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June 19, 2025 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes

05:17:11

Reacting to Tucker Carlson vs Ted Cruz

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donald j trump

12:03

nick fuentes

02:13:39

ted cruz

47:38

tucker carlson

26:57

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michelle malkin

01:55

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layne staley [aic]

00:03

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unidentified		music But as soon as people start playing games, I stop.
		I stop playing games.
		And at any moment, I can hit that yay button.
		music I think I know my first.
		music Okay.
		music Not my
		words, not my rules.
		I can endorse them, alright?
		music Thank
		you.
		Thank you.
		And then nowadays, I am so upset that the things we did and the things we fought for and the boys that died for it, it's all gone down the drain.
		Our country's gone to hell in a handbasket.
		We haven't got the country we had when I was raised.
		Not at all.
		Nobody will have the fun I have.
		Nobody will have the opportunity I have.
		It's just not the same.
		Jesus is the way and the life and the King of Israel.
		We just leave with love.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We're really at a crossroads here.
		Look around here.
		It's drag queens in schools.
		It's 18-year-olds joining OnlyFans.
		It's the filth on TikTok.
		It's this country not having a border.
		It's the idea that our kids and we, this generation, are never gonna own anything.
		Think about it.
		Never making an income to support a family.
		Never being able to have a family.
		People being corrupted before they're even a teenager by things on their phone.
		Sick addiction to technology.
		The future is so bleak, but...
unidentified		God is using me.
		He's breaking me down.
		Removing all of the, you know, richest person, all of this, so I can serve him.
		I think they've been extremely unfair to you.
		Who is they, though?
		We can't tell you who they is, can we?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		There is no future if we do nothing now.
		There is nothing to lose.
		People that are scrambling, trying to protect their ever-shrinking share of what they have are foolish.
		It's all going.
		It's all going away.
		This country is being ripped apart and raped and looted.
		We're being slowly poisoned and, in some cases, quickly murdered and assassinated.
		And we're killing ourselves every day, inadvertently, with the kinds of things that we eat and breathe and drink and see.
		People have got to start to radically begin to obey their conscience and tell the truth and do the right thing.
		People have got to start to get courageous.
		And this is the time for everybody to turn and look to God and to pray and to ask for strength and to ask for wisdom to get through this time and to transform and sanctify this country.
		And the alternative is that there will be no country.
		Is it really only as big as low gas prices?
		Is it really only so big as bringing inflation and gas prices and the corporate tax rate back down?
		It's not about waiting for someone to come in and change the policy and make it better.
		It's a personal decision that we all have to make to become soldiers of Christ.
michelle malkin ▲ ● ▼		My own narrative is not one of some sudden, booming bolt of lightning out of the blue.
		It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.
		And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.
unidentified		Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?
michelle malkin ▲ ● ▼		I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Greupel Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty.
michelle malkin ▲ ● ▼		And of course, defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who threw an increasing amount of activism are really going to ensure the future and the success of that movement.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Roypers and all the alt-riders that got banned, all the alt-riders that got slandered, even people that killed themselves.
		Our courses paved the way for you now to walk over.
		And you can't give us acknowledgement.
		Now you want to slam the door on us.
unidentified		It's not right.
		In the days after the September attacks, there were countless rumors about strange coincidences surrounding the events.
		One report about a group of Middle Eastern men spotted the morning of September 11th parked just across the river from New York City has not gone away.
		Music And the Romans?
		Where were they now?
		You're looking at him, asshole.
		Outro Music.
		It couldn't be more clear cut.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The way things are going, this civilization is over.
		It's over.
		Forget about it.
		Everything good is over.
		Everything good about our society is over.
		When you drive into a nice, rich suburb and breathe it in, because it's done.
		It's gone.
		Go to a nice suburb where the lawns are nicely kept.
		Where the mailman walks around and delivers the mail.
		Where people are walking their dogs and little kids are ice skating in the park.
		And people are driving around and they're driving clean cars and the houses are maintained and kept up and you go down to the bakery and you get a...
		we can't even get into the transportation.
		Maybe somewhere you go to a train station and people politely wait for people to leave before they enter.
		You go to an elevator and people wait for the people leaving the elevator before they get in.
		Things work.
		You go to the grocery store.
		There's food.
unidentified		You walk around.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The air is clean.
unidentified		The water's clean.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Things are running on time.
		Things are reliable.
		Breathe it all in and appreciate it while it lasts because it's all going out.
		This country is going to be mostly non-white by the end of this century.
		That's going to be in the lifetimes of our grandchildren.
		I'm a young guy.
		That's going to be, if I have kids, the generation of my grandchildren.
		They're going to be living in South Africa.
		Graffiti, violence, litter, weeds everywhere, dust and dirt and filth, and open sewage, and the water's poisonous, and the air is poisonous, and the government's unstable, and the entertainment is slop and trash.
		And everything is just going to suck.
		Okay?
		We're fighting for our lives here.
		We're fighting for our civilization.
		The question is, is it worth it?
		And a lot of people, you know, they sort of understand where things are headed.
		It's good enough now.
		And many people are just trying to enjoy the last hurrah before it's all over.
		People are living lives of hedonism, taking advantage while they can.
		Or they're living more responsible lives, but similarly, just trying to soak it in while they still can.
		And ignoring, living in a sort of self-imposed naivete or delusion about what's going on just outside the city gates, outside of the gated community, on the other side of the tracks, downtown, wherever.
		Can't do it forever.
		Can't run forever.
		The question is, is our civilization worth it?
		Is it worth it to have a civilization like this on Earth?
		There is something involved where we have to forgive them.
		We do have to forgive them for their ignorance.
		We do have to forgive them for their misunderstanding.
		And we have to embrace them and say, better late than never.
		Welcome to the right side of history.
		Welcome to our massive vision.
		our massive and ambitious vision for how we want the world to be.
		He's like, this is probably pretty cool for you.
		I'm like, yeah, it is.
unidentified		I'm like, yeah, it is.
		I'm like, yeah, it is.
		A new droiper war.
		The courageous fallen, the anguished fallen, their lives have meaning.
		Because we, the living, refuse to forget them.
		And as we ride to certain death, we trust our successors to do the same for us.
		Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world.
		My soldiers push forward.
		My soldiers scream out.
		My soldiers reach!
		I can't see a damn thing if they walk.
		I can't see a damn thing if they walk.
		They like Stevie.
		They can't see me.
		They won't beat me.
		I'm in that guinea.
		We can't go back to the past.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's what people always say, isn't it?
		They say, can we really go back?
		And the answer is, whether you're conservative or liberal, right when you're left with, And the answer is no, we're never going back.
		I would call myself something like a Christian futurist instead.
		Because Jesus Christ was our past before any of us were born or conceived.
		Jesus Christ is our present now.
		And Jesus Christ is our future after we die on earth.
unidentified		And Jesus Christ is our future after we die on earth.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We want this century to be the most Christian century in the history of planet Earth.
unidentified		We love everybody.
		And we want people that can burn really more than anybody.
		But this country can no longer be held hostage by a small minority that doesn't believe in the real world.
		The mission of our movement is to make this country a Christian country.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The mission is to create a Christian future in our time.
		The only way we're going to do it is not by infiltrating, not by subverting, not by lying, which is what a lot of people do.
		The only way that we're going to make this happen is with the boldness of a real Christian.
unidentified		It's the only way.
		We have got to be willing to die for Jesus Christ.
		We have to want it more than they do.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because if there are thousands and millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions of Christians ready to meet their final destiny, then nothing can stop us and nothing will.
unidentified		I'm back.
		Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh
		Oh Oh Yeah, yeah, we go all night.
		You gon'send me big, gon'send me big, gon'turn up all night.
		You gon'send my dream, you gon'send my cup, you gon'send me all right.
		They haven't a feeling, they've been out and prospered, they've been turning, they jumping, they've lost, I'm tweaking.
		We got no good secret, we put up outside, you out of your mind, you crazy tweaking.
		That's what we're outta my lane, bad in my mind, I'm really out of my thinking.
		Know that you lovin'these lights, you lovin'this world, we runnin'and beg every weekend.
		So they ain't lovin'with me every time I know you're speaking.
		All y'all tryin'to get sad, these lights, that world, y'all get to run the bed.
		I'm up every weekend.
		Now you see I'm torn off on the table.
		You say that I'm bad for no reason.
		Bitch, I'm big up, I'm big up.
		On the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the.
		On the, on the, on the.
		So I get a hot teddy on my chest, name it, I'm talking about the slide dolls on the VIP.
		I got a white and a blade, I got a butterfly.
		I cut through with nothing legs, nigga, fucking lies.
		I know they're scared, you go fuck it down.
		I sit through the middle and they hit my strike, guys.
layne staley [aic] ▲ ● ▼		I'm a fly guy.
unidentified		They said they didn't win, they just took it back, guys.
		You got no pain, I got no pain, you can't even fuck with us, I. You got a tray, I got no pain, you can't even fuck with us, I. This one hit us, they fucking with the world, boy.
		America first is inevitable.
		It's unstoppable.
		And the reason why is because it's not cool to shill for big business.
		It's not cool to shill for Israel.
		It's not.
		It's big.
		It's not.
		This is a Christian nation.
		This is a miracle.
		This is a Christian nation.
		This is a Christian nation.
		This is a Christian nation.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		This is a Christian nation.
		not always fair.
		You will find that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that are not always warranted.
		But you have to put your head down and fight, fight, Never, ever, ever give up.
		Don't give in.
		Don't back down.
		And never stop doing what you know is right.
		Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy.
		And the more righteous you fight, the more opposition that you will face.
		In your hearts are inscribed the values of service, sacrifice, and devotion.
		Now you must go forth into the world and turn your hopes and dreams into action.
		America has always been the land of dreams because America is a nation of true believers.
		When the pilgrims landed at Plymouth, they prayed.
		When the founders wrote the Declaration of Independence, they invoked our Creator for Because in America, we don't worship government.
		We worship God.
		It is why our currency proudly declares, in God we trust.
		And it's why we proudly proclaim that we are one nation under God.
		The story of America is the story of an adventure that began with deep faith, big dreams, and humble beginnings.
		The next generation of American leaders, never, ever give up.
		There'll be times in your life you'll want to quit.
		Never quit.
		Never stop fighting for what you believe in and for the people who care about you.
		Carry yourself with dignity and pride.
		Demand the best from yourself.
		The more people tell you it's not possible.
		That it can't be done, the more you should be absolutely determined to prove them wrong.
		Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.
		Relish the opportunity to be an outsider.
		The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, the more certain you should be that you must keep pushing.
unidentified		You must keep pushing forward.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		And always have the courage to be yourself.
		America is better when people put their faith into action.
		Pray to God and follow his teachings.
		Today, each of you begins a new chapter as well.
		When your story goes from here, it will be defined.
		By your vision, your perseverance, and your grit, you will build a future where we have the courage to chase our dreams no matter what the cynics and the doubters have to say.
		You will have the confidence to speak the hopes in your hearts and to express the love that stirs your souls.
		As long as you have pride in your beliefs.
		Courage in your convictions and faith in God, then you will not fail.
		As long as America remains true to its values, loyal to its citizens, and devoted to its creator, then our best days are yet to come.
unidentified		Thank you.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		May God bless the United States.
		United States of America.
		And I just want to let you know that God blesses you.
		And I want to just say you are special in every way.
		God bless you and God bless America.
		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you so much, everybody.
unidentified		Can I just say, are you trusting Brian Adams?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.
		The future belongs to the people who follow their heart no matter what the critics say.
		We must always remember that we share one home and one glorious destiny.
		We all bleed the same red blood of patriots.
		We all salute the same great American flag.
unidentified		Our best days are yet to come.
		Are you winning, son?
		Are you winning, son?
		I wish that you cocaine like me.
michelle malkin ▲ ● ▼		My own narrative is not one of some sudden looming bolt of lightning out of the blue.
		It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.
		And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.
unidentified		Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?
michelle malkin ▲ ● ▼		I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Griper Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty and, of course, defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who, through an increasing amount of activism, are really going to ensure the future and the success of that.
unidentified		Alexander the Great, Donald Trump, we're all cut from the same cloth, and that cloth is very, very large.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		It's not too big, is it?
unidentified		Hey.
		Hey.
		I'll see you next time.
		It's wrong, isn't it?
		It feels so right.
		It's a deal.
		I put together some real, impressive deals.
		I like that.
		Go big or go home.
		Donald Trump.
		You know, you're really beautiful.
		A woman that looks like that has to have a little special set.
		It's the Donald.
		Oh, my God.
		Hey, Donald.
		Oh, you look great.
		Come on.
		Thank you very much.
		I'm Donald.
		It's a special.
		Listen, are you begging here?
		Are you?
		You do.
		You speak to fact.
		I'm going to show you.
		Look at this right here on the street.
		It's Donald Trump.
		Are you all right?
		Everything's separate tonight, Mr. Trump.
		I wonder what Trump's game is this time.
		Trump's got a new day.
		Trump's got a new deal.
		What's your game, though?
		Heard about Trump's new deal?
		What?
		Trump has a new game.
		What is it?
		My new game is Trump.
		The game.
		Trump.
		The game.
		This sounds like political presidential.
		You said, though, that if you did run for president, you believe you'd win.
		I like that.
		I would say that I would have a hell of a chance of winning.
		Maybe they went to lose.
		I've never gone into losing my life.
		I don't know how your audience was, but I think people are tired of seeing the United States ripped off.
		That's the guy in the fight, right?
		Mm-hmm.
		That's me.
		Thank you.
		I believe that.
		Okay, kids, make it fast.
		I've got a plane.
		He created a magazine.
		Mr. Trump, you can do it.
		Scamgy.
		Oh, my God.
		Excuse me.
		Of course they're lucky.
		Down the ball.
		Your mail modeling would be what it is today.
		They, they.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		see America merely as a vessel.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, only, only a class of people so rootless in their condition would view America in such a way as merely a vessel for abstractions, right?
unidentified		We're going to smash your brain and win the Bible, idiot.
		And I'm addicted to the serotonin rush.
		Where's enough enough, baby?
		Where's enough enough, man?
		Shit.
		Just need a big mac of stupid, bitch.
		Strangers, you can move a country.
		You're not allowed to make jokes anymore.
		You're not allowed to make jokes anymore.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You're not allowed to make jokes.
unidentified		You're not allowed to make jokes.
unidentified		It's not funny.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Sipping wine.
unidentified		Having some, uh, some hot stuff and some pizza.
		Oh.
		I'm weird.
		I'm normal.
		I'm, I'm, well, I'm not normal.
		I'm, I'm not normal.
		I'm a tasting.
		I'm working.
		I'm original.
		I'm original.
		All right, I'm an original.
		I'm just.
		One person raised his voice.
		The teacher couldn't believe it.
		The classroom couldn't believe it either.
		But in the end, he had logic on his side.
		And at the end of the day, he proved his point.
		Feel like De Niro on Casino.
		Well, they got the sun and for the snow.
		No sun and when you're growing on a place.
		What'd you take?
		Me and the girls, she's growing on a place.
		Put the game, dirty game, what a...
		Feel like De Niro on Casino.
		Well, they got the sun and for the snow.
		And I'm a dick, De Niro on Casino.
		Right.
		Feel like De Niro on Casino.
		Well, they got the sun and for the snow.
		Feel like De Niro on Casino.
		This is a Christian nation.
		This is a miracle.
		I fear and love God.
		When you remove the fear and love of God, you create the fear and love of everything else.
		You talking to somebody right now that only fears God and Jesus has won the victory.
		Bro.
		Life like this is what you like.
		Like try to live a life right.
		Who really know you and your friends like.
		This is like a movie called The Shitty Fair.
		Like every single night.
		Every single fight.
		Right.
		I was looking at the camera and I don't need to fight.
		Like I was screaming at my daddy.
		Don't be in Christ.
		Like I was screaming at the camera.
		We just might.
		I was looking for a fight.
		Like a single what your life like.
		Riding on a white fight.
		Spilling like a tight bike.
		Wresting on the gas.
		Doing over for the night.
		Like dreaming at my dad.
		And he told me it ain't Christ-like.
		But nobody never tell you when you're being like Christ.
		Only ever seeing me.
		Only when they're eating me.
		Like a Tyler Perry.
		Pain a boom beat.
		Churching for a deer.
		Now you want to see it free.
		Now you want to see it free.
	Like to see it free of peace.
	Tell me what your life like.
	Turn it down to Christ-like.
	I was driving with my dad.
	And he told me it ain't Christ-like.
	I'm just trying to find a life.
	I'm just trying to find a life.
	I'm looking for a new way.
	I'm just really trying not to reach through the pool way.
	I don't have a pool with me.
	Heating on my Pesto.
	If I could hold a texto.
	Nothing to tell texto.
	Got another word better picture or a test smoke.
	Wrestling with God.
	I don't really want to die.
	I don't really want to rest.
	So Spanish was a life fight.
	Everything in my life.
	Talking with my dad.
	And he said it ain't Christ-like.
	America first is inevitable.
	It's unstoppable.
	And the reason why is because it's not cool to shill for big business.
	It's not cool to shill for Israel.
	It's not.
	This is a Christian nation.
	This is America.
	I fear and love God.
	When you remove the fear and love of God, you create the fear and love of everything else.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to propose a toast to the Voipers, to White Boy Summer, White Boy Century, to the reaction and the reclamation.
		Of the United States.
		Cheers everybody.
unidentified		Cheers everybody.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's gonna happen.
		It's gonna happen.
		They kick me off the plane, you know what that means?
		White boy summer road trip.
		They give us lemons, we make lemonade.
		They throw me behind bars, and I start throwing baseball up against the wall, and now I'm playing catch, because you know what?
		The only time that they win is when they triumph over our spirit, but they never can.
unidentified		They never take that away from us.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because I believe in God.
		And I believe in America.
		And I believe in what I'm doing.
		We are still enjoying.
		White Boy Summer is still on.
unidentified		I don't care if I have to drive there.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't care if I have to get in Lake Michigan and go all the way around.
unidentified		Nothing is going to stop white boy summer.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Nothing is going to stop America first.
unidentified		America first, bitch.
		There's always a way.
		In Alaska.
		White people founded this country.
		This country wouldn't exist without white people.
		Wouldn't exist without white people.
		And white people are done being bullied.
		Done being bullied.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We're the keepers of the American tradition.
unidentified		And I think our ancestors smile on us right now.
		What we're doing.
		Cheers.
		In the days after the September attacks, there were countless rumors about strange coincidences surrounding the events.
		One report about a group of Middle Eastern men spotted the morning of September 11th parked just across the river from New York City has not gone away.
		Music And the Romans?
		Where are they now?
		You're looking at them asshole.
		Music you you you
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We paved the way with our corpses.
		Groypers and all the alt-riders that got banned, all the alt-riders that got slandered, even people that killed themselves.
		Our courses paved the way for you now to walk over.
		And you can't give us acknowledgement?
		Now you want to slam the door on us?
		It's not right.
unidentified		It's not right.
unidentified		Yeah, look, I'm a real human.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		At the end of the day, I don't come on the show with all these calculated talking points or anything.
unidentified		This show has always been me just, you know, I'm just talking.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm just getting on the air.
		You know what I'm about.
		You know my story.
unidentified		I'm just real.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm just real.
unidentified		I just laid all on the field there.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a real human.
		We're bringing humanity back.
		We're making humanity cool again.
		If you want the aloof corporate robot people, go somewhere else.
		This is the human stream.
		This is the human being stream!
		Good evening, everybody.
		You're watching Human Beings First.
		I'm a human being.
		We've got a great show for you tonight.
		Our feature story is about how humanity is back.
		Humanity is back.
		And the real human beings are back.
unidentified		And we've got a lot to talk about, lots to get into.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Follow my telegram channel at realhumanbeing.org, realhuman.com.
		Give me your email, which should be human at human.com.
		I'm being silly, but it's true.
unidentified		It's true.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Some people get it, some people don't.
		It's the human against the haters.
		A lot of haters, a lot of bitterness, a lot of resentment.
unidentified		And, you know, there's...
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The human beings have to rise up.
		You know, against all the hate, against all odds, against all the snipes and the jabs and the feds and the journalists and the doubters and the traitors and the deceivers.
		The human beings got to rise up!
		And we got to do what must be done no matter what.
		With the power of God, with the will of God guiding us.
		God paving a path.
unidentified		We've got to rise up with our God-given strength.
		And we've got to be human again.
		We've got to be really and truly and extremely human.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And we're looking at being human very strongly.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's called being human, and we're looking at it very strongly.
unidentified		Nobody's a bigger human being than me.
		And it's so true, and I say it all the time.
		And it's truly special.
		It's going to be something truly special.
		Thank you.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I'm not supposed to be here tonight.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I'm supposed to be here.
unidentified		I want this earth on my soul.
		I'm doing drugs and I have.
		My voice is nothing but I scream and I'm fired.
		I stretch my hair but my coat just goes up.
		Lawrence, I found something really interesting.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		In 2016, Donald Trump vowed that the United States would buy and, more importantly, hire American.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But in June of 2024, during the All In podcast hosted by his donor, David Sachs, he committed that he would not only expand work visas, but he would staple green cards to them.
unidentified		I cannot support this.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I will not encourage my followers to turn out in November to vote for this or campaign for this.
		It is not an unreasonable demand to say that we will not vote for a candidate that promises to import more legal immigrants.
		And it is not unreasonable because for the first time in 20 years, it is the majority opinion that there are too many legal immigrants coming into the country.
		Ask yourself this.
		If not Donald Trump, if not now, then when?
		So they may say mass deportations.
		They may say illegal immigration.
		It's not enough.
		It's not enough.
		And Americans need to get used to saying that.
		Native Americans never get what they ask for because they're always telling themselves and negotiating with themselves.
		Telling us it's good enough.
		We need to hear the words, immigration moratorium.
		No more immigrants.
		No more.
		Not since he announced his reelection campaign in November 2022 have I told anybody to vote for Trump.
		When pushed for details on the policy, clearly they are reprimanded.
		For that reason, I actually don't believe that illegal immigration will fall to historic lows.
		And this is your America First policy.
		We need the people.
		We need limitless green cards.
		And by the way, once they come in, you can't deport them.
		So people, when confronted with this reality, first they said it was a throwaway remark.
		They said he didn't really mean it.
		Well, he's doubled down on it many times.
		He doubled down on it in June, August, last week.
		Now they say, well, so what?
		Even if he means it, he said it last time.
		No, he didn't.
		Last time he was against H-1B visas.
		Like, you thought you were going to tap the screen?
		To pressure Trump, except one problem, Elon owns the platform.
		But now the check marks are being removed, which means people are being de-amplified, and it's being manipulated.
		They're manipulating the conversation.
		And Elon retweeted today, or reposted, Trump saying in June, staple the green cards to the diplomas.
		And that's a reminder, hey, this is what we got.
		This is the deal.
		I put in 277.
		I bought the platform for you.
		I've made Trump win.
		And now Trump's going to deliver.
		And if you're against it, well, there goes your checkmark.
		If you voted for him, you are a sucker.
		I expect apologies.
		I want apology forms.
		I'm sorry, Mr. Puentes.
unidentified		I should have supported Grape of War 2. Grape of War 2. I'm raising this.
		I'm back up, I'm back up On them, on them diamonds, 30 city diamonds Girl, you see this jet, you know I'm different climbers Yeah, I got this damn, thought it kind of trying Wish it in their family, wish it in their memories, yeah Hold it up, where you at the club?
		Hold it up, where you had that gun?
		On them, yeah, pull up by side, yeah, pull up on them Now I got this bag with hats on them I'm straight out of these diamonds, I'm straight out of these lights Yeah, yeah, how you gon'save these bills?
		How you gon'save these lights?
		Yeah, turn up at my show, at least just do it right Yeah, yeah, we go out all night You gon'save me big, gon'save me big, gon'serve up all night You gon'save my drink, you gon'save my cup, you gon'save me all right They had the feeling that they had the problems They making each
		other, the blacks, I'm tweaking We had the bills, they put my side, you out of your mind, you crazy tweaking That's what I'm out of my lane, bad in my mind, I'm really right out of my thinking Know that you lovin'this light, you lovin'this world We runnin'it back every weekend You ain't in love with me every time I know You're a split All y'all drunk inside this
		light, that world Y'all get to run the bag up every weekend Now you see I'm gone off on the tape, man You say that I'm bad, so I'm lazy I wanna be a dictator And you know why I want to be a dictator?
		Cause I want a wall Right?
		I want a wall And I wanna drill, drill, drill Power!
		My love has got no money, he's got his strong beliefs My love has got no power, he's got his strong beliefs My love has got no
		fame, he's got his strong beliefs My love has got no money, he's got his strong beliefs One more and more People just want more and more Freedom and love What he's looking for One more and more People just want more and more Freedom and love What he's looking for Feed from desire My insenses purify Feed from desire My insenses
		purify Feed from desire My insenses purify Feed from desire Na na na na na na na na There is something involved where we have to forgive them.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We do have to forgive them for their ignorance.
		We do have to forgive them for their misunderstanding.
		And we have to embrace them and say Better late than never.
		Welcome to the right side of history.
		Welcome to our massive vision, our massive and ambitious vision for how we want the world to be.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Warming on everybody who dared to love Oh
		All right.
		Thank you.
		And people don't realize what they have.
		And then nowadays, I am so upset that the things we did and the things we fought for and the boys that died for it, it's all gone down the drain.
		Our country's gone to hell in a handbasket.
		We haven't got the country we had when I was raised.
		Not at all.
		Nobody will have the fun I have.
		Nobody will have the opportunity I have.
		It's just not the same.
		Jesus is the way and the life and the King of Israel.
		We just leave with love.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We're really at a crossroads here.
		Look around you.
		It's drag queens in schools.
		It's 18-year-olds joining OnlyFans.
		It's the filth on TikTok.
		It's this country not having a border.
		It's the idea that our kids and we, this generation, are never going to own anything.
		Think about it.
		Never making an income to support a family.
		Never being able to have a family.
		People being corrupted before they're even a teenager by things on their phone.
		Sick addiction to technology.
		The future is so bleak.
unidentified		God is using me.
		He's breaking me down.
		Removing all of the, you know, richest person, all of this, so I can serve him.
		I think they've been extremely unfair to you.
		Who is they, though?
		We can't tell you who they is, can we?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		There is no future if we do nothing now.
		There is nothing to lose.
		People that are scrambling, trying to protect their ever-shrinking share of what they have are foolish.
		It's all going.
		It's all going away.
		This country is being ripped apart and raped and looted.
		We're being slowly poisoned and, in some cases, quickly murdered and assassinated.
		And we're killing ourselves every day, inadvertently, with the kinds of things that we eat and breathe and drink and see.
		People have got to start to radically begin to obey their conscience and tell the truth and do the right thing.
		People have got to start to get courageous.
		And this is the time for everybody to turn and look to God and to pray and to ask for strength and to ask for wisdom to get through this time and to transform and sanctify this country.
		And the alternative is that there will be no country.
		Is it really only as big as low gas prices?
		Is it really only so big as bringing inflation and gas prices and the corporate tax rate back down?
		It's not about waiting for someone to come in and change the policy and make it better.
		It's a personal decision that we all have to make to become soldiers of Christ.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
michelle malkin ▲ ● ▼		My own narrative is not one of some sudden looming bolt of lightning out of the blue.
		It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.
		And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.
unidentified		Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?
michelle malkin ▲ ● ▼		I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Gripen Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty and of course defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We paved the way with our corpses.
		Groypers and all the alt-riders that got banned, all the alt-riders that got slandered, even people that killed themselves.
		Our corpses paved the way for you now to walk over.
		And you can't give us acknowledgement.
		Now you want to slam the door on us.
unidentified		It's not right.
		In the days after the September attacks, there were countless rumors about strange coincidences surrounding the events.
		One report about a group of Middle Eastern men spotted the morning of September 11th parked just across the river from New York City has not gone away.
		Music The Romans?
		Whoever they know.
		You're looking at them asshole.
		Music
		It couldn't be more clear cut.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The way things are going...
		It's over.
		Forget about it.
		Everything good is over.
		Everything good about our society is over.
		When you drive into a nice, rich suburb and breathe it in, because it's done.
		It's gone.
		Go to a nice suburb where the lawns are nicely kept, where the mailman walks around and delivers the mail, where people are walking their dogs and little kids are Ice skating in the park.
		And people are driving around.
		And they're driving clean cars.
		and the houses are maintained and kept up and you go down to the bakery and you get a...
		we can't even get into the transportation.
		Maybe somewhere you go to a train station and people politely wait for people to leave before they enter.
		You go to an elevator and people wait for the people leaving the elevator before they get in.
		Things work.
		You go to the grocery store.
		There's food.
unidentified		You walk around.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The air is clean.
unidentified		The water's clean.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Things are running on time.
		Things are reliable.
		Breathe it all in and appreciate it while it lasts because it's all going out.
		This country is going to be mostly non-white by the end of this century.
		That's going to be in the lifetimes of our grandchildren.
		I'm a young guy.
		That's going to be, if I have kids, a generation of my grandchildren.
		They're going to be living in South Africa.
		Graffiti, violence, litter, weeds everywhere, dust and dirt and filth.
		And open sewage.
		And the water's poisonous and the air is poisonous.
		And the government's unstable.
		And the entertainment is slop and trash.
		And everything is just going to suck.
		Okay?
		We're fighting for our lives here.
		We're fighting for our civilization.
		The question is, is it worth it?
		And a lot of people, you know, they sort of understand where things are headed.
		It's good enough now.
		And many people are just trying to enjoy the last hurrah before it's all over.
		People are living lives of hedonism, taking advantage while they can.
		Or they're living more responsible lives, but similarly, just trying to soak it in while they still can.
		And ignoring, living in a sort of self-imposed naivete or delusion about what's going on just outside the city gates, outside of the gated community, on the other side of the tracks, downtown, wherever.
		Can't do it forever.
		Can't run forever.
		The question is, is our civilization worth it?
		Is it worth it to have a civilization like this on Earth?
		There is something involved where we have to forgive them.
		We do have to forgive them for their ignorance.
		We do have to forgive them for their misunderstanding.
		And we have to embrace them and say, better late than never.
		Welcome to the right side of history.
		Welcome to our massive vision.
		our massive and ambitious vision for how we want the world to be.
unidentified		Thank you.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Saying to me is like this is probably pretty cool for you.
unidentified		I'm like yeah Because
		we, the living, refuse to forget them!
		And as we ride to certain death, we trust our successors to do the same for us!
		Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world!
		My soldiers push forward!
		My soldiers scream out!
		My soldiers rage!
		You can't go back to the past.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's what people always say, isn't it?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They say, "Can we really go back?" And the answer is, whether you're conservative or liberal, We're never going back.
unidentified		It's gone.
		It's gone.
		All of that is gone.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But I would call myself something like a Christian futurist instead.
		Because Jesus Christ was our past before any of us were born or conceived.
		Jesus Christ is our present now.
		And Jesus Christ is our future after we die.
unidentified		on Earth.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We want this century to be the most Christian century in the history of planet Earth.
unidentified		We love everybody.
		And we want people to convert really more than anybody.
		But this country can no longer be held hostage by a small minority that doesn't look good in the real world.
		The mission of our movement is to make this country a Christian country.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The mission is to create a Christian future in our time.
		The only way we're going to do it is not by infiltrating, not by subverting, not by lying, which is what a lot of people do.
		The only way that we're going to make this happen is with the boldness of a real Christian.
unidentified		It's the only way.
		We have got to be willing to die for Jesus Christ.
		We have to want it more than they do.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because if there are thousands and millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions of Christians ready to meet their final destiny, then nothing can stop us.
unidentified		I'm dropping you.
		of th on
		on on on on on on on on on on On 'em, uh, now I got this bag, my hat, shit.
		On'em, uh.
		I'm straight out of these diamonds, I'm straight out of these lights.
		Yeah, yeah, how you gon'save these bills?
		How you gon'save these lights?
		Yeah, turn about my show, actually just do it right.
		Yeah, yeah, we go all night.
		You gon'save me big, gon'save me big, gon'serve the all night.
		You gon'save my dream, you gon'save my cup, you gon'save me all right.
		They had a ability to be out of front of the bank, and they tell me the blocks I'm tweakin'.
		We got the bills, we put my side, you outta your mind, you crazy tweakin'.
		We got the middle of my lane, bad in my mind, and really, but out of my bankin'.
		Know that you lovin'these lights, you lovin'this world, we runnin'and beggin'.
		We can see it.
		Love with me every time I know what you believe.
		All y'all drunk inside this life, that world.
		Y'all get to run the bed up every weekend.
		Let me see I'm gone off on the table.
		You say that I'm bad for no reason.
		Bitch, I'm big up.
		On'em, on'em, on'em, on'em, on'em.
		Tell me that, how the teddy on my chest, name me, take me, I'm going to slide those in the VIP We got one of them, I got the butterflies I cut them over, not these legs, they ain't a fucking lie We should know this kid ain't saying, you can't fucking die I said, put them in the belly, I'm so I got you I'm a fire, I'm all inside the belly, I'm so I got you We got no pain, I got no pain, you can't even fight with a tie We got no
		pain, you can't even fight with a tie It's a hater, they fucking with the wrong one America first is inevitable, it's unstoppable And the reason why is because it's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's
		not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's bad It's bad It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's
		not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to share a big business It's not cool to
		share a big business This is a Christian nation This is a miracle This is a Christian nation This is a
		Christian nation I love
		you.
		I love you.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, bro.
unidentified		Come on, man.
		This is a free man talking.
		This is a free man talking.
		This is a free man talking.
		This is a free man talking.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Years from now, some of them may look back and ask themselves whether they've made the right choice, whether they've made the most of the opportunities they've been given.
		Together, we have the same mission.
		Over the course of your life, you will find that things are not always fair.
		You will find that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that are not always warranted.
		But you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight.
unidentified		Never, ever, ever give up.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Don't give in.
		Don't back down.
		And never stop doing what you know is right.
		Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy.
		And the more righteous you fight, the more opposition that you will face.
		In your hearts.
		Are inscribed the values of service, sacrifice, and devotion.
		Now you must go forth into the world and turn your hopes and dreams into action.
		America has always been the land of dreams because America is a nation of true believers.
		When the pilgrims landed at Plymouth, they prayed.
		When the founders wrote the Declaration of Independence, They invoked our Creator four times.
		Because in America, we don't worship government.
		We worship God.
		It is why our currency proudly declares, "In God we trust." And it's why we proudly proclaim that we are one nation under God.
		The story of America is the story of an adventure that began with deep faith, big dreams, And humble beginnings.
		The next generation of American leaders, never, ever give up.
		There'll be times in your life you'll want to quit.
		Never quit.
		Never stop fighting for what you believe in and for the people who care about you.
		Carry yourself with dignity and pride.
		Demand the best from yourself.
		The more people tell you it's not possible, that it can't be done, the more you should be absolutely determined to prove them wrong.
		Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.
		Relish the opportunity to be an outsider.
		The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, The more certain you should be that you must keep pushing ahead.
unidentified		You must keep pushing forward.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		And always have the courage to be yourself.
		America is better when people put their faith into action.
		Pray to God and follow His teachings.
		Today, each of you begins a new chapter as well.
		When your story goes from here, it will be defined by your vision, your perseverance, and your grit.
		You will build a future where we have the courage to chase our dreams no matter what the cynics and the doubters have to say.
		You will have the confidence to speak the hopes in your hearts.
		And to express the love that stirs your souls.
		As long as you have pride in your beliefs, courage in your convictions, and faith in God, then you will not fail.
		As long as America remains true to its values, loyal to its citizens, and devoted to its creator, then our best days are yet to come.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		May God bless the United States of America.
		And I just want to let you know that God blesses you.
		And I want to just say, you are special in every way.
		God bless you, and God bless America.
		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you so much, everybody.
		Can I just say, are you trusting Brian?
		Yes.
		Thank you.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Just keep pushing ahead.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		Because it's the outsiders who change the world and who make a real and lasting difference.
		Nothing worth doing ever came easy.
		Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.
		The future belongs to the people who follow their heart no matter what the critics say.
		We must always remember that we share one home and one Glorious destiny.
		We all bleed the same red blood of patriots.
		We all salute the same great American flag.
unidentified		Our best days are yet to come.
		Are you an instant?
		Are you an instant?
		I wish that you could get my patient.
michelle malkin ▲ ● ▼		My narrative is not one of some sudden, booming bolt of lightning out of the blue.
		It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.
		And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.
unidentified		Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?
michelle malkin ▲ ● ▼		I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Greupel Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty and, of course, defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who, through an increasing amount of activism, are really going to ensure the future and the success of that movement.
unidentified		Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Donald Trump, were all cut from the same cloth, and that cloth is very, very large.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		It's not too big, is it?
unidentified		Hey.
unidentified		Hey.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		It's wrong, isn't it?
unidentified		I think it feels so right.
		It's a deal.
		I put together some real aggressive deals.
		I like that.
		Go gig or go home.
		Donald Trump.
		You know, you're really beautiful.
		The woman who looks like that has to have a little special scent.
		It's the diamond.
		Oh, my God.
		Hey, Donald.
		Oh, you look great.
		Oh, thank you very much.
		I'm Donald.
		It's a special.
		Listen, are you begging him?
		Are you?
		No.
		You speak to fact.
		I'm going to show you.
		Look at this right here on the street.
		It's Donald Trump.
		Are you wrong?
		Everything's set for tonight, Mr. Trump.
		I wonder what Trump's game is this time.
		Trump's got a new day.
		Trump's got a new deal.
		What's your game, though?
		Heard about Trump's new deal?
		What?
		Trump has a new game.
		What is it?
		My new game is Trump.
		The game.
		Trump's new.
		The game.
		This sounds like political presidential.
		You said, though, that if you did run for president, you believe you'd win.
		I like that.
		I would say that I would have a hell of a chance of winning.
		I knew that I went to lose.
		I've never gone into losing my life.
		I don't know how your audience knows, but I think people are tired of seeing the United States ripped off.
		That's the guy on the floor, right?
		Mm-hmm.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		I wouldn't help you.
		Okay, kids, make it fast.
		I've got a plane to do it.
		Can you create a magazine?
		Mr. Trump, I think he's doing it.
		Scary.
		Scary.
		so
		excuse me your male modeling would be what it is today
		you gotta be with some money on this
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		you know they they see america merely as a vessel i mean only only a class of people so rootless
unidentified		you america in such a way is merely a vessel for abstractions right we're gonna smash your brain and read the bible idiot and i'm addicted to the serotonin rush where's enough enough baby where's enough enough man i see just eat a big mac
		you stupid you you you you you you you you you you you you you
		you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you
		you you you you you you you you you you I feel like the nigga
		on Casino, where they got the son in for the casino.
		And I'm addicted to Sarah Taylor Rush.
		I feel like the nigga on Casino, where they got the son in for the casino.
		I feel like the nigga on Casino.
		I feel like the nigga on Casino.
		It's not cool to shill for Israel.
		It's not.
		This is a Christian nation.
		This is America.
		I fear and love God.
		When you remove the fear and love of God, you create the fear and love of everything else.
		You talking to somebody right now that only fears God and Jesus has won the victory.
		Bro.
		I feel like this is what you like.
		I try to live life right.
		I don't really know you.
		I like life right.
		This is like a movie.
		I like life.
		Every single night.
		I like life.
		I was looking at.
		I don't need.
		I like life.
		I was screaming.
		I don't be in Christ.
		Like I was screaming.
		Just like my wife, right?
		Like what you like?
		Like riding on a white bike, feeling like a tight bike, pressing on the gas, feeling over for the night, like dreaming at my dad and he told me it ain't Christ-like.
		But nobody never tell you who you're being like Christ.
		Only if I see it in you, always when they keep me, like a Tyler Perry made a movie, you're in deep, searching for a deed.
		Now you want to see it free, now you want to see it free, like to see it free of peace.
		Tell me what your life like, turn it down to Christ-like.
		Just driving with my dad and he told me it ain't Christ-like.
		I'm just trying to find out if I look for a new way.
		I'm just really trying not to rig through the poolway.
		I don't have a pool to eat.
		I'm eating on my pesto, if I could hold a texto, doesn't tell texto.
		I'm just another word, better picture or a test smoke.
		Wrestling with God, I don't really want to wrestle.
		Manage with a life like, everything in my life.
		Talking with my dad and he said it ain't Christ-like.
		America first is inevitable, everything unstoppable.
		You know what I'm saying?
		And the reason why is because it's not cool to shill for big business.
		It's not cool to shill for Israel.
		It's not.
		This is a Christian nation.
		This is America.
		America.
		I fear and love God.
		When you remove the fear and love of God, you create the fear and love of everything else.
		I like to propose a toast.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		you Cheers everybody.
unidentified		Cheers.
		you you It's gonna happen.
		It's gonna happen.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They kick me off the plane, you know what that means?
		White boy summer road trip.
		They give us lemons, we make lemonade.
		They throw me behind bars, and I start throwing baseball up again.
		The only time that they win is when they triumph over our spirit, but they never can.
unidentified		They never take that away from us.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because I believe in God.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And I believe in America.
unidentified		And I believe in what I'm doing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We are still enjoying.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		White Boy Summer is still on.
unidentified		I don't care if I have to drive there.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't care if I have to get in Lake Michigan and go all the way around the Panama Canal.
unidentified		Nothing is going to stop White Boy Summer.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Nothing is going to stop America first.
unidentified		America first, bitch.
		There's always a way.
		In Alaska, white people found in this country.
		This country wouldn't exist without white people.
		Wouldn't exist without white people.
		And white people are done being bullied.
		Done being bullied.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We're the keepers of the American tradition.
unidentified		And I think our ancestors smile on us right now for what we're doing.
		Cheers.
		In the days after the September attacks, there were countless rumors about strange coincidences surrounding the events.
		One report about a group of Middle Eastern men spotted the morning of September 11th parked just across the river from New York City has not gone away.
		music And the Romans?
		Where are they now?
		You're looking at them asshole.
		music you you you
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We paved the way with our corpses.
		Ruypers, and all the alt-riders that got banned, all the alt-riders that got slandered, even people that killed themselves.
		Our courses paved the way for you now to walk over.
		And you can't give us acknowledgement?
		Now you want to slam the door on us?
		It's not right.
		It's not right Getting on the air, you know what I'm about, you know, you know my story Real real I just laid all on the field there I I'm a real human.
		We're bringing humanity back.
		We're making humanity cool again.
		If you want the aloof corporate robot people, go somewhere else.
		This is the human stream.
		This is the human being stream!
		Good evening everybody.
		You're watching Human Beings First.
		I'm a human being.
		We've got a great show for you tonight.
		Our feature story is about how humanity is back.
		Humanity is back.
		And the real human beings are back.
unidentified		And we've got a lot to talk about, lots to get into.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Follow my telegram channel at realhumanbeing.org, realhuman.com.
		Give me your email, which should be human at human.com.
		I'm being silly, but it's true.
unidentified		It's true.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Some people get it, some people don't.
		It's the human against the haters.
		A lot of haters, a lot of bitterness, a lot of resentment.
		And we've just got to rise up above against that.
		The human beings have to rise up.
		You know, against all the hate, against all odds, against all the snipes, and the jabs, and the feds, and the journalists, and the doubters, and the traitors, and the deceivers, the human beings got to rise up!
		And we got to do what must be done no matter what.
		With the power of God, with the will of God guiding us, God paving a path, we've got to rise up.
		With our God-given strength.
unidentified		And we've got to be human again.
unidentified		We've got to be really and truly and extremely human.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And we're looking at being human very strongly.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's called being human and we're looking at it very strongly.
unidentified		Nobody's a bigger human being than me.
unidentified		And it's so true and I say it all the time.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And it's truly special.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be something truly special.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.
		It's going to be only America first.
		America first.
		The American people will come first once again.
		With respect, the respect that we deserve.
		From this day forward, it's going to be only America first.
		America first.
		Thank you.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Alright, what's up, guys?
		It's me, Nick Fuentes, back with a commentary stream here on Rumble.
		It's actually been a minute since I've done one of these.
		I can't remember the last time I did a non-America First stream.
		But we're here today on Thursday.
		I was trying to get this stream started earlier, but I don't know, guys.
		It just takes me a long time to do stuff.
		We're here at 5 o'clock.
		It's pretty late in the evening, but...
		We're going to watch the Tucker Carlson Ted Cruz interview in its entirety.
		We're going to watch the whole thing, and I'll be doing a live reaction to it.
		I talked a little bit about it last night on the show, but not in great detail.
		We talked about the two viral clips that were going around when Tucker asked him the population of Iran and when they asked about AIPAC.
		But today we're going to watch the entire thing.
		I'll give my live reaction, and it's going to be a good time.
		So check in in the live chat.
		Say what's up if you're here.
		Do we have any e-celebs, any prominent groipers?
		I'll take a look.
		We'll see who we have here.
		I know I have a lot of new viewers lately, so welcome if you're just joining us in the past couple weeks for my coverage of the Iran war.
		Welcome to the channel.
		Welcome to the movement.
		Welcome to the movement, brother.
		The white power movement in America, neo-Nazi, Ku Klux Klan movement.
		That's a joke, obviously.
		Now, this is the America First movement, but what's up?
		Let's see who we have in the live chat.
		We got John DeVerva.
		There he is.
		Nuka Troopa.
		That's an old head.
		Sewer lizard.
		Elliot Rodger.
		Elliot Rodger, 91. Elliot Rodger here.
		Man, remember Elliot Rodger?
		I feel like a lot of these new gens, these new heads, don't know who Elliot Rodger is.
		Punished Zoomer, Top Groyper, Groypenstein, Trump Cell, what's up?
		Porsche Groyper, Kebab Remover.
		Kebab Remover, brother.
		Remove Kebab.
		Remember Remove Kebab?
		Removing intensifies.
unidentified		All right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're going to jump in here.
		Am I headphones on?
		Let me test real quick.
unidentified		Okay, they are.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Alright, well first, before we hang on, coffee.
		A little coffee check.
		It's a little hot still.
unidentified		Made myself a little cup of joe.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		A little cup of mud.
		Let me get my Spotify on as well.
		I'll get my playlist.
		You know what's funny about boomers is they call all of their streaming library their playlist.
		You know what I'm talking about?
		My mom says, oh, it's on my playlist.
		It's like, do you mean on your streaming library?
		It's in your liked songs?
unidentified		She says, that's on my playlist.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I gotta log in.
		Hang on.
		Let me log into my Spotify.
		Just jokes.
		If she's watching this, just jokes.
		I'm just kidding.
		I'm kidding.
		She says, oh, I think that's on my playlist.
		That's funny.
		It's endearing.
		We love boomers.
		Alright, here we go.
		But this is my playlist from last year.
		We're going to put it on.
		We've got a little background music.
		Then we'll get started here.
		I'll make sure these audio levels are good here.
unidentified		I've got to turn it up a little bit.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to get started, and like I said first, I have to respond to this.
unidentified		Have you guys seen this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So I guess Cookie King from TikTok has been talking trash about me, but he got a little taste of the Groyper curse.
		I don't know if you've seen the latest on this, but this was the clip from last night.
		I played it during the stream.
		I got called out by Cookie King.
		And for those that don't know, you know, I used to like Cookie King.
		I used to be a fan.
		He used to be my hero, actually.
		I watch his streams.
		I've been following Cookie King on TikTok ever since he was doing those POV videos where he's got the controller and he's, like, talking to his friends in voice chat on Discord.
		I'm a Cookie King old head.
		I've been a fan.
		And I was a fan until he attacked me this week.
		And somebody sent me the clip last night.
		We can watch it together.
		This is what he had to say about me.
unidentified		Hang on, can you hear this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Let me turn off the music so you can hear the video.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Because the audio is quiet.
unidentified		The thing is, anyone who's really political is located just right.
		Dude, political things are just right.
		Right wing, left wing, you're both just right.
		It's like stressful to be political, right?
		It's too much stress.
		Bro, I don't do that.
		Dude, I don't like cortisol.
		Don't stress.
		Just don't stress.
		They're all jesters.
		Dean Wither.
		I think that was kind of cool, but he's a jester.
		Dean Wither's a jester.
		Nick Plante's a jester.
		They're both gestures for being super political.
		They're both really short like five seven Like you get tiny the thing is really political is Jester.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The politics is jester.
		I'm jester.
		I'm not 5 '7", by the way.
		I'm not giga short.
		I'm not giga small.
		I'm 5 '9", okay?
		Politics is jester.
		With your chopped, your fucking chopped haircut is jester, buddy.
		Anyway, I already crashed out on him.
		And this was my response.
		This was last night.
unidentified		Wow.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And what are you, super fucking fat?
		What are you, super fat?
		That makes you better?
		Fuck you.
		Cookie King?
		Hey, Cookie King.
		Fuck you.
		I hate Cookie King.
		Cookie King is my fucking op.
		Next time you see Cookie King, say Nick Fuentes sends his regards.
		Fat piece of shit.
		Low PSL.
		Gets no bitches.
		Fuck you.
		That's true, by the way.
		Super political?
		What should we all be?
		Super fat and ugly and have a fucking chopped haircut and past our prime?
		That's also true, Cookie.
		I was a fan.
		Not anymore.
		It's over.
		The Nick Quintus-Cookie King collaboration, it's off.
		It is off.
		Okay.
		It is off.
		Now, Dylan is another story.
		Dylan's cool, though.
		Dylan, I have no problem with, but Cookie King, you just made a very powerful enemy.
		That's right.
		That's right.
unidentified		Groyper wore on Cookie King.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Fat little piece of shit.
		How dare you?
		With your fat, disgusting little body.
		How dare you?
		Yeah.
		Giga small.
		We're jesters.
		Giga fat.
		How about that?
		With your chopped haircut, with your chopped fat little body.
		How dare you?
		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		Groyper war on Cookie King.
		Cookie King?
		More like Cookie Bitch.
		Yeah, more like Giga Bitch.
		More like Cookie Beta.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		More like Cookie Shot.
		Yeah, that's right.
		Anyways, that was my response.
		That was my response.
		Hang on, why is this playing now?
		Now get this.
		So he replied.
		Cookie King actually replied.
		This is LA Cookie.
		He said Nick Fuentes hurts.
		Now watch this.
		Watch what happened next.
		Get a load of this.
		Get a load of that.
		Can we cue up the music?
		Can we cue up the music?
		And what about now?
unidentified		Huh?
unidentified		And what about now?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Look at this.
		That was literally, that was this morning.
		Now what?
		Hey, now what, Cookie?
		Hey, what's up?
		Hey, now what?
unidentified		Huh?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm Giga Small?
		I'm Jester for politics?
		Brother, you're fucking chopped.
unidentified		PSL 3. That's right.
unidentified		And now who's banned?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Now who's fucking banned?
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You messed with the wrong one.
unidentified		I'm not the one.
		I am not the one.
		Now who stands?
		Who stands on TikTok now?
		Huh?
		Huh?
		That's right.
		That's right.
		And now what?
		Huh?
		Now what?
		Now you're done.
		You're cooked.
		Cookie got cooked.
		Hey, wait.
		Hey, watch this.
		Hey, wait.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, watch this.
		Cookie got cooked.
		That's right.
unidentified		I'm not the one.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Do not fuck with me.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Do not call me jester.
unidentified		How about a jester?
unidentified		How about this, huh?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		How about cookie got cooked?
		Cookies cooked now.
		We're about to chop up some cookies.
		Cookie got banned.
		Who's the jester now?
		How about a little cortisol spike now?
		You know what spikes are cortisol?
		Getting banned on TikTok.
unidentified		I'm done with this.
		Like I don't know nobody Ooh, ooh, like I don't know nobody Like I don't know nobody Like I don't know nobody I'm I guess I don't Yeah
		So Cookie got banned on TikTok.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Cookie got banned on TikTok.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye.
unidentified		Yeah, bye.
unidentified		Goodbye.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye, chop.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Fucking chop head.
unidentified		That's right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Banned.
		See you later.
		Goodbye.
		Yeah.
unidentified		What's up?
unidentified		We're laughing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We laugh.
unidentified		Oh, I mean, oh no.
		I mean, no.
		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, so Cookie got banned.
		Let's see, but we have a little live reaction.
		He also reacted to the banning earlier today.
		We'll see what he has to say for himself.
unidentified		Yo, Cookie, what happened in your account, bro?
		Dude, I don't even, I don't know, man.
		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah, I wonder.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Look, you put that out in the universe.
		I don't know, buddy.
		It's called the Groyper curse.
		Maybe that did have something to do with it.
		A little bad karma.
unidentified		Brutal Nick Fuentes, Bill.
unidentified		You picked the wrong enemy, pal.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I think Dean Wizards is a jester, but I don't hate him.
		I think Dean Wizards is a jester.
		Dean Wizards.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Dean Wizards.
unidentified		Bro, no.
		I feel like we could be cool with him.
		Like, bro, we just don't like...
		Never stress.
		Yeah, it's just too much, bro.
		I really don't want to think about politics because they hurt.
		It's not against, like, the actual guy.
		Yeah, I know.
		Okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Alright, well.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, hey, if they're apologizing, if they're ready to hop off and stop relentlessly attacking me all the time, if they're ready to stop hunting me down and trying to get me killed, yeah, I guess me and Cookie King can be cool.
		You know, it's no stress.
		Hey, man, it's no stress, no cortisol.
		You know me, we're all out here hard looks maxing.
		I get it.
		I get it.
		Politics hurt.
		I get it.
		I'm with that, you know.
		But don't be calling me Jester.
		Don't be playing with me like that.
		Do not be playing with me like that.
		Calling me Giga Small?
		How about Giga Chopped?
		How about Giga your account just got banned?
		Your livelihood's over.
		Alright, are we back?
		Are we back?
		I think we're back.
		No, I'm just talking to myself.
		Yeah, looks like it.
		There we go.
		Okay, we're back.
		And we're back.
unidentified		Ugh.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		When did I cut off?
		Somebody in the live chat, remind me.
		Where were we when I cut off?
		My aura crashed the stream.
		Too much aura crashed the stream.
		All right, but we're back.
		Tell them in the live chat to refresh.
		People in the chat, Mossad.
		Yeah, Mossad took it down too much aura.
		Anyway, what was I saying before?
		I don't even know when I went down.
		What was I?
		Pause.
		What was I saying before the stream dropped?
		What was I saying?
unidentified		The smoke alarm chirp?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we didn't even finish the clip?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we'll finish the clip.
unidentified		What happened to your account, bro?
unidentified		Dude, I don't even, I don't know, man, but I don't know if Nick Flentes had something to do with it, bro.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Bro, brutal Nick Flentes, Bill.
unidentified		Bro.
		You picked the wrong enemy, pal.
		I didn't mean to.
		I was saying that, like, political content is gesture, bro.
		That's all I was saying.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, dude, no.
unidentified		I think Dean Wizards is gesture.
		Dean Wizards.
		Yeah, man.
		Bro, nah, nah, I feel like we could be cool with him.
		Like, bro, we just don't, like, politics are stressful, never stress.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Bro, stress, cortisol spike, bro.
unidentified		I'm literally drinking Asheville Donder right now.
		Because I'm getting stressed.
		Yeah.
		It's just too much, bro.
		I really don't want to think about politics because they hurt.
		They hurt, bro.
		It's not against, like, the actual guy.
		Yeah, I know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Please get me on Ben, bro.
unidentified		All right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right, all right.
		You know what?
		Look, maybe I was a little too harsh.
		You know, look, it just hurt me, okay?
		It hurts.
		Your crash out hurts.
		I was a fan.
		I was trying to be your friend.
		And you called me a jester.
		You called me giga small.
		You called me a cortisol spike.
		So, yeah, all right.
		We can be cool, Cookie.
		We can be cool.
		All right.
		I will reverse the Groyper curse.
		If you apologize, if you walk it back, the Groyper curse will be lifted.
		I can't help it.
		I'm too powerful.
		Think about it.
		He called me a jester and then immediately got banned.
		It happened just like that.
		Yesterday, he called me Jester.
		Today, account banned.
		I had nothing to do with that.
		I'm banned on TikTok.
		I'm banned on TikTok.
		I'm search banned.
		If you search my name, you can't even look me up.
		That's just a Groyper curse.
		That's just a Groyper curse when you mess with America First and the Groyper movement.
		So, if he wants to be friends, the curse will be lifted, and he will receive a Groyper blessing.
		He will receive the Groyper blessing, but he has to walk it back.
		You can't call me a jester, bro.
		We could be cool, but I'm not no jester.
		And it's not jester to talk about politics.
		What else are we going to talk about, huh?
		Looksmaxing?
		Looksmaxing is more cortisol than politics.
		At least politics isn't a black pill.
		Anyway.
		So that's Cookie.
		He's okay.
		He's alright.
		You know what?
		Groyper curse is lifted.
		If you see Cookie King, If you see him out in Quahog, you know, just say hi.
		If you see Cookie King, you don't have to say Nick Fuentes sends his regards.
		You could say Nick Fuentes sends a blessing.
		Next time you see Cookie King, say Nick Fuentes sends a blessing.
		Your way.
		Okay?
		So I'm calling it off.
		I'm calling off the Groyper War on Cookie King.
		He's put up the white flag.
		It's an unconditional surrender.
		Unconditional surrender and a complete victory.
		So we'll lift the curse.
		If you see him out in Quahog, say hi.
		Tell him Nick's went to sense a griper blessing and I think Was there something else I was going to react to?
		I forget.
		If not, we'll just move on.
		We'll proceed into the Tucker Carlson, Ted Cruz stream.
		Oh, here's Dinesh D'Souza.
unidentified		Dude.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Dinesh D'Souza also responded to me.
		He said, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Only he's funniest when he isn't trying to be.
		This guy said, you're too scared to debate.
		You'll just seethe in your cuck chair from afar.
		Hey, we like cucks now, okay?
		Let's not use that as a pejorative, alright?
		Cuck?
		What, the name of my favorite album?
		But no, it's true.
		Dinesh says, I'm perfectly willing to debate.
		I've debated the best people in the world.
		You think I'm scared to debate a wisecracking ignoramus?
		And then I replied, yeah, let's do it.
		Set it up.
		He says, I'm fine with this, notwithstanding all the yahoos on here who somehow think I'm trembling in fear.
		Hilarious!
		Well, let's do it.
		We're going to set it up.
		I will be debating Dinesh D'Souza.
		I'm going to hit him up right now.
		If his DMs are open.
		Let me get on my main, and I will...
		If his DMs are open, I'll do it.
		He DM'd me in 2024.
		Hey, let's set up this debate.
unidentified		Thank you.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Let's set up this debate, buddy.
		All right, so I DM'd him.
		The gauntlet has been thrown down.
		The challenge is out.
		Why is everyone attacking me?
		Cookie King, Dinesh D'Souza, Steven Crowder.
		Heavy lies the crown.
		It's lonely at the top.
		When you become number one, when you become the total alpha of the space, this is what happens.
		Everybody wants a piece.
		Piece after delicious piece.
		Everybody wants a taste.
		Pause.
		Everybody wants a slice.
		Alright, so that's Dinesh.
		That's Cookie King.
		You know what?
		What do you guys think?
		Do you think we should let up on Cookie?
		Do you think I should get him unbanned on TikTok?
		Should I lift the curse?
		Press one if we should accept his unconditional surrender.
		Press two if you think we should keep pushing.
		One for accept his unconditional surrender.
		Should we be cool with bro?
		Should we be cool with bro and collab?
		Or what do you think?
		Or do you think we should keep pushing and utterly destroy Cookie King and the cookie-verse?
		you I'm leaning towards we should just let it go.
		You know?
		Let's try love.
		Let's try forgiveness.
		Yeah, I'm thinking we'll let it go.
		We like Cookie.
		We want him to be back on Twitter.
		You know?
		And I take it back.
		His haircut is chopped, but calling him a fat piece of shit, maybe that was out of pocket.
		He did call me a jester, though.
		That was like Joker.
		That was my Joker moment, me watching that.
		I said it on my show last night.
		It's like, that's what you called me, a jester.
		You remember?
		That's how it feels.
		You know, you should be careful what you say.
		You never know who you're messing with.
		You should be careful.
		Next thing you know, you might incur a grope or curse.
		All right, but we're going to take a look at this Tucker, Ted Cruz interview.
		This is the big, this is what you guys all came for.
		This is what you've all been waiting for.
		Yesterday, of course, Tucker Carlson released his interview with Ted Cruz.
		And it wasn't even really an interview.
		It was basically an ambush.
		And I say that as somebody that doesn't really like Ted Cruz, and I don't agree with him.
		I actually agree more with Tucker on this one.
		Not 100%, but more.
		And even though I agree with what was said, and I think it was a phenomenal interview and really a game changer in the battle of ideas, at the same time, let's recognize this was a setup.
		It was a total and complete setup.
		Not really so much an interview.
		So we're going to watch it.
		We're going to watch it from the start.
		I'll admit I watched some of it.
	I haven't watched the entire thing.
	I watched about half of it, I think, yesterday, but I wasn't giving it my full attention.
	So we're going to be watching it with some fresh eyes a little bit here, and I'll give you my live response, and we'll break it down piece by piece.
	So here we go.
	This is Ted Cruz versus Tucker Carlson.
	Let me know how the audio is.
	I'll adjust it as we go along at the start so the audio levels are good.
	But here we go.
	And then, by the way, just so you know, I'll be doing a show later tonight.
	So I will be going live with the show probably around 9 or 10 o 'clock Central Time.
	So I'm still planning on doing a show, but I'm going to be doing this reaction stream also.
	Okay, here we go.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Senator, thank you very much for spending the time to have this conversation.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It's good to be with you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you've come out for regime change in Iran as distinct just from taking out the nuclear sites.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What does regime change look like in Iran?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Somebody else in charge.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How do you get there?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Look, that ultimately has to be a popular uprising for the people.
		And it's not a complicated question.
		Is America better off with a country that has a leader who hates us and wants to kill us, or to have a country with a leader who likes us and wants to be friends with us?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, definitely the latter is better.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		And so that's not a complicated statement.
		Look, I believe you look across the world when you have countries that have dictators that are viciously anti-America.
		Venezuela, Maduro hates us.
		Would we be better off with Maduro out of power?
		Absolutely.
		I want our enemies out of power and I want our friends in power.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I could not agree more.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The question is how do you get there?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We've been trying to kill Maduro.
		For quite some time.
		We have troops there.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that we've been trying to kill Maduro.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We have.
		And I think you know that.
		I don't know that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We're one minute in.
		See, this is what I'm talking about.
		And, you know, let's just be honest, okay?
		And let's also be nuanced, okay?
		Let's be sophisticated.
		Let's not be low IQ here.
		We can agree with what Tucker is saying.
		We can agree with what Tucker is doing.
		While also recognizing that this is not journalism.
		This is propaganda.
		Tucker is a propagandist.
		Okay?
		And you know that because when he has a guest on that he agrees with, it is endlessly deferential, tripping over himself to be obsequious and deferential and to agree with the guest.
		Even if the guest is stupid, even if the guest is saying something that doesn't make sense or about aliens or aliens or demons, no matter how ridiculous they could be talking about deep underground military bases, aliens, all this kind of stuff, Tucker will be endlessly agreeable.
		But here we are a minute in.
		Yeah, we have tried to kill Maduro, and I think you know that.
		Basically calling him a liar.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		To kill Maduro.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that we've been trying to kill Maduro.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We have.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We have.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And the reason I point this out is just to show that from the jump, this is a hostile, completely hostile demeanor.
		Right off the rip, this is a totally hostile interview.
		That's why I say it's an ambush.
		People say that's journalism.
		That's not journalism.
		That's just a completely hostile disposition.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that.
unidentified		Okay.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Well, we, as a statement, we have.
		So we do have massive sanctions.
		We try to pressure them out of office.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm a big believer that Tucker is most likely a CIA agent or CIA asset.
		So Tucker says, well, we do know that presumably American intelligence is trying to kill Maduro.
		And Ted Cruz says, well, I'm not so sure.
		And I, like Ted Cruz, as someone who is not involved in U.S. intelligence, yeah, I'm not actually aware of any U.S. effort to kill Maduro.
		I mean, we can speculate, and it's a safe assumption that we probably are.
		It's a safe inference.
		Trump, in his first term, pursued a maximum pressure campaign against Maduro and tried to overthrow Maduro, put in place crushing sanctions and secondary sanctions on oil.
		They tried to prop up this Juan Guaido character who was supposed to win the election.
		And so it's safe to assume that probably that was accompanied by some backdoor regime change assassination plot.
		That's not public, as far as I'm aware.
		That wasn't reported in the press.
		So, Tucker so confidently, yeah, we are, and I think you know that.
		It's like, okay, so how do you know that?
		Maybe it has to do with how Tucker meets with Javier Millet in Argentina, who's another big target of the CIA.
		Maybe it has to do with the fact that for the past year, Tucker was traveling Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, trying to avert a war with Iran, meeting with their heads of state.
		Maybe it has to do with all his other foreign trips, visiting all these other foreign leaders like Viktor Orban in Hungary and the Vox Party in Spain and many others, the president in El Salvador.
		So I find that to be, you know, that's yet again another tell.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That government, and it's still there.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Same, the country of your ancestors, Cuba.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, one other thing.
		For those that don't know, the CIA is all over South America.
		Always has been, always will be.
		And the big picture in South America, I know this is a bit of a digression, but it is relevant.
		The CIA and the DOD, the Defense Department, are all over South America because in the past 10 years, China has become the number one trading partner of virtually every country in South America and increasingly in Central America too.
		That wasn't the case in 2010.
		But here we are in the early 2020s, mid-2020s, and China has now replaced the United States as the number one trading partner of almost every country in Latin America.
		That's a big reason why Obama tried to pass the TTP and the TTIP and that constellation of free trade agreements, multilateral free trade agreements.
		It concerned not only the Pacific countries out in Asia, but also the countries aboard the Pacific Ocean in Latin America.
		And that was in anticipation of this trend.
		So the new doctrine from Southcom, from the CIA is we're trying to overthrow all these left-wing governments that are friendly with China and replace them with right-wing governments that are friendly with the United States, like in El Salvador, like in Peru, like in Argentina.
		And so, for example… And that interview was promoted all over Twitter.
		It got, I think, like a billion views or 500 million views.
		It got crazy engagement.
		And that helped get Javier Malay into office in Argentina.
		After that, Javier Malay was visited by the director of the CIA, William Burns.
		By the Southcom commander at the time, Laura Richardson, and by the Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, all in the span of a few months.
		And then in that time, Argentina pledged all of their lithium reserves to the United States.
		They joined up with our strategic partnership with Critical Minerals.
		They allowed the U.S. military to take control of the Parana River, which is one of the most important waterways in South America.
		And so I just think it's interesting.
		It's sort of like Tucker Carlson is sort of like Mothman.
		You know how people spot Mothman before a bridge collapses or there's some kind of mass casualty incident?
		It's like everywhere that the CIA director goes, Tucker Carlson is never far behind.
		Everywhere the CIA director goes, everywhere the Secretary of State goes, Tucker Carlson is not far behind conducting diplomacy on behalf of the United States or some other country.
		So I just think that's interesting that he threw that in there.
		He sort of, you know, what does he know about Venezuela?
		Why don't you tell us more about that?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You know, 1959, we've been working on that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So we both agree it's hard to do it.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is hard.
		And look, I think you're reasonable to ask, how do we produce that?
		I think there's a distinction between what your objective is and the means to get it.
		There are all sorts of things I would say we would be better off.
		We'd be better off in China without Xi there.
		Should we invade China and topple Xi?
		Of course not.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Better off with no national debt.
		There are lots of things.
		Totally.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		But it's good to say, all right, what are our objectives?
		And so with the Ayatollah in Iran saying you're for regime change, I don't view it as complicated.
		I mean, the guy literally leads mobs chanting death to America.
		So that's not good.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I love when people say that as if that matters.
		As if the world of grand strategy is governed by whether a country's population doesn't like us.
		Have you ever heard actually a good reason that Iran threatens the United States other than that they, like, hate America?
		They say death to America, so we're going to invade them?
		Like, why does that matter?
		They're on the other side of the planet.
		I just always find that ridiculous, even if you're a normie.
		Forget about, you don't need to be an expert, you don't even need to really know all the facts, but whenever you hear this argument, we need to overthrow the Iranian government, it's always like, but they hate America.
		Okay, so what?
		What's the proof?
		Well, they say death to America.
		Okay, so?
		Like, that just doesn't even matter.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Definitely not good.
		But the reason I think it's important to get a little more detailed about how that might happen is because there's military action in progress which we're supporting.
		And the president has said, clearly, including last night, that he is focused on eliminating the capacity of the Iranian government to produce nuclear weapons.
		You are saying we need to use military force to effect regime change.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I have not said that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I must have missed that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I have not said that once.
		I don't think we need to use military force to do regime change.
		I said I support it.
		I would like to see it happen.
		You asked me how should it happen.
		a popular uprising.
		So what I've advocated for You and I, we've known each other a long time.
		I would say we agree on about 80% of the things on Earth.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And there are a lot of things, and we can get into the nitty-gritty of foreign policy as much as you want.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of things on which you and I agree, not just a little bit, but violently.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I totally agree.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I was rooting for you in your last campaign, for sure.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
		Look, you have been heroic on And in Texas, I see it and live it every day.
		In COVID, in fact, you may recall, in the middle of the COVID lockdown, I was out walking my dog when the whole world was shut down and we were living in lunatic times.
		And I called you and said, Tucker, Like, I watch them like an injection of crack.
		Okay, I'm mixing my metaphor because you don't inject crack.
		But you get what I'm saying.
unidentified		You could try.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, it was, you were standing up and speaking like, what the hell are we doing in a way that we desperately, desperately needed?
		And so whether it's securing the border, whether it's the insanity of COVID lockdowns and the vaccine mandates, whether it is the Second Amendment or the First Amendment.
		You and I agree on a ton of stuff.
		The 20% where we disagree, I do think is meaningful.
		And it's mostly in the foreign policy space.
		And what I would say, if you'll allow me to get a little theoretical, and then I'm happy to get specific.
		For a long time, people have perceived two different poles of Republican foreign policy.
		There have been interventionists.
		And those have been people like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, George W. Bush.
		And there have been isolationists.
		And the most prominent of those have been Ron Paul and Rand Paul, and there are others.
		And people perceive those are the two choices.
		You've got to be one or the other.
		I've always thought both were wrong.
		I don't agree with either one.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The way I view my own foreign policy I agree with you.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who set up that binary, but there are lots of choices, actually.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		People sort of naturally fall into, I think they want to classify people, and they're like, okay, you're one or the other, and you've got to be all or nothing.
		And the interventionists, it seems, have never seen a country they didn't want to invade, and that doesn't make any sense to me.
		And the isolationists, I think, don't take the threats to America seriously, and I think that's naive, and it doesn't work.
		And so my view, I consider myself a third point on the triangle.
		And what I describe that as is that I am a non-interventionist hawk, which sounds a little weird, but what do I mean by that?
		I mean the central touchpoint for U.S. foreign policy and for any question of military intervention.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Don't you understand this is all just rhetoric?
		That's a completely false dichotomy.
		There are no true isolationists.
		Rand Paul, Ron Paul, they're not isolationists.
		And the reason why there's no isolationists is because America is interconnected with basically every country in the world.
		There is no such thing.
		Just because we don't want to overthrow like five countries doesn't mean we're isolated.
		We do trade with every country in the world.
		We're many countries' largest trading partner among their top three largest trading partners.
		We have bases all around the world.
		Troops deployed in many countries around the world.
		We protect the international waterways.
		We uphold all the supranational institutions.
		So the idea that we're isolated is just, that's a farce.
		But this is what they do.
		They create this false binary, like Tucker said, so that they can position themselves as the reasonable middle.
		And say, well, you know, some people want to invade every country and some people don't want to have any contact with any country.
		I'm sort of in the middle of nothing and everything.
		It's like, okay, well, everybody is in the middle.
		Everybody is in some sense in the middle.
		I don't think anybody's advocating for complete diplomatic and foreign isolation.
		I don't think anybody's realistically advocating, except for some, for total engagement kinetically with all of our enemies.
		And then, and this is something that you see a lot of Republicans do, pay attention to how they're always massaging.
		Republicans understand that the base has no appetite for any foreign entanglements.
		The Republican base, and I think the American public at large, does not want to be in a proxy war with Russia, does not want to be fighting Israel's war in the Middle East.
		We don't want to fight a war with China.
		We don't want to fight even wars against Venezuela or some of the, uh, So politicians understand that they have to placate that new constituency, which is fatigued by decades of war in the Middle East.
		And now because the economy is struggling because of other domestic issues have no appetite for any kind of great power competition with Russia or China that involves a proxy war, anything like that.
		At the same time.
		So this is where they come up with these, like, they create false distinctions.
		They create false categories.
		So they say things like, well, I'm a non-interventionist hawk.
		They have to massage definitions.
		And you see this even a lot on the so-called dissident right.
		When Trump bombed Syria in 2017 and 2018, when he killed Qasem Soleimani in 2020, They will say things like, well, that's not neoconservatism technically because it's not nation building.
		These are arbitrary distinctions.
		They'll say things like, well, that doesn't meet the definition of neoconservatism, that thing you don't like.
		That isn't nation building, which is a type of program, you know, as part of our foreign policy that we can pursue.
		It's this other category.
		It's a noncommittal, limited intervention for a very specific purpose.
		And it's like, so what?
		Why are we fighting Yemen?
		Why are we at war in Yemen?
		Why are we at war in Somalia?
		Do you even know that we are?
		We bombed Somalia two days ago.
		And you'll have people on the dissident right.
		On Twitter and Republican politicians will say, oh, well, being at war in Somalia forever, well, you know, that's not neoconservatism.
		That's not interventionism.
		That's not nation building.
		That's just a little bombing.
		And it's like, why does America need to be at war in Somalia forever?
		Why do we need to be at war in Yemen forever and West Africa forever?
		And this is what Ted Cruz is doing.
		I'm a non-interventionist hawk.
		It's like, how about just America first?
		Articulate a clear, specific, discernible American objective that benefits Americans directly or the American empire and say that.
		But don't say, you know, I'm just tired of the ideology.
		Well, I, you know, I'm a realist.
		I think that America should do some military actions, but Yeah.
		I'm a non-interventionist hawk.
		Well, this is not neoconservatism.
		Overthrowing the government in Iran is not neoconservatism.
		Okay.
	But this is what they do.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Should be the vital national security interest of the United States.
		How does this make America safer?
		How does this protect Americans?
		If it does, we should be strong.
		And actually, another way of conceiving what I'm saying, I'm speaking theoretically.
		But Reagan referred to it as peace through strength.
		And actually, I think Donald Trump's foreign policy is very much what I'm describing, a non-interventionist hawk, where he understands, and I think this is historically true, the best way to avoid war is being strong.
		That weakness and isolationism, I think, encourages war.
		So going back to...
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That isn't true, by the way.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I disagree with anything you've said, so we may not be that far apart, really, because you said that the single criterion for making decisions about America's foreign policy is America's national interest.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which is also America first.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That's another way of putting that as well.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I think it's the definition of it.
		It's hardly breaking news.
		The U.S. dollar has been gravely devalued by Washington money printing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Six minutes in?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You print money out of thin air and the currency becomes weaker.
		You can purchase less with the same amount.
		The entire system is backed by nothing.
		The question is, are we watching that now?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So I think we are.
		And from what you've said publicly, I think on Iran in particular, you and I disagree.
		All right, let me contrast it when Obama was president.
		When Obama was president, you remember he talked about wanting to have military action against Syria.
		And at the time I tried to keep an open mind to it.
		I said, okay, let me listen to the commander-in-chief, describe to me how this is in America's interest, and what your plan is.
		And Bashar Assad was a bad guy.
		He was killing his own citizens, and he had chemical weapons that were very dangerous.
		I could conceive of a commander-in-chief laying out a plan for, okay, we're going to go in and say, grab the chemical weapons and leave.
		I could see that if there was a real threat to America and there was a plan to prevent that, I could see supporting that.
		So I wanted to hear what he had to say.
		And I listened both in classified briefings and public questioning.
		And number one, their public defense of it was incoherent.
		John Kerry said, we're going to engage in an unbelievably small strike.
		I think that's a quote.
		I'm like, okay, and to do what?
		At the time, there were nine major rebel Islamic groups in Syria.
		I'm like, okay, I agree, Bashar Assad's a bad guy.
		You topple him.
		And one of the nine other groups takes over.
		Seven of them were affiliated with radical Islamic terrorism.
		You had al-Qaeda and al-Nusra.
		I'm like, wait, how is it better?
		To have lunatics who hate us in charge, Assad's a bad guy, but I don't want worse guys in charge.
		Obama administration couldn't give an answer to that.
		And ultimately, when you press them, John Kerry in particular I pressed, and he would say, well, we need to defend international norms.
		What the hell's an international norm?
		I don't know what it is, but I'm not interested in putting U.S. servicemen and women in harm's way to defend one.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Amen.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So I opposed the Syria attack and opposed it vocally.
		And it was interesting.
		Rand and I agreed.
		Rand's a friend of mine.
		But we agreed with that position for different reasons.
		What I was asking is, I think the question we should ask, how does this make America safer?
		The Obama administration couldn't give me an answer, so I opposed it.
		I think Iran is very different.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask what you think of how Syria wound up, because Bashar al-Assad now lives in Moscow.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He was taken out by our allies.
		And he's been replaced by a radical Islamist who was affiliated with ISIS.
		So is that a win or no?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		clear.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Look, Syria's a mess, so I've consistently opposed Now we have a religious extremist, Islamic religious extremist, who's overseen the purge of Christians and Alawites.
		Is that better?
		That doesn't seem like a win.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, one of the things you said is you said he was taken out by our allies.
		I don't think that's right.
		Israel didn't take Assad out.
		What happened, and I'll tell you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What about Turkey?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Turkey didn't take him out.
		So it was interesting.
		I had a long time.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How did Assad get kicked out?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		When Netanyahu was in D.C. a couple of months ago, he and I sat down.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		By the way, Israel 100% is responsible for Assad going.
		And I don't know why nobody talks about that, but Assad was overthrown in a matter of one or two weeks in December of last year.
		And that was followed up by years of Israel bombing Damascus and regime forces in Syria, which only escalated throughout 2024 after the war in Gaza, after October 7th and the war in Gaza began.
		So that, I mean, that's absolutely the case, that Israel had a hand in that.
		And so did Turkey, because the group that took over Syria was up there in the north of Syria with Turkey and probably a...
		So, of course, that's true.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		He's a good friend of mine.
		And we talked, actually, about Syria.
		He made an interesting point that I've not heard anywhere else, in that he said he believes what toppled Assad was when Israel took out Nasrallah.
		Nasrallah was the head of Hezbollah, and they took him out.
		And he made an interesting point.
		He said it's fascinating how a charismatic leader, and Bibi said, look, Nasrallah was a very effective terrorist leader.
		And when they took him out, that power base was supporting Assad.
		And that ultimately, in Bibi's analysis, removed the support from Assad and toppled him.
		But they weren't trying to take out Assad.
		My view now, I don't know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you don't think that, and I don't, it is very confusing, and I don't know that anyone really knows all the details, but you don't think that Israel or Turkey or NATO ally Turkey played any role in toppling Assad?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know that they did.
		Look, my understanding of that, they clearly took out Nasrallah and Hezbollah.
		They've decimated Hezbollah, but Hezbollah is waging war on them.
		So decimating Hezbollah was very good for Israel and very good for America, too.
		I mean, Hezbollah hated us.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Once again, it's like, who cares?
		Who cares?
		They say, well, Hezbollah hated us.
		I'm sorry, when is the last time Hezbollah attacked the United States?
		I'm aware that they were involved in the embassy bombing in the 1980s.
		You know, 50 years ago, 45 years ago.
		But that's because we were there.
		We were there and we were facilitating Israel's war in Lebanon.
		When has Hezbollah ever posed a threat?
		Unless we're in their backyard, when have they ever posed a threat to the United States mainland?
		They don't have international objectives.
		This is what I'm talking about.
		Iran chants death to America.
		Hezbollah hates America.
		They're all the way over there.
		They got nothing to do with us.
		And the reason that matters, obviously, is that there are Muslim groups that kill Americans or have killed Americans, terrorist groups and terrorist cells in some certain countries, and almost all of them are so-called allies.
		ISIS and Al-Qaeda, those are the groups that are supporting lone wolf terrorism or have in the past, and they're backed by Saudi Arabia and Israel.
		You know, I hear that all the time.
		They say, because of course Hezbollah and Iran and Iran's proxies, these are all Shiite groups.
		These are Shiite groups with regional ambitions or even sometimes national ambitions like local ambitions.
		The Houthi rebels, Hezbollah, Kataib Hezbollah in Iraq, even the Revolutionary Guard.
		They have regional ambitions at best, local ambitions in most cases.
		It is the Sunni Islamist groups.
		That come from Saudi clerics, Wahhabist Saudi clerics.
		They're the ones, to the extent that this is real, that are carrying out terror attacks, mass casualty attacks in Europe and the United States.
		And Israel is involved with those groups as well.
		Israel, the CIA in Saudi Arabia, to some extent Turkey.
		So you hear that all the time.
		It's like, well, you know, they hate America.
		It's like, dude.
		The radical Muslims that kill Americans come from our allies.
		Should we overthrow Saudi Arabia and Israel?
		It just doesn't matter.
		I mean, if or when Hezbollah launches missiles at the U.S. mainland, then you have an argument.
		If and when Hezbollah, a non-state actor, gets an intercontinental ballistic missile and starts launching them at New York, then I'll take it seriously.
		But until then, it's just totally ridiculous.
		See, once you start to compare...
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I would put Assad in the category of an unintended consequence, and whether it's good or bad, I don't know.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I think time will tell.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		For the United States.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for the United States.
		I think time will tell the new leadership there.
		You're right to be concerned.
		Let me step back and let's talk.
		Regime change generally.
		I mentioned Syria.
		I also opposed the Iraq War.
		I think the Iraq War was a serious mistake.
		And we have a pattern, and going back to this binary of the interventionists and the isolationists, the interventionists advocate over and over again.
		There's a bad guy.
		There's a dictator who's doing bad things to his people, and they say, let's go topple them.
		And you have dictators in the Middle East who are killing radical Islamic terrorists.
		We come in and topple them.
		The radical Islamic terrorists take over and they start killing Americans.
		And my view, how the heck does that help us?
		Like, Saddam Hussein was a horrible human being.
		He murdered and tortured people.
		Unequivocally bad guy.
		But it got much worse after we toppled him.
		And you ended up having ISIS rise up.
		I mean, that was the cause of ISIS, was toppling Saddam Hussein.
		Same thing in Libya.
		You had Qaddafi, another horrible guy, that under Obama, we toppled him.
		And you ended up having radical Islamic warlords taking over.
		And it's the question I asked in Syria.
		Okay, well, what's the plan?
		And how is this good or bad for the United States?
		And so I don't think, But up to that point, you say we disagree.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't hear really anything.
		I'm not quite sure what happened in Syria, but I don't know, so, right?
		But other than that, I don't hear anything I disagree with at all.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like we're in a complete agreement.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I wonder, though, is there a successful recovery?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I hate this, like, he's totally insincere.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about Tucker, the way he talks.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		At all?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like we're in a complete agreement.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like we're in complete agreement.
		I just hate this, like, this, he plays dumb.
		This just asking questions, playing dumb.
		This face that he makes, like he doesn't know what's being said.
		I really, it bothers me.
		Because that's, it's almost dishonest to the audience.
		And that's why I don't trust him.
		And because he's a CIA guy.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is there a successful regime change that the United States supported that you're aware of in the last hundred years?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Defeating the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union collapsing, winning the Cold War.
		That was the most consequential step for U.S. national security interests of our lifetimes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you would classify that as a regime change that we affected?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Look, you and I are in my office.
		We're sitting next to a painting of Reagan in front of the Brandenburg Gate.
		And up top are the words, tear down this wall, in German, in the style of the graffiti.
		And I think those are the most important words any leader has said in modern times.
		And if you look at how Reagan waged the Cold War, and Reagan is very much my model for how to...
		I actually think how Reagan took on the Soviet Union is exactly how we should take on China.
		Now, starting from the point In eight years, the biggest country Reagan ever invaded was Grenada.
		He was very reluctant to use U.S. military force.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He didn't respond after the 83 barracks bombings.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		He made the judgment that the risk exceeded the benefits.
		And that's a very rational decision to make.
		And it's reflected Trump has made those same decisions where he is willing to use military force, but he very much asks, OK, is this good or bad for America?
		Does this endanger U.S. servicemen and women or not?
		And one of the points about the Cold War, look, nobody in their right mind wanted to Firing bullets at each other is really unhealthy for human beings.
		Same thing is true with China.
		Nobody with any sense says, hey, let's go to war with China.
		That's really dumb and a whole lot of people could die.
		But the Cold War showed we've got lots of tools short of sending the Marines to fight against a regime.
		And one of the most important tools is the bully pulpit.
		And so when I say I support regime change, I actually think just simply...
		And so I spend a lot of time.
		I speak to Iranian dissident groups.
		I speak out against human rights abuses.
		I think shining a light on the depravity of leaders is a really powerful tool that America has.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Should we limit our activity to that?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It depends.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Because the U.S. government pays opposition groups, militarized opposition groups in Iran.
		To overthrow the government.
		We've done that in a lot of different places, as you know.
		I'm not saying it's bad, but that's very different from what you're describing.
		You're saying, we're making a moral case, as we did for seven years with the Soviets.
		Our system works, yours doesn't.
		And I think we made a credible case for that.
		And we beat them over 70 years economically.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And that was a huge part of it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I think everyone would agree that was the main part of it.
		We didn't beat them in Vietnam or North Korea.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		The main part of it, but it was tied to a military buildup.
		So I think it was two things.
		It was, one, the clarity.
		So Reagan came in, and he described the Soviet Union as an evil empire.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And all of the intelligentsia in D.C., all the Democrats, all the media, they're like, what a horrible thing to say.
		You can't say that.
		Reagan went to the United Kingdom, and he said, Marxism, Leninism will end up on the ash heap of history.
		People were horrified.
		They asked him, all right, what's your strategy in the Cold War?
		He said, very simple, we win, they lose.
		And that was all viewed as sort of a Philistine simplicity.
		And I think it was exactly right.
		And laying that out, speaking out, Yeah, I do.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot of yap.
		When do they talk about Iran?
		So much yapping.
		Ted Cruz always struck me as just full of shit.
		I know I'm not the first person to say that, but...
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Times the State Department deleted those words from that speech.
		And three times Reagan wrote it back.
		And the State Department argued.
		They said, Mr. President, you can't say this.
		This is too bellicose.
		This is too provocative.
		And my favorite, they said, this is too unrealistic.
		The Berlin Wall will stand till the end of time.
		And Reagan said, look, this is the whole point of the speech.
		And less than three years after Reagan gave that speech, the Berlin Wall was torn to the ground.
		And it wasn't knocked down by American army tanks.
		We didn't shoot missiles at it.
		It was shining truth and light that tore it down.
		It was also rebuilding the American military.
		It was what was then pejoratively called Star Wars, where the Soviet Union, their economy couldn't match our military buildup, and it bankrupted that.
		That's an example of peace through strength.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I wonder, I mean, is there anybody who was alive in 1989 who wouldn't trade that America for the one we live in now?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		There's not one person, I don't think.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, just the basic metrics, debt, suicide rate, life expectancy.
		I wonder why, after that victory, America didn't thrive in the way that we thought that it would, that I thought that it would.
		My family was involved in that.
		I mean, we were very focused on it in my house.
		We won.
		And I wonder two things.
		Why didn't the United States kind of declare victory and make some sort of arrangement with Russia that allowed mutual prosperity rather than continuing a Cold War?
		And second, I wonder why the United States didn't get a lot better.
		Like, why don't we have better infrastructure?
		Why don't we have fewer homeless?
		Why do we have all these drugs?
		Like, if we won, why does our country look like this?
		I walked across from Union Station this morning, as you do, I'm sure, every day, and all those people lying in the street and sleeping outside.
		It's like, what is that?
		We're sorry to say it, but this is not a very safe country.
		Walk through Oakland or Philadelphia How many ads are in this thing?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Look, there's no doubt there are really dangerous forces in our society.
		Some of it is politics and some of it is culture.
		And one of the mistakes people make in politics is thinking everything is politics.
		So the political answer, which I happen to believe, is we went much further down the road of liberalism.
		You look at Bill Clinton, who inherited the peace dividend of the Cold War being over and moved us more to the left, and then Obama accelerated it a lot.
		So there are lots of bad economic policies, but I also think they're cultural things.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Why has American quality of life not surged after we won the Cold War and defeated our major adversary in the 20th century?
		Well, Bill Clinton was liberal and then Obama was liberal.
		It's like, I think you're kind of missing a little part in the middle there.
		What happened between Bill Clinton and Obama that might have, I don't know, taken our focus off of America?
		Why is American infrastructure crumbling?
		Why is our debt so high?
		Why do we have homeless veterans in the street?
		Well, there was Bill Clinton made us liberal, yada, yada, yada.
		Then Obama made us more liberal.
		It's like, I don't know, wasn't there something in those intervening years that might have something to do with that?
		Sort of an interesting take.
		You know, the global war on terror, the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, that had nothing to do with it, the recession.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I know what you're going to say, and I agree 100%.
		I bet there's not one word that I would disagree with.
		All I'm saying is, I think it's important to step back and ask.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		But I actually think Russia has very little to do with it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's kind of the point that I'm trying to make, which is, like, we're all sort of focused on beating our adversaries abroad, but what is victory worth if our own country becomes what it is now?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And maybe we're spending a little too much time focused abroad, and not enough time focused on the people sleeping outside Union Station.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So, look, I absolutely think we need to focus at home, emphatically, and we need to focus on prosperity, we need to focus on reducing the debt, reducing spending, empowering people, low taxes, small businesses.
		American free enterprise, it's the most powerful force for fighting poverty the world has ever seen.
		A thousand percent there.
		I also recognize it is a dangerous world.
		And part of the responsibility of leaders, part of President Trump's responsibility, is to keep America safe.
		Let's go back to where we started.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But can I ask, you've been in the district a long time in D.C., so have I. And the city's way more dangerous, and Congress runs this city.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It's a complete crapple.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So I'm saying, like, no Iranians ever going to kill me, but I could get carjacked here.
		And I just don't understand how the Congress could run the city and focus on the dangers of Iran when the city is a garbage.
		It's garbage.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		But Congress doesn't run the city.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We could.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Congress does run the city.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's in the Constitution.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It's in the Constitution, but they've given home rule so it's a Democrat mayor.
unidentified		You can take it back.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You can tell the Congress.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I'd vote for it, but it is a question of mass.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but I'm just saying, like, why, how can people ignore...
		And there's a sense in which the Congress is neglecting the country that elected them in favor of this relentless focus on other people's problems.
		That's the way it feels as an American.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Look, there are lots of problems in America that we need to fix.
		Why is D.C. a pit?
		Because you have a mayor and a Democrat city council that won't let police officers arrest bad guys.
		And in every city you see across the country, whether it's New York, whether it's Chicago, whether it's L.A., whether it's San Francisco, if you have Democrats, we see the L.A. riots where they won't let people be arrested.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Then why not work in regime change here?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why not use the bully pulpit?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What do you think I do every day?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I've never seen a Republican senator stand up and say, I just walked to work this morning over people dying of drug IDs.
		We're going to shut this place down unless they fix it.
		They're mad about Putin.
		Like, what did Putin do to Washington?
unidentified		Nothing.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Look, in terms of regime change, let's talk this week.
		The riots in L.A. I've made very clear that the cause of those riots are Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass.
		And when you elect communists who hate America, who stop law enforcement from arresting criminals, you get what you get on the street.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Amen, I agree.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		My in-laws are Californians, and they're wonderful people.
		Heidi grew up on the central coast of California.
		And I remember I was texting with my mother-in-law, and I think I sent her a video of criminals going into a store and just looting in California.
		And her response, she said something like, well, this is really terrible.
		I wish we could.
		It's a shame we can't do anything about this.
		So yes, you can.
		Go in and arrest them.
		Throw their butts in jail, put them in handcuffs, and it stops.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And so we know how to fix these things.
		And D.C. is, I think D.C. voted, if I remember right, 92% Democrat.
		Democrat policies don't work, and they destroy every community that they are in charge of.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Then why don't Republicans assert their constitutional authority over the city?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Don't they control the Congress?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'd be all for it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Who's against it?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Susan Collins is really vocally against it.
		So on questions of home rule, so for example, let's take an issue you and I care a lot about, the COVID lockdowns.
		I had a couple of years ago in the middle of them.
		D.C. was proposing, the D.C. school district was proposing throwing out of school any child that was not vaccinated.
		And at the time, if I remember correctly, it was something like 40% of the African-American students in D.C. were not vaccinated.
		So we're talking about literally throwing out 40% of the kids at public school.
		And so I had a vote on the Senate floor to say, look, they can't throw kids out of school for this.
		And we ended up having a big argument, and part of the argument was home rule.
		And Susan was the most vocal Republican.
		It's like, no, no, no, we have to let D.C. run.
		And I'm like, why?
		Constitution gives us the power to do it.
		And it ended up, by the way, every single Democrat, all of them.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I don't really agree with the premise.
		We're an empire.
		The United States is an empire.
		We have a domestic and a foreign policy.
		So this idea like, well, we're focused on everybody else's problems and not our own.
		It's like, well, I don't know.
		I think Republicans and Democrats, they also handle domestic issues.
		It is true that the global war on terror, war in Iraq, that does consume a lot of the attention and energy and money of the government.
		That's true.
		But that's because it's a bad foreign policy.
		This whole like...
		I mean, I think we have a domestic and a foreign policy.
		The question is, what foreign policy?
		What foreign policy is best?
		So, I understand the rhetoric.
		Rhetorically, I think it's sound.
		You know, why are we going to fight Israel's wars and fight and die over there when we have people dying over here?
		I wouldn't even necessarily have a problem with an imperial foreign policy.
		In principle, I'm not opposed to it.
		If America was invading countries and making them colonies and we had an empire, I think that would be fantastic.
		The question is, who are we fighting the foreign policy for?
		Who are we fighting the wars for?
		Who does the foreign policy serve?
		In principle, I have no problem with having an empire and having an interest.
		We have to have an interest in these other countries.
		Domestic prosperity is inextricably connected to our foreign policy.
		It's inextricably connected to trade.
		And trade is inextricably connected to a foreign policy.
		You know, I mean, look at what happened during COVID.
		The reason that we have inflation, part of the reason why we have inflation, is because of the supply chain disruptions that happened in 2020.
		It's because of all those cargo ships that were backed up in the port of Los Angeles.
		You know, and you have the situation now where we're competing with China, we're fighting a trade war now with tariffs.
		So I actually disagree with this idea that there's a necessary tension between domestic and foreign policy.
		They should be harmonized, and we should have a foreign policy.
		The question is, who is it for?
		And, you know, Tucker's going to get into that later, but I never love that rhetoric, this like, what about what we're doing over here?
		Because you look at, like, a good example is what's happening in Ukraine.
		We spent maybe $200-300 billion on foreign aid to Ukraine.
		And people say that's outrageous.
		And it is.
		But in the grand scheme of things, $200-300 billion is not a lot of money.
		Not compared to what the federal government spends every year.
		Federal government spends $7-8 trillion every single year.
		$7-8 trillion in federal receipts.
		So that's $0.2 trillion.
		Over three years versus $8 trillion each year versus $21 to $24 trillion.
		I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head, but it's like 1% of all the federal outlays.
		And that's not to say that I support that.
		I don't.
		But here's another helpful number.
		During the COVID pandemic.
		When they passed the first relief bill, the first or second stimulus bill back in 2020, April or May 2020, everybody got a check for $1,200.
		Remember?
		They said if you earn, I think, less than $100,000 annually, you get a check for $1,200.
		That cash stimulus cost the government $250 billion.
		So if we sent Ukraine $200 to $300 billion, And the cash payment to Americans was $250 billion.
		Then all that support for Ukraine would amount to $1,000 for a small percentage of the population for, like, what it amount to?
		A third?
		40%?
		Half the population?
		It's not life-changing.
		You know, so people talk about homelessness and health care and retirees and child care and education.
		You know, it's not because, and I've said this for a long time, I am America first, I do oppose spending the money, but the idea that that is why we're broke, it simply isn't the case.
		Now, when you factor in the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, when you take all of it together, then you get to $10 trillion over 20 years, and it's a little bit of a bigger pie, but there are structural problems.
	Why the country is going bankrupt, and it really has a lot more to do with entitlements.
	You can't have a warfare state and a welfare state, and you certainly should not have a warfare state when you don't need to be fighting wars.
	We have a very decadent and exorbitant welfare state alongside a pretty substantial warfare state, but there's not even really a good reason.
	To have a wartime economy.
	I mean, why are we fighting these ragheads in the Middle East?
	That's the part that doesn't make sense.
	So, you know, this is where I even maybe have a departure with Tucker or Ted Cruz even for that matter.
	I think that we should have an imperial reach.
	We should have a huge navy.
	We should have a very robust foreign policy.
	I'm not opposed to interventions abroad necessarily all the time.
	But the question is, again, you know, what are they for?
	Are they America first?
	I don't think that...
	What are we doing over there?
	You know, that's rhetoric.
	That's a rhetorical argument, and it is effective, but it also just doesn't really – the math doesn't really work.
	So I don't know if I necessarily agree with all that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Voted in favor of the D.C. public schools being able to throw out.
		I said, look, you throw a kid out of school.
		You got a 14, 15-year-old boy.
		You throw him out of school.
		You know what's going to happen next.
		He's going to join a gang.
		He's going to engage in crimes.
		He's going to engage in drugs.
		He could be dead within five years if that kid doesn't get an education.
		And the Democrats were more than happy to say we don't care.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and by the way, one other thing.
		Probably the biggest reason why the country's bankrupt is because of trade.
		It's because of really trade more than anything.
		The reason why life expectancy is arguably going down, the reason you have deaths of despair, the reason you have homelessness, the reason why fentanyl is so attractive is because all of the small towns and cities in America are being destroyed by free trade.
		Because all of the workshops and manufacturing, all of the industry that supported these economies of small towns and cities Was destroyed by free trade.
		It was Chinese with their tiny little hands in little sweatshops in Indonesia and Vietnam with slave wages.
		They were out competing, the industry in the United States.
		And when all the factories left, Gary, Indiana, Detroit, Michigan, South Bend, Indiana, when they left...
		There's no growth.
		There's no jobs.
		The biggest industries are government, healthcare, education.
		That's why people are killing themselves.
		Because if you look in the big cities, it's really more of like a governance problem.
		And the big cities are actually doing pretty good.
		Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, they have big, diversified, robust economies.
		They have really good schools.
		I mean, we have the top universities in the world.
		In terms of companies, we have some of the best private and public companies in the world.
		Why is there so much crime?
		That's an administrative problem.
		That's a government problem.
		The big cities are doing pretty good.
		If they just cleaned up the streets, literally and figuratively, it would be like utopia.
		We could have paradise.
		The reason why we have shitty public transportation and traffic and crime is because the mayors and public prosecutors don't want to arrest black people.
		But if you clean that up, these cities would look a lot more like Europe or more like Dubai and the Gulf states than they do right now.
		What is driving the despair in America is everywhere else.
		It is the American heartland that's being hollowed out.
		That's a trade problem.
		You know, you can't even begin to address that before you talk about financialization.
		And certainly fighting unnecessary wars isn't helping us, but the chief problem is opening up our markets the way that we have.
		If you had tariffs, if you had a foreign policy that was aimed at supply chains, we would be in good shape.
		If we were still building ships, if we were still making steel.
		You know, it'd be a different story.
		South Korea makes ships.
		They're an advanced industrialized economy.
		I mean, we can make ships too.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But can you see, I mean, again, once again, I couldn't agree with you more, but can you feel the frustration of people, including your voters, every American, at the emphasis on foreign countries and the threat we supposedly face, which is fake, obviously.
		Over the kind of slowly unfolding tragedy of what's happening to our country, the dollars spent, the aid packages to Ukraine to pay the retirement of civil servants in a country that we have nothing to do with, the endless support for Israel, very expensive.
		When people are literally buying groceries on credit in the United States, can you feel like nothing gets to Ukraine or Israel?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's stop.
		You said the support for Israel, very expensive.
		How much support do we give to Israel?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you tell me.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You vote for it.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It's about $3 billion a year, the military assistance.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's closer to $4 billion a year.
		It's like $3.8 billion.
		I like how they round down.
		It's about $3 billion per year.
		It's $3.8 billion.
		It's far closer to $4 billion.
		And like Tucker says, there's more than just that military aid.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's like $3 billion.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We just have military assistance.
		Israel does not have additional assistance.
		There's an MOU, a Memorandum of Understanding, and it's $3 billion a year.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So what is it costing the support?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		For the bombing campaign to protect Israel right now from Iran.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know right now, but I'll tell you this.
		Let's go back to the touchstone on foreign policy.
		American interest.
		Our support, our military support for Israel is massively in America's national security.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But what does it cost?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And it benefits us enormously.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, before we can make independent judgments about whether or not that's true, and I'm certainly open to it, I think we need to know what it costs.
		So what's the annual cost of defending Israel?
		Do you know?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Three billion a year.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That's the aid.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, the cost of the weapons, for example.
		The cost of U.S. personnel there, the cost of moving ships to the region, which we're doing right now, the cost of moving tankers, all of that.
		Do we know what the cost is?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So, look, the last week, I don't know, and there's some lag when the administration on the Constitution, the commander-in-chief, has control of the armed forces, and so President Trump has made some decisions that will know the cost over time, but I don't know the last week.
		I don't have visibility on that.
		The annual cost is $3 billion.
		It's a 10-year memorandum of understanding, and that's the principal driver of the cost.
		But let me make a point.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's not true.
		The Trump administration fast-tracked $12 billion earlier this year.
		The MOU, which was in 2016, is $3.8 per year.
		But last year we had a foreign aid package for Israel in, I think, April.
		And it was something like $25 billion.
		And then $12 billion, there was a supplemental amount of money.
		And then I think they sent over some that had been approved from the previous year in the early months of the Trump administration.
		So since October 7th, it's obviously gone up significantly for this.
		Uh, For this conflict in particular, but also you can tack on year over year the cost of the Iron Dome because we have the $3.8 billion from the MOU and you have the cost of the Iron Dome on top of that and you have the cost of every other conflict that we're involved in with Israel, whether it's October 7th, whether it's deploying assets to protect them against Hezbollah, against Iran, whatever, and that doesn't have a fixed number necessarily, so that's just totally dishonest.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Massive benefits from Israel.
		Israel shares.
		The Mossad is one of the best intelligence sources on the planet.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Somebody says in the live chat, somebody says $300 billion to Ukraine is nothing but $3.8 billion to Israel is much.
		No, I'm not saying it's – I've never said that foreign aid as a cost is prohibitive.
		I'm not in principle against foreign aid.
		Some people say we shouldn't give foreign aid to anybody.
		I think we should.
		I think foreign aid is good.
		Foreign aid makes sense because it is very cheap.
		It's very cost effective.
		To buy influence.
		America is an empire.
		The problem is Israel gets the most of it.
		That is emblematic of its influence over our government.
		So it's not cost.
		Over the history of the state of Israel since 1948, it's cumulatively, it's something like $250 billion.
		When you add the cost of the Iraq war, the global war on terror, which Israel had a lot to do with, it rises to many trillions.
		When you adjust it for inflation, when you account for interest over time, it would be many trillions of dollars, like $15 or $20 trillion or something like that.
		But that's really taking everything into account over 70 or 80 years.
		But it's not – the problem is not the cost.
		The problem is what it is doing strategically to us and how it is representative of their influence because I agree.
		And I've never said, oh, 3.8 is such a big deal.
		They receive the most out of any country.
		They have received the most out of any country since 1978.
		And that just reflects their influence.
		the number one, two, and three countries, Israel, Egypt, and Jordan, all of that facilitates Israel's national interest.
		And the reason that we have that arrangement is, So for me, it was never about the cost by itself.
		It's about what does that say about our Congress?
		That every politician, it's a 99 to 1 vote in the Senate.
		It's a unanimous vote in the House every year.
		More foreign aid to Israel.
		It's increasing all the time.
		Aid to Egypt.
		Aid to Jordan.
		So they keep their peace treaty with Israel.
		Because the number is not necessarily cost prohibitive.
		The big cost is the wars.
		Israel drove us into the war in Iraq.
		And the war in Iraq cost us, at the minimum, $3 trillion, probably closer to $7 trillion.
		So, that is prohibitive.
		So, smartass and live chat.
		Oh, $300 billion to Ukraine.
		You just said that's nothing but $3.8 trillion.
		Well, once again, that's just a foreign aid.
		When you talk about these strategic commitments to Israel, like the war in Iraq, which was done at their behest.
		Intelligence fabricated by the Office of Special Plans from Jewish neocons, Netanyahu's advocacy, their neocons in the press at the Weekly Standard, AEI, and the rest of it, Wall Street Journal, pushing us into the war.
		That costs many trillions of dollars.
		So yeah, that number is bigger than the conflict in Ukraine.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		The enemies of Israel, the people who hate Israel, they all hate us.
		It's almost a perfect overlap.
		And so if we tried to recreate, if we're just trying to defend America, we tried to recreate the national security benefits of our alliance with Israel, it would cost, I don't know, $30 billion, $300 billion.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So can you elaborate?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Again, I'm going into this as someone who's always liked Israel and still does.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Why do you like Israel?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		At this point, given where we are, it's fair to ask rational questions about what the benefits are.
		Good.
		So does Mossad share all of its intelligence with us?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, probably not, but they share a lot.
		We don't share all of our intelligence with them, but we share a lot.
		It's a close alliance.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do they spy domestically in the United States?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they probably do, and we do as well.
		And friends and allies spy on each other.
		And I assume all of our allies spy on us.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And that's okay with you?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		One of the things about being a conservative is that you're not naive and utopian.
		You don't think humans are all...
		As a conservative, I assume people act in their rational self-interest.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So it's conservative to pay people to spy on you?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It's conservative to recognize that human beings act in their own self-interest, and every one of our friends spies on us.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's my question.
		I'm not asking whether they have motive to do it.
		Of course they do.
		I understand that.
		And I'm not mad at them, but you're an American lawmakers, so I just want to know your attitude.
		You said that your guiding principle, in fact, the only principle, the only criterion.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I said guiding.
		The overwhelming.
		I wouldn't say only.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is it in America's interest?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is it in America's interest for Israel to spy on us, including on the president?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It is in America's interest to be closely allied with Israel because— I like how we can't answer.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I like how we can't even answer the question, is it good for America to be spied on by Israel?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We get huge benefits for it, and you want to see the clear— I just want to stop on this one for a second.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It takes place, as you know.
		Including on the President of the United States and several precedents.
		And I just want to know if that's okay and why is it okay?
		Wouldn't an American lawmaker say to a client state, you're not allowed to spy on us?
		I'm sorry.
		I know why you want to.
		I'm not mad at you, but you're not allowed to.
		And I don't care for it.
		I don't want to be spied on by you.
		It's kind of weird not to say that, but you don't seem able to say that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I would say don't spy on us.
		They're going to anyway.
		And by the way, the Brits are, the Canadians are.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think Well, I'm not for that at all.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I think it's disgusting, but we don't actually pay their We're not paying for the operations of the British government.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So I gotta say, and this is, it's weird.
		We're talking about isolation.
		It's the obsession with Israel.
		Why is Israel?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I'm obsessed with Israel.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Look at that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Look at how they turn.
		Look at how they turn like that.
		We give Israel all this aid.
		And by the way, Israel conducts one of the most aggressive spying operations on our soil out of any country.
		It is Russia and China in the number one and number two position, probably China's number one at this point, followed by Israel.
		So our two greatest adversaries, two great powers, two nuclear-armed great power adversaries, they're the number one and number two most aggressive spying operations on U.S. soil.
		Number three is our closest ally, Israel.
		So it's not like they're just doing their due diligence.
		It's not like they're just hanging out.
		It's sort of this innocuous thing.
		They have, and I would argue even that, that's a report that comes from a long time ago.
		That report's like seven years old, actually.
		Probably Israel conducts the most aggressive spying operation on our soil out of any country.
		And they're our closest ally.
		They're our client state, as Tucker said.
		We give them billions of dollars per year.
		Our military aid is a significant proportion, I think it's a quarter or a third of their defense budget.
		We're paying their military to spy on us.
		We're paying their security apparatus to conduct an aggressive and hostile spying operation on our soil.
		Which in principle is obviously wrong.
		And Tucker is saying, well, you know, do you think, do you like that?
		Do you think we should pay a country to spy on us?
		And Tucker says, or Ted Cruz can't even answer it.
		Well, you know, they're going to spy on us anyway.
		Why are you obsessed with Israel?
		That's always where it goes.
		Always, every single time.
		All you have to do is point out this contradiction.
		You say, Israel receives the most foreign aid.
		We defend Israel too.
		We fight wars at their behest.
		They spy on us.
		How is this good for us?
		We give them all this money.
		They're spying on our politicians.
		They're pressuring our government to do their bidding.
		Why are we paying for them to do this?
		Is this how allies behave?
		Is this good for America?
		And before people will even answer you, these mainstream Republican types like Ted Cruz, they'll turn it around and say, why are you obsessed with Israel?
		And by the way, there's an insinuation inside that question, which is, You're obsessed with Israel because you hate Jews.
		That's what they're, that's always how they turn it.
		And it is on its face a contradiction.
		It's on its face.
		Hypocritical, a double standard.
		You know, we give them money and yet they're hurting us.
		We would not tolerate that arrangement with any other country.
		We wouldn't pay China's military budget to hurt our country.
		We wouldn't pay Russia's military budget to spy on our country.
		Why are we paying Israel more money than anybody?
		And by the way, the next two countries were also paying them on Israel's behalf for them to really have a hostile orientation towards us.
		An abusive, manipulative, hostile orientation.
		Why is that good?
		That's a fair question.
		That's a valid, logical, supportable question.
		And they turn it around and say, well, why do you hate Jews?
		First of all, there's this premise.
		Well, And by the way, why are you obsessed with Israel?
		Is it because you're a rabid anti-Semite who harbors irrational hatred for Jewish people?
		This is what happened to me when I was a kid.
		When I was 18 years old, when I was a freshman in college, I asked the exact same question.
		I went to school in Boston, and I knew a lot of the Boston area.
		Young Republican types, young Republican guys at Campus Reform, at Young Americans for Liberty, at TPUSA, College Republicans.
		And a lot of them were Jewish.
	A lot of them were working with Daily Wire.
	And I would say, I would ask this exact same conversation.
	I would say they conduct the most aggressive spying operation on our soil.
	I would say we give them $3.8 billion per year.
	I would say all this.
	And they would turn it around and say, why are you obsessed with Israel?
	Why is that all you can talk about?
	And I would say, I'm not.
	It just doesn't make any sense.
	And I would say, it feels like you can't talk about this.
	And then they started coming for me.
	And when I say they started coming for me, let me be specific.
	They would call my boss at Right Side Broadcasting Network every night.
	And they would say, did you see what he just said on a show?
	You need to fire him.
	Every day for weeks after we had this conversation.
	I was a kid.
	They were kids.
	I was 18. I think they were maybe in their early 20s or something.
	And they would literally call my boss every night.
	Did you believe what he just said on his show?
	You need to fire him.
	He's going to ruin your network.
	And then they started publishing hit pieces in Campus Reform, started writing negative tweets about me.
	They were passing along clips from my show to Media Matters.
	They prevented me from getting a job at the Leadership Institute.
	Then later, that was in February or March 2017.
	Then in the summer, in August 2017, I went out to D.C. for a job at the Leadership Institute.
	I went to a job training.
	They pulled strings to prevent me from getting a job.
	So I was canceled as an 18-year-old freshman.
	There was like this flying monkey brigade.
unidentified		We woo, we woo.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We got one who can see.
		We have someone criticizing Israel.
		Throttle him in the crib.
		Prevent him from ever working in this industry.
		And it went exactly like this.
		You asked this question.
		You observed the double standard.
		And look, it's a reasonable question.
		It's totally valid.
		They do spy on us.
		They do abuse our country.
		We pay them to do it.
		How can anybody justify that?
		And before he can even get an answer like, is it bad that Israel spies on us?
		It'd be one thing if they said, well, yeah, but it's unavoidable.
		Yeah, but, you know, here's why that doesn't matter or something.
		If you actually had some kind of engagement with the facts, you'd say, okay.
		But then they'd turn it around and say, well, you hate Jews.
		You're an anti-Semite.
		You're the worst thing a person can be, a Nazi.
		Now, the difference is most people...
		That's the difference.
		Most people start to press up against this subject and they say, oh, I don't want to be called a Nazi.
		I guess I'll just give up this line of questioning.
		Ah, yeah, you're right.
		Maybe I am talking about Jews too much.
		Back to our regularly scheduled programming.
		But me, I went the other direction.
		I said, hmm, wait a second.
		I said, if I ask a valid question about Israel, I get called a Nazi.
		And I asked another question.
		I said, why is being a Nazi a bad thing?
		Answer, because of the Holocaust.
		Being a Nazi is the worst thing you can be because Adolf Hitler, who was the founder of the Nazi Party, perpetrated the Holocaust, which is the most unique.
		Worst genocide in the history of mankind.
		That's why.
		But I said, I'm not in favor of a Holocaust.
		I'm not in favor of killing all Jews.
		I just want America first.
		Why are they using this label?
		And I said, isn't this kind of like, do you understand how, you know, there's all the difference in the world between people that can critically think and ask questions and answer them and people that can't?
		Asked and answered.
		They called me a Nazi.
		Why is that a bad thing?
		Sincerely, has anyone ever thought about it?
		They call you a Nazi, and the reason why Nazi looms large, the reason it casts a shadow over everything, as opposed to being called a communist or being called a fascist even or something else, is because Hitler perpetrated allegedly, again, this is all nominal, allegedly Hitler perpetrated the most unique genocide.
		He didn't kill the most people, but what made it particularly heinous, according to the narrative, Is that it was systematic and industrial.
		And that it was intended to kill the Jews of all people.
		Because he killed gypsies.
		He killed Catholic priests.
		He killed disabled people, gay people.
		People don't really talk about that.
		They talk about the Jews.
		That's what made it so heinous.
		And that's what makes it so evil.
		And at that time, with that sort of contingent definition.
		Okay, of what it is to be a Nazi.
		I said, but wait a second.
		I don't support killing all Jews, and I don't even hate Jews.
		At that time, I didn't know anything about Jews.
		I just said, look, I don't hate Jews.
		I don't really care that much about Jews.
		I just said, I just want America first, and there's this pretty self-evident contradiction.
		And at that time, as a conservative, I said, well, isn't this kind of like how the left calls everybody racist?
	I asked another question.
	I said, you know, they're calling me a Nazi.
	Why is that bad?
	Oh, that's why.
	But I don't support that.
	This is sort of like if you say that black people should graduate high school and not have kids out of wedlock, you could call the racist.
	And conservatives criticize the left for doing that.
	I said, so isn't that another hypocrisy?
	Isn't that sort of like a layered double standard?
	America first for every country, but not Israel.
	Free marketplace of ideas, but not for Israel.
	And if you talk about it, they call you a Nazi.
	Isn't that the same suppression tactic of the left?
	And then I thought, you know, maybe there's something more to the story here.
	Because they also call you a Nazi if you're pro-white.
	The other reason they call you a Nazi is if you like white people too much, if you like blonde hair, blue eyed, if you have this like fetish for racial purity, if you want to have white children, if you want America to be a white country, if you think that white people are special, they say you're a white.
	So it's also it's white supremacy and it's being against Jewish people.
	But I started to think, wait a second, you know, I'm not in favor of a Holocaust.
	At the same time, Jewish people do seem to have a lot of power, and white people do seem to be special.
	And then I thought, maybe they're calling us Nazis to steer us away from the truth.
	They're calling us a name.
	They've programmed us so that any time we step over this line and think, you know what?
	We do support Israel too much.
	They hit us with Nazi.
	Every time we say, you know what?
	White people are special.
	I want this country to be white.
	I think we are unique.
	White people are beautiful and white people are intelligent.
	They hit us with Nazi.
	And then I started to think, well, maybe everything we know about the Nazis should be questioned also.
	In the same way that Israel being our closest ally is a mantra, maybe so is this narrative about Hitler and the Nazis.
	Because I started to think, didn't Joseph Stalin kill millions of people?
	Didn't Mao Zedong?
	Didn't Pol Pot have other dictators?
	Didn't the Mongols?
	Didn't Genghis Khan?
	Didn't other leaders throughout history kill millions and invade countries?
	I said, so, you know, what really is going on with the Nazis?
	There have been other dictators.
	There have been other autocratic states.
	Why is Hitler so bad?
	And then you get back to that argument.
	And then you say, wait a second.
	Then you really start to unpackage some of the things that happened during World War II.
	That's beyond the scope of this episode, this stream.
	But you really just start to unravel the whole thing.
	But you have to think critically.
	You can't let them.
	That's why I love people like Ye.
	And people might not understand him and what he does, but you have to break through.
	Those mental barricades that they put up in your life where they say, don't think this, don't say that.
	You have to be able to ask and answer questions.
	And this is one of those cases where it's like, Israel spying on our country is obviously not good for us.
	Can we ask that?
	Or are we Jew-aders for asking the damn question?
	That's how they play, though.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And like the question, Israel spies on us.
		Well, so does every other country.
		Why are you mad at Israel?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I guess, no, no, no, I'm hardly the one who's...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Have you?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Taken money from the Israel.
unidentified		Wait, wait.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I love that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It's the obsession with Israel.
		Okay, but I think a lot of people are.
		And like the question, Israel spies on us.
		Well, so does every other country.
		Why are you mad at Israel?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		I'm hardly the one who's...
		Have you?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Taking money from the Israelites.
		So AIPAC raises a lot of money for me, but it's actually a misnomer because the people who raise money are individuals.
		So it's not the PAC itself, but they're individual members who believe in the American-Israeli friendship and relationship.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is AIPAC a foreign lobby?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, it's an American lobby.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It's the AIPAC stands for the America Israeli Political Action.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What is it lobby for?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So, to be honest, not a whole lot effectively.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Listen.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What?
		What?
		The American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbies for nothing.
		What does AIPAC lobby for?
		Not a whole lot.
		Do you see that face he made?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Israeli political action.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What is it lobby for?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So, to be honest, not a whole lot effectively.
unidentified		Not a whole lot.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What is the Israel lobby lobby for?
unidentified		Nothing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
		What is the oil and gas lobby lobby for?
		Nothing.
		You know, a bunch of little stuff over here.
		What is the gun lobby lobby for?
unidentified		Nothing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What is the Israel lobby lobby for?
unidentified		Nothing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They just give money for no reason.
		Not a whole lot, he says.
		It's so crazy.
		And they called me a hater for years.
		Do you understand?
		And I want to make this personal because it is personal for me.
		They ruined my life for saying this.
		They literally ruined my life over this conversation because I was 18, patriotic, I love America, I love Trump.
		And I enthusiastically voted for Trump as a college freshman to say America first.
		And then I discovered the Israel lobby.
		And I said, what is the Israel lobby lobby for?
		Why do we give them so much money?
		Why do we fight their wars?
		How is that consistent with America first?
		And as an 18-year-old patriot, they said, you're a Jew hater, you're a Nazi, you're an anti-Semite, and you'll never work again.
		And for my entire adult life, literally for eight years, that reputational destruction has followed me.
		I lost all my friends from high school.
		And people make fun of me.
		I'm not playing the world's smallest violin, but this is the human cost.
		This is the human toll of this ridiculous situation.
		You know, because they called me a Nazi and because I was branded that in the Chicago Tribune and in Media Matters and by these publications.
		My best friends I went to high school with, they saw that and said, we don't want to talk to this guy anymore.
		And at college, people were talking about beating me up on campus and saying, if I see that kid with his MAGA hat, I'm going to knock him out and all this kind of stuff.
		I couldn't get jobs places because of the reputational destruction.
		And people said, he's a Nazi piece of shit.
		No one wanted to work with me for years.
		I got fired from RSBN.
		I got banned from PayPal, YouTube, you name it, all of it.
		They ruined my life over this.
		And now here we are, nearly a decade later, the better part of a decade later, and Tucker asks the sitting U.S. Senator from Texas, what is the Israel lobby lobby for?
unidentified		Nothing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Does anybody believe that?
		Does that even make sense?
		Seriously.
		I think a 10-year-old could see what's happening here.
		What is the Israel lobby lobby for?
		Oh, nothing.
		That is the edifice of lies.
		The matrix which ruined my life that made everyone think I'm a horrible person.
		That made everybody think that I'm a vicious, horrible person.
		The way people talk about me, he's trash.
		He's a terrible human being.
		He's evil.
		He's the worst person in the world.
		This edifice of lies created that reputation for me that I have had to live in.
		And when you ask them point blank, is it good for Israel to spy on America in an adversarial way?
		Sure, but everybody does it.
		What does the Israel lobby lobby for?
		Oh, nothing.
		That's who lied about me.
		And, you know, once again, I'm not expecting people to feel sorry for me, but this is what these people have done for a hundred years.
		For a hundred years.
		They did it to Henry Ford.
		They did it to Charles Lindbergh.
		They did it to Mel Gibson, Michael Jackson, the artist formerly known as Kanye West.
		They have done this to people for a hundred years, Father Charles Coughlin.
		For a hundred years, these people have destroyed the reputations of good Americans, Christians, because they dared to ask the same question based on a lie.
		This is the big lie.
		This is your grand deception.
		And finally, we're at a point where a high-ranking official is confronted by a high-ranking journalist and they just say, hey, what is the Israel lobby lobby for?
		Oh, I don't know.
		Nothing, really.
		Seriously?
		That's the best you got?
		That's what this has all been for?
		Israel's our closest ally.
		We need to go to war in Iraq.
		Anti-Semitism at an all-time high.
		I mean, and at the center of it, this is the non-existent center.
		So I hope this has reverberations.
		I hope people are waking up and the ramifications of this will ripple across society.
		And they should.
		Ideas have consequences.
		And once people start to look at this kind of stuff, These narratives about the Holocaust and anti-Semitism and Nazis and Israel's our closest ally.
		Once people start to hear that shit and roll their eyes and say, yeah, right.
		Once people start to see this stuff about anti-Semitism's at an all-time high and people go, oh, really?
		Sure it is.
		It's another Holocaust.
unidentified		Oh, Israel's under attack.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Once people start to see the contradictions.
		And the lies, the hollowness at the center of it, hopefully there's going to be reverberations as people wake up and realize it's all fake.
		Hopefully it has political consequences.
		By the way, that's why Israel's making their play now.
		That's one of the reasons.
		Because they know this is like a house of cards falling in slow motion.
		And in 10, 20 years, there will be no constituency in America that supports Israel.
		That's why they're getting ready to decouple from the United States, because they know that's coming.
		And it's sort of like the grift is up.
		The jig is up, and it's time to beat it to another town, because the goyim no.
		We woke up.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I came into Congress 13 years ago with the stated intention of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate.
		I've worked every day to do that.
		APAC, a lot of times...
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Hang on, wait, let's go back and just listen to that one more time.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		The stated intention of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate.
		I've worked every day to do that.
		APAC, a lot of times...
		AIPAC, I wish, were much more effective.
		Like, there are folks online who are in the fever swamp of terrified of AIPAC, and AIPAC...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're the one who seems a little uncomfortable when I'm asking this.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, not uncomfortable at all.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm just asking what APEC does.
		My understanding, having known a lot of people who work with APEC, is that it lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government.
		Oh, okay.
		America has thousands of colleges and universities, and a lot of them, unfortunately, are basically just scammed.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Tucker says APEC lobbies on behalf of Israel.
unidentified		Wrong.
unidentified		What is it for?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So the whole thing is so crazy.
		And by the way, for people that are not red-pilled or are just getting red-pilled, isn't it such a shock?
		Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
		Once you hear it, you can't unhear it.
		And it's almost hard to remember how you ever fell for this.
		Once you see how ubiquitous it is, how oppressive the lies are.
		How over the top it is.
		You can't, you can never go back.
		You know, what is it?
		What does AIPAC lobby for?
		Oh, nothing.
		They lobby for the Israeli government.
		False.
		No, they don't.
unidentified		What?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Then they say it with a straight face.
		It's like being outside of a cult.
		It's like, it's like being outside of North Korea.
		Hey, doesn't, doesn't, uh, isn't North Korea dictatorship?
		No, absolutely not.
		No, no, this is a great country.
		The best country ever.
		It's like that guy that stands outside the Scientology clinic on Hollywood Boulevard.
		Where they like close the doors when they see him coming.
		You ever see that live streamer?
		What is AIPAC lobby for?
unidentified		Nothing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		How about Israel?
		No, absolutely not.
		What?
		You are brainwashed.
		Or you're an agent of the Matrix.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Which is freedom is good.
		Christianity is good.
		Markets are good.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's so crazy.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And they make this country better by raising well-educated students.
		We endorse this.
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nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Go to TuckerForHillsdale.com Hillsdale's totally pro-Israel, by the way.
		I don't know why.
		You know, that's why I don't trust Tucker.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		TuckerForHillsdale.com to enroll for free.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		When was the last time AIPAC took a position that deviated from Prime Minister Netanyahu?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		All the time.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Anyone?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Let me go back and give a little history.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Name one.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk about something else, literally.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		All the time.
		Okay.
		Let me go back and give a little history.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's like when you get in an argument with like a woman and they say, you always do this.
		You do this every time.
		And you're like, really?
		Name one example.
		And they're like, I can't think of one.
		You just do.
		And by a woman, I mean my mom.
		You know, when I get in an argument with like my mom or like anybody for that matter, you do this all the time.
		This is what you always do.
		Oh, really?
		Give me one example.
		When has AIPAC ever gone against Israel?
		All the time.
		Okay, well, name one example.
		Let's talk about something else now.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Deep dive on AIPAC.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		I want to do a shallow dive.
		I want to get to the core question.
		AIPAC is lobbying for a foreign government.
		It's not.
		It's lobbying for the United States.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It is lobbying for a strong U.S.-Israeli relationship.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And who does that benefit?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So it has nothing to do with the foreign government.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It wants America and Israel to be closely allied.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but it's lobbying on behalf of the interests of another country.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So that's not true at all.
		It's not true.
		No.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How much contact do you think AIPAC leaders have with the government of Israel?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No idea.
		I imagine some.
		I think the government of Israel is often frustrated with AIPAC because AIPAC's not nearly strong enough.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do you think there's any coordination between the government of Israel and AIPAC?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Do they talk?
		Sure.
		If you're lobbying for more U.S.-Mexico trade, would you talk to people in the U.S. and Mexico and the government?
		Sure.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So I'm not mad about that.
		There are a million countries that lobby Washington.
		I like a lot of those countries, including Israel.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but APEC or Americans?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		They're not Israelis.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		There are tons of Americans who lobby on behalf of foreign governments.
		I know them.
		I'm related to some of them.
		I know how it works.
		I'm from here.
		So my question is not, is it outrageous that foreign governments lobby the United States?
		They all do, including Israel.
		My only question is, why don't we admit that is what's happening?
		You're denying it, but it's true.
		Because what you're saying is false.
		Why aren't they registered as a foreign lobby?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Because they're not.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		They're not a foreign lobby.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And there's a fever swamp.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Look, it's not a fever swamp.
		These are very reasonable questions.
		And you've accused me of being obsessed with Israel, which I'm not.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I actually haven't.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I've said isolationists are.
		And I'm being feverish about it, which I'm not at all.
		I find it's a very tender spot when you ask it, and I don't know why.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So, Tucker, all right, let's go back.
		I was first elected to the Senate in 2012.
		I came in.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I just want to clarify before they move on.
		You know, when they say, well, AIPAC isn't lobbying for the Israeli government because it's in America.
		Okay, they are American Jews that are connected to the state of Israel, lobbying on Israel's behalf.
		And they say, oh, well, because they have U.S. citizenship, in many cases they're dual citizens.
		In many cases they're citizens in Israel.
		They have houses in Israel.
		They live part-time in Israel.
		Or they're loyal to Israel.
		In many cases, they serve in the IDF or they desire to serve in the IDF.
		They get buried in Israel.
		But because they technically live here, they say, oh, well, it's not a foreign lobby.
		Like Sheldon Adelson, for example.
		Sheldon Adelson was born in America, technically an American, and he gave hundreds of millions of dollars to politicians.
		And they say, well, that's an American lobbying.
		It's an interest-based lobby.
		He likes Israel.
		He wants to support Israel.
		But that has nothing to do with the government of Israel because of his citizenship.
		But Sheldon Adelson was a single-issue voter.
		When he died, his body was flown to Israel and buried there.
		His casket was greeted on the tarmac by Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel.
		He said in a speech he wished he had served in the IDF.
		The Israeli Defense Forces.
		And they'll say, that's an American.
		They'll say, that guy was an American who lobbied because he just happened to like Israel.
		No, he's working and coordinating with the Israeli government.
		He was friends with Netanyahu.
		He would have dinner with politicians and Netanyahu in Israel.
		And really, that gets to the heart of it.
		Which is that the reason that Israel, and think of it this way.
		Why?
		Why is Israel so effective at spying on the United States?
		Why is Israel so effective at lobbying in the United States?
		It's because unlike every other country, Israel has powerful members of its nation, the Jewish nation, living in the United States, having lived here for generations.
		And they may have been born here and grown up here and have citizenship here, but they are loyal to Israel.
		And they look white.
		And they sound white, and they change their names to sound like white names.
		But they still retain this tribal loyalty to Israel.
		And that is how Israel is so effective at lobbying our government, spying on our government, because these Jews, they may be born here and grown up here and change their names and all the rest, but when they make it to Washington or New York or L.A., the powerful cities, these loci of powers, of power in elite society, whether it's Entertainment, government, finance.
		They retain that loyalty to Israel.
		And they'll be passing along information to Israel, to Israeli spies.
		They'll covertly work for Israel.
		They'll be lobbying on behalf of Israel, covertly.
		And they'll say, well, I'm an American.
		And so AIPAC's a perfect example.
		AIPAC was born from the American Zionist Council.
		The American Zionist Council was born in Israel.
		And it worked with the early Zionist movement and then the Israeli government.
		Jack Kennedy was going to force the American Zionist Council to register under FARA because it was from a foreign government, funded by a foreign government, lobbying America on behalf of that government.
		JFK was going to say you have to register as a foreign lobby.
		So then the American Zionist Council reorganized and they took their American lobbying activities and they put it under AIPAC.
		And they only had American citizens doing the lobbying.
		It was an accounting trick.
		It was a clerical trick.
		They filed the papers in a different way.
		It's the same group.
		It's the same lobby.
		They still receive support and coordination with the Israeli state.
		But now they're doing it in concert with their American allies.
		And then they say it's not a forum lobby.
		Then they say they don't lobby on behalf of Israel.
		They don't work with the Israeli state because technically it's Americans.
		And that's the same reason they're able to be aggressive at spying.
		The same reason they're able to be aggressive in government.
	And that is the transnational Jewish nation, which is at the center of it.
	This is why I say it's bigger than Zionism.
	It's bigger than just Israel.
	Because it is the transnational nature, transnational meaning across all nations, or even two nations for that matter.
	It is the transnational nature of the Jewish nation.
	They're a diasporic people.
	For thousands of years, they had no homeland.
	They were stateless.
	They lived in Germany, France, Russia, England, Italy, the United States, and all the colonies of those European countries.
	They lived in Portugal and Spain, so they lived in Brazil and in Mexico.
	They lived in England, so they lived in the United States and India.
	They lived in...
	Why was the Rothschild banking family so powerful?
	Because of their intelligence network.
	Because one family had descendants in every capital, in Paris, in London, in Brussels, in Berlin, in Rome.
	And they all knew each other because they were stateless.
	You know, an Italian couldn't go to Germany because he's Italian.
	A German couldn't go to France because he's German.
	but a Jew could go anywhere because whether he's in Germany, France, Italy, or London, he's still a Jew.
	So the Rothschild banking family in the 19th century sent their sons to every one of the major European capitals.
	And it was that Because they had the better intel network, because they had a truly transnational network of people because of their statelessness, because they're diasporic, because they're transnational.
	Are you understanding?
	That's why they're good at banking.
	That's why they're good at trade.
	That's why they're good at lobbying.
	That's why they're good at spying.
	Because they're a transnational entity.
	Before Israel was even created.
	And now that Israel's created, that's just their home base.
	Now that Israel's been created, that just gives them land to conduct their activities.
	They built a state.
	With nuclear bombs and a military, a security apparatus, the ability to tax, the ability to trade, to build infrastructure, that's just their home base.
	But they still maintain those connections everywhere, and that's what gives them an advantage.
	And so it's like playing a team game, but you have people from the other team wearing your jersey.
	You know, if Europe, if Rome and Christendom, if we're playing against Israel in a football game or a soccer game or a baseball game, and we are only playing on our team, we're wearing the red jersey, they're wearing the blue jersey, some of them are wearing our jersey, and they're kicking our players, they're knocking over the water bowl or the water bucket, they're sabotaging our team, they're kicking the ball in our own goal.
	They change their name.
	They change their uniform.
	They look like they're playing for our team, but they're really playing for the other team.
	That's what gives them an advantage.
	That's what's always given them an advantage in those domains.
	That is the essence.
	When you talk about the Jewish question or the Jewish issue, that's the essence of it.
	It is that.
	And people need to understand that that's at the core of it.
	As opposed to, oh, you know, it's just Israel.
	Oh, it's that, you know, Netanyahu is a bad guy.
	It's like, no.
	They've been running this game on us for hundreds of years, and that's how they've been able to do it.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		In Obama's second term.
		And I actually saw AIPAC be badly wounded in a way they never came back from.
		And the second term is when Obama did the Iran nuclear deal.
		And the Iran nuclear deal, I think, was catastrophic.
		And AIPAC went all in lobbying against it.
		Yeah.
		They failed.
		And I was the leading opponent of the Iran nuclear deal.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		They definitely failed, yes.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		They failed.
		And what happened, the Obama White House told every Democrat.
		When I got here, there used to be real bipartisan support for Israel.
		That has largely disappeared.
		And it's the Obama nuclear deal that caused it, because the Obama White House told every Democrat, pick.
		You either stand with Israel, or you're a Democrat and you stand with the Obama White House.
		and almost every single Democrat member of Congress said, I'm a Democrat first, to hell with Israel.
		And then I watched as AIPAC...
		And it dramatically reduced AIPAC's influence.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I watched it happen.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, I told AIPAC, I said, look, the analogy, if the NRA was supporting a bunch of politicians and cared about the Second Amendment, and you had politicians that vote to confiscate people's guns, and the NRA turned around and raised money for the people who voted to confiscate guns?
		You know what?
		No one would ever care what they said again.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Sue, you're making the case that AIPAC is not as powerful as people say it is, and I completely agree with you.
		I've watched that, and I'm not making the case that AIPAC is all-powerful and they're running everything and putting fluoride in the water.
		I'm not making the case at all, because it's not true.
		I'm only trying to get to the question of what AIPAC is, and I don't think you're making sense.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I love that, oh, they're putting fluoride in the water.
		I don't like that.
		I don't like that little diss.
		Is anyone saying they're putting fluoride in the water?
		I'm not aware of that.
		I really don't like when people say, oh, you know, there's some people that blame Jews for everything, like if they slipped on a banana peel.
		I don't think anyone's saying that.
		I think people are saying that they're very powerful.
		And Tucker, up until two years ago, or even a year ago, never said anything about AIPAC.
		This is brand new.
		Find me a video where Tucker is criticizing Israel this intensely prior to 2024.
		You can't do it.
		Now he wants to draw the line and say, oh, well, you know, I'm moderately criticizing AIPAC.
		All those other people are crazy.
		I don't like that.
		You know, Tucker has been in the CIA.
		His dad's in the CIA.
		He didn't know about Israel.
		I don't believe that.
		Of course he knows about Israel.
		He omitted that from all of his journalism and all of his punditry for 25 years, literally until last year.
		He started his journalistic career in the mid-90s, and he's been a journalist ever since.
		On CNN, on MSNBC, on Fox News, in Arkansas, in various places.
		And he has never said anything about Israel until last year.
		And he should know better because, like he said, his relatives, people he's related to, were involved in the CIA, bringing down the Soviet Union, involved in foreign lobbies.
		So you can't plead the fifth.
		You can't plead ignorance.
		He knew what was going on.
		And yet, not until last year did he say one thing.
		Now he wants to say, oh, well, you know, I'm not saying they put fluoride in the water.
		I don't know who's saying that.
		But some people have been on this for a lot longer, and, you know, Tucker was never really on their side.
		So, sort of interesting.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		straightforward about it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		AIPAC is lobbying on behalf of AIPAC.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Someone says, when Nicholas calls them diasporic, he means they are nomadic.
		No fucktard.
		I mean, they're diaspora people.
		Nomadic means they move to different places.
		Diasporic means...
		They're in a diaspora.
		They were sent out of Israel in the second century after the third Jewish rebellion, and they're in the Jewish diaspora or diaspora.
		In Europe, in the United States, they're not nomadic.
		Many of them stay in one place for a long period of time.
		What makes them diasporic is that they don't have a homeland or didn't have a homeland until 1948 and shortly before that when they started populating Israel.
		So, no, I don't mean nomadic.
		They're not like gypsies.
		The problem is not that they pick up.
		Many of them live in New York and Miami and L.A. for a long period of time, and many of them live in London for a long period of time.
		The problem is that because they're stateless, they're all over the place.
		They're across borders.
		They're a transnational nation.
		They have a transnational nationality.
		So no, I don't mean that, dummy.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Half of the interests of a foreign country and they're not registered.
		And you're saying, no, that's not true.
		You're saying that they don't coordinate with the Israeli government.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I coordinate.
		Do they talk with them?
		I don't know what they do.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But why don't you care?
		Isn't it meaningful if a foreign government...
		Of course you do.
		But the law is, and a lot of people have been prosecuted under this law, that if you are lobbying on behalf of a foreign government, you must register.
		That's it.
		It's really simple and I don't know why if I'm working from Malaysia or Qatar or Belgium, I have to register under the Foreign Agent Registration Act, and if I don't, I can go to jail.
		People have gone to jail, including people I know.
		So I don't understand why we don't just be honest and say they're lobbying on behalf of foreign government, they're coordinating with the government.
		You know that that's true?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That is not only not true, that is false.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		They're not coordinating with the Israeli government?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how AIPAC raises money?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		For elected officials, like what they do, like what the actual mechanics is?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they go to people who are sympathetic to Israel and raise money and then send it to candidates who agree with them.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So what they'll do is, so in my last election, APAC endorsed me.
		And they'll host a fundraiser.
		They'll host a fundraiser in Dallas or Houston or Atlanta or New York or L.A. And they'll do a fundraiser and they'll get someone who'll host it.
		And it's usually a business owner, lawyer, doctor, someone who hosts it.
		And you'll get typically at an APAC fundraiser.
		30, 40, 50, maybe 100 people who live in that city who care about a strong U.S.-Israel relationship.
		And if they have 50 people, each of them writes $1,000 check, and you raise $50,000.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I've been to an APEC fundraiser.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I know what it looks like.
		And by the way, there's no representative of the Israeli government there.
		You have when you're in Dallas, you're meeting.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I know all this.
		I know all this.
		The question is, are APEC's goals shaped by the goals of the Israeli government to any extent?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's different from lobbying on behalf of.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's a simple question.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		How is that different?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Are AIPAC's goals shaped by the goals of the Israeli government?
		And I'm just going to ask you a question straightforwardly.
		And if you say no, I think we both know that's not true.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Are they shaped by?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Are they coordinating with the Israeli government?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Are they talking with them?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Israel directing them.
		You want to talk about Farah, the law on lobbying on behalf of someone?
		It is, I hire you and you lobby on behalf of me.
		I direct you.
		Does Israel direct AIPAC?
		No, they're not lobbying on behalf of them.
		Do they care about them?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but do you think that it's just That is absolutely insane that he would even sit there and try and make that distinction.
		Of course, AIPAC.
		AIPAC is one of the largest lobbying groups on behalf of Israel.
		They're not coordinating.
		First of all, we know they are because of where they come from and revelations that have come out since then.
		To even suggest that and to adamantly say, no, no, that's absolutely false.
		It's just so insane.
		Does anybody really believe that?
		I don't know how somebody could even say that with a straight face.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Because what you're now describing in a very defensive way, I will say, is foreign influence over our politics.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And you began, and it's so transparently obvious to everybody.
		I don't know why you'd be embarrassed of it.
		You said that you are sincerely for Israel.
		I believe you.
		I don't think you have some weird agenda.
		You seem to be sincere.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		By the way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing.
		The obsession with Israel.
		When we're talking about foreign countries, you're not talking about Chinese.
		You're not talking about Japanese.
		You're not talking about the British.
		You're not talking about the French.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And then you get this diversion.
		Then, when the conversation isn't going the way they like, then you get this diversion.
		Oh, well, you're just obsessed with Israel.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		What about the Jews?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		What about the Jews?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And then it turns into a Jew thing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What about the Jews?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Senator, you're asking the question, Tucker.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		You're asking, why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That's what you just asked.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I am hardly saying that.
		That is exactly what you just said.
		Well, actually I can speak for myself and tell you what I am saying.
		On behalf, not simply of myself, but on my many Jewish friends who would have the same questions, which is to what extent, and I, I did not.
		Of course you are.
		And rather than be honorable enough to say it right to my face, you are in a sleazy, feline way implying it or just asking questions about the Jews.
		I'm not asking questions about the Jews.
		It has to do with a foreign government.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Isn't Israel controlling our foreign policy?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That's not about the Jews.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You said, I'm asking you.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, you're the one that just called me, I think, a sleazy feline.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So let's be clear.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's sleazy to imply that I'm an anti-Semite, which you just did.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, I just said, why is that the only question you're asking?
		You answer it.
		Give me another reason.
		If you're not an anti-Semite, give me another reason why the obsession is Israel.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear this?
		Look at this rat.
		Look at this cornered rat.
		You take money from a foreign lobby.
		You say you don't know what the Israel lobby lobbies for.
		Israel, obviously.
		He's cornered.
		You don't think they coordinate with the Israeli government?
		They're not lobbying on behalf of Israel?
		And he turns it around and says, you're saying the Jews control our foreign policy.
		Why would you say that unless you're an anti-Semite?
		Look at how defensive.
		Look at how irrational.
		Look at how worked up he gets.
		And starts flying.
		You're saying the Jews control our foreign policy?
		This is what we've been dealing with.
		Do you know how insane that sounds?
		Do you know how insane that is?
		And these are the maniacs that have been running our society for a hundred years.
		Do you know how powerful these maniacs are?
		By the way, this is Ari Emanuel.
		This is Jonathan Greenblatt.
		This is Sheldon Adelson.
		This is the ADL.
		This is AIPAC.
		These are the biggest producers in the music industry, the biggest directors in Hollywood, the biggest billionaires on Wall Street.
		This is Ronald Lauder.
		This is Bill Ackman.
		This is Larry Fink.
		These are the people that run the talent agencies for all the stars.
		These are the people that run the Federal Reserve up until 2018 or 2019.
		They're exactly like this.
		When AIPAC hosts a fundraiser with 100 doctors, lawyers, businessmen that are going to cut a big check to support Israel in every major city in Dallas and D.C. and New York and L.A., the people that are running our society, they're all like this.
		They all act like this.
		If you would go to L.A. and meet with any of the big producers, the big directors, the big talent agents, this is how they would sound.
		What are you, an anti-Semite?
		What are you, a rabid anti-Semite?
		You think the Jews control our foreign policy?
		That's an anti-Semitic trope, and you sound like a Jew hater.
		You're with the Democrats.
		You're with Iran.
		You're with the terrorists.
		That is what they would say.
		If you went to New York and you met with Larry Fink of BlackRock, the largest asset manager in the world.
		If you met with Bill Ackman, Harvard alum, head of Apollo.
		And you said what Tucker is saying.
		They would say the same thing.
		They'd say, you're like a Hitler, you're like a Nazi, you're like a Hitler, and you don't care about the Holocaust.
		They would say the same thing.
		So, you know, when you think about it, when you watch this interview, there's something amusing about it.
		It's sort of amusing when you see Ted Cruz, who's a Gentile, and you see him get defensive when he's cornered and you see him make these like ridiculous.
		I mean, it sounds insane.
		It sounds like a histrionic, pathologically paranoid, insane person.
		It sounds like a cult.
		When he turns it around and says, the Israel lobby lobbies on behalf of Israel?
unidentified		False.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		False, and you're an anti-Semite for saying it.
		It sounds like they're a maniac in a cult.
		And yet, all of the powerful people in our country believe that and are like that.
		And they are absolutely powerful.
		Billionaires, hedge fund managers, asset managers, talent agents, producers, directors, politicians and billionaires, mayors of major cities, governors of major states.
		And they all believe that.
		And if...
		They will utterly destroy you.
		They lash out.
		Oh, well, what is the expression?
		They cry out as they strike you.
		And that's exactly what happened to Kanye West.
		That's exactly what happened to Ye three years ago when Ye started to say, I think Jared Kushner's just with Israel.
		I think Jews invented cancel culture.
		That's exactly what they did to him.
		Ari Emanuel pulled his contract, got him canceled.
		They got Adidas to drop him.
		He lost multiple, multi-billion dollar deals.
		His agent dropped him.
		Adidas froze his money.
		Apple Music froze his money.
		JP Morgan froze his bank accounts.
		They banned him on Instagram.
		They banned him on Twitter.
		This is a cultural icon, a billionaire, one of the most recognizable people in this century.
		And they reduced him to a hotel room.
		He couldn't even find a lawyer at one time with his wife and with a small team overnight because he criticized them.
		They cried out as they struck him.
		Oy vey, it's another Holocaust.
		He's an anti-Semite.
		While they ruined his life.
		These are the people running our society.
		Are you beginning to understand our predicament?
		This is who's running the Trump administration.
		This is who is running the Biden administration.
		So, you know, if this sounds insane, if Ted Cruz sounds like an insane maniac, understand that is the disposition of some of the most powerful people in America and in the world, and they will hurt you.
		They will hurt you.
		If you ask questions like Tucker is asking.
		So you think it's funny, it's almost amusing, but it's not a game.
		This is what they do until they extract an apology and a book report from a Holocaust museum and a donation.
		It's insane.
		That's our country.
		And once you see it, you can't unsee it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm in no sense obsessed with Israel.
		We are on the brink of war with Iran, and so these are valid questions.
		If I can finish, you asked me.
		Why I'm obsessed with Israel.
		Three minutes after telling me that when you first ran for Congress, you elucidated one of your main goals, which is to defend Israel.
		And I'm the one who's obsessed with Israel.
		I don't see a lawmaker's job as defending the interests of a foreign government, period.
		Any government, including the ones that my ancestors come from.
		So that's my position.
		That does not make me an anti-Semite.
		And shame on you for suggesting otherwise, and I mean that.
		And that's low, and you know it's low.
		So why don't you just answer my questions in a straightforward, rational way.
		You certainly have the IQ to do it.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Shame on you is cute, by the way, Tucker.
unidentified		It is.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's not cute.
		I'm offended.
		I'm obsessed with the Jews.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		You just called me a sleazy feline.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It is sleazy to imply that I'm an anti-Semite for asking questions about how my government is wrong.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to count how many questions you asked about?
		What about the Jews?
		What about Israel?
		What about Iraq?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I never asked about the Jews.
		This has nothing to do with the Jews, whatever that means.
		This has to do with a foreign government.
		And once again, shame on you for conflating the two.
		They have nothing to do with each other.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		the Israel and Jews have nothing to do with each other.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		All Jews are an attack on all Jews, which I am not, nor would I...
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And this is where, you know, fine, if Tucker is like, you know, and people say, well, you know, he's got to be incremental about it.
		But obviously, it has everything to do with the Jews.
		I mean, not to be that guy, but...
		And that has everything to do with why they have this outsized influence.
		It has everything to do with why they have effective spying.
		Of course it does.
		The reason they created Israel was it's inherently connected to Judaism.
		Why did they put the state of Israel in Palestine?
		Because of their Jewishness.
		They didn't set up Israel in Australia like they talked about, or Zimbabwe or Uruguay, or in Eastern Russia, the Russian Far East.
		They put it in Palestine because of their Jewishness.
		And the reason they needed to create a nation was in response to anti-Semitism because of their Jewishness.
		So, of course, it has everything to do with that.
		And, you know, maybe Tucker doesn't want to go there for one reason or another, but I'm not Tucker.
		And, you know, I know what I'm about.
		And I will tell you, you know, like Ted Cruz said, oh, Israel has nothing to do with the Jews.
		Now who's being, now who's in denial?
		And, you know, it's sort of funny how on both sides, even though Tucker is really pressing and I appreciate that, he's still a part of the same matrix.
		You understand?
		Now Tucker's the one that sounds crazy.
		Israel has nothing to do with the Jews.
		Really?
		Israel has nothing to do?
		What is Israel then?
		What is it?
		Well, it's a foreign government.
unidentified		Okay, but of who?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's like saying Russia has nothing to do with the Russians, or China has nothing to do with the Chinese.
		France has nothing to do with the French.
		Israel has nothing to do with the Jews or Judaism.
		The Vatican has nothing to do with Catholicism?
		Of course it does!
		Why is the Vatican in Rome?
		Like, why is Israel in Palestine?
		Because it descends from ancient Israel.
		So, now who sounds crazy, you know?
		And again, maybe Tucker is denying that for tactical reasons, ideological reasons, who knows?
		But we can speculate on that.
		I have my theory.
		But understand how this topic makes everybody sounds crazy.
		Isn't that interesting?
		That me, the guy that is the furthest on the fringe, you know, people would say that I am the most out there critic of Israel and the Jews.
		And yet, I'm the only one that sounds sane on this issue.
		I would contend.
		I think that if you sat me down with Ted Cruz or Tucker Carlson or Dave Smith or any of them, I think I would sound the most rational and the most logical and have the most facts.
		And maybe that sounds hard to believe.
		Maybe you find that hard to believe.
		But in this case, here, you know, this subject is making fools of them both.
		Ted Cruz has to say, I don't know what the Israel lobbies for.
		And Tucker Carlson has to say, Israel has nothing to do with the Jews at all.
		It's a completely different subject.
		Obviously, both of those things are inherent contradictions.
		And this topic makes fools out of everybody because everybody is – They're afraid of being called anti-Semitic, being canceled, being perceived a particular way, and that speaks to their influence and their power, even over somebody that ostensibly is a critic.
		So anyway, I just find that interesting because I saw this part and I was like, wait a second.
		The Jews have nothing to do with Israel.
		And that's not being nitpicky because, again, I'm not trying to be picky here and say, oh, well, you know, I'm the true Scotsman or something.
		I'm the only one that's pure.
		Like I have illustrated before, it is their Jewishness which is really at the heart.
		I mean, that is the defining characteristic, which is why they are so effective at lobbying.
		You want to talk about the Israel lobby?
		Why are they technically American?
		Why is it particularly effective?
		It's because of their Jewishness.
		That's the characteristic that makes it effective.
		And the same goes, by the way, for the spying.
		Why are they good spies?
		Because they're ethnically Jewish.
		They're in the security apparatus.
		They feed information to Israel.
		And if you criticize that or try to stuff that out, they say it's anti-Semitism.
		Why is that such a potent critique?
		Because of the Holocaust.
		Why is the Holocaust unique?
		Because of the Jews.
		So it does kind of have everything to do with that.
		But nobody wants to go there because that's perceived as extreme or too out there.
		But the farther out you go, the closer you get actually to a logical position.
		And by the way, Jews wouldn't disagree.
		They just brag about it instead.
		I criticize that they brag about it.
		Jews will freely admit this.
		Beaming with pride.
		But if you have a problem with it, well, then you're a conspiracy theorist and an anti-Semite, right?
		I mean, that's also the dynamic.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		...ever be undertaken now.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		By the way, that's who Iran wants to kill, is all the Jews and all the Americans.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And I'm totally opposed to that, okay?
		But now because specific decisions need to be made.
		We can talk about those decisions.
		But I just want to get a sense of whether you think, having described yourself as an America first person whose only criterion for judgment on foreign policy is America's national interest, to what extent you're influenced by a foreign government, which gives you a lot of money through its lobby, and you're claiming this has nothing to do with the foreign government.
		They're not courted, and yes, they're spying on us, but it doesn't bother you.
		And I'm sort of wondering, like, what is this?
		This is one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had.
		I'll tell you what, and I'll answer any question you like, but let's try to read it.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Let's try to ratchet down the temperature a little.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're the one who went to motive.
		I'm asking honest questions.
		Just asking questions.
		Yes, that is what I'm doing.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Let's try to ratchet down the temperature a little bit.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Picture the house of your dreams.
		Maybe it's got an outdoor.
		Wireless.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Great movie.
		It's actually a fun comedy about politics.
		And Eddie Murphy in the movie is a con man who gets elected to Congress.
		And he's literally a con man who the congressman dies.
		He has the same name.
		And so he runs and they get elected.
		And there's a scene in the movie where Eddie Murphy is a freshman member of Congress.
		And he's sitting down with a sleazy lobbyist.
		And he's asking the lobbyist, all right, what should my positions be on?
		I think they were talking about power plants and electrical transmission lines.
		And the lobbyist is like, well, what do you believe?
		And Eddie Murphy's comment said, I don't care.
		Whatever gets me the most money.
		I'll do whatever gets me the most money.
		And the lobbyist says, no, no.
		Pick a side.
		Doesn't matter what you pick.
		If you pick one side, we'll go shake down everyone who supports that side and they'll give you money.
		If you pick the other side, that's fine.
		We'll just go to the other side and shake down that.
		That's a little bit the way it works, and you often get – And that actually is backwards.
		I believe in the Second Amendment because I believe in the Constitution.
		Now, am I proud that the NRA supports me?
		Sure, because people who care about the Second Amendment want to support leaders who fight for it.
		But it gets it backward.
		Look, AIPAC, when I ran for the Senate, AIPAC didn't support me.
		I supported Israel before they supported me.
		I'm happy to have their support because they share my objective.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, but you're missing it.
		I'm not suggesting that you're bought and paid for.
		I'm not saying that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I think your views are sincere.
		I want to go back and take the transcript because you just said a minute ago, are you, I'm slightly paraphrasing, but are you lobbying for a foreign government because they pay you a lot of money?
		That's basically what you said.
		So you are suggesting that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Let me just be clear about what I think.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Your views seem totally sincere.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You take money from people who agree with you.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I believe that.
		I'm only trying to get to the question.
		To what extent is the U.S. government influenced by other governments?
		And it's a lot.
		It's hardly just Israel.
		It's hardly just Israel.
		I don't think Israel's the main one.
		There are lots of governments.
		China is a massive influence on this city.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And it's a huge role.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		As you know, I couldn't agree more.
		And there are lots of others.
		The U.K., which is a truly sinister place, in my opinion, as an ethnic Brit, I can say.
		I think that's my view.
		Maybe you disagree.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I think they're on the wrong path.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I love the Brits, but their government has gone all the way.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Without even getting into that.
		I'm just saying, I don't think Israel's the only one.
		But it's the only one where you're instantly called an anti-Semite for asking questions.
		And it's also the only government that no one will ever criticize.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		People criticize Israel every minute of every day.
		Like, the only government that people will not criticize?
		Rashida Tlaib just tweeted out calling Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Rashida Tlaib?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		You said no one will criticize.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about Republicans that I would vote for, including you.
		And I'm saying, you know, whatever.
		I don't even like talking about Israel.
		What I care about, I never do, because it's not worth being called anti-Semites from impact recipients.
		But now we are on the verge of joining a war, and...
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		All right, so, and let's get into Iran momentarily, but you suggested it was a strange thing that I said a minute ago that when I came into the Senate, I resolved that I was going to be the leading defender of Israel.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And what you didn't ask is why, so let me tell you why.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, you said I was obsessed with Israel, and you had just told me that, like, your driving motive to get to the Senate was to defend Israel.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, I don't think I'm the one who's obsessed with Israel!
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so, Tucker, words matter.
		And you know that.
		I said I resolved to be the leading defender of Israel, and you said your driving motive, the reason you're in the Senate.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		If you want to be the leading defender of Israel, I would think if I ran for Senate, I'd be like, there are people dying of drug odies on the street.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		My driving motive is to fight for Texas and America and to fight for jobs and to fight for the Constitution.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And you played a very, very careful word game of a lie to you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're the one who said it, not me.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So you still haven't asked why, but I'm going to tell you why.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And the reason is twofold.
		Number one, as a Christian, growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible.
		Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.
		And from my perspective, I want to be on the blessing side of things.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Those who bless the government of Israel?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Those who bless Israel is what it says.
		It doesn't say the government of it, it says the nation of Israel.
		So that's in the Bible.
		As a Christian, I believe that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Where is that?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I can find it to you.
		I don't have the scripture off the tip of mine.
		You pull out the phone and use it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's in Genesis.
		So you're quoting a Bible phrase.
		You don't have context for it.
		You don't know where in the Bible it is, but that's like your theology?
		I'm confused.
		What does that even mean?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Tucker.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm a Christian.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I want to know what you're talking about.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Where does my support for Israel come from?
		Number one, because biblically we are commanded to support Israel.
		But number two.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're a senator, and now you're throwing out theology, and I am a Christian, and I am allowed to weigh in on this.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We are commanded as Christians to support the government of Israel?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We are commanded to support Israel.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean, Israel?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We're told those who bless Israel will be blessed.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		Define Israel.
		This is important.
		Are you kidding?
		This is a majority Christian country.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Define Israel?
		Do you not know what Israel is?
		That would be the country of Africa.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So that's what Genesis, that's what God is talking about?
		The nation of Israel, yes.
		So is that the current borders, the current leadership?
		He's talking about the political entity called Israel?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about the nation of Israel.
		Yeah, nations exist, and he's discussing a nation.
		A nation was the people of Israel.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is the nation God's referring to in Genesis, is that the same as the country run by Benjamin Netanyahu right now?
unidentified		Yes.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It is.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, it's not run by Benjamin Netanyahu as a dictator.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		It's a democratic country that elected...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He's the prime minister.
unidentified		What?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		But just like, you know, America is the country run by Donald Trump.
		No, actually, the American people elected Donald Trump.
		The same principle.
		This is silly.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about the political entity of modern Israel.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that's what God was talking about in Genesis?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I do.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That country's existed since when?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		For thousands of years.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Now, there was a time when it didn't exist and then it was recreated just over 70 years ago.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But I'm saying, I think most people understand that line in Genesis to refer to the Jewish people, God's chosen people.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That's not what it says.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Israel.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But you don't even know where in the Bible it is.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So I don't remember the scriptural citation.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But, okay, I keep...
		But yes, it's in the earlier part of the book.
		But the point is All right, Tucky, you keep interrupting me No, it's just important to know what you're talking about.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not saying that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I'm explaining for me.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This is another sort of semantic thing.
		And it is helpful to point out that a lot of these dispensationalist Christians, evangelical Zionists— There are committed Christians that are pro-Israel that would know the citation, that would be able to explain it, and so on.
		The reason that I kind of disagree with Tucker here is, isn't it sort of a semantic distinction?
		Because if you are a dispensationalist Christian, whether Israel is the Jewish nation or the modern state of Israel, once again, there's sort of this farce that the two have nothing to do with each other.
		Because what Tucker is sort of implying here when he says, oh, well, Israel is supposed to be the modern state of Israel.
		It's like, well, the modern state of Israel is a Jewish state.
		So if you're a Protestant, for example, and you believe that, you know, if you're not a supersessionist and you believe that the Jews still have this role in the history of Revelation and the history of the church and all this.
		And you believe that we need to bless the Jewish nation.
		Well, Israel is inseparable from the Jewish nation.
		If Israel is the seed of Abraham, if it is a tribe of Judah, which the Jews are the descendants of today, and, you know, they're lost, they didn't follow Jesus, but whether they're in the diaspora or whether they're in the Jewish state of Israel, you know, for them it's sort of a distinction without a difference.
		He's trying to introduce this artificial distinction between Jews and Israel where one doesn't exist.
		He said that before.
		You know, Jews have nothing to do with Israel.
		The Israel of the Old Testament has nothing to do with the Israel, the modern state of Israel.
		Here's my point.
		The rebuttal to this issue is that, of course, if you're a Christian, there is a New Testament.
		And the Testament is a covenant.
		The Old Testament, the New Testament, the Old Covenant, the New Covenant.
		And they're the covenants that God made with Noah and with Abraham and with Isaac and so on and with Moses.
		There's a covenant that God made with the Jewish nation and the Jewish kingdom.
		And then there's a covenant that God made with mankind when Jesus Christ arrived in the New Testament, the New Covenant.
		And once Jesus Christ arrived, it changed everything.
		And not only was Israel replaced, not only was the old Israel replaced by the new Israel, that's what my shirt says.
		The old Israel was the Jewish nation.
		The new Israel is the body of the church, the Christians.
		But everything was transformed.
		The old sacrifice of animals was replaced by the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus.
		The old temple, which was in Jerusalem in Israel, was replaced with the new temple, which is the church, which is Jesus.
		The old priestly class was replaced by the new priestly class.
		The old everything was replaced by the new everything.
		And that's why the temple was destroyed.
		The veil was torn.
		The temple was destroyed.
		The Jews were scattered.
		This was all pursuant to what Christ said in the gospel, in the New Testament.
		Because the two could not go on in parallel.
		Temple worship and temple sacrifice in the old Jewish nation, representing that old covenant.
		Could not exist simultaneously parallel with the new covenant, the new temple, the new sacrifice, the new church.
		One had to be destroyed.
		And that's why the Roman Empire destroyed the temple in 70 AD.
		And then in the second century, the Jews were scattered.
		And that's called supersessionism.
		And it recognizes that Christ was who he said he was, which was the Messiah for the Jewish people, and then ultimately for all of mankind.
		What has taken place since Is that the Jewish people, the Pharisees, they were the only survivors.
		The Pharisees who rejected Christ, who accused Christ, and who ultimately led to Christ's crucifixion, they were the only group of the Jews that survived after the calamity, which was the destruction of the temple and the Jewish revolts against the Roman Empire that led to them being expelled.
		And the Pharisees then developed their own distinct religion.
		With the Talmud and then later on with the Zohar, with the Kabbalah in the Middle Ages in the 12th and 13th century.
		And that is now a new religion.
		The Talmud was developed over centuries in the first millennium from the time of the destruction of the temple until the Middle Ages and then was developed by Maimonides and by other Jewish scholars later on.
		And then there was a mystic tradition which was started with some of these Forgeries, they said they came from, you know, the first century, but really they're created in the 12th century in Spain.
		And a mystical tradition was created.
		And then you had Isaac Lurie and other developments off of that.
		And it represents a truly distinct religion.
		And so the Judaism in Israel, although it's the same people, they're practicing an altogether different religion, which is only based on the partial revealed word of God, which is the Old Testament.
		And anyway, but once again, that gets into the Jewishness of Israel, the Jewishness of the people, trying to introduce this false distinction and say they have nothing to do with each other.
		The Israel of the Old Testament has absolutely nothing to do with the Israel that is this modern creation.
		It just isn't true.
		So, you know, but it's a very complex topic.
		I guess I could understand why Tucker doesn't want to get into that, you know, for one reason or another.
		Again, we could speculate on the why, but – What my motivation is.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I'm just trying to understand.
		You said God tells you to support the modern state of Israel in the Bible, in some place in the Bible that you heard about, but you don't know where it is.
		That's your theology?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		You're going back.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Am I a sleazy feline again?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		If you accuse me of anti-Semitism again, I will say that, but I don't think you will.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Try to be a little less condescending.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to have a conversation.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're throwing this stuff out, and it's my job to figure out what you're talking about.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But I don't understand.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		But you're not letting me...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I want to be polite.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That is for me a personal motivation, but I also, what I was about to say, I don't believe my personal faith, not everyone who I represent is a Christian.
		It's not an argument for me to give that we should do this because of my faith.
		And so as an elected official, I don't give that as the reason we should support Israel.
		That is a personal motivation for me, but I don't think it is the reason we should.
		The reason that I am the leading defender of Israel is because Israel is our strongest ally in the Middle East, an incredibly troubled part of the world, and supporting Israel benefits America.
		The clearest illustration of that is what is happening right now.
		Let me just make this point.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And then I'll just ask what you mean.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Look, Iran, I think the most acute national security threat facing America right now is the threat of a nuclear Iran.
		I think China is the biggest long-term threat, but acute and near-term is a nuclear Iran.
		And I think Israel is doing a massive favor to America right now by trying to take out Iran's nuclear capacity.
		We talked before about Iraq.
		I opposed the Iraq war.
		We talked about Syria.
		I opposed military intervention in Syria.
		The reason for that is those did not pose a threat to the United States.
		I think Iran is markedly different.
		Number one, the Ayatollah is a religious zealot.
		He is a lunatic, but a particularly dangerous kind of lunatic because he's driven by religious fervor.
		When he says death to America and death to Israel, I believe him.
		And I think Iran is trying to get a nuclear weapon because there is a very real possibility they would use a nuclear weapon.
		So you want to ask, how does supporting Israel benefit us?
		Right now, this tiny little country, the size of the state of New Jersey, is fighting our enemies for us and taking out their top military leadership and trying to take out their nuclear capacity.
		That makes America much safer.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So the president has said repeatedly Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon and he will do whatever it takes to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.
		He said that like 100 times.
		He clearly means it.
		I think he will use force to affect that if he feels he has to.
		I think he's been really clear about that.
		I don't know, but it seems that way.
		Do you feel it?
		Do you think that's correct?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Whether he would use force to stop a nuclear weapon, I think he has put that option on the table.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He certainly suggests that.
		I mean, I have literally no idea what's going to happen.
		But just reading his statements, he's made that really clear.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So what he has been very clear about, and I spoke with the president on Sunday.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		By the way, this is a sidebar, but I just can't resist.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The Prime Minister of Israel said that Iran tried to assassinate Donald Trump twice.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I read your newsletter this morning and...
		Again, I think it was sort of a word game.
		What is true is Iran is trying to assassinate Donald J. Trump and they have hired hit men.
		Now you pointed out.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, he said that they tried to have tried twice to kill him.
		And I don't know that.
		Why aren't we at war with him already?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And I read your newsletter this morning and I thought it was playing word games to draw a political point.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How's that a word game?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's my president.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Can I tell you?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, please.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		You rightly pointed out there's no evidence that this clown in Butler, Pennsylvania who shot the president was working for the Iranians.
		I don't think he was.
		There's no evidence of that.
		Although I would like to know more about who he was and what's going on.
		But I don't find it plausible that he was working for the Iranians.
		So, was that caused by the Iranians?
		No.
		But what is true, and what your newsletter didn't acknowledge, is it true or false that Iran is currently trying to murder Donald J. Trump and has paid hitmen to do so?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the question, and I don't know the Butler-Pennsylvania thing.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Let's just put that aside.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So Netanyahu misspoke when he said those two assassinations were because of Iran, but what he was saying that is right is they're actively trying to murder Donald J. Trump.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		OK, so you're aware of a plot to kill Trump.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That Iran is paying for.
		It has been over the last, I'd say, 18 months to two years.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		In the United States?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		In the United States, yes.
		For the Trump attempted assassination, no.
		But they are also actively paying Iranian hitmen to murder Mike Pompeo when he was President Trump's first Secretary of State, the first term, rather.
		John Bolton, when John Bolton was National Security Advisor to President Trump.
		And a guy named Brian Hook, who was Assistant Secretary of State.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		During the Biden administration.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Wait, but hold on.
		Can we go back to Donald Trump because he's the president?
		No, no, no.
		It's a big deal.
		What do you mean?
		No one has been arrested for these assassination attempts on Trump.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		They've hired hitmen.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How do we know that?
unidentified		All right.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Let me break it down.
		People have been arrested.
		So the reason I brought up Pompeo, Bolton, and Hook.
		Who are under active assassination attempts because of their service in the first Trump administration?
		Well, they say that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I've never seen any evidence of it.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Can I give you the evidence?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's just stick with Trump.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, because these are interrelated.
		So let me make a bloody point.
		Under the Biden administration, the State Department was spending $2 million a month providing security for Pompeo, Bolton, and Hook.
		And they did arrest Iranian hitmen at John Bolton's apartment complex who rented, I think, the apartment next to him and were actively trying to assassinate him.
		And they went and arrested them.
		So, yes, they caught Iranian hitmen.
		Now, it so happens Iran's not very good at it.
		But they are actively trying.
		But what about Trump?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He's the president.
		If there's an applaud to kill Trump by the Iranians, that's a huge deal.
		Of course.
		I mean, that's the most important question.
		The Prime Minister of Israel just said there have been two assassination attempts against Donald Trump by the Iranians.
		And I think it's a very fair question, maybe you disagree, to ask, what are you talking about?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And I agree with you that he misspoke.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So there weren't those two attempts?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		There were two attempts, but the clown in Butler, Pennsylvania, and the other guy on the golf course were not connected to the Iranians.
		That's the part that he misspoke.
		But by the way, when you speak all the time, And he was conflating it with the two attempts.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		But I just want to pull that thread because it's so important.
		I voted for Donald Trump.
		I campaigned for Donald Trump.
		He's our president.
		And we're on the cusp of a war.
		So if there's evidence that Iran paid hitmen to kill Donald Trump and is currently doing that, what are you even talking about?
		I've never heard that before.
		Where's the evidence?
		Who are these people?
		Why haven't they been arrested?
		Why are we not at war with Iran?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That's a great question to ask.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that that's true?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We know that it's true because we have been told that by the military and our intelligence community for the last two years.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We meaning who?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Congress has in the public.
		I mean, we've had multiple testimonies.
		I can send you testimony.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do we know the names of the people or where this happened or what they tried to do to kill Trump?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We do not.
		We have not apprehended an Iranian hitman trying to kill him.
		We know that Iran is trying to do so.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		In the United States.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and by the way, like Iran...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Iran put out a whole video about murdering Trump.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But I've never heard evidence that there are hitmen in the United States.
		I mean, trying to kill Trump right now, we should like have a nationwide dragnet on this and we should attack Iran immediately if that's true.
		Don't you think?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		If they're trying to assassinate our president?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		They have been for two years.
		They are enemies.
		Then why are we in a war with them?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing that you could do that would be worse for the United States than murdering Trump.
		And I just don't understand why you're not calling for the use of nuclear weapons against the Ayatollah right now.
		I'm serious.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		The use of nuclear weapons?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Whatever it takes.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That's part of the problem.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You don't seem to take the allegations seriously.
		I do.
		If you believe they're trying to murder Trump, we need to stop what we're doing and punish them.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Can I ask something?
		And I mean this sincerely.
		So, all right, 20 years ago, you were, I think it's fair to say, in the interventionist world, I was a promoter of the Iraq war.
		And you now, and I think you think you were mistaken.
		I think you were mistaken.
		That's okay.
		People change and learn, and that's part of the journey of being human.
		Your views have moved, though.
		In my view, they've gone way too far the other end.
		I'm totally confused.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying, hold on.
		This is one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had.
		I'm saying, if it's true that Iran is trying to murder Trump, we need to move militarily against Iran immediately.
		That's not isolationism.
		That's the most—that's a cult of violence, which I am calling for.
		If we believe that Iran is trying to murder our president, we need to strike Iran.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but isolationists say things like, well, then just nuke them, which is what you just said.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Just kind of a weird— Because I'm upset.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I agree with Ted Cruz.
		I mean, yeah, this is the problem.
		A lot of it just turns into rhetoric, and it's totally disingenuous.
		I mean, for what it's worth, I don't find it totally unbelievable that Iran— I don't—especially the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
		The idea that they are—you know, that that's an impossibility, even to the extent that they're freelancing, meaning they're acting outside of a directive by the Ayatollah, I actually don't find that hard to believe.
		They've tried to kill people in D.C. before, an ambassador once, and I believe they did try to kill John Bolton.
		And, you know, so— I don't know if I necessarily disagree that Iran's trying to do that, but this like, oh, you know, we got to nuke Tehran if that's true.
		I just think that's being disingenuous.
		I don't think that's the strongest point, you know, and you have to understand what happened.
		Trump killed Qasem Soleimani.
		Soleimani was ahead of the Quds Force in the IRGC.
		That was a really big deal.
		That was a really big problem.
		You know, and I do believe that Israel is certainly embellishing that.
		I don't think that is untrue either.
		I think that Israel is probably embellishing the threat or fabricating a plot that doesn't exist or an active plot or something like that.
		But the intelligence that says that the IRGC is trying to kill those responsible for killing Soleimani, like Pompeo and Bolton, I don't find that hard to believe at all.
		I don't think we should go to war with Iran over that.
		I think Ted Cruz is being consistent.
		If Ted Cruz says, yeah, they're trying to kill people, we're advocating to bomb their nuclear program and have the people overthrow the government, I mean, I think that's internally consistent at least.
		Tucker, he doesn't seem to be taking a position either way.
		Sounds like he doesn't believe that they try to kill Trump, but it's not 100%.
		He won't say it outright.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I take my statements very seriously.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So I've asked you, where's the evidence this is true?
		And you said, well, they're trying to assassinate Brian Hook or something.
		Which I'm against, by the way.
		I'm against hurting any American, period, no matter what.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So you dispute that they're trying to murder...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm not disputing it at all.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Are they really arresting the hitman with Bolton?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why that's even relevant.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm asking about the president of the United States.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Wait, it's not relevant that Iran hired hitmen to murder cabinet members in Trump's administration.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't go to how credible.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm totally opposed to that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Ted Cruz is making more sense on this one.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's awful.
		I am against killing anybody, actually, and especially foreign government.
		I'm asking about your allegation and the Prime Minister of Israel's allegation that Iran is trying to murder the president.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Killing terrorists is a good thing.
		Killing people who are trying to murder Americans is a good thing.
		Because if you're America first, you want to protect America.
		And so killing Osama bin Laden was a fantastic day for the world.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But you don't really believe that they're trying to murder Trump.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Then why aren't you calling for military action against Tehran right now?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Because they're not very effective.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		In terms of hitmen, their hitmen are not very effective.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So they're hitmen, but not the bad kind, the efficient kind.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What are you saying?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		They're a weak country who is on its knees, Why are they the biggest threat if they're a weak country that's on its knees?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to keep track.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		They're trying to develop...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I know, you're right.
		That is a problem that I have.
		I'm sorry.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		They're trying to develop nuclear weapons.
		They're close to developing nuclear weapons.
		And even a weak country with a nuclear weapon.
		Look, I believe there is a very real possibility if the Ayatollah develops a nuclear weapon that he would detonate it either in Tel Aviv or New York or Los Angeles.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		See, that's the part that's ridiculous.
		You know, they have me with the idea that, look, Iran is an adversary.
		Iran is enriching uranium to 60% so that they have this threshold status so they could rapidly nuclearize.
		You got me so far.
		Probably they are appointing hitmen to kill Pompeo and Bolton and maybe even Trump as revenge for the killing of Qasem Soleimani.
		I think all of that is plausible.
		But then they get to this like, well, they chant death to America.
		They're racing towards a bomb and they're going to detonate it in New York and Tel Aviv.
		That's where you lose me.
		Because the reason that they have enriched to the point that they have.
		The reason they have any kind of nuclear program at all is a response to the ongoing arms race in the Middle East.
		The idea that the mullahs, the cleric that runs Iran, is an irrational religious zealot who's motivated by a holocaust against the Jews, that's also ridiculous.
		I don't think that's true either.
		And so the question is, what is to be done about the problem?
		What is to be done?
		Of course, that's the operative question.
		We have this antagonism with Iran.
		We have an historic animosity and hostility between Tehran and Washington, going back to the revolution, going back to the coup in 53. What is to be done?
		Well, we have to understand the root causes of how we got here.
		Why is Iran hiring allegedly hitmen against Bolton and Pompeo and Trump?
		Because they arranged for the assassination of Soleimani.
		Why?
		Why did they arrange for the assassination of Soleimani in 2020?
		Because the U.S. pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal in 2018 and put on intense sanctions.
		And in response, Iran was attacking our bases.
		We were retaliating against them.
		There was this myth that Iran was blowing up tankers in the Persian Gulf.
		Rapidly it escalated.
		But it goes back to this nuclear arsenal.
		And once again, why are they looking to acquire a nuclear arsenal?
		It's related to the question of killing Trump or Pompeo or Bolton.
		Attain a threshold status because they are threatened by regime change from Israel and Washington.
		And that is the problem that we created.
		This is the unintended consequence, or maybe the intended consequence.
		Certainly it's intended by Israel, maybe unintended by the Americans in Washington, which is pursuing regime change in every single country in the Middle East.
		Overthrowing every single government.
		And, by the way, that Israel is the lone country with a nuclear weapon.
		So what is to be done about Iran wanting a nuclear bomb?
		The answer becomes very obvious.
		If you understand why Iran is pursuing a nuclear arsenal to the detriment of everything else, then you can understand how to assuage their concerns.
		Which is, if we can give Iran confidence that we will not overthrow their regime, then, probably, they will have faith enough How do we do that?
		The United States must be willing to restrain Israel.
		If we can hold Israel back, then Iran can be confident that we're not trying to overthrow their government.
		And I'm sure they would allow us inspections to oversee their nuclear program and they could be integrated into the regional economy.
		Now, whether the United States and Tehran can overcome decades of hostility is.
		We could flip them in other ways.
		Egypt did that.
		We didn't have to have regime change in Egypt to make a deal with them.
		The United States and Israel were at war with Nasser and Sadat for decades, until we made a deal, and now Egypt is a strategic ally.
		We could do that with Iran.
		But it is the Israelis that want regime change because they cannot allow any competitors to them in the region.
		They want to hasten the conflict.
		So, you know, I agree more with.
		Like Ted Cruz said, they're not a global power.
		They don't threaten us imminently.
		At the same time, they cannot acquire a nuclear weapon.
		And their stockpile of highly enriched uranium, it certainly points towards – They want the ability to break out in a short window of time.
		But all of that springs from a credible fear of regime change motivated by Israel from the United States.
		So that's where there's a little bit of a digression there.
		I actually agree maybe more in some sense with Ted Cruz assessing that, like, yeah, would it be ideal if there was regime change?
		Strategically for America, yes.
		Is that practical?
		Absolutely not.
		Is Iran an adversary?
	Yeah.
	Do they pose an imminent threat?
	Not necessarily.
	Do they point towards a nuclear weapon?
	Sure.
	But I don't think they're racing towards one.
	I don't think they want one to kill all the Jews.
	And I don't think that if they got one, they would detonate it over New York or Tel Aviv.
	I think that's ridiculous.
	So, you know, once again, that's why it's important to have a little bit of nuance.
	I'm not saying I'm in between them, but I have a very different position.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And that would be utterly catastrophic.
		I don't know what the chances are of that.
		Let me compare and contrast Iran to North Korea.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Can I just ask one last question about trying to kill the president?
		You sincerely believe, you promise, that right now the Iranian government is trying to murder our president.
		You sincerely believe right now.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And yet you are not calling for military action against the government that's trying to murder our president.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Can you explain that?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they're very effective.
		I do think we should, by the way, America is...
		I think we should protect the president and we should take out our enemies.
		Israel is doing that right now.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But aren't they, why would we actually see Israel if they're doing that?
		Okay, so you're saying we should just go in and take out the government of Iran.
		Why would we outsource it to Israel if they're trying to murder a president?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		See, this line from Tucker makes no sense.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying on any military judgment is there needs to be a cost-benefit analysis of what are the risks versus what are the benefits.
		In this instance, I think it is enormously in America's interest to do what Israel is doing right now, take out Iran's senior military leadership and take out their nuclear capacity.
		That is benefiting America, and it is a good risk-reward.
		I would oppose invading Iran and putting boots on the ground to topple the government.
		If the risk got severe enough, I would support that.
		But I think the relative risk is not severe enough to justify that step at this time.
		What I would absolutely oppose under any circumstances is invading Iran and then staying and trying to turn them into a democracy.
		And part of where Iraq really went off the rails is not only did we topple someone who was fighting radical Islamic terrorists, who was a bad guy, but then we tried the vision of interventionists.
		It actually overlaps with the vision of a lot of Democrats.
		Let's go promote democracy in the world.
		It is our military's job to kill the bad guys, to defend America.
		It's not their job to defend international norms.
		It's not their job.
		So I have zero desire for the U.S. military to turn Iran into Switzerland.
		Look, would it be nice if they suddenly became Switzerland?
		Sure, if I could wave a badge.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This is another, it's like we were talking about earlier.
		This is another one of those artificial distinctions they introduce where they say, well, I want regime change, but not nation building.
		It's like, okay, it's just as bad.
		Do we want another Libya situation with 90 million people?
		I mean, that doesn't make any sense at all.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Great.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		But I'm not going to send your kids or my kids to be in front of guns to go make that happen.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, bless you for that.
		I think that's a that is the lesson that I learned from Iraq.
		I promoted that war.
		Apparently, unlike you, I was dumber.
		And I think that you just articulated the main lesson of it, which is it's either way.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		OK, so I'm going to probably we're not going to finish the whole thing.
		I'm going to end the stream at 8.30, so I'll do the stream for another half hour, and then I'll come back to do the show probably between 9 and 9.30.
		At the latest, maybe 10, okay?
		If I'm being totally honest.
		So I recognize I started a little bit too late.
		running up against the start of my show, so I'll do this stream for another half hour.
		We'll get as far as we can, and then...
		I'll come back.
		I'll do the show.
		Probably between 9.30 and 10 would be more realistic.
		So that's just the plan.
		Just letting you know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		To do that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And we're not good at it.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And so we are agreeing on that.
		I will say as a corollary, that doesn't mean that horrible evil dictators are okay.
		And going back to Reagan and the Cold War, we have lots of weapons.
		I am happy to highlight the brutality, the oppression, the human rights abuses of regimes, even though I don't want to invade them.
		Because I think the bully pulpit of American leadership is really powerful.
		And I think dictatorships are terrified.
		So I've spent 13 years in the Senate.
		One of the things I do frequently is highlight dissidents in Iran and North Korea and China.
		In Venezuela, people are being tortured.
		Miriam Ibrahim in Sudan, who was sentenced to 100 lashes and then to be killed for the crime of being a Christian.
		And I repeatedly went to the Senate floor and shined a light on the government of Sudan.
		It was corrupt.
		It was evil.
		I practically begged Barack Obama, say her name.
		Look, yes.
		Look, there is power to speaking out.
		And ultimately, Obama never did say her name.
		He would not say her name.
		Ultimately, there was enough international condemnation.
		The government of Sudan let her go.
		And so she was not executed.
		And I actually, I met her.
		And she was in leg irons, in prison, waiting for the death sentence.
		They were not going to kill her until she gave birth.
		And they told her, we will not kill you if you will renounce Jesus.
		And she refused.
		And I met her, she was in D.C. speaking at a conference, after she was released, obviously.
		And she's a tiny woman, a small woman.
		I asked her, I said, when you were in that prison cell with your kids, Thanks.
		I mean, I've never been threatened with murder unless I renounce my faith.
		And she just said to me with a real peacefulness, she said, Jesus was with me.
		Thankfully, you and I have not faced that circumstance.
		But I do think there is a responsibility.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		There's still time.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		There is, and I hope we don't.
		And actually, I'll use another example.
		John McCain, who you and I disagreed with on a lot of issues.
		I respected and admired him for his service and time as a prisoner of war.
		I think his policies I disagreed with vehemently and fought against them.
		But the man fought for America, and he was thrown in prison, and he was tortured by Vietnam.
		And he was given the opportunity to be released early.
		And he turned it down because he thought it would be dishonorable to lead before his fellow servicemen and women.
		And when I first got here, there were no women there for you.
		When I first got here, McCain hated my guts and he actually referred to me and Rand as wacko birds.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I remember.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I have up on the shelf, I have a baseball cap that a grassroots supporter gave me with a picture of Daffy Duck and labeled wacko birds, which I liked and laughed when.
		But when he did that, I went to the Senate floor and I gave a speech praising John McCain.
		And it was the day he'd like attacked me publicly.
		And it happened to be, it was the 40th anniversary of his release from the Hanoi Hilton.
		And I was consciously, I just talked about what a privilege it is to serve with someone who suffered for his country, who served.
		And I didn't get into where we disagreed on policy on that speech.
		I just said, you know, the man is an American hero, and I'm proud to serve with him.
		But that was meant to be a statement also, that if you attack me, I'm going to praise you, not for things that are not praiseworthy.
		If I disagree with you, I will not be shy about saying it.
		But for things that are praiseworthy...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It was 2013.
		Yeah.
		And I felt the same way.
		I went to his cell at the Henry Hilton and I...
		I agree with you about McCain.
		I just want to end by asking you specifically about what's going to happen next in Iran and what should happen next.
		So you've called for regime change.
		You said you don't favor the U.S. military participating in any kind of regime change.
		You said you don't think, and bless you for saying this, that the U.S. military should try and turn it into Belgium.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Thank God.
		But there is a third option where it turns into Syria, where it's this open wound and it causes massive migration and further destroys Europe, as Syria has.
		And that's a huge cost.
		And where lots of people die and just minorities get murdered in Syria again.
		Are you worried about that?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And listen, lots of bad things can happen.
		But going back to what we talked about, the principle of defending America, I agree with President Trump that Iran with a nuclear weapon is an unacceptable risk to America, and we need to stop it.
		I agree with President Trump, and I'll make a point.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But he's not for a change.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		He's not.
		So he and I disagree.
		Look, I think he thinks it would be better.
		He has not said he's for it.
		And you know what?
		Look, it is consequential when the president of the United States says, So I understand why he hasn't.
		What he has said is he's drawn a red line and said Iran will not have a nuclear weapon and the only acceptable outcome is complete dismantlement.
		So they have centrifuges.
		They're enriching uranium right now.
		They're trying to develop a nuclear weapon.
		He said they must have complete dismantlement.
		I led 52 senators, Republican senators, in a letter where we said we agree with President Trump.
		That's the red line, complete dismantlement.
		I agree with President Trump.
		I agree with him supporting Israel, taking out Iran's military leadership, taking out their nuclear capability.
		And I'll point out, look, if you look the first term, I am hard-pressed to think of a single foreign policy decision Donald Trump made the first term that I disagree with.
		And that's not entirely accidental because I spent a lot of time the first term in the Oval Office with him.
		This guy is so full of shit.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's like, this is why everybody hates politicians.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		You had interventionists in the administration.
		And they disagree.
		They would fight within the administration.
		And often what it would give is an opportunity for me to come in and say, hey, there's a middle path here that President Trump agreed with frequently.
		And it's worth noting in the first term, he most assuredly was not an isolationist.
		Look, he took out General Soleimani, which I emphatically agree with.
		And in fact, I introduced a resolution that we voted on the Senate floor commending him for taking out General Soleimani, who was the leader of the IRGC and who was responsible for killing over 600 American servicemen and women.
		When Trump came in, ISIS had a caliphate that had grown up under Obama that was about the size of the state of Indiana.
		And Trump came in and utterly decimated them.
		He killed the terrorists, took away their caliphate, and defeated them.
		And he also took out Baghdadi, the head of ISIS.
		I mean, those are not the actions of an isolationist.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know what an isolationist is.
		It's just a slur designed to control.
		I mean, I've never been an isolationist.
		I don't even know what that means.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Rand Paul is my colleague.
		Rand is an isolationist.
		And Tucker, you've become one, and I don't mean it as a slur.
		You consistently say, We will see.
		There are several people in leadership in Iran that will not be coming back, Trump said, following the strikes.
		It's worth taking a step back and wondering how any of this helps the United States.
		We can't think of a single way.
		Okay, that to me is the essence of isolationism.
		And let me just ask you, when the Ayatollah chants death to America, I believe him.
		Do you not believe him?
		Do you think he doesn't mean it when he says death to America?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think he hates America, for sure.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And I'm opposed to that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And do you think he's willing to act on it?
		It's not just hate America.
		He also is leading a country and trying to develop a nuclear weapon.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I think under certain circumstances, for sure.
		So the question is, do you act in a way that makes that more or less likely?
		And that's a tough call.
		It's something that you can debate.
		One of the ways you shut down debate is by calling people names like isolationists, pretending they're like pro-Nazi or something, or as you did, claiming I'm an anti-Semite.
		That's not a way to get to a solution or have a rational conversation.
		That's a way to make people be quiet.
		And I'm against that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so if you don't like the label isolationist, how would you...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Of course you don't oppose every military.
		This whole thing is infantile and you know that it is.
		It's a way to call people names and make them be quiet.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Give me another name.
		If you don't like that, I'm not trying to have you be quiet.
		We've been talking an hour and a half.
		I'm asking, if you don't like the name Isolationist, how would you describe it?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I would describe myself in the same way you falsely described yourself in this conversation.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Falsely?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, falsely.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		What did I say, false?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You said that the only...
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say the only, I said the predominant.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's what I understood.
		So let me revise what you said and apply it to myself and say the only thing that matters is whether or not it serves the United States.
		And I feel very stung by what happened in Iraq, if I'm being honest.
		Possibly because, unlike you, I guess, I supported it.
		And I saw us get drawn into it in a way that nobody anticipated.
		And I saw the cost, just about $3 trillion?
		And the cost on so many levels to the United States was just so profound.
		And I felt like, gosh, it reminds me of Kaiser...
		And of course, that destroyed Christian Europe.
		So it's like you don't really know where these things are going once the shooting starts.
		That's my only point.
		And calling people named anti-Semite isolationists to get them to stop talking is not the way to serve your country.
		That's all I'm saying.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So I'm trying to have a real and serious conversation.
		And look, a lot of this has been contentious.
		I wish it had not, because as we started out by saying, you and I agree vehemently on 80% of the issues.
		This discussion is focused on the 20% where we don't.
		You know, I will say, look, on Iraq, you look at the 2016 presidential campaign where you had 17 Republicans running.
		If you set Rand aside, and his views are on one side, there were only two candidates on that stage that opposed the Iraq war.
		Me and Donald Trump were the only two.
		Everyone else thought the Iraq war was a great thing.
		I think it was a disaster.
		So you and I agree on that as well.
		In my view, you went, I think your Ford policy has gone too far.
		I mean, let me ask you, is there a military action Trump has undertaken that you agree with?
		Because I've not heard anything.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I believe in self-defense.
		That's why I keep firearms at home.
		I think it's morally justified to defend yourself, your family, your property, your nation.
		And so to the extent that you can deter a threat through violence, violence always being the least appealing choice, violence always being, if I can finish, always being a tragedy.
		I think you can justify the use of violence and self-defense.
		That is my personal view, and that applies to me and to the country.
		Those are my views.
		That's not an isolationist view.
		It's not an anti-Israel view.
		It's not an anti-Semitic view.
		It is, I think, a pretty common sense view.
		But my problem is that lawmakers in Washington are light on detail with these things, and they speak, as you do, entirely in moral terms.
		These people are bad.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I'm not speaking entirely in moral terms.
		I'm not interested in killing bad guys.
		I'm interested in killing people who are trying to kill us.
		That's different.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Are you now?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Because you told me that...
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And that is undisputed.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		There's literally nobody who disputes that fact.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Then why don't you support military action right now against Iran?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We are engaged in military action right now.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He basically does.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, that's a weak argument.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you support offensive military action?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We're bombing the crap out of Israelism.
		We're supporting them.
		Israelism.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why shouldn't the U.S. military defend its own president?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Look, and it goes back to...
		Nobody disputes it, Tucker.
		Did you land on the moon?
		What other conspiracies do you not believe?
		Was 9-11 an inside job?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I've asked you the names of these people.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the names of the Iranian hitmen.
		I know it because the U.S. military and the intelligence agencies have testified before Congress repeatedly that Iran is trying to murder Donald Trump and has hired hitmen.
		Do I know the name of the hitmen?
		No, I'm sorry.
		And I don't think we do either because we would apprehend them if we knew their names.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Then why don't you take it seriously not to support...
		But you don't.
		This doesn't even make any sense.
		And you're calling me an isolationist.
		If I believed that that was true, I would support military action against the government of Iran.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's interesting because there is literally...
		Out of 535 members of Congress, I am not aware of one who disputes that Iran is trying to murder Donald J. Trump.
		Even the looniest Democrat doesn't dispute that.
		So I don't...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You think it's a fact?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What is the fact exactly?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		That they've hired hitmen.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		In the United States?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Americans?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We're looping, we're looping.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Are the hitmen American?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you what, and by the way, I'm not the CIA, I'm not the Department of Defense, I'm telling you what they have told us.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm not disputing it.
		I'm merely saying that I'm not.
		I'm saying the logic train has a massive hole in it.
		If you believe that's true, But you don't support that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He does.
		That's the whole point.
		He's a neocon.
		Isn't that the whole purpose of the debate?
		Ted Cruz supports regime change.
		He supports Israel's strikes against Iran.
		So, you know, I don't know what Tucker's even arguing.
		Like, Cruz is a neocon who believes the theory that Iran's trying to kill Trump.
		And by the way, I mean, it's plausible that Iran's trying to kill Trump.
		It could easily be one of these things that's embellished or played up or even completely fabricated by the Israelis.
		I mean, maybe that's more likely.
		But he buys it.
		Hook, line, and sinker, he bites on that.
		And he's in favor of regime change.
		I'm not sure where the inconsistency is.
		Ted Cruz believes the Israeli propaganda, and he supports regime change.
		So I don't know what the point he's trying to make is.
		I think this is flawed.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What's going on here?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Tucker, you took offense to the word isolationist, and I genuinely don't mean it as a pejorative.
		I disagree with it.
		But if you don't like that term, I don't know how else to describe what is a coherent foreign policy that says we're surrounded by two giant nations.
		By the way, isolationism has long been a school of foreign policy.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I believe in self-defense.
		I'm not into the slurs, the anti-Semite stuff.
		I just don't like that.
		I'm telling you what I believe.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		But is there a single military action Trump took that you agree with?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So do you agree with taking out General Soleimani?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It turned out better than I thought, I guess.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you said at the time it would, like, lead us to World War III.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I thought.
		I was worried about it.
		I've seen that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Well, but that proved not the case.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I was wrong, as I have been many times.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Did you agree with taking out the ISIS caliphate?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And you're for that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say I'm for that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You don't seem to have a problem with it.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That ISIS is now running Syria.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're like, ah, we'll see.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I know why.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I didn't push Assad out.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Assad toppled.
unidentified		It's hilarious.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's like, Assad is bad, but no, ISIS runs Syria, but that's fine.
		We'll just kind of wait and see on ISIS.
		It's not a big deal.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Hold on a second.
		I want to get back.
		You know why I don't care and you do your trademark smirky laugh.
		I know why you don't care.
		Why don't I care?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		You tell me.
		because you think it's okay because they're not making angry noises or something.
		But by your own standards, Because why?
		They're ISIS.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		What I said is, I don't know how good or bad it'll be.
		Look, I wasn't pushing Assad out.
		He fell.
		He fell on his own, in part because he was heavily supported by Hezbollah, and when Israel took out the Hezbollah leadership, he lost his base of support.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But the current ISIS leadership you don't think is bad?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You can't say it's terrible that ISIS runs a country?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I am concerned about it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Concerned?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Aren't you horrified?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I want to see what they do.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you've got to wait and see attitude on ISIS now?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		On the government of Syria, they are not actively, that I am aware of, trying to murder Americans.
		And that's a real dividing line.
		Are you trying to murder Americans or not?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying it's a little weird that we wage this war against ISIS and now they're running a country in the Mediterranean.
		I think that people would be very, very upset about that.
		But you don't seem very upset about that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		By the way, did you agree with Trump taking out al-Baghdadi, the head of ISIS?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm totally opposed to ISIS.
		And what I care about is results, actually.
		And if...
		I guess I'm for it.
		But now ISIS runs Syria.
		I'm wondering, how does this work?
		I really do my best to be honest and correct if they are and admit that I was wrong.
		I'm not one of these people who's like, I've always been consistent.
		No, my views change all the time because the facts change all the time.
		You're not going to get consistency from me.
		You're only going to get sincerity.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I will say this.
		And look, I believe you're sincere.
		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm not God.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm just some guy watching trying to figure out the right thing for America.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And I think because...
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I think you've overcorrected.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Overcorrected?
		I'm worried about turning this mess in Iran into a much larger mess.
		That's the concern.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, that's a reasonable worry.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Look, I know it's reasonable.
		And I know you've been like, you're like ready to call me all these names for asking.
		You're just asking questions.
		Yes, I am.
		So here's my question to you.
		If the Ayatollah is killed in Iran, and he very well could be.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very well could.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I have just read in the paper this morning that Israel tried to take him out twice, and Trump told them not to.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I have read that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't have independent confirmation one way or the other.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that they should take him out?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So I actually talked about it.
		As you know, I do a podcast every week, Verdict with Ted Cruz, and I actually talked about it in the latest podcast.
		And I said, look, I've seen the reporting that says that Trump has them not to take out the Ayatollah.
		And when I said the podcast is, I think it's reasonable for them to decide not to try to take him out.
		What they've done is targeted just about the entire top level of the military, the people that actually conduct the war.
		I can see an argument that taking out both the head of state and a religious leader could make him a martyr and could cause more problems than it's worth.
		And by the way, if you take out the Ayatollah, I don't know, the next guy isn't just as bad.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What happens to the country?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, but you mentioned before, and I want to go back to this, you said something like you, like most other politicians, are engaged in moral terms.
		And let me be clear.
		I am talking about national interest.
		I am talking about protecting America.
		So there are bad guys on planet Earth that I don't think we should take out even though they're bad guys.
		I'll call them bad guys, but I'm not willing to use U.S. military force to take them out.
		In this instance, what Israel is doing is taking out their capacity to build nuclear weapons.
		Why?
		Because they judge the risk is too high if they've got nuclear weapons.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
		I mean, I understand that.
		I think it's in progress.
		I think it'll probably be achieved, probably with U.S. military support.
		Who knows?
		But the president said he's for that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, where the military support is most needed is Fordow, which is a bunker that's built under a mountain.
		Israel's taken out most of the rest, like Natanz, which is their big enrichment site.
		They bombed the hell out of it.
		Fordow was deliberately built deep into a mountain so that Israel couldn't take it out.
		And there's an active discussion because the U.S. has bunker buster bombs that are big enough to take out Fordow.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		30,000 pounds.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And Israel doesn't.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So the one military piece that...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But here's, I guess, what bothers me is that I said two weeks ago, the real goal here is regime change in Iran.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's Trump's goal.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's your goal.
		It's Israel's goal.
		I'm not attacking anyone.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying it's important to be honest You said the real goal here is regime change, and it's your goal, and I want to be clear.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you said it was your goal.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I want to be clear because words matter.
		Do I support regime change and would I like a government that doesn't hate America and isn't trying to kill us in Iran?
		Yes.
		That's a good outcome.
		Is that the objective of these military strikes?
		I don't think necessarily.
		I don't know if it's Israel's.
		It's not my objective.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		My objective is taking out- Should the United States participate in that operation in any way?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Look, I have not called for killing the Ayatollah.
		And there is nations in war generally refrain from attacking and killing heads of state.
		Now, the Ayatollah doesn't.
		He's trying to kill Trump.
		We talked about that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But we shouldn't punish him for it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's a distinction without a difference.
		The reality is, is that Israel desires regime change fundamentally.
		And what's more...
		The nuclear strikes at Fordow, that is just one step on the way.
		That's the trap.
		That's the bear trap that gets us stuck.
		So I see this on Twitter.
		I see Tucker saying this.
		I see Steven Crowder saying this.
		They all say, well, you know, we support strikes on the nuclear facilities, but not regime change.
		They want us to take out the nuclear facilities so that Israel can do regime change or to get us trapped so that we participate in the regime change.
		Either way, that is their end objective.
		Their end objective is regime change, and roping the United States in is a part of that plan.
		It is contingent.
		Roping the United States in or regime change in Iran is contingent on roping the United States into the conflict using the nuclear issue.
		So people are saying, well, are you in favor of just bombing the nuclear sites or regime change?
		These are not separate.
		And it's just context denial to pretend.
		And Tucker's starting to bring this up.
		Israel's goal is regime change.
		It always has been.
		That's why we're in the predicament.
		That's why Iran has 60% enriched uranium.
		That's why Trump pulled us out of the nuclear deal the first time at their behest.
		And they want us involved to take out the nukes so that Iran is vulnerable.
		And then ideally, they with the United States can finish the job with a decapitation strike.
		So I think it's sort of pointless to go back and forth and say, well, you know, do you desire regime change this way or that way or just the strikes on the nuclear facilities?
		It's all the same thing.
		Ultimately, it is all part of the same thing.
		The two options are not nukes or regime change or whether we do it or Israel does it.
		The options are, do we restrain Israel, have a nuclear deal with Iran, and keep the regime intact?
		That is a package deal.
		You restrain Israel, it opens the pathway for diplomacy, we can have a nuclear deal with inspections and confidence and verification, and the Iranian regime remains intact.
		Those all go together.
		That's a package.
		The other package is, Israel is unrestrained, they make diplomacy impossible, we're drawn in bombing their nuclear facilities.
		Either that makes them vulnerable enough for decapitation, or we are stuck in the conflict after the nuclear sites, after the strikes on the nuclear facilities, and we're involved in the decapitation strike with Israel.
		That's a package, too.
		In sequence, you get one or you get the other.
		You get package A, package B. That's what's behind each door.
		So I see people on Twitter saying, you know, we're not talking about regime change.
		We just want the strikes on the nuclear facilities.
		That's the same thing.
		That's part of the same package deal.
		It's a shame to see Tucker.
		He's going in on this plot to kill Trump.
		The plot to kill Trump, that's also part of the second package.
		If you believe that Iran really is trying to kill Trump and there's a very credible threat.
		That's part of the decapitation strikes.
		And by the way, that threat being embellished and exaggerated by Israel, that's also part of that package to get us involved.
		It's just another, it's a stocking stuffer in the trick to get us involved.
		Just like with Iraq.
		You know, the big pitch for Iraq was, well, they have a nuclear weapons program.
		They've got WMDs.
		But the stocking stuffer, you know, the extra, the side, the shareable.
		The handhelds and shareables, the shareable in the Iraq cause for war, the Casa's Belli, was that they participated in an anthrax plot, that they were involved with Al-Qaeda and bore some responsibility for 9-11.
		There's always these extras they throw in.
		Well, they have WMD.
		Well, they're genociding the Kurds.
		Well, they did the anthrax plot.
		Well, they're involved with Al-Qaeda.
		And same thing here.
		So it's all part of everything is part of the same thing.
		Israel wants regime change.
	They're hyping up the nuclear threat.
	They're hyping up the assassination plot.
	They want to rope us in with the promise of a limited operation.
	So we're stuck.
	We bomb Iran.
	Iran bombs us.
	Now we're in.
	Now we're in it for the whole objective.
	Or we hold Israel back, we're able to pursue an independent foreign policy that is actually Those are the two packages.
	And we're running out of time.
	We'll watch maybe a few more minutes of this, and then I'm going to get out of here.
	Then we've got to do the show.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I have not publicly called for killing the Ayatollah.
		What I've called for is doing whatever is necessary to stop him from getting nuclear weapons.
		In the first Trump term, what that meant was maximum pressure.
		So in the first Trump term, I spent a lot of time urging the president to withdraw from the disastrous Iranian nuclear deal that Obama had.
		President Trump agreed with me.
		He did that.
		And then I urged him to end the oil waivers and to sanction the hell out of the country.
		And it ended up crippling their economy.
		So Iran at the time was selling two million barrels of oil a day.
		One million barrels, I'm sorry, one million barrels of oil a day.
		When President Trump ended the oil waivers, It cut their sales to 300,000 barrels a day.
		At the end of the Trump term, the Iranian economy was in shambles.
		They had massive inflation.
		I think the regime was teetering.
		I think it might have fallen.
		I would use economic sanctions and I would use moral suasion to try to effectuate the regime change.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you topple the regime and bite whatever means.
		What happens then?
		How many people live in Iran, by the way?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the population.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		At all?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't know the population.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You don't know the population of the country you seek to topple?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		How many people live in Iran?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		92 million.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How could you not know that?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I don't sit around memorizing population tables.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the overthrow of the government.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Why is it relevant whether it's 90 million or 80 million or 100 million?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Because if you don't know anything about the country...
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what's the ethnic mix of Iran?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		They are Persians and predominantly Shia.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't know anything about Iran.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I am not the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're a senator who's calling for the overthrow of the government and you don't know anything about the country.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't know anything about the country.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		You're the one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not saying that.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		You're the one who can't figure out if it was a good idea to kill General Soleimani and you said it was bad.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You don't believe they're trying to murder Trump.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Because you're not calling for military strikes against them in retaliation.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You said Israel was.
unidentified		Right.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		With our help.
		I've said we.
		Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're breaking news here because the U.S. government last night denied, the National Security Council spokesman, Alex Pfeiffer, denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity at all.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, we're not bombing them.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Israel's bombing them.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You just said we were.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We are supporting Israel.
unidentified		This is high stakes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're a senator.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		If you're saying the United States government is at war with Iran right now, people are listening.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		We are not bombing them.
		Israel is bombing them.
		Why did you do the snide OOK?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
		Because this is super high stakes stuff.
		This is a huge country that borders a lot of other important countries.
		A lot of world's energy comes from there.
		You don't want another disaster.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Tucker, the Ayatollah refers to Israel as the little Satan and America as the great Satan.
		Do you believe him?
		When he says it's the great Satan, do you think if the Ayatollah could murder both of us right now that he would?
		I do.
		I believe it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I assume no good faith on the part of the Ayatollah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And if your implication is like, I'm pro-Ayatollah or something.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, it's not good faith.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying, you're a lawmaker.
		You're a powerful person in Washington.
		This is the most powerful country in the world.
		If you're calling for toppling in government, it's incumbent on you to know something about the country and to think through the consequences of that.
		And you haven't, and you don't.
		And I'm saying that's reckless.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you are, you engage in reckless rhetoric with no facts.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		And to be clear, you put out a newsletter attacking Donald Trump and calling him complicit.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I've never attacked Donald Trump.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you have.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I've campaigned for Donald Trump.
		This is like after anti-Semitism, this is the last refuge.
		You're an anti-Semite and you hate Trump.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I love Trump.
		I will read.
		You put out a whole newsletter saying Trump has abandoned America first.
		And here's what Trump said in response.
		Well, considering that I'm the one that developed America first and considering that the term wasn't used until I came along, I think I'm the one who decides that.
		For those people who say they want peace.
		So for all of those wonderful people who don't want to do anything about Iran having a nuclear weapon, that's not peace.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That was directed at you.
unidentified		Busted.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm just saying.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I campaigned for Trump.
		I know Trump.
		I talked to him last night.
		I'm not against Trump, and you know that.
		What's your guess is for policy?
		We should be very careful about entering into more foreign wars that don't help us when our country is dying.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		When you say don't help us.
		Look, yes, focus on our country.
		I'm all for it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But the naivete, You don't know anything about the country whose government you want to overthrow.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And you're calling me reckless.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		I want to stop a lunatic who wants to murder us from getting nuclear weapons that could kill millions of Americans.
		You say, I can't see how that benefits America in any way.
		That is bizarre.
		And by the way, isolationism, your foreign policy is the foreign policy of Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And it doesn't work.
		I'm a big leftist.
		This is so silly.
		Now I'm Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.
		Okay.
		Let me just say one last thing.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So how is your foreign policy different from Jimmy Carter's?
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Seriously.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Please.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Seriously.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know what you're talking about.
		Jimmy Carter?
		So what century is this?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He goes, please.
		How is your foreign policy different than Jimmy Carter?
		please.
		Because that is such, like, Republican brain rot.
		Jimmy Carter.
		Because, you know, Jimmy Carter ran against Reagan.
unidentified		You're like Jimmy Carter.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He goes, please.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That was a W. That was funny.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Just one last thing.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		So, how is your foreign policy different from Jimmy Carter's?
		Seriously?
		Please.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know what you're talking about.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Jimmy Carter?
		What century is this?
		I am the product of the last 25 years, watching carefully, being involved in the periphery, and I see an unending string of foreign policy disasters that have impoverished and hurt our country.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		Unending string?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		An unending string.
		They would include Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and our inability to stop the Houthis, by the way, in Yemen, which exposes us as weak, and I grieve over that.
		So these are failures.
		You help preside over some of them.
		As a member of the Senate.
ted cruz ▲ ● ▼		What failures, four policy failures have I presided over?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were unable to beat Russia in the war that you supported against Russia.
		You've been spending the last three years telling us that Vladimir Putin is evil and we're going to beat him with other people's children.
		And a million of those kids are now dead.
		You've never apologized for that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think we're going to wrap this up.
		They finished with Iran.
		I think the rest of this is about Russia.
		We didn't get to finish.
		We got about 20 minutes short.
		But we started a little bit late, as usual.
		So I'm going to wrap it up, and this is going to be the end of this stream.
		Again, I'm going to be doing a show tonight, I'm thinking around 9.30, 10 o 'clock, so in about an hour, hour and a half at the latest.
		I'll be back here doing America First on this channel, so make sure to subscribe, smash the like button, leave a comment, you know, all that stuff.
		I'm going to have something to eat, I'm going to change, and then I will be back.
		Tonight we're going to be covering all the latest in the Iran-Israel war.
		You know, this stream we just reviewed the Ted Cruz-Tucker Carlson interview.
		But tonight we're going to talk about all the latest developments, and it seems like there's quite a few.
		Trump says that he's going to make a decision within two weeks.
		Israel says they're going to kill the Ayatollah.
		Last night, there were some major Iranian ballistic missile sites on Tel Aviv and throughout Israel.
		Apparently, there's some new form of drone that flew across the entire country.
		So we're going to cover all that.
		We might cover some other stuff.
		So stay tuned.
		But that's the end of this stream.
		We're going to get some cuck on here.
		We're going to get our cuck on.
unidentified		All right.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'll see you guys later.

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