Nov. 4, 2022 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes
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Thank you. | |
| Good evening, everybody. | ||
| You are watching America First. | ||
| My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes. | ||
| We have a great show for you tonight. | ||
| Very excited to be back with you here tonight on Thursday. | ||
| We have a lot to talk about tonight. | ||
| A lot to get into. | ||
| And rather than doing a conventional show, we actually have a special guest joining us tonight. | ||
| And sort of spur-of-the-moment thing, but we're excited to welcome him back here on the show. | ||
| We'll be joining Sneako in just a second on a call here. | ||
| And time permitting, we may talk about some things with him, and we may cover a few news stories after our discussion, but we're about to jump on a call with him. | ||
| So let me just get setup let me get on my headset and get on discord and we'll drag him in here let me let me get this all situated and then we'll drag him in all right just give me one second and we'll get set up here okay just give me one sec let me take a look do okay | ||
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Um, and then how do I do this again? | |
| I'm trying to remember how I did it with the camera. | ||
| I'll just jump in the call and then I'll figure it out in a sec. | ||
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Hello? | |
| Can you hear me? | ||
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Yeah, I can hear you, I can't see you. | |
| Yes, here, I'm trying to fix that. | ||
| Give me one sec, let me just... Damn, Nick, you're on Black People Time! | ||
| Ha, yeah, for real. | ||
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Yeah, um, let me just pull this out, and then do this, and then... | |
| What's up, Cozy? | ||
| O7's in the chat. | ||
| Shout out to all the Kruipers, man. | ||
| I stayed up. | ||
| Nick! | ||
| There we are. | ||
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Hey. | |
| Hey! | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| How are you doing? | ||
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I'm good. | |
| I'm tired. | ||
| I've been streaming for a while. | ||
| We were watching some degenerate alcoholic content, but it's funny. | ||
| I don't know what you think about, like, Steve Will Do It and all that. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Never been a huge fan of that kind of stuff. | ||
| You're real into... He's with the NELF guys, right? | ||
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Yeah, I've been hanging out with them a little bit. | |
| They're in the area. | ||
| Plus, they're a fellow Rumbler. | ||
| So, I'm gonna support people on this new platform. | ||
| And, I didn't know you stream on Rumble, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I started multi-streaming on Rumble. | ||
| You know, just because you want to get as much crossover. | ||
| Obviously, this is my main platform. | ||
| But, yeah, I saw. | ||
| So, was today, or yesterday, was that your first stream on Rumble? | ||
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Yesterday was my first stream. | |
| Today's day two and I'm just going strong. | ||
| Been streaming for four and a half hours. | ||
| I'm gonna keep on trying to run it up on this free speech platform. | ||
| I thought you were banned on here. | ||
| I just assumed that you were banned on everything except for Cozy. | ||
| No, yeah. | ||
| I mean, so the thing with Rumble and with some of these other platforms is... | ||
| They do have a terms of service. | ||
| You know, Trump got signed on to Rumble, I think, at the beginning of this year, or maybe sometime last year. | ||
| And for him to come on the platform, they forced them to adopt this, like, big TOS. | ||
| And they haven't banned me yet, but it includes all the things that Twitter includes, that Instagram includes. | ||
| And so, out of an abundance of caution, it's like, well, I don't want to take the same chance with an alt platform as with the mainstream platform, with the, you know, the hate speech terms of service, that aspect of it. | ||
| So, I'm kind of one foot in and one foot out. | ||
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To do a podcast. | |
| I was thinking about people that I could do a Spotify podcast with. | ||
| And I was thinking, yo, it would have been great. | ||
| And Chad, I texted Nick yesterday. | ||
| I'm like, let's do a Spotify podcast. | ||
| How did you get banned? | ||
| I thought that was a free speech platform. | ||
| How did you get banned on Spotify? | ||
| So, you know, they were calling on Spotify to ban Ye and take all his music off. | ||
| And they came on and said, well, we really can't ban his music because his music isn't hateful. | ||
| They said we can only ban hateful hateful content so like podcasts about politics about you know so-called white supremacy or whatever so yeah i mean i'm just yeah i'm banned on everything man you see you see the treatment they're giving to people um what about you are you have you been banned from anything else since youtube and everything back in the summer or twitch twitter tiktok i'm I'm still good on Instagram, good on Rumble, and good on Spotify. | ||
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But yesterday I watched someone made a documentary called The Devastating Demise of Sneeko. | |
| Yeah! | ||
| A leftist with he, him. | ||
| And that was a big hit to my career, first talking to you. | ||
| And even then, they were talking about how you're using me to spread your anti-Semitic white supremacy. | ||
| How I went down the alt-right pipeline. | ||
| I did my show. | ||
| I started my show February 2017, and that was August 2017. | ||
| And, you know, the way that it was advertised at the time was that it was anti-immigration. | ||
| It was about... | ||
| The Robert E. Lee Monument. | ||
| They were going to rename the Robert E. Lee Park and the Robert E. Lee Monument in Charlottesville around the University of Virginia. | ||
| And so, I thought that it was going to be like a mainstream event. | ||
| I was told that Faith Goldie was going to be there, and she used to work for The Rebel. | ||
| The Rebel is like this Jewish publication in Canada. | ||
| They were very, like, soft. | ||
| Gavin McInnes was, I thought, was going. | ||
| I was told Sam Hyde was going. | ||
| So, I was under the impression, because they called it Unite the Right, I was under the impression like all the right-wing people are going to be there, and then I went there and, well, not all those people were there. | ||
| Faith Goldie was there, but then she got fired for being there, and some people never showed up. | ||
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So, you know, I was never on board with the, you know, Richard Spencer and Mike Enoch. | |
| I was never really with that crowd, but I wound up there. | ||
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You know, protesting immigration. | |
| What are your thoughts on that? | ||
| Are you... Do you think differently of me because you know that, that I was at Charlottesville? | ||
| Depends on how much you supported it and how much, like, you... If you didn't know what it was gonna be about, were you there burning swastikas and, like, with the flags and shit? | ||
| No, no, the, um... So, there were two main events, the Friday was the night before, they did the Tiki Torch thing, and that's where they said, you know, Jews will not replace us, and I wasn't even in the city, I flew in the Saturday morning. | ||
| the following morning for the big rally which was at Lee Park and I didn't even get to it. | ||
| I literally, I could probably find my own plane tickets. | ||
| I should probably do that at some point because I've been telling this story for years. | ||
| I probably flew to Charlottesville, I think I got in at like 10:30 a.m., got to my hotel at 11:00. | ||
| By the time I left my hotel, they had dispersed the main rally. | ||
| So I was there for probably like two or three hours, just sort of like looking for what was going on. | ||
| The riot police had already shut off all access to Lee Park. | ||
| And so I met up with a few people that I knew at the time. | ||
| James Alsa, Brittany Venti I saw there, and some other people. | ||
| And then I just went back to my hotel and I flew out the next morning and that was that. | ||
| And since then, people have accused me of being like a Nazi because I was there. | ||
| Well, I was really barely even there. | ||
| And again, I was there because it was anti-immigration and supporting the Robert E. Lee monument, the renaming of the park and the toppling of the statue. | ||
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You're a fan of Robert E. Lee? | |
| Well, I'm a northerner, so Robert E. Lee doesn't mean very much to me. | ||
| You know, Robert E. Lee really means more to southerners, but... And I do like Robert E. Lee for what it's worth, but it's not like I'm a fanboy or something. | ||
| But I am against the destruction of all these monuments. | ||
| I'm against the renaming of the parks and the buildings and military bases. | ||
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What do you feel about all that? | |
| I think it's a part of history. | ||
| And but I'm definitely not a fan of the Confederacy, but I don't think that they should get rid of history. | ||
| But also celebrating these people who are probably for slavery is not the best idea. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, with Robert E. Lee, he in particular is a sort of remarkable figure because he said that he agreed with the cause of the North, but he fought for the South because that was his home. | ||
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That was what he considered to be his nation. | |
| He felt an affinity for, I think he was from what, Virginia? | ||
| Again, I'm not even really a Civil War history buff or anything, but But there are attributes about Robert E. Lee besides necessarily the particularity of the time or his side that was admirable. | ||
| He was a brilliant general. | ||
| He was courageous. | ||
| He was patriotic for his side, for the South. | ||
| And I'm not even a Southerner, but I still respect it. | ||
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And of course— I'm afraid of this type of stuff because you've been at a lot of the biggest protests and the biggest gatherings that most of the mainstream is against. | |
| So do you think about the long-term consequences of this stuff? | ||
| Because if you're truly America First, isn't it better to not associate with these types of events? | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Like Charlottesville and what else? | ||
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And January 6th, obviously you didn't know that it was going to end up like that, but Charlottesville especially. | |
| Well, with Charlottesville, again, it was about, as far as I was concerned, it was about a few things, which was anti-immigration, and it was against this tie to remove all the statues. | ||
| And if you look at where this thing is going, I would probably say, do we have to defend necessarily every single one? | ||
| In a vacuum, maybe not. | ||
| But, as always, them going after these particular, oh, this Confederate General or Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, where exactly do you draw the line as to who is necessarily the most defensible? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But then they go for George Washington the next day, then they go for Thomas Jefferson, then they go for... Right, that's a different story. | ||
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People who are supporting the Confederacy, I can understand them getting rid of that statue. | |
| That makes sense to me because of the direction of the country and being anti-slavery. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| The Founding Fathers, I don't think you can put in the same category as people who wanted to secede from the nation. | ||
| If you're America First, why are you in support of people who are literally anti-America? | ||
| They're trying to leave the country. | ||
| Because it's part of our heritage as a country. | ||
| It's part of our heritage as a nation. | ||
| And there's something about respecting the nation. | ||
| You know, because I got here, my family got here four or five generations ago. | ||
| My family got here after the Civil War. | ||
| And so to me, because I see what you're saying and I get it. | ||
| It's not like I'm not hearing you, but... | ||
| You know, my family got here after the initial colonies were established in the 17th century, after the founding, after the Civil War, which was the deadliest war in American history. | ||
| What is it for me, who, again, ancestors got here after all that, to say, actually, America's not about that. | ||
| Like, these Confederates aren't real Americans. | ||
| The Confederates were on the American continent for hundreds of years. | ||
| The Southerners were there for hundreds of years. | ||
| We may not agree with the cause or the flag, and obviously time has passed and it's somewhat anachronistic, but it's still part of the nation's history, and those people, their ancestors and their descendants are still part of the fabric of the nation. | ||
| And I get what you're saying, like it's not the Confederacy, but to sort of say, oh, well, you know, they were a bunch of rebels or something, it sort of erases very... | ||
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They were. | |
| They literally were rebelling against the country. | ||
| Well, but you have to ask yourself, what is the country? | ||
| They were rebelling against the central government, which they saw as dominated by the North and by industry and by manufacturing, as against the agriculture. | ||
| I'm not in favor of the cause of the Confederacy, not in terms of slavery by itself, or in terms of some of these other arguments about states' rights or whatever. | ||
| I'm through and through to support Lincoln and how he centralized the federal government. | ||
| But, by the same token, to say that they weren't part of America, you know, Georgia was one of the initial colonies. | ||
| Slavery was baked into the Constitution. | ||
| Again, not to say that it's okay, but to say that, you know, because they took arms against the federal government, that that means that they're anti-American. | ||
| Is it anti-American that Donald Trump didn't accept the result of the election? | ||
| Is it anti-American that, you know, people have protested things over time? | ||
| That people say they have a right to bear arms in the event that Is that erasing history or is that just not honoring? | ||
| I don't think their political stance about the government has anything to do with your American. | ||
| If you're American, those are people that fought alongside Washington and fought in the war for independence. | ||
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Some of them fought in Indians way before that. | |
| And then they did take up arms against the government. | ||
| I don't think that makes them anti-American. | ||
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Is that erasing history or is that just not honoring? | |
| Because having a statue of people who wanted to secede from the country is actively honoring people who are against the ideas that the country still represents right now. | ||
| There's a difference between celebrating these people and erasing history. | ||
| That's a statue I can understand removing. | ||
| What do you think about the confederate flag? | ||
| I don't think anybody should wave the confederate flag. | ||
| And it's ironic to me that the people in the South that are very pro-America wave a flag that's literally anti-American. | ||
| Um, I support it, and again, I don't wave the confederate flag. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| As a Northerner? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
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But the flag represents slavery. | |
| I don't think it does necessarily represents it. | ||
| That's not what it represents to the people in the South. | ||
| I don't think that people in the South or elsewhere, because now you have people, you have conservative like country type people flying everywhere in the North, in the West. | ||
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It's not just a Southern thing. | |
| It represents... The only reason that they wanted to secede from the country was slavery was the biggest issue that made them want to secede. | ||
| Well, the antagonism about slavery was really about what kind of government we had, and to what extent the federal government had a right to overrule the laws that are passed by the states. | ||
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You know, I mean, slavery happened to be the substance of it, but fundamentally it was about... Isn't that enough for me to be like, no, if the flag, the substance is based on slavery, no, that flag should not be waived. | |
| I just think that a lot of these arguments are sort of subversive. | ||
| I think that for the most part, because, you know, you said earlier, you have to draw the line between the Confederates and the Founding Fathers. | ||
| Well, the Founding Fathers owned slaves. | ||
| So would you say that the Founding Fathers owned slaves, that's morally reprehensible, America fought a war to end slavery, so we need to tackle the monuments of all the slave owners? | ||
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No, that's not what I'm saying, because the basis of the American flag is that it represents freedom. | |
| And the basis of America. | ||
| The confederate flag is based around slavery specifically. | ||
| That's the leading issue for wanting to secede from the country. | ||
| The confederate flag, can you not say represents slavery? | ||
| I don't think it does, no. | ||
| And I don't think that people that fly it today do that in support of slavery. | ||
| And I'm with you because I'm not, believe me, I'm not pro-Confederate or anything like that. | ||
| I'm a northerner, I'm not culturally, I don't relate to the South at all. | ||
| I don't own a Confederate battle flag. | ||
| I would never fly that. | ||
| It's not part of my culture. | ||
| It's not part of my political sort of culture. | ||
| But I think that, and I'm speaking on behalf of people that do, who are not just in the South, I think they fly that as a symbol of rebellion against the elite, against the central government, against Washington. | ||
| It's more about rebellion. | ||
| And in the same way that George Washington owning slaves doesn't discredit his entire legacy and his status as an American, So too does necessarily the business of slavery totally poison the cause of the Confederacy or the battle flag or these particular generals. | ||
| You could say Robert E. Lee was a great man even if he fought for a cause that maybe necessarily you don't agree with. | ||
| The same is true of the flag. | ||
| Maybe the flag can represent other things and it means actually a lot even to black people who fought on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War. | ||
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So people would be allowed to fly the Nazi flag? | |
| Should they be allowed to? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah, that's protected by the First Amendment. | ||
| Okay, but in Germany, it's illegal. | ||
| And it's pretty understandable why, because it represents... I think it's pretty comparable to the Confederate flag. | ||
| I guess I understand it, but do you support people waving the Nazi flag? | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| No, I don't support people waving the Nazi flag, but... Why do you support the Confederate flag, but not the Nazi flag? | ||
| Because the Nazi flag isn't from our country, you know, and the Nazi flag represents something that's particularly German. | ||
| If you look at National Socialism, National Socialism is a very specifically German philosophy. | ||
| It's altogether separate from the other kinds of fascism on the continent at the time. | ||
| And so for us to fly that here, it'd be like, it's like when these tankies are flying a communist flag, like a hammer and sickle flag. | ||
| I don't think it'd be appropriate to fly that here either. | ||
| Or even a Russian flag. | ||
| I make a joke sometimes out of flying a Russian flag, but I would never do a rally and have Russian flags flying because it's foreign, it's not from here. | ||
| The Confederacy is And put another way, in Russia, they don't apologize for the legacy of Stalin. | ||
| They don't apologize for the legacy of communism. | ||
| important to their ancestors, it's important to their descendants, and they're part of the country too. | ||
| And put another way, in Russia, they don't apologize for the legacy of Stalin. | ||
| They don't apologize for the legacy of communism. | ||
| I like that about Russia. | ||
| They all recognize that Stalin was brutal and that communism was bad and that it killed lots of people and it was horrible, but they're also not going to sort of attack themselves and their own history and say, oh, we're so sorry, that was the worst thing ever, and They choose to focus on the good aspects of their history, and the bad things they're acutely aware of, but they're not going to allow that into the consciousness and poison their own identity. | ||
| And I feel like Germany, it would probably be better if they did something similar to that, because in Germany, they're committing suicide as a country because of guilt over the Nazis. | ||
| America's committing suicide as a nation because of guilt over slavery. | ||
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I don't understand that statement. | |
| How are they committing suicide because of guilt over slavery? | ||
| Because if you look at these, if you look at Germany or if you look at the United States, we are making bad decisions. | ||
| Like, for example, crime right now is out of control. | ||
| Crime is surging in every major city. | ||
| Carjackings are surging in every major city. | ||
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What does that have to do with the Confederate flag? | |
| Here's what it has to do with it. | ||
| Because two years ago, during BLM, you had all these people out there protesting and saying George Floyd had a knee on his neck because the cops are the new KKK and it's an extension of slavery. | ||
| And so because we were trying to placate people and because we were trying to appease or ameliorate our bad history, We decided that we were going to not have law and order. | ||
| We decided that we were going to not have the backs of the police. | ||
| And now it has this terrible outcome and we're all supposed to live with that because we feel bad about bad things that our ancestors did or other people's ancestors did 150 years ago. | ||
| And so, as a country, it's very poisonous to have this constant refrain about our original sin, our country was never perfect, our country was not good. | ||
| It's something that's very damaging to this American consciousness. | ||
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It's a good way to overlook the police, but how does that affect Germany? | |
| How is Germany committing suicide? | ||
| That's a situation where I can understand why they ban that flag and why they try to ban that ideology after what happened. | ||
| Because now, they've gone too far. | ||
| And now, any German that is too right-wing, any German that says, like, we should kick refugees out, they had, during the Syrian refugee crisis, like, millions of people coming. | ||
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An influx of immigration, right. | |
| Yeah, and you couldn't be against it, because you were then perceived as xenophobic. | ||
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As a Nazi. | |
| Which was like the Nazis. | ||
| And so it's like, you know, countries have like an immune response. | ||
| There is a healthy amount of xenophobia, because a country is your home, and a country is the people that are similar and like you, and so when people that are not like you come in, they could start messing up your stuff. | ||
| And so there's a healthy immune response that says, whoa, whoa! | ||
| You know, this isn't a Muslim country, this isn't Syria, this isn't Afghanistan, this is Germany. | ||
| But if you've got this poison pill that says, well, we are fundamentally flawed. | ||
| Well, we are terrible people. | ||
| We have this guilt. | ||
| We have this national guilt. | ||
| It sort of compromises that immune system. | ||
| And basically then international elements, migrants, corporations, banks can come in and basically just have their way with you. | ||
| Because anybody that says we're a nation, we want to assert our identity, we want to assert our interests, they say, whoa, well, remember slavery? | ||
| Remember the Hitler? | ||
| Remember Stalin? | ||
| Remember? | ||
| That's always how they browbeat a nation into submission, so. | ||
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And how do you combat things like racism, very clear racism, because whether, I don't know what you're going to say about that, but slavery, How do you combat those ideas without fully embracing the guilt? | |
| How do you balance that? | ||
| Because after the Civil War, you need to completely change the philosophy of the country. | ||
| You need to change the way that black people are viewed as property. | ||
| How do you balance that? | ||
| And then not have this guilt that fucks up immigration? | ||
| Because you're completely on the side of, oh, this guilt fucks up the police. | ||
| Bro, you can't have black people being treated like property. | ||
| You need a balance. | ||
| What's that balance look like to you? | ||
| Which I think is important because if you're gonna go into the future of politics, you're only looking at the country as a whole and immigration and all these topics, but you're excluding a big portion of the population. | ||
| Which is who? | ||
| Black people? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I would say that it depends on the context. | ||
| I would probably be more in agreement with you, and Catholics historically were, 150 years ago when there were attitudes that were very negative towards black people in the country. | ||
| But I would say now, that's fundamentally different. | ||
| I don't think there is a very substantial racist element in America anymore. | ||
| And if there is, I think it's very marginal, and I think it's blown out of proportion. | ||
| And I say on my show, I make it a point to distinguish what I'm in favor of and what I'm against. | ||
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And here's what I'm in favor of. | |
| I think that everybody should be treated, and I said this at my speech at AFPAC too, which is our big conference. | ||
| I said every person, regardless of their race, should be treated with respect, dignity, equal rights. | ||
| Um, and, and what I'm against is cruelty, prejudice, discrimination. | ||
| I would never say, oh, you're black, I'm gonna treat you differently, you're black, I'm gonna discriminate against you, I'm gonna be mean to you, I think differently about you. | ||
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But we've gotta get specific, because what they say is, you're racist. | |
| And what does racist mean? | ||
| If you ask 50 people, you're gonna get 50 different answers. | ||
| Some people say that if you have too many white people in a given room, that's racist, which means negative towards minorities. | ||
| Some people say that it's impossible to be racist against white people because racism entails— It's a bit of a question. | ||
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Right. | |
| So that's why you've got to be specific and say, well, what do you mean by that? | ||
| If you mean that you're talking about someone being treated unfairly because of who they are, I'm totally against that. | ||
| I'm totally unequivocally against that. | ||
| It's contradictory to Catholicism specifically and Christianity broadly. | ||
| But as far as we need to start tearing down monuments and we're going to change the names of parks— In some cases by mobs, in some cases the government doesn't even do it. | ||
| Like during 2020, it was just people getting in the city and just knocking it down and throwing it in the river. | ||
| We can't have a country that's run by mob rule like that. | ||
| And certainly I don't think that who should have a statue should be dictated by the passions of a mob. | ||
| that are clearly not reciprocating those feelings. | ||
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What do you think black people should think about living in a city that has a Robert E. Lee statue? | |
| Do you think from that perspective? | ||
| Yeah, and again, I understand that in terms of somebody like Robert E. Lee or Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, I think that's a better example. | ||
| Because Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, who was in the Ku Klux Klan, he's another one that they try to defend the statue. | ||
| And that one, I don't know. | ||
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It's like there's a gray area. | |
| How does it make people feel? | ||
| That statue should be taken down, in my opinion. | ||
| That should not be up. | ||
| We should not celebrate these people. | ||
| The statue is celebrating these people. | ||
| I would say that it's it's tricky because and I say that as somebody who listen I'm not it's not like I'm somebody that would be totally welcome in that era I'm Italian and Irish and Catholic the Ku Klux Klan hated all those people it's tricky because Once you start that process again, if you say, well, you're in the Ku Klux Klan, so obviously your statue's got to go. | ||
| Well, you fought for the Confederacy, so obviously your statue's got to go. | ||
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Well, George Washington owned slaves. | |
| Are we really going to say, well, you fought for the side that owned slaves and you owned people? | ||
| And you're going to say that owning people is so much better than Not owning people, but fighting to own people. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And so it's... The problem is it completely pulls the rug out from under our whole history. | ||
| Because, unfortunately, the world is built on slavery, genocide, war. | ||
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There's a difference between erasing history and then honoring... | |
| the wrong people. | ||
| See, where I think it can differentiate is in the school that I went to. | ||
| They had a Thomas Jefferson statue in front of the school. | ||
| And then all the liberals had a big protest to take it down because he owned slaves. | ||
| But his principles were freedom of speech and were freedom. | ||
| So yes, he owned slaves, but you got to look at what his core philosophies were. | ||
| The core philosophies of a Ku Klux Klan member are based in hatred. | ||
| So if we don't support that and we don't celebrate that, then it should be taken down. | ||
| Was Thomas Jefferson's core philosophies pro-slavery? | ||
| No. | ||
| It was freedom of speech. | ||
| So we can keep that up. | ||
| Well, but see, Thomas Jefferson, although you're right, you should read some of the things he had to say about slavery. | ||
| None of the Founding Fathers believed that blacks and whites should live together in America on an equal basis. | ||
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I know that, I know that. | |
| And even some of my favorite people like Malcolm X I really look up to, he thought the same things, that they shouldn't live together, but their core principles weren't based in that. | ||
| It was, though. | ||
| It was, though. | ||
| They did not believe. | ||
| Washington and Jefferson and even Lincoln. | ||
| Abraham Lincoln said, if I could win the Civil War without freeing a single slave, I would do that. | ||
| You know, so is Abraham Lincoln's core principle about having political equality for black people? | ||
| Or was it about holding the Union together under a strong central government? | ||
| I'm just trying to challenge maybe your preconceived notions about these people. | ||
| The point is that the past is filled with sins. | ||
| The past is filled with With these kinds of attitudes and And you could go back to the Bible and you'll find people slaughtering other nations and slaughtering other villages. | ||
| And again, where do you draw the line? | ||
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That's true, but shouldn't you also consider how people idolize these people today? | |
| If you keep a KKK statue up, what does that do today? | ||
| That gives people an idol to look at who support the KKK. | ||
| If you look at the idea of how Abraham Lincoln is represented today, now I'm seeing how that's erasing history because Yeah, maybe people misrepresent Abraham Lincoln if he didn't even care about slavery in the first place. | ||
| But you gotta realize that most people are not going to look at history correctly. | ||
| They have a different representation today, and maybe that's more important to look at how the Normies are going to look at these people rather than what they represented at that time. | ||
| If people think that Abraham Lincoln was Pro-freedom of the slaves, then maybe we should let that go. | ||
| Maybe the preservation of history is not as important as you're making it out to be because just, if you're being realistic, most people are not gonna look back at it correctly. | ||
| History's always changing. | ||
| History's always written by the victor. | ||
| But the and here's the thing, though, is I'm not a southerner, and I'm I don't have any particular affinity for Robert E. Lee or for not a part. | ||
| I have a general affinity because I think that he's a great general. | ||
| So he's he has admirable traits in that way. | ||
| But for the people of the South, it means a lot to them. | ||
| And if you look at the history of the reconstruction. | ||
| A lot of these towns in the South, they cobbled together what meager resources they had. | ||
| Their entire nation was destroyed. | ||
| Their land was destroyed. | ||
| Like, the war happened in the South, not in the North, so all their wealth was destroyed, and then they were occupied militarily by the North for decades and by carpetbaggers. | ||
| And so a lot of these cities, they would cobble together their meager resources and build statues commemorating their brothers, commemorating their fallen, their heroes, their civic leaders, their ancestors. | ||
| And so, that is part of their identity, it's part of the fabric of who they are and what it means to be a southerner or an American to them. | ||
| And the point is, you can't find anybody before the year 2000 that isn't extremely problematic. | ||
| You could point a finger at any monument, Martin Luther King Jr., or Lincoln, or Washington, or Jefferson, and the same standards that you're applying to Nathan Bedford Forrest or Robert E. Lee, They're somewhat arbitrary, because you could point the finger and say equally terrible things about Columbus, about Washington, about whoever. | ||
| And so the question is, are we going to look at Columbus and Washington and others and say, are they a product of their time? | ||
| Are they, you know, part of history? | ||
| We recognize that they're, you know, as everybody is, they're men in time and we're going to recognize their role in our history and their role in the fabric of our country. | ||
| Or are we going to have this totalizing view of, if you don't have the morality of the United Nations after 1991, then you're reprehensible, you're a rebel, you're evil. | ||
| Because we've been taking down a lot of statues and renaming a lot of stuff, and you'd have to go way, way back. | ||
| Muslims couldn't be proud of anybody. | ||
| Christians couldn't be proud of anybody. | ||
| Black people couldn't be proud of anybody. | ||
| White people couldn't be proud of anybody. | ||
| Because the world history is a story of murder and war and slavery. | ||
| And again, if you point to me and say, here's a group that's killing people or doing horrible things today, I'd be the first to go out and say that's no good. | ||
| than that needs to go. | ||
| But taking down these statues, They won't tell you that they want them all to go They start with Nathan Bedford Forrest and what they don't tell you is they hate all of Western civilization They want Columbus to go they want Washington to go they want it all to go and who do they want to build statues of pedophiles Marxists Freaks. | ||
| They're their own problematic people. | ||
| So, you know, that's where it's not just about having a museum. | ||
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My point is that if you want to be successful in politics, part of the truth needs to be compromised. | |
| That's an uncomfortable reality. | ||
| And you see how being as truthful as you are, you see like the restriction that you have. | ||
| So you're the most canceled person, like you're on a no fly list, everything like that. | ||
| If you don't compromise some of these beliefs, you just will never be successful in politics. | ||
| Some of these statues just need to be removed so that you can compromise for the normies, and so that you can make people feel better. | ||
| I know that you want to go completely down the truth, and you don't want to compromise history, and some of these people, everybody represents these bad things, but in order to be successful, and in order to win the popular vote, it's just never gonna work. | ||
| Well, you know, people have told me that a lot about the practicality of it. | ||
| And for right now, I see myself as sort of the second or the third wave here of people that have been trying to set the country on the right course for a long time. | ||
| And right now, people just need to know the truth. | ||
| People just need to wake up. | ||
| And I am less interested in... They won't. | ||
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They won't. | |
| The vast majority of people won't. | ||
| So you need to wrap up the red pill in seven layers of ham to feed it to the vast... There's so many people in this country. | ||
| There's so many different races. | ||
| It's just never going to work like that. | ||
| Think about how many people you're alienating by fully sticking to this. | ||
| Just some things you can't do. | ||
| It's just not going to work. | ||
| And I understand that you don't want to compromise. | ||
| I relate to you on that level, but You just have to and it's the mistakes that we've both made and that's why we're ending up on these alternative platforms. | ||
| Can't you admit that if we had compromised a little bit more and if we had watered it down for the vast majority of people then What's more important would end up in the minds of people. | ||
| We can stick to what's really important and how I could really reach the level of people that I wanted to reach and you could probably reach the level in politics that you wanted to reach if you had compromised some of these uncomfortable truths. | ||
| No, and I think that's a very dangerous conceit because here's the thing, if you're What is going on right now is not passive, it's active. | ||
| America is being ruined. | ||
| We have an elite that hates us, and we have an elite that is wrecking the country because they are putting their own best interest at the expense of the interest of the country. | ||
| They're doing what's good for them, not what's good for America. | ||
| They're corrupt. | ||
| And so, to me, it's a very dangerous idea that if we just played nice, and if we just, like you said, compromised, and softened the truth, and wrapped it up... Played nice completely, but just... | ||
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A little bit! | |
| I don't regret anything that I did to get cancelled and end up on Rumble, but it would have been better for the truth if I had... | ||
| Maybe stream some of it on YouTube and then some of the other stuff on a different platform because ultimately having access to everybody is more valuable than being fully truthful. | ||
| That's part of the uncomfortable truth is that not everybody is ready to hear it. | ||
| Not everybody is going to and you need to compromise a little bit to be successful and to reach everybody that you could reach. | ||
| Because now think about how many people, every time somebody makes a documentary about me, they bring up how you're a Nazi, they bring up how you're a white supremacist, and then immediately a lot of people that would relate to you or could hear your message are alienated because they hear these words and they're turned off. | ||
| And a lot of people are just not ready to hear the truth. | ||
| And the amount of power that all the matrix platforms and the amount of brainwashing that people are hearing, it's just, you can't fight against that without compromising a little bit. | ||
| Unfortunately, it's unavoidable. | ||
| I agree with you that you've got to be strategic. | ||
| I agree with you that you've got to be tactful and you've got to have a concern about logistics and things like that. | ||
| But, and this is what I was trying to get at, you're going against the system. | ||
| The system is going to punish you. | ||
| It's unavoidable that if you're telling the truth in any capacity, they're going to try and strip that from you. | ||
| Your access to the platforms, your access to The money, your access to people is contingent on you not being a threat to the system. | ||
| Look at Ye, look at Trump, look at Andrew Tate, look at Alex Jones, look at you, look at me, look at Bannon. | ||
| There's the only way, and increasingly it's like this, the only way that you're going to be able to have access to these things is if you explicitly submit and bend the knee and say, I surrender to Zog, I surrender to Moloch, You know, I'm not a Groyper. | ||
| I am not an anti-Semite. | ||
| I am not those things. | ||
| And at a certain point there's this time for choosing where you gotta say, the pain box, the social backlash, the whatever that comes with confronting the system, it's baked into the cake. | ||
| It's our job to, well maybe not so much you, cause, and here's the thing, I always said this about you and Tate, This isn't really your job, in the sense that I don't think you see yourself as a political actor, I think you see yourself as an entertainer, and to some extent a truth teller. | ||
| I mean, I'm a political guy. | ||
| And insofar as I'm a political guy, it's a political problem that we've got to push through censorship and media control and all these kinds of things. | ||
| And if it were so simple as just being tactful and just kind of playing it close to the chest, well, people have been doing that for a long time. | ||
| But we've got to be bold and tell the truth and and there are going to be there's going to be misunderstanding and there are going to be consequences but it's our job to push past that you know because you get the most flack when you're flying over the target. | ||
| We can't stop flying over the target because we get flack. | ||
| And I understand from your perspective And I told you this. | ||
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When you got banned on YouTube, what did I say? | |
| I said, don't have me on your show. | ||
| I said, you keep your platforms. | ||
| I said, you go on Twitch and you just play it as safe as possible. | ||
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Right? | |
| I mean, I didn't tell you to go and be a martyr. | ||
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For doing nothing. | |
| I got banned on Twitch for eating a salad. | ||
| Part of the compromise, and I realize this today because my first stream on Rumble, I was saying faggot. | ||
| I said faggot maybe like 50 times. | ||
| Faggot, faggot, faggot, faggot, faggot. | ||
| And then I started thinking about the long term. | ||
| So, what's more beneficial is having more people on Rumble, having more of the normies trickle into here, and wrapping in a little bit of ham. | ||
| And my chat started saying, faggot, faggot, I'm telling you, like, it's better to not say this word, so that more people, because, like, think about how many people are just gonna be alienated by that. | ||
| Think about how many people are just not gonna, so, that's a compromise. | ||
| That's the same compromise I could see in some of the statues. | ||
| Like, maybe, Yes, it's not. | ||
| It's just a word. | ||
| It doesn't mean that much. | ||
| It doesn't mean I'm homophobic. | ||
| It's just a fun word to say. | ||
| But you've got to think long term. | ||
| And if I want more people to come to the Rumble, if I want to reach more people, it's like, okay, do I have to say this word? | ||
| That's the same thing as taking down a KKK statue. | ||
| Well, the problem is that the people that want to take down the KKK statue, I guarantee that the majority of people that want to see that statue go, they also want to see Robert E. Lee go, and I'm sure they want to see Columbus go, and probably half of them want to see Jefferson go. | ||
| So it's like, there's this conceit in politics where you make compromises to Try to win over people that fundamentally disagree with you and never will agree with you and in doing so you'd sacrifice all the people that do agree with you because I guarantee you that all the people that mostly agree with me support the monuments being up and all the people that fundamentally disagree with me want the statue to come down. | ||
| So should I go out there in an effort to appeal to people that think America was founded by slave owners and there's a poison pill from the very beginning? | ||
| Should I make a compromise to win them over, which I never will, and in the process lose the support of the people that do agree with me? | ||
| People that say, oh, I can't believe you'd sell out American history, blah blah blah. | ||
| So, and I'm not trying to shut you down, because I agree with you. | ||
| Like, I'm not saying that you shouldn't be thoughtful about your approach. | ||
| I'm not saying that you shouldn't understand who your audience is and talk to a particular audience. | ||
| And yeah, sometimes you can make a joke and sometimes it's not the time to say faggot or zog or whatever. | ||
| There's a time and a place for everything. | ||
| But I'm just giving you a little devil's advocate here. | ||
| I would only push back and say that's a very conventional political wisdom. | ||
| And what I found since I started this show is that it works in a counterintuitive way. | ||
| That's how Republicans have always thought, is like, let's bend over backwards to win over these black voters, and they never win them over! | ||
| And in the process, they just lose their white voters, which are dutifully ready to show up and cast their vote. | ||
| And it's like, and that's just how it happens to break down for Republicans in particular. | ||
| And it's like, that's not to say that we shouldn't have a party that black people can be a part of, but it is to say, why are we creating a Platinum Plan and the First Step Act If blacks aren't really even going to vote for us, and in the process we lose all the white people that voted for law and order, you know? | ||
| So it's... that's why I say it's tricky. | ||
| That's why I say it's not as simple as... Why can't you apply that same logic? | ||
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If you were telling me before I got my Twitch ban, you were saying, don't have me on, play it safe. | |
| Why can't you apply that exact same logic to your political approach? | ||
| Because I think we're trying to do two different things. | ||
| You know, because me, my whole life was always sort of set up to be this way in a certain sense. | ||
| I'm anti-social. | ||
| I'm an eccentric person. | ||
| I'm an antagonist. | ||
| That's my personality. | ||
| And what I set out to do from the beginning was to be provocative. | ||
| And I knew this was coming. | ||
| I knew this was coming from day one. | ||
| And I knew that I could survive it and handle it and live with it. | ||
| And I think that you're somebody who, you know, you're more mainstream, you're more of a cultural figure. | ||
| And so somebody like you, does it make sense? | ||
| Is it the hill to die on that you want to defend little old me, you know, or a particular view? | ||
| It's a question of what you're trying to accomplish. | ||
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Yeah, probably not. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah, it was good to talk to you, though. | |
| I've been streaming for five hours. | ||
| I'm tired as hell. | ||
| Shout out to Cozy. | ||
| Thanks for this conversation. | ||
| I think this is good. | ||
| We should get more discussions like that. | ||
| Just don't be on Black People Time next time. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sorry about that. | ||
| That's racist. | ||
| You gotta watch your approach. | ||
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Alright, good talking to you, man. | |
| See ya. | ||
| Alright. | ||
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Okay! | |
| Well, there you go. | ||
| That was our conversation with Sneeko. | ||
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Just don't be on Black People Time next time. | |
| Okay, I just pulled up my stream there on accident. | ||
| Alright! | ||
| Okay, well, that was different. | ||
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Let me just get a sip of water here. | |
| All right. | ||
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Well, that was our conversation with Sneeko. | |
| Good to have him on for a chat. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| He's calling me out for being late. | ||
| I had a bad day, okay? | ||
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I had a long day. | |
| But it's true. | ||
| I should have been on time. | ||
| So, anyway. | ||
| Yeah, that was an interesting conversation. | ||
| People are saying L. No, no, no. | ||
| It's not an L. It's not an L. Listen, it's okay. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
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I prefer that. | |
| You know, because he's honest, and if I were only his friend when he comes on and agrees with me, I would be an asshole. | ||
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You know? | |
| If I was like, oh, you know, Sneko's only cool when he comes on and says, oh yeah, you're totally right about everything, I would be a total douchebag. | ||
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You know? | |
| So... And for what it's worth, I get where he's coming from. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| And I think a lot of people feel similarly. | ||
| I think that what he said tonight is actually closer to maybe how your average mainstream person in America feels about those things, and maybe probably most black people. | ||
| So to hear that perspective, to hear his point of view, I don't think he's out of line. | ||
| I don't think he's wrong to say any of that. | ||
| I think it's an interesting conversation. | ||
| I think he's right. | ||
| To some extent. | ||
| But I do think you have to balance these different considerations. | ||
| Like I said, we've been having these kinds of conversations for years on the show. | ||
| When I went to Charlottesville, we were having this conversation about monuments and about that first wave. | ||
| Because there was that first wave back in 2017 when they were coming for all the monuments. | ||
| And then there was that second wave with George Floyd. | ||
| So this has been a cultural phenomenon for some time. | ||
| And I think actually it's maybe the more Um, apparent? | ||
| I think it's maybe more apparent and it's maybe a little bit more obvious to say, oh well, he was in the KKK, of course we want to take a statue down. | ||
| And of course, I think we all understand what people mean by that. | ||
| I think we all understand when people say, we want to take down the statue of Nathaniel Bedford Forrest, I don't think anyone among us is going to say, among us, I don't think anyone among us is going to say, that's totally unreasonable, I have no idea why you're saying that. | ||
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Of course we get it. | |
| Of course we get it. | ||
| Of course we understand the premise. | ||
| I think everybody understands that. | ||
| But you have to interrogate. | ||
| You have to go a little bit deeper. | ||
| And I think it is a little bit more counterintuitive. | ||
| And maybe, and this is why I'm trying to play devil's advocate here and give our side, is maybe it's a little bit more counterintuitive. | ||
| and say that while America's values aren't the same as the values of the Ku Klux Klan, you have to ask yourself, well, who built the statue and why, and why do we have statues? | ||
| And maybe that all may sound sort of silly to say, well, why do we have statues? | ||
| But these are questions that matter. | ||
| Why nations build ornate architecture-wise? | ||
| Why do they build palaces? | ||
| Why do they build great train stations? | ||
| Why do we build the Statue of Liberty? | ||
| Why do we build the tallest building in the world? | ||
| Why do we have statues? | ||
| Why do we have holidays? | ||
| Why do we have heroes? | ||
| Why do we name our holidays after particular heroes? | ||
| These are questions that are actually interesting and it gets to the idea of what is a nation and what is our national identity? | ||
| What does it mean to be an American? | ||
| There are people that would say, well, the Confederacy took up arms against the United States. | ||
| It's anti-American. | ||
| And again, I think all of us would understand that premise. | ||
| I don't think, again, any one of us would say, oh, I totally don't understand that. | ||
| I totally don't understand where they're coming from. | ||
| You understand the argument. | ||
| You get where they're coming from. | ||
| If the Confederates took up arms against the sovereign federal government of the United States, which is the current government, then why would we support their battle flag? | ||
| And the question is, what does battle flag mean? | ||
| And what did it mean to them? | ||
| What did it mean to them then? | ||
| And what does it mean to them now? | ||
| And then you have to ask yourself about principles. | ||
| If the, if the standard, if the principle is that Robert E. Lee supported a political cause, a lost political cause that was against our current regime, Does that mean that he's not an American? | ||
| Does that mean he's not a patriot? | ||
| He's not a part of American identity? | ||
| It begs the question, what is American identity? | ||
| And is American identity wrapped up in the particular regime? | ||
| Is it wrapped up in the particular flags and squabbles? | ||
| There have been a lot of civil conflicts in the history of the nations, in the history of the world. | ||
| There were Russian communists fighting Russian monarchists. | ||
| And a lot of the communists were Jews, for what it's worth, but a lot of them were Russians. | ||
| And would you say that some of the biggest communists in Russia were not real Russians? | ||
| I don't think you could say that. | ||
| Just the same that you couldn't say that the monarchists weren't Russians. | ||
| And that's why I look at Russia as the example. | ||
| Russia has found a way to assimilate all the sort of schizophrenic or contradictory aspects of its history into its identity. | ||
| And they're able to draw a continuous thread through all of it. | ||
| And that's why I use the example of Stalin. | ||
| Stalin was a brutal dictator who forced a famine that killed millions, and the collectivization of agriculture is what did that, and he stubbornly persisted in it, even though the results were disastrous from the outset. | ||
| And I think almost anybody would say that Stalin is in hell, that he was an atheist, that he died in the war. | ||
| Marxists really cared about Marxist theory. | ||
| But Russia has found a way to create a thread between Peter the Great, and Catherine the Great, and Nicholas II, through Stalin, through the others, through to the present day. | ||
| And what do they say about Stalin? | ||
| They say that he industrialized Russia. | ||
| He gave Russia the nuclear arsenal. | ||
| He defeated Hitler. | ||
| Because Germany, the rise of Germany, was a menace to the continent of Europe. | ||
| And I don't, I say that in a neutral way. | ||
| I say that in a neutral way that just speaks to the dynamic of rising German power on the continent. | ||
| The rise of Germany in the second and third wave of the Industrial Revolution completely reoriented the balance of power in Europe and threatened to destabilize a century of peace, which was established after the Napoleonic Wars. | ||
| And it posed a real threat to Russia, as we know, particularly Hitler's Germany. | ||
| And so I don't say he defeated the Nazis because the Nazis are, oh, they're like the boogeyman under the bed, but Russia and Germany have this historical rivalry. | ||
| And so Putin tells a story about Stalin that he brought Russia from a agricultural country to an industrial country, from a non-nuclear country to the preeminent nuclear superpower, and who defeated the age-old adversary of Russia. | ||
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And from a Russian perspective, those are all good things. | |
| And of course the Russians know about communism. | ||
| Of course the Russians don't want to repeat communism. | ||
| Of course they understand better than we do. | ||
| But it was funny, I talked to a Russian journalist, I'm not going to say who, but I talked to a Russian journalist in Florida earlier this year and And I said, what do you think about Joseph Stalin? | ||
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And she said, Joseph Stalin killed my family. | |
| He took everything my grandparents had and he put them in prison. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, so you don't like Stalin? | ||
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And she goes, well, it's just complicated. | |
| She goes, it's complicated. | ||
| Joseph Stalin put her fucking grandparents in the gulags and took all her shit, took all her grandparents' shit, and she said, well, it's complicated. | ||
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She said, He punished my family, but he has this complicated legacy. | |
| And that's what I like about Russia. | ||
| They see themselves as a family. | ||
| They still see a coherent national identity that they all participate in. | ||
| And they understand that history is messy and complicated and there are forces outside of the control of individuals. | ||
| And so do you apologize for Stalin for the rest of your life? | ||
| And do you focus in on the bad and say, well, Stalin was horrible, well, the historic sin of communism, and we're going to apologize to Africa, and we're going to apologize to the Middle East, and we're going to apologize to Central America and Asia? | ||
| Or do you recognize that these ideas and these ideologies are things that possess peoples and nations, and what matters are the peoples and nations more than the ideas, sometimes, and the particular flags or regimes or whatever? | ||
| And the Confederacy, then, Represents not the cause of slavery, actually, to me. | ||
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Someone who's not a Southerner, by the way. | |
| The flag, the battle flag of the Confederacy, and the memory of the Confederacy, as I'm sure any Southerner would tell you, and anyone who flies that flag would tell you, it's not about owning people. | ||
| It's not about the chattel slavery of Africans or blacks. | ||
| It is about their identity. | ||
| It is about their distinct Cultural identity. | ||
| You could say they're distinct sub-national identity, which is unique and is distinct and has its own history and has its own way. | ||
| The agricultural society of the antebellum South is completely different than the North. | ||
| And who am I, as somebody again who my ancestors came here four or five generations ago from Italy and Ireland and Mexico, who am I to come in here through Ellis Island or through Texas and start finger wagging and saying, you're not a real American. | ||
| The people that fought and bled, the people that fought and bled. | ||
| In Tennessee, in Virginia, and all across the country over the course of the Civil War, the people that watered the soil with their blood and the blood of their fathers, the people that settled this land initially and fought the Indians and built the first settlements and that made a civilization here, and then they fought a civil conflict about the direction of that and what it was going to be like, it matters less the particulars of that struggle or the substance of that | ||
| Issue at the time, it matters more their distinct national identity. | ||
| That they were fighting. | ||
| And that they were fighting as Southerners, side by side, under that flag. | ||
| It's not my identity. | ||
| It's not my nation. | ||
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Before I went to Charlottesville, I had never been to that part of Virginia! | |
| Before I went to Charlottesville, I think I had been to D.C. | ||
| one time in 8th grade. | ||
| And went to Arlington, Virginia on that trip. | ||
| So I don't, as far as I can recall, I don't think I ever had even been to Virginia before Charlottesville. | ||
| With the exception of a field trip in 8th grade and a college visit my senior year of high school. | ||
| So I show up to Charlottesville with the Robert E. Lee monument, the Robert E. Lee statue of a foreigner. | ||
| I've never been to North Carolina. | ||
| I've never been to South Carolina. | ||
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I'm not a southerner. | |
| You all know that. | ||
| You all know that for better or for worse. | ||
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But in spite of that... | |
| I will defend their identity. | ||
| I will defend their heritage. | ||
| I will stand up and speak out, even though it's not mine, and even though, as you know, I cannot relate to it. | ||
| I can't eat grits, and I can't do it, okay? | ||
| I can't ride a horse or wear the cowboy hat and do all that. | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| I am not a farmer, as you know. | ||
| I'm not an outdoorsman. | ||
| I can't go hunting and fishing, and I'm a Catholic, not a Protestant. | ||
| In spite of this, They are completely a part, obviously, of the American fabric, cannot remove them from the American fabric. | ||
| Their story, their history, their culture, their way of life, their heroes, their flag, their lost cause. | ||
| Sort of this quixotic lost cause, their struggle. | ||
| And to say that, well, they took arms against the federal government, well, who cares? | ||
| When all is said and done, the particular causes of those days wither and die away. | ||
| What remains is the blood, what remains is the flag, and the buildings, and the holidays, and the culture, and the memory, and those things. | ||
| And those are the things that are worth preserving as statues. | ||
| And honestly, I understand how black people might feel a certain way about that. | ||
| I think I understand that. | ||
| I can't fully understand though because I'm not black and it is important for white people to recognize that That we don't have that and I'm not listen. | ||
| I'm not trying to go faggot leftist mode here. | ||
| I'm really not but lately I've been trying to have a little bit of understanding because I've been talking to sneak go and I talked to these other guys and I've been talking to black people and I | ||
| Um, and for what it's worth, although I disagree with them fundamentally on a lot of things, and we come from very different walks of life, and although I'm not going to go full leftist mode about it, it is important, it is important, generally, generally, to listen to other people and to try to understand where they're coming from. | ||
| Now, That doesn't mean that they're gonna get away with murder, literally. | ||
| That doesn't mean that we're gonna chalk up everything to, you just don't understand, you didn't grow up as a black man in America. | ||
| I'm not saying that that means that we can't have our own opinion on these things and we can't exercise reasonable judgment about what they're saying. | ||
| But, but, but, you know, put yourself in the shoes of a black person Their ancestors were literally brought over here as slaves. | ||
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That kind of sucks, doesn't it? | |
| And believe me, you've heard what I've said on the matter on this show for years. | ||
| I know, I know, I know. | ||
| We can't let the guilt over slavery hold us back. | ||
| And I know that the Jews ran the slave trade. | ||
| And I know that slavery actually wasn't even as cruel as people make it out to be. | ||
| You know, when you watch this stuff like 12 Years a Slave, it totally ignores the reality that most of the institution of slavery was actually somewhat magnanimous, was actually somewhat benevolent. | ||
| And if you look at the People in the South and their slaves. | ||
| It doesn't excuse the fact that they owned people. | ||
| I don't think that's okay. | ||
| That they owned people on the basis of them being black and they were designated in a legal category as second class or not human. | ||
| I don't think that's okay, obviously. | ||
| But the idea that this was a relationship that was based on malice or based on cruelty or anything like that, I think that flies in the face of what slavery really was. | ||
| But nevertheless, in spite of all that, how does it feel then to be a black person and your story in America is you were brought here as a slave, and your ancestors were literally owned by white people, and we can debate about the historical record about the KKK and these kinds of things, and I think it's a little bit more complicated than most people understand actually. | ||
| Again, I say that not as somebody that would support racial killing or racial violence. | ||
| I'm obviously against that. | ||
| But there's sort of a complicated history there with Reconstruction and the particular political situation between the end of the Civil War and the beginning of the 20th century. | ||
| Without getting into the weeds on all of that, the point is, We can be reasonable and we can be rational and we can understand the facts while also being empathetic to how other people feel. | ||
| The question though is, are we going to ruin our country? | ||
| Are we going to, are we going to fundamentally destroy the monuments of some people so that other people can feel better? | ||
| And maybe the part that I agree with with Sneko on is that there should be some kind of a compromise. | ||
| I think that some kind of a compromise is okay, but I would be on the side of, I would be against destroying monuments. | ||
| The compromise for me would be, you want to create a monument to Frederick Douglass? | ||
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Then fine. | |
| You want to create a monument to Martin Luther King Jr.? | ||
| Then fine. | ||
| You want to create a monument to Malcolm X? | ||
| Then okay. | ||
| That would be, rather than, let's tear down the statues of all the transgressors, which we'd tear down all of them, I would say if there's a give on the other side, then maybe you say, alright, let them have their Malcolm X statue, let them have, because I wouldn't be in favor of an MLK statue, I wouldn't like that, but they would. | ||
| So maybe that's the compromise, I don't know. | ||
| People are saying it's so over. | ||
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No, it's so over. | |
| It goes back to what is, uh, you know, what do we really believe? | ||
| Because people say, well, they never compromise and see that that's the kind of mentality that I don't really like this reflexive and it's tricky. | ||
| Because Sneko, I can tell, is a good guy, who means well, and he is sincere. | ||
| And for a guy like Sneko, I would say, yeah, you're obviously arguing in good faith, and I can meet you halfway, and I'm empathetic. | ||
| It's tough, because he's a friend of mine. | ||
| And so when he says that, I take what he says seriously, and I listen to what he says, and I don't agree with it. | ||
| But I say, hey, well, he's my friend, and I do have respect for him, and he's an American. | ||
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I think he's patriotic. | |
| So it's hard for me to just slam the door and say, nope! | ||
| Nope! | ||
| No, you're just wrong. | ||
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You just don't get it. | |
| No, we're keeping the monument. | ||
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You know what I'm saying? | |
| But on the contrary, you do have all these people. | ||
| You do have a lot of people that are not good faith. | ||
| You do have a lot of, and that's what I was trying to spell out. | ||
| Is that you have a lot of people that are bad faith. | ||
| That they want to see all the monuments go. | ||
| They hate white people. | ||
| They hate America. | ||
| They hate our history. | ||
| They don't just hate Nathan Bedford Forrest. | ||
| They don't just hate the KKK. | ||
| They hate George Washington. | ||
| They hate Lincoln. | ||
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They hate Nixon. | |
| They hate Trump. | ||
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They hate me. | |
| They probably hate you, you know? | ||
| And so it's not so so that makes it tricky because Because there is a side that doesn't want to compromise and that's probably the vocal and maybe even the dominant position on the other side is they want all the monuments to go and they're willing to do it outside the law. | ||
| They're willing to go out there and just topple it with a lynch mob and kill cops and harass white people on the street as they did during BLM. | ||
| And so when you look at it like that, you're like, hell no, we're not taking any monuments down. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| But then you do get people that are well-meaning, I think, who are arguing in good faith, who, you know, it probably does offend their conscience to some extent, and they can't get over slavery and these kinds of things because it's deeply offensive to them. | ||
| So that's where it becomes a tricky issue. | ||
| Now the idea about the political viability of it, I obviously disagree. | ||
| I obviously don't see the argument that we should take the monuments down. | ||
| And in my ideal America, there wouldn't be monuments to MLK, but there would be to Robert E. Lee. | ||
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Full disclosure. | |
| The question concerning political feasibility, now that I just totally disagree with. | ||
| That I'm just totally against. | ||
| I think that And I've said this a lot lately on the show. | ||
| I think it's basically gaslighting to say that, you know, you can't win if you tell the truth. | ||
| If you tell the truth, you're gonna lose. | ||
| You gotta couch it, you gotta hide it, you gotta bury it in irony, because people are stupid. | ||
| It's like, well, it's because people are stupid that you gotta tell them the whole truth. | ||
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Believe me. | |
| You think you know what average IQ is? | ||
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You don't. | |
| Everybody who watches this show maybe thinks that they're around average or a little bit above average. | ||
| But if you're watching this show, if you're really interested in politics, if you're interested in deep politics, you're probably not average IQ. | ||
| You want to see average IQ and people that cluster around average IQ? | ||
| Go to a YouTube comment section. | ||
| Watch an advertisement on TV and realize that an average IQ person is going to find it funny. | ||
| Watch a GEICO commercial and realize that your average IQ person is going to say, that guy got hit in the head with a coconut! | ||
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That's your average IQ. | |
| So on the question of the monuments, I actually do think it's a little bit tricky because I'm not a southerner and I'm not black, so I really don't have a dog in that fight. | ||
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I'm an American. | |
| And as somebody that's neither a southerner nor black, I would say, why don't we just have black monuments and southerner monuments? | ||
| And we can have Columbus too, and we can have all the monuments of all the constituent peoples in America, so long as they're not totally against what we believe. | ||
| But on the question of that's going to hold you back from politics, my mom tells me this. | ||
| You know, a lot of people tell me this. | ||
| And frankly, in no disrespect, but it's people that haven't been doing this for as long as I have and haven't been in it. | ||
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I've lived it. | |
| Okay, now I'm not black and I'm not a southerner, but I am a political dissident. | ||
| And maybe more so than anybody. | ||
| And I've been doing this for... I've survived a lot longer than other people. | ||
| I survived longer than Richard Spencer. | ||
| I survived longer than all the big names from 2017. | ||
| I made it out, and they didn't, as dissidents. | ||
| And I know all the big ones, too, and I have all their respect. | ||
| So I do know what I'm talking about here, and this is my wheelhouse, and I can give you an expert testimony on this. | ||
| And I will say with all due respect, That people that say that you've just got to compromise, I think they just don't know what they're talking about. | ||
| And it's counterintuitive, and it's probably not apparent from the outside looking in, but as somebody that has been through it, and went to Charlottesville, and lived through that, and lived through that response. | ||
| And for what it's worth, Sneko's gotten some pushback, but we're talking about he lost a YouTube channel. | ||
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And Rumble existed! | |
| And God bless! | ||
| Good for him, I'm glad! | ||
| He got banned from YouTube and God bless, he lives in a time when Rumble is just right there for him to stream on right after. | ||
| That didn't exist when I got banned from YouTube. | ||
| There was no Rumble, there was no Odyssey, there was no Cozy, there was nothing! | ||
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There was DLive, which was... totally not the same. | |
| Um, and again, I'm not trying to say that to undermine him, I'm not trying to say that to be a dick, but I'm saying... | ||
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But I am saying listen up now. | |
| Now listen up because this is my lived experience. | ||
| I've been a canceled guy for many years. | ||
| I've seen a lot of it. | ||
| And I've known the people involved. | ||
| I've been in it on the platforms, in the movement. | ||
| I've known people in the administration. | ||
| I've known people in the furthest parts of the dissonant right. | ||
| I've been to the conferences. | ||
| I know all the big names. | ||
| I talk to them all the time. | ||
| So I know what I speak here. | ||
| And I will tell you that the conceit that if you just moderate your views that you'll go farther, it's one of the biggest misconceptions. | ||
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And I understand why people think that. | |
| I totally get it. | ||
| I thought that way once, too, at the very beginning. | ||
| But as somebody that is extremely successful in this space, as somebody that has survived and has been able to carry over a large audience to a dissident platform, and build a dissident platform, and build a conference, and probably the most successful dissident in America who is not compromised, I will tell you that it is a total misconception that if you just didn't say this, if you just didn't say it like that, then you could avoid the worst of the consequences. | ||
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It doesn't work like that. | |
| And you look at all the... It doesn't matter how big or small. | ||
| It doesn't matter what walk of life they come from. | ||
| You can say that about anything. | ||
| If only Kanye didn't say that thing about George Floyd during that interview. | ||
| If only he didn't say Jewish media. | ||
| If only he didn't say slavery was a choice. | ||
| If only he didn't wear the MAGA hat. | ||
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Then what? | |
| If only Trump didn't say illegals are rapists. | ||
| If only he didn't call for a Muslim ban. | ||
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If only he didn't say grab him by the pussy. | |
| If only he didn't say shithole country. | ||
| If only he didn't... Then he'd be fine. | ||
| If only Alex Jones didn't do Sandy Hook. | ||
| If only he didn't... debate David Duke. | ||
| If only Tucker Carlson didn't make those comments on the shock jock show. | ||
| If only Matt Walsh never said that, uh, 16 year olds, you know, it's not, you know, that's not the end of the world or whatever he said about that. | ||
| You could say that about anybody. | ||
| You could say that about literally anybody. | ||
| If only they didn't go here, say this, associate with this one. | ||
| And it's like Kanye said, who invented cancel culture? | ||
| The Jews. | ||
| Well, that's not what he said. | ||
| He said, who do you think invented cancel culture? | ||
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And the implied answer was Jews. | |
| They run the media. | ||
| They control the ADL. | ||
| They run Hollywood, okay. | ||
| They run the financial sector. | ||
| The idea that you're gonna pull a fast one, the idea that you're gonna have access to their system while undermining it in a really clever way, it's been tried before. | ||
| But what happens is fundamentally they draw a line and they say, are you our bitch or are you against us? | ||
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And I'm not willing to say I'm a bitch. | |
| That's a difference. | ||
| You can create this calculated ambiguity, right? | ||
| Which is to say you create this air of uncertainty about what your real views are. | ||
| You couch your real message in layers of ham. | ||
| You obfuscate it. | ||
| You obscure your message. | ||
| I've heard that before. | ||
| But eventually what they'll do is they'll draw a line. | ||
| They'll draw a firm, fine line and they'll say, are you with us or are you against us? | ||
| And I will tell you a hundred thousand percent, everybody that's in the system has to get on their knees at some point and swear their loyalty. | ||
| Everybody's got to bitch out. | ||
| Everybody that's not punished. | ||
| And it will happen to them. | ||
| If it hasn't happened already, we'll have to bitch straight up. | ||
| This idea that you can maintain that for a long time while telling the truth, And your audience understands what you're saying, eventually they're going to yank the leash. | ||
| Because look, again, people are stupid. | ||
| You can't be very subtle with what you say. | ||
| And so, you cannot say something that your audience is going to hear that the Jews and the elites are not going to hear. | ||
| And when they hear it, they're not going to like it. | ||
| They're going to want you to lose your platform. | ||
| So this idea that you can maintain this game forever, where you're your dog whistling, you're maintaining this coy message, but also you're down low or whatever, doesn't work. | ||
| And they don't like that. | ||
| Eventually they yank the leash. | ||
| People are saying, El, what's the El for? | ||
| Press L if you're loyal to Nick. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I thought you were saying L to me. | ||
| Eventually, they yank the leash and they say, are you our bitch or are you not? | ||
| And people say, yes, yes I am. | ||
| And take a look at Ye. | ||
| Ye's going off on the Jewish media and everybody that has a job in Khan Inc. | ||
| can't talk about it. | ||
| They can't. | ||
| Candace Owens can't have him on her show. | ||
| Now how effective can she be? | ||
| This is an opportunity. | ||
| This is a world historical moment. | ||
| An opportunity when we can wake people up. | ||
| When black people really are waking up on this. | ||
| And other people too. | ||
| But specifically black people because Ye is speaking their language here. | ||
| And Candace Owens could be at the front lines talking about Jewish power, but she works for Ben Shapiro. | ||
| And I like Candace Owens! | ||
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I think she's courageous. | |
| I think she's brave. | ||
| But she works at Daily Wire, and we know the restrictions that comes with, and so she can't be fully in defense. | ||
| When Ye got his deal canceled by Adidas, she said, well, Adidas can cancel whoever they want, but they better pay him. | ||
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What? | |
| They can cancel whoever they want? | ||
| No, they fucking can't. | ||
| That's a totally horrible society. | ||
| They didn't cancel them, the ADL canceled them. | ||
| And I know she knows that. | ||
| And again, I think she's more courageous than most, and I like her. | ||
| We know that on some level she can't really fight side-by-side as a soldier of Ye because of who her boss is. | ||
| And that just goes back to the Yank the Leash. | ||
| Now, some people can do that, and I think it's a real debate. | ||
| As always, in any political movement, you always have that debate about tactics, about how pure, how extreme, what are the tactics? | ||
| You always have that debate. | ||
| They have that debate in the Middle East, they have that debate in Russia, they have that debate everywhere in the world. | ||
| Where you've got politics and you've got sides. | ||
| You've got people in either side saying that we should be more explicit or more implicit. | ||
| We should be more aggressive. | ||
| We should be more conservative. | ||
| We should use more extreme tactics. | ||
| We should not use extreme tactics. | ||
| If we do certain things, it's going to create an equal response. | ||
| If we don't do things, we're not going to advance. | ||
| That's always a debate. | ||
| I'm a radical. | ||
| I'm an extremist, okay? | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I like that, uh, you ever see that movie, the Star Wars movie, Rogue One? | ||
| And I don't like that movie, but I really like the character that's played by, uh, what's his name? | ||
| Who's that black guy? | ||
| I forget his name, the actor. | ||
| But he plays Saw Gerrera. | ||
| And I remember on Star Wars they go, Saw Gerrera, he's a terrorist! | ||
| He's an extremist! | ||
| He's a radical! | ||
| And I like to think of myself as that! | ||
| I like, not like I'm a terrorist, but I like to think of myself as Saw Gerrera. | ||
| Where I'm like, too radical for the rebels. | ||
| I'm too radical for the rebel alliance. | ||
| Boyega, no, Forrest Whitaker, that's right. | ||
| With the weird eye. | ||
| I like to think of myself as the guy where even the rebels are like, he's an extremist! | ||
| And they go to my cave dwelling with my loyalists and I've got my robot suit. | ||
| I like to think of myself like that. | ||
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So, I'm like Saw Gerrera. | |
| That's who I really identify with. | ||
| And anyway, I haven't seen Clone Wars or Rebels, so I don't know the whole lore. | ||
| I only know I'm from Rogue One and from the new show, Andor. | ||
| But in any case, I definitely believe that more aggressive tactics are called for right now. | ||
| And that you have to face the pain box. | ||
| You have to face the social repercussions. | ||
| Yeah, I will be misunderstood. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people aren't going to get it. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| A lot of people are. | ||
| And if I can inspire Intelligent people. | ||
| If I can inspire thousands of intelligent young men to get involved and be more clean-cut than me, then I'll have done my job. | ||
| I don't see it as my job to be the sanitized functionary that is going to actualize this on the policy level every day. | ||
| I don't see... I see myself as the icebreaker. | ||
| I see myself as the giant ship. | ||
| The giant, unstoppable, ice-breaking ship that breaks the ice. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| That smashes through the ice. | ||
| and allows the other ships to go through. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Okay, let me just take a look here. | ||
| I... | ||
| All right, I think I'm back. | ||
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Sheesh. | |
| Let me see. | ||
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We good? | |
| All right. | ||
| Oh man, it just gets better and better, man. | ||
| I had such a long day today, too. | ||
| You know, I didn't sleep last night and I had these service guys coming over to do work on this thing at 8 a.m. | ||
| They said the window was 8 a.m. | ||
| to 12 p.m. | ||
| Okay, so I finished my show last night at like 2 or 3. | ||
| I said, I'm not going to be able to wake up at 7 to get the call if they show up at 8. | ||
| So I said, I'll just stay up. | ||
| So I stayed up. | ||
| I waited 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. | ||
| The window is 8 to 12. | ||
| They were supposed to be here for 2 hours. | ||
| Well, they get here at 1245. | ||
| And again, I'm thinking they're gonna be here for two hours. | ||
| They leave at 7 o'clock! | ||
| They were here for six and a half hours! | ||
| I have not eaten one thing since 7 a.m. | ||
| this morning. | ||
| And I haven't slept since yesterday. | ||
| So, so they wrapped up and I still had a few more things to do. | ||
| And then I slept for like two hours and I woke up at 11. | ||
| And then I yelled that, oh, you're on colored person time. | ||
| I know! | ||
| I didn't want to be late tonight, but I had a long-ass day. | ||
| That's why I missed the Yoba stream. | ||
| Because they're drilling and they're doing stuff, and I gotta be here and it's loud. | ||
| So... Ugh, such a long day. | ||
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And then my internet. | |
| And then my fucking internet goes out at the very end. | ||
| And I haven't even eaten anything. | ||
| Oh, I've taken a few sips of this and I haven't eaten since, uh... | ||
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I haven't eaten in 17 hours. | |
| So anyway, um... | ||
| So I see my role as different. | ||
| There are plenty of people that are playing it safe. | ||
| There are Tucker Carlson's out there. | ||
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That already exists. | |
| There already are people that are giving a fraction of the right message and so on. | ||
| My job is, even if it's just to wake people like Sneako up, that's what they never understand. | ||
| They never understand my impact. | ||
| I always get this, I will wake somebody up, you know, or people like me, and they get it, and then they'll go, oh, but other people are, I get it, but other people are too dumb to get it. | ||
| So you gotta dumb it down for all those other people? | ||
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It's like, but you get it! | |
| But you get it! | ||
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If you get it, clearly something- I did something right. | |
| You know, thousands and thousands and thousands of people will get it, and then they'll say, well, but all these other people aren't gonna get it. | ||
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It's like, well, you're- not everyone's gonna like you. | |
| But the goal is that you win people over, and if you can influence influencers, then somebody else is gonna say it in the right way. | ||
| I can only be me. | ||
| I can only live authentically. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Listen, I'm smart. | ||
| I'm not that clever. | ||
| I can't put a performance on every day. | ||
| I'm not an actor. | ||
| I'm a real human being. | ||
| And I know that people might say, oh, that's cheesy or that's naive or foolish, but it's just true. | ||
| I'm not that guy. | ||
| If I were that guy, I'd be a fucking congressman. | ||
| I'd be on Fox News. | ||
| I'd be in Turning Point. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Shucking and jiving in the big house for the man. | ||
| But that's not me. | ||
| That's not on my heart. | ||
| To be that guy. | ||
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I can't do it. | |
| I'm not an actor. | ||
| I loathe insincerity. | ||
| I loathe... You know, I can't do this show the way that I do it if I'm holding something back. | ||
| You know? | ||
| The idea that I could go live every night and spill my guts to you and tell you about my eccentricities and make the risky jokes that I do or other jokes and give you this political commentary and these higher ideas and my feelings about God or about the world, I couldn't do that if I was not an open, If I was not an open book, wearing my heart on my sleeve, if I wasn't a real human being. | ||
| The idea that I could just flip a switch and just sort of just sand it down around the edges and present something sanitized and totally corporate and people go, well I'm not saying to do that. | ||
| It's like, well you kind of are. | ||
| You kind of are. | ||
| I can't focus on making people happy and focus on Being a certain persona and be me! | ||
| I can't do both! | ||
| I can either focus on expression, I can either focus on authentic expression and express myself as authentically and precisely and in the most artistic way possible, but I can't do that if I'm holding something back. | ||
| I can't do that if I'm withholding something and saying, well, but I'm not going there, but I'm lying to you, but I'm really whatever. | ||
| So, that's not who I am. | ||
| Some people can do that. | ||
| Some people, that's their strong suit. | ||
| That's not my temperament. | ||
| That's not my personality. | ||
| I gotta play to my strengths. | ||
| And what's my strength? | ||
| I'm the Nutcracker. | ||
| I'm the Nutbuster. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| I'm the Nutcracker. | ||
| I'm the Ballbreaker. | ||
| I'm the Ballbuster. | ||
| The Nutbuster. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| I'm that nigga, and it's my job to come on here tough and strong and heavy and provocative and fucking loud and bombastic. | ||
| That's who I am. | ||
| And it's not going to be for everybody, and yeah, it's maybe not even going to be for most people. | ||
| But the hope is that it's going to be the song, it's going to be the prophetic song that is going to inspire maybe the people that can do that, that are a little bit more I never set out to be the leader of anything. | ||
| I only set out to tell the truth. | ||
| I never set out to be president of the United States or the big political compromise maker. | ||
| I set out to be the guy that is the voice of reason. | ||
| I set out to tell the truth. | ||
| I set out to correct the record and say there's a big part of the story that everybody's missing, and people can do with that information what they want. | ||
| The style is provocative, it's punchy, because it's interesting to me. | ||
| It is a little edgy and it is spicy, you know, because to me that's flavorful. | ||
| I'm not... I could go on and I could do the NPR thing, believe me, I'm capable of it. | ||
| It's boring to me. | ||
| I like it funny. | ||
| I like it interesting. | ||
| I like it real. | ||
| I like it raw. | ||
| I like it exciting. | ||
| And that's my style. | ||
| And the substance of it is the truth. | ||
| And I can cater to a particular audience like on No Jumper or whatever else. | ||
| I'm perfectly capable of being charitable in a particular conversation, but as far as my show, it's a project. | ||
| It's a project of self-expression, so... Anyway, so that's that. | ||
| I guess we'll move on to take a look at our Super Chats. | ||
| That's, uh... You know, I don't really have time to cover anything else here, so we're gonna move on. | ||
| We'll take a look at our Super Chats and see what you have to say about the conversation. | ||
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But, um... | |
| But yeah, I thought it was an interesting conversation, but um... Yeah, I obviously disagree. | ||
| I obviously disagree, but that's okay. | ||
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You know? | |
| And like I said at the beginning, it's a sign that we are friends, I think, and that we respect each other, that we can disagree. | ||
| And, you know, and I'm not trying to bludge. | ||
| I'm not trying to beat him down and say, well, actually, I'm just trying to tell him my, cause you know, he was kind of asking me some tough questions. | ||
| He was kind of probing me a little bit, which I'm fine with. | ||
| I'm a big boy. | ||
| I've been doing this for six years. | ||
| Of course, I've, you know, I've got answers for it, but I'm not trying to beat him down and say, actually, I'm right. | ||
| I'm right. | ||
| I'm right. | ||
| I'm trying to listen. | ||
| I'm trying to see where he's coming from. | ||
| Um, and I do disagree. | ||
| And, and what I would say is that it seems like, You know, maybe it's getting to him a little bit, the censorship. | ||
| And people are talking trash about him, and I get it. | ||
| It's a very difficult thing. | ||
| I went through it too. | ||
| And, um, you know, there was this big nasty video that some asshole just made about him, calling him, saying that I was using him and I'm this evil guy. | ||
| And, and it was his big demise. | ||
| And I, I, I get it. | ||
| That's like psychological warfare, man. | ||
| It's not fun. | ||
| It's not pleasant, it's not easy, and so, I get it, you know, I've been there. | ||
| To lose all your platforms in a few months, to go from being the fan favorite to being attacked relentlessly like that, it sucks. | ||
| And I told them this, I said, I told them, I told them by text, because you know, people are always telling me, you know, you're reckless or whatever. | ||
| And I'm not gonna spill the beans on our private conversations, but my advice to him, even on the stream when he started to get censored, I said, don't die on this hill. | ||
| I said, you're an entertainment streamer. | ||
| Just don't talk about this stuff. | ||
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You don't need to. | |
| That's my, I'm doing that. | ||
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That's my job. | |
| I already exist. | ||
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Your job is to be funny. | |
| Your job is to be entertaining. | ||
| And, and to the extent that, you know, you're going to wake people up on, on a cultural level, like Andrew Tate did to some extent. | ||
| Um, you know, but by all means, but, you know, but you're not doing yourself or anybody else. | ||
| In other words, Nobody expects you, nobody would say that you have an obligation to go and sabotage your own platform and get censored on everything, you know, because you want to talk about conspiracy theories this week. | ||
| That's not, not everybody is going to do that, you know, so. | ||
| So I told him when all that was going on, I said, I said, play it safe. | ||
| Don't violate the TOS. | ||
| I said, you should delete your stream with me. | ||
| You should probably just delete all your streams. | ||
| Don't lose your YouTube. | ||
| It's like your biggest asset. | ||
| But you know, I told him to be, I said, he said, you know, I don't really want to talk to you on stream anymore. | ||
| I said, and you shouldn't. | ||
| I said, stay as far away from me as you can, because it's going to cause problems for you, whatever. | ||
| So I mean, I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| And I understand maybe he's having second thoughts or maybe he's questioning. | ||
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You know, I get it. | |
| He's taken a look back at the past couple months and he's thinking about it critically. | ||
| He's thinking, who really is this Nick guy? | ||
| What did I really get myself involved with? | ||
| I get it, you know, and all I can do is just be honest about it and tell him what I believe and where I'm coming from and, you know, and he's his own man, he's his own guy and he's got his own independent, he's got his own life and he's got his own experience and he's got his own thoughts and everything so I'm not, you know. | ||
| But that's sort of my read on it. | ||
| I think that he's maybe looking back at the past few months, and it's like I predicted. | ||
| He's probably looking at me and thinking, who the fuck is this guy? | ||
| I was on TikTok, I was blowing up, now they confiscated my money on YouTube, now I'm banned from everything. | ||
| Who the fuck even is this guy? | ||
| Who the fuck even is this racist? | ||
| And man, I should have never said all that stuff. | ||
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You know, I get it. | |
| But I would hope that he doesn't buy too much into that because, you know, you know, because I think what he did was was courageous. | ||
| I think it was brave. | ||
| And I think that we have got to be part of this generation that's going to lead the charge. | ||
| You know, look at Kanye. | ||
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He's our hero, man. | |
| Kanye is our hero. | ||
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Look at what Kanye is doing. | |
| He has lost Adidas. | ||
| He has lost Gap. | ||
| He has lost billions. | ||
| Look at everything that you think you have something to lose, you think I have something to lose. | ||
| Look at what he had to lose. | ||
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And he forfeited it all. | |
| And same thing with Trump. | ||
| And all these guys. | ||
| So, and if Snitko's having second guesses, here's what I'll say. | ||
| I never have. | ||
| Because I look at these guys and I say it's a worthwhile cause. | ||
| God gives and God takes away. | ||
| Ashes to ashes and dust to dust. | ||
| We're not taking anything with us when we leave here. | ||
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You know? | |
| The Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away. | ||
| Everything that I have, everything that I built up, is from God. | ||
| And if I lose it all, well, God can take it all away. | ||
| I was dust. | ||
| I was ashes and dust. | ||
| And that's where we're all going. | ||
| Without the life of the Spirit, without the Father. | ||
| And when I look at Trump, and when I look at Ye, and when I look at other people like that, I see that. | ||
| And I'm willing to put it all on the line, too. | ||
| And money, money, fame, status, you know, all these other things, all these other surrogate or secondary things that we're working towards, I just don't care about them. | ||
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I don't. | |
| If I cared about money, I wouldn't do this. | ||
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I haven't been making any money in the last two years. | |
| I've been, you know, because this site costs a fortune to run. | ||
| And, you know, so, and it's not easy with our payment situation. | ||
| I was never in it for the money, and I was never in it for the power, and I was never in it to be liked, and I was never in it for people to become fans. | ||
| I was in it because I wanted to tell the truth and I wanted to express myself and show everybody what's true. | ||
| And I know it's not easy, and I know it sucks. | ||
| And not everybody's going to be all the way committed because not everybody wants to be a political martyr or whatever. | ||
| But for what it's worth, I think it is valuable that people like Sneeko and Tate and Yay and others, who I all see in a similar category, are doing the right thing. | ||
| Trump has sort of lit a fire in all of us in a certain way, and he's this nuclear bomb of inspiration that has started this whole universe here. | ||
| And so Sneeko being on Rumble, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. | ||
| Obviously it'd be better for him money-wise that he was on YouTube, but is it better for humanity if everybody's a slave to YouTube? | ||
| That's the question. | ||
| That's the question. | ||
| People are always saying, don't ruin your life, don't ruin your prospects, don't ruin your money, play it safe, don't go against the system. | ||
| And yeah, that'll probably be better for people now in a limited way, in a narrow way, but is that better for humanity? | ||
| That YouTube and the ADL have all this power and the power of fear? | ||
| Is it better for humanity that everybody's afraid and everybody's sensitive and everybody doesn't want to speak out and everybody's so ignorant? | ||
| At a certain point, somebody, even if just one person, has got to stand up. | ||
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Alone. | |
| And be the one to give it up. | ||
| Be the one to go, like I did, to Seville, or to January 6th, or create cozy, or do AFPAC, or say the things you're not supposed to say, or go on Rumble, or talk about the Jewish media, or run for president as Trump did in 2015. | ||
| The question is, what can we do for humanity? | ||
| What can we do for society? | ||
| What can we do for America, as opposed to what we can do for ourselves? | ||
| And that doesn't mean be suicidal. | ||
| That doesn't mean be a kamikaze. | ||
| You still gotta be smart. | ||
| But what can we do as individuals to better humanity? | ||
| What can we do as individuals to better America? | ||
| That's the question. | ||
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So anyway. | |
| So that's that, but it's an interesting, it's a thought-provoking conversation. | ||
| I'm glad he came in there and asked about that, because he kind of challenged me, you know? | ||
| He challenged me. | ||
| I wasn't really ready for that. | ||
| I thought he was going to come on and we were going to talk about Kyrie Irving, which we will now talk about tomorrow. | ||
| I had that planned for tonight, but Sneeko wanted to, you know, we were going to do a collab last minute, so I will talk about Kyrie Irving in the latest tomorrow. | ||
| I thought we were going to Chat about that. | ||
| I texted him, I said, hey, is there anything you want to get into tonight? | ||
| He said, no, let's just chat. | ||
| And he came in here like, you were in Charlottesville, what's that all about? | ||
| I'm like, whoa! | ||
| Not like I'm not open and ready, and hey, I like it. | ||
| It's thought-provoking. | ||
| It forces all of us to think. | ||
| Here's the last thing I'll say, then we'll get on into the super chats. | ||
| Don't be afraid to think. | ||
| Don't be afraid to be challenged. | ||
| You know, I saw a lot of people in the live chat, I was a little bit disappointed. | ||
| Sneeko was voicing his opinion, and a lot of people were saying, oh, L Sneeko, oh, it's over, whatever. | ||
| I was a little bit disappointed. | ||
| You know, because free thinking means that you've gotta challenge yourself, and other people should challenge you. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, I don't agree with it. | ||
| But there's nothing wrong with... I don't think it's... I don't think we should be afraid of sitting down and talking to somebody, even if they're just playing devil's advocate, or even if they believe it. | ||
| To argue and to suss it out. | ||
| I think it's valuable. | ||
| Because for him to ask those questions and say, you know, where is the line? | ||
| And he asks good questions. | ||
| That's why he's very good. | ||
| Because if you notice, whenever he does a guest appearance, whether he's interviewing or they're technically the interviewer, he's asking the questions. | ||
| That's how you know he's a smart guy. | ||
| Because people that are curious and people that ask good questions, And then listen to the answer? | ||
| That's a very high IQ activity, actually. | ||
| And so whenever, and I always find myself like, on the back foot, I always find myself rambling and giving answers, and I want him to talk, you know, he's like a guest on my show, I want him to talk, but he just, you know, he's asking me, what do you think about this? | ||
| What about this? | ||
| What about that? | ||
| Well, what do you say if someone says this? | ||
| he's got a very that's that's I would call that like the tinkering mind you know it's sort of like concepts are like a Rubik's Cube and you're kind of like shifting it around and seeing you know does this solution work does that solution work what if we went this way what if I tried this pattern that's it that's a sign of a high IQ so Um, so I actually appreciate that. | ||
| I'm actually glad we had the conversation because then it forces me to like, well, oh yeah, let me, let me revisit this one. | ||
| Let me think through it. | ||
| Let's, let's suss out what, what we're really debating here. | ||
| What do we mean when we say these things? | ||
| What do we mean by America? | ||
| What do we mean by a monument? | ||
| Why do we have monuments? | ||
| Let's, let's compare and contrast with the legacy of other countries and its contemporary political impact. | ||
| You know, it's, it's interesting to get back into that. | ||
| So, um, So anyway, so those are good talk, good conversation, good show. | ||
| That's better, you know, because I could go on the show and just talk about the, you know, the same stuff that we all agree on every night, you know, or we can have actually an interesting conversation with someone who's smart and who's good faith and who disagrees. | ||
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It's valuable. | |
| So anyway, so I appreciate it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, let's take a look at our Super Chats. | ||
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Let's see what we got here. | |
| Let's see. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let me pull up our Super Chats. | ||
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All right. | |
| Yeah, let me know what you think. | ||
| Let me know what you think about that conversation and everything. | ||
| Africa Mance is just saying Stiko had 3k but Cozy Chat was flying way faster. | ||
| Bots, by the way. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I know, right? | ||
| Everybody says that. | ||
| Well, not everybody. | ||
| You got, you know, Sour Grapes, Destiny, and others. | ||
| They can't win the argument, so then months later they go, well, I just think he's gay and his views are bonded. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| You know, you weren't saying that in the Russia debate. | ||
| I wonder what happened in the interim, you know? | ||
| You started to lose the initiative and then it turned out that it was all fake and gay the whole time. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| So, yeah, but it just goes to show. | ||
| Anyway, but I want to hear, what is your take on all that? | ||
| I thought it was a good stream, actually. | ||
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Good content. | |
| Johnny Kroon sent $4. | ||
| I'm sorry for the stupid duck joke last night. | ||
| Forgive me? | ||
| Okay, that's even more cringe than the joke. | ||
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Yeah, I'm aware of Bone Thugs-n-Harmony. | |
| I'm not a huge fan. | ||
| - Yeah, I'm aware of Bone Thugs and Harmony. | ||
| I'm not a huge fan. - Gail Bra sent $3. | ||
| What feels better, sneezing or pissing after holding it for so long? | ||
| In your humble opinion. - Probably pissing. - No. | ||
| Been loving all your off-the-goop rants these last shows. | ||
| Please never get back on a normal sleep cycle, King. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, it's a product of mania. | ||
| It's a product of manic-depressive episodes. | ||
| Manic-depressive mood cycles and mood swings based on adrenaline. | ||
| So yeah, thank you. |
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