NXR Podcast - NXR Livestream - America: Nation or Empire?
Aired: 2026-01-23
Duration: 01:30:41


=== Christian Nationalism and Imperialism (03:03) ===

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[00:00:06]  We make no apology about that, 100%.
[00:00:09]  And yet, at the same time, I must admit that we are Christendom maxing.
[00:00:13]  And when we look at Christendom, Christianity, and its global influence over the last 1500 years, God has used nations that cannot be disputed.
[00:00:24]  And yet, at the same time, it wasn't simply nationalism, there were Christian empires.
[00:00:30]  Christendom, it contained an empirical element, and that's inescapable.
[00:00:36]  Whether it's the Byzantine Empire, the Roman Empire, the British Empire, more recently, and the American Empire, which seems as though it had its high watermark maybe in the early 1900s, and we have been, and we have to acknowledge this for the last century, we have been on a slow decline.
[00:00:56]  And so, what we're going to try to do today is explain what is Christian nationalism, and then just nationalism in a broader sense, and what is Imperialism, and is there any way to reconcile the two?
[00:01:10]  Because we are nationalists, but we are not isolationists.
[00:01:14]  And there are certain aspects of imperialism, especially by God's grace, if it be Christian imperialism, that we think are not only biblically permissible, but actually benevolent towards other nations, beneficial for the nation that has that control, but the nations at large, and not only permissible, beneficial, but also in some sense, if a nation is powerful enough.
[00:01:40]  Inevitable that there's a certain aspect in which we're kidding ourselves if we pretend that you're going to have this strong Christian nation that's powerful, that's opulent, that's wealthy, that's moral, and that it's going to have no influence or power in the rest of the world.
[00:01:58]  That's just not really possible.
[00:02:02]  And so we're going to be talking about Christian nationalism and Christian imperialism and talking about how these two things can be held in tandem, if that's even possible.
[00:02:13]  And especially, we're going to kind of flesh out how these things historically have been at odds.
[00:02:19]  That when you start to embrace the empire, the homogenous aspect of the nation at the national level begins to fracture, begins to break apart.
[00:02:29]  We've experienced that here in America.
[00:02:31]  Rome certainly experienced that.
[00:02:33]  England, the British Empire certainly experienced that.
[00:02:35]  So, we're going to be taking a historical overview, looking at Christian nations and Christian empires, and then honing in on our nation, these United States of America, where we are today.
[00:02:47]  What went wrong?
[00:02:48]  Can it be fixed?
[00:02:49]  Do we need to pick a lane and just be nationalist and leave the empire stuff out of it?
[00:02:55]  Or do we go and get us some Greenland?
[00:02:57]  Which I think, I actually think we could do both.
[00:03:00]  I'd like to take Greenland.
[00:03:02]  That's what we're talking about today.

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=== Ted Cruz Abandons Texas (02:41) ===

[00:06:57]  We're so back.
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[00:07:00]  Now, we are in huge trouble because we're in Texas.
[00:07:05]  And we're in huge trouble for a lot of reasons being in Texas because it turns out you can absolutely mess with Texas.
[00:07:11]  You can mess with its immigration policy, H 1B visas flooding the state.
[00:07:15]  You can mess with Texas in a lot of ways.
[00:07:17]  But particularly, we are in trouble this weekend for all our Texas listeners.
[00:07:21]  Shout out to you guys.
[00:07:22]  You know the predicament that we're in.
[00:07:25]  It has been reported, rumors on the ground, that Ted Cruz and his family have been spotted at an airport.
[00:07:32]  Heading out of the state, out of the country for what was it?
[00:07:36]  Cancun or something like that?
[00:07:37]  I think they're going to get resources and they're going to bring him back to Texas to help us.
[00:07:40]  He's not heading north.
[00:07:41]  Let's just put it that way.
[00:07:42]  He's heading south.
[00:07:44]  Ted Cruz has legitimately been sighted.
[00:07:46]  This is the rumor at an airport heading out of the country to go to some tropical vacation.
[00:07:51]  And the last time he did that was February 2021.
[00:07:55]  And that's when I think it was like 211 people froze.
[00:07:59]  211,000?
[00:08:01]  No, 211 people froze and died.
[00:08:04]  Yeah, died.
[00:08:04]  That's so that's when we had like a week long power outage in Texas because of a historic, unprecedented snow.
[00:08:12]  We had like a foot of snow, it was crazy.
[00:08:13]  And we don't, and it's like, oh, Texans, you know, you're weak or whatever.
[00:08:17]  No, we like, we just literally don't have the winterized, you know, the homes themselves are not we don't have insulate like you do have them in the Northeast, correct?
[00:08:26]  So, when everybody's power went out and they don't have the insulation and they don't have the winterized, you know, piping and all these kinds of things, everyone lost water, they lost heat.
[00:08:35]  Houses quickly dropped.
[00:08:36]  I remember inside my house, it got down to, I think, 53 degrees inside the house.
[00:08:41]  And we had a newborn baby, you know.
[00:08:43]  And so, like, we're like, you know, so it was tough.
[00:08:45]  So the point is this if you see Ted Cruz leaving the state, because Ted Cruz, he's the kind of man who he will abandon his people in a heartbeat, right?
[00:08:56]  He's probably on his way to Israel, but, you know, Tel Aviv, Ted.
[00:09:00]  But if Ted Cruz, if you know bad weather's coming and he's spotted at the airport with his family, You know it's going to be bad.
[00:09:07]  He's the Texas groundhog.
[00:09:08]  If he shows his face, you know you're going to freeze.
[00:09:10]  Yeah.
[00:09:12]  So please be praying for us and others in Texas.
[00:09:15]  Ted Cruz once again has abandoned us, and that means it's going to be bad.
[00:09:19]  He knows things that we don't know.
[00:09:20]  And when he knows troubles on the way, he stands his ground and protects people in Texas.
[00:09:25]  Now he immediately flees, goes and visits the Bahamas.
[00:09:28]  He stands his ground and says, Israel needs me.
[00:09:31]  Yeah.
[00:09:32]  Israel needs me.
[00:09:33]  So seriously, it's rough.
[00:09:35]  So be praying.
[00:09:36]  All right.
[00:09:36]  All right.
[00:09:37]  Well, we're going to go ahead and dive right into it.

=== The Dilemma of Empire (15:01) ===

[00:09:38]  There's a tension between imperialism, which we get from the British Imperial Empire, this idea.
[00:09:44]  We even have metrics and different measurements that we use reflecting this time when Britain ruled so much of the known world that all the measurements were standardized, no matter where you were.
[00:09:53]  So you have imperialism, which is the stand in for empire, emperors, kings, vast amounts of space.
[00:09:59]  And then you have this idea of nationalism the nation, the state, limited, this connection of blood, lineage, soil, land, and people.
[00:10:08]  And I'm using very broad, big buckets.
[00:10:10]  There's obviously nuance within nationalism, your old Greek city states, nation states, versus the French Revolution, versus civic nationalism, versus all different types of nationalism.
[00:10:20]  But talking two big buckets here here's a tension a nation is always going to have to undergo as it grows and expands and it's successful.
[00:10:28]  How big do you get, and what does it mean to actually belong to that nation?
[00:10:33]  And if you look at history and you survey it, you kind of see an ebb and a flow, a back and a forth between the consolidation of power, right?
[00:10:41]  Big massive empires and all the benefits that come with it.
[00:10:44]  I mean, think of the opulence of Rome.
[00:10:45]  Think of the things that they were able to collect from the rest of the world.
[00:10:49]  They were able to use ducks and bring water in from hundreds of miles away, and roads and coins and travel.
[00:10:55]  I mean, you can have a great life when you're seated at the seat of power at the head of this vast empire spanning multiple continents.
[00:11:02]  Same thing for the British.
[00:11:03]  It's kind of funny.
[00:11:04]  It said, for the beauty of their women and the quality of their food, the British became the greatest seafarers that ever lived.
[00:11:10]  And it's a little bit tongue in cheek, kind of picking on the British.
[00:11:12]  But seriously, why were they getting all these spices?
[00:11:15]  Why were they getting all these slaves?
[00:11:16]  They were getting all these dental programs, the quality of their dentists.
[00:11:21]  For the flavor in their breakfast, we're talking beans, we're talking toast.
[00:11:26]  No, but why did they loot India for all these spices?
[00:11:29]  Why did they go to Africa?
[00:11:30]  The slaves typically weren't going into the jungle and bringing them out.
[00:11:33]  They were lined up on the shore and they were buying them.
[00:11:35]  It was quality of life.
[00:11:36]  There's lots of things that come with being an empire that allows you to do a lot of things, to have a high standard of living, to have a lot of control as well.
[00:11:44]  You have these provinces, you're in control, you rule with an iron fist.
[00:11:47]  So there's benefits to this empire side of things.
[00:11:50]  But we've lived through now, at this point, decades since you could call it World War II, 80 years, eight decades of globalism.
[00:11:57]  We said, sure, we can get a lot of stuff cheap.
[00:12:00]  I mean, my goodness, anything you could want shipped to your door.
[00:12:03]  You can also have people that will work for dirt cheap, whether it be in your tech company, whether it be in hospitality services.
[00:12:09]  We've got cheap labor.
[00:12:10]  We've got cheap goods.
[00:12:11]  We have the most delicious taco food trucks around.
[00:12:14]  What more could people want?
[00:12:15]  Well, it turns out actually people could want a lot more.
[00:12:17]  We're all saying this doesn't feel like the greatest thing ever.
[00:12:20]  And so you're seeing, not just here in America either, globally, a return to nationalism.
[00:12:25]  Hey, somewhere along the way, we lost our identity of what it meant to be British, what it meant to be German, what it meant to be American.
[00:12:32]  And this is the pendulum empire.
[00:12:35]  Nation, empire, nation.
[00:12:37]  You had the ancient city states, very much so connected to kinship, rulers, and lineage.
[00:12:42]  This is your Egypt.
[00:12:43]  This is your Athens, very much so centered around a small group of people that existed for themselves.
[00:12:49]  If you were descended from those people, you were the ones who held citizenship, you were the ones who held power, and everyone else was a second class ruler.
[00:12:56]  But of course, we see Rome.
[00:12:57]  And Rome, it's interesting, you kind of compare Britain and Rome.
[00:13:01]  Rome is landlocked.
[00:13:02]  So they had to have this strong military in order to maintain.
[00:13:06]  Their territory in order to remain Rome as a city.
[00:13:09]  And they fold the Italians in eventually.
[00:13:11]  They become this massive empire.
[00:13:12]  I mean, the most famous story you're hopefully all familiar with Judea becomes a province.
[00:13:16]  They take over these little countries, and it's like, congratulations, you're being liberated to become a tax farm.
[00:13:22]  And so the Roman Empire grows.
[00:13:24]  But what happens?
[00:13:25]  Well, eventually you have provinces, you have people, and you have people vying for power.
[00:13:31]  And you have in the 500s, Rome splits the Byzantine Empire in the east.
[00:13:36]  It's a mixture of the Franks, the Visigoths, all these different Germanic peoples in Europe.
[00:13:41]  And that great fragmentation, so the fragmentation, people spread out.
[00:13:46]  They come back together.
[00:13:47]  You have a Holy Roman Empire, the Habsburg dynasty in Eastern Europe.
[00:13:51]  But then you get to the French Revolution, and again, people come back to, after the Napoleonic Wars, this idea again of nationalism.
[00:13:58]  But they come back to a different idea of nationalism.
[00:14:00]  We were talking about this in the Cold Open.
[00:14:02]  They come back to this idea more of creedal, propositional, an idea of nationalism.
[00:14:08]  Somewhere along the way, what begins to get lost.
[00:14:10]  In this process of the Enlightenment, which is not a monolith for the record, the Enlightenment is not just, oh, Enlightenment bad.
[00:14:16]  It was the natural progress of history.
[00:14:18]  As, for better or for worse, the Protestant Reformation freed science, medicine, and all these things from the auspices of the church over it, there was going to be developments, there was going to be changes, there was going to be norms that were challenged.
[00:14:31]  So the Enlightenment challenges these norms, and it comes up with this interesting idea of, well, how about the nation, but the nation predicated on not so much the people, not so much the land, not so much the ethnic identity.
[00:14:43]  But on liberty, fraternity, and egalitarianism.
[00:14:47]  That would be the French Revolution.
[00:14:49]  And we see that.
[00:14:49]  The point of today's episode is America.
[00:14:52]  Which one are we going to be?
[00:14:53]  Are we going to be the nation with walls that are 100 feet high and every border locked down, America for Americans?
[00:15:00]  Or is the Western Hemisphere ours?
[00:15:02]  We rule.
[00:15:03]  We say who stays in power.
[00:15:04]  We need this for strategic resources.
[00:15:07]  We're going to take what we want.
[00:15:08]  And so that's the tension.
[00:15:10]  And last thing I'll say, I want to give it to Antonio because we want to get into America specifically, is you do see some of that French idea come through in the American ethos.
[00:15:19]  That some of those ideas of nationalism, it gets reborn, but it gets reborn with these flavors of, uh, A very flattened, very unhierarchical.
[00:15:27]  We were talking even last night.
[00:15:29]  Does egalitarianism come into America via the French Revolution, via the intellectuals, or is there some parts of Christianity that are twisted and warped to make America egalitarian in that sense?
[00:15:41]  And it's the same tension you just saw right now at the World Economic Forum over the weekend that Donald Trump is getting at.
[00:15:46]  He's bringing back a vision, and we're going to talk about whether it's for better or worse, of an imperial America, a hemisphere that's ours, a place we rule.
[00:15:55]  With military might.
[00:15:56]  Donald Trump at the World Economic Forum?
[00:15:59]  Didn't love those words coming out of my mouth.
[00:16:01]  It's not great.
[00:16:03]  Yeah, no, I think it's also interesting.
[00:16:05]  You can sort of, so you have imperialism, you have nationalism.
[00:16:08]  You can go into nationalism and see, I think, Wes, as you started to lay out different forms of nationalism.
[00:16:14]  And I think you could call them, you could call it civic or propositional.
[00:16:17]  That's sort of what you were describing.
[00:16:18]  And then there's this nationalism that emerges in the 19th century, predominantly in sort of central and eastern Europe.
[00:16:24]  So you can think of like Germany.
[00:16:26]  For example, and it's this idea of romantic nationalism.
[00:16:29]  It's a lot more rooted to the people and the specific myths that they tell themselves in the history and the tradition, and that spanning back a millennia in the case of Central Europe.
[00:16:39]  And if you look at the early Americas, you can actually see kind of both elements.
[00:16:43]  Like, in one sense, you can totally understand how the founders were sort of informed by the Enlightenment.
[00:16:49]  There are certainly Enlightenment thinkers, Jefferson and the lot.
[00:16:52]  And if you read the Declaration of Independence, it actually does read like a propositional sort of Form of nationalism.
[00:16:58]  It's very creedal.
[00:16:59]  Things like all men are created equal.
[00:17:01]  These things are creeds, right?
[00:17:02]  And so you can see how, in that sense, the sort of civic nationalist today is actually pulling those things out of the founding.
[00:17:10]  And of course, the other side of the coin is the sense in which it was kind of assumed there was some presuppositional kind of understanding of who the people were, where they emerged from, the basis on which these ideas and shared culture and history all sort of rested.
[00:17:26]  And so you see this sort of back and forth, this vying that's happening, I think.
[00:17:30]  In America, even today, as we look back into our history to say, what was it?
[00:17:33]  Was it more of the proposition?
[00:17:35]  Was it more of the people and the place and the history and the myths?
[00:17:39]  And so that, on its face, becomes kind of the dilemma.
[00:17:43]  It becomes a matter of sort of historical interpretation and what exactly the founders think.
[00:17:48]  Like, I think on one of these episodes a couple weeks back, I sort of quoted George Washington's sort of farewell address.
[00:17:55]  And at one point, he's quoting and saying, I have a fondness for the nation and for the people.
[00:18:00]  You know, the place where my father's blood was spilt, those sorts of things are coming out.
[00:18:03]  And so clearly they had this connection, though it was a little bit more shallow than, for example, you would look back into Europe and see.
[00:18:11]  But for me, I think like the Holy Roman Empire is actually a good example of sort of what's happening with this sort of ebbing and waning and waxing, or I should say, waxing and waning of imperialism and nationalism.
[00:18:22]  So you have the Holy Roman Empire, we're thinking about the 15th century.
[00:18:26]  And the Holy Roman Empire at that time is actually comprised of both.
[00:18:30]  Protestants and Catholics.
[00:18:31]  And essentially, it splits up and breaks into nations and what our modern conception of a nation is over these sort of inter or intra imperial, you know, religious and political divides.
[00:18:42]  And so these nations are fighting, and the Holy Roman Empire, it can't hold it all together.
[00:18:46]  And this is sort of what you were talking about, Wes, which is an empire essentially breaks down when the people on the ground who are dispersed around the land or around the world, in the case of the British Empire, they look into the global system, whether that's the Holy Roman Empire or the British Empire, or today you could argue it's the UN, it's NATO.
[00:19:05]  They look at the global system, they assess themselves with respect to it, and they think it's broken.
[00:19:12]  And that could be on religious grounds, that could be on economic grounds or political grounds.
[00:19:16]  And that's when the nationalism starts to emerge, saying, hey, this system doesn't work for us, and we want to break free of it.
[00:19:21]  And of course, at that point, when somebody wants to break free, everyone wants to break free.
[00:19:25]  It's a sort of idea of secession being the same thing Florida wants to secede.
[00:19:31]  Oh, well, North Carolina wants to secede too.
[00:19:33]  If everything's breaking apart, we don't want to be the ones left holding the bag.
[00:19:38]  And that's sort of where we can assess America today with respect to nationalism.
[00:19:43]  But also, we talked about Iran on the episode about sort of what's happening there and the rise of nationalism.
[00:19:49]  It's happening everywhere in the world.
[00:19:51]  Everyone's looking and saying, there's no benefit to this.
[00:19:54]  And to even hone in on a little bit more what the imperialism is today, what this sort of global empire is, it's an economic empire.
[00:20:02]  And you introduce the invention of technology and your ability to outsource not only sort of manufacturing, but also information.
[00:20:10]  You can outsource, for example, you've got tech people in India.
[00:20:14]  They don't even have to be here, and they can sort of provide economic value.
[00:20:17]  And so, what was always sort of the underlying engine for imperialism, which was You could think back to the 18th century of being spice and grain and access to gold and all of these things.
[00:20:28]  Now it's access to labor, it's access to information, it's access to software and those sorts of things.
[00:20:36]  And it's happening today.
[00:20:38]  And at some point, you get so stretched thin, economically speaking, so stretched thin that the people in any given nation actually feel like they're giving more than they're bringing in.
[00:20:49]  And that's sort of the disruption we're seeing today.
[00:20:51]  And America's really at the height of it.
[00:20:53]  And even if you think about American history, America.
[00:20:56]  Has gone through these series of, we want to be isolationist and non interventionist.
[00:21:02]  And then they'll go into a spirit of global expansion.
[00:21:05]  I'm thinking about the turn of the 20th century and the Rooseveltian era.
[00:21:08]  And we think about America getting involved in the Spanish American War and the Philippine War.
[00:21:13]  Walk softly and carry a big stick was Teddy Roosevelt's motto.
[00:21:16]  You're not going to be super involved, but my goodness, if you act up, daddy's coming to town.
[00:21:21]  Right.
[00:21:21]  He's coming with a big stick.
[00:21:22]  Yeah.
[00:21:22]  And so there's always this tension of America is, and this is really sort of my diagnosis of where America's at it's trying to hold on to national.
[00:21:31]  Nationhood, being a nation, a cohesive nation, while also engaging in these quasi imperial activities.
[00:21:38]  And so you start at the 20th century and you can see the wars, particularly under the Monroe Doctrine in the Western Hemisphere, that America's getting involved in and saying, we need all European powers out of the Western Hemisphere.
[00:21:50]  We want to own this half of the world.
[00:21:52]  And then you go into World War I, isolationist, but then eventually dragged in toward the end.
[00:21:57]  World War II, isolationist, but eventually dragged in through an attack.
[00:22:00]  And then you come out of that and America's a hegemon.
[00:22:03]  And America can finally say, wait, There's no other global power.
[00:22:08]  You also come out of that into the Cold War.
[00:22:10]  And then the Cold War emerges.
[00:22:11]  It's so easy to forget that half of the world lay under communism.
[00:22:16]  And there was this real sense in America of like, this is an existential crisis, and the possibility of nuclear war wiping us out is real.
[00:22:23]  I'm sympathetic to the dispensational who felt through the last half of the 1900s, the world could be ending any day because they all lived under the threat of basically nuclear war between two massive superpowers on either side of the world that were ready, especially at like the Cuban Missile Crisis, this close.
[00:22:39]  To just sending all your nukes you have, blowing it up.
[00:22:43]  And so, even under that, the development of, well, we're America and we're going to kind of hunker down.
[00:22:48]  We're going to kind of do our own thing.
[00:22:50]  And then the Cold War ends and it's, oh man, the world's opened up to us.
[00:22:53]  Even China to the late 1980s, they begin to embrace some capitalism.
[00:22:57]  They become a manufacturing capital of the world.
[00:23:00]  All of these different pieces in history come together.
[00:23:02]  And it's interesting, and I want to hone in.
[00:23:04]  And Joel, you said something really good during our debate on interracial marriage.
[00:23:07]  I don't think it's a coincidence that the early 1900s is the time that we point to and say, When was America kind of at the height of its power?
[00:23:14]  And she was interfering.
[00:23:16]  She was going out and getting what she wanted.
[00:23:18]  Well, I think that's because after the Civil War, and after some of the reconstruction that happened, you had this period where you had a real American ethnogenesis.
[00:23:28]  One of the earlier ones is in the early 1800s when you had lots of migration.
[00:23:32]  This is primarily from England.
[00:23:34]  The core colonial stock of America is English.
[00:23:37]  It's the WASP, the white Anglo Saxon Protestant.
[00:23:40]  Well, in the 1800s, a lot of Germans begin to come.
[00:23:42]  And you have this process where the pioneer experience, the wilderness, It forges this new type of American.
[00:23:49]  And Teddy Roosevelt himself points to that as this source of cohesion.
[00:23:53]  That all these different peoples from Europe had come together.
[00:23:55]  And Joel, you've likened it to a cake, and I want to hand it to you.
[00:23:58]  All these different peoples come together, and the adversity, the heat, and the ingredients, similar peoples.
[00:24:04]  John Jay, very early on in the Federalist Papers, he cites that as a source of American cohesion.
[00:24:10]  We come speaking the same language.
[00:24:12]  We worship the same God.
[00:24:13]  We're descended from the same law system.
[00:24:15]  So those similar ingredients, similar people brought together in the heat of it.
[00:24:19]  Creates this new American ethnicity.
[00:24:20]  And with that core identity that really hadn't been degraded much by that point by massive immigration that came after World War II, well, we have this American identity, and it's very easy for us actually to be incredibly powerful, to be a manufacturing hub, to explode with industry.
[00:24:36]  And it's called the Roaring Twenties.
[00:24:38]  I'm going to go ahead.
[00:24:39]  Yeah.

=== America as a Melting Pot (12:23) ===

[00:24:40]  Yeah.
[00:24:40]  So I've likened it to like more of like a blacksmith.
[00:24:43]  The cake thing is that would work, baking a cake, but let's make it a little bit more masculine.
[00:24:48]  So think like you're fashioning a sword, you have a furnace.
[00:24:52]  Within the furnace, you have a source of heat, fire.
[00:24:56]  You also have the element of time, right?
[00:24:58]  You can't necessarily accomplish your task in 30 seconds.
[00:25:02]  It's something that's going to require time.
[00:25:04]  So you need the heat, the fire.
[00:25:06]  You also need the time in order to melt and mesh the metals into one.
[00:25:12]  And then, of course, you need the ingredients.
[00:25:15]  And with fashioning a sword, you want ingredients that are compatible, right?
[00:25:21]  So it's not just one ingredient, there's probably going to be a few.
[00:25:26]  But they're going to be closely related to one another.
[00:25:29]  So you have iron, you have some kind of alloy, aluminum, or something like that, different metals that you're meshing into one another.
[00:25:39]  So if you think of America historically, we had wave after wave of immigration, but although those waves were fairly large, you think of the Irish coming, you think of the Italians coming, you think of the Germans coming, these were large influxes of peoples that were joining this.
[00:25:59]  Mostly, as you stated, Wes, wasp, you know, so it was primarily in Anglo Saxon, it was British, Protestant.
[00:26:06]  But as there was an influx of new people, you had large additions, but you had pauses, time in between.
[00:26:14]  So it would, you know, when it rains, it pours, but then you would have a season where it would pause and stop, and you'd be able to take this new ingredient, this new metal that just came in, and bake it into the pie, you know, work it into the substance.
[00:26:30]  And in the case of these different ingredients, there were obviously sharp distinctions.
[00:26:37]  But they weren't, you know, although there were sharp distinctions and disagreements and these kinds of things, it wasn't, you know, Haitians and Swedes, right?
[00:26:48]  It wasn't that distantly related.
[00:26:51]  So when Germans came in, well, Germans are European, Germans are white, and the Germans were Lutheran, they were Protestant.
[00:26:59]  And so are there distinctions?
[00:27:01]  And sharp disagreements between the Germans and the British, you know, the founding stock.
[00:27:06]  Yeah, uh huh.
[00:27:08]  But not to the same degree.
[00:27:10]  It's, I mean, Germans coming in as Lutherans is very different than, you know, a bunch of Pakistanis coming in as Muslims, right?
[00:27:19]  That's radically different.
[00:27:21]  And so, you know, you had the influx of the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, but you had these different ingredients were somewhat relatively closely related, at least a lot more.
[00:27:33]  The Italians were difficult because they were Catholic.
[00:27:36]  And America was majority Protestant.
[00:27:39]  And so when the Catholics came in, there were sharp disputes in that regard.
[00:27:45]  And the Italians struggled more to assimilate.
[00:27:47]  And because they struggled more to assimilate, they gravitated towards crime.
[00:27:52]  That's where you got all the mob syndicates.
[00:27:54]  And like New York became infested by mob bosses, the mafia.
[00:27:58]  And it was primarily Italian Catholic families that made up the mafia.
[00:28:03]  But given enough time, eventually Italians assimilated and were baked into the pie.
[00:28:08]  And so, if you think of like the furnace being the land, the place, all right, so you have the landmass geographically, this country, in our case, America, that's the furnace.
[00:28:18]  And then you have the ingredients, that's the peoples, right?
[00:28:21]  You're taking iron, you're taking maybe some silver, you're taking some whatever, these different metals, that's the peoples, right?
[00:28:28]  So, Germans and Scots and English, and you know, and so you have the ingredients are like the people, the furnace is like the land, the place, and then the fire, excuse me, the fire, the heat source.
[00:28:42]  In many ways, I would liken that to providence, particularly in the form of adversity, challenge, difficulty.
[00:28:50]  And that's something to keep in mind that when it comes to early immigration in America's history, yes, it is immigration.
[00:28:57]  I understand.
[00:28:58]  I'm not going to just, well, actually, that's fine.
[00:29:01]  But I think we also have to understand that the country was not yet settled, right?
[00:29:05]  So these are immigrants, but they also are functioning as different waves of settlers.
[00:29:10]  And what I mean by that is that America still had a lot of work to be done.
[00:29:14]  It's a large landmass, and we didn't have that many people.
[00:29:18]  So, when people were coming, they weren't coming to a place that already had roads and highways and toll booths, you know, and a perfect mail system and all the infrastructure.
[00:29:29]  Welfare, social security, social aid.
[00:29:31]  And they're, you know, these were not people who were coming for a check.
[00:29:35]  They weren't coming for a handout.
[00:29:36]  They were coming for an opportunity, and they were going to have to work in order to achieve it.
[00:29:41]  And so, it's like, all right, hey, you're here, and here's some unsettled land.
[00:29:47]  Acres and acres, miles and miles.
[00:29:49]  It's out there.
[00:29:50]  You're going to have to get there.
[00:29:51]  You're going to have to survive.
[00:29:53]  You're going to probably have to fight some Indians.
[00:29:56]  You're going to have to not die of dysentery.
[00:29:59]  You know, the Oregon Trail old computer game.
[00:30:01]  You know, I'm aging myself here.
[00:30:03]  But like, and if you can survive and if you can tame the land and if you can build and if you can settle, then it's yours.
[00:30:12]  That's not what people are coming to anymore.
[00:30:14]  It's all settled.
[00:30:15]  There's no such thing as settlers in the year of our Lord 2026.
[00:30:18]  It's just.
[00:30:19]  Money, please, immigrants.
[00:30:21]  That's all it is.
[00:30:22]  Money, please.
[00:30:23]  There's no, hey, we're coming to help build this country.
[00:30:26]  No, we're coming because we already destroyed our country, right?
[00:30:30]  Indians somehow will make America better, but they haven't been able to make India better.
[00:30:34]  So we're actually destroyed our country.
[00:30:36]  We're coming for a handout from your country.
[00:30:38]  We're not coming to build it, we're coming to take it.
[00:30:42]  And so the difference is iron, think of like iron and silver versus gold and grass.
[00:30:52]  Those are two ingredients, but far more distantly related, right?
[00:30:57]  And so we have like five, six, seven different ingredients, closely related, different kinds of metal, but they're all metal.
[00:31:05]  Now we have like five or six different kinds of metal, and we also have some dirt and wood and hay and stubble and grass and curry, you know.
[00:31:14]  And, you know, also we have instead of five or six ingredients, we have like 500 different ingredients.
[00:31:22]  Instead of them being closely related, they are like oil and water, very distantly related.
[00:31:28]  The furnace is already now very full, right?
[00:31:30]  That's the place, the land itself.
[00:31:33]  The furnace doesn't have nearly as much space, as much room.
[00:31:37]  The fire.
[00:31:38]  That's the providence, the adversity, the challenge.
[00:31:41]  There is no fire.
[00:31:42]  So, you're taking, instead of five or six closely related ingredients and putting them in a hot furnace to weld them together, you're taking 500 ingredients, not closely related at all, putting them to a furnace that hasn't been turned on, that hasn't been lit.
[00:31:54]  There is no fire of adversity, right?
[00:31:56]  It's actually cold.
[00:31:57]  You come, you get a handout.
[00:31:59]  So, there's no fire, there's no adversity because that brings people together providentially.
[00:32:04]  That's one thing that forms a sense of unity.
[00:32:07]  Right after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, Like, we achieved unity on the right for almost a full two weeks.
[00:32:14]  You know, like, it was like 10 days of unity, which is quite the achievement for the right.
[00:32:19]  And you're being a little facetious, but seriously, guys like Matt Walsh said, if you are against the people that killed Charlie Kirk, we are allies.
[00:32:26]  We have our differences, they matter.
[00:32:27]  But right now, we are going after the people that murdered this guy.
[00:32:31]  That's right.
[00:32:31]  And COVID was similar.
[00:32:32]  COVID is like, dude, like, all right, we lost half the team.
[00:32:35]  Turns out the guys who were calling themselves conservatives were actually just, you know, raging liberals.
[00:32:40]  So, like, half the team, you know, disappeared and was following, you know, David French and.
[00:32:44]  You know, Francis Collins and all these kinds of guys, and doing like paid demonstrations and propaganda in churches for the vaccine.
[00:32:52]  Um, you know, so you lost those guys, but the people remaining tight unity, right?
[00:32:58]  Like locking arms, we're fighting together.
[00:33:00]  And we, you know, we've had a lot of relationships in 2020 and 2021.
[00:33:04]  It's like, man, these are our guys, but then time continues and then it becomes more fractured and more particular.
[00:33:13]  Like, are we going to fight this issue or this issue?
[00:33:16]  And even just Hamas's attack on Israel on.
[00:33:17]  October 7th.
[00:33:18]  That has been a fracture point for the right over the last two years.
[00:33:22]  You had COVID sorted people, and then you had another issue, but then it resorted people into different buckets that were different from the last sorting event.
[00:33:30]  Exactly.
[00:33:30]  So, my point is the fire in the furnace is indicative of providence, particularly the form of providence that is adversity, heat.
[00:33:41]  And that heat is what unifies, right?
[00:33:44]  People were coming to America, they were willing, Irish, Italian, English willing to put these differences aside because they had a common task and a common challenge that they had to rise up in order to overcome.
[00:33:57]  So the reality is now we have so much decadence, so much opulence, so much wealth and ease and convenience and comforts that people are no longer coming to a challenge, an opportunity.
[00:34:11]  They're coming to a handout.
[00:34:13]  So you have a furnace that's no longer lit, there is no fire.
[00:34:16]  You have instead of five or six closely related ingredients, Distinct but compatible, 500 to 600 distantly related ingredients.
[00:34:27]  And then you also have the furnace is getting real congested, very full.
[00:34:32]  And then the last factor is time.
[00:34:34]  There's no time.
[00:34:35]  Wave, wave, wave of immigration.
[00:34:38]  And it just doesn't stop.
[00:34:39]  It just doesn't, like before, it's like a big wave.
[00:34:43]  Everyone's upset.
[00:34:43]  The Irish are here.
[00:34:44]  Nobody likes them.
[00:34:46]  Everybody's upset.
[00:34:46]  Literally discriminating.
[00:34:47]  We're not going to hire you.
[00:34:48]  Yeah, we're not going to hire you.
[00:34:50]  And it was tough.
[00:34:50]  It's like, so, and it was a big wave.
[00:34:52]  It's like, boom, ton of Irish people showing up.
[00:34:57]  We don't like it.
[00:34:58]  That makes me mad.
[00:35:00]  And then a few decades go by and you're over it.
[00:35:04]  Right.
[00:35:04]  We haven't, that's one of the big missing pieces.
[00:35:06]  And even to be fair with that, a lot of them lived separately.
[00:35:09]  That's what made America so good as well.
[00:35:11]  And that goes back to the space.
[00:35:13]  Exactly.
[00:35:13]  It was less congested.
[00:35:14]  So now it's, you're adding new ingredients, not every few decades, but like every week.
[00:35:22]  There's another boat, there's another plane, there's another installment.
[00:35:26]  So there's no time.
[00:35:28]  There's no fire.
[00:35:29]  There's no room to go and kind of like you do you over there and we'll do us over it.
[00:35:35]  So there's no space.
[00:35:37]  It's congested.
[00:35:38]  There's no time because the immigrant is wave after wave after wave with no pause in between.
[00:35:42]  There's no fire because everything's already settled.
[00:35:45]  There's no adversity.
[00:35:46]  There's no real challenge.
[00:35:47]  You're coming for a handout rather than coming to work.
[00:35:50]  And the ingredients are not five or six, but several, several hundred, and they're distantly related.
[00:35:57]  And in that backdrop, that's a long way of saying, in that context, You don't have a country.
[00:36:04]  You don't.
[00:36:05]  Yeah.
[00:36:05]  And I would just even loosely extend the analogy to say the instructions, you could think of those.
[00:36:11]  The instructions on how to fasten a sword are similar to what we would call propositions or creeds.
[00:36:16]  And instructions are going to vary on ingredients.
[00:36:19]  If you're making a sword out of particular metals, there's going to be different instructions in terms of how you, at what point do you blend the metals, what point do you heat the metals, et cetera.
[00:36:29]  So that's another element.
[00:36:31]  And it brings us back just to this geopolitical strategy.
[00:36:35]  Okay, people might ask, well, why can't we be a propositional nation?
[00:36:38]  Why can't creeds just bind people?
[00:36:41]  And you can actually look at America.
[00:36:42]  Because people are different.
[00:36:43]  People are different.
[00:36:44]  And you know what?
[00:36:45]  Cite Iran in the 1950s, where we tried to do a regime change and implement Western ideals, and it didn't last very long.
[00:36:52]  It lasted 25 years.
[00:36:54]  You can cite Iraq, Afghanistan.
[00:36:56]  The list goes on and on.
[00:36:57]  And all of these places, Vietnam, where America tries to say, it really is just propositions.

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[00:42:35]  All right, well, what I hope we got across in that first segment is that history is complicated.
[00:42:40]  And we would speak of it.
[00:42:42]  We would say we've had Christian nationalism here in the past, we've had Sabbath laws that on a Sunday, stores can't be open.
[00:42:47]  Even still here in Georgetown, Texas, you cannot buy liquor on a Sunday.
[00:42:51]  We have laws still on the books.
[00:42:52]  We've had blasphemy laws, we've had Sunday laws, we've had a thoroughly Christian culture, nation, laws, people, politicians in our past.
[00:43:02]  And our goal, by God's grace, would be that we have that again.
[00:43:05]  But we also recognize there's so many different factors that come into that.
[00:43:10]  So it would be easy to say, for example, well, America is rapidly declining as a Christian nation.
[00:43:14]  We went from, it was about 95% in the late 1950s to today more like in the 60%.
[00:43:20]  So America's apostatizing.
[00:43:21]  What's with all this atheism?
[00:43:23]  Well, it didn't help that 30% now of our population has been imported.
[00:43:27]  From countries that are not majority Christian.
[00:43:29]  And so there are pieces of the pie that you have to recognize and get to and say, okay, if we're going to have Christian nationalism, we have to recognize that the ingredients that made it the first time, that created it the first time, the context that brought this about, we no longer have that.
[00:43:45]  And how is it that you bring out the nationalism piece, a nation, but also the Christian piece?
[00:43:51]  How do you achieve that in a context that's so muddled by globalism?
[00:43:56]  And the next question is, At the end of the day, we are ultimately, at some level, the peanut gallery to the administration, the president, the executive branch that is setting policy.
[00:44:05]  And right now, it would appear I think of tariffs specifically, our intervention in Venezuela with Maduro, and the look to acquire Greenland.
[00:44:13]  President Trump's doctrine that will likely be continued by JD Vance is looking more like a Western Hemisphere dominating, imperialistic foreign policy.
[00:44:23]  We're going to get involved in Iraq, we're going to bomb the heck out of your nuclear reactor sites.
[00:44:29]  On Israel's behalf.
[00:44:30]  Oh, you're a foreign president and fentanyl is coming to our borders through ships from your shores.
[00:44:36]  Well, we'll go ahead and come in there in the middle of the night, and it was awesome, and take you out of your bed in your pajamas and haul you up here and keep you here indefinitely.
[00:44:45]  Greenland, massive chunk of land.
[00:44:47]  Well, something, something, China, we decided we need strategic access to it.
[00:44:52]  So we're aiming for Christianity and for nationalism.
[00:44:55]  But one of the things we have to recognize is that what's rapidly returning, and Antonio, I want you to tie it to Manifest Destiny and the Monroe Doctrine.
[00:45:02]  Is this idea that's always been underneath the surface and it's come out at varying points that, well, actually, this half of the world is ours.
[00:45:09]  And forget nationalism, we're kind of coming for the whole enchilada.
[00:45:12]  Yeah.
[00:45:13]  Yeah, it's super interesting.
[00:45:14]  So, just a point of history.
[00:45:16]  So, President James Monroe, this would have been at the beginning of the sort of 19th century, so the early 1800s, basically created this idea.
[00:45:27]  It's what we call the Monroe Doctrine, but it's the idea that we didn't want European foreign powers in America's backyard.
[00:45:34]  And at that time, it was, you can think back and You know, Louisiana Purchase and those.
[00:45:38]  Right, the French held this massive tract of land that we realized.
[00:45:41]  You had Spanish in the Caribbean and the British in the Caribbean.
[00:45:45]  And so it was basically a doctrine for American leaders to say, we have an incentive to own or have the sort of economic balance of power in our favor in the Western Hemisphere.
[00:45:58]  And this was sort of the prevailing doctrine with respect to foreign policy and economic policy in the 19th century.
[00:46:05]  And then you have this emergence of this, you know, imperialistic figure that we call.
[00:46:11]  Theodore Roosevelt at the turn, sort of late 19th century, turn of the 20th century.
[00:46:15]  And he basically comes and he says, I want to make this more broad.
[00:46:18]  I think America, with our naval power, Roosevelt had a massive emphasis on sort of military, sort of spending money on your military, building up your Navy, so that we can make not only the Caribbean and just the continent of North America, but all of the Western Hemisphere America's domain, America's backyard.
[00:46:36]  And so that extended into the Pacific.
[00:46:38]  And that's the reason we were involved in the Philippines and Japan, which obviously set the stage for World War II, but also in South America, in countries like Venezuela and in the Caribbean and in the broader Atlantic.
[00:46:51]  Region as well.
[00:46:52]  And so America has sort of operated under this mentality, even under a nationalistic frame, which is it was actually more nationalist than it was imperialist.
[00:47:00]  It was just America's the greatest nation, we're the biggest nation, and we ought to have control in our hands and everything.
[00:47:07]  It wasn't necessarily about annexation, although it was that at times the Louisiana Purchase, annexation of Hawaii.
[00:47:14]  But for example, in Cuba, you had the Spanish Cuban or the Spanish American War, and America freed Cuba from the Spanish and then immediately retreated and left.
[00:47:24]  Similar situation in the Philippines.
[00:47:25]  America gets involved in the Philippine insurgency and then immediately leaves.
[00:47:30]  And so, in one sense, it wasn't this pure imperialistic frame of like, we want to acquire all of these territories and we want them to be America.
[00:47:39]  It was more so of, we love our nation.
[00:47:41]  We think our nation's best interests should be seen in our hemisphere.
[00:47:44]  And so, we're going to ensure that geopolitically those things occur.
[00:47:48]  And so, it's just different.
[00:47:49]  And it's interesting if you just bring that today and say, okay, where is America in, for example, like, Desiring to purchase Greenland?
[00:47:57]  Is America being imperialistic or is it being nationalistic?
[00:48:00]  And you can kind of see how it's both, right?
[00:48:03]  In one sense, America's saying, no, actually, we love America.
[00:48:06]  We're proud to be American and we want access to oil in Venezuela or oil in Greenland or all of their natural minerals.
[00:48:14]  And going back to this idea of like when imperialism breaks down, it's because a nation or group of people look at the system and say, the balance of power is not in our favor.
[00:48:25]  And you can call it whatever you want.
[00:48:26]  You can call it the EU, you can call it NATO.
[00:48:28]  But the reality is that Americans are looking at this global system and saying this isn't fair to us.
[00:48:33]  And so the natural implication of things like Greenland, things like Venezuela, is we're actually going to turn ourselves off to the system.
[00:48:41]  The system's going to say, oh, you're breaking away from us.
[00:48:43]  So that's the EU, for example, and the terrorists that Trump leveraged on the EU in the sort of Greenland negotiation.
[00:48:50]  It's America basically saying we don't want to participate anymore.
[00:48:54]  And we'll eventually make enemies as a consequence.
[00:48:57]  Yeah.
[00:48:57]  Someone asked a good question.
[00:48:58]  What are the differences of an imperialist system?
[00:49:01]  So if you're an empire and You have your goals as an empire.
[00:49:04]  How do those differ from globalism?
[00:49:07]  Because you could look at the two at a high level and say, well, it seems like globalism and imperialism, it's a lot of trade, it's a lot of interconnectivity, and it's a lot of foreign relations.
[00:49:15]  And I think the big missing element that we have to consider here, and you didn't see it as much with these older empires, is global capitalism.
[00:49:22]  So, what separates imperialism as a doctrine from the goals of globalism as a doctrine?
[00:49:27]  And globalism, the reason it's so nefarious is that it seeks the accrual of capital at all costs.
[00:49:33]  So, I think of manufacturing.
[00:49:35]  If you're imperial and you're thinking about America first, you're saying, I'm not going to offshore my manufacturing of cars, of this, of that, because ultimately what that's going to do is it's going to take American and American workers and put them out of a job.
[00:49:48]  But when you have a capitalist, globalist mindset, you look at that and you say, well, actually, if I take this plant and I move it to Mexico, I can manufacture cars for 23% cheaper.
[00:49:57]  Now, sure, there will be people that are unemployed, there'll be entire towns that were built around manufacturing steel or manufacturing cars or manufacturing electronics.
[00:50:06]  They would no longer exist anymore.
[00:50:07]  They would come on hard times, but the bottom line would go up, and so it's worth it.
[00:50:11]  And that's the critical distinction and something that has to be kept in the conversation.
[00:50:15]  It's not just, well, we want to grow and we want to see parts of Greenland be ours and we want a presence in South America and we want to intervene here.
[00:50:23]  We shouldn't be doing that on the behalf of big corporations.
[00:50:26]  Smedley Butler, a great U.S. Marine back early, even in the 1900s, he himself said, I was basically the hired gun, the armed guard for big corporations.
[00:50:37]  When big corporations get their hands in and they control parts of the economy, you think of smaller countries, there are corporations in there that are massive proportions of that country's economy.
[00:50:48]  And so then they want something, or they're risking tariffs, or they're risking embargo.
[00:50:52]  They're absolutely going to use every tool at their disposal to shift the balance in their favor.
[00:50:58]  And so that's where you distinguish and say that's corporations, private corporations, looking to grab capital, looking to make the GDP go up, looking for just capital and money gains, versus an imperialistic mindset that says, We want this because it's security.
[00:51:14]  We want this, like I think of Venezuela.
[00:51:16]  There's a little bit of oil in there, but let's take the reason as stated.
[00:51:20]  They're bringing drugs to our shores, and those drugs are killing Americans.
[00:51:24]  We've had enough, and we're cutting it off at the source.
[00:51:27]  That's two vastly different ways of thinking about it.
[00:51:29]  I want you because I want your stuff, and I want you to be a tax farm.
[00:51:33]  Your people are so poor, they'll make batteries for pennies on the dollar.
[00:51:37]  Globalist.
[00:51:37]  Hey, we're disposing the president of this country because he is a tyrant, because he tortures his own people, and he refuses to do anything about the cartels that are flooding our borders.
[00:51:47]  Imperialistic.
[00:51:48]  Two very different things.
[00:51:49]  That's a really very different outcome.
[00:51:51]  Yeah, and it's kind of been both, at least through the Latter half of the 1900s, it was, especially after during the Cold War, America's expanding.
[00:52:00]  I mean, we probably have military bases, hundreds of military bases in countries around the world.
[00:52:05]  So you think about imperially, you know, from a security measure, America's got it covered.
[00:52:10]  But at the same time, it was actually globalism.
[00:52:12]  It actually was, and we're partnering.
[00:52:15]  And a lot of times, from what I've read, it was actually that was a mutual exchange.
[00:52:19]  It was, we'll open free trade to you if you allow us to establish two military bases.
[00:52:23]  And so they're always going hand in hand of globalism and globalism.
[00:52:27]  Outsourcing labor overseas to these cheap nations while also leveraging, for example, in Japan, leveraging in Vietnam, these outposts, if you will, for America, sort of geopolitically.
[00:52:37]  There's this incredible story.
[00:52:39]  I was just learning about it.
[00:52:40]  Japan in the early 1800s had no foreign trade, they were basically locked down.
[00:52:44]  They didn't trade with other countries.
[00:52:45]  And the U.S. sailed ships to their shores and demanded at the point of cannon point, wouldn't necessarily be gunpoint, demanded the point of cannon point that they open up.
[00:52:54]  And it was that process of opening up Japan, which had been its own nation, not on the global stage.
[00:52:59]  That was profoundly humiliating to them.
[00:53:01]  And then as they struggled to compete, that's what drove them, beginning of World War II, under pressure from Russia in the North.
[00:53:08]  They were like, we don't have enough to compete.
[00:53:10]  We need to go out.
[00:53:11]  And so that's when you see Japan become an imperial power.
[00:53:14]  It takes over China, commits these terrible human rights violations that we all recognize now.
[00:53:19]  And that's literally because we shaled ships to their shore, pointed cannons up at them, and said, we want your stuff.
[00:53:25]  Whoa, wait a minute.
[00:53:27]  We've gone way off track if that seems to accomplish any type of goals that benefit the American people.
[00:53:32]  Right.
[00:53:32]  You get this emergence of.
[00:53:33]  Firstly, nationalism, and then a desire for nationalism to sort of create an imperialistic attitude overseas.
[00:53:40]  And you're totally right, America set the course in the Pacific.
[00:53:43]  I mean, even if you predate World War II and Pearl Harbor by 20 years, and there's already conflicts over the Philippines, and Japan's thinking the same thing America's thinking actually, which is this is our backyard.
[00:53:54]  Japan, South China Sea, this is all of our backyard, and we need access to it.
[00:53:59]  We should have our navy there.
[00:54:00]  And America's sort of fighting back and forth with this, actually meaningfully smaller in terms of landmass.
[00:54:06]  Nation, but in sort of its propositions and its cohesiveness, it was, yeah, it was very similar.
[00:54:13]  Great.
[00:54:13]  All right, let's do this.
[00:54:15]  Let's do some concluding thoughts.
[00:54:16]  If there's anything else historical or something like that that Antonio or Wes wanted to share, and then we're going to go ahead and skip towards the end.
[00:54:25]  We've got a couple of super chats.
[00:54:26]  One of them was very generous, and so I want to make sure that we emphasize that.
[00:54:31]  Wes, any concluding thoughts?
[00:54:33]  I'll just say for myself I think that imperialism, Christian imperialism, is not only permissible, I think it's inevitable.
[00:54:43]  But I think that you can have nationalism without imperialism.
[00:54:48]  I think you can have nationalism if it's a protected core, and that historically has not happened.
[00:54:54]  So you can have nationalism without imperialism.
[00:54:56]  You can have nationalism, perhaps, this is debatable, but perhaps with imperialism.
[00:55:01]  The one thing you can't have is imperialism at the cost of nationalism.
[00:55:06]  And I feel like whether it's the Roman Empire, the British Empire, or what's happening today or really in the last hundred years with America, if you go and try to take the world, but you erode the core stock of your own people, Imperialism externally, right?
[00:55:23]  We have some measure of provinces and control and authority externally, and other nations out there is very different than imperialism internally.
[00:55:33]  We're importing all the nations here in our own nation, in our own backyard.
[00:55:37]  And I feel like that's what we've done, and that is not sustainable.
[00:55:41]  So the idea that we're going to be some kind of powerful imperial force in the world, meanwhile, we also don't have a country here at home, and we've imported everybody here.
[00:55:52]  And we are not doing a very good job of getting along, and a lot of people are not compatible.
[00:55:57]  I think that that has a short shelf life and that it's not sustainable.
[00:56:01]  So I feel like the most pressing issue right now, in terms of priority, is nationalism for the West, recovering a national identity, and that predominantly having to do with people, not just propositions, but people.
[00:56:15]  And then for those nations that can achieve that and are more powerful and a positive influence in the world, then I think imperialism comes back as a viable option on the table.
[00:56:25]  So that's.
[00:56:26]  That's my assessment.
[00:56:28]  Let's end by asking you guys do you think that both nationalism and imperialism, Christian nationalism and a Christian imperialist element, is it possible?
[00:56:38]  Can you do both?
[00:56:40]  Well, I would just say I think Wes synthesized to a fine point how we can deter the lens through which we can actually view imperialistic activity, so whether it's Greenland or Venezuela, which I think boils down to interests.
[00:56:53]  Like you can talk about corporate interests.
[00:56:56]  Why exactly are you engaging in the behavior?
[00:56:59]  That you're engaging in geopolitically with respect to your foreign policy.

=== Domestic Liberty, Foreign Intrusion (15:24) ===

[00:57:02]  And I just think my analysis of America today is just pure skepticism, even if it's like purported national security, the lens through or the framing that the Trump administration provides.
[00:57:14]  I'm always a little bit skeptical because I know they have donors in their corner.
[00:57:18]  I know they have people that, whether it's mining companies or oil companies, whatever the case is, shipping companies, that, hey, there's actually some economic benefit to Greenland capture.
[00:57:30]  And that's the real reason.
[00:57:31]  Now, of course, the American people are going to buy into national security, and you've got to be able to protect the North Pole and these hypersonic missiles from China.
[00:57:39]  But whatever the case is, I think America and West, you sort of labeled it as like consolidation.
[00:57:46]  And I think America needs to go through this period of consolidation before we could ever emerge from this just skepticism of our foreign policy, which is to say, do we actually believe the people are represented in government?
[00:57:57]  Do we actually believe that the nation's interests?
[00:58:00]  Are America first, or the Trump administration, or whoever comes after that their policies are actually America first, until we actually have an America and we can actually define what an American is.
[00:58:12]  There's always going to be these interests that aren't aligned, right?
[00:58:16]  And so, in the body politic, voting in these liberal politicians who then have big corporate interests, and then they're just like fighting in Washington about what big donor gets what sort of handout.
[00:58:29]  And so, yeah, so my sort of analysis, I know a lot of people are like Trump maxing on Greenland.
[00:58:35]  My analysis is general skepticism, again, because I don't believe that we're even truly a nation in the proper sense as of now, in terms of just.
[00:58:44]  The things happening politically.
[00:58:46]  So, we need to get that first.
[00:58:47]  We need to get to consolidate and define our idea of what an American is and what America First policy looks like.
[00:58:54]  And then we can talk about, okay, now how does that transfer to America First foreign policy?
[00:59:00]  Yeah, Wes.
[00:59:00]  The way I see it, we're coming up on 250 years of America.
[00:59:04]  So, this July, it'll be 250 years.
[00:59:06]  I recognize that the Constitution wasn't until 1778, but 250 years since we declared our independence from Britain.
[00:59:12]  But the time that's gone on since then, we've barely had, in some senses, a moment to breathe.
[00:59:16]  We had the Revolutionary War.
[00:59:18]  Britain comes back for seconds.
[00:59:19]  The War of 1812.
[00:59:20]  50 years later, the American Civil War, Reconstruction, World War I, which was not on our shores, which was helpful.
[00:59:27]  But then 1929, the stock market crashes, the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Cold War.
[00:59:35]  Then we had the Cultural Revolution.
[00:59:36]  We had the Jesus Movement.
[00:59:37]  We also had the Hippie Movement.
[00:59:39]  And then we've had, I would say it was with Biden's administration especially, immigration all through that time.
[00:59:44]  America in its 250 years has not had a moment to breathe, has not had a century to settle down and say, These are the people that make up our cohesive stock.
[00:59:54]  It's been influx, it's been outflux, it's been wars, it's been trials, it's been difficulties.
[00:59:58]  And so, imperialism, of course, can be done.
[01:00:02]  And Americans of all people, we're the greatest to ever do it, and we'll do it great.
[01:00:06]  But we need time.
[01:00:07]  We need 50 years, 100 years to say we can't be the peacekeeper out there.
[01:00:13]  When here back at home, billions, hundreds of billions of dollars are being wasted in fraud.
[01:00:18]  Forget even the people that don't belong here.
[01:00:20]  We've lost control of our finances, we've lost control of security, and we are getting steps to getting that back.
[01:00:25]  Homicides are at the low.
[01:00:26]  I think objectively, America, as far as safety goes, we're getting back there.
[01:00:30]  We need decades of that.
[01:00:32]  And after we do that for decades, then I think we arm our British brothers and sisters that are fighting their tyrannical government in Britain, in Germany, in France.
[01:00:40]  But for now, we've had 250 years.
[01:00:42]  We've gone back and forth.
[01:00:44]  A lot has happened.
[01:00:45]  We need time.
[01:00:45]  We're still a new nation, a new people.
[01:00:48]  And that's my take on it.
[01:00:49]  Well said.
[01:00:50]  All right.
[01:00:50]  First super chat today comes from Dapper Dan.
[01:00:53]  He gave us a super chat saying something I've been thinking about lately.
[01:00:57]  Tell me if I'm off base.
[01:00:59]  Our current liberal order seeks to be domestically libertarian and geographically intrusive.
[01:01:07]  Christian nationalism requires the opposite.
[01:01:10]  I think that's insightful.
[01:01:11]  I think there's a lot to add.
[01:01:12]  Well said, yeah.
[01:01:13]  And part of where we've kind of broken away in this Christian nationalist discussion, we were kind of early on that train in 2021, 2022, and having theological arguments with other Christians.
[01:01:27]  Christian nationalism is terrible, and this is bad, it's not biblical.
[01:01:30]  And we were, you know, very early on on the pro Christian nationalist side of the aisle.
[01:01:35]  We were on team Christian nationalism and defending that theologically, politically, these kinds of things.
[01:01:41]  But I will admit that rather quickly, it took a while, you know, for these things to be exposed and fully revealed in a clear fashion.
[01:01:51]  But I'd say within the first two years of the Christian nationalist debate, by the time we got to 2023 and certainly 2024, by the time we got to the end of 2024, what became blatantly apparent is that at least a good half, if not more, if not even the majority 75% of the guys who did side with being Christian nationalists.
[01:02:14]  Christian nationalism for them was simply a theocratic libertarianism on the home front, domestic, for the nation.
[01:02:23]  So, taking imperialism aside, taking foreign involvement aside for a moment, and just looking at how the country itself views itself, how it operates, what laws are in place, what traditions, what virtues, what values.
[01:02:39]  A lot of the Christian nationalist guys, Christian nationalism was simply a euphemism.
[01:02:43]  It was a placeholder for theocratic libertarianism.
[01:02:46]  What they meant by Christian nationalism.
[01:02:49]  Was really just free trade, loose economic policies that allow for basically unbridled capitalism to where you can make money as quick as possible.
[01:03:01]  Like a lot of these guys were, yeah, we're nationalists, but economically 100% we're globalist.
[01:03:07]  100% we're globalist.
[01:03:09]  And with the nationalist piece, a lot of them weren't even really that concerned about immigration.
[01:03:14]  They thought it should be legal, but they were like, yeah, so long as it's legal, You know, oh, these are legal citizens.
[01:03:20]  Don't worry.
[01:03:21]  As long as it was legal, you know, you could have a ton of them so long as it had an economic benefit in America, whether it eroded the founding stock of America or not.
[01:03:31]  That was of little consequence.
[01:03:33]  And so I think you're right on the money in terms of saying that last part where you said, seeks to be domestically libertarian and geographically intrusive.
[01:03:45]  I think that that's a lot of what we're seeing right now is a strong hand, right?
[01:03:51]  A firm hand.
[01:03:52]  When it comes to the rest of the world and America's treatment and involvement, but very, very loose hand here in the country itself on the domestic front.
[01:04:04]  You know, just, you know, we don't really need that many laws.
[01:04:06]  You don't need that many rules.
[01:04:08]  And basically, you know, as long as there's not chapter and verse, you know, something explicitly in the Bible that forbids it, then it's free game, especially if it has some kind of economic benefit.
[01:04:20]  And I think that's a shame.
[01:04:23]  And so the last part of the comment he said Christian nationalism requires the opposite.
[01:04:27]  And I guess what I'm saying is, I agree with you as a Christian nationalist.
[01:04:31]  The unfortunate reality, though, is I would say about 50 to 75% of the guys who took up the moniker of Christian nationalism over the last four years, they would strongly disagree with that statement.
[01:04:44]  They would say that Christian nationalism is basically political libertarianism.
[01:04:49]  That's what it is.
[01:04:50]  And we would disagree.
[01:04:51]  We'd say Christian nationalism actually is a strong state, right?
[01:04:54]  We're kind of shedding some of the conservative.
[01:04:59]  Tropes and cliches and stereotypes of like, well, I'm a conservative, so that just means, you know, small government.
[01:05:07]  Our government should be a lot smaller in some arenas, right?
[01:05:11]  A lot smaller when it comes to financial handouts for Somalians, right?
[01:05:16]  I'd like to see that a lot smaller.
[01:05:19]  But the reality is that it's not, that's a false dichotomy of small versus big.
[01:05:23]  As Christian nationalists, what we should care about most is not small versus big, but righteous versus wicked.
[01:05:29]  And the reality is, if we are to have a righteous civil magistrate, a godly civil magistrate, what it would probably look like initially is a government shrinking almost entirely in some regards, like federal aid and welfare and these kinds of things, but actually getting bigger in other regards because we're so lawless and so out of hand, there's so much degeneracy.
[01:05:50]  It would be actually a bigger state in terms of cracking down on pornography, a bigger state in terms of cracking down on usury, a bigger state in terms of cracking down on immigration.
[01:06:00]  And like we, for instance, The bill that passed to fund ICE.
[01:06:05]  That's a bigger state.
[01:06:07]  These are guys who are going to be employed by the state, paid tax dollars.
[01:06:12]  It's like more money, bigger budget, more employees.
[01:06:15]  Bigger state.
[01:06:16]  But we would say that's Christian nationalism because we have an invasion problem and we need to protect the nation.
[01:06:23]  And so that's not libertarian.
[01:06:24]  There's nothing libertarian about it.
[01:06:26]  That's actually saying no, it's time to be meticulous and absolutely intentional and involved.
[01:06:33]  So, yes, I think true Christian nationalism.
[01:06:36]  In many cases, not all, but in many cases, would be the opposite of domestic libertarianism.
[01:06:42]  The unfortunate reality is that we've got about 50 to 75% of the guys who've taken up the Christian nationalist moniker who would actually say the opposite, and that's been muddying the waters and making things very unclear.
[01:06:54]  Yeah, I would just quickly say I think also this idea of being domestically libertarian and geopolitically intrusive is actually one of the sources of our immigration problems as well as America gets involved and the West more broadly gets involved over.
[01:07:07]  Overseas, you're creating wars, you're creating conflict, these regime changes are creating a refugee problem.
[01:07:16]  And then at home, you're actually pretty culturally lenient.
[01:07:18]  These people look to America and they say, Oh, I see a better life where I can practice my religion.
[01:07:24]  I can sort of eat what I want and eat what I don't want and live where I want and live within my community, even in America.
[01:07:31]  And so we're creating the problem, creating the sort of disturbances overseas, and then driving people to the shores of Western nations.
[01:07:38]  Right.
[01:07:38]  Well said.
[01:07:39]  Another super chat from Dapper Dan.
[01:07:41]  He said, I do think that there is an inverse relationship between nations enforcing their own culture at home and enforcing that same culture abroad.
[01:07:53]  The latter tends to create reliance on universal principles.
[01:07:58]  He put that in quotes everywhere.
[01:08:00]  I think that that's also true.
[01:08:02]  Yeah, the universalizing tendency in Western peoples is, it cannot be overstated how much damage that has done, that there can be this tendency to say, well, I'm generally.
[01:08:11]  And Westerners and white people are like this.
[01:08:13]  I'm generally altruistic.
[01:08:14]  I'm generally welcoming, generally unassuming, generally non judgmental.
[01:08:19]  I think those are actually generally virtues in a homogenous society.
[01:08:22]  We take those and then say, and I think this of the entire world and all other people, I would expect to act in this way.
[01:08:28]  You universalize a particular, and that particular came about in a specific historical context of Christianity in Europe in a homogenous society.
[01:08:38]  But then you take that and you stretch it out and say, and everybody should be like this, and we'll be like this in this context.
[01:08:43]  That's nothing like.
[01:08:44]  The Middle Ages, where you just universalized a particular element and it's actually destructive.
[01:08:49]  I think that's a huge factor in getting especially white people to wake up and say, this actually is a good thing generally, but in particular, it's actually not the best that I'm the most welcoming and unassuming, that I would never have any type of prejudgment about someone else.
[01:09:03]  That's actually a liability.
[01:09:05]  Right.
[01:09:06]  The reality is, it all comes down to the final boss.
[01:09:08]  The final boss is the modern expressions of liberalism, 20th century liberalism, the heart of liberalism, the engine that makes it per.
[01:09:16]  Is egalitarianism and the West is completely vulnerable and has bought in hook, line, and sinker into egalitarianism.
[01:09:24]  When we look at the world, we just see interchangeable widgets.
[01:09:27]  We think that the blank slate fallacy, that it's simply a matter of education and being informed or being trained or being enlightened, or even the Christians.
[01:09:38]  We buy into the same thing.
[01:09:39]  We say, well, it just has to do with being converted.
[01:09:44]  And here's the reality the gospel absolutely changes people.
[01:09:47]  But even when it comes to the Christian conception of conversion, when a man is born again, he still, grace does not eradicate or do away with replaced nature.
[01:09:57]  Grace doesn't replace nature, it elevates nature.
[01:10:00]  So, when a man comes to Christ, and even when that's genuine regeneration, he's still a man.
[01:10:05]  When a woman comes to Christ, she's still a woman.
[01:10:07]  If a Haitian comes to Christ, they're still Haitian.
[01:10:09]  If an American comes to Christ, they're still American.
[01:10:11]  And some of these things, we think that there's just this blueprint in the Bible that's universal, that's global, that just you plug and play.
[01:10:19]  This will work in Haiti, this will work.
[01:10:21]  And the reality is that's just not true.
[01:10:22]  That's an oversimplification to say, you know, the Bible actually doesn't just get down to morality and as it pertains to legislation and laws.
[01:10:30]  But it even gets into forms of government.
[01:10:32]  And the Bible actually gives us an explicit one universal form of government that every single nation should adhere to because it's morally superior to all the other ones.
[01:10:42]  It's a pass or fail system, black or white.
[01:10:44]  And what is that form of government?
[01:10:46]  It's a constitutional republic.
[01:10:48]  I like constitutional republics.
[01:10:50]  I actually think that it is an ideal form of government.
[01:10:54]  But I'm able to recognize that constitutional republics don't hang in midair, that a constitutional republic Was built in America on the back of a thousand years of Christendom that was achieved predominantly through a very strong hand in cleaning up.
[01:11:10]  I mean, the streets, and I'm not seeing, I'm not, I'm being descriptive, not prescriptive here, but you have to remember in Europe, the streets under Christian monarchs were running with blood.
[01:11:21]  The guillotine, the guillotine was working overtime.
[01:11:24]  The degenerates of their society were being put to death on a daily basis.
[01:11:28]  And after a very long time of employing Christian laws.
[01:11:32]  Tough on crime policies.
[01:11:34]  There were people who were put into exile.
[01:11:36]  There were people who were put to death for this, for that, for the other.
[01:11:39]  After a thousand years of that, of sweeping up the nation, putting things in order, and cultivating a very, very Christian stock at that point, and here's the thing it wasn't even all of them.
[01:11:53]  And then Europe had a constitutional republic.
[01:11:56]  No, then the best of the best and the most, the people with the most religious convictions.
[01:12:03]  The pilgrims, the Puritans, the covenanters, a subset of England, after England had been shaped and formed by a thousand years of Christian monarchy, a subset of that, the best of the best, then came to America and said, You know what?
[01:12:20]  I don't think we need such a firm hand with the civil magistrate and ruling over us.
[01:12:25]  Men must not be governed.

=== Universal Law Over Feelings (06:37) ===

[01:12:27]  Oh, yeah, you're right.
[01:12:28]  Men didn't need to be governed in the 1600s in America.
[01:12:33]  With the best of the best having been shaped as the descendants of a thousand years of Christendom.
[01:12:38]  Those men actually required less governance.
[01:12:41]  But that's not where we are today.
[01:12:43]  And so, my point is in all of it is to say the idea of egalitarianism, that everyone is the same.
[01:12:50]  And because if everyone's the same, then it's formulaic.
[01:12:54]  All you have to do is find the right formula.
[01:12:57]  And if you found it, then you plug it in anywhere, right?
[01:13:00]  The formula, if this is the true holy grail formula for forms of government, for whatever, fill in the blank.
[01:13:06]  Then it should work.
[01:13:07]  It should work in Haiti, it should work in America, it should work in Greenland, it should work in the Sudan.
[01:13:12]  And what we're finding, and sadly, a lot of people still haven't put two and two together, connected the dots, and discovered this.
[01:13:21]  But if we're honest, what we should be finding, what we should be realizing is that's not the world that God actually made.
[01:13:27]  God did not create an egalitarian world.
[01:13:30]  Egalitarianism, again, being the engine of liberalism, especially 20th century liberalism, the latter expressions, liberalism being the final boss.
[01:13:38]  And so that ultimately has to be uprooted.
[01:13:41]  We have to find a way to restore an understanding of nature, natural law, natural affections, the order of morals, hierarchy, these kinds of things.
[01:13:50]  And what you're really doing in that.
[01:13:53]  Is you're not just advocating for what works because egalitarianism and liberalism doesn't work, so you're not just advocating for a worldview that works, but what you're also doing is you are defending the world as God actually made it.
[01:14:07]  It's a defense of the Creator and the Creator's design, and so you don't just have to prove it.
[01:14:13]  This is important because we don't want to just be right, we want to be compelling, we want to win.
[01:14:17]  Um, and in winning, you can't just prove that it's true, you have to prove that it's good, that the right thing is the good thing.
[01:14:25]  That the true thing is the thing that's also the good, the true, and the beautiful.
[01:14:30]  It can't just be proving the true.
[01:14:32]  Facts don't care about your feelings.
[01:14:34]  Well, you know what?
[01:14:34]  Feelings often don't care about the facts.
[01:14:37]  And so you actually have to appeal, right?
[01:14:39]  The passions and the pathos of the minister, of the preacher, of the Christian, of the apologist to actually appeal to the feelings, the emotions of a person and say, hey, here are the facts.
[01:14:49]  Oh, I see you're a libtard and don't care about them whatsoever.
[01:14:52]  Okay, but here are your feelings.
[01:14:54]  Let me show you how these facts are not only true, they're the true, the good.
[01:14:59]  And the beautiful.
[01:15:00]  We need to find a way to compel people to see that the world God made is not an egalitarian world.
[01:15:05]  It is a hierarchical world.
[01:15:07]  And hierarchy means distinction, and distinctions bring color and difference and beauty into the world.
[01:15:15]  That it's a positive thing.
[01:15:17]  And people must realize that until that's accomplished, we lose.
[01:15:21]  Yeah.
[01:15:21]  And I just want to, as a matter of history, too, on the idea of like exporting universal principles on this egalitarian basis, I think American leaders have kind of realized that that doesn't work.
[01:15:32]  And you can look at that happen solely.
[01:15:34]  Slowly in the 70s and 80s.
[01:15:35]  But I think of China.
[01:15:36]  China's a good example.
[01:15:37]  America opens trade with China.
[01:15:39]  And within 25 years, they're like the global power that we're now sort of fighting because there was no real basis outside of sort of economics.
[01:15:48]  And the lowest common denominator, you can think about it, think about the global balance of power.
[01:15:52]  And it's really like, I mean, we can reduce this a little bit and it is reductionist, but there's really only like three topics as sort of the lowest common denominator basis by which we partner with other nations.
[01:16:03]  It's like, hey, do you like money?
[01:16:04]  Do you want free trade?
[01:16:06]  Hey, what are your stances on Israel?
[01:16:08]  And there may be one or two others that are relevant.
[01:16:10]  How do you feel about child labor?
[01:16:15]  That's a good point, though.
[01:16:16]  The last one I think would also be like, and will you fly a trans flight?
[01:16:22]  Yeah, no, exactly.
[01:16:23]  And that really is what it comes down to because we can't actually agree with these nations on these deeper, sort of Christian biblical precepts, we've just basically reduced everything to four things.
[01:16:34]  And hey, if you're good with that, we'll partner with you.
[01:16:36]  We're happy to link arms.
[01:16:37]  And then it's like, lo and behold, we build up Al Qaeda and then we're fighting a war against them.
[01:16:41]  Lo and behold, we build up China and now we're in a trade war with them because we have no basis to actually, we have no Christian government.
[01:16:47]  We have no lens to actually look through and evaluate nations who want to partner with us and say, is this good?
[01:16:54]  Is this to the good of their nation and to the good of our nation?
[01:16:56]  There's no natural basis by which that's happening.
[01:16:59]  And this all, obviously, we can spiral into corruption and politics.
[01:17:03]  But you see the point being, this is why this experiment failed because this is fundamentally, as you said, Joel, not the way that God made the world.
[01:17:11]  Amen.
[01:17:11]  All right.
[01:17:11]  Big super chat.
[01:17:12]  Very generous, very kind from Deacon St. John.
[01:17:16]  We appreciate you.
[01:17:17]  Thank you.
[01:17:17]  This is a longtime supporter of the show.
[01:17:19]  Appreciate you very much.
[01:17:21]  He said, on the topic of nationalism, which culture should we look to for an example to emulate, modern or historical?
[01:17:29]  In modern times, I'm thinking about how the Amish structure their homes and economy.
[01:17:35]  They are clandestine, though, and not overtly conquering.
[01:17:46]  Yeah, so this kind of gets back.
[01:17:48]  Great question.
[01:17:48]  But it kind of gets back to what I was just saying a moment ago.
[01:17:52]  I think that.
[01:17:53]  Unfortunately, I just don't think it's that simple.
[01:17:55]  I don't think there is a universal.
[01:17:57]  It's not, again, I don't know why I'm giving these examples and dating myself today, but you remember the Game Genie back in the day?
[01:18:06]  This was with like NES, you know, the original Nintendo, and you could put it in where the cartridges would go, and then you would put the game inside of the Game Genie, and it would like basically break the code, and you'd be able to, you know, hack the game and have, you know, either infinite lives or, you know, this, that, and the other.
[01:18:25]  You could beat any game, you know, that there was.
[01:18:27]  With the game genie.
[01:18:28]  And did you plug that into your telegram or copper wire?
[01:18:31]  It was like a floppy disk, right?
[01:18:33]  Yeah.
[01:18:34]  Yeah.
[01:18:34]  I mean, it basically was at that point.
[01:18:36]  Yeah.
[01:18:37]  That's pretty much what it was.
[01:18:39]  So, anyways, the game genie was like this universal hack.
[01:18:44]  And I guess what I'm trying to say, what I was saying earlier about egalitarianism and the whole liberal sentiment, is that there's not a universal hack.
[01:18:52]  Now, there is a universal law.
[01:18:55]  We're not relativists.
[01:18:56]  We're Christians, after all.
[01:18:57]  So, we believe in the transcendent.
[01:18:59]  We do believe that there is an absolute.
[01:19:01]  God and therefore absolutes, absolute morals, and these kinds of things.

=== Rejecting Moral Relativism (05:10) ===

[01:19:05]  But what the Bible doesn't always spell out, and this is where biblicism fails, right?
[01:19:10]  This is part of what we were trying to get at in our debate that we recently had last week.
[01:19:14]  Where biblicism fails in the chapter and verse mentality is, you know, there is no chapter and verse that says, Thou shalt not drink water out of the toilet.
[01:19:22]  But we don't do it because we don't actually need an explicit, you know, biblical condemnation or prohibition.
[01:19:28]  We can just choose not to be retarded.
[01:19:29]  We can just choose to, you know, use rationale and reason and logic and nature and these kinds of things and say, I don't have to be stupid.
[01:19:37]  And so here's my point there are universal virtues, absolutes, laws, morality.
[01:19:43]  There is such a thing as absolute morality.
[01:19:46]  But the path in which that morality is attained, that's where I think that there is room for prudential wisdom.
[01:19:55]  Room for prudential wisdom.
[01:20:00]  How a nation, so just like a father in the home, you need to have the standard is the standard.
[01:20:07]  The standard is the standard.
[01:20:08]  You can't change the standard because it's set forward by God.
[01:20:10]  And so for me, I'm a father, I have five children, and I have the same moral, absolute standards for all five of my children be holy as he is holy.
[01:20:20]  We're going to seek to be Christ like.
[01:20:22]  And I'm not presenting a different Jesus for each of my children.
[01:20:25]  There's one Jesus, the true Jesus, and we want to be like him.
[01:20:28]  And he's the standard for all five of my children.
[01:20:31]  But how I hold their hand with each of these children and walk them to Jesus and walk them towards the standard and improve in that journey is different.
[01:20:40]  That's where it gets.
[01:20:41]  Tailored and customized and particular based on that child, their strengths, their weaknesses, their personality, their disposition, these kinds of things.
[01:20:50]  And nations are the same.
[01:20:52]  Civil magistrates, the Christian prince or Christian princes should be civil fathers.
[01:20:57]  The Puritans talked about this.
[01:20:58]  The reformers talked about this.
[01:21:00]  The Catholic divines and patristics talked about this.
[01:21:02]  It is a fatherly role.
[01:21:04]  And so, as a father with your citizens, civil father with citizens, so too a familial father in the home with his children.
[01:21:11]  The standard is the standard.
[01:21:13]  So, there is a blueprint.
[01:21:14]  In that regard, what we're trying to achieve, but the path to it is going to be customized.
[01:21:19]  There is no universal path.
[01:21:22]  The path for Haiti to become like Jesus in a civil realm, in the civil regard, is going to look different than the path for Pakistan or the path for Canada.
[01:21:36]  And that has to be acknowledged.
[01:21:38]  And that's because God made a world that isn't steamrolled into one, but rather has variants and distinctions.
[01:21:46]  And it has to be acknowledged.
[01:21:49]  And if it's not, then you are ultimately just working against the grain.
[01:21:56]  And it's simply not viable.
[01:21:58]  We got two Rumble super chats to go to.
[01:22:01]  But one last piece on that is this is where you get guys, they're always looking back to some period of history.
[01:22:06]  They become 1930s Germany's guys or the southern states in the Civil War.
[01:22:11]  And they pick this time period and think, well, they had the perfect solution and we've just got to do what they did.
[01:22:16]  Totally ignoring all the different historical factors that made that.
[01:22:20]  Successful, not successful, whatever it was in its context.
[01:22:24]  We can't LARP as any number of nationalist movements, counter revolutionaries.
[01:22:29]  We can't do that.
[01:22:30]  None of them lived in a world like we live in now with work visas and international travel.
[01:22:35]  We have to look forward and forge something new.
[01:22:37]  And that's a lot more difficult.
[01:22:38]  It's easy to throw the uniform on.
[01:22:40]  It's easy to wave the Confederate flag, sons of the old republic.
[01:22:44]  That's actually not that hard at all.
[01:22:45]  And you can kind of look cool.
[01:22:46]  It should be Puritan Maxing.
[01:22:47]  Yeah, Puritan Maxing.
[01:22:49]  Whatever.
[01:22:49]  Everybody has their thing.
[01:22:51]  It's the Amish, it's the Puritans, it's the Confederates, it's Weimar Germany or whatever.
[01:22:55]  And there's good things from each of those.
[01:22:56]  But I think what we're saying is timeless, timely, timeless, timely, right?
[01:23:00]  So timeless, the standard.
[01:23:02]  Timely, the path to achieving the standard.
[01:23:04]  Yeah.
[01:23:05]  That's the distinction.
[01:23:05]  And I would just say, I do think that is something that's worthy of calling out, which is it's a historical error.
[01:23:10]  And you notice it always happens to the, it's always attributed to sort of the loser of any major conflict.
[01:23:17]  It's like, well, if they would have won, because, and it's a historical hermeneutic by which you look at everything that happened after a single event and think that it was all causal.
[01:23:25]  That it was all deterministic.
[01:23:27]  That if the North won the Civil War, then we would get communism.
[01:23:31]  Like, as if those things are like you and the reality of history is it's not that simple.
[01:23:37]  You have to really, and I love the way you put it, Wes, you really have to.
[01:23:40]  It is incumbent upon us to do the work of looking back into history, grabbing the good ideas, synthesizing, seeing through all of the muck, seeing through the propaganda and the psyops to say, what's applicable for us?
[01:23:52]  What do we apply in prudence as Christians?
[01:23:56]  And that's a daunting thought.
[01:23:57]  I think it's the harder work that has to be done.
[01:23:59]  A lot of people.
[01:24:00]  I don't want to think that it's that hard, but it's a good thing.
[01:24:02]  Well, because it requires wisdom.
[01:24:03]  And I think in some ways, the chapter and verse biblicism is a way of somehow skating around the need for wisdom, right?
[01:24:12]  It's a lot easier if you just have a formula, right?

=== Reviewing Hyphenated Heresy (03:40) ===

[01:24:15]  You don't actually have to think.
[01:24:16]  You don't have to think.
[01:24:17]  The uniform's been made, the flag's been made, the book's been written.
[01:24:20]  A plus B plus, you know, like do it.
[01:24:22]  Plug, play, plug, play.
[01:24:24]  And it just doesn't work that way.
[01:24:25]  Like if the North had won the war, you know, in the Civil War, you know, or because they did, because the North won the war in the Civil War, We got communism.
[01:24:34]  It's like that's an oversimplification.
[01:24:37]  Now, if we said because the Bolsheviks won World War II, we got communism, that's true.
[01:24:42]  Directly, that's directly causal.
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[01:27:32]  And so we're not just going to offer this content somewhere else, but we're actually going to offer it for free.
[01:27:37]  The content is too important.
[01:27:39]  It needs to get out.
[01:27:39]  So make sure to go over to NXR members.nxrstudios.com.
[01:27:46]  And final, bottom of the ninth, one last thing.
[01:27:48]  Let me just add on the books.
[01:27:49]  If on Patreon you signed up to support us and we said we'd give you two free copies of the books, the books are here, they're getting signed.

=== Signed Books Arriving Next Week (02:45) ===

[01:27:55]  And they are going to be on the way to you early next week.
[01:27:57]  I'm looking at them.
[01:27:58]  Two copies.
[01:28:00]  That's right.
[01:28:00]  We had to wait for the books to come in.
[01:28:01]  They've come in.
[01:28:02]  We are in the process of signing them, and then we will be shipping them out next week.
[01:28:07]  So if you signed up for the gold tier on Patreon, it was $50.
[01:28:11]  And those of you who did, thank you for your generosity.
[01:28:14]  Part of the deal was you would get the Knicks series, but you'd also get two, not one, but two hardcover copies, just like this one, and being signed by both myself and Jordan Hall.
[01:28:24]  And so, yeah, we will be shipping those out.
[01:28:26]  They finally came to us.
[01:28:28]  So now we're signing them and we can mail them to you.
[01:28:30]  Next week, we'll be putting them in the mail.
[01:28:32]  And so you should be getting them probably end of next week, early week following.
[01:28:36]  So be on the lookout for that.
[01:28:38]  Here we go.
[01:28:39]  This is Brown Anglo Sax.
[01:28:42]  Brown Anglo Sax.
[01:28:43]  He gave us $10.
[01:28:44]  We appreciate that.
[01:28:45]  Thanks so much.
[01:28:46]  He said, Should the president govern by law rather than the pulpit, yet still have a pastor as a close advisor to offer moral counsel?
[01:28:58]  Truth and restraint without holding authority, how ought it to be?
[01:29:03]  So, yeah, pastors do not have, God has not afforded to pastors the divine right to bear the sword, a literal sword.
[01:29:13]  So we see in Romans chapter 13 that the sword has been given to the civil magistrate.
[01:29:16]  He is God's diaconate, diakonos.
[01:29:19]  He is a servant, a deacon of God.
[01:29:22]  He's God's avenger towards avenging the people and avenging God and his namesake itself against the wrongdoer.
[01:29:33]  And so the sword, a literal sword for Punitive punishment, not rehabilitation, but punitive punishment for those who do wicked, not just sinning, but sins which are crimes, that exclusive role and the sword, the tool to carry it out, justice, punitive justice, has been exclusively given to the civil magistrate.
[01:29:50]  It has not been given to families.
[01:29:53]  Families can self defend, but families cannot participate as vigilantes going and trying to stop people from doing crimes.
[01:29:59]  And it hasn't been given to pastors and clergy and churches.
[01:30:02]  So it's the civil magistrate has been given the sword.
[01:30:07]  And pastors, though, I think absolutely can have not formal but informal authority in the sense that they should absolutely be speaking to governors and kings and princes and calling them to repentance and obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ.
[01:30:23]  And a good king who fears the Lord, a good civil magistrate, will have an open ear to the clergy, those clergy that are faithful and that speak for God.
[01:30:33]  So that's it.
[01:30:34]  That's the day.
[01:30:35]  Thank you so much.
[01:30:35]  It's not just the day, it's the week.
[01:30:37]  We will see you, Lord willing, on Monday at 12 p.m. Eastern Time.
[01:30:40]  Thanks for tuning in.