NXR Podcast - NXR Livestream - Is Donald Trump The Anti-Christ?
Aired: 2026-04-13
Duration: 50:22


=== The Spirit of Antichrist (15:00) ===

[00:00:00]  Donald Trump has lost his ever loving mind.
[00:00:03]  Maybe he's possessed by a demon.
[00:00:04]  Maybe he's always been this way to some extent.
[00:00:07]  I know that that's true.
[00:00:09]  He's done some good things.
[00:00:10]  And so a lot of people, a lot of conservatives are inclined to defend him and overlook some of his narcissism from the past.
[00:00:18]  But it was there and it's undeniable.
[00:00:21]  But this is a bit different, right?
[00:00:23]  It's one thing to post from Truth Social or Twitter back in the day pictures of you, the president, Donald Trump, with Jesus standing over your shoulders, smiling, you know, like you're.
[00:00:34]  The divinely chosen instrument in the hands of God to fix the country.
[00:00:40]  But this post, it's already been deleted just as a few minutes ago this morning.
[00:00:45]  It's Monday morning now, but on Sunday, the Lord's Day, the day that Christians go to church, it was posted.
[00:00:50]  I believe it also yesterday was Eastern Orthodox Easter.
[00:00:55]  So the Orthodox Easter.
[00:00:56]  And Trump posts not a picture of Jesus standing behind him benevolently or helping him or something like that, but a post of Trump himself as a Messianic figure, as though he is Christ.
[00:01:10]  And this is posted by probably one of his staffers, but regardless, it's from his Truth Social account.
[00:01:18]  This was posted on Sunday.
[00:01:19]  I'm going to show you the image.
[00:01:20]  There it is.
[00:01:21]  Yes, it's blasphemy.
[00:01:23]  This is blasphemous.
[00:01:24]  Trump looking like Jesus, healing some Jeffrey Epstein looking dude sitting there on the bottom.
[00:01:29]  And yes, for the record, we're not going to go deep into it, but the angels in the clouds that are supposedly fallen soldiers.
[00:01:38]  Who are kind of standing in affirmation, support of him.
[00:01:41]  One of them in the middle, if we can pull the image back up for a moment, you'll notice that one of them in the middle, it's like they were trying to go for this cross between a fallen soldier, slash angel, slash statue of liberty, but it turned out pretty bad.
[00:01:55]  It actually turned out to be a known demonic figure that has several implications.
[00:02:01]  It's not the statue of liberty.
[00:02:03]  I think that's probably an accident.
[00:02:05]  We can give the benefit of the doubt, but it's not a good look.
[00:02:08]  No matter how you slice it, The President of the United States does not need to be posting images from his social media account where he is taking upon himself the image of Christ.
[00:02:20]  Trump has lost his mind.
[00:02:22]  Okay, so all that being said, we're going to talk about the Antichrist because I've seen a lot of posts going on, and this isn't the first time, but it's kicked back up.
[00:02:30]  Certainly, it's flared back up because of this post on his true social.
[00:02:35]  But for a decade now, people have asked the question again and again and again.
[00:02:41]  Is Trump the Antichrist?
[00:02:42]  Is Trump the Antichrist?
[00:02:44]  And so I want to give you guys a little bit of doctrine in regards to the Antichrist because there's actually some stuff about the Antichrist that a lot of Christians do not know.
[00:02:52]  And so we're going to be here in the second half of our live stream today.
[00:02:57]  We're going to be talking about the Antichrist and that doctrine and how it's formulated from Daniel chapter 9, Matthew chapter 24, as well as the book of Revelation.
[00:03:07]  Not Revelations, but Revelation.
[00:03:09]  Okay?
[00:03:10]  That's how you know right now.
[00:03:11]  A lot of people are going to be posting about the Antichrist.
[00:03:13]  If you see a podcaster and he says, Let me talk to you about the book of Revelations.
[00:03:18]  And he puts an S on the end, makes it plural.
[00:03:21]  Feel free to turn off that podcast right there.
[00:03:22]  He's never read the Bible a single time in his life.
[00:03:25]  He doesn't know what he's talking about.
[00:03:26]  That's not even the name of the book.
[00:03:28]  It's the book of Revelation.
[00:03:29]  It is the revelation of Jesus Christ.
[00:03:31]  So we're going to be breaking down what Revelation says about the Antichrist.
[00:03:37]  Spoiler the word Antichrist is not in the book of Revelation, nor is it in Matthew, nor is it in Daniel.
[00:03:43]  Okay.
[00:03:43]  It only appears in one place.
[00:03:45]  And that's what I'm going to break down first, right now, without any further ado.
[00:03:49]  Antichrist.
[00:03:50]  As a term, only appears in 1 John.
[00:03:53]  And I'm going to show you two different portions of scripture, 1 John chapter 2 and 1 John chapter 4, and see if it lines up with Donald J. Trump.
[00:04:01]  So I'm going to do that in just a moment.
[00:04:04]  Second half of the episode, we'll look at Daniel chapter 9, Matthew 24, and Revelation.
[00:04:09]  And we'll talk about the concept of an antichrist and where that doctrine kind of formulated predominantly from dispensational, premillennial evangelicals.
[00:04:20]  All right.
[00:04:20]  And so we're going to be doing that in the second half of the live stream today.
[00:04:23]  But let's start where the word.
[00:04:25]  Antichrist actually shows up in the Bible, the only place that it shows up in the book of 1 John.
[00:04:31]  Okay, chapter 2 and chapter 4.
[00:04:33]  We'll start with chapter 2.
[00:04:34]  This is 1 John chapter 2, verses.
[00:04:38]  We're going to be looking at verse 18 and then skipping forward to verse 22 and 23.
[00:04:43]  So three verses here.
[00:04:44]  1 John chapter 2, verse 18, verse 22 and 23.
[00:04:48]  This is what the Bible says Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that Antichrist.
[00:04:57]  Is coming.
[00:04:59]  So now many antichrists have come.
[00:05:03]  Past tense, they've already come.
[00:05:05]  Therefore, we know that the hour is late.
[00:05:09]  This is 2000 years ago, right?
[00:05:11]  This is the Apostle John writing scripture underneath the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
[00:05:15]  He's saying, The hour is late.
[00:05:17]  You know that the antichrist is coming.
[00:05:21]  But many antichrists, plural, have already come.
[00:05:25]  And the fact that many, not just one, But plural, many antichrists have already appeared and already come.
[00:05:31]  That's one of the things that signifies that the hour, even 2,000 years ago, as John is writing, is already late.
[00:05:39]  Now, skipping forward, what is the antichrist or antichrist plural?
[00:05:43]  What do they look like?
[00:05:44]  This is verse 22 and 23 now.
[00:05:47]  Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?
[00:05:52]  This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
[00:05:58]  No one who denies the Son has the Father.
[00:06:01]  And whoever confesses the Son has the Father also.
[00:06:06]  Now, I want to cross reference.
[00:06:07]  Keep that in mind.
[00:06:08]  That's 1 John 2, verse 18, 22, and 23.
[00:06:12]  Now, skip over two chapters later.
[00:06:14]  This is 1 John 4, and we're going to be looking at the first three verses 1, 2, and 3.
[00:06:20]  1 John 4, verses 1 through 3.
[00:06:22]  The Bible says this Beloved, do not believe every spirit.
[00:06:27]  You've got to have discernment.
[00:06:29]  But test the spirits to see whether they are from God.
[00:06:33]  For many false prophets.
[00:06:36]  It's not exactly the term antichrist, but we're going to get there.
[00:06:39]  Many false prophets have gone out into the world.
[00:06:43]  Many, not just one, but many.
[00:06:46]  Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, John Hagee, Paula White, right?
[00:06:52]  But it's not just one, to be fair.
[00:06:54]  But they are evil, wicked, demonic false prophets.
[00:06:58]  They are wolves in sheep's clothing.
[00:07:00]  Paula White is not a pastor, she is a wolf.
[00:07:03]  She hates the Lord Jesus Christ, she hates the truth of Scripture, and she is leading millions of people to hell.
[00:07:10]  Including the president of these United States.
[00:07:14]  She is a false prophet, but she's not the only one.
[00:07:17]  There are many.
[00:07:19]  Just like many antichrists, that's 1 John 2 that we just read.
[00:07:23]  Now, 1 John 4, many false prophets have gone out into the world.
[00:07:28]  By this, you will be able to discern and test and know the Spirit of God.
[00:07:35]  Here it is.
[00:07:35]  Here's the test.
[00:07:37]  Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ, right?
[00:07:40]  1 John 2 said that Jesus Christ is God's son.
[00:07:44]  If you receive the Son, then you have the Father.
[00:07:46]  And if you truly know the Father, you'll recognize and accept the Son.
[00:07:50]  But now it gets in 1 John chapter 4 a little bit more specific.
[00:07:54]  By this you will know the Spirit of God.
[00:07:57]  Every spirit that confesses not just that Jesus Christ is God's Son, but that he has, past tense, he has already come in the flesh.
[00:08:08]  Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is a trustworthy spirit from God.
[00:08:16]  And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus is not from God.
[00:08:22]  This is the spirit of the Antichrist.
[00:08:24]  So, not just false prophets, but again, here's the term Antichrist.
[00:08:29]  What is the spirit of the Antichrist?
[00:08:32]  Any spirit that denies that Jesus is the Son, rejects the Son, and therefore rejects the Father, and more specifically, that denies that Jesus has not come, not a future Messiah that we're still waiting for, but that Jesus is the Messiah and that he has past tense already come in the flesh, the incarnation.
[00:08:53]  Any spirit that denies that.
[00:08:55]  That denies the past tense incarnation of Jesus Christ as the divine Son of God.
[00:09:02]  Any spirit that denies that is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard was coming, future tense, and now is in the world already.
[00:09:13]  So even at the time of John the Apostle, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, writing infallible scripture 2,000 years ago, even at that time, he's saying the Antichrist, that is a spirit, a collective, Ethos that embodies the Antichrist, the spirit of the Antichrist, is not something that we're waiting for 2,000 years later at some future time, but has already entered into the world and possessed many individual people,
[00:09:41]  so that many have been false prophets and many have been plural, not singular, plural, Antichrist.
[00:09:47]  Many Antichrists have already, at John's time, come out into the world, all embodying the one collective spirit of the Antichrist.
[00:09:58]  And what is That the specific defining qualities, characteristics of that one spirit of the Antichrist, he denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but even more specifically, it denies that Jesus Christ has past tense, not just we're still waiting for a Messiah, future Messiah, but that he has already come into the world and taken on flesh.
[00:10:26]  That the Son of God has come into the world, the incarnation, and taken on flesh.
[00:10:32]  Any spirit.
[00:10:35]  That meets that criteria is the spirit of the Antichrist, and that spirit, collective spirit of the Antichrist, can possess many, not just one, but many individual people.
[00:10:49]  And there were individual people who possessed that spirit of the Antichrist at the time of John, and for these past 2,000 years since then, there have been many more, and there are many still to this day.
[00:11:01]  Now, I'm gonna make one final point.
[00:11:03]  Here's the deal.
[00:11:04]  Do I think that Donald J. Trump is the Antichrist?
[00:11:08]  No.
[00:11:10]  Do I think that he is an Antichrist?
[00:11:13]  Many Antichrists have gone out into the world.
[00:11:15]  Maybe.
[00:11:15]  But even then, probably not.
[00:11:18]  And here's why because he's not bad, because he's not blasphemous, because he's a.
[00:11:22]  No, no, no.
[00:11:23]  He's blasphemous.
[00:11:24]  He's a narcissist.
[00:11:25]  He's arrogant.
[00:11:27]  And in his second administration, he is doing a terrible job.
[00:11:31]  Okay.
[00:11:32]  That said, the Bible is specific.
[00:11:35]  You don't get to generalize and just make it whatever you want it to be.
[00:11:39]  And the only book of the Bible, namely 1 John, that actually uses the term Antichrist and plural Antichrist, defines what the spirit of the Antichrist is.
[00:11:50]  And if we're going to go with the Bible's clear, specific definition of the Antichrist or the spirit of the Antichrist, that can possess many individual people, men and women alike, and did at the time of John and still does today in our time as well, the specific criteria for an Antichrist spirit is someone who denies that Jesus has come in the flesh.
[00:12:12]  There are many people today.
[00:12:13]  Who deny that Jesus has come in the flesh and that he is the Son of God, and who are deceiving and teaching others that Jesus has not come in the flesh, that he is not the Son of God.
[00:12:23]  In that sense, Paula White would not be one of the Antichrists.
[00:12:27]  She would be a false prophet and a false teacher, but she wouldn't technically be one of the Antichrists because she is not denying that Jesus has come in the flesh.
[00:12:36]  She's denying a lot of other things.
[00:12:38]  She's teaching a lot of terrible, heretical, garbage doctrine, but she does not deny the incarnation and the deity of Jesus Christ.
[00:12:48]  There are a lot of people who do.
[00:12:49]  They're called unbelievers.
[00:12:53]  But as far as I know, if we're thinking of national collectives, there are many unbelievers, and all unbelievers, to some extent or another, deny that Jesus is God, deny that he's the Son of God, and deny the incarnation.
[00:13:10]  That Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary, conceived of the Holy Spirit.
[00:13:14]  Pretty much every non Christian would deny those things.
[00:13:18]  And therefore, every non Christian, to some extent, denies.
[00:13:22]  Does embody the spirit of the Antichrist.
[00:13:26]  But there's not a whole lot of countries, entire nations, that are literally founded on an Antichrist spirit.
[00:13:36]  Brazil is not founded on a rejection of Jesus Christ coming, past tense, not awaiting a future Messiah, but past tense that Jesus is the Son of God and that He has already come into the world in the flesh.
[00:13:51]  That wouldn't characterize Brazil, that wouldn't characterize America.
[00:13:55]  Or England or Spain or France or Canada, it really only characterizes one country.
[00:14:03]  There's only one country that, at a national level, has embraced as a foundational principle the rejection of the fact that Jesus is the Son of God and that He has already come into the world in the flesh, and that's Israel.
[00:14:24]  So, is Donald Trump the Antichrist?
[00:14:27]  No.
[00:14:29]  Are there plural, many antichrists that have already gone out into the world?
[00:14:34]  Yes.
[00:14:35]  Has Donald Trump, who is not the antichrist, in his narcissism, because of being flattered and just appointing and exalting everyone who tells him what he wants to hear, has Donald Trump, who is not the antichrist, surrounded himself by many antichrists, by many Zionists, by many Jews?

=== Pride and Foolishness (06:57) ===

[00:15:00]  By many individuals, by Laura Loomer, by Mark Levin, by Lindsey Graham, has Donald Trump replaced all of the Christians that have supported him historically and given precedence to Jared Kushner and all these individuals?
[00:15:21]  Has Donald Trump and Susie Wiles, because we actually have guys who we know inside the Trump administration who can vouch for this, Susie Wiles has basically banned for months now.
[00:15:33]  Anyone from like a 200 foot radius from the Oval Office speaking to Donald Trump, unless they are pro Israel and a radical Zionist.
[00:15:43]  So Trump has been isolated.
[00:15:45]  Did you ever watch the Truman Show, Jim Carrey?
[00:15:49]  And he thinks he's living his normal life, but everything is syndicated, everything is fabricated, manipulated, right?
[00:15:56]  There's a whole massive TV crew, and he lives in a literal bubble.
[00:16:01]  That's Trump.
[00:16:03]  That's Trump.
[00:16:04]  And there's a lot of different speculation for how it happened.
[00:16:07]  Nobody knows for sure.
[00:16:10]  It either happened because he's simply so arrogant that Zionists were just able to flatter him, and then he gave them precedence, and then they boxed out everybody else.
[00:16:20]  So it could be just pride, it could be his age, dementia, or it could be straight up blackmail.
[00:16:27]  I mean, don't forget, it wasn't that long ago when Elon Musk and Donald Trump were having their feud.
[00:16:34]  Elon Musk dropped his bomb tweet.
[00:16:37]  The reason why the Epstein files won't be released is because Trump is in them.
[00:16:41]  So it could be that he's blackmailed and that Israel, Mossad, has dirt on him.
[00:16:46]  It could be that maybe, you know, he's in the Epstein files, as many people are, but it's innocuous and he didn't actually do anything illegal.
[00:16:54]  He's just named in them and Elon just lost his temper and got mad.
[00:16:59]  But it could be that Mossad is like, well, we can't blackmail you necessarily, but we'll kill your family.
[00:17:07]  It could be that.
[00:17:08]  That's a real possibility.
[00:17:09]  So it could be either threats against his family.
[00:17:13]  It could be blackmail against his reputation.
[00:17:15]  It could be dementia because of his age and health.
[00:17:19]  Or it could just be as simple as Trump is arrogant.
[00:17:23]  He's done some good things, but he's always been incredibly arrogant and narcissistic.
[00:17:29]  And the Zionists in his administration flattered him when other people were like, I don't know if it's a good idea to bomb Iran.
[00:17:37]  Actually, I don't know if it's a good idea to risk World War III.
[00:17:40]  Actually, I don't know if it really is 17D chess to open the straight that was already opened and then close the straight so that we own the straight and then pay, you know, we're going to have to pay, you know, fees as we pass it.
[00:17:57]  Like, I don't know if that's smart.
[00:17:58]  It could just simply be that Trump got bad counsel and he felt like it was a good idea.
[00:18:05]  And then other guys who are willing to tell him the truth.
[00:18:09]  Did that, told him the truth.
[00:18:11]  He didn't like it, took personal offense, boxed him out.
[00:18:14]  The Zionists flattered him, and because of his pride and his ego, all of a sudden the Oval Office is filled with the lower loomers of the world, and the Tucker Carlson's have been banished.
[00:18:27]  And so now he's in the Truman effect.
[00:18:31]  He's in the bubble where his whole world is being syndicated, and as he makes increasingly poor decisions, right, the guys who would tell him the truth have all been boxed out by Susie Wiles and the Zionists and Jews.
[00:18:44]  Who are currently in close proximity to Trump are the only ones allowed to speak to him, and they just syndicate all the information.
[00:18:50]  Like, oh, well, CNN says you have 100% approval on everything in the world, the highest approval of any president.
[00:18:57]  When the reality is that he's going down in the polls.
[00:19:01]  And maybe he literally just doesn't know.
[00:19:03]  Maybe they're literally just lying to him, like Jim Kerry in The Truman Show.
[00:19:07]  And still, that's not to absolve Trump.
[00:19:09]  Because a lot of guys, you know, people said, like, well, if you say he's demon possessed, then you're still just saying the devil made me do it.
[00:19:15]  You're absolving Trump.
[00:19:17]  I'm not absolving Trump.
[00:19:19]  They could be threatening to kill his family.
[00:19:21]  He could be blackmailed because he actually is in the Epstein files and it's not benign, it's bad.
[00:19:26]  Or he could have dementia.
[00:19:27]  Those are three things that are kind of beyond him.
[00:19:29]  But Achman's razor, the simplest explanation is usually the right one.
[00:19:33]  The simplest explanation is he's just arrogant.
[00:19:37]  And he is morally culpable for his pride, his sin of pride.
[00:19:41]  And in his pride, he exalted those who would flatter him and banished all those who would tell him the truth.
[00:19:48]  Proverbs says that the wounds of a friend are better than the kisses of an enemy.
[00:19:53]  And a wise man knows the difference.
[00:19:56]  But it's quite possible that he's not a wise man.
[00:19:58]  He's a foolish man, an arrogant man.
[00:20:01]  Arrogance makes you foolish.
[00:20:03]  It dims your wits.
[00:20:04]  It makes you less discerning.
[00:20:06]  And in his arrogance, unbridled pride, it caused him to be foolish.
[00:20:10]  He exalted those who flattered him, kisses of enemies, and banished, right, the critiques of friends who really did love him and were trying to help.
[00:20:21]  And now, because the full proximity around Trump, surrounding him, is your Mark Levins and your Laura Loomers, they've syndicated a reality for him to where he doesn't even know up or down or right or left.
[00:20:34]  He's being lied to, thinks that he's really popular, and that all the decisions he's making are really great when they're really not.
[00:20:40]  So, Trump is the Antichrist.
[00:20:43]  This is the first half of the show.
[00:20:45]  Then we're going to get to Daniel chapter 9, Matthew 24, and Revelation.
[00:20:48]  But the first half of the show is this the only explicit mention using that term, Antichrist, in the Bible is 1 John chapter 2 and chapter 4.
[00:20:58]  And big key takeaways is this number one, the Antichrist is not just a singular person, but it's a collective spirit.
[00:21:06]  And it's specifically defined as a rejection that Christ is the Son of God and that he has already, past tense, come in the flesh, the incarnation.
[00:21:18]  And the next big idea is that this spirit can embody many individuals, many antichrists, plural, have gone out into the world.
[00:21:26]  To a lower degree, the spirit of the antichrist does actually embody all unbelievers because all unbelievers reject that Jesus is the Son of God and that he's come in the flesh.
[00:21:37]  But at a higher level, The spirit of the Antichrist certainly embodies those who have built their entire existence, or we could even say an entire nation's existence, on that fundamental principle that Jesus is not the Messiah, he's not the Son of God, and the incarnation is a lie.

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[00:21:58]  That doesn't really describe any nation except for Israel, and people from Israel, or who are beholden to Israel, or are obsessed with Israel, seem to be the only people.
[00:22:10]  Who have any proximity to Trump?
[00:22:13]  So is Trump the Antichrist?
[00:22:14]  No.
[00:22:15]  Is he surrounded by many Antichrists?
[00:22:18]  Yes.
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[00:25:08]  All right, we are back.
[00:25:10]  Wesley taught our very own.
[00:25:11]  He's going to take it and give us a theological kind of 30,000 foot view of the idea, the modern, because it is modern, modern idea of the Antichrist being a singular person that comes at the end of the age using the only collection of passages in the Bible that are used predominantly by dispensationalists to make this argument.
[00:25:32]  And that would be Daniel chapter 9, Matthew 24, and parts of Revelation.
[00:25:37]  But I want to just make one point real quick.
[00:25:40]  And I know this hurts because people are like, man, the Antichrist.
[00:25:43]  Trump is the Antichrist.
[00:25:45]  Here's the deal.
[00:25:47]  If you want to not look stupid, I'm going to give you a pro tip.
[00:25:50]  If you want to not look stupid because you've been recently J-pilled in the last 15 minutes and you're realizing, oh my goodness, like Paula White is a radical dispensational Zionist, false teacher in the ear of Trump.
[00:26:08]  And dispensational Zionism is a plague on these United States.
[00:26:14]  Okay, I'm with you.
[00:26:15]  I agree.
[00:26:16]  But if you don't like dispensational Zionism, you need to recognize that your idea, the modern idea of the Antichrist being a singular figure who comes at the end, that's a dispensational idea.
[00:26:29]  So you can't have your cake and eat it too.
[00:26:32]  You want to reject the stranglehold of Israel over the United States that's using false theology in order to guilt evangelicals to voting for pro Israel GOP candidates again and again and again so that our sons go and die and bleed out in the sand in the Middle East fighting Israel's wars.
[00:26:49]  I'm with you.
[00:26:49]  I want to reject that too, but you got to reject the whole thing.
[00:26:53]  And the modern notion of a singular figure being the Antichrist who comes at the end of the age, right before the return of Christ, and ushers in a world global order, that is a dispensational Zionist idea.
[00:27:07]  Okay.
[00:27:08]  All right.
[00:27:08]  Well, there is this archetypal figure that lives in the imagination of the American evangelical from Hal Lindsay's 1970 book, The Late Great Planet Earth, and Tim LaHaye's Left Behind series.
[00:27:19]  And that is the figure.
[00:27:20]  Of the Antichrist, the embodiment of evil.
[00:27:23]  He's magnetic, he's charming, and he makes peace with all of these nations.
[00:27:27]  But then it's revealed that all of it was a lie, and he sets himself up as the being, as the person, as the one who's going to be worshiped as God.
[00:27:36]  And to even give the devil his due right at the beginning here, there's some parallels with, again, the dispensationalist version of end times eschatology and Trump.
[00:27:44]  This is someone who makes peace, and specifically peace in the Middle East, peace with Israel.
[00:27:50]  We talked about the rebuilding of the third temple a couple weeks ago with Dale Partridge and Calvin Robinson.
[00:27:54]  That's a key portion of, again, dispensational end times prophecy, that an Antichrist figure is going to come in.
[00:28:01]  He's going to broker peace.
[00:28:02]  The third temple is going to be rebuilt.
[00:28:04]  Sacrifices are going to be resumed.
[00:28:06]  And then he breaks that covenant.
[00:28:08]  He himself desecrates the temple.
[00:28:11]  Even worse judgments are poured out.
[00:28:12]  And you can kind of see if someone grew up thinking that.
[00:28:15]  I remember hearing is Barack Obama the Antichrist?
[00:28:18]  Is this him?
[00:28:19]  Is he going to magnetically do peace in the Middle East?
[00:28:21]  Is he going to fix it all and then break it at the end of time?
[00:28:24]  Trump, we know, he restored the embassy to Jerusalem as a recognition of Israel's sovereignty.
[00:28:29]  So there's something there to say hey, if we're really expecting at the end of time for someone to come in and to influence world politics and be seen as this incredible personality that somehow made all of these wars go away, there's actually something to be said there.
[00:28:44]  And they're going to have a focus on Israel.
[00:28:45]  I mean, that's Donald Trump.
[00:28:47]  But here's the deal with Antichrist Joel mentioned he expounded 1 John.
[00:28:52]  That is the only book in the Bible that explicitly mentions the word Antichrist, where we have this concept of someone brokering peace.
[00:28:59]  Restoring sacrifices, requiring the mark of the beast to bind to sell, we're actually combining about four to five different concepts from across the Old Testament, from Jesus' prophecies in Matthew, from John's vision, the apocalypse in Revelation, and the book of 1 John.
[00:29:14]  So you're taking five different concepts everywhere, you're combining them into one person and saying, This figure, he'll do these things that are all prophesied back in Daniel.
[00:29:22]  He's the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24.
[00:29:25]  He's the antichrist in 1 John, and he's the beast that exalts worship of himself as worship of God, requires a mark, requires allegiance.
[00:29:32]  Even to be able to buy a loaf of bread.
[00:29:35]  But when you get into each passage, when you look at all of them, you say, well, actually, no, here in Daniel is talking about this.
[00:29:41]  And here in Matthew, Jesus is talking about this.
[00:29:43]  And here in Revelation, we're talking about this.
[00:29:45]  And so we're not going to do a two hour lecture on this, but I want to go to Daniel chapter 9.
[00:29:48]  We talk a lot about Matthew 24, but Daniel chapter 9, for one, first of all, it's an incredible apologetic for the Bible.
[00:29:55]  In the book of Daniel chapter 9, Daniel is in prayer and he's visited by an angel.
[00:29:59]  And remember, the people of Israel are in exile at the time.
[00:30:01]  They're in Babylon, they're without the temple, they're without Jerusalem.
[00:30:05]  And an angel comes to him and he says, 70 weeks have been apportioned for you and for your people.
[00:30:10]  And he actually predicts, he says, there are seven sevens.
[00:30:13]  So that's going to be seven weeks.
[00:30:14]  That's going to be 49 years.
[00:30:16]  Each of these weeks is considered as years.
[00:30:18]  49 years.
[00:30:19]  And then 62 sevens.
[00:30:22]  62 times seven, 434 years.
[00:30:24]  Those first 49 from the decree is rebuilding of the temple.
[00:30:28]  434 years is the period of time after this.
[00:30:31]  This maps to 483 years.
[00:30:33]  Well, it actually turns out from the decree of Xerxes, To rebuild the temple to the public ministry of Jesus is 483 years.
[00:30:40]  So you have an incredible prophecy.
[00:30:42]  I mean, the United States has only been around.
[00:30:43]  We're just coming up on 250 years.
[00:30:46]  So this would be another 250 years prior to the Declaration of Independence that someone prophesied someone's going to come.
[00:30:53]  The prince is going to come to his people.
[00:30:55]  He's going to make a covenant.
[00:30:56]  He's going to die in the holy city.
[00:30:59]  And that prediction coming true to just about the year.
[00:31:02]  So, first of all, when you read Daniel 9, it's highly debated.
[00:31:05]  There's lots that's in there.
[00:31:06]  But the first thing is it's a strong apologetic for.
[00:31:09]  Biblical prophecy, strong apologetic for the inerrancy and the inspiration of scripture that all the way hundreds of years prior to Christ, Daniel was looking ahead to the prince that was coming, the one who's going to renew the covenant and the climactic end of the old covenant that was made with the Jews.
[00:31:28]  Now, if you read Daniel chapter 9, you have the seven sevens and you have the 62 weeks, and in this final week, this is where all dispensationalist theology hinges on, you have these last seven years.
[00:31:39]  And in the middle of these years, you have this figure, you have this prince that it says is cut off.
[00:31:44]  And has nothing.
[00:31:44]  And then he makes a covenant with many and he puts an end to sacrifice.
[00:31:49]  Now, what figure is cut off, puts an end to sacrifice, and makes a covenant?
[00:31:53]  Well, that figure is, historically, the church has taught, it's Christ.
[00:31:57]  It's not the Antichrist.
[00:31:58]  Daniel chapter 9 does not mention the Antichrist.
[00:32:02]  What Daniel chapter 9 does mention is the king.
[00:32:05]  And then it mentions a second element, which is the abomination of desolation.
[00:32:08]  And the abomination of desolation is referenced by Jesus himself in Matthew chapter 24, as well as Luke chapter 21.
[00:32:16]  So in Matthew 24, Jesus is saying, the temple is going to be destroyed, and not one stone is going to be left upon another.
[00:32:22]  And when you see the abomination of desolation, Luke 21 records it as, when you see the armies drawing close, flee to the hills.
[00:32:30]  And Jesus himself explicitly says, when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
[00:32:35]  Now, if you've been listening to our show for any length of time, you know that we view Matthew 24 as largely having been fulfilled.
[00:32:41]  Jesus made an incredible prophecy.
[00:32:44]  He said, This temple, Jerusalem, is going to be sacked.
[00:32:47]  It's incredible as the fires burned and the temple was destroyed, the gold ran down all of the stones.
[00:32:53]  And so the Romans, to extract all of the stones or all of the gold, took every stone off.
[00:32:59]  And so not a single stone was left on top of one another.
[00:33:01]  And the Christians that were in Jerusalem, they actually, because of Jesus' words, had the foresight and the warning to escape.
[00:33:08]  So it's this incredible prophecy.
[00:33:10]  And Jesus directly connects this event, the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD, with Daniel chapter 9, the abomination of desolation.
[00:33:18]  The Roman Emperor Titus, who came to the temple, who sacked it and destroyed it, who took the place where God.
[00:33:25]  Used to dwell where his presence used to reside, the holy of holies, and tore it all down.
[00:33:30]  And so, what Daniel chapter 9 and Matthew 24, as these two passages are talking about, is Christ coming, sacrificing himself, the sacking of the temple.
[00:33:39]  That's not what 1st John is speaking of.
[00:33:41]  Nowhere does 1st John speak of confirming a covenant, brokering world peace.
[00:33:46]  Nowhere does 1st John talk about the resume of sacrifices.
[00:33:50]  1st John is about denying that Jesus has come in the flesh.
[00:33:53]  Now, the last piece people connect this with is Revelation, Revelation 13, 16, and 20, where you have actually two figures.
[00:33:59]  It's the beast and the false prophet.
[00:34:01]  And these characters emerge after you have the one who rules the nations with a rod of iron, that being Christ.
[00:34:07]  You have the antitype to him.
[00:34:09]  Now, how we interpret Revelation is also the same, a partial preterist hermeneutic, as in most of this is describing the end of the old covenant in the first century.
[00:34:19]  That Jesus is describing, Hebrews speaks of this, that which is growing old and getting ready to pass away.
[00:34:24]  So the old covenant is closing, and you see, true to the dispensationalist instinct of this antichrist, this negative archetype character.
[00:34:33]  You do see a beast and a false prophet come, and they require worship of themselves.
[00:34:38]  Now, what that likely refers to, the way we read that as referring to, is the Roman state.
[00:34:43]  In the first century, they persecuted Christians tirelessly.
[00:34:46]  And there was a point where you even had to, to buy and to sell, pledge allegiance to the Roman emperor to say, He's supreme, emperor worship, He is Lord.
[00:34:55]  And so, if you were a Christian during that time, so many Christians were put to death because they refused to acknowledge the Roman emperor as a deity, they refused to engage in worship of Him.
[00:35:06]  And so, what you have, instead of these five passages describing a figure that's coming at the end of time, what you have is different passages that, in some ways, point to Christ, in some ways, point to the desolation of the temple, in some ways, point to the Roman state that persecuted Christians in the first century.
[00:35:20]  What you don't have is the expectation of someone who's coming, who brokers peace in the Middle East.
[00:35:26]  No, we're in the gospel age now.
[00:35:28]  We're in the rule and reign of Christ.
[00:35:30]  It says in Revelation that Christ rules and reigns for a thousand years.
[00:35:34]  It also says in 1 Corinthians 15, he must rule until he has made every enemy a footstool for his feet.
[00:35:39]  That is the gospel age.
[00:35:40]  That is the last days.
[00:35:41]  That's what we're in now.
[00:35:43]  And so Trump may have resemblances to someone who makes peace and someone who sets this up and maybe even allows some of the foundations of the third temple to be built.
[00:35:52]  But from biblical prophecy, we're not expecting any of that.
[00:35:54]  All of that is in our past, all of that is different events.
[00:35:57]  What we look forward now to is the final return, not of a dark prince, not of an antichrist, but the Christ, physically returning the resurrection of the dead as he places all of his enemies under his feet.
[00:36:10]  Well said.
[00:36:10]  Yeah, I was just going to say, like, so you have Daniel chapter 9, which I think, as you laid out, it's sort of the build up to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, in our view.
[00:36:20]  But you also, if you jump back to chapters in Daniel chapter 7, and you could also look in the New Testament, 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, you get this concept of the man of lawlessness, the blasphemer who sits in the seat of God and persecutes the saints.
[00:36:35]  And then, so you can view Daniel chapter 7, 2 Thessalonians, Chapter 2, Man of Lawlessness, and then Revelation 13 is all sort of post Christ persecution of the saints.
[00:36:45]  And so, again, it's really convoluted.
[00:36:48]  I mean, you can imagine just like your good old dispensationalist in the middle of Alabama trying to make sense of this with him.
[00:36:55]  Conflating all of it.
[00:36:56]  Right, him and his Bible.
[00:36:58]  Did you say that 2 Thessalonians, what?
[00:37:01]  Chapter 2.
[00:37:02]  Can you read the text?
[00:37:03]  Yeah, so starting in verse, I think it's 5.
[00:37:07]  Do you not remember that when I was still with you, I told you these things, and you know what is restraining him now, so that he may be revealed in time?
[00:37:14]  For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work.
[00:37:17]  Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
[00:37:20]  And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.
[00:37:27]  Yeah, so we've got somebody in the chat saying that the man of lawlessness is Nero.
[00:37:31]  I appreciate that take.
[00:37:32]  I think you're close.
[00:37:34]  I think that Nero is actually the beast that's mentioned in Revelation.
[00:37:40]  I think, you know, it says his mark is 666, and I forget what it's, but it's like hieroglyphic, like Greek nomenclature that.
[00:37:51]  Ultimately, it spells out Nero's full title.
[00:37:54]  Well, I've heard the articulation that it was like a code.
[00:37:59]  It was something that was, you know, you imagine the churches being actively being persecuted, and so they were using specific codes to like describe someone and spell a name without actually.
[00:38:08]  Yeah, Revelation speaks with a bit of ambiguity because it was going to be passed out for Christians to be reading.
[00:38:14]  It was something that was soon to come about.
[00:38:16]  That's how Revelation begins.
[00:38:18]  And for them not to get in trouble, it's like passing, you know, notes in the classroom.
[00:38:22]  You don't want to get.
[00:38:22]  Caught by the teacher.
[00:38:23]  It'd be like taking your abbreviation, like Joel D. Weaven, and saying, like, all right, J is, I don't know, the 11th letter of the alphabet, you could say.
[00:38:30]  And John says this in Revelation, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
[00:38:34]  And then spelled out to the Greek letter, that's what it maps to.
[00:38:36]  And I think in Arabic, it maps to a different number, but that also perfectly maps to Nero's name.
[00:38:41]  Exactly.
[00:38:42]  So I think Nero is the beast.
[00:38:44]  But in terms of the man of lawlessness, there are some good commentators and theologians that say that the man of lawlessness in reference in 2 Thessalonians is actually.
[00:38:57]  The high priest at the time of Jesus' trial and crucifixion.
[00:39:02]  And that it's basically an indictment, like a strict, severe indictment and play on words that the man who is supposed to embody the high priest in Israel, the law of God, that Israel and the priestly system by that point was so far derailed from what God intended and so rebellious to the real, the actual law of God and had added so many commandments of men.
[00:39:31]  Traditions of men and overrided the law of God, the very man, the high priest of the priestly sacrificial system in Israel, who should have embodied the law of God, had become so degraded that he was referenced the man of lawlessness.
[00:39:47]  So I think the man of lawlessness is the high priest in Israel.
[00:39:52]  It's a Jewish high priest who was lawless at that time, and modern Jews today are even more so.
[00:39:59]  And so there are many men and women of lawlessness all over the world, not just Jews, but But especially Israel in its rejection of Christ.
[00:40:06]  And then again, the beast, I think, is a reference of Nero.
[00:40:09]  Yeah, and I was just to add to the high priest's example of the man of lawlessness.
[00:40:13]  I didn't even read this, but I'll start with three.
[00:40:16]  For the day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so called God and object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God.

=== Conviction and Courage (09:08) ===

[00:40:29]  Yep, takes his seat in the temple of God.
[00:40:31]  Yep.
[00:40:32]  Any other thoughts?
[00:40:34]  I just really liked what you said on Friday that we thought Trump was the man.
[00:40:37]  And we thought he was the man because we lived in an age that men had convictions.
[00:40:41]  They really did.
[00:40:41]  They were principled men.
[00:40:42]  You would not find them cheating on their wives.
[00:40:44]  You would not find them procuring an abortion.
[00:40:47]  They stood on principle, but they lacked courage.
[00:40:50]  And we loved Trump.
[00:40:51]  And guys, I'll just say for myself, I loved him so much.
[00:40:54]  I voted for him three times.
[00:40:56]  I risked going to jail to be there on January 6th.
[00:40:59]  I've been to Trump rallies.
[00:41:01]  There was a point, it's a little nerdy, that I made in my phone background because he embodied what so many of us lacked at the time, which was courage.
[00:41:07]  He stood up and he stood out and he spoke out and he said, I'm for you.
[00:41:12]  And at that time, it was, I'm for you.
[00:41:14]  The American people, donors, and PACs, they were in his backyard.
[00:41:18]  He was beholden to one group, and it was those voters that loved him and loved what he was saying.
[00:41:24]  But if you have courage and you have courage in spades, and he really does, I mean, that fight, fight, fight moment, let's not forget it.
[00:41:30]  It was just almost about two years ago now, it's getting close to that.
[00:41:34]  Was incredible, inspiring.
[00:41:35]  There's never been a more interesting, like in my lifetime, there's never been a more inspirational moment in politics.
[00:41:41]  But if you have all of that and you lack the conviction, you lack The virtue, we are going to be stuck in the same space.
[00:41:50]  So, we thought Trump was that guy.
[00:41:51]  We thought it was it because he had courage and courage was lacking, but conviction and character, they matter just as much.
[00:41:58]  Virtue, piety.
[00:41:59]  And so, when it comes to throwing our hat into the ring, who is it going to be next?
[00:42:02]  Who is going to be the guy to restore the great American project, to inspire and drum up in us the hope for the future?
[00:42:12]  It's going to have to be both.
[00:42:14]  That's a litmus test.
[00:42:15]  We can't just settle for the courage that he displays because without that, we get self worship.
[00:42:20]  Which is Trump.
[00:42:21]  Yep.
[00:42:22]  So we've had GOP civil rulers in the past that had conviction, principles, but not courage.
[00:42:29]  And then we got Trump, who was a sight for sore eyes on a feckless backdrop.
[00:42:36]  He stood apart as one man who actually had courage, but has proven not really to have convictions.
[00:42:44]  He is, at the end of the day, in terms of his ideology, he has a few convictions on economic policies with tariffs and things like that because he's a business guy.
[00:42:53]  In terms of moral convictions, I mean, he's a 1990s liberal Democrat from New York.
[00:42:58]  That's what he is.
[00:42:59]  That's what he always was.
[00:43:00]  He looked good for a while because you had guys with conviction, but they never got anything done because he didn't have courage.
[00:43:07]  Then you get a guy with courage, but it turns out he doesn't have much conviction.
[00:43:12]  The guy that we need, I'd say, well, the guy that we need is Jesus.
[00:43:16]  Of course, we need Jesus.
[00:43:17]  But if Jesus chooses to tarry for another 100 years, 500 years, 1,000 years, we don't know.
[00:43:24]  No man knows the day or the hour.
[00:43:26]  When Christ is going to return.
[00:43:27]  So, in one sense, we should return or live our lives as though He's going to return any moment.
[00:43:34]  And in the same breath, we should also live our lives as though He may tarry.
[00:43:39]  In other words, we want to build a world in which our children are not persecuted and discriminated against, where they have a hope and a future and all these kinds of things.
[00:43:49]  I mean, there have been entire generations of Christians that have sold their homes and their 401ks and all these things because they thought Jesus was coming back and they left their children destitute.
[00:43:59]  And so we want to live with zeal, knowing that Christ could return at any moment.
[00:44:05]  And yet at the same time, we want to live with wisdom, knowing that he also could tarry.
[00:44:10]  And it could be multiple more generations before he comes.
[00:44:13]  So we know that Jesus is the only true figure who has perfect conviction and perfect courage.
[00:44:20]  But what we're talking about is we're talking about a man who is not the Antichrist.
[00:44:25]  And of course, he's also not Christ himself.
[00:44:28]  He's a man who will be fallible, he will be flawed, he'll be a sinner.
[00:44:32]  But there is such a thing.
[00:44:33]  I refuse to believe that Jesus is the only good man.
[00:44:38]  He's the only perfect man, but all throughout 2,000 years of his life, it's like.
[00:44:44]  Well, even in American history, George Washington, I mean, we've got the prayer at Valley Forge there.
[00:44:47]  It's like, what better embodiment is there in the American ethos than George Washington, a courageous man fighting at the front lines of a battle to win his nation's independence while praying the night before?
[00:44:58]  Right.
[00:44:59]  Humble and courageous, conviction and courage.
[00:45:02]  And so, you know, the reason I'm mentioning this right here at the very end is because I see people every week.
[00:45:07]  You know, and I see them now in the chat.
[00:45:08]  It's like the person that you're describing who has both conviction and courage, that's Jesus.
[00:45:12]  He's the only one.
[00:45:13]  Like, that's just not true, guys.
[00:45:15]  It's not true.
[00:45:16]  King Alfred was a great man.
[00:45:19]  He was a sinner saved by grace, right?
[00:45:21]  He's not the perfect man, but he had conviction and courage.
[00:45:25]  People, human beings, flawed albeit, but saved by grace and who love the Lord Jesus can make a difference, especially when they're appointed to civil authority over a nation.
[00:45:39]  And so, Yes, our ultimate hope is in Christ alone, of course.
[00:45:44]  And we're going to live every day as though he may return at any moment.
[00:45:48]  And at the same time, wisdom demands that we also live with zeal as though Christ may return this afternoon.
[00:45:56]  But we also live with wisdom for the sake of our children and our children's children, knowing that Christ may not return for many generations.
[00:46:05]  And so we hope and pray and work towards there being a flawed human man, but better than Trump.
[00:46:13]  There are people in the world besides Jesus who are better than Trump.
[00:46:18]  You can't have it both ways.
[00:46:19]  So you can't say, well, the person you're talking about, the only person who fits the bill is Jesus.
[00:46:24]  And then also in the same breath saying, Trump is the worst person.
[00:46:27]  If Trump is the worst person, then that means if this is Jesus and Trump is the worst person, then every single person in the world is worse than Jesus, but still better than Trump.
[00:46:36]  So I would like for one of them, right?
[00:46:39]  So this is not ridiculous.
[00:46:41]  We're saying Jesus is our only true hope, our ultimate hope.
[00:46:45]  He may come back tomorrow.
[00:46:46]  So let's live with zeal.
[00:46:48]  But he may also wait for 100 years, and I'm going to have kids who have to live for decades in America until Jesus returns, and I would like for their lives not to be miserable.
[00:47:00]  So let's live with zeal because Christ may return tomorrow, but also wisdom because he may return in 100 years.
[00:47:07]  And wisdom, I think, dictates that we work towards an imperfect man, but still an improvement from what we've had so far.
[00:47:17]  There have been people.
[00:47:18]  Over the course of the church age, the gospel age of the last 2,000 years, who were flawed men, sinners.
[00:47:25]  They were not the Antichrist, and they also weren't Jesus Christ, but they were good men.
[00:47:29]  They had both courage and conviction.
[00:47:32]  We've had George Washington.
[00:47:33]  We had King Alfred.
[00:47:34]  We have had men like this.
[00:47:36]  And I believe that it's possible if we don't just throw in the towel and give up.
[00:47:42]  Part of the reason we're in the problem we are today is because evangelicals surrendered authority, surrendered responsibility, and power and gave it over to.
[00:47:52]  Jews gave it over to atheists, gave it over to, you know, fill in the blank.
[00:47:57]  I think that we should not abdicate our duty, but we should work with humility, with courage, and conviction that we might actually have one day a decent president.
[00:48:08]  It is possible.
[00:48:09]  It may not happen, it's not guaranteed, but it is possible.
[00:48:12]  And because it's possible, and because I'm a father of five children, I'm going to work towards it.
[00:48:17]  All the great men, too, are not locked in the past and history.
[00:48:19]  Like we've used to have great men, but we no longer have them anymore.
[00:48:22]  The president of El Salvador, in just seven years since 2019, when he was first elected, has radically transformed them from one of the most dangerous countries on earth to beautiful, pristine, safe.
[00:48:32]  He has something like a 95% approval rating.
[00:48:36]  And you have to realize this it is going to be a single man at some level that stirs up the hearts of the people to revolution, that stirs them up to desire greater things.
[00:48:45]  And those great men are not just locked away in the past that we used to have them, they're here now.
[00:48:50]  And the great man that might come to the United States and ascend to presidency or serve in office.
[00:48:54]  He may be alive right now.
[00:48:56]  He's learning, training, being prepared.
[00:48:59]  He exists.
[00:49:00]  God has always sent men to rescue the people as they languish in their sin, languish often too in the consequences that they earned for themselves.
[00:49:08]  But if the people humble themselves, call upon the Lord and say, We're wrong.
[00:49:12]  We repent.
[00:49:13]  God has been merciful over and over and over again, not just in the Bible, in the church age.
[00:49:19]  I mean, Islam had conquered 90% of Spain.
[00:49:22]  It took hundreds of years, but all of Spain was reconquered for Christendom.
[00:49:27]  It can be done, the odds are worse.
[00:49:29]  Have been worse in the past.
[00:49:30]  The great men have come when things have been all the more dire.
[00:49:34]  And we have the hope, the optimism to say, and we think it could happen here.

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