NXR Podcast - THE FRIDAY SPECIAL - Why Talmudic Judaism Is A Perversion Of The Old Testament with Andrew Isker
Aired: 2024-10-11
Duration: 51:58


=== Paywalling Theological History (02:14) ===

[00:00:00]  All right, I'm going to be honest with you.
[00:00:03]  This one, it's going behind the paywall.
[00:00:05]  It's not something we typically do.
[00:00:07]  In fact, thus far, every single piece of content that we've produced here at Right Response Ministries has eventually been made available to you for free publicly.
[00:00:17]  This is an exception, though.
[00:00:19]  First two episodes will launch publicly.
[00:00:22]  The next seven episodes will exclusively be available for our members at patreon.com forward slash Right Response Ministries.
[00:00:30]  Why?
[00:00:31]  Well, I'll give you the reason.
[00:00:34]  Because right now, the vast majority of evangelical Christians are not ready for the conversation that we have in these episodes.
[00:00:42]  And frankly, you and I both know that many of those individuals are actually bad faith actors who will seek to slice it up, take us out of context, put it out there for the World Wide Web in order to discredit this ministry and see to it that we're canceled.
[00:00:59]  And honestly, I'm not willing to let that happen.
[00:01:02]  What conversation am I even talking about?
[00:01:04]  I'm talking about.
[00:01:06]  Nine part series between myself and Pastor Andrew Isker on Israel the history, the scripture, the whole big shebang.
[00:01:17]  Check it out at patreon.com forward slash right response ministries.
[00:01:22]  You can get every single episode available now, all of it ad free.
[00:01:26]  And here's a couple clips just to whet your appetite.
[00:01:29]  And so, our entire moral framework is based around 1930 and 1940, and every bad thing is Hitler.
[00:01:37]  Every failure to confront the bad thing is Neville Chamberlain.
[00:01:42]  And Saddam Hussein, Hitler.
[00:01:44]  Vladimir Putin, Hitler.
[00:01:45]  Donald Trump, Hitler.
[00:01:47]  That's the only moral framework that we have that is operable.
[00:01:51]  So the moment that a young man crosses the aisle and the don't believe your lying eyes rhetoric doesn't work any longer, and he's just noticed too much because it really is that blatantly obvious.
[00:02:03]  He has nowhere else to go.
[00:02:03]  And he crosses the aisle.
[00:02:04]  Well, the moment he crosses the aisle, there's no reasonable, wise, mature leader over there.
[00:02:08]  You would just have the guys on the TV telling them, This is what the Bible says.
[00:02:13]  You have to believe this, right?

=== Hitler As Moral Framework (15:58) ===

[00:02:15]  On the radio, the Christian radio stations, you'd only hear those guys preaching that particular thing.
[00:02:22]  When that is actually, when you look at all of church history, that's the minority view, the tiny minority view.
[00:02:29]  The rest of theological history in the church is that, you know, is the kind of stuff that we're saying.
[00:02:37]  Yeah, this one's a banger.
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[00:02:46]  right now, available today.
[00:02:50]  The other aspect of this argument is the anachronism of its application into the future.
[00:02:55]  It makes sense that the Jews would envy their God going to the Gentiles.
[00:02:59]  Seeing and hearing Gentiles throughout the Oikumenae, the Greco-Roman world, read the Torah and the prophets, singing and eating in worship, which are activities only allowable at the temple, would enrage them to no end.
[00:03:13]  In our modern context, and any context after AD 70, this does not have the same effect.
[00:03:18]  The overwhelming majority of those called Jews today are secular and agnostic.
[00:03:23]  And among those who are not, their religion is not the religion of the Old Testament, but of the traditions of the rabbis codified in the Talmud and the Mishnah.
[00:03:32]  The Old Testament religion was of temple, sacrifice, and keeping the covenant.
[00:03:37]  None of those things exist anymore.
[00:03:39]  When we go to plant churches, we do not operate the same way Paul did in the transitional period between Old and New Covenant.
[00:03:48]  We don't hang out at the synagogue and preach until they kick us out.
[00:03:52]  The Old Covenant Jew and the Old Covenant Gentile were united in Christ, and after Christ came in judgment to end the Old Covenant, taking apart the world that both Jews and Gentiles were under, the distinction no longer holds.
[00:04:10]  The world is now divided up between those in Christ and outside of Christ, those in his kingdom and those not yet.
[00:04:20]  Whatever those called Jews today are, they are not Old Covenant Jews, because such a people No longer exist.
[00:04:28]  They are now an ethnic group, like any other, that will one day bow the knee to Jesus.
[00:04:36]  They are not Israel, not in the true sense, because Israel came to its spiritual and covenantal end in AD 70.
[00:04:45]  To talk of a future conversion of Israel today is like talking about a future conversion of the Amalekites or Hittites.
[00:04:53]  A people could exist who maybe even took their 23andMe and can claim some genetic descent to these ancient peoples.
[00:05:00]  And perhaps even began to adopt their ancient religious rites.
[00:05:05]  But they neither are those people from the book of Genesis, nor are they Gentiles, because the category of Gentile no longer exists covenantally.
[00:05:37]  You know, what I love about this season of the Friday special is, number one, it's your second time.
[00:05:43]  This is still...
[00:05:44]  We're still in the first year of you even doing this show.
[00:05:47]  And you made two appearances.
[00:05:48]  I get to be here twice.
[00:05:50]  You get to be here twice.
[00:05:51]  So, Andrew Isker is so nice, we had to have him twice.
[00:05:53]  That's right.
[00:05:54]  So, we have you twice.
[00:05:56]  But, you know, some of the things we've done so far were controversial.
[00:06:00]  Boniface Option, that was a little controversial.
[00:06:03]  Mermaids, that one people absolutely hate it.
[00:06:06]  I understand.
[00:06:07]  Maybe it's a little wacky, probably is.
[00:06:10]  And then, you know, right now we've got a series as we're recording this.
[00:06:14]  Our third season is with Coltish, and there's some controversial things there.
[00:06:18]  We're talking about Taylor Swift and the divine feminine and those kinds of things.
[00:06:23]  But this season, I think, is just right because there's nothing controversial, right?
[00:06:29]  At all about any of these things.
[00:06:31]  Yeah, there's nothing controversial.
[00:06:32]  Everybody agrees.
[00:06:33]  If you want, you know, if you want a conversation piece that you know is sure not to offend anybody, something that every Christian can agree on.
[00:06:42]  It's the subject of Israel.
[00:06:43]  That's right.
[00:06:45]  That's right.
[00:06:45]  All right.
[00:06:46]  So, how do you want to start us off with this episode?
[00:06:48]  Well, I think even just going to what we read in the beginning in the Cold Open is extremely important to wrap our minds around what is occurring in the New Testament era.
[00:07:03]  That you have, right, the majority of the Bible is Old Testament, it's an old covenant and the history of this particular people, Israel.
[00:07:13]  And then you get to the New Testament and something new.
[00:07:16]  And different is happening.
[00:07:17]  There's a major shift, a major change to a new people, right?
[00:07:23]  The people of God in Christ, which are Jew and Gentile, that these distinctions between the old covenant and the new covenant are breaking down.
[00:07:32]  The distinctions between this particular people set apart from the rest of the world to minister to the nations, right?
[00:07:40]  That distinction is being broken down.
[00:07:42]  Paul says in Ephesians, the wall of separation, right, between Jew and Gentile has been torn down.
[00:07:49]  And And so, what does that mean both in the first century, in Paul's time, in his context, and in ours?
[00:07:56]  It means that these categories, these covenantal categories, it's almost like I like to describe it as it's like God has Tupperware, two kinds of Tupperware that he puts people in in the Old Covenant.
[00:08:08]  You've got the Jew, puts them in there, and they're separate out from the rest of the people of the whole world, the Gentile.
[00:08:16]  These two buckets that he puts them in.
[00:08:20]  Those are gone.
[00:08:23]  You still have a distinction, but it's between in Christ and not in Christ.
[00:08:30]  Two covenantal heads Adam and Christ.
[00:08:34]  And so that is the distinction that's operative in the New Covenant.
[00:08:38]  The distinction between Jew and Gentile no longer is.
[00:08:41]  And you still see it in the New Testament era, as the New Testament is being written, the time between Pentecost and I think 70 AD, that 40 years, because there's still a temple standing.
[00:08:54]  Aspects and remnants of the old covenant that are still in operation as the gospel and as the spirit of God is breaking into the world and decreating it, tearing it apart.
[00:09:05]  One of the things I didn't do in this book, because I think it's maybe a future book, right?
[00:09:10]  It deserves a book of its own, is get into the book of Revelation, right?
[00:09:16]  But that book, you read it and you see it, especially from this perspective, it is all about that old creation world, right?
[00:09:25]  Old covenant world being deconstructed by God.
[00:09:29]  You see these patterns of seven all over the place, and particularly in judgments, not just the seven bulls and seven trumpets and seven of everything, but the world, right?
[00:09:39]  You see the days of creation going backwards in the old creation world.
[00:09:43]  He is tearing it down, he's demolishing it piece by piece.
[00:09:46]  He's ripping out the drywall, then all of the studs, and then tearing out the foundation and building something new.
[00:09:52]  And part of that, part of the features of the construction of the old covenant, the old creation, are these distinctions between Jew and Gentile.
[00:10:01]  So in the new creation, In the new world that Christ has made after his resurrection, after his ascension, after Pentecost, and after his judgment on the old covenant, 8070.
[00:10:13]  That new world is one in which those distinctions aren't there anymore.
[00:10:19]  Those categories of human beings that were operative, were very real in the old covenant, are no longer here anymore.
[00:10:26]  So I don't even like when people use the terminology, well, we're Gentiles or they're Jews.
[00:10:31]  It's like, no, no, we're not.
[00:10:32]  We're in Christ.
[00:10:34]  Right, we are in Jesus Christ, who is the seed of Abraham.
[00:10:37]  Right, we are the covenantal people.
[00:10:40]  Right, that same covenant all throughout the whole Bible that belongs to us.
[00:10:45]  Right, that's our we're grafted into the covenantal tree in Romans 11.
[00:10:50]  And the people on the outside, they don't, there's not some category of right, you are you are kind of sort of covenant people out here.
[00:10:58]  It's like, no, there's no covenant promises to you apart from Jesus Christ, right?
[00:11:02]  There are no these categories, they're gone.
[00:11:05]  They're gone completely.
[00:11:06]  So if you think about it in those terms, and then you read Romans 11, right, of what has occurred in the new covenant, what has occurred in the destruction of the old covenant, which Paul or whoever wrote Hebrews says in chapter 8 is about to pass away, then,
[00:11:23]  right, you read Romans 11, you have to conclude, especially you look at the time markers there that we mentioned in the last episode, now and in the present time, right, you have to reach this conclusion that whatever Paul is describing about this conversion of his people, the Jews, his countrymen, his kinsmen, You know, being a mass conversion happening and all of Israel being saved, well, then that means, right, that that had to have happened in that period,
[00:11:49]  in that past period between when he wrote Romans and the end of the Old Covenant.
[00:11:54]  Right.
[00:11:54]  It's not something that we're still waiting for.
[00:11:56]  And so that's all wrapping up.
[00:11:59]  Jews are getting saved.
[00:12:01]  There's a partial, not a total, but a partial hardening.
[00:12:03]  So some Jews are still getting saved.
[00:12:05]  Many are stubborn and doubling down in unbelief.
[00:12:08]  And then it really is a mercy of God.
[00:12:10]  Yeah.
[00:12:11]  God's justice, it's funny, but God's justice always comes as a package deal along with his mercy.
[00:12:17]  It's a judgment for the wicked, but in the judgment of the wicked always comes a mercy for the righteous and a kindness towards the righteous.
[00:12:26]  And so God brings judgment on Jerusalem in the finality of this wrapping up of a garment, the final stroke of the axe at the root of the tree that finally sent timber.
[00:12:39]  Yes, and now it's coming down.
[00:12:40]  And now it comes down.
[00:12:41]  And that is a mercy because one of the things that it does.
[00:12:47]  Is that if anybody hadn't listened to the warnings of Paul saying, stop hedging your bets, trust in Christ alone?
[00:12:52]  Well, now they have no choice.
[00:12:54]  You don't get to make animal sacrifices anymore.
[00:12:56]  You don't have the temple anymore.
[00:12:58]  There is only Christ or nothing.
[00:12:59]  There's Christ or nothing.
[00:13:01]  And we believe that that Christ or nothing strategy on God's part in his judgment actually wrought a great many of Jews turning in repentance.
[00:13:16]  And faith to Jesus.
[00:13:17]  I mean, there's some historical evidence of this.
[00:13:20]  And just thinking through this, right?
[00:13:24]  If this prophecy of Christ, which is one of the things, the main things that the charge against him that made them want to kill him is, I'm going to destroy the temple.
[00:13:35]  I'm going to destroy the temple.
[00:13:37]  Within this generation, right, within 40 years, this temple is going to be destroyed.
[00:13:42]  And then it actually happens.
[00:13:45]  And they experience that judgment.
[00:13:49]  We don't think about 70 AD nearly enough.
[00:13:53]  You're talking millions.
[00:13:54]  Of people, millions of dead bodies scattered around, millions more taken away into slavery, and the city burned.
[00:14:04]  I mean, imagine what that would look like to one of our cities in America, the terror and the horror of an experience like that.
[00:14:12]  And here, this Jesus.
[00:14:13]  Doesn't the scripture say it was worse than the world had ever seen and ever will again?
[00:14:18]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:14:19]  And certainly in a spiritual sense, because this is the center of God's world in the old covenant, him destroying, him nuking it.
[00:14:28]  Is the worst, right?
[00:14:29]  If this is the center of the city that God loves more than any other, and he destroys it, that is absolutely the worst.
[00:14:36]  And so they experience this judgment.
[00:14:39]  And what happens?
[00:14:40]  Jesus, the prophet, right?
[00:14:42]  The prophet that Moses spoke about is vindicated, right?
[00:14:46]  His words are confirmed, right?
[00:14:48]  You have that happen to you, and here's this prophet who predicted it exactly to the tay.
[00:14:54]  And what are you going to do?
[00:14:54]  You're going to believe what he said.
[00:14:56]  You're like, oh, he was God.
[00:14:57]  I should believe in him.
[00:14:58]  It's such a shame.
[00:14:59]  Don't you feel like it's such a shame?
[00:15:01]  When evangelical Christians forfeit, we concede one of the greatest fulfillments of Christ's prophecies that we have in Scripture.
[00:15:13]  We have all these prophecies of the Old Testament that are fulfilled in Christ.
[00:15:17]  But then we have this glaring, profound prophecy from Christ that is fulfilled precisely as he said with this generation, will not pass away.
[00:15:27]  So within one generation, not a stone of the temple being left on another.
[00:15:31]  And we'll kind of, you know, we'll acknowledge that one.
[00:15:34]  Oh, yeah, that happened.
[00:15:36]  But then in the same breath, Jesus doesn't just stop there.
[00:15:39]  He doesn't just prophesy and say that the temple will be literally deconstructed.
[00:15:44]  But he also says that I will come on the clouds in judgment, this local.
[00:15:48]  And so we're like, well, the temple was destroyed and that was going to happen in one generation.
[00:15:52]  And so Jesus nailed it on that prophecy.
[00:15:54]  But then, you know, even though this is all just in one speech that he's giving to these people in Jerusalem, we're going to say that, you know, all this other part of what Jesus is saying is going to be fulfilled.
[00:16:04]  Yeah.
[00:16:04]  Thousands of years from now, you know, and we miss out.
[00:16:07]  Yeah, I wasn't there like a moment where was it Christopher Hitchens who had you know tried to have his gotcha moment with Doug?
[00:16:14]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:16:15]  And he was like, Well, uh, Jesus is a false prophet because he said within one generation, the but and you can see just Doug smiled, Doug just smiles, and he's like, I got you.
[00:16:24]  What you know, what what are you gonna do now?
[00:16:27]  And Doug says, Uh, that happened, yeah, he did that, he did that.
[00:16:31]  Uh, Jesus didn't prophesy falsely, he did come, he came in judgment.
[00:16:36]  He ended the old covenant.
[00:16:37]  All these things are done.
[00:16:39]  And then you and I would just go one step further than Doug and say, and another thing that he did was what Paul writes about in Romans 11.
[00:16:46]  So it's not just the judgment of Matthew 24.
[00:16:48]  He brought the remnant in.
[00:16:49]  But it's also the revival of Romans 11.
[00:16:52]  That happened as well.
[00:16:55]  And one of the signs that that happened is that the Christian church around the entire world has been experiencing the very life from the dead that Paul says in Romans 11.
[00:17:05]  Christendom is the, to me, Christendom, 1500 years.
[00:17:10]  From Constantine all the way up until, I want to say now, but gosh, we suck these days.
[00:17:16]  So let's say from Constantine up until the 20th century.
[00:17:19]  Up to the 20th century, right up until 1945.
[00:17:23]  But from Constantine up until the last century, that incredible mustard seed growing into this tree, leaven working through the batch of dough, this chrysodom permeating all the nations of the earth is the very life from the dead that Paul promised would happen.
[00:17:43]  And it's because, it's not because there's this promise of a future spiritual revival among.
[00:17:49]  Israel, according to the flesh, that you know, or even according to the old covenant, that's you know, uh, indicative of you know, the offspring of Abraham and that it's in our future, and one day it'll happen, and then we'll experience this life from the dead among the Gentiles.
[00:18:02]  No, we've been experiencing life from the dead revival around the world, uh, for centuries and centuries and centuries because it already happened.
[00:18:10]  So, this is what I want to talk about now, if you'll oblige.

=== Third Temple In Jerusalem (08:26) ===

[00:18:13]  Is um, the temple is destroyed, yeah, it's rebuilt, right?
[00:18:18]  So, Solomon's temple is destroyed, uh, it's rebuilt, we see in Ezra and Nehemiah.
[00:18:24]  Then that one gets destroyed in 8070.
[00:18:27]  Has there ever, will there, a two part question, will there ever be a third temple?
[00:18:32]  And has there ever been an attempt at a third temple?
[00:18:37]  Yeah, well, is there a third temple?
[00:18:39]  And this is a good question because I would say, yes, there is.
[00:18:47]  There is a third temple, right?
[00:18:49]  And that is, you see that in the book of Ephesians.
[00:18:52]  Paul talks about the third temple.
[00:18:54]  And what is it?
[00:18:55]  What has its cornerstone, which is Jesus Christ?
[00:18:58]  And then it's the foundation of apostles and prophets.
[00:19:00]  Yeah.
[00:19:01]  And then the living stones of the temple are the people of God.
[00:19:06]  So, you know, actually, we're recording this on a Monday.
[00:19:09]  You and I were in the third temple yesterday, right?
[00:19:12]  In church, right?
[00:19:14]  We were there.
[00:19:15]  And if, you know, we go there every Sunday to the third temple.
[00:19:18]  So the third temple has been constructed, it's currently continually being constructed.
[00:19:22]  The third temple has been under construction for 2,000 years.
[00:19:27]  Yeah.
[00:19:28]  19 and a half centuries, and really before, you know, it's coming up as the old covenant is winding down.
[00:19:34]  The third temple is the church.
[00:19:36]  Has anybody ever tried to build a literal third temple while rejecting Christ?
[00:19:40]  Yeah, they did.
[00:19:41]  And how did that work out?
[00:19:42]  So after Constantine, you have all the Roman emperors after him were Christians, except for one.
[00:19:49]  One of them, I believe it was his nephew, actually, Julian.
[00:19:54]  He apostatized, right?
[00:19:55]  He's known in history as Julian the Apostate.
[00:19:58]  So he hated Christianity, he hated the Christian religion.
[00:20:00]  He tried to He was an ex evangelical, right?
[00:20:04]  He tried to deconvert.
[00:20:05]  He was very bitter and nasty and angry, tried to put up all the pagan statues and everything else.
[00:20:09]  Just Russell Moore.
[00:20:10]  That's right.
[00:20:11]  Okay.
[00:20:11]  Got it.
[00:20:12]  And what did he do?
[00:20:12]  Right?
[00:20:13]  He said, All right, all of the Jews, I'm really going to spite the Christians because I hate these guys.
[00:20:20]  And, right, here's a billion dollars.
[00:20:22]  Go rebuild a temple in Jerusalem.
[00:20:25]  We'll resettle you in this land.
[00:20:27]  And so they go back to Jerusalem and they gather all the materials and everything.
[00:20:33]  Very first day of construction.
[00:20:34]  And, like, you can, as of the recording, anyway, you can go on Wikipedia, right?
[00:20:39]  Just nasty atheist Reddit, Wikipedia, and they still have an article about this, right?
[00:20:46]  Very first day of construction, what happens?
[00:20:50]  The ground, right, opens up and swallows them alive, and fireballs come from the heavens to consume them.
[00:20:58]  Wow.
[00:20:58]  And it's a bad idea to try to rebuild a temple.
[00:21:03]  God does not want.
[00:21:04]  We already got a temple.
[00:21:07]  It's God's people.
[00:21:07]  It's the Church of Jesus Christ.
[00:21:10]  So, don't, yeah, don't, like, if you care about not having World War III, right, don't tear down the Al Aqsa Mosque and try to rebuild the temple because day one of construction isn't going to look so pretty.
[00:21:25]  It'll look like that.
[00:21:26]  Yeah.
[00:21:27]  So, this idea that, you know, the Jews aren't Christians, but, you know, this people in the modern, you know, nation state of Israel, that they are, you know, the genetic descendants of Abraham and that there's still this hangover promise for them.
[00:21:43]  In our future, that you know, they either, you know, either land promises, physical promises, like dispensationalists would hold, you know, a divine right to this land, or, or at minimum, a lot of supersessionist covenant guys still hold to, you know, there's at least spiritual promises still in our future for the Jews, a great revival that many will come to salvation, and that that would be kind of like the catalyst, a Kickstarter towards like a post millennial golden age.
[00:22:08]  Many of the Puritans held to that view at all, not all, not all, but, but many of them held to that view.
[00:22:13]  Like John Owen is one of them, yeah.
[00:22:15]  So, but my point is, It doesn't seem like Richard the Lionheart or Duke Godfrey.
[00:22:25]  They've read Defenders of the West.
[00:22:26]  Yeah.
[00:22:27]  And Sword and Scimitar.
[00:22:28]  Yeah.
[00:22:28]  All of those guys.
[00:22:29]  And God's Battalions.
[00:22:30]  Yeah.
[00:22:31]  Were they thinking that?
[00:22:32]  Were they thinking that?
[00:22:33]  I am a male with testosterone.
[00:22:36]  So, yes, I've read those books.
[00:22:37]  Of course I did.
[00:22:37]  Everybody read those books.
[00:22:38]  If you didn't, you know, then.
[00:22:39]  You should.
[00:22:40]  You should.
[00:22:41]  And you also need to do, you know, R. Arena with, you know, the Return of the Strong Gods.
[00:22:47]  Yeah.
[00:22:48]  In Arena.
[00:22:49]  If you're, yeah.
[00:22:50]  If you're.
[00:22:51]  If you don't know what the post war consensus is and you don't realize that the Crusades were good, not perfect, but good, then you missed a whole year.
[00:23:01]  You need to be on Twitter more.
[00:23:02]  Yes, sir.
[00:23:04]  Exactly.
[00:23:05]  But what I was going to say is these guys, when you think of the Crusades, what are they trying to do?
[00:23:09]  Like they're trying to capture Jerusalem, but they're not trying to.
[00:23:14]  These are not the Christians spending their wealth or their lives, the lives of their people.
[00:23:20]  To capture Jerusalem for the Jews so that they can bring them back to the land, build the temple so we can have Jesus come back.
[00:23:26]  No, they're saying it cannot be the center of Islam.
[00:23:29]  It also cannot be the center of Judaism.
[00:23:32]  Jerusalem is a Christian city.
[00:23:33]  Yeah, it belongs to Christ.
[00:23:35]  They wanted to capture it for Christ.
[00:23:36]  Now, some of their views, I mean, they maybe had a superstitious or mystical view of Jerusalem that it's holier than anywhere else, right?
[00:23:47]  Wherever God's people are gathered, that's Jerusalem, that's Mount Zion.
[00:23:51]  So, when we sing the Psalms, and it's all these Psalms about Mount Zion and Jerusalem and these blessings to Israel, it's not anachronistic.
[00:24:00]  It's not replacement theology to say, well, where is Israel?
[00:24:03]  It's where Christ is.
[00:24:05]  And where is he?
[00:24:07]  When his people gather, when two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them.
[00:24:12]  It's when God's people gather together to worship, there he is, and there is Mount Zion right there.
[00:24:18]  And so, as Richard the Linehearted is gathering his army to battle, and they're They're worshiping the entire time on the way down there, right?
[00:24:27]  They're already in Jerusalem, right?
[00:24:28]  So they have, you know, they have this medieval view that of the Holy Land, right?
[00:24:33]  The Holy Land that is holier there than it is back in England or in France, right?
[00:24:37]  And but even you and I, we would still acknowledge that, um, that yes, uh, wherever the church gathers, two or three in my name, um, and that's not just talking about two or three people on a Tuesday afternoon with an ovation, acoustic guitar, the gym bass ring, you know, Kumbaya, it's not that, it's not in your college dorm room.
[00:24:57]  You know, it's word and sacrament being offered.
[00:25:00]  Yes, this is Matthew 18.
[00:25:02]  When Jesus says that, it's in the same context as tell it to the church, it's church discipline.
[00:25:06]  So, it's talking about Christ being, Christ is always present by virtue of the indwelling ministry of the Holy Spirit for believers.
[00:25:13]  The Spirit exudes the ministry and the spirit of the resurrected Christ.
[00:25:16]  So, Christ is present even if you are an individual Christian in isolation, in confinement because of persecution.
[00:25:23]  Christ is with you.
[00:25:24]  But Jesus is promising in Matthew 18 to be especially, or we might say uniquely, present on the Lord's Day when the church is gathered on the Lord's Day for church and he's present for the purpose of authority.
[00:25:36]  Yeah, present in the same way that.
[00:25:38]  God was present in the Holy of Holies in the tabernacle and the temple, right?
[00:25:42]  His glory cloud comes down and smoke fills the temple, and there's his presence.
[00:25:46]  And in the Old Covenant, right, you couldn't get too close or you'd get burned up.
[00:25:51]  Right.
[00:25:51]  Right.
[00:25:51]  New Covenant, he's present.
[00:25:53]  There he is.
[00:25:54]  Glory cloud is coming down.
[00:25:55]  This is what we, you know, in liturgy in my church and many churches, right, when you're saying, right, with angels and archangels and all the company of heaven, that's actually literally happening when God's people gather together in worship, right?
[00:26:08]  You are in the temple, you're in the Holy of Holies.
[00:26:10]  Worshiping Christ.
[00:26:11]  He's present there among you.
[00:26:12]  You've drawn near to him and he's specially present in that way.
[00:26:16]  Yes.
[00:26:17]  And so you and I have that view that that happens anywhere the church gathers on the Lord's day for the word to be rightly preached, the sacraments rightly administered.
[00:26:26]  There, a church of God exists, even if it swarms with many faults.
[00:26:29]  John Calvin, wherever the church gathers on the Lord's day, whether it be in Asia or whether it be in Russia or whether it be here in these United States, that is in the truest, ultimate, highest sense.

=== Israel's Right To Land (07:27) ===

[00:26:40]  Or Gaza.
[00:26:41]  Well, Gaza.
[00:26:42]  Amen.
[00:26:43]  That in the truest, highest, eternal sense is Jerusalem.
[00:26:46]  That is the holy city of God.
[00:26:48]  That is the third temple.
[00:26:50]  And Christ is right there as the cornerstone in our midst.
[00:26:53]  That said, there is something still valuable in the temporal, earthly plane.
[00:26:58]  And historically speaking, of saying, yeah, and we also want to realize that in the eternal, spiritual sense, the church, wherever she is, is Jerusalem.
[00:27:09]  And also, that piece of land also belongs to Christ.
[00:27:14]  And in a symbolic sense, in a historical sense, as a monument to God's glory and his faithfulness and his cut.
[00:27:21]  Yeah, we want to take Jerusalem.
[00:27:23]  And also, even in an economic sense, in a foreign affairs peace sense, if the Crusaders, the Christian Crusaders, had won, the world would be different.
[00:27:35]  It would be better.
[00:27:36]  It would be better, unequivocally better.
[00:27:39]  Or even if the British just maintained the Palestinian mandate and it was just a colony.
[00:27:46]  But Zionism and dispensationalism are a hell of a drug.
[00:27:50]  Yeah.
[00:27:51]  And it has been unceasing war ever since.
[00:27:54]  And you just think about it, right?
[00:27:56]  Ask of me, and I'll give you the nations as my inheritance.
[00:27:58]  The nations belong to Christ, right?
[00:28:00]  He ascends to the right hand of the Father, and that's all authority in heaven and earth are given to him.
[00:28:05]  All the nations belong to him.
[00:28:07]  But then, right, the dispensationalists will say, except one little stretch of land, there are these everlasting promises to a particular ethnic group.
[00:28:19]  That they get to have that, Jesus gets to have everything else.
[00:28:22]  Right.
[00:28:22]  Right.
[00:28:23]  No.
[00:28:24]  No, that land belongs to Jesus.
[00:28:27]  Right.
[00:28:27]  He is the seed of Abraham, right.
[00:28:29]  These, the true seed of Abraham, the faithful one, right.
[00:28:32]  That kept and maintained the promises, right.
[00:28:36]  By faith.
[00:28:37]  Right.
[00:28:37]  Right.
[00:28:37]  Not by the law.
[00:28:39]  And that stretch of land, that real estate, that's his.
[00:28:44]  Right.
[00:28:44]  That belongs to him and to his people, right.
[00:28:47]  To his co heirs, to the church.
[00:28:48]  Abraham was promised a particular land, but to his seed.
[00:28:54]  And Paul says this explicitly in the New Testament not seeds, but seed singular.
[00:28:58]  So the seed is not Israel as a nation, but Christ as one particular descendant.
[00:29:05]  There aren't multiple covenants happening at the same time.
[00:29:07]  That's right.
[00:29:08]  So to Abraham is promised a particular land, but to his seed, that is Christ, is promised all the land.
[00:29:15]  Yeah.
[00:29:15]  Including that particular land.
[00:29:16]  Including that particular land.
[00:29:17]  Yeah.
[00:29:17]  All the land.
[00:29:19]  But then, furthermore, we as the New Testament church, as Christians, have a union by the Spirit through faith with Christ, branches attached to the vine, from whom is the source of all nourishment and spiritual blessings and tangible blessings.
[00:29:35]  And we have been named as.
[00:29:38]  Co heirs with Christ.
[00:29:41]  So anything that is promised by God to Christ belongs rightfully to us.
[00:29:47]  Yeah.
[00:29:48]  So what Joel, you're calling for right now is another crusade to go to Jesus.
[00:29:51]  I was just about to say there are ways to do these things that are unhinged and stupid, and there are ways to do these things that are ethical principles of just war theory and all these things.
[00:30:01]  So there are lots of disclaimers.
[00:30:03]  These things apply.
[00:30:05]  And for the record, just for the record, I do not believe that Israel, the modern state of Israel today, has a divine right to that land.
[00:30:16]  But let me just explain what I mean by that.
[00:30:18]  I don't believe that America has a divine right to this land, or Brazil has it.
[00:30:23]  I don't believe that any nation or any peoples on the earth has a divine right.
[00:30:26]  What I mean by that is everybody has a providential right.
[00:30:30]  You're there.
[00:30:31]  You're there.
[00:30:31]  And so whether the land was taken unethically or whether it was settled in an ethical way, whether.
[00:30:38]  However, you got there, every piece of land that's currently occupied and ruled by a particular people, that land was taken or settled from some other people, and all that happened under the banner of the sovereignty of God, who's sovereign and providential over all things.
[00:30:53]  And so here's the deal do I think that modern Jews should have been placed smack dab in the middle of a bunch of Muslims?
[00:31:02]  Is that a great idea?
[00:31:03]  No, I don't think that's a great idea.
[00:31:05]  No, I think that was historically, I think we'll eventually look back and say that that was one of the biggest mistakes.
[00:31:10]  That the West got involved and made happen because it wouldn't have been achieved without us.
[00:31:15]  And we wouldn't have done it without dispensationalism.
[00:31:18]  So we'll look and say, whoa, that was one of the biggest theological psyops that caused.
[00:31:22]  And here's the thing theology, what you believe, has political consequences.
[00:31:26]  So we believe bad theology.
[00:31:29]  We then made bad political decisions.
[00:31:31]  It then resulted in bad consequences, unceasing war for decades now.
[00:31:37]  And eventually, I think we'll look back and say, that was a really bad decision.
[00:31:40]  However, The point is that within God's providence, God is sovereign over all things, not just good decisions, but also poor decisions.
[00:31:48]  And so here's the deal regardless of whether or not it was a right decision, and I think it was a very wrong decision to put Israel in 1948.
[00:31:57]  However, God ordained that.
[00:32:01]  But He did not, it's not a divine right.
[00:32:03]  What I mean is, God did not ordain it as a fulfillment of prophecy in the Old Testament.
[00:32:09]  Yeah, this is a description, you're describing God's will.
[00:32:13]  Exactly.
[00:32:14]  It's not prescriptive.
[00:32:15]  It's descriptive.
[00:32:16]  So, this is not a prescriptive prophecy, Old Testament prophecy, that Israel must exist and it must have this land and it must rebuild this third temple and it must.
[00:32:26]  No, none of this is a fulfillment to eschatological prophecy.
[00:32:29]  Yeah.
[00:32:29]  That's wrong.
[00:32:30]  It's history playing out.
[00:32:31]  That's right.
[00:32:32]  However, in the providence of God, Israel, the modern state of Israel, still has a right, a temporal, or I should maybe even say a current or present right to that land in the same way that Americans do.
[00:32:45]  It's not a divine prophecy that, oh, we're.
[00:32:47]  This is our land and it will be for all of time until the end of the age.
[00:32:51]  No, no, no, we can be kicked out of the land.
[00:32:53]  We can be conquered by a nation.
[00:32:54]  We can lose a war.
[00:32:55]  We can lose a war.
[00:32:56]  But currently, Americans have this land that all things that happen happen under the providence of God.
[00:33:03]  So, in that sense, God did ordain it.
[00:33:05]  And we have a right to self defense.
[00:33:07]  And I would say the same for Israel.
[00:33:09]  They have a right to self defense.
[00:33:10]  It is currently their land, but they do not have an eternal, indefinite divine right.
[00:33:16]  And one day, Israel, the modern state of Israel, the Israelis, will lose the land.
[00:33:25]  It will belong to Christians, and it may belong to those particular people or their descendants or their descendants who will become Christians and convert to Christ.
[00:33:34]  Because the knowledge of the glory of God will cover the whole earth as the waters cover the sea.
[00:33:38]  Amen.
[00:33:40]  I think, I mean, along those lines, an interesting point, I mean, just in dealing with some of the objections to this view of Romans 11 is, yeah, especially like the Puritan view or the majority report reformed view on Romans 11 is, right, well, this particular people, right, ethnic, Israel, right?

=== Judaism And Demographic Trends (14:35) ===

[00:34:07]  People who practice Judaism and so forth, right?
[00:34:10]  They have to perpetually exist as a distinct people, right?
[00:34:15]  Distinct ethno religious group forever in order for this promise to be fulfilled.
[00:34:23]  But if you look at demographic trends in post war, post war consensus, you know, secularist world, that has hit You know, Jews very hard, especially the secular Jews, but even religious ones as well.
[00:34:44]  It's a, you know, it's like a well known, you know, joke now.
[00:34:48]  What's the difference between, you know, Donald Trump and a Jewish rabbi?
[00:34:53]  I don't know, tell me.
[00:34:57]  Trump has Jewish grandchildren.
[00:34:59]  Right.
[00:35:00]  I mean, and so, like, it's a real thing.
[00:35:02]  Right.
[00:35:02]  Right.
[00:35:02]  I mean, if there's Jewish people watching this, you know, maybe hate watching this, that's a concern that they have is they do not have.
[00:35:09]  Grandchildren, their kids, or if they do have grandchildren, their children are marrying non Jews and they're not maintaining traditions and they're just assimilating into secularism.
[00:35:16]  Secularism doesn't value posterity.
[00:35:18]  Just living for YOLO, you only live once your own generation.
[00:35:22]  And if all religions are all kind of the same, none of it really matters.
[00:35:25]  And so much of secularism, correct me if I'm wrong or if you need a disclaimer or nuance, but so much of secularism has come out of modern Jews.
[00:35:34]  Yeah, I don't think, I mean, people can notice that the leading academics and theorists and cultural figures that have pushed secularism.
[00:35:44]  Have largely been Jewish.
[00:35:46]  I don't think that's disproportionately Jewish.
[00:35:48]  Yeah, I don't think that's controversial to say.
[00:35:49]  It's a fact.
[00:35:51]  And it has come back to bite their own people.
[00:35:54]  Right.
[00:35:55]  And part of the reason we're doing this is one, for younger guys to be able to articulate their view.
[00:36:01]  They wouldn't just be unhinged and be just, I hate Israel.
[00:36:03]  Why?
[00:36:04]  I can't really tell you why.
[00:36:05]  I just hate them.
[00:36:05]  Yeah, it's just bad.
[00:36:06]  Yeah, or something.
[00:36:07]  We're not trying to do that.
[00:36:08]  No, we want to say, no, there are theological reasons for not supporting the nation state of Israel.
[00:36:14]  Certainly not with billions of dollars.
[00:36:17]  And there are theological reasons also for recognizing that there's just those in Christ and those who are not.
[00:36:24]  There's not this third category of Christian adjacent.
[00:36:27]  So there are all these theological things that we need to understand.
[00:36:30]  And one of the things I'd like to do, at least in one of these episodes in the series, is talk about the Talmud.
[00:36:35]  Because I think it's also helpful to recognize not just modern Jews as unbelievers, but I would say at the level of the heart, no worse than anybody else.
[00:36:44]  Total depravity.
[00:36:45]  Because you can't really get much more depraved than that.
[00:36:46]  So total depravity.
[00:36:48]  So, all unbelievers, whether they be Muslims or agnostics or atheists or Jews, all unbelievers are totally depraved at the level of the heart.
[00:36:56]  But in terms of political and economic and cultural actions, outward behaviors, I do think that not all, but certainly not.
[00:37:06]  But some Jews are uniquely pernicious.
[00:37:10]  Like motivated by hatred or antipathy to Jews.
[00:37:13]  Because Islam says that Jesus is not the son of God, but he's an esteemed prophet.
[00:37:19]  Buddhists esteem Christ, not as the son of God, but as a prophet.
[00:37:23]  Every major world religion carves out at least some, it tips the hat to Jesus.
[00:37:30]  But the Talmud does not.
[00:37:32]  Only in terms of major world religions, there is only one that not only does not receive Christ as God, rejects his divinity, but goes further in an outright hostility.
[00:37:46]  It says that he's burning in, boiling feces in hell.
[00:37:53]  So not only are Jews, Judaism, because Jews can come to Christ.
[00:37:59]  The actual religion itself.
[00:38:00]  Not only is Judaism not.
[00:38:03]  Christian adjacent.
[00:38:05]  But it is arguably the most Christian hostile in terms of major world religions.
[00:38:11]  I think it's important to look at it this way.
[00:38:14]  And yeah, I don't want to sound like, oh, well, these are the worst people ever at all, all this kind of stuff.
[00:38:18]  But I think in terms of like theologically, like looking at it from a theological perspective, right?
[00:38:22]  Just think about, because you see this all the time, like, oh, there are older brothers in the faith or they're really close to Christ because they have the Torah, they have the Old Testament, they just need the New Testament.
[00:38:32]  That argument is brought out all the time.
[00:38:34]  You know, ad infinitum.
[00:38:37]  And.
[00:38:38]  But think about it this way, right?
[00:38:41]  If I were going to go over to the HEB, right?
[00:38:45]  And I was going to make a counterfeit $100 bill.
[00:38:47]  Herbert E. Butts.
[00:38:48]  God bless HEB.
[00:38:49]  I'm going to make a counterfeit $100 bill to pay for my steaks that I get over there, right?
[00:38:54]  And I'm going to counterfeit the $100 bill.
[00:38:56]  If I have my four year old make a counterfeit $100 bill with her crayons, right?
[00:39:03]  That's probably not a huge threat to the HEB.
[00:39:05]  I'm not going to be able to steal $100 worth of steak from them with that.
[00:39:09]  But if I go and I get like a four or an 8K digital scanner and I get it really, really, really close where it's indistinguishable from a real $100 bill, and I even put a little ribbon in the middle that they got now, and I bring that in there, right?
[00:39:26]  Hand it to the cashier, I could walk away and steal $100 worth of steak, right?
[00:39:29]  A counterfeit that looks very close, right?
[00:39:32]  The closer proximity it is to the real thing, the genuine article, the more of a danger, the more of a threat that it is to the genuine article.
[00:39:40]  And so, Buddhism, very far from Christianity.
[00:39:44]  Islam, right?
[00:39:45]  You know, more of a threat to Christianity than Islam.
[00:39:47]  It's a little bit closer.
[00:39:49]  It's this reversion to the Old Covenant world, right?
[00:39:52]  But Judaism has half the Bible there.
[00:39:56]  And they say this part of the Bible that God says is all about Jesus is not.
[00:40:01]  And we don't believe in him.
[00:40:02]  We don't trust him.
[00:40:04]  And then you have, I mean, the Talmud is hard because, right, really it's just writing down a debate club.
[00:40:10]  So it's not like, all right, this is the catechism of Judaism.
[00:40:13]  Right?
[00:40:14]  It's like, well, this rabbi says this, this rabbi says that.
[00:40:17]  It's hard to pin down the doctrine where it's like, okay, not everybody believes the part about Jesus boiling in feces.
[00:40:24]  Well, it's similar to the Quran.
[00:40:25]  The Quran directly contradicts itself, but the more recent passages will override the earlier passages.
[00:40:32]  Yeah.
[00:40:32]  And so I don't want to be like histrionic or outlandish or anything like that because a lot of people bring up that passage.
[00:40:39]  We want to be persuasive.
[00:40:40]  And the way to be persuasive is to not exaggerate.
[00:40:43]  Yeah.
[00:40:44]  Just tell the truth about it.
[00:40:45]  Some of the guys, and some of these guys are, I think, You know, they have a right sense, but they're not, even if they're right, they're not.
[00:40:54]  I tell my friends all the time, I don't want to just be right.
[00:40:57]  I want to win.
[00:40:57]  Yeah, I want to be right.
[00:40:58]  And I want to be accurate.
[00:40:59]  I want to be, I want to tell the truth.
[00:41:01]  So even if in general you have the right position, you recognize, man, Judaism actually is pernicious.
[00:41:06]  Yeah.
[00:41:06]  And that's true.
[00:41:07]  But if you, but if you are unhinged.
[00:41:10]  Yeah.
[00:41:10]  And too hyperbolic and exaggeratory, what happens is that you don't win people over.
[00:41:17]  You actually just reinforce them to dig their heels more.
[00:41:20]  And all, all your, your, your boomer parents.
[00:41:23]  Yeah.
[00:41:24]  Just become even more dispensational.
[00:41:26]  They're like, I'm going to write two texts this month.
[00:41:28]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:41:30]  Because my son's an anti Semite, I'm writing two texts.
[00:41:33]  And you don't want to come across that way or be perceived that way.
[00:41:36]  It's like, well, no, it's just having an accurate picture of where things really are, right?
[00:41:43]  Because this idea of Judeo Christian, right, that we're pretty much the same thing.
[00:41:49]  That's fine.
[00:41:50]  There are older brothers in the faith, like that the Judeo is just the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments and everything.
[00:41:56]  And then you get the New Testament, that's Christian.
[00:41:57]  And it's like, no, the whole Bible is Christ.
[00:42:00]  The whole Bible is the church.
[00:42:02]  They don't get to claim it, actually, because they rejected Jesus.
[00:42:07]  Well, the Old Testament is his, right?
[00:42:09]  It's all Christian.
[00:42:10]  And so, right, it is a religion that is opposed to Christianity.
[00:42:15]  There can be no partnership in theological terms, maybe in political and different things.
[00:42:21]  Like you can have, right, if you have Jewish neighbors in your neighborhood and you want to get, you know, you want to oppose.
[00:42:28]  Transgenderism and they're very religious Jews and things like that.
[00:42:31]  You can work with them.
[00:42:32]  You could do things like that.
[00:42:33]  But on the religious sense, you don't say, We're going to have an interfaith prayer time.
[00:42:38]  Well, we're not praying to the same God.
[00:42:41]  I like him.
[00:42:42]  He's a good neighbor.
[00:42:42]  He's a great guy.
[00:42:43]  But we don't worship the same God.
[00:42:47]  They don't worship the triune God.
[00:42:49]  And so there's an oppositional relationship that is there.
[00:42:55]  And what dispensationalism does, what Christian Zionism does, what all of this does is.
[00:43:00]  Just papers over it and pretends that the oppositional nature is not there whatsoever between the two very separate and distinct religions.
[00:43:10]  Right.
[00:43:10]  And so it's like you disarm yourself.
[00:43:13]  And, but the other group, I don't think, thinks about it that way.
[00:43:17]  They don't think, oh, yeah, the Christians, there are young.
[00:43:20]  When have you heard a like Ben Shapiro or someone say, yeah, you're my younger brother in the faith?
[00:43:25]  Yeah.
[00:43:26]  Right.
[00:43:26]  They don't say that.
[00:43:27]  They don't think about it that way.
[00:43:30]  And so they understand, no, we are a different religion.
[00:43:32]  Like you saw this, you know, a few months ago.
[00:43:35]  With, like, Andrew Clavin, yeah, who I believe is a convert, you know, it was a Jewish man but converted to Christianity, works the day that's his testimony.
[00:43:43]  I, personally, I did a whole video on it, but uh, yeah, I, you know, God alone sees the heart, but I personally, from outward from what he said from his own profession, I would reject that he's a Christian, yeah, because he doesn't want his boss Ben Shapiro, who is a Jew, to come to Christ, right?
[00:44:00]  He says, Well, not just that, he it's not just that he doesn't want him to convert, he's convinced that God doesn't want Ben Shapiro to convert because.
[00:44:07]  It'd be hard on him.
[00:44:08]  Be hard on him and the effect of his family.
[00:44:11]  And because God is using him in all these ways.
[00:44:13]  Right.
[00:44:14]  Right.
[00:44:15]  That would be bad.
[00:44:15]  What Andrew Clavin communicated was it's not just that he communicated Judaism.
[00:44:20]  Yeah.
[00:44:20]  He communicated universalism.
[00:44:22]  Yeah.
[00:44:23]  Yeah.
[00:44:24]  That's explicitly.
[00:44:25]  And, you know, and.
[00:44:26]  And Judeo Christian is, I think, a species of universalism.
[00:44:29]  It is.
[00:44:30]  Yeah.
[00:44:30]  And Judeo Christian.
[00:44:31]  You have to reject that framing.
[00:44:33]  By God's grace, I really do think this is the last generation where.
[00:44:37]  Could you see the spike if you track, like.
[00:44:38]  Oh, yeah, with the N grade.
[00:44:39]  Nobody used.
[00:44:40]  Judeo Christian ever before the 20th century, until the 20th century, the 1930s, 40s.
[00:44:46]  And I think, by God's grace, I think it'll be a thing of history.
[00:44:51]  Yeah, because it is an oxymoron.
[00:44:53]  Yeah, my concern with it too is, right, it can go one of two ways.
[00:44:57]  I think that trend, you're absolutely right, is true and correct.
[00:45:02]  And, right, the more resistant Christians are, big Eva Christians especially, but even in the Reformed world, the more resistant we are to having these conversations and talking about these things, the worse it is going to be when these things are ultimately rejected.
[00:45:19]  Right.
[00:45:19]  Because you won't have guys like us who are having this conversation in a very sane and reasonable way.
[00:45:24]  Well, because there will always be leaders.
[00:45:25]  Here's the thing if you.
[00:45:27]  If you just stand like Gandalf on the middle of the bridge, you shall not pass.
[00:45:32]  It must be the middle way.
[00:45:36]  You shall not pass from feminism to patriarchy, but complementarianism.
[00:45:41]  And you shall not pass.
[00:45:45]  That's been evangelicals for the past 20 to 40 years.
[00:45:49]  You shall not pass to cessationism, nor shall you stay with charismatic, but it will be open but cautious.
[00:45:56]  Every little thing has been.
[00:45:58]  If you do a third way move on this one, Yeah.
[00:46:03]  The evidence is so overwhelming.
[00:46:04]  Yeah.
[00:46:05]  You can't make people not notice.
[00:46:07]  And we're going to get into this because we do need to talk about how, no, it's not every Jew.
[00:46:10]  Of course not.
[00:46:11]  But we do need to talk about the percentages of people who own porn companies.
[00:46:17]  The percentage, like, we do need to talk about some of these things.
[00:46:20]  And here's the deal it's not going away.
[00:46:23]  No.
[00:46:23]  It's not going away.
[00:46:24]  People have already noticed.
[00:46:26]  Yeah.
[00:46:26]  They're going to continue to notice.
[00:46:28]  And then what happens is that if you just stand like Gandalf and try to keep the bell rog from going to the other side of the chasm, What's going to happen in this scenario is that all these young men are going to get to the other side, and it will be a movement, and every movement will have leaders.
[00:46:46]  But in this case, what it'll mean is that there will be no mature leaders.
[00:46:50]  There will be no mature leaders that will lead them and restrain them and teach them to operate in a faithful, Christ like way.
[00:46:58]  It'll be unhinged.
[00:47:00]  It'll be leaders who have gone down the rabbit hole with the T being silent.
[00:47:04]  It'll be leaders who have gone down the rabbit hole.
[00:47:07]  It took me a second.
[00:47:08]  It's a good one.
[00:47:09]  The T is silent.
[00:47:10]  But it'll be leaders who, like, they've done their 1,000 hours of research on YouTube.
[00:47:16]  On YouTube.
[00:47:17]  Yeah.
[00:47:18]  Hopefully, this will be included.
[00:47:19]  Yeah, and hopefully, this will be included.
[00:47:21]  But here's the thing they won't know systematic theology.
[00:47:24]  No.
[00:47:25]  They won't know Bothink.
[00:47:27]  They won't know historic Protestant theology and what we believe.
[00:47:31]  And this is, I mean, I spoke at a conference recently on this topic that Protestant Christianity, in particular, American.
[00:47:41]  Protestantism.
[00:47:42]  And this is something that Stephen said when we were in Ogden.
[00:47:47]  Historically, very, very tolerant of minority views, minority religions, things like this, tolerant of Judaism.
[00:47:57]  And it was able to because it said, right, we have hegemony, right?
[00:48:00]  This is a Christian nation.
[00:48:02]  We are going to be Christians.
[00:48:04]  You could be here.
[00:48:04]  We'll have laws that will protect you.
[00:48:06]  No one will harm you or harass you.
[00:48:08]  You won't get to be in charge.
[00:48:10]  You don't get to be in charge.
[00:48:12]  And because you have the strength of that, you are able to.
[00:48:15]  Tolerate other groups and protect them.
[00:48:18]  Right.
[00:48:18]  And that restores these Christianity.
[00:48:19]  If Christians have power, it doesn't set the stage for Christians to then persecute.
[00:48:24]  No.
[00:48:25]  What it does is it actually secures the stage so that if Christians have power, then we can afford to have people who disagree with us here and we can give them equal rights and privileges under the law, but not equal elected office or political power or anything else.
[00:48:41]  You don't get to be in charge.

=== Power Enables Tolerance (03:15) ===

[00:48:43]  Right.
[00:48:43]  You don't, any society, right, the stronger you are, the more tolerant you will be.
[00:48:49]  Of other groups, it's one that is in danger of being subverted that then lashes out against minority groups.
[00:48:56]  And so, the best thing, right, if we want to flip the paradigm around, the best thing for American Jews would be, right, and maybe Yoram Hazoni will listen to this, although he's Israeli, I think, but for them, the best thing that could possibly be would be for America to return to its Protestant Christian roots and being an exclusively Christian country, right?
[00:49:22]  Holding to that firmly, strongly, where it's not where the Christian religion does not allow itself to be subverted from the outside or from the inside, then you can tolerate different groups, right?
[00:49:33]  You can tolerate atheists, you can tolerate agnostics, you can tolerate your people who practice Judaism, right?
[00:49:39]  And you won't persecute them because they are not a threat.
[00:49:43]  And as Stephen Wolf has also said, atheism will be crushed, but not atheist, but atheism will be crushed in the sense that you won't have state schools teaching atheism to children as a curriculum.
[00:49:54]  And so, too, you will not have schools teaching the Talmud to children.
[00:49:57]  As a social, political, cultural force, it'll be rushed.
[00:50:01]  The Bible.
[00:50:02]  Absolutely.
[00:50:03]  But atheists, meaning people, Jews, meaning people, that they would be permitted to remain as citizens with equal protections, even to practice their religion, which we believe is wrong and a front to God.
[00:50:18]  That's not true.
[00:50:18]  But to practice it privately.
[00:50:21]  You don't have the secret Christian police rounding people up in their private homes.
[00:50:25]  And say, we're going to re educate you.
[00:50:27]  No, no.
[00:50:29]  That's the thing people freak out about if you want their minds over, but that's not anything.
[00:50:32]  That's an isolated thought.
[00:50:33]  But the way to get there, though, is for Christians to seize power.
[00:50:38]  Yeah.
[00:50:38]  Yeah.
[00:50:39]  And if we, if, when we do, when the Christian church, when historic Protestant Christianity from what America was founded with returns, right, then you have the strength to be able to have a society like that.
[00:50:56]  And you have to have strength in order to have tolerance.
[00:50:59]  Yeah.
[00:51:00]  When you're weak and threatened and on the verge of being killed, you can't.
[00:51:06]  Tolerance is a luxury for strength.
[00:51:09]  You can't afford tolerance to your enemies if they're about to kill you.
[00:51:13]  Yeah, look who has power now.
[00:51:14]  Look who has power now in our society.
[00:51:17]  It's secularism, it's secularists.
[00:51:22]  It is people who want secularism to be at the very top.
[00:51:25]  What are they threatened by?
[00:51:27]  Who do they want to persecute?
[00:51:28]  Who do they want to, like us and our churches and Christians who are politically assertive and culturally assertive?
[00:51:34]  That is who's public enemy number one.
[00:51:36]  So, the principle of a strong, healthy society if secularist society could be strong, it wouldn't be threatened by Christianity, but it very much so is.
[00:51:48]  And so, that's why I think that's a huge white pill is that we threaten them.
[00:51:53]  You're not threatened by something that you're not afraid of.
[00:51:55]  That's right.
[00:51:56]  All right.
[00:51:56]  Thanks for tuning in.
[00:51:58]  God bless.