NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Dark Knights Of Christendom
Aired: 2024-10-23
Duration: 01:58:56


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[00:00:41]  If you're going to build a movement, you're going to need your radicals.
[00:00:45]  Like Batman taking the fall for Harvey Dent, these radicals can be the bad guys acting as scapegoats by preaching uncomfortable truths and pushing the Overton window to provide cover for pastors, politicians, and leaders who run the risk of reprisal from their institutions.
[00:01:07]  If we are going to win, we can't afford to be idealists or compromisers.
[00:01:13]  We are going to have to be shrewd and calculating.
[00:01:17]  Tune in now as we discuss why every movement needs its radicals, but also its good company men.
[00:01:33]  I'm going to be honest with you.
[00:01:35]  This one, it's going behind the paywall.
[00:01:37]  It's not something we typically do.
[00:01:39]  In fact, thus far, every single piece of content that we've produced here at Right Response Ministries has eventually been made available to you for free publicly.
[00:01:50]  This is an exception, though.
[00:01:51]  First two episodes will launch publicly.
[00:01:54]  The next seven episodes will exclusively be available for our members at patreon.com forward slash Right Response Ministries.
[00:02:02]  Why?
[00:02:04]  Well, I'll give you the reason.
[00:02:06]  Because right now, the vast majority of evangelical Christians are not ready for the conversation that we have in these episodes.
[00:02:14]  And frankly, you and I both know that many of those individuals are actually bad faith actors who will seek to slice it up, take us out of context, put it out there for the World Wide Web in order to discredit this ministry and see to it that we're canceled.
[00:02:31]  And honestly, I'm not willing to let that happen.
[00:02:34]  What conversation am I even talking about?
[00:02:36]  I'm talking about a nine part series between myself.
[00:02:41]  And Pastor Andrew Isker on Israel.
[00:02:44]  The history, the scripture, the whole big shebang.
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[00:02:58]  And here's a couple clips just to whet your appetite.
[00:03:01]  And so our entire moral framework is based around 1930 and 1940.
[00:03:06]  And every bad thing is Hitler, every failure to confront the bad thing is Neville Chamberlain.
[00:03:14]  And Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Vladimir Putin, Hitler, Donald Trump, Hitler.
[00:03:19]  That's the only moral framework that we have that is operable.
[00:03:23]  So the moment that a young man crosses the aisle and the don't believe your lying eyes rhetoric doesn't work any longer, and he's just noticed too much because it really is that blatantly obvious.
[00:03:34]  And he has nowhere else to go.
[00:03:35]  And he crosses the aisle.
[00:03:36]  Well, the moment he crosses the aisle, there's no reasonable, wise, mature leader over there.
[00:03:40]  You would just have the guys on the TV telling them, This is what the Bible says.
[00:03:45]  You have to believe this, right?
[00:03:47]  On the radio, the Christian radio stations, you'd only hear those guys preaching that particular thing.
[00:03:53]  When that is actually, when you look at all of church history, that's the minority view, the tiny minority view.
[00:04:01]  The rest of theological history in the church is the kind of stuff that we're saying.
[00:04:09]  Yeah, this one's a banger.
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[00:04:24]  All right, welcome back to another Wednesday live stream.
[00:04:27]  GA.
[00:04:27]  Good afternoon.
[00:04:28]  GA.
[00:04:29]  Normally, we'd have to apologize for referencing a comic book in the title of the movie in the cold open.
[00:04:34]  Here's the deal though older than 10 years, so it hasn't been made in the last 10 years.
[00:04:39]  And it's DC, it's not Marvel.
[00:04:41]  Well, see, that's the thing.
[00:04:42]  I was going to say, this is nothing for me because I did some series with Iskar and it wasn't the one on Israel, but I.
[00:04:51]  It was the Boniface one.
[00:04:52]  And it was with Isker and Ady Robles.
[00:04:56]  And I quoted Marvel.
[00:04:59]  Oh.
[00:04:59]  And they both just looked at me like their faces I could see before my eyes as we were recording.
[00:05:05]  They morphed into the guy from Uganda, like, why are you gay?
[00:05:10]  Like, and I was like, I, yeah, they're like, there's got to be a better example you could share.
[00:05:14]  Just anything.
[00:05:15]  Ghostbusters, I don't know.
[00:05:18]  No.
[00:05:18]  So the Dark Knights of Christendom.
[00:05:20]  I don't want to push the metaphor too far, but think about.
[00:05:23]  Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight.
[00:05:24]  So, in the movie, you have a city riddled with crime in the underworld, and the institutions that are in place, your crime units, your detectives, your police force, all of these things, they're not sufficient to handle it through the normal mechanisms.
[00:05:37]  Or they're even involved.
[00:05:39]  Or they're even involved.
[00:05:39]  They're either corrupt, they're not involved, they're turning a blind eye.
[00:05:42]  And so, Batman doesn't appear on the scene because everything is running perfectly smooth, right?
[00:05:46]  Subway's on time, criminals are locked up.
[00:05:49]  No, Batman is the necessary thing that comes about when all the systems and the structures and the fail safes that are in place.
[00:05:56]  That's what it was.
[00:05:57]  I said, but I made the critical, crucial mistake.
[00:06:01]  I used Thanos and I said, I am inevitable.
[00:06:04]  So much better to use Batman.
[00:06:07]  Now, of course, the haters are going to be watching.
[00:06:09]  They're like, you guys are arguing over which cartoon is less childish.
[00:06:15]  We're not referencing Star Wars.
[00:06:16]  That's true.
[00:06:17]  Honestly, the hardest thing about liking Star Wars is having to tell your dad you're gay.
[00:06:21]  I'm just going to tell my kids there are six movies.
[00:06:24]  But, Dad, isn't there these things?
[00:06:25]  The New Hope, the West.
[00:06:26]  No, son, those don't exist.
[00:06:28]  They've never been made.
[00:06:28]  You're not.
[00:06:29]  They don't exist.
[00:06:30]  Hey, real quick, John Dupree, good to see you.
[00:06:33]  He's in the chat.
[00:06:35]  And then also, I wanted to say give us a quick like on the video.
[00:06:39]  Give us a quick like, leave a comment on the chat to boost the algorithm, get it out to as many people as possible.
[00:06:47]  And, oh, somebody said, MJ Naples said, is Joel Osteen the Joker?
[00:06:52]  This one's going to hurt, guys.
[00:06:53]  But right now in 2024, the abolitionists are the Joker.

=== The Radical Abolitionists (13:23) ===

[00:06:58]  I love our abolitionist brothers and sisters in Christ.
[00:07:02]  They're radicals, exactly.
[00:07:03]  Well, and here's the thing.
[00:07:04]  That's why initially I came out, I think, a little stronger than I should have on X with some of the abolitionists.
[00:07:13]  And then I've done my best with guys who I think are not just good brothers in Christ, but probably, if I had to bet, I think probably better men than me.
[00:07:22]  Like Ben Zaisloff.
[00:07:24]  I think of David Reese.
[00:07:26]  I think of James Silberman, Dusty Deaver.
[00:07:28]  Like there's a bunch of guys.
[00:07:31]  Jacob Miller, who is a wonderful member in our church, great guys.
[00:07:36]  Who are pushing the Overton and are simply saying, look, we believe this is the biblical standard and we can't compromise.
[00:07:44]  Now, I disagree in the application.
[00:07:46]  I agree on the standard.
[00:07:47]  I disagree on the application of this standard as we seek to apply it to a federal presidential election in a general election.
[00:07:57]  So, not the primaries, Exodus 18, bring us your best guys that meet the standard.
[00:08:02]  But we're talking about a general election.
[00:08:03]  One of these two people is going to be president.
[00:08:04]  And I think there's an obligation, a civil duty as Christians.
[00:08:08]  To love our neighbors by saying we're going to ward off the maximum damage.
[00:08:15]  We're going to try to ward off maximum destruction.
[00:08:17]  And they would disagree with me and say, well, that's how you keep getting worse and worse candidates, right?
[00:08:22]  If you always pick the lesser of two evils, then you're basically saying to the GOP that as long as they're an inch to the right of the communists, the Democrat, then they'll always have your vote.
[00:08:37]  So I understand their position.
[00:08:39]  And their position, like if we took a stand, you know, God can win by many or by few.
[00:08:42]  And who knows, in 20 to 50 years, God could radically change our nation.
[00:08:47]  My opinion is that in not 20 to 50, but in four years, I just talked to somebody who works at the border, border security, a couple days ago.
[00:08:57]  And he said that the numbers are way lower, that it's easily 35 to 40 million.
[00:09:02]  Wow.
[00:09:03]  And so their position is in 20 to 50 years, if we just didn't compromise and held the GOP, their feet to the fire, didn't give them our vote, then we would get.
[00:09:13]  You know, a Christian abolitionist presidential candidate.
[00:09:18]  And my position is that in four years, we won't have a country.
[00:09:22]  Will never win a single election ever again.
[00:09:24]  And in addition to abortion, you will also have military aged men.
[00:09:31]  13,000 of them, I think, have 13,700 crimes.
[00:09:34]  Crimes that are just homicide or something.
[00:09:36]  Well, that's just a homicide, I think.
[00:09:38]  And then more that were criminals that crossed the border and that we knew it.
[00:09:42]  And so we literally let murderers into the country.
[00:09:44]  So for me, right now, it's a vote between abortion.
[00:09:49]  It's not like abortion, and then Trump is a champion of pro life.
[00:09:53]  No, you got abortion in both cases.
[00:09:55]  One is with Trump, it's abortion and only abortion.
[00:09:59]  And the other one, it's abortion and also your wife might get stabbed to death.
[00:10:02]  Yep.
[00:10:03]  So I agree with the whole thing, but there's a narrow sliver of application.
[00:10:07]  Like, praise God for the brave representative senators that go up to the Senate, go up to the House, and they put a bill in and it says, You will treat every unborn child as bearing the image of God with equal protection.
[00:10:18]  And more and more of those bills, praise God, are being submitted.
[00:10:21]  And because of the work of abolitionists.
[00:10:23]  And that's the point, is.
[00:10:25]  Uh, conservatives, part of the reason we lose is because, um, we're always finding ways, uh, before we even come out to the battlefront to kill off half of our army before we even get there.
[00:10:37]  Um, what does the left do with their radicals?
[00:10:39]  They find ways to get them elected.
[00:10:41]  Yep, AOC has been an elected official for how long?
[00:10:45]  Six to eight years at this point, yeah, since she was like 14, you know, like, uh, you know, and Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders, forever, like straight up socialist, yeah, you know, like.
[00:10:55]  And he's.
[00:10:56]  And you'll never see Obama distancing himself.
[00:10:58]  You'll see talking heads like, well, we don't want to be on board with.
[00:11:01]  They'll take the vote.
[00:11:02]  They'll be happy to have them.
[00:11:03]  Turn a blind eye.
[00:11:04]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:11:04]  And that's the thing.
[00:11:05]  So it's, there is a, gosh, I hate this because I always think of Tim Keller and his compromise.
[00:11:11]  But there is a third way here.
[00:11:14]  You don't have to, when we say don't counter, don't shoot your own, that doesn't mean that you have to publicly herald them and esteem them.
[00:11:23]  Yes.
[00:11:24]  There are plenty of, you know, Democrats that have more social capital.
[00:11:30]  That would be very intentional not to share the stage with some of the most radical players on the field in their party.
[00:11:42]  But what they also won't do is they also won't try to score cheap points with suburban moms by publicly dismantling those guys.
[00:11:57]  In other words, they're not the Babylon Bee.
[00:11:59]  They're not Joel Berry.
[00:12:01]  And that's why they win.
[00:12:03]  And that's part of why there's a number of reasons why, to be fair, but that is one of the reasons why we continually lose is because, you know, we literally, the natural instinct of conservatives is to see this guy is right now getting a bunch of exposure and a lot of it is negative.
[00:12:23]  And I need to publicly join the mob in denouncing.
[00:12:28]  Yeah.
[00:12:28]  You know, it's like, well, what if he just was quoting Deuteronomy?
[00:12:33]  Doesn't matter.
[00:12:34]  Sounds pretty hypothetical.
[00:12:35]  No, this would never happen, you know, but it doesn't matter.
[00:12:38]  It doesn't matter.
[00:12:39]  Even if he's quoting scripture, then I have to say he quoted it the wrong way or he quoted it with the wrong tone or he, and all of a sudden, like a full grown, as far as we can tell, you know, physically, you know, in terms of autonomy or anatomy, a male immediately reverts into like a 35 year old soccer mom.
[00:12:59]  Yeah.
[00:13:00]  You know, and like, well, I didn't, I don't like your tone, you know, and, and, uh, And it's like, how does this happen?
[00:13:06]  And the answer is that's Republicans.
[00:13:09]  That's conservatives.
[00:13:11]  That's the way we function.
[00:13:12]  The left elects its radicals, the right cancels them.
[00:13:15]  The right cancels them.
[00:13:17]  And we don't use them.
[00:13:18]  So, real quick, just back to the abolitionists.
[00:13:21]  My point is that I think the abolitionists are an integral piece.
[00:13:29]  They're partners in the war.
[00:13:31]  And even beyond that, they're brothers in Christ that I believe are worthy of our love and our respect.
[00:13:37]  And you can disagree with their particular strategy in this particular election.
[00:13:44]  But what I've tried to do, and again, at first I came out pretty hot, but that was at this point probably four or five.
[00:13:52]  You know, months ago.
[00:13:53]  And what I've done since then is I did a public debate that went above and beyond to be charitable and kind with Ben Zysloff.
[00:14:00]  Did the same thing with David Reese, with Dusty Deavers multiple times.
[00:14:05]  Pick up the phone and just call him and keep our relationship strong.
[00:14:10]  James Silverman have messaged him offline telling him how much I appreciate him.
[00:14:15]  Jacob Miller in our church.
[00:14:16]  And so what I'm trying to do is remember that, you know, November 5th will come and go.
[00:14:21]  And, um, And we're going to need these guys.
[00:14:25]  These are some of our, because these are the kind of, here's the thing the abolitionist, when I was going viral over the last week and getting death threats and my phone just constantly ringing, people, we're coming for you.
[00:14:44]  You know who didn't retweet me calling me a monster?
[00:14:48]  Abolitionists.
[00:14:49]  Abolitionists were perfectly comfortable with the law word of God in Deuteronomy that if someone falsely accuses someone, Then, whatever the penalty and is found to be lying, then whatever the penalty would have been for the alleged oppressor, then that penalty falls on the fake victim instead.
[00:15:10]  The abolitionists are no strangers to that kind of courage, that kind of controversy.
[00:15:17]  And the abolitionists were the ones who were immediately in my corner.
[00:15:22]  And they're worthy of my public honor.
[00:15:25]  So I honor you guys who did that.
[00:15:26]  Thank you.
[00:15:27]  Yeah.
[00:15:27]  And so the point is, you need the radicals to, again, just go back to the movie.
[00:15:31]  You have Harvey Dent who is looking to be, and you can tell at one point that Bruce Wayne is looking at him.
[00:15:36]  He could be the new face of it.
[00:15:37]  I've cleaned up the underworld in many ways.
[00:15:39]  Maybe he could be the face of it and we could get back to this respectability.
[00:15:43]  Now, Harvey obviously leans into the grief and the revenge and he kills five people, kills two cops.
[00:15:47]  But Batman is the one that takes the fall for him.
[00:15:49]  And he says, My point is always to serve the city.
[00:15:52]  And if right now what the city needs is someone like this who can keep the credibility of the institutions going, Who can keep things running?
[00:15:59]  If that's the service, if that's who you need me to be, then I can do it.
[00:16:04]  And so, every movement you survey, the lot of it, you'll have 80%.
[00:16:08]  We'll get to them in the second segment.
[00:16:10]  They're company men, they're institution, they're police commissioners like Gordon.
[00:16:13]  Gordon isn't putting on a cape as police commissioner and beating up people with no due cost.
[00:16:18]  Batman is doing that.
[00:16:19]  You need Gordon to be Gordon.
[00:16:20]  You need the police.
[00:16:21]  You need SWAT.
[00:16:22]  You need all these things.
[00:16:23]  But when things get to a certain point, you need someone who can take the fall, who can say the things that need to be said to even skirt the rules and skirt the traditional way.
[00:16:32]  Of doing things.
[00:16:33]  And so Saul Linsky, he was a radical Jewish leftist, but he wrote Rules for Radicals, and he's got a lot of good stuff in there.
[00:16:41]  And his point in all of that is you need these people because they're going to be courageous.
[00:16:46]  Now, obviously, he's a leftist, so he's pushing leftist ideals, but they won.
[00:16:51]  So maybe we should learn a little bit from them.
[00:16:53]  In the same way, if we want to move things right, you're going to shift the Overton window over, you're going to need people that can.
[00:16:59]  We were talking about this and get into it people who can and who will.
[00:17:03]  So they have the means and they have the courage.
[00:17:06]  To say the things like you did to apply the word of God, to say the Bible actually says this about women being quiet and peaceable and dignified.
[00:17:16]  The Bible says this about false accusations of justice.
[00:17:19]  Here's how it would look in our current day.
[00:17:21]  And maybe you can't align with that.
[00:17:24]  You're talking about those who came to your fence.
[00:17:26]  Maybe if you're a state senator, maybe if you're a big media talking head, you just can't positively retweet, share all of those things.
[00:17:34]  But at the same time, you've got to give the radicals their due because they're the ones that are pushing the conversation.
[00:17:40]  Give them their due, or at minimum, just don't let them get it.
[00:17:43]  Don't join in publicly destroying them.
[00:17:45]  Go ahead.
[00:17:47]  I want to take a devil's advocate perspective here for a minute because there's a lot of people who will say, We want society to be different.
[00:17:58]  Right?
[00:17:59]  You look around and you see what's going on with society and you know there's a problem.
[00:18:04]  I don't think there's a conservative Christian out there who wouldn't look around and say, There are tremendous, serious, ghastly problems that we're dealing with as a church, as a nation.
[00:18:15]  It's widespread.
[00:18:16]  It's a cancer that is not just.
[00:18:19]  Moving quickly, but it's metastasized and spread through the whole body, right?
[00:18:22]  So we would look at this and we would say, There is a problem.
[00:18:24]  There's a serious problem.
[00:18:26]  And I sympathize with this view because my natural inclination is to have this view and I have to push against it.
[00:18:32]  It is to say, Well, but surely we don't need drastic measures, right?
[00:18:37]  To course correct, right?
[00:18:39]  Surely the ship is about to plow straight into the harbor at full steam, but we can just do two degrees to starboard, right?
[00:18:47]  Or we can just, you know, we can.
[00:18:50]  But so my point is, We are at the point in the evangelical church, in our society, in our nation, where things are bad.
[00:18:59]  Things are very bad.
[00:19:01]  And we will not course correct with the same institutional approach that got us into this position.
[00:19:09]  It's not just that we've been coasting kind of in an okay direction.
[00:19:13]  We just haven't been able to make any headway to the right or towards more faithful Christianity.
[00:19:17]  We've been moving the opposite direction under the rudder of the institutions that we've been following.
[00:19:22]  And so the respectable, traditional, You know, whatever you want to call that sort of normal civilized approach to the situation that we're in is not cutting it.
[00:19:32]  It hasn't been cutting it for a long time.
[00:19:35]  And we need people who will drag us in the opposite direction.
[00:19:39]  And the thing is, there's a lot of us who will look at the people like Joel, like others that we're going to mention here in a minute, and will say, I'm glad they're doing it.
[00:19:48]  I just hope that I don't have to have an opinion on the subject.
[00:19:53]  Right.
[00:19:54]  Right.
[00:19:54]  Yep.
[00:19:55]  Well said.
[00:19:56]  Real quick, I wanted to read a couple tweets that I sent to you guys that I put out a couple days ago because I think it helps articulate the overarching principle.
[00:20:05]  And then what we're going to do is in the second segment, we want to get into not just talking about this ministry, but talking about some other guys that we feel like play this role well and are worthy of your prayer and your support if you're able to do it.

=== Supporting Independently Wealthy (14:54) ===

[00:20:22]  If you're somebody who has some kind of insulation where you can publicly support them without losing your livelihood.
[00:20:30]  And then for many, even if you're in a situation where you have to be careful in terms of your public profile, guys who are still worthy of your prayer and your financial support.
[00:20:42]  Because ultimately, all these guys that we're going to list, and there's not many of them, but we're going to list a few of the best, they're all husbands and fathers.
[00:20:55]  Like they cannot do this if it means not being able to feed their children.
[00:21:02]  So, the only thing that allows guys to play the heel, to play the dark knight role, is being, at a practical level, financially insulated.
[00:21:15]  And there's different methods of going about that in the province of God and what God orchestrates in your life.
[00:21:23]  To stretch the analogy a little bit further, part of the reason Batman was able to do what he was able to do is because he was a billionaire.
[00:21:31]  That helps.
[00:21:33]  His superpower was.
[00:21:36]  Was being rich.
[00:21:37]  I mean, that's, that's, you know, and I think it's a little bit beyond that.
[00:21:40]  Like, obviously, he was highly disciplined, he worked really hard, all those kinds of things.
[00:21:44]  But, but it's not a coincidence that, you know, Batman didn't turn out to be, you know, a single 24 year old dude who lived in, you know, in his mom's basement.
[00:21:55]  Right.
[00:21:55]  He turned out to be like, you know, somebody who was extremely wealthy.
[00:21:59]  He was financially independent, independently wealthy.
[00:22:03]  And that afforded him the ability to do what he did.
[00:22:07]  And there's different ways of being independently wealthy.
[00:22:10]  Where you're not relying on some major, you know, Fortune 500 company to ultimately send you a check every other week to pay your mortgage and for groceries for your kids to be able to eat.
[00:22:25]  A guy who, you know, who works at some woke company is not, and most companies are woke, he is not going to be able to do the things that some of these guys are doing.
[00:22:38]  And so, anyways, I wrote the following.
[00:22:40]  I know my approach often gets me in trouble.
[00:22:42]  Believe it or not, I'm really not trying to self sabotage.
[00:22:46]  I'm simply trying to accept my assignment and play my part faithfully for the glory of Christ and the advancement of his kingdom.
[00:22:53]  There are plenty of guys who are actually super based, very courageous, much more than they publicly reveal.
[00:23:01]  However, they are company men, and that's not inherently a bad thing.
[00:23:05]  I don't mean that as an insult, not in this context.
[00:23:08]  Look, if we want to win, we can't just abandon every institution.
[00:23:12]  Someone has to strategically fight.
[00:23:15]  For the winnable institutions.
[00:23:16]  Some institutions do need to be abandoned, but some are winnable.
[00:23:21]  For example, I put OPC, PCA, SBC, et cetera.
[00:23:25]  And they need to be able to fight for these winnable institutions from the inside.
[00:23:30]  I have nothing but respect for these men.
[00:23:32]  I just accepted years ago that I'm not that guy.
[00:23:35]  I don't have an official seminary degree and never claimed to.
[00:23:39]  And I've never been a part of an official denomination, even as a child.
[00:23:43]  My dad was a pastor.
[00:23:45]  It was always non denominational.
[00:23:47]  The closest I got was being a part of a couple church networks.
[00:23:50]  Acts 29 was an example.
[00:23:51]  We left in 2018 because it was woke.
[00:23:55]  So I pulled the church out.
[00:23:57]  But that's the closest I've gotten to institutionalized.
[00:24:01]  And in other words, that's not very close.
[00:24:03]  I'm independent, and only because of the incredible generosity of so many of you financially supporting Right Response Ministries, and I would also say our local church, can I afford to play the heel, AKA the dark knight of Christendom.
[00:24:18]  But this is the key.
[00:24:20]  The good guys who are company men who need to keep their hands clean, which is completely respectable and permissible to do, are not obligated to join the heels when they're getting dragged by millions of people on the internet.
[00:24:34]  I will always sympathize and respect my brother's decision on this.
[00:24:38]  So, you know, this last week, just so you guys know, not once was I thinking, where is everybody?
[00:24:44]  Right?
[00:24:45]  All I mean, can't a guy.
[00:24:51]  Simply suggest the public execution of a handful of women?
[00:24:54]  Sheesh, what is the world coming to?
[00:24:56]  Where are you guys?
[00:24:57]  Why don't you have my back?
[00:24:58]  No, I'm not an idiot.
[00:25:00]  I realized that that is outside of the Overton window and where it currently is in the current discourse, public discourse.
[00:25:08]  And there's a lot of good Christian guys who I know agree with me because they know that I was ultimately quoting scripture, that it's a biblical principle.
[00:25:17]  And they agree with me.
[00:25:19]  But that clip went so viral and got so many views that they.
[00:25:25]  Over 5 million, just for context.
[00:25:26]  Over 5 million, yeah.
[00:25:28]  So not like viral by, you know, Reform standards.
[00:25:32]  We always forget how small we are, right?
[00:25:34]  It's like 150, 200,000 people, and it's all this echo chamber, and we're all fighting on the conference circuit to, you know, who's going to get, you know, the total market share of 8,000 people coming to their conference, you know?
[00:25:46]  Like, whoa, you know, big deal.
[00:25:49]  And meanwhile, you know, Charlie Kirk with TPUSA is like chuckling, you know, laughing, like, that's cute, you know, and Tucker Carlson.
[00:25:56]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:25:58]  And so that, you know, what we're trying to do, just for the record, is beyond just the reformed world.
[00:26:03]  That is our tradition theologically.
[00:26:05]  And historically, we love our Reformed fathers.
[00:26:08]  We are confessional, confessionally Reformed.
[00:26:11]  But even now, I'm doing everything that I can to partner and reach out to a lot of solid guys who are outside the Reformed tradition.
[00:26:20]  And some of them, not many, it would be about a minority, but some of them are even outside the Protestant tradition.
[00:26:25]  I think of Charles Haywood.
[00:26:27]  Talk about a dark night.
[00:26:28]  He's one of the ones that we can, you know, the soap baron.
[00:26:32]  You know, like he was independently wealthy, made a massive shampoo company.
[00:26:37]  Uh, in the just as a distributor, and then was able to sell it, and now, um, can say whatever he wants with impunity, yeah.
[00:26:45]  And he does.
[00:26:46]  And here's the thing, um, he could say anything he wants, and and yet he still is self controlled and he's not unhinged, he's intense, he's shocking for your average normie.
[00:27:00]  Um, the Worthy House, by the way, check him out.
[00:27:02]  The we've had him on the show a couple times, and of course, the reform guys get mad, like you had.
[00:27:07]  Because he's Eastern Orthodox.
[00:27:08]  Yeah, you had an Eastern Orthodox.
[00:27:10]  Yeah, what did I have him on the show to do?
[00:27:12]  To talk about justification by faith?
[00:27:13]  Right.
[00:27:15]  No, no, I had him on the show to talk about politics.
[00:27:18]  I'd like to have more Reform guys, but guess what?
[00:27:20]  All the Reform guys have spurned and cast off completely the political theology of all their Reform fathers.
[00:27:26]  So sorry, I have to go outside of the Reform tradition if I'm talking to people who are currently alive, because within the Reform tradition of people currently alive, all the currently living Reform guys hate Reformed political theology.
[00:27:39]  Right.
[00:27:40]  That's not my fault.
[00:27:41]  I didn't make that decision.
[00:27:42]  So, anyways, Charles Haywood is, he's one of the good ones.
[00:27:45]  So, the good guys who are company men, which is not inherently a bad thing, they need to keep their hands clean.
[00:27:51]  They did not come to my rescue this last week.
[00:27:54]  And that is perfectly understandable.
[00:27:57]  Perfectly understandable.
[00:27:58]  Some of these guys, they've got a job.
[00:28:00]  If they had retweeted that, they would have risked being fired.
[00:28:04]  They can't do it.
[00:28:06]  They can't.
[00:28:07]  Well, just, and this is the thing there's a difference between our radicals and ideologues.
[00:28:13]  What we're not advocating, even I, believe it or not, you think I'm radical.
[00:28:16]  I'm not an ideologue.
[00:28:17]  You should explain the difference between those two, real quick.
[00:28:20]  Okay.
[00:28:21]  So, an ideologue is somebody who it's kind of a one size fits all, an overgeneralization, regardless of the circumstances.
[00:28:29]  So, whatever God providentially puts in our path, no matter what it is, it's always got to be the same kind of solution.
[00:28:38]  I'm going to stick to this no matter what.
[00:28:39]  And if anything changes, you know, it doesn't matter.
[00:28:44]  The ideologue is often what I think it was Francis, who, you know, Beautiful Losers.
[00:28:50]  The guy who, it's literally a book, I think.
[00:28:53]  Oh.
[00:28:53]  You mean, not Schaefer?
[00:28:56]  No.
[00:28:57]  There's a guy who loved it.
[00:28:58]  Guy, he wrote off the deep end a little bit, yeah, probably.
[00:29:01]  Um, but Francis Chan, no, that's uh, no, it's it's not a pastor, it's a political guy.
[00:29:10]  He wrote a book called Uh, Beautiful Losers.
[00:29:12]  I want to say Sam Francis, but um, isn't that who's him?
[00:29:21]  I, I, I That, you know, the idea, ideological mentalities often is a one size fits all.
[00:29:39]  So, like, for instance, and I bought into some of this two, three years ago, where I was coming out of, you know, some of my normie apathy.
[00:29:51]  And then what you do is you think, this is it, this is the ticket.
[00:29:55]  I remember thinking eschatology.
[00:29:57]  Yeah.
[00:29:57]  So, you know, like a lot of us, you guys who follow this ministry, probably a lot of you had the same idea.
[00:30:03]  A lot of you probably got it from me.
[00:30:05]  Um, you know, and it wasn't unique to me.
[00:30:07]  I got it from Doug Wilson, from others, you know, from um, guys like Brian Sauvay, and all.
[00:30:12]  And it's like, you know, uh, here's the ticket the problem is dispensational premillennialism.
[00:30:18]  Um, and that's that's really everything, uh, can be faulted there, everything can be uh tracked back to dispensational premillennialism.
[00:30:25]  The world is Jesus is going to come back next Thursday, and things are destined by God to get worse and worse until um, until he does come back.
[00:30:32]  And the only thing that has really any value in in kind of um, Kind of working as a catalyst to speed up the return of Christ is global missions.
[00:30:41]  So we're not going to leave an inheritance to our children.
[00:30:44]  We're going to give it to David Platt instead.
[00:30:48]  And we're going to sell our house and not have a mortgage and not build any wealth.
[00:30:53]  And we're actually going to, in many ways, distance ourselves from political power, from institutional power, from money, from all these different things.
[00:31:04]  And just be a, instead of a tax farm, what will be a tithe farm for global missions.
[00:31:10]  Meanwhile, our own nation is becoming increasingly atheist.
[00:31:13]  And so, and I think it is true.
[00:31:16]  That still rings true.
[00:31:18]  I can say, yeah, a lot of what happened in America and its downgrade, which has happened before World War II, just for the record.
[00:31:25]  But since World War II, I think there was an even further expediting of this downward spiral, this denigration.
[00:31:33]  And I think a big part of it was after two world wars, a lot of guys came back and were like, there is no God.
[00:31:40]  There can't be this much suffering in the world.
[00:31:44]  And if there is a God, it's the disbe pre millennial one.
[00:31:48]  It's that God.
[00:31:49]  It's the one where things get worse and worse.
[00:31:50]  And then Jesus finally comes back in the bottom of the ninth and saves the day as the church is on the ropes about to tap out.
[00:31:56]  And if there's any God that exists at all, it's that God.
[00:32:00]  And so, from the 1940s onward, for the last 80 years, especially the last 60 years, that's where we've been.
[00:32:07]  But here's my point I then took that, and there's a lot of truth in it.
[00:32:11]  But I tried to make it a dogma, an absolute truth.
[00:32:15]  So the only good guys are postmillennial.
[00:32:18]  The only answer to all of our problems is just having the right eschatology.
[00:32:23]  It's a single variable analysis of all things.
[00:32:26]  Exactly.
[00:32:27]  But then come to find out, as I stepped into that postmillennial world, and just for the record, to put everybody at ease, I have no intention of leaving.
[00:32:36]  I really am, because I really became convinced of it exegetically from the biblical text.
[00:32:42]  So I am postmillennial and I'm not ashamed of it.
[00:32:44]  But here's what I realized.
[00:32:46]  At first, it was like, oh my goodness, this is the golden ticket.
[00:32:48]  Run home, Charlie.
[00:32:50]  And then I realized a couple years in, oh, you can be post millennial and still be just as apathetic.
[00:32:56]  So instead of Jesus coming back next Thursday, therefore, I don't really need to do anything except for personal evangelism.
[00:33:01]  Jesus is now coming back 50,000 years from now.
[00:33:06]  But in terms of on the ground, the way that that applies is actually corporate needs you to tell the difference between these two pictures.
[00:33:14]  It's the same picture in terms of practical day to day living.
[00:33:18]  How do you live if everything's going to burn and Jesus is coming back next week?
[00:33:23]  And it's not supposed to get better versus how you live if everything's going to get better, but 50,000 years from now.
[00:33:31]  And it's basically the same.
[00:33:35]  The way you lived is the same.
[00:33:36]  It can be.
[00:33:38]  And so my point is that's a good example of ideology.
[00:33:41]  I think abolitionism can be ideological.
[00:33:44]  Some of those guys are not that way.
[00:33:46]  Some of them are.
[00:33:47]  That would be the difference of guys who would wear the moniker like me or Ady Robles or Andrew Isker or.
[00:33:55]  You know, some of the Ogden guys that would say, yeah, like we are abolitionists in the sense that we believe in equal weights and equal measures.
[00:34:03]  We believe there should be just bills.
[00:34:07]  You can't say, well, you can murder your baby on Wednesday, but not on Thursday.
[00:34:11]  We believe in equal protections.
[00:34:13]  So we do believe that the woman who chooses to murder her child, that she should receive capital punishment, that that's a just law.
[00:34:22]  And any man in her life, a father or a husband or a boyfriend or whatever that coerces her, In that he too would receive the death penalty.
[00:34:31]  And so that is our position.
[00:34:34]  But where does it apply?
[00:34:37]  It's like whack a mole, you know, like where it's just the, you know, or not even whack a mole, but like if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
[00:34:47]  So it's like, I think abolitionism is true.
[00:34:51]  I don't think on November 5th, I'm not thinking I'm an abolitionist.
[00:34:58]  And I'm also not thinking on November 5th, I'm post millennial.
[00:35:03]  I'm thinking on November 5th, as most days in my life, I'm a Christian.
[00:35:09]  It's much broader and not this narrow ideological dogma that is a one size fits all where all I have is a hammer.

=== Beyond Narrow Ideology (05:56) ===

[00:35:16]  I have multiple tools.
[00:35:18]  I looked over there because I have a toolbox over there, but multiple tools in my toolbox.
[00:35:22]  And sometimes it's a hammer, sometimes it's something else.
[00:35:24]  So I think that's the idea of, but the radical piece is in every scenario, always.
[00:35:32]  Always saying, okay, where does reasonable discourse end?
[00:35:35]  What's the furthest edge?
[00:35:38]  And then trying to push that edge a little bit further, so long as we're still actually off of what the Bible would say is right and pushing.
[00:35:47]  So constantly pushing the edge, but I'm not always pushing the edge with a hammer.
[00:35:53]  Sometimes it's a screwdriver, sometimes it's some other tool.
[00:35:56]  And it's not just, well, post mill, post mill, abolitionism, abolition.
[00:36:00]  It's no, the Bible's a big book.
[00:36:02]  Christianity is a rich faith and applying all those things.
[00:36:06]  Yeah.
[00:36:07]  I have a thought, Michael.
[00:36:08]  Anything to add before the break?
[00:36:09]  I was just going to say, I was in the military for four years.
[00:36:11]  And what's interesting about the military is we've used the idea of a beachhead before.
[00:36:15]  You can imagine the enemy's position, the enemy's strength as a beachhead, and you have a landing force, your main landing force, 40,000, 50,000 people strong.
[00:36:25]  That's where the main firepower is.
[00:36:26]  You're not going to send some SEALs in there or whatever, but there's different stages of your advanced force.
[00:36:31]  There's even a concept in the military, not a concept, but an actual thing called deniable operations.
[00:36:37]  There are guys that are so top secret that you send them in, and if they die or they get captured, the United States government would deny that they exist.
[00:36:43]  Then you would have a group like the Navy SEALs, which the government would acknowledge, but they're not landing on the beach with the main force.
[00:36:50]  They're not tasked with the whole big mission.
[00:36:52]  Then you have a broader, more advanced force.
[00:36:54]  This would be like Rangers or Marine Force Recon.
[00:36:57]  And then you have the actual landing force, the big guns, the artillery, the Navy, and everything like that.
[00:37:01]  And so it could be helpful sometimes to think of different groups and different guys in those types of categories.
[00:37:06]  The main force is going to be the one that demolishes the enemy in the final analysis.
[00:37:11]  But before you're landing the main force, you're prepping the area, you're sabotaging their artillery.
[00:37:15]  You're getting into their comms.
[00:37:17]  You're intercepting transmissions.
[00:37:18]  You're doing all of these things ahead of time at different scale with different groups.
[00:37:22]  Some of them you're not even acknowledging they exist.
[00:37:24]  All of them preparing the way so that, for example, it's time to come against the idea of racism.
[00:37:30]  Matt Walsh, am I a racist?
[00:37:31]  There's guys that have been laying the groundwork for like eight years.
[00:37:34]  Hey, this idea of racism comes from critical race theory, which is a very secular and progressive origin.
[00:37:39]  Those guys got castigated for it.
[00:37:41]  They were small, they didn't have support.
[00:37:43]  Some of them, I don't even know that they exist.
[00:37:45]  But by the time that they'd done enough work, a group like the Daily Wire, Normie, conservative, makes a documentary that is the top 40 grossing documentary of all time.
[00:37:55]  That movie could not have come out five years ago in 2019.
[00:37:59]  They would have lost subscribers.
[00:38:00]  People would not have gone to see it.
[00:38:02]  Daily Wire has gone too far.
[00:38:03]  Instead, they put it out at the right time, made millions of dollars, tons of people saw it, and it changed the conversation like, hey, hang on, maybe we have been guilted a little bit by this.
[00:38:13]  But the point is that all of these different stages, you have groups that are preparing the landing for the main force.
[00:38:19]  We've talked about this with mainstream evangelicalism, whatever it is.
[00:38:23]  That actually have the firepower that I'm going to do most damage.
[00:38:25]  And I guess I will add something there, Wes.
[00:38:27]  And that is people who don't realize that we are in that sort of war are the ones who get really nervous about some of those recon people or the SEALs or the Black Ops.
[00:38:46]  And so either you don't realize that we're in a war of that nature right now for the soul of our nation and the evangelical church in the West.
[00:38:54]  Or.
[00:38:55]  You don't think that there's anything that can be done apart from praying and fasting.
[00:39:00]  Exactly.
[00:39:01]  Right.
[00:39:01]  And so, if that's you, you don't realize that we're in this kind of a war, or you're convinced that nothing that we do matters anyway, then yes, of course, you're going to be very, very nervous about all of this.
[00:39:12]  Right.
[00:39:12]  On the other hand, if you believe that God has given us means, no one's perfect, no one has a crystal ball, no one knows exactly what's around the corner, but God has given us means and that it's noble and honorable to fight for our faith and for our nation.
[00:39:25]  Then, yes, some people are going to have to be out in front and some people are not.
[00:39:29]  Right.
[00:39:29]  Yeah, not everybody's going to be out front, but everybody who's a part of the team should appreciate the guys who are out front.
[00:39:38]  The guys who are out front are already going to get plenty of vitriol and pushback.
[00:39:45]  The last thing they need is their own team shooting them in the back.
[00:39:48]  Ending rope to the enemy.
[00:39:49]  You caught some spies, we'll help you hang them.
[00:39:52]  Right.
[00:39:52]  I got it.
[00:39:52]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:39:53]  And so, like, that's, yeah.
[00:39:55]  On the wokeness thing, real quick, am I racist with Matt Walsh?
[00:39:59]  Just to name a couple guys worthy of honor, Ada Robles and John Harris led the way with that.
[00:40:05]  So, like Meg Basham, Shepherds for Sale.
[00:40:11]  I enjoyed her book best the first time I read it when John Harris wrote it years ahead of time.
[00:40:18]  And here's the thing you need a John Harris so that one day a suburban blonde mom can take down all of Big E. With daily wire ties.
[00:40:30]  Yeah, with daily wire ties.
[00:40:31]  Institutional ties, exactly.
[00:40:33]  So, you're going to have a blonde haired suburban mom with ties to the Daily Wire take down single handedly, seemingly single handedly, take down all of Big Eva, making a mockery of J.D. Greer, making a mockery of all these different guys.
[00:40:50]  The Ortlands.
[00:40:51]  And praise the Ortlands and praise God for it.
[00:40:55]  I'm on the sidelines just watching.
[00:40:57]  It's glorious.
[00:40:58]  I love it.
[00:40:59]  However, my deepest appreciation will always go to Ady Robles and John Harris, the guys who did it first.
[00:41:08]  I've said this so many times, but I think it merits saying it again.

=== Killing the Prophets First (15:21) ===

[00:41:13]  Israel always killed the prophets, but they didn't kill the prophets for being right.
[00:41:19]  They killed the prophets for being first.
[00:41:22]  And it's like, what do you mean?
[00:41:23]  No, they killed them because they disagreed with the truth that they were speaking.
[00:41:28]  They killed them because they were right.
[00:41:31]  Well, that truth that they were speaking, all of the people who killed those prophets, all of their sons, generations down the line, all claimed to love that truth.
[00:41:41]  They built tombs to honor the prophets.
[00:41:44]  Of course, Jeremiah was a prophet.
[00:41:46]  Of course, he spoke the truth.
[00:41:48]  And we agree with him 100%.
[00:41:52]  Eventually, that's how it always works.
[00:41:55]  That's how it always works.
[00:41:56]  Anytime something changes politically, culturally, anytime there's big change, eventually what will happen is you know you have victory when people, well, you know you have victory when conservatives, or when I should say progressives, feel the way conservatives feel right now.
[00:42:15]  How do conservatives feel right now?
[00:42:16]  Scared.
[00:42:18]  I can't say that.
[00:42:20]  That's what we want, but in the other direction.
[00:42:23]  Like somebody said the other day, he was on X, he's a sodomite.
[00:42:30]  And he was like, Well, I'm for freedom and blah, blah, blah.
[00:42:34]  And I said, Well, and he's like, My ancestors have been here since the Revolutionary War and they fought for my freedom.
[00:42:40]  I said, I guarantee you, not one of your ancestors died.
[00:42:45]  For you to have the freedom of having butt sex with another dude.
[00:42:48]  That's number one.
[00:42:49]  Then, secondly, though, I saw in the comments with other guys, and then I just, that was enough.
[00:42:54]  I dropped my bomb and got out.
[00:42:57]  But with other guys, I saw people saying, like, well, if, you know, because they were Christian nationalists talking about, like, this is what we envision for a God fearing country that would be good for all people, even non Christians would fare better.
[00:43:09]  And he was like, it wouldn't be better for me.
[00:43:15]  What would happen to me?
[00:43:17]  And somebody said on it, and it was so wise and truthful and wise and good.
[00:43:22]  He said, What would happen to you is that you would have to go back into the closet and you could maintain your filthy, degenerate habit privately in darkness and secret, but with a shame, knowing that if you come out into the public sphere with that, that you would receive certain penalties, cultural penalties.
[00:43:47]  And by God's grace, eventually, Civil penalties, as we have had in these United States not that long ago, on the books, still technically on the books in Texas.
[00:43:56]  You know how there were certain laws that, like when Roe got overturned, it would revert back to these trigger laws?
[00:44:01]  There are trigger laws still on the books against sodomy and these kinds of things.
[00:44:07]  And so we're talking about something that has been done before.
[00:44:10]  It's been done here before, and it's been done not that long ago before.
[00:44:15]  And that doesn't mean, just for the record, that doesn't mean that you're going in your Hunting.
[00:44:19]  Rounding them up.
[00:44:20]  Yeah.
[00:44:20]  You're not going into people's homes.
[00:44:22]  It's not the thought police, the secret.
[00:44:24]  It's not a minority report, you know, with Tom Cruise, like trying to predict a crime before it happens or find a secret.
[00:44:30]  But what you are saying is public parades.
[00:44:35]  Pride parades.
[00:44:36]  In New York City with guys shaking their genitals in the faces of children.
[00:44:42]  Yeah.
[00:44:43]  Yeah.
[00:44:43]  That one, that one, you're going to jail.
[00:44:46]  Yep.
[00:44:47]  Of course you're going to jail.
[00:44:49]  That is like, and I pray for that day.
[00:44:54]  And as the whole point of this episode, work in practical ways.
[00:44:58]  Toward that day, either as a company man, kind of behind the scenes a little bit, or as a dark night radical, if you're a Christian, you're not praying and working toward that day, then at best you're an immature believer that doesn't really understand the scripture and its application.
[00:45:18]  So, all this means that whether it's wokeness, John Harris and Ady Robles fought the good fight.
[00:45:24]  And it was guys like them, they weren't the only ones, but they were very few.
[00:45:28]  Very few.
[00:45:29]  I joined in the fray towards the end of 2018.
[00:45:33]  I remember thinking, man, I remember feeling embarrassed.
[00:45:37]  Like, man, I'm late.
[00:45:40]  And little did I know that what I didn't count, and here's the reality I was late.
[00:45:46]  And I think a lot of that shame was good.
[00:45:47]  I was like, I had a sneaking suspicion sooner, and I should have been more educated sooner.
[00:45:52]  So I really was late.
[00:45:53]  And some of the shame I felt, I think, actually was Holy Spirit wrought conviction.
[00:45:59]  It doesn't look as bad now, is not because I didn't really make a mistake, not because I really wasn't late.
[00:46:04]  I only look decent by comparison because you can always count on 99% of evangelicals being worse.
[00:46:12]  That's the only reason Joel looks like a hero, you know, is because the lay of the land is just in such poor shape.
[00:46:18]  So, anyways, yeah, you need your radicals, and those are guys worthy of support.
[00:46:24]  Seriously, not just us, but you guys should consider.
[00:46:29]  Right now, if you're listening, you should consider going and making a donation to John Harris.
[00:46:34]  Go to Conversations That Matter or go to TruthScript.
[00:46:37]  That's his organization that he and his brother, David Harris, are trying to get off the ground.
[00:46:42]  You should get behind those guys.
[00:46:45]  It's like, well, I don't know if they're really making, I don't know if TruthScript is making that much headway.
[00:46:50]  Well, I'll tell you what it is doing.
[00:46:53]  TruthScript is paving the way so that the Daily Wire, Five to eight years later, can go and drop 40,000, 50,000 soldiers on the beach and take it out.
[00:47:09]  We do not yet realize the importance of the beachhead.
[00:47:14]  We don't yet realize the importance of the first soldiers that you send onto the field.
[00:47:21]  Because if no one's first, then no one will come at all.
[00:47:24]  The reason why the prophets were killed, back to that, it's not because they were right, because later on that became common knowledge in Israel.
[00:47:30]  Of course, Isaiah is right.
[00:47:32]  Course, Jeremiah is right.
[00:47:33]  We never would have said he was wrong.
[00:47:35]  Yeah, you would.
[00:47:36]  And this is how you know everybody who's like, we would have stood up against the transatlantic slave trade.
[00:47:44]  Well, are you standing up right now against anti white discrimination on the books in our universities?
[00:47:51]  Because if you're not, you would have been for slavery.
[00:47:55]  I was going to say you'd be a slave owner, but honestly, you probably wouldn't because most of the slave owners were successful and you'd probably be a loser and wouldn't be able to force it.
[00:48:04]  But you would have been for slavery, guaranteed.
[00:48:07]  If you're not standing up now, you wouldn't have stood up then.
[00:48:10]  That's Jesus's point.
[00:48:12]  Those are the words of Christ.
[00:48:13]  That's the best metric.
[00:48:14]  That's what he says your fathers killed the prophets.
[00:48:17]  And how do I know that you would have joined them if you lived back then and killed Jeremiah and Isaiah?
[00:48:21]  Because you're trying to now kill me.
[00:48:23]  Yep.
[00:48:24]  And so that's what generations always do.
[00:48:26]  Charles Spurgeon, the downgrade controversy, he was censured by his denomination a vote of something like 1,004 to 5.
[00:48:34]  Wow.
[00:48:34]  Because he raised the alarm about, hey, when we do missions, we can't downgrade our theology.
[00:48:39]  Just, you know, build a church, build a school.
[00:48:41]  And so about it was five votes, including his own brother, against him.
[00:48:44]  Five to 1,000 about at the end of his life.
[00:48:47]  So about five, no, smaller.
[00:48:50]  It would be like half of a percent.
[00:48:52]  Yeah, half of a percent.
[00:48:53]  So half a percent sided with him.
[00:48:56]  And then 99.5% cited against.
[00:48:59]  So just take the lay of the land.
[00:49:01]  All right, apply that to current Baptists.
[00:49:02]  If anything, the vote would be even worse now.
[00:49:04]  It'd be way worse.
[00:49:05]  But we love Charles Spurgeon, and rightfully so.
[00:49:08]  Because this is what we love.
[00:49:10]  This is who cowards love.
[00:49:12]  Cowards love people who are safe.
[00:49:16]  And courage is never safe.
[00:49:19]  I think of Aslan, lying the witch in the wardrobe.
[00:49:23]  Is Aslan safe?
[00:49:24]  Right.
[00:49:25]  He's a lion.
[00:49:25]  Of course he isn't safe.
[00:49:27]  But he's good.
[00:49:27]  He's good.
[00:49:28]  He's good.
[00:49:29]  And so, but cowards don't love good men.
[00:49:34]  They love safe men.
[00:49:36]  And good men are never safe.
[00:49:38]  Truly good men are masculine men.
[00:49:42]  And true, godly, biblical masculinity is not safe.
[00:49:48]  It's good.
[00:49:49]  It's honest.
[00:49:51]  It's virtuous.
[00:49:53]  But it's also, in every right sense of the term, dangerous.
[00:49:57]  It's righteously dangerous.
[00:49:59]  Dangerous.
[00:50:00]  Now, you can, though, cowards can appreciate good men once one significant factor comes into play.
[00:50:07]  Once they've been safely buried six feet under dirt.
[00:50:10]  Right.
[00:50:10]  Because then that good man is now safe.
[00:50:14]  And that's why people love Charles Spurgeon.
[00:50:15]  If Charles Spurgeon, my brother in Christ, if Charles Spurgeon was alive today, you would hate him.
[00:50:22]  You would hate him.
[00:50:22]  Co author Friedrich Engels of the Communist Manifesto.
[00:50:25]  I went and looked this up.
[00:50:25]  I didn't just take someone's word for it.
[00:50:27]  His daughter on his deathbed was asking him different questions, and she asked him, Who do you hate most?
[00:50:31]  This is the co author with Karl Marx of the Communist Manifesto.
[00:50:35]  One word he said, Spurgeon.
[00:50:38]  The man who authored that heinous piece of trash, he hated that preacher in London.
[00:50:44]  And notice this isn't just an atheist on religious or anti religious grounds saying, I hate Spurgeon because he convinces people that there's a God.
[00:50:55]  No, this is a political figure with real political, institutional, tangible power.
[00:51:01]  Not just arguing about religion and theory and theology, but someone who believed that material is all that mattered.
[00:51:08]  Somebody who absolutely cares about the tangible temporal things of this world.
[00:51:14]  And he was saying, This Baptist preacher makes things really difficult for me.
[00:51:21]  This guy makes it really hard for me to be able to, in a wicked fashion, accrue temporal earthly power.
[00:51:29]  Think about that today.
[00:51:32]  So do the equivalent.
[00:51:36]  Who would say that?
[00:51:36]  Would Bernie Sanders on his deathbed, if somebody, who do you hate the most?
[00:51:40]  Would he say, I want to be careful here because I don't want to name guys.
[00:51:48]  I'll just keep it general.
[00:51:50]  If Bernie Sanders on his deathbed, who wants America to become a socialist hellhole, that's his dying passion.
[00:51:59]  That's literally what he's done with his life.
[00:52:02]  On his deathbed, if someone said, who was the biggest impediment to you?
[00:52:07]  Who do you despise with every fiber of your being?
[00:52:11]  Do you think he's going to say the Reformed pastors of America?
[00:52:17]  Right.
[00:52:18]  Nancy Pelosi is fine with the reformed pastors of America.
[00:52:22]  She's even fine with the Catholic Church.
[00:52:23]  Because they do nothing.
[00:52:26]  Nothing.
[00:52:27]  You know who they're not fine with?
[00:52:29]  And this is an indictment.
[00:52:30]  It is to our shame as Christians.
[00:52:32]  Who they're not fine with is a guy who just realized in 2022 that Democrats might not be the party of compassion and kindness Elon Musk.
[00:52:47]  Elon Musk.
[00:52:48]  The dumbest smart guy who's maybe ever lived.
[00:52:53]  He's got to be smart.
[00:52:54]  I recognize his, but he's also got to be dumb.
[00:52:57]  You're talking about a guy who, um, he he literally tweeted out, I remember it was 2022.
[00:53:05]  This is like two years ago.
[00:53:06]  And he's like, um, when he came out as you know, conservative, even that, right?
[00:53:12]  You know, broadly Republican supported, just right.
[00:53:15]  Not, he came out and he was like, um, I, I, this will be the first time that I will not be voting Democrat.
[00:53:21]  I always voted for them in the past because I thought that Democrats were the party of kindness and compassion.
[00:53:27]  Right.
[00:53:27]  It's literally what he said.
[00:53:29]  Imagine 2022 thinking that the Democrat Party that burned down half of the country and mostly peaceful riots, that they were the party of kindness and compassion.
[00:53:40]  And this isn't like somebody who realized in 2022 because they were 14.
[00:53:44]  This is a grown man.
[00:53:45]  Right, right, right.
[00:53:46]  Connected, connected grown man.
[00:53:48]  Yeah.
[00:53:48]  So my point is, and yet this guy, Okay, so beat up Elon enough, probably.
[00:53:55]  But yet, this guy who just realized that maybe Democrats aren't the good guys two years ago realized that this guy is making more trouble for Democrats today than just about anybody else.
[00:54:11]  And he's doing it because of power.
[00:54:14]  Yeah, Stryker's right.
[00:54:16]  Because what did he say?
[00:54:17]  Elon has real power.
[00:54:18]  I mean, most of the Reformed Baptist churches don't have the level of power that he has, right?
[00:54:23]  He has real power.
[00:54:24]  But here's the thing.
[00:54:26]  Most Christians don't have power.
[00:54:27]  It's one thing if we just couldn't help it.
[00:54:29]  It's like, well, look, we can't do as much as Elon because we don't have a trillion dollars.
[00:54:34]  Fair point.
[00:54:35]  But what I would want to ask is why?
[00:54:37]  Because it's one thing if it's simply just written in the stars and there's nothing that you can do about it.
[00:54:43]  But I want to argue, I think that it's fair to argue that Elon, yes, of course he has more power, more money and influence and power than Christians today.
[00:54:54]  But I think there's a reason why.
[00:54:56]  I think Christians have abdicated power.
[00:54:58]  Absolutely.
[00:54:59]  That we all, myself included, could have been more powerful if from a young age we didn't read books like Radical.
[00:55:06]  Right.
[00:55:07]  I mean, Radical, like Bernie Sanders on his deathbed, he's going to say, Who do you hate most?
[00:55:14]  Elon Musk.
[00:55:15]  Who do you appreciate most?
[00:55:16]  David Platt.
[00:55:17]  Yeah.
[00:55:18]  Like if there's anyone who got millions of people in the country to willingly give up power, give away your money, Give away your prestige, give away your influence, give away your institutions, give away everything so that the Marxist and socialist like Bernie Sanders can just run freely over the whole country and have it all.
[00:55:37]  Yeah.
[00:55:38]  I mean, very few people deserve more credit for that than David Platt.
[00:55:41]  Yeah.
[00:55:41]  Yeah.
[00:55:42]  I mean, that guy, I don't know.
[00:55:43]  Maybe Bernie Sanders paid him.
[00:55:45]  Maybe he should be getting royalties.
[00:55:47]  Yeah.
[00:55:48]  He should be getting royalties for his book, Radical, from communists.
[00:55:52]  They should be paying the root because very few have paved the way for communists more than David Platt.
[00:55:58]  So let's get to this quote.
[00:55:59]  It's from Saul Alinsky.
[00:56:01]  Really good.
[00:56:01]  Again, he's a leftist radical, but he has good things about power.
[00:56:04]  And then we'll head to a commercial break.
[00:56:05]  Do you have that quote, Nate?
[00:56:07]  All right.
[00:56:08]  So Saul Alinsky says change comes from power, and power comes from organization.
[00:56:13]  In order to act, people must get together.
[00:56:16]  Power is the reason for being of organizations.
[00:56:19]  You bring people together, you coalesce them, not so you can have tea, not so you can smoke cigars, to change things, to drive power, to exert your will, a godly will and a good will, but your will nonetheless.
[00:56:32]  Let's go to the first commercial break and then we'll talk some more.

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[00:59:06]  So, we talked about why you need your radicals.
[00:59:07]  You need guys that are pushing the envelope.
[00:59:09]  They need to be financially stable and independent to be able to do what they do.
[00:59:13]  But here's the deal, and it took me a while to realize this you need your company men to.
[00:59:18]  And what we mean by that, again, is not a denigration, it's not a negativity thing.
[00:59:22]  Take an organization.
[00:59:23]  There's a principle in statistics called the Pareto Principle, which is 20% of anything typically does 80% of the work, of the resources, of this, that, or the other.
[00:59:31]  In any given company, on average, not every single case, there's about 20% of people that will do the bulk, about 80% of the work.
[00:59:39]  And so, the same way, if you think about a church or a parachurch organization or a ministry or a business or a political group, 80% of the research, the fundraising, the energy, the effort, the creating content, doing all that, Is going to be done not actually typically by the radicals, the entrepreneurs, and the guys pushing the conversation.
[01:00:00]  They're going to be done by good, faithful, stable, godly men.
[01:00:03]  And this isn't comparing, well, there's the radicals and then there's the boring guys.
[01:00:08]  No, you need those men.
[01:00:09]  You need them all over the place.
[01:00:11]  You need them on elder boards.
[01:00:12]  You need them in your business, showing up to work on time every day.
[01:00:16]  You need them in ministry, maybe not necessarily as leaders, not the ones leading the initiatives, not the ones making decisions, all of the decisions.
[01:00:24]  But the good company men, especially ones that are embedded, like we talked about PCA, the OPC, Presbyterian church structures, those men, they could be kicked out of the PCA, lose their income for publicly supporting you, or they could spend 20 years sitting on committees, sitting on sessions.
[01:00:43]  Interviewing seminary candidates for ministry and bringing all their beliefs that they agree with and applying them practically.
[01:00:50]  So, as you're thinking about the radicals and the guys that, you know, they're a little tough to be associated with, don't also forget that we need tons of stable guys, tons of company men that are good, solid, faithful men and who are just behind those radicals who are the beachhead.
[01:01:07]  Like that 40 to 50,000 that we talked about that comes and lands on the beach and actually secures it.
[01:01:12]  Okay, maybe your special ops team is 50 or 100 or whatever, but by proportion, It's mostly made up of regiments, your corporals, your sergeants, the rank and file guys.
[01:01:24]  And so, if God made you to be a radical, this is what I'll say.
[01:01:27]  If God made you to be the radical, praise God, play that role.
[01:01:30]  But if He didn't, you don't have to force it.
[01:01:33]  If God made you to be the company man and to work hard at the nine to five or whatever it is, the godliest thing you could do is to do that thing that God has given you and not try to manufacture a personality or something to be the radical that is an honorable role.
[01:01:47]  Praise God for the radicals.
[01:01:49]  But there's all the honor as well to be had in.
[01:01:51]  Faithfully playing the role God has given you, which statistically is going to be 80, 85, 90% of you.
[01:01:57]  And the majority of you are company men.
[01:01:59]  And that's a good thing.
[01:02:00]  There's nothing wrong with that.
[01:02:01]  So if you're wondering, like, what am I?
[01:02:03]  Am I a radical?
[01:02:04]  Am I like the majority of people are normal?
[01:02:07]  That's why we have the word normal.
[01:02:09]  It represents the majority.
[01:02:12]  That's who the majority are.
[01:02:13]  And so there's nothing wrong with that.
[01:02:15]  And you're able to make real change, but doing it.
[01:02:23]  In a steady fashion, in a faithful and steady, ongoing, consistent fashion over long periods of time.
[01:02:30]  Like, if you, you know, like you said, if you sit on the board of a seminary or for a denomination and you actually have the ability to send all these guys who are coming, if somebody else was in your seat, in your position of power, you'd get this Marxist on staff and you'd get this, you know, person who's compromised.
[01:02:49]  And you're able to send those people away and slowly but surely fire certain individuals, hiring certain individuals.
[01:02:55]  I mean, that's what it is, you know.
[01:02:56]  It's back to the friend enemy distinction of rewarding friends and crushing enemies.
[01:03:02]  And when we say crushing, we don't mean, you know, as vigilantes, as a literal Batman in the night going and killing people.
[01:03:09]  We're saying crushing them in every capacity that is fitting with the law of God, meaning financially.
[01:03:17]  We want to crush our enemies.
[01:03:19]  One way is to not patron certain companies and certain individuals who are wicked and want to ruin the country, you know.
[01:03:28]  So, like, You have the opportunity to reward friends and crush enemies every time you spend a dollar.
[01:03:36]  Every time, in every very, you know, so in our vocation, in our spending, in all these different ways, we constantly, culturally, financially, and at times in a civil capacity.
[01:03:49]  Those of you who are a part of the civil magistrate, or if you're a lawyer, or if you're a judge, then yes, you have that ability.
[01:03:55]  You have just the average American citizen when you sit on a jury doing your civic duty.
[01:04:01]  You have the ability to exonerate the innocent and to condemn the wicked.
[01:04:07]  In all these ways, we, you know, and this is just my point is this is your average guy, your average guy being faithful day in, day out in all these various capacities.
[01:04:18]  And I guess all I'm saying is not, it's not even to elevate your radicals.
[01:04:23]  That's not the point of this episode.
[01:04:24]  It's not to elevate radicals and it's not to try to inspire a bunch of 24 year old men to become radicals and say, that's cool.
[01:04:33]  I want to do that.
[01:04:34]  Because most of you, we need to be company men.
[01:04:36]  Some of you might be.
[01:04:38]  Uh, radicals, and but most of you are going to be good company men.
[01:04:41]  Uh, the point of this episode is not to exalt radicals above the company men and it's not to inspire every all the company men to become radicals because we'll lose that way.
[01:04:50]  That's counterproductive.
[01:04:52]  Um, if anything, my motive in doing this episode is to say that for those of you who are company men, stay as company men, be faithful as company men.
[01:05:02]  Um, and but but please, um, while not being a radical yourself and maybe not even publicly.
[01:05:11]  Associating with a radical because it might bring heat that you can't afford.
[01:05:16]  Could you please at least commit to not joining in the mob and destroying Christian radicals?
[01:05:24]  And then for some of you, you should consider not only not destroying good, righteous radicals, but you should consider privately, in a way that doesn't hurt you, privately, financially supporting Christian radicals so that they can continue.
[01:05:42]  Their work because the only way that someone like me can do what I do is if I have enough financial insulation by people who are like, Yeah, I don't know.
[01:05:57]  I don't know, Joel, if I could be picked up, you know, three to four times every single week by Right Wing Watch that has six, 700,000 followers and get 5 million views every few weeks for something.
[01:06:13]  I don't think I could do that.
[01:06:16]  I don't know if I have the emotional framework to be able to do that without being stressed out.
[01:06:21]  And I certainly don't have economically, I would lose employment.
[01:06:26]  I can't do that.
[01:06:28]  And what we're saying in this episode is we get it.
[01:06:31]  Of course, most people, 80% of people, can't do that.
[01:06:36]  If anything, we know they can't because a little bit of pressure came and they took out the paper and they read the script and they apologized.
[01:06:42]  Right.
[01:06:42]  Like that's how it starts.
[01:06:42]  We're faithful in little.
[01:06:44]  And then you get to the point where you may attract more and more attention.
[01:06:47]  Right.
[01:06:47]  A lot of people fold when, I mean, the first cancel campaign comes for them.
[01:06:50]  Exactly.
[01:06:50]  Yeah.
[01:06:51]  Most people do.
[01:06:51]  That's, that's what happens is guys will, that's a great point, is guys will try to be radical and then, and then they'll finally step too far and, and, and the spotlight lands on them and they have their five minutes of, of fame.
[01:07:04]  And then what you'll see, uh, the very next week is some kind of public apology.
[01:07:09]  Struggle session.
[01:07:10]  Yeah.
[01:07:11]  Some kind of, yeah.
[01:07:11]  Some kind of public apology.
[01:07:13]  And, uh, You know, because they get all this pressure for whatever it is.
[01:07:18]  You're a misogynist.
[01:07:19]  You're a bigot.
[01:07:22]  You're a racist.
[01:07:24]  You're a Nazi, you know, whatever it might be.
[01:07:28]  And the immediate reaction is what I've noticed.
[01:07:32]  Like a lot of guys who've, and I've watched guys, guys that I think are good guys.
[01:07:37]  They just should have been company men and not pushing the Overton as leaders in the public spotlight.
[01:07:43]  But I've watched guys even recently.
[01:07:46]  Guys that I've met in person, they're good.
[01:07:48]  I think they're good guys.
[01:07:48]  They're Christian men.
[01:07:49]  I'm not questioning, well, you compromised, and so therefore, no, they're good guys.
[01:07:54]  But I've watched them.
[01:07:55]  Um, certain heat comes their way, certain pressure, and immediately, um, you'll see, uh, this video comes down, that episode comes down, this one.
[01:08:06]  And then all of a sudden, you know, it's like silence for about a week, maybe two.
[01:08:11]  And then, um, and then there's a new installment, um, where it's like this guy, um, very clearly was strapped to a chair, you know, the eyelids stapled up and forced to watch, you know, uh, World War II documentaries for 48 hours straight, you know, or anti-whatever racist documentary.
[01:08:37]  Like, this guy had to watch 12 Years of Slave on repeat, you know, for seven days straight.
[01:08:44]  Yeah, you had to read Kendi, you know, or whatever.
[01:08:47]  What's her name?
[01:08:47]  Robin D'Angelo.
[01:08:48]  Robin D'Angelo.
[01:08:49]  And it's so clear, and that happens often.
[01:08:52]  It's sad, but that is a regular occurrence.
[01:08:54]  And I'm talking, again, talking good guys.
[01:08:56]  These are good guys who are above average in terms of resilience and strength.
[01:09:01]  These are guys who, in many ways, are masculine.
[01:09:04]  They're strong.
[01:09:05]  They would make a great elder in a church or a local pastor.
[01:09:09]  These are good guys and they know the theology.
[01:09:11]  But even they, they're like, if a certain degree amount of pressure comes, like 5 million views every month, you know, or every two weeks at this point, or it's not always the degree of pressure.
[01:09:26]  Sometimes it's the type of pressure.
[01:09:28]  If a much smaller amount of pressure comes from another source, a particular source that's maybe closer to home and it hits and it hurts, your pastor.
[01:09:39]  It's almost like an involuntary reaction where immediately they cannot help.
[01:09:45]  Whereas, what I want to say is, there actually are times, just to kind of caveat this, there is such a thing as accountability.
[01:09:53]  And there is such a thing as getting it wrong and sinning and needing to repent.
[01:09:59]  And if the sin was public, there needs to be public repentance.
[01:10:04]  However, I have found, and I don't do this perfectly, you guys pray for me because I'm continuing to learn.
[01:10:11]  But I have found it is, you have to be so careful.
[01:10:16]  And I think you should err on hesitancy.
[01:10:20]  If you publicly repent for something because you really did publicly sin, and it comes three weeks later instead of one week later because you wanted to avoid, not repentance, but you wanted to avoid a second sin, which is called false repentance, I think the Lord will honor that.
[01:10:37]  I really do.
[01:10:38]  It's okay for your public apology to come three weeks later instead of one week later.
[01:10:42]  And I have had to do this again and again.
[01:10:45]  Where I either get a certain amount of pushback or I get pushback from a certain source.
[01:10:53]  And I've had to go back and rewatch what I said, what I said, and then try as best I can objectively and then talking to other friends.
[01:11:02]  Is this objectively sin?
[01:11:04]  Did I objectively sin or is this just uncomfortable?
[01:11:11]  If it's uncomfortable, if it's only uncomfortable, but it caused just a ton of blowback or blowback from allies.
[01:11:18]  Who we love, then that might merit a pivot in strategy.
[01:11:23]  Okay, I'm going to lay off of that for a little while, or we're going to go a different direction, and that's all fair game.
[01:11:30]  But don't apologize.
[01:11:32]  There is a difference between pivoting and saying, okay, this one got a lot of blowback, and I want to be a radical, but I don't want to be suicidal.

=== Pivoting Without Apologizing (04:58) ===

[01:11:41]  There is a difference.
[01:11:42]  I'm not a kamikaze pilot.
[01:11:45]  I want to push the Overton window, but by God's grace, I'd like to do it for 40 years and not just for four more months.
[01:11:51]  And so you can only fight on so many fronts simultaneously.
[01:11:55]  You can't fight on every front.
[01:11:57]  You can't have 17 battles all at once.
[01:12:00]  So there is something to say like, all right, this thing got a lot of pushback.
[01:12:04]  Let's let it simmer for a little while.
[01:12:07]  There's plenty of other things we can make people mad about.
[01:12:12]  You'd always dust off the old 19th Amendment being revoked.
[01:12:15]  That's a fan favorite.
[01:12:17]  There are plenty of things to continue pushing that are faithful to Scripture.
[01:12:21]  And so there are times to pivot.
[01:12:22]  There are times to rest, to breathe, right?
[01:12:25]  There's a difference between false repentance, capitulating, versus resting and redirecting and refocusing.
[01:12:33]  So there's plenty of times to, all right, that was just, I can't handle that level of pushback every single week.
[01:12:40]  I gotta refocus and redirect.
[01:12:44]  Fine.
[01:12:45]  Not only is that permissible, I think that's wise.
[01:12:47]  But there's a difference between refocusing or resting or pausing.
[01:12:54]  Versus false repentance, where the pressure comes and in the final analysis, you did nothing wrong.
[01:13:03]  And in those moments, you have to be able to just sit in the discomfort, just to be.
[01:13:13]  And I think, I don't know what it is, but by God's grace, I think I got a lot of rejection.
[01:13:19]  And like growing up as a kid, not for my parents, my parents are awesome, but I was adopted.
[01:13:24]  So, like, the beginning of my life was somebody not wanting me.
[01:13:27]  That's how adoption works.
[01:13:28]  Somebody has to give you up and say, we don't want them, so that somebody else takes you.
[01:13:33]  But my whole life, like I remember struggling with, you know, a root of rejection and most of my life very uncomfortable, very uncomfortable.
[01:13:42]  And in high school, like people would call me Bible boy, like I always, because I was always reading my Bible.
[01:13:47]  I was kind of a loser.
[01:13:48]  You know, I was in marching band and theater.
[01:13:51]  Like, I mean, it's just like you couldn't.
[01:13:53]  You didn't turn out gay, is actually what I was.
[01:13:54]  Yeah, I didn't turn out gay.
[01:13:55]  Yeah.
[01:13:55]  But it's like, even if I tried, you know, I'd be hard pressed to be a bigger loser.
[01:14:00]  Um, but, but my point is early on in life, I just got comfortable with a bunch of people calling me names.
[01:14:10]  Like it was just like, okay, yeah, a lot of people are going to call me names, whatever.
[01:14:14]  That's okay.
[01:14:16]  Um, be a little bit vulnerable here for a moment, but like my whole life also struggled with my skin.
[01:14:23]  Um, not, not the whiteness of my skin, but blemishes, acne.
[01:14:28]  Um, and that has always been, uh, something that, you know, people have made fun of me for.
[01:14:33]  And, uh, And so, just early on in life, I guess, and pretty much all my adult life, I had to.
[01:14:41]  It was either I was just going to relegate myself to obscurity, which I genuinely considered at multiple points.
[01:14:47]  Like, just, okay, well, one way is just like maybe I go be an accountant, you know, and work in a basement, you know, a cubicle, and, you know, my stapler, you know, like the, and just, you know, and everybody leaves me alone.
[01:15:00]  But I didn't want to do that.
[01:15:01]  I wanted to make a difference.
[01:15:03]  I felt the Lord calling me to ministry.
[01:15:05]  And I felt the Lord calling me to public ministry where I'm physically in front of people, which is just has been a terrible irony because it's like I struggled with rejection my whole life, don't like the way I look, don't even like the sound of my own voice.
[01:15:26]  And yet I, but I was like, I want to preach, I want to preach, I want to preach.
[01:15:31]  And so I just did it and just had people make fun of me and had people hate me.
[01:15:35]  Like Brian Sauvay, Brian Sauvay pushes the envelope all the time.
[01:15:38]  But it helps when you look like Tom Bombadil, you know, and kind of like almost whistling and chuckling as you talk.
[01:15:50]  Meanwhile, I'm over here.
[01:15:51]  I look like a James Bond villain, you know.
[01:15:56]  And there is something to be said for the optics and those kinds of things.
[01:15:58]  And so, anyways, the point is, I just had to learn early on, but by God's grace, everything's providential.
[01:16:04]  And I feel like the Lord prepared me for some of this to where it's like, Every week, you know, something goes viral, something, you know, and people, you know, sometimes ask me, you know, like, how do you sleep at night?
[01:16:19]  And the answer is, like a baby.
[01:16:21]  Yeah.
[01:16:21]  Fantastic.
[01:16:22]  Like, I, you know, I sleep great.
[01:16:26]  It's like, well, what about your wife?
[01:16:28]  Well, what I do for my wife, who is not like me, is I'll keep her in the loop in very general terms.

=== Protecting Your Radicals (07:22) ===

[01:16:40]  I do not give my wife, A full update of my day.
[01:16:43]  So I asked, How was your day?
[01:16:45]  Oh, it was great.
[01:16:45]  You know, I talked to so and so on the phone.
[01:16:48]  I wrote a sermon, did some study of, you know, the book of Matthew, and, you know, had lunch with so and so.
[01:16:55]  I don't necessarily tell her, Well, five million people wish that I was dead.
[01:17:04]  You know, because my wife does not have the frame to handle that, which is part of the reason why, and just for the record, I didn't make her do this.
[01:17:12]  But my wife wanted to do this and I affirmed it and encouraged it because I think it was wise.
[01:17:17]  She said, Joel, is it a good idea for me to be on social media?
[01:17:22]  And I said, Sweetheart, no.
[01:17:26]  You know, social media is a terrible place, it's like Billy Madison when the little kid says, I can't wait to go to high school.
[01:17:32]  You know, he's crazy.
[01:17:33]  He's like, No, like, don't do it.
[01:17:36]  It's like, I can't wait to get on X.
[01:17:38]  It's like, No, sweetheart, don't.
[01:17:41]  X is a terrible, terrible place.
[01:17:42]  And by the grace of God, Um, please don't ever give right, and so but but the point is like it takes a unique person, not everybody can do that.
[01:17:51]  You have to have, and the Lord, I think, prepared me for that to where now that like there'll be certain pressure, and it's like, no, no, I went back, I watched the footage, I saw what I said in its context.
[01:18:05]  Um, brothers and sisters, you cannot be held personally responsible for a left wing communist organization clipping you out.
[01:18:15]  I did not give a 32 second sermon.
[01:18:18]  I gave a 60 minute sermon.
[01:18:20]  I'm not responsible for someone clipping me out of context.
[01:18:24]  And there's a difference between you clipping yourself for just the latest hot take versus enemies clipping you to make it as hot of a take as possible without any of the larger context, without the scripture, without the exegesis, simply to rile up a bunch of people.
[01:18:42]  Ultimately, this is their goal to go and vote for Kamala Harris.
[01:18:45]  Because if you get Joel, you get Trump.
[01:18:46]  Yeah, right.
[01:18:47]  We wish, but that's not the case.
[01:18:49]  So that, like, All that being said, the point is, most of you are company men, but can you at least, we would urge you, can you at least recognize these obvious tactics?
[01:19:01]  We're not talking to you right here in the chat.
[01:19:04]  Yeah.
[01:19:04]  Yep.
[01:19:05]  Yeah.
[01:19:05]  Most of you who are watching this channel, you're our biggest supporters, you're our biggest allies.
[01:19:09]  But for others, can you recognize, like, okay, Right Wing Watch is a left wing organization?
[01:19:17]  Mother Jones is a left wing organization.
[01:19:22]  That are, they're simply Mother Jones spelled it out.
[01:19:24]  They weren't even coy about it.
[01:19:26]  They said, to understand JD Vance, you must understand the Theo Bros.
[01:19:32]  Here's Joel Webbin.
[01:19:33]  Here's Brian Sauvay.
[01:19:34]  Here's Andrew Isker.
[01:19:35]  Here's Stephen Wolfe.
[01:19:36]  Here's Nate Fisher and Newfoundland.
[01:19:39]  And here's the fun.
[01:19:41]  And here's Doug Wilson, the worst of them all, according to Mother Jones, which is part of the reason why I want to encourage people when we get in brother wars, right?
[01:19:53]  We need to do no more brother wars.
[01:19:54]  When we get in brother wars over being a hair and a freckle to the left versus a hair and a freckle to the right, the vast majority of the world, They don't see it like that.
[01:20:06]  When Mother Jones starts writing their article, they don't say, you know what, Joel Webbin and Stephen Wolf, those guys have really crossed the line.
[01:20:15]  But we appreciate Doug Wilson and his moderate, reasonable approach.
[01:20:19]  No, they literally quote Doug Wilson and read that article by Mother Jones.
[01:20:23]  The most shocking, offensive quotes are his.
[01:20:28]  Right.
[01:20:29]  Not mine.
[01:20:29]  Not Stephen's.
[01:20:31]  His.
[01:20:34]  And he's been blacklisted for 40 years of his life.
[01:20:37]  And just now, kind of been received in the last three, four years as reasonable.
[01:20:43]  And even then, only reasonable to still, we're talking about a minority of the population that would see him as reasonable.
[01:20:48]  So you got to take all those things into account.
[01:20:52]  Who am I going to pick fights with?
[01:20:54]  Who's actually picking a fight?
[01:20:58]  Did I do this as a hot take intentionally?
[01:21:01]  Should I step back?
[01:21:02]  Did I actually sin publicly?
[01:21:04]  Should I publicly repent and apologize?
[01:21:07]  And the point is, it's not easy.
[01:21:10]  That's the point.
[01:21:11]  It's not easy, which is just one more reason why 95% of you should not do this.
[01:21:19]  95% of you should not make it your aim to play the heel, to be a radical.
[01:21:26]  Jesus even says, like, when you start to build a building, count the cost.
[01:21:30]  Right, because it is shameful to put a foundation, right?
[01:21:33]  Build up a little platform and then fold, not have the will to carry it through.
[01:21:37]  It does more harm than good.
[01:21:38]  It would have been better if you didn't start building at all.
[01:21:41]  Exactly.
[01:21:42]  Because your enemies will then mock you.
[01:21:45]  And your allies.
[01:21:47]  That's right.
[01:21:48]  And your allies.
[01:21:49]  But all these things, what we need right now, if we want to win, is you do need a few radicals.
[01:21:54]  You do.
[01:21:55]  Those guys have to count the costs and they need to be unique.
[01:21:58]  They need to be unique.
[01:21:59]  Then, beyond that, there's something to be said for everybody else the shield wall.
[01:22:04]  And saying, when everybody comes and says, give us Stephen Wolf so that we can hang him up, you need a bunch of guys who are not Stephen Wolf.
[01:22:18]  And can't afford to be Stephen Wolfe to still be able to say, No, no, no, you can't have him.
[01:22:24]  Sorry.
[01:22:24]  There can be no breaks in the shield wall.
[01:22:27]  If one person breaks in the shield wall, it all starts to crumble.
[01:22:31]  I've seen it in churches where, you know, the pastor gets a bunch of heat and one core family leaves the church.
[01:22:40]  They fold and they think, Well, if that, but if this many people think he's wrong, he must be.
[01:22:44]  And that one core, and then it becomes a domino effect.
[01:22:48]  And a third of the congregation.
[01:22:50]  And if that one family would have just.
[01:22:52]  Held and even made the same decision, but make it two months later.
[01:22:56]  Right.
[01:22:57]  And just don't do it right in the middle of the drama.
[01:23:00]  Don't be emotional.
[01:23:02]  Don't be dramatic.
[01:23:03]  Don't be feminine.
[01:23:04]  Be a man.
[01:23:06]  The whole church would have held together and they could have still made a transition two months later.
[01:23:11]  They weren't in the heat of it.
[01:23:12]  They weren't in the public sphere.
[01:23:13]  It wasn't hurting them or their livelihood or any of those things.
[01:23:16]  They could have still transitioned, done it much more cordially.
[01:23:20]  And the church would have been insulated and protected for it.
[01:23:24]  But the chink in the shield wall.
[01:23:26]  That's where all of your radicals get strung up.
[01:23:28]  And not only your radicals, but all the company men, good company men, start getting wiped out as well.
[01:23:34]  Someone reminded of the verse in the chat, but Jesus literally says, He who receives a prophet receives the prophet's reward.
[01:23:41]  The good men that run a family and the prophet needs somewhere to stay, and they say, Hey, you can stay here for a little while, taking you into my home permanently.
[01:23:48]  He says, Those receive the reward of the prophet as well.
[01:23:50]  Even though they weren't a prophet themselves, but they get, you're right.
[01:23:54]  That's a great.
[01:23:55]  I credit to whoever put it in the chat.
[01:23:56]  Who was it?
[01:23:57]  Nathan, go back.
[01:23:57]  The Lord knows who you are.
[01:24:00]  The Lord knows, and everyone else is about to know.

=== Honoring Those Who Support Us (05:52) ===

[01:24:02]  Probably not, because I guarantee it's an anon.
[01:24:04]  Always is.
[01:24:06]  Good old biblical anon.
[01:24:08]  Yeah, a little bit.
[01:24:09]  There it is.
[01:24:10]  Oh, right there.
[01:24:10]  So this was Yellow Moth.
[01:24:12]  Yellow Moth, shout out for you.
[01:24:14]  Well done.
[01:24:14]  Company men get Batman's reward.
[01:24:16]  I like it.
[01:24:17]  Yeah.
[01:24:17]  Yep.
[01:24:17]  Company men get Batman's reward, and church men get prophets' reward.
[01:24:22]  Yep.
[01:24:23]  Rewards.
[01:24:24]  That's good.
[01:24:24]  All right.
[01:24:25]  Okay.
[01:24:25]  We'll go to our last commercial break.
[01:24:26]  Yeah.
[01:24:26]  And when we come back, I want to honor some other radicals.
[01:24:31]  I actually kind of want to give a list.
[01:24:33]  Of some guys that you, the majority of you listening as company men, can financially support and should.
[01:24:42]  Because some of these guys are getting a ton of heat.
[01:24:47]  And then we also want to honor some other guys, but then we also want to talk about a little bit of how you guys can also support us.
[01:24:55]  Because, for instance, there's some guys who just reached out to me yesterday, great guys that I'm building a relationship with, and said, Would you be comfortable with us publicly?
[01:25:07]  Doing a fundraiser to raise money for you to help get your home a good security system, like with cameras.
[01:25:16]  And because we don't, my wife and I don't have that.
[01:25:21]  And I file, you know, when I get, you know, I get, you know, hundreds, thousands of people like, I hate you.
[01:25:28]  That's not a death threat.
[01:25:29]  I hate you is not a death threat.
[01:25:30]  But when I get threats, and when I say threats, I'm talking about objective, like, I'm coming for you.
[01:25:36]  I'll get, like, just yesterday, I had a voicemail with somebody, and you could tell he changed his voice.
[01:25:40]  Um, you know, and called from an unknown number and said, Um, uh, we watched the clip of you calling for the execution of women.
[01:25:52]  I want you to know we're coming for you.
[01:25:55]  And so, like, uh, even with our church, um, every single week I have to reach out to guys in our church to be prepared, um, and to show up early and, um, to protect people in our church.
[01:26:07]  People, um, people want people, not everybody, some people just hate me.
[01:26:14]  But there are some people who want to kill me.
[01:26:17]  They actually want to kill me.
[01:26:19]  And being able to continue doing what we're doing and not dying actually does cost money.
[01:26:27]  There's another guy, you might have heard of him, who people want to kill Donald Trump.
[01:26:34]  Donald Trump, they can't win.
[01:26:37]  They know they can't win.
[01:26:38]  They have to kill him.
[01:26:40]  They tried to beat him to cheat.
[01:26:45]  But now this one's too big to rig.
[01:26:47]  And so then they tried the lawfare.
[01:26:49]  Like, okay, if we can't beat him in an election and we can't, it's even outside the margin of cheating, the margin of cheating, then we'll try to lock him up.
[01:26:57]  That failed.
[01:26:58]  So now it's like we have to kill him.
[01:27:00]  I have to shoot him.
[01:27:03]  And so far that hasn't worked.
[01:27:05]  But here's the deal Donald Trump, and I'm not Donald Trump, but the point is Donald Trump absolutely, it is good and right and fitting and pleasing, I believe, in the sight of God.
[01:27:15]  That one of the richest men, Elon Musk, is like, Can I make you a bulletproof golf cart?
[01:27:21]  Right.
[01:27:22]  Yeah.
[01:27:22]  And can I help you resource your security team to keep you alive?
[01:27:27]  Right.
[01:27:28]  And what we're going to get into in this third segment, I'm going to be a little bit bold in asking here.
[01:27:33]  You have not because you asked not.
[01:27:35]  Some of you are company men, and some of you are company men who literally own the company.
[01:27:41]  You're rich company men.
[01:27:43]  And you still, because of the strategy and assignment that in God's providence he has given to you, you still can't afford to be doing what AD Robles is doing or what Stephen Wolf is doing or what I'm doing.
[01:27:56]  But you can give a lot more than $5.
[01:27:58]  That you are in a position where you could give to a ministry like ours, Right Response Ministries, to help have a security system to where guys who leave the voicemail saying, We're coming for you on my phone daily, to where they don't actually come, or if they come, they're unsuccessful, and me and my family don't get killed.
[01:28:25]  Like, this is my point the stakes are real.
[01:28:27]  It's not just sow a seed, brother, and you know, and for.
[01:28:31]  For your gift of $1 a day, you know, this missionary, like, no, we're talking about changing culture.
[01:28:38]  They want to kill me because it's working.
[01:28:40]  Right.
[01:28:42]  They want to kill me because it's working.
[01:28:43]  It's not just because they're angry, it's because it's working.
[01:28:47]  It is changing the discourse.
[01:28:49]  When I was talking, when we were talking about repealing the 19th Amendment, maybe that was a bad idea, there was way more pushback.
[01:28:56]  Now, way more.
[01:28:57]  A ton of people, I mean, it is already changing where people are like, yeah, you know what?
[01:29:02]  Maybe women shouldn't vote.
[01:29:03]  Like, Because here come the statistics.
[01:29:06]  Young men, what's the number one thing they're voting for?
[01:29:08]  The economy.
[01:29:10]  How can I get a job and afford a mortgage and food on the table for a family?
[01:29:14]  That's the way young men are thinking.
[01:29:16]  That's the most important issue to them can I feed a family?
[01:29:20]  Most important issue 39% of single women?
[01:29:23]  Abortion.
[01:29:25]  How can I murder my kids?
[01:29:28]  Yeah, women should not be voting.
[01:29:30]  They're not suited for it.
[01:29:31]  That does not mean that women are inherently more wicked than men, but they are not suited for that sphere.
[01:29:37]  And I remember going viral and viral and viral because of that a couple years ago.
[01:29:42]  And now it continues to go viral, but not just with me.
[01:29:46]  Because now, right wing watch and all they have to clip out thousands of guys saying the same thing because it's become so apparent and obvious on the space.

=== Norming Young Men's Thinking (03:25) ===

[01:29:55]  Even women, conservative, quote unquote, the platform, even they're kind of like, even women are like, yeah, I wish you were.
[01:30:00]  Lauren Chen and stuff.
[01:30:00]  Yeah, they're coming out.
[01:30:01]  Why do we have the right to vote?
[01:30:03]  And it's, but that's the thing, it's becoming norming.
[01:30:05]  So whether it's the Daily Wire with Am I Racist, Matt Walsh, you know, once, once, uh, Once John Harris and AD Robles made it safe for Megan Basham and Matt Walsh, then they came out with the heavy artillery.
[01:30:17]  And now, critical race theory, you're running into the shadows now.
[01:30:21]  You're looking pretty foolish.
[01:30:22]  Somebody's backing up on that.
[01:30:23]  Robin D'Angelo literally deleted her accounts.
[01:30:26]  Her Twitter account.
[01:30:27]  As soon as that dog, she was embarrassed.
[01:30:30]  And rightfully so.
[01:30:32]  John Harris did not embarrass Robin D'Angelo.
[01:30:35]  But guys like John Harris and AD Robles paved the way for your Matt Walsh's, who then they're the ones who bring the heavy artillery and And the wicked, like the cockroaches that they are, start scurrying back into the shadows.
[01:30:49]  Well, same thing.
[01:30:51]  Charlie Kirk would be an example.
[01:30:53]  Multiple guys coming out and saying, Martin Luther King Jr. is not the hero that we want.
[01:30:59]  It's not our guy.
[01:31:00]  Right?
[01:31:00]  Martin Luther King Jr. honoring him today will be the equivalent of like John, the Catholic guy.
[01:31:12]  John Doyle.
[01:31:13]  John Doyle.
[01:31:13]  I like it.
[01:31:14]  John Doyle said, you know, 30 to 50 years from now, people will be saying, I'm a George Floyd conservative.
[01:31:19]  That's right.
[01:31:20]  Yeah.
[01:31:20]  You know, I'm a George Floyd conservative because really, you know, he was just trying to stick it to the man, you know, fiat currency by having a $20 account.
[01:31:28]  And he was just, you know, and the last words that he, you know, before he died was, I want my mom, you know, so here's a concern.
[01:31:35]  He's a family man who loves his mother.
[01:31:37]  No, George Floyd was trash.
[01:31:41]  He was a criminal.
[01:31:43]  He should not have a monument.
[01:31:44]  He should not be honored.
[01:31:46]  No way.
[01:31:47]  Likewise, Martin Luther King was not a good man.
[01:31:51]  He was a Marxist.
[01:31:52]  He was propped up by Marxists.
[01:31:54]  He was having an orgy the night or two nights before he was assassinated, cheating on his wife.
[01:32:01]  And pretending to be a preacher.
[01:32:02]  No, he was not a good man, and civil rights, that movement has destroyed our culture.
[01:32:08]  And for those of you who want a longer form argument, not just the Joel Webb and short version, read Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell and see what the Civil Rights Act did to our Constitution and to our government.
[01:32:22]  It destroyed us.
[01:32:23]  And so, but here's my point there were guys sounding the alarm about Michael King, you know, Martin Luther King, his actual name, I think, is Michael.
[01:32:38]  Guys who were sounding alarm six years ago, seven years ago, eight years ago.
[01:32:42]  And then this past year was year one of Charlie Kirk coming out.
[01:32:49]  And Charlie Kirk got flack, but boom, that's heavy artillery.
[01:32:52]  I guarantee you, next year, it'll be more guys and it'll be bigger names.
[01:32:56]  And it'll be to eventually, we will, by the grace of God, get to a point where we're able, the average.
[01:33:02]  Normie, not even Christian normie, but just normal person in America will look back and say, Yeah, the Civil Rights Act was a disaster.
[01:33:09]  Can't believe we did that.
[01:33:11]  That'll be amazing.
[01:33:11]  Celebrate Stonewall Jackson Day instead of Michael Martin Luther King Day.
[01:33:14]  Amen.
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[01:36:05]  In this final segment, we're going to name some other radicals that are worthy of respect and also support.
[01:36:10]  I asked to name one.
[01:36:11]  You just saw his ad, David Reese.
[01:36:14]  David is a godly man.
[01:36:15]  He's a pastor in the Phoenix area.
[01:36:17]  If you want, you can probably go on Twitter.
[01:36:18]  You would see his church name where you can find him.
[01:36:21]  But also, he is the CEO of Armored Republic.
[01:36:24]  So they make body armor, protective devices.
[01:36:28]  You could also have stuff for working out.
[01:36:30]  Completely worthy of your support if you are buying something related to self defense.
[01:36:35]  Yep, yep.
[01:36:35]  And David Reese carries it at Armor Republic.
[01:36:37]  That is a godly business that you should support, that you should buy from.
[01:36:42]  Uh, and he's going to have arguably the best product, yeah, right.
[01:36:45]  That's a product you need because he does things well, yeah, because he does things well.
[01:36:49]  Like, like he's so it's you're good, it's not even just charity, but like, yes, you should patron.
[01:36:53]  Yep, yep.
[01:36:54]  Uh, and last week he came to your defense too, Joel.
[01:36:57]  He said, There's people, Christians picking on and and and and siding with the left on this.
[01:37:02]  Absolutely not.
[01:37:03]  This is what the scripture says.
[01:37:04]  We should be unashamed of the scripture and unashamed of the messenger.
[01:37:08]  So, great God that he did.
[01:37:12]  Who else?
[01:37:13]  I mean, the usual suspects, right?
[01:37:15]  I'll mention John Harris because before I had heard of you, Joel, I stumbled across John Harris in the BLM days.
[01:37:22]  And I emailed him from Taiwan and he emailed me back and really encouraged me, gave me good advice, and basically sealed the deal on my time there.
[01:37:32]  If we hadn't left because of COVID, we were leaving the next year anyway.
[01:37:35]  And now he's going to hopefully be endorsing your book.
[01:37:37]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:37:39]  But if you want to talk about someone who is on the cutting edge, man, he's been there for a while.
[01:37:45]  He has.
[01:37:46]  Support his podcast, support Truth Script, buy his books.
[01:37:49]  John Harris was one of the first.
[01:37:52]  He really was.
[01:37:54]  And one of the first to, like, there were some early guys, early adopters.
[01:37:58]  Yeah, who stayed faithful.
[01:38:00]  But some of them only pushed so far.
[01:38:03]  John Harris.
[01:38:03]  John has continued.
[01:38:04]  He was early, but he kept pushing.
[01:38:06]  He wasn't, you know, John Harris was not content to just say, like, look, we got to get back to the 80s, yep, um, classical liberalism, 80s economy, so that my cruise line can have more, uh, make more money.
[01:38:18]  Um, instead, John Harris said, no, we got to keep going for righteousness, absolutely not classical liberalism, but the Bible.
[01:38:24]  What does the Bible say?
[01:38:26]  Um, AD Robles, yep, he's right there with John Harris.
[01:38:29]  Same thing, AD Robles owns his own staffing company.
[01:38:33]  Um, Nathan, look that up real quick because I want to give him a shout so that people can go, um, if they are looking for employment, use AD.
[01:38:41]  I want to name his company and a link so that people can do that.
[01:38:45]  But John Harris, you can look up Conversations That Matter and look up Truth Script and consider making a donation.
[01:38:53]  David Reese is he's kind of the Batman of Christendom.
[01:38:58]  He's a baller financially, but you can absolutely patron his company, Armored Republic.
[01:39:04]  For AD Robles, if you need a staffing company to help you with employment, you should check out AD Robles.
[01:39:11]  And that's part of why AD is able to do what he does.
[01:39:14]  80s able to do what he does because he's self employed.
[01:39:16]  He owns his own company.
[01:39:17]  He worked hard to establish it so that he would be insulated enough to where he can just come out and say things.
[01:39:24]  AD, believe it or not, AD goes harder than I do.
[01:39:27]  He just laughs while he does it.
[01:39:28]  So people don't think.
[01:39:29]  I get picked up.
[01:39:31]  Part of the reason we get picked up a lot is because part of it is metrics.
[01:39:37]  By God's grace, Covenant Recruiter.
[01:39:40]  That's AD Robles.
[01:39:41]  So go to covenantrecruiter.com.
[01:39:44]  Covenantrecruiter.com for AD Robles.
[01:39:48]  If you want.
[01:39:50]  A staffing company to help you with finding employment.
[01:39:52]  But part of the reason that we get picked up is because there are certain metrics when you pass a certain threshold, you just.
[01:39:59]  That's true.
[01:40:00]  Like, so when we pass like 100,000 subscribers on YouTube, it put us in a just a different realm of viewed more heavily as a threat.
[01:40:11]  Part of even like our setup, like AD is a webcam.
[01:40:14]  He's in his garage.
[01:40:14]  And he's in his garage.
[01:40:15]  And that's great.
[01:40:16]  Yeah.
[01:40:17]  There's nothing wrong with that.
[01:40:18]  The reason why we're doing what we're doing is not because we're trying to be inauthentic or pose.
[01:40:24]  Because I'm just as blue collar as AD.
[01:40:29]  But the reason we did this, and we want to have high dollar cameras and a good studio, and we're going to work the algorithm with YouTube, and we're going to try to surpass 100,000 subscribers, all this is because we wanted to punch above our weight.
[01:40:44]  And punching above your weight means two things.
[01:40:46]  One, it means that you're going to make a big impact, there's a ton of people who are listening to us.
[01:40:52]  It also means you're going to get a ton of attack.
[01:40:55]  Right.
[01:40:55]  Like, I'm just going to be viewed as a threat by certain individuals that won't view AD as much of a threat.
[01:41:05]  And that's part of why we get the pushback that we do.
[01:41:09]  But we also are able to punch a little harder at times.
[01:41:14]  Right.
[01:41:15]  But AD Robles still throws a heck of a punch.
[01:41:19]  And so he's worthy of your support.
[01:41:21]  Who are some other guys?
[01:41:22]  Ogden has.
[01:41:24]  Ogden.
[01:41:24]  They got like a stacked roster.
[01:41:26]  10 15 guys, some kind of podcast or endeavor, but uh, four main guys does a great job.
[01:41:31]  Eric Kahn is there, he's he's their reaper cheap, you know, like challenging you know the dragon to single combat.
[01:41:38]  If you're Batman, we said uh, he's Bane, he's Bane.
[01:41:40]  If Bane was a little shorter, though, unfortunately, but yeah, Eric, no, Eric is he is a fighter, like he started you know years ago with Hard Man podcast, and uh, and he's not just like a fighter in terms of you know his rhetoric or words, uh, but like Eric.
[01:41:57]  Is that kind of guy?
[01:41:59]  Like for me, it was being the loser and getting rejected and just, and then becoming immune to rejection, like immune to being made fun of or hated or whatever.
[01:42:10]  For Eric, it was, I mean, Eric's the kind of guy who like would just go off in the woods and hunt, you know, bear or elk, you know, and be in the woods for a month and be able to just.
[01:42:21]  And then haul it back himself?
[01:42:23]  And haul it back by himself.
[01:42:24]  Like he actually is a hard man.
[01:42:27]  Yeah.
[01:42:27]  I remember one of the first things I heard from Eric when I. Before I even knew him personally, but years ago, I started listening to him and somebody recommended him.
[01:42:34]  Was he like, part of biblical masculinity is not all just spiritualized.
[01:42:39]  Part of biblical masculinity is being hard to kill.
[01:42:42]  Right.
[01:42:43]  Literally, physically, hard to kill.
[01:42:47]  If you're going to have a wife and children and you're called to provide and protect, there's a spiritual component, there's a physical component.
[01:42:54]  And in the protection realm and the physical side of that, you need to be hard to kill.
[01:43:01]  That if somebody is going to try to hurt your family, They have to come through you and that they're going to think twice.
[01:43:08]  That they may be able to kill you, but it won't be easy.
[01:43:12]  You're going to be hard to kill.
[01:43:14]  And if you have no cardio, if you lose your breath quickly, if you, and he just started like listing some of these things, like if your circulation is bad, like, you know, all these different things, like you are easy to kill.
[01:43:29]  You are easy to kill.
[01:43:31]  And your loved ones are less protected.
[01:43:33]  And there is a moral culpability.
[01:43:36]  And so, anyways, Eric is who Eric is in terms of his content, his message.
[01:43:44]  Is really just, it's just a further extension of who he is as a man and who he's always been for, you know, 40 years.
[01:43:53]  As a man, it's just the dude is like, he's, he has grit.
[01:43:59]  Yeah.
[01:44:00]  Right.
[01:44:00]  He has grit.
[01:44:01]  Like the dude can just go into the wilderness for a month, you know, and is raising his sons that way to where they now go elk hunting, you know, for two weeks, you know, completely off the beaten path, you know, and he's a man and he's worthy of support.
[01:44:15]  He's not, It's frustrating when some of our reformed brothers that we love are like, these are boys, like, you know, these young boys who are just being immature.
[01:44:27]  It's like, brother, I have five kids.
[01:44:33]  Eric is a grown man, he's in his 40s.
[01:44:37]  He has a wife and children.
[01:44:40]  He could probably kill a bear with his hands, I feel like, or at least if he had a knife.

=== Distinguishing Unhinged Voices (14:09) ===

[01:44:47]  He's been talking about these things for years.
[01:44:50]  About a decade.
[01:44:53]  Yeah, like you can disagree with him.
[01:44:55]  That's fine.
[01:44:57]  But the Matt Chandler rhetoric of boys who can shave, I think it's time to leave that out.
[01:45:04]  Yeah.
[01:45:04]  You know, like you just need to find another line.
[01:45:07]  You need to say, for these reasons, objective reasons, I disagree with the Crusades and therefore disagree with Ogden and their latest project with the King's Hall.
[01:45:18]  That's fine.
[01:45:20]  But But saying they're immature boys or whatever, you're just going to have to find a different way.
[01:45:26]  You built more in five years than you probably will in your lifetime in many cases.
[01:45:30]  Not all cases.
[01:45:30]  These guys, in many cases.
[01:45:32]  Yeah.
[01:45:32]  I mean, the Ogden guys are not to be trifled with.
[01:45:36]  These are guys who, you're right, in five years have built.
[01:45:41]  I mean, it is breathtaking what they've been able to establish.
[01:45:45]  They've got, I mean, these guys have, I won't say because they probably wouldn't want me to because it's their business.
[01:45:52]  If they want to say, they can say.
[01:45:55]  I'll just say they have so much support coming in monthly on Patreon.
[01:46:00]  It is shocking, absolutely shocking and good for them.
[01:46:04]  And I hope it triples.
[01:46:05]  Right.
[01:46:07]  It needs to be even more because it's well spent, it's a good investment.
[01:46:11]  What are they doing with that?
[01:46:13]  Well, in a lot of ways, they're paying it forward.
[01:46:16]  They have a classical Christian school that is only available to the members of their church.
[01:46:22]  They've closed it.
[01:46:23]  So it's a covenant style and not.
[01:46:25]  A mission.
[01:46:26]  It's covenantal and deeply covenantal, only open to members of their church and every member of their church.
[01:46:32]  If they're a tithing member, then they get free enrollment.
[01:46:39]  It's like, well, how can you afford to do that?
[01:46:41]  Well, part of the way they can afford to do that is that the tithes that typically would pay for a church their size, a pastor, an associate pastor, maybe a worship leader, those kinds of things, all those salaries that the tithe money for the church goes to, instead goes to a headmaster and teachers, things like that.
[01:47:00]  It's like, well, then how did the pastors get paid?
[01:47:03]  With New Christian Press.
[01:47:04]  Right, right.
[01:47:05]  Because they were, they had ingenuity, they had innovation, because they worked hard and recorded good content with good quality.
[01:47:14]  Podcasts like Haunted Cosmos and King's Hall and built an empire there so that they could just be rich like Joel Osteen.
[01:47:22]  No, so that the worker who is worthy of the work, they could get a decent salary, a good salary that they deserve for doing good work, and then pass on those benefits to their church.
[01:47:32]  So now you're a member of Refuge and Ogden.
[01:47:36]  And you don't just get a pastor, you get a team of pastors.
[01:47:41]  You get like four or five pastors for the price of one, and your kids get to go to school for free.
[01:47:47]  That's insane.
[01:47:48]  Five days a week, a classical good education.
[01:47:51]  That is like, those guys are putting that money to work.
[01:47:56]  So that's invest in them.
[01:47:58]  So invest in Truth Script and John Harris, invest in Ogden and those guys, invest in AD Robles, use his company.
[01:48:10]  I'm blanking on the name.
[01:48:13]  Stephen Wolf.
[01:48:15]  Yep.
[01:48:15]  Buy his book.
[01:48:17]  You already have it.
[01:48:18]  Buy another copy.
[01:48:19]  Yeah.
[01:48:19]  Somewhere.
[01:48:20]  Yeah.
[01:48:20]  Subscribe to his YouTube channel.
[01:48:21]  That's the big area.
[01:48:22]  Yes.
[01:48:23]  He started a YouTube channel.
[01:48:24]  What is it?
[01:48:25]  It's The Lone Bulwark.
[01:48:27]  So go right now, go to The Lone Bulwark and subscribe and start listening to Stephen Wolf.
[01:48:32]  People hate him.
[01:48:34]  Yeah.
[01:48:34]  They hate him.
[01:48:35]  But here's the thing you guys think that, like, oh, Stephen Wolf, you know, like, There are bad guys out there.
[01:48:44]  There are truly racist guys out there.
[01:48:48]  There are truly Nazi Hitler fanboy guys out there.
[01:48:55]  Stephen Wolfe is not one of those guys.
[01:48:57]  Ogden are not those guys.
[01:48:59]  Andrew Isker is not that guy.
[01:49:00]  We are not those guys.
[01:49:03]  We are guys who are pushing the envelope.
[01:49:05]  And some of you, you're going to have to learn the lesson the hard way, like the way Ali Beth has been learning it.
[01:49:10]  Ali Beth Stucky, you know, who.
[01:49:12]  Hates me, you know, and she's in fact, it's ironic.
[01:49:15]  I'm one of the main reasons that I went public in the first place was because of Allie Beth on the issue of biblical patriarchy.
[01:49:22]  Two years ago, she found a sermon clip, she read it publicly, the transcript on air on her show, pulled out all the leftists.
[01:49:32]  No, the leftists didn't know who I was, pulled out all the complementarian Calvinist moms.
[01:49:39]  So they came out.
[01:49:40]  Yep, so leftists.
[01:49:41]  So they came out of the woodwork.
[01:49:43]  They're not leftists, but they're not helpful.
[01:49:45]  They're not helpful.
[01:49:46]  They came out of the woodwork because they heard Ali Beth and they started making me go viral.
[01:49:51]  And a pastor who now has divorced his wife and left the ministry, Andy Wooder, he, same thing, because he was losing the argument with me on terms of substance when it came to Christian nationalism.
[01:50:02]  He pulled out the patriarchy stuff to try to make me look bad.
[01:50:05]  And Ali Beth picked it up, and all these women picked it up.
[01:50:10]  I'm like, he told his wife not to read a book.
[01:50:14]  He thinks that he has spiritual authority over the spiritual diet of his family.
[01:50:19]  And they all lost their minds.
[01:50:21]  All lost their minds.
[01:50:23]  And that's where ultimately the leftists then found me.
[01:50:26]  The leftists wouldn't even know who I was.
[01:50:28]  I wouldn't have had the time of day.
[01:50:30]  I didn't have enough visibility.
[01:50:32]  You made me visible.
[01:50:34]  And the irony is now, Ali Beth, for a week, has been in this back and forth battle on X with Russell Moore because Russell Moore says Ali Beth holds the biblical view of patriarchy and I don't like it.
[01:50:46]  No.
[01:50:47]  That's never the attempt.
[01:50:49]  Russell Moore is saying, Ali Beth is a Nazi.
[01:50:53]  Ali Beth Stucky.
[01:50:54]  Is he really?
[01:50:55]  Yes.
[01:50:55]  I've been blocked by her for years.
[01:50:57]  Yes.
[01:50:57]  So I can't even see any of this.
[01:50:58]  Right.
[01:50:58]  Yes.
[01:50:58]  Yeah.
[01:50:59]  Because I'm a Nazi.
[01:51:00]  But sometimes it's worth a look because sometimes in God's providence, He does things that are just too sweet.
[01:51:06]  It's just too rich, and you just got to savor it.
[01:51:10]  Ali Bestucky is a Nazi.
[01:51:12]  Here's the thing if you're not being called a Nazi, then you're doing something wrong.
[01:51:19]  Tucker Carlson, Nazi.
[01:51:21]  Ali Bestucky, Nazi.
[01:51:23]  Us, Nazi.
[01:51:25]  Stephen Wolf, Nazi.
[01:51:26]  If you are not being called a Nazi, then you are not pushing against the post war consensus hard enough.
[01:51:31]  You're not.
[01:51:32]  If you're not being called a racist, If you're not being called a racist, then you probably at some level have given in to anti white discrimination.
[01:51:42]  At some level, you might not be doing it to the level of a Democrat, but at some level, you're probably doing that.
[01:51:52]  If you're not being called anti Semitic, then you are probably not pushing against Zionism, which is not biblical, not true to God's word, hard enough.
[01:52:01]  If you're not being called a misogynist, then you are probably not teaching the clear principles of Scripture as it pertains to men and women.
[01:52:09]  If you're not being called a bigot, then you are probably not frequently and courageously enough speaking about the horrors and the abomination of sodomy.
[01:52:23]  Yep.
[01:52:24]  Spurgeon said in a sermon in Hebrews, where it says, Suffer with him outside the camp, that if we're going to be called bigots for believing scripture, all hail bigotry.
[01:52:31]  Right.
[01:52:31]  Right.
[01:52:32]  So they called him that.
[01:52:32]  And so, all this being said, so when you're called a racist, don't actually become a racist.
[01:52:37]  When you're called a Nazi, don't actually become a Nazi.
[01:52:39]  When you're called a misogynist, don't actually hate women.
[01:52:43]  Make sure that it's slander.
[01:52:44]  Doug has said this and he's right.
[01:52:46]  Make sure that it's truly slander, that it's truly false.
[01:52:50]  However, you need to be supporting these guys that we've just named.
[01:53:00]  Stephen Wolf, the whole point in bringing this up is there really are so many guys, I've seen them online say Stephen Wolf is racist.
[01:53:08]  No, he's not.
[01:53:10]  Stephen Wolf literally gave a whole talk in Ogden where he said, it needs to be Protestant Anglos.
[01:53:16]  Uh, Anglo Protestants, um, and then and then he said, and not multiculturalism, and then he explained that there was a way of being an Anglo Protestant, um, and that including, um, Clarence Thomas, including Thomas Sowell, including Vodi Bakum, um, and and I remember like in that talk, you know, you could just tell like the enemies of Stephen Wolfe are getting excited, like, we finally got him, we finally got him on his blatant racism, and and yet, uh, the man is bulletproof,
[01:53:45]  he will always receive bullets from liars.
[01:53:50]  Sure.
[01:53:51]  But in terms of objectively and God's truth, no, he's not a racist.
[01:53:56]  Andrew Isker, right?
[01:53:58]  He wrote his book with Andrew Torba, and people didn't like that they had a whole section on hey, if we're going to be Christian nationalists, it needs to be Christian nationalism and not Judeo Christian nationalism.
[01:54:08]  It cannot be.
[01:54:09]  Zionism is an impediment to Christian nationalism.
[01:54:13]  And I remember the Andrews, Andrew Torba, and Andrew Isker got a lot of flack, and people said, you know, this and that and the other.
[01:54:20]  But Andrew Isker, you will not be able to find him.
[01:54:23]  Publicly saying something that is truly anti Semitic.
[01:54:27]  He's not anti Semitic.
[01:54:28]  He wishes no harm on Jewish people.
[01:54:32]  In fact, he wishes the same thing that we do that they would convert and believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.
[01:54:37]  And we believe that they will be one way or another.
[01:54:40]  And so these are good.
[01:54:42]  My point is, there are unhinged guys.
[01:54:45]  And I want to argue don't support them.
[01:54:48]  You do not need to be supporting Nick Fuentes, who is currently rallying for Kamala Harris.
[01:54:55]  Right.
[01:54:56]  You don't need to support Nick Funtas.
[01:54:59]  You don't.
[01:55:00]  He's not a strong Christian.
[01:55:02]  He's not.
[01:55:03]  Does he say some things that are right?
[01:55:04]  Yes.
[01:55:05]  You do not need to be supporting Andrew Tate.
[01:55:08]  You don't.
[01:55:09]  I understand that your pastor is effeminate.
[01:55:12]  I understand that for most of you men, your pastor is effeminate.
[01:55:16]  And Andrew Tate, at least, you know, isn't 150 pounds overweight.
[01:55:22]  I get that.
[01:55:22]  I do understand.
[01:55:24]  It's Slim Pickens out there.
[01:55:25]  But you do not need to be supporting Andrew Tate.
[01:55:28]  He's a Muslim.
[01:55:30]  And he does degrade women.
[01:55:33]  He is a pimp.
[01:55:34]  He is literally a pimp and has bragged about it.
[01:55:37]  He is not a Christian prince.
[01:55:39]  He's not our guy.
[01:55:40]  Andrew Tate is not our guy.
[01:55:42]  And so, all that being said, there are few and far between, but there are some guys who have the same caliber of courage.
[01:55:51]  They're willing to be hated by millions, same caliber of courage as Andrew Tate and Nick Fuentes.
[01:55:57]  And all the things that Nick Fuentes and Andrew Tate are right about, There are, we have our own guys, Christian Protestant guys who are speaking out on those same things and they're doing it without the stupidity.
[01:56:12]  Yeah.
[01:56:16]  And they're not rich.
[01:56:18]  Andrew Tate is rich.
[01:56:19]  Right.
[01:56:20]  Yep.
[01:56:21]  He doesn't need your $5 from Patreon.
[01:56:25]  He's okay.
[01:56:28]  But Ogden, right response, Andrew Isker.
[01:56:33]  Stephen Wolfe, Eddie Robles, John Harris.
[01:56:39]  These are guys who are saying hard things.
[01:56:42]  They don't capitulate when the mob gets going.
[01:56:48]  They can go viral with 5 million people, and you can counter them the next week to just keep pushing the ball.
[01:56:56]  They're worthy of your support.
[01:56:57]  So, yeah.
[01:56:58]  So, do it.
[01:56:59]  We do want to thank.
[01:57:00]  Yes.
[01:57:00]  Yeah.
[01:57:01]  Yeah.
[01:57:01]  Do it.
[01:57:02]  I mean, you know, we've been on a little bit of a kick of asking for support.
[01:57:06]  Which we have not done in the past and we're not going to do forever.
[01:57:10]  But the response has really been quite overwhelming and incredible.
[01:57:13]  So we're really, really thankful.
[01:57:15]  And a lot of our talk today is not really to you all in the chat right now.
[01:57:19]  You guys are faithful here.
[01:57:22]  You are seeing the same things we're seeing.
[01:57:25]  We're really, really super encouraged by you and thankful for you and proud to have you as part of this Right Response community.
[01:57:33]  And the financial support, along with the support in the chat and even online, things like that.
[01:57:39]  The prayers that you guys give really mean a lot.
[01:57:42]  And so, as we've been asking for help and contributions, honestly, like some people have said, wow, we had no idea that you guys had financial needs, right?
[01:57:51]  So, we're glad that we put them out there.
[01:57:53]  And we're very, very, very thankful to those of you who have responded.
[01:57:56]  We don't want to minimize that in any way or pretend like all we're doing is asking for help and no one is.
[01:58:02]  Like, you guys definitely are.
[01:58:03]  You are.
[01:58:03]  So, thank you very much for that.
[01:58:05]  Yep.
[01:58:05]  You're right, Michael.
[01:58:06]  Thank you.
[01:58:07]  Yeah.
[01:58:07]  Thank you guys so much for your support.
[01:58:09]  And most of you listening right now who listen live in the chat, like Michael said, Um, are our biggest supporters?
[01:58:16]  Um, but some people will listen when it's all said and done, and um, and so for those, uh, we do ask that you support the guys that we recommended.
[01:58:25]  And if you feel so inclined, that you support us also.
[01:58:28]  If you'd like to do that, um, if you'd like to support us, you go to rightresponseministries.com forward slash donate.
[01:58:35]  Rightresponseministries.com forward slash donate.
[01:58:39]  Um, all right, that's that's all I got.
[01:58:42]  Any other thoughts?
[01:58:42]  We missed a great opportunity.
[01:58:44]  It's Halloween next week, we're talking about Batman.
[01:58:47]  We could have all just done it as Batman.
[01:58:48]  This would have been the one chance we got to do it.
[01:58:50]  Yep.
[01:58:51]  Next year.
[01:58:52]  Next year.
[01:58:52]  All right.
[01:58:53]  Well, thank you guys for tuning in.
[01:58:54]  And Lord willing, we'll see you again next week.