NXR Podcast - NXR Livestream - The History of Replacement Theology Vs Zionism
Aired: 2026-03-16
Duration: 01:26:18


=== Two Theological Teams Clash (02:24) ===

[00:00:00]  All right, we've got two teams at play here.
[00:00:02]  Here are the teams.
[00:00:03]  Standing in one corner, you have team replacement theology, also known as team fulfillment theology, that Christ is the promised seed, the fulfillment of every biblical prophecy that we find in the Old Testament.
[00:00:16]  It is team Christian theology, team biblical theology, team Catholic, in the truest sense, theology.
[00:00:23]  In the other corner, you have team novel, team heresy, team dispensational Zionism.
[00:00:30]  Team Destruction and Poison to these United States of America.
[00:00:34]  Team Miga, Make Israel Great Again.
[00:00:38]  Team Traitor.
[00:00:39]  Those are the two teams.
[00:00:40]  Let me read off a few of the teammates so that we have everything clear.
[00:00:44]  In the Replacement Theology team, Replacement Theology, just for the record, is a pejorative that was coined by radical dispensational Zionists who were beholden to Israel above Orthodox historic Christian doctrine.
[00:01:00]  It is not replacement theology, it is simply Christian theology.
[00:01:05]  It is biblical theology.
[00:01:06]  It is, if anything, fulfillment theology that Christ fulfills every biblical prophecy that we find under the Old Covenant.
[00:01:14]  On this team, we have Athanasius, Clement, Jerome, Irenaeus, Ignatius, Justin, Origen, Chrysostom, every Pope ever, all the Protestant reformers, the Eastern Orthodox, the Puritans, nonconformists, Anglicans, and Episcopalians, both the Calvinists and early Arminians, early Congregationalists, the Presbyterians, the Lutherans, the particular and general Baptists.
[00:01:38]  The Augsburg and the Heidelberg, the Canons of Dort, Westminster, the Second London 1689 Confession, the 39 Articles, Abstract of Principles, Tyndale, Wycliffe, Knox, Zwingli.
[00:01:50]  We also have Spurgeon, John Gill, Edwards, Whitfield, Holmes, both of the Wesleys, Turreton, Baxter, Watson, Bunyan, Henry, Keach, Fuller, Boyce, Hodge.
[00:02:01]  We also have Lloyd Jones in Warfield, Machin, Van Til, Packer, and Sproul.
[00:02:07]  That is team replacement theology, again, fulfillment theology, Christian.
[00:02:12]  Lowercase c Catholic theology on the other side, dispensational radical Zionism, novel new, it is heterodox at best, it is heresy at worst.

=== Trump Excludes Historic Faith (03:23) ===

[00:02:24]  On that side, you have post 1907 charismatics, the theological illiterate bottom rung of low church evangelicals, the orbit of Dallas Theological Seminary, people who listen to CCM, denominations that ordain both women and homosexuals, the new apostolic reformation, TBN.
[00:02:45]  Mormons and absolutely no one, and I repeat, no one prior to 1821.
[00:02:51]  Congratulations.
[00:02:52]  What a team.
[00:02:53]  In today's episode, we're going to be getting into the recent interview between Tucker Carlson and Kerry Bowler, who was actually personally removed by Donald Trump from the Religious Liberty Council.
[00:03:07]  This is a big deal.
[00:03:08]  This is worm tongue whispering into the ear of the king.
[00:03:12]  We have Donald Trump asleep at the wheel.
[00:03:15]  Right, this guy was good in his political instincts at first, he's always been bad, though.
[00:03:21]  Let's not forget who Donald Trump really is.
[00:03:23]  I'm grateful for the wins, I'm grateful for the ways God and His providence has used him as a King Cyrus in the past.
[00:03:29]  But those days are long gone.
[00:03:31]  We need to wake up and smell the coffee, recognize who Donald Trump is today, who he was prior.
[00:03:38]  There was some political zeal, right?
[00:03:40]  There was some courage, some willingness to test things and even threaten certain wicked ideologies.
[00:03:48]  The White House in Washington that needed to be threatened, that needed to be pulled down.
[00:03:53]  But even then, the best of Trump, a Trump long gone at this point, sadly, theologically speaking, politically, there were some things to boast of.
[00:04:02]  Theologically, the guy has always been a 1990s liberal Democrat.
[00:04:07]  He is not, from what we can tell, regenerate.
[00:04:10]  He is not Christian in the truest sense, but rather has hijacked Christian rhetoric in order to appeal optically to the masses.
[00:04:19]  Especially evangelicals in the Republican Party.
[00:04:23]  That's pretty much who Trump is.
[00:04:25]  That's who he has always been.
[00:04:27]  He is open to word of faith, prosperity, heretical, Zionist, dispensational, false teachers on their third marriage, such as Paula White.
[00:04:39]  Paula White is whispering a bunch of voodoo, garbage theology into the ear of the president.
[00:04:47]  And when someone who actually is holding to a traditional Christian view, As it pertains to Christ's fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, not giving in to the novel interpretations of dispensational Zionism, she was promptly removed from the Religious Liberty Council.
[00:05:05]  Paula White whispering into the ear of Trump, and Trump has essentially what he has communicated by this decision and the firing of Carrie Bowler is that traditional historic Christian theology is not welcome in the White House.
[00:05:21]  It is not welcome when it comes to those in the driver's seat politically.
[00:05:26]  For this nation, what we essentially have witnessed is the president of the United States condemning the Orthodox historic Christian faith.
[00:05:36]  I'm going to say that again.
[00:05:37]  What we have witnessed is the president of the United States of America publicly condemning the Orthodox historic traditional Christian faith.

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=== Christian Nationalism Defined (14:51) ===

[00:08:15]  Let's go ahead and first just line out the situation before we get into some of the theology and the Christian history.
[00:08:22]  First, let's talk about Kerry Bowler.
[00:08:23]  Let's talk about Donald Trump.
[00:08:24]  Let's talk about Paula White.
[00:08:25]  What is it that just took place and why is it significant?
[00:08:29]  Well, it doesn't matter if you are going to the grocery store, if you are sitting on a panel in front of the Senate, if you're testifying in front of a judge.
[00:08:36]  Everybody right now is talking about Israel.
[00:08:39]  Since October 7th and the attack that Hamas leveled against southern Israel, Everyone has been talking about where does Israel fit in?
[00:08:45]  Where does Israel fit in geopolitically?
[00:08:47]  And especially for Christians, how do we think of Israel now as Christians?
[00:08:52]  How do we think of those that at one time seemed to have promises made to them for the land, but now on the other side of Christ have rejected him, have cast off their Messiah?
[00:09:00]  How do we think about Jerusalem, the holy city, the holy land?
[00:09:03]  Where does that fit in to our theology?
[00:09:05]  And nowhere was this more on display than last month, February 11th.
[00:09:09]  Kerry Bowler is one of the appointees to a Trump created religious liberty. Commission.
[00:09:14]  What Trump established last year, in May of 2025, was a religious liberty commission to essentially safeguard religious liberty for all faiths across the United States.
[00:09:24]  Now, it was not just Christians on that commission.
[00:09:27]  There was a Muslim woman at one point.
[00:09:28]  She left after comments on the war in Iran.
[00:09:31]  I think at one point there was even a rabbi or a Jew included in this.
[00:09:34]  So this was not a religious liberty commission specifically for safeguarding the rights of Christians.
[00:09:39]  That would be a true religious liberty commission.
[00:09:42]  It's not the religious liberties of Hindus and Muslims and Jews and anyone else who claims a religion.
[00:09:46]  No, there should be freedom of religion.
[00:09:48]  To practice the true religion.
[00:09:50]  That's the religion that deserves protection in the public square and other religions that are false.
[00:09:54]  It's actually unloving to your neighbor to protect their right to public idolatry.
[00:09:59]  So we are not in favor of.
[00:10:01]  Freedom of idolatry is not a virtue.
[00:10:03]  No.
[00:10:04]  And it's not loving to your neighbor.
[00:10:05]  And that's not what the founders intended.
[00:10:07]  They could not conceive of millions and millions of Muslims coming into the country.
[00:10:11]  Neither did they conceive of ultimately the country being in a stranglehold from Israel and Judaism, Talmudic Judaism.
[00:10:18]  That's not what they conceived of.
[00:10:20]  So the First Amendment.
[00:10:22]  When we see Congress, what's the first word of the First Amendment?
[00:10:26]  Congress at the federal national level shall not declare that any particular subset, denomination, this is what they were getting at, because this is what they were fleeing, right?
[00:10:35]  Nobody is doing politics or theology for that matter or anything in a vacuum.
[00:10:39]  Everyone is a product of place and time.
[00:10:42]  In other words, everyone is the product of providence, God's sovereignty, God's providence at that time.
[00:10:47]  What were they fleeing from?
[00:10:49]  They were fleeing from what they perceived in their consciences as certain religious abuses from the Church of England.
[00:10:55]  And they wanted to be able to worship God freely according to their conscience.
[00:10:58]  They were not trying to carve out a position for H 1B visas to usher in Hinduism into the nation or atheism, for that matter, or Islam or Judaism.
[00:11:09]  They were trying to say that the Christian faith is the true faith.
[00:11:13]  And we see all the founders, whether it's Washington or this guy or that guy, Adams, Jackson, they're all paying homage to the triune God.
[00:11:25]  Is true.
[00:11:25]  What they're trying to allow for is for the Baptists to be able to worship according to their conscience and the Methodists and the Episcopalians and the Anglicans and the Presbyterians, these things, and even some space for the Catholics.
[00:11:37]  Although it was primarily a Protestant project in early foundation of America, you have Maryland, you have certain pockets of Catholicism that were permitted because, again, they worship the triune God.
[00:11:49]  It's still under this big banner of Christian faith.
[00:11:52]  And so when they say in the First Amendment, That Congress shall make no law.
[00:11:58]  They're saying that at the congressional level, at the federal national level, we will not have these United States be formally Baptist or Presbyterian or Catholic or Anglican to where other Christians who worship differently and have other interpretations would all of a sudden find themselves in legal jeopardy.
[00:12:20]  You can't read the Constitution and you can't read the amendments in a vacuum.
[00:12:25]  You have to recognize that there's a context that precedes all of this.
[00:12:29]  So we need to get back to authorial.
[00:12:31]  Intent.
[00:12:32]  Right.
[00:12:32]  Right.
[00:12:32]  The authorial intent of the First Amendment was not freedom of idolatry.
[00:12:37]  And if it was, if it was, and we actually determined that, I'm convinced it's not, but if it was, then guess what?
[00:12:43]  The founders were wrong.
[00:12:44]  And we need to fix that because God will not bless a nation that has as one of its core values freedom of public idolatry.
[00:12:52]  Right.
[00:12:52]  We are Christian first.
[00:12:54]  Right.
[00:12:54]  Constitution second.
[00:12:56]  Christian first.
[00:12:57]  Yeah.
[00:12:57]  I mean, it's safe to say they would have had the founders, that is, they would have had no concept whatsoever.
[00:13:02]  Of Mohammedans, for example, living amongst Christians.
[00:13:05]  That would have been utterly preposterous to them at their time.
[00:13:08]  But also, if you think, take to your point of authorial intent, you've taken an originalist approach to the Constitution.
[00:13:13]  We've said this before on the podcast, but if it were the case that in the Constitution, in the First Amendment, by instituting this freedom to exercise religion clause, they meant that no state could have its own instituted religion or instituted denomination, then the burden is on the persons making that claim to demonstrate why then.
[00:13:35]  You had several states, I think it was seven of the 13 colonies after the ratification of the Constitution, which would have been like 89 or 88 or 89.
[00:13:44]  Why would they have been allowed to have those specific denominations?
[00:13:48]  So I'm thinking North Carolina, for example, or having qualifications, religious qualifications for office, to be governor, to be a representative.
[00:13:55]  You had to be a Trinitarian Christian, for example, in North Carolina and many other colonies after the ratification.
[00:14:00]  So these would now be states after the ratification of the Constitution.
[00:14:03]  More than that, though, if you look at the persecution of the quote unquote Mormon church in the 19th century, Nobody was batting an eye.
[00:14:10]  Nobody was making a constitutional argument, for example, that Mormons should actually be able to practice polygamy and the federal government shouldn't be precluding them from doing that because it's a religious freedom for them to be able to.
[00:14:21]  Nobody was making that argument.
[00:14:22]  So, of course, this is a modern reinterpretation.
[00:14:24]  This is fundamentally the same liberal framework that the Supreme Court's used.
[00:14:28]  It's a classic case of the pendulum swinging.
[00:14:30]  So, in Europe, laws around religion and even around marriage, they really were pretty restrictive.
[00:14:34]  If you read the stories of German immigrants that came to Texas, if a young man didn't own land, he was not permitted.
[00:14:40]  To marry.
[00:14:41]  And so there were these families living under whether you had a state run church, whether you had property laws, under a system that there was a reason they made those laws, but ultimately they'd become pretty stifling.
[00:14:51]  And so America is kind of this pendulum swinging in the other direction.
[00:14:54]  Well, we've experienced persecution at the hands of the state.
[00:14:56]  We've experienced laws that are very restrictive on the working class.
[00:14:59]  And so we're going to design America to be much more open, much more free in these regards.
[00:15:03]  And there's something good in there the freedom of the conscience, the freedom from the state coming in and saying, Do you have your license to preach and throwing people in jail for a decade over that.
[00:15:12]  So there's a good pushback against that.
[00:15:14]  But again, to that time, in that case, it's like, okay, Washington had a letter, for example, to Hebrew congregants.
[00:15:20]  There were some Jews there.
[00:15:21]  Never in his mind was he thinking, though, they would have a synagogue on the town square.
[00:15:26]  So they were perfectly fine when it was 1% out of a 99%, at least nominally, 99% Christian country.
[00:15:32]  Again, to the point, we could have never imagined, especially immigration fueling this, because we were still 90% Christian in 1950.
[00:15:39]  Immigration brought in a ton of other religions, and they were happy to take on this language of religious liberty, religious freedom.
[00:15:45]  We just want to practice our religion, too.
[00:15:47]  So in the time, It was a good pushback against the excesses of a state that had a lot of power and got a little bit head over its heels.
[00:15:54]  However, pair that with third world immigration, the whole system breaks down.
[00:15:57]  Right.
[00:15:58]  Carrie Bowler was called to a panel.
[00:16:00]  There's a panel testifying about anti Semitism and the White House.
[00:16:04]  And so she's the commission leader again of the Religious Liberty Commission, aimed for religious liberty, protecting religious liberty for Americans.
[00:16:12]  And while she was there, she pushed back very strongly against the notion that anti Semitism is on the rise, that traditional Christian theology is in and of itself anti Semitic.
[00:16:21]  One of the things that she said is, I'm a Catholic, and Catholics are anti Zionist.
[00:16:25]  Now, to be clear, Zionism is a subset of a larger doctrine of beliefs about the Jews.
[00:16:31]  Zionism is the particular view that the Jews that wandered Europe for 2,000 years are the direct descendants of the Jews who originally removed from the land when the Romans sacked the temple, and that they have a right, even having wandered all of these years, to establish a home in Israel, to have autonomy in that region, and to ultimately conduct their own affairs.
[00:16:51]  So Zionism is a subset of that.
[00:16:53]  That's distinct from this whole idea of anti Semitism.
[00:16:56]  It's distinct from who are the Jews, are they God's chosen people or not?
[00:16:59]  That's more a geopolitical view.
[00:17:01]  Zionism is The Jews have a right to that land.
[00:17:04]  Now, traditional Catholic theology has said, well, that land, it's Christians.
[00:17:09]  That's the land where Jesus walked.
[00:17:11]  That's the land, the tomb that he rose from, the tomb of the Holy Sepulchre.
[00:17:16]  That's there.
[00:17:17]  That belongs to Christians.
[00:17:19]  And so, Catholic theology and Protestant theology, they've all held, for the majority of church history, Zionism, we're not a fan of it.
[00:17:27]  It's not our political doctrine.
[00:17:29]  It's not something we have to theologically support.
[00:17:31]  Some Christians most certainly do.
[00:17:32]  Again, that's downstream of dispensationalism.
[00:17:35]  As we talked about on Friday, In dispensationalism, you need the Jews in the land to build the third temple to bring about the end times.
[00:17:41]  So, some Christians support Zionism because Zionism gets them the temple that gets them the end times.
[00:17:46]  The majority of Christian history and doctrine has said, no, they don't have an inherent right to that land.
[00:17:51]  That land belongs to Christians.
[00:17:53]  And so, Zionism, downstream of whatever it is you think about the Jews as a geopolitical project, we don't necessarily support.
[00:18:00]  And she pushed back and said, Catholics are anti Zionist.
[00:18:03]  Does that make me anti Semitic?
[00:18:04]  Is every Catholic, all 1.3 billion Catholics in the world, are we all anti Semitic because we don't support Zionism?
[00:18:11]  Right.
[00:18:11]  Yeah, I want to just mention for a moment, you know, like Ted Cruz has come out and said that, you know, saying Christ is king is the equivalent of saying, I hate the Jews.
[00:18:21]  Or, you know, people have said anti Zionism is anti Semitic, or Catholic theology is by nature anti Semitic, or Christian theology is by nature anti Semitic.
[00:18:32]  I just want to state for the record that these comparisons are comparisons that the Zionists are making, not comparisons that Christians are making.
[00:18:41]  No Christian is leading the way.
[00:18:43]  And starting, initiating the discourse by saying, to be truly and faithfully Christian, you must be anti Semitic.
[00:18:51]  Instead, right, because the sequence actually matters here, instead, what comes first is you have radical Zionists who are ultimately beholden to Israel and not just religiously speaking, they're heretical.
[00:19:06]  Politically speaking, they are traitors to these United States of America.
[00:19:10]  But it is that group that is initiating and starting the discourse.
[00:19:15]  They are the ones who are saying, Catholic theology is inherently anti Semitic, or traditional, you know, historic Christian theology is inherently anti Semitic, or to say Christ is king is equivalent to saying, I hate Jews.
[00:19:29]  We would continue to maintain that it's not, that it is not.
[00:19:33]  To be anti Zionist is not to hate all Jewish people.
[00:19:36]  We would maintain that.
[00:19:37]  However, if this rhetoric ultimately is what wins the day, if this rhetoric wins the day and it's either historic faithful Christian theology and therefore anti Semitism or pro Zionism but abandoning the historic Christian faith once and for all, passed down to the saints, then I'm going to go in that first category.
[00:20:00]  But let the record maintain that I didn't frame it with those terms.
[00:20:06]  I'm not the one.
[00:20:07]  We are not the ones leading the discourse saying, hey, historic Christian faith.
[00:20:11]  Is inherently anti Semitic.
[00:20:13]  We're not saying that.
[00:20:15]  But if this false dichotomy ends up winning in the public square of rhetoric and words and the way that things are framed, then yes, I will choose the side of anti Semitism if the radical Zionists make it so that anti Semitism is synonymous with loving the Lord Jesus Christ.
[00:20:39]  If those are my options, right?
[00:20:40]  If it's love Jesus and be anti Semitic or be pro Israel.
[00:20:45]  And deny the Christian faith.
[00:20:46]  Such a good point.
[00:20:47]  Then, okay, then I'm anti Semitic.
[00:20:49]  Right.
[00:20:49]  Now, I would like to, again, maintain that I'm not.
[00:20:53]  I think that that's a false dichotomy.
[00:20:55]  I don't love the label, but.
[00:20:56]  But this is the way that Ted Cruz is framing it.
[00:20:58]  This is the way that Mark Levin is framing it.
[00:21:01]  This is the way that Paula White is framing it.
[00:21:04]  And so then you have people who are saying, well, if this is what you're forcing me into, what's the cause of the rise of anti Semitism?
[00:21:13]  Well, there's a lot of things, right?
[00:21:15]  One is glassing Gaza, you know, these.
[00:21:18]  Past two years on the world stage for everyone to see.
[00:21:21]  But another part of what's driving this sentiment among not just a few, you know, 17 people on 4chan, but in the masses, like in the Republican Party and the Democrat Party, pretty much everyone under the age of 45, 50 years old now is turning sour on Israel.
[00:21:40]  Part of it is because Bibi Netanyahu is a blatant warlord and his actions on the world stage.
[00:21:48]  But part of it also is because we have traitors in our midst here in America that are beholden to another nation above ours.
[00:21:55]  And that's in the political side of the aisle, but in the religious side, are constantly shoving down our throats that we have to ultimately, in order to be loving, sufficiently loving enough towards Jewish people, we have to deny core aspects and tenets of historic Christian doctrine.
[00:22:17]  And if you keep going down that path, Then, what you're going to have is a bunch of people like me saying, Well, then screw it.
[00:22:24]  Fine.
[00:22:25]  Fine.
[00:22:26]  I'm anti Semitic.
[00:22:27]  Yeah, that's a great point.
[00:22:28]  We have to remember that they're the ones who made the crux of Zionism, the centerpiece of that position, a religious doctrine, and more precisely, a theological error.
[00:22:38]  So, you don't really get to accept the framing of debate.
[00:22:43]  And so long as Zionism has even been a concept in the popular conscious here in the West, it's always been there is a theological grounding.
[00:22:51]  We look in history and it's the Jews being persecuted.
[00:22:54]  And it's all theological.
[00:22:55]  It's all spiritual.
[00:22:56]  And Christians ought to recognize that reality.
[00:23:00]  Otherwise, they hate that.
[00:23:01]  One, they hate God, first and foremost, is the argument that they make.
[00:23:04]  But then they hate Jews more specifically.

=== MAGA Shifts Political Stance (13:52) ===

[00:23:07]  Right.
[00:23:07]  And it's just preposterous.
[00:23:09]  It is difficult to overstate how fundamentally modern the concept of the Jews, the modern day Jews as Israel, is.
[00:23:19]  I mean, in Christian life and faith, no one has ever thought that.
[00:23:23]  No one has ever thought that.
[00:23:24]  Until 70 years ago.
[00:23:25]  I do get to agree real quick with Wes and what he said previously.
[00:23:29]  It is important that Christians recognize that you don't need to say, I understand that in terms of messianic prophecies and fulfillment of scripture and all these kinds of things, there is no explicit promise in the Old or New Testament, in the biblical canon, that says Christians will physically, literally capture the Holy Land in the Middle East.
[00:23:50]  And so that does not need to occur in order for all these messianic prophecies to be fulfilled.
[00:23:57]  That said, right, so I recognize that it's not biblically explicit as something that must take place.
[00:24:03]  That said, there's a lot of wiggle room between this has to happen and it's promised that Christians, actually, not Jews, not Muslims, but Christians possess this land.
[00:24:14]  That is not, in terms of biblical prophecy, a must.
[00:24:17]  However, there's a lot of room between that, recognizing it's not a must, and way over here on the other side, saying that this land has no significance at all.
[00:24:25]  I would say that the land actually is significant and it rightly should belong to Christians.
[00:24:31]  It should belong to Christians theologically speaking, but it should also belong to Christians geopolitically.
[00:24:36]  Why?
[00:24:37]  Because Christians are the ones who have bled and sweat and died and paid billions and billions of dollars.
[00:24:44]  It's not as though Israel captured this land.
[00:24:47]  Well, actually, what Israel did when the Persians took Jerusalem in AD 600, they slaughtered Christians by the thousands as they were leaving Jerusalem as payback for how they stopped them from having their religious liberty.
[00:24:59]  So, what do they contribute as far as blood and sweat and everything to Jerusalem?
[00:25:02]  Oh, let's see.
[00:25:02]  They slaughtered Christians by the thousands on that land because they hated them.
[00:25:06]  That's right.
[00:25:07]  Whereas Christians died to take it back from the Muslims.
[00:25:09]  Right.
[00:25:09]  And my point is to say, even from if you're not theologically astute or you don't really have a dog in the fight, maybe you don't identify as Christian or this, that, or the other, just politically, practically speaking, we're the ones that put Jews back in Israel.
[00:25:29]  And we're the ones who keep Jews in Israel.
[00:25:32]  They didn't achieve this land, they couldn't have done it.
[00:25:36]  It was Western Christian nations that made this happen.
[00:25:40]  And it was Britain losing the will to hold all of this land that they had, and the Jews continuously over decades, please give us this land.
[00:25:48]  Please declare that it's ours.
[00:25:49]  We want to go back.
[00:25:50]  Let's do some blackmail, please.
[00:25:51]  After two world wars, Britain was finally like, we're exhausted, we give up, and boom, they announced the Jewish state.
[00:25:57]  And then Truman on the United States side, international Jewry, immediately recognizes it.
[00:26:02]  So you have the most powerful nation in the world, not ravaged by the last two world wars, recognizing your sovereignty, a British empire unwilling to hold it within an hour, within minutes.
[00:26:11]  He was pressured.
[00:26:12]  By international Jews, said you really need to do this for us.
[00:26:15]  This is really important.
[00:26:16]  So you establish it, you declare it, the most powerful nation in the world agrees to it, also declares their support for you.
[00:26:22]  All the other nations in the region decimated by war.
[00:26:25]  Boom.
[00:26:26]  Right.
[00:26:27]  So my point is again, a lot of room between this land must be captured by Muslims or by Jews or by Christians in order for the scripture to be fulfilled.
[00:26:37]  We would disagree with any of that.
[00:26:39]  It does not, Jesus could return, right?
[00:26:42]  No man knows the day or the hour.
[00:26:44]  But it could be the Father's will for Jesus to return, whether this land is currently in possession at a moment where the land is possession by Jews or by Muslims or by Christians or by no one.
[00:26:55]  And none of that is contingent upon fulfilling the eschaton and the final physical return of Christ.
[00:27:03]  That said, there's still, again, a far cry between that position.
[00:27:07]  This does not have to happen in biblical theological terms.
[00:27:11]  And way over here on the left, And therefore, the land has no significant theological value whatsoever.
[00:27:18]  No, it does have value.
[00:27:19]  It has value for Muslims, it has value for Jews, and it has value for Christians.
[00:27:23]  My only thing is, so that's the theological side of the conversation.
[00:27:27]  Now, in the practical geopolitical side, my only thing is this ultimately, the people who have been holding the land have been Christians for the last 75 years.
[00:27:36]  It's been Christians.
[00:27:37]  I'm not saying that Israel hasn't done anything, but I'm just saying that if Western Christian nations did not involve ourselves, Jews would have never gotten the land.
[00:27:45]  We could do it without the Jews, they cannot do it without us.
[00:27:49]  That's my point.
[00:27:49]  Geopolitically speaking, we.
[00:27:51]  And the way that the West is holding back the hordes of Israel.
[00:27:54]  The hordes of Israel.
[00:27:55]  Yes.
[00:27:55]  Yeah.
[00:27:56]  Exactly.
[00:27:56]  That's my only point.
[00:27:57]  If you just take theology aside for a moment and just look in terms of dollars and cents and military apparatus and these kinds of things, Western Christian nations can hold it without Jews.
[00:28:09]  Jews cannot hold it without us.
[00:28:11]  And yet they continue to get the land, the benefits, all of our tax dollars, all these kinds of things.
[00:28:17]  And it's just, even if you're not religious, especially if you're not religious, you'd be like scratching your head and being like, what's going on here?
[00:28:24]  Yeah.
[00:28:25]  And the reason this matters, like it'd be one thing if you were supporting maybe a non Christian, but a generally moral people.
[00:28:30]  But over the weekend, it came out.
[00:28:32]  Israel's top court cleared charges against five IDF soldiers that were charged in the.
[00:28:37]  And I'm going to be kind of vague here, but still, if you have children in the car, this is not the.
[00:28:41]  Skip the next couple minutes.
[00:28:42]  They were charged with raping a Palestinian man in their care.
[00:28:45]  And what happened was the charges came out.
[00:28:47]  There wasn't much to it.
[00:28:48]  Then video evidence came out that clearly showed that it was happening.
[00:28:52]  And what the courts did is they said they actually went after the lawyer who leaked the video and they just cleared all charges against the soldiers.
[00:28:58]  The soldier, the Palestinian prisoner, rather, he spent weeks in the hospital after he was raped with.
[00:29:04]  A knife.
[00:29:05]  Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, came out and said, These people are war heroes and we need to get back to doing what matters.
[00:29:11]  So we are talking about a state.
[00:29:13]  I mean, all of the stuff in Gaza, sure.
[00:29:14]  And I understand that conflict has some collateral damage, but you're talking about a state that lets its soldiers rape prisoners, other soldiers protesting for the right to rape on video.
[00:29:26]  They have it on camera.
[00:29:27]  They say, These guys are heroes.
[00:29:28]  We are talking about wicked, wicked people.
[00:29:30]  And for Christians to be supporting them, they're not even Christians and they're not even virtuous people.
[00:29:35]  They're savages.
[00:29:36]  That's where you have to say, Stop the show.
[00:29:38]  Something went way off base.
[00:29:40]  We are not sending sons and daughters, men and women, both.
[00:29:44]  They are dying for Israel right now.
[00:29:45]  They're dying in planes that go down.
[00:29:47]  They're dying in bases that are being hit in the region.
[00:29:49]  They are literally dying for Israel.
[00:29:50]  Real people with real families and real children dying for Israel.
[00:29:54]  And what are these people like?
[00:29:55]  What are their virtues?
[00:29:56]  Well, we just witnessed Israel's top court clear charges for raping a man with a knife.
[00:30:02]  And the prime minister and everyone else stood back and cheered.
[00:30:05]  And so, to round out the story on Kerry Purgeen, before we get to the ancient church, what they said, the history of supersessionism theology.
[00:30:12]  She was fired on February 11th.
[00:30:14]  The hearing took place on February 9th.
[00:30:16]  She was fired by the commission's leader, Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick.
[00:30:20]  Thank you, Texas.
[00:30:21]  Fired on February 11th.
[00:30:22]  And I want you to see the irony here.
[00:30:25]  This is the Religious Liberty Commission.
[00:30:28]  And a Catholic holding to traditional Catholic views, anti Zionism, was fired for her religious views.
[00:30:36]  Fired from her for her religious views.
[00:30:38]  There's some irony there.
[00:30:39]  From the Religious Liberty Commission.
[00:30:43]  Oh, it turns out Religious Liberty.
[00:30:45]  It is liberty of all religions, Hinduism, Muslim, Islam, whatever it would be.
[00:30:50]  It is freedom of all those religions except for one historic Christian theology.
[00:30:55]  Oh, it's just Jewish.
[00:30:57]  It's freedom for Jews to be Jews and be supported.
[00:31:01]  And everything else, as long as it doesn't conflict with that, that is okay.
[00:31:04]  But if it's Christian historic doctrine that conflicts with this, you actually don't have the freedom for that.
[00:31:09]  Yep.
[00:31:09]  Yeah, at the end of the day, it's not a conspiracy.
[00:31:11]  No, you have to just recognize logically, flowing from not just what they say, but what they actually do.
[00:31:18]  And what the words mean and what they actually achieve and accomplish.
[00:31:22]  If you're asking the question, you know, what religion is predominant, is supreme within the Religious Liberty Council here in these United States of America, it is Judaism.
[00:31:32]  Because the common denominator is that, well, only Judaism is allowed, you know, a sense, a place, a public prestige.
[00:31:39]  No, we're not saying that.
[00:31:42]  But what we are saying is that Judaism, among other religions, is permitted to exist.
[00:31:48]  Other religions besides Judaism are permitted to exist.
[00:31:51]  But the one common denominator that knocks you out of the running is if you ultimately are going against the Zionist agenda.
[00:32:00]  And historic Christianity does.
[00:32:03]  And if Muslim leaders here in the United States become more vocal about being anti Zionist and saying this goes against our religion, right now it's just a smaller fraction, right?
[00:32:14]  There's a lot, way more Muslims here than there should be, but I'm just saying, still proportionally, it is the minority report in terms of Muslims compared to.
[00:32:24]  Catholic Christians and Orthodox Christians and historic Protestant Christians, Muslims are small potatoes by comparison.
[00:32:34]  But if they grow in number and in prestige and begin to, their leadership represented with a Council of Religious Liberty, begin to represent a position that is directly controversial, contradicting a Zionist agenda, then all of a sudden they'll be gone too.
[00:32:55]  And remember, Donald Trump personally removed her from the commission.
[00:32:58]  The letter itself was on his letterhead.
[00:33:00]  It said, We thank you.
[00:33:01]  You are relieved of your duties immediately.
[00:33:03]  Trump himself does not have a theological take on this.
[00:33:05]  What is it?
[00:33:06]  It's the people whispering in his ear Mark Levins of the world, the Laura Loomers of the world, that got to him and said, Did you see this woman, the way she talked about Jews and Christians on this commission on February 9th?
[00:33:18]  She needs to be removed.
[00:33:19]  She doesn't practice religious freedom.
[00:33:20]  And he is beholden to it, to him.
[00:33:23]  The system is what it does.
[00:33:25]  Well, technically, no, look what it's doing.
[00:33:28]  Kicking Christians out.
[00:33:28]  I mean, even the Pope himself has come out.
[00:33:31]  So, like, if you're a Catholic, this is the doctrine from, as Catholics would say, the vicar of Christ on earth.
[00:33:37]  He himself condemning war and condemning the actions of Israel and Gaza.
[00:33:40]  So, if you even hold to what the head of your Christian tradition says in Trump's America, if it goes against you know who, you're out.
[00:33:50]  Let's go to our first.
[00:33:50]  I've said it before.
[00:33:51]  I'm going to say it again, real quick.
[00:33:52]  The hardest thing about being MAGA in 2026 is having to tell your dad you're gay.
[00:33:57]  Like, you just look.
[00:33:59]  It's this is objective, right?
[00:34:00]  It's not just a feeling or something like that.
[00:34:02]  This is the objective reality.
[00:34:04]  All the people that were never Trump in 2016, and not just 2016, right?
[00:34:08]  A lot of people have woken up and maybe, you know, like we have to leave room for people to evolve, for them to learn, for them to repent, right?
[00:34:15]  That's a big tenet of Christian theology is that people actually change.
[00:34:19]  What is repentance other than changing your mind?
[00:34:22]  So we have to allow for people to get something wrong and then to have a come to Jesus moment to see things, you know, see the light and.
[00:34:29]  And grow, evolve in their clarity of mind and their thoughts and their positions and all these kinds of things and actually change.
[00:34:36]  But it's not just never Trumpers from 2016.
[00:34:39]  This is as recent as 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023.
[00:34:44]  You've got guys who 18 months ago were clearly against Trump, were against Trump 18 months ago, and they are now in the highest positions, if not formally, some of them formally, but if not formally, informally, in terms of having the ear of the president.
[00:35:04]  Having his ear, being able to have their hands on the throttle and the steering wheel of these United States and the Trump administration.
[00:35:14]  And so, if you're wondering, man, you know, maybe it's me.
[00:35:17]  Maybe I'm the one who's changed, you know, and I just evolved and, you know, and I think it's for the better.
[00:35:22]  You know, I maintain that this was an improvement, a personal improvement in my doctrine, in my ideology, in my positions, political positions.
[00:35:31]  But I'll own the fact that it's not everybody else.
[00:35:35]  It's me.
[00:35:35]  I'm the one who's changed.
[00:35:36]  No, no.
[00:35:38]  We've all grown, we've all changed to some extent.
[00:35:41]  But no, that is not fundamentally what's going on.
[00:35:43]  It is not that a bunch of right wing people radically changed in their political.
[00:35:48]  Uh, thoughts and positions and theological thoughts and positions.
[00:35:52]  No, it is an objective reality that the MAGA administration has shifted, it has palpably shifted.
[00:36:01]  It is undeniable at this point.
[00:36:04]  You have Donald Trump, you know, being you know, Mark Levin with his arms around you know, Trump's shoulder.
[00:36:10]  Truth post where he says, If you're not, if you don't like Mark Levin, you're not MAGA.
[00:36:14]  It's like that is that is an about face 180 degrees change, yeah, from what MAGA was.
[00:36:21]  Not just 10 years ago.
[00:36:22]  And Mark Levin was anti MAGA.
[00:36:23]  He was anti Trump way back in the day.
[00:36:26]  How does that happen?
[00:36:26]  So it's clear to see what's going on here.
[00:36:28]  This is not just a bunch of based young men in their mother's basements who were never really MAGA and now have gone too far.
[00:36:36]  No, this is Trump changed, right?
[00:36:39]  MAGA left us.
[00:36:41]  Trump left us.
[00:36:43]  He changed.
[00:36:44]  And that's clear for anybody who's willing to acknowledge it.
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[00:40:28]  Although it's not explicitly called this in any Catholic doctrine or early church doctrine, the bulk of church history held to a view that you could call supersessionism.
[00:40:37]  Now, Detractors would call it replacement theology, kind of implying in this that God changed.
[00:40:41]  He replaced one chosen people with another chosen people.
[00:40:44]  We, those who hold to the view, tend to view it as, especially in Protestantism, we call it fulfillment theology.
[00:40:50]  But the idea is supersessionism, and it comes from this old word to supersede.
[00:40:55]  To supersede means to fulfill, to carry on, and to continue.
[00:40:59]  And the historic doctrine of the church has been, again, this is through the early church fathers, this is still the Catholic church teaching.
[00:41:06]  You can read numerous quotes from the popes on this.
[00:41:08]  You also, within the reform tradition, whether it be Calvin, whether it be Turretin, whether it be others, they all saw the Jews and the Christians and the promises and all of it this way that the promises that were given to Abraham are fulfilled in those who have faith in Jesus.
[00:41:24]  We're going to go to, I'm going to give it to Antonio.
[00:41:25]  You need to hear and listen to Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Augustine talking about this topic to realize this is the old way that Christians for over 1500 years almost universally thought.
[00:41:38]  Yeah, yeah, let's jump right in.
[00:41:39]  I think we've got these quotes, we'll pull them up, but let's take this one from Justin Martyr.
[00:41:42]  So this is a second century church father.
[00:42:08]  I'll just read another one quickly, and then we'll maybe hold the last one off after we give some commentary here.
[00:42:13]  But this one's from Irenaeus.
[00:42:15]  So this is again around the second century and against heresies, book five.
[00:42:20]  He says, This is a longer one, bear with us.
[00:42:23]  And again, in the same epistle, he plainly declares that they who have believed in Christ do receive Christ, the promise to Abraham, thus saying, The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed.
[00:42:34]  Now he does not say, and of seeds, as if he spoke of many, but as of one.
[00:42:39]  And to your seed, which is Christ.
[00:42:41]  So Christ is the seed here.
[00:42:42]  Galatians 3 16.
[00:42:44]  And again, confirming his former words, he says, Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness, know therefore that they which are of faith are the children of Abraham.
[00:42:54]  They, I'll say it again, they which are of faith are the children of Abraham.
[00:42:59]  But the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, declared to Abraham beforehand that in you shall all nations be blessed.
[00:43:08]  So then they which are of faith shall be blessed with faithful.
[00:43:12]  Abraham, Galatians 3 16, etc.
[00:43:14]  Thus then, they who are of faith shall be blessed with faithful Abraham, and these are the children of Abraham.
[00:43:20]  And I just want to quickly go back to the point about supersessionism.
[00:43:24]  In Reformed theology, the concept of typology, this concept that in the Old Testament, you see the shadows, in the New Covenant, you see the fulfillment, the greater things.
[00:43:35]  So you think about the ark, you think about Adam, you see the temple, you see all of these things as lesser versions of something that would come.
[00:43:46]  And in the case of Israel, that too is the case.
[00:43:49]  It is the case that in the children of Abraham's flesh were a shadow of what God would actually do spiritually for all people through his son, Christ, who is the seed.
[00:43:59]  And this is again going back to Irene's quote the seed is Christ.
[00:44:03]  And all who are grafted in, rooted through Christ into that promise are children of Abraham.
[00:44:08]  Amen.
[00:44:08]  Well said.
[00:44:09]  And that's why this question that's used as a constant gotcha, right, that was going viral over the weekend with myself and Jake Shields the question of, is Jesus a Jew?
[00:44:18]  Right?
[00:44:19]  That's why it's not an intellectually honest question because the term Jew in our modern day has been hijacked.
[00:44:29]  Right?
[00:44:29]  The better question, so it's basically like this: if Jesus is a Jew, and I would maintain that he is, okay, and I'll explain that in a moment, but if Jesus is a Jew, then I insist that Ben Shapiro and Bibi Netanyahu are not, right?
[00:44:45]  But if we're going to forfeit and concede that.
[00:44:50]  Modern Jews today are in fact Jews, then Jesus is not a Jew.
[00:44:56]  So, in a sense, with the definition of Jews.
[00:44:57]  Exactly.
[00:44:58]  So, the question is, is Jesus a Jew?
[00:45:00]  Is not really a helpful question.
[00:45:02]  The better question would be, are those who claim to be Jews today actually Jews?
[00:45:08]  In what way do they lay claim, right?
[00:45:12]  What is their claim to the inheritance of the Jews?
[00:45:15]  Because if we're asking, is Jesus the promised seed of Abraham?
[00:45:19]  Yes.
[00:45:19]  Did he descend from Isaac and Jacob?
[00:45:21]  Yes.
[00:45:22]  Is he of the line of the tribe of Judah?
[00:45:24]  Yes.
[00:45:25]  Is he a Jew in the sense that he's a Judean?
[00:45:28]  No, he was a Galilean.
[00:45:30]  But is he a Jew insofar as Jew becomes broader and more of a general term, not just to specifically describe Judeans, but in its later use to describe being synonymous with Hebrews or with all Israelites?
[00:45:43]  Yes.
[00:45:44]  Jesus, Nathanael says, he's a true Israelite in whom there is no guile.
[00:45:48]  So Jesus is a true Israelite.
[00:45:51]  He is of this messianic Jewish lineage.
[00:45:55]  He descends from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah.
[00:45:59]  He is a Hebrew.
[00:46:00]  He is a true Israelite.
[00:46:02]  In that sense, yes, Jesus is a Jew.
[00:46:05]  Is he Talmudic?
[00:46:07]  No.
[00:46:09]  Is he practicing Judaism under the Old Covenant?
[00:46:12]  No.
[00:46:14]  He is the one who spiritually, a parousia, that is a return, a coming of Christ.
[00:46:19]  He spiritually came as he promised in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24.
[00:46:23]  There was a second coming of Christ, spiritually, not physically, while seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty in his glorified body.
[00:46:31]  He spiritually, the spirit of the risen Christ, did in fact return to Jerusalem, not a global, but local judgment.
[00:46:38]  Over Israel in AD 70, and he raised R A Z E D, raised it to the ground.
[00:46:45]  He destroyed Israel.
[00:46:47]  He destroyed the nation state.
[00:46:48]  He destroyed the temple.
[00:46:50]  All these things in judgment of the very people who the Messiah came to, but they received him not.
[00:46:59]  They chose to stiffen their necks in unbelief and cried out, Give us Barabbas, a murderer, instead of Jesus.
[00:47:07]  Well, then what shall I do with Jesus?
[00:47:08]  Crucify him.
[00:47:10]  Right, let his blood be on us and our children.
[00:47:13]  So, Jesus did return spiritually in 8070 and judge those people.
[00:47:18]  So, there is no continuity religiously, theologically, with Judaism today and who Jesus was during his earthly ministry 2,000 years ago.
[00:47:28]  So, there is no continuity, religiously speaking, theologically speaking, even genetically speaking.
[00:47:34]  The question is, and I understand you can go both ways on this, but the better question is not, is Jesus genetically Jewish?
[00:47:42]  The question would be Are those who claim to be Jews today genetically Jewish?
[00:47:46]  Are they actually the genetic offspring of Abraham?
[00:47:48]  And there are a lot of different theories the Khazarian theory, which I think doesn't have a lot of credibility, the Edomite theory, which I think has more credibility.
[00:47:57]  What I ultimately, where I've pretty much landed, is I think that there is some genetic continuity between Ashkenazi Jews today and the genetic Abrahamic line that existed at the time of Christ.
[00:48:09]  However, I don't believe that Ashkenazi Jews have a monopoly.
[00:48:14]  Genetically speaking, I think that you will find Palestinians and other people spread throughout the world who are not claiming Jewish genetic status.
[00:48:22]  But actually, if we did run ransom tests, you would find that other people have just as much of a genetic claim to Christ and his lineage as those who are saying this is our birthright and a geopolitical claim to an inheritance of this land in the Middle East.
[00:48:40]  So, my point is Is Jesus a Jew?
[00:48:44]  Well, if we're using the term biblically, Then, yes, in which case a bunch of other guys who are claiming to be Jews are not right.
[00:48:52]  That's that's the point.
[00:48:53]  So, the better question is, are these people who call themselves Jews today Jews?
[00:48:58]  And we actually have to be fair, we can go to the Bible.
[00:49:00]  There's literally a verse in Revelation chapter uh three, I believe.
[00:49:05]  I think it might be verse seven or eight or nine.
[00:49:07]  Um, that says, Those who call themselves Jews and are not, but rather are a synagogue of Satan.
[00:49:14]  Can you guys look that up?
[00:49:15]  It's Revelation chapter, Revelation 2.
[00:49:17]  True.
[00:49:18]  Verse 9.
[00:49:19]  Okay, I got the verse right.
[00:49:20]  9.
[00:49:21]  So Revelation chapter 2, verse 9.
[00:49:22]  Go ahead and read it.
[00:49:23]  I know how you are slandered by those who call themselves Jews, but in fact are no Jews, but a synagogue of Satan.
[00:49:29]  Have no fear of what you will suffer.
[00:49:31]  Base.
[00:49:31]  For the record of all the things that you can put on X, you can put perverse content.
[00:49:34]  You can say you hate white people.
[00:49:36]  If you write out synagogue of Satan on X, that tweet will not show.
[00:49:39]  I've had it happen to me.
[00:49:40]  Funny how that works.
[00:49:41]  Yeah.
[00:49:42]  I actually want to jump to this next one quickly, just because what you were talking about in terms of the genetic definition of Jew and the theological definition of Jew.
[00:49:49]  Obviously, the theological definition being the most important.
[00:49:51]  Why?
[00:49:52]  Because that's the argument they actually make.
[00:49:54]  That's kind of the crux of everything is that because they are theologically Jewish, Christians ought to have some unique over and above allegiance to what we would consider covenant breakers, people who don't accept Christ.
[00:50:05]  They don't recognize him as the path to the Father, to God the Father.
[00:50:09]  But I want to read this quote from Augustine.
[00:50:11]  Some people say Augustine.
[00:50:13]  Okay, we're jumping to the fourth century, but I also want to emphasize as I'm pulling these quotes together, I could have chosen the third, the fourth, the fifth, I could have chosen several church fathers from every century throughout church history.
[00:50:24]  But this one in particular is really good.
[00:50:26]  So we're going to read this.
[00:50:27]  We'll pull it up here on the screen.
[00:50:29]  Augustine says Therefore, when the Lord himself came, the kingdom of the Jews was overthrown and removed from the Jews.
[00:50:37]  Now they have no king because they will not acknowledge the true king.
[00:50:42]  See now whether they must be called Jews.
[00:50:44]  Now ye do see that they must not be called Jews.
[00:50:47]  They must not be called Jews.
[00:50:49]  They have themselves, with their own voice, resigned that name so that they are not worthy to be called Jews except only in the flesh.
[00:50:59]  When did they sever themselves from the name?
[00:51:01]  They said, We have no king but Caesar.
[00:51:05]  John 19, 15.
[00:51:07]  There's a classic division and rival where we talk about Mark Levin.
[00:51:10]  Mark Levin, he is ethnically Jewish, but also religiously practicing.
[00:51:13]  And I think of Dennis Prager as well in the conservative movement.
[00:51:16]  Christians have become very close, very happy, very comfortable with teaming up with them on all sorts of issues.
[00:51:23]  I mean, Charlie Kirk himself, God rest his soul, I mean, he explicitly said, Like, Dennis Prager taught me so much of what I know.
[00:51:29]  But if you go back to the early church, you look at John Chrysostom.
[00:51:33]  He had eight homilies against the Jews because Christians and Jews were getting kind of close together.
[00:51:38]  And some Christians were saying, I mean, what's the harm in celebrating a Passover?
[00:51:42]  Like, heaven forbid a guy have a little bit of unleavened bread.
[00:51:45]  And so he has these whole eight homilies in addition to all his other writings, where again and again and again he goes after and says, No, you are the children of God.
[00:51:54]  You have the promises.
[00:51:55]  And those who claim to be Jews, those who hold to these old things, those who reject Christ, what fellowship does light have with darkness?
[00:52:02]  This is one of his quotes on the Jews.
[00:52:04]  They are haters of God.
[00:52:05]  They never cease to blaspheme his name.
[00:52:08]  Their synagogue is a brothel, a den of scoundrels, the temple of demons.
[00:52:13]  He has these entire homilies again and again saying, Don't practice their ceremonies.
[00:52:17]  Don't go back to their rituals.
[00:52:19]  Don't observe this.
[00:52:20]  Don't have fellowship with them.
[00:52:21]  They are those that have rejected Christ.
[00:52:24]  And what fellowship does light have with darkness?
[00:52:27]  And is it a coincidence that in our time, as we've been happy to invite Orthodox Jews and to share the stage with them, that our leaders have gotten in bed with them?
[00:52:35]  You're Donald Trump.
[00:52:36]  You're Mark Levin, it's funny, I saw something.
[00:52:38]  Lindsey Graham, he's like, guys, don't worry.
[00:52:40]  Benjamin Netanyahu is alive.
[00:52:41]  I was intimate with him last night.
[00:52:43]  It's a little bit on the nose, but honestly, there's probably some truth to it.
[00:52:47]  He's like, guys, I was there.
[00:52:49]  He's alive.
[00:52:49]  No, we've gotten in bed with people who hate God, and the result of it, Christians and Christian historic theology pushed to the side, and their values, their rights upheld.
[00:52:59]  In terms of getting in bed with those who are explicitly against the Lord Jesus Christ, this is one of the very things that red pilled me and caused me to wake up a little bit.
[00:53:07]  So I love.
[00:53:08]  The reformed tradition.
[00:53:09]  I am of the reformed tradition.
[00:53:11]  The reformed ghetto that exists in the year of our Lord 2026, those who are in reformed denominations and churches, reformed ministers today, not the biggest fan.
[00:53:22]  Most of them are absolutely autistic in all the worst ways, right?
[00:53:25]  There's the good autists, the Lord bless them, but these are the worst autists.
[00:53:30]  They are insufferable and meticulous about all these, like straining gnats and swallowing camels, is the best way to describe many modern reformed ministers today.
[00:53:41]  That said, not the Reformed ghetto or the Reformed camp in its modern day, but the Reformed tradition I hold dear.
[00:53:50]  But here's the deal.
[00:53:52]  Despite my particular tradition, one of the things that really woke me up was recognizing that all these Reformed guys who are meticulous with Reformed doctrine that is not always very friendly towards Roman Catholicism, that's an understatement, it is very unfriendly towards Reformed or Roman Catholicism.
[00:54:13]  What I noticed is that these guys are more than happy to publicly partner with Jews and yet will draw the line when it comes to Catholics.
[00:54:23]  And the irony is that many of the verses that Reformed fathers interpreted and applied to Rome, Roman Catholicism, those verses were explicitly written by the apostles, not against Roman Catholicism that didn't exist at the time, but against Judaism.
[00:54:42]  So the very verses in the New Testament written against Judaism by the apostles are later applied by the Reformed to not Judaism as they were intended, but Roman Catholicism.
[00:54:57]  And that's where I started to wake up and say, you know what, this is not in terms of co belligerence, in terms of who's on our team and who we can publicly partner with, who we can work together with in the realm of maybe not theologically, but politically and culturally.

=== Reformed Camps Draw Lines (02:15) ===

[00:55:13]  When it comes to making those determinations, when it comes to drawing the lines of who's in and who's out, who's on our team, who can we partner with, and who.
[00:55:20]  Who do we anathematize?
[00:55:22]  That's when I started realizing there was something fishy going on in my own camp, the Reformed camp, when these bigwigs in the Reformed world, which is a very small world, so big fish in a small pond, but when the Reformed voices, public voices today in the year of our Lord 2026, were drawing the line with Catholics but accepting Jews.
[00:55:44]  All of a sudden I was like, wait a second, wait a second, what's going on?
[00:55:48]  So these guys that we have significant, I don't want to underplay it, we have significant theological disagreements with.
[00:55:55]  AKA the Roman Catholics.
[00:55:57]  They're out.
[00:55:58]  But these other guys who believe that Jesus is currently burning in hell, they're in.
[00:56:04]  Right?
[00:56:04]  Catholics, say what you will, Catholics, they believe and worship the triune God.
[00:56:10]  1 John says, Who is the Antichrist?
[00:56:13]  He that has denied that Jesus has come in the flesh.
[00:56:17]  Who denies?
[00:56:18]  I mean, let's just think about it logically, literally, for a moment.
[00:56:22]  Which group of people denies that Jesus has come in the flesh?
[00:56:27]  Do Catholics deny that?
[00:56:28]  No, of course not.
[00:56:30]  Do Jews deny that?
[00:56:32]  Yes.
[00:56:33]  And all of a sudden, I found, and here's the deal this is where guys get in trouble.
[00:56:38]  Ever since 2020, we've seen guys get in trouble because they're willing to be objective and unbiased to the extent that they even will point out the inconsistencies, the hypocrisy in their own camp, on their own team.
[00:56:54]  And I've gotten a lot of flack for saying this, but I noticed on my own team within the Reformed.
[00:57:01]  Team that guys were drawing a hard line on principle against the Catholics.
[00:57:07]  But then those same guys were more than happy to do something with Andrew Clavin and the Daily Wire or do something over here with a Mormon like Glenn Beck or criticize our veterans with a USS Liberty on the stage with TPUSA, which is, guys, let's just say it TPUSA is Jewish.

=== Grace vs Merit Debate (05:34) ===

[00:57:28]  I know that we love Charlie Kirk and we appreciate Charlie Kirk.
[00:57:31]  He did a lot of good.
[00:57:32]  He was wrong on this issue of Israel.
[00:57:35]  He was changing on this issue.
[00:57:37]  And I think that's clear from both his public remarks, especially when Charlie was not a fan of going to war with Iran.
[00:57:44]  That is clear publicly.
[00:57:45]  And then for those who knew him well, even privately, it seems as though behind the scenes, he was changing his mind on whether or not the GOP, whether or not Christians in the Republican Party should be pro Israel.
[00:57:58]  Okay.
[00:57:58]  So Charlie Kirk, he was changing.
[00:58:00]  He did a lot of good.
[00:58:01]  He was bad on this issue, but even this issue he was bad on, Pro Israel, MIGA, even that, it seems as though he was repenting, changing his mind.
[00:58:09]  But whatever TPUSA was doing, they're not doing anymore.
[00:58:12]  When Charlie Kirk died, that was the nail in the coffin, quite literally.
[00:58:16]  And TPUSA doubled down and said, What we are going to be moving forward is the worst of what Charlie Kirk was.
[00:58:23]  I mean, just to add meat to that bones.
[00:58:26]  In December, Erica Kirk announced that TPUSA every year at its annual festival will hold a Shabbat dinner to combat anti Semitism, celebrating the Jewish Sabbath, which is, remember, Why did Jews, why did Old Testament Christians celebrate Sabbath on Saturday?
[00:58:41]  They were looking forward to rest.
[00:58:43]  Christian, the Christian Sabbath is Sunday, the first day of the week, meaning we work from rest.
[00:58:47]  The day that Christ Jesus was raised from the dead.
[00:58:50]  They were looking forward to Saturday, to the end of the week, rest.
[00:58:52]  They were looking forward to Christ, looking forward to the Messiah.
[00:58:56]  Christ rose on the first day of the week.
[00:58:57]  It's anti Christ, and it's anti gospel.
[00:58:59]  And it's anti American.
[00:59:00]  The Jew is working all week long so that they might merit or earn God's favor to be allowed to rest at the end of the week as a reward for all their hard work because it's their work.
[00:59:12]  That ultimately accomplish favor with God.
[00:59:14]  Whereas the Christian says, No, we start by grace and out of that place of rest given to us at the first day of the week, not by merit, not by what we've done, so that no man can boast, but God gives freely the gift of resting in Christ.
[00:59:30]  He is our Sabbath rest, and it comes on the first day of the week, the day that the Lord Jesus was raised from the dead.
[00:59:36]  And then we are not working to merit God's favor, merit his eternal rest, merit salvation.
[00:59:42]  But rather, we respond the next six days of the week as a response of gratitude for the free rest in Christ that we have received.
[00:59:50]  These are diametrically opposed views.
[00:59:53]  One is Christ, one is Antichrist, one is rest, one is work, one is gospel, one is the antithesis of the gospel.
[01:00:03]  It is against free grace, right?
[01:00:06]  And I know that these are the arguments that Reformed guys have made ultimately against Roman Catholics.
[01:00:11]  But whatever might be true, In regards to the opposition between historically reformed Protestants and Roman Catholics, whatever may be true there, and there are some things that are true, multiply them by gajillion, and it's true in terms of the difference between us and Jews, us and Judaism.
[01:00:35]  So that's where there was a major red flag because if it was on principle and principle alone, if it was objective and not from a place of bias, then we would see major reformed voices drawing a line with.
[01:00:49]  Roman Catholics, but then if it's aligned with Roman Catholics, they would have drawn a chasm between themselves and Jews, but they didn't.
[01:00:58]  They're happy to partner with Daily Wire, happy to partner with TPUSA, happy to partner with any Jewish conception you could possibly imagine, but then drawing the line with Catholics.
[01:01:09]  Coincidentally, Catholics, who we would disagree on certain issues in terms of God's MO in soteriology, how does he save, the modus operandi, we would disagree.
[01:01:21]  In terms of certain, not all, but certain aspects of providence or sovereignty.
[01:01:26]  Okay?
[01:01:27]  But one of the things that we would not disagree with Catholics at all, Roman Catholics, is their historic view in regards to Judaism, in regards to supersessionism, in regards to Christians being the ultimate fulfillment, Christ being the ultimate fulfillment, and then us by virtue of union with Christ, he's the vine, we are the branches, that we are the recipients, the benefactors, the inheritors of all of these promises that were made, not Jews, but Christians,
[01:01:58]  that the church is the fulfillment of.
[01:02:01]  Israel.
[01:02:01]  Catholics have held that position consistently for 2,000 years.
[01:02:06]  And yet Catholics are out, right?
[01:02:09]  And the reform guys will say, well, they're out because of their works based doctrine.
[01:02:12]  Nobody has more works based doctrine than Jews.
[01:02:16]  Yeah.
[01:02:16]  Well, listen to this prayer that used to be used annually on Good Friday.
[01:02:20]  It was a prayer for the Jews in Catholic doctrine.
[01:02:22]  The form of the verse used between 1570 and 1955 read this Let us pray also for the faithless Jews that Almighty God may remove the veil from their hearts so that they too may acknowledge Jesus Christ.
[01:02:33]  Our Lord, Almighty and eternal God, who does not exclude even thy mercy from Jewish faithlessness, hear our prayers, which we offer to the blindness of the people that acknowledge the light of thy truth, which is Christ, that they may be delivered from their darkness through the same Jesus Christ, our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee forever.
[01:02:50]  Amen.
[01:02:51]  Again and again in the church in the past, they prayed for the Jews, they witnessed to them, they evangelized, but they said, You are held at arm's length.
[01:02:58]  That's right.
[01:02:58]  Jerusalem is not yours.
[01:03:00]  The church is not yours.
[01:03:01]  The public square is not yours.

=== Civil Fathers Orient Hearts (07:58) ===

[01:03:03]  We love for you.
[01:03:04]  We welcome you.
[01:03:05]  And it was a powerful.
[01:03:06]  Witnessing tool.
[01:03:08]  You're not good with God.
[01:03:09]  You're not set up.
[01:03:10]  Your works aren't enough.
[01:03:12]  And even here in society, you don't get to participate like Christians do.
[01:03:16]  The state, the church, all of that, it's by Christ administered for his people.
[01:03:20]  You're not included and you're welcomed in.
[01:03:23]  You're invited warmly in.
[01:03:25]  Put your works away and come to Christ.
[01:03:27]  And we're going to pray for you to that end, but we're not going to give you inclusion as if you share the same place.
[01:03:32]  As if you worship the same God.
[01:03:34]  It's not going to be that way.
[01:03:35]  It's so elementary, I think, just theologically, if you're understanding the gospel, is that if you're not in the new covenant in Christ, You are an enemy.
[01:03:42]  You are in hostility.
[01:03:43]  It is no different for the Jew.
[01:03:45]  It is no different for the Muslim or the quote unquote atheist or agnostic.
[01:03:48]  You are at enmity with God.
[01:03:51]  And there's only one thing for the church to do, which is to witness, to pray that you would repent, to pray for your soul.
[01:03:58]  And you would think a child would understand this, but here you have these reform, even reform, it's just crazy to think about reform ministers just doing these intellectual hoops just to make a case that in this current place and time, politically speaking, We should be supporting this nation on the other side of the world.
[01:04:15]  The most hateful thing that you could possibly do, if love is defined as willing, wishing, working towards the highest good of your neighbor.
[01:04:26]  And I think that that is how love is defined.
[01:04:28]  1 John and the book of James, for that matter, and many of the teachings of Christ in the gospel accounts, is that love is not merely in word, but in deed.
[01:04:39]  True love is to love your neighbor and to do so tangibly.
[01:04:43]  Practically, not just to wish him well, but to, if he's cold and naked, to clothe him, to see that he is warm and well fed, to meet his physical needs.
[01:04:55]  Word is indeed, it's with hands and feet, actions, not just word.
[01:05:00]  And so the Bible says true love is for neighbor and it's real, it's practical, it's tangible.
[01:05:07]  Secondly, the highest form of love is to do that, to work towards, to will the good.
[01:05:14]  The real good, tangible good of your neighbor, and to do so for his highest good, his eternal good, his spiritual good, for the good of not just his body, but his soul.
[01:05:25]  And so I maintain that the pinnacle of true love, Christian love, as biblically defined, is to work towards the eternal highest good of your neighbor.
[01:05:37]  And therefore, by that definition of love, which I believe is biblical and fair, by that definition of love, then the antithesis, true hate, the pinnacle of hate, it is the most hateful thing you can do to carve out some kind of.
[01:05:55]  Facade, a pseudo adjacent space for someone that is objectively outside of Christ and therefore bound for help, and yet console and comfort and lull the individual to sleep, spiritual sleep, saying, You're okay, peace, peace, when they have no peace, not just geopolitically or in terms of peace with men, but they have no peace with God.
[01:06:21]  And here you are prophesying as a false, heretical prophet saying, Peace, peace.
[01:06:26]  You have peace with God.
[01:06:28]  You have some place.
[01:06:28]  Yes, I'm a Christian at the end of the day, so I think Christianity is the most true.
[01:06:34]  But there's Christianity, and then there's things that are just definitely don't have peace with God, the antithesis to Christianity, like Islam.
[01:06:41]  But then there's this halfway house that we'd love for you to become a Christian.
[01:06:45]  That would be better, that would be ideal, but you're still ultimately okay.
[01:06:49]  You've got some kind of adjacent, Christian adjacent space where you can be consoled, where you have spiritual safety.
[01:06:58]  And that's Judaism.
[01:07:00]  If true love, biblical love, is willing and working towards the highest eternal good of our neighbor, and if being outside of Christ and rejecting Him ultimately merits the eternal wrath of God in hell, and Jews do that, and we are consoling them, making them feel as though they're one of us, they're on the team, that they have some kind of spiritual consolation, some kind of covenant, some kind of blessing from God,
[01:07:28]  when All of that is actually in the objective absent, and they're actually currently under the wrath, the just wrath of God, lest they repent of their sins and convert in faith to the Lord Jesus Christ.
[01:07:41]  But we seek to persuade them otherwise.
[01:07:46]  That is, by every biblical definition, hate.
[01:07:51]  You want to talk about Jew hate?
[01:07:53]  You want to talk about Jew hate.
[01:07:59]  That Jews are under the white hot wrath of God lest they repent and put faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and somehow telling them that despite that reality, you know, you as a Christian, you know better, and yet still consoling them, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no spiritual peace between them and God because they've rejected the one bridge between a fallen man and a thrice holy God, that is the Lord Jesus Christ, and yet we preach peace, peace, as false,
[01:08:27]  heretical prophets to them at the Cost and the weight of their soul being eternally damned, that's Jew hate.
[01:08:35]  And I reject it because at the end of the day, I am not actually an anti Semite.
[01:08:39]  I want to see Jews come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and Christians are currently standing in their way.
[01:08:46]  The greatest blessing I had was being raised in a Christian home where my dad instructed me in the Christian faith, expected it of me.
[01:08:52]  And so, taking then earthly fathers at the home level, apply that to spiritual fathers and civil fathers.
[01:08:58]  So, if the Christian father blesses the children under his care, By instructing them in Christian obedience, teaching them the Christian faith, commanding them not to turn to the left and to the right to go after false religions?
[01:09:08]  How much more should the spiritual father, aka the pastor and the elder in the church, warn his congregation about the risk of Judaizing, of going back to the old system?
[01:09:17]  And then, how much more people don't like this one go to the civil father who is tasked with caring for the people?
[01:09:23]  How much more also should he, the same way the earthly father does at a micro level, do it at the macro level and say, We're not going to hold hands together with Mark Levin and with Dennis Prager.
[01:09:33]  These men are not supposed to be leaders.
[01:09:35]  These men don't lay out an example.
[01:09:37]  They're not on our team.
[01:09:38]  And so, you people of my province, I'm not going to come to your house and who are you praying to?
[01:09:43]  Show me your thoughts.
[01:09:44]  It's not forced conversions, but publicly.
[01:09:47]  You can't worship in this.
[01:09:49]  My dad never told me when I was 16, you know, son, you should go check out the mosque and see what it's like there and see what you think of it and head over to the synagogue and do that.
[01:09:57]  Really try it for yourself.
[01:09:59]  No, he said, you're going to church on Sunday.
[01:10:00]  That's right.
[01:10:01]  And the Christian prince also has a responsibility to say, I can't literally force you to have faith in Jesus, but I can say, you're not allowed to have a synagogue.
[01:10:08]  You're not allowed to have a mosque.
[01:10:09]  You're not allowed to have a temple.
[01:10:11]  And it is good, right, and loving to do so.
[01:10:14]  Because a civil magistrate is a civil father.
[01:10:17]  And one of his duties as a civil father is to orient the hearts, Of the citizens towards their heavenly good.
[01:10:25]  If he lowers taxes, if he protects them from immigration, if he makes sure that everybody is able to feed their family and cares for his people temporally so that they live good, peaceful lives for 80, 85 years, but ultimately does nothing towards their heavenly good so that at the end of it all their soul is damned and they spend eternity in hell, then he has failed in his role.
[01:10:46]  A good civil father, like any good father, whether it be familial or ecclesiastical or civil or political, Should orient his people, those under his care, towards their eternal good, towards heavenly good.

=== Connecting the Dots (15:15) ===

[01:11:02]  And I think that that's conducive with America's founding.
[01:11:06]  I think that that can be done even in light of the Constitution by getting back to authorial intent in the First Amendment, by getting back to the roots, and simply not undoing or contradicting, but simply choosing to be explicit, filling in some of the blanks.
[01:11:22]  It's not even using the eraser and getting rid of certain portions of our founding.
[01:11:28]  But it's simply going back and looking at some of the blanks that were left and explicitly having the courage and the love to fill in those blanks.
[01:11:36]  Things that the founders left blank because they were a product of place and time and could not conceive of the issues and challenges that we would face today.
[01:11:43]  But with the hindsight that we have, which is 2020, going back now and saying, I'm not undoing the heritage of our nation.
[01:11:51]  I'm simply now, with more clarity, we know that these things that were left blank actually need to be filled in.
[01:11:57]  Reinforced.
[01:11:57]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:11:59]  All right.
[01:12:00]  I think that that's just about it.
[01:12:01]  Any final word from you guys?
[01:12:03]  Any final things you want to cover?
[01:12:05]  I don't think so.
[01:12:05]  Nope.
[01:12:06]  That was great.
[01:12:06]  I think it's great.
[01:12:07]  All right.
[01:12:07]  So let's go ahead and do this.
[01:12:08]  We've got a couple of super chats we want to honor.
[01:12:11]  The first one comes from the Edgerow Whistle.
[01:12:14]  This is a super chat that says, Christ is King.
[01:12:18]  All will bend the knee to him.
[01:12:20]  Amen.
[01:12:20]  That's true.
[01:12:21]  Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
[01:12:25]  Every knee will bow in this life by grace, or it will bow in the life to come.
[01:12:30]  Because the knees that will, Matthew Henry said this, every knee that does not bow by grace will break, because he who rules the nations with an iron scepter will break their kneecaps on the final day if they chose to harden their heart and rebel against him.
[01:12:43]  Every knee will bow.
[01:12:45]  It will either bow by force or it will bow by grace.
[01:12:49]  And we pray that for everyone who is still here alive in our day and age, that the Lord Jesus would save them, reveal who he is to them, and that they would receive him.
[01:12:59]  Gladly.
[01:13:00]  Next super chat is another one from the Edgerow Whistle.
[01:13:04]  He says Alinsky's rules one, three, and five keep being weaponized, but they've failed.
[01:13:12]  Number seven, which is overuse makes the tactics a drag.
[01:13:17]  Calling all anti, fill in the blank, is eventually crying wolf.
[01:13:21]  That is absolutely true.
[01:13:24]  They have overplayed their hand.
[01:13:25]  The left, and I'm talking about the political left, but I'm also talking about the neocons that are ultimately on the left as well.
[01:13:35]  You may have an R by your name, but everybody who is ultimately underneath the sway of leftism, they have all overplayed their hand.
[01:13:43]  By saying anti Semitism or racism, bigotry, all of these things.
[01:13:47]  Yep.
[01:13:47]  All right.
[01:13:48]  I would just say, too, anti Semitism really wasn't a thing from the 60s into the 90s.
[01:13:53]  Jewish writers even said there was at one point in the 90s someone wrote, he said, anti Semitism appears to be just a historical artifact that we've had it in the past, it's occurred, but now we've moved on to this liberal age.
[01:14:03]  But again, the behavior and the worsening of the economic condition in the first world is what's brought all of this about.
[01:14:10]  So they understandably, it's kind of like, why would you say that's anti Semitic?
[01:14:14]  So you have pornography and you have OnlyFans and you have.
[01:14:16]  I mean, ridiculous usury rates as those grow in use.
[01:14:20]  Some people kind of began to connect the dots and they understandably knew this is kind of one of those things where you got to whack a mole as quick as it seems to begin to pop its head up.
[01:14:27]  Because if people begin to connect the dots, like, wait, you're telling me in the past people didn't pay for 30 year mortgages or 50 year mortgages, they just had enough money to buy their home outright?
[01:14:35]  What happened?
[01:14:36]  You're telling me fiat currency robs?
[01:14:37]  I think even Alejandro Mayarkis was the Department of Homeland Security, the head of it, appointed by Biden.
[01:14:43]  Those 20 million legal and illegal immigrants that came in during his reign.
[01:14:47]  During a reign, maybe a little bit too strong a word, his dictatorship.
[01:14:51]  Those millions and millions, tens of millions of immigrants, legal and illegal, that came in during Biden's administration, it was a Jewish Department of Homeland Security head.
[01:14:59]  So again and again, people connect the dots.
[01:15:01]  All these people are here that don't belong here.
[01:15:02]  Who let them in?
[01:15:03]  Man, I have to pay all of this money to a housing company that's making just hand over fist cash.
[01:15:09]  Oh, that system in itself is Jewish.
[01:15:12]  Oh, 15% of women under 30 in America are on OnlyFans.
[01:15:15]  Well, that's interesting who runs OnlyFans.
[01:15:17]  And again and again and again and again.
[01:15:19]  They connect the dots, and understandably, well, that's anti Semitic to criticize.
[01:15:23]  They're kind of right in that impulse.
[01:15:25]  The problem is there was just too much behavior going on, and it didn't work.
[01:15:28]  There's too many whack a mole now to try to keep down.
[01:15:30]  Right.
[01:15:31]  You want to get rid of anti Semitism, you have to get rid of Jewish influence.
[01:15:36]  Because Jewish influence, sadly, always works against the West and the good of Christians.
[01:15:42]  When Jews were more of a diaspora of Jews, and they had less influence before the Federal Reserve and all these different things.
[01:15:52]  Then, yes, there are periods in history where all of a sudden nobody really cares because at the end of the day, most people are not ideological.
[01:16:01]  Most people are coming up with their views based off of can I feed my family?
[01:16:07]  Do my kids have a decent education?
[01:16:09]  Are we able to take a vacation two weeks a year?
[01:16:12]  Am I able to celebrate Christmas without being told why I'm not actually an American?
[01:16:16]  Am I able to celebrate Easter without being told that Christ is King is an anti Semitic slur?
[01:16:23]  You know, if people are doing well, then guess what?
[01:16:26]  Um, anti Semitism seems to kind of go away.
[01:16:29]  The 70s, 80s, and 90s were called the Jewish golden age in America, right?
[01:16:33]  They didn't have a lot of influence, they were kind of still gate kept.
[01:16:36]  Yeah, they actually had it great, they weren't discriminated against.
[01:16:39]  But what they did is what they do time and time again get into power and subvert Gentile Christian culture.
[01:16:45]  You want to set up a hedge against uh Jewish hate.
[01:16:48]  Uh, one of the things necessary for that to happen is to not allow Jews to run your country because if you do, then all of a sudden.
[01:16:57]  They do things that are bad for your country and people start to hate them.
[01:17:00]  They get you into pointless wars in the Middle East.
[01:17:02]  Correct.
[01:17:03]  Or, you know, you get rack up $34 trillion of debt.
[01:17:05]  Someone else is going to hate you.
[01:17:06]  And then you look at the net wealth of the top 50 Jewish billionaires, and oh, lo and behold, it exactly equals the national debt.
[01:17:14]  It's those kinds of things, connecting those kinds of things.
[01:17:16]  Think about this it's the most anti Semitic generation, and we started a war, and they're dying for Israel.
[01:17:21]  How is that going to go?
[01:17:22]  How is the opinion polls going to play out when we've lost hundreds of U.S. troops on behalf of a war that's mostly for our ally in the Middle East, and it's also generally the most anti Semitic generation?
[01:17:32]  Is that going to improve relations?
[01:17:34]  Is that going to boost perception of Israel?
[01:17:36]  It's a suicide mission.
[01:17:37]  Yep.
[01:17:38]  All right.
[01:17:38]  Next super chat.
[01:17:39]  This is Pete B773.
[01:17:41]  He said, How can Jews claim lineage when in Malachi chapter 2 it states that the Levitical covenant has been corrupted and Judah is faithless, abomination, and profaned the sanctuary?
[01:17:55]  That's a great question.
[01:17:56]  That's a theological debate that people have been having forever.
[01:18:00]  Did God divorce Israel?
[01:18:02]  And I would say that biblically speaking, He most certainly did.
[01:18:05]  Then the question is, But did He divorce Judah?
[01:18:07]  Right?
[01:18:07]  Both were bad, but Judah.
[01:18:10]  If the ratio was like one in every five kings was good and four kings were bad, and that was kind of the batting average of Israel, then Judah would have been like one in every three kings was good and two and everything.
[01:18:20]  Like Judah consistently was bad and corrupt, but doing better than Israel.
[01:18:26]  And God, one of the things that we would say within Christian theology is that God preserved Judah, that He maintained some, not all, but some of that remnant in Judah and some of their faithfulness because even though He divorced Israel, He maintained a covenant with Judah in order through Judah to bring about the messianic promise, to bring about Christ.
[01:18:49]  But once that's been done, then in 8070, the whole thing ended and the covenant is done.
[01:18:55]  I just wanted to read some parallels here from the seven woes for the teachers of the law in Matthew 23 and then Malachi 2.
[01:19:01]  If you read this, you can see very clearly the parallels and what Christ is actually accusing the teachers of the law.
[01:19:06]  He says, This is Malachi 2, starting in verse 7 For the lips of the priest should guard knowledge, and people should seek instruction from his mouth, for he's the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
[01:19:15]  But you have turned aside from the way.
[01:19:16]  You have caused many to stumble with your instruction.
[01:19:20]  Now, going to Matthew 23, verse 13, Jesus says, But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces, for you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.
[01:19:34]  Wow.
[01:19:35]  Yep.
[01:19:36]  All right.
[01:19:37]  Next one.
[01:19:37]  Wes, you want to take it?
[01:19:38]  All right.
[01:19:39]  This is from Maloney Overall.
[01:19:41]  They gave a super chat.
[01:19:42]  We thank you for that.
[01:19:43]  It's Canadian dollars, and the comments about Canada.
[01:19:46]  So.
[01:19:46]  So it's worthless.
[01:19:47]  Yeah.
[01:19:48]  If anything, we actually probably owe you for it somehow.
[01:19:50]  It's worth negative dollars.
[01:19:52]  He said this man, you should speak up on your northern Christians getting the freedoms taken by the Canadian government with Bill C 19.
[01:19:57]  Bill C 19, 2022, is a budget implementation act and included amendments to the criminal code that added a new office prohibiting the will for promotion of anti Semitism, specifically by condoning, denying, or downplaying the Holocaust.
[01:20:10]  Jews be like, we don't run the world, and then make it illegal to criticize Jews.
[01:20:14]  Yeah.
[01:20:14]  Pretty incredible.
[01:20:16]  Okay.
[01:20:16]  Next one Reformed Farmer 1996.
[01:20:19]  He gave us a super chat and said, I have been in.
[01:20:21]  Informed by my lawyer that if I keep liking your posts and other people that are allegedly anti Semitic and MEGA, then my green card application for the US will be denied.
[01:20:38]  Keep up the good work.
[01:20:39]  Just finished your book.
[01:20:41]  Thanks for buying the book.
[01:20:42]  Thanks for reading it.
[01:20:42]  It is fantastic.
[01:20:44]  Thank you for your encouragement with our work.
[01:20:46]  And I would just say that in this case, you need to be as innocent as a dove and shrewd as a serpent.
[01:20:51]  Hide your power levels a little bit, get your green card first.
[01:20:54]  And then you can go back to posting P O A S T I N G.
[01:21:01]  The comment before it was like, How about this law in Canada that bans anti Semitism?
[01:21:06]  And then the next comment is, I'm trying to escape.
[01:21:08]  Help me do it.
[01:21:09]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:21:10]  Christ is King indeed is the next super chat.
[01:21:13]  He said, Marching to Zion documentary on YouTube has some great info.
[01:21:17]  I have not watched it.
[01:21:18]  I'll try to see.
[01:21:19]  I think it's Stephen.
[01:21:20]  What's his name?
[01:21:21]  Stephen Anderson.
[01:21:21]  Okay, cool.
[01:21:22]  Yeah, I've heard good things about that.
[01:21:23]  I've seen some clips from it.
[01:21:25]  And he's Stephen Anderson.
[01:21:26]  You know, we have our disagreements, but he's great on this topic.
[01:21:29]  Yeah.
[01:21:30]  Fantastic.
[01:21:31]  Okay, next one is, I don't know, Tays Re Correa.
[01:21:37]  I don't know.
[01:21:37]  What is your Christian name?
[01:21:39]  It's a little Spanish.
[01:21:40]  It's a little Spanish.
[01:21:41]  So I would just politely say, yes, yes, yes.
[01:21:43]  Tay Key Correa.
[01:21:45]  But please, sir.
[01:21:46]  Taqueria?
[01:21:47]  Taqueria.
[01:21:48]  So we have Taqueria here, and I would just say, if he was here in person, I'd say, yes, of course that's your name.
[01:21:53]  But please, sir, what is your Christian name?
[01:21:54]  All right, so we're going to call this, this guy is John Smith.
[01:21:57]  We appreciate that.
[01:21:59]  And John Smith wrote in, great episode.
[01:22:01]  It's not loving to tell Jews that they are chosen apart from Christ as they are chosen for nothing for hell without Him.
[01:22:11]  Check out One People of God.
[01:22:13]  So true, King.
[01:22:14]  Well said.
[01:22:15]  You're right.
[01:22:15]  It's not loving.
[01:22:16]  We are actually, if we're using biblical definitions of love and by way of consequence, hate, it is one of the most hateful things you can do console, saying peace, peace, when there is no peace, consoling Jews that they somehow have some kind of covenant, some kind of affirmation and peace with God apart.
[01:22:36]  From being in Christ.
[01:22:37]  You brought this up before too.
[01:22:39]  But the prodigal son, it would have been so cruel to him as he wallowed in his poverty to give him a handout to help him out and say, You haven't really done all that bad going off and squandering your inheritance with prostitutes, leaving your father's house.
[01:22:51]  Come inside and get a good meal.
[01:22:53]  No, he was left there and he had nothing.
[01:22:56]  And he watched, looked back to the father's house that was full of the riches.
[01:22:59]  And you can take the parable, the riches of Christ, the riches of Christendom.
[01:23:04]  And he said, What am I doing here?
[01:23:05]  That's right.
[01:23:06]  With the pigs.
[01:23:07]  And for Jews, they can't even eat bacon.
[01:23:08]  So they're with pigs and they can't even eat the most delicious part of the pig, which is bacon designed when nobody gives them a handout, designed to point them back and say, come home.
[01:23:17]  Right.
[01:23:17]  Amen.
[01:23:18]  Glass of milk, bacon, cheeseburger.
[01:23:20]  I'm a simple man.
[01:23:21]  This should be a prerequisite for holding office in these United States of America.
[01:23:25]  If you cannot drink a glass of milk in front of me and keep it down for the next 30 minutes.
[01:23:29]  Yeah.
[01:23:29]  And if you get indigestion too, like the Constitution's probably weak.
[01:23:33]  Even if you're not going to make it.
[01:23:34]  Even if you're willing to do it, but you can't biologically digest it, then it's like, I'm sorry, you're not an American.
[01:23:39]  You don't have the fortitude.
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