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Jan. 23, 2025 - On Brand

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OB #96 - Rob Schneider

Comedian and actor turned alt-right activist Rob Schneider came on Russell's show to complain about being cancelled but also to point out how noble a sacrifice he and Russell have made in 'giving up' Hollywood. Support us on Patreon! Buy an On Brand magnet handmade by Lauren!

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	Where did this guy come from?
	It's like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the laboratory?
	That's a sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream, assuming it was just the key.
	Now, these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win, win, win, win, win, win, win.
	This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one, Russell Brand.
	I'm Al Worth, and each week I go through an episode of Brand Show with my co-host Lauren B. That's me, I'm Lauren B. And I have no idea what we'll be getting into today, but it's usually bad.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	And Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing this week?
	Ah, well...
	It stems from our live stream and our listeners, Scorpion the Bird, suggesting that we look into the Creator Accountability Network.
	Or CAN, as the acronym is called, which is confusing as a fan of the band CAN. Messes me up every time.
	But I looked into it.
	I don't know if we've talked about this on Maine.
	Have we?
	Do you remember?
	I don't think so.
	I've talked about it, but I can't remember where.
	Since we are...
	I'm in the U.S. and you're in the U.K., they don't really have...
	The laws are different as far as defamation, blah, blah, blah.
	All that kind of stuff.
	It's a different whole set of laws in the UK.
	So basically only US creators can get certified, can get accredited.
	Right, accreditation.
	That's the one, yes.
	And I was really bummed and I was like, oh no, we can't do that.
	And I kind of just like, because I...
	I asked months ago, months and months ago, I looked into it, and they're like, well, it's kind of an on-the-fence case, but I can still get accredited as an individual, so our podcast can't be accredited, but I can.
	And I am kind of also speaking a little soon.
	By Friday, if you're listening by Friday, I should be provisionally accredited because I've got...
	The session's scheduled this week, and I'm so glad.
	Scorp the bird?
	We're like, Scorp the boss, thank you for giving me a reason.
	And also, yeah, I'm putting my own iPad together after holiday time, which, if I'm being honest with myself, crunch time starts at about...
	It's before Halloween.
	I'm not.
	Okay.
	Anyway.
	Yeah.
	So, I'm still kind of putting everything back together and catching up on everything.
	So, yeah.
	I'm really stoked that that will be a thing.
	And, yeah.
	And thanks, guys, for the nudge.
	Yeah, for the reminder.
	And I'm looking forward to hopefully when Can expands internationally, then the whole podcast can be accredited.
	That'd be great.
	I would love that.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, of course.
	But genuinely, there's no reason to not get involved.
	I mean, you can still reach out from anywhere because they, from what I understand, they keep anything that you submit to their website on file.
	Like, you can find something, I don't know, sketchy or weird, and they kind of deem worthy of just mentioning or too impeding.
	Like, when someone comes to that organization, then that'll be on file.
	So, like, if a creator comes to that organization or somebody else that maybe had a similar experience or just noticed something untoward that doesn't really, you know...
	jive with their because they also they post all their kind of like standards and ethics and stuff it's all on the website so yeah it's a good thing around yeah and it's yeah so don't let that necessarily preclude you from engaging um if you are not in the u.s but just you know there are limits right now but also the more you engage and the more like people reach out because they do volunteer stuff
	so like um if you reach out and you're not in the united states then they might be able to like you might be able to help them expand into your country if you have if you can't if you can Like, if that's a thing.
	If you can.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	We can.
	Yes.
	What's your good thing?
	Puns, apparently.
	No, my good thing was also brought up on the live stream, and it's been helping me kind of get through the week, and that's the sweary coloring book that I received for Christmas, which was, yeah, I've just been like, as I've been listening.
	It made a feature on the live stream.
	It made a feature, yes.
	It's quite a kind of like nicely done kind of coloring book with like...
	Swear words as, like, the main kind of thing and then, like, pretty kind of drawings and stuff around them.
	And, you know, it can be quite a cathartic experience, but it's been very helpful kind of...
	Particularly, like, I don't know, coloring in various swear words while listening to Russell talk.
	I'm like, yeah, you know what?
	This feels right.
	There is something about this that feels correct.
	But it's also just generally been kind of helping me maintain a kind of state of zen while I've been engaging with his nonsense for the last week.
	Particularly in the run-up to, like, you know, inauguration and everything like that.
	We're like, oh, God, okay.
	So, yeah, that's been nice.
	Yeah, I mean, we don't know, right?
	Like, we don't know.
	As far as the election, there was certainly a live stream, but I don't know how robust I'd say that Russell's coverage was.
	But also sometimes it is.
	That's the thing.
	It can be kind of a crapshoot.
	I'm interested to see how Russell decided to handle...
	This.
	We have options.
	You know?
	We have options.
	In terms of covering it, I'm still waiting for some of the dust to settle.
	Oh, sure.
	He was at the Maha Ball that went on yesterday.
	He did attend that in the evening.
	He was in DC for the thing.
	Um, and yeah, he, he did, um, he did a little bit of a bait and switch for me, to be honest.
	Like he, he, he said there was going to be a stream for like, um, for, you know, Trump inauguration stream.
	And what it actually turned out to be was like basically a normal episode of his show.
	Um, and he decided that for some reason that was going to be the good moment to start really getting into the subject of Israel, Palestine, um, with two guests, um, one Israeli, one Palestinian.
	It's a whole thing.
	Oh, we will come.
	We will.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we will cover it.
	But yeah, there were a lot of decisions that came down the pike yesterday.
	I was like, why?
	Just, why?
	Why this?
	Why now?
	And like, yeah, there's going to be a lot to discuss next week, I think.
	It was just a live stream that happened during the inauguration, but was not in any way.
	It was just his normal show.
	It was his normal show.
	It was like 10 minutes late.
	Yeah, you know, because, like, he was busy watching the actual inauguration that happened, because he's supposed to go live at, like, five or whatever, which was when the inauguration was happening, and it's like, oh god, okay, okay, this is what we're doing.
	Yeah, I was, like, the way he presented it was much more of a, like, hey, watch the inauguration with me, and that's not what that was.
	That's not what that was at all.
	That sounds like, yeah.
	Alright.
	Bait and switch.
	So, yeah, but we'll get into that.
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	And this last week, we discussed the SA allegations against Neil Gaiman and Amanda Palmer's role in all of it, as well as the patterns relative to Russell and broader patterns societally, and what a way to start the year!
	Yeah, I mean, it might sound like a bummer, but I think that...
	Pointing out how this happens generally, for you, individual listener, it might help you identify this kind of stuff if you see it happening.
	And your ideas are as good as mine or Al's as far as what to do about it or what has worked or just even commiserating with...
	That genuinely, I don't have attachment really to these people that are implicated.
	I mean, I'm aware of their content, but that's kind of where it stops for me personally.
	But I know a lot of people are really hurting.
	And I am sad about that for y'all.
	It's never fun.
	Never fun, never easy to hear this kind of thing about someone who you trusted.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think at the end of the day...
	Trust is kind of what it comes down to, unfortunately.
	Yeah, a lot of it, yeah.
	And kind of, like, examining that and kind of the pedestal that these people were put on and the trust that was abused and then, like, the underpinnings of, like, the Scientology side of it and all of that.
	There's a lot to discuss.
	Yeah, that is interesting.
	And, yes, we're very much commiserating as a community.
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	Alright, so this last week, Russell has primarily been talking about vaccines, kind of the usual shit, Mark Zuckerberg and the LA fires a bit more.
	Mostly, he's been peddling in the same alt-right conspiracies as everyone else in that media sphere, though he did post a social media video comparing the situation to Sodom and Gomorrah and insinuating that the fires happened because we have lost our connection to God.
	To put it mildly.
	Not the best take.
	I will point out that Russell does this with almost anything negative these days.
	It's become a pattern for him.
	Like, if anything bad happens in the world, it eventually comes down to us not being godly enough.
	And if you want to fix the situation, well, you better get with God!
	And I mention this not to excuse him in any way, or hand wave this particular instance away or anything.
	It's gross and fucked up and he shouldn't be doing it.
	I mention it more to point out just how normalized it's become in Russell's world, which is insane in of itself.
	That this is just a standard fallback for him now.
	It's like, well, God.
	I mean, that's Jim Baker shit.
	That's Pat Robertson shit.
	That's Jerry Falwell shit.
	James Dobson shit.
	And frankly, they offer more entertainment value.
	Right!
	Right, that's it!
	Russell, you don't have the goods for this.
	No, no, no.
	It's very strange.
	In terms of alarming takes as well, I am somewhat more concerned with Russell signing on to the idea that the fires were the fault of Gavin Newsom because he spent too much time focusing on DEI and climate change while also insinuating it's partially the fault of a lesbian fire chief.
	He's doing that as well.
	Yeah.
	Honk shoe.
	Honk shoe.
	These are the...
	Oh my god.
	It's like not even an interesting argument.
	Oh, so played out.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There's a bunch of shitty things that he's signed on to here, but none of them are especially unique.
	And he also didn't actually spend that long talking about it, so the LA fires won't be our focus.
	Plus, he's promised a conversation with Michael Schellenberger diving into all of it in the future, so yay, we may have that to look forward to.
	Oh, spurious conjecture.
	Excellent.
	Yeah.
	Fantastic.
	We also have the inauguration thing to look at, but I'm waiting for more of his content on it to kind of follow up.
	Instead, what we'll be looking at this week is an interview that I sort of didn't expect.
	In fact, it's Russell interviewing another comedian.
	Lauren, would you like to take a guess at who the comedian might be?
	Lenny Bruce.
	I would watch the shit out of that.
	George Carlin.
	He's whipping out the Ouija board.
	Well, I mean, maybe a couple of years ago he might have.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, let's find out.
	Okay, as ever, let's let Russell introduce the guest.
	Why did I say the serious answer?
	Oh, no!
	And I have made a small edit in this one just to cut out two minutes of Russell selling Rumble Premium to the masses.
	But here's the intro.
	I don't want to.
	Hello there, you awakening wonders.
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	And it's an extraordinarily special episode that we're bringing you because I've got a fantastic conversation coming up with Rob Schneider.
	Rob Schneider, you may know from SNL, from all of his Sandler movies, or from his puckish playful spirit.
	You may have seen him recently in alternative media.
	You may have seen him talking increasingly about political issues.
	What I know about Rob Schneider is he has this incredible sense of play about him.
	In our conversation...
	We talk about Hollywood, what it's like to feel embraced by the culture and celebrated and then rejected and purged.
	It's an extraordinary experience and a brilliant conversation.
	I gotta go!
	I gotta go!
	It's a reasonable response.
	Reasonable response.
	Okay, so...
	So, Deuce Bigelow Male Gigolo Rob Schneider is the guest this week.
	And I did think this was interesting for a number of reasons.
	Like, firstly, his and Russell's career has taken a very similar trajectory.
	Like, if you put the allegations to one side, both of them were comedians, and then Hollywood actors, and then both kind of got stale, and their stock price fell drastically.
	Both of them then went vocally anti-vax, and now both of them exist in the kind of alt-right media sphere, right?
	And both of them have also taken quite the religious pivot in recent years as well, which is an interesting little parallel.
	And not only that, but they were also in a movie together, Bedtime Stories from 2008, Adam Sandler vehicle.
	And yeah, they've kind of crossed paths.
	It's a lesser Sandler, I assume, that's.
	Yes, yes it is.
	Yes it is.
	It did okay, but kind of like a shitty version of Jumanji, so far as I could tell.
	Yeah, and they've crossed paths a number of times already, essentially.
	And beyond that, what occurred to me was that, like, I've heard Rob Schneider be objectively bad at comedy quite a bit over the last few years, but what I haven't heard is what he actually thinks.
	Like, the thoughts going on inside his brain.
	Like, what does Rob Schneider actually think about the world beyond alt-right talking points and banal one-liners, you know?
	You lucky duck.
	Wasn't he at Maha?
	He was, yeah.
	He was just kind of comparing and just doing little bits of, like, he didn't give a speech or anything.
	It's, like, introducing people.
	Posting.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so, yeah.
	And needless to say, like, if this conversation was happening 20 years ago, what we'd be looking at is, like, two of the kind of premier comedic talents, like, in the Western world, really?
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	From a certain perspective.
	You've already said Deuce Bigelow, male jiggle.
	Listen, I don't think that we were...
	I don't think we were putting...
	Too much stock in Rob Schneider at that point.
	I mean, I don't think that was like the height of art in anyone's estimation.
	That's fair.
	I think they're doing well.
	They're doing well.
	Yeah, he was still kind of doing okay-ish in the early to mid-2000s, I think.
	Still hanging on there.
	But nonetheless, I went into this conversation with pretty high expectations of like, well, regardless how this goes, it should at least be entertaining in some way, right?
	The theory.
	That's funny.
	Oh, you just, yeah, you're right.
	You haven't been paying attention to what he's been doing lately.
	Well, I'm just like, I don't sit down and watch Rob Schneider in an actual interview at any point, you know?
	Well, I just, I mean, okay, and I, all right, for the record, I don't either, but, I mean, yeah, he's been making the rounds for, like, several, I mean, at least since 2020, several years now, so, I mean, just because of the My Media Diet,
	and, like, I, I don't want to be telling tales out of school.
	I feel like that's the vehicle.
	They talk about it a fair amount?
	But, yeah.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm really kind of tired today.
	So it's a little bit of a slurry.
	I'm keeping it together.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm not Googling Rob Schneider clips, is what I'm trying to say.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	That's reasonable.
	That's entirely reasonable.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But my hope was like, okay, you've got two comedians who can maybe kind of play off each other a little bit, have a bit of chemistry going.
	But let's take a look.
	So here's how the interview opens, right, and we get to the first big subject.
	Rob, thanks for joining us.
	Thank you for your leadership during all these crazy years.
	All I want...
	Thank you.
	I only want to discuss daddy-daughter trip.
	That's the only thing I want to discuss today.
	It came up on...
	I'm not interested in censorship.
	I'm not interested in SNL. I'm not interested in making the movement from mainstream to the periphery.
	I'm not interested in the concept of coolness.
	You know, like how, like, uh, sort of some people are sort of, like, I'll tell you when this came to my mind, Rob, is when I was at the RNC and I was there at that minute when Hulk Hogan tore off his top and went, my president!
	And I thought, oh my god, what is this?
	What am I part of now?
	And, and then I thought, well, how is this really any different from George Clooney, you know, sort of like, or Taylor Swift or anyone?
	You know, the idea of a celebrity endorsement.
	The idea of there being hierarchies and categories of cool.
	Now, one of the people that you've...
	It exposed what it really was.
	It's all performance.
	It all is.
	It's all a theatre.
	It just...
	What it did is I think it's at least...
	For one thing, our side isn't being paid.
	Unlike the Oprah Winfrey.
	I mean, I was talking to one of her friends recently, because when she lied and said, like, you may never get to vote again if you don't vote for Kamala.
	And I was like, that is just such a blatant, bold-faced, ugly lie.
	It's one thing to want to support somebody, you know, because you're a lifetime Democrat or whatever, but to somebody to just lie that blatantly, there's just got to be something behind it.
	I want to know what the thinking was there.
	Yeah, not a big fan of blatant lies is Rob Schneider.
	Okay, now we know.
	Gail, why are you talking to Rob Schneider?
	I don't like that.
	Yeah, right.
	Telling tales out of school.
	Which of these friends?
	Who was this?
	I need names.
	Name names, Rob.
	Yeah, I don't want to speak for Oprah Winfrey, but if I were to guess, I would say the thinking there is that Donald Trump is an autocratic dictator who has just been given back the reins of power, and there is not an inconsiderable possibility that he'll attempt to do the same thing as his buddy Vladimir Putin and just fucking stay there.
	But, we'll see.
	Yeah, maybe we're identifying why Lauren's tired today.
	Yeah, I was gonna say.
	A lot of news!
	It's been a big couple of days.
	So Russell, while at the RNC in the summer, was clearly watching Hulk Hogan ripping off his shirt and being like, oh, fuck, what have I aligned myself with here?
	How have I ended up in this situation?
	What a way to say, I had the right thought, and then I threw it away.
	Because, like, an unprompted defense of, well, coolness doesn't matter anyway.
	What even is coolness?
	Like, that says a lot.
	I mean, well, also Hulk Hogan.
	Proof.
	Yeah.
	Like, man, you can be really cool and then not cool at all.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I, um, yeah, wow.
	Um, so I would say that, like, Rob Schneider is kind of correct that, like, these things are all, like, celebrity endorsements and everything.
	Like, they are all theatre and performance, um, like, designed to invigorate, like, a voter base.
	Like, sure, like, I'll agree with that kind of broad statement.
	Um, but yeah, I was amused by, uh, his contention that no one on the right has gotten paid for their...
	for their endorsements or performances.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because, like, this isn't the first time he's made this claim.
	Like, he said this while performing stand-up in support of Donald Trump, you know, that he's not getting paid to be there and blah, blah, blah.
	And that's interesting to me because Rob Schneider, prior to jumping on the Trump train, was on the RFK Jr. train and was performing at that same fundraiser in Nashville where Russell was paid $67,000.
	Yeah.
	So by Rob's telling of it, he may have done that gig for free, if he's being honest here.
	Like, which I'm like, either everyone else is getting paid and you aren't or you're lying.
	It's one of those two.
	Man.
	Yeah.
	God, what?
	Is it like the Harlan Crowe?
	Here's the thing.
	It would have to be such an elaborate scheme for the Harlan Crowe paying for Clarence Thomas's life.
	Allegedly.
	Is, like, is someone buying you, like, a yacht and, like, sending your family to college?
	Yeah, like, is this some kind of back channel?
	Renting you a house for a dollar?
	So technically you're not getting paid?
	That seems, like, it seems checkable.
	Fairly, you know, like, it should be.
	It might be.
	It should be.
	It should be.
	Yeah, the only reason we found out about Russell's was thanks to some reporting.
	So, I don't know.
	We should learn about it, I'm sure.
	Hopefully.
	Why pick that thing?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's real weird.
	Real weird.
	So one thing I was also curious about was what the dynamic would be between these two.
	Because, you know, some guests Russell seems to worship, others he doesn't give a shit about.
	And then there's the Stephen Crowder's, you know, which is tense and mildly hostile.
	So I wondered where...
	Should've been fistfight.
	Yep.
	Should've been boxing.
	Yep.
	1% fights.
	I'm still on board with that.
	CEO fights, whatever we can make happen.
	So, yeah, I wondered where Rob Schneider would fall with Russell, and I think this next clip is fairly representative while also discussing, like, a piece of classic cinema.
	So there was all this artifice.
	It also reminds me of, like, that thing in The Godfather where Michael Corleone is talking to Diane Keaton's character, and she says, you know, but that's, your father is doing these horrible, You know, that scene.
	And he said, how naive is that?
	That your father, you don't know what your father is capable of doing?
	And then he explains, Michael Corleone says, yes, but my father's not anything different than a senator or a president or a governor.
	And she says, that's naive.
	And she said, well.
	Who's naive now?
	I think I'm butchering that scene completely.
	She goes, congressmen and senators don't have people killed, Michael.
	And he said, now who's being naive?
	And I think, yeah, we're seeing that sort of, really, that's what's been exposed, is like, say if you watch the Democratic Convention.
	I like my shitty version, too, where I mean, you couldn't remember it.
	You know where Michael's talking to Diane, and he said something, and she said something, and I feel like it's Charlie.
	Remember that time when you were talking, and he was talking, and he said, and he said, remember that?
	You missed all of the key details of the entire bit, Rob.
	Now you've turned to an acai bowl for comfort.
	Don't make me proud of Russell!
	I'm upset!
	because I love that was my like go to like sick day movie trilogy when I was a kid which happened a lot so I know them very well love those movies we've talked about this yeah and so I was like I don't know yeah Russell just nailed it I think pretty sure yeah I watched it fairly recently yeah I think pretty much got it in one don't make me proud of what he did
	That's not fair.
	Maybe I got butchered.
	Yes, yeah, Rob Schneider completely fucked it.
	But yeah, and then retreated into eating something on camera.
	He had a spoonful of something.
	And yeah, the view behind him is clearly off his kitchen, by the way.
	For those listening as well.
	Couldn't be bothered to put the lid on the Instant Pot.
	No, no.
	Everything's on the counter.
	Yeah, yeah, there's like a rice cooker.
	There's all kinds of stuff everywhere.
	There's all kinds of stuff.
	And like, listen, I'm not trying to, okay, this is nitpicking, but it also feels like it isn't.
	Like, maybe Rob Schneider just has been on Zoom and podcasts so much that like, yeah, you just look like you're cleaning out your kitchen cabinets.
	It's like that when everything's on the counter, like, and I go to a lot of estate sales and that's what it looks like to me.
	And I'm not trying to be shady, but like, There is a level...
	It's funny, we were talking about this because some of our politicians showed up to the inauguration in mesh shorts.
	I mean, it's not like this big dunk if you just show up half-assed.
	For me, I put on makeup for y'all.
	I'm here in my house.
	On our little pod.
	And I put myself together.
	I cover my mess with a piece of cloth.
	Yeah, I think there is something to be said for showing up and presenting, I think.
	Especially nowadays and especially on a production like Russell's, right?
	Yeah, Russell looks slick compared to...
	The kitchen.
	Yeah, compared to the kitchen.
	And also, like, there is another part of this interview where Russell asks, like, why Rob's camera keeps shaking?
	Because it does.
	Like, any time he, like, moves or gesticulates, Rob's camera shakes.
	And Russell was like, oh, is your laptop, like, balanced on springs?
	Like, what's happening?
	And Rob moves the camera to show that he's got his laptop perched on a wicked branded version of Monopoly.
	You know, and I'm just like...
	What is this situation that's occurred?
	Okay, here's the geometry of that, because I'm not trying...
	Also...
	I've said this before.
	I'm not trying to show y'all what I'm balancing this laptop on right now.
	It's heavy, though.
	I'm not dumb.
	It's a trajectory.
	It's a weird thing to come for somebody, especially if Rob doesn't have his own setup.
	That's different to me.
	A shaky camera, because I don't think people realize that no matter how...
	If you're using a laptop, no matter how sturdy the base is, the wobble is up top.
	The wobble is with...
	The, uh, the x-axis, not the y-axis.
	Is that right?
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, the x-axis.
	So, like, that's kind of...
	Is that...
	Okay.
	Anyway, it's the...
	I'm gonna say yes, but...
	Okay.
	You all know what I'm talking about.
	But, like, it's...
	And you don't think about it until you're like, stop wobbling!
	What's happening?
	And then I... Yeah, I... I have, like, a board.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And some clamps.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I, like, I'm not going to kind of, like, were Rob Schneider in the position that we're in, like, absolutely wouldn't come for that.
	And, like, I mean, I've got my webcam currently propped up on Russell's book, on a hardback copy of Revolution at the moment.
	Oh!
	Okay.
	Right.
	It just happened to be, like, just about the right height.
	With the flip side that I have, I have his face staring at me every now and then.
	But, yeah, I would say, like, neither of us have a net worth of $10 million, and neither of us are appearing on Stay Free with Russell Brand, right?
	And there is a distinction there, you know?
	Like, there is a small difference.
	But what it seems...
	Why I... What sticks out to me.
	One, yeah, it's like a respect thing.
	Like, just put the lid on your Instant Pot.
	Yeah.
	But also, Russell bringing it up is like, why?
	Like, that kind of speaks to me, like, unless it's like a really funny bit, which I don't, I'm gonna guess maybe it's not, then like, bringing it up is also...
	Well, but, like, bringing it up is also a little tacky.
	Like, it's not that terrible.
	It happens sometimes.
	It happens to me sometimes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I would say that the dynamic here seems to be fairly jovial, but maybe a little bit adversarial here and there, but mostly just kind of, you know...
	I guess more as if that's what they're talking about, I feel like the rest of the subjects are kind of going to be thin gruel as far as what...
	If we're getting to the meat and potatoes or something, if there's really some compelling stuff to talk about.
	I haven't ever heard or seen a podcast that's nutrient-dense as far as talking about news, politics, current affairs, especially with the amount of news going on.
	If you've got somebody that has something to say and you have something to say, a wiggly webcam, there's just no time.
	There's no time to talk about that.
	And quoting The Godfather back and forth.
	You know, that's not how most of your news podcasts start.
	A little more of a bit.
	That's, like, at least going for something.
	But, like, oh, also we're going to do wiggly webcam?
	That's, like, that seems like maybe this is a little leisurely and not so rigorous.
	Yes.
	Yeah, it does kind of have a little bit of that vibe.
	Yeah.
	This was kind of more or less what I was expecting from these two, pretty much, dynamic-wise.
	Little did I know, this was actually the most animated the entire hour and ten-minute conversation would get.
	This chat peaks early.
	Yes.
	This was the peak?
	That was the peak.
	That was the moment, right?
	And now we get into some of the meat of the situation.
	And so Rob discusses Hollywood and the Democrats being elitist.
	Hollywood is this elitist thing.
	And like, first of all, before you're in, you're trying to get in.
	And then when you're in, the whole time you're in is like, am I in?
	Am I really in?
	How in am I? Am I in deeply?
	And then it's like the most...
	I remember Peter Riegert, who was this wonderful actor from Local Hero and from Animal House.
	He said to me, you do realize that you decided to make a living in the most elitist art form ever invented?
	Show business.
	It is, because you can...
	I remember this one actress that I met.
	She was English.
	Believe it or not, you guys can be very elitist as well.
	No, no.
	I've already worked with three Academy Award-winning directors and actors and writers, and it is.
	And then once you're in, there's this level, and then there's this level, and this level.
	And so, yeah, it's an odd thing.
	But once you accept that you don't need it, or you don't feel like it offers anything to you, then they can't touch you anymore.
	So that's an interesting thing.
	So, like, when you feel like that necessity, I never felt in any way, you know, and I always felt like, you know, the comedies were more fun and more difficult.
	I remember I was with, I think, our mutual friend John Cleese, and I was saying, tell me about your friend Adam Sandler.
	And I said, what is he doing?
	I said, he's doing, you know, You know, these dramas.
	And I said, it's because...
	And he said, I think the word you're looking for is easier.
	Dramas, I mean, comedies are more difficult.
	They just really are.
	But because it seems so frivolous and silly, even though the people in it and doing it realize how the difficulty of it is.
	But what I guess I'm getting back to is this...
	That kind of elitist feeling of, you know, are you in?
	Are you not in?
	Are you not really in?
	Or you're not that level or this category?
	And it's all a game.
	And it's all, you know, I think in the same thing with this political thing where they feel like you have to fit into that.
	And if you can't be outside that group, and that group is that liberal intelligentsia, it's that Democrat group.
	And if you're out of it, you're out.
	And there's no, as you know, there is no way of forgiveness, and there is no, it's a vindictive set of people, and once you're out, you're out.
	What are we doing?
	Once I made a joke about, like, you know, Hillary Clinton, when she lost, I said, I haven't seen the Democrats this pissed off since we freed the slaves.
	That was kind of it.
	Yeah, there's no way back.
	Hmm.
	Yeah, it's a dumb joke.
	Ignoring, like, party switching sides and the vehement racism perpetrated by Donald Trump and many of his supporters and, well, just the history in general, to be honest.
	So, yeah, not overly surprising that, like, in the wake of Hillary Clinton losing a bunch of Democrats would be like, yeah, fuck you, Rob.
	Of course, he's presenting this as though he was kicked out of the Democratic Party for this.
	Like, oh, after he said this, there was no way back.
	Or he was, like, somehow snubbed.
	We lost the animal?
	What do you mean?
	No!
	Yeah, we lost orgasm guy?
	What?
	Yeah, so the reality is that he went, like, full anti-vax back in 2012 and claims to leave the party in 2013. He said, quote, the state of California is a mess and the super majority of Democrats is not working.
	I've been alive.
	Lifelong Democrat and I have to switch over because it no longer serves the people of this great state.
	Unquote.
	He then endorsed Republican candidate Tim Donnelly for the 2014 California gubernatorial election.
	Um, yeah.
	Also from that clip, oh my god, from the end.
	Life I'll never get back from that clip.
	John Cleese, mutual friend?
	Right.
	That seems like a tangential colleague.
	Mutual friend is not a...
	Legally protected term.
	And I say that because, like, his takes still seem to be publicly pretty spot on.
	John Cleese does, anyway.
	Well, what I've seen.
	Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say.
	Like, some of them yes, and some of them very no.
	Sure.
	It does kind of depend.
	He's, you know, he's very old.
	Also that!
	Yeah, I'm just saying, like, as far as what we get pushed, and genuinely, like, also, being in the U.S. It's different.
	It's different.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's going to be a different thing.
	When we sit down, there are moments that genuinely, like, you know, Mike will be like, hey, John Cleese has a good take again.
	Like, oh, crazy.
	Like, that's...
	It just seems like he wouldn't have the patience for Rob Schneider.
	Well, this would have been when they were working together.
	So tangential colleague is the correct kind of phrasing.
	I'm not sure John Cleese would be like, my friend, Rob Schneider.
	I'm not sure that would...
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Or even Russell.
	I don't know.
	It doesn't really...
	Yes, no, no, definitely.
	I don't think John Cleese would be a particular fan of Russell.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So, mutual friend.
	That didn't pass the smell test for me, but also, I don't know.
	Mutual acquaintance, sure.
	Or, like, you know, yeah, mutual former colleague, perhaps.
	Yeah, John Cleese does have some good takes, but he also has, like, some definite bad ones.
	Like, a couple of years ago, he was upset that, like, because Fawlty Towers was adapted into a play, and he was upset that...
	One of the characters wasn't allowed to say the N-word.
	I'm like, well, maybe you're wrong about that, John, and maybe that's okay.
	I also guess, I mean, I think what is surprising, the takes that I've seen, and not just me, in my life, am I going to be like...
	It's surprising that his takes can and do evolve.
	So it's like, well, he's like a million years old, so there's no excuse.
	When he has takes that are presented in context, like, oh, I've changed my mind and it did not impact my health, life, or success in any way.
	That's genuinely part of what I've heard.
	I'm like, oh, wow.
	So John Cleese can do it.
	So, aged isn't an excuse.
	Yeah, he can learn things.
	Aged and fame!
	And being a white guy.
	Not an excuse to stick with your bad takes.
	You know what I mean?
	He's the trifecta, you know?
	Yeah.
	So as for kind of the chat with John apparently telling Rob Schneider that drama films are easier than comedy, I would say this is another one of those bad takes.
	But the answer, as with all of this stuff, is like, it depends.
	Good comedy is hard, sure.
	As it happens, the movie that Rob Schneider and John Cleese were working on while having this discussion, I would guess, would be in 2022, which was directed...
	Produced by and starred Rob Schneider, and that was Daddy Daughter Trip that Russell mentioned up top.
	It also has Rob's daughter in the film, and John Cleese evidently got paid to show up somewhere in it.
	Bill Goodykunz of the Arizona Republic wrote in his review, quote, Too often the jokes don't land, neither does the physical comedy.
	The story doesn't really hold.
	It's clear that Schneider and his daughter love each other, and this film is a way to express that, but it's a lot to ask of the rest of us to watch it.
	Unquote.
	I was like, yep, cool, nice.
	And in terms of commercial success, the film grossed around $300,000.
	Meanwhile, kind of...
	I mean, if John Cleese's check cleared, I think we know how that works then.
	Yeah, I think I know which direction this headed.
	Meanwhile, like, and throwing this particular critique at Adam Sandler, like, he had recently made Uncut Gems in 2019, which is...
	Fantastic, if an anxiety-inducing experience.
	And is, you know...
	Widely considered kind of one of the best films of his career.
	It was just like, oh yeah, no, he fucking pulled it out of the bag here.
	You know, and there are multiple kind of instances of Sandler kind of nailing it in dramatic roles.
	My point is, like, perhaps it's not clear-cut that one art form is easier than the other, but it is a really great excuse if your shitty comedy movie bombs while the very well-done drama succeeds to be like, well, comedy is harder, though.
	Like, okay, keep talking.
	I mean, I've heard that from a ton of, like, actors and comedians, and it's like, I think it also depends on your experience.
	You know, like, that seems individual.
	It all depends.
	If you want to cling to that as the reason why your movie isn't as successful as you projected and just assumed everyone would love it and flock to it, I... When I blame something instead of fix it, I guess that's your prerogative.
	Yeah, yeah, it seems like we're going in that direction.
	So, from here, Russell harks back to his working with Adam Sandler in the movie Bedtime Stories.
	When I was part of it, I really felt like, um...
	You know, you're right.
	Like, there is a feeling of, am I in enough?
	Am I in enough?
	And, like, being around, like, Sandler, I always thought of him as a pretty unique individual, even then.
	Here were the things I thought.
	This guy's probably Republican.
	And at that time, you couldn't even talk about it.
	You sort of, it was like, wow.
	Yeah, that would have made you a pariah.
	Like, it was something that couldn't be discussed at that time.
	I remember that.
	I also remember thinking...
	That he had...
	He anchored himself somehow in normalness in a way that seemed somewhat unique in that world.
	Like he appeared to have authentic friendships and relationships and a kind of a decency that seemed really unusual and really came to the forefront when he got that Mark Twain, or at least it was visible, when he got that Mark Twain award.
	And I see you and Spade and all of your crew sort of honoring him.
	And it seemed like...
	They didn't want me to be there, by the way.
	CNN. They didn't want anything to do with me there.
	They wanted...
	They said, does Rob have to tell jokes?
	You know, I remember...
	He's bad at it.
	Does he have to?
	Does Rob really want to...
	I mean, can we get him?
	Do we need him?
	And it's like, well, it would be very odd and very obvious for your show how jaded it is.
	And they actually ran in at the airport.
	One of the Mark Twain...
	I guess she's one of the directors on the board of directors of that award show.
	And I said, can you please think about, you know, like maybe a Gutfeld or something like that, somebody that you, you know, that somebody who's Republican, who's outwardly Republican, honoring.
	And after I thanked her for also honoring Adam Sandler, and she said, and I said, why don't you, you know, go for somebody Republican.
	And she said, outwardly.
	And she said to me, wouldn't that be divisive?
	So only divisive within their own liberal group.
	They don't want to be divisive within Democrats.
	So that's kind of where they're at.
	And I think that that's why they're so inside their bubble that they couldn't understand how the American – they're so far left that they left the Americans behind, the American people.
	Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
	So, the Mark Twain Award, right, has been going since, like, 1998. It's a comedy award, right, specifically named after Mark Twain, and supposedly it is presented to individuals who have had an impact on American society in similar ways to Mark Twain.
	The Kennedy Center chose Mark Twain in recognition of his role as a controversial social commentator and his uncompromising perspective of social injustice and personal folly, apparently.
	Previous recipients include Richard Pryor, Whoopi Goldberg, Billy Crane, And the next recipient is to be Conan O'Brien.
	Some of these, I think, are either shitty or assholes or both, and I'm not going to stand here and endorse every decision the Kennedy Center makes, particularly as one now rescinded Mark Twain Award recipient was Bill Cosby.
	But politics aside, if we're talking pure caliber of comedic skill here, if we're talking scale and impact and all of that stuff on American society, the names I just mentioned are all giants of comedy in one way or another, right?
	And Rob Schneider supposedly approached this lady in an airport like, hey, why don't you...
	You give Gutfeld an award.
	It wouldn't be divisive because of his politics.
	It would be divisive because he sucks and he is comparatively small potatoes.
	He's medically not funny.
	He's terminally unfunny.
	Aren't we talking about Adam Sandler too?
	Yeah, yeah, the Sandler chat is, um, so he is still, like, loyal to Rob Schneider, which I think is interesting.
	Um, like, he publicly commented as much, like, late last year.
	Um, and in terms of, like, political affiliation, he supposedly has previously been a registered Republican in, like, the early 2000s, and he performed at the 2004 RNC, um, but kind of since then, it's been very, very quiet, and any time anyone's ever been reached for comment, it's like, he doesn't...
	Yeah, so, is it like, yeah, I'm not gonna insult, I'm not gonna publicly insult my friend who's crazy?
	Like, is that how we handled it and now we're, like, not saying anything?
	I don't know.
	Like, boy, we sure had fun when we were on SNL together 20 or 30 long time ago.
	Like, what do we do?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Fine.
	If you're like, oh man, my friend's fucked up now.
	I'm not going to tell TMZ. That's mean.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This seems like a dickish thing to do.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, this is also like, well, if that was a bridge too far, fair enough.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Guess who Adam Sandler doesn't think about?
	Either of these jokers I'm looking at right now.
	So...
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Come on.
	Particularly Russell, I imagine.
	At least he worked more with Schneider, you know.
	Okay, so given there's another point that they have in common, we naturally get to the subject of RFK Jr. Our friend, you know, Robert Kennedy is...
	It's really outrageous that the fact that we have someone who's about to be in a position of power who can actually help things.
	That was amazing.
	I had a comedian, you know, we're all very jaded comedians.
	This comedian, really funny comedian, he called me and said, I can't believe he actually has a chance to get in.
	Because if he gets in, if Bobby Kennedy gets in, he might have a chance to actually do something good.
	I just remember him being at a place where, like, he didn't see that coming.
	And so I think that there is a goodness that is coming.
	And I think that Jesus and Christ compels those people to come forward now.
	And I think that, you know, God picked strange people.
	He picked a stuttering shepherd.
	To lead people out of Egypt.
	So there are strange people that are picked.
	And I sat with these priests here in Phoenix and they were talking about, you know, Donald Trump's presidency.
	And like, my goodness, there's a real chance here to do some good things and people that you would have never expected.
	And I do think the United States is an important, and this election was important for the world.
	I mean, I felt a sigh of relief.
	I mean, people called me from different countries all over the world saying, thank you.
	And I said, I had nothing to do with it.
	But I said, but thank you for America.
	Because we feel that there's a sense of hope now.
	We feel like this totalitarian grip that was happening on the world.
	I mean, just think about this week.
	Seeing, you know, the dictator to the north, Justin Trudeau, who called his own freedom-fighting truckers terrorists and froze their bank accounts and put them in prison and called them terrorists.
	I mean, I can't, and for him stepping down now.
	What are we doing?
	The leader in Italy, hopefully she will, you know, come around to what she was, how she was elected in the first place was to oppose this.
	I mean, really, the Sovietization of Europe.
	So there's a chance to really be a buttress against this kind of one world order that we're seeing.
	And that's what, you know, when the new world order was trying to close down the world in the last few years.
	The one thing they didn't see coming was people on podcasts standing up and being able to talk because they knew where they were able to control the tech companies.
	They had those.
	For sure, they had the newspapers.
	For sure, they had Google search engine.
	They were able to really squelch things through the mainstream media, but they were not able to realize that in their big power grab that there was a Joe Rogan, that there was a Tucker Carlson.
	That there was a Russell Brand.
	Oh!
	So that was really what was the shining light for people.
	Al, you brought all of us here.
	You brought us all here.
	When I said that this chat peaked early, I was not kidding.
	Oh my god!
	This week's episode is brought to you by a 60s CIA torture manual.
	Okay, fucking hell, he eventually made a point there.
	So the New World Order didn't see podcasters coming.
	That's what he eventually arrived at, through all that bullshit.
	Nobody foresaw Rogan or Tucker or Russell Brand.
	And the alt-right media sphere derailed the New World Order's plans.
	Fuck me.
	I tell you, for an all-encompassing evil, they're sure not very good at it.
	They seem very inept.
	To be derailed by some idiot saying stuff into a microphone, you know?
	Okay.
	I mean, really.
	This is...
	Rob didn't keep himself on rails.
	What's the expectation here?
	What are we doing?
	Also, he was getting international calls from people around the world thanking him for making Trump president again, apparently.
	Dubious!
	You mean confuse people?
	Or the people paying him money to do these events!
	Yeah.
	Were they Christmas cards from people that bought you a yacht?
	Maybe by international cause they were coming from one very specific, quite cold country.
	Well, I mean, whatever.
	It doesn't even matter.
	I mean, if we're talking about corporate interest just flourishing unchecked in America.
	Also, is it that Instant Pot?
	Is what we're looking at?
	The things that you...
	Was that the payment?
	Are these the spoils of war for you?
	And you want to show them off and gloat at us in your kitchen?
	Maybe that's it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Maybe.
	The light fixtures, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, and you're McManch?
	That's...
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Hot damn.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I gave him a couple of instances throughout these clips to elaborate on what he's saying and...
	There is an element of regret, I'm not gonna lie.
	Oh, and for anyone not paying any attention to Italian politics, because he did bring it up here, because they do seem to get kind of left out of the international conversation quite a lot.
	The Prime Minister of Italy since late 2022 has been Giorgia Maloney as part of a coalition government opposing, they were opposing Berlusconi's attempt at re-election.
	The woman herself is a literal neo-Nazi.
	She's anti-LGBTQ +, she's anti-vax, anti-globalist.
	Hint, hint, hint from an Italian fascist.
	She's Islamophobic, xenophobic, fucking hates migrants, and has been cozying up to Putin quite a lot.
	And Rob Schneider is like, yeah, she stood against the Sovietization of Europe.
	She's great.
	But nah, she's an absolute fucking ghoul.
	That's who that lady is.
	Does he...
	Do you mean balkanization?
	That's what...
	Does he even really know what...
	My guess is probably not.
	Would be my guess.
	Yeah, cool.
	Let's keep it pumping.
	Yeah, okay.
	So let's get back to RFK Jr. here, right?
	Oh, great.
	Never mind.
	Okay.
	You also touched upon the figure of Bobby Kennedy, and when he emerged into the political space, I would say, I want to say to the left, but I know that in your country, the word left even is contaminated.
	But what I mean by that is Bobby Kennedy was at...
	He's anti-corporate politician.
	He's anti-corruption.
	And a hero.
	A hero, yeah.
	Liberals and Democrats.
	Right.
	He's an example of the Democratic Party, for sure.
	There's no other name that means more to the Democrats that are used to than Kennedy.
	And when he was dispatched and maligned and undermined and attacked by the same media that would attack Trump for being a racist or a rapist or whatever word they could throw at him, it became clear that, oh no, this is not about a particular objection to Trump.
	It's an objection to anyone who poses a threat.
	To their technological feudalism, to their sanitized and corporatized dictatorship, to their systems of elitism that they have to dress up in the garb and language of care and compassion.
	And again, we peculiarly found ourselves in the midst of this, because when the first time we met one another was at a Bobby Kennedy fundraiser in Nashville, when Bobby was still running as an independent.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, yeah.
	RFK Jr. spent a long time pretending to be left-wing because it served his interests, and then he pretended to be an independent because it served his interests, and now he's a Republican under Trump because it serves his interests.
	But anyway, any criticism of RFK Jr. or of Trump, including the pointed and evident criticism that at least one of those individuals is both a racist and a rapist, that criticism is apparently just because they're both threats to technological feudalism and elitism.
	So they're threats.
	So they must be taken down.
	That's all it could be.
	There's no possible truth to any of it.
	Yeah, when they say mutual friend RFK Jr., yep.
	Yeah.
	That does pass the smell test for me.
	Yes, yeah, yeah.
	That one, I believe.
	That one, I believe.
	I bet he'd pick up if they called.
	Well, he does.
	Yeah, that's the proof.
	I don't need to guess it's happened.
	Demonstrably true.
	This is all totally wrong.
	This is nothing.
	Okay, this is just words.
	What are we doing?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, it's oversimple, but man.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So with all of this, like, you know, threats to the system and, like, being taken down, chat, I wonder where it could all be going.
	What I feel personally is, without realizing it, I still worshipped the culture.
	I still worship the false idol of success and fame.
	And when, as we touched upon, when we were exchanging messages about this prior to having this chat, like when I was actually cancelled and you've just been sort of, I don't know, you've just seemed to have edged your way out of that situation.
	Me, I was cancelled in a very hostile and aggressive and very definite way.
	You were maligned and it was after.
	You had attacked some of the powers, the power structure, and you were able to really, when you were on Bill Maher, you were also very keenly aware of time, and you were able to succinctly, you realized you had about 35 seconds to completely destroy and undermine this whole fascistic attack on our...
	On human beings and on the world and individual liberties and freedoms.
	And you were able to describe and break down the structure of it.
	And it was very...
	There's no accident right after that is when they attacked you.
	And they didn't just attack you by...
	By bringing up something with particular evidence.
	They wouldn't name people.
	And then they also, your accusers, they didn't speak for themselves.
	They had to have actors playing them.
	That was really unique, which goes to show that there was a threat that you possessed to the very structures of what was happening and where they could not let it continue.
	I see.
	So Rob Schneider insists that Russell possessed a threat to the power structure, and after Russell went on real-time with Bill Maher, well, that was it.
	Game over.
	And so not long after that appearance, the globalists or New World Order or whoever it was took him down!
	Leaving aside that the investigation into the allegations against Russell began back in 2019, long before Russell's pivot to the alt-right, let alone the Bill Maher appearance, it's not unusual for victims to remain anonymous.
	Good point.
	that it's such a common fucking thing in the first place.
	Good point.
	But no, instead Rob wants to play around in the waters of, oh, you're just so dangerous, Russell.
	Look at you.
	Aren't you big and important?
	Why do they have to fiercely protect their identities?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Why is that?
	Why is that?
	Yeah.
	And anyone who they like who gets accused of anything is just getting taken down for being too dangerous to the system.
	That's what's actually happening there.
	It's not that any of it's actually true.
	Lord forbid.
	Yeah.
	That's crazy this is still getting played.
	I mean, it's...
	This is stroking Russell's ego.
	This is definitely like...
	Rob Schneider knows how to be invited back, is what's happening here.
	Yes, yes he does.
	I'm just going to press this little button here.
	You're so big and strong.
	You're such a big, strong boy.
	There we go.
	Done.
	So Rob continues this line of thinking here.
	They had to do it.
	And very much the same way with Bobby Kennedy, was that he was...
	His goal is to stop the poisoning of children and to really say, let's look at evidence.
	And so what these people want to get rid of is evidence.
	They want to get rid of facts.
	They don't want to give any ounce.
	Of credence to something that could break the system and make it collapse.
	Because it is and it was and it has collapsed.
	And what they're trying to regroup and do whatever, I don't know if it's bird flu or whatever, is to get control again.
	And anyone who is going to question it, they will wipe you out.
	And it's going to be direct attacks.
	If you somehow survive because you were a particularly brilliant person, and also people know that you really do care deeply about people, and the same with Bobby Kennedy, there's a humanity which seems to rise.
	From you, where you care about other human beings, and that comes from a place that is not corruptible, then that is a threat to it.
	And after they try to go after you, and every article that they do with Bobby Kennedy, and then when they were done, when they couldn't destroy him, and he was still having literally 35% between 18-year-olds to 34-year-olds at one point.
	He had 35% approval rating for that.
	Then they do this death by ignorance, which they just black out.
	They're not going to do anything.
	They're not going to even do hit pieces because they're just not going to talk about you at all.
	And that worked.
	I mean, it did work.
	However, and I think, you know, to Bobby's credit, was he realized, like, if he was going to do something...
	And he reached out to Kamala Harris' campaign.
	He told me this personally.
	And they didn't even return his phone call because they don't want to change anything.
	They have to have power wrestled from them.
	And RFK Jr. told this to him personally, right?
	He didn't even return the phone call.
	They don't want whale guts on all their stuff.
	Yeah, that might have been a factor.
	Might have been a factor.
	Like, I'm not terribly surprised the Harris-Walls campaign didn't return that call.
	In hindsight, I will say I'm curious how it would have gone had Kamala Harris been like, sure, come on board, because, like, it's not that much worse than the Cheneys in some ways, honestly.
	I'm like, well, if you're gonna go that direction, you know, it's fucking, you know.
	Well, that's, yeah, that's dark.
	It is dark, but, like, you know.
	Jesus.
	Anyway, I kind of love this clip because, like, firstly, apparently bird flu is coming for us, potentially, but it demonstrates how...
	When it comes to the candidate that they like, the alt-right will build a conspiracy around anything other than success.
	Like, well, if RFK Jr. is being attacked, well, that's the deep state trying to take him down.
	If he's not in the headlines or media or being talked about, well, that's a concerted attempt not to talk about him.
	So people don't vote for him.
	That's what they're doing.
	They're deliberately not talking about him.
	Ah, but when he's doing well, you know, that's when everything's going swimmingly and the globalists are losing because RFK Jr. had a 35% approval.
	When were they not talking about him?
	Hey, do we all remember the whiplash we were experiencing, what, every other week for some new, like...
	Enthusiastic coverage of, like, of RFK Jr. that's, like, a glowing, like, either interview with his daughter or, like, a puff piece that is, like, resurfacing and people are, like, horrified because they find out about it.
	It's just, there were pieces just describing his behavior from his own words.
	Roseanne!
	Dude, that clip is so choice of him talking to Roseanne because she's like, oh, no.
	Sorry, so you mean burgeoning rapper Roseanne.
	Sorry.
	Okay, I'm not listening.
	All right.
	Yep, and we, yep, moving on.
	Like, she's, she, RFK Jr. gave Roseanne, yes, burgeoning, yeah, with rapstress, Roseanne gave her a thousand-yard stare.
	Yes.
	And it's just describing his behavior.
	Yeah, it says a lot.
	These are hit pieces.
	They are descriptions of facts.
	Yes, exactly.
	It's just a list of things that happened and stuff that RFK Jr. said.
	Yeah.
	And I'm allowed to make my conclusions.
	Just from his body of work.
	Yep.
	Yep, from his bodies of work, I dare say.
	Yeah, but in any case, it's just remarkable how, like, no matter what to these people, like, their candidate that they like is a god-king who can do no wrong, and if anything negative ever happens, the only possible answer is a conspiracy against them.
	There's no other option, you know?
	It has to be a hit piece.
	It has to be a takedown.
	Oh, dear, oh, dear.
	Posts!
	Text messages publicly.
	It's a hit piece.
	Yeah, right?
	Come on.
	It's taken out of context.
	Okay, sure thing.
	So yeah, so we heard how Harris responded to the RFK junior call, but what about how Trump responded?
	and literally.
	And so, but when he reached out to the Trump campaign, 30 minutes later, he was on the phone with Trump himself, with President Trump.
	And then two hours later, he was at a rally with him.
	And you had a cheering crowd in my town where I live now, Phoenix, of a presidential nominee and a former president for the first time saying, we need to make America healthy again.
	We need to get healthy food.
	We need to get, and we need to talk about the, the, the, Capture of our regulatory agencies by industry.
	I mean, that's outrageous that we would have, you know, we're only allowed to have two parties, which is one more than we have in China, by the way, because we're, you know, a democratic, we're a republic, a democratic republic.
	So that was outrageous.
	I mean, I'll agree it's outrageous, but not for the reasons Rob is saying.
	I think it's outrageous because you had Trump standing on a stage saying, we need to make America healthy again, and within a couple of weeks Trump had RFK Jr. on a private jet, presumably begrudgingly scarfing down McDonald's in an act of kissing the onion ring.
	You know?
	It's like, oh dear.
	Okay.
	This Maha situation is going well.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's really, like, Here's the thing.
	I don't think even in November we realized how many games of chicken would be happening.
	And McChicken, as the case may be.
	Because, yeah, that was such a weird moment with the McDonald's on the plane.
	I mean, here's the thing.
	I'm not...
	All of us that were warning and sounding alarm bells and being really worried and genuinely concerned about our future, I don't think anybody's having a great time dancing around, being like, ha ha, we told you so right now.
	Because today, not to date our episode, but I mean, it's timely, they're going to start sending out ice trucks, as in like...
	Immigration, you know, not ICE. Well, everything's going to be an ICE truck because it's like below zero here today.
	But they're going to start rounding up people they perceive to be migrants in Chicago today.
	And it's like on the cute morning radio show.
	It's like, hey, this is happening.
	So these are choices that we should have taken them at their word.
	And anyone who didn't, well, here's where we're at.
	Yeah, they've spent years talking about this.
	It wasn't just rhetoric, and now we're going to watch that play out.
	What am I going to do, stand outside with a broom?
	I thought about it.
	And you all know, to a person, if I interacted with these types of, if I saw a nice truck and things were going down, you best believe I would run after him with a broom.
	But I don't know what that's gonna do!
	Yeah, give him a ruin.
	But yeah, that's, you know, it's the happenstance that, like, that would happen.
	First of all, would that do anything?
	To me, probably.
	But also, like, these things are happening, you know, they're gonna happen in a clandestine way.
	They're gonna happen in a way that, like, if you are in America, keep your mouth shut!
	And you need to help your neighbors if you can.
	Please.
	Please.
	Because this is going to happen.
	You need to take these people seriously.
	You need to take their threat seriously.
	Yep.
	They're saying what they mean.
	And meaning what they say.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	As for the speed with which Trump picked up that phone and got RFK Jr. on board, I think it's much less about Trump being particularly receptive to RFK Jr.'s ideas, and more to do with the fact that RFK Jr. remaining in the race was actively harmful to Trump's presidential campaign.
	RFK Jr. had been dividing the alt-right and also had a good bunch of crunchy anti-vax lefty types as well, and Trump knew that it was politically expedient to get RFK Jr. on side.
	RFK Jr. knew that if he continued to stand as an independent And then, how much of
	that policy will actually work towards making America...
	Well, we know the second part is not.
	It's not the intent.
	That's not what the plan will be, and that's not the goal.
	And yeah, I am shaking in my boots about the former, because what the fuck?
	I have no idea.
	I have no idea what's going to happen.
	And I've expressed this to doctors, and they're like, yeah, we're going to wait and see.
	We don't know.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	And ultimately, Trump and RFK Jr., both in this situation, just did what was politically expedient to them.
	You know, this wasn't some great moral crusade like Rob Schneider is trying to present, because, like, if it had been, Trump would have had RFK Jr. on board much, much sooner.
	There were plenty of opportunities and just didn't want to, didn't want to do that thing, and then, well, okay, guess I gotta do this now, and here we are.
	Okay, so.
	From RFK Jr., we naturally move to talking about the, as Rob calls it, scamdemic.
	And it gets a little convoluted, but I'm going to let Rob make his point.
	Oh, this one does?
	Okay.
	But it's only because people have woken up, and it's only because...
	People have been pushed to the brink where, you know, 10,000 restaurants in the United States were wiped out during the pandemic, during the scandemic.
	And you had people's small businesses were closed.
	But you were allowed, Walmart was open.
	And then you had Target was open.
	And so it really was, when they say the gigantic transfer of wealth, $7 trillion, it really was.
	And it was just literally trying to wipe out and take away.
	So you would have to just be dependent on the goodwill of those elitists and people in charge.
	So for the Hollywood celebrities who supported Kamala Harris, They're in that group, and there's nothing that's going to stop them from being in that group.
	So I will say that this defeat really was, for the world, an important event, because it was a rejection of this elitism, this totalitarianism.
	A complete totalitarianism.
	I think it was on the verge of becoming that way.
	I think the censorship that was proven, this was stunning to me, from a lifelong Democrat, as a lifelong Democrat, who was pushed out because, you know, as Reagan said, which I didn't understand it, and as Bobby Kennedy says, like, hey, look, I didn't leave the Democratic Party.
	The Democratic Party left me.
	So when there was Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger getting the documents, From Elon Musk.
	And thank God bless Elon Musk.
	So when they were confronted, when the Democrats were confronted with this, and they had the congressional hearings, because the Senate was still controlled by the Democrats.
	They were able to have the congressional hearings where they were able to expose this, that they were exposed, that the Democrats, the Biden administration, had worked with Zuckerberg, had worked with Backdoor and asking and demanding that they silence these people and censor Americans and doctors, the first responders, nurses, scientists.
	You had Buddhacarya, Dr. Buddhacarya, and these people were silenced when this was exposed and said, this is happening.
	I think that was supposed to be Bhattacharya, not Buddhacarya, as in like Dr. J. Bhattacharya.
	Okay, so...
	By Rob's telling of it, this last election was important because it was a rejection of totalitarian control by the Democrats.
	So, according to him, the pandemic was actually a scandemic and was designed to close small businesses but keep big businesses open in order to make the common American dependent upon the goodwill of the elitist Democrats, which is why the Biden administration worked together with Meta to silence these important anti-vax COVID conspiracy voices who were just trying to draw attention to all of this somehow being...
	A big lie.
	And then we got a little sidetracked in the middle talking about Elon Musk and the Twitter files and how apparently the Democratic Party left Rob Schneider and not the other way around.
	But hey, God bless Nazi saluting Elon Musk, apparently.
	Now...
	A number of things sprang to mind during this little clip.
	Firstly, big businesses naturally can withstand a lot more economic turbulence than small businesses, especially when it comes to the restaurant industry in the midst of a global plague when no one's allowed to go to restaurants.
	Especially when they can steal- Chili's can steal our tax dollars as PPP loans.
	Yeah.
	That's a great way to make it through.
	Yeah!
	People- In my life, like, us!
	Like, oh, our, uh, we got approved for unemployment benefits when everything was shut down, but never got the money.
	It just didn't ever show up.
	But the PPP loans, fine.
	Yeah, absolutely fine.
	Which does legitimately save some businesses, that's true.
	Yeah, yeah, some of them.
	The stealing is the...
	Thing I'm complaining about.
	Seems to be a bigger problem, yeah.
	But even just as like the basic premise, like, yes, Walmart will be surviving a lot better because people are still allowed to go there with restrictions because people have to buy groceries somewhere.
	Also, there is an advantage to big businesses when they are literally physically bigger.
	Like, with the distancing provisions in the more responsible parts of the country, a small business will be able to fit far fewer people into it compared to the warehouse.
	On delivery, yeah.
	You already have the infrastructure to deliver stuff.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And all of this kind of led me to the thought of like, what you're actually critiquing here, Rob, is capitalism.
	Like, the idea that in a global emergency the little guy gets crapped on while the big businesses do just fine, that's a critique of capitalism.
	Like, it's not some great conspiracy perpetrated by Joe Biden and Mark Zuckerberg to make people reliant on the democratic elite.
	The people of the USA are already reliant on the elites and the billionaires and the oligarchs.
	It's literally how the system is set up.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, the actual critique that you're trying to make, badly, is of capitalism itself.
	And as for, like, the COVID conspiracy bullshit at large, this is very much one of those instances where it would do people like Rob Schneider a lot of good to take a look beyond the borders of their own country.
	Like, if all of this was in service of what's going on in American politics, what the fuck was the point in having this virus affect the entire world?
	Why was I having to deal with it, right?
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Truly.
	Yes.
	Polynesia has a bone to pick.
	You know what I mean?
	Come on.
	Yeah.
	And quit trying to make Scamdemic happen.
	Sorry.
	Plandemic's got to ring.
	You can't.
	That's true.
	They came with it first.
	What are you going to do?
	Okay.
	So anyway, from here, Rob illustrates the problem with the Democratic Party today.
	Instead of the Democrats saying, okay, This is wrong.
	We've got to re-correct this.
	They just doubled down and they attacked Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberg and Elon Musk.
	So they had no intention of changing or doing anything.
	They were just going to hold on to power until it was ripped away from them.
	And that was really a chance for the Democratic Party to regroup.
	And the only way that they were ever going to do it is if they got the shit beat out of them.
	And like what just happened in this election, to realize that like, hey, listen, we're not going to put up with this crap anymore.
	And it really was.
	You know, frustrating to watch, to see this, to see the Democratic Party completely become this totalitarian engine of the machine.
	And so how do we get out of it?
	I mean, the only way to do it was to, I mean, I really feel like this election truthfully was.
	A gigantic, important thing.
	And you really do feel a sense of relief all over the world.
	The fact that there was this opposition that was really, you have a reversal now.
	Because the Democratic Party, when I grew up, was always this, seemed like it was the party of the people and that they looked like America because it had.
	You know, it had black people, it had gay people, it had this.
	And so, but it had turned into this, you know, 70% of the wealth in America is now owned by the Democrats.
	It is, so the party of the people now is the Republican Party.
	Sure.
	In case it's not obvious, the Democrats do not have 70% of the wealth in the USA. It would be very obvious if they did.
	And, you know, somewhere like Twitter would likely be a different place compared to where it is under Elon Musk.
	What Rob Schneider is doing is taking a tweet from RFK Jr. that makes this very claim and repeating it.
	As ever, with most of these lines of bullshit, there's a seed of truth somewhere.
	And what happened was that in the 2020 election, Joe Biden won 500...
	But Biden's 512 counties represented 71% of the US GDP, meaning, you know, it was coastal elites who voted for Biden, while Trump got the votes of the less wealthy, right, is the idea.
	Incidentally, the Biden situation, they were also much more populous.
	So like, yeah, there's going to be more money in them.
	There's more people in them.
	In 2024, it seems that Kamala Harris won 400. 627 counties, representative of 62% of the US GDP, and Trump won 2,633 counties, which came in at 38% of the GDP. However...
	When it comes to wealth and like, you know, billionaires and oligarchs and things, right?
	Say someone like Jeff Bezos lives in one of these coastal places where the vote is definitely going to go to the Democrats, right?
	Say he's in one of those places.
	But he himself, the incredibly wealthy man, votes for Trump.
	That district still goes to the Democrats, but still shows up as being representative of a huge amount of the U.S. GDP because he's there.
	Despite the individual who actually has all that wealth being a Republican.
	So the stats actually aren't overly helpful.
	You know, you have the one vote.
	And what have I been saying?
	What have I been saying?
	Your one vote in your national...
	I almost said international.
	That's hopeful.
	I wish everyone could vote for the president of America.
	It's becoming a good argument.
	Yeah, right?
	Because it affects everybody, so everyone should have a say if that's what democracy is about.
	But yeah, you have your one vote you cast, but every dollar of a vote that Jeff...
	Bezos has put into this society for decades to protect the wealthy, like the top 1%.
	That's a lot more than one vote.
	Isn't it?
	This is puerile.
	This is obviously a distraction.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	And again, when it comes down to it, the issue is not X amount of wealth belongs to the Democrats.
	The issue is that 512 counties can somehow be representative of 71% of the US GDP in general.
	That is kind of fucked up, that disparity in that situation.
	And again, we arrive back at a critique of capitalism in this.
	According to a report from the Congressional Budget Office from October 2024, the top 10% of wealthy Americans now control 60% of the nation's wealth, while the...
	Horror, half of the country, 50%, holds only 6% of the wealth.
	And then, further, if you subtract Social Security from that equation, the top 10% of the country control nearly 70% of the nation's wealth, and the bottom half holds only 3%.
	Like, that is the fucking problem here.
	Because, as you say, in the US, money controls the politics.
	There it fucking is, you know?
	That's it.
	That's the actual issue there.
	Rob.
	Yeah, and just decades of gerrymandering, decades of shoring up for this type, like, this is a few very rich people's long-term plan, and I know that sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory.
	It's not.
	It's just what happened.
	It's what happened.
	Citizens United, guess what?
	Here we are.
	Yep, yep.
	And, yeah, I'm on board with being able to vote in your elections.
	The other day, because I sent you a text about this, my TikTok was also bad.
	Like, I couldn't get on TikTok, and I'm in the UK where there is no TikTok ban.
	And I'm like, well, if this is affecting me, then maybe I should get a vote, you know?
	Right.
	That's the thing.
	It's like, yeah, you were like, what is this about?
	I'm like, oh, yeah, you didn't know?
	We knew.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I was like, I knew this was happening to Americans.
	I didn't think it would happen to me as well.
	Yeah, I signed into TikTok to see what the conversation would be without all the Americans.
	I'm like, nope, I can't get on it either.
	Huh, okay, interesting.
	Alright.
	We'd love to help!
	Yeah, right.
	We've been relegated to the mines.
	Like, that's...
	Oh, good lord.
	Okay, so now Rob Schneider answers the question of what should be done with the newfound power of, you know, Trump's party and everything.
	So that's where we're at.
	So what are we going to do with it?
	Where are we going to lead this?
	I mean, first of all, the Ukraine war has to end.
	We have to get that.
	That's one thing that, you know, I know that Donald Trump feels strongly about.
	Bobby Kennedy does.
	That slaughter needs to end.
	And it's not like in any divorce.
	It's not going to be perfect.
	We're not going to.
	Ukraine's not going to get everything they want.
	You know, like my ex-wife didn't get everything she wanted.
	I didn't get.
	Everything I wanted.
	But you have to have some sort of settlement.
	The slaughter has to stop.
	And for people in the United States that have problems, or people in Europe who question, like, well, you know, my grocery prices are going up, or this is happening, or this conflict, or politically, you know, I've been canceled.
	Well, in Ukraine, these people, they're going to be traumatized for 30, 40 years to recover from this.
	The people, you know...
	The slaughter that's happened on both sides and the high-tech slaughter with drones just, you know, it's the most...
	It's a despicable form of military now, where it seems like not just killing somebody with a gun, it looks like abject torture, what's happened to these soldiers.
	These are human beings, too.
	This slaughter has to stop.
	And for the fact that they have American senators and congresspeople who are allowed to invest in the military-industrial complex and profit off it is disgusting, and that needs to stop.
	We should not allow any politicians.
	To benefit and to know ahead of time if we're going to have fund a conflict like in Ukraine and then somehow benefit financially from it.
	If that isn't corrupt, then we need to change the word corrupt to something else.
	Okay, I mean, I agree with the last part, pretty much.
	But I will say, like, is Trump gonna do anything to- Yeah, so then you want regulations!
	So you should have voted for the party, and genuinely, you should have voted for the candidate who had Lena Kahn on board for the FTC! That's part of what I was- I was, like, excited about that one thing.
	I got- Duped, I got got.
	Because I was excited about that.
	I was like, oh, something might happen once.
	Yes.
	Nope.
	Nope.
	Pull the rug.
	Pull the rug.
	But yeah, like, is Trump going to stop politicians trading in stocks or having fucking second jobs or any of that other shit?
	I don't think so.
	I do not think so.
	Oh, second jobs is not.
	That's not even on the table.
	A spurious excuse for massive consulting fees is not a second job.
	Again, because I am engaging with this podcast that is international, I have had to...
	The stuff y'all got upset about with your politicians, sunglasses and shit, is...
	Yeah, the indictment of UK politicians and the glad-handing is Adorable.
	I mean...
	For anyone who missed it, the MP of my local area placed a bet as to when Rishi Sunak would step down and call the election to be, and he had prior information.
	And it was only like a £100 bet.
	Oh, that's not what I'm talking about at all.
	Different thing?
	Different thing?
	Yeah, all the, like, free shit gate, what they call it, I don't remember, yeah, freebie gate?
	That's what I'm talking about.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm with you, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yes, a lot of our corruption seems very quaint, because, like, that thing with my MP was enough for him to lose his seat.
	Well, don't gamble!
	That's, yeah, that's not, hey, don't do that!
	Don't do that!
	But still, come on!
	Like, that's...
	It's definitely still very quaint compared to American politics.
	Yeah!
	For sure.
	As for Rob's position on the Ukraine war, him likening it to his divorce and saying, well, Ukraine aren't gonna get everything they want, kind of says it all.
	If Trump does manage to strong-arm the Ukraine war to a close, it will blatantly be at the cost of allowing Putin to annex at least part of Ukraine.
	And Rob seems to be completely fine with that because he's allowed himself to pretend it's in the name of empathy for the Ukrainian people.
	In reality, it's going to be letting a dictator just flat out steal part of a country by force and at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives when all the Ukrainians actually want is to be left the fuck alone.
	Like, that's what they're asking for.
	Yeah, the tragedy is that Ukraine is allowed to be used as a pawn between, like, global superpowers.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, that's a tragedy.
	It shouldn't be allowed to even happen.
	Yep, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	So from here, Russell chimes in, musing about how educated everybody is these days on such a wide range of subjects.
	All of us now, if we want to be, are educated in such a vast array of subjects, not the kind of academic education that defined...
	Discourse on old media, but this new, somewhat discursive, autodidactic awareness of like, hang on a minute, I know now that that's how that was funded.
	Edward Bernays started the PR profession.
	He used Freud's.
	They're like, all of us are sort of like, got all of this access to all of this information now.
	That's what happened, Russell.
	That's what happened with Jimmy Dore.
	Who's a great man and a great commenter.
	When he said, when he commented, because what happens is there's a sort of brainwashing that happens by the CNN and by, you know, by Fox News and everything.
	It's just, they start saying stuff and then you just becomes, you know, you keep saying it and saying it and saying it.
	And then it takes really, what it was, was because the...
	You know, truthfully, the academics were silenced because they were afraid of losing their tenure at university or getting fired.
	And then you had the scientists and doctors.
	You know, I had a scientist, a friend of mine, you know, a professor of...
	He's a professor of medicine.
	He was at the NIH, and he didn't want anybody to quote him, and I couldn't quote him.
	So the normal people in society who would question things were all silenced and kicked off social media and whatever, and kicked out of the debate.
	So there was no more debate.
	And so you had comedians like, you know, like yourself, like Rogan, Jimmy Dore.
	And Jimmy Dore was the one who said, you know, they said, don't, you know, they were mocking you for doing your own research.
	So don't do your own research.
	And there's a meme of a girl sitting on the toilet doing research.
	And Jimmy Dore's like, you don't want us to do our own research?
	You mean read?
	You don't want us to read?
	They don't want us to think for ourselves.
	They literally think of us as cattle.
	They do.
	At the highest level, wherever it's Rockefeller, all the way down, they think of us and treat us like we're cattle.
	Rockefeller all the way down don't want us to read!
	Yeah, that's kind of not the point that stupid meme will have been making, Rob.
	It's that most people can't be trusted to do their own research, often through no fault of their own.
	Search engines like Google tend to overwhelmingly favor confirmation bias towards whatever it is you've typed into search, and it really does depend what it is you're trying to look up as to how that's going to come back.
	The Rockefeller family is a great example.
	If I simply search John Rockefeller bio or biography, I'm likely to come back with something relatively neutral.
	But say my search is maybe a little bit more specific based on something I heard on a podcast.
	And I search...
	John Rockefeller, Jewish.
	Or John Rockefeller, globalist.
	And suddenly that research begins to take a wild turn and it is increasingly dependent upon how much I intend to trust the word of strangers on the internet.
	And then, of course, like muddying the waters, you have people like Russell, like Alex Jones, like Tucker Carlson, who willfully lie to their audience and tell them very specific things to look up, usually trafficked in through the likes of Michael Schellenberger or Matt Taibbi.
	And again, if anyone wants an example of this happening in real time, watch RFK. So yes, people doing their own research is a tricky situation.
	And like, yeah, I want people to read personally, but there absolutely is a degree of caution and media literacy that's required, as well as just like reading comprehension in general that needs to be taught.
	Of course, in wanting that, I'm literally up against people like Russell who are ultra-wealthy, have millions of followers, a lot of assets at their disposal, and the alt-right media sphere wouldn't exist if I got my wish, most likely.
	So maybe it's a tall order.
	Well, yeah, you can't acknowledge the flood of information from the internet without the flood of money that is the monetary incentive to bias the information.
	And the algorithm that lends toward confirmation bias is part of that, like tailoring Google's algorithm to what you search and your like attitudes and preferences.
	Or maybe your phone's listening to the conversation you have in the first reel you see on Instagram after you're done recording a podcast is literally exactly what you were talking about.
	Did I send that to you or did I not?
	It was just funny.
	It was a funny, cute like, well, yeah, that like.
	that generates A mind palace for individuals to spend, to consume, to spend money and energy and time on whatever, to the highest bidder.
	Yeah, that's where we're at.
	You can't have the information without the money conversation.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What the fuck?
	Yep.
	Oh, and another thing from that clip.
	I do love how Rob's friend at the NIH not wanting to be quoted is somehow evidence of him being silenced.
	Like, regardless of what this friend would have said or would say in private, like, maybe he just didn't want to be put in the spotlight of your bullshit, Rob.
	I mean, fully.
	Yeah, well, the thing is, he can make this argument from his own position.
	If you Google Rockefeller, hey, you might find a multi-part, really glossy series from the History Channel about how great he was.
	So, like, let's take that to task!
	Yeah.
	Because it's not just him.
	It's for capitalism.
	And even like, well, there was stuff that happened that was kind of bad.
	But look at all this good stuff he did so we can excuse anything bad that might systemically be inescapable because of the control this family had.
	Dynasty, if you will, in American politics.
	And gobs and gobs and gobs of money.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Maybe there are conversations to be had there that are a bit more worthwhile.
	The state of labor and unions in this country can be directly correlated to very bad things that Rockefeller and his little buds did.
	That's like a real thing.
	Real thing!
	Make that complaint!
	It's right there!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So Rob continues this thought and goes down the line of where the Founding Fathers would stand.
	And that we're not capable of making.
	I remember the great Englishman, you know, not great, but the English statesman that said, like, he described it as the bewildered herd.
	You can have somebody on your staff look that up who said that.
	We cannot let the bewildered herd make their own decisions.
	The bewildered herd, that's cattle.
	And I don't even think of us, I think cattle would be a compliment to how they really see us.
	I think they see us as like insects.
	I think like Bill Gates looks at us.
	Like, we're just a bunch of fleas.
	I mean, I really don't, I think there's a, you know, so for the idea, through these podcasts and through these independent journalists, we had, and people who stepped away, like Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberg, and dared question this thing and was able to, like, I mean...
	You could say this about the Democrats and say this about the liberals.
	They knew what Elon Musk was going to do to Twitter.
	They had an inkling that he was going to expose things.
	They had an inkling that he was going to be conservative.
	That he had been talking and wanting free speech.
	And they knew it.
	But they still are such whores.
	Because at the end of the day, their real God is money.
	And they took the $44 billion.
	Which was overpaid, by the way.
	But he didn't care because that was just 25% of his wealth at the time.
	But he realized that there was something more important than wealth.
	And that was to be what the potential of Twitter was and could be, which was a beacon for free speech in the world.
	And that's, do you take America for better or for worse?
	But that...
	First Amendment to free speech is the beacon call for freedom to world order.
	It is.
	It is why people are swimming to get here and doing everything they can because that freedom of speech, they realized, our founding father said, a lot of things can happen.
	However, the right to bear arms was the Second Amendment.
	They could have made that first, but they realized, and George Washington realized and said that, the real...
	The real thing we have against our protection against tyranny more than guns, really, is our free speech.
	Uh-huh.
	I mean, the Founding Fathers, much like Shakespeare, said a lot of things, Rob.
	What I do love here is this amazingly ignorant perspective that America is the only place that has freedom of speech, and that's why people are crossing oceans to get there.
	You know, it has nothing to do with economic situations or people fleeing war-torn countries or anything.
	No, no.
	It's freedom of speech.
	We ruined their countries, and we won't stop secretly sending them guns.
	And propaganda is a lot about how amazing America is.
	And then, at the same time, expect no one to want to go there.
	So, yeah, for the record, degree of protection varies, but around 150 countries in the world have freedom of speech, including the one I'm currently in.
	And when I say degree of protection varies, I also mean that, like, hey, hate speech is not protected, for instance.
	Some bad things are not protected by freedom of speech, as well as the claim, you know.
	Yeah, ain't all it's cracked up to be, turns out.
	Yeah, not a fan.
	That English statesman that Rob was talking about was actually American.
	I was like, oh, how wrong is he?
	Just tell me how wrong.
	He can't get the godfather right.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He's going to struggle with a guy called Walter Lippmann, who said that mass man functioned as a bewildered herd who must be governed by a specialized class whose interests reach beyond the locality.
	The elite class of intellectuals and experts were to be a machinery of knowledge to circumvent the primary defect of democracy, which is the impossible ideal of the omnicompetent citizen.
	So he's talking about experts and elected officials being better educated.
	The working class, basically.
	And being able to kind of, you know, disseminate.
	And who was Walter Lippmann?
	That sounds familiar, but I can't place who that person is.
	He was like a political scientist kind of dude from the 20s.
	He's talking about experts and elected officials being better educated and being able to disseminate that information to the working class, but also ultimately knowing better.
	Which, also, back in the 20s and 30s, when he said it, will have had a lot more relevance.
	The education system functioned quite differently for a start.
	I think education levels have crept up since then, is what I'm going to say.
	Yeah, but I'd like to see what he has to say about workers.
	Genuinely.
	Oh, sure, sure.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There's plenty of educating going on, but yeah, 20s and 30s is a hairy time.
	Like, maybe.
	Did you say stuff that was about eugenics that probably wasn't great?
	Maybe.
	Very possible.
	Great assault!
	I'm not going to go out on a limb and defend the guy.
	I'm just saying what he was saying relevant to where Rob was coming in.
	Yeah, it doesn't matter.
	Like, come on.
	Yeah, sure.
	I mean, Rob's like the vagary.
	And listen, we've all talked about, I address, this microphone steals words from me all the time.
	But if you're going to make that point, and it happens, it does happen, but if you're going to make that point, then just being like they, an English statesman, that's even like American bias.
	Like, oh, a guy.
	Whose quote sounded too smart for you to remember?
	Well, he's British.
	I mean, that's like such a weird kind of like just people who live in these education glass houses shouldn't be throwing education stones.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How else would that apply?
	Who is they?
	What are we doing?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Does Russell talk?
	He does a lot of just letting Rob kind of run with it, to be honest.
	And other times where Russell just kind of says words but has nothing to say.
	There's plenty of that as well.
	But yeah, it just seems like Russell's surreptitiously absent from...
	Yeah, I would say he did take more of a backseat in this one than a lot of conversations.
	I mean, cool nap, I guess.
	Good for you.
	Yeah, right?
	I hope he feels refreshed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	As for the Democrats' god being money, like, you guys just put Trump and, by proxy, Elon Musk into positions of power.
	Like, you kind of lost the right to criticize others for worshipping money and billionaires and all this other shit.
	Especially when, again, Rob Schneider has a net worth of $10 million.
	He's got a horse in this race.
	Yeah, but all the poor people in America voted for Trump, so he's the people's hero.
	Yeah, right.
	You just said that.
	That's what...
	This is...
	Duh!
	There we go.
	Well, you know what?
	I've lost.
	That's it.
	You just have to totally shut yourself off to the reality of the world around you and then enter a different reality that Rob Schneider...
	And it really would help if you would just...
	Take it as it comes.
	If you just let Rob Schneider explain how everything actually is, it'll make a lot of sense.
	I see.
	Okay, good.
	Well, I'll try that for this next clip because we get back to RFK Jr. and Rob explains his love for the guy.
	And I had an interesting conversation with Bobby because I said, you know, you have a really good chance of getting in now.
	This is going to be something.
	And I reminded him, like, why my father loved his father, Bobby Kennedy.
	And that's why I have such an affinity for him, because my father loved his father.
	Because Bobby Kennedy Sr. made a gigantic move towards being to humanity.
	Because he was a guy who was the, you know, literally the hard-ass, you know, muscle.
	The what?
	It was the first one, apparently.
	And seeing what happened to Americans, the black Americans, and the abject poverty, and the cruelty, and the fact that the disparity in our society, in the freest country in the world, that moved him.
	When he saw the poverty in Mississippi in 1968-67, he was moved by that and became this incredible...
	I mean, it was really Robert Kennedy was the one that stopped the burning of the cities after Martin Luther King was assassinated.
	He was the guy that the African Americans looked to and says, we still have Bobby.
	So he's a...
	And you have that with Robert Kennedy.
	And for all...
	What?
	You know, none of us are perfect.
	And Robert certainly would admit that.
	And certainly when you lose your father at 14 years old, you witness your own uncle getting...
	Getting murdered.
	And your father, it's going to, you know, the fact that he survived that from all, whether he did drugs to, you know, and who could deny him?
	The fact that this man now has, with all flaws and whatever, his heart, and through 19 years of prayer, let me do something.
	The times that I've spent with him, it is how can we make this better?
	How can we really improve the lives of the average American?
	How can we help children who are now...
	Over 54%, and truthfully, it's closer to 60%, suffer from chronic illnesses to stuff that's unheard of.
	The fact that even questioning this can get us kicked out of decent society tells us something that our decent society is no longer decent.
	Rob Schneider, talking about the decency of society, does feel somewhat like we've jumped the shark here, which Russell does bring up in a second.
	But yeah, it seems he loves RFK Jr. because his dad loved RFK Jr.'s dad, and that counts for something, and RFK Jr. is a continuation of his father's legacy.
	Citation needed.
	Yes, citation needed, including the apparently overwhelming support of black people everywhere.
	Citation needed.
	And yeah, that's what's going on there.
	For real?
	This narrative.
	This narrative that Rob Schneider just spun.
	Some flaws, like forgiveness, great, cool.
	Some flaws matter.
	Some flaws...
	Are fundamentally disqualifying.
	That's just real.
	That's life.
	What?
	And I'd say...
	I could...
	RFK Jr. is an exemplar of some of the flaws that matter.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, I know there's no explicit kind of rule prohibiting it, but I feel like, you know, if you leave a dead bear in Central Park, that should kind of be like, hey, you can't take, you know, government office.
	Like, that's one of the things.
	That whole situation, though, genuinely, like, there should have been, yeah, there should have been some kind of, like, it wasn't legal.
	Repercussion of some kind, yes.
	It was also not legal.
	It was crazy.
	Because, yeah, prank?
	What?
	That's not even what I'm talking about.
	But it doesn't fucking help.
	It's okay if you're super fucked up because you had a fucked up life and I think we're all pretty aware of the fucked up life that he's had.
	Maybe you don't get to be in charge of the health of America because of the flaws.
	Pick another job!
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm with you.
	I'm with you.
	Like, yeah, there are other kind of, you know, safer things that the guy could be doing.
	Beach cleanup!
	You're passionate about it!
	Obviously!
	That can be your job!
	Yeah, something in the Department of Wildlife.
	Something like that.
	Textbook park ranger, in my opinion.
	Yes, right.
	Yeah, there we go.
	Coast Guard!
	Work it out!
	Yeah.
	Oh, and as for the 60% of children suffering from chronic illnesses, firstly, as we know, medicine diagnosis has come a long way in the last half a century, since 1975. So has plastic!
	Right.
	There are a lot of things that people are diagnosed with now that they weren't 50 years ago.
	Fucking welcome, Grandpa.
	But also, one thing that they're lumping in there is obesity statistics, which then muddy the waters.
	And also advance the blatant fatphobic campaign that Kennedy has been on for a long fucking time.
	Throwing that in there as well.
	Oh, another one.
	Thank you.
	All right, so here the conversation pivots to what Rob and Russell have given up to be where they are now.
	Oh, man.
	Rob, the reason I was laughing is because I was thinking, when I was younger, growing up, watching Juice Bigelow...
	Male gigolo, one and two.
	I did not imagine that this would be the conversation that we would one day have.
	I let that film influence me too much, by the way.
	That gigolo game has a high price tag on it, let me tell you.
	That's why I think you and I have a special position, where people should question our motives.
	They should always.
	They should question all of us.
	But we're coming from such a place.
	Such a place of just selfishness and an elitist art form that I think to give that up says something about us, but also they should continue to question our motives always.
	And I would just say to those people, to just continue, I wouldn't do as I do.
	I'd say I am the worst example of stuff.
	I am doing everything I can to...
	You know, to try to be a light now, to reflect God's light.
	And I think that that's something that I'm going to have to work to strive to for what, you know, the hedonistic life that I'd led.
	But I think that, you know, there is something that we can offer.
	And I would say for us to have turned our backs against it.
	For all the wonderful things that Hollywood can provide in show business.
	I mean, when they lift you up and all of a sudden, you know, you're at a restaurant getting a table before other people.
	That's a nice thing.
	You don't want to give that up, Russell.
	You want to keep that.
	Make a reservation.
	There is a calling that I think has been, you know, I want to believe that I have been called for some reason.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I do kind of need to push back on this notion that either Rob or Russell gave up Hollywood.
	Neither of them made some...
	Great fucking sacrifice.
	You know, their careers had been on a downturn for quite some time, and then they made pivots to the anti-vax and alt-right community, which happened to be more profitable than their careers in film and media were anymore.
	You know, if Russell or Rob were still hot shit in Hollywood, you'd better believe they'd still be there making movies or whatever else.
	But no, no, no.
	According to Rob's telling of it, they both stepped away in some grand sacrifice.
	Some calling, you know?
	And even now, they can claim they've stepped away as much as they want.
	They're still going to get fucking special treatment from the people who like them.
	I've seen plenty of social media footage of Russell with fawning fans all over him and that kind of thing.
	And I imagine, perhaps to a lesser degree, Rob perhaps still has some of that himself.
	You know, when he goes around, people are like, oh, hey, Rob Schneider, you know.
	Maybe sometimes.
	Maybe sometimes.
	It just feels like maybe those moments are highly curated.
	Alright, here's the trick that is not cool that Rob Schneider's doing in this clip particularly.
	It sounds really noble and right and good for Rob to say like...
	My pal, Rab.
	We're on a first name basis.
	Feel free to question my motives.
	Like, oh, listen to me.
	Feel free to question my motives.
	How do you react when people do question your motives?
	Hey, to the panel.
	Men, how do you react when people question your motives?
	Are you reasoned and measured and take that on board?
	Or do you claim it's a conspiracy?
	I think I know which one you do!
	Yeah, I feel that last one feels a lot more familiar.
	I will say that.
	I'd say, if I'm taking...
	The rich white males, you know?
	Well, I mean, the evidence in totality, yeah.
	I think...
	I think I have more evidence for the latter.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Seems to come up a lot more.
	But it makes him look like he's magnanimous.
	Doesn't it just?
	Doesn't it just?
	Okay, so now we get to Rob talking about his anti-vax beliefs.
	There are people, there's unnecessary suffering that happens in this country.
	And one of the things that, in every country, but in our culture.
	And for, I met these parents who said their kids were absolutely fine.
	And then they were giving these vaccines and then all of a sudden they had regressed and they couldn't speak anymore.
	And some of them had in the 90s when there was still a lot more mercury in these shots.
	What?
	They literally, some of them had to wear helmets and they never recovered from it.
	Oh my God.
	And these parents who met with me, I believe them and I still believe them.
	What is their motivation?
	Their motivation is simply to prevent other suffering for other families to not have to deal with that.
	And I was so moved by that.
	And I said, well, I'll speak on your behalf because I had a bigger voice at that time.
	And so I went to Sacramento and California and spoke before the...
	The State Senate hearings.
	And for that, I was attacked, you know, and as this crazy anti-vaxxer.
	And what I really am is a crazy person who believes parents and who wants to, who wants to, who wants the same thing.
	I mean, because what those parents gave me was knowledge and they didn't want that suffering.
	So my kids are fine.
	And I'm grateful to them because what they really did was, out of the love of their own hearts, to want to minimize the suffering of others, they minimized the potential sufferings for families like mine.
	Oh dear.
	Well, it would appear Rob's three kids aren't vaccinated.
	I think we can potentially take that information away based on his telling of it.
	Yeah, that was all pretty fucked up.
	As far as the medical claims and everything, we went through it pretty thoroughly in our Aaron Siri episode.
	Yeah, this is a whole hat.
	Yeah, by all means, circle back to that if anyone wants to hear the deconstruction of a lot of this bullshit.
	But let's have a little look at Rob's anti-vax efforts here for a sec.
	So the event that he's talking about was on September 28th, 2012, when him and California State Assemblyman Tim Donnelly spoke at the Medical Freedom Rally, where they urged California Governor Jerry Brown to veto Assembly Bill 2109, which would have made it more difficult for parents to use philosophical reasons for exemptions from mandatory childhood vaccinations.
	While the bill was not vetoed, Governor Brown added a signing message instructing the Department of Health to add a religious exemption and to make sure the process was not overly burdensome to pay.
	In a 2012 interview with News 10 in Sacramento, Rob said that, quote, He also views the actions from the state of California to mandate vaccinations as government overreach.
	That's how he describes that.
	In 2015, he actively opposed the passage of...
	California Assembly Bill 2109, so that's when it eventually got through, and California Senate Bill 277, which both made childhood vaccination exemptions harder to obtain.
	While fighting California Senate Bill 277, which removed exemptions to mandatory vaccinations due to personal beliefs, Rob Schneider left a phone message to California State Assemblywoman and Bill co-author Lorena Gonzalez saying that he would spend money against her in the next re-election.
	So left her a voicemail.
	Gonzalez, in an interview with the Washington Times...
	He spoke truth to voicemail.
	Excuse me.
	Yes, sorry, sorry.
	Gonzalez, in an interview with the Washington Times, said that she found the message to be disturbing.
	But upon calling Rob Schneider back, she said, quote, He was actually much nicer to me, but let's be honest, that is 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back, arguing that vaccines don't cause autism with Juice Bigelow Mel Gigolo, unquote.
	Well, you're a politician.
	Boo fucking hoo.
	Come on.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's literally the job is...
	You know, the documentary Parks and Recreation.
	Yeah, that's the job.
	Yep, that's the gig.
	People get to talk to you.
	That's part of it.
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	Oh, man.
	Well, I am surprised to hear how far back he goes with...
	He wasn't an early adopter, necessarily, because Jenny McCarthy was on this stuff for a long time.
	And she's hot, so people listened.
	And, I mean, like, it's kind of funny that we don't have, you know, like, the synonymous kind of, like, shortlist of, like, celebrities and, like, that fell for the Wakefield thing.
	Jenny McCarthy being, you know, she wasn't necessarily the most famous, but certainly she was in the news.
	And then, like, Jim Carrey.
	Yeah, like, those are the go-tos is what, but, like, Rob Schneider isn't that kind of go-to OG anti-vaxxer.
	And I think it's because he wasn't famous enough.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, just nobody asked him.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, quite possibly.
	Quite possibly.
	Had someone asked him sooner, it might have been before 2012, you know?
	But that was when someone gave a shit.
	Yeah, and if you're worried about these kind of things, like, Rob, I'm your consultant now.
	I'm your PR consultant.
	Rob, if you were worried about these kind of things.
	Checkers in the mail.
	Yeah.
	That, like, Okay, Teflon.
	Are you rallying against Teflon being in everything and chipping off and then we eat it?
	Like, it's Teflon Rob.
	It's got a ring.
	It's snappier than Scamdemic.
	Yeah.
	We gotcha.
	Is that what you're concerned about?
	Oh, no?
	Okay.
	Seems not.
	Right.
	Come on.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's got a very specific lens.
	Okay, so next Rob does his best accidental impression of a youth pastor.
	I feel like, you know, whatever I do, whatever I can stand up and try to do in my own ignorant, uneducated way, is just, you know, they say like the, you know, it's whatever good works is rags in the face of the Lord.
	And it made me realize that like...
	How much more, if my good works are rags in the face of the Lord, how much more my pride, my ego, my vanity.
	And so it became a real moving thing.
	I realized that to lose everything is nothing, because it was nothing.
	And I needed to go through that.
	I needed to have that removed from me so that I could, it's for my own humanity and for my own...
	To kind of come to a place where a higher self.
	And it is a beautiful thing for people who were looking to rebel and to be different and edgy, like some of the movies that you try to make and try to be as outrageous as you can.
	These days, everyone is doing that.
	It's as edgy, whatever.
	If you really want to be a rebel now, come to Christ.
	He's the original rebel.
	I mean, that's how rebellious is that.
	And how about the faith of those when he said, take this.
	This is my body.
	Take this in memory of me.
	I mean, how about the people, like, some people, that was too much for them.
	And they couldn't take it, and they left.
	And I'm sure that there was, like, that was a lot for the apostles.
	Yeah, they were like, ew, gross.
	Weird.
	Weird, Jesus.
	It comes back to that for me.
	It's a humbling.
	So we've given up the ego and the vanity?
	This is the new humble, no vanity.
	This is Rob Schneider who values our time and attention as it is precious and time on earth is finite.
	I wouldn't go that far.
	It's really important that he take these times in the public eye to really just offer value.
	To people.
	Not just prattle on.
	Just endlessly.
	For the sake of his ego.
	In a sentence where he doesn't know where it's going.
	You can hear him filling in the blanks as he's going.
	He's like, ah, what's the next fucking thing?
	There's something.
	I'm going somewhere.
	This train is going somewhere.
	I'm not sure where, but I'm going to find it.
	Well, he gets us, so I understand.
	I'm sure he was humbled long ago.
	But yeah, if you want to be a rebel, come to Christ.
	Come to Christ.
	He's the original rebel.
	I swear, like, it seemed like he was moments away from, like, breaking out an acoustic guitar and, you know, sitting on a chair back to front, you know, all that stuff.
	The other thing...
	Well, it's the guitar or the A.C. Slater sit.
	You can't do both.
	Right.
	I see, I see.
	He was at an impasse, is what you're saying.
	Yeah, if you're sat in that position, you can't get the guitar on the knee.
	It's difficult.
	I am picturing Rob Schneider, who's not super tall, on one of those pizza parlor chairs, and he's trying to play guitar around the back of it.
	It's like dangling from his neck like a marionette puppet, and he's trying to play the guitar and talk about how Jesus gets us and be a rebel for Christ.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, the other thing...
	I might watch that.
	I might watch that Funny or Die clip.
	I might.
	It's more entertaining than this.
	Than watching Rob and Russell.
	But yeah, a minute ago, Rob joining the alt-right was some great sacrifice.
	It was a calling for him, right?
	And then in this clip here, he lost everything and it was all taken from him, seemingly against his will.
	So he's trying...
	I'm going to play both the noble martyr and the victim here.
	And it feels a little convoluted.
	I'm going to say that.
	I'm going to say that.
	He's not landing either.
	You said youth pastor, we know.
	Okay, so Russell closes out the conversation here in this next clip.
	Rob, thank you so much for sharing that with us.
	I'm sorry we've not had more time to get into Christianity, the spirit of play.
	I feel like next time we have a conversation, we'll have to do it live with an audience.
	I'd love to organise that because I feel like we could really revel in some chaos together.
	But thank you for our conversation today, Rob.
	It's been an amazing, wild and unpredictable journey with you and I'm really grateful for your time today.
	Thanks, Rob.
	Thank you, Russell.
	It's been a pleasure.
	Let's do this again.
	Great.
	Yeah, that conversation was as wild and unpredictable as watching cement dry.
	Like, ooh, there's a bubble here and a bubble there, but mostly this thing's staying still, huh?
	I'm honestly kind of amazed that two, like, entertainers, comedians, actors can have such a fucking dull conversation.
	And believe me when I say I picked out the interesting parts.
	There was a full 15 minutes of Rob Schneider monologuing about God somewhere in the middle.
	I listened to it twice, and in both instances just felt my head implode.
	I was like, nope.
	Nope!
	Nope!
	Yeah, brain crushing is certainly an...
	I'd say that's an accurate description.
	Right.
	How it feels to listen to them.
	Yeah, in summation, like, if these two do end up getting together in a live setting, I hope to God they get a bit of the juice going.
	Because hopefully the live audience will do something to well them up a bit, you know?
	What Russell said, I'm like, well, that's an excellent theory.
	I don't know that there's evidence I've witnessed.
	Exactly.
	Like, I know Russell is better in a live setting.
	He's uniformly, like, more switched on in a live setting.
	I don't know about Rob.
	I do not know about Rob.
	Yeah, I mean, the only evidence I see in this interview is of a carbon monoxide leak.
	But I read on the toilet, so what the fuck do I know?
	That's amazing.
	Jesus.
	Well, if you're still here, bless your heart.
	Yeah, thanks for coming on this journey.
	Wake up!
	Hey!
	Your phone's still on!
	Wake up!
	Yes, yeah.
	Oh, dear.
	Wait, no, that's harsh.
	I know some people do fall asleep to our show for some reason.
	You crazy people.
	Well, your battery's gonna die, and you're gonna miss your alarm, and you're gonna be late for work.
	I'm doing him a solid.
	Thanks to Rob Schneider.
	Unless the phone's plugged in, in which case I did just wake you up and I apologize.
	I'm sorry.
	My bad.
	Yeah.
	This was an exercise in futility?
	I don't know.
	I don't know what to take from this.
	It was something.
	It was something.
	Yeah, like I said, I went in with much higher expectations for this situation, and then I was like, oh!
	Well, that's your fault.
	Yeah, that's partly my fault, but just immediately dashed.
	Immediately dashed.
	I was like, oh no.
	Oh dear.
	Okay.
	The one thing, and I noticed this actually when we talked about the Maha stuff, right?
	The one thing, and it baffles me a little bit.
	Rob Schneider does have is thorough sincerity.
	He comes across super genuine.
	I feel myself buying what he's selling as a kind person in the world.
	There is something about his delivery that I'm buying it.
	And I caught myself...
	Several times listening to these clips and, like, watching his face.
	And maybe it doesn't come through.
	I'm interested.
	Listeners, sound off.
	Like, as far as what comes through in the recording versus looking at him.
	Because there is just...
	He does have this, like, sincere quality that is...
	Not even, you know, like, my present brain, but, like, it speaks to my lizard brain.
	That's...
	I'd imagine, especially if he was, like, taking up the mantle for parents who believed that, you know, their government-mandated vaccines to go to school were, like, making their kids sick.
	I can see that person being really effective in, like, pulling on heartstrings and empathy in, like, a public kind of forum or, you know, like, that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So it makes sense what his value is to this movement, right?
	Yeah, yeah, I would agree.
	Like, he does seem to mean what he says.
	Like, he does seem to, from what I can tell, he seems to believe the things that he's saying.
	You know, again, from what I can tell, you can't read a person's mind, but it seems that way, which I think is partly why I'm kind of willing to believe that, yeah, he's done a bunch of these events for free.
	I'm like, maybe that is true.
	Maybe he has done that and everyone else is getting paid.
	You know?
	Maybe...
	You can take that up with his manager.
	I mean, that's...
	Your agent needs a word.
	But yeah, I'm surprised.
	You're not wrong.
	I mean, it would be shitty if he's doing the same job other people are doing.
	That's a pay gap that Rob Schneider needs to worry about.
	It's interesting how...
	I mean, Jim Carrey came off that way, too.
	When he was talking about it in public, right?
	Like, very sincere.
	And, ah, that's...
	I think that's why Rob Schneider is still around.
	Because, obviously, he's been at this way longer than Russell.
	Like, that's...
	I mean, again, I don't know if...
	I don't know if he's going to have the same draw.
	You know, like, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	There's the engine behind him, right?
	Especially based on this conversation.
	Good lord.
	But yeah, he seems like a true believer, and you do need those interspersed in amongst the grifters to add the legitimacy.
	So yeah, maybe.
	Maybe.
	Yeah.
	I'll be interested to see if that conversation comes to pass in a live setting anyway.
	I'll keep tabs on that.
	Oh, boy.
	Yeah, well, let's not hold our breath, shall we?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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