NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Pride Pullback: Real or Fake?
Aired: 2025-06-04
Duration: 02:18:12


=== Why We Leave Silence (02:39) ===

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[00:00:29]  In the cultural war zones of corporate America, something strange is happening.
[00:00:34]  June has arrived, but the battlefield looks quiet.
[00:00:38]  Rainbow logos are missing from brands that once flew them proudly.
[00:00:42]  Anheuser Busch, after three decades, has pulled its sponsorship from saint Louis Pride.
[00:00:48]  Target, rejected by organizers in its own backyard, is sitting on the sidelines in Minneapolis.
[00:00:54]  And Nike, for the first time since 1999, no global Pride collection.
[00:01:00]  Pride Month, once the high holy season of the modern West, looks less like a parade this year.
[00:01:07]  And more like a retreat.
[00:01:09]  But is it?
[00:01:11]  Is this merely a tactical withdrawal, a marketing pause in response to conservative backlash, or is it something deeper?
[00:01:20]  Is it, perhaps, the beginning of a broader collapse, something more than just a pendulum swing?
[00:01:26]  We've seen pendulum swings before.
[00:01:29]  The 1920s flaunted its rebellion only to sober up in the dust bowl austerity of the Great Depression.
[00:01:36]  The sexual revolution of the 60s gave way to the moral majority of the 80s, but neither lasted.
[00:01:42]  Both faded.
[00:01:43]  Both were reactions, but not reformations or true returns to the good, true, and beautiful.
[00:01:51]  In this episode, we'll examine that pattern, what distinguishes a short lived recoil from a lasting revival.
[00:01:59]  We'll report on what's really happening with Pride Month in 2025, which corporations are retreating, which still advance under a quieter banner, and how the local landscape tells a more complicated story than national headlines would like to admit.
[00:02:15]  And then we'll ask the only question that really matters.
[00:02:19]  If this were the beginning of a true Christian Reformation, what would it look like?
[00:02:24]  Because repentance doesn't look like silence.
[00:02:27]  It looks like confession.
[00:02:28]  It looks like repudiation.
[00:02:31]  It looks like CEOs not merely dropping rainbow logos quietly in the background, but publicly affirming God's truth.

=== True Christian Repentance (14:33) ===

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[00:03:20]  All right, GA.
[00:03:21]  Welcome back.
[00:03:22]  Good afternoon.
[00:03:23]  It's funny in the chat, everybody does the capital G, capital A for good afternoon.
[00:03:26]  And I'm always like, man, everyone who listens to us is from Georgia.
[00:03:32]  And I can tell from many of the profile picks, most of them are white.
[00:03:36]  And I'm like, man, why are all these guys living in Atlanta?
[00:03:38]  They're probably happy.
[00:03:42]  I'm just kidding.
[00:03:43]  They did a lot.
[00:03:44]  I'm feeling pretty good.
[00:03:45]  I feel like I've had a few bangers just this morning on X.
[00:03:50]  But.
[00:03:51]  It's not really the topic for today, so we'll try to stay on task.
[00:03:54]  It's officially June.
[00:03:56]  The gayest thing I've seen all month was the reposting of the music video with NT Wright and Francis Collins singing about evolution.
[00:04:06]  I don't want to hear it.
[00:04:08]  I posted that this morning and I said, even in the month of June, this is the gayest thing I've seen all month.
[00:04:14]  It was pretty bad.
[00:04:15]  But Michael, you've outlined this episode for us.
[00:04:17]  For our longtime listeners who have been with us for a while, a year ago.
[00:04:21]  Yep.
[00:04:22]  During Pride Month, we did an episode going over all the stats and saying, you know, this is what we just need to be honest about, you know, what we're so prideful about.
[00:04:32]  And they were not flattering stats.
[00:04:34]  I mean, especially for gay men, homosexuals, sodomites, I mean, you are on average, there can be some exceptions in both directions.
[00:04:44]  It could be better, it could be worse, but on average, you're shaving.
[00:04:47]  I mean, you are just deliberately by making that choice, you're shaving what, like a decade, maybe two years?
[00:04:53]  I think it's 43 to 45 average life expectancy.
[00:04:56]  Expectancy for an average gay man without HIV.
[00:04:58]  Right.
[00:04:59]  Average heterosexual is around 75.
[00:05:01]  Of course, that varies a little bit, but 75 to 45, and then another four years off of that for HIV positive.
[00:05:07]  So almost cutting your life in half.
[00:05:09]  Yeah.
[00:05:10]  It's almost like you drink the blood of a unicorn and you have a half life.
[00:05:16]  You sodomize another man, you have a half life.
[00:05:19]  So that's the episode that we did last year.
[00:05:21]  I might even repost some clips for that sometime throughout the month of June because it was a banger and it was important for people to realize.
[00:05:30]  One of the reasons why God condemns this, what God designates as that which is morally right is not arbitrary.
[00:05:37]  That which is morally right is also that which is beneficial and good.
[00:05:42]  So God doesn't say, hey, this thing that's truly healthy for you and good for you and pleasurable and all these things, I'm going to categorize it as morally wrong because I simply want to steal your joy.
[00:05:55]  I mean, we can look at the law of God, and the things that God deems as righteous are also the things that lead to life and the things that he deems as being wicked.
[00:06:04]  Actually, it has detrimental effects.
[00:06:06]  And so I think that episode was very informative.
[00:06:09]  But today we're going to hit the topic from a little bit of a different angle.
[00:06:12]  And so I'm going to give it to you, Michael, to lay it out.
[00:06:16]  Yeah, I'm really excited to go through this.
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[00:06:35]  It was really interesting, just as you were saying, Joel, as I was thinking, how, like, we live in a time where change happens so quickly.
[00:06:46]  You know, I mean, you've got month to month AI updating its model, and now it can do this.
[00:06:53]  It can do images with text.
[00:06:55]  It can do, you know, it's just constant change and constant change.
[00:06:58]  And this is actually a question that we've been circling around quite a few times with Trump and the Republican Party and MAGA and all of that.
[00:07:07]  How fast is reasonable to expect things to change?
[00:07:11]  At what point is it sandbagging?
[00:07:12]  At what point is it just a charade?
[00:07:15]  And so, that question of how quickly change can happen is really one that we ask a lot right now.
[00:07:23]  And so, it's good.
[00:07:25]  We're going to question some of the things, or we're going to, I guess, bring a little bit of perspective to some of the things going on with Pride Month and sponsors dropping their funding and their support of it.
[00:07:38]  We are going to bring some perspective and say it's not all daisies and rainbows.
[00:07:45]  I guess it is rainbows.
[00:07:47]  But I don't want to bury the lead.
[00:07:48]  It's incredible that in a year, like you said, Joel, the temperature of the nation on this topic, pride and public displays of celebration of sodomy and transgender and all of those things, it has taken a nosedive nationally.
[00:08:07]  And, you know, it's the beach ball thing that we've been talking about for a while.
[00:08:12]  Really, people have to be completely brainwashed into.
[00:08:17]  Supporting and loving and liking the whole pride thing, the whole homosexual thing.
[00:08:22]  And we are seeing a very fast change.
[00:08:25]  Now, the question that we want to ask in this episode, we are going to spend a few, actually a whole segment, talking about what companies have backed off or abandoned it entirely.
[00:08:36]  And it is good and proper for us to have a victory lap and to laugh at them and to mock them for their superficiality and duplicity and doing anything to chase the bottom dollar.
[00:08:45]  Most of this is all about reading the wins of the market.
[00:08:51]  And what do people want?
[00:08:53]  Oh, they want us to do this.
[00:08:54]  Well, if it'll sell us 10 more widgets, then we'll do this, right?
[00:08:58]  I think that the people who are in the HR offices, they might be true believers, maybe some of the CEOs, but really a lot of it is just a slave to mammon, slave to money.
[00:09:08]  So, what we want to do, though, what I want to do here first is look at some previous historical examples and just kind of compare.
[00:09:16]  There are times when true, lasting, and enduring change has happened through reformation or even violent.
[00:09:26]  not revolution, but state intervention.
[00:09:28]  And then there have been times where there has been a groundswell of movement, but it has been just mainly a pendulum swing.
[00:09:33]  And our prayer and our hope for America and the West is that this would not just be a pendulum swing.
[00:09:41]  People are tired.
[00:09:42]  We went too far with the trans stuff.
[00:09:44]  Okay, let's get back to the late 90s, early 2000s.
[00:09:47]  Like our prayer and our hope is that there would be real change, positive change, enduring decades and decades long change, that we would not repeat this error in the West ever, ever again.
[00:09:58]  I'm a little skeptical about that, but we'll see.
[00:10:00]  So, what I wanted to do is just show a graph, a chart of some of the events.
[00:10:05]  This was just kind of a random sampling.
[00:10:09]  So, we've got several events that have happened through history.
[00:10:11]  And what I tried to show on here was how long it took to accomplish that event and then how long that event happened.
[00:10:19]  So, Kristen and we talked about quite a bit a couple of weeks ago in our sacralism episode.
[00:10:24]  And so, they were reacting against pagan pluralism, civic disorder, and that actually took some time, right?
[00:10:30]  I remember the other Paul.
[00:10:32]  Outlined from the Edict of Milan, the Edict of Toleration, up until the point where paganism was really on the outs.
[00:10:39]  That was over a century and a half long process.
[00:10:43]  And yet it lasted for well over a thousand years in Europe.
[00:10:47]  The Reformation, it was a long process too 50 to 100 years, depending on what you think is the beginning and kind of the culmination.
[00:10:55]  For this graph, I went to the point where basically Protestantism was the dominant force in England.
[00:11:03]  And that lasted, you know, a quarter of a century, arguably.
[00:11:07]  That was enduring Christian change.
[00:11:09]  Interestingly, with the French Revolution, there was an immediate counter reaction against the atheism and kind of the licentiousness of the French Revolution.
[00:11:20]  And there was a really militant group that, no, they were reacting against a militant group and they tried to restore the monarchy.
[00:11:28]  They tried to restore French order as it had traditionally been.
[00:11:32]  And it happened very quickly, about one to five years, but it didn't last.
[00:11:34]  It only lasted a couple of decades.
[00:11:36]  That was probably more of a pendulum swing.
[00:11:38]  People realized, well, we're cutting off everyone's heads.
[00:11:41]  We've gone too far, and they pushed back, and it didn't last very long.
[00:11:45]  The confessional revivals this is more of a theological swing.
[00:11:49]  So, this was in the 1920s, leading up to the 1920s, when liberalism was gaining ground in the theological circles.
[00:11:56]  You think of things going on in Princeton with German higher criticism, that whole time period.
[00:12:00]  And there was somewhat of a backlash against that and partial Christian reform, right?
[00:12:07]  So, you still have the seminaries like Princeton that are very liberal, but out of that did come a pretty good, solid, at least.
[00:12:15]  For a time period, a group of Orthodox theologians.
[00:12:19]  Depression era, this is more social.
[00:12:22]  The 20s, the Roaring 20s, we call them.
[00:12:26]  Prohibition was a mixed issue.
[00:12:29]  There really were some abuses going on with alcoholism and things like that.
[00:12:33]  But behind Prohibition during the Roaring 20s was a time of incredible sexual license.
[00:12:40]  It was, I think, probably the first time ever in America that we had really just.
[00:12:47]  An abandonment of the sexual norms, the biblical norms that we inherited from the Puritans and from England.
[00:12:53]  And there was a backlash against that, partly brought on by the Great Depression, where people had to become very austere, very buttoned up, very harsh.
[00:13:03]  And it led even to a moral kind of austerity coming out of the Great Depression as well.
[00:13:09]  And that lasted about 10 to 20 years.
[00:13:11]  But again, that seems to be more of a pendulum swing.
[00:13:14]  Last one that we mentioned in the Cold Open was the 60s and 70s, again, with their sexual openness.
[00:13:19]  This is why.
[00:13:20]  It seems like for the last hundred years, there's just been a continual pendulum swing.
[00:13:24]  It gets really sexually open.
[00:13:26]  It swings back, conservative.
[00:13:28]  It gets open again.
[00:13:29]  So, in the 80s, we had the moral majority, and that lasted about a decade or two.
[00:13:34]  And then, you know, we got into the 90s and 2000s, and we're right back.
[00:13:38]  We're worse than we ever were.
[00:13:40]  So, the question is what do we think is going on?
[00:13:45]  Is this, and it doesn't actually have to be one or the other.
[00:13:48]  There can be cultural pendulum swings because we're always reacting against what came before.
[00:13:54]  That's always the context.
[00:13:56]  But those pendulum swings can also, I think, and I hope, lead to an actual seed of true change.
[00:14:06]  And the question is going to be are we going to recover in the West a true biblical sexual ethic, or are we just going to put the crazy back in the closet, believe everything else just fine?
[00:14:16]  And so, gentlemen, any thoughts on kind of that, where we're at, what you think is a pendulum swing?
[00:14:23]  Are we seeing some changes that.
[00:14:25]  Seem like they could be enduring.
[00:14:27]  And we're going to come back to this question at the end of the episode to say if it's going to last, what's going to have to happen?
[00:14:34]  Yeah, I always think of Israel and their seasons of repentance that didn't always last very long.
[00:14:42]  But in pretty much every case, the instrument that God used to bring about repentance and reformation was always pain.
[00:14:50]  And so it usually wasn't until they were in bondage, exiled, something.
[00:14:59]  Extremely painful that they were ruled over by foreigners and enslaved, or something significant that they finally would turn from their idolatry and repent.
[00:15:12]  And so, when I think in those terms, unfortunately, I'm grateful.
[00:15:18]  So, don't get me wrong, I'll take whatever we can get, even if it's shallow.
[00:15:24]  It's better than just wickedness pushing, encroaching one inch further.
[00:15:30]  So, if there's ebbs and flows and the tide is pulling back, even if it's brief and even if it's just natural reasoning and not a real reformation that comes from the Lord, I'm still grateful for that.
[00:15:45]  But if I'm trying to describe what I think is going on, I think it's just what you said.
[00:15:50]  I think it's just putting the crazy away.
[00:15:52]  I don't think it's genuinely let's return to biblical marriage, traditional families, these kinds of things.
[00:16:02]  I think that the pain.
[00:16:04]  Of that will have to be more severe and probably even economic.
[00:16:12]  Yep.
[00:16:13]  You know, where you start facing the realities of population decline.
[00:16:18]  And the problem is that we've just been able to stave a lot of things off, you know.
[00:16:22]  So I think of HIV, you know, it's like, well, we come up with medicine, you know, to stave off.
[00:16:29]  You know, if the more you're able to find ways to mitigate the natural consequences of sinful choices.
[00:16:39]  Then the less incentive you have to repent.
[00:16:41]  The prodigal son repented, but he was starving, you know, and there was no way to stave off all the consequences from the wicked decisions that he had made.
[00:16:53]  And if there were, it seems as though the implication from that particular parable is that he wouldn't repent.
[00:16:58]  It's not until that moment.
[00:17:01]  You know, we've handled in our church discipline cases where, you know, because sometimes people, and I always have to kind of sit them down and explain it to them, but sometimes people will be like, well, this person.

=== Consequences of Pride (14:29) ===

[00:17:12]  Just, you know, is just seemingly repenting because they finally, you know, experience consequences.
[00:17:18]  And my response is who are you to say that it's a pseudo repentance?
[00:17:25]  It may be, but that's actually one of the ways that God causes us to repent severe consequences.
[00:17:31]  That's what he, you know, happens with the prodigal son.
[00:17:33]  That's what happens with Israel, you know, time and time again.
[00:17:37]  And so I've pastorally dealt with cases where it's like I've met with someone for years and there's, you know, no repentance.
[00:17:45]  And Then all of a sudden, there's some natural consequences, whether it's legal, you know, or health or whatever.
[00:17:53]  And then all of a sudden, they're like, oh my goodness, you know, and they're like running to the scripture and wanting to obey the Lord.
[00:18:00]  And so that's a mercy.
[00:18:02]  That doesn't mean that it's fake, that it's not genuine repentance.
[00:18:04]  That natural consequences are a mercy from God.
[00:18:07]  So my point is, in our case, I mean, even China, you know, reversed their one child policy.
[00:18:13]  And I mean, you don't have to be a Christian nation to still recognize, whoa, wait a second, like what we're doing is suicidal.
[00:18:21]  And we have to return at least to the natural order and the way that the world works, whether we return to the triune God or not.
[00:18:31]  But even that, that kind of course correction requires consequences.
[00:18:36]  And if you find a way to mitigate all those consequences, then you may not get those results, those changes.
[00:18:41]  And so, like when I think of the United States, I'll get a little weird for just a second.
[00:18:46]  And I think we might end up doing an episode on this on Friday, talking about AI and some of those things.
[00:18:52]  But for the longest time, like white people really are being replaced and birth rates have declined and all these kinds of things.
[00:18:59]  And there's reasons, but some of it being elites, you know, manufacturing this and wicked, you know, manipulation and all this stuff.
[00:19:07]  And then also just a bunch of white people not wanting to have children and being selfish.
[00:19:13]  And so it's, you know, it's both.
[00:19:15]  There's responsibility on both sides.
[00:19:18]  But one of the things that has caused us not to see that sooner.
[00:19:23]  Population decline and not having, you know, not hitting the reproductive levels.
[00:19:30]  One of the things that's mitigated that consequence is, you know, limitless immigration.
[00:19:35]  And, but then that's brought about its own consequence.
[00:19:39]  Like, kind of like if you have like a hurt shoulder, you know, and instead of letting it heal, you just keep using it, but you just keep popping Tylenol, you know, or ibuprofen maybe is a better example.
[00:19:51]  And then all of a sudden you have a stomach ulcer.
[00:19:53]  You know, because six months go by and you've been taking, you know, 10 ibuprofen a day, um, and you wind up in the ER because your stomach's bleeding, you know, um, but, uh, that said, uh, you know, so it's like you do something to stave off one consequence, but then that has its own consequence.
[00:20:09]  And so, immigration now, you know, we use that to, you know, it's like, well, the timeless question I feel like for America has always been, who's going to pick the cotton, right?
[00:20:17]  So, like, we've got to have slaves, you know, and it's like, well, we've got to have immigrants, you know, like, okay, you know, but, but then the immigrants have their own consequences, like, um, You know, like little things like raping your wives and children, you know, like those kinds of things, and, you know, and destroying the country.
[00:20:34]  So that kind of sucks.
[00:20:36]  And it's like, okay, well, maybe immigration is not going to fix, you know, the consequences of population decline from the sexual revolution and all these kinds of things.
[00:20:44]  But what if you can just keep staving it off?
[00:20:46]  What if you can replace slaves with immigrants?
[00:20:48]  And then what if you can eventually replace immigrants with robots?
[00:20:52]  You know, and then, you know, like, what if you can keep mitigating consequences?
[00:20:59]  And I think that's part of my fear is that Western society, because of Christendom, is so advanced and innovative and so rich and wealthy that it's really hard to deplete the father's inheritance, right?
[00:21:17]  The prodigal returns to the father because he eventually spends all the money.
[00:21:21]  And my impression from that parable is I don't think he does it in an afternoon.
[00:21:25]  It seems like it took him a while.
[00:21:26]  Yeah, I agree.
[00:21:27]  Because it was a large inheritance.
[00:21:29]  And we have such a large inheritance.
[00:21:31]  From the fruits of obedience to Christ over close to a millennium.
[00:21:36]  Not just America, but America sitting on top of centuries of revival and reformation in Europe.
[00:21:44]  And so it takes quite a while to spend all that inheritance.
[00:21:47]  And every time we start to get low in the coffers, it seems like we come up with some other way to mitigate the consequences for sin apart from repentance and actually turning to the Lord Jesus Christ.
[00:22:01]  And one of the ways we actually find a way to mitigate those consequences.
[00:22:05]  Is by our wealth and innovation and advancement and all these fruits of a prior Christendom.
[00:22:14]  So, in some ways, it feels like God ultimately will not be mocked.
[00:22:17]  A man reaps what he sows.
[00:22:19]  So, eventually, we're going to have to pay the piper.
[00:22:22]  But I guess what I'm saying is it really could be a while because that inheritance is so significant from a thousand years, give or take, of obedience to the Lord Jesus.
[00:22:35]  That you know, um, you spend a lot of it and you're feeling a little bit hungry, but you still have some left in the coffers, and you can invest over here, um, and get a return and then fill your belly, you know, and live another day.
[00:22:49]  I feel like that's what we keep doing and keep doing and keep doing.
[00:22:54]  Somehow they find a way for the GDP to keep going up.
[00:22:57]  So, all that being said, I don't think we're there yet.
[00:23:02]  And here's the thing like, honestly, I hope we don't get there in my lifetime, in my children's lifetime.
[00:23:08]  I don't want to get to the point where people are starving and there's chaos on the streets and there's race wars.
[00:23:16]  And I don't want to live through that.
[00:23:19]  I certainly don't want my children to live through that.
[00:23:22]  If possible, yeah, I would love for my generation and my children's generation to not have to eat the pig food.
[00:23:30]  That's certainly my hope.
[00:23:31]  But apart from the pig food, I don't know if we change.
[00:23:37]  I'm optimistic, Michael.
[00:23:38]  You showed that graph and you definitely noted more of the last hundred years because they are more fresh in our memory.
[00:23:44]  But there can be patterns within patterns.
[00:23:46]  So smaller movements that then are part of a larger movement.
[00:23:49]  I think the larger movement, if you tracked it back to the French Revolution, I mean, Mary Percy Shelley, she writes Frankenstein in 1818.
[00:23:56]  So you had an early type of sexual revolution then, that of course is nowhere near where we're at today.
[00:24:00]  But each of these are kind of, you can think of two steps backwards, three steps backwards, and then there'd be that countercultural thing and it would be one or two steps forward.
[00:24:08]  Then you take another three to five steps backwards.
[00:24:10]  And those are all movements within a larger, broader movement that's been going this way.
[00:24:15]  So I think the question is we're in the middle of a, we definitely took our three, our five, 10 steps backwards in the last decade to two decades.
[00:24:22]  That was the embrace of, Homosexuality, alternative lifestyles, even polygamy and open marriages.
[00:24:29]  Those have been really a thing.
[00:24:31]  So, we really took our cake, we ran with it, and we certainly are seeing the step backwards.
[00:24:35]  Now, here's the question in the larger macro picture, is there going to be your two, three steps back to that way?
[00:24:40]  And then we redoubled down again.
[00:24:42]  And I actually am optimistic, not just because of the things that we're about to talk about that we're seeing here, but everywhere.
[00:24:48]  I mean, the rebellion against feminism, the rebellion against globalism.
[00:24:51]  We could literally be the turning point.
[00:24:54]  We're since the French Revolution, 270s.
[00:24:57]  So you're about 225, 250 years at this liberal drift, this drift towards equality, this drift towards egalitarianism.
[00:25:05]  It's been in the water.
[00:25:05]  We've never made real progress as we click, all the way this way.
[00:25:11]  What really might be happening in God's grace is it's finally twisted.
[00:25:15]  And now we're about to hit five steps forward, two steps back, seven steps forward, three steps back.
[00:25:20]  That would be in God's grace what I would love to see.
[00:25:22]  I'm optimistic, and even the energy behind it can be the deciding factor.
[00:25:26]  That is the turning point.
[00:25:27]  Right.
[00:25:27]  So, again, to your point, if you just kind of go like, all right, they're back in the closet, civilization is saved, boys.
[00:25:32]  That's right.
[00:25:33]  Well, that then opens it up for, you know, next year, we're going to take this flag and we're going to plant it again.
[00:25:38]  But to say, no, we're done with it.
[00:25:39]  And we're not just done with the progress that you've made in the last 15 years, we're done with the progress you made in the last 150 years.
[00:25:45]  Right.
[00:25:45]  When you got it taken away as a mental disease classification, when sodomy was decriminalized, this, that, or the other.
[00:25:51]  Yeah, that is possible with our current population.
[00:25:56]  I personally don't see that.
[00:25:58]  But I'm hopeful, I guess, you know, going maybe taking a detour in my white pill journey here.
[00:26:05]  I'm hopeful, like Israel, you know, particularly in the wilderness generation, that they're stiff necked people.
[00:26:14]  And it's like, well, maybe they'll finally learn.
[00:26:16]  And, you know, and they don't.
[00:26:18]  Like, so sometimes it's like God brings you to the bottom of the barrel so that you finally experience enough of his rod in order to repent.
[00:26:27]  But then other times, God, you know, just simply.
[00:26:32]  Kills off one generation and raises up another.
[00:26:34]  So, I'm not hopeful that the current population of Americans are going to just see the light.
[00:26:41]  But I am hopeful for about 10 to 15 years from now, I think something significant will happen that gives me a lot of hope in about 10 to 15 years.
[00:26:51]  I think we'll have a different people and some real hope of making some different choices.
[00:26:59]  Well, that's one of the reasons on the chart I put an estimate of how long those counter.
[00:27:05]  Movements took to accomplish.
[00:27:08]  And some of them were a century or two.
[00:27:11]  And some of them, even the shortest ones, were like a decade or two.
[00:27:14]  That was the effort by the more, I guess, for lack of a better term, conservative or biblical counter push to kind of marshal its strength and push back against.
[00:27:25]  Even in pendulum swings, those didn't happen overnight.
[00:27:30]  So I think if you count the last five years, well, 10 since the Burgerfell.
[00:27:35]  Um, if you, if we go with your 10 or 15 years Joel, that would be 20 to 25 years.
[00:27:41]  I think that's pretty reasonable, at least for some sort of meaningful pushback.
[00:27:47]  It's not going to happen overnight, right?
[00:27:49]  Um because like, like Joel, you've talked about before the the, the girls on their phones just checking instagram, and they've got the chip they can replay.
[00:27:58]  Be replaced the, the NCPS, then yeah NPCS NPCS sorry they they, it could the, the pride movement could fall out of disfavor Pretty easily.
[00:28:09]  Yeah.
[00:28:10]  Well, with half the population, it can fall out of favor in 15 minutes.
[00:28:14]  Yes.
[00:28:14]  Because half the population, you know my theory on that, but I truly believe that it's not like, oh, women are no longer submissive and their entire disposition and nature has been changed.
[00:28:23]  No.
[00:28:25]  Women submit to authority.
[00:28:26]  And the reigning authority has been the global gay, the G A E.
[00:28:31]  So it's not that women have been sticking it to the man.
[00:28:34]  No, women have been saying, yes, sir, I'm a woman and I will follow men.
[00:28:38]  And the men are evil.
[00:28:39]  That's why.
[00:28:40]  So, what you've seen for the last 40, 50 years is men leaving the church and women remain because the reigning authority was still at some point, or at least to some degree, this moral, Christian, traditional, religious authority.
[00:28:59]  So, men rebelled, right?
[00:29:01]  That's what men do.
[00:29:02]  They think for themselves, they make their own choices for better and for worse.
[00:29:05]  And so, men left the church and women and children stayed.
[00:29:09]  Well, this is the first time in the last couple of years.
[00:29:12]  We talked about this a couple of weeks ago and showed a graph.
[00:29:14]  It's the first time that men are actually, young men particularly, are returning to the church.
[00:29:19]  And women are the ones who are the most liberal, the most progressive, and the ones who are leaving.
[00:29:24]  And I think it's, again, it's not because women all of a sudden changed their tune and were like, now we're going to think for ourselves and we're going to rebel against the man, you know, and we're going to stand up and be independent.
[00:29:34]  No, it's because the transition of authorities from old traditional Christian.
[00:29:43]  To new progressive secular has fully taken place.
[00:29:48]  And so the female population is actually still just doing the same thing, namely submitting to authority.
[00:29:55]  It's just a different authority.
[00:29:57]  It used to be a Christian authority and now it's a gay authority.
[00:30:00]  Whereas the men are doing precisely what they've always done, which is rebelling against the authority.
[00:30:04]  And because the authority these days is super liberal and super progressive and super duper gay, men are like, uh uh, wait, you're like the reigning authority is saying that I should be a homo?
[00:30:16]  Well, I hate homos.
[00:30:18]  I'm going to church, gosh darn it, just to stick it to the man.
[00:30:22]  And that's kind of where we're at.
[00:30:23]  But I say that that's hopeful in the sense that men will always lead the way.
[00:30:29]  So, in the same way that men left the church and then the women eventually became progressive and liberal, you know, in the same way, I think if men come back to the church, women will eventually fall.
[00:30:39]  I, uh, people can be reset to factory settings, I think, really pretty easily.
[00:30:43]  There was a video that went viral.
[00:30:45]  It was probably about six months ago.
[00:30:47]  There was a girl in LA who she was just self professed, like, I'm progressive, I'm a feminist.
[00:30:51]  She said, But here's the deal, guys.
[00:30:53]  I went out last night on a date with like a manly man and he gave me his credit card and said, Get whatever.
[00:30:58]  And literally, she was like, I literally felt the feminism leave my body.
[00:31:01]  We're talking about like a six hour Evening for drinks together in LA, and she's like, You know, all that crap that I spent all my time in college learning and becoming my personality went away when I literally just encountered a man in Los Angeles with testosterone above 500.
[00:31:15]  Yeah, like people can be reset so easily.
[00:31:17]  So, to your point, Joel, it's not like women have had a hundred years PSYOP run on them that fundamentally all traces of it are gone.
[00:31:23]  Like, no, this could all be undone in a couple years.
[00:31:26]  51% of the population, I think that's what you know, women are they can change on a dime.
[00:31:31]  Um, so it really comes down to the men, yep, and I'm hopeful for the men because.
[00:31:37]  They've been so disparaged and so beaten down that they're angry.

=== Feminism Leaves the Body (10:11) ===

[00:31:41]  Yeah.
[00:31:42]  And my, you know, you know, and now there's, you know, obviously like in your anger, do not sin.
[00:31:47]  There can be certain pitfalls, but on the whole, young men in America being angry, my response is good.
[00:31:55]  That's the anger.
[00:31:56]  And they can be reset to factory too by watching some David Goggins videos, by getting up early, by getting into shape and seeing the results of it.
[00:32:03]  Same thing for them.
[00:32:04]  Like you take a young man that has just been.
[00:32:06]  You know, nothing, a consumer sitting at home doing nothing, get him a job, get him some sunlight, get him some weights.
[00:32:13]  Boom, that man will be a far right revolutionary in a year.
[00:32:16]  Yeah.
[00:32:17]  The real question before we go to our commercial break will be the ideology is still very entrenched in the Republican Party as it exists now.
[00:32:26]  You know, we talked already at length this year about how a number of the people that Trump's appointed are openly gay or supposedly married to gay partners, et cetera.
[00:32:36]  So there's a long way to go, but the The point of this first section is we are in the middle of something.
[00:32:44]  It's either a pendulum shift a little ways or a major return to God's natural order.
[00:32:53]  And we're praying it's the second one.
[00:32:55]  But even if it's just the first one, it's better than what, like you said, Joel, it's better than what it has been.
[00:33:00]  And we're grateful.
[00:33:01]  Yeah.
[00:33:01]  Some things that help just real quick is what was it?
[00:33:04]  Is it David Greenwald?
[00:33:06]  Glenn Greenwald.
[00:33:07]  Glenn.
[00:33:08]  That's right.
[00:33:08]  Glenn Greenwald.
[00:33:09]  Yeah.
[00:33:10]  So, like, some things that do help.
[00:33:11]  Because I was going to say, like, so the GOP is super gay.
[00:33:14]  Like what you were saying, it's entrenched in the Republican Party.
[00:33:18]  But I think a lot of that is not so much ideological.
[00:33:21]  Like Trump, for instance, I don't think he's an ideologue.
[00:33:24]  I don't think he really has much conviction one way or the other.
[00:33:26]  I think he has convictions on, he's a 1990s liberal Democrat and has been a businessman his whole life.
[00:33:35]  So I think he genuinely has convictions on some of the financial pieces like tariffs.
[00:33:39]  Right.
[00:33:40]  But other than that, like, I think he's like, I'm for Israel.
[00:33:43]  And then, you know, if Netanyahu offends him, he's like, I'm not for Israel.
[00:33:48]  You know what I mean?
[00:33:48]  Like, I don't think he has a deep, entrenched, like, true conviction one way or the other.
[00:33:52]  He's like, you know, the Adelsons gave me $100 million.
[00:33:56]  I'm for Israel.
[00:33:58]  You know, and then this guy's doing his laundry.
[00:34:00]  You know, this Jew's doing his laundry at the White House.
[00:34:03]  I'm not for Israel.
[00:34:04]  You know, and so my point is with the gay thing, especially when I think of the present GOP, thinking of Trump and MAGA, I don't think it's like ideologically, we've studied the issue and we're genuinely convicted that gay is good.
[00:34:20]  I don't think that's it.
[00:34:21]  I think a lot of it really is with Trump and MAGA as a whole.
[00:34:25]  It's just relationships.
[00:34:26]  And we're all to not just pick on Trump, we're all kind of like that.
[00:34:31]  We're all tempted to make concessions for the people that we love.
[00:34:35]  We just are.
[00:34:36]  And so I think letting so many gays into the Republican Party over time, they've made friendships and relationships.
[00:34:48]  And so now when you think of it, you're like, okay, well, we'll stop the most progressive, crazy, extreme versions of the LGBT mafia.
[00:34:57]  But so and so is my friend.
[00:34:59]  And so, in the providence of God, I thank God.
[00:35:01]  I mean, it's absolutely disgusting, but I thank God that in his mercy, the good gays are having videos released where it's like, okay, here's a good gay who is a single father.
[00:35:14]  So, as far as we can tell, children are in the home, probably asleep, but in the same house, there are children.
[00:35:23]  And he's got hard drugs in the background.
[00:35:26]  You can see it in the video and is doing this dominant humiliation ritual.
[00:35:33]  And recording it.
[00:35:34]  And what I love about that is, it's like, man, that's a really unique case.
[00:35:39]  Nope.
[00:35:41]  That's like, I mean, you know, that's one in a thousand.
[00:35:44]  Nope.
[00:35:45]  That's every gay dude ever.
[00:35:49]  They're all perfs.
[00:35:50]  Yep.
[00:35:51]  You don't, you don't, it's not just like, oh, I have a gay gene or like, no, no, no, no.
[00:35:55]  You're talking about, you can read the statistics.
[00:35:59]  The average gay man has 500 plus partners over his lifetime.
[00:36:04]  And I think it's like 25%, a quarter of gay men have 1,000 plus.
[00:36:08]  And to be fair, that's a study from the 70s in San Francisco.
[00:36:10]  So its applicability is going to vary across.
[00:36:12]  You know, you take a young man that just is in high school, it's going to vary up and down.
[00:36:16]  But there are whole groups of gay men that they've interviewed.
[00:36:18]  And they're like, yeah, about half of us have had 500 or more sexual partners in our lifetime.
[00:36:23]  Yes.
[00:36:23]  Yeah.
[00:36:24]  And the type, you know, the manner of sexual engagement that they're, you know, that they're taking part in is immensely perverse.
[00:36:34]  And so, yeah, I mean, even when, you know, two gay men, you know, purchase.
[00:36:40]  A baby, you know, through surrogacy, which is just absolutely ridiculous that we're, you know, human trafficking for gay men to live out their, you know, their pleasure.
[00:36:49]  How come it's always a boy?
[00:36:52]  Like, two gay dudes always adopt.
[00:36:54]  Uh, let me guess, is it going to be a little girl?
[00:36:56]  No, it's a boy.
[00:36:57]  Oh, it's another boy.
[00:36:58]  Oh, it's another boy.
[00:37:00]  Oh, it's another every time.
[00:37:01]  Every time.
[00:37:02]  Every single time.
[00:37:03]  This is an every single time situation.
[00:37:04]  Greenwald is Jewish, as does Dave Rubin and his partner.
[00:37:07]  So, as, yep, so as this continues to happen and more of this stuff gets released, I think that this is my theory.
[00:37:14]  I'll stop here.
[00:37:15]  But I think that the left overplayed its hand.
[00:37:17]  2020 to 2022 was kind of the high water mark.
[00:37:20]  You saw it through tyranny and COVID and BLM and super duper gayness with Target, with like, what were they?
[00:37:29]  The things that hide your breasts from the chest binders.
[00:37:32]  Chest binders for little girls.
[00:37:34]  Yeah.
[00:37:35]  And so they overplayed their hand.
[00:37:37]  What we need now, I think, in the providence of God, if He would be so kind, is to show us, oh, these weren't just the one off rare occasions.
[00:37:45]  For the extreme manifestations of the LGBT mafia.
[00:37:50]  But we need is for more Glenn Greenwalds to come out.
[00:37:54]  Like, even the good guys who are teaming up with the conservatives, they're super duper gross.
[00:38:01]  And I think with enough of those, people realize, oh, this is just par for the course.
[00:38:06]  This is just the lifestyle.
[00:38:08]  This is what it means to be gay.
[00:38:10]  Like, people think I'm just trying to be funny or I'm trying to get a rise.
[00:38:15]  I'm not.
[00:38:17]  Like, there's been a 40 year psyop to propagandize people to think that, you know, Will and Grace, you know, or Modern Family with Mitch and Cam or something, you know, like there's been this very intentional, deliberate psyop.
[00:38:31]  And I mean, millions and millions of dollars poured into it, billions to say they're just like you, right?
[00:38:38]  They, in fact, they're better than you because they're artistic and creative and compassionate.
[00:38:46]  And I just think the general public needs to be reminded, both Christians and non Christians alike, that there are all these characteristics of the gay community creativity and artistic.
[00:38:57]  But the key defining characteristic of the gay community is butt sex with a sprinkle of child abuse.
[00:39:04]  And until the average person is ready to admit that and has seen it so pervasively that they can't make it go away, it's etched in their brains, then we're not going to be able to put the gay away.
[00:39:15]  And we must put the gay away.
[00:39:17]  Homosexuals, there's only two places for them to go in a healthy, viable society, and that's either the cross or the closet.
[00:39:26]  So, um, but anywhere else on the public square with parades, uh, then that society is committing suicide.
[00:39:33]  A healthy society, um, will always have some individuals who have chosen a perverse lifestyle, but it should only reserve for them two options, uh, that it's sequestered, it's in the closet, it's private, it's not celebrated, it's not approved of publicly.
[00:39:49]  Um, Or go to the cross and believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and repent of your sin and then come back and be praised for your repentance and your love for Christ.
[00:40:01]  But so long as we praise sin, then we're doomed.
[00:40:07]  And I think part of the reason we're praising sin is because we have found a way very intentionally and deliberately over decades to make that sin look like we have really been working hard to polish a turd.
[00:40:23]  Like a 40 year long turd polishing campaign.
[00:40:25]  We're like, all right, so it's going to be hard to get around the butt sex, but how can we somehow make this look great?
[00:40:35]  It's like, well, look at their taste in the curtains and drapes and interior design, you know?
[00:40:41]  And like, oh, and they adopted a sweet little Asian girl, a modern family, and look at how kind they are as parents.
[00:40:47]  And I mean, we've had to do triple axles and jumping through hoops.
[00:40:52]  And I think, you know, the antidote is.
[00:40:55]  Just, you know, for it to be exposed more and more.
[00:40:57]  Nope, that actually is just a thin veneer.
[00:41:02]  And the real descriptive of a homosexual lifestyle is disease, promiscuity, infidelity, abuse, drug and alcohol addictions, terrible in that community.
[00:41:20]  That's, I mean, that is the defining characteristics.
[00:41:24]  So, yeah.
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=== Corporate Retreat from Pride (15:43) ===

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[00:45:36]  Well, what we want to do now in this section is spend a few minutes going through some of the examples of the companies and corporations that have either completely opted out or pulled back on Pride Festival this year.
[00:45:51]  And it was, again, encouraging because as I was researching this, it was.
[00:45:57]  There are way too many for us to even go over right now.
[00:45:59]  There were a lot of companies, white pill way back.
[00:46:03]  Yeah, so this is a good thing.
[00:46:06]  One of the questions, one of the things to understand before I go through this list is how this whole system has come about.
[00:46:11]  So, there's something called the Human Rights Campaign, which has nothing to do with human rights.
[00:46:16]  It was started in the 70s, actually, the 80s, it changed names from what it was in the 70s.
[00:46:22]  It was started by a guy named Steve Ndean, who was a gay man in the 70s and started the Gay Rights National Lobby in 1978.
[00:46:33]  And it transitioned then, it rebranded itself to the Human Rights Campaign.
[00:46:38]  And what this has done is it's garnered a lot of donors.
[00:46:43]  And so it built up a lot of money.
[00:46:45]  And then what it began to do was it has a lobbying arm for lobbying the government, the U.S. government and state governments.
[00:46:53]  But primarily what it has done, it has gone to corporations and companies and human resource divisions and universities and has put pressure on them to make it, Desirable for them to quote unquote be an ally of the gay rights movement, the LGBTQ movement.
[00:47:15]  And so, one of the most powerful things that they have in their disposal is what they call their equality score.
[00:47:24]  I think that's what it is.
[00:47:25]  And it's a rating that they give to major companies and universities around the country.
[00:47:32]  And they rate these corporations and companies based on how affirming and supportive and how much of an ally they are to the LGBTQ movement.
[00:47:43]  Movement.
[00:47:44]  And that score, that desire to have a high score on that has led many, many companies who have really nothing, like their business doesn't even run in the sectors that would be somewhat adjacent to what you said, Joel, earlier, the stereotype of gay rights.
[00:48:04]  So it's not a fashion company, it's a finance company, BlackRock.
[00:48:09]  What's the airplane manufacturer?
[00:48:13]  Not Boeing.
[00:48:14]  Anyway, Delta.
[00:48:17]  No, no, no.
[00:48:17]  They fly airplanes.
[00:48:20]  I'll remember it in a minute.
[00:48:25]  Companies that have really no adjacent space with the gay culture, they get told, look, we are going to assign you a score this year, and it's going to rate how much of an ally you are to the gay community.
[00:48:39]  And then we're going to publicize this score.
[00:48:41]  And that threat or incentive, however you want to look at it, has been enough to convince many corporations to, for instance, in June, Put things on their website or to design a line of clothing just for June that's pride, gay affirming, etc.
[00:48:58]  So there's two ways that companies manifest their support.
[00:49:02]  One is if they're in a sector like Nike, they might design a line that is all about pride and it has their disgusting flag and colors on it.
[00:49:15]  And so they'll run that line for all of June.
[00:49:17]  So if it's a company that makes sense in kind of some sort of Space where they can kind of brand the pride colors and logo all over the place, then they'll do that.
[00:49:27]  But there are other companies that that doesn't make as much sense with, like Comcast, the telecom company.
[00:49:36]  But what they do is they get pressured into being major sponsors of the big pride festivals in major cities around America.
[00:49:47]  And so each of the cities has its own kind of independent organization.
[00:49:51]  So the San Francisco, Pride Festival is its own organization.
[00:49:55]  There's one in Toronto, there's one in New York, there's one in DC, Chicago, all over the country.
[00:50:01]  But the Equal Rights Commission comes in and they say, look, it's not like you can release a line of clothing that will support Pride, but you can become one of our premier donors.
[00:50:11]  And for most of these organizations, that is $175,000 or more to the monthly Pride festival going on in that city.
[00:50:21]  And so what we're going to see are some examples of companies who have either stopped some sort of clothing line, or what they've done is they've stopped being one of the kind of diamond level donors.
[00:50:35]  Of these independent city pride festivals, and the big ones, of course, are New York, um, uh, San Francisco, Chicago, uh, some of the other ones.
[00:50:45]  And so, it's not that, um, you know, Anheuser-Busch is funding all of it, they might just be a donor to the pride parade or festival in their local city, but that's enough to get them this score of extreme ally or the highest possible ranking that you could get.
[00:51:04]  And so, when we say that brands are pulling Back.
[00:51:07]  From their support of the Lgbtq movement, they're either not releasing all the products they did in previous years or they have withdrawn their financial support of these local um pride parades and pride celebrations.
[00:51:22]  So the one that that really I think we have to start with is Anheuser BUSH.
[00:51:28]  Now, of course, they own BUD Light.
[00:51:30]  That was the Dylan Mulvaney fiasco uh, two years ago, and it's amazing they have still not recovered from that um.
[00:51:37]  They've come back a little bit, but they're not where they were two years ago, before that happened.
[00:51:41]  What's interesting is they actually have a 30-year track record of supporting the Pride Festival in St. Louis.
[00:51:50]  Major, major, major donations.
[00:51:53]  30 years in a row.
[00:51:54]  So the Dylan Mulvaney thing, it pushed the trance button, but it really was just a continuation of the support that they had been showing for a long time.
[00:52:02]  This is supposedly the Great American Beer Company, right?
[00:52:05]  That stands for traditional American values.
[00:52:08]  No, 30 years they've been an ally.
[00:52:11]  1995.
[00:52:12]  And this year, they withdrew all of their funding from that local Pride parade in St. Louis, which to me is huge because that's a long time.
[00:52:26]  And that was back before it was kind of maybe beneficial to jump on the bandwagon like companies have over the last couple of years as the LGBTQ movement has reached its fervor.
[00:52:43]  A burger fail had been passed, had not been passed.
[00:52:46]  It wasn't the cool hip thing that all the companies were doing.
[00:52:48]  They really were doing this for a long time, almost from the ground level, not quite.
[00:52:53]  But I think that I'm spending a little longer explaining Anheuser-Busch because that is a significant one to me.
[00:53:00]  The fact that they've been in the game so long and they're now pulling back to me is really a big deal.
[00:53:06]  We were saying before we started that it's probably the Dylan Mulvaney thing happened.
[00:53:10]  It wasn't even like a public can.
[00:53:11]  This was not something like you'd walk into Walmart and there's an ugly face would be greeting you at the beer wall.
[00:53:16]  It was literally just a A small line of cans, and I have to think they were shocked that it caused any type of weight.
[00:53:22]  Yeah, wait a second, we've been sponsoring Pride for 30 years, which kind of goes back to my point earlier that something's happened that people finally got to the point where they're like, I am not seeing this ugliness pushed even on my beer can, and I'll pick a different beer.
[00:53:34]  It's kind of the perfect product to say you like it's you people have tried in the past to boycott Walmart or Nike, but like honestly, when it comes to pay week quality, when it comes to location, like maybe Walmart's all you have around, or maybe you run track and Nike makes the best shoes.
[00:53:48]  But beer is kind of that perfect thing because there's always going to be options, whether you're at the bar, whether you're at the grocery store.
[00:53:53]  So it was the perfect product.
[00:53:54]  It was a perfect, terrible mascot for it that catalyzed that blowback that cost them, I mean, billions in market cap, right?
[00:54:01]  Yeah.
[00:54:02]  It did.
[00:54:02]  Absolutely.
[00:54:03]  Billions.
[00:54:03]  Their stock went way down.
[00:54:04]  Yeah.
[00:54:05]  Real quick pause.
[00:54:06]  Nathan, there's someone in the chat I'd like for you to ban.
[00:54:10]  Insert meme.
[00:54:13]  You want to ban this person from the chat because they're quoting a Viking Bible and a bunch of pagan Norse mythology.
[00:54:21]  I want to ban them because they have a pit bull in their profile picture.
[00:54:25]  We are not the same.
[00:54:27]  But, yeah, the philosophical pit bull.
[00:54:29]  Let's go ahead and ban them with their pagan, godless propaganda, but perhaps just as bad their pit bull propaganda.
[00:54:39]  Pit bull respecter.
[00:54:40]  We love the truth and we also love children.
[00:54:44]  And both of those things are threatened one by their content from the Viking Norse god mythology, and children are threatened by pit bulls that rip them to shreds.
[00:54:55]  Under Christian nationalism, all pit bulls will be lined up and shot.
[00:54:58]  Okay.
[00:54:58]  We can continue.
[00:54:59]  Do you want to hit that super chat real quick while we're on the live?
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[00:55:14]  So he gave us $70.
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[00:55:17]  He said, I'm especially proud to support Right Response's Righteous Crusade against sodomy this month.
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[00:55:27]  All right.
[00:55:28]  So, I was mentioning the cities and their pride festivals, and the budgets for these things have become multi million dollar a year budgets that they have.
[00:55:37]  And then they take these, and that's what they throw their parades and their events and their going into schools and their story hours and all this kind of stuff.
[00:55:45]  But these city pride festivals have hit major funding hurdles because so many corporate sponsors have backed out.
[00:55:53]  So, Nate, let's show quote number one on here.
[00:55:57]  This is from an article in The Guardian.
[00:56:01]  And it says, in another blow to one of the largest celebrations of LGBTQ people in North America, Pride Toronto has unexpectedly lost two major corporate sponsors.
[00:56:12]  Just weeks before the festival, in a setback, the festival's organizer says, is directly the result of Donald Trump's campaign to eradicate diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives in the U.S.
[00:56:23]  And this is a quote from the organizer These are American companies and they are showing their true colors, said Modesta.
[00:56:31]  We thought they were with the community, but clearly, They're not.
[00:56:38]  What I find fascinating here is I found this in a lot of the news articles.
[00:56:44]  They are not willing to say this is just a perverse ideology.
[00:56:50]  So many of them circled back to it's because Trump has put pressure on DEI.
[00:56:54]  And so it's because he's pressuring the boardrooms and he's making the commercial climate hostile to DEI.
[00:57:05]  They will not acknowledge that it might be about.
[00:57:09]  Sodomy.
[00:57:10]  Oh, it's a more benign explanation, but it ties to what Joel said earlier.
[00:57:13]  I remember 2022 being the pinnacle of pride.
[00:57:16]  I mean, they were practically painting your sidewalk in your neighborhood.
[00:57:19]  You ate your way, it was coming down, just painting pride flags.
[00:57:22]  Like it was everywhere.
[00:57:23]  But a big part of that was we were in a time of 0% interest rates.
[00:57:26]  That's right.
[00:57:27]  It didn't cost you anything to carry debt.
[00:57:29]  And so companies were doing these big expansions, whether it was in manufacturing, whether it was in hiring, whether it was in investments.
[00:57:34]  And so you have just tons and tons of cash, honestly, floating around.
[00:57:37]  And so that's when you're much more likely to say, Hey, you want $200,000, the city of pride, Biden's in office, we're all in on this.
[00:57:44]  I think a big part of it, not the only thing, but a big part was a couple of years ago, money, cheap money, no borrowing rates.
[00:57:51]  That was really easy to come by.
[00:57:52]  And so they were happy to write the checks versus now.
[00:57:54]  I mean, we know the friends and people in our church, even that have experienced layoffs or downsizing, whatever it is.
[00:58:00]  Capital is a lot harder and it costs a lot more to maintain.
[00:58:03]  So these big companies, no repentance, of course, but they're tightening the buckle and they're like, yeah, St. Louis Pride.
[00:58:08]  Like, we're just, we're not giving 200 grand to that.
[00:58:10]  We're going to keep a couple more staff on board because that's the decision we're facing.
[00:58:13]  Right.
[00:58:13]  Yeah.
[00:58:14]  That's a good point.
[00:58:14]  Yeah.
[00:58:15]  Okay.
[00:58:16]  Just a real quick list.
[00:58:17]  Still love it.
[00:58:20]  Still love it.
[00:58:21]  So the New York Pride organization lost four of its five primary donors.
[00:58:27]  Okay, so Garnier, the shampoo company, dropped out.
[00:58:30]  MasterCard dropped out, although the company said they will still be supporting, they will be participating in the parade.
[00:58:39]  They're just not going to fund it.
[00:58:41]  But big, big sponsor that isn't funding it at all.
[00:58:46]  Target, this is a really interesting one.
[00:58:48]  Target last year pulled way back.
[00:58:50]  Right, and then there was backlash against them from the LGBTQ community this year.
[00:58:57]  Target actually approached the New York Pride Foundation or committee and said, Hey, we'd like to sponsor you.
[00:59:06]  And they said, No, go pound sand.
[00:59:07]  You turned your back on us last year, we don't want your money anymore.
[00:59:10]  So I love it, it's fantastic.
[00:59:13]  Yep, um, and I said, MasterCard already, um, Comcast, um, that's just a smattering of them.
[00:59:21]  Yep.
[00:59:22]  Nate, let's look at quote number two here, if you don't mind.
[00:59:28]  So this is going to lead into what I think is really the interesting story here.
[00:59:36]  This is from an article talking about why major companies are stepping away from Pride this year.
[00:59:45]  And the article says this.
[00:59:46]  It's not like big business and the government ushered us.
[00:59:50]  This is someone speaking on behalf of the LGBTQ. community.
[00:59:54]  It's not like big business and the government ushered us to a place of progress and then suddenly abandoned us.
[01:00:00]  LGBTQ plus communities imagined a better life for themselves, communicated their expectations and hopes to audiences, architected structures for community connection and equity, and then co-created a better world with increased value and equity.
[01:00:14]  What I find so interesting here is this is actually the veil pulled back a little bit.
[01:00:18]  They really are creating an alternate reality and have been from the beginning.
[01:00:23]  And in a lot of the articles I read, it was a, well, Target dropped us, Anheuser-Busch dropped us, but we managed to create a false reality once and we're just going to do it again.
[01:00:36]  And what I find so interesting about that is they, the organizers of these things, know what's going on.
[01:00:42]  This really is a clash between reality and non-reality or two visions of what reality is.
[01:00:47]  And they are resolved to push their view of reality, regardless of whether or not they lose sponsors or the black pill on this is that most of these cities.
[01:00:58]  These pride organizations in these cities made up what they lost from the corporate donations by going to private donors.
[01:01:06]  And most of them were able to make up their entire budget for the year.

=== High Risk for Corporations (07:47) ===

[01:01:09]  Right.
[01:01:09]  The companies aren't ideological.
[01:01:11]  Yes.
[01:01:12]  They just want to make a buck.
[01:01:14]  But the LGBT community, they are committed and they're going to keep pushing.
[01:01:20]  Yes.
[01:01:22]  They're not just doing it as capitalists.
[01:01:23]  They're not just doing it to turn a profit.
[01:01:26]  Yep.
[01:01:27]  They're doing it because they actually believe in what they're doing and they're going to do it with support or without it.
[01:01:32]  Yeah.
[01:01:33]  Could you name a couple more of those companies?
[01:01:34]  I heard Comcast, I heard MasterCard.
[01:01:36]  These are a lot of digital commerce companies out there.
[01:01:38]  A lot of them.
[01:01:39]  Lockheed Martin is the other one I was thinking of.
[01:01:41]  They're the ones that make the airplanes.
[01:01:42]  Okay, gotcha.
[01:01:43]  But these are huge.
[01:01:45]  These are international businesses.
[01:01:46]  In the case of MasterCard, it's an international business based on usury.
[01:01:50]  You have to connect the dots kind of between huge companies, international with outside profits, outsized profits, return because they operate at such a big scale, sponsoring these pride events at the local level.
[01:02:01]  Like St. Louis Pride would not be possible if a giant beer conglomerate that manufactured billions and billions of gallons of beer all across the United States was sponsoring them.
[01:02:10]  A local beer distributor, they wouldn't do that.
[01:02:12]  They wouldn't have the capital, nor would they be interested, nor would they want it in their town.
[01:02:15]  You have some of these big corporations doing terrible work by sponsoring these Pride parades.
[01:02:20]  So you can look at them and you could say your USAID for sure, your government grants, and these big, massive corporations that were more than happy to write six, seven figure checks.
[01:02:30]  Yeah.
[01:02:31]  Let me tie the bow real quick on kind of the good news.
[01:02:34]  So just a couple of statistics 39% of corporations are scaling back external Pride Month engagements this year.
[01:02:43]  So of the ones that supported Pride in the past, Almost 40% of those pulled out or pulled way back, which is pretty significant.
[01:02:53]  Nine, oh, I'm sorry, 50%, 57% of companies that are federal contractors plan to reduce external engagement, highlighting the risk of federal investigations.
[01:03:05]  And then the chart that we're going to look at in just a moment, I want to read this first and then we'll go to it.
[01:03:12]  The risk for engaging around LGBTQ issues has increased 42%.
[01:03:19]  Since this time last year.
[01:03:20]  So, Nate, let's look at chart number two.
[01:03:22]  And this one is super interesting to me.
[01:03:30]  Not this one, it's the pink, the one with the pink background.
[01:03:35]  Uh oh.
[01:03:36]  Yeah, this one.
[01:03:38]  Okay, so this is a chart that the line, what it shows is the perceived risk to a corporation if it.
[01:03:49]  Puts a statement out in support of that particular issue.
[01:03:53]  So it has various social issues, racial equity and DEI, LGBTQ and equality, climate sustainability, et cetera, et cetera.
[01:04:03]  So the top three are the ones that are interesting, at least for this episode racial equity and DEI, LGBTQ, and then, well, I guess climate is a different issue.
[01:04:14]  So if you see the graph going up, what that means is companies, according to their own polling and data, Perceive that taking a stand on a particular issue is increasingly risky for their bottom line.
[01:04:27]  So, the higher the number is on the chart, the more a company says, if we say that, we're going to lose money.
[01:04:35]  And that's the confidence that the companies have that if they take that stand, it will affect their bottom line.
[01:04:42]  So, this is over the last three years.
[01:04:45]  No, not even that one year, Q1, 2024 to Q1, 2025.
[01:04:51]  And it's gone.
[01:04:53]  With the LGBTQ issue, it's gone up three points, which doesn't sound like a lot, but it's on a 10 point scale.
[01:05:00]  So that's like the 30% increase on the LGBTQ issue that Fortune 500 companies have just said if we take a stand on this, it is going to affect our bottom line, at least in the US.
[01:05:13]  8.6 out of 10.
[01:05:15]  Yes.
[01:05:15]  This is close to the biggest issue that would impact our bottom line.
[01:05:19]  So, LGBT, if I understand what you're saying, LGBTQ on that issue, Companies are saying it's more risky.
[01:05:26]  And over the last year, they're saying it's far more risky.
[01:05:32]  A year ago, there was almost zero risk, at least in their opinion.
[01:05:37]  I think that's.
[01:05:37]  Speak out in favor of LGBTQs.
[01:05:39]  Oh, it started from six.
[01:05:40]  You're right.
[01:05:41]  So, I view that from basically like six to almost nine.
[01:05:44]  So, like almost a 50% increase.
[01:05:46]  So, like a year ago, they're saying whatever, let's say it's like there's a moderate risk and now it's 50% more risky in their assessment.
[01:05:55]  So, now it's like a high risk, you know, or moderate to high risk on that issue.
[01:06:01]  And then racial equity and DEI, it's a little higher.
[01:06:05]  Yeah.
[01:06:06]  Well, it's higher overall, but it started higher.
[01:06:07]  Yes, it started higher.
[01:06:09]  So, that one.
[01:06:09]  The increase hasn't been as much.
[01:06:10]  Yeah.
[01:06:11]  So, that one started higher.
[01:06:12]  But again, this isn't the last.
[01:06:14]  20 years.
[01:06:14]  This is Q1 2020.
[01:06:16]  So that kind of makes sense to me on the heels of BLM so overplaying its hand that by the beginning of 2024, they were basically saying this is already risky to push racial equity in DEI.
[01:06:31]  And then a year later, beginning of 2025, they're like this is suicide basically to push this.
[01:06:37]  Climate change looks like it went up just slightly for briefly and then it became a little more risky.
[01:06:43]  Maybe people were tired.
[01:06:45]  Briefly, you know, for a quarter with the climate, you know, uh, worship, but then kind of went right back down.
[01:06:51]  So, climate has stayed the same.
[01:06:52]  Uh, but what's what I'm not understanding about the chart is it seems like, um, it seems like immigration has become less risky slightly, but, um, but over from Q1 2024 to Q1 2025, um, that like them emphasizing positively immigration, um, is or it could be negative, not as risky.
[01:07:17]  It could be viewed as less risky to speak.
[01:07:19]  Negatively of immigration.
[01:07:20]  Same thing with this crime and safety here.
[01:07:22]  So, speaking negatively, like high crime is impacting us, it's becoming less risky for stores just to come up and say, Hey, we're closing X, Y, and Z. Like Walgreens, we're closing these locations.
[01:07:31]  It's high crime.
[01:07:32]  It's a lot of all our products.
[01:07:33]  Okay, that was my question.
[01:07:34]  And maybe that's the answer.
[01:07:36]  Yep.
[01:07:37]  The other issue is immigration, I don't feel like has been as pushed onto the corporate world.
[01:07:46]  I don't feel like a year ago there were massive, you know, Nike wasn't really getting involved in immigration to the scale, to the degree that it was.
[01:07:53]  Pride or DEI or things like that.
[01:07:55]  So I don't know.
[01:07:56]  Yeah.
[01:07:57]  Well, I mean, for Nike, it's like, I don't see how immigration would be profitable.
[01:08:02]  Like for them, it's like, I'd like to keep these eight year old children in China so that I can pay them, you know, 50 cents a day.
[01:08:10]  Why are you here?
[01:08:11]  If they move to the US, we might have to pay them like five bucks an hour.
[01:08:15]  That's right.
[01:08:16]  So I can see why Nike would not find it profitable.
[01:08:18]  And hey, you play a role in this.
[01:08:19]  I email stores in my local town.
[01:08:21]  If I see Pride Bloom and stuff like that, I am disgusted.
[01:08:24]  I was here with my kids.
[01:08:25]  Why is this here?
[01:08:26]  You literally should be taking out your email.
[01:08:28]  You see a store in your town, especially locally owned, so not a chain, not necessarily Walmart, although you can certainly email the manager, but local stores.
[01:08:36]  Hey, I saw this here.
[01:08:37]  I will not be shopping again.
[01:08:38]  I'm disgusted with it.
[01:08:39]  You get 10 emails like that, a local store in a month.
[01:08:42]  Let me tell you what, they're not doing it again.
[01:08:44]  Like practically speaking, it's free, it is completely legal as a customer to voice your complaints.
[01:08:49]  I'm not advocating anything illegal.
[01:08:51]  And you can go and you can blast them and say, I am disgusted to celebrate this and I will not be shopping again.

=== Consumers Demand Change (15:42) ===

[01:08:57]  Right.
[01:08:58]  I demand.
[01:09:00]  Bigotry.
[01:09:01]  Yeah.
[01:09:01]  That's right.
[01:09:02]  Shots in my town go, you will not get my patrons.
[01:09:06]  Let's hit this second chart and that'll wrap up this segment.
[01:09:08]  I found this one particularly interesting as well.
[01:09:11]  Actually, sorry, this is the third chart.
[01:09:12]  It's the second chart of the segment.
[01:09:15]  Yeah, that's the one.
[01:09:16]  Thanks, Nate.
[01:09:17]  So this one I need to explain for a minute.
[01:09:19]  This is the title says The Share of Executives Who Said Each Stakeholder Is Driving Their Company to Change Its Pride Engagement in 2025.
[01:09:29]  Okay.
[01:09:29]  The font, the words are a little small on the screen.
[01:09:32]  So the top row, Is sorry, the columns are what kind of business it was.
[01:09:38]  So the first column is all companies who responded or the CEOs of companies who responded.
[01:09:45]  The second two, B2B and B2C, these are companies whose business is in what sector.
[01:09:53]  So B2B is business to business.
[01:09:54]  They provide products for businesses.
[01:09:58]  The B2C is companies or corporations who provide products and services to consumers.
[01:10:03]  So different thing.
[01:10:04]  Okay, so these CEOs of these companies were polled and asked, why did you change your pride?
[01:10:12]  Engagement in 2025.
[01:10:14]  The number one reason, the top row, is pressure from the new administration.
[01:10:20]  So when you combine all respondents together, on average, 61% of CEOs who made a change to what they were doing with their company with Pride in 2025 said they did so because of pressure from President Trump's administration.
[01:10:37]  Now, not to toot our own horn here, but this is exactly what we're saying is the option.
[01:10:45]  When the state gets involved, imagine if this was actually a godly magistrate and not just wanting to return to some sort of thing.
[01:10:52]  Yes, exactly.
[01:10:53]  Yep.
[01:10:54]  This is a 90s Democrat and he hasn't done anything.
[01:10:56]  So Trump did not roll in day one.
[01:10:58]  He's like, being gay is illegal.
[01:10:59]  He should have.
[01:11:00]  But he didn't even do that.
[01:11:01]  Like they renamed the USS Harvey Milk, which used the gay activists and all of that.
[01:11:07]  And they renamed a ship.
[01:11:08]  Literally, even just that and kind of their general adversarial stance towards it.
[01:11:13]  That was enough for 60% of CEOs to say, we're kind of feeling the heat.
[01:11:19]  And we're gonna back away, yeah.
[01:11:21]  Incredible, it absolutely is.
[01:11:23]  I get my news from memes, so I choose to believe.
[01:11:27]  I know it's not true, but I just sleep better if I force myself to believe it's true.
[01:11:32]  So, uh, seeing some of the AI doctored videos where it's like Trump signing an executive oh, yeah, it says, uh, that the gay voice is now illegal, yeah, you'll be uh, put in jail for using the gay voice.
[01:11:47]  Um, I like to believe that that's who Trump really is, yeah.
[01:11:50]  I mean, that's one of my.
[01:11:51]  Constant prayer says, God, make Trump half the man that my enemies are.
[01:11:54]  A quarter of.
[01:11:55]  Yeah.
[01:11:56]  Yeah.
[01:11:57]  Okay.
[01:11:57]  Nate, put that back up if you would, please.
[01:12:00]  Because I think some of the other, the top one is a huge win.
[01:12:03]  The next most significant reason why CEOs changed their position on Pride this year was threat of backlash from conservative activists or consumers.
[01:12:13]  And Wes, this is what you just mentioned.
[01:12:15]  When you write or call your neighborhood store, your neighborhood Walmart, whatever, hey, I saw the display you had up.
[01:12:23]  It disgusts me.
[01:12:24]  Knock it off.
[01:12:25]  I'm not shopping there until you do.
[01:12:28]  The third one was pressure from conservative policymakers.
[01:12:31]  And this was about 20% of CEOs said that they felt pressure from conservative policymakers.
[01:12:37]  Look at the very bottom.
[01:12:40]  There was only a 7%.
[01:12:42]  This is the opposite, really, is how I'm interpreting that.
[01:12:45]  On net or on average, there was a 7% concern.
[01:12:50]  The 7% of them were concerned with backlash from progressive activists or consumers.
[01:12:56]  This is the LGBTQ stranglehold losing its grip.
[01:13:02]  These CEOs said, only 7% of them said, yeah, I was factoring in what progressive activists or consumers would care about the decision that we made.
[01:13:13]  That's very significant.
[01:13:15]  And the reality is that the LGBT mafia is very loud and very committed.
[01:13:22]  So it's not that they let up, but the vast majority of people are not gay.
[01:13:28]  Yeah.
[01:13:29]  And, you know, and so for most people, you know, the reason why this minority got so much, you know, the squeaky wheel got so much grease was because they were loud, but it's not just because of them and them being organized and deliberate and loud, but because you could count on, you know, the average normie who's not actually LGBT themselves.
[01:13:55]  They're not gay, but they were still.
[01:13:59]  Underneath the spell, they were still underneath the gay propaganda and thinking, well, it's just inclusion and they just want the same rights as us, and you know, this, that, and the other.
[01:14:09]  And I'm telling you, like, I really think, like, one of the most powerful things is the release of stories of, like, so here's some gay men, and here's the child sex syndicate that they were running underground, and here's how they were actually, you know, they adopted two twin boys and they were actually trafficking them out.
[01:14:32]  To their gay friends to sleep with, you know, 11 year old twin boys.
[01:14:38]  And that's not a hypothetical.
[01:14:39]  That's an actual story.
[01:14:40]  And I think the more, and it's not like those stories aren't prevalent.
[01:14:44]  They are.
[01:14:45]  But the more those that get exposed, the more the normies, the LGBT community, of course, is like, they're going to just, you know, scream even louder because they don't care about children.
[01:14:55]  But for the average person, they're going to say, wait, that's what being gay is about?
[01:14:59]  You know, it's the meme.
[01:15:00]  It's like, always has been.
[01:15:03]  But if you can wake the normie up, To see how perverse the sodomite community really is, then it's a much larger crowd.
[01:15:14]  And so, in terms of economic power and influence, we have way more power with heterosexuals and companies are just going to chase the dollar.
[01:15:25]  So, if all the normies get red pilled on, oh man, gays are really gay, they're gross, they're really gross, then they'll be like, nah, I don't want that.
[01:15:37]  So, the rainbow, what that actually stands for.
[01:15:40]  For is the spread of disease and substance abuse and child abuse.
[01:15:45]  Like, oh no, I don't want that in my local target.
[01:15:49]  And then Target will say, yes, sir, and get it out.
[01:15:54]  That's exactly right.
[01:15:55]  And one of the lessons from this whole, whatever, 50 years, 60 years is what I said earlier in the episode one of the biggest tools that the ERC, the Equal Rights Campaign, had.
[01:16:11]  Was this award that they were able to issue?
[01:16:15]  And one of the things, we don't think about this too often, it's a bit abstract, but we've lost the awards.
[01:16:21]  Think about the Pulitzer Prize or the Newberry Award book for children's books or even the Oscar, the Golden Globes.
[01:16:28]  Like all of the awards that are given out, I can't say all of them, I don't know all the awards, but many, many, many of the prestigious awards that are given out in culture are given to people who promote filth.
[01:16:41]  And one of the things that I think a Christian society will have is we will, the government is told to punish what is evil, but it's also told to reward, to praise what is good.
[01:16:55]  And we need a society again where we are affirming, publicly affirming of those individuals and people and corporations who affirm and promote and produce that which is good.
[01:17:11]  Steps down the road, I think.
[01:17:13]  I mean, we don't take over the academy and even building new awards.
[01:17:15]  But this ERC, they were able to give their equity score within about a decade of them beginning the equal rights campaign.
[01:17:24]  I mean, that would really not be that long.
[01:17:27]  And that score became a major factor to convince corporations you guys need to jump on board with this, even though you're in a sector that doesn't seem to have any connection to our movement at all.
[01:17:38]  We need a new index, but it's for how likely they are to hire heritage Americans.
[01:17:42]  Yes, right.
[01:17:43]  You'd shoot for a 99.
[01:17:44]  Like, we're the place that will hire Americans, work American, buy American, manufacture American.
[01:17:50]  Yeah, and men, prioritizing men with livable wages so that their wives can actually have children.
[01:17:58]  So I have a question that I'm just curious what you guys think.
[01:18:01]  And in the chat, maybe you guys could respond, those of you who are watching it live.
[01:18:06]  I don't even, like, part of me doesn't even want to ask the question because it goes against my convictions, or not even my convictions.
[01:18:14]  That's not true.
[01:18:16]  It goes against my hopes, what I hope would be the reality, but I'm not convinced it is the reality, hence the question.
[01:18:22]  So here's the question I wonder from like 2020 to 2024, because basically what we're saying is that 2020 to 2022 is kind of like the high watermark on all things gay.
[01:18:34]  And we're starting to put the gay away.
[01:18:36]  Praise God.
[01:18:39]  And I guess my question is on one hand, because I could see multiple factors, you know, so why?
[01:18:46]  Like what's happened?
[01:18:46]  So, one, we're entertaining, like, is there a return to Christian values?
[01:18:51]  Is there a return to Christ?
[01:18:52]  That's number one.
[01:18:53]  So, does this represent, at least in part, a genuine, bona fide Christian revival, you know, or reformation?
[01:19:00]  And we hope so.
[01:19:01]  And I think that that could be one characteristic.
[01:19:04]  We do see young men returning to the church.
[01:19:05]  So, I'm going to go ahead and put a couple of tallies in that category.
[01:19:11]  But I think all three of us would agree that we can't say that's the exclusive cause, right?
[01:19:15]  That's kind of the point of the episode.
[01:19:17]  And we're talking about, well, there's corporations' incentives and there's economic incentives and there's all these other things.
[01:19:22]  So, part of it, a return to Christ.
[01:19:24]  I think at least part of it.
[01:19:26]  We hope for more, but at least part of it.
[01:19:29]  And so, praise God for that.
[01:19:30]  So, why are we putting the gay away?
[01:19:32]  Partly a return to Christ, partly because gay is just not as profitable.
[01:19:38]  As it once was.
[01:19:39]  Partly we're also seeing because of the arrogance of the LGBT community.
[01:19:42]  Community.
[01:19:45]  Community.
[01:19:46]  And there is like an LGBT community.
[01:19:48]  I've seen the blue haired feminist priestess, you know, pretty terrible blasphemy.
[01:19:55]  But so part of it is they overplayed their hand.
[01:19:57]  So part of it is a return to Christ.
[01:19:59]  Part of it is economic incentives and corporations following the dollar.
[01:20:02]  Part of it is the bad guys overplaying their hand, getting too cocky and people, you know, it's just them going, you know, Crossing the line and going a step too far, and it just, you know, causing disgust in the public.
[01:20:17]  Here's another factor that I just thought of that I'm just going to pose as a question.
[01:20:21]  I don't really like, you know, because, and just for the record, when I say don't like it, what I mean is I'm an American.
[01:20:29]  And so I like my hope is that heritage Americans would actually be revolting against.
[01:20:40]  The perversion of LGBT and that they're actually changing and perhaps even repenting.
[01:20:48]  I hope that it's not some other cause that's lending towards this transition.
[01:20:53]  But there's one big one that I can't help thinking of, which is from 2024, yes, the left overplayed its hand with, you know, gay this, they gayed everything, everything was gay.
[01:21:04]  But also something else happened from 20 to 24 that's fairly significant, which is by my assessment and some of the things I've read, about 40 million.
[01:21:13]  Immigrants came into the country.
[01:21:15]  About, I think it was about, I forget, like three to five million that were legal, about nine to 12 million that were illegal.
[01:21:26]  And so, about 20 million legal and illegal that are on the books.
[01:21:30]  And then I'm doubling that, which I think even that might be conservative for gotaways and people that weren't recorded.
[01:21:38]  Well, here's the thing immigrants are going to vote for Democrats for financial incentives and handouts and welfare and all these kinds of things and for loose borders.
[01:21:49]  So, that, like, you know, if you're an immigrant, whether it be legal or illegal, you're like, well, I'm going to vote for the guy who's going to let in my cousin, you know, or my 47 cousins, you know, whatever it might be.
[01:22:01]  But so immigrants aren't no bueno.
[01:22:06]  But from some of the things that I've read, although they do like a 90 10 ratio vote Democrat, there are some exceptions like Cubans and things like that.
[01:22:17]  But for the most part, immigrants vote Democrat, like a 9 to 1 ratio versus Republican.
[01:22:24]  But from what I've read, it's primarily for financial incentives, welfare, free cash, and loose borders for their friends and family to come.
[01:22:33]  It's not.
[01:22:35]  Because all these immigrants from other places in the world are, you know, super gay affirming.
[01:22:41]  And so I'm wondering here's my question I'm wondering is part of the tide turning on America's acceptance of LGBT, all things rainbow, is part of it because we have 40 million new people in the country who come from third world countries that have plenty of problems, but like, Rampant homosexuality may not be one of them.
[01:23:09]  What do you guys think?
[01:23:11]  My inclination is low due to the political and social capital that most newly arrived immigrants have.
[01:23:17]  So, when I think of those that are leading the charge against gay rights, for instance, like Andrew Tate is a good example of one, Dan Blazarian.
[01:23:24]  There's a bunch of guys that are not at all like immigrants whatsoever that are really public voices.
[01:23:29]  So, when you think about like, well, who's talking about this?
[01:23:31]  Who's disgusted by it?
[01:23:33]  Who is really, you know, catalyzing people to be.
[01:23:36]  They're fed up with it.
[01:23:37]  It's guys like you, Joel.
[01:23:38]  It's guys like those others I just mentioned.
[01:23:40]  So I think those that are people are then listening to them and going, oh, this isn't good.
[01:23:45]  We don't want it.
[01:23:46]  Those definitely aren't immigrants.
[01:23:47]  And I also don't think they have a lot of economic capital as well to drive those decisions.
[01:23:52]  So, like Anheuser Bush, I just practically don't think that was, and it certainly could have been, but I just don't think it was the Mexican roofers that spoke Spanish that were the ones, you know, like boycotting Bud Light.
[01:24:05]  It was people that were plugged into America's cultural and political movements.
[01:24:10]  And so.
[01:24:11]  My guess is because of their lack of capital, I'm sure it is somewhat of a factor.
[01:24:16]  And certainly Islam, like they don't like gays and gay people.
[01:24:19]  Right.
[01:24:19]  Like, I mean, we've had a ton of Muslims come in and they're not gay friends.
[01:24:22]  My enemy, my enemy, they're doing some good work.
[01:24:24]  So, certainly some, I just don't think they have the capital that, even with that size, I don't know that they've been able to move.
[01:24:30]  Well, just for the record, that's, I mean, I don't know if that's true, but that's the answer I was hoping to hear.
[01:24:35]  Because I, like, that's my guess.
[01:24:37]  That's what I want to be true.

=== Local Influence vs National Movement (02:25) ===

[01:24:39]  I think the same.
[01:24:39]  Because I want to think that my fellow Americans have actually changed on this issue.
[01:24:43]  Because the people who are pushing on it, like I thought of Robbie Starbuck, who's been pushing on it as well.
[01:24:49]  And the other thing, the other reason why I don't think it is, is if immigrants are voting Democrat for the financial incentives, they'll continue to vote Democrat for the financial incentives.
[01:25:03]  Right.
[01:25:03]  They're not, it's not like they're, they're, okay, well, we've hit this issue.
[01:25:08]  And that's.
[01:25:09]  Well, my thought was it wouldn't change their voting patterns, but it would, in terms of like corporations shifting, like, so maybe that, like, yeah, like, A bunch of immigrants are still going to vote for Democrats in the next election, but maybe they stopped drinking the Anheuser Bush.
[01:25:23]  And so that pushed on the corporation, and the corporation stopped funding, and that caused some cultural change.
[01:25:28]  Although politically, they're still going to have the same allegiance.
[01:25:32]  But like what you gave, Wes, although that's like anecdotal evidence, it's just telling a story.
[01:25:40]  It's not conclusive, but it is compelling.
[01:25:43]  Like when I think of a bunch of Spanish speaking immigrants, they probably are still buying.
[01:25:53]  I think they could have a lot of.
[01:25:54]  They just also don't know who Dylan Mulvaney is.
[01:25:56]  Well, yeah.
[01:25:56]  Right.
[01:25:57]  I think they could have a lot of influence in a local, like a school board or something like that.
[01:26:01]  And we have seen that where Muslim or Mexican immigrants have basically taken over the school board and run for school board and gotten rid of a lot of the woke ideology in their local school.
[01:26:16]  I'm not sure that's translating to a national movement, though.
[01:26:19]  And I can give an anecdote like my neighborhood.
[01:26:21]  I don't know, there was some instance somebody called someone a name.
[01:26:23]  And so some white woman was like, we got a band together.
[01:26:26]  And so she made signs that have.
[01:26:28]  All the colors of rainbow, including brown, they're super ugly.
[01:26:31]  It's just like equality is equality or something.
[01:26:33]  And there's a lot of people who ordered them and put them up.
[01:26:35]  So, practically speaking, I'm not saying like this is at the corporate level and at the personal level, the neighborhood level, every single person is turning against it.
[01:26:43]  There is an entrenched, probably 20 to 30% of Americans that are like, nope.
[01:26:47]  And it's a lot of women.
[01:26:48]  Like I said, Facebook was where this kind of originated.
[01:26:51]  So, a lot of women, and they are for sure, they're like, no, we doubled down.
[01:26:55]  It went badly.
[01:26:56]  We got routed in the election.
[01:26:58]  Have you heard of the triple down?
[01:26:59]  We can do this.
[01:27:00]  That's right.
[01:27:01]  So they're not going to go away quietly.
[01:27:03]  Yeah.
[01:27:03]  Yeah.
[01:27:04]  Good.
[01:27:04]  All right.

=== Governing Your Heart (02:51) ===

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=== Seizing Ground for God (14:13) ===

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[01:30:38]  And it is simply this.
[01:30:41]  I introduced the episode by saying some movements in history have proved to just be a reaction, a pendulum swing against something that only lasted a couple years or a couple decades.
[01:30:53]  And some movements in history, and Wes even indicated we might be part of a larger movement where there really is significant, deep, and Enduring, and when I say enduring, I mean we know entropy and we live in a sinful world, and there's no guarantee that something is going to last until Christ's return.
[01:31:10]  But we're saying significant centuries or millennia, even enduring change that could solidify itself in Western civilization.
[01:31:19]  So the question was, is this a temporary blip, or is this part of a much larger return to God's created order that will endure?
[01:31:29]  Now, my closing question or comment is if We want to take the momentum of the last couple of years that we see, even this year, with companies pulling out, people seeming to return to a little bit of sanity.
[01:31:45]  What will it take for conservatives or the new right Christians to kind of take the way the ball is maybe rolling naturally and ram it farther down the field so that it entrenches itself and becomes not just a fad, but normal behavior to love and uphold God's.
[01:32:09]  Sexual order.
[01:32:10]  So we've got a little momentum.
[01:32:12]  What will it take, or what would it even look like if this was a real change?
[01:32:18]  And I'll go first.
[01:32:19]  One of the things that I think we would see is CEOs not just quietly putting away the pride colored logo that they put on social media all last year, but actually coming out and saying, We did that, we regret it, it was wrong.
[01:32:35]  Right.
[01:32:35]  So not the quiet pivot, but the actual, we're willing to not just Not support it anymore.
[01:32:40]  We're willing to call it out.
[01:32:41]  We're willing to distance ourselves from it, not because it's not financially profitable, but because it's wrong and wicked.
[01:32:47]  So if that were to happen, I would say we are in the middle of an actual, true cultural revival.
[01:32:54]  That would be significant.
[01:32:55]  Yeah.
[01:32:56]  Yeah.
[01:32:56]  That's a good one.
[01:32:57]  And for anybody who thinks that's impossible, because even as it was coming out of your mouth, Michael, I was like, yeah, right.
[01:33:02]  But just think about it like whether it was the black square, you know, I remember Amazon, I mean, major, major companies, you know, for putting black square, this or that, and then just expressly communicating like not just what they were for, namely wickedness, but what they were against.
[01:33:23]  We were against bigotry and we were against those who would seek to not include others and blah, blah, blah.
[01:33:30]  And so it's not like companies have not publicly been willing to name something as evil.
[01:33:39]  They actually do that quite frequently.
[01:33:41]  That's what they've been doing for 40 years.
[01:33:43]  It's not just stating LGBT in the positive, but it's stating the rest.
[01:33:48]  It's stating Christians in the negative.
[01:33:49]  Companies have been spitting in your face, Christian, and telling you that you're wicked for decades.
[01:33:56]  Like actually saying it out loud.
[01:34:00]  Here at Amazon, here at Disney, we stand against bigotry and.
[01:34:04]  And all those dirty racist and all those like, and so it's not like, um, this is not like a phenomenon that's never happened.
[01:34:13]  Um, so the idea of a company actually coming out and saying we did something wrong, so think of it like that.
[01:34:18]  Here's an example Disney to use them again.
[01:34:21]  Um, I remember you know a few years ago watching um Jungle Book with my kids.
[01:34:26]  Um, and then we you know we since have canceled Disney, but uh, but on their streaming service, we had it for you know a hot minute.
[01:34:33]  And I apologize, I understand under Christian nationalism, I have to go back.
[01:34:37]  You're saying this during Pride Month.
[01:34:39]  I know.
[01:34:39]  I need to be deported.
[01:34:40]  The fact that we ever had Disney.
[01:34:42]  Good news, though Disney Plus is broke.
[01:34:44]  Oh, is it broke?
[01:34:44]  They just came out.
[01:34:45]  Yep.
[01:34:45]  They are.
[01:34:46]  They're not making money.
[01:34:47]  Yep.
[01:34:48]  They bet the house.
[01:34:49]  Yeah, because they're too gay.
[01:34:50]  Yeah.
[01:34:52]  And here's the thing Disney is for kids.
[01:34:55]  Guess who doesn't have kids?
[01:34:57]  That's right.
[01:34:59]  Like gays, you know, unless they buy them.
[01:35:02]  And so, yeah.
[01:35:03]  And even that is fairly rare.
[01:35:04]  So, I mean, that was just a terrible strategy.
[01:35:06]  I mean, you think of like business strategies.
[01:35:09]  That was terrible.
[01:35:10]  That was a terrible strategy.
[01:35:11]  Like, we have a product for children.
[01:35:13]  And we're going to target those who don't have children.
[01:35:14]  Right.
[01:35:14]  Those who cannot have kids.
[01:35:16]  Right.
[01:35:16]  Like who biologically can't have children.
[01:35:18]  Yeah.
[01:35:18]  That's, I mean, that was, that's pretty funny.
[01:35:21]  So, but anyways, so Jungle Book put like a warning on the beginning of the film.
[01:35:28]  So we were watching it a few years ago because it's a great movie and we were watching it with the kids and the kids loved it.
[01:35:34]  And I loved it.
[01:35:35]  It was like one of my favorite movies when I was a kid.
[01:35:38]  And it says like, but it was literally like it was repentance.
[01:35:41]  Now, I'm not saying it was like true, like Christian repentance, but it was.
[01:35:45]  The form of repentance is that we regret because there's the scene in Jungle Book where I want to walk like you, talk like you.
[01:35:53]  It's a great song.
[01:35:56]  And so it's like King Louis, who's the orangutan, and then he's the king of the monkeys.
[01:36:01]  And Baloo and Bagheera and Mowgli, you know, Mowgli gets captured, and Baloo dresses up like a monkey, like a gorilla, to, you know, go undercover so that he can, you know, befriend King Louis.
[01:36:12]  And all this happens through a song sequence so that he can try to rescue Mowgli.
[01:36:16]  And get him out of there because he's been taken captive because King Louis wants to be like a man.
[01:36:20]  And so he's captured the man cub so that he can learn the secret to fire and be like a man.
[01:36:26]  But all the singing and the dialogue, all the talking is kind of like a Southern black jive, like a very obvious black stereotype jive.
[01:36:46]  That black people, because it's an old movie, that black people in the South during that time did speak like that.
[01:36:51]  Now, I'm looking at it and I'm like, this was actually, I think, like really, really progressive of Disney to hire all the, because I looked into it.
[01:37:01]  They hired all these black voice actors.
[01:37:03]  Interesting.
[01:37:04]  So it's not like they just got a bunch of white guys to do the, you know, the black voice.
[01:37:08]  They actually, and I think they even used black musicians, like blues musicians, to do the song and this keynote song for the film.
[01:37:19]  But the point is, at the beginning of the film, nowadays, They've added this public repentance where they're like, we regret giving in to harmful stereotypes.
[01:37:30]  I'm paraphrasing, blah, And to be fair, there was one portion where it's not just doing the voice, an accent, but there's one portion where Baloo says, he gets mad at King Louis.
[01:37:44]  And he's like, that's it, you mangy.
[01:37:47]  And I think he says, you mangy knuckle dragging.
[01:37:50]  And he just goes off.
[01:37:52]  And it's like, at that point, it's like, this is too on the nose.
[01:37:55]  It's like really clear what Disney is getting at right now.
[01:37:58]  The hyenas in Lion King, they're black women.
[01:38:01]  Yeah, for sure.
[01:38:03]  Problematic.
[01:38:03]  No, that's Whoopi Goldberg.
[01:38:05]  Did you know that?
[01:38:05]  Are you serious?
[01:38:06]  Whoopi Goldberg is the voice actor for the lead.
[01:38:09]  Chase, yes.
[01:38:10]  Uh huh.
[01:38:11]  That's problematic.
[01:38:12]  It's like black and Jewish.
[01:38:13]  You know, it's a weird thing.
[01:38:15]  But you hear my point.
[01:38:17]  My point is just to say companies, even major companies like Disney, It is not that we're secretly, you know, that we're just hoping and wishing upon a shooting star for something that's never happened on God's green earth to take place.
[01:38:31]  No, like this has happened with major companies like Disney just in the last few years.
[01:38:36]  And so all we're asking is for it to happen in the other direction.
[01:38:40]  Instead of we repent over our bigotry, we repent as a company.
[01:38:48]  I could actually see this, it would have to be a work of God, but I'm a Christian.
[01:38:52]  I kind of believe that God does.
[01:38:53]  Work from time to time.
[01:38:55]  So I'm feeling really, and it's Wednesday.
[01:38:57]  Gosh darn it.
[01:38:58]  It's White Pill Wednesday.
[01:38:59]  You know?
[01:38:59]  And so, like, God is faithful.
[01:39:02]  He is kind.
[01:39:03]  He can win by many or by few.
[01:39:06]  It's not chariots or horses, but the battle belongs to the Lord.
[01:39:09]  It's not by might nor by power, but by my spirit, says the Lord.
[01:39:12]  And God could absolutely use his people in such a way that they put enough pressure on Disney and even higher up executives in Disney are converted by the power of the gospel, become Christians, or even perhaps better yet.
[01:39:24]  That would be good.
[01:39:25]  I don't want to downplay that.
[01:39:26]  But, um, Young right wing Christian men who are talented and gifted work their way up through the channels and recapture some of these companies like Disney.
[01:39:37]  And then all of a sudden, there's a public repentance at the beginning of certain Disney films that say, instead of one direction, we repent of our past bigotry.
[01:39:47]  In the other direction, says, as a company devoted to children's movies, we repent for pushing.
[01:39:57]  Um, perverse ideologies that endanger the well being and health of children.
[01:40:03]  We love children made in the image of God, and we want to be a company that seeks to protect them.
[01:40:09]  You're gonna need a new CEO, definitely, yes, absolutely.
[01:40:14]  Yep, yep.
[01:40:15]  And uh, is it Igor still?
[01:40:17]  Yeah, Bob, he then came back because isn't he the one that uh, Elon in that one clip he called out and he was like, He's like talking about you, Bob, remember?
[01:40:25]  Maybe, yeah, he stepped away for a minute, he did, and then they imploded, and he's like, There's one moment where Elon, like, he kind of like.
[01:40:32]  He lost it and kind of in a good way, in my opinion, and showed his hand.
[01:40:36]  He was like, Um, you know, and he used language that I wouldn't use, but he was like, They were talking about all the advertisers pulling out, and he was like, I'm talking about you, Bob, and like, F you, for yeah, like, what are you gonna do with all these?
[01:40:48]  He's like, F him, screw him.
[01:40:50]  And then it's like SpongeBob episode is like two hours later, he's at the Wailing Mall with Benjamin.
[01:40:57]  I apologize.
[01:40:58]  He's going on the tour.
[01:41:00]  And that literally happened.
[01:41:00]  I think it was like two weeks later.
[01:41:02]  He's just like paying penance.
[01:41:05]  But my point is that I think Elon, when he had that episode where he was calling out the guys who were trying to tank Twitter since he took over it by withdrawing all their advertising dollars, I think he called out the CEO of Disney by name.
[01:41:22]  Because he said Bob, and I think he was referring to Disney.
[01:41:26]  So, anyways, all right.
[01:41:27]  Yeah.
[01:41:27]  So, that's my, so you answered the question.
[01:41:29]  That's how I'm answering the question.
[01:41:30]  So, I'm agreeing with you.
[01:41:31]  I'm saying, yeah, God could do this.
[01:41:32]  Wes?
[01:41:32]  My answer is, how do you, what makes the difference?
[01:41:35]  And I think it's will.
[01:41:36]  And I've been studying a lot with momentums with political movements.
[01:41:40]  You actually have a pretty narrow window a lot of times to get things done.
[01:41:42]  So, think of, you know, even Black Lives Matter.
[01:41:45]  You honestly had about two to three years maximum where you had kind of maximum momentum.
[01:41:49]  People were on your side.
[01:41:50]  You were going to get money.
[01:41:51]  That window has completely closed.
[01:41:53]  So, right now, we have that happening right now.
[01:41:56]  Instagram Reels is where a lot of people are honestly getting red pilled.
[01:41:59]  So, we have social media, there's loosened restriction and censorship going on.
[01:42:03]  So, people are finding out things about LGBTQ and everything like that, World War II, this, that, or the other.
[01:42:08]  So, people are getting red pilled.
[01:42:10]  But you've got to capture the momentum quickly.
[01:42:13]  And you have to take people and you have to channel it into action.
[01:42:15]  That's one of the things I said hey, email your local store that's putting up a pride flag.
[01:42:18]  Go run for it.
[01:42:19]  We just talked about this on Monday.
[01:42:21]  Run for political office.
[01:42:22]  Because one of the big things that happened with George Floyd was everybody was willing to be a little bit uncomfortable.
[01:42:27]  And to say it, they're willing to confront people about the side of the other racism.
[01:42:31]  I remember friends on Facebook like, white people, we need to dig in and we need to do this.
[01:42:36]  So people had the will, they had the energy, they were willing to confront a little bit.
[01:42:40]  So you have to capture and encapsulate that, and not over 10 years, but in like two, and take that and push it down the field as far as you can go to get people scared to put a pride flag up, to get people scared to advertise for it, to get people scared to sponsor, to make even in your local town.
[01:42:56]  I mean, we've been doing this for years.
[01:42:58]  Your local pride organization should fear holding an event because they know Christians will surround them and sing and preach.
[01:43:05]  That is literally practically how you shut it down.
[01:43:07]  Now, activating those young men and getting them involved and getting churches together to all do that takes time, that takes energy, that takes momentum.
[01:43:15]  So, capitalizing on that as much as possible to move the ball locally is I think how you kind of codify this momentum we're kind of feeling, these pullbacks, how you really take that and slam the door for good, hopefully, is take that will and do as much with it as you can.
[01:43:29]  Yeah.
[01:43:30]  Okay, let's go to the super chat chats.
[01:43:33]  So, here's some questions.
[01:43:34]  Some of these are not super chats, but Wes, the first one addresses you.
[01:43:38]  So, go for it.
[01:43:39]  UFC easy money, good brother.
[01:43:40]  Yo, Wes, sorry and off topic, but some guy was ripping on you on some YouTube video, said you talk like a valley girl.
[01:43:46]  I told him to debate you guys, but he says he's blocked.
[01:43:49]  He most certainly is blocked.
[01:43:51]  Never really cared what he's had to say.
[01:43:53]  Lions don't lay down at night.
[01:43:55]  You know, they get down, they get done with all their business for the day, and they go, What are the sheep thinking of me?
[01:44:00]  And they stay up till like 2 a.m.
[01:44:02]  Like, what are they saying?
[01:44:03]  Am I popular?
[01:44:04]  They don't care.
[01:44:05]  Yep.
[01:44:06]  I just want to add to that real quick.
[01:44:08]  I like how you skipped over the name.

=== Discerning True Repentance (14:02) ===

[01:44:10]  There's just different, like, we need to be strategic.
[01:44:12]  We need to be wise.
[01:44:13]  And so there's different strategies with different individuals.
[01:44:17]  So there's some individuals where it's like, if they have already name recognition and a lot of notoriety and a lot of influence, then it's good to name them.
[01:44:26]  Yep.
[01:44:27]  But if it's somebody who is just holding on to your coattails and trying to bring themselves up and actually has a pretty small footprint, you know, small following, then it's better to just, like when it comes to debates and stuff like that, all you would be doing in engaging with an individual like that is just raising their platform.
[01:44:53]  Right.
[01:44:54]  And you don't want to do that.
[01:44:56]  That's just not strategic.
[01:44:57]  And when you're thinking of like, okay, so who's worth engaging, part of it is looking at size and following of those things.
[01:45:03]  But part of it also is looking at not just the size, because there can be guys who are smaller, who are good faith and also just gifted.
[01:45:13]  They have a smaller footprint for now, digitally, but they really are up and coming.
[01:45:20]  So it's not just size.
[01:45:21]  One other thing that I would say to look at is key in on discernment ministers.
[01:45:30]  Discernment ministers.
[01:45:32]  So, a discernment minister, like all Christians, we're actually commanded to exercise discernment.
[01:45:39]  And we're doing that regularly on the show.
[01:45:41]  I mean, in this episode, a lot of what we're talking about is discerning this and discerning that.
[01:45:46]  But when I say a discernment minister, I'm talking a discernment channel ministry.
[01:45:52]  I'm talking about a particular type of ministry or organization or individual who they're not actually teaching principles, they're not actually pushing the ball forward.
[01:46:03]  They're just, they actually are just their whole platform.
[01:46:08]  Like we talk about grifting, you know, people like, oh, you're grifting, you're grifting.
[01:46:12]  I'll tell you the quintessential grifter.
[01:46:14]  The quintessential grifter is the guy who every week is putting out a video, not on a topic, not on a theme, not on a doctrine, not on a political event, but on one person, one particular person.
[01:46:31]  So even if he's right, for instance, All right.
[01:46:35]  So some of the guys who are right, I want to honor them as best, so I won't name them.
[01:46:39]  But you guys will probably know, you know, some names will pop into your head of like, maybe Joel's talking about so and so.
[01:46:45]  And chances are I probably am.
[01:46:47]  But so even if he's doing it in the right direction.
[01:46:49]  So for instance, let's say it's somebody who has made a career.
[01:46:55]  All right.
[01:46:56]  It's not like they've addressed Joel Osteen once or twice or Benny Hinn once or twice or even 10 times.
[01:47:02]  But like, it's like this guy right now is sitting in his office, home office.
[01:47:08]  And he is cooking up his 387th video on Binny Hinn.
[01:47:16]  That guy, and that's 90% of what he does.
[01:47:20]  So 10% of the time, he actually talks about a theme or a principle or an idea, or even a text, expositionally opening a text and teaching it.
[01:47:31]  But 90% of the time, you're scrolling through YouTube, it's a thumbnail, his picture.
[01:47:42]  You know, and then picture of Joel Osteen, real big, you know, Benny Hinn.
[01:47:47]  It's like, Joel Osteen said what in yesterday's sermon?
[01:47:51]  Right.
[01:47:52]  Exclamation point, question mark.
[01:47:56]  Brothers and sisters, again, I'm not trying to disparage because there are a couple guys like that who are truly brothers in Christ who do this.
[01:48:04]  But by and large, you're talking about a low IQ individual.
[01:48:12]  You're not talking about someone who is truly pushing the ball forward for the cause of Christ.
[01:48:22]  Anyone can build a platform that way.
[01:48:24]  So, when you find all the way back to as this pertains, you know, the answer that Wes gave with this particular individual, when you find someone doing that with you, right?
[01:48:33]  So, like, if I'm Joel Osteen, which praise God I'm not, but if I'm Joel Osteen, you're half of it, you're Joel.
[01:48:39]  Yeah, I'm halfway there, halfway there.
[01:48:41]  But if I'm Joel Osteen, I'm not tossing and turning in bed at night thinking, so and so just did a YouTube video on me being a prosperity gospel preacher.
[01:48:57]  I'm giving it zero thought and zero attention.
[01:49:00]  I'm not going to give it an ounce of oxygen.
[01:49:03]  And so, too, you know, if you find yourself on the new Christian ride or whatever you want to call it, and you get to the point where there are entire channels where like everything is devoted to Joel Webb is a false teacher, you know, Joel Webb is a false teacher.
[01:49:21]  Wes has a Valley View voice, you know, like, really the best course of action is to ignore it.
[01:49:29]  These are not serious people.
[01:49:32]  And they really think that they're doing something for God.
[01:49:34]  So I don't doubt their genuineness.
[01:49:42]  But you can be retarded and genuine.
[01:49:45]  That's true.
[01:49:46]  That's me.
[01:49:47]  So I'm not doubting their genuineness.
[01:49:49]  I think they really believe they're doing God a service.
[01:49:52]  Just like the Apostle Paul, when he was still Saul, really believed he was doing God a service as he was rounding up Christians and organizing their.
[01:50:03]  Execution.
[01:50:04]  He really believed he was very zealous for the Lord.
[01:50:06]  He believed he was doing God a service.
[01:50:08]  But if you find someone, and this does not, don't take this too far, right?
[01:50:13]  Because we're all sinners.
[01:50:16]  I'm a sinner.
[01:50:16]  So if this is like somebody and it's not their MO and they voice like thoughtful disagreement on one episode that Right Response Ministries does, then they might just be right.
[01:50:32]  You know, they might just be right.
[01:50:34]  And that might be worthy of responding to.
[01:50:37]  But if this is somebody who it's like every tweet, every video, every comment that they produce is Eric Kahn is bad.
[01:50:48]  And their next one, I'm really going to switch it up here Joel Webbin is bad.
[01:50:52]  And then Eric Kahn is bad.
[01:50:54]  Joel Webbin is bad.
[01:50:56]  Don't engage.
[01:50:57]  Don't boost their audience.
[01:51:00]  Please, for the sake of Christ's kingdom and the advancement of his kingdom, strategically speaking, These people only exist because we've engaged them and given them oxygen.
[01:51:10]  Don't do it.
[01:51:11]  And I've done it too.
[01:51:11]  And that's a mistake.
[01:51:13]  Don't just block them and move on.
[01:51:15]  Yep.
[01:51:15]  Yep.
[01:51:16]  Okay.
[01:51:17]  Let's hit this super chat from Cameron Stevenson.
[01:51:20]  Cameron Stevenson, $9.99 super chat.
[01:51:23]  Great brother, great supporter.
[01:51:24]  Really appreciate the donation.
[01:51:26]  Cameron said this I've seen some posts on X claiming that this is based on the doctrine of total depravity and that we are born under the curse of sin.
[01:51:33]  Some people are born gay.
[01:51:35]  Agree or disagree.
[01:51:37]  I want to start with Michael.
[01:51:38]  What do you think?
[01:51:41]  I mean, born gay, I think we would say born with a propensity to desire.
[01:51:48]  With a greater propensity or inclination.
[01:51:50]  Yes, same sex attraction.
[01:51:52]  I would say no one is born gay in the sense that it's used now, where it's your identity and this kind of flamboyant lifestyle and things like that.
[01:51:58]  But to use the modern evangelical term, same sex attraction.
[01:52:04]  I don't know.
[01:52:06]  I don't think we know why this happens yet.
[01:52:08]  I'm inclined to think that it's probably not born that way.
[01:52:15]  Because God has a lot of moral responsibility given to this act.
[01:52:24]  And so when it's done, it's always an act of rebellion.
[01:52:28]  It's always an act of being given over to a depraved passion.
[01:52:39]  I think that even, Joel, you've told the story before when people were more honest about this.
[01:52:45]  And it wasn't such a charged topic.
[01:52:47]  Right.
[01:52:47]  People would, gay men have said things like, well, I, you know, something happened in my life that triggered me to go this way, whether looking at pornography or abuse or things like that.
[01:52:56]  And abuse or things like that.
[01:52:56]  And abuse or things like that.
[01:52:57]  So much more and more and more and more to eventually it was just a progression.
[01:53:00]  To me, though, the question is, and I'm not saying Cameron is doing this, but often when this question is asked, there's an assumption in there that if they were born that way, they're not as morally culpable for it.
[01:53:11]  Right.
[01:53:11]  And that is not true because all of us are born in sin.
[01:53:15]  And all of us are incredibly and intensely and specifically morally culpable for the sins that we commit, even though under our sinful nature, we actually had no option and choice but to repeatedly over and over and over again sin against God until we were saved.
[01:53:33]  And so it kind of depends on where the question is going.
[01:53:38]  If it's to kind of give a pass to them, no, there's no pass.
[01:53:44]  We're all guilty for our own sin.
[01:53:46]  Um, if it's just a question of like why do we see it so strongly now, I don't know, I suppose it's possible, but I'm inclined to think that it's probably not intrinsic, yeah.
[01:53:58]  So, 100%.
[01:53:59]  My thoughts on this because I've thought about it for a while, and I, you know, there's plenty of things I've thought about for a while, and uh, and after careful thought and consideration, I land on the wrong conclusion, so I could still be wrong, but um, first, I would say 100% agreement with Michael in terms of moral culpability, so in terms of like.
[01:54:17]  Well, if a person is born gay, then it's not their fault, and they're morally innocent.
[01:54:25]  No way.
[01:54:25]  No way, Jose.
[01:54:27]  So the moral culpability remains whether your propensity towards a particular sin is higher or not.
[01:54:34]  So that, I think, we have universal agreement, not just between the three of us, but the Christian church over 2,000 years.
[01:54:40]  Like we're responsible for the sins that we commit, period.
[01:54:44]  But to take the question and broaden it just a little bit, I think it can be helpful.
[01:54:48]  To me, the larger question here, to not just make it about gayness, homosexuality, the broader question is can individual people or perhaps peoples be born with greater or lesser propensities towards some particular sins as opposed to others?
[01:55:14]  So you could fill in the blank here with, at the very end of this question, the question again is.
[01:55:20]  I've seen some posts on X claiming, parentheses, based on the doctrine of total depravity and that we are all born under the curse of sin, close parentheses, that some people are born gay.
[01:55:31]  Agree or disagree?
[01:55:32]  So, again, to say it shortly, I'll leave the parentheses out.
[01:55:35]  I've seen some posts on X claiming that some people are born gay.
[01:55:40]  Agree or disagree?
[01:55:41]  To broaden that, you could just ask, so replace gay with theft.
[01:55:50]  Could I give an example?
[01:55:51]  I don't want to interrupt you, but I have a perfect example for this.
[01:55:53]  Okay.
[01:55:54]  PCOS in women, polycystic ovary syndrome.
[01:55:56]  It's a syndrome, it's genetic, where a woman has higher than natural levels of testosterone.
[01:56:01]  Testosterone is tied to aggression, it's tied to assertiveness, it's tied to unfeminine features.
[01:56:06]  So, we know genetically, like this really happens, that a woman, because of genetic factors, because of influences in the womb, will literally be born with a greater difficulty in expressing feminine traits of noncombativeness, of quietness, of gentleness, of all of those things.
[01:56:22]  Not taking away the moral culpability, but to that, can someone be born, could a woman be born with a greater uphill battle towards exhibiting those virtues?
[01:56:30]  A quiet and gentle spirit.
[01:56:32]  The answer is literally, we know the answer, it's yes.
[01:56:34]  Right.
[01:56:34]  And so, without even like, if the listener is thinking, so is he linking that?
[01:56:40]  So, if she's born with some more masculine traits, then she's therefore born with a higher propensity towards being a lesbian.
[01:56:48]  Without even making that leap, let's just start with the sin.
[01:56:54]  So, 1 Peter says that a woman should learn.
[01:56:57]  I'm sorry, that's 1 Timothy.
[01:56:58]  But 1 Peter says that the imperishable beauty of the heart for a woman is a quiet and gentle spirit.
[01:57:06]  And so we can derive pretty clearly from scripture.
[01:57:10]  That to go against, for a woman, to go against having a gentle and quiet spirit, to have a combative, domineering, aggressive spirit, loud spirit.
[01:57:21]  Proverbs speaks of the loud woman.
[01:57:24]  To be a loud woman is allowed and harsh instead of quiet and gentle.
[01:57:29]  To be a loud and harsh woman is to sin.
[01:57:32]  Whether that ever manifests itself in lesbianism or not, just to be a loud and harsh woman is a sin.
[01:57:41]  And can we find Uh, certain biological traits and a biological explanatory power for some women being having a higher likelihood of being loud and harsh, and other women having less of a likelihood or in the other direction, more of a likelihood of being gentle and quiet.
[01:58:08]  I really think you can answer that question as in the affirmative.

=== Spiritual Power Over Biology (15:25) ===

[01:58:12]  You can say, Yes, I think that's true.
[01:58:16]  Now, I don't.
[01:58:18]  I'm going to make one more example.
[01:58:20]  Take this with a pretty large grain of salt because this is how the gay community has argued for homosexuality being moral by trying to find it in the animal kingdom.
[01:58:30]  And it's like, well, you know, this one particular species, there's a thousand species out of millions, just for the record.
[01:58:37]  So an extreme, extreme, extreme minority.
[01:58:41]  But they'll say there's a thousand species, and I'm not even convinced that's true, but a thousand species that occasionally engage in homosexual behavior.
[01:58:51]  And therefore, it's natural, you know.
[01:58:54]  And it's like, well, yeah, praying mantis, you know, the female praying mantis literally eats the head, bites the head off of the male praying mantis after coitus.
[01:59:04]  And so, therefore, like, human beings should start doing that.
[01:59:06]  Like, that's a stupid argument.
[01:59:08]  That said, my boy Alex Jones got to throw him here into the mix.
[01:59:13]  The frogs really are turning gay, you know.
[01:59:16]  And so, here, what am I saying?
[01:59:18]  Okay, like tying it all together.
[01:59:21]  We can, if we're thinking biologically, We absolutely, so take gay aside for a moment.
[01:59:27]  We absolutely can prove that men's testosterone levels have gone down dramatically in just a few generations.
[01:59:37]  The average man's grip strength has gone down to where, like, the average man who's 25 years old has the same or less grip strength as a man in his 70s, just two generations ago in the 1950s.
[01:59:53]  And so, like, literally, physical strength for men has gone down.
[01:59:57]  Testosterone levels for men have gone down.
[02:00:00]  And there are chemical explanations for this also with things in our water supply, things in our food.
[02:00:07]  This is part of what RFK Jr. is doing with Maha, make America healthy again, from food dyes to seed oils.
[02:00:18]  These are not just moral or spiritual, seed oils affected my sanctification.
[02:00:26]  First, maybe, and I wouldn't want to use that category of sanctification, but first, what we can say for sure is seed oils affected your body.
[02:00:35]  They affected your body physically, your physical body.
[02:00:39]  And so, if we're talking about generations of chemical impact, poisonous food, and less nutritious, real food, ultra processed food, we've talked about diet and all these kinds of things, and clinically observable.
[02:00:58]  Not just slightly, but like where the average testosterone level is a fraction of what it was just two generations ago.
[02:01:07]  And then you can see the same kind of thing in women where it's higher with biological conditions like PCOS, where it's increased aggression and these kinds of things.
[02:01:19]  Then back to the broader question, not are people born gay?
[02:01:22]  Gay right there would be a specific case study, but conceptually, just the broader principle can people be born?
[02:01:32]  With a greater or lesser propensity towards one sin category, one arena of sin versus other people?
[02:01:42]  Can one individual biologically have a greater propensity to sin in one area than another person?
[02:01:51]  I feel like I have to answer that question with a yes.
[02:01:55]  Yeah.
[02:01:55]  And so now, whether or not that applies to homosexuality, I would have to do more research on that.
[02:02:05]  But to me, it's not impossible.
[02:02:07]  So 100% agreement with Michael in terms of in either case, the moral culpability remains.
[02:02:14]  No one's going to get to stand before God and say, Well, are you going to send the frogs to hell?
[02:02:19]  Because I'm just the same as them.
[02:02:21]  There's atrocity in the water.
[02:02:22]  Yeah, the water made the frogs gay and it made me gay too.
[02:02:26]  And I was a frog.
[02:02:27]  I was a groper.
[02:02:29]  It made all the frogs gay, including me.
[02:02:31]  I posted a Hitler meme and that turned me into a frog, and then the water turned me into a gay frog.
[02:02:37]  And therefore, you know, I'm not morally culpable for being a queer.
[02:02:42]  No, you are.
[02:02:43]  You are.
[02:02:43]  And so, absolutely doesn't, because the call of Christ on every man, whether you're born gay or not, the call of Christ is you must be born again.
[02:02:54]  You must be born again.
[02:02:57]  That's the whole impetus of the Christian faith, is that, of course, we're born sinners.
[02:03:02]  So, if we're merely asking the question, can some people be born with a greater propensity to sin in one category than another?
[02:03:10]  I just, I feel like, yeah, that's probably true.
[02:03:14]  I think that's probably true, even at a biological level, not just culturally and not just nurture, not just parenting.
[02:03:21]  Those have massive effects, and I don't want to minimize those at all.
[02:03:25]  Fatherlessness, you know, or gentle parenting, growing up where your parents are atheists and you never went to church, and education, you know, and all these things, like massive effects.
[02:03:36]  So, nurture, there's no question, nurture has an effect on a person.
[02:03:41]  But can there be a nature effect that really is, can be categorized as being biological?
[02:03:48]  This person biologically is going to be weaker to resist a particular temptation, moral temptation, than somebody else?
[02:04:00]  I think that the answer to that is yes.
[02:04:03]  But Bibic now speaks, that's speaking biologically, but now speaking biblically, but the moral impetus remains the same to live a holy life, to not gratify the desires of the flesh.
[02:04:18]  And if your particular flesh has greater particular desires, The verse still is universally true.
[02:04:24]  Do not gratify the desires of the flesh, but walk by the Spirit.
[02:04:29]  Don't do what's natural due to your first birth, physical birth, but be born again.
[02:04:36]  So, to me, the answer to that question, whether it's in the negative or in the positive, poses zero theological threat to Christian beliefs.
[02:04:47]  So, that's why I'm open to saying yes, because it's not.
[02:04:51]  I think some people, the gay community, like, I remember that being kind of like a gotcha question for Christians.
[02:05:00]  We gotcha.
[02:05:03]  It's not a gotcha question.
[02:05:05]  This would shake my faith and the inerrancy of Scripture.
[02:05:11]  Zero.
[02:05:12]  Zero faith shaking.
[02:05:14]  This poses zero threat to historic Christian beliefs because the call for every single person is to repent of our sins and believe the gospel and not walk.
[02:05:27]  In accordance with the flesh, but in accordance with the spirit, to be born again, to have a new nature.
[02:05:32]  And so, none of this should be threatening.
[02:05:34]  So, therefore, because it's not threatening, if there is any scientific evidence, then I don't want to be biased and feel like I have to ignore it in order to maintain my religious beliefs.
[02:05:47]  Right.
[02:05:47]  So, I feel like I can look into, you know, straight into the science, hopefully actual science and not the science, TM, and say, okay, you know what?
[02:05:58]  There are some biological.
[02:06:01]  Conditions that would make some women more aggressive than others.
[02:06:06]  There are some biological conditions that would make this generation of men lower T levels than previous generations.
[02:06:14]  And so, then, with that, could that lend towards a greater inclination towards particular sins for women and particular sins for men?
[02:06:25]  I think the answer absolutely is yes.
[02:06:27]  The only question remaining is what about this one particular sin, namely homosexuality?
[02:06:32]  And I feel like as a Christian, you could say no, you could say yes, neither one is heretical.
[02:06:38]  But I guess my answer is I think it is possible.
[02:06:41]  I think, and a lot of this is honestly, a lot of these thoughts that I've had and expressed over the last few years is a lot of just, it's just my own personal repentance for the heresy of Gnosticism.
[02:06:53]  I just think that the church at large and myself personally, I just gave way too much into over spiritualizing everything.
[02:07:03]  Where nature was not just of little account, but of no account, to where, but it's like God created a physical world and it's real and it matters and it has significance.
[02:07:13]  So, the spiritual, of course, is of greater account.
[02:07:17]  What's eternal is, of course, more important than what's temporal and physical.
[02:07:22]  But we're not Gnostics.
[02:07:24]  We have physical bodies.
[02:07:27]  We do actually have testosterone levels and they can be higher, they can be lower, and that actually does have an impact.
[02:07:35]  On behavior, these things are real.
[02:07:37]  And I think Christians should be able to embrace the physical, deny Gnosticism, but without becoming biological determinist to where it's only the physical.
[02:07:48]  Right.
[02:07:48]  And there's no spiritual element at all.
[02:07:51]  If you go that route, then you've abandoned Christianity.
[02:07:55]  You might as well just be a pagan Norse god and we can get so and so back on the chat if he'll recant his pit bull affection.
[02:08:03]  I would say, too, with this condition, it's always a complexity of factors.
[02:08:07]  So it's not as simple as a gay gene, it's not as simple as something terrible happening to you in childhood, for example, being molested.
[02:08:13]  Someone actually brought up parasites, and I think there's validity to that.
[02:08:16]  There's a parasite, Toxoplasmagandying causes a condition called toxoplasmosis.
[02:08:23]  When rats have it, they become sexually attracted to the odor of cats.
[02:08:26]  So we have parasites that we know alter the sexual proclivities of rodents to actually lead towards their own destruction.
[02:08:33]  Homosexuality is, of course, destructive.
[02:08:36]  So whether it be parasites, whether it be, we of course know that abuse in childhood inclines a child towards that.
[02:08:41]  We know fatherlessness.
[02:08:42]  We just talked about potential.
[02:08:44]  I don't, I have not seen some type of like for sure genetic inclination.
[02:08:49]  But say that it maybe exists out there that would incline someone somewhat.
[02:08:52]  Someone could have all of these factors, and yet still the Holy Spirit in sanctifying work keeps them from ever indulging in it.
[02:08:59]  Or someone could just have one, but through one process after another of a dulling of the conscience, they go on to indulge, even though they don't have parasites and they never experienced something traumatic in childhood.
[02:09:09]  It was propaganda.
[02:09:10]  So, with these things, whether it be like addiction to drugs, alcohol, pornography, homosexuality, there's a multitude of inputs that go into it, both spiritual and both natural, and they matter.
[02:09:20]  It would never be like, well, it doesn't matter.
[02:09:21]  You know, I'll infect myself or I'll take on whatever it is.
[02:09:25]  Like, no, we actually want to live healthy, want to do these things because they do matter and it can actually help sway the balance.
[02:09:31]  But exactly to your point, Joel, the spiritual matters too.
[02:09:34]  And the spiritual can actually, over and above all of these things, such were some of you, you were washed.
[02:09:39]  The spiritual can take it and can say, I don't care how you were born.
[02:09:42]  I don't care how you were raised.
[02:09:43]  I don't care what happened to you.
[02:09:44]  None of that matters because I've made you a new creation in Christ and you have the power to resist, whether it's the smallest thing from drug use, whether it's all the way up to homosexual behavior, none of it is.
[02:09:54]  Nailed the coffin, no hope.
[02:09:56]  Look at how I was raised.
[02:09:57]  This was always going to be me.
[02:09:58]  Amen.
[02:09:59]  Well said, because that, I think that is paramount within, you know, biblical orthodoxy and Christian faith is like, if God saves a meth head, like the spirit sanctifying work in my life to keep me on a daily basis from indulging in meth is not that much.
[02:10:22]  Like, it doesn't, like, the Holy Spirit.
[02:10:24]  Oh, you mean you personally?
[02:10:25]  Yeah, me personally.
[02:10:26]  Spirit's not like working overtime.
[02:10:29]  Like, it's like, man, I'm firing on all cylinders to keep Joel away from meth, you know, because it's just like, even before I was a Christian, you know, I never, by the grace of God, you know, but I've never had a day in my life where I was like, man, if I could only find some meth, you know, like that's just my thing.
[02:10:44]  But for a meth head who's been doing it for years and years and then God saves him, then that's a major piece of his sanctification is resisting that temptation that is now chemically ingrained within his flesh, his body.
[02:11:00]  He's craving this.
[02:11:02]  So there's the habitual factors.
[02:11:04]  So even once his body is completely detoxed and all these things, which could take a very, very long time for every trace and every.
[02:11:12]  But even when he's biologically restored, there's still even the habitual, you know, the nostalgia and the memory.
[02:11:19]  And so there's the habitual element for him.
[02:11:21]  There's at least initially the biological component for him.
[02:11:25]  His body is literally craving, physically craving meth.
[02:11:29]  And so for him, To be born again and resist that temptation is a mighty, powerful work of the Holy Spirit.
[02:11:37]  And so that's undeniably true.
[02:11:41]  But what we don't want to say is that for some people, the biological component is just too far gone to where the spirit can't do it.
[02:11:50]  That is just categorically unchristian.
[02:11:55]  Fatalism.
[02:11:56]  Yeah, we don't believe that.
[02:11:57]  No matter how far gone someone is, no matter where they come from, no matter what's in their DNA, no matter, like you come from some tribe that's been worshiping demons for a thousand years, it's like, yeah, you're going to have some disadvantages.
[02:12:12]  No question.
[02:12:13]  And we don't want to deny the physical component, but that person can be saved.
[02:12:18]  And if they are saved, then the biblical requirements for obedience to Christ's commands are incumbent upon them, just as it is anyone else.
[02:12:28]  And the Holy Spirit can sanctify them in such a way that the power we have to believe the universal Christian truths.
[02:12:37]  And a big one of them is that so long as we're in this life, the presence of sin remains, but the penalty of sin has been paid and the power of sin has been broken.
[02:12:47]  And when I say the power of sin being broken, that doesn't mean that in this life we reach a state of sinless perfection.
[02:12:52]  No one will.
[02:12:53]  But what it does mean, the power being broken, so presence remains, but power is broken.
[02:12:57]  Power is broken.
[02:12:58]  What that's referring to is not that Christians will no longer sin because the power is broken.
[02:13:03]  But what it does mean is that Christians no longer have to sin.
[02:13:06]  They're no longer enslaved to sin.
[02:13:08]  That is actually a possibility, not just hypothetically or in theory, but it is a real possibility for a Christian, if they're born again, No matter what their background, no matter what their physical, biological disadvantages or anything, it is as someone who is born again in Christ by grace through faith and who is a temple of the Holy Spirit, it is a viable possibility that they can resist sin.

=== The Broken Power of Sin (04:34) ===

[02:13:37]  And that's why I'll leave it with this.
[02:13:40]  I haven't mentioned it because I don't want to mention it, I don't want to get in the weeds with this, but everybody's seen it at this point.
[02:13:46]  The debate between James White and Corey Mahler.
[02:13:49]  My opinion is like, well, what do you think?
[02:13:51]  Whose side are you on?
[02:13:52]  Like, this is what I'll say.
[02:13:55]  My opinion, I just want to go on record saying this I would have never taken that debate.
[02:14:01]  I absolutely hate the framing.
[02:14:04]  I feel like the framing was an automatic loss, like that you were stepping into a no win scenario.
[02:14:13]  And I think, you know, to not just say it myself, but to include somebody else, so, you know, I'm not alone here.
[02:14:20]  Stephen Wolf, Dr. Stephen Wolf is a good friend.
[02:14:23]  He put out a tweet like the day after the debate came out.
[02:14:26]  I assume he watched it or part of it.
[02:14:29]  But I thought it was simple, but it was insightful, a really good tweet.
[02:14:33]  And he just said, he said, sanctification is not the right category.
[02:14:38]  Like this is, he said, something along the lines, he said, it's a shame because this actually is an important conversation.
[02:14:46]  But it's an important conversation that was lost due to the framing because he said, sanctification is not the proper theological framework for this conversation.
[02:14:57]  And then he began to explain that just briefly, but by saying that, like, he just said, he spoke for himself personally.
[02:15:03]  He said, I wouldn't even know how to begin quantifying sanctification.
[02:15:07]  How do you quantify it?
[02:15:08]  How do you qualify it?
[02:15:09]  What is sanctification and what components does it affect?
[02:15:11]  Because if we're talking about the ability of a society to produce art and philosophy, like, is that under the category of sanctification?
[02:15:21]  And at what point does this become innovation and societal innovation versus something that's strictly moral?
[02:15:30]  Moral belongs to sanctification.
[02:15:31]  And so, all that being said, I think the conversation over nature and how it affects peoples and distinctions is a conversation worth having.
[02:15:40]  But having that conversation and placing it into the category of sanctification that some people cannot or will not, ordinarily will not be as sanctified as others, my position, what do I think about the debate?
[02:15:54]  I think that that was incredibly unhelpful.
[02:15:57]  That was incredibly unhelpful.
[02:16:01]  And I think that's precisely why, because yes, I did watch it.
[02:16:04]  Because everybody else is watching.
[02:16:06]  I'm a reformed pastor.
[02:16:07]  I knew people in my church will watch it.
[02:16:08]  I wanted to be up to date and briefed on it.
[02:16:12]  And I guess the final thing I'll say is this you know, it was a bad framing to call it sanctification.
[02:16:20]  And one of the indicators that it was a bad framing is the fact that Corey had to spend a significant amount of his time giving all the qualifications of like, but technically, and this is what, you know.
[02:16:34]  And so then it's like, then why do you even do the debate with that framing?
[02:16:38]  And here I can only speculate, but my guess would be that it's likely that perhaps that's the only way that Dr. White would have taken the debate, that perhaps the framing was on White's part.
[02:16:55]  And Corey perhaps thought that the only way that he would ever, that this was his, the ship would sail and this was his one chance to ever be able to debate Dr. White.
[02:17:06]  And so he had to surrender on the framing.
[02:17:09]  And then his strategy was to try to knowingly that he had to surrender on the framing, that he would try to make it up with all of his qualifications in the debate.
[02:17:18]  But personally, not demonizing either one of them, but personally for myself, if that was the stipulations of the debate, I will not debate you on the differences of people unless we categorize it as sanctification.
[02:17:31]  Then my answer would just be a resounding, comfortable no.
[02:17:34]  I will not enter the arena with that debate.
[02:17:37]  I'm not going to debate the spirit of God's ability to sanctify different peoples.
[02:17:43]  So, anyways, yeah.
[02:17:45]  So, all that being said, back to the question can people be born gay?
[02:17:49]  Maybe.
[02:17:49]  That's my answer.
[02:17:50]  Maybe.
[02:17:52]  Maybe some people can be born gay, but the Holy Spirit can sanctify anyone.
[02:17:56]  Right?
[02:17:56]  Anyone.
[02:17:57]  So, all right.
[02:17:58]  Well, thank you guys.
[02:17:58]  I feel like that's all the time we have.
[02:18:00]  J Dog, super chat, $1.
[02:18:01]  Thank you.
[02:18:02]  Thanks, J Dog.
[02:18:02]  Appreciate that.
[02:18:03]  Okay.
[02:18:04]  Thank you guys for tuning in.
[02:18:05]  And I hope you've been blessed by this episode.
[02:18:07]  Thank you, Michael, for outlining it and bringing all that research to the table.
[02:18:10]  And Lord willing, we'll see you guys on Friday.