NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Tucker Interviews Nick Fuentes | Gatekeeping, Feminism, & Crushing the Left
Aired: 2025-10-30
Duration: 01:53:54


=== Gatekeeping and Generational Patterns (15:07) ===

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[00:00:32]  Nick Fuentes, he is making waves, was just invited to Tucker Carlson's show.
[00:00:39]  Now, for those of you who are unaware, there has been a little bit of a scuffle, to say the least, between Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes.
[00:00:49]  As two right wing individuals, they had the typical face to face, in real life, as the kids would say, meeting, right?
[00:00:57]  What happens when two right wing individuals meet IRL for the first time?
[00:01:02]  I thought you were a Fed.
[00:01:03]  I thought you were a Fed.
[00:01:05]  That tends to be how it goes.
[00:01:06]  And so they were attempting to hash out some of their differences.
[00:01:09]  And then Tucker Carlson simply playing the investigator, journalist, a good interviewer, and simply asking questions, giving Nick a chance to say what he really believes.
[00:01:22]  Now, there's been a ton of people who are clutching their pearls and very, very, very troubled, very concerned that Tucker Carlson would give an opportunity like this to someone.
[00:01:36]  Like Nick.
[00:01:37]  Now, that's what we're going to be discussing.
[00:01:39]  Was this a bad move?
[00:01:40]  Was this the wrong call?
[00:01:42]  That's what we'll be discussing in this episode.
[00:01:44]  We're going to talk about conservative gatekeeping, why it's dying, and why, to show our hand preemptively, we think that that is a positive development.
[00:01:55]  In addition to gatekeeping and some of the strategies there and why it needs to fall apart, why it needs to come to an end, that'll be our first segment.
[00:02:05]  But also, in addition to that, our second segment, We want to talk about some of the discourse, not so much the politics, but really getting down to culture, getting down to men and women and marriage and family.
[00:02:17]  We wanted to talk about what we found is one of the most interesting portions of the interview of Nick Fuentes with Tucker Carlson, which had to do with dating and marriage.
[00:02:29]  It had to do with men, it had to do with certain devastating vices such as pornography.
[00:02:36]  What do young men do today?
[00:02:39]  When the distance between single men and single women is so vast.
[00:02:45]  At a certain point of this interview, Nick even mentioned some of the data on this subject.
[00:02:51]  I believe he cited a 45 point difference between the political proclivities of young single women and those of young single men.
[00:03:03]  In other words, to put it blatantly, to put it short, young single men are right wing.
[00:03:13]  Young single women are just horrible, just absolutely horrible.
[00:03:21]  I saw on X the other day, and I think it was well said.
[00:03:24]  Someone said that women vote overwhelmingly for pro immigrant policies and legislators, politicians.
[00:03:35]  And now we have young women all over our country, and especially when you think of England and certain European countries who are rising up.
[00:03:43]  Young single women, social influencers saying, We need men.
[00:03:48]  We need men to stand up and to be men and to protect us.
[00:03:53]  We don't feel safe.
[00:03:55]  What does that really mean?
[00:03:56]  What it means is that right now, what we have going on in the West is young women voting in hordes of foreigners that steal, that sexually assault, that murder, and then those same young women saying, We voted for this, and now we need men in our country to die for this.
[00:04:25]  That's where we're at.
[00:04:27]  The young women are a liability.
[00:04:30]  Young women in the West are a liability on the West and its potential survival.
[00:04:37]  And young men have woken up.
[00:04:40]  Now, Tucker Carlson, being 56 years old, is, I think, wise.
[00:04:46]  I think, in many ways, godly.
[00:04:48]  And I'm super grateful for him.
[00:04:51]  But I think it's fair to say that he demonstrated that despite some of the maturity, the experience, and wisdom, Tucker Carlson, at least on this subject, is wildly out of touch.
[00:05:02]  And Nick got to the heart of some of these things.
[00:05:05]  Now, I still would like to see more biblical solutions.
[00:05:09]  So, we'll discuss some of that in this episode as well.
[00:05:12]  So, conservative gatekeeping, that age has ended.
[00:05:17]  We think that's positive.
[00:05:18]  We'll tell you strategically, politically, and culturally why.
[00:05:22]  Also, talking about men and women and the ever increasing vast gap between the two.
[00:05:30]  What does that mean for young men?
[00:05:32]  In them needing to get married, needing to be husbands, needing to be fathers.
[00:05:36]  What's going to happen culturally?
[00:05:38]  What's going to happen with the family?
[00:05:40]  What's going to happen in our churches with young Christian men in America as we look towards the coming years?
[00:05:47]  All this and more on today's episode.
[00:05:49]  Tune in now.
[00:06:00]  Well, if we had a tombstone for conservative gatekeeping, I think the years that you would put on it for its lifespan, 2015 to 2025, about.
[00:06:08]  I think that's fair, a nice round number.
[00:06:09]  It's been about 10 years that there was a conservative inc, right?
[00:06:12]  You can think of the big institution, the big corporation.
[00:06:15]  Big con.
[00:06:15]  Big con.
[00:06:16]  And it said, in more ways than one, and it said, you must toe this line.
[00:06:20]  You must say these things if you want to have a platform.
[00:06:23]  We've mentioned it many times over the past couple of months.
[00:06:26]  You guys have to understand five, six, seven years ago, there weren't that many names in town.
[00:06:30]  There were a couple of big shows, a couple of big platforms.
[00:06:33]  A Daily Wire really being the big one.
[00:06:35]  There were really only certain things that you could say.
[00:06:38]  And Nick is case in point.
[00:06:40]  Love the guy or hate the guy.
[00:06:41]  He came up in a time where he said, I have questions about this.
[00:06:45]  I'm not going to repeat these lines.
[00:06:46]  He goes through all of this with Tucker Carlson, how he was ostracized by the Daily Wire types, literally people that worked at Daily Wire.
[00:06:53]  Ben Shapiro.
[00:06:54]  Ben Shapiro.
[00:06:55]  He was ostracized by Right Side Broadcasting.
[00:06:58]  When he had less than 1,000 followers on Twitter.
[00:07:01]  Think about that.
[00:07:02]  Ben Shapiro nuked him from orbit twice.
[00:07:06]  It's like, I've got to crush this guy.
[00:07:08]  I've got to crush the questions he's answering.
[00:07:10]  And for the record, that was Nick before a lot of the things.
[00:07:14]  Eventually, what Nick ended up doing, as many young single men being 17, 18, 19 years old, is after being nuked from orbit, he leaned in and played the heel.
[00:07:28]  And I don't think he should have done that.
[00:07:30]  I don't.
[00:07:31]  I mean, do it a little, maybe in some strategic ways.
[00:07:33]  But yeah, I think he leaned in and went too far.
[00:07:38]  But Ben Shapiro nuked him before any of that happened.
[00:07:41]  So, this is not Ben Shapiro nuking Nick, you know, when he's halfway in and he's saying some of his most unhinged things.
[00:07:49]  Right.
[00:07:50]  This is when, this is a time when Nick was just barely getting started.
[00:07:54]  He had virtually zero influence.
[00:07:57]  And at that point, the worst thing that he had said was, I don't think that we should be, you know, in bed with Israel.
[00:08:06]  And Ben Shapiro instinctively was like, I've got to crush this man.
[00:08:10]  I can't believe he was dead.
[00:08:11]  So, all that back to your point, besides making it just about Ben Shapiro, on the whole, that was Big Con, Big Conservative Inc.
[00:08:20]  That was the sentiment, that was the ethos, was meticulous gatekeeping must be within our frame.
[00:08:29]  Anything out of it, not just we won't give you an opportunity, we will destroy you.
[00:08:35]  That's what it's been for 10 years.
[00:08:37]  So, whether it was Big Con and social media giants, your Facebook, your Instagram, They were in cahoots and people don't understand.
[00:08:45]  They could take your livelihood.
[00:08:47]  They could take your source of money from advertising, your platform where you found viewers.
[00:08:52]  Like when, especially it was during the Biden administration, the first two years or so prior to Musk buying Twitter.
[00:08:58]  I mean, you'd have people that were just nuked from orbit.
[00:09:00]  I used to watch them here.
[00:09:01]  I used to catch them on YouTube or I used to see their posts on Twitter.
[00:09:06]  And they possessed the power enough that these people could virtually be deleted from the internet.
[00:09:10]  Think of that power.
[00:09:11]  Hundreds of thousands of people follow you.
[00:09:13]  They tune into your show.
[00:09:14]  They listen to your stuff.
[00:09:15]  They pass around your writings.
[00:09:17]  And one group, one institution has the power to say, you're never going to see anything from this person ever again.
[00:09:24]  And that was 10 years of gatekeeping.
[00:09:26]  Someone mentioned Buckley in there.
[00:09:28]  This is a very longstanding conservative tradition, right?
[00:09:31]  What do conservatives exist to do?
[00:09:32]  Conserve the victories of the left from 10 years ago.
[00:09:35]  So I'm being a little funny, 2015 to 2025.
[00:09:38]  That's a microcosm of a generational pattern of gatekeeping.
[00:09:41]  Sometimes to make a point, you give a quote from somebody.
[00:09:43]  Right.
[00:09:44]  And then sometimes you give a hypothetical quote for the future that you think, right?
[00:09:49]  So I want to say, you know, give that disclaimer.
[00:09:51]  This is not an actual quote yet.
[00:09:55]  My prediction five to 10 years, you'll have someone like James Lindsay saying, Democrats are the real pedophiles.
[00:10:04]  So, like, and I say that because it really does kind of put a point on it.
[00:10:09]  When you think of, you know, what do you mean conservatives are just solidifying, shoring up the past victories of the left, just coming behind them, you know, five to 10 years later?
[00:10:22]  What I mean is precisely that.
[00:10:24]  I mean, now we have the conservative movement.
[00:10:27]  Where you have guys vehemently defending same sex marriage.
[00:10:33]  And it's not preposterous to think, so what does it mean to be a conservative?
[00:10:37]  Conservatives have conserved nothing, ever, ever, ever.
[00:10:44]  So the idea of saying that a conservative in the future, five to 10 years from now, would just say, well, Democrats are the real pedophiles, that's kind of what conservatives have done.
[00:10:58]  Right?
[00:10:58]  That's been our entire rhetoric for decades.
[00:11:02]  Democrats are the real racist.
[00:11:04]  Democrats are the real, you know.
[00:11:06]  But even that, what that proves is that conservatives have already assumed a leftist, Marxist frame, right?
[00:11:15]  So Democrats are the real racist, meaning what?
[00:11:18]  We concede all ground.
[00:11:20]  We admit that there are no distinctions in the world that God has created, that to even see color as a category at all is inherently wicked and sinful.
[00:11:34]  And we won't do it.
[00:11:37]  Well, here's the deal you think that's conservative, but every prior generation before the 1960s would have disagreed with you.
[00:11:48]  The liberals would have disagreed with you.
[00:11:50]  So you just have to admit, right?
[00:11:52]  You can say, well, they were wrong, and so we fixed it.
[00:11:54]  Okay, well, that's fine.
[00:11:55]  But then pick a different word besides conservative, because conservative implies you're conserving something.
[00:12:03]  But anytime you actually Pin a conservative down and talk to him about these kinds of things, they'll immediately pivot and say, Oh, well, yeah, we're not conserving old things because all the old people were racist and mean.
[00:12:15]  And so then you have to say, Okay, so then you're not actually a conservative.
[00:12:18]  You're a progressive, just a slower progressive than the other progressives, right?
[00:12:23]  There are quick progressives and slow progressives.
[00:12:26]  That's what a conservative is a slow progressive.
[00:12:29]  I personally am not interested in the slightest in either position.
[00:12:33]  I don't want to be a fast progressive or a slow progressive.
[00:12:36]  I want to be.
[00:12:38]  The new Christian right.
[00:12:39]  I want to be a Christ follower.
[00:12:42]  I want to be a voice in the wilderness crying out, make straight the way for the Lord.
[00:12:49]  I don't want to conserve anything from the 20th century, a good bit of the 19th century.
[00:12:56]  I want to, as the kids would say, return.
[00:13:00]  We must return.
[00:13:01]  Return like 20 years ago?
[00:13:03]  No.
[00:13:04]  Back to 2005.
[00:13:05]  Return.
[00:13:07]  Old school.
[00:13:08]  People forget because the cultural tide is shifting so quickly.
[00:13:11]  But I remember it was probably 2017, 2018.
[00:13:14]  Dave Rubin, a gay man, him and his partner adopting two boys.
[00:13:18]  And conservatives were all in his comments saying, Congratulations.
[00:13:23]  Congratulations on human trafficking two children away from their mother.
[00:13:28]  And we forget that.
[00:13:29]  Guys, those are the conservatives.
[00:13:31]  And the worst thing about it, if you can imagine the left going through a hallway and slamming open the door and breaking and transgressing boundaries, gay marriage, adoption, gays having children, as they go and they open those doors, Conservatives are coming in behind them.
[00:13:44]  They're closing the doors.
[00:13:46]  And with their gatekeeping, they're locking it.
[00:13:48]  So, like, here's the way the left progressed here, and here's the victory that they had.
[00:13:51]  And we're going to come in, we're going to take this space, and we're going to close the door on even going back to it.
[00:13:57]  And then what you have is young men saying, hey, actually, okay, we have gay marriage now.
[00:14:00]  This was passed, but this was vastly unpopular 10 years ago.
[00:14:03]  And so I'd like to return to a time where we didn't have gay marriage.
[00:14:07]  And Conservative Inc. says, you're off the reservation.
[00:14:09]  You were allowed to go this far.
[00:14:11]  We have solidified this victory for the left.
[00:14:13]  We will not be interested whatsoever in taking it back and rewinding it.
[00:14:17]  You can go no further.
[00:14:18]  And all that to say, all that to sum it up, They had a vice hold and they ruined many, many people's lives.
[00:14:25]  And Nick is not the only one.
[00:14:26]  There's people that have spent their entire careers, Pat Buchanan being one of them, other guys that are just finally re emerging.
[00:14:32]  They spent decades in the wilderness, decades being silenced.
[00:14:36]  And not silenced because they were unhinged, not silenced because they were crazy, not silenced because they were hateful, silenced because they were right.
[00:14:44]  They had the receipts, they had the evidence.
[00:14:46]  And conservatives in hand, oftentimes with liberals, said, We don't want anyone to hear from you ever again.
[00:14:53]  Right.
[00:14:54]  But that era is, and I think this interview that came out, this would have been Monday night.
[00:14:59]  I think that honestly signifies the end of it.
[00:15:02]  They had a very cordial discussion.
[00:15:03]  They had their disagreements, they had their differences.
[00:15:05]  We'll talk a little bit later about it.

=== Terrified Conservatives Want Him to Win (03:45) ===

[00:15:07]  But Tucker said, you know what?
[00:15:09]  I'm not going to do that.
[00:15:10]  I'm going to have this young man come in.
[00:15:12]  I'm going to sit down.
[00:15:13]  I'm going to hear him out.
[00:15:14]  I'm going to have dinner with it.
[00:15:15]  I think we would both like to go on the record and say, hey, we have listeners.
[00:15:19]  Some of them don't like Nick, some of them love Nick.
[00:15:21]  And honestly, perfectly fair.
[00:15:23]  You guys don't have to agree with us.
[00:15:24]  Yeah, you don't have to like Nick.
[00:15:25]  But as far as the gatekeeping goes, as far as being willing to have someone who's interesting, who's had something to say, and that people are listening to, 500,000 subscribers on Rumble, a million followers on X.
[00:15:38]  This is a guy people are listening to to say, hey, I've heard a lot about him.
[00:15:41]  He had a million on X, and he had 400,000 on X just earlier this year.
[00:15:46]  Yeah.
[00:15:47]  Generational.
[00:15:48]  Huge.
[00:15:49]  Yeah, huge increase.
[00:15:50]  So you don't have to agree with the guy to say, this is someone that people are listening to.
[00:15:54]  This is someone, young men who are setting up the future of this country.
[00:15:58]  They're listening to him.
[00:15:59]  And you know what?
[00:16:00]  You can't tell me a grown man with my platform, Tucker Carlson's not with Fox anymore.
[00:16:05]  You can't tell me a grown man who I can and can't have on my show.
[00:16:08]  That's right.
[00:16:08]  So I'm going to bring him in.
[00:16:09]  I'm going to ask him about what I want to ask him about.
[00:16:12]  And as far as, again, maybe you disagree with our take, we would both say that is a good thing that gatekeeping is ending.
[00:16:18]  Let people's arguments stand on their own merits.
[00:16:22]  Let them stand or fall based on the person, their character, their arguments, the weight, on the merits of what they're actually advocating for.
[00:16:30]  Let that happen.
[00:16:31]  And I think people would be surprised.
[00:16:33]  You know, I want to give an example here.
[00:16:36]  Most of you probably familiar have heard the name David Duke, former Grand Klansman in the KKK.
[00:16:41]  Right.
[00:16:41]  And honestly, a degenerate.
[00:16:43]  In the 90s, he was telling people he was broke, that he needed all these donations to run for office.
[00:16:47]  He was using that money to gamble, and he actually spent time in prison.
[00:16:50]  He denied it.
[00:16:50]  He claims that they had the case rigged against him.
[00:16:53]  But I mean, the dude spent time in prison for embezzling money.
[00:16:56]  And he's never really accomplished, to be honest, much in life.
[00:16:59]  He ran numerous times for the United States House of Representatives, never even got close, never even was competitive.
[00:17:05]  Well, earlier this year and some of last year, he actually kind of started making the rounds.
[00:17:09]  He was on Hodge Twins, he was on Jake Shields' podcast.
[00:17:12]  And so, if you're saying, oh, no, no, gatekeeping is good.
[00:17:15]  We have to keep these people out because if they get into the public consciousness, if people hear what they actually have to say, they're so antagonistic, they're so combative, they're going to draw people in and we won't be able to stop talking about them.
[00:17:29]  They're going to dominate the discourse.
[00:17:31]  Well, I don't know about you, Joel.
[00:17:33]  I have not heard much about David Duke.
[00:17:35]  He came.
[00:17:36]  And then people realized actually, he doesn't have a lot of substance.
[00:17:38]  He doesn't have substance.
[00:17:39]  Yep.
[00:17:39]  And he left.
[00:17:40]  So we're going to give him a chance.
[00:17:42]  Oh, you can't do that because if you give him any oxygen at all, then he's going to come roaring into a flame and burn down the entire country.
[00:17:52]  No.
[00:17:53]  The only people who are actually capable of doing that are people who have something to say, they have some substance.
[00:17:59]  And that's the whole thing on the one hand, you kind of have to make up your mind.
[00:18:03]  So either Nick is a gay fed and retarded, in which case, him going on Tucker Carlson is just going to convince a lot of people that he's a gay fed and retarded.
[00:18:13]  And everybody's going to laugh at him and they're not going to hear him, and his numbers on his own channel will start to go down and he'll fade into obscurity.
[00:18:22]  Or you're saying, I don't want anybody to give even an ounce of limelight to Nick because he's compelling, he has substance, he's persuasive, he's right, not about everything, but about enough, about a lot of things.
[00:18:39]  And I actually am terrified, and not just terrified, but I actually despise right wing ideology.
[00:18:48]  And I don't want it to win the day.
[00:18:50]  So I need to fight it unfairly.

=== Early Adopters Fear Obscurity (15:18) ===

[00:18:53]  I need to take right wing views and tie their hands behind their back.
[00:18:59]  And I think it's the latter.
[00:19:00]  I think we just have to admit that a lot of the people who are coming out, they'll say, well, he's just so terrible or he's so horrible or he's this or he's that.
[00:19:12]  But that's not really, I don't think that's true.
[00:19:14]  I don't think that's what people really mean.
[00:19:17]  I think what they really mean is we're terrified that he's winning.
[00:19:20]  We're terrified that he's going to win.
[00:19:23]  And we don't want him to win because, at the end of the day, we don't actually want America to be right wing.
[00:19:30]  We want America to be a neo con nation.
[00:19:34]  We want George Bush America, right?
[00:19:37]  We want Israel as our greatest ally.
[00:19:40]  Yes, you know, God's called men to be leaders in their home, but we want to still reserve the right to define what that means.
[00:19:49]  And what does it mean, of course?
[00:19:50]  Absolutely nothing.
[00:19:52]  We still want to say.
[00:19:54]  That we value women and maybe not put them in combat positions in the military, but everything else, they can function just like a man.
[00:20:00]  We want our women, our blonde haired women in pantsuits, making speeches, pacing back and forth behind a podium and telling men what to do.
[00:20:10]  We love that.
[00:20:11]  Those are American values and represent freedom.
[00:20:13]  Like, so my point is that's conservatism.
[00:20:17]  That's what it is.
[00:20:18]  And so I just would appreciate if conservatives would be honest and just come out and say, we're libs.
[00:20:24]  We are libs.
[00:20:26]  And yes, we don't.
[00:20:27]  We don't want these things to get oxygen, to get airtime, because we are trying to conserve liberalism.
[00:20:38]  And I think it's for me, I tweeted something out the other day.
[00:20:43]  I have known, you know, it's like three years ago, you know, four years, it was probably four years ago, I recognized James Lindsay is not a conservative.
[00:20:51]  Right.
[00:20:53]  And then about that, about that was four, maybe four or five years ago, no, three, four years ago.
[00:20:59]  And then about one year ago, I realized, And this is a shift.
[00:21:04]  I want to try to illustrate it for you.
[00:21:05]  So let's say three, four years ago, I realized James Lindsay is not a conservative.
[00:21:10]  One year ago, I realized James Lindsay is a conservative.
[00:21:15]  And I hope you pick up what I mean by that.
[00:21:18]  So at first, it's like he's not really a conservative.
[00:21:21]  Later on, as I got older and saw a little bit more, learned a little bit more, I realized, oh, the problem is not James Lindsay not being a conservative.
[00:21:29]  The problem is not James Lindsay.
[00:21:30]  The problem is the entire conservative movement.
[00:21:33]  James actually is a conservative.
[00:21:35]  I think he's a perfect representation, actually, of what a conservative is.
[00:21:39]  A liberal atheist who spent his young adult years trying to destroy the Church of Jesus Christ, who says that amateur porn is an expression of freedom of speech.
[00:21:50]  That's conservative.
[00:21:51]  That's what it means.
[00:21:52]  That's literally what it means.
[00:21:53]  So when I finally kind of realized that, I realized, oh, I don't need to be making the arguments, James Lindsay is not a true conservative.
[00:22:01]  I just need to be perfectly comfortable and say, Joel Webbin is not a conservative.
[00:22:06]  Now that I've seen behind the curtain, I know what it means to actually be a conservative.
[00:22:10]  I don't want anything to do with it.
[00:22:12]  Joel Webbin is not a conservative, and neither is Jesus Christ.
[00:22:16]  Jesus hates American conservatism.
[00:22:20]  I believe that.
[00:22:23]  So that's why there's the gatekeeping.
[00:22:25]  That's why there's kind of the full press attack, full court press against someone like Nick Fuentes going on Tucker Carlson.
[00:22:35]  There's a lot to preserve right now.
[00:22:39]  And I think that conservatives are really, really feeling the heat.
[00:22:43]  They're really feeling like the threat is right on their back.
[00:22:46]  They realize, man, we've got a good thing going right now.
[00:22:50]  And we can't afford to lose this.
[00:22:52]  And so that's, I think, where we're at.
[00:22:55]  I was going to say, too, media, it reveals who people really are.
[00:22:59]  Like, say someone is truly hateful.
[00:23:00]  And I actually think of, I think she's the senator from California, Katie Porter.
[00:23:05]  She came out, this was a clip from like 2023, where she is screaming and cursing at an intern.
[00:23:11]  People can fake it for a while.
[00:23:13]  But on a long enough timeline, if someone stays in the public light and they're interacting with people, I think of Jesus who says, like, what is done in secret will be shouted from the rooftops.
[00:23:22]  Who people really are, it actually can't be hidden forever.
[00:23:25]  So you can come out and say, well, this guy got platformed and he's running a psyop on all of you and he's not really this and he's really hateful in his heart.
[00:23:32]  I actually don't have a lot of fear that long term, 10, 20 years, someone could run that play because over and over and over again, whether it's men that have had affairs, whether it's people that are abusive to their staff, whether it's people that embezzle money, Every single person I would say that's not truly made, especially, well, men, especially, of the stuff of a good man that have staying power, they get revealed.
[00:23:55]  Yeah, actually, this person is, oh, he paid other people to write his sermons for him.
[00:24:00]  Guys like J.D. Greer.
[00:24:02]  Oh, this person is actually behind the scenes.
[00:24:05]  They're a terrible, awful person to work with.
[00:24:08]  Oh, this man isn't faithful to his wife, the attorney general of Texas, Ken Paxton.
[00:24:13]  So over and over again, if someone doesn't have staying power, being in public, Is absolutely this beautiful litmus test that I would say chops up and grinds out all of the fakers.
[00:24:23]  It's a really good way of it being done.
[00:24:25]  And so I don't have a lot of fear.
[00:24:28]  Someone has a platform, someone ascends to this level, someone passed this test and made it to the next part.
[00:24:32]  Well, we'll see who they are when the pressure is on, when they're called to recant.
[00:24:36]  We'll see in an age where the internet is forever what have they literally said on camera?
[00:24:40]  There's no like vaccines or leaked footage.
[00:24:43]  What are they literally saying up front today, daily on their show, weekly on whatever podcast they produced?
[00:24:49]  Those are really great litmus tests.
[00:24:51]  And they often reveal who someone really is.
[00:24:53]  So I don't have a fear of he's got a platform and he's going to be saying these things.
[00:24:57]  People will see through it.
[00:24:58]  And I think they have an incredible ability, especially men who can be protective and discerning.
[00:25:03]  They can see it and say, nah, this guy isn't for real.
[00:25:06]  Or alternatively, someone makes it and they say, yeah, actually, this guy is legit.
[00:25:11]  He actually is sharp.
[00:25:12]  And I can see these aspects, not just talking about Nick here, but I can see these aspects of his character, these things of virtue shining through.
[00:25:19]  Obviously, I'm biased, but like in the last couple of years, Joel.
[00:25:21]  Number of people have tried to be at sermons or be at this, like take him out and clip him out and pull him out and say, You can't platform this guy.
[00:25:28]  You can't be friends with this guy.
[00:25:30]  But then people actually come out and they say, No, actually, I know Joel.
[00:25:34]  He's the real deal.
[00:25:35]  And he's right about this.
[00:25:36]  And he's been right about that.
[00:25:37]  Even with Charlie Kirk, a number of people came and they said, I thought you were going too far.
[00:25:41]  I thought you were off the reservation.
[00:25:43]  Then I watched Charlie Kirk get shot by a violent leftist and I realized, no, Joel was right.
[00:25:48]  He was just early.
[00:25:49]  So the public square, I would say it does reveal the truth, not immediately over time, but over time.
[00:25:55]  Yeah, well said.
[00:25:56]  So, yeah, we think that gatekeeping for conservatives is largely a net negative.
[00:26:04]  And has been for quite some time.
[00:26:06]  And I've seen people in the comments saying, you know, it's more than 10 years.
[00:26:09]  It's been at least two generations, you know, going all the way back to Buckley, you know, gatekeeping against Buchanan and all these things.
[00:26:15]  And that's absolutely true.
[00:26:16]  I guess what we're expressing is not, you know, gatekeeping among conservatives in terms of its entire history, like the history of the neocons, you know.
[00:26:25]  But we're saying, at least in its most recent and heightened expression of, you know, social media, podcasts, Those kinds of things.
[00:26:36]  It really does feel like that's been a 10 year period now from 2015 to 2025.
[00:26:43]  And I'll add with that, it is one of the reasons why the Daily Wire became so successful.
[00:26:49]  And for those of you who are fans of the Daily Wire, I think you do need to at least recognize that.
[00:26:54]  On the one hand, the Daily Wire was early, early just to media and podcasting and these kinds of things, starting their company in Jeremy Boyle's Poolhouse.
[00:27:05]  And podcasting before podcasting even really took off, before it became as big as it was.
[00:27:11]  So, being an early adopter is a big part of it.
[00:27:16]  That's part of why Joe Rogan is so popular.
[00:27:18]  It's not just because he was in media and television and things like that previously, but also, I mean, Joe Rogan was one of the first podcasters.
[00:27:27]  He was an early adopter.
[00:27:29]  So, Daily Wire became popular for a number of reasons.
[00:27:33]  Some of those are credits to them, like being early adopters.
[00:27:37]  And having a good business strategy, at least initially, and those kinds of things.
[00:27:41]  But also, one of the reasons Daily Wire just soared into total ascendancy is because Daily Wire in 2020 through 2024, when a lot of people were completely blacklisted or suppressed, Daily Wire definitely had some challenges.
[00:28:03]  I remember hearing about them being throttled a little bit on Facebook and things like that.
[00:28:10]  But for the most part, Daily Wire, part of the reason I think of like Forrest Gump.
[00:28:15]  Forrest Gump, you know, he strikes it rich with his shrimp boat because all the other shrimp boats get destroyed in the storm.
[00:28:21]  And so he's the only one.
[00:28:22]  So the competition is gone.
[00:28:23]  Part of the reason the Daily Wire was successful is because they were kind of right there in that sweet spot.
[00:28:28]  And what I mean by that is they were more conservative than any mainstream thing, than Fox News or, you know, anything else, but they were also constantly playing it safe.
[00:28:40]  Right, constantly hedging their bets.
[00:28:43]  I mean, Ben Shapiro, like, let's just be honest.
[00:28:45]  Uh, Ben Shapiro has, I mean, he was wrong on every major issue for the last five years.
[00:28:52]  He, Ben Shapiro, it's like you think of the Daily Wire, stalwart, you know, conservative.
[00:28:56]  I mean, Ben Shapiro was arguing for the vaccine, arguing against Trump, and I'm not talking about just for like you know, the first eight weeks, fucking like a year in, and he's still saying, you know, the vaccine doesn't make sense for everyone.
[00:29:08]  You know, he'd give the caveats, like, maybe not for your kids, but yeah, adults should get the vaccine.
[00:29:13]  And we're talking, like, I'm talking, it's, it's, we're coming up on 2022, even in 2022.
[00:29:20]  Ben Shapiro was largely wrong about COVID, or the most charitable way I could say it is barely right.
[00:29:28]  And then, you know, so with a lot of these kinds of issues, my point is part of the success of the Daily Wire is early adopter, right place, right time, those kinds of things.
[00:29:39]  But also, they really did play it safe.
[00:29:42]  And so, kind of like the Forrest Gump analogy, they got to, you know, to go around, you know, fishing the pond, you know, casting out the net for shrimp, and every other ship has been, you know, destroyed.
[00:29:55]  Whereas Nick Fuentes, when you put it into perspective, right, the guy just hit a million followers on X.
[00:30:02]  And he was banned from X for years.
[00:30:06]  And just, I think he just came back in 2024.
[00:30:09]  I think so, mid 2024.
[00:30:11]  He's been back on for barely a year, barely a year.
[00:30:15]  I mean, he's still banned from YouTube.
[00:30:18]  So people say, well, he's fringe or he's, yes, he has been made fringe by the elites, by the overlords.
[00:30:25]  Imagine if Nick Fuentes, not just today, right, but all along had a YouTube channel, had an X account, had all the things that the Daily Wire had.
[00:30:35]  I think he'd be bigger than Ben Shapiro by a long shot.
[00:30:38]  I think, even with running with weights on his ankles for the past 10 years, I think he will still give it enough time, be bigger than Ben Shapiro.
[00:30:47]  I really do.
[00:30:48]  So, the point is, when you have someone like that, I don't think it just represents, like, well, that's the danger of poisonous ideology and blah, blah.
[00:30:58]  No, I think when you have something like that, you have to ask why.
[00:31:01]  You can't just accuse and point the finger.
[00:31:04]  You have to stop, even if you don't like it, even if you don't like the idea or the principle or the person.
[00:31:09]  You have to stop at least for a moment and at least consider, ask the question why is this person that I hate, that I find to be so dangerous or so this or so that, why are they so popular?
[00:31:22]  Why is their material and their content so contagious?
[00:31:28]  Why is that?
[00:31:29]  Why is that?
[00:31:30]  And I think there are a lot of answers to that.
[00:31:32]  One of the answers is that Nick is actually right about a lot of things.
[00:31:36]  Another answer is because young men in the West have been absolutely despised.
[00:31:43]  Hated, suppressed, robbed of their inheritance, robbed of opportunities.
[00:31:48]  You're talking young white straight men, especially young white straight Christian men in the West for at least a decade, and I would argue longer, but at least the last decade in a palpable, tangible, unavoidable way have been hated, despised, and robbed.
[00:32:09]  And very few people have talked about it until recently.
[00:32:12]  Nick has been talking about it for 10 years.
[00:32:16]  There's a reason why he has the momentum that he does.
[00:32:19]  And to recognize that and to say, you know what?
[00:32:23]  Maybe he's wrong on some things.
[00:32:25]  Or maybe the way his rhetoric, the way that he says things, maybe that's wrong.
[00:32:31]  But the idea that he should not be able to get on an airplane, not be able to have a bank account, not be able to have a platform.
[00:32:38]  You've got all these other leftists talking about transing kids, and they're allowed on free speech platforms.
[00:32:45]  Transgenders were allowed on the White House lawn to celebrate Pride.
[00:32:48]  He can't take a flight despite never being charged.
[00:32:50]  Crazy.
[00:32:51]  Transgenders can shake body parts on the White House lawn and be lauded by the president.
[00:32:56]  Right.
[00:32:56]  These two don't seem very equal to me.
[00:32:58]  It's not right.
[00:32:59]  So, the gatekeeping from conservatives, I think, has been a plague.
[00:33:05]  I think it has been a plague.
[00:33:06]  And by God's grace, it's ending.
[00:33:09]  And Tucker Carlson being a part of that.
[00:33:11]  And he has a lot to lose.
[00:33:13]  I mean, he got a ton of flag over the last 48 hours for this decision.
[00:33:18]  And I don't think he's surprised by that.
[00:33:20]  I think he knew.
[00:33:21]  I think he absolutely knew what the fallout would be, and he did it anyways.
[00:33:26]  And he didn't do it because he agrees with Nick on everything.
[00:33:29]  He did it because, in the big picture, I think he knows that it's right.
[00:33:32]  It's not right that this 21 or 27 year old single man has been absolutely suppressed and silenced illegally in many cases for a decade.
[00:33:45]  So good on Tucker Carlson.
[00:33:47]  I like how you said gatekeeping from Conservative Inc.
[00:33:49]  Because actually, I don't think I don't want to put words in your mouth.
[00:33:52]  We're not actually critiquing gatekeeping as a whole.
[00:33:54]  If the right is ascendant and we win, You absolutely should gatekeep from the left.
[00:33:58]  Correct.
[00:33:59]  Yeah.
[00:33:59]  But in this case, there should not be transgender people on the White House lawn.
[00:34:03]  So it's like, well, wouldn't you gatekeep them if you guys were ever in power?
[00:34:07]  Of course.
[00:34:08]  Right.
[00:34:08]  That's why you have to win.
[00:34:09]  Well, how come you're allowed?
[00:34:10]  So you can gatekeep.
[00:34:10]  How come you're allowed to do that?

=== Right People Gatekeep the Platform (04:11) ===

[00:34:12]  Because we're right.
[00:34:15]  What is this equal standard?
[00:34:17]  I don't get it.
[00:34:18]  It's like we should have equal standards.
[00:34:20]  Christians should tolerate wickedness equally to wicked people tolerating righteousness.
[00:34:26]  Wait, what?
[00:34:27]  Hang on, it doesn't need to be equal at all.
[00:34:29]  Christians don't have to tolerate degeneracy, and degenerates absolutely must tolerate righteousness, or they need to go to jail or flee the country.
[00:34:39]  It's a wonderful principle, perfectly biblical.
[00:34:42]  No, there's nothing equal about it.
[00:34:44]  And that was some of Nick's critique early on.
[00:34:46]  He says there's a number of openly gay men that have platforms in the Conservative Party, and they're welcomed.
[00:34:53]  Why aren't they gatekept?
[00:34:55]  So, the kind of final takeaway here is well, do you want to gatekeep gay men?
[00:34:58]  Conservatives, which actually is not a misnomer, that's very consistent.
[00:35:02]  If we want to gatekeep gay conservatives, we actually seize power.
[00:35:05]  That's how we win all of this.
[00:35:07]  We do the gatekeeping.
[00:35:08]  The right people let the right people have the platform.
[00:35:11]  And we're celebrating an old, stale neoconservatism that gatekept for decades and kept everyone with even the mildest critique of our foreign support to Israel.
[00:35:22]  It kept them out of the limelight.
[00:35:24]  It kept them from having a job.
[00:35:25]  At its height, they couldn't even fly on a plane.
[00:35:28]  And that system died on Monday, which we say.
[00:35:33]  Amen.
[00:35:34]  Agreed.
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[00:39:17]  I want to start by reading a tweet.
[00:39:18]  So now we're going to be talking about the interview with Tucker and Nick in relation to kind of the latter portion of the interview where they started to talk about young men, young women.
[00:39:29]  The plight of young men, and how come young men aren't dating anymore?
[00:39:33]  How come they're not getting married anymore?
[00:39:35]  Those kinds of things.
[00:39:36]  So I tweeted in relation to that, kind of summing up that portion of the conversation.
[00:39:41]  And I said this Women, Western countries have become a hellhole.
[00:39:44]  We don't feel safe.
[00:39:46]  Men must step up.
[00:39:47]  Men, women vote overwhelmingly for pro immigration policies, and now they demand we risk our lives to protect them from the world that they made.
[00:39:57]  Tucker Carlson, the women are right.
[00:40:00]  Why are men choosing to be losers by not getting married?
[00:40:04]  This would be my response.
[00:40:06]  Thank God for giving Nick Fuentes the courage to say in front of millions what America's pastors refuse to say to their own congregations.
[00:40:16]  If people don't like Nick, then they should view him as God's indictment on the church and its clergy.
[00:40:24]  If you don't like Nick Fuentes, you should thank your pastor.
[00:40:31]  That's why people like him have become increasingly popular.
[00:40:35]  We got in a ton of trouble for saying this.
[00:40:37]  Months and months ago, but I'll say it again because it's true.
[00:40:40]  You don't like Andrew Tate.
[00:40:41]  You should thank your pastor.
[00:40:46]  Young men are absolutely being destroyed.
[00:40:51]  They're absolutely being destroyed.
[00:40:53]  And again, America's clergy refuses to address the very real problems of today.
[00:41:00]  Well, young men should just get married.
[00:41:02]  The entire legal system of our country is totally against men.
[00:41:08]  If you get married and you have children, your wife can lie, cheat, and go to the court, get a no fault divorce.
[00:41:18]  In some states, get it without having to ever have you sign off on it, without any approval at all.
[00:41:24]  She will win custody of the children.
[00:41:26]  She will win the house.
[00:41:27]  She will win your 401k.
[00:41:30]  She will leave you childless.
[00:41:31]  She will leave you destitute.
[00:41:33]  She will leave you homeless.
[00:41:36]  The legal system politically in our nation will be on her side.
[00:41:41]  Culturally, It's on her side.
[00:41:44]  Your own family members will very likely take her side.
[00:41:48]  And you know what?
[00:41:49]  You bet your bottom dollar, your church and your local pastors will take her side.
[00:41:56]  But, pastors, I promise you, like, she's lying.
[00:41:59]  That's not true.
[00:41:59]  That's not what happened.
[00:42:01]  I did this and I'm following what 1 Timothy says.
[00:42:03]  I'm following Ephesians 5.
[00:42:05]  Your pastors will look at you and say, no, you're toxic, you're too patriarchal.
[00:42:14]  You're totalitarian.
[00:42:16]  You're too heavy handed.
[00:42:18]  You're being harsh.
[00:42:21]  You can't win.
[00:42:22]  You can't win.
[00:42:23]  And this was a moment in the interview where I think Tucker Carlson kind of showed his age.
[00:42:28]  I think Tucker Carlson is great in many, many ways.
[00:42:32]  I'm grateful for him.
[00:42:34]  But at least at this portion, he showed that he's out of touch.
[00:42:37]  Plus, he also did the typical Tucker Carlson thing, which is funny.
[00:42:41]  I appreciate it.
[00:42:42]  He did it with Ted Cruz, right?
[00:42:43]  So, I mean, sometimes I think it's really effective where he feigns ignorance.
[00:42:48]  Right.
[00:42:48]  So he's like, really?
[00:42:49]  The Bible says that if we bless Israel, we'll be blessed.
[00:42:52]  Where does the Bible say that?
[00:42:54]  And then, you know, but he knows he actually knows the answer.
[00:42:57]  So he's feigning ignorance.
[00:42:59]  Right.
[00:42:59]  And then he's like, well, actually, it says it in Genesis 12 and da, da, da, da.
[00:43:02]  And, you know, and he pins you to the wall.
[00:43:05]  He did that with Tel Aviv Ted, and I was here for it.
[00:43:08]  You know, like it was great, beautiful.
[00:43:09]  So I'm not saying that this is inherently wrong, this style of interviewing that Tucker employs on a regular basis.
[00:43:16]  I think that it can be very strategic.
[00:43:18]  So I don't think it's immoral.
[00:43:21]  But there are certain times where it's like, okay, come on, man.
[00:43:23]  Like that level of feigning ignorance is not believable.
[00:43:27]  There was literally a portion of the interview where Tucker said, What is porn?
[00:43:32]  It's like, God, dude.
[00:43:34]  All right.
[00:43:34]  Like, okay, I'm pretty sure that a 56 year old man has heard the word porn before.
[00:43:42]  So, you know, so he's kind of like feigning ignorance with Nick and like, what is this?
[00:43:46]  And what's, you know, what's going on?
[00:43:48]  So there's some of the feigning ignorance, which, like I already said, is not inherently wrong.
[00:43:52]  It can be a good retard.
[00:43:53]  Rhetorical skill, it could be a good strategy, and then sometimes it's just unbelievable and a little bit silly.
[00:43:57]  But beyond that, right, feigning ignorance aside, the other element that was inescapable, everybody noticed, was that in a genuine sense, no feigning necessary for this, in a genuine sense, Tucker is, I think, stereotypical of most men in the country over the age of 50, even good conservative Christian men like Tucker.
[00:44:20]  They are simply out of touch when it comes to many of the struggles.
[00:44:26]  Of young single men.
[00:44:29]  But Nick is, you know, painfully in touch and aware of those.
[00:44:35]  That's it's, I mean, it's him.
[00:44:36]  He represents that sector of the populace.
[00:44:40]  And so, you know, Tucker's kind of like, well, I think you just, you know, you can fix it all by just getting married.
[00:44:46]  Well, for me as a pastor, I've been in those meetings.
[00:44:50]  I've done the marriage counseling.
[00:44:52]  I've walked with men as their wife leaves them and divorces them.
[00:44:58]  And they have no say in the matter and divorces him for unbiblical calls, for unbiblical reasons, and wins the court case and does this and does that.
[00:45:08]  And by God's grace, I've been in, you know, not many, but at least, you know, at least one experience where the court actually, by God's grace, sided with the husband.
[00:45:20]  And God, believe it or not, God actually used that to change the wife's heart.
[00:45:26]  And it was a wonderful thing.
[00:45:27]  And so, but, By and large, we know that the current system that we live in, politically, legally, culturally, and religiously, when it comes to the clergy, spiritually, everything is against men, especially against young single men.
[00:45:46]  And I think that Nick was able to articulate that.
[00:45:51]  Now, Nick doesn't have all the solutions that I would like to hear him espouse, but he has his fingers on the pulse in a very, very close way.
[00:46:02]  In terms of his diagnoses, in terms of the problem, what did you think?
[00:46:08]  It's interesting how embellished he is of that group of men that are under 30 and unmarried.
[00:46:13]  So Nick is 27.
[00:46:14]  He kind of falls right between 25, 30.
[00:46:16]  And historically, a lot of men were married by that time in life.
[00:46:19]  So a lot of men had a wife.
[00:46:22]  A lot of men maybe had a kid or two.
[00:46:24]  A lot of men had a home.
[00:46:26]  But Nick is, he's 27.
[00:46:27]  He's unmarried.
[00:46:28]  He doesn't have children.
[00:46:29]  And he's symbolic of, and you guys have to understand this, I'm not trying to sensationalize or, Or just needlessly talk up.
[00:46:36]  But Nick is the perfect image of the type of man that exists now and is saying the modern dating market, the modern marriage market is wrecked.
[00:46:47]  For one, a big one is hey, I'm right wing.
[00:46:49]  Well, most single women in that age bracket are left wing.
[00:46:53]  So he's saying, hey, I'm a single man, I'm a right wing man.
[00:46:56]  I believe in tradition, I believe in Christianity, I believe in the rule of law, I believe in that race is a real category.
[00:47:02]  And for one, that makes me diametrically opposed, very different from liberal women.
[00:47:07]  And two, I recognize, unlike you, Tucker, in your time when you got married and as you've grown up, unlike in that time, we're seeing feminism.
[00:47:15]  They talked about feminism.
[00:47:16]  It's kind of awesome to hear Tucker say, you know, I believe in patriarchy.
[00:47:19]  That's how the universe is made.
[00:47:21]  But they're talking about feminism.
[00:47:22]  And it's fascinating.
[00:47:23]  And they put their finger on this.
[00:47:25]  Women don't even like feminism when you get down to it.
[00:47:28]  Like, do they truly, literally give them a lie detector test?
[00:47:31]  Do you want to go to the office?
[00:47:32]  Do you want to work under fluorescent lights for 60 hours a week and have no children by 35?
[00:47:38]  Is that really what you desire in life?
[00:47:40]  Most women, you give them a lie detector test, they would say, No, no, that's actually not what I really want.
[00:47:45]  They've been told it.
[00:47:47]  Women are very consensus driven.
[00:47:48]  So the consensus has said, Go out, have a career, work the job, make money, be your own boss.
[00:47:54]  But they don't actually really want that.
[00:47:55]  So Nick is saying, We're right wing.
[00:47:57]  Women are not.
[00:47:58]  These women think they want a career.
[00:48:00]  And it's very hard to work uphill with decades of propaganda.
[00:48:03]  It's hard to work uphill when every TV show, every movie, every advert, everything, be it on social media, says, Go out, work, have the job.
[00:48:12]  So he's saying, Tucker, you don't get it.
[00:48:15]  The selection for people to date, the arrangements, the contexts.
[00:48:19]  There's a good book called Bowling Alone.
[00:48:21]  There used to be clubs of whether it would be dances or things that were local to the town.
[00:48:28]  What were the purpose of these things?
[00:48:29]  What were they for?
[00:48:30]  Oh, for men and women to interact so they could find someone to date and find someone to marry.
[00:48:34]  Those have all gone away.
[00:48:36]  So where would I meet someone?
[00:48:37]  How would I find someone that's aligned with me politically?
[00:48:39]  How would I find someone that would be willing to stay home and take care of the home and raise children?
[00:48:45]  Very, very, very hard.
[00:48:46]  And I would say to pastors and men that lead men in other contexts, you have to look at Nick and be aware these are the type of men that are all around you.
[00:48:53]  They're in this age bracket.
[00:48:55]  They're working.
[00:48:56]  The dating market is not going well for them.
[00:48:58]  They're a little rough around the edges.
[00:48:59]  But these are the men that are prime for discipleship to be told stand up.
[00:49:04]  I agree that it's hard, but you can get married.
[00:49:07]  There are still good women out there.
[00:49:09]  There are still jobs to be had out there, right?
[00:49:11]  The job market is tough, tons of layoffs going on.
[00:49:13]  You still have to work.
[00:49:14]  There's still jobs out there.
[00:49:16]  And these are the young men I'm excited to actually see discipled and say, don't despair.
[00:49:20]  Don't give up on life.
[00:49:21]  You can do it and it can happen, but it won't be easy.
[00:49:25]  Right.
[00:49:25]  Exactly.
[00:49:25]  That last part is key.
[00:49:28]  I think coming off of BLM and wokeness and 2020 and all these kinds of things, again, conservative, big con, conservative Inc., they've responded by saying, well, victim narratives are simply that.
[00:49:42]  They're narratives and they're always false, they're always deceitful.
[00:49:46]  And so being a conservative means that we don't play the victim game, we don't purport a victim narrative.
[00:49:54]  But that's actually not true in reality or biblically.
[00:49:58]  The reality is that, and biblically, being a victim is actually an objective, real, legitimate category.
[00:50:07]  There actually are victims.
[00:50:09]  Irena is a victim.
[00:50:12]  Right.
[00:50:12]  I said, well, you know what?
[00:50:14]  She's just playing the victim.
[00:50:16]  No, she bled out and died on a train alone.
[00:50:20]  There are real victims.
[00:50:21]  So the Bible never teaches that it's inherently deceitful or immoral to claim victimhood because victims are real.
[00:50:30]  Victimhood is a real category.
[00:50:33]  What was wrong with 2020 and BLM is when people who are actually being treated unfairly in a positive light, they're actually getting more benefits than they've worked for, they're actually getting more opportunities than they're qualified for.
[00:50:48]  When that group that is not victimized claims victimhood and tries to get even more and is entitled unjustly, entitled without the merits, that's what is immoral.
[00:51:03]  That's what is.
[00:51:04]  Deceitful.
[00:51:05]  So victims actually do exist.
[00:51:08]  Well, who are the victims currently in our American context?
[00:51:11]  Well, I'll tell you, and I won't mince words.
[00:51:13]  The actual victims in our American context today are heritage Americans.
[00:51:20]  If you are a man, if you are a Christian man, if you are a non sodomite, gay, furry man, and if you are a white man, then you are objectively.
[00:51:35]  On the books, be it Ivy League schools, or be it the hiring processes of Fortune 500 companies, or be it certain tax brackets, or be it just the general cultural milieu, or even among the perception of your local elders at your local church.
[00:51:53]  If you are a young, white, single, straight man, you are in the year of our Lord 2025 here in these United States a legitimate victim.
[00:52:07]  So that's step one.
[00:52:09]  Step one is to tell the truth.
[00:52:14]  Right.
[00:52:14]  And what we see from kind of what Tucker Carlson did is like, well, I'm patriarchal.
[00:52:18]  And because I'm patriarchal, the man takes responsibility.
[00:52:22]  Nick responded really well by saying, yes, but responsibility, when completely untethered from any ounce of authority, is slavery.
[00:52:34]  Right.
[00:52:34]  If men are responsible, but all the rights and privileges and authority that are supposed to be in God's natural order coupled with that responsibility, if all the rights are severed, but all the duties remain, there's literally a biblical word for that.
[00:52:52]  It's bondage, it's slavery, it's totalitarian abuse.
[00:52:58]  That's what it is.
[00:52:59]  Imagine if we said to police officers, look, your duties remain, serve and protect.
[00:53:05]  Your rights, privilege, and authority is gone.
[00:53:08]  No badge, no gun.
[00:53:10]  So, no gun, no badge, but get out there and serve and protect.
[00:53:17]  That's literally like King David sending Uriah to the front lines and then withdrawing intentionally so that he would be put down and murdered in cold blood.
[00:53:26]  It's wicked, in other words.
[00:53:28]  It's wicked.
[00:53:29]  So, the first step to helping young men, there have to be solutions, right?
[00:53:32]  And you already mentioned some of those.
[00:53:34]  You can get married and you can get a job.
[00:53:36]  But that last part that you said, Wes, is key.
[00:53:38]  You said telling men it's possible, but acknowledging It's hard and it's harder now than it's been before.
[00:53:48]  And the difficulty attached with these things that are still possible, don't despair, don't lose hope.
[00:53:55]  But the difficulty, the increased difficulty, in many ways, the novel degree of difficulty, at least in recent decades here in the West, is real, it's legitimate, and it's unfair, it's immoral, it's wicked.

=== Practical Advice for Young Men (14:36) ===

[00:54:15]  You can do these things.
[00:54:16]  By God's grace, you can do these things.
[00:54:18]  However, it is much harder to do these things than it was for your parents.
[00:54:22]  And that's a fact and it's wicked.
[00:54:25]  You have been treated wickedly.
[00:54:29]  You have been robbed.
[00:54:31]  You have been mistreated.
[00:54:33]  You have had injustice done to you, really, truly, legitimately.
[00:54:41]  And if older men, if pastors, by God's grace, such as myself, will just start with that.
[00:54:47]  I'm telling you from experience, I have been able to say that, what I just said to young men, looking them in the eyes, and then their entire disposition, their physical disposition literally changes.
[00:55:01]  And then when I begin to articulate solutions, and you're going to have to work this much harder, and you're going to have to pursue these strategies and these avenues, I can tell they listen.
[00:55:12]  And then other guys who are patriarchal, but when they say they're patriarchal, this is what they mean.
[00:55:18]  All the responsibility of a man, none of the rights, privileges, and authority of a man.
[00:55:22]  When they give similar solutions, right?
[00:55:25]  Some of the solutions are actually similar to the ones I give, but they skip over the reality of the difficulty and unfairness of the situation.
[00:55:36]  They skip that part.
[00:55:37]  So there's no acknowledgement, there's no admission, there's no sympathy, there's no compassion, there's no grieving with those who grieve.
[00:55:46]  There's none of that.
[00:55:46]  It's just straight to the solutions.
[00:55:48]  Well, you know, things may be tough, but.
[00:55:51]  You're called to be a man, so man up.
[00:55:53]  You know, yes, women today are voting for communism in mass numbers.
[00:56:03]  And you know what that means?
[00:56:04]  It means you're just going to have to be enlisted and go die for Israel even harder.
[00:56:08]  Be a man.
[00:56:10]  I'm telling you, that does not work.
[00:56:13]  It doesn't work.
[00:56:14]  But if you say what I was willing to say, victimhood is a real category.
[00:56:20]  Black people are not victims objectively.
[00:56:22]  On the books.
[00:56:23]  They're not victims, not today, not in 2025, and have not been for quite a while.
[00:56:28]  White, single, straight Christian men are.
[00:56:32]  That victimhood is real and that victimhood is unjust.
[00:56:36]  It's actually wicked.
[00:56:38]  You have been sinned against by every sector of society by your pastors, by evangelical churches, by your government, by corporations, at every level.
[00:56:50]  Boomers, instead of laying up an inheritance for their children's children, drive around with a bumper sticker on the back of their car that says, Spending my kids' inheritance.
[00:57:00]  That's wicked.
[00:57:02]  And it's real.
[00:57:03]  But I love you.
[00:57:05]  Now listen to me.
[00:57:06]  Let's do it together.
[00:57:07]  It's going to be hard, but I'm with you.
[00:57:09]  Let's do it together.
[00:57:11]  I'm telling you, I've never met a young man who won't listen to that.
[00:57:14]  I won't.
[00:57:14]  I've never met him.
[00:57:16]  Even in the chat, people agree.
[00:57:18]  They're like, yep, I would listen to that.
[00:57:20]  Wish my pastor would say that.
[00:57:21]  Wish my dad would say that.
[00:57:23]  Wish my older brother would say that.
[00:57:26]  Tucker, back to the interview, did not say that.
[00:57:29]  He didn't.
[00:57:30]  And I like Tucker, but I have to say that was an L.
[00:57:35]  And I think that that simply is a reflection of the fact that he's 56.
[00:57:39]  I don't know any man over the age of 50 in the United States of America that gets it.
[00:57:45]  Right.
[00:57:45]  They're all wrong.
[00:57:47]  Sad.
[00:57:48]  I mean, it's really sad because you want to talk about what's biblical.
[00:57:52]  Well, here's another thing that's biblical the fifth commandment honor thy father.
[00:57:56]  Honor thy father.
[00:57:58]  And I really believe that young men want to honor their fathers, their familial father, literal father.
[00:58:05]  They're political fathers, civil fathers, they're spiritual fathers, right?
[00:58:09]  Pastors and leaders and elders.
[00:58:13]  I really do believe that.
[00:58:14]  I believe that young men today want to honor God by obeying the fifth commandment and honoring their fathers.
[00:58:20]  But it's really hard when an entire generation, when it comes to the fifth commandment and honoring their fathers, they can look to their fathers and say, I literally can't find a single one of them that's behaving honorably.
[00:58:34]  How do I obey the fifth commandment to honor my father when I have no honorable fathers?
[00:58:39]  We are in a fatherless moment in the West.
[00:58:43]  That's how we got here.
[00:58:44]  We are in a fatherless moment in the West.
[00:58:47]  And that has to be felt.
[00:58:49]  It has to be acknowledged.
[00:58:51]  And yes, that's not a license to despair or to give up or to check out, right?
[00:58:56]  You got to work with what you're given.
[00:58:58]  And in our case, we were given very little, and you have to work with it nonetheless.
[00:59:01]  But to skip to that part, we've got to work with it without even the admission or the acknowledgement of what dire straits we're in.
[00:59:10]  I think, is, well, there's another verse in the Bible for that.
[00:59:13]  Fathers, do not exasperate your sons.
[00:59:18]  Today's sons of the West have been fully and completely and totally exasperated by every single father in society.
[00:59:29]  Every single father has chosen not to be a father like our heavenly father, but to be a father like Pharaoh in Egypt bricks, but no straw.
[00:59:40]  And that's exactly what Tucker did.
[00:59:42]  Bricks make them, but no straw.
[00:59:45]  Responsibility and duties of marriage and children remain, but no acknowledgement of the fact that women are atrocious today.
[00:59:56]  They are immodest.
[00:59:58]  They're hoes.
[01:00:00]  They're dumb, like literally intellectually unintelligent.
[01:00:04]  They are shallow.
[01:00:06]  They are deceitful.
[01:00:08]  They are wicked.
[01:00:09]  They are vile.
[01:00:11]  They vote for trannies.
[01:00:14]  I'm not making it up.
[01:00:16]  It is a 45, objectively, 45 point difference between young men and young women today.
[01:00:24]  That's where we're at.
[01:00:25]  45 point difference.
[01:00:26]  Women are radical progressives.
[01:00:29]  Men are trending right wing.
[01:00:32]  Men are returning to church.
[01:00:34]  Many women are not.
[01:00:35]  Are some women?
[01:00:36]  Yes.
[01:00:37]  But is it objectively less women than the men returning to church?
[01:00:42]  Yes.
[01:00:43]  It has to be said.
[01:00:45]  And there has to be compassion.
[01:00:47]  You have to convince the young man that you're speaking with that you understand and that you're sorry, that you're genuinely sorry.
[01:00:55]  And then begin to instruct him in what to do.
[01:01:00]  That's what you have to do.
[01:01:01]  If you don't do that, you will not experience any success.
[01:01:04]  Any thoughts on that, Wes?
[01:01:05]  I was going to say, praise God that Nick at that time, as that topic came up, said, no, it's actually not like that, Tucker.
[01:01:11]  So Tucker gave the view you espoused.
[01:01:13]  He did the right thing.
[01:01:14]  And maybe genuinely, like he genuinely thinks, no, it's not that bad.
[01:01:17]  A man just needs to, he needs to print out a resume, go in and shake a hand.
[01:01:20]  And Nick said, speaking for these millions of young white men, he said, no, no, no, respectfully, it is not like that.
[01:01:28]  And probably a lot of men felt like, Man, that's how I felt.
[01:01:31]  I couldn't articulate it, couldn't put it to words.
[01:01:33]  I've heard the other side, right?
[01:01:34]  I've heard the Tucker thing, like, just get out there.
[01:01:36]  Come on.
[01:01:37]  You know, just find a good woman and get married.
[01:01:39]  I've heard that side of it.
[01:01:40]  But actually, for the first time, I heard someone say on the other side, no, actually, it's not fair.
[01:01:46]  Now you've got to follow that up with, but all of your ancestors fought through adversity as well.
[01:01:51]  Like at the end of the day, you're here because you have thousands and thousands of thousands of men in your lineage that overcame starvation, that overcame war, that overcame famine.
[01:02:00]  If you're here in America, they migrated across the seas, probably many of them.
[01:02:04]  My ancestors were born in the world.
[01:02:05]  Endured harsh encounters, plagues, sickness, fighting Indians, all kinds of things.
[01:02:11]  We're still fighting Indians.
[01:02:12]  That one's still going on.
[01:02:13]  It's a different Indian this time, but yes, that's still happening.
[01:02:16]  Used to, it was bows and arrows with native Indians.
[01:02:20]  And now it's kind of like balls of cow dung with a different kind of it.
[01:02:25]  It's like born too late to fight Indians for my homeland, born just in time to fight Indians for my homeland.
[01:02:31]  So you need the second part to it too, but it was great.
[01:02:34]  That on a platform that big with as many views as it's going to have, I think was the best part of the interview.
[01:02:39]  It was.
[01:02:39]  No.
[01:02:39]  That was the best part.
[01:02:40]  It is not like this anymore.
[01:02:41]  Nick nailed it on that part.
[01:02:43]  In the spirit of solutions, though, practical solutions, let me give you just one and then we'll go to our last commercial break and then we're going to deal with the super chat.
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[01:03:18]  Correct me if I'm wrong, but we simply do not have time to get to the non super chats.
[01:03:23]  So if you really have a burning question, even if it's two bucks or whatever, that just moves it to the top of the pile and ensures that we will do it.
[01:03:33]  That's been our policy, even if it requires us to stay here for three hours, we will do.
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[01:03:42]  All right, bit of practical advice, just one piece of practical advice, and we'll do, you know, future episodes on this topic and be more thorough and give more advice in the future.
[01:03:52]  But for today, one bit of practical advice, and I know it seems painfully practical, but I think it merits saying if you're looking to be married, because it is such a risk right now, because the moment that you get married and have children, you are legally subjugated to that woman.
[01:04:11]  She has All the power in our legal system, judicially, politically, culturally, spiritually, the elders of your church will take her side, not yours.
[01:04:22]  At every single level, she has all the power.
[01:04:25]  And the only way that you even have a snowball's chance in hell of having a good marriage in a context where she's being consistently affirmed in sin is if she herself, she's your only hope, she herself would have to be able to look to all of society and say, You're wrong.
[01:04:49]  My husband's right.
[01:04:51]  She has to be able to look to her parents who are trying to affirm her.
[01:04:55]  In feminism and say, You're wrong, my husband's right.
[01:04:59]  She has to be able to look at her pastors and say, You're wrong, my husband's right.
[01:05:03]  Look at judges and court systems and laws and bills.
[01:05:07]  You're wrong, my husband's right.
[01:05:09]  Every TV show, all the media, all the influencers, You're wrong, my husband is right.
[01:05:14]  She has to be able to look at conservative Christian female influencers at conferences and say, You're wrong, my husband is right.
[01:05:24]  An incredible amount of resolve.
[01:05:27]  And a woman like this is insanely rare.
[01:05:30]  So, the first step to a good marriage is quite obvious, but you must find a unicorn.
[01:05:37]  In today's context, you have to find an exceedingly rare woman.
[01:05:42]  So, one piece of practical advice would be well, where do you find something that's so rare?
[01:05:47]  Well, if you want to find something that is rare, you need to go somewhere that is rare.
[01:05:53]  And so, what I'm saying is this there may only be.
[01:05:58]  Hundreds, not thousands, not millions, hundreds of actual biblically qualified bachelorettes currently in the country.
[01:06:09]  I think that that's plausible.
[01:06:12]  Likewise, there are probably only dozens of biblically faithful churches in the country.
[01:06:20]  So your best chance of finding that rare woman is going to that rare context where she's most likely to be.
[01:06:30]  One of those rare faithful churches, which means you might have to move.
[01:06:36]  That's why I wrote Fight by Flight, got a bunch of flack for like, well, I can do what I want.
[01:06:40]  Don't buy my conscience, don't tell.
[01:06:42]  I can live in California and stand the test of time and be faithful like Lot, righteous Lot who suffered while he lived in Sodom.
[01:06:52]  Yeah, but what happened?
[01:06:52]  Eventually he had to leave Sodom and it was burned.
[01:06:56]  And so the reason why I wrote that book was about economic and political policies and all these different things.
[01:07:03]  But another application.
[01:07:04]  Of that concept, the biblical principle of fleeing, righteous fleeing from wicked places to go to a righteous place.
[01:07:12]  Another application would be in pursuit of marriage, in pursuit of finding a spouse.
[01:07:19]  If a righteous woman, the one that I just described, is so exceedingly rare in today's climate, then you're probably going to have to make some tough choices and go to extreme measures to be in the type of place where these few women might be found.
[01:07:38]  You might have to change jobs.
[01:07:39]  You might have to move across the country.
[01:07:42]  You might have to change churches.
[01:07:44]  I can't find a woman, Joel.
[01:07:45]  I can't get married.
[01:07:47]  Every Christian woman I meet is a lib.
[01:07:49]  Okay.
[01:07:50]  What church do you go to?
[01:07:52]  Well, I go to a mega church of 2,000 people, you know, with laser lights and fog machines, and they preach sermons about how we should support Israel.
[01:08:02]  Or on the other end.
[01:08:03]  Oh, okay.
[01:08:04]  You can't find a truly biblically righteous woman there?
[01:08:09]  Of course you can't.
[01:08:11]  Of course, you can't.
[01:08:12]  You want to find a biblical, qualified, single woman?
[01:08:16]  You're going to have to move and go to a church like ours.
[01:08:19]  Yep.
[01:08:20]  2000 or sometimes 20.
[01:08:21]  It's like, I can't find any women in my church.
[01:08:22]  Oh, tell me about your church.
[01:08:23]  How many people attend?
[01:08:24]  How many families?
[01:08:25]  Well, it's two families and it's 20 people.
[01:08:28]  And God bless.
[01:08:29]  Sometimes those are some of the most faithful churches with dear old saints.
[01:08:32]  But if you're a young man looking to be married and there are literally no eligible women in your church, perfectly valid, perfectly permissible to say, I'm going to a bigger church, a church maybe I'm not fully aligned with.
[01:08:42]  I may be Presbyterian in conviction, but there's a church of 600 salt of the earth Baptists full of homeschooled families down the street.
[01:08:49]  Not personally Baptist, not by conviction, but you know what?

=== Securing Retirement in Gold (06:38) ===

[01:08:52]  This actually matters.
[01:08:53]  It's not just life, it's not just having the most pure doctrine possible at all stages and all times and attending the best church you possibly could.
[01:09:01]  Hey, in this time, in this season, this part of life, yep, I'm going to go to this church and find a spouse.
[01:09:05]  And in time, probably bring her back.
[01:09:07]  We'll join a more faithful church like this, but practically recognizing I've got to be where women are.
[01:09:12]  I need to go to singles mixers.
[01:09:13]  That's a big thing.
[01:09:14]  Some of these are out of state.
[01:09:15]  Like there's, I think Dallas has held a couple bigger ones.
[01:09:18]  Well, I live in Kansas.
[01:09:19]  I live in Oklahoma.
[01:09:20]  Make the drive.
[01:09:21]  Make the drive to a chiffin church.
[01:09:23]  Make the drive to a singles mixer.
[01:09:24]  Make the drive to a conference.
[01:09:26]  These are some of the things you're going to have to do.
[01:09:28]  No one's coming to save you.
[01:09:29]  You're absolutely right.
[01:09:30]  Right now, if you're listening to the broadcast live, YouTube, we are being informed, is down.
[01:09:38]  And so do us a favor, hang with us.
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[01:09:45]  So if you are watching on YouTube, you need to hop on over at X.
[01:09:49]  And the handle is at right response M as in ministries, at right response M as in ministries.
[01:09:55]  Now, I'm aware logically, if YouTube truly is down, Then everyone on YouTube can't hear me telling them to go to X.
[01:10:02]  And the only people who can hear me are those who are already on X.
[01:10:05]  And so everything I said makes no sense.
[01:10:07]  But I wanted to say it, anyways, as a demonstration of today's young women.
[01:10:12]  All right.
[01:10:13]  And that's probably not, it's probably not us specifically or the topic.
[01:10:17]  No.
[01:10:17]  Amazon Web Services are having a huge out of this afternoon.
[01:10:20]  So rest assured, we don't think YouTube is kicking us off.
[01:10:23]  I don't think so.
[01:10:24]  We're okay.
[01:10:25]  But for now, you can't get it on YouTube.
[01:10:28]  You can't get it on YouTube.
[01:10:28]  Okay.
[01:10:29]  Let's go ahead and go to our last commercial break.
[01:10:32]  And again, the men and women, that piece of the discussion was worth its weight in gold.
[01:10:38]  So if you haven't seen the interview of Nick Fuentes on Tucker Carlson, I think it was like the second half of the interview.
[01:10:46]  If nothing else, it's worth it from that because I think it was a great demonstration of Tucker.
[01:10:51]  Again, not trying to disparage him.
[01:10:52]  I think Tucker is the best.
[01:10:55]  He represents one of the best of his generation and yet still out of touch.
[01:11:01]  I mean, he really is the best.
[01:11:02]  He doesn't say, oh, I'm a feminist.
[01:11:03]  He says, feminism is bad, I'm patriarchal.
[01:11:06]  Yeah.
[01:11:07]  And then proceeds to say, I don't have a clue what young men are experiencing today.
[01:11:11]  You know, so, so my point is, I, Tucker, we love Tucker.
[01:11:14]  He represents the best.
[01:11:16]  And still, for you just to get a glimpse, if Tucker is wildly out of touch on this plight of young men as one of the best, then that gives you a really good idea of, of part of what young men are up against.
[01:11:28]  They're up against a situation where all of their fathers don't get it.
[01:11:35]  And then Nick, his response, He doesn't give necessarily a lot of solutions.
[01:11:39]  And so, you know, channels like ours can be helpful to provide that.
[01:11:43]  But he does give a diagnosis.
[01:11:46]  He kind of red pills Tucker a little bit and tells him what's up.
[01:11:50]  And a lot of Nick's diagnosis of the extreme difficulty that young men are facing today was prescient and right on point and worth tuning in to that episode to watch.
[01:12:03]  All right.
[01:12:04]  So let's go to our commercial break.
[01:12:05]  We'll come back and we'll deal with the super chats.
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=== Preaching Faithfully on Social Media (03:44) ===

[01:15:31]  All right.
[01:15:31]  Well, welcome back.
[01:15:32]  We're going to hit our super chats.
[01:15:33]  Jumping right in, we've got Aiden who sent $10.
[01:15:36]  Thanks so much, Aiden, for sending that.
[01:15:37]  GA, Aiden says, I've been reading Spurgeon's lectures to my students.
[01:15:42]  He had such a high view of street preaching, but I don't see it today.
[01:15:45]  Why?
[01:15:46]  Also, what would you say if pastors don't use social media?
[01:15:49]  I like that last point where he kind of preempts what is a bit of the obvious answer.
[01:15:53]  He knows what we're going to say.
[01:15:54]  Yeah.
[01:15:54]  Yep.
[01:15:55]  That the public square where people consume information isn't as much the street anymore.
[01:15:59]  You have to think in, so Spurgeon is obviously ministering in England.
[01:16:03]  The Twitter, we've called it that before.
[01:16:05]  Spurgeon's ministering in England.
[01:16:07]  So, in England, if you wanted, if you're going out to get food, you're going out to get to go to a social event, you're going out to go to church, everyone in London, they're coming out into the open.
[01:16:16]  That's where they're hearing people sell.
[01:16:18]  That's where they're hearing people shout about the news.
[01:16:20]  That's where they're seeing people offering different wares.
[01:16:23]  And so, street preaching in that context was it's a little bit of a passing by.
[01:16:27]  So, someone's passing by on their way to the market and you're calling out to them, repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[01:16:33]  People drive nowadays.
[01:16:35]  Sure, in some walkable cities downtown, Yeah, you've got a lot of people congregating, and there's great guys that go out and street preach.
[01:16:41]  We don't have anything against that.
[01:16:42]  But practically speaking, where you're going to have the most impact, where you're going to reach the most people, it is going to be on social media because you're going to reach people literally across the entire domain of people that speak your language.
[01:16:53]  I'm sure, Joel, you're not only reaching people with the things that you post in our videos, you're not even just reaching in the United States.
[01:17:00]  You're reaching people that speak English in South America, people that speak English in Europe.
[01:17:04]  And so, practically speaking, all right, a minister wants to have the most impact, he wants to get the gospel out.
[01:17:09]  Social media is the best way to do it.
[01:17:11]  In isolated contexts, you can hit hundreds of people or in its event, like an abortion mill, a place, or an event.
[01:17:18]  Street preaching is great.
[01:17:19]  Practically, the best impact is going to be social media.
[01:17:22]  Agreed.
[01:17:22]  And so, then the second part of that question also, what do you say of pastors who don't use social media?
[01:17:29]  My answer would be the same as pastors 150 years ago who didn't do street preaching.
[01:17:34]  So, my answer would be could you be a faithful pastor at the time of Spurgeon and shepherd the flock of God that's among you?
[01:17:43]  And preach on the Lord's Day and on Wednesday, twice on the Lord's Day, in the morning and the evening and on Wednesday, and go and catechize people in your church and making pastoral visits in your parish and all these kinds of things Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
[01:17:58]  Could you do all those things faithfully and never street preach and still hear from the Lord?
[01:18:04]  Well done, good and faithful servant.
[01:18:05]  I would say yes.
[01:18:06]  So, what I would say, what about pastors who don't use social media?
[01:18:09]  Social media is the equivalent of the public square.
[01:18:14]  So, I would say that there's no Clear imperative in scripture that says that a minister, in addition to preaching on the Lord's day in the church, must also preach on the street, you know, multiple times throughout the week.
[01:18:28]  I think it's a good and honorable thing to do.
[01:18:30]  And ministers used to do it, guys like Spurgeon back in the day.
[01:18:34]  And so, likewise, I'm just going to take that same principle and give its equivalency in today's culture.
[01:18:39]  I would say that pastors who, in addition, not substitution, not at the cost of shepherding the flock, but in addition to shepherding faithfully and preaching faithfully, In their local church, those who are preaching on social media through be it podcast or post on Twitter or whatever it is or YouTube, I think that's a very commendable, honorable thing to do.
[01:18:59]  But it is not an imperative, a clear, definitive, objective requirement.
[01:19:05]  So, what do I think about pastors who don't use social media?
[01:19:09]  I would say I think that they're missing an opportunity, but I would not say that it's sin.

=== Valid Critiques of Indirect Attacks (14:54) ===

[01:19:15]  Okay, next question CNRB 1689, I'll interpret here Christian Nationalist, Reformed Baptist 1689.
[01:19:22]  He sent $5.
[01:19:23]  Thanks so much.
[01:19:24]  He said, This, what is your take on John Harris, who seems to despise Nick Fuentes and encourage others to avoid him at all costs?
[01:19:35]  What do you think?
[01:19:36]  I'll give my thoughts, but some of my lately, John Harris and I have gone back and forth, and it's been cordial.
[01:19:41]  Oh, yeah, like privately or publicly?
[01:19:43]  Publicly.
[01:19:43]  We've had a couple different exchanges.
[01:19:45]  And I do think some of John's critiques, it's frustrating because they're not actually factual.
[01:19:50]  And there's something to be said for when someone's saying something.
[01:19:54]  But they're not actually sitting down seriously in a context like Tucker and Nick.
[01:19:59]  So they're saying something for Nick, it would be during this portion of the show where he's dealing with super chats.
[01:20:03]  So, you can take things that people say, and there's something, there's an argument to be made.
[01:20:07]  Hey, let your yes be yes and your no be no.
[01:20:09]  There are limits to that.
[01:20:10]  Like Tucker with Candace, when this whole thing kind of first unfolded, when he's like, well, you know, when he kind of emphatically said, right, like Nick is a Fed.
[01:20:20]  He's a federal op to go around and get, you know, stink on our best guys like Joe Kent.
[01:20:28]  Like we would say, you don't really know what you're talking about, actually.
[01:20:34]  Whereas a few weeks later, having Nick on the show and saying, This is why I thought that.
[01:20:39]  And I still actually have a problem with some of your strategy in the way that it makes the good guys look bad.
[01:20:46]  That's perfectly reasonable.
[01:20:47]  So I have a problem.
[01:20:49]  I disagree.
[01:20:50]  Here's my reasoning.
[01:20:53]  That's perfectly permissible.
[01:20:54]  Yeah.
[01:20:55]  So I would say Tucker 2.0, the interview that just happened, great.
[01:20:59]  Tucker 1.0, he's a Fed when it's like he's objectively not a Fed.
[01:21:06]  Based on bad information.
[01:21:07]  He comes from nothing.
[01:21:09]  His dad was like a male man, or something.
[01:21:11]  You know what I mean?
[01:21:13]  And Nick had a really good response to that and saying, not necessarily objectively that Tucker is a fed, but just saying Nick did a great job of articulating his argument, saying, look, if we want to start calling people feds, who has the pedigree?
[01:21:26]  Who has the origin story that's more conducive with the possibility of being a fed?
[01:21:31]  Me or Tucker, whose dad was involved in the CIA?
[01:21:35]  You know what I mean?
[01:21:36]  Nick, I think, responded actually really well.
[01:21:38]  And I think Tucker probably saw that, which led to him having Nick on the show.
[01:21:43]  And then in Tucker's second attempt to voice his concerns, it was much better.
[01:21:48]  And it does seem like some of the ways that John Harris is articulating his concerns are more likened to Tucker 1.0 than Tucker 2.0.
[01:21:57]  Right.
[01:21:57]  And this isn't just a single instance of, oh, I didn't know that he said that.
[01:22:00]  But it seems like the bulk of his arguments against Nick and then broader some of the Christian right, they're based on kind of.
[01:22:06]  Some of it being propaganda, if you're going back to World War II, or just pieces of information that aren't fully there, there are very valid critiques from the right.
[01:22:14]  It's not using leftist frame.
[01:22:15]  There are valid critiques to be had from the right.
[01:22:17]  But when you're using, well, this was said, well, if we look at it, that's not actually true.
[01:22:22]  Well, he said he tells young men not to be married.
[01:22:25]  Well, here he is sitting down with Timothy Gordon saying, I encourage young men to be married.
[01:22:29]  They should also not just view marriage as the be all end alls.
[01:22:31]  If that's going to make them a man, they should be well rounded and mature.
[01:22:34]  Well, here he is saying this.
[01:22:36]  Well, here he is saying, not saying this again.
[01:22:38]  Those are not actually valid critiques.
[01:22:40]  And I want John to be persuasive.
[01:22:42]  That's not actually going to persuade people.
[01:22:44]  Half truths, misinformation, misused propaganda.
[01:22:47]  You're not going to convince people.
[01:22:48]  You're actually going to have the opposite effect you're intending to have.
[01:22:51]  And I think for you and I, it's especially not compelling because I've talked to Nick specifically about hey, are you encouraging men not to get married?
[01:23:03]  So it's not just like, oh, I did the deep dive and I found this one context where he actually did encourage that or I saw his interview with Timothy Gordon or like, no, I've talked to the guy.
[01:23:12]  I've had several conversations, and you know, I've been able to hear exactly what he thinks and what he believes and what he has actually said.
[01:23:23]  And so, it's just if you're going to critique someone, it needs to be true.
[01:23:27]  It needs to be true.
[01:23:28]  And if it's not, you lose some measure of credibility.
[01:23:33]  So, we like John Harris.
[01:23:35]  I love John Harris.
[01:23:36]  I appreciate John Harris.
[01:23:38]  John Harris has been right, not just on a lot of things, but he was right early.
[01:23:45]  He was.
[01:23:45]  He was right before a lot of other guys were willing to come out and say it.
[01:23:50]  So I think that he's worthy of respect, worthy of honor.
[01:23:54]  He's a dear brother in Christ.
[01:23:56]  But I think part of the way that he's pushing against someone like Nick, and he's pushed, you know, sadly, I'm not, it kind of makes me sad.
[01:24:04]  I'm not happy about it.
[01:24:05]  But over the last few months, he's pushed against me publicly in kind of indirect ways and bums me out.
[01:24:13]  And obviously, I disagree with that.
[01:24:16]  But I'm not willing to just take that and then say, and therefore, you know, John is just an op or John has never done anything good.
[01:24:26]  That's just not true.
[01:24:27]  And, Other people may be willing to throw friendship away quickly.
[01:24:32]  I'm not.
[01:24:33]  So let the record state I love John.
[01:24:35]  I think some of his attacks against Nick Fuentes are unfair.
[01:24:38]  I think some of his more indirect, subtle attacks against me are not fair.
[01:24:43]  But John was courageous.
[01:24:44]  John was right.
[01:24:45]  He was right about a lot and he was right early.
[01:24:48]  And I'd like to go in on public record.
[01:24:51]  As far as I'm concerned, Olive Branch held out and we'll see what the Lord does.
[01:24:57]  Okay.
[01:24:58]  Good answer.
[01:24:59]  McGlone Code.
[01:25:00]  Five dollars.
[01:25:00]  Thanks, McGlone.
[01:25:02]  The progressives and slow progressives, liberals and conservatives, both think that you're too dumb to think for yourself.
[01:25:08]  That is woke.
[01:25:09]  It's true.
[01:25:10]  Very much so.
[01:25:12]  We'll take this.
[01:25:13]  You can't think for yourself.
[01:25:14]  Nope.
[01:25:14]  Life was better, you know, when we was better, it's better now with gay marriage and without gay marriage.
[01:25:19]  We've got this.
[01:25:21]  Yeah.
[01:25:21]  They think you're dumb.
[01:25:22]  Yep.
[01:25:23]  Well said.
[01:25:23]  Dapper Dan, he gave us five dollars and said, How do we get Walsh and Knowles to leave the Israeli wire?
[01:25:31]  Is there any way that we can flood their system?
[01:25:34]  With discontents?
[01:25:36]  Well, I think a lot of people have been, honestly.
[01:25:38]  I mean, I don't know if you can find a single tweet from Matt Walsh in the last three months that doesn't have at least one or two comments below it saying, You work for Ben Shapiro.
[01:25:52]  What the 200 to be clear?
[01:25:54]  Seriously, leave the Daily Wire.
[01:25:55]  So I think that they are painfully aware.
[01:25:58]  And with this, don't misunderstand me.
[01:26:01]  I'm not saying they got the message.
[01:26:04]  No, what I'm saying is they got the message.
[01:26:07]  They still need the message.
[01:26:08]  Patriots, don't let up.
[01:26:11]  Keep doing it.
[01:26:12]  But I'm going to go, I'm just going to say it.
[01:26:15]  Same as Tucker with Fox.
[01:26:17]  I can't speak for Knowles, but Walsh with The Daily Wire.
[01:26:23]  It doesn't take a lot of courage to just say something will happen.
[01:26:25]  So I'm going to put a time on it.
[01:26:27]  I'm just going to go there.
[01:26:28]  I'll have egg on my face.
[01:26:29]  That's fine.
[01:26:30]  I'll just own it if I'm wrong.
[01:26:32]  I think within one year, personally, I think sooner, but within one year, I think we see Walsh leave The Daily Wire.
[01:26:41]  And if he leaves, he could collab.
[01:26:43]  Maybe he goes on the Tucker Carlson network or something like that.
[01:26:46]  But I think he probably would be best served just doing what Tucker did and setting out on his own.
[01:26:51]  And here's the deal Daily Wire, huge hit.
[01:26:54]  Matt Walsh, nothing but upside.
[01:26:58]  He will not lose anything.
[01:27:00]  And here's the deal the guy's sharp.
[01:27:01]  He knows that.
[01:27:02]  So I think it's inevitable.
[01:27:03]  It's really a matter of when, not if.
[01:27:06]  So, in the spirit of being a little bit more courageous, right?
[01:27:09]  Because to say Matt Walsh will one day in the next 50 years leave the Daily Wire, like that's.
[01:27:14]  That doesn't require any insight at all.
[01:27:16]  So, at the risk of being wrong, I'm putting my neck out there a little bit.
[01:27:19]  And if I'm wrong, I'll own it.
[01:27:21]  But I'm going to go ahead and be a little bit more specific just for kicks and giggles.
[01:27:24]  I think it's fun to try to make predictions from time to time.
[01:27:27]  I'm going to say within the next year, Matt Walsh will leave the Daily Wire.
[01:27:32]  Okay, another one from Dapper Dan.
[01:27:33]  Five more dollars.
[01:27:34]  Thank you, Dapper Dan.
[01:27:34]  He said, conservative women are happy to submit to their rich husbands and raise Christian children in a mansion.
[01:27:42]  That's true.
[01:27:43]  Wes, any thoughts about that?
[01:27:44]  I was going to say there is a lot of truth to that.
[01:27:46]  Yeah.
[01:27:47]  A lot of with submission.
[01:27:48]  Like, sure, there is feminism, but women have to actually trust that the man who has all of the responsibility wives submit to your husbands in everything.
[01:27:56]  So, what does everything mean?
[01:27:58]  Everything.
[01:27:59]  He's in charge of everything.
[01:28:01]  That is intimidating.
[01:28:02]  And if a woman looks at a man, it's like, well, he's actually not really good at work.
[01:28:06]  And I'm not just talking like layoffs hit.
[01:28:08]  Like, that happens.
[01:28:09]  Men get laid off.
[01:28:10]  That's nothing of their fault.
[01:28:11]  Women should not lose faith in that.
[01:28:12]  But I'm looking at him as he fails in job after job.
[01:28:15]  I'm looking at him as he's incompetent in these areas.
[01:28:18]  I watch.
[01:28:19]  Other men, and they clearly don't think highly of his ability, don't think highly of his virtue.
[01:28:25]  It is going to be very hard for a woman to submit to a man like that.
[01:28:29]  But a man that is providing well, he is making money.
[01:28:34]  Making money is a proxy for providing value.
[01:28:37]  He is providing a lot of value to a lot of people and being rewarded for it.
[01:28:41]  He's competent.
[01:28:42]  He's giving her children.
[01:28:43]  She's sheltered in a home that's big and luxurious.
[01:28:47]  To be honest, yeah, that's probably on average.
[01:28:51]  Easier to submit to.
[01:28:51]  It's just, it's undebatable.
[01:28:55]  It's obviously true.
[01:28:57]  That said, just to clarify for Wes, because I know you believe this, neither Wes nor I are saying that all the commandments in scripture for a wife to submit to her husband are conditional upon him being rich.
[01:29:09]  Exactly.
[01:29:10]  So she should do it regardless, right?
[01:29:12]  It's unconditional love from the husband and unconditional submission from the wife.
[01:29:18]  That's why 1 Peter, right?
[01:29:19]  You got Joel Webbin busting out the King Jimmy in the middle of an episode here.
[01:29:23]  So you know it's going to be good.
[01:29:25]  But that's why Peter talks about even in the case of a Christian woman being married to an unbelieving husband, she should still win him over by arguing with him and showing him that he's a lib.
[01:29:37]  No?
[01:29:37]  Yes.
[01:29:38]  Win him over by doing what?
[01:29:40]  What the most powerful, compelling, persuasive thing a woman can do?
[01:29:45]  Keeping her mouth closed.
[01:29:47]  I don't like what you just said, Joel.
[01:29:49]  Well, then you don't like the word of God.
[01:29:52]  She should win him over without a word.
[01:29:55]  Let her godliness and her character.
[01:29:58]  Through her actions and service and submission, testify to the goodness of Christ.
[01:30:03]  Let that be her argument rather than being a nagging woman, which the Bible also speaks of.
[01:30:09]  Better for a man to live on the corner of a rooftop than to live with a nagging woman.
[01:30:16]  So it is with the sound of a dripping faucet, is a nagging woman.
[01:30:22]  Okay, so the Bible speaks to these things, but there's one thing you said that I think pastorally is just worth emphasizing just a bit.
[01:30:31]  You talked about.
[01:30:32]  How it really is intimidating, this idea of submission in everything, right?
[01:30:38]  Wives, submit to your husbands in everything.
[01:30:41]  I mean, that's scary, right?
[01:30:42]  Because you're not talking about submit to God in everything.
[01:30:44]  That's already hard, but it shouldn't be scary.
[01:30:47]  You know why submission to God is hard?
[01:30:50]  Because of sin.
[01:30:50]  Do you know why it's not scary, or at least shouldn't be scary?
[01:30:54]  Well, because of the absence of sin in the case of God, right?
[01:30:58]  Because God isn't sinful.
[01:30:59]  He doesn't exploit, He doesn't abuse, right?
[01:31:02]  He'll never lead you astray.
[01:31:03]  He loves you, protects you, provides for you.
[01:31:06]  All his promises in Christ Jesus are yes and amen.
[01:31:09]  He keeps steadfast covenant.
[01:31:10]  He's the same today and yesterday and tomorrow.
[01:31:14]  So, submission to God is hard because of our sin nature, but it's not scary because he's good.
[01:31:23]  Submission in everything to your human husband is not just hard, it's also scary because your husband is not God and he's a sinner, saved by grace if he's a Christian, but still a sinner nonetheless.
[01:31:37]  So, in this, I think of 1 Peter chapter 3, says, Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands, that if any obey not the word, they also may, without the word, be won by the conversation of God.
[01:31:57]  Of their wives, while they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear, whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, braided hair, and of wearing of gold or of putting on of apparel, but let it be the hidden man, the hidden person of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, it doesn't perish.
[01:32:26]  Even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit.
[01:32:30]  Gentle and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
[01:32:35]  For after this manner, in the old time, the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands, even as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord.
[01:32:51]  Sarah calling her husband Lord, whose daughters ye are.
[01:32:56]  Look at this.
[01:32:57]  As long as ye do well, so you act holy, and are not afraid.
[01:33:04]  With any amazement.
[01:33:07]  Other translations say, and do not fear anything that is frightening.
[01:33:13]  That last part, why is that included?
[01:33:16]  Think about that for just a moment.
[01:33:17]  So, that's everything that I've already articulated.
[01:33:19]  A woman should have not perishable beauty that's fleeting, outward beauty, but rather internal, imperishable beauty, beauty of the heart, her character, that she's godly.
[01:33:28]  She should submit to her husband, even to the extent of being willing to refer to him with honorable, respectable titles like Lord, lowercase l.
[01:33:37]  Lord, sir, is the equivalency.
[01:33:40]  And be willing to win him over, not with a word, but with the humble word, through her actions, the conversation of good works.
[01:33:50]  So, all those things we've already said, but that last piece, she is truly a spiritual daughter of Sarah, who was a woman of old, who was righteous and holy and honorable, commendable.
[01:34:03]  You are truly her spiritual daughters, chips off the old block, if you follow her example, which is what?

=== Courageous Love and Submission (02:11) ===

[01:34:09]  Submission to your husbands.
[01:34:11]  Living a holy life.
[01:34:13]  And this last part honestly feels like it doesn't fit, but it does.
[01:34:18]  The last part is submission, holiness, and courage, not fearing something that would be understandably frightening.
[01:34:30]  Well, what does that have to do with the whole passage?
[01:34:33]  The whole passage is about submission to male headship.
[01:34:37]  So, why this last piece in regards to women?
[01:34:41]  About courage and not being afraid, because submission to your sinful fallen husband is fearful.
[01:34:51]  It's scary.
[01:34:52]  So, even that, the good news is that God thought about that.
[01:34:56]  That's not a surprise.
[01:34:57]  It's not something that, oh, I didn't calculate for that, right?
[01:35:01]  Oh, I didn't plan for that.
[01:35:02]  No, God knew that calling women, wives specifically, to submit to fallen men, their husbands specifically, would be an intimidating.
[01:35:15]  It would be a tall task.
[01:35:17]  And so God encourages them not just to be holy, not just to be humble, gentle, quiet spirit, and submissive, but also to be courageous.
[01:35:27]  Why?
[01:35:28]  Because if they're courageous, their husband's submission to their husband won't be fearful and he'll never mess up.
[01:35:34]  No.
[01:35:35]  Because if they're courageous, even when submitting to their husband hurts because he is falling, because he does mess up, that even that the Lord would be faithful to reward.
[01:35:45]  So we understand that female submission.
[01:35:49]  To male headship is hard and not only hard, but sometimes frightening.
[01:35:54]  But more than us understanding it, what's most important is that God understands it and he commands it regardless.
[01:36:01]  So do it.
[01:36:03]  I was going to say, as a corollary, it's easier to submit to a rich man, aka a man that is competent, has character, produces a lot of value.
[01:36:12]  Men also, men are to love their wives.
[01:36:14]  Even if she is the nagging woman from Proverbs, the command is not relaxed.
[01:36:17]  So men have to love their wives, whether she is nagging or not.

=== Salvation by Merits Ends Hope (16:24) ===

[01:36:21]  That's right.
[01:36:21]  Now, here's the deal.
[01:36:22]  It is a lot easier to love your wife if she does not nag.
[01:36:25]  So use that corollary to say, oh, that makes a lot of sense.
[01:36:27]  The man's doing what he's supposed to do.
[01:36:29]  He's providing, he's working hard, he's protecting the family, he's putting a roof over the head.
[01:36:34]  It does objectively, in the human sense, make it easier.
[01:36:37]  A wife is not nagging.
[01:36:38]  She's quiet, she's peaceable, the home is warm.
[01:36:41]  That makes it easier to love her.
[01:36:42]  I would say those are kind of the corollaries there for men and women.
[01:36:45]  Well said.
[01:36:47]  Okay, next.
[01:36:48]  All right.
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[01:36:53]  Assimilation means sovereign nations selectively inviting highly skilled individuals to strengthen areas of weakness, not allowing unvetted mass migration that displaces the host population.
[01:37:04]  Agree?
[01:37:04]  Agree.
[01:37:05]  Agree.
[01:37:06]  Yes and amen.
[01:37:06]  Yes and amen.
[01:37:07]  H1B visa, people forget skilled labor.
[01:37:10]  Right.
[01:37:10]  It is not your raising canes attendant.
[01:37:13]  It is not janitor work.
[01:37:15]  It is people with skills that should not be able to be filled by Americans.
[01:37:20]  Right.
[01:37:20]  Translators, bilingual.
[01:37:22]  Correct.
[01:37:22]  Specialty coding.
[01:37:24]  Not millions and millions of people.
[01:37:26]  Taking jobs for $70,000 a year.
[01:37:28]  Right.
[01:37:28]  Yeah.
[01:37:28]  The point of H1B is not to get cheap labor that Americans could do but can't afford to do for that price.
[01:37:36]  The point of H1B is to get very selective few to fulfill jobs that Americans can't actually do.
[01:37:46]  Instead, we're using it to displace Americans simply to get cheap labor so that GDP goes up, so that corporations succeed, but America and Americans fail.
[01:37:59]  It's absolutely wicked.
[01:38:00]  It's wrong.
[01:38:01]  Okay.
[01:38:01]  Titus Weller now gave us $20.
[01:38:03]  Thank you, Titus.
[01:38:04]  It's very generous.
[01:38:05]  He said the message was spot on about the plight of young men.
[01:38:10]  I'm not one bit, I'm not one, but my sons and grandsons get it.
[01:38:16]  God bless him.
[01:38:17]  He's an older man, grandsons, and he gets it.
[01:38:20]  God bless you, Titus.
[01:38:21]  That means a lot to hear from you.
[01:38:22]  So he's saying, I'm not a young man, but my sons and grandsons get it.
[01:38:27]  I'll spot you $20 so you can pay for your internet bill.
[01:38:31]  With next stream.
[01:38:33]  I thought he was going to say next month, and I was going to say, You truly are an older man.
[01:38:37]  You have no idea what internet costs these days.
[01:38:40]  But $20 for one stream is probably about the price.
[01:38:43]  To Amazon, so their servers can actually work.
[01:38:45]  They went offline on Diwali.
[01:38:46]  Yeah.
[01:38:47]  Okay.
[01:38:47]  This feels like an aftershock.
[01:38:48]  If you encourage our patrons to give their money to Amazon instead of us, you're fired.
[01:38:54]  Here's the deal, though.
[01:38:55]  We have got to be on air.
[01:38:57]  I'm enabling Amazon, so we have a show that people can watch.
[01:39:00]  All right.
[01:39:00]  You take the next one.
[01:39:01]  All right, no nuance, $10.
[01:39:02]  In 2025, the year the Christian right gatekeepers have been fixated on the dissident right, will this continue through the rest of Trump's presidency?
[01:39:10]  And why are they wasting their efforts in this way?
[01:39:13]  I think they are wasting their efforts.
[01:39:14]  I do think it ends.
[01:39:17]  That's why we said Tucker Carlson having Nick on signaled the end of gatekeeping as well.
[01:39:22]  Yeah, I don't think that was the end because there was a huge backlash.
[01:39:24]  People have not, they're not getting with the program.
[01:39:27]  Okay.
[01:39:27]  But I think it signals the end.
[01:39:29]  I agree with that statement.
[01:39:30]  I don't think it is the end, but I think it signals the end.
[01:39:32]  If I had to guess, I like predictions.
[01:39:34]  I've already done one, I'll do another.
[01:39:36]  I think it continues through Trump's term and in many ways kind of has the death throes.
[01:39:42]  So even heats up, seemingly heats up, but it's really the death throes in the 2028.
[01:39:49]  Campaign and election.
[01:39:51]  But I think we really will see, like, oh, wow, that's a bygone era and it's truly dead and buried sometime after 2028, 2029, 2030, something like that.
[01:40:02]  That's fair.
[01:40:02]  But I think it's dying.
[01:40:04]  So I would say it's dying.
[01:40:07]  Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes kind of marks it's dying.
[01:40:11]  And I think 2029, 2030, we'll be able to say it's dead.
[01:40:15]  That's my prediction.
[01:40:17]  Yep.
[01:40:17]  I think it'll be a little bit earlier than that.
[01:40:19]  I hope you are.
[01:40:19]  I think it's basically useless at this point.
[01:40:22]  It is useless because they lost.
[01:40:23]  But there are so many useless people who love useless tactics.
[01:40:28]  So I don't know.
[01:40:30]  We'll see.
[01:40:30]  All right.
[01:40:31]  The whole syringe sent $4.99.
[01:40:34]  Thank you, sir.
[01:40:35]  Thank you, ma'am.
[01:40:36]  You are spot on regarding men being divorced by their wives in the church.
[01:40:39]  Would love to see you have David Eddington on to discuss it.
[01:40:42]  Sure.
[01:40:43]  We need to have him on.
[01:40:44]  Yeah, we've talked back and forth.
[01:40:46]  And he, honestly, he just, because the church is so anemic in this area, he's having.
[01:40:53]  His day job, the main thing that he does outside of writing and those kinds of things is counseling with married couples, counseling them through difficulty, conflict, trying to save their marriage if they're going through a brutal divorce.
[01:41:08]  And so, most of the time, he's pretty much just booked constantly every day of the week with counseling sessions, Zoom counseling meetings.
[01:41:17]  And so, his schedule is actually public facing.
[01:41:21]  It's not like he's like, Super well known or big, or something like that.
[01:41:24]  It's not like he's so big we can't get him.
[01:41:27]  I'm probably publicly more recognizable than he is, but just practically in an hour by hour daily schedule, he's literally just completely booked doing everything he can to save one marriage at a time.
[01:41:42]  God bless him.
[01:41:42]  So we'll get him eventually.
[01:41:44]  He wants to come on the show.
[01:41:45]  We'll just have to work out the details.
[01:41:47]  All right.
[01:41:48]  This dude rocks.
[01:41:49]  I was missing him earlier on.
[01:41:50]  I was like, where is he?
[01:41:51]  Yeah, where is he?
[01:41:52]  He came in clutch at the end, $5.
[01:41:54]  Thank you, sir.
[01:41:55]  He said, late to the stream today and YouTube seems broken.
[01:41:57]  Yes, it does.
[01:41:57]  You can blame Amazon, but God bless.
[01:42:00]  Joel Forfun, can you steel man Council of Trent?
[01:42:04]  I have an answer, but he asked you.
[01:42:06]  Steel man.
[01:42:06]  I don't know.
[01:42:09]  I mean, my steel man for it, I won't say specifically Council of Trent, but just Catholicism at the time that the Council of Trent convened.
[01:42:18]  The steel man would be kind of like some of the things that were said in Luther's hearing.
[01:42:23]  You know, like if you do this, if you translate the Latin Vulgate into the vulgar. Tongue, right?
[01:42:28]  The common tongue, the German, and these kinds of things, you're going to open up a floodgate of iniquities, right?
[01:42:33]  You're going to basically, in your fight against the papacy, you're going to make every single man his own pope.
[01:42:39]  So, the way that I would steel man it is saying those were some of the concerns, and those concerns were right.
[01:42:44]  They were right.
[01:42:46]  Protestantism, it's like, well, Protestants are great because it's sola scriptura.
[01:42:51]  I adhere to sola scriptura.
[01:42:53]  And just for the record, we said this just on our last stream, but sola scriptura does not mean that scripture is the only authority.
[01:42:59]  It simply means that it's the highest authority and it's the only infallible authority.
[01:43:04]  But the problem is not so much sola scriptura.
[01:43:06]  The problem that I think many Catholics, if I'm steel manning them and how they view Sola Scriptura, is not so much the Scripture, but rather the individual elevating him.
[01:43:18]  So it's not so much elevating the authority of Scripture or inerrancy of Scripture.
[01:43:22]  Their concern with the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not that it elevates the Scripture, but that it elevates each individual man to the height of being the infallible and only.
[01:43:38]  Arbiter or interpreter of scripture.
[01:43:41]  That would be, I think, one of their big concerns.
[01:43:44]  So if I was steel manning Trent, if I was steel manning Catholicism at that time, you know, 15th, 16th century at the time of the Reformation, I think that was one of their biggest concerns was you, in your quest to defy the pope, you are going to create millions of popes.
[01:44:07]  And yes, scripture is sufficient.
[01:44:09]  And yes, scripture is the word of God.
[01:44:10]  And yes, it's inerrant.
[01:44:12]  Our problem is not with you elevating scripture.
[01:44:16]  Our problem is with you elevating the individual as the final interpreter of scripture to where there is no human authority now, no ecclesiastical, human, spiritual authority outside of the individual himself that can ever say anything compelling.
[01:44:35]  And I would say they nailed it.
[01:44:39]  That's what happened.
[01:44:40]  Yeah.
[01:44:41]  That's where we are.
[01:44:42]  I still adhere to Sola Scriptura.
[01:44:44]  I'm still a Protestant, and I think the Reformation was absolutely necessary.
[01:44:48]  And I will be celebrating both Halloween and the Reformation on October 31st, and everybody who doesn't like it can cope and seethe.
[01:44:55]  But that said, I do think there were some legitimate concerns, and I was asked to steal man.
[01:45:00]  So hear me.
[01:45:01]  That was my steal man.
[01:45:03]  Okay.
[01:45:04]  You want me to steal man Luther?
[01:45:05]  I can do that.
[01:45:06]  Okay.
[01:45:07]  But to steal man Catholicism at the time of Luther, that's me being as charitable as I can.
[01:45:12]  Do I think that that's a bit truncated?
[01:45:15]  And that there was a little bit more going on besides just that.
[01:45:18]  Like the fact that they were going around absolutely exploiting the poorest of the poor, saying, Give us your money and your loved ones in purgatory can get out.
[01:45:26]  Yeah.
[01:45:27]  Uh huh.
[01:45:27]  I think that too.
[01:45:28]  And I think about, you know, a hundred other things.
[01:45:31]  But if you want me to steal, man, that was my best attempt.
[01:45:34]  Wes, what do you think?
[01:45:34]  Yeah.
[01:45:35]  About a year ago, I went through the Council of Trent, it is huge.
[01:45:37]  This is not just a single document.
[01:45:39]  It's funny.
[01:45:39]  They reformed the Westminster Confession.
[01:45:41]  You could read it, you could sit down, you could read the whole thing.
[01:45:43]  Catholic documents and Catholic dogma is so long.
[01:45:47]  Yeah.
[01:45:47]  So the Council of Trent was years long.
[01:45:48]  It was just a deal.
[01:45:49]  It just keeps going.
[01:45:50]  It's, you know, it was years long.
[01:45:52]  It dealt with a number of other topics besides justification.
[01:45:55]  But let me read this quote actually from the Council of Trent.
[01:45:57]  It says, For though no one can be just except he to whom the merits of the passion of our Lord Jesus Christ are communicated, yet this takes place in that justification of the sinner.
[01:46:07]  And by the merits of the most holy passion, the charity of God is poured forth by the Holy Ghost in the hearts of those who are justified and in here's in them the man through Christ Jesus in whom he is engrafted, receives in that justification together with the remission of sins all those infused at the same times, namely faith.
[01:46:24]  Hope and charity.
[01:46:25]  And so a little long and a little convoluted, but there's a straw man of Catholicism.
[01:46:28]  I've asked Catholics this, many of them, where they seem to think, or Protestants think Catholic thinks they're saved by works.
[01:46:35]  But if you look at Trent, the concern there is not, no, no, no, no.
[01:46:39]  We are not saved by Jesus.
[01:46:40]  We don't need his merits.
[01:46:41]  We don't need his sacrifice for us.
[01:46:43]  We can do it ourselves.
[01:46:44]  We do our good works.
[01:46:45]  We do the sacraments of the Mass.
[01:46:47]  We do our sacraments of confession, the sacraments of penance.
[01:46:50]  We do those things.
[01:46:51]  We're justified before God.
[01:46:53]  If you read Trent and you read the documents, they're not interested in making an argument.
[01:46:56]  That man merits salvation by his own merits.
[01:46:59]  What they're interested in to steal man is to say, we don't want to surrender salvation to intellectual assent.
[01:47:06]  The early church, the fathers, they had a huge, high view of the church.
[01:47:11]  And so for Luther to come in and say, and here's how man is justified, it relates to God by faith only, privately.
[01:47:17]  The church is there saying, hold on a second, that you could have someone that could intellectually agree, intellectually assent, and live terribly and have no fruit of it whatsoever.
[01:47:27]  And we can't allow that to happen.
[01:47:29]  And so we're going to rebuff you.
[01:47:30]  And say, nope, you've got to stick with the church in here.
[01:47:33]  You need Christ.
[01:47:33]  You need his merits.
[01:47:34]  You need his grace.
[01:47:35]  You need his passion.
[01:47:36]  And those are through the sacraments that we offer.
[01:47:39]  So that's what I think they were trying to protect against.
[01:47:42]  Now, Protestantism does understand faith is component with works.
[01:47:46]  You don't get one without the other.
[01:47:47]  So good Protestantism guards against that.
[01:47:50]  But for Catholics, especially at the time of the pandemic, a good Protestant does not give in to cheap grace.
[01:47:55]  Nope.
[01:47:55]  A good Protestant does not give in to just fire insurance.
[01:47:59]  A good Protestant, historic, traditional Protestant, Understands, I think, all the concerns that Trent held at the time.
[01:48:07]  You're right.
[01:48:07]  Works are absolutely necessary to merit salvation?
[01:48:11]  No.
[01:48:11]  But to evidence faith, genuine saving faith, it is the empty hand that lays hold of grace that gives salvation.
[01:48:20]  So I think that a true traditional Protestant gets that.
[01:48:23]  But, you know, the Catholic Church was concerned that many would not get that and that grace would be abused and that we would have a cheap grace.
[01:48:33]  And again, That happened.
[01:48:36]  Yeah.
[01:48:37]  They're right.
[01:48:38]  So, in the, you know, I think they're wrong in the sense that I really do believe that the Bible teaches in forensic righteousness.
[01:48:48]  So, them saying, no, you need Christ and you need good works and you need the church, I would say true.
[01:48:57]  Then, when they continue and say, and this grace is infused, not imputed, but infused through sacraments and through these, like, I said, you lost me.
[01:49:07]  So, right.
[01:49:08]  Okay.
[01:49:09]  JD Peabody, he gave us $5.
[01:49:11]  No comment, just wanted to bless us.
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[01:49:14]  And then this dude rocks with a follow up one final super chat from him $10.
[01:49:18]  He said, One of our biggest Protestant L's is the large culling of historical Christian holidays.
[01:49:25]  What are some of your suggestions for new holidays?
[01:49:29]  Or are there any old ones that you would do, like St. John's Day?
[01:49:35]  I'm not convinced that we need any new ones.
[01:49:37]  And if so, I think it would be exceedingly rare.
[01:49:39]  Right, if you're adding new holidays every year, I think that that's a bit ridiculous and unsustainable.
[01:49:46]  If there's a mass consensus among God fearing Christians to add a holiday once a century or something like that, and it stands the test of time, that's a different story.
[01:49:53]  But for the most part, in terms of moving forward, adding new holidays, I would be less inclined to do that.
[01:49:58]  But redeeming and recovering old holidays that we lost in our kind of overall Protestant despising of tradition.
[01:50:10]  Yeah, I would love to see a lot of that corrected.
[01:50:12]  I would love to see Protestants go back and say, you know what, this actually really was good.
[01:50:17]  And maybe there were some wrong ways of observing this particular holiday, but the holiday in and of itself and what it stands for, there's actually a lot of good in that.
[01:50:27]  And I kind of already referenced it, but I'll use it as an example again All Hallows Eve, All Saints' Day.
[01:50:35]  I think there's actually a lot of good there.
[01:50:38]  There are certain ways in which it was practiced by pagans before All Hallows Eve.
[01:50:43]  How do you pronounce it?
[01:50:44]  It's like S A N H E I M San Him or San Hine.
[01:50:49]  Not sure.
[01:50:50]  It's the pagan holiday of like basically leaving out treats for when the veil, you know, the wall between the spirit realm and our realm is waning and becomes thinnest, you know.
[01:51:02]  And so there will be, you know, spirits, both good and bad, and the bad spirits might, you know, play a trick on you.
[01:51:08]  So you leave out treats, you know, so that they don't play a trick.
[01:51:11]  You know, that's the pagan version, you know.
[01:51:14]  But the old Christian version within Catholicism, All Saints Day, I think that that's absolutely redeemable and something we can recover.
[01:51:25]  Particular ways of observing it by Catholics traditionally in the past, I think you can just say, yeah, we're not going to observe it that way.
[01:51:34]  But the holiday, in and of itself, is not inherently bad.
[01:51:37]  In fact, in many ways, there's a lot of inherent good and it's something worth recovering.
[01:51:41]  So if we're talking about venerating dead saints to the degree of praying to them or asking for them to pray for us and venerating, you know, the classic.
[01:51:55]  Thin razor thin line between venerating and what really, for all intents and purposes, appears to be worship, then yeah, I don't want to, you know, observe All Hallows Eve in that sense.
[01:52:06]  I think that that either indulges in idolatry or gets way too close.
[01:52:11]  But if we want to just say All Hallows Eve, where we remember saints like Saint Patrick's Day, we remember and honor and celebrate in various ways, I just don't see anything wrong with that.
[01:52:24]  And for us to recover more Christian holidays, With taking the Romans approach that Paul says, each man considers one day, but not judging someone and allowing that to be an area of freedom of conscience.
[01:52:39]  Some people will view this day as special, as a holy day, and others won't.

=== Holy Days Beyond the Lord's Day (01:09) ===

[01:52:45]  So long as we all agree that the Lord's day is holy and set aside, then all these extra days, be it Christmas or Easter or All Hallows Eve, I think that those should be.
[01:52:57]  On the table for Protestants.
[01:52:58]  And I would encourage many Protestants to embrace it, although I would not say that if they choose not to embrace it, I wouldn't call that sin.
[01:53:05]  So that's my opinion.
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