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Oct. 6, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #79 - Russell Rescues The Republic: Part Two

In part two of the Rescue The Republic event we tackle the rest of Russell and Jordan Peterson's double act, as well as covering Matt Taibbi, Del Bigtree, and Tiffany Justice of Moms For Liberty. Support us on Patreon! Buy a magnet!

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	Where did this guy come from?
	It's like he's been doing it for ages, he's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's a sort of like a poet.
	Is this Eminem? Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I mean, I do think it was just the P.
	Now, these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win, win, win, win, win, win, win.
	This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one Russell Brand.
	I'm Al Worth, and each week I go through an episode of Brand Show with my co-host Lauren B. That's me, I'm Lauren B, and I'm the host that has no idea what we'll be getting into this week, but it's usually bad.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	And Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing today?
	It's officially spoopy season.
	Oh yeah. We've started.
	It's commenced. The ghouls and ghosts and goblins are out.
	Nice. And all the weirdos.
	It's our month. It is.
	I love that now there's think pieces about like, oh, everybody's like so into Halloween now.
	Yeah. Yes.
	Yeah. We always have been.
	It's always been this way.
	It's always been tight. It's great.
	Yeah. That being said, please don't buy plastic costumes from a bag.
	Please, please, please. Yeah.
	Fast fashion gets ramped up to 11 this time of year.
	Pumpkins biodegrade.
	Yes! Yeah.
	Make spiderwebs out of rope.
	There are so many crafts.
	There's so many things that you can do that do not adversely affect the planet and go immediately into landfill.
	Please, please, please, please, please.
	You are more creative than you think.
	And it's more fun. You get to do the thing.
	Well, I mean, it takes time.
	You're right. But think about all the time that you spend shopping and looking at stuff.
	And that does feel fun.
	Steal their ideas.
	Steal every idea from Spirit Halloween that you possibly can.
	They're not going to do anything.
	They're already stealing it from somebody else.
	And make your own stuff.
	Use what you have.
	Shop in your house.
	And celebrate.
	Spooky season.
	It's Halloween.
	This is Halloween. We're here.
	We're doing it. I'm thrilled.
	I'm absolutely thrilled.
	Yeah, it's the most wonderful time of the year.
	It's the best. What's your good thing?
	My good thing is, um, so this is also a good time of year for me in general, because, like, generally, kind of in the autumn kind of time, in the fall, um, that's when a lot of my favorite musicians tend to release albums, um, for some reason.
	Um, and, um, one that has released an album a couple of weeks ago that I've finally gotten around to listening to is, um, do you remember Siva?
	The, uh, the kind of, you know, alt-metal kind of band?
	Um, they did a song with Amy Lee, Broken.
	Um... I remember seeing their stickers.
	Yes. Yes, yes.
	Well, anyway, they were a big part of my, like, teenage angst kind of years, specifically.
	And I've been following them since.
	And, like, great live band, great band in general.
	I've always found Sean Morgan to be a really interesting lyricist.
	He always picks, like, really weird words.
	He'll use, like, it irks me as, like, an opening line to a song.
	And I'm like, well, that's a choice.
	I mean, that's fascinating. But anyway, they've got a new album out, and it's really good!
	And I'm like, oh, it feels like a lot of their classic kind of stuff from the early to mid-2000s, but a little bit updated and kind of with a few interesting choices.
	I was like, oh, this hits the spot, man.
	This hits a very specific spot for me.
	But I am into it.
	And, you know, it's not for everyone.
	I'm so interested.
	I feel like I'm Jane Goodall sometimes in these conversations.
	I feel like this is going to be another one of those evanescence moments, you know, where everyone else is wrong.
	But hey, it's fine.
	But I'm having a blast.
	It's a really great album.
	Well, it's a specific...
	Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
	For sure. And at the end of the day, well, I don't know if I can make this summation first either necessarily, but like bands that have sold way more records than any band I like, so they must be doing something right for somebody.
	Yeah, yeah. I'm amazed that they're still kicking.
	Yeah, no, they've been pretty consistent, but they've been touring the whole time, been doing the whole thing.
	Incredible. It's incredible.
	God love them. Oh, well, there you go.
	Okay. Yep. Well, that's fun.
	I mean, Christmas time, holiday time.
	That's why they're releasing stuff, so they can sell records.
	Yeah, yeah. That still applies?
	Well, yeah, there's that, but it's also just metal acts and them specifically.
	It always seems to be in the autumn, and so I always associate now the season of autumn and winter with darker music because of that.
	The seething season. The seething season.
	The seething season.
	That sounds like something different.
	That doesn't work. You can't always compound.
	That's okay. Oh dear.
	Anyway, we've got a show to do, and normally we would thank a new patron here, but this is coming out in place of our regularly scheduled off-brand, and so I would like to take a moment to thank all of our patrons.
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	Okay, and yeah.
	Yeah, and so we don't necessarily, I mean, this is not necessarily a part of our show, but we talked about it before we were recording, and I just wanted to, man, Shout out and give a big verbal hug and, I don't know, verbal water tank, I guess, I don't know, to everybody that is affected by Hurricane Helene right now in North Carolina and Georgia and Tennessee.
	People are really going through it and I'm sure That we have either some listeners in that area or people that know, have friends and family in that area and are like really struggling right now.
	I think folks are having a harder time.
	This is common, right?
	Kind of having a hard time to know where to put resources to help.
	Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right now. And there are people that know way more than I do.
	I think it's like old ghosts of Appalachia's posting stuff on Instagram.
	There's people that are like, I know the Trailbillies are posting, because they're from that area.
	They're trying to find the best places to send money, because they both went through floods.
	They were talking about it like, I know whenever we went through this flood, it was really hard to find a place to put the money and the resources.
	Finding, you know, like, resources from the last flood that are just, like, being wasted and it's...
	Right, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Which is crazy. It's crazy that this hurricane exposed, like, pallets and pallets of water bottles that just sat somewhere from the last...
	Disaster. Absolutely insane.
	And so, I don't know.
	I'm frustrated by the lack of coverage because this is a big, big, big disaster.
	It's a big problem. And I don't know.
	I'm fucking heartbroken for people that are going through what they're going through.
	Because, you know, the flood of 93 and, you know, in and around The St.
	Louis area, there was a lot of devastation, but we had time to sandbag, because it was slow.
	So all of this happened all at once, and it's just, I don't know, watching what folks are going through, it fucking sucks.
	And it also sucks that it's not getting the coverage that we should be Yeah, we've been quiet about the whole thing.
	And seeing what FEMA is up to and trying to coordinate with FEMA is what I've heard as far as if you can't figure out where to go, what to do.
	Yeah. Just keep tabs on it and don't forget about a large chunk of our countrymen that are suffering right now.
	Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
	Absolutely. I just made myself very sad.
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	And regarding last week, too, if you see Steve Slepcevic, who we covered, or not last week, earlier this week, and like Strategic Response Partners, he also says something about Sabre.
	That's his private security firm, yeah.
	His private security. Mm-hmm.
	We found one potential problem.
	So y'all wanna poke around and see if he's up to anything?
	Yeah! We gotta name it a face!
	I don't see why he wouldn't, you know, waste this disaster.
	Yeah, exactly. If you see him in the wild, I wouldn't blame you for throwing things at him.
	Anyway... That's illegal.
	But like, if you see, you know, look into where he's at if you're around, you know?
	Near him. But yes, absolutely.
	Keep tabs on these people.
	Name to look for. So here we are for part two of this monstrosity.
	Their event is the monstrosity, that is.
	Our covering it is sort of monstrosity by proxy.
	Which is the name of my next band, by the way.
	In any case, we're going to pick up where we left off, which was the...
	Seether cover band. Yes, right.
	Monstrosity by Proxy doing exclusively Seether covers.
	But yeah, we're going to get back to the double act of Brandon Peterson taking the stage at Rescue the West.
	I mean, Rescue the Republic.
	Sorry. We're going to start with a bit of Geordie Peetz talking about why he, as a Canadian, is at this event.
	So let's go.
	So, what's happening here is of immense international significance, as you know from watching how people around the world are, what would you say, looking to the United States in particular, particularly to defend free speech.
	Because if it's ever defeated here, it's gone everywhere.
	And that would be a terrifying thing.
	And make no mistake, it's under true assault.
	In my country, there's a bill that's in second reading, which has pushed it quite a ways along the legislative route, Bill C-63, which literally allows people to be reported to a provincial magistrate Under the possibility of one year's imprisonment in their own house with an ankle bracelet with all their communication intercepted in consequence of anyone's complaint that they're afraid that a hate speech event might occur in the next year.
	Yes. That's Bill C-63.
	Sounds crazy. And I've read that bill three times because every time I read it and then think about it, I can't believe that I could have possibly understood it properly.
	And yet here we are. And there are very similar things going on.
	There was a terrible bill that was recently defeated in Ireland, for example, which would
	have put severe restrictions on free speech.
	And there are people in the UK who are being persecuted and seriously persecuted for expressing
	their opinions, offensive though they may be, publicly in a manner that is absolutely
	necessary if you're going to support free speech.
	And we know that the free speech that offends no one requires no defense.
	And that's partly because it has no content.
	If I only ever say something that everyone agrees with and produces no emotional response whatsoever, there's no point in even speaking because you don't have to concentrate on what's obvious if you're going to speak.
	You have to concentrate on what's contentious and disruptive and And there isn't anywhere on earth, and this certainly includes my home country, where the protections for that vital right are more thoroughly enshrined and deeply entrenched than they are in the United States.
	And seriously, thank God for that.
	It's so vital.
	It's so important. So we can make money here.
	You know, and so good on you for managing to maintain it.
	And don't be taking it for granted, because it could disappear at any time, as Robert Kennedy pointed out earlier.
	So... Woo, indeed!
	Okay. Okay.
	Yeah, Tommy Robinson was who he was mentioning in the UK, because he had Tommy Robinson on his show, like what, a week or two before, you know, all the race riots kicked off?
	Tight. Cool.
	I'm sure there's no correlation there.
	Yeah, no, he had Tommy Robinson on his show for like, it was like three hours.
	It was a ridiculous conversation with his wife as well.
	Ha! Okay, uh, first thing I want to address, um, is the second part of what he was saying, which is the weird argument that every time you speak you should say something that offends someone somewhere, otherwise whatever you're saying isn't worth saying at all.
	Um, it's- it's a really fucked up perspective, but it completely aligns with the brain rot associated with spending years basing your entire existence on reactionary alt-right bullshit in an attention economy.
	Like, of course he thinks he has to be a hateful piece of shit all the time.
	It's the only way he gets attention.
	Like, that's why he does it.
	It is a bit of like a WikiHow diagram to simplify, like, how you become an asshole.
	Well, pretty much!
	Pretty much! Would you like to be an asshole but feel self-righteous about it?
	Here's how you do it! Say something incendiary whenever you can.
	Right! Yeah, absolutely.
	And much like Russell, Jordan Peterson displays a lot of the classic signs of narcissism.
	And the thing about narcissism is that while they generally prefer positive attention and adoration, in a pinch, negative attention will suffice to replace it.
	So when he's not being revered as some sort of god by people who don't know any better, He needs the hateful bile to keep him going because it scratches the same itch, you know?
	And I think that, well, the money helps.
	That helps! That helps a lot.
	But, like, I think the argument is made that the part of the pernicious, like, narcissist kind of...
	From the position of a narcissist is like, it genuinely doesn't matter if it's good or bad, as long as it's a reaction, as long as it's attention.
	That is affirming to that person because negativity and positivity as far as how things are coded isn't really the same for that type of person.
	Right, yeah.
	It stands to reason that it matters way less than even a bully in school who's desperate for love and attention because of whatever their situation is.
	It feels like negative, if you can get it, positive would probably be better.
	But as an adult, especially if the negative attention pays your bills.
	That's why YouTube has pushed your video and your content to its viewers, is because it's negative.
	It's not just encouraged, it's reinforced.
	I think Jordan just told us all his business model?
	Pretty much. Here's the game plan, everybody.
	And so the other thing I want to address, obviously, is that Canadian Bill C-63 he was on about.
	Please. Please tell me what's real.
	The destruction of free speech in Canada.
	And he said there that he couldn't believe that he could have possibly understood it properly.
	And I have good news for Jordan Peterson.
	He definitely did not understand it properly.
	So, this bill, otherwise known as the Online Harms Bill, has been kicking around since 2021, and this year was revised and tabled to be debated in Canadian Parliament before potentially becoming law.
	The Act would create a new duty of care of large social media platforms, requiring them to take action against harmful content such as hate speech, Social media platforms would also be required to employ age-appropriate design features when the platform is used by a minor, and the Act would also establish a Federal Digital Safety Commission and a Digital Safety Office to enforce the provisions in the Act.
	Most of it has been broadly celebrated as a well-written and detailed piece of policy legislation around online safety, but the right-wing and libertarians have been kicking off about one specific provision.
	Bill C-63 would also include an amendment to the Criminal Code to increase the maximum punishments for the four hate propaganda offences in sections 318 and 319 of the Canadian Criminal Code.
	It would raise the maximum sentence for the offense of advocating or promoting genocide against an identifiable group, which is in section 318, which is already an indictable offense, and it would raise that from five years to a maximum sentence of imprisonment for life.
	That amendment to the Criminal Code also includes a new peace bond authority, which is what Jordan Peterson was on about just then, right?
	So, let me read from the Canadian government website directly.
	Quote, The bill would create a new recognisance, often referred to as a peace bond, that would seek to prevent the commission of hate propaganda, offences, and hate crimes, whether online or offline.
	This provision would be modeled on existing peace bond provisions in the Criminal Code.
	It would allow a judge to impose an order requiring a person to keep the peace and be of good behavior if the judge is satisfied by the evidence that there are reasonable grounds to fear that the person will commit a hate propaganda offense In Section 318 or 319, or the proposed new hate crime offence under Section 320, which is the new bill, a judge would be able to impose the peace bond for a period of up to one year or two years if the defendant has previously been convicted of the above noted hate offences.
	To be clear, section 318 is every person who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence.
	And section 319 is publicly inciting hatred.
	So it makes it an offence to communicate statements in a public place which incite hatred against an identifiable group where it is likely to lead to a breach of the peace.
	Very important end bit there.
	But those are already laws, those two.
	Um, so, uh, the next section of this here, let me, let me read again from the Canadian government website, right?
	The new authority would also provide that a judge may impose any reasonable condition as part of the peace bond in order to secure the defendant's good behaviour and prevent the potential offences from occurring.
	These conditions would be optional and could only be imposed if considered reasonable in the circumstances and necessary to address the specific threat posed by the defendant.
	Some non-exhaustive conditions that a judge could impose, for instance, if warranted by the specific circumstances of the case, include prohibitions on communicating with any person identified in the peace bond and not going to any place specified in the peace bond, except in accordance with conditions that the judge considers necessary And then requirements to return to and remain at their place of residence at specified times, drug or alcohol prohibitions, and weapons prohibitions.
	These conditions are similar to those available for existing peace bonds, because this is already a thing in Canadian law.
	Like parole, yeah.
	Very similar. For example, peace bonds that may be imposed under the criminal code in relation to
	fear of personal injury or damage to property, fear of a criminal organization offense, and fear of
	serious personal injury among others. And a defendant who failed or refused to enter into
	the recognizance could be subject to imprisonment for up to one year. So it's expanding on part of
	the criminal code that's already there.
	And the way I think of it is more in terms of suspended sentences, where it's essentially like, hey, don't do these things again that you've already been found guilty of for this set period of time, and we won't put you in prison.
	If you do do those things, then we will enact the prison sentence, because you clearly are wrong.
	And as mentioned, like, these things can only be enforced based on whatever specific threat the defendant might pose.
	So if you're throwing hate speech around online, enough to lead to a breach of the peace, specifically, you might get a social media ban for a year, for instance, just as a preventative measure, right?
	If you attempted to blow up a mosque, or to use a more recent example, attempted to burn down a hotel full of predominantly Muslim refugees, you might find yourself unable to go near that mosque or hotel for a couple of years, or you might find yourself with a curfew, or weapons ban, something. Now we get to the portion that Jordan Peterson either definitely didn't understand, didn't read, or possibly is intentionally maliciously lying about.
	Yeah. Quote,"...these conditions must be linked to the conduct that is feared, which is a safeguard to ensure liberty, interests, and expressive freedom are impaired as little as necessary.
	As with existing recognizance provisions, a hearing would be held during which the parties can make submissions before an order is imposed.
	The authority to impose an order would be subject to a standard of fear on reasonable grounds that one of the offences at issue will be committed, which courts have interpreted as meaning more than mere suspicion.
	So there has to be like, hey, this is definitely going to happen, right?
	Judges are required to look objectively at the fear and determine whether a reasonable person in the same situation would have the same fear or belief before imposing the order.
	Even where the fear on reasonable ground standard is met, a judge would retain discretion on whether to impose the peace bond and any conditions which would need to be exercised in accordance with the Charter, right?
	Because there are, like, human rights and things to consider, right?
	Any order imposed would be time-limited.
	A person subject to an order could appeal the order and could at any time seek to vary the conditions.
	In addition, applying for the peace bond would require the consent of the Attorney General, which has been recognised by the Supreme Court as providing a degree of procedural protection against misuse.
	So like, yes, exactly, exactly.
	There's a lot of consideration of specifically not taking away people's freedoms just for the fuck of it, right?
	Right. What I find interesting about this is that Geordie Peetz has been crowing about it since at least March, claiming that under this new law he would almost certainly be imprisoned.
	Firstly, I fucking doubt it.
	But secondly, if that did happen, it would be because his specific hate speech had reached the levels of inciting a breach of the peace.
	At which point, what a shame it would be if a person who broke the law suffered the consequences of it.
	But yeah, has been interesting to hear him be like, well, they're gonna put me in prison.
	Okay, well, we can hope, Jordan.
	You fucking wish.
	You wish so bad.
	You'd be such a little hero.
	Yeah, such a martyr to the cause.
	With your ankle monitor in your house.
	Oh dear, oh dear.
	Anyway. So it's basically strengthening stuff that's already there, is what...
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Just in conjunction with online safety and that kind of thing as well.
	Like, those are the new bits.
	And then it was kind of, you know, yeah.
	And adapting some stuff that's already there as well.
	Yeah. Section 318 and 319, kind of making those stronger.
	And then 320 is the new stuff that I mentioned up the top.
	Dear, oh dear. Is there a reason that they're like specific, because usually like legislation kind of has like a motivation, you know, like motivating factor or kind of like a lobby behind it that is trying to get this?
	No, actually. I read one piece that was saying that actually this is kind of the first piece of internet-based legislation that the Canadian government is bringing forward that is actually policy-based rather than through lobbyists or anything, which I thought was interesting.
	So it's purely like, hey, all of this bullshit online is a problem, you know?
	Right. Well, the only reason I ask is a phenomenon I'm seeing with these types of jokers, these specific types of, you know, absolute free speech, except for all the stuff I don't like.
	I want you to be put in a hole, right?
	If you say something that upsets me.
	Guys. Is that there is legislation that's being put forward, has already gone through, that is specifically about and is directed at campus protests over Gaza and Palestinians, like any kind of pro-Palestinian protest.
	Is it specifically weird that they're like...
	I mean, they can target colleges because they wield more power, you know, like they're younger people and they are, you know, like it's easier to kind of like punish them through the college rather than just like a citizen, which it applies to citizens anyway.
	I don't know. That's like an extra piece of trash that the government can throw away if you're just a citizen who cares about where your money goes.
	And so I'm just I'm all I'm wary of any of this bitching because And the discussion of disproportionate enforcement has been an issue on your side of the pond recently, which is hilarious to me because of how leftist protesters get treated, abused, beaten, jailed, lives ruined, sometimes significantly injured.
	And these guys Care not.
	Yeah, they don't buy a fucking eyelid, do they?
	I was curious. At all. It's interesting.
	It's okay. There's only a bunch of instances where it happens every week.
	They can't be bothered to look it up, I guess.
	It's amazing that I... I hear them.
	I kind of always keep that in my mind as far as new legislation that they're bitching about.
	Like how profoundly it either should have already applied to them from old laws or still isn't going to apply to them because they're not kind of the target demo.
	Yeah, no, exactly.
	I would be stunned if Jordan Peterson actually manages to fall foul of any of this bill when it comes into law.
	And a lot of it was also based on the one that passed over here.
	A lot of it was kind of directly cribbed from the Online Safety Act in the UK. So yeah, yeah.
	Which is going great, by the way.
	Yeah, we're doing well.
	Really cracked down.
	Fuck me. Anyway, that's a little deep dive right off the bat.
	Let's get back to the bullshit.
	In case you hadn't realized, right, what we're getting here with these two is a compressed version of their sending 10-minute voice notes to one another, right?
	Except this time with an audience.
	So they're just taking it in turns to say stupid shit and awaiting applause, essentially.
	And with that said, it's now Russell's turn.
	It is significant that the Constitution is now being spoken of as an artifact that can be changed and ordered.
	The New York Times recently said that it might be problematic.
	I mean, you're right.
	It's definitely a negative thing.
	No question about it.
	Because I suppose, yes, when the principle of free speech itself is under threat, then all other values, as you've explained many times to me, fall away in its wake.
	One thing that struck me, Dr.
	Peterson, when you were speaking just then, is the banalization of our culture.
	That means making it ordinary.
	And sterile.
	And lacking in glory.
	And lacking in valor.
	The desacralization.
	That means the taking away of God from all things.
	It seems that there is a globalist and totalitarian scheme to replace God fundamentally.
	To remove God from the conversation.
	In order that the globalist state may lay claim to the edicts that we would previously have afforded our Lord and Savior.
	The one God.
	true living God.
	So there's a globalist and totalitarian scheme to remove God from society so the globalists can lay claim to
	godhood and being worshipped, apparently.
	So, uh, atheism bad and the globalists are doing it.
	Cool stuff. Um, real, real interesting.
	I mean, off the top, the Constitution gives instructions how to change the Constitution.
	Yep, there are several amendments.
	You're arguing with the whole Constitution because it's part of the...
	Yeah, yeah. And the fun thing about that is the audience booed.
	You know, no, the Constitution shouldn't be amended.
	I mean, we've already done it quite a lot.
	If the Constitution didn't want it, the Constitution would say, this can't change.
	Not give a bunch of instructions how to change it.
	It is, yeah, it is changeable by design.
	I would argue the way it was designed, it's supposed to have been changed quite a bit more by now.
	But nonetheless...
	No shit. Originalism?
	Pushes me into the blackness.
	I see the black dog and I follow it.
	I follow her.
	I'm with you. I'm absolutely with you.
	When originalism comes up.
	Because it's so rock stupid.
	It's so obviously rock stupid.
	Yeah. On its face.
	Because you're not even listening to the men you worship.
	Yeah. They'd hate you.
	They'd argue with you.
	They wouldn't take you seriously.
	They'd get away with doing something horrible too to make you go away because they were rich and white and owned land.
	Listen, you'd never be heard from again.
	It would cease to be an issue for them.
	It's how much they would not like it.
	And because in your conception of things, these men would essentially be gods who can write down whatever they want and that should be the law forever, you know, which is just insane.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, it's so, it's at every level.
	Yeah, it just pushes me into the blackness.
	Yes, it should. And I just, I want to go.
	I'm like, yeah. Correct response.
	Let's sink.
	Let's get in a ring. Alright, let's let Russell finish his thought.
	But of course, as a Christian, The principle that matters most to me is non-judgment, forgiveness, service, recognition of my own failings, of my own imperfections, of my own sin.
	Any of you that saw the recent photograph of me in my underpants will know that I am capable of erring even while baptizing.
	I did some baptisms. I've not been a Christian very long, but I'm getting right out there and doing the baptisms.
	The apostles were doing it on day one, is what I heard.
	Yeah, again, you're not an apostle, Russell.
	Jesus, not there.
	Yeah, so I think he's been getting a lot of shit from Christians online.
	Enough that he needed to do like a little mea culpa, which, that's fun.
	Yeah, because he sex-pested all of us.
	He managed...
	It came out in the fucking documentary and in the reporting that he's like a sex pest spider monkey specifically in his underwear.
	And he found a way to keep...
	Yeah, the tighty-whities were specifically mentioned, yeah.
	To keep the trunk, to keep the root chakra above the water.
	We all got got by Russell with that under panties photo.
	All of us.
	That's not, uh-uh.
	Not okay. That's the next class action sexual assault thing.
	Speaking of class action sexual assault situations, we were wondering in the off-brand last week regarding any potential revelations about Russell when it comes to all of the Diddy lawsuits and everything that's coming out.
	Given that Russell did a movie with him and has spent some time with the man, and well, he only goes and brings it up.
	Really? I was literally licking my chops.
	That's terrible. We have to take risks with one another.
	We have to be clear on subjects such as racism and ending bigotry and ending hatred and allowing the people the ability to express themselves individually through their identity based on that principle of Christian love and forgiveness.
	And I'll take a risk.
	A risk greater than finding yourself in the acquaintance of the Clintons or finding yourself on a flight with Jeffrey Epstein.
	And I speak as a man who went to Vegas with Diddy and was safely in my bed by 11 p.m.
	Alone, I point out.
	No freakouts, no baby oil.
	Freakouts? Maybe I can speak to this...
	You know, on the subject of P Diddy, a lot of people enjoyed his early work with Biggie, but...
	After all, did he not see too much territory to Def Jam and the great work of Rick Rubin?
	Oh, Russell was doing an impression of Jordan to Jordan's face!
	Yeah, and Jordan's just having to stand there and grin through it.
	And hate it! And hate it!
	Yeah, he knows what he sounds like.
	But I also...
	Didn't have to say a location. That is too much information.
	Yeah, also, I can't help wondering if he's getting Def Jam confused with Death Row Records there.
	Did he never really have much beef with Def Jam?
	But anyway, yeah, there's something about this very specific admission that feels very much kind of like getting out in front of a story, you know what I mean?
	Like... Sure does.
	You know, there might be some kind of pending revelation about Russell somewhere in the literal hundreds of cases against Diddy and he wanted to get out in front of it like he did with the last allegations against him.
	We shall see. No one made you say that, Russell.
	No! Any liar worth a damn would say vacation or would say a work trip or a trip or was in the same place.
	Maybe because you were in a movie and you couldn't make excuses.
	Build excuses into the lie, dog!
	No? Not even that?
	Anyone with any legal sense would not have said it.
	Just have stayed quiet.
	But hey, okay. It could have stayed in Vegas.
	Yes. Now it ain't.
	It's definitely not now.
	Buffoon? That's incredible.
	Okay, now do something that's like minor, but I think is like...
	It's bothering me as like recovering you know like as you know and I think anybody that was like raised in the church Y'all probably feel a similar like real, ooh, just the dig from this, is Russell is saying service is like one of, and that's absolutely true, is that service is one of the Christian kind of tenets that should be, and genuinely, it's one of the best ones that has all but been erased from like Christian,
	like public representation, especially in America, but like service, Is giving of oneself, not talking for money and not a publicity stunt in your underwear.
	That's not service under any circumstance.
	And anybody that's fucking worked a soup kitchen or worked at your food pantry or done things that were hard and you get dirty and sweaty and gross and you do it a lot, especially Making a fucking rumble deal is not that.
	It is not that.
	Doesn't seem like the same thing.
	No, that's- No.
	No, serving your community.
	And also, you don't have to believe in God to do that.
	P.S. And maybe everybody should be a little more and have more opportunities to organize that to do so.
	That is service. What he's doing.
	That's why they use words.
	Like, why he uses words like Christian and community and, like, he's using those words.
	But he's getting fucking paid!
	He's getting paid to do, like, a vanity project.
	And if he was also doing a bunch of service stuff, He'd have a leg to stand on as far as arguing for that, but I don't see it.
	No, no, no, no.
	I've not seen that from Russell either.
	So now it's back to being Jordan Peterson's turn to bloviate at the crowd.
	So I was actually going to speak to the Christianity element and not to the leave it in Vegas element, and so I think I'll I think I'll do exactly that.
	You know, one of the things that's become very clear to me as a consequence of the studies that have undertaken about the stories that unite us psychologically and socially, the deepest stories we have that unite us, our religious stories, is that Imagine this.
	Imagine you have a choice, because you always do have a choice.
	You have a choice between leaders who presume that there's no transcendent unity.
	There's no foundational truth.
	There's nothing beyond us on the ethical plane, right?
	So people who are tilting in the atheist direction.
	They're beholden to no one above themselves or to no principle above themselves.
	What I've learned from studying what I've studied is that humanity has strived for thousands of years in the most diligent possible manner to conceptualize what should constitute the divine principle of sovereignty to which every man and woman is What was is beholden and and and and by whom they're judged whether they know it or not and that means that there's a sovereign spiritual process that even those who rule us are required to adhere to and kneel to and if you think clearly too many words man fucking hell If you think clearly about that, what you understand is that if you have a man or a woman who's leading, who's in a position of sovereign power, and there's nothing to whom they're beholden, the tendency is going to be very strong for them to regard themselves as the sole source of authority Order and progress.
	And there isn't anything more dangerous and totalitarian than that.
	And so this realization that Russell has come to that there has to be a divine, sovereign principle under which we all operate, including the political, is in no small part a fundamental protection against the totalitarian assumption that the leader himself is God.
	And heaven help us, and seriously so, if we ever fall into that delusion.
	Okay. Atheism bad.
	To this crowd? Yeah.
	To this crowd!
	Well, this is it, right?
	Atheism bad. Got it, right?
	Again, too many fucking words, Jordan.
	I can really, I can really help you get concise if you need it.
	Really? Glass houses, but I don't know.
	Well, true, but I could make his point more concisely than him.
	And if any leaders are atheist, then they will presume themselves God, and they will also have no morality.
	And this is, you know, obviously such a load of horseshit.
	Given that Jordan Peterson has claimed to be an evolutionary biologist before, Despite being nothing of the sort, as well as supposedly being a doctor of psychology, you would think he would know that it's been proven that humans are born with an innate sense of morality, religion or no. It is instilled into us.
	But hey, doesn't fit the narrative, I guess.
	And yeah, the point you're making that...
	That Trump guy doesn't seem, well, for a start, doesn't seem particularly religious, for one thing, because...
	Oh, no, he really likes that one verse, you know, the one...
	About, yeah. Hellfire or something.
	Well, yeah, like, no, he knows a lot about the Bible and he reads it all the time, but it would be unfair and unholy for him to speak about it, so he can't...
	Well, yeah, the rule was he likes it all.
	He doesn't want to pick one first.
	Yes, exactly. Exactly.
	But yeah, also, he does seem to think himself God and has zero morals whatsoever.
	So maybe Trump is actually proving Jordan's point.
	I don't know. He's the one guy that supporters refer to as God King.
	That's a thing. That's insane.
	I don't hear a lot of God King Harris and God King Biden.
	I don't. No.
	Let's be fucking, like, especially talking to this crowd that's gonna show up on this good day.
	Really? Yeah, this is absurd.
	This is absurd.
	Yeah. I mean, well, and also, like, yeah, okay, like, listen.
	Stupid, not stupid, terrible people can get doctorates.
	They do it all the time.
	It probably helps.
	It probably helps navigate the system if you're awful and selfish.
	So yeah, doctor of psychology, sure.
	Whatever qualifications he also claims.
	That's a list. Is absurd.
	Yeah. Right. And it changes.
	Yes. Yeah. It fluctuates.
	This is absurd. Yes.
	Yeah. I mean, the notion that like, and we talked about this a little bit because y'all have been asking great questions and I'm here for it for our live streams.
	Mm. Mm. Which is right, not this Sunday, but next Sunday?
	Yes. Yes.
	Yes. Yes. Okay.
	And we didn't mention it at the top. Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, that's right. We got a live stream.
	Yeah. Let's see.
	About self-employment, right?
	Being self-employed. Be your own boss.
	Mm-hmm. What you find out very quickly is you no longer have one boss.
	You have everyone's your boss.
	Yeah. When you are a leader in a democratic system, which he's saying authoritarian, which like citation needed, To assume like, if you are divinely ordained by God to lead, you have no check or balance on that power.
	If your Christian intuition is the only thing that you need to lead, that's far less accountability than from a secular humanist or even democratic perspective where people are, like you are not just answering to one or a few, Everyone is your boss.
	That's why signing up to be a politician is so insane unless that's the job that you want is to be accountable to as many people as possible.
	Yeah, like the point is you're supposed to be a public servant.
	That's the idea. They are our employees is the notion.
	What I will say is he has specifically moved the goalposts of this conversation because he did use the word sovereign a couple of times.
	Sovereign, implying monarch, implying a king, basically.
	Like, oh, we can have a king if they're Christian and that's fine.
	Which is, yeah, that's worrying.
	Again, had a lot of time to make this argument.
	History has not agreed with you.
	You had your shot.
	Didn't go well. You had your chance, dude.
	They had their chance.
	We'd like something different.
	Yeah. Sorry that that's inconvenient for you.
	Grow up.
	Oh, if only. I can't believe this guy gets paid to talk.
	It's amazing to me. Yeah.
	We're going to skip ahead a little bit because both Russell and Geordie Pete spent a good chunk harping on even more about how atheism is bad and how everyone should reject the government trying to care for them.
	It was very boring and facile.
	Instead, we are going to skip to Russell providing cover for populism and the mega crowd.
	When I watched the Democratic Party National Convention, I enjoyed how well it was crafted and staged and I reflected on the days when I would host things for MTV like the VMAs, for indeed it is the spectacle of politics.
	Because where there are no principles or values to undergird them, all that's left is a pantheon of stars, a new argot of empty language, TV shows where celebrities are paraded before you to willingly endorse ideas and policies and wars and food and power that they'll never eat or suffer as a consequence of.
	It won't be.
	I think we generally know it's not their children that die beneath the flags.
	It's not their children that will be eating that kind of food.
	And when people talk about populism like it's a negative thing, like it's an ugly thing, when you hear language like basket of deplorables, when you hear dismissiveness and derisory tones around beautiful American people, and if you're a foreigner like me, a visitor like me, And you find yourself in Cheesecake Factory in some mall in Sarasota.
	You think, are these the people that they hate so deeply?
	These kind and friendly, warm and charming individuals that don't seem to me to care a great deal about race?
	That don't seem to me to care about the private sexual behavior of other consenting adults?
	I'm sorry? That want to worship God, raise their family, connect to nature, and experience love, but from every single angle in the name of protection are being prevented from experiencing what ought be sacred above all else to Americans.
	And I say that in the shadow of this mighty pyramid phallus object.
	It's the right to proudly be who you are.
	to openly love one another as he has loved us.
	Yeah, you can proudly be yourselves and love one another as long as you're white,
	heterosexual, cisgendered Christians.
	Just like Jesus wanted.
	Yeah, so apparently not...
	Yeah, famous white guy Jesus. Famous straight white.
	Yep, that's the one!
	And yeah, none of the right wing.
	They don't care about race or sexuality or any of that stuff.
	No! Did you not know that?
	Again, like, why would you even say that?
	That's all they think about, is how other people are fucking.
	How other people are fucking and what genitals they have.
	That's all they think about all the time.
	They're obsessed. Well, the thing is what genitals they have, they don't even...
	As far as Christian railing against this kind of...
	Including their gender confusion, because they're the ones that are confused intentionally and won't get with the program.
	They're sexualizing.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Genitalia. Yeah. In a way that rational humans are like, why are you making it a sex thing?
	They're making so many things a sex thing that aren't a sex thing.
	So for Russell to say that specifically is absolutely batshit.
	Yeah. Yeah, it's true.
	That's true. The audience sounded a little confused as like, do we clam for that?
	I mean, as far as one guy clapping or whatever, I don't know what's getting picked up.
	You know what I mean? There's not a mic on the crowd, so I don't want to make that kind of assumption.
	The sound is an interesting point of contention.
	I did hear from one member of our audience that apparently, I couldn't find this anywhere, but apparently someone was there and had been filming it, and supposedly there was applause being piped through the speakers.
	No! Supposedly.
	I can't confirm it, but that's apparently, according to one of our audience, that was the case.
	Oh, that's beautiful.
	It's believable. It's definitely believable.
	I'm gonna frame that and put it on my wall. That's gorgeous.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Oh, boy. Well, it's canon in my head.
	Okay. Yeah, right.
	We're hearing people, though.
	We're hearing people, but I'm not going to...
	There are people there. Yep, yep.
	But you can hear a delay.
	Yes. Because I've listened to a lot of the, you know, between, like, QAnon and all the Trump rallies and stuff.
	Like, we're pretty used to listening to crowds be confused at this point.
	And so that kind of like, uh, yeah!
	Yeah, yeah. I need my cues to be clearer, please.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And then I will yell.
	Okay, cool. Oh, dear.
	Also, yeah, he still hasn't learned what populism is and why it might just be a bad thing, but hey, nothing new there, I suppose.
	No, his definition is popularity.
	Yeah, exactly.
	All right, now Jordan Peterson's turn again.
	So maybe I'll close with this.
	It's said that by their fruits you will know them.
	So we could assess that notion momentarily, riffing off what Russell just laid out.
	So I've spent a substantial amount of time thinking about how you can separate the wheat from the chaff and identify the true leaders who are at your service and not manipulating you.
	And I would say this. If you're being terrified, You're being manipulated by tyrants.
	Tyrants use fear.
	They use fear.
	And they use force.
	And what you want instead from your leaders is an invitational welcome, right?
	And that's why this today is a celebration.
	We're happy you're here.
	We're hoping for your help because your help is necessary.
	This isn't about Formulating a vision for you.
	It's about inviting you to bear the responsibility for your life that's precisely the attitude that's made this country great.
	And so you listen.
	You listen carefully to those who address you and see if they're inviting you to a banquet that you love to attend or if they're terrifying you into fear of the future and using force and compulsion to regulate your obedience.
	And I would say, unless you want to be slave-like sheep who have no proper destiny to play, then find the divine invitation and forego the terror and force.
	He only knows to, like, he's just telling on himself.
	It's like, were you reading off of the business plan for Clean Your Room LLC, Jordan Peterson?
	Yeah, it's got it written on his hand.
	Is to scare people to manipulate them.
	Yeah, so if you're being terrified into compliance, then you're being manipulated by tyrants.
	Tyrants use fear.
	Tyrants use force.
	Uh-huh. And good leaders extend an invitational welcome to a banquet you'd love to attend, apparently.
	That's his definition of good leaders.
	And when he was saying that, I couldn't get the image of the Red Wedding from Game of Thrones out of my head.
	I was like, well, there was an invitational welcome to a banquet, and it didn't go well.
	You know, that's all I was thinking of.
	I was like, yeah, I don't feel like this is a good definition.
	Um... I love it.
	He's like, I want my bread and circuses and then everything will be fine as long as I get.
	But not really even those things because giving bread to people is fucking communism.
	Yeah, that's the commies. And the red scourge.
	Except I love Russia.
	What are we doing?
	Oh, fuck. And yeah, as for the tyrants using fear thing, like, sorry, which leader was it telling everyone that migrants were eating pets a few weeks ago?
	Does that not count as fear being used at all?
	No? Okay. Okay, then.
	I mean...
	That's not the same thing.
	Okay. You don't have to leave the stage.
	You don't have to leave the stage to make that point.
	Yeah. Like... These dudes, that's the legislation I want to see.
	That's the legislation I want to see.
	If you make the bulk of your money from inciting hate, violence, and fear, that should be legally actionable.
	That should be the thing that is proof in court Kind of like Alex Jones and that's very specifically like you made this amount of money while you were talking about Sandy Hook.
	And I think that was an excellent- Very specific.
	To me. Yeah.
	And it's an argument that a lot of like all the news coverage really moving forward could like anyone being responsible.
	Absolutely. It's like, no, we have like numbers and it's not going to be that clear.
	But that's the legislation I'd like to say.
	If you are making money and making a living off of making people afraid and angry.
	Yeah. Well, yeah.
	And you can point to the numbers on the videos and everything, can't you?
	There are metrics you can look at.
	Yeah, but kinda. Because we don't really know how much money they make.
	No, exactly. The IRS could figure it out, though.
	And that's the thing. I think that Robert Evans, I fucking completely 100%, 1000% agree that the worst punishment these people could have to suffer is like have a one bedroom shitty apartment and have to work a normal job.
	Like, I'm not telling you you have to go to jail.
	I'm not telling you that you have to be like, because that also makes a murder.
	People like Donald Trump, people like Joe Peterson, definitely people like Russell Brand.
	Like, you just got to go punch in and like You gotta go flip burgers.
	You gotta go, like, well, we can't trust them to drive Uber because they're sex pests, but...
	You can work in an Amazon warehouse is what you can do.
	I mean, just have a normal job and a shitty apartment.
	Yeah. Instead of, like, because jail is...
	Their worlds would collapse.
	Exactly. Yeah.
	That is, because that's genuinely like if you are a kind of person, like if you suffer, like if cancel culture was real, that's what would happen because then they wouldn't still get paid.
	We're not asking for y'all to be in jail.
	We're asking for y'all to not make a lot of money and be able to launder a lot of dark money By doing what you're doing, it didn't used to be lucrative, and now it is lucrative, and shock and surprise, now everybody's like, we have all these people that are making a lot of money doing the thing and being rewarded, and why would they stop?
	Why would they stop? Just have to work a job.
	Oh, I'd love to. That would be chef's kiss level of justice.
	It really would. Now, so next we get to the part of the event that's been doing the rounds online.
	Now, I know you've got some fantastic speakers coming up.
	I can see Jimmy Dore down there.
	I've had a magnificent conversation with Jimmy.
	And above all else, when I speak to Jimmy Dore, he impresses upon me the necessity for unity, the necessity to remain vigilant, the opportunity to find alliance between one another, to focus on the issues, health, ending war, free speech, not personalities.
	And if I have your permission, I would like to end in a short prayer on this holy and auspicious day.
	Of course.
	Heavenly Father, Lord Jesus Christ, I call upon your name on this occasion.
	May it augment an era of peace.
	May we reach out our hands in friendship, in particular to those that we might imagine we would oppose.
	May these institutions that were once regarded sacred, so sacred in fact that Any incursion upon them as on January 6th was regarded as a kind of heresy.
	May the values that warrant these buildings, these institutions, that flag this nation, being regarded as one nation under God, return to the forefront.
	May I pray, Lord Jesus Christ, in your holy name, that all Americans of all cultures and colors and persuasions come together in your name.
	I ask, Heavenly Father, for a new era of peace, that Satan be cast out in your name in all his forms, but in particular in the bizarre, Kafkaesque, Huxleyesque, Orwellian form of totalitarianism, bureaucracy in the name of care.
	Lord, I ask for true republicanism and true democracy, that every individual may feel their freedom, their freedom to open-heartedly engage in discourse and conversation with one another in good faith.
	An end to the deception, the lies and the censorship and the control.
	Respect the honor of the individual, the sovereignty of the individual, that we are all fallen individuals and that we may serve in your name on the day of the feast of St.
	Michael. I ask, Lord, that your holy light shine on America and across the world for new voluntary unity, not imposed top-down unity, Lord.
	Yeah, already starting to feel very quickly, much less like a prayer and a lot more just kind of like a bit of a speech, you know?
	It's just, I'm going to hit some talking points, you know?
	I'm just going to get that out there.
	You know, not so much talking to God as the camera's aimed at him.
	However, the prayer's not done, right?
	And in the next clip, Russell manages the rarely seen double prayer, prayer within a prayer, or Matryoshka prayer, if you will.
	Lord, I ask that we be brought together in these principles under your name.
	I pray for America. And if I have your permission, ladies and gentlemen, we'll end with the Lord's Prayer.
	Just do the version that you know.
	Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
	Thy kingdom come.
	Thy will be done.
	On earth as it is in heaven, give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.
	And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
	For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, forever and ever.
	Amen. Hallelujah!
	Thank you! Thanks Dr.
	Peterson, thanks Brett Weinstein, thanks everyone engaged in this event.
	I wish you a beautiful day.
	Stay free. Stay free.
	Cheers, Jimmy. Cheers, babe.
	And then they walked into the sunset and were never seen again!
	Yeah, I will say... He had to do an activity at the end because he knew he was losing them.
	That's whipping everybody into shape.
	It's one thing to hear the Lord's Prayer in, like, a church or whatever and have everyone saying it in unison, you know?
	As an atheist, it's always going to feel weird to me.
	But, you know, you expect it in a church or everything, you know?
	Seeing it at a political event, however, that feels...
	That feels weird. You're probably more used to it than I am.
	Oh, yeah. I'm like, whatever.
	To me, I'm like, ooh, this feels strange.
	Yeah, but going to a concert and everyone singing along is like, you know the word, so you're going to say it.
	It's a communal activity that's like, especially the Lord's Prayer is pretty low-hanging fruit as far as what everybody knows.
	It's an easy activity.
	I know it. I had to say it in school, you know?
	I'm saying, yeah. We pledged allegiance to a flag every morning.
	Yeah, I never had to do that. This is a fucked up place.
	This is not a normal place.
	I will say, I didn't have to do that.
	I've never had to do that at any point.
	Sorry, welcome to America.
	One thing I have enjoyed from this doing the rounds online is because Russell asked permission before the prayer, a lot of people were going like, huh, he asked for consent.
	That's new. He's learned something.
	In any case, we still have...
	That's optimistic. Well, no.
	Because if you ask, I think specifically, if you ask for consent and then you don't really, no one really had an option.
	No, it's true. It's true.
	It was implied consent more than explicit.
	I'm going to do this, but I will say the correct words before I do.
	A get-out-of-jail-free phrase is not consent.
	Yeah. Cute meme, somebody.
	Cool. We still have the rest of this event to look at, because honestly, it is all worth covering in more depth to understand what the fuck this thing was all about, and it gets real weird.
	And next up, we have another familiar face in the form of Matt Taibbi.
	However, every amateur speaker's dream following Russell Brand, thanks God.
	So I was once taught you should always open an important speech by making reference to a shared experience.
	So, what do we all have in common here at Russell Brand?
	So I looked one up because I'm an alien.
	Nothing! In a pre-Trump universe, chimpanzees would be typing their fourth copy of Hamlet before RFK Jr., Robert Malone, Zuby, Tulsi Gabbard, Russell, Brett Weinstein, and I would organically get together for any reason, much less an event like this.
	Outrageous. One thing we all have in common, or most of us have in common, is that most everybody here has been censored.
	The issues were all different, but pretty much everybody here disagreed with authoritative voices about something.
	That's one way to put it.
	Another way to put it is a bunch of you have had sexual assault allegations leveled at you.
	And the left usually don't tolerate it once it's out in the open.
	So you've all had to lurch to the right.
	And the rest have done it for their own grifting and money-making purposes.
	You know, Trump was a factor, but also so was the Me Too movement and, you know, the pandemic breaking a bunch of people's brains and potentially making a lot of people money.
	Yeah, Brett Weinstein and all those kind of...
	Yeah. You know. The notion that it's more likely for monkeys with typewriters to write Hamlet four times than a bunch of grifters and content-creating grifters.
	Getting together to make money. Yes. Yeah, unifying to cynically feed off of each other's fame and infamy more so and combine audiences.
	That framing, right?
	Like, oh, it's so absurd.
	It's so unlikely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, no, all of your purposes are, like, your goals are aligned directly.
	Very much. This is, there's nothing, like, that's the tokenism thing.
	That's how, no matter what, they can be like, RFK Jr.
	is an environmental activist, and on the left- Yep, he's a Democrat.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Russell's this leftist, you know, anti-establishment guy.
	No! Jimmy Dore, Jimmy Dore as well.
	Yeah. Right. Yeah, like you can just say in words, like, please, please, everyone, if you can hear my voice, right?
	Actions. Behaviors.
	Results. How does this person impact the world around them?
	Words don't mean jack nor shit.
	Truly. What is the impact of your action?
	And if there is an impact of your action that you don't intend, how do you handle it?
	Period. Point fucking blank period.
	This is amazing. They appeal to authority and like appeal to blob all of it, right?
	Just the, like, the arbitrary label, because they can just say whatever they want.
	Yeah. And they do.
	Yeah, yeah, and like, also, even without Trump, I could see a universe, like, even without all this other stuff having happened, I could see a universe where all of these people would have come together for this event anyway.
	Um, because they all stand to gain from it.
	Like, some of the narratives would have been different, but, like, they would all stand to still gain from it, and, you know, it feeds their ego, it feeds their brand, it feeds all of this other grifting bullshit they get up to.
	Like, it, you know, it's not some, like, incredible thing.
	Um... They're combining audience capture because social media and the internet has given them an avenue to make the money.
	This was not lucrative.
	Now it is lucrative.
	And they are consolidating like a corporation.
	They are consolidating their audiences so that they can all share in the audience capture, but still fucking looking out for number one.
	This is all totally...
	The motivations here are so...
	Abundantly clear. But no, no, well, it's because they're all so dangerous.
	That's why they've all had to come together, because they're all so dangerous and they've been canceled and so they've all had to come together.
	Anyway, now Matt Taiby makes a point about the American government ignoring laws.
	But this is post 9-11 America.
	Whether it's about surveillance or torture or habeas corpus or secret prisons or rendition or any of a dozen other things, we ignore laws.
	Institutional impunity is the chief characteristic of our current form of government.
	We have concepts like illegal but necessary.
	The government can torture.
	Of course the public can't.
	That's probably good. The state can intercept phone calls.
	You can't. The state can search without warrants.
	They can assassinate, snatch your geolocations from your cell phone.
	You get the idea.
	These concepts Require that officials have special permission to ignore laws when they feel like it.
	I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with the broader point here, that particularly the American government are a law unto themselves, right?
	But that's the entire mission of the MAGA movement, is to make Trump the king of America and give him unlimited powers.
	Like, if you're against government overreach, then you're on the wrong side here, Matt Taibbi, you know?
	Like, this is...
	Trump literally assassinated a dude.
	Like, what are we talking about here?
	Right. I mean, yeah, I agree.
	Big problem. Yeah.
	What are you doing on that stage about it?
	You know? Yeah, like, no one in charge seems to be all that concerned with following our own laws.
	Yeah. No. It's an issue.
	We should work on that.
	Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
	And I don't feel like the side he's on are trying to do anything about it at all.
	The opposite, in fact.
	I feel like they're trying to solidify a lot of those things.
	But okay, okay.
	Let's hear him out. Let's hear him out.
	What else we got? Well, a lot of his speech was honestly really quite dull.
	He spent a lot of it just quoting other people from history.
	And, I don't know, it felt from the jump that, like, you don't do this very often, do you, Matt?
	You know, he was kind of struggling a little bit.
	But I'll play the final kind of segment of his speech, where he displays his true eloquence as a writer at the end.
	To the people who are suggesting that there are voices who should be ignored, or people who are suggesting that I'm saying that I'm encouraging mistrust or skepticism of authority or that I'm obstructing consensus, I'm not encouraging you to be skeptical of authority.
	I'm encouraging you to defy authority.
	That's not better.
	That is the right word for this time.
	And to all those snoops and nosy parkers sitting in their homeland security funded centers
	of excellence, telling us day after day we must think as they say and vote as they say
	or else we're traitorous Putin loving fascists and enablers of dangerous disinformation.
	Motherfucker, I'm an American.
	Thank you.
	that got a reaction. America!
	A swear and then America.
	That's the formula. That shit doesn't work on us.
	How can you impugn our patriotism when you're sitting in Klaus Schwab's lap apologizing for the First Amendment to a crowd of Europeans?
	That's right! I was talking about John Kerry.
	Look in the mirror.
	We're not the problem.
	You're the problem.
	You suck.
	Thank you.
	That is how you end a speech.
	I'm an American.
	You suck.
	You know, I'm starting to think maybe this Matt Taibbi guy wasn't as good a writer as everyone said he was, you know?
	Well, or just, like, I mean...
	What is the behaviors and the actions that have been incentivized?
	Like, what has made him the most money?
	Genuinely, like, real journalism is very hard and is extremely, like, well, yeah, it's like not well paid.
	It's a lot of work. It's very difficult.
	And you do actually Face a lot of adversarial energy.
	Increasingly so, because of corporate consolidation of media control.
	Those are all real problems.
	Those were a bunch of different, disparate thoughts.
	They're not connected.
	Saying them in a group does not...
	Connect them inherently.
	I need to know why all of, like, what all these things have to do with each other.
	This is not illuminating a situation.
	It's making it more complex and confusing.
	Yeah, that was, I think, a theme of his speech in general.
	Like, he was up there for, I think, like, 20 minutes.
	But yeah, it was just kind of a list of, like, a series of quotes and things he didn't like.
	Like, he wanted some publisher to be fired off into the sun.
	He said that at one point.
	And yeah, he did bring up the John Kerry story.
	At least four speakers on that day brought up the same John Kerry story that we spoke about in part one, you know, about the First Amendment.
	So there's a lot of repetition.
	I've tried to cut that out for the sake of our audience.
	But... But yeah, it was absolutely just a series of disparate kind of vague gestures at patriotism, and then swearing, and then, yeah!
	Well, yeah, but even like, okay, what's your plan?
	That's the thing that is genuinely, it's so frustrating, because like, guess who has a plan?
	The Heritage Foundation?
	So then, okay, but you guys aren't that.
	So then what's your plan? Like, tell me what your plan is to protect free speech and what speech should be protected.
	And like, okay, so then what does this look like?
	Because just grievances and arguing and like, like, you know, I'm getting no's.
	I need some yeses to know what you're for.
	I only know what you're against. How do we, in fact, rescue the Republic, you know?
	Right. Because like, I mean, Any speech could be described as a bunch of statements.
	That's not necessarily...
	I can't indict a speech for being a series of quotes and statements about history.
	They're fairly disparate ones.
	If they're disparate. He's just saying things and then letting the audience fill in the gap.
	Because again, I'm American, motherfucker.
	What did that have to do with anything?
	What did that have to do with the previous thought?
	And it got one of the biggest rounds of applause of the day.
	Interesting. Listen, I have a lot of baggage, emotional baggage, and a lot of shitty times in my life where I can be a little sensitive about not being heard or listened to and watching someone in front of my fucking face just not listen to my words that I said.
	And... And listen, everyone's fallible, but Jesus fucking Christ.
	I don't know, man.
	It'd bum me out if I were Matt Taibbi, and I was not getting a lot of response, because I can see that people aren't really listening until I say, America, motherfucker, and then they're like, woo!
	I'd be sad.
	Yeah, I wouldn't be thrilled.
	I'd be sad. That's like the moment, you know, in a lot of movies where scientists are like, oh, they're not listening.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I don't know. I don't think, I think knowing better, I mean, The thing is, if you can laugh all the way to the bank, then that's when it doesn't matter.
	Yeah, there's a degree of that, eh?
	So it's just like covering your ass, saying what you want to say, you know they're not listening, and then, I mean, yeah, and then laughing all the way to the bank.
	That's the only way that you feel better about, like, it doesn't matter if they don't listen to you because they aren't writing the check.
	Yeah, yeah, that's true, it's true.
	As long as you're making the money.
	Alright, so, Matt Taylor leaves, and Lara Logan returns to introduce the next speaker.
	I just want to say, if there are any journalists here today who are going to write that this is a far-right gathering, that anyone here is ultra-right, that anyone here is a conspiracy theorist, I don't know, excuse my French, but you can go fuck yourselves.
	Okay, then. Going and fucking yourself is not a thought that is connected to what she said.
	I want you to welcome to the stage a man who has a very special place in my heart.
	He is funny.
	When you get him on a roll, let me tell you, you want Del Bigtree on a roll because he is as smart and funny as he is brave.
	I mean, you know what?
	I can believe that because he's not smart, he's not funny, and I don't think he's particularly brave either.
	Yeah, I did mention him in part one, but Del Bigtree, RFK Jr.'s communications director of his presidential campaign when that was a thing, who is now CEO of the Maha Alliance.
	Before that, in case anyone isn't aware of who this guy is, he was the producer for Vaxxed, a film based on Andrew Wakefield's entirely bullshit claims about vaccines and autism.
	Obviously the film was very anti-vaccine and pro-Andrew Wakefield.
	And when I say pro-Andrew Wakefield, what I actually mean is that Andrew Wakefield ended up being both the writer and director for Vaxxed.
	In reviewing the film, IndieWire said that Wakefield doesn't just have a dog in this fight, he is the dog.
	Which I quite liked.
	In any case, Del Bigtree has been on the anti-vax and COVID conspiracy bullshit for quite some time and is quite the prominent voice in that community.
	Yeah, so let's...
	And so our coverage, saying that this is conspiracy theorists and far right, listen, I can go fuck myself all day.
	She didn't say, they're wrong.
	She didn't say, I have evidence to prove otherwise.
	Right. She said, I'll fight you.
	That's... Yeah, pretty much.
	This is authoritarian thinking from the top down.
	Like, those ideas are not connected.
	I go fuck myself all day, gal.
	Cool. Doesn't make you right.
	Yeah, exactly. So basically we get to go fuck ourselves and still be right.
	Which, hey, I'm counting that as a win-win.
	Alright, let's hear what Del Bigtree has to say.
	Hello, Washington DC! We are so close!
	Oh my God!
	It's right there!
	You know, when I made Vax, which put me in the middle of this entire crazy experience, a lot of people will credit Vax with having ignited this health The medical freedom movement.
	But the truth is, there have been many movies before about vaccines.
	There have been a lot of doctors talking about it.
	But every one of them would interview Dr.
	Andrew Wakefield, and then they would take him out of the movie because he was too controversial.
	Oh, that's why? He had dared to question whether the MMR vaccine was somehow connected to autism.
	And for that, he needed to be censored permanently forever.
	But I decided when I got involved with that film that he was in the middle of making, Andy, we're not going to hide you.
	I'm going to put you in the film.
	It's going to be directed by you, and I'll oversee it, and we'll do what Hollywood does, and we will rock the world.
	But here's what I knew. I knew they were going to attack us.
	I knew they were going to censor us.
	And that was our entire plan.
	And now I get to say it.
	I said, they are going to be so angry about this movie that the pharmaceutical industry and all of its power over our government, over our media, They will be so angry that they will make the greatest mistake of their entire lives and they will attack us on the front paper of every newspaper.
	And that is the day we will start winning this argument.
	Exactly that. It is refreshing to hear it.
	They're all just saying it out loud.
	We're going to make our bullshit big and tasty and controversial so we get in the papers and this is an attention economy and that'll amplify our message.
	All press is good press, especially free press.
	Bear in mind, as well, Vaxxed came out in 2016, and the media was just full of bright ideas that year.
	So yeah, absolutely.
	No, he nailed it. He was right.
	He was 100% right.
	Dear, oh dear. You know, I've listened to, because of my media diet that I choose, I've listened to so many people that write books and make documentaries and make content desperately trying to get attention to a cause that is Massively important to either a lot or all people when we're talking about climate change.
	Yeah. And none of them say any of that.
	Yeah. How is it?
	And like, I mean, I feel like anything that I, you know, pointing out hypocrisy or, you know, just being like, this is not normal.
	All those arguments just like really fall by the wayside when you know this is just like an emotional manipulation tactic.
	It's what they're doing. So yeah, appealing to the reasonability of any of it just feels useless, but it's also not, because I've never ever heard this preacher-ass tone about, like, I made this documentary because I knew it would piss people off.
	What I do hear Is I made this documentary because these people that I have featured are suffering in silence and they're not getting the justice that they so Desperately need and absolutely deserve.
	That's the correct motivation.
	That's what people say. And listen, maybe it's a big success and makes them a lot of money and maybe sometimes you're more in Spurlock.
	Okay, and actually you're an alcoholic and that's why all the doctor tells that there's alcoholism and you're a liar.
	He still never said, because I'm going to make him mad.
	Like, it's not... Yeah, right.
	Even, like, right?
	Like, even, like, this shitty example, like, didn't say that.
	That's not why.
	I do enjoy the just saying it out loud.
	And I get to say it.
	I'm like, oh, well, yeah, you do.
	Okay. Okay, then.
	Thanks, I guess. These are production meetings.
	Thank you for not hiding it. These are meetings with your team that people, I mean, fortunately they didn't pay to show up to.
	This is production meeting stuff.
	As for Andrew Wakefield getting cancelled for connecting autism and vaccines, that's not what happened.
	In fact, Wakefield had a good couple of years without being forcibly challenged on his bullshit, actually.
	His Lancet paper was published in 1998 and wasn't retracted until 2010.
	And then, so in 2006, it was proven that Wakefield was paid nearly half a million to build a case against the MMR vaccine specifically.
	It was only in 2009 that the Sunday Times found concrete proof that Wakefield had changed and misreported results in his research, creating the appearance of a possible link with autism where there actually wasn't one.
	So he falsified the data.
	And then in 2010, Wakefield's General Medical Council hearings concluded, right, which were being held to determine his fitness to practice And here's the bullet points.
	So for a start, he was being paid to conduct the study by solicitors representing parents who believed their children had been harmed by MMR. So already ethical problem.
	He ordered investigations without the requisite pediatric qualifications, including colonoscopies, colon biopsies, and lumbar punctures, spinal taps, on his research subjects who were children, Without the approval of his department's ethics board and contrary to the children's clinical interests, when these diagnostic tests were not indicated by the children's symptoms or medical history.
	So he was just doing this for the fuck of it.
	He acted dishonestly and irresponsibly in failing to disclose how patients were recruited for the study.
	As well as in his descriptions in the Lancet papers and in questions after the paper published about what ailments the children had and when those ailments were observed relative to their getting vaccinated, right?
	So that's the falsification side.
	Part of it, anyway.
	He conducted the study on a basis not approved by the hospital's ethics committee in the first place.
	He purchased blood samples for £5 each from children present at his son's birthday party.
	Yes. Which he then joked about in a presentation later on.
	And he also showed callous disregard for any distress or pain the children involved might suffer in that study.
	Which, yeah, basically, real shithead.
	And, yeah, Del Bigtree just gives him a movie.
	It's like, yeah. It's incredible.
	It's incredible how...
	But that also tells me, like...
	Because listen, it's not impossible to combat this misinformation.
	There are ways to do it, and it is hard, and it's not glamorous, and it takes a lot of work, but there are ways to do it, and people are out there trying their best.
	It is amazing, because this is proof that just...
	The debunking is not for the people in this audience that we're watching.
	It's for you guys to take into the world so you are armed with the background and the backstory and so that you cannot be fooled and taken in, right?
	And potentially maybe someone in your life, you can intercede and they can listen to you and you're probably not gonna see results quickly.
	Hang in there. There is a way because like, Ignoring this, I think we have found, does not let it go away.
	That used to work before this type of business model, because that's all this is, is a business model of terrifying people for money.
	Before that was so lucrative, people could not do it.
	At least not on the scale that they are capable of now.
	And Andrew Wakefield came around at just the right slash wrong time to hit It is fucking amazing that he's still kicking around.
	It is incredible.
	He's like thoroughly just, he is a pox on the human race.
	He is a disease that still has not been cured.
	Yeah, we still don't have a vaccine for Andrew Wakefield.
	He's endemic at this point.
	And I get that it's frustrating.
	I'm also frustrated that all of this information and debunking and stuff like doesn't move the needle for people.
	But like there's a reason that people are scared and there's a reason that people want to feel like they have control in, you know, in chaos.
	Man, I also I fucking hate this person.
	Like, I'm keeping it together, everybody.
	I'm doing the thing where Lauren gets real calm because I'm angry.
	Yeah, yeah. He is entirely atrocious.
	And now he's going to regale us with an anecdote.
	Robert Kennedy Jr. called me one day and said, Donald Trump wants me to go to the NIH and bring all of our issues around vaccines straight to the NIH. He said, we should probably team up on this because you're really loud and you seem to have a lot of good information.
	Let's put our information together and let's work as a team.
	And so in early 2017, I was sitting at the NIH across from Tony Fauci.
	Didn't really even know who the guy was at that point.
	And Bobby was sitting across from Francis Collins, and we laid out all of the issues we saw with the vaccine program, all of the lack of testing.
	We said, you know, is it true?
	That you have not done a single safety trial on any of the childhood vaccines?
	No, I mean, because honestly, we've looked.
	We can't find a single double-blind placebo trial of any of the childhood vaccines that are on the market today.
	Have you ever done that study?
	And they were kind of quiet, a really long silence, and eventually Tony Fauci and Francis Collins admitted, we don't do Safety trials, placebo trials, because it would be unethical.
	Yeah. It would be unethical to test these products that we put into children.
	It'd be unethical to give it a safety test.
	And so, it's never been done.
	I've been saying for eight years, and everyone in the camera, it's never been done!
	And every one of these news agencies will say, oh, that's misinformation.
	Show me a double-blind placebo trial done prior to licensure on any childhood vaccine.
	Okay. From Vitrup et al.
	in a study performed between April 2019 and November 2021.
	The name of the study is Immogenicity and Reactogenicity Following MMR Vaccination in 5-7 Month-Old Infants, a double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial in 6,540 Danish infants.
	There we go. Done.
	How about fuck you, Del Bigtree?
	And you know what? I'll do one better.
	Published in August this year from Shin et al was Efficacy, Immogenicity and Safety of Coronavac in Children and Adolescents Aged 6 Months to 17 Years, a multi-centre, randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled, phase 3 clinical trial.
	That was on the COVID vaccine, specifically given to children.
	It's all there, Big Tree. I'm just gonna look for it.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Yeah, go ahead. No, I'm just like...
	Like, yes, there are ethical concerns about doing, you know, double-blind trials, you know, when it comes to vaccines on children.
	You've got questions of consent around children and that kind of thing as well.
	But, yeah, obviously we have, like, the vaccines, even if they've not been tested in the specific way that he's demanding, Which these two have.
	Even if they've not been tested in that specific way, they have been tested for fucking safety.
	Like, it's just...
	Yeah, that's the point too, right?
	They're insisting on this one type of study that, guess what, if that was also common, they would use that as like, these people are monsters.
	Because basically a double blind study is like, Okay, you give a vaccine placebo to someone, like, to a child, they could potentially, like, you know, when it comes to, like, an MMR, it's incredibly risky, they could die.
	And that is unethical.
	That is not an ethical thing to do versus, like, an adult participating willfully.
	I mean, the ethics are questionable, kind of, all over the place.
	But also, this is where, okay, we need to test this stuff.
	The ethical question is being wrestled with and being addressed.
	And it's responsible not to kind of lie to kids about Vaccinations, they need to go to school to go to be around other kids.
	It's not just that kid. There's a reason why we need vaccines for schools to function and for kids to stay healthy.
	They're very fragile.
	They're very susceptible, right?
	And we know that.
	I don't know why they want to go back to Victorian times.
	It was a very scary time, to be apparent.
	I don't know why they're wishing that on people.
	It's fucking evil to me.
	But yeah, there's...
	So not only are there tests, right?
	There is testing, and they can just lie.
	But because it's not so widespread that they can make these points.
	And also, that's why they...
	When they're really hammering down and they're really drilling down, even like this isn't disinformation, this is misinformation.
	I think that's the definition because like he's misrepresenting a portion of information in the statement that he was saying.
	He wasn't necessarily like lying Directly.
	He wasn't saying a grape is an avocado.
	He was saying, I don't know what that grape is.
	Like he was, you know, he was saying, he was like selectively speaking to protect himself from like any kind of implication where he can be nailed down.
	So like he was misrepresenting information that is the specific type of study and research.
	Kind of coded more as you've got this wrong rather than you are specifically lying, you know, if you were being generous anyway.
	Yeah, because lying is more easy to sue over.
	Yeah, exactly, exactly.
	Just an oopsie poopsie.
	Also, I do love the fact that he wants a controlled study to verify the safety of these things, because his boy Andrew Wakefield was asked to leave his position at the Royal Free Hospital in 2001 after refusing a request to validate his 1998 Lancet paper with a controlled study!
	Yeah, that's...
	Andrew Wakefield hates ethical research.
	Yeah, fucking hates controlled studies.
	He's railed against it actively also as a pie product of still getting to be fucking famous.
	Yeah, that's... I mean, here's the thing.
	They're participating and also the reason why people are so skeptical of the medical establishment.
	They're doing both and they get to benefit from both.
	It's just...
	It's a special kind of crazy making.
	Yeah, it's pretty infuriating.
	All right, we got one more from Mr.
	Bigtree here, and it's a dumb one.
	So in the end, at the NIH meeting, they said, okay, it'd be unethical to do safety trials.
	I said, great. Why don't you just do a comparative study then?
	If that's unethical, let's not put anyone at risk.
	You're sitting on a database of 10 million people called the VSD, the Vaccine Safety Data Link.
	Why don't you guys just do, how about this idea?
	Take all the unvaccinated people, tens of thousands of them, and then compare them to all the vaccinated people and ask some really simple questions.
	Who has more cancer?
	Who has more diabetes?
	Who has more ADD, ADHD? Who has more autism and Tourette's and lupus and leukemia?
	We are the home of Microsoft.
	We are the home of Apple.
	We are now the home of AI technologies.
	This study of all the databases in the world could be done in one day.
	Every one of you could have the answers to all of your questions in one day.
	And the day we asked them to do it, you know what they said?
	We will never do that study.
	Why? Do you think it's because they're so sure vaccines are safe?
	Let me ask you this.
	Do you really think they haven't done that study?
	Because the comparative study between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, if they could say to the world, look, the vaccinated are clearly healthier than all the unvaccinated people, here's the evidence.
	If they could do that, I'm not on this stage.
	Robert Kennedy is not about to storm your capital and take over your regulatory agencies.
	Fear, fear, fear, fear.
	If they could show you one study like that, don't you think they would?
	And don't you think they've tried a million times to do that study somehow to fix it, to make the data look like vaccinated people are actually healthy?
	You know they've done it.
	Okay, so the NIH have already done a study on all the vaccinated and all the unvaccinated people and found that clearly the unvaccinated are healthier and then they're trying to cover it up and manipulate the numbers.
	Ah, I'd love to see a source on this, Del Big Tree.
	Um... Well, he's guessing that that's the result, which is science loves that.
	That's the scientific method, did you not know?
	Yeah, it's guessing three times in a row.
	See, it's repeatable because you can guess again.
	There's clearly a fundamental misunderstanding from Del Bigtry here about how science works, right?
	Firstly, like, the big problem with the comparative study of that scale that I can think of right off the bat is it's impossible to control for all the environmental factors and whatever else of all the people included in that study.
	So say somehow the study came back and said, ah, yes, the vaccinated do have a higher proportion of, say, cancer, for instance.
	Say it came back and said that.
	Well, oh, are the vaccinated also more likely to be living in cities?
	Because that could have an impact.
	Pollution, microplastics, there are endless, endless possibilities of things which would make the data more or less fucking meaningless.
	Yeah. Hey everybody.
	Here's the thing. I have too many variables in my life.
	Whenever I talk to my doctors and we're making adjustments on medication, there are almost too many.
	I have to scrutinize every fucking minute I'm awake and the few that I can remember where I'm asleep until I get fully to sleep.
	Absolutely every day.
	And there are still too many factors to really make solid conclusions as to what is causing what and what is helping what.
	And then you just have to adjust and experiment.
	And I know a lot of you have gone through that same rigmarole and it sucks.
	To think that an international comparative study on that scale, yeah, like you said, it'd be useless.
	Even just a national one would be- It'd be useless.
	There is no way to actually...
	There is so much information on slightly smaller scales that we can do and have done.
	Rings true with people that have anecdotal experiences of folks that you know that are unvaccinated that have gotten COVID fucking five times and you're terrified of them, but you still have to work with them.
	That's the thing that we have heard from listeners and the thing we've experienced in the world.
	Again, that's not enough.
	It's just an anecdote, but it is supported by the science and the study of how COVID works and how it is officially endemic, right?
	And there's so many things we don't know about what causes cancer, about what causes like Autoimmune disorders and mental disorders.
	There is so much we don't know to the point where what he's asking for...
	So he's already been asking for a double blind, which is like, there are reasons why not, but also there are some, and this guy isn't paying attention.
	And then there are...
	Okay, now you're asking for something that's literally impossible, but not only do you think it's...
	It is possible, and they're just lying to you, and you know the result of the study that is not possible, but you are positive they have done, and they are hiding the results from you.
	That's conspiracy thinking, and that is not helpful.
	Um, yeah, and also, like, there's the fact that you would, you would need everyone, like, for it to be ethical, you would need everyone's permission to do this study, right?
	You couldn't just go through, like, some leaked data bullshit and be like, ta-da!
	We did it, everyone! It would be massively unethical.
	So, logistically, it would be a time-consuming nightmare to try and get enough people to do the thing.
	And obviously, most obviously, I think, it would be a colossal waste of fucking time.
	Like, the results would absolutely come back that, yes, in fact, those who are vaccinated against diseases are less likely to get them, be injured by them, or die from them.
	That is literally how that works.
	And the reason these unvaccinated chuckle fucks are able to skirt the consequences of their bullshit is because they're all benefiting from the rest of our herd immunity because we got the vaccines!
	Which they are trying to destroy, by the way.
	Yes, they are. Actively. And of course, if we did do this imaginary comparative study Del Bigtree wants, and it came back saying exactly like what we're all imagining it would, then it would be, oh, well, the study was wrong, or, oh, you didn't do it quite right.
	You didn't factor in, you didn't do it in this specific way.
	Like, they will always find some way to deny the evidence right in front of their faces.
	Right. So don't ask for the evidence that you don't want.
	Don't ask a question you aren't ready to hear the answer to.
	That's in life. That's today.
	Because you will find a reason to disregard the answer if you have the motive to do so.
	That's exactly what he's doing.
	It's so gross and it really does like...
	I think that it's reasonable that, I mean, I have been aware of Andrew Wayfield for a very long time.
	And what that all, kind of before everybody was even being super responsive.
	It was around, because also I was around woo-wee-woo silly chiropractors pretending they're doctors and shit.
	So I've been hearing this for a very long time.
	My patience for it is very thin.
	The weaponization of anti-intellectualism, of mistrust of...
	I don't want you to question...
	I don't want you to be skeptical of government.
	I don't want you to be skeptical of authority.
	I want you to defy authority, whatever they said.
	Right, those aren't separate things.
	Those are like, okay, you're skeptical, and then you find out something is wrong or immoral or whatever, and then you defy that immoral or unjust or inappropriate instruction and don't follow it.
	They're not separate.
	It's not like, oh, just demonizing skepticism in lieu of just blind You know, like, confrontation?
	Like, reactionary?
	Yeah, it's like, this is all, like, playbook on how to become a reactionary.
	Like, it's how to make your mind reactionary, not proactive.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Not, like, open to information.
	Pretty much, yeah, absolutely.
	And yeah, Andrew Wakefield is a specific fucking trigger for me.
	Obviously, I've, you know, him being British and everything, it was in the papers when I was younger and everything, so I've been aware of that idiot since, yeah, kind of late 2000s, you know, when all of the stuff was actually happening, you know, and he was...
	You know, barred from practicing as a doctor and everything.
	I was like, oh, this guy's a piece of shit.
	And then I heard, you know, because all of the anti-vax people in the UK were going apeshit.
	And I was like, oh, this is...
	Well, and then why is it...
	Why, like...
	Those scandals used to mean something.
	And they still do stick to some people.
	It just depends.
	Why is that? Fucking social media.
	It's middle almost. Yeah.
	It's incentivizing dissent in a way that is specifically emotional and baseless and can be kind of whipped into a froth over motherfucking nothing.
	Yeah. It's the creativity.
	It's the creativity and the connectivity that really has shot us all in the fucking foot.
	It sucks. A little bit.
	And he's... This guy.
	Double-edged sword. Del Big Tree is a Del Big problem in the world.
	Yes. Yes, he is.
	But anyway, Del Big Tree now buggers off, and we get a musical act.
	And I'm going to let Lara Logan introduce him, because it really is quite the introduction.
	okay you don't need to hear from me because you all know this guy he's amazing and today is a very special day for this young man because he is launching his solo career right now right here in this historic moment wow deepak ladies and gentlemen A man who's best known for his music, but is also a philosopher and a thought leader.
	And what he is launching today, he's got his two guys at his side, Johnny Twilight and Spirit.
	He's going to tell you more about them.
	But they are launching Plandemic the Musical and Team Humanity, which is the community of people that he is building.
	He does some crazy things, okay?
	He doesn't eat meat.
	And he fixes his own body.
	Are you going to show them those moves you showed me last night?
	No. I handed it over to Defuck!
	Ladies and gentlemen, enjoy the show!
	He's vegan. I don't know about the fixing his own body thing.
	I couldn't find that information.
	I'd like to know more. That's what she's talking about.
	I'd like to know more.
	But anyway, you heard that correctly.
	We have a thought leader and philosopher here to perform some music for us with his buddies Spirit and Johnny Twilight.
	And yeah, Deepak...
	Deepak is the visionary behind Plandemic the Musical, which is out next week, actually.
	Well, I say he's the visionary.
	He did the music and is one of the performers.
	Plandemic the Musical is very obviously from the same people who made the nonsensical Plandemic movies and they're branching out into musical territory.
	I have watched the trailer.
	It's got good production values.
	They've spent a lot of money on it, but it looks fucking terrible.
	Truly gam-worthy.
	I hope they cover it over there.
	There's a lot to say about this whole thing, I'm gonna be honest.
	I don't want it to come back around to funny again.
	I'm not comfortable with that.
	It sounds hilarious.
	I don't like that.
	Yeah. Anyway, so Deepak here, he actually played four, like, one and a half minute songs, basically.
	So I thought I'd pick one. And I opted for one.
	Oh, good for her! They actually let him play more than a song.
	He was cramming them in, he was.
	So I opted for one that's got the whole crew there, right?
	So we get Deepak, Johnny Twilight, and Spirit.
	and I can promise you are not ready for this.
	All right, everybody, let's do this.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Spirit, everybody! When the signs is upon us, it's now you can do about it.
	Disabled and dislikes, disabled and comments.
	I read community guidelines, that's called being honest.
	I heard they couldn't take me out, so they took me out of context.
	I'm afraid of the unfraid.
	Messing with us was a big mistake.
	We're stopping the wars and we're stopping the pain.
	Get out of the way, we got some people to save.
	I guess they forgot it's the land of the free.
	I guess they forgot it's the home of the brave.
	I think it's time we remind them.
	I think it's time we remind them.
	I guess they forgot it's the land of the free.
	I guess they forgot it's the home of the brave.
	I think it's time we remind them.
	I think it's time we remind them.
	I guess they forgot.
	Too much chorus.
	Is that Lady Twilight?
	Johnny Twilight's the one nearest.
	That's Spirit. Yeah, that's Johnny Twilight there, as we can see, with the little banner across the bottom.
	Honestly, I love anyone who has the gumption to name themselves Johnny Twilight.
	No notes. I'm on board.
	Let's go. As for why Spirit there was dressed as a reject from Hamilton, I don't have a good answer.
	Oh, I blame Hamilton. I blame Hamilton.
	How about that? There's not a good answer.
	So I looked up his Instagram with his 3,000 followers.
	Wait, we should explain, because people aren't seeing this.
	So Spirit, he's a young black gentleman, right?
	And he's dressed in, yeah, and he's in like, it looks like very kind of fancy dress costume, sort of like a period, like early 1800s, late 1700s.
	You know, it looks like Hamilton costuming, but also someone did a great job.
	Yeah, no problem with the costume.
	It's a lovely outfit. No problem with the execution of the costume.
	Connor's making the other two on stage look a little booger, because he came to play.
	It is strange, and that was the only song that he came out for, as well, was just that minute and a half, and then he left again, which feels weird.
	Not token-y at all.
	Because they did a color coordination moment, but yeah, he looks great, relatively speaking.
	Yeah, so I looked up his Instagram, anyway, with his 3,000 followers and 3,000 people he's following, by the way.
	Oh no! Yeah, double oh no.
	Don't have less than me.
	That's weird.
	No! And his bio reads, Time Traveller Baroque Renaissance Rapper, learn how to become an AI influencer like me.
	And it says that because his timeline is flooded with videos of him rapping, but with an AI-generated version of him in this Thomas Jefferson ass outfit as the video, right?
	So an AI version of it.
	What else? He did an X Spaces a little while ago with none other than James O'Keefe of Project Veritas.
	And he's released AI rap videos that are anti-vax.
	He did a pro Tucker Carlson one.
	And he also supports Kanye West, but says he needs to be less satanic and come to God.
	That's spirits positions.
	Quite the cast of characters.
	So is his presence on Facebook?
	Is that where he's got the...
	Or Twitter, I guess, is the bulk of his traffic?
	Because, like, maybe Instagram isn't where his people are.
	I'd imagine they aren't.
	It's not his primary platform.
	Yes, yeah, yeah. But yeah, AI-generated bullshit.
	Anyway, one could be forgiven for mistaking this whole little segment for parody, but they do seem to be sincere.
	Anyway... I mean, that was a lot.
	That was a lot to take in, I'm gonna be honest.
	Yeah, yeah. I'm not unentertained, but I'm also not unentertained by Chet Hanks.
	So like, you know, you gotta take what you can get these days.
	This is, cause I've heard, I mean, God, this is weird.
	All right. Okay. Okay.
	So are we going to talk about like what Deepak, like the guy, like, cause the other two guys kind of like came out for whatever, but like Deepak, She said that he made his debut, but also that everyone in the crowd is going to know who he is.
	I don't know why everyone would- That doesn't make sense to me.
	It doesn't make sense to me, to be honest, because I couldn't find anything to suggest that he would be in any way particularly famous already.
	You know, I scroll through all of his socials and his YouTube and all of this other stuff and like, obviously he's making his solo debut there.
	But yeah, he's done the music for Plandemic.
	His whole team humanity thing, which he's trying to put together like a little community of some description, but if you go to the website it just kind of plays, it shows his music.
	I'm like, okay.
	And same for all of his other links, really.
	So, yeah. Well, he's inspired by God with a heart of service.
	He's been called. Yeah, that's it.
	That's why. That's it.
	All right. On to the next guest.
	God doesn't get checks, so I don't know where the money's coming from.
	The Plandemic people, apparently.
	Anyway, so the next guest we have none other than Tiffany Justice, definitely her real name, the co-founder of Moms for Liberty.
	When I was on school board, the superintendent wanted to create a medical committee.
	He wanted to pick some doctors who were going to make recommendations for us and our children.
	And I looked at him and I told him that we do not co-parent with the government.
	What? In the busiest time of our lives, moms and dads didn't realize that we were going to have to get involved in our government.
	It was somebody else that ran for office.
	But we saw during COVID that politics matter because policies matter because people matter.
	And there were really bad policies that were hurting our families.
	And so we had to get involved.
	Moms and dads, you need to step up.
	You need to run for office.
	You need to figure out how you're going to support other people to run for office.
	Your vote matters.
	Your voice matters.
	President Trump stands for parental rights.
	He knows that parents have the fundamental right to direct the upbringing of their children.
	That includes their education, their medical care, their morality, their religion.
	Parents are the number one driver of student success.
	Stand up for our children.
	Stand up for our country.
	Your voice and your vote matters.
	Do not throw it away.
	We've got a chance to save America and remind the federal government that we do not co-parent with them.
	Thank you. Hmm.
	It's interesting how she wants the government to get out of schools and, you know, we don't co-parent with the federal government, but she's perfectly content in forcing her agenda into schools.
	Um, very, hmm, feels like a slight double standard.
	Trump, listen, Trump whatever, the Trump machine, every single slimy little wretch following Trump around and actually doing these things and pushing Trump forward to get their agendas in.
	Are actively limiting as much agency over individuals' bodies and their own medical choices as humanly possible with designs to continue to curtail that individual liberty for all women All AFAB individuals and all children.
	He's trying to center all of the medical control and all of the bodily autonom- like taking away the autonomy.
	He is trying to Concentrate!
	Oh my god! All of the control over bodies and medical choices and parental choices in white men at the top.
	And a couple of pick-me girls, like this one, who think that they're not going to be on the chopping block as soon as something inconvenient happens to them.
	It is fucking foolish for her, at best, to be in the position that she's in.
	Mm-hmm. Yeah.
	And I'd argue it's actually fucking wild.
	Like, that woman is fucking evil.
	Moms for Liberty has made massive problems all over the country.
	Oh, yeah. Destroyed lives all over the country.
	In fact, for those who don't know who Moms for Liberty are, right, here's a nice description from Mother Jones, right?
	Quote, Founded in 2021, Moms for Liberty began in Florida as a protest against school closures and then mask mandates.
	But as the pandemic wore on, the group's mission coalesced into what is now known as the Parents' Rights Movement, focusing on what its supporters see as the dire consequences of schools' over-involvement in shaping the moral lives of their offspring.
	The moms do not think children should be learning about institutional racism in the United States.
	The moms consider schools' social-emotional learning programs, which focus on soft skills like friendship, anger management, and being part of a community, to actually be Trojan horses for a Marxist agenda.
	The Moms want to purge school libraries of books that present gender as a spectrum rather than a binary.
	The Moms want the federal government out of the schools, and while they're at it, abolishing the Department of Education would be a good idea as well.
	These positions have yielded powerful alliances with deep-pocketed conservative groups.
	Although as a tax-exempt social welfare group, its finances are not public, Malms for Liberty acknowledges that it works intensively with the right-wing Heritage Foundation and the Leadership Institute, a Republican organization devoted to training conservative leaders.
	Do we know what that means?
	Project 2025. Everyone knows what that is now.
	I see the hammer has returned.
	Oh my god!
	It's so bad.
	It's... She's awful.
	She's... 100%.
	So with one hand, they're telling us that they want freedom for their kids and that they don't co-parent with the government, and with the other hand, they're banning books and prohibiting education about gender sexuality and anger management, and doing so via government.
	Bunch of hypocritical assholes.
	Essentially. It's hypocritical on its face.
	Yes. She can't say two sentences next to each other talking about her position or her motives or what she wants to happen without contradicting herself.
	And it's fucked up that people don't have to be accountable for that in the year of our Lord 2024.
	Yeah. This is crazy.
	And the amount, like, it takes...
	Conservative donors know where to put their money to make serious change and problems.
	And we watched this capture of school boards all over America starting in 2020, 2021.
	It was happening.
	She organized it.
	Moms for Liberty, they're fucking fascists, dude.
	They're fascists. This is a fascist agenda and project.
	It's like...
	I'm very...
	Again, who puts me in the dark place is like how I don't know anyone being surprised by this or not feeling the urgency of like the intersectional nature of all these problems feeding into one.
	If they can talk about all these different things on this stage, there's a reason.
	That's because they are plotting and scheming and doing like they are they've already organized.
	Yeah, because let me tell you if I don't, well, anyway.
	Maybe you should care about how the government and how your society is structured in basic civics before you have a kid.
	But that's just me. Maybe don't admit that you just wanted to leave it to, because also that's a lie.
	She's not new to this.
	She didn't just wake up one day and decide to become Moms for Liberty.
	This is an astroturfed movement and like foundation of all, just like the fucking tea party.
	There's nothing grassroots about it, but they can get away with it because, you know, because mostly there's...
	It's because of Scientology in the 80s.
	Oh my God, I can't listen.
	I'm going to sound really crazy.
	No, no, no. Go for it.
	I'm just going to hold the hammer and I'm done.
	Nope. Nope. It's going to be too much.
	Basically, being a foundation, being able to hide your finances because you're a non-profit, the rules aren't strict enough.
	They're not strict enough in some ways and way too strict in others.
	Yeah, it's a hell of a get-out-of-jail-free kind of situation, isn't it?
	Who knows how much money they're making, where it's coming from, what's happening with any of it?
	I'm willing to bet it's not going to look good if we look under that particular rock, but we can't know right now until there's some kind of lawsuit.
	Which there may well be at some point.
	So, I've got to say, I'm about halfway through all my clips here, so I think I'm going to call it.
	I think we're going to have to run for a part three here, to be perfectly honest.
	Are you serious? I'm deadly serious.
	Otherwise, this is going to be five hours, and that's going to be too much.
	So... So, yeah, I think we can bring part two to a close here.
	And there's some interesting stuff to look at for part three, I can promise that.
	It gets weirder. But...
	But yeah, I hope this has been interesting and destructive for everyone.
	Definitely had some interesting cast of characters.
	Yeah. How have you found it, Lauren?
	You look... Fuck you.
	Go away. It really sucks.
	I hate this. Beleaguered is the word I would use.
	Eat shit and die. Goddamn.
	Oh my god. Fucking seriously.
	I also, like... I could not give less of a shit about...
	I don't know. Straight up, I want to know where their fucking money's coming from.
	I don't...
	Listen, people make bad music every day, and it seems very trivial to even think about whenever these people are the people that are on the stage and the amount of...
	But also, how effective is it?
	What is the impact of this?
	What is...
	Yeah. It certainly breaks up the hate.
	It doesn't, though!
	Well, not for us, maybe. But, you know, this little kind of, this little buffer of, like, here's some bile and hatred and now here's some entertainment and a song and a dance and here's some comedy.
	But it's also hateful. Yeah.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	It's all to the same end.
	Like, I just...
	Yeah. Interesting event.
	What the fuck are we doing? Interesting event.
	Yeah, you know what? I've asked myself that a lot this week.
	Well, here's the thing.
	It's not particularly special.
	I'm not learning a lot of...
	And I know it's me.
	So I'm speaking as Lauren, not as listener stand-in.
	I'm not learning a lot of new shit.
	It's the same old song and dance.
	And these people have been around for a long time.
	What is the point of this particular event?
	And what's the aim?
	And what's Brett Weinstein getting out of it?
	Who is paying for it?
	And who is siphoning money through donations?
	Because it's still a telethon.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. The point of a telethon is fundraising.
	What are they actually doing?
	Because also, it doesn't seem like people are super stoked to even be there.
	Or maybe they are. I don't know.
	I can't really get a read on it.
	I do want to say that before I forget.
	I said last week, well, just in part one, that I was being generous with the 5,000 amount.
	And I was definitely being generous because you know what I've done since then is I have tried to kind of do the numbers as to how many people are in which thing.
	And I think even at my most generous kind of...
	And it's hard to tell with a big crowd.
	Like, that's why I set the upper buffer of 5,000.
	But I think, honestly, I would be generous at 2,000.
	Is having, like, trying to actually calculate how many people are there.
	I don't care.
	I don't care how many people are there.
	It doesn't matter. There are people there, and it's free.
	Because here's the thing.
	The first QAnon rally that QA was at had like 25 people.
	Right. So, and the impact, we're still feeling it, including in this event.
	Yeah. So, like, people will show up to a lot of stuff for free.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, right? I'm not necessarily, like, I don't think that that's, like, I don't find that pertinent in any way, like, because...
	I don't think it's for them.
	They're showing up to the video shoot on a Wednesday because they had the day off and your friend is making a music video.
	They're the ones that showed up to be color.
	Obviously, it's not for them because they aren't selling tickets to raise money.
	They are raising money on the live stream.
	Yes. No, I completely agree there.
	I find it interesting because of the scale of the lineup.
	I find it interesting that they could only draw that many people.
	You know, I'm like, you would think it would be larger and more kind of, you know, successful.
	I wouldn't at all! In a vacuum, Twitter has completely inflated numbers that are literally humanly impossible to achieve because they want that talking point.
	But it's not actually happening.
	The illusion, this is silent majority shit.
	This is like the religious right coalition shit is the notion and the idea.
	It's what January 6th, right?
	These guys showed up thinking the whole country was on their side and they were going to have this glorious revolution.
	And it turns out, now it's a couple thousand of you.
	And if you compare that to the actual, like, it's the same thing as a Trump rally.
	It's the same thing as, it's why Elon Musk thinks he has friends because of engagement on Twitter and people aren't going to show up.
	This is like, this is, but also none of that matters to the people that are behind the scenes.
	And that's something that like, does like a popular movement, like say protests against Or protest for just a fucking ceasefire and arms embargo from the US to Israel.
	That is a grassroots.
	People are looking at a situation in the world and they're horrified and they're appalled and they feel compelled to show up.
	And these are the same, like, the people who are watching on this bullshit are the same ones that act like they're, like, that, you know, yeah, paid Soros plants or whatever and that we're all, like, agents of the deep state.
	Every accusation is a confession, including the fact that it's a popular movement.
	If it was a popular movement, Moms for Liberty and the Tea Party and all this other shit wouldn't be astroturfed.
	They wouldn't have to pump money And they're not gonna pump money in somewhere that doesn't get a return on investment.
	These people aren't as popular as they appear to be or as they think they are, and that is everyone's fault.
	That's the whole media's fault for even representing, like...
	It's fucking Joe Biden's fault for thinking when he still could, like, form a thought in public that, like, hey, you haven't talked to the other side on this issue.
	And he's like, I sure did.
	I talked to Mitch McConnell.
	There is a myopic...
	Blinders on notion about politics that is a problem across the board.
	What we talk about all the time is that people don't actually want abortion restriction if you express the idea outside of a context of a...
	Corporate oligarchy that is controlling the narrative.
	Yeah, most people think that abortion's fucking tight and should be available as part of a regular healthcare that everyone should also be getting as part of what we pay for in fucking taxes.
	There's all these ideas that have been politicized and have been, because of fucking populism and because of this rhetoric that makes money for people, They, being the Koch brothers, Prager, whatever, they wouldn't be pumping money into these kinds of efforts if it wasn't effective.
	And also, if it's a telethon, if you are a nonprofit and you can get donations, then that same money machine can pump more money and let other guys pump more money into these projects.
	They aren't Endeavors that are profitable on their own, the manipulation and the social pressure and social control is what is making the money.
	So yeah, everyone that showed up is a prop.
	This is obviously not for them.
	Because there aren't that many people that like this shit.
	But there's enough of fanfare.
	I mean, it's Trump calling tabloids and pretending to be someone else talking about himself.
	He's been doing the generating your own popularity and pretending to be a...
	And everyone thinks he's a rich guy when he...
	That was the person who my dad...
	Taught me what bankruptcy was and how bullshit bankruptcy was when it's in a corporate setting and can be kind of fucking skirted around that Trump is not a rich guy.
	Trump is a six-time bankrupt fucking grifter, but he's so good at the PR part.
	They don't need to do anything else.
	And then they're there to fucking scoop up the detritus and then re-inject it into this social narrative.
	And the people that are, like, everyone in charge, everyone, this is my complaint about the fucking, like, lamestream media, is they're all in this rich, stupid-ass bubble, and they all think like Matt Taibbi, and I don't care what fucking side they're on.
	They aren't on a side.
	They're on the rich side.
	They're not left. They're not right.
	They're up. They're fucking rich and they want to stay rich and they will ruin our lives and they will ruin the planet.
	They will make the planet uninhabitable for all like this is it's just it's That's what I'm saying.
	It doesn't matter. Because it doesn't matter to them how many people show up.
	They want people there. That's why it was free.
	And they even promised the music.
	And we're showing you, listeners, they get one song and then a fucking half hour or two absolute dipshits trying to rile them up.
	They're there to push the fucking feeder bar for I want to be scared and I want to be angry.
	And there's like...
	Yeah, I know that your dad was mean to you and probably hit you.
	Please don't take it out on everyone else.
	That's not a nice place to be.
	Maybe we could have a better world.
	There is nothing about this.
	This is not an event in a way that we envision.
	If we go to a concert, that's not what's happening here.
	This is something else.
	This is entirely manufactured.
	There isn't grassroots.
	They had to fly motherfuckers in from Britain and Canada.
	It's amazing to me that they're so xenophobic.
	They're so xenophobic.
	But they want to listen to Canadians and dudes from the fucking UK. And then they have token black and brown guys to come and perform their fucking show.
	Sorry, that's not what this is about.
	Any kind of entertainment, that's not what this is about.
	This is a telethon for fucking right-wing grifters to get more money to slash around, to give to people like motherfucking James O'Keefe, to give people like fucking Jack Posobiec.
	That's why if you see these people talk, you're like, why does anyone care about what you have to say?
	You bump on a log.
	And it's because they have so much fucking money.
	And Vivek Ramaswamy already gave up the game saying, I want everything to be a popularity contest that can be won with money.
	Because I got away with the Elizabeth Holmes thing.
	She gets to be this pariah and I get to skate by even though I do the exact same thing because I know how to get my bag.
	And I want other people that help me to get their bag too.
	And that's exactly what JD Vance is.
	He's a fucking, like, he is a VC vulture nightmare person.
	Now, now, the rules were you wouldn't fact check, right?
	Oh, and a baby.
	Thank you for my name. Also a fucking baby.
	I don't know, man.
	There's like... This is all...
	I don't want to say that everything they say or do doesn't matter, but they already know it doesn't.
	They know it doesn't.
	That's why Matt Taibbi can say a bunch of disparate, boring things that you're like, eh, it's boring stuff.
	I agree.
	I bet it is.
	Because this is all springtime for Hitler.
	This is all the producers.
	I heard Plandemic the musical, and I'm like, this is too obvious.
	If the onion wrote it, we wouldn't believe it.
	It's obviously money laundering for psychopaths that, it's not that they want you dead.
	Listener, me and you, regular degular persons, they'd be fine if you were alive.
	They'd be fine, but they don't care.
	They don't care about you, your family, your job.
	They don't care about anyone but themselves, and they will say and do anything to get there.
	This is a narcissist party that they threw for themselves so they could get more money through quote-unquote donations, quote-unquote, not fucking dark money, which is what it fucking is.
	Read the goddamn book.
	Or Frontline, they did it.
	Frontline did a Dark Money episode, it's incredibly illuminating.
	Ironically, sorry, didn't mean to pun.
	It's just...
	It's amazing what...
	And they're still also bitching about fucking not making enough money.
	It's incredible. The amount of...
	These problems are so far gone And that there are so many people that are quote-unquote on the left and that are liberal and are Democrats or whatever.
	They have been pulled so far both to the right and out of reality.
	I don't trust any of them to make decisions.
	Okay, top of the list of like, I don't think you should have a driver's license, I don't trust you so much is RFK Jr.
	Let's just say it for this. He shouldn't be on the road.
	I don't want to drive next to that person, okay?
	It's not a consistent person, right?
	Your consistency is not congruous with the rules of the road.
	But a lot of these people, the thing is they can put their pants on and they can drive a car.
	So they have the capability of functioning in the world and they choose instead to behave in this way.
	I almost feel like even RFK Jr.
	is being used by them.
	They're all props for each other.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	It's difficult to kind of pinpoint a mastermind, you know, when they're all kind of just doing it to each other, isn't it?
	You know, it's... Yeah.
	Well, we know that RFK Jr.
	is sick and, like, needs help.
	Like, he's... That's like a sick person.
	Yeah. Just like Kanye is like a sick person.
	Yeah. And the fact that they are put in these, like, very public, like...
	Positions. There's something unethical about that.
	And there's that we all kind of participate in.
	But like, I think if we're at least aware of that, that like, because I think what we're learning from P. Diddy, all of this stuff coming out is you can be a victim and a perpetrator.
	And we need to be critical about where we see that line and who is at fault, who is the enemy.
	And even that, like Russell is like Russell is a prop.
	Russell is smart and shifty enough to have his own agenda.
	This is incredibly weird for Russell to be participating in this section of society at all.
	Obviously, something has gone incredibly wrong.
	Say that again.
	I don't give a shit about...
	Analyzing an audience, especially through video or anybody else is showing up.
	We need to know who it's for and who it's from.
	So what's being presented to us is not who it's for and who it's from.
	Where the fuck did Maha come from?
	Yeah, yeah. And the problem with trying to gauge the online kind of impact is that all the numbers are bullshit.
	Exactly. You can see that immediately.
	That works in their favor.
	Yeah, yeah. Because you could have a donation.
	So right, it's a telethon.
	And donations that come in, especially like, well, we're having this telethon.
	It could be someone who is watching this live feed who's never given up.
	One thin dime to any political cause in their life and they're so moved by one of these speakers, come with me now everybody, that they just have to give their extra $10 that was gonna, they were gonna get a sandwich and instead they are so compelled to That they have to give money to this cause.
	What is that cause? Search me.
	Whatever. That's what they're selling.
	In reality, and this is fucking non-profits.
	If this problem could be fixed across the board, and it's not, It could be someone who's waiting for the time to have this telethon and can hand money to 10 people as we're seeing right now coming out through the Eric Adams lawsuits and all the investigations how easy it is to game the system to put a lot of money in some pockets For this little event.
	And if you think that they are banking on the small person to make the money and not the big donor, you have been fooled.
	It's something I deal with straight up every day.
	It's amazing to me.
	I make my own shit, and then I sell it, and that's what I live on.
	I know what that actually looks like, and it's called poverty.
	Trying to put money together and $5 and $10 and $20 increments takes a lot of work and is very difficult.
	So they are not going...
	They'll still take grandma's money because they scared her.
	They absolutely will, but they're not relying on it.
	If they did, they'd have to charge for this fucking event and they'd have to have a full fucking set to call it a concert.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Yeah. It is interesting.
	It's a fucking scam!
	This is a scam! And I don't know who did it, and I don't know who's benefiting, necessarily.
	I can tell you the periphery, but I don't know what pocket is going from what pocket to which pocket.
	I don't know! Yeah. I'm assuming, given that it's Bret Weinstein's event, that he'll be pocketing something somewhere.
	Where is his pocket, though?
	Exactly. Where does his pocket live?
	Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
	I will say we do have his wife speaking to look forward to in part three.
	That's going to be interesting. Because she has a particular perspective to advance.
	I'm going to say that. Okay.
	Well, you'll see what I mean.
	But, okay, well, we'll see everybody for part three.
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	I'll do that. I'll do that tomorrow.
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