NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Joe Rogan, Ian Carroll, & The Jews
Aired: 2025-03-07
Duration: 01:51:49


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[00:00:29]  Power is not what they tell you it is.
[00:00:32]  See, it's not merely politicians that give speeches or elections shifting hands.
[00:00:37]  No, real power operates behind the scenes, often through intelligence agencies, corporate interests, and financial networks that manipulate nations without ever stepping into the light.
[00:00:50]  This isn't new.
[00:00:51]  The British East India Company didn't just trade, it ran entire nations, toppling rulers who got in its way.
[00:00:59]  The CIA, for instance, didn't just fight communism.
[00:01:02]  It overthrew governments that threatened corporate profits, like in Guatemala with United Fruit Company.
[00:01:08]  From the House of Fuguer bankrolling kings in the 1500s to Israel's intelligence operations blackmailing American elites, the same tactics repeat over and over again control the leadership, control the money, control the story.
[00:01:26]  Now, recently, Joe Rogan sat down with Ian Carroll to discuss a subject that gets people deplatformed elite Jewish influence.
[00:01:36]  In the realm of finance, media, and geopolitics.
[00:01:40]  The response was predictable outrage, accusations, and the usual demand that some topics remain off limits.
[00:01:48]  But why is this conversation so radioactive?
[00:01:51]  Why is scrutiny of elite power labeled as bigotry while real intelligence operations like Epstein's network are ignored?
[00:02:01]  And what about Israel?
[00:02:02]  Why does a foreign nation wield such massive influence over American politics?
[00:02:08]  Why do U.S. politicians fall over themselves to fund Israel's military, defend its intelligence operations, and suppress criticism?
[00:02:19]  Epstein's blackmail ring is just the surface.
[00:02:22]  But how deep does this control actually go?
[00:02:25]  This isn't about one group, it's about a system.
[00:02:29]  And today we're breaking that system down.
[00:02:31]  Epstein, Israeli intelligence, deep state alliances, and the weaponization of conspiracy theories.
[00:02:39]  We're exposing the machinery of modern.
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[00:03:07]  See, if you control the narrative, you control the people.
[00:03:11]  That's why some stories are silenced while others are amplified.
[00:03:15]  That brings us to Joe Rogan, Ian Carroll, and the conversation that they just had.
[00:03:21]  What did they get right?
[00:03:23]  What did they perhaps miss?
[00:03:25]  And what deeper connections remain unexplored?
[00:03:28]  Let's get into it.
[00:03:40]  All right, welcome.
[00:03:41]  Happy Friday.
[00:03:42]  We're going to go ahead and hop right in.
[00:03:43]  We are going to address what was said in this infamous interview between Joe Rogan and Ian Carroll.
[00:03:50]  So, we're going to deal with the what, the substance, like I just said in the Cold Open, what we think is right, what we think is wrong, where they may have missed something and where they perhaps nailed it.
[00:03:59]  So, we're going to get into the substance, answering the question, what.
[00:04:02]  But first, I want to address how and why, just briefly right here from the outset.
[00:04:09]  There's something that I think we need to be aware of.
[00:04:11]  Two main individuals come to mind.
[00:04:13]  There's a lot of guys who've talked about Israel in the last couple of years.
[00:04:18]  As suppression of speech has lessened from Elon buying Twitter, turning it into X, with Trump winning and the Biden regime, all these different things, there are certain things that we are able to talk about in the public sphere with a little bit more liberty than we would have been able to just a short while ago.
[00:04:40]  So you're seeing a spike.
[00:04:42]  Um, in these kinds of topics, especially around Israel, especially you know, the Jews, and all these kinds of things.
[00:04:49]  Um, so a lot of guys are talking about it, that's my point.
[00:04:52]  Uh, but there are two guys in particular that I think have gotten a very unusually wide audience.
[00:04:58]  Uh, but I think there's a reason why.
[00:05:00]  Now, obviously, uh, I think the first thing that people are going to say is they're going to say, Well, the reason why is because they're controlled opposition and blah blah blah blah.
[00:05:08]  Um, yeah, maybe that that's all always a possibility.
[00:05:11]  Uh, controlled opposition is a real thing, I don't want to diminish that.
[00:05:15]  At all.
[00:05:16]  That's real.
[00:05:18]  There are guys who are bought and paid for to appear to have a thin veneer of being opposition, being conservative, but they're not.
[00:05:31]  They're still on the side of the regime and everything like that, still a part of the status quo.
[00:05:36]  That's absolutely a reality.
[00:05:39]  But in the case of two individuals, Ian Carroll and martyr maid, Daryl Cooper, So, Daryl Cooper, he went on Tucker Carlson a few months back.
[00:05:50]  And then Ian Carroll, he just, you know, a couple days ago went on Joe Rogan.
[00:05:54]  These are two massive platforms, massive Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan.
[00:05:59]  And Daryl's going on the Rogan show.
[00:06:00]  He's coming down in Austin.
[00:06:01]  He said he's going to be on.
[00:06:02]  So, you're going to see us right here on Monday.
[00:06:05]  Run it back.
[00:06:05]  No, just kidding.
[00:06:06]  But he is going to be on Rogan.
[00:06:07]  Oh, he is.
[00:06:07]  This weekend?
[00:06:09]  Yeah, he's coming down.
[00:06:10]  And I don't know when it'll come out.
[00:06:11]  Oh, yeah.
[00:06:11]  That's exciting.
[00:06:13]  So, why these guys?
[00:06:15]  Why Daryl Cooper and Ian Carroll?
[00:06:17]  Again, controlled opposition is something that I've been seeing online from a lot of different voices and platforms on X.
[00:06:25]  Well, it's just because blah, Maybe that's possible.
[00:06:31]  I think there's a lot of controlled opposition.
[00:06:33]  It's a real thing.
[00:06:33]  In the case of these two individuals, Ian Carroll, I know less about.
[00:06:38]  Daryl Cooper, I actually do know a little bit because I am friends with some of the guys who are personally friends with him and have known him for several years before he caught his big break, before he went on Tucker, long before any of that.
[00:06:51]  So, I will speak with more confidence in the case of Daryl Cooper than Ian Carroll.
[00:06:58]  But I think that both, there is a common denominator.
[00:07:01]  There's a thread that runs through both of these two guys that I think is at least part of the reason why they're getting so much limelight and able to speak to such a large audience on this very controversial topic of Israel.
[00:07:19]  And here it is.
[00:07:20]  One, Is because both of them posture themselves with a disposition, just a general disposition of humility.
[00:07:27]  The number of times that Ian Carroll said on this interview with Joe Rogan, I could be wrong, was a lot, a lot.
[00:07:36]  And that goes a long way.
[00:07:37]  And so I want to pick up on some of these things that I observed in terms of before we get into what, the substance, looking at why and how.
[00:07:46]  And the reason why I think it's worth our brief investigation right here on the front end is because if there are some profound, deep, sinister corruptions that need to be exposed, right, the scripture even tells us, you know, take no part in the deeds of wickedness that are done in darkness, but rather avoid them.
[00:08:08]  Nope, expose them.
[00:08:10]  The Bible actually says that we should expose these things.

=== No Third Category Exists (04:00) ===

[00:08:13]  So, for the good of the righteous, for the good of our families, our wives, our children, for the good of our nation, if it is true that the relationship with America and Israel at a political level,
[00:08:27]  all these different things, if that really is harmful and negative, then as a patriot and loving your country and loving your wife and your children, wanting the best future for your family, for your posterity, for your fellow citizens, Then we want to expose these things.
[00:08:46]  We want to expose evil that righteousness might prevail.
[00:08:50]  And yes, I do think that there is a massively negative impact at a political level with Israel and America, and then certainly at a religious and spiritual level.
[00:09:03]  The whole Judeo Christian oxymoron, because that's what it is, it's an oxymoron, it's incredibly unhelpful.
[00:09:11]  There are so many Christians that.
[00:09:14]  Whether they would verbalize this and say it out loud, at least at some subconscious level, they treat Jews, and at this point I'm saying Jews in a religious sense, religious practicing Jews, as though it's some Christian adjacent category.
[00:09:32]  It's not.
[00:09:33]  There are children of God and children of Satan.
[00:09:35]  John chapter 8 is very clear with this.
[00:09:38]  If God is not your father, and just for the record, people who say we're all God's children.
[00:09:43]  No, the Bible doesn't teach that.
[00:09:45]  The Bible does not teach we're all children of God.
[00:09:47]  The whole idea of Christianity is that upon conversion, being saved by grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone, there's the ministry of adoption.
[00:09:55]  The ministry of adoption, meaning I was adopted in a literal sense as a baby.
[00:10:00]  And if my birth parents took me to the courthouse as a baby and said, We want to adopt this child, they would look at my birth parents as though they were, Well, actually, we need to take this child away because you are intellectually so deficient, you're not fit for raising a child.
[00:10:18]  What do you mean you want to adopt this child?
[00:10:20]  He's already yours.
[00:10:21]  So, the mere presence of the doctrine, theological Christian doctrine of adoption, what it presupposes is if God is adopting people as his children, that assumes that not all people are his children.
[00:10:36]  I'll say that again.
[00:10:36]  If God is adopting people as his children, it presupposes that not all people are his children.
[00:10:42]  And so we are born into sin, is what the Bible teaches.
[00:10:48]  Now, that's not to say that people don't have a father.
[00:10:52]  The Bible's clear, everybody has a father.
[00:10:54]  But if God is not your father, then you still have a father, but your father is the devil.
[00:11:00]  That's what John chapter 8 teaches.
[00:11:04]  And so until you are born again and saved by the grace of God and his grace alone and have union with Christ, the only begotten Son of God, we're adopted as sons of God by virtue of our union with the Son of God, who is Jesus Christ.
[00:11:19]  Apart from that, God is not your father, the devil is your father.
[00:11:23]  And so my whole point in saying that is.
[00:11:26]  It is to say that there are only two categories.
[00:11:28]  You're either in Adam and spiritually dead in sin, or you're in the second Adam, who is Jesus Christ and spiritually alive and forgiven.
[00:11:37]  And in a positional sense, you are righteous because of the imputed righteousness of Christ, which comes by faith.
[00:11:45]  And so you're either wicked or you're righteous.
[00:11:48]  You're either in Adam or you're in Christ.
[00:11:50]  You're either a child of God or you're a child of the devil.
[00:11:53]  There is no third Christian adjacent category.
[00:11:58]  Those who are practicing false religions, be it Islam or be it You know, Buddhism or Hinduism or Judaism are lost.
[00:12:08]  They are lost.
[00:12:09]  They are not Christian adjacent.
[00:12:12]  They're not our brothers in Christ.

=== Exposing False Religions (14:17) ===

[00:12:14]  They're not our allies.
[00:12:16]  They are lost.
[00:12:17]  They are enemies of God, children of His wrath.
[00:12:20]  And by virtue of being enemies of God, they are enemies of God's people.
[00:12:24]  And that doesn't mean that we can't pray for their conversion.
[00:12:26]  It doesn't mean that we don't do the work of evangelists.
[00:12:28]  It doesn't mean that we need to be unnecessarily rude or any of these things.
[00:12:32]  But we do need to recognize whatever.
[00:12:36]  Whatever concerns you might have of Islam taking over Europe, you should have those concerns about Judaism.
[00:12:44]  You should.
[00:12:45]  Islam has been one of the greatest, most formidable enemies of the church, the Christian church, for at least, what, 13 centuries?
[00:12:55]  All the crusades, I mean, centuries of wars between Christians and Muslims.
[00:13:01]  And so Islam is a formidable enemy.
[00:13:03]  The only difference between Islam and Judaism, as far as I'm concerned, is that one of those enemies is overt and the other one is subvert.
[00:13:11]  One of them is overt and attacks from without, from the outside.
[00:13:15]  The other one is subvert and attacks, I believe, in many ways, from within.
[00:13:20]  Now, here's the point.
[00:13:21]  As it pertains to Ian Carroll and the interview that he just did two days ago on Joe Rogan and also with Daryl Cooper, one of the reasons why they're getting such a massive stage to have these conversations is because of the disclaimers, the qualifiers, the carefulness.
[00:13:37]  So when I say that Judaism is an enemy, and I think that Israel poses a religious and political and even cultural threat to Christianity and to the West and to America.
[00:13:50]  Both of these guys, Ian Carroll especially, he qualified that by saying, I don't mean each and every individual Jewish person at an ethnic level.
[00:14:01]  He's saying, no, no, no.
[00:14:03]  You know, it's like Orr McIntyre, I think, is good in terms of Italian elite theory.
[00:14:10]  Here's the reality is every individual American citizen.
[00:14:15]  Responsible for, you know, to whatever degree they've embraced the degenerate values that we find in the modern Western culture?
[00:14:28]  Yes.
[00:14:29]  You know, to give a really specific example, is an individual person, a man, let's just use a man, is he responsible under God and is he going to have to stand before God and give an account for looking at pornography?
[00:14:47]  And being lustful, being perverted, being a pervert according to the Word of God?
[00:14:52]  Yes.
[00:14:54]  But biblically speaking, so not just tactics and strategy, but even morally and biblically, is he equally culpable, equally morally responsible as somebody who is peddling pornography?
[00:15:10]  And the answer is no.
[00:15:12]  This is a clear biblical principle.
[00:15:13]  Jesus talks about this.
[00:15:14]  He talks about there is a difference in degree.
[00:15:19]  Of moral culpability for the one who stumbles and the one who causes another to stumble.
[00:15:25]  There's a difference in stumbling that is sin.
[00:15:29]  And you like, so it's not to say, oh, you're absolved of guilt, you know, like, no, no, you're guilty.
[00:15:33]  You're guilty of stumbling.
[00:15:35]  You're a sinner, and the only salvation there is is by grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone.
[00:15:40]  And apart from that, you will go to hell for stumbling.
[00:15:44]  But there is a distinction, a difference of degrees of moral culpability between the one who stumbles and the one who causes another to stumble.
[00:15:53]  And so, as it pertains to elite theory, one of the things that's catching on.
[00:15:58]  When you look at just the globe and modern phenomena, what is the Lord perhaps doing and what's going on?
[00:16:05]  Populism is one of those things that's going on, whether it's El Salvador or whether it's Argentina or whether it's these United States.
[00:16:13]  We see a resurgence of populism and what you see in terms of people winning elections and ideas that are going mainstream and all these kinds of things.
[00:16:23]  One of the common denominators is saying, hey, you know what?
[00:16:28]  We're not going to just bash the American people, we're going to bash the elites, especially the leftist Marxist regime in America.
[00:16:39]  It is more responsible.
[00:16:41]  It's not that the American people have done no wrong, but it's more responsible, morally responsible, for the downgrade in virtues and values in America over the past few decades.
[00:16:53]  And so if you're speaking of Argentina, if you're speaking of El Salvador, if you're speaking of America, It's one thing to say, hey, you know what, the whole country sucks and the people are awful.
[00:17:05]  That doesn't get a lot of steam, doesn't get you a lot of traction.
[00:17:10]  But to say, you know what, the people, yes, they're morally responsible.
[00:17:14]  They're not innocent people.
[00:17:15]  They're not perfect people.
[00:17:17]  There are problems and they are responsible for those problems, but they are not equally responsible to their leaders who have betrayed them, who have done this, who have done that.
[00:17:25]  If you're speaking of Great Britain, there should be a distinction in your rhetoric towards.
[00:17:33]  The prime minister, who right now is making the conscious decision to take the 70,000 predominantly white men in Great Britain and send them to die for Ukraine versus those men themselves.
[00:17:47]  So if you're speaking of Great Britain, you just say, England is just, they deserve it, and they're cowardly and they're weak and they're pathetic.
[00:17:56]  There's some truth to that, but that dog won't hunt for the most part.
[00:18:02]  But if you say, no, the English elite, The elite politicians in England sold out their native citizens and people and allowed their country without any popular vote, nobody voted for it, to be overrun by foreigners and particularly Muslims.
[00:18:20]  And now are sending some of the few native citizens because it's not like it's not 70,000 Muslims that are citizens now in Great Britain that are filling the ranks of their military that are going to go to Ukraine's aid.
[00:18:32]  No, it's primarily the native citizens, the native people.
[00:18:36]  Of Great Britain that are going to go and pay this cost with their lives.
[00:18:40]  And so it's like, no, the people are actually being oppressed.
[00:18:43]  The people are being replaced in real time, right before our eyes.
[00:18:49]  And the elites are the ones who are most responsible, most guilty.
[00:18:55]  And so my point is Ian Carroll used that kind of rhetoric.
[00:18:59]  He said, I could be wrong several times.
[00:19:01]  He also, the difference between just propaganda, could it be propaganda, this whole interview?
[00:19:06]  Sure.
[00:19:07]  But if so, At minimum, we can say this it is more effective propaganda because he admitted that he could be wrong on multiple occasions.
[00:19:16]  He also cited sources and he also told people to come to their own conclusions.
[00:19:21]  You go look it up.
[00:19:23]  What do you think?
[00:19:24]  You check it out.
[00:19:25]  You make your own conclusion.
[00:19:26]  You make your own decision.
[00:19:28]  So, doing that instead of just saying, this is how it is, for sure, 100%, that's another thing.
[00:19:34]  And then, lastly, as he spoke about Israel and the Jews, he didn't say, and all Jewish people are X, Y, and Z.
[00:19:41]  No, he specified, he used disclaimers, and he said, no, I think it's a lot of elites.
[00:19:47]  It's a lot of leaders that are doing these things, and it needs to be exposed.
[00:19:53]  And by just having those three disclaimers, I could be wrong.
[00:19:58]  You feel free to research this yourself and come to your own conclusions, and then specifying, distinguishing between elites and each and every individual Jewish person.
[00:20:09]  That right there, in Martyr Mae, Daryl Cooper, same kind of strategy.
[00:20:16]  I think it's strategically superior and will get you into much larger spaces to make a much larger impact.
[00:20:23]  But it's also, I believe, not just strategically, but I think morally and biblically, it's.
[00:20:30]  More true.
[00:20:31]  It actually is true.
[00:20:32]  Jesus talks about, you know, to one will be given a light beating in eternity in terms of eternal consequences for sin.
[00:20:38]  To another will be given a severe beating.
[00:20:41]  And there are degrees of sin.
[00:20:43]  Not all sin is equal.
[00:20:43]  That's a misnomer.
[00:20:45]  That is a common Christian myth, modern myth.
[00:20:48]  Not all sin is equal.
[00:20:50]  And leaders are always more morally responsible than those who are not privy to the information that they have and who are following and don't necessarily know everything that's going on.
[00:21:01]  And so as we have these kinds of conversations, Utilizing, you know, we're going to get into what the substance of what was said, and we're going to be playing some clips from the interview, but first talking about why and how.
[00:21:13]  Why is Ian Carroll on such a massive platform?
[00:21:16]  Why is Daryl Cooper on such a massive platform?
[00:21:19]  Well, one, they've both, and Daryl Cooper, I think much more, but they've done a ton of the reading, they've done a lot of research.
[00:21:26]  That's one.
[00:21:27]  And two, they're painting both sides.
[00:21:32]  The last thing I'll say about the Ian Carroll interview that stood out to me was there was a point, and I've said this in the past, but it's been a while since I've said it.
[00:21:40]  There was a point where he basically said, Look, I don't think it's just some Jewish cabal where everybody is meeting in a room together and has a whiteboard and is going over 10 different steps for global doctrine.
[00:21:53]  Protocols of the Elders of Zion or something.
[00:21:54]  That's right.
[00:21:55]  Instead, he said, No, here's the deal.
[00:21:58]  You've got corporate entities and you've got politicians and you've got this and that and three letter agencies and all these different major players and billionaires and X, Y, and Z.
[00:22:11]  And he said, But the reality is you don't have to be.
[00:22:14]  You don't have to get everybody in a room with some kind of cabal.
[00:22:20]  The reality of just the way that the world works, and he didn't say this because he's not a Christian, but I'll say it as a Christian minister.
[00:22:28]  It's either 1 or 2 Peter, one of Peter's epistles, where he says, There is sin which is common to man.
[00:22:36]  You don't have to get everybody in a room to collaborate and scheme together, when the reality is, according to Scripture, And the fallen nature of humanity, apart from grace and salvation, which is in Christ alone, for the unregenerate person, for the sinner in a world that is marred by sin, there are nobody's that special.
[00:22:59]  Nobody's that unique.
[00:23:01]  People are not that unique.
[00:23:03]  There are some common sins which are common to all men, according to the scripture.
[00:23:08]  And so you don't have to have the politicians meet with every head of every Fortune 500 company and then have the companies meet with.
[00:23:16]  You know, these guys over here and those guys over there, and get them all together, and you know, wah ha ha ha ha in a back room.
[00:23:22]  That's not my position.
[00:23:23]  It's never been my position.
[00:23:26]  What I'm saying is no, sin is common to man.
[00:23:29]  And when people have power, a lot of power, whether it's political or economic or whatever it might be, when they have or media, they just have visibility is power.
[00:23:39]  If they have a lot of power, then there are some common interests that you don't have to call someone and say, hey, I just want to make sure.
[00:23:50]  Remember, we're trying to make a lot of money and I want to just make sure that you're staying committed to the goal and making a lot of money.
[00:23:56]  Like, you don't have to call Bill Gates and make sure that he's no, no, like, he sees an opportunity for money and nobody has to call him.
[00:24:05]  He's just, he'll be there, right?
[00:24:07]  If he's vaccines to Africa, I'm in.
[00:24:10]  Yeah.
[00:24:10]  He's like, oh, yeah.
[00:24:11]  No more detail needed.
[00:24:12]  American, yeah, American tax dollars.
[00:24:13]  Nobody had to say, like, hey, we've got this scheme or whatever.
[00:24:17]  No, it's just like, oh, I can exploit American tax dollars and maybe they're good and maybe they're bad, you know, to third world countries.
[00:24:26]  I'm there.
[00:24:26]  Nobody had to give him that call.
[00:24:30]  No, it's sin which is common to man.
[00:24:32]  He has the means, right, as a billionaire, to sin at a much higher level.
[00:24:37]  And the desire is there because the desire is common to all men apart from saving grace, which is found in Christ alone.
[00:24:44]  And so Ian didn't put it into those theological terms, but that's kind of what he was expressing is just saying, look, whether it's Pizzagate, which we'll get into a little bit, or whether it's the Epstein files, or whether it's this, that, or the other, there are some.
[00:25:00]  Forms of wickedness that are really, at the end of the day, they might seem crazy to us, but they're actually common.
[00:25:11]  Sexual perversion is a tale as old as time.
[00:25:15]  Greed is a tale as old as time.
[00:25:19]  These are things, and we're going to talk about this today, that are not novel.
[00:25:22]  They're not new.
[00:25:23]  Different entities have committed certain sins over the ages.
[00:25:27]  Maybe it was this country, or maybe it was the government, or maybe it was.
[00:25:31]  These feudal lords, or maybe it was, you know, at different times, different people were guilty, but there are certain things that have happened throughout human history again and again and again.
[00:25:40]  There's nothing new under the sun.
[00:25:42]  There's nothing new under the sun.
[00:25:43]  And you don't have to prove that everybody's in on it, meaning that they all meet once a year underground, you know, and do certain animal sacrifices and that it's, you know, this in person, you know, compulsion.
[00:25:58]  Some of it is.
[00:25:59]  Some of it may be, and we're going to get into that, but it doesn't have to be.
[00:26:03]  So, when you just say, look, this does not necessitate a formal official Jewish cabal, and you say, look, you can do your own research and you don't have to believe everything I'm saying.
[00:26:12]  You say, look, I'm a fallible person and I could be wrong.
[00:26:15]  And also, let me distinguish between elites versus every single individual Jewish person.
[00:26:21]  You make those few caveats at the beginning, and all of a sudden, that can make the difference in a million viewers versus 14 people on 4chan.

=== Roman Empire Secrets (11:40) ===

[00:26:31]  So, that's what I wanted to start with in the beginning.
[00:26:34]  I think that those are some lessons that Christians can take away.
[00:26:37]  And I think that they're lessons that aren't just strategically superior, but they actually have biblical backing.
[00:26:44]  There's actually a biblical reason for us to utilize those same strategies.
[00:26:49]  Okay.
[00:26:49]  Good.
[00:26:50]  Okay.
[00:26:50]  So that's a good transition.
[00:26:53]  One of the things I wanted to make sure we say here at the beginning is some of the stuff that we're going to talk about in this episode is not going to be appropriate for children.
[00:27:02]  All right.
[00:27:02]  So not all of it, that intro, fine.
[00:27:05]  But some of the stuff we're going to talk about in later segments is this is just not a good episode for children.
[00:27:11]  Children to be listening to.
[00:27:13]  One of the things that Joel, you just said that I want to pick up on, and then I'm going to hand it to Wes for a comment you made right before we went live, and then maybe we'll hit our break and then jump into the clips.
[00:27:24]  One of the things that Joel, you were talking about is the sins that are common to men throughout history.
[00:27:29]  And the reality is that the sort of things that are going on in our world now with Jewish influence, or if you wanted to say quote unquote Jewish conspiracies, these sorts of things have happened many, many times.
[00:27:43]  And the cold opened.
[00:27:44]  We mentioned the Fuger family.
[00:27:46]  Jacob Fuger in the 15th century was a German textile manufacturer and trader.
[00:27:54]  And he took a different approach.
[00:27:56]  Once he made a little bit of money, what he did instead of developing more textile factories and more trading routes was he began to lend that money to politicians.
[00:28:06]  And he started lower with dukes and things like that.
[00:28:08]  And then once he would lend them the money, then he would exert a measure of control on them.
[00:28:14]  And it got to the point where he actually.
[00:28:19]  The Holy Roman Empire needed a new ruler, and there were two main candidates.
[00:28:25]  The one was Francis I of France, and the second one was Charles of Habsburg, Charles V. And the problem was that the empire's electors were notoriously corrupt.
[00:28:36]  And so what happened was Jacob Fugger, because he had loaned money and made a lot of money on interest.
[00:28:42]  Now, he was not Jewish.
[00:28:43]  That's the point of this.
[00:28:44]  But then we're going to tie it all back together here in a minute.
[00:28:48]  He loaned money.
[00:28:49]  He got a lot more money and interest.
[00:28:50]  He got a lot of power.
[00:28:53]  When the Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, was looking for a new emperor, Fuger lent 850,000 florins, which was almost like you couldn't even imagine that kind of wealth at the time, to Charles V. I actually can imagine that kind of wealth because we just got a $300 super chat.
[00:29:12]  But go ahead.
[00:29:13]  Okay.
[00:29:13]  Okay.
[00:29:14]  No, no, no, that's fine.
[00:29:15]  We'll get to it.
[00:29:15]  Yeah, that's amazing.
[00:29:16]  I feel like an emperor right now.
[00:29:19]  $300 super chat.
[00:29:20]  I plan to buy up a bunch of land and I'm going to make you guys serfs.
[00:29:25]  I was just kidding.
[00:29:27]  So he, because he was involved in getting Charles V elected, he then actually exerted a stunning amount of control over not just the political, but the religious, because this was the Holy Roman Empire.
[00:29:41]  He himself was influential in pushing the Catholic doctrine of selling indulgences.
[00:29:46]  And so his control, his purchasing of elections, his putting people, they weren't necessarily elected officials, but putting political.
[00:29:58]  Personalities in power ended up determining the rulers of nations, the rulers of the Roman Empire, church doctrine like indulgences.
[00:30:09]  And he went on to just fund war after war, conflict after conflict, and basically had his way with Europe for decades.
[00:30:18]  Now, here's the point most of us, when we look at these sorts of actors in history, when the light of history exposes what happened back then, most of us look back and we say it's good.
[00:30:31]  That we know that that's happening.
[00:30:33]  And at the time, probably the educated people would have liked to have known what was going on as well.
[00:30:39]  The priests who are now selling indulgences probably would have liked to know that it was because of a German textile trader that the Catholic Church largely changed its position on selling indulgences.
[00:30:52]  The point is, when these sorts of things happen, yes, they've happened for all time, but it's good when they get exposed, when the corruption and the backroom and the manipulation gets exposed, as you said, Joel.
[00:31:05]  And Wes, I don't want to steal your thunder, but you said one of the problems in our modern time, and the reason we talked about Israel, is that this seems to be the area where we are not allowed to expose these backroom machinations.
[00:31:19]  And so, Wes, before we go to our.
[00:31:22]  Super chat and then the break.
[00:31:24]  I want you to kind of unpack what you said about the darkness in this area that we live in now and why it's important that we talk about it.
[00:31:31]  Yeah.
[00:31:31]  Well, let's just rewind right to 2016, 2017.
[00:31:35]  Trump wins the election.
[00:31:36]  And what did we hear about for close to two to three years afterwards?
[00:31:41]  Russiagate, the interference of Russian intelligence, allegedly, into our election system.
[00:31:47]  I mean, people were hauled in front of the Senate, people were investigated, people lost their livelihoods.
[00:31:53]  It was a huge deal that dominated the headlines.
[00:31:55]  And at the core of it, what was really being discussed was like probably about 10 to 15, some of them just straight up memes, like of Jesus versus the devil.
[00:32:03]  And it's like, my child will vote for Trump and my child will vote for Clinton.
[00:32:06]  That's how conservative we were about interference from Russia intelligence into our election.
[00:32:10]  It's the same thing with China, right?
[00:32:12]  We've been saying for how many decades, got to get ahead of China.
[00:32:14]  We're scared of China, Chinese infiltration, right?
[00:32:16]  We can't have TikTok, which I'm in favor of.
[00:32:19]  So we have this standard for all of these other countries and intelligence because we recognize.
[00:32:23]  How damaging they can be.
[00:32:25]  They can do things to the election, they can sway the populace, they can subvert, et cetera.
[00:32:28]  And yet, there's this one country in the Middle East, and it's not Iraq.
[00:32:31]  There's a country in the Middle East.
[00:32:32]  Is it Iran?
[00:32:34]  It's also not that one either, or Afghanistan.
[00:32:36]  The country of Israel, where we never talk in those ways, that we're worried that there could be the sharing of secrets, they're worried there could be quid pro quo.
[00:32:43]  And why is that?
[00:32:45]  And I thought about it like, why?
[00:32:46]  Okay, so we're talking about the elites, specifically, not necessarily all of the Jewish people, but we claw it back like, why is this such a sensitive topic?
[00:32:54]  And, guys, it is the post war consensus.
[00:32:56]  There are people right now saying this episode that Ian did with Joe Rogan.
[00:33:01]  Jeremy Boring.
[00:33:01]  They're freaking out about it.
[00:33:02]  Yeah, Jeremy Boring.
[00:33:03]  CEO of Daily Wire.
[00:33:04]  Which I've just about ratioed him, but it was a retweet.
[00:33:07]  So I retweeted him, and I think he has like seven and a half thousand likes on his, and I've got six and a half on mine.
[00:33:14]  I'm getting there.
[00:33:15]  That's incredible.
[00:33:16]  Go find it and help me out, guys.
[00:33:17]  But they're freaking out over the criticism that they trafficked children.
[00:33:22]  Right, right.
[00:33:23]  And why?
[00:33:23]  Why is it that this criticism could be seen as leading to something worse and going down a dark path?
[00:33:28]  Well, that's how he started his tweet.
[00:33:29]  Jeremy Boyne, the God King, lowercase g, God King, which I'm not a fan of that title, of the Daily Wire.
[00:33:36]  He said, Today is a terrible day, is how he started his tweet.
[00:33:40]  Today is a terrible day for Jews in America.
[00:33:44]  And so then I retweeted it and said, in quotation marks, Today is a terrible day, in quotation marks.
[00:33:49]  And I said, Oh my goodness, what happened?
[00:33:51]  A terrorist attack?
[00:33:53]  Another shooting?
[00:33:56]  And I gave a few examples.
[00:33:57]  And then underneath it, I said, Nope, a podcast.
[00:34:01]  Today's a terrible day.
[00:34:03]  Yep.
[00:34:03]  Because what happened?
[00:34:04]  A podcast.
[00:34:06]  That.
[00:34:08]  There's two there because Candace Owens, at the same time, I remember we got out of the studio on Wednesday.
[00:34:13]  She was on Theo Vaughn's show and she brought up that typically a lot of pedophiles have found legal safe harbor in Israel.
[00:34:19]  True.
[00:34:19]  So it's that piece of information and then the Ian Carroll interview.
[00:34:22]  Right.
[00:34:22]  Right.
[00:34:23]  Which again are related to child sex crimes.
[00:34:26]  Right.
[00:34:26]  We're not talking about influencing elections.
[00:34:28]  We're not talking about memes.
[00:34:28]  We're not talking about money.
[00:34:29]  Like terrible, terrible things.
[00:34:32]  And these people were very careful to say a limited subgroup within this, not of course all American Jews, not of course all Israeli Jews, a small subset are doing terrible things.
[00:34:40]  And even to have that said, like, hey, Israeli intelligence, they were doing these terrible things.
[00:34:45]  Guys, we can't go down that path.
[00:34:46]  We can't do that.
[00:34:47]  This is a dark day.
[00:34:49]  We have to.
[00:34:50]  Like hundreds of thousands of children trafficked, whole governments set up, propped up, torn down, resulting in terrible devastation all across the world.
[00:35:01]  If you're going to stand there and your position is going to be, we can't talk about this because 80 years ago, some terrible things happened.
[00:35:06]  If you're going to do that, people are going to say, thanks for the warning, we're going right by you.
[00:35:11]  Two things happen one, you end up like England, where you can't investigate rape gangs.
[00:35:17]  Two, the people who might be inclined to be reasonable.
[00:35:23]  And not assume it's all Jews get radicalized by the fact that they can't even talk about it.
[00:35:29]  They can't find Google search results about it.
[00:35:32]  It does no good.
[00:35:32]  That's a great point, Michael.
[00:35:33]  It does no good to say the conversation cannot even happen.
[00:35:37]  You're absolutely right.
[00:35:38]  It actually makes it worse.
[00:35:39]  Because it will.
[00:35:40]  Guys, not having.
[00:35:41]  It is, actually.
[00:35:42]  Well, it's funny because one of the most frequent emails that I've received throughout these last nine weeks of this series that I did with Pastor Andrew Isker on Israel.
[00:35:54]  And Judaism and the whole Judeo Christian psyop and all these problems the political side, the covenantal, you know, biblical side, ethnically like, are these actually, are they ethnically the descendants of Abraham or even the descendants of the Jews at the time of Christ in the first century?
[00:36:10]  Spoiler, we actually don't think so.
[00:36:13]  You don't think so.
[00:36:14]  I don't think so.
[00:36:14]  I could be wrong.
[00:36:15]  There you go.
[00:36:16]  I could be wrong.
[00:36:18]  But that, you know, for Andrew and I, we don't think so.
[00:36:20]  And that's not to say that they don't have any, you know, any blood.
[00:36:24]  But we think that, you know, a lot of the first century.
[00:36:27]  Jews were destroyed in AD 70 with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, and then many other ones who got out of Dodge and actually physically survived and were able to repopulate.
[00:36:39]  Many of them did so because they listened to the words of Jesus when he foretold exactly what would happen not one stone of the temple left on another.
[00:36:46]  In Matthew 24, his Olivet Discourse, 40 years before AD 70, the destruction took place.
[00:36:51]  And so it was in large part the Jewish Christians who converted to Christ and Christianity who listened to Jesus and who survived.
[00:36:59]  And because they survived, and they survived because of trusting Jesus and his words and his prophecy and converted to Christianity, it's very likely that they probably had embraced more the apostolic teaching of neither Jew nor Gentile and were comfortable with intermarrying.
[00:37:18]  And through intermarriage, so Ashkenazi Jews today may, it's possible, there's not a lot of research on this.
[00:37:26]  They've found catacombs underneath Jerusalem that they think are 2,000 years old, and they've done like, DNA swabs and tried to match it up, you know, and like, okay, 87% match with the average Ashkenazi Jew in Israel today.
[00:37:44]  But then they matched it up with Christians in one certain geographic area in Palestine and found, oh, it's a 93% or 94% match.
[00:37:54]  And so they actually have more of this blood.
[00:37:55]  And so the point is, we did this series, this nine part series, you know, ethnically, what does this even mean?
[00:38:03]  You know, that They're ethnically Jewish.
[00:38:06]  You know, what does it mean covenantally?
[00:38:07]  What does it mean biblically?
[00:38:08]  What does it mean theologically?
[00:38:09]  What does it mean politically?
[00:38:10]  What does it mean nationally?

=== The Israel Palestine Match (05:31) ===

[00:38:11]  Right?
[00:38:12]  That's the problem when you say Jew.
[00:38:14]  Are you talking about Israel, the state, as a national entity?
[00:38:18]  Are you talking about the Jewish people ethnically?
[00:38:21]  And what does that even mean?
[00:38:22]  You know, and are you talking about Jews religiously?
[00:38:26]  You know, those who practice Judaism?
[00:38:27]  Are you like, there's real Jews, Christians?
[00:38:30]  Right.
[00:38:31]  God's actual chosen people, you know, those who by God, God's grace and put faith in Jesus Christ.
[00:38:37]  But here's the point.
[00:38:37]  We did that series, all this back to what you said, Michael.
[00:38:40]  We did that series and it's been coming out weekly.
[00:38:43]  And the most frequent email that I've received in terms of feedback to that series was actually guys to the right of me, to the right of me saying this actually helped me to pull back a little bit.
[00:38:55]  Right.
[00:38:56]  It actually helped me to pull back a little bit.
[00:38:58]  And why?
[00:38:59]  All this back to your point, the point that Michael made, just to remind the listener, because I've been rambling for the last five minutes.
[00:39:06]  But Michael said that when you say you're not allowed to go there and, you know, The Epstein files will never be released, and you can't look into this and you can't make any criticism of that.
[00:39:19]  And we're going to actually put forward bills that would make this kind of speech land you in jail or get you fired.
[00:39:26]  It's happening in like 25, 28 states in the United States.
[00:39:29]  Right.
[00:39:29]  Like your RFK Jr. is like, hey, I wanted you to get seed oils out of my food.
[00:39:33]  And he's like, best I can do is put you in jail for anti Semitism.
[00:39:36]  He came out like, anti Semitism is a public health risk.
[00:39:39]  Right.
[00:39:41]  What?
[00:39:44]  From right, you know, back in you know, in all the fast food restaurants, he's like, Yeah, you know what?
[00:39:50]  Best I can do is put you and here's the question: what do they have on them?
[00:39:53]  That's a great question.
[00:39:54]  Like, we don't know for sure, we're not claiming, yeah, for sure, they've got it over his head.
[00:39:58]  But see, that's the point: is the fact that you just had that thought, which and it's a valid thought is a perfectly valid thought.
[00:40:05]  Um, that's Michael's point.
[00:40:06]  That's that's the point all three of us are making: is um, when when that's the way that you react, um, it does not make people uh say, Oh, well, you know what?
[00:40:16]  Um I can criticize every nation on earth except this one because if I criticize them, I'll go to jail.
[00:40:24]  Right?
[00:40:25]  And the reaction, if you think the reaction is going to be, oh, well then, you know, I'm going to be very hinged and very reasonable and moderate on my position.
[00:40:34]  Like, you're an idiot if you think that that's going to be the response.
[00:40:37]  No, the response is, what are they hiding?
[00:40:39]  It must be even worse than I thought, blah, blah, blah.
[00:40:41]  And so when Andrew and I did, by just virtue of two pastors, Christian pastors, having this conversation, And not sugarcoating it and saying, no, no, no, no, Judeo Christian is a psyop and it's bad.
[00:40:54]  But also, disclaimer here's a statistic, here's a quote, here's a this, here's a that.
[00:41:02]  It actually helped a lot of guys who were further to our right say, okay, you know what, that's all I want.
[00:41:08]  I just wanted somebody to be willing to talk about it, somebody to give a little bit of validation, and stop telling me that I'm going to hell and that I'm a Nazi because I actually think that Israel might have some problems.
[00:41:21]  And by virtue of you guys being willing to talk about this, not willing to anathematize me and damn me to hell over my views, has actually made me step back.
[00:41:33]  I actually feel more comfortable now taking a more moderate position.
[00:41:37]  But when you do the opposite, like the rise of anti Semitism, oh, it's because guys like Candace Owens and it's because of guys like Joel Webb.
[00:41:47]  No, no, no.
[00:41:48]  The rise of anti Semitism is because Elon Musk bought Twitter.
[00:41:53]  And Speech is freer than it's been in decades.
[00:41:58]  It is freer, and people can read statistics and people can find information.
[00:42:04]  And everyone's telling them, don't look there.
[00:42:08]  Don't look there.
[00:42:10]  I think it's very simple.
[00:42:12]  It is the combination of everyone telling you that criticizing Israel is the worst moral thing you could possibly do, combined with Elon Musk buying Twitter and a bunch of this information being prevalent.
[00:42:25]  Let's show the graph that actually shows.
[00:42:27]  Support for Israel is the lowest it's been at in about two decades.
[00:42:30]  Yeah, Nate, let's do that.
[00:42:31]  Got to get a graph in.
[00:42:33]  So, this is a Gallup poll that's been tracking sentiment since 2001, is when they started.
[00:42:39]  And so, this is just a kind of snapshot.
[00:42:41]  This is in the Middle East.
[00:42:43]  And what you can notice is it's not as though just since October 7th and then Israel's retaliation, it's been going down from its peak in about 2018.
[00:42:52]  Support for, sympathies for Israel, they've declined to their lowest level in about two and a half decades.
[00:42:58]  Yeah.
[00:42:59]  Specifically in the Israel Palestine situation.
[00:43:00]  Yeah, with the Israel Palestine.
[00:43:01]  We are not just like this little microcosm and bubble.
[00:43:03]  Like, I.
[00:43:05]  I was red pilled on this in about 2017.
[00:43:07]  So I've been following this now for about eight years.
[00:43:09]  This stuff has never been talked about to the mainstream level that has been being talked about right now.
[00:43:13]  The phrase, nothing to see here, has convinced literally no one at any point in history.
[00:43:19]  So, all right, I think now's a good time to hit that super chat from Ben and then we'll hit our first commercial break.
[00:43:25]  So, Nate, if you could pull that up.
[00:43:27]  Ben, incredible.
[00:43:28]  Joel, you should read it.
[00:43:29]  Okay.
[00:43:30]  Ben Huffstedler, he gave us $300.
[00:43:32]  Ben, thank you so much.
[00:43:33]  That's incredibly generous.
[00:43:34]  He says this.
[00:43:36]  Half the post in parts, part one, two, and three.
[00:43:39]  Part one, we lost our church home this last Sunday.

=== KJV Versus Receptus Texts (13:32) ===

[00:43:43]  We are reformed and they are faithful, KJV, King James Version, the King Jimmy.
[00:43:49]  Wonderful people and faithful to the gospel.
[00:43:52]  There was a sermon, though, that was preached speaking about people who use other biblical translations being of the devil.
[00:44:00]  And part two, then the pastor prayed in the pulpit for anyone that uses those translations to never step foot behind the pulpit.
[00:44:10]  Of that church.
[00:44:11]  And then part three, he says, There are very few churches in our area.
[00:44:15]  We are actively working on relocating to Kentucky to be closer to our kind of people.
[00:44:21]  That's a good move.
[00:44:22]  Currently reside in Wyoming.
[00:44:24]  It's not the worst state.
[00:44:25]  But FYI, for your information, Wyoming is more Mormon even than Utah.
[00:44:32]  And then one more of his part two that got put down over here, part 2.1, he says, Guidance on what that conversation would look like.
[00:44:41]  I'm assuming he's saying if I confront my pastor and talk to him about this, guidance on that conversation would be greatly appreciated.
[00:44:48]  The area where we live is 98% Mormon.
[00:44:51]  So, again, he's emphasizing there are not a lot of churches around.
[00:44:55]  Go back down.
[00:44:56]  King James Version, I think he says, is a disease.
[00:45:01]  I think what he means is the strict KJV onlyism is a disease.
[00:45:06]  I grew up in a church like that.
[00:45:08]  Okay, Ben, again, thank you for generosity.
[00:45:10]  I'll try to make it quick.
[00:45:10]  This is what I would say.
[00:45:12]  Number one, there is a distinction theologically between KJV onlyism versus guys who hold to the TR, the Texas Receptus.
[00:45:21]  Meaning, it's the critical text versus the Texas Receptus.
[00:45:26]  Meaning, do you believe, right?
[00:45:30]  So the Holy Spirit inspired the writing of the Bible.
[00:45:33]  So the Bible is Holy Spirit inspired.
[00:45:34]  The theological argument for Texas Receptus is that the same Spirit who inspired the text also preserved it.
[00:45:43]  And so it's saying, okay, what text, and the Texas Receptus is just the received text.
[00:45:48]  So there's critical text versus received text.
[00:45:51]  The received text is the manuscripts that we had available for hundreds of years of Christendom for a very long time before we found other texts and were able to say, well, actually, you know what, these particular manuscripts might not be the most accurate.
[00:46:07]  There might be other manuscripts that we discovered later that could be more accurate than the Texas Receptus, the received text.
[00:46:15]  Text.
[00:46:15]  But the guys who are on the TR side of the theological debate, they would say a big part in a nutshell of their argument would just say it's Holy Spirit inspiration and Holy Spirit preservation.
[00:46:28]  So, the same spirit that inspired the writing of the text, he also preserved the text.
[00:46:32]  And you're talking about hundreds of years, centuries, where these critical, these other texts that have come in were not available.
[00:46:40]  But this one manuscript was, one set of manuscripts was.
[00:46:47]  And that's the received text, the Texas Receptus, this one set of manuscripts that was available before all these other ones were discovered and found.
[00:46:56]  That's the received text that was used to write the King James Version.
[00:47:00]  Right.
[00:47:01]  The King James Version is not the only version from the received text, the Texas Receptus.
[00:47:06]  You also have the Geneva Bible, which was written from that.
[00:47:10]  But the King James is certainly the most popular, especially at the time and also today.
[00:47:15]  And so the argument is just saying look, we talk about Christendom, we talk about a golden age of the church and all these kinds of things.
[00:47:22]  If we've ever had a golden age of the church, it probably was during these time periods.
[00:47:27]  And the Bible that they had, the Bible that built the Christian Empire of Great Britain and that built Uh, America and that built all like was for the large part.
[00:47:39]  Go ahead.
[00:47:39]  The Puritans did not like the King James, they did not use that one.
[00:47:43]  So, the Bible that they brought with them was called the Great Bible.
[00:47:46]  But what text did it come from?
[00:47:48]  It was still Texas Receptus.
[00:47:49]  So, the TR, yeah, but that's still helpful.
[00:47:51]  Yes, yes.
[00:47:52]  So, so different, like I said, different versions Geneva, uh, King James, and then the Great Bible, but all from the TR, the Texas Receptus.
[00:48:00]  Um, and that built I mean, you can argue that that was the text that built Christian empires like Great Britain and America.
[00:48:09]  And so, guys saying, like, look, if this other text is actually better, critical text in some of these newer manuscripts, then the Holy Spirit would have made sure that we didn't have a 500 or 700 or 1,000 year period with it not being available.
[00:48:27]  This other text is what the Holy Spirit chose to preserve for centuries, and it was sufficient for Christendom, for building Christendom.
[00:48:35]  That's the argument.
[00:48:36]  So, my point is this I've got guys on both sides of the aisle, friends.
[00:48:39]  Close runs.
[00:48:40]  So, if you're a TR guy, this is my whole point.
[00:48:42]  There's a theological distinction from being a King James onlyist versus a Texas Receptus appreciator.
[00:48:50]  If you're a TR guy and you say, Yeah, that received text, those manuscripts were preserved by the Holy Spirit for centuries where we did not have an alternative and they were sufficient for building Christendom.
[00:49:05]  If the King James was good enough for the reformers and it was good enough for this person and that person, Then it's good enough for me.
[00:49:13]  And that's my preferred text that I would like to use instead of a more modern text like the ESV or the NASB or the NIV or whatever.
[00:49:24]  That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold.
[00:49:27]  And I'm kind of partial to it.
[00:49:29]  I think it's, if I had to choose, I got.
[00:49:33]  Here's the deal it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
[00:49:36]  With a young, reformed, and restless movement, because of guys like John Piper and others who were all about the ESV, I've been using the ESV and preaching from the ESV for 10 years.
[00:49:47]  And so I'm just, I know the ESV.
[00:49:49]  I like most of the scripture that I've memorized, I memorize in the ESV.
[00:49:52]  And so it's, you know, so I still use the ESV a lot, but I'm trying to supplement with the KJV, even in my preaching and stuff like that, as much as I can.
[00:50:00]  But if I had to just say, you know, like right now, gum to the head, you know, you have to answer, yeah, I think the TR position makes sense.
[00:50:08]  I think it makes sense.
[00:50:09]  I'm a little bit partial to it.
[00:50:12]  But there's a difference in saying I'm a TR guy, but if somebody preaches from the ESV, I still recognize that as being the Word of God.
[00:50:21]  There are others, though, who would say, not just the TR, they would say, Geneva doesn't count, Great Bible doesn't count, it must, in KGV doesn't count, New King James Version, it's got to be the King Jimmy.
[00:50:34]  And anything else besides the King Jimmy is not even the Bible.
[00:50:39]  It sounds like Ben's pastor's position.
[00:50:41]  It sounds like your pastor's, and I'm going to pray against those people.
[00:50:45]  My parents had supporting churches that when we went to visit them, we had to have a King James Bible because if they found out, That was not, we were using the NKJV actually, like for family devotions and whatnot.
[00:50:56]  If they had found out, which comes from the TR, yes, but if they had found out that we were not adhering to the King James, they would have cut all financial support by parents as missionaries, yeah.
[00:51:06]  So, and it sounds like that's where Ben's pastor is at.
[00:51:08]  So, I that's my whole point is just I wanted to give a little bit of nuance.
[00:51:12]  Uh, guys who are TR respecters, um, I think are good guys, especially if they say, Look, we think this is superior, it's better.
[00:51:19]  Uh, the fact that this is what was preserved for hundreds of years and it built Christendom, that's a pretty strong argument, it means something.
[00:51:26]  You could even argue confessionally.
[00:51:27]  Like I've heard guys make the confessional argument, both from the 1689 as well as the Westminster on the doctrine of the word on that particular chapter.
[00:51:35]  It cites, both confessions cite multiple reasons, factors for how we know, how we can affirm that the word of God is in fact the word of God.
[00:51:46]  Now, the highest reason is the Holy Spirit bearing witness in our hearts.
[00:51:51]  It's the Holy Spirit testifying within us for the Christian, the one who's regenerate.
[00:51:56]  The Holy Spirit bears witness that this is in fact the word of God.
[00:51:59]  But it also then cites lesser reasons, but there's still reasons.
[00:52:02]  And one of them is the majesty of its style.
[00:52:06]  Both the 1689, and this was compelling for me when I was looking into this whole debate years ago, but both the 1689 and the Westminster cite one of the reasons that we know that the Word of God is the Word of God is the majesty of its style.
[00:52:19]  Well, what version of the Bible at the time of the writing of these confessions were they probably referencing?
[00:52:25]  Well, the people that were reading that message were probably reading the Latin, to be honest.
[00:52:30]  The Vulgate, sure.
[00:52:31]  Yes.
[00:52:31]  That's probably true.
[00:52:33]  But.
[00:52:34]  Which also would be the TR with some papal corruptions within it.
[00:52:38]  They literally changed in repentance to do penance in one particular verse of the Bible.
[00:52:43]  So it would have had corruptions, a corrupted TR, but it still would have been a variation of the TR, not critical text, but the received text.
[00:52:52]  But my point is, even a high school football team in flyover country in some conservative podunk town that's with their football coaches, Christian, God bless them, and they recite the Lord's Prayer on Friday nights before.
[00:53:08]  Going out on the field.
[00:53:09]  When they recite, when that Texas football team recites the Lord's Prayer on Friday night before going out on the field for their big game, they don't use the message.
[00:53:19]  They're not quoting Eugene Peterson, right?
[00:53:24]  It's our Father who art in heaven.
[00:53:27]  Hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done.
[00:53:33]  Because it's the majesty of the style.
[00:53:36]  And so, all that being said, I think there's a difference between a TR guy.
[00:53:40]  I think he has good reasons for the position that he holds, but still affirming these other versions of scripture that come from the critical text rather than the received text are still legitimate, but I believe inferior.
[00:53:51]  Inferior is different than saying not the Bible.
[00:53:55]  But a guy who is more than TR, he wouldn't even understand the theological arguments that I just made.
[00:54:00]  He knows nothing about the confessions, the majesty of his style.
[00:54:04]  He's just the King James is the Bible, and everything else is a perversion, and it's not even the Word of God.
[00:54:09]  It's not just less accurate, but it's literally not the Word of God.
[00:54:13]  I would just say at that level, it's not even because you could use the King James, like you could go to that church and just use the King James the rest of your life and be fine because it is a great version of the Bible.
[00:54:24]  But it's more so the attitude of that minister.
[00:54:27]  And I would say one part of that attitude is it is a bit cultish, it is a bit arrogant.
[00:54:34]  Also, besides just the moral side of the character side, that's a bit of an arrogant position to take.
[00:54:42]  And so I'd have some red flags about his character.
[00:54:44]  There's also the intellectual side.
[00:54:46]  It's uh, that's dumb.
[00:54:47]  Your pastor, uh, is probably a little bit dumb, and I do think that it's important, um, for pastors.
[00:54:56]  Um, not every pastor is going to be a genius, lord knows I'm not.
[00:55:00]  Um, but I don't think that it's helpful, uh, if the pastor of a church is a full deviation lower than the average congregant in terms of his intelligence, pastors, um, should be.
[00:55:17]  Relatively speaking, they should be intelligent in order for the average congregant to actually benefit from their teaching, right?
[00:55:28]  I mean, it just, I think that makes sense, right?
[00:55:30]  If you have a congregation, the average IQ is 100, you know, it probably wouldn't be in the congregation's best interest to pick the guy in the room who has the lowest IQ and say, We would all like for you to publicly speak to us weekly for 30 to 60 minutes.
[00:55:45]  What, like, that's just, I think that's silly.
[00:55:48]  It's like, well, that's not about intellect, it's about the spirit of God.
[00:55:50]  Yeah, and I'm just saying, Why not both?
[00:55:52]  Right.
[00:55:53]  Why not both?
[00:55:55]  That he loves the Lord, he has zeal for God, that he's anointed by the Holy Spirit, gifted for the task, and he's intelligent.
[00:56:04]  And so I just think that the strict King James only position where anything else is not the Bible and you're praying against him, it reflects two things.
[00:56:15]  At the character level, I think bad character, arrogance.
[00:56:19]  At the intellectual level, the only people I know who hold that position, I'm not trying to be rude.
[00:56:26]  But I'll just say they all, everyone that I've ever met who holds that position, I've never been impressed.
[00:56:34]  I've never met a guy who holds that position.
[00:56:35]  I'm like, man, you are a Titan intellect.
[00:56:38]  And I think, just in a general sense, you'd like to have a pastor who is at least equally your peer intellectually or your intellectual superior because he's someone that you want to learn from.
[00:56:51]  You'd like for him to at least be in the ballpark.
[00:56:53]  So, those would be good reasons to maybe consider.
[00:56:56]  The last thing I'll say, though, those are good reasons to consider.
[00:57:00]  A conversation, I would not immediately leave, especially Ben said it sounds like he's looking to move to Kentucky.
[00:57:06]  Right, you're a couple months out, there's something to be said for Lord.
[00:57:09]  There's not a lot of good churches in the area, amen.
[00:57:12]  And he said they're good people, no bridges, right?

=== Moving Manufacturing Businesses (02:49) ===

[00:57:15]  Yep, yep, don't end badly.
[00:57:17]  There's so many, don't leave badly.
[00:57:18]  I've seen so many people who were moving, anyways, yep, and not just with my church, but other friends who are ministers.
[00:57:25]  It's like this person, um, was everyone knew he was military or he was whatever, and he was going to be moving.
[00:57:32]  Geographically, you know, forced to leave the church in six months, but he got angry, you know, and formally left the church two months before he moved.
[00:57:43]  That's just a foolish decision.
[00:57:45]  So, especially if you're moving anyways, Wes and Michael are absolutely right.
[00:57:49]  Hang in there.
[00:57:49]  Yep.
[00:57:50]  Hang in there.
[00:57:50]  And if it comes to the point, we can't make this move.
[00:57:53]  So it doesn't sound like it's a done deal.
[00:57:54]  The house is signed, but we're not going to be able to make this move to Kentucky in the reasonable future.
[00:57:59]  We are here.
[00:58:00]  That's when you do say, okay, now we have to have the conversation.
[00:58:03]  We got to go, got to find a good Mormon church.
[00:58:05]  Six months.
[00:58:06]  No, don't do that.
[00:58:07]  All right.
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=== Epstein Intelligence Network (04:06) ===

[01:00:04]  So the idea in the Joe Rogan podcast, and it's all over the news Epstein, Epstein files, Epstein's involvement.
[01:00:13]  Was he a CIA asset?
[01:00:14]  Was he a Mossad asset?
[01:00:16]  All of those questions.
[01:00:18]  One of the things that is, I think, I guess, that we're trying to get across here probably not news to any of you all who are regular listeners, but the idea that Jeffrey Epstein was not just like a lone wolf predator.
[01:00:33]  Likely, I think the record, the historical record, will show that his operation functioned as an intelligence blackmail network.
[01:00:43]  And for whoever was controlling him, it was leverage.
[01:00:47]  To control a lot of American elites, which has happened in the US before.
[01:00:53]  In the 80s, it happened with the Franklin situation where they had a Republican, a black Republican, who was hosting sex parties and then using that, even with underage children, and then using that as blackmail.
[01:01:07]  So this sort of play has been run before.
[01:01:11]  It's not new.
[01:01:12]  But the question is who was Epstein connected with?
[01:01:15]  So we're going to actually jump over to a martyr made clip that provides a little bit of.
[01:01:20]  Context, and then we're going to jump into what Ian Carroll and Joe Rogan talked about with them.
[01:01:24]  This is from 2022.
[01:01:25]  Yeah, the martyr.
[01:01:26]  This is not stuff that's come out since Trump has gotten office.
[01:01:29]  This is from 2022.
[01:01:30]  You can roll it.
[01:01:31]  And said that Robert Maxwell had, quote, done more for the state of Israel than can today be said, end quote.
[01:01:40]  And his body was buried in the most prestigious plot in Jerusalem on the Mount of Olives facing the Western Wall.
[01:01:50]  So, you have this guy, Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:01:55]  His closest friend, girlfriend, procurer of young girls, co abuser of young girls, is the favorite daughter of Robert Maxwell, a lifelong, highly placed Israeli intelligence agent.
[01:02:09]  Epstein's patron is Les Wexner, a billionaire with ties to Israeli intelligence through the Mega Group and a lot more further involvement with other Zionist causes.
[01:02:19]  And Wexner, for reasons nobody can understand, turns his entire operation over to Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:02:27]  Epstein, according to several people who knew him back in the 1990s, used to claim to be working with intelligence agencies.
[01:02:36]  The U.S. attorney who oversaw his initial case that put him in jail.
[01:02:42]  Which included dozens of girls claiming that he had molested them, cut him a sweetheart deal, guaranteeing there would be no federal prosecution of his crimes for him or anybody who was involved, even if those people weren't named yet and it came out later.
[01:02:59]  Cut him that sweetheart deal and is on the record saying that he did it because he was told by his bosses that Epstein belonged to intelligence.
[01:03:08]  Epstein was closely connected with Ehud Barak, former head of Israeli military intelligence.
[01:03:14]  He dispensed money to Barack through the Wexner Foundation and later funded a business Barack set up with other former Israeli intel officers.
[01:03:24]  Epstein got his first job teaching math at an elite high school from a former OSS agent and was later arrested and committed suicide under the watch of that guy's son, Bill Barr, who also worked for the CIA.
[01:03:40]  Early on, he had associations with international arms brokers like Douglas Leese and Adnan Khashoggi.
[01:03:48]  Which reminds me, I haven't even mentioned the fake Austrian passport from the 1980s that had Epstein under a false name as a Saudi citizen, which was found in his safe along with many of the thousands of images of underage girls.
[01:04:03]  Wes clipped that one.
[01:04:04]  Wes, I love how you just dropped that clip to end right at the end there with wait, the fake passport.

=== Trump's Early Connections (09:45) ===

[01:04:11]  It's like, but wait, there's more.
[01:04:12]  This is at the end of a five hour episode.
[01:04:15]  Someone, Jeremiah, mentioned it.
[01:04:17]  It's a brutal listen, but it's incredible because, and we'll move on quickly.
[01:04:21]  But what he's describing is in all of these countries, at the high levels, the elites trafficked children, abused, even murdered in many cases.
[01:04:31]  Literally, that was the sport, murder.
[01:04:34]  And then we have Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:04:36]  He traveled with Bill Clinton like 50 times, the president of the United States, the one whose wife almost beat Trump in 2016.
[01:04:45]  So there's this idea, and it's what would be wanted to be believed.
[01:04:49]  There's this guy, Jeffrey Epstein, man, he was a pedophile.
[01:04:51]  And even his girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, was in on it.
[01:04:55]  No, This man had decades and billions of dollars doing something way bigger than himself.
[01:05:02]  And the point is 2022, we've known this.
[01:05:07]  This is on Apple Podcasts.
[01:05:08]  This is now on Joe Rogan.
[01:05:10]  And that fact needs to make you angry.
[01:05:13]  There are hundreds of families in Florida where he had a lot of his estate and did a lot of this.
[01:05:17]  Their kids went missing, their kids died.
[01:05:20]  And the post war consensus that runs cover the first time he gets arrested.
[01:05:24]  Nope, cover for him.
[01:05:25]  Well, he's Israeli intelligence.
[01:05:26]  Why can't we question Israeli intelligence operations?
[01:05:30]  Trace it all the way back post war consensus.
[01:05:32]  Real family.
[01:05:33]  I know we've talked about it.
[01:05:34]  Real children.
[01:05:34]  But we have new listeners every single week.
[01:05:36]  When you say post war consensus, what you're saying is that it's the whole.
[01:05:41]  What is the post war consensus?
[01:05:42]  It's everything that I don't like is Hitler.
[01:05:44]  What is the post war consensus?
[01:05:47]  It's the never again sentiment.
[01:05:49]  It's if we criticize Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:05:53]  And recognize that it's more than just him as an individual, but that he was standing in as representative, as Israeli intelligence with strong connections to our own American elite leaders and politicians, but also Israeli politicians, and that it's beyond just him as an individual.
[01:06:09]  It's the same kind of strategy, honestly.
[01:06:11]  It's similar to what they did with Biden, right?
[01:06:14]  All of a sudden, the Trump and Biden debate happens, and everybody just starts feigning ignorance.
[01:06:20]  They're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe that Biden.
[01:06:24]  I had no clue that Biden had dementia.
[01:06:25]  It's like everyone knew he had dementia.
[01:06:27]  We've been saying it in the primaries in 2020.
[01:06:31]  Everyone knew.
[01:06:32]  And it's like, oh, I had, like, who's the guy?
[01:06:34]  There's some guy who literally talked about how he was sharp as a tech and how it was a conspiracy theory.
[01:06:38]  And now he's writing a book about how people covered up Biden's dementia.
[01:06:44]  You covered up Biden's dementia.
[01:06:46]  But here's my point when all of a sudden, you know, the winds shifted and there was no longer public sentiment and favoritism for Biden, they couldn't.
[01:06:55]  They couldn't manufacture it anymore because it just became too obvious and plain for all to see.
[01:07:00]  Then what did they do?
[01:07:01]  They said, you know what?
[01:07:02]  And this is the nail in the coffin that reveals that the Democrats as a whole have all been corrupt and in lockstep together, using Biden as Bernie's weekend, weekend at Bernie's in the White House for the last three years.
[01:07:19]  No, they didn't do that.
[01:07:20]  They all said, oh my goodness, I can't believe that one guy has been.
[01:07:26]  Fooling us, and that there's a problem with him, but all of us are innocent.
[01:07:30]  And it's the same thing.
[01:07:31]  That's what they want to do.
[01:07:32]  They want to say, Oh my goodness, I can't believe that one guy, Jeffrey Epstein, was a pedophile.
[01:07:37]  Yep.
[01:07:38]  On his own island, 100 girls.
[01:07:40]  No, by virtue of his position and his connections and his money and his funding.
[01:07:44]  And his funding.
[01:07:45]  And like, no, no, no.
[01:07:46]  Jeffrey Epstein does not.
[01:07:48]  There's no scenario where he stands alone.
[01:07:51]  Right.
[01:07:51]  The reason he had his connections.
[01:07:52]  He's not talking about who he indicts.
[01:07:54]  Was his mentor, Les Wexner, a Russian Jewish man.
[01:07:58]  Who was part of the foundational group that founded what was called the Mega Group?
[01:08:01]  And the Mega Group was literally a conglomerate of billionaires and business owners, all with Jewish influence.
[01:08:07]  And that's how Epstein got the connections he did.
[01:08:10]  That's how he got introduced.
[01:08:11]  Les Wexner signed over to him power of attorney for his estate for Victoria's Secret.
[01:08:17]  So Les Wexner bought Victoria's Secret early on.
[01:08:19]  That's not great.
[01:08:20]  Literally signed over power of attorney.
[01:08:22]  Epstein used that actually to abuse different women.
[01:08:25]  And power of attorney allows him to make decisions for the company without having to have Les Wexler's.
[01:08:31]  Exactly.
[01:08:31]  So, what it does is it allows Wexler to plead ignorance, to claim ignorance while.
[01:08:37]  Joel's not signing power of attorney for right response over to me.
[01:08:39]  Let's just say I am.
[01:08:41]  Well, it's interesting because, and I've said this on the podcast before, but it bears repeating here.
[01:08:48]  The Democrats were upset that Trump ran as a Republican.
[01:08:52]  He had been a lifelong kind of New York Democrat.
[01:08:55]  He kind of turned on them and ran as a Republican in 2016.
[01:08:59]  However, the vitriol against him turned up to an 11.
[01:09:04]  When he started announcing that he was going to be going after child trafficking rings.
[01:09:09]  Before that, it had just been, you know, basic politics.
[01:09:13]  But I vividly remember he came out and he just said, There's all this child trafficking stuff going on.
[01:09:19]  We've got to shut this down.
[01:09:20]  Children are missing.
[01:09:21]  And he shut down several of them.
[01:09:23]  And it was almost the next day that the media and the hatred against him moved from just political animosity to real vitriol, real hatred.
[01:09:36]  And I, I don't know.
[01:09:38]  Someone said in the comment Trump was friends with Epstein.
[01:09:42]  I don't know that they were friends.
[01:09:43]  There are pictures of them together.
[01:09:44]  Yep.
[01:09:45]  The reason I don't think that Trump, by the way, for the record, if Trump is on the Epstein list and can be proven to have been involved in that, then we are going to condemn him as much as we would condemn anyone else.
[01:09:55]  Anyone else, yep.
[01:09:55]  But you think if they had that on Trump, they wouldn't have run that?
[01:10:00]  Well, if the only reason they wouldn't is if it, you know, it's like a bomb that like it takes him out, maybe.
[01:10:07]  But at that point, they had all the media, they had, I mean, they could have spun that and always.
[01:10:12]  They were both socialites in New York City in the late 90s, yep.
[01:10:15]  And it's well known about Donald Trump, and this is terrible.
[01:10:18]  He liked.
[01:10:18]  Not young girls has an underage, but he loved some models.
[01:10:22]  He was a playboy.
[01:10:23]  That's a terrible, abhorrent lifestyle.
[01:10:25]  They had a falling out, it seems like about 2004.
[01:10:27]  So they were friends, they'd go to each other's mansions or what have you.
[01:10:30]  But about at this point, 2004 is 21 years ago.
[01:10:33]  About 21 years ago, it seems like there was a split.
[01:10:36]  And rumors are it was because Trump wanted nothing to do with it.
[01:10:40]  Nothing to do with the stuff that Epstein was soliciting and offering and all of that.
[01:10:44]  So we acknowledge the pictures are out there.
[01:10:46]  It's true, they were friends, they ran in the same circles, but they didn't have a fallout.
[01:10:49]  And it was not three months before he ran for president.
[01:10:51]  It was 21 years ago from today.
[01:10:53]  Yeah, that's a good point.
[01:10:54]  All right.
[01:10:54]  So, on the Joe Rogan episode, Ian Carroll gets into this question of Epstein.
[01:10:59]  So, Nate, let's go ahead and run that clip in relation to the martyr mate.
[01:11:03]  All right.
[01:11:03]  We've got over a thousand people that are currently watching, and we have 80 likes.
[01:11:09]  What in the world?
[01:11:10]  Guys, get it together.
[01:11:11]  Some of that is X, which doesn't take it the same way, but if you're watching on YouTube, give a thumbs up, like the video, and share the video.
[01:11:17]  Like the video, share the video.
[01:11:19]  If you're on X, same thing, share it, retweet it, comment, help us get it out.
[01:11:24]  Okay.
[01:11:24]  What do we think about that clip?
[01:11:27]  I think that, well, personally, I don't think we're ever going to see the Epstein list.
[01:11:31]  I don't think so.
[01:11:32]  It's more valuable.
[01:11:33]  I don't know if it even exists.
[01:11:34]  I mean, we'll see it like with, you know, like Thomas Jefferson's version of the Bible, you know, like half of it's cut out.
[01:11:41]  I'm not even convinced it exists.
[01:11:43]  I think the idea of the Epstein list is a better political tool for manipulating people who think that they're on that list than any tool that they could possibly have.
[01:11:54]  I think the Trump administration over promised.
[01:11:56]  We were talking about this in the group chat earlier today, but like, Like, what's why now the slow rollout?
[01:12:01]  And it's easy, one thing on the campaign trail, right?
[01:12:03]  You're just throwing everything against the wall.
[01:12:06]  I'll give you all a million dollars.
[01:12:07]  You say, hey, we'll declassify with this side or the other.
[01:12:10]  You get into it, and you're like, holy cow, if all of this comes out, this allyship that we have, that the whole world is witness to, and that a certain country is going to be very mad if it falls apart.
[01:12:23]  If we publish this list and all of this is laid out and it's clear how interconnected this all was, where even possibly he was funded.
[01:12:30]  Ghislaine Maxwell, his girlfriend, Robert Maxwell, was Mossad, her father.
[01:12:35]  If that comes out, that endangers it.
[01:12:37]  And so I think Trump, Pam Bondi, as the Attorney General, Kash Patel, like, shoot, we promised this, but I don't know how we get this out without it either, again, being 95% redacted, which the people don't like, or if it's unredacted or less censored, it'll destroy our relationship with Israel.
[01:12:54]  Imagine that best case scenario, not for us, but in the political calculus, imagine that best case scenario is that the CIA was behind it.
[01:13:03]  Right?
[01:13:04]  That would be the best because if it was Israeli intelligence from Assad, the funding coming through Les Wexler, like you said, Wes, that will completely undo the political trajectory that the U.S. has been on, at least with the Middle East.
[01:13:23]  It would just uproot that and tear that plant out of the ground.
[01:13:27]  Let's play clip one because that talks about how getting into these intelligence agencies, you guys should know how they operate.
[01:13:33]  A lot of dark power and dark money.
[01:13:34]  So let's play clip one, Nate.
[01:13:35]  Nate, this is the one, if you need to know, that starts with.
[01:13:41]  It became this thing with multinational corporations.
[01:13:43]  Saying we're multinational corporations.
[01:13:46]  He's looking for it.
[01:13:48]  We're throwing Nate a curveball right now.
[01:13:49]  Nate is looking for it.
[01:13:51]  Okay, he's got it.
[01:13:51]  Here we go.
[01:13:53]  Right there.
[01:13:54]  That's what I was talking about at the beginning of the episode.

=== Common Human Sin (11:42) ===

[01:13:56]  Some of you are tuning in right now, so maybe you didn't see that part, but I think that's vital as Christians that we understand this because there's a very clear biblical and theological principle here.
[01:14:07]  Notice he says, you know, well, the bankers and politicians and crime syndicates and, you know, all these different parties.
[01:14:16]  He says, but it's not some formal Jewish cabal.
[01:14:19]  It's not that they're all getting in a back room with the lights turned down, you know, and they're twisting their, you know, their evil mustaches and twiddling their fingers.
[01:14:28]  Whoa, ha, ha, ha, ha.
[01:14:30]  He says, no, their interests align.
[01:14:32]  And that right there, Ian Carroll is not a Christian.
[01:14:35]  And so, you know, he's not going to cite the scripture, but that's actually a biblical principle.
[01:14:39]  That's exactly what I was talking about, where Peter, inspired by the Holy Spirit, he talks about sin which is common to man, right?
[01:14:46]  So, evil.
[01:14:49]  Entities, multiple entities that are not necessarily formally in an alliance, not necessarily formally partnered, but informally they are working towards the same aim because they all stand to benefit and they all have the same internal desire towards something that is morally reprehensible.
[01:15:09]  Well, what is that in theological biblical terms?
[01:15:11]  That's called sin, which is common to man.
[01:15:15]  That's what Peter says.
[01:15:17]  There is sin which is common to man.
[01:15:20]  Romans 1 talks about how there is a progression of sin, and eventually, you know, at later stages of sin progressed, and this can happen at an individual level, this can also happen at a societal level.
[01:15:34]  But there are later stages within the progression of sin where you have individuals, the phrase is used in Romans chapter 1, it says, inventors of evil.
[01:15:44]  So there are various, I would argue, various individuals, like a Jeffrey Dahmer, or there are certain Groups of individuals, peoples in various places and periods of time that were particularly malevolent, like the Ninevites.
[01:16:05]  When the king repents at the preaching of Jonah and calls the whole nation, Nineveh was one of the five capital cities of the Assyrians, and he calls the whole city to repentance, the only sin in particular that's named specifically is the violence in your hands.
[01:16:23]  And the Ninevites, archaeologists have discovered that.
[01:16:26]  You know, that they would fillet their victims, and as far as we know, alive even, brutal forms of torture, filleting their victims and different peoples that they conquered alive, skinning them, and then hanging their skin on the outer walls that surrounded and fortified their cities as a sign of dominance and to strike fear into any of their opponents who would seek to rise up against them, to dissuade them from that ambition.
[01:16:54]  And so I would argue the Ninevites or the Assyrians at that particular time.
[01:16:58]  Particular people in a particular place at a particular time that they corporately at a societal level had in this progression of sin had progressed to the point of being particularly sinful or uniquely sinful and and even innovating unique forms and degrees of sin that is not common to all people in all places in all times.
[01:17:23]  So there are particular peoples and people, peoples and individuals, people.
[01:17:29]  That in various places and in various times do ascend to higher degrees or even what is at least somewhat novel categories of sin throughout history.
[01:17:45]  That does happen.
[01:17:47]  But that's unusual.
[01:17:50]  That's why we would look at certain peoples and say the Mongols, you know, or this person or that were uniquely sinister, uniquely evil.
[01:18:01]  You know, they're committing sins that.
[01:18:03]  You know, everyone's a sinner, but this man, this is too far, this is just absurd, or I can't believe that so and so did this, or this people did that.
[01:18:13]  That does happen, but what makes it absurd, what makes it unique, is that it does not happen often.
[01:18:18]  It's unusual.
[01:18:20]  But Peter uses the language of sin which is common to man.
[01:18:23]  And what Ian Carroll, I believe, what he's describing, he doesn't have the theological framework for it or the vernacular, but what he's describing is the principle that is rooted in Scripture that there is sin which is common to man.
[01:18:35]  And so You know, that's one of the noticers, for lack of a better word, you know, one of the pushback that they often receive from guys who are like, oh, this is anti Semitism, this is hateful, the hate speech, this is racism, this is whatever.
[01:18:53]  They'll say, like, well, you're giving yourself over to unproven conspiracies of, for instance, things such as a Jewish cabal.
[01:19:04]  And I think one of the great arguments, and this is one of the reasons, is back.
[01:19:07]  To the first segment of the episode, in terms of not just what was said in this interview with Joe Rogan and Ian Carroll, but in terms of how it was said and some of the strategies and tactics that we can employ as Christians so that we can be heard by a larger audience and be more compelling and more persuasive, so that we can obey the scripture and take no part in deeds that are done in darkness, but rather not just avoid them, but expose them.
[01:19:31]  Well, one of the ways to expose successfully deeds that are done in darkness is by being persuasive, by being.
[01:19:39]  Compelling and one of the ways to be compelling and persuasive to where you can't easily be swatted down or dismissed is by avoiding grandiose claims, hyperbolic language that can easily be disproven.
[01:19:56]  Some kind of widespread secret Jewish cabal is difficult to prove, but saying, you know what, there doesn't require some Jewish cabal because there are sins which are common.
[01:20:10]  To man, meaning that everybody doesn't have to formally get in a room three times a year and perform rituals.
[01:20:18]  And for the record, we actually think some of those things do happen and not necessarily exclusive to the past, at least.
[01:20:24]  Have happened in the past and not necessarily exclusive to Israel.
[01:20:27]  But there have been evil entities and formal alliances and groups, cults that get together in the woods with a full moon and do this blood ritual.
[01:20:39]  Those things have happened.
[01:20:40]  So we're not saying it never has happened and it couldn't happen again.
[01:20:44]  But what we are saying is that that's not necessary to prove the point.
[01:20:49]  The point is that you can, because sin is common to man, we're not talking about filleting people alive.
[01:20:56]  We're talking about sexual perversion, that is a common sin, and financial greed, it's a common sin.
[01:21:06]  Those two alone, girls and gold, perversion and greed, those are sins which are common to every man.
[01:21:16]  But the reality is that every man doesn't have the same means by his station in life.
[01:21:21]  Not every man is a billionaire.
[01:21:22]  Not every man is a prime minister.
[01:21:25]  Not every man is a part of some kind of three letter agency with access to this and access to that and ability to cover his trail.
[01:21:35]  So, what we're saying is these are sins which are common to man, and men of means will be able to have those same temptations that all of us have, but achieve them in much more higher degree, much more widespread ways.
[01:21:53]  And you don't have to pick up the phone and all meet in a secret underground lair.
[01:21:58]  In order to make sure that you're on the same page, like, hey, I just want to make sure that you're greedy.
[01:22:02]  I'm greedy and I want to make sure you're greedy too.
[01:22:04]  You don't have to make that phone call.
[01:22:06]  You can just bank on it.
[01:22:08]  No pun intended, but you can bank on greed.
[01:22:12]  You absolutely can.
[01:22:13]  Of course you can.
[01:22:14]  You can bank on perversion.
[01:22:16]  You can bank on this.
[01:22:17]  You can bank on that.
[01:22:18]  And so, unregenerate men, unbelievers, especially unbelievers from a nation that's known in terms of the religion, not everybody practices it, but for those who do.
[01:22:30]  Is Judaism, which is specifically known as rejecting Christ and believing not only that he wasn't God, he's a prophet, but he's not a deity, no, but that he was a blasphemer, he was a liar, and that he's not just lacking in deity, but that he's terrible.
[01:22:49]  Judaism has a very, very negative view of Christ.
[01:22:52]  And so if we're talking about a nation that has been shaped by a religion that's not just something other than Jesus, but something that is anti Jesus.
[01:23:03]  Against Jesus, anti Christ.
[01:23:05]  If you're talking about that nation that's been shaped by that religion, and then just because they're human beings that are fallen in Adam, like all of us, apart from grace in Christ, and have sin, which is common to man, and if you're talking about not every individual Jewish person, he gave that disclaimer and covered his bases in an earlier clip that we showed, but particularly the elites, those who have means, then yes, of course, like none of this is preposterous,
[01:23:33]  none of this is far fetched, none of this is impossible.
[01:23:37]  Yeah, all of that is perfectly reasonable.
[01:23:41]  And when you frame it with that kind of language, not only is it theologically accurate because you can quote scripture, but it also is, I think, the morally superior way to frame the argument because it's biblically faithful, but it's also the strategically superior way to frame the argument.
[01:23:59]  And by framing it like this, that's what will allow you to have these kinds of conversations that need to happen because if there is real evil, it really does need to be exposed.
[01:24:10]  We have a biblical mandate to do so.
[01:24:12]  Precisely that, but it'll allow you to have those conversations instead of with 14 people, you know, on some secret chat.
[01:24:19]  It'll allow you to have that conversation with 14 million people on Joe Rogan.
[01:24:25]  And I think that that matters.
[01:24:27]  I don't just think that Ian got the call, not the shut it down call, but the call from Joe Rogan.
[01:24:34]  I don't think he got that call because Joe Rogan is bought and paid for, and Ian is bought and paid for, and it's just a classic case of controlled opposition.
[01:24:43]  I think he got the call.
[01:24:45]  Because he has proven a short trajectory.
[01:24:49]  He's only been doing this by his own admission for a while, but for the time that he has been doing this in the spotlight with a fairly large following, he has been doing it in a way that is not unhinged.
[01:25:01]  He's been giving the disclaimers, not every single Jewish person, or I don't necessarily think it requires a Jewish cabal, right?
[01:25:08]  It's just aligned interest, right?
[01:25:10]  Or we would say sin, which is common to man, or the disclaimer of I could be wrong, or you look into it for yourself.
[01:25:18]  That.
[01:25:19]  We need, as Christians, we need to embody that language because, one, I think it's faithful to scripture.
[01:25:24]  So, I think it's morally superior too because it's compelling and it is strategically superior so that we can be compelling to more people and not just, you know, 14 people in an echo chamber who already think the same things that we think.

=== Dominion Over Finances (02:30) ===

[01:25:39]  So, I wanted to point that out.
[01:25:40]  Yeah.
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[01:28:01]  We got the call, so not really, but so Joe Rogan experienced that content when it's hosted.
[01:28:08]  He actually does copyright strike it.

=== Revival And Modern Times (14:47) ===

[01:28:10]  This is something that's come up before.
[01:28:12]  So we tried playing with other streamers.
[01:28:13]  And as you guys experience, at least on the YouTube side of things, it basically shut it down, cooled it off for a couple minutes.
[01:28:20]  So we can't play any more clips.
[01:28:21]  I would recommend going to watch it.
[01:28:23]  It's, you know, two hours, 45 minutes.
[01:28:25]  Language warning.
[01:28:26]  Language warning, not with kids in the car.
[01:28:29]  So we'll hit the content from the last two clips that we had and hit the super chats.
[01:28:32]  Alex Fick put up a great, great short comment here.
[01:28:35]  He donated $9.99.
[01:28:36]  Thank you, Alex.
[01:28:37]  And he said, getting back to Joel, what you talked about, different people, are they necessarily all in league, you know, around a table?
[01:28:43]  He said, different people who are separated never communicate, coming to the same ideas and committing terrible things is also evidence of the demonic at play.
[01:28:50]  That's a great point.
[01:28:51]  And what's profound is Les Wexner, literally, this is a, I think it was a New Yorker profile article.
[01:28:57]  He's like, Yeah, I'm followed around by this Jewish demon that drives me to greed.
[01:29:01]  He's like, It came to me later in life.
[01:29:03]  It's demonic.
[01:29:04]  I know it.
[01:29:04]  I feel it inhabiting me.
[01:29:06]  And it drives me to be greedy, greedy, greedy.
[01:29:08]  His own words, freely admitted, was totally like, Yep, this is a.
[01:29:13]  This is what follows me around.
[01:29:15]  This is what motivates me.
[01:29:16]  This is a guy who bought it was Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie and Fitch, and then Bed Bath and Body Works, made them into what they were, gave Epstein his millions, built the mega group that actually connected a lot of these Jewish and Zionist motivated groups.
[01:29:30]  So that's a great question.
[01:29:31]  Often the demonic is at play too.
[01:29:33]  Physically, the people may not be together, but spiritually.
[01:29:37]  Right, yeah, you don't need to.
[01:29:40]  One, you just have the fallen sin nature and sin, which is common to man.
[01:29:45]  That was the theological argument I'm making.
[01:29:48]  And Alex Fick just presented another equally valid argument.
[01:29:55]  So there's two sin is common to man, the fallen nature.
[01:29:57]  Two demons are real.
[01:30:00]  And they, in some cases, will possess people.
[01:30:03]  I don't believe a Christian can be possessed, but unbelievers.
[01:30:07]  And certainly, if not full on demonic possession, they certainly push and prod and influence people.
[01:30:15]  And so having demonic powers that are influencing multiple people, even in different places around the world.
[01:30:23]  But all in a similar direction is absolutely plausible within a biblical framework.
[01:30:28]  Yep.
[01:30:29]  And a third quick explanation is I don't care who you are talking about this issue.
[01:30:36]  Even the Zionists or the pro Jewish side, all sides are going to recognize and acknowledge that Jewish people are disproportionately represented in some of these positions of financial and media power, right?
[01:30:51]  And so if Hollywood, if what we're saying is.
[01:30:55]  Um, these sorts of positions have aligned interests, and uh, Jewish people are disproportionately represented.
[01:31:03]  Then, of course, there's going to be a sense where they're bringing their interests the nation, the interests of their nation, the interests of their religion, the interests of their bankers, their personal well, they themselves might be the bankers.
[01:31:15]  They're going to be bringing all of that with them into this kind of dark undercurrent of networking and global relations, right?
[01:31:25]  Yep, yep.
[01:31:26]  Let's skip Pizzagate.
[01:31:27]  He mentions it briefly.
[01:31:28]  I actually was following it at the time.
[01:31:30]  Pizzagate, if you're not familiar, 30 seconds.
[01:31:32]  It was basically a lot of emails through WikiLeaks were leaked.
[01:31:35]  And it seemed like the subject matter that they were talking about was much worse than simply dinner parties that had nothing else going on.
[01:31:43]  And these are things, too, we never got answers for.
[01:31:46]  Why are you ordering $65,000 worth of hot dogs?
[01:31:49]  And why is this art and the entertainment?
[01:31:52]  Yeah, for the White House.
[01:31:53]  This was John Podesta, his key emails that were leaked.
[01:31:57]  I remember back in the day, 2021, Wayfair had listed for like $10,000 hundreds and hundreds of filing cabinets that had names of children that had gone missing.
[01:32:07]  We never got an answer for that.
[01:32:07]  They were for sale.
[01:32:08]  They were for sale.
[01:32:08]  Right.
[01:32:09]  So they had listed on their website.
[01:32:09]  And they were for tens of thousands of dollars.
[01:32:11]  Tens of thousands of dollars.
[01:32:12]  These just cabinets.
[01:32:13]  And they would have names like Gracie and Rodney.
[01:32:17]  And people were always going, Wait, there's kids that have been missing for a couple of years.
[01:32:21]  We never happened to get an answer for that one either.
[01:32:23]  Why were those listed on their Wayfair?
[01:32:25]  So someday maybe we'll do a full episode on it.
[01:32:27]  The last piece we wanted to talk about, and Michael handed over to you, was how this relates to some modern families, the Netanyahu's, Adelson's, and others that are still working and donating today.
[01:32:38]  Well, yeah, we were going to play a clip here and react to it.
[01:32:42]  So you guys are going to have to help me out recalling everything that the clip talked about.
[01:32:46]  We're trying not to play the clip because we just got.
[01:32:48]  We don't want to get another copyright strike.
[01:32:50]  Yeah.
[01:32:51]  Not because we're afraid to mention the topic, but just Jerry copyright strikes.
[01:32:59]  In the episode, Ian Carroll talks about how it seems like maybe some of the, I guess we would say, legacy Israeli influence and the newer Israeli influence.
[01:33:12]  I don't even know if that's the right way to frame it, but he talks about how Trump might be at odds with Bibi Netanyahu and kind of the more old guard push.
[01:33:22]  And obviously, Trump's son in law is Jared Kushner.
[01:33:26]  And then what's the name?
[01:33:27]  Adderods, is that right?
[01:33:28]  The Addison family.
[01:33:29]  Addison family, yeah.
[01:33:30]  Which just briefly on them, they're trying to bring a casino to Texas.
[01:33:34]  So they made their money in Las Vegas through gambling.
[01:33:37]  Texas has no casinos, and they're trying to bring one to Irving, Texas, and none of the people want it.
[01:33:42]  Because that's money.
[01:33:43]  And then they also purchased the Dallas Maverick.
[01:33:45]  So it's going to be kind of like a sports casino, megaplex or whatever.
[01:33:48]  Like we're talking about, like on the ground, like practically speaking, right in our backyard, these families are trying to make money and trying to invest in these things and really just overrule the will of the local people.
[01:33:58]  Yeah.
[01:33:59]  Yeah.
[01:34:00]  You mentioned earlier in the stream, Wes, about the fact that when October 7th happened, it was quickly labeled a terrorist attack by Hamas on Israel, which I mean, I think is true.
[01:34:14]  But There was a large growing sentiment in Israel against by Israelis against Netanyahu and the establishment or the established government.
[01:34:28]  And the, I don't know what we want to call it, I guess the mainline Israeli way of doing things and leadership has actually been facing increased criticism within Israel and even around the world.
[01:34:43]  And it seems like maybe what we're in the middle of with Israel, and I don't know if this is for the good or for the bad.
[01:34:49]  I don't know.
[01:34:50]  But it seems like what we're in the middle of is a bit of a change of guard, possibly, or the old guard exerting itself and digging in for longer.
[01:34:59]  I don't know that the Adelsons or the Kushner wing would be, in some ways, they're more connected with America.
[01:35:06]  So, from an American point of view, that would probably just ingratiate themselves more with our politics.
[01:35:13]  Yeah, I don't know.
[01:35:14]  There's a lot there that needs to be uncovered still.
[01:35:16]  Yeah, we're just in a brave new world.
[01:35:18]  Yep.
[01:35:19]  Like, what's going to happen in the next few years regarding all of these topics and more?
[01:35:23]  This is going to be fascinating.
[01:35:24]  Yeah.
[01:35:27]  Joel, was there anything else you wanted to say?
[01:35:28]  That was the one clip that you asked us to make sure we included that now we can't include because of the copyright thing.
[01:35:33]  The one about Bibi?
[01:35:33]  Yeah.
[01:35:37]  No.
[01:35:37]  Okay.
[01:35:38]  I don't like him.
[01:35:39]  Yeah.
[01:35:41]  But if we were able to play the clip, that would trigger my memory and I have more specific things to say.
[01:35:46]  Yeah.
[01:35:47]  All right.
[01:35:48]  We already got one copy strike.
[01:35:50]  Let's go ahead.
[01:35:50]  We're going to hit some super chats then.
[01:35:51]  Yeah.
[01:35:51]  We've got a lot of super chats today.
[01:35:53]  So let's look at those.
[01:35:55]  All right, this is Acts of Boniface.
[01:35:56]  He gave us five bucks.
[01:35:57]  Thanks, Acts of Boniface.
[01:35:58]  We appreciate it.
[01:35:59]  He said, Revelation 17, 16, Ark incoming thanks to their overstepping in the American Empire.
[01:36:07]  And I just looked it up when he left the comment.
[01:36:09]  That's when the beast turns on the harlot.
[01:36:11]  So, Rome symbolically, and then Jerusalem drunk with the blood of the saints, the beast turns on her and devours her.
[01:36:17]  She lived off its prosperity.
[01:36:18]  She wrote it.
[01:36:19]  She committed wickedness with it.
[01:36:22]  And at a certain point, the beast says, Oh, I don't like you anymore.
[01:36:26]  Right.
[01:36:26]  Yeah.
[01:36:28]  Okay.
[01:36:28]  All right.
[01:36:28]  Jeremy Kearns, 999.
[01:36:30]  Thank you very much, Jeremy.
[01:36:31]  Good to see you again.
[01:36:32]  The Reformed and even Aquinas spoke on how to deal with Jews and never giving them political power or have equality in society.
[01:36:41]  He says today we're dealing with the consequences of that.
[01:36:45]  Samuel Rutherford said the same thing that they should not be suffered to hold office or participate.
[01:36:49]  Wasn't advocating cruelty, but some of them said that.
[01:36:52]  Yeah.
[01:36:52]  Yeah.
[01:36:52]  That's undeniable that the Reformed.
[01:36:55]  Many of the Reformed did hold the position, the lion's share position for the Reformed.
[01:37:01]  It's the position that Michael holds and not the position that I hold.
[01:37:04]  I recognize that I am departing from the mainline consensus within Reformed tradition on this fact.
[01:37:12]  But they did hold that there was not land promises or anything like that, but that there was still a future promise to be fulfilled for Israel according to the flesh, namely a spiritual revival.
[01:37:24]  And so they did hold that.
[01:37:24]  And so they thought that the Jews were integral in that regard, not necessarily that they should have had a nation state or anything like that, but that the Jews dispersed between various nations.
[01:37:37]  That they eventually would, there would be a revival where they would come to Christ and finally receive the Messiah that they had rejected, and that that would kickstart.
[01:37:46]  Not all the reformers thought this, but especially the Puritans, many of them being post millennial in their eschatology, they believed that that would be a catalyst and kickstart a golden age for the church.
[01:37:59]  And so that was their position.
[01:38:02]  So I want to paint that clearly.
[01:38:04]  They believed in a future spiritual revival among ethnic.
[01:38:08]  Jewish people.
[01:38:09]  So they believe that the ethnic Jewish people, number one, that they were preserved, that they continued.
[01:38:14]  That's something that I would have some nuances and disagree with in many ways.
[01:38:19]  But the reformers and the Puritans believe that they were preserved and that these ethnic Jewish people would eventually, you know, a great many of them would convert to Christ and that that would be a significant latter day revival that would also work as a catalyst and kickstart an even greater revival among non Jewish people, Gentiles.
[01:38:41]  That said, So, in that regard, they were charitable towards the Jews.
[01:38:46]  And many of the reformers even partnered with some Jewish rabbis in terms of being able to learn Hebrew and go back to original manuscripts when it came to textual studies and their commentaries and translating the Bible, you know, and these kinds of things.
[01:39:03]  Even before the Reformation, that was happening.
[01:39:06]  The Jesuits and the Franciscans were doing the same thing.
[01:39:08]  Right.
[01:39:09]  So, all those things are true.
[01:39:10]  So, they didn't necessarily have a hateful view.
[01:39:14]  We're not saying that.
[01:39:15]  Some did.
[01:39:17]  But many did not have, like, a there wasn't like any kind of racial animus or anything like that.
[01:39:21]  However, so they believed that the Jews would eventually be saved, that would be a good thing.
[01:39:25]  They wanted to evangelize the Jews, and they even wanted to utilize some of those who were knowledgeable who could help them with the original Hebrew and Aramaic and these kinds of things in order to do some of their textual analysis and study and translating the Bible and writing commentaries, all those things.
[01:39:41]  So, in that sense, charitable.
[01:39:44]  But while being charitable, these things aren't in contradiction.
[01:39:47]  At least, not directly.
[01:39:48]  I don't think that it necessitates a contradiction.
[01:39:51]  They held that view of the Jews that they eventually are going to be saved and they can be helpful when it comes to our understanding of the Christian Bible.
[01:40:00]  That and simultaneously, both and, not either or.
[01:40:04]  They also, as it currently rests.
[01:40:06]  Joel, can I just.
[01:40:07]  The reason why Joel's saying this and that it's important is you'll read Gil or even older, you'll read some of them, and they'll refer to Rabbi so and so said this.
[01:40:17]  Like they were trying to, in some ways, catch up on the language.
[01:40:21]  They were.
[01:40:22]  And so they actually were referencing some of what they learned from the Jewish rabbis.
[01:40:27]  Yes.
[01:40:28]  And so they had that view.
[01:40:30]  And so, in that regard, to the Jews' future salvation and their knowledge of the original language, they viewed them charitably and were pretty adamant about no mistreatment or anything like that.
[01:40:45]  And yet, simultaneously, without racial animus, they also were just able to say, no, America is.
[01:40:53]  For Americans, and it is predominantly an Anglo Protestant project.
[01:40:58]  Anglo Protestant project.
[01:40:59]  And so, the same kind of view that they would have towards Catholics in the early days of America, especially the colonies, before the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, before 1776, but in the 1600s, they're like, no, Jews cannot hold public office.
[01:41:20]  They can live here and they can live here peacefully and all these kinds of things, but no, this is a Christian nation.
[01:41:28]  And those who reject Christ and hate Christ can be in the car.
[01:41:34]  And we shouldn't mistreat them, but they don't get to drive.
[01:41:37]  And that's a perfectly fair.
[01:41:38]  So, going back, Nathan, if you can scroll up, this is our response to Jeremy Kearns.
[01:41:48]  And so, we agree with largely that sentiment with the Reformers, but just fleshing it out and giving a more holistic view that the Reformers, for the most part, believed in a future spiritual revival for the Jewish people and that.
[01:42:04]  You know, necessarily assumes that they believe that ethnically the Jewish people were preserved and that they would eventually be saved.
[01:42:13]  They also partnered with them in some ways when it came to learning the original texts and the original languages so that they could help translate and also commentate on the Bible, the scripture, and did all that while simultaneously recognizing that the Jews were against Christ and that they were not Christians.
[01:42:32]  They were very much anti Christ.
[01:42:35]  And that they had no place in leadership in America, and several European nations took the same stance.
[01:42:41]  And we think that that is well, I won't say we, I'll say me.
[01:42:46]  I think that that is perfectly permissible.
[01:42:49]  That is not, that does not necessitate hatred.
[01:42:54]  That doesn't mean, oh, so you hate these people?

=== War On White Christians (04:13) ===

[01:42:57]  No, it is okay.
[01:43:00]  It's okay to have a country.
[01:43:02]  You are allowed, listen to me, Christian, you are allowed to have a country.
[01:43:08]  You are.
[01:43:09]  It is okay to say, no, this country, this nation is for us and our posterity.
[01:43:15]  It's not for Hindus, it's not for Muslims, and it's not for Jews.
[01:43:21]  It belongs to Christians, and it's okay to have a country.
[01:43:28]  You go to Islamic nations, and they're not going to be putting a bunch of Christians in positions of political power.
[01:43:34]  Everybody else is allowed to have an in group preference.
[01:43:38]  Everybody else is allowed to have an in group preference, except for Christians.
[01:43:43]  And let's be real for a second, white people.
[01:43:48]  Because there actually are some Christian nations that are allowed to have an in group preference.
[01:43:52]  But they're Christian nations that, in terms of their race or ethnicity, they're not European.
[01:44:01]  They're a Christian nation in South America, or like Uganda.
[01:44:05]  Uganda is largely a Christian nation, and they're allowed to have an in group preference.
[01:44:09]  Uganda is for Ugandans, and it's for Christ, it's for Christians.
[01:44:14]  But they're allowed to do that because, well, how come they can have a Christian nation?
[01:44:18]  Because they're black.
[01:44:20]  That's what it is.
[01:44:22]  So it's, there is a war on Christianity, but there's also a war on white people.
[01:44:28]  There is.
[01:44:29]  And these are, these two wars, this is where a lot of guys get it wrong.
[01:44:32]  They conflate it.
[01:44:33]  These are not, these two wars are not the same war.
[01:44:36]  They are two distinct wars with a great degree of overlap, albeit, right?
[01:44:40]  Venn diagram, love a good Venn diagram, just like Kamala Harris, you know, like, but it's, But it's two distinct circles.
[01:44:47]  Those two circles overlap in a large fashion.
[01:44:51]  But you can't just say, oh, there's no war against white people or white nations or Europeans.
[01:44:57]  It's just a war on Christ.
[01:44:58]  And the reason they hate Europe.
[01:44:59]  Is because of its Christian heritage and they hate America because of its Christian heritage.
[01:45:02]  It's only because of Christ.
[01:45:04]  Well, if that was the case, then they would hate Uganda, right?
[01:45:07]  They would hate Zambia.
[01:45:08]  They would hate, like, there are plenty of African nations and South American nations that, in terms of statistically, they're actually more Christian than a lot of European nations are today.
[01:45:17]  And yet they do not receive the world's vitriol and animus in the way that European nations and American, North American nations do.
[01:45:27]  And it's because it's more than just, it's nothing less than a war against Christ.
[01:45:32]  So, there is the spiritual war, but there also is a cultural war.
[01:45:37]  Those are two different wars with overlap.
[01:45:40]  There's a spiritual war and a political war, two different wars with overlap.
[01:45:44]  And you just have to say it.
[01:45:47]  You have to say it because it's true.
[01:45:49]  There is a spiritual war and a racial war.
[01:45:53]  There is.
[01:45:54]  There is a war on white people.
[01:45:56]  If you are a white man, particularly a white, young, heterosexual, Christian man, the world hates you.
[01:46:05]  And you need to know that it hates you because of your faith in Jesus.
[01:46:10]  It also hates you because you're white.
[01:46:13]  And you need to be aware of that so that you can live life with prudence, with wisdom, and act accordingly.
[01:46:21]  Because if you're a white man and you choose to marry a Christian white woman, you're going to have white babies.
[01:46:28]  And as a father, you need to be aware that your children are hated.
[01:46:34]  And a father, as his duty to provide and protect for his posterity, His children, he needs to know what kind of potential threats are out there.
[01:46:43]  He needs to know do my children have, every child has threats, but do my children have any particular threats, any unique threats that I, as a father who has been tasked by God to provide and protect, are there any particular threats that I should be aware of?
[01:47:00]  And so you need to be aware.
[01:47:02]  If you are a Christian, you have enemies.
[01:47:05]  If you are a white Christian, you have even more enemies.
[01:47:09]  That's worth saying.
[01:47:10]  Okay.

=== Final Episode Sign Off (04:38) ===

[01:47:11]  Okay.
[01:47:11]  We had a couple more super chats and let's hit those.
[01:47:13]  I don't think there were questions as much as just comments.
[01:47:15]  So, oh, Granddad Farms, super chat, $4.99.
[01:47:19]  Thanks, Granddad Farms.
[01:47:21]  Good afternoon from Idaho.
[01:47:22]  The conversation has almost reached critical mass.
[01:47:25]  Ian on JRE, Tate on Nelk, Candace on Theo, and now Cooper on Joe Rogan Experience.
[01:47:33]  Vance Massey 2028.
[01:47:36]  That'd be awesome.
[01:47:37]  That's the most realistic, best kind of outcome in the future.
[01:47:41]  Yeah, like Thomas Massey.
[01:47:42]  Like, there's not a scenario, I don't think, short term, where too many good things happen, but that could be one of them.
[01:47:48]  Yeah.
[01:47:48]  Yep.
[01:47:49]  Daniel Bartos, he didn't say anything, but he just was generous and gave us a $20 super chat.
[01:47:54]  Thank you, Daniel.
[01:47:54]  We appreciate that.
[01:47:56]  Axe of Boniface, again, another $5 super chat, said, gonna need everyone to hit that like button for the algo.
[01:48:02]  Amen.
[01:48:03]  So true, King.
[01:48:03]  So true, King.
[01:48:05]  Hit the like button, hit the share button.
[01:48:06]  Let's get it out.
[01:48:07]  Then we have Alex Flynn.
[01:48:09]  We read his.
[01:48:09]  We already did.
[01:48:10]  I'll start with his.
[01:48:10]  Yeah.
[01:48:11]  He just said, it's, it's, You don't have to, it doesn't necessitate, it could include, but it doesn't necessitate some kind of Jewish cabal in a formal sense because there's sin that's common to man.
[01:48:20]  That's one theological argument.
[01:48:22]  Number two, Alex Flick, he also added, because there are principalities and powers and demonic entities that can drive different people who have no connection to each other in any visible way on different parts of the world towards the same malevolent ends.
[01:48:38]  That's certainly a theological reality.
[01:48:41]  And then, because I can, Here's the last super chat.
[01:48:45]  He gave us $5 because I can.
[01:48:47]  Thank you.
[01:48:47]  He said, Ian Carroll stole from my friend.
[01:48:50]  Look up a Morantz Rance interview.
[01:48:54]  That could be entirely possible.
[01:48:56]  We can't speak to that.
[01:48:58]  Say it again.
[01:48:58]  M A R. M A R.
[01:49:00]  A N T Z Rant.
[01:49:02]  A N T Z Rant.
[01:49:03]  Rant interview.
[01:49:04]  So go ahead and feel free to check that out.
[01:49:06]  That's entirely possible, but we can't speak to it.
[01:49:08]  We have no idea.
[01:49:10]  Any other super chats for today, Nathan?
[01:49:11]  Nope.
[01:49:13]  Okay, that's it.
[01:49:14]  I hope you guys have found this episode helpful, and hopefully, we don't get any extra copyright strikes.
[01:49:20]  I thought that the rule was that you can show clips provided that you're actually commentating on it.
[01:49:26]  It was just too long.
[01:49:27]  Okay.
[01:49:27]  All right, so Nathan, are you going to take the video down and re upload it then without the clips?
[01:49:32]  What are you going to do?
[01:49:36]  He said, Don't make me answer right now.
[01:49:38]  So Nathan will find some way to make sure that the algorithm does not throttle this video because we want it to get as many views as possible.
[01:49:46]  And it may just mean, Nathan, that you have to take it down, delete the clips, and just put like a little text that says, We had to remove the clip because of X, Y, and Z, but.
[01:49:59]  Here's the feedback from Joel, Michael, and Wes.
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