NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - The Particular Sins of Particular People (w/Nick Fuentes) - EP5
Aired: 2026-01-28
Duration: 01:18:19


=== Jews vs The Nations (03:32) ===

[00:00:00]  Really, when you think about it, Jew and Gentile is a whole other category besides ethnicity and race.
[00:00:06]  Right.
[00:00:07]  Because Jews, they distinguish themselves from every other group as a classification.
[00:00:13]  Right.
[00:00:13]  They don't say, like, well, there's Jews and then there's Persians and then there's Egyptians.
[00:00:16]  They say, no, there's the Jews and then there's the nations.
[00:00:19]  Right.
[00:00:20]  And we're against them.
[00:00:20]  And we, in a spiritual sense, are higher.
[00:00:24]  We're chosen.
[00:00:25]  They are beasts that look like people.
[00:00:28]  Right.
[00:00:28]  And so when you have someone like a Norm Finkelstein, for example, Like he criticizes the genocide in Gaza and Israel, but somebody gets up and says there's a Zionist occupation regime and he walks away.
[00:00:41]  Right.
[00:00:41]  And says that's anti Jewish, that's anti Semitic.
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=== Judeo Christian Civilization (08:06) ===

[00:03:32]  All right.
[00:03:32]  This episode is going to be just a little bit different.
[00:03:35]  I'm going to kind of, as a launching pad, read something that I wrote and then just give you the floor.
[00:03:41]  You could talk literally the rest of the entire episode.
[00:03:43]  So, if you can just give me maybe two, three minutes to get the thought out.
[00:03:47]  And then I just want to hear what you think.
[00:03:49]  Because some of this I've heard you say, and you've been of this mind longer than I have.
[00:03:55]  And so, it's like, hey, I've been J-pilled for 15 minutes.
[00:04:01]  What do you think, Nick?
[00:04:03]  So, if I could do that, is that all right?
[00:04:04]  Sounds good.
[00:04:05]  Okay, here we go.
[00:04:06]  Diagnosis.
[00:04:07]  I believe that by way of divine providence, the earth is filled with not only unique individual people, but unique and distinct peoples, nations, race, et cetera.
[00:04:17]  I'm not a fatalist or a determinist.
[00:04:19]  I believe that people can change.
[00:04:21]  I also believe peoples can change, that people's groups of people can change, but this happens slowly over the course of generations.
[00:04:29]  I also believe it is biblically permissible and, in some cases, even righteous, since we are.
[00:04:34]  Commanded to exercise godly discernment to recognize or to notice different strengths and weaknesses of both individual people and collective peoples.
[00:04:44]  Regarding collective peoples, this discernment should be understood as a viewpoint regarding generalities.
[00:04:49]  It's not universal, there's always exceptions.
[00:04:53]  Furthermore, in terms of general weaknesses, I believe those of European descent are generally marked, at least modern Europeans today, by cowardice, moral passivity, and suicidal empathy.
[00:05:06]  They regularly are content to prioritize the foreigner over even the welfare of their own children.
[00:05:13]  Boomers, though not all boomers, have displayed this particular trait to the uttermost.
[00:05:19]  Furthermore, I believe those of Jewish descent are generally marked by subversion, deceit, and greed, exceptions, but a general weakness.
[00:05:29]  Politically speaking, I believe Israel has had devastatingly negative influence on America, and I do not want our children to fight their wars.
[00:05:38]  And I do not want them lobbying in our politics or having an outsized influence on our culture.
[00:05:44]  Religiously speaking, I believe that Judaism is antichrist.
[00:05:49]  I believe it is not only evil, but a pernicious evil.
[00:05:52]  I fully recognize that many Jews are secular and do not practice Judaism.
[00:05:57]  However, just as many Americans today do not profess to be Christian, America was profoundly shaped by Christian thought and Christian values.
[00:06:06]  Likewise, Israel has been deeply shaped by a religion.
[00:06:09]  That has at its foundation a complete rejection of Christ.
[00:06:14]  Therefore, a people shaped by a rejection of the Logos, literally a rejection of logic.
[00:06:20]  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[00:06:24]  That rejection, they will have at least to some degree a hostility towards God's natural order, not just Christ, but the world that Christ made.
[00:06:35]  They will resist and at times even seek to subvert natural distinctions and natural hierarchy.
[00:06:42]  This is why I furthermore believe that liberalism, at least in its modern form, especially in the 20th century, is largely a Jewish project.
[00:06:52]  The engine of liberalism is egalitarianism, the quest to flatten all natural distinctions, men and women, individuals, and even nations.
[00:07:02]  I believe that liberalism, especially modern liberalism, is arguably the single biggest threat to the world, and particularly America and the church today.
[00:07:12]  And I believe that Israel is one of the most adamant proponents and defenders.
[00:07:16]  Of liberalism.
[00:07:18]  Prescriptions?
[00:07:19]  What do we do?
[00:07:20]  Number one, I believe a godly Christian can hold all the views I mentioned above without sin.
[00:07:26]  I firmly reject any ideology that would mistreat or persecute an entire people.
[00:07:32]  I do not support those who would call for physical harm or violence to a particular people, universally, collectively, every single one of them, without fair trials and the objective proof of individual guilt of an actual crime and not merely sin.
[00:07:47]  Those who follow me on Fed posts about physically harming Jews are either feds, bots, or retarded.
[00:07:55]  You will be promptly blocked.
[00:07:56]  Second, I want to see a national ban on pornography.
[00:08:00]  Exorbitant forms of usury that prey on the poor and dual citizenship from any country for those who hold civil office here in America.
[00:08:09]  But I recognize that this would disproportionately affect Jews.
[00:08:13]  And then, third, I believe that many individual people and collective peoples would humanely self deport if we banned those things I before mentioned.
[00:08:23]  I further believe that these people groups would self deport disproportionately.
[00:08:28]  Jews in America would leave, I believe, at a higher rate than other groups.
[00:08:32]  With many Jews who truly love our country and our values choosing to stay behind.
[00:08:38]  And then lastly, I want to see America break ties with Israel in terms of geopolitics.
[00:08:44]  I do not believe that they are our ally.
[00:08:46]  That's pretty much my position on Jews.
[00:08:49]  What do you think?
[00:08:51]  I agree with a lot of that.
[00:08:52]  And I agree with the lens interpreting the relationship between Christians and Jews through the lens of civilizations, because that's really how I started to think about the issue.
[00:09:05]  Is when I got started becoming a conservative, the phrase I always heard was Judeo Christian.
[00:09:11]  And I think that's really the beginning of it for a lot of people people hear this repeated over and over Judeo Christian values, Judeo Christian civilization.
[00:09:21]  They say Western civilization is Judeo Christian.
[00:09:24]  And a lot of times when people think about what a conservative is or right wing is, they say it's Judeo Christian.
[00:09:31]  And for me, when I turned roughly 18, I thought about the term.
[00:09:36]  Because I didn't just mindlessly repeat this.
[00:09:39]  I said, How actually can this be?
[00:09:42]  Is this not a contradiction in terms?
[00:09:44]  Because to be Jewish is to reject Christ.
[00:09:47]  To be a Christian is to embrace Christ.
[00:09:49]  And people don't typically think of it this way, but Judaism forks when Christ arrives.
[00:09:57]  Christianity comes from Judaism and emerges from Judaism.
[00:10:02]  And then what we call Judaism today emerges from the events of the Passion, which is the splitting of the veil, the destruction of the temple.
[00:10:10]  The expulsion of the Jews from the Holy Land and the end of temple worship as the Jewish people.
[00:10:15]  And so, from that Jewish community, you get the Christians and then you get the Jews.
[00:10:22]  And what's really interesting about the term, there's the theological contradiction, which is that some embraced Christ and said there's no need for the temple sacrifice.
[00:10:31]  We have the ultimate sacrifice.
[00:10:33]  The others said one day we'll return, we'll rebuild the temple, we'll come back to the Holy Land.
[00:10:39]  Outside the obvious theological contradiction is the history, which I don't even think people know.
[00:10:45]  Because when you hear Judeo Christian, you tend to think that things have always been the way they are in America.
[00:10:51]  Because in the United States of America, you've had, with some exceptions, notably Christians and Jews largely living together, especially for the past hundred years, and Jews being assimilated.
[00:11:03]  For the most part, we think they're assimilated into America.
[00:11:08]  But the history of Europe, could you imagine going back to the 1500s and telling the Jews and Christians then about a Judeo Christian civilization?
[00:11:17]  They would say, I don't know what you're talking about.
[00:11:19]  Because for thousands of years, the historical experience of the Jews and Christians is that they've been in conflict, basically in a state of constant conflict, starting with the Roman Empire's destruction of the temple, the Jewish rebellions led against the Roman Empire, and then the expulsion of the Jews from Palestine.

=== Roman Empire Origins (02:43) ===

[00:11:39]  That's how it starts.
[00:11:41]  And I learned about this after I started to see there were a few notable pictures.
[00:11:47]  I think one was posted by Brett Weinstein or maybe his brother Eric.
[00:11:51]  Of him flipping off the Arch of Titus in Italy.
[00:11:55]  There he is flipping off.
[00:11:57]  It's a point of view.
[00:11:58]  He's showing his middle finger to the arch.
[00:12:01]  And I said, What's going on in this picture?
[00:12:03]  And the Arch of Titus is built to commemorate the attack well, not the attack, but the suppression of the rebellion by the Jews in Israel, taking their stuff, pushing the people out.
[00:12:16]  According to the Jews, hundreds of thousands died.
[00:12:19]  They talk about it like it's another Holocaust, basically.
[00:12:21]  But this one happened 2,000 years ago.
[00:12:24]  And many people don't even know about these events that this was extremely traumatic, extremely violent.
[00:12:30]  This is how, really, you could argue, medieval and then modern civilization begins is with an attack or suppression by the Roman Empire against the Jews, which they never forgot.
[00:12:42]  And they still talk about it to this day.
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=== Rejecting Modern Slop (15:13) ===

[00:14:22]  I did a debate with a rabbinical Kabbalistic Jew named Adam King, and he believes that underneath the Vatican are all the treasures that the Roman Empire stole from Israel.
[00:14:33]  They're like giant menorah.
[00:14:35]  Their library.
[00:14:37]  He believes that when the Jewish Messiah comes, he will destroy modern Rome, which is the church and Western Europe, which is sort of interesting because if you're being told about this Judeo Christian civilization, it seems like these are in conflict actually.
[00:14:53]  Yeah.
[00:14:53]  The Roman Empire and Israel from the start.
[00:14:56]  Then the Jews are expelled.
[00:14:58]  And to me, this is maybe the most essential characteristic is that they're a wandering people.
[00:15:05]  Unlike The Franks, the Goths, the Romans, there are people with no homeland, no native land to call their own.
[00:15:15]  So, they're dispersed from Palestine into Europe, and they're unwelcome there because they're ethnic outsiders, religious outsiders, and they're a minority.
[00:15:25]  This is what shapes their experience in Europe.
[00:15:28]  And as a minority in many of these Western kingdoms, they're not given the same rights, they're not integrated.
[00:15:37]  We tend to think, and again, this is our bias, that everything is like America, everything is tolerant, everyone's integrated and assimilated.
[00:15:45]  People don't realize that for thousands of years, Jews existed segregated from everybody else in their own communities, speaking a different language with their own courts, their own laws, different rights under the law, different roles.
[00:15:59]  In many countries, their land ownership was restricted.
[00:16:03]  Right.
[00:16:04]  Couldn't have certain positions, couldn't be farmers.
[00:16:06]  Which is why they kind of geared towards banking, money changing, right.
[00:16:10]  They were, in many cases, artisans, craftsmen.
[00:16:14]  They were segregated into specific towns as opposed to the countryside or the major cities.
[00:16:20]  And through this segregation, naturally, they come into conflict with the Christian hosts.
[00:16:27]  And for hundreds of years, again, this is something that's kind of becoming known now.
[00:16:33]  People talk about 108, 109 countries they've been expelled from.
[00:16:39]  For hundreds of years, they are being literally expelled wholesale from entire nations, from England, Spain, France, Italy.
[00:16:49]  For hundreds of years, there were no Jews living in England.
[00:16:52]  Because King Edward in 1290 said Jews are banned from living here and they all leave.
[00:16:58]  And until 1650, not a single Jew resides in the entire country.
[00:17:03]  So for hundreds of years, they're being forcibly converted, expelled, segregated.
[00:17:10]  There's a dual law, like an apartheid system.
[00:17:13]  They have different rights and laws.
[00:17:16]  And over the years, they're always moving around from Palestine into Western Europe, from Western Europe to the Netherlands.
[00:17:23]  Netherlands back to England, many of them moving over to Poland, then in Russia.
[00:17:28]  And throughout this time, they're subject to what they call a blood libel, angry mobs, pogroms, all these different abusive policies.
[00:17:36]  This is a Judeo Christian civilization?
[00:17:40]  Now, maybe Jews and Christians live side by side for thousands of years, and it's certainly a complicated history, and it's a diverse and it's a long history.
[00:17:49]  But the idea that it's a unified history, that it's a hyphenated history, it has no basis in reality.
[00:17:55]  And I think people just don't know the facts.
[00:17:58]  And over this time, it engenders, of course, deep resentment.
[00:18:03]  And it goes both ways.
[00:18:05]  And what's interesting is that in modern times, of course, it's like everything else.
[00:18:09]  We always talk about racism and anti Semitism, but it's only ever proceeding from white Christian men.
[00:18:16]  White Christian men are inherently violent and cruel and prejudiced against the Africans, against Muslims, against the indigenous, against the Jews.
[00:18:26]  But that hatred goes both ways.
[00:18:28]  The indigenous Americans were at war with the colonizers and scalped them and skinned them alive.
[00:18:34]  The Muslims took Christian slaves and were at war and invaded Europe.
[00:18:40]  Similarly, the Jews were expelled, they were treated with cruelty, they were segregated.
[00:18:47]  And that engendered a lot of hatred among them against the Romans, against ethnic Europeans, against Christians.
[00:18:58]  You see this in many of the controversies.
[00:19:01]  One of the criticisms of the Jews is they said that they would sacrifice Christian children or that they would kill Christians.
[00:19:09]  I don't find that hard to believe.
[00:19:11]  I think that if Jews are a minority, the wandering minority, if they're being subjected to a double standard in the law, if they're being segregated, is it outside the question that they hate their Christian hosts?
[00:19:26]  That they might kill some of them?
[00:19:28]  They might do it in secret or in a conspiratorial way?
[00:19:31]  I don't find that hard to believe.
[00:19:33]  And so, 2,000 years characterized as Judeo Christian, in reality, it's a history of Jewish Christian conflict.
[00:19:40]  And it happens to be occurring.
[00:19:42]  The venue for this is Europe and Christendom, but there's never an integration, ever.
[00:19:48]  It's not until the 19th century, excuse me, when Napoleon arrives, and people don't even know the history on this.
[00:19:56]  Napoleon, with his French Revolution and the Napoleonic Legal Code, emancipates the Jews.
[00:20:03]  And for hundreds of years prior to that, the Jews are living in these segregated towns where they have their own courts, they have their own laws, they speak Yiddish.
[00:20:13]  They don't have the same rights.
[00:20:15]  Napoleon comes along, emancipates them, and for the first time in Western Europe, they're allowed to integrate and assimilate.
[00:20:21]  And as Napoleon invades Europe in the Napoleonic Wars, he brings the legal code with him as he sweeps across Western, Central, Eastern Europe, emancipating and liberating the Jews.
[00:20:35]  And so the situation in the late 19th century, which is kind of where the current situation emerges, is this the vast majority of Jews are actually living in Russia.
[00:20:46]  Because the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth before that, that was the only place the Jews were given full legal equality.
[00:20:53]  So, all the Jews that were expelled and kicked out of Western Europe, most of them end up in Poland and Lithuania, which is then annexed by Russia.
[00:21:02]  So, they find themselves mostly in Russia because of this historic situation.
[00:21:07]  After Napoleon's wars, there are some Jews in Western Europe and they begin to become powerful because of assimilation.
[00:21:14]  They start to identify as English, French, German, they serve in parliament.
[00:21:19]  They have professional jobs.
[00:21:21]  They become nationalistic for the various countries.
[00:21:24]  They become very rich and powerful.
[00:21:26]  So you have a small minority of Jews, assimilated, rich, powerful, living in Western Europe.
[00:21:32]  Most of them, however, are living in the Pale of Settlement in Russia.
[00:21:36]  They're living in these shtetls in towns.
[00:21:38]  They're being attacked by angry mobs.
[00:21:40]  The Tsar of Russia hates them.
[00:21:43]  And the Jews of Europe are in this predicament where it seems that in the West they're becoming assimilated and may disappear.
[00:21:50]  But in the East, it's untenable because they're constantly being accused of murdering Christians or constantly being attacked by the government and by angry mobs.
[00:21:59]  This is where Zionism is born.
[00:22:03]  And the Zionists say, we will never be safe unless we have our own country.
[00:22:08]  We'll never protect our own identity unless we have our own country.
[00:22:13]  We need a place where we can be safe.
[00:22:15]  We need a place where we could be Jewish.
[00:22:17]  We need a place where we could be safe as Jews.
[00:22:20]  And so they resolve at the end of the 19th century then.
[00:22:23]  To colonize Palestine.
[00:22:26]  Now, at the same time in Russia, the situation is heating up.
[00:22:29]  The pogroms are intensifying, attacks on Jews are intensifying, and the conditions are very bad.
[00:22:35]  The country is poor in general, the autocracy is failing.
[00:22:39]  They start fleeing to the United States.
[00:22:42]  And so, what happens in the 20th century is that the Jews, who used to mostly live in Russia and some in Western Europe, now they're heading to the United States, and the United States becomes the capital of Jewry.
[00:22:54]  And increasingly, as they settle Palestine, Israel becomes another center of power.
[00:22:58]  And it's only in the last 100 years that you have this situation where most of the world's Jews are living in America and in Israel.
[00:23:07]  And now that we have this arrangement between America and Israel, of America supporting Israel and Israel influencing America, it's only in this context, and especially since World War II, that now they push this calculated line that we've always been together, that Jews and Christians have always gotten along throughout.
[00:23:28]  The history of Western civilization, like they have in the last, let's say, 70 years in America.
[00:23:33]  But that was never the case.
[00:23:35]  And so I would say that when you sort of understand, and that's just a very rough sketch, when you understand the history of Jews and Europeans, you realize that we might be able to coexist, but we can never truly integrate because Jews are not Christians and they're not Europeans.
[00:23:55]  And they never identified that way.
[00:23:57]  And as a matter of fact, they're hostile to both.
[00:24:00]  Theologically inconsistent with Christianity and historically have animosity against the Europeans.
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[00:25:45]  What the Catholic Church says about the Jews, they've written many encyclicals on this over the years, they call as the Jews.
[00:25:53]  They say that Jews will not have access to salvation without Christ.
[00:25:58]  It's still, there's one door.
[00:26:00]  It says, but we should not forcibly convert them.
[00:26:04]  We should give them dignity and respect.
[00:26:07]  They should have basic rights.
[00:26:09]  But we also do recognize that they are subversive because they're disconnected from Christ, they're disconnected from God.
[00:26:15]  And so, I guess my position to sum it up is that, like you, I don't want to be cruel against Jews.
[00:26:22]  I don't hate them.
[00:26:23]  I don't want to destroy them.
[00:26:24]  I don't even think that's possible.
[00:26:27]  We consider them a witness people, they're a witness to the crucifixion.
[00:26:31]  But certainly, we have to recognize them as fundamentally aliens and outsiders.
[00:26:36]  And I don't think we should try to assimilate them, I don't think we can.
[00:26:40]  But certainly, we can't treat them as indistinguishable from other Christians or other Europeans.
[00:26:45]  Right.
[00:26:46]  I agree.
[00:26:47]  It's a pretty massive difference.
[00:26:49]  And yet, with all these other false religions that are demonic in their own right, all false religions lead to hell.
[00:26:57]  It's like with every false religion, Christians stand strongly, adamantly against it.
[00:27:04]  And yet we have this weird carve out.
[00:27:07]  Whereas I feel like the argument could be made that Islam has a view of Christ.
[00:27:14]  They deny his deity, they don't believe that he's God, but they still esteem him as a prophet.
[00:27:20]  And I despise Islam.
[00:27:21]  But my point is that Islam sees Jesus as a pretty good guy, Buddhism.
[00:27:28]  Sees Jesus as a pretty good guy.
[00:27:29]  Hinduism sees Jesus as a pretty good guy.
[00:27:33]  Judaism sees Jesus in hell, a blasphemer, maybe some human excrement thrown in there, depending on what you're reading.
[00:27:45]  And we pick that false religion of all the false religions to be our greatest ally as Christian nations, as Christian people.
[00:27:53]  It just doesn't make sense.
[00:27:55]  No, and I don't even think people understand the lengths that they go to.
[00:28:00]  The Jews and their hatred of Christians.
[00:28:02]  People don't even realize they hate Christians.
[00:28:05]  But if you go through, and I have not read the Talmud, this is always the gotcha because they say, Have you read the Talmud?
[00:28:12]  And they say it's thousands of pages and it mostly deals with it's a legal code.
[00:28:16]  It's rabbis debating how to interpret the various commandments in the Old Testament.
[00:28:21]  And so they say most of it is pretty minutiae, it's trivial.
[00:28:26]  But if you read even some of what Israelis or Jews write about the Talmud, It's very clear that the way that the rabbinical Jewish religion sees Christians is as idolaters, which is interesting because that is the same reason that Muslims hate Christians.
[00:28:44]  Because I've debated with some Muslims, and there's some commonalities, like you said.
[00:28:50]  I think Muslims are more sympathetic to Christians because they consider us people of the book and they consider Christ to be a prophet.
[00:28:57]  They consider him to be a messiah, technically.
[00:28:59]  They can't really define what messiah means.
[00:29:02]  They consider him like a major prophet, which prefigures Muhammad.
[00:29:06]  But Why they theologically disagree with Christianity is they believe in Tawid, which is one God.
[00:29:13]  That's why they raise the finger.
[00:29:15]  It's all about Allah.
[00:29:16]  And so they see the triune God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, as a form of idolatry.
[00:29:23]  So the formal problem they have is that we're idolaters.
[00:29:27]  Jews view us in exactly the same way because they, worshiping Yahweh, see the deification of Christ as a form of idolatry.

=== Jesus As A Prophet (15:40) ===

[00:29:36]  And what they interpret in the Talmud from the Old Testament is that.
[00:29:41]  They cannot praise idolaters.
[00:29:44]  So it says you cannot say kind things about Christians.
[00:29:49]  It says you have to spit when passing their cemeteries or their houses of worship.
[00:29:56]  You can't enter into one of their houses of worship.
[00:29:59]  And they will even go into, they say, some sects of Christianity, they will go into the house of worship if they don't see Christ as God, because that is where they draw the line.
[00:30:10]  And it extends even further into.
[00:30:13]  Intermarrying.
[00:30:13]  It extends further into killing.
[00:30:16]  They believe that if an idolater is in peril and might die, a Jewish person has no obligation to save them because they see idolaters as the enemy.
[00:30:25]  And there is something interesting about the Old Testament and the New Testament, and you're the expert.
[00:30:30]  I'm not a theological expert on this or a biblical expert by any stretch.
[00:30:35]  I don't believe, although it's prefigured, that you see an explicit message in the Old Testament.
[00:30:43]  That's all about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
[00:30:46]  I don't think you see a message like, Forgive them, they know not what they do.
[00:30:50]  You see a lot more of the Amalekites need to be destroyed, kill the women, the children, salt the earth.
[00:30:58]  And I think that's borne out in the way the Israelis treat the Palestinians and the way that they treat the former Nazis who they hunted down or any of their enemies.
[00:31:08]  And so what you have is a religion, which many Jews today are very secular, but regardless, for thousands of years, their religion is literally set against, with a seething hatred against Christ and Christianity.
[00:31:21]  And, and, There's no identity that can be achieved between us.
[00:31:25]  That's not a little brother or an older brother.
[00:31:28]  That's adversarial.
[00:31:30]  Right.
[00:31:30]  I agree.
[00:31:31]  Yeah, that's part of what I was reading at the beginning.
[00:31:35]  I mean, you can go to nations all over the world and you can tell, one pastor said, you can tell which nations have been affected by Christendom by simply coming to a four way stop and seeing how they handle it.
[00:31:53]  Is it might makes right?
[00:31:56]  Or.
[00:31:56]  Is there even the concept of courtesy or order, you know, organization, those kinds of things?
[00:32:03]  And, um, and I, yeah, I just, you know, that people will say, well, you know, so many Jews don't even practice Judaism.
[00:32:10]  And that's true.
[00:32:12]  Um, but in the same way that we have so many people in America that have not ever darkened the doorway of a church in their entire lives, or maybe they've gone once or twice and would not even profess to be Christians, much less living like one.
[00:32:29]  Still, just by virtue of being born and raised in America, whether you're conscious of it or not, every American has been shaped by Christian thought, Christian values, Christian doctrine.
[00:32:43]  We take these things for granted.
[00:32:44]  We just think that we're enlightened, you know, and that it somehow just, I don't know, just always was, but it wasn't.
[00:32:52]  These things had to be learned.
[00:32:53]  We had to learn courtesy.
[00:32:56]  We developed, we improved, we had to be shaped.
[00:33:00]  And it was religion that shaped us.
[00:33:04]  And so I think every culture, the Latin word cultus, worship, every single society, every nation, every people, their culture is very much shaped by their religion, whether future generations are adherent practisers of the religion or not.
[00:33:25]  So to say that, because that's kind of the excuse that I'll hear a lot of people, Christians, using to try to carve out exceptions.
[00:33:34]  make defenses for Jews is they'll say, well, yeah, I guess Judaism isn't great, you know, but, you know, it's only 20% or 30% of Jews that actually are practicing Judaism.
[00:33:47]  So the rest of them, you know, they're okay.
[00:33:50]  And I would say, yeah, no, but the whole culture, the whole people have been shaped by Judaism.
[00:33:58]  And at its core, it's like, well, what's the core distinctive of Judaism?
[00:34:04]  Hatred of Jesus Christ.
[00:34:06]  It's a hatred of Jesus Christ.
[00:34:09]  And then, even when you look at the Talmud, which is 6,000 pages, you know, and there's the Babylonian Talmud and the Jerusalem Talmud.
[00:34:16]  And so I understand that, like, there's it's different than the Bible.
[00:34:19]  They, you know, certain passages would have more weight and trump other passages of the Bible or the Talmud.
[00:34:25]  But the whole practice is litigation.
[00:34:28]  It's what Judaism is.
[00:34:29]  It's so fundamentally a rejection and hatred of Christ.
[00:34:32]  And in addition to that, it's.
[00:34:35]  I mean, it really is the religion of lawyers.
[00:34:37]  Like, it really is.
[00:34:38]  You know, it makes sense that, you know, the Jews, you know, going into banking, you know, or going into the legal profession.
[00:34:46]  But that's, and even when Jesus arrived, that's another thing that I think Christians miss is when Jesus arrives on the scene in his early ministry, Judaism is already off the rails.
[00:34:58]  So after the book of Malachi at the end of the Old Testament, it says the word of the Lord was rare and the skies had turned to brass or bronze, meaning that for 400 years in between kind of like the completion of the prophets and the coming of Christ, You have 400 years where God is pretty much silent.
[00:35:21]  And during those 400 years, the religious rulers in Israel got busy.
[00:35:26]  And, you know, the word of the Lord is rare and there's not a lot of divine intervention during that time.
[00:35:32]  And they start constructing their own way of doing things.
[00:35:36]  So when Jesus shows up, notice he doesn't say, people always think of like legalism.
[00:35:41]  They'll think the problem, you know, is legalist, you know, Pharisees are legalist.
[00:35:47]  Jesus' favorite word for the Pharisees and the Sanhedrin, Sadducees, the lawyers, it literally said scribes and lawyers, bean counters.
[00:35:56]  That's what they were.
[00:35:58]  His favorite word was not, oh, you legalists.
[00:36:00]  It was, oh, you hypocrites.
[00:36:03]  He even says, do as they say, but not as they do.
[00:36:09]  And then he begins to tell how they've twisted the law of God.
[00:36:14]  It's not that they care too much for the law of God.
[00:36:16]  That's the point I'm trying to make.
[00:36:18]  And this is 2,000 years ago.
[00:36:19]  So, 400 years of God being quiet, Judaism getting way off the rails already 2,000 years ago in Christ's coming.
[00:36:30]  And even then, Jesus is not saying you care so much for the law of God.
[00:36:35]  No, it's the traditions and laws of men that you've placed heavy burdens on the people and you've added all your commentary.
[00:36:43]  Like whenever Jesus is preaching, the crowds, the gospel narratives will always say they marveled because he spoke as one who had authority.
[00:36:52]  If you had told Stephen, as stones were crushing his body, that he was dying for a shared Judeo Christian foundation, he would have called it blasphemy.
[00:37:03]  The first martyr died proclaiming Christ alone, not a hyphenated faith shared with those who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and who drove out the apostles, and as the apostle Paul declared, oppose all mankind.
[00:37:19]  Learn why the church has always stood apart in the hyphenated heresy.
[00:37:24]  Judeo Christianity.
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[00:37:35]  And it's like, well, what does that mean?
[00:37:36]  Like, when Jesus spoke, like, was it just like the dude had aura?
[00:37:39]  You know, like, maybe, you know.
[00:37:41]  But Isaiah also says, like, there was nothing outstanding about his appearance that we should, you know, it's like Jesus didn't have, like, the paint, he didn't have a glow.
[00:37:50]  His divinity was concealed.
[00:37:52]  The Mount of Transfiguration, the human, you know, the human nature is pulled back temporarily.
[00:37:56]  And and the divine becomes apparent.
[00:37:59]  But other than that, when Jesus speaks with authority, it's not like a supernatural, like his voice is several decimals higher than the average human voice.
[00:38:09]  No, it's his manner of speaking.
[00:38:12]  And what most commentators and biblical scholars will say is that what made his speaking distinct from all the Jewish leaders and authoritative is that they would always have to appeal to someone else and say, well, Rabbi so-and-so says.
[00:38:26]  And so long before they ever got to Moses, It would be, you know, like, well, the law, Moses says this, and so and so added this, and so and so commentating on so and so added this, and this, and this.
[00:38:40]  And so then by the time you, like the telephone game, by the time you get to the Jews, and again, this is at Jesus' time, it's, well, you know, it's not swearing by the temple, but swearing by the gold of the temple.
[00:38:53]  And then you're bound to your oath.
[00:38:56]  Or, you know, it's not swearing by this, but if you swear by that, then you have to keep your word.
[00:39:02]  Like basically the equivalent of like a toddler saying yes to his mom and dad when they give him a command, but then not obeying.
[00:39:10]  And when they question him, he said, well, I had my fingers crossed behind my back.
[00:39:13]  Like classic Jewish move, you know, just classic.
[00:39:17]  But my point is that was at the time of Jesus.
[00:39:20]  That was at the time of Jesus.
[00:39:21]  So Jesus shows up and he's like, this isn't Judaism.
[00:39:26]  This is not worship of the true God.
[00:39:30]  This is not Moses.
[00:39:33]  And so then Jesus would just cut through all the BS and get right back to the source, you know.
[00:39:37]  And so when Jesus says, you have heard it said, but I tell you, he's not pitting himself against Moses.
[00:39:43]  He's like, Moses spoke for God.
[00:39:45]  He was a genuine prophet.
[00:39:46]  But he's saying, you've heard it said, meaning all your rabbis, all your commentators, and the ways that they twisted and perverted Moses.
[00:39:54]  But I'm going to get back to the source.
[00:39:56]  And now we're 2,000 years removed, even from that, with 6,000 page Talmud and all these different things where, like, you can drive around on the Sabbath because we put a wire outside of the city of Manhattan and that counts as a wall.
[00:40:10]  And so technically, you're never leaving your house because it's a big house.
[00:40:13]  Cool.
[00:40:14]  You know, like, it's like, that is so Jewish, you know, like that.
[00:40:17]  And so, Judaism, I guess those two big things I would say.
[00:40:20]  Number one, fundamentally a rejection of Christ.
[00:40:23]  And Christ is the Word.
[00:40:24]  That's what I was trying to get at.
[00:40:26]  In the beginning, the Word was with God.
[00:40:28]  And the Word there, like even in the Greek, it's the Logos.
[00:40:32]  He is the logic, right?
[00:40:34]  Faith, Christian faith, and reason are not at odds with one another.
[00:40:39]  And so, like, God made an orderly world because he's a God of order, he's a logical God.
[00:40:44]  The rejection of the living logic, Is that if that's a fundamental characteristic of a people, that's going to be those people are going to be wild, right?
[00:40:57]  That's like, that's like really like, hey, we're starting a civilization.
[00:41:01]  What's it founded on?
[00:41:01]  The rejection of logic, right?
[00:41:04]  Okay.
[00:41:04]  And so, like, what are you going to be doing?
[00:41:05]  We're going to be clipping coins.
[00:41:07]  That's not the only thing we're going to try to do, but we'll also try to split the atom, you know?
[00:41:11]  Like, I mean, think like the things that they gravitate towards is like, could we, could we blow up?
[00:41:16]  I mean, we can blow up a town, but could we blow up a whole country, you know?
[00:41:20]  Let's get our best scientist on it, you know?
[00:41:22]  And, um, and these kind of, you know, and even so much of the wealth building is just, it's literally splitting the penny, splitting the penny.
[00:41:29]  Like, hey, a real transaction just took place where someone had a tangible good that they worked for and someone else bought it at a reasonable price.
[00:41:37]  But what if us producing nothing could come in and take a piece of this somehow, you know?
[00:41:40]  Like, and, and, but that's like, that is Jewish.
[00:41:43]  That's, that's, that is the Pharisees.
[00:41:45]  The heart of it is like, how can I, um, I gave someone my word, but I don't actually want to keep it.
[00:41:50]  I swore by the temple.
[00:41:52]  Oh, but I didn't swear by the gold of the temple, you know?
[00:41:54]  Like, And Jesus is calling them out for this back then.
[00:41:58]  But now it's been 2,000 years of rejecting him.
[00:42:01]  And 2,000 years without even being able to practice biblical Judaism, there's no temple.
[00:42:06]  There can be no sacrifice.
[00:42:08]  And we think it would be better.
[00:42:10]  So now, after rejecting Jesus for 1,900 years, coming to the end of the 19th century, now we're ready for a partnership, Judeo Christian.
[00:42:23]  It literally doesn't make any sense.
[00:42:26]  I guess my question is what.
[00:42:29]  How did that switch?
[00:42:30]  Like, how did, because Europeans, Christians kind of knew what was up for a long time.
[00:42:35]  Even the Protestants, right?
[00:42:36]  Martin Luther, last book he wrote, The Jews and Their Lies, you know, like he kind of knew what was up.
[00:42:42]  Because they would go in, the reformers, because the Vulgate, the Latin, you know, Catholic Bible, the reformers were pretty suspicious of you guys, you know, and like, I think they changed some of the language.
[00:42:51]  And so we need to go back to the original manuscripts and learn the Hebrew.
[00:42:55]  Well, nobody knew the Hebrew.
[00:42:57]  So the reformers actually kind of our fault a little bit, but like, we kind of brought in some of the Jews.
[00:43:04]  Right.
[00:43:04]  And we brought them in because we needed them to teach us how to read the Hebrew because we didn't trust the Catholics.
[00:43:09]  Mm hmm.
[00:43:09]  But then Luther, you know, wants learning how to read the Hebrew.
[00:43:12]  And I mean, that's one of the big things that Luther did he put the Bible in the vulgar, right?
[00:43:18]  Just the common tongue of German, which Catholics did not want people being able to read the Bible.
[00:43:26]  I have some things that I could say about that.
[00:43:28]  But, you know, so he does it and he makes some Jewish pals along the way.
[00:43:32]  But now he can read and speak Hebrew.
[00:43:35]  And so then he's like, well, let's read your book.
[00:43:38]  And Reza Talmud is like, what the?
[00:43:41]  And that's what kept happening with the reformers is like, They would befriend Jews to help them get back to the original Hebrew for Bible translations and different languages and commentaries and things like that.
[00:43:51]  And then they would take that knowledge now that the Jews gave them and then they would read the Jewish religious text and then they would kick out the Jews.
[00:43:58]  Right.
[00:43:58]  And it became, you know, kind of just a cycle of happening again and again.
[00:44:03]  But the point is the Catholics, even the reformers, especially the early ones like Luther, Europeans, not non Christian Europeans, everybody kind of was like, Yeah, the Jews are not our greatest ally until.
[00:44:17]  What happened?
[00:44:19]  What's that until piece?
[00:44:21]  Why did all of a sudden we do an about face?
[00:44:24]  I think by definition it's liberalism.
[00:44:27]  I think it was the advent of liberalism because what emancipated the Jews was revolutionary France.
[00:44:33]  It was a Napoleonic legal code.
[00:44:35]  And he recreated the Sanhedrin in Paris, literally recreated the Jewish leadership.
[00:44:41]  And it went back and forth.
[00:44:43]  There was some pushback on the emancipation.
[00:44:46]  And so, The record of Napoleon is somewhat mixed on them, but I think it all goes back to the fall of the kings, the fall of the Catholic kings or the Christian kings of Europe, because you're right.
[00:44:58]  They called them disputations.
[00:44:59]  The king would summon the rabbis and they would summon the scholars.
[00:45:03]  Originally, Judeo Christian meant a Jew that became a Christian.
[00:45:06]  Right.
[00:45:07]  And these so called Judeo Christians would alert the Christians at the time, like today, they saw the Jews as like the older brother.

=== Fall Of Christian Kings (13:23) ===

[00:45:16]  Right.
[00:45:16]  Like, oh, well, they're brothers in the faith.
[00:45:19]  They didn't understand.
[00:45:20]  But then a Jew would convert.
[00:45:22]  The Jew would convert.
[00:45:23]  And he'd be like, actually, this is what we've been saying about you this whole time.
[00:45:27]  And the Christians were like, what?
[00:45:28]  Yeah.
[00:45:29]  And then they would burn the Talmud across Paris, Spain, Italy.
[00:45:34]  And what was interesting is a few years back when the Notre Dame Cathedral caught fire, there were some prominent rabbis that said, this is revenge for the burning of the Talmud in Paris 700 years ago.
[00:45:47]  Yeah.
[00:45:48]  They don't forget.
[00:45:49]  No.
[00:45:50]  And what's funny about that is, of course, everyone blamed it on the Muslims.
[00:45:53]  Mm hmm.
[00:45:53]  And maybe it was the Muslims because they vandalized churches, but they frequently missed it.
[00:45:58]  It's the Jews that seemed to like it.
[00:46:00]  Sort of like on 9 11 when they caught an Israeli woman smiling and saying, Well, now the Americans will understand what it's like to be Israeli.
[00:46:09]  But anyway, going back to why now, I think it really is the deferring of these religious disagreements.
[00:46:19]  It's this moral cowardice not to proclaim that we have the truth because we have Christ.
[00:46:25]  And to me, it wasn't just the kind of apparent contradiction, which is they believe Christ is an imposter, a sorcerer, a bastard, and we believe he's God.
[00:46:38]  It's that we believe he is the truth, and no one knows God.
[00:46:42]  No one knows the truth without him, without him shining a light on it.
[00:46:46]  And so, like you said, if a people does not have that at all, but for thousands of years, the fruits are not going to be good.
[00:46:56]  Well, if you look around today, like you said, from Marxism to the atom bomb to pornography, transgenderism, they seem to be at the fore of all these things because they lack that.
[00:47:10]  So I believe that liberalism is probably at the source of all of it.
[00:47:16]  And the downfall of any kind of Christian authority.
[00:47:19]  And if you look throughout the Enlightenment.
[00:47:22]  That's insightful.
[00:47:23]  We can talk more about that, but go ahead.
[00:47:25]  Certainly.
[00:47:26]  It was the Jews that were.
[00:47:28]  We talked about this, I believe, on another show.
[00:47:30]  It was Baruch Spinoza in the 16th century who was in Amsterdam.
[00:47:36]  And Amsterdam became a refuge for the Jews because it was the most liberal polity in Europe.
[00:47:41]  You know, they were expelled from Catholic Spain, they were expelled from Catholic England, they were expelled from Catholic Italy.
[00:47:49]  And they sought refuge in Amsterdam, the Dutch Republic, which was the most free speech, liberal place you could be.
[00:47:56]  And that is where Baruch Spinoza came up with biblical criticism and began what some call the radical enlightenment.
[00:48:02]  And he said that.
[00:48:04]  The Bible and the Christian religion is just a moral skin suit on the raw power of the kings, of the absolute monarchs of Europe.
[00:48:13]  And Spinoza's family undermined the Spanish king, the French king.
[00:48:19]  It was always a critique of Christian power, always a critique of the Christian monarchs.
[00:48:23]  And what's interesting is that even today, you look at some of the prominent Jews in the right wing, like let's say Joe Lonsdale, talked about this in another show too.
[00:48:34]  Who does he idolize?
[00:48:36]  Cyrus, who is the Messiah for the Jews.
[00:48:39]  Curtis Yarvin, who does he idolize?
[00:48:41]  Oliver Cromwell, who led the Protestant Republic in England, who let the Jews return to England against the monarchy, against the Christian monarchy of England.
[00:48:52]  He wanted a liberal republic.
[00:48:55]  So, what you tend to find, and I haven't done enough of the deep dive, but for 500 years, you tend to find that attacks on the authority of the Monarch, which comes from God, like the divine right of kings, liberalism, and the Jewish community, these things always tend to go together.
[00:49:16]  They always tend to converge, whether it's Amsterdam, Paris, London, St. Petersburg in 1917, it's always the same.
[00:49:24]  And so I would say that modernity, the Enlightenment, and the ascendancy of the Jews, these things are all happening reciprocally.
[00:49:33]  That's insightful.
[00:49:35]  Yeah, like I said earlier, I think liberalism is one of the greatest enemies that we have right now in terms of an ideology.
[00:49:42]  And the engine of liberalism seems to be egalitarianism, the complete flattening of every natural distinction that God made into the world.
[00:49:52]  Distinctions between men and women, distinctions between individuals, and distinctions between peoples, race, and nationality.
[00:50:01]  Just every distinction you could think of.
[00:50:04]  It's a rejection of the natural order, not just a rejection of Christian religion, but the natural order.
[00:50:10]  And so liberalism seems to be to be that, this radical equality at every level.
[00:50:18]  No one is special.
[00:50:21]  No one is above anyone else.
[00:50:22]  It's a complete rejection of distinction.
[00:50:26]  And without distinction, you necessarily are able to flatten all hierarchies.
[00:50:31]  Because that's all, like, hierarchies are the inevitable outflow of distinctions.
[00:50:37]  But if everybody's the same, then it's not just androgyny, but it becomes egalitarian equality.
[00:50:45]  And so I feel like, in some sense, I wonder if that's one of the reasons why Jews have had a particular.
[00:50:54]  Affinity with America, because America, both on the religious and political side of of the aisle, has been very egalitarian right, whether it's our, you know.
[00:51:06]  Whether it's politically, it's um, like there is no king here, you know it's, we're a republic at best, and I, I like republics, I wish we had one, you know.
[00:51:16]  But um, but really it's devolved rather quickly into a raw democracy right, you know, just mob rule, and then on the religious side, that's politically, but on the religious side uh, distinctly protestant Protestants don't do kings, you know, and most Protestant, you know, ecclesiastical polity is congregational, which is just the church polity equivalent of democracy.
[00:51:42]  Right.
[00:51:43]  And especially Baptists.
[00:51:45]  And I am a Baptist.
[00:51:47]  But I have always found that peculiar.
[00:51:50]  Like, why, like, okay, so we believe, like, it's not like on Sunday we just sit in a circle and everybody gets two minutes to share.
[00:51:58]  Like, we believe in a pastor, we believe that somebody would be.
[00:52:02]  More qualified and authoritative to share the word of God, to preach and to administer the sacraments.
[00:52:09]  But when it comes to voting on decisions of the church, every single member of the church, including children in Baptist polity, get an equal vote.
[00:52:17]  So you could have like a nine year old voting against their dad.
[00:52:20]  It's like, what?
[00:52:22]  You know, which is kind of crazy.
[00:52:24]  And Catholics would never do that.
[00:52:26]  No.
[00:52:27]  I mean, what are you talking about?
[00:52:29]  You know, like in Catholics, you always know who's in charge because of the size of their hat.
[00:52:32]  You know, the bigger the hat, you know, like that guy's, his hat's small.
[00:52:36]  And well, we could go with that analogy a little bit more.
[00:52:39]  The smallest hat gets kicked out of the country, 109 countries.
[00:52:47]  But I wonder if, now, obviously, I'm a convicted Protestant, so I'd like to think that Protestants could figure this out.
[00:52:54]  But I do wonder if you can correlate rejection of monarchs and rejection of an Episcopal, not Episcopalian, but it's called Episcopal polity.
[00:53:06]  Episcopalians have it, Anglicans on the Protestant side have it, you know.
[00:53:10]  And Catholics have it, but it's the idea of a hierarchical authority, right?
[00:53:16]  Like you have, you know, Pope, cardinals, and bishops, and, you know, and so on and so forth.
[00:53:21]  And there are Protestant versions of that.
[00:53:23]  Like it's not a coincidence that when England went Protestant, it didn't go Baptist, it didn't go Presbyterian, it went Anglican.
[00:53:31]  Because Anglicans still understand hierarchy and they have that built into their polity.
[00:53:36]  There actually is a ladder of authority.
[00:53:40]  But I wonder, with You know, that further rejection of hierarchy and distinction, um, and that happening simultaneously.
[00:53:49]  I guess my point is it was happening at the same time politically and religiously, both the church and the state kind of relinquishing any acknowledgement of, yeah, some people are fit to rule, others are not, and some people are divinely appointed to rule, others are not.
[00:54:09]  And as those things dissipate, um, All of a sudden, like it seems as though the West falls under this Jewish power.
[00:54:19]  Yeah.
[00:54:20]  Well, and, you know, the Catholic Church is not even immune from that either at the same time.
[00:54:24]  Now, dude, you guys have your Jewish problems.
[00:54:27]  We do.
[00:54:28]  And, you know, Vatican II is a perfect example where for thousands of years the Catholic doctrine on Jews was extremely consistent.
[00:54:36]  Then you have this Nostra Etate, which was introduced by a Jew who came to the council and said, Oh, I have this idea.
[00:54:44]  And there's a lot of debate.
[00:54:46]  They had to kind of recapitulate it.
[00:54:48]  Several times every decade, they revisit it in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s.
[00:54:54]  They don't know what to do with it because it's not true.
[00:54:56]  It creates these ambiguities about can Jews get to heaven without accepting Christ?
[00:55:02]  And I believe the answer is no, but the document creates some ambiguity about that.
[00:55:07]  That's terrible.
[00:55:10]  And there's a lot of Catholics that say there's this Masonic Jewish convergence inside the church in the 50s and 60s, which creates a situation.
[00:55:19]  And So no one is immune from that influence.
[00:55:23]  You guys have it in that way.
[00:55:25]  Protestants have it through dispensationalism.
[00:55:27]  Right, right.
[00:55:29]  And there are plenty of dispensationalists who would still say, no, Jews have to convert to be saved.
[00:55:34]  But some of the more extreme versions of dispensationalism have pretty much adopted two tracks of salvation.
[00:55:41]  For Gentiles, you're saved through Jesus.
[00:55:43]  For Jews, you're saved by being a good Jew.
[00:55:45]  Right.
[00:55:46]  Which is like, what?
[00:55:48]  Yeah.
[00:55:48]  That's not even Christian.
[00:55:51]  All right.
[00:55:53]  Last thing, maybe.
[00:55:55]  It's not just Israel.
[00:55:57]  You know, it's like, and I think that's something that you understand well that a lot of people don't.
[00:56:03]  Like, you like, because there's, you know, there's Jewish guys who are actually really great at calling out Israel and the Israeli government and, you know, Netanyahu and the war on Gaza and ethnic cleansing and a lot of those things.
[00:56:21]  Like, you know, guys who are Jewish who've done a good job.
[00:56:26]  But at the same time, if what we're saying is true, and maybe we're just wrong, but if what we're saying is true, even remotely true, then you're talking about a people that have been shaped by thousands of years.
[00:56:40]  And they've been shaped politically, culturally, geographically, by being nomadic and wanderers and never severed from the land, severed from anything natural, the natural distinctions, the natural order, but even nature itself.
[00:56:59]  They're not, this is my family's property and has been for, you know, 10 generations and we work the land and we're shepherds.
[00:57:06]  Like, it's not really this, no Jew has that story, you know?
[00:57:12]  And so, geographically and culturally and politically and religiously, the rejection of Christ, rejection of the logic, the logos, if that really has shaped a people, then the fact that some of them have moved over here and don't practice Judaism, And even can point out problems with the Israeli government doesn't mean that they don't still have that psyche.
[00:57:37]  Right.
[00:57:37]  You know what I mean?
[00:57:38]  And I feel like that's a hard concept for people.
[00:57:41]  They're like, okay, now you guys are just being racist.
[00:57:44]  You know, like, can you speak to that at all?
[00:57:47]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:57:48]  Yeah.
[00:57:48]  You know, the big question surrounding Jews in Israel is like, what exactly is going on?
[00:57:54]  Because people have a vague conception that something's happening with the Jews in Israel, but they don't.
[00:58:00]  They can't quite put their finger on it.
[00:58:02]  Is it Israel?
[00:58:02]  Is it the Jews?
[00:58:03]  Is it all Jews?
[00:58:04]  Some, the powerful Jews, the left wing Jews?
[00:58:07]  No one quite knows.
[00:58:09]  And I would say this has a lot to do with our priors as liberals because we live in a liberal world and we're all liberals now.
[00:58:18]  In America, we're all liberals.
[00:58:20]  And one of the fundamental tenets of liberalism is the blank slate, a tabula rasa, which is we're all born and we're just people.
[00:58:29]  We're all born as individuals.
[00:58:32]  And it's only by the world do we get colored by ideas and our tastes, preferences, things like that.

=== The Blank Slate Myth (03:00) ===

[00:58:40]  And so the idea that a people or a person is inherently anything, predisposition, predisposed, whatever.
[00:58:50]  Everyone has a tough time with this because it contradicts this blank slate ideology.
[00:58:54]  We like the blank slate because we think it's fair.
[00:58:58]  We think it's fair that anyone can be anything.
[00:59:01]  And if anyone is the wrong thing, it's because they chose to believe that because they're wrong or they chose to believe that because they're wicked.
[00:59:10]  And that is their individual choice.
[00:59:12]  But nobody looks at a person as a product of their genetics, their heritage, their parents, their religion, the ideas of their people.
[00:59:22]  And people, for whatever reason, they don't like the idea of a predestination or some level of predestination.
[00:59:30]  For some reason, it makes us uncomfortable.
[00:59:32]  And I started to get into this on Candace Owens.
[00:59:34]  I like predestination.
[00:59:35]  As a Calvinist.
[00:59:36]  Yeah, I'm sure you do.
[00:59:37]  Yeah.
[00:59:38]  But others do not.
[00:59:40]  Liberals do not.
[00:59:41]  And I started to get into this on Candace Owens' show.
[00:59:44]  It's like this idea is sort of being expressed everywhere.
[00:59:49]  It's like a deep frustration with the fundamental inequalities and qualitative differences.
[00:59:55]  Like, Lookism is an unexpected one because lookism says that your looks matter so much and you can't control them.
[01:00:06]  And think about kind of the blank slate equivalent is well, if you're confident and if you go to the gym, you too can get a hot girlfriend.
[01:00:17]  And for some people, it's like you will never get a hot girlfriend.
[01:00:20]  That little meme is so good where it's like the ugly fat guy who's balding, who leans in, and it's this woman working.
[01:00:27]  And he says, like, hey, you look cute today.
[01:00:29]  And she's like calling like HR.
[01:00:31]  And then the good looking guy leans into her office and says the same thing.
[01:00:34]  And, but that's so true, you know, just to prove the point that like it's not just your behaviors or the words that you choose to say.
[01:00:43]  It's like, hey, this Adonis looking fellow just complimented a woman and she took it as a compliment.
[01:00:49]  This not so Adonis looking guy is like, and it's sexual harassment, you know?
[01:00:54]  And it's strictly the only difference between them is looks.
[01:00:57]  Of course, we know that that's true.
[01:00:59]  And, but what the.
[01:01:00]  What the incels will say is that, you know, they'll say, well, you got to improve yourself.
[01:01:09]  You know, you got to go to the gym, eat right, get a good haircut, get cool clothes.
[01:01:14]  But what incels will do is show a picture of like a guy who's like 6'5 with broad shoulders and a great face who doesn't work out.
[01:01:23]  Right.
[01:01:23]  And then they'll show a guy who's 5'6, balding, no chin, but he's jacked.
[01:01:29]  And they'll say, well, he skipped genetics day at the gym.
[01:01:33]  He didn't go to the gym.
[01:01:34]  That's funny.
[01:01:35]  But it speaks to the fact that there are some things that are unchangeable and immutable.

=== Immutable Human Nature (09:20) ===

[01:01:40]  And as Americans who are turbo liberals, we hate that.
[01:01:45]  We do hate it.
[01:01:45]  We like the idea that I could be what I want to be.
[01:01:48]  Anything you want.
[01:01:49]  I'm a product of choice and of my own actions, and I control my destiny.
[01:01:54]  And the same applies to feminism and sexism.
[01:01:58]  The same applies to race and racism.
[01:02:01]  The same applies to, I think, when it comes to the Jews.
[01:02:03]  Because really, when you think about it, Jew and Gentile is a whole.
[01:02:08]  Other category besides ethnicity and race.
[01:02:10]  Right.
[01:02:11]  Because Jews, they distinguish themselves from every other group as a classification.
[01:02:17]  They don't say, like, well, there's Jews and then there's Persians and then there's Egyptians.
[01:02:21]  They say, no, there's the Jews and then there's the nations.
[01:02:24]  And we're against them.
[01:02:25]  And we, in a spiritual sense, are higher.
[01:02:28]  We're chosen.
[01:02:29]  They are beasts that look like people.
[01:02:32]  And so when you have someone like a Norm Finkelstein, for example, like he criticizes the genocide in Gaza and Israel, but somebody gets up and says, there's a Zionist occupation regime and he walks away.
[01:02:45]  And says, that's anti Jewish.
[01:02:47]  That's anti Semitic.
[01:02:48]  And it's like, On some level, you they're always going to be Jewish, right?
[01:02:53]  And it doesn't mean that you hate them, right?
[01:02:55]  And it doesn't mean you can't be friends with them or admire them.
[01:02:58]  Like, I and I get crap for saying this, but I have many Jewish friends, most of them are Catholic converts, and they're still play fast and loose with the truth.
[01:03:07]  They still have some very Jewish characteristics, uh, but they're funny, they're bright, they're innovative.
[01:03:13]  Like, I like them a lot, they're good people, but there are certain gaps that you can never fully bridge, right?
[01:03:19]  And as a whole, On the whole, the Jewish community, like you said, they can't turn their back on 3,000 years of tradition, culture, theology, history, and their story, which is we're under siege by the nations, persecuted for all time for who we are.
[01:03:38]  It's us against the world.
[01:03:40]  They never fully get past that, nor can they.
[01:03:43]  And that's okay, but we need to kind of understand it.
[01:03:47]  Be aware of that.
[01:03:47]  As well as they do.
[01:03:48]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:03:49]  They know it.
[01:03:50]  It's all the dopey, dumb Christians that don't know it.
[01:03:53]  They're like, uh uh.
[01:03:55]  They're our friends.
[01:03:56]  You know, it's like they, I mean, they're literally laughing about you when they get together.
[01:04:02]  Like they're mocking you.
[01:04:05]  Just as you were talking about like lookism and just the things that are just innate, right?
[01:04:11]  It's a blood memory, you know, like those kinds of things.
[01:04:15]  I just kept thinking about Tolkien, you know, one of my favorite Catholics.
[01:04:21]  But it's cool.
[01:04:23]  Like the older writing, and Lewis does this too as a Protestant.
[01:04:27]  But older writing, they were kind of like the last of their kind.
[01:04:31]  You know, it was very common before them.
[01:04:32]  You read like Odyssey or Beowulf.
[01:04:36]  But the hero is not actually the peasant or the pauper or the common man.
[01:04:44]  His pedigree really matters.
[01:04:46]  He's not a commoner.
[01:04:48]  And even like if it's, you know, like Ranger, you know, who's actually Aragorn, you know, like there's moments where it's like, I do not know what nobility may be in my blood.
[01:05:00]  You know, but I will, you know, you have my sword, you know, I'll do my best.
[01:05:05]  But notice it's not like here's a guy who's just, you know, he's a common man.
[01:05:10]  He doesn't have the pedigree, but he makes it up in spades with courage.
[01:05:14]  No, he has courage because he's been groomed for generations from a courageous line.
[01:05:22]  And there's been corruption in the line too.
[01:05:24]  Azildor, you know, like he, I mean, he has great, great, great grandfathers who kind of ruin the world by making the wrong choice.
[01:05:30]  And he's, you know, and very much it's in his story.
[01:05:33]  Story art to redeem the mistakes of his fathers, but there's still his fathers and there's nobility and there's greatness.
[01:05:42]  It's not a random greatness.
[01:05:44]  And there's so many stories like that older stories where somebody becomes the hero.
[01:05:50]  And then later in the story, you find out, oh, that's why they're the hero.
[01:05:54]  They were actually the great descendant of so and so, you know, or like even like Bilbo, you know, it's like, even when Tolkien's doing kind of the unexpected hero, where it's like, From all the peoples, a hobbit, you know, not an elf and not like a hobbit.
[01:06:11]  But even then, it's like, what kind of hobbit?
[01:06:13]  Oh, well, he was a took on one side, and his great uncle was the tallest hobbit there ever was and had a sense of adventure and was so big he could ride a real horse.
[01:06:23]  It's like he's got pedigree.
[01:06:25]  There's something in the blood.
[01:06:27]  It's a blood memory, you know, like there's something there.
[01:06:30]  And we hate that as Americans.
[01:06:34]  We hate that as modernists.
[01:06:39]  But I think that's the world that God made.
[01:06:41]  Yeah.
[01:06:42]  And here's the cool thing it doesn't mean it can't change.
[01:06:46]  Now, it's not going to change in 15 minutes.
[01:06:49]  But every great line of people had a first, right?
[01:06:55]  Somebody was the first great, great, great grandfather who did something that others didn't, who took the path less trodden, you know, and it made all the difference.
[01:07:06]  And so I look at that and I think, like, okay, I mean, you're Jewish, 3,000 years is a long time, you know, but you got to start somewhere.
[01:07:17]  Right.
[01:07:18]  You know, it's like, okay, so first thing I'm going to do.
[01:07:20]  Well, first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to say Christ is king.
[01:07:24]  And I'm going to submit to the Logos that my fathers rejected.
[01:07:31]  And next thing I'm going to do is I'm going to work hard.
[01:07:34]  I'm going to try to build wealth, all those things, but I'm going to intentionally do some things with my hands and not just, you know, banking from a computer.
[01:07:46]  I'm going to actually, and maybe it's, you know, in our modern economy and, you know, like, Maybe it's not practical, and you know, so you still have a job and you're working online.
[01:07:54]  It's like, but gosh darn it, I'm gonna plant a garden in the backyard and I'm gonna have soil on my hands, you know, because uh, for 3,000 years, my people didn't, you know, like, like, uh, I'm gonna have some dirt under my fingernails and I'm gonna teach my kids that, and they're like, and so what, whatever it is, like for white people, I'm like, um, I look back, you know, not not all the way back, King Alfred and Duke Godfrey, you know, Richard the Lionheart.
[01:08:20]  I mean, we've got some some great guys, but.
[01:08:22]  But, you know, for the last couple hundred years, I'm like, gosh, man, we kind of suck.
[01:08:27]  And so I'm like, okay, so I think some of my recent fathers have been cowardly.
[01:08:32]  I'm going to be really courageous.
[01:08:33]  I'm going to teach my son to be really, really courageous.
[01:08:36]  If you're black, it's like, yeah, my people have kind of been stealing bicycles a lot, you know, for a couple generations.
[01:08:45]  And when people say something mean, instead of saying something mean back, like physically assaulting someone, you know, and going to jail.
[01:08:53]  Okay, what am I going to?
[01:08:54]  I'm not going to go to jail.
[01:08:55]  I'm not going to be a criminal.
[01:08:56]  I'm going to be an upstanding citizen.
[01:08:59]  And I'm going to teach my children to do likewise.
[01:09:02]  And I do think that things can change, but not in 15 minutes.
[01:09:09]  We're talking about legacy.
[01:09:11]  Like heritage only happens because down the line, further up the stream, someone determined to start a legacy.
[01:09:20]  And the legacy was built over a thousand years or a couple of centuries, whatever it is, but generational.
[01:09:28]  And so it's a hard truth because people want to think I can change it all with me.
[01:09:33]  Right.
[01:09:34]  And so I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm not a fatalist.
[01:09:37]  I actually do believe you can change, but I think what each generation can do is you can change the direction.
[01:09:43]  You can't get all the way downstream with one life, with one person, with one generation.
[01:09:48]  But you can say, look, I'm a part of a stream that for 3,000 years has been going off a cliff and I'm going to change it.
[01:09:54]  I'm going to move it an inch and teach my son to move it too and teach.
[01:09:58]  And who knows what the Lord could do over time.
[01:10:02]  I say that because it could be my liberalism speaking, but I think I'd like to believe it's my Christianity speaking.
[01:10:11]  Hope.
[01:10:12]  We believe in hope.
[01:10:13]  And what is hope if not the belief that things can change?
[01:10:17]  Right.
[01:10:19]  And I think that's why we hate intolerance.
[01:10:21]  I don't consider we're Christian.
[01:10:23]  We have these somewhat militant views in some ways, but I hate intolerance.
[01:10:29]  I really do.
[01:10:30]  And I think you hit the nail on the head.
[01:10:32]  We hate it because there's no hope.
[01:10:33]  There's actually no charity.
[01:10:34]  You're not a Christian.
[01:10:35]  No.
[01:10:36]  And I love the idea that for Jews, they always have the avenue of becoming Christian.
[01:10:43]  Yeah.
[01:10:44]  And.
[01:10:45]  And rejecting because Judaism as a religion, it's particularist, it's exclusive, it's ethnic.
[01:10:52]  It says that it's us.
[01:10:53]  Yeah, you're right.
[01:10:54]  We are insulted, you are not.
[01:10:57]  And so there is, I think, always that opportunity for them to get on the right side of history.

=== Arrogance And Lineage (05:31) ===

[01:11:01]  And you leave that open.
[01:11:02]  And if not, you know, I'm also a believer in, as a Catholic, you treat them with dignity and respect.
[01:11:08]  And they have rights, of course.
[01:11:11]  But we want them to join in the communion, we want them to take their birthright, which is the Messiah.
[01:11:17]  And until that happens, Um, you don't have to exploit, you don't have to mistreat, but it's not racist to simply notice and say, I am going to be a little cautious, yeah, right?
[01:11:31]  Like that, that is permissible, and I think there's a way of doing that without being mean spirited.
[01:11:37]  So, it's actually just a rejection of the real world that God made that actually has distinct peoples and heritage matters, and we're not all just blank slates, but we're the We're the sons of former sires, you know, and none of us.
[01:11:58]  It's actually arrogant to think that it could be anything other than that, to think that I could come from, you know, a lineage, but that I could somehow just rise above all of it and do whatever I want.
[01:12:13]  You know, that's why, like, as a Calvinist, it fits well with my soteriology because nobody really.
[01:12:21]  We all like free will.
[01:12:23]  I believe in human agency.
[01:12:25]  Without human agency, there's no moral culpability.
[01:12:28]  Without moral culpability, God would actually be unjust in his judgment.
[01:12:32]  So I like to start on the other end.
[01:12:34]  God is just.
[01:12:34]  I know that.
[01:12:35]  So therefore, people must be morally culpable.
[01:12:38]  And if we're morally culpable, there must be some agency.
[01:12:42]  But free will, in just like a total sense, like a libertarian free will.
[01:12:48]  I'm not free to will myself to be nine feet tall.
[01:12:50]  I cannot, I'm not free to fly.
[01:12:53]  You know, I like it.
[01:12:55]  The will is bound by nature.
[01:12:58]  Like your choices are the spectrum of choices made available to each person are only that which is within their nature.
[01:13:08]  Right.
[01:13:08]  And it's the same for animals.
[01:13:09]  Animals have less choice because of their nature, it is less versatile and less complex and less elevated.
[01:13:17]  And so it's, you know, so we call it instinct.
[01:13:20]  It's still choice, but it's, But it's so base and so narrow.
[01:13:26]  The choice is like, do I bark at the squirrel or the bird?
[01:13:30]  And it's so narrow that we just call it instinct, but there's still choice.
[01:13:33]  And I think of like, I wonder what God, the way we would look at the dog and God looking at us, it's like, I'm limitless and I can do anything.
[01:13:42]  And He's like, I know what you have in the pantry.
[01:13:45]  It's going to be Honey Nut Cheerios or Captain Crunch.
[01:13:49]  Like, I'm free to eat whatever I want this morning.
[01:13:51]  No, you're actually not.
[01:13:53]  By providence and by nature, Those two very powerful things, the nature that God gave us and the world that He arranges around us, actually, at any given moment, we really only have a limited choice available.
[01:14:08]  Like, we're not just this universally free people that we think we are.
[01:14:13]  And then, when you compound that with being the product of the sons of former sires and the choices they had, and how that compounded and works with nature and provenance, then it's like, yeah, I'm just kind of in this stream for such a time as this.
[01:14:31]  And it may be over the course of my 80 years of life, I might only actually have a handful of moments.
[01:14:39]  Where a choice is actually within my wheelhouse, actually made available to me that would also be significant that could change the trajectory, you know, and looking for like, because there's so many things everyday life where it's like, yeah, of course I would have done that.
[01:14:56]  Of course it ended up this way.
[01:14:58]  It's actually like, it's weird, but like so much of life is actually unsurprising.
[01:15:03]  It's like, of course I did this.
[01:15:05]  Right.
[01:15:06]  Of course I did.
[01:15:07]  Like there was that and that at the time.
[01:15:09]  Of course, knowing me and what I like, Of course, I made this choice, and of course, I couldn't see it then, but I see it now.
[01:15:15]  Of course, this choice would lead to this next choice and that choice, and that's why I'm here.
[01:15:20]  And it's really like it's actually in God's big story.
[01:15:24]  It's all these little threads in this tap, but it's really somewhat rare that there's a few characters in the story and a few moments, even for each of those characters, where it's like there really is a significant choice that can alter the destiny of millions.
[01:15:44]  And it's cool to think that, like, On one hand, it's like it's humbling to think that that's who I am.
[01:15:52]  I'm a peon, I'm just part of the plan.
[01:15:54]  And then, but then on the other hand, if you can get over your arrogance, there's a comfort like, there's something assuring and knowing that, like, I can't, I couldn't screw this whole thing up, the world, even if I tried.
[01:16:09]  Like, he's got the whole world in his hands, right?
[01:16:11]  It's true.
[01:16:12]  So, anyways, yeah, any final thoughts?
[01:16:15]  Yeah, I mean, um.
[01:16:17]  I just, what I always go back to, because I think it makes it accessible, kind of what we're describing is I like to call myself like old school when it comes to race and these types of things, because we all really know what that means when we think of like our grandparents.

=== Honest Intentions Shine (01:45) ===

[01:16:33]  They didn't hate other races, they weren't filled with hatred and contempt, but they had this general sense of like they've dealt with certain peoples and they kind of know what they're about.
[01:16:45]  So be careful around these types, or you know, these types are always doing this, or be careful.
[01:16:49]  Even when it came to like marriage and women, there was like this old world, old school sensibility of like, oh, well, women are this way, men are this way, that's the way it's always going to be.
[01:17:00]  Blacks are this way, whites are this way, that's the way it's going to be.
[01:17:04]  And I like that because I feel like there's something innocent about it in a sense.
[01:17:09]  And it's sort of more of a colorful world.
[01:17:12]  Now we have to pretend like we don't know these things that we all know because, well, what if they're not all like that?
[01:17:18]  There's one out there who might be like cool or something.
[01:17:23]  And that's just how I treat it.
[01:17:25]  And it's funny because I talk about these types of issues on my show all the time.
[01:17:30]  And my clips lately are going viral on Instagram and everything.
[01:17:35]  And what everybody always says in the comments is, this guy is likable.
[01:17:39]  They say, even though I'm saying the N word in some of them, it's black people saying, I don't care.
[01:17:45]  I like this guy the way he's saying it because they know it doesn't come from a place of hatred.
[01:17:50]  And so I'm a big believer in.
[01:17:54]  Being honest and just letting your true intentions shine through.
[01:17:57]  And I think people can understand that, you know, we want what's best for everybody.
[01:18:00]  So we can reject liberalism without it turning into like a weird, hateful, cruel.
[01:18:05]  Yeah, you don't have to be a monster.
[01:18:07]  Right.
[01:18:08]  So, those are my final thoughts.
[01:18:09]  You don't have to be a monster and you also don't have to be retarded.
[01:18:12]  Liberals are retarded.
[01:18:13]  Well said.
[01:18:14]  All right.
[01:18:14]  Thanks for the show.
[01:18:15]  I appreciate it.
[01:18:15]  I hope the episode has been helpful and we'll see you guys in the next one.