NXR Podcast - NXR Livestream - Will The Third Temple Ever Be Built? W/Dale Partridge & Calvin Robinson
Aired: 2026-03-13
Duration: 01:25:08


=== Rebuilding The Lost Temple (11:41) ===

[00:00:00]  Now, in the ritual, you're supposed to have hyssop.
[00:00:03]  I have also hyssop that is from the actual ritual and also the red heifer ashes.
[00:00:10]  And these get put into a clay jar and then sprinkled on people in a healing ritual.
[00:00:17]  And it removes the impurity of death and allows for people to heal.
[00:00:22]  Here's the thing I think the most fundamental difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Judaism actually believes in reincarnation.
[00:00:31]  And so the Messiah is here in every generation.
[00:00:34]  And there's a process by which we are awakened enough to accept the Messiah.
[00:00:40]  So if the Messiah doesn't come, he dies.
[00:00:43]  He's reconstituted, born into the matrix again, and has to find his way back to another thing.
[00:00:49]  We can't build the temple until this happened.
[00:00:53]  And now that this happened, the Messiah can come build the third temple in Jerusalem.
[00:00:58]  Why?
[00:00:59]  Because, like I said, we cannot build the temple.
[00:01:02]  We don't have the ability.
[00:01:03]  We don't have permission.
[00:01:05]  We will only do it when the Messiah comes.
[00:01:08]  But when the Messiah comes, none of these radical Muslim Nazi murderers will be left in the world anyway.
[00:01:15]  There will be not one anti Semite left in the world.
[00:01:18]  They will not have what to worry about if we will build the third temple.
[00:01:22]  They won't be around anyway.
[00:01:25]  They will enjoy the place as long as they are here.
[00:01:29]  But when God will send the Messiah to purify the world, as it's written in all the prophets, not one wicked Jew will.
[00:01:36]  And not one wicked Gentile will be left in the world.
[00:01:40]  And it got me thinking about another miracle that I hope all of you don't see too far away.
[00:01:46]  Because 1917 was a miracle, 1948 was a miracle, 1967 was a miracle, 2017, the declaration of Jerusalem as the capital was a miracle, and there's no reason why the miracle of the reestablishment of the temple on the Temple Mount is not possible.
[00:02:12]  I don't know how it would happen.
[00:02:13]  You don't know how it would happen, but I know that it could happen.
[00:02:18]  That's all I know.
[00:02:22]  And a step in that process, a step in every process, is the recognition that facts and activities on the ground truly matter.
[00:02:30]  And that's why going and visiting Judea and Samaria, understanding that sovereignty, the very sovereignty of Israeli soil, In Israeli cities, locations is a critical next step to showing the world that this is the land for Jews and the land of Israel.
[00:02:50]  The archetypal temple is the center of all true religious worship.
[00:02:54]  The temple is where God descends, communes with his people, and invites them into worship.
[00:03:00]  Whether it is the Kaaba in Islam or the Kashi in Hinduism, every religion has a point where heaven touches earth and consecrates dirt, grass, and wood.
[00:03:12]  Into a dwelling place of the divine.
[00:03:15]  The children of Israel knew this better than most.
[00:03:18]  During their journey in the wilderness, God dwelled with them in a mobile tabernacle.
[00:03:23]  The promise held out in conquest was that they would have a home, a land, and a permanent center of worship.
[00:03:31]  Following the powerful rule of David that solidified the Israelite kingdom, David's son Solomon commissioned the construction of the first temple.
[00:03:41]  When completed, its majesty was unparalleled.
[00:03:44]  Kings and queens from far off visited to behold its beauty, marvel at its construction, and praise the God of Israel.
[00:03:54]  If you know your Bible history, you know that the first temple was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BC.
[00:04:01]  Nebuchadnezzar II razed it to the ground and took the Jews into exile.
[00:04:07]  The destruction was one of the most formative psychological and theological shocks in Jewish history.
[00:04:13]  The temple in Jerusalem was a dwelling place of God.
[00:04:16]  The Davidic monarchy guaranteed national continuity, and the land of Israel was the homeland of their fathers.
[00:04:23]  Now the temple was rubble.
[00:04:25]  The Davidic king Zedekiah deposed.
[00:04:27]  And the majority of Jews deported.
[00:04:30]  In 539 BC, the Persian king Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon and issued a decree permitting displaced peoples to return to their homelands and rebuild their sanctuaries.
[00:04:43]  For the Jews, this meant a return to Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the temple that had long been lost.
[00:04:50]  Under leaders such as Zerubbabel and the high priest Joshua, the foundations of a new temple were laid.
[00:04:56]  The work was slow and difficult.
[00:04:59]  The returning population was small.
[00:05:01]  The city walls lay broken, and surrounding peoples resisted the effort.
[00:05:07]  Yet by 516 BC, roughly 70 years after the destruction of Solomon's temple, a new sanctuary stood on the Temple Mount.
[00:05:17]  But the second temple began humbling.
[00:05:20]  Those who remembered Solomon's temple wept when they saw its modest scale.
[00:05:25]  The Ark of the Covenant was gone.
[00:05:26]  The glory that once filled the sanctuary in the days of Moses and Solomon was no longer visible.
[00:05:33]  Still, the altar burned again.
[00:05:36]  Sacrifices resumed.
[00:05:38]  Pilgrims once more ascended to Jerusalem for the great feast.
[00:05:41]  The temple lived again as the heart of Jewish worship.
[00:05:46]  Over the centuries, the temple endured empire after empire.
[00:05:49]  The Jews passed from Persian rule to the Greeks following the conquest of Alexander the Great.
[00:05:55]  Under the Seleucid king Antiochus Epiphanes, the temple suffered a new desecration in 167 BC when pagan sacrifices were imposed upon its altar.
[00:06:07]  This sacrilege provoked the revolt of the Judah Maccabee and his brothers.
[00:06:13]  After fierce fighting, the rebels reclaimed Jerusalem and purified the sanctuary, an event still remembered in the Jewish feast of Hanukkah.
[00:06:22]  A century later, the Jewish kingdom fell under Roman influence.
[00:06:25]  When the client King Herod the Great came to power, he undertook one of the most ambitious building projects in the ancient world.
[00:06:33]  Beginning around 20 BC, Herod dramatically expanded and rebuilt the temple complex.
[00:06:40]  Vast retaining walls were erected, the platform of the Temple Mount was enlarged, and the sanctuary itself was reconstructed in white stone and gold.
[00:06:50]  Ancient sources say that from a distance the temple flashed like a snow covered mountain in the sun.
[00:06:56]  Pilgrims from across the Jewish world traveled to Jerusalem to see it and to offer sacrifices during the great feast.
[00:07:05]  Yet beneath the magnificence lay deep tension.
[00:07:08]  Roman occupation weighed heavily on Judea.
[00:07:11]  Messianic hopes intensified.
[00:07:14]  Various factions, priests, zealots, reformers, and revolutionaries, contested the future of the Jewish people and the meaning of the temple itself.
[00:07:24]  In AD 66, open revolt broke out against Rome.
[00:07:28]  Four years later, the Roman legions under Titus besieged Jerusalem.
[00:07:32]  The city was starved, divided by internal fighting, and finally breached.
[00:07:38]  In AD 70, Roman soldiers stormed the temple complex.
[00:07:42]  The sanctuary was burned, its treasures carried away, and the Temple Mount left in ruins.
[00:07:48]  Once again, the center of Jewish worship had vanished.
[00:07:51]  The place where sacrifices were offered, where priests ministered, where heaven and earth were believed to meet, was now gone.
[00:07:59]  And once again, the loss would reshape Jewish life, theology, and longing for generations to come.
[00:08:07]  Yet, even after the temple fell, the idea of rebuilding it never disappeared.
[00:08:12]  Nearly three centuries later, the Roman emperor Julian the Apostate, a pagan ruler who rejected the Christian faith that had come to dominate the empire, Announced an extraordinary plan.
[00:08:25]  In AD 362, he authorized the Jews to rebuild their temple in Jerusalem.
[00:08:31]  Preparations reportedly began with enthusiasm, but the project quickly collapsed under a series of disasters.
[00:08:38]  Ancient sources describe earthquakes and bursts of fire erupting from the foundations as workers attempted to clear the site.
[00:08:46]  Julian was killed during a military campaign against Persia in AD 363.
[00:08:53]  With his death, the imperial sponsorship vanished.
[00:08:57]  And the temple has remained in ruins.
[00:09:00]  Centuries after its destruction, the longing to rebuild the temple still lingered in the imagination of both Jews and their rivals.
[00:09:09]  For 1900 years, the Jews hated the Christians that claimed their Messiah, their patriarchs, and their promises.
[00:09:16]  They slaughtered Christians and burned Christian churches when the Persians captured Jerusalem in 614 AD.
[00:09:23]  They kidnapped and murdered the children of Christian parents for Passover rituals.
[00:09:28]  They charged exorbitant interest and traded debt.
[00:09:31]  Often getting them kicked out by the Christian monarchs.
[00:09:35]  Across the centuries, the Jewish people survived but rarely thrived.
[00:09:39]  Expulsions from England, France, and Spain, recurring pogroms in Eastern Europe, and the slow suffocation of life inside ghettos hardened a scattered people into a nation without a state.
[00:09:53]  By the late 19th century, with the old order of empires breaking apart and nationalism sweeping Europe, many Jews concluded that survival in exile would always be precarious.
[00:10:06]  The modern Zionist movement emerged from this realization.
[00:10:09]  If every nation sought a homeland, the Jews would need one as well.
[00:10:14]  Waves of immigration began to return Jews to the supposed land of their fathers.
[00:10:19]  What had once been a memory in scripture and prayer was slowly becoming a geopolitical project.
[00:10:27]  Among some Orthodox Jews, this return to the land awakened an older and far more radical hope that the restoration of Israel was not merely political, but Preparatory.
[00:10:40]  If the people had returned and Jerusalem was again under Jewish control, then the ancient center of worship, the temple itself, might one day rise again on the Mount where it had stood for nearly a thousand years.
[00:10:54]  Religious Judaism needs a temple.
[00:10:56]  For two thousand years, there have been no high priest to offer sacrifices, no altar for the Day of Atonement, no priestly system capable of carrying out the commands of the Torah as they had once been practiced.
[00:11:10]  For many religious Jews, the absence of the temple is not merely symbolic.
[00:11:15]  It is an unfinished chapter of history waiting to be restored.
[00:11:19]  Yet, the question does not stop in Jerusalem.
[00:11:22]  In modern politics, the loudest and most consistent supporters of Israel have often been American evangelicals, many of whom also see prophetic meaning in the rebuilding of the temple.
[00:11:35]  If a serious movement to build a third temple were to emerge, would those same Christians support it?

=== Today's Third Temple Focus (05:28) ===

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[00:13:23]  Joel Webbin.
[00:13:25]  I'm gonna talk about Joel Webbin.
[00:13:27]  Joel Webbin is an excellent.
[00:13:46]  We've had Second Temple, yes, but have we had Third Temple?
[00:13:49]  That's going to be our discussion today on this episode.
[00:13:52]  But first, I want to do some introductions.
[00:13:54]  We are privileged to have two special guests in house, in the studio, in the flesh.
[00:13:59]  We have Dale Partridge, as well as Calvin Robinson.
[00:14:02]  I'm going to give just a moment.
[00:14:03]  You probably know who these guys are, but if you're new to NXR and maybe you haven't been following these two accounts, I'm going to let them introduce themselves now.
[00:14:11]  Dale, who are you?
[00:14:12]  Yeah, pastor of Kingsway Church in Prescott, Arizona.
[00:14:17]  Also author of.
[00:14:19]  Many, too many books, too many pamphlets, too many pamphlets.
[00:14:23]  Book is generous.
[00:14:24]  Go ahead, cover of glory was pretty long, yeah, it was pretty long, but uh, yeah, wrote a book called The Israel Delusion, uh, a kid's catechism.
[00:14:33]  Um, you know, do social media, you find me on X, that's where you know most of my content could be found.
[00:14:38]  My kids love your uh, your children's book on um, on gender roles, yes.
[00:14:44]  I actually just, yeah, uh, you know, just signed one for Nate, nice to his kids, yeah, his kids love it too, yeah.
[00:14:50]  Teach your kids what it means to be a boy and what it means to be a girl.
[00:14:52]  Amen.
[00:14:53]  Amen, man.
[00:14:53]  All right.
[00:14:54]  Calvin, who are you?
[00:14:55]  I am pastor of St. Paul's Church of Grand Rapids.
[00:14:58]  I host a show called Calvin's Common Sense Crusade.
[00:15:01]  And as of this year, I am what the Times of Israel, The Guardian, and the Rolling Stones call the Nazi priest.
[00:15:07]  Wow.
[00:15:08]  High honors.
[00:15:10]  The Nazi priest.
[00:15:11]  Even being half black, you still got Nazi.
[00:15:15]  That's impressive.
[00:15:16]  Well done.
[00:15:17]  Thank you.
[00:15:18]  All right.
[00:15:18]  Okay.
[00:15:19]  So today's episode, we're going to be talking about the Third Temple, but.
[00:15:23]  Actually, one more announcement because we have a few things that we're working on together.
[00:15:28]  And so we've got a couple books.
[00:15:31]  If you guys are not familiar, there's one book on the shelf back behind me, and I can't reach it.
[00:15:36]  It's way back there.
[00:15:37]  You got to get the depth of field, right?
[00:15:38]  So you got to make sure that the backdrop is like 20 miles behind you.
[00:15:42]  But it's called The Hyphenated Heresy, Judeo Christianity is the subtitle.
[00:15:48]  So The Hyphenated Heresy, Judeo Christianity.
[00:15:51]  I co authored this book with Jordan Hall.
[00:15:54]  And he is a fantastic writer.
[00:15:56]  The book is good.
[00:15:57]  And one of the reasons it's good is because he did the lion's share of writing the book.
[00:16:02]  So I had my input, I was involved with the process.
[00:16:07]  But Jordan, who is a much better writer than I am, he did a lot of the heavy lifting.
[00:16:11]  And it's a beast.
[00:16:12]  It's a door stopper.
[00:16:13]  It's 250 pages, and probably about a third of the book is footnotes.
[00:16:18]  It's a lot of footnotes, a lot of receipts.
[00:16:20]  And so that was our first publication with NXR Studios.
[00:16:24]  And it's done really well.
[00:16:25]  We're already sitting at about 4,000.
[00:16:28]  Copies sold at this point, and it's been just a little over two months.
[00:16:32]  So that's encouraging.
[00:16:34]  So a lot of people have been blessed by it.
[00:16:36]  But we have two more books that are going to be coming out this year that we're very excited about.
[00:16:40]  The first that you can expect is from our very own Calvin Robinson.
[00:16:45]  What's the book called?
[00:16:45]  What's it about?
[00:16:46]  It's The Silent Jihad, and it's about how the Mohammedans took over Britain and much of Western Europe, how you can prevent it from happening here in America, and how we can take back Christendom, essentially, from the Mohammedans.
[00:16:58]  Awesome.
[00:16:58]  I saw our statistic, Calvin, at Probably the early 19th century, it was something like 50,000 Muslims that lived within Greater Europe, and now it's over 50 million.
[00:17:07]  Does that sound about right?
[00:17:08]  Absolutely, it's insane.

=== Music And Christian Lyrics (15:15) ===

[00:17:09]  Like, white Britons and Christians are a minority in Christian cities in the United Kingdom now.
[00:17:15]  Mohammedans are taking over.
[00:17:16]  Christianity is now no longer the predominant faith in Britain for the first time in a thousand years.
[00:17:21]  Like, it's all being taken over.
[00:17:22]  Anglo Brits in London are, isn't it like one out of four?
[00:17:26]  It's like 25%.
[00:17:27]  I don't know, it's getting lower, yeah.
[00:17:31]  We're seeing the same things happening out here in New York that we're seeing in London.
[00:17:34]  You know, Mandani this week has been bombing the air, prayer mats and rugs in the city hall in New York, for goodness sake.
[00:17:40]  Yeah, that's crazy.
[00:17:42]  Crazy.
[00:17:43]  Hey, real quick, prayer sirens, right?
[00:17:46]  Calls to prayer, Islamic calls to prayer.
[00:17:48]  Adhan, yeah.
[00:17:48]  Versus church bells.
[00:17:50]  Yeah.
[00:17:51]  You said something fascinating as we were talking offline just about the spiritual connotations of music.
[00:17:59]  Can you say that real quick?
[00:18:00]  Yeah.
[00:18:01]  So the Adhan is objectively evil.
[00:18:04]  No one likes that sound, right?
[00:18:06]  Yes.
[00:18:06]  It's disgusting.
[00:18:07]  It repulses you on an internal level.
[00:18:09]  Whereas church bells, they are beautiful objectively.
[00:18:13]  And they ward away evil.
[00:18:14]  The frequency of church bells throughout the whole of history has been known to ward away evil.
[00:18:18]  So, why is it that we've got rid of all of them?
[00:18:20]  Why are they not in every public square?
[00:18:22]  Because we don't want to ward away evil anymore.
[00:18:24]  Wow.
[00:18:25]  We're attracting it.
[00:18:26]  Dude, so I like some of the Fordian, you know, fringe kind of stuff.
[00:18:31]  I'm a fan of Nephilim and giants and even mermaids, although I've gotten a lot of flack, but here I stand.
[00:18:38]  Mermaids were real, are real.
[00:18:40]  It's hard to defend.
[00:18:41]  Were real sirens, some went to the skies, some to the water.
[00:18:45]  The women, The women who chose to marry these fallen angels, they have to have consequences.
[00:18:51]  I'm tired of pastors with their theology giving no consequences to the women when they sin.
[00:18:56]  That's true.
[00:18:57]  Some of these daughters of men married fallen angels, they became mermaids, right?
[00:19:01]  I'm just sitting here as a patriarchal guy saying mermaids is the consequence for women's sin.
[00:19:08]  They must be held accountable, therefore, mermaids.
[00:19:11]  That said.
[00:19:11]  Well, there's a real life example going on today.
[00:19:13]  These women that are aborting their own babies, they're not held to account because they are victims to.
[00:19:18]  Whereas, no, they are the ones doing the murdering, so they should be held to account.
[00:19:21]  Amen.
[00:19:21]  And therefore, mermaids.
[00:19:23]  I mean, two dots, clear lines.
[00:19:25]  I didn't follow that, but yeah.
[00:19:27]  From women being held accountable to abortion to mermaids.
[00:19:29]  There it is.
[00:19:31]  It's a bit of a stretch, I admit.
[00:19:33]  But that said, I like the 40 and stuff.
[00:19:36]  And one of the things that I remember reading was that church bells warded off, particularly in Europe, trolls.
[00:19:46]  Have you read that before?
[00:19:47]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:19:48]  We've forgotten the spiritual realm.
[00:19:50]  I mean, you're joking about mermaids, but unicorns and dragons.
[00:19:52]  We used to know as Christians that these things existed.
[00:19:55]  We used to know that there is, you know, we're not exactly joking, but go ahead.
[00:19:58]  But in ancient Britain, we'd have the word magic and magician for people like Merlin.
[00:20:02]  Like we understood there's an element of spiritual realm that we can tap into, that we can observe if we have enough faith.
[00:20:09]  But we've become so scientific and so secular since the Enlightenment that we kind of ignored and rejected the spiritual realm.
[00:20:15]  And music, you know, I was playing some Gregorian chants moments ago.
[00:20:18]  Like music, it connects us to the Lord in a transcendental way that other things don't.
[00:20:24]  And all these things are important because they are spiritual.
[00:20:27]  Yes, we're not just physical, tangible beings, we are spiritual beings too.
[00:20:31]  Amen.
[00:20:31]  I love how you said that one word, and we kind of skipped past it because I started talking about mermaids, but it's my fault.
[00:20:38]  But um, you said inherently evil that, like, the in other words, the call to prayer, like, even if that was uh, there are some things that can be uh, redeemed, right?
[00:20:52]  There are some elements of pagan societies that were removed, others were redeemed, Christianized.
[00:20:58]  But I think Christians need to be aware that some things actually, the only option is to remove them.
[00:21:06]  They actually can't be redeemed because, in and of themselves, in other words, if there was a call to Christian prayer, right, but using those sirens, which would be the church bells.
[00:21:15]  But using those sirens, we would say, find another way to call people to prayer.
[00:21:19]  By design, they are evil.
[00:21:20]  So Muhammad said that music is bad and the bells are bad.
[00:21:24]  So he objectively identified things that we know to be inherently good and inverted them and said, we're going to have the Adan instead.
[00:21:30]  So he put evil in the place of good.
[00:21:33]  So, one more question.
[00:21:33]  So, I'm building to something that we'll get to Dale because he's got a book coming that I'm very excited about.
[00:21:38]  But one more question.
[00:21:39]  Can that principle, that concept be applied not just to Islamic sirens, but in the realm of music?
[00:21:48]  I'll show my hand.
[00:21:51]  I think that rap music is degraded to society.
[00:21:55]  First and foremost, because of the content, the substance of the words.
[00:21:59]  Like, I did this to a woman and I shot these 17 people over here and da da da da.
[00:22:05]  But there's a lot of guys who have done Christian rap.
[00:22:08]  And certainly that's an improvement.
[00:22:10]  The words are about Christ.
[00:22:13]  But I feel as though rap as a form of music, take the lyrics aside, the substance aside, the music itself.
[00:22:21]  Maybe not inherently evil.
[00:22:23]  I don't know if I would be quite as far.
[00:22:24]  By design.
[00:22:25]  But the music itself is to say that, like, here's Mozart or Handel's Messiah.
[00:22:32]  Right.
[00:22:33]  And here's rap.
[00:22:35]  But the lyrics are Christian now.
[00:22:36]  I changed the lyrics.
[00:22:36]  It's not just about the lyrics, it's about the music itself.
[00:22:38]  So Mozart's music was shaped around the mass, it was shaped around the Christian theology and the worship of God.
[00:22:44]  Rap music was centered around rebellion against society.
[00:22:47]  And it was sexuality, violence, but it's deeper than just the words or the beats, it's the frequencies.
[00:22:53]  In 1939, the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers came together, got some scientists and some musicians together, and said, let's shift the frequency of A from, was it 440 hertz to 453 hertz?
[00:23:03]  So look it up.
[00:23:05]  And essentially, they want the masses to be enraged, to be ready for war.
[00:23:09]  They don't want the masses to be peaceful and seeking God.
[00:23:11]  That's so good.
[00:23:14]  So, what you're telling me is it's not just the lyrics, but rap, the music itself is Jewish.
[00:23:19]  Yes.
[00:23:20]  I love it.
[00:23:20]  All right.
[00:23:21]  Dale Partridge, you are coming out with a book I'm super stoked about.
[00:23:25]  What is the title and what is the message that you're conveying with your book?
[00:23:29]  Yeah.
[00:23:29]  So, 19 Reasons to Repeal the 19th Amendment.
[00:23:32]  So good.
[00:23:32]  We, several months ago.
[00:23:34]  Hard to narrow it down to 19, huh?
[00:23:37]  I had 50.
[00:23:37]  No.
[00:23:39]  I came out with a viral post maybe three or four months ago.
[00:23:43]  And it was shocking to me because I realized that the Overton window has shifted enough that the discussion around repealing the 19th Amendment wasn't as.
[00:23:54]  Appalling to many, as I expected it would be.
[00:23:57]  We saw women, huge numbers of women in the comments defending the repealing of the 19th Amendment.
[00:24:04]  It was really effeminate men who were not.
[00:24:07]  And so the basic premise of the book is that essentially, since the women have had the right to vote since the 1920s, they have been exploited by evil men who are preying upon their emotional and compassionate sensitivities.
[00:24:26]  And so Politically, when you have an effeminate, when you have effeminate men and feminine women who could be manipulated by political ideologies and agendas, we are seeing laws that have been passed that would have never passed if there was a male only vote.
[00:24:42]  And so the destruction of society can be directly connected to the female vote.
[00:24:50]  And, you know, from abortion to different Supreme Court cases to different laws, when you have A group of people who are voting based off of emotion rather than logic, you are again creating a society that has a variety of threats and problems to its moral standards.
[00:25:11]  Amen.
[00:25:12]  Anything else?
[00:25:13]  I'm going to let you guys make the call.
[00:25:14]  I don't really know.
[00:25:17]  I'm not particularly good at this.
[00:25:18]  Like, is it good to, you know, like, wait and hit the NOS right before the finish line?
[00:25:23]  Is it good to, you know, play your cards close to the chest?
[00:25:26]  You know, the element of surprise, or is it better to?
[00:25:29]  Tease.
[00:25:30]  Is there anything else, Calvin and Dale, that we should talk about or announce or unveil at this point?
[00:25:37]  What do you think?
[00:25:38]  We should probably let people know there's some exciting content coming up soon on XOR.
[00:25:42]  Okay.
[00:25:43]  Yep.
[00:25:43]  What do you think?
[00:25:45]  Anything more than that?
[00:25:46]  Exciting content coming up soon.
[00:25:48]  Yeah.
[00:25:48]  What do you think?
[00:25:49]  Yeah, I'll say it.
[00:25:50]  You know, we got a show coming out called American Grit.
[00:25:52]  Oh, okay.
[00:25:53]  All right.
[00:25:53]  Going.
[00:25:54]  And yeah.
[00:25:55]  And so we're going to be giving what I would say information to the Christian church in America.
[00:26:02]  And so talking about American identity, talking about American family, talking about American politics, talking about American economy.
[00:26:10]  From a Christian perspective.
[00:26:12]  And you combine that with the books like Calvin's book or my book.
[00:26:18]  And I think the effort is to overton window shifting.
[00:26:22]  It's moving the church to dimensions and thoughts and perspectives, which is unfortunate because we're actually just moving it back in the sense of we're going back to say what the church was believing in, say, the 1800s.
[00:26:37]  I always tell people I'm just a normal guy from like 1880.
[00:26:40]  The positions that I hold are not extreme, they are moderate.
[00:26:43]  In almost every generation prior to the current one.
[00:26:46]  And so I think we're taking the Christian church in America back to a time that was far more morally productive, fruitful, having a thriving society.
[00:26:57]  And that's going to happen through different content, different shows, different books, different posts, whatever it may be.
[00:27:02]  Right.
[00:27:02]  So you're going to be hosting a show, American Grit, with NXR.
[00:27:06]  And we're very excited about that.
[00:27:07]  Calvin, my next crusade is coming to NXR because we are the Christian rights and we want you to join us essentially.
[00:27:13]  We're no longer conservatives.
[00:27:15]  There's nothing left to conserve.
[00:27:16]  So, we are traditionalists seeking tradition, as Dale was saying, to bring it back so we have something to pass down to the next generation.
[00:27:22]  Awesome.
[00:27:24]  Yeah.
[00:27:24]  So, we're very, very excited and privileged and honored to have these two guys who have displayed immense courage and joining us with NXR.
[00:27:33]  And the reason why we're doing it is because at the end of the day, we're so fractured.
[00:27:39]  The church right now is so fractured, constantly fighting each other instead of the true enemy that is standing at the gate.
[00:27:48]  And in reality, has already burst through the gate or didn't need to because we opened the gate ourselves and is in the town and pillaging.
[00:27:55]  And so we feel like unity is incredibly important where our secular and demonic world constantly insist that diversity is our strength.
[00:28:07]  We insist that unity is our strength, not diversity.
[00:28:11]  Certainly, there's going to be some measure of diversity in some category.
[00:28:16]  We acknowledge that.
[00:28:18]  But we don't want diversity of thought.
[00:28:21]  We don't want diversity of conviction.
[00:28:24]  Diversity within the church, especially as it pertains to theology, has been our detriment.
[00:28:29]  It has not been an advantage in any sense whatsoever.
[00:28:34]  And so we're recognizing that all of us, in varying degrees and in differing ways, have been arrogant, have been proud, have been rebellious.
[00:28:46]  And we want to do our best wherever we can to exercise courage, but also humility and say, hey, this guy.
[00:28:55]  He's different than me.
[00:28:57]  He holds some different positions than me, but I see Christ in him.
[00:29:02]  He is godly.
[00:29:02]  He is exercising courage.
[00:29:06]  And we're going to stand together as long as we can.
[00:29:10]  And on every hill that we can, there are some places where we're different.
[00:29:15]  Calvin and I, for instance, on Sunday morning, you will not find us in the same location.
[00:29:22]  And it breaks my heart.
[00:29:24]  You're welcome to come to Massachusetts.
[00:29:26]  And you're welcome to come to my church.
[00:29:28]  But we will not be in the same place on Sunday morning.
[00:29:32]  But on Tuesday afternoon, I think that we can be.
[00:29:35]  Because we're fighting for Christ.
[00:29:36]  We're fighting the enemy.
[00:29:37]  The enemy wants us fighting each other.
[00:29:39]  That's the key difference there.
[00:29:40]  Christians should not be fighting other Christians.
[00:29:42]  We spent 500 years doing that.
[00:29:44]  It's now time to realign, to become co belligerents, as you often put it, and fight together for Christ against the enemy.
[00:29:50]  Yeah.
[00:29:50]  We talked about before is that infighting is the privilege of a victorious society.
[00:29:56]  And we don't have a victorious society at this particular moment.
[00:29:59]  And so.
[00:30:00]  Infighting is a luxury.
[00:30:01]  It's a luxury.
[00:30:02]  Yeah.
[00:30:02]  And it's one of these things right now where.
[00:30:05]  I think clarifying that NXR is creedal and not confessional, meaning that we're standing behind the historic Christian creeds and we can stand side by side with men like Calvin, me being over here, kind of a high reformed, you being even Anglo Catholic and you being 1689.
[00:30:21]  I mean, there's a variety here, but we have the same common enemy.
[00:30:25]  We are fighting against evil.
[00:30:26]  We also have the same Christ.
[00:30:28]  And so I think there's a space for that.
[00:30:30]  I think a lot of Christians are looking for that.
[00:30:31]  And I think it's going to be helpful.
[00:30:32]  Yeah, and that's not to say that we don't have our individual theological distinctives or convictions.
[00:30:37]  Each of us have confessions that we hold dear.
[00:30:41]  But when we say we're creedal, what we mean by that is that as it pertains to NXR, right, as it pertains to Sunday morning in each of our individual churches and our pastoral ministries and these kinds of things, then confessions very much come into play.
[00:30:55]  But as it pertains to NXR and the forward facing position that we're taking in the public square, in the realm of media, to push back on the hordes of demonic confessions.
[00:31:08]  Darkness that's infiltrating every single element of our society today.
[00:31:12]  In that regard, we're going to be creedal.
[00:31:15]  And what we mean by that is that we're united in the Nicene Creed and the Apostles' Creed.
[00:31:21]  We're united in the top tier theological issues.
[00:31:25]  We're united with the things that matter most.
[00:31:29]  And we're saying this is going to be the benchmark of what it takes in order to be on the team.
[00:31:38]  So, in being creedal, You can be on the team if you are Presbyterian or if you are a Baptist or if you are Anglo Catholic or if you are Eastern Orthodox.
[00:31:50]  You can be on the NXR team in terms of the media as we're pushing back politically, culturally against the hordes of hell.
[00:32:00]  But Creedal is intentionally broad enough to not devour our own, but it's also at the same time intentionally narrow enough to make sure that those who really are not on the team.
[00:32:14]  Can find no place.
[00:32:15]  So, for instance, one of the distinctions or a difference between NXR and something like the Daily Wire would be who's not creedal?

=== Beef Sticks And Cultural War (03:26) ===

[00:32:25]  Well, an Orthodox Jew is not creedal.
[00:32:28]  A Muslim is not creedal.
[00:32:30]  An atheist or agnostic is not creedal.
[00:32:33]  So, there will not be Jews on the team.
[00:32:36]  There will not be Mormons on the team.
[00:32:38]  There will not be.
[00:32:40]  And that's the thing.
[00:32:41]  Yeah, it's always strange to me that you have.
[00:32:44]  Nobody in the church has a problem with.
[00:32:46]  The Daily Wire having a Catholic and a Jew and a Christian, or at the Blaze having a Mormon or a Christian or an atheist, or what you know.
[00:32:56]  And so here we are having a media company with a variety of perspectives that are creedal, all Christian, but from different perspectives.
[00:33:03]  But again, in the Christian world, we want to divide over absolutely everything, right?
[00:33:08]  And we're saying, no, we're done with that.
[00:33:10]  We're done with that, and I'm and we're also done with the idea that when you look at the lay of the land with every major conservative media operation, um.
[00:33:19]  It is always, they always include Christians because they know that America is, you know, when it comes to conservatives, is majority Christian.
[00:33:29]  But they're always including Christians.
[00:33:32]  They've got their Matt Walsh and their Michael Knowles.
[00:33:35]  They've met the quota in order to maintain the status quo so that they can sell their leftist tiers, tumblers, or whatever it is.
[00:33:45]  But at the top, it's a Mormon.
[00:33:48]  At the top, it's a Jew.
[00:33:50]  At the top.
[00:33:51]  And I'm sick of it.
[00:33:52]  Well, it's controlled opposition, isn't it?
[00:33:53]  If you're working for a Jewish company, you're not going to criticize Israel or Judaism as much as you could do if you were otherwise.
[00:33:59]  Yeah.
[00:33:59]  Right?
[00:34:00]  You've got to just kind of call it what it is.
[00:34:01]  Yeah.
[00:34:02]  Yep.
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=== Jake Shields And Faith Twists (15:23) ===

[00:35:51]  All right, so let's talk about the third temple.
[00:35:54]  Are we getting one?
[00:35:55]  Are we getting a third temple?
[00:35:56]  Wes, go ahead and lead us off.
[00:35:58]  You've outlined the episode.
[00:35:59]  Go ahead.
[00:36:00]  So here's how we're going to lay it out.
[00:36:01]  In the cold open, we went through the first and the second temple Solomon's temple and then Herod's temple.
[00:36:06]  And hopefully you're very familiar by now with what happened in 70 AD when the Roman emperor Titus marched on.
[00:36:12]  Jerusalem, they sacked the city as the gold from the temple as the city burned, ran down and melted, went between the stones.
[00:36:18]  And the Romans literally pulled, as Jesus prophesied, every stone off of one another.
[00:36:23]  So not a stone was left standing on another.
[00:36:25]  They took the Jews that were there in the city, crucified so many of them that they actually ran out of wood, and the rest dispersed across the Roman Empire.
[00:36:32]  It's one of the most traumatic events in the Jewish consciousness, especially in the ancient world.
[00:36:38]  So we went over that the first temple, the second temple.
[00:36:40]  We saw what happened to both of them.
[00:36:41]  In both cases, rebellion brought about their destruction.
[00:36:44]  So what we're going to lay out is I'm going to go into a Kind of lesser known occasion where an apostate Roman emperor attempted to build a third temple.
[00:36:51]  We've had two, yes, what about a third?
[00:36:53]  He attempts to build a third one to stick it to the Christians, to ally with the Jews.
[00:36:58]  We'll go then to the modern times, how we see this impetus coming again.
[00:37:01]  Since Israel and the Jews have returned to the land in 1948, this has been top of mind.
[00:37:06]  How can we get a temple?
[00:37:07]  How can we enact Levitical priestly law?
[00:37:09]  How can we resume sacrifices?
[00:37:11]  If you are an Orthodox Jew, there is no Yom Kippur, there is no Day of Atonement.
[00:37:15]  You have not been able to practice it for 1900 years because no sacrifice, Could be made.
[00:37:20]  But just even less than a year ago, it was Adam King.
[00:37:22]  He was on Tim Pool.
[00:37:23]  And he said, We did it.
[00:37:24]  We sacrificed the red heifer.
[00:37:25]  The red heifer is what was necessary to begin the sacrificial process again.
[00:37:29]  So, we'll look at the Third Temple.
[00:37:31]  We'll look at who's behind pushing it, which is, surprise, surprise, dispensational evangelicals.
[00:37:36]  And then we'll land on what the Third Temple actually is from the Bible, historically.
[00:37:41]  What is the true Third Temple?
[00:37:43]  Newsflash, it's already here.
[00:37:45]  Well, Constantine is the first Christian emperor.
[00:37:47]  And it's kind of incredible in God's providence, all of the conversions of Christianity in the Roman Empire leading up to that point, none of them matter as much as this emperor as he prepares to go to war against his rival.
[00:37:58]  And he sees in the sky the night before the battle the sign of the cross.
[00:38:02]  And he hears a voice as it's recounted that says, By this sign, he conquers.
[00:38:06]  And he goes forth and he wins an incredible battle, uniting the empire, and he becomes Christian.
[00:38:11]  By all accounts, as best we can tell, he truly believes the Christian faith.
[00:38:15]  He internalizes it and he enacts councils to hammer out who was Jesus, what is he in his divinity, was he created, is he eternal.
[00:38:23]  And he's an incredible blessing to the church.
[00:38:25]  And he's followed by four more Christian emperors.
[00:38:29]  But then there's one emperor for two years in there, this little stint, that's known as Julian the Apostate.
[00:38:34]  And Julian the Apostate, he grows up under Christian tutelage, under Christian instruction.
[00:38:39]  But he himself ultimately comes to reject it and he wants to reinstate Roman paganism.
[00:38:43]  He wants to go back to the old days when there was a pantheon of gods, and the Christians can have their God, sure, and the Jews can have their God, and the Romans can have their God, but none of them are truly above all the other gods.
[00:38:54]  There is no one true supreme God.
[00:38:56]  And so during his brief two year stint as emperor, he tries to renew that.
[00:39:00]  And I'm going to read a letter because as he enacts on this journey, as he seeks to resurrect paganism, he actually turns to what seems like a very unlikely ally and he goes and says, I want to help you.
[00:39:11]  And so Julian the apostate writes this letter, letter 51, to the community of the Jews.
[00:39:16]  He talks about how they've been taxed and subjugated.
[00:39:20]  But at the very end, he says this This you ought to do in order that when I have successfully concluded the war with Persia, I may rebuild by my own efforts the sacred city of Jerusalem that had been closed to the Jews since the time of Emperor Hadrian in 135, which for so many years have longed to see inhabited, and bring settlers there, and together with you may glorify the Most High God therein.
[00:39:42]  And he follows up and says, For I am rebuilding with all zeal.
[00:39:45]  The temple of the most high God.
[00:39:47]  And so he enacts a great personal cost, the construction of the third temple to kind of stick it to the Christians and help the Jews out.
[00:39:56]  You guys have been barred from Jerusalem.
[00:39:57]  You guys haven't had a temple for all these years.
[00:40:00]  I would be happy at my own cost to come in and build a temple for you guys to renew worship once again.
[00:40:07]  St. Gregory, he said this, writing about Julian.
[00:40:09]  This is from Oration 5, second invective against Julian, Julian the apostate.
[00:40:14]  For when he had exhausted every other resource and despised every other form of tyranny and regards his.
[00:40:19]  Trifling and unworthy of him, since there was never a character so fertile in finding out and contriving mischief, at last he stirred up against us, us being the Christians, the nation of the Jews, making his accomplice in his machinations their well known credulity, as well as that hatred for us which has smouldered in them from the very beginning, prophesying to them out of their own books and mysteries that now was the appointed time come for them to return to their own land and to rebuild the temple and restore the reign of their hereditary institutions,
[00:40:49]  thus hiding his true purpose under the mark.
[00:40:52]  Of benevolence.
[00:40:52]  And so St. Gregory is saying here, in order to stir up mischief, comes benevolently.
[00:40:57]  I'd be happy to help you out with this, really hiding his true intentions, which is to stick it to Christianity.
[00:41:03]  Anything to offer before I get into what happened at that temple?
[00:41:06]  A couple of things I find fascinating about that.
[00:41:08]  One, he's using their own books to prophesy and provide mysteries from their own teachings.
[00:41:12]  Sounds very much like the Christian evangelicals, the Zionists at the moment, who think they are reading into old fashioned Judaism, but they're actually reading rabbinical Judaism.
[00:41:20]  And the fact that he was at war with Iran even back then, that's fascinating to me.
[00:41:25]  Yes, some things never change.
[00:41:26]  Yeah.
[00:41:27]  All right.
[00:41:28]  So, St. Ephraim commentates, and we have a number of both pagan and Christian sources that are contemporary to the time.
[00:41:35]  Sometimes there's recounts of a story, and it's from 200 years ago, and it's like, well, this was kind of passed down from like my fifth great grandfather, and he told it to me, and nobody's still alive who saw it happen.
[00:41:44]  All of the witnesses that we have to this, they've talked to people that were directly there, people that were eyewitnesses, and people within their lifetime.
[00:41:51]  So they're saying, you could talk to so and so, and he saw it happen, or you could talk to so and so, and he saw it happen.
[00:41:56]  And it isn't just Christians recounting these stories, but pagan sources.
[00:41:59]  As well.
[00:42:00]  So, St. Ephraim, in his hymn for against Julian, he says this.
[00:42:05]  At that time, the rebuilding of the temple, terrible events were stirred up to reprove men.
[00:42:10]  God proclaimed the truth to souls in the world, and that cities were overthrown to the reproach of paganism.
[00:42:15]  Jerusalem condemned particularly the accursed and the crucifiers, who presumptuously threatened and even destroyed, threatened and even destroyed, even entered in to rebuild the desolation which they had caused by their sins.
[00:42:27]  Moving on in the letter, he says, He ordered the winds and they blew, He beckoned earthquakes and they came.
[00:42:32]  Lightning and it caused turmoil, the air and it became dark, walls and they were overthrown, gates and they opened themselves up.
[00:42:39]  Fire came forth and consumed the scribes who had read in Daniel that it would be desolate forever.
[00:42:43]  Daniel 9 27.
[00:42:45]  And because they had read but did not learn, they were violently smitten and then they learned.
[00:42:51]  Different accounts, there's different accounts.
[00:42:52]  Some have to deal even with fire coming from heaven, others with lightning.
[00:42:56]  But the two big ones that are repeated again and again in the accounts are earthquakes and fire coming up from the deep.
[00:43:02]  That as they went to work on the foundations, literally fire erupting up from The ground burned and killing workers.
[00:43:09]  Others saw in their dreams the sign of the cross in the sky or had it burned into their garments.
[00:43:14]  And the project was completely abandoned.
[00:43:16]  It was an utter and complete failure.
[00:43:18]  And Christians, all through the ancient sources, directly attested this as God's providence that in arrogance, they thought, we'll rebuild the temple to the true God.
[00:43:27]  We'll set sacrifices back up.
[00:43:29]  And God supernaturally came down and said, that will never, ever happen.
[00:43:34]  And I will turn nature itself against you supernaturally.
[00:43:37]  Burn the workers, burn the cross into your minds until you.
[00:43:41]  Realize that this is an affront to me.
[00:43:43]  I've built my temple already.
[00:43:45]  No third temple, no Jews, especially the ones who've rejected the Messiah claiming to build a third temple to the true God.
[00:43:52]  It will not happen.
[00:43:56]  Yep.
[00:43:56]  Going forward to the modern day, Israel returns to the land, Jews return to the land, displaced.
[00:44:02]  Well, as the story goes, we could say.
[00:44:06]  No, no, no.
[00:44:07]  Let's hear it out.
[00:44:08]  Go ahead.
[00:44:09]  Because they're not Jews that have returned to the land, are they?
[00:44:11]  They're not people who worship the same God of Moses.
[00:44:14]  The same God as Abraham, the same God as the Hebrews and the Israelites of the Bible.
[00:44:19]  So these modern Jews who've gone to the land that's now called Israel are, in fact, secular.
[00:44:25]  They are atheists.
[00:44:26]  They're not believers in Yahweh.
[00:44:29]  I think of Revelation and says, those who say they are Jews and are not.
[00:44:32]  Yeah.
[00:44:33]  You're not true worshipers of God.
[00:44:34]  You're not true lovers of his law.
[00:44:36]  You're not truly obedient to him.
[00:44:38]  Because as you said, God came to meet them and they rejected him.
[00:44:40]  Right.
[00:44:41]  That's why it's so.
[00:44:43]  It's.
[00:44:45]  That's why I don't want to just give a simple answer.
[00:44:47]  Everybody was getting upset over the last couple of days because I hosted a conversation with Jake Shields, and Jake Shields asked me, point blank, Do you believe that Jesus was a Jew?
[00:44:58]  And I didn't want, it's like, all right, I've got one hour to talk to Jake Shields about Christ, and I want to preach Christ and Him crucified.
[00:45:05]  I don't want to spend the next hour talking about the Kazarian theory or the Edomite theory or this, that, and the other.
[00:45:13]  And so I did my best to kind of.
[00:45:16]  Quickly move on from the question into, you know, my question, which was, what is the gospel?
[00:45:22]  Well, just do a Jordan Peterson.
[00:45:23]  It depends what you mean by Jew, right?
[00:45:25]  Right, exactly.
[00:45:26]  But there is a sense in which that's true.
[00:45:29]  So if we're asking the question, is Jesus the promised seed of Abraham?
[00:45:33]  Yes.
[00:45:35]  Is Jesus, does he come from the line of Ishmael or Isaac and Jacob?
[00:45:40]  Isaac and Jacob.
[00:45:42]  Is Jesus of the lineage of the line of the tribe of Judah?
[00:45:46]  Right.
[00:45:46]  Yes.
[00:45:48]  Is Jesus an Israelite, a true Israelite?
[00:45:50]  Yes.
[00:45:51]  Is he a Hebrew?
[00:45:52]  Yes.
[00:45:54]  If Jew is used synonymously for all Israelites, In terms of according to the flesh, then yes, Jesus was a Jew.
[00:46:03]  In the way that the word was actually used at the time of Jesus, it had shifted over the previous centuries to where it became more of a placeholder simply for Hebrews as a whole.
[00:46:15]  So anyone who had descended from any of the 12 tribes of Jacob, whose name was changed by God himself to Israel.
[00:46:23]  So any Israelite was considered a Jew at the time of Jesus.
[00:46:27]  A few centuries later, Earlier, though, a Jew was more of a specific term for a Judean.
[00:46:33]  In which case, Jesus is not a Jew because he was a Galilean.
[00:46:37]  He was not a Judean.
[00:46:38]  But what Jake Shields means is, is Jesus a Jew in the same way that Benjamin Netanyahu?
[00:46:42]  And that's the final piece that I was building.
[00:46:44]  He's a Polish Satanist.
[00:46:45]  Exactly.
[00:46:45]  Is Jesus a Talmudic Ashkenazi?
[00:46:48]  No.
[00:46:48]  And the answer is, of course, no.
[00:46:50]  No.
[00:46:50]  And the problem is, if you look to just even the scriptures, if you look to the Gospel of John or John's epistles, the only time he uses the term Jews is to identify the enemies of Christ.
[00:46:59]  Yeah.
[00:47:00]  And so it's actually a label saying the Jews, the Jews.
[00:47:03]  You can see it, I think, I don't know, 20, 30 times throughout his gospel.
[00:47:07]  So is Jesus that type of Jew, the Jew that rejects Christ?
[00:47:10]  Of course not, right?
[00:47:12]  Jesus is a true Jew if we want to get clarifying on what a true Jew means.
[00:47:17]  But again, because the word is convoluted, it has so many definitions.
[00:47:20]  You have to be careful and you have to have these complex conversations to clarify what you actually mean.
[00:47:25]  Right.
[00:47:25]  I'd say, no, he's not a Jew.
[00:47:27]  He is the Christ.
[00:47:28]  He is the king of the Jews.
[00:47:28]  The Jews should be worshiping him, but he doesn't worship himself.
[00:47:31]  He worships the Father.
[00:47:32]  So, no, he's not a Jew.
[00:47:34]  Yeah.
[00:47:34]  So it's the point is, it's a much more complex question than people are willing to admit, especially because these days, everybody who wants you to answer the question is either on one side of the aisle or the other.
[00:47:50]  It's a bad faith question.
[00:47:51]  It's a bad faith question.
[00:47:53]  And I don't even mean necessarily from Jake Shields, but if I had said Jesus is a Jew, there'd be a whole other group that would be just giddy.
[00:48:02]  I mean, they'd be.
[00:48:04]  There have been rabbis who've said, rabbis have said, you know, your Messiah was a Jew, therefore you should worship all of us Jews.
[00:48:11]  They've literally said that.
[00:48:13]  So it's a twisting of our faith.
[00:48:14]  That's exactly right.
[00:48:15]  And so, yeah, I think the better question is if we're saying Jew as a stand in for Israelites according to the flesh, descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob of the line of Judah, yes, of the Messianic Davidic line, yes, absolutely.
[00:48:35]  But the real question is if that defines Jew, And personally, I think it should.
[00:48:41]  Then the real question is Is Bibi Netanyahu a Jew?
[00:48:44]  No.
[00:48:45]  So that's my point the reason why the question is difficult to answer is because I think you either have to do one or the other.
[00:48:51]  You either have to say, Yes, Jesus is a Jew, and all these people aren't.
[00:48:56]  Or, Yes, they're Jews, in which case, if that's how we're defining Jew, Jesus is not.
[00:49:01]  But this is how the devil works, right?
[00:49:02]  In ambiguity, in the gray area.
[00:49:04]  Because in the Bible, everything is good versus evil, everything's pretty much black and white.
[00:49:08]  In the devil's world, it's like, The Jews are those people in Israel, but they're also the people of the Bible.
[00:49:12]  They are a religious group, but they're also an ethnic group.
[00:49:15]  Like, what are they?
[00:49:16]  Are they our enemy, or are they the people we should be worshipping?
[00:49:19]  Like, that vagueness is from the devil himself.
[00:49:21]  And they go back and forth between the ones, depending on which ones.
[00:49:24]  You'll criticize Judaism and Jews, Orthodox Jews will say, Why do you hate all Jewish people?
[00:49:28]  Like, wait a second, you swapped the words on me in real time.
[00:49:32]  Yeah.
[00:49:32]  Right.
[00:49:33]  And so that's why it's a question that you cannot, when you're speaking publicly, you're being recorded, it's going to be put on the internet, and you're talking to someone like Jake Shields, who, for the record, I appreciate.
[00:49:45]  And I want to see Jake Shields come to Christ.
[00:49:48]  I want to see him know Christ because I love him and I appreciate him.
[00:49:54]  And so if I'm talking to Jake Shields and I only have a moment, And I'm going to be answering, and he asked me, Is Jesus a Jew?
[00:50:01]  And that conversation is one, I care about Jake Shields, and two, it's going to be a public conversation that's posted on the internet for everyone to watch.
[00:50:07]  Then, no, I'm not going to sit back in my chair and simply say, Yes, of course he's a Jew.
[00:50:12]  Right.
[00:50:12]  And then move on.
[00:50:13]  Yeah.
[00:50:13]  The conversation, again, I just looked it up 71 times.
[00:50:16]  John uses that phrase, and the semantics really do matter.
[00:50:19]  But, you know, some people are going to come back, you know, John chapter four, verse nine says, You know, talking to the woman of Samaria, you know, how is it that you, a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a woman of Samaria?
[00:50:30]  And he doesn't respond back saying, I'm not a Jew.
[00:50:33]  No, but again, the semantic range for a particular word is the key point, right?
[00:50:38]  If we talk about a trunk of a tree, are we talking about a trunk at the end of your bed?
[00:50:40]  Are we talking about an elephant trunk?
[00:50:43]  What kind of trunk are we talking about?
[00:50:44]  And that's really the conversation that is being had is it, well, is Jesus a Jew?
[00:50:48]  Well, let me, what do you mean by that?
[00:50:50]  And then, yes, if you're talking about that, yes, then yes.
[00:50:53]  If you're not talking about that, then no.
[00:50:55]  Context matters.
[00:50:56]  Context is extremely important while we're having discussions around theology, which we admit in every category of theology.
[00:51:03]  We want to know the historical, grammatical, cultural context in order to have the right answer.
[00:51:07]  And then, on top of it, to complicate things further, there's the Kasarian theory, which I don't think has a ton of credibility.

=== Antichrist And Edomite Theory (17:12) ===

[00:51:15]  That's not my position.
[00:51:16]  There's the Edomite theory that I think has more substance and I think could be debated.
[00:51:23]  And then, on top of that, in terms of the word Jew and the way that it's used in the Bible, Calvin, maybe you can speak to this, but in terms of translations of the Bible, I. They're not all the same depending on, you know, which particular text, the received text versus critical text that came later in Jewish manuscripts versus.
[00:51:48]  Do you want to speak to that for a moment?
[00:51:50]  This is true, but all of the earlier manuscripts do use that word in the way that Dale used it, referring to a category of Hebrews and Israelites.
[00:51:58]  So it does get used.
[00:52:00]  Many people think that in modernity we've just replaced Hebrew with Jew in the Bible, but there are cases where Hebrew is used and where Jew is used.
[00:52:07]  Right.
[00:52:07]  So they're used synonymous.
[00:52:08]  Yeah.
[00:52:09]  Jew referring to.
[00:52:11]  All Hebrews and not just Judeans.
[00:52:14]  And so, in that sense, then it's fair to say yes.
[00:52:17]  What?
[00:52:18]  It's unhelpful, but yes.
[00:52:19]  Yeah.
[00:52:19]  So, in that sense, it is fair to say yes, Jesus was a Jew.
[00:52:25]  But when somebody is asking today in the year of our Lord 2026, the implications of the answer is a Jew, they mean is Bibi Netanyahu of the direct lineage of Jesus?
[00:52:39]  And I would say, spiritually, no way in hell.
[00:52:42]  And physically, there's a debate to be had.
[00:52:45]  For this Polish man, and it like so.
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[00:53:54]  So, All that being said, a people that at least called themselves Jews, self termed as Jews, in 1948 come back to the land and establish the modern Jewish state there.
[00:54:05]  Now, dispensationals watching across the ocean back in America, where dispensationalism, that framework of interpretation, caught on in the early 1900s, it's like they were looking with binoculars, like, write this down, write this down.
[00:54:17]  And it signified in dispensationalism.
[00:54:19]  Dispensationalism is this idea that there are seven dispensations.
[00:54:23]  And in these seven dispensations, God.
[00:54:25]  Deals with mankind uniquely.
[00:54:27]  So, in the dispensation of innocence with Adam in the garden, Adam was innocent.
[00:54:30]  God sets man up on a good footing, gives him a rule don't eat it with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and Adam fails it.
[00:54:36]  Well, God tests man again in the dispensation of conscience, and so on and so forth.
[00:54:40]  And so, we're in this final dispensation.
[00:54:42]  And the marker with the interpretation that the dispensationalist uses of Daniel 9 is that the end of this dispensation comes when, again, at this final dispensation, God's given his own son.
[00:54:52]  He's given his Holy Spirit that instructs them in all truth.
[00:54:55]  The scriptures have been completed, and still.
[00:54:58]  All of this, God's own son, mankind turns and follows the Antichrist.
[00:55:03]  And the Antichrist, the temple is rebuilt, and this Antichrist is initially favorable to the Jewish people and he reinstates sacrifices.
[00:55:11]  And so, for dispensationalists in America, and also, too, in the broader context of the Cold War, I mean, there was through the 60s and the 70s, there was this constant threat of will we be annihilated by nuclear war?
[00:55:22]  So, we've just gone through two horrific world wars that killed tens and millions of people.
[00:55:27]  We watched Israel, so called Jews, so called.
[00:55:30]  Return and establish the modern Jewish state.
[00:55:32]  We also experienced a cold war with Russia in which the threat of nuclear annihilation hung over the heads of millions of Americans for basically two decades on end.
[00:55:42]  So, it's in that context, then dispensationalism, Hal Lindsey, and others.
[00:55:45]  Yeah, you have becomes the default framework in America.
[00:55:48]  Yeah, well, you have in 1970 or 75, I can't remember, but yeah, the late great planet Earth that sells what 10 million copies.
[00:55:54]  Huge success.
[00:55:55]  You essentially had a cultural priming that was perfect for a book like that.
[00:56:03]  Your reality and experience was saying, please give me this confirmation theology to affirm the experience that I've already had.
[00:56:11]  Everything's getting worse, which created again a culture of let's not build, let's wait.
[00:56:17]  Let's not work, let's wait.
[00:56:19]  Let's check out from society.
[00:56:20]  It replaced all previous historical eschatologies with this doom and gloom.
[00:56:25]  Everything's going to get worse from here, dispensationalism that we all grew up with.
[00:56:29]  I remember my dear grandparents, Barack Obama got elected first term, and it was like, We don't even have three years left as a rapture.
[00:56:36]  It's so close.
[00:56:38]  And that's just, I mean, you looked at the times, you looked at apostasy growing, you looked at war.
[00:56:42]  I mean, Israel's been in war, most of it their own fault, since pretty much the establishment of their state.
[00:56:48]  And so the key centerpiece of this theological system is a third temple.
[00:56:53]  The third temple allows the Antichrist to come as a type of literally Antichrist, a dark Christ, a false Messiah to come and offer sacrifices.
[00:57:02]  In the dispensationalist framework, Christians are not to participate, to be clear.
[00:57:05]  In these sacrifices.
[00:57:06]  So, to be fair to the dispensationalists, he's not saying there's going to be a third temple come again.
[00:57:11]  We had Jesus for 2,000 years, but this temple's going to come back and we need to return and offer these up for our sins.
[00:57:16]  No, they view it as apostasy.
[00:57:19]  They view it as dark.
[00:57:20]  They view it as satanic, but it is the linchpin of the end times in this system.
[00:57:25]  Go ahead, Calvin.
[00:57:25]  I think that was a great explanation, but I think that's how it started.
[00:57:28]  And it should have been a warning against the Antichrist, against the end times.
[00:57:31]  But I think the modern dispees have, most of it comes from a misunderstanding of the word Israel.
[00:57:36]  So they feel like they have to support Israel, even in building the third temple.
[00:57:40]  Exactly.
[00:57:41]  Because they believe Israel are God's chosen people.
[00:57:43]  Whereas we all know that we are the new Israel, not even the new Israel, we are the continuation of Israel.
[00:57:49]  The Jews who worshiped the Messiah, along with the Gentiles who chose to worship the Messiah, who are grafted in.
[00:57:55]  Together, they are now known as Christians.
[00:57:57]  That is Israel.
[00:57:58]  That is God's chosen people.
[00:57:59]  That's us sitting around this.
[00:58:00]  It's the people watching this who believe in Christ.
[00:58:03]  Now, people see Israel in the Bible and think, okay, Israel in the Bible.
[00:58:06]  They see Israel on the map.
[00:58:07]  They think, okay, Israel on the map, those two things must be the same.
[00:58:10]  Israel and Israel are two different entities.
[00:58:14]  And we are Israel.
[00:58:15]  And Israel is the enemy of Israel.
[00:58:17]  The direct connection, too, between the geopolitical implications.
[00:58:20]  If Israel got blown off the map by Iran, they complete their nuclear program.
[00:58:24]  I mean, they've been working on it for 1,500 years at this point.
[00:58:26]  They complete their nuclear program and they blow Israel off the map.
[00:58:29]  How do we get the end times?
[00:58:31]  So that is why millions and millions of American evangelicals, as well meaning as they are, say we have to directly support Israel.
[00:58:37]  And in supporting them, they will inaugurate the construction and the completion of the third temple.
[00:58:41]  That will allow the system for which the Antichrist rises to power.
[00:58:45]  He makes a treaty.
[00:58:46]  He offers sacrifices again and brings about the end of days and the final return of Christ.
[00:58:51]  But in that system, you have to support, you have to defend.
[00:58:56]  America's mission is we've got to hold Israel up, defend it, supply it, support it.
[00:59:03]  And so she can survive, so we can get Jesus.
[00:59:05]  This is the main argument that because America is so strangled by dispensationalism, it affects our geopolitical world.
[00:59:18]  The root of why we're connected as a nation to Israel is dispensationalism.
[00:59:23]  If you cut dispensationalism off, it eliminates the strength in a big way.
[00:59:29]  The scripture that everybody uses, people will say, you know, I will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.
[00:59:36]  It doesn't even say that in the scriptures.
[00:59:38]  It's talking to Abraham.
[00:59:40]  The question is again, who is the true Israel?
[00:59:42]  Hosea says, When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
[00:59:48]  And we get this confirmation of that prophecy in Matthew 2, verse 14 through 15.
[00:59:53]  It says, And he rose and took the child, Jesus, and his mother by night, and departed to Egypt, and remained there until the death of Herod.
[01:00:02]  This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet Out of Egypt I called my son.
[01:00:08]  Yes.
[01:00:09]  And so, really, what it's saying is that, you know, those who bless Christ, I will bless.
[01:00:14]  And those who curse Christ, I will curse.
[01:00:16]  That's reaffirmed in Galatians when St. Paul says that the seed of Abraham, who was blessed in Genesis, is not plural.
[01:00:22]  It's Christ.
[01:00:23]  He is the seed of Abraham.
[01:00:24]  But we as Christians, being in Christ, are also the seed of Abraham.
[01:00:27]  Correct.
[01:00:28]  Yeah.
[01:00:29]  So, blessing Israel means blessing the church, means blessing Christians.
[01:00:31]  Antonio, anything to add before we move on?
[01:00:33]  No, well said.
[01:00:34]  Yeah, I just, to some extent, I think I can be sympathetic to the dispensationalism movement that I think was.
[01:00:41]  Rose to prominence, I think, in the 60s and 70s.
[01:00:43]  I think you laid out the history really well geopolitically.
[01:00:45]  I do think there was a sense in America, broadly speaking, of sort of being at the end of history.
[01:00:50]  I mean, at that point, you'd emerge out of World War II.
[01:00:53]  America was this global hegemon.
[01:00:55]  Life was great.
[01:00:56]  To some extent, for the average American, it probably felt like life couldn't get any better.
[01:01:01]  I mean, you were wealthy.
[01:01:02]  You had just sort of emerged from this pre industrialization agricultural society.
[01:01:09]  And now you have a dishwasher.
[01:01:10]  Now you've got cars.
[01:01:11]  And now you've got your own home and property.
[01:01:13]  And you live in a community that's relatively peaceful, and you go to church.
[01:01:18]  And so, this sense, this sort of foreboding sense as the Cold War emerged coming out of World War II, of like, well, we kind of saw the end.
[01:01:26]  We saw how good life could get.
[01:01:28]  And now we're sort of cascading, especially as you mentioned, the British Mandate in 1948, Israel's established, immediately brings a ton of conflict to the Middle East.
[01:01:38]  And for the average American who's sitting in the pews, they're thinking, yep, this is this gradual decline now.
[01:01:44]  We've reached the pinnacle of history, the pinnacle of Christendom.
[01:01:48]  And things are coming to a conclusion.
[01:01:49]  So you can be sympathetic to that, but as you guys have thoughtfully laid out, theologically speaking, there really is no argument to be made here.
[01:01:59]  And I think Americans are starting to wake up to this.
[01:02:01]  I think, especially now with how bad things have gotten and sort of these presuppositions and to some extent a self fulfilling prophecy with dispensationalism, it's like this isn't working.
[01:02:13]  This is actually, we've actually seen the decline of Christianity in the West.
[01:02:19]  Something must be done about it.
[01:02:20]  And maybe we've made some theological errors along the way.
[01:02:22]  So I'm optimistic here, but go ahead.
[01:02:26]  It'll basically be a race.
[01:02:27]  American support for Israel is declining.
[01:02:30]  You look at the polls from 30 and under, 30 and above, it is largely an older generation raised on your late great planet Earth that are largely supportive of this.
[01:02:38]  The younger generation, as they get to power, as they become senators, as hopefully someday elected president, they're not beholden to Israel in the same way.
[01:02:45]  They didn't grow up in the Cold War, they didn't grow up reading these books.
[01:02:49]  Now, in Israel, the Likud party, it's a coalition government for Benjamin Netanyahu.
[01:02:53]  Like in most of Europe, you have multiple parties, and when none of them have the majority, they form a coalition to accomplish their goals.
[01:03:00]  It is a right wing nationalist orthodox party.
[01:03:02]  There was recently a law proposed in Israel that Christians who pray Christian prayers at the Wailing Wall could face up to seven years in prison.
[01:03:10]  And so, right now in Israel, you have a relatively right wing.
[01:03:13]  Now, they're not culturally right wing, right?
[01:03:15]  Israel is very progressive as far as it goes with abortion, as far as it goes with gay rights.
[01:03:19]  So, they're not culturally right wing.
[01:03:21]  But as far as hardline nationalist and orthodox, there is a contingent within the Likud party in power in Israel.
[01:03:28]  That are absolute religious hardliners.
[01:03:30]  And as I mentioned earlier, Tim Pool, Adam King, he showed the ashes of the sacrifice of a red heifer and the breeding process for it.
[01:03:37]  One of the things that was kind of holding back these Orthodox hardliners was they had yet to have this inaugural sacrifice that Jewish law required to cleanse the altar again and to lay the foundation that a temple could even be built.
[01:03:49]  This red heifer had to be completely red, not even a single hair on it would be white or black or gray or anything else like that.
[01:03:57]  It had to be perfectly bred.
[01:03:58]  They have these priests that live above ground, they spent their whole life.
[01:04:02]  Literally preparing for the sacrifice, not interacting with other people, specifically trained.
[01:04:06]  But as best we can tell, six months ago, they completed that sacrifice.
[01:04:10]  And so, in their religious system, there's no barrier left.
[01:04:13]  What's now required is the political will, the political capital, the willingness to make a move, to make it happen.
[01:04:20]  We obviously see the war with Iran, and we'll see it's basically a race.
[01:04:24]  Well, the Orthodox side that really is pretty happy with Benjamin Netanyahu, how he's conducted the war, how he glassed Gaza, they're really pretty happy with him.
[01:04:33]  The strong, hard, right wing Orthodox power, Orthodox party is in power.
[01:04:37]  Will they succeed in time as American support wanes?
[01:04:42]  They want the third temple, they want it built.
[01:04:44]  The older generation of American evangelicals do.
[01:04:48]  The younger generation says no.
[01:04:49]  It's kind of a race against time.
[01:04:51]  Who's going to do so?
[01:04:52]  Right.
[01:04:52]  Forget one thing God also says no.
[01:04:54]  And that's the final, final thing.
[01:04:57]  We've got the will, we've got the materials.
[01:04:59]  Well, there's one more person signature that you need on that piece of paper.
[01:05:04]  I want to round it out.
[01:05:05]  We've mentioned it already Christians as the true Israel, but let's go specifically to the temple.
[01:05:10]  Right.
[01:05:10]  Has the third temple already been built?
[01:05:12]  Yes.
[01:05:13]  There are three parts to this.
[01:05:14]  One is that Christ is the temple.
[01:05:17]  The revelation teaches that God and the Lamb are the new temple.
[01:05:21]  And prior to that, we learned that Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed and three days later he would rebuild it, meaning himself.
[01:05:28]  So Christ is the temple.
[01:05:29]  I have that verse right here, Mark 14 58.
[01:05:31]  We heard him say, I will destroy, this is the accusers of him in court, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands.
[01:05:38]  With three days, I will build another made without hands.
[01:05:41]  Right.
[01:05:42]  Secondly, we are the temple.
[01:05:44]  So, certainly Christians who are sacramental literally receive the body of Christ, but all Christians receive the gift of the Holy Spirit in baptism.
[01:05:52]  So, we all receive God within us, making us a temple.
[01:05:55]  And thirdly, the church is the temple.
[01:05:57]  The church, being the body of Christ, is the temple of God.
[01:06:00]  So, Christ, us, the church.
[01:06:04]  Right.
[01:06:05]  1 Peter 2, verses 4 and 5 says, As you come to him, being Christ, a living stone rejected by men, but in the sight of God, chosen and precious.
[01:06:15]  You yourselves, like living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house or a temple to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
[01:06:29]  And so, this third temple that is promised is not built with material, literal stones, but with living stones, with the souls of the elect, of those that have faith in Christ.
[01:06:42]  Yeah, Jesus is not just the temple, he's also the sacrifice, and he's also the priest.
[01:06:48]  He's the whole thing.
[01:06:49]  And so we have to remember that constantly throughout the Old Testament, everything is preparing us for and pointing us to Christ.
[01:06:56]  And so even in the Garden of Eden, the Garden of Eden is a form of a temple.
[01:07:00]  And you have what?
[01:07:02]  An entrance on the east.
[01:07:04]  You have angels guarding that entrance.
[01:07:07]  You move to the tabernacle in the Old Testament.
[01:07:09]  And what do you have?
[01:07:10]  You have an entrance on the east.
[01:07:11]  You have angels guarding this, the cherubim.
[01:07:15]  This continues to push forward.
[01:07:17]  We see it in.
[01:07:18]  John 1 14, it says, And the word became flesh and dwelt among us.
[01:07:22]  The word there is tabernacled with us.
[01:07:25]  He tabernacled, you know, it's constantly showing us this reality that Christ is the temple, that he is the fulfillment of that.
[01:07:33]  And when it makes the connection that we are the body of Christ and that we are part of that temple, we are living stones.
[01:07:40]  Well, through the royal priesthood of all believers, we are all priests of that temple.
[01:07:44]  Correct.
[01:07:45]  Yeah.
[01:07:45]  So we have this, there's always this corporate nature of the body of Christ.
[01:07:48]  It's either a flock or it's, It's living stones, or it's a bride, or there's these elements of members.
[01:07:55]  And so, yeah, we are not waiting for the third temple to be built.
[01:07:58]  Christ is the third temple, his body is the third temple.
[01:08:01]  I don't think that it'll ever be rebuilt.
[01:08:03]  I know many Christians who were dispensational and were waiting.
[01:08:07]  I mean, just waiting.
[01:08:07]  There's the Temple Institute, and they're giving constant updates from Israel.
[01:08:11]  They're getting ready.
[01:08:12]  I believe that God has specifically providentially permitted the Dome of the Rock to be there, and it's not going away.
[01:08:21]  It's essentially a visible curse of this thing's never going to be.
[01:08:25]  Rebuilt in this area.

=== Praying For Israel Blessings (15:46) ===

[01:08:27]  I want to draw one incredible parallel.
[01:08:29]  I think Peter Lighthart pulled this out, but it might have been James B. Jordan.
[01:08:32]  If you read 1 Kings in the account of the construction of the first temple, it says this in 1 Kings 6 7.
[01:08:37]  In building the temple, only blocks dressed at the quarry were used, and no hammer, chisel, or any iron tool was heard at the temple site while it was being built.
[01:08:45]  We heard in the cold open Herod's second temple that it gleamed because of its white gold atop a hill like it was a shining star.
[01:08:53]  These first two temples, they're pointing ahead.
[01:08:55]  To the spiritual temple.
[01:08:56]  How are you and I formed into living stones?
[01:08:58]  With hammers and sledges and chisels outside being crammed in?
[01:09:02]  No, actually, in silence.
[01:09:04]  The slow work of the Spirit shaping us as the living stones that fit together as the kingdom is built up almost imperceptibly without the noise and the construction.
[01:09:13]  To build on what you just said, Wes, and what Joel said a moment ago, like when Christ says to Peter, You are the rock, and on this rock I will build my church.
[01:09:20]  Yes, he's speaking to Peter, but he's also speaking to all Christians because the rock is our faith.
[01:09:23]  On our faith, he will build the church.
[01:09:25]  And that is the temple.
[01:09:26]  It's not physical rocks, it's our faith in Christ.
[01:09:30]  Yeah, 1 Corinthians 3 16 says, Do you not know that you are God's temple?
[01:09:35]  And that God's spirit dwells in you.
[01:09:37]  I mean, right there should be sufficient.
[01:09:38]  You go, where's the next temple?
[01:09:39]  It's right there.
[01:09:40]  Even on a secular, worldly level, like since 1948, America's given over $300 billion to Israel, right?
[01:09:48]  Over 80 years.
[01:09:49]  They've had 80 years and $300 billion.
[01:09:51]  They still haven't managed to build this third temple.
[01:09:53]  Okay.
[01:09:54]  I want to talk about this just for a second.
[01:09:55]  Imagine when you have a connection to Israel and you believe, you essentially misapply the purpose of scripture to the wrong audience.
[01:10:04]  When you think that our duty as Christians is to give money and support.
[01:10:09]  The wrong people.
[01:10:11]  Over here, we have churches, my church included.
[01:10:13]  We can't even afford a building.
[01:10:15]  We can't find a space to rent barely.
[01:10:19]  And churches all across America are struggling while Israel is thriving.
[01:10:23]  And this imagine how much good we could do if all of the money that was given to the wrong body of people was reapplied to the correct body of people, how that would impact the American church.
[01:10:38]  So, Dale, are you saying that if Christians actually blessed Israel, they would be blessed?
[01:10:41]  They would be blessed.
[01:10:42]  Yeah.
[01:10:43]  If we could be blessing Israel, which means blessing Christ and the body of Christ, which is his church, just imagine the scale of the misappropriation of funds that have gone there.
[01:10:54]  And imagine the scale of misappropriated prayers that have gone there.
[01:10:59]  Imagine the scale of misappropriated passion that has gone there.
[01:11:03]  And so we have to understand that, again, dispensationalism in America, if you can cut that root, I believe it starts to deconstruct the geopolitical relationship.
[01:11:14]  And even the funding and the prayer and the passion back toward the church and Jesus Christ.
[01:11:22]  Yeah, but that's also why this dispensationalism, this hermeneutic, this interpretive method of the scriptures is so perverse because it's actually one of the fundamental presuppositions, I think, is defeatism.
[01:11:33]  It's actually that, no, but that's actually good that the church is suffering and being broken down while Israel's being built up.
[01:11:40]  And it's optimistic for Israel and not for the church.
[01:11:43]  Right.
[01:11:44]  It's that I would say dispensationalists are post millennial for Israel.
[01:11:49]  I just looked up Christians United for Israel, started in 2006 by John Hagee.
[01:11:54]  $100 million estimated over its lifetime that it's received in nonprofit donations.
[01:12:00]  How about $100 million to the church to build up parishes of outreach, of evangelism?
[01:12:05]  How much better could that money have been used than to an apostate state that pays for abortions on its dime?
[01:12:11]  Well, if you look back to Europe with our European brother here, you've seen the cathedrals.
[01:12:19]  These cathedrals throughout history, many of them were funded by the state.
[01:12:23]  There was free, maybe free land or there was free support or labor that would come through.
[01:12:27]  And again, over here, we're struggling to find anything.
[01:12:30]  We have to self fund everything.
[01:12:32]  And so imagine having a state with a Christian prince or Christian king that is here to offer, instead of giving it millions and billions of dollars to Israel, hey, why don't we rebuild some of the Christendom here in the West and these cathedrals here in the West?
[01:12:47]  And we've emphasized the money, which is an issue, but Dale, you also pointed to prayers as well.
[01:12:50]  And the gospel teaches us that the Jews are our enemies for our sake.
[01:12:54]  And therefore, we should be praying for them, but not in the way we are praying for them.
[01:12:57]  The impractory psalms are what we should be praying for them.
[01:12:59]  The Good Friday prayer is what we should be praying for them, but we're not, and we're giving up the wrong prayers.
[01:13:04]  That's a major issue, even more so than the money.
[01:13:06]  Right.
[01:13:07]  In that vein, if we want Jews to come to faith in Jesus Christ, and we should, then the Apostle Paul gave us his Holy Spirit inspired strategy.
[01:13:18]  He said that I have been appointed by the Holy Spirit to be an apostle to the Gentiles, so that as the Lord is blessing these Gentile Christians, That my own brothers, my own kinsmen according to the flesh, Jews, would see the outpouring of the blessing of God falling upon the Gentiles who received Christ, and that they would be roused to some sense of a godly envy, a godly jealousy.
[01:13:48]  That they would see the blessing of the Lord that should be theirs and was by rights once upon a time now shifted and transitioned over to these Gentiles who have received Christ.
[01:14:03]  Through faith, and that that would be a sign for them that Christ truly was their Messiah, and that they crucified him and rejected him, and that they should repent so that they could be placed, replaced, grafted back in, and receive that blessing once more.
[01:14:22]  And I'm just thinking if that's what the Apostle Paul was seeking to do, not only is it wrong, the way that we've directed our resources, our prayers, Our tithes and offerings and taxes and military and lives and blood of our sons and even daughters, because we are indeed a wicked nation that sends our own daughters into war.
[01:14:46]  Not only have we directed all our resources wrongly, but even for those who desire the best for modern day Israel in the physical sense, it's such a tragic.
[01:15:07]  Irony because what we've essentially what we are telling Bibi Netanyahu, what we are telling Ben Shapiro, what we are telling ethnic Jews, both in Israel and here in the United States and Florida, where they're all rich, and Boca Raton and doing this and doing that.
[01:15:25]  What we're telling them as a Christian nation and as individual Christians and churches and Christian ministries that raise a hundred million dollars, we're telling them that you can continue to believe that Jesus is burning in hell and reject him with animus.
[01:15:41]  And all the blessings of God that have been given to his people, Christians, will be transferred to your account.
[01:15:48]  So, this is the exact same strategy that I see these young, love only ministers use, where they walk over to pagans who are living maybe a transsexual life or they're walking in sin and they're saying, you know, God loves you.
[01:16:03]  And the reality is that the good news of the gospel is only good because the bad news is bad.
[01:16:08]  And the problem is that people are unwilling because they don't love people enough.
[01:16:12]  To tell people the bad news.
[01:16:14]  And the bad news is that if you reject Christ, Jew or Gentile, you're going to hell.
[01:16:19]  And you need to actually offer the case through the scriptures, especially to people who are claiming of Jewish descent, to say, this is what your own scriptures say.
[01:16:29]  And you are walking in opposition to the Messiah that you reject.
[01:16:33]  It should produce that holy conviction, that holy fear, that holy repentance.
[01:16:39]  But again, let's instead just send them billions of dollars and affirm them in their sin.
[01:16:43]  It is truly the most unloving thing you can do.
[01:16:45]  It's not just bad for them, it's bad for us.
[01:16:47]  So, Joel mentioned the envy of the Lord that the Jews should have over the Gentiles now, but many of the Gentiles have that over the Jews.
[01:16:52]  We have Christ.
[01:16:53]  We should have no envy of anyone, of anything.
[01:16:55]  For some reason, so many of these dispies look at the Jews in Israel right now as somehow special, a special race of people that have a special connection to God that we'll never have.
[01:17:04]  We have Jesus Christ within us.
[01:17:05]  What are they on about?
[01:17:07]  Okay, the victorious nature, also, I think that people don't realize is that if you look throughout church history and you look at the Crusades, they are a great example because the Crusaders didn't go and fight for Jerusalem because they thought it was the Jews that was owned by the Jews.
[01:17:21]  They thought that it was owned by the church.
[01:17:23]  Right.
[01:17:23]  Because.
[01:17:24]  Well, as West started out, it was for a great while.
[01:17:27]  They weren't allowed in, as should be the case today.
[01:17:30]  Where are most Jews based?
[01:17:32]  Yeah.
[01:17:32]  Well, the meek will inherit the earth.
[01:17:34]  All things are ours in Christ.
[01:17:36]  We have inherited everything in Jesus.
[01:17:38]  And that territory, that cross, that mount, that whole biblical scene is the property of the church.
[01:17:47]  Shall we retake the Holy Land?
[01:17:48]  We should retake the Holy Land.
[01:17:50]  100%.
[01:17:50]  Sorry, I can't do what I said.
[01:17:51]  Yeah, so it's safe to say the provocation toward jealousy has come to pass.
[01:17:56]  What we're seeing here in the West currently is Christians failing to actually, to your point, Dale, call the Jews to repentance.
[01:18:03]  Which is the natural conclusion of that jealousy, which is what we hope for in the world, which is reconciliation.
[01:18:11]  But that can't come outside of Christ.
[01:18:13]  Yeah, 100%.
[01:18:13]  They always say, well, the Jews will come back to Christ in the end.
[01:18:16]  This is what the scriptures teach.
[01:18:17]  But the scriptures teach that every knee shall bow in the end.
[01:18:19]  It doesn't mean we should just sit back and let it happen or wait for it.
[01:18:22]  We have to evangelize, we have to disciple the nations, including the people in Israel.
[01:18:26]  I don't understand that disconnect.
[01:18:28]  Right.
[01:18:29]  Calvin, I'm interested.
[01:18:30]  This seems to be a very uniquely American phenomenon the support for Israel, the support for Zionism.
[01:18:36]  Is this something that really is a thing in Europe, or is this just kind of an American problem?
[01:18:40]  It's massively American, but like all American things, it spreads.
[01:18:44]  And so it spreads.
[01:18:44]  We do our duty in export.
[01:18:45]  You do.
[01:18:46]  Your exportation of bad ideas is awful.
[01:18:48]  But, you know, I've got good friends who I've, for example, prayed with every week for the last two years for Great Britain because Britain needs as many prayers as we can get.
[01:18:56]  Those prayers have ended this week because I'm not supporting this war on behalf of Israel in Iran, for example.
[01:19:02]  And so there are people in Britain who are not dispensationalists, but still have a poor theology of who Israel is.
[01:19:10]  Gotcha.
[01:19:11]  Well, I was just talking to a Canadian friend who visited our church and is considering a relocation to the States.
[01:19:17]  And I asked him, I said, What's the church's relationship with Israel up there?
[01:19:22]  He says, I'm almost non existent.
[01:19:23]  He said, We see what you're doing down here, but it is a natural phenomenon of America that we have this great relationship with Israel, which is, again, truly, I believe, the root of this.
[01:19:38]  If you want to go upstream, there's a bunch of different echelons of upstream, but we have to deconstruct biblically.
[01:19:45]  Theologically, politically, philosophically, polemically, well, dispensationalist.
[01:19:52]  It's such a modern era or heresy that it's easily broken down.
[01:19:56]  The older churches don't have this issue.
[01:19:57]  The reason it's so big in America is because there are so many new churches here.
[01:20:00]  That's why.
[01:20:01]  Are you saying something about Protestantism?
[01:20:03]  I'm just saying that tradition has its benefits sometimes.
[01:20:06]  When you've taught for 2,000 years that we are Israel, not just the new Israel, but the spiritual Israel, the continuation of Israel, someone comes along in the last 50 years and says, actually, no, they are.
[01:20:17]  God's chosen people, we need to do everything for them.
[01:20:19]  Like, there's a clear disconnect of continuity to sacred tradition, sacred scripture, and novelty and innovation that that's what needs to be destroyed.
[01:20:28]  Yeah.
[01:20:29]  Yeah.
[01:20:29]  When you look at Eastern Orthodoxy, you look at Roman Catholicism, you look at all of the classical Protestantism, all the way up until really even, I know it was in the 1840s or whatever, but really until about 1920, every 99% of all Christendom across the world had no framework of dispensationalism whatsoever.
[01:20:47]  Well, this is where you guys can help because the Catholics in this country are being attacked for being anti Semitic, for just sticking to Catholics.
[01:20:52]  theology.
[01:20:52]  Right.
[01:20:54]  Okay.
[01:20:54]  One more time here at the end.
[01:20:56]  So, we have two shows, one with Dale, one with Calvin, that are going to be coming out in the very near future.
[01:21:01]  The name of your show, Dale, is going to be American Grit.
[01:21:04]  Yeah, talking about American life through a Christian lens, the American family, the American identity, the American economy, the American politics, multiple different seasons.
[01:21:12]  Probably have a co host of mine who was a pastor at our church having a great discussion about things that matter, things that are practical, things that are useful.
[01:21:20]  Great.
[01:21:21]  And then, Calvin.
[01:21:22]  My next crusade will be looking at current events from a Christian perspective, and I'll be telling you why it's all down to the Jews.
[01:21:27]  I'm joking.
[01:21:29]  Great.
[01:21:30]  And then we also have both of your books that we can look forward to in the very near future.
[01:21:35]  Calvin's will be appearing first.
[01:21:37]  And then, Dale, yours will be a little bit late summer, early fall, is the timeline that we're looking at.
[01:21:43]  Calvin, your book.
[01:21:44]  The Silent Jihad.
[01:21:45]  The Silent Jihad.
[01:21:46]  And I do want to say for the record, I believe that you agreed with this that there wouldn't be the lion's share of the book because there is enough that really needs to be said about Islam and its conquest of.
[01:22:00]  The West, or at least its attempt.
[01:22:03]  But at least some disclaimer in the book in regards to the doors of Toledo and how to.
[01:22:11]  Who held it open?
[01:22:12]  Yeah, who keeps letting them.
[01:22:14]  I get attacked on this from both sides because I mentioned the problem of Islam and people are like, yeah, but it's the Jews who opened the door.
[01:22:19]  I'm like, yeah, I mentioned the problem of Judaism.
[01:22:21]  They're like, yeah, but the Mohammedans are raping your daughters.
[01:22:23]  Like, these are both issues.
[01:22:24]  They both need addressing.
[01:22:26]  Islam has taken over.
[01:22:27]  Yes, it's the broom of the Jews and they have opened the gates and it's the reason we have barbarians everywhere, but the barbarians need dealing with.
[01:22:34]  Yes.
[01:22:34]  And we're not dealing with them.
[01:22:35]  They are literally raping our daughters.
[01:22:36]  So let's get them out and let's close the doors and let's kick out the people who are opening the doors too.
[01:22:40]  Yes.
[01:22:41]  Very well said.
[01:22:42]  And then, Dale, your book 19 Reasons to Repeal the 19th Amendment.
[01:22:46]  I'm going to go through primarily the theological, the ideological, the philosophical, the economic, the political reasons, every possible dimension, and, you know, in a fairly short book, but giving an overview of the land of the damage that has been done through the 19th Amendment.
[01:23:07]  And Why it's not just wrong against scripture, coming from a biblical patriarchal perspective, but why it's never been done throughout history from any other nation.
[01:23:19]  And any other nation that embraces such a view where you're putting women in charge of making decisions for a particular nation, that nation falls.
[01:23:26]  And so I think there's going to be a lot of evidence, a lot of research, a lot of even looking at women suffer more from women's suffrage.
[01:23:34]  Also, that you have when the 19th Amendment first came to be, that there was a massive group of women that were against it.
[01:23:41]  And so you never hear some of these narratives.
[01:23:43]  So the history of it, the argument against it, and many reasons justifying it, I think that by the end, people are going to go, wow, I think women at the end are going to go, we must repeal this.
[01:23:52]  And that's my hope is that we can get thousands of people to read this book and that we can, over maybe the next 10, 15 years, have a Supreme Court case repealing the 19th Amendment.
[01:24:01]  If we can repeal Roe v. Wade or, you know, overturn Roe v. Wade, then I think we can overturn the 19th Amendment.
[01:24:08]  It's just going to take time.
[01:24:10]  Wow.
[01:24:10]  Some good Christian sexism.
[01:24:12]  Yes, that's right.

=== Monday Broadcast Wrap Up (00:54) ===

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