NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - America First, The ADL, & Live Q&A
Aired: 2025-08-15
Duration: 01:40:23


=== Why We Leave America (15:25) ===

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[00:00:31]  So, the ADL just came out with their newest statement that the phrase America first is a terrible, terrible, racist, xenophobic, anti Semitic phrase that no one should ever use.
[00:00:44]  And we're going to talk about that briefly.
[00:00:46]  But part of what we're going to be doing in this Friday episode is taking questions from the viewer.
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[00:01:18]  So, first segment, we'll deal with the ADL saying that America First is a terrible, terrible thing.
[00:01:23]  And then our second and third segment, we will be dealing with questions from you, the audience.
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[00:01:41]  Happy Friday.
[00:01:42]  Happy Friday.
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[00:01:49]  You can hear some of the thunder in the background.
[00:01:51]  You might hear it from time to time.
[00:01:52]  It's starting to rain.
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[00:01:54]  I like thunderstorms.
[00:01:55]  Don't like it necessarily when it floods our entire town.
[00:01:59]  Right.
[00:01:59]  That's not preferable.
[00:02:01]  Driving and apartment complexes are just getting taken out.
[00:02:03]  Well, that's kind of part of Texas.
[00:02:04]  I mean, Texas has like two modes, right?
[00:02:06]  It's like drought, flood, drought, flood.
[00:02:10]  But hopefully we could actually just have rain.
[00:02:12]  That would be nice.
[00:02:13]  So, why don't you lead off, Wes, and read for us this statement from the ADL?
[00:02:18]  Yeah, so the ADL, just to give a little bit of broader context, the Anti Defamation League.
[00:02:22]  This is a big kind of watchdog group.
[00:02:23]  I think of the Southern Poverty Law Center, founded decades ago, and they're this kind of synonymous name in America's media landscape that they're the watchdog, right?
[00:02:33]  If it's a term, if it's an idea, if it's a catcall, if it's a dog whistle, if it's something relating to something extreme, something crazy, the ADL goes in and says, hey, Watch out for this word.
[00:02:43]  And so this term finally got added to the list.
[00:02:46]  And let me read its definition now America First.
[00:02:50]  America First is a term that references the World War II era America First Committee and is used by extremists in anti Semitic, racist, and xenophobic ways.
[00:03:00]  America First in conservative circles often refers to an ideology that was promoted by Donald Trump when he ran for office and served in office, which emphasizes American nationalism, non intervention, and anti immigrant and anti globalist beliefs.
[00:03:14]  So true, King.
[00:03:15]  Yep.
[00:03:17]  Yeah, pretty crazy.
[00:03:18]  So they're saying America first is anti Semitic.
[00:03:21]  And what they mean by that is by prioritizing America, then you can't be prioritizing our greatest ally.
[00:03:29]  Right.
[00:03:29]  And that means that you're anti Semitic.
[00:03:32]  I mean, that's literally what they're getting at anybody who would raise questions and say, I don't think it's in our best interest to be partnered with Israel in the way that we are.
[00:03:41]  I don't think we should have bombed Iran.
[00:03:42]  I don't think that we should be doing this.
[00:03:44]  I don't think we should be giving them trillions of dollars over the decades.
[00:03:47]  I don't think that we should have.
[00:03:50]  This kind of stranglehold, Jewish stranglehold of our government here in America, anti Semitic, right?
[00:03:59]  They say racist.
[00:04:00]  So it's anti Semitic, America first.
[00:04:01]  It's also racist.
[00:04:03]  What they mean by that is simply recognizing that diversity is not our greatest strength, recognizing that multiculturalism has been a plague on the West.
[00:04:13]  Most people who would be labeled as racist today, including ourselves, it's a word that That doesn't mean anything anymore.
[00:04:22]  People would use it to describe anyone who believes simply that people are different.
[00:04:29]  That people are different.
[00:04:30]  Yeah, I think Haitians are different than a Frenchman, or a Spaniard, or a Scotsman.
[00:04:41]  Yeah, peoples are different, and that's undeniable.
[00:04:45]  The idea that there are different people who live in the world.
[00:04:50]  And that we should recognize distinctions between them.
[00:04:54]  And the idea that everyone should live here is probably not a good idea.
[00:04:59]  I think that the verdict has come back in over the last 50, 60 years with the Hart Cellar Act, and America has changed, and a lot of it has not been for the better.
[00:05:09]  A big reason for that is the spiritual reason of even heritage Americans turning their back on the Lord Jesus Christ.
[00:05:15]  So there's a lot of things to account for that.
[00:05:18]  There's taking prayer out of schools.
[00:05:22]  There's.
[00:05:23]  Abortion.
[00:05:24]  There's all these different things.
[00:05:26]  You can tie it back to the 19th Amendment.
[00:05:28]  You can tie it to even Ronald Reagan, as many things that he did that were good, certain amnesty laws, and then also, of course, no fault divorce.
[00:05:37]  So, there's a lot of things that we can tie to the downgrade of America.
[00:05:44]  But part of it also is importing the entire world here.
[00:05:48]  That has not been good for us.
[00:05:50]  But that would be described by the ADL as being racist.
[00:05:53]  So, you don't think that the relationship America has with Israel is a good thing.
[00:05:58]  You're anti Semitic.
[00:05:59]  You think that peoples are different and not all the peoples of the earth should live in one country.
[00:06:03]  You're racist, xenophobic, right?
[00:06:07]  Yeah, I actually have an in group preference.
[00:06:10]  I prefer my nation, my countrymen, my citizens, as opposed to foreigners.
[00:06:17]  I actually prefer my people rather than someone on the other side of the world that I don't even know.
[00:06:24]  They would describe that as being xenophobic.
[00:06:27]  It's the heat map, that meme that's gone around.
[00:06:30]  It's really helpful and just showing the liberal's greatest devotion is to a stranger on the other side of the planet.
[00:06:37]  Whereas the typical conservative, Even somebody who's more of a neoconservative tends to have a preference for America.
[00:06:46]  Well, that's America first.
[00:06:47]  That's xenophobic.
[00:06:48]  That's racist.
[00:06:49]  That's anti Semitic.
[00:06:50]  So that's what they're trying to say.
[00:06:52]  And they're pinning it on Donald Trump.
[00:06:54]  And to give Donald Trump credit, not negatively, but positively, this was a major part of his campaign when he first ran for office.
[00:07:03]  When you go back to 2015 and 2016, I mean, he ran on an American first platform.
[00:07:11]  That's why he had such support.
[00:07:13]  He had such a groundswell that people, and that's part of why he's, you know, his approval ratings have fallen as of late.
[00:07:21]  And it's not to say that he can't be redeemed, that he couldn't make it up.
[00:07:25]  People are fickle, things can change, and Donald Trump tends to surprise people, you know.
[00:07:30]  So he'll do one thing and then he'll come around and be like, that's right, he's our guy.
[00:07:34]  I remember that Trump, you know, he's back, America's back.
[00:07:38]  So that's all possible.
[00:07:39]  But right now, part of the reason why I think, you know, Trump is losing favor is because he's actually gravitated away from America first in a lot of ways.
[00:07:47]  You look at, like, I saw, you know, somebody posted just recently the amount of times that he said the phrase drain the swamp in his first term as compared to, you know, this second.
[00:07:59]  Something like hundreds throughout his first term.
[00:08:01]  Twice.
[00:08:01]  And to this point so far in this campaign, in this not campaign, in this presidency, twice.
[00:08:06]  Twice.
[00:08:06]  Yeah.
[00:08:07]  So, and that's, I think people are starting to feel that is Trump, we love you.
[00:08:12]  But, you know, It's like, are you draining the swamp or have you become the swamp?
[00:08:19]  Like Epstein, you know, like, I mean, that was like, that's exactly the kind of thing that Trump ran on.
[00:08:25]  You think of Hillary Clinton, he's like, you know, he's like the famous line of, like, yeah, you'd be in jail.
[00:08:30]  You know, it's like, that's what people voted for.
[00:08:32]  They voted for Trump to clean house and take all the slimy elites and bring down the hammer of the law and to prioritize America, not Israel.
[00:08:45]  But America, and to play hardball when it comes to foreign relations and those kinds of things.
[00:08:52]  And he did a lot of that in his first term.
[00:08:54]  And then you could tell he wanted to do more, but his hands were tied.
[00:08:59]  And now it's like he has, I think, more power than he had previously.
[00:09:04]  He certainly has the experience.
[00:09:06]  Yeah, he has the experience.
[00:09:08]  And with the Supreme Court, there's more things in his favor.
[00:09:12]  His hands are less tied.
[00:09:14]  And yet he seems.
[00:09:16]  It seems to have lost that luster that he originally had.
[00:09:20]  So, the ADL, they tie it to, you know, Donald Trump.
[00:09:22]  And, you know, one of my constant prayers is, God, please make Donald Trump, you know, half the man my enemies think he is.
[00:09:29]  Yeah.
[00:09:30]  But anyway, so I think it's ridiculous.
[00:09:33]  You got to recognize, too, when they add terms like this, the literal word for it, if you go in all these terms, it's called the glossary of extremism.
[00:09:39]  The use of it is it actually takes a lot of effort if you were to take literal physical force and police people.
[00:09:44]  You can't say that.
[00:09:45]  You can't say that.
[00:09:46]  Throw people in jail.
[00:09:47]  That's a very inefficient way of policing people's speech, keeping the populace in line.
[00:09:51]  But what's a lot easier is social pressure.
[00:09:53]  So, for example, another one of the terms that they've deemed as extreme and a symbol of hate is it's okay to be white.
[00:09:59]  If you remember, this was like 2017.
[00:10:02]  People were putting up flyers on college campuses, and it was just a readout that said, It's okay to be white.
[00:10:06]  It wasn't a movement.
[00:10:07]  It wasn't anything nefarious.
[00:10:08]  It was literally, Hey, if you're a white student, that's okay.
[00:10:12]  There's nothing wrong with that.
[00:10:13]  Same thing, White Lives Matter.
[00:10:14]  That was a response to Black Lives Matter.
[00:10:16]  Both of them added as hate terms.
[00:10:18]  And you can kind of see the play there is we just make these things that people wouldn't say in polite society, people wouldn't utter out loud.
[00:10:24]  And then you don't need any police force.
[00:10:26]  You don't need any laws rewritten.
[00:10:27]  You don't need any of that.
[00:10:28]  Just by societal pressure, you can get people to say, Ooh, America first.
[00:10:33]  Like, I kind of like the sentiment, but isn't that associated with?
[00:10:35]  Scary, bad things.
[00:10:37]  It gets people to self censor themselves.
[00:10:39]  You don't need to do it yourself at all.
[00:10:41]  They themselves will say, Oh, I don't know, like Black Lives Matter, it feels like we're really emphasizing one group of people, but I don't know, White Lives Matter, I've heard that's a pretty bad way of saying it too, associated with scary characters.
[00:10:53]  And they themselves will stop themselves from saying it.
[00:10:56]  And that's a perfect way to have control over people, to get them to hate themselves, actually, in many ways.
[00:11:01]  Lest we forget, this is also the ADL is responsible for trying to poison the phrase Christ is king.
[00:11:09]  Yeah, remember that you know we dealt with that at the time, so that's what they do, and they're not the only ones, they're probably a leading entity in that regard.
[00:11:19]  But you're absolutely right, we sometimes underestimate just how serious informal cultural power can actually be.
[00:11:29]  So, it's not just wielding legislation, but you can wield informal cultural power, and in many cases, accomplish more than you could with an entire police force.
[00:11:42]  And so that's what the ADL has done in several occasions, poisoning Christ is king as a phrase, poisoning now America first.
[00:11:53]  If you say America first, it's because you're a very, very, very terrible person.
[00:11:58]  And so, yeah, so it's pretty ridiculous, but this is where we are.
[00:12:03]  I'm not surprised by it.
[00:12:04]  Any other thoughts before we go to the questions?
[00:12:07]  I would just say never let the enemy frame your discussion.
[00:12:10]  The minute you step into their framework, start using their made up sins.
[00:12:13]  I think of racism, for example.
[00:12:15]  You step into the frame, you're like, Well, no, no, I'm not this.
[00:12:17]  That's getting into their framework and playing by their rules.
[00:12:21]  It doesn't work to play by the rules of the opponent that set it all up and rigged the game so that they can win.
[00:12:26]  So they say, Christ is king is this terrible phrase.
[00:12:28]  America first is a bad phrase.
[00:12:30]  And you sit there and you kind of do the calculus, like, Well, I don't know.
[00:12:33]  Maybe we say Jesus is Lord.
[00:12:35]  You're submitting to their framing of the problem.
[00:12:38]  And the minute you do that, you're already at a disadvantage, if not have already lost.
[00:12:43]  So it's Christ is king.
[00:12:44]  It's true.
[00:12:44]  Yeah, I mean, like, don't phrase that with Christ is king, you blank, blank, blank.
[00:12:48]  Right.
[00:12:48]  That's just being foolish.
[00:12:50]  But never take their framing because the second you take their framing, well, I don't know, they might have the moral high ground.
[00:12:55]  Boom, you've lost the argument.
[00:12:56]  Right.
[00:12:57]  One example, just because it's personal to me and recent, I went viral earlier this week about a clip from a past sermon from a few months ago that somebody found and was, they were insisting with their framing, a leftist framing, well, Joel is being racist.
[00:13:18]  He's saying that black people can't vote.
[00:13:21]  And there's nothing in the clip and nothing that I've ever said publicly because it's actually not my position.
[00:13:26]  I've actually had plenty of people to my right, you know, vehemently disagree with me.
[00:13:30]  You know, so to my own expense, I've held my position, which is not that black people can't vote.
[00:13:36]  I've said, you know, I think you need to be third generation American on both sides.
[00:13:40]  I think you need to be Christian.
[00:13:41]  I think you need to be married.
[00:13:42]  I think you need to be a net positive taxpayer, no criminal record, no dual citizenship, you know, these kinds of things.
[00:13:51]  And yet, this clip went viral with the framing from, you know, Ed.
[00:13:55]  Ed. Detractor, you know, who hates us and hates me and hates our ministry, saying, you know, who do you think Joel's talking about here?
[00:14:03]  And in the clip, I said, like, it's actually not, you know, I was talking about universal suffrage and egalitarianism and how it's a detriment and it's not a biblical principle.
[00:14:13]  Egalitarianism is not the way God made the world.
[00:14:18]  That's a Marxist idea.
[00:14:19]  That is not a biblical idea.
[00:14:21]  God created a world with hierarchy.
[00:14:23]  And so I was saying that universal suffrage stems from this egalitarian.
[00:14:27]  Marxist liberal worldview that is not, it's anti biblical and it's actually a detriment to any nation when that's applied, especially with voting.
[00:14:38]  So I said, universal suffrage is a plague.
[00:14:41]  I said, it's actually not a benefit for a nation to incentivize and encourage its poorest class of citizens, least educated, least intelligent, highest statistical likelihood of crime.
[00:14:59]  To come out and dictate the future direction of the country with an equal vote to somebody who is the descendant of people who came on the Mayflower and has been here for centuries and is married and raising children and paying taxes and not a criminal.
[00:15:17]  That's, I mean, that really is foolish just on its face.
[00:15:21]  So this guy, you know, detractor, he framed it and said, Who do you think Joel's talking about?

=== Merit Without Pride (15:23) ===

[00:15:25]  He's, you know, insinuating like I'm talking about black people.
[00:15:28]  And we did a response and I said, Yeah, I'm perfectly aware that if my criteria for voting was actually installed, and I pray one day that it would be, I recognize that people are different.
[00:15:43]  And because there are distinctions among people, that criteria for voting would disproportionately affect black people more than white people.
[00:15:51]  There'd be plenty of white people who wouldn't be able to vote because they're on their fourth marriage, plenty of white people who've committed crimes, plenty of white people who are on the welfare system.
[00:16:00]  But yes, it would disproportionately affect black people.
[00:16:03]  Thomas Sowell would still be able to vote.
[00:16:05]  Vodie Bacham would be able to vote.
[00:16:07]  Clarence Thomas would be able to vote.
[00:16:08]  But yes, there would be a lot more Black people who would not be able to vote.
[00:16:13]  But here's my point back to framing, because it's so important what you said, Wes.
[00:16:19]  The temptation, if this had happened to me a couple of years earlier, I know that I would have, what I'd likely would have done is I would have said, I didn't, I would have framed it like this.
[00:16:29]  I would have just clapped back and said, I didn't say a word about Black people.
[00:16:34]  All I said was, we shouldn't have a sector of our population that has the highest crime level, lowest tax paying, on welfare, not married, blah, voting.
[00:16:50]  And you are the one who assumed black people.
[00:16:54]  So who's the real racist?
[00:16:57]  And I think this is what you're talking about.
[00:16:58]  And it's important for the listener to understand that was the rhetoric of 2020 and 2021.
[00:17:04]  You think of Woke Wars 1, you know, and.
[00:17:07]  And the pushback took a while at first.
[00:17:09]  I mean, we were just, you know, everybody was just getting, everybody was defeated.
[00:17:14]  But eventually, you know, the right started to find a little bit of its courage and started to push back against Black Lives Matter and push back on all the nonsense from St. George Floyd.
[00:17:23]  But a lot of their rhetoric was still, they were fighting back, but still fighting within the leftist frame, right?
[00:17:30]  And so they would say, well, who's the real, Democrats are the real racist.
[00:17:35]  You know, Democrats are, you want to have DEI metrics because you don't think that black people will have as good of a chance to get hired for this job.
[00:17:46]  Or you want to have different metrics for Ivy League schools when it comes to SAT scores because you're the ones who think that black people won't get in.
[00:17:55]  So who's the real racist?
[00:17:57]  That is entering into a leftist framework.
[00:18:00]  And so it's like you're fighting the enemy, but you're fighting the enemy on his home base where he has all the power, where he has every advantage.
[00:18:12]  Because the reality is, you get rid of DEI, you get rid of affirmative action.
[00:18:17]  Like, let's just be honest.
[00:18:18]  The whole point of affirmative action is to take certain minority peoples, including black people, and I would argue with affirmative action, especially black people, and prioritize them over white people.
[00:18:31]  Apart from merit, because why?
[00:18:35]  Because on the basis of merit alone, disproportionately, black people will not get the job.
[00:18:42]  If it is strictly merit, then will there still be black guys who are intelligent and gifted?
[00:18:49]  Of course.
[00:18:50]  But in terms of per capita, this is a very difficult thing for people to understand because people are retarded, but in terms, especially liberals and leftists, but talking about averages, generalities, in general, per capita, if it's strictly based on merit, Strictly based on merit.
[00:19:08]  Yes, when it comes to crime, if you legislate law strictly based on merit, you have more black people in jail than white people per capita, per capita, on average.
[00:19:19]  If it's for getting hired at high level jobs, white collar jobs, you will have less black people getting that job without affirmative action.
[00:19:30]  So for people on the right, for alleged conservatives, for our rhetoric, our line of argument to be made.
[00:19:37]  Um, well, you're the real racist, you know.
[00:19:40]  You want DEI because you don't believe in black people, and you actually think that, on average, less black people get it.
[00:19:47]  Like, you're entering the leftist framework.
[00:19:49]  What we should be willing to say without batting an eye there's no sin in this, there's no malice, there's no wickedness.
[00:19:55]  This is not a biblical category, it's not a biblical category of sin.
[00:19:59]  I can sit here as a Christian pastor and say, Yes, uh, strictly on the merit of basis, without DEI standards, without affirmative action per capita, not each and every individual, but per capita.
[00:20:11]  You will have more black men in jail than white men.
[00:20:15]  And if my criteria for voting was ever a reality, you would have less black men qualified to vote than white men.
[00:20:23]  And when it comes to white collar jobs, you will have less black per capita, less black engineers than you would have, for instance, white engineers.
[00:20:34]  That is a reality, but it's still true and good and right.
[00:20:39]  It is right that we do things based off of.
[00:20:42]  Character and virtue and merit.
[00:20:45]  It's the right thing to do.
[00:20:47]  And so you don't have to enter the leftist framework and say, well, who's the real racist?
[00:20:52]  You want DEI because you don't believe in black people.
[00:20:55]  You think that black people don't have the same chance or the same likelihood of achieving this as white people.
[00:21:03]  So you're the real racist.
[00:21:04]  No, stop that.
[00:21:06]  We should be able to say, look, you can read the FBI statistics, it's just a fact.
[00:21:13]  On merit alone, without the police carving out some kind of exception or turning a blind eye, on merit alone, black men commit far more violent crime than any other race in America.
[00:21:26]  So I don't have to sit here and say Democrats are the real races because they want to make exceptions.
[00:21:30]  And I actually believe that if we just did it based on merit, there'd be no difference between black men and white men.
[00:21:36]  No, there is a difference.
[00:21:37]  There's actually a massive difference.
[00:21:39]  There's a massive difference.
[00:21:40]  Black men are far more likely to commit violent crimes than Asian men.
[00:21:46]  White men, Hispanic men, than every other people group in the nation, except maybe some of the newest additions to America.
[00:21:58]  When you think of foreigners who are coming in in wide swaths.
[00:22:02]  So, anyway, so that's just a personal example that I wanted to share of trying not to enter in because I could have done that.
[00:22:10]  And I thought about it like, oh, I can just clap back this person I'm sitting here talking about universal suffrage and how.
[00:22:19]  It's not a biblical principle, and it's actually a detriment to a nation.
[00:22:22]  It's actually embracing egalitarianism and liberalism and even Marxism in some sense, and that's actually antithetical to the Bible.
[00:22:31]  And this person assumes because I said nothing, I did not say black people, but they assume that I'm talking about black people.
[00:22:37]  So, boom, you're the real racist.
[00:22:40]  And I was perfectly aware that that was a strategy that I could employ.
[00:22:45]  But we've got to move past that as Christians who are ultimately subservient to the Word of God as our standard.
[00:22:52]  His immutable standards, if we're Christians and the Bible is actually the standard of morality and truth, we do not need to be using leftist weapons in order to beat our enemy because you won't win that way.
[00:23:09]  You're ultimately standing on shaky ground.
[00:23:12]  It's the same thing that we did with James Lindsay.
[00:23:14]  It's like, okay, we'll fight back against the left with an atheist as our greatest champion.
[00:23:22]  Yeah, well, that didn't work out so well, did it?
[00:23:25]  Who could have seen that coming?
[00:23:26]  So I think, yeah, just acknowledging, no, I don't have to be so afraid.
[00:23:33]  They called me a racist.
[00:23:34]  So I got to prove how, by their own standards, they're the real racist.
[00:23:38]  No, you can just say, you think I'm a racist because I believe that people are different?
[00:23:45]  Okay, well, then if that's what it means, then whatever.
[00:23:49]  I don't care.
[00:23:50]  Your word has no power.
[00:23:52]  Your word has no power.
[00:23:53]  The word is powerless.
[00:23:54]  And so you have no power here.
[00:23:58]  And then I think it's important to clarify because some guys, I think, lean in foolishly at times.
[00:24:03]  We're like, well, I am a racist.
[00:24:04]  And it's in a tweet, and that's it.
[00:24:07]  And there's no clarification.
[00:24:09]  So just say, look, being a racist based off of your understanding of what racist is, this made up word, it means nothing.
[00:24:17]  But if you're talking about real categories, real biblical categories of sin, like unjustifiable malice towards people for no reason other than simply their ethnicity.
[00:24:29]  Well, then that's not true.
[00:24:31]  I don't feel malice towards anyone.
[00:24:33]  I don't hate anyone.
[00:24:34]  I'm not trying to unjustifiably crush or harm anyone.
[00:24:41]  But I absolutely believe that America should stay America.
[00:24:45]  And America first is a good principle.
[00:24:47]  And America first should mean Americans first.
[00:24:51]  And being an American is more than just having a piece of paper, it's people who actually have a heritage here and a history here.
[00:24:58]  And I'm going to fight for that.
[00:24:59]  And I make no apology.
[00:25:01]  And me saying that these people can't come and these, you know, 20 to 50 million people have to be deported and have to leave does not mean that I hate them or that I want to hurt them.
[00:25:10]  It simply means that we're allowed, we are allowed to have a country.
[00:25:15]  By God, we'll have our home again.
[00:25:16]  We're allowed to have a country.
[00:25:17]  And that does not necessitate any biblical category of sin.
[00:25:21]  That does not necessitate arrogance.
[00:25:24]  You can believe, like, so I think, I don't think, I know it's a proven fact.
[00:25:28]  I know that white men commit less violent crime than black men.
[00:25:32]  That does not necessitate arrogance.
[00:25:35]  So you can know that in that category, okay, I'm not saying across the board in every single way, there are different things.
[00:25:41]  So the category of physical prowess, Well, according to the NFL, when you look at the statistics, black people are superior to white people when it comes to that level of athleticism.
[00:25:53]  Like, how come everybody in the NBA and the NFL is black?
[00:25:58]  So I can say, okay, you're gifted here.
[00:26:01]  When it comes to not murdering people, white people are superior and Asians too, for that matter.
[00:26:09]  That's just a fact.
[00:26:10]  Now, here's the thing.
[00:26:11]  So people will reel at, oh, he used the word superior.
[00:26:14]  In that category, yes.
[00:26:15]  But here's the deal you can recognize that.
[00:26:17]  Without there being arrogance.
[00:26:19]  Arrogance is a biblical sin.
[00:26:21]  So I think of, you know, when Paul says, view yourselves with sober judgment, not more highly than you ought.
[00:26:27]  He doesn't say, don't view yourself highly at all.
[00:26:30]  I remember even Tim Keller, the Marxist Tim Keller said back in the day in exegeting that text, he said, we should not view ourselves more highly than we ought, nor should we view ourselves more lowly than we ought.
[00:26:41]  But the whole premise of that verse is, but view yourself with sober judgment.
[00:26:46]  Sober judgment is not self deprecating, and sober judgment is not prideful and arrogant.
[00:26:51]  Sober judgment is looking at the facts and viewing yourself accurately.
[00:26:56]  And so I can look at white people in America and I can say with accuracy, not arrogance, but accuracy, I can say, yes, white men are more law abiding per capita, on average, in general, than black men.
[00:27:13]  And that is a virtue.
[00:27:14]  That's a good thing.
[00:27:15]  White men are superior in that regard, at least right now, in this point in history.
[00:27:23]  That's simply.
[00:27:24]  The reality.
[00:27:25]  And so I don't have to say, oh, no, no, but I'm not racist.
[00:27:27]  Oh, no, no, no, you're the real racist.
[00:27:29]  Oh, no, no.
[00:27:30]  No, you can just say that.
[00:27:32]  And it's not a sin.
[00:27:33]  Racism, the way that it's being used today, is not a sin.
[00:27:36]  What makes it a sin is real biblical sins.
[00:27:41]  Arrogance is a sin.
[00:27:43]  Theft is a sin.
[00:27:44]  Murder is a sin.
[00:27:45]  Malice is a sin.
[00:27:47]  Those are sins.
[00:27:48]  And so that's the frame.
[00:27:50]  So you talk about frame, that's the frame as Christians that we should live in.
[00:27:54]  We should be operating in that frame.
[00:27:56]  So, if I got somebody calling me a racist, I don't need to snap back and call them a racist.
[00:28:01]  No, I need to use biblical language.
[00:28:04]  Well, you, right?
[00:28:05]  So, you're saying this about me.
[00:28:06]  So, you're saying I'm a racist.
[00:28:08]  So, instead of me saying, Well, you're the real racist, instead, I used a biblical category and I just snapped back and said, Well, you're a slanderer.
[00:28:16]  Right?
[00:28:16]  That's actually a biblical category.
[00:28:18]  And they literally slandered me.
[00:28:20]  They said that I did something, said something that I quite literally did not say.
[00:28:25]  Or that I implied something that I did not even imply.
[00:28:28]  It was not even my connotation.
[00:28:30]  So I'm not going to snap back and say, well, you're the real racist because what's wrong with my criteria?
[00:28:35]  Because, you know, black people would be able to vote just as much as white people with my criteria.
[00:28:41]  And you're the one who believes that they wouldn't be able to.
[00:28:43]  So you must have a lower view of black people than.
[00:28:45]  No, that's ridiculous.
[00:28:47]  If my criteria for voting that I talked about, and you can go back and see the tweets and all that kind of stuff, or go back and watch the episode, if my criteria was put in place, then per capita, less black men would be able to vote than white men.
[00:29:00]  That's just a fact.
[00:29:01]  And so, I don't need to say, well, you're the real racist for not believing in black men.
[00:29:05]  I don't believe in black men in that regard.
[00:29:08]  That right now, in the year of our Lord 2025, if the criteria of not having a criminal record, of not being divorced, of not leaving your baby mama, you know, and these kinds of things, and being a net positive taxpayer, if that was the criteria for voting, then yeah, I don't believe that black men per capita would be qualified to vote at the same level as white men because it's just not reality.
[00:29:31]  We're estimated with AI, it's about 90% to 78%.
[00:29:35]  So, white men, about 90%, they wouldn't meet some of the criteria.
[00:29:38]  90% would be knocked out.
[00:29:40]  And white men, it's about 22%.
[00:29:42]  And those are very high level.
[00:29:43]  So, 90% knocked out for black men, 72% knocked out.
[00:29:47]  72% for white men.
[00:29:48]  So, 10%, in terms of those who could vote, according to the criteria I publicly presented, it'd be only 10% of black men and 28% white men.
[00:29:56]  Very roughly.
[00:29:57]  So, that's just based off of statistics.
[00:29:59]  So, then what makes it a sin?
[00:30:01]  Saying that is not a sin.
[00:30:01]  What makes it a sin is are you being arrogant?
[00:30:07]  Are you viewing yourself with sober judgment?
[00:30:09]  And in this particular category, it is quite literally superior.
[00:30:13]  But you can recognize superiority in a particular category without being prideful.
[00:30:19]  Like, I recognize that I am superior in speaking to a lot of my friends, but I don't go to sleep at night thinking, I am so much more valuable.
[00:30:31]  After a long day of being better than everyone else.
[00:30:33]  Yeah.
[00:30:33]  So, like, you can recognize something as being true superiority or inferiority for that matter.
[00:30:39]  Without engaging in the sin.
[00:30:41]  So if you're inferior, that's just a fact.
[00:30:43]  And to view yourself with sober judgment, which is a command in scripture, you actually need to be able to acknowledge that.

=== Roles At The Cross (03:42) ===

[00:30:49]  I am inferior to this person or this group of persons in this category.
[00:30:54]  And what's the sin?
[00:30:56]  The sin to avoid, if you're inferior, is the sin of envy, the sin of bitterness.
[00:31:02]  Okay, I am superior to this person in this category, this group of people in this category.
[00:31:08]  And so what's the sin there to avoid?
[00:31:10]  Arrogance or exploitation.
[00:31:12]  I think that's how the Westminster Catechism breaks down the fifth commandment, the duties of inferiors to superiors and the duties of superiors to inferiors.
[00:31:20]  So you say the man, in the sense in the marriage, he is the superior, the head.
[00:31:24]  But all that comes with actually is more responsibility, a greater duty to care, to love, to protect, and cherish those that are under his care.
[00:31:32]  It actually comes with a heavier weight.
[00:31:34]  So the duty of superiors to inferiors, inferiors to superiors, those are bounded by scripture, and arrogance most certainly is not in that.
[00:31:41]  But also for those that are underneath, Reviling and disrespect is not under it either.
[00:31:45]  Hey, this is the station God has me in.
[00:31:47]  I am the wife.
[00:31:48]  I submit to my husband.
[00:31:49]  This is where I am.
[00:31:50]  That's the attitude that should be taken.
[00:31:54]  And for those who hate us and can't think in categories, they would probably say right there, they say, Yeah, but the wife isn't inferior in terms of her value.
[00:32:03]  Correct.
[00:32:03]  And neither is the black man.
[00:32:05]  We're not talking about that.
[00:32:07]  We've got to learn to think in categories.
[00:32:09]  So all people are created in the image of God and in the eternal, spiritual, ultimate sense.
[00:32:16]  That black Christian versus the white Christian have equal dignity, equal value, eternal value and worth in the sight of God.
[00:32:24]  But in the temporal category of giftings, aptitude, ability, in terms of that, yeah, one will be greater and one will be lesser.
[00:32:35]  So the same thing, like my wife, we're co heirs in grace, right?
[00:32:39]  We're both equal, as the phrase goes, at the foot of the cross, right?
[00:32:44]  Co heirs of grace.
[00:32:45]  She does not have a second class citizenship in heaven to me.
[00:32:48]  And yet, here temporally on earth, she is the inferior, and I am the superior, both in role and also in design.
[00:32:57]  Because God does not deal out roles arbitrarily, He's not capricious.
[00:33:02]  He's actually called men to lead, not just because, just because.
[00:33:07]  No, He's called men to lead because He has built them, not just their role, but their nature, equipped them in such a way that they are more inclined and more suited towards leadership than the woman.
[00:33:20]  And so, and you look at the Puritans, like William Googe, like look at him writing about husband and wife.
[00:33:27]  He doesn't bat an eye.
[00:33:28]  He doesn't apologize.
[00:33:29]  He doesn't have to give a million disclaimers and qualify every statement because this is old language that people used to understand before gay race communism came in and made everybody retarded.
[00:33:40]  But what William Googe would have said, what he did say, you can read Domestical Duties by William Googe.
[00:33:47]  He says that the wife is the inferior and the husband is the superior.
[00:33:52]  And yet, William Googe would also say in the very next breath, co heirs in grace, right?
[00:33:57]  In terms of their eternal spiritual worth and dignity and value, equal in the sight of God.
[00:34:03]  And yet, in another category, the temporal plane, both role and design, inferior and superior.
[00:34:12]  And he could use that kind of language.
[00:34:15]  If you're Christians from Europe and you roll up in your ship on the Ivory Coast and you're coming from cathedrals, And they're living in mud huts.
[00:34:29]  You're going to say, done with 20,000 sacrifices.

=== Grace And Temporal Worth (10:03) ===

[00:34:31]  Right.
[00:34:32]  And they're cannibals.
[00:34:33]  You're going to say, these are savages.
[00:34:36]  These are an inferior people.
[00:34:39]  They're an inferior people.
[00:34:41]  And that doesn't mean you hate them.
[00:34:42]  And it doesn't necessitate pride.
[00:34:45]  You could be prideful.
[00:34:47]  It gives the opportunity for pride, but it does not necessitate pride.
[00:34:52]  It's simply viewing the situation with sober pride.
[00:34:57]  Judgment, with sober judgment.
[00:34:59]  People have to be able to understand this.
[00:35:00]  So when we are slandered or whatever with Marxist words like racism, that were coined in the early 1900s, and you cannot find the word anywhere in all of history until the last hundred years, when those things happen, don't enter your enemy's framework.
[00:35:19]  Don't agree to his terms.
[00:35:20]  Don't say, okay, I'll fight you, but it's going to be a fair fight according to your rules.
[00:35:28]  It'll never be a fair fight because his rules.
[00:35:31]  Aren't fair, he'll cheat, he'll cheat.
[00:35:33]  So, don't give him the opportunity to say, I'm not doing that.
[00:35:37]  You're calling me a racist.
[00:35:39]  I could, you know, pop back and I could show with logic why you're actually being more racist than I am, and blah blah blah.
[00:35:45]  But I'm not going to do that.
[00:35:46]  Instead, I'm going to stick to biblical categories.
[00:35:48]  You called me a racist, well, um, coming from you, it doesn't mean anything, but I can call you in an objective sense a slanderer.
[00:35:56]  And if you do not repent and believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, you will go to hell.
[00:36:01]  And you just handle it like that.
[00:36:03]  All right.
[00:36:03]  So I'm hoping that we have questions by now.
[00:36:05]  We're going to go to our first commercial break.
[00:36:07]  We'll come back.
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[00:39:10]  All right.
[00:39:10]  Cool.
[00:39:11]  Let's get to the super chats here.
[00:39:12]  I'm going to go with Mr. Nonspecific.
[00:39:15]  Mr. Nonspecific gave $50.
[00:39:17]  Thanks so much for your support.
[00:39:19]  And all he said, it wasn't a question, was thanks for fighting the good fight, guys.
[00:39:22]  Never quit.
[00:39:23]  We will not.
[00:39:24]  Thank you.
[00:39:24]  I really appreciate it.
[00:39:25]  Lord willing, we will not.
[00:39:26]  Next one Answers in Scripture.
[00:39:28]  Yes.
[00:39:29]  Answers in Scripture.
[00:39:30]  $10 super chat.
[00:39:31]  Love, right response ministries.
[00:39:32]  What is the biggest super chat you have received?
[00:39:35]  I think it was $500.
[00:39:36]  I can think of three separate $500 ones.
[00:39:39]  I think one was from Philip Nathaniel.
[00:39:40]  Which, speaking of his daughter, Ben Hufstead, there are a couple probably.
[00:39:44]  Yeah.
[00:39:44]  I just an update on Philip Nathaniel because I think last QA we mentioned him.
[00:39:47]  Oh, that's right.
[00:39:48]  Talked to him yesterday, and his daughter's on the men, but you can just pray that she puts on weight, learns to eat so they can go home.
[00:39:53]  They've been in the hospital for months.
[00:39:55]  And so, but that was one of the 500s.
[00:39:57]  She was born two months early, right?
[00:39:58]  She was born two months early.
[00:39:59]  So she'd been in the NICU and now she's doing good, but they just want her to be able to take a bottle before she goes home, which is kind of arbitrary.
[00:40:07]  It's kind of frustrating.
[00:40:08]  But you know, with those situations, you can't just say, like, oh, we're going to take our daughter back.
[00:40:12]  Yeah.
[00:40:12]  Because then, well, CPS comes.
[00:40:14]  So it's tough.
[00:40:15]  But if you think of Philip, Nathaniel, and his wife, pray for them and their daughter.
[00:40:19]  Okay.
[00:40:20]  But that was a $500 one.
[00:40:21]  Ben Huffstother, and I remember Aaron one year.
[00:40:24]  What's her last name?
[00:40:25]  Perryville?
[00:40:27]  I don't know.
[00:40:28]  So $500, I think.
[00:40:29]  Yep, $500.
[00:40:33]  And I believe that you guys can top it.
[00:40:36]  It can be done.
[00:40:37]  It can be done.
[00:40:38]  $501.
[00:40:39]  I see $505.
[00:40:40]  All right.
[00:40:41]  $505.
[00:40:42]  Next one Black Belt 1689 2.
[00:40:47]  That's shocking to me.
[00:40:48]  There must be a Black Belt 1689 1.
[00:40:50]  I'm thinking he's probably saying the second London Baptist confession of faith versus the first one.
[00:40:54]  All right, fair enough.
[00:40:55]  All right, so Black Belt 1689 2.
[00:40:58]  He gave us $10.
[00:40:58]  Thanks.
[00:40:59]  We appreciate that.
[00:41:00]  He said, I agree with your entire criteria except the high school diploma.
[00:41:05]  That's actually not part of my criteria, but we'll keep going.
[00:41:08]  He says, There are well educated heritage American men that never graduated, that want what's best for and have a stake in the future.
[00:41:18]  So, I would say I agree 100%.
[00:41:20]  And that was actually not one of my criteria.
[00:41:22]  I'll give them real quick.
[00:41:22]  So, number one was Christian.
[00:41:25]  Number two was male.
[00:41:28]  The 19th Amendment is a joke.
[00:41:30]  So, it should be men, Christian men.
[00:41:32]  Number three was third generation.
[00:41:35]  So, stake in the past, third generation American, minimum.
[00:41:39]  And then number four is married.
[00:41:41]  So, I want them to be Christian married men.
[00:41:43]  So, they have a stake in the future.
[00:41:45]  Marriage means not everybody can have kids, but at least signifies children and posterity.
[00:41:51]  So, stake in the past, third generation, stake in the future, you're married.
[00:41:54]  And then number five was net paying taxpayer.
[00:41:59]  Some people have written in and said, Well, why didn't you say landowning, like the founders?
[00:42:04]  Well, the founders had not met boomers.
[00:42:08]  So, if George Washington was here today and he met a boomer, he'd be like, Yeah, we can't say landowning because there's an entire generation that did everything they possibly could to make sure that it's impossible for any of you to ever own a home.
[00:42:23]  Own land right now.
[00:42:23]  70 year olds are buying more land than individuals over 30, under 35.
[00:42:27]  Yep.
[00:42:28]  They're buying more than the young generation.
[00:42:30]  Right.
[00:42:31]  So, land owning, I think, is a great metric.
[00:42:33]  The founders use it for a reason because, again, it's just showing that you're invested, you have stake in the nation, that you own something.
[00:42:41]  And so, all I would, I'm just basically, I'm just taking that same principle, but I'm expanding it from being narrowly related to physical land because I think there are a lot of people.
[00:42:53]  Who are net positive contributors in America, but simply cannot own land, and it's not their fault.
[00:43:03]  If land was easy to own, and people were just choosing not to because they were spending all their money on video games or virtual reality, then yeah, I'd say, yeah, that guy probably shouldn't be able to vote because he's not really invested in the soil.
[00:43:20]  He's not invested in what's real in the country.
[00:43:23]  But I think economically speaking, in large part because of the boomers, there's a lot of people who would love to own land and they're hardworking.
[00:43:33]  They're actually not poor.
[00:43:34]  They just don't have 10 to 20 times their annual salary with 6.5% interest rates to purchase a home.
[00:43:44]  And that's not their fault.
[00:43:45]  So that was the five.
[00:43:47]  And then there's two others that I didn't include in the tweet, but they matter.
[00:43:51]  So Christian, male, married, third generation.
[00:43:56]  Net positive taxpayer, and then no dual citizenship.
[00:44:00]  I think you should have to relinquish citizenship from another country and have your sole allegiance and citizenship in America if you're going to dictate America's politics.
[00:44:09]  I think that's perfectly reasonable.
[00:44:11]  That would be for holding office for sure, but also as a voting citizen.
[00:44:14]  You could have some form of citizenship apart from that, but if you want to vote.
[00:44:18]  So that's number six, no dual citizenship.
[00:44:20]  And then number seven, no criminal record, not speeding tickets, but like actual.
[00:44:27]  Crime.
[00:44:28]  So, you need to be an upstanding moral citizen.
[00:44:31]  So, those were the seven criteria.
[00:44:33]  High school diploma was not actually one of them.

=== No Dual Citizenship (08:43) ===

[00:44:35]  If we can go back to the super chats.
[00:44:36]  It's my criteria.
[00:44:36]  And if you have one, you can't vote.
[00:44:38]  I want men of the land.
[00:44:40]  I want men that are just instinct.
[00:44:43]  Let's go back to the super chats.
[00:44:44]  So, he said, I agree with your entire criteria except for the high school diploma.
[00:44:49]  So, that's perfect.
[00:44:49]  So, he agrees with my entire criteria.
[00:44:51]  Perfect.
[00:44:52]  Because that wasn't actually part of it.
[00:44:53]  And he said, there are well educated heritage Americans that never graduated.
[00:44:57]  And I would agree entirely.
[00:44:58]  Yep.
[00:44:58]  Yeah.
[00:44:59]  And then he wrote back in and gave $5 more.
[00:45:01]  Thank you.
[00:45:01]  We appreciate that.
[00:45:02]  He said, also, shout out to my boy, Andrew C., for introducing me to y'all.
[00:45:08]  Thank you, Andrew C., for introducing Black Belt 1689 2.
[00:45:14]  We're glad that you're here.
[00:45:15]  Okay.
[00:45:15]  All right.
[00:45:16]  In the meantime, Nick Bonner sent in a $50 super chat.
[00:45:20]  Thank you so much, Nick.
[00:45:21]  Nick's a frequent commenter, good brother.
[00:45:24]  He said, This I often find myself biting my tongue when in polite company and these discussions around race, gender, et cetera, come up.
[00:45:30]  How do you speak your mind and not be a coward?
[00:45:33]  Without unnecessarily offending the NPCs, the non playable characters that are just, yeah, they haven't thought critically about these things.
[00:45:40]  What do you think?
[00:45:43]  I mean, there's tons of times where I bite my tongue.
[00:45:44]  I think a good example is in laws.
[00:45:47]  I would probably guess most of our listeners, your in laws are probably not necessarily on board.
[00:45:51]  So you could, every time something like this comes up, every time election season's there, any time someone mentions, well, man, crime really seems to be getting out of control, you could sour the relationship.
[00:46:02]  You could do that.
[00:46:03]  But that's a relationship that you have for life.
[00:46:05]  It's a relationship that affects your family.
[00:46:06]  If you're married, And what's the upside of it?
[00:46:09]  Like, all right, like I fought for 10 years and my in laws are red pilled on World War II.
[00:46:14]  Like, that's it.
[00:46:15]  That's the outcome.
[00:46:16]  Like, my in laws are red pilled.
[00:46:17]  So I think it's calculus of what can I reasonably hope to gain and what do I need this relationship for?
[00:46:23]  Like, there's another relationship where I wish I'd spoken up.
[00:46:25]  It was during Black Lives Matter and social justice and it was the pastor of the church that we were getting ready to leave.
[00:46:30]  Well, that's a relationship that I'm leaving the state.
[00:46:33]  I'm not going to have that.
[00:46:34]  And it's something that actually matters.
[00:46:35]  And he's a pastor of a church.
[00:46:37]  And so convincing him, if by God's grace I could, or helping him reconsider, Would have been impactful.
[00:46:42]  So, right there, it's like, that's actually a good time.
[00:46:44]  Like, hey, I don't want to ruin our friendship, but you said this, and I just strongly disagree, and I think this is wrong.
[00:46:51]  And then that same concept could come up at dinner at Thanksgiving with your in laws, and you smile because practically, wait, I got to hold this relationship for the rest of my life.
[00:47:00]  And these aren't people that are influenced.
[00:47:02]  They're not going to take this and then go on and be really influential.
[00:47:05]  So, what can I gain from it?
[00:47:07]  And this relationship, like, is it a friend who can take it?
[00:47:10]  If it's a friend who can take it, even if they're not influential, hey, we've been friends for a long time, and I'm going to push back on you.
[00:47:15]  Come on.
[00:47:16]  We've known each other since childhood.
[00:47:18]  You know X, Y, and Z.
[00:47:20]  So, really great answer.
[00:47:21]  I, um, That's one of my best ideas.
[00:47:24]  I was going to say, anytime Wes has a good idea, I always immediately say, Hey, that was my idea.
[00:47:31]  No, I actually was going to not say it exactly that way.
[00:47:34]  I think you added some extra things that are really good, but I was basically going to say, in a nutshell, the answer to Nick's question is like, you know, how do you speak up about these things, you know, with the average MPC?
[00:47:46]  And my answer, you know, the short version is you don't.
[00:47:49]  You don't.
[00:47:50]  I actually don't think that you, and I think that's important for our listeners to hear.
[00:47:56]  You need to feel this coming from two Christian men, one of them being a pastor.
[00:48:02]  I want to unbind your conscience right now.
[00:48:06]  You need to hear this.
[00:48:08]  You are not morally obligated under God from the scripture to commit suicide.
[00:48:15]  And you have to recognize that the zeitgeist has a stranglehold on the entire culture, our entire society, politically.
[00:48:28]  Culturally, the church, all these things, you are allowed.
[00:48:33]  In fact, not only is it permissible, but biblically speaking, you are commanded to act with shrewdness.
[00:48:39]  You are commanded to be wise, to be prudent, to be strategic.
[00:48:45]  You are actually, again, not just permissible, not just allowed.
[00:48:48]  You are commanded not to throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them and then trample you also.
[00:48:56]  So you are not only allowed, but you're actually morally.
[00:48:59]  Morally obligated under God to not commit suicide and quite to the contrary, to exercise discernment.
[00:49:08]  And so, every the categories then, so that's my answer.
[00:49:10]  And then the categories that Wes provided, I think are fantastic.
[00:49:16]  So, what's the nature of the relationship that I have with this person?
[00:49:22]  How much influence does this person have?
[00:49:24]  If I was, let's say, I like it's unlikely I'll convince them, but let's say that by God's mercy, I did, what would the result be?
[00:49:32]  Right?
[00:49:33]  Would I convince them and they have, you know, three friends, you know, and work at Taco Bell, you know, like, or is this my pastor and I'm about to leave the church and never see him again and it could influence him for good and there's going to be many people under his care and under his influence, right?
[00:49:53]  So, like, those are the kinds of things.
[00:49:55]  Like, so when I'm determining I'm in a setting, should I, you know, should I talk about the weather or should I talk about FBI statistics?
[00:50:04]  Well, who's around me?
[00:50:06]  What's the nature of the relationship I have with these people?
[00:50:09]  Are they influential?
[00:50:10]  And then also, what is the potential cost?
[00:50:13]  What could I lose?
[00:50:14]  I have a wife, I have children.
[00:50:17]  I need to be wise, I need to be discerning, and I'm commanded to be shrewd.
[00:50:22]  So, no, you are not obligated, Nick.
[00:50:26]  I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm trying to provide for you a theological category outside of the exclusive category of cowardice.
[00:50:35]  I think a lot of young men who listen to us and others like us, there's not many, but there are some.
[00:50:41]  I think a lot of you guys, your consciences have been wrongly bound, not from the word of God, but wrongly bound.
[00:50:49]  And I think it's a good instinct, right?
[00:50:51]  It's a good instinct for men to want to be courageous.
[00:50:54]  But I think that that can be pigeonholed and truncated to where the only category you have for not speaking up is sin.
[00:51:04]  The only category you have for not speaking up is cowardice.
[00:51:07]  And biblically speaking, it's just a little bit more complex than that.
[00:51:10]  It's not that simple.
[00:51:11]  It's not every time you don't speak up, you're in sin and you're a coward.
[00:51:17]  And as Revelation says, the cowards will be thrown into the lake of fire.
[00:51:21]  The Bible is a pretty big book.
[00:51:22]  That is a verse in the Bible, but there are a few other verses in there as well.
[00:51:27]  And there are verses about discernment, not casting pearls before swine, being shrewd, innocent as doves, but shrewd, wise as serpents.
[00:51:36]  And so, yes, you can, in each situation, calculate what is the best strategy here.
[00:51:45]  And there will be situations where it is imperative that you don't speak up and you should have a clean conscience in not speaking up.
[00:51:54]  And knowing that you are a clear conscience before the Lord and that you did no wrong.
[00:52:01]  Okay.
[00:52:01]  I would say, too, just briefly, there are categories, I think, of a lot of positions where there's ways to frame it as well.
[00:52:07]  That's very defensible and palatable.
[00:52:09]  I had a family member just around dinner table, they said something like, well, yeah, illegal immigration is a problem, but we don't care if they come in here legally.
[00:52:16]  Like, ooh.
[00:52:17]  I said, hey, well, no, we're pretty full.
[00:52:20]  I didn't break out like the 1790 Immigration Act and like go on the field, but I said, hey, There's a lot of people here.
[00:52:26]  We're where our border is closed for a while.
[00:52:28]  So, any type of view, even if you hold a very extreme version of it, there's just a way to say, like, hey, World War II, like, you killed millions of Europeans for not much.
[00:52:38]  Like, people can get behind that.
[00:52:39]  Like, yeah, killing's bad and peace is better.
[00:52:41]  So, with every situation, you can say, let me take the most defensible portion of this, most defensible position possible, if I am going to push back instead of, and let me give you, you know, three hours worth of history or three hours worth of statistics.
[00:52:55]  Yeah, somebody could talk about the Holocaust and you can simply say, Um, you know, there's a lot of differing opinions on the Holocaust, but whatever did happen to innocent people, they weren't Jewish spies, they weren't Bolsheviks, they weren't communists, they're women and children, you know, but like women and children who were innocent and they were wrongfully and unjustly harmed or killed.
[00:53:15]  Uh, that that is terrible, and I lament that.

=== Closing Our Borders (15:23) ===

[00:53:18]  And also, I would just add to that, right?
[00:53:21]  Um, I think Dresden have you read any about what happened, and right, you know, at Dresden that was also a horrible crime, and you can literally so you can be.
[00:53:30]  Wise and above reproach, and you know, and flank the rear, you know, and the way that you answer these questions.
[00:53:38]  Yep.
[00:53:38]  Okay.
[00:53:39]  Great.
[00:53:40]  All right.
[00:53:41]  AIS answers in scripture $490.
[00:53:45]  And this is a person who asked, What's the largest super chat you'd ever received?
[00:53:48]  and gave $10.
[00:53:49]  I think that was a layout.
[00:53:50]  So they gave 10, yeah.
[00:53:51]  And then they're giving $490 to make it $500.
[00:53:54]  And in it, they said that you can't, I believe they said that $500 is the max of the machine.
[00:54:00]  $500 is the max that the machine.
[00:54:02]  I was trying to think if we had a $750.
[00:54:04]  I don't think we did.
[00:54:04]  Yep.
[00:54:05]  So, okay.
[00:54:06]  So, you are now in the Hall of Fame.
[00:54:09]  You are officially right response, one of right response top guys.
[00:54:12]  Top tier.
[00:54:13]  And honestly, we've been talking about this, me and Wes and Antonio and Nate.
[00:54:20]  He's over in the closet, like a Harry Potter situation, running the cameras.
[00:54:24]  And we try not to let him out.
[00:54:26]  It makes us feel better if he's in as small of a room as humanly possible.
[00:54:33]  Like, I actually have thought about it.
[00:54:34]  Could we get a wardrobe like, like, have a closet within the closet to just have you know more confined?
[00:54:39]  He has a chair right now, more confined, smaller space.
[00:54:42]  You know, how can we make his job less comfortable?
[00:54:46]  It just, you know, they're talking about inferior and superior.
[00:54:49]  You know, it makes me feel superior.
[00:54:51]  And I am arrogant about that.
[00:54:52]  But, anyways, me and Nate and Wes and Antonio, we've actually been talking for a couple months, all jokes aside, about kind of like a how can we really give a ton of value to the people who have been so supportive and such a blessing and encouragement to us financially through their prayers, their positive, encouraging emails.
[00:55:14]  And so, we actually are thinking, you'll hear more about this towards the end of the year.
[00:55:19]  But we do actually plan to roll out a top guys category where basically some of the things that we're thinking, I'll give you guys a sneak peek today.
[00:55:29]  But we have some big things in the pipeline, some really special guests that are going to be coming in the studio in person, doing long form series like we do with our Friday special, but like some big guests, not just our colleagues and our peers, but guys.
[00:55:45]  Many are asking, it's not me.
[00:55:46]  Just to put the rumors to rest.
[00:55:48]  But no, people with international acclaim.
[00:55:51]  Um, that like if I said the name, you'd be like, What?
[00:55:53]  Oh my goodness.
[00:55:54]  Um, and so we've got uh three or four of those individuals already lined up.
[00:56:00]  Um, and they're coming in this year.
[00:56:03]  Um, uh, in the very near just in the coming weeks, uh, one of the guests is coming and we're working on these recording projects and we'll be putting out uh this content.
[00:56:12]  And so, so what we were thinking is, um, you know, we'll keep the live stream going three times a week, uh, but then we'll add like this special with guys, you know, big name guests on really, really interesting, important, relevant topics.
[00:56:25]  In the studio, multiple part series.
[00:56:28]  And we're thinking, you know, we'll make that available to, you know, an early access ad free so you don't have to wait for weeks for it to drip out, like we've done, you know, for a monthly subscription, you know, that's affordable.
[00:56:41]  But then we're thinking about creating like this top guy, you know, right response top guy category where you would get that.
[00:56:48]  We're also working on coming out with a Substack and you would get some of the Substack will be front facing, some behind a paywall, but you get all full subscription to the Substack and to the special podcast.
[00:57:00]  And then, in addition to that, we're working on a new book.
[00:57:04]  And so, you'd get a free copy of the book.
[00:57:06]  And then, in addition to that, we were thinking we could do a monthly Zoom call and we'd want it to be small, like intentionally so.
[00:57:13]  We don't want to do it with hundreds of people, but we do like a monthly Zoom call with our top guys who are like, they're the guys who are in it with us.
[00:57:23]  And so, it's like you got like a monthly, two, three hour Zoom call with me and Wes and Antonio and you guys.
[00:57:29]  And so, you're actually getting to speak and engage, and it's not recorded.
[00:57:32]  We don't publicly post it.
[00:57:34]  We're able to talk.
[00:57:36]  There's privacy.
[00:57:37]  It's strategizing behind the scenes once a month.
[00:57:40]  We can answer your questions.
[00:57:42]  You can give us your thoughts so that we're learning.
[00:57:44]  And then, in addition to that, the monthly Zoom call, having a message board daily where we're actually engaging, whether it's a signal thread or telegram or whatever it might be, going back and forth.
[00:57:54]  And then, also, the final thing is two live in person events where you actually come out and it's free because you're one of the top guys.
[00:58:04]  But you got to do travel, got to take care of your travel.
[00:58:08]  But you get out here and come to Georgetown, Texas, and twice a year, like a spring and fall, spend like three days with us a weekend, join us for church on the Lord's Day, but then spend like all Friday, all Saturday.
[00:58:21]  And whether it's in our homes, you know, or whatever, or we rent a place, we're spending the whole day together talking, getting to know each other personally, strategizing, hearing from you, you hearing from us.
[00:58:34]  Have some presentations, maybe even fly out a few other guys that you would recognize who are talking about the kinds of things that we're talking about, some other big names.
[00:58:43]  And so you get to meet them in person and have a conversation, do a bonfire and cigars on Friday and Saturday night, those kinds of things.
[00:58:52]  So we have big plans that we're excited about in building a culture, building actual friendships because the digital space is a blessing, but we need real life.
[00:59:06]  Relationships.
[00:59:07]  We need flesh and blood where it's not just us talking in front of the camera behind a microphone, but no, you're in my living room and we're having a conversation and having a drink.
[00:59:20]  And I actually get to see you and I'm shaking your hand.
[00:59:23]  I know your name.
[00:59:25]  There's a friendship.
[00:59:25]  And I realized like a lot of guys, they put out more content.
[00:59:30]  We put out a lot of content.
[00:59:31]  And so we're going to do these special series.
[00:59:33]  And you want early access, you want ad free.
[00:59:36]  Well, there's going to be a subscription.
[00:59:38]  It'll be affordable, but there will be a subscription for that.
[00:59:40]  But what I've realized is that there's a certain group of guys that follow us and follow other guys like us.
[00:59:46]  They actually don't want the content.
[00:59:49]  What they really want is access.
[00:59:52]  Yep.
[00:59:52]  It's access.
[00:59:53]  And I'm not disparaging that at all.
[00:59:55]  I think that that's honorable.
[00:59:57]  What you're saying is hey, Joel, I love your content and I appreciate everything that I get.
[01:00:02]  And yeah, if you come out with some special series, I'll sign up for 10 bucks a month in order to get it.
[01:00:07]  So I love the content.
[01:00:09]  But I'd love to just know you.
[01:00:13]  And not just to know you, because I get to know you a little bit by watching the show, but I'd like for you to be able to know me.
[01:00:21]  I'd like to shake your hand.
[01:00:22]  I'd like to sit down and have a coffee with you.
[01:00:26]  And obviously, there's only so much we can do because we have wives, we have children, we have families, I have a church.
[01:00:32]  So we have responsibilities, but we're thinking of a strategic way to make that available.
[01:00:36]  We can't make it available for everyone, we just can't.
[01:00:39]  I can't be personal friends with 10,000 people.
[01:00:44]  But I could be friends, have a real meaningful relationship, a message board, you know, in a signal thread on a daily basis, a monthly Zoom call, two person, in person events for a weekend.
[01:00:54]  And that's enough to where it's like, no, you actually are friends.
[01:00:58]  And I have enough capacity in my life right now to where I could manage and would desire to.
[01:01:04]  I want to, it would be a benefit to me to manage that level of real access, not just content, but access and relationship, friendship with, I would say, about 50 to 100 people.
[01:01:16]  And so we're looking at doing that and putting out there.
[01:01:23]  And I know that some people are going to be like, that's insufferable.
[01:01:26]  You know, you're shilling.
[01:01:28]  But you do have to, okay, well, how do you choose who gets to be the 50 or 100 people?
[01:01:32]  And just being completely frank, we would choose the people who are the most, they have the most skin in the game.
[01:01:39]  They're invested.
[01:01:39]  They're actually, they're the ones who are keeping the lights on for us.
[01:01:42]  They're the ones who ensure that I can pay my team and their salaries.
[01:01:46]  They're the ones who are making us bulletproof and uncancelable.
[01:01:49]  By supporting this ministry with prayer, with encouragement, but also generosity.
[01:01:54]  And so we're looking at rolling that out towards the end of the year for 2026 a right response, top guys.
[01:02:02]  And again, like giving a lot of value, not just that it's just in word, but indeed, two in person weekends, the daily message board, the monthly Zoom call, and then a free book, and of course, the early access ad free with the specials that we do.
[01:02:21]  And the Substack that we'll be rolling out, giving a lot.
[01:02:24]  And I'll probably give everybody on that also, all the top guys, I would also give them my cell phone number.
[01:02:30]  And so you're able to text me.
[01:02:32]  Or, you know, maybe not just calling, like, hey, what's your favorite color?
[01:02:35]  Like, Buddy the Elf, you know, what's your favorite color?
[01:02:37]  I'll call you in five.
[01:02:38]  So maybe, you know, not for, you know, multiple phone calls a day, but like if you need me, you can call me.
[01:02:45]  And I am willing and even excited about the prospect of doing that with a small group of men who love this ministry and who are supporting us.
[01:02:55]  So we want to provide that.
[01:02:57]  And so all that back to this super chat.
[01:03:00]  My point is, Number one, answers in scripture.
[01:03:03]  Thank you, thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
[01:03:06]  That's incredibly generous and incredibly kind.
[01:03:08]  And for you, answers in scripture, I want to say answers in Genesis, but answers in scripture for you and everyone else who's like you, who's listening right now, and what I described, if that appeals to you, stay on the lookout.
[01:03:24]  We will make announcements towards the fall as we start getting closer to Thanksgiving and the end of the year.
[01:03:30]  And if that's what you're looking for, if you're saying, dude, I believe in you guys, You've gone through controversy after controversy after controversy.
[01:03:38]  You've proved your grit.
[01:03:40]  You've proved that you're not just a shooting star, that you've been around for years at this point.
[01:03:48]  And I know you're in it for the long haul and that you're not going to compromise.
[01:03:52]  You're not going to back down.
[01:03:53]  So I want to support you and I want more.
[01:03:57]  I want more access.
[01:03:58]  I want to know you.
[01:04:00]  We're going to make something like that available.
[01:04:03]  And for those who are willing to support us monthly, For a particular amount and yet to be determined.
[01:04:10]  And so, if anybody's interested in that, even just in the comment section, because I'm just curious, I'd like to get a pulse.
[01:04:16]  If you guys could do me a favor, if you're watching live right now, if you're one of those guys who are like, yeah, I would support monthly to be a part of something like that, could you just say that in the comment section?
[01:04:27]  Just say, I'd like to be a top guy, you know, or I'm interested in the top guy thing, or I want to know more about the top guy thing.
[01:04:34]  We would appreciate that.
[01:04:36]  It gives us an idea of, Is this even a good idea?
[01:04:40]  If nobody's interested and it's not a good idea, then let the record show it was Wes's idea.
[01:04:44]  But if people are interested and it is a good idea, then we'll do it.
[01:04:48]  And of course, it was my idea in that case.
[01:04:50]  All right, we'll keep going.
[01:04:51]  All right.
[01:04:52]  Can we get the super chats here?
[01:04:54]  Yep, back to the super chats.
[01:04:55]  Daniel Bardos, $20.
[01:04:57]  Tuning in late, we'll be hitting the reply.
[01:04:58]  Thanks, RM.
[01:04:59]  Keep up the good work.
[01:05:00]  Thank you, Daniel.
[01:05:01]  Really appreciate you in the chat.
[01:05:03]  Bo Cannington?
[01:05:05]  Yeah, Cannington.
[01:05:06]  $50 from Bo.
[01:05:07]  Very kind, very generous.
[01:05:09]  Do you think the Overton window is finally shifting right because the left hasn't started any major wars in decades since higher testosterone males are more likely to die?
[01:05:17]  Do you fear the left may change this soon?
[01:05:20]  God bless, slash, thank you.
[01:05:22]  That's an interesting hypothesis that really you got woke culture out of, you could say, World War II, Korea, which happened pretty rapidly after, and Vietnam, even a little bit of the war on terror.
[01:05:32]  I'm going to be on the record and say I don't think so.
[01:05:34]  Those wars, I just looked it up, they killed maybe half of 1% to like a tenth of 1%.
[01:05:40]  Like a tenth of a tenth of a percent across all of those wars.
[01:05:43]  It was a very small population.
[01:05:44]  So, if you're talking maybe, I don't know, Germany, I don't know what percent of men, you're talking 20, 30% of fighting aged males, then that hypothesis might definitely hold.
[01:05:53]  I would say probably it's related to food, it's related to the environment.
[01:05:57]  I mean, you have to remember, lead was in gasoline.
[01:05:59]  I think through the 70s and the 80s, lead had a terrible impact on IQ, on health, on longevity.
[01:06:04]  So, my hypothesis war, it's one possibility.
[01:06:08]  I think honestly, the environment that drove men's T levels down.
[01:06:11]  I think that would definitely be more to blame than just saying wokeness came as a direct result of a lot of our high quality men dying in war.
[01:06:21]  Interesting.
[01:06:22]  That's a great question, though.
[01:06:23]  Thank you.
[01:06:24]  CNRB 1689 writes in $5.
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[01:06:30]  He says, Joel, what would it take for you to interview Nick Fuentes?
[01:06:34]  We've never gotten this question before.
[01:06:36]  No.
[01:06:37]  We get this question.
[01:06:37]  Since Wednesday.
[01:06:38]  We've got, yeah, nothing personal.
[01:06:40]  No, no, no.
[01:06:41]  It's fine.
[01:06:42]  I don't expect that everybody watches every episode that we do.
[01:06:46]  I can barely remember every episode that we've done.
[01:06:49]  But we have gotten this question a few times.
[01:06:51]  So he's saying, what would it take for you to interview Nick Fuentes?
[01:06:53]  And he follows up and adds a little more specificity.
[01:06:57]  I think this is insightful.
[01:06:58]  He said, would your reformed lens, So, my reformed theology framework clashes with his Catholic populism?
[01:07:08]  And if so, would that be a blessing?
[01:07:11]  Would it bless or bruise the flock?
[01:07:13]  And I think he's probably in reference to my local flock, the church that I pastor, but also he's probably thinking just Christians, the flock of God in the more universal sense.
[01:07:24]  So, Christians at large, would it be a blessing for the church, the capital C, church at large, for me to do an interview with Nick Fuentes?
[01:07:35]  And my answer is honestly, I don't know.
[01:07:38]  I don't know.
[01:07:39]  So the first question is, would you do it?
[01:07:41]  And my answer to that is yes.
[01:07:44]  Would it be a blessing?
[01:07:45]  My answer to that is, well, I would only do it because I think it has a great potential to be a blessing.
[01:07:51]  But I will be honest with everyone.
[01:07:53]  I don't want to sit here and be deceitful.
[01:07:57]  I don't know how it would go.
[01:07:58]  You know, like maybe it turns out that it's not helpful.
[01:08:01]  But I think that it would be.
[01:08:03]  And I think part of the reason why, to narrow in on that a little bit, is.
[01:08:08]  Because if I did an interview with Nick, it would be with a purpose.
[01:08:15]  It would have a specific purpose.
[01:08:17]  So I wouldn't be interviewing Nick to ask him a ton of questions about Catholicism.
[01:08:25]  Right?
[01:08:26]  Like we're going to have, for instance, we're going to have Dr. Charles Taylor.
[01:08:30]  Taylor Marshall.
[01:08:31]  Taylor Marshall.
[01:08:32]  Charles Taylor.
[01:08:33]  I don't know why I always.
[01:08:34]  I've done that multiple times now.
[01:08:36]  Taylor Marshall.
[01:08:37]  I apologize.
[01:08:38]  So Dr. Taylor Marshall, some of you guys may recognize the name.

=== Purposeful Interviews (06:53) ===

[01:08:41]  He's.
[01:08:42]  Got a fairly large following.
[01:08:43]  He's a Catholic guy who runs a podcast.
[01:08:48]  I don't think he's a priest.
[01:08:49]  Is he a priest?
[01:08:50]  No, he's not a priest, but devout Catholic.
[01:08:53]  And we're going to do an interview with him this next week.
[01:08:57]  I was talking to him yesterday and this morning a little bit.
[01:09:00]  And I'm excited about that.
[01:09:01]  He's got a lot of great cultural commentary, a lot of great political commentary, a lot of great put Israel in their place commentary.
[01:09:09]  I appreciate that.
[01:09:11]  He despises dispensationalism.
[01:09:14]  I too am a dispensationalist.
[01:09:16]  Disrespect her.
[01:09:17]  So, a lot in common there.
[01:09:19]  But he's Catholic and he's not kind of Catholic.
[01:09:22]  He's not cultural Catholic, you know, just cradle Catholic.
[01:09:25]  No, he is devoutly convicted Catholic.
[01:09:29]  And we'll probably talk about some of that.
[01:09:31]  But that's not the main point in having him on.
[01:09:33]  But we will talk about some of that.
[01:09:34]  But my point as it goes back to Nick, there's other guys I think that I would interview to have that conversation.
[01:09:40]  So, Dr. Taylor Marshall is a great example.
[01:09:46]  Or here's another one Calvin Robinson.
[01:09:48]  So he's not technically Roman Catholic, but he's trending that way in that direction.
[01:09:52]  He's been Anglo Catholic, but the Catholic piece looks like it continues to grow and the Anglo piece is continuing to shrink.
[01:10:00]  And we got a lot of flack for having him at our conference earlier this year, but we didn't back down and we were honored to have him with us.
[01:10:07]  He was a perfect gentleman.
[01:10:10]  I asked him, hey, you know, this is what I'd like you to talk about how a trash world in England, Great Britain, where he comes from, and what you've witnessed and how to stop it here.
[01:10:20]  He didn't get up there behind the podium.
[01:10:24]  And talk about being based in Mary Pilled.
[01:10:27]  Does he tweet that?
[01:10:29]  Yes, quite often.
[01:10:30]  He most certainly does.
[01:10:33]  But he honored that.
[01:10:34]  That's his Twitter account.
[01:10:35]  He does whatever he wants to do.
[01:10:37]  But we had him speak on a specific topic and he honored that.
[01:10:40]  And so, my point is if I want to talk about like Catholic doctrine, I'll get Calvin Robinson.
[01:10:46]  He's a friend and has been kind.
[01:10:50]  I could get Dr. Marshall Taylor.
[01:10:53]  Marshall Taylor Marshall.
[01:10:54]  I'll get him.
[01:10:57]  So, there's other guys.
[01:10:58]  So, my point is, would it be a blessing to have Nick?
[01:11:01]  Well, I think it depends on how it goes.
[01:11:04]  Depends on whether or not Nick has breakfast that morning.
[01:11:07]  How's he feeling?
[01:11:09]  No, it depends on Nick.
[01:11:10]  And I think Nick would be very respectful.
[01:11:12]  I really do.
[01:11:13]  But then, secondly, it depends what we talk about.
[01:11:16]  What's the purpose?
[01:11:18]  Are you having him just because he's a big name, or is there something really to talk about?
[01:11:23]  And I don't think a deep dive on the difference between Protestantism and Catholicism is the topic for Nick.
[01:11:32]  I would want to talk to him more about the plight of young men.
[01:11:35]  Particularly young white men in America.
[01:11:37]  I would want to talk to him about cancel culture.
[01:11:39]  I would want to talk to him about politics, about geopolitics.
[01:11:44]  I would want to talk to him about Israel.
[01:11:46]  I would want to talk to him about what he predicts, what he foresees as the future landscape, political landscape in America.
[01:11:55]  I would want to talk to him about political strategy.
[01:11:58]  I would want to talk to him about there's a lot of things.
[01:12:01]  So I think if I would interview him, yes.
[01:12:05]  And I've said that before, and I've gotten plenty of flack, and I don't care.
[01:12:09]  Like all these people giving me flack that you would interview Nick Fuentes.
[01:12:14]  I have friends who, of course, I'm not going to name, but they would, in a heartbeat, if they had the opportunity, sit down and do a podcast with Donald Trump.
[01:12:25]  And not just because he's president, they would have done it 11 years ago.
[01:12:29]  In a heartbeat, they would have said, but he's influential.
[01:12:32]  Like, yes, he's had three marriages, and yeah, he's an adulterer, and yeah, he slept with a porn star, and yeah, but they would say, but he's massively powerful and influential, and blah, blah, blah.
[01:12:44]  Why wouldn't I, as a pastor, want to have a conversation with a guy like that and talk to him about the Lord and try to influence him, but also hear from him, learn from him and his expertise?
[01:12:56]  Uh huh.
[01:12:57]  Uh huh.
[01:12:58]  Yeah, makes sense.
[01:13:00]  So why not Nick?
[01:13:02]  Why can't you talk to him?
[01:13:04]  He is the most influential person with men under the age of 40.
[01:13:09]  Why would a pastor not talk to Nick Fuentes if you have the opportunity?
[01:13:14]  I think that's foolish.
[01:13:17]  And that's not an objective calculus.
[01:13:20]  That's not like, well, I've thought about it objectively and logically, and I've come to this conclusion that it would be bad for the church.
[01:13:28]  No, you're not thinking about it objectively.
[01:13:32]  You're just programmed.
[01:13:33]  You're just, he's bad, he's icky, and I don't want to lose friends.
[01:13:39]  I don't want to lose the chief seats at the table.
[01:13:42]  If I have Nick on the show, I might not get invited to NatCon.
[01:13:47]  Let's just be honest.
[01:13:47]  That's, let's be real.
[01:13:49]  That's what it is.
[01:13:50]  It's not a moral decision.
[01:13:52]  It's not, it's not a biblical decision.
[01:13:55]  It's a, I'm afraid of what people will say decision.
[01:13:59]  And if you've been following this ministry for even the last 15 minutes, you should know by now I'm not afraid of what people will say.
[01:14:07]  I'm not.
[01:14:08]  So, yes, we'd be happy to do an interview with Nick Fuentes.
[01:14:12]  And I believe that he would be respectful and kind.
[01:14:16]  And, um, And in terms of it being a benefit to the flock, I'd only do it because I believe it has that potential.
[01:14:21]  And I think a lot of that depends on what we talk about.
[01:14:24]  And I think he would agree to talk about the things that I say, hey, Nick, I think this would be most helpful.
[01:14:31]  And I think he would probably say, oh, okay, that sounds good.
[01:14:33]  Yeah, let's talk about that.
[01:14:35]  All right, next.
[01:14:36]  Let's hit our second commercial break.
[01:14:37]  Okay, second commercial break.
[01:14:38]  I'm going to land a plane with the rest of you guys' questions.
[01:14:40]  Yep.
[01:14:40]  All right.
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[01:18:13]  Caleb Visser, would that be the right way?
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[01:18:20]  He asked this question How do you refute these topics when you are told to read old dead guys by my elders in my church and they are talking like you do?
[01:18:30]  That's a tough one.
[01:18:31]  You don't.
[01:18:33]  Yeah.
[01:18:34]  Not you don't read the old dead guys, but you don't refute these topics.
[01:18:38]  That's what it ultimately comes down to you have to, apart from convincing every single Christian in America that Christianity began in the 1940s, apart from that, then the pendulum will swing back.
[01:18:54]  Because anybody with eyes to see is going to start.
[01:18:58]  That's what happened, I think, in many cases.
[01:19:00]  That was a big part of it with Dr. Stephen Wolf.
[01:19:02]  Yeah.
[01:19:03]  So, like, Stephen Wolf wrote his book, and a lot of guys, myself included, were not in that theological realm team.
[01:19:13]  We weren't on that team.
[01:19:15]  But he wrote his book, and the big thing that he did was it wasn't just him espousing, here's my idea, but saying, just citing the whole corpus of the Reformed tradition.
[01:19:26]  Calvin, Luther, this guy, And as much as people tried, they couldn't make it go away.
[01:19:35]  They couldn't make it go away.
[01:19:37]  And all of a sudden, like within a couple of years, Stephen Wolfe became a household name for many young reformed men.
[01:19:46]  And they're like, yeah, Stephen Wolfe has a monopoly on the political philosophy of the reformers.
[01:19:56]  So I think if you go back, then.
[01:20:01]  Liberalism is done.
[01:20:03]  You go back and people start reading old dead guys, and it's over.
[01:20:09]  People will realize, oh, this is the way that everyone has always thought.
[01:20:13]  You know, there's an old expression.
[01:20:15]  I'm going to change it a little bit.
[01:20:17]  But, you know, you have, when it comes to history, you have two choices.
[01:20:22]  You can believe what your enemies say about your ancestors, or you can believe what your ancestors say about your enemies.
[01:20:30]  Yeah.
[01:20:30]  And, And the reality is that Christians have an obligation to believe the truth.
[01:20:37]  So if there is something that's clear and objective, then you believe that whichever way, whichever direction the truth points, even if it points unfavorably towards your ancestors, because let God be true and every man a liar.
[01:20:50]  But in those things which are highly contested and debatable, or where there's a strong reason to think that the historical record lied, then in those cases where it's unclear, I think that it is actually right.
[01:21:05]  And in line with the fifth commandment to honor your father and mother, to say, I'm not going to believe what people who hate me and hate my children say about my ancestors.
[01:21:16]  Instead, I'm going to believe what my ancestors said about these people.
[01:21:21]  So you have one group of people who hate you, hate your wife, hate your kids, and they say, Your great grandparents were dirty, rotten, racist.
[01:21:32]  And then you have your great grandparents who say, Actually, some of these foreign people.
[01:21:38]  Are not good to have in America.
[01:21:41]  I'm going to go with my great grandparents.
[01:21:43]  I think they were right.
[01:21:47]  And the foreigners were wrong about my great grandparents.
[01:21:54]  I think, practically, too, being read on a variety, like if the only thing you say is, but Luther wrote a book on the Jews and their lies, but Luther, but Luther, but Luther, if you're able to cite examples from different ages and different times, you're able to point to the early church, the homilies that were read, you're able to point to Augustine, to Calvin, to Luther, to Samuel Rutherford.
[01:22:12]  When you just bring to bear the weight, here's the reformers, here's the early church on feminism.
[01:22:18]  And like it's so many quotes from so many different guys and so many contexts that's just undeniable.
[01:22:23]  I think that that really helps build the case versus like I have Calvin, I've memorized everything from Calvin.
[01:22:28]  But when we're talking about these topics, all I can offer is, well, Calvin said this, well, Calvin said that.
[01:22:32]  But I think being broadly read and having a broad kind of scope and even acknowledging, like for example, like the Puritans, the Puritans were not preterists as it refers to Romans 11.
[01:22:41]  Right.
[01:22:41]  Because you straight up be honest, say, hey, no, some of them, and neither was Calvin.
[01:22:45]  Yep.
[01:22:46]  So, be honest, like, hey, they didn't necessarily hold my view.
[01:22:48]  This group of people, this contingent did, maybe on the minority report, maybe hopefully on the majority report.
[01:22:54]  They're just being honest and broadly read gives you the best practical chances of hopefully a wise older man going, yeah, actually, now that makes a lot of sense.
[01:23:02]  I see where you're coming from.
[01:23:04]  Well said.
[01:23:05]  And in that vein, Thomas Acorn and the book, Who is My Neighbor? is a great example of what you're describing of taking a massive encyclopedia.
[01:23:19]  I think it's right here.
[01:23:20]  Grab it.
[01:23:20]  Yeah, grab it real quick.
[01:23:22]  It's virtually the entire Western corpus and arguing again and again.
[01:23:27]  So, it's not just, well, John Calvin or Martin Luther, but it's arguing again and again and again how all of these guys, down through the ages, throughout all of Christendom, throughout all of Western civilization, believed and upheld the importance of natural affections, natural affections, again and again.
[01:23:49]  This guy, Turritin, says this, you know, and Athanasius says this, Augustine said this, again and again and again.
[01:23:57]  Can you show them, Wes?
[01:23:58]  Hold it up for the camera.
[01:23:59]  Just look at the print size.
[01:24:02]  Yeah.
[01:24:03]  Tiny print.
[01:24:06]  You can get the idea.
[01:24:07]  Yeah, you get the idea.
[01:24:08]  This is not size 14.
[01:24:09]  Show them the cover, real quick.
[01:24:11]  And it's 600 pages.
[01:24:13]  600 pages, about a million words on each page.
[01:24:18]  And they have a hardcover now.
[01:24:20]  Yes.
[01:24:21]  And who's the publisher?
[01:24:22]  I forget.
[01:24:23]  Western Front Books.
[01:24:24]  Western Front.
[01:24:25]  Yeah, they've been an advertiser.
[01:24:27]  They're great.
[01:24:28]  Based out of Texas, I believe.
[01:24:29]  Yes.
[01:24:30]  Yeah.
[01:24:30]  So great guys.
[01:24:32]  But even like the subtitle there, it says what?
[01:24:33]  Encyclopedia.
[01:24:35]  Of universally acknowledged norms among all human societies now largely forgotten.
[01:24:39]  Right, but up there in that right corner, top right corner, encyclopedia of natural relations.
[01:24:45]  Right.
[01:24:45]  So it's like the whole thing is on one topic, right?
[01:24:48]  Natural relations and answering that quintessential question of who is my neighbor?
[01:24:54]  And in terms of like who is my first devotion to?
[01:25:00]  And not just, well, I think this and one other guy thought, no, this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy.
[01:25:05]  And century after century after century, And when you read something like that, then when Owen Strand is twisting scripture and saying, Well, Jesus says those who do obey my commands are my mother and my brothers, and using that to say, Your kin and your countrymen don't matter at all.
[01:25:30]  Literally, we have no duty to preserve our ethnicity.
[01:25:33]  Right.
[01:25:33]  So, yeah, so when guys are twisting scripture, like that verse where Jesus does say that, That's the wrong application.
[01:25:41]  And they use that to basically say, like Lick and Duncan, that clip that's been going around where he says, Robert Godfrey.
[01:25:47]  Oh, it was Robert Godfrey.
[01:25:49]  Oh, that hurts.
[01:25:50]  That hurts.
[01:25:51]  But Robert Godfrey saying that basically America, you know, in short order will not be white.
[01:25:56]  That'll be a good thing.
[01:25:57]  Yeah, it was like white America needs to be done.
[01:25:59]  We need to be a multiracial society.
[01:26:01]  Yeah.
[01:26:02]  Yeah.
[01:26:02]  So when guys say that and then they try to twist the words of Jesus to support an anti white, Suicidal agenda.
[01:26:15]  It helps to be able to say, hey, you know what?
[01:26:18]  No one has ever thought this way in the history of not just Christendom, but the world.
[01:26:24]  Right.
[01:26:24]  Until the last few decades.
[01:26:28]  You're wrong.
[01:26:29]  Not because I think you're wrong.
[01:26:31]  It's not me versus Robert Godfrey.
[01:26:33]  It is 600 pages of every Christian thinker for 2,000 years.
[01:26:40]  Versus Robert Godfrey.
[01:26:41]  Yeah.
[01:26:42]  That's powerful.
[01:26:43]  If your elders have the hubris to look at it and go, you have no point whatsoever, then practically those aren't men that you should be submitted to.
[01:26:49]  You shouldn't fall for it.
[01:26:50]  There's a risk to your family if there's such pride to say, I'm going to look at all of that and I am smarter.
[01:26:55]  Well, you're a proud man and I shouldn't be in that church.
[01:26:59]  Well said.
[01:27:00]  Okay.
[01:27:00]  And then Philip Nathaniel, this is your friend, the guy who we were saying he gave us a Mondo super chat a while back.
[01:27:08]  He just gave us $20 more.
[01:27:09]  There's no message here, but just.
[01:27:11]  Giving us, you know, throwing us a bone.
[01:27:12]  We appreciate that, Philip.
[01:27:14]  And please know we are praying for your daughter, right?
[01:27:17]  It's a girl.
[01:27:17]  It's his daughter.
[01:27:18]  Praying for your daughter that she'll be able to keep down sustenance and that you guys get to go home soon.
[01:27:24]  Okay.
[01:27:25]  We had a couple questions.
[01:27:26]  That's all the super chats.
[01:27:27]  We always want to prioritize the super chats.
[01:27:29]  We've got a couple questions that we just thought were really good.
[01:27:33]  And so we're going to answer those and be done.
[01:27:35]  So, Wes, go ahead.
[01:27:36]  I'll pull out, we'll pull out two here.
[01:27:37]  This is from Jarrett, Jarrett, oh boy, Jarrett Ali Sainville.
[01:27:44]  Something.
[01:27:47]  Okay.
[01:27:47]  Yeah.
[01:27:48]  It does look a little bit like Neville.
[01:27:49]  Jarrett Neville.
[01:27:50]  Okay.
[01:27:51]  Question Is it prudent for me to instruct my children to not date or have close black friends?
[01:27:56]  I live in the South where their culture is in large measure highly diverse.
[01:28:00]  Degenerate.
[01:28:02]  The problem probably is more the context.
[01:28:04]  So, for example, like, well, my kid goes to public school.
[01:28:07]  So, a lot of their peer group is this.
[01:28:08]  And then my kid is in sports.
[01:28:09]  That's a lot of people that they're around.
[01:28:11]  And then their friends are this.
[01:28:12]  And you're worried about the degenerate influence.
[01:28:14]  The degenerate influence, in this case, it does happen to be, it sounds like black individuals.
[01:28:18]  The degenerate influence, the problem is all the people that they're spending time around.
[01:28:22]  So, in and of itself, it's not as though, well, there's a one to one correlation between every single black person and the degenerate behavior.
[01:28:28]  And if I cut all of that out, I would be perfectly fine.
[01:28:30]  We could send them to plenty of public schools that are terrible for them.
[01:28:33]  To be in.
[01:28:33]  Now, so in this case, you're saying, hey, a lot of the culture they're encountering, it's not good.
[01:28:37]  And I think it'd be permissible, like Paul would probably say to his children if he had them, or to Titus to instruct, all right, you know, the Cretans, they're brutes, they're beasts, they're liars, they're drunkards.
[01:28:48]  Yeah, try to keep your kids away from bad company.
[01:28:51]  So I think it's permissible to say, but more importantly than just kind of blanket categories, I think would be, well, the only place my children are interacting with, in this case, black people, it's church, it's homeschool, it's co op, it's friends of the family, and they're all good people.
[01:29:04]  That's more important than I think necessarily.
[01:29:06]  Here's a category ban.
[01:29:08]  So you can, of course, wisely say, hey, son, for one reason, you shouldn't, but like they're in public school.
[01:29:15]  Your friends need to be from church.
[01:29:16]  And so don't befriend them.
[01:29:17]  You can do that.
[01:29:18]  Practically the best way is to set it up.
[01:29:20]  And so they're interacting with people that are already people of good character.
[01:29:23]  Yeah, well said.
[01:29:24]  Yeah, it's remember per capita.
[01:29:27]  So there are terrible white people and there are wonderful black people.
[01:29:34]  Per capita, yes, black men commit more crime.
[01:29:38]  Of course.
[01:29:39]  And white women, or I'm sorry, black women commit more crime than white women.
[01:29:44]  And I think in terms of violent crime.
[01:29:46]  There's a couple homicide statistics where it's very close if black women, not even counting abortion, commit murder at greater rates than white men.
[01:29:53]  Which is really age groups.
[01:29:55]  Just to put that into perspective, that is astronomical because men, we are by design more aggressive.
[01:30:03]  So men are more predisposed when masculinity goes awry without self control.
[01:30:11]  Masculinity is like exponentially more prone towards violence than femininity.
[01:30:19]  But in the case, and so this is really saying something.
[01:30:22]  In the case of, you know, there's different statistics and it's close.
[01:30:26]  Some will say, you know, that white men are slightly above in terms of violent crime, black women.
[01:30:31]  And then some say, you know, black women slightly above white men.
[01:30:34]  But the fact that it's even debatable, the fact that, like, you're at that point, you're talking about men and women.
[01:30:41]  Yeah.
[01:30:43]  And within the black community, even the women rival the men in the white community in terms of violent crime.
[01:30:52]  I mean, that is just undeniable.
[01:30:56]  You have to do something with that.
[01:30:58]  And so, all that being said, I think Wes gave a great answer because, again, it's per capita.
[01:31:04]  So, are there plenty of white people I don't want my kids around?
[01:31:08]  And there are plenty of black people that I do want my kids around.
[01:31:11]  So, the question then is I would go even just more generalized.
[01:31:16]  I would say, I heard this said by someone once, and it really stuck with me.
[01:31:21]  I thought it was really insightful.
[01:31:22]  And he said that the notion that our children, young children, and even teenagers, the notion that they need a lot of FaceTime with their peers is just wrong on its face.
[01:31:36]  And it's a very novel idea.
[01:31:41]  Like society, you know, you think of like Western civilization has held for centuries that young people, children, they don't need to be influenced by other children.
[01:31:55]  They need to be shaped by maturity.
[01:31:57]  They need to be around adults.
[01:31:59]  A young boy, it's like, oh, you know what he needs?
[01:32:04]  My 12 year old boy, he just needs hours upon hours upon hours of time with a bunch of other 12 year old boys.
[01:32:13]  No, he doesn't.
[01:32:14]  He needs to be with men, he needs to be uprooted and removed from the boyhood influence because you're shaping him towards something.

=== Shaping Black Children (02:43) ===

[01:32:26]  So I would just say, like, with your children, Put your children in the proper context.
[01:32:31]  Don't put your, like, you should not, in 2025, if you're a Christian, your kids are in public school, you are making a serious mistake.
[01:32:40]  I think that's what.
[01:32:41]  Which very much so may not be the case.
[01:32:42]  We're not saying, nor do we have any indication he is.
[01:32:44]  Yeah, not with that.
[01:32:45]  Not with this guy who wrote it.
[01:32:47]  But I'm just saying, as a general rule, your kids should not be in public school.
[01:32:51]  And your kids should not be just hanging out with friends in the neighborhood that are their age for hours and hours on end.
[01:32:59]  Your kids should be homeschooled or in a private Christian classical school.
[01:33:05]  They should be in church.
[01:33:07]  So basically, what I'm saying is like my kids do hang out with other kids their age, but they're kids from school, Christian school, that's run by a church that's very like minded or other families in our church.
[01:33:19]  And when they're around these kids, it's always in a family context.
[01:33:23]  It's our whole family is going to spend time with these two or three other families.
[01:33:28]  So mom and dad are right there.
[01:33:32]  And so.
[01:33:33]  In that scenario, it's like if we've got a black family in the church, but they're covenant members in our church, that's not, that's not, that black family is not listening to 50 Cent, you know, and driving an Impala, you know, and shooting up with spooners.
[01:33:50]  Yeah, that's not the kind of black family that they're around.
[01:33:54]  No, this is a God fearing, wonderful black family with wonderful black children.
[01:33:59]  And my children, of course, can be their friends.
[01:34:01]  But with those black children and the white children in my church, Even then, my children are not going to be spending seven hours just in the backyard hanging out with them with no parental supervision.
[01:34:14]  Even with, like, my kids are itty bitty.
[01:34:16]  So even at the age of three and four, we have had a rule, even with families when the mom and dad and me and my wife are in the house together, having families getting together, doing a dinner or a play date or whatever it is.
[01:34:29]  Even then, at the age of three and four, we've had a rule no going into the bedrooms, or if you do, no closing the door.
[01:34:36]  Why?
[01:34:36]  Because my four year old is going to play, spin the bottle?
[01:34:41]  No.
[01:34:43]  But we just want from the very beginning that there's certain places we don't go, there's certain things we don't do.
[01:34:50]  We're training them young that no, our children are not going, the biggest influence in their life will not be their peers.
[01:34:58]  I don't want children to be the biggest influence in my children.
[01:35:03]  I want God fearing, mature adults to be the biggest influence in my children.
[01:35:08]  I think that's the name of the game.

=== Felons As Servants (02:06) ===

[01:35:10]  Was there one more question you wanted to do?
[01:35:11]  Yeah.
[01:35:11]  Can you pull it up, Nate?
[01:35:13]  Christ Servant 7.
[01:35:14]  I remember it.
[01:35:15]  Good brother.
[01:35:16]  There we go.
[01:35:17]  Christ Servant 7.
[01:35:18]  What about those Christians?
[01:35:19]  So, this is in reference to your criteria for voting and specifically not a felon.
[01:35:23]  What about those Christians who have caught a felony walking as a Christian?
[01:35:26]  Truly, we have had this in our churches locally in Illinois.
[01:35:29]  So, he's basically saying, Your criteria for voting is this.
[01:35:31]  Imagine a Christian man that meets every other criteria, but back during COVID or back during BLM, the state came in and said, You're a felon because of, and he was doing something good and right and biblical.
[01:35:43]  And it sounds like he has a literal example.
[01:35:46]  I would say.
[01:35:46]  Like John MacArthur is a felon for opening this church.
[01:35:49]  Yep, exactly.
[01:35:50]  We have legal categories for this.
[01:35:52]  They're called expungement.
[01:35:53]  And then a kind of lesser degree of that is sealing records.
[01:35:56]  Now, the distinction is there are crimes that can't be sealed.
[01:35:58]  So think of something that you'd have to register as an offender for.
[01:36:01]  That's actually not a crime that legally by law someone can go in and expunge.
[01:36:05]  Well, we're just going to take that off of your record.
[01:36:07]  However, in this scenario, if we're talking about, well, it was trespassing because the state told you that you can't be in your business or you can't be in church or endangerment of others, something, a lower level charge, still felon, still bad, but It's not offenses against children.
[01:36:22]  It's not violent manslaughter or something like that.
[01:36:24]  I think a civil magistrate, to answer the question, our nation changes drastically.
[01:36:29]  That man says, hey, 10 years ago during COVID, I took a stand.
[01:36:33]  Can I have this felony removed?
[01:36:35]  And I think a wise, godly magistrate says, absolutely.
[01:36:38]  And we have that system and we use it, use that tool.
[01:36:42]  You take the record and you take that out and say, this wasn't actually valid and you no longer are considered a felon in this category.
[01:36:49]  Now, In a past life, he literally murdered someone.
[01:36:52]  He got off the hook.
[01:36:53]  There's no retributive justice.
[01:36:54]  The state's not coming in, throwing him back in jail.
[01:36:57]  He comes and says, Hey, can I get this off my record so I can vote?
[01:36:59]  I think the state has a responsibility to say, We're glad that you're a Christian now.
[01:37:03]  We're glad you meet the other criteria.
[01:37:05]  You're married, you're net taxpayer.
[01:37:06]  But actually, no, we're not going to take you off of this because the seriousness of this was not simply something.
[01:37:12]  This was weaponized against me.
[01:37:14]  I truly didn't do anything wrong by the Bible standards.

=== Restoring New Creatures (03:06) ===

[01:37:16]  Yeah, that's a great answer.
[01:37:18]  And then for those things that should not be expunged, like what you mentioned, like murder or.
[01:37:24]  Or some kind of serious assault or something sexual.
[01:37:29]  In those cases, we would just say, like if you're talking about the guy was an unbeliever, and then years later was converted, and now has been walking with the Lord for a decade, and his crime is 20 years removed.
[01:37:44]  We would just say, in those cases, absolute full pardon and forgiveness in terms of his standing before God on the basis of the finished work of Jesus Christ.
[01:37:56]  But there are still temporal consequences.
[01:37:59]  Right.
[01:38:00]  So, and that matters.
[01:38:01]  So, your salvation, the fact that you're a Christian now, that means you are a new creature in Christ Jesus, which is incredible.
[01:38:12]  And that's real.
[01:38:13]  That is a real change.
[01:38:15]  You are a new creature in Christ Jesus.
[01:38:18]  But salvation does not take away the temporal consequences, it doesn't change that.
[01:38:26]  And so, Those things would remain, and you would be a God fearing Christian doing a lot of good in the world for your country, but who is unable to vote.
[01:38:36]  And that's okay.
[01:38:37]  All right.
[01:38:38]  Thanks for tuning in.
[01:38:39]  We hope that this has been helpful for you.
[01:38:40]  We hope you have a wonderful weekend on Sunday, on the Lord's Day.
[01:38:45]  You better be in church, even if your church is not great.
[01:38:51]  Find a good church.
[01:38:52]  If you can't find one, though, it's just vital.
[01:38:56]  Go and worship with the saints.
[01:38:57]  Keep trying.
[01:38:58]  Keep searching, keep looking for a church.
[01:39:01]  Your butt needs to be in a pew on the Lord's Day, worshiping with Christians, even Christians you disagree with.
[01:39:09]  That is the beauty of the body of Christ is that we are one in Christ Jesus, even with brothers and sisters who are wrong, even on things that matter.
[01:39:18]  But no man is an island.
[01:39:20]  So go to church this Sunday.
[01:39:23]  I want to see in the chat on Monday on the live stream, I want to see people saying, Got back from church.
[01:39:28]  I was in church.
[01:39:29]  Yep.
[01:39:31]  I've been driving a golf cart in the neighborhood recently, and the kids love it.
[01:39:36]  And we're just cruising.
[01:39:38]  And I'm tempted, because when I drive it, there's something, and this is not really my normal.
[01:39:43]  Nature, but something just comes over me where I feel like I need to have like a vest and a whistle around my neck, like a full hall monitor status.
[01:39:52]  I want to just be driving through the neighborhood, you know, and just see somebody blowing the whistle.
[01:39:57]  Hey, Christ is King.
[01:40:00]  Hey, Christ is King.
[01:40:01]  Go to church.
[01:40:02]  It's the Lord's Day.
[01:40:04]  Lord's Day tomorrow.
[01:40:05]  It better be.
[01:40:05]  Yeah, Lord's Day tomorrow.
[01:40:06]  If it's the Lord's Day, then I'm not going to be on the golf cart, but maybe the day before, you know, prepping the neighborhood for the Lord's Day.
[01:40:11]  Hey, Christ is King.
[01:40:12]  Better be.
[01:40:13]  Sounds going down.
[01:40:14]  Get that meal ready for tomorrow.
[01:40:15]  Try and get the meal ready.
[01:40:16]  Sabbatarian.
[01:40:18]  All right.
[01:40:18]  Well, thank you guys for tuning in.
[01:40:19]  We appreciate it.
[01:40:20]  And we will see you again, Lord willing, on Monday.