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Oct. 26, 2024 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes
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Trump on Joe Rogan LIVE REVIEW | America First Ep. 1413
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unidentified
Music.
Thank you.
.
Thank you.
They don't know what they are supporting.
They don't know how bad it has gotten.
nick fuentes
They don't know what is necessary to make the difference.
They didn't hear us on Twitter.
They didn't hear us on True Social.
They just censored the hashtags.
They didn't hear us when we emailed them.
And they didn't hear us when the Washington Post and every other news media outlet reported it.
For that reason, the Goyper War will continue and we will accelerate and intensify our plans.
We have to deploy to Michigan and we have to make it hurt as much as possible.
If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first.
michelle malkin
My own narrative is not one of some sudden looming bolt of lightning out of the blue.
It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.
And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.
unidentified
Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?
michelle malkin
I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Greupel Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty.
And, of course, defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who, through an increasing amount of activism, are really going to ensure the future and the success of that movement.
unidentified
"The Greatest"
"The Greatest" The End
The End
Me and the Groypers will save the Trump campaign.
nick fuentes
We will give a voice to all of the rightful frustrations that the Trump supporters have, whether they're willing to direct their anger at me or the campaign, and I'll let them know.
We love Trump.
I love Trump.
We all love Trump.
unidentified
And if they don't make the course correction, then it's on them.
donald j trump
Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people.
This election will determine whether we're a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system, and our system is rigged.
This is reality.
unidentified
You know it, they know it, I know it, and pretty much the whole world knows it.
nick fuentes
This is not the Trump campaign from 2016.
It's worse.
I see this stuff and I have to wonder, why has nobody been fired?
Isn't that Trump's trademark?
That if results aren't happening, that you're fired?
Isn't that the whole trademark?
Someone needs to be fired.
It happened back in 2016.
He went through campaign managers and advisors all the time.
And it was good.
It kept things fresh.
It kept things competitive.
It was interesting.
Fire Chris LaCivita.
Fire Susie Wiles.
Get new campaign managers.
Fix this campaign before it's too late.
Before we blow it again.
We want Trump to win.
We want America first.
But you are letting us down.
You're blowing it.
This is the biggest missed opportunity in history.
You're blowing it for Trump.
You're blowing it for us.
And we're not going to let it happen.
You have alienated us.
You have ignored us.
You don't listen to our concerns.
We have been left behind.
The Trump movement and the GOP have moved on without us.
It serves Israel and corporations and immigrants, but it doesn't serve Native Americans.
What about Native Americans?
I don't want to hear any more about communism.
I don't want to hear any more about Vance.
I don't want to hear about whatever.
And the message is simple.
America first.
Native Americans.
America only.
No Israel.
No corporations.
No foreign influence.
No foreigners.
No immigrants.
None of that.
Just America.
America first and Christ the King.
So this is a call to all Christians, immigration restrictionists, foreign policy non-interventionists, trade protectionists, those in favor of industrial policy, patriots, nativists, nationalists, non-interventionists, traditionalists that are not happy with the state of the Trump campaign.
unidentified
You are being recruited.
nick fuentes
Trump is a peaceful man.
We're declaring war on the evil Trump campaign.
He needs to be liberated.
We will liberate him.
We will make him independent from his donors.
We will make him independent from Silicon Valley.
We will make him independent from foreign influence.
Otherwise, and if we don't succeed, there's no hope.
You're done.
If we don't succeed, if this doesn't work, there's no hope.
You either get Kamala, and it's total left-wing oppression, it's total bullshit, BLM nonsense, or if you get Trump, it's gonna be total Zionist corporate domination.
So if we don't succeed, it's over.
You need to get involved in this, or honestly, just quit.
In 2024, we are going to fight the hostile takeover.
It's a different battle.
But it's the same war.
We're going to fight and save Trump from his own people.
donald j trump
The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, the more certain you should be that you must keep pushing ahead.
unidentified
Because it's the outsiders who change the world and who make a real and lasting difference.
donald j trump
Nothing worth doing ever came easy.
unidentified
Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.
donald j trump
The future belongs to the people who follow their heart no matter what the critics say.
unidentified
We must always remember that we share one home And one glorious destiny.
donald j trump
We all bleed the same red blood of patriots.
unidentified
We all salute the same great American flag.
donald j trump
Our best days are yet to come.
unidentified
I am officially running for president of the United States.
We need a leader.
I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created.
It can be wonderful if you have smart people, but we have people that are stupid.
The American dream is dead.
But if I get elected president, I will bring it back.
Bigger and better and stronger than ever before.
We are the American dream.
donald j trump
And we will make America great again.
We will make America great again.
And we will make America great again.
We will make America great again.
unidentified
We will make America great again.
We will make America great again.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
donald j trump
And we will make America great again.
We will make America great again.
And we will make America great again.
And we will make America great again.
unidentified
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
donald j trump
We will make America great again.
unidentified
America great again.
We are home, we are home, we are home, we are home, we are home, we are home.
But as soon as people start playing games, I stopped. I stopped.
I stop playing games.
And at any moment, I can check that yay button.
Thank you.
This is from your biggest Protestant family.
nick fuentes
May you one day see the light.
unidentified
Well, hey, thanks.
nick fuentes
Love you too, but sorry.
unidentified
I believe in a religion that makes sense, so...
Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Donald Trump, were all cut from the same cloth, and that cloth is very, very large.
donald j trump
It's not too big, is it?
unidentified
Hey.
Kill yourself.
It's wrong, isn't it?
It feels so right.
It's a deal.
I put together some really impressive deals.
I like that.
Go big or go home.
Donald Trump.
You know, you're really beautiful.
A woman that looks like that has to have a special set.
It's the title.
Oh, my God.
Hey, Donald.
You look great.
Thank you very much.
I'm done with it.
This is my style.
Listen, are you begging here?
Huh?
Are you?
No, no.
You speak to fact.
I'm calling this.
No.
Look at this right here on the street.
It's Donald Trump.
He was.
It's Donald Trump.
It's here.
It's here.
It's on Monday Night Live.
Everything's set for tonight, Mr. Trump.
Trump.
I wonder what Trump's game is this time.
Trump's got a new day.
Hey, come get a new deal.
What's your game, though?
Heard about Trump's new deal?
What?
Mr. Trump! Trump has a new game.
What is it?
Mr. Trump! Mr. Trump! Mr. Trump!
My new game is Trump.
The game.
Trump. The game.
This sounds like political presidential Trump.
I'm not.
You said, though, that if you did run for president, you believe you'd win.
I like that.
I would say that I would have a hell of a chance of winning.
Maybe I went to lose.
I've never gone into losing my life.
I don't know how your audience goes, but I think people are tired of seeing the United States ripped off.
That's the guy in the bar, right?
That's me.
Thank you.
I believe that.
Okay, kids, make it fast.
I've got to play the game.
He created a magazine.
Mr. Trump, we can do it.
Scamgy.
I believe so.
I believe so.
I believe so.
That's right.
Dare I say it? .
nick fuentes
I am declaring a new Gruper war against the Trump campaign until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
donald j trump
Pray on our enemies when we die.
unidentified
Take a breath.
Only one go walk away when we collide.
I will fight for you with every breath in my body, and I will never, ever let you down.
nick fuentes
A new droiper war.
unidentified
Yeah, nigga this war, nigga this war.
I'm tricking bodies on the floor.
I'm with it all.
I talk to my demons and I see the writings on the wall.
Niggas is dying when it's so wet.
I get excited for them coals.
And Noah ain't crying when he gone.
Cause Brody was fighting for the coals.
nick fuentes
they don't know what they are supporting they don't know how bad it has gotten they don't know what is necessary to make the difference They didn't hear us on Twitter.
They didn't hear us on True Social.
They just censored the hashtags.
They didn't hear us when we emailed them.
And they didn't hear us when the Washington Post and every other news media outlet reported it.
For that reason, the Goyper War will continue.
And we will accelerate and intensify our plans.
We have to deploy to Michigan and we have to make it hurt as much as possible.
If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first.
unidentified
I'm dead with the... I'm dead with the...
layne staley [aic]
I'm dead with...
I'm dead with the...
unidentified
And they've been put on notice.
If you fuck around with us, if you do something bad to us, we are going to do things to you that have never been done before.
Don't sit yet.
I didn't like this.
Waste out to the main love that you're wasting.
Waste out to the main drugs that I'm wasting.
Waste out to the main drug that I'm wasting.
Waste out to the main love that you're wasting.
Waste out to the main drugs that I'm wasting.
Waste out to the main drug that I'm wasting.
Waste out to the main drug that I'm wasting.
The socialists, globalists, Marxists, communists who are attacking our civilization have no idea of the sleeping giant they have awoken.
They cannot even begin to imagine the brave and righteous spirit they've unleashed in men and women.
But they're going to find out the hard way.
They will find out like never before.
This nation belongs to you.
layne staley [aic]
Belongs to me.
donald j trump
It was patriots like you that built this country, and it's patriots like you that are going to save our country.
unidentified
To all of those who think that they can coerce and subjugate the citizens of this land, hear these words.
For me tonight, the people of America will not surrender our bodies.
We will not surrender our culture.
We will not surrender our faith.
We will not surrender our values.
We will not surrender our history.
We will not surrender our liberty.
And above all, we will not surrender our children.
We are done with their distorted visions for America.
donald j trump
It's time to start talking about greatness for our country again.
We want our country to be great again.
We want our country to be respected The time for action has come.
unidentified
As long as we are led by politicians who will not put America first, then we can be assured that other nations will not treat America with respect, The respect that we deserve.
The respect that we deserve.
The respect that we deserve.
nick fuentes
Senior advisors Chris Lasavita and Susie Wiles should be terminated immediately.
unidentified
Let me ask you about Project 2025.
Never heard of it.
They're a pain in the ass.
By nature, political consultants, we want to control everything.
Right?
Yeah.
We want to control everything, including the candidate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
donald j trump
These interests have rigged our political and economic system for their exclusive benefits because they have total control.
unidentified
They pull the strings.
donald j trump
My message is that things have to change and they have to change right now.
unidentified
If you miss this version of Trump, you have his campaign managers Chris Lasavita and Susie Wiles to blame.
LaCivita was found liking posts on Twitter advocating for the 25th Amendment to be invoked and to remove Trump from office on January 6.
And Wiles wants Trump to abandon his loyal base in order to pander to minorities who won't turn out to vote for him regardless.
Chris Lasavita and Susie Wiles are responsible for Trump's drastic change in rhetoric and his failure in the polls.
If you want Trump to win, he must fire these disloyal saboteurs.
Use the hashtags FireLessEvita and FireWiles to save Trump from these swamp creatures.
FireLessEvita
and FireWiles FireLessEvita and FireWiles
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yo, yo, are you bitches on the campaign trail?
Trump about to lose to an Indian with coconuts, and you think this a joke?
Trump just got shot in the ear, and you are losing to a cackling, fubbly woman who speaks in ebonics when she's around minorities.
Yo, yo, Donald Trump, how pathetic can you be?
You fired people for a living, and now you sound like a bitch.
You used to be the mean god, and now you sound like a bitch.
You are losing this campaign because you staffed it with a bunch of gays.
Who the hell is running your shit?
Whoever it is needs to be fired on national TV. You look like a straight up bitch and you are not gonna win if you don't fire people in front of the entire world.
You are going to be sent to prison, you dumbass.
Don't you understand?
Our country is falling apart and you letting Indian women cast spells on the entire party and blaspheme our lord, bro, Trump.
You better get it right or these coconuts are going to be placed on your forehead at night like a sweaty, salty, gripper ball sack.
Do you smell that?
It is the smell of curry and coconuts.
Yeah, that's the smell of your defeat.
You will forever be known as the loser that lost to an AD IQ Indian woman.
Your entire legacy will go down a toilet if you do not fire your campaign staffers on national television.
Jamie Vance, what kind of decision was that?
Fire his ass.
What the hell are you thinking?
Coconuts?
Donald?
You are going to be force-fed currying coconuts in prison if you don't fire all of your campaign staffers because you are losing this election.
You need to get it right.
Call Nick Fuentes and the rapper formerly known as Kanye West, you idiot Creeper War II, Creeper War II, Trump's campaign sucks, the creeper's coming for you Yo, yo, yo, you used to be a badass But now you sound like shit and you straight up look like ass Who the hell is running your campaign, Donald?
Did you change your mind on DEA? You would have better like hiring a random guy from one of your rallies.
At least you know that he would rather die and see you look like shit on national television.
Right now your campaign staffers are intentionally making you look like shit.
And when you lose America, it's gonna smell like curry of coconuts and you will be in prison.
But hey, maybe they'll send you to Guantanamo Bay and you will never We never have to deal with the country that you let go to shit, but we will.
So what the fuck, dude?
We have to live in this shithole after you lose.
So how about you fire these idiots and hire us?
You've got nothing to lose.
Except your freedom and your empire and your family and your legacy.
Yeah, you have a lot to lose.
Idiots, so fire their asses and heart the fuck up, dude.
Dude.
Gripe Reward 2.
Gripe Reward 2.
Your campaign sucks.
Yeah, we're coming for you Great reward to great reward to your campaign sucks.
nick fuentes
Yeah, we're coming for you Me and the great first will save the Trump campaign We will give a voice to all of the rightful frustrations that the Trump supporters have, whether they're willing to direct their anger at me or at the campaign, and I'll let them know.
We love Trump.
I love Trump.
We all love Trump.
unidentified
And if they don't make the boys collection, then it's on them.
We are going to make our country great again.
We are going to make our country great again.
As a mystery, running with the crazy crowd.
I'm climbing, going higher.
I don't care if I ever come down.
Sun-sarming, I can miss you.
Hair, I'll whip around.
So higher, you're my head.
I don't care if I ever come down Sixty
donald j trump
-nine.
Now it's time for new believable people.
And we must do it.
If we don't control insiders, this will be over and over.
unidentified
To lead by and any big fat love, find common ground to hold the spread of lies.
donald j trump
And we must do it.
unidentified
Big, fat, love.
Find common ground to hold the spread of lies.
And any.
donald j trump
America first.
America first.
Non-fatal.
We want to build a much better, believable people.
And we must do it.
Non-fatal.
unidentified
Communication.
Very much higher.
donald j trump
America first.
To lead by an 80.
Insiders fighting for insiders.
Time to stop.
Insiders fighting for insiders.
unidentified
More of.
donald j trump
Insiders fighting for insiders.
Time to stop.
Insiders fighting for insiders.
America first Love the flow 69 Now it's time for new believable people.
And we must do it.
If we don't control insiders, this will be over and over.
unidentified
To lead by and any big fat love, find common ground to hold the spread of lies.
donald j trump
And we must do it.
Big, fat, love Find common ground To hold the spread of lies And eat America first America first Non-fatal We want to build a much better believable people and we must do it.
Non-fatal.
Communication.
Very much higher.
unidentified
America first.
donald j trump
To lead by an egg.
Insiders fighting for insiders.
unidentified
Time to stop.
donald j trump
Insiders fighting for insiders.
unidentified
More of.
donald j trump
Insiders fighting for insiders.
Time to stop.
Insiders fighting for insiders.
unidentified
America first.
Love the flow.
President Obama will go down as perhaps the worst president in the history of the United States at real Donald Trump.
Well, at real Donald Trump, at least I will go down as a president.
Now America is once again at a moment of reckoning.
Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people.
We will make America great again.
I love this country.
It's payback time.
donald j trump
We're gonna take our country back from these people.
nick fuentes
I will never be president.
unidentified
I will move to Spain or somewhere.
We're gonna win at so many levels.
We're gonna win, win, win.
We will make America great again.
I love you!
President-elect, We're
nick fuentes
gonna have to be the villain.
I'll be the villain.
Call me whatever you want.
If they want to say you're making us lose, good!
unidentified
Let them say that and let them fix it.
nick fuentes
If the Trump campaign can't win over the loyalists from 2016, if that's the case, we know that Trump is not in control.
If Susie Wiles and Chris Lasavita, two never-Trumpers, two election fraud deniers, if they're really in control, if that's who's running it, if we don't get anything out of this campaign, then it should lose.
They hate when people play politics, but we have to play politics.
They want us to just shut up and vote.
Yeah, shutting up and voting for the GOP, not really working out.
The only thing that we can do is the unthinkable.
The Trump campaign is still, in my view, getting an F rating on immigration, on war, and on personnel. getting an F rating on immigration, on war, and on For that reason, the Groyper War will continue.
We have to deploy to Michigan, and we have to make it hurt as much as possible.
We will wait and watch for a J.D. Vance or Donald Trump campaign event and we will counter-program it with a large crowd.
And we will deliver our grievances and our complaints of how this campaign is not living up to America first.
But as long as things keep going the way they are, we will only step up and escalate and intensify our tactics to remind Republicans that Donald Trump is no longer an America First candidate.
They don't know what is necessary to make the difference.
And what is necessary is to exert the same pressure on the Trump campaign on behalf of America First that any other donor, lobbyist, or special interest exerts on that campaign with their money.
If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first.
donald j trump
Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people.
This election will determine whether we're a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system and our system is rigged.
unidentified
This is reality.
You know it, they know it, I know it, and pretty much the whole world knows it.
nick fuentes
This is not the Trump campaign from 2016.
unidentified
It's worse.
nick fuentes
I see this stuff, and I have to wonder, why has nobody been fired?
Isn't that Trump's trademark?
That if results aren't happening, that people are fired?
Isn't that the whole trademark?
Someone needs to be fired.
It happened back in 2016.
He went through campaign managers and advisors all the time.
And it was good.
It kept things fresh.
It kept things competitive.
It was interesting.
Fire Chris LaCivita.
Fire Susie Wiles.
Get new campaign managers.
Fix this campaign before it's too late.
Before we blow it again.
We want Trump to win.
We want America first.
But you are letting us down.
You're blowing it.
This is the biggest missed opportunity in history.
You're blowing it for Trump.
You're blowing it for us.
And we're not going to let it happen.
You have alienated us.
You have ignored us.
You don't listen to our concerns.
We have been left behind.
The Trump movement and the GOP have moved on without us.
It serves Israel and corporations and immigrants, but it doesn't serve Native Americans.
What about Native Americans?
I don't want to hear any more about communism.
I don't want to hear any more about Vance.
I don't want to hear about whatever.
And the message is simple.
America first.
Native Americans.
America only.
No Israel.
No corporations.
No foreign influence.
unidentified
No foreigners.
nick fuentes
No immigrants.
None of that.
Just America.
America first and Christ the King.
So this is a call to all Christians, immigration restrictionists, foreign policy non-interventionists, trade protectionists, those in favor of industrial policy, patriots, nativists, nationalists, non-interventionists, traditionalists that are not happy with the state of the Trump campaign, you are being recruited.
Trump is a peaceful man.
We're declaring war on the evil Trump campaign.
He needs to be liberated.
We will liberate him.
We will make him independent from his donors.
We will make him independent from Silicon Valley.
We will make him independent from foreign influence.
Otherwise, and if we don't succeed, there's no hope.
You're done.
If we don't succeed, if this doesn't work, there's no hope.
You either get Kamala, and it's total left-wing oppression, it's total bullshit, BLM nonsense, or if you get Trump, it's gonna be total Zionist corporate domination.
So if we don't succeed, it's over.
You need to get involved in this, or honestly, just quit.
In 2024, we are going to fight the hostile takeover.
It's a different battle.
But it's the same war.
We're going to fight and save Trump from his own people.
unidentified
We're going to fight and save Trump from his own people.
We're going to fight and save Trump from his own people.
donald j trump
Don't sit yet.
unidentified
Get it like this.
Waste in the city ain't love, it's a waste.
Marxists, communists who are attacking our civilization have no idea of the sleeping giant they have awoken.
They cannot even begin to imagine the brave and righteous spirit they've unleashed in men and women.
But they're going to find out the hard way.
They will find out like never before.
This nation belongs to you.
Belongs to you.
donald j trump
It was patriots like you that built this country, and it's patriots like you that are going to save our country.
unidentified
To all of those who think that they can coerce and subjugate the citizens of this land, hear these words.
For me tonight, the people of America will not surrender our bodies.
We will not surrender our culture.
We will not surrender our faith.
We will not surrender our values.
We will not surrender our history.
We will not surrender our liberty, and above all, we will not surrender our children.
We are done with their distorted visions for America.
donald j trump
It's time to start talking about greatness for our country again.
We want our country to be great again.
We want our country to be respected.
unidentified
I don't want to take any love, it's a question.
What's the time of our needs, trials and events?
What's the time of our needs, what's the time of our needs?
What's the time of our needs, what's the time of our needs?
The time for action has come.
As long as we are led by politicians who will not put America first, then we can be assured that other nations will not treat America with respect, The respect that we deserve.
The respect that we deserve.
The respect that we deserve.
paul harvey
And on June 14, 1946, God looked down on his planned paradise and said, I need a caretaker.
So God gave us Trump.
God said, I need somebody willing to get up before dawn, fix this country, work all day, fight the Marxists, eat supper, then go to the Oval Office and stay past midnight at a meeting of the heads of state, so God made Trump.
I need somebody with arms, strong enough to rustle the deep state, and yet gentle enough to deliver his own grandchild.
Somebody to ruffle the feathers.
Tame, cantankerous World Economic Forum.
Come home hungry.
Have to wait until the First Lady is done with lunch with friends.
Then tell the ladies to be sure and come back real soon.
And mean it.
So God gave us Trump.
I need somebody who can shape an axe, but wield a sword.
Who had the courage to step foot in North Korea.
Who can make money from the tar of the sand, turn liquid to gold, who understands the difference between tariffs and inflation, will finish his 40-hour week by Tuesday noon, but then put in another 72 hours.
So God made Trump.
God had to have somebody willing to go into the den of vipers, call out the fake news for their tongues as sharp as a serpent's.
The poison of vipers is on their lips, and yet stop.
So God made Trump.
God said, I need somebody who will be strong and courageous.
Who will not be afraid or terrified of the wolves when they attack.
A man who cares for the flock.
A shepherd to mankind who won't ever leave nor forsake them.
I need the most diligent worker to follow the path.
And remain strong in faith.
And know the belief of God and country.
Somebody who's willing to drill, bring back manufacturing and American jobs, farm the lands, secure our borders, build our military, fight the system all day, and finish a hard week's work by attending church on Sunday.
And then his oldest son turns and says, Dad, let's make America great again.
Dad, let's build back a country to be the envy of the world again.
So God made Trump.
nick fuentes
We want to make America great again.
I don't want to prove to liberals that I'm not racist.
I want to make America great again.
The logical expression and conclusion of make America great again and America first, then, is the Groypers in 2019.
It's the Christian nationalist movement now.
The answer to globalism is nationalism.
The answer to nihilism and apathy is Christianity.
The answer to leftism is reactionary politics, the generalism and the universalism of the globalists.
The answer to that is localism, the local, particular, native culture of the Americans.
The answer to the current hegemonic cult that runs America, the answer to globalist establishment, is American nationalism.
It's right here.
It's not populism.
unidentified
It's not multiracial, working class populism.
nick fuentes
It's not economic nationalism.
unidentified
It's not about voting rights and it's not about the economy.
nick fuentes
It's about people, and it's about nations, and it's about God, and it's about our souls.
unidentified
You're good.
It's okay.
layne staley [aic]
It's okay.
nick fuentes
I am a free human being, and I'm saying America first, America only, America forever.
unidentified
And I say to the police and the military and the government, if you're not with us, then you're against us!
We're about to get stepped on and spit on by these animals that have ruined our country!
*Cries* You You You You You You You You You You
You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You Outro
Music
michelle malkin
Outro Music
It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.
And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.
unidentified
Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?
michelle malkin
I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Griper Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty and, of course,
defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who through an increasing amount of activism are really going to ensure the future and the success of that movement.
unidentified
One, three, two, one.
Let me see your hands to bring you outside in my lane.
I've been with gangstos and ganglones hanging out the window, let it burn.
Thank you so much everybody.
Can I just say, are you trusting Brian Adams?
donald j trump
Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people.
The Washington establishment and the financial and media corporations that fund it exist for only one reason, to protect and enrich itself.
The establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election.
For those who control the levers of power in Washington and for the global special interest, they partner with these people that don't have your good in mind.
Our campaign represents a true existential threat like they haven't seen before.
This is not simply another four-year election.
This is a crossroads in the history of our civilization that will determine whether or not we the people reclaim control over our government.
The political establishment That is trying to stop us is the same group responsible for our disastrous trade deals, massive illegal immigration, and economic and foreign policies that have bled our country dry.
The political establishment has brought about the destruction of our factories and our jobs as they flee to Mexico, China, and other countries all around the world.
It's a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth, and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities.
This is a struggle for the survival of our nation, and this will be our last chance to save it.
This election will determine whether we're a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system, and our system is rigged.
This is reality.
unidentified
You know it, they know it, I know it, and pretty much the whole world knows it.
donald j trump
The thing that said, take a look at what happened.
unidentified
These are people who work hard, but no longer have a voice.
I am your voice.
Me and the Grypers will save the Trump campaign.
nick fuentes
We will give a voice to all of the rightful frustrations that the Trump supporters have, whether they're willing to direct their anger at me or the campaign, and I'll let them know.
unidentified
We love Trump.
nick fuentes
I love Trump.
We all love Trump.
unidentified
And if they don't make the course correction, then it's on them.
nick fuentes
He was saying to me, he's like, this is probably pretty cool for you.
I'm like, yeah, it is.
unidentified
Trump is melting down at Mar-a-Lago as he watches his pull and lead evaporate against Kamala Harris.
In a time like that, a lot of campaign gurus might throw their old playbook out the window, but not Chris Lasavito.
nick fuentes
A war has been waged in the shadows to take control of his movement and his brand.
It has been hijacked!
unidentified
The attacks free to go!
All Trump patriots now!
These are the forgotten men and women of our country.
And they are forgotten.
donald j trump
But they're not gonna be forgotten long.
unidentified
You've done a hell of a lousy job!
You're fired!
Get out of here!
What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
Outro Music.
nick fuentes
We're gonna have to be the villain.
I'll be the villain.
Call me whatever you want.
If they want to say you're making us lose, good.
unidentified
Let them say that and let them fix it.
nick fuentes
If the Trump campaign can't win over the loyalists from 2016, if that's the case, we know that Trump is not in control.
If Susie Wiles and Chris Lasavita, two never-Trumpers, two election fraud deniers, if they're really in control, if that's who's running it, if we don't get anything out of this campaign, then it should lose.
They hate when people play politics, but we have to play politics.
They want us to just shut up and vote.
Yeah, shutting up and voting for the GOP, not really working out.
The only thing that we can do is the unthinkable.
donald j trump
I will fight for you with every breath in my body, and I will never, ever let you down.
nick fuentes
A new droiper war.
unidentified
Yeah, nigga, this war.
I'm tricking bodies on the floor.
I'm with it all.
I talk to my demons, and I see the writings on the wall.
Niggas is dying when it's on work.
I get excited for them coals.
And no one ain't crying when he gone.
Cause Brody was fighting for the cold.
I do this shit for my brothers.
We do this shit for each other.
The courageous fallen!
The anguished fallen!
Their lives have meaning because we, the living, refuse to forget them!
And as we ride to certain death, we trust our successors to do the same for us!
Because my soldiers do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world!
My soldiers push forward!
My soldiers scream out!
My soul just reads!
I can't see a damn thing fake, what?
Yeah!
They like Stevie.
They can't see me.
They wanna beat me.
I'm in that guinea.
When's my zucchini?
Wanna feed me too.
I got war two.
Uh-uh, campaign sucks.
Yeah, we're coming for you.
Kuiper war two.
Kuiper war two.
Trump's campaign sucks.
The Kuiper's coming for you.
Yo, yo, are you bitches on the campaign?
Trump about to lose to an Indian with coconuts and you think this a joke?
Trump just got shot in the ear and you are losing to a cackling, bubbly woman who speaks in her body when she is around minorities.
Yo, yo, Donald Trump, how pathetic can you be?
You fired people for a living and now you sound like a bitch.
You used to be the mean god and now you sound like a bitch.
You are losing this campaign because you staffed it with a bunch of gays.
Who the hell is running your shit?
Whoever it is needs to be fired on national TV. You look like a straight up Do you smell that?
It is the smell of curry and coconuts.
Yeah, that's the smell of your defeat.
You will forever be known as the loser that lost to an ADIQ Indian woman.
Your entire legacy will go down a toilet if you do not fire your campaign staffers on national television.
Jamie Vance, what kind of decision was that?
Fire his ass.
What the hell are you thinking?
Coconuts?
Donald?
You are going to be force-fed currying coconuts in prison If you don't fire all of your campaign staffers Because you are losing this election You need to get it right Call Nick Fuentes and the rapper formerly known as Kanye West You idiot Creeper War II Creeper War II Trump's campaign sucks The creeper's coming for you Yo, yo, yo, you used to be a badass But now you sound like shit and you straight up look like ass Who the hell is running your campaign?
Donald, did you change your mind on DEA?
You would have better like hiring a random guy from one of your rallies At least you know that he would rather die and see you look like shit on national television.
Right now your campaign staffers are intentionally making you look like shit.
And when you lose, America's gonna smell like curry and coconuts and you will be in prison.
But hey, maybe they'll send you to Guantanamo Bay We'll never have to deal with the country that you let go to shit, but we will.
So what the fuck, dude?
We have to live in this shithole after you lose.
So how about you fire these idiots and hire us?
You've got nothing to lose.
Except your freedom and your empire and your family and your legacy.
Yeah, you have a lot to lose.
Idiots so fire their asses and heart the fuck up, dude.
Dude.
Griper War 2.
Griper War 2.
Your campaign sucks.
Yeah, we're coming for you.
Great reward too.
Great reward too.
Your campaign sucks.
Yeah, we're coming for you.
donald j trump
Years from now, some of them may look back and ask themselves whether they've made the right choice. some of them may look back and ask themselves whether Whether they've made the most of the opportunities they've been given.
Together, we have the same mission.
Over the course of your life, you will find that things are not always fair.
You will find that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that are not always warranted.
But you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight.
unidentified
Never, ever, ever give up.
donald j trump
Don't give in.
unidentified
Don't back down.
donald j trump
And never stop doing what you know is right.
Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy.
And the more righteous you fight, the more opposition that you will face.
In your hearts are inscribed the values of service, sacrifice, and devotion.
Now you must go forth into the world and turn your hopes and dreams into action.
America has always been the land of dreams because America is a nation of true believers.
When the pilgrims landed, At Plymouth, they prayed.
When the founders wrote the Declaration of Independence, they invoked our Creator four times.
Because in America, we don't worship government, we worship God.
It is why our currency proudly declares, in God we trust.
And it's why we proudly proclaim that we are one nation under God.
The story of America is the story of an adventure that began with deep faith, big dreams, and humble beginnings.
The next generation of American leaders.
unidentified
Never, ever give up.
donald j trump
There'll be times in your life you'll want to quit.
unidentified
Never quit.
donald j trump
Never stop fighting for what you believe in and for the people who care about you.
Carry yourself with dignity and pride.
unidentified
Demand the best from yourself.
donald j trump
The more people tell you it's not possible, that it can't be done, the more you should be absolutely determined to prove them wrong.
unidentified
Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.
donald j trump
Relish the opportunity to be an outsider.
The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, The more certain you should be that you must keep pushing ahead.
unidentified
You must keep pushing forward.
donald j trump
And always have the courage to be yourself.
America is better when people put their faith into action.
Pray to God.
And follow his teachings.
Today, each of you begins a new chapter as well.
When your story goes from here, it will be defined by your vision, your perseverance, and your grit You will build a future where we have the courage to chase our dreams no matter what the cynics and the doubters have to say.
You will have the confidence to speak the hopes in your hearts and to express the love that stirs your souls.
As long as you have pride in your beliefs, courage in your convictions, and faith in God, Then you will not fail.
But as long as America remains true to its values, loyal to its citizens, and devoted to its creator, then our best days are yet to come.
unidentified
*music*
*music* May God bless the United States of America.
donald j trump
And I just want to let you know that God blesses you.
And I want to just say you are special in every way.
God bless you and God bless America.
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
know what they are supporting.
nick fuentes
They don't know how bad it has gotten.
They don't know what is necessary to make the difference.
They didn't hear us on Twitter.
They didn't hear us on True Social.
They just censored the hashtags.
They didn't hear us when we emailed them.
And they didn't hear us when the Washington Post and every other news media outlet reported it.
For that reason, the Goyper War will continue and we will accelerate and intensify our plans.
We have to deploy to Michigan and we have to make it hurt as much as possible.
If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first.
michelle malkin
My own narrative is not one of some sudden looming bolt of lightning out of the blue.
It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.
And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.
unidentified
Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?
michelle malkin
I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Greupel Wars of 2019 when so many of these brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning him about his undying loyalty.
And, of course, defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars of the burgeoning America First movement who, through an increasing amount of activism, are really going to ensure the future and the success of that movement.
unidentified
*music*
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layne staley [aic]
*music* *music* *music* *music*
nick fuentes
We will give a voice to all of the rightful frustrations that the Trump supporters have, whether they're willing to direct their anger at me or at the campaign, and I'll let them know.
We love Trump.
I love Trump.
We all love Trump.
unidentified
And if they don't make the choice correction, then it's on them.
donald j trump
Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people.
This election will determine whether we're a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system and our system is rigged.
unidentified
This is reality.
You know it, they know it, I know it, and pretty much the whole world knows it.
nick fuentes
This is not the Trump campaign from 2016.
unidentified
It's worse.
nick fuentes
I see this stuff, and I have to wonder, why has nobody been fired?
Isn't that Trump's trademark?
That if results aren't happening, that you're fired?
Isn't that the whole trademark?
Someone needs to be fired.
It happened back in 2016.
He went through campaign managers and advisors all the time.
And it was good.
It kept things fresh.
It kept things competitive.
It was interesting.
Fire Chris LaCivita.
Fire Susie Wiles.
Get new campaign managers.
Fix this campaign before it's too late.
Before we blow it again.
We want Trump to win.
We want America first.
But you are letting us down.
You're blowing it.
This is the biggest missed opportunity in history.
You're blowing it for Trump.
You're blowing it for us.
And we're not going to let it happen.
You have alienated us.
You have ignored us.
You don't listen to our concerns.
We have been left behind.
The Trump movement and the GOP have moved on without us.
It serves Israel and corporations and immigrants, but it doesn't serve Native Americans.
What about Native Americans?
I don't want to hear any more about communism.
I don't want to hear any more about Vance.
I don't want to hear about whatever.
And the message is simple.
America first.
Native Americans.
America only.
No Israel.
No corporations.
No foreign influence.
No foreigners.
No immigrants.
None of that.
Just America.
America first and Christ the King.
So this is a call to all Christians, immigration restrictionists, foreign policy non-interventionists, trade protectionists, those in favor of industrial policy, patriots, nativists, nationalists, non-interventionists, traditionalists that are not happy with the state of the Trump campaign, you are being recruited.
Trump is a peaceful man.
We're declaring war on the evil Trump campaign.
He needs to be liberated.
We will liberate him.
We will make him independent from his donors.
We will make him independent from Silicon Valley.
We will make him independent from foreign influence.
Otherwise, and if we don't succeed, there's no hope.
You're done.
If we don't succeed, if this doesn't work, there's no hope.
You either get Kamala, and it's total left-wing oppression, it's total bullshit, BLM nonsense, or if you get Trump, it's gonna be total Zionist corporate domination.
So if we don't succeed, it's over.
You need to get involved in this, or honestly, just quit.
In 2024, we are going to fight the hostile takeover.
It's a different battle.
But it's the same war.
We're going to fight and save Trump from his own people.
donald j trump
The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, the more certain you should be that you must keep pushing ahead.
unidentified
The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, the more certain you should Because it's the outsiders who change the world and who make a real and lasting difference.
donald j trump
Nothing worth doing ever came easy.
unidentified
Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.
donald j trump
The future belongs to the people who follow their heart no matter what the critics say.
unidentified
We must always remember that we share one home And one glorious destiny.
We all bleed the same red blood of patriots.
We all salute the same great American flag.
Our best days are yet to come.
I am officially running for president of the United States.
We need a leader.
I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created.
It can be wonderful if you have smart people, but we have people that are stupid.
The American dream is dead.
Dead.
But if I get elected president, I will bring it back bigger and better and stronger than ever before.
The American dream.
The American dream.
donald j trump
And we will make America great again.
We will make America great again.
And we will make America great again.
We will make America great again.
We will make America great again.
unidentified
We want to go.
We want to go.
donald j trump
And nobody builds walls better than me, believe me.
unidentified
Bigger and better and stronger than ever before.
And we will make America great again.
donald j trump
Thank you.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
donald j trump
And we will make America great again.
We will make America great again.
And we will make America great again.
And we will make America great again.
unidentified
We'll be right back.
We will be right back.
We will be right back.
We will be right back.
I stop playing games.
And at any moment, Not
my words, not my rules.
I can divorce them, alright?
Blackout Scott.
Everything.
Warming on everybody who dared to avoid.
Hey, yo, my ain't cheap.
I'm ready to get shit.
I've been working ways way before the start of kick.
That was in the city when I was just a chick.
With the all black city thinking with the way to fit.
That was in the group shape.
Yo, I wasn't for shit.
Yeah, it was three, six, two tights.
I'm upset.
Yeah, take it to my worst shows.
I go only drop jewels way before they drop shuttle.
First year, I'm looking.
Now I'm looking.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
American first, bitch.
I said, trust me.
I said, trust me.
I said, I can never leave.
I said, dream.
I said, dream.
I said, trust me.
I said, I can never leave.
I said, I can never leave.
I said, dream.
I said, trust me.
No, I don't use a rebel.
This is from your biggest Protestant family.
nick fuentes
May you one day see the light.
Well, hey, thanks.
Love you too, but sorry.
unidentified
I believe in a religion that makes sense, so...
Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Donald Trump, were all cut from the same cloth, and that cloth is very, very large.
donald j trump
It's not too big, is it?
unidentified
Hey.
Kill yourself.
It's wrong, isn't it?
It feels so right.
It's a deal.
I put together some really impressive deals.
I like that.
Go gig or go home.
Donald Trump.
You know, you're really beautiful.
A woman that looks like that has to have a little special set.
It's Madonna.
Oh, my God.
Hey, Donald.
I know what you're doing.
You look great.
Thank you very much.
I'm doing this restaurant.
Listen, are you bagging here?
Huh?
Are you?
What are you doing?
You speak to smack.
I'm calling this.
No.
Look at this right here on the street.
It's Donald Trump.
What?
He was.
The Donald Trump is here.
He's on Monday, Michael.
Everything's set for tonight, Mr. Trump.
Trump.
I wonder what Trump's game is this time.
Trump's got a new day.
Hey, Cuff got a new deal.
Watch your game, darling.
Heard about Cuff's new deal?
What?
Mr. Cuff.
Cuff.
Mr. Cuff.
He said it on the right.
20-something.
He said it on the right.
That's right.
Cuff has a new game.
What is it?
Mr. Cuff.
My new game is Trump.
The game.
Trump.
The game.
This sounds like political presidential.
You said, though, that if you did run for president, you believe you'd win.
I like that.
I would say that I would have a hell of a chance of winning.
I've never run into lose.
I've never run into lose in my life.
I don't know how your audience does, but I think people are tired of seeing the United States ripped off.
That's the guy in the far, right?
Mm-hmm.
Talk to me again.
Thank you.
Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo!
It's going to be only America first.
America first.
America.
The American people will come first once again.
With respect, the respect that we deserve.
From this day forward, it's going to be only America First.
America first America first America first America first
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good evening, everybody. everybody.
nick fuentes
You are watching America First.
My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.
We have a great show for you tonight.
Very excited to be back here with you tonight on Friday.
We have a big show for you tonight.
We're going to be reviewing Donald Trump on Joe Rogan Experience.
This just came out like 20 minutes ago, half hour ago.
So I was planning on covering this on a stream this afternoon and then doing the show tonight.
But it didn't come out literally until after 9 o'clock.
So instead of doing the show, we're going to cover this.
I would be covering Israel's strike on Iran.
I think I'll wait until Monday to cover that.
It's ongoing.
The U.S. government says it will take place over the course of several hours in waves.
So far, it looks minor, but I think that it is going to ramp up.
So we don't have all that information, and I don't think we will until the morning.
So we're going to wait to cover that until Monday.
For tonight, we're going to be live reacting to and reviewing Trump on Joe Rogan.
It's three hours.
I don't know if we'll do the whole thing.
I think we will.
So we're going to get started right away.
So here we go.
This is Donald Trump on Joe Rogan.
And let's see how this goes.
unidentified
goes.
nick fuentes
I'm really interested to see what happens.
unidentified
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
All right, we're rolling.
joe rogan
Good to see you, sir.
Here we go.
One of the things I wanted to talk to you about, I wanted to play this, but we decided we shouldn't play it because it could get copyright strike and we don't want to get the episode, we don't want anybody to have any sort of way to get it down.
nick fuentes
Sure.
joe rogan
But it was the episode of you when you were on The View, and I think it was 2015 or 2016, like when you were running for president.
Right.
You got introduced as our friend Donald Trump.
Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss.
Joy Behar gives you a big hug.
Barbara Walters gives you a big hug.
They all loved you.
They were all talking about how you're...
unidentified
It's so weird seeing him just sitting there.
joe rogan
You might be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially.
They're talking about you in such a favorable light.
The audience was cheering.
And then you actually started winning in the polls and then the machine started working towards you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked and the way they've done it so coordinated and systematically when you see those same people in the past very favorable to you like Oprah when you were on Oprah's show.
unidentified
Very.
joe rogan
She was encouraging you.
donald j trump
Last week I did one of her last shows I think Maybe Thursday or Friday, that was a big deal, being on Oprah's show, the last one.
And I was like one of the last shows in that final week.
And I said, boy, we've come a long way since that.
joe rogan
What was it like?
donald j trump
Well, the concept, it was really like two different lives.
You know, I had a very wonderful life, but I wanted to do this.
The Apprentice was still going very strong.
We had 12 seasons.
And we had actually 14 seasons, 12 years.
They had a couple of them.
joe rogan
Well, they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct?
donald j trump
No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it.
I was involved in that, and I had enough of it, and we did great.
It was doing great, but they wanted me to stay.
They all came to see me.
They said, we're going to give you a contract.
They wanted to extend my contract.
Mark Burnett is a great guy.
And they wanted to extend the contract.
Marx said, you're crazy.
Don't run.
Don't run.
Nobody gives up prime time, they said.
You know, it's one of those little things, which is probably true.
joe rogan
Nobody gives up prime time, though, for being president?
donald j trump
Well, for running against 20-some-odd people, you know.
Turned out to be 18.
18 professional people, you know, mostly politicians.
They said, who would do this?
I mean, it's a long shot.
Actually, the heads of NBC came over, Paul Talegny, all the top people came over to see me try and talk me out of it because they wanted to have me extend.
nick fuentes
The Apprentice was doing— It's so funny how he—whoops.
It's so funny.
Oh, damn it.
Really?
How far in were we?
Oh, come on.
There's a back button on this mouse.
I always hit it on accident.
donald j trump
With a beautiful dress on that became...
joe rogan
Very intelligent people.
donald j trump
And they support me now.
Bill Ackman supports me.
He's been very supportive.
joe rogan
Feuds and stuff.
nick fuentes
You know what's so funny?
The question was about...
So, you were on The View, and they all loved you, and now they're coming after you, they're attacking you, and then it turns into like a three-minute monologue about how The Apprentice was on primetime.
Nobody gives up primetime.
He just can't help himself, man.
donald j trump
I was on The View many, many times, and they loved me.
joe rogan
Just the way people would talk.
I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you.
donald j trump
Because you're right, the view.
I was in the Romney disaster.
The kids were just sort of, to real thought, I thought about it, but never really.
They did a poll.
All the top people came over to see me and talk me out of it because they wanted to have me extend.
The Apprentice was doing well.
So it was 14 seasons.
It was 12 years.
We had one, two seasons where we had a double, which rarely happens.
It was just a hot show.
And I said, you know, I want to do this.
What happened is previously, like three years, four years before that, they did a poll.
They had Mitt Romney, and somehow they put me in a poll, and I blew everybody away.
I blew him away, which isn't that hard, frankly.
But I blew everybody away, and I said, that's interesting, because I never really gave it that much real thought.
I thought about it, but never real thought.
But I saw these polls were very good.
And so I was thinking about doing it then, but I had a contract with The Apprentice.
Plus, I was building two big buildings at the time, and I wanted to make sure they got finished up properly, and it was one of those things.
The kids were just sort of getting involved.
They're very capable kids, but they were getting involved early on.
So I did that.
I got them done.
I had some very good successes.
And I came on and then I thought about it for the next one after the Romney disaster.
And I ran and I won against Hillary.
And it was quite an experience.
But it was a different life because, you're right, The View.
I was on The View many, many times.
And they loved me.
joe rogan
Just the way people would talk.
I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you, there was always feuds and stuff like that.
But the reality was the thing turned on you when they found out that you were going to be president.
It was very coordinated.
And some people are catching on to that now.
There's a lot of people that were longtime Democrats like Elon.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
nick fuentes
It's only been 10 years.
joe rogan
All these different, very intelligent people.
donald j trump
And they support me now.
Bill Ackman supports me.
He's very supportive, too.
joe rogan
This is what I wanted to ask you.
What was it like when you actually got in?
Because nobody really can prepare you for that.
When you're running for president, you don't really know what it's going to be like when you actually get into office.
What did you think it was going to be like?
donald j trump
So do you mean in office or when I decided to run?
joe rogan
No, when you got in.
donald j trump
So when I was in and won and was in the White House, essentially.
Well, first of all, it was very surreal.
joe rogan
I would imagine.
donald j trump
It's very interesting.
When I got shot, it wasn't surreal.
That should have been surreal.
When I was laying on the ground, I knew exactly what was going on.
I knew exactly where I was hit.
They were saying you were hit all over the place because there was so much blood from the ear.
You would know that better than anyone.
When they get the ear torn up.
joe rogan
Ears bleed a lot.
donald j trump
Anyway, so, and I was thinking the other day, When that happened, I really knew where I was.
I knew exactly what happened.
I said I wasn't hit anywhere.
With the presidency, it was a very surreal experience, okay?
joe rogan
And what's day one like?
You win, you get inaugurated.
Holy shit, I'm the president.
donald j trump
Yeah, that's what happened.
So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue.
I just built a building on Pennsylvania.
You know, the hotel, the old post office it was.
We called it Trump National.
And we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria.
And it was a wonderful thing.
But I'm driving down, I'm passing the hotel.
You've never seen so many motorcycles, police, military.
You know, it was a major thing.
I got off really the first time I used Air Force One, landed.
And we're coming down, and it was very beautiful.
I mean, it was incredible.
And we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite direction.
You know, normally you're used to going one way, and all of a sudden you're going the other way.
The street was loaded up.
And I wanted to go out and I wanted to wave to everybody, but that wasn't smart.
You know, the kid's a little bit dangerous, right?
I mean, when you watch like Kennedy and some others, right?
But I really felt, I don't know, the love was so crazy.
And so I did get out of the car for a brief, you know, just for a very short walk.
I thought it was very important to do.
And Melania got out with her beautiful dress on that became...
Sort of a staple.
People loved it and barren.
And we're walking down the street.
But where it really got amazing, we get to the White House.
And now it's a little bit before dark.
Beautiful.
And we went up to the president's quarters.
They call them the presidential quarters.
And I'm standing in this beautiful hallway.
You know, it's funny.
Nobody ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside.
You know, you think it's gonna be, everything's gonna be all metal doors and stuff.
It's not.
It's so beautiful.
I made my money largely on luxury.
The hallway is like 25 feet wide.
The ceiling heights are, you know, every, it's so beautiful.
But I was standing there and I said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln bedroom.
I had never seen the Lincoln bedroom.
I'd heard about the Lincoln bedroom.
And I was standing with my wife.
I said, do you believe it?
This is the Lincoln bedroom.
I mean, it was like, it was amazing.
Because it's, look, if you love the country, but here you are.
The Lincoln bedroom.
And the bed, you know, he was very tall.
He was 6'6", which then would be like Barron.
It would be like Barron Trump.
He's 6'9".
But 6'6", he was very tall.
Then on top of that, he wore that.
There it is.
Yeah, there it is.
It's a long bed, elongated bed.
And because very, you know, people were shorter than you see some of the chairs are very very low to the ground actually, but he had the long bed and they had you had the Gettysburg Address right on that right under that you can't see it here but right there the original version of the Gettysburg Address and this is the original and I'm looking and I just looked around I said do you believe this because I was never a politician.
First of all, even if you were a politician, but I was never a politician.
I sort of just started, right?
And all of a sudden, I'm standing at the White House.
And it was very, very surreal.
That room was so beautiful to me, much more beautiful than it actually is.
You know, to me, when I looked at the bed, and the bed you could see was a little bit longer, had to be a little bit longer.
He lost his son, and they suffered, the two of them suffered from melancholia.
They didn't call it depression.
They called it melancholia, and they suffered from it.
He was a very depressed guy, and she was a very depressed woman, more so than him.
And on top of that, they lost their son, whose name was Tad.
Tad.
And it was just seeing it in the little pictures, a little tiny picture.
I mean, you can't see the details there.
A little tiny, everything the way it was.
A little tiny picture of Tad.
Who he lost.
And it was devastating.
And he was, you know, he was, look, he was in a war.
And he was having a hard time because he couldn't beat Robert E. Lee.
Robert E. Lee won like 13 battles in a row.
And he was getting, like, a phobia, like a fighter.
You know a lot about the fight stuff.
But, like, I went to a UFC fight and it was a champion who was 14 and 1 about a year ago.
You would know the names.
14 and 1, and the only guy he lost to was this one guy, but the guy that he was fighting was like almost just an average fighter.
He lost numerous times, but he beat this one guy.
So I said, okay.
joe rogan
I really don't know who you're talking about.
donald j trump
I will figure it out.
joe rogan
Okay.
donald j trump
But about a year ago, but the point is that he lost.
He wasn't nearly the fighter, but the one who was not nearly the fighter had beaten.
He's the only guy that beat the champ like five years before.
And I said, I'll take the guy that won the other fight.
And that's what happened.
He beat him a second time.
joe rogan
Sometimes psychological advantages.
donald j trump
Yeah, it was this crazy thing.
Lincoln had a...
I don't know.
I've never read this.
I heard it from people in the White House who really understand what was going on with the whole life of the White House.
But Lincoln had the yips about, in a way, as the golfers would say.
He had a phobia about Robert E. Lee.
He said, I can't beat Robert E. Lee because Robert E. Lee won many battles in a row.
He was just beating the hell out of him.
You know, they tried to get Robert E. Lee to be on the North.
But he said, no, I have to be with my state.
You know, the state was his whole thing.
And he went to the South.
And he was I've had generals tell me we have some great generals, the real generals, not the ones you see on television, the ones that beat ISIS with me We defeated ISIS in record time.
It was supposed to take years and we did it in a matter of weeks.
These are great generals.
These are tough guys.
These are not woke guys.
But their favorite general in terms of genius was Robert E. Lee.
In terms of strategy?
Strategically.
He took a war that should have been over in a few days.
And it was, you know, years of hell, of vicious war.
And so here I am standing there.
And again, I had never really done this before.
You know, I ran.
I ran a number of months before I won.
I probably, I guess if you figured max it out, it would be a year, something like that.
So I had never run for office.
And I did well.
I mean, I went into debates.
We had 18 people, including me, and then slowly but surely they started to disappear.
We had debates, good debates.
joe rogan
Everyone's aware of all this stuff.
What I want to get to is like, what was the experience once you got inside?
What did you think it was going to be like in terms of like your...
nick fuentes
Dude, he's yapping.
Trump can't control the yap.
He's just a congenital yapper.
Chronic yapper.
He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
We know all that.
We know all that.
It's like, seriously, thank you.
We're talking about Abraham Lincoln and ISIS and the debates.
Like, okay, okay.
What happened after the inauguration now?
joe rogan
Your ability to govern.
This is your first experience governing anything.
You've never been a governor, you've never been a mayor.
donald j trump
Private stuff.
joe rogan
Business.
But now all of a sudden you're inside the White House.
donald j trump
The biggest thing was just that first moment of being in this hallowed, it was really a hallowed place to me.
It was surreal.
To me, that was the experience.
It was a surreal experience.
And then with time, that wears off.
With time, it becomes a place where you stay.
nick fuentes
Answer the question!
donald j trump
I was doing a lot of...
I had two things that I really focused on.
Governing the country and survival.
Because from the moment I won, before I got to office, all of a sudden, I mean, they came down.
I mean, nobody has ever been treated that way.
And you see that.
I mean, you see where in the Washington Post very early on, they said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts.
And it did.
I mean, it literally started from the beginning.
So I had survival and run the nation.
I had a combination.
Most people don't have the survival.
They get in.
joe rogan
What did you expect, though, in terms of, like, once you got inside, you had to appoint all these people?
How many appointments did you have to make?
donald j trump
Well, you have actually 10,000 appointments.
Now, they're different.
You have big ones, and then they appoint 100 people and 200 people.
But the president really is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments.
So you'll appoint a secretary of state and he or she will appoint a lot of people.
So it's a lot.
But in terms of major ones, you probably have like a hundred, but they're big ones.
Treasury, state, military.
joe rogan
And how did you know who to appoint?
donald j trump
Well, I didn't.
I had no experience.
You have to understand, Joe.
I was there 17 times in Washington, and I never stayed over.
According to the press, which I think is probably right, over the years, I was only there 17 times.
I never stayed over.
So now I'm sitting there, I'm saying, this place is gorgeous, but you know, I don't know anybody.
It's like you.
You know, you go to certain areas and other areas, they may be great.
Washington was great.
Washington's not so great right now.
They're gonna, we gotta fix it.
We gotta make it better.
A very dangerous place, very badly maintained place.
We're gonna make it great.
We're gonna make it better.
We're gonna bring it back.
But I wasn't a Washington guy.
I was a New York guy.
I was a New York builder and I built buildings in New York and I knew that whole world, but I didn't know the Washington world too well.
And all of a sudden you're supposed to be appointing top people.
joe rogan
What did you think it was going to be like?
Did you have any ideas of what it was going to be like and what was different?
donald j trump
Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from the standpoint of a donor.
I was a donor.
You know, I was a big donor.
I gave money to politicians.
I enjoyed politics.
joe rogan
Mostly Democrats, right?
donald j trump
Both, really, pretty much both.
Actually, pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I was very young.
joe rogan
But you were a Democrat until, like, what year?
donald j trump
I was a Democrat.
I could get you the exact, but the early 90s, the early 90s, I switched over eventually.
Actually, they had a reform party.
I was thinking about doing that for a little while, but then fortunately I didn't because it's very hard.
You know, it's a two-party system.
And anytime you hear third party, I know you like RFK Jr.
and so do I. He's a fantastic guy.
joe rogan
I do, but I thought that being independent was nonsense.
donald j trump
It doesn't work.
It doesn't work because even if you do great, you're not going to get Congress.
In other words, you need now to say, okay, now I'll get half of Congress that's never going to vote for you.
So even if you got there, which is very hard...
And I know how you feel about Bobby, and I feel the same way, and he's now with us, but it's pure and simple.
It's a two-party system.
And somebody, I won't mention his name, but somebody spent $250 million trying to get the nomination as a Reform Party candidate or whatever, and they got just nowhere.
You just get eaten.
The system eats you alive.
So it was really somebody that not only was new to Washington but was new to politics.
In the office of the presidency, over the years, all those presidents, you've had 92% were politicians and 8% were generals.
General Eisenhower, General Washington, right?
General George Washington, you had generals.
So it's 8% generals, no admirals, 8% generals.
And 92% politicians.
You know, they're politicians and they go on.
So they never had a business guy or they never had a guy that wasn't elected to an office.
They were all, like Ronald Reagan was really, he was a movie actor, but he became the governor of California for decades.
I think two terms and then he ran.
So you'd never had a thing like this.
But in terms of me, sometimes I'd use it as an excuse.
And I don't like having excuses actually, but I'd use it as an excuse.
I had to rely on people that I respected or liked, but that I didn't know that well because I didn't know them that well.
Some of those people I campaigned against because when you have 18 people, we had mostly politicians running in the election, running in the primaries, and they got knocked out one by one.
But I got to like some of them.
Some of them I didn't like at all.
I don't like them now.
And I'd rely on them and I'd rely on other people.
So all of a sudden...
People would come in, I'd like to recommend so-and-so to be Secretary of State, and I'd have three, four people recommend.
One thing I can tell you, everybody wants the position.
joe rogan
Of course.
donald j trump
No, no, but sometimes I'll hear, a lot of people don't want to work with Trump because Trump is tough to work with, etc.
Let me tell you.
Everybody wants to be any one of these positions.
They die for it.
joe rogan
Of course.
donald j trump
Now, they don't want to be known.
I mean, there's a particular guy in New York, primarily.
Very big, very big, very successful, very strong, very political, although he's not a politician.
He'd give anything to be Secretary of State, but if they ask him, no, I don't think I would do it.
In the meantime, begging for it.
I believe you.
Look, everybody wants it.
By the way, no matter what you do, but it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician because a politician's been basically vetted for years.
You pick a business guy...
And they've never been vetted at all and they're, you know, the head of a big company or something, but they've never been vetted.
You know nothing about his personal life.
You know nothing about where he's been.
When you put them in, it's a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden they get checked up and you hear things that you're saying, wow, this is not going to work out too well.
So it's very dangerous picking Picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous.
joe rogan
So you're kind of stuck in a position where you have to pick established people.
And then the problem with established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system.
donald j trump
And they're stiffs in many cases.
They're survivors.
I find that, you know...
joe rogan
What do you mean by stiffs?
When you say stiffs?
donald j trump
They don't have nothing.
They have nothing.
Or they're smart and survivable.
One little thing.
So there was a congressman...
nick fuentes
You know, it's so funny.
He just, like, can't think anymore.
Like, when he starts to get off script, he can't...
He's not quick.
You can't say anything on the fly.
Like, what's a stiff?
Uh, they have nothing.
Like, what?
You can't talk, dude.
You can't talk.
donald j trump
And I was very close to him.
And I needed a license on something, and he was very important in getting the license.
But it was a little bit controversial, the license, this particular thing that was being licensed.
But I was close to this guy.
And helped him and everything else.
And I went to him, I said, I'd like to have you help.
And he said, let me take a look at it.
I said, oh, that's not too good.
But I really hope you can help.
Anyway, he tapped me along for a long period of time and ultimately didn't do it.
And I said, you are a stiff.
You could have done this thing so easy, etc.
But it was controversial.
He was in Congress for many years, like 28 years.
And, you know, there's a reason.
When somebody's there for 28 years, you've got to be sort of smart.
You know, you have all the scandals.
And I realized he was a survivor.
joe rogan
And so they never do anything controversial.
They never take any chances or speak their opinion.
It's outside of the...
Yeah.
donald j trump
And yet I don't disrespect him for it.
I actually respected the guy more in a certain way.
joe rogan
Because he did survive.
donald j trump
You know what?
He's been there like for 28 years and he made it through.
A lot of people don't make it through.
joe rogan
It's a good way for non-exceptional people to survive.
donald j trump
Well, it is.
It certainly is.
joe rogan
So you're in there.
You have 10,000 appointments you have to make.
So you're getting advice from people.
And at one point, did you have a moment in time where you realized, like, these are bad choices?
Like, some of these people I shouldn't have had in there.
donald j trump
Oh, yeah.
So the one question that you'll ask me, that I think you'll ask me, that people seem to ask, and I always come up with the same answer.
The one mistake, because I had a lot of success.
Great economy, great everything.
Everything was great.
The military, we rebuilt it, biggest tax cuts in history, all this stuff.
We had a great presidency.
Three Supreme Court justices.
Most people get none.
You know, you pick them young.
This way they're there for 50 years, right?
You know, even if a president is there for eight years, oftentimes they never have a chance.
I had three.
It was sort of the luck of the draw.
But I will say that it always comes back to the same answer.
unidentified
One of them died.
nick fuentes
One of them died.
unidentified
Hey, luck of the draw.
donald j trump
No, two of them died.
nick fuentes
Two of them died, right?
unidentified
Scalia and RBG. Love in the draw when two judges die.
It's true, though, but it's kind of funny the way you said it.
donald j trump
I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked.
I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked.
joe rogan
Neocons?
donald j trump
Yeah, neocons or bad people or disloyal people.
unidentified
People that were just bad because you got bad advice.
Yeah.
donald j trump
I mean, look, I mean, you're reading about them a little bit today.
A guy like Kelly, who was a bully, but a weak person.
You know more about bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly.
nick fuentes
He's bringing up the fighting.
donald j trump
He's bad.
Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me because I'd go in with a guy like a John Bolton.
You know John Bolton.
A friend of mine called me up.
I was picking Bolton.
He's a Very smart guy.
His name is Phil Ruffin.
He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas.
He's a great card player.
He doesn't play cards, but he's a great player.
You know, he's just a natural.
He's got poker sense, right?
You know, good old poker sense.
And Phil Ruffin is a very, very wise kind of a guy and one of the richest people around and has had great success and understands people.
So it was in that I was picking Bolton or I picked Bolton.
He called up.
He said, don't pick him.
He's a bad guy.
Now, he wasn't in politics at all.
He's in various businesses.
He said, he's a bad guy.
It always works out bad with that guy.
I said, oh man, I wish you told me this two weeks ago.
I already hired him.
You know, he's here.
And he was right.
But he was good in a certain way.
He's a nut job.
And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh man, Trump's going to go to war with us.
He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East.
They should have never done it.
I used to say it as a civilian.
So I always got more publicity than other people, and it wasn't like I was trying.
In fact, I don't know exactly why.
Maybe you can tell me why.
joe rogan
Oh, I can definitely tell you.
You said a lot of wild shit.
donald j trump
Maybe.
joe rogan
He said a lot of wild shit and then CNN in all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular.
And they boost you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit pre-prepared politician lingo.
And even if they didn't agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is, that's him.
That's really him.
When you see certain people talk, certain people in the public eye, you don't know who they are.
You have no idea who they are.
It's very difficult.
You see them in conversations.
They have these preplanned answers.
They say everything.
It's very rehearsed.
You never get to the meat of it.
One of the beautiful things about you is that you freeball.
You get out and you do these huge events and you're just talking.
We've highlighted you on the show many times when you did this Biden impression where he's walking around and he doesn't know what he's doing.
donald j trump
It's funny.
joe rogan
It's stand-up.
It's funny stuff.
But it's like you, and you were making fun of Elon one time.
You were doing an Elon impression.
It's great.
You have comedic instincts.
Like when you said to Hillary, you'd be in jail.
That's great timing.
But it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician.
Like, no one had done that.
And I think...
donald j trump
You know, it's funny.
You need at least the attitude of a comedian when you're doing this business.
This is a very dangerous business, first of all.
It's a very tough business.
joe rogan
It's the most dangerous business.
donald j trump
Well, for a job?
joe rogan
Yes.
I mean, other than going to war and being a firefighter or being a cop, it's the most dangerous business.
donald j trump
It's the most dangerous.
Being president is the most dangerous.
joe rogan
Especially you.
I mean, you haven't even got to the election.
There's been two assassination attempts.
Brush those out of the news like it was nothing.
donald j trump
Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them.
joe rogan
Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the right, how they would be trying to get guns taken away from people.
They would try to ramp up gun laws.
They would try to figure out some way to blame you.
If there was attacks on Biden, if Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it.
donald j trump
But I think he's in good shape because it's only consequential presidents.
If you take a look at what's happened, look, I'm for having countries pay us billions and billions and trillions even dollars.
I took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China.
Nobody took in 10 cents, not one other president.
I do things that make it...
I mean, that don't necessarily make me so popular.
I just do what's right.
And when you do that, you know, you're more...
Look at Iran.
We would have never had the attack on Israel at all.
Iran was broke.
I told China, if you buy, you can't do business in the United States under any...
We're going to go cold turkey with China.
Some people think that would have been a good idea anyway.
But if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil from them, you're not doing business.
I said that to many countries.
Iran was broke.
They had no money for Hezbollah.
They had no money for Hamas.
But I make myself, you know, I mean, I understand what I'm doing.
You make yourself a target.
And it's a very dangerous business.
But if you just look at statistically, so I sort of think, I don't know if it's right, but one-tenth of one percent for a race car driver.
Yeah, it's a pretty dangerous business, right?
Yeah.
One-tenth of one percent For a bull rider, I tell you, to me, these guys that ride the bulls is worse than UFC. These guys, you see these big monster bulls and you see it in slow motion where the foot is like, you know, an inch away from the head.
If it hits him, the guy's gone.
But they die, you know, they die.
joe rogan
So one-tenth of one percent die, is that what you're saying?
donald j trump
Yeah, one-tenth of one percent die.
And they certainly get hurt badly, really.
I mean, they can't walk after a certain period of time.
But with the president, If you look at...
joe rogan
The amount of assassination attempts.
donald j trump
And attempts, too.
And attempts.
No, it's a very dangerous position.
I never thought of that, by the way, when I did it.
You know, you don't tend to...
joe rogan
Did you just assume because people loved you on The Apprentice, they were going to love you as a president?
donald j trump
Well, I figured it would be so easy.
You know, it was very interesting.
joe rogan
Well, it probably would have been if the media didn't attack you the way they did.
If they didn't conflate you with Hitler.
I mean, even today, like...
Kamala was talking about you and Hitler.
They're going to take what you said about Robert E. Lee.
Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South one.
unidentified
He loves Robert E. Lee.
donald j trump
That's right.
He loves Robert E. Lee.
joe rogan
They love to take things out of context and distort things.
donald j trump
But they don't even have to take them out.
They make them up entirely.
joe rogan
They do that, too.
donald j trump
But, you know, it's interesting when you mentioned the—I was very popular.
And all those people love me.
I mean, some of these women, they're so stupid.
And Joy, every time she'd see me, like I'd be in the theater or something.
unidentified
Women are so stupid.
donald j trump
You have to be on the show again.
Come on, come on, let's go.
joe rogan
She loved you.
donald j trump
Love me.
joe rogan
That episode.
unidentified
People should watch that episode just to see what we're talking about.
joe rogan
Like I said, we don't want to get a copyright strike, so we're not going to put it up.
But if you watch the episode, it's bananas.
It's like an alternative universe.
And it's only nine years ago.
donald j trump
Whoopi loved me.
joe rogan
Loved you.
Gives you a hug and a kiss.
donald j trump
And how about that other one, the new one on there, the one from my administration?
She writes me a letter, you're the greatest president.
She leaves.
You know, she worked as like an assistant press secretary.
I hardly knew her.
But she leaves and she writes me this gorgeous letter.
What's her name?
She was...
I don't even know.
Anyway, she was in the administration.
She's on now currently.
Sits on the far right-hand side, whatever the hell her name is.
And she writes a letter, the most beautiful letter.
She's quoted in the paper.
He's a consequential.
He was the greatest president, blah, blah, blah.
Then all of a sudden she goes in the view.
She's not hitting the hell out of me.
Because they won't hire her unless...
I've had many people go on CNN and they call and say, I don't know what to do.
nick fuentes
I thought he was talking about somebody else.
donald j trump
They want to pay me a lot, but I have to be negative on you.
nick fuentes
It's hard to follow.
donald j trump
There are guys on CNN who won't hire them.
nick fuentes
I have this interview so far, I don't even know what he's talking about.
donald j trump
Sean Duffy is a congressman and he retired.
He got a good job with CNN, but he was only positive about Trump.
So they kept him, but they would never put him on.
I mean, I respect what he did.
He could have gone, you know, negative.
I tell people, go negative.
Let my friends make the money.
It's so crooked.
The press is so crooked.
joe rogan
It's crooked, but it's also they're diminishing themselves.
They're hurting themselves.
They're killing all their credibility, and it's opening up the credibility to new media.
It's opening up the credibility to independent media.
donald j trump
The worst I've ever seen, though?
And I've seen the worst.
I mean, I've been a part of it.
I've seen the worst.
Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer that a child wouldn't give.
It was so bad.
And 60 Minutes took the answer out.
They took the whole and they put another answer in.
joe rogan
They edited it deceptively.
donald j trump
Which didn't make sense either, but it was better.
Well, it wasn't editing.
It was fraud.
This was not editing.
Editing is where I'll give an answer and they'll take a couple of words and change them around.
Or they might even take a sentence or two off, which is very bad.
But that's sort of bad.
I'd give an answer, which was a very good answer.
I always talk about, you know, I like to give long the weave.
joe rogan
Yeah, you like to weave things in.
donald j trump
But when you do the weaves, and you have to be very smart to do it.
nick fuentes
The fucking weave.
That is the stupidest...
I can't stand when he said, I do the weave, the weave, weaving, you're rambling, you're 100 years old.
donald j trump
Just in this one thing, we're talking about little pieces.
I hate that so much.
No, no, it comes back home for the right people.
For the wrong people, it doesn't come back home and they end up in the wilderness, right?
nick fuentes
I hate that.
He thinks it's funny.
donald j trump
It's not funny.
And they use the term, yes, we want to save time.
Well, it's not.
But I've never heard.
I think it's the biggest scandal in broadcast history.
What happened to CBS? So you have CBS 60 Minutes.
That's a news program.
It's not an entertainment program.
It's under their news.
It's the head of their news thing.
She gives an answer that shows that she's essentially incompetent.
And they took the answer?
Could you imagine them doing that for me?
joe rogan
We can show it if you want people to see it.
Can we show it?
No?
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
We get in trouble?
We'll get copyright strike?
Okay.
donald j trump
I'll indemnify you.
joe rogan
But it's drastic.
But what was interesting was the other full version was available initially.
It was like a preview.
donald j trump
Somebody made a big mistake.
joe rogan
Somebody put that preview out there.
donald j trump
Some kid put the preview out.
joe rogan
Exactly.
donald j trump
And then the bosses did this or that, and then all of a sudden they said, we got a problem.
joe rogan
Exactly.
donald j trump
They got caught by mistake.
But don't you think that's a big...
To me, and don't forget, this is election interference and fraud.
And it's 60 Minutes.
It's their news division.
joe rogan
It's a big deal.
donald j trump
They give those licenses out, Joe, for free.
They should pay a fortune.
They're worth a fortune.
They give them out for free because they're using the public airwaves.
With cable, you don't have that.
Cable's different.
But, you know, it's just a different deal.
But with the networks, they give those licenses.
They're worth billions of dollars.
They give them out free.
But you have to be honest and all.
That was bad.
I think that David Muir and that woman that was a side, I never even heard of her, but They kept interrupting me.
It was like, I said, how many people am I debating here?
I got this one and I got you two.
But he went after me 11 different times.
You know, it's interesting.
I always thought he was a nice guy, but he's just like the rest of them, you know?
joe rogan
Well, that's his job, unfortunately.
No, but not when they're wrong.
You're right.
Well, the problem was they fact-checked you and they didn't fact-check her.
Not at all.
And one of the most egregious examples of that was when she said that there are no troops right now deployed in war zones.
There's a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck are we then?
Because there's thousands of Dan Crenshaw, the congressman, posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed.
donald j trump
Stupidly deployed.
joe rogan
But the point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it's going to be a real debate, you have to fact check everybody.
Like if someone says maybe she thought there was no, which is also a problem.
So it's one of two things.
It's either it was not true, it was a lie on purpose, which is terrible, or it was the opposite.
It was ignorance, which is also terrible.
donald j trump
Well, Joe, when I said crime is soaring, he said, no, no, crime has gone down.
I said, where did you hear that one?
Crime has gone down.
I mean, I'm debating with this guy.
joe rogan
But I've had that— Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after that that showed that crime had gone up substantially.
donald j trump
And by the way, the statistics were a fraud because when they put out the statistics, they didn't include some of the worst places.
They didn't include some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly places.
joe rogan
But when the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right, but I haven't gotten— You turned out to be right, but then there's another problem.
Unreported crime is way up.
Because people have lost, look, the morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit, the morale of these poor cops, it's fucking horrible.
It's the dumbest idea of all time.
But what they've done is they've made these cops feel terrible, like good cops.
I think cops are just like everybody else.
Most of them are great.
It's like everybody else.
But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house, you say, carpenters fucking suck.
But they don't suck.
Most of them are great, and that's the key to do with cops, but the point is, like, they did all of these things in this very foolish way, and these cops are suffering the consequences of it, and so subsequently what happens is a lot of crime is unreported.
A lot of crime, like, you call the cops, they're too busy, they can't even get to you, or your house got broken into, sorry, you know, it doesn't even make a report.
There's a lot of people that they just give up.
donald j trump
It's so sad what's happened, and I'll tell you what, I go to police funerals, and we went to one in Long Island.
I visited the family in Long Island, a very big deal.
It's so dangerous.
People don't realize.
The car, dark windows, pull over.
He's a gentleman.
Please pull over.
Door opens.
Guy comes out firing.
Even if they were allowed to pull out their gun, which they're not.
They still wouldn't have time.
joe rogan
It's every cop's first nightmare.
donald j trump
They opened a door, and he was killed, and his partner was hurt.
He was killed.
And you don't even have an eighth of a second to think.
And it is such a dangerous job.
That in particular.
Think of it.
You go up to a car.
You don't know who's sitting there with a gun.
And if they have a gun, you really don't have a chance.
You're not allowed to have your gun out, by the way.
They have very strict rules.
So, number one, but even if you could have your gun out, the door opens and bullets start firing out, you know, and especially where they have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows.
nick fuentes
This is boring.
donald j trump
It is such a dangerous profession.
And it's very hard to get cops now because they're not given any backup.
And you're right.
You know, they have like an eighth of a second to make a decision that's going to change their life.
If they make the wrong decision, they're going to end up on the front page of every newspaper in the country and they're going to lose their house and their pension and their job and their wife is going to be gone and everything is going to be gone.
joe rogan
And here's another thing that people don't talk about.
How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them.
These guys are seeing people shot all the time.
I've talked to a ton of cops about it, and a lot of cops commit suicide.
A lot of cops are deeply depressed.
donald j trump
But we have to give them back their dignity.
We just have to give them back.
You said it so good.
You never hear anybody say that.
You're never going to have it perfect.
You're going to have a bad apple.
joe rogan
In everything, in every profession.
donald j trump
But every time there's a bad apple, that gets massive publicity and it taints everybody else.
joe rogan
But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say, defund the police, get rid of the police.
Even Kamala Harris was a part of that.
It's a very stupid way to look at it.
What you should do is fund the police.
You should have better training.
You should have cops that feel more appreciated.
You should have something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through.
donald j trump
She was a big part of defund the police.
That was a big thing for her, defund the police, always defund the police.
joe rogan
Well, it's a political idea, right?
donald j trump
Yeah, but anybody with that political thought, I don't think she'd be running for president, and I think people are getting wise to it.
You know, we're doing pretty well now.
I don't know.
Maybe in a week from now, I'll say, sorry about that.
I was wrong.
joe rogan
But we're leaving everything.
nick fuentes
I'm going to put this on 1.25.
donald j trump
We'll shave some time off here.
But I tell people, because people are starting to get to know her.
But she was defund the police.
She was all these transgender operations.
You know, if you wanted a sex change and you were in detention and you demanded a sex change, they would give you a sex change.
joe rogan
Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants.
donald j trump
That's right.
In detention.
joe rogan
That is the wildest thing.
Is that the biggest problem you have?
You just walked here from Guatemala, you need to become a girl?
donald j trump
But she was in favor of it.
So think of it.
Now she changed.
She changed 15 policies.
In fact, I'm going to send her a MAGA cap.
joe rogan
She stole your idea about no tax for tips.
donald j trump
I came up with this idea that, honestly, nobody ever heard of.
Now, it took her two months, but you know what?
Well, it caught fire.
And she just put it into a little speech.
But I think we still have that issue.
I think that issue is a good one for us.
But now we have a lot of good issues.
You know, we had the other day, think of how simple some of these things are.
We're trying to get cars built in the United States.
Detroit has been really tough.
It's been a disaster.
They have a huge factory, a huge car auto plant being built by China in Mexico.
Make cars, sell them in the United States, put everybody out of business, right?
Here we go again.
I said, if that plant is there when I'm president, I will put 100% or 200% tariffs on every car.
They'll be unsaleable in the United States.
And they just announced they're not going to build the plant because they think I'm going to win.
Think of it.
They're not going to build the plant.
This was the biggest plant in the world.
More than all of Michigan makes.
That's how big.
You know, this is what we're getting to.
And I said, if that plan goes up, I want them to understand if I win, I'm going to tax those cars at the rate of 100% or 200% apiece so that you won't be able to sell them in the United States.
They just announced they're not going to build the plan.
joe rogan
Yeah, I read that.
donald j trump
I did a big favor for our country by doing that.
And I'm not even there yet.
To me, the most beautiful word, and I've said this for the last couple of weeks in the dictionary today, is the word tariff.
It's more beautiful than love.
It's more beautiful than anything.
It's the most beautiful word.
This country can become rich with the proper use of tariffs.
joe rogan
Did you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?
Were you serious about that?
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
donald j trump
Why not?
Our country was the richest, relatively, in the 1880s and 1890s.
A president who was assassinated named McKinley.
He was the tariff king.
He spoke beautifully of tariffs.
His language was really beautiful.
We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs and take our factories and take our workers and take our families unless they pay a big price.
And the big price is tariffs.
And he'd speak like that, but he was right.
And then around in the early 1900s, they switched over stupidly to, frankly, an income tax.
And you know why?
Because countries were putting a lot of pressure on America.
We don't want to pay tariffs.
Please don't.
You know, believe me, they control our politicians.
If you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make then and now, but we had a commission meeting in the, I think it was 1887.
Think of this problem.
We were so rich.
We had so much money.
We didn't know what to do.
So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs.
And the sole purpose is what to do with all the money we had.
We were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs.
And China does it.
That's what China did.
If you want to open a factory and sell cars, if you build a factory here or have a factory, they don't take our cars.
They wouldn't take our cars.
But if you build a plant in China, You can do that.
Elon did that.
By the way, Elon is great.
That guy is such a great guy.
I think you're a fan of Elon.
unidentified
I love him.
donald j trump
He is from a different planet.
He's the greatest guy.
That rocket coming in.
I told the story once or twice, so you may have heard it, because his speeches have been good.
Did you see the one last night?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did.
donald j trump
29,000 people.
And the one the night before was the same thing.
We are rocking and rolling.
But Elon, and I'm talking to this very important guy.
I said, wait a minute.
I'm looking at something.
The television's unmuted, right?
And I see this rocket.
It's all...
Brown from the heat.
You know, 10,000 degrees pouring down at thousands of miles an hour.
And I see this thing.
You know, it's like a 20-story building.
And I say to this guy, he's an important guy.
Wait a minute.
Let me just put you down.
Hold it.
I got to see this.
And I see this, and it's going to crash.
I say, it's going to crash into the gantry.
They call it a gantry.
I said, oh man, that's going to be a disaster because it's starting to get very close.
And then all of a sudden you see the flames in the bottom, and boom, and then you see the two arms grab it.
joe rogan
Crazy.
donald j trump
And I forgot the guy.
I had him in the phone.
I called Elon.
I said, was that you?
He said, that was me.
And I said, who else can do that?
He said, nobody.
Russia can't do it.
The United States, nobody can do it.
You know, I set up Space Force.
That was me.
And that's the first time in 82 years that we opened another branch since the Air Force.
And that's going to be one of our most important things.
But think of what Elon does.
And he did one other thing that I never heard of.
It's Starlink.
I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places.
I followed it right down.
And they had no communication.
The polls were all knocked down.
And one of the guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favor?
Do you know Elon Musk?
Yes.
He endorsed me.
By the way, he gave me the nicest endorsement, too.
He said, the country's going to fail.
You should do the same thing, Joe, because you cannot be voting for Kamala.
Kamala, you're not a Kamala person.
I know you.
I've watched you.
I know him better than he is.
You know what?
Without speaking to you, I think I know you maybe almost as well as your wife.
I have watched you for so many years.
You're not a Kamala person.
You're a Khabib person, but you're not a Kamala person.
Nobody's going to know who Khabib is.
Oh, they know who he is.
He was not bad, right?
joe rogan
Oh, he was phenomenal.
donald j trump
But that's your kind of person.
joe rogan
Your weave is getting wide.
We're getting wide with this weave.
donald j trump
I want to bring it back to Terrace.
unidentified
This weave is getting wide.
donald j trump
He said, could you get him?
We need Starlink.
And I called.
joe rogan
So true.
donald j trump
I got it for him so fast.
Saved so many lives.
And I said, how was it?
They said, better than the wires.
You know, they couldn't put them in.
They were all gone.
They were all gone.
joe rogan
I used it recently in Utah in the mountains.
donald j trump
Did you find it good?
joe rogan
Oh, it's phenomenal.
It's the size of an iPad.
You just set it down on the ground, you get high-speed internet.
It's incredible.
donald j trump
We're spending, just to show you, we're spending a trillion dollars to get cables all over the country, right?
Upstate areas.
We have like two farms and they're spending millions of dollars.
joe rogan
Well talk about the $42 billion that was wasted on this internet access program.
They didn't get anybody.
donald j trump
They haven't hooked up one person yet.
joe rogan
Not one person.
They spent $42 billion.
They could have gotten StarLinks to everybody with that kind of money.
donald j trump
For almost nothing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald j trump
For a monthly charge.
joe rogan
And it would have been incredible.
And it's high speed internet everywhere you want to go.
donald j trump
And he wanted to do that.
joe rogan
And he wanted to do it.
donald j trump
How about this?
They built the charger stations, right?
In the Midwest.
They built eight of them.
They cost $9 billion.
That's like a gas pump, right?
They built nine gas pumps, except electricity comes out.
They spent $9 billion.
Three of them don't work.
The whole thing, there's so much waste.
I could sit here and tell you about things that there's so much waste, abuse, and fraud.
joe rogan
Oh, there's, yeah, I'm sure.
I mean, I think everybody's aware of that now.
donald j trump
Let's get back to tariffs.
joe rogan
When you're talking about, one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increased the deficit.
So, what was the strategy behind that?
And did you think it was going to increase the deficit by a substantial amount?
unidentified
Okay.
donald j trump
We were ready to rock.
You know, I had a bad system.
We had horrible tax policy.
I made it great.
With a much lower tax rate.
So, I took it from almost 40% down to 21%.
Now I'm bringing from 21 down to 15, but only if you make your product in the United States, which is great.
People call me, they said, what a great idea.
Nobody ever heard of that before.
I don't care if they make the product in Japan.
Why should I give up?
So it's at 21.
At 21, in the first year, we took in much more revenue than we did at almost 40.
Think of that.
It inspired.
Now, we had other things, too.
We were able to get people to bring back their money.
You couldn't bring back your money.
If you had money in...
Europe, like Apple.
Apple had many billions of dollars outside.
They couldn't bring it.
There was no way to bring it back in.
The bureaucracy, the documents, the whole thing.
And also the tax was too high.
You know, they wanted like half of it or something.
Nobody's going to do that.
So they leave their money in Japan and they spend their money there.
That was part of what I did.
The money came pouring back in.
Apple took in hundreds of billions of dollars.
They brought it back from overseas.
They brought it in.
joe rogan
So how does the deficit increase because of that?
donald j trump
So what happened is this.
We were ready to rock and roll, and then we had the COVID thing, and we had to focus on that.
And if we didn't give some businesses a hand, you would have had a depression like in 1929.
But we were ready to start.
We would have very shortly been paying off debt.
You know, we have $35 trillion in debt.
And I'll never forget it.
We were talking about from the standpoint of being in office.
I'm in the Oval Office and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio.
They're two very good pollsters, probably.
unidentified
I don't know.
donald j trump
I would say the two best.
Who knows?
But very good pollsters.
And we're starting to think about running for a second term.
And we had the greatest economy in history.
Never has there been an economy like that.
joe rogan
And you attribute that to lowering taxes and tariffs.
unidentified
Yeah, a lot of it.
donald j trump
Two things.
And also I cut regulations more than anybody else.
And I asked many of the businessmen, you know, from the big companies, you know, the guys running the big companies, I'd say, so if you had your choice, you've had it now for a long time, what's more important to you, the tax cuts, you paid less tax, or the regulation cuts?
Every one of them said the regulation cuts meant more.
Who would think that, right?
Because you don't equate it to dollars, but it actually is more dollars.
We had it going, and then we just had to focus on something else.
But they were sitting here, these two pollsters were sitting there, and they said, sir, if George Washington came back, And Abraham Lincoln was his VP, as opposed to Waltz.
How bad is he, by the way?
But if Abraham Lincoln was his VP, they couldn't beat you.
And I'll never forget it.
The following day, they said, something's happening in China, sir.
Could we meet?
I said, what's happening?
People are dying.
And it was all around the Wuhan lab, by the way.
There are pictures with little lines, their body bags, all around the The Wuhan lab.
And I always said that from the beginning, Joe.
You know, they tried to say, first they said it was France and they blamed everybody.
But then they say it was bats from a cave 2,000 miles away.
So we got hit with that.
And despite that, we had the best economy.
And when I gave it over, the stock market was higher than it was pre-COVID. I mean, nobody could even believe it.
But we saved it.
We were helping businesses.
They were dying.
joe rogan
So it's your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt.
donald j trump
If we didn't have COVID, we would have been paying off debt.
And don't forget, by growth, the word growth is actually more important because you could have the same debt.
But if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you're under levered.
But still, we should pay off debt.
You know, if you viewed this $35 trillion right now, it's a lot.
But if you look at the asset value, if you look at it purely as an asset value, we have oil underground, we have water, we have mountains.
I mean, the assets are so enormous.
But regardless of that, we've got $35 trillion in debt, we should pay it off.
And we would have started paying off debt and probably even giving further tax reductions.
I want to get it down to 15%.
We're going to do more business.
But when you get hit with the COVID, everything stops and you have to keep these businesses alive.
The businesses were dying.
I mean, they were just dying.
This whole place, this country was going to die.
joe rogan
Are there influences outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those sort of things?
Outside of the environmental concerns, which are legitimate, of course.
But are there other influences that maybe over-accentuate or over-exaggerate these environmental effects?
Are people being influenced in a way where they're trying to keep us from producing American oil?
Yeah.
donald j trump
So, the environmental is the biggest tool for stopping growth, the biggest tool.
The other is regulation.
And if you speak to Elon, he said the regulation now to send a rocket up to anywhere, even if you do everything, it's almost, it's becoming impossible.
But they use environmental in order to get people not to do anything.
And sometimes I say...
You know, I look at some of the...
I know the environmental stuff better because I had to build buildings in New York.
I had to do environmental impact studies.
And I would see some of these guys that I'd hire for a lot of money, environmentalists, that would get you through the process.
And they'd be up in Albany.
That's the capital of New York.
And they're up there trying to make it tougher for guys like me that were builders because they'd get paid more money.
In other words...
I had one guy, highly recommended.
You know, I was good at getting permits.
I was one of the kings.
I was always very good.
But the environmental stuff was always horrible.
They could slow a project down 10 years, 15 years.
I had a project in Louisiana built, big LNG plant.
It was, for 14 years, it was going to cost $18 billion, one of the biggest, like the Empire State Building, laying down on the side times four.
Massive on the coast, on the Gulf Coast.
And they said, sir, they're going to give it up.
I said, they shouldn't give it up.
What's the problem?
They can't get their environmental.
They had environmental permits that would fill this whole room up to the ceiling.
And they said there was one mistake on one little line.
They wanted to do it all over again.
It's not going to happen.
And I got them their permit instantly.
And they built the plant.
It's massive.
joe rogan
So when you're saying that there's people that are making money by making it difficult, are you talking about lawyers?
donald j trump
No, I'm talking about environmental consultants and lawyers.
joe rogan
Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process.
unidentified
Absolutely.
donald j trump
And they make the process worse.
And I'd probably do the same thing if I were them, to be honest with you.
I want to be honest with you.
joe rogan
How do they do that?
How do they make it?
donald j trump
Let's say New York, they go to Albany, and they convince people that if you have a certain type of plant on the ground that's this big and In theory, valueless, that it's a rare plant and you cannot even touch it.
You can't go near it.
You can't put a building on it.
You can't do anything.
Or there's a little puddle and they call it a lake.
And you have to go by the standards of a lake.
I said, no, no, that's a puddle.
Oh, you have no idea.
Guys are filling a little puddle.
You have no idea what they do.
And they use it as a way to stop you.
joe rogan
They use it as a way to stop you and also as a way to generate money.
It's a weapon.
How are they generating money that way, though?
donald j trump
Well, they get fees.
joe rogan
They get fees.
donald j trump
Massive fees.
joe rogan
And people rely on them as experts because they're the people that they go to when they have to run these studies in the first place.
donald j trump
But some of them are just bad guys, and they're trying to make it more and more difficult.
joe rogan
And they have a lot of power.
donald j trump
Yeah, I think they maybe had more.
They didn't have as much with me because I would get through them.
And I understood it.
Look, I've done so many – they call it environmental impact study.
I did so much – to build a building.
To build a building in New York is very tough.
You've got to be very – you've got to deal with – think of it.
Financing, unions, all the municipal stuff, environmental.
Of all of it, to me, the toughest thing was the environmental.
Because they could stop you cold with the environmental impact study stuff.
And you hire a so-called expert.
They say, sir, he's the one guy who can get you through the morass.
It's a morass.
It's horrible.
They use it as a weapon.
They use it all over the country.
joe rogan
Right, but there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact, correct?
There are.
Look about the BP oil spill.
There's a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating.
And you want to mitigate that as much as possible.
donald j trump
You do.
Look, during our four years, we had the cleanest air and the cleanest water.
I view it differently.
I say, air?
And water.
Remember this, it costs much more to do things environmentally clean.
China doesn't do anything.
unidentified
Right.
donald j trump
When Kerry goes to see President Xi at China, which he probably doesn't even get to see him, but they look at him, oh yes, yes, we will do, oh yes, yes, we're going to do that, no more coal, no more coal, just...
And then they approve 58 coal plants for the next, you know, every...
They build a coal plant a week, okay?
joe rogan
They build a lot of coal plants.
donald j trump
But let me just say, though, so here we are cleaning and scrubbing everything, and the air's got to be pure.
But in 3.8 days...
That stuff floating over China is right over the top of us.
Same thing with the oceans.
They dump their garbage into the Pacific Ocean.
If you take a little cork and put it there, in about a week and a half, it'll be in front of Los Angeles.
We're picking up their garbage.
So nobody ever talks about that.
But in a way, the bigger one is even the air.
It's the currents.
It's an amazing thing.
It's been flowing that way for a million years, long before we were there.
joe rogan
We share air with the whole world.
We get the Sahara dust clouds over here.
donald j trump
Absolutely.
joe rogan
We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert.
donald j trump
But we get the China, you know, they call it the China curse.
We get the China curse.
They're bad.
And their air is dirty.
You know, when I went there, I had a great relationship with President Xi.
We got along very well.
And they treated me better than anybody's ever been treated.
Same thing with Saudi Arabia.
A number of them.
But they laid it out.
And I said, this air is good.
Do you know they closed every factory one week before I got there from within 200 miles?
joe rogan
That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco.
He cleaned it up.
He got rid of all the homeless people.
donald j trump
Isn't that terrible in a way to think, you know?
He cleaned it up and then it became a pig's eye.
joe rogan
Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house.
Like, how about just keep your fucking house clean?
donald j trump
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say ever as a governor as to an excuse to why you finally cleaned up your homeless problem.
donald j trump
And the day he left...
joe rogan
Right back to it.
donald j trump
It went right back.
But in a way, that was a bad thing that he did because he showed what a disgrace that was.
What a disgrace.
joe rogan
Well, this is the thing that shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think.
A lot of these people that are running these states think.
It's foolish.
You're insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by...
These people just camping and needles and human feces.
There's an app that you can buy.
There's an app that you can get, rather, that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco.
It's a poo app.
And it's just everywhere.
It's just bum crap everywhere.
donald j trump
Let me give you one that you may not know, which I think you know everything, actually, as a student of yours.
But water.
You know in Los Angeles you can't get proper amounts of water.
joe rogan
Right.
donald j trump
And it's unbelievably expensive.
And you might have a house in Beverly Hills.
And they're actually thinking about rationing water.
Can you believe it?
joe rogan
I can believe it.
donald j trump
I was in the farm court country with some of the congressmen.
We're driving up a highway.
And I say, how come all this land is so barren?
It's farmland.
And it looked terrible.
It was just brown and bad.
I said, but there's always that little corner that's so green and beautiful.
They said, we have no water.
I said, do you have a drought?
No, we don't have a drought.
I said, why don't you have no water?
Because the water isn't allowed to flow down.
It's got a natural flow from Canada all the way up north.
More water than they could ever use.
And in order to protect a tiny little fish, the water up north gets routed into the Pacific Ocean.
Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured.
You've got to see this.
We're driving up, and I had never seen it before.
It's like Iowa.
It's the most fertile land.
Iowa's blessed with great land.
Idaho for a potato, right?
Yeah.
By the way, some land is good for a potato, some land is good for corn.
It's the craziest thing.
I love the farmers.
They're great.
They're the greatest.
And by the way, they're getting killed right now.
joe rogan
They are.
donald j trump
They're getting killed because of the stupid administration.
unidentified
The weave, dude.
The weave.
nick fuentes
Death by weave.
donald j trump
I said, you mean you have water?
And I looked at it.
It's like a valve in your sink, except it's massive.
The thing's five times taller than your ceiling.
joe rogan
Did you know the center of California was a giant lake?
donald j trump
They have so much water.
joe rogan
You ever see what it looks like before they rerouted it?
donald j trump
No, I never saw that, no.
joe rogan
The center of California, like, what was it, 200 years ago?
How long ago did they do that, Jamie?
The center of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of California.
donald j trump
That's where they dumped it into the Pacific.
joe rogan
Who knows what they did, but whatever foolishness that they did led to the situation they're in now.
donald j trump
Think of those dry forests that burn down all over the world.
You know, the head of Austria said, you know...
joe rogan
Thuleer Lake, or Tachi Lake.
It's a freshwater lake in the southern San Joaquin Valley of the United States.
Historically, Thuleer Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of Mississippi.
Show a photo of what it looked like back then.
donald j trump
That's a great system.
joe rogan
So that's what it looked like.
Look at that image.
Go to the one on the third from the right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was an enormous lake in the middle of California.
Imagine that.
donald j trump
That would be a much more valuable property.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
How crazy is that?
That's what it used to look like.
And human beings screwed that up.
donald j trump
No, they let it go into the Pacific and then they did something.
joe rogan
I don't know what they did.
What did they do?
How did it go missing?
unidentified
They said they drained it in 1983.
donald j trump
Yeah, they drained it.
joe rogan
19?
1983.
Oh my God.
Oh, dry a handful of times.
Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that's a big one.
It's a big one to go dry.
donald j trump
You could have all of the water you need.
All of that land would have more water.
The whole thing could be like that little patch.
Literally, I'd say I was with Devin Noon as a congressman and other congressmen.
We were going up.
I was visiting that because they asked me to go up and visit their territory, and I did.
But I kept saying, look at this land.
It's beautiful, but it's so dry.
And I thought they were going through like a desert, like a drought.
They said, no, we have water, but it gets dry.
So I looked into it.
joe rogan
What is the fish?
donald j trump
And I got it done.
nick fuentes
It's only two more hours to go, guys.
Only two more hours.
donald j trump
I could have water.
nick fuentes
We're about a third of the way done.
donald j trump
Water for your forests.
You know, your forests are dry as a bone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dangerous.
donald j trump
That water could be routed.
You know, you could have everything.
Not only dangerous.
Billions of dollars a year they spend on forest fires.
And you know, there's a case with the environment.
They're not allowed to rake their forests because you're not allowed to touch it.
When a tree falls down, after 18 months it becomes very dry.
It's like, you know, like real firewood.
It's bad.
You know, a tree that's up.
These are all things I... Learned the hard way, the easy way.
But when a tree is up, it sucks water, it's wet.
I went to that, they had a couple of horrible forest fires in California, and I went, I said, you know, you had a lot of trees standing.
Yes, they were healthy trees, sir.
I said, with this intense heat, you could see they were charred a little bit on the bottom, but they were going to be all right, because they're soaking wet, because they suck up the water, right?
But when they fall, they're like, you know, it's like lighting a match.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald j trump
And you've got to be able to clean.
They call it maintain your forest.
So I was with the head of Austria.
He said, you know, it's a shame.
I see all those forest fires in California, and all they have to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it up, get rid of the leaves, you know, leaves that are sitting there for five years.
joe rogan
We'll certainly get rid of the dead fall.
donald j trump
And get rid of the trees that have fallen, you know, or like...
So many things...
By the way...
joe rogan
Could you rake the whole forest, though?
I don't think you could rake the whole forest.
I think you could get rid of the deadfall, but raking all the leaves...
donald j trump
You could certainly get rid of the dead, okay?
You know, environmentally, they don't want to do that.
They said, you know, it's got to be nature and all this stuff.
But in the meantime, this is exactly right.
But you could have...
So it was the Department of Commerce that needed the approvals, but Gavin Newsom had to sign them.
I got it all done.
Nobody could believe it.
It was all done.
I said, I got it.
You got so much water...
All you have to do is sign.
And that guy didn't want to sign.
joe rogan
Did he not want to sign because that would be a political victory for you?
donald j trump
That guy didn't want to sign.
You know, he used to say he's a great president that we got along.
We did.
We actually got along at that point.
But I think somebody said you just can't continue to call him a great president.
You know, they do say that.
But we had it all done.
He didn't sign.
And then we got on to other things.
And every time I go to California, I say, you have so much water.
They don't know it.
I'm telling you, people living in Beverly Hills, they turn off the water.
Same thing with the electric.
They want to go to all electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend.
joe rogan
Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035, you're not going to be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California.
Within a month, they had some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas.
Because the grid couldn't handle it.
Well, how are you going to handle it?
donald j trump
I will terminate the mandate immediately.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan
Thank you.
donald j trump
That will be done, I would say, in my first day, maybe two days because, you know...
joe rogan
Let me ask you about nuclear.
One of the things that when I've talked to people that have a real understanding of nuclear power, what their position is, it's probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we can generate.
The fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters.
The Fukushima, Three Mile Island.
These are old systems, and they're much more capable now, and they're capable of making even better systems.
But it's a difficult political issue, because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl.
That's what everybody does.
They have this connection.
They have the potential disaster.
donald j trump
Or Fukushima, which is where you're not supposed to enter the land for 3,000 years or something.
joe rogan
I think it's worse than that.
I think that area is going to be radioactive for probably longer than you can imagine.
But the point is they're better at it now.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And that they can do it now and you can generate power in a way that you don't have to worry about these.
One of the most ridiculous things is electric cars being powered by coal-fired plants.
It's a ridiculous thing.
donald j trump
That's what's happening.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is what's happening.
And people want to think they're being green.
donald j trump
Well, you look at the way the battery is made.
But here's the other thing.
We don't have...
Well, we do, actually.
It's being held.
You know, we have certain areas where we have great raw earth material, and we're not allowed to use it because of the environment.
And we have areas in California that have incredible raw earth, and they're not allowing...
And I'm going to open it up.
I'm going to let them use it.
joe rogan
But how do you do that?
How do you do that and protect the environment?
donald j trump
Because the environment's going to be protected.
You can do it.
You can make a lake out of it.
Okay, we'll put back a lake.
I mean, something nice about lakes.
You can do things magnificently.
joe rogan
How are we going to protect the environment?
donald j trump
We're just going to protect it.
Absolutely, you have to do it carefully.
But the problem, you know, China has...
All of those areas, most of those areas.
And yet, when they say go electric with the cars, China's going to be the one that gives us the cars.
All of those guys in Detroit are going to be out of business.
You're going to make your electric cars over there.
We have a thing called gasoline.
unidentified
And we have more oil and gas than any other nation.
donald j trump
You know, I had, in Alaska, there's a find.
It's called ANWR. I got it approved.
Reagan couldn't get it.
Nobody could get it.
I got it all done.
It was amazing.
They were getting ready to start drilling.
The equivalent, they think, of Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest finds in the world.
It was all set to go.
And Biden comes in.
One of his first orders were, we're not going to use it.
It would have been so good for them.
We could have supplied all of Asia with oil and gas.
joe rogan
What was the negative of it?
donald j trump
And you talk about money.
unidentified
Right.
donald j trump
The negative was politically they didn't think it was good for them.
That's all.
joe rogan
That's all it was.
So you don't think that it's environmentally dangerous?
donald j trump
Taking it from way down deep in the earth, environmentally it would have been fine.
No.
joe rogan
So it can be done responsibly?
donald j trump
Absolutely.
Well, I think windmills, okay, so they talk about windmills.
I think windmills are really disruptive.
When you talk about the environment, they kill the birds.
You want to see a bird cemetery?
Go under a windmill someday that hasn't been cleaned out with all the bird carcasses.
It's like massive amounts of birds.
joe rogan
Well, they're also a massive eyesore.
I went to a ranch in South Texas, and we had to drive past this enormous windmill farm, and it's gross.
It's dystopian.
You're looking in the left and the right, and all you see is these big spinning machines that aren't even that effective at generating electricity.
unidentified
Correct.
donald j trump
The most expensive form of electricity is a windmill, and then they start to rust and rot, and then they get abandoned by the people that built them.
joe rogan
Well, you have to get rid of all that material, too.
When you replace those blades, now you have a problem because you have to dispose these enormous windmills.
donald j trump
Otherwise, they say you can't bury them.
I even questioned that, but I'm not going to get into it.
But they say you can't bury them.
So you have the blades, and you can't bury the blades.
You can bury the blades.
It's not going to matter.
You'll find areas you can bury them.
But they come up.
This is what I mean.
They come up with this.
But the environmentalist dream is windmills everyone.
You know what happens to them?
After five years, they start to rot.
After 10 years, you have to replace them.
Did you ever look at certain parts of California where they have heavy windmills and they've been abandoned and they're all different manufacturers in all different companies?
joe rogan
I haven't seen that.
donald j trump
It is the ugliest thing.
It looks like a graveyard almost, a graveyard of windmills.
joe rogan
It's pollution.
donald j trump
It's so bad.
joe rogan
It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.
donald j trump
How about in New Jersey, off the coast of New Jersey, they want to build?
The people are going crazy not to build them.
But where you have them, the whales are washing up on shore.
So, in 50 years they had one whale come ashore.
Now they had like 18 come in the last year.
joe rogan
What is happening with the whales?
I've read about this.
donald j trump
Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy.
You know, it's a vibration because you have those, you know, those things are 50-story buildings, some of them.
joe rogan
Right, and they're super sensitive to vibrations and sounds.
donald j trump
You know, the wind is rushing, the things are blowing, it's a vibration, and it makes noise.
You know what it is?
I want to be a whale psychiatrist.
It drives the whales freaking crazy.
And something happens with them.
But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shore.
And yet the environmentalists...
joe rogan
Conveniently ignored by the environmental people.
donald j trump
Yeah, but the environmentalists, they don't talk about it.
I think there's nothing uglier.
I see it in Scotland.
I see it all over the world.
You have this beautiful valley.
It's been there for, you know...
In civilization, thousands of years, but millions of years.
And all of a sudden you have these ugly windmills up.
joe rogan
Would your plan to be replaced with nuclear?
What would you do?
donald j trump
Well, nuclear is better.
I mean, I think there's a little danger in nuclear.
But, you know, we had some really bad nuclear.
They did one in Alabama.
They did one in, I think, South Carolina.
They do them wrong.
They build these massive things.
Then the environmentalists get in.
I don't want to go into a long story because it's too long for the show.
This show is too valuable.
nick fuentes
That's crazy.
donald j trump
Concrete.
But they have hardened concrete.
It's number 12 concrete.
It's harder than steel.
It's incredible.
They put up a wall and an inspector comes along and goes, nope, nope.
You're a quarter of an inch.
The wall might be eight feet wide.
You're a quarter of an inch too short.
I'm sorry.
You've got to rip down the wall because it's got to be poured contiguously, right?
You're one quarter of an inch.
You can't rip it down.
This stuff, you can't put a hammer through it.
You can't.
It's incredible.
Concrete technology is unbelievable, you know, what's happened.
You think of concrete.
joe rogan
So you think that's an example of over-regulation?
Yeah, pointless.
donald j trump
Well, you have an inspector that comes along and he says, take down a $25 zillion wall.
These things ended up costing $25 billion.
And one of them never got opened.
But here's the story.
So...
France does it.
France is largely nuclear.
And they build small, little, compact plants.
And if they need more, they build the same thing, and they hook it up, and they hook it up, because they get too big, and too complex, and too expensive.
And it is very clean.
They say it's absolutely — you know, my uncle — I had a great uncle who was a great genius, just like Other members of my family.
He was a professor at MIT for, I think, 41 years.
He was the longest.
When I was in the White House, the head of MIT, Princeton, and Harvard came down to meet me.
And the MIT person said, I have a book on your uncle, Dr.
John Trump.
He was our longest-serving professor.
He was a great genius, sir.
nick fuentes
He's a time traveler.
He invented time travel.
donald j trump
He knew everything about nuclear.
From math to chemistry to nuclear, he knew it.
And he said, someday it's going to be the way to go, but the problem is it's so dangerous in terms of war.
He said, Donald, this was a longtime Uncle John, Dr.
John Trump, he said, someday you'll have a little satchel at your side and you'll go into a building and you'll be able to blow up New York City.
I said, Uncle John, that'll never happen.
He's right.
joe rogan
Well, that was part of the problem with giving nuclear power to other countries, right?
Like that was a problem that happened with India and Pakistan.
They got nuclear power and then they were able to weaponize it.
donald j trump
The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming.
It's nuclear warming.
And we have idiots that are negotiating for us.
We have a guy that doesn't make it past 4 o'clock.
And it's not because of age, you know?
I know so many guys in their late 80s and they're better than...
I said to one guy the other day, I think you're smarter than you were 25 years ago.
I've known him a long time.
He's 89 years old.
He's sharp.
I mean, he's great.
Biden gives people a bad name because that's not an old, that's not an age.
I think they say it because I'm three or four years younger.
You know, I think that's why they say it.
They say his age.
It's not his age.
He's got a problem.
joe rogan
Two major brain surgeries.
donald j trump
He did.
Those are not good operations.
joe rogan
And you see what he did today?
He went, rotted towards the camera and made some apology to Native Americans.
And he said that's why he's headed out west.
Like he's off the reservation, so to speak, for lack of a better term.
donald j trump
You know, it's interesting because during the debate, I was looking over.
I'm saying, hmm, this is strange.
It's just sort of like strange things were happening.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he couldn't keep it together.
But do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together?
donald j trump
I think so.
joe rogan
Do you think that they wanted—is that why, like, historically that debate was earlier than they've been in the past, right?
donald j trump
I think they wanted to—well, there's a lot of theories.
A lot of people said, do the debate now and we'll get them out.
joe rogan
Right.
donald j trump
I think that maybe could be.
joe rogan
Well, that is what happened.
donald j trump
I think they also said do the debate now and get it over with.
joe rogan
Right.
donald j trump
I don't think anybody thought he was going to get out, really.
joe rogan
That didn't make any sense.
donald j trump
The debate got him out, but I think it's very unfair.
Look, you have a bad debate.
His numbers went down, but I think she's not doing very well right now, and I think she looks...
joe rogan
Well, I want to get to that, too, because it's hard to know.
Like, the whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people, because most people don't answer polls.
So they read the polls, and they're like, who's getting polls?
donald j trump
I've never been polled.
joe rogan
If I did, I'd hang up.
donald j trump
I was never called by pollsters.
joe rogan
If I did, I wouldn't answer.
I'm busy.
donald j trump
You know how polls are done?
Oh, I'm going to get myself in trouble.
So I really don't believe too much in them.
joe rogan
Well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective use of polls.
donald j trump
Well, they were very ineffective because I thought I was doing well.
I'd go to a place and I'd have 30, 40,000 people.
Hillary would go, they have 500 people, and they'd tell me I'm going to lose.
I said, why am I going to lose?
I had 40,000 people.
She had 200 people.
But, you know, I have a theory.
These polls say they charge you a lot of money, too.
You know, they charge you half a million bucks to do some stupid poll, and they interview, like, 251 people.
I don't think they interview them, in many cases.
I don't want to get myself in too much trouble.
joe rogan
You think it's bullshit?
donald j trump
No, I think they sit there, they make a deal, they get a half a million bucks, and they say...
Trump's leading 51 to 49.
They announce it and everybody says, oh, you understand?
I don't think they...
I think in a lot...
Look, I'm a very common sense person.
I think that they probably don't always poll.
Some of them probably never poll.
What's the difference between 49 to 51 and 47 and a half?
joe rogan
Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the population.
I don't think it's representative of the overall population.
I just don't think it is.
donald j trump
I don't know of one person in my whole life that ever got called by a pollster.
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's my point.
So...
Here's my question.
donald j trump
But I shouldn't say that because I'm doing really well in the polls now.
joe rogan
But I think that's...
donald j trump
So this week I happen to believe in a very...
I only believe if they're good.
No.
I like them this month.
But no, I honestly believe that this is probably a lot of fraud.
I had a poll, Washington Post, ABC, in the Hillary thing, on Wisconsin.
They had me down 17 points the day before the election.
I knew it was wrong because I had a rally.
I had 29,000 people at a racetrack and it was like zero degrees.
Wisconsin.
And they had me down 17 points.
In other words, you had no chance.
And I won.
And I called up my pollsters, good guy, good guy, and I believe he's legitimate.
And some of them are, some of them are.
I said, tell me, why did they have me down so much?
I mean, nobody's going to believe them the next time.
They said they don't care.
When you're down 17 points, people are going to stay home.
They're not going to vote.
Because they're going to say, I love Trump, but I'm not going to waste my time.
It's cold out.
I said, but why don't they make it 4 or 5?
He said, at 4 or 5, they're going to go and vote.
At 17, they're not going to go and vote.
This is the Washington Post, ABC poll.
I was down 17 points in Wisconsin, and I won.
It's crooked stuff.
joe rogan
There's a lot of crooked stuff, and I wanted to talk about that, too, because one of the things that people...
What I want to talk about with you is the denial of the results.
And I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed, and they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election?
And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media?
And was that a concerted effort?
donald j trump
Well, they said a 10-point difference, and I lost by one-tenth of a point.
They say it was 22,000 votes.
But look, it was much more than that.
And I appreciate Jay Devin saying that.
And by the way, I think he was a great pick.
Do you like J.D. as a player?
joe rogan
I like him a lot, yeah.
donald j trump
You're allowed to say that.
joe rogan
No, I do.
I like him a lot.
I think he's a brilliant guy.
And I think his ability to talk like a normal human being.
You did my friend Theo Vaughn's podcast.
And he just did it.
donald j trump
How did he do with it?
joe rogan
He did great.
He just talks like a normal human being.
donald j trump
Is that why you called me to do this?
joe rogan
No, no.
I was...
donald j trump
He was a nice guy.
joe rogan
Once they shot you, I was like, he's got to come in here.
It's all about timing.
It's all about the timing.
donald j trump
Timing's good.
joe rogan
Timing's perfect.
Do you even have a scar on your ear?
You got anything on there?
donald j trump
I do.
joe rogan
What do you say?
donald j trump
So, right over here.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a tiny little mark.
donald j trump
It zicked right there.
joe rogan
It healed up pretty fucking good.
donald j trump
It's not like some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC fighters.
No.
It was sort of like a top shot.
The point of the bullet was all in the ass.
But you see, the thing's taken off a little bit.
But it makes me a tougher guy.
You know, the fighters love their You know Bo Nickel?
He's a great fighter.
Yeah, that's so funny.
nick fuentes
He got straight up called out.
donald j trump
He was almost like undefeated in college.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best mixed martial artists.
donald j trump
When is he fighting again?
joe rogan
He's fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.
donald j trump
Oh, that's going to be after the election?
joe rogan
Yep.
donald j trump
So I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed and I won't bother you.
Yeah, I think they're having a fight right now.
joe rogan
One of the things that was fascinating also was the denial of the election results is a pretty common thing.
Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate president and she said that Russia put you in place.
donald j trump
Even though she conceded.
joe rogan
Yes.
donald j trump
You know, she conceded the night of the election because she was beaten.
joe rogan
Yes, and it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections.
There's been many of them.
The Bush administration, the dangling chads, all that stuff.
donald j trump
Well, look at these guys in Congress, all these sleazebags in Congress that are Democrats.
They're dangling chads.
unidentified
They're dangling chads, right?
donald j trump
You don't hear them say it.
But they denied it right up until the end.
joe rogan
My point is, this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic.
Yeah, the hanging chads.
It's like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of the health consequences that people have for the COVID-19 shots.
Oh my God, you're an anti-vaxxer.
If you say, and what I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, it's not 0%.
So if you ask me, what is the amount of election fraud in this country?
donald j trump
Is it 0%?
joe rogan
No one thinks it's 0%.
I've never met one person.
Not a super liberal, progressive, far-left person or a right-wing conservative.
Not one person thinks it's zero percent.
They think when you have human beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail-in ballots.
donald j trump
And you had legislatures that had to approve and they didn't approve and they went out and did it anyway.
And you had old-fashioned ballot screwing.
I mean, you had people going up and dropping in phony votes.
You had unsigned ballots, etc., etc.
joe rogan
There's certain people that think that they have...
And the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler.
And that in order to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes.
donald j trump
That was okay, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and this is, I mean, you're hearing this now.
Kamala compared you to, said your love of Hitler yesterday.
donald j trump
You know, Kamala's a very low IQ person.
She's a very low IQ. You know, I'm for taking tests too.
I think anybody that runs for president should take, they should give them tests.
If you look back in the 70s and 80s, some of your greatest leaders in the world, world history, long time world history, They were in their 70s and their 80s.
But I think you should take cognitive tests.
I think everybody...
They say it's unconstitutional.
But I think...
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
donald j trump
I think Kamala should have a test because there's something missing.
There's something wrong with her.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's pressure.
I think the pressure and the scrutiny...
You've been a celebrity for a long time and you understand what this is like.
But for someone who's in her late 40s, who becomes the vice president, who runs for president, becomes the vice president, and then all of a sudden the weight of the world is on your shoulders and all these people...
A lot of people clam up.
donald j trump
But you either have it or you don't.
joe rogan
Correct.
donald j trump
This is an interview.
We've covered a lot of territory, right?
And, you know, it's fine.
I don't care.
I want to.
I think it's much more interesting to do an interview with Anderson Cooper.
A softball, crazy softball interview.
She took two days off and she studied and studied all day long and then she comes out with a result that was a real embarrassment.
That was a really bad interview.
She couldn't answer a question.
And every question is not answered.
I mean, like, what would you do your first day in office?
Okay, I'll build a wall.
I won't build a wall.
There's a hundred things you can say.
Just say anything, right?
There's something off with her.
joe rogan
Well, I also think...
donald j trump
We're dealing with the smartest people.
They hate when I say...
You know, when I call President Xi, they said, he called President Xi brilliant.
Well, he's a brilliant guy.
He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist.
I mean, he's a brilliant guy, whether you like it or not.
And they go crazy.
joe rogan
Right.
It doesn't mean he's not evil, or it doesn't mean he's not dangerous.
Yeah, of course not.
donald j trump
But actually...
We have evil people in our country.
If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia, he can deal with all of it.
Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president.
joe rogan
How would you have stopped it?
donald j trump
Automatic, two things.
I told him.
I said, Vladimir, you're not going in.
I used to talk to him all the time.
You're not going in.
I can't tell you what I told him, because I think it would be inappropriate.
unidentified
You know why else he wouldn't have done the oil prices at $40 a barrel?
donald j trump
Wouldn't have allowed him.
Wouldn't have given him the money to prosecute that war.
Wouldn't have given him the money.
I said it with President...
I was with President Xi.
I said it was almost the same conversation.
With Vladimir, it was Moscow.
With President Xi, it was Beijing.
It was almost the exact same conversation.
I said, don't do it.
He would have never done it.
The day I left, they threw 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan.
28 bombers.
And it's the apple of his eye.
And the same thing with Russia.
Ukraine is the apple of his eye.
unidentified
You mess with me.
nick fuentes
I will nuke Moscow.
donald j trump
I had a very good relationship with him.
He wouldn't have done it.
He would have never done it.
nick fuentes
I will nuke Beijing.
donald j trump
But he also wouldn't have done it because of the...
You know, one of the reasons that what happened is, number one, he doesn't respect Biden at all.
Not even a little bit.
And who the hell would?
But he doesn't respect him.
But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was handled...
Number one, you take the soldiers out last, not first.
Okay?
That was their big mistake.
And we had that thing charted out.
And they weren't obeying us.
They weren't...
Abdul is the head of the Taliban.
Boom, boom.
He had to do all these things.
Some he didn't do.
I said, nope.
You're not doing...
You got to do them all.
This guy took...
He immediately took all...
He left the equipment behind.
Thirteen soldiers did, but he took everybody out.
unidentified
We know!
We know!
donald j trump
A child would know.
That's why Millie was so stupid.
He was such a stupid guy, Millie.
Okay, those generals should have all been fired.
The people that were involved with Afghanistan should have all been fired.
Then they'd be writing books about him, how stupid he was and how bad he was.
But you take your soldiers out last.
I had a big rally and I saw a child in the front row.
About a year and a half ago, and I called the child up.
I said, do you mind if I borrow your child?
Oh, yes, please.
And they came up, kids five years old.
I gave them quick details, you know.
I said, we want to get out of this place, and we have this, and we have this, and we have the equipment.
I gave them a little thing.
I said, do you take your soldiers out first or last after everything's done?
You take them out last, sir, a child would know that.
We took our soldiers out first.
joe rogan
What was your plan?
donald j trump
And we left the bag room.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, we left billions of dollars worth of equipment and military vehicles that are used for parades now.
donald j trump
The best equipment, yet to embarrass us, the best equipment in the world.
joe rogan
The Taliban parade, where they've got tanks rolling down the streets and Blackhawks flying, is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
We left all that stuff there.
donald j trump
We left the best equipment in the world.
nick fuentes
He had to leave immediately, otherwise we would have been stuck.
donald j trump
Number one, we would have taken...
unidentified
W Biden.
donald j trump
Just so you go back a little bit further, I had a couple of conversations with Abdul.
And from the time I had those conversations, because they were shooting our soldiers, you know, with the sniper stuff.
They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less with me, but they were shooting him.
And I said, get this guy on the phone.
The press went nuts when they heard this.
I had a great conversation with him.
It was a tough conversation.
Eighteen months later, there wasn't one soldier that was ever shot at.
And even Biden admitted it in a moment of stupidity because he shouldn't admit it.
His people went nuts.
He said, yeah, well, I will admit no soldier.
We didn't have a soldier killed in 18 months in Afghanistan.
Not one soldier was killed because he understood what was going to happen if that happened.
I didn't have one soldier.
Then when I left, after having gotten more votes than any sitting president in the history of the country and much more votes than he got in 2016, when I left, They started shooting our soldiers.
But more importantly, what they did is they did that whole thing with, you know, leaving.
He shouldn't have left, number one, should have left from Bagram because Bagram's this massive base.
It's got tremendous acreage around it.
Tremendous.
It's a very big, it was built many years ago.
And part of the reason you wouldn't have taken that is because it goes to China.
One hour from where China makes its nuclear missiles.
You should have never left Bagram.
Number one, they should have left from Bagram.
They should have left last.
They should have got...
You know, we have Americans that are still there.
They should have taken all their equipment out.
Everything should...
Every plane, every screw should have been taken out.
Every tent.
And I said that...
That's when I realized that Millie was a dummy.
I said...
We're leaving, but I want to get everything out.
Sir, it's cheaper to leave it.
I said...
joe rogan
It's cheaper to leave it?
donald j trump
Yeah, he said it's cheaper to leave it.
Cheaper?
Cheaper.
He said it's cheaper.
joe rogan
Not more dangerous.
donald j trump
He just said cheaper.
I said, I want every plane.
I want every tank.
I want the goggles.
They have night goggles.
They have all this stuff that these guys now have.
He said, sir, it's cheaper to get out and leave it.
I said, so you think it's cheaper to leave a $150 million brand new airplane in there than it is to fly it out with a tank of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just fly it directly back...
It's cheaper to live.
I said, this guy's nuts.
I'm telling you.
He was so stupid.
He was so unwise.
He was like an unwise man.
unidentified
He was so unwise.
nick fuentes
He was like an unwise man.
donald j trump
I flew to Iraq and I met the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with.
And we knocked out, you know, I defeated 100% of the ISIS caliphate.
They said it would take five years.
I did it in a matter of a few, literally a few weeks.
And we hit them hard.
And he said, so we're going to hit him here, we're going to hit him there, we're going to hit him here, there.
And I said, this guy's great.
I like this guy.
I was told it would take five years.
That's why I went.
I said, how could it take five years?
We have brand new fighters.
We have the best planes, the best weapons, the best guns, the best bombs.
How could it possibly take that long?
And I flew in, left at 3 o'clock in the morning.
Nobody knew where I was going.
I got on Air Force One and we started flying.
And when we reached about half an hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was, big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir, I'm sorry, you'll have to turn off all your lights.
Why?
We're getting close to our site, our land.
I said, I mean, we spent $8 trillion that we can't leave the lights.
Think of this, 20 years, $8 trillion that we can't leave the lights on in a plane.
I said, that's okay.
Turn the lights on.
I'm not going to fight them.
joe rogan
This is because it's too dangerous?
donald j trump
Yeah, too dangerous, because they see the light up in the air.
They'll shoot at it.
So I said, turn the lights off.
Then they said, sir, we're going to also pull your shades off.
That's okay.
The plane was pitch black.
All the lights outside, you know, the blinking reds, they were all turned off.
And I like to sit with pilots a lot of times.
And these guys are specimens.
I always say, They're better looking than Tom Cruise, okay?
And they're even taller, like perfect specimens.
These guys, like for a fighter, you know, you have some guys...
nick fuentes
Tom Cruise is like three feet tall, so...
donald j trump
You know, they picked the best pilots in the Air Force, United States Air Force, to fly Air Force One.
And I get up there, and I'm feeling my way up.
You know, it's up by the 747, so you go through the stairs, but I sort of knew my way up.
There wasn't a light in the plane.
I'm saying, can you imagine?
We spent trillions of dollars, and we're trying to fly in blind.
But I got into the plane.
The cockpit is dark black, little tiny light.
You could see the pilot.
A perfect-looking human being.
His co-pilot.
Everybody was perfect.
They were all like movie stars.
You know, it's like I could have cast a movie with these guys, and nobody would believe it because they were too good-looking.
So I said, how are we doing, Captain?
Sir, we'll be landing in 10 minutes.
And I look outside.
There's not a light.
You know, I've landed a lot of planes.
And you see, like, little lights at least.
There's nothing.
It's just pure desert.
And I said, okay, Captain, good, but I'm looking.
You've been in many planes where it has the computer sign saying 1,000 feet.
It goes 1,000, 900, 800.
It's a computer voice, but it sounds like it, but it's an incredible voice.
700.
I said, Captain, are we okay?
I'm looking, are we okay, Captain?
There's no lights.
And I'm looking, you know, normally when you land upon, because I sit with us a lot.
I think it's great.
I think it's a great profession, everything.
They're incredible.
These machines are incredible.
He said, sir, we're fine.
No problem, sir.
I said, you know, I don't see the lights up there, Captain.
So, I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit.
You know, the problem with exaggerating, they'll tell the story.
They'll say, Trump was a coward.
So I'm sitting with him, he goes, 500.
And I'm telling you, there wasn't a light on the runway.
Nothing.
And we're going in.
You okay, Captain?
Everything good?
Yes, sir.
No problem.
We'll be down in about one minute, sir.
And I'm telling you, Joe, you know, there's always a light.
There's not a little pin.
And all of a sudden, and you hear, blah, blah, perfect line.
I like glass.
I mean, these guys, between the equipment, it's genius.
It was so dark, you couldn't see a thing.
There was no runway.
You wouldn't know where the hell you are.
You're in the middle of a desert.
And then I got out of the plane.
I said, thank you, Captain.
That's a great job.
And then I got out of the plane, and I'm going out to see a general and another general.
And I see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant, and various guys.
All central casting.
Central casting.
They said, sir, would you like to rest?
I said, I don't want to rest.
I wanted to figure out what the hell are we doing with ISIS. I'm hearing we can't.
It's going to take years.
No, sir, we can do it very quickly, sir.
Anyway, we go into the room.
I mean, Biden would have taken a nap for four days and then left without a meeting.
So we go into the room, and they have these guys.
I say, how long can you do it?
How long?
We can do it in a couple of weeks, sir.
I said, wait a minute.
They told me five years.
We can do it in...
unidentified
I don't know.
donald j trump
He gave me a number, like in no time.
I said, why haven't you done it?
Because the orders...
Came in from Washington, sir, and they would come here and tell us what to do.
Don't you challenge us?
We're not allowed to do that, sir.
That's not the military way.
They tell us what to do, and we have to respect them.
joe rogan
So do you think that it was incompetence why they didn't go after ISIS? I think it's a bad system.
donald j trump
You know, when Mattis goes there or when Milley goes there, who's stupid, and they tell these guys that are actually smart what to do, and the guys that are smart are saying we don't like what they're doing, but they're not allowed to sort of counteract.
Plus, the guys that went there are arrogant.
You know, they're arrogant fools.
They're like stupid fools.
The way they pulled out of, you know, the way they, as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan with the people falling off the planes.
It was worse than Vietnam with the helicopters falling.
It was so bad.
There was no reason for it.
Anyway, so we knocked them out.
And, I mean, we have great military.
We have great people.
Not the television guys.
And I rebuilt the military, and then they gave a chunk of it.
As much as it is, it's a tiny little piece, believe it or not.
I rebuilt the military.
I rebuilt our nuclear.
And in a way, I hated to redo it, but I got to realize how powerful that nuclear is, Joe.
One bomb...
Israel is gone, but forget.
One bomb can take out the entire East Coast.
It's so bad.
And I watch these poor fools talking about our oceans will rise one-eighth of an inch over the next 500 years.
I mean, we have people, we have countries.
Right now you have five countries.
And don't underestimate North...
If you take a look at North Korea, I was there.
I mean, I was with Kim Jong-un.
I had a great relationship.
I got along great with him.
You know, the press, he got along great.
That's a good thing.
It's not a bad thing.
It's a great thing.
Obama thought we were going to go to war with North Korea.
When I met with Obama just prior to the takeoff, you know, you meet, you have sort of a ceremonial meeting.
But it lasted a long time, a lot longer than it was supposed to last.
I said, what's the biggest problem?
He said, North Korea.
By the time I finished, we had no problem with North Korea.
It was a little tough at the beginning, remember?
He said, I have a red button on my desk.
I said, I have a red button also, but mine's bigger than yours and mine works.
joe rogan
I liked how you called him Little Rocket Man.
nick fuentes
We remember, we know, Grandpa.
Grandpa, we've heard this one.
donald j trump
It was so rough that people were worried.
This is crazy.
And then one day, I got a call.
Sort of like a fight.
I got a call.
You know, you ever see one of them pounding?
You got the call.
But I got a call.
And it was from him, meaning his people.
They wanted to meet.
They wouldn't meet Obama.
He tried to meet.
They wouldn't even talk to him about it.
And I think he expected to go to war.
He actually did.
I believe he expected to go.
And we checked their nuclear stockpile.
It is substantial.
I said, do you do anything?
I got to know him very well.
I got to know him better than anybody.
Anybody.
And I said, do you ever do anything else?
Why don't you go take it easy and relax?
Go to the beach.
You have a beautiful beach, nice beachfront property.
You know, kiddingly.
I said, you're always building nuclear.
Just relax.
You don't have to do it.
Let's build some condos on your shoreline.
They actually have gorgeous stuff.
And he said, I just have to do it because I need it for my safety.
I got to know him very well.
We had no problem with him.
If you have a smart problem, if you have a smart, really the right president, a smart president, you're not going to have a problem.
And I say it to people, we have a bigger problem, in my opinion, with the enemy from within.
And it drives them crazy when I use that term.
But we have an enemy from within.
We have people that are really bad people.
nick fuentes
And we know who it is.
donald j trump
That I really think want to make this country unsuccessful.
When you look at what's happening at our border, Joe, when you have people coming in, when other countries are allowed to empty their prisons into our country with murderers, we had 13,099 murderers dropped in our country over the last three years.
joe rogan
And 15,000 rapists, convicted.
donald j trump
Rapists, drug dealers, drug lords, terrorists.
joe rogan
And that's just the ones that have been accounted for.
donald j trump
Correct.
People from mental institutions.
joe rogan
What do you think this strategy is?
donald j trump
Hundreds to hundreds of thousands of major criminals.
Tougher and worse than anybody we have.
joe rogan
Well, I've never seen the consequences of it.
In San Antonio, they've taken over apartment buildings.
In Aurora, Colorado, they've taken over apartment buildings.
These Venezuelan gangs.
donald j trump
Just the beginning.
joe rogan
What do you think the strategy is?
You know, one of the things that they've said is that you stopped a bill from being passed.
But didn't that bill also include amnesty for the people that are already here?
unidentified
Yeah.
donald j trump
This is years after the fact.
The damage was already done.
joe rogan
But what was the bill?
donald j trump
Well, the bill was nothing.
It allowed two million people in.
They were going to get amnesty.
It was a horrible bill.
It didn't protect us at all.
joe rogan
But we should just tell people what the strategy is.
So one of the things that's been very clear is that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that are coming across the border illegally, they've moved them to swing states.
This is what's going on with Springfield, Ohio, right?
donald j trump
They're in swing states.
Well, that's not a swing state.
I'm going to win Ohio by a lot.
So that's not a swing.
It's called Springfield, Ohio to be exact.
And Springfield, Ohio is this very nice community of 52,000 people that just had 32,000 migrants that don't speak the language dropped into their community.
You can't get into a hospital.
You can't get into a school.
It's gone from a beautiful little place to a horror show.
And the mayor is a nice guy.
And the mayor says, we're looking for interpreters.
I said, no.
You've got to remove them and bring them back to their country.
Mostly Haitians in this case.
But they speak no language.
They speak no English.
In fact, even the language they do speak, I mean, they can't get interpreters.
They can't do anything.
And the mayor's trying to be politically correct.
They're all trying to be.
In Aurora, Colorado, You have the worst, probably the worst gang.
MS-13 might even be, you know, those two are the worst gangs.
These are Venezuela gangs.
They have taken over apartment complexes, and they're going to want to take over the whole thing.
And you have a weak governor, a pathetic governor, who's a radical left Democrat.
He doesn't know what the hell to do.
But you have it in many other communities, but they don't like to talk about it because it's, you know, it's bad for the community to talk about it.
These people have been let in here by this imbecile.
I mean it.
She's a low IQ person.
joe rogan
Low IQ. Also, it's obviously not just her.
There's a strategy that's involved in letting these people in.
donald j trump
Well, she was in charge of the border.
joe rogan
Well, she's in charge of the border, but they also utilize that app.
The app that used to be used.
It used to be used, I think, essentially.
Wasn't it for shipping?
Wasn't it when people were in this country?
donald j trump
It was used for shipping, and now it's used to deal with the cartels.
The cartel, heads of the cartel.
Rich people, by the way.
These are loaded.
These people have so much money.
They would call up.
Think of this.
They call up the app, and the app tells them where they should take their load of illegal migrants from the Congo.
You know, we have a lot from the Congo.
Prisons in the Congo.
I made a little bit of a sarcastic joke.
A man named Dana White, who you love, who I love.
I assume you love him.
I think he's in a class.
joe rogan
He's probably the reason why you're here.
donald j trump
I don't know, maybe.
joe rogan
He's one of the big ones.
donald j trump
He is the greatest guy.
You know, I always say, nobody's indispensable.
You know, everybody can be replaced.
Maybe you can't be.
You might not be.
But, you know what, truly, I don't think...
You know, he sold it for $4 billion.
I said, who the hell is going to pay $4 billion?
And they made, like, a great deal.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's worth a lot more than that now.
donald j trump
Take him out.
I think it's all to everybody.
joe rogan
No, he's the best fight promoter of all time.
donald j trump
And he's also the greatest guy.
He spoke at the whole thing with, you know, I had just been shot, and he got up and he spoke so better than anybody.
I mean, who would be better to introduce you?
I asked, of all the people, and I know the biggest people in the world, and they all would have loved to have done it.
I said, Dana, would you do it?
You know, it was interesting.
He was away.
And he said to the people that, you know, one of my guys called, he said...
I won't be able to do it.
Gee, I just left with my wife and family.
I said, hmm.
He said, no, yeah.
I was a little surprised, even though I knew he was very far away.
He was in some place.
And he deserved it with his family.
And then I said, all right.
And I said, well, look at who we're going to get.
And all of a sudden, she comes in.
Sir Dana White just said he's going to do it.
And he's coming back in tonight.
He's taking it.
The guy is just an incredible guy.
And he's like a tough champion, but loyal.
Yeah, he's got to be one of your favorite people.
He's one of my favorite people.
joe rogan
I've been friends with him for 23 years.
donald j trump
So would you have, because what you're doing here is incredible.
I mean, everybody tells me, all I know is today, I'm going, you know, you're on Joe Rogan today.
People tell me, like, I said, I say, how the hell do you know that?
But it's sort of, what you've done here is amazing.
Where would you be if you didn't do the UFC stuff?
Would you have this show, do you think?
joe rogan
Yeah, I would still be doing it, for sure.
donald j trump
Would it be at the same level?
joe rogan
I don't know.
donald j trump
But you would have the show.
joe rogan
It's hard to know.
I think, you know, one of the things that works for this show, I guess, is that I'm involved in so many different things.
You know, stand-up comedy, UFC, and all the interests that I have that lead to the podcast.
donald j trump
Will you always want to do...
First of all, you love UFC. I love it, yeah.
You love the fights.
I mean, I watch you.
You are loving it.
They could pay you nothing.
joe rogan
They didn't pay me anything for the first, like, 13 shows.
I did it for free, because they were hemorrhaging money.
And I became friends with Dana, and my position was, you're going to give me the best seat in the house.
I get to sit cage-side for the fights.
I was like, I'll do it.
And I wanted to help.
I was like, I think these are the guys that we had always hoped for.
In the early days of the sport, I started working for the company in 1997.
Before the UFC was purchased by Zufo, which Dana worked for.
So I was a part of the previous owners.
And I only did it for a couple of years.
It was just too much, and I was losing money.
And it was banned from cable because of Budweiser and John McCain, and you could only get it on TV. And then I came along and I gave him the sights.
unidentified
You did.
joe rogan
And he loves you for that.
donald j trump
And he never forgot it.
joe rogan
He loves you for that.
He talks about it all the time.
donald j trump
Just to interrupt you for one second.
So they couldn't get a sight because it was too dangerous and everybody was against it and they couldn't get a license.
And I gave him the first two or three sights.
And they were great.
And by the way, I went to the first fight.
I said, I never saw anything like this.
It was crazy.
It was so good.
Take the best fight you've ever seen.
It was like that fight, right?
It was so good.
Then I gave it to him again and again.
And all of a sudden it caught on.
But you know...
When I wasn't in vogue, you know, I've had time, you probably never had a time, but I had times when I wasn't exactly in vogue.
Dana, they called him, he said, he's the greatest guy, there's nobody like...
He said, I'll never say anything bad about that guy, because when I needed...
Because they were having a hard time at the beginning.
They almost pulled the plug a couple of times, right?
He said he stood up and he gave us stuff that nobody else gave us and nobody wanted anything to do.
And he said, I will never.
And there was a time where it would have been very popular for him to say bad stuff about me.
He said the greatest stuff about me.
He said, you're going to try and get me to say bad stuff about Trump.
I'm never doing it.
joe rogan
He's an unusual guy.
donald j trump
He's a fantastic guy.
joe rogan
A perfect guy to be at the helm of something so controversial as the UFC. Less controversial now.
Well, now it's huge.
This was always the thing that I would hope that it would be...
I always knew that it was unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe I was crazy.
Maybe I loved it because I've had this long history of being involved in martial arts, and maybe other people just think it's too violent.
donald j trump
Can boxing make it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Boxing's still a great sport.
I love boxing.
donald j trump
But it seems to be...
So unimportant now by comparison to UFC, don't you think?
joe rogan
I think, well, Dana is working with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
They're going to start promoting boxing now.
And with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing can return.
Because the thing is, they want to make fights that maybe promoters don't want to make because they want to protect their fighter.
Controversial fights where it's dangerous.
You don't know this guy could lose.
And so the Saudis, they're smart.
They just offer a tremendous amount of money.
And they're putting together fights that no one else can put together.
They're doing that in boxing.
donald j trump
If Dana's involved, he'll probably make it good.
You know the amazing thing, though, in fighting?
No UFC fighter, they say, has ever died.
And it looks to me much more violent than boxing.
Many boxers have died.
Isn't it interesting?
And Dana tells me because they take so many shots to the face.
joe rogan
Yes.
And there's also no other options to preserve yourself, to protect yourself.
So if you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch.
You can try to take the fight to the ground.
Also, you don't get allowed to get knocked down and then get back up.
When you get knocked down, you're concussed.
And generally, if a guy's really hurt, they can be finished on the ground and the fight's over.
If it's boxing, you have 10 seconds to get up.
You get up, your head kind of clears, but you're still in real bad trouble, and you can kind of run away and survive until the bell rings.
They're only three-minute rounds, and then you start again.
So you're getting repeated punishment to the head.
And then there's also the issue of guys weight cutting, which is a problem with the UFC as well.
But weight cutting in boxing has led to, if you look at deaths in boxing, there's very few of them in the heavyweight division.
Most of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions.
Because when guys dehydrate themselves to lose weight, to make weight, their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated.
It's very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly.
And you only have 24 hours between the weigh-in and the fight, and it used to be the weigh-ins were the day of the fight.
Like when Boom Boom Mancini had a fight with Dukku Kim and killed him in the ring, which is one of the last ones on television that we've seen.
donald j trump
That's right.
joe rogan
That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking, and it led to a bunch of different changes.
One of them is day before weigh-ins to allow people to rehydrate better, and the other one is they dropped it from 15 rounds down to 12.
donald j trump
Which, look, they should do that.
You know, I'm not the fighter, but those 15-round fights were unbelievable.
joe rogan
They were unbelievable.
Yeah, you go back to the golden age.
donald j trump
Yeah, in terms of entertainment, those were the championship rounds.
Those were the greatest fights ever.
joe rogan
Those last three rounds were crazy.
I mean, it's such a war of attrition.
You know, a lot of people think even like a five-round UFC fight.
UFC is five-minute rounds.
It's so much energy you're burning out.
And those last couple of rounds, those five-round fights, the fourth and the fifth round, unbelievably brutal.
donald j trump
Who's the greatest UFC fighter, are you allowed to say, in your opinion?
It's tough for you to say because you do this, but who do you think is the greatest of the fighters?
joe rogan
There's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of all time.
You know, Jon Jones, most people would say he's the greatest of all time, never lost.
There's certainly a really good argument for that.
There's another argument for George St.
Pierre.
I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime, Anderson Silva in his prime.
You know, Mighty Mouse.
People forget about Mighty Mouse because, unfortunately, he's a smaller guy.
He's 125 pounds, flyweight champion.
He's one of the greatest expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen.
I think to this day.
donald j trump
And Khabib?
joe rogan
Khabib's fantastic.
But if you looked at, like, accomplishments in terms of championship fights, Khabib retired 29-0, but he didn't have as many world championship fights.
donald j trump
And probably never lost a round.
joe rogan
He might have lost to Gleason Tebow.
He might have lost to him.
unidentified
A round.
joe rogan
He might have lost a round.
And that was a controversial fight where people think that Gleason Tebow could have even gotten the decision in that fight.
I'd have to go back and watch it again to make a decision.
donald j trump
They're great athletes now.
joe rogan
Oh, the best athletes in the world.
And the most dangerous sport in terms of, like, I always call it high-level problem solving with dire physical consequences.
That's what fighting is.
donald j trump
You know, I'll never forget.
So there was a fighter named James Tony.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I love James Tony.
donald j trump
He fought as a very light fighter, and he ended up as a heavyweight.
This guy went through everything.
He was almost like a lightweight.
joe rogan
He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight.
And beat Amanda Holyfield as a heavyweight.
donald j trump
And he was a real fighter.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
donald j trump
So James Tony, and I think it was St.
joe rogan
George...
George St.
Pierre?
donald j trump
St.
Pierre.
I think it was him.
Who did he fight?
James Tony.
joe rogan
No, James Toney didn't fight George Smith.
donald j trump
He fought a UFC fighter.
joe rogan
Yeah, Randy Couture fought James Toney.
That was like an easy fight.
That was a very easy fight.
Randy Couture just took him down and strangled him.
donald j trump
And he's half the size.
And he just, once he got to the ankles, the announcer said, it's over.
joe rogan
Yeah, he took him down, mounted him, strangled him.
donald j trump
But he was talking big, because he was much bigger.
He was a pretty big guy.
joe rogan
I think James just wanted to make some money.
unidentified
You think so?
Yeah.
donald j trump
I never forgot it.
It was over very quickly.
He was lying, sleeping on the mat, and he was talking.
He was doing the Muhammad Ali stuff, but it didn't work out.
unidentified
He sold the fight.
donald j trump
Yeah, that was Couture probably.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was Couture.
George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight.
If he did, he would kill them.
donald j trump
Was he one of the greatest?
joe rogan
Yes, unquestionably.
The argument, there's like a handful of guys you can make the argument as the greatest of all time.
People forget about Anderson Silva.
In his prime, he was unstoppable.
But that's the thing is, and then there's Fedor Emelianenko, who fought in Pride.
In his prime, he was unstoppable.
donald j trump
And you have a couple now that are pretty good.
joe rogan
Oh, we've got so many now.
Alex Pereira.
There's an argument that he's the top pound for pound fighter in the world right now.
donald j trump
He's looking very good, yeah.
joe rogan
He's unbelievable.
But it's like, fighters can only compete at that level for so many years.
And so, in my opinion, you have to judge them at their very peak.
You can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting.
You can't judge them when they're coming up.
You've got to judge them in that championship.
In that championship peak, there's a handful of guys that you would consider at the very top.
donald j trump
If they stopped a little bit sooner, some of them would have had, you know, I mean, there are a couple that you just mentioned without mentioning names.
If they stopped, they had the perfect, they were unbelievable, and then at a certain age, they start getting knocked out, right?
joe rogan
Yes, it's unfortunate, but the thing is that same belief in themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think that they can do it long past the time that they actually can.
donald j trump
Well, Anderson Silva was essentially unbeatable, and then he lost a close one, and then all of a sudden...
joe rogan
No, he got knocked out.
He got knocked out by Chris Weidman.
He was kind of clowning in that fight, famously, and Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out, and then they fought a second time, and he broke his leg on Chris Weidman.
And after that fight, he was kind of never the same because that leg break injury, which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters.
Weidman actually wound up having the same injury, ironically.
There's only been like four of those.
donald j trump
You're never the same because you can't kick.
joe rogan
Never the same.
Well, you can.
Weidman is still kicking with that leg.
You can, but psychologically, when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half and you're in agony for a year, right?
You have to get surgery.
You have to get bolts and plates to keep your leg together, and then it takes forever for it to heal.
donald j trump
It always amazes me how the kicker, I mean, you have those cases, but the kicker will do tremendous damage to somebody's leg, but their leg doesn't seem to get damaged.
Isn't it sort of amazing?
joe rogan
It does get damaged.
It hurts.
donald j trump
More than you think.
joe rogan
Yeah, but your shin gets very numb after a while.
And guys that are really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh, and they're kicking the calf, they're kicking soft areas, and they're slamming this hard, numb shin.
Their shin gets all these, like, micro-fractures all over the shin, and it calcifies.
Like, these guys can kick baseball bats.
You ever seen them break baseball bats with their shins?
donald j trump
No, I've never seen them.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Some guys can do two baseball bats.
Someone will hold the baseball bat and they'll just kick right through them.
donald j trump
But see, I want your enthusiasm now, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald j trump
And it's like, that's the way you're good at it.
Nobody does this better.
Without the enthusiasm, forget it.
joe rogan
Well, it has to be authentic.
I mean, the only reason why I do MMA commentary is because I'm very interested in it, for real.
I don't have to manufacture it.
I'm very interested.
donald j trump
You love going in there after the fight and they're sweating all over you.
They're slapping all over you.
joe rogan
You're beautiful.
unidentified
They bleed on me.
donald j trump
They're bleeding on me.
Does that bother you a little bit?
unidentified
No.
donald j trump
Like two weeks ago, more stuff came out of his nose?
joe rogan
Yes, it was pretty nasty.
But no, I'm very used to it.
I just wanted him to be able to express himself.
donald j trump
You've done a great job.
joe rogan
Thank you.
donald j trump
You've done a great job.
joe rogan
So, back to you, and back to, what are you, and first of all, I love this idea of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy, and I love this Make America Healthy Again idea, because there are chemicals and ingredients in our food that are illegal in other countries, because they've been shown to be toxic.
There's pesticides and herbicides, and there's a lot of shit that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary, and there's a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot of these things.
donald j trump
I've read this chart for you.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
donald j trump
Because I had a feeling you'd be asking me.
unidentified
Thank you.
donald j trump
Look at this chart.
These are healthier countries.
Look where the United States is.
I'm going to send this to RFK Jr.
joe rogan
I was actually talking to RFK today, and he told me that more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health.
donald j trump
I could see it.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
donald j trump
A lot of it's obesity.
joe rogan
Here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.
donald j trump
Same chart.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald j trump
Did you see that?
joe rogan
USA. Wow.
donald j trump
That's pretty good.
joe rogan
Jamie's the best.
donald j trump
He's very good.
joe rogan
He's the best.
donald j trump
But look at that.
joe rogan
Look at the USA. Not good.
And that's our food.
That's our diet.
That's sedentary lifestyle.
That's our diet.
That's the chemicals we ingest.
That's what that is.
donald j trump
But RFK is going to be very, you know, I think he's a great guy.
joe rogan
I love the fact that you guys teamed up.
donald j trump
Yeah.
joe rogan
And are you guys, are you completely committed to have him a part of your administration?
unidentified
Oh, I am.
donald j trump
But the only thing I want to be a little careful about with him is the environmental.
Because, you know, he doesn't like oil.
I love oil, I guess.
I think, you know, I think.
Just keep him out of that.
I said, focus on health.
You can do whatever you want.
But I've got to be a little bit careful with the liquid gold, you know?
joe rogan
I understand.
But listen, there's plenty of good work that could be done if you focus on health.
donald j trump
That's funny.
Here's the one that's my all-time favorite, though.
joe rogan
What is that?
donald j trump
See the arrow right here?
That's what I left.
joe rogan
Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not work with him?
Have there been people...
donald j trump
To not work with who?
joe rogan
RFK Jr.
Yes.
Yes, I would imagine.
Because financially, he could put a dent.
donald j trump
I would say that...
I think in many ways they've done a good job, in many ways they've done a bad job.
But I would say that the big pharma wasn't thrilled when they heard that, you know, I have a relationship.
I've actually always gotten along very well with him.
I've known him a long time.
He's a different kind of a guy.
He's very smart, great guy.
And he's very sincere about this.
I mean, he really is, you know, he thinks we spend a fortune on pesticides and all this stuff and then you end up with it.
That chart is a terrible chart, the one previous.
It's such a bad chart when you look at where we are compared to other countries that don't spend 10 cents.
And you save a lot of money.
But yeah, I've had some people that aren't exactly thrilled.
You can imagine, right?
joe rogan
Sure.
donald j trump
It's a good question, actually.
joe rogan
Well, certainly if there have been some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative consequences that these people have been profiting off of, and then you have a guy like RFK Jr.
who spends an enormous amount of time highlighting those things, you could say how they've been very reluctant to have you support him.
donald j trump
I would say that's an understatement.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So what do you do to stop that from getting in the way?
donald j trump
Well, look, they've come up with some amazing things.
I mean, I don't know how you feel.
I know you're against certain vaccines.
But like the polio vaccine, people had polio.
It was like a disaster.
And they came up, Dr.
Salk, and he came up with a vaccine, and there's no polio.
Now, very interesting, there hasn't been polio, but now in the Gaza Strip, can you believe that?
Have you heard that?
There's been a big strain of polio coming out in the Gaza Strip.
joe rogan
Is it vaccine-derived polio?
Because, you know, there's a strain of polio that comes directly from the vaccine, because unfortunately sometimes when vaccinate people for polio, you actually give them polio.
donald j trump
See, I haven't heard of that, yeah.
I mean, all I can do is I sit down and I listen to him, and I'll give it a total.
I would love him to be right.
Because if he's right, it's a lot less expensive, generally speaking.
joe rogan
There's two things that people point to when they point to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry.
One thing is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television.
We're only one of two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. The other one's New Zealand, but they're more restrictive than we are.
donald j trump
But those ads, those ads, when you hear like, you know, take a certain drug.
joe rogan
And then you hear all the consequences.
donald j trump
And then you say, it causes cancer and baldness.
We don't like baldness.
Suicidal ideation.
And you can lose your vision.
And you know, I actually asked one of these guys, I would never take.
I mean, of course, there's things that are so bad.
They go through a whole list.
I guess they save some liability.
But man, I said, does that affect the purchase?
Or they say, it really does.
When there's something you have and you read, and then they go through the list of the potential side effects.
I mean, a lot of people are just...
I ask that question.
People hear that.
When I hear it, I'm going to take a pass.
It says, may affect your vision, may cause blindness, may this...
joe rogan
Well, I know you're aware of Callie and Casey Means, right?
donald j trump
Yes.
joe rogan
Well, one of the things that they pointed out, and this is a very important thing for people to understand, is what a lot of these drugs do is they act to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic health.
Most of these problems that these people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis on metabolic health.
If people got healthier, they started eating nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these problems that people are having would go away.
And the problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people.
donald j trump
And the pesticides and things like that on the plants, what do you think of that?
joe rogan
Terrible.
Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult to scale to a point where you've got a jack-in-the-box on every corner.
If everybody wants food, and we have food deserts, and we have places like Los Angeles where no one's growing anything, and everything has to be shipped in, it's very difficult to feed that many people.
We've created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities, but it's very difficult to get food to these people.
And then, for a lot of these people in low-income areas, the only food that's available is cheap, unhealthy food.
nick fuentes
They steal from the grocery stores.
joe rogan
If we could send $175 billion to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot of the health problems that the United States has.
And I think it would help us as a nation overall.
If you just put it out there that, hey, as a nation, we're going to make a concerted effort to get people healthier.
Just put it out there and people start making better choices.
donald j trump
Well, when you look at that chart, they just gave me that chart because they said you may want to discuss this topic, which I know is a big topic for you.
And when I looked at that chart and I looked at how unhealthy we are as a nation, that's a pretty big thing.
joe rogan
How are you so healthy?
Is it golf?
donald j trump
No, it's genetics, I believe.
You know, I'm a big believer.
joe rogan
Genetics is a big factor.
donald j trump
I really am.
I mean, my father was...
joe rogan
Unfortunately, it is a big factor for health.
Some people are just way more robust.
But you do play golf a lot, and that is exercise.
donald j trump
Both of my parents.
For me, it's good.
joe rogan
Fresh air.
donald j trump
It really is.
It's fresh when you're outside.
Even mentally, you're focused on that three-footer.
For a couple of hours, you're not.
And I go quick.
I play fast, real fast, and I'm in and out.
But, you know, it gives me...
I was never one that could, like, run on a treadmill.
And I can do it.
You know, when passing a physical...
They asked me to run on a treadmill, and then they make it steeper and steeper and steeper.
And the doctor said, it was at Walter Reed, they said, it's unbelievable.
I'm telling you, I felt I could have gone all day.
But I said, Doc, I can do this all day long.
I have no problem.
But it's boring to me.
Do you understand?
It's just boring.
joe rogan
Golf's exciting.
donald j trump
But I did it for so long.
They couldn't believe it that I did it.
And I don't do it.
I have friends that run on this stuff all day long.
But I had no problem doing it.
But it's really boring.
So with golf or something, or tennis or whatever.
Golf, as you get older, there's something really good about it.
And you have competition with your friends.
joe rogan
Competition, concentration, focus.
donald j trump
And it's a great handicap sport.
joe rogan
And it's also a thing, I think, that cleans your mind because when you're looking at a shot, that's all you can think of when you're executing.
donald j trump
It gives you a couple of hours.
You know, it's interesting.
Like with tennis, if you're much better than somebody, you can't really play with somebody.
You know, it doesn't work.
You can give them sort of the equivalent of strokes, right?
But it's not the same.
With golf, you can play with a lousy guy and give him a stroke a hole or two strokes a hole or something.
You know, it's a good handicapping sport.
joe rogan
Right.
donald j trump
But it gives me a little exercise, but I haven't played in a long time.
I won 32 club championships.
joe rogan
Didn't you play right after you got shot?
donald j trump
No.
What I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau.
Do you know Bryson?
joe rogan
Yes.
donald j trump
The pro.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
donald j trump
He's a great player.
And we played, it was a certain thing that we played, I guess called breaking 50 or something.
50 we play from a certain tee and if you can break 50.
And it got tremendous ratings.
Sort of like a crazy thing.
He's a great guy.
joe rogan
But wasn't that like a couple of days after you got shot?
donald j trump
I don't know.
I know I haven't.
joe rogan
That was one of the funniest things.
You were on the golf course.
donald j trump
I think I did.
Yeah, maybe I did.
But I, you know, I feel it very interestingly.
I'm running.
For president of the United States.
To me, it's such a big deal.
It's so important.
joe rogan
What's the biggest deal in the free world?
donald j trump
It's 100 times bigger than the Super Bowl.
And it's one person.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald j trump
So you're down to two people.
And we start off at 9 billion.
Because you have 9 billion, they say, in the world.
Who knows what that number is.
But you get down to 350 million.
Sadly, we have no idea what we have in this country.
But let's assume it's 325, 350 million.
And you're down to two people.
It's the biggest thing in the world.
And when I heard she took off yesterday and she took off the day before and she's going to take off tomorrow or the next day, I haven't taken a day off in 56 days.
That's a long time.
I haven't taken one day off.
I don't want to play golf.
This is too exciting.
Golf is great, but this is too exciting.
This is more exciting than anything you can do.
joe rogan
Also, it's the home stretch.
unidentified
Absolutely.
donald j trump
It's the home stretch.
Who would take a day off?
So we have 11 days left now.
And think of it.
So I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row.
No days off.
And I make speeches oftentimes, you know, sometimes not, but I make speeches.
And when you make a speech, and my speeches last a long time because of the weave, you know, I mean, I weave stories into it.
And if you don't, if you just read a teleprompter, nobody's going to be very excited.
You've got to weave it out.
unidentified
The weave sucks, too.
donald j trump
As you say, you always have to get right back to work.
Otherwise, it's no good.
But the weave is very, very important.
Very few weavers around.
But it's a big strain on your...
You know, it's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
You've got to be careful with the voice.
You can lose that voice.
The voice wasn't designed.
I said today, so I made a big one last night.
I was in Las Vegas.
Big one the night before in Arizona.
Big one.
I mean, they're all big.
There's never been anything like it in terms of crowds.
Never been close.
Never been close.
unidentified
Okay.
donald j trump
Make the point!
So we get crowds that are...
Really big.
And I say, you know, I've never had a story, because I don't get good press.
I don't think I've had a good story in years.
I really don't.
I swear, I don't think I, you were talking about it a little bit with Oprah.
nick fuentes
It's just all over the place, man.
donald j trump
I became president of the United States.
I did great the second time.
I did much better.
I don't want to get you in any disputes, but I won that second election so easy.
But let me get to that.
joe rogan
I want to talk to you about that.
donald j trump
But here's the thing.
I did that, and now I've gotten the nomination again.
And don't forget, to get these nominations, you go against very smart people.
Ron DeSantis was hot.
I had to go through him.
Nikki Haley was hot.
I had to go through her.
I went through everybody.
Record time, right?
Record time.
I got three nominations in a row.
Won the first time.
Did much better the second time.
You know, I get millions of votes more the second time.
And now I'm doing it a third time.
And it's an incredible thing.
I never get a good story.
I only get bad press.
Now, I will say this.
It's a lot easier if you're a Democrat.
If I were a Democrat, You get a lot of positive.
I would get a lot of positive.
joe rogan
No, it's a creepy, corrupt business.
And the media, to a large extent, acts as a propaganda arm for the Democratic Party.
donald j trump
It's not even believable.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's bizarre to watch.
And most young people, I think, are aware of it.
I think most boomers still, unfortunately, read the newspapers and believe in CNN. But it's getting younger.
Yes.
donald j trump
It's getting for us, for a conservative.
But you know why that is?
It's the internet.
joe rogan
It's because the internet's giving people information that they're not getting from anywhere else.
And the very fine people hoax, the Russiagate hoax, all these different things that they've done, they tried to pin on you.
It's a clear distortion of what you actually said.
donald j trump
The bloodbath hoax.
I was talking about the auto industry.
It's a bloodbath because Japan and China are taking our auto.
And I said, it's a bloodbath.
They said, oh, he used the word bloodbath.
joe rogan
He said, if you don't win, it's going to be a bloodbath.
donald j trump
That's right.
It's a terrible thing they do.
joe rogan
But that's the problem with propagandists because they take things out of context and ultimately what they do is they diminish their own credibility because people don't want to listen to them anymore because they see that they've done that and they recognize what's going on and they feel insulted.
Their intelligence is getting insulted.
donald j trump
Well, look at the ratings.
You know, shows like yours.
So I have a son who's very smart and tall, barren, right?
And he knows all about you.
He knows about guys I never heard of.
He said, Dad, you don't know how big they are.
They're big.
I said, who the hell is he?
Like Ross.
He said, Dad, he's a great guy.
I mean, guys that are doing it.
It's a whole new world out there.
unidentified
My man, Aiden.
I'm on TikTok now.
Aiden Ross.
donald j trump
Have you seen the numbers?
unidentified
That's crazy.
donald j trump
Billions of hits.
It's crazy.
unidentified
I'm sure.
joe rogan
TikTok's a wild application.
donald j trump
And I've gone up 30 points.
A Republican is always down 30 with young people.
I'm plus 30.
And I'm going to talk to TikTok.
It's had a huge impact.
joe rogan
I think young people are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit.
Young people are tired of being yelled at and scolded.
They're tired of these people that they think are mentally ill telling them what the moral standards of society should be today.
People are upset.
donald j trump
There's a big difference now.
But even in just a couple of years, I was shaking hands with people.
The young people...
joe rogan
The rebels are Republicans now.
They're like, you want to be a rebel?
You want to be punk rock?
You want to buck the system?
You're a conservative now.
That's how crazy.
And then the liberals are now pro...
They're pro-silencing criticism.
They're pro-censorship online.
They're talking about regulating free speech and regulating the First Amendment.
It's bananas to watch.
donald j trump
Joe, they come after their political opponent.
I got more guys.
I always say, you know, I kid, but I'm not kidding.
I've been investigated more than Alphonse Capone.
He was the meanest of them all.
He'd kill you in two seconds if he didn't like you, right?
I've been under investigation more than Alphonse Capone, only because it's political opponent stuff.
And I've won.
I won the big case in Florida.
I'm winning the other stuff.
You win.
But you know what they did?
They did something that's only done in third world countries.
They came after their political opponent.
I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, but they're weaponizing it by saying that that's what you're going to do once you get in office.
Ignoring what they're doing right now.
donald j trump
It's crazy.
Somebody was defending me today.
They said, no, that's what you're doing to him.
They're going, he's going to put us in jail.
He's going to invest...
That's what you're doing to him.
A lot of people say, will you do that?
Will you do that to them if you win?
You know, the presidency has tremendous power.
I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail.
joe rogan
I respected that you didn't because what you said was it would be bad for the country.
donald j trump
No, I couldn't even imagine you have, first of all, Secretary of State, but more importantly, the wife of the President of the United States of America going into jail.
And if you ever saw when I'd say something about it, I didn't say it.
I never said it.
They say, lock her up, lock her up.
And I'd always go, take it easy, just relax.
We're going to win this thing.
Take it easy, take it easy.
And I'm telling you, I kept it down.
Just the opposite.
Now they say, oh, Trump wanted to put her in jail.
No, I saved her from going to jail.
They had more stuff on her.
And Comey had it.
unidentified
Awesome.
donald j trump
Because when Comey got up, and he stupidly, because he's a stupid guy too, he goes, he's a stupid son of a bitch.
He got up.
Joe, he got up.
And instead of saying she's innocent of all charges, he went over each charge And each judge was a killer.
And he'd go, and as far as her doing this, she's innocent.
And this, and then she's only an unfair prosecutor.
But every time you heard these charges, they sounded so bad.
They were bad.
And all it was is he wanted more airtime.
If he would have gone up and said, I've thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton and she's done nothing that we feel is wrong, it would have ended.
Instead, he wanted to be up there because he's a PR hound.
He's a hog.
And he starts going through.
And you know what he had?
They had a huge problem because FBI is great.
The people there.
Not the top people.
The people.
The real people.
The people that work there.
It's like the real generals that I told you about that defeated ISIS in record time.
The FBI guys are great.
I'll bet you I'd be at 95 percent in the FBI. I bet that's right.
Underneath.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald j trump
And so here's the thing.
So he goes with Hillary and instead of just saying, he goes through each charge.
joe rogan
Right.
donald j trump
And even I was saying, man, those are bad charges.
joe rogan
Sounds terrible because it's associating her with those charges.
donald j trump
Don't forget, this is before I got there.
unidentified
Right.
donald j trump
Now he was trying to protect her, but he did her a great disservice.
joe rogan
Because he wanted attention.
donald j trump
He was stupid.
joe rogan
So I want to talk about 2020 because you said over and over again that you were robbed in 2020.
unidentified
Yeah.
donald j trump
Totally.
joe rogan
How do you think you were robbed?
Everybody always cuts you off.
donald j trump
Well, they not only cut you off.
What I'd rather do is we'll do it another time, and I would bring in papers that you would not believe, so many different papers.
That election was so crooked.
It was the most crooked election.
joe rogan
Okay, but give me some examples of how.
donald j trump
Well, let's start on the top and the easy ones.
They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the things they did, and they didn't get it.
In many cases, they didn't get it.
joe rogan
What things?
donald j trump
Anything.
joe rogan
Legislative approval of...
donald j trump
Like for extensions of the voting, for voting earlier, for all different things.
By law, they had to get legislative approvals.
You don't have to go any further than that.
If you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen.
They wouldn't give access in certain areas to the ballots because the ballots weren't signed.
They weren't originals.
We could go into this stuff.
We could go into the ballots or we could go into the overall.
I'll give you another one.
joe rogan
Are you going to present this ever?
Let me just give you one more before.
donald j trump
51 intelligence agents come up that the laptop was from Russia.
It turned out to be totally false.
joe rogan
51 former intelligence agents, right?
donald j trump
They say that made...
I don't believe it's this much, but it doesn't matter.
I won by like...
I lost by like...
I didn't lose, but they say I lost, Joe, they say I lost my 22,000 votes.
That's like one-tenth of one percent less than that.
It's a tiny little thing.
22,000 votes spread over, that spread over this period.
So, 51 intelligence agents lied.
nick fuentes
They caught himself there because of me.
donald j trump
It was Hunter's.
It was from his bed.
It was Hunter's laptop.
They said it was created by Russia.
Russia, Russia.
It was the Russia hoax.
The Russia hoax was a big hoax.
It was all a big hoax.
joe rogan
Well, that's clear.
donald j trump
That's one example.
joe rogan
That is a good example.
donald j trump
But that's a big example.
They say it made a 17-point difference.
That's a big example.
But that's only one.
And you could go into the ballots where they wouldn't give you access to the ballots.
You could go into the ballot harvesting.
You could go into $500 million for the lockboxes.
joe rogan
But just in terms of narrative, so there's two things, right?
There's the Russia hoax.
There's the collusion with Russia that was never proven, right?
That's one.
donald j trump
No, it was proven it didn't happen.
joe rogan
Right.
Right, but they talked about it on television.
donald j trump
But it took two and a half years to prove.
joe rogan
But not only that, but it was a constant narrative on television.
That's a constant narrative that gets into people's minds, especially low-information people that are just watching the news, that you're in collusion with Russia.
So that's one.
So that changes the narrative.
And then you have the 51 former intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get them to remove links.
You can't share it on DMs.
You cannot share that story.
They swept that story because they said it was Russian disinformation, even though they knew it was not.
So that's two examples that are real examples.
Now, anyone who considers himself a legitimate, objective observer of American politics, if you really want the best person to win, you would want people to not lie.
And the only reason why they got away with this lie was because they continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler.
They kept saying you're going to be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you weren't a dictator for the four years where you were actually the president.
donald j trump
I was actually the opposite of a dictator.
I was a very straight guy.
But look, those three things, you take those three things.
Each one of them by themselves causes the result to be different.
joe rogan
It does.
donald j trump
And then you can go into a hundred other things.
There's so many.
We can't have corrupt elections and we can't have open borders.
You need to have a country.
You need borders.
You need fair elections.
And I'll tell you the other thing you need is you need a free and fair press.
One of the things I like about doing a show like this, can you imagine Kamala doing this show?
joe rogan
I could imagine her doing the show.
donald j trump
She'd be laying on the floor.
joe rogan
She was supposed to do it, and she might still do it, and I hope she does.
I will talk to her like a human being.
donald j trump
If she did this kind of an interview with you, I hope she does, because it would be a mess.
She'd be laying on the floor comatose.
You'd be saying, call in the medics.
joe rogan
I think we'd have a fine conversation.
I think I'd be able to talk to her.
I wouldn't try to interview her.
I'd just try to have a conversation with her and hopefully get to know her as a human being.
That was my goal, having her on.
Trying to get her to express herself just as a human being.
I don't know if these...
I don't think these formats are good.
I don't think that two people...
First of all, I hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas.
Also, you have to break...
donald j trump
I think you have to have the debates, though.
joe rogan
Right, but the way they do the debates, I think, is the wrong way to do it.
I think they should have a conversation.
I think you and Kamala, you sit across the table with no one in the room but the two of you.
Of course you're not going to shout each other.
Of course you're not going to insult each other.
donald j trump
I mean, it may get...
They used to do it that way.
joe rogan
Hopefully it wouldn't, but that would be the way to do it.
They used to do it that way.
To put cameras on you with no one interfering with checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased, because they checked you all those times and they didn't check her, with clearly things that were inaccurate, right?
So have two people just have a conversation with us without a time constraint.
unidentified
Just have them smoke pot and talk about the universe.
joe rogan
And also this idea that they cut off the microphone.
donald j trump
No crowd.
unidentified
You just gotta have them chum out and take a hit of a bone.
nick fuentes
Of course you would.
donald j trump
You're good at crowds.
nick fuentes
Talk about the universe and shit.
donald j trump
I don't think you want the debate.
joe rogan
Why did they want no crowd?
What was the argument?
nick fuentes
I should have sex.
donald j trump
Instead of a debate, they should make out and just make love.
nick fuentes
Play an instrument.
donald j trump
It's like the mob.
joe rogan
Right.
donald j trump
I'll take it.
Once you get a guitar.
nick fuentes
Once you get the drums.
donald j trump
That thing got tremendous ratings, too.
That was crazy.
But we'll debate Joe Biden.
You can't have a crowd.
They also wanted sitting down.
I said, look, you've got to stand up.
You can't really sit down.
In the old days, they did sit down a little bit.
joe rogan
He gets tired.
donald j trump
You've got to stand up.
And they agreed to it.
It was a very tough thing.
It almost killed it.
They wanted to have, like, desks, we said.
I said, I think we should stand up.
And that was the only thing I asked for.
I said, we've got to stand up.
I thought it looked bad for, like, the public.
But they said, no crowd, and cut off the mic.
And I said, I can live with it.
I mean, I can live with it.
And they thought I was going to reject it.
And then they would say he didn't want to debate Sleepy Joe.
joe rogan
Right.
donald j trump
That's what they thought was going to happen.
joe rogan
Well, they tried to say that with you and Kamala as well.
They tried to say that you didn't want to debate her as well.
donald j trump
No, by the way, with her, number one, I'm leading.
Number two, you know, they also said it with the primary.
So I had like 10, 12 guys, right, in the primary.
No stupid guys.
I mean, they're governors and they're senators.
They're not stupid people.
Some are stupid, but not all of them.
And all my guys said, you have to be in the debate.
I said, why?
I'm leading by 74 points.
The closest guy to me, I'm like 60 points, 70 points higher.
Why would I stand there like an idiot for two hours and let every one of them scream at me?
I'm going to be the focus.
And I said, I'm not debating.
And it was a very smart thing because, you know, they just killed themselves.
joe rogan
The Republican primaries.
donald j trump
Yeah, the Republican primaries.
I like debating.
I think you have to debate.
It has to be fair.
I like debating like the Rosie O'Donnell debate.
I like debating when you have a question.
Remember the Rosie O'Donnell?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's very funny, Megan.
donald j trump
Crazy thing, Megan.
That was a hell of a question, man.
If I didn't come up with that answer, I would say.
Well, what it was is, you know, that was – we had 28,000 people.
That was the Cleveland arena where the Cavaliers played.
joe rogan
Right.
donald j trump
LeBron James.
I'm not a big fan of LeBron James, but he is a good basketball player.
But, you know, that was the – LeBron James.
The place went crazy.
And she kept talking.
No, she had like 10 other...
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Megan said, you said it to other people, and you admitted you did.
But it was funny.
It was a comedic timing moment.
donald j trump
It was funny.
joe rogan
That's what they wanted to avoid.
donald j trump
It was lucky I did it, because she was drowning.
Oh, she wasn't finished.
That question, but she kept talking, but you couldn't hear.
To this day, they don't know what she said, but it wasn't positive.
So anyway, but we had a good time.
joe rogan
It's comedic timing, and that's the reason why to have a debate in front of a large audience.
donald j trump
Well, how did I do with the Al Smith dinner?
I got very good reviews on that.
joe rogan
That was great.
Very funny.
Very funny stuff.
The Tim Walls stuff was very funny.
donald j trump
Tim Walls, yeah.
joe rogan
It's funny.
donald j trump
That's a real beauty.
joe rogan
That's a crazy one.
She said that she had picked him, and this is one of the questions I want to ask her, when she was sleep-deprived.
She said she was suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which is just like...
donald j trump
Hey, maybe take a nap!
So I was...
Okay, look, let's see how it all turns out.
I think we're going to win.
I think we're way ahead now.
I think we're way ahead.
But if they lose, I think they're going to look at two things.
They're going to say they should have had a primary, even if it was a short primary.
They shouldn't have picked her.
And then she's going to say, I shouldn't have picked this guy.
joe rogan
She shouldn't have picked that guy.
That guy's a disaster.
The lying about Tiananmen Square.
donald j trump
Everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, the military record, assistant coach versus head coach.
donald j trump
Little things.
So I did McDonald's last week.
joe rogan
I saw that.
donald j trump
And I actually got a call from your friends at Google, from Sundar.
That's pretty good, right?
He said, this is the biggest thing we've had in years.
joe rogan
You at McDonald's?
unidentified
At McDonald's.
donald j trump
Did you know that?
It was one of the...
joe rogan
It was funny.
donald j trump
Who's a great guy, by the way.
But he said, this McDonald's thing, I want to tell you, it's one of the biggest things we've ever had on Google.
It just hit.
But the reason I did, and I actually, you know, you never know about this stuff.
I thought it was a throwaway.
I didn't think our conversation was a throwaway, but I thought that was, I thought I'd walk in, and that was only to highlight the fact, and I have a friend who owns like 56 of these McDonald's, and he said, do you want to use one?
I said, yeah, I love it.
So we went there, and the crowd was crazy.
You know, they had 28,000 people around, the whole thing.
Did you see the outside?
It was crazy.
The cars couldn't get through.
Secret Service was not exactly thrilled.
We had no idea what the hell.
But I went into the place and I did the French fry thing.
And it just hit.
But that's like in life.
Sometimes you do.
I thought it was like a quick throwaway.
We're going to be there for 15 minutes.
Then I said, I've worked here for 15 minutes, which is 15 minutes more than she worked here.
She lied about McDonald's.
unidentified
And you know, is that proven that she never worked at McDonald's?
donald j trump
Well, McDonald's has no information.
She has no information.
There's nobody.
The manager said she never worked there, you know, it was a certain place, and he said they never.
No, she lied.
She's a liar.
You know what they do?
They'll say, like, on any one of the questions, take any, they'll say, it's the exact opposite of what I say.
IVF. He's against IVF, the fertilization.
And it's the exact opposite.
It came out immediately strongly in favor.
And they do ads.
I'm against it.
It's wrong.
On every single topic.
And you know, she changed policies on 15.
I've never seen a guy change, anybody change, on more than one.
You know, you can maybe get away with one.
Her whole life, fracking.
Every single thing that she was for, the confiscation of guns, she wants to confiscate.
Now she's saying everybody should have a gun.
In fact, we're going to get her a MAGA cap.
I'm going to send her a MAGA cap.
nick fuentes
Second time he made that one.
donald j trump
I don't think people are buying it.
nick fuentes
Second time we did that joke.
joe rogan
Well, some people are buying it because they want to buy it.
Because it's blue no matter who.
There's a certain percentage of our population that's going to vote Democrat no matter what.
donald j trump
That's true.
joe rogan
They're pressured.
Their community, their ideology, it's left is good, right is evil.
donald j trump
I don't understand why.
Okay, you have...
You know, I built 570 miles of wall.
Everyone said, I built a lot of wall.
Exactly the stuff.
But you have a border.
What I don't understand is, who would want people to come into our country from places unknown, like sometimes they'll say about a fighter, from parts unknown, right?
Remember Haystack's Cajun?
He's from parts.
Those are the oldest.
That's even before you.
But who would want people to come in Pouring into our country.
We don't know anything about it.
joe rogan
But that's...
I want to ask you this.
Why do you think they're doing that?
donald j trump
I think because...
joe rogan
Do you think they're trying to buy votes?
Do you think they just want cheap labor?
Like, what's the idea?
donald j trump
Okay, there's a couple of theories.
They hate our country, they're stupid, or they want to buy votes.
It's one of those three things.
Yeah.
Now, they are trying to get people registered who, you know, don't even know what the country is.
joe rogan
And they're trying to give people amnesty, people that live here.
donald j trump
They want to give them amnesty, they want to give them citizenship, and they want to...
joe rogan
And if you think about the amount of money that they've given them when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits that even our poor people aren't getting.
donald j trump
$200 billion, and that's a way low number.
That's a way low.
You know, it's interesting.
New York has always been like, you know, sort of like always looking for money.
They've spent $100 billion on this stuff.
I don't know where they—and they're not getting the money from the federal government.
It's crazy.
And because the mayor came out and said, we can't live like this.
joe rogan
They investigated him.
donald j trump
By the way, I called it.
I said he just got himself indicted.
This group is stupid, but they're vicious.
They're stupid people, but they're vicious people.
joe rogan
The 2020 elections, you say you have all this evidence that it was rigged.
Why haven't you put this evidence in a consumable form?
donald j trump
Oh, I did.
I have books on it.
And by the way, books have been written on it.
We have an author named Hemingway, who is a great writer.
She wrote a book on it, but many books have been written on it.
There are books that are...
What's happened is judges don't want to touch it.
They would say you don't have standing.
They didn't rule on the merits.
The merits never got there.
The judges didn't have what it took to turn over an election.
joe rogan
Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud.
One of them is mail-in ballots.
The other one is if someone can break into voting machines, if someone can hack voting machines.
Those are two huge ones.
donald j trump
Elon Musk, I think he said it publicly.
I hope he did because I wouldn't want to be the winner, but he's a really smart guy.
And he's a very good guy with computers, right?
He's one of the smartest people alive.
Anybody that can land that 20-story building and perfect and...
joe rogan
While he's doing Starlink, while he's doing Tesla, while he owns Twitter.
donald j trump
And then he agrees to Starlink.
joe rogan
And tweets 100 times a day.
donald j trump
He's an amazing guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald j trump
He said to me...
That unless you have paper ballots, it can never be an honest election.
That's a big statement.
joe rogan
That's a big statement.
donald j trump
We should go to paper ballots.
You know, France did.
They went to mail-in voting and it was all messed up.
What can be done?
You know the amazing thing with the machines?
So we have the machines.
They cost 10 times more.
A paper ballot would cost 8%.
And they make paper ballots.
They're all watermarked and everything else.
They're very sophisticated.
But if you take a look, paper ballots, 8% the cost.
And you're done by 9 o'clock in the evening, right?
Now we have the sophisticated machine.
It goes up to heaven.
It goes all over the place and down and around.
And they say, we'll need two weeks to figure out who the hell won the election.
joe rogan
Do you think that's by design?
donald j trump
Yeah, I do.
I think it's very crooked.
That's my opinion.
joe rogan
You're allowed to have an opinion.
Let's say you win in November.
What can be done to mitigate these problems?
What could be done at the level that the president has power?
donald j trump
Well, if I win, this will be my last election.
But I think I owe it to the country.
Yeah.
But I think I owe it to the country.
We have to have fair elections.
joe rogan
So how can you fix that?
donald j trump
You know, Jimmy Carter was in charge of a commission, you know, many years ago.
It's the Dodge.
nick fuentes
It's not the weave, it's the Dodge.
How can we fix it?
unidentified
You know, Jimmy Carter, how can we fix it?
nick fuentes
Well, we need fair elections.
donald j trump
Yeah, how?
Because if it's a mail-in ballot...
nick fuentes
That's a real weave, all right.
donald j trump
It's fucking Dodge.
It's a duck.
nick fuentes
It's a duck in weave.
donald j trump
And they know me.
They say, Mr.
President, could I see your identification?
Boom, here's this, here's that, everything.
And then you sit and they watch you sign.
There's not a lot you can do.
I mean, if you wanted to be dishonest, it's sort of beautiful.
If instead of that, I'm going to send them a ballot, it has to go through the postal services.
It has to go through a lot of people.
They mail you houses that, you know, the house was demolished and the people have left.
It's so bad.
The one thing with Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong commission.
No mail-in ballots.
And we're the only one that does elections this way anymore.
They've gotten away from it.
joe rogan
And this is a...
It ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to be like soldiers serving overseas.
donald j trump
They used COVID to cheat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail-in ballot.
Another thing that they...
donald j trump
But they used COVID to cheat.
joe rogan
But here's another one.
donald j trump
And the last election was a little bit of a...
You couldn't even get security guys.
Big, strong guys to watch.
You know what?
You'd call them.
They'd call them.
They were afraid to go out.
You know, we were in the middle of COVID. We were in the middle of COVID, right smack in the middle.
And they didn't want to die.
You know, they didn't want to catch it.
It was like, in a way, it was like a ghost town.
And the whole thing, but mail-in ballots are a bad thing.
joe rogan
That certainly is a problem.
Mail-in ballots are a problem.
Another problem is voter ID. Voter ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing.
donald j trump
Because they want to cheat.
joe rogan
Well, it doesn't make sense any other way.
I've tried to strawman it, or I've tried to steelman it, rather.
I've tried to, like, look at it from a position, like, why would you not want people to have ID? And a lot of the ideas are just ridiculous.
You need an ID to get a driver's license.
donald j trump
Okay, but here's now the next step.
Gavin Newsom, one of the worst governors in the world, and I used to, frankly, I used to get along, but I don't get along with him now, because he's just too, you know, it's just a whole con job.
But Gavin Newsom...
The other day signed a bill that you are not allowed to ask a person, even ask them whether or not they have a voter ID. Now what could be a charitable reason why anybody would want that?
joe rogan
That would be the only thing that makes sense.
donald j trump
But that's taking it to the next level.
joe rogan
Right.
donald j trump
Now, you know, you have ID. The Democrat National Convention, when they had it the last time, I saw...
They had a sign, like a billboard, or the name of the person, where they live, how they live, who the hell their boyfriends are.
Every single...
And a big picture, that's for their...
They have an ID, a big ID. It was hanging like you were a prisoner.
They had these massive cards, everything.
And yet, when it comes to the vote, in theory, the most important thing we do, okay?
When you go to a grocery store, you give ID. But for a vote, it's supposed to be a sacred thing, and it should be a sacred thing.
No voter ID because they want to cheat.
joe rogan
Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way.
I've tried to look at it.
There's no other way.
There's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense.
Why?
donald j trump
You know the funny thing, Joe?
The Democrats, the people, they all think you should have it.
joe rogan
Oh, like Costco, yes.
donald j trump
If you go to the people, Mrs.
Schwartz, Mrs.
Smith, Mr.
and Mrs.
Jones, they say, of course, yeah.
Democrats, they say yes.
It's the politicians that don't want it, like Schumer and these guys.
They don't want it because they want to be able to cheat.
Because you know what?
If they didn't have it, okay, who is going to vote for somebody that wants open borders?
Who's going to vote for somebody that wants to have men playing in women's sports?
You know, I have never had one person come up to me and say, President, you've got to do something to allow men to play in women's sports.
Have you ever?
Just like I've never been called by a pollster.
I told you my little theory on pollsters, okay?
I'm getting myself in trouble with some of these things, but I don't really care.
Nobody's ever come up to me and said, we want to have men play in women's sports.
And, you know, I had a funny thing at a property I own in California.
I have a woman who's a very good athlete, and she works there as a manager.
And Brian Urlacher, the big Chicago Bears, great player, you know, 10-time All-Star, I guess, Hall of Famer, great guy, big, strong guy.
And she said, oh, he's one of my favorite athletes.
Can I have a picture?
And I took a picture and I sent it.
And I noticed she was the size of his leg.
His leg was bigger than she was.
And I put it out.
Should men play in women's?
It was just so ridiculous.
joe rogan
What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's promoted by the left?
donald j trump
But who wants it?
Now, unless you're going to cheat in elections, you're never going to get it.
Nobody wants it.
I don't think anybody wants it.
I've been told everything.
Some people want this...
I don't know of anybody that wants open borders.
Nobody's ever come up to me and said, President, you've got to let the world come into our country.
unidentified
Right.
donald j trump
Now, if they won, so they have 21 million, I think it's much higher.
nick fuentes
I've got to go pee actually.
donald j trump
I'll be right back.
And the other thing you have is human traffickers.
You have traffickers and they traffic in women.
And they're going wild now.
We used to, you know, we have to look the trunk of cars.
Can you believe it?
They put women in trunks.
They'll put three women in a trunk.
These people are savages.
They're horrible.
The worst people.
And they're making, the kind of money they make on drugs, they're almost making on trafficking now.
And the thing that's made it hot is the internet.
That's what, you know, you think of it almost as an ancient thing, but it's the internet.
But who would want to have these things?
Who would want to have, there's so many, the transgender operations, where they're allowed to take your child, When he goes to school and turn them into a male, to a female, without parental consent.
Who wants this?
Does anybody want this?
I've never heard of anyone.
And I can go into 10 different things.
The only way they get them is by no voter ID. You can't have voter ID. They don't want any.
They want to cheat.
There's only one reason because the voter ID is so basic.
It's the most basic thing.
joe rogan
It's very basic.
donald j trump
Who would want this?
They want it so they can cheat because their policies are no good.
I'll tell you, they're very smart when it comes to that.
They're very smart, although they're not smart in terms of politics, in a way, because what do they have that people want?
They really don't have...
They give away a lot of healthcare, a lot of stuff, but for the most part, their policies are terrible.
Their policy on military...
She's running on a tax hike.
She's going to raise your taxes.
You got to hear this.
We are going to raise your taxes, and the people clap.
But who is going to win with...
All my life I grew up with politicians, lower taxes.
She's politicking that we are going to raise your taxes.
joe rogan
Well, the idea is you want to raise the taxes to the highest earners.
donald j trump
I know, but it really doesn't work that way.
joe rogan
They think that millionaires and billionaires are not paying their fair shares.
donald j trump
But it doesn't work that way.
joe rogan
Well, it's a narrative, right?
And it's a narrative that appeals to people that are not doing well.
And they're like, yeah, our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.
donald j trump
Well, the problem is that the rich people are going to leave, and they're going to close up their companies, and then the other people aren't going to have jobs.
You know, that's what happens.
joe rogan
It does happen in other countries.
donald j trump
But the whole—because you brought it up.
I'll tell you what, we just— He's doing a very good job in Virginia.
Glenn Youngkin.
I don't know if you like him or not like him.
joe rogan
I don't know him.
donald j trump
Oh, you don't know him?
The governor of Virginia?
So we have a case where they found thousands of illegal ballots.
A judge just ruled that they have to be able to vote.
It just happened today.
Just before I walked in here, I heard.
A judge just ruled that you have to keep those people in.
They're illegal.
They're illegal votes.
Now, I think they'll be overturned at the next court.
One thing I found, because I had a couple of things that they get overturned a little bit, you know, the system.
Because the system, you have to hope, That the appellate judges are honest.
Otherwise, we don't have a country anymore.
It's very important.
But the whole thing with the legal ballots, it's got to be looked at.
You have to have voter ID and you have to have additional ID. You have to have an ID that shows that you're a citizen of the country.
joe rogan
I agree.
donald j trump
They don't want that either.
joe rogan
I agree.
One of the things that I want to talk to you about is the JFK files.
One of the things that you said was that if they showed you what they showed me, this is your quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either.
donald j trump
So, I opened them up, partially.
I was met with, from good people.
I mean, you know, look, I mean, good people.
People that were well-meaning.
Mike Pompeo was one of them.
He's a good person.
They called me, they said, sir, I would rather, have you not?
And I did open them.
But I was asked by some people not to open them.
There's a Martin Luther King file, too, by the way, that they'd like to see.
I don't know if you know, but there is that.
But JFK in particular.
So...
They called me.
A lot of good people called me.
People that you would find reasonable people.
nick fuentes
He got the call.
donald j trump
And they asked me not to do it.
So I said, well, we'll close it for another time.
But if I win, I'm going to open them up.
I'm just going to open it.
joe rogan
Why didn't you open it up the first time?
What was the hesitation?
donald j trump
Because a lot of times, addresses, people that are still living, there are people that are affected.
And there could be some national security reason that I don't have to necessarily know about.
But some very good, talented people asked me not to do it.
I opened it up, and then they said, would it be possible for us to do that a different day?
joe rogan
How much of it did you read into?
nick fuentes
The Israelis.
donald j trump
I think it's going to be just fine to open it.
Let me put it that way.
I think it's fine.
It's going to be time.
It's a cleansing.
You know, it's really a cleansing.
So I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.
joe rogan
Well, the thing, when people look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine what could be a reason why they would not release those files, it would be there's people that were implicated in the assassination.
donald j trump
Well, when there are living people, you generally tend not to want to do it.
When people are still living.
joe rogan
Living people that formerly worked for the government.
donald j trump
For the government and living people that were somehow involved in it.
And you tend not to do that.
But it's time to open them.
I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest.
And I did partially open it.
I think I've opened 50%.
But I was asked not to do it.
And I thought that was a reasonable ask.
But now I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it very soon.
There's a lot of interest in it.
There's a lot of interest in the people coming from space, you know.
joe rogan
Yes.
donald j trump
And I know you're interested.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm very interested in that.
How much do they tell you about that?
donald j trump
A lot.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
What did they tell you?
How much can you tell?
I love that face.
donald j trump
Is it top secret?
joe rogan
Tell me.
donald j trump
Well, based on Hunter Biden, I can say whatever the hell I want, right?
But I interviewed a few people.
It's never been my thing, I have to be honest.
I have never been a believer.
I have people in Area 51 or whatever it is.
I think it's the number one tourist attraction in the whole country or something.
Area 51 in Las Vegas.
Do you know that, right?
Sure.
joe rogan
I know what it is.
donald j trump
So anyway, but it's a big tourist thing.
So I interviewed jet pilots and That say they saw something.
If you saw them, you'd love to have them.
joe rogan
I've had a couple in here.
Commander David Fravor.
I had him in, who had that sighting in 2004.
Very, very compelling with visual video evidence, radar evidence.
nick fuentes
Let the goats be.
joe rogan
Brian Graves.
donald j trump
I don't believe his name, but I interviewed jet pilots that were solid people.
Perfect.
I mean, great pilots, great everything.
And they said, we saw things, sir, that...
We're very strange.
Like a round ball, but it wasn't a comet or a meteor.
It was something.
And it was going four times faster than an F-22, which is a very fast plane, you know.
And it was round, which is, in theory, a great shape.
joe rogan
So when you were talking to these people, was this something that you were compelled to have conversations about?
Was this your personal interest?
donald j trump
A little bit.
It's not a great interest for me, but it's a little interest.
I get that question as much as almost any question.
Do you think that we have aliens coming, you know, flying around or whatever?
joe rogan
What do you think?
donald j trump
There's no reason not to.
I mean, there's no reason not to think that Mars and all these planets don't have life.
joe rogan
Well, Mars, we've had probes there and rovers, and I don't think there's any life there.
donald j trump
Well, maybe it's life that we don't know about.
joe rogan
Well, maybe there was life there at one point in time.
This is a speculation about Mars, that Mars had— Dude, shut up.
unidentified
This guy's the eagle on this guy's crazy.
joe rogan
But we've had no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars.
donald j trump
The universe is pretty vast.
It's not been a big thing for me.
I mean, when I looked at what China did to this, they would have never done it with me, where they put the balloon up.
And a lot of people thought for a little while that that was one of these things.
joe rogan
But that's a lot of the speculation, too, that some of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones, and that they're not UFOs.
donald j trump
They could be also.
joe rogan
They're some super sophisticated.
donald j trump
But I did interview, let's say, three or four guys.
And without tremendous interest, if you had them, as I said, you'd love to have them as your children.
Solid, beautiful people.
They said, sir, there's something there.
You know, they've...
joe rogan
There's something there.
Yeah, I've talked to quite a few of them.
donald j trump
They're not conspiracy guys.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, just the Commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second.
They don't know what it is.
donald j trump
It's tough to beat.
joe rogan
Yeah, they saw something in the water.
It was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the water.
They got video evidence of this thing.
Two different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it.
There's, you know, visual evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence.
Whatever the hell it is, it moves in a way that would turn a human being into Jell-O if you were inside of it.
The G-Force, no one would survive.
So, like, what is that?
It doesn't have a heat signature.
They don't know what their propulsion system was.
donald j trump
When you fly in some of these jets, these pilots have to be in great shape.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I flew with the Blue Angels once.
Yeah, as an example.
donald j trump
And those are older machines.
joe rogan
And they're crazy.
donald j trump
When you fly in some of these things, it's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I can imagine.
donald j trump
You've got to be special.
joe rogan
But these things that these people are encountering are far superior to what we know of.
Is it possible that there's some military or government program that they didn't tell you about?
donald j trump
I think I had a great relationship with the military, basically.
But, you know, I didn't like certain people.
I would have gotten them out if I thought, if I were, if the election was different, I would have fired, you know, all of them quickly.
Most of them I did fire.
Biden should have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan.
He should have had a lot of firings.
You know, if you look at him, he told Israel not to do anything.
At least Israel's not looking at a bomb the way they would have been.
Think if they listened to Biden.
They'd be waiting for a bomb to drop.
Stop weaving!
unidentified
Stop!
Please!
donald j trump
I guess you'd have to say that she's been wrong, too, because, you know, she always said they made the decision together.
But Israel didn't follow his advice.
And I think it was a very, you know, it's a very, the Middle East is rapidly changing.
You know, there are prophets that say the world will come to an end in the Middle East.
You know that, right?
And we have weapons today that are so scary.
When you look, I rebuilt them all.
And when you look at the weapons we have today, the biggest threat we have in the world today is nuclear weapons.
And we have other weapons, too, that are devastating.
But the nuclear weapons, the biggest threat we have in the world today.
I was talking about de-escalation with both China and Russia.
I'm telling you, We were going to de-escalate.
They were going to de-escalate.
Got to be careful.
It's a little tricky playing with them because they said we're going to do it and they don't do it maybe.
But they understood the curse too.
It's a curse.
China's way behind us, but they'll catch us within five years.
joe rogan
So let's imagine, let's say you win in November.
What do you do differently and how do you change this course that it seems we are on for World War III? How do you get us out of Ukraine?
How do you stop what's going on in the Middle East?
How do you put a stop to this?
donald j trump
Well, it's a very — to me, it's an easy question because I think I can do it easily, but it's a complex question in the sense that the times change.
Every day changes.
Who's winning?
Who's not winning?
I mean, Russia's a war machine.
Whether you like it or not, it just grinds along, grinds along.
You speak to people like Viktor Orban.
He'll tell you.
It's just a big, fat war machine.
And that's what's happening.
You look at what's happened to Ukraine.
If I were there, it would have never happened.
joe rogan
But what could you do now?
If you got into office in January, what could you do now?
donald j trump
Right now, you would get both of them.
I know both very well.
And again, I do not want to tell you for the purpose of looking smart to five people that say, oh, he was great.
If I told you exactly what I do, I could never make the deal.
All I can tell you is that I would meet with Putin and I would meet with him, and I know exactly what I'd say to each one of them.
And I believe that as president-elect, I would get that war stopped and stopped fast.
You know, we have tremendous power in the United States if you know how to use the power.
I stopped other wars just by the use of tariffs.
I got Macron of France.
Good guy.
He's like a friend of mine.
But he's a wise guy.
And he's a person that likes France.
And he was going to tax our companies.
And I sent all the smartest guys.
I sent Mnuchin.
They all failed me.
And I said, I do it myself.
And I called him.
I said, Emmanuel, you're taxing American companies.
We're not going to allow you to do that.
Oh, Donald, I cannot do it.
Nothing I can do.
It's already been passed.
I said, Emmanuel, if you do that, I'm going to put 100% tariff on your wines and champagnes that come into the United States.
And you're going to regret that you ever did it.
He said, Donald, please, that's not fair.
Anyway, within about two minutes, he dropped the whole thing.
And it was massive amounts of money.
Against American companies.
I have to protect American companies.
joe rogan
So why doesn't the Biden administration do this?
donald j trump
Because they're incompetent.
They don't know how to talk.
Look, they met in Alaska with the Chinese.
And the Chinese lectured them about how badly we treat people.
Right?
Okay?
I mean, think of it.
You remember that?
They didn't talk to me that way.
They respected me.
They respected our country.
They don't respect our country.
They don't respect Biden.
They don't respect her.
They're dreaming about her because she's incompetent.
She's not a smart person.
Look, she can't put two sentences together.
She talks.
I watched her last night, too.
It was the same thing.
She's not a smart person.
These guys are very smart, and they're very streetwise, and they're very tricky and evil and dangerous.
And if she becomes the President of the United States, which I can't believe can happen, I don't think this country is going to make it.
I don't think we'll ever be...
I think just really bad things will happen to our country.
And you know what?
I look at the outside forces and I say, they can all be handled because we have a pot of gold.
But we're not going to have that pot of gold to play with anymore.
You know, it's a great negotiating thing.
I told you, I knocked out this massive car company going to take all of our car business from Detroit.
I knocked it out just by my rhetoric.
Rhetorically, I said, They'll never sell a car in here.
I'll put tariffs.
I don't care if they're 2,000%.
nick fuentes
And we finish how we started.
donald j trump
They're never going to build that plant.
joe rogan
Is it possible to apply that same thing to the electronics that we use?
One of the things that disturbs me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas.
And the chips.
Yes, and the chips.
And some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn, where they have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because they have so many suicides.
Like, wouldn't it be better to have an American-made iPhone where you know people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're taken care of, they can live a good life, where you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because someone has To suffer in a horrible way that's not even legal in the United States.
It's not even legal to have them work that way in the United States, so they get these people to build them overseas.
donald j trump
You do it, but let me just say, that chip deal is so bad.
We put up billions of dollars for rich companies to come in and borrow the money and build chip companies here, and they're not going to give us the good companies anyway.
All you had to do is charge them tariffs.
If you would have put a tariff on the chips coming in, you would have been able to, just like the auto companies, no different.
More sophisticated, but no different.
You know, Taiwan, they stole our chip business, okay?
They want us to protect, and they want protection.
They don't pay us money for the protection, you know?
The mob makes you pay money, right?
But with these countries that we protect, I got hundreds of billions of dollars from NATO countries that were never paying us.
And my biggest fan is Stoltenberg, who just left as the, you know, Director General, as the Secretary General.
Good guy.
He said, Bush came, he made a speech.
Obama came, he made a speech.
Trump came, he said, you guys aren't paying, you got to pay.
And they said, will you protect us from Russia if we don't?
I said, no, you got to pay if you don't pay.
Billions of dollars came in to NATO. When I see us paying a lot of money to have people build the chip, that's not the way.
You didn't have to put up 10 cents.
You could have done it with a series of tariffs.
In other words, you tariff it so high that they will come and build their chip companies for nothing.
In other words, Joe, you put a big tariff on the chips coming in.
I say, you don't have to pay the tariff.
All you have to do is build your plant in the United States.
We didn't have to give them the money to build the plant.
Besides that, they're very rich companies, these chip companies.
They stole 95% of our business.
It's in Taiwan right now.
They do a great job.
But that's only because we have stupid politicians.
We lost the chip business.
And now we think we're going to pay.
You can't build it that way.
You have to make them spend their money in the United States.
And those plants would open up all over.
And they'll fund them.
We don't have to put up 10 cents.
And I am in the process of making a huge speech in about a little while.
And you and I, how long have we been talking?
joe rogan
A long time.
donald j trump
Let's go.
joe rogan
Probably like three hours.
donald j trump
I've got to make a speech.
But we'll do it again.
I want to do it again with you.
You are something.
Thank you very much.
I said, how long will this last?
Anywhere from an hour to three or four hours?
joe rogan
How long will we do, Jamie?
Three hours.
donald j trump
Good.
Well, we'll do it again.
I thought it was great.
I think it was great.
unidentified
It was a lot of fun.
donald j trump
You are a fascinating guy, and you've done a great job.
joe rogan
Thank you very much.
donald j trump
I'm a big fan, and thank you very much.
It's been an honor.
joe rogan
It's been an honor to have you on as well.
donald j trump
I'm going to make a great speech, and I'm going to say, and if I'm a little off tonight, I'm going to blame you.
I spoke to this guy for three hours.
Anyway, it's a great honor to be with you.
joe rogan
Thank you, sir.
donald j trump
Thank you.
joe rogan
Good luck to you.
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Appreciate it.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
unidentified
All right.
Okay, I'll...
All right.
nick fuentes
Wow.
That was great, wasn't it?
unidentified
Oh, hey, look at this.
nick fuentes
Greatest story ever told.
I'm really more interested in the greatest story that was never told.
All right.
Oh, we got Beyonce.
unidentified
They'd rather give you a song than die.
Many of y'all probably know where you were on J. We got here.
michelle malkin
A new song.
nick fuentes
That's crazy.
unidentified
Okay.
nick fuentes
Wow, that was long.
That was a really long podcast.
It wasn't even that good.
Yeah, guys.
I don't know.
He just doesn't have it anymore.
Don't get me wrong.
I like Trump.
I like Trump.
I think he's amusing.
He just doesn't have it anymore.
I'll show you.
There was an interview he did in Chicago back in like 2015.
He was so different.
He was so much more on top of it.
You could arrange this on This was nine years ago.
donald j trump
Then he called me about two, three weeks ago and said, could you come to my concert?
I'm going to be in Jones Beach.
unidentified
And I said, yeah, I'll think about it if I can.
I mean, I don't know, but if I can, I will.
And that was it.
And then just as background, you know, we had about ten songs.
We had background music, right?
donald j trump
That you get by paying a small stipend.
unidentified
They actually have this thing nowadays.
donald j trump
You pay this thing and you get all these songs.
And so one of the songs was his and I put it on, just again, background as I'm coming in, along with other great entertainers.
And all of a sudden his manager really started it.
It was more the manager than anybody else.
He saw an opportunity.
unidentified
So I hit back.
I mean, I told him the story that he came up asking me for money, which made him look like a hypocrite.
Yeah, he had to stop using it.
No, they said, please don't use the song.
donald j trump
And I said, no problem.
unidentified
But then all of a sudden he went out to the press with it, you know, to get a little free publicity on my back.
donald j trump
So I didn't use it.
And I don't even care that much for the song.
unidentified
I mean, it's not the greatest.
I like some of the other songs much better.
donald j trump
But I didn't use it.
But I won't be going to Jones Beach.
Let me put it that way.
And, you know, other things.
unidentified
Univision.
donald j trump
Nobody had a problem.
You know, I got rave reviews for my speech.
nick fuentes
He was just so much.
He was faster, sharper, quicker.
He sounds tired these days.
It's slow.
It's rambly.
It's repetitive.
Just a different guy.
And you know, look, it is what it is.
I mean, he's an old man now.
He's like 80-some years old.
How old is he?
He was born in 46.
So what does that make him, 78?
So, I mean, he's obviously a much older guy.
I just wish people would admit the truth.
I just wish people, you have people on Twitter that are saying, no, no, this is awesome.
No, this is great.
Oh, he's never been better.
He's at his finest.
No, he's not at his finest.
He was way better 10 years ago.
And it's fine, but that's just true.
But anyway, so it is funny.
It's funny to see him and Joe Rogan bro out because the one thing that remains true about Trump is he's a typical guy.
He's just like a guy's guy.
He just loves stuff.
Loves logistics.
That's why he's a good businessman because he's like a nerd.
He doesn't like policy, but he likes stuff.
That's why he's not a good politician because he actually doesn't like...
Legalese.
He doesn't like policies.
Not a wonk.
But he's more like a nerd.
Because he loves, like when he started talking about the nuclear plants and he got into concrete, he loves to talk about stuff.
Loves to talk about rocket ships, power plants, deals.
Loves to talk about military hardware stuff.
So he does love to talk about stuff.
And I admire that, because that's such a masculine attribute.
And so I think he's still a very sharp guy, very smart.
But he's just slower.
He's not as sharp as he used to be.
And the rambling is real.
He's rebranded that to a weave.
He says, oh, I'm weaving a story together with different parts.
I think he is rambling, right?
And that's something that comes with age.
We all know.
We all have grandparents.
You know how that goes.
They get a little older and then they lose themselves.
Their brain is shrinking.
Once you hit the age of 60, 70, your brain starts dramatically shrinking.
That's just real.
And I don't say that.
I'm not anti-Trump, but...
He's slower.
And so it's a little painful going through three hours.
I mean, so much of the content, it's just the same content.
And interrupting Joe, it's not even like a real conversation.
It's like a weird, not a real conversation.
donald j trump
But we'll read some of the Super Chats.
We don't have a ton.
But we have illegals pouring into the country and we don't even know.
So, Bruce, I mean, that's all I say.
And now people are saying, you know, Trump is right.
And there's now been some articles that actually Trump has turned out to be right.
And rather than just sitting back and taking that from Univision, you know, it's one of those things.
Now, over the next short period of time, I'll be suing Univision.
Over the next week or two, or maybe sooner, I'll be suing Univision.
So I have a contract where they pay me a lot of money over a five-year period.
They just said...
And very apologetically.
And then you had one of the top people in the division put a picture of me with the horrible human being that killed the people in South Carolina.
And I said, that doesn't work.
They then took that picture down and they apologized to me profusely.
And I didn't accept their apology, but that's okay.
streamlabs matthew tts
Why do you want to be president?
donald j trump
Because I can make the country great again.
The country is run by people that, in my opinion, I know you're from the area.
unidentified
But I'm from the area, too.
donald j trump
You're going to have a big investment here.
nick fuentes
He was funnier, too.
He was so much funnier, I feel like.
This is Chicago.
You're from the area.
donald j trump
And I'm not just blaming Obama.
I mean, you know, it goes on all sides.
Some of the Republican leaders aren't exactly stellar either.
But I would make the country great again.
I would take back our jobs.
I'd take back our manufacturing.
I would take back things that nobody's even talking about.
There's not one other candidate, Bruce, that's talking about what I'm talking about.
Today, I don't know if you saw that China just lowered their interest rate.
Well, what they're doing is they're weakening.
You know, by doing that, they're going to be a quarter of a point.
That's a lot.
Just announced a little while ago.
unidentified
Excuse me?
You throw out a lot of issues, a lot of ideas, and then where's the how?
The idea that I'm going to take down ISIS, I've got a plan, I'm not going to tell you what the plan is.
donald j trump
Well, I did say the plan.
I would rather not say the plan, because, you know, honestly...
unidentified
But what is it?
streamlabs matthew tts
Oh, I gave the plan, actually.
donald j trump
But I'll say it now.
ISIS is very rich.
ISIS is tremendously rich and powerful because they have a lot of money.
You know where they get their money from?
A lot of it is from the oil, because they took the oil.
They took a lot of the oil.
That I said, by the way, when we left Iraq...
I said you shouldn't go into Iraq.
In Reuters, in 2004...
Headline article, Trump, don't go into Iraq, you're going to destabilize the Middle East.
Everything I said in that article was right.
We're going to lose the oil and Iran will take over the Middle East.
Everything I said in that article was right.
I should be given credit for that.
I'm not given credit by the press.
unidentified
You know, with me it's like pulling teeth.
donald j trump
Other people, you know, as an example, I'll give you an example.
unidentified
I love that.
donald j trump
I have been saying for about two years, somebody running for president, and I say it somewhat jokingly, but I say somebody running for president shouldn't be using teleprompters.
Because I don't use teleprompters.
Teleprompters are very easy.
You know, you read a speech.
So Christie's running tomorrow.
I guess he's going to be announced.
And he made a statement, and I'm not using a teleprompter.
I've been saying the same thing for two years.
Nobody's ever picked me up on that.
He says it once, and it's a big story.
Christie's not using a teleprompter.
So, you know, I think the press...
It's very interesting.
unidentified
I went to...
Do you want to tell us your ISIS plan?
donald j trump
Yes, I will.
Knock out the oil.
Blast the hell.
Take the oil away from him.
Blast the hell out of it.
And by the way, you can rebuild that infrastructure very quickly.
ExxonMobil and these companies.
nick fuentes
I feel like he was so much sharper, so much more on the ball that...
Back when he started.
But this was before everything.
This was 10 years ago.
This was shortly after he announced.
So it's before the whole journey.
Not only did he age 10 years, but he also went through the presidency, the campaign, everything.
You know, the assassination, indictments, impeachments, everything like that.
But anyway, so I just I don't enjoy the podcast and the podcast when they're not adversarial.
They're just all the same.
Every single podcast is exactly the same.
Like when they're not challenging him, when they're not pushing back in any way, you do just get railroaded with the same answers and the same stories, same everything.
So like the only good interview that he did recently was the National Association of Black Journalists.
That was the most entertaining one.
And I think people said Andrew Schultz was good, too, but I didn't watch that.
So, anyway, those are my thoughts on it.
Pretty mediocre.
Like I said, Monday I'm going to be doing, we'll cover the Israeli strikes.
It don't seem like they were that big of a deal.
It says that they hit 20 targets, they bombed Tikrit in Iraq, and they bombed Syria as well.
But Monday, I'll be going into all of that.
Maybe by then we'll even see an Iranian counter-attack.
But it's casual Friday.
I figured we'll watch the Joe Rogan interview.
Everybody wants me to do it.
So we covered Joe Rogan.
Kind of a hard watch, I'm not going to lie.
Kind of a tough watch, but that's okay.
Alright, so we'll take a look at our Super Chats.
streamlabs matthew tts
We'll see what we got here.
The good old days when you would make jokes about getting a monkey and super chats were read by you rather than a bot.
Now it's just black pill after black pill.
nick fuentes
Yeah, well, I don't miss that at all.
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God bless for bringing this to light.
Heading to Sidavaticanist Mass Sunday, let's go.
You got real America behind you.
nick fuentes
I'll be doing that.
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My kids just said get off your phone.
Folded hands.
nick fuentes
Well, thank you, man.
I appreciate it.
Don't be going to Sede Vacantis.
Go to regular.
Go to a real—not regular.
Go to a real Catholic Mass.
You go to Sede Vacantis Mass, you're going to hell.
I hate to tell you that.
So you got to go to a real Catholic Mass.
No Sede's.
None of this empty chair.
Chair is full.
Pope Francis is sitting in it, and he just put out a great encyclical yesterday.
But I appreciate the super chat.
It's true.
It's true.
Even five years ago, you couldn't talk about this stuff.
Even five years ago, you'd get banned on social media, and I was far more ostracized.
I'm still ostracized now, but it's catching on ever since Ye 24, ever since the war in Gaza.
Seems like it's become a lot more acceptable to talk about the Jewish issue, the race issue as well, just in the past couple of years, but...
I appreciate the super chat.
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Glad you liked the show.
What's your point?
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Mmm.
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nick fuentes
Hey.
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Nick, you gave a fantastic sermon in your kickstream the other night.
If you ever get tired of politics, you'd have an incredible career leading a church or as a motivational speaker.
You're national treasure and a true American underdog.
Wishing you and your family long and healthy lives.
Enjoy your weekend and God bless, brother.
nick fuentes
Thank you for the big super chat, man.
God bless.
I wish you the same, and I hope you enjoy your weekend.
Yeah, I don't know if I could ever be a priest or anything like that.
I think I'm too...
I don't know if I'm good enough for that, but...
Motivational speaker, that's so canned, you know?
I mean, I'm someone who's very good at something who happens to be good at talking about that stuff because I'm passionate, because I'm just talking about my life, you know?
That's just me talking about life, but...
I appreciate the big super chat, man.
God bless you, buddy.
Yeah, maybe.
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Maybe.
streamlabs matthew tts
I turned 18 years old.
I have been watching the show since I was 13.
I found your Zoom debate videos on YouTube while playing Fortnite.
Now I am going off to university, and I am on my way to becoming a lawyer.
I just wanted to thank you.
nick fuentes
Wow.
streamlabs matthew tts
Because I think nobody gives you the credit you deserve for always standing by the grow ibers.
You are a great man.
nick fuentes
Well, thank you for the big super chat.
Happy birthday!
We got a birthday in the chat.
Well, I hope you had a good birthday.
Hope you enjoyed.
Wow, you started watching when you were 13.
You're making me feel really old.
unidentified
I started this show when I was your age.
nick fuentes
I get to say that now that I'm an old man.
I started this show when I was your age.
That's when I got started.
Actually, when I was 18, now I'm 26.
I've been doing this almost eight years, so I appreciate the super chat, man.
Good luck to you when you go to college.
Stay focused, because when you go to college, that's when you're really tested.
When you turn 18, that's when the regression to the mean actually occurs, and that's when people usually rise and fall, in my experience.
I know a lot of people that fell off after high school.
Because that's when these genetic behaviors start to express.
So good luck.
Hope you have a good birthday.
I appreciate the super check.
Glad you loved the show.
Hope you're enjoying Fortnite and everything.
18, huh?
You have your whole life ahead of you.
To be 18 again.
No, actually, the really good years were like 15 to 18.
Those were like, I feel like those were the best years.
These are good years too.
I would say, notwithstanding all of the political persecution, everything like that, I would say my 20s has been the best.
Because when you're in your 20s, you can do whatever you want.
When you're a teenager, you still have to put up with your parents.
And I love my parents, but I was always fighting with them and they were always giving me a hard time.
So, if you're responsible, your 20s are the...
I feel like that's the best time, but...
unidentified
I'm biased because I'm in my 20s, but...
nick fuentes
Anyway, I hope you have a good birthday.
Thank you for the super chat.
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nick fuentes
I didn't know that you're telling me.
Oh, the Schofield Bible.
streamlabs matthew tts
I didn't know that you're telling me for the first time.
Yeah, I think racism exists.
nick fuentes
I do, but I also think that you do, you are the beneficiary of affirmative action.
So I think it's more than balanced out.
I think that, you know, when people say they're stereotyping, they're stereotyping about every people.
They're stereotyping about people based on non-racial characteristics.
So if you want to complain about racism, let's just talk about human beings.
Let's just talk about difference in general.
Yeah, there's white people and black people.
There's ugly people and handsome people.
There's smart people and dumb people.
So stereotyping prejudice, those just exist.
But is racism efficient?
Is it actionable?
No, I don't think so.
I don't think that's even the case anymore.
It's not legal, practically.
And there are institutional, basically anti or counter or reverse racist policies.
There's affirmative action in college.
There's affirmative action in hiring.
And there's a whole culture.
Where, and this has only just changed recently, if you are considered racist, you get exposed.
If you get a person saying the N-word on video, you could get them thrown out of school or fired from their job and their life destroyed.
So, you know, to the extent that there is still, you know, people getting...
Treated differently, I think, you know, we're doing maybe too much even as a society.
So, that's just life not being fair.
It's like me having light skin.
I have light skin.
And people, like on the debate I did with Aiden Ross, they say, well, your ancestors owned slaves.
People called me my whole life a trust fund kid just because I'm white and successful.
My whole life, people say, you're a trust fund kid.
My parents were poor.
My parents were poor.
Neither of them went to college.
I grew up poor, basically.
You know, I've told stories on the show before.
I mean, we, my mom, she tells me the story.
One time we were kids, we went to a friend's house, and she wanted to treat herself and buy a cup of coffee.
She literally couldn't afford it.
She had a spare change together to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks, and I think she left it at home.
She forgot it or something.
She couldn't afford a cup of coffee.
I mean, that's like, we were living paycheck to paycheck my entire life.
And so, you know, but that's a stereotype.
And because I had a Mexican last name, I was also a victim of racism growing up, too.
People used to make fun of me when I was in elementary school because I had a mustache.
I had a mustache since I was in kindergarten.
People made fun of me for that.
People made fun of my last name.
And when I was in Model UN in high school...
They told me when I got older, when I was a freshman, some of the upperclassmen told me when I got older, we got to know each other better.
They gave me a shitty assignment because they thought I was some Mexican kid.
So I got it up both ways, but that's just life.
I'm not complaining.
I'm just saying that's life.
That's life.
In life, you will be treated according to your physical characteristics.
You know, people used to make fun of me in high school for being short.
I didn't even know I was short.
You know, when I was much younger, I was a bigger kid because I hit puberty early, so I was one of the bigger kids.
And then by the time I was a junior or senior in high school, I was like, you know, I'm like 5'9".
People would say, oh, you're too short.
And I was like, what are you talking about?
I didn't even really know that I wasn't tall until later because when I was growing up, I was one of the taller guys.
It wasn't until everybody else caught up that I was like, oh, I didn't even know I'm not that tall.
So, you know, that's just life.
But, um...
Yeah, so you can't...
Don't fucking complain.
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nick fuentes
Is that why?
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Thoughts on Bricks Summit in Kazan?
Is Bricks Pazar Nicholas II's revenge on the Bolsheviks?
nick fuentes
That's the stupidest.
The second part is just a really dumb question.
I don't really have a lot of thoughts on it.
They say they're introducing an alternative payment system.
143 countries have signed up for it.
I think a lot of that's overblown.
I don't think the dollar will be replaced anytime soon as a reserve currency.
And only because, you know, what would replace the dollar?
The Chinese yuan.
I mean, the Chinese yuan isn't even – there's really like two currencies.
They have a currency that they use for international payments.
They have a currency they use for domestic payments.
And if they were to use the yuan as an alternative to the dollar on the global system, it would involve a lot of transparency in their monetary policy, which I don't think they're prepared to do.
And they could manipulate their currency to get trade benefits, which is something that they also rely on.
So, you know, what currency would replace it that's reliable like the dollar?
Certainly, I think the dollar is—it's been weakened by the use of sanctions.
But I don't think it's going to—it will be replaced, I think, eventually, but not anytime soon.
So we'll see how that develops.
But I mean, the real headline is China and Russia coming together because it's Russia's military technology and military strength and it's China's economy.
And that's the real threat.
And when you look at the members of BRICS, they do have all the middle powers.
It's Russia and China.
I mean, they are what you would technically call rising powers, but they're really in a different category.
But Russia and China, taken together, represent 50% of the world's firepower.
China now has the largest navy and will soon have a navy that's a quarter bigger than ours in like five or ten years.
But then they also have all the middle powers because then you also have Brazil, India, South Africa.
And they also have allegiance of a lot of the East African and West African countries, Central African countries because of Belt and Road.
Some of the Middle Eastern and even Latin American countries are drifting away from the United States, countries like Brazil and Argentina.
And basically every South American country that is on the Pacific, on the western coast of South America, has a huge amount of trade with China.
And they no longer recognize Taiwan.
They now recognize China.
So, you know, the major middle powers like Indonesia, Thailand, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, a lot of them are drifting away from the United States and towards China.
And so, you know, I think the alignment is certainly going to change over time.
But, and Bricks is a huge part of that.
So I don't think it's anything.
It's not really anything right now, but as time goes on, it's only going to get more significant.
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I'm barely conscious off painkillers and I'm swollen like a balloon.
But I've been watching you since 2019 and I'm not stopping now.
Nurses are getting tired of Through the Wire.
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Fuck em.
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God bless you, Nick.
Also shout out Big Meech, my best you pilled Mexican brother.
Christ is King.
nick fuentes
Thanks, buddy.
God bless.
I hope you recover.
That's funny.
You're playing Through the Wire.
That's pretty good.
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nick fuentes
Thank you for that.
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nick fuentes
Yeah, some of his fans said that about me.
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A few months later he got bullied by Muslims for joking about them.
Lil Bro is the eternal punching bag.
nick fuentes
I'm not attacking him personally.
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I love Sneeko.
Thank you.
I don't remember that.
nick fuentes
Yeah, he's still a hero.
But I don't know.
I don't look at him right now and, you know, I don't really emulate him as a role model at this point.
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nick fuentes
He does.
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Harold flight sent $10 just discovered the chivalta catalica.
Every grotper should be posting this to expose these heaps.
It's simple for the normies to understand and should be effective to let the hate grow.
nick fuentes
Is that is there a lot of anti-Semitic arguments in there or something?
I don't know anything about that.
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Wayne Benedict sent $5.
Today Satanists defiled the body of our Lord Jesus in a black mass in Atlanta.
Let us offer prayers, fasting, and good works for this travesty against Jesus Christ in the most holy Eucharist.
nick fuentes
Yeah, I saw Pinesat posting about that.
It's terrible.
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Sabian sent $5.
Can you do the arm thing?
nick fuentes
I don't know what that is.
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Jordan Jones sent $64.
$200 a month club.
Rest of money went to buying all three hats.
07.
nick fuentes
Well, thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
We almost have them.
I think, like I said, we're going to get them either end of this month or middle of November.
So I apologize for taking so long, but it's the company that makes the MAGA hats.
So they're in huge demand right now.
But we'll have them soon.
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Pretty Fly White Guy sent $5.
$425.
Have a great weekend.
nick fuentes
Thank you.
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Kayak Griper sent $5.
Trump is literally 0% red pill.
nick fuentes
No, he's like 10% red pill.
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Raskolnikov Molidae sent $20.
Who let bro weave damn it?
Nick let him cook.
nick fuentes
No, no one should let him.
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Don't weave.
Don't weave.
Well, this is real, so...
For real?
nick fuentes
Well, yeah.
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Trill.
Based crochet are sent $50, greater than Israel committing unimaginable scenes of horror overseas, unseating our elected officials, bombing Iran, Putin and Xi Jinping meeting with Pishkin, drills in the Red Sea.
Gee guys the vibrations from the windmill farms are causing whales to wash up on shore and conservatives are the rebels.
Nick, not even Urcharm could have made this bearable.
See?
nick fuentes
I know it was a pretty tough watch, but I appreciate the super chat.
Yeah, I wish it was some more interesting stuff they're talking about.
Climate change and election fraud.
streamlabs matthew tts
Why not talk about war?
nick fuentes
Immigration.
streamlabs matthew tts
Thanks for this.
I would have never been able to listen to this podcast without you.
nick fuentes
I was barely able to, and not me.
streamlabs matthew tts
No, it's different.
Completely different.
It wasn't the most riveting interview, but if you're a 16 Trump fan, you've probably had to watch JRE2 and you've been waiting for this show for eight years and you have to appreciate that.
It came four years late and it showed.
There's nothing he can red pill us on anymore.
The politics are stagnant.
He can still make me laugh.
nick fuentes
Yeah, it's true.
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Never.
nick fuentes
He's going to beat me up.
streamlabs matthew tts
He probably still is, and that's, you know, it's not working.
I know.
nick fuentes
Thank you for the huge...
Dude, what's going on?
Dalton Moneybags?
Dalton Moneyfelter?
Damn!
unidentified
Yo!
nick fuentes
Thank you for the dude!
This guy's been dropping $100 every stream.
Dalton must be rich.
Dalton must be rich.
That Jew must be seething.
That Jew that hates you.
What's his name again?
I don't even remember.
That guy's got to be seething right now.
Thank you for the huge super chat.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, it is sad.
streamlabs matthew tts
I wish it was cooler.
nick fuentes
We're finally coming down.
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and save the super chat for a commentary stream.
If you're up to the challenge, name all the 50 US states in alphabetical order.
- This isn't a commentary stream. - But if you're really up to the challenge, name all the 50 US states in alphabetical order in their respective capitals.
Only the first letters matter.
Good luck.
nick fuentes
I believe in you, winking face. - This isn't a commentary stream.
This is a show where we're reviewing a real commentary stream.
But thank you for the big super chat.
I appreciate it because if I do it, I'll do it on an actual thing.
I'm not going to just list it.
I'll do it on a map game deal.
But I appreciate the big super chat.
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Bob Loblaw sent $5.
Limit testing to see if only minimum a $5 super chat get read.
What's something about theology you'd like to educate yourself on?
nick fuentes
It is minimum $5.
I don't know all of it.
I don't know a lot about theology.
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Jesus first sent $5.
Tsar Nicholas II put up 88% of the capital requirements for the U.S. Federal Reserve in gold for a 4% dividend.
He was murdered after that.
Bolsheviks removed the 4% dividend.
Thank you.
nick fuentes
Yeah, Charleston White, I'll be appointing him Secretary of Them Niggas.
Secretary of Them Niggas, Charleston White, Secretary White.
Okay, that's our last super chat.
donald j trump
Our companies can't compete.
And by the way, I'm not only talking about China.
Recently, I ordered 4,000 television sets.
4,000 for a big job I'm doing, right?
So I buy 4,000 sets.
And I buy many, many sets.
I buy many things.
And I price it out.
Every bid is from South Korea.
Every bid.
I gave it to Samsung.
unidentified
And LG. But I buy a lot of LG. I buy a lot of that.
donald j trump
Believe it or not, Sony's not doing so well.
That's Japan.
That's another competitor.
But Sony has lost its way.
They had a lot of bad leadership, probably.
Who knows?
Because they used to have a brand that you'd pay more for.
Now you don't pay more for it.
nick fuentes
He loves stuff.
He knows everything about stuff.
I love that.
Okay, that's our last Super Chat.
That's going to do it for me on the stream.
I'll be doing the regular show, of course, on Monday.
I'll be back on Monday.
We're going to be talking all about these strikes by Israel against Iran.
So looking forward to that.
But that's all I got for you this week.
Remember to follow me here on Rumble.
Smash the like button.
Leave a comment.
Let me know what you think about the show.
Follow me on Kick.
I did a big Kick stream yesterday.
Really tuckered me out.
But follow me on Kik at Kik.com slash Nick Fuentes.
I'm going to be streaming there once a week.
So check that out.
I'm on the air Monday through Friday, 8 o'clock Central.
As always, thanks to our top Super Chatters.
Special thanks, Black Groyper, Joe, Dalton, Claude Felter, Halcyon, Robert Dobbins.
Special thanks to all of them.
Thanks to all our Super Chatters, everybody that watches the show.
We love you.
I'll see you on Monday.
Until then, have a great weekend.
Have a great rest of your evening.
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Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.
It's going to be only America first.
America first.
The American people will come first once again.
America first!
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