using federal funds for a crackdown on medicinal marijuana.
Out of the blue, after intense lobbying by Attorney General Sessions, the House Rules Committee announced only weeks ago that they would not allow the amendment to be attached.
This was a potential calamity.
Until, at the very last minute, working with the United States Cannabis Coalition, when the emergency appropriation deal was made between President Trump and Senator Schumer and Congresswoman Pelosi,
the Rohrabacher amendment was, with the support of the President and of Schumer, attached to that legislation, meaning medicinal marijuana is safe, Until December.
Caught me in another Marco Rubio moment there.
So what we don't know is I do know that the President has not changed his views.
He said that he supports states' rights when it came to the legalization of marijuana and that he was particularly supportive of medicinal So does he know what his attorney general,
who should be pursuing the Clintons and the Obama NSA for the diplomatic spying and surveillance at Trump Tower and of other Americans, thousands of them according to the Vice Court, and he should be pursuing...
The Clinton Foundation, Bill, Hillary, and yes, that greedy but extraordinarily wealthy young lady, Chelsea.
But instead, he's in court trying to block the release of Hillary Clinton's emails.
What has Jeff Sessions, who I heretofore thought he was a patriot?
Rick Dearborn comes out of his shop.
I like Dearborn, straight shooter.
Rick Miller came out of his shop.
I don't know Miller, but I admire him from afar.
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The Minister of Truth, we call him.
And he is very adroit on his feet when debating the ultra-liberal elitist swine.
Yes, Rogers. We have Brad from Louisiana on the line right now.
Hello, Brad. Hi.
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Hi, Mr. Roger Stone Esquire.
It's really nice to talk to you, sir.
I really appreciate your tenacity and respect it very much.
One of the biggest brouhaha's that seems to be going on aside from Antifa and all of the obvious things is the somewhat Well, for a limited censorship, let's say, that YouTube is placing on a lot of journalists and individuals who prescribe to that particular social media.
I've heard Paul and Alex and Millie and others say that they've been having some problems in that regard.
I see a full censorship with regard to President Trump, with regard to what he sees, what he reads, what he hears by this Kelly guy.
And I would like to know who he thinks he is, or does he have the authority to do this?
And I know that President Trump is nobody's fool.
He knows Sessions not doing what he's supposed to.
He knows that these other men in his cabinet under him are not doing what they're not supposed to, and looking into Clinton and Obama's treasons.
You know, I think Kelly is one of these messianic types like Al Haig, who is, you know, committed to the state and the supremacy of the state and the institution.
And these guys mesmerize themselves.
It is their duty to do what they do.
It was their duty to... Kill JFK. It was their duty to bury Dick Nixon.
It was their duty to take down Trump.
The president is a smart guy, but he's also got a lot on his plate.
And initially, I suspect that he likes the sense of order that comes out of this kind of isolation, particularly when contrasted with the absolute chaos that existed under White House Chief of Staff writes, Priebus. Under Mr.
Penis, I mean Priebus, it was like a stateroom scene from the Marx Brothers, where anybody can walk in or out on the president does not do well for Priebus.
For governing, I must tell you.
So we have to make sure the president is not isolated, and that's very difficult.
There are a few people that he speaks to who tell him the truth, but the globalists have him captured, and they have made it difficult for old friends and associates and other outside advisors to get to him.
Fortunately for us, the president is inquisitive, and he hits the phones himself.
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This is The War Room with Owen Schroer at Infowars.com forward slash show.
Yes, Roger. We have another one sitting on hold for you.
We have Andrew out of Massachusetts.
Hello, Andrew. Hello.
Hello, Andrew. Hi.
What's your question for Roger?
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Hi. Thanks, Millie. My question for Roger is regarding DACA. I'm a small business owner from Massachusetts in the service sector and something that's like really altered business in the last five years since I started What I've been able to see is a lot of our competitors in the service sector utilize illegal labor and DACA just seems to be one of the biggest issues that I feel like would split Mr.
Trump's base for 2020 and moving forward, and just for the agenda in general.
So I was wondering, where do you, Mr.
Stone, sit on, do you think the president is actually being influenced by Pelosi and Schumer, or is this just part of the negotiation?
First of all, let's recognize The Trump administration has been infiltrated.
Among the greatest progenitors of the open borders, free, cheap labor market Koch brothers.
They're libertarians and conservatives until it comes, of course, to their pocket.
And they, and their close allies in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, like those illegals who can be hired under the table or hired for pennies, and they have inserted their man,
Mark Short, who comes out of the Americans for Prosperity appears to be eclipsing Stephen Miller as the in-house issues man for the president.
Policy development, pardon me.
It appears that in a power move, Kelly has taken policy away from the reliable Miller.
We've got 40 seconds, so let me try to answer your question.
It's essential that the president run against the Republicans and the Democrats.
He must run against the two-party duopoly.
He must take on the people that Roy Moore defeated in Louisiana last week.
He must take on the Senate majority leader, the House leader, who seek to undermine the Trump revolution, who can't seem to ever come up with the votes for the packages that they've already watered down anyway.
Thank you. A staunch anti-federalist, Patrick Henry was opposed to the Constitution, fearing it would become a monster that would take over not only the sovereign states that had created it, but that it would become a tool to destroy individual liberty.
His warnings, ignored, have now come to pass.
He said, you're not doing Not to inquire how your trade may be increased, nor how you are to become a great and powerful people, but how your liberties can be secure.
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We have trade deals to manage our economy that not even our elected representatives are allowed to see.
Later in life, Patrick Henry looked back and said, When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different.
Liberty, sir, was the primary object.
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Don't you tread on me Welcome back. I am Millie Weaver, joined by Jake Lloyd, and you're watching The War Room.
Well, we have an amazing guest coming up right now, Joy Villa, the infamous singer that wore the Make America Great Again dress on the red carpets and massively triggered Hollywood.
So I'm really excited to talk to Joy Villa.
But make sure you guys follow Jake on Twitter at VeryJakeNews and myself on Twitter at Millie underscore Weaver.
And it's such a market, though, that's being untapped right now because really and truly we've seen how the NFL has already been hit by how they went out against President Trump, how most Americans do want to support God, our country, our president.
And you have been pretty successful, you know, because you're an amazing singer, an amazing musician, but you're also pro-Trump and you speak your mind.
That's right. So Joy Villa, what do you think about...
I mean, I was actually invited to go to Berkeley and speak, to sing, God Bless America, to open up the stage before Bannon took the stage and Milo Yiannopoulos.
And it was so crazy, the amounts of threats, the death threats.
And the disorganization of everything was just like, I had to cancel because I knew this was not going to happen.
I knew they were not going to ever let us go up there and actually speak our mind.
And that article that I published on Fox News says, Are We Living in 1984?
Referencing the George Orwell classic that was written in 1949 that talks about where free speech is gone and there's now grouped think and it's a dystopian nightmare future.
And unfortunately, in 2017, that's the future we're living in right now.
That's fine. It looks like it's clearing up a little bit now.
But you decided to fight back in one particular way.
You went out and supported President Trump in public in a place where that's not very common.
Now with this NFL stuff that's going on, these players kneeling, disrespecting the anthem, it's leaking into schools with teachers and students kneeling during the anthem.
How do you think that we need to combat this sentiment that's going through the country, this anti-American sentiment?
I can say it's absolutely disgusting, this anti-America sentiment.
And, you know, honestly, I want to read you something I just found out.
I just called DirecTV.
I asked them about their NFL package.
It's $278 or there's a $378 package, right?
Now, there have been 250,000 cancellations thus far.
which is almost a loss of $100 million. dollars.
Wow. So they've lost so many people because of all those cancellations.
I would say that's how we fight back.
We simply take away our money, we take away our attention, and we stop giving them our money, our views, and our integrity and our thoughts and our attention.
Vote with your wallet because that is where you're going to hurt them the most.
They will listen to when their money starts disappearing.
They're going to look at their bank and they're going to scream.
But the real truth here is that Do we really want to spend all our time watching these sports, these movies, this music?
I know it's entertainment. I know we like to do it.
But do you realize that it is a distraction from what we should be paying attention to, which are the policies, the politics, the laws that are being implemented in our nation?
Yes. And that's the thing is so many young Americans, you know, if they don't watch Infowars, they're not getting the real news.
They're just listening to the regurgitation and the echo chamber of what their teachers and the people around them are saying.
And they're all talking bad.
About America, about the president, about anything that's freedom-related.
So America has become a dirty word to them.
They think they should be filled with guilt, white guilt, or, you know, it's all about slavery, and oh no, you know, we have to pity people of color because we were so abusive to them.
They're taught this ridiculous stuff.
When I'm saying, no, you need to empower yourself.
You need to take back your power.
No matter what color or creed you are, you need to realize that we can make America great again.
But that is through unity, and that is through sacrifice of individuality and joining together and saying, let's focus on the message.
But they just want to tear us down.
And they're listening to people who...
Completely hate American values and unfortunately that's what will tear us down than anything else, any other enemy.
It will be the dissolution of people who want to join together.
It will be the breaking up of unity.
So that's what we're fighting against right now.
That's what Infowars is fighting against.
And that's why I'm glad to fight against it as a musician, as a singer-songwriter.
Well, Joy, her feed's cutting out a little bit for us.
Joy, what do you think about how obsessed some of these Berkeley college students are with identity politics and how that kind of rules their whole way of thinking about life?
Well, you know, I'm sure you've probably heard by now about this November 4th.
It begins the planned revolution of the Antifa, by any means necessary groups, that they're the same groups that were out there with Berkeley, you know, with the Antifa that we've been seeing that wanted to go shut down Milo's Free Speech Week, and which Yvette Falarka was even arrested.
Right. Now, these groups are planning to hold a massive protest on November 4th nationwide, day after day after day.
What do you think about this, Joy, and are you a little bit concerned?
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Joy, well thank you for joining us, Joy.
So I wanted to ask you, you had some really good points about 1984 and the problem with these groups, these thugs, Antifa, going out and trying to censor free speech.
Have you had any run-ins personally with them yet?
They just do the most despicable things and they don't think twice about it because remember, if in their minds, their cult-like minds, if they think that you're a Nazi, well, it's 100% fair game.
The gloves are off and they feel like they can kill you and it would be justified.
They call words violence. They believe that voicing opinions different to theirs are violence.
They believe that if you use the wrong pronouns, that's an act of violence.
They believe that merely thinking of doing something different, they don't even need to go that far, but if you merely disagree with them in any way, then that's an act of violence and that justifies a retaliation.
Because as much as they talk about diversity of skin color, diversity of Anything like that, LGBT stuff, as much as they talk about that, the one thing they lack is intellectual diversity.
They do not allow opposing thoughts within their camp.
And I've seen some similarities between people that are in these weird Antifa cults and how their mindset is and how unquestioning they are of their leaders and how they won't even engage in conversation with you.
With also the groups of Scientology, because I've looked a lot into Scientology because they are in Hollywood, and boy, you don't want to get on their bad side because they will gang-stalk you to death.
They are a vicious cult.
So I'm seeing some similarities in cult-like behavior, so I'm wondering where the overlap might be with Hollywood and some of their cults mixed with this Antifa, because they're so rampant in California in general.
Well, I wouldn't say Scientology is a part of that.
It's funny because actually people who talk bad about Trump also talk bad about Scientology.
I've studied Scientology myself and have many friends who are Scientologists.
So that's one of the other groups that has been told is a cult.
You know, people will say that that's a cult.
But the real cults, you don't know their name.
You don't know who they are.
So the fact that the mainstream media will attack certain groups, you already know if the mainstream media is attacking them, they're not as bad as you think and they're probably fine.
We're running out of time. We will be back after this short break.
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I'm Millie Weaver with Jake Lloyd, and we have been joined with Joy Villa, the beautiful singer that wore the Make America Great Again dress on the red carpet and triggered the heck out of the Hollywood elites.
Well, Joy, if you're still on the line with us, do you have any final thoughts on the Berkeley Antifa and their November 4th planned revolution?
A little bit too convenient, indeed. Tsk, Tsk, Skype.
Okay. Well, anyway...
Speaking of making America great again, one of the things that we need in order to make America great again is we need to bring back manufacturing.
That is a huge part of bringing back our jobs and making it so that Americans can rely on the manufacturing industry to compete worldwide.
And right now we have this problem where the manufacturers have all but went overseas because the way that the competition works, you have to in order to survive.
And we're going to be talking with Troy Churchill, who has been manufacturing and in the manufacturing industry for over 25 years.
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He's been a consultant for manufacturers worldwide, and he knows exactly why and what happened to manufacturing in America.
And hopefully he can give us some insights on what we need to do to bring it back so that we can make America great So do we have Troy on the line?
Good to see you, Troy. So do you want to tell the listeners a little bit about yourself, some of the companies that you've created and your experience in manufacturing?
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Yeah, I'll keep it short, but I've been making skateboards, snowboards, machinery for, well, since about 1991, too, something like that.
And we've had anywhere from, you know, myself solely to up to 100 people working for us from time to time throughout the years.
Today, we're down to just a few, and...
We mostly manufacture specialty machinery for factories that are producing things, and other than some U.S. government contracts, most of the machinery that we manufacture is for overseas factories, and it's very short production runs that usually get copied and taken over by companies.
You know, a much more affordable labor rate on building stuff.
We just don't have the infrastructure anymore to manufacture what we do, at least not on the smaller manufacturing scale.
You know, some of the bigger corporations might still have some power and some leverage, but on a small scale, we're not making nearly as much as we could be in this country.
So I was having a conversation in Berkeley the other day with some of these anti-fascists and I was trying to explain to them how in manufacturing nowadays we have this problem where it's more efficient to go ahead and hire people overseas and move your companies overseas than keep the businesses in America.
Can you explain to us how that happened and what are the differences in wages for Americans versus foreign workers?
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Yeah, there's a big difference in wages.
Of course, you know, we're one of the higher wage countries to pay out for at least machine and mechanical labor where we need to make something.
We need some repetition type work.
So Mexico, of course, is sort of the step over for companies trying to stay local and not get into the transportation issues that you might have with further countries like Asia, China, things like that.
The differences are huge.
Here, we have a lot of regulations and insurance issues that we need to take care of.
So in Mexico, for instance, maybe I'll pay about $1.50 an hour would be like an average wage for, say, a factory worker in Baja area, you know, say Tijuana or local areas, Mexicali.
And it can be a little bit lower and it can be a little bit higher, but if you're an American company going to Mexico, then you really do need to keep, I guess, the economy down.
You've got to keep it kind of balanced. You can't just take and come down and pay, well, we pay $17, $20 an hour here.
Paying $5 an hour in Mexico would be great.
We save a lot of money, but then that ruins the local economy.
The government frowns on it, and they kind of mandate that we keep our labor rates as a U.S. company low so that the local manufacturing that's going on down there for the Mexican people, they can, of course, afford to pay their people and not get gouged out by American companies that are taking advantage of it.
So basically, in Mexico, they have a maximum wage so that American companies, when they go there, they can't try to pay more than Mexican companies are paying.
But whereas in America, we have minimum wage requirements, which make it harder for manufacturers that are staying in America to compete with these guys that are going across the border to manufacture.
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Yeah. Yeah, and that's good for us because as an American company, we're not expected to pay more, I guess, would be a nice offset to that.
So it's an interesting twist.
We manufactured one specific product as skateboards.
Of course, it's a wood, laminated wood product.
Most of the wood is indigenous to New England states, Canada.
the glue systems and all of the raw materials are pretty local, which kept it sort of tied to the U.S. for a little while.
But then China figured it out.
They realized that they could bring wood over in empty containers from Canada to factories in Asia and then actually still produce a much cheaper product due to labor.
It's a very kind of labor-intensive manufacturing process.
Then they bring the product over here, and we still can't compete, even as having the raw materials local.
So that's a really interesting twist.
And then of course we mix in government regulations and all kinds of different variables that are pressed on manufacturing specifically in the U.S. and East Coast and West Coast.
So now we've heard that Trump has talked a lot about creating tariffs, making it so that these companies that want to move overseas, that then when they ship their products back, so people shipping from China, people shipping from Mexico that are manufacturing there with that labor, those people would have to pay a tariff or a tax in order to kind of balance out the market so that American businesses aren't It was such a tough competition.
Do you think that that is going to fix the problem or what's your solution in this?
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Coming from a smaller manufacturing entity, you know, someone that doesn't have a giant corporation and subsidies and lobbyist control and things like that behind me and other business, I don't know what the percentage is of, you know, sort of the middle class business in the U.S.,
but for us to We're good to go.
Allow businesses to hire people.
That's really one of our biggest issues.
How can we hire more people without heavy regulations?
But also be fair to the working, you know, the working populace.
We can't just take advantage.
I mean, we've got unions, we have workman's compensation insurances, and we have a lot of things to really kind of incentivize the employee, and then the employer has to make up for all of that.
They have to sort of figure out how to incorporate that into their product.
Our manufacturing industry has been hit so hard by these unfair trade deals like NAFTA. And if the TPP would have went through, that would have been really bad as well.
But we're going to be continuing on with this interview on the other side of this break with Troy Churchill, who has been manufacturing for many years.
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I'm Millie Weaver with Jake Lloyd, and you're watching The Warm Room.
We are filling in for Owen Schreuer and we are talking about making America great again.
MAGA and what that really means.
And one of the things that we need to discuss when talking about making America great again is manufacturing because a lot of our manufacturing is moving out of the country if it already hasn't yet.
So we have Troy Churchill on the line with us, who has been manufacturing for many years, and Troy is giving us an insight into the manufacturing industry in the U.S. Now, Troy, I'm hoping that you can kind of give us a little bit of background as to what you witnessed.
You saw this manufacturing boom in our economy where we had all this manufacturing, and then it just all got sucked out.
How did that happen?
Can you tell us about it, those of us who weren't around for it?
Please explain it to the millennials who didn't experience it firsthand.
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Yeah, it's funny. I mean, so few people grow up in factories anymore, and it used to be a way of life for a lot of people.
But we ran into it with just regulations.
You make something, and people buy it, and then you make more, and hopefully they buy more.
And pretty soon, maybe if you're lucky, you have a large-scale production, and everything's going along great.
As we get more government, as we get more regulations, as we need cleaner air and we need a better working environment for people, you start getting regulations.
And that really comes down to heavy over-regulations.
Of course, we have to have clean air.
Of course, I mean, we're the leader, I think, trying to set an example.
So we're going to get really hit heavy.
But then the byproduct of that is we lose our production here.
And all of a sudden, it's cheaper for companies, say myself even, to go overseas.
I'm next... Looking at going to, say, China to make a product.
They can make it a lot of times faster now.
They can make it as good in most cases with a little bit of quality control checking here and there.
And then also it's able to be landed at your door for a better rate than we can even conceive of.
So the infrastructure at this point probably is reasonably damaged, and that's why President Trump is hopefully focused on figuring out how to circumvent that.
You raised a really interesting point right there.
You said people used to grow up in factories.
I know that my grandfather used to work.
He worked at a factory all his life, and then my dad ended up working at the same factory as he was a young man before he moved to Texas.
So it was kind of a way of life.
That entire town was employed by one or two factories at that point.
Now, a lot of people these days say that the United States economy has moved past manufacturing, that we don't need it anymore, we're more in a service-based economy.
What is your response to those people when they say things along those lines?
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I think if you break it down, we want to make stuff.
I mean, that's what it's all about.
I mean, that's what made, allegedly, America sort of a great place, right?
We make things. We make things.
Great automobiles.
At one time, we had the highest labor rate in the world.
We paid more to the people that worked at these companies than the rest of the world paid the people in their factories, and yet we were still able to sell at a better price and able to...
Make a better quality product.
So how did we pay more money to people to build these products in the past and then still were very competitive in both quality and price with these products?
What happened? Where did it go wrong?
What is the negative here?
And I think really it just comes down to the fact that Let's break it down to this.
We have two entities, sort of, in the commercial world, really.
We've got an employee and an employer.
Employer is going to be a mom-and-pop shop, smaller amount of people working with them.
And then, of course, there's the big corporations.
And the big corporations have still really strong potential to For making money in the U.S. because they have subsidies and maybe a little bit more support from local regulations and government agencies.
But at the end of the day, it's going to be tough to bring it back.
It's just not reasonable to jump back in and make something here and be competitive.
I don't know how we can be competitive at this point with the amount of regulations that we're forced to check.
And I have lots of examples that may be interesting, but for right now, that pretty much is it.
How is it that it used to be, you know, efficient to manufacture in the U.S., and now it's not?
What changed? Is it just that China has become more competitive and more regulations?
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Yeah. Great. It's a great question.
And the only thing I can put together on that is, for whatever reason, whatever the government structure is in, say, China, they seem to support the businesses in the country.
Their local businesses are important to them.
They subsidize them with shipping.
We all know this, right?
You go on eBay, you buy a cell phone case for 99 cents, and somehow it gets to you with free shipping included at 99 cents.
That same cell phone case to ship here is $2, $3 to ship minimum, not to mention the cost to make it and the materials.
So that's a very unusual thing.
And for us to ship that same product to China is going to be, and I'm going to take a guess at this, but it's going to be somewhere between $10 and $25.
You know, it's really difficult to ship products out of this country because they're subsidized.
And that's a very interesting thing to look into is how they subsidize shipping.
That's very difficult for us to compete against.
And now with the online communities there, do people really care if it comes from the USA or not?
You know, you want Amazon and, you know, it doesn't really tell you maybe necessarily where it comes from.
Manufacturing is no longer needed in the U.S., which I don't agree with this.
I'm just saying hypothetically.
And we get rid of our manufacturing.
We move a lot of our production out overseas to other countries.
What happens if, let's say, a global...
Arrangement is made where you have all of these other countries deciding in a United Nations type fashion to kind of all come together under a global government and decide that they're going to start putting sanctions on nations that want to remain sovereign like the United States.
You know, it's important for the United States to be sovereign, to have its independence, to be self-sufficient.
If we're going to claim that we're a sovereign nation, well, are we really a sovereign nation if we're held hostage to having our manufacturing, our supply of goods overseas?
I mean, China, for example, ChemChina, which is owned by the People's Republic of China, owns Syngenta, which is a chemical company.
And this chemical company owns a large percentage of the herbicides that we spray on our crops.
And they even have been looking at and have recently bought out Monsanto.
So when you have China, who now has bought up over 30% of the world's food supply, the ability to farm and produce agriculture, That's a major move that they're making on a strategic board, okay? And what's going to happen to the United States if we continue to allow our manufacturing to leave and to allow these big players like China and Russia to have these advantages over us?
unidentified
It's a great question.
What if the door gets closed, right?
What if there's a sanction where they shut the door?
China no longer can import products.
I think it's going to have a devastating effect both ways.
They're going to have a difficult time not having the U.S. as a vendor, and we're going to have a difficult time trying to compete with a product that we can't make or that maybe we lost the manufacturing skill to make.
I don't know if people want to work in factories anymore.
It's kind of a dull, boring job.
It's very repetitive. I think?
China was maybe a third of what we were paying in Mexico, and now they're, I think, about double labor costs.
And what would keep China from deciding they're all of a sudden going to hike their labor rates and make it so that American businesses then go out of business so that then they could only sell their products through Chinese businesses?
Once they know that all our manufacturing is in their country, What's to say they're not going to pull the rug out from underneath American businessmen as well?
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Yeah, I suppose it, you know, depending on the scale that that intention would exist, it's a real possibility.
What are we going to do when we can't make a metal part or an injection molded part because we've lost all the machinery?
I mean, China's gulped up a ton of machinery.
Here in Southern California, we used to have a very large...
Military leftover machinery.
We could buy machines all day long from military companies that have closed up and moved out.
There used to be a lot of manufacturing here.
There's nothing now. The machinery dealers are all essentially gone.
Used machinery is really small scale now.
You know, something you'd put in your garage or something.
The factories are smaller and we are a service industry.
So if we do have to come back and bring it back here, I think it's going to be a more than a one-term process and it may be a Right.
Exactly. You know, at least we should have our weapons being manufactured and made in America.
And hopefully, Trump, we have the right president for the right job.
He's going to make America great again.
Well, you know, that's all for today, folks.
Thank you so much for tuning in to us on The War Room.
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