NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - AB**RTION IS STILL LEGAL EVERYWHERE w Brent Money
Aired: 2025-01-31
Duration: 01:25:55


=== Abortion Law and Trauma (15:23) ===

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[00:00:31]  If you live in a red state like Texas, Tennessee, or Florida, you may assume that since the end of Roe v. Wade and the successful passage of heartbeat bills, abortion is a thing of the past.
[00:00:44]  But this lie, primarily fueled by the pro life industry, is exactly what stands in the way of actually abolishing abortion.
[00:00:54]  Even here in Texas, with some of the strictest laws in the nation, tens of thousands of unborn children are murdered annually right here legally.
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[00:01:28]  Today we are joined live in the studio by special guest, State Representative Brent Money.
[00:01:35]  Who just submitted legislation to end abortion here in Texas once and for all?
[00:01:42]  Tune in now.
[00:01:42]  You or me?
[00:01:46]  Yeah.
[00:01:47]  All right.
[00:01:54]  All right.
[00:01:54]  Well, welcome back, everyone.
[00:01:56]  Happy Friday.
[00:01:56]  Happy Friday.
[00:01:58]  We have State Representative Brent Money here in the studio.
[00:02:00]  Brent, how are you doing?
[00:02:01]  I'm doing great.
[00:02:02]  Thanks for having me on.
[00:02:02]  I'm sorry about my voice, but I'm going to do the best I can.
[00:02:05]  I love it.
[00:02:06]  You kind of sound like RFK Jr.
[00:02:08]  Yes.
[00:02:08]  He said real man.
[00:02:11]  Yeah.
[00:02:11]  What are you doing touching that Diet Coke?
[00:02:13]  So, we're here.
[00:02:16]  We're going to talk about a very exciting bill that you filed.
[00:02:18]  That'll be mostly in the second segment.
[00:02:20]  But just to kind of lay the groundwork.
[00:02:22]  So, we're talking about abortion.
[00:02:24]  But we're here in Texas.
[00:02:25]  Texas has, I think, like if you go through it, some of the other ones might be close.
[00:02:29]  We have the strictest laws in the nation against abortion.
[00:02:33]  There's a really clever law, actually, 2021, 2022.
[00:02:36]  It's kind of a trigger bill that was passed.
[00:02:38]  And basically, the idea of it was once Roe v. Wade was abolished, that it allowed actually private citizens to sue abortion providers.
[00:02:44]  And these abortion providers, what then they didn't end up having was any standing for relief from the higher courts.
[00:02:49]  So if it was the state that said, we're going to sue you, we're going to do this, that, or the other, then these abortion providers could say and go to the Supreme Court, like, hey, can you give us relief while this works its way through?
[00:02:58]  But because any citizen of Texas could sue someone for a minimum of $10,000 in damages, there's actually no standing before you actually would commit the abortion and then actually be sued.
[00:03:08]  So it was actually a really brilliant bill, and it's led to there really no clinics exist now in Texas that actually offer them.
[00:03:14]  And doctors, by God's grace, are scared to even provide them.
[00:03:18]  That's kind of the lay of the land here in Texas.
[00:03:21]  And I think a lot of good, godly, salt of the earth people think like that kind of did it.
[00:03:27]  Like that's it.
[00:03:27]  We shut down the clinics.
[00:03:28]  We have these.
[00:03:30]  These heartbeat bills in place, there's some type of civil penalties.
[00:03:33]  It's over, right?
[00:03:34]  Like it might not be over in the nation, but at least here in Texas.
[00:03:37]  And unfortunately, that's just not the case.
[00:03:39]  We have this conception we can have that we think of abortion as kind of this clinical thing.
[00:03:43]  We think of forceps and chemicals and vacuums.
[00:03:46]  And we think of abortion, that's kind of our idea.
[00:03:48]  I go into the clinic and I get that.
[00:03:50]  But really, what's transitioned here, especially since these bans have had success, the repeal of Roe v. Wade has been abortion via pill.
[00:03:56]  That's not the only mechanism, but it's a big one.
[00:03:59]  Abortion via pills, these are pills that are available through.
[00:04:01]  The mail, they're available for purchase, they're legal in all 50 states, and that's what's really taken over.
[00:04:06]  And it's still here in Texas, completely legal.
[00:04:10]  I want to show you real quick don't a lot of those pills, like even if you're in Oklahoma or other states where abortion is allegedly abolished, uh, don't a lot of the pills come out of Austin?
[00:04:21]  Um, I have not heard that.
[00:04:23]  Um, most of them come actually from overseas, okay.
[00:04:27]  But there are doctors in abortion safe states that will prescribe them.
[00:04:33]  And then a lot of times they come in packages in the mail literally with no markings on them to say where they came from, what's in them.
[00:04:42]  They have no instructions inside.
[00:04:43]  It's just a bottle.
[00:04:46]  And so, which can be very dangerous for the mother, but it also just takes away a lot of the barriers to adoption that I mean, I'm sorry, barriers to abortion that existed previously.
[00:05:00]  Yep.
[00:05:01]  And just for the record, I'm going to show a short video.
[00:05:03]  This is from Planned Parenthood.
[00:05:05]  This is just as inhumane, it's just as much murder as any type of clinic abortion.
[00:05:10]  This is still murder, it's still a terrible thing that's being done to the preborn.
[00:05:15]  It's not especially graphic, but I'm going to show a short video just showing from Planned Parenthood what these abortions actually look like.
[00:05:22]  There are two kinds of abortion in clinic abortion and medication abortion, also known as the abortion pill.
[00:05:28]  You can usually take the abortion pill during the first 11 weeks of pregnancy.
[00:05:32]  If you're more than 11 weeks pregnant, ask your nurse or doctor about in clinic abortion.
[00:05:35]  Abortion.
[00:05:39]  When you use the abortion pill, you actually take two different medicines to end a pregnancy mifepristone and misoprostol.
[00:05:47]  First, you'll take mifepristone.
[00:05:49]  Mifepristone works by blocking the hormone progesterone, which stops your pregnancy from developing.
[00:05:54]  Then you take the second medicine, misoprostol, either right away or up to two days later.
[00:05:59]  This causes cramping and bleeding that empties your uterus.
[00:06:03]  The cramping and bleeding can last for several hours, so plan ahead to make the process more comfortable.
[00:06:08]  You can be at home or wherever is comfortable for you to rest.
[00:06:12]  Taking a hot shower, using a heating pad, or taking ibuprofen or medicine from your nurse or doctor can help with cramps.
[00:06:20]  Your nurse or doctor will give you written instructions and a number you can call with any questions.
[00:06:24]  24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
[00:06:28]  For most people, the process takes about 5 hours, but it may take up to 24 hours to be totally finished.
[00:06:34]  The abortion pill process is very similar to an early miscarriage.
[00:06:38]  It's normal to have lots of cramping and bleeding and to pass clots and tissue, like a really heavy period.
[00:06:44]  You may also have an upset stomach, diarrhea, dizziness, or a mild fever.
[00:06:49]  You may be tired and have a little cramping for a day or two afterwards.
[00:06:52]  But you can go back to work or school the next day if you feel up to it.
[00:06:58]  Work or school?
[00:06:59]  Goddamn planned parenthood.
[00:07:02]  May Goddamn plan parenthood.
[00:07:04]  I hate, oh my gosh.
[00:07:07]  Work or school?
[00:07:08]  Yeah, I know.
[00:07:09]  They're talking to teenage girls.
[00:07:11]  That is disgusting.
[00:07:15]  Sorry for ruining everyone's day.
[00:07:16]  All right.
[00:07:18]  Yeah.
[00:07:18]  Thanks, Wes.
[00:07:19]  What are we going to say?
[00:07:20]  No, but you're right.
[00:07:21]  We need to be aware.
[00:07:22]  We need to see it.
[00:07:23]  I'm glad you showed it.
[00:07:24]  Yep.
[00:07:24]  Yeah, so abortion is still alive and well.
[00:07:27]  There are still clinics in Texas.
[00:07:32]  A lot of them act as travel agencies to get mothers to other states where they can legally murder their children.
[00:07:42]  And, you know, obviously there are a lot of stories.
[00:07:46]  If any of you have been through a miscarriage or had a loved one that went through a miscarriage, it is a traumatic thing.
[00:07:54]  And so that video kind of makes it sound like, yeah, it's just kind of routine.
[00:07:59]  It's like a heavy period.
[00:08:01]  It's a traumatic emotional thing, it's a traumatic physical thing.
[00:08:05]  It can be dangerous at times.
[00:08:08]  And to be flippant about it like that really puts women at risk.
[00:08:14]  Yeah.
[00:08:15]  So the estimates from Texas this is the thing with the law.
[00:08:18]  Like, imagine you're trying to shut down gentlemen's clubs, and you said there should be no entrance to a gentleman's club through a door facing the highway.
[00:08:26]  And they just installed side doors.
[00:08:28]  Well, that law, even as good as it would be to shut down things like that, if you don't actually have a mechanism in place to shut down all the means of doing it, the way sin works is someone just says, Oh, well, I'm not allowed to enter through the front, but there's a side entrance right here.
[00:08:41]  There was a survey, and it was something like 97% of Texas women when they were asked, Would you seek another means if abortion was illegal?
[00:08:48]  They said, Yes.
[00:08:49]  It is not until you close every avenue through the use of the law, through the state protecting the unborn, that you actually achieve the culture of life that we talk about.
[00:08:58]  Do you actually achieve?
[00:09:00]  Truly zero abortions happening on Texas soil.
[00:09:03]  So the estimates are this is from a Journal of American Medical Association.
[00:09:07]  It's about 20,000 women annually that will use this pill right here in Texas to murder their child.
[00:09:12]  We're not talking about a dozen.
[00:09:14]  We're not talking about maybe a couple hundred.
[00:09:16]  20,000 plus, if not more, as our population grows.
[00:09:20]  And then another, that's the smaller of the two numbers, another 35, 40, 50,000 annually travel out of state.
[00:09:27]  So they're going to New Mexico, they're going to Arizona, they're going to Colorado.
[00:09:30]  And there's groups there that will even fund them.
[00:09:32]  They'll fund them to take the flight.
[00:09:33]  They'll fund them to take off work and everything like that.
[00:09:36]  So the point is abortion is far from finished.
[00:09:40]  We've made progress by God's grace, but you have to finish it all the way.
[00:09:43]  You have to go all the way, fully shut down evil, not just say, like, you can do it, but only on Tuesdays.
[00:09:49]  It has to be completely done.
[00:09:50]  And the way to do that is through the law.
[00:09:54]  Over my lifetime, we've seen the Overton window for abortion on the left move from we want it to be safe, legal, and rare to anywhere, anytime, for any reason.
[00:10:07]  And so the, you know, the.
[00:10:09]  The pro choice position is her body, her choice.
[00:10:12]  She can do whatever she wants.
[00:10:14]  The pro life position has generally been it's her body, but we don't want her to make this choice.
[00:10:23]  So we're going to try to eliminate all of the avenues for her to make that choice.
[00:10:29]  And if anybody else kills the baby, we're going to call it murder.
[00:10:33]  And that's just not an intellectually or legally consistent, honest position.
[00:10:41]  And so I've Come to this kind of realization over time, later than I'm sure you guys have.
[00:10:51]  But just over the past few years, just really struggled and really with the passing of Dobbs in 22.
[00:10:59]  Is that right?
[00:11:00]  22.
[00:11:01]  Yeah.
[00:11:03]  Really started looking at okay, well, you know, is the Republican pro life orthodoxy correct?
[00:11:12]  And really, it's just not.
[00:11:16]  Texas has long said that if you murder a pregnant woman, we're going to call it a double homicide because we recognize the personhood of the child.
[00:11:25]  We have recently said if you're a doctor and you participate in an abortion, that's not allowed anymore.
[00:11:33]  But yet we still say a self managed abortion is not categorized as anything within our law.
[00:11:43]  It's just a complete and total carve out, which sends.
[00:11:49]  Mixed, inconsistent, dishonest messages to the people of Texas.
[00:11:55]  And as a lawmaker, it's our job to set the law.
[00:12:01]  The law teaches people what is right and what is wrong.
[00:12:05]  It acts as a deterrent to people who still want to do the wrong thing but are afraid of the punishment.
[00:12:11]  And then ultimately, it provides justice for those that blow through the first two stop signs.
[00:12:17]  And so, you know, when I tell my kid, my three year old who's in the street, Don't run in the street.
[00:12:24]  If you do it again, I'm going to spank you.
[00:12:26]  It's not because I want to spank the child.
[00:12:29]  I never want to spank the child.
[00:12:30]  But what I don't want is for the child to get hit by a car driving by.
[00:12:35]  And so I teach him this is wrong.
[00:12:37]  This is out of bounds.
[00:12:39]  I warn him if you do this, there are consequences.
[00:12:42]  And then ultimately, I provide consequences to serve as a deterrent in the future and a notice to the other children that I really do mean business.
[00:12:50]  Right.
[00:12:51]  So.
[00:12:51]  No, that's well said.
[00:12:52]  I like how you laid out like three different.
[00:12:56]  Uses of the law that one, it's the pedagogical function of the law, that it's a tutor, that it actually shapes the populace as a whole, even those who would never even plan on getting an abortion, right?
[00:13:09]  Or, you know, like here's an example people who don't personally plan on getting an abortion, half the population, men, right?
[00:13:16]  Turns out, even in the year of our Lord 2025, men, despite some people's opinions, do not get pregnant.
[00:13:23]  And, you know, but it's still, even for men, it shapes.
[00:13:26]  The law is a tutor and it shapes and sharpens the conscience, even for the unbeliever.
[00:13:31]  It's not just for Christians, but even the unbeliever.
[00:13:35]  And so, the majority of people, when I think of like the majority populace, they're going to be tutored by the law of God.
[00:13:42]  And then, secondly, like what you said, it's also a restraint.
[00:13:47]  So, even those who their conscience won't be sharpened because their conscience, for whatever reason, is already too far seared rather than sharpened, well, then the law of God functions as a shield, it's a restraint.
[00:14:00]  There are plenty of people who hate God and hate their fellow man, but still don't make certain choices.
[00:14:08]  Because the one thing that they don't hate is themselves, and they don't want to go to jail, you know.
[00:14:13]  And like it actually restrains people, it works as an inhibition, this impending threat of punishment, of retribution for crime.
[00:14:23]  And then, lastly, I'm sorry, I just blanked, but what was the last?
[00:14:29]  There was a justice, and then so for those who do cross the line, justice, and then that one kind of filters all the way back in.
[00:14:35]  Because when justice is displayed, you know, I think of, I believe it's Deuteronomy, it says when justice is delayed.
[00:14:43]  That wickedness ramps up within a society, but when there's justice, it's proportional, it's swift, it's blind, it's impartial, right?
[00:14:52]  So it doesn't play favoritism, but impartial, swift, proportional, meaning eye for eye, tooth for tooth.
[00:14:58]  It's not slap on the wrist for a life, and it's also not too heavy.
[00:15:03]  It's not, I'm taking your life because you shared a Facebook post that was outside, it was wrong think, like Great Britain.
[00:15:13]  You know, we're arresting you.
[00:15:16]  You know, the horde of Muslims that are coming in and raping your wives and daughters, that one will let slide.

=== Justice, Responsibility, and Sin (04:49) ===

[00:15:23]  But you just posted something about it on Facebook, and so you're going to jail, right?
[00:15:27]  So you can be unproportional, disproportional in both directions.
[00:15:30]  You can overpunish, you can underpunish.
[00:15:33]  But that too filters back in that last function that shapes the populace.
[00:15:38]  But when the people see it's not just the punishment of the one, but it's the lesson for the many that the people see.
[00:15:45]  Whoa, this really is serious.
[00:15:46]  And so, all those things are so vital.
[00:15:49]  But back to that first one, the last thing I'll say is in terms of the law being having that teaching function, that's why consistency matters so much, not just for the purpose of justice, which is in its own right vital that we're not that we don't have unequal weights and measures.
[00:16:05]  So, we want to be just, but beyond just the matter of justice, if that wasn't enough in itself, which it is, in terms of tutoring the population and for you being responsible.
[00:16:18]  For citizens, residents in Texas, when you would punish, not you personally, but when the civil magistrate would punish in Texas the abortion doctor, but not the woman who is getting an abortion herself, that says something, that teaches something.
[00:16:38]  And really what it teaches is it teaches that it's inappropriate or it's wicked or it's a crime for medical professionals.
[00:16:49]  To practice, to have this as a part of their practice.
[00:16:54]  But the killing of the child in and of itself is not really the killing of the child.
[00:16:59]  It also reinforces another thing that it teaches in the wrong direction it reinforces, I've said several times, but it reinforces the common notion that most people won't necessarily say out loud, but it is the reigning dogma, I think, of our culture today, which is that women don't sin, women can't really do anything wrong.
[00:17:20]  So, it's wrong when that abortion doctor, you know, when he does it as a profession, he's getting paid for it and he's racking up, you know, abortions by the hundreds.
[00:17:29]  But, you know, but that woman, when she makes that choice and she gets a pill that's mailed to her, you know, and she doesn't have anybody helping it, she does it all on her own.
[00:17:39]  Well, we can't really say that's wrong because that would insinuate that women sin.
[00:17:45]  We can't have that.
[00:17:46]  And so, the shortest way that I've ever articulated it that always.
[00:17:50]  Makes people upset.
[00:17:52]  I said, America has two choices.
[00:17:54]  We can worship women or save babies, but you can't do both.
[00:17:59]  And America, for quite a while now, at least half a century, has opted for worshiping women.
[00:18:04]  And personally, as a pastor, I think that the vast majority of the church has made that choice as well.
[00:18:11]  Yeah.
[00:18:11]  And if we can talk about men, I think to this point as well, if you have a society where abortion is off the table, It requires some responsibility of the men.
[00:18:25]  It used to be that if a man and a woman had sex and got pregnant, there's a wedding.
[00:18:35]  That's right.
[00:18:36]  Because the man had to take responsibility.
[00:18:38]  Now the law teaches the man if she just takes care of it, I don't have to worry about it.
[00:18:45]  That's what the law currently says.
[00:18:47]  And so you have this perverse incentive for a man to.
[00:18:52]  To try to convince a woman to kill his child.
[00:18:57]  And if she does it all alone in Texas without any help from anybody else, it's totally fine.
[00:19:02]  She may not even want to.
[00:19:05]  She may have that maternal instinct that says, I want to do this.
[00:19:08]  I think I can do this.
[00:19:10]  But he's saying, not only am I not going to help you, but he's saying, I'm going to leave you and go find someone else or I'm going to do whatever.
[00:19:17]  Because he knows he'll have to help her legally.
[00:19:18]  He will have to help her.
[00:19:19]  He'll have to help her.
[00:19:20]  That's right.
[00:19:22]  And so it creates this perverse thing.
[00:19:25]  If it is illegal for the mother to kill her own baby, then it is also illegal now for the man to coerce her into murdering her own baby.
[00:19:35]  Yep.
[00:19:36]  Anybody.
[00:19:37]  It could be a parent, it could be a mother, a father, whoever.
[00:19:39]  Yeah.
[00:19:40]  Yeah.
[00:19:40]  All parties involved should bear the responsibility for that decision.
[00:19:47]  And certainly there are many cases where it's not just an individual woman in isolation making that decision by herself.
[00:19:54]  Right.
[00:19:55]  But it does seem like that's the one person that even.
[00:19:59]  Relatively good guys who would agree with us for the most part on the issue of life.
[00:20:04]  And that seems to be the one person that they're least likely to indict as having any moral guilt whatsoever is the woman.

=== Enforcing Power and Armor (03:40) ===

[00:20:13]  I was going to say, too, the nice, the neat thing about a law, if you have it on the books and you enforce it for a while, do you know how often you're having to enforce it?
[00:20:20]  Right.
[00:20:20]  Like we had sodomy laws here in this country for probably close to, Michael, you did the research a while ago, 150 years.
[00:20:26]  Yeah, it was about that long.
[00:20:27]  Was the state just on the daily, just like committing raids, surveilling?
[00:20:31]  It wasn't that many, actually.
[00:20:33]  It wasn't at all.
[00:20:34]  The law was there.
[00:20:34]  It said this is wrong.
[00:20:35]  This should not be engaged in.
[00:20:37]  The people saw it.
[00:20:38]  They were shaped by it.
[00:20:39]  And then you didn't almost have to have any enforcement of it.
[00:20:42]  Same thing if you like, you spank your child.
[00:20:44]  He's three, he's four, don't touch, don't do.
[00:20:46]  Over time, there's not even any spanking left.
[00:20:48]  They're not six, seven, eight years old.
[00:20:50]  You have to come back in and like, well, spanked you three times for this today for the last three months.
[00:20:55]  No, you apply the law, you enforce it.
[00:20:57]  That's the important part of it.
[00:20:59]  But you apply it and enforce it.
[00:21:00]  And then as time goes on, as the populace is shaped, you're not running around having to enforce it anymore.
[00:21:05]  You can shape a people over decades and centuries to such where That's just the law they abide by because, again, it's been enforced, it's taught and trained them.
[00:21:13]  So, don't think of this as like, man, in perpetuity, we would just have to be enforcing this and updating it and sending out task force.
[00:21:20]  Not at all.
[00:21:21]  In time, it would be something that wouldn't even have to be worried about, probably.
[00:21:24]  When Cromwell came into power in England, they made adultery a capital crime.
[00:21:31]  There's no record that anyone has ever been executed for committing adultery.
[00:21:35]  But historically, that is by far, those couple of decades, the lowest out of wedlock birth period in all of England's history.
[00:21:44]  I bet.
[00:21:45]  Yeah.
[00:21:46]  Wow.
[00:21:47]  That's nice.
[00:21:48]  All right, we're going to go to our first commercial break.
[00:21:49]  When we come back, we're going to hear from Brent about the bill, what it contains, and how you can support it.
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=== House Bill 2197 Clarified (09:25) ===

[00:23:53]  All right, welcome back.
[00:23:55]  Brent, take it from here.
[00:23:56]  Yeah, so earlier this week, I filed House Bill 2197 in the Texas House, and it is a very simple bill.
[00:24:06]  It just eliminates the exceptions in Texas law in the Penal Code, and also there's a place in the Civil Code as well.
[00:24:17]  And the primary exception that it deletes is just the one that says this chapter does not apply to the mother.
[00:24:24]  Killing her own unborn child.
[00:24:26]  And so it was kind of shocking to find that that was in there on the books.
[00:24:33]  Like, we're going to clearly define homicide, we're going to clearly define personhood, and then we're just going to say this doesn't apply to the mother.
[00:24:41]  So the bill removes that.
[00:24:44]  It also clarifies that this doesn't, we're not talking about life saving procedures that are taken to save the life of the mother as long as you're not intentionally killing.
[00:24:56]  The child, and you're taking normal medical precautions.
[00:25:00]  A lot of people have asked about that.
[00:25:02]  What about ectopic pregnancies?
[00:25:04]  What about these extremely rare situations where a woman's life really is at risk?
[00:25:09]  And if the woman's life really is at risk, then we're going to try to save the woman, but we're not going to try to harm the child.
[00:25:17]  Just to interject there, too, sorry.
[00:25:19]  It came up in the RFK hearings.
[00:25:21]  One of the senators asked him, imagine a scenario where they've got the crib all set up and the woman comes in.
[00:25:27]  And it's the unthinkable happen.
[00:25:28]  He's like, I don't want the government in there.
[00:25:30]  There is no scenario post 20 weeks where abortion is the medically necessary procedure to save the life of the mother.
[00:25:37]  You deliver the child.
[00:25:38]  I mean, children have survived now in the early 20s.
[00:25:41]  We had a family in our church.
[00:25:42]  The baby was born at 29 weeks.
[00:25:44]  There is none, no, zero scenario at 32 weeks or 34 or 30 where you have to take that baby apart to somehow save the mother.
[00:25:53]  You deliver the baby and save them.
[00:25:56]  That woman needs to birth the baby.
[00:25:58]  She doesn't need to kill the baby.
[00:25:59]  If in birthing the baby, the baby dies, That's completely ethically different than we intentionally were trying to rip the baby apart.
[00:26:06]  That's exactly right.
[00:26:07]  Exactly.
[00:26:07]  And I mean, there are sad stories everywhere.
[00:26:10]  There's the woman that gets cancer and she needs chemotherapy, but the chemotherapy will harm.
[00:26:15]  And there you're dealing with the triage situation.
[00:26:19]  And we're not talking about life saving things.
[00:26:22]  We're also not talking about spontaneous miscarriages.
[00:26:27]  There's misinformation out about existing Texas law and other states saying that doctors are not allowed to help a woman.
[00:26:34]  Who has had a spontaneous miscarriage.
[00:26:38]  And that's not currently true in Texas law.
[00:26:41]  It's not currently true in any state.
[00:26:43]  It's a lie of the left, but we are clarifying that as well to say that yes, the doctor can perform procedures necessary to remove an already deceased baby.
[00:26:57]  That's just health care.
[00:27:00]  But it's a simple bill.
[00:27:02]  I've been extremely encouraged.
[00:27:04]  There's been a lot of hard work by a lot of folks over the last few years.
[00:27:08]  Educating legislators and people throughout Texas, myself included, on this issue.
[00:27:18]  And having just filed it on Wednesday, and we haven't even been at the Capitol on Thursday and Friday, but I already have close to 20 co authors and really expect that I'll get quite a few more.
[00:27:32]  The reception has been very good, and I have not been at all bashful about what the bill does.
[00:27:40]  I don't want anyone to.
[00:27:42]  Sign on and then say, oh, well, I didn't understand what you're trying to do.
[00:27:47]  I've walked through this same.
[00:27:49]  The law is a tutor.
[00:27:50]  The law is a deterrent.
[00:27:51]  The law is justice with lawmakers throughout the Capitol.
[00:27:57]  And I'm very encouraged and think we're going to.
[00:27:59]  I mean, we already have more co authors than we've ever had on this bill before in Texas.
[00:28:05]  And I think we're just getting started.
[00:28:07]  Yeah.
[00:28:08]  If you live in Texas, so you're a listener, you live here in Texas, maybe you live in Brent's district, but if you would go to, and maybe it'll be here down on your screen, but you can just search find my representative.
[00:28:19]  There's 150 representatives in the House.
[00:28:21]  And call them and ask for their support, for them to sign on as a co author, for them to support this bill.
[00:28:27]  If they're in the committee that it gets assigned to, you need to be understanding the local dynamics of your state, contacting a representative, because that's how, I mean, I think of alcohol, not abolition, the prohibition.
[00:28:42]  The prohibition.
[00:28:43]  Like we had in the United States a movement that went so quick and so powerfully that it got enacted into the Constitution, the prohibition of alcoholic beverages.
[00:28:50]  And then there was so much backlash a couple years later that it got taken off.
[00:28:54]  Right.
[00:28:54]  But the point is, your elected representatives, like they feel the heat when their constituents say, please, sir, support this bill.
[00:29:00]  Please, ma'am, support this bill.
[00:29:02]  Again and again and again, the phone, the email.
[00:29:05]  And so if you live in Texas, House Bill 2167, 2197, equal protection of the unborn, call your representative, just search and find your representative.
[00:29:15]  That would be a huge help in, by God's grace, getting this passed.
[00:29:18]  Yeah.
[00:29:19]  I'm curious if the bill that's been introduced is it in addition to, or how does it differ from? Civil penalties enacted with some of the heartbeat laws.
[00:29:33]  Like, is it in addition to kind of weaker pro life legislation, or is it just a removing from the legal code of murder the definition of what a murder is?
[00:29:46]  Or, like, how would this, if this were to pass, how would this actually kind of look in practice?
[00:29:52]  Sure.
[00:29:53]  Texas has, kind of interestingly, has kind of a layered approach.
[00:29:57]  And when we, When we have cranked it down more, we haven't removed the previous layers.
[00:30:02]  So we have a heartbeat bill, actually.
[00:30:05]  And then after that, we had the trigger bill that said at any point of development, but we didn't get rid of the heartbeat bill.
[00:30:11]  The trigger bill was a civil penalty.
[00:30:16]  But the civil penalty applies to anyone except the mother.
[00:30:20]  We also have homicide that applies to anyone except the mother.
[00:30:24]  So we're removing both of the except the mother exceptions to that to clarify.
[00:30:31]  So the civil penalty will still be there.
[00:30:33]  But they're now in post Dobbs, there shouldn't be any legal constitutional concerns with just making a criminal punishment for abortion.
[00:30:45]  Okay.
[00:30:46]  Yeah.
[00:30:47]  What would you say to people who would levy the counter of like, do you see what they're trying to do?
[00:30:56]  They're trying to pass this bill and then they're going to go and round up every person who's ever had an abortion for the last 50 years.
[00:31:03]  Right.
[00:31:03]  What would you say?
[00:31:04]  Well, first of all, that's.
[00:31:07]  Explicitly unconstitutional.
[00:31:09]  You cannot create a law to punish past conduct.
[00:31:12]  But just in case, we went ahead and put that in House Bill 2197 that says this only applies to conduct that occurs after the effective date of this.
[00:31:23]  It doesn't apply to anything previously.
[00:31:25]  You can't, real quick, you can't establish a law that punishes past conduct.
[00:31:30]  But if you're the president of the United States, can you offer a pardon that would excuse any of all past conduct?
[00:31:38]  Yeah, man, I would say that's an open question.
[00:31:42]  I certainly have thoughts on that.
[00:31:44]  Like if you have just a young boy.
[00:31:46]  For example.
[00:31:47]  A young boy in his 50s who's done a little bit of cocaine in the White House.
[00:31:52]  Yeah, right.
[00:31:53]  Go ahead.
[00:31:53]  Sorry.
[00:31:54]  Yeah, no.
[00:31:55]  So that little tyke.
[00:31:57]  I think there are people in the Republican pro life world that are concerned about that.
[00:32:04]  The number of women who have had abortions over the last 50 years is staggering.
[00:32:10]  The number of people in our churches who have had abortions is staggering.
[00:32:16]  It's tragic.
[00:32:17]  It's wicked.
[00:32:20]  And so my heart breaks for that.
[00:32:24]  But what I would say to that is if you're counseling with a post abortive woman, the only relief that she's ever going to find from the torment that she is going through is to take it to the foot of the cross, confess your sins.
[00:32:42]  He is faithful and just to forgive you of your sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness.
[00:32:48]  And so we.
[00:32:50]  Telling her, well, it's not your fault.
[00:32:53]  You were pressured.
[00:32:54]  You didn't have a choice.
[00:32:56]  That is a weak salve on a deep, deep wound.
[00:33:01]  And if we truly love these women, we need to say, what has happened to you and what you have done in the past, the choices that you have made, you have to take them to the cross.
[00:33:11]  That's the only place that you're going to find redemption for that.
[00:33:18]  Well said.
[00:33:18]  Yeah.

=== God's Law and Grace (15:16) ===

[00:33:19]  The law of God.
[00:33:20]  You know, everything that we've established thus far that it's, you know, the pedagogical function, that it's a tutor, that it shapes and sharpens the conscience of people, that it also works as a shield and a restraint.
[00:33:30]  It holds back.
[00:33:31]  The law doesn't change the heart, but the law does restrain outward manifestations of evil that would stem from an evil heart.
[00:33:39]  So the evil heart remains, unless the gospel actually converts the individual, but the evil heart would remain.
[00:33:45]  But that person, society is protected because that evil heart is restrained and not acting in terms of outward manifestations, actions of evil.
[00:33:53]  And that person, even if they're never saved, Jesus says that not all sins are equal.
[00:33:58]  He even says that to one will be given a light beating, to another will be given a more severe beating.
[00:34:04]  So you're even sparing the reprobate, who we don't know, we don't have election goggles, we don't know who God's going to save, that's not our business.
[00:34:10]  But even if that person turns out not to ever come to faith in Jesus Christ, it's even a mercy and a kindness to them because you restrain them from doing outwardly as much evil as they could have and would have done.
[00:34:24]  So, that their punishment, even in eternity, is lesser than it would have been.
[00:34:29]  And so, there's even a grace in that sense.
[00:34:31]  And then, of course, enacting justice.
[00:34:34]  So, all those things that we've already said.
[00:34:37]  But another, the gospel function of the law, and the way that the law is not the gospel, it's distinct from the gospel.
[00:34:43]  But the way that the law works in tandem with the gospel is the way that I've always preached as a pastor is that if we minimize the law of God, one of the things that it does in the first use within the Reformed tradition, the first use of the law of God is.
[00:34:57]  It functions as a mirror.
[00:34:59]  The law is holy because God is holy.
[00:35:01]  So God doesn't have a standard outside of himself, and God is God because he lives up to it.
[00:35:08]  No, the law is merely a reflection and an extension of God's own thrice holy triune nature.
[00:35:16]  So the law is perfectly holy because God is perfectly holy.
[00:35:19]  It simply reflects to us his own divine essence and nature, who he is.
[00:35:24]  And so when the law is rightly preached and legislated by the civil magistrate within a society, Basically, what you're doing for the people under your care is you're presenting accurately God.
[00:35:39]  You're saying this is who God is, and by saying accurately in line with the scripture who God really is by actually legislating God's real law, you're showing them who God is.
[00:35:51]  And then what happens is by virtue or by way of consequence of revealing to the people this is who God is, and He's holy, holy, holy.
[00:36:00]  By way of consequence, that the reflection that they see of themselves as they stare into the holiness of God, it functions as a mirror and causes them to see back to themselves and see by comparison.
[00:36:12]  Their lack of holiness, their sinfulness.
[00:36:16]  And so when the law is rightly preached in the church, but also rightly legislated by the civil magistrate, it reveals God rightly.
[00:36:24]  And when we reveal God rightly, it reveals, by way of consequence, man rightly.
[00:36:29]  So we have now a more biblical, accurate anthropology, not just theology, but anthropology.
[00:36:35]  We actually can view ourselves rightly by comparison to God's holiness, seeing our sinfulness.
[00:36:42]  And the final thing is that that then shows us much more accurately how.
[00:36:47]  Infinite, how infinitely wide the chasm really is between sinful men and a thrice holy God, which means all the way back to now the gospel, which means that then when the gospel is preached, that it's being properly placed in the context of the, like, you know, the illustration has been used before that the gospel is like a diamond, a multifaceted diamond, and it shines most brightly.
[00:37:11]  Like you go in to, you know, buy a ring for, you know, you're getting engaged and they're going to have diamonds.
[00:37:19]  Usually set on the backdrop of a black velvet, you know, something that's going to show a stark contrast so that the brilliance doesn't detract at all from the brilliance of the diamond.
[00:37:36]  And the gospel, like that diamond, shines most brilliantly when it's set on the proper context, the backdrop of the black velvet sin of humanity.
[00:37:50]  And so, when the law is rightly preached and right in the church and rightly legislated by the state, then you're rightly seeing the character and nature of God and His holiness.
[00:38:00]  By way of consequence, you see your sinfulness.
[00:38:03]  And by seeing your sinfulness, now when good news is preached, the mercy and kindness and grace and forgiveness of God, within the context of me actually needing that as a sinner, then the gospel becomes good news.
[00:38:19]  And today, there's so many people, when you say, I mean, it's scandalous, but like when you tell the average person today, God loves you, they don't always verbatim say this, but often you can even see it in their eyes that the unspoken response for many people is it's not shock and awe and surprise and being overwhelmed that God would have mercy on them, that He would love them, even though He's holy and they're sinful.
[00:38:48]  No, the average response from people today when you say, God loves you, the average response is, Well, he'd be crazy not to.
[00:38:56]  Right.
[00:38:58]  Yeah.
[00:38:58]  Of course he loves me.
[00:38:59]  Who wouldn't?
[00:39:00]  Yeah.
[00:39:00]  You know, like God would actually be out of line to do anything but love me.
[00:39:07]  Because there's just this assumption that the love of God is somehow the default setting because it's merited by the person, that I actually deserve the love of God.
[00:39:18]  And so the love of God doesn't wow and surprise people unless it's seen not merely as love, it's nothing less, but to be a little bit more particular.
[00:39:30]  It is love, but it's a particular kind of love.
[00:39:33]  It's grace, unmerited love, undeserved love.
[00:39:38]  The gospel is not just love.
[00:39:40]  God, the Bible says that angels even long to look into these things, that they're bewildered and perplexed and curious about these things.
[00:39:51]  And in that context, these things being the gospel, how a holy God could have mercy towards sinners.
[00:39:56]  And the reason why angels long to look in, what that implicates is that angels are outside of the gospel merely as spectators, not recipients.
[00:40:05]  They're looking in as spectators and they're wowed and amazed that this.
[00:40:10]  Thrice holy God could have mercy on his image bearing creatures who chose in defiance deliberately to raise their fists in rebellion against him.
[00:40:21]  So, my point is does God love the angels?
[00:40:24]  Perfectly.
[00:40:26]  God has perfectly loved every single angel since the beginning of their creation for thousands of years, and yet he's never had grace towards angels.
[00:40:41]  Right, a third, give or take of the angels, rebelled against him, no chance of redemption.
[00:40:47]  The other two thirds have all only ever been faithful, so no need for redemption.
[00:40:52]  So, one you know, the fallen angels, um, no redemption offered, the other angels, um, no redemption necessary, and yet God loves them.
[00:41:03]  So, angels know love, but when we speak of the gospel, we're not merely speaking of God's how God relates to angels because God loves angels.
[00:41:12]  God loves himself perfectly.
[00:41:14]  The Father loves the Son.
[00:41:16]  The Son loves the Father.
[00:41:18]  But what we're talking about when we speak of the gospel is not merely love, nevertheless, but it is more than merely love.
[00:41:26]  It is a particular kind of love, unmerited love, undeserved love.
[00:41:30]  It is grace.
[00:41:31]  And that's what overwhelms the hearts of men if the Spirit would be so kind in his sovereignty to give us spiritual eyes to see and spiritual ears to hear.
[00:41:42]  That good news, but it's not shocking, wowing, overwhelming good news if it's just love and not grace.
[00:41:50]  And it will never be heard and received as grace if there's no understanding of the need for grace.
[00:41:58]  And that doesn't come unless I see myself as a sinner.
[00:42:01]  And I don't see myself as a sinner unless I see God as so much vastly more holy than I am by seeing his holy law accurately preached.
[00:42:11]  And the very last thing I'll say is Charles Spurgeon said it like this.
[00:42:14]  A man will never appreciate the beauty of Christ unless he first comes to see the need for Christ.
[00:42:20]  And so that's what the law does.
[00:42:21]  And people all the time, evangelicals, because they've been brainwashed and so poorly taught by the church on this and by the civil magistrate failing in his duty.
[00:42:30]  So both the state and the church has so failed the average professing Christian today that you'll regularly hear the refrain anytime the law is even spoken of.
[00:42:44]  You hear like the.
[00:42:47]  Almost like an automatic response.
[00:42:49]  And I'm not talking from pagans, but from people in the church.
[00:42:52]  The automatic response is, well, that's law.
[00:42:57]  Just tell me about the gospel.
[00:43:01]  We're not under law, we're under grace.
[00:43:03]  If there is no law, there is no need for grace.
[00:43:07]  We preach law because it makes grace all the sweeter.
[00:43:13]  That's not the only reason, but that is one of the reformed historic.
[00:43:17]  Purposes and uses of the law of God is that it is not the gospel.
[00:43:21]  Law and gospel are distinct, law gospel distinction, but the law makes the gospel sweet.
[00:43:29]  And so you are robbing that woman.
[00:43:32]  It's not that you're beating her up by having just laws regarding abortion.
[00:43:36]  You're actually damning her and condemning her and robbing virtually every opportunity for her to receive the salvation that's found in Jesus Christ alone because you're telling her she doesn't need it.
[00:43:53]  Absolutely.
[00:43:54]  Yeah, that'll preach.
[00:43:55]  That'll preach.
[00:43:56]  I think it just did.
[00:43:57]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:43:58]  There you go.
[00:44:00]  Okay, let's.
[00:44:01]  Well, Wes, any are there?
[00:44:04]  You're a chart guy.
[00:44:05]  He's got a chart.
[00:44:06]  I got stories.
[00:44:06]  I got stories.
[00:44:07]  I got a little bit more.
[00:44:08]  Several people have asked about IVF.
[00:44:10]  Okay, do you want me to kind of hit on that?
[00:44:13]  So, this bill is not an IVF bill, but it does deal with the destruction of human life and say we don't allow for the destruction of human life.
[00:44:25]  And so, where IVF to me is about the Creation, the storage, and the implantation of an embryo, and that is all still legal under my bill.
[00:44:43]  What's not legal is the destruction of human life.
[00:44:49]  And so, several people I've noticed asked about that.
[00:44:54]  So, in regards to fertilized eggs, they would have to be used?
[00:44:58]  So, yeah, right now in Texas, I don't know about.
[00:45:04]  I would say that if they're destroyed.
[00:45:07]  Right now in Texas, there is, like I said, we have defined personhood as being from conception, which is the fertilization.
[00:45:17]  So anything.
[00:45:18]  Right.
[00:45:19]  So fertilization, and that has always been the case.
[00:45:21]  I'm not changing the law.
[00:45:23]  I want to say always been the case, but that has been the case for a long time in Texas that we have defined life that way.
[00:45:29]  And so once you define life that way, well, murder is the taking of life.
[00:45:34]  And so, all my bill does is say once life is created, there's no exceptions that allow you to destroy that life.
[00:45:44]  And so, where medicine can go through an IVF process or some other process that is not the needless destruction of human life, this bill does not address that.
[00:45:59]  But that.
[00:46:00]  Well, then, to me, and this may upset some.
[00:46:05]  People, dear brothers and sisters in Christ, that I would appreciate.
[00:46:11]  But to me, I would say that's a great bill.
[00:46:14]  And then you also probably need another one.
[00:46:16]  Yeah.
[00:46:17]  Because, and the only reason I would say that is because although it doesn't allow for the destruction of the fertilized egg, which we believe is a human being made in the image of God from the point of conception, what could happen, if I'm hearing you correctly, is that that zygote is simply never used.
[00:46:37]  And we know.
[00:46:38]  Scientifically, that eventually it's subject to decay.
[00:46:42]  And even if nobody intentionally destroys it, it's kind of like almost like the idea of, well, you can't kill a botched abortion if it's not successful, aka you didn't murder the child with your first attempt.
[00:46:59]  Well, you can't murder it, you don't get a second try.
[00:47:01]  But what you can do is you can put it on that stainless steel table and walk away, knowing that the inevitable result is that the child will die without.
[00:47:12]  Attention.
[00:47:13]  So you're not harming the child, but you're also not helping the child.
[00:47:17]  And you know by not helping the child that the child will, in fact, die.
[00:47:21]  And so for me with IVF, and this is something that I came to later as well.
[00:47:27]  I wasn't like 15 years old and preaching against IVF.
[00:47:32]  I didn't even know what it was.
[00:47:33]  But over time, seeing that at least two problems.
[00:47:36]  One, if the zygote, if these fertilized eggs aren't used, that the only other option is that they will eventually decay and be destroyed.
[00:47:44]  And then trying to get some kind of theological language around that.
[00:47:49]  And the only thing that I could really liken it to is, in some senses, incarceration without fair trial.
[00:47:58]  That by virtue of being stored, like you mentioned, storage, that put away, it's like this is a living person being put away for no crime that they've committed and no promise.
[00:48:15]  That they'll ever be let out.
[00:48:17]  In fact, it's being put away with a very real possibility that we're going to put you in jail without a trial, without a crime having been committed, and a very good chance that you will die in jail.
[00:48:30]  And so, what you're talking about there is IVF as it currently is.

=== IVF Procedures and Jail Risks (05:42) ===

[00:48:35]  Okay.
[00:48:36]  And so, if I hear where you're coming from, I'm sympathetic to that.
[00:48:42]  What I'm saying is, I don't want to.
[00:48:46]  With this bill directly take on the IVF issue.
[00:48:50]  And that's why I started the way that I did.
[00:48:52]  I like the bill, go for it, you would have my full support.
[00:48:54]  And that's why I phrased it saying, and it sounds like we probably need another one.
[00:49:01]  And we always need to find ways to better conform the law to God's intent for mankind as He slowly puts all things under His feet, hopefully starting here in Texas and moving outward.
[00:49:16]  And so that's great.
[00:49:21]  To me, the fact that we have, you know, thousands, tens of thousands of abortions by pill and other means in Texas right now, willful destruction of human life is something that we have to address as a state and need to address it in a hurry.
[00:49:48]  And there's a difference, too, between an abortive procedure that always, ever, every single time is successful.
[00:49:55]  Ends life versus it is entirely like the reason we do batches of 20, 25, 30 eggs is because it's expensive and we want to get as many as possible to successfully implant.
[00:50:04]  But theoretically, it is possible to only bring one to two together.
[00:50:07]  So it would be a single or twins.
[00:50:09]  And that could actually bring life, which would be good.
[00:50:11]  It would be a human life.
[00:50:12]  It would be made in the image of God.
[00:50:13]  It would be a blessing to couples that were unable to conceive.
[00:50:16]  So we're talking about two different categories that have to then be legislated differently.
[00:50:20]  The murder every single time versus a process we have to do in such a way we don't freeze our neighbors.
[00:50:26]  Yeah, right.
[00:50:26]  And I know people who have gone with IVF and have said, I only want this many eggs and I want them all implanted.
[00:50:33]  I know people like that.
[00:50:35]  And I know people as well who have adopted snowflake babies through IVF.
[00:50:42]  So there is a way to, and I know there's people in their audience, maybe here, that wish that that procedure didn't exist.
[00:50:51]  But there are ways through that procedure that do not necessarily end a human life.
[00:50:57]  And those would all be protected.
[00:51:00]  Uh, still, yeah, cool.
[00:51:03]  Well, let's go to our last commercial break and then we'll come back.
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=== Boldness in Financial Planning (07:14) ===

[00:54:18]  Well, for this last segment, I went online because one of the things we've been talking about abortion for years, by God's grace, I think all of us have been against it and praying for the end of it.
[00:54:27]  I can remember being like eight years old in a Baptist church just on Wednesday night prayer meeting, praying for God to end the slaughter of children.
[00:54:34]  And one of the things that when you think about bills like this is it can be easy to think of the scenario the police and the law and the courts.
[00:54:42]  And you say, how could that be loving?
[00:54:46]  That doesn't seem caring.
[00:54:48]  I get the unborn piece, but what about the mother?
[00:54:50]  And so I'm going to read.
[00:54:51]  I've seen hundreds of these over the years.
[00:54:54]  I'm not about to read to you the only three stories that could possibly be found on the internet.
[00:54:59]  There are thousands and thousands of women that will live the rest of their life with extreme regret over what they did.
[00:55:07]  And it's going to haunt them every single day, even if saved, even if the gospel comes in and applies forgiveness.
[00:55:12]  You're a heroin addict up until 80 years old and you were saved by God's grace.
[00:55:16]  You will still bear the marks of that in your body.
[00:55:19]  And so I'm going to read these stories and I just want you to be thinking about how that law, if it was just made a standard that nobody could murder their child, how all of this pain, all of this regret, not even talking about the child in this case, but the mother, How it could have been avoided.
[00:55:33]  And so I'm going to share this first one here.
[00:55:37]  This is from three months ago.
[00:55:39]  This is on Reddit.
[00:55:40]  Drowning in regret for my choice, and I don't know how to move on and find community.
[00:55:45]  This is going to be on your screen.
[00:55:46]  I'm not going to spend 15 minutes reading through all of these, but I'm going to read the highlights.
[00:55:50]  I got my abortion two weeks ago, and I am feeling the deepest sadness I have ever felt.
[00:55:55]  Even walking into the clinic, I couldn't do it.
[00:55:57]  I sat in the waiting room and cried for an hour before I could work up the courage to pick up the pen and begin filling out the paperwork.
[00:56:04]  My mind has been unable to rest since.
[00:56:08]  This is another one.
[00:56:10]  This is from a woman who said, I didn't have a dad growing up and felt like I didn't want that for my child, but there are some nights I feel such regret and anguish over terminating my pregnancy.
[00:56:18]  I wish I could have met my baby.
[00:56:19]  It's to the point when I hear about abortion or see my nieces and nephews, I feel horrible.
[00:56:24]  I feel empty.
[00:56:25]  I wonder if I had had my baby, if I'd try harder in life to make things better for them.
[00:56:28]  I miss something I never got to know and don't know what to do.
[00:56:31]  What do I do?
[00:56:34]  And then I regret my abortion.
[00:56:36]  Input, please.
[00:56:37]  It happened when I was 20.
[00:56:38]  I wish I would have thought about it more, to be honest.
[00:56:40]  I wish I could have talked to more people with different perspectives now.
[00:56:43]  I wish I would have been made to think about how it would affect me so long down the line.
[00:56:49]  I have several friends now that are successful in academics and work that had children at 20, and their lives aren't destroyed.
[00:56:54]  Far from it.
[00:56:55]  We're in the same place in life, but they have loving children, while I have, well, not.
[00:57:01]  And these are just three of thousands and thousands of women.
[00:57:04]  You said this is Reddit.
[00:57:05]  Like, was it hard to find these?
[00:57:06]  Are there any more ones for like where people are talking about this on Reddit?
[00:57:11]  Yeah.
[00:57:11]  So it's a, it's a, this is just the abortion subreddit.
[00:57:13]  I just searched the word regret and found all of them.
[00:57:15]  And these are the ones that people were willing to put online.
[00:57:18]  Women aren't as online as men.
[00:57:20]  And these bills are loving to these women.
[00:57:24]  It's loving to the child.
[00:57:26]  It's loving to the women.
[00:57:27]  It's a, most importantly, it's the right things in God's eyes to do.
[00:57:31]  These are the categories as you defend, as you push, if you're a lawmaker, as you file.
[00:57:36]  You need to be thinking God's law when it says thou shalt not murder is not unkind, it doesn't set women up for failure and career spiraling, it sets all of us up for success and for flourishing.
[00:57:47]  Well said.
[00:57:48]  All right, let's try to get to some of the questions.
[00:57:51]  Uh, Nathan, if you can go ahead and put those over on the side, here we go.
[00:57:54]  Uh, we're going to start with uh, Jeff Halfley, good old Jeff, God bless him, the most faithful super chat commenterslash questioner of all time, single handedly funding right response.
[00:58:07]  All right, here we go.
[00:58:08]  Jeff Halfley, we appreciate you.
[00:58:09]  He says.
[00:58:10]  How can we help elect more state reps to support this bill?
[00:58:15]  Today, a rhino slash dim coalition controls the Texas House.
[00:58:20]  We want to help great replace them.
[00:58:26]  Amen.
[00:58:29]  Now, this is my jam right here.
[00:58:31]  I will tell you when, and some of you have noted this, and I said I'm new to the abolition type movement, although I've been, you know, grew up in church, been pro life my whole life.
[00:58:44]  And early on, when I started running, some abolitionists came to me and just started gently and knowledgeably talking me through it.
[00:58:54]  And this is about two years ago or so.
[00:58:58]  They came and knocked doors with me, and we went to lunch and breakfast, and they talked with me and talked with me, and we worked through all of these things.
[00:59:05]  And, you know, I started where I think a lot of my colleagues in the Texas House are, which is, yeah, that's great, and I see it, and that's right, but it's not politically viable.
[00:59:16]  And just worked through God giving me the boldness to handle it.
[00:59:23]  And so I would say to you, Find people that already are your state reps right now.
[00:59:31]  We're a year or so from the next election cycle and just start talking with them.
[00:59:35]  If there are candidates who have already announced that they're running against some of these rhinos, start talking with them.
[00:59:43]  There's a great organization called Abolish Abortion Texas that does a lot of direct contact.
[00:59:51]  They're having a rally at the Texas Capitol for this bill on February 19th.
[00:59:56]  So we'll have a rally there on the South Steps.
[00:59:59]  And then they will go and talk with legislators already in the building about supporting this bill.
[01:00:05]  You can donate.
[01:00:06]  I tell people all the time you have no idea how hard it is to start a campaign.
[01:00:13]  But if you have a church with, let's say, 100 families, and they each put $25 aside each month, then you can raise $30,000 in one year.
[01:00:26]  And that's a great start to a campaign.
[01:00:30]  Just $25 a month per family.
[01:00:33]  And so there's money, prayer, just, but most of it is boots on the ground.
[01:00:37]  Politics and government is run by the people who show up.
[01:00:41]  So show up and knock doors for people who agree with you and talk with the people that you don't.
[01:00:49]  And have grace that God may be working on them at a different pace than he worked on you.
[01:00:55]  And I really appreciate people in my life that did that.
[01:00:59]  And they didn't expect me to be there right now or else cut me off, but just, Continue that conversation, opening the word of God, talking through, and then giving me some space to pray about it and come back.
[01:01:13]  And so that would be my admonition, plea to you is to engage in these conversations, but come at it with humility and boldness at the same time.
[01:01:27]  Well said.
[01:01:29]  This is a great point from MB East.

=== Molech Worship and Fertility (13:21) ===

[01:01:33]  Another super chat.
[01:01:33]  We appreciate that.
[01:01:34]  Thank you, MB East.
[01:01:36]  Says, let's look into MAHA, make America healthy again, to address infertility of Americans.
[01:01:43]  Wouldn't you think that this would decrease the need for IVF?
[01:01:48]  IVF should be abolished, by the way.
[01:01:51]  And so I think that that's personally, I think that's a great point.
[01:01:55]  I think that so, it's not just that, oh, well, you know, our technology has become more advanced.
[01:02:02]  And yes, but also I think we need to be honest.
[01:02:07]  And say that the perceived need has exponentially increased from times past.
[01:02:16]  So it's not just like, well, we're capable technologically of performing a procedure that previously we didn't.
[01:02:21]  And so that's why it's an ethical issue that we have to parse out today.
[01:02:24]  And it's not something that we have to figure out in the 1950s.
[01:02:27]  Yeah, I'm with you.
[01:02:28]  I think that practically that argument has merit.
[01:02:32]  And that's true.
[01:02:33]  That seems to be undeniable.
[01:02:35]  But there's also some other things that have developed since the 1950s.
[01:02:38]  And it's not just medical technology.
[01:02:39]  The other thing that's Developed is rampant demonic feminism.
[01:02:43]  I'll just throw that one out there.
[01:02:46]  Part of the reason that a bunch of people want to do IVF is because women aren't ready to have kids until they're 35 years old, 40 years old, because they were wearing the pantsuit as boss babes for the first 20 years of having a fertile womb and aren't ready to settle down and be a mom until it's too late.
[01:03:06]  And so there's a lot of.
[01:03:07]  They've been freezing their eggs for decades.
[01:03:09]  They start their career and say, I'm going to have these on ice for 15 years.
[01:03:12]  Right.
[01:03:12]  That's eggs different from embryos.
[01:03:14]  But like, just.
[01:03:15]  15 years.
[01:03:16]  And so, one, you know, that's not exactly what was in the comment from MB East, but I think it's both.
[01:03:22]  So, one, it's Maha, make America healthy again.
[01:03:26]  How many women, we don't even know, but like how many women are infertile because of red dye and because of, you know, there's all these things that are in our food.
[01:03:36]  Yeah, all these.
[01:03:37]  Yeah.
[01:03:38]  And hormonal birth control.
[01:03:40]  Yes, sir.
[01:03:41]  Obesity.
[01:03:43]  Yeah.
[01:03:44]  But I think a lot of it is just, man, you know, I got married when I was 21.
[01:03:49]  Um, you know, there, my wife was 20, she had a lot of fertility in front of her.
[01:03:54]  Um, and uh, and so we're, I think, as a society, and you talk about the laws being a tutor, motherhood is awesome, right?
[01:04:02]  Like, I mean, how in the world can people think that motherhood is not the highest and best use for women?
[01:04:11]  What is more precious than training and raising up godly young people?
[01:04:18]  Um, and uh, and and so, like, I just admire and appreciate my wife so much for what she has done.
[01:04:26]  I can't imagine what she could have accomplished in a corporate world that would even compare to what she has given me with five children who love the Lord and who respect their parents and who are, God willing, going to be responsible members of society.
[01:04:45]  And so we need to praise that.
[01:04:48]  And I want to say this too it goes back to the basic of the bill.
[01:04:51]  I'm sorry, it's not a lot about Maha.
[01:04:53]  We've addressed that.
[01:04:55]  You know, I think even pagan people recognize how precious a mother's bond to her child is.
[01:05:04]  And when you think about murder, how many murders occur in Austin every day that nobody ever hears about?
[01:05:11]  But if a father murders his child, that's going to be on the news probably for a few days.
[01:05:18]  If a mother murders her child, that's national news.
[01:05:21]  So we, because instinctively, we know that is disordered.
[01:05:26]  It goes completely against nature.
[01:05:29]  The person who is most supposed to take care of that child has done something that is unthinkable.
[01:05:39]  And yet, as a society, we say, as long as you do it pre coming out of the birth canal, nothing.
[01:05:47]  But I think that that illustrates that even in the darkness of our hearts, we know it should not be this way.
[01:05:56]  Right.
[01:05:57]  I want to jump on that real quick too.
[01:06:00]  The other angle here is that fertility treatment and IVF generates a lot of money.
[01:06:06]  It's very expensive.
[01:06:07]  And my wife is a functional nurse practitioner, and she has helped a number of women just through getting them healthy, be able to become pregnant, who were told by the medical establishment, well, the only option is for you to spend this $10,000, $20,000, $30,000, $50,000 on this fertility treatment.
[01:06:28]  And, you know, it's not a guarantee.
[01:06:29]  Of course, some women are barren.
[01:06:32]  But the point is well taken by the commenter.
[01:06:37]  The picture is not as, in some ways it's worse, in some ways it's better than we would think.
[01:06:47]  And a big part of what we're about on this podcast and even this episode is trying to establish a natural order, right?
[01:06:54]  Where women are healthy, women are getting or attempting to get pregnant with their husbands in their prime fertility years, and where the society around them is promoting and encouraging and supporting that rather than working against it at every turn.
[01:07:09]  Yeah, it's, you know, like abortion, you said it well, Brent, but it's one of those sins that goes against nature.
[01:07:18]  And even, you know, like a lot of guys who are against abortion who I appreciate, and I've said this too, you know, that it's abortion is Molech worship.
[01:07:27]  You know, it's worshiping a false God, you know, and giving your children to the fire, to this false God, you know, that's been around for thousands of years, Molech, you know, that people would, you know, hand, there'd be this fire and its arms extended, you know, and fathers and mothers would, you know, would.
[01:07:43]  Offer their children to be burned alive and to die.
[01:07:46]  But I don't want to let Americans off the hook.
[01:07:51]  I'd like to further indict Americans.
[01:07:54]  In a sense, it's not really Molech worship.
[01:07:57]  I'm not saying that Molech is not a real demon, fallen selfishness.
[01:08:01]  Right.
[01:08:01]  Yeah.
[01:08:02]  So when people worshipped Molech historically, even then, as heinous as it was, of course it was a sin.
[01:08:09]  I'm not saying, and so it wasn't sinful back in the day.
[01:08:12]  It was a sin when a family would give their child to.
[01:08:17]  The demon god Molech to be burned in the fire.
[01:08:22]  But they did it because, and this is the part that people miss, they would do it in order to get some kind of return.
[01:08:29]  And sometimes it would be something like more fruitful crops, you know, and material blessings or protection from their enemies.
[01:08:38]  But often, what it was most related to commonly was I'm going to offer one child to Molech so that Molech will give me 10 children in return.
[01:08:47]  So, It's when you think it went that to me really puts into perspective.
[01:08:52]  So it's like the Molech worshipers who would commit human sacrifice of their own child, right?
[01:08:59]  Not just their enemies, but their own child, right?
[01:09:01]  So a sin that is contrary to nature.
[01:09:05]  All sins are contrary to God's law, but not all sin is contrary to nature.
[01:09:09]  This is both contrary to the law of God and special revelation, his commandments, but also to natural law.
[01:09:14]  It goes against nature.
[01:09:16]  But even in that sense, back in the day, you know, pagan people worshiping the God of Molech, even that.
[01:09:23]  It was against nature because it's human sacrifice, a mother offering her own child that she's been entrusted and appointed by God to nurture and to love.
[01:09:32]  But even there, there was still a somewhat right natural instinct.
[01:09:37]  Of course, it was sin, it was murder, all those things stand.
[01:09:40]  But what I mean is that it was often performed so that they would have, in the same way that you think of Hannah, who said, made a vow to her God, her God happened to be the triune God, the true God, who's far more benevolent and merciful.
[01:09:54]  But she said, If you, she was barren for a very long time and she makes this promise outside of the temple, she's weeping, you know.
[01:10:02]  And Eli, the priest, thinks that she's drunk, you know, because she's so distraught and heartbroken because she wants children.
[01:10:08]  She has a good natural instinct, a maternal instinct, the way that God designed women to be.
[01:10:13]  She wants to be a mother and she promises God, if you give me just one child, I'll give the first one to you.
[01:10:20]  I'll give the first one to you if you give me open my womb and get and allow me to have the rest.
[01:10:25]  Now, she, that first child that she gave to her God.
[01:10:28]  The true God, the triune God, wasn't given to flames to be consumed, but rather given to the house of the Lord to be a prophet and to speak.
[01:10:36]  And that was Samuel.
[01:10:38]  But that's what people, that's what pagans were doing back in the day.
[01:10:41]  It was kind of like the other side of the coin, the reverse, you know, upside down world version of Hannah.
[01:10:48]  Hannah's, I'll give you the first if you give me more.
[01:10:51]  She says that to the triune God, and giving to the triune God meant devoting Samuel to worship God in the temple.
[01:10:59]  To serve before the Lord as a prophet.
[01:11:02]  But with Molech worship, it was, we'll give you our first child to be put to death.
[01:11:08]  Today, though, in the West, women are not saying, we'll give our first child to Molech, to modern Molech, Planned Parenthood, so that you'll give me 10 children in return.
[01:11:20]  It's not, I'll give a child to get more.
[01:11:22]  It's, I'll give a child because I want none.
[01:11:25]  I want none.
[01:11:26]  And so it's not all sins are equal.
[01:11:31]  All sin is sin, but murder is a greater sin than other sins.
[01:11:35]  Murder of your own offspring is an even greater sin.
[01:11:39]  That's not just a fit of passion, you know, a crime of passion, you know, anger, second degree murder, but murder of your own posterity is a sin that is not only against the law of God, but against nature.
[01:11:52]  And that's been committed for, you know, centuries.
[01:11:56]  Again, see my point about Molech worship.
[01:11:58]  But today, it's even more unnatural.
[01:12:02]  It's not, I'll give you one child so that you give me more.
[01:12:04]  It's, I'll give you this child and the next child and the next child, not because I want more, but because I want none.
[01:12:11]  And that doesn't change.
[01:12:15]  The law can prohibit that.
[01:12:17]  But the reason we need just laws, and we also need good pastors and good churches and good media and good professors in academia at every realm of society, we need to reinstruct, re disciple, and reshape.
[01:12:35]  The people of our nation to make children great again, to make motherhood great again.
[01:12:44]  That people would see motherhood as what you're saying, as this noble profession, you know, the hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world, like that they would see it as noble, as desirable, that they would see children as a blessing from the Lord rather than a burden.
[01:13:00]  And you do that by good laws, you do that by good preaching, but you also, let's just be honest, you also do that by not exasperating.
[01:13:09]  Your citizens, you want the populace of these United States not to see children as a burden?
[01:13:15]  Okay, one of the ways you do that is not just law and not just preaching in the church, but also through economics.
[01:13:22]  Right now, children are never a burden.
[01:13:25]  Let God be true, and though every man a liar.
[01:13:27]  So God's word says that children are a heritage from the Lord, they're a blessing.
[01:13:30]  Psalm 127.
[01:13:31]  And that remains true whether you're living in a difficult context or an easy context, it doesn't matter.
[01:13:36]  God's word is still true.
[01:13:37]  But you can make children who are inherently a blessing.
[01:13:41]  Sometimes, in certain contexts, they can feel burdensome, and you can release the feeling of that burdensome.
[01:13:47]  They're objectively, definitively a blessing.
[01:13:50]  But the subjective feeling of children, especially multiple children, being burdensome, that's something that you can change.
[01:13:57]  And you can change that by taxation, lowering taxes.
[01:14:02]  You can change that by not giving away all your jobs to foreigners.
[01:14:07]  You can change that by mass deportations, lowering taxes.
[01:14:14]  You know, like for every child you have, you pay 25% less taxes.
[01:14:18]  You have four kids, you don't pay any taxes at all.
[01:14:20]  These are ways of tutoring, shaping the people through legislation, not just punishing evil, but also praising the good.
[01:14:29]  Romans 13, there's both sides of the equation coming.
[01:14:31]  So we're going to actually punish murder, but we're also going to esteem blessed is the man whose quiver is full.
[01:14:38]  And that woman, we're going to put a wreath around her neck and she's going to be in a public parade and we're going to honor her and they're going to have zero taxes because they have four more kids.
[01:14:48]  These would be wonderful Christian policies.
[01:14:51]  Amen.
[01:14:52]  Amen.
[01:14:54]  All right.
[01:14:54]  Anything else?

=== Birth Rates and Tax Credits (11:00) ===

[01:14:55]  We need one other super chat.
[01:14:56]  So we at least have to.
[01:14:57]  Okay.
[01:14:57]  Where is it?
[01:14:58]  Let's find it.
[01:14:58]  Very top.
[01:14:59]  Very top.
[01:15:00]  Okay.
[01:15:00]  So, Sage D, I know what you're referencing.
[01:15:03]  I saw this earlier.
[01:15:04]  I appreciate you putting this on here and I want to honor your time in doing this.
[01:15:07]  Thank you for your generosity.
[01:15:09]  He says, Howdy, Pastor Joel.
[01:15:10]  Looking forward to your collaboration with my homie, Glenn Lawrence.
[01:15:15]  He introduced me to your work because you're one of the few pastors who preaches for masculinity and against feminism.
[01:15:24]  So, Thank you, Sage D, for that encouragement and also to Glenn Lawrence for giving a good reference for me.
[01:15:32]  To answer your question, though, real quick with that.
[01:15:35]  So, Glenn has reached out to me.
[01:15:38]  I'm not super familiar with Glenn's work.
[01:15:40]  He seems like a nice guy.
[01:15:41]  He's always been kind to me.
[01:15:42]  I know that he professes Christ as Lord, and so I have no reason not to believe that he's a Christian, but I haven't really looked into his work.
[01:15:48]  I know he's been pretty involved in the red pill movement, which I would agree with a lot of their natural instinct.
[01:15:55]  I would disagree.
[01:15:56]  Where I think they take it too far.
[01:15:59]  And, you know, the red pill movement is not inherently a Christian movement.
[01:16:03]  In many ways, it is very non Christian.
[01:16:06]  But that doesn't say anything about Glenn personally.
[01:16:08]  So I would just have to be more familiar with his work.
[01:16:11]  And I'll say this the specific thing that he recently asked me to do was in regards to a debate with guys in the red pill movement who advocate for polygamy.
[01:16:22]  And so I politely told him no, not because.
[01:16:27]  Because I'm inherently against debating and certainly not because I'm for polygamy.
[01:16:31]  I believe polygamy is wrong.
[01:16:33]  But here's the thing that guys just don't realize debates, every time you say yes to a debate, essentially you need to walk, say yes, right?
[01:16:44]  You send back that text message and say, yes, I'll do the debate.
[01:16:46]  And then you immediately need to walk into the living room and look your wife and children in the eyes and say, you will be without a father for the next month.
[01:16:54]  That's like, seriously, what's Wes Ha?
[01:16:57]  Huff.
[01:16:58]  You know, like everybody after he, you know, had like a more informal, it wasn't timed and stuff, but with what's that guy's name?
[01:17:05]  The black guy who's Billy Carson.
[01:17:07]  Yeah.
[01:17:07]  Billy Carson.
[01:17:08]  Right.
[01:17:08]  So they had, and then everybody, you know, came out of the woodwork and was like, debate me, bro, debate me, bro.
[01:17:12]  And I thought he had a really good little response that he just shot impromptu, five minute little response.
[01:17:17]  And I saw it floating around on the interweb where he said, and he was respectful.
[01:17:21]  He was like, guys, I'm like, it's not that I don't think that you merit a debate or that I don't think you're intellectual or this or that.
[01:17:30]  But it's also not that I'm afraid or I'm scared or my position can't stand on its own two legs.
[01:17:35]  You just have to understand debates are incredibly, incredibly demanding on your time.
[01:17:43]  You can't just walk into the room and just kind of ad lib, you know, I'm your Huckleberry, you know, Doc Holiday style, shoot from the hip.
[01:17:50]  That's just that's so anyway.
[01:17:52]  So, all that being said, Sage D, thank you for the encouragement.
[01:17:54]  Tell Glyn, your friend, thank you for his encouragement and that he's tuning people into our show.
[01:18:01]  That means the world.
[01:18:03]  I'm not super familiar with his work, but he's always been kind towards me.
[01:18:06]  I appreciate that.
[01:18:07]  But in terms of collaborating with him, I would be open to something like that in the future.
[01:18:14]  But at this season of my life right now, with five very, very young children, I'm not really itching to hop into any debates anytime soon.
[01:18:24]  Was it one more, Nathan?
[01:18:26]  Very bottom.
[01:18:27]  Okay.
[01:18:28]  Let me guess.
[01:18:29]  It's going to be IVF.
[01:18:30]  Yep.
[01:18:31]  So this is a super chat.
[01:18:33]  I'll let Brent handle this one.
[01:18:34]  So do you want to read it?
[01:18:35]  Yeah, sure.
[01:18:36]  Everything you'd have to do to make IVF ethical would make it no longer effective.
[01:18:41]  Why not just ban it outright?
[01:18:44]  Well, because that's not what the goal of my bill is.
[01:18:49]  Right now, I would like to make equal protection under the law so that all murder is illegal in the state of Texas.
[01:18:57]  And so let's criminalize murder first, make sure that each child, whether born or unborn, they're all created in the image of God and should be entitled to equal protection under the laws of the state of Texas and the United States.
[01:19:16]  And as far as IVF, we've kind of talked about it a little bit.
[01:19:20]  But, you know, to the extent that it can be done without destroying human life, and I believe that it can, I mean, we're about to go to Mars, right?
[01:19:30]  I mean, there's a lot of things that we can do.
[01:19:35]  I think that let's focus on that issue a different day.
[01:19:41]  Well said.
[01:19:42]  So that was going to be it.
[01:19:43]  But our very own Jeff Hafley, bottom of the ninth, he hopped in here with a $10 super chat.
[01:19:48]  And I mean, Who am I to refuse that $10 super chat?
[01:19:52]  I must oblige.
[01:19:54]  He's making a statement, but I think it's relatively good.
[01:19:57]  And I'll let you comment on this, Wes, because I think you've thought about some of these things.
[01:20:03]  He says, Ideas for pro family policies basic credit of $6,000 per child, plus homemaker credit of $6,000 per child for families where one parent is the primary stay at home caregiver for the children.
[01:20:18]  And I would just say, change that to.
[01:20:22]  We're the mother.
[01:20:24]  More specified.
[01:20:25]  No Neil Shenvee.
[01:20:26]  Yeah, no Neil Shenvee, stay at home dads.
[01:20:29]  But no, it actually has to be the mom.
[01:20:30]  Wes, any thoughts on what he said?
[01:20:32]  It's a good instinct.
[01:20:33]  I like it.
[01:20:33]  It's tough because a lot of Western countries, their birth rates are plummeting.
[01:20:36]  And different countries, I think Hungary is one of the ones that have bucked the trend, but there really is not.
[01:20:43]  Explicitly Christian in their constitution.
[01:20:46]  Yes.
[01:20:48]  And you look at the mass immigration that we are receiving, underlying it all is our low birth rate.
[01:20:55]  And if it wasn't for our plummeting birth rate, but we have this corporate interest in making sure we still have consumers and workers because we cannot feed the pipeline having 1.7 children each.
[01:21:08]  Right.
[01:21:08]  Yep.
[01:21:09]  Wes?
[01:21:09]  Well, I was going to say so you have that policy.
[01:21:12]  I like it.
[01:21:12]  It's a good one.
[01:21:13]  It's the state rewarding that, which is good.
[01:21:15]  But you do have to be careful because you could be giving that to, I mean, the birth rate in inner city Baltimore is probably pretty high.
[01:21:21]  And all you're incentivizing there is a type of wedlock situation where the state is just.
[01:21:26]  Handing out money.
[01:21:27]  So, that type of policy would have to be married in some way to productivity.
[01:21:31]  So, he mentioned like a caregiver bonus.
[01:21:33]  And, United States, we've done something like this.
[01:21:34]  It's called the Child Tax Credit.
[01:21:36]  It was $3,000 during COVID, came down to $1,500 now.
[01:21:39]  I think those are good laws, but what they're going to be part of is a holistic return back to people that have a high trust society, people that are flourishing economically, that have borders that are secure.
[01:21:49]  It is those things in tandem with economic advantages that are going to turn the needle, turn the tide.
[01:21:55]  If it's a non refundable credit, and boy, I didn't know we were going to get into tax.
[01:21:58]  Policy because I'm not, I don't know a lot about it.
[01:22:01]  But if it's a non refundable credit, then it just goes toward the taxes that you owe.
[01:22:05]  It doesn't become a handout to people who don't pay taxes.
[01:22:09]  That could be a way to address that issue.
[01:22:11]  What you said, Brent, the only thing I was going to add to that in terms of immigration and all the ramifications of that is I think it's instead of a one way stream, it's more of a two way street.
[01:22:21]  A chicken, it's like chicken or the egg.
[01:22:23]  And I think the answer is both.
[01:22:25]  It's part of what has made immigration appealing is the low birth rate.
[01:22:30]  And I would also say that part of what has incentivized the low birth rate is immigration, that it works both ways.
[01:22:37]  That through immigration, you have the third world being imported en masse to these United States who are willing to work.
[01:22:46]  Jobs for half the wages.
[01:22:49]  And so through that, and I would add feminism as well, women entering the workforce in mass, that it becomes not just exceptions like Rosie the Riveter, which first wave feminism, I don't like that one either.
[01:23:04]  But now where it's commonplace, it's kind of the assumption that women would, why isn't your wife working?
[01:23:10]  You don't feel like you have enough for a household income?
[01:23:12]  Well, what gave you the audacity to think that a single income would be?
[01:23:17]  Why isn't your wife joining you in the workforce?
[01:23:18]  She should be working too.
[01:23:20]  So, my point is, I think the low birth rate incentivizes a lot of corporations and our political elite to open up the floodgates for immigration.
[01:23:30]  But likewise, immigration, I think, has been a major cause in causing the birth rate to plummet because through immigration, as well as feminism, both of those, what it's done is it's taken away single income jobs that can actually provide for a family.
[01:23:48]  Feminism said to employers, you know, if you ever want to, who likes feminism?
[01:23:52]  Women, right?
[01:23:53]  Nope.
[01:23:54]  Most women, like, they don't want it actually.
[01:23:57]  They're there and they're like, I wish I could stay home with my kids.
[01:23:59]  Right.
[01:23:59]  They're stuck on a home and a mortgage payment.
[01:24:01]  That's right.
[01:24:01]  Yeah.
[01:24:01]  The women who like feminism are 22 year old girls at college.
[01:24:07]  You know what I mean?
[01:24:08]  But grown women.
[01:24:10]  Or women in their 50s and 60s who have missed out on their kids.
[01:24:12]  Who never had kids.
[01:24:12]  Yeah.
[01:24:13]  Exactly.
[01:24:13]  Who bought the lie and now they have to keep justifying, consoling their mind so that they can sleep at night.
[01:24:18]  I made a great decision.
[01:24:19]  It was great that I wore a three piece suit my whole life and never had kids.
[01:24:22]  You know, and like, Vance has a term for the single cat ladies.
[01:24:27]  That's what he called it.
[01:24:29]  And so, anyways, so yeah, but for the most part, it's not just women, it's men that really embrace feminism, primarily employers, because it was a way of them getting twice the workforce for half the wage.
[01:24:44]  Well, the same wage.
[01:24:45]  Yeah, the same way.
[01:24:46]  Exactly.
[01:24:46]  Yeah, double their bang for buck.
[01:24:49]  And so I think feminism and then also immigration have done both of those have been two of the major factors in driving down wages to where.
[01:24:59]  To where you can't, it's very rare to be able to have a single income for a household.
[01:25:06]  And as long as people feel like they can't do that, if families, husbands, and wives feel like we can't, if we have kids, someone else has to raise them financially because we just can't do it.
[01:25:20]  As long as that happens, you're going to continue to see the birth rate plummet.
[01:25:24]  So, all right, that's got to be it for today.
[01:25:26]  Jeff Hafley just keeps on going, but we've got to.
[01:25:29]  We've got to go ahead.
[01:25:30]  He said, create a holiday, name it Family Day.
[01:25:34]  I'm down.
[01:25:34]  American Family Awards.
[01:25:36]  There you go.
[01:25:37]  Yep.
[01:25:38]  Last thing he said families with three or more children would qualify for a government backed low interest home loan.
[01:25:45]  Yep.
[01:25:45]  Lots of great ideas.
[01:25:46]  Appreciate you guys for tuning in.
[01:25:49]  And we will see you, Lord willing, on Monday.
[01:25:51]  And Brent, thank you so much for your time.
[01:25:53]  Thanks for having me.
[01:25:54]  Appreciate it.
[01:25:55]  Yeah.