Jan. 7, 2024 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes
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We're 75. | |
| We're sharing each other. | ||
| Mirror the father. | ||
| Set on a lever. | ||
| Drips from your eyes. | ||
| We are the people of the world. | ||
| Lost my name in every corner, girl. | ||
| Only a choice if you know what I'm taking down. | ||
| We can try to live an adventure. | ||
| Long and summer. | ||
| Follow us up till night. | ||
| Wherever I miss the other times of life. | ||
| For each of the others. | ||
| The feeling was stronger. | ||
| Shocked or never. | ||
| Come up in your eyes. | ||
| I can't do it when I think you're gonna be. | ||
| I'm gonna try. | ||
| No, you're gonna leave me now. | ||
| Can't you leave me, leave me now. | ||
| I can't do it when I think you're gonna be. | ||
| I'm gonna try. | ||
| No, you're gonna leave me now. | ||
| Can't you leave me, leave me now. | ||
| Can't you remember the other night. | ||
| It was the way we energized. | ||
| Lions said that I'm visualized. | ||
| Like it's 75 again. | ||
| We are the people of the world. | ||
| Lost my name in every corner. | ||
| Only a choice if you know what I'm taking down. | ||
| Take me now. | ||
| We can try. | ||
| I can't do it when I think you're gonna be. | ||
| But I'm gonna try. | ||
| No, you're gonna leave me now. | ||
| Can't you leave me now. | ||
| I can't do it when I think you're gonna be. | ||
| But I'm gonna try. | ||
| No, you're gonna leave me now. | ||
| Can't you leave me now. | ||
| I know everything about you. | ||
| You know everything about me. | ||
| I know everything about us. | ||
| I know everything about you. | ||
| You know everything about me. | ||
| I know everything about us. | ||
| I know everything about you. | ||
| I'll see you next time. | ||
| I'll see you next time. | ||
| The stars of the planet are calling me. | ||
| The beating is the way from you. | ||
| I'm on my way. | ||
| I'm on. | ||
| I'm on. | ||
| I'm on. | ||
| I'm on. | ||
| I'm on my way. | ||
| I'm on my way. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Good evening everybody! | ||
| You're watching Nick Fuentes. | ||
| This is my Rumble channel, and we're gonna be watching the January 6th Super Debate between Alex Jones, Darren Beatty, Glenn Greenwald, and Destiny, and the Krasenstein Brothers. | ||
| As always, we're starting a little bit late, but that's okay. | ||
| We're gonna catch up, and we're gonna watch the entire debate. | ||
| I gotta be honest with you. | ||
| I've been watching it a little bit. | ||
| I've seen parts of it so far. | ||
| And it sucks! | ||
| I mean, this debate sucks. | ||
| And I don't say that lightly. | ||
| I know I have reaction like that to a lot of things. | ||
| But this debate is hard to watch. | ||
| And you'll see what I mean. | ||
| If you've been watching it already, you already know. | ||
| And if you haven't seen it yet, well, you're about to find out what I mean by that. | ||
| But check in in the live chat real quick. | ||
| If you're here and you're watching, why don't you check in? | ||
| Let me know you're here in the live chat. | ||
| Say what's up. | ||
| And we'll see who we got watching this stupid thing. | ||
| We got Harris Walker. | ||
| What? | ||
| Harris Walker in the live chat. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Nick Martin Gruyper. | ||
| And Carolina Gruyper. | ||
| And pretty fly white guy. | ||
| Young Putin. | ||
| Kebab Remover. | ||
| Psyopt Gunt. | ||
| NJF36. | ||
| Chicken Waffen. | ||
| God Emperor Geotus. | ||
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Arthur Fran. - Bye-bye. | |
| What's going on everybody? | ||
| Good evening! | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Hope you're all having a great Saturday, great weekend. | ||
| I just woke up shortly ago. | ||
| I was all ready to go. | ||
| I was ready to jump on live and then I just straight up passed out. | ||
| On the couch. | ||
| I just fell asleep. | ||
| So that's, you know, that's on me. | ||
| So that's on me. | ||
| I thought I'd be okay, because this morning I had like a dozen donuts. | ||
| I had three cups of coffee. | ||
| So I thought that would be enough, but I just, it put me to sleep. | ||
| Rather than wake me up, it put me to sleep. | ||
| But that's okay. | ||
| You know, time. | ||
| Really is an illusion. | ||
| So anyway, so what is it really? | ||
| You know, it's 7.50, six o'clock, you know, who's really keeping score? | ||
| But we'll dive into the debate. | ||
| We're going to start from the beginning. | ||
| So this is a debate about January 6th, and it's Glenn Greenwald from... What is he even on anymore? | ||
| I guess he has a show on Rumble. | ||
| I don't know who he writes for. | ||
| Alex Jones from InfoWars, Daren Peaty from Revolver, And they are debating Destiny and the Krasenstein brothers, Brian and Ed. | ||
| And I admittedly don't really know that much about the Krasenstein brothers, but I think everybody here's Jewish. | ||
| The Krasensteins are Jewish, Glenn Greenwald's Jewish, Darren Peaty's Jewish. | ||
| I just want to point that out. | ||
| Not that it really has too much to do with the debate. | ||
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It's about the 6th, so it's not too much, but... | |
| Can't help but notice a little bit. | ||
| So anyway, so we're gonna dive in Alright, we got somebody spamming faggot Jew in the chat. | ||
| Can we just relax with that? | ||
| It's gonna be okay Alright, and actually if you're talking about Glenn Greenwald, you know, we like Glenn Greenwald He does happen to be a homosexual and Jewish, but you know, I actually like him. | ||
| I think he's pretty pretty intelligent so You know so he's not so bad but all right we're gonna dive into it it's gonna be this is gonna be a slog but we're gonna start from the beginning we're gonna get through it together and it's gonna be frustrating and it's gonna kind of suck a little bit but you know we're gonna do it together it's called shared trauma And this is the basis of a strong connection. | ||
| So we're going to develop a parasocial relationship through the shared trauma. | ||
| You're going to identify with me. | ||
| You're going to relate to me. | ||
| And you're going to begin to like me. | ||
| You're going to begin to support me. | ||
| Because we'll be going through a shared hardship. | ||
| And that will strengthen our bond. | ||
| Alright, here we go! | ||
| You know, I'm really dreading it. | ||
| But I tried to sleep through it because I just didn't want to do it. | ||
| But here we are. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| January 6th debate, Alex Jones, Darren Petey, Glenn Greenwald vs. Destiny and the Krasensteins. | ||
| This is never, ever acceptable in the United States political system. | ||
| Never, never, never. | ||
| It has no place in a democracy. | ||
| None. | ||
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Give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need. | |
| Already rest with Trump. | ||
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We got our panel here. | |
| Krasenstein Brothers, Destiny, Alex Jones, Darren, and Glenn. | ||
| It's a shame they couldn't get him in person. | ||
| I guess, though, I think he lives in another country. | ||
| I thought he lived in Brazil with his husband. | ||
| I know the husband died recently. | ||
| But that's a shame. | ||
| They really should have had him in the studio. | ||
| I don't think that really works. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the second Zero Hedge debate. | ||
| It is an honor and a privilege to be asked to moderate this debate. | ||
| I'm Ian Crossland. | ||
| I'm going to be moderating tonight, and the debate tonight is going to be about January 6, 2021. | ||
| This guy's a moderator? | ||
| They... They couldn't find some... You know what? | ||
| I like this guy. | ||
| He's actually not a bad guy. | ||
| But a moderator? | ||
| They couldn't find... Why didn't they have, like, Tim Pool moderate it? | ||
| Or why didn't they have... | ||
| Anybody else? | ||
| No offense. | ||
| I mean, I like this guy. | ||
| I don't even have beef with this guy. | ||
| I think he's okay, but he's a hippie. | ||
| He's a hippie talking about fractals. | ||
| He's wearing that shirt with that hair. | ||
| So yeah, I don't know what we're doing with that. | ||
| We, you know, maybe we could have found a better moderator. | ||
| Some things happened on that day, and we're going to be talking about them from start to finish as best as possible. | ||
| We have an incredible panel of human beings that I'm going to be introducing shortly. | ||
| But before I do, I want to talk a little bit about Zero Hedge. | ||
| I like them. | ||
| Who's putting on the debate. | ||
| Zero Hedge was a company founded in 2009. | ||
| It's a libertarian, fiercely independent and counterculture news organization. | ||
| They are also – on their website, they have a premium service that I want to talk about before we get started. | ||
| You can go to zerohedge.com and sign up for the premium service bypassing the advertisements to get exclusive financial, economic, and geopolitical knowledge and data. | ||
| It's highly articulate information. | ||
| It's a really great organization. | ||
| And it also gives you access to the secret Twitter feed or the X feed, formerly known as Twitter. | ||
| What's up, Elon, in case you're listening? | ||
| With market-moving financial advice, real-time updates. | ||
| So you can go to zerohedge.com, sign up for the premium service, and get started there. | ||
| And from there, we're going to jump into it. | ||
| I want to introduce our panel of incredible people, as I said earlier. | ||
| And I'm going to start from the end and give you guys a chance to introduce yourselves. | ||
| We have Ed Krasenstein. | ||
| Yeah, how's it going? | ||
| I'm Ed Krasenstein. | ||
| You know me on X at Ed Krasen, also the twin brother of Brian. | ||
| Thanks for pointing out that it's Krasenstein, not Krasenstein. | ||
| Well, it can actually be either. | ||
| You can do Krasenstein or Krasenstein, and I really don't care what you use. | ||
| It's Frankenstein, not Stein! | ||
| Not Frankenstein. | ||
| That was Alex Jones, if you didn't know. | ||
| We also have Brian Krasenstein. | ||
| Hey Ian, it's great to be here. | ||
| I'm Brian Krasenstein, known as Krasenstein on X. I'm Ed's slightly better looking and more intelligent twin brother. | ||
| And modest as well. | ||
| Probably the most modest of the Krasensteins. | ||
| Next to Brian, we have Stephen Bonnell, known as Destiny. | ||
| What's happening, man? | ||
| Hey, what's up? | ||
| You know me on YouTube at Destiny. | ||
| My real life name is Stephen, and I scream and shout at people on the internet for a living. | ||
| Next to this dude, we got... Dude, he looks rough. | ||
| Is he on drugs? | ||
| Well, probably the most modest of the Krasensteins. | ||
| Next to Brian, we have Stephen Bonnell, known as Destiny. | ||
| What's happening, man? | ||
| Hey, what's up? | ||
| You know me on YouTube at Destiny. | ||
| My real life name is Stephen, and I scream and shout. | ||
| Imagine the smell. | ||
| He's got to change up the hair, because it kind of, in the whole look, kind of makes him look a little dirty. | ||
| A lot of people on the internet for a living. | ||
| Next to this dude, we got Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex, explain yourself. | ||
| Well, I don't think I probably needed much of an introduction. | ||
| But, I mean, I was there on January 6th, and I saw what happened. | ||
| And so... | ||
| It's a very important discussion we're about to have tonight. | ||
| I'm glad everybody came. | ||
| We need to have more of this, not just left and right, but just different groups of people debating and discussing. | ||
| I'm really glad that Zero Hedge and their great subscription service, people supporting it, is financing this. | ||
| And so you're going to see a lot more of those people supporting Zero Hedge. | ||
| And so I'm just honored to be here with you guys in Austin, Texas. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Shout out to Zero Hedge. | ||
| Great company. | ||
| Great people, too. | ||
| Really great people involved with the company. | ||
| And to your left, my right, Darren Beattie. | ||
| What's happening, man? | ||
| Great to be here. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I'm Darren Beatty. | ||
| I run a news site called revolver dot news, which is reported extensively on January 6th. | ||
| And you can also see me on X at Darren J. Beatty. | ||
| And you're a Trump advisor and speechwriter. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And a former professor. | ||
| And you help quarterback a lot of the groundbreaking stuff that Tucker Carlson put up. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| We also have coming in remote live Glenn Greenwald from your studio in Brazil. | ||
| What's happening, Glenn? | ||
| Hey everybody, Glenn Greenwald. | ||
| I'm a journalist. | ||
| I'm the host of System Update on Rumble. | ||
| I had planned to be there in person. | ||
| A little logistical problems intervened and I wish I could be, but I'm really looking forward to participating. | ||
| And I just want to echo Alex. | ||
| I think what Zero Hedge is doing is so important. | ||
| Organizing these kind of substantive structured debates among people who obviously disagree pretty strongly on things and yet nonetheless can have what I hope will be a civil and spirited debate. | ||
| What I expect is It will be, so I'm really looking forward to it, and I appreciate being asked. | ||
| Yes, that is my job, is to make sure that it maintains civility, structure, organization, and that we don't talk over each other, that we end up listening to each other. | ||
| The real value of humanity, one of the most powerful tools we have is communication, so I think tonight's going to be an exemplary example of that. | ||
| Let's go for this. | ||
| The first question I got for you guys, and this is really for the entire panel and anyone that wants to start it off, maybe we can start with you Edson, just because you're on the end. | ||
| You always know there's like a weird-ass person who says something like, you know, you're doing it, you're introducing a debate and they'll say something out-of-pocket like, communication is one of humanity's most important tools. | ||
| Like, okay. | ||
| January 6, 2021. | ||
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It's like people are about to talk. | |
| By the way, communication is one of humanity's most powerful tools. | ||
| Is this your first time having a discussion? | ||
| Was it an insurrection? | ||
| And before you answer, before you answer, I want to read this. | ||
| This is um, this is actually what the, it's called 18 U.S. | ||
| Code 2383, rebellion or insurrection. | ||
| Yeah, let me do an overhead shot. | ||
| This is right out of Cornell Law here. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| Alright, I'm gonna start reading this. | ||
| This is according to the U.S. | ||
| Code. | ||
| Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States, or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both, and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. | ||
| It technically doesn't define insurrection. | ||
| It's the code talking about what But I guess what an insurrection is, of course they use the word insurrection in the actual code itself. | ||
| But what do you think? | ||
| Do you guys think it was an insurrection? | ||
| So I personally believe it was an insurrection. | ||
| And I base that on the fact that 20 court decisions called it an insurrection. | ||
| And the fact that there was a bill passed in the Senate that called them a mob of insurrectionists. | ||
| I think the bill passed, or it was in the House of Representatives, 406 to 21. | ||
| That was a statute to award the police officers medals. | ||
| And it referred to these individuals as insurrectionists. | ||
| So, I mean, I think the term can be subjective. | ||
| I think, you know, People can say nobody was charged with violating Section 2383 of Title 18, which is the insurrection and rebellion statute. | ||
| And nobody was, right? | ||
| But I don't think that defines whether the event was an insurrection. | ||
| When I say insurrection, I don't mean everybody there was partaking in an insurrection. | ||
| There were people who were peaceful. | ||
| The people who walked into the Capitol and did nothing, I don't think that they were insurrectionists. | ||
| I think they violated the law, but I don't think they were partaking in an insurrection. | ||
| I do think the Proud Boys were partaking in an insurrection. | ||
| I think you could say Donald Trump incited the insurrection. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Destiny, what do you think, man? | ||
| I would say the plot from start to finish is quite obviously an insurrection. | ||
| The only way to get around that is to either justify an insurrection, which is what most conservatives do, they don't realize it, or to deny that an insurrection could ever happen. | ||
| Or, if you're not aware of all the facts of what happened. | ||
| I think that Donald Trump and his cronies had a very coherent plan that they tried to enact from start to finish. | ||
| starting with false claims of voter fraud leading to false slates of electors that filed themselves as state electors under perjury, which is what they did, up to the violence that happened on the day of the certification of the vote where Donald Trump and his friends continued to try to delay the peaceful transfer of power by contravening up to the violence that happened on the day of the certification of the vote where Donald And I want to make sure that we don't force this into what they want to call a debate, debate where you've got to be weighed to be called on or anything else. | ||
| So if any of you guys, Glenn, you as well, man, if any of you guys want to jump in. | ||
| Yeah, two of them just went. | ||
| I want Glenn to go, but I just want to say something here. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| And I was investigated and subpoenaed. | ||
| By the Justice Department in at least five criminal investigations, and I was forced to testify in front of the Jan 6th Committee, which they've now been destroying their records because the records show the opposite of what they said. | ||
| Trump and all of us had a stage rented by the Supreme Court. | ||
| He was supposed to have another rally there. | ||
| We showed up. | ||
| Before Trump ever finished his speech, people were getting tear-gassed and hit by bullets, and there were a bunch of provocateurs leading an attack against the police, and they broke through. | ||
| And then this million-plus people then got blamed as insurrectionists, and Biden gave a big speech yesterday saying they're all terrorists. | ||
| So, by that extension, Kamala Harris, as the VP candidate, was bailing people out of jail that burned down police stations and firebombed federal buildings. | ||
| And the idea of Biden's speech yesterday, making his whole campaign about January 6th, saying political violence is never good. | ||
| The Democrats are the ones that call for political violence. | ||
| So I was there with a bullhorn, but I could only reach 100 yards out when the tear gas was hitting me, saying, don't go in, don't fight the police. | ||
| This is a setup. | ||
| And we have hundreds of videos. | ||
| And so regardless of what the left tries to do, they're all out there. | ||
| Of people taking off their Antifa stuff and putting on the Trump garb and the police fake arresting people, attacking them and then high-fiving them. | ||
| I mean, this has all come out in the new footage and it's all... Wait, fake arresting them? | ||
| How were they fake arresting them? | ||
| They would grab them and arrest them and then drag them in and then high-five them, you know, take the handcuffs off and high-five them. | ||
| Those videos, people are going to take everything I say, they're going to put it on X and show what I said. | ||
| That's where we dominate. | ||
| And so what I'm getting at here, let me just tell you this. | ||
| What I'm getting at here is, they now admit hundreds of federal officers were there. | ||
| So when Trump started his speech, this whole thing began with Ray Epps saying, go into the Capitol. | ||
| He told the Jan 6th committee, yeah, it's true. | ||
| It's in his text messages. | ||
| He told family, I orchestrated it. | ||
| So under pressure, they finally adopted him, but only recommend six months. | ||
| A few hundred people got manipulated into fighting the police. | ||
| They were led and driven by provocateurs and other groups. | ||
| They were others, then they opened the doors and the police wave them in in hundreds of videos. | ||
| They walk between the velvet robes and then they indict over a thousand people that just walked through velvet robes. | ||
| And then now we're told in the National Security Directive of President Biden, the number one threat is the American people. | ||
| And he had a declaration of war yesterday against all Trump supporters and says to protect democracy, we're not going to let you vote for Trump. | ||
| So as Stalin said, I care not who cast the votes. | ||
| I care who counts them. | ||
| Well, Biden doesn't care who cast the votes. | ||
| He cares who's allowed on the ballot. | ||
| So we've already won. | ||
| No one's buying this. | ||
| And when this happened three years ago, the Wall Street Journal had a print of retraction, but they said I was there When boomers quote Stalin or like Hitler or Pol Pot, they feel so powerful. | ||
| They think that goes so hard. | ||
| I don't know in 2023 who thinks it goes hard to say, well as Joseph Stalin said, as Pol Pot said, as Joseph Stalin said, one death is a tragedy. | ||
| You know, this Mao took the guns thing, it's just gotta die. | ||
| Like, you know, most of the people watching my stream right now were born in the 21st century. | ||
| So the stuff about, like, you know, well, a dictator set in the 30s... Coward! | ||
| Telling people to attack! | ||
| Doesn't mean a thing. | ||
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Well, no, they wouldn't let me put... Yeah, we were born 30 years after we did start the fire. | |
| 20, 30 years after the Billy Joel song. | ||
| So this 20th century, this early, mid-20th century stuff doesn't really... Video on Twitter... | ||
| Before I was saying, don't go in. | ||
| But the truth is, it's coming out. | ||
| And so that's the bottom line here. | ||
| And this attempt by Biden to cast the American people as the enemy in all these movies about martial law and civil war and race war. | ||
| That's their only hope. | ||
| Because the corrupt, evil Democratic Party, and its evil twin, the Republicans, they've lost power and populism is rising. | ||
| Quite frankly, This was not an insurrection. | ||
| It was an insurrection that would have been guns. | ||
| And it's in the Declaration of Independence that it's our right and duty to get rid of a government that's destructive of what the people want. | ||
| But I'm not calling for violence. | ||
| We're winning this politically, but we're being cast as about to be violent in the next 10 months because all these indictments and all these attacks to not let Americans vote for who they want aren't working and are backfiring. | ||
| And all the big Democrat lawyers now admit it. | ||
| Axelrod admits it. | ||
| Carville admits it. | ||
| They all admit this attempt, like we're in Venezuela or something, to take Trump off the ballot when he's never been convicted of insurrection. | ||
| This is a military tribunal U.S. | ||
| code from the Civil War. | ||
| If a military tribunal found you were guilty of being involved in insurrection, that meant after the war ended... Can I ask you a question? | ||
| Alex, can I ask you a question? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, do you think the Confederates during the Civil War were taking an insurrection? | ||
| I mean, in retrospect, because I wasn't alive then, I think the South got manipulated into that. | ||
| I thought there was real issues from the North and South. | ||
| The abolitionists, you know, had a good point, and slavery needed to end. | ||
| But it was really about the North and South. | ||
| So just to be clear, the person that's defending the J6 rioters won't say that the Confederate states were engaged in insurrection? | ||
| No, that's not what I said. | ||
| See, here's what happened. | ||
| Hold on, that's not true. | ||
| So it sounded like you said, we didn't correct the record. | ||
| So do you think they were engaged in an insurrection? | ||
| I was trying to talk. | ||
| And the thing I said was, I think the South was wrong. | ||
| And then you just said... | ||
| You just said that I support what the South did. | ||
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No. | |
| I didn't say you supported that. | ||
| I said that you said that they weren't engaged in an insurrection. | ||
| Do you think the Confederate States were engaged in an insurrection? | ||
| The Insurrection Act was that because there were rebellions during Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War, and they were saying if you lead an uprising against the Northern occupation of the South, you're precluded from running from office because they were worried about Southerners getting office again, like Jefferson. | ||
| So no, I do not support the Civil War or slavery, and I'm not a quote, confederate. | ||
| My question is, was it an insurrection, yes or no? | ||
| Yes, if you were... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The law... | ||
| What? | ||
| I think that it was a civil war. | ||
| You could say an insurrection. | ||
| Okay, so it was an insurrection. | ||
| Did anybody get charged with insurrection or rebellion? | ||
| What I'm saying is... Violating a statute. | ||
| Did anybody get charged? | ||
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You're not listening. | |
| No, I'm asking, you just said it was an insurrection. | ||
| Did anybody get charged with violating the insurrection and rebellion statute? | ||
| Yes, people did. | ||
| No, because there was no statute there. | ||
| That's my point. | ||
| You don't need to violate that statute in order to be partaking in an insurrection because the Civil War was an insurrection and nobody got charged with violating that. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's my point, Alex. | ||
| You're changing the subject because you know I'm correct. | ||
| Democratic Party lawyers on CNN say you have to be convicted under the 14th Amendment of this before you can be. | ||
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You can't, you can't just because... You don't get convicted under the 14th Amendment. | |
| You get convicted under Section 2383 of Title 18. | ||
| Let's slow down a little. | ||
| Let's slow down a little. | ||
| A congressional resolution to give awards to Capitol Police is not a conviction of Donald Trump to remove him from the ballot. | ||
| He's been indicted for saying they stole an election. | ||
| So now they want to take him off the ballot. | ||
| This guy, like, you know, I feel like we've all kind of seen the limitations of Infowars and Alex Jones. | ||
| You can't bring this guy on a serious debate. | ||
| Like, I think that's clear. | ||
| How many minutes in are we? | ||
| You know, I think we started one... So, I mean, we're ten minutes in, and it's already a monologue, it's already totally derailed, and obviously I'm on his side on this debate. | ||
| I mean, I'm obviously on the side of Jones, Beattie, and Greenwald, but this is just terrible. | ||
| Like, And it's unfortunate because the Krasensteins are the only ones making a point. | ||
| The question is, was January 6th an insurrection? | ||
| And they ask him a simple question. | ||
| Was the Civil War an insurrection? | ||
| That's actually a good basis. | ||
| That's a good place to start. | ||
| The answer to that should be yes. | ||
| It's actually, it's not a trick question. | ||
| It's not a gotcha. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| And he says, well, no one in the Civil War was charged in the insurrection statute. | ||
| You know, okay, that's a fair contribution to what we consider an insurrection, but not... | ||
| I mean, it's just totally off the rails. | ||
| it's 10 minutes in which is pure stealing of an election i think this is not he's the yankee yankee he's not somebody in georgia he's not robert e lee this has nothing to do i know but also the quick fact check on the 14th amendment it doesn't require a conviction under section three you can literally put it on the text on the screen there's no could shall be does not say needs to be convinced i guess we need to define the difference alex alex alex one second one second We need to define the difference between the casual term insurrection and the legal definition of insurrection. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, there's another thing we need to talk about. | ||
| So, yes, there's the casual term, there's the etymology of the term insurrection, which simply suggests a rising up. | ||
| So by that definition, that could encompass a wide range of things. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| So there's a rising up. | ||
| Then there's the legal definition, but we have politically weaponized court systems, so that's not even, I think, a proper standard. | ||
| I think the proper standard is the sweep of a proper historical perspective. | ||
| Does the event of January 6th compare to the antecedent that we've been discussing, the Civil War? | ||
| So if the question is, oh, is Civil War an insurrection? | ||
| My question is, Is the scope and scale of the event of January 6th comparable to the Civil War? | ||
| Because Joe Biden has directly made this comparison, which I think is flatly ridiculous. | ||
| And that comparison has to be valid in order for these ridiculous Section 3 arguments to have any force or legitimacy. | ||
| I think any common sense- It's a lie on its face. | ||
| It's a lie- I'm gonna shut up. | ||
| It's a lie on its face. | ||
| They say it's bigger than Pearl Harbor and 9-11. | ||
| That is bull- He's just making it on- I like- It's unwatchable. | ||
| We're ten minutes in, it's like completely unwatchable. | ||
| His presence here is totally unnecessary. | ||
| He's making our side look bad. | ||
| He's obnoxious. | ||
| One's in the chat if this debate would be a thousand percent better if he wasn't here. | ||
| One's in the chat. | ||
| Two's in the chat if he makes it better. | ||
| If he makes it, somehow, if he improves the debate. | ||
| Because this is brutal, man. | ||
| I don't even know how long this thing is, like two plus hours? | ||
| Sheesh. | ||
| Okay, so here, let me finish what my point is. | ||
| Yeah, do that and then I want to go to Glenn for a second after you do that. | ||
| So my point is that, two things. | ||
| The Civil War was an insurrection. | ||
| I think it's hard to argue that. | ||
| Nobody got charged with a crime of violating the Insurrection Rebellion Statute 2383. | ||
| What about 1992, the L.A. | ||
| riots? | ||
| George Herbert Walker Bush, he invoked the Insurrection Act. | ||
| 12,000 people were arrested. | ||
| 63 people were killed. | ||
| Hundreds were injured. | ||
| Was that an insurrection? | ||
| What do you guys think? | ||
| It's a declaration of federal martial law. | ||
| But was it an insurrection? | ||
| Because nobody there was charged with violating... | ||
| Nobody there was charged with violating Section 2383, the Insurrection and Rebellion Statute. | ||
| But we still consider that an insurrection, right? | ||
| I mean, by that yardstick, Kamala Harris bailing out people that firebombed federal buildings. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| Glenn, talk to me. | ||
| You have something to say. | ||
| Yeah, I actually think what Destiny and what Ed are saying are very important. | ||
| First of all, I was going to say that I think one of the problems with how these things are debated is that a lot of people these days have very binary prisms for understanding things. | ||
| A lot of that comes from YouTube debate, where you have to declare yourself on one side or the other. | ||
| So Destiny said, oh, everybody either hates this insurrection, thinks it's an insurrection, or they deny it happens, or they think it's good. | ||
| And there's so much middle ground, namely that, for me, This was a political protest that spilled over into a riot where a small minority of the people engaged in violence. | ||
| I don't think we want to urge that to happen. | ||
| We don't want to defend that. | ||
| I consider that lamentable. | ||
| But the fact that it's laughable to call this an insurrection is actually demonstrated by the examples that they're using. | ||
| This was a three-hour riot that was extremely easily subdued. | ||
| It doesn't remotely compare to any prior insurrections, let alone to the Civil War. | ||
| The only people who were killed on January 6th were four people, all four of whom were Trump supporters, two of whom dropped out of a heart attack and one from a speed overdose, because these were not exactly a well-trained militia. | ||
| And when Jack Smith went to charge Donald Trump with multiple crimes, he had a lot of options to charge him with, and he charged him with a lot of crimes, including very dubious ones. | ||
| He did not charge him with inciting an insurrection for reasons that I think we ought to ask ourselves why. | ||
| But the fact that this is such a minor event in history is demonstrated by the fact that the media, who needed this to be a major event, immediately started lying about what happened, saying that Brian Sicknick was murdered when he had his head bashed in through a fight with a fire extinguisher, only to learn that actually he called his mother that night. | ||
| He was fine. | ||
| He died the next day of what the coroner said were natural causes. | ||
| Because the media knew that if you can't say that even one person supposedly perpetrating the insurrection killed anybody, pulled out a gun, let alone discharged the weapon, all of which is true, It's a joke to call this an insurrection. | ||
| At best, it's a riot. | ||
| And that's the reason why Trump hasn't been charged with an insurrection. | ||
| The only time he ever commented on January 6th about whether he thought there should be violence or not was when he said the following. | ||
| He said, I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. | ||
| He urged them to be peaceful in how they went there. | ||
| To the extent there was violence, I think you can make the argument that the FBI informants, that even the New York Times admits were there, were the ones that urged it. | ||
| But even if the people who were there were the ones responsible, at best this is a riot. | ||
| You could so easily make the case that the 2020 riots I feel like there's a lot that isn't being said in the debate and that's namely what he's talking about the difference between a riot and an insurrection is the the level of conspiracy or on the inverse the degree of spontaneity | ||
| And I feel like that's really all you need to say, is if there's a conspiracy to overthrow the government, or if there's a level of... if they're armed, you can say that that's more comparable to an insurrection. | ||
| You could say that if it's spontaneous, and if there's evidence that it's spontaneous, then that would suggest it was a protest that escalated to a riot. | ||
| And you can determine that by, when you look at what happened on January 6th, Reasonably figuring out what the motivation was. | ||
| And if the motivation was to overthrow the government, then probably there would be coordination, planning, and arms. | ||
| If there weren't those things, it would suggest that it was spontaneous, which would suggest that it was not a plan to overthrow the government or to rebel against the government, but it was ad hoc violence. | ||
| It was spontaneous violence. | ||
| Spontaneous, limited, And sort of off-the-cuff violence. | ||
| It's not like it was something that was premeditated. | ||
| I think that's the key distinction. | ||
| Everything else is noise. | ||
| Whether they were charged for insurrection, I suppose that's useful. | ||
| Comparing it to BLM, I think it's not really necessary. | ||
| I don't think it really follows. | ||
| Because, of course, the BLM riots are more comparable to January 6th than either of them are to the Civil War. | ||
| And, moreover, the reason why the BLM protests don't constitute an insurrection is because they didn't take place at the United States Capitol building. | ||
| That's kind of the key operative distinction, is the January 6th protest happened at the seat of the sovereign. | ||
| It happened at the seat of the government. | ||
| When BLM blew up in, uh, Minneapolis? | ||
| And in Chicago, obviously that's not the same thing. | ||
| And if you argue that BLM was an insurrection, you'd have to argue that January 6th was an insurrection. | ||
| Because similarly, BLM was spontaneous. | ||
| BLM typically did not involve arms. | ||
| I know there were improvised explosives and things like that. | ||
| But again, the goal of BLM was not to overthrow the government. | ||
| It was a riot. | ||
| It was demonstrations with limited, spontaneous, ad hoc violence. | ||
| Similar, you know, wider in scope and longer in duration and more intense in violence. | ||
| But certainly comparable to January 6th with those characteristics. | ||
| And I think that's the distinction between... And it helps to lay out the term. | ||
| Is it a riot? | ||
| Is it an insurrection? | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| I think it's the degree to which it's spontaneous and what the goal is. | ||
| And we can determine the goal, again, by analyzing, you know, If the goal was to overthrow the government, what might that look like? | ||
| And that's not what January 6th was. | ||
| So, I feel like we've heard from Alex, Darren, and Glenn, and there's a lot of these tangential arguments, which are really, I think, rhetorical arguments that conservatives have been making. | ||
| Rhetorical arguments about how the left compares it to 9-11. | ||
| Rhetorical arguments about how If January 6th was an insurrection, then BLM was an insurrection. | ||
| To me, none of that is actually helpful. | ||
| I don't think any of that actually relates. | ||
| I think that's rhetoric. | ||
| I think that, you know, that frames the broader conversation. | ||
| I think it puts it in perspective, but I don't think that gets to the heart of the issue, so... | ||
| I don't think that, you know, anything that's been said is really super helpful. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Ian's asking the questions. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Did you guys see Biden's speech? | ||
| I mean, it was an hour long that no one there was good. | ||
| They were all there. | ||
| A million, over a million people. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| And then we marched down there to have another rally. | ||
| And then I see this hell, this terrible thing happening. | ||
| It was medieval. | ||
| And then Biden's saying, they're all bad, and we can't let you vote for Trump. | ||
| I mean, come on, man. | ||
| We have a clip from Biden's speech I want to play. | ||
| And then let's get back to you, Destiny. | ||
| You had something to say. | ||
| But if you guys have this, it's clip number four, Biden's speech. | ||
| This is from yesterday's. | ||
| It's only 50 seconds, but let's load this up. | ||
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Trump's mob wasn't a peaceful protest. | |
| It was a violent assault. | ||
| They were insurrectionists, not patriots. | ||
| They weren't there to uphold the Constitution. | ||
| They were there to destroy the Constitution. | ||
| Trump won't do what an American president must do. | ||
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He refuses to denounce political violence. | |
| So hear me clearly. | ||
| I'll say what Donald Trump won't. | ||
| Political violence is never, ever acceptable in the United States political system. | ||
| Never, never, never. | ||
| It has no place in a democracy. | ||
| None. | ||
| You can't be pro-insurrectionist and pro-American. | ||
| Trump and his MAGA supporters not only embrace political violence, but they laugh about it. | ||
| The insurrection is the open border. | ||
| So the insurrection was not just the three-hour riot that happened at the White House afterwards. | ||
| I think that's the least charitable reading of everything that happened. | ||
| And that's not, if you read any of the charges that either Jack Smith or the Georgia-Rico case has alleged against Trump, are saying that, in fact, not much of the focus is on the three-hour riot at all. | ||
| Hold on, Alex. | ||
| Let Stephen finish his thought first. | ||
| So not much of those indictments are actually focusing on the three hour riot itself. | ||
| The unprecedented act that there is no answer for, that Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton have not engaged in, is using knowingly false election claims for months to try to pressure state electors to change their vote. | ||
| And then when they wouldn't do that, beg them to elect different electors. | ||
| And then when they wouldn't do that, create a plot to create fake electors. | ||
| And then when Pence wouldn't accept that, try to capitalize on that final three-hour riot at the Capitol building to also make phone calls and tell people to decertify their vote or to switch their election. | ||
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JFK and Obama had alternate electors. | |
| No, they didn't. | ||
| No, they didn't. | ||
| I can explain that if you want. | ||
| Yeah, please do. | ||
| do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, so, so in 19, what was it? | ||
| 1960. | ||
| So in 1960, JFK and Nixon, there was a dispute because there was a recount. | ||
| I think JFK ended up winning by like 150 votes. | ||
| At the time, each state decided, or the state decided to certify two sets of electors. | ||
| They didn't certify them. | ||
| Decided to choose two different slates of electors. | ||
| Depending on how it went. | ||
| But they were certified by the states. | ||
| They were in the middle of a recount. | ||
| They were in the middle of a recount. | ||
| None of them were certified yet. | ||
| What happened with Trump was that Trump tried to get the states to certify a second slate of electors based off of conspiracy theory crap that Electrum has stolen. | ||
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They did. | |
| He took it to court. | ||
| 62 cases. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| 30 cases were looked at on merit. | ||
| So are they taking him off the ballot now? | ||
| That's a separate thing. | ||
| Taking him off the ballot is a separate thing. | ||
| Is the not purest form of election theft is taking him off the ballot. | ||
| Alex, let's get back to the 1960s. | ||
| He just has no self-control. | ||
| So what happened was that they did a recount. | ||
| And Kennedy ended up winning by, I think, 150 votes. | ||
| And they chose the Kennedy electors. | ||
| They certified the Kennedy electors. | ||
| And Kennedy ended up winning that state. | ||
| That's what Trump said! | ||
| What Trump did was Trump tried to get the states to certify an alternate slate of electors. | ||
| They refused because the court said there's no, no, they're there. | ||
| And then when that didn't go through, Trump decided you get his own slate of electors above the states that were not certified and tried to use that to force Mike Pence to say that Joe Biden didn't win these electoral votes. | ||
| If we want to be precise in terms of the scope of the debate, I think it's about January 6th, and so the lead up to it might be relevant to some of the criminal indictments, but it's technically speaking outside the scope of the January 6th discussion. | ||
| If we're going to bring it into the discussion, I think there's an operative word there, knowingly. | ||
| And that's operative within the context of the charging documents, but the idea that Trump thought that he lost the election and he was knowingly lying and knowingly engaging. | ||
| No, he believes, I guarantee it, whether you believe it or not, Trump believes that the election was stolen and he was using the legal recourses available to him at the advice of his legal advisors. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| Most of his legal advisors said that this idea was crazy. | ||
| Well, no, but he had legal advisors who were telling him. | ||
| If you search hard enough, if you search hard enough, You don't find anybody to validate an opinion. | ||
| But what you've just done is what I opened with, which is saying he thought the election was stolen. | ||
| Therefore, he was justified to engage in insurrection. | ||
| But is it right to take him off the ballot? | ||
| Since you don't want to debate January 6th, is it right? | ||
| That's for the Supreme Court to decide. | ||
| That's for the Supreme Court to decide. | ||
| I'm asking a question. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| That's for the Supreme Court to decide. | ||
| According to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, it's not the debate president. | ||
| What is wrong with him? | ||
| Like, honestly, what is wrong with this person? - Yeah. - Like he has, is it, does he think this is entertaining? | ||
| Does he have no self-control? | ||
| Is he, does he have some issue? | ||
| Every time it starts to get good, every time you actually start to get into an actual conversation, he's gotta butt in and completely derail the entire thing. | ||
| What's wrong with this person? | ||
| People are saying alcohol. | ||
| I mean, yeah, he is a drinker. | ||
| I mean, is it that? | ||
| I sanctioned countries that take people off the ballot. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's not even remotely relevant here. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So you can't— You know what the United States would use— Wait, here. | ||
| We have— If we do want insurrection, you'd know it. | ||
| It would probably be for things like circumventing the vote, like asking the vice president, for instance, to unilaterally win the election. | ||
| That would be something that we might sanction another country for. | ||
| So you can't vote for somebody because they make up a bunch of stuff, and he's not found guilty anywhere, but you guys just parrot it over— You're like, two men... If you don't like the Constitution, that's your fault. | ||
| Alex, if you don't like the Constitution, that's on you. | ||
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Really, then why are you saying that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction? | |
| Alex, why did you say that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction? | ||
| Can we put the text on stream? | ||
| I would love to do that, actually. | ||
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Put the text up. | |
| It's on military tribunals, or they will have to find you guilty. | ||
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It's such a shame, because this would have been a good debate, but he's just ruining it. | |
| Let's hear from Glenn. | ||
| We'll slow down. | ||
| This is a great conversation. | ||
| Glenn's about to drop some knowledge. | ||
| I'm dominating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're just talking a lot. | ||
| Glenn's in remote from Brazil. | ||
| So, Glenn, anytime you have something to say, it's helpful for me if I see a visual cue. | ||
| Maybe your hand goes up. | ||
| I can tell you have something you're going to say now. | ||
| But let us know. | ||
| Let me just say it's such a shame because this would have been a good debate, but he's just ruining it. | ||
| And it's not funny and it's not charming. | ||
| It's just obnoxious. | ||
| And, you know, some people are actually interested in the ideas and some people are actually interested to hear this. | ||
| I mean, when I hear Darren and the others go back and forth, or Glenn even for that matter, you know, it's interesting actually to hear the arguments, but when this buffoon gets in the middle and just starts screaming, and, do you believe two men can have a baby? | ||
| What does that have to do with anything? | ||
| It doesn't enhance the debate, it subtracts from the debate. | ||
| So this is just painful. | ||
| What happens is when you gather together to debate a particular question, you're supposed to debate that particular question. | ||
| The particular question that we were presented with is we're going to debate January 6th and whether it was an insurrection. | ||
| Now, I don't blame Destiny. | ||
| And Ed, for not wanting to debate that, for wanting to debate a whole set of other issues about whether Trump acted improperly, whether he was naughty and the things he did after the election because there is no argument to make that what happened on January 6th rises to the level of insurrection and that's why an extremely aggressive prosecutor named Jack Smith | ||
| Decided not to charge Donald Trump with that crime because he knew there was no way that he could possibly bring a conviction against anybody let alone Donald Trump who told everybody to be peaceful when going to the Capitol. | ||
| about whether or not that was actually an insurrection, whether that rose to that level. | ||
| And even in a colloquial sense, what we've called an insurrection in the past is in a completely different universe. | ||
| But on the issue of whether there was a real belief on the part of Donald Trump that elections were stolen, I don't understand how anybody could doubt that, aside from the fact that you have to get into Trump's head. | ||
| In the last three elections that Democrats lost in 2000, 2004, and 2016, a very large number of Democrats believed and asserted that the election was stolen, that the election was stolen and was the byproduct of fraud, and the president was, as a result, illegitimate. | ||
| When I started writing about politics 2005, The idea that George Bush was the real loser of the election, Al Gore won, was the view of every single liberal and Democrat that I knew. | ||
| In 2004, there were objections claiming that Karl Rove had interfered in the Ohio vote with the Diebold machines and cheated to make John Kerry lose and George Bush win. | ||
| And then in 2016, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats said that Donald Trump was the illegitimate winner, that Russia had helped him, and they tried to convince the Electoral College to abandon the certified results of the state. | ||
| Obviously, you go back to 1960, and a lot of historians believe that election was stolen. | ||
| So it's not like Donald Trump was the first person to ever wonder or believe that an election was stolen from him. | ||
| It's a very significant tradition in American political history. | ||
| If you know anything about politics before 2016, And if Trump believed that the election was stolen, and while it's true, a lot of people in the Justice Department and a lot of people in the White House told him they didn't think it was. | ||
| He did have advisers and lawyers telling him that they think there was evidence of it. | ||
| Then the question is over, even on these other issues about whether or not Trump engaged in some conspiracy against the United States. | ||
| But the issue is, is January 6th an insurrection? | ||
| Well, that's right. | ||
| But Glenn, since they- Hold on, let's respond to Glenn. | ||
| These guys haven't talked to me, there's Professor B. | ||
| Hillary was in videos two days ago saying Trump's gonna steal this election. | ||
| So why are they allowed to say it? | ||
| It's free speech. | ||
| You don't get indicted for it. | ||
| Trump didn't get indicted for that. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| They indicted him and they put it in the charging thing in Georgia saying he has the election. | ||
| You're hoping people don't read the documents. | ||
| You can go read it. | ||
| It's a RICO case. | ||
| There's a bunch of behavior that is within a RICO case. | ||
| It's not even self-illegal. | ||
| That's the point of a RICO case. | ||
| Talk about the differences. | ||
| So Bush versus Gore, what happens? | ||
| The Supreme Court ruled and Gore conceded. | ||
| He stopped saying this election was stolen, he stopped saying I won. | ||
| That was the Supreme Court? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Did Gore refuse to certify the vote? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Did he do that? | ||
| The vote was certified. | ||
| Oh, he didn't have an alternative side of electors? | ||
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Exactly. | |
| So after Trump wanted a Supreme Court hearing, Trump wanted the same thing! | ||
| 62 cases were brought before judges. | ||
| And you said earlier none of them are based on evidence. | ||
| Six of them were based on standing. | ||
| Six. | ||
| Out of the sixty-two. | ||
| They wouldn't even hear it. | ||
| I saw it. | ||
| Do you know how many of them were Trump-appointed judges that made those rulings? | ||
| Seventeen. | ||
| So six of them... | ||
| Let me finish here. | ||
| Six of them were based on standing. | ||
| Four of those that were based on standing, the judge also analyzed the merits and said there was no evidence or insufficient evidence. | ||
| So only two of them, and that was Texas versus Pennsylvania and Gohmert versus Pence. | ||
| Do you know what those two cases were? | ||
| I know what the cases are. | ||
| No, I agree with you. | ||
| Biden says inflation is fine right now. | ||
| I agree with him. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| Texas tried suing Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, several other states saying that the election was stolen. | ||
| And the judge said, no, Texas can't sue these other states. | ||
| Somebody in that state who was affected had to sue them. | ||
| Now, the other case was Gohmert v. Pence. | ||
| He challenged the Electoral Counts Act of 1807, saying that Pence could overturn the election. | ||
| I think that's wrong. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I think that was a wrong legal theory. | ||
| No, no, I agree with you on that. | ||
| But what I'm saying is that if Biden's going to win so big, why can't Trump be on the ballot? | ||
| That's not up for Biden to decide. | ||
| That's up for the Supreme Court to decide. | ||
| Oh, no, Biden said he wants him off the ballot. | ||
| It doesn't matter what Biden says. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Trump lost. | ||
| That's why he can't have his race car on the track. | ||
| Yeah, this horse is going to lose so it can't be in the race. | ||
| Bull crap! | ||
| Who do you think has the authority then to determine the interpretation of Amendment 14? | ||
| Man, I know the State Department. | ||
| Why can't you answer a single question? | ||
| Why not just answer one question? | ||
| I'm just asking a simple question. | ||
| Who is the authority ultimately to decide it? | ||
| The President has not... Even on CNN, you don't let me talk. | ||
| Even on CNN, the legal analysts say that you have to be convicted. | ||
| So, Destiny, you can sit there and have blue hair and be Trend Eagle, and make all these, like, the moon is made of cheese. | ||
| I'm Destiny. | ||
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Every American knows! | |
| You don't lose your rights when you're not convicted! | ||
| He's not been convicted! | ||
| And here's the good news, it's backfiring. | ||
| We have the Declaration of Independence, and we can vote for who we want to. | ||
| No you can't! | ||
| You can't vote for people under 35! | ||
| You can't vote for non-citizens! | ||
| Can you? | ||
| Nobody stole an election, but you can't vote for who you want. | ||
| Can you vote for anybody you want to? | ||
| Are there restrictions on you to vote for it? | ||
| Nobody stole an election, but you can't vote for who you want. | ||
| I think we just... | ||
| Nobody stole an election, but you can't vote for who you want. | ||
| We just beat this into the ground. | ||
| Alex, I need you. | ||
| We just crushed this one into the ground, but I want to ask the question in a slightly different way. | ||
| Was this an attempted coup? | ||
| Do you guys think this was an attempted coup? | ||
| Of course it was. | ||
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Obviously it was. | |
| The Hunter Biden laptop, the weaponization hearings, the censorship, that. | ||
| There's no Russian connection. | ||
| That's all this is. | ||
| mRNA vaccines. | ||
| Take your extra. | ||
| I want you to take all the shots. | ||
| Global warming. | ||
| How many shots do you have? | ||
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None yet. | |
| You want to take some? | ||
| No, I'll be taking them all. | ||
| I just want you to answer one question about any of this. | ||
| I want to see you take them all and enjoy yourself. | ||
| We've been talking about the Democrats more than the Republicans on the January 6th debate. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| They now admit that the shot erases your immune system and doesn't protect you. | ||
| So you do that little one-liner out here. | ||
| I'm talking about COVID now. | ||
| I'm talking about COVID now or January 6th. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Let's stay back. | ||
| Alright, guys. | ||
| Back to topic. | ||
| Can I ask a question? | ||
| Brian has an answer. | ||
| Is it a coup? | ||
| That's the question. | ||
| I think it can be debated that it was a coup. | ||
| That whole segment was just painful. | ||
| So unnecessary. | ||
| Do you guys agree? | ||
| Do you think that it is entertaining or is it me? | ||
| Am I the one that is annoyed by this or are you annoyed by it as well? | ||
| I mean, I do think this debate is tedious. | ||
| Obviously, I don't like the other side, but to me, this is just beyond the pale. | ||
| The screaming, derailing, making it about everything other than the actual debate, it's just annoying. | ||
| And I don't know why he's doing it. | ||
| Is he doing that intentionally? | ||
| Does he think that's making it entertaining? | ||
| Or does he legitimately just lack self-control? | ||
| And if so, why? | ||
| Is it alcohol? | ||
| Is it a personality defect? | ||
| I've really been souring on him lately, and you know, and I've known Alex a long time, or I've interacted with him on a few occasions over the years, I should say. | ||
| And I've always said that I like him, I respect him and everything, but honestly, over the past three months, my opinion of him has really gone down. | ||
| Because he's just not in the world with us. | ||
| Like, it feels like he's not in the same universe as us. | ||
| Like, we're talking about the Israel-Gaza stuff. | ||
| It feels like you're not even talking to another lucid human being. | ||
| I don't even know what we're talking to. | ||
| And then you see this performance. | ||
| Not a serious guy, like, you know, and I'm sorry, I think he's a nice guy and everything, and he's been around for a long time, he's provided some good memories, but yikes, dude, get a grip. | ||
| An attempted coup, and a federal judge- The coup is flooding the border with aliens. | ||
| District Judge, U.S. | ||
| District Judge David Carter actually evaluated the Trump-Eastman scheme, and he said- Alright, we got some big news, I'm not interrupting you- No, no, no, no, no, not that yet. | ||
| Oh, but we had Glenn. | ||
| Glenn's going to speak after you. | ||
| I'm sorry, I'll shut up now. | ||
| So the federal judge, U.S. | ||
| District Judge David Carter, evaluated the Trump-Eastman scheme. | ||
| Another lawyer. | ||
| Which we can go into later. | ||
| But basically he said that it was, it was, quote, a coup in search of a legal theory. | ||
| This is a federal judge. | ||
| So a judge... We have a CIA coup over America. | ||
| Did the CIA kill Kennedy? | ||
| Judges aren't part of the CIA. | ||
| Are they? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Is that a new theory of yours? | ||
| No, it's not a new theory of mine. | ||
| The whole thing is a big rotten... So they can find partisan... They found the Secretary of State of Maine took Trump off the ballot because she had one hearing in a YouTube video. | ||
| Are we ruled by this lady? | ||
| Can we not vote for who we want? | ||
| So one of the... He's saying that like everyone's gonna say, yeah, like, you're in a formal debate. | ||
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He's screaming it out like everyone's gonna go, amen, you know? | |
| I guess defense is against it being a coup. | ||
| Oh wait, we've got Glenn. | ||
| Glenn speaking. | ||
| Go for it, man. | ||
| I actually want to ask a question that I would love to hear everybody's answer to, but before I do that, I just want to say about federal judges. | ||
| This year, in the last six months, four different federal judges, a district court judge and then an appellate court unanimously, found that the Biden administration gravely violated the First Amendment. | ||
| In fact, the greatest assault on free speech That's not true. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| maybe the history of the judiciary by systemically pressuring big tech to censor the internet and purge it of all dissent by threatening big tech companies using the CIA, the FBI, and the CDC with punishment if they didn't censor the internet. | ||
| You may not agree, but according to your standard, four different federal judges concluded that, which is infinitely worse in terms of an abridgment of freedom or an attack on the Constitution than anything that Trump is accused of doing. - That's not true, that's not true. - That's a digital insurrection by the deep state. | ||
| Digital insurrection. - Can I put a picture on one thing real quick? | ||
| I just want it to be noted. | ||
| Hold up. | ||
| Everybody hold up. | ||
| Glenn, please finish your point and then we're going to move on to the response. | ||
| The question that you asked Ian is, is this a coup? | ||
| If you look at how other coups are perpetrated, and I think a lot of this is that if you're an American and you have this very soft history, you don't know what a coup is, you think that like what CNN tells you a coup is a coup. | ||
| Usually the way coups work is the leader of the country, whoever is in charge of the military, orders the military to seize control of the levers of power. | ||
| Trump was the commander in chief on January 6th. | ||
| The military was duty bound to obey his orders. | ||
| They had a right to disobey if they were illegal, but If this were a coup, why didn't Trump order the military to seize control of power and turn over the election process to him? | ||
| Why didn't he order the armed factions that form the law enforcement part of the military and the executive branch that serve under his command to do that as well? | ||
| That's what happens in a coup. | ||
| That didn't happen here because Trump wasn't trying to perpetrate a coup. | ||
| He wanted the Department of Defense to seize voting machines and the DOJ turned him down and told him- Well, the worst- That's not a coup, though. | ||
| Glenn is the only one making good points. | ||
| The arguments Glenn has made, he said that you have a very aggressive prosecutor from the DOJ who has charged Trump with dubious things, which is important because the DOJ has a very high conviction rate. | ||
| So they'll only charge you with something if they're confident that they can get a conviction. | ||
| And a lot of the things, I think, stretch that typical standard. | ||
| Because I don't think a lot of people view some of these charges in the Capitol case as having a strong chance of getting a conviction. | ||
| So Glenn said, if you have the DOJ, which only charges with high confidence, add to that the top prosecutor, Jack Smith, is more aggressive than typically. | ||
| And he didn't charge for insurrection deliberately. | ||
| Doesn't that suggest that it wouldn't fit that legal definition? | ||
| And therefore, doesn't that add to the way that it's not an insurrection outside of the legal definition? | ||
| And then the other argument is, if it was an attempt to overthrow the government, which Destiny sort of said, Destiny said the real insurrection was that, which I've never heard this one before, January 6th was a stalling tactic so that Trump could call legislators to get them to switch their vote or something. | ||
| And Glenn said, okay, well, why didn't the military go in then? | ||
| Another valid question. | ||
| So, I mean, you know, I feel like Glenn and to a lesser extent Darren are the only ones making arguments here. | ||
| But it's unfortunate because the whole thing's getting kind of blown up all over the place. | ||
| See, why does he keep going back to that? | ||
| That has nothing to do with January 6th. | ||
| and take Biden. | ||
| Why does he keep going back to that? | ||
| That has nothing to do with January 6th. | ||
| Oh God, that was Biden. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I love how he keeps looking at Darren for approval. | ||
| If you pay attention to this during the debate, whenever Alex says something, whenever he has an outburst, he always looks to Darren for approval or validation. | ||
| And Darren's always looking away because he's mortified, because he's completely embarrassed. | ||
| So whenever Alex says something, he goes like, right Darren? | ||
| And Darren's just like, he's just like, can't even look at him because he's mortified by this. | ||
| Also, Biden doesn't have the authority to do that. | ||
| He still doesn't have the authority to do that. | ||
| The Supreme Court that Trump has his picks on, that's currently 6-3 conservative, they're the ones who are going to make the final decision on that. | ||
| I wanted to be known that every single time you try to talk about any of this stuff related to Trump, it's so many Democrat names that comes out of people's mouths. | ||
| I don't know why people can't just engage on the facts of what happened on and in the events leading up to June 6th in a direction without having to invoke every other Democratic leader's name. | ||
| Ah, no name calling. | ||
| No, his name's Ding Dong. | ||
| Ding Dong, Destin, whatever it is. | ||
| The point is, I was there! | ||
| There was a million, over a million people, and they said police were attacking, and we got there, like, shooting tear gas, and then a bunch of citizens all break through with some idiots that got mad at a brawl, and then the cops go, come on in! | ||
| Everybody, come on in! | ||
| And so there's all the, everybody sees those videos now. | ||
| You call this the new Pearl Harbor. | ||
| I take it all back. | ||
| 3,000 people. | ||
| Do you disagree? | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| Do you disagree With them claiming this was worse than Pearl Harbor? | ||
| I take it all back. | ||
| Hey, ding-dong! | ||
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I was there! | |
| I think it depends how you ask that question. | ||
| I would say no, it's not worse than Pearl Harbor or 9-11. | ||
| What are you basing on? | ||
| Are you basing... No, no, no, I get it, I get it. | ||
| Trying to take people's votes away is self-sacrificing, but you're trying to take people's votes from Trump. | ||
| Worse at what? | ||
| Unprecedented that a president of the United States would do everything within his power to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the next president. | ||
| He said, I want you to peacefully march down to the Capitol. | ||
| That is a uniquely horrible event. | ||
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So horrible. | |
| The march to the Capitol, what was bad was him watching the riot happen for three hours and doing nothing. | ||
| No, no, it took him, no, it was the riot was happening. | ||
| He spoke for an hour and a half. | ||
| It started then. | ||
| Then he got back to the White House, watched it like 30, 40 minutes, and then shot a video. | ||
| No, you're lying. | ||
| He got back to the White House. | ||
| He got Mark Meadows delivered a note on his desk that Ashley Babbitt had been shot and he sat there sipping Diet Coke for an hour and a half. | ||
| The guy that you called your leader, how many pardons did Trump do for the patriots that got unfairly charged with crimes? | ||
| Why didn't Donald Trump pardon any of those people? | ||
| Why didn't Donald Trump pardon any of those people? | ||
| There's not going to be an answer to this. | ||
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Because there's not. | |
| You're scared to answer any questions. | ||
| Trump betrayed every single patriot that went down there. | ||
| He didn't pardon any of those people. | ||
| So you're there, Alex. | ||
| You spoke for almost an hour and a half. | ||
| Just keep it one at a time. | ||
| It's easier. | ||
| When he first started speaking, so you had an hour and a half on and didn't exist. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| So you were there, Alex. | ||
| So tell me, were there weapons there? | ||
| No, nobody used weapons. | ||
| So are you telling me? | ||
| Yes, they're war weapons. | ||
| You know, you're right. | ||
| You got me. | ||
| He's gonna say the cops. | ||
| Yeah, they shot Ashley Babbitt, and they threw people off the balcony, and they beat a woman's brains out. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| They didn't beat the woman's brains out. | ||
| Oh no, nobody shot a woman? | ||
| Nobody beat a woman to death? | ||
| Nobody beat a woman on the ground. | ||
| That's a fake video that got put out. | ||
| It wasn't real. | ||
| Ashley Babbitt's fake, folks! | ||
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Wow! | |
| I like how you would think that. | ||
| Years after the event, we're now getting unreleased footage like there were a thousand people sitting right around it. | ||
| There's a video of that event from five different angles without her getting beat by a baton. | ||
| How would that take years to report? | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| Everybody on X. Kim's saying they didn't beat a woman to death. | ||
| Everybody watching, don't do it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, let's... Oh, you just screwed yourself. | ||
| Alright, I got it. | ||
| I asked you about... Got your ass! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Got his ass now, baby! | ||
| Ashley Babbitt! | ||
| Nobody died! | ||
| Old woman didn't get drugged in by the cops and beat by batons! | ||
| This is an Eagles-Cowboys game! | ||
| What is that about? | ||
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He wants to do little one-ups and just... So what Trump fans are, it's a sports game. | |
| I hope the audience only goes off how much emotion there is. | ||
| I can top ya! | ||
| I can top ya! | ||
| Calm down, buddy. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| Okay, so you said the weapons were the feds shooting Ashley Babbitt. | ||
| What about, um... How about the guy who... The three men on the corner of 14th and Independence who had AR-15s. | ||
| How about... Oh, they use those? | ||
| They didn't use them, but... Oh! | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Oh, oh, oh, oh, what about the pipe bomb? | ||
| I asked you a question... Who's that? | ||
| Alex, I asked you a question if people had weapons. | ||
| How about the... How many weapons were seized, like... Hey, I got a dick! | ||
| I got a dick, doesn't mean I'm raping people! 75... | ||
| 75 of the people arrested within the Capitol building had weapons. | ||
| Let's, uh, we have a couple of clips. | ||
| Knives and stuff. | ||
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Oh, the weapons! | |
| The names have weapons that disarm them immediately! | ||
| Guy Refit. | ||
| How about Guy Refit? | ||
| The, what is he, three percenter? | ||
| Or three percenter, right? | ||
| Does he have nuclear weapons like Biden saying we're gonna use them on Russia? | ||
| He had a handgun on the stairs of the Capitol building. | ||
| He had a handgun. | ||
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As, as he was encouraging people to... That's worse than Pearl Harbor. | |
| As he was saying, telling people to go into the Capitol. | ||
| As he was saying, he wants to drag Nancy Pelosi out of the Capitol and hopes her head hits every stair on the way out. | ||
| Did he say, did he say, go into the Capitol like Rams? | ||
| Let me finish my point before you cut me off. | ||
| He wanted to drag Nancy Pelosi out and let her head hit every stair on the way out. | ||
| Keith, he said... Yeah, and I got pooped on Pelosi. | ||
| Let me finish, Alex. | ||
| Alex, let me finish my point. | ||
| Yeah, let Ed finish his point because we're going to go to Darren really quick. | ||
| He said on his way to the Capitol building that they're gonna take the Capitol and insert their own government. | ||
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And he had a handgun on the steps of the Capitol. | |
| And you call it like Martians invading and blowing the earth up. | ||
| Like Glenn Greenwald said. | ||
| His intention wasn't an insurrection. | ||
| Are you saying his intention wasn't an insurrection? | ||
| He's saying he's gonna drag Nancy Pelosi out. | ||
| And he wasn't under Trump's command! | ||
| Trump didn't tell him. | ||
| Trump said go peacefully. | ||
| Yes, you can finish your point and then we're gonna go to Darren. | ||
| Can we use a mute button or something on Alex? | ||
| No, I'm not going to be run over. | ||
| So he was on his way to the Capitol building saying, we're going to take the Capitol and install our own government. | ||
| He had a handgun. | ||
| He had a handgun on the stairs of the Capitol saying he's going to drag Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell out. | ||
| But you don't have a problem with that. | ||
| That's not... He didn't use a gun! | ||
| What do you think, Darren? | ||
| Because he didn't use a gun because he didn't have the opportunity to shoot Nancy Pelosi or Mike Pence. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| He didn't have access to that. | ||
| I didn't say it was okay. | ||
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Thankfully, the Capitol Police... Thankfully, the Capitol Police... What about the Q shaman? | |
| What about the Q shaman they let in? | ||
| Alright, okay. | ||
| Oh my god, a guy had a gun! | ||
| Will you marshal law? | ||
| All the Americans are guilty! | ||
| You can't vote for Trump now, a guy had a gun! | ||
| I've been asked by Zero Hedge to moderate this debate, so that's what I'm gonna do. | ||
| Everyone quiet down, we're going to Darren Beatty. | ||
| Darren. | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| What's the question here? | ||
| Is this a freaking coup? | ||
| What do you think about what they've been saying as well? | ||
| No, I don't think it's a coup. | ||
| I forgot there was a moderator, honestly. | ||
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And then, uh... That was super cringe. | |
| Very cringe reminder that there was a moderator. | ||
| It's just, like, one thing worse than the next. | ||
| I mean, that whole, like, last 15 minutes was just... basically didn't count. | ||
| And then... Can we replay the moderator jumping in? | ||
| That was brutal. | ||
| That was, like, that's part of a cringe compilation. | ||
| That's, like, second-hand embarrassment. | ||
| I've been asked by Zero Hedge to moderate this debate, so that's what I'm gonna do. | ||
| Everyone quiet down. | ||
| We're going to Darren Beatty. | ||
| Darren. | ||
| Ugh, yikes. | ||
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That was bad, bro. | |
| That was rough. | ||
| The body language, not great either. | ||
| I forgot he was even there. | ||
| But yeah, isn't there a better system than to spurg out like that? | ||
| That was total spaz out. | ||
| This whole debate is embarrassing. | ||
| Honestly, if you're Zero Hedge, you gotta be figuring out how to rework this. | ||
| You can't have Alex there. | ||
| You gotta have somebody else moderate. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| It's honestly disappointing. | ||
| I thought this was going to be a good debate. | ||
| Well, I shouldn't say that. | ||
| I actually was kind of anticipating it would kind of be like this. | ||
| But I was anticipating it'd be better. | ||
| This is just painful. | ||
| It's a shame. | ||
| I love when there's like a good stream and you're really into it. | ||
| But this is one of those streams where it's just a headache to watch. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| It annoys the viewer. | ||
| It's one thing if the people in the debate are annoyed or they're into it, but this is one of these debates where it's hard to watch. | ||
| I'm getting second-hand embarrassment, and I'm annoyed, and I'm watching it. | ||
| Is this a freaking coup? | ||
| What do you think about what they've been saying? | ||
| I don't think it's a coup. | ||
| Again, I think question of an insurrection, you can go to the etymology of rising up, that could be anything. | ||
| If we keep the proper perspective in mind, it doesn't elevate to anything resembling the Civil War, 9-11, or any of the crazy comparisons. | ||
| One guy with a gun isn't as big as the Civil War? | ||
| No. | ||
| They didn't use the gun? | ||
| So, there's that. | ||
| The scope, I think, matters, and that's what we're really getting at when we talk about insurrection. | ||
| The courts are politically weaponized, so I wouldn't even rest, you know, the legitimacy and the question on the determinations of the courts, which we can see are Running away with pretty wild and ridiculous theories. | ||
| Weaponized. | ||
| Weaponized court systems. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| And then, you know, these, you know, sure, there are random nutjobs who are around D.C. | ||
| on that day and any other day. | ||
| And I don't think... | ||
| That's relevant to the ultimate question of whether it was a coup, whether it was an insurrection. | ||
| And as I said before, the stuff about Trump and the legal theory behind his, you know, multiple part plan, that could be an interesting discussion. | ||
| It's technically outside the scope of the debate. | ||
| But again, I would reiterate anyone who knows Trump, anyone who knows people who knows Trump, A hundred percent certainty. | ||
| Trump genuinely believes that the election was stolen. | ||
| He had multiple legal advisors. | ||
| Many of his advisors were trying to sabotage him from day one. | ||
| Just because he was advised by one of these snakes doesn't mean that he therefore agrees with what they say. | ||
| He agreed with the people who told him it was stolen and that he had legal recourse to address that, which he implemented. | ||
| There's nothing that rises to an insurrection or coup about that either, even though that's outside of the scope of our discussion for today. | ||
| So, uh, Cassidy Hutchinson, uh, said that Trump said to Mark Meadows, I don't want people to know we lost. | ||
| It's embarrassing. | ||
| I would, I'm glad that you mentioned her because this gets to the televised sham. | ||
| Well, she was under oath. | ||
| Who under oath for Trump said, well, she changed her story a bunch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She was under oath. | ||
| So the thing here is that Listen, so the thing here is that the January 6th committee called near 98% of their witnesses were Republicans. | ||
| These people were under oath Republicans and they testified. | ||
| The people who didn't testify within the Trump There were dozens who, 5th Amendment, 5th Amendment, 5th Amendment, they refused to say a word. | ||
| So you're going to tell me that the people that testified under oath are the liars, but the people that said things in the public but failed to say anything under oath are the ones that are telling the truth. | ||
| I wasn't just there on January 6th. | ||
| I was in that congressional hearing and took the 5th 98 times. | ||
| And not because I need to hide. | ||
| The Fifth Amendment isn't just to incriminate yourself. | ||
| It's because they wanted me in a perjury trap and they were going to have witnesses claim something wasn't true. | ||
| You think I think attacking the Capitol makes us win an election? | ||
| Yeah, witnesses against their testimony versus you can't get you in perjury. | ||
| They can't. | ||
| Oh yeah, just ask Roger Stone that question. | ||
| No, it doesn't happen that way. | ||
| How did Roger Stone, how did perjury get Roger Stone that way? | ||
| Roger Stone wasn't involved in WikiLeaks. | ||
| He worked here then. | ||
| He couldn't get a hold of him. | ||
| I knew he told the truth. | ||
| He didn't tell anybody, I'm behind the WikiLeaks. | ||
| They said Roger Stone ran WikiLeaks. | ||
| He never even talked to Julian Assange. | ||
| Just say he ran WikiLeaks. | ||
| No, they freaking tried to put it in. | ||
| I think this is getting off topic. | ||
| This is off topic. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| Roger didn't lie to Congress when he said, I don't know, I have not interviewed Assange. | ||
| Let's pull back to it, Darren. | ||
| Darren's going to finish off what you were saying about this. | ||
| And I think, Glenn, you were going to mention something after that. | ||
| And then I have a couple of clips that we're going to play. | ||
| But, Darren. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the January 6th hearings were a show trial of the sort that would make Kim Jong-il blush. | ||
| Explain it to them. | ||
| They wouldn't let Republicans that they wanted under the law on the committee. | ||
| They wanted Jim Jordan, who was actually part of the investigation. | ||
| You're not allowed to have you on your side. | ||
| We pick who the people are on our jury. | ||
| Jim Jordan was being investigated by the committee. | ||
| You can't vote for Trump either. | ||
| They wanted a person on the committee who was being investigated by the committee. | ||
| How does that make sense? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| When you're being investigated by the Democrats, you don't have a law. | ||
| I think a lot of people watching don't understand. | ||
| Hey guys, guys, Alex. | ||
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Does that matter? | |
| The people that are listening don't have the context. | ||
| So if we start rapid fire argumentation, a lot of people are going to lose interest. | ||
| We need to stay focused and listen to each other. | ||
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It's really important. | |
| It is really hard. | ||
| It is possible. | ||
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I'm going to go take a piss and I'll let you tell people fairy tales. | |
| But what we're happening is Darren is going to continue what you were saying about finishing up your thought. | ||
| We're going to Glenn Greenwald. | ||
| Yeah, well, the thought was just about this Hutchinson. | ||
| She said a lot of things. | ||
| I believe she was the one who said that Trump reached over to the steering wheel and, you know, told the Secret Service this or that, which was a bizarre thing because the Secret Service agents in question weren't the ones that were called upon to testify. | ||
| Some of them testified the same thing that Cassidy Hutchinson said. | ||
| No, the Secret Service actually said we would love to testify and they weren't allowed to. | ||
| The two Secret Service agents in question, that specific anecdote, were not allowed to testify. | ||
| So why would they take the second-hand report from Hutchinson when they could have interrogated directly the people who would have been direct witnesses to that? | ||
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Well, Secret Service agents did testify and they felt corroborations were pouring out. | |
| Not those two specific agents, but why not? | ||
| Other agents in the car with Trump testified for the J-Sex Committee. | ||
| I don't know why they would or wouldn't testify or have particular people testify, but other people in that car did. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yes, the two people. | ||
| Yeah, Glenn. | ||
| The January 6th committee, and that's what Alex was alluding to just a second ago, is one of the biggest shams in the history of Congress because what happened with the January 6th committee was we had a long history of 225 years of tradition in the United States Congress where whatever investigative commissions would be created within the Congress, the minority leader and the majority leader would each select the members of that committee to ensure there was fair representation by both parties. | ||
| Nancy Pelosi For the first time in the history of the United States, a Speaker of the House refused to allow the Republicans who were chosen for that committee by Kevin McCarthy, at the time the Republican Minority Leader, to be seated on the panel. | ||
| And as a result, the Republicans said, we're going to have nothing to do with this. | ||
| And the only quote unquote Republicans that were chosen was Liz Cheney, who ended up losing her seat by 36 points, and Adam Kinzinger, who didn't bother running again because they were so unrepresentative of the Republican Party. | ||
| It was a completely partisan commission. | ||
| And on top of that, none of the videotapes that were available was made available to the public except for very deceitfully chosen snippets by Adam Schiff and by Liz Cheney. | ||
| And it was only within the last several months that we saw all of the video footage. | ||
| And what it showed makes a joke of the idea that this was a coup. | ||
| You had people peacefully walking into the Capitol, led by many of the police officers who encouraged them to enter peacefully, which they did. | ||
| The vast majority of people who were there at January 6th aren't even charged with using violence. | ||
| And that's what makes this whole debate such a preposterous joke. | ||
| If you look at how coups are carried out in other countries. | ||
| You could make a much better case that the Black Lives Matter protest of 2020 was an insurrectionary movement. | ||
| The reason it matters, Destiny, is because if you're going to make arguments, there has to be an important task, which is do you apply the same principles you're claiming to profess and believe in? | ||
| to cases where it undermines your partisan allegiance and your ideology, not only where it helps it. | ||
| That's one of the key tasks for determining the authenticity of your argument. | ||
| And so if you don't think the 2020 protest movement was an insurrectionary movement against the United States government, there's no way to claim what January 6th was, especially since Trump could have done so much more to cause a coup that he did not do because that wasn't his aim ever. | ||
| If you want to talk about applying the same standard, would you have been OK in the year 2000 if Gore refused to certify the vote because he didn't like what was happening in Florida? - A lot of Democrats did want to be-- Can you answer that question? | ||
| Glenn, answer the question. | ||
| Yes, a lot of Democrats were angry about that. | ||
| I'm asking if you would be okay, personally, if he refused to certify the vote. | ||
| I think there were two arguments. | ||
| You won't answer the question. | ||
| In 2016, would you have been okay? | ||
| I mean, it's just like another form of cringe. | ||
| Honestly, the debate got better without Alex. | ||
| If we removed Destiny, it would be better, too. | ||
| And they could just have the Krasensteins and Glenn Greenwald and Darren. | ||
| Thing is about Glenn, I think he's correct about the subcommittee and really the gist of that is that the entire process has been politicized. | ||
| So, we're looking to objective third parties or an objective process to determine if January 6th rises to the standard of insurrection, but the entire process has been politicized. | ||
| The entire process has a conflict of interest, like the subcommittee. | ||
| The subcommittee was partisan. | ||
| So you can't exactly appeal to the subcommittee and say, well, that's evidence because they're basically on the same side as the people debating. | ||
| When he says, though, that you have to bring in BLM and do you apply the same standard, to me that's sort of whataboutism. | ||
| It is, in my opinion, beyond the scope of the debate. | ||
| And you can say, you know, whether you think BLM is an insurrection or not, but talking about, you know, whether you apply the same standard, does that show it's partisan? | ||
| Then you wind up debating what BLM was. | ||
| So I think it can be a helpful comparison, but I don't think that that should be the crux of the debate. | ||
| I think you have to appeal to what is a standard. | ||
| What is the standard for insurrection? | ||
| And we still don't really have a definition. | ||
| I think Glenn is providing good counter arguments. | ||
| He's not providing, it doesn't seem, any real arguments. | ||
| In the way of, well, propositionally, in a positive sense, why is this not an insurrection? | ||
| What is the definition of an insurrection? | ||
| Why does the Capitol not count as that? | ||
| And we're not really hearing that. | ||
| We're saying, well, if it was an insurrection, why wouldn't Jack Smith charge him? | ||
| But again, that's only appealing to the statute. | ||
| And the debate is not just about whether the statute was violated, you know, or, well, the committee that claims it's an insurrection was partisan. | ||
| Okay, but, you know, when he gets more into the footage, I think he should get into the footage. | ||
| If it's an insurrection, why did the cops let him in? | ||
| Insurrections don't happen that way. | ||
| Wouldn't the police be hostile? | ||
| Wouldn't they be defending the building? | ||
| Why would they be letting them in? | ||
| And why would the people inside be peaceful? | ||
| If it was an insurrection, why would they be peaceful? | ||
| Why would they be walking inside the... To me, that is more getting to the crux of the issue than to make... To me, the comparison to BLM is kind of getting into the weeds, because that can... People can debate all day long about what BLM was or what the differences were, but it's important to define the standard and talk about what happened on the 6th. | ||
| So... Hey, would you... Hold on, Biden... | ||
| Because if you really believe that an election is stolen, as the Democrats claim they did, then it is kind of odd to say, we're just going to concede that and allow George Bush to march into power, even though we believe that he actually stole the election. | ||
| That is kind of an odd way to go about it. | ||
| It's not all that odd. | ||
| We live in a democracy. | ||
| There are appropriate forums through which you can challenge- Did they not battle that out in the courts, though? | ||
| And they lost. | ||
| Okay, there you go. | ||
| Trump was battling it out in the court. | ||
| And he lost. | ||
| Once you lose, anything past that is vigilantism. | ||
| Vigilantism, directed at the government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to entrench your own power, is an attempted coup. | ||
| That's what he tried to do. | ||
| That's not what Trump did, though. | ||
| He told them to be peaceful. | ||
| He told them, go and be peaceful. | ||
| We're not talking about the peaceful protesters. | ||
| And if he wanted them to be peaceful, he would have called on the National Guard as soon as they started rioting, but he didn't do that. | ||
| We're talking about the legal process of the congressional and judicial process. | ||
| He went and tested. | ||
| If he had ordered the military or some other FBI or any of those agencies, the CIA, to go and use violence on domestic soil in order to ignore those court rulings the way people do when they're trying to implement coups, you would have a good argument. | ||
| He didn't do any of that. | ||
| He invoked all of his legal rights in the judiciary and in the Congress. | ||
| He lost and he walked out of the White House on January 20th. | ||
| He did not have to be dragged out. | ||
| He wasn't arrested by the military, which is what happens in coups. | ||
| So much of this is because you only started paying attention to politics in 2016. | ||
| You only live in the United States. | ||
| You have no idea about history or anything that happens in other countries. | ||
| You have no idea what a coup is. | ||
| This is a coup. | ||
| Glenn, you bring that up. | ||
| Glenn, you bring that up and you're trying to use Hawaii as an example for something that was comparable, where both slates of electors were actually duly elected by the people there in the 60s. | ||
| Hawaii and South Carolina, these other historical examples that people go to from multiple states of electors, are not at all comparable. | ||
| Both of these things happened prior to 2016. | ||
| I love that out of left field. | ||
| That's a problem with Destiny is, if I were to write on paper what just happened logically, which would be tedious and I'm not going to do, it wouldn't make any sense. | ||
| Destiny says, okay, if you think that Donald Trump was within his rights to challenge the election or to refuse the results, then would you accept if Al Gore did that in the year 2000? | ||
| And they basically said, yes. | ||
| If Al Gore challenged the results in the manner that Trump did, which is invoking his legal rights, then yes, we would support it. | ||
| And then Glenn says, you know, and Destiny says, well, okay, but Al Gore lost the suit and left office. | ||
| And they're saying, well, yeah, that's what Trump did as well. | ||
| We're talking about Trump's actions. | ||
| Trump pursued the legal recourse as Al Gore did. | ||
| Trump exploited all of his options. | ||
| And then they say, well, you know, what you're talking about happening outside the legal process would be something like getting the military involved, getting the intelligence agencies involved, which Trump didn't do. | ||
| Everything that Trump did was legal. | ||
| Everything that Trump did was constitutional. | ||
| We're not talking about the people inside the Capitol. | ||
| We're talking about what Trump and his team did, which was all, you know, taking it to the Supreme Court or calling for the election to be decertified or whatever. | ||
| And then Destiny out of right field, well, what about Hawaii? | ||
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| What about Hawaii, an alternative slate of electors? | ||
| What does that have to do with any of this? | ||
| So it's always just, what about, what about, what about? | ||
| So, you know, you think Trump had a legal pretext. | ||
| What about Al Gore? | ||
| Oh, well, what about Hawaii? | ||
| Well, what about this? | ||
| What about that? | ||
| Stick to the point. | ||
| What did Trump do that was illegal? | ||
| If Trump said they should go peacefully, then how is he responsible for the violence that happened at the Capitol? | ||
| Whether you even believe, and by the way, whether what happened at the Capitol was an insurrection or not, Trump's culpability is a completely other matter. | ||
| Because one could argue that what the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers were doing constituted an insurrection. | ||
| One could argue that to the extent that there was violence, or there was coordination or conspiracy, that, you know, maybe some people planned on an insurrection. | ||
| I don't believe that one could argue that. | ||
| That is a separate question from Trump's culpability. | ||
| If Trump told everybody to march there peacefully and had no contact with the militias, Then that cannot be considered part of his redress. | ||
| His redress... | ||
| ...was the court cases, his redress was the Supreme Court cases, his redress were the various senators that refused to vote to certify, or, you know, to the extent he was involved, various protests, calling for the various state legislatures to appoint different slates of electors, which is all legal. | ||
| You may not agree with the basis of it, but all of that is legal, and when all of those options failed, as Glenn said, he left office. | ||
| He didn't use the military, he didn't have to be dragged out, he wasn't arrested, So, in that sense, yes, Al Gore challenged it in the courts, Hillary Clinton called for a recount, and Trump, I mean, he exploited more options, but everything that he did was within the parameters of the Constitution and the law, so they are comparable. | ||
| And for him to say, oh, well, you know, what about what happened at the Capitol? | ||
| Al Gore admitted he lost. | ||
| Well, you know, Trump did eventually as well. | ||
| 2016. | ||
| There are no examples in U.S. | ||
| history, or if you want to give me one since you know so much history about 2016, give it to me. | ||
| Is there any other examples in U.S. | ||
| history where the president is telling the vice president to unilaterally not certify the vote? | ||
| Has that ever happened before? | ||
| That's a totally separate question. | ||
| No, that is what happened on January 6th. | ||
| It doesn't matter if it's the first time that it ever happened. | ||
| Even if it's the first time or the 10th time, it's still not a coup or an insurrection. | ||
| A coup or an insurrection is when you use violence and force in order to seize control of power outside of the legal process. | ||
| So a coup has to happen. | ||
| So if there's no violence, it can't be a coup. | ||
| Wasn't there violence? | ||
| I saw violence. | ||
| How much violence do you need? | ||
| How much violence do you need? | ||
| 25 billion. | ||
| To the January 6th protesters, not from them. | ||
| Again, not a single protester whipped out a gun. | ||
| That's just a stupid argument. | ||
| And you know, I'm sure there's a word for that kind of fallacy. | ||
| But to say that there's no degrees of violence in an event like that? | ||
| There was violence after Donald Trump was elected. | ||
| No one calls that an insurrection. | ||
| Nobody would. | ||
| If one person committed an act of violence, would that be an insurrection? | ||
| If a million people committed violence, would that be an insurrection? | ||
| Obviously, it's a matter of degree. | ||
| And Destiny loves to debate that way. | ||
| He goes, oh, so you need violence, but there was violence. | ||
| And Glenn has to say, well, there wasn't enough. | ||
| Well, how much? | ||
| And that's actually, you know, there's not a unit to measure violence. | ||
| I mean, what would the unit be? | ||
| Would it be firepower? | ||
| Would it be bullet size? | ||
| Would it be the size of the army? | ||
| Would it be the number of casualties? | ||
| But it's fundamentally irrelevant how you measure it. | ||
| Everybody recognizes that, of course, it's a matter of degree. | ||
| If one person rejected the election results and one person committed an act of violence, that's obviously not an insurrection. | ||
| If a hundred thousand people did in uniforms, carrying guns and killing all the cops, that would be an insurrection. | ||
| So clearly there is a line. | ||
| You may not be able to say with precision and necessarily off the cuff say how you'd measure that. | ||
| But obviously it's a matter of degree. | ||
| But he'll always do that. | ||
| And you know, these guys have never debated him so they don't really know how he operates. | ||
| He turns it into an interrogation. | ||
| He makes no positive claims. | ||
| And then if there's anything that's like this, if there's anything that's a little bit ambiguous, he'll just seize on that and it looks like he won. | ||
| But obviously, anybody would say that, yes, it does matter the amount of violence. | ||
| How do you measure that? | ||
| Well that's a complex question. | ||
| But obviously it's a matter of degree. | ||
| That's not a gotcha to say, well how much violence? | ||
| Well clearly more versus less matters. | ||
| If you put it on the extremes and there's a range, obviously there is a point after which it becomes an insurrection and before that point it isn't. | ||
| How many officers were injured? | ||
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| Is that enough violence for you? | ||
| This is actually the next question on my list. | ||
| Do you guys think that Trump was responsible for this thing? | ||
| And before you answer, I want to play a couple of clips. | ||
| We have clip one and two. | ||
| about who like staging a coup and emergent phenomenon and if a crowd becomes violent and or if someone directs the crowd to become violent uh this is actually the next question on my list do you guys think that trump was responsible for this thing and before you answer i want to play a couple of clips we have clip one and two uh these are from trump's speeches on the day i think the first clip is uh before the violence kicked off Maybe we can play that first. | ||
| I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. | ||
| We can't play into the hands of these people. | ||
| We have to have peace. | ||
| So go home. | ||
| We love you. | ||
| You're very special. | ||
| You've seen what happens. | ||
| You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. | ||
| I know how you feel. | ||
| But go home, and go home in peace. | ||
| That second clip was from after the violence had become, and so he was kind of doing damage control, I think, at that point. | ||
| I just don't understand all of the insanely arbitrary caps that we're trying to create to try to say that it wasn't a coup. | ||
| Well, there was violence, but there wasn't enough. | ||
| See, but it's not arbitrariness. | ||
| That's always that's always the approach is to say well, it's just arbitrary it obviously isn't You know like we talked about earlier it matters the intent it does matter the amount of firepower You know and and maybe destiny think that's a win because it sounds Ad-hoc or something, but obviously that is the case there have been | ||
| You know, whether it's a small number or a large number of people, whether they're very heavily armed or they're not armed at all, like these questions do count in a definition like this. | ||
| When you're trying to parse out with precision a riot versus an insurrection, it actually does sort of matter how much violence there was. | ||
| There was a subversion of the democratic process, but it didn't end up working. | ||
| Like, if the plan would have gone as Donald Trump wanted it to have gone, which is Vice President Pence unilaterally tossing out the Electoral College vote, and if Donald Trump would have retained power past when he was supposed to lose it... | ||
| What is that, if not a coup? | ||
| What would you call that? | ||
| No one ordered those people, the few hundred that actually fought police, to do that. | ||
| That's great. | ||
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| Trump's not been charged. | ||
| No one said Trump's been charged with insurrection or inciting a riot. | ||
| Jack Smith especially did. | ||
| But we can't vote for him because they say he's guilty. | ||
| What would you call it if Pence would have unilaterally thrown out the vote and Trump would have held onto power for some weeks? | ||
| Trump was calling for a 10-day Senate investigation. | ||
| That's why we were there. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| What would have happened if Pence would have thrown out the vote? | ||
| That would have been legal. | ||
| That would have been legal. | ||
| No, but he also wanted Pence to throw out the electoral votes. | ||
| Yeah, what would have happened? | ||
| What would you have called that? | ||
| Him and Eastman were pushing for that. | ||
| Yeah, what would we have called that? | ||
| Can I get a name for that? | ||
| If you don't want to call it a coup or an insurrection, what would you call that? | ||
| That would have been legal. | ||
| That would have been legal. | ||
| There was a constitutional legal argument that if Pence didn't read the votes, that Donald Trump would become the president. | ||
| There have been, you know, throughout the history of the United States, there have been deals like this. | ||
| Like in 1824, there have been corrupt bargains. | ||
| I mean, you may not, you may think that that's unfair. | ||
| If you think it's unfair that Mike Pence doesn't read the votes, or you think it's spurious constitutional interpretation, well, it would be taken to the Supreme Court and it would be decided by the Supreme Court. | ||
| The Constitution is vague about the process for a person becoming the President. | ||
| That was actually the difficulty during that period, is that the Constitution actually didn't anticipate That it would be extremely contentious because it's not very specific. | ||
| And so there is a legal argument to be made, and other people disagree with it, that if Pence doesn't read the votes, and neither candidate reaches a majority, then it's kicked to Congress. | ||
| And then Congress votes. | ||
| And then Congress would vote and, you know, maybe it would be challenged in the Supreme Court and they would give interpretation to the Constitution and it could go one way or the other. | ||
| But that is still legal. | ||
| By definition, it's legal because it's using a law, not coercion. | ||
| It's using a valid legal interpretation. | ||
| The interpretation would go through the legal interpretive process through the courts. | ||
| So to say, well, you know, his plan was to, what would you call that? | ||
| Well, you would call that another, um, another contested election. | ||
| There have been contested elections in the history of the United States. | ||
| Congress has decided them. | ||
| The process with the Electoral College has changed over time. | ||
| The Constitution's ambiguous. | ||
| That doesn't, just to say, well, you would call it nothing other than that, doesn't mean you can positively identify it as an insurrection. | ||
| Well, I'd call it taking Trump off the ballot and saying we can't vote for him. | ||
| I know you won't answer because you probably know he's guilty. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| What about you, Glenn? | ||
| Glenn, what would you call it if the president was able to entrench his power by asking his vice president to throw out the vote unilaterally, which is what he was trying to do? | ||
| Why does he keep saying unilaterally? | ||
| The vice president presides over that session. | ||
| So to say unilaterally... | ||
| That's his jurisdiction. | ||
| That's like saying the Vice President unilaterally runs the Senate. | ||
| Yeah, that's the jurisdiction. | ||
| Do you want to deny the facts? | ||
| Do you want to deny that it's a coup? | ||
| What part? | ||
| A coup. | ||
| You're lucky it wasn't a real coup. | ||
| It shows the weakness of the argument, but if that had happened, my guess is it would have ended up in the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court would have made the decision about whether Mike Pence exercised his proper authority as Vice President, and then Donald Trump, if he had run out of options, would have left the White House on January 20th without any need for military force or police force, exactly how he did, and I would have called that the exhaustion of all of the legal remedies available to the President in the event that he takes on an election. | ||
| Exactly, and therefore it would have been just the way The Bush v. Gore thing played out. | ||
| Exhausting your legal options, getting up to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court makes the determination... If both of you accept that then, then if the Supreme Court says that because of Amendment 14, Section 3, Trump can't be on the ballot, you would both accept that as well? | ||
| See, then it turns it... | ||
| So, like, you lost that argument. | ||
| You lost that argument. | ||
| What would you call it if Pence unilaterally... I mean, using that word as if it means anything, that's the constitutional process. | ||
| And they say yes. | ||
| Well, Pence would have not counted the votes, it would have went to a vote in the Congress, the Supreme Court would have interpreted if that's legal, and then Trump would have accepted the result as Bush and Gore did. | ||
| Exhausting the legal remedy, accepting the result in the end. | ||
| Instead of Destiny saying, oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, you know, well, there it is. | ||
| There's no answer for that. | ||
| It's, well, then if something else happens completely outside the scope of the debate, well, then would you be consistent? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Frankly, it doesn't matter. | ||
| It's outside the scope of the debate. | ||
| This isn't a debate about the DOJ case against Trump and, you know, whether the 14th Amendment says that he should be barred from running. | ||
| It's got nothing to do with that, frankly. | ||
| The question is whether January 6th is an insurrection. | ||
| And it seems to have gone from, well, you know, how much violence is a coup? | ||
| What would you call it if Mike Pence changed the vote? | ||
| You know, which are easily answerable questions to, well, what about something completely unrelated? | ||
| What about something that happened three years later? | ||
| I wouldn't, but I think that would be authoritative. | ||
| Why would that be authoritative? | ||
| But Donald Trump, one man, centralizing power among himself to remain in power, that's not authoritative. | ||
| He didn't do that. | ||
| That's not what happened. | ||
| That's what he tried to do. | ||
| That is what happened. | ||
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I know you only read tweets and headlines, Glenn, but believe it or not, that's actually what happened. | |
| He wanted a 10-day, that was our goal, was a 10-day Senate investigation into the Constitution. | ||
| That's not what was happening behind the scenes, though. | ||
| There's testimony from the lawyers involved. | ||
| They were wargaming everything. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| His attorney general, the assistant AG, the assistant deputy AG, all of his legal counsel, all of the state senators, all of the congressmen. | ||
| If I could talk over you, I'd be way better than you. | ||
| That's what you've been doing the whole time. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You're doing it, and then I dominate you. | ||
| You can't handle it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He didn't do that, and he left is the point. | ||
| And that's the reality. | ||
| And now they say we can't vote for him, even though we all know Biden's going to win by 10 million votes. | ||
| That's why we call it an attempted coup and not an actual successful coup. | ||
| Alex, do you think that Trump was responsible for this thing on January 6th? | ||
| 100% not. | ||
| He'd had hundreds of rallies around the country. | ||
| Five or six that we were part of in the months before this. | ||
| And we had the space. | ||
| We had, here's the Capitol, right up here by the Supreme Court on the Capitol grounds. | ||
| We had a stage. | ||
| And then we get there, and it's bedlam. | ||
| And so, no, Trump didn't think attacking the Capitol would make him look good. | ||
| That's why he came out and said that, don't do this and go home. | ||
| Why didn't he call them off immediately if he thought it didn't make him look good? | ||
| It was happening while he was giving a speech. | ||
| Wrong. | ||
| The reason why he didn't call them off is because Ken Giuliani and Eastman were making phone calls to other senators and congressmen asking them to decertify the electoral vote. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Do you acknowledge that that happened or do you not acknowledge it? | ||
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Hold on, hold on. | |
| We're talking about the crowd. | ||
| I don't care about the crowd. | ||
| I'm saying that as the riot was raging on and he was sitting there sipping his Diet Coke, if this really made him and his followers look bad, why didn't Donald Trump make a video immediately? | ||
| Yeah, I'm about to do it because I can talk over you really easy. | ||
| That's what you've been doing the whole time. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| You're doing it. | ||
| I look forward to you dodging the question again. | ||
| You're doing it. | ||
| No, you. | ||
| So, no, you. | ||
| No, you. | ||
| You. | ||
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You. | |
| No, you. | ||
| You. | ||
| Both of you. | ||
| Keep doing it. | ||
| He doesn't like you. | ||
| Break it up. | ||
| Trump That's correct. | ||
| Alex left during the speech. | ||
| getting text messages violence to the Capitol and I left to try to go stop it and when I got there he was still speaking so this thing where you guys say that's correct Trump Alex left during the speech I was right behind started at this time and Trump did nothing this time he's speaking while it happens for hours he then goes the White House tries to figure out what's going on and puts a statement out against it and he said in the middle of a speech off a teleprompter Go be peaceful. | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| Didn't Trump get back to the U.S. | ||
| at like 1.30? | ||
| He also said fight like hell. | ||
| If we don't fight like hell, we're not going to have a country. | ||
| What did Rudy Giuliani say? | ||
| He said, let's have trial by combat. | ||
| That's a legal term. | ||
| Maxine Waters said, go attack Republicans in restaurants. | ||
| Grocery stores. | ||
| It's hyperbole. | ||
| It wasn't hyperbole. | ||
| Trump never supported political violence. | ||
| Trump never told people to be goons. | ||
| The lefts would burn down half the country. | ||
| Everybody knows that. | ||
| Everybody knows it's Biden's erase the border. | ||
| Everybody knows all this. | ||
| You're sitting there claiming this was... Do you agree this was Biggs Pearl Harbor? | ||
| What are you comparing it? | ||
| As big as Pearl Harbor in what way? | ||
| People dead? | ||
| No. | ||
| Maybe a blemish on our democracy? | ||
| I'd say it was very close. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| If they bring in, which they've done, 10 million illegal aliens the last three years, and then that gives them, with the congressional seats in the census, more Democrat seats in the Congress, is that not... Undocumented aliens, undocumented immigrants are not voting. | ||
| No, they are not. | ||
| But they're not voting. | ||
| He doesn't understand, but if they're counted in the census that means that representation is apportioned based on the number of illegals. | ||
| So if California has millions of illegals and they get an extra electoral college vote or an extra seat in the Congress, It gives California and the Democrats more weight. | ||
| So does he not even realize that's how that works? | ||
| Backtrack really fast. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So let's backtrack. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, let's get on. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He literally doesn't have elections. | ||
| He's fine. | ||
| With the illegals. | ||
| Let's backtrack to January 6th. | ||
| More congressional districts. | ||
| Yeah, I do want to go back. | ||
| Can we go back to January 6th? | ||
| Okay, so you play those clips. | ||
| Oh, you always want to get off of it because it was an insurrection. | ||
| No, because I came here to debate January 6th, not immigration. | ||
| And then as soon as I bring up the real insurrection, you can't handle it. | ||
| I'm not here to debate immigration. | ||
| Yeah, talk to me, Brian. | ||
| Okay, so why don't we ask the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, the Proud Boys, the ones who were actually indicted and convicted of seditious conspiracy. | ||
| Why they did it. | ||
| And well, you know, they told us. | ||
| Yeah, they did tell us. | ||
| They did tell us. | ||
| Let Brian finish and then you can come back at me. | ||
| Joe Biggs, he said, I did it because this is where Trump wanted me. | ||
| They wanted, he wanted me to do this. | ||
| Stuart Rhodes, Oath Keepers, same thing. | ||
| I did it for Trump. | ||
| Multiple Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, they all said, I was here because of Trump. | ||
| I went into the Capitol, I took the Capitol because that's what Trump wanted. | ||
| So did Trump, was Trump responsible? | ||
| But that's totally subjective and you could give a variety of explanations for that. | ||
| I mean you could argue that that's obviously what prosecutors wanted to hear. | ||
| A lot of those guys took plea deals and what the prosecutors wanted to hear because the case, they were building a case against Trump. | ||
| That's why they subpoenaed everybody and I think that's why they got a lot of People like that. | ||
| It's because they wanted them to say, we were here because of Trump to build that case. | ||
| But also, you know, that's the person's subjective experience. | ||
| If I go out and say the Beatles told me to start a race war, that doesn't make the Beatles culpable. | ||
| And I know this is slightly different, but the subjectivity remains. | ||
| If there was a document or a communication where Donald Trump instructed them to do it, and they said, well, I believe Donald Trump told me because... | ||
| He told me to because I had this text message from him. | ||
| You know, that would be solid, but to say Joe Biggs felt like Trump wanted him there? | ||
| That's not evidence. | ||
| That's not proof. | ||
| That doesn't prove anything. | ||
| Ask them. | ||
| Ask the people that are serving 20 years in prison for seditious conspiracy. | ||
| I'd like to respond to that now. | ||
| I know Stuart Rhodes well. | ||
| I know Joe Biggs well. | ||
| He used to work here. | ||
| And they have never said Trump told them to go into the Capitol. | ||
| They have never said they did it because he asked them to. | ||
| That is not a true statement. | ||
| That is a true statement. | ||
| I have their quotes right here. | ||
| Joe Biggs shook a fence. | ||
| Shook a fence. | ||
| Stuart Rhodes said he never told anybody to go in the Capitol and never went in the Capitol, and you just said they said that Trump told them! | ||
| Multiple Proud Boys said they were in the Capitol because that's what Trump wanted. | ||
| Trump wanted this so much. | ||
| Oh, you're reading a Jack Smith federal filing? | ||
| No, I'm going, Jack Smith didn't indict the Proud Boys. | ||
| They have messages between the group. | ||
| They have the actual... No, I know all about it. | ||
| Yes, they have them. | ||
| Are you saying these are fabricated? | ||
| No, no, read me the quotes. | ||
| Yeah, read those quotes. | ||
| I mean, we were here to storm the Capitol. | ||
| We were here because of Trump. | ||
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I mean, there's literally dozens of these quotes. | |
| What's the best quote you have? | ||
| This is a red herring. | ||
| They're not saying that Donald Trump personally communicated to them to go to the Capitol. | ||
| What they're saying is the reason why they were there, which I think over 147 convicted people have thus far in their convictions, have said the reason why they were there is because Trump called them to go there. | ||
| Not personally. | ||
| You know how many of those people cited Ray Epps as the reason why they were in the Capitol? | ||
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Take a guess. | |
| In both Proud Boys and Oath Keepers cases, the Fed said there was no direct conspiracy. | ||
| No one is talking about this. | ||
| They went on to say now it's a new conspiracy where it's not written or said, they just imagined it. | ||
| I want to be clear. | ||
| What is your contention with this? | ||
| Give me the quote and then what your contention is in relation to the quote. | ||
| Like Destiny said, there are 140 convictions where the people convicted said, I was there because of Trump. | ||
| Trump called us to do this. | ||
| And when I say called us, I don't mean to call them on the phone and say... Let's assume for the sake of argument that that's true. | ||
| What is your conclusion from that? | ||
| That Trump helped incite this... Well, just because they thought they were helping Trump, that doesn't mean that Trump told them to do that. | ||
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That's true, but let's look at the actions... There's a famous federal... famous... It's like, wait, wait, Alex. | |
| It's like saying, you know, Yo! | ||
| Charles Manson presumably thought helter skelter telling him to kill that's crazy so is that his answer I swear I didn't watch that part before that's crazy Yo, great minds. | ||
| Trump is essentially Helter Skelter and he's telling these Proud Boys that you need to go and start the Capitol? | ||
| Because for those that don't know, Charles Manson thought the Beatles were telling him to start a race war through Helter Skelter and piggies and... That's crazy. | ||
| So that's what I just said! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm just a little bit quicker. | ||
| I think I'm just a little quicker to the punch. | ||
| Peons go kill this guy or do they use other language? | ||
| Well, what's the language that he used? | ||
| Someone said pre-watched! | ||
| I didn't see that! | ||
| I, honest to God, I didn't see that part. | ||
| I'm just a genius, okay? | ||
| I'm just ten steps ahead of the entire... I'm just tensed! | ||
| Have you noticed that? | ||
| I cut it off and then I just say what everybody's about to say, although better. | ||
| Criminal! | ||
| The language Trump has to be the language. | ||
| The language and the... | ||
| The ideas that Trump discussed was that the election was being stolen from you. | ||
| Okay, so that's criminal? | ||
| I never said that was criminal. | ||
| He's not being indicted for that speech. | ||
| You're asking why are the people at the White House. | ||
| All of the Trump's indictments and charges for January 6th are not focused on the people at the White House or the Capitol. | ||
| No, I understand. | ||
| So what's the point of argument there? | ||
| That Trump... | ||
| The question was just why are the people there— The election was stolen, and people assumed that they interpreted that as meaning, oh, we need to go to storm the Capitol, that that's somehow Trump's fault, and he's criminally liable for it, and it rises to an insurrection. | ||
| Well, I'm trying to be clear what the— Let me explain it. | ||
| What Trump did was Trump laid out very precisely exactly what he believed had happened. | ||
| He thought that the vote was being stolen, that our country was being taken from us. | ||
| Not believed, what he wanted others to believe. | ||
| Yeah, that Congress wasn't acting, that Mike Pence was supposed to be the guy to do it, but he hadn't heard good things about them, and they needed to go down to the Capitol building to protest. | ||
| To protest what? | ||
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To protest nobody saying that you're repeating the same thing. | |
| You're like a broken record. | ||
| You're a broken record. | ||
| No, no, I'm not a broken record. | ||
| Trump has every right You're trying to shut me down. | ||
| Listen, here's the bottom line. | ||
| Trump's not been charged with insurrection. | ||
| No one said he was. | ||
| But you're saying people can't vote for him. | ||
| No, I'm not saying that. | ||
| That's up to the Supreme Court. | ||
| No one here is talking about him being... Do you support Colorado and Maine taking him off the ballot? | ||
| That's up to the Supreme Court. | ||
| No, you punt. | ||
| Do you think it's good for the opposing party, when a guy's way ahead in the polls, to remove someone from the ballot? | ||
| It's not about him being ahead in the polls or not, it's about whether or not he engaged in insurrection, and if the self-executing part of the 14th Amendment allows states to remove him from the ballot. | ||
| So where's the conviction? | ||
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Where's Trump found guilty of insurrection? | |
| You don't need a conviction for the 14th Amendment! | ||
| Alex, read it! | ||
| Can we bring the 14th Amendment up? | ||
| You're misrepresenting that, and it doesn't matter, because we have a right to vote for who we want, right? | ||
| No, you don't! | ||
| That's such a dumb argument. | ||
| The problem is the other side, if Alex would get out of the way, if there could be some clarity, the other side has not won a single point. | ||
| If you've been paying close attention, they have not won a single point. | ||
| They try to compare it to Al Gore They try to interrogate this ambiguity on how much violence constitutes an insurrection. | ||
| They try to bring in the testimony of the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys. | ||
| None of it has landed, but it just keeps getting muddied up with this question about The current case with Trump and Alex Jones butting in all the time. | ||
| He just lost that point. | ||
| Darren was trying to get him and say, okay, what are you saying? | ||
| What's the claim? | ||
| We haven't heard it, actually. | ||
| If you think it's so bad that courts are kicking him off the ballot, what do you think about Trump doing the birtherism card for Obama for how many years? | ||
| What about this? | ||
| The first big political thing he was known for was challenging whether Obama was even born in the United States in an attempt to get him kicked off the ballot. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| I can play the clips of Obama's... And now you're going to justify that? | ||
| You're going to read my mind? | ||
| That's what I said what you were about to do. | ||
| You're scared of me talking. | ||
| I'm not scared of you talking. | ||
| There's clips of Obama and his wife saying he was born in Kenya. | ||
| I don't believe he was born in Kenya. | ||
| He was born in Hawaii to the head of the Communist Party there, actually, who's in his book. | ||
| That's what's going on here. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| If Trump wants to say the moon's made of cheese, we have a right to vote for him. | ||
| Trump can say whatever he wants. | ||
| That's not what's getting him removed from the ballots. | ||
| Glenn, Glenn. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You can vote for him. | ||
| You actually, you can vote for him if you want. | ||
| You can vote for him. | ||
| You can. | ||
| You can write him in. | ||
| But the 14th Amendment says he can't hold office if he incited an insurrection. | ||
| And who found him guilty of insurrection? | ||
| We talked about the Civil War earlier. | ||
| Nobody was found guilty of violating insurrectionary beliefs during the Civil War either. | ||
| And that was an insurrection. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to my house for a moment. | ||
| Hello, hi, I'm Ian Crossland and I'm moderating this awesome debate. | ||
| Dude, this guy's maybe the worst out of everybody. | ||
| Dude, what? | ||
| I wanna hear what he has to say. | ||
| He's been waiting patiently for about one minute. | ||
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Glenn, what's happening? | |
| Welcome to my house for a moment. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Hi, I'm Ian Crossland and I'm moderating this awesome debate. | ||
| Glenn Greenwald is about to speak. | ||
| I wanna hear what he has to say. | ||
| He's been waiting patiently for about one minute. | ||
| Glenn, what's happening? | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| That's terrible, dude. | ||
| That's just like secondhand embarrassment goes crazy on that one. | ||
| He's honestly the cringiest one in the debate. | ||
| At least Alex Jones, I mean, he's so obnoxious, but he's had some funny moments, you know, you could tell. | ||
| I think he is trying to play it up. | ||
| I think he's clearly trying to be an entertainer. | ||
| But this guy's just a spaz. | ||
| Why scream? | ||
| If he would just enforce rules during the debate, throughout the debate, he wouldn't have to scream. | ||
| Also, shouldn't he have a mute button or talk to the producers? | ||
| Like, that's so... Unprofessional. | ||
| Unnecessary. | ||
| And just, like, who would scream like that? | ||
| That's just, like, maniac. | ||
| Hippie. | ||
| That's just, like... | ||
| Who does that? | ||
| Party governors who are saying that you cannot actually remove somebody because to remove them from the ballot is to punish them for a crime, insurrection, that Trump has never been charged with and therefore has never had the opportunity to defend himself the way a criminal does. | ||
| Wait, why are you citing the dissent? | ||
| Why are you citing the dissent? | ||
| Why are you citing the dissent in a losing case like it proves your point? | ||
| That's what I thought. | ||
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Okay. | |
| He just knows people are dumb. | ||
| You know you're scared of Glenn. | ||
| Let him continue. | ||
| No one's ever been taken off the ballot without being convicted. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Glenn, continue and then Darren's going to ask. | ||
| The Secretaries of State of California and Rhode Island have also said the same thing, but it's true. | ||
| The Supreme Court will decide. | ||
| I'm very confident they'll decide Trump can remain on the ballot, and then that will resolve that issue. | ||
| The question I have, I have a few questions quickly. | ||
| One is, why didn't anybody like Jack Smith charge Trump with engaging in an insurrection? | ||
| If Trump was engaged in an insurrection or inciting an insurrection, you would hope, I would think, that he would be charged with that. | ||
| I don't think he was, so I'm happy he wasn't. | ||
| But for those of you thinking he was, why wasn't he charged with it? | ||
| And then the second one is, I just want to know, So, given that the 2020 riots did have a lot of people in there who were non-violent and were there not for insurrectionary reasons, but had a lot of people who were anarchists and insurrectionists and who engaged in a lot of violence, a lot more than was done on January 6th, do you also think that the riots of 2020 constituted an insurrection? | ||
| I'm just trying to understand to get a sense for what your definition of insurrection is. | ||
| So, Glenn, do you think that the 1992 riots- Can you repeat the question? | ||
| Two questions. | ||
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Can you just answer that? | |
| I can give answers too. | ||
| I don't think that Black Lives Matter was an insurrection. | ||
| I do think 1992 riots in LA was an insurrection. | ||
| George Herbert Walker Bush. | ||
| Senator Black, that made it not an insurrection. | ||
| What did it lack? | ||
| So it was a protest and the violence was when the police clashed with the protesters. | ||
| The violence was not against the government in order to stop the government from doing something. | ||
| There weren't antifa and anarchist groups there that explicitly say they were using violence to overthrow the government? | ||
| That didn't happen? | ||
| They were firebombing federal courthouses! | ||
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God, that's not true! | |
| The bombs on the courthouses, there's nobody, it was at night time, there's nobody in there. | ||
| They were not obstructing anything. | ||
| They were not there to obstruct an official proceeding of a government. | ||
| I just burned down a courthouse. | ||
| I want to ask Glenn. | ||
| Do you think 1992 was an insurrection? | ||
| You didn't answer Glenn's question. | ||
| I just did answer it. | ||
| Alex, I did answer it. | ||
| I specifically answered it. | ||
| Yeah, but no, no. | ||
| Alex, I did answer it. | ||
| I just specifically answered it. | ||
| Glenn, please. | ||
| You answered it. | ||
| But I mean, I think the 1992 riots, I think I recall at the time thinking the insurrectionary, the insurrection act was inappropriately invoked. | ||
| I'd have to go back and really study the 1992 riots to see the extent of the violence. | ||
| But I do think that you're asking that indicates why the 2020 riots are way closer to an insurrection than anything happened after the 2020 election. | ||
| And the reason you're afraid to say that it is an insurrection is purely for ideological and partisan ends. | ||
| No, that's not true. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| There's riots every week in America. | ||
| The Democrats were saying the Black Lives Matter riots were good and bailed them out. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Here's something, here's something. | ||
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The Democrats were saying be violent every week. | |
| Everybody get the clubs. | ||
| Get him, get him. | ||
| Take the club and get him. | ||
| Get him, get him, get him. | ||
| When we talk about an insurrection. | ||
| When we talk about an insurrection. | ||
| I got your ass. | ||
| I want to let Steven finish this up. | ||
| When we're talking about an insurrection, okay, I think, I think all three of us here would agree that if there was a congressional session or a state legislative session and people were voting on it and BLM rioters went up and they tried to firebomb the house to stop the vote, I think all of us would agree that's an insurrection. | ||
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But you guys, you guys... That's completely arbitrary though. | |
| I love how he'll say, oh, so there's a certain level of violence before it's an insurrection, but then he'll say, if you blow up a federal building, if you blow up a police headquarters, well, that's a protest. | ||
| But, well, if there's an official proceeding going on, well, then it's an insurrection. | ||
| Well, if it's violence on a government building, and I said earlier, I said, well, you know, maybe that component wasn't there, but if you're specifically talking about bombing federal buildings, if you're talking about the role of anarchists who ideologically oppose government, it's completely arbitrary to draw the line and say, well, there has to be, we're talking about interrupting an official proceeding. | ||
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Come on. | |
| That's the definition of an insurrection? | ||
| You can't... Overthrowing the government isn't, but it's interrupting an official proceeding. | ||
| So, you can blow up as many government... Well, I shouldn't... I don't know if I want to say those words in that order, but, you know, you can attack as many government buildings as you want. | ||
| Don't clip this. | ||
| But, as long as there's not an official proceeding or a vote count going on inside, well, then it's not an insurrection. | ||
| Talk about arbitrary. | ||
| That's arbitrary. | ||
| It has far more to do with whether it's spontaneous, what the intentionality is. | ||
| There is a level of violence I think you have to discern before it becomes an insurrection or a level of organization, coordination, premeditation. | ||
| But Glenn's exactly right. | ||
| I would much prefer to hear the first question asked. | ||
| If it's an insurrection, why wasn't Trump charged? | ||
| Rather than... Because, you know, and I said earlier, it's futile and useless to get into BLM Because when you start to introduce these other things, then you're debating these other things. | ||
| When you start to say, what about BLM? | ||
| You know, then they say, what about LA? | ||
| And you start to say, what about Al Gore? | ||
| And then they say, what about JFK? | ||
| And what about this one? | ||
| And what about... And then you're debating. | ||
| And then it's like, well, we, you know, that's outside the scope of the debate. | ||
| It's not a debate about the Rodney King riots. | ||
| It's not a debate about the 1960 election. | ||
| It's a debate about January 6th. | ||
| So that's why I think getting into the weeds on BLM is just a completely unnecessary detour. | ||
| You can use that to call someone a hypocrite, and that's rhetoric, but I don't think that actually supports any argument about January 6th. | ||
| I mean, you can say, well, if you consider the 6th an insurrection but not the George Floyd riots, okay, that person's a hypocrite. | ||
| It's not a warrant. | ||
| It's not a claim that has anything to do with whether January 6th is an insurrection or not. | ||
| So I'm more interested because they said they had an answer. | ||
| Why wasn't he charged then? | ||
| You guys! | ||
| You guys! | ||
| Hello! | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| I almost finished my sentence. | ||
| Does that scare you? | ||
| Are you okay? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We understand. | ||
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Yes. | |
| The space lasers were destroying houses in Hawaii. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You keep bringing back the amount of violence. | ||
| The amount of violence isn't relevant. | ||
| All of us here agree that obviously over the entire Over the course of the BLM riots, there was lots of violence. | ||
| I think everybody on this side of the table is okay with charging and convicting people. | ||
| Everybody here is okay with charging and convicting anybody that was guilty of a violent act. | ||
| However, violence, no matter how much, does not make an insurrection. | ||
| It's the obstruction or rebellion against the United States for the Jack Smith obstruction charge, obstructing an official process like certifying the vote. | ||
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| That's a separate charge. | ||
| Obstructing a proceeding and an insurrection are two different things. | ||
| Because of course, when all the people were cleared out of the Capitol, they resumed the proceeding. | ||
| If I go into a town hall meeting and I interrupt a proceeding, is that a rebellion against the government? | ||
| Obviously not. | ||
| So yes, the level of violence is important. | ||
| And obstruction or interruption are not the same as rebellion, obviously. | ||
| Let me ask this. | ||
| So, first of all, it wasn't just violence. | ||
| aspects of the blm uprisings that involved in one point trump was forced to go into a secure bunker in the white house they broke through the treasury um he called in the national guard then but i have a question i have a question about the 14th amendment for destiny or anyone so let's assume that it doesn't require a conviction in your view who is most appropriate to make that determination if it's | ||
| The answer, the real answer is it's hard to tell. | ||
| Personally, I don't like the way the 14th Amendment Section 3 is written. | ||
| I've got a lot of friends who'll hate me for saying that. | ||
| And I think that the Supreme Court probably will rule against it. | ||
| Because the problem with the 14th Amendment is the self-executing part of it means basically anybody involved in that balloting process of putting them on the ballot could make that determination. | ||
| So you basically agree it has to go up to the Supreme Court and be decided before he can be justly removed from office? | ||
| Let me say this. | ||
| The Declaration of Independence, and you were talking about insurrection, I want to fix this peacefully. | ||
| But I have a right, not from the Declaration of Independence, it already points out what's there, to abolish a government when the majority of us agree we're done with it. | ||
| So, and you got all these movies about civil war the Democrats are putting out and Obama's putting out. | ||
| You guys better hope that doesn't happen. | ||
| We're trying to fix this peacefully. | ||
| But this is a load of crap. | ||
| To claim that Republicans and conservatives are this super viral evil white supremacist terror group. | ||
| They're planning crap. | ||
| No one's buying that. | ||
| And conservatives and populists and America firsters see how we're being set up. | ||
| They say set up, but Donald Trump is the one setting you up. | ||
| Well, this is my question. | ||
| Trump said be peaceful and go to the Capitol. | ||
| We're going to have a 10-day Senate investigation. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| Did Trump have his people? | ||
| There's a million hours of footage. | ||
| Trump had seven different states create seven false sets of electors that perjured themselves. | ||
| I know this. | ||
| And they shipped all of those to Congress. | ||
| When I try to have people that I know put clips of me saying don't go in the Capitol, they would take them down. | ||
| Or we show clips of people pulling off their Antifa gear, putting on Trump gear. | ||
| Where's the video footage of all the Antifa gear? | ||
| Oh my God! | ||
| How many Antifa were arrested in charge? | ||
| How many Antifa were there? | ||
| Why didn't Donald Trump? | ||
| tripping down antivigure. | ||
| Gotcha again. | ||
| How many Antifa? | ||
| Antifa in there. | ||
| Why didn't Donald Trump? | ||
| That's where the glasses go. | ||
| Why didn't Trump? | ||
| I get the cigar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You guys are talking pretty candidly about weed. | ||
| You know we're not playing clubs tonight. | ||
| Why didn't Trump call in the National Guard as soon as the ride started if Antifa was there? | ||
| He asked for $10,000 National Guard a month before. | ||
| Why didn't he call him in that night? | ||
| Why didn't he call him in? | ||
| Look, there's Antifa. | ||
| Call in the National Guard. | ||
| He would have ended it in 20 minutes. | ||
| So that's another myth. | ||
| That he had the National Guard on standby. | ||
| Kash Patel said that. | ||
| No, he asked for it. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| Cash Patel said that, Trump asked for it. | ||
| That's the source of that. | ||
| Cash Patel and Donald Trump, after the fact, claimed that they had the National Guard on standby. | ||
| Neither of them testified to that under oath. | ||
| Do you know who did? | ||
| The Secretary of State, Chris... Department of Defense. | ||
| Yeah, Secretary of Defense. | ||
| Christopher Miller testified under oath. | ||
| No, Trump didn't have it on standby. | ||
| He asked for it and was refused by Milley. | ||
| I could pull, watch the post-op. | ||
| He was refused? | ||
| No, Milley specifically said that's not true. | ||
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| Oh, Milley? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Was that in between his phone calls with Xi Jinping? | ||
| And the Secretary of Defense, a man who he would have to call to call in the National Guard. | ||
| The Secretary of Defense specifically said under oath that Trump never did that. | ||
| Under oath? | ||
| Under oath. | ||
| Did Trump or Kass... Under oath they can't tell people two men can have a baby. | ||
| Can two men have a baby? | ||
| So what, why do you think... Can two men have a baby? | ||
| I thought this was January 6th. | ||
| No, no, stop, stop. | ||
| Another day, another day. | ||
| Alex, stop, stop. | ||
| Alex, let me ask you a question. | ||
| You're criticizing me for quoting somebody under oath. | ||
| What is your source? | ||
| If I have, I'm quoting somebody that said something under the penalty of perjury. | ||
| Your source is... | ||
| You just know it? | ||
| That Donald Trump said it to the public? | ||
| Oh no, we're live on air here just like when this guy said that, oh, you know, you're claiming this was done. | ||
| You don't have proof. | ||
| Those clips are all there. | ||
| Everyone's going to pull those up. | ||
| They're going to see them. | ||
| So there's clips of Donald Trump calling in the National Guard? | ||
| No, no, I'm talking about the last point. | ||
| You didn't answer my question. | ||
| No, no, I remember the articles. | ||
| Can you just answer my question? | ||
| You're not listening. | ||
| You didn't answer me. | ||
| You want my answer? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| When Trump got firebombed and the White House got attacked, he called for the National Guard. | ||
| And Milley said, I'll resign if he doesn't. | ||
| He then asked the head jurisdiction, which was actually General Flynn's brother, for 10,000 troops. | ||
| And it was in the news. | ||
| I don't have a computer in front of me. | ||
| January 6th. | ||
| January 6th. | ||
| No, no, he asked two weeks before that they wanted... It wasn't in the news. | ||
| Okay, well, boom, gotcha. | ||
| Everybody get it. | ||
| Show it. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I'm on air right now. | ||
| He requested... I don't have a computer. | ||
| Hold on, hold on, hold on. | ||
| Tell me what you're telling me. | ||
| You're just hoping, listen, they're gonna get you. | ||
| Tell me what you're telling me, that he requested 10,000 troops. | ||
| Watch X tomorrow. | ||
| Is that what you're telling me? | ||
| Listen to me carefully. | ||
| Watch X tomorrow. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it's going to be General Flynn making this claim? | ||
| It'll have 5 million views, and it'll be you, and it'll be all the news articles where Milley says he'll resign if Trump is put on National Guard, and then they did it again, and then General Flynn's brother- That wasn't for January 5th, that was the Washington, D.C. | ||
| protest. | ||
| I know, I know, I know. | ||
| That's where it begins. | ||
| And he asked again, and they also- yeah, it's all there. | ||
| Okay, but you're making the claim that Trump had- No, you say, show it! | ||
| I'm here, I'm here- Why would Trump care if Milley would resign after all the deep state? | ||
| If they're all part of the swamp, why wouldn't he just do it anyway, if that's what's right? | ||
| Trump is the ultimate disorder. | ||
| You're not going to answer that question either. | ||
| What's going to happen is they're all going to get it. | ||
| And that's the whole, they're all gonna show it, and then we'll see. | ||
| Yeah, this is making me think about media manipulation in general, and how sometimes you see things, sometimes you don't, sometimes things are real, sometimes they're not, and it leads me to my next question, general for everybody. | ||
| And by the way, all six of you are doing phenomenally, especially you, Glenn, killing it from Brazil, my man. | ||
| Do you guys think this election was stolen? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| This is the moderation. | ||
| It's like two hours in. | ||
| So these have been the moderation questions so far. | ||
| Was it an insurrection? | ||
| Was it a coup? | ||
| Was the election stolen? | ||
| In two hours. | ||
| Those are the three questions. | ||
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I don't know, man. | |
| The graph where Trump's above and it perfectly shoots up and then wins. | ||
| I guess define stolen. | ||
| Define that for me before we answer the question. | ||
| Well, I mean, as Professor Epstein and others have said, they do it way before suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop, giving you 96% Google Democrat links. | ||
| I mean, it's all the stealing's done before in the algorithm and the censorship of the control. | ||
| I remember five years ago when I was being deplatformed, they were denying I was being deplatformed and saying there was no censorship. | ||
| Now we know from the weaponization hearings that all this is going on and now they're telling us you can't vote for him because he said we won't let you vote for him. | ||
| Why is it, if the election was being stolen, why did every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate come back and say there was no evidence? | ||
| It wasn't every single one of his lawyers. | ||
| It was not a whole bunch of his lawyers. | ||
| Most of his legal counsel said that the few that he ended up going with were crazy. | ||
| You just went in two seconds from everyone to most. | ||
| I said everyone that he trusted. | ||
| Every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate, meaning the Vice President, the Department of Justice, the Cyber Security Division of the Department of Homeland Security, all of his White House counsel, every- yeah, I know how it works. | ||
| I know, you're farming TikTok clips, okay? | ||
| That's what we're doing right now. | ||
| But the reality is, is almost every single person that he asked to investigate, that he trusted, he didn't ask Sidney Powell to go and investigate. | ||
| She brought cockamamie schemes to him and he said, oh, maybe these are okay. | ||
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Which, by the way, he also said, he also said she was crazy. | |
| the full quote kind of like you're missing the rest of the 14th amendment there get everything i'm saying i know that hurts i know the context hurts people like you only you live and you breathe 10 second quits anything longer than that destroys everything you're trying to claim no no no they got you again you just said all his lawyers told him he lost and we're going to show you the majority saying he won gotcha alex tell us he is right about that and that is destiny does do those weasel words and It's always, oh, well, everyone said this! | ||
| And then you're like, no, actually not everyone. | ||
| And then he goes, well, almost all! | ||
| And it's right. | ||
| I mean, Alex is 100% right. | ||
| That is a confidence game. | ||
| That was actually a W interruption. | ||
| That one was correct. | ||
| A lot of the other stuff, I was like, yeah, not so much. | ||
| But that one, he was good to interrupt. | ||
| He was correct to interrupt. | ||
| And he's right about that, because that is what Destiny does. | ||
| And he's not even right. | ||
| I mean, he's wrong. | ||
| But he'll just say it confidently, and that is correct. | ||
| That's exactly what that is. | ||
| Alex, tell specifically which lawyers said he actually won. | ||
| Besides Eastman, Powell, and Julianne. | ||
| And who is on his team here planning widespread election fraud? | ||
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Look, we're live on air. | |
| I know we're live on air. | ||
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All these people are convicted and pleaded guilty except for Julian. | |
| Let's ask, I want to ask Glenn. | ||
| What do you think, man? | ||
| Glenn, do you think that this thing was stolen? | ||
| I think the election was rigged. | ||
| I'm not somebody who thinks the election, that there's evidence conclusive that the election was stolen. | ||
| I do think we should be a lot more attentive to when election processes get changed out of the blue. | ||
| Like, oh, because there's COVID, we're going to have a ton of new conventions for how we do mail-in ballots. | ||
| I think there's a lot of potential for fraud there. | ||
| I don't think there's evidence that I've seen, at least, that's conclusive that the 2020 election was stolen. | ||
| I do think, though, it was rigged in all sorts of ways from From internet censorship to all kinds of interference on the part of the U.S. | ||
| security state lying and saying that a very incriminating story about Joe Biden was the byproduct of Russian disinformation when it absolutely was not. | ||
| Facebook and Twitter censoring that story right before the election. | ||
| These are all examples of corrupting rigging by institutions of authority on the question of whether it was stolen. | ||
| No, I'm not somebody who thinks there's evidence that it was stolen. | ||
| Well, how would you define the difference between rigging it and stealing it? | ||
| Rigging it is when institutions of authority cheat or act corruptly in order to manipulate public opinion to prevent stories from getting to them, like those news stories about Joe Biden and the way that he exploited his family connections in Ukraine and China to profit for his family, and lying about it and saying that it's Russian disinformation, censoring the internet to and lying about it and saying that it's Russian disinformation, censoring the internet to prevent stories from getting to the public, having the security state, the CIA, and the FBI that's supposed to have no role in our politics, being the ones to | ||
| That's all examples of rigging and manipulating our democracy in the way that we accuse Russia of doing. | ||
| The U.S. security state, the corporate media, Twitter, and Facebook did that way, way worse. | ||
| Stealing the election is dumping ballots that were legitimately cast or fabricating ballots in favor of one candidate or the other that actually weren't cast, manipulating the machines in order to have the loser be the winner. | ||
| That's what I would distinguish between rigging and stealing. | ||
| Do you think that Donald Trump asking Jeffrey Clark to go and threaten the DOJ, that if they don't sign on to a false letter trying to bully states into claiming there was mass election fraud by claiming the DOJ had actually done it, that was testified to under oath. | ||
| Do you think that would be considered an act of corruption? | ||
| The whole point is, if Trump legitimately believed that the election was stolen, as Democrats believed in 2000, 2004, 2016... This is right. | ||
| No, that's not right. | ||
| It's not answering the question. | ||
| I'm answering the question. | ||
| I just can't do it in seven seconds. | ||
| If Trump believed genuinely that the election was stolen, then all of those steps that he undertook to try and present to Congress the way to alleviate the stolen election, to have courts reverse the stolen election, to have Mike Pence exercise what he thought was his constitutional authority, Might have been Ron's fault, but they weren't illegal, and they most definitely weren't a coup. | ||
| If he thought that the election was stolen, he was allowed to tell the DOJ that they needed to sign on to a false letter claiming they'd found election fraud? | ||
| Otherwise, he would replace Rosen with Clark? | ||
| That was something he was allowed to do? | ||
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That's totally loaded. | |
| False letter. | ||
| All this stuff's crap. | ||
| The DOJ hadn't found anything, so the DOJ attesting that they had found something wouldn't be false. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I know. | ||
| In this world, we need evidence, Alex. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Oh, evidence. | ||
| One-liners. | ||
| Evidence for evidence, yeah. | ||
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Did two men have a baby? | |
| Isn't there a sitcom called Two Minute Baby? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all point open. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| No, but I mean, we were sitting here like, guys, they said it was worse than Pearl Harbor in 9-11. | ||
| Like Glenn says, this is ridiculous. | ||
| Alex, you're fighting demons up here. | ||
| None of us are saying that. | ||
| Alex, you pointed out, oh, that the votes, they went up way at night. | ||
| They went up way high. | ||
| Trump was winning, and then all of a sudden, Biden pulled ahead at like Oh, well, the media said it beforehand. | ||
| Do you understand that the media basically told the American public that this is what happens basically every election? | ||
| Yeah, they pre-programmed it. | ||
| Oh, well, the media said it beforehand. | ||
| Yeah, and we said it beforehand as well. | ||
| Because, of course, the ballots that they're inputting in at the end of the day, those are the ones that have been received in the drop boxes. | ||
| Those were the absentee or in-person absentee, which is where the fraud occurred or where the accusations of fraud occurred. | ||
| You know, that's really neither here nor there for them to say, well, you know, the media anticipated that, so did we. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| Do you understand what actually, why that happened? | ||
| No, I'm not smart enough to understand. | ||
| The trucks, when they shut down the polling places, and the trucks pulled in, and they blocked the windows out, and ran the same ballots over and over again. | ||
| Let me explain it to you. | ||
| Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, For months before the election, he kept saying, mail-in ballots are rigged. | ||
| Don't vote by mail. | ||
| So, do you think that Republicans are going to vote by mail if Trump says not to? | ||
| So, Republicans didn't... But that's chicken and the egg. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| No, let me finish, and then you can. | ||
| Republicans didn't vote by mail because Trump said, I don't... it's not safe. | ||
| Democrats voted by mail. | ||
| Mail-in votes were counted at the tail end of the vote count as they always... Yeah, we know you're... Okay. | ||
| But you're just explaining what the media said. | ||
| There's no proof of that. | ||
| To say, well, you know... Well, that happened because that's their explanation. | ||
| That was the explanation they used to anticipate it. | ||
| That's the explanation they used after it. | ||
| Our claim is that that was the source of the fraud. | ||
| Because the early voting or the absentee voting is prone to fraud. | ||
| Because people are dropping off ballots from people that, you know, they're dropping off other people's ballots. | ||
| And in many states are dropping them off in unsupervised drop boxes that are open 24 hours a day for a month before the election. | ||
| And This was the first election where they were soliciting absentee ballots from everybody in many states, where people, everybody on the voter rolls was being sent a ballot. | ||
| You're supposed to have to go, in some states, go to the polling location on election day, show an ID, get your ballot, fill it out in front of them, and submit it. | ||
| In years past, you have to submit a form to get an absentee ballot. | ||
| You have to go online and order it. | ||
| In this election, they solicited them, meaning they sent ballots. | ||
| Ballots are like gold. | ||
| One ballot is a vote. | ||
| So they were sending votes out to everyone on the voter rolls, and they said, well, send them back. | ||
| Send them back 30 days before the election or drop them off somewhere. | ||
| And so the claim is that obviously, in these big cities where you have multi-family homes or you have apartment buildings or nursing homes basically where there's a high population density and you have a liberal machine politics the claim is that people were harvesting ballots where these were being sent out in the mail people were collecting them going door-to-door and collecting them and and that means that all the laws conceivably could be broken | ||
| For example, if you go to an apartment complex and you go door-to-door and say, hey, here's $5. | ||
| Give me your vote and I'll fill it in for Biden. | ||
| I mean, that could conceivably be happening. | ||
| And then someone could take all of those and put them in a truck and drop them off in a drop box. | ||
| And those all count. | ||
| That's the problem with mail-in ballots. | ||
| And if that could happen, you have to assume that's happening. | ||
| Yes, it's a federal crime. | ||
| Yes, there have been actually a handful of cases where things like this were happening. | ||
| They found, like, ballots in dumpsters and things like that. | ||
| But if it can happen, you have to assume that there is a percentage of that happening. | ||
| So for them to say, well, the reason it happened is because, well, Democrats vote by mail and they put those in at the end. | ||
| Yeah, we know that's the spurious explanation they gave. | ||
| We're saying that was the source of the fraud. | ||
| The percentage of voting by mail doubled 35% to 70% from 2016 to 2020. | ||
| 35 to 70% from 16 to 2020. | ||
| And again, this was the first election where they were soliciting. | ||
| It was the first election where it took them weeks to count the ballots in multiple states. | ||
| All of that is highly irregular and anomalous, and that makes it suspicious. | ||
| You know, and I've said this throughout the years, ever since the 2020 election, if Trump lost in 2016, it would be a lot more difficult to make the case that it was stolen. | ||
| But this was an irregular election. | ||
| Everything about it was irregular and anomalous, which, you know, if you're saying that something unprecedented happened, if it was a normal election, you're probably wrong. | ||
| But if it's an election where they completely changed everything, every other election in American history, the vast majority of ballots, were submitted in a polling location on election day. | ||
| That's every election until 2020. | ||
| In 2020, it flipped. | ||
| It went inverse. | ||
| It went from 30-70 mail and in person to 70-30 mail and in person. | ||
| And they were solicited! | ||
| And they expanded the rules with indefinitely confined and changed regulations and they changed it in various states. | ||
| And then there were all these irregularities with the counting, where the counting took three weeks. | ||
| So, you know, it's not completely unreasonable. | ||
| They say it like it's the craziest thing in the world. | ||
| It's not unreasonable to say that this election, when everything was different, possibly there was fraud. | ||
| Consider also that Trump lost by 100-150,000 votes in three states, where there were irregularities. | ||
| Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona. | ||
| So it's not like Biden blew him out of the water. | ||
| It's a relatively small number of votes. | ||
| It's less than a percentage in three states that he would have needed to tie it up or to win. | ||
| So, you know, they're just repeating, you know, well maybe you don't understand it. | ||
| They're just repeating what we know the media has been saying. | ||
| You think we haven't heard their explanation for it? | ||
| It's called an alibi. | ||
| You know, that'd be like if you interrogated everybody in a criminal investigation and they all had an alibi and you said, well, I mean, they all said they had an alibi. | ||
| You have to check it out. | ||
| That's the whole point. | ||
| That's what the debate is for. | ||
| before you have to investigate it. | ||
| We know what they said. | ||
| So what happens? | ||
| So Trump pulls ahead early in the night, just like everybody said was going to happen if you were paying attention. | ||
| They start counting the mail on votes. | ||
| Biden's moving up. | ||
| They start counting more mail-in votes in these states that are in the big cities, which are primarily Democrats. | ||
| What happens? | ||
| Biden pulls way ahead in the big cities, just like everybody that was paying attention. | ||
| Can I talk now? | ||
| Can I talk? | ||
| No. | ||
| Can I talk? | ||
| That's why they had to all over the... block the windows out, kick everybody out, claim water mains broke. | ||
| Let me talk. | ||
| Let me talk. | ||
| And then magically, on the surveillance cameras, just keep loading machines over and over again, You're right. | ||
| Let's stop. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Trump actually lost. | ||
| So why are you so scared to let him run again? | ||
| I'm not scared to let him run. | ||
| So you support him being on the ballot? | ||
| I support whatever the Supreme Court says because I think they should define what insurrection is. | ||
| I think that's fair. | ||
| I'm not saying I'm on either side. | ||
| But let's go back to the pulling out votes or tabulating votes multiple times. | ||
| Did you actually watch more than the 14 second clip that Giuliani put out there where they Purportedly pulled out ballots from under the table. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Why in Michigan and Georgia did they block the windows? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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Why? | |
| I don't know why. | ||
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Ask them. | |
| Ask them. | ||
| Why did they say a water main broke? | ||
| They later admitted it didn't. | ||
| These all went to court. | ||
| These all... All these were... Why are they in court? | ||
| Let me stop you. | ||
| Let me stop you. | ||
| You guys, hold on. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Can I say one thing? | ||
| I'll give you the floor. | ||
| Let me say one thing. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Go ahead. | ||
| I was found guilty by two judges in Texas and Connecticut, and then they had a jury trial on how much damage is. | ||
| Trump, they changed the law, has a judge who said at the beginning of the real estate hearing, he's guilty. | ||
| And then Leticia James said in a video, we've already found him guilty. | ||
| She was so dumb she said it. | ||
| We already found him guilty. | ||
| He's guilty. | ||
| And then Trump doesn't get a jury trial in New York. | ||
| So you're pointing to the judiciary and the corrupt lawyers that have run this country down the ground. | ||
| So who are you pointing to? | ||
| Wasn't that because his lawyer didn't check the jury trial? | ||
| January 6th, what an insurrection. | ||
| Also, the videos that you're referring to, the running demos multiple times... And we're not going to give the Democrats the violence that they want in 2024. | ||
| But let me tell you, you guys keep looking for one. | ||
| Once you guys start to fight and launch martial law, you're going to actually get the real thing. | ||
| And then you'll know what it is. | ||
| Alex, how long have you been calling for martial law? | ||
| How many decades now? | ||
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Also, all the examples you're bringing up have literally been- Oh, the COVID lockdowns were martial law! | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| And they didn't last forever, like you guys- Guys, we shut their ass down! | ||
| No, you didn't shut down anything. | ||
| We beat their fucking ass! | ||
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No, the Supreme Court ruled against- Biden won the election and it stopped. | |
| Biden won the election and it stopped, so you shut them down? | ||
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Who are you? | |
| Are you part of Biden now? | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Is, uh, is, uh... | ||
| No, wait. | ||
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Why are we getting pulled off the Georgia stuff? | |
| Is Rachel Maddow right? | ||
| Why are we talking about COVID right now? | ||
| He brought it up. | ||
| If Biden, is Biden right? | ||
| You take the shot, you're protected. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| I think what Biden did, I think what Biden did was, here's what Biden did for the shot, okay? | ||
| What happened was, Rappensperger and everybody in Georgia looked over all the tapes that you're claiming about, but the ballots being ran three times, not only was that information false, Trump was told that it was false, Trump knew that it was false, Trump repeated it over and over again, including in a call to Rappensperger, and finally Giuliani has come out Okay, well this is a question, Darren. | ||
| Firstly, do you think, if you want to talk about it, do you think the election was rigged or stolen? | ||
| because he lied about something you clearly see on video evidence. | ||
| Okay, well, this is a question, Darren. | ||
| Firstly, do you think, if you want to talk about it, if you think the election was rigged or stolen, but also is it protected speech to question an election and claim that it was stolen? | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| I subscribe to the sort of rigged versus stolen distinction, and I'm more in the rigged category, and I think that's the more meaningful type of interference is the censorship, is all of the other tools that have been deployed in order to... | ||
| Rigged the election. | ||
| I think that's more significant than the sort of more hyperbolic claims regarding, you know, hacking the machines and or, you know, so forth. | ||
| These kinds of things. | ||
| So then you agree that Trump was wrong when he said it was a stolen election? | ||
| Well, it depends what specific claim he's using. | ||
| It's a definitional one. | ||
| Let's say when Trump kept pushing that Dominion, that Dominion was switching votes and it calls him Georgia. | ||
| That, I don't believe in the Dominion stuff. | ||
| Yeah, I don't either. | ||
| It was a lie. | ||
| Trump was lying about it. | ||
| He was lying about it. | ||
| He was lying. | ||
| But see, we're intellectually honest here. | ||
| The point is, is that the State Department runs around the world looking at everybody else's elections, and the number one thing you get sanctions for is taking a candidate off the ballot. | ||
| And that's what Democrats are doing right now, and America sees that. | ||
| The Democrats are not doing it. | ||
| That's going to go to the courts. | ||
| Republicans actually filed a suit. | ||
| It's not the Democrat Supreme Court of Colorado. | ||
| It's not the Democrat Secretary of State in Maine. | ||
| You just said the Democrats aren't doing it! | ||
| They are doing it! | ||
| Alex, in Colorado. | ||
| Goddamn, that's a lie. | ||
| Alex, in Colorado, who filed the suit? | ||
| Six people. | ||
| How many of them are Democrats? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| How many were Democrats out of the six? | ||
| No, how many? | ||
| How many were Republicans who filed the suit? | ||
| Five of the six people that filed the suit in Colorado to get Trump off the ballot were Republicans! | ||
| So stop saying Democrats! | ||
| Democrats don't want Trump off the ballot! | ||
| Glenn's actually responding. | ||
| That's not what happened. | ||
| What happened is the only people who have standing in Colorado to bring a suit are people who can vote in the Republican primaries, which means either Republican voters or independent voters. | ||
| Although the suit was brought in their name, the lawsuit was spearheaded and was paid for and was organized by a Democratic Party-aligned group called CRU that boasted of this and took credit for it. | ||
| So yes, the suit was brought in their name. | ||
| We're going to request the... We had some buzzing, Glenn. | ||
| I want to make sure that everything you said is clearly heard. | ||
| So we're going to fix that and then get back to you. | ||
| Let's go back. | ||
| Glenn, go ahead and talk again. | ||
| Let's try it out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, I don't know how much of that you heard, but what I was saying was that in Colorado, in order to have standing... Hey, Glenn, stay there. | ||
| We're going to have to reconnect with you. | ||
| I want to hear this. | ||
| So I can say what he's saying. | ||
| He's saying that it was brought by a Democratic institution, but they needed Republicans Not just a Democrat institution, it's a notorious lawfare outfit. | ||
| Right, but how many Democratic states said okay? | ||
| He can stay on the ballot. | ||
| So they don't just say like every Democrat just wants to throw Trump off the ballot. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| The Democrats don't want him off the ballot. | ||
| If you were to ask me, I would say let the voters decide. | ||
| I think other candidates would have a better shot than Trump to beat Biden. | ||
| I honestly do. | ||
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| I think Nikki Haley. | ||
| There's no way she would get the nomination. | ||
| World War III birdbrain. | ||
| I think she would defeat Biden. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I actually have a tweet from Vivek Ramaswamy claiming that the, uh, what did he call it? | ||
| He called it a happy entrapment day. | ||
| Talking about January 6th. | ||
| You guys think that it was an entrapment? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Donald Trump entrapped all those poor people to be there. | ||
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So you think it was an entrapment? | |
| They probably thought he'd bail them out. | ||
| Or that he'd pardon them like he did every other person in his campaign that was convicted of any crime. | ||
| That's why I said be peaceful. | ||
| Because Trump was always calling for supporters. | ||
| He also called for them to fight like hell and Giuliani said... Fight like hell means for our freedom and our vote and our country. | ||
| Okay, and people can say things that they don't mean in order to... Hey, when you go to a high school football game, a pep rally, and the cheerleaders go, fight, fight, fight, fight! | ||
| Trial by combat? | ||
| That doesn't mean anything either? | ||
| That's a legal term. | ||
| I think the thing that's most instructive to see what Donald Trump wanted to happen that day is that when he sat down and he watched the violence unfolding on TV, when he saw the people fighting with cops, when he got notification that Ashley Babbitt had been shot, Donald Trump did not take steps to stop the violence that day. | ||
| Instead, him and Giuliani made phone calls to senators and congressmen trying to get them to stall the vote. | ||
| What do you guys think ethically about people in politics telling people to go fight? | ||
| You find it to be misleading? | ||
| Look, we're not a neutered population. | ||
| I mean, I have Democrats. | ||
| During the impeachment for this, they shut it down when finally Trump put a five-minute video on of Democrats saying, attack them at grocery stores, attack them at gas stations, attack. | ||
| We need civil insurrection. | ||
| What do we think about the term battleground state? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You know, it's... The problem is not... This is typical political rhetoric. | |
| No, it's the context. | ||
| Yeah, it's not... Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| Nobody is upset because Donald Trump said, fight like hell. | ||
| People are upset because for months or years, really even in 2016, Donald Trump has consistently attacked and undermined the electoral process with absolutely no good reason, from no foundation, and that he had the chance to. | ||
| He was a Russian agent and set the deep state on him for the four years of his administration. | ||
| Is there any evidence Trump's a Russian agent? | ||
| No, but that's why he wasn't convicted or charged of any crimes for it. | ||
| No, but they were the ones saying that the American voters were manipulated by the Russians. | ||
| Was he charged with crimes? | ||
| Wait, wait, Alex, was he charged with a crime for that? | ||
| Hillary is currently saying... | ||
| They tried. | ||
| They tried. | ||
| Wait, but the Kegler reports, why didn't they just charge him falsely? | ||
| They haven't charged him for insurrection. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Why did Jack Smith get to indict him? | ||
| But not for— Trump is going to steal the election. | ||
| Why didn't he get an indictment? | ||
| Is Hillary saying Trump's going to steal the election? | ||
| Why didn't— Why is Hillary saying Trump's going to steal the election? | ||
| Why is Hillary saying Trump's going to steal the election? | ||
| Why wasn't Trump indict him? | ||
| Why is Hillary saying Trump's going to steal the election? | ||
| Guys, guys, guys. | ||
| Why is Hillary saying Trump's going to steal— All right. | ||
| I'm about to stand up, just so you know, and that would be good TV, but I'm not going to do it. | ||
| Well, he won't stop! | ||
| And I will dominate! | ||
| I can't even finish the statement! | ||
| What we need to do... And you don't answer questions! | ||
| Guys, what we need to do... No, I do answer questions! | ||
| Listen to me for a moment! | ||
| We are! | ||
| ...that we don't speak over each other. | ||
| What we do is we listen to each other, take turns. | ||
| It becomes way better time. | ||
| Well, I have a question for you. | ||
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I agree. | |
| Well, can I finish my statement and get it right to the audience? | ||
| Is it okay that Hillary is on TV this week, three times I saw, saying Trump's gonna steal the election? | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Why is she allowed to? | ||
| Rent free in your head right now. | ||
| The problem with Trump's speech. | ||
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Rent free. | |
| No, no. | ||
| Why can Democrats say it, but Republicans can't? | ||
| You keep trying to change the subject. | ||
| I'm not changing the subject. | ||
| Hillary shouldn't be saying that. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Hillary shouldn't be saying that. | ||
| Who is she? | ||
| She's a private citizen. | ||
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Oh my gosh. | |
| It's not even worth anybody's time to listen to this. | ||
| What a headache. | ||
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How about, but still, you know what's funny though? | |
| Is that Adam is still the cringiest one? | ||
| Even though it's so annoying. | ||
| Like Destiny and Alex Jones are the two most annoying people in the debate. | ||
| Somehow Adam is the cringiest. | ||
| I just want to replay that part when he yelled, listen to me. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Even Darren. | ||
| Why wasn't Trump indicted? | ||
| Guys, guys, guys. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I'm about to stand up, just so you know, and that would be good TV, but I'm not going to do it. | ||
| Well, he won't stop, and I will dominate. | ||
| What we need to do, guys, what we need to do is listen to me for a moment. | ||
| That we don't speak over each other. | ||
| What we do is we listen to each other, take turns. | ||
| It becomes way better. | ||
| Well, I have a question for you. | ||
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I agree. | |
| Boy, can I finish my statement here right to the end? | ||
| Is it okay that Hillary is on TV this week, three times I saw her, saying Trump's gonna steal the election? | ||
| Hillary is— Why is she allowed to? | ||
| Rent-free in your head right now. | ||
| The problem with Trump's speech— Oh, rent-free! | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Why can Democrats say it, but Republicans can't? | ||
| You keep trying to change the subject. | ||
| I'm not changing the subject. | ||
| Hillary shouldn't be saying that. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Hillary shouldn't be saying that. | ||
| Who is she? | ||
| She's a private citizen. | ||
| But I think you're allowed to say people are in a still election, whether you're right or wrong. | ||
| That's why Trump isn't being charged for it. | ||
| Trump, you said it yourself, he's not being charged with incitement. | ||
| He's not being charged with insurrection. | ||
| But that has nothing to do with him saying a particular thing. | ||
| Did Joe Biden try to get the votes certified for Hillary Clinton? | ||
| Did Hillary Clinton try to force Joe Biden in 2016 to certify the electoral votes? | ||
| No, because the landslide was so big. | ||
| The lands- Biden had a pretty big landslide. | ||
| Wait, hold on. | ||
| What do you mean the landslide was so big? | ||
| Didn't Hillary win the popular vote? | ||
| Hillary won the popular vote. | ||
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And Biden won by more than a landslide. | |
| The narrative collapsed right before our eyes. | ||
| So Trump didn't win the 2016 election. | ||
| What? | ||
| Trump didn't win. | ||
| No, which one? 2016. | ||
| Uh, he didn't win the popular vote. | ||
| With Russian help, right? | ||
| He didn't win the popular vote. | ||
| No. | ||
| From the evidence I've seen, he had a huge landslide. | ||
| They tried to steal it with illegal alien voters, but it's still Trump is so big. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| We're not all privy to the election that exists in your head. | ||
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I know. | |
| There's no illegal aliens. | ||
| The voices that talk to you don't give us the same kind of information. | ||
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Democrats are never voting. | |
| The rest of us on Earth don't get elections. | ||
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We're being downed from the mothership. | |
| We gotta go by what people in reality say. | ||
| I'm so sorry. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| people know you're wrong the states with the illegals are getting more california just got six more congressional senators we need you to come up and rise up there it is i'm tied down there's no invasion you guys no border you guys think that there was federal involvement here or there was that what the the extent of it was on january 6th look at the way he's standing Look at his shoes, dude. | ||
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Look at his shoes. | |
| What are those? | ||
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This is terrible, dude. | |
| He... What are you doing, dude? | ||
| Bro's getting up in his gym shoes and his, uh... Bruh... And the way he's standing in the whole getup, like, bruh, what is this debate? | ||
| At least like Alex Jones and Destiny. | ||
| Okay, that's refreshing actually. | ||
| At least Alex Jones and Destiny are doing a thing. | ||
| Like they're doing blood sports, over-the-top, you know, shouting match. | ||
| And the Krasensteins and Darren Beatty, they're a little more intellectual. | ||
| This guy's just like, what are you doing? | ||
| Jimi Hendrix concerts down the hall to the left. | ||
| Okay, Bob Dylan. | ||
| Blues festival or whatever. | ||
| You know, that's in a totally different room. | ||
| I don't know what the outfit is. | ||
| I don't know what that whole look is about. | ||
| He's jumping out of his seat screaming. | ||
| That's like the worst aspect of it. | ||
| I think there are probably federal agents undercover. | ||
| Do I think that federal agents committed crimes and led people into the Capitol? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| And there hasn't been any case brought by any of these 700 convicts. | ||
| None of them brought that up in court. | ||
| Because they're being prosecuted in the District of Columbia. | ||
| Because there's no evidence of it. | ||
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No, I know lawyers. | |
| Absolutely no evidence of it. | ||
| They won't let them put defenses on. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| They said Ray Epps was a hero and did nothing wrong. | ||
| Now they finally indicted him because they know it's a weak spot in their operation. | ||
| They're only asking for six months. | ||
| Let me tell you. | ||
| We're not playing clips for tip for tat here. | ||
| But everybody's going to, I want everybody on X to get these statements and put all the clips of women putting onions in their eyes. | ||
| And the cops fake arresting people and high-fiving them and saying, I'm a federal agent. | ||
| I just helped run the attack. | ||
| They're gonna string all these videos out. | ||
| So here's the thing. | ||
| Like Brian said, there's probably some informants on the ground. | ||
| I think one of the Proud Boys, one of the ladies in the Proud Boy was an informant. | ||
| So she was on the ground. | ||
| She didn't go into the Capitol building, I don't believe. | ||
| The problem is, with what Alex does, is he pushes these conspiracy theories. | ||
| These ideas that illegal aliens were voting. | ||
| There's no evidence of that. | ||
| I think with the illegal alien voting thing is what's happening is they're coming in and then they're being counted in the census which then adds more electoral votes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It gives more congressional districts. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| He didn't even know that! | ||
| Didn't I say that earlier? | ||
| Didn't I say that he obviously doesn't know how the census works? | ||
| Because like 90 minutes ago in this seemingly endless debate, Alex Jones said that illegals are coming and they're being counted in the census and he said, well but that's different than them voting. | ||
| And I said, well, he may not realize that every 10 years when they conduct the census in the following election, they reapportion the Electoral College votes and the seats in the House of Representatives, because the House and the electors are according to population. | ||
| And here we are 90 minutes later, the moderator clarified and he goes, oh yeah, yeah, oh that's fair. | ||
| He didn't know! | ||
| That's how little these people know. | ||
| They don't know anything. | ||
| You know, we got Destiny on a lot of pretty incredible things over the past month or two. | ||
| But that's pretty wild. | ||
| It seems that nobody on that side of the panel even knew that that's how the census works. | ||
| And I know that's not, like, obvious. | ||
| I know probably a lot of you guys didn't know that. | ||
| I'm just gonna take a wild guess. | ||
| You know, this is a pretty educated crowd. | ||
| Rumble is a lot of political people. | ||
| Political people, I think, tend to know about these things. | ||
| But it's not obvious. | ||
| If no one's ever told you that, you might not even think of it. | ||
| Maybe you knew it deep down, but maybe not really. | ||
| But they don't know. | ||
| Like, they have no idea what they're talking about. | ||
| I said that earlier. | ||
| I was like, they can't possibly not know. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| Might be happening, I haven't been there. | ||
| But in our country, they're not voting. | ||
| There are indictments of illegals everywhere voting. | ||
| Got them again. | ||
| Hit them hard. | ||
| Hit them hard. | ||
| They're not voting. | ||
| That's a conspiracy theory. | ||
| Like two people? | ||
| Maybe five? | ||
| A bunch of cities have passed laws where illegal aliens can vote. | ||
| No, they haven't. | ||
| Not in the federal elections. | ||
| Oh, the illegals are voting in elections though? | ||
| Not in the federal ones. | ||
| I know that some cities try to have them voting in, like, local matters. | ||
| I don't know how many of those are successful. | ||
| Illegal aliens shouldn't be voting, okay? | ||
| But they're not. | ||
| They're not voting in federal elections. | ||
| I don't know why you would care though. | ||
| Why would you even care? | ||
| That's a conspiracy theory, Alex. | ||
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Come on. | |
| There are going to be a hundred million views of you guys. | ||
| X is going to eat you guys alive. | ||
| I'm glad. | ||
| I can't wait for it. | ||
| I don't know why you care about illegals voting when you think Trump can just flip the whole election anyway. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| He can just ask Pence to throw it all out and do whatever. | ||
| I would have thought no, but... | ||
| See, again, with this unilateral business, he doesn't understand. | ||
| I'm going to flip the election. | ||
| Do you think it was okay when he asked Pence to do it? | ||
| I already told you five times. | ||
| I think that was a bad theory. | ||
| I didn't say it was a bad theory. | ||
| Do you think it was allowed? | ||
| Do you think it was an attempted coup? | ||
| Do you think you can ask the vice president to unilaterally determine the outcome of the election? | ||
| No. | ||
| Trump was exploring every option. | ||
| The main thing he wanted was a 10-day investigation. | ||
| No, Trump wanted Pence to throw out the election to declare him the winner. | ||
| Imagine if Trump would stay alive. | ||
| No, but what? | ||
| No. | ||
| He didn't want Pence to throw it out and make him the winner. | ||
| The legal theory was that if Pence didn't read votes from states that were contested, And that would have been challenged by the Supreme Court. | ||
| either candidate reached a majority, then Congress would decide. | ||
| And each state would have a delegation, and that delegation would cast a vote, and that would determine the outcome. | ||
| And that would have been challenged by the Supreme Court. | ||
| That interpretation of the Constitution, that Mike Pence has the authority to do that, it would be challenged, and the Supreme Court would have decided. | ||
| But to say, well, he wanted Mike Pence to throw it out and make him the winner, that's not what the theory was. | ||
| And even if you don't agree with the theory, that's a legal remedy. | ||
| It's just like with removing Trump from the ballot. | ||
| You may not agree with that, but it's technically legal for the Secretary of State to say he's ineligible according to some law. | ||
| That's not an insurrection. | ||
| That's a legal theory. | ||
| There's ambiguity in the Constitution. | ||
| That's why we have a Supreme Court. | ||
| So that they interpret what the Constitution means. | ||
| Because the Constitution governs this process. | ||
| This stuff is not that complicated. | ||
| Like, I don't believe Joe Biden can be on the ballot. | ||
| Imagine if federal judges— And that would go to court, and the courts can decide that. | ||
| What would Republicans be doing right now— Biden hasn't said that. | ||
| Biden hasn't said that. | ||
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If Republicans were trying to take— Trump spent four years saying Obama shouldn't go on the ballot. | |
| I mean, what are you going to say? | ||
| If Republicans were trying to take Joe Biden on the ballot right now, what would you say? | ||
| Let the Supreme Court decide. | ||
| It depends on how they're going to do it. | ||
| Even this conservative Supreme Court, I'd say let them decide. | ||
| Let's find Glenn Greenwaldi. | ||
| Yeah, we should. | ||
| But, Darren, you've been ahead of us. | ||
| Why would Republicans have an impeachment committee right now? | ||
| Darren, what's on your brain right now? | ||
| Because I'm looking at you thinking. | ||
| Well, I can attempt to answer the question about... | ||
| Federal involvement, as my reporting at Revolver News is largely responsible for changing the national conversation in that direction. | ||
| And notice they first threatened to sue you. | ||
| I'm going to leave you in a minute. | ||
| Take a piss. | ||
| They first threatened to sue you. | ||
| Now they've indicted Epps. | ||
| You've been vindicated. | ||
| In fact, I have a video. | ||
| This is about Ray Epps. | ||
| You just mentioned, Alex. | ||
| It's clip number three, and it's about 25 seconds long. | ||
| We're going to play this, and then, Darren, I want to hear what you're about to say. | ||
| If a grown man has to get up two times in like an hour and a half or two hours to pee, I mean, he's drunk, right? | ||
| I mean, who else needs to go up and pee that often? | ||
| Or maybe he's just going to take a cigarette break or something. | ||
| Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol! | ||
| Into the Capitol! | ||
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No! | |
| Peacefully! | ||
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Fed! | |
| Tomorrow, I don't even like to say it because I'll be arrested. | ||
| Well, let's not say it. | ||
| We need... We need to go... I'll say it. | ||
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Alright. | |
| We need to go in... Shut the fuck up, Boomer. | ||
| ...to the Capitol. | ||
| Oh, well wait, Ray Epps didn't do anything because he said peacefully at the end, right? | ||
| We didn't move past him. | ||
| Well, no, he said go into the Capitol. | ||
| But he said peacefully. | ||
| Well, so what? | ||
| It's still illegal to go into the Capitol. | ||
| I thought peacefully was the operative word. | ||
| Yeah, I thought peacefully made it all okay. | ||
| No, going in is illegal. | ||
| Trump didn't say storm the Capitol. | ||
| He didn't say go into the Capitol. | ||
| You're right, he's gonna get six months in prison, so. | ||
| No, I mean, you guys want to hear the argument for federal involvement or not? | ||
| Sure, go for it. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I want to hear it. | ||
| These three guys are so... And notice, by the way, how they turn into smarmy faggots when it's three versus one. | ||
| When Alex isn't there and, you know, their lips were quivering and... By the way, look at... I just noticed, look at the physiognomy. | ||
| Look at this guy's face. | ||
| He tell me they're not vampires? | ||
| I'm talking about Jewish people. | ||
| So notice that when Alex is there, they're on their best behavior. | ||
| I mean practically they're shaking. | ||
| Alex leaves and suddenly they get fucking smartass and they say, oh so now it's about... Obviously that's different. | ||
| Any intelligent person can see what Darren is saying. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of dimensions to it. | ||
| We can start with the Ray Epps issue. | ||
| Here's a guy, you saw that, that was only part of the clip. | ||
| There's much longer clips about re-ups. | ||
| But here's a guy who's the only guy caught on camera as early as January 5th. | ||
| Repeatedly calling for people to go into the Capitol and prefacing his seemingly rehearsed remarks in each case, saying, I'm probably going to go to jail for this. | ||
| I'm probably going to get arrested for this. | ||
| I need to go into the Capitol. | ||
| The next day, he flew across the whole country, presumably to go hear Trump's speech. | ||
| He skipped Trump's speech. | ||
| Instead, he was a veritable Where's Waldo, everywhere on January 6th, directing people, go into the Capitol. | ||
| It's in that direction. | ||
| That's where our problems are. | ||
| Then, amazingly, he's prepositioned right at that initial decisive breach point on the west perimeter of the Capitol, and he's whispering into somebody's ear just seconds before the bike racks are broken through. | ||
| He texts his nephew. | ||
| I orchestrated it. | ||
| On paper, think about it. | ||
| He's like a 6'3", former Marine, who was wearing camo gear and a Trump hat, and he just happens to have had a leadership position in the Oath Keepers, the most demonized and heavily prosecuted... He used to, right? | ||
| He doesn't anymore. | ||
| He used to. | ||
| The most demonized and heavily prosecuted militia group associated with January 6th. | ||
| And the regime doesn't touch him. | ||
| However, initially his behavior was considered to be so egregious he was one of the first 20 people added to the FBI's most wanted list about January 6. | ||
| He was prominently featured in the New York Times's ominously titled Day of rage. | ||
| Of all the clips the New York Times could have found and chosen, they chose Ray Epps to represent their thesis that this was a pre-planned insurrection to storm the Capitol. | ||
| And then, when the discussion of federal involvement came in to be, One of our major pieces at Revolver News, literally the next day is when the FBI quietly removed him from their list. | ||
| And all of a sudden, he went from FBI's most wanted and featured in the New York Times' Day of Rage to New York Times does a fully dedicated puff piece on him. | ||
| 60 Minutes does a sympathy segment on him. | ||
| He's the only January 6th participant that Adam Kinzinger, who's never met a Trump supporter, he doesn't want to see rotting in jail for 50 years, that Adam Kinzinger will defend more aggressively than Epps' own lawyers. | ||
| And now, almost three years after, | ||
| The government finally says, OK, we're going to hit you with a wrist-slap misdemeanor, as though people are so simple-minded to think, well, if the argument hasn't been indicted, therefore he's a fed, if we indict him now, even if it's a misdemeanor, even three years after, no matter what the circumstances, this constitutes a refutation and totally wipes away the mountains of suspicious evidence surrounding the character of Reyebs. | ||
| That's just, that's just the case of Epps. | ||
| There are many other things. | ||
| Can I just touch on that real quick? | ||
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| So you mentioned he, you mentioned a few things I want to touch on. | ||
| So you talked about how he whispered in somebody's ear and moments later that guy went in the Capitol. | ||
| That was Mr. Samsel. | ||
| Samsel. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And Mr. Samsel actually testified under oath. | ||
| I believe he is convicted. | ||
| He said that Epps actually said, told him, calm down, the police are on our side. | ||
| Well, he's changed his story. | ||
| I don't, I wouldn't rest. | ||
| Did you, did you write the original Revolver article? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| Okay, I set aside three days to go over Ray Epps stuff and it took me six hours to see. | ||
| It was one of the stupidest conspiracies I've ever seen in my entire life. | ||
| So, the other thing I just want to... Yeah, go for it. | ||
| So, you said that he didn't get convicted and he didn't get charged until... | ||
| Just recently. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, the people who were charged with anything but misdemeanors were people who used violence, and people who went into the house chamber where the joint session was, and the people who were involved in a seditious conspiracy. | ||
| It had to be a conspiracy. | ||
| Ray Epps acted alone here. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| That's an open question. | ||
| As far as we can see, he acted alone. | ||
| Anything else beyond that would just be a conspiracy theory. | ||
| So, he falls into the same category. | ||
| Well, seditious conspiracy is technically a conspiracy theory. | ||
| It doesn't mean that it's not true, right? | ||
| No, seditious conspiracy is a charged conspiracy theory. | ||
| It's a theory of the case. | ||
| A theory that there is a conspiracy that took place. | ||
| So, he doesn't fall into any category that any of the other protesters fall in because he didn't fall into any of those three categories. | ||
| So, he got charged with misdemeanor. | ||
| Other people, the conspirators, The people who use violence and the people who went into the House chamber are the ones who are charged with felonies. | ||
| For the Ray Epp stuff, if you look at his story from start to finish, it is incredibly obvious the guy is a boomer. | ||
| The guy was a huge Trump supporter. | ||
| He used to be part of the Oath Keepers a while before. | ||
| That's what he testified to under oath. | ||
| He used to be part of the Oath Keepers years earlier than he'd left. | ||
| I think it was the Arizona chapter. | ||
| Ray Epps went to the march. | ||
| You said he skipped the speech. | ||
| Tons of people were listening to the speech on cell phones and other things and broadcasting to other people. | ||
| Ray Epps was outside the speech. | ||
| There's on video, I know, because you posted in your article with him literally telling people, let's go, we're marching to the Capitol. | ||
| That was before the speech began. | ||
| That was before the speech. | ||
| He's telling people in advance of the speech we need to go to the Capitol because somehow he got it in his mind that everything would end up at the Capitol. | ||
| I'm pretty sure he's doing it as Trump is making the speech, not before the speech has begun. | ||
| Before the speech began, there are timestamps on the video. | ||
| We can go back and watch it. | ||
| The revolver story is up there. | ||
| For every single thing that you assert about him, that he's in video whispering into a guy's ear, you say it in the rest of your article, all he's doing on the day of, when the protesting is getting violent, is going up and down telling people, don't fight with the cops. | ||
| Don't fight with the cops. | ||
| The cops are on our side. | ||
| That's what he's saying the entire time. | ||
| The idea that he said that the entire day, but the one guy whose ear that he whispered into that unfortunately we don't have audio capture of, that he and Samson testified to, is he said, hey, the cops are on our side or the cops aren't enemies. | ||
| They both say something to that effect. | ||
| And that seems to synergize with everything else he said on that day. | ||
| You go on to say that that guy immediately after was the one that broke down the fence. | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| You can see like 15 people right next to him that are all trying to break down the fence. | ||
| Yeah, the guy goes in eventually, but if we truly believe that this guy is a federal agent or is working to instigate the riot, we've laid out absolutely nothing supporting that. | ||
| Just some video footage of another boomer being at the rally. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That was there. | ||
| If you want to say that why was he removed from the FBI list? | ||
| I mean, why was he removed from the FBI list? | ||
| Like, all the information is out there. | ||
| He said that after his video was identified, and people on X started to identify him, and then because all of his online stuff is incredibly easy to find, he started to get phone calls, he started to get harassed, he started to get threats, so he called the FBI as soon as this was brought to his attention, and he told the FBI, hey, this was me, and here I am, and this is what's happening, and the FBI took him off the list. | ||
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No, wrong. | |
| Your timeline is wrong. | ||
| He called the FBI when he saw himself in the videos. | ||
| Wrong. | ||
| Yeah, a friend told him about it and he's that yeah, that's what that's what he said. | ||
| That's what he testified. | ||
| He called the FBI very shortly after January 6th because of his picture being on the most wanted list. | ||
| He wasn't taken off the most wanted list until the middle part of 2021 there were multiple months span between him calling the fbi in the first instance and being quietly removed true yes it is that's not well i mean i can tell you why it's not true okay because what you did because i read your article is you looked at two archived versions of the website and you didn't have a 12-month archive for some reason you assumed that the recent snapshot that you took at 2021 | ||
| you think that that was the first time the page has been That was just the first time the page has been archived. | ||
| I don't think the FBI has made a statement on it, but what Epps testified to was that he either saw a video of himself or a friend saw a video of himself or a friend saw him on the list and then people were making videos and then he called the FBI and he said, hey, I need to talk to you and this is what's going on. | ||
| If he was a Fed, why would they remove him from the list when everybody's clearly looking at the list? | ||
| He was one of the only people removed. | ||
| Why would senators be defending him so vigilantly? | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| Why was he quietly removed right when the question of federal involvement became a major part of the national conversation? | ||
| I don't want to get lost in these weeds. | ||
| I just want to say something quickly. | ||
| So you're saying he said we need to go into the Capitol. | ||
| Peacefully. | ||
| And you point out correctly that in many instances caught on video, he's engaged in what you could call de-escalation of the crowd and he's not urging people to violence. | ||
| That's all correct. | ||
| I never said he's urging people to violence. | ||
| He was absolutely a provocateur and his mission as stated and as implemented and as orchestrated by his own verbatim text was he wanted people to go into the Capitol Peacefully. | ||
| That might be the case. | ||
| Wait, that might be the case. | ||
| And if that's all you're saying... It's not all! | ||
| No, that's everything! | ||
| That's everything! | ||
| Nobody here is saying that he didn't say that and he didn't want people to do that. | ||
| But the claim is that there's some sort of... That's illegal! | ||
| That's fine! | ||
| He can be charged for it. | ||
| Do you think anybody here cares if he gets charged for that crime? | ||
| The issue is you're saying that he was doing it under the direction of a federal agency. | ||
| The 6'3 guy that looks like he's dying of type 2 diabetes and arthritis is somehow some intimidating marine captain that's sending people into the capital. | ||
| That was your claim that you provided zero evidence for and you don't in either of the articles that you write about him. | ||
| We got Glenn Beck on the horn. | ||
| Glenn, we've been talking about Ray Epps. | ||
| We played a video. | ||
| I'm not sure if you saw it. | ||
| Not Glenn Beck. | ||
| They don't let Darren follow up on that. | ||
| That's so funny, Glenn. | ||
| They're hard to tell the difference between nowadays. | ||
| Glenn has been very patient. | ||
| Be clear for Glenn Greenwald. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| What's happened, dude? | ||
| Well, I just, I mean, I only heard the last four minutes of the conversation, but I'm still always amazed by, I really don't understand the argument because the FBI and the U.S. | ||
| security state before January 6 was saying that they regard the greatest threat to national security not as being ISIS or Al Qaeda or Hamas or Hezbollah or China or any other foreign threat. | ||
| They regard the greatest threat as being right-wing domestic extremists, in whom that was included on many lists, the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters, And all of the people in the groups that they said orchestrated January 6th. | ||
| Is the argument that you think that the FBI was not monitoring and infiltrating those groups? | ||
| Because there's actually a ton of evidence that the FBI had their hooks in all three of those groups. | ||
| And not only had their hooks in them, but on January 6th had informants on the ground who were pretending to be Trump supporters who were talking in real time to the FBI about everything So I just want to understand what the claim is. | ||
| Is the claim that the FBI was not involved in the groups that organized January 6th and didn't have informants with them that day? | ||
| They weren't instigating. | ||
| That's your claim. | ||
| It came out that the vice president of the Oath Keepers was an FBI informant. | ||
| The Proud Boys had at least three and as many as eight. | ||
| And the New York Times itself reported that there were FBI informants and the Proud Boys who were inside the Capitol texting their handlers as the event unfolded. | ||
| So they recorded the garage. | ||
| They recorded the garage meeting the day before. | ||
| And the Fed said the court, nothing was said violent or no planning. | ||
| Brian, you wanted to say something? | ||
| Yeah, so I'm just confused. | ||
| So you're saying that Ray Epps was actually a federal agent who was indicted, who pled guilty, and is likely going to get six months in prison? | ||
| Is that your argument? | ||
| Well, the New York Times protects him. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| About Epps, you know, so a couple of things there. | ||
| You don't find it a little bit strange? | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| I'll get to you. | ||
| I promise you. | ||
| I promise you I'll address that. | ||
| But let's just consider the context. | ||
| The context in the immediate aftermath of January 6th, by the words of Steve Sherwin, who was in charge of the prosecution, their posture was one of quote-unquote shock and awe. | ||
| They were going after everyone. | ||
| They were hitting them very hard. | ||
| Now again, think about central casting. | ||
| On paper, Ray Epps, he's the 6'3", former Marine in camouflage gear with a Trump hat, the only guy caught on video as early as the 5th telling people to go into the Capitol, who's there on the 6th. | ||
| Directing people to the Capitol, who's right there pre-positioned at that initial breach phase. | ||
| And this, and, and, and... Helping ram signs. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And he happens to be a former head of the Oath Keepers. | ||
| And you're not telling me it's bizarre? | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
| You're not telling me it's at least a little bit bizarre that of all January 6th participants, he's the only one who gets a New York Times puff piece. | ||
| He's the only one who gets a 60, uh, 60 minutes sympathy segment. | ||
| He's the only one that Adam Kinzinger will defend. | ||
| So are you saying that New York Times is now working with the feds, working with the right apps? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No, as a matter of fact, yes. | ||
| Wait, wait. | ||
| Why do you think they all wrote those articles? | ||
| Why did they say there were WMDs in Iraq? | ||
| Because they're told to. | ||
| So going back. | ||
| No, no, wait. | ||
| Why did they write those articles? | ||
| Why don't you say that part? | ||
| Wait, so I want to address your question directly. | ||
| You're saying if he were an asset, and by the way, I'm not definitive in the sense that, oh, I don't think he was working directly for the FBI. | ||
| I don't even know if he was directly working for the federal government. | ||
| He was an asset. | ||
| He was acting on behalf of a third party. | ||
| He was not an authentic actor on that day. | ||
| That I will say with a great deal of confidence. | ||
| But wait a second. | ||
| It's a victory. | ||
| Let me say one thing. | ||
| I've been gone for 10 minutes. | ||
| It's a victory they went from saying he's an angel, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times. | ||
| He's perfect. | ||
| Let him talk! | ||
| Let Darren talk! | ||
| Alex, quick thing on that. | ||
| The criminal complaint acknowledges that he engaged in, quote-unquote, felonious behavior. | ||
| But among the mitigating factors that they cite is, oh, this poor guy was a victim of all these conspiracy theories. | ||
| It's pretty remarkable. | ||
| Well, he was, though. | ||
| He was. | ||
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He absolutely was. | |
| Why don't you answer me? | ||
| Why were people writing I want to just quickly answer the question about your question. | ||
| Basically, if he was an asset, why did they go after his own their own asset? | ||
| Why would they indict their own asset? | ||
| That happens all the time. | ||
| In fact, that's almost the norm that ultimately when they have undercover people, they'll indict them just when the assets become liabilities, they indict them. | ||
| In fact, we don't have to go too far into the past to get a case of that. | ||
| There is the Michigan Fed napping case. | ||
| We need a better argument. | ||
| I want to get my point in really fast. | ||
| where there is the informant Steve Robeson, who was a long-time, over-decade-long informant, who was part of the entrapment scheme in Michigan case with striking parallels to January 6th, by the way. | ||
| And he, when he became inconvenient, was indicted by the government. | ||
| There's so many cases... | ||
| For breaking the law. | ||
| For actually breaking the law. | ||
| You need a better argument. | ||
| I'm going to get my point in. | ||
| Really fast, really fast. | ||
| I haven't been able to get my point in. | ||
| So you're saying that Ray Epps is a federal agent... | ||
| Well, I didn't say that. | ||
| I said he was acting on behalf of a third party. | ||
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You know, at the end of the day, these guys are just dumb. | |
| The three on the left. | ||
| And I've been noticing that more and more, is that their entire argument is a confidence game. | ||
| Because they're just dumb. | ||
| They didn't listen to all that. | ||
| I mean, Darren just said, while I'm not confident necessarily that he was an agent or an informant, he said that he was not an organic actor. | ||
| So you're saying he's a fed? | ||
| Like, did you not hear that part? | ||
| Do you not understand the distinction? | ||
| But an inauthentic actor on January 6th. | ||
| Even though there's no evidence of this. | ||
| And then you're saying he's turning around... There's no evidence. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| And he's suing Fox News for defamation, which is going to open up all sorts of cans of worms with discovery that he's going to have to provide legally in front of a court. | ||
| You think that if he was a federal agent, he'd be suing Fox News for defamation? | ||
| They know they control the jurisdiction, but he did say in a text message that day during it, I orchestrated the attack. | ||
| You think he's gonna sue for defamation? | ||
| He was bragging to his nephew that he was there. | ||
| And he said, I orchestrated it. | ||
| He said, I orchestrated it. | ||
| To his nephew. | ||
| To his nephew. | ||
| Why would a federal agent text such incriminating evidence to his nephew? | ||
| Why wasn't he indicted before? | ||
| We made him the centerpiece of that congressional hearings. | ||
| He was all over the news. | ||
| They were forced to do it thanks to Tugger Carlson and Professor Darren Beattie's work. | ||
| Wait, why do you trust Tugger Carlson when he said he lied to you? | ||
| Tucker Carlson said Sidney Powell was crazy. | ||
| Tucker Carlson left Fox News because he didn't believe the election fraud claims, that he was being forced to push on TV because of Trump. | ||
| Why would you trust Tucker Carlson, of all people? | ||
| Tucker, early on, thought it was wrong. | ||
| Now he says he was wrong about that. | ||
| Now he says he thinks the elections are crazy. | ||
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Let me answer your question about the discovery. | |
| When a lawsuit goes away, the answers change. | ||
| Listen, whether you're right or wrong, you have a right to question the elections. | ||
| The Democrats do all the time. | ||
| No one wants to take that right from you. | ||
| Brian, you were saying? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| Glenn, go ahead. | ||
| The whole context for this conversation is, again, I mean, you just keep going back to it because it's so easy to see. | ||
| People have this idea of the FBI like, oh, they don't do this sort of thing. | ||
| Earlier, I think it was Ed who said, wait, why would the New York Times run a puppies? | ||
| Do you think they're working with the FBI? | ||
| Like that idea to him is so different. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| It was me. | ||
| No idea what the history of the FBI is in this country. | ||
| They have no idea that the FBI throughout the entire war on terror did this over and over. | ||
| They would target and entrap all sorts of vulnerable Muslims to engage in plots that the FBI created in order to create a narrative that the FBI was needed because there was a much bigger threat of Islamic terrorism than there actually was. | ||
| The FBI has been infiltrating and then using provocateurs to encourage groups to commit crimes so that the FBI can gain more power, can spread this narrative. | ||
| You have to be incredibly naive or only paying attention to the news since 2016 and thinking Donald Trump is the only issue, not to understand that this is what the FBI has been doing. | ||
| But you have no evidence of it. | ||
| You're just making theories up. | ||
| By the way, if I can just add a nice little colorful detail there. | ||
| The author of the Ray Epps puff piece that asked none of the questions that would get to the core of his involvement there. | ||
| Total puff piece, you can read it yourself. | ||
| The author of that, his previous work, includes the CIA authorized account of the Sinaloa cartel. | ||
| Yeah, the idea of the New York Times doing clean-up work for the deep states is insane. | ||
| What Glenn Greenwald was saying is key. | ||
| I remember the New York Times headline. | ||
| They can pull it up in there. | ||
| We're not showing videos or clips. | ||
| It would be too much here. | ||
| I remember the New York Times headline like 15 years ago. | ||
| 97% of Islamic terror plots were hatched and run by the FBI. | ||
| That was the headline. | ||
| We're getting so far away from the point, though. | ||
| Including the first World Trade Center bombing, by the way, which is... Alex, Alex, Alex, just one really quick thing. | ||
| You said Ray Epps was one of the last to be charged. | ||
| He isn't the last to be charged. | ||
| There's 1,200 people that have been charged. | ||
| 1,250, I believe. | ||
| Who said he's the last to be charged? | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| Alex said they waited three years. | ||
| Yeah, they waited three years. | ||
| That's insignificant. | ||
| Do you realize that they're still indicting people, and they expect that they're probably going to... They had puff pieces. | ||
| He was on ABC. | ||
| Let me finish my point, Alex. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So do you realize that they're still indicting people? | ||
| There's likely going to be hundreds of people still indicted. | ||
| Ray Epps didn't get any less a sentence than anybody else that did anything like him. | ||
| Well, first of all, they could have hit him with far more serious charges than they did. | ||
| He addressed me. | ||
| What charge do you recommend? | ||
| What charge would have been a fair charge? | ||
| I respond to what you said. | ||
| Let Alex respond. | ||
| I want to hear Darren's response. | ||
| My God. | ||
| The man is like a chicken with his head cut off for three days, including the day of the event, running around saying, go in the Capitol. | ||
| He's ramming signs into people. | ||
| He testifies, I orchestrated this attack. | ||
| He did not testify. | ||
| And then there was a Jan 6th committee. | ||
| They asked about this text message. | ||
| He said, I did that. | ||
| Yeah, the text. | ||
| He didn't testify that he orchestrated it. | ||
| No, he testified to the Jan 6th committee. | ||
| They sent the message to his nephew. | ||
| No, he testified. | ||
| No, he didn't. | ||
| That he orchestrated it to the Jan 6th committee? | ||
| You keep interrupting because you can't... I'm not telling the truth. | ||
| Listen, I'm Michael Jordan slamming on you. | ||
| And what's going to happen is, everybody's going to get this clip. | ||
| He testified to the Jan 6th committee. | ||
| They said, is this your text message? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He said, yes. | ||
| I told my nephew I orchestrated it. | ||
| Now stop. | ||
| Let me finish my point. | ||
| Thank you for being honest with us. | ||
| You keep acting honest. | ||
| He said I orchestrated it. | ||
| You keep acting like my... He testified that he said to his nephew that he said that. | ||
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| In a text message. | ||
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There you go. | |
| And he did orchestrate it. | ||
| He did testify. | ||
| So the point is to keep acting like my victory is a failure. | ||
| Where's the evidence that he orchestrated it? | ||
| I'd love to see that. | ||
| He said it! | ||
| To his nephew. | ||
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I text my friends things all the time that are embellishments. | |
| Let me finish my point. | ||
| They're all over every major corporate channel saying this poor little baby, they're saying he was a fed or an operative or a provocateur for some NGO. | ||
| He didn't do anything wrong. | ||
| And when it got so obvious, they finally indicted him with a slap on the wrist. | ||
| And then you're sitting here saying he didn't testify. | ||
| He just testified. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| No, he said he didn't testify that he orchestrated. | ||
| He testified that he sent that text to his nephew. | ||
| Daddy orchestrated it. | ||
| But no, then they asked him. | ||
| Alex, then they asked him if he actually orchestrated it. | ||
| What was his answer? | ||
| Uh, in the transcript, he said, uh, it wasn't that he orchestrated it. | ||
| So if I sent my message saying a bank is robbed, I robbed the bank. | ||
| Have you ever embellished a text message to anybody that you know? | ||
| Like you, like maybe not, maybe not you. | ||
| I can't see you doing that, but maybe. | ||
| Actually, I'm kind of understanding. | ||
| Yeah, Alex, you started bringing up a good point. | ||
| If I send a text message saying I robbed the bank, can I get charged with robbing a bank if I didn't do it? | ||
| Yeah, they got evidence. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| They need the evidence! | ||
| And it's not like he's there saying go into the building. | ||
| They need the evidence! | ||
| It's not like he's there saying go into the... and ramming signs. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| He's not there saying go in for three days. | ||
| He's not there ramming signs. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Ray Epps is innocent. | ||
| He's not there ramming signs. | ||
| Can we get back to my question? | ||
| So my question is... You guys are indefensible. | ||
| My question is, what should Ray Epps have been charged with? | ||
| What law did he break that, instead of what he was charged with, I think, was obstructing the proceeding? | ||
| Let me respond, let me respond. | ||
| No, he was not charged with that. | ||
| That's the interesting thing. | ||
| He was charged with what was it? | ||
| He was not charged with obstruction of an official proceeding, which would have been a very easy charge and a fairly typical felony charge given to us. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So wait, wait, let me answer this comprehensively. | ||
| So, first of all, It's extremely strange, given how conspicuous and egregious and concentrated his behavior was, that he somehow was able to avoid the obstruction of official proceeding charge, number one. | ||
| Number two, there are even more serious charges they could have given him. | ||
| In fact, in the series of videos that we put out, there's one specific exchange he had with another guy. | ||
| He said, when we go in, Leave this here. | ||
| We don't want to get shot. | ||
| So when we go in, leave this here, he's referring to that individual's bear spray. | ||
| That individual ends up going into the Capitol, committing violence, and doing a whole bunch of other things, and this is a bizarre case because this guy, who is super egregious, has to this day Not fully been charged. | ||
| His case hasn't even gone to a district judge yet. | ||
| So the obstruction case... So let me give you a sense. | ||
| Let me give you a sense. | ||
| Because when we're evaluating these things, we have to compare them to standards applied to others. | ||
| Let me stop you. | ||
| You'll go next. | ||
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Dude. | |
| What? | ||
| I've known him eight years. | ||
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How? | |
| He's a badass guy that helps disabled children. | ||
| And is literally a super good person. | ||
| No criminal issues in his life other than protesting. | ||
| He is with me saying, don't go in. | ||
| They charge him and in the charging documents say Owen's lying. | ||
| He doesn't work for Infowars. | ||
| That's in the charging documents, the sentencing documents. | ||
| The judge says I'm putting you in these months in federal prison because you just questioned the election again and gave three examples. | ||
| Owen spends months in a federal prison. | ||
| Why don't you talk about the deferred deferred agreement that he had in 2010? | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| I will. | ||
| Code Pink runs around in protesting. | ||
| He put tape over his mouth when they were letting leftists run around and throw red paint in Congress. | ||
| And they said, sir, you can't do that. | ||
| And he agreed that he wouldn't do it. | ||
| And he did it. | ||
| And then he didn't protest. | ||
| He went there to cover it as a journalist. | ||
| He was in a restricted area, though. | ||
| No, he was on... Listen. | ||
| Listen, listen. | ||
| Owen is there with me saying, don't go in. | ||
| He agreed he would not protest. | ||
| He was there saying, don't go in the Capitol. | ||
| And you're not going to defend him going to prison. | ||
| But he pled guilty to everything that he got charged with. | ||
| Because it's a rigged DC court. | ||
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Or you could explain. | |
| It's funny because the problem is on our side. | ||
| We've got testimony under oath. | ||
| We've got judicial rulings. | ||
| We've got jury trials. | ||
| We've got full videos. | ||
| Everybody's got the video. | ||
| We have all of these. | ||
| We have all of these pieces of evidence. | ||
| I can't finish a single statement. | ||
| Yeah, the problem is... Let me tell you something. | ||
| Sam, my reporter, deserves to go to jail for being there and trying to keep people from going to the building. | ||
| He pled guilty. | ||
| He had a deferment. | ||
| He pled guilty. | ||
| He did. | ||
| What do you do in a rigged D.C. | ||
| court? | ||
| Fight your case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Innocent fight. | ||
| If you have evidence that you're innocent, fight. | ||
| But there was no evidence because he broke the agreement that he signed, and then he pled guilty and said, I broke the agreement that I signed, and agreed to the sentence that the sentencing guy got. | ||
| And Trump should be on the run for office. | ||
| Also, this entire argument has been you, again, arguing for an insurrection, for a rebellion. | ||
| All we have, everything we have over here is actual testimony under oath. | ||
| Actual judicial rulings. | ||
| Actual rulings by judges. | ||
| Actual rulings by Supreme Court. | ||
| I can't finish this. | ||
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I have to go to the finish. | |
| I gotta go to the finish. | ||
| I gotta go to the finish. | ||
| Let Destiny finish. | ||
| We can provide these arguments. | ||
| We can provide the evidence. | ||
| We can provide the testimony. | ||
| And all you do is go, oh, well, I don't trust the courts. | ||
| Oh, well, I don't trust statements made under oath. | ||
| Oh, well, oh, hasn't the FBI done this in the past? | ||
| You can skirt by providing hard evidence. | ||
| I've got to be able to finish. | ||
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One thing. | |
| You can skirt by. | ||
| You said why do you do it? | ||
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I want to respond. | |
| You can skirt by on providing any hard evidence for literally a single claim that you've made today. | ||
| There hasn't been any evidence provided to support any of the claims made today. | ||
| And you are hand brushing away every single other claim that's made. | ||
| Literally tucked by under oath by people that were loyal to Trump, by people that Trump trusted over and over and over again. | ||
| And at the end of the day, like, what could you possibly be advocating for besides an insurrection? | ||
| I can't even finish a thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah, you just said. | ||
| I think it's because when I talk, you get really afraid. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I actually respect. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| You just said. | ||
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I understand. | |
| Okay. | ||
| You just said. | ||
| When I defended Owen, you just said, here you are advocating for insurrection again. | ||
| Exact quote. | ||
| A guy saying, don't go in the Capitol as a reporter, and you don't even stand up for the First Amendment. | ||
| Do you trust the courts? | ||
| I don't think most Americans do. | ||
| That's when you have real revolutions. | ||
| Okay, if you don't trust the real revolution, what are we doing to a real revolution? | ||
| Hey, listen, we're not trying to go there right now. | ||
| We are there right now. | ||
| We just were. | ||
| It's January 6th. | ||
| If there was any time to go there, don't touch me. | ||
| Okay, listen. | ||
| If there is one, where would you? | ||
| If there is one, you're going to lose. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Okay, we'll see. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Where is the— Didn't like four people dying on January 6th for obesity and math? | ||
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I love how much he hates destiny. | |
| If these are the people we have to fight, I think we'll be okay. | ||
| Ashley Babbitt, you're dehumanizing her? | ||
| Was she on meth? | ||
| I don't think she was one of the four that died from meth. | ||
| She died from the gunshot. | ||
| Did she deserve to be shown? | ||
| She was trying to climb into an area where federal agents were saying, if you climb in here, I'm going to shoot you. | ||
| Federal gods? | ||
| Federal gods? | ||
| I'm sorry, do federal agents not have the right to shoot people? | ||
| So you would have pulled the trigger on her. | ||
| You liked that. | ||
| If I was one of the federal agents there and I thought it was appropriate to do so, yeah. | ||
| Their job is to protect the people inside. | ||
| Do I like that? | ||
| No, you guys were the ones cheering on the other side of that. | ||
| You guys were cheering for it the entire time. | ||
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Wait, I want to know, what do we do if we don't trust the courts? | |
| We don't trust the courts, we don't trust the president, we don't trust- Hey, does Julian Assange deserve to be in prison? | ||
| I'm not here to talk about Julian Assange or the rest of your friends, okay? | ||
| Tell me, what do we do if we don't trust- There's a reason he won't answer the question. | ||
| The reason why is because he answered rebellion and insurrection. | ||
| We are going to get back to- I talked about Owen, who was there peacefully and said, don't go in, and he said, you're defending insurrection. | ||
| Everybody's gonna play that quote. | ||
| That's not true! | ||
| Okay, I think, and you know what, I agree. | ||
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I love him just dominating his space. | |
| And doing this, like, freedom interrogation. | ||
| So you're gonna stand up for the First Amendment? | ||
| You like that, huh? | ||
| You like that? | ||
| You would have shot her? | ||
| You're sick. | ||
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What about Julian Assange? | |
| He really is funny. | ||
| You do got to give him credit. | ||
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He is funny. | |
| Like, he is hilarious. | ||
| When he goes... | ||
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Destiny goes, so you don't trust the courts. | |
| I think most Americans don't that's when real revolution So you're in favor of revolution hey, you don't want to go there pal cuz you'll lose like This guy's this guy's a maniac I think claiming that that is a defensive insurrection is different. | ||
| You were defending, maybe, Owen? | ||
| Yes! | ||
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That's so good. | |
| Now, I want to get back to Darren, because there was a question that was... He's a beast. | ||
| We took a tangent. | ||
| And also, Glenn, I think you look like you're about to say something, so if you wanted to speak first... Yeah, Darren, go ahead first, just to close the re-eps thing, but I do want to say something as well about what I've been hearing. | ||
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That was good. | |
| I'm fine. | ||
| What charges do you think he should have gotten? | ||
| Oh, I think he could and should have gotten far more serious charges. | ||
| The first example is the easiest and most readily available obstruction of official proceeding, which is basically the standard charge for people who have done far less egregious things. | ||
| No, but it really isn't, though, because the only people charged with that, I believe, are the people who went into the House chamber. | ||
| No. | ||
| The people that walked through the Capitol did not get charged with that. | ||
| First of all, that's not the case. | ||
| And second of all, that's not an ironclad law. | ||
| That's not an ironclad law pertaining to the application of that charge. | ||
| Secondly, there's a far more serious conspiracy charge that the government had available to them if we use the standards that they've applied in similar January 6th cases. | ||
| It was way worse! | ||
| Way worse than Joe Biggs or Stuart Rhoades. | ||
| I mean he's literally, we're Stuart Rhoades saying invade the Capitol. | ||
| We're Stuart Rhoades attacking people or ramming signs. | ||
| Ray Epps did that. | ||
| Stuart Rhoades literally said that if Trump doesn't impose the Insurrection Act that we need an insurrection and he said storm the Capitol and he went into the Capitol and he hurt police officers. | ||
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Any call for people to... Joe Biggs did. | |
| Joe Biggs went into the Capitol. | ||
| What did Joe Biggs say? | ||
| Either Joe Biggs or Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| Stuart Rhodes did not do that. | ||
| No, one of them. | ||
| I forget which one it was. | ||
| Joe Biggs. | ||
| He said that. | ||
| You don't even know what I'm going to say. | ||
| He deserves a year in jail. | ||
| You don't know what I'm going to say though. | ||
| One of them called for people to defend the White House and shoot to kill the National Guard or any other authorities. | ||
| Let me just answer really quickly. | ||
| Let me say something. | ||
| Mr. Rhodes did say that on air, and I told him he was wrong to his face. | ||
| So I'm going to be honest. | ||
| Before it happened, he did say, if Trump calls us out for a civil war, I was like, dude, I'm not for this on air. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| There's a lot of rhetoric on both sides. | ||
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| You wanted an example of somebody who didn't go into the Capitol who got obstruction from the official proceeding? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thomas Caldwell. | ||
| That's one of many. | ||
| What did he do? | ||
| I'm not familiar. | ||
| I'm going to be honest. | ||
| Stuart Rhodes did say what he just said. | ||
| So I mean, if you put that together with the planning, him and bigs were planning on two different ends. | ||
| One oath keepers, one proof they planned it. | ||
| Well, if you look at the telegram, an undercover reporter, undercover agent recorded the conversation in the garage. | ||
| But have you looked at the telegram messages where they're basically instructing people where to go and where they're at? | ||
| And that saying, hey, we stormed the Capitol. | ||
| We took the Capitol. | ||
| Yeah, there's no doubt there was LARPing without Trump's directives of some people talking about that. | ||
| Wait, why don't we trust their messages, but we do trust Ray Epps bragging to his nephew that he orchestrated it? | ||
| No, I just said they were talking about it. | ||
| We're going to go, yeah, Glenn. | ||
| Let's let Glenn finish this one off because then I have another question for you guys. | ||
| Yeah, the whole thing, like listening to them, honestly it's like listening, I don't mean to be insulting, I'm just saying this, you know, it's what it sounds like, like 7th graders who are in civics class and have this understanding of how the U.S. | ||
| government works, like, oh, the FBI investigate, and they discover crimes, and then they go to the courts, and the courts are very honest, and the courts are apolitical, and the courts make rulings, Everything that has happened in January 6th, and you can even look at the people they picked and choose who to expand the law, the people who ended up getting prosecuted on felony counts, even though they were nonviolent, | ||
| had these incredibly novel interpretations of law that were used against them to turn nonviolent demonstration and nonviolent political had these incredibly novel interpretations of law that were used against them to turn nonviolent demonstration and nonviolent political protest into felony by taking this post-Enron law and giving And the reason so many of them plead guilty is because they know that if they go into court, they're going to have rulings against them because a lot of these judges, especially in Washington, are not only Democratic Party judges, but the entire system is furious to watch people go and put their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk. | ||
| So the entire system decided that this has to be punished regardless of what the law provides. | ||
| You had the FBI with their hooks inside all of these groups. | ||
| But I do understand that if you believe in this story of American propaganda, that the FBI is these upstanding law enforcement people and they don't do that, and then the courts go and make the law enforcement decisions. | ||
| And then you're going to end up with this image of what the three of them have, which is this idea that this was one of the worst attacks in American history, the The courts have ruled everything the government did in this case is consistent with their long-standing view before January 6th, that these groups are criminal groups. | ||
| They need to be criminalized. | ||
| Trump's movement is a threat to the United States, and the entire part of January 6th was designed to define them as an insurrectionary movement so that they could criminalize them, which is exactly what they're doing. | ||
| We don't have the money! | ||
| Owen didn't have the money for a criminal trial. | ||
| 890 convictions are guilty please. | ||
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Two acquittals. | |
| Two. | ||
| 890 to two. | ||
| How many of those were accused of violence? | ||
| Add the money for a criminal trial. | ||
| 890 convictions or guilty pleas. | ||
| Two acquittals. | ||
| Two. | ||
| 890 to two. | ||
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How many of us were accused of violence? | |
| They're not convicted of insurrection. | ||
| I believe 170 or so were for violent acts. | ||
| Illegal tarraining. | ||
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| A tiny number. | ||
| Yeah, and the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court is and they should be. | ||
| They're non-violent. | ||
| Let Glenn talk. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| You understand that usually what happens in the United States with non-violent protesters or even with violent protesters is they don't get charged with anything. | ||
| A tiny percentage of people who use violence throughout all of the Black Lives Matter protests ended up in jail because the ideology in which they were protesting was one that was considered positive and friendly. | ||
| It's not the same, though. | ||
| Let me just back up, Len, briefly, and I'll shut up. | ||
| of Black Lives Matter. | ||
| They didn't prosecute that. | ||
| The Trump movement and the right-wing extremists, as the government calls them, are considered enemies of the state. | ||
| And that was why the entire law enforcement mechanisms were distorted. | ||
| If you want to actually make these- Let me just back up, Glenn, briefly, and I'll shut up. | ||
| I'll take a five-minute break. | ||
| One second. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| It's not the same to compare Black Lives Matter protesters and protesters who entered the Capitol building during the certification of the election. | ||
| Those are not... Democrats have bombed the U.S. | ||
| Capitol. | ||
| Democrats have bombed it. | ||
| They burned down courthouses and burned down police stations. | ||
| And they had within them people who were insurrectionary. | ||
| And they got charged, as they should have. | ||
| They got charged. | ||
| There are plenty of them that were charged. | ||
| There are plenty that were charged. | ||
| Can I just say one thing? | ||
| I'm going to say one thing. | ||
| I'm going to take a break here. | ||
| Yeah, we're actually all going to be taking a short five minute break. | ||
| I'm just going to say this right now. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| We saw billions of dollars of stuff burned down. | ||
| We saw all the killings. | ||
| And we never said all Democrats are involved in that. | ||
| Biden gave a speech yesterday that was Hitlerian, in my view. | ||
| Literally saying everyone in DC was a terrorist. | ||
| How did we get there? | ||
| They're all bad. | ||
| How? | ||
| You can't vote for Trump. | ||
| We're taking him off the ballot. | ||
| America's going into martial law to stop him. | ||
| Our republic is in danger. | ||
| I got the transcript right here. | ||
| Yeah, click the button where he says that. | ||
| Everyone in DC's a terrorist? | ||
| That's a Biden direct quote? | ||
| Is that Hunter Biden or Joe Biden? | ||
| I know you love Hunter, but the point is, this was a hysterical diatribe. | ||
| This is dangerous. | ||
| So Alex, what if instead of the Capitol is the White House and there's thousands of people at the White House fence and they push through the fence, do you think those people deserve more of a criminal penalty than people that were rioting in I don't know, L.A.? | ||
| No, I mean, if it turns out they were under the directive of a foreign power... No, no, it was just a bunch of Americans. | ||
| Do they kill a cop? | ||
| It's the crime they're committing. | ||
| If a bunch of Americans, when Trump was in the White House, stormed the White House fences... With guns. | ||
| With weapons, and made it past... Oh, like Ashley Mabin got shot? | ||
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No, no, made it past the fence... The Trump supporter shot Ashley Mabin, okay. | |
| Made it past the fence, and they were at the doors of the White House. | ||
| Do you think that they would act? | ||
| When Trump asked for the National Guard to stop that, Milley said no. | ||
| Trump didn't ask for the National Guard. | ||
| He didn't ask for the National Guard. | ||
| Milley's on record saying, I threaten to resign if Trump puts troops... That was for January 6th. | ||
| That wasn't January 6th. | ||
| That was weeks before. | ||
| You just said about the White House. | ||
| Yeah, but nobody... See, I'm giving you specifics. | ||
| Nobody was actually... I'm giving you specifics. | ||
| Did anybody cross police barricades into the White House? | ||
| You know what I saw was the police, after a little bit of a fight, opened the doors and waved people in, and a bunch of... They didn't wave people in. | ||
| Oh my God, everybody. | ||
| There's no hundreds of clips of people waving people through the door. | ||
| What I saw were people breaking the windows, climbing through broken windows, unlocking multiple doors, and letting other people in. | ||
| Once in, police were forced to basically de-escalate the situation and make sure that the Congress people were protected. | ||
| At that point, they were outnumbered 10 to 1, the Capitol Police, to the rioters. | ||
| At that point, The Wall Street Journal said I was cowardly on top of a car, commanding people to invade. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| You weren't in the Capitol, and I give you credit for that. | ||
| You knew when to turn around. | ||
| The Wall Street Journal said I was cowardly on top of a car commanding people to invade. | ||
| But thank God Jack Posobiec, because I didn't have a Twitter then, Put the video out of me saying don't go in. | ||
| I got through in the middle of it. | ||
| I'm glad you didn't. | ||
| And you made the right decision. | ||
| When you're there with 300,000 people, it's a million in town, and they don't even know what's happening in front of them. | ||
| They're being guided in. | ||
| A lot of those innocent people that just walked to the Capitol have been sent to prison. | ||
| I don't know about you guys, I don't want to do that. | ||
| - We're not gonna be taking a break, you might be. | ||
| But I wanna ask you guys, talking about these people in prison, these prison sentences. | ||
| So we're gonna, I wanna talk to you briefly about if you think these prison sentences that some of these people are getting are justified or not. | ||
| And then we're gonna be taking questions from the audience from Zero Hedge Premium. | ||
| So if you haven't signed up at Zero Hedge. - No, no, no, no. | ||
| I don't know about you guys, I don't wanna do that. | ||
| One's in the chat if you wanna see me react to the questions that they'll, I can't believe this is still going on. | ||
| I started streaming at 8 o'clock. | ||
| We've been doing this for 3 hours. | ||
| It feels like we've been doing it for 50 hours. | ||
| One's in the chat if you want to see me do the questions, two if you don't. | ||
| I don't want to. | ||
| I just don't even want to. | ||
| Straight up. | ||
| I just don't even want to. | ||
| We'll get a question before we wrap. | ||
| Straight up. | ||
| What do you guys think? | ||
| I mean, let me start with you, Darren, because I haven't heard from you. | ||
| By the way, I don't want to wrap. | ||
| I mean, I say take a break. | ||
| A lot of people are tuning in now. | ||
| I'll keep having this debate all day long. | ||
| Yeah, we might keep going. | ||
| But what do you think about the prison sentences in general that these people have been getting? | ||
| I think they're completely overblown and they're, you know, it's consistent with what we're talking about. | ||
| This amplification of January 6th into this false domestic terrorist act. | ||
| And, you know, the stakes. | ||
| What are the stakes involved? | ||
| The reason it's being amplified in this fashion is to justify the further weaponization of the national security apparatus against Trump supporters and to suppress the energies associated with Trump's movement. | ||
| Therefore, you have these crazy sentencing. | ||
| I think they're all crazy. | ||
| Even those top sentences for the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, 20 years, 18 years. | ||
| It's simply insane when you think about, you know, again, all of it has to be comparative. | ||
| Are people guilty of murder who get less prison time? | ||
| And the self-described, self-professed posture of the DOJ in the immediate aftermath of January 6 is one of shock and awe, which ominously, but kind of unwittingly accurately, Um, recalls the Iraq war and the war on terror. | ||
| This is, this is not an accident. | ||
| It's very fitting that the Department of Homeland Security is the tip of the spear when it comes to this repurposing of the national security apparatus. | ||
| It was the Department of Homeland Security that said white supremacy is the number one national security threat and by white supremacy they mean Trump. | ||
| All of these people have also said January 6th was a white supremacist Insurrection. | ||
| Hillary Clinton has said that MAGA is a white supremacist slogan. | ||
| So that helps to contextualize and clarify what they mean when they say white supremacy is the number one national security threat. | ||
| And so basically these people, even the people who committed illegal acts, Are in effect political prisoners because of the political context of these prosecutions, which are vastly overblown and could only make sense within this political context of the weaponization, not only of the national security state, but unfortunately now also the legal apparatus. | ||
| Let's go on the line with Glenn again and then all you guys, but I just want to say something. | ||
| This is important, folks. | ||
| In June of 2021, Biden put out a national security memorandum, which you just mentioned, saying Right-wing extremism is the number one threat. | ||
| Then he defined that as white supremism and then said, questioning open borders, questioning elections, questioning lockdowns, questioning four shots. | ||
| That's in the report. | ||
| I've shown it hundreds of times on air. | ||
| Literally declaring the people an enemy. | ||
| Then he gives a speech with this red background with Marines. | ||
| I thought I was watching Adolf Hitler. | ||
| And then yesterday he gives a speech saying, they're taking over, they're a danger, we're at war, all off a riot at the Capitol. | ||
| At best, it's a riot, and obviously provocateur. | ||
| So this is a branding of 80 million voters plus as a political enemy. | ||
| This is extremely totalitarian, extremely dangerous. | ||
| And I was there. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You're in a crowd of hundreds of thousands. | ||
| Your tear gas is coming down. | ||
| You can't even see what's happening at the Capitol. | ||
| You're saying, don't go in there. | ||
| We've got a stage. | ||
| I go there. | ||
| There's a stage. | ||
| No one there. | ||
| I mean, we were set up. | ||
| And I was set up, and thank God that I waited 30, 40 minutes. | ||
| I didn't know what to do. | ||
| I was like, this is weird. | ||
| How do I lead a crowd that's already left? | ||
| I was there. | ||
| And so all I'm saying is this is not the basis to indict populist Americans and say they're terrorists. | ||
| And if the U.S. | ||
| government spent the equivalent of $10 trillion. | ||
| They spent a trillion in Afghanistan of real current numbers. | ||
| But the estimates now are $10 trillion in current dollars in Vietnam. | ||
| And the Vietnamese wouldn't give up. | ||
| So Swallowswell says, we'll use F-16s, we'll just kill Americans, we'll take your guns. | ||
| F-16s don't take guns, folks. | ||
| I don't want a civil war. | ||
| I don't want violence. | ||
| But the entire deep state couldn't defeat the Vietnamese. | ||
| And now they want a war with the American people while they have one with Russia and while they have one with with China. | ||
| This is madness. | ||
| It needs to stop. | ||
| I don't want a war with Democrats. | ||
| I don't want civil war. | ||
| I don't have some dream of this, but this is the election strategy of Joe Biden is civil war. | ||
| Glenn, did you want to say something? | ||
| Yeah, I just, I think this is really the nub of everything. | ||
| Like I really do think that the three of them actually believe what they're saying. | ||
| I'm I'm not like actually realizing this. | ||
| And the reason they believe it is because they don't know the history of the war on terror. | ||
| They don't know the history of the Cold War. | ||
| They don't know what the CIA and the FBI and the U.S. | ||
| security state have been constructed to do and the role that they played in our domestic politics. | ||
| Every single time that there's some new crisis, the CIA, the FBI, the permanent power faction in Washington, and it's not like some crazy conspiracy theory Dwight Eisenhower warned a bit on his way out of the presidency in 1961 when he called it the military-industrial complex because he had seen how it was growing beyond all democratic accountability. | ||
| Every time what they need to do is convince somebody to be scared of something, to be scared of communism, to be scared of terrorism, to be scared of domestic terrorism, and they convince people that some minor event, relatively speaking, in the history of the threats to our country, like the 9-11 attack, which is a terrible thing, but they exaggerated wildly the threat of foreign terrorism to basically institute the Patriot Act and warrantless eavesdropping, and all of the things that turned our country more authoritarian, they were announcing that before 9-11. | ||
| They used 9-11 to do it. | ||
| They were announcing before January 6th that they wanted to turn right-wing extremists into domestic terrorists. | ||
| And they used January 6th and this extremely inflated narrative about what it was. | ||
| It was a riot of out-of-control people, a few hundred of them, that they turned into an insurrection, that they're now weaponizing the justice system. | ||
| And they're creating a precedent, I hope you guys understand this, where they're now taking a non-violent protest. | ||
| Remember, most of the people charged on January 6th are charged with non-violent protests, and they've made it now so that they can charge those people with felonies and put them in prison for years. | ||
| That was the Q Shaman, four years in prison for a non-violent protest. | ||
| That's the precedent that you're endorsing with this narrative. | ||
| So Jacob Chansley got four years, but he served, I think, a year and a half. | ||
| But I do want to go back. | ||
| So Stuart Rose- Stuart Rose- They're non-violent crimes. | ||
| Biggs, Stuart Rose, and Enrique Torrio, they were sentenced to some of the harshest sentences out of all the January 6ers. | ||
| Who was the judge? | ||
| It was a Trump-appointed judge, Timothy Kelly. | ||
| Now, if you look at the worst convictions, the ones that received the largest sentences, 80% of them were actually under the sentencing guidelines. | ||
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| These people didn't receive sentences that were any more harsh than anybody else in other crimes. | ||
| And these were people sentenced From a Trump judge. | ||
| A Trump-appointed judge. | ||
| So, you're all saying that, oh, the courts are rigged against conservatives or Trump supporters. | ||
| But these are Trump judges. | ||
| Many of these were Trump judges that actually charged these, not charged these people, but sentenced these people. | ||
| I think that if we want to talk about knowing history and understanding history and contextualizing history, I think if we want to run with that argument, then we need to do real journalist work while we do it. | ||
| It's not enough to say the FBI or the CIA has done this 10, 20 years ago and then blindly assert it every single time it happens to fit whatever political narrative you want to tell. | ||
| If you want to tell a story, the person telling the story needs to find evidence to support it. | ||
| Sure, if you want to say the FBI or the CIA or any other domestic agency has been involved in spying on Americans or doing bad things, that's fine. | ||
| We all know that it's happened. | ||
| That doesn't mean that you don't have to find evidence in the future of it happening. | ||
| And so far, there was no evidence of it happening on January 6th. | ||
| As many times you want to throw around the follow politics before 2016 or whatever. | ||
| Well, we're in 2024 right now. | ||
| Find some information from today or find some information from January 6th to today. | ||
| It's not enough to just keep appealing to the past and pretend like that's going to do your homework for you and that somehow you can make all of these accusations without having any real evidence. | ||
| As far as this claim of like there are novel uses of charges or people don't do charges like this, as we said over here, like most of the sentences have been within sentencing guidelines. | ||
| A lot of these have been done with a Trump-appointed judge. | ||
| The idea that these charges are novel, that people don't face prosecution like this, there's some element of truth to that, but this is also a novel situation. | ||
| We have never had a president in the United States try to resist the peaceful transfer of power like this. | ||
| This has just never happened before. | ||
| And you can keep screaming about Hillary Clinton and you can keep screaming about BLM all you want and talk about the blown up fire stations and the congressional halls. | ||
| The reality is that none of those situations were like this one. | ||
| If you want to keep appealing to those and saying those people should have been charged with crimes, we agree they should have been charged with crimes. | ||
| But to even do the whataboutism, you have to already concede that you are wrong on all of the merits about the current people you're talking about. | ||
| Every single time we talk about Donald Trump, you go, well, what about when Hillary Clinton or Biden did it? | ||
| Oh, OK, then you admit that Trump did? | ||
| Because if you want to admit that Trump is guilty of every single thing that we've been accusing him of, which is what you're doing when you go, what about the other guy? | ||
| Because it seems like you're just trying to appeal to hypocrisy at that point, rather than the fact of the matter. | ||
| Then do that. | ||
| Say, yeah, Trump did try to cite an insurrection. | ||
| Yeah, Trump did fail. | ||
| Yeah, it was a riot. | ||
| I don't know why you keep saying it. | ||
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| No, don't ask me this. | ||
| Let me finish my one point one time without being interrupted by you. | ||
| I do not begin running back because you heard me talking. | ||
| You had to interrupt me. | ||
| I know you came running back and you were so excited for it. | ||
| I don't understand this rhetoric of mostly peaceful riot. | ||
| Yeah, it was mostly peaceful. | ||
| A lot of riots that have right aspects to have a lot of peaceful people there and a 10,000. | ||
| It's not always 10,000 people writing. | ||
| It might just be 100 people writing or 1000 people writing. | ||
| The reality was they were all there was one event on January six of the Capitol building. | ||
| That event was a riot. | ||
| Okay, so let me let me just add some context here. | ||
| Well, they had three trials in Michigan and one of them. | ||
| It was a mistrial. | ||
| They let most of them off another. | ||
| They finally got a few convicted. | ||
| It came out in court. | ||
| That the Feds went and found a bunch of basically homeless potheads, and just like Glenn was saying in the New York Times article, but they were more accurate, 97% of Islamic plots were hatched by the FBI, including the first World Trade Center bombing, and they admit all that. | ||
| And I've interviewed the people involved, Ahmad Salam, all of them, that knew they were going to do the bombing. | ||
| He came and said, why have I cooked a real bomb? | ||
| And they let it go forward. | ||
| With Whitmer, the same team involved in January 6th from the FBI went and set these people up and that came out in the mainstream news. | ||
| So we know they, this isn't, you guys were saying, we don't want to go back to 10 years ago. | ||
| You know, I've sat there for six, seven minutes, you know, out there smoking a cigarette while you're just going on and on, acting like you're being censored. | ||
| You're like, there's no example recently of them doing something corrupt or bad. | ||
| I never said that. | ||
| It's a great example, Alex. | ||
| If I can ask you details of that. | ||
| I said, find J6 evidence. | ||
| He said, you can use J6 evidence. | ||
| No, Destiny, this is a great point. | ||
| This is a great point that Alex is making. | ||
| You don't need to go back to the original war on terror. | ||
| You don't need to go back to the ample antecedents that exist going way back into our nation's history. | ||
| Just go back to the mission case. | ||
| The parallels to January 6th are striking. | ||
| Almost half of the so-called plotters turned out to be either informants or federal agents. | ||
| One of those federal agents had to recuse himself from the trial because he beat his wife on the way home from a swingers party. | ||
| The second one had to recuse himself because he was moonlighting in his private security firm and leaking details of investigations in which he was involved. | ||
| But in every single, it wasn't just that there were informants. | ||
| Every active step instrumental to this so-called plot was undertaken by one of the informants or one of the agents. | ||
| One of the informants, as I mentioned him, Steve Robeson, in the context of does the government ever burn its own informants? | ||
| Almost all the time. | ||
| How many of the BLM riots were instigated by FBI? | ||
| What? | ||
| How many of the BLM riots were instigated by our own intelligence agencies? | ||
| Well, they had agents in there. | ||
| In fact, one of the guys, Sullivan, one of the guys, Jake Sullivan, he had a very complicated relationship. | ||
| Antifa basically excluded him because of his relationship with the government, and they thought he was a Fed. | ||
| Absolutely, the Feds infiltrate BLM. | ||
| Why is it that you got excluded because of his relationship with the government? | ||
| He got excluded because that guy was insane. | ||
| Because he was screaming at people to do all sorts of violent stuff constantly. | ||
| Nobody wanted to be around. | ||
| At some point, he was on video in the Capitol saying, I told you we were going to stage it. | ||
| I told you it was going to happen. | ||
| Again, for Sullivan, there's no evidence that Sullivan communicated. | ||
| Why is it that when BLM, BLM pro-sip rioters, I guess you could say, aren't arrested as much as you want? | ||
| Like, you know, you say the January Sixers were arrested at a much higher rate than the rioters. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How come you don't say that? | ||
| And much more property damage as a result of BLM. | ||
| So here's the thing, though. | ||
| Why don't you accuse those who aren't prosecuted for those riots of being federal agents? | ||
| Well, in some cases, they probably are. | ||
| But at that scale, it's hard to... Maybe they just have more there. | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| If you want to go conspiracy theory, I mean, let's touch all the bases. | ||
| But, I mean, Michigan is on record. | ||
| Can I interject? | ||
| First, the idea, again, that for the FBI to be infiltrating these groups is a conspiracy theory, again, requires an understanding of the FBI that's childlike. | ||
| And what Destiny was saying before is, oh, we're just using what they've done in the past and therefore concluding they must be doing that in the future. | ||
| He just ignored all the evidence we've been presenting for the last two hours, including the fact that the FBI, by their own admission, had informants in all three of the leading groups that organized January 6th and were talking to informants on the ground at Who is the head of the FBI? | ||
| As far as the January 6th defendants are concerned, it is true that they're getting sentences similar to what people get when they're charged with felonies. | ||
| The point is that it is insane that non-violent protesters are being charged with felonies in the United States. | ||
| That is what never happens. | ||
| And pointing to Black Lives Matter is not to say Oh yeah, that's whataboutism, so we're admitting that this was an insurrection and that is true. | ||
| The point is that what the government is doing, if you look at the disparate treatment between the two, is picking and choosing which movement they like ideologically and politically and which they don't, and punishing much more severely the one that they don't, which is what January 6th is about. | ||
| Going into the Capitol building, going into the Capitol building with weapons saying, hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence. | ||
| No, that's not a violent crime, but are you saying that that doesn't warrant a felony conviction? | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
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People are actually calling for the hanging of the Vice President of America. | |
| I'm gonna be honest. | ||
| I'm gonna be honest. | ||
| No, no, Alex, hold on one second. | ||
| The majority of people who were charged with felonies in January 6th are non-violent offenders. | ||
| What did they do, Glenn? | ||
| What did they do? | ||
| They created an interpretation of the law that was enacted after Enron that was designed to criminalize accountants from obstructing fraud at the corporate level. | ||
| What did they do? | ||
| Every single... The meaning of it is to mean that if it's a non-violent protest, any non-violent protest now at the Capitol, you'll be charged with a felony. | ||
| You understand that? | ||
| You're glossing over the facts. | ||
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You're glossing over the facts, Glenn. | |
| People get six-month sentences. | ||
| People get six-month sentences for going in the damn thing, being waved at by police. | ||
| No, but here's the facts. | ||
| The people who got the felonies were either violent, they were taking part in a conspiracy, or they went into the House chamber. | ||
| Those are the people who got it. | ||
| The people who walked into the Capitol building- That's not true. | ||
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It is true. | |
| No, it's not. | ||
| Look it up. | ||
| It absolutely is true. | ||
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Google it. | |
| I just gave you a specific example earlier. | ||
| So, conspiracy? | ||
| Conspiracy? | ||
| Give me an example. | ||
| What did he do? | ||
| Thomas Caldwell. | ||
| What did he do? | ||
| He was not violent, and he did not go into the Capitol. | ||
| What did he do? | ||
| What was his conviction? | ||
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Let's talk about Thomas Caldwell for a minute. | |
| To Glenn's point, keep in mind that when you're saying that BLM wasn't treated the same because of the government, you're not just alleging the federal government at that point, you're alleging every single state government and city municipality that's in charge of arresting people are all on the same page. | ||
| Almost all of us in D.C. | ||
| Wait, the feds are in charge of prosecuting everybody in every state? | ||
| Thomas Caldwell was part of the seditious conspiracy. | ||
| He was part of the conspiracy by the Oath Keepers. | ||
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That's why he got charged with a felony. | |
| When Black Lives Matter happened, every single blue state mayor and every single blue state governor weighed in on the side of the writers because they were petrified of being demonized as being racist if they didn't support everything the Black Lives Matter movement did. | ||
| So yes, the Black Lives Matter movement had corporations. | ||
| is sponsoring them. | ||
| They had Kamala Harris urging and raising money for people to get out of prison who were imprisoned and prosecuted for having engaged in violence as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. | ||
| The entire establishment was on the side of the Black Lives Matter movement. | ||
| The entire establishment hated the January 6th defendants. | ||
| That's the reality of our government that you don't understand. | ||
| The reality of our government that you don't understand. | ||
| No, no, The reality of our government that you don't understand is that police orders don't come down from the federal government or even from the governors. | ||
| Policing is done at the municipal level. | ||
| The idea that governors are dictating... No, it's federal. | ||
| This is all... This is federal. | ||
| No, the BLM rights are not all federally prosecuted. | ||
| These are state crimes that are happening within states. | ||
| Oh, the city's a better bunch of money. | ||
| That are happening within states. | ||
| The idea that the governors themselves are dictating the policing policies to all of these different departments? | ||
| Where is the evidence of any of that? | ||
| One message, one email, one memorandum, one thing saying don't arrest protesters, don't convict them. | ||
| Not a single shred of evidence. | ||
| How much do you love the police state? | ||
| Why do you suddenly love us? | ||
| Just some stories that isn't that weird. | ||
| That's the most you guys have. | ||
| I was against the police state and got arrested by George W. Bush against the Iraq War. | ||
| Why are we forgetting something? | ||
| We're forgetting one thing, and that is that you can commit a crime, you can commit a felony, and it doesn't have to be violent. | ||
| There's plenty of felonies on the books that aren't violent, including breaking into a federal building, breaking through police lines, and going into that federal building. | ||
| I'm asking you this and everybody. | ||
| chamber as congress people are trying to certify an election how is that how is that going over your head glenn let me ask you this i'm asking you this and everybody please answer my question is this as bad as pearl harbor or Or is this as bad as 9-11? | ||
| And all I'm telling you is, is, is this, this Biden announcement that currently, currently, the number one threat is the Trump supporters and Trump must be taken off the ballot. | ||
| You can punt to the Supreme Court, but they're literally trying to preclude Americans for voting for who they want. | ||
| That's the election theft and our face. | ||
| How much longer, dude, how much longer is this? | ||
| It's still live. | ||
| It's still going on. | ||
| We're like hours behind. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| They're taking somebody off the ballot. | ||
| It's no big deal. | ||
| I want to talk about Thomas Caldwell, and Darren, maybe you can answer this. | ||
| Who is he? | ||
| What did he do exactly? | ||
| And what was he charged with? | ||
| This is conspiracy. | ||
| We don't need to get into that. | ||
| How much longer, dude, how much longer is this? | ||
| It's still live. | ||
| It's still going on. | ||
| We're like hours behind. | ||
| It's still going on. | ||
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So extensively, I've been talking about this. | |
| We're like hours behind and it's still alive. | ||
| No, it's a seditious conspiracy. | ||
| That's a felony he was charged with. | ||
| like hours behind and it's still I go into the Capitol who is charged with obstruction of an official procedure seditious conspiracy there was later a superseding indictment that's a felony he was charged with let's see I want to see what they're talking about right now I don't want to lose my spot but I also want to see what the CIA is still going Dude, this is insane. | ||
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We're like two hours behind. | |
| And it's still live. | ||
| ...of the Sinaloa cartel. | ||
| The idea of the New York Times is doing clean-up work for the deep state is insane. | ||
| What Glenn Greenwald was saying is key. | ||
| I remember the New York Times headline. | ||
| They can pull it up in there. | ||
| We're not showing videos or clips. | ||
| It would be too much here. | ||
| Okay, no, they must be replaying it or something. | ||
| They must be doing an encore performance of the debate because we heard that an hour ago. | ||
| The truth, but because. | ||
| Yeah, so they started an encore performance two hours ago. | ||
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Okay. | |
| High energy, fast- I just want to see- Criminal proceeding for Trump. | ||
| They weren't interested in getting to the bottom of the questions. | ||
| Guess any- It looks like we are. | ||
| Okay, so we're nearing the- Biden's entire campaign is January 6th. | ||
| Not inflation, not war with Russia, not open borders. | ||
| I mean, give me a break, man. | ||
| We had a million plus people there. | ||
| A few hundred got in fights with the cops, and you act like it's the biggest thing since It's a pretty big deal when a president tries to overturn a legitimate election. | ||
| That's a really big deal. | ||
| You had all your investigations and you lost every single one. | ||
| When you lose in court, you go to the next day. | ||
| Remember in 2016 when all the conservatives said, well you know what, if we would have lost the election, you know what we would have done the next day? | ||
| We would have went to work. | ||
| Well here you are four years later still crying about the outcome of the election. | ||
| So if Biden's going to win by a landslide, why are the Democrats not wanting him on the ballot? | ||
| I'm putting my heart into the Supreme Court to decide. | ||
| Can I just say what my dream is? | ||
| My dream is that Ed and Brian and Destiny have to actually live through a real coup so that they can then come back to the set and be like, oh my God, you know what? | ||
| I'm so sorry for saying that what happened in the Capitol for three hours against the most militarized and powerful government to ever exist in human history got anywhere near a coup or an insurrection. | ||
| A coup or an insurrection. | ||
| Let me say this and I'll shut up. | ||
| I will leave for 10 minutes. | ||
| I will leave. | ||
| Let me ask this one question to Glenn. | ||
| I want you all to answer this. | ||
| Humor me. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Because Glenn is a really great writer. | ||
| I really respect him. | ||
| I've followed him for decades. | ||
| Can everyone describe a coup to me? | ||
| Because usually it's helicopters taking over media, killing the opposition, troops. | ||
| And then you're claiming women with American flags and being waved in by police as a coup. | ||
| So define to me, all of you first, and then Glenn, and then the professor, what is a coup? | ||
| Since this was the most devastating evil coup ever, explain to me. | ||
| A coup is when you enact a scheme to try to circumvent the peaceful transfer of power. | ||
| Like Ratzakou. | ||
| No, they didn't take any action. | ||
| They tried to remove him on a line. | ||
| There's nothing illegal done there to try and remove Trump. | ||
| The intelligence agencies censoring fake dossiers? | ||
| Oh, that was illegal? | ||
| Saying his election wasn't legitimate? | ||
| Did they try to remove him? | ||
| They took it to Congress. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| You admit then that Trump tried a coup and you think Russiagate was also a coup then? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I don't agree Trump had a coup. | ||
| I'm asking you... I'm asking you... Do you know about Pinochet? | ||
| Do you know about Hitler? | ||
| Do you know about... Do you know about the... What is a coup? | ||
| You're the smart guy. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Define me a coup. | ||
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No, no. | |
| Let's start with Glenn Greenwald. | ||
| Glenn, you're a well-respected journalist. | ||
| You look at coups around the world. | ||
| that Trump did something wrong. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Focus on Trump. | ||
| Define me a coup. | ||
| I just did. | ||
| Did you not listen to it? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Glenn Greenwald. | ||
| Glenn, you're a well-respected journalist. | ||
| You look at coups around the world. | ||
| What do they usually look like? | ||
| I know. | ||
| No, Destiny is now the incredible giant of journalism and the constitutional scholar I used to be, as Destiny said. | ||
| But anyway, a coup is generally when people in power or people who are trying to get into power marshal the force of the armed factions of that country and use it to eliminate the legal process and take over. | ||
| So for example, if Trump had called in the military on his side on January 6th, or he had gotten the military to block people from trying to remove him from office on January 20th, that is always what we say is a coup. | ||
| Nothing that looks like what happened on January 6th. | ||
| The other thing I just want to correct, Destiny- Couldn't we have said that like two hours ago? | ||
| Why didn't they say that at the beginning? | ||
| Like that- Seems to have this like debate me sort of thing point that he thinks he keeps making that's so smart which is when you say- Why does he waste so much time on catty comments? | ||
| There must be something better for him to say. | ||
| Cause he's gay and we love it and he's eating you up right now you little faggot. | ||
| Because he's gay and he's eating you up. | ||
| But he's our gay. | ||
| But he's our gay and he's fucking eating you the fuck up. | ||
| But he's our gay. | ||
| But he's our gay, and he's fucking eating you the fuck up, you little bitch. | ||
| Let Glenn finish this thought, and then we're moving to our audience questions. | ||
| I've done this little debate tactic like eight times. | ||
| I've listened to it for two hours. | ||
| So if you say this person did this and it's wrong, and then someone else says, what about this person, this politician you love? | ||
| He did the same thing. | ||
| Destiny says, oh, you're admitting that both of them did something wrong. | ||
| No. | ||
| One of the reasons why you say things like the Black Lives Matter... | ||
| protest was never considered an insurrection is not to say that January 6th was also an insurrection and therefore you should treat the Black Lives Matter one like an insurrection. | ||
| The point is to say the Black Lives Matter wasn't treated like an insurrection because people like Ed and Destiny and Brian love the Black Lives Matter movement because it's unaligned with their ideology. | ||
| These are liberals who hate the Trump movement politically and therefore want to criminalize it. | ||
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But pointing to other examples- I'm against all rioting, just to be clear. | |
| Isn't it admitting that the one that you start with is wrong? | ||
| You're just trying to show that you're not applying consistent principles when your ideology is- No, that's not true. | ||
| If that was the case, then when you're accused of defending a coup, then you argue why it's not a coup. | ||
| That's how the argument works. | ||
| If somebody says, I think that Trump engaged in a coup- One of the ways that you show that it's not a coup is by saying that the things that you like that are done that are far more insurrectionary are things you won't call an insurrection because those No, Glenn, I'm sorry. | ||
| No, Glenn, that's called an appeal to hypocrisy. | ||
| The way that you argue against something being a coup... Why has Trump not been charged with it? | ||
| Why have they not charged Trump with insurrection? | ||
| You just say he... Jack Smith already said why. | ||
| Go read some of his documents if you haven't already. | ||
| It's like the lady secretary of state. | ||
| She says he's guilty. | ||
| If you don't think it's a coup, then we agree on what the definition of a coup is. | ||
| If we don't agree on the definition of a coup, which you said it requires military presence, I don't know... | ||
| Alright, well, it's not going to get resolved tonight, although we have tried to resolve it. | ||
| Why don't we shut this down? | ||
| I'll go as well. | ||
| We're not shutting down, we're just moving to the next phase of the organization, which is... Well, let Destiny and Glenn finish his point. | ||
| Actually, we'll go to comments. | ||
| If you want to shut it down, that's fine. | ||
| I do want to shut it down, I want to move on. | ||
| I've actually been instructed to move on, so that's what we're doing. | ||
| By who? | ||
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By who? | |
| By the producers of the show. | ||
| Let's move on. | ||
| ZeroHedge.com. | ||
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He got the call. | |
| I mean, we can, if you guys want to, go in circles. | ||
| Terrible moderator, by the way. | ||
| He was just not even there the entire time. | ||
| He didn't ask any questions. | ||
| It wasn't structured. | ||
| No closing statements, and at the end he goes, alright, we're shutting it down. | ||
| Dude, this whole thing's a mess. | ||
| Whole thing sucks. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And they have a budget, man! | ||
| Imagine if me, imagine if me had that kind of money. | ||
| Imagine if I had a studio like that and it was sponsored by Zero Hedge and we flew in all these people. | ||
| It would be the shit. | ||
| How is it this bad? | ||
| InfoWars is like a 50 million dollar a year organization and it's being sponsored by somebody else. | ||
| How is it this fucked up? | ||
| And yell over each other for another 10 minutes? | ||
| I don't want to do it. | ||
| I want to go to these comments. | ||
| I bet there was a 6'3 marine, ex-marine, that told you to shut up. | ||
| Thanks, dude. | ||
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Thanks, dude. | |
| Shut it down. | ||
| No, but I mean, listen, listen. | ||
| This is the heart of it. | ||
| Coups are militaries seizing the telecommunications and the government institutions and killing their opposition. | ||
| You could do lots of different things. | ||
| Trump was going to do that. | ||
| I mean, a federal judge said it was a coup. | ||
| Trump did not do that. | ||
| A bunch of fucking people being led into the Capitol is not a freaking coup, man. | ||
| A federal judge said otherwise. | ||
| But let's go on. | ||
| These are from ZeroHedge.com from some of the premium users of the website have sent in some of the questions. | ||
| This one's actually a question for what they call the Blue Team, which right now is going to be the three of you guys, Ed, Brian, and Steven. | ||
| The question is, the New York Times acknowledged that there were FBI informants in the Capitol on January 6th, and then they give a link to the New York Times article. | ||
| Given the agency's history of entrapment, is it a stretch that some agents may have provoked the riot? | ||
| And then there's a follow-up question. | ||
| Why was law enforcement so ill-prepared for the insurrection, in quotes, despite the presence of informants? | ||
| So the first question, first part of the question is, is it a stretch that some agents may have provoked the riot? | ||
| So, so informants are something the FBI... I don't, do we, do we really need to watch the Q&A? | ||
| I think I'm good. | ||
| I think I don't really need any more of this. | ||
| I don't need any more of this in my life. | ||
| Let's just fast forward to the end. | ||
| It's on record. | ||
| And then you just admitted it! | ||
| Gotcha! | ||
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Gotcha! | |
| Guys, guys, okay. | ||
| So here's the thing. | ||
| 340 people were authorized to be there, but in order to actually call them to the hearing themselves, it was an extraordinary process. | ||
| When you read the job... From an hour ago. | ||
| Yes, that's correct. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Authorization. | ||
| As they were having conversations prior to establishing security, I think they took a lot of extraordinary bureaucratic measures to make it so that I think that day, if the National Guard was going to be deployed, it either had to be, I think, Miller or Walker. | ||
| I think one of those two had to be the direct authorization. | ||
| Let me respond briefly. | ||
| Which is not... We have you one hour ago saying Trump never called for National Guard, and you just said they refused it. | ||
| I got your ass! | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| You got me. | ||
| So, when the National Guard was deployed, the only area that they were allowed to do- Yeah, oh my god, they blocked it! | ||
| Yep, yes, that's right. | ||
| The Pentagon blocked Trump, you just admitted Trump wanted it and didn't get it. | ||
| Yep, you got me. | ||
| I got your ass! | ||
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They only deployed 340 people, and they're- Because you left the court from an hour ago, you said it wasn't true. | |
| Yep, that's right, you got me. | ||
| Got him! | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Got him, you want to do this like- The scope of the mission, the scope of the mis- You know, Pete- Rhetorically, this is why Ashley Babbitt got shot. | ||
| You realize that, right? | ||
| I'm gonna get shot? | ||
| No, people like Ashley Babbitt died because of people like you driving people onto this, right? | ||
| It might be funny for you. | ||
| I don't know if it's funny for them. | ||
| I murdered Ashley Babbitt? | ||
| You're more or less responsible with this kind of talk, yes. | ||
| Oh my god, I murdered... Yes! | ||
| Play in a factual world. | ||
| You love the operator. | ||
| No, you said an hour ago... You said an hour ago that Trump never asked for a National Guard. | ||
| I can show 50 articles that's on record. | ||
| You just admitted it! | ||
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Gotcha! | |
| Gotcha! | ||
| Guys, guys. | ||
| So here's the thing. | ||
| 340 people were authorized to be there, but an order actually called them. | ||
| It was an extraordinary process. | ||
| When you read the J6 committee in the Situation Room and Sund and everybody else complaining, where's the National Guard? | ||
| Where's the National Guard? | ||
| There was a whole bunch of stupid bureaucratic red tape and optics concerns that people had to cut through to get them there. | ||
| So you're claiming that this is staged? | ||
| story in like the 15 to 20 people one hour ago he said he said number one national guard now now trump wanted it but he didn't get it for a good reason so you're claiming that this is staged you're claiming the fbi was behind it in 2019 you said gulf of tonkin Huh? | ||
| No, let- You specifically said- Out of a larger context- Said a larger context- No, no, that's- Things that are children kill. | ||
| Because the media lies to me, right? | ||
| In court. | ||
| All these horrible things. | ||
| Jones is in Waking Life. | ||
| Game you're playing. | ||
| That I don't mean when I say- No, no, no! | ||
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Way up said I orchestrated- Whoops. | |
| Conspiracy theory. | ||
| I wasn't the platform for- That's it! | ||
| That's it! | ||
| We're done with this fucking conversation! | ||
| We're moving on to the user questions. | ||
| As told. | ||
| Glenn, you had something to say? | ||
| After examining it for a year, you found that it was fake. | ||
| Alright, you know what? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it! | ||
| We're done with this fucking conversation! | ||
| We're moving on to the user questions. | ||
| As told. | ||
| Glenn, you had something to say? | ||
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He's like Benson from regular show. | |
| He sounded like Benson from regular show. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Who asked for this? | ||
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This is the debate that nobody wanted. | |
| That nobody asked for. | ||
| What if we had a debate with Alex Jones drunk, screaming like a banshee, the Krasenstein brothers, whoever they are, Darren Beatty, Glenn Greenwald by Skype, Destiny, and this and Ian whatever moderating. | ||
| Who asked for this? | ||
| On the third anniversary of January 6th about whether it was an insurrection. | ||
| Dude, this guy is insane. | ||
| This guy is mentally ill. | ||
| That's just what drugs does to you. | ||
| He goes on the Tim Pool Show and he's like, oh, I'm just like chill man, whatever. | ||
| This is a deranged lunatic. | ||
| You are a lunatic. | ||
| You need to be in prison. | ||
| This guy should be tortured by the CIA. | ||
| This guy made me in favor of the government. | ||
| If this is the resistance, then I am a fucking NATO Nazi. | ||
| If all these guys are anti-war, anti-FBI, I am with, and you know, NATO is Hitler and Biden's Hitler. | ||
| I am with Biden. | ||
| I am with NATO. | ||
| As long as we can put this guy in jail and psychologically torture him, all the things that he's afraid of when he talks about like, you know, CIA mind control, we need to do it to this guy. | ||
| This guy should be captured by the NSA and put at Guantanamo and fed LSD and fucking tortured. | ||
| Because this guy's insane. | ||
| I'm kidding, of course. | ||
| That's a joke. | ||
| Obviously, I'm kidding. | ||
| I'm okay with this guy. | ||
| He's fine. | ||
| That's all jokes, but he makes me want to be on that side. | ||
| He makes me want to be on the side of Halliburton and Nixon. | ||
| This guy's like a hippie. | ||
| This is what created, like, the counter-revolution, the reaction. | ||
| This guy makes you want to go full Nixon, full Haldeman, Halliburton, like, Agent Orange, Kissinger, lock this fucking hippie up, shave his hair, ship them to Vietnam. | ||
| This guy's gotta go. | ||
| Kidding, of course. | ||
| It's all a joke. | ||
| But, what a- This guy's a maniac. | ||
| I wanna rewind and watch that last part. | ||
| That was so out of pocket. | ||
| This guy's a lunatic. | ||
| That's like the least normal response I've ever seen. | ||
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You're the moderator, just say, hey, debate's over. | |
| Or I don't know, something professional? | ||
| He's like getting up and screaming like a maniac. | ||
| Alright, you know what? | ||
| That's it, that's it, that's it, that's it! | ||
| We're done with this fucking conversation! | ||
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Look at, like, that's so unnecessary. | |
| In his gym shoes and this whole get-up. | ||
| What the f... I barely ever talked about it. | ||
| It wasn't even on our radar. | ||
| But you said it was fake. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| If I'm on the airport... You said after examining it for a year, you found that it was fake. | ||
| Alright, you know what? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it! | ||
| We're done with this fucking conversation. | ||
| We're moving on to the user questions. | ||
| As told. | ||
| Glenn, you had something to say? | ||
| Glenn, please. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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First of all, I want to say that we are at... Look at this guy, dude. | |
| This guy is a maniac. | ||
| This guy's a girl. | ||
| This guy's a woman. | ||
| Somebody slap this bitch. | ||
| Can Alex Jones slap this bitch? | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| I don't have time here because it's been three hours, but I did just want to say I do think that attack on Alex is a bullshit attack. | ||
| We are here because we want to talk about January 6th. | ||
| We want to talk about whether this is an insurrection. | ||
| We're talking about something! | ||
| And to try and make it about Alex when there are six people here presenting all kinds of evidence that you're not equipped to deal with, I think it's just a pathetic way to try and end this debate. | ||
| And the last thing I want to say is it's really given like a kind of amazingly vivid mindset into the minds of Trump-era liberals who have really come to see The US security state and the courts and prosecutors as their political allies in their war that they're waging against people who disagree with them. | ||
| And they have this like very romanticized view of what the FBI is, what the DOJ is, how the court systems work, how the federal government works. | ||
| And all of this reveals this so well because what's happening here is so manifest, which is that all of these agencies are being abused because the Trump movement is considered the gravest threat to establishment power in this country, which is why the bipartisan establishment is against it. | ||
| To try and make this about Alex and Sandy Hook is a really pathetic way to end the debate. | ||
| I think you guys have done a good job defending your views. | ||
| I think you should leave it at that. | ||
| And we definitely have to go because it's been three hours. | ||
| Well, we're not done. | ||
| We're going to keep talking with some questions. | ||
| Can I answer the user's question? | ||
| Yeah, I would love to, but give me one second. | ||
| The only reason I scream is because I don't have a mute button for the people right now. | ||
| I would prefer not to have to use my voice. | ||
| I think you did a great job being here. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| He did a terrible job! | ||
| We'll stay. | ||
| Glenn, give us a three minute closing comment. | ||
| All I'm trying to say is I didn't launch any wars. | ||
| I didn't lie about WMDs, and to bring that in is... There was a point to it, though. | ||
| His point was just that if you were lying about that, or if you had psychosis about that, how do we know that that's not coming back? | ||
| About half the show we talked about... I did not say I had psychosis. | ||
| Half of the show we talked about feds, and you... No, I talked to... If you look at the full clip of the transcript... We talked about things being saved. | ||
| I said there's a group... | ||
| There's a larger lie when we're lied to and lose trust. | ||
| Then, out of that, when no one knows what's true, it creates a lot of problems. | ||
| So, the reason I went back to that is because in that Twitter space... I know, but... Okay, we're going to the second question. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| I didn't want to... Come on, guys. | ||
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This is cheap as fuck. | |
| Let's talk about what the people are paying. | ||
| They have questions. | ||
| We have some legitimate people. | ||
| But Glenn says he wants to leave. | ||
| I love Glenn Greenwald. | ||
| Glenn's gone. | ||
| Glenn's gone. | ||
| So we're going to be forced to turn out with me tonight. | ||
| Okay, we're going to the second question. | ||
| Darren, did you want to follow up? | ||
| I wanted to answer the user's question about the lack of preparation because it involves a lot more than the question of the National Guard. | ||
| For additional context, there's the Norfolk memo coming out of the Norfolk office of the FBI extensively cataloging threats to the Capitol, including maps of tunnels, all kinds of indications that there was going to be a major event at the all kinds of indications that there was going to be a major event at There was extensive government infiltration of every single militia group imputed to January 6th. | ||
| And there was a stand down? | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Up to the very, very highest levels. | ||
| We know that Enrique Tarrio had an extensive conversation with the head of Metro PD Intel. | ||
| And that's just one example. | ||
| We know the VP of the Oath Keepers was an FBI informant. | ||
| We know there are at least eight other informants in the Proud Boys, including informants who are texting their handlers simultaneously as they were in the Capitol and as the events unfolded. | ||
| We know of the Oath Keeper Jeremy Brown. | ||
| Who has been attacked and persecuted by the government. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because when he was approached by JTTF agents in December of 2020 to recruit him as an informant, he recorded the exchange and the encounter and put it out there on the Internet. | ||
| The JTTF agents said, there's something going to happen in January. | ||
| We want you to be an informant for us. | ||
| We know that there are several influencers, including Milo, Who parlored, or whatever the tweet version is for parlor, put out a message on January 5th saying, I was just approached by federal agents. | ||
| Whatever they have planned on the 6th is huge. | ||
| Don't go there. | ||
| That's just a number of examples. | ||
| Oh yeah, and there was Donnell Harvin. | ||
| He was the head of the Homeland Security Office for the DC Fusion Center. | ||
| His predictions were remarkably specific and accurate. | ||
| His office came up with the idea that we need to have body bags. | ||
| We need to focus on the Capitol at one o'clock. | ||
| Specifically, we need to be concerned with explosives planted on side streets that could serve a diversionary effect. | ||
| Therefore allowing for an attack on the Capitol. | ||
| These are just some of the highlights of examples of the government being in a position to know in advance what was going on. | ||
| And it wasn't just that there was an ordinary level of security at the Capitol, which is inconceivable when you think of the fact that there was a major proceeding there, that Trump was there giving a speech. | ||
| Ordinarily, there would be threat assessments, which there weren't. | ||
| It's not just that there was ordinary level of security. | ||
| There is a uniquely absent security on that day, uniquely poor security on a day with a major certification proceeding, on a day in which President Trump was there to give a major speech on a very controversial question directly pertinent to that proceeding. | ||
| So Darren, there's 1,250 people who were indicted thus far. | ||
| How many of them brought up as evidence in court ...that they were enticed or led into the building or led to do crimes by federal agents. | ||
| Well, there actually is Vick Chapman. | ||
| There are many as you out there brought acted in the judicious. | ||
| That, like, you can provide absolutely worthy. | ||
| How can you put a lifelong Republican? | ||
| You say Raffensperger was biased, even though he's a lifelong Republican. | ||
| You guys say that all these Trump and Jordan and the hyper-partisan Democrats wanted to find out. | ||
| A little higher bias is not convenient. | ||
| First of all, discover what happened. | ||
| No, I've been long ago. | ||
| I'd absolutely do it. | ||
| Yeah, but aggressionally exculpatory. | ||
| I would think that's exculpatory. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I would think that evidence that a federal agent led you to commit a crime or acted in a way that made you want to commit a crime would be pretty exculpatory evidence right there. | ||
| Yeah, it would in certain cases. | ||
| And like I said, there are people who are pursuing that. | ||
| There's a significant backlash to that within the judicial system. | ||
| So even given how much it's rigged now, it's additionally rigged when it comes to those specific types of defenses because they're so subversive to the larger narrative that the government is trying to promote. | ||
| Why wouldn't McCarthy put any Republicans on the J6 committee then and investigate this? | ||
| Well, McCarthy isn't exactly someone who's aggressively interested in pursuing the truth on this either. | ||
| Okay, why not appoint like a special counsel or appoint something separate then from Congress? | ||
| Well, I think that would be a fantastic idea, but again- Why didn't Trump do it? | ||
| Why didn't Trump do it? | ||
| Trump's not in a position to do it right now. | ||
| Yeah, but right after J6, before he gets kicked out, I want to point out- Well, I mean- Or why not on the days before, if he thinks that there's- I mean, there is not a really window of opportunity for that to happen. | ||
| A lot of other stuff is going on. | ||
| Doesn't it suck, then, that you can provide absolutely no smoking guns- I provided a ton of evidence. | ||
| No smoking guns. | ||
| I provided overwhelming evidence. | ||
| You've given a bunch of- You have not provided evidence for anything. | ||
| You've given a lot of stories, and now you've got an escape for every single way that you might actually discover what happened. | ||
| Congress would never hold them accountable. | ||
| I've been long a proponent for an investigative committee, but not the sham J6 committee. | ||
| Well, they tried. | ||
| They tried to do it. | ||
| No, the J6 committee is total sham. | ||
| Why is the J6 committee a sham? | ||
| Well, you really want to hear a good faith answer to that? | ||
| Why it's partisan? | ||
| Well, let's start with Benny Thompson. | ||
| Now... No, no, I know the people on it were all partisan. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But that's because McCarthy, but that's because McCarthy wouldn't put forth his nominees after Pelosi said no to two of five. | ||
| Well, first of all, I think those two should have been allowed. | ||
| I'm not asking you that. | ||
| I'm asking why didn't McCarthy put forth two other ones? | ||
| Because he didn't want to legitimize a process that was totally illegitimate. | ||
| So how convenient for you, then, that now we can also say the entire J6 committee... No, it's not convenient for me. | ||
| It's convenient for the regime. | ||
| No, it's convenient for you. | ||
| It's convenient for the regime not to have a legitimate and disinterested fact-finding commission to truly get to the bottom of the real questions that matter in relation to January 6th. | ||
| But there is no disinterested fact-finding. | ||
| You guys say Comey was biased, even though he was a lifelong Republican. | ||
| You say Raffensperger was biased, even though he was a lifelong Republican. | ||
| You guys say that Barr was biased, even though he's been a lifelong Trump supporter and a Republican. | ||
| Yeah, you say Ray is biased, like every single person. | ||
| Yeah, so then there are no unbiased fact finders. | ||
| I didn't say there are none, but the specific names you mentioned, absolutely. | ||
| How about William Barr? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So all these Trump appointees, Trump. | ||
| Yes, he made terrible appointments. | ||
| What's the best person ever to hire people, right? | ||
| Well, I didn't say that's not my convention here. | ||
| Who would be able to investigate this? | ||
| I think there are some people who could. | ||
| I think Jim Jordan who could. | ||
| Jim Jordan would be your example of an unbiased party. | ||
| Jim Jordan was literally part of the investigation. | ||
| I would say for there to be a legitimate committee, it would have to include people who are genuinely interested in pursuing not only the questions that Benny Thompson and the hyper-partisan Democrats wanted to find out, But people who are sympathetic to the other side who would be willing to pursue the questions that I've raised and have been raised that were not addressed at all in the committee because all they were interested in was demonizing Trump and setting up a criminal proceeding for Trump. | ||
| They weren't interested in getting to the bottom of the questions. | ||
| Why was there uniquely poor security? | ||
| What was going on with the level of federal infiltration? | ||
| all last as part of the answer. | ||
| It's an 847-page report. | ||
| I invite you to read it at some point. | ||
| The reality is that McCarthy at any point could have put five Republicans that he chose on that committee. | ||
| But because Nancy Pelosi said no to two of them, I think Banks and Jordan, that were actively being investigated or would have been the subjects of the J6 committee, he said no to anything. | ||
| And now we get to say it was all a sham, even though the majority of the people interviewed were Republicans, even though, as was stated earlier, every single person near Trump... | ||
| You're banking a lot on the Republican issue, but it shouldn't be a surprise to you, many Republicans' institutional apparatus of the party is not necessarily friendly to Trump. | ||
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There are many Republicans that are hostile to Trump. | |
| If every single person in government, if every Republican, if every Democrat... | ||
| If every judge, if every person in the United States that is in Trump's peripheral ends up hating Trump or not wanting to work with Trump, at what point do you say- Well, we're not saying every. | ||
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At what point do you say- Christopher Wray is not- At what point do you just say- I've been gone for 10 minutes, let me respond. | |
| You can't just run back in here and cut me off, okay? | ||
| At what point can we not say, maybe Trump was actually genuinely a horrible person? | ||
| Or maybe Trump actually genuinely- Dude, this guy is just like an idiot, man. | ||
| The level of reasoning on display here, he says, Well, maybe if these people didn't like him, maybe that's because he's a bad person. | ||
| Like, that's the level of analysis. | ||
| And you can understand what Darren is saying. | ||
| Darren says, well, we want a committee to get to the bottom of it. | ||
| Well, there was a committee. | ||
| Well, it was run by Democrats. | ||
| Well, they offered Republicans, but they got shut down. | ||
| Well, they shut them down because it was partisan and they didn't offer more because it was clear it was going to be partisan and they didn't want to legitimize it. | ||
| Well, who could have legitimized it? | ||
| Naming, like, three establishment Republicans that don't like Trump. | ||
| Ray Comey, James Comey, really? | ||
| And Raffensperger from Georgia. | ||
| And Darin says, well, you know, they're all biased, they're all anti-Trump, they're hostile to Trump. | ||
| Well, maybe if everyone doesn't like him, then he's a jerk. | ||
| Like, at that point... What can you even say at that point? | ||
| This is not a person that's equipped for the discussion. | ||
| Have you ever thought that maybe it's a little bit more complicated than, you know, personal affinity? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe when it's concerning a disruptive element like Donald Trump, with disruptive policy changes, which are wildly different than what the permanent bureaucratic state has pursued for 30 years, maybe things get Contentious? | ||
| In a situation like that? | ||
| I'm talking about Donald Trump runs against, contra, the free trade, open border, pro-war agenda of both Republicans and Democrats and the permanent bureaucrats inside the State Department, Pentagon, and Chamber of Commerce, and these types of institutions that have been pursuing those policies for 30 years. | ||
| You don't think that when Trump gets in the middle of that, that there isn't conflict? | ||
| That he goes to Congress and he encounters people in the U.S. | ||
| intelligence community or in the party establishment that are not hostile to him out of interest, out of self-interest, rather than affinity. | ||
| Rather, in other words, they don't dislike Trump because he's a meanie bo-beanie and nobody likes you because you're a jerk, but maybe because Donald Trump is a disruptive force In a place where a lot is at stake? | ||
| Washington DC, the seat of a global empire? | ||
| I mean, maybe... And again, this is just like... Let's reason this out. | ||
| Like we're children here for a moment, because I mean, that's clearly the level of analysis. | ||
| To run it back... | ||
| Darren said, let's investigate the real questions. | ||
| Destiny, well there was an investigation. | ||
| Darren, but obviously that was run by hyper-partisan Democrats. | ||
| Destiny, but that's because Republicans didn't put up candidates after two were shut down. | ||
| Darren, that's because the people that they put up were people that are sympathetic to the other side, which is what would be required for it to be fair. | ||
| And if they're only going to accept people that aren't sympathetic, then it's a sham. | ||
| They don't want to legitimize it. | ||
| Destiny. | ||
| Well, who would legitimize it? | ||
| Three people that are obviously sympathetic to the Democrat side and not the Trump side? | ||
| Darren. | ||
| Obviously not. | ||
| Destiny. | ||
| Well, if nobody is sympathetic to Trump, then maybe Trump's a big jerk. | ||
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| So, yeah. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Trump is a meanie. | ||
| He's a meanie. | ||
| He's a bad person. | ||
| He's a, in Destiny's words, a horrible person. | ||
| You know, this is the Reddit terminology. | ||
| Erm, maybe you're a freaking asshole. | ||
| Maybe Republicans shouldn't be freaking assholes and lie and overthrow the government. | ||
| Like, this is the level of reasoning. | ||
| Or maybe James Comey doesn't like Trump because James Comey is part of the intelligence community. | ||
| Which Donald Trump was running to reform? | ||
| Which Donald Trump was running against the entire elite? | ||
| Yes, the American elite. | ||
| comes from a milieu. | ||
| Yes, they all go to the same schools. | ||
| Yes, there is a broad consensus, even though there is partisanship, there is a broad ideological consensus, there is an institutionalist consensus among the people in the institutions. | ||
| And Donald Trump running against the institutions and against the establishment is not liked by them. | ||
| It's not because of his personality. | ||
| I'm sure that anybody that got lunch with Trump would get on fine with him. | ||
| And I'm sure if Donald Trump was running a Home Depot or a Kmart, people would think he's maybe not the worst boss. | ||
| But when you're running to change the global common market, the free movement of goods and people, again, this globalist, neoliberal, institutionalist consensus, Yeah, people in the establishment won't like you. | ||
| Yes, there will be establishment Republicans. | ||
| You know, Bill Barr, not exactly a great example. | ||
| The guy's a spook. | ||
| He was under Bush. | ||
| But, I mean, again, you're dealing with, like, a mental midget. | ||
| A literal and a mental midget. | ||
| And someone who just doesn't know the score. | ||
| I mean, we've been over it a million times. | ||
| This guy just doesn't know anything. | ||
| He doesn't know that Egypt doesn't border Russia. | ||
| He can't find Israel on a map. | ||
| He thought Erdogan was the president of Israel and couldn't identify him, nor can he identify Assad. | ||
| He thought the Bible was written in Arabic. | ||
| He can't locate Germany on a map. | ||
| He can't locate Wisconsin on a map. | ||
| He found out five weeks ago who Kevin McCarthy is, before initially confusing him with Joseph McCarthy. | ||
| And we've been over all that. | ||
| And then you sit this guy down to talk about January 6th and his argument is something like, erm, well, the Republicans just, like, freaking gave up. | ||
| Like, why did the Republicans, like, give more people? | ||
| They just, like, they were like, er, fuck it. | ||
| We're just gonna give up because you shot down two of our appointees. | ||
| Well, that's because... | ||
| To volunteer more Republicans would legitimize something and give political legitimacy to something that's hyper-partisan and unprecedented in the history of congressional investigations. | ||
| Erm, well, maybe Trump's a jerk. | ||
| Maybe he's a horrible person. | ||
| Have you ever thought that if no one likes you, that you're a bad person? | ||
| Like, this is the level of... This is how we're engaging on this issue. | ||
| Same thing with the FBI. | ||
| They were like, chortling at the idea that the New York Times works with the intelligence community. | ||
| And it's like, Greenwald hit the nail on the head. | ||
| Their engagement with American civics is like what they teach in social studies, or history class, or civics class. | ||
| Which is, you know, nominally how it's supposed to work. | ||
| Obviously the world doesn't work this way. | ||
| They're like, wait a second. | ||
| Well, journalists report on the stories and the editors edit them and then they're published by the newspapers. | ||
| Where does the FBI get involved in that? | ||
| It's like... Power overlaps, obviously. | ||
| Obviously people from the New York Times are in bed with the intelligence community. | ||
| Because there is a complex constellation of institutions in the power structure That aren't pushing an elite agenda. | ||
| It's happened throughout history. | ||
| I mean, how do you think we got in Iraq? | ||
| You think we got in Iraq because journalists were doing their due diligence about this intelligence that the United States would share with no one about WMDs? | ||
| Or all the other endless anonymous sources from the IC that are telling us about Russia killing soldiers in Afghanistan, or Russia blowing up a nuclear plant in Ukraine, or Assad using chemical weapons a billion times in the past ten years? | ||
| Or ISIS-Khorasan? | ||
| I mean, it... | ||
| So, I mean, this guy's just a fucking idiot. | ||
| I mean, that's the only thing that you can take away. | ||
| I mean, he's either pretending to be a fucking idiot, and he's just a shill, or he's an idiot. | ||
| And I think he's just an idiot. | ||
| I just can't believe what I'm hearing. | ||
| When you get to that level of... I mean, let's run it back. | ||
| He says, maybe you're a horrible person. | ||
| This is the level... We're talking about a very complex matter. | ||
| We're talking about This ongoing Trump movement, which is obviously very disruptive and actually does involve competing power factions, and the level of engagement on a complex subject like this is, if no one likes you, maybe you're a horrible person. | ||
| Like, you're a little girl. | ||
| Like, you're an eight-year-old girl. | ||
| If you explain the situation to a child, that's what they would say. | ||
| If a child was watching this debate, And you said, well, you know, even if he, I mean, if they could even understand the words, when Darren says, well, Republicans are hostile to Trump, a child would say, well, if nobody likes him. | ||
| He must not be a very nice person. | ||
| I saw that on Blue's Clues. | ||
| circumvent legal processes. | ||
| Christopher Wray is not... | ||
| At what point do you just say... | ||
| I've been gone for 10 minutes. | ||
| Let me respond. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| You can't just run back in your neck and cut me off, okay? | ||
| No, I'm listening. | ||
| At what point can we not say maybe Trump was actually genuinely a horrible person? | ||
| Or maybe Trump actually genuinely tried to circumvent legal processes in order to coup the government? | ||
| Or at least whatever you would call him asking Pence to unilaterally elect the government for... | ||
| Or maybe... | ||
| At what point do we say he's a freaking jerk? | ||
| At what point do we say, maybe Trump is a fucking asshole? | ||
| Mm. | ||
| You're a terrible person. | ||
| Um, I tried to unilaterally overthrow the government. | ||
| Am I the asshole? | ||
| Like, this is a... | ||
| Like, there is no left. | ||
| There is no left wing. | ||
| I mean, there's people that know about the world, and then there's people that have yet to learn about it. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| It was like earlier in the debate when Krasenstein didn't know that the census determines the apportionment of electoral votes and seats in the House. | ||
| He didn't know that. | ||
| So you don't actually have an opposition. | ||
| You don't have a left-wing side. | ||
| Because Alex Jones was saying, they count illegals in the census. | ||
| And as a result, California gained electoral votes and gained seats in the House. | ||
| And Krasinski instead, well, but they're not voting. | ||
| Like, he didn't know that. | ||
| And then when they taught him that, he said, oh, you're right. | ||
| So there's no opposition. | ||
| There's no counter-argument. | ||
| There's no rebuttal. | ||
| There's people that know what they're talking about and are presenting a case. | ||
| And then there's people that are just complete fucking idiots who are either ignorant or just don't even understand. | ||
| They don't have the historical context. | ||
| And what Greenwald is saying is right. | ||
| They don't understand politics beyond 2016. | ||
| They don't realize the history of the CIA, the history of the FBI. | ||
| Like, it's not a radical notion. | ||
| And it's also not unsupported to say that the FBI infiltrates political movements. | ||
| If you know the first thing about the FBI, or how it was formed, or who formed it, you would know that is to be expected. | ||
| That is a given. | ||
| They say, er, what? | ||
| So you think that people at the Capitol were working for the FBI? | ||
| Do you know anything about the history of the FBI? | ||
| Do you know anything about the history of intelligence services? | ||
| Do you know anything about the history of the Cold War? | ||
| Or the past, the War on Terror? | ||
| I mean, do you know anything about the past? | ||
| About the things that happened before today? | ||
| It's crazy! | ||
| I mean, they heard that and they laughed. | ||
| They're like, well, so what? | ||
| The New York Times is working with the IC? | ||
| Uh, yes! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| That is exactly what we're saying. | ||
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That's crazy, dude. | |
| But they just don't know. | ||
| I mean, they believe in this fairy tale mythology about the country that it's like You know, how a bill becomes a law. | ||
| It's like the Schoolhouse Rock version of American politics. | ||
| You start to bring in, like, hmm, how about the fact that the Mossad created all this fake intelligence for us to go to war in Iraq? | ||
| And they're like, erm, I don't know what that is. | ||
| A bill becomes a law when, like, this is what we're talking about. | ||
| You start to introduce, like, The Mossad or the Iron Triangle or NGOs that are funded by Congress and are subordinate to the State Department. | ||
| You start talking about that kind of stuff and they go, erm, I don't know what that is. | ||
| I was taught that every two years eligible citizens go to the ballot box and vote because America is a constitutional republic. | ||
| Like, That's the understanding that they're bringing to the table. | ||
| And it's just not enough. | ||
| We are in the age of complexity. | ||
| You're not equipped to have this debate if you don't know about interest-based politics, money-powered politics, and the role of media, and the role of espionage, which is significant. | ||
| You know? | ||
| When you look at the color revolutions around the world, when you look at the history of the Cold War, it's a spy game. | ||
| What happens in the world, it's a money game, and it's a spy game, and it's a resource game. | ||
| And if you're not thinking about the world in those terms, you don't understand the world. | ||
| If you're thinking about the world in terms of liberals and conservatives and Republicans and Democrats and, you know, religious bigots and tolerant liberals, like, you don't, you have no idea what's going on. | ||
| You just don't. | ||
| The things that inform the decision makers of the world, it's money power, it's resource power, it's intelligence power. | ||
| That's what makes the world go around. | ||
| And all this other stuff is just how they explain it. | ||
| So... You know, it's like what we talked about with Argentina. | ||
| One way to look at Argentina... I'm gonna bring it back again to Malay. | ||
| One way to look at Argentina is, Oh, they elected a libertarian who hates leftists! | ||
| None of these words mean anything. | ||
| Do you realize that? | ||
| None of these words mean anything. | ||
| Did Malay get elected because Argentina rejected leftism and they voted for sound libertarian policy? | ||
| Or was it a CIA-backed coup because Argentina was going to join BRICS and de-dollarize their economy? | ||
| Like, it's obviously the latter. | ||
| You know, and they say the same thing about, like, the war in Russia. | ||
| They're like, well, Putin was, Putin's wet dream. | ||
| Putin's a gas station attendant with a First World military and a Third World economy, and his wet dream, you know, he really, they always do, they load up the sexual language, too. | ||
| They'll say shit like, you know, they're playing footsie with dictators, they're writing love letters. | ||
| So I'll say, Putin, a glorified gas station attendant, his wet dream is to rebuild the Soviet Union because he's an evil tyrant like Mao. | ||
| And it's like, really? | ||
| Or is it because... | ||
| NATO overthrew the government in Kiev and was going to deploy medium-range ballistic missiles east of the Dnieper River at the throat of Moscow, and compromise the Black Sea fleet at Sevastopol. | ||
| Which is more likely? | ||
| That Putin is a boogeyman who's eating babies and whatever, and he's kidnapping orphans to Harvest their organs and use the slave labor and detonate another Chernobyl? | ||
| Or is he just concerned about the missiles because NATO is the same as Russia? | ||
| So... You know... Again, I've said it before. | ||
| It's not a question of left versus right. | ||
| It's a question of depth. | ||
| Are you in the shallow end or are you in the deep end? | ||
| Can you recognize that the entire Ray Epps story is suspicious? | ||
| Are you gonna say, erm, where's the smoking gun? | ||
| It's like, what are you looking for? | ||
| Are you looking for Ray Epps to sign a statement that says, I am a fed? | ||
| I am a fed, I did that. | ||
| Because it seems like unless we present that, they're unwilling to look at any of the other, like, deductive reasoning. | ||
| If you break it down and say, why did this guy get treated favorably by 60 Minutes and the New York Times and Adam Kinzinger, And why was your move from the FBI's most wanted list and why did they, even though they were pursuing aggressive prosecutions against everybody, why did they take it easy on him? | ||
| And Destiny goes, well that's not proof. | ||
| Well what's proof? | ||
| Does he need to grab a red crayon and get a piece of printer paper and scrawl, I did it! | ||
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I'm a fed! | |
| You caught me, I'm a fed! | ||
| Like, apparently that's the standard of evidence. | ||
| Where's the evidence that the election was rigged? | ||
| Well, how about Mark Zuckerberg's $300 million get-out-the-vote? | ||
| How about the fact that the FBI told social media that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian intelligence, so they banned you from sharing the link a month before the election? | ||
| How about the fact that they expanded the mail-in ballots and solicited ballots in many states? | ||
| And on and on and on. | ||
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And they go, hmm, yeah, but where's the evidence? | |
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| We need Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and the Illuminati to get together and write in crayon. | ||
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We stole the election in 2020. | |
| Signed the Illuminati. | ||
| And then Destiny will go, oh, you're right. | ||
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there's the source so yeah It's horror. | |
| I mean, he just shouldn't be invited to these things. | ||
| He doesn't add anything. | ||
| All he is is just like a... He's like a reinforcement mechanism for stupid people. | ||
| And he's there to say, Why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| You know, he's like a little kid. | ||
| What about this? | ||
| Well, what about that? | ||
| Well, what about this? | ||
| Well, why wasn't it like this? | ||
| I mean, he's there to just ask inane questions and derail anybody that tries to, you know, actually Elucidate what's happening in the country. | ||
| beyond what you have on Saturday. - To make it his number one campaign issue about January 6th. - It should be the number one campaign issue. | ||
| - Wow, not inflation, not open borders, not human smuggling, not world war. - Would a president try to circumvent the peaceful transfer power for the first time in US history? | ||
| - This actually takes me to the next question. | ||
| This is gonna be our final question of the night. | ||
| - No, Trump's not been convicted of anything. | ||
| - This is a question from-- - Not yet. - Fred C. | ||
| And the question is, will destiny address, quote, "Is white supremacy the biggest domestic threat faced by the United States?" And I open it up to the panel after you give an answer there, Steven. | ||
| Um, domestic threat? | ||
| I don't know how the FBI judges domestic threat. | ||
| It wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of crossover with, like, white supremacy groups and them being, like, organized like a domestic threat, but my guess would be domestic threats in the U.S. | ||
| is probably fairly low to the total security of the U.S., so I don't really care that much about it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But that's the official policy is white supremacism is the number one threat. | ||
| That's, what is that? | ||
| That's not a policy, that's a statement. | ||
| No, that's an executive order in June of 2021 put out by the White House. | ||
| What are the negative policy choices or what are the bad things that are happening because of that declaration? | ||
| They try to skew crime numbers. | ||
| They say everything is that. | ||
| I mean, this is like a major deal. | ||
| Skew crime numbers, say everything is that. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| You're not counting crime by black people anymore? | ||
| Didn't we just get all of the hate crimes against Asian people? | ||
| No, the FBI says the number one crime is white people. | ||
| They say the number one crime is white people. | ||
| But they do it statistically by manipulating the numbers, yeah. | ||
| I don't think the FBI is in charge of manipulating the numbers. | ||
| The FBI is not involved in crime statistics? | ||
| I didn't say involved in crime statistics. | ||
| I'm pretty sure you can go to the federal— There's a name for the site that has like— I don't believe you're like hiding under a rock somewhere. | ||
| You've got to know he gave a speech for an hour yesterday saying that MAGA people are terrorists. | ||
| They're about to take over. | ||
| I mean, you don't know. | ||
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Dude, he's so drunk, though. | |
| You can tell. | ||
| You just said it's good that Biden is running on January 6th. | ||
| I think January 6th is a huge deal, yes. | ||
| The president trying to circumvent the peaceful transfer of power is a really big issue. | ||
| And that's why he can't be allowed to be voted for. | ||
| No, that's not why. | ||
| He's not allowed to be voted for because Section 3 of the 14th Amendment says that if you have been a prior outtaker and you have been engaged in a rebellious insurrection, you're not allowed to run for office again. | ||
| We have to be clear about what's really happening. | ||
| The standard Democrat voter, these people don't care about the so-called insurrection. | ||
| That's not Biden's audience. | ||
| Biden's audience is to speak in support of this phony legal theory that's being served as a pretext to remove him from the ballots and therefore, you know, in the defense of democracy. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| He's trying to rally the deep state saying Trump's going to persecute us and arrest us If we don't stop him, because they've committed all the... Well, what do you think? | ||
| ...opposition when he... Barack... That's... Yeah. | ||
| ...state continues... ...dominant Democratic... | ||
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So, if he was to stay... Gentlemen, tonight is coming to a close. | |
| Zero Hedge, thank you so much for putting this debate on. | ||
| And everybody on the panel, man. | ||
| Darren Beattie, Alex Jones, Steve Bonnell, Brian Krasinski, Dave Krasinski, Glenn Greenwald. | ||
| Tell us about your show, what you do. | ||
| I'm the co-host of TimCastIRL on YouTube, Monday through Friday, 8 p.m. | ||
| Eastern Standard Time with Tim Pool. | ||
| It's a blast. | ||
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We talk about technology, politics, culture. | |
| Yep, my website is revolver.news. | ||
| We broke a lot of these January 6th stories. | ||
| Take the challenge for yourself. | ||
| Go to revolver.news, look at the pieces, in particular the Ray Epps series and the pipe bomb series. | ||
| Decide for yourself whether or not there's overwhelming evidence for federal involvement. | ||
| And then I do, seven days a week, Live on air 11 a.m. | ||
| to 3 p.m. | ||
| weekdays, Saturday we do special reports different times, Sundays 4 to 6 p.m. | ||
| InfoWars.com, Ford's last show, now Real Alex Jones back on what was Twitter now X, and we're here, we're fighting hard, we're promoting freedom, and we want everybody to tune in and see what we're doing. | ||
| Tell me about your day, Steven. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Yeah, I'm on YouTube. | ||
| You know, you should check out the last few videos. | ||
| I do a lot of arguments over a lot of the goofy Ray Epps conspiracy theories or a lot of these J7 or J6 conspiracy theories. | ||
| I've been doing that. | ||
| YouTube.com slash destiny. | ||
| Yeah, check me out. | ||
| What are you? | ||
| I'm on X Krasenstein. | ||
| I do a lot of posts. | ||
| I guess you can't call them tweets anymore about politics. | ||
| I try to hear out both sides. | ||
| Alex, I still read your read your post. | ||
| I might not agree with him, but I try to hear out both sides. | ||
| Give me feedback. | ||
| I like countering points. | ||
| I like listening. | ||
| I want to congratulate everybody for being here. | ||
| This has been a great debate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ed, you on as well? | ||
| Yeah, pretty much everything Brian said. | ||
| Yeah, it has been a great... It has been spectacular. | ||
| High energy, fast-paced, it's intense. | ||
| The first time I've ever moderated a debate with five people and then somebody coming in digital, which has its own... And if you want to see more of this... | ||
| Okay, it's finally over. | ||
| Zero Hedge, like you said, with their subscription service, there would be more of this. | ||
| So this is the future. | ||
| People want this. | ||
| Zero Hedge debates all the way. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for coming. | ||
| Again, ZeroHedge.com. | ||
| Thanks for putting this on to everyone at Zero Hedge and everyone in the audience. | ||
| We love you. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| We will see you later. | ||
| And we're going to run an hour on January 6th on the M4S. | ||
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How's mom listening? | |
| A peaceful protest? | ||
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Okay, it's finally over. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Well, that was something. | ||
| That was really something I'm just glad it's over, dude. | ||
| I don't have anything else to say. | ||
| I'm tired, man. | ||
| I'm tired. | ||
| That was a long stream. | ||
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But if you look, if you look... Alright, I'm gonna read Super Chats and then I'm done. | |
| Then I'm getting out of here, man. | ||
| That was long. | ||
| Thank you for watching and sticking with it. | ||
| Because that was a long night. | ||
| I appreciate you watching. | ||
| I'm gonna read superchats. | ||
| Smash the follow button if you haven't already. | ||
| Make sure to follow me. | ||
| I do a show Monday through Friday. | ||
| I'm doing a plug myself now. | ||
| I do a show Monday through Friday here. | ||
| Yeah, um, I don't know. | ||
| The whole thing was unprofessional. | ||
| I think the moderator was terrible and I thought that was kind of the beginning of the end. | ||
| because the moderator did not ian crossland i mean he's an okay guy but uh he did not control it he did not organize it alex jones was belligerent the entire time destiny's just as bad honestly um | ||
| and it's a shame because i thought it was a good conversation when darren was talking and when glenn greenwald was talking and even the krasensteins i mean they're stupid but at least they were civil and they were making an effort to understand the other side But, I mean, Destiny is what he is. | ||
| I mean, he's a little weasel. | ||
| Alex is belligerent. | ||
| And, you know, he was better at times. | ||
| Sometimes he was funny and sometimes he was able to control himself, but the whole thing taken together? | ||
| Very obnoxious. | ||
| The debate was all over the place. | ||
| It's kind of a shame because it would have been good to actually hear Darren present the full case because he's been on this for years and I don't feel like I've ever seen him really lay it out and It would have been a good opportunity to hear the back-and-forth and hear a debate on that especially The distinction between the rigged and the stolen election. | ||
| I thought, you know, that would have been a fruitful discussion. | ||
| But it just turned into this circus. | ||
| The moderator screaming like a lunatic. | ||
| Alex Jones getting up and yelling and Destiny doing... I mean, he is insufferable. | ||
| Just draining and exhausting to listen to. | ||
| And just such a nasty human being. | ||
| I mean, scum of the earth. | ||
| And dumb. | ||
| Darren Beatty always a treat to listen to him he's obviously brilliant and cogent and well-researched and you know I'm a huge fan of his same thing with Glenn Greenwald I thought Glenn Greenwald you know he and he brought that gay flair you know Darren Beatty's got the bags under his eyes I mean you know he's really got this like you know strategist thing and Glenn Greenwald's like Hey, bitch. | ||
| Excuse me, bitch. | ||
| Erm, you know. | ||
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High school civics class called. | |
| They want their ideas back, bitch. | ||
| Like, so he brought that. | ||
| He ate them up a little bit on the gay front. | ||
| So, you know, they did phenomenal. | ||
| The rest of it, though, just miserable. | ||
| Miserable affair. | ||
| And, you know, but we went through it together. | ||
| You and I, we got through it together. | ||
| Who won the debate? | ||
| Thoughts? | ||
| Post a name. | ||
| Who do you think did the best? | ||
| I want to see who is your favorite out of the six. | ||
| Between the Krasensteins, Destiny, Beattie, Greenwald, and Alex Jones. | ||
| Just throw in a name. | ||
| I want to see what you guys thought. | ||
| Who did you think performed the best? | ||
| And then we'll do the worst after. | ||
| So let's see, we got Nick, Glenn, MemeTix, Darren, Darren, no one, Nick, MemeTix, Darren, Darren, Gren, Gren, Greenwald, Glenn, Greenwald, Leafy, Glenn, Nick, Destiny, Darren, and so it's all over the place, I guess. | ||
| A lot of Darren, a lot of Glenn, a lot of me. | ||
| A lot of meme tics. | ||
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All right. | |
| Now, who do you think did the worst? | ||
| Now, out of everybody that was there, say who you thought was the absolute worst. | ||
| Who did you think performed the worst and was the most annoying? | ||
| Moderator included. | ||
| So out of the seven, who do you think was the worst? | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| A lot of Destiny. | ||
| It's almost all Destiny. | ||
| Crossland yeah, yeah a lot but mostly destiny some Alex For me, I would say I would probably rank it Darren Glenn Then I would say Alex begrudgingly then I'd say the Krasensteins then I'd say Ian Crossland then I'd say destiny at the very bottom now that would be my ranking but All right. | ||
| Well, I got a p2. | ||
| So let me read these super chats and then I'll get out of here. | ||
| I've been streaming for like four and a half hours. | ||
| So let me get through these and then we'll be done. | ||
| Only Jesus sent $5. | ||
| One of the things I love about you, Nicholas, is that you will press go live at 5 a.m. | ||
| with no shame and deliver a banger show. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's just a quirk of how I am. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| You can have a brilliant, fearless, visionary, genius leader. | ||
| You can't always have a fearless, brilliant, genius, visionary leader that's exactly on time every day, okay? | ||
| But I'm glad you like the show. | ||
| You know, I do the show, you watch it eventually, okay? | ||
| It's the 21st century. | ||
| This isn't the Ed Sullivan show, you know? | ||
| It's not like you need to gather around the television, oh, Ed Sullivan is live! | ||
| Oh, who's the other one? | ||
| You know who I'm talking about? | ||
| Johnny Carson's on! | ||
| Everybody gathered around the television set at 8 o'clock. | ||
| Like, it's the 21st century. | ||
| You missed a stream? | ||
| Fucking watch a replay, okay? | ||
| Everybody goes, you're late, you're late. | ||
| Watch it at your convenience! | ||
| The replays are available forever! | ||
| Just tune in at a later time. | ||
| You're not awake at 4am? | ||
| Watch it at 3pm! | ||
| It's called the fucking internet. | ||
| It's called 5G. | ||
| Get an iPhone. | ||
| Well, he wasn't on time. | ||
| Is this in a radio show? | ||
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I should be. | |
| I should be on time. | ||
| I'm gonna be on time. | ||
| We're gonna relaunch the show later this year and I'm gonna be on time every day, okay? | ||
| I know I should be. | ||
| I know, I know, I know. | ||
| There's no excuse. | ||
| There's really no excuse and I should be on time and I, you know, and I try to be on time but I'm not good at it. | ||
| And I will be! | ||
| I'm just saying, everybody gets so pressed about it. | ||
| Like, relax, Goyim, the show goes live. | ||
| So what? | ||
| I'm a couple hours late. | ||
| I'm one hour late. | ||
| You gonna kill me for that? | ||
| I was 30 minutes late. | ||
| I mean, I don't even know. | ||
| You're getting mad at me because I was five seconds late. | ||
| The show goes live when it goes live. | ||
| You complain about everything. | ||
| That's my Jew impression. | ||
| That's my impression of a Jew. | ||
| That's literally how I am, but with time. | ||
| That's how I am, but with punctuality. | ||
| The show goes live when it goes live. | ||
| You complain about everything, Goyim. | ||
| You should be grateful you even have a show. | ||
| In fact, you should be thanking me that I do the show at all. | ||
| That's my Jewish impression. | ||
| That's my impression of any Jew in the world that's alive. | ||
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I was five seconds late! | |
| So what? | ||
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Alright. | |
| I'm having fun with that. | ||
| I'm a time Jew. | ||
| Jews covet money. | ||
| I covet time, okay? | ||
| Jews have The gold watches. | ||
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I have the time. | |
| Alright, um... Okay. | ||
| Yeah, but I'll be on time, okay? | ||
| I promise. | ||
| I just struggle with it because I'm... I really just am all over the place. | ||
| I'm scatterbrained. | ||
| I'm a little ADHD. | ||
| I just get lost, you know? | ||
| I kind of get lost doing something else. | ||
| And then I'm like, oh damn, it's midnight. | ||
| Oh shit, it's 3 a.m. | ||
| I fall asleep everywhere, you know, because I'm up all night, sleep all day. | ||
| But I'm glad you like the show. | ||
| I'll bang it back. | ||
| Talked over? | ||
| - Grumbling sent $5, another thing from watching old Hitchens talks. | ||
| Someone was describing the Iraq war and says that we talked over 90% of the jihadists and isolated 10%. | ||
| For a second I was impressed with the army's restrained, then I realized 90%. - Talked over? | ||
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I don't get it. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| I don't know how you could. | ||
| I don't know how you could watch this, figure out what's going on, and then go back to like... Biden farted. | ||
| Breaking news, Biden tripped and fell today. | ||
| And that's because he's a mental retard. | ||
| know how you could i don't know how you could watch this figure out what's going on and then go back to like biden farted did you uh breaking news biden tripped and fell today and that's because he's a metal retard like you know i don't know how you could ever go back one Once you go GROYP, you never go back. | ||
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So... And yeah, Destiny is retarded. | |
| MC sent $20. | ||
| Hey buddy. | ||
| Been watching the debate. | ||
| It does suck. | ||
| Hopefully you'll get in some debates this year because those are the only ones truly worth watching. | ||
| Anyone you'd really like to debate? | ||
| Love ya. | ||
| Hey, love you too. | ||
| Yeah, I hope I get in some debates too, because I really do feel like I'm the only good one. | ||
| People I'd like to debate? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Ben Shapiro. | ||
| Jordan Peterson. | ||
| Matt Walsh. | ||
| Honestly, anybody with a big following, I'm game. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| What the? | ||
| Dude, this guy's rich! | ||
| This guy must be rich. | ||
| This is why I love rich people and why I hate poor people. | ||
| Want to know why? | ||
| Because rich people... | ||
| Stacking bands I'm this guy's been super chatting like hundreds of dollars every day for weeks occasionally thousands and Then just out of nowhere boom another thousand. | ||
| Thank you very much Everybody Oh seven in the chat for I'm hoplite. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| This guy's like sponsoring the show I hope you know that this guy's paying for the show him and AT Drummond and a few others Huge thank you to I'm hoplite. | ||
| Happy January 6th 07's to you and I appreciate the big super chat. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| You keepin' the lights on here. | ||
| You keepin' the meal prep kits in the microwave. | ||
| So thank you. | ||
| It was mostly Jewish. | ||
| Quesada sent $5. | ||
| Whole debate was very Jewish. | ||
| Oh slash Nick. - It was mostly Jewish, you're right. - Syoptgrund sent $10. | ||
| Psy-Opt-Gunt, huh? | ||
| That hurts, man. | ||
| Sorry, that's years of... I thought it said Psy-Opt-Gunt, but that, you know, that's psychological damage. | ||
| That's years of psychological damage that I would see Grunt and read it as Gunt. | ||
| That's like PTSD. | ||
| That's like when a firework goes off and you think you're back in Mosul. | ||
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You know, that's like... That's the same thing, you know. | |
| Fourth of July weekend or New Year's Eve and you think you're back in Ho Chi Minh City. | ||
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So, you can't blame me for that. | |
| That's just something I'll have to live with. | ||
| Permanent brain damage. | ||
| Joseph Quesada sent $5. | ||
| Every major event in world history. | ||
| Alex Jones I was there. | ||
| My grandfather was there. | ||
| My great-uncle was there. | ||
| My father was there. | ||
| Etc. | ||
| Good observation. | ||
| He does do that. | ||
| Well, hey, Darren's good, okay? | ||
| Darren and Glenn are good. | ||
| They're a couple of the good ones. | ||
| Probably got his phone in his lap or something. | ||
| Great Days sent $10, Destiny is looking down throughout the whole debate again. | ||
| Did he print out his Discord? | ||
| Probably got his phone in his lap or something. | ||
| CGRR sent $3, such a dumb topic to have a 3 vs. 3 debate. | ||
| Should be Beatty vs. Destiny or something. | ||
| They wanted Jones for entertainment but knew he can't debate so added support. | ||
| Yeah, that's 100%. | ||
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| What did he say during the debate? | ||
| Zoomer sent $5. | ||
| WTF I love destiny now. | ||
| Why? | ||
| What did he say during the debate? | ||
| AJ as a fed sent $5. | ||
| In the late 90s there were multiple people doing the same thing AJ was doing on shortwave radio shows all over the county. | ||
| All of them ended up killed by feds, suicided, died in hiking trips, arrested by feds, etc. | ||
| Except AJ. | ||
| Wonder why? | ||
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Yeah, I don't know if I believe that though. | |
| Great Days sent $10, you can see how debate is part of Jewish DNA. | ||
| They are calm while Destiny and Alex are speeding at each other. | ||
| The seating positions are dynamic as well. | ||
| Very true. | ||
| AJ as a Fed sent $3. | ||
| Some of these people accused AJ of disinfo before their downfall. | ||
| The most notable name is Bill Cooper but there are multiple others. | ||
| LMK if you want more names. | ||
| Might be interesting to look into. | ||
| What am I supposed to look into? | ||
| Bill Cooper? | ||
| You gotta tell me specifically what happened. | ||
| Joseph Quesada sent $100. | ||
| I'm beginning to think Alex is just controlled opposition and instrument used to lead conservatives astray while at the same time create an image of conservatives that validates preconceived notions of the alcoholic, irrational, tinfoil hat wearing uncle so as to discredit the right as a whole. | ||
| He is useful to the opposition more than he is a threat. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't feel confident saying that he's a Fed. | ||
| I mean, certainly it's a possibility. | ||
| I think it's plausible that he's some form of controlled opposition. | ||
| But I don't feel certain about that. | ||
| I wouldn't even say I'm confident about that because he could really just be like an unhinged maniac. | ||
| You know, I don't know that you can necessarily say that I think it's plausible that there is some level of handling going on like I would be a lot more Confident saying he's being handled in some way than that. | ||
| He is like You know that he's an actor that he's an agent or something But who really knows I just I just look at what he says. | ||
| I just analyze what he says because without Without real evidence, I mean, because he seems like a pretty sincere guy. | ||
| He's like a sincere alcoholic and chain smoker and all that. | ||
| Like, he seems pretty authentic in some ways. | ||
| But thanks for the big super chat. | ||
| Fern McFriendly sent $10. | ||
| Alex Jones is a Twitch hot tub thot jiggling about for shekels. | ||
| Please make it stop. | ||
| Frowny face. | ||
| No cash sent $100. | ||
| No message. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Thanks for the big super chat and no message. | ||
| I love you for that. | ||
| Thanks for supporting the show. | ||
| I appreciate you. | ||
| Doge shit poster 69 sent $3. | ||
| If you burn down an empty federal courthouse, you are still interfering with official proceedings because you can't use that building for future official proceedings until the building is repaired. | ||
| That's neither here nor there. | ||
| Joseph Quesada sent $5, jugular vein bulging, erratic jaw movement, pale, sweaty destiny was clearly on Adderall. | ||
| Think so? | ||
| TheRumbling sent $3. | ||
| As someone who has studied Jews for many years, I have to ask, do you ever deliberately employ Jewish tactics? | ||
| Fire with fire? | ||
| That's a stupid question. | ||
| What is that, what is a Jewish tactic? | ||
| Lying? | ||
| Like, you know. | ||
| They're just unscrupulous. | ||
| It's not like they... I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I guess they have some kind of a playbook, but I feel like in general it's just deception. | ||
| Any good liar is just doing what a lot of Jews are very capable of doing, so... | ||
| So, no. | ||
| Because I fundamentally am a sincere person. | ||
| I wear my heart on my sleeve. | ||
| I try to tell the truth. | ||
| So, no. | ||
| I think that fundamentally what it all boils down to is dishonesty and deception. | ||
| So, I mean, that bag of tricks is just called deception. | ||
| You know, if you say, well, do you use Jewish tricks? | ||
| I mean, we can categorize that and say it's deception. | ||
| Which, no. | ||
| I'm the opposite of that. | ||
| Brian Mills sent $10, ever play Ultima General Civil War, or Grand Tactician? | ||
| Also this is the worst debate I have ever seen you watch. | ||
| Love you Dago. | ||
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Dick Coomer sent $3, these people are very obnoxious. | |
| I commend your ability to keep calm when debating them. | ||
| This is easily up there. | ||
| Easily top two. | ||
| Worst debates. - Dick Coomer sent $3. | ||
| These people are very obnoxious. | ||
| I commend your ability to keep calm when debating them. | ||
| Has years of enduring cringe super chats toughened your constitution? | ||
| - Shut the fuck up. - Pat Brady sent $40. | ||
| Started following you after the debate you did against Destiny and Hassan on the Trainwrecks show 4 years ago, but finally became redpilled on the JQ after yay on Infowars. | ||
| Here's some of my do's, keep up the good work and thank you for being willing to tell the truth even when it's difficult. | ||
| Well thank you very much, that's very fulfilling. | ||
| Why did it take you 4 years to get redpilled to 3 years? | ||
| Or no, 4! | ||
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No. | |
| Yeah, no, three. | ||
| Cuz yay was 2022. | ||
| So it took you three and a half years to get red-pilled on Jews. | ||
| You were watching my show for over three years and it never clicked until we went on Alex Jones and said we loved Hitler. | ||
| Thanks for the super chat, but how does that happen? | ||
| How do you watch this show and say, I agree with everything other than the Jewish topic? | ||
| Like, that's kind of the whole basis of it. | ||
| That's like 60%, easily 50 or 60% or more of what I talk about, especially lately. | ||
| Lately, it's like 90%. | ||
| So how do you watch the show and say, well, I agree on everything other than that? | ||
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What? | |
| But hey, I appreciate, you know, better late than never. | ||
| Wonder Pets Patriot sent $10, this was a footnote of the debate but it's kinda on the nose that the Jew Krassenstein said a word of praise to Nikki Haley as a rebuttal to an argument. | ||
| Well he just said that she's likely to win. | ||
| Joseph Quesada sent $10, Nick is a threat because he is persuasive, charming and bold. | ||
| Nobody on that panel is a threat. | ||
| They all look sloppy, greasy, and have weak voices and posture are on drugs. | ||
| Alex is a red-faced alcoholic. | ||
| They could have the best ideas in the world it wouldn't matter. | ||
| That's why they're allowed to talk. | ||
| It's more than that. | ||
| Alex Jones is a Shabbos Goy, and the other two are Jews, so it's not just about their luck. | ||
| Wonder Pets Patriots sent $3. | ||
| I was on the FBI Most Wanted list, but I gave them a call explaining myself, and they took me off. | ||
| Glad I could clear up that misunderstanding. | ||
| I guess I never got the memo. | ||
| When I got put on the no-fly list, I should have just put in a word and said, hey, uh, you think I could just get pulled off of that real quick? | ||
| That's, by the way, exactly what I did. | ||
| I called the TSA, and you know what they told me? | ||
| They said, even if you are on the list, we can't even tell you if you're on the list. | ||
| Then they said file a complaint. | ||
| So I called up TSA. | ||
| I explained my situation. | ||
| They said, well, technically the no-fly list is confidential law enforcement information. | ||
| So if you suspect you're on the list, we can't confirm that. | ||
| But if you suspect it, you can file a trip application, traveler, redress, inquiry program on our website. | ||
| Which I did, and it took them like a year to take me off. | ||
| And I paid a lawyer $25,000, $30,000 to begin a lawsuit that went nowhere about that. | ||
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So, yeah, gotta love it. | |
| Okay, stop saying that. | ||
| No, they don't... It's not that they don't understand, they're just stupid. | ||
| Liberals don't understand conservative arguments. | ||
| Love you, WAP. | ||
| Stop saying that. | ||
| No, they don't. | ||
| It's not that they don't understand. | ||
| They're just stupid. | ||
| They don't understand the topic. | ||
| Allison T. sent $18. | ||
| Could be Alex's prostate making him pee, given his age. | ||
| Prob alcohol, but I hope not. | ||
| You're the best. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Catholics rule. | ||
| Praying for you to meet a nice young lady soon. | ||
| No honeypots. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| The Quack sent $3. | ||
| Happy Anniversary! | ||
| Did you ever get my mail? | ||
| Quack. | ||
| Happy Anniversary! | ||
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No! | |
| I haven't checked my P.O. | ||
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box, but I'll check it this week. | |
| I didn't mean to flip off that girl, but I hate when women say to me, or anyone for that matter, says, we need to find you a girl. | ||
| It's like, get the fuck out of my face, OK? | ||
| Thanks for the super chat. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Thanks for watching. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| It just triggers me when people say, hope you meet a nice young lady. | ||
| Like, get the fuck out of my face. | ||
| Who asked you? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Kind of not your business, but thanks anyway, I guess. | ||
| Bob Hitler sent $3. | ||
| Glenn broke Destiny's pelvis. | ||
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I don't know, but whenever he pronounces the letter S, his jaw goes to the side. | |
| He goes like S. It's weird. | ||
| It like juts out. | ||
| You're right, like horizontally. | ||
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It's very strange. - Bob Hitler sent $3. | |
| Ian, are you afraid of the press crossland is the worst FR? | ||
| - Yeah, that was rough. | ||
| - Smarty sent $10. | ||
| Even though he's been cringe, Alex has more testosterone than all three of the liberals on the panel combined. | ||
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True. | |
| You're right. | ||
| Weast sent $50. | ||
| Love ya. | ||
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Hey, love you too, man. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Eddie Van Graham sent $3. | ||
| Destiny and others of his ilk have no ability to conceptualize interest-based politics. | ||
| Their position is a combination of naivety and hubris. | ||
| 30 IQ Super Chatter breaking out the $5 words. | ||
| Your ilk cannot conceptualize interest-based politics. | ||
| It's a combination of naivete and hubris. | ||
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Bruh. | |
| Stay talking like a baby because you are one. | ||
| But thanks for the superchat. | ||
| Shut the fuck up, retard. | ||
| you gotta watch drones versus homeless people on tiktok it's awesome shut the fuck up retard 2k boots and sound like a retard brother you gotta dudes will watch a video and say nice DUDES WILL WATCH A VIDEO OF TWO GUYS SHAKING HANDS AND BE LIKE, NICE! | ||
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THE DUDES IN QUESTION, NICE! | |
| BROTHER, YOU GOTTA WATCH SHARKNADEO AND TAKE- Shut the fuck up, idiot. | ||
| Just give me a Diet Coke, alright? | ||
| No more questions, please. | ||
| Just bring me another Pepsi. | ||
| Hold the funny remarks. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Hold the funny remarks. - 2K Boots sent $7. | ||
| That debate was extremely low IQ. | ||
| God bless Nick. - Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, it did suck. - Eddie Van Graham sent $3. | ||
| I'm sorry I let you down and forgot to send money for the money bomb stream. | ||
| Relative of mine past. | ||
| Love you, big guy. | ||
| Keep fighting the good fight. | ||
| Weird, weird emotional play there. | ||
| Weird emotional blackmail, like, emotional landmine hostage play there. | ||
| Sorry, I... I'm sorry I didn't give any money to you. | ||
| Someone I know died. | ||
| Sorry! | ||
| Sorry! | ||
| I'm really sorry I didn't give you a million dollars. | ||
| I know that was shitty of me. | ||
| It's just my relatives all died. | ||
| Sorry! | ||
| Sorry! | ||
| I know it's no excuse. | ||
| It's like, what the fuck is that? | ||
| What kind of game are you running on me, pal? | ||
| What is that all about? | ||
| Okay, sorry for your loss. | ||
| What do you want me to say here? | ||
| You know, did you think that I was on the Money Bomb stream, like, checking off? | ||
| Like, hmm. | ||
| Eddie Van Gram didn't give any money, fucking piece of shit. | ||
| He better have a good excuse. | ||
| I hope somebody he know died, because this is... He's out of here, man. | ||
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What? | |
| Why would you even say that? | ||
| Weird, weird way to frame it. | ||
| But hey, thanks for the super chat now, I guess. | ||
| It's okay that you didn't donate because your relative died. | ||
| Don't need to apologize. | ||
| I'm sorry for your loss. | ||
| That is terrible. | ||
| I hope you're doing okay. | ||
| Why'd you say it like that? | ||
| That's like emotional terrorism. | ||
| Bro is ter- I'm sorry I let you down and didn't give you money because my relatives died. | ||
| What? | ||
| Who says that? | ||
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Thanks, though. | |
| Also, sorry. | ||
|
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Also, it's okay. | |
| I know what you said. | ||
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I love you, too. | |
| I know what you said. | ||
| I'm just... It's amusing when foreigners say things like, you know, I have this American sense of humor. | ||
| is American because of TikTok. | ||
| Anyways, this stream was as good as you could have made it. | ||
| Love, love, love, love, love, love you. - Hey, love you too. | ||
| I know what you said. | ||
| I'm just, it's amusing when foreigners say things like, you know, I have this American sense of humor. | ||
| I imagine, you know, Euro trash types and they're like, you know, you know, I'm not gonna do an impression I'm going to botch it, but I can imagine Eurotrash that just is so like uncool and lame. | ||
| They're like, look at me. | ||
| I'm like an American. | ||
| It's like, no, you're not. | ||
| You're not like an American. | ||
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Come to America and we'll see how American you are. | |
| Bruh said, I am online, so I'm basically like an American. | ||
| No, no, pal. | ||
| Sorry, you're not. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| I know y'all want to be American, but you're not. | ||
| This is, wow, actually a good superchat from you. | ||
| Usually your superchats are terrible, but this was very good. | ||
| liberals. | ||
| Brazil literally went through CIA-supported coups and dictatorships. | ||
| That's the foundation to Glenn's beliefs. | ||
| Destiny is just the pinnacle NPC who barely knows where Brazil is on the map. | ||
| This is, wow, actually a good super chat from you. | ||
| Usually your super chats are terrible, but this was very good. | ||
| Well done. | ||
| Actually very insightful and correct and well said. | ||
| Nice job. | ||
| Alan Andrade sent $10. | ||
| First super chat. | ||
| I love the show. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thanks for the first super chat. | ||
| The first of many. | ||
| Now I have you hooked. | ||
| Now you're all mine. | ||
| Thanks for the super chat. | ||
| Glad you like the show. | ||
| Johnny Bravo 7. | ||
| I love when people say it's my first super chat. | ||
| It's like when you give someone heroin for the first time. | ||
| It's like Now, now you're gonna be my super chatter forever. | ||
| You can never leave. | ||
| Johnny Bravo $0.075. | ||
| Great reaction, Nick. | ||
| This debate would have been great had it been Green Wall. | ||
| Darren vs. the Jew Brothers. | ||
| Listening to Alex Jones speak just makes me want to shove a screwdriver in my ear. | ||
| Destiny 2. | ||
| They both sucked. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| It would have been better without them. | ||
| Virginian sent $5, Yo Nick, 07 man god bless. | ||
| Yeah, if you and Ben Shapiro debated that would break the internet. | ||
| That debate was a little retarded, though watching Alex and Destiny in Blood Sports was genuinely entertaining. | ||
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Wish Darren had talked more. | |
| Jimbo Zoomer sent $10, My My entire timeline is Destiny a-logging and holy cow he is so hard to listen to but for you and JonTron I'll keep going till he is destroyed. | ||
| Also, I still haven't remailed your Christmas present but soon. | ||
| You freaking rock, dude. | ||
| You freaking rock! | ||
| Everybody, 07 to Jimbo. | ||
| Jimbo has been the source a-logging Destiny. | ||
| I don't know how a Sandy can take it. | ||
| Because he has had to watch Because I don't do it. | ||
| I can't watch that guy. | ||
| But Destiny, or rather Jimbo, is there day in day out, A-logging Destiny, watching his content, clipping it up, sending it in the group chat, coordinating the attack. | ||
| So we gotta give him the credit. | ||
| We love you, Jimbo. | ||
| You're one of my favorite shows on Cozy. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| Easily, like... You and Paul Town gotta be some of my favorites, so... I don't wanna say... If I say my favorite, then, you know, someone is gonna... Someone's gonna be jumping on a stream. | ||
| I always hated Nick Ford, you know? | ||
| If I say... If I say Jimbo's my favorite, then, you know, one of these streamers... | ||
| Red Pill Jacob is gonna do his first livestream ever and he's gonna say, I always hated Nick Fuentes. | ||
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I always knew he was an asshole! | |
| Now I'm going to tell everybody. | ||
| Now I'm going to tell the whole world. | ||
| America First is crumbling. | ||
| I can't say you and Paul Towne are my favorites because then it's going to initiate a whole new cycle. | ||
| But you're up there, my friend. | ||
| And I appreciate it. | ||
| Love you. | ||
| Love your show. | ||
| You rock. | ||
| You're awesome. | ||
| You're the shit. | ||
| And thank you for your service. | ||
| You're making a difference. | ||
| Hey, thanks a lot! | ||
| I don't know any Colombians, but... Look, I'm Mexican. | ||
| I love you guys. | ||
| Love all my Spanish speakers. | ||
| Except Puerto Ricans. | ||
| Fuck Puerto Ricans. | ||
| But everybody else... And, you know, Brazilians aren't really Hispanics, but... Everybody else, love you. | ||
| Shoutout Colombians. | ||
| Shout out, well, and Venezuelans are really shitting everything up lately. | ||
| Shout out Peruvians, Ecuadorians, Chileans, Argentine, we love all you guys. | ||
| All you guys down there. | ||
| And the rest of them, you know, Paraguayan, Uruguayan, Bolivian. | ||
| Love you all. | ||
| So, thanks a lot. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| I was kidding about Puerto Ricans. | ||
| I was kidding. | ||
| It's a joke, because Mexicans and Puerto Ricans hate each other. | ||
| I actually don't care. | ||
| I don't have any animosity for Puerto Ricans. | ||
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That was a joke. | |
| That was a joke, but I waited on the punchline so it would land a little better. | ||
| Or to say that it was a joke, rather. | ||
| But no, I'm not one of these Mexico pride people. | ||
| I mean, my Mexican grandfather died in the 70s, so I'm not part of that beef. | ||
| But it is true that Mexicans and Puerto Ricans hate each other. | ||
| But not me. | ||
| I love everybody. | ||
| Wordsarewords sent $5, there's a connection between Jerome Corsi and Alex Jones, Corsi has been accused of being Mossad or an arm of Israel, maybe that's how Alex knew about 9-11 and Epstein way ahead of time. | ||
| Keep up the good work Nick! | ||
| Mr. Mime sent $10, that other super chatter is retarded, liberals don't understand interest based politics because they don't care about their own interests, they choose political positions based on what they think will win them the most debates online. | ||
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Cheers! | |
| ColaGrowIPER sent $10, thanks for making this stream bearable. | ||
| Cheers to the new year, can't wait to see what else is in store. | ||
| God bless. - Hey, thank you man, glad you liked the stream. - The Kivster sent $3, Hey, if you are still looking for a solution to your problem, you can use Pepto-Bismol, whole A2 milk, and a good candle to settle your stomach. | ||
| Frequent runs are a common problem for me. | ||
| Okay, thanks for that. | ||
| That's not a problem I have, but thanks for the super chat. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Okay, all right Yeah, that's it. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| I'm I've been streaming for as long as I've been alive. | ||
| I've been streaming for five hours That's too much for me because I stream at a very high level And I have ADHD and I'm rambunctious. | ||
| I can't be seated for that long doing doing this But hey, thanks everybody for watching. | ||
| I hope you enjoyed the stream. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| We were a little late Sorry, we were this ever slightest bit late two hours, whatever But thanks for joining us. | ||
| Thanks for watching. | ||
| I hope you like the stream. | ||
| Follow me on Rumble. | ||
| Follow me. | ||
| If you're not following me already, we just hit 50,000 subs. | ||
| Follow me now, bitch. | ||
| Follow me or else. | ||
| Or else I will kill you. | ||
| No, I'm kidding. | ||
| Kidding! | ||
| I'm not threatening anyone with violence. | ||
| That was a joke. | ||
| But follow me here on Rumble. | ||
| And I'll be streaming again on Monday. | ||
| I'll be back Monday doing my show. | ||
| And I want to give a shout out to our Super Chatters. | ||
| Special thanks to I'm Hoplite, Joseph Cazzata, and No Cash. | ||
| Huge thanks to you guys! | ||
| Especially I'm Hoplite for the $1,000. | ||
| Really appreciate it. | ||
| Happy January 6th, everybody. | ||
| Thanks for spending it with me. | ||
| I am going to play us out. | ||
| I'm gonna pick a song here. | ||
| Let's play a little... | ||
| Let's do a little... | ||
| What? | ||
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What am I going to play? | |
| Oh! | ||
| Oh, we gotta do... What's that song that we played for Glenn Greenwald? | ||
| Because it was Glenn Greenwald! | ||
| Well, no, that song actually sucks. | ||
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Never mind. | |
| I thought it was a good idea. | ||
| I hate that idea now. | ||
| Let's play... Let's play, um... Hmm... | ||
| Let's play... We gotta do Beach... I'm feeling Space Song. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Lately, my whole life is Space Song by Beach House. | ||
| Alright, that's it. | ||
| Thanks for watching. | ||
| Have a great evening. | ||
| Enjoy your weekend. | ||
| Happy Patriots Day. | ||
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See you next time. | |
| Happy Patriots Day. | ||
| Happy Patriots Day. | ||
| You held on tight. | ||
| From an empty sea A flash of light It will take a while To make you small Somewhere in these eyes | ||
| Somewhere in these eyes, I'm on your side. | ||
| White-eyed girls We'll get it right Fall back Into Place Fall | ||
| back Into Place Place Place Place Place Place Place Place Place Place Place Place Place Place Place | ||
| Place Place Place Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Let's go. |
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