Feb. 8, 2024 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes
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We'll be right back. | |
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, peace your eyes on the winner's dance. | ||
| But this is a different holy ground when I'm on the ground. | ||
| They hit me, they give me adrenaline. | ||
| The demons is making me sin again. | ||
| this little GC. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, peace your eyes on the winner's dance. | ||
| But this is a different holy ground when I'm on the ground. | ||
| They hit me, they give me adrenaline. | ||
| The demons is making me sin again. | ||
| I need to change how I'm living in. | ||
| Take too much money to get rid of them. | ||
| We did it, kid. | ||
| We did it. | ||
| I love when she claims to mischief. | ||
| I I need my kids to be Christian. | ||
| All of my hits to be hit. | ||
| All of my people they listen. | ||
| Who gon' come make us a difference? | ||
| You know I fit the description. | ||
| We gotta die for this. | ||
| Whole city finna ride for this. | ||
| Say a prayer, we need God for this. | ||
| And we still livin' marvelous. | ||
| Pray for people in the world for this. | ||
| And they make a new law for this. | ||
| Before we ever get caught for this. | ||
| Tryin' wanna fuck? | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| I'ma let her hop on some. | ||
| Tryin' wanna fuck? | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| I'ma let her hop on some. | ||
| Shit, I'm tryna fuck some right now. | ||
| Split this lil' G6. | ||
| Tryin' wanna fuck? | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Shit, I'm tryna fuck somethin' right now, split this lil' GCS Everything that we want, I'm with Elon, must eat lunch I bought a new crib at the space station, I can park my rocket in the front And that money comin' in a bunch, I done had a feelin' and a hunch I'ma win whenever I say win, I got too much power in my tongue I got horsepower in the trunk, we too tough, they too tough | ||
| I was just scared niggas. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| Taking awards since I was young. | ||
| I got awards. | ||
| Me and my gun. | ||
| I'm with it all. | ||
| When we in the crush, a real king goes in the front. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be superheroes when we finish this. | ||
| Pray for the innocent. | ||
| The Ukraine and the citizens. | ||
| Look at the shoes that I'm sitting in. | ||
| Ain't nobody out winning him. | ||
| They say it's written, but it's written in. | ||
| This one is different. | ||
| We was gone off that old post. | ||
| Potion hit that slow motion what you got going rogue someone left the stove oh feel we too hot it was double R we was range roving with the Rocky Roly Rose Royce rough Friday anthem Jesse dropped shut him down open up shop got my heart broke I like that a lot Time, time moving slow. | ||
| I ain't tripping though. | ||
| I thought you had to know. | ||
| Time moving slow. | ||
| I just thought you had to know. | ||
| Time moving slow. | ||
| You are the only thing that felt like home. | ||
| How I thought I had it all. | ||
| Going through the messages that start on my phone. | ||
| Requests of life. | ||
| I'm not alone. | ||
| You are the only thing that felt like time moving slow. | ||
| Time moving slow. | ||
| DJ Fairey Time moving slow Enjoy the time moving slow For you Enjoy the time I can't believe in you | ||
| I see through you Exceeded the limits Took over my story And re-wrote the ending I did Had to show up and deliver that shit Had to yacht out on the ocean I did Go ahead and cry me a ribbing To try to bring me to my lowest I still brought the vision I see through the blinds When everyone is Is a sign of the times Been falling behind I got some images stuck in my mind I gotta hit them the perfectest time We better get it this time It's all good. | ||
| Going bigger this time. | ||
| Feeling like jigging this time. | ||
| Time moving slow. | ||
| I thought you had to know. | ||
| Time moving slow. | ||
| I thought you had to know. | ||
| Time moving slow. | ||
| Enjoy the time moving slow, boy. | ||
| Enjoy the time moving slow. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's real radio. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| Don't eat trip, for real. | ||
| Hey, big record breaker over here, man. | ||
| Know that I could only play where you ain't. | ||
| Pussy like a step three. | ||
| Straight water. | ||
| Baby, what's the Kelly Price? | ||
| This the Kevin Costner. | ||
| Messing with the real one. | ||
| Never all brand. | ||
| How they steal down to me. | ||
| I cannot explain. | ||
| Ice on my teeth. | ||
| Now my dentist thinking Johnny Dang. | ||
| I just hit a nick on the industry. | ||
| Now they in pain. | ||
| Y'all don't see me with a blonde. | ||
| If I'm being free. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'ma put the studio inside a Chase Bank. | ||
| Life's like a movie role. | ||
| But I ain't Tom Hanks. | ||
| Trying to go to war with me. | ||
| I'm bringing all tanks. | ||
| I don't need your reparations. | ||
| We just strong. | ||
| Find out why we elevating. | ||
| Like Solange. | ||
| Falling ever since I came in. | ||
| Like LeBron. | ||
| Going against corporations. | ||
| One on one. | ||
| This that I lot. | ||
| This the shit that have you spazzing on every block. | ||
| They want me to take them back. | ||
| But I'd rather not. | ||
| They want me to take them back. | ||
| But I'd rather not. | ||
| We'll see you next time. | ||
| Burning like a candlelight, your love is dangerous. | ||
| Your love is my love is our love is. | ||
| Burning like a candlelight, your love is dangerous. | ||
| Your love is. | ||
| My love is. | ||
| Our love is. | ||
| You like to call me innocent. | ||
| Playing close, but she distant. | ||
| Nine men out of ten get addicted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Part of my friend, she a little bit. | ||
| We had a sunset night on a sunstrip. | ||
| Had the seafood platter going redic. | ||
| Hurricane ice hurting. | ||
| Yeah, bloody soaking. | ||
| Her body like the wild, wild west. | ||
| But if you don't walk down, yeah. | ||
| Riding in the wind, God bless. | ||
| She's on the road. | ||
| It's a hell of a time. | ||
| Burning like a candlelight. | ||
| Your love is dangerous. | ||
| Your love is my love is our love is. | ||
| Burning like a candlelight. | ||
| Your love is dangerous. | ||
| Your love is dangerous. | ||
| Hey, what's going on, everybody? | ||
| It's me, Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Back here today on Thursday evening to cover the Tucker Carlson interview of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president. | ||
| And we're still waiting for it. | ||
| It should have dropped a few minutes ago, but I guess we can expect it any time now. | ||
| It's gonna be a fun stream. | ||
| It's apparently a two-hour interview. | ||
| Putin and Tucker exclusively on Twitter. | ||
| Dropping any minute. | ||
| So we'll be here. | ||
| We're gonna be watching the whole thing. | ||
| And this is gonna change the world. | ||
| Maybe it will shake the West to its very core. | ||
| At least that's what the media is saying. | ||
| So it's gonna be fun, but why don't you check in here. | ||
| If you're watching the stream, say what's up in the Rumble live chat. | ||
| Who's all in here? | ||
| Pop in in the live chat and just say hey. | ||
| Say hey. | ||
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Uh, you know. | |
| Let me know who's all in here. | ||
| Who's watching this thing? | ||
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We got... Hang on, let me refresh the page. | |
| We got TwitterSucks, we got TopGroper, MadGroper. | ||
| My live chat's bugging out though. | ||
| My live chat's not updating. | ||
| Am I live? | ||
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I think so, right? | |
| There we go, okay. | ||
| Live chat was stuck there for a sec. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Okay, now you gotta say, say hey again. | ||
| If you said hey before, say hey again, because I... I missed it. | ||
| We got BenzClips, Beth, Vito Carlucci, PlantationGroiper, Spexo! | ||
| Hey, what's up, dude? | ||
| Arthur Friend. | ||
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What's going on? | |
| That guy's a mod. | ||
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FishGroiper, he's always in here. | |
| What's up, guys? | ||
| Yo, we got Brothers on? | ||
| Had the Vultures playlist. | ||
| Now we got a little Brothers from Love Everyone. | ||
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It's a good song. | |
| All right. - Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, who else in here? | ||
| We got everybody. | ||
| So this is a popping stream. | ||
| Everybody's in here. | ||
| Live chat's moving too fast. | ||
| I can barely read it. | ||
| Interviews on the website. | ||
| All right, here we go! | ||
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Let's go! | |
| Let's start it up. | ||
| Let's get it. | ||
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Let's start it up. | |
| Let's get it. | ||
| Let's get it! | ||
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Alright, here we go. | |
| Pausing the music. | ||
| Here we go! | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| Alright, are you guys excited? | ||
| This is hype. | ||
| We're about to dive in here. | ||
| This is exciting stuff. | ||
| So, Tucker Carlson interviewing Vladimir Putin in Moscow. | ||
| It's apparently not on X. I guess it's on the website. | ||
| So we are now on the website. | ||
| And here we go. | ||
| We're about to watch this. | ||
| You guys hype? | ||
| Share the stream. | ||
| Share the stream. | ||
| Subscribe to my channel right now if you're not already. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| Let's plug it in. | ||
| And let's watch it. | ||
| Tap in! | ||
| It's time to tap in. | ||
| Because this is about to start. | ||
| This is going to be good stuff, man. | ||
| This is going to be some good stuff. | ||
| All right, here we go. | ||
| Lock It In, shot February 6, 2024, at about 7 p.m. | ||
| in the building behind us, which is, of course, the Kremlin. | ||
| The interview, as you will see if you watch it, is primarily about the war in progress, the war in Ukraine, how it started, what's happening, and most presently, how it might end. | ||
| One note before you watch. | ||
| At the beginning of the interview, we asked the most obvious question, which is, why did you do this? | ||
| Did you feel a threat, an imminent physical threat, And that's your justification. | ||
| And the answer we got shocked us. | ||
| Putin went on for a very long time, probably half an hour, about the history of Russia going back to the 8th century. | ||
| And honestly, we thought this was a filibustering technique and found it annoying and interrupted him several times. | ||
| And he responded he was annoyed by the interruption. | ||
| But we concluded in the end, for what it's worth, that it was not a filibustering technique. | ||
| There was no time limit on the interview. | ||
| We ended it after more than two hours. | ||
| Instead, what you're about to see seemed to us sincere, whether you agree with it or not. | ||
| Vladimir Putin believes that Russia has a historic claim to parts of Western Ukraine. | ||
| He says Russia has an historic claim to Western Ukraine. | ||
| Does he mean Western or Eastern? | ||
| I'm just curious. | ||
| I guess we'll find out. | ||
| But of course, Western Ukraine would be Kiev and Odessa. | ||
| But right now, Russia is taking East. | ||
| Ethnically, linguistically, Russian part. | ||
| So that's a little interesting. | ||
| I wonder if that was an error or if Putin really wants all of Ukraine. | ||
| So we'll have to see, but that's interesting. | ||
| So I guess it was a little bit combative. | ||
| All right, but let's get into it. | ||
| President, thank you. | ||
| On February 22, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started. | ||
| And you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a, quote, surprise attack on our country. | ||
| And to American ears, that sounds paranoid. | ||
| Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue. | ||
| How did you conclude that? | ||
| It's not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike on Russia. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation? | ||
| Here's the quote! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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It's a formidable serious talk. | |
| Because your basic education is in history as far as I understand. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So, if you don't mind, I will take only 30 seconds or 1 minute to give you a short reference to history for giving you a little historical background. | ||
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Please! | |
| Let's look where our relationship with Ukraine started from. | ||
| Where did Ukraine come from? | ||
| The Russian state started gathering itself as a centralized statehood, and it is considered to be the year of the establishment of the Russian state, in 862, when the townspeople of Novgorod invited a Varangian prince, Rurik, from Scandinavia to reign. | ||
| In 1862, Russia celebrated the 1000th anniversary of its statehood. | ||
| And in Novgorod, there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000th anniversary of the country. | ||
| In 882, Rurik's successor, Prince Oleg, who was actually playing the role of regent at Rurik's young son, Because Uri had died by that time, came to Kiev. | ||
| He ousted two brothers who apparently had once been members of Rurik's squad. | ||
| So Russia began to develop with two centers of power, Kiev and Novgorod. | ||
| The next very significant date in the history of Russia was 988. | ||
| This was the baptism of Russia, when Prince Vladimir, the great-grandson of Rurik, baptized Russia and adopted Orthodoxy, or Eastern Christianity. | ||
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This was the centralised Russian constitution. | |
| From this time the centralized Russian state began to strengthen. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because of the single territory, integrated economic ties, One and the same language and, after the baptism of Russia, the same faith and rule of the prince. | ||
| The centralized Russian state began to take shape. | ||
| Back in the Middle Ages, Prince Yaroslav the Wise introduced the order of succession to a throne. | ||
| But after he passed away, it became complicated for various reasons. | ||
| The throne was passed not directly from father to eldest son, but from the prince, who had passed away to his brother, then to his sons in different lines. | ||
| All this led to defragmentation and the end of Rus as a single state. | ||
| There was nothing special about it. | ||
| The same was happening then in Europe. | ||
| But the fragmented Russian state became an easy prey to the empire created earlier by Genghis Khan. | ||
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Han Baty, who came to Russia and was a very good one. | |
| His successors, namely Batuhan, came to Rus, plundered and ruined nearly all the cities. | ||
| The southern part, including Kiev, by the way, and some other cities simply lost independence, while northern cities preserved some of their sovereignty. | ||
| They had to pay tribute to the Horde, but they managed to preserve some part of their sovereignty. | ||
| And then a unified Russian state began to take shape with its center in Moscow. | ||
| The southern part of Russian lands, including Kiev, began to gradually gravitate towards another magnet, the center that was emerging in Europe. | ||
| This was the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. | ||
| It was even called the Lithuanian Russian Duchy, because Russians were a significant part of this population. | ||
| They spoke the old Russian language and were Orthodox. | ||
| But then there was a unification, the union of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland. | ||
| A few years later, another union was signed, but this time already in the religious sphere. | ||
| Some of the Orthodox priests became subordinate to the Pope. | ||
| Thus, these lands became part of the Polish-Lithuanian state. | ||
| During decades the Poles were engaged in pollinization of this part of the population. | ||
| They introduced a language there, tried to entrench the idea that this population was not exactly Russians, that because they lived on the fringe, they were Ukrainians. | ||
| Originally, the word Ukrainian meant that the person was living on the outskirts of the state, along the fringes, or was engaged in a border patrol service. | ||
| It didn't mean any particular ethnic group. | ||
| So the Poles were trying to In every possible way to polonize this part of the Russian lands and actually treated it rather harshly, not to say cruelly. | ||
| All that led to the fact that this part of the Russian lands began to struggle for their rights. | ||
| They wrote letters to Warsaw demanding that their rights be observed and people be commissioned here, including to Kiev. | ||
| I beg your pardon, could you tell us what period? | ||
| I'm losing track of where in history we are. | ||
| The Polish oppression of Ukraine. | ||
| It was in the 13th century. | ||
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Now I will tell you what happened later. | |
| and give the dates so that there is no confusion. | ||
| And in 1654, even a bit earlier, the people who were in control of the authority over that part of the Russian lands addressed Warsaw, I repeat, demanding that they send them to rulers of Russian origin demanding that they send them to rulers of Russian origin and Orthodox faith. | ||
| When Warsaw did not answer them and in fact rejected their demands, they turned to Moscow so that Moscow took them away. | ||
| So that you don't think that I'm inventing things, I'll give you these documents. | ||
| Well, it doesn't sound like you're inventing and I'm not sure why it's relevant to what happened two years ago. | ||
| But still, these are documents from the archives, copies. | ||
| Here are the letters from Bogdan Khmelnitsky, the man who then controlled the power in this part of the Russian lands that is now called Ukraine. | ||
| He wrote to Warsaw demanding that their rights be upheld. | ||
| And after being refused, he began to write letters to Moscow, asking to take them under the strong hand of the Moscow Tsar. | ||
| There are copies of these documents. | ||
| I will leave them for your good memory. | ||
| There is a translation into Russian, you can translate it into English later. | ||
| Russia would not agree to admit them straight away, assuming that the war with Poland would start. | ||
| Nevertheless, in 1654, the Pan-Russian Assembly of top clergy and landowners, headed by the Tsar, Which was the representative body of the power of the old Russian state, decided to include a part of the old Russian lands into Moscow Kingdom. | ||
| As expected, the war with Poland began. | ||
| It lasted 13 years and then, in 1654, a truce was concluded. | ||
| a truce was concluded. | ||
| And 32 years later, I think, a peace treaty with Poland, which they called eternal peace, was signed. | ||
| And these lands, the whole left bank of Dnieper, including Kiev, went to Russia. | ||
| And the whole right bank of Dnieper remained in Poland. | ||
| Under the rule of Catherine the Great, Russia reclaimed all of its historical lands, including in the South and West. | ||
| This all lasted until the Revolution. | ||
| Before World War I, Austrian general staff relied on the ideas of Ukrainianization and started actively promoting the ideas of Ukraine and the Ukrainianization. | ||
| Their motive was obvious. | ||
| Just before World War I, they wanted to weaken the potential enemy and secure themselves favorable conditions in the border area. | ||
| So the idea which had emerged in Poland that people residing in that territory were allegedly not really Russians, but rather belonged to a special ethnic group, Ukrainians, started being propagated by the Austrian General Staff. | ||
| As far back as the 19th century, theorists calling for Ukrainian independence appeared. | ||
| All those, however, claim that Ukraine should have a very good relationship with Russia. | ||
| They insisted on that. | ||
| After the 1917 revolution, the Bolsheviks sought to restore the statehood and the civil war began, including the hostilities with Poland. | ||
| In 1921 peace with Poland was proclaimed and under that treaty the right bank of Dnieper River once again was given back to Poland. | ||
| In 1939 after Poland cooperated with Hitler, he did collaborate with Hitler, you know, Hitler offered Poland peace and a treaty of friendship. | ||
| An alliance demanding in return that Poland give back to Germany the so-called Danzig corridor which connected the bulk of Germany with East Prussia and Königsberg. | ||
| After World War I, this territory was transferred to Poland, and instead of Danzig, a city of Gdansk emerged. | ||
| It's interesting that Putin just gave the history of Russia going back to the 9th century. | ||
| When does Tucker interrupt? | ||
| with Hitler and engaged together in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia. | ||
| It's interesting that Putin just gave the history of Russia going back to the 9th century. | ||
| When does Tucker interrupt? | ||
| When it gets into Hitler and the origins of World War II. | ||
| Sort of strange, isn't it? | ||
| Isn't it bizarre that he let him talk all about the 9th century, the 10th century, 14th century, 17th century, World War I, the Revolution. | ||
| Now we start talking about Hitler and it's, wait, wait, wait, hang on a second, just a minute, why are we talking about this? | ||
| That's strange. | ||
| Why did we stop there, of all places, of all time? | ||
| I mean, you would say, hey, we're already 15 minutes into the history lesson. | ||
| We're 1,100 years into it. | ||
| Why do we hold up the hand at World War II, right? | ||
| Right as we're coming to the end. | ||
| Right as we're getting to the end. | ||
| It's sort of bizarre. | ||
| A little strange. | ||
| I'll tell you. | ||
| I'm coming to that. | ||
| This briefing is coming to an end. | ||
| It might be boring, but it explains many things. | ||
| as in effect Russia has been for hundreds of years. | ||
| Why wouldn't you just take it when you became president 24 years ago? | ||
| You have nuclear weapons, they don't. | ||
| If it's actually your land, why did you wait so long? | ||
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- Sure. | |
| - I'll tell you. | ||
| I'm coming to that. | ||
| This briefing is coming to an end. | ||
| It might be boring, but it explains many things. | ||
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- You just don't know how it's relevant. - Good. | |
| Good. | ||
| I'm so gratified that you appreciate that. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| He's so awesome! | ||
| He's so awesome! | ||
| That's what a real leader looks like. | ||
| That's a real hero. | ||
| That's a real boss. | ||
| He has been the undisputed king of Russia for 24 years. | ||
| He's been the head of the largest country in the world for a quarter of a century. | ||
| That's a boss! | ||
| That's a boss right there. | ||
| That's how a boss talks. | ||
| He's not like some president who's in charge for eight years before they throw him out and he's got to deal with the media and Congress. | ||
| He has been the throne for a quarter of a century of Russia. | ||
| World War II, Poland collaborated with Hitler, and although it did not yield to Hitler's demands, it still participated in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia together with Hitler, as the Poles had not given the Danzig Corridor to Germany and went too far, pushing Hitler to start World War II by attacking them. | ||
| Why was it Poland against whom the war started on 1 September 1939? | ||
| Poland turned out to be uncompromising and Hitler had nothing to do but start implementing his plans with Poland. | ||
| By the way, the USSR, I have read some archived documents, behaved very honestly. | ||
| It asked Poland's permission to transit its troops through the Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia. | ||
| But the then Polish foreign minister said that if the Soviet planes flew over Poland, they would be downed over the territory of Poland. | ||
| But that doesn't matter. | ||
| What matters is that the war began, and Poland fell prey to the policies it had pursued against Czechoslovakia, as under the well-known Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. | ||
| Part of the territory, including Western Ukraine, Russia, which was then named the USSR, regained its historical lands. | ||
| After the victory in the Great Patriotic War, as we call World War II, all those territories were ultimately enshrined as belonging to Russia. | ||
| Today USSR. | ||
| As for Poland, it received, apparently in compensation, the lands which had originally been German. | ||
| The eastern parts of Germany. | ||
| These are now western lands of Poland. | ||
| Of course, Poland regained access to the Baltic Sea and Danzig. | ||
| which was once again given its Polish name. | ||
| So, this was how this situation developed. | ||
| In 1922, when the USSR was being established, the Bolsheviks started building the USSR and established the Soviet Ukraine, which had never existed before. | ||
| Stalin insisted that those republics be included in the USSR as autonomous entities. | ||
| For some inexplicable reason, Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state, insisted that they be entitled to withdraw from the USSR. | ||
| And, again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established Soviet Republic of Ukraine some of the lands together with people living there, even though those lands had never been called Ukraine, and yet they were made part of that Soviet Republic of Ukraine. | ||
| Those lands included the Black Sea region, which was received under Catherine the Great, and which had no historical connection with Ukraine whatsoever. | ||
| Even if we go as far back as 1654, when these lands returned to Russian Empire, that territory was the size of 3-4 regions of modern Ukraine, with no Black Sea region. | ||
| That was completely out of the question. | ||
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In 1654? | |
| Exactly. | ||
| You obviously have encyclopedic knowledge of this region, but why didn't you make this case for the first 22 years as president that Ukraine wasn't a real country? | ||
| The Soviet Union was given a great deal of territory that had never belonged to it, including the Black Sea region. | ||
| At some point, when Russia received them as an outcome of the Russo-Turkish wars, they were called New Russia or Novorossiya. | ||
| But that does not matter. | ||
| What matters is that Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state, established Ukraine that way. | ||
| So he just totally ignores him. | ||
| Tucker's like, okay, so why did you invade? | ||
| And he's like, okay, anyway. | ||
| So I think he said that he goes on for like a half hour like this. | ||
| For decades the Ukrainian Soviet Republic developed as part of the USSR. | ||
| And for unknown reasons, again, the Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainianization. | ||
| It was not merely because the Soviet leadership was composed to a great extent of those originating from Ukraine. | ||
| Rather, it was explained by the general policy of indigenization pursued by the Soviet Union. | ||
| Same things were done in other Soviet republics. | ||
| This involved promoting national languages and national cultures, which is not a bad in principle. | ||
| That is how the Soviet Ukraine was created. | ||
| After the World War II, Ukraine received, in addition to the lands that had belonged to Poland before the war, part of the lands that had previously belonged to Hungary and Romania. | ||
| So, Romania and Hungary had some of their lands taken away and given to the Soviet Ukraine, and they still remain part of Ukraine. | ||
| So, in this sense, we have every reason to affirm that Ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at Stalin's will. | ||
| Do you believe Hungary has a right to take its land back from Ukraine? | ||
| and that other nations have a right to go back to their 1654 borders? | ||
| I'm not sure whether they should go back to the 1654 borders. | ||
| But given Stalin's time, so-called Stalin's regime, which as many claim saw numerous violations of human rights and violations of the rights of other states, one may say that they could claim back those lands of theirs one may say that they could claim back those lands of theirs while having no right to It is at least understandable. | ||
| Have you told Viktor Orban that he can have part of Ukraine? | ||
| Never. | ||
| I have never told him. | ||
| Not a single time. | ||
| We have not even had any conversation on that, but I actually know for sure that Hungarians who live there Wanted to get back to their historical land. | ||
| Moreover, I would like to share a very interesting story with you. | ||
| I digress, it's a personal one. | ||
| Somewhere in the early 80s I went on a road trip in a car from then Leningrad across the Soviet Union through Kiev. | ||
| Made a stop in Kiev and then went to Western Ukraine. | ||
| I went to the town of Beregovoye. | ||
| In all the names of towns and villages there were in Russian and, in the language I did not understand, in Hungarian. | ||
| In Russian and in Hungarian. | ||
| Not in Ukrainian, in Russian and in Hungarian. | ||
| I was driving through some kind of village and there were men sitting next to the houses and they were wearing black three-piece suits and black cylinder hats. | ||
| I asked, are they some kind of entertainers? | ||
| I was told, no, they were not entertainers, they are Hungarians. | ||
| I said, what are they doing here? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| This is their land, they live here. | ||
| This was during the Soviet time, in the 1980s. | ||
| They preserve the Hungarian language, Hungarian names and all their national costumes. | ||
| They are Hungarians and they feel themselves to be Hungarians. | ||
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And of course, when now there is an infringement... Well, that is... And there's a lot of that, though. | |
| I think many nations are upset about Transylvania as well, as you obviously know. | ||
| But many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mentioned. | ||
| But... | ||
| The fact is that you didn't make this case in public until two years ago, February, and in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that's what got you to move. | ||
| Is that a fair characterization of what you said? | ||
| I understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interviews. | ||
| That is why I asked you at the beginning. | ||
| Are we going to have a serious talk or a show? | ||
| You said a serious talk. | ||
| So, bear with me, please. | ||
| That seems so awesome, dude. | ||
| Just keeps striking him down. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Just spanking him. | ||
| Spanking... Because Tucker's like... Are you gonna tell Hungary they can get their land back? | ||
| What does this have to do with 2022? | ||
| Tucker's like Destiny. | ||
| And Putin's just like, shut up, bitch. | ||
| Just eat a Big Mac, buddy. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Putin's right, though. | ||
| I think Putin's totally right. | ||
| About all of it. | ||
| I'll follow up a little bit if there's like a natural break and kind of inject what I'm thinking. | ||
| I just love, he just keeps smacking him down like that. | ||
| We are coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established. | ||
| Then in 1991 the Soviet Union collapsed and everything that Russia had generously bestowed on Ukraine was dragged away by the latter. | ||
| I am coming to a very important point of today's agenda. | ||
| After all, the collapse of the Soviet Union was effectively initiated by the Russian leadership. | ||
| I do not understand what the Russian leadership was guided by at the time, but I suspect there were several reasons to think everything would be fine. | ||
| First, I think that then Russian leadership believed that the fundamentals of the relationship between Russia and Ukraine were, in fact, a common language. | ||
| More than 90% of the population there spoke Russian. | ||
| Family ties. | ||
| Every third person there had some kind of family or friendship ties. | ||
| Common culture. | ||
| Common history. | ||
| Finally, common faith. | ||
| Coexistence with a single state for centuries. | ||
| And deeply interconnected economies. | ||
| All of these were so fundamental. | ||
| All these elements together make our good relationships inevitable. | ||
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The second point is a very important one. | |
| I want you as an American citizen and your viewers to hear about this as well. | ||
| The former Russian leadership assumed that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist, and therefore, there were no longer any ideological dividing lines. | ||
| Russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the Soviet Union. | ||
| And believe that this would be understood by the so-called civilized West as an invitation for cooperation and association. | ||
| That is what Russia was expecting, both from the United States and the so-called collective West as a whole. | ||
| There were smart people, including in Germany, Egon Barr, a major politician of the Social Democratic Party, who insisted in his personal conversations with the Soviet leadership on the brink of the collapse of the Soviet Union, that a new security system should be established in Europe. | ||
| Help should be given to unify Germany, but a new system should be also established to include the United States, Canada, Russia and other Central European countries. | ||
| But NATO needs not to expand. | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| If NATO expands, everything would be just the same as during the Cold War, only closer to Russia's borders. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| He was a wise old man, but no one listened to him. | ||
| In fact, he got angry once. | ||
| If, he said, you don't listen to me, I'm never setting my foot in Moscow once again. | ||
| Everything happened just as he had said. | ||
| Well, of course, it did come true, and you've mentioned this many times, I think it's a fair point, and many in America thought that relations between Russia and the United States would be fine with the collapse of the Soviet Union at the end of the Cold War, that the opposite happened. | ||
| But you've never explained why you think that happened, except to say that the West fears a strong Russia, but we have a strong China the West does not seem very afraid of. | ||
| What about Russia do you think convinced policymakers they had to take it down? | ||
| That's totally wrong. | ||
| The reason that the West, well, first of all, the West has feared China ever since Trump got elected. | ||
| And that is one of the things that the regime agreed with Trump about, actually, after the election, was that Trump took seriously the threat of China. | ||
| It also happened to be the case that that was a natural pivot that was already occurring. | ||
| It was Obama that initiated the pivot to the Pacific. | ||
| And that was as the Middle East wars were winding down. | ||
| It also happened to coincide with China becoming a world power. | ||
| had a large nuclear arsenal and a sophisticated conventional military. | ||
| So to say, why is it that the United States never took China seriously? | ||
| Well, Russia has always historically had the lead. | ||
| Well, I mean, not in the grand timeline, but for the past 100 years, Russia was the military threat. | ||
| Not China, not until last 10 or 15 years. | ||
| And policy, U.S. | ||
| policy has shifted accordingly, commensurate to the proportion of the threat. | ||
| It's only been recently that, relatively recently, that China has begun its military buildup and become a true world power now that it's building its Pacific fleet. | ||
| And the reason why the West fears strong Russia is because Russia wields the nuclear arsenal and the strong conventional military. | ||
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So... | |
| But the thing is, Tucker is like a shill for the anti-China thing, like a lot of the other spooks, like Peter Thiel and... | ||
| Pompeo and Nikki Haley and the rest of them. | ||
| That's like, you know, a lot of these people think it's like based to be anti-China. | ||
| That's the government. | ||
| The security state is anti-China. | ||
| You know, like Alex Jones and Bannon say that it's the Chi-Coms and like that's the real woke position. | ||
| And when I say woke, I don't mean like left-wing. | ||
| I mean that's like the red-pilled position. | ||
| It's not Red Pill at all. | ||
| Nikki Haley and DeSantis are fighting with each other on the debate stage up until just a month ago about who is more anti-China. | ||
| And like I said, that is the one among maybe several others, but maybe the biggest thing, that the deep state agreed with Trump about. | ||
| And I think that's a position they, like I said, they were already organically coming to that conclusion. | ||
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So that's just, I mean, that's to be expected from Tucker. | |
| The West is afraid of strong China more than it fears a strong Russia. | ||
| Because Russia has 150 million people, and China has 1.5 billion population, and its economy is growing by leaps and bounds, over 5% a year. | ||
| It used to be even more. | ||
| But that's enough for China. | ||
| As Bismarck once put it, potentials are the most important. | ||
| China's potential is enormous. | ||
| It is the biggest economy in the world today in terms of purchasing power parity and the size of the economy. | ||
| It has already overtaken the United States quite a long time ago, and it is growing at a rapid clip. | ||
| Let's not talk about who is afraid of whom. | ||
| Let's not reason in such terms. | ||
| And let's get into the fact that after 1991, when Russia expected that it would be welcomed into the brotherly family of civilized nations, nothing like this happened. | ||
| You tricked us. | ||
| I don't mean you personally when I say you. | ||
| Of course, I'm talking about the United States. | ||
| The promise was that NATO would not expand eastward. | ||
| But it happened five times. | ||
| There were five waves of expansion. | ||
| We tolerated all that. | ||
| We were trying to persuade them. | ||
| We were saying, please don't. | ||
| We are as bourgeois now as you are. | ||
| We are a market economy and there is no communist party power. | ||
| Let's negotiate. | ||
| Moreover, I have also said this publicly before. | ||
| There was a moment when A certain rift started growing between us. | ||
| Before that Yeltsin came to the United States. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| He spoke in Congress and said the good words. | ||
| God bless America. | ||
| Everything he said were signals. | ||
| Let us in. | ||
| Remember the developments in Yugoslavia before the Yeltsin was lavished with praise? | ||
| As soon as the developments in Yugoslavia started, he raised his voice in support of Serbs, and we couldn't but raise our voices for Serbs in their defense. | ||
| I understand that there were complex processes underway there. | ||
| I do. | ||
| But Russia could not help raising its voice in support of Serbs, because Serbs are also a special and close to us nation. | ||
| With Orthodox culture and so on. | ||
| It's a nation that has suffered so much for generations. | ||
| Well, regardless, what is important is that Yeltsin expressed his support. | ||
| What did the United States do? | ||
| In violation of international law and the UN Charter, it started bombing Belgrade. | ||
| It was the United States that let the genie out of the bottle. | ||
| Moreover, when Russia protested and expressed its resentment at what was said, the UN Charter and international law have become obsolete. | ||
| Now everyone invokes international law, but at that time they started saying that everything was outdated, everything had to be changed. | ||
| Indeed, some things need to be changed. | ||
| As the balance of power has changed. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| But not in this manner. | ||
| Yeltsin was immediately dragged through the mud, accused of alcoholism, of understanding nothing, of knowing nothing. | ||
| He understood everything, I assure you. | ||
| Well, I became president in 2000. | ||
| I thought, okay, the Yugoslav issue is over, but we should try to restore relations. | ||
| Let's reopen the door that Russia had tried to go through. | ||
| And moreover, I said it publicly, I can't reiterate. | ||
| At a meeting here in the Kremlin with the outgoing President Bill Clinton, right here, in the next room, I said to him, I asked him, Bill, do you think if Russia asked to join NATO, do you think it would happen? | ||
| Suddenly, he said, you know, it's interesting, I think so. | ||
| But in the evening, when we met for dinner, he said, you know, I've talked to my team, no, no, it's not possible now. | ||
| You can ask him, I think he will watch our interview, he'll confirm it. | ||
| I wouldn't have said anything like that if it hadn't happened. | ||
| Okay, well, it's impossible now. | ||
| Were you sincere? | ||
| Would you have joined NATO? | ||
| Look, I asked the question, is it possible or not? | ||
| And the answer I got was no. | ||
| If I wasn't sincere in my desire to find out what the leadership position was... But if he had said yes, would you have joined NATO? | ||
| If he had said yes, the process of rapprochement would have commenced, and eventually it might have happened, if we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners. | ||
| But it didn't happen. | ||
| Well, no means no. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Fine. | ||
| Why do you think that is? | ||
| Just to get to motive. | ||
| I know you're clearly bitter about it. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But why do you think the West rebuffed you then? | ||
| Why the hostility? | ||
| Why did the end of the Cold War not You said I was bitter about the answer. | ||
| No, it's not bitterness. | ||
| It's just a statement of fact. | ||
| We're not bride and groom, bitterness, resentment. | ||
| It's not about those kind of matters in such circumstances. | ||
| We just realized we weren't welcome there, that's all. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| But let's build relations in another manner, let's look for common ground elsewhere. | ||
| Why we received such a negative response, you should ask your leaders. | ||
| I can only guess why. | ||
| Too big a country with its own opinion and so on. | ||
| And the United States? | ||
| I've seen how issues are being resolved in NATO. | ||
| I will give you another example now concerning Ukraine. | ||
| The US leadership exerts pressure and all NATO members obediently vote, even if they do not like something. | ||
| Now, I'll tell you what happened in this regard with Ukraine in 2008, although it's being discussed. | ||
| I'm not going to open a secret to you, say anything new. | ||
| Nevertheless, after that we tried to build relations in different ways. | ||
| For example, the events in the Middle East, in Iraq. | ||
| We were building relations with the United States in a very soft, prudent, cautious manner. | ||
| I repeatedly raised the issue that the United States should not support separatism or terrorism in the North Caucasus. | ||
| But they continue to do it anyway. | ||
| And political support, information support, financial support, even military support came from the United States and its satellites for terrorist groups in the Caucasus. | ||
| I once raised this issue with my colleague, also the President of the United States. | ||
| He says, it's impossible, do you have proof? | ||
| I said yes. | ||
| I was prepared for this conversation, and I gave him that proof. | ||
| He looked at it, and you know what he said? | ||
| I apologize, but that's what happened. | ||
| I'll quote. | ||
| He says, well, I'm gonna kick their ass. | ||
| We waited and waited for some response. | ||
| There was no reply. | ||
| I said to the FSB director, write to the CIA, what is the result of the conversation with President. | ||
| He wrote once, twice, and then we got a reply. | ||
| We have the answer in the archive. | ||
| The CIA replied, we have been working with the opposition in Russia, we believe that this is the right thing to do, and we will keep on doing it. | ||
| Just ridiculous. | ||
| Well, okay. | ||
| We realized that it was out of the question. | ||
| Forces in opposition to you. | ||
| So you're saying the CIA is trying to overthrow your government? | ||
| Of course they meant in that particular case the separatists, the terrorists who fought with us in the Caucasus. | ||
| That's who they called the opposition. | ||
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This is the second point. | |
| The third moment is a very important one. | ||
| It's the moment when the U.S. | ||
| missile defense system was created. | ||
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The beginning. | |
| We persuaded for a long time not to do it in United States. | ||
| Moreover, after I was invited by Bush Jr.' 's father, Bush Sr., to visit his place on the ocean, I had a very serious conversation with President Bush and his team. | ||
| I proposed that the United States, Russia and Europe jointly create a missile defense system that, we believe, if created unilaterally, threatens our security, despite the fact that the United States officially said that it was being created against missile threats from Iran. | ||
| That was the justification for the deployment of the missile defense system. | ||
| I suggested working together, Russia, the United States and Europe. | ||
| They said it was very interesting. | ||
| They asked me, are you serious? | ||
| I said, absolutely. | ||
| May I ask what year was this? | ||
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I don't remember. | |
| It is easy to find out on the Internet when I was in the USA at the invitation of a Bush senior. | ||
| It is even easier to learn from someone I'm going to tell you about. | ||
| I was told it was very interesting. | ||
| I said, just imagine if we could tackle such a global strategic security challenge together. | ||
| The world will change. | ||
| We'll probably have disputes, probably economic and even political ones, but we could drastically change the situation in the world. | ||
| He says, yes, and asks, are you serious? | ||
| I said, of course. | ||
| We need to think about it, I'm told. | ||
| I said, go ahead, please. | ||
| Then Secretary of Defense Gates, former Director of CIA and Secretary of State Rice came in here, in this cabinet, right here, at this table. | ||
| They sat on this table. | ||
| Me, the foreign minister, the Russian defense minister on that side. | ||
| They said to me, yes, we have thought about it, we agree. | ||
| I said, thank God, great, but with some exceptions. | ||
| So twice you've described US presidents making decisions and then being undercut by their agency heads. | ||
| So it sounds like you're describing a system that's not run by the people who are elected, in your telling. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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That's right. | |
| In the end, they just told us to get lost. | ||
| I'm not going to tell you the details, because I think it's incorrect. | ||
| After all, it was a confidential conversation. | ||
| But our proposal was declined. | ||
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That's a fact. | |
| It was right then when I said, look, but then we will be forced to take countermeasures. | ||
| We will create such strike systems that will certainly overcome missile defense systems. | ||
| The answer was, we're not doing this against you and you do what you want, assuming that it is not against us, not against the United States. | ||
| I said, okay. | ||
| Very well. | ||
| That's the way it went. | ||
| And we created hypersonic systems with intercontinental range, and we continue to develop them. | ||
| We are now ahead of everyone, the United States and the other countries, in terms of the development of hypersonic strike systems, and we are improving them every day. | ||
| But it wasn't us. | ||
| We proposed to go the other way, and we were pushed back. | ||
| Now, about NATO's expansion to the east. | ||
| Well, we were promised no NATO to the east, not an inch to the east, as we were told. | ||
| And then what? | ||
| They said, well, it's not enshrined on paper, so we'll expand. | ||
| So there were five waves of expansion. | ||
| The Baltic states, the whole of Eastern Europe, and so on. | ||
| And now I come to the main thing. | ||
| They have come to do Ukraine, ultimately. | ||
| In 2008, at the summit in Bucharest, they declared that the doors for Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO were open. | ||
| Now about how decisions are made there. | ||
| Germany, France seem to be against it as well as some other European countries. | ||
| But then, as it turned out, later President Bush and he, such a tough guy, a tough politician, as I was told later, he exerted pressure on us and we had to agree. | ||
| It's ridiculous, it's like kindergarten. | ||
| Where are the guarantees? | ||
| What kindergarten is this? | ||
| What kind of people are these? | ||
| Who are they? | ||
| You see, they were pressed, they agreed. | ||
| And then they say, Ukraine won't be in the NATO, you know? | ||
| I say, I don't know. | ||
| I know you agreed in 2008. | ||
| Why won't you agree in the future? | ||
| Well, they pressed us then. | ||
| I say, why won't they press you tomorrow? | ||
| And you'll agree again? | ||
| Well, it's nonsensical. | ||
| Who's there to talk to? | ||
| I just don't understand. | ||
| We're ready to talk. | ||
| But with whom? | ||
| Where are the guarantees? | ||
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None. | |
| So they started to develop the territory of Ukraine. | ||
| Whatever is there, I have told you, the background, how this territory developed, what kind of relations there were with Russia. | ||
| Every second or third person there has always had some ties with Russia. | ||
| And during the elections, in already independent, sovereign Ukraine, which gained its independence as a result of the Declaration of Independence, and by the way, it says that Ukraine is a neutral state, and in 2008, suddenly the doors or gates to NATO were opened to it. | ||
| Oh, come on! | ||
| This is not how we agreed. | ||
| Now, all the presidents that have come to power in Ukraine, they relied on electorate with a good attitude to Russia in one way or the other. | ||
| This is the southeast of Ukraine, this is a large number of people. | ||
| And it was very difficult to dissuade this electorate, which had a positive attitude towards Russia. | ||
| Viktor Yanukovych came to power, and how? | ||
| The first time he won after President Kuchma, they organized a third round, which is not provided for in the Constitution of Ukraine. | ||
| This is a coup d'etat. | ||
| Just imagine, someone in the United States wouldn't like the outcome. | ||
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In 2014? | |
| Before that. | ||
| No, this was before that. | ||
| After President Kuchma, Viktor Yanukovych won the elections. | ||
| However, his opponents did not recognize that victory. | ||
| The U.S. | ||
| supported the opposition and the third round was scheduled. | ||
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What is this? | |
| This is a coup. | ||
| The U.S. | ||
| supported it and the winner of the third round came to power. | ||
| Imagine if in the U.S. | ||
| something was not to someone's liking and the third round of election, which the U.S. | ||
| Constitution does not provide for, was organized. | ||
| Nonetheless, it was done in Ukraine. | ||
| Okay, Viktor Yushchenko, who was considered a pro-Western politician, came to power. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| We have built relations with him as well. | ||
| He came to Moscow with visits. | ||
| We visited Kiev. | ||
| I visited, too. | ||
| We met in an informal setting. | ||
| If he's pro-Western, so be it. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Let people do their job. | ||
| The situation should have developed inside independent Ukraine itself. | ||
| As a result of Kuchma's leadership, things got worse and Viktor Yanukovych came to power after all. | ||
| Maybe he wasn't the best president and politician. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to give assessments. | ||
| However, the issue of the association with the EU came up. | ||
| We have always been lenient to this. | ||
| Suit yourself. | ||
| But when we read through the Treaty of Association, it turned out to be a problem for us, since we had a free trade zone and open customs borders with Ukraine, which under this association had to open its borders for Europe, which could have led to flooding of our market. | ||
| We said, no, this is not going to work. | ||
| We shall close our borders with Ukraine then. | ||
| The customs borders, that is. | ||
| Yanukovych started to calculate how much Ukraine was going to gain, how much to lose, and said to his European partners, I need more time to think before signing. | ||
| The moment he said that, the opposition began to take destructive steps, which were supported by the West. | ||
| It all came down to Maidan and a coup in Ukraine. | ||
| So he did more trade with Russia than with the EU. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's not even the matter of trade value, although for the most part it is. | ||
| It is the matter of cooperation ties, which the entire Ukrainian economy was based on. | ||
| The cooperation ties between the enterprises were very close since the times of the Soviet Union. | ||
| One enterprise there used to produce components to be assembled both in Russia and Ukraine, and vice versa. | ||
| They used to be very close ties. | ||
| A coup d'etat was committed, although I shall not delve into details now, as I find doing it inappropriate, the US told us. | ||
| Calm Yanukovych down and we will calm the opposition. | ||
| Let the situation unfold in the scenario of a political settlement. | ||
| We said alright, agreed, let's do it this way. | ||
| As the Americans requested, Yanukovych did use neither the armed forces nor the police, yet the armed opposition committed a coup in Kiev. | ||
| What is that supposed to mean? | ||
| Who do you think you are? | ||
| I wanted to ask the then US leadership. | ||
| With the backing of whom? | ||
| With the backing of CIA, of course. | ||
| The organization you wanted to join back in the day, as I understand. | ||
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Let's go! | |
| Dude, let's go! | ||
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God, his ass! | |
| Well, who backed him? | ||
| The CIA, which you tried to join, bro. | ||
| What is that supposed to mean? | ||
| Who do you think you are? | ||
| - What is that supposed to mean? | ||
| Who do you think you are? | ||
| I wanted to ask the US leadership. - With the backing of whom? | ||
| With the backing of CIA, of course. | ||
| The organization you wanted to join back in the day, as I understand. | ||
| We should thank God they didn't let you in. | ||
| Although, it is a serious organization. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| My former vis-a-vis in the sense that I served in the First Main Directorate, so if you... Thank God they didn't let you in, he says. | ||
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He says, thank God they didn't let you in. | |
| They're a serious organization. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Dude, he's getting cooked, man. | ||
| He is getting cooked. | ||
| And Tucker's just got no affect. | ||
| He's got no reply. | ||
| He just got destroyed. | ||
| Do the fucking laugh again. | ||
| Why don't you try and do the laugh again, bitch? | ||
| This is Putin! | ||
| This is Russia! | ||
| Do the laugh again, you silly bitch. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
| Just getting slapped around. | ||
| What is that supposed to mean? | ||
| Who do you think you are? | ||
| I wanted to ask the US leadership. | ||
| With the backing of whom? | ||
| With the backing of CIA, of course. | ||
| The organization you wanted to join back in the day, as I understand. | ||
| We should thank God they didn't let you in. | ||
| Although, it is a serious organization. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| My former vis-a-vis in the sense that I served in the First Main Directorate, Soviet Union's intelligence service. | ||
| They have always been our opponents. | ||
| A job is a job. | ||
| Technically, they did everything right. | ||
| They achieved their goal of changing the government. | ||
| However, from political standpoint, it was a colossal mistake. | ||
| Surely, it was political leadership's miscalculation. | ||
| They should have seen what it would evolve into. | ||
| So, in 2008, the doors of NATO were opened for Ukraine. | ||
| In 2014, there was a coup, they started persecuting those who did not accept the coup, and it was indeed a coup. | ||
| They created a threat to Crimea, which we had to take under our protection. | ||
| They launched the war in Donbass in 2014 with the use of aircraft and artillery against civilians. | ||
| This is when it all started. | ||
| There is a video of aircraft attacking Donetsk from above. | ||
| They launched a large-scale military operation, then another one. | ||
| When they failed, they started to prepare the next one. | ||
| All this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of NATO's doors. | ||
| How could we not express concern over what was happening? | ||
| From our side this would have been a culpable negligence. | ||
| That's what it would have been. | ||
| It's just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross, because doing so could have ruined Russia itself. | ||
| Besides, we could not leave our brothers in faith, in fact, a part of Russian people, in the face of this war machine. | ||
| What was the… So, but that was eight years before the current conflict started. | ||
| So what was the trigger for you? | ||
| What was the moment where you decided you had to do this? | ||
| Initially, it was the coup in Ukraine that provoked the conflict. | ||
| By the way, back then the representatives of three European countries – Germany, Poland and France – arrived. | ||
| They were the guarantors of the signed agreement between the government of Yanukovych and the opposition. | ||
| They signed it as guarantors. | ||
| Despite that, the opposition committed a coup and all these countries pretended that they didn't remember that they were guarantors of the peaceful settlement. | ||
| They just threw it in the stove right away and nobody recalls that. | ||
| I don't know if the US know anything about the agreement between the opposition and the authorities and its three guarantors who, instead of bringing this whole situation back in the political field, supported the coup. | ||
| Although it was meaningless, believe me. | ||
| Because President Yanukovych agreed to all conditions. | ||
| He was ready to hold an early election which he had no chance of winning, frankly speaking. | ||
| Everyone knew that. | ||
| Then why the coup? | ||
| Why the victims? | ||
| Why threatening Crimea? | ||
| Why launching an operation in Donbass? | ||
| This I do not understand. | ||
| That is exactly what the miscalculation is. | ||
| CIA did its job to complete the coup. | ||
| I think one of the Deputy Secretaries of State said that it cost a large sum of money, almost 5 billion. | ||
| But the political mistake was colossal. | ||
| Why would they have to do that? | ||
| All this could have been done legally, without victims, without military action, without losing Crimea. | ||
| We would have never considered to even lift a finger if it hadn't been for the bloody developments on Maidan. | ||
| Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former Union's republics. | ||
| We agreed to that. | ||
| But we never agreed to NATO's expansion and, moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO. | ||
| We did not agree to NATO bases there without any discussion with us. | ||
| For decades we kept asking, don't do this, don't do that. | ||
| And what triggered the latest events? | ||
| Firstly, the current Ukrainian leadership declared that it would not implement the Minsk agreements, which had been signed, as you know, after the events of 2014 in Minsk, where the plan of peaceful settlement in Donbass was set forth. | ||
| But no, the current Ukrainian leadership, foreign minister, all other officials and then president himself said that they don't like anything about the Minsk agreements. | ||
| In other words, they were not going to implement it. | ||
| A year or a year and a half ago, former leaders of Germany and France said openly to the whole world that they indeed signed the Minsk agreements, but they never intended to implement them. | ||
| They simply let us by the nose. | ||
| Was there anyone for you to talk to? | ||
| Did you call a U.S. | ||
| US president, secretary of state and say, if you keep militarizing Ukraine with NATO forces, this is gonna get, this is gonna be a, we're gonna act. - We talked about this all the time. we're gonna act. - We talked about this all the We addressed the United States and European countries' leadership to stop these developments immediately, to implement the Minsk agreements. | ||
| Frankly speaking, I didn't know how we were going to do this, but I was ready to implement them. | ||
| These agreements were complicated for Ukraine. | ||
| They included lots of elements of those Donbass territories' independence. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| However, I was absolutely confident, and I'm saying this to you now. | ||
| I honestly believe that if we managed to convince the residents of Donbass, and we had to work hard to convince them to return to the Ukrainian statehood, then, gradually, the wounds would start to heal. | ||
| When this part of territory reintegrated itself into common social environment, when the pensions and social benefits were paid again, all the pieces would gradually fall into place. | ||
| No, nobody wanted that. | ||
| Everybody wanted to resolve the issue by military force only. | ||
| But we could not let that happen. | ||
| And the situation got to the point when the Ukrainian side announced, no, we will not do anything. | ||
| They also started preparing for military action. | ||
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It was they who started the war in 2014. | |
| Our goal is to stop this war. | ||
| And we did not start this war in 2022. | ||
| This is an attempt to stop it. | ||
| Do you think you've stopped it now? | ||
| I mean, have you achieved your aims? | ||
| No, we haven't achieved our aims yet, because one of them is denazification. | ||
| This means the prohibition of all kinds of neo-Nazi movements. | ||
| This is one of the problems that we discussed during the negotiation process, which ended in Istanbul early this year. | ||
| And it was not our initiative, because we were told by the Europeans in particular that it was necessary to create conditions for the final signing of the documents. | ||
| My counterparts in France and Germany said, How can you imagine them signing a treaty with a gun to their heads? | ||
| The troops should be pulled back from Kiev. | ||
| I said, all right. | ||
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We withdrew the troops from Kiev. | |
| As soon as we pulled back our troops from Kiev, our Ukrainian negotiators immediately threw all our agreements reached in Istanbul into the bin. | ||
| And got prepared for a long-standing armed confrontation with the help of the United States and its satellites in Europe. | ||
| That is how the situation has developed. | ||
| And that is how it looks now. | ||
| But what is, pardon my English, what is denazification? | ||
| What would that mean? | ||
| That is what I want to talk about right now. | ||
| It is a very important issue. | ||
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De-nazification. | |
| After gaining independence, Ukraine began to search as some western analyst... It's a lot of yapping, okay? | ||
| I just want to point out a lot of yapping. | ||
| Which is fine. | ||
| You know, we want to hear from the man himself. | ||
| But we're an hour in. | ||
| Tucker's not even really talking at all. | ||
| It's kind of just... Tucker said at the beginning that he initially thought it was a filibuster, but it turned out not to be, which, you know, I think all of this is... Like Putin said, it's not supposed to be blood sports. | ||
| It's not supposed to be political soap opera. | ||
| sort of talk. | ||
| But man, Yappersville. | ||
| We're getting a lot of deep background on this. | ||
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Here we go. | |
| Hour two. | ||
| Hour two of the interview. | ||
| I wonder if there's anything at the end, if Tucker gives any closing thoughts. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's just this. | ||
| It's identity. | ||
| And it came up with nothing better than to build this identity upon some false heroes who collaborated with Hitler. | ||
| I've already said that I have already said that in the early 19th century, when the theorists of independence and sovereignty of Ukraine appeared, they assumed that an independent Ukraine should have very good relations with Russia. | ||
| But due to the historical development, those territories were part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Poland, where Ukrainians were persecuted and treated quite brutally as well as were subject to cruel behavior. | ||
| There were also attempts to destroy their identity. | ||
| All this remained in the memory of the people. | ||
| When World War II broke out, part of this extremely nationalist elite collaborated with Hitler, believing that he would bring them freedom. | ||
| The German troops, even the SS troops, made Hitler's collaborators do the dirtiest work of exterminating the Polish and Jewish population. | ||
| hence this brutal massacre of the Polish and Jewish population, as well as the Russian population too. | ||
| This was led by the persons who are well-known, Bandera, Shukhevich. | ||
| It was those people who were made national heroes. | ||
| That is the problem. | ||
| And we are constantly told that nationalism and neo-Nazism exist in other countries as well. | ||
| Yes, they are seedlings, but we uproot them. | ||
| And other countries fight against them. | ||
| But Ukraine is not the case. | ||
| These people have been made into national heroes in Ukraine. | ||
| Monuments to those people have been erected. | ||
| They are displayed on flags. | ||
| Their names are shouted by crowds that walk with torches, as it was in Nazi Germany. | ||
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They are on the flag. | |
| They call their names. | ||
| These were people who exterminated Poles, Jews and Russians. | ||
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These were people who were killed – Poles, Jews and Russians. | |
| It is necessary to stop this practice and prevent the dissemination of this concept. | ||
| I say that Ukrainians are part of the one Russian people. | ||
| They say, no, we are a separate people. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| If they consider themselves a separate people, they have the right to do so, but not on the basis of Nazism, the Nazi ideology. | ||
| Would you be satisfied with the territory that you have now? | ||
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No, no, we'll finish. | |
| You asked a question about neo-nazism and denazification. | ||
| I will finish answering the question. | ||
| You just asked a question about neo-nazism and denazification. | ||
| Look, the president of Ukraine visited Canada. | ||
| The story is well known. | ||
| Alright, you're just yapping. | ||
| It's not even charming anymore. | ||
| Now it's just like... Bruh, you're just yapping. | ||
| And the Nazi stuff is just lame and a fake justification. | ||
| I mean, I recognize there is an element of this Galician far-right. | ||
| So he's not wrong about that, but the idea that that is one of the primary or even secondary causes of the war, it just isn't. | ||
| It's about territory. | ||
| It's about NATO expansion. | ||
| It is about intermediate-range ballistic missiles. | ||
| It's about those things. | ||
| It is not about Nazi ideology. | ||
| I mean, let's just be honest. | ||
| So I mean, to me, that's just, that's a little extra that they're throwing in. | ||
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So I don't think it's particularly important, actually. | |
| The Canadian Parliament introduced a man who, as the Speaker of the Parliament said, fought against the Russians during the World War II. | ||
| Well, who fought against the Russians during the World War II? | ||
| Hitler and his accomplices. | ||
| It turned out that this man served in the SS troops. | ||
| He personally killed Russians, Poles and Jews. | ||
| The SS troops consisted of Ukrainian nationalists who did this dirty work. | ||
| The President of Ukraine stood up with the entire Parliament of Canada and applauded this man. | ||
| How can this be imagined? | ||
| The President of Ukraine himself, by the way, is a Jew by nationality. | ||
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Listen to me. | |
| - Really my question is what do you do about it? | ||
| I mean, Hitler's been dead for 80 years, Nazi Germany no longer exists. | ||
| And so, true. | ||
| And so I think what you're saying is you want to extinguish or at least control Ukrainian nationalism, but how, how do you do that? - Listen to me. | ||
| Your question is very subtle, and I can tell you what I think. | ||
| Do not take offense. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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This question appears to be subtle. | |
| This question appears to be subtle. | ||
| It is quite pesky. | ||
| You say Hitler has been dead for so many years, 80 years. | ||
| But his example lives on. | ||
| People who exterminated Jews, Russians and Poles are alive. | ||
| And the President, the current President of today's Ukraine, applauds him in the Canadian Parliament, gives a standing ovation. | ||
| Can we say that we have completely uprooted this ideology, if what we see is happening today? | ||
| But then they disavowed it. | ||
| Like the idea that the West is Nazis. | ||
| Give me a break. | ||
| Canada is controlled by Jews. | ||
| The United States is controlled by Jews. | ||
| Western Europe is controlled by Jews. | ||
| And homosexuality is tolerated. | ||
| And the lowest IQ, fat, ugly people Are elevated in the society. | ||
| So how does it in any way shape or form resemble Nazi ideology? | ||
| If he says, well, you know, have they have they really repudiated or he says imputed Nazi ideology if they applauded this Galician general? | ||
| They did it by accident. | ||
| Give me a break. | ||
| This is just like Fox News tier. | ||
| This is like Sean Han- I was much more comfortable with the history lesson about the first 1,000 years of Russian history than this Sean Han, the Dinesh D'Souza. | ||
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Hey, though, Justin Trudeau wore blackface and they applauded a Galician officer. | |
| Really, bruh? | ||
| This sucks. | ||
| I wish, bruh. | ||
| I wish they were... If they were applauding Nazis, hey, maybe I'd be happy. | ||
| I would be there. | ||
| Not that I am a Nazi, but I mean, you know, I'm the guy that says, hey, I love Hitler, and Holocaust was embellished, and there's a Jewish conspiracy. | ||
| They're not applauding me! | ||
| So, as a matter of fact, the Ukrainians want to kill me. | ||
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Right. | |
| My question was a little more specific. | ||
| denazification is in our understanding. | ||
| We have to get rid of those people who maintain this concept and support this practice and try to preserve it. | ||
| That is what denazification is. | ||
| That is what we mean. | ||
| Right. | ||
| My question is a little more specific. | ||
| It was, of course, not a defense of Nazis, neo or otherwise. | ||
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It's... | |
| It was a practical question. | ||
| You don't control the entire country. | ||
| You don't control Kiev. | ||
| You don't seem like you want to. | ||
| So how do you eliminate a culture or an ideology or feelings or a view of history in a country that you don't control? | ||
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What do you do about that? | |
| You know, as strange as it may seem to you, during the negotiations in Istanbul, we did agree that we have it all in writing: neo-Nazism would not be cultivated in Ukraine, we did agree that we have it all in writing: neo-Nazism would not be cultivated in Ukraine, including that it Mr. Carson, we agreed on that. | ||
| This, it turns out, can be done during the negotiation process. | ||
| And there's nothing humiliating for Ukraine as a modern civilized state. | ||
| Is any state allowed to promote Nazism? | ||
| It is not, is it? | ||
| That is it. | ||
| Will there be talks, and why haven't there been talks, about resolving the conflict in Ukraine? | ||
| peace talks. | ||
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There have been. | |
| They reached a very high stage of coordination of positions in a complex process, but still they were almost finalized. | ||
| But after we withdrew our troops from Kiev, as I have already said, the other side threw away all these agreements and obeyed the instructions of Western countries, European countries and the United States to fight Russia to the bitter end. | ||
| Moreover, the President of Ukraine has legislated a ban on negotiating with Russia. | ||
| He signed a decree forbidding everyone to negotiate with Russia. | ||
| But how are we going to negotiate if he forbade himself and everyone to do this? | ||
| We know that he is putting forward some ideas about this settlement. | ||
| But in order to agree on something, we need to have a dialogue. | ||
| Is that not right? | ||
| Well, but you wouldn't be speaking to the Ukrainian president, you'd be speaking to the American president. | ||
| When was the last time you spoke to Joe Biden? | ||
| I cannot remember when I talked to him. | ||
| I do not remember. | ||
| We can look it up. | ||
| You don't remember? | ||
| No. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Do I have to remember everything? | ||
| I have my own things to do. | ||
| I have domestic political affairs. | ||
| Well, he's funding the war that you're fighting, so I would think that would be memorable. | ||
| Well, yes, he funds, but I talked to him before the special military operation, of course. | ||
| And I said to him then, by the way, I will not go into details, I never do, but I said to him then, I believe that you are making a huge mistake of historic proportions by supporting everything that is happening there, in Ukraine, by pushing Russia away. | ||
| I told him, told him repeatedly, by the way. | ||
| I think that would be correct if I stop here. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| Ask him, please. | ||
| It is easier for you. | ||
| You are a citizen of the United States. | ||
| Go and ask him. | ||
| It is not appropriate for me to comment on our conversation. | ||
| But you haven't spoken to him since before February of 2022. | ||
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No, we haven't spoken. | |
| Certain contacts are being maintained, though. | ||
| Speaking of which, Do you remember what I told you about my proposal to work together on a missile defense system? | ||
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Yes. | |
| You can ask all of them. | ||
| All of them are safe and sound, thank God. | ||
| The former president, Condoleezza, is safe and sound, and I think Mr. Gates and the current director of the intelligence agency, Mr. Burns, the then ambassador to Russia, in my opinion, are very successful ambassadors. | ||
| They were all witnesses to these conversations. | ||
| Ask them. | ||
| Same here. | ||
| If you are interested in what Mr. President Biden responded to me, ask him. | ||
| At any rate, I'd talk to him about it. | ||
| I'm definitely interested, but from the outside, it seems like this could devolve or evolve into something that brings the entire world into conflict and could Really? | ||
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That's the question? | |
| Seems like we're headed towards a freaking nuclear war. | ||
| Why don't you call them up? | ||
| Do you think that's how these things work? | ||
| They're at war with each other. | ||
| People don't do that in like a high school relationship. | ||
| And there's a fight. | ||
| You don't pick up the phone. | ||
| You know, you don't send the first text. | ||
| You don't send a risky text. | ||
| But two heads of state of rival superpowers engaged. | ||
| What's there to work out? | ||
| It's very simple, I repeat. | ||
| direct conflict as you can get, they're going to pick up the phone and say: "Hey, man, let's just put our differences aside. | ||
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What planet are you on, man?" What's there to work out? | |
| It's very simple. | ||
| I repeat, we have contacts through various agencies. | ||
| I will tell you what we are saying on this matter and what we are conveying to the US leadership. | ||
| If you really want to stop fighting, you need to stop supplying weapons. | ||
| It will be over within a few weeks. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And then we can agree on some terms. | ||
| Before you do that, stop. | ||
| What's easier? | ||
| Why would I call him? | ||
| What should I talk to him about? | ||
| Or beg him for what? | ||
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And what messages do you get back? | |
| You're going to deliver such and such weapons to Ukraine? | ||
| Oh, I'm afraid, I'm afraid, please don't! | ||
| What is there to talk about? | ||
| Do you think NATO is worried about this becoming a global war or a nuclear conflict? | ||
| At least, that's what they're talking about. | ||
| And they're trying to intimidate their own population with an imaginary Russian threat. | ||
| This is an obvious fact. | ||
| And thinking people, not philistines, but thinking people, analysts, those who are engaged in real politics, just smart people, understand perfectly well that this is a fake. | ||
| They're trying to fuel the Russian threat. | ||
| The threat I think you're referring to is a Russian invasion of Poland, Latvia, expansionist behavior. | ||
| Can you imagine a scenario where you sent Russian troops to Poland? | ||
| Only in one case: if Poland attacks Russia. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because we have no interest in Poland, Latvia or anywhere else. | ||
| Why would we do that? | ||
| We simply don't have any interest. | ||
| It's just threat mongering. | ||
| Well, the argument, I know you know this, is that, well, he invaded Ukraine, he has territorial names across the continent, and you're saying unequivocally you don't. | ||
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It is absolutely out of the question. | |
| You just don't have to be any kind of analyst. | ||
| It goes against common sense to get involved in some kind of a global war. | ||
| And a global war will bring all humanity to the brink of destruction. | ||
| It's obvious. | ||
| There are certainly means of deterrence. | ||
| They have been scaring everyone with us all along. | ||
| Tomorrow Russia will use tactical nuclear weapons. | ||
| Tomorrow Russia will use that. | ||
| No, the day after tomorrow. | ||
| So what? | ||
| In order to extort additional money from US taxpayers and European taxpayers in the confrontation with Russia in the Ukrainian theater of war. | ||
| The goal is to weaken Russia as much as possible. | ||
| One of our senior United States senators from the state of New York, Chuck Schumer, said yesterday, I believe, that we have to continue to fund the Ukrainian effort or U.S. soldiers, citizens could wind up fighting there. | ||
| How do you assess that? | ||
| This is a provocation and a cheap provocation at that. | ||
| I do not understand why American soldiers should fight in Ukraine. | ||
| There are mercenaries from the United States there. | ||
| The bigger number of mercenaries comes from Poland, with mercenaries from the United States in second place, and mercenaries from Georgia in third place. | ||
| Well, if somebody has the desire to send regular troops, that would certainly bring humanity to the brink of very serious global conflict. | ||
| This is obvious. | ||
| Do the United States need this? | ||
| What for? | ||
| Thousands of miles away from your national territory. | ||
| Don't you have anything better to do? | ||
| You have issues on the border, issues with migration, issues with the national debt, more than 33 trillion dollars. | ||
| You have nothing better to do so you should fight in Ukraine? | ||
| Wouldn't it be better to negotiate with Russia? | ||
| Make an agreement, already understanding the situation that is developing today, realizing that Russia will fight for its interests to the end? | ||
| And realizing this, actually return to common sense, start respecting our country and its interests, and look for certain solutions? | ||
| It seems to me that this is much smarter and more rational. | ||
| Who blew up Nord Stream? | ||
| You for sure. | ||
| I was busy that day. | ||
| I did not blow up Nord Stream. | ||
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Thank you though. | |
| You personally may have an alibi, but the CIA has no such alibi. | ||
| Did you have evidence that NATO or the CIA did it? | ||
| You know, I won't get into details, but people always say in such cases, look for someone who is interested. | ||
| But in this case, we should not only look for someone who is interested, but also for someone who has capabilities. | ||
| Because there may be many people interested, but not all of them are capable of sinking to the bottom of the Baltic Sea and carrying out this explosion. | ||
| These two components should be connected. | ||
| Who is interested, and who is capable of doing it? | ||
| But I'm confused. | ||
| I mean, that's the biggest act of industrial terrorism ever, and it's the largest emission of CO2 in history. | ||
| Okay, so if you had evidence, and presumably given your security services, your intel services, you would, that NATO, the US, CIA, the West did this, why wouldn't you present it and win a propaganda victory? | ||
| In the war of propaganda, it is very difficult to defeat the United States, because the United States controls all the world's media and many European media. | ||
| The ultimate beneficiary of the biggest European media are American financial institutions. | ||
| Don't you know that? | ||
| So, it is possible to get involved in this work, but it is cost-prohibitive, so to speak. | ||
| We can simply shine the spotlight on our sources of information and we will not achieve results. | ||
| It is clear to the whole world what happened and even American analysts talk about it directly. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But here's a question you may be able to answer. | ||
| You worked in Germany, famously. | ||
| The Germans clearly know that their NATO partner did this. | ||
| But they, and it damaged their economy greatly, it may never recover. | ||
| Why are they being silent about it? | ||
| That's very confusing to me. | ||
| Why wouldn't the Germans say something about it? | ||
| This also confuses me. | ||
| But today's German leadership is guided by the interests of the collective West rather than its national interests. | ||
| Otherwise, it is difficult to explain the logic of their action or inaction. | ||
| After all, it is not only about Nord Stream 1 which was blown up and the Nord Stream 2 was damaged. | ||
| But one pipe is safe and sound and gas can be supplied to Europe through it. | ||
| But Germany does not open it. | ||
| We're ready, please. | ||
| There's another route through Poland, called Yamal-Europe, which also allows for a large flow. | ||
| Poland has closed it, but Poland packs from the German hand, it receives money from the pan-European funds, and Germany is the main donor to these pan-European funds. | ||
| Germany feeds Poland to a certain extent. | ||
| And they close their route to Germany. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Ukraine to which the Germans supply weapons and give money. | ||
| Germany is the second sponsor of the United States in terms of financial aid to Ukraine. | ||
| There are two gas routes through Ukraine. | ||
| They simply closed one route. | ||
| The Ukrainians opened the second route and, please, get gas from Russia. | ||
| They do not open it. | ||
| Why don't the Germans say? | ||
| Look, guys, we give you money and weapons, open up the valve, please, let the gas from Russia pass through for us. | ||
| We're buying liquefied gas at exorbitant prices in Europe, which brings the level of our competitiveness and economy in general down to zero. | ||
| Do you want us to give you money? | ||
| Let us have the decent existence, make money for our economy, because this is where the money we give you comes from. | ||
| They refuse to do so. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Ask them. | ||
| That is what is like in their heads. | ||
| Those are highly incompetent people. | ||
| Well, maybe the world is breaking into two hemispheres, one with cheap energy, the other without. | ||
| And I want to ask you that. | ||
| If we're now a multipolar world, obviously we are. | ||
| Can you describe the blocks of alliances? | ||
| Who is in each side, do you think? | ||
| Listen, you have said that the world is breaking into two hemispheres. | ||
| A human brain is divided into two hemispheres. | ||
| One is responsible for one type of activities, the other one is more about creativity and so on. | ||
| But it is still one and the same head. | ||
| The world should be a single whole. | ||
| Security should be shared rather than meant for the golden billion. | ||
| That is the only scenario where the world could be stable, sustainable and predictable. | ||
| Until then, while the head is split in two parts, it is an illness, a serious adverse condition. | ||
| It is a period of severe disease that the world is going through now. | ||
| But I think that thanks to honest journalism, this work is akin to work of the doctors. | ||
| This could somehow be remedied. | ||
| Well, let's just give one example. | ||
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That's a good answer. | |
| The U.S. | ||
| dollar, which has kind of united the world in a lot of ways. | ||
| Maybe not to your advantage, but certainly not. | ||
| Everyone in the chat is saying L. People are saying L, that's globalism. | ||
| I like that answer. | ||
| I think it's an interesting analogy. | ||
| Wow, you guys don't like Putin. | ||
| Is this because, uh, what do the Groypers think? | ||
| I feel like it's a lot of, like, rumble boomers in here don't like Putin. | ||
| What do the Groypers think? | ||
| People are saying Jew talk. | ||
| That's Jew talk, somebody says. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think so at all. | ||
| I think that, uh, I think there should be global stability and global security. | ||
| I don't think that's necessarily globalism. | ||
| Because globalism Is the idea that you have no borders or that you have a global sovereign, which is not what he's saying. | ||
| He's talking about global cooperation as distinct and separate nationalities with sovereignty, which is what Russia is exerting right now. | ||
| So I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that. | ||
| Do we have to be in a constant state of ideological or conflict or security competition for it not to be globalism? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
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Interesting. | |
| Live chat doesn't agree. | ||
| Live chat doesn't like... | ||
| Is that going away as the reserve currency, the universally accepted currency? | ||
| How have sanctions, do you think, changed the dollar's place in the world? | ||
| You know, to use the dollar as a tool of foreign policy struggle is one of the biggest strategic mistakes made by the U.S. political leadership. | ||
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Dollar – это основа основ могущества США. - Yeah. | |
| The dollar is the cornerstone of the United States' power. | ||
| I think everyone understands very well that no matter how many dollars are printed, they are quickly dispersed all over the world. | ||
| Inflation in the United States is minimal. | ||
| It's about 3 or 3.4 percent, which is, I think, totally acceptable for the US. | ||
| But they won't stop printing. | ||
| What does the debt of 33 trillion dollars tell us about? | ||
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It is about the emission. | |
| Nevertheless, it is the main weapon used by the United States to preserve its power across the world. | ||
| As soon as the political leadership decided to use the US dollar as a tool of political struggle, a blow was dealt to this American power. | ||
| I would not like to use any strong language, but it is a stupid thing to do and a grave mistake. | ||
| Look at what is going on in the world. | ||
| Even the United States allies are now downsizing their dollar reserves. | ||
| Seeing this, everyone starts looking for ways to protect themselves. | ||
| But the fact that the United States applies restrictive measures to certain countries, such as placing restrictions on transactions, freezing assets, etc., causes great concern and sends a signal to the whole world. | ||
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Okay, hang on. | |
| So I want to cut in here with some live commentary. | ||
| We're getting some very unfavorable reactions to this interview from our leading intellectuals of America First. | ||
| We have a take here from Richard Spencer. | ||
| Richard Spencer's reaction is the following. | ||
| He writes, The possibility I never considered was that this interview would be unfavorable towards Putin. | ||
| Who can take this tedious, passive-aggressive old man seriously? | ||
| Thoughts? | ||
| Press 1 if you agree, 2 if you disagree. | ||
| This is Richard Spencer's take. | ||
| He says that Putin is a tedious, passive-aggressive old man. | ||
| 1 if you agree, 2 if you disagree. | ||
| That's Richard Spencer. | ||
| A lot of twos, a lot of people disagree. | ||
| Don't just glaze Putin, think about it critically, actually. | ||
| So a lot of twos, a lot of disagreement with this take. | ||
| Well, here's another one, alright? | ||
| Pause. | ||
| This is the take from Richard Hanania, the Asperger's incel. | ||
| He writes, I'm a Tucker interview with Putin. | ||
| I'm glad that we got to see this because it revealed how out of touch Putin is. | ||
| Tucker begins with a simple question of what the threat was on February 2022. | ||
| Putin's response spends half an hour on the entire history of Russia. | ||
| We're used to people in the Middle East talking like this, an obsession with deep history as the characteristic of cultures that fight wars that never end. | ||
| No one even in the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine wants to be part of Russia. | ||
| Modern people care about their own lives and freedom and want a vision of the future. | ||
| That's what Ukraine and the West offer, not endless lectures from a grumpy uncle on how Vlad Vladimirovich sent love letters to Svetlana the Elegant in 1207 and why this proves that Russians and Ukrainians are one people. | ||
| When talking about geopolitics, the deeper someone goes in history, the more disconnected they are from modern reality, and the less likely they are to be a rational actor who can be negotiated with. | ||
| Putin had arguments he could have started with about the U.S. | ||
| interfering in Russian affairs, but he's deranged enough to think that leading with a lecture on the history of Slavic people is how you sell a war in the 21st century. | ||
| One, if you agree. | ||
| Two, if you disagree with Richard Hanania. | ||
| That's the Richard Hanania take. | ||
| One, if you agree. | ||
| Two, if you disagree. | ||
| And we'll see, what is the reaction to that? | ||
| One, if you agree. | ||
| Two, if you disagree with Richard Hanania. | ||
| Everyone disagrees with this as well. | ||
| Everyone disagrees. | ||
| Glazing Putin. | ||
| I'll give my take at the very end of the interview. | ||
| I want to listen to the whole thing. | ||
| I want to give him a shot. | ||
| I want to give him a chance. | ||
| Because it's... The interview's two hours, seven minutes. | ||
| It hasn't even been two hours since it was published. | ||
| Lot of twos there. | ||
| Everyone disagrees. | ||
| And finally, last, certainly not least, Keith Woods. | ||
| Keith Woods writes the following. | ||
| Watching the Putin interview and just thinking what a missed opportunity it was for him, Tucker's audience is willing to hear an honest case based on national sovereignty and mutual respect, and instead get a long history lecture, a very abstract case for Russian revanchism, and boomer nonsense about the West being sympathetic to Nazism. | ||
| Three very different people coming from three very different places, but all negative. | ||
| Spencer is pro-NATO, pro-West, pro-Ukraine. | ||
| Hanania is more sympathetic to liberalism. | ||
| I don't know that he's necessarily drinking the Kool-Aid on Ukraine. | ||
| Keith Woods, very critical, very skeptical of NATO. | ||
| European Union in the West. | ||
| What if you agree? | ||
| Everyone agrees with that. | ||
| It's so funny. | ||
| They all shit on Putin, but everybody agrees with Keith. | ||
| I think Keith has a very reasonable take on this. | ||
| So everybody, a lot of ones in the chat near universal agreement with Keith. | ||
| Okay, one more. | ||
| Let's do one more. | ||
| James Kirkpatrick, who I'm a huge fan of. | ||
| He writes for VDare and a brilliant speaker. | ||
| This is the last one and then we'll continue on. | ||
| He writes, Putin's mistake is thinking a Western audience will know or care about the history of Eastern Europe. | ||
| The high IQ, politically influential population in this country is more likely to fall into hysteria over the history of Panem or Gilead than anything that actually happened. | ||
| So that's true. | ||
| A cynical take from VDare's James Kirkpatrick. | ||
| I think that's all the hot takes from my favorites. | ||
| Brant posted a selfie in the Vultures shirt, so you got that. | ||
| What else? | ||
| Indian Bronson! | ||
| Most reflexively, anti-Putin Americans are too young, too ignorant, and too low an attention span to get any of this. | ||
| Putin has been paying close attention for 30 years. | ||
| They barely remember pre-COVID. | ||
| Putin invokes Rurik and Yaroslav territories of the Polish-Lithuanian Duchy. | ||
| vs. the Mongols vs. Kievan Rus' regarding formation of ethnic identity before not just the Soviet Union but the Russian Empire. | ||
| Americans struggle to name the last 10 presidents sequentially. | ||
| Putin becomes emotionally labile about U.S.-sponsored governments which attacked Russians in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. | ||
| Americans once seriously considered for the presidency a man who scornfully viewed being asked about Uzbeki Becky Stan Stan as an unfair test of trivia facts. | ||
| Putin is not merely willing but eager to talk about the minutiae of agreements to resolve conflicts between Russia and Ukraine in 2014. | ||
| He thinks about the world in terms of official documents. | ||
| Americans live in a culture suffused by irony, innuendo, and meta-referential sarcasm. | ||
| That's such a dub. | ||
| I have no doubt Putin's view of Russian national integrity, to whatever extent it remains materially or politically viable, grants him even use of nuclear weapons. | ||
| American populism is currently engaged in surrender to transgenderism because it's champions endorses a beer company. | ||
| So, some critical, some supportive. | ||
| That's the view of Richard Spencer, Richard Hanadia, Keith Woods, James Kirkpatrick, and Indian Bronson. | ||
| Those are some people I follow. | ||
| Just a little survey on the timeline. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
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And... | |
| I don't know how I feel about it. | ||
| I actually have to think about it a little bit. | ||
| I tend to be sympathetic to what Keith Woods said, which is, and Richard Spencer as well, which is that this is very tedious. | ||
| And I think that this was an opportunity for a mass audience or a more conservative audience that watches Tucker Carlson, for a sympathetic audience in the West for what Putin has to argue about this. | ||
| And I think that although it is true that all of this is very rich and profound and deep, it is kind of over everybody's head in the West. | ||
| And so, you know, you can say on the one hand that Putin is correct, mostly, and you could say that it's not tedious but thorough. | ||
| At the same time, you can also say that it fails the audience and misses the mark here because They framed it in the beginning. | ||
| Putin said, is this a serious conversation or is this like your political show? | ||
| If you want a serious conversation, here's a dissertation. | ||
| Here's a thorough and serious and subtle treatment of the subject. | ||
| But I don't know that that was necessarily the best play here. | ||
| What is he trying to accomplish? | ||
| I think it's over the heads even of the American elite, let alone the base American population. | ||
| So, I think it's a good interview. | ||
| I think that it's insightful, but I don't know how many Americans will feel the same way. | ||
| I think it's over their heads. | ||
| I mean, it took an hour even to get into the modern conflict, and I don't even think he chose the most compelling arguments. | ||
| So, I mean, you can... | ||
| You can resent the fact that it's above everybody's heads, but it is. | ||
| That's just the reality. | ||
| Looks like Joe Biden is giving an address. | ||
| Let's take a look, see if we can pull that up. | ||
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Whoops! | |
| I don't know what this is. | ||
| How did that get there? | ||
| I have no idea what this is. | ||
| Let's just get out of there real quick, because I'm super confused by what we just saw. | ||
| All right, so let's see. | ||
| Biden is about to speak. | ||
| So we're going to interrupt the Putin interview very quickly. | ||
| we'll see what this speech is even about. | ||
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We'll keep this open. | |
| You got to let me know in the live chat when he goes live, okay? | ||
| And then we'll transition over to this. | ||
| Has this started yet? | ||
| You're supposed to start five minutes ago. | ||
| But it's about the special counsel. | ||
| Special counsel report released Thursday found evidence that President Biden willfully retained and shared highly classified information as a private citizen, including about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, concluded criminal charges are not warranted. | ||
| So maybe the press conference is about that or something else. | ||
| I'm getting reports he's live. | ||
| Well, we're watching it right now. | ||
| Now he's not live. | ||
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So let me know. | |
| What did we have here? | ||
| Until 2022, about 80% of Russian foreign trade transactions were made in US dollars and euros. USD. | ||
| dollars accounted for approximately 50% of our transactions with third countries, while currently it is down to 13%. | ||
| It wasn't us who banned the use of the U.S. | ||
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dollar. | |
| We had no such intention. | ||
| It was decision of the United States to restrict our transactions in U.S. | ||
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dollars. | |
| I think it is complete foolishness from the point of view of the interests of the United States itself and its taxpayers, as it damages the U.S. | ||
| economy, undermines the power of the United States across the world. | ||
| By the way, our transactions in yuan accounted for about 3%. | ||
| Today 34% of our transactions are made in rubles and about as much, a little over 34% in yuan. | ||
| Why did the United States do this? | ||
| My only guess is self-conceit. | ||
| They probably thought it would lead to full collapse, but nothing collapsed. | ||
| Moreover, other countries, including oil producers, are thinking of and already accepting payments for oil in yuan. | ||
| Do you even realize what is going on or not? | ||
| Does anyone in the United States realize this? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| You're cutting yourself off. | ||
| All experts say this. | ||
| Ask any intelligent and thinking person in the United States what the dollar means for the US. | ||
| You're killing it with your own hands. | ||
| I think that's a fair assessment. | ||
| The question is what comes next, and maybe you trade one colonial power for another much less sentimental and forgiving colonial power. | ||
| I mean, is the Brits, for example, in danger of being completely dominated by the Chinese, the Chinese economy, in a way that's not good for their sovereignty? | ||
| Do you worry about that? | ||
| We have heard those boogeyman stories before. | ||
| It is a boogeyman story. | ||
| We're neighbors with China. | ||
| You cannot choose neighbors just as you cannot choose close relatives. | ||
| We share a border of thousand kilometers with them. | ||
| This is number one. | ||
| Second, we have a centuries-long history of coexistence. | ||
| We're used to it. | ||
| Third, China's foreign policy philosophy is not aggressive. | ||
| Its idea is to always look for compromise, and we can see that. | ||
| The next point is as follows. | ||
| We are always told the same boogeyman's story. | ||
| And here it goes again. | ||
| Through an euphemistic form, but it is still the same boogeyman's story. | ||
| The cooperation with China keeps increasing. | ||
| The pace at which China's cooperation with Europe is growing is higher and greater than that of the growth of Chinese-Russian cooperation. | ||
| Ask Europeans, aren't they afraid? | ||
| They might be, I don't know. | ||
| But they are still trying to access China's market at all costs, especially now that they are facing economic problems. | ||
| Chinese businesses are also exploring the European market. | ||
| Do Chinese businesses have small presence in the United States? | ||
| Yes, the political decisions are such that they are trying to limit their cooperation with China. | ||
| It is to your own detriment, Mr. Tucker, that you are limiting cooperation with China. | ||
| You are hurting yourself. | ||
| It is a delicate matter, and there are no silver bullet solutions, just as it is with the dollar. | ||
| So, before introducing any illegitimate sanctions, illegitimate in terms of the Charter of the United Nations, one should think very carefully, for decision-makers this appears to be a problem. | ||
| So, you said a moment ago that the world would be a lot better if it weren't broken into competing alliances, if there was cooperation globally. | ||
| One of the reasons you don't have that is because the current American administration is dead set against you. | ||
| Do you think if there were a new administration after Joe Biden that you would be able to reestablish communication with the U.S. | ||
| government? | ||
| or does it not matter who the president is? | ||
| I will tell you, But let me finish the previous thought. | ||
| We, together with my colleague and friend, President Xi Jinping, set a goal to reach 200 billion dollars of mutual trade with China this year. | ||
| We have exceeded this level. | ||
| According to our figures, our bilateral trade with China totals already 230 billion, and the Chinese statistics says it is 240 billion dollars. | ||
| One more important thing. | ||
| Our trade is well balanced, mutually complementary in high-tech, energy, scientific research and development. | ||
| It is very balanced. | ||
| As for BRICS, where Russia took over the presidency this year, the BRICS countries are, by and large, developing very rapidly. | ||
| People are saying Biden is live. | ||
| Let's take a look. | ||
| Do we have it? | ||
| That's what they had on their hands with this document. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Some are saying that maybe he is going to say that he won't run for re-election. | ||
| That's what some are saying, but I don't... | ||
| No, if that's true, obviously. | ||
| So we'll see. | ||
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The quote from one of those here... Stop punking me! | |
| Everybody in the chat is saying that he's live. | ||
| You gotta let me know for real when he goes live. | ||
| Look, if memory serves me right, back in 1992 the share of the G7 countries in the world economy amounted to 47%, whereas in 2022 it was down to, I think, a whereas in 2022 it was down to, I think, a little over 30%. | ||
| The BRICS countries accounted for only 16% in 1992. | ||
| But now their share is greater than that of the G7. | ||
| It has nothing to do with the events in Ukraine. | ||
| This is due to the trends of global development and world economy as I mentioned just now. | ||
| And this is inevitable. | ||
| This will keep happening. | ||
| It is like the rise of the sun. | ||
| You cannot prevent the sun from rising. | ||
| You have to adapt to it. | ||
| How do the United States adapt? | ||
| With the help of force, sanctions, pressure, bombings and use of armed forces. | ||
| This is about self-conceit. | ||
| Your political establishment does not understand that the world is changing under objective circumstances. | ||
| And in order to preserve your level, even if someone aspires, pardon me, to the level of dominance, you have to make the right decisions in a competent and timely manner. | ||
| Such brutal actions, including with regard to Russia, and, say, other countries, are counterproductive. | ||
| This is an obvious fact. | ||
| It has already become evident. | ||
| You just asked me if another leader comes and changes something. | ||
| It is not about the leader. | ||
| It is not about the personality of a particular person. | ||
| I had a very good relationship with, say, Bush. | ||
| I know that in the United States he was portrayed as some kind of a country boy who does not understand much. | ||
| I assure you that this is not the case. | ||
| I think he made a lot of mistakes with regard to. | ||
| All right, people are saying Biden's live. | ||
| Don't be punking me this time. | ||
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The dates of when his son Bob. | |
| Okay, you have to tell me when he goes live, but for real, stop capping. | ||
| Everybody in the chat, Biden's live, he's not live. | ||
| Alright, someone in my group chats is gonna have to tell me. | ||
| Oh wait, no, here we go, okay. | ||
| Yeah, nice try. | ||
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Let me say a few things before I take your questions. | |
| As you know, the special counsel released his findings today about their look into my handling of classified documents. | ||
| I was pleased to see he reached a firm conclusion. | ||
| that no charges should be brought against me in this case. | ||
| This was an exhaustive investigation going back more than 40 years, even in the 1970s when I was still a new United States Senator. | ||
| The special counsel acknowledged I cooperated completely I did not throw up any roadblocks. | ||
| I sought no delays. | ||
| In fact, I was so determined to give the special counsel what he needed, I went forward with a five-hour in-person interview over two days on October the 8th and 9th of last year, even though Israel had just been attacked by Hamas on the 7th and I was very occupied. | ||
| I was in the middle of handling an international crisis. | ||
| I was especially pleased to see Special Counsel make clear the stark distinction and difference between this case and Mr. Trump's case. | ||
| Special Counsel wrote, and I quote, several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear. | ||
| Continuing to quote, most notably, after giving multiple chances to return classified documents to avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. | ||
| According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. | ||
| In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations, including his home, sat for a voluntary interview, and in other ways cooperated with the investigation." I've seen the headlines since the report was released about my willful retention of documents. | ||
| These assertions are not only misleading, they're just plain wrong. | ||
| On page 215, if you had a chance, I know it's a long, it's a thick document. | ||
| On page 215, the report of the special counsel found the exact opposite. | ||
| Here's what he wrote. | ||
| There is in fact a shortage of evidence that I willfully retain classified materials related to Afghanistan. | ||
| On page 12, the special counsel also wrote, for in other documents, the decision to decline criminal charges was straightforward. | ||
| The evidence suggests that Mr. Biden did not willfully retain these documents. | ||
| The evidence who said I did not willfully retain these documents. | ||
| In addition, I know there's some attention paid to some language in the report about my recollection of events. | ||
| There's even reference that I don't remember when my son died. | ||
| How in the hell dare he raise that? | ||
| Frankly, when I was asked the question, I thought to myself, it wasn't any of their damn business. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| Somebody would have commented, I wear, since the day he died, every single day, the rosary he got from Our Lady of... Every Memorial Day, we hold a service remembering him, attended by friends and family and the people who loved him. | ||
| I don't need anyone. | ||
| I don't need anyone to remind me when he passed away or passed away. | ||
| Simple truth is I sat for a five-hour interview over two days of events, going back 40 years. | ||
| The same time I was managing an international crisis, their task was to make a decision about whether to move forward with charges in this case. | ||
| That was their decision to make. | ||
| That's the council's decision to make. | ||
| That's his job. | ||
| And they decided not to move forward. | ||
| For any extraneous commentary, they don't know what they're talking about. | ||
| It has no place in this report. | ||
| The bottom line is the matter is now closed. | ||
| I'm going to continue what I've always focused on, my job of being President of the United States of America. | ||
| Thank you, and I'll take some questions. | ||
| President Biden, something the special counsel said in his report is that one of the reasons you were not charged is because, in his description, you are a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory. | ||
| I'm well-meaning, and I'm an elderly man, and I know what the hell I'm doing. | ||
| I've been president, and I put this country back on its feet. | ||
| I don't need his recommendation. | ||
| How bad is your memory, and can you continue as president? | ||
| My memory is so bad, I can let you speak. | ||
| Get destroyed, Fox News bitch! | ||
| W- Hile Biden! | ||
| Dude, that's so awesome! | ||
| Get bitch slapped by the well-meaning old man. | ||
| My memory is not good. | ||
| My memory is fine. | ||
| My memory... Take a look at what I've done since I've become president. | ||
| I'm the president, bitch! | ||
| Shut up! | ||
| Yeah, I'm old! | ||
| But I know what I'm doing! | ||
| I guess I just forgot what was going on. | ||
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Mr. President, how are you going to persuade them? | |
| Do you fear that this report is only going to fuel further concerns about your age? | ||
| Only by some of you. | ||
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Mr. President, you are under criminal liability today. | |
| You take responsibility for at least being careless with classified material. | ||
| Why is it all these hot Asian girl reporters? | ||
| Damn, I gotta be president. | ||
| Why are they all Asian? | ||
| Damn, look at that one. | ||
| I take responsibility for not having seen exactly what my staff... W, great replacement? | ||
| If that's a great replacement... ...was doing. | ||
| W. It goes in and points out. | ||
| Things that appeared in my garage. | ||
| Things that came out of my home. | ||
| Things that were moved. | ||
| Were moved not by me, but my staff. | ||
| but my staff. | ||
| It's called replacement wimmigration, W. | ||
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Mr. President! | |
| They express concerns about your mental acuity. | ||
| They say that you are too old. | ||
| Mr. President, in December, you told me that you believe there are many other Democrats who could defeat Donald Trump. | ||
| So why does it have to be you now? | ||
| What is your answer to that question? | ||
| Because I'm the most qualified person in this country to be President of the United States and finish the job I started. | ||
| I did not share classified information. | ||
| I did not share it. | ||
| With your ghostwriter. | ||
| With my ghostwriter. | ||
| I did not. | ||
| I guarantee you did not. | ||
| But the special counsel said it. | ||
| No, I did not say that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Mr. President, let me answer your question. | ||
| The fact of the matter is, what I didn't want repeated, I didn't want him to know, and I didn't read it to him, was I had written a long memorandum to President Obama, why we should not be in Afghanistan. | ||
| And it was of multiple pages. | ||
| And so what I was referring to, I said classified, I should have said it should be private, because it was a contact between the President and the Vice President, as to what was going on. | ||
| That's what he's referring to. | ||
| It was not classified information in that document. | ||
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That was not classified. | |
| When you look back at this incident, is there anything you would do differently now? | ||
| And do you think that a special prosecutor should have been appointed in the first place in both of these cases? | ||
| First of all, what I would have done is oversee the transfer of the material that was in my office, in my offices. | ||
| I should have done that. | ||
| If I go back, I didn't have the responsibility of that, that was my staff was supposed to do that, and they referenced that in the report. | ||
| And my staff did not do it in a way that, for example, I didn't know how half the boxes got in my garage. | ||
| Until I found out, staff gathered them up, put them together, and took them to the garage in my home. | ||
| And all the stuff that was in my home was in filing cabinets that were either locked or able to be locked. | ||
| It was in my house. | ||
| It wasn't out in, like, in Mar-a-Lago, in a public place where... And none of it was high-classified. | ||
| Didn't have any of that red stuff on it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Around the corners? | ||
| None of that. | ||
| And so I wish I had paid more attention to how the documents were being moved and where. | ||
| I thought they were being moved to the archives. | ||
| I thought all of it was being moved. | ||
| That's what I thought. | ||
| Now what was the last part of your question? | ||
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Whether a special counsel should have been appointed in this case and in the case of your rival president, former president. | |
| I think a special counsel should have been appointed. | ||
| And the reason I think a special counsel should have been appointed Is because I did not want to be in a position that they looked at Trump and weren't going to look at me. | ||
| Just like they looked at the Vice President. | ||
| And the fact is they made a firm conclusion. | ||
| I did not break the law. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Thank you all very, very much. | ||
| Another Biden victim. | ||
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You've just been listening to President Biden. | |
| A hero. | ||
| A hero. | ||
| A champion against the state of Israel. | ||
| No, I'm kidding. | ||
| You know I don't actually like Biden. | ||
| I hope you do know that. | ||
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But he is funny. | |
| Hey, listen here, Jack! | ||
| I'm not too old, dammit! | ||
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I'm the most qualified person to be President of the United States! | |
| The fact of the matter is... Oh, here we go. | ||
| Maybe a little more? | ||
| Oh yeah, a little more. | ||
| I'm of the view, as you know, that the conduct of the response In Gaza, in the Gaza Strip, has been over the top. | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| Get to Israel on notice. | ||
| As you know, initially, the President of Mexico, Sisi, did not want to open up the gate to allow humanitarian material to get in. | ||
| The President of Mexico? | ||
| Bruh, you mean Egypt? | ||
| I talked to him. | ||
| I convinced him to open the gate. | ||
| I talked to Bibi to open the gate on the Israeli side. | ||
| I've been pushing really hard, really hard to get humanitarian assistance. | ||
| We can't even ironically be fans because he's so retarded. | ||
| You can't even ironically shill for Biden. | ||
| He's like, hey, I'm not too old. | ||
| I haven't forgotten anything. | ||
| Anyway, I negotiated the deal between Israel and Mexico. | ||
| ...into Gaza. | ||
| There are a lot of innocent people who are starving, a lot of innocent people who are in trouble and dying. | ||
| And it's got to stop, number one. | ||
| Number two, I was also in the position that I'm the guy that made the case that we have to do much more to increase the amount of material going in. | ||
| Including fuel. | ||
| Including other items. | ||
| I've been on the phone with the Qataris. | ||
| I've been on the phone with the Egyptians. | ||
| I've been on the phone with the Saudis. | ||
| To get as much aid as we possibly can into Gaza. | ||
| There are innocent people, innocent women and children who are also in badly need of help. | ||
| And so that's what we're pushing. | ||
| And I'm pushing very hard now to deal with this hostage ceasefire. | ||
| Because, you know, I've been working tirelessly in this deal. | ||
| How can I say this without revealing it? | ||
| To lead to a sustained pause in the fighting, in the actions taking place in the Gaza Strip. | ||
| And because I think if we could get the delay for that, an initial delay, I think that we would be able to extend that So that we could increase the prospect that this fighting in Gaza changes. | ||
| There's also negotiations. | ||
| You may recall, in the very beginning, right after, right before Hamas attacked, I was in contact with the Saudis and others to work out a deal where they would recognize Israel's right to exist, let them make them part of the Middle East, and recognize them fully in return for certain things that the United States would commit to do. | ||
| And the commitment that we were proposed to do related to two items. | ||
| I'm not going to go in detail, but one of them was to deal with the protection against their arch enemy to the northwest. | ||
| Northeast, I should say. | ||
| The second one, by providing ammunition and material for them to defend themselves. | ||
| Coincidentally, that's the time frame when this broke out. | ||
| I have no proof what I'm about to say. | ||
| But it's not unreasonable to suspect that the Hamas understood what was about to take place and wanted to break it up before it happened. | ||
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That's obvious. | |
| Okay, alright, so that's your Biden statement. | ||
| This guy's out to lunch, man. | ||
| I mean, he obviously is not all the way there. | ||
| It's clear. | ||
| I think that he is on drugs some kind of Stimulant before he goes and does these press conferences because they all last about exactly the same amount of time I mean he was out here for 12 minutes and he's fallen apart by the end of it came out a little bit strong and | ||
| and by the end of it you could tell he's fading out and just doesn't I mean there were a few gaps there he didn't remember who the saint was that the rosary was dedicated to got Egypt and Mexico confused I don't even know how you get that one twisted he said the president of Mexico LCC You're talking about Gaza, man. | ||
| I mean, that doesn't even make any sense. | ||
| Like, to mix those up doesn't even... in context doesn't even make any sense. | ||
| So... I think he'll... a lot of people suspect that he'll be replaced at the last minute. | ||
| I don't agree. | ||
| I think that he will be the nominee, contrary to what people have been speculating about for years. | ||
| So, anyway. | ||
| So that's the press conference on the special counsel with the documents. | ||
| Totally unfair. | ||
| And a major double standard, but that's that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's get back to the Putin interview. | ||
| We got about a half hour left. | ||
| Listen, I know this is tedious. | ||
| I'll give some thoughts at the end, but I want to finish this out before I really give any takeaways. | ||
| I wish they would have subtitles. | ||
| It's very frustrating that they only have the live translation. | ||
| I wish they had... Usually they have the subtitles. | ||
| I think that's more... | ||
| I think it's a little bit more clear than when you get the translator talking over the original audio. | ||
| Russia too. | ||
| We'll finish this. | ||
| I told you about 2008 and the decision in Bucharest to open the NATO's doors to for Ukraine and so on. | ||
| That happened during his presidency. | ||
| He actually exercised pressure on the Europeans. | ||
| But in general, on a personal human level, I had a very good relationship with him. | ||
| He was no worse than any other American or Russian or European politician. | ||
| I assure you, he understood what he was doing as well as others. | ||
| I had such personal relationship with Trump as well. | ||
| It is not about the personality of the leader, it is about the elite's mindset. | ||
| If the idea of domination at any cost, based also on forceful actions, dominates the American society, nothing will change. | ||
| It will only get worse. | ||
| But if, in the end, one comes to the awareness that the world has been changing due to the abjective circumstances, and that one should be able to adapt to them in time, using the advantages that the US still has today, then perhaps something may change. | ||
| Look, China's economy has become the first economy in the world in purchasing power parity. | ||
| In terms of volume, it overtook the US a long time ago. | ||
| The USA comes second, then India, one and a half billion people, and then Japan, with Russia in the fifth place. | ||
| Russia was the first economy in Europe last year despite all the sanctions and restrictions. | ||
| Is it normal from your point of view? | ||
| Sanctions, restrictions, impossibility of payments in dollars, being cut off from swift services, sanctions against our ships carrying oil, sanctions against airplanes, sanctions in everything, everywhere. | ||
| The largest number of sanctions in the world which are applied are applied against Russia. | ||
| And we have become Europe's first economy during this time. | ||
| The tools that US uses don't work. | ||
| Well, one has to think about what to do. | ||
| If this realization comes to the ruling elites, then yes, then the first person of the state will act in anticipation of what the voters and the people who make decisions at various levels expect from this person. | ||
| Then maybe something will change. | ||
| You're describing two different systems. | ||
| You say the leader acts in the interest of the voters, but you also say these decisions are not made by the leader, they're made by the ruling classes. | ||
| You've run this country for so long, you've known all these American presidents. | ||
| What are those power centers in the United States, do you think? | ||
| Like, who actually makes the decisions? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| He said the same thing that... Well, I'll let him respond, but... You know the answer to that question. | ||
| We know. | ||
| Kanye knows, and they all know. | ||
| It's like when they asked RFK Jr. | ||
| Dave Smith asked the Libertarian podcaster, said, what do you make of the Israeli influence? | ||
| And he said, I don't know anything about that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Your father was killed by them. | ||
| You don't know anything about it? | ||
| Plex country. | ||
| Conservative on one hand, rapidly changing on the other. | ||
| It's not easy for us to sort it all out. | ||
| Who makes decisions in the elections? | ||
| Is it possible to understand this when each state has its own legislation? | ||
| Each state regulates itself? | ||
| Someone can be excluded from elections at the state level? | ||
| It is a two-stage electoral system. | ||
| It is very difficult for us to understand it. | ||
| Certainly, there are two parties that are dominant, the Republicans and the Democrats, and within this party system the centers that make decisions, that prepare decisions. | ||
| Then, look, why, in my opinion, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, such an erroneous, crude, completely unjustified policy of pressure was pursued against Russia? | ||
| After all, this is a policy of pressure. | ||
| NATO expansion, support for the separatists and Caucasus, creation of a missile defense system. | ||
| These are all elements of pressure. | ||
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Pressure, pressure, pressure. | |
| Then, dragging Ukraine into NATO is all about pressure, pressure, pressure. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I think, among other things, because excessive production capacities were created. | ||
| During the confrontation with the Soviet Union, there were many centers created and specialists on the Soviet Union, who could not do anything else. | ||
| They convinced the political leadership that it is necessary to continue chiseling Russia, to try to break it up, to create on this territory several quasi-state entities and to subdue them in a divided form, to use their combined potential for the future struggle with China. | ||
| This is a mistake, including the excessive potential of those who worked for the confrontation with the Soviet Union. | ||
| It is necessary to get rid of this. | ||
| There should be new, fresh forces, people who look into the future and understand what is happening in the world. | ||
| Look at how Indonesia is developing. | ||
| 600 million people. | ||
| Where can we get away from that? | ||
| Nowhere. | ||
| We just have to assume that Indonesia will enter, it is already in, the club of the world's leading economies, no matter who likes it or dislikes it. | ||
| Yes, we understand and are aware that in the United States, despite all the economic problems, The situation is still normal with the economy growing decently. | ||
| The GDP is growing by 2.5% if I'm not mistaken. | ||
| But if we want to ensure the future, then we need to change our approach to what is changing. | ||
| As I already said, the world would nevertheless change, regardless of how the developments in Ukraine end. | ||
| The world is changing. | ||
| In the United States themselves, experts are writing that the United States are nonetheless gradually changing their position in the world. | ||
| It is your experts who write that. | ||
| I just read them. | ||
| The only question is how this would happen. | ||
| Painfully and quickly, or gently and gradually. | ||
| And this is written by people who are not anti-American. | ||
| They simply follow global development trends. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And in order to assess them and change policies, we need people who think, look forward, can analyze and recommend certain decisions at the level of political leaders. | ||
| I just have to ask, you've said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all made in 1990. | ||
| It's a threat to your country. | ||
| Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the President of Ukraine to join NATO. | ||
| Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action? | ||
| I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d'etat through peaceful means. | ||
| But no one listened to us. | ||
| And moreover, the Ukrainian leaders who were under the complete U.S. | ||
| control suddenly declared that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements. | ||
| They disliked everything there and continued military activity in that territory. | ||
| And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers. | ||
| They essentially began to create bases there, that's all. | ||
| Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality, while passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine. | ||
| Ukraine, having received all these Southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people, suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory. | ||
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Is that normal? | |
| All this put together led to the decision to end the war that neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014. | ||
| Do you think Zelensky has the freedom to negotiate a settlement to this conflict? | ||
| I don't know the details. | ||
| Of course, it's difficult for me to judge. | ||
| But I believe he has, in any case, he used to have. | ||
| His father fought against the fascists, Nazis, during World War II. | ||
| I once talked to him about this. | ||
| I said, Volodya, what are you doing? | ||
| Why are you supporting neo-Nazis in Ukraine today, while your father fought against fascism? | ||
| He was a frontline soldier. | ||
| I will not tell you what he answered, this is a separate topic, and I think it's incorrect for me to do so. | ||
| But as to the freedom of choice, why not? | ||
| He came to power on the expectations of Ukrainian people that he would lead Ukraine to peace. | ||
| He talked about this. | ||
| It was thanks to this that he won the elections overwhelmingly. | ||
| But then, when he came to power, in my opinion, he realized two things. | ||
| Firstly, it is better not to clash with neo-Nazis and nationalists, because they are aggressive and very active. | ||
| You can expect anything from them. | ||
| And secondly, the US-led West supports them and will always support those who antagonize with Russia. | ||
| It is beneficial and safe. | ||
| So, he took the relevant position despite promising his people to end the war in Ukraine. | ||
| He deceived his voters. | ||
| But do you think at this point, as of February 2024, he has the latitude, the freedom, to speak with you in... The Nazi angle is so ineffective. | ||
| And to be fair, it has a bit of a different meaning for Russia because the... | ||
| Russian society was so affected by World War II since so many people died and it actually took place on Russian soil. | ||
| So it has a little bit of a different place in the Russian consciousness than it does in ours. | ||
| Especially because Germany and Russia are natural geopolitical foes. | ||
| So when Putin talks about Nazis, it does have a different meaning to them than it does to us. | ||
| And I don't know how much of that is pandering to a liberal Western sensibility and how much of it is his out-of-touchness with the West. | ||
| But when he says that it's a Nazi regime, he's of course referring to the threat posed to Russia by Germany even before the creation of the Nazi party. | ||
| And he's also even talking about the legacy of that today, which, you know, some would say that the Atlanticist alliance is a Nazi alliance. | ||
| You know, some say that many of the Nazis from World War II then went to work for the Americans or for the Western Europeans. | ||
| And creation of a European super state is something that Hitler would have wanted or something like that. | ||
| And, you know, Russia is being victimized by that. | ||
| So it does have a bit of a different context over there. | ||
| But I just don't think that's effective rhetoric. | ||
| I don't think anybody believes that. | ||
| I think it's totally anachronistic. | ||
| It would be better to simply say that it. | ||
| It's an imperial project to expand NATO. | ||
| It's an incursion and a provocation against Russia. | ||
| I mean, to me, I think that to talk about the CIA interventions on Russia's periphery and specifically in the Euromaidan, to me, that makes a lot more sense. | ||
| And the expansion of NATO, to me, those are the salient arguments I don't think we need to get... I mean, it's helpful to go into the history of how Ukraine ethically is part of Russia. | ||
| I think that is helpful. | ||
| I think talking about Nazification, I don't know what the purpose of that is. | ||
| I don't know who that's supposed to appeal to. | ||
| So, that's the part that doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| Someone says you underestimate how effective it is on the Russian population. | ||
| But this is for a Western audience. | ||
| This English interview with an American English-speaking journalist is for mass consumption in the West, not for Russians. | ||
| So I understand it's appealing for Russians, certainly. | ||
| That's why I say it's a different—when Russians look at this, it's a—Nazism has a different place in their consciousness than it does in our consciousness. | ||
| That's why I'm saying it maybe makes sense for... That's what I'm saying. | ||
| It makes sense for Russia, but not for a Western audience. | ||
| ...or the world. | ||
| Can he do that, do you think? | ||
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Why not? | |
| He's the president of the government. | ||
| He considers himself head of state. | ||
| He won the elections. | ||
| Although we believe in Russia that the coup d'etat is the primary source of power for everything that happened after 2014. | ||
| And in this sense, even today government is flawed. | ||
| But he considers himself the president and he is recognized by the United States, all of Europe and practically the rest of the world in such a capacity. | ||
| Why not? | ||
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We can. | |
| We negotiated with Ukraine and Istanbul. | ||
| We agreed. | ||
| He was aware of this. | ||
| Moreover, the negotiation group leader, Mr. Arhamiye is his last name, I believe still heads the faction of the ruling party, the party of the president in the Rada. | ||
| He still heads the presidential faction in the Rada, the country's parliament. | ||
| He still sits there. | ||
| He even put his preliminary signature on the document I am telling you about. | ||
| But then he publicly stated to the whole world, we were ready to sign this document, but Mr. Johnson, then the Prime Minister of Great Britain, came and dissuaded us from doing this, saying it was better to fight Russia. | ||
| They would give everything needed for us to return what was lost during the clashes with Russia. | ||
| And we agreed with this proposal. | ||
| Look, his statement has been published. | ||
| He said it publicly. | ||
| Can they return to this or not? | ||
| The question is, do they want it or not? | ||
| Further on, President of Ukraine issued a decree prohibiting negotiations with us. | ||
| Let him cancel that decree. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| We have never refused negotiations, indeed. | ||
| We hear all the time, is Russia ready? | ||
| Yes, we have not refused. | ||
| It was them who publicly refused. | ||
| Well, let him cancel his decree and enter into negotiations. | ||
| We have never refused. | ||
| And the fact that they obey the demand or persuasion of Mr. Johnson, the former Prime Minister of Great Britain, seems ridiculous and very sad to me. | ||
| Because, as Mr. Arakamiya put it, we could have stopped those hostilities with war a year and a half ago already. | ||
| But the British persuaded us and we refused this. | ||
| Where is Mr. Johnson now? | ||
| And the war continues. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| Where do you think he is and why did he do that? | ||
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Hell knows. | |
| I don't understand it myself. | ||
| There was a general starting point. | ||
| For some reason, everyone had the illusion that Russia could be defeated on the battlefield. | ||
| Because of arrogance, because of a pure heart, but not because of a great mind. | ||
| You've described the connection between Russia and Ukraine. | ||
| You've described Russia itself a couple of times as orthodox. | ||
| That's central to your understanding of Russia. | ||
| You said you're orthodox. | ||
| What does that mean for you? | ||
| You're a Christian leader by your own description. | ||
| So what effect does that have on you? | ||
| You know, as I already mentioned in 988, Prince Vladimir himself was baptized following the example of his grandmother, Princess Olga. | ||
| Then he baptized his squad. | ||
| And then, gradually, over the course of several years, he baptized all the Rus'. | ||
| It was a lengthy process, from pagans to Christians. | ||
| It took many years. | ||
| But in the end, this orthodoxy, Eastern Christianity, deeply rooted itself in the consciousness of the Russian people. | ||
| When Russia expanded and absorbed other nations who profess Islam, Buddhism and Judaism, Russia has always been very loyal to those people who profess other religions. | ||
| This is her strength. | ||
| This is absolutely clear. | ||
| And the fact is that the main postulates, main values are very similar, not to say the same, in all world religions I've just mentioned, and which are the traditional religions of the Russian Federation, Russia. | ||
| By the way, Russian authorities were always very careful about the culture and religion of those people who came into the Russian Empire. | ||
| This, in my opinion, forms the basis of both security and stability of the Russian statehood. | ||
| All the peoples inhabiting Russia basically consider it their motherhood. | ||
| If, say, people move over to you or to Europe from Latin America, An even clearer and more understandable example. | ||
| People come, but yet they have come to you or to European countries from their historical homeland. | ||
| And people who profess different religions in Russia consider Russia their motherland. | ||
| They have no other motherland. | ||
| We are together, this is one big family, and our traditional values are very similar. | ||
| I've just mentioned one big family, but everyone has his, her own family. | ||
| And this is the basis of our society. | ||
| And if we say that the motherland and the family are specifically connected with each other, It is indeed the case, since it is impossible to ensure a normal future for our children and our families unless we ensure a normal, sustainable future for the entire country, for the motherland. | ||
| That is why patriotic sentiment is so strong in Russia. | ||
| The one way in which the religions are different is that Christianity is specifically a non-violent religion. | ||
| Jesus says, turn the other cheek, don't kill. | ||
| How can a leader, who has to kill, of any country, how can a leader be a Christian? | ||
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How do you reconcile that? - Oh, lame question. - It is very easy. | |
| When it comes to protecting oneself and one's family, one's homeland, we won't attack anyone. | ||
| When did the developments in Ukraine start? | ||
| Since the coup d'etat and the hostilities in Donbas began, that's when they started. | ||
| And we're protecting our people, ourselves, our homeland and our future. | ||
| As for religion in general, you know, it's not about external manifestations, it's not about going to church every day or banging your head on the floor. | ||
| It is in the heart. | ||
| And our culture is so human-oriented. | ||
| Dostoevsky, who was very well known in the West and the genius of Russian culture, Russian literature, spoke a lot about this, about the Russian soul. | ||
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After all, Western society is more pragmatic. | |
| After all, Western society is more pragmatic. | ||
| Russian people think more about the eternal, about moral values. | ||
| I don't know, maybe you won't agree with me, but Western culture is more pragmatic after all. | ||
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I'm not saying this is bad. | |
| It makes it possible for today's golden billion to achieve good success in production, even in science and so on. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| I'm just saying that we kind of look the same. | ||
| Do you see the supernatural at work as you look out across what's happening in the world now? | ||
| Do you see God at work? | ||
| Do you ever think to yourself, these are forces that are not human? | ||
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No, to be honest, I don't think so. | |
| My opinion is that the development of the world community is in accordance with the inherent laws, and those laws are what they are. | ||
| It's always been this way in the history of mankind. | ||
| Some nations and countries rose, became stronger and more numerous, and then left the international stage, losing the status they had accustomed to. | ||
| There's probably no need for me to give examples, but we could start with the king Iskhan and horde conquerors, the Golden Horde, and then end with the Roman Empire. | ||
| It seems that there has never been anything like the Roman Empire in the history of mankind. | ||
| Nevertheless, the potential of the barbarians gradually grew, as did their population. | ||
| In general, the barbarians were getting stronger and begun to develop economically, as we would say today. | ||
| This eventually led to the collapse of the Roman Empire and the regime imposed by the Romans. | ||
| However, it took five centuries for the Roman Empire to fall apart. | ||
| The difference with what is happening now is that all the processes of change are happening at a much faster pace than in Roman times. | ||
| So when does the AI empire start, do you think? | ||
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That's a very interesting insinuation that he just made. | |
| This eventually led to the collapse of the Roman Empire and the regime imposed by the Romans. | ||
| However, it took five centuries for the Roman Empire to fall apart. | ||
| The difference with what is happening now is that all the processes of change are happening at a much faster pace than in Roman times. | ||
| So when does the AI empire start, do you think? | ||
| You're asking increasingly more complicated questions. | ||
| To answer them, you need to be an expert in big numbers, big data and AI. | ||
| Mankind is currently facing many threats. | ||
| Due to the genetic researches, it is now possible to create a superhuman, a specialized human being, a genetically engineered athlete, scientist, military man. | ||
| There are reports that Elon Musk has already had a chip implanted in the human brain in the USA. | ||
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What do you think of that? | |
| Well, I think there's no stopping Elon Musk. | ||
| He will do as he sees fit. | ||
| Nevertheless, you need to find some common ground with him, search for ways to persuade him. | ||
| I think he's a smart person, I truly believe he is. | ||
| So you need to reach an agreement with him because this process needs to be formalized and subjected to certain rules. | ||
| Humanity has to consider what is going to happen due to the newest development in genetics or in AI. | ||
| One can make an approximate prediction of what will happen. | ||
| Once mankind felt an existential threat coming from nuclear weapons, All nuclear nations began to come to terms with one another since they realized the negligent use of nuclear weaponry could drive humanity to extinction. | ||
| It is impossible to stop research in genetics or AI today, just as it was impossible to stop the use of gunpowder back in the day. - And these studies are still going to be done. | ||
| But as soon as we realize that the threat comes from unbridled and uncontrolled development of AI, or genetics, or any other field, the time will come to reach an international agreement on how to regulate these things. | ||
| I appreciate all the time you've given us. | ||
| I'm just going to ask you one last question, and that's about someone who's very famous in the United States, probably not here, Evan Gershkowitz, who's the Wall Street Journal reporter. | ||
| He's 32, and he's been in prison for almost a year. | ||
| This is a huge story in the United States, and I just want to ask you directly, without getting into the details of it or your version of what happened, if as a sign of your decency, you would be willing to release him to us and we'll bring him back to the United States? | ||
| We have done so many gestures of goodwill out of decency that I think we have run out of them. | ||
| We have never seen anyone reciprocate to us in a similar manner. | ||
| However, in theory, we can say that we do not rule out that we can do that if our partners take reciprocal steps. | ||
| When I talk about the partners, I, first of all, refer to special services. | ||
| Special services are in contact with one another, they are talking about the matter in question. | ||
| There is no taboo to settle this issue. | ||
| We are willing to solve it. | ||
| But there are certain terms being discussed via special services channels. | ||
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I believe an agreement can be reached. | |
| So, I mean, this stuff has happened for, obviously, centuries. | ||
| One country catches another spy within its borders, it trades it for one of its own intel guys in another country. | ||
| I think what makes this, and it's not my business, but what makes this difference is the guy's obviously not a spy, he's a kid. | ||
| And maybe he was breaking your law in some way, but he's not a super spy, and everybody knows that, and he's being held hostage in exchange, which is true. | ||
| With respect, it's true, and everyone knows it's true. | ||
| So maybe he's in a different category. | ||
| Maybe it's not fair to ask for, you know, somebody else in exchange for letting him out. | ||
| Maybe it degrades Russia to do that. | ||
| You know, you can give different interpretations to what constitutes a spy. | ||
| But there are certain things provided by law. | ||
| If person gets secret information and does that in conspiratorial manner, then this is a qualified as espionage. | ||
| And that is exactly what he was doing. | ||
| He was receiving classified, confidential information, and he did it covertly. | ||
| Maybe he did that out of carelessness or his own initiative. | ||
| Considering the sheer fact, this is qualified as espionage. | ||
| The fact has been proven, as he was caught red-handed when he was receiving this information. | ||
| If it had been some far-fetched excuse, some fabrication, something not proven, it would have been a different story then. | ||
| But he was caught red-handed when he was secretly getting confidential information. | ||
| What is it then? | ||
| Are you suggesting he was working for the US government or NATO, or he was just a reporter who was given material he wasn't supposed to have? | ||
| have, those seem like very different things. | ||
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I don't know who he was working for. | |
| But I would like to reiterate that getting classified information in secret is called espionage. | ||
| And he was working for the US special services, some other agencies. | ||
| I don't think he was working for Monaco, as Monaco is hardly interested in getting that information. | ||
| It is up to special services to come to an agreement. | ||
| Some groundwork has been laid. | ||
| There are people who, in our view, are not connected with special services. | ||
| Let me tell you a story about a person serving a sentence in an allied country of the US. | ||
| That person, due to patriotic sentiments, eliminated a bandit in one of the European capitals during the events in the Caucasus. | ||
| Do you know what he was doing? | ||
| I don't want to say that, but I will do it anyway. | ||
| He was laying our soldiers, taken prisoner, on the road and then drove his car over their heads. | ||
| What kind of person is that? | ||
| Can he even be called human? | ||
| But there was a patriot who eliminated him in one of the European capitals. | ||
| Whether he did it of his own volition or not, that is a different question. | ||
| Yeah, but Evan, Gershkowitz didn't do that. | ||
| I mean, that's a completely different... | ||
| I mean, this is a 32-year-old. | ||
| He committed something different. | ||
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He is not just a journalist. | |
| I reiterate, he is a journalist who was secretly getting confidential information. | ||
| Yes, it is different, but still. | ||
| I'm talking about other people who are essentially controlled by the US authorities, wherever they are serving a sentence. | ||
| There is an ongoing dialogue between the special services. | ||
| This has to be resolved in a calm, responsible and professional manner. | ||
| They're keeping in touch, so let them do their work. | ||
| I do not rule out that the person you refer to, Mr. Gershkovits, may return to his motherland. | ||
| By the end of the day, it does not make any sense to keep him in prison in Russia. | ||
| We want the US special services to think about how they can contribute to achieving the goals our special services are pursuing. | ||
| We are ready to talk. | ||
| Moreover, the talks are underway. | ||
| And there have been many successful examples of these talks crowned with success. | ||
| Probably, this is going to be crowned with success as well. | ||
| But we have to come to an agreement. | ||
| I hope you let him out. | ||
| Mr. President, thank you. | ||
| I also want him to return to his homeland at last. | ||
| I'm absolutely sincere. | ||
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I hope you let him out! | |
| This just, Tucker is just like a Gen X hippie, just totally out of his, well he's not even a hippie, he's a fake hippie, but totally out of his depth in this interview with this faux sentimentalism. | ||
| You're talking to, as I said earlier, a statesman who has led the largest country in the world for a quarter of a century, one of the oldest living heads of state, or rather longest serving heads of state in the world. | ||
| Of a great power, no less. | ||
| And you come to him with this kind of like, hey man, let's just talk about freaking AI and hey man, could you let our guy out? | ||
| Come on, he's a kid. | ||
| It's like, do you know who you're talking to? | ||
| This isn't like a microbrewery, okay? | ||
| I don't know if you know that or not. | ||
| This isn't the Nelk Boys podcast. | ||
| You're talking to one of the most consequential figures of this century and actually a serious statesman. | ||
| And he rolls up and says, hey, hey man, could you let him out? | ||
| I hope you let him out. | ||
| But let me say once again, the dialogue continues. | ||
| The more public we render things of this nature, the more difficult it becomes to resolve them. | ||
| Everything has to be done in a calm manner. | ||
| I wonder if that's true with the war, though, also. | ||
| I mean, I just want to, I guess I want to ask one more question, which is, and maybe you don't want to say so for strategic reasons, But are you worried that what's happening in Ukraine could lead to something much larger and much more horrible? | ||
| And how motivated are you just to call the U.S. | ||
| government and say, let's come to terms? | ||
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He already asked that. | |
| I already said that we did not refuse to talk. | ||
| We are willing to negotiate. | ||
| It is the Western side, and Ukraine is obviously a satellite state of the US. | ||
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It is evident. | |
| I do not want you to take it as if I am looking for a strong word or an insult, but we both understand what is happening. | ||
| The financial support, 72 billion U.S. | ||
| dollars, was provided. | ||
| Germany ranks second, then other European countries come. | ||
| Dozens of billions of U.S. | ||
| dollars are going to Ukraine. | ||
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There's a huge influx of weapons. | |
| In this case, you should tell the current Ukrainian leadership to stop and come to negotiating table, rescind this absurd decree. | ||
| We did not refuse. | ||
| Sure, but you already said it. | ||
| I didn't think you meant it as an insult, because you already said correctly, it's been reported that Ukraine was prevented from negotiating a peace settlement by the former British Prime Minister acting on behalf of the Biden administration. | ||
| So of course they're a satellite. | ||
| Big countries control small countries. | ||
| That's not new. | ||
| And that's why I asked about dealing directly with the Biden administration, which is making these decisions, not President Zelensky of Ukraine. | ||
| Well, if the Zelensky administration in Ukraine refused to negotiate, I assume they did it under the instruction from Washington. | ||
| If Washington believes it to be the wrong decision, Let it abandon it. | ||
| Let it find a delicate excuse so that no one is insulted. | ||
| Let it come up with a way out. | ||
| It was not us who made this decision. | ||
| It was them. | ||
| So let them go back on it. | ||
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That is it. | |
| However, they made the wrong decision and now we have to look for a way out of this situation to correct their mistakes. | ||
| They did it, so let them correct it themselves. | ||
| We support this. | ||
| So I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding what you're saying. | ||
| I don't think that I am. | ||
| I think you're saying you want a negotiated settlement to what's happening in Ukraine. | ||
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Right. - We've already experienced this. | |
| And we made it. | ||
| We prepared a huge document in Istanbul that was initialed by the head of the Ukrainian delegation. | ||
| He affixed his signature to some of the provisions. | ||
| Not to all of it. | ||
| He put his signature and then he himself said, We were ready to sign it and the war would have been over long ago, 18 months ago. | ||
| However, Prime Minister Johnson came, talked us out of it, and we missed that chance. | ||
| Well, you missed it, you made a mistake, let them get back to that, that is all. | ||
| Why do we have to bother ourselves and correct somebody else's mistakes? | ||
| I know one can say it is our mistake. | ||
| It was us who intensified the situation and decided to put an end to the war that started in 2014 in Donbass. | ||
| As I have already said, by means of weapons. | ||
| Let me get back to furthering history. | ||
| I already told you this. | ||
| We were just discussing. | ||
| Let us go back to 1991, when we were promised that NATO would not expand. | ||
| To 2008, when the doors to NATO opened to the declaration of state sovereignty of Ukraine, declaring Ukraine a neutral state. | ||
| Let us go back to the fact that NATO and US military bases started to appear on the territory of Ukraine, creating threats to us. | ||
| Let us go back to coup d'etat in Ukraine in 2014. | ||
| It is pointless though, isn't it? | ||
| We may go back and forth endlessly, but they stop negotiations. | ||
| Is it a mistake? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Correct it. | ||
| We are ready. | ||
| What else is needed? | ||
| Do you think it's too humiliating at this point? | ||
| I love that. | ||
| That was a great, that was like masterful closing statement. | ||
| If the whole interview is leading up to that, I thought that was very powerful. | ||
| to accept Russian control of what was two years ago Ukrainian territory? | ||
| I said, let them think how to do it with dignity. | ||
| There are options if there is a will. | ||
| Up until now there has been the uproar and screaming about inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia on the battlefield. | ||
| Now they're apparently coming to realize that it is difficult to achieve, if possible at all. | ||
| In my opinion, it is impossible by definition. | ||
| It is never going to happen. | ||
| It seems to me that now, those who are in power in the West have come to realize this as well. | ||
| If so, if the realization has set in, they have to think what to do next. | ||
| We're ready for this dialogue. | ||
| Would you be willing to say, "Congratulations, NATO, you won," and just keep the situation where it is now? | ||
| You know, it is a subject matter for the negotiations. | ||
| No one is willing to conduct, or, to put it more accurately, they are willing, but do not know how to do it. | ||
| I know they want to. | ||
| It is not just I see it, but I know they do want it. | ||
| But they are struggling to understand how to do it. | ||
| They have driven the situation to the point where we are at. | ||
| It is not us who have done that. | ||
| It is our partners, opponents who have done that. | ||
| Well, now let them think how to reverse the situation. | ||
| We're not against it. | ||
| It would be funny if it were not so sad. | ||
| This endless mobilization in Ukraine, the hysteria, the domestic problems. | ||
| Sooner or later it will result in agreement. | ||
| You know, this probably sounds strange given the current situation. | ||
| But the relations between the two peoples will be rebuilt anyway. | ||
| It will take a lot of time, but they will heal. | ||
| I'll give you very unusual examples. | ||
| There is a combat encounter on the battlefield. | ||
| Here is a specific example. | ||
| Ukrainian soldiers got encircled. | ||
| This is an example from real life. | ||
| Our soldiers were shouting to them. | ||
| There is no chance. | ||
| Surrender yourselves. | ||
| Come out and you will be alive. | ||
| Suddenly, the Ukrainian soldiers were squealing from there in Russian, perfect Russian, saying, Russians do not surrender. | ||
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And all of them perished. | |
| they still identify themselves as Russian. | ||
| What is happening is to a certain extent an element of a civil war. | ||
| Everyone in the West thinks that the Russian people have been split by hostilities forever. | ||
| No, they will be reunited. | ||
| The unity is still there. | ||
| Why are the Ukrainian authorities dismantling the Ukrainian Orthodox Church? | ||
| Because it brings together not only the territory, it brings together our souls. | ||
| No one will be able to separate the soul. | ||
| Shall we end here or is there anything else? | ||
| No, I think that's great. | ||
| Thank you, Mr. President. | ||
| Tucker, so, dude, the way he ended that is so... I hate this, like, tone, this affect that he has where he's, like, soft-spoken or whatever. | ||
| I don't know what that is. | ||
| What do you call that? | ||
| Shall we end here or is there anything else? | ||
| No, I think that's great. | ||
| Why does he say it like that? | ||
| Why is he talking like that? | ||
| It's like sheepish affect and body language. | ||
| That's beautiful! | ||
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I think that's great! | |
| Like, why are you talking like that? | ||
| Sort of embarrassing. | ||
| It's embarrassing because Tucker Carlson is not an effective interviewer. | ||
| He's not asking effective questions. | ||
| He's not... It's almost, on some level, insulting and disrespectful. | ||
| And I felt the same way when Megyn Kelly interviewed Putin, although Megyn Kelly was, you may remember, she interviewed Putin, I think back in 2017 or 2018, and she was a lot more combative and antagonistic, and Tucker was more respectful and polite and arguably more professional. | ||
| But some of these questions like, why don't you just say NATO won? | ||
| Or why don't you just call a Biden, man? | ||
| Why can't you just let this guy go? | ||
| Why can't you let this hostage? | ||
| Oh, come on! | ||
| Like... There's just a lack of decorum and a lack of seriousness. | ||
| So I'm actually a little bit, I'm not disappointed in Putin. | ||
| I thought there were parts of it that I thought were less effective, but I thought that overall Putin is always impressive and very intelligent and thoughtful, but I thought the interviewer, I thought Tucker did not do a good job. | ||
| So, I wasn't the biggest fan of this interview. | ||
| I think Putin's great, but... And this is not... I am a little bit biased because I'm not the biggest fan of Tucker, but I don't think he was asking very effective questions. | ||
| Especially about how the war started. | ||
| I feel like that's something that has basically been litigated and is almost, at this point, not even relevant. | ||
| So the first hour of the discussion was about the precipitating cause, specifically, of the war. | ||
| Not the root causes, which Putin got into, Tucker wanted only to know the precipitating cause. | ||
| Why Ukraine? | ||
| Why now? | ||
| Why did you invade Ukraine in February 2022? | ||
| He wasn't interested in the historic relationship of the Ukrainian people to the Russian state. | ||
| He was interested to know why Putin invaded Ukraine when he did. | ||
| And despite the interruptions, Putin eventually arrived there. | ||
| He painted a picture over the first hour, hour and 20 minutes about the history of the Russian state and how this sovereign Ukrainian entity came into existence and the The background with the post-Cold War relationship between Washington and Russia. | ||
| You know, so Putin got into all these issues, but Tucker appeared not to be interested in any of that, but only in this question of what precipitated the intensification of hostilities in 2022. | ||
| And like I said, to me, that is a far less interesting question. | ||
| I feel like it's been tread over and over, and at a certain point it gets kind of tedious. | ||
| So I don't, I think a lot of that was unnecessary. | ||
| And then some of these questions at the end, again, these are not effective questions. | ||
| It's a sort of a squandered opportunity to say, why don't you just call up Washington and avert World War III? | ||
| It's just not a serious treatment of the issue because of course, you know, an average person approaches this conversation And they consider the worst case scenario, which is a great power conflict in the nuclear age, which many people think is an inevitable nuclear war. | ||
| That any direct confrontation between great powers with these weapons would result in a nuclear exchange that would end the world. | ||
| So your average person is thinking in terms of, we could all agree that we should avert a nuclear catastrophe. | ||
| But that's not the logic of states. | ||
| That is the logic of individual people. | ||
| That is not the logic of states. | ||
| And that's not the logic that governs the behavior of states. | ||
| The logic that governs the behavior of states is principally security and power, which are deeply related. | ||
| In order to increase your security, which is what all states strive to do, they have to increase their power. | ||
| And that is the basis of conflict. | ||
| Because the pursuit of security, which is the pursuit of power, Forces states into opposition because power Is of course Something that comes at the expense of the other for Russia to be more powerful Necessarily its neighbors have to be less powerful its rivals have to be less power But that's how a state increases its security and so what Putin? | ||
| Says I mean what he's saying but not saying is that There is a long history of Moscow and the West being in conflict over this borderland territory, whether it's the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, or it's Germany, or now it's presently Washington. | ||
| What he's basically saying is that there's, for a thousand years, there's been a tug of war between the West and Moscow over this land, and it's fundamentally A battle between two poles exerting a magnetic force and it's a tug of war. | ||
| It's a conflict of security here and For NATO to expand eastward, for them to create an anti-ballistic missile shield, excluding Russia from the security architecture, excluding Russia from their alliance, and then fomenting a coup and then a war in Ukraine is a threat to Russia's security. | ||
| And so Putin said that effectively we responded to that. | ||
| And for Tucker to say, well, why don't you just give him a call and end all of that, as if it's a function of a desire to avert World War III. | ||
| It isn't. | ||
| It's a function of these security concerns that the United States... | ||
| ...wants to hold in place the post-Cold War world order which is led by the United States, and the United States basically views it in these terms, that if one of these states, which is closest to the center of power of their rivals, falls, so that would be in the case of Russia, Ukraine, and the case of China, Taiwan, they view it as a dam breaking. | ||
| That if Ukraine is the most vulnerable to direct Russian intervention, and if Taiwan is the most vulnerable to direct Chinese intervention, if they fall, it's sort of like a modified domino theory. | ||
| First Ukraine, then Estonia. | ||
| First Taiwan, then some other, you know, a Japanese island or something like that. | ||
| And... | ||
| And, maybe more than that, maybe first Russia makes the move on Ukraine, then China makes the move on Taiwan, maybe then Iran makes the move on Israel, and then Venezuela makes the move on Guyana, and then maybe Azerbaijan makes the move on Armenia, and maybe Egypt makes the move on Ethiopia. | ||
| And so, for the United States, it's like more of a dam bursting. | ||
| That the entire world, not just on the periphery, of the American-led order with its rivals, but the entire world order is all bound up together, founded on American hegemony and founded on American strength. | ||
| And if one hole pops open, then another hole will pop open and another one, and eventually the entire stability of the world goes. | ||
| And then there is a truly global conflict, and the United States will not be able to control it, and there will be a great global disorder which will threaten our economic interest. | ||
| And our economic interest is bound up with the stability of the world, and the trade routes in the sea and over land and the windmills, | ||
| Weapons of mass destruction which are out there and all these other things So the United States says that we we have to secure Ukraine Ukraine is the sovereign independent state We have to secure it bring it into the fold and protect it from Russia Russia says that for the United States to do that enhancing its security that necessarily takes away from Russia's security because that would entail NATO missiles and NATO military bases and | ||
| Basically, at the heart of Russia, in Ukraine. | ||
| And resting away control of the Black Sea and basically putting too many assets in such close proximity to Russia. | ||
| That's why Russia went in. | ||
| And anyway, the point is that this is a fundamental contradiction that has to be resolved. | ||
| And that's what Putin said. | ||
| He said that historically America is declining in relative terms as nations like in Asia rise up with their purchasing power and then therefore their military. | ||
| Necessarily, American power will have to diminish relative to the rest of the world. | ||
| He said, and how do you want that to happen? | ||
| Is that going to happen quickly and painfully with a catastrophe like what's happening in Ukraine? | ||
| Or is it going to be gradual and on the basis of a negotiated settlement? | ||
| And so that's the contradiction that has to be resolved. | ||
| That is the dilemma. | ||
| So to come to this interview in these simplistic terms, like it's so simple, and say, why don't you just call Washington and just iron it out? | ||
| It doesn't work that way. | ||
| If it were that simple, if these matters were so insignificant or so simple that it was simply a matter of picking up the phone, we wouldn't be here. | ||
| It wouldn't be a major war. | ||
| These kinds of wars don't start over simple, insignificant issues. | ||
| Where the stakes are low. | ||
| It's only in high stakes issues dealing with interest that is very significant with parties that are very powerful and very interested in the outcomes of those things. | ||
| It's only in those cases where you have major wars like this, which some would say are defying the era. | ||
| So, to me, when you start throwing stuff out like that, and even the matter of the Wall Street Journal journalist who was arrested, so if you haven't seen, there was a journalist with the Wall Street Journal who was arrested in Russia on espionage charges, and they discussed that, and Tucker says, oh, come on, he's not a spy, why don't you just let him go? | ||
| It's like, do you think that's the logic of states? | ||
| Do you think that states can conduct themselves in this way? | ||
| Because it goes without saying that if a state were to simply say that it would tolerate any aggression or any provocation, lest there be a nuclear war, that state would be destroyed from within by the American intelligence community. | ||
| If a state were to say that, you know, anytime a person's sensibilities are offended by its actions, like, for example, arresting a 31-year-old journalist, again, You don't even have a basis for a state. | ||
| You don't have any basis for security there. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Just let him go! | ||
| I mean, what was the expected response? | ||
| Oh, alright, fine. | ||
| You know, as if it's that simple. | ||
| As if that's how it works. | ||
| It's about those kinds of feelings. | ||
| So, totally ridiculous. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I'm not a fan of Tucker as an interviewer. | ||
| I think he's a lot more used to these other interviews where he asks a leader something like, they said, wait a second, the media said you're a racist, but you sound reasonable. | ||
| You know, if he's not asking a stupid question like that, I guess this is what we get. | ||
| So, yeah, I thought that was not very good. | ||
| I thought Putin was excellent. | ||
| And I thought it was better at the end. | ||
| I didn't really... I thought the explanation of history was a little bit tedious, and I think that the argument about denazification is not compelling, and I don't think it's persuasive, and I also think it's just kind of nonsense. | ||
| And I think a lot more time, I think eventually he got there, eventually got to, because to me what is the most salient and what is the most pressing is the history since the Cold War. | ||
| And if you want to go back further, I would say that maybe what is relevant is how the sovereign Ukrainian entity was created by Stalin and his doctrine on nationalities. | ||
| But I think that's about as far back as you can go. | ||
| Where it makes sense to go back a thousand years. | ||
| I think that's maybe a good prologue, but I don't think it required 40 minutes to go through all of that. | ||
| I think it's enough to say that NATO and Washington have not been cooperative. | ||
| They've been antagonistic. | ||
| They have aggressively moved towards Russia. | ||
| They undermine the sovereignty of the Ukrainian state with the Euromaidan coup. | ||
| They have attacked Russia's sovereignty with these CIA-backed intelligence operations, and then Russia responded to a legitimate threat. | ||
| I think that is the clearest, most unassailable case that you can make. | ||
| So, you know, I think... | ||
| I think everything that Putin said is true, and I think everything is relevant on some level, but in terms of economizing on the time here, because this is, all eyes are on Putin, everybody's watching this, it's a huge Western audience, it's sympathetic. | ||
| Is the most effective argument to go back to the 9th century and talk about how the Ukrainians are Nazis and they gave a standing ovation to that officer in the Canadian Parliament? | ||
| I think that stuff should have been cut out. | ||
| I don't... I don't think that was particularly effective. | ||
| So... That's my review of it. | ||
| And a lot of this we've already heard. | ||
| We've really... | ||
| Kind of been over a lot of this material. | ||
| This war in Ukraine is now nearly two years old. | ||
| It broke out on, what, February 24, 2022? | ||
| So it's just under two years old. | ||
| We heard all these arguments throughout 2022, less so in 2023. | ||
| To rehash a lot of this stuff in 2024, I think whoever said it on Twitter was right. | ||
| It was just a little bit tedious to me. | ||
| Nothing, no new information has been presented here. | ||
| Just a lot of stale, less relevant information. | ||
| So, I wasn't the biggest fan. | ||
| I was thinking, you know, they said this interview would break the West and change the election. | ||
| This was not very groundbreaking to me. | ||
| I don't think there was anything said in here that hasn't already been said somewhere else in a debate forum or even in American media. | ||
| So, I'm really unimp- I'm unimpressed with the interviewer. | ||
| And I don't even think that Putin capitalized on this opportunity as best that he could. | ||
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But... It was interesting, I guess. | |
| That's how I feel about it. | ||
| But let's take a look. | ||
| Let's see what people are saying on Twitter. | ||
| I'm curious to see... Oh, I'm rate limited, so I don't even think I'll be able to see anything. | ||
| I'm curious to see what the takeaway is on Twitter. | ||
| What is there? | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
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Fucking bullshit. | |
| I'm rate limited so I can't even see what people are saying on Twitter. | ||
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Stupid fucking website. | |
| I can't make a burner because I'm banned and then if I'm on a banned account I get to see like five tweets every day. | ||
| You know they do that now? | ||
| If you don't have an active account on Twitter you can only see like 25 tweets on a given day and then once you see them they disable your access So I can't even see what people are saying I'll just go on my phone. | ||
| I have a burner on my phone so I'll just read it here I guess let's see | ||
| let's see I'm not seeing any good takes about this. | ||
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Here we go. | |
| Matt Walsh. | ||
| Matt Walsh writes, just started watching the Putin interview. | ||
| One thing you notice right away is that the guy is lucid and sharp, capable of sitting for a two-hour interview about extremely dense subjects. | ||
| Compare that to the frail vegetable in the White House who had to cancel a puff piece interview before the Super Bowl because he can't speak on camera for more than... This is just like the most asinine takeaway. | ||
| This is what everybody's saying. | ||
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Duh, Putin's smart, Biden dumb. | |
| Hot take alert, wow. | ||
| Does anyone think Biden would be physically or mentally capable of having a conversation with anyone on camera for two hours? | ||
| The idea is laughable and yet this guy wants four more years in office. | ||
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Wow, great point. | |
| Oh, Biden's dumb! | ||
| My takeaway from this interview is that Biden is dumb. | ||
| Insightful. | ||
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Alright, let's see. | |
| What else? | ||
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Yeah, I don't know. | |
| I'm not really impressed with anything I'm seeing here. | ||
| Candace Owens writes, Our presidents are puppets. | ||
| We already knew that, but Putin is confirming it. | ||
| The CIA controls those presidents. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| We already knew that due to the deep state reaction to Trump, who they didn't expect. | ||
| They are dumbing down and drugging Americans while overthrowing governments worldwide. | ||
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True. | |
| Tristan Tate, lefties are furious that hearing both sides of the story will be bad for their narrative. | ||
| These people believe Putin is the enemy of peace. | ||
| Remind me, these are the same people who were reading Bin Laden's mission statement a few months ago and agreeing with him totally? | ||
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Bruh! | |
| Okay, so that's just like the most jewed up take imaginable. | ||
| So we can hear Putin's side? | ||
| We can't hear Bin Laden's side? | ||
| We can't hear the Palestinian-Muslim side? | ||
| Or Iran's side? | ||
| God forbid. | ||
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All right. | |
| So that's what other people are saying. | ||
| That's my take. | ||
| I think I'm gonna get out of here pretty soon. | ||
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| I'll be back in a little bit to do my show. | ||
| I'm gonna have to wake up a little bit because I'm like falling asleep. | ||
| That was a little bit boring. | ||
| So I'm gonna have to maybe drink some coffee, splash some cold water on my face, and then I'll be back to do my show. | ||
| But before I get off of this stream, I want to take a look at our Super Chats. | ||
| We have quite a few, so let me read these and then I'll get out of here, okay? | ||
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All right, let's see. - BlackRow, I percent $20. | |
| I think one of the big threats to the US is the inevitable and permanent underclass of unskilled and low-skilled labor getting displaced by AI, i.e. | ||
| blacks and Latinos. | ||
| You'll see UBI introduced and crime skyrocket as they get locked out of the labor market and relegated to welfare recipients and domestics. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| The technological unemployment is coming soon. | ||
| And that is all the people who will be pushed out of work by automation, AI, other developments. | ||
| And the people that are going to go first are the lowest skilled, lowest wage workers. | ||
| And that's who we're bringing in by the millions. | ||
| So what are all these people going to do when there's no jobs? | ||
| They're going to be in the streets. | ||
| Stealing. | ||
| Not going to be good. | ||
| Spanish Groeper sent $4. | ||
| The Great War is the most important war in human history. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| More than World War II. | ||
| Chris Pykramiden sent $3. | ||
| When Tucker first addressed Putin, he was so nervous he could not look him in the eyes. | ||
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I didn't notice that. | |
| Hey, thanks a lot man. | ||
| I appreciate the big super chat. | ||
| Glad to hear you're coming back to Catholicism. | ||
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Good for you. | |
| been watching since 2020 and i am now converting to catholicism because of you thanks for the show and for being the only real nig on the right you always have such a unique point of view and great way of putting things af is inevitable christ is king hey thanks a lot man i appreciate the big super chat glad to hear you're coming back to catholicism good for you god bless you buddy uh and i'm glad you like the show you Yeah, you know, it's not easy doing what I do, but it's worth it. | ||
| Because I feel like everything else is just... I mean, if you didn't have this show, you would go on Twitter and what's the reaction of the Putin interview? | ||
| Well, this just shows that Biden is dumb. | ||
| In case anybody didn't know that. | ||
| I think we got the point, okay? | ||
| He's been the president for a few years. | ||
| He's been around longer than that. | ||
| It's like 2024 and people watch something that's got nothing to do with him and say, you know, I think the key takeaway is that Biden is retarded. | ||
| You know, year five of Biden being retarded and having Alzheimer's And people watch an interview with Tucker and Putin and the only thing they can say about it is, I think this just goes to show that Biden has Alzheimer's and is too old. | ||
| Wow, that's really interesting. | ||
| Thanks for the insight. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| $10. | ||
| Imagine Biden trying to give a brief history of the US in an interview. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| There you go. | ||
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Yeah, exactly! | |
| Yeah, a lot of yapping, for sure. | ||
| Benjamin 88 Papyrus sent $5. | ||
| Yen Appersville Vladimir Putin. | ||
| Huck, Ukraine. | ||
| W Ortho Bros. - Yeah, a lot of yapping for sure. | ||
| Whoops. - Cactus Lamarta sent $20. | ||
| How do you not have hate towards anyone, especially when many people hate you and do nasty stuff? - Well, you know, I hate them in a certain sense. | ||
| I don't hate them in the sense that I want them to go to hell. | ||
| But I do hate them in the sense that I think they're despicable people and I hate what they're about. | ||
| You know, because when you're a Christian, what it means to love everybody, it means you're willing them towards the good. | ||
| It doesn't mean that you like them. | ||
| Christianity doesn't say you have to like, because there's a subtle distinction. | ||
| Love is not liking somebody a lot. | ||
| They're fundamentally different. | ||
| So when Christians say you have to love everyone, they don't mean you have to like everybody. | ||
| They don't mean that you need to approve of what people do or think of people in a positive way. | ||
| It means that you have to will them towards the good. | ||
| You have to want for them what is best for them. | ||
| You have to will that they will be saved. | ||
| You have to will them towards what is the good for them, which is that they will reconcile with God. | ||
| So regarding all my enemies or people that I despise, I pray for them. | ||
| I want them to be saved. | ||
| I want them to embrace what is good. | ||
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Do I like them? | |
| No. | ||
| And in that sense, I do hate them. | ||
| But I don't hate them in the sense that I want to kill them and send them to hell. | ||
| You know, I want what's best for everybody. | ||
| But that is what it means. | ||
| Because a lot of people say... | ||
| You know, oh, if you're a Christian, it means, you know, you gotta just suffer any injury, you have to just like it, you gotta be okay with everything. | ||
| No, you do not have to be okay with everything. | ||
| And even forgiveness, even people get forgiveness mixed up. | ||
| You do not have to exonerate everybody. | ||
| You know, if somebody is like a serial rapist, A Christian doesn't have to say, Oh, you know, let's, why don't you come and stay the night here? | ||
| I don't care that you're a rapist. | ||
| All is forgiven. | ||
| You know, it doesn't work that way. | ||
| It means that if someone is repentant, Towards you. | ||
| You don't hold a grudge against them. | ||
| But it doesn't mean that you forget their past behavior. | ||
| It doesn't mean that you have to let somebody continue to injure you or your family or harm you in other ways. | ||
| Totally different. | ||
| But that's the thing. | ||
| Everybody has gotten Christianity confused with leftism, essentially. | ||
| And they've taken these radical conclusions like love everybody means you have to just like everything about everybody and forgiving people means that we have to allow ourselves to be killed in some cases and allow God to be mocked and allow people to have this moral confusion about what is and isn't sin. | ||
| in. | ||
| So, so anyway, So it's not, so I wouldn't go as far as to say that I don't hate certain people. | ||
| I pray for my enemies, but I find my enemies to be despicable. | ||
| And in a certain sense I, uh, in some sense I hate them. | ||
| Gary Faulkner sent $3. | ||
| Putin is a Russian nationalist rather than a white nationalist. | ||
| Ethnic Russian versus Kadyrovite birth rates indicate they will be majority Muslim soon enough. | ||
| Yet the majority of casualties are Ukr slash Rus. | ||
| Uh, that is true. | ||
| Although I do think that Putin definitely favors the ethnic Russians. | ||
| I don't think that he wants Russia to be a Muslim state. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| $5, such a great interview, I love Putin. | ||
| - Yeah, me too, he's great. - Cipip sent $3, is Putin hinting that he knows Tucker is CIA by saying, thank God you not in? - Well, for him to say that is definitely a nod. | ||
| For him to throw that out there is a barb for sure. | ||
| Intentional. | ||
| I don't know if he's saying, like, hey, you're in the CIA. | ||
| Awoken American sent $3. | ||
| I need to rewatch this interview asking myself what Putin meant by repeating for unknown reasons. | ||
| Is he dog-whistling JQ here? | ||
| We all know about the Bolsheviks. | ||
| I can assume true Russians do as well. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Retard alert. | ||
| Awoken American sent $3. | ||
| The collapse of the Soviet Union was initiated by the Russian leadership. | ||
| I do not understand what the Russian leadership was guided by at the time but... Putin. | ||
| What do you think he meant by this? | ||
| I wouldn't read too much into that to be honest. | ||
| John Dave Irving sent $109. | ||
| The fact Putin speaks perfect English and uses a translator is hilarious. | ||
| Putin brings up Nazi slash Hitler slash Jew constantly because it neuters the Jewish Western media's ability to respond. | ||
| It sounds gay but is actually genius. | ||
| Okay, I feel like you're trolling me with that. | ||
| and And yeah, I suppose I understand what you mean by that, but I just don't think it's effective at all. | ||
| I think that's the same logic of this, you know, the Dems are the real racists. | ||
| Does that neuter the left when Republicans say the Democrats are the party of the Ku Klux Klan? | ||
| And then, case in point, Republicans were never called racist ever again, right? | ||
| Like, obviously, no. | ||
| Republicans are still regarded as racist, called racist. | ||
| Thanks for the big super chat though. | ||
| Can't tell if you're serious or not. | ||
| of slavery in the Klan. | ||
| So I don't, you know, I understand it in theory. | ||
| I don't think it has ever worked as intended in practice. | ||
| It's something that conservatives think is very clever. | ||
| I don't think anybody else thinks it's so clever. | ||
| So thanks for the big super chat, though. | ||
| Can't tell if you're serious or not. | ||
| But I appreciate the big super chat, buddy. - Hey. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Okay, you know what? you know what? | ||
| Just forget you. | ||
| You're obviously a homosexual forever. | ||
| So, you know, like I said before, I'm going to will you to the good, but, you know, you're going to hell, buddy. | ||
| Hate to tell you that. | ||
| I've never heard that. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I remember hearing that when Putin was younger in the KGB, he repeated some Holocaust revisionism. | ||
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Have you heard about this or is it a myth? - I've never heard that. | |
| - Sky Guy sent $50. | ||
| You got the best content, man. | ||
| Keep it up. | ||
| Without you, there is nothing to watch. | ||
| - Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I mean, I can't watch anything other than me. | ||
| - Boomer 1963 sent $50. | ||
| I am pledging $500 by year-end here as another $50 totaling $100 year-to-date. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| Hey, you're taking the pledge. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I appreciate the support. | ||
| Chugger sent $10. | ||
| I really appreciated Putin's dissertation on Russian history. | ||
| I get the criticism of that, but Richard Hanania's take was so gay. | ||
| We shouldn't lower our standards to that. | ||
| Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, but by the same token, You have to consider that for Putin to accept this interview, there is something to be gained there. | ||
| And in order to take full advantage of it, maybe that was not the best approach. | ||
| So, I agree with you. | ||
| But, on some level, I agree with you that we should not lower our standards. | ||
| On the other hand, the situation is what it is, and if he wanted the maximum benefit from it, maybe some brevity would have been in order. | ||
| So... Gregg Roy percent ten dollars. | ||
| If Putin's primary goal was to appeal to Western audiences here or fix his reputation in the West, why? | ||
| He would have just spoken in English as he's done in interviews before. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I wouldn't read too much into it. | ||
| I would say it's more of one of these nationalist type things. | ||
| A lot of French people do this for the same reason. | ||
| It's sort of a patriotic gesture. | ||
| It's a political gesture, so to speak. | ||
| Hispanic Anon sent $3. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| I think that's Cope. | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| When Putin talks about denazification, it's obvious to me that he's really advocating the dismantling of Ukrainian identity as such, or at least the West's support of it. | ||
| He is showing that the West is hypocritical for supporting Ukrainian identity. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think that's Cope. | ||
| Behold, a chair sent $3, making your ancestors proud, crown. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Zyle sent $3, bro invaded Yaporizhia. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good one. | ||
| Cipip sent $3. | ||
| You see, Bill Maher won't release Yay interview because he anti-Semitic still lol. | ||
| Even though I ain't support his recent changes at Nice to see he the same Kanye. | ||
| Did they do an interview recently? | ||
| I couldn't, uh... I saw that, but I wasn't able to see if that is an old interview or a new interview. | ||
| Yeah, honestly, you just gotta pray for him. | ||
| And I don't say that to be patronizing, but there's a lot of dark forces around him. | ||
| And just a lot of degenerate stuff. | ||
| There's the stuff that's public. | ||
| There's the stuff that isn't public and It's uh, it's disappointing and I wish that he would be a better example because You know, you didn't know him and I I didn't know him for a very long time. | ||
| I knew him for five or six months, whatever it was seven months and But in the time that I did get to know him, he does have a genuine faith in God. | ||
| He really does. | ||
| He is a genuinely brilliant, creative artist. | ||
| And I also think that he has this will. | ||
| And whether you think he could be the president or not, and whatever you think of him, I think he could be a tremendous force for good. | ||
| I think he absolutely has it in him. | ||
| More so than he has already. | ||
| But... | ||
| Somewhere along the way, lost the mission. | ||
| Because when we were out there in L.A. | ||
| in December 2022, there was this mission for him to become the, like, dictator of America, basically. | ||
| The fearless, visionary, Christian leader. | ||
| And again, regardless of whether you think it was possible or not, even if it was only an exercise, It could have been something remarkable, where he was talking about rewriting the Constitution, subordinating the law to the Bible, and especially calling out the Jewish media. | ||
| And he was obsessed with this, and working tirelessly on it all the time. | ||
| It seems like he got married and that's when and I'm not listen and I met Bianca a couple times And I don't know her and I'm not I'm not insinuating any blame but it would seem like that that is right around the time when things started to go in a different direction and Again, I'm not I'm just saying that happens to be that time so I don't know if he's distracted because it's sex or I | ||
| If there's an influence there, maybe it's some other personnel. | ||
| I don't know what it is, but it's been very disappointing because when we were around him, there was nothing unbiblical. | ||
| Everything was by the Bible. | ||
| We were going to churches. | ||
| It was all about the children. | ||
| It was all about no swearing, no profanity, no nudity, no sex before marriage. | ||
| His office was like a Christian dictatorship. | ||
| And now, it's like, you know, the wife is being paraded around naked in front of the kids, and the lyrics are filthy, and, you know, they're doing sexual stuff in public, and... So, I love him. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I love him as a guy. | ||
| I still believe in him. | ||
| I still support him. | ||
| But... We gotta pray for him to get out of this, cause... | ||
| You know, something's going on with him and it's nothing good. | ||
| I feel like it's very dark energy and he's got a very innocent spirit and he's very boyish. | ||
| I feel like he's very given to his appetites and impulses and, you know, so I would pray that he gets rescued from some of that because he's a good guy. | ||
| I really believe it deep down. | ||
| Well, I know it. | ||
| and I mean I knew him but but yeah it's it's a shame what's happened | ||
| Because the last, one of the last, not the last one, but one of the last conversations I had with him, we were feeling good, we were building the campaign website, we were ready to run, and we were talking about, I don't want to spoil all of it, but we were talking about some pretty innovative things, and I just feel like all of that has just gone away since that time period. | ||
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Excuse me, so... That's okay. | |
| You know, there's time. | ||
| There will be time, hopefully, for him to refocus and get back on track a little bit, but it's been hard to watch, to be honest with you. | ||
| Smitty Jackson sent $50, how would you have advised Putin strategically in this huge interview that tens of millions of Americans will see? | ||
| Pretty yappy and a waste of potential IMO. | ||
| Also what are your thoughts on Destiny beating you in your guy's second debate on immigration? | ||
| You destroyed him in the first one but he kinda owned you in the follow up. | ||
| Gotta give him credit. | ||
| No, I disagree. | ||
| If you rewatch it, I won that debate. | ||
| Nice try though, that's a nice attempt at baiting me. | ||
| I won the poll. | ||
| We did a poll. | ||
| I won the poll. | ||
| Everyone in the live chat agreed I won that debate. | ||
| As far as what I would say for Putin, I don't know. | ||
| I really question the value of it, to be honest with you. | ||
| I mean, the idea is that you break the wall down and you generate internal dissent within the United States and destroy the mandate to continue the war. | ||
| Theoretically, that would be the opportunity. | ||
| So in order to do that, I would make the most compelling, effective argument for why the war is the West's fault and why they're holding out on creating a peace deal. | ||
| But at the end of the day, How much is that really going to move the needle? | ||
| I'm pretty skeptical. | ||
| How much is that really going to change anything? | ||
| I'm not really sure. | ||
| It would also seem that Putin is abiding by the rules of sovereignty, like he's not interfering in the West and its internal affairs because he could have really... | ||
| I mean, he could go out there and say some radical stuff. | ||
| He could go out there and be just, he could just generate propaganda. | ||
| Then again, that would discredit any, if he were to go, so for example, if he were to go in there and say, here's the evidence that Nord Stream 2 was blown up by America, and here's the evidence that Whatever, you know, the deep state controls the government. | ||
| But that, if he were to do that, it would discredit any of those narratives. | ||
| So they have to be slipped in covertly. | ||
| There can't be... He can't be seen holding the knife, so to speak. | ||
| So, you know, maybe that's why. | ||
| John Smith sent $50. | ||
| Putin had a weird response to the Christian question Tucker asked him. | ||
| Great stream. | ||
| I don't think it was that weird. | ||
| But thanks for the super chat. | ||
| I thought it was good. | ||
| Death to Israel sent $10. | ||
| Jews hijacked our country and took away the sovereignty of our citizens. | ||
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They have flooded our country with hordes of dark... I disavow that. | |
| Talking like that doesn't help anybody. | ||
| You talk like that, one, you sound like an imbecile. | ||
| Two, you're just gonna get yourself hurt. | ||
| So, disavow that. | ||
| I mean, you sound like a retard. | ||
| Chuggers sent $5. | ||
| He was eliminated by a patriot that was wild. | ||
| Okay, thank you for that. | ||
| I don't talk about Jews, are you serious? | ||
| about Ming Ming but get shy about DJO's control of opening parenthesis, opening parenthesis, opening parenthesis, Jew, or closing parenthesis, closing parenthesis, closing parenthesis, are you opening parenthesis, opening parenthesis, opening parenthesis, controlled? - Okay, thank you for that. | ||
| I don't talk about Jews, are you serious? | ||
| Watch my show, retard. - Smitty Jackson sent $5. | ||
| You can hate Destiny but also realize he's a smart guy and a once-in-a-generation debater, and has bested you a couple times. | ||
| You've still wrecked him seven ninths times. | ||
| Have some humility and modesty. | ||
| Oh wait, this is that idiot from before. | ||
| Okay, so this is probably one of John Dave Irving's alts. | ||
| This is that idiot who was saying, What was the argument? | ||
| I said something like, I'm a non-interventionist, but when we take power, we're gonna be imperialists. | ||
| And this guy said, no, we can't do that because war is bad. | ||
| I think this is that same fad from months ago. | ||
| Okay, so you're just trolling me. | ||
| Nice try. | ||
| You almost got me. | ||
| No, that's a given. | ||
| That's a given that you let the... Is that really the bar? | ||
| If you don't interrupt, that's the mark of a good interviewer? | ||
| the respect he showed, and he let Putin speak which is what I actually wanted to hear. | ||
| No, that's a given. | ||
| That's a given that you let the... | ||
| Is that really the bar? | ||
| If you don't interrupt, that's the mark of a good interviewer? | ||
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| DB 123 cent $5. | ||
| It's an objective fact that neo-Nazi groups like Azov, Kraken, Right Sector etc. are funded by NATO in torture and genocide innocent Russians in Donbass for eight years. | ||
| They are also linked to Israel. | ||
| This whole thing is much more complex. | ||
| Again, I don't see how that makes it any more persuasive. | ||
| What's the argument? | ||
| The left are hypocrites? | ||
| Give me a break. | ||
| Oh, actually they are Nazis! | ||
| Okay, who does that persuade? | ||
| Show me the overlap of people that are watching sympathetically an interview with Vladimir Putin and would also be swayed by this argument. | ||
| Who is that supposed to appeal to? | ||
| Soxcroix percent ten dollars. | ||
| No message. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Smitty Jackson sent $3 if I were Putin's father. | ||
| Reactionary Reader sent $5. | ||
| I thought Tucker's questions about China threatening Russia's sovereignty and if he would quickly accept a peace deal were interesting. | ||
| Clearly wants the U.S. | ||
| to finalize its pivot to Asia as many in U.S. | ||
| intel want and the Ukraine war impedes this. | ||
| Yeah, I said that last night. | ||
| I think that's Tucker's angle. | ||
| Because Tucker is a China hawk. | ||
| So I said this last night, I am supportive of Russia because in order for there to be regime change in America, there has to be pressure from outside and inside. | ||
| Historically, that's when regime change occurs. | ||
| In Russia, Iran, France, the United States, anywhere. | ||
| The only way that you get regime change is if the United States is knocked down a peg. | ||
| For economic reasons, security reasons, cultural reasons, political reasons. | ||
| So that's why I support America's adversaries outright. | ||
| That's why I'm kind of sympathetic to Russia and China and Iran and the BRICS. | ||
| Because the more that they can create an alternative system and exert pressure on the United States, The closer the United States gets to some kind of calamity, where we can rise up. | ||
| What's more, if that doesn't happen, it diminishes the power of the people in Washington who are our adversaries. | ||
| The people that are jailing the capital rioters, they're literally the same people that are prosecuting the war in Ukraine, in many cases. | ||
| So, I support both Russia and China, and I support The BRICS and I support Iran. | ||
| I support all of them pressing on the pressure points of the American regime in the world. | ||
| And I support them expanding their jurisdiction. | ||
| That's good for me as an American dissident. | ||
| But that's not why Tucker is sympathetic to Putin. | ||
| Tucker is sympathetic to Putin because that is survival for Washington. | ||
| At this point, it is the pragmatic argument that benefits Washington to end this war. | ||
| He's like the voice of reason for the American elite. | ||
| The American elite are giving themselves to these delusions, and Tucker is like the voice of reason on behalf of Washington. | ||
| And saying it's in our best interest to survive to end this war. | ||
| So he's arguing that ending this war makes Washington stronger. | ||
| And that's why he wants it. | ||
| Because he thinks that the real threat to Washington, and he's right about this, is coming from China. | ||
| And he wants to drive a wedge between Russia and China, rather than driving them together. | ||
| And he wants to confront China, not Russia. | ||
| And to a lesser extent, not confront Iran. | ||
| So in that sense, Tucker is on board with Washington. | ||
| He wants Washington to be powerful. | ||
| He wants Washington to survive. | ||
| He wants Washington to be as powerful as possible. | ||
| And that's his angle. | ||
| So Tucker is pro-Russia, or maybe I wouldn't even say that. | ||
| I would say that he's not anti-Russia, but he's anti-China. | ||
| I'm pro-Russia and pro-China. | ||
| And I'm pro-Russia and pro-China because I'm an American dissident. | ||
| Tucker is not anti-Russia because he is a loyal servant of Washington, and he is anti-China for the same reason. | ||
| So he goes to this interview as a class traitor to try to compel the American security state to back off of Russia so they could focus on China and maintain some power. | ||
| So that's his angle, but he's still working for Washington. | ||
| That's why he went and supported Malay. | ||
| What did Malay do? | ||
| Prevented Argentina's accession to the BRICS. | ||
| And Tucker goes to Canada to try to overthrow Justin Trudeau. | ||
| And he goes to Hungary to support Orban, who is in bed with Likud, and his father works at the Hungarian embassy, and so on and so forth. | ||
| So Tucker is not a dissident. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| Tucker is like one part of the dialectic of the security state, but he's still on their side. | ||
| But he's, he's maybe, uh, representing a different point of view. | ||
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| Great analysis. | ||
| I agree Tucker isn't worthy of this interview. | ||
| Especially bizarre when he was running cover for that obvious spy pretending to be a journalist. | ||
| Yeah, well, again, he's a shill, I think, for the CIA. | ||
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| I think that was great. - Thank you, glad you liked it. - Stunky1 sent $10. | ||
| Great show boss baby. | ||
| Very handsome as always. | ||
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| I am handsome. - Catholic Italian sent $5. | ||
| The Catholic Church is the one true church founded by Jesus Christ. | ||
| Pray the rosary every day. | ||
| God bless you Nick. | ||
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- So true. - Sipip sent $3. | |
| Honestly feel gross when listening to Vultures because it feels like such a fall from grace, not to put him down because I could listen to the old stuff and not flinch but after Donda it feels sad. | ||
| Yeah, I feel the same way. | ||
| It was jarring when I listened to the first listening party and the lyrics are just like, I want to fuck something, you know, one in the pink, one in the stink, all that kind of stuff. | ||
| I'm like, dude, What happened to not swearing what happened to Christian lyrics and I wasn't the biggest fan I feel like a lot of the Christian stuff was You know the execution wasn't perfect But yeah, I feel exactly the same way it's like so what so what happened to that Are we just totally turning our back on that you're now just like a degenerate again Yeah, big letdown | ||
| That's funny, dude. | ||
| The boomers on Rumble are not ready for this. | ||
| Come on, man! | ||
| What about separation of church and state? | ||
| We are so far beyond that, bro. | ||
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We are so past that. | |
| The boomers will learn. | ||
| funny dude the boomers on rumble are not ready for this come on man what about separation of church and state we are so far beyond that bro we are so past that the boomers will learn i will teach them john dave irving sent 80 Yes, the No Holds Barred podcast, I've heard a lot about this. | ||
| I didn't know, I think it's actually insulting they did it during my show, but that's okay. | ||
| sign the pledge i will reap keel and dow for nicholas j fuentes wow thank you for the big super chat yes the no holds barred podcast i've heard a lot about this i didn't know i think it's actually insulting they did it during my show but that's okay it's their prerogative listen you already God bless your family. | ||
| I appreciate the support. | ||
| Yes, it is happening this year. | ||
| or chatted in a minute, but we appreciate you and all the great dialogue over the years. | ||
| My apologies if you've discussed this, but as if PAC happening in 24, lots of love to you and may God bless you and your family. | ||
| Thank you very much for the big super chat. | ||
| God bless your family. | ||
| I appreciate the support. | ||
| Yes, it is happening this year. | ||
| Hopefully we'll be making an announcement about that rather soon. | ||
| Just got to get the deep. | ||
| You know, these things get harder and harder to put on as the years go by because I keep getting more and more radical. | ||
| So it feels like. | ||
| And we're getting bigger and bigger. | ||
| The bigger and more radical you get, the more roadblocks they put up. | ||
| So we're definitely going to do it this year. | ||
| But we'll probably put out that information soon. | ||
| Okay, I'm not reading. | ||
| Oh, here we go. | ||
| It is this guy! | ||
| It is this guy! | ||
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Boohoo! | |
| Boohoo! | ||
| This has gotta be a bit- This has gotta be a troll. | ||
| Tell me again are you- Listen, buddy. | ||
| with death, horrific violence and destabilization in a foreign country as long as it isn't for Israel. | ||
| You're unprincipled. | ||
| Being anti-war makes me a liberal supposedly, right? | ||
| Dumb fuck. | ||
| Your audience and chat agrees with me by the way. - Boo hoo, boo hoo. | ||
| This has gotta be a bit, this has gotta be a troll. | ||
| Tell me again, are you, listen buddy, death is a part of life. | ||
| I hate to be the one to have to give you the bad news. | ||
| Your parents didn't do it. | ||
| But everybody dies eventually. | ||
| And it is the business of governments to kill people. | ||
| That's why governments are appointed by God. | ||
| Leaders are raised up and they are given the privilege to kill and to order those to kill and be killed. | ||
| It's the way of the world. | ||
| You have a problem with it? | ||
| "take it up with mankind." - Johnny Bravo, seven cent, $3. | ||
| Great reaction to this interview, Nick. | ||
| I must say, Tim Pool has had so many irrelevant no-namey thoughts on his show, that being a guest there just doesn't hold the same value anymore. | ||
| It's whatever. | ||
| I mean, at this point, I'm like... I tell these people, I'm like, let's just stop playing games. | ||
| Book me, don't book me. | ||
| Let's stop playing games. | ||
| The girl was texting me these paragraphs, paragraphs. | ||
| It's so hard to book you because blah blah blah. | ||
| I'm like, listen. | ||
| Stop yapping. | ||
| I mean, book me or don't book me. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| You want a cookie? | ||
| Because you tried? | ||
| What are you, some kind of martyr? | ||
| You're the booking agent for the show. | ||
| So, you know, book me. | ||
| Don't book me. | ||
| Otherwise, why are we having this conversation? | ||
| She goes, well I'm advocating for you and I want you to be on the show and blah blah blah. | ||
| Alright, make it happen. | ||
| Or don't. | ||
| I don't really care that much anymore. | ||
| But she's just yapping yapping and she gets all offended every time people on social media give her a hard time. | ||
| They're a martyr. | ||
| Oh, but I worked so hard to get Nick on the show. | ||
| You haven't! | ||
| It hasn't happened. | ||
| I worked so hard and I get attacked by your people. | ||
| Okay, what do you want from me? | ||
| You're the booking agent for a hypocrite. | ||
| The Tim Pool Show says they're a free speech show. | ||
| I mean, at various times over the past three years, I've been the hottest thing in politics. | ||
| And I'm certainly hotter than many people that are on the show. | ||
| And they have some objection to me being on the show. | ||
| Okay, well that's your problem. | ||
| You're a booking agent and you're kind of engaged in a fundamentally hypocritical enterprise. | ||
| You're a booking agent for a free speech show that has no free speech. | ||
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Sorry? | |
| No one is making you do this. | ||
| If you have a problem with it, get another job. | ||
| Take it up with Tim Pool. | ||
| You have been put in the unfortunate situation of defending hypocrisy. | ||
| Sorry? | ||
| Welcome to politics? | ||
| Like, I don't know what to tell you. | ||
| That's why women don't belong, because they're just fucking annoying about stuff like this, you know? | ||
| Women, they just can't take the heat. | ||
| They're not tough. | ||
| They go on social media and they dump their garbage opinions and bullshit on everybody. | ||
| It goes back the other way and then they want you to come and wipe their ass. | ||
| You know, they want you to come in and wipe their disgusting little butts. | ||
| Because they're so incapable. | ||
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So... So annoying. | |
| She texted me fucking a hundred things today. | ||
| She says, You know, not everyone is out to get you. | ||
| People act like it's the easiest thing to just book Nick Fuentes. | ||
| First of all, you need a guest to counter him. | ||
| Like YouTube where they'll just pull the episode down. | ||
| Secondly, it doesn't do any service to Nick to put him on a debate with idiots like the one debate he did that had three people. | ||
| I think one of them was the girl that was running for Congress. | ||
| That was a joke. | ||
| You don't want to get mindless idiots like the Krasensteins. | ||
| And a lot of people say no. | ||
| Why on earth would I have reached out to him originally to ask for him to be on the show? | ||
| I would have none of this drama if I never contacted him from the get-go. | ||
| Again, it was me that reached out to him first because I think he deserves a fair intellectual debate. | ||
| And since then, I've asked people, but I haven't gotten anybody that I consider credible that said yes. | ||
| So there was nothing to update him on. | ||
| For the record, I think you get unfairly blacklisted. | ||
| I do! | ||
| Again, what do you want, a trophy? | ||
| Oh, thank you, thank you. | ||
| It's the reality. | ||
| For the record, I think you get treated unfairly. | ||
| I know! | ||
| I do! | ||
| It's just objectively a fact! | ||
| What, do you want me to kiss your ass? | ||
| Oh, thank you for saying that! | ||
| Oh, thank you so much! | ||
| Thank you, thank you! | ||
| I know, bitch! | ||
| That's my life! | ||
| Yes, it was deeply unfair when they put me on the federal no-fly list, froze half a million dollars, banned me from payment processing, and stripped me of my income, and banned me from all social media, and subpoenaed me, and I had to pay quarter million dollars in legal fees. | ||
| Yeah, that was all very unfair. | ||
| I'm aware of that. | ||
| Thank you for telling me. | ||
| For the record, I think you get unfairly blacklisted. | ||
| Oh, do you? | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Even now? | ||
| Well, I'm disappointed at your post. | ||
| Dude, women are just... This is why I'm an incel. | ||
| Among many other reasons. | ||
| I will still advocate for you to be on not just a culture war, but any show because it's the right thing to do. | ||
| You know, again, it's like, what do you want from me? | ||
| You know, my life is this way because I I have integrity and I have made decisions about what I'm gonna do and what I'm not gonna do. | ||
| Compromises I'm unwilling to make. | ||
| And it is the way it is. | ||
| I don't need you to tell me that's how it is. | ||
| And you come to me and complain that you're on a show where they're hypocritical and you get attacked for it. | ||
| You want me to defend you because you... you're apparently trying to get me on the show and like, you know, theoretically you support me? | ||
| Hey guys, stop attacking her. | ||
| She's trying her best. | ||
| I know she hasn't delivered on anything and she's not even really defending me at all in an unqualified way. | ||
| But hey, can we please be nice to this lady online? | ||
| Let her be a hypocrite! | ||
| What do you want from me? | ||
| So, I'm supposed to make all the sacrifices, also I have to defend you? | ||
| Why? | ||
| What have you done for me? | ||
| What have you done for any of us? | ||
| You get a nice salary to do this job on this show that has no problems. | ||
| You're on YouTube. | ||
| I'm supposed to feel sorry for you? | ||
| You're on YouTube. | ||
| You make tons of money because you're self-censor. | ||
| You gatekeep me out of your platform. | ||
| You get rightfully attacked for it. | ||
| You text me with the sob story you're a martyr. | ||
| I'm supposed to feel sorry for you and rush to your defense? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| And that was just the beginning! | ||
| So I replied back. | ||
| I said, fair enough. | ||
| That's not what you said on Twitter. | ||
| You said I can't come on the show because someone pissed you off. | ||
| That was unprofessional. | ||
| Don't take it personally. | ||
| Tim doesn't want me on the show. | ||
| It puts you in a tough spot. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| It obviously doesn't help when you say you're not bringing me on despite some random person on Twitter. | ||
| That was a joke! | ||
| It was 100% a joke! | ||
| You know I would never say that, but okay, whatever. | ||
| Are you gonna bring me on the show or not? | ||
| Like, what are we doing here? | ||
| Why are we playing these games? | ||
| So annoying so and Anyway. | ||
| Zachariah Seed sent $3. | ||
| Have you seen that John Mearsheimer-Lex Friedman interview on YouTube? | ||
| Bro str8up said he was happily okay with America becoming minority white. | ||
| He also suggested that he was ethnically Jewish. | ||
| Seussesf tbh. | ||
| Mearsheimer said that? | ||
| I watched the interview. | ||
| I don't remember that part. | ||
| Smitty Jackson sent $10. | ||
| You are living in 1860 with that take. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It's the current year. | ||
| Smitty Jackson sent $5. | ||
| Debate me pussy. | ||
| We're debating right now. | ||
| Just keep sending superchats. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| We're in a debate right now. | ||
| You just have to pay $5 every time you want to say something. | ||
| Joe Biden sent $3. | ||
| I talked to the President of Mexico, LCC, and convinced him to open up the gates. | ||
| Yeah, that was crazy when that happened. | ||
| Destiny's Nick Forever sent $3. | ||
| Will you ever reconcile with Destiny? | ||
| He said on stream he would be willing to talk again. | ||
| Uh, maybe. | ||
| But he's gotta stop treating me badly. | ||
| Because the thing is, I was always willing to talk to him, and then in around October, September 2022, he made up some convoluted excuse for why he was gonna blacklist me. | ||
| Do you remember this? | ||
| Some guy who I don't even know anymore, I don't even talk to, Mass reported a friend of destiny's and so destiny said well for that reason I will never talk to Nick Fuentes again All right. | ||
| I will not talk to him for a long time and Then when I got hooked up with Kanye, oh then that Prohibition was lifted then all of a sudden it was okay to talk to me again And I said well not so fast a month ago you don't want to talk to me because of some convoluted reason now that I'm More famous. | ||
| Now you want to talk again. | ||
| Now you want to do no jumper. | ||
| I said, I don't think so. | ||
| Not so fast. | ||
| Then, when Ye 24 wrapped up, and I was back in Chicago, then he put the prohibition back in place and said, oh, now I'm not going to talk to Nick ever again. | ||
| Again. | ||
| Then, last summer, when I was on Fresh and Fit, and I had a huge audience, he just showed up. | ||
| I was there, I was booked on the show for three days in a row, and after the first episode was huge, he just showed up, because he lives there, to do an impromptu debate. | ||
| And suddenly, once again, the prohibition was lifted. | ||
| And then he was going to show up to my next debate, somewhere else, in a different city. | ||
| And I said, hang on a second. | ||
| I said, so, is this how it works? | ||
| Like, everywhere I go to get my own press, and get my own publicity, you're gonna just follow me around, and leech off of it, and just kind of be a general pissant, and try to take the wind out of my sails, because that's what he's there to do. | ||
| When he follows me around, it's not a debate series, he's there to just make me look bad, and he admitted as much. | ||
| He did this years ago and he said, I can't let him talk to that many people without a fact check or whatever. | ||
| And so it's literally just about this ideological thing where he's gotta come and just say, oh wait a second, aren't you a total freaking Nazi? | ||
| Wait a second, aren't you? | ||
| You know, I cannot be allowed to give my side of the story without him pushing it through his lens. | ||
| to the general public. | ||
| Like, that's what that's about. | ||
| Um, so I said, no, I'm not, I'm not going to, uh, you know, I'm not going to let you just bandwagon or, uh, follow me around on every one of these debates. | ||
| So you could just rain on my parade and leech off my publicity lights. | ||
| Like, you have your own stream. | ||
| You have all the opportunities in the world because you're a liberal. | ||
| If you want to do a debate, I'm happy to do a debate. | ||
| If you want to do a debate on your channel, I'll do a debate on your channel. | ||
| You want to do it on my channel, I'll do it on my channel. | ||
| I'm not gonna allow this where I can't get an interview anywhere without somebody to show up and just say, hey, fuck you, fuck you, you said this, you said that, you're a bad person. | ||
| You know, who would tolerate something like this? | ||
| So after I said that, he said, oh, well, I'm never talking to him again. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, you know, if he wants to treat me like With any degree of reciprocity. | ||
| And where it is mutually advantageous, I'm in favor of that. | ||
| You know, if we want to come together and create content and it's for our audiences, we can both promote ourselves. | ||
| You know, if we go, for example, if we go and do a debate, and that's what we commit to, and that's what we do, it's a big streaming event, everybody wins, I get to promote myself, he gets to promote himself, it's a big audience, we get to persuade people, we get to do the issues, we get to, you know, that's fine. | ||
| But I'm not gonna like be harassed and stalked around where it's like everywhere I go he just pops up and it's like I should be able, excuse me, to do interviews. | ||
| I should be able to conduct my own publicity. | ||
| But he wants it to be only one way where it's only the only time he'll have a stream with me is when it hurts me and benefits him and if it ever benefits me in any way he doesn't want to do it. | ||
| Like, if I were to go on his stream, it would benefit me, because I'd get in front of his audience, and he would also be in front of his audience. | ||
| So that benefits me more than him, he won't do it. | ||
| But if I have an interview scheduled, and he shows up, you know, that takes away from my interview, and it gives him another platform. | ||
| So, you know, when it's like that, you know, that's just not... why would I sign up for that? | ||
| So... I'm happy to do the content, Well, I don't even know if I'd say I'm happy I think he's just generally like a piece of shit but And I think we've realized that over time like one he doesn't know anything too. | ||
| He's not that smart three He's like a despicable person so You know, I'd be willing to talk to him because it's good content, but I you know, I'm not gonna enjoy it My opinion of him has never been lower Andy Poll is sent $109, Lisa acts like she needs someone good for you to debate. | ||
| Cap. | ||
| You could just discuss current events with Tim Pool and co. | ||
| They just hosted Blair White lol. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's always some excuse. | ||
| You know, they bring on people that are half as influential, half as in-demand or requested, and whenever it's me, oh, well, you know, we gotta find the exact right person. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Just bring on... You can push back. | ||
| It's not like you have to have a world-renowned... They're like, we need the right person to do the pushback. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Tim Pool's a smart guy. | ||
| He can't push back. | ||
| I mean, nobody on that panel agrees with me they can't push back. | ||
| It's so rid- fucking ridiculous. | ||
| It's like, I'm already one of the most censored people in the world, and when I go on a free speech platform, they're like, well, you cannot give your side unless we have- you're outnumbered 10 to 1, and they're all experts, and they have more airtime. | ||
| It's like, okay, then like, forget it, you know? | ||
| Don't you understand that if you have other opinions, you can be on YouTube, you can be on Twitter, you can be on Instagram, and you can reach as many people as you'd like, and you can use PayPal, and you can have a credit card processor, and you can make millions of dollars. | ||
| I am banned from everything. | ||
| I am blacklisted from everywhere. | ||
| I cannot access those platforms. | ||
| Myself, I cannot appear on those platforms as a guest. | ||
| I'm banned from CPAC. | ||
| I'm banned from the GOP. | ||
| I'm banned from most podcasts, even the ones that are sympathetic to me. | ||
| They don't even like my name being uttered aloud. | ||
| And then the mere idea that I would appear on one of these things God forbid and just like give my side of the story and they say no even on the even once in a blue moon when you can appear on a mainstream platform and it's a totally irregular thing it's a total miracle even then we have to assign somebody but not just anybody someone with tons of credibility and world expert and all this and they have to debate you | ||
| Are people really that afraid of the opposing opinion? | ||
| Like, no one can discern? | ||
| You can't find me anywhere. | ||
| I can barely fund my operation with the tools at my disposal. | ||
| Like, that's not good enough that I'm being drowned out by all the money and all the media in the world. | ||
| Again, offhand chance, I do get a larger audience, and you gotta have somebody to just be, like, pushing the entire time in the opposite direction. | ||
| It's like, that's so insane. | ||
| I think people don't even realize that. | ||
| How crazy that is. | ||
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| Ralph Munoz sent $20. | ||
| Nick, the more you talk about Catholicism, the more drawn I am to it. | ||
| A Seventh-day Adventist I know who watches your show is close to becoming Catholic. | ||
| What should be my KO points? | ||
| Thanks for everything you do. | ||
| Thanks for the super chat. | ||
| The KO for a Seventh-day Adventist, Well, those guys are charismatic, right? | ||
| Or am I thinking of other people? | ||
| I'm thinking of Pentecostals. | ||
| I don't know that much about SDAs. | ||
| I mean, they're really, like, they observe the dietary restrictions and I think their Sabbath is on, like, Saturday, right? | ||
| They got some funky beliefs. | ||
| I mean, look. | ||
| I don't think there's a KO argument. | ||
| I think that you're either open to it or you're not. | ||
| I don't think that religion is one of these things where you can, like, do... I mean, of course the arguments help get somebody along, but I think people have to be open to it. | ||
| I think a lot of Protestants are totally set in their ways. | ||
| It's cultural for them. | ||
| They have a deep affinity for it that you're not going to argue someone out of it. | ||
| Um, so you have to kind of start there and say, I don't, I don't think, I think it's the wrong way to approach this to say, you know, if I talk to such and such a person, if I just say the words in the right combination, you know, they will change their faith. | ||
| I don't think faith works that way. | ||
| I think that faith comes from grace, which comes from God. | ||
| And so it's not a question of, you know, our efforts. | ||
| It's a question of how open people are to that grace. | ||
| And, you know, the arguments can be a part of that, but it's really up to that person. | ||
| And as far as good arguments go, well, I would just go back to the fact that Catholicism is the only one that makes any sense. | ||
| From, uh, just in terms of what makes sense as a system, because, and I don't know, again, I don't know the theology of Seventh-day Adventists, I don't know all the different denominations, but the Catholic Church came first. | ||
| You have Jesus, Jesus has his apostles, and he anoints Peter to be the leader of them. | ||
| And Peter bases his church in Rome. | ||
| And the rest is history. | ||
| I mean, to me, it really is as simple as that. | ||
| That Peter was given the keys to bind and loose sins. | ||
| His name was changed. | ||
| That's not his birth name. | ||
| His birth name was Simon. | ||
| They changed it to Peter, meaning rock. | ||
| And then Jesus said, you are the rock. | ||
| Upon which I will build the church. | ||
| What a coincidence. | ||
| And everybody says that that means everything other than the obvious. | ||
| Hi, your name is Rock. | ||
| On this rock, I build my church. | ||
| And people say, no, they didn't mean him though. | ||
| They didn't mean Simon. | ||
| They mean somebody else. | ||
| They mean, they mean the collective. | ||
| How does that make any sense? | ||
| They renamed him Rock. | ||
| And he was given the keys and he's mentioned over a hundred times. | ||
| Mentioned more than any of the other apostles and Like with Paul, one of the central figures. | ||
| And, of course, then it is the Catholic Church, led by Rome, which creates the Bible, which baptizes the Roman Empire. | ||
| And it's the biggest church. | ||
| It's the one with apostolic succession. | ||
| It's the one that has not been overcome by any other forces, you know, because you could say, well, the East Orthodox have apostolic succession, but they were overrun by Muslims. | ||
| Do we really believe that Christ's Church would be overrun by communists and Muslims? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| And also, the East Orthodox doesn't have Peter. | ||
| You know, Peter is in the Roman Church, so... | ||
| And then you go from there, Roman Catholicism is the only church that has the unity that comes from one leader. | ||
| And as a consequence, it's the only one that's coherent. | ||
| The Catholic Church, protected from error, protected from the gates of hell, promulgates one doctrine that a billion plus are compelled to follow. | ||
| And again, it's that church that has those four attributes. | ||
| It's one, it's holy, it's Catholic, it's apostolic. | ||
| For 2,000 years. | ||
| And it's united. | ||
| And then you have these people that say, well, no, it's the church that got overtaken by Muslims. | ||
| No, it's the church that started in the 16th century by a reformist. | ||
| No, it's the church that started in the 19th century by a new prophet in America. | ||
| No, it's the church that comes from, you know, from a derivative of a derivative of a derivative and there's like 10,000 people in it. | ||
| You know, so it's like what's what's the basis of authority for the Seventh-day Adventists? | ||
| What's the basis of authority for their interpretation? | ||
| How does that system make any sense? | ||
| So I always go back to the authority and the oneness of the church. | ||
| The authority which comes from Jesus. | ||
| The oneness which comes from the fact that we have a church that is united and the unity proceeds from the oneness of the Pope. | ||
| Meaning that, you know, if you have like in the East Orthodox, there's like five churches and they're debating it out and there's there's no clear leader with authority, you can promulgate different doctrines. | ||
| That becomes a problem eventually. | ||
| So for me, it's the oneness. | ||
| It's the succession, which is authority. | ||
| It's this understanding that the church created by Jesus preceded the Bible, which many Protestants, the Bible comes first in their face. | ||
| For Catholics, Jesus comes first, then the church he created, then the Bible that the church created. | ||
| Created by which church? | ||
| The Catholic Church. | ||
| And then there's all these other arguments about, you know, where in the historical development did these other denominations arise? | ||
| They're very recent. | ||
| Where does their authority over their interpretation of Scripture come from? | ||
| Then you have the problem of they have 66 books instead of 73. | ||
| And they have the Hebrew translation, the Masoretic text instead of the Septuagint. | ||
| So, for me, it's like the more you look into it, the more you realize it's Rome. | ||
| It has to be Rome. | ||
| It has to be the Catholics. | ||
| It's the only one that makes any sense. | ||
| Otherwise, you know, you just have to hope that you have the right Protestant sect. | ||
| I hope I'm in the right one, because if I'm in the wrong one, I go to hell. | ||
| How do I pick the wrong one? | ||
| Well, I hope the Holy Spirit tells me, but apparently the Holy Spirit is playing the telephone game, because the Holy Spirit is telling, and I don't mean to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, but I mean, you know, To follow this argument, it would follow then that the Holy Spirit is telling everybody a bunch of different things, because they're telling the Lutherans one thing, and it's telling... | ||
| The Baptist's another thing, and it's telling the Catholics something else. | ||
| It's telling the Mormons something altogether different. | ||
| You know, so if the basis is like, oh, well, like, I'm gonna pick the right one, because, like, God is gonna tell me. | ||
| It's like, well, people will disagree, okay? | ||
| Naturally, people will disagree over time on these things. | ||
| And that will give birth to radically different sects, which are going to be dividing all the time. | ||
| And then it's like, okay, so I'm in an independent Baptist church of 50 people and this one is right because I think it is. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| I don't know how that works as a system. | ||
| So that's why it doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| Destiny's Nick Forever sent $3. | ||
| You and Destiny are the most formidable and intelligent debaters of our generation, and it's a shame to miss out on a well-articulated clash between ideologies. | ||
| No shot. | ||
| He's not... Formidable and intelligent? | ||
| He doesn't know where Israel is on a map. | ||
| He thought the Bible was written in Arabic. | ||
| That's a formidable debater? | ||
| Like, the guy has no deep background at all. | ||
| John Dave Irving sent $3, John Dave Irving will debate you on Tim Pool. | ||
| I'm off work for Malcolm X Day, so let's get it in motion. | ||
| Smitty Jackson sent $20, I'm a huge supporter of you and your message and have sent you over $3,000 dollars since I started watching you 4 years ago. | ||
| Shitting on me and calling me a liberal for not wanting to kill people for our betterment is complete bullshit. | ||
| In our ideal future where we control the country, why not be isolationist? | ||
| We've been over this. | ||
| You're too stupid to debate this. | ||
| Thank you for the money, but you're obviously out of your depth on this question. | ||
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And, uh... You're gay, also. | |
| So I don't even know I'm talking to you because you're a certified homosexual. | ||
| Do you want us to not kill people overseas because you want to have gay sex with them? | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Is it something like that? | ||
| You want these, uh, boy-lover societies to go on? | ||
| Honestly, you're a disgusting freak, and it disturbs me. | ||
| The depths of your depravity know no bounds. | ||
| You're a sick, what are you, a male-to-female transgender? | ||
| Are you on your estrogen? | ||
| You cooking up receipt paper and water? | ||
| Because you can't afford your pills, buddy? | ||
| You gotta get real, okay? | ||
| You gotta... All I'm gonna say is this. | ||
| You wanna debate? | ||
| This is my argument. | ||
| You need to get real, buddy. | ||
| This is the real world. | ||
| Wake up and smell the coffee. | ||
| Wake up and... smell reality, pal. | ||
| People die every day. | ||
| Wars go on. | ||
| And it's necessary. | ||
| And that is what America will do when we take power. | ||
| - M sent $3. | ||
| Do you agree with the notion that states exist in a state of anarchy with one another? | ||
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- Yeah, absolutely. - John Smith sent $3. | |
| Would you be a Goebbels or a Hitler in a future based America? | ||
| Genuinely curious on how you consider your strengths and weaknesses. | ||
| Zachariah Seed sent $3. | ||
| Also, it seems obvious Tucker has to be some type of agent. | ||
| His body language, mannerisms and demeanor always looks so fake, practiced and forced. | ||
| Like his laugh and the constant serious shit face. | ||
| I think it's more that his dad was a fed that is the evidence for this. | ||
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No, no, absolutely not. | |
| That never happens. | ||
| Well, I wouldn't say it that way. | ||
| But I would just say, look, book me on the show or don't. | ||
| in ways other than homemaking and child rearing? | ||
| No, no, absolutely not. | ||
| That never happens. | ||
| Am Hoplite sent $100. | ||
| Fuck that bitch, Lisa. | ||
| Well, I wouldn't say it that way, but I would just say, look, book me on the show or don't. | ||
| I don't need the waterworks. | ||
| But thank you for the big super chat. | ||
| We love you. | ||
| Putting the show on your back. | ||
| My guy. | ||
| Ralph Munoz sent $20, thanks for that, Nick. | ||
| FYI, Seventh Day Adventists are anti-Catholics by the way. | ||
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They're all anti-Catholic. | |
| Appreciate you, a lot. | ||
| I want to continue supporting your movement by any means. | ||
| The least I can do is keep donating. | ||
| 07 Well hey, thank you very much, I appreciate the support. | ||
| In what way was any of it taken out of context? | ||
| And in what way is it bad? | ||
| He doesn't know these things. | ||
| giving credit to destiny for his intellectual achievements slash debates. | ||
| It's bad faith. | ||
| The Israel thing and that whole compilation of clips was completely taken out of context by the way. | ||
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In what way was any of it taken out of context? | |
| And in what way is it bad? | ||
| He doesn't know these things. | ||
| He looked at a video of Erdogan and said, oh, look, that's Assad, the president of Israel. | ||
| So it's like three things he got wrong. | ||
| How is that bad faith or out of context? | ||
| Like he was just wrong. | ||
| He took a map quiz, which shows a map of the United States of America, and asks you, it prompts you, to label the states with the names of the states. | ||
| And he got half of it wrong. | ||
| How is that out of context or bad faith? | ||
| How can somebody opine on American politics and they cannot locate Virginia on a map? | ||
| That's kind of a big deal. | ||
| How can somebody have a serious debate about the Middle East and they don't know who Bashar al-Assad or Netanyahu or Erdogan or Arafat are? | ||
| Much less locate them on a map. | ||
| How can you talk about the geopolitics of the Middle East if you think Egypt shares a border with Russia? | ||
| Which he did. | ||
| How can you talk about the Middle East if you thought that Arabs We're in the Levant in the 1st century. | ||
| The 1st and 2nd century, which is what you'd have to believe if you think... or even before that if you think the Bible is written in Arabic. | ||
| None of that is bad faith or out of context. | ||
| The guy just doesn't know what he's talking about. | ||
| Edgemaster69 sent $3. | ||
| Your presence on Twitter would be great with Elon Bolshevik posting RN. | ||
| Oh, he's Bolshevik posting. | ||
| Cactus Lamarter sent $3. | ||
| Do you get mad when Mexicans fly their flag in city? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Thrax sent $3. | ||
| Peter was the Bishop of two seas, Rome and Antioch. | ||
| Bishop of Antioch is still Orthodox with direct line of succession from him. | ||
| What does not having Peter entail and is it historically consistent? | ||
| That's just a dumb argument. | ||
| We went over that in the day when Jay died. | ||
| Thank you, Jimbo. | ||
| Jimbo's the one that did the investigative work on this. | ||
| with a fact check on the Destiny simp. | ||
| None of it is out of context. | ||
| I'm the log bro is straight up retarded and didn't know about literally anything three months ago. | ||
| Skull. - Thank you, Jimbo. | ||
| Jimbo's the one that did the investigative work on this. | ||
| He knows what's up. - Destiny's Nick forever sent $3. | ||
| You're so ignorant and bad faith. | ||
| Just because Destiny is a liberal doesn't make him a retard. | ||
| Hess ATL East your IQ or more. | ||
| There's better criticisms of him than calling him stupid. | ||
| I'm not hearing any arguments. | ||
| You're just bitching. | ||
| Quit your bitchin', buddy. | ||
| Cause that's all you're doing. | ||
| You're just a whining bitch right now. | ||
| He is objectively stupid. | ||
| And I'm tired of pretending that he isn't. | ||
| There's nothing smart about him and he doesn't know what he's talking about. | ||
| That's just true. | ||
| And if you listen to him argue, you would know that. | ||
| And maybe the problem is that you're stupid. | ||
| I'm starting to gather that that's also the problem. | ||
| Is that you're stupid. | ||
| Destinysnk4 ever sent $3? | ||
| Have you seen the full clips? | ||
| Moron. | ||
| Yes, I watched the full clip of him failing a US map quiz. | ||
| Where's... I'm sorry, what's the missing context? | ||
| Please tell me. | ||
| ComputerZoomer sent $3. | ||
| I've been watching a lot of Catholic Answers and Trent Horn. | ||
| What do you think of Trent Horn? | ||
| He doesn't like you for being anti-semitic. | ||
| Well, he's a Jew, so, I mean, that makes sense, but... I think he's good for apologetics. | ||
| He's not red-pilled in any way, shape, or form, but he's good on Catholic apologetics. | ||
| So... Alright, look, I gotta get... I'm still doing a whole other stream tonight, or at least I plan to. | ||
| I don't even know... I mean, now I've been streaming for, like, a hundred hours. | ||
| So my plan is to still go live uh you know at some point tonight to do my show but this stream has been four and a half hours this is a long stream so I gotta call it there if I'm gonna do a show but that is my plan I may cancel because I'm like tired right now but the plan is for me to come back at some point tonight and do a show so Stay tuned to the Telegram. | ||
| I may do it, I may cancel. | ||
| I've been streaming for a long time, so I might actually cancel, but we'll see. | ||
| So that's that. | ||
| I'm gonna have to end it there. | ||
| That's my stream. | ||
| But hey, listen, you know, a lot of this stuff I'm playing around. | ||
| I hope you guys know, for the Rumble audience that's watching, and I'm gonna give a one-time disclaimer. | ||
| When I go back and forth to Super Chatters, you can't take it personally. | ||
| This is part of the show, okay? | ||
| So if there are some boomers watching on Rumble, this is part of the fun. | ||
| It's combative, it's edgy, so don't take it too personally. | ||
| I love all of you guys. | ||
| I hope you know. | ||
| Even if you don't love me, I love you guys. | ||
| I'm not, you know... | ||
| We're playing it up. | ||
| We're playing it up for the content. | ||
| It's supposed to be fun. | ||
| So, hope you don't take it too personally. | ||
| But I appreciate everybody watching the stream. | ||
| This is my biggest stream on Rumble yet. | ||
| Nearly 15,000 live viewers. | ||
| Huge, huge stream. | ||
| Beating the competition. | ||
| No check mark. | ||
| No front page. | ||
| Being censored for years. | ||
| So I really appreciate all the support. | ||
| Make sure to follow me here on Rumble. | ||
| Smash the follow button. | ||
| Smash the like button. | ||
| And tune in tonight. | ||
| I do a show every night. | ||
| And I'd like to do another Rumble exclusive maybe tomorrow about Patriot Front, so stay tuned. | ||
| I don't know if I'll do it tomorrow or sometime this weekend, but I'd like to do another one of these maybe tomorrow. | ||
| We got a lot of exciting content coming up this year. | ||
| We're working on a brand new studio, really relaunching the show. | ||
| Things you're just not prepared for, so... Things, you know, I gotta prepare for. | ||
| I gotta start doing my show on time, but anyway. | ||
| Somebody says in the live chat, I'll be back on Monday. | ||
| Hey, I'm trying my best here, okay? | ||
| It's a lot of content. | ||
| But that's gonna do it for me. | ||
| Thanks to our Super Chatters. | ||
| Special thanks to John Dave Irving, Electrician Groyper, Andy. | ||
| Let's see, anybody else that I missed? | ||
| I think that's it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that's that. | ||
| I got a few more here. | ||
| I'll read them on the show. | ||
| So there's like three more I didn't get to. | ||
| I have to cut it off. | ||
| I'll read these on my show tonight, or if I come back tomorrow, I'll read them tomorrow. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| But that's gonna do it for me. | ||
| Thanks everybody for watching. | ||
| Hope you enjoyed the stream. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Follow me if you're not already. | ||
| Let me pick an outro song to play us out here. | ||
| I think we'll do a little Vultures, okay? | ||
| The Vultures listening party at United here in Chicago. | ||
| So we'll do a little theme here. | ||
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Alright. | |
| Thanks everybody! | ||
| Have a great night! | ||
| I'll see you guys later. | ||
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Americanism, not globalism. | |
| Time moving forward. | ||
| Enjoy the time moving forward for you. | ||
| We was gone off that old potion. | ||
| Hit that slow motion. | ||
| What you got going rogue? | ||
| Someone left a stove. | ||
| Oh, feel we too hot. | ||
| It was double R. | ||
| We was range roving with the Rocky Roly Rose Royce. | ||
| Rough Friday anthem, Jesse drop. | ||
| Shut them down, open up shop. | ||
| Got my heart broke. | ||
| I like that a lot. | ||
| Time, time moving slow. | ||
| I ain't tripping though. | ||
| I thought you had to know. | ||
| Time moving slow. | ||
| I just thought you had to know. | ||
| Time moving slow. | ||
| You are the only thing that felt like home. | ||
| How I thought I had it all. | ||
| Going through the messages that start on my phone With questions like I'm not alone You are the only thing that felt like Time moving slow Time moving slow Time moving slow Enjoy the time moving slow | ||
| I can't believe in you I see that you need Exceeded the limits Took over my story And rewrote the ending I just show up and deliver that shit. | ||
| Had to yacht out on the ocean, I did. | ||
| Go ahead and cry me a rivier. | ||
| To try to bring me to my lowest, I still brought the vision, I see through the blinds. | ||
| When everyone is, is a sign of the times. | ||
| Been falling behind. | ||
| I got some images stuck in my mind. | ||
| I gotta hit 'em the perfect time. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| Don't eat shrimp, for real. |
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