NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - The GOP Civil War Over Israel Is Here w/James Fishback
Aired: 2026-04-01
Duration: 55:07


=== Why Judeo Christian Fails (10:37) ===

[00:00:00]  What do you think about that?
[00:00:01]  That just even the term Judeo Christian?
[00:00:03]  Well, I don't, it doesn't make any sense actually.
[00:00:05]  Just, it doesn't, it's just ahistorical.
[00:00:09]  You know, someone says that, by the way, the term first emerged in the mid 20th century.
[00:00:13]  If this was a term that was used in the 1790s, perhaps we could entertain it.
[00:00:18]  But none of our founding fathers were Jew.
[00:00:19]  I mean, it's just, it's just what it is.
[00:00:20]  And it's like, why is it that just telling the truth that none of our, I had this, I was doing a fundraiser in Palm Beach at the Ritz Carlton.
[00:00:30]  And one of the residents had us.
[00:00:33]  And there were about a dozen geriatric patients in the lobby who were protesting me.
[00:00:39]  And they said, why do you say, why are you against the term Judeo-Christian?
[00:00:42]  I said, because none of our founding fathers were Jewish.
[00:00:45]  How dare you?
[00:00:46]  How dare I what?
[00:00:47]  I'm telling you the truth.
[00:00:48]  A 30-year-old CEO of an investment firm, Fishback says he would build on DeSantis' legacy.
[00:00:56]  I'm on the phone and I say I would never disavow patriotic Americans.
[00:01:02]  It is absolutely vital.
[00:01:03]  That James Fishback wins.
[00:01:12]  James Fishback, welcome back.
[00:01:15]  This episode, you know, you kind of go back and forth.
[00:01:19]  It's like we're going to talk about the bears, the bulls, the Jews.
[00:01:25]  Now, you and I don't have the same position.
[00:01:27]  So I'm expecting that you will push back on some of this stuff and it'll give me an opportunity to clarify some of my position.
[00:01:35]  But both of us agree in the sense that America should be a free speech nation, right?
[00:01:41]  Yes.
[00:01:41]  Yes.
[00:01:42]  And both of us agree that America's current relationship with Israel is not great.
[00:01:48]  It's horrendous.
[00:01:49]  It's horrendous.
[00:01:50]  So you don't have to make something about an entire ethnic people.
[00:01:56]  It doesn't have to be about the Jews.
[00:01:57]  I say some of that tongue in cheek, although there are some things that I might bring up in this episode, and you're free to disagree.
[00:02:02]  You're a free person.
[00:02:03]  And I know that you will.
[00:02:05]  But let's start with the nation state of Israel and America's ties and our relationship with our greatest ally.
[00:02:14]  Why do you see this, as I do, in many of the same ways, as problematic?
[00:02:20]  Well, perhaps it's problematic because while I think Ron DeSantis has been a great governor, I deeply disagree with the decision to go sign a hate speech bill against anti Semitism, period.
[00:02:32]  But to do it in Israel felt like a real affront to our sovereignty of our country.
[00:02:38]  Look, Israel has a right to defend itself against murderous Islamic terrorists.
[00:02:42]  No one's debating that.
[00:02:44]  The bigger debate is whether we should continue to fund a country that consistently undermines our interests, pushes laws in our country that are antithetical to what our founders set in motion, and then ultimately punishes our own citizens.
[00:03:03]  There was a 16 year old boy from Melbourne, Florida, not too far from where I grew up.
[00:03:08]  Down in Broward.
[00:03:10]  He visited family in the West Bank.
[00:03:11]  He's an American citizen born in the United States, grew up in Florida.
[00:03:17]  He went to the West Bank last February to visit family.
[00:03:20]  While he was there, he was accused of throwing a rock at an IDF armored vehicle.
[00:03:25]  Throwing a rock at an armored vehicle hurt no one.
[00:03:29]  He was detained in Israeli military prison for eight months.
[00:03:33]  As a 16 year old, he lost 27 pounds and contracted scabies.
[00:03:39]  Why do we let our greatest ally treat Least of all, an American citizen like that.
[00:03:47]  And Randy Fine, of all people, literally called me.
[00:03:49]  I don't know how he has my number, but he called me and berated me for 42 minutes on the phone about this and other things, like me running against Byron Donalds for governor, because he said it was anti Semitic for me to speak out against a Muslim boy for being detained by the Israeli government.
[00:04:04]  I don't care what you are.
[00:04:06]  If you're an American citizen, you have no business being detained by the Israeli government or any government, any foreign government.
[00:04:14]  I would have said the same thing if it was Qatar or if it was China or if it was Russia or it was Ukraine.
[00:04:19]  To be detained by a foreign government, As a teenager with no due process, no trial, no hearing for eight months is disgraceful.
[00:04:30]  And so, no, I'm not holding Israel to a double standard.
[00:04:33]  I'm holding them to the same standard that we have in the United States.
[00:04:36]  A 16 year old boy who threw a rock at an armored truck in the US would likely be punished, would likely have a deal, would likely go to a juvenile detention facility, but there would be a trial, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:04:48]  They would not be thrown into a prison.
[00:04:51]  Where they're given no daylight, where they're contracting scabies, they lose 27 pounds.
[00:04:56]  And it wasn't until Republicans and Democrats no, not Republicans nor Democrats that's kind of the line we go to where no one really stood up.
[00:05:05]  I was privileged to meet with the family of Muhammad Ibrahim, this young man from Florida, and be really the only Republican in my state who said, no, no foreign country can detain American citizens, least of all our teenagers, without any semblance of due process.
[00:05:24]  That is wrong.
[00:05:25]  And yet, What did the Randy Fines, what did the Apex of the world do?
[00:05:29]  They criticized us for being anti Semitic.
[00:05:33]  Anti Semitism, that label, has become like racism.
[00:05:37]  It means absolutely nothing.
[00:05:41]  Is there hatred of Jews in society?
[00:05:44]  Of course there is.
[00:05:45]  It is wrong.
[00:05:46]  It is reprehensible, just as hatred of Muslims is, and especially hatred of Christians, which I view as the most systemic, systematic, virulent, and ubiquitous form of religious hatred in our country.
[00:05:57]  We have to call it all out.
[00:05:58]  We have to condemn all.
[00:05:59]  All of it.
[00:06:00]  But if we're going to talk about discriminating and holding antipathy for a religion, none other than Christians actually face the most persecuted form of discrimination in America today.
[00:06:13]  Yeah, that's absolutely true.
[00:06:15]  If there's any discrimination from a racial standpoint that's actually systematic and on the books, it is racism towards whites.
[00:06:24]  If there's any religious hatred that's actually being carved out with provisions systematically, it is a hatred towards.
[00:06:32]  Christianity.
[00:06:33]  That said, and we'll come back to the topic at hand, speaking of Israel.
[00:06:36]  That said, I do think without harboring some kind of wide swath, universal, unjustifiable hatred towards an ethnic people as a whole or towards, you know, X, Y, and Z, fill in the blank, I do think that there is a way without harboring hatred to still give special preference, deference, esteem, preeminence.
[00:07:03]  This is where I struggle with a lot of GOP guys.
[00:07:07]  And you and I may just not see eye to eye on this particular topic, and that's okay.
[00:07:13]  But I don't think that it's equal.
[00:07:16]  I don't think it's, look, there should be, if you're Muslim or if you're Christian or if you're, you know, if it's Judaism or Hinduism or Buddhism or, you know, fill in the blank that, you know, they all should receive certain provisions and this.
[00:07:32]  No, I. Christianity should be preeminent because America is a Christian nation.
[00:07:40]  It's our heritage, it's our history.
[00:07:41]  So, let me give you a tangible example so you actually know what I'm talking about.
[00:07:46]  I would say that Islamic calls to prayer, prayer sirens should be banned.
[00:07:53]  Church bells should be legal.
[00:07:56]  Well, that's not fair, correct?
[00:08:00]  It's not supposed to be fair, right?
[00:08:02]  It's not, go to any Muslim nation.
[00:08:06]  They're not fair.
[00:08:07]  They're able to unapologetically simply say, but we're a Muslim nation.
[00:08:13]  We are a Christian nation.
[00:08:14]  Now, I'm not talking about, like, if you ever saw Tom Cruise's Minority Report, where you're trying, You know, you're sneaking into people's homes to preemptively, you know, you have your suspicion that so and so is going to be, you know, do.
[00:08:24]  I'm not talking about the Muslim police.
[00:08:26]  I'm not talking about the Jewish police.
[00:08:28]  I'm not talking about any of those things.
[00:08:29]  I'm talking about public, borderline intrusive expressions of religious worship.
[00:08:39]  I think that it's perfectly justifiable on the basis of our founding and the basis of our heritage to say certain religious.
[00:08:49]  Public symbol.
[00:08:50]  For instance, here's another example.
[00:08:53]  From the White House, Happy Easter.
[00:08:55]  Good.
[00:08:56]  Happy Diwali.
[00:08:57]  Bad.
[00:08:59]  Why?
[00:09:01]  Because we're a Christian nation.
[00:09:02]  Well, my view in all of this is as a Christian, I would not partake in any other religious tradition or festivity.
[00:09:16]  I just wouldn't.
[00:09:18]  And so that would mean I'm not wishing anybody a happy Diwali.
[00:09:23]  Not because I disrespect Diwali, not because I hold contempt for the people, not at all.
[00:09:28]  It's because as a Christian, I celebrate Christmas and Easter.
[00:09:35]  Those are our holy days in our faith.
[00:09:38]  And it shouldn't be controversial.
[00:09:40]  It's sure as heck not anti Semitic to say that I don't plan to have a menorah in the governor's mansion if I'm elected on August 18th.
[00:09:50]  In 1989, there was a county in Pennsylvania that committed the mortal sin of putting up a nativity scene.
[00:09:57]  without a menorah right next to it.
[00:09:59]  And so the ACLU sued Allegheny County and went to the Supreme Court.
[00:10:03]  And the Supreme Court, in its infinite wisdom, found that nativity scenes without being immediately accompanied by other religious symbols from other faiths were unconstitutional.
[00:10:16]  The Supreme Court has erred before.
[00:10:17]  It's crazy.
[00:10:18]  And all we need now is a governor who will step up and put a nativity scene at a courthouse or a state building, let the ACLU sue us.
[00:10:27]  And I'm confident that today's Supreme Court, whether it's 5-4 or 6-3, will depend on how she's feeling that day, but that's okay.
[00:10:33]  Will win.
[00:10:34]  We have to be unapologetic about our Christian faith.

=== Nativity Scenes and Courts (11:46) ===

[00:10:37]  Allow me just to push back on the Muslim siren call, call to prayer, and the church bells.
[00:10:43]  They're not exactly directly comparable.
[00:10:45]  No, they're not.
[00:10:45]  They're not.
[00:10:46]  One's intrusive, one is pleasant.
[00:10:49]  Well, one is objectively different, right?
[00:10:53]  So I'll give you an example.
[00:10:54]  Let's just do an apple, actual apples to oranges.
[00:10:57]  A church has an Apostles' Creed reading on a giant speakerphone twice a day, five times a day.
[00:11:06]  And there's a That has a Muslim call to prayer five times a day.
[00:11:11]  That's a direct comparison, right?
[00:11:14]  Objectively, church bells have a melody to them.
[00:11:18]  They are pleasant to the ears.
[00:11:20]  An Islamic call to prayer, I'm not saying is unpleasant, but it is not of the same frequency, quite literally.
[00:11:28]  It is not of the same intonation as musical bells, right?
[00:11:34]  I think we can do this in a way that's actually principled and respect the fact that.
[00:11:41]  Look, as Christians, what we want more than anything is we want to bring people to Christ.
[00:11:46]  I don't think we bring people to Christ by deliberately ostracizing or othering our friends of other faiths.
[00:11:55]  We want to bring them over.
[00:11:58]  We want to bring them over to our faith.
[00:12:00]  I don't think that happens through, and it's not that it's ridiculed, but I think it could be perceived that way.
[00:12:05]  I want nothing more than to bring people over.
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[00:13:21]  I hear you, and I appreciate your position.
[00:13:25]  For me, I think of the kings in Israel under the old covenant, and there was something substantial and significant and good and right about saying, no, we're not going to carve out space to the Asherah poles or the Baals.
[00:13:45]  We're going to say, you can't erect high places.
[00:13:49]  To foreign gods.
[00:13:51]  I believe in a very real, tangible sense that America is currently underneath God's judgment.
[00:13:57]  You know, we say God bless America, but America has long neglected to bless God.
[00:14:04]  We are not the Christian people that we once were.
[00:14:08]  We don't have fidelity to Christ as we once did.
[00:14:12]  And freedom of religion, I understand that many people are, I'll say it as politely as I can, under the impression.
[00:14:22]  That this is a founding principle, although I struggle to see how the founding fathers could have even possibly conceived of that provision being used as a way that it is today.
[00:14:35]  I don't think the founding fathers could have even conceived of millions and millions of other people with other religions here in America.
[00:14:45]  So I understand the instinct of saying, well, this is uniquely American and it's who we are.
[00:14:52]  But at the same time, I.
[00:14:55]  I look at the scripture and there are clear judgments for idolatry.
[00:15:01]  And there actually is such a thing as national judgment.
[00:15:05]  Certainly, we each, in the eternal sense, the ultimate judgment, the final judgment, we stand before God as individuals.
[00:15:12]  We won't be able to point to our nation or to our parents or to some group identity to somehow either indict ourselves or exonerate ourselves.
[00:15:21]  It'll be you and Christ alone.
[00:15:23]  Did you trust in him?
[00:15:24]  Did you love him?
[00:15:25]  Did you serve him?
[00:15:27]  Those would be the questions.
[00:15:28]  And God's final judgment is on an individual basis.
[00:15:31]  But there is in biblical terms, in this temporal realm, something to be said for corporate judgments, even national judgments.
[00:15:38]  And when I look at the Bible and I think about what are the particular sins that nations found themselves under God's judgment for, one of them was idolatry.
[00:15:52]  And I don't think that you have to be inhumane, I don't think that you need to be cruel.
[00:15:56]  I'm not saying that people need to be disrespected or that they need to be undignified.
[00:16:05]  But I do think that there is, it's a dangerous line that we're walking of exercising hospitality, trying to catch more flies with vinegar, doing the work of an evangelist, being loving to our neighbors and trying to win them over, compel them with the love of Christ.
[00:16:25]  All those things are good and right.
[00:16:28]  But it's such a fine line between doing the work of an evangelist who wins people over to the sweetness of the gospel.
[00:16:36]  And yet, at the same time, on the other side of the road, there's another ditch of tolerating and even exemplifying and esteeming idolatry.
[00:16:47]  And I look at this and I think, what would God have us do as a nation?
[00:16:55]  What is the right course of action?
[00:16:58]  And I've tried, because I don't think the civil magistrate, just for the record, I'm a Christian nationalist.
[00:17:04]  I don't believe in forced conversions.
[00:17:05]  I don't believe, because God alone converts the heart.
[00:17:08]  This is, you know, it's not just conversion.
[00:17:10]  Coerced outward manifestations.
[00:17:11]  It has to be a true work of the Holy Spirit.
[00:17:13]  And so I'm not saying that the state should ever be involved in such matters.
[00:17:17]  But there is a difference between sin, and the state doesn't actually punish sin.
[00:17:22]  It punishes crimes.
[00:17:24]  Not all crimes are sin when the state is acting unjustly and labeling something as a crime that's not actually immoral.
[00:17:31]  But then, certainly in the other direction, not all sins are crime.
[00:17:36]  So, for instance, the 10th commandment, Thou shalt not covet.
[00:17:39]  I don't want the state to form the coveting police.
[00:17:43]  I don't want thought crimes, right?
[00:17:46]  I don't want that.
[00:17:47]  I don't think that that's biblical.
[00:17:49]  So there are certain sins, like coveting, that in the final judgment, God will hold each individual accountable.
[00:17:55]  In a way that the civil magistrate can't.
[00:17:57]  Right.
[00:17:57]  In a way that can't and also shouldn't.
[00:18:01]  It would actually be unjust and immoral.
[00:18:04]  But one of the differentiating factors, I think, between these categories of sins and crimes is the publicity.
[00:18:13]  The public nature, right?
[00:18:15]  So, something like drunkenness, for instance, if someone gets drunk in their home privately, I believe as a Christian minister that that's a sin.
[00:18:26]  If somebody is publicly intoxicated and they're shouting curse words, then they actually can be penalized.
[00:18:38]  It breaches that boundary from sin to crime.
[00:18:43]  And when I think about the worship of false gods, I just, it's hard for me, James, to get around it.
[00:18:49]  Like, how can I ask God to bless our nation while also not just tolerating, but actually as a nation, priding ourselves on how accommodating we are to public forms of idolatry?
[00:19:07]  Like, what would you, I know that's a difficult thing.
[00:19:10]  You're running to be a politician, a state governor.
[00:19:12]  I'm putting you in a hard place right now, but you're also a Christian.
[00:19:17]  How do you, I'm just curious, how do you thread that needle?
[00:19:20]  Well, I think it's all.
[00:19:21]  It's all downstream of immigration, actually.
[00:19:24]  Yes.
[00:19:24]  Right.
[00:19:24]  So this didn't just come about.
[00:19:26]  It didn't spawn in the middle of Florida.
[00:19:29]  Yeah.
[00:19:29]  It's not a bunch of heritage Americans who are just basically won over to Islam, to Hinduism, or whatever the case is.
[00:19:35]  This is all a consequence of migration.
[00:19:38]  So let's get to, not to sound trite, but let's get to the root cause.
[00:19:41]  If the root cause is importing all these people from the Indian subcontinent, and then we're frustrated by everything that comes as a result of that, why try to regulate all of the downstream derivatives?
[00:19:53]  And why not just actually get to the source of it, which would be unfettered migration from the third world?
[00:20:01]  Two things.
[00:20:04]  Blasphemy laws were actually upheld in the early days of the country in the first 50, 60 years as consistent with the First Amendment.
[00:20:13]  There's just fascinating readings at the federal and appellate level, different decisions that came about because they recognized at the time that the First Amendment protected political speech.
[00:20:23]  It didn't necessarily protect blasphemous speech against our Lord.
[00:20:26]  It's a fascinating argument.
[00:20:28]  There are good arguments on both sides of it, actually, because what is political speech and where does it become religious blasphemy?
[00:20:35]  And that becomes difficult.
[00:20:37]  But If we're just going to be straight about this, the First Amendment, as currently interpreted by every single justice on the Supreme Court, would side against you with your view.
[00:20:50]  Yeah, I know.
[00:20:51]  Right?
[00:20:51]  Where they would not side against you, in fact, where six out of three would side with you, six out of the six to three would side with you, is allowing us to restrict the migration that imports the very things that you feel are anathema to the United States of America and our Christian founding.
[00:21:11]  You know, Why we can sit here and there's all of this in the house.
[00:21:16]  Let's get to the root cause of how it got here.
[00:21:19]  And by the way, if we're serious about evangelization, about evangelism, let's send missionaries as the Catholic Church has done now, has a presence in every single country in the world.
[00:21:32]  Let's have missionaries evangelize in these different parts of the world.
[00:21:36]  We don't need to import the third world to come here and then evangelize.
[00:21:41]  And so it is a fascinating debate.
[00:21:43]  I think the bigger argument, though, is.
[00:21:48]  If we are serious about reasserting our Christian identity, we have to recognize that large parts of the Republican Party are in direct contradiction of that.
[00:22:00]  Yes.
[00:22:00]  Direct contradiction.
[00:22:01]  We talked earlier in our conversation about divorce, and we talked about my opponent very clearly now, unequivocally, living in an open state of adultery with his now second wife, but against his first wife.
[00:22:16]  And I think the state has a moral responsibility to.
[00:22:20]  Deter that behavior, to punish that behavior, to discourage that behavior.

=== Disconnecting Actions from Consequences (03:14) ===

[00:22:24]  And the best way to do that is if you are a man and you are caught cheating, if you're a woman and you're caught cheating and you're married, end of story, you are forced to give up everything.
[00:22:34]  You have that happen about half a dozen times and it'll get national, perhaps even international news coverage.
[00:22:40]  One, you're going to see cheating and adultery end as we know it, as we know it.
[00:22:49]  But also, you're going to see the covenant that is marriage.
[00:22:55]  People really start to think that it's not a transaction.
[00:22:59]  It's actually a covenant.
[00:23:02]  And the Lord is party to that covenant.
[00:23:05]  And that's something that should be more of the conversation in politics that this is not a covenant between a man and a woman.
[00:23:11]  It's a covenant between a man, a woman, and the Lord.
[00:23:15]  I also think that if we want to get back to a nation that venerates the sanctity of marriage, we have to be willing to dispossess in their entirety any man or woman caught in a state of adultery, full stop, all financial assets, home, cash, and strip them of their custody.
[00:23:37]  Make examples out of them.
[00:23:39]  What you'll see, the cheating will stop, the adultery will stop.
[00:23:43]  Divorce will be really rethought entirely, but also people will enter marriage knowing full well what the consequences of their actions are.
[00:23:54]  And that's what I think society, American politics, if you could synthesize it to just a few issues, one of those issues is that our actions are so disconnected from the consequences, right?
[00:24:08]  You kill someone in 1992, you'll be put to death in 2026.
[00:24:13]  So disconnected.
[00:24:15]  You send.
[00:24:16]  men to die overseas.
[00:24:18]  They'll never be the men of a senator, never be the daughters of a congressman.
[00:24:23]  They'll die overseas.
[00:24:24]  There's total disconnection.
[00:24:26]  There's no skin in the game.
[00:24:29]  And that is a real problem.
[00:24:30]  That's why we keep getting these disastrous consequences.
[00:24:33]  If Congress, if you said, all right, we're going to send some people to war.
[00:24:38]  And if it was anyone under the age of 40 who was a son or daughter of a congressman was going to get drafted as well, there'd be very few authorizations to send people to war.
[00:24:49]  We are so disconnected as a society, as a political operation, from the consequences of our actions.
[00:24:56]  And what I think I bring to the governor's mansion is a business background where I was responsible for my actions.
[00:25:07]  If my company did well, I got paid more.
[00:25:09]  If it did poorly, I got paid nothing.
[00:25:11]  I had to hire people, I had to let people go.
[00:25:14]  I had to give up my own pay for six months at one point to make sure that my employees were taken care of.
[00:25:19]  No member of Congress has ever had to deal with that.
[00:25:21]  In fact, when we shut down government, when the Republicans and Democrats shut down government, our own service members don't get paid, but members of Congress still get their full pay.
[00:25:32]  They are immune to any consequences for their disastrous actions.
[00:25:37]  Yep, well said.

=== Dual Allegiance to Israel (05:58) ===

[00:25:38]  So going back for a moment with religion, what do you think?
[00:25:46]  All right, so taking aside some of the things that you and I, we just.
[00:25:51]  We would see different paths, different solutions.
[00:25:56]  We would just have some disagreements.
[00:25:57]  But when I think of Judaism specifically, I don't really hear anybody saying, you know, Islamic Christian, you know, or Hindu Christian, you know, but we do hear Judeo Christian.
[00:26:18]  Would you at least admit on the religious question that some degree of, if we talk about, In a spirit of fairness, which I would push back to that as I already have.
[00:26:30]  But even if we assume that for a moment, for the sake of argument, would you agree that it seems like there is more than just fairness or equality, but a clear public and political preference given to Judaism above any other religion, except for maybe Christianity in these United States?
[00:26:54]  Probably, unequivocally.
[00:26:56]  What do you think about that?
[00:26:57]  Just even the term Judeo Christian?
[00:27:00]  Well, it doesn't make any sense, actually.
[00:27:03]  It's just ahistorical.
[00:27:06]  Someone says that, by the way, the term first emerged in the mid 20th century.
[00:27:10]  If this was a term that was used in the 1790s, perhaps we could entertain it.
[00:27:14]  But none of our founding fathers were Jewish.
[00:27:16]  I mean, it's just what it is.
[00:27:17]  And it's like, why is it that just telling the truth that none of our, I had this, I was doing a fundraiser in Palm Beach at the Ritz-Carlton, and one of the residents had us.
[00:27:29]  And there were about a dozen geriatric patients in the lobby who were protesting me.
[00:27:35]  And they said, why do you say, why are you against the term Judeo-Christian?
[00:27:39]  I said, because none of our founding fathers were Jewish.
[00:27:41]  How dare you?
[00:27:43]  How dare I what?
[00:27:43]  I'm telling you the truth.
[00:27:45]  Right.
[00:27:46]  The founding fathers of Saudi Arabia were Muslim.
[00:27:51]  The founding fathers of this country were Christian.
[00:27:54]  It is just the truth.
[00:27:56]  It's not hateful.
[00:27:56]  It's not antipathy.
[00:27:58]  It's just the truth.
[00:28:00]  And so, why is everything, why is the knee jerk reaction to everything anti Semitism, anti Semitism, anti Semitism?
[00:28:09]  The next time somebody says this is a Judeo Christian country, Ask them, how is it a Judeo Christian country?
[00:28:19]  And this is not to slander Jews.
[00:28:22]  This is just very simply historical observation.
[00:28:25]  What exactly makes America a Judeo Christian country?
[00:28:30]  What?
[00:28:31]  There's actually more Muslims than Jews in the country.
[00:28:34]  There's more Muslims than Jews in the country right off the bat.
[00:28:38]  It's not an Islamo Christian country, although, say what you want about Islam, Islam holds.
[00:28:44]  Our Lord in higher regard than Judaism does.
[00:28:46]  Yeah, every major world religion does.
[00:28:50]  So, but it's fascinating because we've gotten to a point in the political discourse where simply stating facts is, and that sounds trite, but it's especially true on this point.
[00:29:01]  Our founding fathers weren't Jewish.
[00:29:03]  Oh my gosh, do you hate Jews?
[00:29:04]  No, no, I'm just telling you our founding fathers weren't Jewish.
[00:29:06]  That's all I'm saying.
[00:29:08]  And, you know, it's funny because I've had a lot of Jewish folks in Florida reach out to me and say, you know, we're supporting you because our identity.
[00:29:17]  Is not tied to Israel.
[00:29:19]  I know a lot of Jews who feel that their identity is tied to Israel, who hold dual citizenship, or at the very least hold a dual allegiance.
[00:29:26]  I don't know why that would be anti Semitic to say that they hold a dual allegiance.
[00:29:30]  We're taught in Matthew chapter 6 that we can only serve one master.
[00:29:34]  My view is very simple.
[00:29:36]  If you are a hyphenated American, as President Roosevelt, Teddy, said, you have no place in this country.
[00:29:44]  No place.
[00:29:44]  Zero.
[00:29:45]  No place.
[00:29:47]  Think about our Pledge of Allegiance.
[00:29:48]  I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.
[00:29:51]  Right?
[00:29:51]  When you are pledging allegiance to one nation, one nation, singular, one nation under God, you're pledging allegiance to this nation.
[00:30:05]  If you were worried, you know, my mom grew up in Colombia.
[00:30:09]  I visited Colombia, the country I've visited most outside of the U.S.
[00:30:13]  I have no allegiance to the Colombian political situation.
[00:30:18]  My allegiance is to the United States of America.
[00:30:20]  Doesn't mean I can't care for my Colombian family or Heritage or food and cuisine, and sometimes root for their team in the World Cup if the US team gets kicked out in the early innings, of course.
[00:30:30]  But if your sole singular, unwavering conviction is not to the United States of America, get out of our country.
[00:30:39]  And if that's to Israel, get out.
[00:30:41]  If that's to Qatar, get out.
[00:30:42]  If that's to Saudi Arabia, get out.
[00:30:43]  But it does seem, though, that especially in the upper echelons of power, that that allegiance is to Israel.
[00:30:52]  I mean, it was President Trump himself.
[00:30:55]  Who recognized Mary Madelson at the Knesset last year, where he said, perhaps not recognizing the irony, that Miriam, you care about Israel more than the United States.
[00:31:06]  His words to Mary Madelson while they were sitting in the Knesset.
[00:31:11]  Does anyone doubt whether Mary Madelson cares more about Israel than the United States?
[00:31:15]  Right.
[00:31:16]  Right.
[00:31:17]  So this is part of a bigger debate.
[00:31:21]  But what I will say is the term Judeo Christian, and I mean no disrespect, it is utterly ahistorical.
[00:31:33]  It spits in the face of our founding.

=== Anti-Semitism Laws in Florida (15:06) ===

[00:31:37]  It's just, it doesn't line up with any of the facts.
[00:31:40]  And it's like, well, why?
[00:31:41]  And I think, you know, maybe you tell yourself, why not just tell this lie?
[00:31:46]  We don't tell lies in this country.
[00:31:48]  We don't.
[00:31:50]  You know, we don't sit here and say, well, because of XYZ, because of our relationship with Israel, which is not all that great.
[00:31:57]  I mean, again, they're our greatest ally.
[00:32:00]  Nonsense, actually.
[00:32:02]  Nonsense.
[00:32:05]  But at what point do we say, we're not going to tell lies anymore?
[00:32:09]  We're not.
[00:32:10]  Yes, if Israel gets bombed tomorrow by Hamas, they have a right to fight back.
[00:32:14]  Of course, any country has a right to defend itself, to defend its own people.
[00:32:17]  But what I'm seeing in Gaza, that's not self defense.
[00:32:20]  Yeah.
[00:32:20]  Right.
[00:32:21]  And I'm going to hold, and they say, well, look at the blitzkrieg and hold Israel to World War II casually figures.
[00:32:26]  How about this?
[00:32:26]  Let's hold Israel to Israel's standards.
[00:32:30]  When Israel conducts a military operation in Tehran, they can target the exact apartment unit on the 15th floor and nail it without affecting the floor above or the floor below.
[00:32:40]  When they target Hamas, In Doha, in Qatar, they can target the exact floor with very limited, if any, collateral damage.
[00:32:51]  Yet, why does Gaza look like a parking lot?
[00:32:54]  Why?
[00:32:55]  And it's like, well, and the staunch Israel defenders will say, well, look at the Israel casualty ratio compared to World War II, compared to Vietnam.
[00:33:06]  No, no, no.
[00:33:06]  What are we talking about?
[00:33:07]  50, 60 years ago.
[00:33:08]  Let's compare them to Israel in the present day.
[00:33:12]  The same IDF that carries out attacks in Tehran.
[00:33:18]  against the mullahs in Qatar, against Hamas there.
[00:33:23]  Look at how they minimize collateral damage there.
[00:33:26]  And it's actually quite interesting that, you know, the same Israel apologists, they'll say, well, they're not the civilian damage.
[00:33:40]  It's all hyped up fake numbers from Hamas.
[00:33:43]  And then five seconds later, they'll tell you that everybody in Gaza hates Israel and wants to kill every single Jew in the world, right?
[00:33:49]  So they're also rationalizing. the civilian deaths.
[00:33:53]  They're rationalizing the civilian deaths.
[00:33:55]  Now, if you look at some of that video after October 7th in Gaza, there clearly is some hatred of Israelis and hatred of Jews amongst parts of the population in Gaza.
[00:34:10]  That's undeniable by some of that video.
[00:34:11]  I mean, they were jubilant.
[00:34:13]  It also begs the case that a four-year-old does not have a political position on Israel.
[00:34:18]  A five-year-old does not have a political position on Israel.
[00:34:20]  And when Randy Fine comes out and says, starve away, With respect to Gaza, that is not American of him.
[00:34:28]  That is not Christian of him.
[00:34:29]  This is a Christian country.
[00:34:30]  We should not tolerate any of our elected officials talking about any innocent life anywhere in the world like that.
[00:34:37]  Yeah.
[00:34:38]  Yes.
[00:34:39]  What power would you actually have in tangible categories as governor of Florida as it regards Israel?
[00:34:51]  Is there anything that you would be able to do in order to save taxpayer money or what kind of authority would you have?
[00:35:00]  Really, three things.
[00:35:01]  The first of which is the most bizarre, which is as we sit here today, Tallahassee, our state capital, is lending $385 million to the Israeli government by virtue of buying Israeli government bonds on the open market.
[00:35:17]  We are lending money from our pension fund to the IDF.
[00:35:23]  They could buy FART coin and it might have a better return.
[00:35:26]  They could buy treasuries and they have a much better risk adjusted return.
[00:35:29]  Let's zoom out for a moment.
[00:35:30]  Let's not make it about Israel.
[00:35:31]  Let's zoom out for a second.
[00:35:33]  Our money should not be lent to any foreign country.
[00:35:36]  Period.
[00:35:37]  Can we agree on that?
[00:35:38]  Because I think everybody, whether your position on Israel is this or that, anyone can agree on first principle that our money should not be lent to any foreign government.
[00:35:48]  Period.
[00:35:49]  Israel, Turkey, Sweden, Australia, doesn't matter.
[00:35:53]  So what I would do is I would fully divest.
[00:35:56]  When you say divest, it's not some bilateral agreement that was negotiated with Netanyahu.
[00:36:01]  We literally own.
[00:36:03]  A third of a billion dollars of Israeli bonds.
[00:36:05]  We have to sell them on the open market.
[00:36:07]  I'll do it myself.
[00:36:08]  I was a sovereign bond trader at a hedge fund for years.
[00:36:10]  I'll log on to the Bloomberg terminal myself and sell them.
[00:36:12]  That's fine.
[00:36:14]  Sends a very powerful signal, by the way, that we're not going to be investing in foreign countries, least of all that foreign country.
[00:36:20]  The second thing I'd do is I'd repeal and refuse to enforce the anti-Semitism law in Florida.
[00:36:27]  Now, look, Jew hatred is wrong.
[00:36:31]  Muslim hatred is wrong.
[00:36:32]  Christian hatred is wrong.
[00:36:34]  All forms of religious hatred.
[00:36:36]  Are wrong.
[00:36:37]  But as anti Semitism is defined today in Florida State Statute 10105, you can actually be punished for criticizing the Israeli state in the name of stopping anti Semitism.
[00:36:51]  Yeah, and you would also be punished, from my understanding, even if they chose to press charges for quoting scripture verbatim.
[00:37:01]  You mean Revelation?
[00:37:02]  Well, I think of not the synagogue of Satan.
[00:37:04]  Not the synagogue of Satan.
[00:37:06]  That one probably too, but.
[00:37:08]  Um, first Thessalonians, it talks about that they killed the prophets and the apostles and the Lord Jesus Christ and have become opponents of all mankind.
[00:37:21]  Speaking of the Jews in a particular region at that time, this is Saint Paul writing.
[00:37:26]  Um, so he's literally, I mean, the text is the Jews at that time have killed the prophets and the apostles and the Lord Jesus Christ and have now become enemies, some translations say, or opponents of all mankind.
[00:37:41]  If I said that and I'm in Florida, I could be street preaching, public air preaching, and be preaching a sermon from 1 Thessalonians.
[00:37:56]  And that's literally my text.
[00:37:58]  And just reading that, and my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, but under the current laws, I could be penalized.
[00:38:05]  You could be.
[00:38:06]  For quoting scripture.
[00:38:07]  Correct.
[00:38:08]  I don't understand.
[00:38:09]  Ron DeSantis has been great in so many ways.
[00:38:11]  I don't want to be disrespectful to him.
[00:38:14]  He's set kind of the gold standard for governors in the United States.
[00:38:17]  I mean, he was great on COVID.
[00:38:18]  He was great on a host of issues.
[00:38:22]  At the same time, correct me if I'm wrong, but he's Catholic, right?
[00:38:26]  Yeah.
[00:38:27]  Why is he passing legislation that goes against the quoting of the Bible?
[00:38:36]  I wish I knew the answer to that.
[00:38:38]  What I do know is that the governor is a good man, and I'm not going to judge him by his mistakes.
[00:38:43]  I'll judge him by his successes.
[00:38:46]  The truth is that the political situation in Florida is bizarre.
[00:38:50]  Republicans and Democrats universally are on the same page about the anti-Semitism law.
[00:38:58]  I'm not enforcing any law that violates the Constitution.
[00:39:01]  That law plainly, simply violates the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.
[00:39:06]  It's not even close.
[00:39:07]  And this is playing out in real time, Joel.
[00:39:09]  Last month, a woman was confronted by armed police at her home in Miami Beach.
[00:39:18]  And they showed her on the whole thing's on video a Facebook post where she was criticizing the mayor of Miami Beach for being pro Israel.
[00:39:27]  The police banged on her door to confront her over a so called anti Semitic Facebook post.
[00:39:36]  This is not a theory.
[00:39:38]  This is not, well, you're just concerned.
[00:39:41]  This is not actually how it's playing out.
[00:39:43]  This is exactly how it's playing out on the ground.
[00:39:47]  That's unacceptable.
[00:39:48]  You know, just zoom out for a sec historical observation time.
[00:39:51]  If our founding fathers knew of a man who sent armed police to confront a woman for criticizing the government, They would have executed him publicly.
[00:40:03]  I'm not calling for a public execution, the mayor of Miami Beach.
[00:40:07]  I'm merely observing the historical record of this country that we recognized that men who did crimes like that needed to be tarred and feathered.
[00:40:18]  There's no room for anyone in this country who would try to intimidate someone over criticizing this government or that government or any foreign government.
[00:40:29]  And so this is playing out in real time.
[00:40:31]  It has a real chilling effect in our colleges and our universities.
[00:40:34]  You know, can you even bring up who committed war crimes?
[00:40:38]  Can you even bring up whether or not there's a genocide in our colleges?
[00:40:42]  I want our colleges to be a place of free speech and open debate.
[00:40:45]  The longest time, fringe part of the left weaponized the hate speech idea and said, you can't talk about this.
[00:40:55]  You can't bring up race stats.
[00:40:57]  You can't be insensitive, whatever.
[00:41:00]  And now it's the fringes of the right that are increasingly institutionalized and backed by really big money in AIPAC.
[00:41:05]  Well, that's my concern.
[00:41:07]  Like, just, you know, to interrupt.
[00:41:08]  For just a moment, I despise the left on every moral issue, right?
[00:41:16]  I've always been a GOP voter, although I've become incredibly disenchanted by the GOP.
[00:41:24]  But one of the things that it's not just disenchanting or disappointing, but it is quite terrifying is I can conceive of a real possible outcome in the future, in the near future, in my lifetime.
[00:41:40]  Perhaps in as short as just a few years, where it wouldn't actually be the left that caused my children to be without a father because their dad is in jail, but it would actually be the right.
[00:41:55]  And it would be on the basis of anti Semitism laws affecting speech.
[00:42:03]  That is a real reality where it feels like stuck between a rock and a hard place.
[00:42:09]  It's like I either vote for champions of abortion and gay marriage.
[00:42:14]  Or also champions of abortion and gay marriage.
[00:42:17]  Let's not kid ourselves on the GOP, but guys who are a little bit better on those issues, at least to some degree.
[00:42:24]  But over here, it really is concerning the GOP's devotion to Israel, to Judaism.
[00:42:37]  Kamala Harris will ruin the country in her own right, but probably won't throw me in jail for my podcast.
[00:42:45]  No.
[00:42:47]  JD Vance might.
[00:42:52]  What is someone like me?
[00:42:54]  What team should I even be rooting for at this point?
[00:42:56]  Like, if you were me and you held some of the views that I do, and I know that you don't, there's things that we agree on, on Israel as a nation state.
[00:43:08]  But, you know, there are obviously clear distinctions between us because I don't want to hurt your chances of winning.
[00:43:14]  I like you and I support you, even though we disagree on some things.
[00:43:18]  I want, you know, the public to be fully aware that I'm endorsing James Fishback.
[00:43:24]  You're not necessarily endorsing Joel Webbin.
[00:43:26]  And, And that's clear.
[00:43:28]  But what would you do if you were me?
[00:43:33]  Like, what horse would you be betting on?
[00:43:35]  Who would you be wanting to win?
[00:43:37]  Knowing that I have a book sitting on the dresser behind you, The Hyphenated Heresy, subtitled Judeo Christianity.
[00:43:46]  I actually view it in religious terms.
[00:43:49]  Judeo Christianity, I think, is a heresy.
[00:43:51]  In political terms, I think it's weaponized rhetoric to make Americans tax slaves to a foreign interest at every level, politically, religiously.
[00:44:02]  I believe it's poison.
[00:44:04]  I believe that these United States, we have Israel wrapped around our neck.
[00:44:09]  I think it is a serious issue, quickly becoming one of the quintessential issues.
[00:44:15]  I think of abortion.
[00:44:16]  I've always held that as a serious issue.
[00:44:19]  But at this point, it's getting close to immigration and Israel being right up there with it.
[00:44:26]  And I think that's in large part why the right is beginning to fracture in many ways, is because the traditional issues.
[00:44:36]  Platform policies that we've all kind of agreed on are not really enough anymore because there are new rising threats, and one of them is a threat to free speech.
[00:44:46]  So, what would you do with guys like me?
[00:44:49]  And you know, some of the guys that I represent, you know, the people that I speak for who are patriots, they love our country.
[00:44:56]  You may not agree with everybody in my camp, but you know that we love the Lord Jesus Christ and we love the United States of America.
[00:45:03]  We love our country.
[00:45:06]  We're not traitors.
[00:45:06]  We're not trying to sabotage American interests.
[00:45:10]  We genuinely believe that Israel is just at odds with America's prosperity, America's benefit, the good of America.
[00:45:23]  So, what do you think my camp and the guys that I speak for would do if you were us?
[00:45:31]  Would you be voting GOP?
[00:45:34]  Would you, what do we do?
[00:45:41]  I'd be voting in primaries and getting good America First Patriots to run first and foremost.
[00:45:46]  If we just vote the GOP in as is, we get what we deserve.
[00:45:54]  Yeah.
[00:45:55]  And so the question then becomes what are we actually going to do to push back against this?
[00:46:03]  Because they've got money.
[00:46:04]  We've got Patriots.
[00:46:04]  We've got the truth on our side.
[00:46:06]  We've got history on our side.
[00:46:06]  We've got our heritage on our side.
[00:46:08]  What are we actually trying to do?
[00:46:10]  to advance our version, which is the true, correct, noble, and righteous version of our movement.
[00:46:17]  But perhaps the bigger point, too, is we can't let this stand, right?
[00:46:26]  If a woman gets arrested, a man gets arrested in the face of an anti-Semitism law for criticizing Israel, there should be 100 patriots outside of the jail with AR-15s.
[00:46:39]  Yeah.
[00:46:40]  Full stop.
[00:46:41]  Yeah.
[00:46:42]  Full stop.

=== Refusing to Enforce Tyranny (02:04) ===

[00:46:43]  It's tyranny.
[00:46:45]  It's tyranny.
[00:46:45]  And it'd be no different than someone grabbing somebody off the street and arresting them for whatever random crime without any semblance of due process.
[00:46:58]  This violates the core of what our nation was built on, which is free expression and free speech.
[00:47:05]  And anyone who, in the name of upholding the law, would break the law of the land, the United States Constitution, is utterly disqualified from holding office.
[00:47:16]  Yeah, well said.
[00:47:17]  So, I think you were going to list three things.
[00:47:19]  Oh, right.
[00:47:20]  So, we did the first one, of course, was to divest.
[00:47:23]  Right.
[00:47:23]  And what I've also said is that I would bring back the $385 million.
[00:47:28]  I would also separately launch a $385 million statewide down payment assistance program for young married couples to buy their first home.
[00:47:37]  If we're going to invest money anywhere, it should be right in Florida in young people and their ability to buy a home, get married, have kids.
[00:47:45]  That's what matters.
[00:47:47]  And so, I would want to bring that money back, $385 million, and then launch what I call Rise and Shine, the statewide down payment assistance program.
[00:47:54]  If you're a Florida resident, if you're married, if you're under the age of 30, if one of the two of you works full time, there's a $10,000 check with your name on it to buy your first home.
[00:48:05]  Let's bring back home ownership because nothing else matters if you can't buy some dirt and raise a family.
[00:48:12]  Right.
[00:48:13]  The second thing, of course, is refuse to enforce and then work to repeal the anti Semitism law.
[00:48:17]  People say, well, you have to repeal it, you need the legislature.
[00:48:20]  Yeah, but as governor, My job is to execute the laws passed by the legislature.
[00:48:25]  I'm not going to execute any law that violates the Constitution.
[00:48:27]  So I am not going to enforce that law.
[00:48:30]  The third thing, and this is not about a law, it's about positioning.
[00:48:38]  There is no reason for me to ever visit the country of Israel.
[00:48:41]  Full stop.
[00:48:42]  Yep.
[00:48:43]  Full stop.
[00:48:44]  Tiny hat?
[00:48:46]  Wall?
[00:48:47]  No wall.

=== No Visit to Israel Planned (04:09) ===

[00:48:48]  You know, it's funny, I got criticized by the Department of Justice, literally one of their chief officials, Leo Terrell, who's the Senior chairman of the anti Semitism task force.
[00:48:57]  By the way, there is no anti Christian bias task force.
[00:49:01]  Yeah, because nobody cares.
[00:49:01]  Nobody cares.
[00:49:02]  You can trample Jesus Christ and blaspheme him all day long.
[00:49:06]  You can ransack a church and be called Don Lemon.
[00:49:09]  Right.
[00:49:09]  Yeah.
[00:49:10]  I mean, the sisters of perpetual indulgence, like literally publicly blaspheming Jesus Christ, somebody dressed up like Jesus on a cross with nuns, pretend nuns gyrating in front of him while children are watching.
[00:49:23]  These things have happened.
[00:49:25]  Recently, on American soil, public displays a blasphemy towards the Lord Jesus Christ.
[00:49:32]  But if I say, Yeah, I don't want this Judeo crap in my country, simply by just even saying that on a podcast.
[00:49:43]  You'll get demonetized.
[00:49:44]  Yeah.
[00:49:44]  Get pulled.
[00:49:45]  Yeah.
[00:49:49]  This DOJ official attacked me by name over my I refuse to kiss the wall comment.
[00:49:54]  And he said, Kissing the wall was the proudest moment.
[00:49:58]  Of my career.
[00:50:01]  Yeah, then step down.
[00:50:02]  What a sad career.
[00:50:03]  But interesting how he used the word career because kissing the wall is careerism at its finest.
[00:50:10]  It is transactional in nature.
[00:50:13]  It's just transactional.
[00:50:14]  The proudest moment of your career is because if he was actually genuine and this was some spiritual journey and this was some religious symbol that meant a lot to Leo Terrell, who is a Black Baptist, the proudest moment of my spiritual journey, of my life, you know.
[00:50:32]  I hope to go to the Vatican one day as a proud Catholic.
[00:50:34]  I hope to meet Pope Leo.
[00:50:36]  As governor, I would want nothing more than to formally invite the Pope to visit my state, as Pope John Paul II did when my father was growing up and he visited with my grandmother.
[00:50:50]  But it would not be the proudest moment of my career to meet Pope Leo or to visit the Vatican.
[00:50:55]  It would be the proudest moment of my life, of my spiritual journey.
[00:50:58]  It's all a facade with these people.
[00:51:01]  Everything they do is.
[00:51:05]  To bend the knee to a foreign country.
[00:51:08]  That's all it is.
[00:51:09]  And the sooner we recognize that, the better.
[00:51:11]  There's nothing religious about a Republican or a Democrat visiting the wall.
[00:51:17]  There's nothing religious about that.
[00:51:18]  Certainly for Jews, there is a religious significance to the Western world.
[00:51:22]  There is.
[00:51:23]  And we shouldn't deny that.
[00:51:24]  There's no significance to me as a Christian, to you as a Christian.
[00:51:28]  But for those who view it as a religious rite of passage, let that be their right.
[00:51:34]  But for those who would, like the Israeli government, use it.
[00:51:38]  To prove fealty to another $5 billion we have to borrow from China, put that debt on the children and our grandchildren to give Israel more money.
[00:51:49]  Kissing the wall is merely genuflecting before a foreign nation.
[00:51:54]  There is no religious significance for someone like Leo Terrell or any member of Congress or any governor for that.
[00:52:02]  Now, what I have said is that I think visiting foreign countries is important.
[00:52:07]  Trade, jobs, I'd love to visit Japan and build a nonstop flight between Tokyo Narita Airport and Miami International.
[00:52:14]  I want to bring thousands of Japanese tourists who are high spenders to Miami, to Orlando.
[00:52:18]  I want to connect Florida with East Asia.
[00:52:21]  It's great for businesses in Florida, it'd be great for jobs, great for tourism.
[00:52:27]  But I'm not going there for any other reason.
[00:52:31]  And the truth is that Israel is not a big trading partner of Florida at all.
[00:52:34]  Our largest trading partner is Brazil.
[00:52:36]  I actually studied abroad in Brazil.
[00:52:37]  And so I would want nothing more than to visit Brazil in my first 100 days.
[00:52:41]  To ink a trade package with large Brazilian companies who can invest to create thousands of new jobs, not for skilled people.
[00:52:49]  We're going to have some skilled jobs too.
[00:52:50]  But my gold standard when creating a job is is it paying a good, dignified wage?
[00:52:56]  Is it for local labor?

=== Who Indoctrinates Our Youth (02:09) ===

[00:52:58]  And can it be fulfilled by high school grads?
[00:53:02]  I want a labor market where our high school grads are well trained in our public schools or our home schools and our private schools.
[00:53:07]  And I'm proud of the school choice work that Governor DeSantis and First Lady DeSantis have done.
[00:53:11]  Yeah.
[00:53:12]  I want a labor market where our high school grads can get paid 50, 60, 70 grand right out of high school.
[00:53:18]  And I also want employers who recognize the value of the reforms that we're going to make in our high school.
[00:53:23]  We got a lot of work to do in our high school.
[00:53:24]  I said today, you know, we're filming this on President's Day.
[00:53:26]  I said, you're not graduating from a Florida high school unless you can give a five minute speech in front of the class saying who your favorite president is and why.
[00:53:34]  No notes, five minutes.
[00:53:36]  It's a very good proxy, by the way, for a lot of things that matter, right?
[00:53:40]  Do you know your history?
[00:53:41]  Can you articulate an opinion?
[00:53:42]  Can you defend that opinion?
[00:53:44]  And most importantly, Can you speak publicly without notes?
[00:53:49]  What better way?
[00:53:49]  And you know, the libertarians already attacked me.
[00:53:51]  This is indoctrination.
[00:53:53]  Everything for the libertarians is indoctrination.
[00:53:55]  Well, everything actually is indoctrination.
[00:53:58]  It's not whether, but which.
[00:53:59]  Every child will be indoctrinated.
[00:54:01]  Every child, children will be taught.
[00:54:04]  They will learn.
[00:54:04]  So the question is not whether we indoctrinate them, it's who gets to indoctrinate and what they indoctrinate with.
[00:54:10]  Correct.
[00:54:11]  So I want to see indoctrination is to train a child up in the doctrine.
[00:54:16]  In the doctrine.
[00:54:16]  Right.
[00:54:17]  So then the question is just which doctrine, whose doctrine, and who's doing the teaching?
[00:54:20]  Right.
[00:54:21]  The indoctrination is going to happen irrespective.
[00:54:25]  So the question is are we going to play a role in it?
[00:54:27]  Are we going to throw up our hands, surrender, and cower?
[00:54:29]  Which one?
[00:54:31]  Right.
[00:54:32]  I want to, here we go.
[00:54:34]  I want to radicalize American youth.
[00:54:37]  What do you mean you want to?
[00:54:37]  Are you a Marxist?
[00:54:38]  I want to radicalize the next generation of young Americans to know their history, the good, bad, and the ugly, to love this country, to recognize that we are unique in the world, that our freedoms, our identity, our heritage are Christian faith.
[00:54:56]  That is something that is inseparable to our nation's founding.
[00:54:59]  I do want to radicalize people.
[00:55:01]  And it would be the honor of a lifetime to do that as the next governor of Florida.
[00:55:04]  James Fishback, thank you for coming on the show.
[00:55:06]  Appreciate your time.
[00:55:07]  My pleasure.