NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Israel Used Palantir For Pagers Op; Propaganda Targets US Churches
Aired: 2025-12-12
Duration: 01:41:50


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[00:00:37]  As a quick rule of thumb, if somebody comes to you and offers you a free, sponsored, paid for trip to Israel, the proper response, the right response, some might say, is to simply tell them no.
[00:00:51]  We've just witnessed one of the largest paid, sponsored events for politicians, for congressmen.
[00:00:59]  All those things would be concerning in and of themselves, but it's exceptionally concerning when the target group is America's clergy.
[00:01:09]  It's a thousand pastors here in the United States shuttled off to Israel for a conference where they are being indoctrinated and trained and equipped with propaganda to take back because, well, because the propaganda recently over the last couple of years has been failing.
[00:01:28]  And it's not really a mystery why.
[00:01:31]  Sure, plenty of you, as myself personally, have been red pilled by reading some old forbidden books and looking at this and looking at that.
[00:01:40]  Figuring out a little bit of the history behind some of the events that have gone on over the course of the last 60, 70, 80 years.
[00:01:49]  But one of the big things for the average person that has caused them to have a negative view of Israel in these last two years I mean, when you look at different guys who are pro Zionist, pro Israel, and they say it's really concerning the last two years, the rise of anti Semitism, well, what could, you know, what new novel thing has occurred in the last two years that would maybe Be responsible for a rise of anti Semitism and not just for guys on 4chan,
[00:02:19]  but just the average American being a little less pro Israel than they were staunchly pro Israel for decades.
[00:02:27]  Well, what it is is that you're talking about a country that glassed Gaza, you're talking about a country that has killed thousands upon thousands of civilians and women and children.
[00:02:43]  That's why they have.
[00:02:45]  Such a negative image right now among, again, your basic normal American citizen.
[00:02:52]  So they need to do a little bit of PR, a little bit of public relations.
[00:02:58]  Israel, as a nation state, has realized that they've fallen out of favor for many Americans.
[00:03:05]  And although Israel has never been our greatest ally, we certainly have been theirs.
[00:03:10]  We support Israel in a way that no other country does.
[00:03:14]  Israel is not capable of standing on its Own two feet.
[00:03:18]  They wouldn't have had the country without Western intervention in the first place.
[00:03:23]  And although they say they're perfectly capable of standing on their own two feet, we keep giving them money.
[00:03:29]  That capability, it may be there.
[00:03:31]  Potentially, Israel can be self sustaining.
[00:03:35]  I'd love to just give that a try.
[00:03:37]  Could we see if they could do it without our tax dollars just for maybe one year, just for one season?
[00:03:43]  Just test it out, see how it goes.
[00:03:46]  Well, we never have.
[00:03:47]  And so Israel is working overtime.
[00:03:49]  To bolster their image among Americans.
[00:03:54]  But plenty of countries have done that.
[00:03:57]  Russia's done that, right?
[00:03:59]  China has done that.
[00:04:00]  There are plenty of countries that have sought to engage in foreign affairs with propaganda to try to change the general sentiment in relation to them that have tried to interfere with elections or this, that, and the other.
[00:04:14]  But what's unique right now, and you do need to feel this, this is not normal.
[00:04:20]  What's unique is that.
[00:04:21]  It wasn't just a thousand politicians or a thousand, you know, CEOs of American corporations.
[00:04:28]  All those would be concerning in and of themselves, but it was a thousand pastors.
[00:04:34]  Israel is hand selecting ministers of the gospel of Jesus Christ, bringing them into their country, all expenses paid, and then filling them up with a mission to come back to our country and spread pro Israel propaganda politically and culturally, but then also to spread false doctrine.
[00:04:59]  And it is false doctrine.
[00:05:02]  It actually does matter at a theological level, not just politically.
[00:05:06]  They are being trained and equipped by Israeli citizens and leaders of the civil affairs there, as well as some of our own civil leaders like Mike Huckabee on this trip, and not just telling them political talking points that they should regurgitate, but telling them theological talking points that are in direct contradiction to the word of God.
[00:05:31]  Mike Huckabee is instructing America's pastors.
[00:05:35]  Who appointed him?
[00:05:37]  As the head of a seminary?
[00:05:39]  Who appointed him in a position to give theological instruction over America's pastors that they'll then go and teach their congregants?
[00:05:49]  And for the record, these are not small churches, these are large churches that provide a sampling representative of evangelicalism in America as a whole.
[00:06:04]  It's worth adding that when you look at the list that's been Exposed of which churches and pastors were present at this event.
[00:06:13]  Two of the largest denominations, Protestant denominations, represented on this list with this trip for a thousand pastors in Israel were Calvary Chapel and Southern Baptist.
[00:06:25]  Calvary Chapel and Southern Baptist.

=== Palantir and Pager Attacks (15:16) ===

[00:06:28]  In addition to this, we're also going to spend a little bit of time discussing the recent expose that Palantir, led by CEO Alex Karp, Also, started in large part by Peter Thiel, that this was the tech behind just back in September of 2024, the major event that everyone saw on the news, where all of a sudden you had pagers exploding,
[00:06:57]  you had people missing limbs, you had people's eyes gouged out.
[00:07:02]  Some of these people were bad people, some of them were not, some of them were civilians.
[00:07:09]  And come to find out, the tech behind it is again.
[00:07:12]  American companies.
[00:07:14]  It's American CEOs, America tech that's being handed over to Israel to pull off a widely criticized, and I think for good reason, widely criticized war tactic that involved civilians.
[00:07:31]  And this tech, the last thing I'll say before we hop into the show, it's worth noting that this tech has now its tentacles well raveled within.
[00:07:44]  The American government.
[00:07:46]  This tech from Palantir, facial recognition software, all these different things, drone capability, AI being able to curate lists in a matter of seconds of who's a dangerous citizen that maybe needs a few eyes on them.
[00:08:04]  This tech is not just in Israel blowing up pagers of their enemies, but this tech is in the United States government through Doge.
[00:08:16]  Because of Elon Musk, although I think he did some good, but because of his presence and involvement with Doge and Peter Thiel and his connections to Musk, Palantir has inserted itself the hardware or software, I should say, has been able to, as far as we know, we don't know exactly what intel they have, but we know they had the opportunity.
[00:08:38]  Through Doge to curate files on you, not just Hezbollah, not just some terrorist in the Middle East, but American citizens, you, me.
[00:08:51]  These things are worth looking into.
[00:08:56]  We don't want to be hyperbolic and we don't want to be like Chicken Little running around saying that the sky is falling.
[00:09:03]  We don't want to be doom scrolling constantly.
[00:09:06]  We don't want to be black pilled.
[00:09:07]  We trust in Jesus, but we also don't want to be naive.
[00:09:11]  We don't want to be foolish.
[00:09:12]  We want to be innocent as doves, but shrewd, wise as serpents, as the scripture commands us.
[00:09:18]  These are things that American citizens and especially Christians should be aware of.
[00:09:24]  Your government has the technology, and the opportunity has already come and gone for private corporations within your nation to have very intricate files on your social media, the things that you post, the views that you hold.
[00:09:41]  And it's one thing if you were an objective danger.
[00:09:45]  To the public.
[00:09:46]  It's another, though, if there are lists being curated and eyes watching simply because you, like many Americans, aren't very fond of Israel these days.
[00:09:59]  That's crazy.
[00:10:00]  That is absolutely crazy that a foreign nation is training pastors in our country to teach false doctrine and promote political propaganda for foreign interests.
[00:10:14]  It is crazy that a private corporation Has had access into our government and the government's infrastructure to build files on free American citizens.
[00:10:27]  These are the things that we'll discuss in today's episode.
[00:10:30]  Tune in now.
[00:10:40]  All right.
[00:10:41]  I feel bad for people listening to this episode and not getting a glimpse of these awesome Christmas sweaters.
[00:10:46]  Don't you feel bad?
[00:10:47]  This eggnog, the tree, the Christmas sweaters, it's a whole package.
[00:10:51]  Yeah.
[00:10:51]  If you're listening on Apple or Spotify after the fact and you did not have the distinct privilege of watching the video, then you really are missing.
[00:10:59]  I'd say, I think we'll have some good content.
[00:11:02]  I don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot, but I would say if you're not watching and seeing the Christmas sweaters and the eggnog and the Christmas tree, you're missing maybe 95, 96.
[00:11:11]  Percent of the experience.
[00:11:12]  You're missing the whole reason to watch, honestly.
[00:11:14]  I feel like that's kind of the show at this point.
[00:11:17]  No, I think we have some good content, but the sweaters are really, I think, they're carrying the lion's share of weight on this episode.
[00:11:24]  And the tree, and the tree.
[00:11:26]  We'll have Antonio back on Monday.
[00:11:27]  That's exciting.
[00:11:28]  So this tree, we'll fit it somewhere, right?
[00:11:30]  It might be here, it might be back there, but we also have Antonio coming back on Monday.
[00:11:34]  That'll be good.
[00:11:34]  And I think for good, we'll have some more details on Monday.
[00:11:37]  We've got coming up.
[00:11:38]  Won't say much more than that.
[00:11:39]  Monday is going to be a big episode.
[00:11:41]  We're, You know, we don't want to clear the calendar now.
[00:11:43]  Let's put it that way.
[00:11:43]  We don't want to give anything away, but this Monday, which will be what, the 15th, December 15th, this Monday, 3 p.m. Central Time, we're going to give a full update.
[00:11:55]  We may not give every little specific, but a full update on our vision for 2026 and everything that's going to be rolling out and giving you guys an understanding, a view of the future of right response.
[00:12:09]  And maybe a second view of these sweaters.
[00:12:11]  Let's jump into Palantir.
[00:12:12]  We did an episode, this would have been in the summer.
[00:12:14]  We talked about JD Vance and his.
[00:12:15]  Connections to Palantir.
[00:12:17]  And I think we were very careful in that episode to say nothing that we're necessarily saying could happen is something that is for sure going to happen.
[00:12:24]  We can't prove any type of secret conspiracy, secret coup.
[00:12:26]  But what we are saying, and I know the word concerned gets overused, but what we are saying is it's concerning that public private partnerships, so the United States government contracting with private contractors.
[00:12:38]  Now, private contractors are not bound by the same rules that government entities are.
[00:12:42]  You think of a freedom of information request.
[00:12:44]  You can request the federal government, hey, I'm a citizen and I deserve to have access to information the government has on me.
[00:12:50]  You could request that of the FBI.
[00:12:52]  Do you have something, information related to me?
[00:12:55]  And by law, you have to disclose it.
[00:12:57]  That's the government side of things.
[00:12:59]  But public private partnerships, government with private corporations opens up a much bigger world.
[00:13:05]  And again, we didn't say this is what's happening, but you can imagine a world, for example, where an analytics company had cataloged everything that you posted online.
[00:13:12]  So it's not just pulling the bad things you've maybe said, but it's pulling old Facebook photos.
[00:13:16]  And it can put together an entire comprehensive package of who you are.
[00:13:20]  Now, using big data, using the power of analytics and AI, you could create a list of people that are risks.
[00:13:26]  They're risks for this type of information.
[00:13:28]  They're risks to maybe be job hunters.
[00:13:30]  And a private company like Palantir, in this instance, could partner with a LinkedIn.
[00:13:34]  And without you even knowing it, without the government being involved, your speech is not being censured, you could find it very, very difficult to get a job because a data company out there somewhere crunched the numbers and they said, yeah, actually, this guy has a 45% chance of staying less than a year at your work.
[00:13:50]  This guy has a 25% chance of saying inflammatory things online.
[00:13:53]  And you could, without even knowing it, without even understanding what's happening, I'm putting in these resumes, I'm qualified for these jobs.
[00:14:00]  You could be shut out of a housing market.
[00:14:02]  You could be shut out if you had some type of social credit scores you've seen in China.
[00:14:05]  You could be shut out of the ability to get credit to buy a home.
[00:14:08]  So, private partnerships with the government, partnerships with other groups, they're a huge problem.
[00:14:14]  And the most nefarious part about it, you wouldn't necessarily be able to see it.
[00:14:18]  Again, you would say, man, I'm not getting jobs.
[00:14:20]  I'm not getting hired.
[00:14:22]  People aren't willing to spend time around me.
[00:14:24]  What could this be from?
[00:14:25]  You have no idea.
[00:14:26]  What it's from.
[00:14:27]  And so we talked about that six months ago.
[00:14:29]  And I feel like this is a theme that is going to keep coming up.
[00:14:32]  And we're going to keep talking about the risk of the surveillance state.
[00:14:34]  We've got some content coming out next year on it.
[00:14:37]  But it's worth at the end of the year reminding you that one of the biggest, and I mean, as a publicly traded company, one of the fastest growing companies is this company, Palantir.
[00:14:46]  Palantir was founded as an offshoot from the CIA's venture capital fund.
[00:14:50]  I believe Inqtech is the name.
[00:14:51]  And it was founded in the early 2000s.
[00:14:52]  So this is the first time.
[00:14:53]  Named after Lord of the Rings, the all seeing stone.
[00:14:57]  The all seeing eye that would allow you to see what's going on in other parts of the world.
[00:15:01]  It's spyware.
[00:15:02]  Yep, precisely.
[00:15:04]  So it's been in use now for, it would be coming up on.
[00:15:06]  Two and a half decades.
[00:15:07]  This is not a company that started yesterday.
[00:15:09]  They've got some talent and they're a little bit exciting.
[00:15:12]  Huge company.
[00:15:13]  Two and a half decades worth of very secretive private contracts with the FBI and the CIA, and also contracts with the government that we know about, private corporations.
[00:15:23]  It's huge, is the point.
[00:15:25]  And a lot of us have concerns about Palantir, about its leadership, about the individuals involved, about what it's doing, precisely because of stories like this.
[00:15:34]  So a new book came out.
[00:15:36]  It's a biography of the CEO of Palantir, Alex Karp.
[00:15:40]  Alex Karp is a Jewish revolutionary, very eccentric guy.
[00:15:45]  It was kind of funny this week, actually.
[00:15:46]  He talked about how young men or white men have been disadvantaged in the hiring process, that they've been discriminated against.
[00:15:52]  Which is true.
[00:15:53]  Not sure we're fully back.
[00:15:54]  Not sure he's our guy quite yet.
[00:15:56]  But he's one of those guys, you know, when he misses, he misses.
[00:15:58]  And when he's on it, he's on it.
[00:15:59]  A while ago in a deleted tweet, he said, you know, my biggest fear is that Christian nationalists are going to rise to power and they're going to throw me out of a window.
[00:16:07]  So he sees white men being discriminated against, but very much so in other respects.
[00:16:13]  He's not our guy.
[00:16:14]  And in that biography, it's been revealed new information that wasn't previously known before.
[00:16:20]  You alluded to it in the Cold Open last year, a little over a year ago.
[00:16:23]  Israel's intelligence side, Mossad, carried out a pretty impressive attack.
[00:16:27]  It's honestly one of the most impressive attacks we've seen in the modern world as far as targeted, surgical, precise attacks go, as just taking out what it is that you want to take out with minimal risk to troops.
[00:16:38]  I mean, there's nobody on the ground.
[00:16:39]  This is not, well, these guys infiltrated and we risked one of our teams and they could have been found or they could have been caught.
[00:16:45]  No, they carried it out completely remotely.
[00:16:47]  It was the detonation remotely of a couple thousand pagers and then a second follow on attack via walkie talkies.
[00:16:53]  And the attack, as you alluded to, it killed 12 high ranking Hezbollah agents, but it also injured, let me see here, killed 12 people, including two children and two healthcare workers, and injured 2,800.
[00:17:06]  And as you alluded to, the United Nations at the times of the attack noted that the attacks constitute war crimes of murder, attacking civilians, and launching indiscriminate attacks, in addition to violating the right to life.
[00:17:18]  Adding that around 500 people suffered severe eye injuries, including a diplomat.
[00:17:22]  So, this is just a civil diplomat, someone who has a mission to carry out diplomatic relations.
[00:17:27]  This was in Lebanon.
[00:17:29]  Severe eye injuries.
[00:17:30]  Others suffered grave injuries to their faces, hands, and bodies.
[00:17:33]  And that it is also a war crime to commit violence intended to spread terror among civilians, including to imitate or deter them from supporting an adversary.
[00:17:42]  A climate of fear now pervades everyday life in Lebanon.
[00:17:46]  This is from the dissident sub stack revealed Israel used Palantir technologies.
[00:17:50]  And pager terrorist attack in Lebanon.
[00:17:52]  So, what we now know is that this software that we have a lot of concern about here in the US, that its use overseas is not just limited to, hey, we went ahead and gathered some data and that data was somewhat helpful.
[00:18:04]  In Palestine, they've confirmed they've used Palantir to generate kill lists.
[00:18:08]  A kill list is you generate, you take all the data you have on someone through surveillance, through whatever other means you have, you take it and you say, hey, 89% probability this guy is a bad guy.
[00:18:18]  This guy is likely to be violent.
[00:18:19]  This guy is likely to be involved in operations.
[00:18:21]  And when you get above a certain threshold, An arbitrary private company can decide we're going to take you out with a drone strike.
[00:18:28]  Think about that.
[00:18:29]  Your life reduced to, I think of minority report statistics, all the data that they can have on you combed through.
[00:18:37]  We'll give this one a 92% chance.
[00:18:39]  He's a terrorist.
[00:18:40]  This one's a 70% chance.
[00:18:42]  All without your knowledge.
[00:18:43]  If that's how it's being used in the Middle East right now, as we can confirm, used in surgical intel operations like in Lebanon, used in Israel, generate kill lists for Palestinian civilians.
[00:18:54]  The point is, and then over here, we've taken it, one of the problems in the government.
[00:18:59]  Is called information siloing.
[00:19:01]  You think of the Department of Human Health and Services and then the IRS.
[00:19:04]  There's a bunch of different departments.
[00:19:06]  Now, all these departments will have a set of data on you, some of it redundant, some of it not.
[00:19:11]  But you can imagine the efficiencies if you could take all of that data and have a central ledger.
[00:19:15]  So it's this person and attached to them.
[00:19:17]  I have all the data I would need for health and human services.
[00:19:19]  I have all the data I would need for tax purposes.
[00:19:21]  I have all the data I would need for this, for that, and the other.
[00:19:24]  It's all in one central spot.
[00:19:26]  Well, Doge came in and said, hey, we're here to create efficiency among the government.
[00:19:29]  To end this information siloing, we all have to have duplicate copies of information and it's incomplete.
[00:19:35]  We don't have all of it.
[00:19:36]  We don't know who this person is.
[00:19:37]  Well, as best we can tell, we don't have anything publicly confirmed, but there's been a number of different leaks.
[00:19:41]  They use Palantir software to do it.
[00:19:44]  And so, best case scenario, they have your data, but they're not using it nefariously.
[00:19:48]  They have the amount of taxes that you paid.
[00:19:50]  They have, if you reported to, for example, a survey to the CDC, I got called about this.
[00:19:56]  The CDC calls people up and it surveys them about their vaccination for their children.
[00:20:00]  Now, it's not a bad thing.
[00:20:01]  It's not, we're calling to make sure you vaccinate your kids.
[00:20:04]  But that's now a piece of data owned by this company or owned by this department of the government.
[00:20:09]  And you begin to piece those pieces together, you actually have a pretty powerful system for identifying people who would be a threat to your government, people who wouldn't be.
[00:20:19]  And that's what we're getting at.
[00:20:20]  Okay, there are operations in the Middle East, but you're telling me that same company theoretically now has the data on tens and hundreds of millions of Americans and the people that are the head of that company?
[00:20:31]  I mean, one is an eccentric homosexual man.
[00:20:34]  Peter Thiel, who's obsessed with the Antichrist, who, when asked about it, should humanity survive or continue?
[00:20:40]  He had a tough time.
[00:20:41]  It was like 45 seconds of, like, wow.
[00:20:45]  And some of that is a little bit of how he's not a very clear speaker, I don't think.
[00:20:50]  The other speaker.
[00:20:50]  He's a clear sweater.
[00:20:52]  He's a clear sweater.
[00:20:53]  I've never seen Peter Thiel not sweating in an interview.
[00:20:57]  He's in a t shirt and he's just like, man, it's hot in here.
[00:21:00]  Like, my brother in Christ, you are in a cotton t shirt.
[00:21:02]  You should be fine.
[00:21:03]  Yeah.
[00:21:04]  But.
[00:21:04]  The people involved in those corporations.
[00:21:06]  You said my brother in Christ.
[00:21:08]  Oh, he does claim to be an evangelical Christian.
[00:21:11]  He's a sodomite.
[00:21:14]  What are you going to do?
[00:21:15]  I have one more thing on here.
[00:21:17]  But when it comes to Israel, very close ties.
[00:21:21]  So you have Peter Thiel, you have Alex Karp, again, the guy who says, My greatest fear, Christian nationalist, rise to power.
[00:21:26]  They take me out.
[00:21:27]  I'm on the receiving end of it.
[00:21:29]  A company with very close ties to Israel.
[00:21:31]  At one point, they were working so intensely with the government, they had opened up a second office in Tel Aviv.
[00:21:36]  When after the October 7th attack, Palantir.
[00:21:39]  Took out a full page ad, We Stand With Israel, and offered partnerships or internships for only Jewish students.

=== Thiel's Christian Nationalist Fears (07:45) ===

[00:21:45]  And it is absolutely worth saying and causing a ruckus and chimping out and about and saying, What does this company do?
[00:21:52]  What data do they have?
[00:21:53]  What do they plan to do with it?
[00:21:55]  Who is oversight of them?
[00:21:57]  Who are they accountable to?
[00:21:59]  They are a private company, theoretically, because they are publicly traded.
[00:22:01]  They are accountable to shareholders.
[00:22:03]  But what does that even mean?
[00:22:06]  You have, theoretically, a company with all of your information, no guardrails, no restrictions, and Lest we forget, Peter Thiel made JD Vance who he is.
[00:22:16]  Now, it's not a sin, it's not immoral for a man who aspires to be a politician to be supported by people who believe in him.
[00:22:23]  Personally, if a longtime mentor came to me and said, I believe in you for US Senate and I want to put $15 million behind you, depending on who that man was, I'm not going to lie, I would probably say yes.
[00:22:34]  Most people would.
[00:22:35]  So we're not bemoaning that JD Vance networked, worked with people, took donations, became a senator, quickly selected to vice president.
[00:22:43]  But because of that, because of the IOUs that is just inherent to human nature, Palantir also, not just their contracts that they have, the things they do for the government, pretty much a direct line we can assume to the White House.
[00:22:55]  Because at the end of the day, Peter Thiel made him who he is.
[00:22:59]  JD Vance doesn't, just to be honest about it, he doesn't have a long track record of accomplishments.
[00:23:04]  He didn't start a venture capital fund that was successful.
[00:23:07]  The venture capital fund he actually started went under in just a couple of years.
[00:23:11]  He worked at a VC firm that nobody ever saw him at, part of a failed venture capital firm, wrote a book, probably ghostwritten, got $15 million, and he's a senator.
[00:23:23]  So he was made by someone else.
[00:23:25]  And that someone else is directly tied to this company.
[00:23:28]  That now has, for all intents and purposes, a direct line to the White House.
[00:23:33]  That's what we're saying.
[00:23:34]  We're not drawing the exact conclusion, and they're for sure going to use it to kill US citizens.
[00:23:39]  We don't do this.
[00:23:40]  Yeah, we don't know.
[00:23:40]  But they could.
[00:23:42]  Yeah, it's just we don't really want private companies having that much power.
[00:23:47]  And the government can just wash its hands, right?
[00:23:49]  Like that's what Pilate tried to do, right?
[00:23:51]  He was a governing official at the time, and he's like attempted to wash his hands of the guilt, you know, the blood of Christ.
[00:23:59]  But at the end of the day, well, it doesn't really work.
[00:24:03]  Pilate is responsible under God, and many other people were responsible as well for the death of Jesus.
[00:24:11]  But the government today tries to kind of do the same thing.
[00:24:14]  They're able to say, well, you know, it's not legislation, it wasn't official government policy.
[00:24:23]  We didn't round up this private citizen and put them in jail or make it to where this private citizen couldn't work.
[00:24:30]  Yeah, but what you did was you gave access to a private company that doesn't have the stipulations that the government has, and you gave them access to your databases.
[00:24:42]  And then they, on their own, and the government can say, you know, eat and weep, wipe its mouth, and say, I have done no wrong, like the proverbs say.
[00:24:51]  And then Palantir has all this information now, and Palantir can exactly what you said they could partner with LinkedIn, or they could partner with this, or partner with that, and make it impossible for you to work.
[00:25:02]  And, you know, Allegedly, no constitution, you know, no constitutional rights have been broken.
[00:25:10]  It's all just, you know, the free market, free enterprise, private companies that just so happen to do the bidding of your government or a foreign government like Israel.
[00:25:21]  And they're willing to do it for free, or at least allegedly.
[00:25:25]  Alex Karp, at one point, this was a couple of years ago, he bragged about stopping the rise of the far right in Europe.
[00:25:31]  We don't know how that happened, but think about that.
[00:25:34]  Hey, there's no right wing movement in Europe right now, there really isn't.
[00:25:38]  There's a guy out there with an analytics company claiming, we're the ones who helped stop the rise of that.
[00:25:43]  I think of low level assassinations.
[00:25:46]  Those are extremely powerful.
[00:25:47]  I mean, even Charlie Kirk, we're going to see what happens, what comes of it.
[00:25:51]  Assassination is a powerful tool.
[00:25:53]  Matt Walsh, he was just on Tucker Carlson.
[00:25:55]  He said, well, kind of early on, there's this idea like you strike down Charlie Kirk and there will be a million more Charlies.
[00:26:00]  No, actually, we just lost Charlie.
[00:26:02]  Like that's how assassination works.
[00:26:04]  Great men drive history.
[00:26:06]  But imagine if you could, with a lot of accuracy, We think this person's going to be a problem.
[00:26:11]  We think he's resonating with the people.
[00:26:13]  It's no exaggeration to say that Trump's ascendancy and rise in 2024 probably predicated by the free speech that was possible on X the year prior.
[00:26:22]  So, a little bit of free speech opened up a whole world of possibilities.
[00:26:26]  Right.
[00:26:26]  But then, if you come back in, I think of the nonprofit NCRI, National Contagion Research Institute.
[00:26:32]  But then these nonprofits come in, they say, hey, there's a concerning group of people and they need to be siloed and we need to be able to identify them.
[00:26:37]  They need to be tagged on social media so their accounts are de boosted.
[00:26:41]  Like an algorithm alone can kill a huge message.
[00:26:44]  You could have a message that resonates with tons of people, but they never see it.
[00:26:48]  Right.
[00:26:48]  Well, why?
[00:26:49]  Because the government came in and censored your speech.
[00:26:51]  Nope.
[00:26:52]  A private company decided that's what they wanted to do.
[00:26:54]  Right.
[00:26:54]  It's like, oh, well, it's just competing in the free marketplace of ideas.
[00:26:58]  No, it's not fair competition.
[00:27:01]  It's not because the deck has been rigged.
[00:27:05]  You know, even in the case of TikTok, we've seen, I don't know about our listeners, but I've noticed a tangible difference and suppression of my impressions that I'm getting on the account that I run.
[00:27:22]  And I can't help but think.
[00:27:25]  Not on TikTok, to be clear.
[00:27:26]  You started saying TikTok.
[00:27:27]  But just to be clear, you're saying on X. On X, Twitter.
[00:27:30]  Yeah, X.
[00:27:31]  And so I look at, like, okay, it seems like the algorithm is suppressing my account and other accounts that share my views.
[00:27:39]  Well, you know, this happened about two weeks ago.
[00:27:43]  Is there any other kind of news that came out?
[00:27:45]  Anything?
[00:27:45]  Oh, well, you know, Netanyahu talked about, you know, how they took TikTok and how they're going to try to eventually take X.
[00:27:55]  And you see Larry Ellison and Oracle and, you know, purchasing TikTok.
[00:28:00]  And it's like, Well, we can't let China have it.
[00:28:03]  Yeah, but now it's just a handful of billionaire Jewish people who are pro Israel and not really necessarily pro America.
[00:28:13]  Right.
[00:28:14]  How is that an improvement?
[00:28:17]  And Netanyahu specifically said, we're coming for X next.
[00:28:21]  And Elon still owns the platform.
[00:28:24]  But even with him owning it and it not being directly owned by someone like Larry Ellison, there's still a mass amount of pressure that can be placed on.
[00:28:36]  X and on Elon from advertisers, right?
[00:28:39]  It can't just go belly up.
[00:28:40]  It has to be profitable.
[00:28:42]  And all that requires is a few influential Fortune 500 companies to say, we will no longer advertise on X if you don't crack down on this specific content.
[00:28:54]  And then lo and behold, oh, we get an algorithm change.
[00:28:59]  And oh, which accounts is it suppressing?
[00:29:02]  Oh, the ones that were critical of Israel.
[00:29:06]  An ex Mossad chief, this was back in October, he's behind the ICJ blackmail campaign.
[00:29:11]  He bragged Israel has installed a global sabotage network.
[00:29:14]  You think of what happened to Hezbollah and Lebanon.
[00:29:17]  Ex Mossad guys are out there bragging, oh, we have that globally installed here, installed there, the ability to be turned on in this place.
[00:29:25]  Israel's intelligence, part of that because they have to survive surrounded by Muslim countries that hate them.

=== Algorithm Suppression Tactics (14:45) ===

[00:29:30]  We've talked about why that might be in the past, but regardless of why, they're surrounded by a number of different countries that hate their guts.
[00:29:36]  And so they developed one of the most incredible intelligence operations in the world.
[00:29:40]  I mean, Jeffrey Epstein, there's like 95,000 photos that were just released today.
[00:29:44]  And the big question on everyone's mind is was he an asset for this government that has its tentacles everywhere?
[00:29:51]  And it's very possible one of the biggest tentacles they have, and it's housed right here with access to all your information, is a teensy tiny analytics and data company called Palantir.
[00:30:04]  Yep.
[00:30:04]  All right.
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[00:32:11]  Countries that operate in the United States are required to disclose their activities according to something called FARA, the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
[00:32:19]  So if you were, for example, I don't know, even know, El Salvador, Mexico, and you wanted to.
[00:32:25]  Create a positive public impression of your president.
[00:32:28]  You couldn't just go in, spend money, and begin running ads on cable television.
[00:32:31]  You'd have to disclose, you could do it, but you have to come out and say, hey, I'm coming in.
[00:32:36]  I want to improve the perception of the president with, I don't even know, Mexican Americans in California.
[00:32:42]  And this is what I'm going to be doing.
[00:32:43]  This is where I'm going to be doing it.
[00:32:45]  And this is how I'm going to be doing it.
[00:32:47]  Called FARA, the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
[00:32:49]  Now, a lot of people bemoan APAC, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, because APAC is not registered under FARA.
[00:32:56]  That's because APAC is actually.
[00:32:58]  For better or worse, it's homegrown.
[00:33:00]  It is not the Israeli government through AIPAC, but it's actually mostly American Jews advocating on behalf of a strong relationship between America and Israel.
[00:33:08]  So, just because Americans that may not have been born in America would make them not Americans, but you get what I'm saying.
[00:33:14]  People that live in America that may belong to another nationality, if they are citizens here, they're allowed to advocate for other countries.
[00:33:21]  But if a foreign country comes in and they spend money, they have to disclose to the federal government hey, we're coming in, we're doing this, this is why we're doing it, and this is the purpose for it.
[00:33:32]  In a foreign registration, in a FARA form filed in September of this year, September 27th, at the end of the month, a new California based LLC, Show Faith by Works, Show Faith by Works LLC, filed a registration for a campaign here in the United States.
[00:33:49]  Now, a couple different groups have talked about this.
[00:33:51]  I think we just had other news at the time.
[00:33:53]  So we're kind of circling back to something that's been in the air for two months.
[00:33:56]  There's a new update on it.
[00:33:57]  But for the last two months, people have been rightly concerned, rightly alarmed, that the Israeli government, through the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, working through this U.A. California based LLC, Show Faith by Works, has been carrying out a targeted campaign of propaganda.
[00:34:13]  That's essentially what you could call it.
[00:34:14]  It is what it is targeted campaign of propaganda towards Christian churches for a positive perception of Israel in America.
[00:34:22]  Nathan, you can show the screenshot here on the screen.
[00:34:24]  This is the FARA filing itself.
[00:34:27]  And if you go down and you read what it is that they're going to do, I realize it's a little bit small text to read, but specifically when you look at their mission.
[00:34:36]  So, them saying, This is what we're going to carry out.
[00:34:39]  This is their mission statement.
[00:34:41]  Here's what we're going to do.
[00:34:41]  We filed this form.
[00:34:42]  We're a foreign government acting on behalf of our interests.
[00:34:46]  What are we going to do?
[00:34:47]  Christian outreach through various grassroots and digital targeting of Christians in the Western U.S.
[00:34:52]  We will create a mobile museum to display at churches, Christian colleges, distribute pro Israel information online and through targeted and Christian events.
[00:35:00]  We will target and geofencing digital online tools.
[00:35:04]  We will have teams of people reaching out to churches and pastors and possibly even Christian social media influencers.
[00:35:10]  Can we pull that quote up on the screen?
[00:35:16]  Yeah, it's a little glitchy on my iPad as well.
[00:35:19]  All right.
[00:35:19]  It's from the filing.
[00:35:20]  This is their explicit mission.
[00:35:22]  So, this is a US based LLC on behalf of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
[00:35:27]  That's an official government organization.
[00:35:29]  That's not just one guy who started an LLC in Tel Aviv.
[00:35:33]  He decided to do a little bit of homegrown propaganda.
[00:35:36]  Create a mobile museum to display at churches in America and Christian colleges.
[00:35:43]  Distribute pro Israel information online and through targeted and Christian events like conferences.
[00:35:51]  Or, like TPUSA.
[00:35:53]  We will target and geofence and digital online tools.
[00:36:00]  That's not a typo, that's just their writing.
[00:36:01]  It's that bad writing.
[00:36:03]  We will have teams of people reaching out to churches and pastors and possibly even Christian social media influencers.
[00:36:12]  So, they're going to be propagandizing your pastor, your church, the social media, Christian social media influencer that you follow.
[00:36:21]  Setting up mobile museums to display at churches and Christian colleges pro Israel information online through targeted measures at Christian events and conferences.
[00:36:36]  That's a big deal.
[00:36:39]  And they have the funding for it because they're funded by a foreign government.
[00:36:43]  So Israel's GDP, I just looked it up, is like $600 billion.
[00:36:46]  You can imagine a proportion of that in your tax revenue.
[00:36:49]  That's essentially available to a foreign government to come in and say, We know who our biggest supporters are, we know we're losing some of them.
[00:36:56]  And we're going to go in and get them.
[00:36:57]  And what's even more nefarious is in this filing, you have to also state the location that you're going to be doing these acts on behalf of a foreign agency.
[00:37:06]  There's a church list of 1,000 churches here in the United States, ranked by state, ranked by the town they're in, ranked by the size.
[00:37:13]  My iPad's not loading it up.
[00:37:15]  But there are over 1,000 churches here in the US.
[00:37:18]  Oh, there it is.
[00:37:18]  You can see the list.
[00:37:20]  5,000 people here, 3,000 people here, 20,000 people attend this church.
[00:37:24]  And these are the churches that they're doing something called geofencing.
[00:37:26]  So, geofencing is imagine I was to go to a barbecue convention.
[00:37:30]  Yeah, real quick, these thousand churches, if you don't think that it's a big deal, oh, only a thousand.
[00:37:36]  If you read the numbers, and it's been leaked, the average number of the congregants of each of these churches, the average is well over a thousand, even if it was a thousand flat, right?
[00:37:47]  A thousand times a thousand.
[00:37:47]  The page I'm looking at here is a million.
[00:37:49]  Mostly two to four.
[00:37:50]  This looks more like, yeah, so this is more like two to four million.
[00:37:57]  And so, you're talking about 1% of the.
[00:38:01]  American population at that point being influenced by a foreign government.
[00:38:09]  And like I said in the cold open, because I don't want this point to be lost, I am not happy by any stretch of the imagination, just at a political level, of the nation state of Israel influencing Americans in my country for their good instead of our own nation's good.
[00:38:29]  But I am even more concerned as a Christian man and as a pastor about the indoctrination of all these Christian influencers and Christian pastors and Christian politicians who will then go.
[00:38:44]  And espouse false doctrine.
[00:38:46]  It's not what the Bible teaches.
[00:38:49]  Dispensationalism is false doctrine.
[00:38:52]  It is not biblical doctrine.
[00:38:54]  This idea that Christians today, in the year of our Lord 2025, on the other side of the planet here in America, have a spiritual, moral, biblical obligation to make sure that those of Jewish ethnicity, whatever that means, have land rights on the other side of the planet.
[00:39:19]  That's not what the Bible teaches.
[00:39:21]  And it's pretty nefarious how they go about it.
[00:39:23]  So you can imagine a mobile museum.
[00:39:25]  So let's say that would be a Jerusalem, or what actually a lot of times they'll do on different tours.
[00:39:29]  So if someone with the Herzl Institute, for instance, is bringing Christians on a tour, but they themselves are not necessarily Christians, is they'll still take Christians to the holy sites.
[00:39:38]  So you could say, well, the tomb of Christ or Calvary or the garden, at least the locations that we think they were.
[00:39:45]  They themselves will not be Christians.
[00:39:46]  Yoram Hazoni is an Orthodox Jew.
[00:39:48]  Right.
[00:39:48]  But they'll show Christians.
[00:39:50]  Christians, things they want to see.
[00:39:52]  I just got in a Twitter beef with Stephen Wolfe.
[00:39:57]  I dipped my toes in just a little bit.
[00:40:01]  Dabble in some Twitter beef.
[00:40:02]  Essentially, the summary of it was he was saying that Jews and Christians are inextricably bound to one another and have been for thousands of years because of the Old Testament, and that the Old Testament is inherently Jewish.
[00:40:21]  And therefore, Christians cannot get away from their Jewish roots.
[00:40:24]  That the Christian faith is built on a Jewish foundation.
[00:40:30]  It's really confused, would be the most charitable way I could put it.
[00:40:35]  The least charitable, but perhaps more accurate.
[00:40:39]  I don't know.
[00:40:39]  God knows his heart.
[00:40:40]  I don't know.
[00:40:40]  But it is deceitful, intentionally confusing language and rhetoric that takes that word Jewish and, in one instance, means it ethnically, in another instance, means it politically as a nation state.
[00:40:54]  And then the next instance is using it religiously.
[00:40:58]  No, Christianity is not Jewish.
[00:41:02]  I don't think in any stretch of the word Jewish, but certainly not if we're speaking of it being Jewish religiously.
[00:41:11]  The Old Testament is a Christian text.
[00:41:15]  All the writers of the Old Testament, whether it be Isaiah or Moses or Daniel, these are Christians.
[00:41:24]  They're Christians.
[00:41:25]  Some of them, many of them, were Jewish in terms of ethnicity.
[00:41:29]  But all of them were Christians regenerated by the Spirit of God.
[00:41:34]  And as for those Old Testament authors inspired by the Holy Spirit, all of them are speaking ultimately of Christ.
[00:41:43]  The only difference for an Old Testament Christian, which is a thing, versus a New Testament Christian, is that Old Testament Christians looked forward to the coming Christ, and we look backward to the Christ who already came and promises to come again.
[00:42:00]  Adam and Eve, Jewish.
[00:42:01]  Adam and Eve, Christian.
[00:42:04]  They were Christians.
[00:42:05]  God Himself, when He came and brought judgment because they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, God said to the woman and to the serpent, He said of the serpent, that I'll put enmity between your offspring and the woman's offspring, and you shall strike His, that the woman would eventually bear a son, her offspring being singular, speaking of Christ.
[00:42:31]  You, the serpent, you will strike His heel, but He will crush your head.
[00:42:36]  Adam and Eve are not in hell.
[00:42:37]  Adam and Eve are in heaven.
[00:42:39]  They were saved.
[00:42:39]  How were they saved?
[00:42:41]  Because they trusted in the serpent crusher.
[00:42:44]  They trusted that God would send a redeemer who would ultimately crush Satan under his feet and that he would be born of a woman, the offspring of Eve, and later on the son of Mary, and that he would be ultimately the son of God who would bring redemption and salvation.
[00:43:01]  Adam and Eve were saved not by Judaism, not by anything Jewish.
[00:43:06]  Adam and Eve were saved.
[00:43:07]  We were saved by grace, God's gift in giving us a Savior, Redeemer, through faith.
[00:43:14]  They weren't saved by works either.
[00:43:16]  They were trusting in the promise contained within God's judgment, right?
[00:43:21]  The earth is now cursed because of Adam and his sin.
[00:43:24]  The woman, her childbearing pains will be greatly increased, right?
[00:43:29]  The serpent, he'd be cursed to crawl on his belly and eventually the offspring of the woman would crush his head.
[00:43:34]  All these curses are dealt out.
[00:43:36]  And yet, kind of like to use nerdy.
[00:43:39]  Video game language, like an Easter egg, like a secret contained within the programming, contained within these judgments that God deals out, is a promise.
[00:43:48]  And it's the first promise that we find in the scripture in Genesis chapter three, an articulation from God Himself of the promised Messiah, of the gospel.
[00:43:58]  So Adam and Eve are Christians.
[00:44:01]  Moses is a Christian.
[00:44:03]  Jonah was a Christian.
[00:44:04]  Isaiah was a Christian.
[00:44:06]  Jeremiah was a Christian.
[00:44:08]  The Old Testament is a Christian.
[00:44:11]  Christian scriptural holy text.

=== Propaganda in Tucker Carlson Interviews (05:29) ===

[00:44:15]  And so, my point all the way back to Yorm Harzoni, the idea that somehow we're on the same team is just, I don't know, it boggles the mind.
[00:44:30]  He's saying, well, you have to be basically, essentially, he was arguing with Stephen Wolf and saying, you have to be pro Jewish because we share.
[00:44:40]  We're stuck in this together.
[00:44:41]  Right.
[00:44:41]  But he's not even saying you should be pro Jewish because a Christian.
[00:44:45]  Principle is that you wouldn't have hatred towards someone based off of their ethnicity.
[00:44:50]  He's not making that argument.
[00:44:52]  See, that's where the language gets hijacked and it gets, I think, intentionally tricky and deceptive.
[00:44:58]  Because in that instance, when he's essentially asserting that Christians must be pro Jewish, but he's not speaking ethnically, he's saying we must be pro Jewish.
[00:45:07]  And then he gives the impetus for why.
[00:45:09]  And he says our religions are bound.
[00:45:10]  So, in what way is he ultimately insisting that Christians should be pro Jewish?
[00:45:16]  Jewish ethnically?
[00:45:17]  Jewish nationally?
[00:45:18]  No.
[00:45:18]  Jewish religiously, but the religion, the Jewish religion of Talmudic Judaism is anti Christ.
[00:45:26]  They literally believe that Jesus is in hell, that he was a bastard born of a harlot, that he's a false prophet.
[00:45:34]  What fellowship does light have with darkness?
[00:45:37]  And so, this is ultimately how deep the rabbit hole goes.
[00:45:42]  And there are many, and I'm not trying to put anybody on blast, I won't give a bunch of names or anything like that, although I do have names.
[00:45:53]  But there are many before this most recent trip, many who have taken a trip to Israel, either with Arzoni or with this most recent conference sponsor.
[00:46:04]  But that's kind of the play.
[00:46:07]  That's kind of the strategy is hey, would you like to go on an all expenses paid sponsored trip to Israel to see where Jesus walked, to see the Holy Spirit?
[00:46:18]  To see where he was born.
[00:46:18]  Right, yeah.
[00:46:20]  And it's not a bribe, right?
[00:46:22]  It makes me think of the other guys with Will Farrell and Mark Wahlberg, you know, we're like the bad guy, you know, the crook, you know, who's managing this hedge fund and stealing from all his clients.
[00:46:33]  And they know he's the bad guy.
[00:46:34]  They're there as detectives to arrest him.
[00:46:36]  And he says, Hey, guys, how would you like front row seats, you know, at this musical or at this Knicks game, you know?
[00:46:43]  And it's not a bribe.
[00:46:45]  And then they, you know, they take it and they show up.
[00:46:47]  And like halfway through the event, they kind of look at each other and realize, Oh my goodness, we just took a bribe.
[00:46:52]  It's like, Hey, how would you like an all expenses paid trip to Israel to see the holy sites of Jesus?
[00:46:57]  It's not a bribe.
[00:46:59]  You know, and then, but then you come back, and I'm not saying all trips are equal.
[00:47:04]  So I'm not saying that some of the trips that guys have been on are like this recent trip where it was a thousand Christian pastors with the express purpose of equipping them and teaching them to come back and encourage their congregations to be pro Israel.
[00:47:19]  So I'm not saying every sponsored trip has that explicit of an agenda, but that's kind of it seems like that's how it works.
[00:47:29]  You get invited on a trip, you come back, and Maybe you don't start tweeting out every day something positive about Israel, but you at least think once or twice before tweeting out something negative.
[00:47:41]  Maybe you start doing a little bit less negative posts and then you get invited to something else.
[00:47:46]  Or maybe you find yourself speaking at a conference or whatever.
[00:47:49]  And it's just, it's weird.
[00:47:51]  It's weird.
[00:47:52]  If China was doing this, it would be on the news every day of the week.
[00:47:58]  We'd be talking about it.
[00:47:59]  If Russia was doing this, right?
[00:48:01]  It would be this major political.
[00:48:05]  I mean, remember Russiagate with Donald Trump?
[00:48:08]  Remember when Tucker Carlson just interviewed the president to ask his side of the Ukraine story?
[00:48:13]  Yeah.
[00:48:13]  I mean, weeks, Russian agent, Russian this, Russian that, for one visit to conduct a neutral interview.
[00:48:19]  Imagine if you're not the Ukraine president, but Putin, Russian president.
[00:48:22]  Yeah, Russian president.
[00:48:23]  Thousands of influencers to Israel.
[00:48:25]  Right.
[00:48:25]  They all, yeah, exactly.
[00:48:27]  Tucker interviewed Putin because nobody was talking to him.
[00:48:30]  They were only talking to Zelensky.
[00:48:33]  But he goes and interviews Putin and immediately, And I'm not saying that there can't be any fair criticism.
[00:48:40]  Tucker wouldn't say that.
[00:48:41]  But my point is like, there was a ton of criticism.
[00:48:44]  Everybody was coming out and saying, well, why would you talk to him?
[00:48:48]  And why would you do this interview?
[00:48:50]  And why did you, you know, you gave off this impression of Russia and that's not really true?
[00:48:54]  Yeah, the train station's really nice, but you didn't show the other parts of Russia that are run down and this is propaganda.
[00:49:01]  And that, like, okay, fine, fine.
[00:49:04]  Maybe there's some elements of propaganda.
[00:49:07]  And I'm not saying there are or there aren't.
[00:49:10]  But I will say that it's a fair criticism.
[00:49:12]  You're allowed to levy that criticism to say that I think that there's at least some portion of propaganda in Tucker Carlson going to Russia and doing this interview.
[00:49:23]  Okay, well, if that's the case, then whatever your degree of vitriol towards Tucker Carlson with the whole Putin interview is, that should be multiplied to infinity with this recent trip.
[00:49:37]  And it's not with a church pastor.
[00:49:39]  Think about this it's not one guy, Tucker Carlson, who, and what's his role?
[00:49:42]  He's a journalist.

=== Twisting Scripture for Israel (15:02) ===

[00:49:44]  Yeah.
[00:49:44]  Right?
[00:49:45]  He's a podcaster.
[00:49:47]  He's a news guy.
[00:49:48]  Right?
[00:49:48]  But in this case, it's not one guy, it's a thousand.
[00:49:51]  And a thousand journalists?
[00:49:53]  No, a thousand pastors are going to Israel and they're being taught political talking points.
[00:49:59]  That already is, you know, is alarming in and of itself.
[00:50:02]  No, they're being taught theological, scriptural talking points to come back and convince the evangelical Protestant base of Christians in America that we have a religious and theological, scriptural obligation to be for a foreign country, even at the expense of our own.
[00:50:22]  That is insane.
[00:50:24]  And they're doing it because they are reliant on our support to survive.
[00:50:28]  It's a one sided relationship, right?
[00:50:31]  Israel without America is going to have a hard time.
[00:50:34]  They're sequestered between all these Muslim nations that they've kind of pissed off over the last five decades.
[00:50:39]  America without Israel, we'd be fine.
[00:50:42]  So it's a very one sided relationship, and they get it.
[00:50:45]  They get it better than most evangelicals do.
[00:50:49]  The Christian base, it's white evangelicals, Protestants specifically, if we're being honest.
[00:50:55]  White evangelical Protestants, that base, when the support ends, when the support dips below 50, 40, 30% of that base supporting them as far as giving, as far as pastors, the gravy train is over.
[00:51:08]  You are stuck on an island surrounded by a lot of very unhappy people.
[00:51:12]  And the last thing I'll add to this that was disclosed in this FARA, and then I want to get to the recent event they literally just held last week for all of these pastors, sending them back with a commission to be pro Israel in these churches.
[00:51:23]  The FARA also did, the FARA disclosed.
[00:51:25]  Sending them back with pagers.
[00:51:26]  Wait, no.
[00:51:27]  Walkie talkies.
[00:51:29]  The FAR disclosure also said that they're going to geofence certain locations.
[00:51:33]  So, what geofencing is, is imagine me and you, Joel, went to a barbecue convention.
[00:51:37]  We tried a bunch of different barbecue.
[00:51:39]  And if there's two, 3,000 people there, what might make sense if you had a smoker company is to then target devices, not the individuals, because you don't know who specifically, but you can look at the device ID and you can say, I'm going to target for ads for smoke pits, barbecue, offset smoker, pellets, these 3,000 devices that over the weekend, We're here at this barbecue convention.
[00:52:02]  Why?
[00:52:03]  Because I know these are probably men interested in barbecue, wanting to buy the latest tools.
[00:52:07]  Now, that's not immoral.
[00:52:08]  That's completely innocuous.
[00:52:09]  That's, well, I don't know about completely innocuous.
[00:52:12]  It's not good.
[00:52:12]  It's good marketing, it's good capitalism.
[00:52:14]  It's capitalism, which does not mean that it's amoral.
[00:52:19]  No, but this one, geofencing, so they have a list of 1,000 U.S. churches.
[00:52:24]  As we noted, it probably represents two to three million parishioners and attendees.
[00:52:28]  Right.
[00:52:28]  And they specifically disclosed we are going to geofence these churches.
[00:52:32]  So as you come with your device in the vicinity of these churches, We are going to reserve the rights to show them ads garnering their support for Israel.
[00:52:40]  So you stop by for the weekend to a church when you're out of town, geofenced, targeted for ads.
[00:52:45]  Your elderly parents, the church that they go to, oh, we've got this device coming back to this church again and again and again.
[00:52:51]  Better make sure to show them a couple ads to shore up their support.
[00:52:55]  It's malicious.
[00:52:56]  It is.
[00:52:56]  Just to put it plainly, you need to be aware of this that, like, over the holidays, for instance, if you go back home, right, to Southern California, To visit your mom and dad, your kids, me, mom, papa, or whatever it is.
[00:53:11]  And you want to honor your father and mother.
[00:53:14]  And it may not be a church that you entirely agree with their doctrinal tenets and those things, but it's your mom and dad's church.
[00:53:21]  Maybe it's the church you grew up in.
[00:53:22]  And so you're going to be a good sport.
[00:53:24]  You're not going to cause strife on Christmas.
[00:53:27]  So this Sunday, we're here visiting mom and dad, the grandparents for the holidays.
[00:53:32]  And so we're going to go to church with them.
[00:53:34]  Well, if that means that you're going to Calvary Chapel, If you're going to Rob McCoy's church, you should expect that week to see some pro Israel ads on your phone.
[00:53:46]  And we're telling you now you know why.
[00:53:48]  Right?
[00:53:50]  That's weird.
[00:53:50]  Weird is a really kind way to put it.
[00:53:52]  It's not just organic.
[00:53:53]  It's not just, oh, this is coming up.
[00:53:55]  Maybe it's relevant.
[00:53:56]  Maybe it's not.
[00:53:57]  Targeted to you because you are attending a Christian church and they know that's their base that supports them.
[00:54:03]  Let's play this clip from Mike Huckabee.
[00:54:05]  This was, like I said, last week, December 6th, at a gathering, the largest of its kind since the formation of the modern state of Israel for over a thousand pastors and Christian influencers.
[00:54:16]  But I say to you that those who are saying things that are negative about Israel that are not true.
[00:54:21]  They have the free speech right to say to them, but you have the free speech responsibility to push back, stand up, speak up, and say, not in this country, America will not stand silent.
[00:54:53]  We need the pulpits of America to be on fire with truth, not propaganda.
[00:55:01]  Nobody is asking you to go back to America and tell some story made up about Israel.
[00:55:07]  Nobody is asking you to go and present some version of history that doesn't exist.
[00:55:14]  Simply being asked to go back and tell the truth and tell it from the scriptures.
[00:55:20]  Because you could tell it from the front pages of the New York Slimes.
[00:55:23]  And it would not be the truth.
[00:55:26]  But if you tell it from the holy word of the holy God, you will be telling the truth.
[00:55:30]  And the scripture may very visibly say that this is the land that God gave to the Jewish people.
[00:55:41]  And he said, He will bless those who bless Israel, but He will curse those who curse Israel.
[00:55:50]  Yeah, so we're not asking you to go back and propagandize.
[00:55:54]  Your congregants, your churches, your fellow American citizens, your children, your neighbors, your friends.
[00:56:00]  We're not telling you to go back and propagandize them.
[00:56:02]  We're just telling you to go back and tell them the truth.
[00:56:05]  Okay.
[00:56:05]  And what is the truth?
[00:56:07]  Well, the political history of Israel.
[00:56:10]  No, he tells you the truth.
[00:56:12]  It's a theological, in his mind, truth.
[00:56:16]  And that theological truth is that the Bible somehow explicitly teaches that there is an eternal land right.
[00:56:25]  An eternal land right all the way up until the coming of Christ, and even then for a thousand years for his literal earthly reign, there is an indefinite land right, fiat, divine, given to one ethnic people in this particular place.
[00:56:45]  And that that's the Bible, that the Bible teaches that.
[00:56:49]  And furthermore, that America as a nation under God will be cursed if we curse Israel.
[00:57:00]  And what is Israel in this case?
[00:57:01]  Well, Israel is the people of God, the new covenant people, right?
[00:57:05]  No, no, he means ethnically Jewish people, right?
[00:57:09]  If America as a nation politically, financially blesses Ashkenazi Jews, then they'll be blessed.
[00:57:18]  And again, who is his audience?
[00:57:21]  It's pastors, a thousand pastors representative of two to three million congregants, evangelical congregants.
[00:57:29]  In the United States of America, and he is commissioning these people to go back and to teach Christians that God has put under their watch to teach them that they need to lobby their government, their fellow American citizens through cultural power, political power, and informal and informal influence to be pro Israel, pro Israel with our tax dollars,
[00:57:54]  pro Israel if it means defending them and sending our sons to die in war and joining them in the battles that.
[00:58:02]  Many of them, if they don't instigate them, a lot of them I do think they instigate, but even if they don't instigate them, they retaliate in cruel ways.
[00:58:14]  You did something that really was terrible on October 7th, two years ago.
[00:58:19]  Okay.
[00:58:20]  Now you're all going to die.
[00:58:22]  All of you.
[00:58:22]  We're just going to commit genocide as a normal retaliation.
[00:58:28]  That's not normal.
[00:58:29]  And the reality is Israel is aware, they recognize that the vast majority of the world at this point has soured.
[00:58:37]  On the nation of Israel.
[00:58:39]  The vast majority of the world has a bad taste in their mouth.
[00:58:43]  They're saying, wait a second.
[00:58:45]  No, this isn't right.
[00:58:46]  This isn't humane.
[00:58:47]  This isn't moral.
[00:58:51]  And so, what does Israel do when they realize that they're falling out of favor on the world stage?
[00:58:59]  Who are the biggest suckers that they can employ in their ranks to try to turn the tide in arguably the most powerful nation in the world to be able to continue to commission them as an ally?
[00:59:12]  Pastors, Christian pastors.
[00:59:14]  Think about it, you need to feel that, honestly, as an evangelical.
[00:59:19]  And I am an evangelical.
[00:59:21]  I'm.
[00:59:21]  I feel this too.
[00:59:23]  But we need to sit with that for a moment and just be honest that we just have to be honest about the truth that the nation state of Israel knows good and well that if they're looking for the biggest suckers in the world to sell oceanfront property in Kansas to, there's one group of people that rises to the top of their list evangelical Christians.
[00:59:53]  If you're an evangelical Christian, you need to know Israel's laughing at you.
[00:59:59]  They target you because you're the stupidest person in our country.
[01:00:05]  You are the easiest target, the biggest sucker, the most gullible, the most naive.
[01:00:12]  And it's really sad as an evangelical Christian.
[01:00:15]  I love evangelical Christians.
[01:00:16]  It's really sad to know that I'm a part of who I believe to be, for the most part, precious people.
[01:00:23]  Who genuinely, I believe, the vast majority of them genuinely love the Lord Jesus and yet are exceptionally stupid.
[01:00:31]  Yeah.
[01:00:32]  It's incredible to me.
[01:00:33]  We've talked about it before, but that verse that's always cited, right?
[01:00:36]  Those that bless Israel will be blessed.
[01:00:38]  That's not what Genesis 12, 1 through 3 says.
[01:00:42]  It says, Now the Lord said unto Abraham, Get thee out of thy country and from thy kindred and from thy father's house unto a land I will show thee and I will make of thee a great nation and I will bless thee and I will make thy name great and thou shalt be a blessing and I will bless them that bless thee.
[01:00:54]  And curse him that curseth thee, and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
[01:00:59]  And Paul goes in in Galatians when he's dealing with the heresy of holding on to the old substance, the old structure, the old shadow, and he gives us the divine interpretation of who thee is there.
[01:01:09]  So, all right, you bless Abraham, you'll be blessed.
[01:01:11]  What do we mean by Abraham?
[01:01:13]  Is it his physical offspring?
[01:01:15]  Paul gives us the divine interpretation of it that pastors and Mike Huckabee should know.
[01:01:20]  Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
[01:01:25]  And the scripture foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed.
[01:01:33]  So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
[01:01:37]  So he's like, Don't lie, don't repeat propaganda, and then goes on and butchers a Bible verse that we know exactly what it's actually referring to to get his point across.
[01:01:47]  Like literally in the same 90 second clip.
[01:01:50]  It's incredible, it's shameless.
[01:01:51]  I'm almost in awe of somebody being able to do that with a straight face.
[01:01:55]  Hey, just go out there and you give them the facts.
[01:01:58]  And here's a verse that I very conveniently inserted a word that doesn't really belong there.
[01:02:02]  And the Bible tells me is not the true interpretation.
[01:02:05]  Right.
[01:02:06]  It's incredible.
[01:02:07]  Yes.
[01:02:07]  Who are we called to bless and not curse?
[01:02:10]  God's chosen people.
[01:02:11]  Yeah, God's chosen people who are Christians.
[01:02:14]  We're called to bless the spiritual seed of Abraham, not the nation state of Israel, 2,000 years removed from the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus.
[01:02:26]  I see that there must be someone new to this channel.
[01:02:30]  He put in the chat, he said, Is Joel talking about Islamic Somalians?
[01:02:34]  Might as well be.
[01:02:36]  If you acknowledge the hostility from the one, talking about Israel, you should acknowledge the hostility from the other.
[01:02:45]  You must be new here.
[01:02:47]  Yeah, every single Somalian needs to be rounded up and deported.
[01:02:52]  We say that on a pretty regular basis.
[01:02:55]  So, Mike Huckabee, who is an American citizen, Mike Huckabee also, I think, should be an honorary deportee.
[01:03:05]  He'd be thrilled if he got deported, honestly, though.
[01:03:07]  He probably was.
[01:03:08]  The greatest day of his life.
[01:03:08]  He should be deported, but there's room for all.
[01:03:12]  We are equal opportunists when it comes to mass deportation.
[01:03:17]  So, Ilhan Omar, absolutely, and her brother that she deported.
[01:03:21]  Allegedly married to cheat the system, she needs to be on that plane as well.
[01:03:26]  So, yeah, deport them all.
[01:03:28]  Consequences for every foreign actor that is attempting to hijack our country.
[01:03:34]  And Somalians, I do believe they don't belong here.
[01:03:37]  They have been a net negative on America.
[01:03:40]  But I also believe that Israel has been a net negative on America.
[01:03:44]  The difference here's the difference the difference is that when it comes to my tribe, evangelical Christians, I don't see evangelical Christians in mass, right, or influential leaders like pastors of large megachurches, a thousand of them in mass, taking week long trips to Somalia and being equipped with talking points for how they can go back and encourage their congregations,
[01:04:13]  representative of two to three million Christians in our country, to politically support Somalia and theologically support.
[01:04:24]  Somalia.
[01:04:24]  See, that's the difference.
[01:04:26]  People will point out, as this person in the comments did, well, it seems like you guys are, it's fine to criticize Israel or not like Israel, but it just seems like you guys are not being even handed with your criticisms.
[01:04:42]  They're not the only foreign country that's invading our land and blah, blah, blah.

=== Uneven Criticism of Israel (05:20) ===

[01:04:47]  Yeah, that may be true.
[01:04:49]  But what really is unique in the case of Israel is that it's been ingrained in our pulpit.
[01:04:57]  Not just with our politicians, that has happened as well.
[01:05:01]  But when it comes to Jewish people, it's different than Somalians in the sense that they're playing off of a religious argument, they're playing off of a theological argument.
[01:05:15]  They're not just twisting policy, they're twisting scripture.
[01:05:19]  And as a Christian and an evangelical Christian pastor at that, I think that it's well within my place to speak about.
[01:05:29]  There's also, too, I mean, the measure of how effective they are.
[01:05:33]  There are not 200 some United States representatives from the House of Representatives traveling to Somalia under the banner 50 states, one Somalia, right?
[01:05:44]  50 states, one Afghanistan.
[01:05:46]  No, there's one country in the world where whether you're Republican or Democrat, both come together to say, this is the one thing that we adore.
[01:05:53]  And I recognize not every single Republican necessarily feels that way.
[01:05:56]  And even the Democratic Party has soured on Israel for the most part.
[01:06:00]  But when it comes to the two groups, they can't agree on anything.
[01:06:02]  It's gun rights, it's abortions, it's taxes, it's healthcare.
[01:06:05]  They differ on all these different things.
[01:06:07]  And they will come together 50 states, one Israel.
[01:06:10]  But Somalia, they're just, they're not visiting.
[01:06:11]  They don't hold the sway over our government that Israel does.
[01:06:14]  And so it's worth saying yeah, Somalians that are here legally or illegally, CJ Engel likes to say, I do not distinguish legal or illegal immigration.
[01:06:23]  Legally or illegally, yeah, it's a problem.
[01:06:25]  They don't also have hardly any sway anywhere, it seems like outside of Minnesota.
[01:06:30]  So naturally, the one that's more threatening, more powerful, holds a greater sway.
[01:06:34]  Has thousands of pastors over there being taught to come back and advocate on their behalf.
[01:06:39]  The minute there are 2,000 pastors in Somalia being taught to go back and bring a message of friendliness of Islam to America and to American churches, you can bet you know what the live stream is going to be for that day.
[01:06:51]  Until that happens, we will focus on the one that actually occurred last week.
[01:06:55]  Yep.
[01:06:56]  Somebody put in the chat, I think that it's well said, we can handle the orcs once we get the wizards under control.
[01:07:03]  We're able to walk and chew bubble gum here as Christian men.
[01:07:06]  We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
[01:07:08]  But that is a good point that, you know, it's not like every Jewish person.
[01:07:13]  Person in America agrees.
[01:07:14]  There are Jews on the right, Jews on the left.
[01:07:17]  I will say, though, in terms of voting patterns, if we're doing a bit of noticing, I think it's like 80 something percent vote left in major elections.
[01:07:27]  80 something percent of Jews in America who are American citizens are voting left.
[01:07:33]  So it's not even by any stretch of the imagination, but there are right wing leaning or GOP Republican Jewish people in America.
[01:07:44]  However, even in that instance, although they may be vying for different things, those different things aren't really all that different at the end of the day.
[01:07:56]  They fit hand in glove, they work in tandem with one another.
[01:08:00]  You have right wing influence, GOP, and not just Jewish influence, but that's certainly a part of it, pushing the GOP to be involved in wars, right?
[01:08:14]  To go over to the Middle East.
[01:08:16]  For regime change, you know, or to export our sacred democracy, and often to partner with Israel and to fight their wars and to fight Muslim countries.
[01:08:25]  And so you have Jews on the right here in America who are not like Jews on the left.
[01:08:33]  They're advocating for different things, but one thing that they advocate for is war.
[01:08:40]  They advocate for war and American involvement in wars in the Middle East that does what?
[01:08:45]  Well, it displaces Muslims.
[01:08:48]  Right now, you have all these refugees.
[01:08:50]  Then you have Jews in America on the left who advocate for poor borders and greater refugee status to take all these displaced Muslims because the right leaning Jews in America pushed for our involvement in wars that displaced them.
[01:09:08]  And then the left leaning Jews in America say, Hey, let's bring them here.
[01:09:13]  And so it's funny that, you know, yes, I'm aware of the tensions that exist between Muslims and Jews, I'm aware that they're not.
[01:09:22]  Necessarily friendly with one another.
[01:09:25]  And yet, Jewish influence actually has lent, I think, a great deal significantly towards the increase of Muslims in Western countries.
[01:09:38]  So, as much as Jews don't like Muslims, Jews who find themselves in Western countries as citizens from the right side of the aisle pressing for war in the Middle East that displaces Muslims, and the left side of the aisle opening up.
[01:09:54]  Borders and making it easier for them to come and immigrate here.
[01:09:59]  The Jewish influence, as much as it doesn't like Muslims, always seems to end up resulting in more Muslims here in the West.

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[01:10:08]  Incredible.
[01:10:09]  Incredible.
[01:10:10]  So, yes, you kind of have to deal with the wizards and not just the orcs.
[01:10:15]  Otherwise, it's like bailing water out of the ship without ever patching up the hole.
[01:10:21]  Let's go to our last commercial break and then we will handle super chats.
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[01:13:48]  All right, all right, let's pull up the super chats.
[01:13:51]  Let's do it.
[01:13:52]  We're waiting, they're coming on the screen.

=== Eternal Bodies and Hope (15:40) ===

[01:13:54]  Here they are.
[01:13:55]  First one is from Dapper Dan 1993.
[01:13:58]  He said, Wes, my family will be watching those classic American musicals this Christmas in your honor.
[01:14:06]  That is a sad thing to inflict on a family.
[01:14:08]  It's like Christmas presents, family, carols, musicals.
[01:14:13]  Carols.
[01:14:14]  You're already almost there.
[01:14:17]  Do you see how the difference between the two, though?
[01:14:19]  You're so close.
[01:14:19]  Christmas carols.
[01:14:21]  Hark the Herald Angels Sing.
[01:14:23]  Musicals.
[01:14:25]  You're young.
[01:14:28]  It's okay.
[01:14:30]  Yeah.
[01:14:30]  All right.
[01:14:31]  HHS 9045, send in a super chat.
[01:14:32]  Thank you very much.
[01:14:34]  Will the glorified nations, this is a good question, in the new earth retain their distinct biological heritage and cultural identity?
[01:14:41]  And if so, what is our responsibility now in building towards that eternal reality?
[01:14:46]  Yes, we believe in a bodily resurrection.
[01:14:49]  That's what the Bible teaches.
[01:14:52]  And so we believe that, you know, the Apostle Paul says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
[01:14:58]  So upon the death of believers, we believe that they are spiritually present at that moment with the Lord in glory.
[01:15:08]  But that a day is coming, a finality to human history and the culmination of the kingdom of God, where Christ will bodily return and he will raise to life both the redeemed and the damned, the redeemed unto glory.
[01:15:26]  And we will be reunited with our physical bodies now glorified.
[01:15:30]  So there will be some distinctions to be sure.
[01:15:33]  These will be bodies that can no longer be injured, they'll no longer be fatigued, they will no longer go hungry.
[01:15:40]  They'll be immortal, but it will still be our body.
[01:15:44]  And we also know from the book of Revelation that every tribe and tongue will be represented at the wedding supper of the Lamb and before the throne of God in worship and eternity.
[01:16:00]  So, in eternity, there will be different people in their physical bodies.
[01:16:06]  We don't get another body, it's this body resurrected and made new.
[01:16:11]  So, there's the glorification of this body, which assumes distinctions, but it is the same body.
[01:16:20]  And so, yes, I do believe that we will be able to visibly discern as we look at others and audibly discern as we hear them speak.
[01:16:29]  Oh, that is a different person from a different nation.
[01:16:33]  Oh, I can tell that this is a Chinese Christian, right?
[01:16:36]  This is a Ugandan Christian.
[01:16:37]  This is a.
[01:16:38]  Jesus is recognizable when he's raised.
[01:16:40]  They recognize him because he looks similar to.
[01:16:44]  What they saw in his earthly ministry before his death.
[01:16:46]  Yes.
[01:16:47]  So it's going to be the same body, not another body, but this body made new.
[01:16:53]  And we know that there will be different tongues, languages spoken in heaven.
[01:16:58]  I think it's probably safe to assume that in our heavenly state, that we'll have understanding of all the different languages, that there won't be language barriers.
[01:17:08]  So I'll be able to understand someone speaking in a different tongue, but different tongues will still be used.
[01:17:14]  It's not like we're going to go to heaven and everybody will just.
[01:17:17]  Now, speak English or everybody now speaks Hebrew.
[01:17:21]  There'll be different tongues represented, different resurrected, glorified physical bodies represented.
[01:17:29]  And yeah, so there will be diversity in heaven.
[01:17:32]  And the irony is that, you know, in eternity, diversity in heaven, what it pre assumes is that distinctions are maintained on earth.
[01:17:43]  If no distinctions are maintained on earth, if we get rid of every border and every nation and just Fully embrace globalism and everybody just mixes together, and we all speak, you know, one social credit score and one language, and everyone intermarries.
[01:18:01]  And, you know, then in just a few short generations, you actually no longer have distinctions on earth.
[01:18:10]  And in heaven, you know, there'd just be one language that's represented and one, you know, type of person physically that we would be able to visually discern represented.
[01:18:20]  So, yeah, I think that the way that the Bible speaks of the heavenly eternal state.
[01:18:26]  Pre assumes distinctions here on earth.
[01:18:29]  And we're not Gnostics.
[01:18:30]  Gnosticism was a Christian heresy.
[01:18:33]  We believe that the spiritual is of infinite value, but the physical still matters.
[01:18:39]  The spiritual being of greater importance doesn't mean that the physical material world that God made and said is good, that it suddenly, because of Christian faith, has no value at all.
[01:18:50]  That's not what the Bible teaches.
[01:18:51]  So, languages and culture and distinct peoples and societies and nations, this is all biblical language.
[01:19:02]  And these are things that I believe they are meant to be preserved.
[01:19:06]  Yep.
[01:19:06]  Well said.
[01:19:08]  Longtime super chatter and supporter, Reformed Farmer wrote in Good afternoon.
[01:19:12]  Any reading materials on this?
[01:19:14]  Keep up the good work.
[01:19:15]  And that was during the segment when I saw the super chat.
[01:19:17]  We were talking about who's really Israel.
[01:19:21]  What do you think?
[01:19:21]  Any good reading materials?
[01:19:23]  Yeah, there's really good reading material coming on about what, 16 days or so?
[01:19:31]  19 days.
[01:19:33]  Be looking on alerts, heads up, ears to the ground.
[01:19:38]  But yeah, very early January, within the first couple days of January, there will be some really great reading material that you will hear all about.
[01:19:48]  Great stuff.
[01:19:50]  Brown Anglo Sax sent in a super chat and asked, Ever tried ice cream on your eggnog?
[01:19:55]  Game changer.
[01:19:56]  I believe it.
[01:19:56]  That actually sounds good.
[01:19:57]  You're telling me the one element, the one food that is per capita, tough word, sweeter than eggnog, and you add it to it, and you don't get type 2 diabetes?
[01:20:09]  Am I meant to understand this correctly?
[01:20:10]  He never says you want to get type 2 diabetes.
[01:20:13]  He just said that it would be good.
[01:20:14]  I'll give it a try.
[01:20:14]  I believe that.
[01:20:16]  All right.
[01:20:17]  Next is Julian Stevenson.
[01:20:19]  He gave us a super chat and said, Just a quick praise.
[01:20:23]  Yesterday morning, my wife and I welcomed our firstborn son into the world.
[01:20:28]  Praise God.
[01:20:29]  And they said, Psalm 8, 1 through 2.
[01:20:33]  I don't have it memorized.
[01:20:34]  Lord our Lord and all the earth, how excellent you are.
[01:20:36]  Is that your name?
[01:20:37]  Yep.
[01:20:37]  You above.
[01:20:38]  Yeah.
[01:20:38]  The heavens have set.
[01:20:39]  I'm reciting the psalm.
[01:20:40]  The Psalm 8 is another one where it says, What is man that you are mindful of him?
[01:20:43]  Yeah.
[01:20:44]  It's quoted in the Hebrews.
[01:20:47]  Great.
[01:20:48]  Well, praise God.
[01:20:49]  We're very happy for you.
[01:20:50]  That's awesome to hear.
[01:20:52]  Eugene Moses Kalishikanov.
[01:20:57]  Good try.
[01:20:58]  Good try.
[01:20:58]  Yeah.
[01:20:59]  But what is your Christian name?
[01:21:00]  They wrote in and said, Hello.
[01:21:01]  Are you familiar with the New Columbia Movement?
[01:21:04]  It's a Christian nationalist organization recruiting Christian men to retake America.
[01:21:08]  I'm awesome.
[01:21:10]  Sounds good, but no, I don't know anything about it.
[01:21:12]  Next one is from Jesse Pennant.
[01:21:16]  He gave us a big super chat.
[01:21:19]  We appreciate that, Jesse.
[01:21:20]  Thank you.
[01:21:21]  He said, Wife and I love your podcast.
[01:21:23]  That's impressive.
[01:21:24]  A lot of wives do not love the podcast, but I appreciate it.
[01:21:27]  You got to throw that thing on in the car when you leave.
[01:21:29]  Yeah, appreciate it.
[01:21:30]  So, Wife and I love the podcast, trying to influence our church and family with theology applied to all areas of life.
[01:21:39]  Amen.
[01:21:39]  Frustrating because my mother is an ordained pastor.
[01:21:45]  Not great.
[01:21:47]  And I'm on church boards with her.
[01:21:52]  How do you respect your mother and father while also trying to be biblical?
[01:21:59]  Yeah, we've gotten this question a lot.
[01:22:00]  I think, you know, we've given a lot of different advice.
[01:22:03]  So I'll try not to be too long.
[01:22:05]  But one, you know, just practically over the holidays, if you're visiting them for Christmas and those kinds of things, where it sounds like you might be local because it sounds like you have some more intimate involvement.
[01:22:18]  With your mother.
[01:22:20]  But I would just say that if you're spending time in person, one of the best things you can do is just enjoy each other's company and not get into a bunch of fights, especially at Christmas.
[01:22:35]  So, you know, it's probably not the best time to, you know, this year, as a new Christmas tradition, I would like to read, you know, 1 Timothy chapter 2 and chapter 3, you know, aloud before all the family.
[01:22:48]  Mother, this especially pertains to you.
[01:22:51]  I wouldn't do that.
[01:22:52]  So, like, one way that you can honor her and the rest of your family, extended family, is by simply enjoying them.
[01:23:01]  Find the good, right?
[01:23:04]  There's enough common grace, you know, that even for an unbeliever, there are things that we can appreciate.
[01:23:12]  If someone is unregenerate, then we know that Scripture is true.
[01:23:17]  Romans 8 says that the mind of the sinful man is hostile.
[01:23:20]  So, not just neutral or indifferent, but actually hostile towards the law of God.
[01:23:25]  So, in the case of unbelievers who are unregenerate, we know that there's enmity between them and the God that we love, the God who saved us.
[01:23:33]  And before we were saved, there was once enmity in our case also.
[01:23:37]  But God saved us and gave us a new heart, caused us to become new creatures in Christ Jesus.
[01:23:42]  And the God that we once hated is the God that we now love.
[01:23:45]  So, even in the case of an unbeliever, although it's true, we want to affirm all of Scripture, they're in a state of hostility towards God.
[01:23:53]  And therefore, some of that hostility will rear its head in regards to God's people.
[01:23:58]  Being you as a believer.
[01:24:01]  And yet they're still made in the image of God.
[01:24:05]  And even as an unbeliever, there is enough common grace where there are things that you can find in common with one another.
[01:24:14]  There are things that you can affirm.
[01:24:16]  Maybe they're really kind in their interactions with others, or just thanking them for Christmas presents that they express generosity.
[01:24:26]  Man, this really means a lot.
[01:24:27]  Thanks.
[01:24:28]  Thanks, mom.
[01:24:30]  Those kinds of things, playing a card game together, you know.
[01:24:34]  So, finding ways to honor them practically by spending time with them and not making it a huge theological argument, especially around the holidays.
[01:24:45]  I think that's one way to honor mom and dad.
[01:24:48]  And then beyond that, you know, there probably are some occasions throughout the year where you need to, you know, you need to broach the topic.
[01:25:00]  Out of love, not despite loving your parents, but precisely because you do love them and you want what's best for them, and God's word is best.
[01:25:09]  Eventually, at some point, you have to find context to have that conversation, but having the conversation humbly, having the conversation respectfully, those kinds of things, not raising your voice, not getting angry as best you can.
[01:25:26]  I think those are ways to honor your parents.
[01:25:29]  I've said it before, but one of the best.
[01:25:31]  Apologetics and defenses of your side.
[01:25:33]  It's going to be the information you have, but there's only so many times you can say a verse, you can quote other commentaries on it.
[01:25:39]  One of the biggest apologetics for your strength and the position of your argument maybe shouldn't be this way.
[01:25:44]  It would be nice to win on the merits of the arguments alone, but your character and your virtue will come to bear.
[01:25:51]  So it's like, okay, we have big disagreements on this, but my goodness, if he's not an honorable man, he works hard, he loves his wife, he cares for his family, he's great with the kids.
[01:25:59]  Like, I want to hate him.
[01:26:01]  I want to think he's bigoted.
[01:26:02]  I want to think he's narrow minded.
[01:26:03]  I want to think he's misogynist.
[01:26:05]  Women can't be pastors.
[01:26:06]  What do you mean?
[01:26:07]  But I look at him and he is the most loving, kind, helpful, serving man I've ever seen.
[01:26:12]  And there's nothing in his character that I could pick out and say, well, you just believe that because you just hate women.
[01:26:17]  You just say that because you're just whatever.
[01:26:21]  Your character, for better or worse, is going to factor into.
[01:26:24]  And so if you've got five years and they're like, to be honest, still don't get it, but you're one heck of an honorable dude.
[01:26:30]  And I think you might be right.
[01:26:32]  That would be one way it could go.
[01:26:34]  Yeah, no, that's a great point.
[01:26:35]  Love your wife and kids.
[01:26:37]  Love your wife and kids in tangible ways.
[01:26:39]  Do a good job.
[01:26:41]  That's something that I've experienced with, you know, with sometimes, you know, people, maybe it's extended family or maybe it's just a friend.
[01:26:51]  Or a congregant or something like that.
[01:26:53]  It's like, man, you know, like you're just, you're intense in your rhetoric, you know, and, you know, I've heard your views because I've tuned into your podcast or I saw you going viral on some clip or something like that.
[01:27:05]  Or I saw an article by, you know, the Houston Chronicle and they'll, you know, they'll sadly, you know, be frustrated with you or despise you, you know, to some extent because of it.
[01:27:19]  But there have been many occasions where, you know, even my, You know, people who disagree with me entirely in terms of my views, they'll say, Yeah, but you know what?
[01:27:31]  He's a really good dad, you know, or he's a really good husband, or I see him with his kids.
[01:27:36]  And that goes a long way.
[01:27:38]  Yep.
[01:27:39]  Cody Legaline sent in a super chat.
[01:27:42]  Thank you, Cody.
[01:27:43]  Seems like we're cooked.
[01:27:44]  Interesting.
[01:27:45]  Headed to a big tech monarchy.
[01:27:47]  I like the second part, but I have faith in our civilization.
[01:27:51]  I want to leave a better world for my children and am prepared to fight for it.
[01:27:54]  Merry Christmas, gentlemen.
[01:27:56]  Amen.
[01:27:57]  Amen.
[01:27:57]  Yeah.
[01:27:59]  Stay hopeful.
[01:28:00]  We're Christians.
[01:28:03]  There is something to be said for, yeah, we don't want to be naive.
[01:28:06]  And yes, we want to be practical.
[01:28:08]  And being hopeful, you know, hope can sometimes be a euphemism for just putting your head in the sand.
[01:28:15]  Like, we need to be aware of what's going on.
[01:28:17]  And it's not great.
[01:28:19]  It's not great.
[01:28:20]  And I think, as faithful and courageous Christians, like, part of courage is actually being willing to.
[01:28:28]  Accurately admit and acknowledge the, you know, the tight, titanic task that stands before us.
[01:28:41]  Sometimes, you know, people sound hopeful, but really it's actually just hope as a thin veneer masking cowardice.
[01:28:49]  They're actually the reason why they're always bubbly or always white pilled or always optimistic is because they're actually cowards.
[01:28:57]  They're not able to actually look.
[01:29:00]  The real challenges in the face and admit them.
[01:29:04]  So be honest about the challenges, but we are Christians.
[01:29:07]  We do believe at the end of the day that the Lord can win by many or by few.
[01:29:11]  We have an entire Bible filled of example after example of the people of God being outnumbered and yet God producing great victory for his glory.
[01:29:24]  We are Christians after all.
[01:29:26]  We have Samson, we have Gideon, we have this in our holy.

=== MacArthur's Hermeneutic Challenges (12:15) ===

[01:29:35]  And we believe that these are things that God has done.
[01:29:37]  And we believe not that He owes it to us or that we're entitled to it or that it's somehow guaranteed, but we know that He's done it before and He could do it again.
[01:29:45]  And so we hope, we work, we pray, we don't give up.
[01:29:51]  But you're right.
[01:29:52]  Like, you know, we stay hopeful, but part of real hope, I guess my point is if it's truly hope, then it involves an honesty.
[01:30:04]  And honesty in admitting that this situation is so dire, it actually requires hope.
[01:30:11]  The person who has never really even allowed themselves to take stock of all the opposition that stands before us is not actually a hopeful person.
[01:30:22]  They don't have any need of hope because they don't even recognize the danger.
[01:30:27]  And so being honest is actually what provides the opportunity for hope.
[01:30:33]  In the same way that being honest about how dire things are creates opportunity for real hope, being honest about how Frightening and terrifying things are, and likewise creates the opportunity for real courage.
[01:30:47]  Courage is, you know, strength in the face of fear.
[01:30:50]  And, but, but don't miss the last part.
[01:30:53]  You know, with our ministry, we do spend a lot of time giving you the nitty gritty and a real look at the dragon that stands before us.
[01:31:04]  And we don't mince words and we're honest about how sizable and how serious the threat is.
[01:31:11]  Really is, but don't lose the last part.
[01:31:13]  If we ever lose the last part that in giving credence to the real opposition that we're facing, if we ever do that to the extent we have to do it, but if we ever do it to the extent that we're despairing, if we ever do it to the extent where we don't have any hope at all, then we're just a right wing podcast at that point.
[01:31:34]  We're not really distinctly Christian anymore.
[01:31:37]  All right.
[01:31:39]  All right.
[01:31:39]  Last super chat HHS 9045.
[01:31:42]  They ask this question Why does Reformed theology often spiritualize the eternal nations in Revelation 21 24 through 26, ignoring the creational significance of biological distinctives and their glorified role surrounding the new Jerusalem?
[01:31:57]  The Reformed spiritualize the natural because that's what Reformed guys do.
[01:32:01]  I think Reformed theology is the most precise, intellectually robust tradition, Christian tradition, there is.
[01:32:09]  I mean, I am Reformed.
[01:32:10]  I obviously believe that.
[01:32:11]  But it can lead to, in many such cases, An over spiritualization to where you have guys thinking on these things all day long.
[01:32:19]  And at some level, they start to get disconnected from working hard with their hands, breaking a sweat, and getting down on their knees and playing with their kids.
[01:32:26]  And so I think spiritualizing nations, like, well, yes, Revelation says there's nations, but actually, technically, like, this is what it could be.
[01:32:34]  Like, no, it means nations, which means people that share a common ancestry.
[01:32:38]  And the reform problem with that, I think, is one that's kind of across the board the risk of being overly spiritual.
[01:32:45]  Part of it, I think, also, you know, to be fair to the Reformed tradition, part of it is because of the Reformed, you know, hermeneutic.
[01:32:54]  It's, you know, you think of like someone like John MacArthur who is not Reformed.
[01:32:59]  He was, you know, he was a Calvinist in his soteriology, his view of salvation, monergistic, God saves, but that's it.
[01:33:07]  I mean, he rejected basically every other Reformed doctrine there is.
[01:33:11]  Right.
[01:33:13]  And so it made sense for MacArthur.
[01:33:16]  God rest his soul.
[01:33:17]  He did a lot of good.
[01:33:18]  But it made sense for him not being reformed in any aspect other than soteriology.
[01:33:25]  It made perfect sense for him to be, you know, as in his own words, you know, using his own label, a leaky dispensationalist, right?
[01:33:33]  Because his hermeneutic, hermeneutic just means the lens that you use to interpret the scripture, to read the scripture, his hermeneutic was a literal, grammatical, historical hermeneutic.
[01:33:47]  Those were the three main pieces literal, grammatical, and historical.
[01:33:51]  So when he was reading scripture, and to steal Man MacArthur's position in his hermeneutic, you have to think of nobody does theology in a vacuum, right?
[01:34:03]  We're all products of place and time.
[01:34:05]  Ultimately, what we're saying is that as finite creatures, we're products of God's providence, where He places us, when He places us, who He places us among.
[01:34:18]  And so, in the case of MacArthur, you look at his life, what were the big dragons of the day?
[01:34:24]  Like, what were the big pieces of opposition that he was fighting against?
[01:34:28]  And a lot of it was people getting cute with the scriptures, people claiming to be Christian, but saying, well, the Bible doesn't really mean.
[01:34:40]  That two men can't marry each other.
[01:34:43]  The Bible doesn't really mean, like, people were getting loose with scripture, right?
[01:34:48]  You think of the 60s and the 70s, that's when MacArthur is being shaped and formed in his early ministry.
[01:34:55]  And it's the sexual revolution, and it's the degrading of biblical moral virtues and moral standards.
[01:35:04]  And the rhetoric that people were employing, they weren't just saying, oh, well, we've rejected Christianity.
[01:35:09]  No, they were all, you know, many of them still claiming to be Christian, but saying we now have the right way of reading the Bible.
[01:35:16]  Oh, and what is that?
[01:35:18]  Well, it's really the right way of reading the Bible is a loose way of reading the Bible that doesn't take God's word literally.
[01:35:26]  God doesn't literally mean that you can't be a homosexual.
[01:35:30]  God doesn't literally mean that you can't kill a baby in the womb.
[01:35:33]  God doesn't literally mean, you know, X, Y, and Z.
[01:35:36]  So that's what MacArthur was facing.
[01:35:38]  And so it kind of makes sense, right?
[01:35:40]  It's not a coincidence, right?
[01:35:41]  Again, we don't do ministry, we don't do the Christian life, we don't do theology in a vacuum.
[01:35:45]  His place, his time, God's providence, those are the dragons that he's facing.
[01:35:51]  And so he rooted himself, right, as a bulwark to stand against relativism.
[01:35:58]  He rooted himself in a literal, historical, grammatical hermeneutic.
[01:36:04]  It was rigid, it was tight.
[01:36:07]  And so to stave off people trying to make some twisted, you know, argument for why the scripture allows for this form of degeneracy.
[01:36:17]  He used the literal mechanism against it, but then that same mechanism caused him to be more dispensational.
[01:36:26]  It was like, well, the Bible says a man and a woman, it means a man and a woman.
[01:36:30]  But then he would turn around and the next breath say, well, if the Bible says Israel, it means the literal physical nation state.
[01:36:37]  Land of Israel.
[01:36:38]  The land of Israel, exactly.
[01:36:41]  And so my point is that I'm making kind of a larger point, but the Reformed have done that on the other side of the aisle.
[01:36:48]  So the Reformed.
[01:36:50]  Covenant theology, the historic position of the Reformed when it comes to Israel is supersessionism.
[01:37:00]  It's an allegorical position.
[01:37:02]  So it would have those pieces, those three pieces that I mentioned earlier of John MacArthur's hermeneutic, but at least one more.
[01:37:08]  It would be historical, literal, grammatical, and typological, typological, or allegorical, a way of leaving at least some room in the scripture.
[01:37:20]  To see things as symbols, as allegory, to see certain things as, back to the question, as spiritual.
[01:37:30]  And so the historic reform position as it pertains to Israel for us now under the new covenant is to say, well, these are promises that ultimately have their fulfillment in Christ and not in a people and physical land.
[01:37:50]  These are spiritual promises that have a spiritual fulfillment.
[01:37:55]  In the coming of Jesus.
[01:37:56]  And so Israel is the church.
[01:37:59]  It's the true and ultimate spiritual Israel.
[01:38:02]  And so, my point is that that allegorical piece of the reformed historic hermeneutic of reading the scripture has been positive in warding off Zionism and dispensationalism and those kinds of things.
[01:38:18]  But you can go too far if you don't have proper categories and then apply it across the board to every other natural distinction.
[01:38:26]  Say, you know, the church is true Israel.
[01:38:29]  And then you can also say, you know, like spiritual discipleship is all that matters.
[01:38:33]  And, you know, and, Physical training and working out and exercise isn't valuable at all.
[01:38:38]  And so you can be a covenant theologian and also weigh 300 pounds.
[01:38:43]  And it's like, I see how you got there.
[01:38:44]  I actually, I see that.
[01:38:45]  On the flip side, those who are not embracing covenant theology and supersessionism and these kinds of things, a reformed hermeneutic that includes the allegorical, typological piece, they would tend to be the ones who are more dispensational, Zionistic, and take a literal application for Israel.
[01:39:07]  You know, but then they would be more inclined, you would think logically, be more inclined to take a literal reading of other texts of scripture.
[01:39:14]  And the final thing I'll say is this the sad thing is that today, at this juncture, both Reformed Protestants and also, additionally, non Reformed Protestants have actually ended up with the worst of both sides of the equation, meaning that the Reformed guys who have the allegorical piece in their hermeneutic.
[01:39:40]  They've used that to over spiritualize natural distinctions, natural affections, you know, anything in the physical world except for Israel.
[01:39:49]  While being covenant theologians, they somehow have still carved out a place in their theology to write entire books on, you know, honey and milk and like Ashkenazi Jews being really, really, really important still today in 2025.
[01:40:07]  And then on the flip side, the, you know, the more dispensational, literal hermeneutic guys within the Protestant evangelical world.
[01:40:15]  They, you would expect, are really big on dispensationalism, Zionism, a literal understanding of Israel.
[01:40:22]  And yet they haven't applied the literal piece to natural affections and natural law and distinction.
[01:40:28]  So, what you've ended up with is the reformed allegorical guys, still functional Zionist, but also overweight and out of shape and not caring about anything natural whatsoever.
[01:40:40]  And then the more literal guys, of course, pro Israel, but also spiritualizing.
[01:40:46]  Everything that shouldn't be spiritualized, also 300 pounds and out of shape.
[01:40:50]  So you have John Hagee and John Frame.
[01:40:57]  How did we get there?
[01:40:58]  I don't know.
[01:40:59]  Doesn't make sense.
[01:41:00]  So I gave an explanation that I do think really does make sense.
[01:41:03]  And yet I have to nix it here at the end and say, I'm really at a loss.
[01:41:07]  I don't know how we got there.
[01:41:10]  All right.
[01:41:10]  That's my thought.
[01:41:11]  That's the last question of the day.
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