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Welcome to our July 4th edition of the Nightly News.
We're not having news tonight.
Instead, we're having interviews.
We have a new interview with Charlotte Isabe.
Now, Charlotte Isabe was the former senior policy advisor under the Reagan administration at the U.S.
Department of Education.
And she was appalled by what she saw there.
And she wrote a book that's become a classic.
We carry it here at InfoWars.
The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America.
That's right.
Deliberate Dumbing Down of America.
By design.
It's about government control.
It's not about educating children.
And she makes that very clear.
She talks about the roots and the purposes of it.
And we also have... Charlotte has recently appeared in State of Mind, which is a new documentary that we're going to be shipping here July 17th.
You can pre-book it now.
InfoWars is going to have an exclusive on that for about three months.
And she talks about education in that documentary as well because, you know, mind control Is really about broadly applied PSYOPs and education is probably the easiest way for them to do that.
And we also have her new booklet that is coming back.
It was being reprinted after being out of print for quite some time.
And it is about back to basics reform or outcomes based education.
Scenarion International Curriculum.
So we're going to talk to her about those older classic titles, her new resources, a new video that she's working on right now that's going to be coming out in September, as well as this new documentary, State of Mind.
Welcome, Charlotte.
It's a pleasure to talk to you.
I've seen you many times on YouTube and with Alex.
It's great to talk to you.
Well, thank you, David.
Very nice hearing your voice.
I don't think I've ever been interviewed by you before.
Yeah, this is the first time we've talked.
Not our last, I hope.
That's right.
Now, I just saw a clip of you from a new documentary that we're going to be selling here, State of Mind.
If you remember that, you talked to the filmmakers just a little while ago.
And that's going to be shipping on July 17th.
We're pre-booking it now.
We're going to have an exclusive on it for three months, I believe, at InfoWarsStore.com.
But you had some really interesting things to say about education.
And when we're talking about mind control, I thought it was very important that the makers of that documentary incorporate education into it.
Let's take a look at that clip real quick and we'll talk about it after we get back.
The education our children are going to get has nothing to do with education.
It is training our children to be resources, human resources, that's the way they refer to us, to spin off profits for the globalists.
The greatest barrier to discovery is not ignorance.
It's the illusion of knowledge.
And that's what the 15,000 hours in compulsory schooling really entrains and conditions into us, is that you've been told this story of the people in South America, and so you think you know about it.
And it's not until later in life when you might come across more information about conquistadors and how Jesuits infiltrated all their religious systems and took all their riches out and basically harvested this whole area.
This is an example of plunder in South America that went on for hundreds of years.
So until you have this other piece of information to bring this into focus, you think that what you were taught in public schooling during that 15,000 hours is really what's going on.
And it's not until you bump up against reality, as George Orwell said, usually on a battlefield, that you have to consider that which you were taught to believe versus the objective evidence that exists.
John Taylor Gatto was an award-winning educator in New York who took kids that couldn't even read or write Headed for prison and made them top-level students.
And then he discovered that he was shut down by the big tax-free foundations so that he couldn't teach the children this information.
He discovered that it was by design that they were dumbing people down to make them subservient biological androids or replicants.
That's what we're seen as.
But now we're obsolete.
We're to be phased out the new robotic systems, the drone aircraft, the drone submarines, the drone ships, the drone robots on the ground.
We're all being conditioned, all being acclimated for this.
So I thought it was very fascinating that they covered that.
And of course, in the documentary, they're making the point that mind control isn't just about the high-tech, covert things that we've been hearing about since World War II.
It really has ancient roots, and those roots are really most dangerous when they're put down in our educational system, aren't they?
They're extremely dangerous, and it's not only persons like myself and some teachers and, you know, Activists and people in the universities, a few of them, right, who object to the mind control, especially through the computer.
I'd like to make a point here because everything's computers now, they're getting rid of books in the schools, everything will be computerized through the computer with a software and When I leaked the project BEST, Better Education Skills Through Technology, when I was working in the Reagan administration in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement, I leaked that grant, which went out to all the states, and it was software in every area of curriculum.
And federally funded.
Can you imagine?
This was way back in 1981.
And the important thing that I want to say here is that the person applying for the money from my office was with the Association for Education, Computing and Technology.
His name was Donald E. Lee, and it was terribly important grant.
And I sort of laugh when I don't laugh at the people who are worrying about Common Core.
You know, that's all right.
It's really Communist Core.
That's what it is.
But Communist Core started in 1971, came out of the Northwest Regional Laboratory in Portland, Oregon.
So it would be better.
That's a diversion.
Communist Corps is a diversion.
And in the first place, and please, I don't mean to be diverting you at the moment, but one has to remember that the most important thing that we're dealing with right now is On elected boards, charter schools.
Now, the diversion here is you've got all these wonderful people checking on math standards, English standards, etc.
Don't worry, I'm going to get back to the Project BEST 2.
And trying to decide whether they're academically sound.
This is ridiculous.
You know why?
How's that?
Look, even if the standards were teaching the Ten Commandments, It's wrong because it's a federal curriculum.
That's right.
And the fact that these wonderful parents and activists are spending 25 hours a day checking the standards to see if they like them is in effect an admission that they accept the federal government's developing the standards.
That's right.
That's the key thing, is the control.
And you know, we're never going to have control if we allow the federal government to do it.
And the way they do it isn't just through the purse strings.
Of course, they have a lot of control that way.
But the way they really do it is through tests.
Because if they define tests, everybody is so scared that their kids aren't going to do well on the test.
So the tests then define the curriculum.
Absolutely.
Assessment, yeah.
And so that happens whether it's a government school or whether it's a private school because the private schools want to test well.
And you know, we homeschooled our children and it even affects a lot of the homeschoolers because they're so concerned about making sure that their kids perform well on a test.
When really what those grades are, those test scores are really, it's just like handing out a medal to a soldier who's had both of his legs blown off.
It really doesn't matter What that curriculum is, if you don't know what you want your children to learn, and that's why we would look at what they were teaching the children, and sometimes we would teach them that, sometimes we would teach them a lot of stuff that was very different, and we didn't really worry about the tests at all.
Well, yeah, you don't have to, but the test is terribly important when you're dealing with, for instance, I just want to go back to this diversion.
What's happened is you've got this huge percentage of parents out there who are fighting the Communist core, and the act that they're fighting it, it means that they're recognizing the right of the federal government Let me make a point here.
We're being lied to on this, and I don't want to talk about Common Core tonight, but I do want people to hear this.
The fact that they're being told that the Council of Chief State School Officers that designed the test items is not federally funded.
It is a powerful, powerful council.
It receives federal money from my office.
In 1981, 1982, I saw the grants all going out for development of textbooks, everything.
So it is a federal curriculum that is being imposed.
That's the Communist core.
But we've had this for at least 30 years.
We've had a national curriculum, but we didn't have the computers.
Right.
And that's why I want to get back to the computer, the danger of the computer.
The national curriculum, bad enough.
But with a computer for learning and for assessment, I'm going to give you a quote from the very person, Donald Neely, who headed up the Project BEST that I leaked.
I went back to the archives for an old grant that he had gotten 10 years earlier, and that association is connected with the NEA.
It's technology, right?
And I got into the grants, and I found a very, very important paper that he had referred to in order to get the Project BEST money, right?
He had to refer to other things that he had done.
It was a study that was done by leading computer scientists In around 1970, I think, on software, the development of software.
And they spent two years working on this, 300 of them.
And then they had a conference and they put it all together in a paper.
And the most important part of that paper, it's in my book, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, this particular paper, I mean, part of it, because I don't have the whole thing.
Donald Ely said, You don't have to be a liberal or conservative, he said.
But when you're developing software, you have to have a conscience.
Because it is that powerful.
Now, considering the fact that we've got curriculum that has been developed by, you know, Marzano and Paulo Freire out of Brazil, a noted communist, right?
I mean, Paulo Freire, you know, he teaches math for first graders.
You know, with military stuff, you know, grenades and things.
They count grenades.
Now, everybody's wondering what the critical thinking curriculum is.
They really think it's a good curriculum, I guess.
They're trying to find out.
Look, they've got to get rid of the whole thing.
Communist core, but the best way to go after this is to strike after The charter schools.
That's interesting that you would say that, because so many conservatives believe that charter schools are the way to go, because it introduces an element of choice into what is otherwise this bureaucratic, top-down structure.
They see that choice as being an element of local control.
Can you address that?
Well, they're lying to the people, because charter schools are public schools.
There's no difference between- the only difference, and it's a major horrible difference, which I want to discuss because I believe it is the devolution of our representative form of government through charter schools, and I will discuss that.
The major difference, the only major difference, is one thing is that the test scores are way down with charter schools compared to the public school.
Now you must be surprised that someone who's written a 700 page book, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, would be defending the public schools.
But I am, because the test scores are better in the public schools than in the charter schools, and I hope parents will listen to that.
But the major thing is, they don't have elected boards.
Now, that means that if parents are upset about whatever, you know, there are all sorts of things, global education, sex education, drug, bullying, whatever, you know, they're unhappy, good reason, where do they go?
They don't have anybody to go to, to complain, and then they don't even have anybody to vote for or to get rid of.
This is very, very serious, you see.
I mean, in the trailer that we have, which we put together for our Global Road to Ruin through Education video set, a conference last August of leading researchers in this country, it was close to the public, teachers, public school teachers as well, administrators, Samuel Blumenfeld was one of them that came in.
You know, we discussed this.
This charter school thing is very, very dangerous.
Let me point out, the education at the federal level is only second to defense in spending.
Discretionary.
Now that's not even adding the property tax and everything else that we pay, right?
Second.
So if we allow education To have the elected board stripped from it across the country through charter schools, I believe, and I'm not alone here at all.
I mean, there are many people who've thought this thing out, but of course, the Heritage Foundation and all the neoconservative groups are supporting this because they support the school to work agenda, the Soviet Polytech system.
Right.
Heritage Foundation drafted the North American Free Trade Agreement.
I think.
I didn't know that.
They had to have it.
Once they get that, then they have to have a school to work.
And if you're going to have school to work, you have to destroy the traditional public education system.
You cannot have K-12.
You can't have ABCD.
You've got to have individual education plans, and you've got to use the Skinner Method, that's for workforce training.
Right, right.
And that's why they have deliberately, are in the process of destroying, I'm not defending a public school system, folks.
Remember that.
I'm defending the hierarchical structure of our once magnificent public school system.
It must be restored.
That is my message.
Oh, aren't people surprised that Charlotte Isserbeet would be calling for that?
Because the options are lethal.
Charter schools are lethal.
Tax-funded private education, including religious, which is what our governor is pushing for.
Is lethal, because if you take one penny from the federal government, you teach the corporate fascist curriculum which is the Soviet polytech school to work.
That's right.
If they fund it, they're going to control it.
That's right.
So people who are, oh, they're so excited about school choice, why don't they figure out what is school choice?
It's not school choice.
It's no choice.
If they get their tax-supported school choice implemented, that is the death of private education.
So let's pull it back and talk a little bit about it, because I'm curious to see what your solution is.
I mean, I think one of the reasons that so many conservatives are going for the charter school is because they see a couple of issues.
Number one, they see that control has devolved.
First it went from the parents to the community, then to the state, now to the federal government.
and they're trying to get the control back to a local community where the parents can have some say for it.
So that's a noble goal.
And I think they see that happening with this.
But as I also pointed out, there is this systemic design in the very fact that government is involved really at any level with education.
There's this design that goes back to Plato's Republic, where the government wants to control the kids from as early an age as possible.
And it's really kind of like as we started out with the documentary State of Mind, talking about how they're trying to use it as an instrument of mind control, a very effective instrument of mind control.
It is.
It is, but they have to understand that the government I was in the U.S.
Department of Ed in the Office of Education Research and Improvement.
I spent time going over grants, right?
And this Project BEST that I leaked, I don't know which reason I really leaked it most for.
The one I just mentioned to you about the curriculum software going out to every state.
Or, there was a page in there marked, excuse me, confidential.
Confidential.
It's not the CIA, is it?
And it said...
And I'm not kidding you.
This is for people out there who think they can take a penny in services, you know, art.
A lot of homeschoolers, they want to participate in the services of the public school.
Yes, absolutely.
Don't go near it.
That's a trap, absolutely.
Don't go near it.
It said on this document, Project BEST, what we can control and manipulate at the local level.
And then it listed.
The selection of people for the task forces?
The curriculum content?
All right, I don't have to go on any further.
I saw that.
I've been a local school board member.
I saw that.
I knew things were bad, even when I was on the board.
I never accepted a penny.
I've never voted for a penny of federal money when I was on the local school board.
But, you know, even I, when I saw that in writing in my office, which was the most important office in the world, Dealing with education.
I want people to know that.
Office of Educational Research and Improvement.
Connected with UNESCO.
Connected with the OECD.
Connected with the UN.
And by the way, I just want to make a little comment here.
When people think about all this curriculum and everything, and why is it so rotten?
Well, UNESCO, in 1971, of 20 advisors, 19 came from Communist Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.
This is a Marxist curriculum.
My office was a Marxist office.
Ronald Reagan made things worse when he carried out the public-private partnerships, which is corporate fascism.
That had to be done in order to put the school to work in, right?
Right.
Well, you know, you went to work at the Department of Education at the beginning of the Reagan administration.
It had just been started under Jimmy Carter.
And one of the things that Reagan campaigned for, if I remember correctly, was to basically get rid of the Department of Education.
But it grew by leaps and bounds under Reagan.
Well, everything that is going on right now, that's why my little book, Back to Basics, is so important that you're going to be pushing, I hope.
Yes.
That little book, written in 1985, Back to Basics, Reform, a Scenarion International Curriculum, Necessary for United States Participation in a One World Socialist Government, scheduled for the early years of the 21st century.
Incredible book.
Everything in it is happening right this minute.
It could have been written tomorrow.
I told the American people what was going to happen.
It was boycotted by every major conservative organization in this country.
And looking at the title of that, when you talk about Skinnerian International Curriculum, I've got to tell you, my wife has a master's degree in education.
She taught for a short period of time in the system.
And I remember when she was in college and she brought home B.F.
Skinner's book, Beyond Freedom and Dignity.
And I looked at that and it's like, and my first response was, it's about time somebody talked about how they're crushing freedom and dignity in the schools.
And she said, I don't know, you don't understand.
He's advocating completely eliminating freedom and dignity, and that's what we see.
We've seen that conditioning, and that's a good example because we've seen Skinnerian conditioning, conditioning from this psychiatrist, psychologist, B.F.
Skinner.
We've seen that kind of conditioning applied to the masses in school for decades, and now we see it being done in the population at large via the TSA.
Perfect example of positive operant conditioning, where you come in and you subject to letting them put their hands all over you, just like the horse whisperer, right, or the dog whisperer.
This is the airplane traveler whisperer, where they come in and you be a good boy or girl, you let me touch you wherever I want, do whatever I want to do, and you get rewarded with a treat.
You immediately get to get on the plane.
If not, you get put in time out over here.
Or maybe you might get, if you really are bad, you might get some negative operant conditioning.
You know, you might get tasered, you might get arrested, whatever.
But that's the conditioning right there.
You do what I tell you to do and you get the positive reinforcement.
They've been doing that to kids for quite some time and a lot of people don't realize that as they move to Skinner's emphasis on operant, positive operant conditioning, That's when they started getting rid of things like grades and stuff like that because they just wanted to give people positive reinforcements.
Well no, but the getting rid of the grades is putting it in the Soviet education system.
They don't have grades there, they don't have competition, they have Pavlov, they study Darwin, and it's polytechnical.
And I know that it is the Soviet education system that we're putting in because a team American educators went to the Soviet Union after Eisenhower signed the first agreement with Khrushchev in 1958.
And they came back.
And that study is at my son's website, americandeception.com.
The Soviet educators, I mean, the American educators came back and it's really incredible that there's this report that they did.
They've got pictures in it and everything.
And you can just tick off every single thing in that book is what is being put in right now.
Now, people are going to say, oh, no, but That's true.
Now, let me go back to 1934.
My little black blue book.
I've got it right in front of me.
Here.
Conclusions and recommendations for the social studies.
Can you see that?
Hold it up to the camera.
Hold it up a little bit higher, Charlotte.
Yep.
Hold it up just a little bit higher.
The camera's quite a bit above you, so we're getting a lot of the top of your head, too.
And pull it back a little bit.
That's good.
Okay, we can see that.
That's good.
Thank you.
All right.
Now, there's nothing new about this.
Outcomes-based education, which is Skinner, mastery learning, performance-based.
Whenever you hear performance, that's Skinner.
Results-based, outcomes-based, competency-based, and effective schools.
People think this is new, just like they think that the Communist core is new.
It's not.
This is not new.
I'm going to read something to you from this book.
In 1934, this was published in 1934, after, actually, after the initiation of a project entitled The Eight Year Study.
Carnegie.
The eight-year study was the pilot for outcomes-based education.
They took away the Carnegie units.
They took away all the grades, K through 12.
They took everything away.
No competition.
This was all because these guys had been back and forth to the Soviet Union.
They wanted to put in the Soviet system there.
Outcomes-based education is the Soviet system.
Period.
In fact, a defector, I found a piece of paper, I can't find that guy, I can't find the piece of paper either, where a Soviet defector said OBE is the Soviet system.
But that's Pavlov.
OBE is Mastery Learning, it's Direct Instruction.
Those two, basically, are the words that we know.
Mastery Learning, Direct Instruction, OBE.
Now, in 1916, I'm reading from this book, this horrible little book, Rather, 1934.
It says here, Conclusions and Recommendations for the Social Studies.
This little book published by Carnegie was considered by a British socialist to be a plan, the plan for a socialist America.
Now let me point out that, because people are going to say, oh no, it's dead, it's all, you know.
No, look, they said, she's an old lady.
She's talking about 1934.
She doesn't know what she's talking about.
Oh, really?
Every five years, This minute and probably tomorrow too, Carnegie has put millions of dollars into the National Assessment, the Educational Commission of the States, everything you can imagine, Old School to Work, Mark Tucker, Rochester, New York, working with Bill Gates, etc., moving up until 2013.
up until 2013.
It's their plan to change our form of economy Now this little, okay, this little book.
Here we go.
1934.
Under the molding influence of socialized processes of living, drives of technology and science, pressures of changing thought and policy, and disrupting impacts of economic disaster.
How do you like that one?
There is a notable waning of the once widespread popular faith in economic individualism.
And leaders in public affairs, supported by a growing mass of the population, are demanding the introduction into economy of ever wider measures of planning and control.
Now, 9.
Cumulative evidence supports the conclusion that in the United States, as in other countries, the age of individualism and laissez-faire in economy and government is closing, and that a new age of collectivism is emerging.
As to the specific form which this collectivism, this integration and interdependence is taking and will take in the future, the evidence at hand is by no means clear or unequivocal.
It may involve the limiting, and listen to this, think of Rosa Corey and all the wonderful people out there in the Bay Area fighting Sustainable Development UN Agenda 21.
Regionalism is communism.
I know that, I have a quote from a communist in the Communist Daily World to that effect, okay?
It may involve the limiting or supplanting of private property by public property or it may entail the preservation of private property extended and distributed among the masses.
Most likely it will issue from a process of experimentation and will represent a composite
Of historic doctrines and social conceptions yet to appear, almost certainly it will involve a large or measure of compulsory as well as voluntary cooperation of citizens in the conduct of the complex national economy, a corresponding enlargement of the functions of government, and an increasing state intervention in fundamental branches of economy previously left to individual discretion and initiative.
A state intervention that in some instances may be direct and mandatory and in others, indirect and facilitative.
In any event, the Commission is convinced by its interpretation of available empirical data that the actually integrating economy of the present day is the forerunner of a consciously integrated society in which individual economic actions and individual property rights will be altered and abridged.
That's right.
Now, that is going in right now, folks.
It's been worked on ever since 1933 or earlier.
It's the communist system.
If people want to say, no, I can see all those people writing notes in YouTube, right, if this gets up there.
Oh, you know, she's just an old lady.
She doesn't know the wall came down.
Oh, baloney.
It did not, you know.
It jumped the ocean.
Yeah, it's worse here than there.
We've got it bad.
We've got a big disease with a C on it.
Oh yeah, well it goes back even to the people that are celebrated as the founders of our government school system, Horace Mann and Thomas Dewey.
They were looking at the same things that Plato was looking at, and that is, how do we train the children to do what the state wants them to do, rather than having them be trained by their parents?
Well, that's very true, but I think you have to go back, you know, we can go back to Thomas Mann and Dewey was the worst, 1898, John Dewey, you know, he absolutely... Charlotte, let me tell you, back up, we want to get a little bit wider shot of you there, too.
There we go, that's good.
Yeah, they had problems.
They tried to get these utopian communities to work in the mid-1800s and they were failing and they came back and they said, you know, we can't.
The reason we can't get our communist system to work is because the parents are undermining our values that we're trying to instill in the, you know, they haven't been trained from an early enough age to take on this communist mindset.
So we have to get the kids at an earlier age and train them in that way.
So it's kind of a systemic...
It was mostly the open classroom and the trailer that we have that I hope your people will go to YouTube and look at that trailer because it's Samuel Blumenfeld who's the expert on the history of this thing.
He talks about 1898 and John Dewey and he was the father of the deliberate dumbing down of America and Dewey believed in Skinner and of course it was You know, the order at Yale, actually, that sent the educators over from LifeSync to study under Wilhelm Wundt.
Actually, Pavlov studied under Wundt.
And that's where they were trained.
And G. Stanley Hall was the first one to go over there and brought back this wretched method.
Dog training, operant conditioning.
And a very sad thing has happened in the United States.
In order for them to implement this school-to-work system, which has been the goal ever since 1934, right, to change our economy, to change from academics to workforce training, where the children will have no upward mobility at all.
And, you know, Professor Boyce at the University of Georgia, he put it well.
He said, in communist countries, they do not educate for jobs that don't exist.
Right, so our children will have absolutely no upward mobility.
But what has happened is that it's been through the years and through the agreements that Ronald Reagan signed with Gorbachev in 1985 that merged the two systems and Carnegie Corporation signed agreements at the same time with the Soviet Academy of Science in the area of critical thinking for early elementary school children.
Well, if you look up critical thinking, not critical, but London on thinking.
Hang on a second, Charlotte.
Now, what was it that Reagan signed with Gorbachev in 1985?
Can you tell the audience that?
Extensive agreements.
It's in my book, and the deliberate dumbing down of America, very extensive agreements were signed between the two countries to merge everything.
Their curriculum, teachers going back and forth, you name it.
Just Google US-Soviet education agreements or Google a super little article I wrote.
It's not my website, too.
It's a PDF.
It's called Soviets in the Classroom, America's Latest Education Fad.
I wrote that and that was boycotted by the conservatives as well.
Mm-hmm.
And interestingly enough, four years after the fact, we raised $5,000, put an ad in the Washington Times to alert people to what had happened.
But four years after the fact, a wonderful friend of mine, Robert Morris, he's dead now, he was a judge from New Jersey, and a leading conservative, and he was the counsel for the House Committee on Un-American Activities, and he questioned all of the communists back in the 50s and 60s, close to Bella Dodd, And he became the head of America's Future.
I had sent my article, Soviets in the Classroom, to America's Future, hoping it would get published.
I can't tell you how many organizations I sent that to.
Nobody would touch it.
Well, Morris found it in the drawer when he became the president of America's Future because Rudy Scott had left.
And he called me and he said, what is this?
And I said, yeah, this is what Ronald Reagan did.
Thanks.
And then went ahead and signed another agreement in 1989.
I guess that was under, Reagan was out by then, wouldn't he be?
This agreement wasn't quite as bad for curriculum and all, but you know what it called for?
Putting statues of Soviet cultural figures up on American property.
Yeah, haha.
So anyway, you know what bothers me so much?
People out there are probably saying that, you know what they said when they boycotted my book?
You know what they said?
The reason I wrote the book?
This just came out of leading conservatives' mouths.
Oh, she's just sour grapes because she got fired from her job.
And I say, oh?
Were you with me when I looked at that project, Better Education Skills Through Technology, the thing I just read to you, what we can control and manipulate?
Were you with me when I made up my mind to leak that document?
Right.
You think I didn't know I was going to get fired?
There's a lot of us who wish that Reagan had fired the entire Department of Education.
It was something that was, you know, it's kind of like these government departments that they create take on a life of their own and basically live eternally, like some kind of a strange corporation.
He would have done it, and it's a long story, that one.
The head of the National Institute of Education was a professional educator, sort of apolitical, wonderful man, Ed Curran.
Uh, he was head of the NIE, where all the grants go out all over the world, folks.
You know, not just to change America's classical education system, but they go into Thailand, they go everywhere all around the world, our change agents, spending your tax money to change their curriculum.
Okay, so anyway, uh, Curran, he saw what I saw, and, uh, he wrote a letter to the president recommending that his own office be abolished.
Okay?
And, um, So what happened, Reagan was out of the country.
People, Dick Dorman or whoever it was in the White House, they sent that letter over to Terrell Bell, the Secretary of Education of the Department, they sent the letter over there.
And Bell fired this wonderful educator who had been the headmaster of the Cathedral School for Girls in Washington.
Wonderful man.
He understood Skinner, too, completely.
And he knew that that whole NIE was based on Marxism and Skinner.
And he said, get rid of my office.
I don't want my job.
I want this place to go down.
If it had gone down, the department would have gone down too.
Now what happened is Reagan comes back in and he lets It's Stan.
He lets Ed Curran be fired.
He should have fired the Secretary of Education, Ted Bell, who was a you-know-what, huh?
He should have fired him, put Ed Curran in as Secretary of Education, the whole building would have come down.
This is a story most people do not know.
I'm so angry about it because I'll tell you another thing that makes me the angriest.
Is that every single thing that came out of my office is going in right now.
But you know who suffered the most from this?
Who's that?
The minorities again.
I wrote about it.
It's at my website under PDFs.
It's an article called Experimentation on Minorities.
Well, the first time they experimented on... Let me finish with this.
They went into every single inner city school in this country, starting in 1968, with the Skinner Method, mastery learning, getting rid of grades.
They experimented with all these different schools all over inner cities, and this is all documented.
James Vaughn, very high up, he says he doesn't know of a single inner city school that didn't have it.
Over a period of 40 years, They experimented with a system that's now going in for all our children.
Okay, get rid of grades, right?
Continuous improvement.
Skinner method.
No A, B, C, D. No K through 12.
This is necessary for workforce training.
Right.
So they use and then, okay, so the inner city school kids test scores drop.
Everybody talks about it.
So they put more money into it.
Oh boy, yummy, yummy.
Put more money in.
They knew what they were doing.
And if you read my article, Experimentational minorities, you're going to see that there were some fellows evaluating, who were from the Department of Ed, those very projects in the inner city, and they even dared to say the test scores may not have improved very much, but we managed to reorganize the system a bit.
Huh?
Maybe the kids can't read.
Thomas Stick with Spady put the system in, into the Washington, D.C.
schools.
You know, Skinner, I can make a pigeon a high achiever by reinforcing it on a proper schedule.
Stick said, after that failure, when the Washington, D.C.
schools went down the tube, said, oh, you know, perhaps it was more important to get rid of discrimination and change values.
Are you sitting down?
Than to teach reading.
Right.
In getting low-income people into the middle class.
Now, if that doesn't make people mad, I think I am a different person on this planet.
Because I am furious.
I'm furious with that.
Not just the money spent, but that these inner-city minority children were experimented on to that extent by these rotten people, including the Heritage Foundation and all.
Right.
The conservatives who love this, they just love this method for Jackson, Mississippi and New Orleans.
It absolutely drives me crazy.
And how many of these children now are on drugs, in jail, can't read, and everybody says, oh, you know, we've got to throw more money to help the minorities.
Well, they took their academic education system away from them.
And now that they got it perfected, this is the key for people to listen.
It's perfected now.
They're giving it to us with charter schools.
The same system.
Right.
Okay, that's the important takeaway, is for people to pay attention to what's happening with charter schools.
And you're talking about how they went after the inner-city minorities.
You know, they used schools and boarding schools as an instrument of control for the Indians, for the Native Americans, back in the 1800s.
The real key here is for people to realize just how government is using the education system as an instrument of control.
It's not about letting Johnny read.
You know, parents wonder why Johnny can't read.
That's not really the goal of the government.
The goal of the government, as you pointed out.
They don't want him to read.
That's right.
They don't want him to read.
And that's what's so good about it.
He can do anything.
That's right.
I have a teacher friend, she quit after she had to go through the experiments with mastery learning down in Arizona in the early 80s.
And she finally quit because they were modifying her behavior, like Ethna Reed, this horrible program that's spread across the country.
I've just been talking about it.
But she said, you know, all you really need is a stick.
You take the child by the hand and go down to the beach.
You can teach them reading, writing, and arithmetic.
With a stick in the sand.
That's right.
You know, because you're homeschooled.
That's right.
Absolutely.
That's the way we did it.
Well, I really love you.
Let's go back and go through these resources that you've got here.
Of course, you've got the deliberate dumbing down of America.
And that's a real key thing, because just as we've been talking about, it's not that the government is incompetent.
I mean, we hear this on everything.
It's like, well, you know, we're making mistakes.
We're incompetent.
But, you know, if you just give us more money, I'm sure we can do a better job, right?
But it's a deliberate program to dumb down America.
We've got that available at the InfoWars And also, you've got this booklet that hasn't been in print for quite some time.
We're going to be getting that in to sell that.
That's the one that Back to Basics Reform, or OBE, Scenarion International Curriculum.
Right, yeah, and you'll have that on Thursday.
They were shipped today.
That's right.
So that's going to be up on the InfoWarsStore.com, and that's been out of print for quite some time, hasn't it?
Well, yeah, I had a few around here, but lately, a few people got a hold of it, and they said, this is unbelievable!
This is what we're fighting now!
Right.
Is this what happened?
And I say, yes, if that book had gotten out, if it hadn't been boycotted by the usual suspects, now, that's what we call them.
But I always say, a false friend is more dangerous than an open enemy.
And our first friend is the conservative movement.
I hate to say it because I've worked so hard for that movement all my life.
And I have to say it now.
What they want is to keep all of us Americans separated, divide and conquer, and keep the liberals from ever talking with the conservatives, so-called.
Let's drop labels.
Let's sit down together.
And we're going to find out that we On both sides, there'll be differences of opinion.
But basically, we all want to hold on to our freedoms.
And they up in Rockefeller Center, when they have their meetings once a month, you know very well that the first thing they say is they haven't figured it out yet, have they?
I was right.
We have managed to divide and conquer by calling them Republicans and Democrats and left and right.
And I would think the people should realize by now that the Republican Party, the so-called conservative movement, is not about making government small at all.
It's not about giving... it has... they absolutely do not care about any personal freedoms.
The only thing that they ever talk about are fiscal issues.
The only thing they ever talk about is money because they're so super obsessed with money.
And it's money that they're going to control.
Money that they're going to make.
They don't care about making the majority of people wealthy.
They want to concentrate wealth in a few hands.
But they present themselves with an entirely different agenda.
And after a period of time, you start to realize that they're just... You wonder for a while, why are they following through on what they campaigned for?
And then after a while, you start to realize that they never had any intention of doing that at all.
It was just a very sophisticated control technique.
Well, I'm afraid it's so sad that good people don't really run anymore because they know that they're going to be completely outnumbered.
And you know that the time comes when you have to compromise.
And actually, I can understand that a little bit.
I'm very pro-life.
If I had to compromise on a fiscal bill in order to get a pro-life bill passed, I would.
So there is always that difficulty for political officers.
But they've made it such a cushy job, too.
They really ought to get rid of all the benefits that they give to these congressmen, plus their salaries.
Maybe it would be less attractive to them, and we might be able to induce really good people Well, that's just a manifestation of the corruption that's there.
But let's talk about this last resource that you've got there, which is the Global Road to Ruin Through Education.
That's a four-disc documentary.
Is that available yet?
I know the trailer is up on YouTube.
Is that available for sale yet?
That will be hopefully the first of September.
It's been a wild project because it morphed from being mainly two days of videotaping of all of these talks from researchers and educators in public education.
It was great.
We have public educators on there, which is super.
And some of them go back to the late 60s, some of our brilliant researchers.
And then we have some younger public school teachers who tell exactly what's going on.
And we deal a great deal with the charter school and school choice and our tremendous concerns about school choice.
And we talk, we speak out to the global community.
I mean, at one point, I apologize, you know.
To the rest of the world, for the role of the United States in funding all of these change agents to go all over the world.
Absolutely.
To tear down their academic classical education system.
I say, I have to apologize to you.
And I'm glad, this is one reason why we did the video, so the rest of the world will understand exactly what is happening.
And we quote C.S.
Lewis, you know, where he says when education is beaten by training, That's right.
Civilization dies.
That's right.
And that is a very important thing for Americans to think of.
If we're just going to have training on the computer, and as I mentioned earlier with Donald Leeley's quote about you've got to have a conscience when you develop the software, and B.F.
Skinner, you know, no, Benjamin Bloom, he said the purpose of education Benjamin Bloom, all teachers have to go through, your wife knows that.
The purpose of education is to change the thoughts, actions, and feelings of students, and define good teaching as challenging the students' fixed beliefs.
Now that's common as core.
That's right.
And Bloom said, and this refers back to the quote by Donald Ely earlier on that I mentioned, that big conference of computer scientists, Bloom said, I can take a student from here to there in their views, right, or opinions or beliefs, in one hour.
Now, with a computer, I mean Skinner, you know, I could make a pigeon a high achiever by reinforcing it on a proper schedule.
Look, our children are not animals.
It's absolutely criminal.
They did it to the minorities first, and I say it was criminal enough.
It was totally criminal.
And can you imagine if they hadn't done this to the minorities?
I'm not saying they'd all be Phi Delta Kappa, whatever it be.
But I am saying that they would be well-educated and they wouldn't have to go into these low-level jobs that they've got planned all over the country through charter schools.
That's right.
Well, the technique is to go in and get a small group of people, whether it's the Indians or whether it's inner-city minorities or whatever, get a small group of people that nobody's really going to look out for.
Nobody really understands what's going on.
You're right.
They can do their experimentations on these people, and then they can apply them to everybody else.
It's going back to what Martin Niemöller said about the Nazis.
You know, first they came for that group, and I did nothing because I wasn't a member of that group.
Then they came for this other group, finally they came for me.
That's exactly what we've seen happen with education.
It's a very deliberate plan.
That's why your book is such a classic.
The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America.
We're really excited to get the booklet that is coming back into print for the first time.
It'll be in here at the end of this week.
And we're looking forward to seeing your documentary that's coming out in September.
And people can see that trailer on YouTube, right?
Yeah, and we're getting lots of hits on the trailer, and the nicest thing is I'm getting emails from educators to the effect that they didn't know there were people out there that understood really what was happening.
Yes.
And you know, I just want to make this point again.
People say, solutions?
What's the solution?
Oh my goodness.
I said it earlier, but it was couched in warm fuzzies.
The solution?
Is to go up against the reauthorization of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act.
Strike it.
Get rid of everything in the U.S.
Department of Education except minor little things.
We want to keep a little bit of it because the Department of Ed, we still can go to Congress and keep an eye on what they're doing.
If we get rid of the Department of Ed now, I always wanted to get rid of it, but we didn't do that.
But if we get rid of it now, What I can see is there, the change agents are talking about moving education back to the local level.
And you know, moving the money back.
Oh, it sounds so good, doesn't it?
Watch out.
You know why?
Look, where are the corporations?
They're not in Washington, are they?
They're at the local level, right?
So they're going to move everything back so the corporations will have everything that they need, including our tax money that we pay, to train their workers.
That's something nobody ever mentioned, did they?
Since when does the American taxpayer have to pay for the training of the corporation's workers?
Absolutely.
And that's the measurement of their success whenever they talk about education.
It's like, you know, when you watch the debates, you know, whether it's Republicans or Democrats, the presidents are out there saying, we need a trained workforce.
Well, since when?
You know, why not just get good academics?
I must say, I had an email from an educator and he said that, you know, I've been around a long time, he said, the average, he teaches university level, the average College graduate in 2013 doesn't have the education of a fourth grader, you know, back 40, 50 years ago.
Absolutely.
Well, Charlotte, we're out of time for today, but I really appreciate you coming on.
It's been a fascinating conversation.
And I hope people will take a look at those resources that are coming up.
Again, that's the booklet that is just coming back into print, Back to Basics Reform, or OBE, Scenarion International Curriculum, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, and the trailer that's now on YouTube for Global Road to Roaring Through Education that's going to be released sometime in the fall, perhaps in September, according to that.
Yeah.
Okay, great.
Thank you very much for joining us.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
Good evening.
Well, I think to sum it up in Charlotte's title, and that is the deliberate dumbing down of America, we want to think that Schools are failing because they're just not, don't have enough funding or the techniques aren't quite right.
But it was by design.
It was deliberate that America was dumbed down in this education system.
It's about social control.
It's about government taking over control.
They want people dumbed down.
Everything in the media, from the time you turn on your television set, from the time you're a child, you're being trained.
You're not being educated.
And that training is still going on today.
And that's the difference between the information we try to present here.
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We're trying to pull pieces together.
We're trying to go back into history.
We're trying to pull together documents and facts that people aren't talking about to get you to critically think, to get you to educate yourself about what's happened, what's going on, what the purpose is.
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