NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Should Erika Kirk Forgive Her Husband’s Killer?
Aired: 2025-09-22
Duration: 01:38:53


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[00:00:21]  We need this content for the glory of God to reach more people's ears.
[00:00:32]  Many of you saw the memorial for Charlie Kirk this past Sunday, just yesterday.
[00:00:38]  There were many different speakers who were represented at this memorial, and some of them, by God's grace, preached the gospel faithfully.
[00:00:47]  Tucker Carlson was one of them.
[00:00:48]  He mentioned the word repentance more than all the other speakers, arguably combined, and certainly more than a big Eva pastor would typically do in his sermon.
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[00:01:02]  There were many others who were represented at this memorial who also preached a hot gospel.
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[00:01:20]  Our prayer is that perhaps even hundreds of thousands or even millions were truly born again by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
[00:01:28]  So we're grateful for the things that took place, but there is Kind of a buzzing question in the aftermath of yesterday's memorial service for Charlie Kirk.
[00:01:37]  And that question is Does Christianity actually possess the fortitude, a theological mechanism for sustaining the West as it faces many enemies, both domestic and abroad?
[00:01:55]  Does this bring us back to a place of suicidal empathy?
[00:01:59]  Is Christianity perhaps even to blame?
[00:02:03]  Not the West falling because it apostatized from Christ, but the West actually falling and being on the decline as we currently are because of its Christianity.
[00:02:13]  Is there something innate to the Christian faith that makes the civilizations which it builds also at the same time susceptible to vulnerability and weakness to be taken over by others?
[00:02:26]  What do we do with Christ's command to turn the other cheek when we're struck on the first cheek?
[00:02:33]  What do we do with The idea that we should go the second mile.
[00:02:37]  Now, what do we do with all the principles of forgiveness that someone could wrong us?
[00:02:43]  And not only once or twice, but as Jesus even says to the disciples when they question him, they say, Rabbi, if my brother sins against me seven times, should I still forgive him?
[00:02:55]  And Jesus answers by saying, I tell you, not seven times, but 70 times seven.
[00:03:02]  Does this make the West Just a sitting duck to be taken constantly advantage of by everyone else, by foreigners, by immigration, by Muslims, by Jews, by just bad actors and degenerates within even our own society.
[00:03:22]  What do we do with this Christian rhetoric?
[00:03:24]  We know that it's biblical.
[00:03:25]  We know that it is true to the Christian faith, that the Christian faith is a faith of grace, it is a faith of mercy, it is a faith where we are commanded by our Lord and Savior to forgive those who wrong us.
[00:03:40]  So, how do we obey Christ in this regard, but at the same time, not simply fall on our sword as a society and squander all the many blessings that God has given us?
[00:03:52]  How do we ensure that our children are protected and have a future and that the West continues to succeed rather than fail and yet at the same time exercise mercy and grace?
[00:04:04]  We're particularly going to be honing in on Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, who spoke very eloquently and said many wonderful things for which we are grateful.
[00:04:16]  She also, during her speech at the memorial service, said one very Poignant thing that stuck with most people that many are talking about today.
[00:04:27]  There's a point in her speech where she says, I forgive him.
[00:04:32]  I forgive him, speaking of her husband's murderer.
[00:04:37]  What do we do with this?
[00:04:38]  Is this good?
[00:04:40]  Is this bad?
[00:04:41]  How do we live in light of forgiving those who murder our family, obeying the command of Christ to exercise forgiveness?

=== Forgiveness Amidst Justice (07:34) ===

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[00:06:35]  In light of what Erica Kirk said on Sunday, let's start the conversation right here.
[00:06:40]  I tweeted out the following Here's a tweet from me.
[00:06:44]  I said, The wife of a murdered husband can forgive her husband's killer if she desires.
[00:06:51]  That's number one.
[00:06:52]  Number two, the wife must forgive if the killer truly repents and asks for her forgiveness.
[00:06:59]  Number three, the civil magistrate, Christians have to begin to think in categories, the civil magistrate being a different piece on the board.
[00:07:08]  This is not the widowed wife.
[00:07:10]  This is not someone who's been personally offended.
[00:07:13]  This is someone ordained by God to be his vengeance against the evildoer, to not bear the sword in vain, to carry out justice.
[00:07:22]  The civil magistrate must not forgive.
[00:07:26]  He must not forgive, for he is God's vessel for vengeance.
[00:07:31]  He must execute.
[00:07:33]  Execute justice, yes, but also literally execute.
[00:07:36]  When it comes to a murderer, that is a capital crime and it merits a capital punishment.
[00:07:42]  If it is a murder, a capital crime that happens at a national level with a public national figure, as it did occur in the case of Charlie Kirk, then I believe that that capital punishment should be just, fair trial, swift.
[00:07:58]  Right?
[00:07:58]  If justice is delayed, Deuteronomy says, then evildoers will spring up.
[00:08:02]  They'll take that as a license to do more evil.
[00:08:05]  Look, somebody got away with murder.
[00:08:07]  So it needs to be proportional justice.
[00:08:09]  It needs to be fair justice.
[00:08:11]  There's a fair trial.
[00:08:12]  It needs to be swift justice, not delayed.
[00:08:15]  And if it's a public national crime, like the case of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, then that justice should be carried out publicly.
[00:08:24]  What do I mean?
[00:08:25]  I'll speak in no uncertain terms.
[00:08:28]  I believe.
[00:08:29]  That Charlie Kirk's murderer should be put to death and that his execution should be publicly nationally televised.
[00:08:38]  Nobody has to tune in, nobody has to watch.
[00:08:41]  Parents with children, you don't necessarily need to put your kids in front of the TV and make them open their eyes.
[00:08:47]  But I do think that that execution, that capital punishment for a capital crime with a national level crime, that justice should be carried out nationally and publicly where everyone is able to witness it if they so desire.
[00:09:01]  We all saw him get shot.
[00:09:02]  That's right.
[00:09:03]  Most of us picked up our phone.
[00:09:04]  Be it Twitter, be it Instagram, we saw the crime took place.
[00:09:07]  We were exposed to it.
[00:09:09]  So, in the same way, the justice proportionally would literally be again in front of everyone.
[00:09:13]  Here's the wickedness he did.
[00:09:14]  You all saw it.
[00:09:15]  That's right.
[00:09:15]  Here's the justice being administered.
[00:09:17]  It's good for the public to see.
[00:09:19]  If they so desire, that's up to them, their own volition.
[00:09:23]  But more importantly, arguably, it is good for others who have murderous hearts who may be thinking of carrying out wicked deeds against conservatives, against Christians.
[00:09:35]  It's good for them to see.
[00:09:36]  That's one of the things that stops future crime.
[00:09:39]  People say, Well, capital punishment does not seek or even attempt to rehabilitate the criminal, correct?
[00:09:48]  But what it does do is it dissuades other criminals from doing the same thing.
[00:09:54]  There are other people right now.
[00:09:56]  I mean, you saw the left and many thousands, this is not hyperbole, thousands of people's reaction to the murder of Charlie Kirk.
[00:10:05]  For thousands of people in our country, it was absolute glee.
[00:10:10]  They were elated.
[00:10:12]  They were joyful.
[00:10:14]  I mean, some of them, tears of joy.
[00:10:17]  They loved seeing a father and husband's blood come out of his neck as he falls over in front of his wife and children.
[00:10:27]  They applauded it.
[00:10:28]  They love it.
[00:10:30]  They love it.
[00:10:31]  And it would be good for them because some of them have murder in their hearts and they actually are designing some of them, whether it be in some Discord app or whatever, some of them are right now.
[00:10:44]  Planning and plotting to do something like that again, and for them to be inhibited by seeing publicly, nationally televised, this is the consequence for anyone who would do something so wicked and heinous.
[00:10:59]  That is a grace to our society at large.
[00:11:02]  That is one of the ways to protect the innocent is to swiftly and justly and publicly punish the guilty.
[00:11:10]  When you publicly and swiftly and justly punish the guilty, it sets up a hedge.
[00:11:16]  An inhibition and a hedge around the innocent so that other wicked people would not do likewise.
[00:11:23]  I like that you said impersonal as it relates to the state and the magistrate administering justice.
[00:11:27]  We actually have these categories in law where there's one thing if you were to press charges, so I can press charges against someone for like $500.
[00:11:35]  The district attorney is not going to care.
[00:11:36]  They're not going to bring the whole force in.
[00:11:38]  But this crime, the state is coming in saying, I don't even care if you want to press charges or not, Erica.
[00:11:43]  We as the state see this as so severe and so violent.
[00:11:47]  That we will be pressing charges.
[00:11:48]  We will collect the evidence.
[00:11:50]  Even if you yourself personally, well, I forgive and I wouldn't want to do this, the state itself comes in and says, we personally were not offended.
[00:11:58]  The United States federal government, in the death of Charlie Kirk, nothing actually happened to him.
[00:12:02]  He was a friend of it.
[00:12:03]  But the state itself, in the interest of common order, even still in our time, says, we're going to take it from here.
[00:12:08]  Whether you would press charges or not, we have responsibility because of the severity of this crime to carry out justice in an impartial manner, regardless of if you forgive or not.
[00:12:17]  And in that regard, there was something that happened yesterday in this memorial service for Charlie Kirk between Erica and Donald Trump.
[00:12:24]  And I'm not talking about the moment where they hugged each other.

=== The Fishy Official Narrative (16:18) ===

[00:12:26]  That was sweet.
[00:12:27]  I appreciate that.
[00:12:28]  I'm not talking about that.
[00:12:29]  I'm talking about independently of one another.
[00:12:31]  Something that Trump said in his speech, and then something that Erica said in hers.
[00:12:34]  We've already addressed what Erica said.
[00:12:36]  I'm speaking particularly about her saying, I forgive him.
[00:12:40]  I forgive my husband's murderer.
[00:12:42]  Okay.
[00:12:42]  But there's something that also happened in Trump's speech.
[00:12:45]  Now, I'm going to go ahead and step out on a limb and say this because this is what I believe.
[00:12:50]  And And I think that it's worth saying.
[00:12:53]  Trump's speech was not that good.
[00:12:57]  It wasn't.
[00:13:00]  Donald J. Trump, I voted for him.
[00:13:02]  I don't regret that decision.
[00:13:05]  And yeah, I voted for him.
[00:13:10]  But I said during the election season, during his campaign, as I said publicly that I was going to vote for Donald Trump, I said, I'm going to vote for him.
[00:13:19]  But then, as a minister, as a husband, and a father, and most importantly, simply as a Christian man and a citizen of these United States, if he's elected into office, the moment that he is, if he does not do what God wills, Deis Volt, if he does not do what God wills, I'm going to be one of the first and one of the loudest to call him to account.
[00:13:42]  And the reality is, we simply have to recognize that so far, with the last nine months of Trump's presidency, there's been a lot of bark and far too little bite.
[00:13:53]  We do not have anything close to mass deportations.
[00:13:56]  Even what we saw recently over the weekend in regards to H 1B visas, we all got excited.
[00:14:01]  And I have to admit, I have to admit, I think I may have racked up another fell forward again award.
[00:14:07]  It's in the mail.
[00:14:08]  It's getting delivered.
[00:14:09]  It's in the mail.
[00:14:09]  It's on its way here.
[00:14:10]  I'm ashamed.
[00:14:12]  It's a piece of mail that I don't want to be delivered, but I have to admit, I earned it.
[00:14:17]  You'll see it back behind us on the studio as soon as it arrives.
[00:14:20]  I'm sure it's first class shipping.
[00:14:23]  Joel Webbin fell for it again.
[00:14:26]  Award.
[00:14:27]  Donald Trump said $100,000.
[00:14:28]  That's what we heard.
[00:14:29]  $100,000 fee.
[00:14:31]  And I was under the impression from what was said that it was going to be an annual, reoccurring fee.
[00:14:37]  Annual fee.
[00:14:38]  An annual $100,000 fee for every H 1B worker, right?
[00:14:43]  If India is truly filled with the most genius people on God's green earth, and we can't beat China in the tech race without them, and all of civilization in the West will utterly collapse without the God ordained geniuses in India being hired by our tech companies.
[00:15:04]  If that's the case, then surely it's worth $100,000.
[00:15:07]  They can come here, make $500,000.
[00:15:09]  Take 100,000, renew that visa.
[00:15:11]  Right, exactly.
[00:15:12]  H1B is a skilled worker visa.
[00:15:13]  That's right.
[00:15:14]  This is not Dairy Queen.
[00:15:15]  This is not pickleball coaching.
[00:15:16]  This is skilled workers.
[00:15:17]  Or cricket coaching.
[00:15:18]  Or cricket coaching, believe it or not.
[00:15:20]  Yeah, believe it.
[00:15:21]  Let's talk about the circle of life, right?
[00:15:23]  Lion King, the circle of life.
[00:15:25]  British colonizes India, teaches them cricket, and now India is colonizing the West and bringing cricket back.
[00:15:31]  I mean, it's one of those things.
[00:15:33]  It's like, on one hand, I'm like, this is beautiful.
[00:15:35]  You know, it's just the circle of colonization.
[00:15:37]  On the other hand, I'm actually furious.
[00:15:39]  So it's actually not beautiful at all.
[00:15:42]  They need to go home.
[00:15:43]  They need to go home.
[00:15:44]  But if, Wes is absolutely right, if it is the case that Americans, because this is pretty much the rhetoric that we saw over Christmas, and you can't forget these things, guys.
[00:15:55]  Don't have a 15 minute memory.
[00:15:56]  You need to remember that over Christmas, the celebration of the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in a Christian nation, these United States of America, both Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk were cursing on Twitter and yelling.
[00:16:14]  And saying we have to have the H 1B visas, particularly referencing India.
[00:16:20]  We've got to have them or we can't function.
[00:16:23]  Here's what I suspect, my prediction.
[00:16:27]  If Trump actually held his own feet to the fire, and if it really was a reoccurring $100,000 fee for each of these H 1B visas of these Einsteins from India, apparently, that's what I've been told, then one, that should be a drop in the bucket to get such skilled, incredible labor.
[00:16:48]  And two, They should not be threatened by that at all and be willing to do it.
[00:16:53]  But what I suspect is that if Trump actually held to this, and he's not, now I hope he goes back flip flop, flip flop.
[00:16:59]  This is why we chimp, right?
[00:17:01]  Chimp, praise, chimp, praise, chimp, praise, rinse and repeat.
[00:17:04]  That's your job, citizen, patriot.
[00:17:06]  That's your job.
[00:17:08]  Trump, good Trump, praise.
[00:17:10]  Bad Trump, chimp.
[00:17:11]  Good Trump, praise.
[00:17:13]  Bad Trump, chimp.
[00:17:14]  You are a patriot.
[00:17:16]  This is your job.
[00:17:16]  You are saving the West.
[00:17:18]  Don't get lax.
[00:17:19]  Don't get lazy.
[00:17:20]  Keep it up.
[00:17:21]  But if Trump was to flip flop again and go back and say, all right, we're going to do the 100,000 annual fee, this is what I think you would hear from Elon and from Vivek and from others.
[00:17:31]  All of a sudden, you would hear the rhetoric.
[00:17:33]  Shift and they'd say, you know what?
[00:17:35]  Turns out we did a little bit more research, and turns out Americans aren't lazy and stupid and dumb.
[00:17:41]  It turns out that per capita, there are more geniuses here in America than any other country, and by far more than India.
[00:17:50]  And we're doing just fine.
[00:17:52]  And it turns out that hiring Indians was not because of their gargantuan intellect, but rather it was because this is a hundred thousand dollar job for an American, but we could pay them 65 to 70,000 and they'd be happy.
[00:18:06]  And they'd be happy.
[00:18:07]  And now that it costs $165 to $170 because of this added $100,000 fee, we have seen the light and we have rediscovered a passion and respect within ourselves for American citizens and their own skill and labor.
[00:18:22]  That's what would happen.
[00:18:23]  So, all that being said, Trump has some mistakes.
[00:18:27]  He is racking them up.
[00:18:28]  He came out with this rhetoric and then immediately backpedaled.
[00:18:31]  And remember, the first administration, one of the big complaints, you chose bad people to lead different departments.
[00:18:36]  And right now, Kash Patel and Pam Bondi, two of the most important.
[00:18:40]  Decisions he made, they have been terrible.
[00:18:43]  Absolutely.
[00:18:43]  We got to be honest.
[00:18:44]  The mistakes that dogged him in the first one have been dogging him here in the second.
[00:18:47]  That's right.
[00:18:48]  A lesson was not learned.
[00:18:49]  And I will say this in regards to Kash Patel, we nailed that one.
[00:18:54]  We publicly came out immediately and said, This is a bad pick.
[00:18:58]  Not our guy.
[00:18:59]  How do you know?
[00:19:00]  How do you know he wasn't our guy?
[00:19:01]  He seems so base, you know, as he's looking at the camera, like.
[00:19:05]  He's like, My eyes are on it.
[00:19:06]  My brother in Christ, your eyes are.
[00:19:08]  Like, he seems so base.
[00:19:10]  He was our guy.
[00:19:10]  He's MAGA, you know, like.
[00:19:12]  A lot of people were excited about cash.
[00:19:14]  We were not from the get go, and we were outspoken publicly.
[00:19:17]  We did an episode about it against them.
[00:19:19]  It's like, my goodness, you guys, it's like you have a sixth sense.
[00:19:22]  You know, are you prophets, the son of a prophet?
[00:19:24]  How did you know?
[00:19:25]  Because he's a foreigner who worships foreign gods.
[00:19:27]  That's how we knew.
[00:19:28]  Yeah.
[00:19:29]  Pam Bondi, how did you know?
[00:19:31]  Because she's a woman who needs to be at home.
[00:19:33]  Yep.
[00:19:34]  How'd you know?
[00:19:36]  Pretty simple, guys.
[00:19:36]  What did you study?
[00:19:37]  Where did you find this info?
[00:19:38]  What political.
[00:19:39]  Opened up my phone, took a look.
[00:19:41]  What political sensei are you doing your tutelage under?
[00:19:46]  Well, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Word of God.
[00:19:49]  The Bible.
[00:19:49]  Two words.
[00:19:50]  They both started with P. Pam, Patel.
[00:19:52]  Nah, nah.
[00:19:54]  All I needed to know.
[00:19:55]  That was it.
[00:19:55]  No, yeah, you have a foreigner who worships foreign gods.
[00:19:58]  I'll see you in Valhalla.
[00:20:00]  Get that crap out of my country.
[00:20:01]  Which that isn't even accurate because to go to Valhalla, you had to die in combat.
[00:20:05]  So it's Viking pagan mysticism, the wrong application of it.
[00:20:08]  And he himself is not even.
[00:20:10]  That's right.
[00:20:10]  What are we doing?
[00:20:11]  And in the case of Pam Bondi, the book of Isaiah is absolutely clear.
[00:20:16]  It says that one of God's, a sign of his judgment over a nation.
[00:20:20]  Is when children and women rule over them.
[00:20:23]  So, yeah, so Trump is making some of the same mistakes that he's made before.
[00:20:26]  So, all that being said, I want to give us a quick update, especially for those who are new to the channel.
[00:20:32]  We voted for Trump.
[00:20:34]  We're praying for Trump.
[00:20:35]  We're praising Trump occasionally.
[00:20:38]  Feels a little bit rare than I would like.
[00:20:39]  For the first 12 hours of an announcement, typically, until we get more detail.
[00:20:42]  And then we're chimping out when he inevitably backpedals and does a lot of terrible things.
[00:20:49]  But we did vote for him.
[00:20:50]  We are certainly praying for him.
[00:20:52]  As the commander in chief, president of these United States, we're rooting for him.
[00:20:56]  We want him to win.
[00:20:57]  We don't want him to fail.
[00:20:59]  We want him to be used by God to uphold justice and to make life better for heritage Americans.
[00:21:04]  That's our hope.
[00:21:04]  That's our prayer.
[00:21:06]  But right now, it's not going so well.
[00:21:08]  So there's the disclaimer, long disclaimer in regards to Trump.
[00:21:11]  He said one thing, and I believe, unfortunately, by accident, I don't really think this was calculated or intentional, but by accident, he did say one thing that I actually fully support.
[00:21:22]  There will be another caveat, I'll give it in a moment.
[00:21:25]  Erica, the wife of Charlie Kirk, says, I forgive him, speaking of her husband's enemy.
[00:21:32]  Opponent and murderer, someone who shot him in cold blood.
[00:21:35]  Trump says, I'm not like Erica.
[00:21:39]  I'm not like Charlie.
[00:21:41]  Charlie was, you know, he'd talk to anyone.
[00:21:43]  He really loved his political opponents, was willing to sit at the table with them and have peaceful discourse.
[00:21:49]  And, you know, and he's, Trump is talking up Charlie, which is the right thing to do.
[00:21:52]  One, it's true.
[00:21:53]  And two, it's his memorial service.
[00:21:54]  So Trump did a good job in that regard, honoring Charlie Kirk, rightfully so.
[00:21:59]  But then he compares and contrasts himself.
[00:22:02]  Trump always is going to work.
[00:22:04]  You get in there and make this about you.
[00:22:06]  So he starts to talk about himself in his speech, at least some.
[00:22:10]  It wouldn't be a Trump speech without it.
[00:22:12]  And he begins to compare himself to Charlie and to Erica and says, Charlie loved his opponents and Charlie would have forgiven his opponents.
[00:22:22]  And Erica is being forgiving.
[00:22:25]  But I don't.
[00:22:26]  He said, I don't love my opponents.
[00:22:29]  I hate them.
[00:22:30]  And what I want you to see is right there, that is actually a perfect picture.
[00:22:36]  Right, I saw some people doing the Thanos meme, right?
[00:22:39]  Which, you know, if you like Avengers, you know, the hardest thing about watching Avengers is having to go home and tell your dad you're gay, you know.
[00:22:45]  But suffice, you know, for this episode, allow me to use one.
[00:22:49]  There was a time, and that was probably the last movie you could get away with.
[00:22:52]  You're referencing a movie last year.
[00:22:53]  If you're watching Avengers in the year of our Lord 2021, spiritually, if not literally, yeah, you're spiritually or literally gay, yes.
[00:23:00]  Um, but yeah, uh, so there's a scene, and the meme was going around of Thanos, you know, and he's holding this thing, whatever it is, like a level, you know, balancing it on his finger.
[00:23:09]  And the meme in regards to the memorial service from yesterday is the forgiving widow and the hating civil magistrate.
[00:23:19]  Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
[00:23:22]  Good meme.
[00:23:24]  That's what it is.
[00:23:25]  That's going back to my tweet that we opened up the show with out of the cold open.
[00:23:30]  That's what I'm talking about.
[00:23:32]  And here's the difference one is there's a difference of personal difference, and then there's a positional difference, is the way that I could word it.
[00:23:41]  At the personal level, Whoever shot Charlie Kirk, and I'll be honest, I'm not entirely convinced.
[00:23:48]  This one's getting strange.
[00:23:49]  Initially, I was like, hang on, hang on, hang on.
[00:23:52]  But now it's a lot more, especially with the bullet not exiting.
[00:23:55]  That's a Mileser 30-06.
[00:23:56]  I've shot them at the range.
[00:23:58]  Those things are cannons.
[00:23:59]  Right.
[00:24:00]  It stayed in there?
[00:24:01]  I don't know.
[00:24:01]  Yeah.
[00:24:02]  And I'm seeing people, I saw a post of someone like, well, that's because Charlie Kirk, little did you know, not only did he work 23-hour days, but in addition to that, he was actually a superhero undercover and his neck was supernaturally strong.
[00:24:15]  And so even in his death, He was still saving lives of people behind him because the bullet.
[00:24:20]  I literally saw that post.
[00:24:22]  I think that's a little bit silly.
[00:24:23]  Maybe a little much.
[00:24:24]  I think that's a little silly.
[00:24:26]  That said, neither Wes nor I are autistic.
[00:24:30]  We are noticers.
[00:24:31]  We are some of the best of them.
[00:24:33]  We absolutely do some noticing and pattern recognition and historical study.
[00:24:38]  And so we are aware of some of the patterns.
[00:24:42]  That said, guys, don't be autistic.
[00:24:45]  Don't be retarded.
[00:24:47]  Don't miss out on an opportunity.
[00:24:48]  If.
[00:24:49]  If the civil magistrate is going to crush down, he's going to crack down on LGBT, MNOP, mafia, and the radical left and transgender sleeper cells that are and label Antifa as a terrorist group, don't mess that up.
[00:25:07]  Let them do it.
[00:25:07]  Let them cook.
[00:25:08]  Let them cook.
[00:25:09]  My goodness, that's beautiful.
[00:25:11]  We love it.
[00:25:12]  Do it.
[00:25:13]  So the idea of like, it was Ben Shapiro hiding in the crowd, you know, it was the Jews, they did it.
[00:25:21]  Yeah, I think that Israel is a massive problem.
[00:25:25]  But I don't think that we have to say the Jews did it.
[00:25:28]  But to say that it's fishing, yeah.
[00:25:31]  Sure.
[00:25:32]  But some people are saying, well, Charlie Kirk was changing in his position.
[00:25:34]  You know, he was souring on Israel.
[00:25:36]  Look, there's not a single person alive that hasn't been souring on Netanyahu.
[00:25:42]  The dude is committing suicide.
[00:25:43]  His own government is souring on Netanyahu.
[00:25:44]  His own people.
[00:25:45]  There was like a 30,000 people rally in Israel.
[00:25:48]  His people in his cabinet.
[00:25:49]  Saying, please stop starving the children in Gaza.
[00:25:52]  Please.
[00:25:53]  We don't look good.
[00:25:53]  Please.
[00:25:54]  This looks terrible.
[00:25:55]  This is wicked.
[00:25:57]  So, the idea that Charlie was souring on the Israeli government and souring on Netanyahu in particular, well, no duh.
[00:26:04]  Who was it?
[00:26:05]  You can't show your face in public and be a public figure and garner any respect at all if you are shilling for Netanyahu in September of 2020.
[00:26:15]  Unless you're Donald Trump, but even then, he still has that kind of stuff.
[00:26:18]  Well, his approval ratings have gone down substantially.
[00:26:20]  And not in the least, probably because of it.
[00:26:22]  Yeah.
[00:26:22]  Because of it.
[00:26:23]  That is a huge factor.
[00:26:25]  So, yes, Charlie Kirk was souring on Israel in a sense in regards to.
[00:26:31]  The Israel and Iranian war in regards to Netanyahu and genocide and those kinds of things.
[00:26:36]  That said, you know, so why have, you know, I actually have 2,000 private text messages from Charlie, you know.
[00:26:43]  Okay, well, then it's time to release the Kraken.
[00:26:47]  It's time to make those public.
[00:26:49]  If not, then sit down.
[00:26:51]  It's BS.
[00:26:52]  I don't believe you.
[00:26:52]  I don't believe you.
[00:26:53]  So aside from those who are bluffing and saying, well, I have all this private correspondence between Charlie Kirk, I think.
[00:27:01]  Aside from that, which seems like a bluff and dubious at best.
[00:27:05]  Dubious at best.
[00:27:06]  Aside from that, the public record shows this.
[00:27:09]  Charlie, like everyone in the world, including a bunch of Jews in Israel, are souring on the Israeli government and its handling of Gaza and Palestine.
[00:27:18]  Aside from that, though, Charlie Kirk, he loved himself some Israel.
[00:27:25]  Right?
[00:27:25]  In that regard, we have some strong disagreements with Charlie Kirk.
[00:27:29]  Honorable man, Christian man, in the presence and glory of Jesus Christ, right now as we speak.
[00:27:34]  Christian martyr who I do believe died in large part because of his faith in Jesus Christ.
[00:27:39]  God bless Charlie Kirk.
[00:27:40]  Not a bad word to say, but it would be deceitful for me to say the Jews killed Charlie Kirk because he was starting to notice.
[00:27:49]  Charlie Kirk did a lot of things really well.
[00:27:51]  Noticing was not one of them.
[00:27:54]  The dude did not notice, even if it was five inches in front of his face.
[00:27:59]  He was not able or willing to do the pattern recognition.
[00:28:03]  It just wasn't going to happen and it was not happening and that's not why he's dead.
[00:28:07]  His death, though, however, is still fishy.
[00:28:09]  Right.
[00:28:10]  The official narrative that we're getting right now is fishy.
[00:28:13]  That said, if we go with the narrative that we have right now, that Tyler, what is it, Robinson?
[00:28:18]  Tyler Robinson, yeah.
[00:28:19]  Tyler Robinson, the, you know, some boyfriend of a gay furry who was becoming transgender, not great.
[00:28:29]  Also, not shocking, though.
[00:28:30]  It is believable.
[00:28:31]  But if that is the narrative, the official narrative, and it pans out to be true, this is what my point is.
[00:28:37]  Tyler Robinson is not a personal enemy of.
[00:28:41]  Donald J. Trump.
[00:28:43]  Right?

=== Not Loving To Let Murder Go (15:22) ===

[00:28:45]  So, at the personal level, when Jesus says to turn the other cheek, when Jesus says to forgive your brother, if he comes to you, not just seven times, but 70 times seven, and notice there is a condition when Jesus gives this instruction.
[00:28:58]  He says, But if your brother sins against you 70 times seven times and comes to you and repents, you must forgive your brother.
[00:29:07]  These are examples, turning the other cheek or forgiving your brother, these are examples of personal, private enemies.
[00:29:13]  And what we have to be able to do in Christian theology is think in categories.
[00:29:17]  My goodness, evangelicals are insufferable in this regard.
[00:29:22]  But by the grace of God, I'd like to believe that evangelical Christians in America, by God's supernatural grace, one day might be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, that we'd be able to think in categories.
[00:29:33]  There are private, personal enemies, and there are public enemies.
[00:29:37]  Let me give you an example.
[00:29:38]  About a year ago, I had my car parked in the middle of the road.
[00:29:42]  Nope, I'm not an idiot.
[00:29:43]  It was parked right against the curb, about two inches from the curb.
[00:29:48]  And there was a woman who, in the middle of the night, I hear a crash outside my window.
[00:29:55]  I spring out of bed.
[00:29:57]  I immediately have my wife call 911.
[00:29:59]  I go right out the door, and my car is now pushed into the front yard.
[00:30:04]  And the car that hit it is now upside down, completely upside down.
[00:30:09]  And there's a woman crawling over the broken glass trying to get out of the car.
[00:30:15]  She is not a heritage American.
[00:30:18]  I'll leave it at that.
[00:30:19]  Not a Heritage American, and she just destroyed my car, and she could have pushed my car into the house.
[00:30:24]  Our front yard is pretty shallow and harmed my children.
[00:30:28]  And what do I do?
[00:30:30]  Well, I hold it against her.
[00:30:31]  Nope.
[00:30:32]  I run to her.
[00:30:33]  I pick her up, help her out of the car, get my wife, who already has 911, speaking to the authorities on speakerphone so that I can hear, make sure they're getting here as fast as possible, have her go and run back in and get a blanket.
[00:30:45]  She's cold.
[00:30:46]  She's shivering.
[00:30:46]  She's in shock.
[00:30:47]  We put it around her.
[00:30:48]  We get her a glass of water.
[00:30:49]  We sit with her.
[00:30:51]  Outside of our house in the front yard, out of the street where she's safe, and we wait for the ambulance and the fire truck to arrive, make sure she's perfectly taken care of, and then we try to go back to sleep so that we can start a day with our five kids.
[00:31:04]  Someone slaps you in the cheek.
[00:31:06]  You turn to them the other way.
[00:31:08]  Someone personally offends you.
[00:31:11]  You're willing to overlook it.
[00:31:12]  Love covers a multitude of sin.
[00:31:14]  Your brother sins against you and repents.
[00:31:17]  You grant to him full forgiveness.
[00:31:19]  If a Muslim, Is laying outside my house in the street and someone just shot him and he's laying there and he's bleeding out.
[00:31:30]  I'm going to put pressure on the wound, not womb, the wound, and I'm going to do everything I can.
[00:31:37]  Same thing, wife's calling 911.
[00:31:39]  We're going to do everything we can to see the wound.
[00:31:40]  He's calling ICE as well, though, on the second phone, maybe?
[00:31:42]  Yeah, maybe call ICE also.
[00:31:43]  But we're going to take care of him.
[00:31:45]  If a Jew is shot and hurt, we're going to take care of him.
[00:31:50]  If I have Jewish neighbors who are going on a vacation for a week and they ask me to feed their pet turtle, I'm not going to go and poison the turtle.
[00:31:57]  I'm going to say yes.
[00:31:58]  I'm going to be kind, be hospitable.
[00:32:00]  I'm going to feed the turtle and be a good neighbor, right?
[00:32:02]  That's personal, private.
[00:32:05]  Now, another category, okay?
[00:32:06]  Another category, not the same category.
[00:32:09]  Another category.
[00:32:09]  You can do this, guys.
[00:32:10]  Stay with me.
[00:32:11]  Another category public enemies.
[00:32:14]  Islamic countries are not allies of the United States, they are enemies.
[00:32:19]  Israel should not be an ally of the United States.
[00:32:23]  I believe that Israel is an enemy.
[00:32:26]  I do believe that.
[00:32:27]  I believe the Israeli government is absolutely an enemy.
[00:32:30]  And I believe that Netanyahu, the prime minister, is especially an enemy.
[00:32:35]  Absolutely.
[00:32:36]  I do not believe we should have anyone in our government here in these United States who has dual citizenship in any country, especially not Israel.
[00:32:45]  I do not trust them.
[00:32:46]  I believe they have a split allegiance.
[00:32:49]  And when the allegiance is split, in the case of Israel, the true allegiance always goes to Israel and not America.
[00:32:55]  And it has been that way for a long time.
[00:32:57]  These United States of Israel, I'm sick of it.
[00:33:00]  I'm sick of the United States of Israel.
[00:33:02]  It's not like our lawmakers are going on a tour, 50 states, one Israel, and taking pictures, but they're going.
[00:33:07]  Did that happen last week?
[00:33:08]  Right after Charlie Kirk was assassinated?
[00:33:10]  Son of a gun.
[00:33:11]  Or at least we saw the picture of him.
[00:33:12]  Son of a gun.
[00:33:12]  Yeah, your entire government is in Israel doing field trips.
[00:33:16]  Both sides, too.
[00:33:17]  It's like, well, not our Republicans or not.
[00:33:19]  Nope.
[00:33:19]  Yes.
[00:33:20]  Both.
[00:33:20]  Both.
[00:33:21]  Both sides of the United States.
[00:33:22]  In that regard, there is no difference.
[00:33:23]  The left, the right.
[00:33:25]  You know the difference between the left and the right in regards to Israel?
[00:33:30]  You have gays, gays for Israel, and capitalists for Israel.
[00:33:37]  Right.
[00:33:37]  That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans.
[00:33:40]  As it pertains to Israel, you can have gays for Israel or you can have capitalists for Israel.
[00:33:46]  In other words, there's very little difference.
[00:33:48]  So, private, personal enemy versus public enemy.
[00:33:52]  In the case of Erica Kirk, she is not the civil magistrate.
[00:33:57]  As far as I know, she doesn't even hold a seat on a city council.
[00:34:00]  Nope.
[00:34:01]  She's not a police officer.
[00:34:02]  Praise God.
[00:34:04]  She's not Pam Bondi.
[00:34:06]  All right.
[00:34:06]  We already have enough blonde women.
[00:34:08]  In positions of authority in the United States.
[00:34:10]  She's not one of them.
[00:34:11]  Praise God for that.
[00:34:12]  Okay?
[00:34:13]  She's not the civil magistrate.
[00:34:14]  The killer of Charlie Kirk, her husband, is a personal enemy and a severe enemy.
[00:34:23]  He robbed her of her husband, he robbed her children of their father.
[00:34:29]  A terrible, heinous, wicked enemy, but a personal enemy.
[00:34:34]  And in regards to a personal enemy, she says, I forgive him.
[00:34:40]  I feel like there's nothing you can do as a Christian but look at that and say, I respect that.
[00:34:46]  Yeah.
[00:34:47]  You look at that, you applaud it, you congratulate her, you thank God for that example of the gospel, and you don't say a single disparaging word.
[00:34:58]  And you will not hear one disparaging word in regards to Erica Kirk.
[00:35:03]  God bless her.
[00:35:04]  In regards to Trump, I don't forgive my enemies.
[00:35:07]  I don't love my political opponents like Charlie and Erica.
[00:35:11]  I hate them.
[00:35:12]  Good.
[00:35:13]  My problem with Trump is I don't think he hates him enough.
[00:35:15]  And here's the last disclaimer that I said I would give.
[00:35:18]  The problem with Trump, in my assessment, one problem with Trump is that Trump is in many ways not functioning as a civil magistrate should.
[00:35:27]  Trump actually hates his enemies, but his enemies are not public enemies.
[00:35:32]  He hates his enemies in the literal sense.
[00:35:34]  Trump hates his personal enemies.
[00:35:36]  What I need him to do is hate our enemies.
[00:35:39]  I need him to stand in as representative and commander in chief of a country.
[00:35:44]  And the citizens within it and hate our public enemies.
[00:35:47]  I need him to hate those who don't just hate him, not just someone who had a petty personal grievance, not someone who just slighted him or this, that, or the other, someone who didn't vote for him and he's holding a grudge.
[00:35:59]  No, I need him to hate public enemies.
[00:36:01]  That's his job.
[00:36:02]  So the difference between Erica Kirk and Donald Trump is there are personal enemies.
[00:36:08]  Charlie Kirk's murder is a personal enemy of Erica Kirk and therefore should be forgiven.
[00:36:14]  I think that's good, that's right.
[00:36:16]  In the case of Donald Trump, there are public enemies that it is actually completely appropriate for him to hate.
[00:36:22]  Another difference is position.
[00:36:24]  So the personal level, the positional level.
[00:36:27]  Erica is simply an individual private citizen, widow of Charlie Kirk.
[00:36:33]  Donald Trump is commander in chief president of these United States.
[00:36:37]  The civil magistrate has a God given duty not to exercise mercy, but to execute justice.
[00:36:44]  That's his job.
[00:36:45]  So, how do you obey and follow the tenets of Christianity and the teachings of Christ without being suicidal, without toxic empathy, without just rolling over and playing dead for the rest of the world to come and plunder?
[00:36:58]  All your treasures and steal the future of your children, as we've been doing for quite a while.
[00:37:03]  How do you do that?
[00:37:04]  The way that you do that is not by abandoning Christianity.
[00:37:07]  You do it by embracing historical biblical Christianity and you get rid of this 20th century liberalism crap that's simply walking around in a Christian skin suit.
[00:37:17]  That's not Christianity.
[00:37:19]  It's not.
[00:37:19]  This Mr. Rogers Christianity is not Christianity.
[00:37:23]  True Christianity says at a personal level, a grieving widow can and arguably should forgive.
[00:37:30]  The man who killed her husband.
[00:37:32]  And the civil magistrate, a Christian prince, he should be Christian also, but he's Christian in a public position of office.
[00:37:40]  And he should not forgive that enemy, not as it pertains to his job.
[00:37:44]  His job is to execute not forgiveness, not mercy, not grace, but justice.
[00:37:49]  His job is to say, find me a rope, find me a rope, short rope, tall tree.
[00:37:55]  And if Charlie Kirk's killer, let's say that he came to Christ.
[00:38:00]  And he truly repented of his sins.
[00:38:03]  He's weeping and he says, I believe in Jesus.
[00:38:06]  I'm so sorry for what I've done.
[00:38:07]  I want to be a follower of Jesus.
[00:38:09]  What must I do to be saved?
[00:38:10]  And we would say, Repent of your sins, believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ.
[00:38:14]  Someone, we need three things and we need them stat.
[00:38:17]  We need water, we need water, and we also need a tree and we also need a rope.
[00:38:24]  Let's baptize this man, my brother in Christ, and then let's send him on to Jesus.
[00:38:30]  Mm hmm.
[00:38:30]  That's the proper position.
[00:38:32]  You can do all those things without contradicting the other.
[00:38:35]  And for all the Redditors out there, right?
[00:38:39]  So this is you, right wing watch.
[00:38:40]  This is, you know, for all the Redditors out there, like, oh, I thought you were a Christian.
[00:38:44]  I thought that you, you know, you're supposed to be loving.
[00:38:46]  Yes, you're supposed to be loving.
[00:38:48]  It is not loving to allow someone to get away with murder.
[00:38:52]  It's not loving.
[00:38:54]  Love and justice are not pitted against one another.
[00:38:57]  Love and justice are not enemies of one another.
[00:39:00]  They are not at odds.
[00:39:01]  There is a way.
[00:39:02]  To the church, right?
[00:39:03]  So again, categories.
[00:39:05]  The church as an institute is word and sacrament.
[00:39:08]  That's the church's job.
[00:39:09]  The church is not punishing criminals, right?
[00:39:12]  But the civil magistrate, he better not be administering word and sacrament.
[00:39:16]  He doesn't need to be exercising priestly duties that belong to the church, right?
[00:39:21]  But he does need to exercise the sword.
[00:39:24]  The church has been given water, wine, and bread in the Bible the word.
[00:39:31]  Water, word, wine, and bread.
[00:39:35]  Those are the instruments given to the church.
[00:39:38]  The civil magistrate has been given a sword.
[00:39:41]  Stay in your lane, use what God has assigned to you, and carry out your role.
[00:39:47]  And by doing so, we can be a benevolent society with individual, private, personal Christians who exercise forgiveness and love.
[00:39:55]  And yet, at the same time, corporate, collective officials who also protect these United States against our enemies.
[00:40:04]  It's not that complicated.
[00:40:05]  Any other way of dicing it?
[00:40:07]  ends up with schizophrenia.
[00:40:08]  So if you treated every public enemy, these are the groups of people, the left, Antifa, Muslims, if you treated public enemies with private enemies, well, I want to forgive them.
[00:40:17]  I don't want to hold them accountable to it.
[00:40:19]  I want to extend charity.
[00:40:20]  If you did that, you would quite literally destroy your nation.
[00:40:23]  Carl Schmidt, he says in the concept of the political, never in the thousand year struggle between Christians and Muslims did it occur to a Christian to surrender rather than defend Europe out of love towards the Saracens or the Turks.
[00:40:35]  Christ's command certainly does not mean that one should love and support the enemies of one's own people.
[00:40:40]  What he's kind of saying there is the public enemies, again, individual enemies, love them, pray for them, forgive them.
[00:40:45]  But again, if you treated your public enemies like your private ones that personally offend you, that would be schizophrenic.
[00:40:50]  If you treated everyone personally, everyone on your street that you were a different religion as, As if they were public enemies, you would be a terrible neighbor to be around.
[00:40:58]  The only way that I know of to hold both in tension is to make that level of a private public distinction.
[00:41:04]  Someone personally slighted me, and I'm going to exercise Christian charity and forgiveness, and God is pleased with that.
[00:41:10]  Publicly, as a group, these people are destroying my nation, and I have to do something about it.
[00:41:15]  This was the Crusades.
[00:41:16]  I mean, people like to say, well, Christianity made us weak, and Christianity had all these virtues that really ended up making us subservient.
[00:41:23]  No, Christianity was the thing that made the West great.
[00:41:26]  We conquered the Muslims, we colonized the world.
[00:41:29]  Because we saw fit not to act like that, not to roll over, not to just lie down and take it, but to take back the Holy Land, to take back Jerusalem, to take back from the Muslims.
[00:41:38]  Amen.
[00:41:38]  Think about that for a second.
[00:41:39]  Like, think about what you're claiming to believe.
[00:41:45]  Well, Christianity doesn't have a spine, Christianity has no defensive mechanism.
[00:41:49]  Christianity, for 1300 years, has fought off Muslim hordes.
[00:41:55]  Christianity, you're talking about the Crusades, you're talking about King Alfred, you're talking about Duke Godfrey, you're talking about.
[00:42:00]  All these Iskanderbeg, you're talking about all these incredible heroes.
[00:42:04]  Richard the Lionheart.
[00:42:05]  They did not call him Richard the Lionheart because he was really, really great at his catechisms.
[00:42:10]  They called him Richard the Lionheart because he was a fierce and terrifying warrior.
[00:42:16]  They called him Richard the Lionheart.
[00:42:18]  He discharged groups of 30 to 40 Muslims and hacked them apart single handedly.
[00:42:22]  By himself.
[00:42:22]  If only he had read the Gospels.
[00:42:24]  Think of King David.
[00:42:26]  King David, the reason he couldn't build the temple and it ultimately had to go to his son Solomon to perform that task was because his hands had shed too much blood.
[00:42:34]  And yet, at the same time, not despite that, but at the same time, he is referenced by God as a man after God's own heart.
[00:42:41]  He's famous because he went out and killed Goliath.
[00:42:43]  There would be pastors today, David, we've got someone made in God's image here.
[00:42:47]  Have you loved them?
[00:42:48]  They would literally say that to him.
[00:42:49]  Whereas his character and his conduct in that is lauded by the Bible.
[00:42:53]  No wins.
[00:42:54]  His courage against Goliath.
[00:42:55]  Exactly.
[00:42:56]  David doesn't say, you know what?
[00:42:57]  What if we had open discourse with Goliath?
[00:42:59]  No, David says, who is this uncircumcised Philistine who dares to defy the armies of the living God?
[00:43:06]  I'm going to feed your carcass to the birds and chop off your head.
[00:43:10]  Not very winsome.
[00:43:12]  But beautiful.
[00:43:13]  Absolutely biblical, God glorifying.
[00:43:17]  That was right.
[00:43:18]  That was right.
[00:43:19]  So, no, if you think that Christianity, because think about what you're believing.
[00:43:23]  You're essentially saying that the problem today is that the West has become too Christian.
[00:43:28]  Wait, it's 2025.
[00:43:30]  So you're saying the West is weak now because of Christianity?
[00:43:34]  Because it's not like the West all of a sudden became Christian.
[00:43:37]  Right.
[00:43:37]  It's been Christian for arguably 1500 years, stretching all the way back, you know, 1600 years to Constantine, right?
[00:43:43]  And easily, for sure, no dispute, a thousand years stretching back to King Alfred.
[00:43:48]  So the West has been Christian for a very, very long time.
[00:43:50]  And so you would essentially have to say, well, the Crusades, the reason why the West was strong in military and battle centuries ago is because it was less Christian then.
[00:44:01]  But now the West has become too Christian, and that's why we're being overrun.
[00:44:05]  No, it's precisely the opposite.

=== When Christians Lose Their Spine (03:24) ===

[00:44:07]  We were more Christian then, and that's also.
[00:44:10]  Coincidentally, coincidence, I think not, that's also when we had a spine and when we were strong and when we were resilient and when the world feared us.
[00:44:19]  And now, now we've just become too Christian.
[00:44:23]  No, we haven't become too Christian.
[00:44:24]  We've murdered 70 million babies in their mother's womb in the last 50 years.
[00:44:28]  We have gay furries.
[00:44:31]  Gay furries.
[00:44:32]  No, we are not too Christian.
[00:44:33]  I promise you.
[00:44:34]  We have not become too Christian.
[00:44:35]  We have left and abandoned our Christian roots, our Christian foundation.
[00:44:41]  And in abandoning Christianity, That has not made us stronger because now we don't have to turn the other cheek.
[00:44:47]  It's made us weaker.
[00:44:48]  We were stronger when, at a personal, private, individual Christians were obeying the commands of Christ, but they could think in theological categories and publicly, collectively, they had a spine.
[00:45:00]  There was fortitude, there was strength.
[00:45:02]  We were stronger then in our more Christian past than we are now in our less Christian present.
[00:45:09]  That's indisputable.
[00:45:11]  Let's go to our first commercial break.
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[00:45:13]  And I want to talk about one more thing that Erica Kirk said right before she said, I forgive him.
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=== Forgive Them For They Know Not (15:29) ===

[00:47:31]  All right, so let's talk about this.
[00:47:32]  So, Erica Kirk, right before she said, I forgive him, speaking of her husband's murderer, which was a powerful moment, and many people appreciated it, and I appreciated it as well.
[00:47:42]  Right before that, though, she quotes Jesus, and this is from the passion of the Christ, his crucifixion from the cross.
[00:47:49]  There's a moment where Jesus says in a prayer to his father, he says, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
[00:47:56]  Now, I think this is important.
[00:47:58]  Okay, so, Stephen.
[00:47:59]  Who was a deacon?
[00:48:01]  He was one of the seven, a deacon at the time in the church at this would have been Jerusalem, right?
[00:48:06]  Or Antioch.
[00:48:07]  No, it's Jerusalem.
[00:48:08]  Before things had transferred to Antioch, he was one of the seven.
[00:48:11]  The apostles say to the Jerusalem's church, they say, Look, it's not right for us to wait on tables and widows and orphans.
[00:48:17]  Speaking of apostles, our ministry is prayer and the reading and teaching of the word.
[00:48:22]  So there are widows who need care, and that's a good and godly, pious thing to do.
[00:48:28]  But we are not fit for the task.
[00:48:29]  God has given to us another ministry.
[00:48:31]  So we need to appoint men, seven men in particular, they say, filled with the Holy Spirit and wisdom and these things so that they can fulfill this task of mercy.
[00:48:39]  Of mercy to those who need it in the church, primarily widows and orphans.
[00:48:44]  And so, seven men are selected by the church, the church at Jerusalem.
[00:48:46]  They go and find men who meet the qualifications outlined by the apostles.
[00:48:50]  Stephen is one of these men.
[00:48:52]  Another, an evangelist, Philip is one of these men.
[00:48:54]  So, in the case of Stephen, many of you are probably familiar with the scripture that he is martyred, he's stoned.
[00:49:01]  And he's stoned, I believe, by the Sanhedrin.
[00:49:03]  I think so.
[00:49:04]  It's religious Jewish leaders.
[00:49:05]  The Sanhedrin is important to understand in the context of Old Covenant Israel at the time of Christ.
[00:49:11]  The Sanhedrin was both religious but also political.
[00:49:14]  It functioned for Israel much in the same way that the Supreme Court would function for us.
[00:49:20]  So it's not just a group of pastors with a religious facet, but there's also a very political, authoritative civil facet as well.
[00:49:31]  It's like if the Supreme Court was also, they also functioned as cardinals in the Catholic Church or something like that.
[00:49:38]  That would be the equivalent of the Sanhedrin.
[00:49:40]  And so, Stephen.
[00:49:42]  Is held on a mock trial, much like Jesus, and they put him to death and they stone him.
[00:49:49]  And as he's being stoned, after a sermon on you're rejecting Christ, that's what they ask him, the high priest, are these things true?
[00:49:55]  And he says, Yes, Moses and David and Solomon, all these different things, Abraham, Christ is the culmination, the fulfillment of it.
[00:50:02]  And you've rejected, and they literally, like, they can't control themselves.
[00:50:05]  They literally physically cannot control.
[00:50:07]  As soon as Stephen says, You killed the Christ, you killed God's anointed one, you killed the Son of God, the Messiah.
[00:50:15]  Specifically, when he says, I seize the Son of Man at the right hand of God.
[00:50:19]  So he's saying, This Jesus who you rejected, I'm looking at heaven now and I'm seeing it.
[00:50:23]  And that's not hyperbole.
[00:50:24]  I believe in that moment.
[00:50:25]  Supernaturally, the Spirit gave him the ability, spiritual eyes to see.
[00:50:28]  And he had Stephen in that moment, had a vision as he's standing trial and was able to see into heaven in a spiritual but very real sense.
[00:50:36]  It could see Jesus.
[00:50:38]  And Jesus, in that moment, who's seated at the right hand of God the Father, is now standing as though Jesus, the Son of God, is offering to Stephen a standing ovation.
[00:50:47]  For his boldness, his courage, and his faithfulness.
[00:50:49]  An incredible thing.
[00:50:51]  Incredible thing.
[00:50:52]  It almost makes me want to tear up to think of, you know, just to think of Jesus saying on the final day for me, you know, well done, good and faithful servant.
[00:51:00]  But to think of Stephen, he's standing.
[00:51:02]  He stands up off of his throne, giving honor to Stephen as Stephen is about to pay the highest price anyone can pay for their faith in Jesus, his very life, to become a martyr.
[00:51:13]  And it's when he says that you crucified him, you rejected him, and I see him at the right hand of God the Father.
[00:51:19]  And for them, that was blasphemy.
[00:51:20]  They're so enraged, they pick up stones and begin to pummel him to death.
[00:51:25]  They don't even have really the jurisdiction to do it by occupation of Rome.
[00:51:28]  This was Jesus.
[00:51:29]  Remember, they had to kind of get the Romans to do the dirty work.
[00:51:30]  They had to get the Romans to put Jesus in prison.
[00:51:32]  This one, they're like, forget the consequences.
[00:51:34]  This guy, we're killing him now.
[00:51:36]  This guy's anti Semitic.
[00:51:37]  Yeah.
[00:51:38]  Seriously, they're like, this guy's anti Semitic.
[00:51:40]  And so we're literally going to break the law and make sure we kill him right now.
[00:51:45]  Yes, there are a lot of parallels from what I'm saying to you know, Tucker Carlson described something.
[00:51:49]  Right?
[00:51:49]  This is hilarious.
[00:51:50]  I find it hilarious.
[00:51:51]  Tucker Carlson didn't even say the word Jew or Israel.
[00:51:55]  He, in the most vague of language, simply described in about 15 seconds the conspiring and plotting to kill Jesus.
[00:52:09]  And modern Jews today heard that speech from Tucker and instinctively responded, He's talking about us.
[00:52:16]  That's anti Semitic.
[00:52:18]  So Tucker literally says, Hey, people conspired together and killed Christ.
[00:52:23]  And today's Jews immediately like, That's anti Semitism.
[00:52:27]  To which my response is.
[00:52:28]  We'll have to ponder here.
[00:52:29]  Yes.
[00:52:30]  Even a vague general synopsis of the Bible is anti Semitic.
[00:52:35]  What do I mean by that?
[00:52:36]  In an objective sense, no.
[00:52:39]  But according to some Jews and their hostile views towards Christ and towards Christianity and towards the scripture, yeah, according to them, it would be anti Semitic.
[00:52:50]  It would be.
[00:52:50]  So, all that being said, Stephen is a martyr.
[00:52:53]  And Stephen says, so people, they'll go back and forth.
[00:52:56]  The reason I bring up Stephen and Jesus.
[00:52:58]  So, Jesus, as he's hanging on the cross, and Stephen, right before he's stoned, they both say, Forgive them, forgive them.
[00:53:06]  So, this is Acts chapter 7, verse 60.
[00:53:08]  It says this And falling to his knees, he, that's Stephen, cried out with a loud voice, Lord, do not hold this sin against them.
[00:53:16]  That's the people who are about to kill him, in this case, the Jews.
[00:53:20]  And when Stephen had said this, he fell asleep.
[00:53:24]  That is, he died.
[00:53:25]  He was stoned to death.
[00:53:27]  Now, notice here he says, Do not hold this sin against them.
[00:53:31]  Now, in the case of Jesus, Jesus is the one who says, Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.
[00:53:38]  Now, it's a common kind of misnomer that a lot of times people think that Stephen quotes Jesus exactly.
[00:53:44]  He doesn't.
[00:53:45]  So they both are forgiving those who are putting them to death, right?
[00:53:50]  In the moment of their death.
[00:53:51]  That's true.
[00:53:52]  There's certainly a parallel there and it's striking.
[00:53:54]  But Jesus is the only one, not Stephen.
[00:53:56]  Jesus is the one who says, Forgive them for they know not what they do.
[00:53:59]  Stephen does not say, They know not what they do.
[00:54:02]  He simply says, Please, Lord, don't hold this sin against them.
[00:54:06]  Right?
[00:54:06]  I think what you can say is Stephen ultimately is praying in that moment for their repentance and conversion.
[00:54:12]  Yeah.
[00:54:12]  That they would repent of their sin.
[00:54:14]  But he doesn't say they don't know what they're doing because in the case of Stephen's death, the Jews who are actually carrying out his death, picking up the stones and stoning him, the Jews knew exactly what they were doing.
[00:54:25]  So Stephen had just explained to them in a whole sermon here's what you did.
[00:54:28]  That's right.
[00:54:29]  They're literally right there in front of him.
[00:54:31]  He explains to them from the Old Testament.
[00:54:34]  And they reject it and then pick up stones to kill.
[00:54:37]  They know exactly what they're doing.
[00:54:38]  So, Stephen's not going in a prayer right before his death, before becoming a Christian martyr, going to lie to God.
[00:54:44]  God, they don't know what they're doing.
[00:54:45]  Stephen wouldn't say that because Stephen knows they do know what they're doing.
[00:54:48]  Jesus says they don't know what they're doing.
[00:54:50]  Why?
[00:54:50]  Because Jesus isn't talking about the Jews.
[00:54:54]  Jesus, I believe, is talking about the Romans.
[00:54:57]  See, Jesus was not put to death by the people who held the mock trial in the middle of the night and produced false witnesses, the Sanhedrin, the Jews.
[00:55:06]  In the case of Jesus, they handed him over to Pilate and got Pilate and the Romans to actually do the deed, which was actually the law at that time.
[00:55:14]  They should have done the same with Stephen, but they didn't.
[00:55:16]  They did it with Jesus, though.
[00:55:17]  So it's the Romans who drive the nails through Christ's hands and feet and place the crown of thorns on his head and scourge him and flog him.
[00:55:27]  It's the Romans.
[00:55:28]  And so when Jesus is saying, Forgive them, for they know not what they do, he's speaking about the very people who are right there in front of him in that moment as he's hanging on the cross.
[00:55:39]  It's the Roman centurions.
[00:55:41]  It's the Roman soldiers.
[00:55:42]  And here's the case, or the point.
[00:55:46]  Many of those Romans, if not arguably even all of them, didn't know what they were doing.
[00:55:52]  They actually did not.
[00:55:53]  Remember, Pilate is the only one that you could even argue knows what he's doing.
[00:55:58]  And even in his case, it's only because God gave a supernatural vision, dream, revelation to Pilate's wife.
[00:56:04]  Not even to him, to his wife, to his wife.
[00:56:06]  To his wife.
[00:56:06]  Right.
[00:56:07]  But in the case of the Roman soldiers, and how do you know this, Joel?
[00:56:10]  It feels like you're just doing some far fetched eisegesis in order to maintain your anti Semitism.
[00:56:16]  Nope, I'm not.
[00:56:18]  One of the Roman guards, after Jesus had died, right, where he's going to the two criminals on Jesus' sides, his left and his right, to break their legs so they can no longer push up.
[00:56:28]  Off the nails in their feet in order to catch a breath so that they would die quickly.
[00:56:34]  He goes and he's going to break the legs of Jesus as well, but he realizes he doesn't need to because Jesus is already dead.
[00:56:39]  And so instead, he takes his spear and he pierces the side of Christ and outflows blood and water.
[00:56:47]  And he says, then, Surely this was the Son of God.
[00:56:52]  In other words, meaning he's come to a realization that he didn't have previously.
[00:56:57]  See, these Roman soldiers, you have to think about it.
[00:57:01]  Think of just normal police officers, right?
[00:57:05]  This is the guy who his job, back when we actually used to be a just society and carry out capital punishment, this would be like the guy who his job is to pull the switch for the electric chair, right?
[00:57:18]  He wasn't there in the courtroom.
[00:57:20]  He's not a part of the trial.
[00:57:21]  He didn't weigh all the evidence, he didn't witness the crime.
[00:57:23]  It's just that's his job.
[00:57:25]  All that has already been done by somebody else.
[00:57:26]  Somebody else did that.
[00:57:27]  Somebody else held the trial, somebody else made the decision.
[00:57:30]  His job is to pull the switch.
[00:57:32]  Right?
[00:57:33]  And it would be like the person in the chair right before he pulls the switch, who's actually innocent and was framed for the crime, saying, God, please forgive this executioner who's about to kill me.
[00:57:46]  He's going to be the one whose hands literally kill me, but he's not the one who put me here.
[00:57:50]  He's not the one who conspired and plotted towards my death.
[00:57:54]  Yes, he's executing it, he's the one who's going to pull the lever, but he doesn't know what he's doing.
[00:57:58]  Forgive him, for he knows not what he's doing.
[00:58:01]  That's what Jesus, I believe, is saying from the cross.
[00:58:03]  And I think he's speaking not about the Jews, but the Romans.
[00:58:05]  And it's precisely why Stephen doesn't say it in his case, because the people in front of him who are killing him are not the Romans, but the Jews themselves.
[00:58:11]  And they did know what they were doing.
[00:58:14]  Now, all that being said, back to Erica Kirk.
[00:58:16]  She says, Forgive them, quoting Jesus, for they know not what they do.
[00:58:22]  God bless Erica Kirk.
[00:58:24]  She did a phenomenal job throughout this whole ordeal.
[00:58:26]  She has handled herself with pomp, with dignity, with elegance, with wisdom.
[00:58:33]  I have not a single bad word to hear.
[00:58:34]  So please, please do not take this the wrong way.
[00:58:37]  I honor her and appreciate her.
[00:58:40]  I do think that's a misapplication, though, in that moment.
[00:58:44]  Because here's my point this matters all the way back to the major theme, the overarching theme of today's episode.
[00:58:50]  Today's episode, our major theme is if we embrace the teachings of Christ, particularly as it pertains to mercy and forgiveness, is that ultimately going to be the death nail in the coffin of the West?
[00:59:02]  Right?
[00:59:02]  That's a good question.
[00:59:03]  It's a good question.
[00:59:04]  And so, one of the ways that we make sure it's not the death nail is we don't disparage Christian widows who are worthy of honor, like Erica.
[00:59:12]  Kirk, but we do very respectfully, like I'm going to do now, clarify, theologically clarify, so that America as a whole doesn't embody bad theology that could pan out to be suicidal.
[00:59:27]  Okay?
[00:59:29]  When Jesus says, Forgive them, for they know not what they do, that was not a universal principle that each of us should apply.
[00:59:36]  I don't believe that.
[00:59:37]  I believe that's a not prescriptive text, but a descriptive text describing a one time prayer.
[00:59:46]  That was relevant for the Son of God and his murder, and was relevant to those who were literally physically carrying out his execution, his crucifixion, the Romans, because they literally did not know what they were doing.
[01:00:01]  They were like the guys pulling the lever on the electric chair.
[01:00:05]  Imagine you're a Roman soldier and you show up and say, Hey, what's on the docket today for work?
[01:00:11]  Well, today you're in charge of executing another criminal.
[01:00:15]  He's been found guilty?
[01:00:16]  Yeah.
[01:00:18]  He went through the process.
[01:00:19]  Yep.
[01:00:19]  Pilate said he's guilty.
[01:00:21]  There was a trial that was held.
[01:00:22]  He was interrogated and questioned.
[01:00:24]  This guy's a rabble rouser.
[01:00:25]  He's a rebel.
[01:00:26]  He's a rebel.
[01:00:26]  Trying to start a revolt.
[01:00:28]  That's my job today.
[01:00:30]  That's very different than the Sanhedrin and the Pharisees and the scribes and the Sadducees who were watching like a hawk with immense scrutiny.
[01:00:39]  Paying people to fiercely testify.
[01:00:41]  They saw everything that Jesus was doing, they knew all the details, paying people, literally bribing people to produce false testimony, false witnesses.
[01:00:50]  Holding a trial in the middle of the night so that nobody could come and testify in defense of Christ, and then literally paying people in the crowd to join them in crying out to Pilate, Give us Barabbas.
[01:01:05]  Give us the murderer.
[01:01:07]  We want him released back as a free man into society.
[01:01:10]  Give us him.
[01:01:12]  So the guys who paid people to say that and held a mock trial, kangaroo court, and paid false witnesses and did follow Jesus' ministry, his public ministry for three years.
[01:01:23]  Meticulously and knew every single detail.
[01:01:25]  Those are not the guys that Jesus is saying, hey, forgive them, they don't know what they do.
[01:01:28]  They knew exactly what they were doing.
[01:01:31]  The Roman soldiers who are now coming to work that day and carrying out the execution because it's their vocation and their job, they didn't know what they're doing.
[01:01:39]  And so, for us to then take that as a universal principle and say, hey, when a guy premeditates and he brings a gun and he points it at your throat in front of your wife and children and pulls the trigger, you know what?
[01:01:54]  God forgive him because he didn't know what he was doing.
[01:01:56]  No, that is not a Christian principle.
[01:01:58]  That does not need to be universalized.
[01:02:03]  Erica Kirk has gone through hell, certainly not holding it against her.
[01:02:08]  Most of what she said was beautiful, wonderful.
[01:02:11]  Even her personally, like we talked about personal, private enemies, public enemies, her personally choosing to forgive this guy, phenomenal.
[01:02:19]  How can you disparage that?
[01:02:21]  Incredible.
[01:02:22]  God bless her 10,000 times over.
[01:02:23]  God bless her.
[01:02:25]  I just want to take that one thing, not to disparage her, but I am concerned as a Christian, as a pastor.
[01:02:31]  That we have bad theology in the church and in our nation today that is causing us to weaponize Christianity in such a way that it becomes a suicidal mechanism to destroy the West.
[01:02:47]  And I think that that's one example.
[01:02:48]  And I don't think she meant to do it.
[01:02:50]  I'm not trying to make it about her.
[01:02:52]  Now I'm just talking about the principle.
[01:02:54]  No, it is not a universal Christian principle that all followers of Jesus have to ask God.

=== Weaponizing Christianity Is Suicidal (11:54) ===

[01:03:01]  To forgive anyone who offends them and specifically tell God that everyone who sins against them is innocent because they were ignorant.
[01:03:12]  That is not a universal Christian principle.
[01:03:14]  That's particular to Jesus.
[01:03:16]  Stephen also says, Forgive them, but does not.
[01:03:19]  It's very similar Stephen being put to death in Christ.
[01:03:22]  But one of the key differences is Stephen does not say they don't know what they're doing because the people who killed Stephen did know what they were doing.
[01:03:31]  Whereas the people who killed Jesus, in the sense of plotting his death, They knew what they were doing, but the ones who literally carried it out, the executioners, the Romans, did not know what they were doing.
[01:03:41]  In the case of who killed Charlie Kirk, he absolutely knew what he was doing.
[01:03:45]  He knew that he was shooting a man who he disagreed with politically and culturally and religiously, but a man who had not committed any crimes, was an upstanding citizen, and he absolutely knew that what he was doing was cold blooded murder.
[01:03:59]  Allegedly, he literally inscribed on the bullet casings, Catch this fascist.
[01:04:03]  That's right.
[01:04:03]  Catch what?
[01:04:04]  The bullet.
[01:04:04]  The bullet.
[01:04:05]  So he knew exactly what he was doing.
[01:04:07]  And for Erica, despite him knowing what he was doing, which makes it all the more heinous, and it is that heinous because he did know what he was doing, for Erica to say, And yet, I still choose to forgive him.
[01:04:18]  Wonderful.
[01:04:19]  Yeah.
[01:04:19]  But I don't want millions of Christians in America to think everyone should always respond by saying, you know what?
[01:04:28]  The people who are trying to trans my kids, the person on the bus who, if I gave him the opportunity, would love to rape my wife, the guy who slits Irena's throat and says, I got that white girl, they just don't know what they're doing.
[01:04:44]  How crazy.
[01:04:44]  And if you think I'm being ridiculous, just last thing I'll say.
[01:04:48]  It's like, why, dude, it seems petty.
[01:04:50]  You're nitpicking.
[01:04:51]  Why do this?
[01:04:53]  Because, as far as I've most recently heard, the rhetoric of they know not what they do is being applied right now in the case of Irena's murderer.
[01:05:05]  He's not really competent to stand trial here.
[01:05:07]  He has mental health issues.
[01:05:08]  He has mental health issues.
[01:05:09]  He didn't really know what he was doing.
[01:05:11]  He knew what he was doing.
[01:05:13]  Execute him publicly, nationally, put it on television.
[01:05:17]  Everyone needs to see it.
[01:05:19]  Absolutely, he knew what he was doing.
[01:05:21]  I don't care what his IQ is.
[01:05:23]  He knew what he was doing.
[01:05:26]  And so, yes, it's not petty.
[01:05:28]  It does actually need to be addressed.
[01:05:30]  It's theology applied, guys.
[01:05:31]  All the way full circle to the beginning of this ministry.
[01:05:34]  Theology applied.
[01:05:35]  Somebody says something publicly to millions of people.
[01:05:39]  And again, Erica Kirk said something wonderful to millions of people.
[01:05:43]  90% of what she said, wonderful.
[01:05:46]  But the one thing that I'm taking the time to pick on for just a moment.
[01:05:51]  To isolate that thing, if we're not careful, that was said for millions of people to hear.
[01:05:58]  And if that gets applied, if that theology gets applied, that is the kind of theology that is not truly Christian, but is simply a weak, limp wristed liberalism, secularism in a Christian skin suit.
[01:06:12]  And if that gets applied by millions, that will continue to weaken the West.
[01:06:16]  So right now, you can look and say, well, it seems like Christianity is weakening the West.
[01:06:20]  No, it's the abandonment.
[01:06:22]  Of true historical biblical Christianity and the embracing of something that calls itself Christianity but is not.
[01:06:30]  It's not.
[01:06:31]  It is not.
[01:06:32]  Suicide is not Christianity.
[01:06:35]  Limp wristedness is not Christianity.
[01:06:37]  Come and destroy our wives and daughters and sons is not Christianity.
[01:06:42]  Judeo Christianity, our sons will go and die for Israel, is not Christianity.
[01:06:47]  This is not Christianity.
[01:06:48]  Christianity is not what's killing the West.
[01:06:50]  Christianity built the West.
[01:06:52]  What's killing the West is the abandonment.
[01:06:54]  Of true Christianity.
[01:06:55]  And the only reason why it seems fuzzy and complicated is because even though we've abandoned true Christianity, the bad actors today are still calling what replaced Christianity, which is absolutely not Christian, they're still calling it Christianity.
[01:07:10]  And that's what we're pinpointing here and saying, nope, that's not Christian.
[01:07:13]  You have a few quotes from historic Christianity that articulates this point.
[01:07:19]  This is a good one.
[01:07:19]  This is from Thomas Aquinas.
[01:07:21]  It's a section in his Summa, whether we ought to pray for our enemies.
[01:07:24]  So he's going through, he's answering questions and objections.
[01:07:27]  And this is from, again, whether we ought to pray for our enemies.
[01:07:29]  He says this it is lawful, remember, this is like the 12th, 13th century it is lawful to attack one's enemies that they may be restrained from sin, and this is for their own good and for the good of others.
[01:07:39]  Consequently, it is even lawful in praying to ask that temporal evils be inflicted on our enemies in order that they may mend their ways.
[01:07:48]  And so the real Christianity.
[01:07:50]  Is this Thomism?
[01:07:52]  Is this.
[01:07:52]  Did I do a Thomism?
[01:07:53]  Is this sacralism?
[01:07:54]  Is this Aristotle?
[01:07:55]  I heard he read him.
[01:07:57]  No.
[01:07:59]  Chat, are we back?
[01:08:00]  I think we are.
[01:08:02]  12th, 13th century, do they recognize this?
[01:08:05]  I mean, John Calvin, a heretic, came to town.
[01:08:08]  They locked him up.
[01:08:09]  They told Servetus, don't come to church.
[01:08:11]  Don't do it.
[01:08:12]  Michael showed up anyway.
[01:08:13]  The town comes to Calvin.
[01:08:14]  What should we do?
[01:08:15]  He's like, I would put him to death.
[01:08:17]  Christianity has always recognized that there are individuals, whether it be Goliath, whether it be Servetus, whether it be Muslim invaders, and they are our enemies.
[01:08:25]  And as Aquinas is saying here, you can pray that the Muslim camp is washed away by a flood.
[01:08:31]  You can pray that heretics, heresy is suppressed by the church and they feel no ability to go out in public.
[01:08:38]  None of this was controversial and none of it for 1500 years was challenged.
[01:08:42]  So, if you're looking at the tail of the tape, you just have to say, Yeah, I got to be honest with you.
[01:08:46]  Sure, yep, you're right.
[01:08:48]  Right now, not so great.
[01:08:49]  But we did do it for 1500 years.
[01:08:52]  And if that's what you hearken back to, like we're historic Protestants, we hearken back to the Protestants who had many enemies from Luther, from Calvin to the Puritans, our forefathers, the people we quote, they're not modern liberals like the ones that are Christianity needs to lay down, Christianity needs to take it.
[01:09:08]  I mean, you have Protestants today saying, Hey, I have no duty to maintain my ethnicity, to maintain America.
[01:09:14]  If it dies, so be it.
[01:09:15]  We're not quoting those guys.
[01:09:16]  We're not using that as, like, see, there it is.
[01:09:18]  You're Christian.
[01:09:19]  You have to lay down and take it.
[01:09:20]  No, there's a whole historical tradition.
[01:09:22]  There's a tradition in theology of place, of home, of country.
[01:09:26]  That's some other things that Aquinas wrote about natural affections.
[01:09:28]  Natural affections, the love for people that are like you.
[01:09:31]  So it's not Christianity that's the problem.
[01:09:33]  The love you trace back.
[01:09:34]  Love for kin?
[01:09:35]  Love for kin?
[01:09:36]  Christian.
[01:09:38]  Whoa.
[01:09:38]  Jesus, others.
[01:09:40]  And we would also say, though, too, this is what we can end the segment with forgiveness is a beautiful thing.
[01:09:45]  Think about if your child accidentally does something that wrongs you, they break something that's expensive.
[01:09:50]  Your four year old can't pay that back, at least not for a long time.
[01:09:53]  Your spouse could do something terrible about something terrible to you.
[01:09:57]  Forgiveness is the thing that makes life not this cold, brutal world to live in.
[01:10:04]  It is hard to forgive, especially someone who wrongs you as much as the shooter harmed Erica Kirk by taking her husband, by taking the father of her children.
[01:10:14]  But without forgiveness, it's not actually like, man, if only we could get over this Christianity and this forgiveness sin thing, we could be back to a strong, vital, robust.
[01:10:25]  It's culture and society.
[01:10:26]  No, you would actually get, there were times in ancient Greece, the death penalty was the only penalty that was allowed by law.
[01:10:32]  There was no gradation.
[01:10:34]  How did they build ancient Greece?
[01:10:36]  Well, how did you have all these citizens?
[01:10:37]  They were brilliant and it ran well and there's no crime.
[01:10:40]  You killed them by the thousands.
[01:10:43]  Yep.
[01:10:43]  Greece was phenomenal because it was built on a pile of bones.
[01:10:47]  Right.
[01:10:48]  Zero tolerance.
[01:10:48]  So if you want that world, well, you're welcome to go to that world.
[01:10:51]  And actually, that looks a lot more like Africa still today.
[01:10:54]  That's right.
[01:10:54]  A world of brutality, a world where the strongest one wins.
[01:10:58]  But the Christian ethic.
[01:10:59]  Again, not taking over wholesale.
[01:11:00]  So we don't take the Sermon on the Mount and say, this is Jesus' prescription for the state and for the government.
[01:11:05]  Nope.
[01:11:06]  The Sermon on the Mount of forgiveness is blessed are the meek.
[01:11:08]  Blessed are the meek.
[01:11:09]  We see private, personal, individual Christians.
[01:11:11]  Exactly.
[01:11:12]  In their personal, private relations.
[01:11:14]  Well, then what part of Christianity do we apply to the state?
[01:11:17]  I don't know.
[01:11:17]  The parts that talk about the state, like Romans 13.
[01:11:20]  That says he has a sword, bears the sword.
[01:11:22]  He is God's deacon, God's magistrate.
[01:11:24]  He is God's avenger.
[01:11:26]  It literally says avenger, not God's Mr. Rogers, not God's sugar and spice, everything nice.
[01:11:31]  God's avenger.
[01:11:32]  To carry out justice with what?
[01:11:35]  With a feather duster?
[01:11:36]  With a bouquet of flowers?
[01:11:38]  No, with a sword.
[01:11:39]  Think about in the Old Testament, Phineas, lauded by the Lord.
[01:11:43]  He used a spear to put to death people that were fornicating in the temple area.
[01:11:49]  Lauded by God.
[01:11:50]  Yeah, that was an appropriate use in that time to stop the evil that was going on.
[01:11:54]  So, nothing about Christianity and nothing about the New Testament, especially, is weak, but there is personal piety.
[01:12:00]  And I'm telling you, and we stand by it because we stand by the Bible, it makes life better.
[01:12:04]  Amen.
[01:12:04]  That the peace and the forgiveness that Christianity does espouse.
[01:12:08]  On a personal level, not the civil level, not the magistrate level, but on the civil level, is the way to actually achieve, on a personal level, a society people want to live in.
[01:12:18]  In fact, marriage people want to be in.
[01:12:20]  Children that love their parents, forgiveness, love that covers a multitude of sins, mercy and meekness.
[01:12:26]  But none of those get taken, applied at the highest level, and get used to destroy your nation.
[01:12:32]  Christianity doesn't do that.
[01:12:33]  Very well said.
[01:12:34]  In fact, I fully believe that you could go so far as to say that Christianity is, in all of human history, the only worldview.
[01:12:41]  The only ideology, the only religion that has been able to achieve or maintain societal and civil strength without an ounce of compromise and still at the same time not embrace brutality.
[01:12:57]  There have been other societies and cultures throughout human history that have had strength, but they have been brutal.
[01:13:05]  Christianity is actually the only time that we've seen both a cohesive social, national strength.
[01:13:13]  But also a place that is benevolent towards women and children, and a place where people want to live that's not brutal.
[01:13:24]  So, we've had throughout all of human history nice places that last for 15 minutes.
[01:13:30]  They're weak and they're overrun.
[01:13:31]  We've had strong places, but they're brutal and they're built on a pile of bones.
[01:13:37]  And then we've had Christian places.
[01:13:39]  We've had Christendom.
[01:13:40]  Christendom is the only worldview that's been able to accomplish simultaneously both strength and And vitality and also benevolence and kindness.
[01:13:51]  We need to go back.
[01:13:51]  We must return.
[01:13:53]  Survey all of human history.
[01:13:54]  The kids say.
[01:13:55]  Ask even the European pagan.
[01:13:56]  He thinks Christianity is weak, but just, all right, you can live under Alexander's reign.
[01:14:01]  You can live in Rome and you can live in America.
[01:14:03]  If you're going to be a random person, what society would you want to be in?
[01:14:07]  They would want to be in probably towards the 19th century, Europe or American Christian lands.
[01:14:14]  Rome was a brutal place to live.
[01:14:16]  Ancient Greece was a brutal place to live.
[01:14:17]  Random chance.
[01:14:18]  You're a slave and you're treated terribly.
[01:14:20]  You're going in the Coliseum for entertainment on Thursday night.
[01:14:23]  Even they would have to say, Yeah, I'm a pagan.
[01:14:25]  Yeah, I hate Christ.
[01:14:27]  But all else being equal, I've got to be placed somewhere.
[01:14:29]  I've got to live my life.
[01:14:31]  Yeah, that's actually going to be the.
[01:14:32]  I mean, America was 99% Christian at the turn of the century in 1900.
[01:14:36]  Wow.
[01:14:37]  97, 99%.
[01:14:38]  Wow.
[01:14:38]  And they would say, Yeah, that's the place I want to live.
[01:14:42]  I'd rather be there.
[01:14:42]  Even those who hate Christ, they would be like, Yeah, that's where I'd want to be.
[01:14:45]  Very well said, Wes.
[01:14:46]  One more thought, real quick, and then we're going to go to our last commercial break.
[01:14:48]  And then we got a bunch of super chats.
[01:14:50]  So stay tuned.
[01:14:51]  Some of the questions are bangers.
[01:14:52]  So I'm excited to get to them.
[01:14:54]  One last point, though.

=== Nurturing vs Civil Magistrate (03:13) ===

[01:14:55]  As we're trying to think in theological categories, I do think it's worth noting this is just one more reason why you cannot have women in leadership, and certainly not women in the leadership role of the civil magistrate.
[01:15:14]  Because the female spirit, ethos, sentiment of nurturing, kindness, forgiveness, mercy, When that's coupled with, when that persona, the female persona, is coupled with the civil magistrate position, then what you get is you get a judge who ends up releasing a man and gives him his 14th chance.
[01:15:45]  And then that man causes another woman to lie on the floor of a subway alone and bleed out and die.
[01:15:56]  One of the reasons why the Christian West has crumbled so quickly over the last 60 years, 60, 70, 80 years, is because of egalitarianism, which is a hallmark of liberalism.
[01:16:11]  This idea that everyone's the same, everyone is equal, and that's applied across the board to individuals.
[01:16:18]  Johnny and Jimmy are exactly the same, but also applied to the sexes.
[01:16:23]  Johnny and Jackie are exactly the same.
[01:16:25]  Well, if Johnny can be a civil magistrate, if he can be a district judge, then so can Jackie.
[01:16:29]  No, Jackie is not fit for that role.
[01:16:32]  She has not been designed by God with the characteristics, the traits that are necessary for that role.
[01:16:39]  Jackie, you know who?
[01:16:40]  You know which people, when she's making decisions for them and dealing with them, she thrives and they thrive underneath her authority?
[01:16:50]  They're called children.
[01:16:52]  It's called motherhood, right?
[01:16:54]  Jackie is perfect.
[01:16:56]  Pam Bondi is perfect for motherhood.
[01:16:59]  Perfect.
[01:17:01]  Right?
[01:17:01]  Like perfect.
[01:17:03]  You know who they're not perfect for?
[01:17:06]  Serial killers.
[01:17:08]  I mean, the man who killed Irena, they're literally calling him a career criminal.
[01:17:13]  Guys, do you know what an oxymoron that should be?
[01:17:17]  Like jumbo shrimp, intelligent Democrat.
[01:17:20]  You know, I mean, that's like, that is a joke.
[01:17:23]  It's an absolute career criminal.
[01:17:26]  No, if you're a criminal, you're done.
[01:17:28]  You should be done.
[01:17:29]  There's no chance to do it again, there's no chance to be a career criminal.
[01:17:33]  Only in an unjust society like ours.
[01:17:35]  And how did you get, how did we get here?
[01:17:37]  Well, we got here many ways, but one of those ways is that we took women who, one of their chief characteristics is nurturing, and we put them in a position, in a role that is not supposed to be nurturing, right?
[01:17:51]  The civil magistrate, Romans 13, he's not given fingers for tickling, he's given a sword for executing justice, right?
[01:18:03]  And that, I think, is one of the big problems.
[01:18:04]  Let's go to our last commercial break and we will be right back to deal with the super chats.

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[01:22:07]  Super chats.
[01:22:07]  The first one is from this.
[01:22:09]  Dude rocks.
[01:22:09]  He gave us $50.
[01:22:10]  Thank you.
[01:22:11]  We appreciate that.
[01:22:12]  He said, Have you done an episode on why the Old Testament male covenant sign is still practiced so much in America circumcision and how Christian parents should tackle a topic so peddled by the medical industry?
[01:22:26]  I have no plans to impart this onto my sons.
[01:22:30]  God bless.
[01:22:30]  Well, you don't need to impart it.
[01:22:32]  And I can get behind that and think that's wise.
[01:22:34]  And I think Wes from a biological, right?
[01:22:37]  Real quick, give them your pedigree and give them an answer.
[01:22:39]  Yeah, so I did my undergrad at Columbia in biology, and then I have a master's degree as well.
[01:22:43]  So, I've done a good amount of time on the medical side of things.
[01:22:47]  The big thing, the distinction I would make, because there would be those that would argue for it for different reasons, but we have to understand actually what's done today, and I'll try to be very high level, but what's done today is actually very fundamentally different than from what Abraham did.
[01:22:59]  When that one you're taking, just I'll just say this way, a lot less.
[01:23:02]  What's done today is actually wholesale, about 80% more circumcision that you're actually doing.
[01:23:07]  So even what we're doing today is not hearkening back to what was done in that time.
[01:23:11]  What was done in that time, it was a much smaller procedure.
[01:23:14]  So I think there's a lot of reasons today that it would be unnecessary, and those that would argue, well, you should do it like this because of these old times.
[01:23:21]  I don't even think that really necessarily, you're not doing what they did then.
[01:23:23]  That was a much more minor procedure, much more symbolic in nature than I would say the supposed medical benefits.
[01:23:29]  All right.
[01:23:31]  Then we got a $5 super chat from Trevor Lewis.
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[01:23:45]  That's generous.
[01:23:46]  He said, I hope and pray that Tyler Robinson, that is Charlie Kirk's murderer, Comes to faith in Christ as his Lord and Savior.
[01:23:54]  So do we.
[01:23:55]  And I hope Tyler Robinson proclaims this marvelous truth from the gallows before he is justly executed for the murder of Charlie Kirk.
[01:24:03]  So true, King.
[01:24:04]  Amen.
[01:24:05]  So do we.
[01:24:06]  The thief on the cross or the criminal on the cross, Jesus forgave him and he didn't get him off the cross.
[01:24:10]  He could have.
[01:24:11]  So he didn't go there and say, Oh, all right, you've repented of sin.
[01:24:14]  You're forgiven.
[01:24:15]  Why don't you get on down here, King?
[01:24:16]  Go out and see the fam.
[01:24:17]  Nope.
[01:24:18]  Nope.
[01:24:18]  He said, I'll see you in paradise after you also die with me.
[01:24:21]  Yep.
[01:24:21]  So you're still a criminal.
[01:24:22]  You're still going to die, but you are forgiven and you will live forevermore.
[01:24:25]  Amen.
[01:24:26]  Categories.
[01:24:26]  Again, it's so helpful, guys.
[01:24:27]  You got to be able to do it.
[01:24:28]  Think in categories.
[01:24:29]  The church, right?
[01:24:31]  Things eternal, right?
[01:24:32]  Word, sacrament, forgiveness of sins, brother in Christ.
[01:24:35]  Over here, civil, temporal, justice, capital crime, capital punishment.
[01:24:41]  These two things are not at odds.
[01:24:42]  Next one is from Trevor Luce.
[01:24:46]  Again, another $5.
[01:24:47]  This time we've got a comment.
[01:24:48]  He said, Love the show.
[01:24:49]  But Charlie did start to do some noticing the last couple of months from some of the vids that I have seen shared on X. That's true.
[01:24:57]  I have seen those vids.
[01:24:59]  As well.
[01:24:59]  He pushed back on Ben Shapiro's about a week before he passed.
[01:25:03]  And he was given some pushback for how Gaza was being handled.
[01:25:06]  Yep.
[01:25:06]  So that's kind of what I think.
[01:25:08]  I think that's what I said, though, to be fair.
[01:25:09]  So I agree with you, Trevor.
[01:25:12]  Perfectly fair comment.
[01:25:13]  And I agree with you.
[01:25:14]  But just to go back to reiterate what I said earlier, I said that absolutely Kirk was starting to sour on the Israeli government, its handling of Gaza, the war, and Netanyahu, the prime minister in particular.
[01:25:30]  So I said that.
[01:25:32]  I agree with that.
[01:25:33]  The only other thing that I said was simply that, yes, he was starting to sour on Israel in that regard, which puts him in the category of every single person on the planet, pretty much.
[01:25:45]  Just about.
[01:25:46]  Just about, except for maybe Netanyahu.
[01:25:47]  I mean, Netanyahu and the IDF, basically.
[01:25:49]  Yeah.
[01:25:50]  Britain just recognized Palestine.
[01:25:52]  Yeah.
[01:25:52]  Calls for a two state solution this morning, I believe.
[01:25:54]  I saw it.
[01:25:54]  Yep.
[01:25:56]  So my point is not that Charlie Kirk wasn't beginning to notice in that kind of shallow sense.
[01:26:04]  But that's honestly, guys, let's just be honest.
[01:26:07]  That's what people do.
[01:26:09]  They'll say, it's Netanyahu, but not the Jews.
[01:26:14]  It's Israel's government, but not the Jews.
[01:26:18]  It's Israel as a nation, but not the Jews.
[01:26:23]  No, at a certain level, I'll get in trouble for this, but it needs to be said.
[01:26:29]  At a certain level, in terms of generalities, right?
[01:26:32]  This whole episode has been about thinking in categories.
[01:26:34]  So here's another thing in terms of language, lingo, we have to understand speaking in generalities.
[01:26:39]  Right.
[01:26:39]  So do not respond to this like a woman.
[01:26:42]  Right.
[01:26:43]  So, right.
[01:26:44]  I mean, this is the meme, right?
[01:26:45]  Where people say, well, the average woman is five foot four inches.
[01:26:48]  And the woman says, well, I'm five foot six inches.
[01:26:51]  My cousin is actually five ten.
[01:26:53]  Yeah.
[01:26:53]  The average woman.
[01:26:55]  Yes, of course, there are exceptions.
[01:26:57]  Some are shorter, some are taller.
[01:26:58]  We're talking about per capita.
[01:26:59]  We're talking about generalities.
[01:27:01]  So this is not universal, meaning each and every single individual within the group that's being identified, but in general.
[01:27:08]  So when Paul says of Cretans, right, he quotes one of their own prophets, but he agrees and gives his assent to him and says, yep, he nailed it.
[01:27:15]  He's right.
[01:27:16]  All Cretans are liars, gluttons, and lazy beasts.
[01:27:21]  And the word all is there.
[01:27:22]  So Paul thinks each and every single individual.
[01:27:25]  Well, he also is saying this to Titus, a son in the faith, who he left to plant a church in Crete among Cretans.
[01:27:33]  And the first chapter of the book of Titus, he gives him qualifications to look for elders, men of upstanding character.
[01:27:40]  Meaning that Paul assumed that in Crete, where all men are liars and gluttons and lazy beasts, there would still be some men.
[01:27:49]  Who would be able, by the grace of God, to fill the qualifications of being an upstanding Christian, virtuous man and be fit for the role of being an elder in the church?
[01:28:00]  And he's telling Titus this.
[01:28:01]  So, in a general sense, all Cretans are this way.
[01:28:05]  In a particular sense, there are some exceptions.
[01:28:09]  Okay?
[01:28:09]  The scripture, an apostle of Jesus Christ in Holy Writ, inspired by the Holy Spirit, was allowed to speak like this.
[01:28:17]  We're allowed to speak like this.
[01:28:18]  We shouldn't do it carelessly, we shouldn't do it foolishly.
[01:28:22]  But this is a true theological biblical category in form of language that is true and generally true and therefore helpful.
[01:28:30]  And we should be able to say it.
[01:28:31]  So we can say with the Apostle Paul that at that time, all Cretans, in a general sense, there would be exceptions and those guys would be elders.
[01:28:39]  But in a general sense, Cretans were liars, gluttons, and lazy beasts.
[01:28:43]  I can say of those of European descent that they're gullible, that they're suicidal, and that they're cowardly.
[01:28:50]  And I can also say of Jewish people, in a general collective sense, not each and every individual.
[01:28:56]  That I think there is a vulnerability and susceptibility to the sin of greed.
[01:29:01]  I think that there is a propensity towards subversion.
[01:29:05]  And I think that we can be aware of these things.
[01:29:07]  Charlie Kirk was not noticing like that, not even close.
[01:29:12]  And I'm not dogging on Charlie.
[01:29:13]  If anything, for 99% of the people who listen to this, I'm vindicating him.
[01:29:18]  They'll be like, Well, praise God, Charlie wasn't an anti Semite like Joel Webb.
[01:29:21]  Okay, so I'm not trying to give Charlie a hard time.
[01:29:24]  I'm just trying to be honest.
[01:29:26]  Because I don't appreciate, some people are not being honest right now.
[01:29:28]  Some people are trying to take Charlie Kirk.
[01:29:31]  And say, he was one of us.
[01:29:33]  Right?
[01:29:33]  He was Catholic.
[01:29:34]  He was Catholic because he texted me one time.
[01:29:37]  Nope.
[01:29:38]  Charlie Kirk was a Protestant.
[01:29:40]  Yeah.
[01:29:40]  Don't lie about a man who just died.
[01:29:44]  No, he was not Catholic and he was not becoming Catholic.
[01:29:47]  No, he wasn't.
[01:29:48]  That doesn't mean that Catholics are terrible, but let's just stick to the facts.
[01:29:52]  The facts are Charlie Kirk was a Protestant evangelical Christian who loved Israel, which makes him even more Protestant, to be honest.
[01:29:59]  It does these days, sadly, sadly.
[01:30:01]  So he was a Protestant evangelical Christian.
[01:30:04]  And he was a friend of Israel.
[01:30:06]  And he started noticing, but you have to understand there are categories of noticing.
[01:30:11]  He started noticing what any public figure in 2025, September 2025, must notice if they're not going to be booed and laughed off the public stage.
[01:30:21]  Right.
[01:30:22]  You have to know where we are at this point, guys.
[01:30:24]  At this point, anyone who's saying, well, the decisions that Netanyahu are making are great and I support them 100%.
[01:30:35]  Glass gossip, you know, starve them even more.
[01:30:38]  Anyone saying that is within danger of losing their job.
[01:30:44]  So, of course, Charlie was becoming wise, like every public figure in America, in the whole world for that matter.
[01:30:50]  Even certain Jewish citizens in Israel are wising up to that and saying, Yeah, we have some critiques for the Israeli government.
[01:30:59]  We have some critiques for Netanyahu.
[01:31:01]  So, yes, Charlie was noticing at that level.
[01:31:04]  He was not noticing, though, what I said.
[01:31:06]  And what I said, I gave all the biblical disclaimers because people will take me out of context.
[01:31:11]  I gave the biblical disclaimers.
[01:31:12]  It is a biblical category to speak in generalities.
[01:31:16]  Doesn't mean universal, each and every individual, but in a general sense, you can say, this group of people are characteristic of X, Y, and Z, positive and also negative.
[01:31:28]  And you can say that of Cretans and you can say that of Americans, right?
[01:31:32]  All the time.
[01:31:33]  I hear people say, Americans are fat.
[01:31:35]  And I say, true.
[01:31:37]  It's true.
[01:31:37]  You know what Wes doesn't say?
[01:31:39]  Wes doesn't say, well, I'm not fat, I'm in great shape.
[01:31:43]  No, because Wes has an IQ above 85.
[01:31:46]  The floor is high, but I am above it.
[01:31:47]  Wes could even articulate right here, live on air, he could articulate how he would feel if he didn't eat breakfast.
[01:31:54]  It's amazing.
[01:31:54]  But I did eat breakfast today.
[01:31:57]  It's amazing.
[01:31:57]  This isn't that hard, guys.
[01:31:58]  It's not that hard.
[01:31:59]  So Wes could say, yep, Americans are fat.
[01:32:01]  That's true.
[01:32:02]  As an American who is individually not fat, not that hard.
[01:32:05]  Not that fat.
[01:32:06]  A little fat, maybe.
[01:32:07]  Not that fat.
[01:32:09]  Right?
[01:32:10]  We can do this.
[01:32:10]  So, Creighton's, well, some aren't like that, and they're going to be elders.
[01:32:15]  They're godly men.
[01:32:16]  But on the whole, Cretans have these positive traits, and according to the scripture, in reference to that particular point, these negative traits.
[01:32:25]  We can do the same thing with Americans.
[01:32:27]  We can do the same thing with Westerners.
[01:32:28]  We can do the same thing with white people of European descent.
[01:32:32]  We can do the same thing with black people, and we can do the same thing with Jewish people.
[01:32:35]  That is a perfectly legitimate biblical category.
[01:32:38]  And I do think it behooves us here in the West, in America particularly, that Israel has a stranglehold around our neck and in our government.
[01:32:47]  Currently, as I speak, I do think it behooves us to recognize that it's not just one guy in Israel that's the problem.
[01:32:55]  Right.
[01:32:55]  It's not just Netanyahu.
[01:32:57]  And it's not just the Israeli government.
[01:32:59]  And it's not just right now with this particular geopolitical scene.
[01:33:04]  No, I do believe that it is fair to say, biblical to say, and necessary to say that in the spirit of generalities, there are exceptions, but in generalities, that Jewish people for centuries have been.
[01:33:23]  Able to be accurately described in a general sense as X, Y, Z.
[01:33:28]  I already gave a few of those X, Ys, and Zs a moment ago.
[01:33:30]  You can go back and listen.
[01:33:32]  And I think that that's important for us to be aware of, especially when it comes to who we are appointing in positions of leadership here in not Israel, but America.
[01:33:44]  Okay.
[01:33:44]  And Charlie Kirk, God bless his soul, was not noticing like that.
[01:33:48]  And so, therefore, no, I do not think that Mossad killed him.
[01:33:52]  I think that that is, I want to be a noticer.
[01:33:56]  Because noticing saves lives, children, kids, noticing saves lives.
[01:34:01]  Reading FBI statistics and knowing which places not to be at certain times of day can save your life.
[01:34:09]  It can.
[01:34:10]  So I am a noticer, but I refuse to be a low IQ autistic noticer.
[01:34:16]  I'm not going to do that.
[01:34:17]  Okay.
[01:34:18]  Next super chat.
[01:34:19]  Titus Weller, $20 from Titus.
[01:34:21]  Thank you, Titus.
[01:34:22]  Trump is an imperfect magistrate who I think God raised and uses regardless.
[01:34:26]  Amen.
[01:34:27]  Thank you for pressing the kingdom of Christ forward by awakening the sense.
[01:34:30]  Thank you, Titus.
[01:34:31]  Yep.
[01:34:31]  Trump was always going to be kind of the stopgap.
[01:34:34]  He's the holdover for whatever we get next.
[01:34:36]  That's right.
[01:34:37]  Kind of the whole mission.
[01:34:37]  He's a precursor.
[01:34:38]  That's it.
[01:34:39]  Yep.
[01:34:40]  $5 from Truddle.
[01:34:41]  Kimmel reportedly getting unfired.
[01:34:43]  Time to chimp once more.
[01:34:45]  Aaron McIntyre has the contact deets on his timeline.
[01:34:48]  Good job on this episode, fellas.
[01:34:50]  Thanks so much, Truddle.
[01:34:51]  Longtime supporter.
[01:34:51]  Great guy.
[01:34:52]  Great guy.
[01:34:53]  And he's right.
[01:34:53]  Kimmel is back on the air.
[01:34:55]  It is so over.
[01:34:56]  We're over.
[01:34:57]  It's time to black pill.
[01:34:58]  He's been uncanceled, I think.
[01:35:00]  What was it?
[01:35:00]  Maybe like four or five days.
[01:35:01]  So you have your marching orders, Patriots.
[01:35:04]  You get those phones, you work them.
[01:35:06]  We chimp at dawn.
[01:35:07]  That's right.
[01:35:08]  Earl Starbuck, $5.
[01:35:09]  Thank you, Earl.
[01:35:10]  Second one, I think, today.
[01:35:11]  He said Clarence Darrow of Scopes trial opposed death penalty because he believed in transformative justice.
[01:35:16]  Justice is not transformative, it is retributive.
[01:35:20]  That's good.
[01:35:21]  That's good.
[01:35:21]  Read that one more time.
[01:35:22]  This is Earl Starbuck.
[01:35:24]  Very well said.
[01:35:25]  Clarence Darrow of Scopes trial opposed the death penalty because he believed in transformative justice.
[01:35:32]  Justice is not transformative, it's retributive.
[01:35:36]  Amen.
[01:35:36]  That's what justice is.
[01:35:38]  Justice is not supposed to be transformative.
[01:35:40]  The gospel is transformative.
[01:35:41]  And the gospel can transform a criminal's soul and his life, justifying him and beginning its sanctifying work, the spirit's sanctifying work, on this man who is now a new creation, new creature in Christ Jesus.
[01:35:53]  And it can do so on his walk down the green mile to the electric chair.
[01:36:00]  But no, that's not the purpose of justice.
[01:36:02]  The gospel, in its function, in its purpose, in its effectualness, the gospel transforms.
[01:36:10]  Justice is retributive.
[01:36:11]  Not transformative, very well said, like a word with a hyphen typically before a word.
[01:36:16]  What you're typically doing is destroying it, right?
[01:36:18]  So, uh, climate justice, social justice, economics, Judeo Christianity, Judeo Christian.
[01:36:23]  Yeah, wait a second, you just took the word, and by what you added to it, you actually destroyed the meaning of it.
[01:36:27]  Because if it meant that, you wouldn't need the word in front of it, absolutely right.
[01:36:31]  Real quick, JD Peabody, I think we skipped him.

=== Transformative Gospel Or Justice (02:19) ===

[01:36:33]  Uh, he gave us five bucks.
[01:36:34]  He said, Theology applied, indeed, good stuff, gents.
[01:36:37]  Thank you, appreciate that.
[01:36:39]  And this is, I believe, our last one.
[01:36:40]  Is that right, Nate?
[01:36:41]  We got two.
[01:36:42]  Uh, here, I'll hit mostly peaceful merch, great brother.
[01:36:45]  Uh, $5 for Mostly Peaceful.
[01:36:46]  Thank you so much.
[01:36:47]  He said, Libertarian Theonomist, hardest hit.
[01:36:50]  This is, what is this, five years in a row taking L's longer?
[01:36:53]  Libertarians?
[01:36:54]  It's been a while.
[01:36:55]  Just their entire existence.
[01:36:56]  We took the L here.
[01:36:57]  We lost here again and again and again.
[01:36:59]  Lulbertarian.
[01:37:00]  Yep.
[01:37:02]  Hate to see it.
[01:37:02]  Yep.
[01:37:02]  Hate to see it.
[01:37:04]  Hate to see it.
[01:37:04]  Love to see it.
[01:37:04]  Okay.
[01:37:05]  Last one.
[01:37:06]  Alan Maxwell.
[01:37:07]  He gave us $10.
[01:37:08]  Thanks, Alan.
[01:37:08]  We appreciate it.
[01:37:09]  He said, I vehemently disagree with your position, right?
[01:37:13]  So this is one of the ways that you get money for ministry.
[01:37:17]  Is you upset people to where they vehemently disagree with ten dollars?
[01:37:21]  God bless you.
[01:37:21]  Uh, he said, Furthermore, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ.
[01:37:25]  Don't confuse the principle of forgiveness and justice through the law of God centered government.
[01:37:32]  I've been looking at that sentence for about five minutes.
[01:37:35]  Well, I think the best I'm trying to be like honest and in the spirit of Charlie, who would respectfully, uh, you know, carry out dialogue and discourse with his opponents.
[01:37:45]  I want to honor Charlie in this regard and uh, seek to do my best, however.
[01:37:50]  Go back to it one more time.
[01:37:51]  Let me read it one more time.
[01:37:54]  Don't confuse the principle of forgiveness and justice through the law of God centered government.
[01:38:01]  Now, if this was a sensical statement, then in the spirit of Charlie Kirk and honoring his legacy, even though he vehemently disagrees and is rebuking me in the name of Jesus, I would give a charitable response.
[01:38:15]  But because this statement makes zero sense, I have to respond with the quote from Billy Madison.
[01:38:22]  Zero points will be awarded to you.
[01:38:25]  And no point during this statement did anything make any remote sense whatsoever.
[01:38:30]  Zero points will be awarded and may God have mercy on your soul.
[01:38:33]  That's the episode for today.
[01:38:34]  Hope you guys have been blessed, and we will see you, Lord willing, on Wednesday at 3 p.m.
[01:38:39]  You know your marching orders.
[01:38:41]  Love your wife, love your children, love the Lord Jesus Christ, wash your wife in the Word, catechize your kids, and in your spare time, get on Twitter, chimp out, and make sure that Jimmy Kimmel gets fired for a second time.
[01:38:51]  God bless.
[01:38:52]  We'll see you soon.