NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Responding to Critics: Fertility, Beauty, & Submission
Aired: 2025-12-04
Duration: 01:16:17


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[00:00:32]  So, Defiant Baptist went ahead and clipped out a short, brief moment from one of our past live streams.
[00:00:40]  In that moment, that brief clip, maybe two, three minutes long, we were talking about women and how there is a depreciating value when it comes to being, well, just an eligible bachelorette, desirable for marriage.
[00:00:57]  We were saying, as a woman ages, that beauty is fleeting, as the scripture says.
[00:01:02]  Speaking of physical.
[00:01:04]  Beauty.
[00:01:04]  We were also talking about a woman, the longer she lives outside of being under the headship of her father, but as an independent single woman, not coming under the headship of a husband, she's kind of growing, kind of set in her ways as being her own head and probably losing some flexibility and ability to submit to male headship.
[00:01:28]  We also talked about fertility, just the biological clock that is ticking a lot faster, a lot quicker than many women of the modern age would like.
[00:01:39]  To admit.
[00:01:39]  And so that was clipped out by Defiant Baptists and posted on X.
[00:01:44]  And I'm pleased to say that the people loved it.
[00:01:48]  They really did.
[00:01:49]  You could feel the Christmas cheer in the air.
[00:01:52]  I mean, people came out and drove saying, this is a kind of reasonable discourse that we need to see more of from pastors online.
[00:02:02]  Of course, I'm being sarcastic.
[00:02:04]  It was hated.
[00:02:05]  It is now up to, I believe, last time I checked, and this all just happened in the last 24 hours, I think the clip is up to over.
[00:02:13]  750,000 views, probably will hit a million soon enough.
[00:02:18]  And you'll probably be shocked to hear this.
[00:02:22]  But the vast majority of the pushback, the people who were losing their minds about this clip, were Christians, at least those who profess to be Christians, whether they are or not.
[00:02:35]  That's ultimately not for me to judge, the Lord knows.
[00:02:38]  But those who claim to be Christians saying, We absolutely hate this.
[00:02:44]  This is terrible.
[00:02:46]  And really beginning just out of an obstinance, right?
[00:02:51]  I have to be wrong after all.
[00:02:54]  So to make their counter arguments, really while claiming to be Christians, embracing full blown Gnosticism.
[00:03:01]  We'll show you some of the tweets.
[00:03:03]  I mean, some of them are, if they weren't so tragic, are quite comical.
[00:03:07]  Well, a man, if he really cared about the things of God, he should marry a woman who's 95 years old and a quadriplegic.
[00:03:17]  And it was really insane, really insane.
[00:03:21]  But whenever things like that tend to go viral, I think that there is a sense in which you can say you're over the target.
[00:03:29]  There's some kind of golden calf that's being cherished, you know, like Gollum in the Ring, my precious, some kind of precious idol that is being fiercely protected by many who, at least again, claim to be Christians, which means that today, given that fact, We're going to have to go and lean in even harder.
[00:03:52]  After careful consideration, brothers and sisters in Christ, I am pleased to announce that I have decided to become worse.
[00:04:00]  Tune in now.
[00:04:11]  All right, Wes, I'm going to turn it to you.
[00:04:13]  Welcome back.
[00:04:14]  You were replaced in our last live stream by the tree.
[00:04:18]  But since you're back, we decided to shut down the tree by turning it off.
[00:04:22]  We decided that.
[00:04:23]  We decided that.
[00:04:23]  That was conscious.
[00:04:24]  That was deliberate.
[00:04:25]  We talked about it.
[00:04:26]  There was symbology.
[00:04:27]  It was to say, look, Wes was gone.
[00:04:29]  So the tree was really thriving.
[00:04:31]  It was in its place.
[00:04:32]  It was speaking, you know, in a sense.
[00:04:36]  It really branched out.
[00:04:37]  I saw some of that.
[00:04:37]  And now the tree has been silenced.
[00:04:39]  And to represent that silence, we turned off the lights.
[00:04:42]  Actually, that was completely an accident.
[00:04:43]  So, I'm going to let you go ahead and start the episode, and I'm going to try to figure out how to turn on this tree.
[00:04:47]  Good luck.
[00:04:49]  So, I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to pull up a tweet here.
[00:04:51]  As you mentioned, the clip went out, right?
[00:04:53]  The call went out, and immediately, I think just even the way Defiant Baptist framed it, he framed it well.
[00:04:58]  He framed what we said, which is there are three things that a woman primarily brings to the table.
[00:05:03]  Incredible.
[00:05:04]  What was that, 15 seconds?
[00:05:05]  That was a little bit of a first try kind of guy right there.
[00:05:08]  That's a first try.
[00:05:09]  Three things a woman brings to the table.
[00:05:11]  These are not the only things.
[00:05:13]  But three things, generally speaking.
[00:05:14]  The way that I worded it in the clip, fantastic.
[00:05:17]  Stand by it 100%.
[00:05:19]  The way that I framed it in the tweet could have been better because I said the most valuable assets.
[00:05:26]  And that's not true.
[00:05:26]  Like when it comes to pursuing a woman, if we're talking about everything that can be listed as an asset, beauty is an asset.
[00:05:34]  Physical beauty is an asset.
[00:05:35]  It's not wrong to say this is a benefit, this is a valuable thing, this matters.
[00:05:40]  There's plenty of scripture that would support that point.
[00:05:43]  So there's nothing wrong with that.
[00:05:44]  And fertility.
[00:05:45]  Like biological, physical fertility, that this woman would be able ordinarily to give birth to a legacy, our family legacy and posterity, my name, my lineage.
[00:05:56]  The Bible, of course, esteems and champions that.
[00:05:58]  So that's, again, a value.
[00:06:00]  And submission.
[00:06:00]  I mean, you think of all the scriptures in the New Testament, 1 Peter chapter 3, you know, that speaking of Sarah, the women of old, holy women of old, who she referred to her own husband as Lord, lowercase l, Lord, sir, with a.
[00:06:17]  A manner of respect.
[00:06:18]  And that is.
[00:06:18]  And we just had David Edgington on talking about how off the rails families go when a woman doesn't bring submission.
[00:06:24]  Right.
[00:06:24]  When she's insulted.
[00:06:25]  She destroys it.
[00:06:25]  Absolutely.
[00:06:26]  So all those things are true.
[00:06:28]  They're obviously true, blatantly true.
[00:06:32]  The phrasing in my tweet where I said, these are the most valuable, the most valuable.
[00:06:39]  Three of the most.
[00:06:40]  Or three of the most.
[00:06:41]  Yes.
[00:06:42]  So even that, you know, I gave myself an out.
[00:06:44]  If you say, well, there's the top 30 most valuable, and these are three of those, or the top 10 most valuable, and these are three of those.
[00:06:51]  Then I think that's fair, but I think that's part of what set people off.
[00:06:55]  I think I could have maybe framed that more carefully, but the clip itself is a bit biased, but I would say trying to be as reasonable as possible, right?
[00:07:07]  Exercising sober judgment.
[00:07:08]  I'm going to say the clip itself is just fantastic.
[00:07:12]  Just top tier.
[00:07:13]  Just top tier.
[00:07:13]  I mean, just your best.
[00:07:15]  Like borderline infallible, not quite there, but I mean, just fantastic.
[00:07:20]  It's like that guy, it's very clearly he was cooking.
[00:07:23]  And so the clip itself is fantastic.
[00:07:25]  The framing, you know, in the tweet, I get a little autistic about it.
[00:07:30]  That could have been better.
[00:07:31]  But here's the deal a lot of the reaction was not, oh, because of your framing and what you were.
[00:07:35]  No, it was people who watched the clip and they hated it.
[00:07:40]  They hated it.
[00:07:40]  Actually, making the argument, no, her bringing those things to the marriage doesn't matter at all.
[00:07:44]  Beauty, look on the spiritual aspects.
[00:07:47]  Fertility, nope, that doesn't matter as well.
[00:07:48]  The only thing that matters is just the quiet spirit of 1 Peter 3.
[00:07:52]  All of nature, all the things that make men and women join together, inhabit a home, have children.
[00:07:58]  It doesn't matter if she brings that to the table.
[00:08:00]  All that matters is these kind of abstract, ethereal elements.
[00:08:03]  Does she bring this?
[00:08:03]  Does she bring that?
[00:08:04]  And everything else, so far down the list, you can't even see it.
[00:08:08]  Right.
[00:08:08]  There's an ARP minister, Benjamin Glacier.
[00:08:10]  Well, I was going to say so there's right response ministries.
[00:08:13]  Right.
[00:08:13]  But I think a lot of people overlook this.
[00:08:15]  There are right responses, but there are also retarded responses.
[00:08:19]  And I want to give credit where credit is due.
[00:08:21]  So, in terms of responses to this clip from me, there's right response, but there's also retarded response.
[00:08:30]  And I feel like retarded response of the year.
[00:08:34]  And this, like, it'd be one thing if it was January right now.
[00:08:36]  It's like, okay, well, you know, the verdict's still out.
[00:08:38]  It's early front runner, but.
[00:08:39]  No, but man, here we are at the very end of the year of our Lord 2025.
[00:08:43]  So, there's been a lot of retarded responses to this ministry.
[00:08:46]  I mean, a lot.
[00:08:48]  How many millions of views are we counting this year?
[00:08:50]  10 to 20 million for you alone.
[00:08:52]  All the wonderful.
[00:08:53]  If we're talking about all the clips.
[00:08:55]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:08:56]  Yeah.
[00:08:56]  20, 30.
[00:08:57]  Yeah.
[00:08:58]  And a lot of ridiculous responses.
[00:09:00]  Right.
[00:09:00]  And yet, I think I can say with a great degree of confidence that this might win retarded response of the year.
[00:09:09]  2025 most retarded response was to this clip that we're talking about from this individual that you were just beginning to reference.
[00:09:18]  And I think it needs to be, you know, we need receipts.
[00:09:20]  It needs to be seen on the screen because people won't believe it.
[00:09:22]  They'll think, no, you just made that up.
[00:09:24]  No real person actually said that.
[00:09:26]  I don't have this one for the screen, but I'll read it out for you.
[00:09:28]  Okay.
[00:09:28]  Generational.
[00:09:29]  Just generational.
[00:09:30]  Generational.
[00:09:30]  You can't just do this.
[00:09:31]  You can't manufacture this bad of a response in a lab.
[00:09:34]  This has to just flow from deep within you.
[00:09:37]  Benjamin Glasser, an ARP, so reformed minister, that's, you know, self attested, he responded to this.
[00:09:44]  So he's responding to you sharing the clip and he said, I know this guy, so Joel, is just a troll and shouldn't be taken seriously.
[00:09:52]  But this is demonic idiocy.
[00:09:55]  So, three of the most valuable assets a woman brings into marriage beauty, fertility, and submission.
[00:10:00]  This is demonic idiocy.
[00:10:02]  A woman's value is not based on her fertility or outward beauty.
[00:10:07]  This Eli condemns Hannah and praises Penena.
[00:10:12]  May God have mercy.
[00:10:13]  He's referencing the biblical story where a man has two wives.
[00:10:17]  That's not all.
[00:10:18]  That's not all.
[00:10:19]  There's more.
[00:10:20]  Yeah.
[00:10:20]  It gets worse.
[00:10:22]  I. Being a minister, he should know for one the scriptures.
[00:10:26]  There's a lot that nature teaches about this.
[00:10:28]  We'll get into that in the second segment on fertility.
[00:10:30]  But as it relates to beauties, let's take the first one apart.
[00:10:32]  So he says, A woman's value is not based on her beauty.
[00:10:34]  And absolutely true.
[00:10:35]  A woman's value is not the only thing.
[00:10:36]  The only thing it rests on, the only thing that she could possibly bring is beauty.
[00:10:40]  That's not true at all.
[00:10:41]  But practically speaking, we just have to recognize that is how the world works.
[00:10:46]  Nature was not just created in a vacuum, that God sent it spinning, and oh, it turns out human beings like this and they like that and they like this element.
[00:10:55]  God made the world and he made the world and he arranged it in a certain way.
[00:10:58]  And there's some things, of course, they're sin and they're wrong with it.
[00:11:00]  So, okay, this is not something that we'll see when God comes back.
[00:11:07]  This is what we will not see in a new heavens and a new earth, this thing.
[00:11:10]  But there's other things like the recognition of beauty that we will absolutely see.
[00:11:14]  Heaven will be beautiful, for instance.
[00:11:16]  That's not something because of the fall, that's not something because of all the mistakes or flaws within man.
[00:11:21]  Beauty is an objective reality that God himself created.
[00:11:25]  God Himself made.
[00:11:26]  And what we're saying with this is, hey, this is just something practically that drives human beings together.
[00:11:31]  I think of Genesis 29, verses 17 through 18.
[00:11:35]  It says, it's comparing Rachel and Leah, the two sisters.
[00:11:38]  It says, Leah, such as she uses, it's probably a term to a type of lazy eye.
[00:11:43]  Her attention, her focus wasn't ideal.
[00:11:47]  Rachel, it says, was beautiful in form and appearance, and Jacob loved Rachel.
[00:11:51]  It's drawing the contrast.
[00:11:52]  So there's Jacob, there's Leah, and there's Rachel.
[00:11:55]  Jacob, well, Leah, his one wife, he has less affection for.
[00:11:58]  Rachel was beautiful in form and appearance, and Jacob loved her.
[00:12:02]  Now, scripture isn't recommending that, so that is not a prescriptive text.
[00:12:05]  So, in the same way, Jacob loved the beauty of Rachel.
[00:12:09]  That's the way all men should be.
[00:12:10]  They should, if they have their choice of women, only ever go for the most beautiful.
[00:12:14]  It's not the way all men should be.
[00:12:15]  Nope.
[00:12:16]  It's the way all men are.
[00:12:17]  It's recognizing that's how men are.
[00:12:19]  It's not a prescriptive text, it's a descriptive text, but it's describing something normative.
[00:12:24]  Exactly.
[00:12:25]  And there's nowhere in the Bible that condemns that, that says, hey, you know what?
[00:12:29]  It is wrong for men to be attracted to physical beauty.
[00:12:33]  What's wrong is to be attracted to physical beauty at the expense of.
[00:12:36]  Of inward character, spiritual beauty, or to be attracted to physical beauty that is outside the bounds of marriage, that would become adulterous.
[00:12:44]  So there are certainly guidelines that the scripture gives us.
[00:12:47]  But in terms of Jacob at that point being a single man looking for a spouse and saying, Yeah, Rachel was lovely, physically lovely.
[00:12:58]  And for him to say he desired that, the scripture does not condemn that.
[00:13:02]  He originally works for Rachel, not Leah.
[00:13:04]  Leah is given to him from the seed.
[00:13:05]  And he goes back and has to work seven more years.
[00:13:07]  And he's willing to do it because.
[00:13:09]  Of her personality and her sweetness.
[00:13:11]  No, he does it at some level because he's attracted to her.
[00:13:13]  There's a whole book, like this is a minister saying this.
[00:13:16]  There's a whole book celebrating mutual affection in marriage.
[00:13:20]  I'll leave it at that.
[00:13:21]  The Song of Solomon.
[00:13:22]  Nowhere condemning, nowhere speaking negatively of it, but saying, hey, here's two people, and on a natural plane, there's of course imagery of Christ and the church, the true image of marriage.
[00:13:32]  But even on a natural plane, these two people are very attracted to each other.
[00:13:36]  And why is that?
[00:13:36]  Again, is it personality?
[00:13:38]  Is masculine.
[00:13:39]  Frame her feminine spirit.
[00:13:41]  Nope, they go through and they describe physical attributes that they love about one another.
[00:13:46]  And then to use the scripture as well, as far as fertility goes, think of Psalm 128.
[00:13:51]  We know Psalm 127.
[00:13:52]  Blessed is the man whose quiver is full, referring to children.
[00:13:55]  They're like arrows to be shot out.
[00:13:57]  Children are a blessing from the Lord.
[00:13:59]  We know that.
[00:13:59]  That's Psalm 127.
[00:14:01]  But it actually is followed up by Psalm 128.
[00:14:03]  And with Psalm 128, it actually says, Blessed is the man who fears the Lord.
[00:14:08]  And it goes on to begin to describe in what ways is He blessed.
[00:14:12]  So, this man who fears the Lord, how is he blessed?
[00:14:15]  How is his life arranged?
[00:14:16]  And it says, well, he's blessed in his work.
[00:14:18]  He's happy in what he does.
[00:14:20]  And his wife is like a fruitful vine.
[00:14:22]  Okay, so his wife is a fruitful vine.
[00:14:24]  In what way?
[00:14:24]  She bakes pies for him.
[00:14:25]  Let's not overlook that fact.

=== Compassion in Physical Attributes (15:57) ===

[00:14:27]  Sure, that may be a part of it.
[00:14:28]  Well, she works hard and she secures land or wealth.
[00:14:31]  Well, the scriptures tell us in what way his wife is blessed and fruitful.
[00:14:35]  His table is surrounded by children that are like olive shoots.
[00:14:38]  So, the Bible itself says, hey, look at the man that fears God and obeys his wife.
[00:14:42]  Real quick, though, let's be specific with our language.
[00:14:45]  It matters.
[00:14:46]  His table was filled with children born out of in vitro from a woman who was 45 years old.
[00:14:51]  Yes.
[00:14:52]  Right?
[00:14:52]  Is that, I think that's the fine print, right?
[00:14:54]  Isn't that in the ESV commentary?
[00:14:57]  I looked at the NIV and didn't have that, the ESV.
[00:14:59]  No.
[00:15:00]  No.
[00:15:00]  His wife made him a lot of babies.
[00:15:02]  But they were allowed to use in vitro, knowing that, you know, the vast majority of those fertilized eggs, which are human beings made in the image of God, would be permanently frozen and then later discarded.
[00:15:13]  So incarcerated without trial and then executed without trial.
[00:15:17]  And that was totally fine because at the end of the day, She wasn't ready to get married when she was 25.
[00:15:22]  She needed to wait until she was 35 to get married and then ultimately have some pop out a few more kids when she's 40, 45, because she's a boss babe and she had better things to do.
[00:15:32]  I mean, she needed to get that college degree and the master's and the education.
[00:15:36]  She needed to work as an attorney.
[00:15:36]  Right.
[00:15:36]  And she needed to work as an attorney.
[00:15:38]  It needed to happen.
[00:15:39]  And how dare a bigoted, misogynistic minister such as myself say anything otherwise?
[00:15:47]  Right.
[00:15:48]  The blessed man who obeys God, his table is surrounded by tons of children.
[00:15:52]  He made the old fashioned way.
[00:15:54]  That's what the Bible says.
[00:15:55]  The old fashioned way.
[00:15:56]  The old fashioned way.
[00:15:57]  Which tends to be in her youth.
[00:16:00]  Right.
[00:16:00]  In her youth.
[00:16:01]  We'll get to in the second segment the statistics on fertility.
[00:16:03]  It's just a biological reality.
[00:16:06]  But real quick, without further ado, let me get to Benjamin Glazer.
[00:16:11]  Go ahead.
[00:16:12]  So, you read the original post, his first response.
[00:16:14]  There's so many to pick.
[00:16:15]  It's hard.
[00:16:16]  There's so many, man.
[00:16:16]  I mean, he is in here.
[00:16:18]  God bless him.
[00:16:18]  Just boosting my engagement off the charts for free.
[00:16:22]  For free.
[00:16:23]  We don't even pay him.
[00:16:25]  And we probably should.
[00:16:26]  Honestly, end of the year, somebody log this away.
[00:16:29]  We probably should pay some royalties.
[00:16:32]  But, anyways.
[00:16:33]  So, this is him responding to somebody who's responding to him that's responding to somebody that's responding, you know, back and forth.
[00:16:38]  You know, he's all over in the comments.
[00:16:40]  But at one point, he says, Choosing, I'm quoting, choosing not to marry someone because of what you believe to be a physical defect is in fact denying their humanity.
[00:16:54]  It is in the same ethical category as aborting a child because of clinical testing.
[00:17:01]  Those who God has brought together.
[00:17:07]  And dot, dot, dot.
[00:17:09]  Let no man separate his life.
[00:17:11]  Let no man separate.
[00:17:12]  That's what he's alluding to.
[00:17:13]  So let me read again, because I mean, this is staggering.
[00:17:16]  He said, choosing, right?
[00:17:17]  So if a man is choosing not to marry someone because of what he believes to be physically unpleasing, undesirable, a physical defect, something like that, that is him, in fact, denying that woman's humanity.
[00:17:34]  It is in the same ethical category as abortion.
[00:17:39]  Choosing to abort a child because of clinical testing and realizing that the child has some kind of physical defect.
[00:17:47]  Those who God has brought together, let no man put asunder.
[00:17:51]  Okay, that is that last line.
[00:17:53]  The reason why I began to hesitate in even reading is because it's completely irrelevant.
[00:17:57]  It has nothing to do with the rest of his post.
[00:18:00]  Nobody is advocating for divorce.
[00:18:02]  Nobody's saying, hey, if a woman develops some kind of physically less and desirable trait post marriage, Post marriage, that he should send her away.
[00:18:15]  No, that would be wicked.
[00:18:17]  Right.
[00:18:17]  That would be wicked.
[00:18:19]  God would hate that.
[00:18:21]  We would, if they were members in our church, absolutely excommunicate that man if he did not immediately repent of that and change that course of action.
[00:18:32]  But that's not what we're talking about.
[00:18:34]  We're talking about a single man and who he chooses to marry.
[00:18:38]  And I'm going to say something, Wes.
[00:18:39]  I prepped you for this, I told you ahead of time.
[00:18:42]  So that you, I didn't want you to be caught off guard here, or you know, I should have told Tree about it, but uh, Tree is probably unprepared, the lights might go out.
[00:18:49]  Um, but here's the reality obviously, if you're a minister and you're giving counsel, you don't need to necessarily solicit this without having been asked, you don't need to do it in a crude way or a mean spirited way.
[00:19:05]  There needs to be some serious, um, compassion, candor in the way that this is communicated.
[00:19:13]  But I'm going to say it, and I'm not going to say it meanly, but it does need to be said.
[00:19:16]  And I'm saying it in this context because it's a lot more painful to be said face to face to singling out one individual person.
[00:19:25]  But I do hope, I do hope that if some women are listening, that they would hear it in this context, having the luxury, the privilege of being remote and not being seen and not being put to shame, not being embarrassed, because I don't have any desire to do that.
[00:19:40]  I want to be clear.
[00:19:41]  That said, here's the advice for.
[00:19:45]  Young single women who want to be married and feel as though they're being passed over.
[00:19:51]  The advice is there are many things, many things that you can do.
[00:19:54]  The chief thing, of course, being trusting the Lord and making the desires of your heart known to the Lord in prayer.
[00:20:01]  God, I eagerly desire to be a wife and a mother.
[00:20:05]  If it be your will, would you send me a husband?
[00:20:09]  That's pivotal.
[00:20:10]  Being in a good local church where there are godly men, asking your father to help, talking to the elders to see if they might know of a single man who might be a compatible suitor, all those things.
[00:20:24]  Here's another piece of advice, and people don't like it.
[00:20:26]  This is the kind of thing that your Benjamin Glacier would lose his ever loving mind.
[00:20:30]  And everybody, you know, this will probably get clipped out and we'll go viral all again, right?
[00:20:34]  Run it back, right?
[00:20:35]  Two for two.
[00:20:36]  Here's another thing lose 20 to 30 pounds.
[00:20:43]  I'm a young woman.
[00:20:44]  I'm a Christian.
[00:20:45]  I love the Lord.
[00:20:46]  I'm not a boss babe.
[00:20:48]  I'm not insubordinate.
[00:20:50]  I'm not rebellious.
[00:20:52]  I actually believe conservative, traditional, biblical values.
[00:20:56]  I want to be.
[00:20:57]  A wife who is submissive to my husband, as Ephesians, the scripture clearly teaches.
[00:21:02]  I want to be a mother.
[00:21:04]  I don't want to postpone marriage and procrastinate in this prolonged adolescence.
[00:21:11]  No, I actually desire the things that the Bible clearly esteems, that I know God wills for me.
[00:21:19]  And yet, I just feel like I'm being ignored.
[00:21:23]  I feel like I'm being passed over.
[00:21:24]  I don't want, because I want to practice towards being a submissive wife one day before becoming a wife, I don't want to be.
[00:21:31]  Aggressive and domineering, and go and pursue a man.
[00:21:33]  I want to be pursued.
[00:21:35]  That's good.
[00:21:36]  That's a good innate sentiment.
[00:21:40]  That's the right direction that your heart, that's all that's really good.
[00:21:44]  And you might be thinking, why am I being passed over?
[00:21:49]  There could be a lot of reasons, but one common one is you could perhaps need to maybe be intentional.
[00:22:01]  Over the next three to six months in a healthy way to strive to lose 20 to 30 pounds.
[00:22:09]  But here's the deal: those kinds of things, fathers won't say, brothers won't say, pastors won't say, men won't say, because happy wife, happy life.
[00:22:22]  I can never say that.
[00:22:23]  My wife would beat me when I get home.
[00:22:26]  Because a lot of men are subservient little lapdogs, and their wife absolutely is wearing the pants.
[00:22:31]  And they're afraid that if they say something like that, like I just did, it'll get clipped out and go viral.
[00:22:35]  And I know that that's very likely to take place, but I don't care.
[00:22:38]  Why?
[00:22:38]  Because I'm misogynistic.
[00:22:39]  No, because I love women.
[00:22:41]  I actually don't want them to be passed over.
[00:22:43]  I don't want them to make it into their 30s.
[00:22:46]  God forbid, even their 40s.
[00:22:48]  And they love the Lord and they want to be mothers.
[00:22:51]  And the fertility window closes in real time and they're watching it close without a suitor.
[00:22:57]  Where all along, if anyone actually loved those women, instead of just loving yourself and your own reputation and loving your own.
[00:23:06]  Your own protection because I don't want to be criticized publicly online.
[00:23:11]  I'm actually willing to be criticized publicly in order to tell women the truth so that they might live more God pleasing, satisfying, fulfilled lives.
[00:23:23]  That's the opposite of misogyny.
[00:23:25]  That's actually loving women.
[00:23:27]  It's actually loving women to say, hey, you know what?
[00:23:30]  One of the things that might be a cause for you not being able to find a spouse, but But nobody's been willing to tell you because they're all uncomfortable and don't want to be seen as mean.
[00:23:41]  One of the things might be that men actually are attracted to physical beauty, and that's not inherently shallow or immoral or wrong.
[00:23:49]  And one of the things right now for you that would somewhat drastically increase your physical attractiveness is losing some weight.
[00:24:02]  The reason men prefer that, so men are not the bad guys here.
[00:24:04]  Well, men need to change their standards.
[00:24:06]  No, every 10, 20, 30 pounds that any individual, and this is man or woman that is overweight, drastically impacts their health.
[00:24:13]  And drastically impacts their fertility.
[00:24:15]  Men who get type 2 diabetes, they're severely overweight, they have a hard time conceiving.
[00:24:20]  Like practically speaking, a man who's slothful in that way will get to the point where he can't even do the manly task of sireing children.
[00:24:28]  And likewise for women, as they are overweight, they're going to have hormonal difficulties that make it much more difficult to have children.
[00:24:35]  They're going to make the pregnancies more complicated.
[00:24:38]  And so when men look at a woman and they say, she's cute, she's nice, but I do feel like she could lose weight, some of what they're getting at, even if they don't consciously know it, Is that biologically, men have attraction to certain features.
[00:24:50]  One of those features they don't have an attraction to is the weight.
[00:24:52]  And that's because historically.
[00:24:54]  Being overweight is what you're saying?
[00:24:56]  Yeah.
[00:24:56]  Yes.
[00:24:56]  Being overweight.
[00:24:57]  One of the reasons they're not attracted to women that are overweight is that historically, men that had children with women that were of lesser weight had children that were healthier, children that didn't have gestational diabetes, children that made it farther.
[00:25:08]  It's fascinating.
[00:25:09]  Most people have probably seen this, but just in case you haven't, it's not just, well, men are shallow, men are vain.
[00:25:16]  I mean, sin.
[00:25:17]  Is always crouching like a tiger at the door, seeking to devour you, to have you, like God said of Cain.
[00:25:23]  So sin will never miss any opportunity to take something that's innately good and pervert it.
[00:25:28]  So, sure, there can be a sinful lust.
[00:25:32]  Of course, the Bible is filled with verses and warnings about that.
[00:25:35]  However, at the same time, it's not just arbitrary, it's not just vanity, it's not just random.
[00:25:42]  When you think of, like in the case of Jacob, he was attracted to Rachel, it says her form and appearance.
[00:25:50]  Her form, right?
[00:25:51]  And there's other verses that speak of Esther, other verses in the Bible that speak specifically of both appearance, meaning her face was lovely, but also form.
[00:26:00]  Yep.
[00:26:01]  Why?
[00:26:02]  Why form?
[00:26:03]  Why are we talking about a woman's physical, her body, and not just size, but form?
[00:26:11]  Another way it could be translated shape.
[00:26:13]  Shape.
[00:26:14]  Why?
[00:26:15]  Because there are actually scientific, proven, biological correlations between a woman of this shape and Fertility.
[00:26:25]  An hourglass shape, essentially.
[00:26:27]  Yep, an hourglass shape.
[00:26:28]  And you can look at the studies.
[00:26:30]  A woman who has an hourglass shape statistically has a far, not negligible, far greater likelihood of being fertile.
[00:26:40]  So even the things that in our physical bodies that men are attracted to in a woman, even that, it's not, can it be lust?
[00:26:53]  Can it be sinful?
[00:26:54]  Of course, of course.
[00:26:56]  But But it's not inherently sinful for a single man to physically be attracted to a woman.
[00:27:02]  And the things that he tends to be attracted to are not, here's my big point, they're not an accident.
[00:27:09]  Right.
[00:27:10]  God actually designed it that way.
[00:27:12]  That design has been perverted by sin, but the original design actually is good.
[00:27:18]  And it's good because it's purposeful.
[00:27:21]  There's reason and rhyme to it.
[00:27:24]  And the rhyme and reason behind God's design for the particular types of physical traits that men are attracted to in women is those particular physical traits are indicators, signposts pointing towards viability in childbearing.
[00:27:45]  Exactly.
[00:27:46]  I asked Benjamin a little bit later on should a 23 year old man be perfectly happy with marrying a 40 year old woman, assuming she has all of, besides age, All of the qualifiers of a biblical wife.
[00:27:57]  She's quiet.
[00:27:57]  She's got all the spiritual character.
[00:28:00]  All of those things.
[00:28:01]  23 year old man, 40 year old woman.
[00:28:04]  And he said, yes, absolutely.
[00:28:05]  Which I do appreciate that.
[00:28:06]  The man is being consistent.
[00:28:08]  Yeah.
[00:28:08]  Because the consistent, logical end of his argument is like, you never go full retard, but this requires full retard.
[00:28:16]  So do it.
[00:28:17]  But I appreciate the discipline.
[00:28:18]  He's like, I know what I've said and I know where it takes me, but I will not back down.
[00:28:24]  I'm going to double down all the way to full retardation.
[00:28:26]  Exactly.
[00:28:27]  And he did it.
[00:28:27]  And God bless him for the courage.
[00:28:29]  I was going to say, and it's just, it's absolutely, you're just denying whole swaths of creation that God has made.
[00:28:34]  What men are attracted to, how people typically pair.
[00:28:37]  We talked about this in the episode that the clip is from.
[00:28:39]  Men generally marry younger.
[00:28:41]  That's because as a man gets older, he's generally more successful in his career.
[00:28:45]  He has more money.
[00:28:45]  He matures a little bit later than women mature.
[00:28:48]  And women, typically, their fertility is highest in their early 20s.
[00:28:52]  You can hate that all you want.
[00:28:53]  That's how God has made the world.
[00:28:55]  And what guys like him are doing, you have to see it.
[00:28:58]  They are taking nature and they're saying, we are going to flatten it out.
[00:29:02]  There is no woman more beautiful than the next that you should make any decision on based on marriage.
[00:29:07]  There's no woman more fertile than the next that you should base your marriage choice on.
[00:29:12]  Flatten everything, flatten all of it.
[00:29:14]  There's no distinctions, no hierarchy.
[00:29:16]  No one is more attractive than someone else, more fertile than someone else, a better mate than someone else.
[00:29:20]  It's all these abstract spiritual qualities, which are intangible, can't be touched, can't be measured.
[00:29:27]  And they go in and they destroy nature with a hammer.
[00:29:30]  What is our problem in our society right now if not the denial of nature, the denial of patriotism, the denial of having a home, the denial of the reality of men and women?
[00:29:39]  At every avenue, we've denied natural categories, natural ways of thinking, natural ways that God has made the world.
[00:29:45]  We denied all of it.
[00:29:46]  And we are in a hellhole.
[00:29:48]  And reformed ministers are right here carrying the water, supporting a free woman in the future.
[00:29:54]  Let me run out in front.
[00:29:55]  Let me carry water.
[00:29:57]  Nature doesn't matter a bit.
[00:29:58]  You're attracted to that woman?
[00:30:00]  Bad.
[00:30:01]  You should go and marry someone who is 20 years your senior.
[00:30:04]  You will never have.
[00:30:04]  If you were really spiritual, you would find a hag.
[00:30:08]  You would go to the nursing home.
[00:30:09]  You would go to the nursing home, find a woman that's completely barren, and you would marry her because of her character.
[00:30:16]  And never have the blessings of the psalm says.
[00:30:19]  So a young man, he's 23 years old, he hears this terrible advice.
[00:30:22]  Yep.
[00:30:22]  And heaven forbid he takes it.

=== Messing With God's Creation (07:00) ===

[00:30:24]  Well, then he's going to read the Bible one day.
[00:30:27]  He's going to go, oh, wait, my home isn't filled with children.
[00:30:30]  And I may love this woman and I'm committed to her.
[00:30:32]  The wife that I married is godly.
[00:30:34]  Yeah.
[00:30:34]  She is my sister in Christ and my wife now because I made this decision and I'm to cherish her and honor her and love her and provide and protect.
[00:30:41]  But she's not a fruitful vine.
[00:30:44]  No, she's not.
[00:30:48]  And I was hoodwinked by reformed ministers.
[00:30:51]  Exactly.
[00:30:53]  I remember this was like a big talk of the town, it was going around in the Twitter streets, you know, and it kind of comes back and back.
[00:31:00]  It's like there's like a church calendar, right?
[00:31:03]  The church calendar of like, did David, you know, RAP Bathsheba, or did Bathsheba know what she was doing, bathing naked on the roof in view of the king's quarters?
[00:31:13]  What could happen up here?
[00:31:14]  I think she knew what she was doing.
[00:31:16]  David absolutely sinned, but I don't think that she was innocent.
[00:31:20]  I think that she sinned as well.
[00:31:21]  I think there was a mutual sin there.
[00:31:23]  But that's a recurring one.
[00:31:24]  Another one is wine versus Welch's juice in the Lord's Supper.
[00:31:29]  That's a classic church calendar.
[00:31:33]  And then another one tends to be should Christian men, is it their duty, if they were really godly, if they were really spiritual, to find the single mother in church and marry her, right?
[00:31:48]  And pass up the other women who have not.
[00:31:53]  Already been married and through a divorce, you know, or had children out of wedlock or, you know, whatever, in order to get in that situation.
[00:31:59]  And the reality is that that woman who has children and is single, right, whether she's been divorced or was out of wedlock, she could be fully repentant, she could be godly, she could be physically beautiful still and somewhat young.
[00:32:11]  Maybe she's 30, you know, not 20, but 30.
[00:32:15]  But there's been, we've seen the campaigns, right?
[00:32:18]  We've seen all the campaigns for like adoption is better than procreation.
[00:32:24]  Yep.
[00:32:24]  And if you want to be really spiritual, You can't just adopt some white kid, right?
[00:32:29]  I mean, come on.
[00:32:30]  Are you a monster?
[00:32:32]  You adopt, you get in there and you adopt a Chinese baby, like Chris Tomlin, right?
[00:32:37]  You know, you get in there and you adopt a Haitian.
[00:32:39]  You get in there and you adopt from the other side of the world and blah, blah, blah.
[00:32:42]  And ideally, multiple, as many as possible.
[00:32:43]  As many as possible.
[00:32:44]  Do you love Jesus or not, right?
[00:32:47]  You defy every natural instinct or you don't love Jesus.
[00:32:52]  So you want to actually have children.
[00:32:55]  There's something in you internally.
[00:32:56]  You can feel like, I want children.
[00:32:59]  Who comes from me?
[00:33:02]  Well, you deny that.
[00:33:03]  And you adopt children who came from as far from you as you can possibly imagine.
[00:33:07]  I mean, geographically, genetically, at every level, you go and you adopt somebody else's kid, and you make sure that that kid is nothing like you.
[00:33:17]  Marriage, I want a young, fruitful vine.
[00:33:22]  You get a shriveled, old vine that already bore its fruit for someone else, but now it's going to be your obligation.
[00:33:31]  Nationalism?
[00:33:32]  Nope.
[00:33:34]  Problematic.
[00:33:35]  Christian nationalism is okay.
[00:33:37]  But ethno, which literally means NATO nation.
[00:33:40]  NATO nation.
[00:33:41]  So ethno nationalism, another way to wear that, just to be clear, is national nationalism?
[00:33:47]  Bad.
[00:33:49]  Ethno nationalism.
[00:33:51]  Can we just all agree?
[00:33:52]  That is the most redundant phrase I've ever heard.
[00:33:55]  Ethno nationalism.
[00:33:56]  You mean national nationalism?
[00:33:58]  Nation nationalism.
[00:33:59]  Nation nationalism.
[00:34:00]  Bad.
[00:34:01]  As bad as adultery, some are saying.
[00:34:04]  Right.
[00:34:05]  Let's just put in, let's make it really plain here.
[00:34:07]  We won't mince words.
[00:34:08]  If Japan, you said this, Wes.
[00:34:11]  I did.
[00:34:11]  If Japan, by the grace of God, experienced national revival, like Nineveh, genuine, like the men of Nineveh, Jesus even said, will rise up and judge with Christ these Jewish towns in the judgment because the men of Nineveh, at the preaching of Jonah, actually repented.
[00:34:27]  So it was a genuine repentance, not just outward, not just temporal, but a true regeneration by the Holy Spirit.
[00:34:32]  Nineveh was saved.
[00:34:34]  They were.
[00:34:35]  According to Jesus, we see this in the Gospels.
[00:34:38]  If Japan experienced that kind of revival, national revival, just like the entire city of Nineveh, which was the capital city of Assyria, some would argue, you know, 120,000 minimum as its population.
[00:34:49]  I would say that that's the children there that didn't know the left from the right in a literal sense.
[00:34:54]  And so probably about 500,000, a half a million people, residents in this capital city of Assyria at the time.
[00:35:00]  And God saved the whole town, the whole city.
[00:35:03]  Massive.
[00:35:04]  Let's say he did that with Japan.
[00:35:06]  Well, there are some who are saying that if Japan experienced genuine, bona fide national revival, they would have to quickly, as a sign of their newfound salvation and discipleship and following of Jesus Christ, would have to open their national borders and take on a significant because right now, Japan is 97% ethnically Japanese.
[00:35:29]  So they would have to open up their borders immediately and doing good works and keeping with repentance and start diluting their national population.
[00:35:39]  Taking on mass amounts of immigrants.
[00:35:42]  That's the logical conclusion.
[00:35:43]  Or, let me stress real quick, according to Reformed ministers, or to do otherwise would be equivalent to a Christian committing adultery.
[00:35:55]  That was literally said.
[00:35:57]  Right.
[00:35:57]  Like this week.
[00:36:00]  Like we are reaching levels of insanity previously thought impossible.
[00:36:07]  No one would surely say these things.
[00:36:09]  Oh, but that they are.
[00:36:10]  That's what you have to realize.
[00:36:12]  If you want to tie it all together and find the common denominator, this is what it is Satan, and it is satanic.
[00:36:18]  Satan hates nature.
[00:36:22]  Why?
[00:36:22]  Because Satan hates God.
[00:36:23]  But he who sits in the heavens laughs and holds all the nations and their rulers, if they're in rebellion against it, in derision.
[00:36:29]  And God also holds Satan in derision.
[00:36:32]  Satan can only do what God assigns to him, what he allows, just like the first couple chapters of Job.
[00:36:36]  God is sovereign over all things, including Satan.
[00:36:38]  So Satan cannot hurt God.
[00:36:41]  God is.
[00:36:42]  Invulnerable, God is immortal.
[00:36:44]  God, the divine cannot suffer.
[00:36:46]  Um, so then what do you do if you're Satan?
[00:36:49]  If you hate God, but you can't get to Him, well, then you mess with God's creation, you mess with nature, you mess with the natural order, you mess with God's image bearing creatures who bear the image of God, right?
[00:37:00]  I can't actually, um, I can't actually assassinate the emperor, so I'm going to deface his statues throughout the kingdom, you know, and that's what Satan has been doing, and it's an attack on nature.
[00:37:12]  But here's the deal is Once upon a time, you know, this was, you know, it was the orcs at the city gates that were, you know, trying to do it.
[00:37:20]  Now it's reformed ministers doing it for free in the name of Christ, in the name of Jesus.

=== Aging and First Children (13:12) ===

[00:37:25]  Right.
[00:37:26]  And so whether it's, hey, you should marry an older woman who is infertile.
[00:37:32]  And if you don't desire that or you wouldn't be willing to do that, then it's equivalent to genetic testing of a child in utero and then committing abortion.
[00:37:43]  Again, that's a reformed pastor who said that.
[00:37:45]  Or ethno nationalism, national nationalism.
[00:37:48]  National nationalism is not only is it not a subset of Christian nationalism, but it's entirely in opposition to it.
[00:37:56]  And it is sinful to the same degree as a Christian committing adultery.
[00:38:05]  This is where we're at.
[00:38:07]  Pretty incredible.
[00:38:08]  I want to do a short segment on fertility and some of the studies, just backing up some of the claims we made.
[00:38:12]  So let's hit our first commercial break and we will be right back.
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[00:40:17]  We're back.
[00:40:18]  We talked about fertility in that first episode.
[00:40:20]  And if I could kind of categorize the pushback, 40% on the beauty piece.
[00:40:24]  Beauty is fading, which we said in the episode.
[00:40:26]  The other 40% would have been, well, I could say 20% the submission side.
[00:40:30]  So beauty, submission was about 60% of the pushback.
[00:40:33]  But people really didn't like the fertility piece.
[00:40:35]  And they really don't like being told that women are different than men in this respect.
[00:40:39]  I used the illustration earlier of a 23 year old man marrying a woman that is 40.
[00:40:43]  And for the record, a 40 year old man and a 40 year old woman, I think that's a great pairing.
[00:40:47]  Context matters.
[00:40:48]  Say it again 40 year old man.
[00:40:50]  40 year old man and a 40 year old woman.
[00:40:51]  So a couple that's older in life, that's great.
[00:40:53]  Praise God for a couple that are older.
[00:40:55]  40 year old man, 40 year old woman.
[00:40:57]  What about 40 year old man and 30 year old woman?
[00:41:00]  Totally fine.
[00:41:00]  Totally fine.
[00:41:01]  30 year old man, 40 year old woman.
[00:41:05]  It depends on the context.
[00:41:07]  Permissible.
[00:41:08]  Permissible.
[00:41:09]  It's not blatantly sin, permissible, but no, it's not ideal.
[00:41:12]  Yep.
[00:41:13]  And the difference is so it's like, well, 23 year old woman and 40 year old man, he'll have trouble having kids.
[00:41:18]  Nope, he won't.
[00:41:19]  Men are able to sire healthy children, 40s, 50s, and even 60s.
[00:41:24]  Men and women are not the same.
[00:41:26]  And it seems like a lot of people, the reason I'm bringing this up, the reason we're doing a whole segment on it, a lot of people don't seem to know this.
[00:41:31]  They seem to have this idea that a woman from, say, 15 till 45, Is perfectly able to have healthy children.
[00:41:38]  They're equally healthy all the way through.
[00:41:41]  There's no declines in fertility that you can just choose at any point.
[00:41:44]  We would like to have a child.
[00:41:46]  For one, a toxic world that we live in has made it very difficult for a lot of women to conceive.
[00:41:50]  There are many Christian couples I know, and they thought it would be easy.
[00:41:53]  We're going to get married.
[00:41:54]  We're going to have children.
[00:41:55]  They're a year in and they're dealing with the frustration.
[00:41:58]  We might not be able to have children.
[00:42:00]  We don't know why.
[00:42:00]  We don't know the cause of it.
[00:42:02]  It probably is something environmental.
[00:42:04]  So many, just in general, struggle with fertility, even if they're both in their 20s, even if they're both into their 30s.
[00:42:09]  But women's fertility declines precipitously after about 35 to 40.
[00:42:15]  And you have to recognize that that matters in marriage, especially if you're marrying a woman that's older.
[00:42:20]  I'm going to read here from a 2016 study, a 2016 study of a cohort of 960 women.
[00:42:28]  So I want you to kind of see the decline as God made the world, as He made women, and how it typically goes.
[00:42:33]  Compared to women aged 30 to 31, I'm quoting now, compared to women aged 30 to 31, fertility was reduced by 14%.
[00:42:41]  In women 34 to 35.
[00:42:43]  So 34 to 35 year old women are 15% less likely to get pregnant in a given 12 month span than women that are 30 to 31.
[00:42:51]  19% in women 36 to 37 years of age.
[00:42:55]  30% in women 38 to 39, 53% in women 40 to 41, and 59% in women 42 to 44.
[00:43:05]  Fertility did not differ between women aged 30 to 31, women aged 32 to 33.
[00:43:11]  In general, this is the main takeaway fertility and cumulative probability of pregnancy was lower for women who have never had a prior pregnancy.
[00:43:20]  We said in that episode a week ago having children young is one of the best things that you can do for a woman's health and for her long term fertility.
[00:43:29]  You don't have all the time in the world.
[00:43:31]  And it sucks to hear.
[00:43:33]  I know people that they don't know these statistics.
[00:43:36]  They're not aware of it.
[00:43:36]  And they're like, really?
[00:43:38]  Like, I don't have all of this time.
[00:43:40]  Or we're not able to kind of spend our 20s buying a house, buying a car, saving up money.
[00:43:45]  That's just simply not the world God's made.
[00:43:48]  Another study from 2017 this was a study in Japan of 20,000 women.
[00:43:53]  A U shaped relationship was apparent between maternal age at first birth and mortality.
[00:43:57]  As maternal age at first birth is rising worldwide, the risk it imposes appears.
[00:44:02]  To have a significance in the context of public health.
[00:44:04]  What they found in that study of 20,000 women is that very early pregnancies prior to 19 years old and pregnancies, first pregnancies into the 30, those had the highest rates of mortality.
[00:44:14]  That women that have children very, very young and women that have their first child into their 30s have much greater rates of mortality for the mother, for the child, than women that have their first child in their 20s and 30s.
[00:44:25]  You can hate this, you can not like it, you can be uncomfortable.
[00:44:29]  This is how God made the world.
[00:44:31]  And the reason that we're talking about it, people are going to be offended.
[00:44:34]  People are going to hate it.
[00:44:35]  But I think there's a lot of people out there who go, Whoa, that makes a lot of sense.
[00:44:40]  And the earlier a woman has a child.
[00:44:41]  There's a lot of people out there who would be like, Well, if that is the way God made the world, whether I like it or not, it's the way it is.
[00:44:47]  And by golly, if this is the way it is, why didn't one person in my life love me enough to tell me?
[00:44:54]  Exactly.
[00:44:55]  You know how many women are angry right now in their 30s and 40s for saying, Why the hell was I told and insisted?
[00:45:06]  That going to school, getting a degree, and having a career was going to make me happy.
[00:45:12]  I'm not happy at all.
[00:45:13]  I mean, we see videos on TikTok and Instagram, little short videos, like by the dozens daily, daily saying, I changed my mind.
[00:45:23]  Please take it back.
[00:45:24]  Please take it back.
[00:45:26]  I wish that I could be married.
[00:45:27]  I wish that I could be a mother.
[00:45:28]  What in the world?
[00:45:29]  Why did all these people in my life, and we're not just talking about random, you know, Marxist professors, no, we're talking about her mom, her dad.
[00:45:39]  Her pastor, her aunt, her grandma, like the people in my life who were supposed to love me, care for me, instruct me, protect me from being brainwashed and lied to, they all joined in the lying.
[00:45:56]  They all lied to me too.
[00:45:58]  So, what we're doing, you can hate it, you can be offended by it, you can be mad, but what we're doing is providing a service.
[00:46:05]  And there are plenty of people who do it.
[00:46:06]  We're actually, believe it or not, we're doing, I think, much better.
[00:46:10]  Like, this is the gentle version.
[00:46:11]  Yeah.
[00:46:12]  There are some other podcasters that you can listen to.
[00:46:15]  I'm not going to necessarily name them.
[00:46:16]  I think you could probably guess who will tell you straight up.
[00:46:19]  They will tell you straight up what happens if we don't repeal the 19th Amendment.
[00:46:24]  They will tell you straight up what happens to a woman when she hits 40, but she's still single.
[00:46:29]  We actually are handling this and dealing with a topic that is vitally important telling the truth and using scripture to do it and actually having, I think, A gentle tone.
[00:46:41]  We're not being bombastic.
[00:46:43]  We're not being rude.
[00:46:44]  These are hard truths.
[00:46:45]  There's no gentle way to say, right, you need to have a child, your first child, if possible, if you're married, your first child in your 20s.
[00:46:53]  That is your best outcome for health.
[00:46:54]  That is your best outcome for having many children.
[00:46:56]  It's the best outcome to achieve the blessing that God speaks of.
[00:47:00]  The blessings described of having children, to practically accomplish that, the earlier, the better.
[00:47:07]  Again, you can hate us for it.
[00:47:08]  That is the truth as it is.
[00:47:09]  There are so many women with technology, they think, oh, I can just freeze my eggs.
[00:47:15]  Probably millions, but I'll be comfortable saying thousands to hundreds of thousands.
[00:47:19]  Thousands of hundreds of thousands of women think with technology that this little fertility process.
[00:47:24]  Can just be put on pause.
[00:47:25]  We can press the pause button.
[00:47:27]  We can change gender, just do a little surgery, fertility, press the pause button, and we can wait.
[00:47:32]  These women go to unfreeze their eggs.
[00:47:33]  They're like, I'm ready to have a kid.
[00:47:34]  I'm ready to do it.
[00:47:35]  35, 36, 37, 38.
[00:47:38]  They become incredibly depressed, despondent, maniacal.
[00:47:42]  They realize they're never going to have children.
[00:47:45]  And they don't get that back.
[00:47:45]  We talked about this a couple episodes ago.
[00:47:47]  There's so many things in life when the window passes, you don't get it back.
[00:47:51]  I can't give that back to you.
[00:47:52]  It's gone.
[00:47:53]  Don't it always seem to go?
[00:47:55]  You don't know what you got to.
[00:47:56]  It's gone.
[00:47:56]  You don't know what you got to.
[00:47:57]  Speaking of things that are gone, hold up your glass, my man.
[00:48:00]  Oh, my goodness.
[00:48:01]  What?
[00:48:01]  Good grief.
[00:48:02]  You did not waste any time.
[00:48:03]  So it could be that I've drank a little bit less of this because I've talked a little bit more.
[00:48:09]  It's hard to drink and talk at the same time.
[00:48:11]  But you finished yours.
[00:48:13]  I'm still kind of on the last little bit of mine.
[00:48:15]  What are we drinking here?
[00:48:16]  I feel like the listener needs to know at the end of this segment, we are the tree, the wreath.
[00:48:21]  We are noggin.
[00:48:23]  Yeah, we're noggin.
[00:48:23]  We're Christmas maxing and we are drinking some noggin.
[00:48:27]  And the reality is that noggers are, you know, they're a minority of the population when it comes to Christmas time.
[00:48:35]  But noggers are those who, I think, although a minority of the population, they're responsible for 50% plus of all Christmas cheer.
[00:48:43]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:48:44]  Yeah.
[00:48:44]  So 13% of noggers, 50% of Christmas cheer.
[00:48:48]  Here we are.
[00:48:49]  And this one, I can't say their name because I can't dox them, but this was made from one of my best friends.
[00:48:57]  His wife made it as a gift to us, Christmas gift.
[00:49:01]  And we just found it.
[00:49:02]  He put it in there in the fridge in our studio, and it's homemade and it's insanely good.
[00:49:10]  It is.
[00:49:10]  It is really, really good.
[00:49:12]  So we are nogging at like level 11 right now.
[00:49:16]  It's just off the charts.
[00:49:17]  Levels I'm hurting.
[00:49:18]  If you don't like eggnog, first thing I would say, you know, just completely, you know, kindly, first thing I would say is unsubscribe and I would like to never see you again.
[00:49:29]  No, I'm just kidding.
[00:49:32]  If you don't like eggnog, You are objectively wrong.
[00:49:36]  You can still be subscribed.
[00:49:37]  We still appreciate you, but you are wrong.
[00:49:38]  You need to know that.
[00:49:39]  You need to feel it deep inside.
[00:49:41]  And then it's kind of one of those things.
[00:49:43]  You just got to keep drinking it until you like it.
[00:49:45]  If you don't like it, it's because you haven't worked hard enough.
[00:49:47]  You need to drink eggnog every Christmas, potentially, and I would argue every day until you like it because the eggnog is not wrong.
[00:49:57]  You are.
[00:49:58]  Absolutely.
[00:49:58]  You are.
[00:49:58]  Okay.
[00:49:59]  Let's go to our last commercial break.
[00:50:00]  This is your chance to get Nog.
[00:50:01]  So if you're waiting for your chance, go run.
[00:50:04]  Yeah, go get some dog during the commercial break.
[00:50:06]  Come back.
[00:50:06]  And let me say this real quick.
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=== Loveliness as a Woman's Attribute (02:36) ===

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[00:50:56]  Crazy thing that we said that everyone believed until, you know, like for all of human history until, you know, 80 to 100 years ago.
[00:51:03]  Isn't it Cicero who writes something equivalent to this?
[00:51:05]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:51:05]  Thousands of years ago.
[00:51:07]  You can pull it up.
[00:51:08]  Yeah, let me pull it up.
[00:51:09]  Let me pull it up.
[00:51:10]  People always recognized, because it's apparent.
[00:51:13]  God made women.
[00:51:14]  Paul speaks of this in 1 Corinthians.
[00:51:15]  Like God made women.
[00:51:17]  With a beauty and a ferocity, men don't have men are not attractive the way women are.
[00:51:21]  Go ahead, that's right.
[00:51:21]  Uh, we ought to regard loveliness as the attribute of women, dignity as the attribute of man.
[00:51:31]  And if you look into that, that's Cicero.
[00:51:33]  And if you look into that and the Latin and what he's getting at, I don't know how to pronounce it.
[00:51:37]  I'm I'll I'll try, I'm I know I'll do it wrong, but just at least so you'll have the sense of it.
[00:51:41]  So those of you who are aware of such things as Latin, you can go and look it up.
[00:51:45]  But it's uh, V E N U S T A S, Venustus.
[00:51:51]  Sounds right.
[00:51:51]  Venustas.
[00:51:53]  Something like that.
[00:51:55]  But that's for loveliness.
[00:51:56]  So we ought to regard loveliness and then V E N U S T A S as the attribute, meaning the quintessential attribute is what's being implied there, the chief attribute of woman.
[00:52:09]  And dignity and D I G N I T A S as the attribute of man.
[00:52:18]  So for man, what's the main thing you're looking for?
[00:52:22]  Dignity.
[00:52:23]  Is he dignified?
[00:52:24]  Is he honorable, respectable, to be esteemed, virtue?
[00:52:28]  Woman, is she lovely?
[00:52:30]  And here's the thing that loveliness can't be anything less than is she literally, in a physical sense, beautiful, right?
[00:52:39]  Especially for a young woman.
[00:52:41]  But of course, I think there's more.
[00:52:44]  So it's not less, but I do think there's absolutely more.
[00:52:47]  You can win Miss America beauty pageant, but if you are a total jerk, Aggressive, domineering, like, then yeah, you're not lovely.
[00:53:01]  Loveliness does, it's not, well, it's just spiritual loveliness.
[00:53:05]  No, no, it's actually not.
[00:53:07]  The physical actually matters.
[00:53:09]  We are not heretics.
[00:53:11]  We are not Gnostics.
[00:53:13]  Stop that.

=== Securing Legacy with Gold (04:34) ===

[00:53:14]  No one thought like that until modern Westerns.
[00:53:18]  So stop it.
[00:53:19]  Knock it out.
[00:53:20]  Stop being Gnostics.
[00:53:21]  Stop being heretics.
[00:53:23]  God made the physical world and he called it good.
[00:53:27]  Okay, so stop hating God's natural order.
[00:53:31]  Stop doing the work of your father, the devil.
[00:53:35]  Stop it.
[00:53:36]  Loveliness, it contains a physical element, and that's good.
[00:53:42]  We can say it's not less.
[00:53:44]  We don't have to make it a substitute, something other than, but we can say that it's more.
[00:53:49]  She is physically lovely.
[00:53:51]  And in addition to that, she carries herself in her manner, in her method, in her words, her vernacular, her spirit.
[00:53:59]  There's Grace.
[00:54:01]  The man, he has grit.
[00:54:03]  The woman, she has grace.
[00:54:06]  Cicero, not saying that he's right about everything, but probably shouldn't be completely discounted.
[00:54:12]  I think he cooked.
[00:54:13]  I think he cooked.
[00:54:14]  All right.
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[00:54:26]  All right.
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=== Preserving Life Through Polygamy (15:42) ===

[00:57:49]  All right, we're back.
[00:57:49]  Here's the super chats.
[00:57:50]  First and foremost, we have Josiah Cooper.
[00:57:54]  They wrote in and said, Nine months ago, I asked y'all.
[00:57:58]  And I remember this.
[00:57:58]  I think it was during a live stream, and they super chatted in and said, Hey, can you pray for this particular situation?
[00:58:05]  So here they are today saying, Nine months ago, I asked y'all to pray for prayer for what the doctors called an unviable pregnancy.
[00:58:15]  Last week, Goldie Luis was born healthy.
[00:58:19]  Praise God.
[00:58:21]  Let's go.
[00:58:22]  That's awesome.
[00:58:23]  Praise God.
[00:58:24]  Merry Christmas to you and your husband.
[00:58:29]  No, this is Josiah Cooper.
[00:58:30]  So this is the husband to your wife.
[00:58:32]  And to little Goldie Luis, her first Christmas.
[00:58:35]  Praise God.
[00:58:36]  That's awesome.
[00:58:37]  Okay, you take the next.
[00:58:38]  Michael Sayin, 4360, sent two super chats.
[00:58:42]  The first one is repeal the 19th Amendment, no fault divorce, and bring back coverture law at common law.
[00:58:48]  Coverture law was in England a law where the wife was essentially covered under the husband.
[00:58:52]  So she couldn't own property in her name.
[00:58:54]  She couldn't complete certain business transactions.
[00:58:57]  It would essentially be the husband's name that was used, and he would be responsible.
[00:59:01]  Now, in return, he had to provide her with security, with caring for her provisions.
[00:59:05]  Couldn't mistreat her.
[00:59:06]  Couldn't mistreat her, exactly.
[00:59:08]  It would probably look different for what it looked like now, but regardless of whatever flaws it would bring, it would be better than what we have.
[00:59:14]  So, correct.
[00:59:15]  Great, great comment.
[00:59:16]  19th Amendment, no fault divorce, bring back coverture law.
[00:59:18]  Love it.
[00:59:19]  Love it.
[00:59:20]  Followed up.
[00:59:21]  Uh oh.
[00:59:21]  With an absolutely spiritually brown comment.
[00:59:25]  I think that's the best way to.
[00:59:26]  Yeah, so his first comment, Michael, Michael Sayin, you were on it, man.
[00:59:30]  Repeal the 19th Amendment, no, get rid of no fault divorce.
[00:59:34]  But then.
[00:59:34]  Women can't own property.
[00:59:35]  But then he followed it up and he was like, hey, you know what?
[00:59:39]  Uh, Pakistan is, I think they cook.
[00:59:43]  West Africa?
[00:59:43]  The entire Western tradition?
[00:59:45]  Let me read the comment here.
[00:59:47]  Don't like it?
[00:59:48]  He said, stop forcing monogamy and bring back polygamy.
[00:59:53]  Retarded.
[00:59:54]  Retarded?
[00:59:55]  Yeah.
[00:59:56]  Polygamy is not.
[00:59:58]  People always, Andrew Tate would probably be a big example of someone bringing it back.
[01:00:03]  Muslim, might I add.
[01:00:04]  Muslim.
[01:00:05]  Half black.
[01:00:06]  Half black.
[01:00:06]  That's the way the East does things.
[01:00:08]  It's your harem, it's all the wealth consolidated at the top.
[01:00:11]  You read Defenders of the West.
[01:00:13]  And the Muslims would come in and they would take the town and they would take for themselves the nuns and the women of the town, the village, whatever it would be, and they keep them for their personal harem.
[01:00:22]  The West has not ever done that, does not do that now, and should not do that.
[01:00:27]  The West has said, you love one woman and you have a duty to her, an honor and a protection to her.
[01:00:33]  And it bound that honor with duty and responsibility.
[01:00:37]  And it's that that built the world.
[01:00:39]  West Africa, I think some like Burkina Faso, it's like 36% of marriages are polygamous.
[01:00:43]  Right.
[01:00:43]  What's West Africa building?
[01:00:44]  Now, I know there's other factors than just polygamy.
[01:00:47]  What is the Middle East and Islam with their multitudes of wives up to four wives?
[01:00:52]  How's that going for them?
[01:00:53]  Not great.
[01:00:54]  What have they contributed?
[01:00:55]  Nothing.
[01:00:56]  Nothing.
[01:00:56]  How about the world that said one man, one woman, which also men actually have a chance?
[01:01:01]  Like, we got to be honest, the bottom 50% of men, it's tough.
[01:01:04]  They would never get married.
[01:01:05]  It's tough.
[01:01:05]  It's already tough with monogamy for them to date, to have a chance, to have children.
[01:01:10]  You would destroy that.
[01:01:12]  But through that, you can say, hey, we recognize you're not going to be Jeff Bezos.
[01:01:16]  But also, you have the chance to.
[01:01:18]  Find a woman to marry her, to work hard, to contribute to society and have children.
[01:01:23]  So, Michael, don't be like that.
[01:01:25]  You nailed it on the first comment, Michael.
[01:01:27]  Don't despair.
[01:01:28]  Don't despair.
[01:01:30]  That first super chat showed that you have potential.
[01:01:33]  You have real potential.
[01:01:34]  And then you thought, I'm going to be even more based.
[01:01:37]  But it was spiritually brown.
[01:01:40]  It was.
[01:01:40]  Yep.
[01:01:40]  Don't do it.
[01:01:41]  All right.
[01:01:41]  All right.
[01:01:42]  World that once was sent a generous super chat.
[01:01:44]  They said this Hi, bros, looking for prayer and advice.
[01:01:46]  10 years ago, I fell ill, cause unknown.
[01:01:49]  Now, early 30s, in great shape.
[01:01:51]  Belittle no change in the condition, may not be able.
[01:01:55]  That's the key phrase here when I answer, may not be able to sire children and feel I can't pursue any lady, saddens me.
[01:02:02]  And so he's saying something happened and he doesn't elaborate on the condition, but he feels as though he's probably unlikely that if he was to be married, he'd be able to have children.
[01:02:11]  I agree.
[01:02:12]  I've argued with people about this.
[01:02:13]  I think William Gouge that he's correct on this that the only people that are truly eligible for marriage are those that have at least some chance of procreation.
[01:02:21]  So, for example, someone.
[01:02:23]  Thought they were another gender and they went through surgery that completely removed any ability to have children.
[01:02:28]  You know what procedures I'm talking about.
[01:02:29]  If they did that and then they detransitioned back, I think I would have been saved.
[01:02:33]  I think I would have been saved.
[01:02:34]  I think I would have been saved.
[01:02:34]  All those kinds of things.
[01:02:35]  Like, I'm ready to live for God.
[01:02:37]  I want a godly marriage.
[01:02:39]  Sorry.
[01:02:39]  Yeah.
[01:02:40]  So, in that case, there's literally no possibility.
[01:02:43]  You are not able to perform the function of a man.
[01:02:46]  But to encourage, I don't know the condition and I don't know the likelihood.
[01:02:50]  But in this case, if you are still a man, you can still perform marital duties.
[01:02:54]  I think you have to tell someone up front.
[01:02:55]  We used to have a category in our common law of defrauding someone in marriage.
[01:02:58]  So, if a woman knew she couldn't have children, but she didn't disclose it to a spouse, and then five years go by, he's like, why is my wife getting pregnant?
[01:03:06]  Oh, I always knew I wasn't going to be able to.
[01:03:07]  And in that case, they'll be defrauded.
[01:03:09]  Exactly.
[01:03:09]  And in that case, he would usually have some kind of recourse that didn't actually require a divorce, but allowed for an annulment.
[01:03:15]  Correct.
[01:03:16]  Because he entered the marriage on fraudulent terms.
[01:03:19]  Exactly.
[01:03:19]  We always used to assume when someone came into the marriage, there was at least the possibility.
[01:03:23]  Now, God, in his wisdom, does close wombs.
[01:03:25]  He does cause sometimes infertility in men that happens.
[01:03:29]  But I think to encourage you, be upfront, but to say categorically, in God's sovereignty, I mean, think of the story we just heard.
[01:03:36]  Doctors, nope, this is an unviable pregnancy.
[01:03:39]  This baby will never live.
[01:03:40]  She's alive today.
[01:03:41]  Oh, you'll never be able to have children.
[01:03:43]  Well, the Lord knows.
[01:03:44]  Be upfront, be honest.
[01:03:46]  But as long as we're not literally talking, there's no physical way for me to perform the duties of a man.
[01:03:51]  In a woman's case, no physical way to perform those duties.
[01:03:54]  I think you can, if you're upfront, continue to date and pursue marriage and look to God's sovereignty.
[01:03:59]  Yep.
[01:03:59]  All right.
[01:04:00]  Go ahead, Joel.
[01:04:01]  Okay.
[01:04:02]  Michael's saying he's coming back in, right?
[01:04:04]  Okay.
[01:04:04]  Third time's the charm.
[01:04:05]  Let's see.
[01:04:06]  The Bible doesn't give women permission to divorce.
[01:04:09]  All right.
[01:04:10]  That, honestly, that one, I think we just have to give a whole episode to.
[01:04:13]  Nobody's getting that.
[01:04:14]  I understand.
[01:04:17]  But I disagree.
[01:04:21]  So I know what he's saying.
[01:04:24]  But I think that when you look again at the Western tradition for Christians, right?
[01:04:32]  That's why it matters.
[01:04:33]  We're talking about the Western Christian tradition, the Presbyterian tradition.
[01:04:38]  Look at John Calvin.
[01:04:39]  Look at all these guys held very, very clearly that the wife could divorce for a few things, not a ton of things, but marital infidelity being one of them, that she could.
[01:04:52]  And so I think we have to be careful about just raw biblicism.
[01:04:57]  Like, well, me and my Bible, just me and my Bible, and I'm reading it, and the wife is the property of the husband.
[01:05:03]  And so therefore, she can't divorce him, but he can divorce her.
[01:05:08]  Yeah, I know what you're saying.
[01:05:11]  I mean, even the 10th commandment, thou shalt not covet, everything is stated in the masculine vernacular.
[01:05:17]  Like, you shall not covet his house, his wife, his male servant, and female servant, and ox, and donkey, or anything that is your neighbor.
[01:05:26]  I understand that.
[01:05:27]  I understand male headship.
[01:05:28]  I understand male ownership.
[01:05:31]  I see the argument that you're making, but that's not the way the Bible has been interpreted and applied.
[01:05:38]  It's one thing if it's like, well, it hasn't been interpreted and applied that way for the last 80 years.
[01:05:43]  Well, if it's just for the last 80 years, then I'd be like, well, who gives a rip?
[01:05:47]  Who gives a rip?
[01:05:48]  But we're talking about centuries and centuries and centuries within the West.
[01:05:52]  That's significant and should not be thrown out lightly.
[01:05:57]  So, maybe we spend more time on that eventually.
[01:06:01]  Maybe we give it its own episode, but we don't have enough time today to really give that comment that he made justice.
[01:06:08]  So, we'll have to do it another time.
[01:06:11]  All right.
[01:06:11]  Next.
[01:06:12]  Dakota Davis sent us a big super chat $20.
[01:06:17]  Thank you, Dakota.
[01:06:18]  He asked this How high risk should a woman be before calling it on having more kids?
[01:06:23]  We have three with one on the way.
[01:06:24]  Congratulations.
[01:06:25]  But have been strongly medically advised not to have more.
[01:06:28]  To preserve the life of my wife.
[01:06:30]  Wisdom issue or just keep going?
[01:06:35]  Hmm.
[01:06:37]  I will say, a lot of times when it comes to, like I think of working on the Sabbath, for instance, we would hold to the Sabbath.
[01:06:45]  So the commandment that says on the Lord's day, you shall do no work, you, your livestock, your sojourner, your male servant, your female servant, you shouldn't work on Sunday.
[01:06:54]  Practically, sometimes circumstances arise by which, even Jesus gives an example of this, your ox falls in the ditch.
[01:06:59]  And so sometimes you're kind of faced with, It seems like both of these are a violation of biblical precept.
[01:07:04]  For example, purposely putting my wife in danger.
[01:07:09]  All else being equal, that is a sin.
[01:07:10]  We are commanded in, I believe it's the fifth commandment, sixth commandment, to preserve life.
[01:07:15]  Thou shalt not kill does not just mean you can't literally take a gun and kill people.
[01:07:20]  It means you don't hate, you're not negligent.
[01:07:21]  Yeah, it's not just don't murder, but stated in the positive, it is preserve, defend, and esteem the dignity of human life.
[01:07:29]  So, all else being equal, to put your wife in the place, Where her life would be reasonably at risk, 20, 30, 40% chance of something happening to her, all else being equal, that would be a sin.
[01:07:41]  Also, simply saying, hey, I'm 29 years old.
[01:07:45]  Let's use an example.
[01:07:46]  I've got one kid.
[01:07:48]  I think I'm going to call it.
[01:07:49]  I don't think that children are a blessing.
[01:07:51]  I don't want to be the blessed man that's tables surrounded by children.
[01:07:54]  I'm going to call it.
[01:07:55]  I'll go on record and say, I think that's a sin as well.
[01:07:57]  So now we're a little bit more in the gray area.
[01:08:00]  We've got four kids.
[01:08:01]  Praise God.
[01:08:01]  You guys have been able to have a great family.
[01:08:04]  I don't know the extent strongly medically warned.
[01:08:08]  Let's say it's kind of a 50% chance that there could be some severe complications with the pregnancy.
[01:08:13]  So, on both of those, it kind of seems as if both I could be sinning by having more children.
[01:08:19]  I just gave into fear.
[01:08:20]  Nope, I'm unwilling to even try for another one, unwilling to see where it even goes.
[01:08:26]  On the other side, I'm going to disregard my wife's life and we're just going to go for it.
[01:08:30]  There's risk of sin on both sides.
[01:08:32]  I don't know the specifics of the situation.
[01:08:35]  I mean, I think we would say what we've said at other times.
[01:08:37]  Which one seems more likely?
[01:08:39]  Does it seem more likely that you're negligently putting your wife's life at risk, or more likely that you're simply kind of giving in to, eh, doctor said the next one might not go well.
[01:08:48]  So we're going to call it, we're stressed out as it is.
[01:08:51]  Yeah, well said.
[01:08:52]  So I think one, it's what's more likely.
[01:08:54]  Also, two, it's not just likelihood, but it's also what is the risk if this proves to be the case, what would the consequence be?
[01:09:03]  Right?
[01:09:03]  So there are plenty of things like where my wife and I, we've made plenty of decisions where, Um, we've taken a kid to the urgent care, right?
[01:09:10]  When it's like, and my wife, you know, talking with her, and you know, we're like, Yeah, we would put this in terms of likelihood, we would put this at like a three percent chance that, uh, that you know, that the kid's gonna die, or this is you know, really really dangerous or severe, whatever.
[01:09:26]  Um, but here's the deal there's one the likelihood of something coming to pass, and then number two, if it did come to pass, what would the severity of the consequences be?
[01:09:35]  Because if we're talking about, well, it's only a three percent chance, but in that three percent chance, the consequence is death.
[01:09:43]  That's pretty severe.
[01:09:44]  So, those are the kinds of things that need to be weighed.
[01:09:48]  Now, I can't help but think of COVID with all this.
[01:09:51]  It's like, well, there's a, the problem with COVID is number one, they were lying and saying that the likelihood of death was far higher than it actually was.
[01:10:01]  And then, two, based off of that, they were then stripping away liberty for the entire population.
[01:10:09]  Nobody could leave their home, nobody could go to church.
[01:10:11]  So, that's different.
[01:10:12]  In the case of this, this isn't the whole population, and this isn't, we're not talking about Civil legislation.
[01:10:18]  We're not talking about laws confining people to their home.
[01:10:21]  We're talking about counsel, not command, but counsel for an individual and his wife, he and his family.
[01:10:31]  And so I would just say that, in that, like, is it, you know, what's the likelihood of you listening to your doctor and your doctor actually being wrong, that he's being a bit extreme and overstating the case, and that your wife is not really in that much danger and you actually could have been more fruitful, multiplied, and you, you know, chose not to?
[01:10:53]  Right?
[01:10:54]  The likelihood there.
[01:10:55]  All right.
[01:10:55]  What's on the other end?
[01:10:57]  What's the likelihood that your doctor is right and that you would be jeopardizing your wife's life and the mother of your four children that you already have that the Lord has immensely blessed you with?
[01:11:10]  So weighing the likelihoods and then looking at the consequence.
[01:11:13]  If your doctor's right, the consequence is your wife could die.
[01:11:17]  If the doctor's wrong, the consequence is you multiplied times two and you could have multiplied times 2.5.
[01:11:25]  By having a fifth child, you know, or three, 3x, right?
[01:11:29]  Nothing to scoff at, 3x, six kids.
[01:11:33]  Those are the consequences.
[01:11:34]  One, I think you can see, is heavier than the other.
[01:11:37]  So at the very end of the question, he said, Is this a wisdom issue or should I just go for it?
[01:11:43]  Meaning, have more kids.
[01:11:45]  I would say, as hardcore as we are here at Right Response Ministries, I'm going to say strongly, I believe this, it's a wisdom issue.
[01:11:54]  Yep, it's a wisdom issue.
[01:11:55]  I'm not going to sit here and bind your conscience that you must.
[01:12:00]  Keep impregnating your wife every single chance you get at the risk of her life.
[01:12:05]  That's simply not my position.
[01:12:08]  Call me a lib, but that's not my position.
[01:12:10]  All right, I'm going to hit a bunch of these real quick.
[01:12:13]  Michael Sayan, the guy won't quit.
[01:12:18]  God bless him.
[01:12:19]  He's persistent, right?
[01:12:20]  It's like the widow has got to be that guy.
[01:12:22]  The widow knocks at the door 10 times.
[01:12:24]  Go ahead.
[01:12:25]  What?
[01:12:25]  I was going to say, like, you have guys night at church and he's like chasing people down in the parking lot.
[01:12:28]  Have you heard about biblical polygamy?
[01:12:31]  There's no.
[01:12:32]  Sir, sir, get over here.
[01:12:32]  Yeah, sir.
[01:12:33]  Yeah.
[01:12:34]  It's like they're talking about the weather, and it's like, yeah, but what about polygamy?
[01:12:39]  So you got to respect the persistence here.
[01:12:43]  So here we go.
[01:12:44]  He wrote in a couple of times.
[01:12:45]  We got three more super chats from Michael Sane.
[01:12:48]  But our policy is we're going to read the super chats.
[01:12:51]  So we're going to honor the policy.
[01:12:52]  Here we go.
[01:12:53]  Women are not permitted to divorce, they are under the rule of man.
[01:12:57]  Call me.
[01:12:58]  I will tell you all about it.
[01:13:01]  Send you even a free book.
[01:13:02]  I can help marriage, divorce, and remarriage contracts and covenants.
[01:13:08]  All right.
[01:13:08]  Next super chat, monogamy promotes equality, but polygamy promotes patriarchy.
[01:13:14]  I think there are other ways to promote patriarchy besides polygamy.
[01:13:17]  I don't think it's exclusive in that sense, but I understand your general point.
[01:13:21]  I disagree, but I understand your point.
[01:13:23]  Third and final super chat, he wrote, Monogamy uses dowry, polygamy uses bride prices.

=== Forced Conversions vs Patriarchy (02:45) ===

[01:13:31]  Those are your super chats.
[01:13:32]  They have been read live on the air.
[01:13:35]  I feel like we've already responded, so I don't really have anything else.
[01:13:37]  Last one, here we go.
[01:13:39]  This is from Vitlos.
[01:13:42]  Vitloss.
[01:13:42]  I'm going to go with that.
[01:13:43]  Vitloss.
[01:13:43]  There we go.
[01:13:44]  $5 super chat.
[01:13:45]  We appreciate it.
[01:13:46]  He said, Many came to the faith by forced conversion.
[01:13:50]  All right.
[01:13:50]  So I think he's thinking of the Crusades, perhaps.
[01:13:53]  We're Crusades respecters.
[01:13:56]  I feel as though it is my place to take a wife in such a way.
[01:14:04]  Is this grandiosity or discernment?
[01:14:08]  Many came to the faith by forced conversion.
[01:14:11]  I feel as though it is my place to take a wife in such a way.
[01:14:15]  I don't know what you mean by that.
[01:14:17]  If you mean that I should take a wife like the tribe of Benjamin took wives, if you remember that story in the Bible, that they went and just like bopped them over the head and physically struggled their way, threw them over the shit.
[01:14:31]  If you're saying some people came to faith through a forced conversion due to the Crusade, Charlemagne, those kinds of things, and I'm going to take a wife through the same means, meaning against her will, I'm going to marry her.
[01:14:46]  I gotta, I gotta, again, at the risk of sounding like a lib, I just, I feel like I have an obligation as a Christian man, as a pastor, as a husband, as a father to say, I would not recommend that.
[01:14:57]  I'm gonna have to say, you will take that wife and you will wake up and she will have divorced you already.
[01:15:01]  Yeah, please.
[01:15:02]  Yeah, please don't.
[01:15:03]  So, again, I appreciate the grit, I appreciate, you know, the vigilance.
[01:15:12]  Maybe just re channel it in a different direction.
[01:15:14]  I would not advise that.
[01:15:16]  But, The first half, positive comment regarding the Crusades based.
[01:15:23]  And Charlemagne, much of Northern Europe, not quite to Britain, but Northern Europe, he converted at the sword.
[01:15:28]  Or I should say, forced profession.
[01:15:30]  Forced profession.
[01:15:31]  Nobody can convert their heart but the Holy Spirit of God regenerating the heart of man, right?
[01:15:35]  So, but in terms of, hey, you need to profess, you know, say Christ is Lord.
[01:15:40]  Yeah, that happened.
[01:15:43]  And here's the deal I do believe that many of them turned out to be genuine conversions, right?
[01:15:48]  That God actually saved nations.
[01:15:51]  By being conquered by a Christian nation, that many of them actually did come to true saving faith.
[01:15:58]  Worst things have happened.
[01:15:59]  Worst things have happened.
[01:16:01]  And Michael Sayan hopping in, bottom of the ninth, one more.
[01:16:05]  Thanks for reading the super chats.
[01:16:07]  You are welcome.
[01:16:08]  God bless you.
[01:16:09]  That's it for the stream.
[01:16:10]  Hope you guys have been blessed.
[01:16:11]  And we will see you guys, Lord willing, next time, which will be Friday at 3 p.m. Central Time.
[01:16:17]  Godspeed.