NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The United States of Israel
Aired: 2025-08-04
Duration: 01:17:40


=== Unforced Errors vs Strategy (15:32) ===

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[00:00:30]  The United States of Israel, or MIGA.
[00:00:33]  Make Israel great again.
[00:00:36]  Got what I voted for.
[00:00:39]  Yeah, it doesn't feel very good.
[00:00:42]  All right, so I want to go ahead and just take you down memory lane for a moment.
[00:00:48]  Okay, back during the election, as Donald Trump is running for president in 2024, we encouraged many who were listening to vote for Trump.
[00:00:59]  All right, so I'm not going to pretend that that didn't happen.
[00:01:01]  Of course, that happened.
[00:01:02]  You can go back.
[00:01:03]  That's the internet, right?
[00:01:04]  The internet.
[00:01:05]  Is forever.
[00:01:06]  We encourage people, given the lay of the land, right, Trump versus Kamala, that we thought voting for Trump was the better choice.
[00:01:15]  I still think that.
[00:01:17]  But I also caveated, right?
[00:01:19]  So we weren't completely blind.
[00:01:21]  I also caveated and added some necessary disclaimers.
[00:01:25]  And I want to start this episode by reminding you of some of the things that we said.
[00:01:28]  So let's go ahead, go down memory lane, play a short clip from 2024.
[00:01:34]  My point is like guys are, you know, concerned about Zionism and those kinds of things.
[00:01:38]  And I'm no fan of Zionism.
[00:01:39]  I Get in trouble about it fairly often.
[00:01:43]  But I just, you tell me if you think I'm wrong, but I would just say that the lay of the land right now in the year of our Lord 2024, there is no serious political candidate at the federal level, especially not the presidential level, that's not going to be some form, you know, color or stripe of Zionist.
[00:02:03]  That's just where we're at.
[00:02:04]  And so you take the best option that you can and make the political arguments, and things change over time.
[00:02:13]  So true, King.
[00:02:14]  Well said.
[00:02:15]  Well said, Joel.
[00:02:16]  Thanks, Joel.
[00:02:17]  Yeah, that's how I felt at the time.
[00:02:20]  And I said explicitly that.
[00:02:23]  I didn't sit there and pretend, oh, yeah, Trump isn't a Zionist.
[00:02:27]  Oh, Trump's never gone to the magical wall and worn the magical hat and kissed the wall and said the magical incantation.
[00:02:35]  Of course he had.
[00:02:36]  Trump has Jewish grandchildren, right?
[00:02:38]  All these things are publicly known.
[00:02:39]  We know them now and we knew them then.
[00:02:41]  And we said as much.
[00:02:43]  Then, so that was not the argument.
[00:02:44]  The argument wasn't, hey, you know what?
[00:02:46]  Trump is truly America first with no ties whatsoever to Netanyahu or this, that, or the other.
[00:02:53]  No, it was Trump has done, in the providence of God, much good.
[00:02:58]  And number one, we want to honor him as best we can and be grateful for those things and prayerful and hopeful that he could do more good.
[00:03:06]  And yet, his shortcomings are glaring and we are perfectly aware of them.
[00:03:11]  And given our choices, we think that Trump is the best way.
[00:03:15]  To go.
[00:03:16]  Now, that said, there was one more thing that I mentioned during the election cycle leading up to Trump's landslide victory, and it was this I said that yes, even during the election cycle, during the campaign trail, we need to be honest about Trump's shortcomings, especially as Christians, right?
[00:03:36]  Because we are morally obligated to speak the truth.
[00:03:40]  But once he's elected, there is a shift, not in truth, not in principle, but a shift in Tactics, a shift in strategy.
[00:03:50]  And I said, and I want to stand by it and hold to it, that if and when Trump was elected, and we thought that he would be, that once he was elected, then the job of the Christian shifts to now we must be calling him to account, right?
[00:04:07]  He's now in the White House.
[00:04:09]  The Kamala potential crisis has been averted.
[00:04:13]  Praise God.
[00:04:14]  If I could go back, would you vote for him again?
[00:04:16]  Yes, if I could go back in a time machine, I would vote for him again.
[00:04:20]  Would I vote for him if He somehow, you know, was given, you know, the Constitution was amended and he was up for the potential of a third election.
[00:04:28]  Well, I don't, it depends who he's running against.
[00:04:30]  If there's somebody better who's actually America first, truly America, then no, I would not vote for Trump again.
[00:04:36]  But do I regret, given the lay of the land, that I voted for him this last time?
[00:04:40]  Absolutely not.
[00:04:41]  But now that he's no longer on the campaign trail, now that he is firmly placed in the White House, he's not running to be president, he is president.
[00:04:49]  I said then, and I'm going to confirm and reaffirm now, that now is the time for Christians.
[00:04:56]  To chimp.
[00:04:57]  Now is the time for Christians to speak out and say, Mr. President, I voted for you.
[00:05:04]  I'm praying for you.
[00:05:06]  I appreciate you.
[00:05:07]  You don't have to be rude.
[00:05:08]  You don't have to be disrespectful.
[00:05:10]  I appreciate you.
[00:05:11]  I'm praying for you.
[00:05:13]  But also, we voted for America first, not Israel first.
[00:05:20]  It's kind of funny.
[00:05:21]  I mean, it's ultimately sad, but you can find a little dark side of humor in this.
[00:05:28]  Trump will go down and be remembered as he's the guy who renamed the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, right?
[00:05:37]  W's in the chat, boys.
[00:05:38]  Hashtag, we're winning.
[00:05:40]  We're so back.
[00:05:41]  Yeah, but he also might go down as the guy who renamed the country.
[00:05:44]  He renamed the Gulf the Gulf of America, but he might have renamed the country the United States of Israel.
[00:05:51]  And we have to sit with that for a second.
[00:05:54]  Now, I'm not saying that Trump is the first Zionist in the White House.
[00:05:57]  I mean, look at the Bushes, look at the Clintons, look at everybody that we've had for the last.
[00:06:01]  40, 50 years.
[00:06:03]  So I don't want to say Trump right now is making a mistake.
[00:06:06]  It's an unforced error in my assessment.
[00:06:08]  That said, I don't want to pretend that he's unique.
[00:06:10]  I don't think that's fair.
[00:06:12]  I don't think it's fair to say, man, Trump is uniquely Zionist.
[00:06:16]  And when I look at Washington, D.C., I mean, nobody else is a Zionist.
[00:06:19]  It's just him.
[00:06:20]  Yeah, right.
[00:06:21]  Yeah, right.
[00:06:22]  And that was my whole point.
[00:06:23]  The clip that we just showed you was to say that in the year of our Lord 2024, at the time of his election, there was no non Zionist option, serious, viable candidate running for president.
[00:06:34]  Of the United States.
[00:06:35]  It wasn't, hey, you could have a Zionist or not a Zionist.
[00:06:37]  No, it was just, which Zionist do you want?
[00:06:40]  And yeah, I pick the Trump Zionist over the Kamala Zionist.
[00:06:44]  Yes.
[00:06:45]  That said, he is president now.
[00:06:47]  The election is secure.
[00:06:49]  We need to be looking forward to 2028, and we need to make it plain that this is not going to be the future of our country.
[00:06:58]  This is not, no, we're not doing MIGA.
[00:07:00]  We are not doing the United States of Israel.
[00:07:04]  Last thing I'll say in this opening, and then we'll get to the show.
[00:07:07]  Last thing is this there is a difference in an unforced error versus politically campaigning and playing the game and being a little bit strategic or shrewd.
[00:07:20]  There's a wide gulf of difference between those two options.
[00:07:27]  So I think of the fight for the unborn, right?
[00:07:32]  This ministry, we are resolute against abortion and not just mitigating abortion or relegating abortion.
[00:07:38]  We want abortion to be.
[00:07:40]  Abolished.
[00:07:41]  And we believe, my position is that the only way to abolish abortion is to have equal protection.
[00:07:47]  Equal protection, the same protections you would have for the born should be the same protections you have for the unborn.
[00:07:54]  And what that means is just to break it down, make it real plain so that I'm not mincing words equal protection means equal penalties.
[00:08:01]  Whatever the legal penalty is for someone who takes a five year old child into a back alley and kills them, that should be the penalty for everyone involved in abortion.
[00:08:11]  The husband or the boyfriend or the father, the uncle who might be coercing, and the doctor, aka the hitman, the person you are paying to kill a human being.
[00:08:21]  And the mother.
[00:08:24]  Yes, actually, women commit sin.
[00:08:26]  And here's you know, you're a misogynist.
[00:08:29]  Let me prove that I'm not.
[00:08:30]  I think so highly of women that I think that they're actually morally culpable.
[00:08:35]  That's how highly I think of women.
[00:08:37]  I actually don't think that they're stupid.
[00:08:39]  I actually do think that a woman is intelligent enough and morally responsible enough to bear that responsibility for the conscious decision of murdering her own child in the womb.
[00:08:51]  So, yes, I think that she should be punished too.
[00:08:53]  But that was one of the big things on the campaign trail, just to again, memory lane, go back to 2024.
[00:08:58]  Trump's running for election, and there were many Christians, like minded Christians, who I have a relationship with, who I respect, who I appreciate.
[00:09:06]  And a lot of them were saying, do not vote for Trump because he was stepping back, noticeably stepping back in his rhetoric on the issue of the sanctity of life.
[00:09:17]  He seemed to be more comfortable with abortion than he had previously been, not even close to wanting to abolish it, but.
[00:09:25]  And we knew that wasn't going to happen, but stepping back even more from where he previously was.
[00:09:30]  And so, guys were saying, well, we need to withhold our vote.
[00:09:33]  Don't vote for Trump.
[00:09:34]  And they weren't saying, oh, so therefore vote for Kamala.
[00:09:36]  They were saying, no, just don't vote at all.
[00:09:37]  Of course, Kamala is not qualified, but neither is Trump if he won't take a stand explicitly on the campaign trail for the unborn.
[00:09:47]  Now, here's the deal Well, Trump hasn't abolished abortion.
[00:09:50]  Trump can't abolish abortion.
[00:09:52]  Can't.
[00:09:54]  It's different saying Trump has not done this positive thing that we want him to do.
[00:09:59]  Versus saying Trump is committing an unforced error.
[00:10:04]  See, an unforced error is when you're doing a negative thing you don't have to do, right?
[00:10:10]  There's a difference in he's not doing the positive thing I want him to do when a decent argument can be made that his hands are tied and that he doesn't even have the judicial or executive power in order to do that thing you want him to do.
[00:10:23]  So it's different.
[00:10:23]  There's a positive thing I want Trump to do, AKA abolishing abortion, and he's not doing it.
[00:10:31]  That's different, especially if he can't do it.
[00:10:34]  That's different than there's this terrible thing that he doesn't even have to do.
[00:10:39]  It's completely unforced error.
[00:10:41]  He doesn't have to do it at all, and he's voluntarily going out of his way to do it with no clear incentive, nothing to gain.
[00:10:50]  It's not a tit for tat, it's not a trade.
[00:10:53]  There's literally nothing to gain, there's nothing forcing him to do it, and he's voluntarily committing an unforced error.
[00:11:02]  So, what am I referencing?
[00:11:03]  You've probably seen it already.
[00:11:04]  It's been all over social media today.
[00:11:07]  Trump has just come out and said that any city or state that doesn't support Israel will not be eligible for federal funds when it comes to disaster relief.
[00:11:21]  What?
[00:11:23]  You don't have to say that.
[00:11:25]  You don't have to say that.
[00:11:26]  Nobody's making you say that.
[00:11:28]  Well, maybe behind the scenes in the dark echo chambers of, you know, Netanyahu, you know, is.
[00:11:33]  Okay, so.
[00:11:34]  Yeah, I'm sure somebody wants you to say that.
[00:11:36]  Israel probably wants you to say that.
[00:11:38]  But what does Israel have?
[00:11:41]  What can they do for us?
[00:11:43]  What can they give to us?
[00:11:46]  That is a completely unforced error.
[00:11:48]  So, I would say two distinctions from the issue of life and this issue with Israel.
[00:11:53]  One, the timing.
[00:11:54]  There's a difference in someone being shrewd with their rhetoric during a campaign when they need to get elected, okay?
[00:12:03]  Versus they're in the White House, they are secure, and they've already won the election.
[00:12:07]  And then also, there's a difference between someone not doing the positive thing you want them to do because they can't, versus them doing the negative thing.
[00:12:17]  You don't want them to do that, they don't have to do completely unforced error.
[00:12:22]  Here we are, and so we said, Vote for Trump.
[00:12:26]  We're voting for Trump.
[00:12:27]  If your conscience is bound, then follow your conscience, have a clear conscience before the Lord.
[00:12:33]  But for all those who were open to hear our arguments, we made a positive argument for Christians, despite Trump's rhetoric on life, to vote for Donald Trump.
[00:12:44]  We voted for him, we encourage you to do the same.
[00:12:46]  But even when we did that, we gave the disclaimers and saying, There are some problems.
[00:12:52]  And then we also said the most important disclaimer once elected, if and once elected, then the tactics, the strategy shifts for the people of God to now respectfully, honorably, but forcefully call him to account.
[00:13:08]  We're not trying to get Trump elected anymore.
[00:13:11]  At this point, he's in the office.
[00:13:13]  What we do now is we hold him accountable.
[00:13:16]  What we do as Christians now is always be chimping.
[00:13:20]  And if you think, well, that doesn't make any difference and you're just going to, you know, have egg on your face, you know, when.
[00:13:25]  Turns out that Trump was playing 400 and 32D chess, and he proves all the naysayers wrong.
[00:13:32]  Maybe, maybe, I think people give a little bit more 4D chess credit to Trump than he necessarily merits.
[00:13:41]  But maybe he comes around, maybe he surprises us.
[00:13:43]  And just to be clear, giving the disclaimers now, that's what we're praying for, that's what we're hoping for.
[00:13:47]  And if that's the case, great, great.
[00:13:50]  And we'll come back out and we'll congratulate President Trump and thank him for his service.
[00:13:55]  But as it sits now, As it sits now, he is committing, I believe, a serious, unforced error and plainly saying to the American people that Israel comes first.
[00:14:06]  And so we should hold him accountable.
[00:14:10]  And for anybody who thinks that it makes you look bad, or even more than that, that it's just ineffective, you're wrong.
[00:14:17]  Over Christmas just last year with H 1B visas and Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk, you know, all this language, you know, da da da da.
[00:14:25]  And the people just lost it.
[00:14:28]  The people.
[00:14:28]  People, the American people, blew up all the social media channels and said, no, no, no, no.
[00:14:34]  And what happened?
[00:14:36]  They listened.
[00:14:37]  That doesn't even mean they changed their minds.
[00:14:39]  But our elites, when they realized the people detest what they're doing, backpedaled.
[00:14:47]  They actually changed.
[00:14:48]  You actually do have influence, you actually do have power.
[00:14:51]  If enough of us speak out and say, Trump, we love you, we appreciate you, we're praying for you, we voted for you.
[00:14:59]  Please stop this.
[00:15:00]  Do not do this.
[00:15:02]  If enough people come out, Trump will listen.
[00:15:06]  That doesn't mean he changes his mind, but he will listen.
[00:15:10]  Because here's the thing about Trump, and we all know this Trump is not an ideologue.
[00:15:13]  He doesn't actually have sound convictions.
[00:15:16]  The only convictions that he might have that are actually grounded, steadfast, unwavering, would probably have a lot more to do with tariffs or economic policies.
[00:15:25]  But when it comes to some of these moral policies, like the unborn or like relations with a foreign government, Right?

=== Can Trump Listen to Us (02:28) ===

[00:15:32]  Having our nation in a stranglehold.
[00:15:34]  I don't think that Trump is ideologically on either side of the fence.
[00:15:39]  I think Trump just, he's an opportunist.
[00:15:41]  He's a pragmatist.
[00:15:42]  He does whatever he thinks is right.
[00:15:44]  And so, because he's not actually rooted in an ideology, in a conviction, he responds to the people.
[00:15:51]  He is, after all, a populist president.
[00:15:54]  And he's been as successful as he's been because he is the kind of president, he is the kind of man who has his ear to the ground, who listens, who hears, who instinctively knows what the people are thinking, knows what they're saying, knows what they want.
[00:16:08]  And so, we need to make it clear.
[00:16:10]  And he actually is the kind of man who I believe might shift course, change course, turn around.
[00:16:17]  And that's what we're going to be doing.
[00:16:18]  in this episode.
[00:16:20]  Tune in now.
[00:16:30]  We're so back and we're so over.
[00:16:32]  There's always a little bit of two.
[00:16:34]  That's the eternal tension, the yin and yang.
[00:16:37]  The yin and yang between it's so over, we're so back.
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[00:16:44]  Monday afternoon?
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[00:17:30]  Antonio and Wes.
[00:17:31]  All right, so as we were preparing for this on the golf cart, you know, we were talking, you know, workshopping a little bit, getting an idea for today's episode and The two of you, um, yeah, it would sharp dispute.
[00:17:43]  Yeah, you were not seeing eye to eye, and I appreciate it because, for one, I think it makes for an interesting, engaging episode.
[00:17:49]  And so, I would just love to hear you guys hash it out, and then you know, I could come in and tell you why you're both wrong, you know, very above it all kind of way, you know, as all reform ministers do.

=== Duty to Voice Disagreement (15:31) ===

[00:18:01]  Well, I'm neither this nor that, I'm above it all.
[00:18:04]  Um, I'm not really, I don't really like conferences, and then a week later, like, so my conference, like, so I can do that.
[00:18:11]  Um, but first, I think you guys should go at it a little bit.
[00:18:14]  Well, let's set the stage for what is actually going on, what spurned this news.
[00:18:17]  And when I say people are chimping online, people are chimping.
[00:18:20]  Pretty much everyone is like, what in the world are we doing here?
[00:18:23]  And specifically, what we're relating to, as you alluded to in the Cold Open, Joel, I almost said Trump for some reason, as you alluded to, Joel, is that a FEMA document came out and it's referring to about $1.9 billion in emergency disaster preparation funds.
[00:18:36]  We're not talking about relief after the event has happened.
[00:18:39]  So it's not saying your city's drowning, too bad, you have to support Israel.
[00:18:42]  We're talking about disaster preparedness.
[00:18:44]  And there's been two big stories.
[00:18:45]  That have really driven this on a lot of people's minds, namely the hurricane in North Carolina and the floods in Texas.
[00:18:50]  Those emphasize how important it is within a matter of hours to be able to respond, to have assets on the ground, to have food, blankets, water, all of that.
[00:18:59]  So you have $1.9 billion that FEMA has.
[00:19:01]  And one thing that they've added to the guidelines, they've added a number of different things, but it is right now, per the Trump administration, per, I think it might be Homeland Security, Christy Nome, is they came out with guidelines.
[00:19:12]  And part of those guidelines, for one, it removed none of these states or cities.
[00:19:16]  I think states or cities.
[00:19:17]  A city is going to have an emergency preparedness department.
[00:19:20]  And a state is also going to have one as well.
[00:19:22]  If you have smaller states, they're obviously going to need less.
[00:19:24]  Bigger states like Texas, they're going to need more.
[00:19:26]  But neither states nor cities, they can't have diversity, equity, and inclusion offices.
[00:19:31]  And so part of this is going and saying, hey, if you're going to take our funds, you can't be a DEI hotspot.
[00:19:36]  You can't be a sanctuary city.
[00:19:38]  And I'll come right out and say, hey, that's a good thing.
[00:19:40]  But then there's this little throwaway line, not so throwaway because the internet has a hold of it now, but there's this throwaway line from the guidelines, and I'm going to read it for you here in its entirety.
[00:19:49]  So it's in the anti discrimination section, section 1D.
[00:19:53]  Discriminatory prohibited boycott.
[00:19:56]  So, this is what the recipients of the funds, states or cities, what they cannot do.
[00:20:00]  They cannot discriminatorily boycott.
[00:20:04]  Discriminatory prohibited boycott means refusing to deal, cutting commercial relations, so ending a business relation, or otherwise limiting commercial relations specifically with Israeli companies or with companies doing business in or with Israel or authorized by, licensed by, or organized under.
[00:20:24]  The laws of Israel to do business.
[00:20:26]  So at this point, we're not even talking about the Israeli states.
[00:20:29]  We're not talking about, hey, if for some reason you have a contract with the IDF, you can't end or terminate that.
[00:20:35]  We're talking about companies that could be headquartered in Israel.
[00:20:38]  A plain reading of this would literally mean doing business with Israel.
[00:20:42]  So if you have a business, it could be BlackRock, and they're doing business in Israel.
[00:20:47]  Theoretically, under this discriminatory statute, you would not be able to terminate, cut down your customer relations with them.
[00:20:55]  And so, so many people are coming out and saying, this is insane that one country.
[00:21:00]  Is being spelled out in disaster relief guidelines.
[00:21:03]  We're not talking international policy.
[00:21:05]  We're not talking arms.
[00:21:06]  We're not talking military.
[00:21:07]  In our disaster relief for United States, states, and cities, there is a clause in here that they cannot cease, boycott, divest doing any business with, not even just the Israeli government, but companies that have relations to, are headquartered in, or otherwise a part of Israel.
[00:21:24]  And so many people are just pointing out this just seems hypocritical.
[00:21:28]  Trump ran on make America.
[00:21:30]  Great again.
[00:21:31]  And so that's the backlash, that's the headline, that's the news.
[00:21:34]  This is, of course, it's numerous examples from this administration of clear favoritism for one country.
[00:21:41]  The Speaker of the House, I mean, he just closed down the House, they went into recess, and his first stop was the Wailing Wall to throw on a hat and deliver a speech.
[00:21:50]  A lot of people are fed up with it.
[00:21:53]  I don't think blackpilled would be necessarily the right word, but I think the tide is turning quicker than a lot of people think.
[00:21:58]  I'm going to hand it to Antonio to kind of maybe open with the other side.
[00:22:01]  I think the tide is turning quick.
[00:22:03]  And what we have actually is a crisis potentially on the right wing.
[00:22:06]  We've talked before about there's Republican and there's conservative.
[00:22:10]  And then there's kind of what is actually America first.
[00:22:12]  There's Christian nationalism.
[00:22:13]  And there's a rift that's coming, I think, quicker than anybody knows.
[00:22:16]  And even six months ago, we were looking at a different story.
[00:22:20]  But what we're looking at now as these things pile up is a generational shifting paradigm, in my opinion.
[00:22:25]  Yeah.
[00:22:26]  I'm going to pass it over to Antonio, though.
[00:22:28]  Kind of lay out maybe what you would, I don't know if you would counter or you would differ, how you take this news.
[00:22:33]  Well, I'll just say two things at the outset.
[00:22:34]  I think by disposition, I have an eternal white pill.
[00:22:37]  And so I'm prone to seeing the optimism despite many things that would suggest I'm eating crow at the moment.
[00:22:45]  So I'll say that.
[00:22:46]  I'll also say that on its face, I disagree with this kind of resolution.
[00:22:52]  I disagree with, obviously, as Wes indicated, spelling out a specific country and as a consequence, turning down much needed funds from American cities, American citizens who would need that.
[00:23:07]  But all that to say, you know, as you talk about trust the plan, should I trust the plan?
[00:23:11]  Well, in order to answer that question, we have to know what the plan was in the first place.
[00:23:16]  What did we elect Trump to do?
[00:23:17]  What did we elect him in 2016 to do?
[00:23:19]  What did we elect him in 2024 to do?
[00:23:21]  Make Israel great again.
[00:23:23]  Right.
[00:23:23]  No, but like, we certainly didn't elect Trump to sever a relationship with Israel.
[00:23:29]  I thought we elected him to make sure that Bibby got free laundry service at the White House.
[00:23:35]  I think that was earmarked.
[00:23:38]  That was earmarked in the, yeah.
[00:23:40]  At the bottom of the box.
[00:23:42]  Yeah.
[00:23:43]  But no, I think more specifically, it's like we can't, obviously, we have a duty as constituents who disagree with acts that Trump does to voice that disagreement.
[00:23:53]  I'm not saying we're yes men.
[00:23:54]  I'm not saying we're, I think, particularly as sort of a Christian movement, we ought to call balls and strikes with respect to what Trump does.
[00:24:03]  But all that to say that, you know, Trump has done a lot of the things that he promised to do.
[00:24:11]  You have to remember, we, or you should say, he's in the process of doing things he promised to do.
[00:24:15]  He never promised to sever relationships with Israel.
[00:24:18]  He promised to close the border.
[00:24:20]  He promised to get more funding for DHS, more funding for Border Patrol.
[00:24:25]  He promised to push back culturally against the onslaught from the left as it relates to transgenderism and LGBTQ and all of these things.
[00:24:35]  He promised to push back against those things.
[00:24:37]  And so, if we hold them, if we hold the plan to be what Trump promised, then I still think we have to say, hey, look, Trump, you totally missed the ball on this one.
[00:24:48]  But you have done, and I will give you credit for what you have done.
[00:24:52]  And that is what you promised to do.
[00:24:53]  And so, that's really the point I'm making and the position that I'm taking.
[00:24:56]  It's not that necessarily I'm just like, Turning a blind eye, if you will, to this kind of stuff.
[00:25:02]  This stuff's silly.
[00:25:03]  The only other thing I'll say is like, you have to think about this from the perspective of the administration.
[00:25:08]  When Trump is this cudgel that he's using with respect to FEMA funding, he's not, he doesn't even have his own base in mind.
[00:25:14]  Like, he's not, his conception of people that this will hurt or people that this is targeting is not, you know, Republican, right wing Christian people.
[00:25:27]  It's leftists.
[00:25:28]  It's purple haired feminists in Minneapolis who are saying, hey, let's do.
[00:25:32]  We love the WHO.
[00:25:33]  We love the World Health Organization.
[00:25:34]  We love universal human rights organizations.
[00:25:37]  And we want to defund Israel as a consequence.
[00:25:40]  And Trump is saying, look, I'm a pragmatist.
[00:25:43]  I won't pass on the opportunity to punch my enemy.
[00:25:46]  And he says, now he goes into his cabinet meetings and he says, what can we do?
[00:25:50]  And he hears, oh, well, sir, you have all sorts of things at your disposal.
[00:25:53]  In fact, you have FEMA funding.
[00:25:54]  How about you use this to punish them?
[00:25:56]  It's similar to what Trump did with the universities.
[00:25:58]  He sees at Columbia and sees at Harvard all of these anti Israel stances from left wing communist.
[00:26:07]  Elements in the student body and says, let's punish these universities for allowing this to happen.
[00:26:11]  Now, while I disagree on the merits, I actually, these are the tactics that we elected Trump to sort of act out.
[00:26:19]  And in this case, we disagree with it, but he's used these same tactics to help us.
[00:26:23]  In fact, going back to what Wes said, he's used FEMA funding to force sanctuary cities to deport people.
[00:26:29]  Right.
[00:26:31]  So I think it's a fair point, but my response as we were kind of workshopping this episode before going live was I said, I get that, but why can't we do it on the basis of America?
[00:26:43]  Make America the determining factor.
[00:26:45]  Make America the moral universal standard.
[00:26:48]  So, in other words, you know, like it's, you know, like the meme was, let them fight.
[00:26:53]  You know, like you're not rooting for Godzilla, you're not rooting for King Kong or, you know, whatever it is.
[00:26:59]  You're like, let them fight and let them destroy each other.
[00:27:01]  Well, that's how I felt with the whole university, you know, Palestine kind of thing.
[00:27:04]  It's like, on the one hand, you know, you've got like 300 pound, you know, blue haired feminists, you know, screeching for Palestine.
[00:27:11]  And on the other hand, you know, you've got these, Um, Marxist universities, and I'm like, you know, so it's like, you know, well, who are you rooting for, Joel?
[00:27:19]  And I'm like, they're like either side, they're both Bolsheviks.
[00:27:23]  Like, which Bolshevik do you prefer?
[00:27:25]  Like, neither, neither.
[00:27:27]  Uh, the universities are Bolsheviks, right?
[00:27:30]  And all these other people scream for Palestine, they're you know, useful idiot Bolsheviks, but it's you know, it's just um, two sides of the same coin.
[00:27:40]  So I'm not rooting for either.
[00:27:41]  I guess my point is, um, Like Trump wanting to punish these universities like Harvard, great, but don't punish them for being anti Semitic and not loving Israel.
[00:27:54]  Here's a novel idea What if you could come up with some kind of way, some means, some mechanism for punishing them, not for being anti Israel, but for being anti America?
[00:28:07]  American, I know it's crazy, hear me out, let me cook.
[00:28:10]  What if you could punish universities in America for being against America?
[00:28:17]  What about that?
[00:28:18]  So, in these blue liberal states, what if you could punish the same states?
[00:28:22]  Because you're right.
[00:28:22]  Effectively, that's probably the way that the chips will fall it'll be the blue liberal progressive states that get penalized.
[00:28:29]  But what if you could penalize them publicly and make it clear that the reason, the mechanism for them being penalized is because they are traitorous anti American states rather than anti Israel states?
[00:28:44]  To Steelman Antonio's point, what he's essentially saying is that Trump is utilizing the friend enemy distinction.
[00:28:48]  So he's looking over at Columbia and he's looking at Harvard where they foment leftist activism.
[00:28:53]  And Trump is saying these are political enemies.
[00:28:56]  These are people that are pumping out graduates that are going to think tanks, they're going into politics, they're bringing their leftist ideology with them.
[00:29:02]  That leftist ideology, I view as having a negative effect on America.
[00:29:05]  So, what tool can I wield against my political enemy that won't at the same time hit my political friends?
[00:29:11]  So, the friends would be me and you.
[00:29:13]  We would be the Americans.
[00:29:14]  We work hard, we're law abiding, we're not just recent immigrants who came over the fence.
[00:29:20]  So, Trump's saying, hey, my enemies over here are a bunch of leftists, holed up in sanctuary cities, holed up in California, holed up on leftist college campuses.
[00:29:27]  And this is just, kind of Antonio, I think you described it earlier as.
[00:29:30]  This is the tool I'm going to use.
[00:29:31]  So it's not this ideological attachment to the tool or anti Semitism as this terrible thing.
[00:29:37]  I don't care who it hits, but I want to use it because I can direct it.
[00:29:40]  If you can think of the Death Star, I can direct it at my enemies.
[00:29:44]  As a pastor, let me get a little biblical example in here, real quick.
[00:29:47]  I can't help myself, but I think of Daniel.
[00:29:51]  And there were counselors to the king, magi, that were surrounding him in the king's courts, men of high stature.
[00:30:00]  Who had the king's ear and who hated and despised Daniel.
[00:30:05]  Now, the king actually liked Daniel, right?
[00:30:07]  Friend, enemy distinction.
[00:30:09]  Daniel was friend of the king.
[00:30:11]  But these guys who were enemies of Daniel, they come into the king and they puff him up with himself.
[00:30:18]  You know what, king?
[00:30:20]  For 30 days, let there be an edict that no one is to pray or petition.
[00:30:26]  So, this wouldn't just include the polytheists who are worshiping gods.
[00:30:31]  It's not just religion, but this would be even.
[00:30:33]  The atheist, the agnostic would have been included, and I don't think there really were atheists, but just hypothetically, theoretically, the atheist, this is my point, is a universal edict that sweeps the whole board.
[00:30:45]  The whole gambit is caught up in this.
[00:30:47]  So even if somebody wasn't religious and didn't believe there were any gods, the edict was you could not pray to any god or petition any man, both sides, except for you, O king, for 30 days.
[00:30:59]  So for 30 days, no prayer, right?
[00:31:02]  Just 30 days to stop the spread.
[00:31:04]  30 days of no prayer and no petitioning any man, any person except for you, O king.
[00:31:12]  And here's a king who his friend is Daniel.
[00:31:17]  He loves Daniel.
[00:31:18]  But in that moment, these wicked guys who hate Daniel are getting tricksy with the king.
[00:31:25]  And they're not coming directly and saying, Hey, king, you should do something bad to Daniel.
[00:31:30]  Because then he'd say, No, Daniel's my friend.
[00:31:33]  Instead, they're saying, Hey, king, you should do something good for yourself.
[00:31:37]  You should just make much of you.
[00:31:39]  And they're doing it in a roundabout, indirect way to where the king actually signs off with his signet ring, signs off on this edict, and then immediately regrets it when he realizes, oh no, I didn't think about it.
[00:31:52]  I forgot that this edict affects my friends.
[00:31:57]  Daniel will be affected by this edict because Daniel's not going to stop praying.
[00:32:00]  I forgot.
[00:32:01]  Daniel is a righteous man.
[00:32:03]  Daniel is a Hebrew.
[00:32:04]  Daniel, he prays three times every day with the windows open to heaven.
[00:32:09]  I just sealed the doom of my own friend.
[00:32:12]  And so, my point is, yeah, Trump may be playing 4D chess, but if that's the case, then he needs to start playing 5D chess because he's not, if he's cooking, he's not cooking hot enough.
[00:32:24]  Or he's burning the kitchen down and his friends are in it.
[00:32:26]  Or he's cooking too hot, one or the other.
[00:32:29]  Because here's the deal if you're looking for ways, mechanisms, right?
[00:32:32]  If the end is, I want to crush my enemies and the enemies are the blue haired leftists, fine.
[00:32:39]  But the mechanism that you're employing, This mechanism is not going to just crush your enemies.
[00:32:45]  It's going to crush all the Daniels in your kingdom.
[00:32:47]  It's going to crush all the faithful, all your friends.
[00:32:52]  Your friends are going to get caught up in this as well.
[00:32:55]  And you might sit there and say, well, yeah, but ultimately I get, you know, as king, right, I get to decide, you know, who the edict actually, you know, actually goes into effect for.
[00:33:05]  And then I can, you know, okay, maybe.
[00:33:08]  But you're playing with fire and you're bargaining and the chips that you're wagering.
[00:33:13]  Are good Americans, salt of the earth Christians.
[00:33:17]  The people who put you in office, Mr. President, are the ones that you are putting at risk on this particular wager.
[00:33:26]  And I would say, too, my counter to that, so Antonio, that's a great point.
[00:33:29]  Like, well, hey, this is friend enemy, we're leveling at the enemy.

=== Playing with Fire and Chips (06:47) ===

[00:33:32]  But honestly, we're getting closer and closer.
[00:33:33]  And we saw with Epstein, Trump attacking his own base as stupid for fixating it.
[00:33:38]  So if you could imagine, like, you have a, you're on one side, trench warfare, the enemy's on the other.
[00:33:43]  And in between, you have us, the allies.
[00:33:45]  And at first, all this gunfire is coming our way, and it's like, no, no, no, hold on.
[00:33:48]  That's to the enemy that's behind us in the trench.
[00:33:50]  That's who they're taking out.
[00:33:51]  But I think what's happening, and I'll show this graph, and maybe we end this segment here.
[00:33:55]  So, Trump's support, you can imagine like the trench, like people are kind of trying to evacuate, the bullets are getting closer.
[00:34:01]  And for a second, it kind of feels like we're in the crossfire.
[00:34:04]  Look at this approval of Donald Trump and his second term in his job performance, specifically 18 to 29 year olds.
[00:34:11]  So, this is from January 20th, when he's elected, when he inaugurates, goes into office, I'm sorry, to June 15th.
[00:34:17]  Among 18 to 29 year olds, it cratered 44 points.
[00:34:20]  I think that's the decline.
[00:34:22]  So you have all these guys in the middle, and it's like, well, Trump's he's going after the left and he's going after the Gavin Newsom's and he's going after the Sanctuary Cities.
[00:34:29]  Well, somewhere in that process, he was just booed at a WWE wrestling event.
[00:34:34]  Now, WWE is not the most right coded event, I'll give you that.
[00:34:37]  But I mean, a populist president who is cheered on at UFC, he would enter with Tucker Carlson and Dana White, they're now booing him at WWE.
[00:34:45]  His support is creating among the young people, and I think millions and millions of Americans are like, Hang on, we're the ones that supported you.
[00:34:52]  We're the ones that are putting you in office.
[00:34:54]  But it turns out it's looking like the friend enemy distinction.
[00:34:57]  We're falling on the enemy side and it's over this Israel thing.
[00:35:00]  Antonio, you got a final thought before we go to a commercial?
[00:35:03]  No, I would say I think the Daniel example is an apt analogy.
[00:35:09]  And I think it's actually a white pill.
[00:35:11]  I think God delivers Daniel and King Darius recognizes that he had done something wrong, evil.
[00:35:18]  But all this to say, no, I think this is absolutely right.
[00:35:21]  I think this is something we ought to hold Trump on.
[00:35:23]  We ought to be loud and vocal about.
[00:35:25]  I think at the end of the day, Trump is a populist and he's going to respond to the squeaky wheel, so to speak.
[00:35:29]  That's the wheel that's going to get the oil.
[00:35:32]  And so we should be cognizant of like this is really only growing in the last couple of years in terms of the widespread mainstream critiques on the right.
[00:35:43]  It's not 18 months.
[00:35:44]  Yeah, years.
[00:35:45]  Give it months that this is happening.
[00:35:46]  So we've got to give it a little bit of time for Trump to hear the tune and understand what's happening.
[00:35:52]  That's true.
[00:35:53]  At the end of the day, he's a populist.
[00:35:54]  He cares about his legacy.
[00:35:56]  And he's going to go out swing to the end.
[00:35:58]  And so I'm still optimistic.
[00:36:01]  I think we've held them to account before on COVID, for example.
[00:36:04]  I think Trump's COVID policies in 2020, particularly when.
[00:36:08]  And he did eventually drop that rhetoric for the longest time.
[00:36:10]  It was like, my warp speed, warp speed.
[00:36:13]  And then eventually it was like, he got booed so many times, he's like, I can't do it anymore.
[00:36:16]  I can't even say it anymore.
[00:36:17]  Yeah.
[00:36:18]  Yeah.
[00:36:18]  And so I think that's a good example of what we ought to do, which is say, hey, you were wrong on this.
[00:36:22]  What you had recommended with respect to government spending through COVID and lockdown, so on and so forth, all of this was wrong.
[00:36:29]  And now, of course, Trump being Trump isn't going to come out directly and apologize, but you'll hear him start to shift his tune a little bit and shift his focus and priorities.
[00:36:38]  And so this is one thing that I think we went on this issue.
[00:36:42]  And we continue to push on him, but we recognize that not all hope is lost.
[00:36:46]  We still have a fighter in the ring.
[00:36:48]  Okay, well said.
[00:36:50]  Definitely, we should pray that way.
[00:36:52]  And God can do anything, He can change anyone's heart, even guiding the heart of the king like waters.
[00:36:59]  So we're hopeful, we're prayerful, but we also at the same time don't want to be naive and we want to call a spade a spade and hoping that by the grace of God, a spade could change.
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[00:42:56]  Well, over the weekend, I don't know about you guys, but I was feeling a bit of a sense of missing out.
[00:43:00]  So, El Salvador, you may remember, just as of about, I think it's just six years ago, they were one of the most dangerous places in the world to live.
[00:43:06]  They did not have a flourishing economy.
[00:43:08]  It was terrible.
[00:43:08]  It was run by gangs.
[00:43:10]  And in a matter of literally the six years since his first election into office, Naib Bukele is his name, the president.
[00:43:16]  For one, he's one of the most popular presidents in the world.
[00:43:18]  His approval rating is north of 90%.
[00:43:21]  He is an authoritarian without question.
[00:43:23]  And over the weekend, the, I believe it was Parliament, basically approved a constitutional amendment to where he can stay in office indefinitely.
[00:43:31]  The term limits are up to six years, and where they're Previously existed a limit that at a certain point he just couldn't run for re election, that's been removed.
[00:43:38]  And I want to tie that into a larger trend that I think is happening, which is we've said this before we're returning in many ways to nature and to tradition.
[00:43:46]  So, what you see in El Salvador, he may not wear the title, but he is President Bukele, he is king.
[00:43:52]  That's what he is.
[00:43:53]  And what's fascinating is he's king, and it's like, oh, well, and the people hate it and they despise him and they groan under his rule.
[00:43:59]  No, they love him and adore him.
[00:44:02]  And as long as he seeks that office, he will continue to be elected to it.
[00:44:06]  And there was a little bit of a sense in 2024, kind of setting the stage.
[00:44:09]  What we're going to talk about in this segment is the path ahead.
[00:44:12]  What are we looking at for the next three years and especially come 2028?
[00:44:16]  But as there's this return to tradition, I think in 2024, there was a temptation to maybe think, well, and this is it.
[00:44:22]  We're about to get our king, we're about to get our monarch, our emperor, and he's going to come in and he's going to save the nation.
[00:44:28]  But what we've said again and again, and I think it rings true and it's worth repeating Trump was always going to be the precursor, the staging ground, the Cyrus, the one who sets the stage for, I think, the real, actual America first, nationalist, Christian nationalist.
[00:44:45]  I think that's actually the movement to come.
[00:44:46]  And what we're witnessing is not it being realized, the golden age of America.
[00:44:51]  No, what we're witnessing is actually setting the stage for the possibility of that to emerge.
[00:44:55]  What do you guys think about that?
[00:44:57]  Agreed, 100%.
[00:44:59]  I've always thought that Trump is not the savior.
[00:45:01]  And for the record, of course, no man is the savior, but the God man, Christ Jesus himself.
[00:45:06]  So we don't think any politician, political figure is the savior in the ultimate sense.
[00:45:11]  But you know what I mean.
[00:45:12]  Trump is not going to be the guy who.
[00:45:16]  Politically solves all of our problems.
[00:45:18]  Has he done good?
[00:45:20]  Yes.
[00:45:20]  Like if Kamala had been elected, the amount of immigrants that we would have had during four years of Biden and we would have had over four more years, are we getting mass deportations?
[00:45:34]  It doesn't feel like it.
[00:45:36]  We aren't thus far.
[00:45:37]  Will we get them in the next three and a half years?
[00:45:40]  I don't know.
[00:45:42]  And I hope so, for the record.
[00:45:43]  Yeah, we're all hoping, we're all praying.
[00:45:45]  But as it currently stands, if I had to bet, I'd say, yeah, okay, maybe four to six million deported.
[00:45:50]  And not the 24 to 36 million that we need.
[00:45:54]  That said, the borders closed.
[00:45:58]  And that's massive.
[00:45:59]  That is absolutely massive.
[00:46:01]  I think it's, I saw the first time in 50 years that we've had more people leave the country than come into the country.
[00:46:10]  The first time in 50 years, which just shows you how all of our politicians have literally been traitors and trying to destroy our country and its citizens.
[00:46:22]  And so, So, Trump has done good.
[00:46:24]  That is good.
[00:46:26]  But will he fix, you know, right every wrong and fix every problem?
[00:46:30]  No.
[00:46:32]  And it's not just, well, nobody will but Jesus.
[00:46:35]  Yeah, in the ultimate salvific spiritual sense, nobody will but Jesus.
[00:46:39]  But you actually can see through sinful, imperfect men like Bukele some massive political, national, civil changes that lend towards the native citizens of a particular nation, their flourishing, their prosperity, their peace, their joy.
[00:46:56]  There's safety, there's security, all those things.
[00:47:00]  And I think that we will eventually get that type of politician.
[00:47:05]  And Trump is not it.
[00:47:07]  So we're super grateful.
[00:47:09]  But I completely agree with everything that you said, Wes.
[00:47:11]  I think Trump was always the precursor.
[00:47:15]  He's not, he is not the American Caesar.
[00:47:18]  He's not going to ultimately, not fully, he gets close.
[00:47:22]  He likes to go and stand, you know, and look across, but he's not going to cross the sea.
[00:47:26]  Like a saber rattle at the courts.
[00:47:28]  Like, I'm telling you, this is your warning.
[00:47:30]  Yep.
[00:47:30]  And with that, he's done a lot of good.
[00:47:32]  And I don't want to take that away from him.
[00:47:33]  I'm grateful.
[00:47:35]  But I don't think he's going to cross the Rubicon.
[00:47:38]  But I think he sets the stage for whoever it is who will.
[00:47:42]  And when that guy comes, whoever it may be, that guy, and this is what we have to realize, because the other thing you said I think is very insightful he will be a king.
[00:47:54]  Because of our American tradition, he will never be called king.
[00:47:58]  Right.
[00:47:59]  Formally, he will still soothe ourselves to sleep at night.
[00:48:04]  You say.
[00:48:05]  No king but Christ, no king but Christ.
[00:48:08]  You know, and, you know, that's how we'll get to sleep and assuage our consciences.
[00:48:12]  But he will be functionally, effectively, for all intents and purposes, kingly.
[00:48:18]  And that just like that's what Bukele is.
[00:48:21]  He is president in title, but in many ways, king in function.
[00:48:28]  And I am of the persuasion that there is nothing explicit in scripture that makes a king an inherent immorality.
[00:48:38]  Well, I don't think there's anything I'll give another example of someone who holds that title and the people love Vladimir Putin.
[00:48:43]  Yep, his approval rating, I think it's in the high 80s.
[00:48:46]  Like, I mean, our Congress is 10 to 15 percent approval, Trump maybe hovers around 40 to 50 percent, depending on the demographic.
[00:48:53]  You have people that like nine out of 10 people in the country are like, I like this guy, he's doing a good job.
[00:48:58]  And it's kind of, it doesn't seem like a coincidence to me that these are some of them, not all of them, and universally, these are the men with rule that rule with an iron fist.
[00:49:06]  And funny, both of them are claimed to be Christians, they've done a lot of damage to the Western agenda as far as it relates to.
[00:49:11]  Expansion of gender rights as far as especially relates to gang violence.
[00:49:15]  They've destroyed that.
[00:49:17]  The people honestly kind of love them for it.
[00:49:19]  Yeah.
[00:49:20]  Real quick in the chat, Leonard, he said, I thought it was well said.
[00:49:23]  I've seen guys say this before, but lest we forget, one of the titles for Christ himself is King of Kings.
[00:49:32]  So the earth will have kings.
[00:49:35]  And that's not inherently condemned.
[00:49:39]  The idea is that for a Christian nation and My prayer and hope, and I work towards our nation being a Christian nation.
[00:49:47]  Us being a Christian nation doesn't mean that we won't have anybody who functions as a king.
[00:49:51]  What it means is that for us to be Christian, we may actually have someone who functions as a king, but there will be a king above him.
[00:49:59]  There will be a king of kings, and that king of kings is Jesus.
[00:50:02]  Antonio, you're going to say something.
[00:50:04]  Well, I would just say, you know, and I want the record to state that I am very self aware of the white pill gaze that I have here.
[00:50:15]  So, with that said, I think we have to recognize, you know, going back to Bukele, and you contrast him with Trump, he is dealing with a significantly less politically and socially complex issue in El Salvador versus what Trump is dealing with in America.
[00:50:34]  You think about where America was headed in 2015 and where we are now and where the momentum shift is.
[00:50:41]  Trump has done something that people truly could not fathom 10 years ago.
[00:50:49]  And I think we have to give him that credit.
[00:50:51]  If he was in El Salvador, I think virtually the same thing would have occurred in terms of where he was trying to drive our.
[00:51:00]  But of course, we live in a country with 50 states and we were spread 3,500 miles in geography and we have so many different ethnicities.
[00:51:10]  And it's a very politically ranked situation for Trump.
[00:51:15]  And all of that said, I think there's still been some massive wins that we just have to recognize.
[00:51:20]  I'm with you in the sense that Trump.
[00:51:22]  Is not the guy.
[00:51:24]  And my conception, Trump was never the guy.
[00:51:27]  But I do think he will be someone that is kind of a litmus test going forward.
[00:51:34]  So, in other words, in 2028, the Republican candidate, I think you're going to have two competing visions one pro Israel, one anti Israel, one truly America first, and then one kind of America slash Israel first.
[00:51:46]  And I think both of them are going to compete for, you could say, the succession of Trump.
[00:51:52]  Both are going to say in a similar fashion as you think of Caesar and the emperors that followed in the Roman Empire, all saying, I am the most like Caesar.
[00:52:04]  I am the continuation of Caesar.
[00:52:07]  I think there's going to be, for many election cycles after Trump in the Republican Party, there's going to be that competition to say that this guy who turned everything around, he was the beginning.
[00:52:18]  He was the 180 from this postmodern liberal agenda into something that's truly traditional, truly in alignment with American values.
[00:52:28]  He was the guy who started it, and I am going to finish it.
[00:52:31]  And I think that will be the claim for many years to come.
[00:52:33]  So, all that to say, I'm with you.
[00:52:36]  I don't think Trump's the guy.
[00:52:37]  But I certainly think that the guy will claim Trump.
[00:52:42]  Yeah.
[00:52:43]  It'll be kind of like a guy like 2.0.
[00:52:45]  He probably will.
[00:52:46]  I think you're right.
[00:52:47]  He'll probably claim Trump just unapologetically.
[00:52:52]  He'll probably, the next guy, the 2028 guy, will probably be a Trump sycophant.
[00:52:57]  But I think eventually what you'll have is a guy who doesn't claim Trump, but acknowledges Trump.
[00:53:05]  So even like a guy like Nick Fuentes, still.
[00:53:08]  He didn't vote for Trump.
[00:53:09]  He encouraged others not to vote for Trump.
[00:53:11]  He wasn't saying vote for Kamala, but he said, you know, don't vote for Trump.
[00:53:14]  Kind of similar to, you know, the same type of argument that the abolitionists were making during the election.
[00:53:22]  Nick Fuentes, abolitionist, boom, you know, on that particular issue.
[00:53:26]  Ironic a bit, but they did hold the same position withhold your vote.
[00:53:31]  That said, even as against Trump as, you know, Nick has been, he's still, still to this day, is regularly acknowledging.
[00:53:40]  Trump inspired all of this.
[00:53:42]  Trump inspired me, you know, him speaking of himself.
[00:53:45]  Trump is the precursor.
[00:53:46]  Trump was the, you know, what ignited the fire.
[00:53:51]  So he still gives Trump credit.
[00:53:53]  It's like Trump started this, but he's not going to finish it.
[00:53:57]  And that's the shot across the bow of a liberal order, like this cannon that rings out.
[00:54:00]  And it's like, what was that?
[00:54:02]  Yeah.
[00:54:02]  Go ahead.
[00:54:03]  Yeah.
[00:54:03]  No, I was just going to say, like, I can respect that position, but it's like, guys, we're foolish if we look at the way where we are today.
[00:54:11]  With respect to rhetoric, even just think about vibes, think about rhetoric and how we can talk, we can say the word retard.
[00:54:17]  I mean, like, all this was not a given.
[00:54:21]  Yeah, this was truly not a given five years ago.
[00:54:24]  And there's one man that has been at the helm of saying, Hey, we're going to be able to say this thing, and I'm going to take a lot of flack for it.
[00:54:30]  Now, I look, I haven't again, I haven't drank the Kool Aid.
[00:54:33]  I don't think, you know, Trump, like you said, Joel, is a savior to with any, you know, in any, you know, shape or form.
[00:54:43]  I do recognize that we've seen a massive turnaround, and then there's been a guy at the fore of it.
[00:54:49]  So, I love this quote.
[00:54:51]  I've brought it up on the show before, but this quote from Robert E. Lee, that's so good.
[00:54:55]  It says The march of providence is so slow, and our desires so impatient.
[00:54:59]  The work of progress is so immense, and our means of aiding it so feeble.
[00:55:02]  The life of humanity is so long, and that of the individual so brief, that we often see only the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged.
[00:55:10]  It is history that teaches us to hope.
[00:55:12]  What if the last, I mean, since you could go back multiple world wars, honestly, to the Civil War?
[00:55:18]  L, L, L, losing just the American Christian hegemony that we had.
[00:55:24]  But what if that's the receding wave for people to realize, hold on, this thing that we started, it seemed like, well, of course, they would set up a flourishing society that would do well and have a great economy.
[00:55:34]  But what if all of those battles that we went through and all the losses we had to realize, like, oh my goodness, this thing that we created is so precious and people ruling themselves versus having to have the monarch come in and say, you're going to get in line.
[00:55:47]  All of this, centuries of a receding wave of difficulty of setbacks before.
[00:55:52]  The blessing of providence, and people say, What we have, we are going to defend it.
[00:55:57]  And if possible, and honestly, ministries like this, books that can be written, these can point out don't make this mistake, don't make this mistake.
[00:56:04]  We thought like Heart Seller was supposed to not change the fabric of America at all.
[00:56:08]  As it was being written, they're saying, hey, you're worried about this.
[00:56:11]  Guys, this is not going to change America.
[00:56:13]  We're just going to shift some stuff up with immigration.
[00:56:16]  But we can sound a warning for generations, hundreds of years of our four descendants, Christian ones, hopefully.
[00:56:24]  Hey, we know better than to do that.
[00:56:26]  We know those perils.
[00:56:27]  I think it's a point who says that nature will ridicule the invention of men.
[00:56:33]  So, capitalism, oh, we've got this invention now that it's going to bring peace and it's going to bring prosperity to the world.
[00:56:41]  And by the way, we don't need any kind of distinctions anymore as a consequence.
[00:56:45]  Everyone's just going to live, you know, it's all a rising tide's going to lift all boats.
[00:56:48]  And it's like, well, nature proves that false.
[00:56:50]  And I think time and time again, we learn through this recursiveness in history about, you know, nature's, you know, Prominence and undeniability.
[00:57:02]  And we can't fight nature.
[00:57:03]  Now, obviously, systems and inventions that we've created can be in alignment with nature and be good for man.
[00:57:09]  But essentially, I agree.
[00:57:11]  Yeah, I agree.
[00:57:12]  Essentially, I think what both of you are saying is that it's the ebbs and flows that are inevitable in God's providence throughout human history, that the kingdom advances and it does so progressively, but it does so gradually.

=== Fighting Against Nature's Course (06:58) ===

[00:57:24]  And it doesn't do it perfectly without any setbacks along the way.
[00:57:28]  And so, like COVID, Is a great case study in the micro.
[00:57:33]  And what you guys are describing with the Hart Seller Act and some of these things would be what we hope and pray and even think will be, even to the level of confidence of predicting, will be a case study in the macro, right?
[00:57:44]  So, COVID, what I mean by that is it kind of took the left seemingly having a temporary total victory, right?
[00:57:54]  A high watermark in 2020 and 2021 between COVID and St. George Floyd and BLM and all these things.
[00:58:01]  It kind of took that.
[00:58:04]  For us to realize, whoa, never again.
[00:58:07]  And in some sense, it may also likewise take 60 years of mass immigration and people, America losing its identity and an entire generation not being able to afford a home and a family for us to realize, whoa, never again, and to get serious and make the changes necessary.
[00:58:31]  What you're kind of referring to is patterns within patterns and smaller, shorter patterns, COVID, maybe call that a five year cycle, a five year rise.
[00:58:37]  And then fall with wokeness, a 15 year one with Hart Seller and with the boomer generation, they're passing away a 60 year.
[00:58:44]  You could have 250 year cycles, you could call it the French Revolution.
[00:58:48]  Well, hey, instead of God, instead of the Bible, we have human reason and rationalism, but all of those converging to come to a moment where, kind of at the same time, interestingly, they're all kind of collapsing.
[00:58:58]  I mean, from 2023 to 2025, young men 18 to 29 moved 44 points to the right, 44 points to the right, a fundamental realignment of political politics that you just This didn't happen in 2008, right?
[00:59:14]  Obama didn't get in.
[00:59:15]  There was an economic crash and disaster.
[00:59:18]  And it's like, and young men just shifted by 44 points.
[00:59:22]  I don't think this has happened in anybody's lifetime.
[00:59:24]  And so then you pair it up, and the boomer generation is passing away.
[00:59:28]  And immigration, I mean, to be fair, like Trump ran on the biggest issue mass deportation and an end to the immigration.
[00:59:35]  So it's immigration all the way back for a lot of us.
[00:59:38]  Hey, we indulged in rationalism and reason, put aside God, said we can do the state, we can do government, we can do that ourselves.
[00:59:46]  And wouldn't it be amazing if in a generation we see all of them swept away like rocks at the beach for a real lasting order to be established?
[00:59:53]  It's not unthinkable.
[00:59:54]  All these historical cycles inflect at the same point, and which has happened in history before.
[00:59:59]  And I think those are the times that you think back, you know, like you could say the American Revolution.
[01:00:04]  And I think these things you have these big, big, large cycle inflections.
[01:00:11]  And those are the points in history that we're most fond of.
[01:00:14]  And I think we've learned the most from.
[01:00:16]  And the 250 year mark that's a big one.
[01:00:22]  Also, the 80 year mark, there's a lot like you think of, like, okay, 80 years ago, World War II, 80 years before that, Civil War, 80 years before.
[01:00:29]  Before that, the war for independence, that seems right.
[01:00:32]  As long as we're noticing, it seems like there's a bit of a pattern there.
[01:00:35]  And we're 80 years from World War II.
[01:00:37]  I know, 1945.
[01:00:38]  That's my point.
[01:00:39]  And so I think that you could argue, if you're a student of history, that there are macro 250 year cycles, there are smaller 80 year cycles, there are smaller 40 year cycles, 40, and then 12 year cycles, and then four year cycles.
[01:00:54]  And we've just kind of been talking about the four year cycle for the past few, what, two, three, four decades?
[01:01:00]  Right.
[01:01:02]  And it's kind of like the ping pong ball just bouncing back and forth, you know, Republicans, Democrats, Republicans, Democrats.
[01:01:07]  And they're both, you know, just two sides of the same coin.
[01:01:10]  But meanwhile, what I think we can miss if we don't really, really pan out, which is hard to do as finite creatures in just one generation.
[01:01:17]  But meanwhile, the ping pong ball has been going back and forth, you know, crossing, you know, the span of about an inch, right?
[01:01:24]  An inch to the right, inch to the left, inch to the right.
[01:01:28]  But then this whole ping pong game is also its own ping pong larger ball.
[01:01:34]  That is in a bigger frame that it's also been going, and it's just been moving.
[01:01:38]  So it's like we're moving left for four years and then we're moving right for four years.
[01:01:41]  Meanwhile, that whole thing has also been moving left for 40 years and then is about to, and then that whole thing, you know, in an AB year cycle and a 250 year cycle.
[01:01:50]  And it could just, you know, kind of like a, like some kind of like, I don't even know the, I don't know the word of like when this topic, when this planet on its cycle lines up with this other one on this longer cycle, and it's like it only happens once every, you know, bajillion years, you know, that like, Saturn and Venus and this.
[01:02:09]  And we could politically see something like that happen in our lifetime.
[01:02:14]  Something that people typically have to wait centuries for could actually occur in our lifetime.
[01:02:23]  It's not unthinkable.
[01:02:24]  And so I think it's foolish.
[01:02:25]  And I'll also go ahead and say it a little bit stronger.
[01:02:28]  I think it is explicitly unchristian, no matter what generation you live in, to not have hope, right?
[01:02:36]  We're Christians.
[01:02:37]  We hope the Lord can win by many, he can win by few.
[01:02:40]  And we don't know when he will bring about the victory, right?
[01:02:43]  It's not by might, nor by power, nor by our sacred democracy or elections, but by my spirit, says the Lord.
[01:02:49]  And we don't know when he can do it.
[01:02:50]  We know he can do it.
[01:02:51]  We don't know when he will do it.
[01:02:53]  So I think we should always be hopeful that maybe he'll do it soon.
[01:02:56]  Maybe he'll do it now.
[01:02:58]  Maybe he'll do it with us.
[01:02:59]  And so we're always hopeful.
[01:03:00]  And at the same time, hope can become a euphemism for foolishness or madness.
[01:03:08]  Hope can be a euphemism for madness, and wisdom can be a euphemism for fear.
[01:03:13]  I'm just being wise.
[01:03:14]  No, you're being afraid.
[01:03:15]  You're being a coward.
[01:03:16]  You're not hedging your bets in wisdom.
[01:03:18]  You're hedging your bets in fear.
[01:03:20]  So don't say, well, I just don't want a white pill.
[01:03:24]  I'm not black pilled.
[01:03:25]  I'm just hedging my bets.
[01:03:27]  Don't do either.
[01:03:30]  Don't say you're being wise, but really you're being cowardly.
[01:03:33]  And don't say, I'm just being hopeful, but really you're being naive.
[01:03:37]  You're being insane.
[01:03:39]  You're being foolish.
[01:03:40]  And so we're doing our best by the grace of God to fall into neither ditch on either side of the road.
[01:03:46]  And saying, no, God really could change everything and he could do it in our lifetime.
[01:03:50]  And also, if he doesn't, right now things are not headed in a great direction.
[01:03:56]  Things are really, really, really rough.
[01:04:00]  And every election cycle, we are simply choosing between the lesser of two evils.
[01:04:06]  And the lesser portion is like a freckle and a hair.
[01:04:10]  Right.
[01:04:11]  So 10% taxes versus 12%.
[01:04:14]  Yeah.
[01:04:14]  We've got it now.
[01:04:15]  Yeah.
[01:04:15]  All right.
[01:04:16]  Let's go to our last commercial break and then we will be right back.
[01:04:19]  Hello, brothers in Christ.
[01:04:21]  Let me ask you something real.

=== Choosing Between Lesser Evils (13:17) ===

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[01:06:48]  So, here's going to be the big referendum.
[01:06:50]  This is the thing to put a pin in, put a reminder in your calendar.
[01:06:53]  2028.
[01:06:54]  And here's kind of the risk the left is rebranding, right?
[01:06:57]  So, the left is kind of have to say, hang on, we took the woke thing a little bit too far.
[01:07:01]  300 pound women in Calvin Klein, the populace just weren't ready for that.
[01:07:05]  That would take too much USAID money.
[01:07:07]  So the left is rebranding, see Gavin Newsom moving to a more moderate position.
[01:07:10]  Here's the risk, and people need to be aware of this.
[01:07:12]  The potential is that, specifically in primary elections and some of it in the general, but you're going to have MAGA, but we may see the actual true America first, for lack of a better term.
[01:07:23]  We may see some of these candidates for the first time, that you'd be able to go and you'd be able to vote for a Christian man who actually really does represent your values.
[01:07:30]  You could say, like, yeah, I really like this guy.
[01:07:32]  I like everything, practically everything he has to say.
[01:07:35]  He's good on life, he's good on men and women, he's good on faith.
[01:07:38]  And he's good on saying America should be for Americans.
[01:07:41]  Now, the risk is, and this has typically happened in the past, when a party is kind of split, this happened to the left in 2024, when a party is split between its wing that's kind of moving and has the youth and the energy that was left with kind of wokeness 2020, 2024, and kind of an establishment.
[01:07:55]  I think of the neocons, a lot of them like Nikki Haley, Mark Levin, and others, they folded under MAGA.
[01:08:01]  You're going to kind of have a MAGA neocon assembly.
[01:08:05]  Probably JD Vance is going to be the forerunner for that.
[01:08:07]  And then you might have, and hopefully it's not third party, but it possibly could be another candidate that says both of these, as we've been saying, They're two sides of the same coin.
[01:08:15]  So be watching in 2026, 2028.
[01:08:18]  We're going to see if we have political legs.
[01:08:20]  If candidates can get out there, they can have a message.
[01:08:23]  Just a friendly word of advice if you're running for city council, don't make Israel the centerstay of your campaign.
[01:08:29]  Our guys have to be smart.
[01:08:30]  Israel does not matter as much for that.
[01:08:32]  Now, after you get in office, you can perhaps be clear and upfront.
[01:08:35]  You could take on.
[01:08:36]  In Texas, for example, the governor is trying to strip funding away from cities that boycott Israel.
[01:08:41]  So maybe after you get in office, that's a time to talk about it.
[01:08:44]  But our guys need to run smart campaigns.
[01:08:46]  And we need to see if some people can make it into Congress, especially the Senate, governorships that are saying, hey, you know, here's all these things that are real practical improvements for people that live in Oklahoma, people that live in Texas.
[01:08:58]  And I think, unlike the prevailing doctrine for the last 30 years, Israel doesn't offer much of us, much advantage to us as a strategic ally.
[01:09:07]  So that's what I see coming up in the next three years.
[01:09:09]  The risk, for sure, of splitting the vote, the risk of people walking out.
[01:09:13]  I'll be honest with you, it's going to be hard to plug my nose and vote for Greg Abbott or Ted Cruz again.
[01:09:18]  Don't know if I can do it.
[01:09:19]  So there's some risk of people walking out.
[01:09:21]  There's risk of splitting the vote.
[01:09:22]  But imagine three more years of this.
[01:09:25]  It's been six months, eh, about eight since Trump was inaugurated.
[01:09:29]  And this is how far we've come.
[01:09:31]  I think we've got a long way to go.
[01:09:32]  Yeah, I think that's astute.
[01:09:35]  I would just say to the point about what will make the issue in 2028, I think this question of America first and how it's defined, whether it's Israel's incorporated into that as a sort of footnote or not, I think that will be the issue.
[01:09:50]  Now, there was a time where I think it was appropriate.
[01:09:52]  I talked about where we were in 2015 and how far we've come.
[01:09:56]  I think there was a point in which this wasn't the issue that you went on.
[01:09:59]  And there was some horse trading that had to be done.
[01:10:01]  You had the Israel lobby and you had other things that were more pressing.
[01:10:05]  For example, not transiting children that were the issues that you wanted to win on.
[01:10:10]  But I do think there's legitimate political momentum now behind a true America first policy, both internally and with respect to foreign policy.
[01:10:19]  And so, with that momentum, this is not the time to compromise.
[01:10:22]  This is the time to run on the issue.
[01:10:24]  And say that I represent, whether I be a state senator or I'm a U.S. senator, I represent the American people and the American people only.
[01:10:33]  This is being transparent about who you're taking political donations from, i.e., not APAC, not any foreign asset register, so on and so forth.
[01:10:43]  It's quickly becoming getting to the point where unless APAC gives you a million dollars, people aren't going to take it because it would like a thousand bucks from APAC is more of a liability than it, like.
[01:10:53]  Correct?
[01:10:54]  Yeah.
[01:10:54]  And you did that, you patriots out there.
[01:10:56]  Yeah.
[01:10:56]  That's a credit.
[01:10:57]  Yeah.
[01:10:57]  Constituents do that.
[01:10:58]  Make them toxic.
[01:11:00]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:11:00]  So, all that to say, I agree with your points in terms of the wisdom of where the momentum is going politically.
[01:11:07]  And I think in 2028, I like that framing of you'll have the new neocon.
[01:11:12]  This will be the APAC backed faction of the Republican Party.
[01:11:16]  And then you'll have this more dissident.
[01:11:18]  But I think it will be, by that time, three years to go, I think it will be a meaningful constituency within the Republican Party tent.
[01:11:27]  Of course, we'll find ourselves in that.
[01:11:29]  In that part of the tent.
[01:11:30]  And I think we'll have our own candidate.
[01:11:32]  We'll have our dark horse.
[01:11:33]  And I think we have a good shot if we continue to push here.
[01:11:36]  So, yep.
[01:11:38]  All right, let's go ahead and round out the episode by looking at the super chats.
[01:11:42]  One last time, I just want to encourage people if you're new to the channel, if you're watching on YouTube, subscribe and click the bell.
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[01:11:53]  And then over on X, we've been growing significantly.
[01:11:58]  We just started, I really just started focusing on the X account with, I think it was like 400 followers just when Elon took over, is when I said, oh, maybe I should give it some emphasis.
[01:12:08]  And now we're at close to 45,000 followers.
[01:12:11]  Appreciate all of your love and support over there.
[01:12:14]  So make sure to follow us on X.
[01:12:15]  The handle is at RightResponseM, as in Ministries, at RightResponseM.
[01:12:20]  And before we end this broadcast, which is going to be happening in just a couple minutes, it would be tremendously helpful if you would simply repost on X the video.
[01:12:28]  Just by reposting it, it gives it legs.
[01:12:31]  It gives the video a little bit of staying power and triggers the algorithm, make sure that more people are able to see it.
[01:12:37]  And so we would appreciate that very much.
[01:12:39]  All right, we've got a couple super chats.
[01:12:41]  This is from CNRB1689.
[01:12:45]  All right, so both of them are for uh from this individual.
[01:12:48]  One is uh $49.99, so he gave us 50 bucks, and there's no comment there.
[01:12:53]  He was just being generous and kind.
[01:12:55]  We appreciate the acronym very much, Christian Nationalist Reformed Baptist 1689.
[01:13:00]  That's god bless.
[01:13:02]  Seems like a safe bet.
[01:13:03]  Yep, uh, you have our support.
[01:13:05]  So uh, and then he boom, he came right back in this time.
[01:13:09]  Uh, he has a question, but it's another $49.99, another 50 bucks, so a hundred dollars from CNRB 1689.
[01:13:17]  We just want to say thank you very much for your generosity and support.
[01:13:20]  Here's this question Pastor Joel, would you lead Right Response Ministries to establish a covenantal, confessional, reformed, patriarchal Christian town in Texas for agrarian tech, multi generational families living fully under King Jesus as a nation building blueprint?
[01:13:40]  It's a great question.
[01:13:42]  That is quite a commitment.
[01:13:44]  I would have to give it some serious prayer and serious thought.
[01:13:47]  In the meantime, it's a worthy endeavor.
[01:13:51]  I appreciate the thought and you putting it on here and giving it as a super chat.
[01:13:56]  We appreciate that.
[01:13:57]  In the meantime, what we're trying to do is so, no, we have not purchased 500 acres of land and we're not building a community center and establishing a town in the formal, official sense.
[01:14:07]  But in the meantime, what we're trying to do is we are trying to get as many like minded Christians with a spine as possible.
[01:14:17]  Who are politically minded, culturally minded, who are not pietists, right?
[01:14:22]  They have piety, right?
[01:14:23]  They care about personal holiness and obedience to Jesus Christ, but they're not pietists, meaning that they're not so heavenly bound that they're no earthly good, right?
[01:14:32]  So they're actually trying to live out their faith in every single realm of human life, not just the family and the church, but also politically and culturally and all those kinds of things.
[01:14:41]  And in terms of, okay, well, what's the mechanism?
[01:14:43]  What's the means by which you're trying to accomplish this?
[01:14:46]  As of now, the primary means that we're trying to accomplish this.
[01:14:49]  Through is called the local church.
[01:14:54]  It seems to be Jesus' plan for winning the world, and we haven't given up on it yet.
[01:15:01]  It is slow, it can be trying, it can be difficult.
[01:15:04]  The church is made up of sinners, myself and chief and foremost.
[01:15:09]  And so, church life can be a slow life, it can be a difficult and challenging life.
[01:15:14]  But that's the main thing that we're doing that I do think sets us apart from other podcasts and ministries and media companies and those kinds of things.
[01:15:22]  Is that yes, we have a fairly large forward facing public digital footprint where we speak far beyond just the local sphere.
[01:15:34]  But everything we do publicly and nationally, none of that is at the expense of what we're trying to do locally.
[01:15:42]  And I think that is the difference is that when you peel under the layers, look under the hood of the 125,000 YouTube subscribers, or what we're doing on X, or what we're doing over here, or what we're doing over there, what you will find underneath all of it is a local body of believers.
[01:16:01]  You'll find a church.
[01:16:02]  And so if you would like to join what we're currently doing, The best way to do that, if you want to be more than just somebody in the live chat, or more than just sending a donation or an email or participating in this or that or the other, or coming to the annual conference, as great as that is, if you really want to be on the ground, then we do have a church and we're located in Central Texas.
[01:16:31]  You can reach out to me if you'd like more information.
[01:16:34]  You could send me an email.
[01:16:36]  But that's the biggest thing that we're doing right now we're not starting.
[01:16:40]  Our own town.
[01:16:42]  And I'm not against that.
[01:16:43]  I know individuals who are doing that.
[01:16:45]  And I think it can be a worthy endeavor.
[01:16:47]  I think the verdict is still out and hasn't come back in.
[01:16:49]  We'll see what the Lord does with that, whether it's successful or not.
[01:16:52]  I think a Ridge Runner guys who are doing that in Tennessee.
[01:16:56]  So that's one way to go about it.
[01:16:58]  And it could pan out to be phenomenal.
[01:17:02]  But at minimum, so you could go all the way, start your own town.
[01:17:05]  But at minimum, Christians have to be a part of a church.
[01:17:09]  And so we have a church that is like minded.
[01:17:12]  That is regularly talking about these kinds of things and seeking to be faithful in our daily lives.
[01:17:17]  And so for now, that CNRB 1689, that's what we have to offer is a local church in central Texas.
[01:17:26]  And if you ever want to come and visit, we would be honored to have you.
[01:17:29]  All right.
[01:17:30]  Do we have any more super chats for today?
[01:17:33]  All right.
[01:17:33]  We are going to go ahead and cut the stream, leave it there.
[01:17:36]  Lord willing, we will see you guys on Wednesday at 3 p.m. Central Time.
[01:17:40]  God bless.