NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - Trump Is Not Our Guy (w/Nick Fuentes) - EP7
Aired: 2026-02-11
Duration: 01:14:02


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[00:00:00]  What he did in 16 was really animate the peasants and the rubes and the masses to bring the pitchforks and torches to burn it all down, you know, metaphorically, to really just change the system.
[00:00:12]  And what I saw him doing in 24 is subduing those people, making them complacent, getting them back in the feudal lords, you know.
[00:00:21]  Exactly, right back into the fold.
[00:00:23]  And so that's why I fundamentally oppose, because I don't doubt, is Trump 24 better than Kamala?
[00:00:31]  Obviously, everyone knows that.
[00:00:33]  Obviously, it's going to be better governance, but we have to think bigger than that second order effects, long term.
[00:00:42]  And is it the best idea that Trump is going to deliver these radicals back into the system?
[00:00:48]  And here's a case in point perfect example of this.
[00:00:52]  In 2020, you had like 80% of the Republicans believe the election was stolen and was illegitimate, and they were right.
[00:00:59]  In 2024, it's like 20% of Republicans believe the election is rigged.
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[00:03:12]  All right, Donald J. Trump.

=== Ideological Capture in Administration (13:06) ===

[00:03:14]  I got to be honest, I was a bit of a normie back in 2016.
[00:03:19]  I didn't vote for Hillary, of course, but I also just couldn't quite bring myself to vote for Trump.
[00:03:24]  Part of my reasoning was I was in California.
[00:03:27]  A vote for Trump in California is just pissing in the wind, you know, so I didn't feel terrible about it, but I did third party.
[00:03:34]  I wasted my vote.
[00:03:35]  You saw it early.
[00:03:36]  You were on the Trump train.
[00:03:38]  And then in 2020, you were still, you know, standing by him, knew that the election was going to be rigged.
[00:03:43]  2024, You started to feel differently and you voiced that very clearly, very explicitly.
[00:03:50]  So I was kind of the opposite.
[00:03:51]  You know, 2016, I didn't see it.
[00:03:53]  2020, I was there.
[00:03:55]  2024, I voted for Trump and I shielded him pretty hard.
[00:04:00]  All through the election, you know, in 2024, me and the guys saying, vote for Trump.
[00:04:04]  And yeah, you know, he's a little bad on this, that, and the other, but Kamala's going to be way worse.
[00:04:09]  You should vote for him.
[00:04:10]  Now, since being elected, his first year, there's been some things that I'm grateful for.
[00:04:16]  But I'll be honest, there's been some things I'm like, this is really bad.
[00:04:20]  And I'm finally kind of, you know, we've done a few episodes calling him out, some few episodes chimping, as the kids say.
[00:04:27]  But it's come to a point where I realize I still think he's definitely better than Kamala, but he's not the great man.
[00:04:35]  He's not our guy.
[00:04:37]  And you see that probably clearer than anyone.
[00:04:39]  You've been there since the beginning.
[00:04:42]  Why is Trump not our guy?
[00:04:45]  Well, that's a big question.
[00:04:47]  And I would say that.
[00:04:48]  You know, in this cycle in 2024, the reason that I hopped off, because I did consider him at one time to be the great man and our guy and truly an exceptional figure.
[00:05:01]  He would be transformative.
[00:05:02]  He would be in the vein of a Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan.
[00:05:06]  To put it very simply, he just is not competent at governing.
[00:05:11]  That's really kind of the key distinction because a lot of people like what Trump represents.
[00:05:17]  And what Trump represents to them.
[00:05:20]  As he's not left wing, he's not politically correct, he's patriotic.
[00:05:26]  And I think that in his heart of hearts, ideologically, he's with us.
[00:05:30]  He's America first.
[00:05:32]  Because for 30 years, he's been against free trade, he's been against foreign wars and immigration.
[00:05:38]  And those were the issues that animated the 2016 campaign.
[00:05:42]  And even to this day, these are the big issues, whether it's the tariffs, the mass deportations, the foreign policy.
[00:05:50]  Has probably changed the most.
[00:05:51]  I'd love to see those mass deportations.
[00:05:53]  Yeah, I would like to see them too.
[00:05:54]  Yeah, right.
[00:05:55]  But spiritually, you know, rhetorically, that's still the message.
[00:06:01]  And I think that in his heart of hearts, that is what he believes.
[00:06:05]  The problem is there's a disconnect between his own personal ideology and what the administration is actually doing.
[00:06:15]  And how do you account for that disconnect?
[00:06:17]  What's the dissonance there?
[00:06:18]  Because if you listen to his speeches, They're pretty consistent.
[00:06:22]  The rhetoric's relatively consistent.
[00:06:25]  It is the implementation by the personnel in the White House.
[00:06:30]  And to me, that is why, that is one of the major reasons I jumped off in 2024.
[00:06:36]  The disconnect between the administration and his personnel, you could kind of forgive with a first term.
[00:06:42]  Right.
[00:06:43]  Right?
[00:06:43]  It's like, okay, he didn't know how bad the swamp was going to be.
[00:06:47]  He picked some guys but couldn't see it.
[00:06:49]  They turned out to be traitors.
[00:06:51]  Fool me once, shame on you.
[00:06:53]  Fool me twice, you know, three times a lady, I think is how Bush said it.
[00:06:57]  But the second time, it's like I'm a lot less forgiving.
[00:06:59]  It's like this should have been ironed out.
[00:07:02]  Exactly.
[00:07:02]  In his first term, he had this excuse that you get elected president and you need personnel to then run the White House.
[00:07:10]  And if you're trying to drain the swamp, who do you bring in to actually do this?
[00:07:17]  Pam Bondi.
[00:07:18]  Pam Bondi.
[00:07:18]  Yeah, right.
[00:07:19]  Well, and in the first term, you come in with no people.
[00:07:24]  He had a very small campaign and they weren't political people.
[00:07:27]  There's a lot of people he knew from the business world.
[00:07:29]  There's a lot of people he knew from his other professions, his other careers, of which he's had many.
[00:07:35]  And so he relied.
[00:07:37]  Upon the RNC to staff the White House.
[00:07:40]  And so it was Ryan Priebus, who was the RNC chair.
[00:07:43]  He was then put in charge of staffing the White House.
[00:07:47]  And I knew a lot of people in the first Trump administration.
[00:07:50]  I would go to Washington, D.C., I'd get lunch with them, I'd get dinner with them, and they would joke about how if you were loyal to Trump, if you were on his campaign, it made you less likely to get hired by the Trump administration.
[00:08:06]  Really?
[00:08:06]  Yes.
[00:08:07]  Why?
[00:08:07]  They would count against you.
[00:08:09]  Why?
[00:08:09]  Because the people that were running the White House were people from the Rubio campaign, people from the Bush campaign, because these are Republicans that were part of that revolving door, that permanent bureaucratic political class, the managerial class.
[00:08:23]  Right.
[00:08:24]  So he was swept in in 16, and there was sort of this panic because you need to fill 10,000 positions, five to 10,000 positions.
[00:08:34]  He didn't have anybody, so he counted on the GOP.
[00:08:37]  They filled it up with their people.
[00:08:39]  Who were neither personally loyal to Trump nor were they ideologically aligned.
[00:08:45]  And so the actual Trump loyalists that did agree with him, that were loyal to him, they would be getting interviewed for a position by someone that worked for Rubio, someone that worked for Bush.
[00:08:57]  And so there was this deep frustration from people that either got passed over or even people that did get the job because they weren't able to implement the actual policies.
[00:09:08]  And this is where, for four years, You would just have downright insubordination.
[00:09:13]  You know, there were two really good examples.
[00:09:15]  There was that famous piece in the New York Times on the front page.
[00:09:19]  It was some low level staffer, but they said, I'm in the Trump administration.
[00:09:24]  Don't worry.
[00:09:25]  I'm fighting from within to like sabotage everything he's doing.
[00:09:29]  Yeah.
[00:09:30]  And you had a lot of that, just outright subversion.
[00:09:33]  You also had another case where I believe it was towards the end of his first term, Trump was ordering a drawdown in the troops in Syria.
[00:09:41]  Because we had thousands and thousands of troops ostensibly fighting ISIS, but really undermining the Assad regime.
[00:09:48]  And Trump, on no less than two occasions, gave the order to withdraw from Syria.
[00:09:55]  And the generals just disobeyed.
[00:09:57]  They'd refuse to implement it.
[00:09:58]  And not only that, but they lied about the troop totals to Trump himself in Iraq and Syria.
[00:10:05]  So you just had this downright subversion, disloyalty.
[00:10:10]  Personnel is policy, is like the biggest thing.
[00:10:13]  In 2020, in January 2020, they fired their head of PPO, which is a personnel office.
[00:10:22]  They hired a new guy named John McEntee.
[00:10:24]  He was a campaign loyalist.
[00:10:27]  He was there in the 2016 campaign.
[00:10:29]  I think they brought him on in 2015, in late 2015.
[00:10:33]  And this guy in 2020 implemented like loyalty tests.
[00:10:38]  Like you had to pledge allegiance to Trump to keep your job.
[00:10:41]  And he was interviewing people also for ideological consistency.
[00:10:46]  And so in 2020, they were getting a lot of the bad people out, good people in, and things started to change.
[00:10:52]  They started building the wall.
[00:10:54]  A lot of things started to get better, but it was just too little, too late.
[00:10:58]  And then the COVID pandemic hit and BLM happened.
[00:11:00]  And, but, but, point three.
[00:11:03]  And he would never back off the rhetoric of like, I did this vaccine.
[00:11:06]  It's like, dude, your own base hates it.
[00:11:10]  Yeah.
[00:11:10]  He finally did back off at this point.
[00:11:13]  But it's like, even all throughout the, you know, I call it the dark ages of, you know, the auto pen presidency.
[00:11:19]  For four years, he was still like bragging about things that people hate.
[00:11:23]  Right.
[00:11:23]  And then not even mentioning the things that got him elected in the first place, the things that people love.
[00:11:29]  Well, and that's such a huge part of it because, Not only did you have the failure of the personnel in the first term, but you also had this assimilation where Trump ran in 16 truly as an independent.
[00:11:43]  It was a stark break, not just from the radical left, but also from the establishment right.
[00:11:48]  Because in 2015, Jeb Bush was the front runner actually in the early phases of the primary, and he couldn't make up his mind on whether we were going to defend the legacy of the Iraq war.
[00:12:01]  That's how bad it was in 15.
[00:12:03]  And that's what Trump got him on early on.
[00:12:05]  He said, you know, it was a mistake.
[00:12:07]  It wasn't a mistake.
[00:12:08]  They can't even make up their mind on something that is so obviously unpopular.
[00:12:13]  And so Trump breaks with the GOP in 15 and says, we're against free trade.
[00:12:19]  We're against mass migration.
[00:12:20]  We're against foreign wars.
[00:12:22]  That's like an independent platform, that's like a populist nationalist platform.
[00:12:28]  But by 2020, he starts sounding like a regular conservative.
[00:12:32]  He's running on the Tax Cut and Jobs Act, which is a corporate tax cut.
[00:12:37]  And a corporate tax cut is very different than tariffs and going after free trade.
[00:12:43]  He starts running on the lowest black unemployment, best stock market in history.
[00:12:49]  He changes his tune on almost every issue.
[00:12:51]  And people basically say this is unrecognizable.
[00:12:54]  He ran as an independent in 2016.
[00:12:57]  In 2020, he's running like a Republican.
[00:13:00]  And so there's this ideological capture as well.
[00:13:03]  And so for me in 2024, I wasn't.
[00:13:08]  I was actually rooting for him in the primary against DeSantis and against Nikki Haley, but I was looking to see if he had learned his lesson from the first term.
[00:13:19]  I was open to it, but it became clear by 2024 who was running the campaign.
[00:13:25]  It was Chris Lasavita, Susie Wiles.
[00:13:29]  These people are terrible.
[00:13:30]  These are like GOP consultants, and they are, they epitomize that kind of consulting class that Trump railed against in 16 that he hated.
[00:13:40]  That are really part of the problem.
[00:13:42]  Not only that, but they weren't loyal to him.
[00:13:45]  They weren't loyal to him on January 6th and shortly afterward, and they're not ideologically America first.
[00:13:52]  And so it was around the summer of 2024 when they pushed out Project 2025, where a lot of the loyalists were involved.
[00:14:02]  This was a project to staff the White House with the right people.
[00:14:06]  If Susie Wiles and Las Vita were pushing out Project 2025, I said, then clearly Trump has not learned his lesson.
[00:14:14]  And in 24, we're going to get more of the same.
[00:14:17]  And Trump gets elected in 24.
[00:14:20]  The transition starts.
[00:14:21]  And who do they start putting up for the cabinet?
[00:14:24]  Marco Rubio, her Secretary of State, deja vu all over again.
[00:14:29]  In the first White House, it's all Rubio's people.
[00:14:31]  Now in 24, he is the third most powerful person in the cabinet.
[00:14:36]  Scripture tells us that when lawlessness increases, judgment is already underway.
[00:14:42]  Cities in chaos, liberals attacking ICE, borders ignored, and order mocked.
[00:14:48]  And while the streets burn, Washington is quietly burning something else the retirement savings of millions of Americans.
[00:14:57]  For people nearing retirement, there's no time to wait it out.
[00:15:01]  Scripture says the prudent man prepares.
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[00:15:50]  With this, for a second, let's pause.
[00:15:52]  So, I remember, you know, still to this day, you know, everybody, you know, for me, it's a smaller scale, but it's the same concept.
[00:15:59]  You know, it's like, well, you did this once upon a time.
[00:16:01]  You know, like you have a million conspiracies, you know, or controversies.
[00:16:05]  You know, every week there's like two or three, but there's, you know, the big ones that kind of stay with you, you know, like over the course of 10 years, you know, because people need a sound bite.
[00:16:14]  They need to be short, concise, you know.
[00:16:16]  So, if it's Nick Fuentes, it's like, well, he's a gay Mexican person.
[00:16:20]  Fed.

=== Spiritual War vs Human Enemies (04:23) ===

[00:16:21]  There's the top three, the big ones.
[00:16:23]  But another one that kind of became a regular one with all your detractors that would try to silence you or marginalize you is he told people to vote for Kamala.
[00:16:33]  Now, I went back and tried to watch some of those things and see, is there truth in that?
[00:16:38]  And I think there's a couple options from what I've seen.
[00:16:41]  And I want to give you a chance just to clear the air.
[00:16:44]  Number one, there really is a political strategy.
[00:16:47]  This is what I realized is just a lot of people don't understand politics.
[00:16:50]  And I'm including myself in that.
[00:16:51]  I'm a late bloomer.
[00:16:52]  Because for me, it was just, you know, I'm a pastor.
[00:16:55]  And so it was all just, it's theology.
[00:16:57]  It's, you know, it's a spiritual war against light and darkness.
[00:17:00]  And all those things are true.
[00:17:01]  I think at the 30,000 foot view, it's really what it is.
[00:17:04]  I mean, it's just, it's angels versus demons.
[00:17:07]  It's dark versus light.
[00:17:08]  Like that really is what it is.
[00:17:10]  But, you know, one of the verses that always kind of like stuck with me and I finally had to, you know, grapple with it is in 1 Timothy, Paul, the apostle, is writing under the inspiration of the Spirit to, A mentee, you know, a son in the faith, Timothy, who's a young man, he's a pastor, and he says, Rebuke your opponents with gentleness, not knowing if God might grant to them repentance, right?
[00:17:36]  This guy who's an enemy could become a friend.
[00:17:38]  God might grant to them repentance, and then he goes on, he says, And that they might be freed after having been taken captive by the devil to do his bidding.
[00:17:49]  So, everybody, Christians, evangelicals, Catholics, we all go to like Ephesians that says, Our battle is not with flesh and blood.
[00:17:55]  But principalities.
[00:17:57]  And that's true as far as it goes.
[00:17:58]  In the ultimate reality, if you're looking at the top level, yeah, it's a spiritual battle, right?
[00:18:03]  It really is.
[00:18:05]  The culture war is a spiritual war.
[00:18:06]  You know, the political war is a spiritual war.
[00:18:09]  It's a battle, angels and demons, dark versus light.
[00:18:11]  But our battle's not with flesh and blood, true, the Bible says it, but with principalities and spiritual powers.
[00:18:18]  But those spiritual powers, if we look at more of the Bible, actually take flesh and blood captive and employ flesh and blood in their ranks.
[00:18:28]  So, even though, yes, my arch enemy is the arch enemy of Christ, it is the devil himself, that devil, who is the source of all enmity, he employs people in his platoon, in his armies.
[00:18:44]  And so, all throughout the Psalms, when you're reading like David in the Psalms, he's constantly talking about his human enemies, his flesh and blood enemies.
[00:18:52]  And I feel like Christians today, Western Christians, especially in America, they have no framework for that kind of language of talking about enemies because they're just.
[00:19:02]  Too nice.
[00:19:03]  They don't actually have any enemies.
[00:19:05]  But Jesus literally said, The world hated me.
[00:19:08]  And because the world hated me, if you look anything like me, it's going to hate you too, right?
[00:19:14]  If you don't have any human enemies, not just the 17th dimension, ethereal, spiritual, that are real, but if that's the only enemy you have is spiritual enemies and no human enemies, then you're probably not doing a good job being a representative of Christ.
[00:19:28]  Because, spoiler, if anybody hasn't finished the story, they kill them.
[00:19:33]  Somebody didn't like him, and it wasn't just, you know, a demonic spirit comes and nails him to the cross, but like people, people hated Jesus.
[00:19:41]  A lot of guys loved him, but a lot of guys hated him as well.
[00:19:44]  And so, with all that being said, I'm starting to say okay, there's the spiritual war, that's paramount.
[00:19:52]  But there also are God who stands above it all in his sovereignty.
[00:19:57]  He's providentially working out all the implications of the spiritual war in temporal, earthly, tangible, human ways.
[00:20:05]  There are human actors, right?
[00:20:07]  So, I can't be a Christian and not care about politics.
[00:20:12]  Okay.
[00:20:12]  And so as I've started all that long way of saying, as I've started kind of delving in and beginning this political journey, and I mean, on the Lord's Day, it's word and sacrament.
[00:20:22]  I'm preaching through books of the Bible, it's the Lord's Supper, it's baptism, it's those things.
[00:20:26]  I think that's belonging to the church and the church's calling.
[00:20:29]  But Monday through Saturday, I'm not just a pastor, I'm also a citizen of the United States.
[00:20:34]  I'm also just an individual Christian man and a husband and a father.
[00:20:38]  I've got five kids and they happen to be white, and I know the world hates them, and I want them to have a fighting chance.

=== China Tariffs and Biblical Policy (11:57) ===

[00:20:44]  And I know that.
[00:20:45]  I must be politically engaged to give them even a hope at a future.
[00:20:52]  And so, as I've started to embark in politics, I've realized that the purity spiraling, beautiful loser kind of thing that I'll be honest, I'm inclined towards as a pastor.
[00:21:02]  Pastors and evangelical Christians, we work in this kind of a paradigm of the ideal.
[00:21:09]  But in reality, that's not always the way that the world works.
[00:21:13]  And so, as I become more politically mindful, I've realized, yes, sometimes you just have to actually say, Not critiquing after, but before when you actually still have the levers of power, when the guy's running, when he's actually campaigning, when it's election season.
[00:21:28]  Sometimes you have to say, hey, dude, I will literally straight up vote for your opponent if you don't get it together.
[00:21:36]  Now, pastorally, in the Christian kind of realm, ideologically, it's like, dude, Nick, you can't be serious.
[00:21:46]  Vote for Kamala, the nation is done.
[00:21:48]  We've got 30, 40 million immigrants under the auto pen.
[00:21:52]  The borders are, we get 30, 40 more.
[00:21:54]  Like, I can do the math.
[00:21:56]  We never win an election ever again.
[00:21:58]  And I understand it's more of the same two sides of one coin GOP, the Democrats, but like, dude, you're like, and so a lot of people were mad at you.
[00:22:05]  Yeah.
[00:22:06]  And I'll be honest, I saw that and I was like, dude, I think you've got some good takes, but this ain't it, Chief.
[00:22:10]  You know, like, you're, you're going to kill the country.
[00:22:13]  So even some of my friends, even some of my pastor buddies, you know, like, knowing that we were going to do this and like, you're like, and they weren't even like, you're going to have the gay fed Mexican.
[00:22:23]  No, it was like, you're going to have the guy.
[00:22:25]  Who said, you know, encouraged because people listen to you, millions of young men to go out and vote for Kamala?
[00:22:31]  That guy, he can't be our guy.
[00:22:32]  Right.
[00:22:35]  That's just an edgelord provocateur.
[00:22:38]  That dude, he's America first.
[00:22:40]  No, he hates America.
[00:22:42]  Clarify that.
[00:22:43]  Yeah.
[00:22:44]  Well, what I actually said last year, because I never told anybody to vote for Kamala and I didn't vote for Kamala.
[00:22:51]  I didn't think you did.
[00:22:52]  You just said, Trump has to get together or I'll withhold my vote from him.
[00:22:56]  Exactly.
[00:22:56]  Well, and so.
[00:22:58]  You know, when people say you told people to vote for Kamala, that is a lie.
[00:23:03]  And it's a political lie.
[00:23:06]  And it was a political lie that people intentionally created because they didn't like what I was actually saying.
[00:23:14]  And what I was actually saying is that we need to pay attention to Trump's campaign rhetoric and what he's really promising.
[00:23:21]  And so this was in response to two things in particular, which I think anybody would find troubling.
[00:23:27]  Last year, or in, I guess, Depending on when we're filming this and when it releases, it was in May of 2024.
[00:23:36]  Nikki Haley goes to Israel and she endorses Trasit.
[00:23:40]  Oh, yeah.
[00:23:41]  One of many trips.
[00:23:43]  Nikki Haley goes to Israel on behalf, she says, of the Trump campaign.
[00:23:49]  She drops out of the race.
[00:23:50]  She endorses Trump.
[00:23:52]  And in the same week, Miriam Adelson commits to give Trump $100 million.
[00:23:57]  The Adelsons are right here.
[00:23:59]  They are.
[00:23:59]  Because I'm in Texas and they're right up there in DFW.
[00:24:02]  We've got friends there.
[00:24:03]  I mean, they were an inch away from putting that casino in there that would just economically and culturally, I mean, it would draw like flies, you know, just.
[00:24:12]  Degeneracy and they're bad news.
[00:24:14]  They are.
[00:24:15]  And they're Israel first.
[00:24:16]  Yes.
[00:24:16]  Everyone knows that they're single issue voters.
[00:24:19]  And Miriam is worse than Sheldon because she's actually Israeli.
[00:24:23]  Her late husband, oh, yeah, he's American.
[00:24:26]  She's Israeli.
[00:24:27]  She's way more hardcore, actually, than he is, which is somewhat ironic.
[00:24:31]  And so you have this quid pro quo in the spring where Nikki Haley is a client of Miriam Adelson, always has been.
[00:24:40]  So Haley, and she's a neocon.
[00:24:43]  Yeah.
[00:24:44]  Major part of the problem.
[00:24:45]  She drops out of the race, visits Israel, endorses Trump, and the deal is then Adelson will give Trump all this money.
[00:24:53]  And the question is, what did Trump give in return?
[00:24:56]  And it's reported that Trump has committed that he's going to allow Israel to annex the West Bank and that he will confront Iran.
[00:25:04]  Because this is happening in the context of the Gaza war and the broader regional war, where Israel is constantly provoking Iran into a battle, which they hope will draw in the United States to destroy Iran or have regime change in Iran.
[00:25:19]  That was the first thing I didn't like.
[00:25:21]  And I said, if Trump is elected, there's a real risk that we're going to go to war with Iran.
[00:25:27]  And a lot of people, that just wasn't even on their radar because people were not paying attention.
[00:25:31]  And so they saw Gaza because that's the headline and that it was that stage of the conflict.
[00:25:37]  But anybody who was paying attention knew it was going towards Iran.
[00:25:41]  That is where it's been building for over a decade, really, ever since Trump's first term, because it was Trump that withdrew us from the Iran deal.
[00:25:50]  Not to get too into the weeds, but the point being is that is something that wasn't on people's radar, but I did accurately predict.
[00:25:57]  I said, there's going to be a significant effort to bring the United States to war.
[00:26:01]  And under Trump, it's far more likely because he's got backing from the Israel lobby.
[00:26:06]  His administration will be filled with people from South Florida who are loyal to the Israel lobby in South Florida, as it's a major hub of pro Israel Jews there, Jewish donors.
[00:26:17]  That's what makes up the GOP down there.
[00:26:19]  I said, so that's one.
[00:26:21]  Two, He does a fundraiser at David Sachs' house in San Francisco.
[00:26:28]  Is he one of the guys on the All In podcast?
[00:26:30]  Yes.
[00:26:31]  Yes.
[00:26:32]  He's from the PayPal Mafia, major Silicon Valley connector.
[00:26:37]  So Trump does a big fundraiser, which this was brought together by JD Vance at David Sachs' house.
[00:26:43]  And all the Silicon Valley money is now going to go behind Trump.
[00:26:48]  All of the Silicon Valley money from Little Tech.
[00:26:51]  And these are venture capitalists, these are smaller tech firms that aim to disrupt.
[00:26:57]  Big tech and Silicon Valley with like the next wave of technologies, big data, AI, VR, some of the defense stuff.
[00:27:06]  Not to put you on the spot, but could you name, do you have on the top of your mind a couple of the names of companies?
[00:27:12]  Some of these.
[00:27:12]  Sure.
[00:27:13]  What's an example?
[00:27:14]  Palantir is part of Little Tech.
[00:27:17]  Andoril, which works very closely with Palantir, is another Little Tech company.
[00:27:22]  Palantir does the big data and software.
[00:27:26]  Andoril does drones and VR.
[00:27:29]  And so a lot of government contracts.
[00:27:31]  And another one's Andreessen Horowitz, which is a venture capital firm.
[00:27:34]  And Mark Andreessen and Ben Horowitz, they put a lot of money behind Trump in 24.
[00:27:39]  And they're invested in all these Silicon Valley companies.
[00:27:42]  Those are just a few.
[00:27:43]  But so.
[00:27:44]  Do you remember when I think Alex Karp, so Peter Thiel, you know, was a big part of the launch of PayPal or Palantir and is still involved.
[00:27:51]  Alex Karp, CEO, who he's Jewish, right?
[00:27:54]  Alex Karp, yes.
[00:27:55]  So Peter Thiel, gay, Alex Karp, Jewish, match made in heaven.
[00:28:00]  What could go wrong?
[00:28:00]  But Alex Karp, correct me if this is just, you know, rumors, but I'm pretty sure at one point he said that his greatest fear, right?
[00:28:09]  He's, I'm on the right, I'm against, you know, the extreme left.
[00:28:12]  But he said, My greatest fear is the Christian nationalists take control and throw me out of a window.
[00:28:18]  Yes.
[00:28:19]  And he has control over facial recognition software with an administration that wants anti Semitism laws.
[00:28:29]  And this is good?
[00:28:30]  Right.
[00:28:31]  Yeah, that's a real quote.
[00:28:33]  And, you know, Alex Karp, he's Jewish, he's very pro Israel.
[00:28:38]  And like many Jews, he said that he's paranoid that Christian nationalists are going to come to power, take him out.
[00:28:44]  I'm a Christian nationalist.
[00:28:45]  That's not good.
[00:28:47]  No, no.
[00:28:48]  And they maintain an enemy's list.
[00:28:50]  Palantir maintains a list of millions of Americans that they consider to be potential subversives, dissidents.
[00:28:57]  You're for sure on the list.
[00:28:58]  Do you think I would be?
[00:28:59]  Certainly.
[00:28:59]  Yeah.
[00:28:59]  Certainly.
[00:29:00]  And if it's in the millions, it's your viewers.
[00:29:03]  Yeah.
[00:29:03]  It's my viewers.
[00:29:04]  Yeah.
[00:29:05]  There's not a two million podcasters, it's ordinary Americans.
[00:29:10]  And that's just their, that's just some of their, you could argue, their deeper ideology or something having to do with their religion.
[00:29:19]  But, You don't even have to go that deep because the bigger thing with Silicon Valley, which isn't even a conspiracy theory or deniable, is that what they really are after is cheap labor.
[00:29:31]  Because when Trump does his fundraiser with Silicon Valley, they aim to disrupt the tech world with government contracts and other things.
[00:29:40]  And their big push now, of course, is AI.
[00:29:42]  They want to build these data centers, they want to bring chip manufacturing to the United States.
[00:29:48]  There's a lot of things they want to bring to it.
[00:29:50]  They want to build an Andoril drone plant in Ohio.
[00:29:54]  Is that with the chips?
[00:29:56]  Taiwan would be the biggest, right?
[00:29:58]  TSMC, yes.
[00:29:59]  Right.
[00:30:00]  And are you under the impression?
[00:30:03]  Like, I know that China is the boogeyman all the time.
[00:30:06]  And you've kind of pointed that out that, yeah, China's not great, but maybe not quite like the number one supreme enemy that we should be worried about on a daily basis as Americans.
[00:30:17]  But would you say, yeah, but Taiwan will eventually probably be China?
[00:30:23]  I think it's inevitable.
[00:30:24]  I think it is.
[00:30:24]  Just because of the distance from China.
[00:30:27]  And it's in our interest to do that.
[00:30:29]  So then we do need some chips, right?
[00:30:30]  Yes.
[00:30:31]  And I'm in favor of that, which Trump and Biden have, there's been a new bipartisan consensus since Trump that this is a problem.
[00:30:40]  And by the problem, I mean supply chains, which is how do we get our electronics?
[00:30:46]  How do we secure critical minerals, of which China mines and processes almost all of them?
[00:30:50]  At the time of our recording, that was just kind of the thing last week and the market's biggest dip since April.
[00:30:58]  Yes.
[00:30:59]  Because Trump came out and he was like, we're going to do a 5 million percent tariff on China.
[00:31:04]  I think it was like 130 or something like that.
[00:31:07]  Right.
[00:31:07]  Well, because Trump is the one that really introduced in 2016 this idea that we need to very strongly confront China in the Pacific.
[00:31:17]  And then it was the pandemic, which really exposed the vulnerabilities of the supply chain dependency because we got our pharmaceuticals from China, masks, all the things that we needed during the pandemic, we relied on China for them.
[00:31:31]  All the things we needed.
[00:31:32]  Right.
[00:31:32]  Yeah.
[00:31:33]  Right.
[00:31:33]  Well, and we do need some of the things from them.
[00:31:36]  And even in wartime, it's things you wouldn't expect.
[00:31:39]  It's not just the military goods, but it's every kind of thing that you might need in a war.
[00:31:43]  And so, even in the Biden administration, they were pushing for subsidies for chips.
[00:31:48]  And arguably, it's too little, too late, but they are starting to build this ecosystem in Phoenix.
[00:31:55]  I think it's north, right around Scottsdale.
[00:31:57]  They're building like a whole new chip fabrication plant in the United States, huge investment, which is a good idea.
[00:32:07]  But here's the problem.
[00:32:09]  For things like this and the Andoril plant and the data centers and the rest of it, they want to bring in all this cheap labor from India.
[00:32:17]  Because who's going to run all this stuff?
[00:32:20]  They don't want to pay Americans to get educated.
[00:32:22]  They don't want to give Americans benefits and high wages.
[00:32:25]  They want to bring over cheap labor from India.
[00:32:29]  In 1979, Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin gifted Jerry Falwell a luxurious Learjet 25 worth millions of dollars.
[00:32:38]  Officially, it was a token of gratitude for his support.

=== Cheap Labor and Financial Incentives (15:57) ===

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[00:32:54]  His moral majority made backing Israel a core platform, preaching American prosperity hinged upon blessing the Jewish state, or else face God's wrath.
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[00:33:28]  Dude, in the greater Austin area, I always specify I do not live in Austin.
[00:33:35]  I don't live in Austin.
[00:33:36]  Far enough away, separate county, to hopefully have the police not be defunded, but close enough to where, you know, we have that clientele, so to speak.
[00:33:45]  But my neighborhood, I mean, it's half Indians.
[00:33:49]  Yeah.
[00:33:50]  You know, and like, I've got five little kids.
[00:33:52]  I got in big trouble for saying this, you know, a year, year and a half ago.
[00:33:55]  But yeah, we like, you know, we go to the neighborhood swimming pool and I have to explain, you know, my little girls asking, you know, dad, what is this person wearing?
[00:34:06]  You know, and it's not just, you know, like, well, that's a different culture.
[00:34:10]  And even that, I have a problem with that.
[00:34:13]  It's not American.
[00:34:14]  This is America.
[00:34:15]  We don't do that.
[00:34:16]  Right.
[00:34:16]  You know, like, some people are like, okay, well, if it was a religious distinction as a Christian pastor, then maybe.
[00:34:22]  You'd have a leg to stand on, and you could, you know, you could criticize that as long as you're super gentle and super nice.
[00:34:27]  And by the time you're done with your criticism, it's not even a criticism, even more.
[00:34:31]  But like to criticize culture, um, cultures are not equal, Western culture is superior, and people make culture.
[00:34:41]  So you can connect those dots, you know, like you can criticize a culture.
[00:34:44]  I think we finally have gotten to that with the Overton window where we can actually say one culture is better than another, but cultures don't grow out of the ether, people make cultures.
[00:34:53]  So if a culture is better, You know, like you can connect those dots pretty close together.
[00:34:59]  And, you know, as a pastor, I root a lot of that in religion.
[00:35:03]  You know, I do think that there's something to be said for race, and we're going to do a whole episode on that.
[00:35:08]  So I think there's a genetic component, but I'm not a race essentialist, and I don't think you are either.
[00:35:13]  I think you would say Christian first, right?
[00:35:16]  And then, yes, it does matter heritage and those kinds of things and ancestry, but Christ first.
[00:35:22]  Is that fair to your position?
[00:35:23]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:35:25]  You know, when I'm going to the swimming pool with the girls, it's not just a different cultural garb, but it's like a lot of it is religious.
[00:35:33]  It's like, I've got to explain why, you know, like a 70 year old Indian woman is showing her midriff, you know, and has a dot on her forehead.
[00:35:40]  And it's like, yeah, it's not just cultural.
[00:35:43]  And they're like, well, we don't do that as Christians.
[00:35:45]  Like, so how is that religious?
[00:35:47]  And it's like, well, sweetheart, we want to be polite, we want to be kind.
[00:35:53]  But, you know, our neighbor, who we love, worships sand demons.
[00:35:59]  They worship other gods.
[00:36:00]  Well, are those other gods good?
[00:36:02]  No, those other gods are evil, they're demonic.
[00:36:06]  And they're like, well, I thought America loved Jesus.
[00:36:11]  America does not love Jesus and hasn't for quite some time.
[00:36:14]  We used to.
[00:36:15]  We used to, you know, like Easter Sunday in Manhattan on three towers have like crosses lit up.
[00:36:21]  Like America used to be incredible.
[00:36:24]  And I want my kids to grow up in an America that was already gone even by the time I was a kid.
[00:36:30]  But it's not just like we'll just preach the gospel and conversion.
[00:36:34]  Like it's never less than that.
[00:36:35]  So I'm not substituting.
[00:36:37]  Right?
[00:36:37]  It is preach the gospel, do the work of an evangelist, pray.
[00:36:42]  But it's also, we have a flood of foreigners, and they're not just incompatible with America culturally.
[00:36:48]  We have a flood of foreigners who worship foreign gods.
[00:36:52]  And people always point to the Bible, well, Ruth was a foreigner.
[00:36:54]  She can't.
[00:36:54]  Yeah, but she says, your God will be my God, your people will be my people.
[00:36:58]  Implicitly, there's a forsaking of the former gods and the former people.
[00:37:03]  She doesn't set up little Moab in Israel when she moves there and set up shrines to Moabite gods and.
[00:37:11]  And bring 47 members of her family and third cousins to join her.
[00:37:16]  No, she says, I'm an Israelite now.
[00:37:19]  That means your people are my people.
[00:37:22]  This place is my place, and your God is my God.
[00:37:26]  And by virtue of saying that implicitly, we are meant to assume a forsaking of everything beyond that.
[00:37:32]  And then she gets to be queen.
[00:37:34]  No, but by the fourth generation, she marries Boaz, they beget Obed, Obed begets Jesse.
[00:37:41]  Jesse begets David.
[00:37:43]  And so, by four generations, with true forsaking, it's only with forsaking that you can have assimilating.
[00:37:49]  So, if truly there's a forsaking in that first generation, there can be a real assimilation, religiously, culturally, you know, all these kinds of things.
[00:37:57]  And then you get to have all the same privilege.
[00:37:59]  No, you're going to have to wait.
[00:38:02]  But your great grandchildren, they could be president, they could be king.
[00:38:07]  And David was a man after God's own heart and the best king that Israel ever had.
[00:38:11]  I feel like that's a reasonable position.
[00:38:14]  But this idea that we can just import people by the millions for cheap labor, and in 15 minutes, we'd consider them just as American as you and I.
[00:38:25]  It's like, what are we talking about?
[00:38:27]  Right.
[00:38:28]  Well, and there's just a powerful financial incentive.
[00:38:30]  The people that are bringing them here are immigrants themselves.
[00:38:34]  Elon Musk and Peter Thiel are both immigrants.
[00:38:37]  So true, King.
[00:38:38]  And, you know, the Vivac, right.
[00:38:41]  His parents are immigrants.
[00:38:43]  Right.
[00:38:43]  All these people that are driving this, they have no attachment to the country or identify identity with it themselves.
[00:38:52]  And anyway, it's a financial incentive.
[00:38:55]  They're not thinking about the long term implications.
[00:38:58]  And even if they are, they're rationalizing that by the present consideration, which is it's cheap labor.
[00:39:05]  And this was, anyway, getting back to my problem with Trump he goes to this fundraiser, and in order to secure the money from Silicon Valley, He goes on the all in podcast with David Sachs and he commits that he is going to give a green card to every graduate of a university on a foreign student visa, which is, this is not a new idea.
[00:39:30]  They call it stapling green cards to diplomas.
[00:39:33]  We're going to staple a green card to the diploma of every foreign student.
[00:39:37]  It's a very old idea, going back 15 years.
[00:39:39]  And Obama talked about it.
[00:39:41]  Clinton talked about it.
[00:39:43]  Romney talked about it.
[00:39:44]  Like on both sides, they're in favor of this cheap labor.
[00:39:48]  Charlie Kirk talked about it at one time during the Groyper Wars six years ago.
[00:39:52]  And so he said.
[00:39:53]  Charlie Kirk, BFF for you?
[00:39:55]  Oh, yeah, certainly.
[00:39:56]  Well, we could get into him, you know, in the background.
[00:39:58]  Yeah, we'll do that later.
[00:39:58]  Yeah.
[00:39:59]  But, um, But so Trump says on the All In podcast, we're going to staple green cards to diplomas.
[00:40:06]  And he reiterates this several times throughout the campaign.
[00:40:09]  We want as many H 1Bs and F 1 visas as possible.
[00:40:13]  And so it was in response to these two things, specifically these two things, in the summer of 2024, where I said, if Trump gets elected, are we going to get an infinite amount of foreign labor and legal immigration from India and Asia?
[00:40:31]  I said, and are we going to get a war with Iran?
[00:40:33]  Because if that's the case, then this is not MAGA.
[00:40:36]  This is not America First.
[00:40:38]  This is not what we voted for in 16.
[00:40:41]  Then I had a lot of other problems with the campaign, too, but those were the big ones.
[00:40:45]  And I led this campaign in August of last year where I said, look, if Trump doesn't say that he will not go to war with Iran, if he does not say that we're going to have an immigration moratorium as opposed to limitless H1Bs and F1s, I said, then I'm not voting for him.
[00:41:05]  And I can't tell anybody to vote for him because if there's a question mark on any of those issues, on either of those issues, it's not really worth it because those are completely contrary.
[00:41:17]  They're actually the opposite of what he promised in 2016.
[00:41:21]  So we led this campaign, me and the Groypers, on True Social, on Twitter.
[00:41:26]  We did an email campaign.
[00:41:28]  We put up a billboard.
[00:41:29]  Were you back on Twitter by then?
[00:41:30]  I was.
[00:41:30]  That's right.
[00:41:31]  I came back in May of 24.
[00:41:34]  And so we led this campaign and we said no war with Iran.
[00:41:38]  No more immigration.
[00:41:39]  And if you can't commit to those things, we're not going to vote for you.
[00:41:43]  And we weren't going to vote for Kamala because we don't support what Kamala believes.
[00:41:47]  She's terrible.
[00:41:48]  Yeah.
[00:41:48]  Obviously.
[00:41:49]  Yeah.
[00:41:49]  And she'd be worse even than Trump.
[00:41:51]  But like you said earlier, this was a message to Trump hey, get it together if you're serious about winning.
[00:41:58]  And to me, this is a very important thing that we, as the so called base of the Republican Party, the base of support, need to understand.
[00:42:09]  When the Republican candidate goes out there, He's pandering to racial and ethnic minorities.
[00:42:16]  He's pandering to the middle and independence.
[00:42:19]  Heritage Americans are always just assumed.
[00:42:21]  Exactly.
[00:42:22]  Never appreciated, just assumed.
[00:42:25]  And if they're always assuming, and if it's a safe assumption that you're in their column, then they're never going to do anything for you.
[00:42:32]  And as a matter of fact, when they're looking to make compromises, they're going to trade off the things you want for the things that the voters, they do not have yet.
[00:42:43]  I have you, so I can give your stuff away.
[00:42:46]  I don't have them, so I'll give your stuff to them.
[00:42:49]  And that's what he did with Silicon Valley and with the Israel lobby.
[00:42:53]  He said, if I want money from Silicon Valley, I need to give them the cheap labor.
[00:42:58]  The base will understand.
[00:43:00]  If I want Miriam Adelson, I might have to give her a war with Iran.
[00:43:04]  The base will understand.
[00:43:05]  I'll convince them.
[00:43:07]  And so throughout the year, I was trying to convince our own people take your own side.
[00:43:14]  Because Silicon Valley, Would not support Trump unless he helped them.
[00:43:20]  That's right.
[00:43:20]  Adelson would not support Trump unless he helped her in Israel.
[00:43:25]  But we would vote for Trump no matter what.
[00:43:28]  And that's why we're the suckers.
[00:43:30]  So, this was a very calculated lie that came out of, and I do believe it's not conspiratorial.
[00:43:36]  They're trying to win a campaign.
[00:43:37]  This was an attack on the campaign.
[00:43:40]  And I think that elements in the campaign turned out this narrative that me and the Groypers were Democrats or we were pushing Kamala.
[00:43:48]  That's what they were doing.
[00:43:48]  It was a malicious lie.
[00:43:50]  And a lot of people bought into that, but I'm okay with that.
[00:43:53]  They've done the same thing.
[00:43:54]  And maybe, well, because we're going to do a whole episode where we talk about JD Vance.
[00:43:57]  Right.
[00:43:58]  And they've done the same thing, you know, in regards to Gavin Newsom.
[00:44:01]  Right.
[00:44:02]  Oh, what a Chad.
[00:44:03]  He's so based, you know.
[00:44:05]  And I feel like, you know, like I think that one, I do think I've seen clips where you have gone a little further.
[00:44:13]  Yes.
[00:44:14]  You know, then what you did with, you know, I'll vote for Kamala.
[00:44:17]  That one, you have gone further.
[00:44:19]  But I feel like it's probably fair to say, at least in principle, conceptually, same strategy.
[00:44:25]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:44:26]  Absolutely.
[00:44:27]  Even though, like, you, with Trump, you can at least say, no, but there was a time.
[00:44:32]  Really was animated by that guy.
[00:44:34]  Oh, yeah.
[00:44:34]  Really appreciated that guy.
[00:44:36]  Whereas Vance, you've kind of never been for.
[00:44:39]  Exactly.
[00:44:39]  And with Trump, this is the other thing about him.
[00:44:43]  People, and, you know, not to sound condescending or patronizing, but you say that you weren't really on board with Trump in 16.
[00:44:52]  And that's true with a lot of people.
[00:44:53]  Because I just wasn't politically savvy.
[00:44:55]  It wasn't like I saw something and made this, like I would have said it at the time, right?
[00:45:00]  Like I'm sure I would have said it.
[00:45:01]  I would have said, well, I see this issue, and because of this issue, I'm making a calculated decision.
[00:45:06]  Here's the reality, though.
[00:45:07]  Me and everybody else, it's because we just didn't really care about politics.
[00:45:12]  In part, because our lives weren't falling apart in 2016 the way they were later down the road.
[00:45:19]  Part of the reason everybody's become more political is because they've realized, oh, it actually matters.
[00:45:24]  And I just was stupid enough to where it took a little bit of pain to wake me up.
[00:45:29]  Yeah, and that was a lot of people.
[00:45:31]  And Trump in 2016 was very new and very divisive and kind of shocking.
[00:45:37]  He was sort of like shocked.
[00:45:38]  Therapy for the in a cultural sense for the country.
[00:45:41]  And so many people that were here for 24, this is a tale often told, were not there for 16.
[00:45:49]  And the reason that that matters is because in 2016, first of all, that's when he was at his peak.
[00:45:56]  That's when he was in his prime.
[00:45:59]  That was the victory, miraculous victory in the primary against 16 other Republicans.
[00:46:05]  And then in the general against Clinton, which is what made him.
[00:46:09]  This iconic figure really cemented his legacy.
[00:46:12]  That was the movement.
[00:46:14]  And what I tell people on my show, which is hard to kind of convey now if you weren't there for it in 16, and we sort of touched on this how he was an independent and he had these like populist issues.
[00:46:26]  In 16, it was a completely different proposition.
[00:46:30]  And the proposition that he laid out in his announcement speech in June 2015 was this he said, Politicians are all talk, no action.
[00:46:41]  He said, and the reason.
[00:46:42]  That they're all talking no action is because they're being paid.
[00:46:46]  He said they are being paid.
[00:46:48]  We have a corrupt system that is run by donors, consultants, special interests, international banks, he even said.
[00:46:57]  He said, and because the politicians are all bribed, that's why they're never going to deliver real change.
[00:47:03]  They're not putting Americans first, they're putting special interest donors and foreign countries first.
[00:47:09]  He said, but I'm rich.
[00:47:12]  He said, I'm so rich, I'm a billionaire.
[00:47:14]  I don't need their money.
[00:47:15]  I don't need donors and super PACs and all that.
[00:47:19]  He said, and because of that, I can change the system and I can deliver real change, real victories, not like the kind of BS, you know, the press conference.
[00:47:31]  Right.
[00:47:31]  He said, no, I'm actually good.
[00:47:33]  He said, and it's my favorite line in his announcement speech.
[00:47:37]  He said, we need a leader.
[00:47:39]  He said, we need someone that can literally take this country and make it great again.
[00:47:44]  And like, maybe he was saying that in a flippant way, but what I hear in that is decisive action.
[00:47:51]  We need.
[00:47:53]  One leader who's going to literally take the country and change it.
[00:47:58]  Like Napoleon.
[00:47:59]  Exactly.
[00:47:59]  Right?
[00:48:00]  He who saves this country violates no laws.
[00:48:03]  Let's go.
[00:48:04]  Let's go.
[00:48:05]  Yes.
[00:48:06]  And everyone recognizes that in the age of super PACs, in the age of the corrupt centralized media, in the age of the money that's controlling politics, we do need an intervention like that because the system cannot save itself, it can't deliver change.
[00:48:25]  And so.
[00:48:26]  In 16, you had this very distinct message.
[00:48:29]  It wasn't, we're going to beat the Democrats and cut your taxes.
[00:48:33]  We're going to beat the radical left, blah, blah, for freedom and small government.
[00:48:38]  He said, no.

=== Napoleon Style Government Leadership (15:11) ===

[00:48:39]  That just wasn't the language of the 16 campaign.
[00:48:43]  He said, our country, even inside Make America Great Again, there's three ideas inside Make America Great Again.
[00:48:50]  I know what you're going to say.
[00:48:52]  One is just the assumption that America used to be great.
[00:48:57]  Whereas everybody else, whether it was GOP or Democrat on both sides of the aisle, they would say, America used to be racist.
[00:49:03]  America used to be bigoted.
[00:49:04]  America used to be this.
[00:49:06]  So just to have a guy who's able to look into the past and say, that was good.
[00:49:13]  Like that was completely novel at the time.
[00:49:16]  That was less revolutionary, though.
[00:49:18]  I think the bigger revolutionary idea, because Republicans were always saying, we love the flag and whatever.
[00:49:24]  But Trump said, it was great, but it isn't anymore.
[00:49:29]  But it can be again if we take decisive action, if like the people take control over the government.
[00:49:37]  That was so powerful.
[00:49:38]  And so you have this totally new idea.
[00:49:42]  Like the speeches in 2016 were unbelievable.
[00:49:46]  I mean, there was one where it was so forceful.
[00:49:49]  They were calling it like anti Semitic because he went up there and said Hillary Clinton is a puppet of the international banks and the media and the special interests.
[00:50:00]  He said, He said, This election will determine whether we, the people, retain control over our government.
[00:50:06]  It was like, this was like seriously new and fresh and different.
[00:50:13]  And that was the proposition in 16: it's not about small government and all that, the usual stuff.
[00:50:21]  This is about revanchism.
[00:50:23]  This is about restoring America, greatness, excellence.
[00:50:27]  We just want America to be better.
[00:50:29]  We're going to rally the people.
[00:50:31]  We're going to.
[00:50:32]  Bypass this sclerotic bureaucratic system with decisive action that comes from the top.
[00:50:39]  Trump's a businessman.
[00:50:40]  He's going to run the government like a business.
[00:50:42]  There's going to be high turnover.
[00:50:44]  People from the outside will come in.
[00:50:47]  It will not be bought by the moneyed power from Wall Street and from the big industries.
[00:50:52]  That was the idea.
[00:50:54]  And in 24, of course, he's taking $200 million from Tim Mellon, a banker, almost $300 million from Elon Musk, the richest man in the world.
[00:51:06]  If there ever was a moneyed interest, who has done some good things, but also chimped out over H 1B visas at Christmas.
[00:51:14]  Yes.
[00:51:14]  At Christmas.
[00:51:15]  He's like, hey, I know you're celebrating the birth of our savior with your family and kids, but also let's get a bunch of Hindus in here.
[00:51:23]  Right.
[00:51:23]  It's like, what?
[00:51:24]  Well, and that just gets to the point.
[00:51:26]  It's like Elon's giving him all this money because he wants the labor.
[00:51:31]  The bankers are giving him this money because they want the tax cuts and the deregulation and the kind of financial predictability.
[00:51:38]  Mary Madelson's giving him money because she knows he's going to come in for Israel.
[00:51:42]  And so in 24, even beyond the kind of tangible things like war with Iran or H 1Bs, It's like spiritually, this is not the same movement.
[00:51:53]  Trump became another Republican.
[00:51:56]  And what was really kind of crushing about this is that he was really like a Trojan horse because you knew that he was coming in with the special interests, the donors, the lobbyists, the consultants, the GOP, Chris Lasavitas, Susie Wiles, Rubio.
[00:52:13]  He's coming in with all these, a parade of terrible people, but everyone's going to buy it because it's him.
[00:52:20]  Because it's the look, because he's doing the dance, because he's got that.
[00:52:24]  You know, that cache from the first movement.
[00:52:26]  And so I sort of saw him as running on the fumes of the hype of that kind of groundbreaking moment in 16, but really delivering the people back into the hands of the system.
[00:52:40]  Because what he did in 16 was really animate the peasants and the rubes and the masses to bring the pitchforks and torches to burn it all down, you know, metaphorically, to really just change the system.
[00:52:54]  And what I saw him doing in 24.
[00:52:56]  Is subduing those people, making them complacent, getting them back in the feudal lords, you know, exactly right back into the fold.
[00:53:04]  And so that's why I fundamentally oppose because I don't doubt is Trump 24 better than Kamala?
[00:53:13]  Obviously, of course, everyone knows that.
[00:53:15]  Obviously, it's going to be better governance, but we have to think bigger than that second order effects long term.
[00:53:23]  And is it the best idea that Trump is going to deliver these radicals?
[00:53:28]  Back into the system.
[00:53:29]  And here's a case in point, perfect example of this.
[00:53:33]  In 2020, you had like 80% of the Republicans believe the election was stolen and was illegitimate, and they were right.
[00:53:41]  In 2024, it's like 20% of Republicans believe the election is rigged.
[00:53:46]  So, like, once again, people believe now in the system, they believe in legitimacy and efficacy of the system.
[00:53:54]  We're fine.
[00:53:54]  That was one of my biggest fears.
[00:53:55]  And I said it before he was elected.
[00:53:57]  I said, one of my concerns.
[00:54:00]  Is that if he is elected, it'll be far, far better than Kamala.
[00:54:04]  And overall, I am grateful.
[00:54:05]  I am grateful despite the disappointments and all these kinds of things.
[00:54:09]  But one fear that I had was that it would just placate.
[00:54:14]  Right.
[00:54:14]  It's just like, hey, we won.
[00:54:16]  Like, chat, we're back.
[00:54:19]  Hashtag winning.
[00:54:21]  And they would be like, this is like the dog meme where the house is on fire.
[00:54:25]  This is fine.
[00:54:26]  Yes, right.
[00:54:27]  Whereas at least in 2020, I mean, the house was on fire.
[00:54:30]  I mean, literally, cities on fire.
[00:54:32]  But there was no this is fine sentiment.
[00:54:34]  It was like, this is not fine.
[00:54:36]  We've got to raise hell.
[00:54:39]  Like, we've got to stop this.
[00:54:41]  Whereas I think for a lot of people, and I've noticed it even with churches and pastors, even friends, you know, I've noticed they're like, this is far enough.
[00:54:52]  It's enough.
[00:54:54]  I'm content with this.
[00:54:55]  And I'm not.
[00:54:57]  I'm not content with this.
[00:54:58]  I'd be remiss right here at the end of the episode if I didn't include the one thing, and I did vote for him and I did encourage people to vote for him.
[00:55:06]  And I don't regret it.
[00:55:08]  I don't.
[00:55:10]  But on the flip side, I have had to, you know, eat some humble pie, right?
[00:55:13]  Like, I'm going to call some things.
[00:55:16]  What I don't like is guys who make predictions is fine.
[00:55:20]  In fact, guys who don't make predictions that just play it safe all the time, I actually don't have as much respect for them because it's just easy.
[00:55:28]  That's easy to just kind of always take the middle road.
[00:55:32]  So I like guys who make predictions, but I get frustrated when people pivot, but they don't ever admit it.
[00:55:42]  Like, I've always said in the pulpit, when I'm preaching, that repentance, right?
[00:55:45]  That's what it is to change.
[00:55:47]  It's to repent.
[00:55:48]  It's like the quintessential Christian virtue.
[00:55:52]  It's not perfection, not in this life.
[00:55:55]  So it's imperfect people, but by the power of the Spirit and through faith, repenting, right?
[00:56:01]  So it's not perfect people, it's repentant people.
[00:56:03]  But repentance, if it be genuine repentance, must be twofold.
[00:56:08]  It has to be both in deed, but also in word.
[00:56:11]  And when a guy pivots on a dime in terms of his actions, but he never verbally admits, like I just find it insulting.
[00:56:19]  Right.
[00:56:20]  It's basically like looking at all your constituents and saying, Now, I know that you can see that I am in my actions doing the precisely opposite thing from what I was doing 15 minutes ago.
[00:56:31]  Now, will I verbally admit this?
[00:56:33]  No, because you're so stupid.
[00:56:36]  You're so stupid that I don't have to admit it.
[00:56:38]  And I can just pretend as though this is where I've always been and you'll just eat it up.
[00:56:43]  And I think part of the reason people eat it up is actually not because they're stupid, but because they're sinners too.
[00:56:48]  Like, so, like, even with COVID, there was like virtually no one.
[00:56:52]  Who came out and said, Man, I got this one wrong.
[00:56:56]  Right.
[00:56:56]  But still, the wind shifted.
[00:57:01]  So the whole country shifted on COVID, but nobody acknowledged the shift.
[00:57:06]  Right.
[00:57:06]  So everybody all of a sudden is doing an about face and taking precisely the opposite stances that they were taking just a few months prior, but simultaneously pretending as though that was their position all along, you know?
[00:57:21]  And so for myself, it's like, I have no problem publicly saying, and I think, what do you have to lose?
[00:57:28]  I feel like you only build credibility, you only build trust.
[00:57:32]  I shilled for Trump.
[00:57:34]  I think that was the right move.
[00:57:37]  But in hindsight, I have to say, this is not going well.
[00:57:41]  I shilled for him.
[00:57:42]  I thought he'd be better.
[00:57:44]  I, powerful words, I was wrong.
[00:57:47]  I was wrong.
[00:57:48]  And you can just say that.
[00:57:49]  And so the last thing that I wanted to say is the sneaking suspicion.
[00:57:53]  So at the time, I just, I was wrong.
[00:57:55]  But the sneaking suspicion, the one suspicion I had at the time, and I went against my better judgment, was on this one issue.
[00:58:03]  Everything you listed immigration, war with Iran, all those, those are the big ones, all the lobbyists and the funding.
[00:58:12]  But the one thing for me as a pastor was abortion.
[00:58:16]  Right.
[00:58:18]  And man, I mean, his rhetoric decisively changed from 16 to 2024 on abortion.
[00:58:27]  He was not the advocate for life.
[00:58:30]  That he was initially.
[00:58:31]  I mean, he never took as strong of a stance as I personally would have liked, but he was the most outspoken.
[00:58:37]  I mean, he literally said, I remember seeing an interview where they asked him, you know, what about the woman?
[00:58:41]  Because that's always the narrative the second victim.
[00:58:43]  There's two victims in abortion, you know, and they're both victims.
[00:58:47]  It's practically the same thing.
[00:58:49]  One, you know, gets sucked out with a vacuum cleaner and the other one, you know, feels bad about it.
[00:58:54]  Two victims.
[00:58:54]  One of them sounds like a victim, like an atrocious, horrific victim, and the other one sounds like a murderer.
[00:59:00]  Yeah, right.
[00:59:01]  And we can't say that because, you know, women don't sin.
[00:59:05]  Well, it turns out they do.
[00:59:07]  And I actually agree with you.
[00:59:09]  I wouldn't say it quite the way you do, but women need to shut up.
[00:59:12]  You add an extra word from time to time, but they do need to shut up.
[00:59:17]  I think that a woman is powerful in her vocation.
[00:59:21]  I mean, second most powerful person in the land is the wife of a king, but not formal, informal.
[00:59:30]  She can woo, she can be the proverbs speak of a woman who the heart of her husband confides in her, right?
[00:59:41]  That's a powerful woman.
[00:59:42]  Esther saves an entire people.
[00:59:45]  Not because she formally has the scepter, but because she has proximity to the one who does.
[00:59:51]  So women can be, should be wise, nurturing.
[00:59:57]  And certain women, by proximity to certain powerful men, are steering and guiding the future and destiny of entire nations.
[01:00:06]  What a wonderful thing.
[01:00:07]  But they don't need to be wearing boss babe pantsuits and telling men what to do on a microphone publicly in a press conference.
[01:00:17]  I don't like it.
[01:00:18]  I don't like it.
[01:00:20]  I don't think that that is the nature of a woman.
[01:00:23]  It shouldn't be, and the position of a woman.
[01:00:26]  And so, yes, I believe that in abortion, any man who is coercing, right, the boyfriend, the father, the uncle, whatever, like, he's guilty.
[01:00:36]  That's atrocious.
[01:00:37]  It's sinful.
[01:00:37]  But the woman herself, also, we have to be able to say abortion happens because women kill babies.
[01:00:46]  Right.
[01:00:46]  Right.
[01:00:47]  They make that decision.
[01:00:48]  And Trump, that was the one thing.
[01:00:50]  That I saw, I saw a lot afterwards, right?
[01:00:54]  And realized I was wrong.
[01:00:55]  The one thing that I did see then, and I, against my better judgment, did not chimp out to the degree that I should have, is I should have said, I know he's a different man.
[01:01:07]  This is not 2016 Trump.
[01:01:10]  Because if nothing else, right, you had been following all along.
[01:01:13]  So you could say, in 17 different ways, this is a different Trump.
[01:01:17]  Right.
[01:01:17]  But I, as a Christian, as a pastor, I knew that at least in one different way, This was not the same Trump.
[01:01:24]  And I should have investigated that more.
[01:01:26]  Yeah.
[01:01:27]  And, you know, to me, even on that issue, the way that the campaign responded to some of the backlash was extremely telling because there were a lot of Christians that were very up in arms.
[01:01:40]  And a lot of them said they wouldn't vote for Trump over this.
[01:01:44]  And this was maybe more focused on Twitter.
[01:01:47]  Trump never said anything like this.
[01:01:49]  But on Twitter, all of the surrogates, all of the paid influencers on Twitter were.
[01:01:55]  So belligerent and browbeating the Christians and saying, Well, if this is a problem for you, then you don't want to win and we don't want you.
[01:02:04]  And it was this very defiant, the campaign was defiant against its own supporters, which it's like, go figure.
[01:02:13]  So your base is Christians, your base is conservatives.
[01:02:17]  Catholics, they were just, I mean, I know the Catholic doctrine on the sanctity of life and it's great.
[01:02:23]  Like that's somewhere where you and I, I think we absolutely can be co belligerents.
[01:02:27]  You're not going to be an elder in my church.
[01:02:29]  And I'm not going to be in yours.
[01:02:31]  So there's separate spheres, two kingdoms, a kingdom of grace and a kingdom of common.
[01:02:37]  And in that common kingdom, when it comes to culture and politics, we can be absolutely co belligerents.
[01:02:42]  And Catholics have a great position on the sanctity of life, and not just in terms of late abortions and the vacuum cleaner, but also, I mean, Catholics have held the line with birth control and these kinds of things for centuries.
[01:02:57]  And one of the big things that I noticed was the Trump.
[01:03:02]  Started celebrating certain pills that they were going to employ.
[01:03:10]  And then also in vitro, where, you know, with in vitro, like, and I know, like, you know, we're hitting a little close to home here, but I think you would agree with me.
[01:03:18]  I mean, I feel terrible for people who can't conceive.
[01:03:20]  I was adopted because my adoptive mother couldn't conceive, you know.
[01:03:25]  But in vitro, ordinarily, they're, you know, yeah, you know, some guys can, you know, play it safe and be careful because they have more knowledge, but.
[01:03:32]  Nine times out of 10, what you do is you inseminate 20 different eggs, and the Catholic position and the evangelical position mirrors that.
[01:03:45]  That's the beginning of life.
[01:03:46]  Right.
[01:03:47]  But 20 of those eggs don't get to live a life.

=== Hollow Legacy and Vaporwave Aesthetic (07:54) ===

[01:03:51]  They get frozen, which I know this sounds a little extreme, but I think it's true that what do you call?
[01:03:57]  I mean, it's like a Han Solo kind of thing.
[01:03:59]  You get frozen on ice.
[01:04:00]  What do you call someone who's never committed a crime?
[01:04:04]  But they're being locked away on ice.
[01:04:08]  It's incarceration without a fair trial.
[01:04:12]  And then most of those eventually go bad and get flushed.
[01:04:16]  But Trump literally, that became not just like, hey, I'll allow this, it became a bragging point.
[01:04:21]  It became like, what am I going to do on the issue of life that I fought for in 2016?
[01:04:26]  Well, now I'm going to advocate for certain abortion pills and I'm going to make sure that three children are born.
[01:04:35]  And 17 of them are frozen and eventually flushed down the toilet.
[01:04:40]  And people ate it up.
[01:04:42]  And some Christians pushed back and good on them.
[01:04:45]  But a lot of people ate it up.
[01:04:47]  And the ones who pushed back, instead of like, you're right, this is kind of an about face, it was like, shut up.
[01:04:53]  You're wrong.
[01:04:55]  You're a loser.
[01:04:56]  Yeah.
[01:04:57]  And they pulled the same thing against them that they did against me.
[01:05:00]  They said, you're a Democrat.
[01:05:03]  You want the other side to win, this sort of thing.
[01:05:07]  And to me, that was so telling because it shows the relationship between the actual voters, the base, and the campaign and the politician, which is when the base expects the politician to do what the base wants.
[01:05:22]  The politician is almost insulted and offended, saying, You expect me to be pro life?
[01:05:28]  You expect me to be against in vitro?
[01:05:30]  Well, you know, I need to win an election.
[01:05:32]  It's like, Okay, well, then you don't get our votes.
[01:05:35]  Right.
[01:05:35]  And that's to me, That is what the base of the GOP needs to be comfortable doing.
[01:05:42]  And if that means the Democrat wins, so be it.
[01:05:45]  And people don't like to hear that.
[01:05:47]  But I fail to see literally any other way that we would hold the politicians accountable and that we would start getting what we're promised, what we're owed.
[01:05:57]  Because in the end, then, what is even the point of winning?
[01:06:00]  They say, well, we're better than the Democrats.
[01:06:02]  I sure hope so.
[01:06:03]  We're voting for you, are we not?
[01:06:05]  I mean, isn't that kind of the bare minimum?
[01:06:07]  And for 30 years, The Republicans have had many opportunities in the White House, in the House, in the Senate, on the Supreme Court.
[01:06:15]  We have controlled all or some of the different branches of government, in some cases, all three together.
[01:06:23]  And yet the country always moves in the same direction more socially liberal, more war, more financialization, like everything gets worse.
[01:06:32]  And Trump was the kind of recognition that we could break out of the matrix.
[01:06:36]  And then he drew us back into the matrix.
[01:06:39]  That was the problem.
[01:06:40]  So, um, For the past seven or so years, my mission has been in kind of me coming of age, getting older, and seeing the disappointment of Trump 1.0 in the first administration.
[01:06:54]  It's been trying to figure out politically how do we change the way this works and just make it so that we are getting stuff.
[01:07:02]  Right.
[01:07:02]  We're moving the ball.
[01:07:04]  So, Trump, we're grateful for him, but it's time to call a spade a spade.
[01:07:09]  He's not the great man.
[01:07:10]  He might be a precursor, but he's not the great man himself.
[01:07:15]  We can be grateful.
[01:07:16]  We can praise where praise is worthy.
[01:07:18]  We can chimp when necessary, but he's not our guy.
[01:07:23]  So, who is?
[01:07:25]  We don't have a guy right now.
[01:07:26]  We don't.
[01:07:27]  We don't.
[01:07:27]  We don't have a remarkable figure, which is disappointing because it would have been Trump.
[01:07:32]  Trump is, he has so many of the qualities, but.
[01:07:36]  He doesn't have the biggest one, which is he doesn't seem to care that much.
[01:07:41]  And on some level, he is truly a great marketing guy, great campaigner, great salesman.
[01:07:48]  And, you know, there's some, he has some ability, but he just does not have that follow through.
[01:07:53]  I don't think he has the ideology.
[01:07:55]  No.
[01:07:55]  I don't think he's ideological.
[01:07:57]  No, you're right.
[01:07:57]  He's just not, you know.
[01:07:58]  And so I think that's what it comes down to is like he can win an election and he's very political and he understands the mechanisms, he has the manners, he has the, um, He has all the tools and is very competent in those.
[01:08:13]  But beyond the tools, at the very bottom, there has to be the man.
[01:08:19]  And the man himself, at the end of the day, turns out, you know, even if it was by accident, all the people who pushed against him all the way back in 2016, including myself, it's like I go back to 24, I was wrong.
[01:08:33]  I go all the way back to 2016, I was kind of accidentally right at the bare minimum, all the way down at the center.
[01:08:42]  He really is just a 1990s liberal Democrat.
[01:08:45]  Right.
[01:08:45]  Well, and I think he's somebody that's motivated primarily by vanity.
[01:08:50]  I mean, even in some of the things he's done in his second term, it's about getting the Nobel Peace Prize, acquiring Greenland.
[01:08:57]  That seems to be about his legacy.
[01:08:59]  The Gulf of America.
[01:09:00]  Yeah.
[01:09:01]  This is about him, all of it.
[01:09:04]  The East Wing expansion in the White House that he's paying for, the American flags on the White House, Greenland, Gulf of America, the Gaza peace deal.
[01:09:12]  All of it is about legacy in the history books.
[01:09:16]  It doesn't seem to me to be really motivated by a kind of self giving sacrificial, which is almost what you need to be to be a truly great leader.
[01:09:25]  You really need to kind of become an avatar of the nation.
[01:09:30]  And on some level, he's not ideological.
[01:09:34]  I don't even think there's a ton of depth there.
[01:09:36]  I don't think he's religious ideological.
[01:09:40]  I don't think there's a very strong will there beyond his own exaltation, his own vanity.
[01:09:48]  And I don't say that.
[01:09:49]  Completely cynically, because there are some positive externalities.
[01:09:52]  It's not all bad, it's not all negative.
[01:09:55]  And he's a remarkable figure.
[01:09:56]  And I think on net, his legacy will be positive.
[01:10:00]  But will he deliver that transformational change?
[01:10:03]  He can't tap into anything deeper because I don't think there's anything there at the center.
[01:10:08]  I think there's a hollowness which characterizes Trump and his movement.
[01:10:12]  And I've compared it to vaporware.
[01:10:16]  And in 2016, the political movement or the cultural movement surrounding Trump.
[01:10:21]  Was called Vaporwave on 4chan and on the internet.
[01:10:25]  Vaporwave was a genre of music and art on the internet.
[01:10:30]  It was like had an 80s aesthetic, distorted sounds.
[01:10:36]  And in this mirror's Vaporware, which is products in the 80s that were marketed, but which never actually arrived.
[01:10:45]  And there was the latest, greatest thing, but it wasn't real.
[01:10:48]  There was something, it had a quality like vapor.
[01:10:51]  And it's so fitting because.
[01:10:53]  That Trump is a product of the vaporware 80s, you know, Trump Tower, Trump Casino, the Trump name.
[01:11:01]  The idea is it's the greatest, it's the best.
[01:11:04]  But is there anything really tangibly there?
[01:11:08]  No, like there's something actually missing.
[01:11:10]  And Vaporwave is what followed his campaign because of his 80s aesthetic.
[01:11:15]  You know, he's a product of 80s and 90s.
[01:11:18]  And his campaign is also Vaporwave, Vaporwave.
[01:11:22]  It's not actually there.
[01:11:23]  There's nothing.
[01:11:24]  You know, did he actually make America great again?
[01:11:26]  No.
[01:11:27]  And maybe he never intended to.
[01:11:31]  So there's something deeply disappointing about all of it.
[01:11:35]  And I agree, though, that I think it is prefiguring something to come because he did tap into something that is real.

=== Missing Tangible Populist Uprising (02:16) ===

[01:11:45]  Right.
[01:11:46]  There is a.
[01:11:46]  Not in himself.
[01:11:47]  No.
[01:11:48]  But in the nation.
[01:11:49]  Yes.
[01:11:50]  And even in the world.
[01:11:51]  I mean, there's this populist uprising.
[01:11:54]  He's sort of like a harbinger of things to come, he's like a horseman of this.
[01:11:58]  Inflection point on a global scale.
[01:12:00]  So he has awakened the future leader.
[01:12:04]  Whoever the future leader is, he was animated and inspired by Trump.
[01:12:10]  And I believe that that person will come maybe in 28, 32, but he will come in the future.
[01:12:16]  I'm a big believer in that.
[01:12:18]  Me too.
[01:12:19]  Great insights.
[01:12:20]  Thank you for your time.
[01:12:21]  Good episode.
[01:12:22]  Yeah, absolutely.
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