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Good evening and welcome to the Wednesday, December 28, 2011 edition of the InfoWars Nightly News.
I'm Aaron Dykes.
Now, coming up tonight, we have a powerful interview with Colonel Craig Roberts.
He was involved in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation.
And he's going to break down all kinds of aspects of this important case as detailed in the film A Noble Lie.
We carry it.
I've seen it.
It's incredible.
We'll talk more about that later.
But tonight, it is less than a week away from the Iowa caucuses leading off the vote for the 2012 GOP primaries.
And even as Ron Paul continues to lead in Iowa, Gingrich unloads on Paul worse than Obama, saying, I think Barack Obama is very destructive to the future of the United States.
I think Ron Paul's views are totally outside the mainstream of virtually every decent American, Gingrich said Tuesday in a CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer.
I can name a few decent Americans he didn't take into account.
Wouldn't put him on the list.
Could Gingrich vote for Paul?
No.
If it came down to Paul versus Obama, he'd have a very hard choice to make at that point, he says.
And he brought up all kinds of things.
After he himself was attacked by Ron Paul's campaign as a serial hypocrite, he blasted, Gingrich blasted Paul's record of systematic avoidance of reality and called him unthinkable as president, said he's a person who thinks the U.S.
was responsible for 9-11, a person who wrote in his newsletter that the World Trade Center bombing of 93 might have been a CIA plot.
Well, it's on tape, Gingrich.
You're the one who can't deal with reality and says it doesn't matter if the Iranians have a nuclear program, even if it's going to raise the price of oil and drive us into World War III.
Whatever you say, Gingrich, everyone's listening to you, even as Paul holds a slim lead over Romney in the first post-Christmas Iowa poll that's in the Hill, where they report with the Iowa caucus one week away.
Ron Paul is standing his ground in Iowa.
According to a public policy poll released Wednesday, leading the field with 24%, Romney closely behind at 20%.
Then if you look at the actual public policy poll, Newt Gingrich has slid from at one time leading at 27% to 22% to 14% and then 13% over the course of four consecutive polls throughout a month.
So he's really just drowning and he has a very unfavorable view as well.
While Ron Paul has the solid voters, he has the independent and democratic voters who are going to vote in Iowa, he has the young voters, and he has that lead over Romney.
But let's wait and see if they steal it from him.
They've already laid their plans to ignore Iowa if Ron Paul wins.
Surely they won't do that if Romney ends up winning, which is also a possibility.
As artificial as he may be as a candidate.
Meanwhile, even more serious news, Iran promises to close down oil route if sanctions imposed.
For the second time in two days, Iran has threatened to shut down the Strait of Hormuz if new sanctions are imposed in response to its nuclear program.
If they can impose sanctions on Iran's oil exports, then even one drop of oil cannot flow from the Strait of Hormuz.
Rahimi said, of course, they're doing drills there now to do just that, and they've said it's very easy.
The Strait of Hormuz is the only access point for eight Gulf Arab states producing oil for foreign markets.
It's the world's most important oil choke point, according to the U.S.
Department of Energy, and so that will just totally escalate things in World War III.
That's, of course, if the U.S.
goes through with sanctions as planned.
In the weeks past, Paul Watson and many other reporters Uh, talked about how oil would skyrocket to three to even five hundred dollars a barrel if they close the straight of whore moves as Iran has routinely played on the card because they can't get a fair hearing in the world court system of public opinion.
Seemingly, anyway.
We'll keep an eye on that.
Meanwhile, Montanans organized to remove senators who voted for Trader's Detainment Bill.
There's a recall clause in Montana and I believe eight or nine other states, depending on exactly which details you look at.
One thing is clear with the passage of the legislation, National Defense Authorization Act, it is those senators and congressmen who voted for its passage that are violating their oaths to support and protect the Constitution of the United States because everything in the bill is counter to the principles outlined in our founding document.
As such, concerned citizens around the country are now actively pursuing grassroots efforts to utilize never-before-enacted power of the people, the recall of federally elected senators and other officials.
Of course, the NDAA bill has been blasted for just completely doing away with the Sixth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, the Seventh Amendment, the Eighth Amendment, and continuing to damage the Fourth Amendment as well, of course, along with any other amendment they can come across.
Now while the Montana Constitution and those of other states allows for a recall to take place, there is some question about whether those powers will be recognized if taken to federal court because they're not Explicitly defined in the US Constitution, but of course all those powers are reserved to the states where they're not given to the federal powers.
Other states who can also recall senators as well as congressmen who voted for the NDAA include Arizona, Colorado, Louisiana, Michigan, Nevada, North Dakota, Oregon, Wisconsin, and from what I looked at, it looked like Washington as well.
New Jersey's on that list, but it was strucken down in New Jersey.
Something to keep an eye on at any rate.
A recall effort would send a clear message to Washington that the people are upset about what they've done.
They know what's going on and they're not happy about it.
So I think in that respect it's something worth supporting, whether or not it actually came into full fruition.
You've heard about MF Global and the very controversial John Corzine.
He was, of course, a Goldman Sachs executive.
He was also a senator and governor in New Jersey, and we have more developments there.
Of course, we have Vice President Joe Biden just in an absolute love fest of John Corzine, saying they were relying on him in the opening days of the Obama administration to fix the economy, even though their firm MF Global Cannot account for 1.2 billion, which they transfer overseas and other banks and so forth.
But they say they can't find the money.
Let's play some of those Biden clips right now.
Before we were sworn in, when Barack Obama and I were literally sitting at a desk in a high rise in Chicago, beginning to plan how we would try to get this economy out of a ditch, literally, the first guy I called was John Corzine.
What do we talk about?
The first question they want to raise with us is whether we might have to call a bank holiday.
A bank holiday.
On our, the day after we were sworn in.
Ladies and gentlemen, the President and I weren't back there blaming John Corzine.
They know what we were doing.
We were on the phone calling John Corzine.
Now it shouldn't be a big surprise that they were calling John Corzine to fix these problems since he was slated to be probably the next Secretary of the Treasury after Geithner.
First they put in a Federal Reserve guy, then an out-and-out Goldman Sachs guy.
It's all a close circle.
But there's even more ties as the Washington Times exposes the MF Global Chief missing $1.2 billion, who is also a financial advisor to the EPA.
Of course, the EPA has become very controversial for its plans to put absolute economic sanctions on Americans over energy policies, shut down power plants, coal plants, tax Americans just to unbelievable levels, tax light bulbs, have home inspections, all this stuff we've heard about under the bills that they passed and tried to pass, all this stuff we've heard about under the bills that they passed and tried to pass, But at the head of that effort is Lisa Jackson, head of the EPA right now, Who was she?
But chief of staff to John Corzine in New Jersey when he was governor.
She was also the head of New Jersey's EPA at one point.
And then this article brings up MF Global's current chief operating officer, Bradley Abelow, who was prior to Lisa Jackson, The Washington Times article gets into how Bradley Abelow has not disclosed and how they haven't asked questions about in Congress his ties to the EPA as the chief financial advisor
He is the chairman of its financial advisory board and advises on the spending of $8.6 billion for this bloated government agency that looks for more and more money, how to tax Americans into oblivion through what I've already called economic sanctions.
And then we have the quote here, even as he finds himself the public face of a bankruptcy, it admitted to lawmakers that he had no idea How client funds disappeared.
Congress and the administration have voiced no public concern about Mr. Abelow's role advising the $8.6 billion government agency on its finances.
But what's going on here, besides whether or not they ask questions to this Bradley Abelow, is why the Obama administration has not only the Chicago mob, but apparently this New Jersey and Goldman Sachs mob in its midst.
Bradley Abelow is not only Chief of Staff For Governor John Corzine, he was also a top Goldman Sachs executive.
Many people at the time questioned how he could even become the Chief of Staff as he had no relevant political experience but only banking experience.
And now you see what happens when you put these financial firms in charge of the economy and what direction that goes.
Interesting to see the EPA ties to MF Global come to a head.
Between Lisa Jackson, currently in Obama's White House as EPA head administrator, and Bradley Abelow, now chief of MF Global that can't account for the money.
Now, on a totally different subject, I've done a lot of eugenics research here with Alex.
I've read literally hundreds of publications, looked at everything, and this is the first time I've ever seen in detail a single-page smoking gun document that just covers so much of it.
Everything you've heard about ecoscience, which was published in 1977 from the White House, science advisor John P. Holdren, is outlined here in this 1969 document.
It's a private secret memo to Bernard Berilson, who was president at the time of the Population Council, which was founded by John Rockefeller III in the 1950s, to the president, or from rather, the president of Planned Parenthood world population, Frederick or from rather, the president of Planned Parenthood world population, Frederick S.
Jaffe's the one who wrote this memo and it outlines proposed measures to reduce U.S.
fertility by universality or selectivity of impact.
That means ways they're going to constrain the population.
Now of course they've been doing this in third world countries for decades, but this key document came out only a couple years before they started arguing in 1971 for Roe vs. Wade, effectively legalizing abortion in this country, which would later become a tool to target particularly the black population, but also all kinds of Americans, now more than 50 million aborted babies in this country.
Anyway, what's important in this document is how they specifically target the family and even talk about putting fertility control agents in the water supply.
Why do we have all this BPA, all these pharmaceuticals, all these weird substances and the fluoride as well in the water?
Why do we have all these bad chemicals in our food, all the genetically modified problems they know about but won't stop and keep pushing through with automatic regulation in the FDA?
It's because they want to lower the population.
They've been doing it across the country, across the world.
Now they want to do it in this country.
They've been doing it actively since 69.
It talks about restructuring the family, getting people to postpone or avoid marriage, altering the image of the ideal size of family.
It talks about compulsory education of children, encouragement of increased homosexuality.
Right here on paper.
I'm not making this up, people.
Educate for Family Limitation Fertility Control Agents in Water Supply.
It's right here on this memo.
Came out in this Frederick Jaffe's papers while he was at Planned Parenthood years later.
And it also encourages women to work.
So they can't be at home taking care of their families and having more babies.
Instead, they must go to work.
But they're not going to treat those women well, according to this document.
They're going to do everything they can to take away the tax incentives for married couples, for people with more than two children.
It says right here, under a subject I don't even understand, chronic depression, It says, require women to work and provide few childcare facilities.
Limit and eliminate public finance, medical care, scholarships, housings, loans, subsidies, everything for families with too many children.
And it even talks about having permits to be allowed to have children, limiting childbirth to only a certain sector of adults, and compulsory abortion for out-of-wedlock pregnancies.
Whether or not you think Some of these ideas individually might be advisable because you think there's too many people.
This is draconian authoritarianism, and they tried to bring it to America.
It was written about in Ecoscience.
But, as I'm going to show you in these clips, it was practiced in countries including China.
is the world model for the stuff that's on this document for the United States.
Before they had the one-child policy, they had their family planning programs, which is part of the Worldwide Planned Parenthood group, advising people, encouraging them, using propaganda, loudspeakers, everything to get people to have first only two children, first to delay their marriage, but then as you see, later to only be allowed to have one child at the penalty of the police state's gun.
Let's play some of those clips right now from the Barefoot Doctors of China in 1975, four years before the one-child policy.
One of the most important aspects of China's family planning campaign is providing jobs for women.
Women comprise 80% of the employees at this lock factory.
The factory's barefoot doctors keep track of the women's menstrual cycles and deliver birth control pills at the proper time.
Okay, stop it right there.
So I just want to point out they have admitted they're encouraging women to work as a major plank of their family planning program and even regulating their menstrual cycles.
We think this is okay.
No, it's a scientific takeover of humanity.
They're restricting the natural birth cycle of humans.
Whether or not you think there's too many people or whatever, I don't think we want an authoritarian scientific dictatorship in charge.
Let's go on with the clips, please.
The government encourages late marriages and small families.
There it is, from this document.
Postpone or avoid marriage.
Alter the image of the ideal family size.
Keep going, please.
Parents should have only two children, with a recommended spacing of four years.
And these are short clips.
We have longer ones posted on InfoWars, including in the article I wrote over the weekend, China's slave state where the family is outlawed and the rich breed in secret.
That's right, in the one-child state, the rich are having test tube babies eight at a time in this particular case.
But the bigger point here is that you've got this Planned Parenthood mechanism and the Rockefeller Foundation-funded Population Council producing these propaganda videos, And encouraging these publications where they're trying to brainwash the population into having fewer children and for the state to dictate how many children you could have.
That's the key.
The state is who decides what kind of family you should have.
And that's why this is so alarming, especially when it comes to putting fertility control agents in the water supply and hormonally changing people, including Encouraging homosexuality?
I mean, it's just nightmarish what this government and their related NGOs and the United Nations foundations like UNESCO think they can do to us.
I know Alex has covered this in depth.
I don't want to get too much into it, but this is a shocking document and you will find it at Infowars.com.
We covered it in depth there.
When we come back from break, we have that exclusive interview with Colonel Craig Roberts.
It's going to be dynamite, but first we want to play a short clip from him in the film, A Noble Lie, on the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995.
This is a powerful film.
I've seen it for myself.
I was blown away.
I cannot recommend it enough.
We have it here at InfoWars, but we've been selling out because people are so interested in this topic right now.
So get it and share it with other people, then buy more copies to support the filmmakers.
Again, that's at Infowars.com.
Let's go to that clip of Colonel Craig Roberts right now.
Day one, hour two of the bombing, the most significant event that happened is when they said they found other bombs in the building.
The second most significant event was when they moved everybody back and held them back.
There were still people alive trapped in the building, but they came in with two trucks and backed them up to the Murrah building and a bunch of these guys dressed in blue jackets with no letters on the back started taking boxes of files out and putting them on this truck.
And it was during this time that early in the investigation that I started receiving some various phone calls.
One of them was a phone call from Little Rock, Arkansas.
The guy said that he was a federal agent.
He was not an FBI agent.
He was not ATF.
But what he did say was, during their investigation of the Clintons, On all the drug running that went through Mena, Arkansas, and you know, Lassiter's Ranch, and all of that stuff that was going on at the time during our encontra, that those records, when Clinton went to Washington, were transferred from there to the Murrah Building.
Of course, the other kill he's healed is the videotapes of the building itself from the different surveillance cameras that no one's seen.
If McVeigh was Lee Harvey McVeigh all by himself, the lone nut with a truck, Then why don't they show us the videotapes of the truck?
Show us the videotapes of him getting out.
Or was there more than him in the truck?
And that's just a short clip, folks.
I mean, this whole Oklahoma City thing is not only an inside job, it is a conspiracy.
It's cold-blooded murder.
It's just unbelievable.
You've got to see the section they have on Terrence Yakey.
But that is all coming up with Colonel Craig Roberts.
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We were brought up loving our country and our Constitution.
That in the United States of America, we were free.
And that's an attitude that we've tried to instill in our children.
I met my wife while in the Air Force.
I was a combat pilot in Vietnam.
I served in Desert Storm as a commander.
When I graduated from the Academy, I took the oath of office.
And as a commander, I administered that oath to many people.
Now I wonder about the understanding people have of our Constitution and I think about our candidates for President of the United States.
It's interesting to see the support Ron Paul gets from the military and if we think back to the Code of Conduct and people raising their right hand that they were going to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Why would those same people Support in great numbers on Paul.
I think it's because they know that he supports the Constitution of the United States.
It doesn't mean you have to go to war to do it.
It means you have to understand what the Constitution is.
And be a supporter inside of your own country, whether you're in the military or not, of that Constitution.
And make the United States strong.
And Ron Paul does that.
That's his feeling.
That's his thrust.
And that's why if you look at the percentages that support him in the military, it's huge.
Why is that?
Because they've raised their right hands.
And they're putting their lives on the line for us here in the United States.
and they know that Ron Paul does the same. - We are back on the InfoWars Nightly News.
We are joined now by Colonel Craig Roberts as we showed you before the break.
He appears in the film A Noble Lie, a wonderful expose of the Oklahoma City false flag bombing.
He's a retired Tulsa police officer.
He's on the Fugitive Squad, the Bomb Squad, the Police Helicopter Pilot.
He's also an Army Intelligence Officer and a Marine Corps Sniper in Vietnam, as well as an author of numerous books and has worked in TV.
He joins us now to talk about the Oklahoma City bombing.
Thank you, Colonel Roberts.
Glad to be with you.
Now, for those who haven't seen the film, give us an overview of what this film covers, and as we talked about before this interview began, how there's so much more to the story than they could even put in this two-hour documentary.
Well yeah, I spent eight years on the case myself.
Six months while I was still a police officer and then after I retired I continued working on the case because there's just so much more out there that didn't come before the public.
The media wouldn't bring it up, wouldn't touch it with a stick.
We chased so many leads, so many different directions.
We know that there's a lot more people involved than just McVeigh and Nichols.
And basically the bottom line in the movie is Charles Key, the state representative from Oklahoma that was real involved in trying to get to the bottom of the bombing when it occurred back in 1995 and stayed with it for a while after that.
And the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Commission that was formed that had several different people involved in that working on the case, most of them civilians.
The whole key there, the whole thing that they were trying to get out and put forth in the movie was proof that the government had foreknowledge that this was going to happen before it happened.
There's so many things that led up to it that we found out later.
Why was the the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office bomb squad at the building at six o'clock in the morning with a bomb truck?
Why were there dogs there searching the area?
Why was the building staked out by the Sheriff's Office prior to the riders truck ever showing up?
I've seen photographs of us from a stakeout camera.
The front of the Murrah building where a UPS truck drives up just before nine o'clock in the morning right in front of the front door and they've got a picture of it.
They're sitting there taking pictures of the building.
UPS truck leaves and then of course the rider truck shows up a little bit later.
So we know that that occurred at the time.
We've got, you know, so many different eyewitnesses that saw Middle Easterners leave the front of the building that held the parking place for the Ryder truck so McVeigh could pull it up.
And there was other people in the Ryder truck.
How many we don't know because the FBI has never showed us any of the dozens of surveillance videotapes that were taken at the scene.
You know, you look at the Kennedy assassination, And at least you've got the Zapruder film that, whether it's been doctored since then or not, is irrelevant.
The problem is we've got the Zapruder film.
It was released to the public.
Anybody can watch it and see the assassination of John F. Kennedy, but yet we're not allowed to see any of the videotapes of the Oklahoma City bombing case.
Now, if there's no others out there, if it was McVeigh and Nichols and the case is closed, then show us the tapes.
What's the problem?
That's the Achilles heel of the whole case right there is the videotapes.
There are so many aspects to this case, so many facets that you can explore that just don't make sense, or they do make sense, and you can't do anything with them.
Jayna Davis did a fantastic job.
She was a reporter for KFOR down there on Channel 14 television news.
And she was working on the Middle Eastern Connections, all of the different people involved that she had, you know, surveillance pictures of.
She had their names.
She knew where they came from, who they worked for, the whole bit.
And she got depositions.
She got everything.
And she couldn't give it to the FBI.
She couldn't make the Justice Department even take all the evidence that she collected in this case.
You know, I give her a lot of credit for doing a lot of work on this.
And she ended up losing her job over it.
She did such a great job.
That her station was bought out and she was fired just to shut her up.
But going back to the beginning of this, Charles Key's objective in it, and especially the folks that put this documentary together, the thrust of it, the hook, is did the government have foreknowledge of this in advance?
Could it have been stopped?
Was it a sting operation gone awry?
Who in the government knew?
How much did they know?
When did they know it?
How far in advance did they know it?
And when you start getting into those aspects of the film, you can see all of the stuff that was turned up, or at least a lot of it.
There's just so much out there.
I've got, when I retired, I had five boxes of files on just this case that went all kinds of different directions.
So the documentary itself, which I was glad to help with, exposes so much that went on that was not in the mainstream news.
In fact, I was assigned the case on the third day, on Friday of that week.
It happened on a Wednesday, the 19th of April, 1995.
And Friday afternoon, I was asked by the local officer of the FBI, through our chief's office, if I could help them.
Because as an investigative journalist, besides being a police officer, I had a lot of contacts that they didn't have.
And because they didn't have those contacts and couldn't get those contacts or even buy those contacts, they wanted me to see what I could find out about the case.
Especially, who was McVeigh?
Has he ever been to Oklahoma?
If so, where has he been?
Who does he talk to?
And so on and so forth.
But it got bigger than that.
I'm kind of like a pit bull.
Once I get on a case, I'm going to let go of it.
And I started just going different directions all over the country with this case and finding out all kinds of things and ended up linking up with other investigative journalists and other police officers around the country and so on and so forth.
And we started turning up stuff and I kept turning in all those reports and they just kind of disappeared into a black hole.
It just got more bizarre and more bizarre.
Well, in July of that year, I went out to California to visit my father.
There was no news in California about the Oklahoma City bombing.
There was no news out of state about the Oklahoma City bombing or the investigation.
Sure, there was news the day it happened, and maybe one or two days after that, and then it was like a blackout across the country.
Unless somebody was going to trial, or unless somebody had just been arrested, or the elusive John Doe II that they said was this Todd Bunning who rented a Ryder truck the day ahead of time, and it really wasn't him, so there really wasn't a John Doe II, which is all hogwash.
Unless it was something like that, nothing hit the news.
So the rest of the country, it was a blackout.
They were kept in the dark.
So unless you go to some of the books and some of the documentaries that have been filmed since then and that are available out there, you're not going to hear anything about it.
Unless you come on the Alex Jones Show or some other talk radio show where somebody that's been working on the case is willing to appear.
Well, Colonel Roberts, I know you've probably covered a lot of this in your past appearances, but a lot of people are watching A Noble Lie for the first time.
I know for me it was a real primer into the detailed kind of overview, because I missed a lot of that when it originally happened.
But can you talk about some of the other threats to police officers?
We had Don Browning, who's also in the film.
There's a large section on Terrence Yankee.
uh... to who i know you profiled and the terrible uh... treatment he was given can you talk about those threats i mean that's more than just prior knowledge that's uh... intimidating torturing killing uh... police and other first responder witnesses who had uh... relevant knowledge to this case well uh... don brownie is good friend of mine don was uh...
Fantastic police officer.
He was it was toward the end of his career.
He was a canine sergeant at the time and he was one of the first two in the building is from from what I understand him and Terry Aikie and looking for you know victims that were still alive trying to do the best they could and and Don saw Damage inside the building that wasn't reported anyplace else.
He saw damage in the back of the building, what they call the pit, where it went down two or three floors inside what had been the Parquet, where there were other explosives had detonated inside the building, and that's always left out.
They don't want anybody to know that.
They want everybody to think it's Lee Harvey McVeigh with a truck bomb, and that was it.
When all that was was the diversion.
The actual explosives were inside the building.
That's what brought down the major damage in there.
Don saw all this stuff.
And he kept trying to tell people about it.
And his own chain of command told him to shut up.
Don't talk about this stuff.
And then, of course, the feds came and leaned on him and said, you need to back off of this.
You know, things could happen.
I think they even told him that if he didn't shut up, he could die.
You know, that sort of thing.
They weren't that blatant with me.
With me, they tapped my phone, they tapped my fax machine, they followed me, they tapped my office phones at the police department.
And I knew all the stuff because I had gear that showed when, you know, there was something on the line.
I had fun with it.
I had a great time with it myself.
They didn't intimidate me.
I just don't scare easy after, you know, after being in the Marine Corps in Vietnam and all the stuff I've been through.
You know, I just didn't scare, so it didn't bother me.
Uh, you know, my idea was if you're going to do something to me, bring your own body bags and bring your lunch because it's going to take a while.
And that's, you know, that's just the way I am.
So they, they didn't try that tack with me.
Uh, but with, with Terry Yakey, on the other hand, that was a whole different deal.
Uh, Terry, now I never knew Terry.
I never met him.
I found out about all of this later on.
Uh, excuse me, but he, uh, he was a sergeant on the police department in Oklahoma City.
And he was, I think he was the first one in the building.
And he didn't like what he saw.
I don't know exactly what he saw in the building, but I suspect he saw possibly some charges that did not go off.
Because one of the ladies, Jane Graham, who worked there, had gone to work, I think it was a day or two before that, and saw who she thought was Andrea Strassmeyer.
And two other guys in the basement of the building putting putty on the columns and stringing what she thought was telephone wire between them.
To me it sounds like it was probably composition C4 and dead cord that they were stringing on the columns inside the building.
And they were wearing GSA coveralls.
Uh, as, as camouflage.
Uh, so, so later on, we find out that, uh, you know, uh, not all the charges probably went off, and maybe Don Browning, uh, saw the damage, and Terrence Jeky saw some of the charges.
I don't know, but I'm just, that's a theory I have.
But whatever it was he saw, he kept trying to tell people about, and he was told by his own chain of command, stay off this, it's a federal deal, you don't want to do this, back off, uh, you know, just forget the whole thing, and he just wouldn't do it.
And so he was accumulating evidence.
He was getting statements from witnesses.
He was talking to people that were survivors and things like that.
His apartment was broken into.
He was being followed around.
And on one particular night, one particular afternoon, he was supposed to have dinner with a friend of his.
And he called him up and he said, listen, I've got to run some stuff out to my mini storage in El Reno.
And he said, when I get done with that, I'll come back and we'll go to dinner as soon as I shake these two feds that are following me.
So, for some reason he thought that there were two federal agents following him, probably, you know, in some sedan or something, wearing sunglasses, I don't know.
But he was under the impression that they were following him.
And he never came back.
No one heard from him again.
And he was found the next day not far from the El Reno Federal Reformatory in a field, out in the middle of a field.
His car had been abandoned on a side road there.
There was blood in the car.
The car was locked up.
They found a knife up where the heater would be, up under the dashboard.
Why would you use a knife and then hide it unless you were doing something to somebody else?
Because they wrote this whole thing up as a suicide when they found his body.
When they found his body out in the middle of this field, we had to go through a bar ditch and a barbed wire fence to get out in the middle of this field.
He had slash marks inside his wrists, slash marks inside both elbows, one on each side of his neck.
He had rope burns around his neck, or ligature marks around his neck, and he had handcuff marks on his wrist.
And then he was shot and he'd been beaten and tortured and he'd been shot from the upper side of his head down through the lower jaw and there was no hardly any powder burns there was no there's a contact room with hardly any powder burns which tells me it's probably a silencer or a sound suppressor because that's where the powder would go instead.
Obviously not a suicide.
It was that, and who shoots themselves a downward angle anyway?
You know, you go on your chin, you go on your mouth, go through your head, but you don't get uncomfortable before you kill yourself.
And I've got these diagrams, by the way, on my website.
If somebody wants to go to Rifle Warrior, that's rifle isn't gun, warrior isn't soldier, all one word, riflewarrior.com, and scroll down to the Baker Street Irregulars, Go to that and click on Terence Yakey's case.
And all those diagrams are there.
The death certificate written up as a suicide and the whole bit.
Interestingly enough, it was a small caliber gun, probably a .32.
Well, he was supposed to carry, I think, a Glock 40 or 9mm.
I can't remember which they had issued back in those days.
But whatever it was, there was no gun found at the scene.
The gun turns up later and I'm not even sure if it was his service pistol or not.
But the family wasn't even notified until later on and when they were notified did they send a police car over to get his mother?
No.
Did they send anybody over to do anything with the family?
No.
If you get the DVD Uh, a noble lie.
They interviewed Terence Hickey's mother.
They go into this case and it's very interesting to see all of the different things that happened at that time down in the Oklahoma City area.
But he was murdered.
It was written up as a suicide.
Plain and simple.
And there were so many others that had mysterious deaths.
around the Oklahoma City bombing and right afterwards.
If you get on the internet and just type in Oklahoma City murders or Oklahoma City suicides or Oklahoma City bombing deaths, you can bring up a string of them.
There's Dr. Chunley.
He was the doctor that was on the scene that set up and kind of first aid station, was treating people there.
And the ATF agents came up and wanted him to be treated and told him that they were, you know, they had been in this elevator and the elevator fell and all that.
They found out later, the elevator never fell and they were never in it.
They weren't even in the building when this thing went down, but he was telling everybody these guys weren't hurt and they were not in the building when this happened.
Well, he was on a, not long after that, he was on a hunting trip with some friends and they went out, flew it in a Cessna 210 airplane out to New Mexico, and they were flying back, weather was clear, nothing wrong with anything, and the airplane, all of a sudden, over Shamrock, Texas, spirals straight down into the ground and kills them all.
Uh, and there was nothing wrong with the airplane.
It wasn't instrument conditions or anything.
The FAA, uh, said, well, you know, the only thing they could think is maybe he was the only one that knew how to fly and he had a heart attack and no one knew how to pull the airplane out of the dive.
We'll never know because the wreckage was so bad.
But, you know, bottom line is that there were so many after that, you know, so many different witnesses, you know, disappeared, killed, you know, so on and so forth.
Sir, shifting gears, where's the larger story point?
We know there's the whole Elohim City element with all these infiltrators, Andy Strossmeier intelligence, super intelligence, whatever.
The Jesse Trinidou document showed the SPLC.
On phone calls with McVeigh and other people inside the Elohim City compound.
And then you have the political elements with Holder and Reno and all the ATF people.
And they're still at it today, many of them, pursuing other false flags for political motives.
Where does this larger story point, sir, if you could point us in the right direction?
Well, it gets real interesting because it's like going into a building with a lot of different hallways.
It just depends which one you want to go down.
It's all got the same front door and the same back door, but the hallways go off in an elaborance.
It's a maze in there.
What I couldn't understand is we had on day three, day four, and day five, Of course, they got McVeigh by then and they put him in jail.
And all the eyewitnesses were pointing to these Middle Eastern males wearing blue jogging suits that were in front of the building that ran off and jumped into a brown GMC pickup and raced away from the building just as the truck pulled up and so on and so forth.
We're following Middle Eastern connections all over the place.
The APBs that were coming out had to do with Middle Easterners, you know, era types.
Then all of a sudden, on Sunday, the whole game changed.
The FBI raids Nichols Brothers Farm, James Nichols up in Michigan.
and didn't find anything up there.
They searched the place, didn't find anything.
They've got Nichols now.
He's turned himself in in Harrington, Kansas.
And we had absolutely nothing to go any direction except to McVeigh and these Middle Easterners that he was somehow connected to.
We didn't know how right at that particular time.
Then all of a sudden the media does this launch on Michigan on Nichols Brothers Farm and all of a sudden the whole case changed.
Bill Clinton stands up and he makes a statement, there is no Middle Eastern connection.
Period.
Okay, wait a minute.
That's all we've got is the Middle Eastern Connections.
What's going on here?
And that's when the media launched off on the right wing, conservative radio talk show host, the militias, and so on and so forth.
And I couldn't understand where they were getting all this.
Where's all this coming from?
This may be the natural enemy of the Clintons, and it may be the natural enemy of the left wing, and the communists, and the Marxists, and all that nonsense, but they're not involved in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Now, we haven't got one thing pointing that direction right now.
FBI asked me, do you think any militias are involved in this?
I said, no.
I said, if there was a militia around here, and they knew the federal building was going to be bombed, they would have guarded it.
Now, if it was a UN building, that would be a different story.
I'd start looking that direction.
But not a federal building, you know, a public building, that's like blowing up the post office.
Who wants to do that?
There's something else involved here and something's not right because all we have is Middle Eastern connections.
We don't have anything pointing that direction.
But the FBI all of a sudden shut down its investigation of any lead that went to a Middle Eastern connection.
And they started focusing on militias, the NRA, right-wing radio talk show host, as Charles Schumer said, right-wing radicals.
All this kind of stuff.
We had nothing going there.
And I couldn't figure out what was going on.
And then, you know, a couple of months into this thing, my FBI contact guy that I was supposed to be working with called me up and he said, hey, have you ever heard of a place called Elohim City?
And I said, Elohim City?
What's that?
He said, it's a place in Oklahoma.
I said, well, I've lived here 40 years and I've never heard of it.
And he said, no, it's supposed to be some kind of community in Oklahoma.
Well, he knew a lot more about it than he was being honest with me about.
I think he just wanted to know if I'd ever heard of it or knew anything about it.
And I never had.
I had to research it myself to figure out what it was.
And it's nothing.
It's just a group of houses out in the middle of nowhere woods on the Arkansas border just inside of Oklahoma.
And it's basically one family down there, the Millars, and mostly relatives.
And they got this little Christian identity community thing going.
But the odd man out on the whole deal was Andrea Strassmeyer.
And then I stumbled onto another deal about Elohim City.
There was a guy named Dennis Mahon.
I knew who Dennis Mahon was.
And he knew me.
He was a local Tulsa character.
He was the Grand Wizard of KKK in Tulsa, you know, a few years before that.
He was involved in all kinds of neo-Nazi stuff.
He was a friend of the war, the White Area Resistance, Metzger up in Sandpoint, Idaho.
And he knew all these characters.
But he was mostly just talk.
Dennis Mahon, there's two of them.
They're twin brothers.
And Dennis was the radical one.
And all he did was talk a lot.
And they'd go to the Dairy Queen and have their KKK meeting with all six guys.
I mean, it was no big deal.
But I think probably by this time, Mahon was an informant for one of the federal agencies, probably the FBI.
And he was linking up with Strassmeier.
He was going down and visiting Strassmeier at LOM City.
Of course, I didn't know who Strassmeier was at the time, but we found out later that his dad was a secretary for Helmut Kohl, who was the chancellor of Germany, or assistant chancellor, whatever it was.
And Strassmeier was in the pants of Grenadiers as an intelligence officer.
And at the time, Germany was having a real bad time trying to deal with an emerging neo-Nazi movement that was happening in Germany.
And I think that they sent Strassmeier over here to try to infiltrate the American end of this because a lot of the materials they were getting, a lot of the Nazi symbology and all the different things, the accoutrements and stuff, were being shipped to Germany from America because they weren't even supposed to have it over there and they sure couldn't buy it.
And Mahon was involved in all of that.
I think he was supplying Strassmeier with stuff.
Thinking Strassmeier is a good German Neo-Nazi that came over here.
And Strassmeier was an informant for Somebody, and we just weren't sure who at the time.
The FBI swore it wasn't them, but that was the local FBI.
It wasn't until quite a while later that the Southern Poverty Law Center connection came up, which brings Morris Dees into it.
And because they got linked into this deal, all of a sudden the lights started going on for me.
And I'm going, wait a minute.
We were after the Middle Easterners until Sunday, then all of a sudden we're after the right wing and the militias.
Now who's the biggest guy out there making money from selling newsletters called Militia Watch and writing books about the militia and the right wing and the militia movement but more is these.
He made money off this deal.
Well he's got Strassmeier evidently reporting to him or to the Southern Poverty Law Center according to the documentation that's surfaced since then.
And so that's starting to make sense, but let me tell you what didn't make any sense.
Okay, let's say Strassmeier's working for him.
When it came time for someone to talk to Strassmeier about his connection to McVeigh, LOMC, the bombing, and to Dennis Mahon, Strassmeier disappears.
And somebody hides him and smuggles him out of the country.
But is it Morris Dease?
No.
It's Kirk Lyons at the Cause Foundation, which is in North Carolina.
And he's the lawyer that is the alter ego, the exact opposite.
of Morris Deese.
As far left as Morris Deese is, Kirk Lyons is supposed to be that far to the right.
He defended the KKK in lawsuits against Morris Deese.
And now he is working to get Strassmeyer safely out of the country and back to Germany through Mexico.
Now, what connection does that have?
We got Strassmeyer working for both of them at the same time?
Or knows both of them at the same time?
There's a connection there somewhere.
And no one really explored that or said a word about that.
That would have been something I would have been all over like a dog on a junebug.
And it just didn't happen.
So every time we get really hard, good evidence of something going on, it doesn't go anyplace.
It's like Janet Davis said, you know, who do you go to with this information if the people that are supposed to take it don't want it, won't touch it?
You know, so who's involved?
And then of course, you know, with all this out on the table, we could always go into the Middle Eastern connection through Nichols, if you want to.
Well, we'll leave that for next time, but I do want to bring up the potential for a next attack because we have Obama advisors, including Robert Shapiro, saying, I know you haven't seen the specific article, but you've probably heard similar calls, for a way to boost his sagging popularity with a new 9-11 style Oklahoma City attack.
At the same time, you've got the SPLC and Homeland Security Beating the drum for domestic extremist right-wing extremist militia type threat all throughout the Obama administration.
Well, there are so many cans that they could open up and dump the worms out of right now.
It's pathetic.
You can go after the right wing.
You can go after... There really isn't any big militia movements left anymore.
There's little groups of people and little home defense groups that get together and individuals, what they call the lone wolf.
I mean, this whole country is on a powder keg right now.
Everybody's tired of what's going on.
There's people out there talking about picking up guns.
I mean, it's happening all over the country.
We know that.
That's the atmosphere right now.
But what would set off a government crackdown, for lack of a better word, anything could.
How about Israel and Iran getting into it?
How about us going into Iran and blocking the Straits of Hormuz?
We've got biological terrorism still capable of occurring in this country.
We've got all kinds of Middle Eastern terrorists bringing whatever they want across the Mexican border and the Obama administration doing nothing about it.
You remember the DC Snipers, the two guys that run around the car just shooting people at random?
Well, if you started that with Islamics, or people dressed up to look like Islamics, and just started shooting people around the country and swearing up and down, you know, taking credit as it's Jihad, Then you would have the mainstream America against the Muslim community.
No one would trust anybody.
Blah, blah, blah.
I mean, any pretext alone.
If you had events like blowing up a train, blowing up another airplane.
I'm not talking about TWA, you turned over the water.
I'm talking about over the middle of the United States.
You know, something like that, a jumbo jet.
If you had anything that would precipitate a TSA homeland security crackdown.
It wouldn't take that much.
Anything to do that.
Any threat to the population that the media could play up on, such as biological or radiological, a dirty bomb someplace.
Yeah, they'll take any pretext that sells.
Any pretext.
They've got a whole toolbox full of them.
And the thing about it is, it could happen.
And the reason it can happen is because it's happened before.
The Amtrak derailment in Arizona, the Oklahoma City bombing, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, 9-11.
Uh, you know, I mean, they've hit virtually every possible type of terrorist targets, except a ship at sea.
And that happened with the Achille Lauro.
But, you know, that's how many people go out and ride a cruise ship compared to how many people go to the post office, how many people go to a clinic, how many people go to a sports stadium.
water supply, how many people ride on airplanes.
You know, you and I, the only way you can have terror is to have fear.
The only way you can have fear is to have two things, an incident and media.
If the incident happens and no one knows about it, it's not terrorism because no one's afraid.
But if it happens and the media makes it into a bigger deal than it is and it's everywhere, then we have fear, then we have everybody demanding something be done.
And when you demand that something is done, we end up with things like the 1995 omnibus crime bill and the Paid Good Act and so on and so forth.
And then what do you do with the population?
If you have an outbreak of something in the city, what do you do with the population?
You've got to move them to a relocation center.
Now, is that starting to sound a little bit familiar?
Putting all the pieces of the puzzle together.
Well said, sir, and we appreciate you joining us.
I hope we'll have you back on very soon to get even further into this case and everything that's happening in the modern day.
Colonel Craig Roberts, thank you for joining us tonight on the InfoWars Nightly News, and we'll be back again tomorrow.
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