Sept. 28, 2023 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes
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We'll be right back. | |
| We'll be right back. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| It's me, Nick Fuentes. | ||
| We're gonna be covering the Elon Musk, Ben Shapiro Twitter space. | ||
| It's live right now, so I'm just gonna jump in here. | ||
| Elon Musk, who asked if we could come together for what's sure to be a fascinating and meaningful conversation. | ||
| One of the things that nobody can deny about Elon is that he's willing to speak publicly on pretty much everything, and tonight is no exception. | ||
| Now, most of you have probably seen by now that Elon Musk is at war with the Anti-Defamation League, the ADL. | ||
| It's a group that was once dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism in non-partisan fashion. | ||
| Of late, they've become significantly more partisan in their progressive politics, to say the least. | ||
| Like a lot of progressive interest groups, the ADL would love more controls on dissemination of speech at X. They, like a lot of other organizations, are doing so by pressuring advertisers to move their dollars away from the platform. | ||
| Well, a few weeks ago, Musk posted on X saying that the ADL has been trying to kill his platform, falsely accusing him of being anti-Semitic, They said that if this continues, he said that, that he will have no choice but to file a defamation suit against them, which is obviously pretty funny considering it's the Anti-Defamation League. | ||
| Now, as I said on my show when this was unfolding, Elon happens to be right on the merits here. | ||
| The legacy media, multinational institutions, left-wing interest groups, They have been converging on Elon's X as a supposed source of rising hate speech, and they've been doing so in really opportunistic fashion from pretty much every angle. | ||
| Until Musk took over X, they were largely running things in terms of which messages to silence or quash. | ||
| These institutions are generally in favor of more censorship, more restrictions on speech. | ||
| That censorship has often been used to shut down not merely material we all agree is gross or violent or despicable, but to shut down a bunch of material that doesn't actually meet with approved narratives, whether we're talking about COVID or transgenderism or foreign policy. | ||
| These organizations get what they want on a lot of other platforms like YouTube and Facebook, but they're not getting it at Axe, which is one of the reasons why they're very, very angry. | ||
| So for the first part of this conversation, Elon Musk and I are going to discuss what it takes to preserve free speech, While battling activist third parties, pushing censorship, dictating what is considered, quote-unquote, brand safe for advertisers. | ||
| And then, in the second half of this conversation, Rabbi Dr. Lamb is going to lead a discussion about how the ADL and anti-Semitism affect speech issues, discuss Elon's feelings and experiences regarding Judaism more broadly, and then we'll open it up to some questions from a few esteemed leaders in the Jewish community. | ||
| So, that's enough from me. | ||
| Without further ado, Elon, welcome to your own website. | ||
| Really appreciate it. | ||
| Okay, so we're waiting on Ilani. | ||
| He hasn't responded yet. | ||
| Am I rate limited? | ||
| I can't even see... I can't even load any more fucking tweets. | ||
| I'm rate limited. | ||
| All right, where's Elon? | ||
| Is this still going on or is my account glitched? | ||
| Where is he? | ||
| Did I get kicked? | ||
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Dude. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Unfortunately, I think you inadvertently muted me. | ||
| Well, I mean, that'd be a first, muting you on your own side. | ||
| So why don't we jump into the issue? | ||
| I just wanted to say that your preamble was spot on. | ||
| I couldn't have said it better myself. | ||
| That is exactly the situation. | ||
| And it's absurd. | ||
| I mean, first of all, we've actually been tracking the hasty issues, anti-Semitic or otherwise, and they've gone down since the acquisition, objectively. | ||
| Um, and we've had multiple third parties, uh, unrelated to us, uh, do, uh, this, their own analysis for the full data dump, and they've concluded the same thing. | ||
| So that's also important. | ||
| Uh, so let's just, it's important to start off with some important facts. | ||
| And if someone else is, has, uh, is looking at the, um, you know, the, the, the, the view counts on on on XFK Twitter and has evidence to the contrary. | ||
| I'd love to know what that is. | ||
| But to be accused of something when all the evidence points the other direction and my entire left story is in fact pro-Semitic. | ||
| And Walter Isaacson who I believe is Jewish spent two years with me you know we had complete access to every everything. | ||
| Really, there was like no health bar, nothing. | ||
| He didn't even have to clear with me who he talked to beforehand. | ||
| And I think he might, you know, he's a pretty smart guy. | ||
| He might have picked on it. | ||
| He might have figured it out, you know, if I was anti-Semitic. | ||
| It's just freaking absurd. | ||
| You know, and like a little sort of, you know, a few sort of I actually went to Hebrew preschool, Rachel Spiro, in South Africa when I was a kid. | ||
| Now, I don't know if I'm genetically Jewish or what, maybe somewhere, but I would say I'm aspirationally Jewish, let me put it that way. | ||
| Don't inspire us too hard. | ||
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It's not that fabulous. | |
| I'll tell you some other crazy stuff. | ||
| My name, Elon, is actually a very Israeli name. | ||
| It's like being called Bob in Israel. | ||
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My father took me to Israel when I was 13. | |
| I'll tell you some other crazy stuff because like my name, Elon, is actually a very sort of Israeli name. | ||
| It's like being called Bob in Israel. | ||
| And then I actually, my father took me to Israel when I was 13, which is like a wow game. | ||
| I mean, basically you put this backpack together, it's like pretty, pretty, you know, Jewish adjacent. | ||
| And I went to go to Israel. | ||
| I went to Israel, went to the wall, went to Masada. | ||
| I've been to Masada twice. | ||
| I don't know if any people can say that. | ||
| Oh my gosh! | ||
| This is crazy! | ||
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It's a little rusty, but it's pretty good. | |
| - I would say Muhammad Aguila's the best. | ||
| It's a little rusty, but it's pretty good. | ||
| I suppose at some point we just wish to do a round. - So I want to ask you a couple of questions definitionally. | ||
| So first, I would like to ask you sort of your definition of what free speech is supposed to look like on the platform absent pressure. | ||
| So obviously, you've done a lot in terms of free speech. | ||
| You've personally intervened in cases like for our outlet, What Is A Woman? | ||
| to get rid of restrictions on speech. | ||
| But what exactly should speech look like, especially in sort of gray areas? | ||
| We all sort of agree on no child abuse, no terrorism, no threats of violence, no incitement. | ||
| When it gets to things like hate speech, which has a variable definition, where do you draw the line? | ||
| No, I think that's a very interesting question and a difficult one to solve. | ||
| It's not one with a very easy answer, especially with regard to the exact line of what is or isn't hate speech. | ||
| Because one person's hate speech is another person's free speech much of the time. | ||
| Wow, dude! | ||
| He's like being held at gunpoint! | ||
| But I think we sort of start with the rather obvious slurs and the things that are no-brainers. | ||
| And then beyond that, the general principle... | ||
| Wow, dude, he's like being held at gunpoint. | ||
| They're like holding a gun to his head. | ||
| That's the general principle, Duclair. | ||
| And I think it's the right principle. | ||
| So in the US, we're able to be much more free of speech. | ||
| This is crazy! | ||
| That's less so where we have the choice of either providing the edge platform or it being shut off or throttled. | ||
| And I do believe also generally, like if there is someone harboring, you know, Oh my gosh, dude! | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| And that hate is based on sort of incorrect assumptions or bad knowledge. | ||
| The best way to combat that hate is to hear it and then say why it's not true, as opposed to somebody harboring secret antiserism or some other form of hatred. - Oh my gosh. - Never actually hearing the counterpoints as to why what they believe is potentially false. | ||
| It is false. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And so, you know, then you have all this hidden anti-Semitism, anti-you-name-it. | ||
| You know, I think actually it often is better that somebody says something and then gets dunked on, frankly. | ||
| This is who's in the space. | ||
| Or is corrected. | ||
| This is who's in the space. | ||
| And, you know, like the question, you know, and actually, frankly, it's one of the things I like about the United States, you know, and we need to make sure this remains the case. | ||
| But in the United States, you know, when this this guy leads the combatant anti-Semitism movement, this guy's the CEO of a settlement. | ||
| So you can you can sort of see the dirty laundry for the most part. | ||
| And we can keep it that way. | ||
| And so as long as it may appear that that's something that is bad. | ||
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But actually, everyone else has way more dirty laundry. | |
| They just don't show you. | ||
| So when we talk about, you know, anti-Semitism, for example, appearing on Twitter, you mentioned things like slurs or incitement to violence, or for example, one of the textbook pieces of definition of anti-Semitism is statements that the state of Israel should be obliterated, things like that. | ||
| But when it gets to, you know, If that stuff is out there, you basically have three choices now. | ||
| One is that you ban it. | ||
| Two is that you limit its reach. | ||
| You've talked about freedom of speech versus freedom of reach. | ||
| And I kind of want to drill down with you on what that means. | ||
| And then third is demonetization. | ||
| And I wanted to ask you, you know, what standards of demonetization ought to be used? | ||
| So I suppose that it's the latter two parts that would be amazing in terms of clarity would be the freedom of speech, not reach and demonetization. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, first of all, just going backwards a little bit, demonetization, I should preface this by saying we do lots of dumb things, but these dumb things, as the saying goes, one should not attribute to malice that which easily can be explained by incompetence. | ||
| So we do lots of foolish things, and we want to fix that. | ||
| And a bunch of these foolish things have been in place for a decade, and I can't fix them all at once. | ||
| Um, but we are fixing them. | ||
| Um, so for example, there's, there's a list. | ||
| I think, um, Chai Raycheck was pointing out, just like fixing the system. | ||
| Um, you know, uh, and, and I've looked at this list and it's some of the terms of the list. | ||
| I'm like, look, if that's a bad word, I I'm clearly, um, I need to look up, get Urban Dictionary or something, you know, because I didn't realize it was a bad word. | ||
| That list needs to be trimmed. | ||
| That's the sort of, Hey, uh real quick before we go on everybody at this guy on twitter if you have a twitter account get on twitter at this guy and say why is nick fuentes banned from the front page on rumble i'm one of the biggest streams on rumble right now and i'm not on the front page they took me off the front page i've been live For 15 minutes now, I'm not on the front page. | ||
| I have 3,000 viewers. | ||
| Everybody add Chris Pavlovsky and say, hey, why is Nick Fuentes not on the front page on Rumble? | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Happened last night, too. | ||
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They said they fixed it, but it's still this way. | |
| It's like one sort of article in a sort of medium-sized newspaper is enough to, you know, sometimes I mean, strategically speaking, what do you do about that? | ||
| is what I'm saying. | ||
| A loud noise in the room could scare advertisers. | ||
| You know, I mean, it's-- they're not sort of bold as brass. | ||
| Now-- - For sure. - I mean, strategically speaking, what do you do about that? | ||
| Obviously, we've had experiences with organizations like the Global Alliance for Responsible Media that have tried to leverage advertisers against, for example, our platform. | ||
| I know that those same groups are meeting with X trying to determine quote-unquote advertising standards. | ||
| How do you maintain free speech principles in the face of attempts to do what the ADL or GARM have been attempting to do, sort of control what sort of speech is allowed? | ||
| Yeah, well, we're really trying to hew close to the law in the country, like in the United States and other countries. | ||
| So that's our general principle. | ||
| And for banning things entirely, if something is illegal, well, it's legal. | ||
| And that needs to be banned or suspended or whatever, cut out. | ||
| That's, I guess, sort of fairly obvious. | ||
| Just to continue on the advertising front, though, we right now sort of have a binary on-off switch, which is silly. | ||
| Because there is a spectrum of advertiser bravery, or advertisers not being sensitive to things that actually don't matter. | ||
| So I think we should have really degrees of advertiser safety, kind of like you've got, you know, movies. | ||
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You know, you don't have like a go or no-go for movies. | |
| You've got like sort of, you know, all ages, PG-13, you know, your sort of R and X and all that sort of stuff. | ||
| X-rated, hilarious. | ||
| Is there like a notepad that I can just write on, on a browser? | ||
| So... So this is who's in the space. | ||
| I just want to get it all down. | ||
| Actually, with a cross-tier, where the, you know, the sort of, the sort of safest, safest, as so-called in Corsair... Advertisers who want the safest sort of situation can have that, but then You can just go all the way up to even advertising next to not-safe-for-work stuff. | ||
| Even if it's something pretty spicy, as an advertiser, you should be able to say, well, I don't mind. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| That will cost less per impression or ultimately per sale of whatever they're trying to sell. | ||
| That real estate is not as sought after. | ||
| And so advertisers really should be able to pick, like maybe, I don't know, within four or five gradations, what they consider to be okay, instead of like just a good, bad. | ||
| And I could say, for example, like for Starlink advertising, you know, for the SpaceX Starlink satellite, Fine. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| That'll be a higher return than having all these stringent requirements. | ||
| And SFW, fine, no problem, who cares? | ||
| So, you know, it's really, that'll be a higher return than having all these stringent requirements. | ||
| So, yeah, and then for the actual line on sort of where it's more dubious, it's legal, but it's still hateful. | ||
| You know, the way we're trying to deal with this right now is algorithmically, which is that, you know, If we show people content that makes them want to leave the system, and if they're getting sort of hammered with hate speech, probably they will not like that. | ||
| I'm not doing a good job with this. | ||
| The other is supposed to be showing posts on the X system that are... | ||
| are interesting, informative, funny, and otherwise useful to people on the system. | ||
| Now, it doesn't always succeed at that, but that is the goal. | ||
| So, you know, obviously if we just hammer people with hate, they're going to leave the platform, and that's, you know, we'll lose that sort of customer, I guess. | ||
| And yeah, so that's sort of the basic situation. | ||
| And as I mentioned, the view count, where you say like, okay, how many HB's views have been pre and post the acquisition and they've dropped by at least 30% and I think they're continuing to decline just because we've made the algorithm better. | ||
| More transparent. | ||
| I mean, I've certainly gotten rid of a lot of the bots, and that's helped an enormous amount. | ||
| I remember that same ADL that's targeting you now declared me the single greatest recipient online of anti-Semitism in 2016, and I will say that that has dropped markedly since 2016, including after you took over. | ||
| I did want to ask you, Elon, about one of the issues that's coming up that generally goes to free speech and And you have this, as I mentioned at the top, combination of both private organizations, some of which fundraise, some of which make money off of calling for censorship, and governments that are putting pressure on social media platforms in order to do the work that they really are not legally allowed to do, certainly in the United States. | ||
| And so how can you stand up and what sort of pledges can you make to users of Twitter with regard to these sort of backdoor pressure attempts by both advertisers? | ||
| I mean, I think that your sort of great dated sphere, it helps. | ||
| It's not going to totally overcome, obviously, the power of great consortiums of advertisers who decide that they are, for example, only going to check the box on safe advertising. | ||
| And they're not going to broaden out the spectrum, but price differentials hopefully will make a difference there. | ||
| But when it comes to government, what do you do? | ||
| Our policy is to resist with any intentions to get censorship to the maximum degree allowed by law. | ||
| But in the U.S., by far the biggest pressure comes from essentially, I say, fairly far left activist groups. | ||
| Can I miss anybody? | ||
| Now, you know, and they tend to act in sort of coalitions. | ||
| Like, there's a whole bunch of them. | ||
| And they'll, you know, they'll write, you know, whatever, 16 activist groups, whatever, you know. | ||
| So, we'll have a pack. | ||
| But what they're trying to do there is really oppose left, often extremely far left values. | ||
| on X and other platforms, under the guise of hate speech, but it is in fact a matter of politics, or of views that I think the general public would consider to be somewhere between far left and extreme left. | ||
| and extreme left. | ||
| So it's like really, I mean, it's really disturbing, frankly. | ||
| I mean, and obviously, yes, and you've been, they've tacked you. | ||
| You've been a target many times. | ||
| So, and actually the thing you mentioned, which is like, it's like for me, I'll say like, they're like, oh, there's all this hate speech. | ||
| And I said, well, I haven't seen any. | ||
| Well, okay. | ||
| Then, you know, like the BBC reporter where he was like, oh, the platform is filled with hate speech. | ||
| There's so much hate speech, you can't believe it. | ||
| And I said, well, name one example. | ||
| And he couldn't. | ||
| And I'm like, well, so if there's so much hate speech, you can't name a single example, not even one. | ||
| What's top of the list? | ||
| Oh, nothing. | ||
| I can't even think of anything. | ||
| The overweening panic is obviously political in nature. | ||
| I mean, the fact that you're heterodox politically is clearly one of the driving forces here. | ||
| And that brings me to one final question before I hand it over to Rabbi Lamb. | ||
| And that has to do with some of the other social media platforms. | ||
| So Russell Brand, who obviously is a super controversial figure, but has also come under significant accusations with regard to sexual assault, rape, all the rest. | ||
| He was recently demonetized on YouTube for the accusations that have not even resulted in an arrest as of yet. | ||
| What do you make of social media platforms demonetizing People for things they're doing offline that have not resulted in, for example, criminal charges as of yet. | ||
| Yeah, I absolutely think we should not. | ||
| It should be. | ||
| First of all, I mean, there's there's two process. | ||
| I mean, Russell Branding, I actually checked, by the way, with some friends of mine who work closely with him, women that work closely with him. | ||
| And they said he was actually a gentleman and had a very nice and they did not feel Especially on movie sets, if something's happening on a movie set, news travels fast. | ||
| And people I know say, no, this is not the post-Russell Bryant, it's not a bad guy. | ||
| And then, separately, even if something did happen, there needs to be, obviously, a conviction here. | ||
| it can't be guilty until proven innocent, because obviously then we're just sort of in the witch-burning phase here, which just being declared a witch is enough to make you a witch and be burnt. | ||
| I think this witch-burning instinct might be deep-seated, frankly. | ||
| But we can't have that. | ||
| Because obviously... | ||
| anyone can be accused at any time of false charges, and we can't be destroying their lives on the basis of potentially false accusations. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| And I'm not sure if charges, has anyone even filed charges in the Russell Brown case? | ||
| My understanding is not at this point. | ||
| I believe the police have been soliciting for actual evidence at this point, seeing if they can bring charges, but I don't believe the charges have actually been filed. | ||
| So, Elon, I want to hand it over to you. | ||
| It's a layer of outrageous, you know. | ||
| I do want to hand it over to you. | ||
| He doesn't even have charges, guys. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| And now Russell has obviously been rattling the cage, you know, of the powers that be. | ||
| And these alleged accusations from people we don't know, where there's not an actual lawsuit, why now? | ||
| Because these things happened many, many years ago. | ||
| Why now? | ||
| And it seems like an odd coincidence that it's happening when Russell is really great gaining traction, questioning a lot of the conventional wisdom. | ||
| And, you know, some may say, well, he's promoting conspiracy theories and whatever, but I think we're running out of conspiracy theories that didn't turn out to be true. | ||
| And so, in fact, if... | ||
| For those out there in the conspiracy theory community, we really need some more material. | ||
| What have we got left here? | ||
| Conspiracy theorists of the world, please get creative. | ||
| We need more material. | ||
| Okay, here. | ||
| So at this point, I want to hand it over to Rabbi Lamb to talk, Elon, with you more about Judaism and faith and anti-clericalism. | ||
| Rabbi Lamb, thanks so much for taking up the time here. | ||
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Ben, thank you so much. | |
| Elon, I don't know how far you got in Hebrew preschool, but the communities that Ben and I grew up in, we'd call you Balabias. | ||
| You're the owner of the house that we're a guest in right now. | ||
| So thank you for having us and for engaging. | ||
| Especially because the topic we're in the middle of discussing is a critical one. | ||
| And I'll tell you the funny thing is that I kind of think in some crucial ways this whole topic is to an extent like a red herring. | ||
| It's a distraction from the conversations serious Jewish people of all backgrounds should be having. | ||
| And what I mean by that is On the one hand, combating antisemitism is critical. | ||
| I mean, the Holocaust is still in living memory, for crying out loud. | ||
| But organizations like the ADL, whether they mean to or not, make it seem like that's literally all the Jewish people are about. | ||
| Fighting antisemitism. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Like, here's the thing. | ||
| Like, we are the stewards of quite literally the most influential tradition of wisdom in the history of humanity, beginning with the Hebrew Bible. | ||
| I mean, like the best-selling book of all time. | ||
| And those ideas form the backbone of Western civilization. | ||
| They're at the absolute foundation of the American experiment. | ||
| So when I reflect on this topic as a whole, the question to me is less whether the ADL is good or bad, or maybe just, like, irrelevant, but more... They definitely have an impact on advertisers, I can tell you that. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So I guess, like, Jewishly, but irrelevant, but more, my question is, how is it possible that we ended up in a situation where the vast majority of human beings, certainly in the US, when they think of a Jewish voice, like a voice representing Jewishness, they probably think of like Jonathan Greenblatt, who, you know, you could say he represents no one, but more importantly to me, doesn't even pretend to play in the field of great Jewish ideas and texts. | ||
| Like most Americans say, think of someone like that, rather than thinking immediately of some of the great Jewish minds of today, who are household names for people who study Jewish wisdom on a daily basis, Rabbi Asher Weiss, Rabbi Herschel Schechter. | ||
| Like I truly think if we're going to fight anti-Semitism, then of course there's a role for combating those who hate us, but the majority focus should be on, you know, in the technologist space, what you'd call like our core purpose, our core mission, bringing extraordinary Jewish ideas. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah, visit Israel. | ||
| moral and political conversation in a serious fashion. | ||
| Like it should be a positive effort. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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Like if you, and like, if you really want to combat antisemitism, teach Jewish ideas, like send people to visit the greatest repository of Jewish teaching in history, the currently thriving why you tour.org, like actually talk about great Jewish ideas. | |
| And that's what I, yeah. | ||
| And I want you in to the conversation. | ||
| Like in many important ways, you're probably the standard bearer in our day of the scientific You're one of the living heirs of figures like Francis Bacon, Isaac Newton, William Harvey, and it's not an accident that all those figures placed the Hebrew Bible and its commentaries at the center of their work, and they all studied the Hebrew literature quite seriously. | ||
| And in particular, one of the things they admired about the Bible is the revolutionary idea that human beings are created in the image of God, like in the book of Genesis. | ||
| Because God is a creator, he's an inventor as it were, and so too are we charged with doing the same. | ||
| We have to be creative, we have to be innovative. | ||
| So my question for you is, Like, we normally think of faith or biblical religion on the one hand and technological progress on the other as incompatible, or at least, like, intention. | ||
| There's like a whole Silicon Valley episode about this, but is it possible... Yes. | ||
| I believe they said being religious is borderline illegal in Silicon Valley. | ||
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Right, right, exactly. | |
| But, like, is it possible that that's, like, a weird quirk of the 20th century? | ||
| But like, is that maybe like a weird quirk of the 20th century? | ||
| Like, we really want a robust culture of innovation and technological creativity, so you've said in the past that we need a new philosophy of the future, so would a theory of the human person bearing the divine image of a creative god, of an inventor god, fit that bill? | ||
| Like, should people in 2023... I mean, it really speaks to my heart, I'd say, because as someone who loves sort of inventing and technology and discovering out I mean, discovering the truths of the universe, creating wonderful new things that didn't exist before, wonderful new technologies that help people. | ||
| You know, I think sometimes I hear among absurd things, people saying like, oh, the world today is so terrible. | ||
| You really should read history, okay? | ||
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Because it's awesome. | |
| Let me tell you, you don't want to be in Masada, you know, when the Romans were besieging it. | ||
| That wasn't fun, at all. | ||
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Right, the people who actually started on Masada only got to go there once, that was it. | |
| Exactly, one way trip, you know. | ||
| No, they were super badass and that's why they're celebrated today. | ||
| Like I said, I was there and I encouraged people to visit Masada and to visit Israel and to visit the various holy sites and see these incredible places for themselves. | ||
| I've done that twice. | ||
| I think, just sort of speaking broadly, I think it is good to have a sense of wonder about The universe about this incredible existence that we have. | ||
| Um, I think it is, uh, I think we should be trying to understand it more, trying to understand creation. | ||
| Um, and we should be building beautiful and amazing, uh, technologies that make our lives better and also allow us to explore the incredible work. | ||
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| This guy, Jon Voight, Ken Gerson, Brett Stephens from Jerusalem Post, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Barry Madolson, Sheldon Adelson, Steve Mnuchin! | ||
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understand and appreciate this incredible existence of creation. | |
| Evander Holyfield! | ||
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I want to run a theory of X-Balue. | |
| Let's see what you think. | ||
| So the American political experiment is anchored predominantly in the Hebrew Bible, particularly in the book of Deuteronomy. | ||
| It's by far the most cited work in the political writings of the American founding era, much more than Locke and even more than Montesquieu. | ||
| And it was because the founders looked to Deuteronomy and saw that it lays out a vision for political order, which all the great political thinkers of the Renaissance called the Hebrew Republic. | ||
| Now, Deuteronomy's vision of society is based on four elements, of which the American Founders really explicitly borrowed three, right? | ||
| There's chief executives with limited powers, there's teachers of the law, there's a legislature, And then there's, of course, but there's a fourth element in Deuteronomy that's missing from the American system, and that's the prophet. | ||
| And you can see why the Founders left that out, because it's an engineering nightmare, right? | ||
| Like, practically speaking, it's not something you can build into an institution. | ||
| It's spontaneous. | ||
| It's like a force that's meant to critique institutions or all of society itself from the outside. | ||
| And that's Actually, precisely why profits are so important. | ||
| Like, healthy societies need a mechanism for reflection and critique from the outside. | ||
| So, you need profits, but you can't build them. | ||
| So like, from an engineering perspective, how do you get them? | ||
| So, my question to you, Elon, is this. | ||
| If I were making the case for the importance of social media... One of the rabbi's daughters followed up on her father's theme, when she was 28, she opened a boutique. | ||
| I know, I agree. | ||
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Instead of relying on just a plain free speech argument, we could also say, like, hey, if we're ever going to identify those crucial voices of outside critique... | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You have to have a high tolerance for pretty wide range of weirdos and outsiders. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Like Deuteronomy Warren. | ||
| Also, a game which couples toss dice and receive instructions. | ||
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But if you want to find one good profit, you've got to tolerate a lot of bad ones, right? | |
| She also has boxes with Shabbat candles. | ||
| She applied nothing as vulgar. | ||
| You've got to kiss a lot of frogs before you get to Prince. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| I don't know what to say except that I agree with you. | ||
| There are 613 commandments. - I mean, but like that way, like X, X, When Jewish gay couples tell me they have never been attracted to members of the opposite sex and are just alone, I tell them, you have 611 commandments left. | ||
| That chick should be busy. | ||
| Now go create a kosher home. | ||
| Too much homophobia. | ||
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The biggest threat doesn't come from gay marriage but from divorce. | |
| The reason for the abolition was to help turn, you know, formerly known as Twitter, now X, into being a positive force for civilization. | ||
| And I felt it was increasingly a negative force. | ||
| And a force with the amount of bias and sort of political... | ||
| The two of his children served in the IEF. | ||
| Sort of control, pushing towards values that I think do not align with probably 90% or maybe even 99% of the world. | ||
| And that's really... | ||
| Wow, what a great guy. | ||
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That's one of the guys on this panel. | |
| It wasn't because I thought, well, this is a great way to make tons of money and make my life easier. | ||
| I was fully aware that the acquisition of Twitter was financially dubious. | ||
| Now, at the end of the day, we work with other investors, so I'm going to make sure that ultimately it does pay off for those investors. | ||
| I've been coming into it thinking, wow, I've got a real gold mine of actual Money here, that's not the case. | ||
| Best case scenario, Twitter historically has been a non-profit, essentially. | ||
| Non-profit and they didn't make profit. | ||
| They're supposed to make profit. | ||
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I was just going to say, we need to turn it into a for-profit PH. | |
| Yes. | ||
| So, and I was also aware that I was going to get a massive amount of flack. | ||
| Well, mission accomplished there. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Just to be clear, we have been pretty dumb, slash deluded. | ||
| to have thought that, wow, this is some easy money and what result in criticism by acquiring Twitter. | ||
| That's a hard, so what I'm saying is that-- - Friedman has claimed that the moral way to fight a war is to destroy their holy sites, kill men, women, and children, and cattle. - Of course we're good. | ||
| And increasing them so. | ||
| Something that is useful and entertaining and for the civilization. | ||
| That's the intention. | ||
| I'm glad you brought up this point because the goal is not merely to break even, which would be sort of stopping hate speech. | ||
| It's increasing positive speech and increasing things that you learn. | ||
| No, no, sometimes those things that one learns are sort of unpleasant truths. | ||
| And this is a Jewish agency. | ||
| So this guy is in the space, chairman of the Jewish agency. | ||
| But, you know, so that's the goal. | ||
| That's the aspiration, to make something as useful, entertaining, and in the This guy runs a Jewish settlement that was created by the Jewish Agency. | ||
| This is on the Jewish Agency. | ||
| A force for good. | ||
| A Jewish settlement that was created by the Jewish Agency. | ||
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My last question for you before I hand it off is the first century Roman historian Tacitus. | |
| He had – when he first encountered the Jews, he accused us of being a lazy people. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Well, because our Bible had this crazy idea in it. | ||
| It was the idea of a Sabbath. | ||
| Like, one whole day a week where nobody worked. | ||
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The idea was ludicrous to the Roman Empire, right? | |
| Now, in the end, like, jokes on Tacitus because the Roman Empire collapsed, you know, just like a meme on TikTok. | ||
| Sabbath is absurd, by the way. | ||
| Billions of people across the globe. | ||
| So, like, scoreboard. | ||
| But, aside from that, I'm curious what you, you're like one of the most productive people on the planet by any, like, objective measures. | ||
| So, I'm curious what you think about a revolutionary institution like the Sabbath. | ||
| It's like a regular recurring day of turning work off to focus on core values, like Rabbi Jonathan Sackler called the Continental Times. | ||
| Is that an underrated, overrated, properly rated idea in a high productivity society? | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| I think the general principle of a day of rest is a good one. | ||
| It's a principle that I can't say that I particularly adhere to. | ||
| And this guy runs a holocaust. | ||
| My ratio is more like, well, if I take three days off per year, that seems about right for me. | ||
| People are saying to mute the space. | ||
| But I think for most people it is a good thing. | ||
| And in the modern era, somewhat have extended that to the weekend, effectively two Sabbath days. | ||
| You know, there's a word for it called the weekend. | ||
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Right. | |
| Mission creeped. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in fact, it would seem that one society has not really thought this out as a good idea, but decided we need to double down on that. | ||
| So, you know, and I think that's generally good. | ||
| And I mean, I think if we think about the sort of what's the sort of overall optimization of, you know, It's really saying area under the curve of human happiness. | ||
| So if you take all the humans and their average happiness and how much happiness is that? | ||
| And looking also into the future so that we're not, you know, because obviously one can do things that make one happy in a very short term. | ||
| Let me lower this for a sec so you guys can hear me. | ||
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So... | |
| One of the guys on the space is Rabbi Manicham Margolin. | ||
| He's the chairman of the European Jewish Association. | ||
| This is the mission statement of the European Jewish Association. | ||
| To strengthen Jewish identity and expand Jewish activities in Europe. | ||
| To defend Jewish interests in Europe. | ||
| That's it? | ||
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So, please, both you and Ben, feel free to chime in. | |
| Now, in order for us to be able to hear all of our distinguished guests, we will do it one guest at a time. | ||
| One technical request to all of the speakers. | ||
| After your introduction... Hang on, so we got some guests. | ||
| We'll listen and hear what the guests have to say. | ||
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So that you can be heard. | |
| There we go. | ||
| Our first guest is President Reuven Rivlin. | ||
| President Rivlin served as Israel's 10th president, and he is currently a member of the steering committee of the European Jewish... Is Rabbi Cooper speaking perhaps? | ||
| Or... I don't know who... President of Israel asking a question now. | ||
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Yeah, President Rivlin. | |
| Hello. | ||
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Yeah? | |
| Yes, I'm here. | ||
| Good evening to all of you from Jerusalem and Elon. | ||
| I feel at home once I call you Elon because Elon is a very popular name in Israel. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Okay, do you hear me? | |
| If you hear me, I can go on. | ||
| In fact, after listening very carefully to your words, I have only one question because we are facing the same problems in Israel. | ||
| I don't know if you know, but throughout my career as a politician, as a member of the government, as a member of Knesset, and as the Speaker of the Knesset, the President of the Knesset, and at the end, a leader of the 10th President of Israel after Shimon Peres, I all my life fought for civil liberties, including | ||
| Free speech, civil rights, and also a view as a cornerstone of a free society. | ||
| You know, I think I would like to ask you a question, and it is quite a tough question. | ||
| Where do you actually draw the line? | ||
| Unfortunately, as we all know, antisemites are using free speech All over the world, they are spreading hatred, racism, they are spreading really bad feelings one to each other. | ||
| So my question to you, Alan, is what will be, in your eyes, the case in which Would also we consider and agree, agree together as a person, if a person should not be banned or censored | ||
| By his words, because sometimes in Israel also, we run and we wish to run and we believe that we can run a Jewish democratic state, but we have along with us the Palestinians and people, the Arab-Israeli people, and sometimes There are people in Israel who really believe that a Jewish democratic state means democracy only for the Jews. | ||
| And that is something that we are fighting very, very hard and very, very seriously against those thoughts. | ||
| And we are discussing many times where to draw the line. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I'm open to ideas here. | ||
| I think we're drawing the line currently, maybe not in the best place, but it's not terrible. | ||
| As Ben Shapiro is saying, his personal experience has actually improved. | ||
| I'm aware of that old trope of, I have a Jewish friend. | ||
| I don't have a Jewish friend. | ||
| I think probably I have twice as many Jewish friends as non-Jewish friends. | ||
| That's why I think I have so much respect. | ||
| I think I am Jewish, basically. | ||
| And they use the Xplatform, and I was like, do you guys see anything? | ||
| And they're like, nope. | ||
| It's like, okay, well at least you want to look at things statistically, and then also just confirm that there's not some statistical errors with seeking as many anecdotal points as possible. | ||
| So I think we're actually in a terrible place, and if we want to get to a better place, then like I said, optimizes for the good of humanity collectively. | ||
| And I also mentioned, like, if somebody does express some antisemitic views, within reason, I think you sometimes want to have that be said so that they can hear the counterpoints. | ||
| And if they never hear the counterpoints, then they're going to just be hidden antisemites. | ||
| And that's not going to do it. | ||
| That's perhaps worse. | ||
| A prominent example being Kanye. | ||
| I've talked to Kanye or Ye many times. | ||
| He says he's very Christian. | ||
| There's a reason why Judeo-Christian is often one word. | ||
| It's based on a lot of the same things. | ||
| One of the principles of Christianity is love thy neighbor like thyself. | ||
| You know, basically have empathy for others. | ||
| And turn the other cheek, which is, do not hold a grudge or seek revenge, because... Yeah, Jews never do that. | ||
| If you do an eye for an eye, an eye for an eye turns the whole world blind, as the saying goes. | ||
| Jews never hold a grudge. | ||
| There is actually great wisdom to forgiveness, in order to stop the cycle of retribution. | ||
| And this is generally something I would encourage. | ||
| Everyone throughout the world to think about is the natural instinct is revenge, retribution. | ||
| But then you get retribution, then they get retribution on you, and you have this endless cycle. | ||
| And we want to try to break some of these endless cycles of retribution. | ||
| And that's part of the challenges. | ||
| That's at the heart of many of the challenges that Israel faces, is this feeling, these strong feelings of retribution. | ||
| Among the Palestinians and whatnot. | ||
| So I think those similar principles are very wise. | ||
| I can't say I've been... I think I've made some progress there, to be frank, with the A. So that's perhaps better than just completely excluding it. | ||
| You try to get to the bottom of where is this coming from? | ||
| Frankly, I wasn't clear on where it was coming from in his case, but I did try to say that if you believe in Christian values, then you should act according to them. | ||
| And so, basically, can we turn an anti-Semite into someone who is at least neutral, if not pro? | ||
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Oh my gosh! | |
| Absolutely! | ||
| I really believe that you, as a real somebody, a self-made man by all meanings, and be appreciated by the whole world, can do a lot by defining, of course, and the help to draw a line in order to find the way, in order to make the real definition when we can allow it, when we are talking about | ||
| Civil rights about free speech and when we are talking about incitement and that goes also in all over the world, all over the world and all over the free world. | ||
| We would appreciate really discussing those matters with you because I really believe that you can help a lot. | ||
| In order to bring to the whole humanity into sense. | ||
| And we are looking forward to see you in Israel, because you are doing so much. | ||
| And we are doing something in Israel that could help the entire world. | ||
| And I hope to see you one of these days in Israel. | ||
| And God bless you. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| God bless you, too. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| We'll now move to Rabbi Abraham Cooper from the Simon Wiesenthal Center. | ||
| Rabbi Cooper, please. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
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Rabbi Cooper, please unmute yourself. | |
| And these are just some of them. | ||
| These are just some of them. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Where do we go from here? | ||
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Okay. | |
| Rabbi Cooper. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I hear a very quiet voice. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Is that me? | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
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OK. | |
| Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, please, go ahead. | ||
| Hi, Ilan. | ||
| Can you hear me? | ||
| Can you hear me well? | ||
| Yes, no problem. | ||
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OK. | |
| First of all, let me just tell you, I served as rabbi at Oxford University for 11 years and therefore hosted presidents, prime ministers, captains of industry. | ||
| I say this sincerely. | ||
| There's a famous Talmudic expression that words that emanate from the heart penetrate the heart. | ||
| You can't fake sincerity. | ||
| I have probably never heard as nice a compliment about the Jewish people as the two words, aspirationally Jewish. | ||
| I think you are indeed aspirationally Jewish. | ||
| I'm going to respectfully disagree with my dear colleague, Ben Shapiro. | ||
| I think being Jewish is a wonderful thing. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| We are creatively disruptive. | ||
| There are people who are catastrophically destructive, the Hitlers, the Stalins, and they hate those who are creatively disruptive. | ||
| And you are a creative disruptor. | ||
| Now, so instead of putting you in the defendant's chair, and that you have to That you have to defend against false accusations of antisemitism, which is itself very unfair, and that happens to Israel all the time. | ||
| Israel has to deny that it's a Nazi regime. | ||
| Let me say the exact opposite. | ||
| My apologies. | ||
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Isn't that amazing? | |
| Yeah, so it's not fair to put you in the defendant's chair. | ||
| That's what your opponents are seeking to do, so that you spend all your time... You know, in politics they say that defending is losing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Let me rather talk about some of the creative disruption in terms of Jewish values that you, as a non-Jew who is aspirationally Jewish, is bringing to the world. | ||
| I'm very into values that run the World Values Network. | ||
| Together with the richest black man in America, Robert Smith, the biggest black philanthropist, we created Values University to get people like you to do short videos, talk about your foremost values. | ||
| There are three things that I wanted to quickly discuss. | ||
| I'll go through them and then we can discuss them one by one. | ||
| I love your emphasis on large families and many children. | ||
| Yes, so important. | ||
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I believe it is the last prejudice in society that you can look down at people who have a lot of kids as backward, as neanderthalic. | |
| Yeah, I know, it's terrible. | ||
| Yes, in fact, as you know, yes, I have many children, as did Father Abraham. | ||
| So I'm like, hey guys, I'm actually super pro-human, pro-humanity, I love humanity, and I think it makes me sad when I suspect perhaps some people don't love humanity. | ||
| Like, you know that there's an extinctionist movement? | ||
| Like, there's a guy on the front page of the New York Times, Literally quoted as saying there are 8 billion people in the world and he wished it would be better if there were none. | ||
| That's an actual movement. | ||
| There's an explicit extinctionist movement, which is like saying genocide to all of humanity, which is so crazy I don't even know where to start. | ||
| And it somewhat has people concluding, mostly implicitly, but sometimes explicitly, that humanity is a blight on the face of the earth that must be extinguished. | ||
| Things that Hitler would agree with, except he's more selective. | ||
| This is total madness. | ||
| We should be expanding the scope and scale of consciousness. | ||
| We should be extending to the stars. | ||
| We should be an exciting, space-faring civilization, and to explore and understand the wonders of creation. | ||
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Well, and the very first commandment of the Bible, of course, is to have kids, to appreciate the innocence of children, to appreciate the creativity, the fascination, and everything that you said before about not having revenge in hearts. | |
| Our children, unlike Freud, who saw them as these tiny little narcissists, in Judaism we believe that there's this beauty to kids. | ||
| I have to tell you that the view The photos of you bringing your beautiful little son X to the meeting with Erdogan. | ||
| Now, I'm not here to put you into an uncomfortable position. | ||
| Erdogan is not, you know, a big Jewish favorite. | ||
| He's called us Nazis and Hitler, and he tries to be this strong man, and suddenly you come to this meeting with him holding this beautiful baby, and it's so disarming. | ||
| Like, you're not ashamed to bring your son, your baby son, to a meeting with the head of state. | ||
| And it was a tremendous statement of you leveraging the kind of credibility and power that you've amassed in order to promote the innocence of a child and being a father. | ||
| And I love what you said, how you were raising him. | ||
| Honestly, it was one of the most touching things I saw in the media this year. | ||
| I was kind of saying, I mean, I think people, maybe if they haven't had kids, don't realize that kids are the source of the greatest happiness because, you know, I think for the best yard of people, they really love their children. I think for the best yard of people, they really And when you love something, you derive happiness from their happiness. | ||
| So, you know, it's when my kids are happy, that makes me happy. | ||
| Unfortunately, when my kids are sad, it also makes me sad because it's not all, you know, good. | ||
| But if my kids are happy, you know, it warms my heart and it makes me happy. | ||
| So I actually tell friends, I have many friends who have no children, or perhaps only one, and I really, I'm constantly urging them to at least have one or two, ideally three if possible. | ||
| school. | ||
| And in fact, this is a, I do this so frequently that people already know the subject matter when I'm about to say something, which is you were trying to convince me to have kids. | ||
| Yes, I am. | ||
| I am. | ||
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No, but I love, instead of organizations like the ADL criticizing you, you have done more to promote this idea of children. | |
| You, You have to understand how important this is for Jews especially. | ||
| We are not a proselytizing faith. | ||
| We don't have an army of missionaries. | ||
| So unless we have large families, the Jewish people disappear. | ||
| There were 20 million, 18 million Jews before the Holocaust. | ||
| 6 million were murdered. | ||
| That still left 14 million. | ||
| We haven't grown at all in those 80 years. | ||
| We're still at 14 million. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Because the Jewish birth rate is so low. | ||
| Well, that's sadder than I thought a human could feel. | ||
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As a father of nine children myself, it was very heartbreaking. | |
| The next thing I wanted to go to quickly is So that's the first thing, Jewish values, kids. | ||
| The second is, I was amazed at your conversation with Prime Minister Netanyahu, who I've, thank God, known for 34 years at Oxford. | ||
| He used to come to speak to my students all the time. | ||
| You have a right to kind of take credit for whatever might happen between Israel and Saudi Arabia, because the reason why MBS is probably thinking that he has to really get, in all the Gulf states, the Abraham Accords, moving away from a petrodollar economy is because of Tesla, you know, killing gas driven gas powered vehicles is where the Gulf state started to think, oh, my God, this is not going to last forever. | ||
| And more than any. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And more than any other consideration, I think MBS and and and the shakes of Abu Dhabi and Dubai and Bahrain and, of course, Morocco. | ||
| And Morocco doesn't have the same kind of oil, but they're all thinking that electric cars are the. | ||
| the future and that's the biggest consumer of these i don't know why rumble always so just talk to me about that for a moment has that problem did you did you think to yourself as you develop i know that you speak about sustainable energy but did you also think to yourself as you built tesla and as you um did you think that there might not have been a 9-11 uh back then saudi arabia was spreading wahhabism all over the world that all because of petrodollars did you think to yourself this might bring peace in the middle east you know it's funny you should mention that | ||
| i wouldn't say it was like uh i i did actually i i i Well, let's put it this way. | ||
| I was well aware that it would change the geopolitical power balance. | ||
| Countries that had a lot of oil obviously would not be as powerful in the future as in the past if we have a sustainable energy economy that is using electric vehicles. | ||
| And so, you know, that's rather obvious, is that if you change to a sustainable energy economy, then oil becomes less important. | ||
| Now, I don't think oil becomes There's always going to be some role for oil. | ||
| Everybody like my stream, by the way. | ||
| Everybody like the stream. | ||
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If you're watching, smash the like button. | |
| Remember to like the stream. | ||
| So it's not going to completely disappear, but it will shift the power balance. | ||
| And that is already happening to some degree. | ||
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I just don't even know what the space is at this point. | |
| And yeah, it might have played a role. | ||
| I should say also that generally what I have met with world leaders, | ||
| For what, you know, as much as my opinion is worth, I've generally encouraged them to have a peaceful dialogue with other countries, and I've encouraged heads of state to reach out, not through, you know, their sort of foreign ministry necessarily, or it's often, you know, somebody three levels down in the foreign ministry, but to reach out head of state to head of state directly. | ||
| some of that has been helpful. | ||
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I hope so. - Well, I truly believe the rise of electric cars, which is synonymous with you, is the principal reason why the Gulf states don't. | |
| - Okay, we will now move to the next speaker to-- - I think we might have lost your-- - Yeah. - Maybe my-- We will now move to the next speaker to Natan Sharansky, the chair of the... Apologies, I think we probably need to make some tweaks to the UI on this. | ||
| ...of the combating antisemitism. | ||
| So the Mic On, Mic Off thing isn't completely intuitive. | ||
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We will now move to Natan Sharansky. | |
| Natan Sharansky, please. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| Welcome everybody and Elon, of course, for this opportunity. | ||
| Look guys, As some of you know, I was born and lived and fought in the Soviet Union, where it was clear that there is no freedom of speech and a lot of anti-Semitism. | ||
| And it goes well together. | ||
| Soviet dictatorship would not permit any freedom of speech. | ||
| It will do everything that there will be no Jewish or any other identity. | ||
| Their religion was opium for the people. | ||
| And it was clear that anti-Semitism is needed for the dictator to control its own people. | ||
| So they need external and internal enemy. | ||
| And so Jews are very good internal and external enemy. | ||
| So for me, anti-Semitism was a natural part of the dictatorship. | ||
| But then when I moved into the free world, went out of prison and became a member of the Israeli government, I was surprised to find out that anti-Semitism on the left and the right can be part of the free world, the world of free speech. | ||
| And of course the big shock was when 20 years ago the so-called Durban Conference, the first conference against racism, became the conference of agreeing that there is one This is Rabbi Shmueli, I don't know if this is right. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck to hate science! | ||
| Dude, Twitter fucking sucks! | ||
| I'm rate limited with leaders of the free world. | ||
| Twitter fucking sucks. | ||
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It fucking sucks. | |
| Not only is it like apparently run by Jews entirely now, but also if you don't have an account because the Jews won't let you have one, you're rate limited and you can't fucking see anything. | ||
| Really? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Okay, there we go. | ||
| So this is Rabbi Shmuley who's on the space. | ||
| This is two days ago. | ||
| Uncancelled. | ||
| Kanye has a new album, new collab, still makes millions. | ||
| Somebody leaked another never-released album on Yom Kippur. | ||
| It's like another Yom Kippur War, I guess. | ||
| Another sneak attack. | ||
| And last month, Travis Scott performs with him in Rome. | ||
| Kanye is releasing new music, working with top-tier artists, and making tens of millions from his deals with Adidas. | ||
| His cancellation feels like a month-long pause hashtag Seriously All right, the pull Alright. | ||
| I don't know what keeps happening. | ||
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I just keep disconnecting for some reason. | |
| So let's say the statement like that Israel today does to Palestinians what Nazis did to Jews, it becomes very, very difficult. | ||
| So what my question to Elon is, I'm not especially. | ||
| Can we, between these two extremes, looking for the algorithm, or looking for removing the persons who are speaking anti-Semitism, can we do something like algorithm with communal notice, I think it's called, when somebody says something like this on internet that Israel today is not as of yesterday, there will be a note that take into account this statement under international definition is anti-Semitism. there will be a note that take into account this | ||
| Is it possible to have such an algorithm? | ||
| Yeah, I believe that's what we currently regard. | ||
| There's quite a long list. | ||
| What's wrong with the site? | ||
| It's like the site won't load. | ||
| It's a very long list of terms that are, you know, I think, unequivocally anti-Semitic, and those terms are, you know, cause the algorithm to basically not promote posts that have those terms. cause the algorithm to basically not promote posts that have | ||
| You know, I think one can sort of get into some very fine-grained debates, like, well, you know, is this, does this term, should this term... You know, so, it's not like there's a, you know, there's a bit of a, there's some things for sure are sort of more black and white, some which are a grey area. | ||
| I think the general bias thus far has been, even if it's in the grey area, that it has diminished reach. | ||
| That's the current situation. | ||
| So, I think there is some value to not being draconian, meaning that if someone does sort of express views that could be considered anti-Semitic, that there's, you know, on our platform publicly, that there's then an opportunity for people to convince that person to change their mind, or present facts that they're perhaps not aware of, or rebut absurdities that they currently believe. |
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