Sept. 10, 2022 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes
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| First. | ||
| You are watching America First. | ||
| My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes. | ||
| We have a great show for you tonight. | ||
| Very excited to be back with you here tonight on Friday. | ||
| We have a lot to talk about tonight. | ||
| Lots to get into. | ||
| Our featured story is about the European energy crisis, which has now been ongoing for a couple of weeks. | ||
| And a big meeting was held in Europe this week about whether or not to cap the amount of Russian gas that they'll be importing from Russia this winter. | ||
| And the talks were completely unproductive. | ||
| There's no way they can cap the gas, there's no way they can limit the imports, and they're all fighting each other. | ||
| And so the Hungarians and the Polish and the Eastern European countries who are more dependent on the Russian gas are fighting all the Western European countries and they're basically discovering that they don't have any options. | ||
| In case you haven't been paying attention, Russia has been shutting down most of the natural gas that they export to Europe through their pipelines, which is causing energy prices to soar. | ||
| And this is causing widespread civil unrest. | ||
| Massive protests in Prague, people refusing to pay their energy bills in Italy. | ||
| In the United Kingdom this week, they're passing a law where they're going to cap the price of energy in the United Kingdom. | ||
| In Germany, a recession is imminent because businesses are terrified they won't be able to afford to run their businesses. | ||
| They won't have the energy to do it. | ||
| And this is all, of course, a response and retaliation for Europe's continued support of Ukraine in the Russian-Ukrainian war. | ||
| And this has always been the check that Russia has held over Europe. | ||
| Europe despises Russia, and Europe wants to destroy Russia, but yet Europe is completely dependent on Russia for their energy. | ||
| And that's not something that they can just change overnight. | ||
| The natural gas has got to come from somewhere. | ||
| And it's going to come through the pipelines that have been built, the infrastructure that's been there. | ||
| They can't just build new pipelines overnight and there's not enough liquefied gas that they can import in the world that exists at the moment. | ||
| So they've got no leverage. | ||
| They've got nowhere to go. | ||
| Russia has exercised its nuclear option. | ||
| It's threatening to completely cut off Europe from natural gas. | ||
| And the Europeans have come up with this plan that they say, well, you can't cut off our gas because we're not going to import that much gas. | ||
| Well, the problem with that is what little they're getting, they need! | ||
| They can't get it from anywhere else. | ||
| And it's causing all kinds of havoc, inflation, recession, civil unrest, and there's nothing they can do other than capitulate. | ||
| So, we'll talk about that. | ||
| That'll be our first story, actually. | ||
| And then because it's a casual Friday and there's not really much else going on in the world, I want to talk a little bit about destiny. | ||
| And so if there's any DGGers out there, the DGGers, the Destiny Gang, they're gonna want to watch this one. | ||
| And anybody that's been following the Destiny Fuentes feud, friendship, the loving best friendship, but also rivalry, but also the feud. | ||
| Uh, there's been a little bit of drama lately over one of Destiny's friends who got flagged down on YouTube. | ||
| Some have accused me of being responsible for that somehow, even though I never encouraged anybody to flag him. | ||
| And that's caused a little bit of a row. | ||
| And so Destiny reviewed my show from last night today on his stream. | ||
| And I want to review his review of my show tonight on this stream later. | ||
| So that's gonna be our other story. | ||
| I'm gonna review that. | ||
| It's a casual Friday. | ||
| You know, it's more of a low-key show. | ||
| Hang on, I think I got a sneeze coming. | ||
| All right, okay, we're good. | ||
| So it's a casual Friday. | ||
| It's a low-key, chill, relaxed show. | ||
| So we'll do a little content review, and I want to react to the clip. | ||
| And in case people... I don't know if I want to get all into it, because I can't really introduce it without explaining the whole thing. | ||
| And I don't want to explain it twice. | ||
| But basically his buddy, Mr. Girl, got his channel banned on YouTube. | ||
| Destiny is blaming that on me and saying that now he's trepidatious to continue talking to me because of that. | ||
| And I said on my show the other night, I said, well, that just doesn't even make any sense. | ||
| I said, and that sounds like a convenient excuse to ice what's been going on lately, which is that we've been talking to Sneako and we've been talking to Destiny and other creators I said, you know, me and Destiny were supposed to have a big debate on Tuesday, and he just sort of quietly backed out of that. | ||
| And he's telling Sneako these things and other people, and it really doesn't even make that much sense. | ||
| He's saying that, well, his friend got reported by somebody on my site, and we don't even know that that's why the friend got banned, but that's what's being insinuated, and somehow that | ||
| Implicates me somehow I'm responsible for that and that's why he can't debate me on the JFK assassination I don't know that that any of that adds up, but So we talked a little bit about that on the super chat section last night and destiny responded to that I essentially said that That's a convenient excuse to bow out of the debate Which I think it is. | ||
| And I think that if you look at the details, his story just doesn't really quite fit with the facts. | ||
| And we'll go through that and review some material tonight. | ||
| And I'm going to be honest. | ||
| I'm just going to tell you where I'm coming from on that. | ||
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Because... | |
| Apparently he was offended that I said that he was being dishonest. | ||
| I said, you know, look, it's it's a little bit of a dishonest. | ||
| It seems like a ploy, essentially. | ||
| And he seemed a little bit offended by that for me to say that he was being dishonest, but we're gonna review some other clips. | ||
| He's basically been calling me a liar since we began this whole thing. | ||
| I think it's very rich. | ||
| You know, I've been reviewing some of the posts on the forum and I've been reviewing some things on Telegram and You know, I said last night, look, he's saying that, but he doesn't really mean it. | ||
| He's saying that because he's got this ulterior motive, he wanted to get out of the debate, he sees the way things are going and maybe he's not too happy about it, and he retorted and said, well, I'm being honest, you can't say I'm being dishonest. | ||
| Of course, if anything, you're being dishonest. | ||
| Well, then I go back, and not only do I not believe that, And I'll tell you why later, based on the clip. | ||
| But also, I went back and I looked at the Sneeko panel, where it's me, Destiny, Sneeko, Jadeon, and all these other characters, and the guy's calling me a liar throughout the entire debate. | ||
| So that's pretty rich. | ||
| I mean, literally throughout the debate, saying that I'm a liar, everything I say is a lie, everything I say is coded language, and so on. | ||
| So that's fine. | ||
| You know, that's just what people do, I guess. | ||
| But I come back and say, yeah, you backed out of the debate and you made up an excuse, and suddenly, oh, you can't call me a liar. | ||
| You know, I'm engaging in good faith. | ||
| Okay, well, you know, that's not really fair. | ||
| So we'll go through all that. | ||
| Drama, drama, drama content. | ||
| That'll be our second story. | ||
| Featured story. | ||
| So we'll cover that. | ||
| I'm gonna be honest, I don't feel good. | ||
| I feel like hay fever. | ||
| I think it's my allergies coming on. | ||
| I feel congested. | ||
| My eyes are puffy. | ||
| So I look like shit. | ||
| I don't feel 100%. | ||
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My hair looks goofy tonight. | |
| I'm not feeling so hot, but gonna get through the show anyway. | ||
| It's these allergies, man. | ||
| It's just brutal. | ||
| Now I have this, you know, I have this deviated septum issue. | ||
| So my allergies are just debilitating now. | ||
| It's just like I'm not even a human being anymore. | ||
| I feel like a perpetually sick person because of my allergies. | ||
| I'm always sniffling. | ||
| I can't breathe. | ||
| I can't sleep. | ||
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So there's that. | |
| But I took my allergy medicine. | ||
| Hopefully, I'll start to feel a little bit better. | ||
| But anyway, so that's going to be our show. | ||
| Before we get into that, just a reminder to follow me here on Cozy. | ||
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| As I said, tonight is a casual Friday show, so it's going to be low-key. | ||
| It's going to be relaxed. | ||
| It's been a long week. | ||
| Big news! | ||
| You know, a lot of big news this week. | ||
| But tonight we're taking it easy, because there's really not that much going on. | ||
| I check the news very slow. | ||
| So we'll cover this Russian gas story, and then I want to review the Destiny content. | ||
| And I want to set the record straight, because I think there's just like a lot of stuff in there that just isn't even fair. | ||
| I will not allow myself to be gaslit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I've learned this the hard way. | ||
| It's been a couple years of trial here between January 6th and a lot of these betrayals and things. | ||
| And you know what I've learned over the years is to trust my gut. | ||
| Because, you know, a lot of people attack me and they say, you know, that I am narcissistic and I only listen to sycophants who agree with me. | ||
| Yes-men who tell me what I want to hear. | ||
| And that I won't listen to criticism, or I won't be open-minded. | ||
| And if anything, in my experience, it's the opposite. | ||
| If anything, when there's a contentious issue, I'm too open-minded, I'm too charitable, and too willing to hear out the case that I may be wrong. | ||
| Because I always think I'm right, and I always have a very high confidence in my logic, in my thought process. | ||
| And oftentimes, if a lot of people are telling me wrong, I'll go too far in saying, oh, you know, maybe I'm mistaken, maybe I just assumed the wrong thing or something. | ||
| And what I've learned over the years is I really should have a little bit more trust in my gut and say, you know, when I'm right, I'm right. | ||
| And that's not to say that I'm not going to, that's not to say I don't listen. | ||
| It's not to say that I'm not open minded, but it is to say You know, I have a pretty good sense. | ||
| I have a pretty good intuition about things. | ||
| And if I'm hearing things and they don't sound right to me, it's probably because they're not right. | ||
| But I'm going to open it up. | ||
| I'm going to open it up. | ||
| We'll review the clips. | ||
| And I want you to tell me what you think. | ||
| And, you know, speak freely. | ||
| We're going to go through. | ||
| We'll review it. | ||
| Because the Destiny thing is this very interesting relationship that's been going on. | ||
| And there's layers to it. | ||
| There's dimensions to it. | ||
| You know, he's saying that he wants to fight for my audience, I want to make good content, there's our engagement, there's the way the community responds to it, and so on. | ||
| So I want your opinion, I want your take, and let me know what you think, because I know some people disagree, and I know a lot of people agree, but we'll go through all of it. | ||
| So that's going to be, that's where it's going to go. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So our first story tonight, we're going to be, and I'm wearing my Afcraft hooding by the way, In case you don't know what that is, I'm wearing my Half Craft hoodie. | ||
| That's me. | ||
| That's Baked Alaska. | ||
| That's Beardson. | ||
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That's, uh, that's, we're gonna say that's Bass Brant. | |
| We're gonna say that's Dalton. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we're gonna dive in. | ||
| Our first story is about this Russian gas crisis, and in case you haven't been following it, it's really been spiraling out of control lately. | ||
| And there's a lot of background here, so I guess we have to start from the beginning. | ||
| We have to really start from the beginning. | ||
| What you need to know about this, what you need to know about the situation here is that the European Union, particularly continental Europe, is almost completely reliant on Russian natural gas for their energy. | ||
| And this energy politics has defined the Russian West dynamic since the fall of the Soviet Union. | ||
| Which is to say that when the Western European countries are trying to pressure Russia to behave in a particular way or not behave in a particular way, this is always the impasse. | ||
| That the European states are dependent on Russia for the energy, a big part of their energy mixture, a big proportion of of their energy mixture comes from natural gas that they import from Russia through pipelines that are 100 years old. | ||
| Which is to say that their businesses, their electricity, we don't think about that too much when we think about energy. | ||
| Usually when we think about petroleum products and we think about gas and energy, we think about gas prices at the pump. | ||
| We think about gas we put in our car. | ||
| But Europe is dependent on the natural gas from Russia to run their electrical grid, to run their entire society, to run their manufacturing, to run their businesses, to run their heating in their homes during the winter. | ||
| And a large proportion, the further east you go, of the energy mixture comes from the natural gas that they get from the pipelines from Russia. | ||
| So they need Russia because they need Russia's gas. | ||
| They need Russia's gas to power their economy. | ||
| And the gas is the lifeline of these countries. | ||
| Without gas, you don't have electricity. | ||
| Without electricity, you don't have economy. | ||
| You don't have society. | ||
| So they are dependent on Russia in a very meaningful way. | ||
| It's not like it's not like in America where the effect on the global oil market causes gas prices at the pump to go up or that it causes a general inflation because fuel is more expensive because when fuel becomes, you know, it's a global market for energy so when there is There's less production. | ||
| When there's less supply on the market, prices go up globally. | ||
| And so then it costs more for trucks and planes and cars. | ||
| And then it costs more for the supply chains. | ||
| And then those costs are passed on to the consumers. | ||
| And there's a general inflation. | ||
| When we're talking about Europe, we're saying that they... And this is a very important thing. | ||
| Because we don't think about it in these terms. | ||
| We're used to abundance. | ||
| And we're used to specialization and globalization and trade. | ||
| And so, when we think about Russia cutting off energy, I think a lot of people are maybe given to the idea that, well, if they can't buy it from Russia, well, they'll just buy it from somebody else. | ||
| Or, if they can't buy it from Russia, well, it just becomes more expensive, and gas has been expensive before. | ||
| It's not like that. | ||
| They can't get energy from anywhere else. | ||
| To have energy, you need infrastructure to, if you're importing it, to import the energy, to distribute the energy, to refine the energy. | ||
| There's all kinds of infrastructure, and I'm being a little bit simplistic here, but there's all kinds of infrastructure that needs to be put in place For example, if they get so much of their energy from natural gas that comes from pipelines, and they no longer have access to that, let's say they were going to replace that energy with nuclear energy. | ||
| Well, you can't go out and just build a nuclear power plant in time for the winter. | ||
| Because you need the energy to power the boilers and the furnaces. | ||
| And the boilers and the furnaces need to come on in October or November. | ||
| They need to come on in the winter. | ||
| So if Russia shuts off the gas, and you don't have the gas to power the heat in the homes, well the winter is coming in a few months. | ||
| You can't go and build a nuclear power plant, or a solar farm, or a wind farm, Before winter arrives, when people need it. | ||
| So it's not, it's not, it doesn't have the same level of elasticity that other markets have. | ||
| Where, for example, if Saudi Arabia doesn't supply the oil, well, you know, we could tap into our natural reserves. | ||
| We could, we could frack more oil that we have and can source in America. | ||
| We just increased production. | ||
| Or we go to another country and have them to relieve the price stress. | ||
| They will just simply not have the energy they need. | ||
| And then again, They'll pay more for the energy but at a certain point they just they just don't have enough. | ||
| The substitutes even that they have for natural gas they have the gas that comes through the pipelines where again the infrastructure is there and it flows from Russia daily. | ||
| The alternative to Russian gas is to import liquefied natural gas which is harvested in other places packaged up and shipped over on boats. | ||
| But there's only so much liquefied natural gas in the world. | ||
| There's only so much that is produced that can come from the Gulf states or from elsewhere. | ||
| And so that's also not a substitute. | ||
| So the important thing to understand is that Europe, when we say that they're dependent on Russian natural gas, we don't mean that in any kind of abstract way. | ||
| We mean that they need the Russian natural gas to come through those pipelines. | ||
| And if it doesn't, they just don't have enough energy. | ||
| And they can't get it easily and in a short amount of time from anywhere else. | ||
| They can't just pursue alternatives. | ||
| They can't just buy more from somebody else. | ||
| They don't have it in Europe. | ||
| They don't have the natural gas and the oil native in Europe. | ||
| And we don't typically think about it that way. | ||
| We think about if something costs more or we have a dependency, we think of, well, we just have to pay more. | ||
| They just will not have the energy. | ||
| So it's an absolute reliance. | ||
| That being said, Russia is dependent on the sale of the natural gas to Europe. | ||
| So while Europe needs the natural gas to come through the pipes to support their electrical grid, and such a high proportion of their energy mixture comes from the natural gas that is imported through those pipelines, at the same time, Russia is dependent on that relationship because, of course, that energy is expensive. | ||
| They are the energy merchant to Eastern and Western Europe, and that's very lucrative from Russia. | ||
| And a large proportion of the Russian state revenue comes from the sale of natural gas. | ||
| The Russian economy is not very big. | ||
| Before Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was the 11th largest in the world. | ||
| And relative to other European countries or other powerful countries, they don't have a high GDP per capita. | ||
| They don't really have a lot going on economically. | ||
| And so, just in a similar way, but different in important ways, in a similar way that Europe is dependent on Russia for their energy, Russia is to some extent dependent on the sale of that energy to support their government. | ||
| I believe it's higher than 20%. | ||
| Of all of their revenue comes from the sale of natural gas to Europe. | ||
| So they are a petrostate or an energy state like Saudi Arabia or Nigeria or Venezuela in that they would not be able to support their government function with just the tax revenue from their economy, from the productive capacities of the people. | ||
| They rely on the sale of commodities to support their military and their government. | ||
| They would not be able to pay for their war. | ||
| They would not be able to pay for their military without the money that the state makes from the sale of the natural gas. | ||
| And that is the dynamic which has shaped the geopolitics on the continent. | ||
| For the past 30 years, and even before that. | ||
| The reason why the European Union and why the continental European countries cannot exert so much influence on Russia is because there's always the nuclear option that Russia could suspend the sale of natural gas for the short term. | ||
| And in the short term, it definitely hurts Europe more to not have the gas than it hurts Russia to not have the money. | ||
| If Russia cuts off the gas tomorrow, they don't have energy. | ||
| They go cold. | ||
| They go hungry. | ||
| Their economy experiences inflation. | ||
| And meanwhile in Russia, they lose a little bit of revenue. | ||
| And you tell me, in the short term, which is more impactful? | ||
| Certainly it's more impactful to not have energy than it is to temporarily need to draw more debt. | ||
| Or not have the kind of income that you had before suffer a 15 or a 20% hit in revenue. | ||
| And that has been the dynamic which has sort of kept continental Europe in check. | ||
| That's why France and Germany have never been as hawkish towards Russia as the United States or the United Kingdom. | ||
| Because France and Germany are really in the same boat as Russia. | ||
| If one goes down, they both go down. | ||
| So that's the background. | ||
| Of course, when Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year, The NATO countries and the Allied countries of the United States all imposed unprecedented sanctions on Russia. | ||
| And Russia threatened to cut off the energy, but not until recently did they begin to ramp that up. | ||
| All the European countries cut off Russia in ways that are completely unprecedented. | ||
| All the usual sanctions against the leaders and the oligarchs and individuals within Russia, and banning Russians from traveling, and dismissing the diplomats, and banning most imports from Russia. | ||
| But they also took it a step further and said that they would ban Russia from the international banking system. | ||
| Ban Russia from trading their rubles for dollars or euros, which completely impedes on Russia's entire trade with the world. | ||
| Because you may think, well if Russia can't exchange their rubles for dollars, well they can just conduct trade with China and India regardless. | ||
| Well all international trade, for the most part, is denominated in dollars. | ||
| It's the reserve currency of the world. | ||
| It's the reference currency of the world. | ||
| And so what that means is that even when Russia and China do business, they do business in dollars. | ||
| It's the reference currency. | ||
| So they'll trade their native currencies for a third-party currency, a strong currency, and that's how they're conducting their trade. | ||
| Russia and China, Russia and India, Russia and other states. | ||
| And so when NATO and the United States ban Russia from accessing their foreign currency reserves, ban Russia from accessing the dollars that they hold, ban Russia from transacting for dollars, they're not just Interrupting Russia's trade with the United States, which is relatively minimal. | ||
| They're interrupting all of Russia's international trade. | ||
| And they're repeating all of Russia's international trade. | ||
| And they're damaging the Russian currency. | ||
| Again, not just internationally, but domestically too. | ||
| So these are the kinds of sanctions that you impose to destroy a country. | ||
| These are not sanctions that you impose To deter a particular policy by a regime. | ||
| This is not a sanction that you put in place to punish a regime for something that another country didn't like. | ||
| These are sanctions, and they made this very clear, that they put in place to cause a revolution. | ||
| They put these sanctions in place to destroy the Russian economy, and by destroying the Russian economy incite a revolution, incite widespread civil unrest, or a coup d'etat in the palace, in the Kremlin, where if the people didn't overthrow the Russian government because of So the sanctions were imposed to cause Putin to suffer the same fate as Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi, for Russia to suffer the same fate as Syria or Libya or Egypt. | ||
| overthrow the Russian president because the oligarchs would be hit so badly with their businesses and be losing money and dissatisfied with the state of things. | ||
| So the sanctions were imposed to cause Putin to suffer the same fate as Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi, for Russia to suffer the same fate as Syria or Libya or Egypt. | ||
| That was the intention. | ||
| And so Russia retaliated in kind and has been gradually escalating by using their nuclear option, which is to shut off the natural gas. | ||
| And it's been starting slowly. | ||
| First he shut off the export of natural gas to Eastern European countries. | ||
| Some of it. | ||
| And then to countries like Germany. | ||
| Some of it. | ||
| And now almost all of it. | ||
| And now there's a threat that Russia will completely shut off the natural gas to Europe before the winter. | ||
| Winter's coming in a couple months. | ||
| And already, because of the global economic impact of the sanctions, Europe has already been experiencing record inflation. | ||
| We've been experiencing 9% inflation. | ||
| The Eurozone has been experiencing 9% inflation. | ||
| We've been experiencing high gas prices for our cars and for fuel for planes and trains and automobiles. | ||
| But Europe has been experiencing high, not just high gas prices at the pump for their cars, but high energy prices across the board. | ||
| And a general inflation across the board. | ||
| In addition to food shortages, because Russia's not just a supplier of energy, but also of fertilizer and of key agricultural products. | ||
| And with this threat to completely shut off natural gas to Europe before the winter, it's threatening an all-out collapse. | ||
| Because these economies in Western Europe and America have been bleeding throughout the entire year. | ||
| High inflation, high deficit, supply chain issues, these economic issues which are still haunting us from COVID. | ||
| In addition to shortages, food scarcity and food inflation and now before the winter it's going to get even worse because there'll be a total energy shortage and a huge spike in energy prices which will cause inflation to go even higher and deficits to go even higher and civil rest is already starting. | ||
| So this is the article from Zero Hedge about The meeting that was had today, the European leaders were getting together to discuss their plan of action. | ||
| And the idea that they floated was to cap their purchases of Russian gas. | ||
| And if they say that they can cap the purchases of Russian gas, then I don't even understand what the goal is. | ||
| I guess by capping the purchase of Russian gas, they're sort of saying, well, you can't cut off our gas because we're going to stop buying it. | ||
| But it has the same effect. | ||
| By capping the amount of gas that's purchased, well, you're necessarily going to have to ration the gas because there's only going to be so much gas. | ||
| If you don't import all the gas that you need, well, people are going to have to use less energy. | ||
| And isn't that... I mean that's what would happen if they shut off the supply of gas. | ||
| But apparently they're trying to preempt that. | ||
| And it sounds like a bluff. | ||
| And it doesn't even make any sense. | ||
| And they know that. | ||
| And this was the meeting. | ||
| This is from Zero Hedge. | ||
| It says, quote, An emergency meeting of EU energy ministers on Friday meant to reassure both energy companies and the European public regarding soaring prices and severely strained supply amid Russian countermeasures in response to Western sanctions is off to a shaky start. | ||
| Rather than reassure anyone of anything, it's already clear the issue of a proposed cap on gas prices has only divided the bloc further, akin to the same prior question with oil. | ||
| Leading the way in pointing out the flawed logic of the plan, Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto pointed out the blowback would be worse than the sting aimed at Russia. | ||
| He said, quote, if price restrictions were to be imposed exclusively on Russian gas, that would evidently lead to an immediate cutoff in Russian gas supplies. | ||
| It does not take a Nobel Prize to recognize that. | ||
| Echoing prior words of Hungarian leader Viktor Orban, he said, quote, the plan would impose a price cap exclusively on Russian gas coming via pipelines is entirely against European and Hungarian interests. | ||
| Josef Cichola, the Czech energy minister chairing the meeting, went into it echoing a Marshall tone with talk of engaging in energy war, which is unlikely to match any corresponding action. | ||
| He said, quote, We are in an energy war with Russia. | ||
| Putin is trying, by manipulating the market, to break the social peace in our countries, affect our way of life, and attack our economy. | ||
| He said ministers were hoping to send a clear message that will calm down the markets by the end of the day. | ||
| This, as over the course of the six-month Ukraine war, Russian gas supplies to the collective EU have been cut by 80% amid ominous reminders that winter is coming. | ||
| And yet, with Italy, Poland, Hungary, and Greece standing out as among the most vocal opponents of such a cap, among at least 10 EU countries who have voiced their reservations, This source, FT, notes that some governments are warning that singling out Russia could push Vladimir Putin to cut supplies to Europe completely. | ||
| One senior EU official cited anonymously summed up the ongoing dilemma as follows. | ||
| Quote, everyone is afraid of the domino effect if Russia cuts off supply because European states are so interconnected. | ||
| If you cut off Russian gas only, you infuriate Russia without affecting other suppliers. | ||
| And if you are, say, Portugal, who imports no Russian gas, what can you take back to voters? | ||
| For this reason, the meeting is not expected to delve too deep or dwell too long on the divisive price cap plan, even though Belgium is among those claiming that just technical issues would have to be worked out, but that a cap is achievable. | ||
| Hungary's Sijarto said it best upon entering the meeting, quote, this morning, we will do our utmost to make Brussels finally understand that gas supplies are not an ideological or political issue, but one of hardcore physical reality. | ||
| And this is the thing that has been the most relevant point from the beginning. | ||
| The reason that the sanctions were doomed to fail from the beginning of the war, and why it was apparent that they were not working throughout the war, and I've said this, is because Russia is a maker of things. | ||
| Russia is a terrestrial power. | ||
| And that means that Russia is a land-based power, not a sea-based power. | ||
| And that means that Russia projects power and Russia derives its power, as all countries do, from its economy. | ||
| From the productive powers of its economy. | ||
| And we've talked a little bit about this before. | ||
| People think that power comes from the military. | ||
| And that is technically true. | ||
| In the sense that the country with the biggest military is the country that can kill the most people and fight the most logistically sophisticated and ambitious wars, and that gives them the most power over other countries because they can force countries, theoretically, to do what they want. | ||
| If push came to shove, they could send the aircraft carriers and the battleships and the bombers and the troops To go into the city and kill the government and then take over and make the people there do what they want. | ||
| That's where power comes from. | ||
| But, that is somewhat tertiary. | ||
| Because the military is a direct result of the productive capacity of the economy. | ||
| Where does the military come from? | ||
| Well, in order to create and maintain a military, you need great industry. | ||
| You need a huge industry. | ||
| Think about an aircraft carrier. | ||
| Where do aircraft carriers come from? | ||
| You don't just, you can't buy them. | ||
| Where do you buy them from? | ||
| Aliens? | ||
| You buy them from the moon? | ||
| You find them from the bottom of the ocean? | ||
| You have to make them. | ||
| How do you make them? | ||
| Well you need engineers to design them. | ||
| How do you get engineers? | ||
| You need really great schools to train engineers. | ||
| And you need engineers with experience. | ||
| That's called human capital. | ||
| So to create, to even invent Cutting-edge military technology and to design them you need human capital. | ||
| Human capital comes from a robust civil society. | ||
| It comes from a society that can properly find its most intelligent people, sort them, train them under apprenticeships, give them experience, and then put them to work. | ||
| Now that's something that's difficult for a society to do, to marshal human beings as a resource and train them just for your engineers, just for openers. | ||
| Then what do you need? | ||
| Who's going to build a giant aircraft carrier? | ||
| Consumers don't buy aircraft carriers. | ||
| So you need a government that can pay for one. | ||
| You need a government that can marshal the resources to build factories that are dedicated to making them. | ||
| Making the parts, putting the parts together, storing it, housing it, and so on. | ||
| This is just to give you an idea, to begin to imagine where the force projection comes from. | ||
| To field an aircraft carrier, a navy, a bomber. | ||
| To recruit troops, to recruit an army, to marshal the resources to pay for and maintain these things, to divert resources from the economy through taxes, and to raise such a large tax pool that you can pay Lockheed Martin and Raytheon and defense contractors and employees $800 billion a year to maintain this giant army, this giant arsenal. | ||
| It derives from the productive capacities of the economy. | ||
| Well, where do the productive capacities come from? | ||
| Where does America get the wealth to do all these things? | ||
| Well, when you consider it, America has a lot of wealth in its land. | ||
| It has a lot of wealth from its population, and America is wealthy in resources. | ||
| It's an oil producer. | ||
| It's a coal and natural gas producer. | ||
| But so much of where America derives its wealth is in trade. | ||
| We have a $500 billion trade deficit with China, meaning that China exports $500 billion worth of goods and services more to the United States than we export to them. | ||
| And America has an absolute trade deficit with the world. | ||
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We import more than we export. | |
| And so in terms of our material wealth of things, it comes from trade. | ||
| It comes from the sea. | ||
| If we didn't have China manufacturing, if we didn't have the raw materials that China harvested, we could not make the things that we make here. | ||
| We couldn't make cars with computers in them because we wouldn't have the semiconductors. | ||
| We couldn't make the semiconductors because we don't have the rare minerals in the American continent to make them. | ||
| When you look at the critical raw materials that we need for things like computers and semiconductors and artificial intelligence and all the advanced industries, a large percentage of global production of like 25 or 30 of them comes from China. | ||
| So think about it. | ||
| If we didn't have the sea-based trade with China, we wouldn't have things. | ||
| We wouldn't have the raw materials to make the things, and we wouldn't have the parts. | ||
| that are made from the raw materials to assemble here in America or put together to make the cars or the planes or the aircraft carriers. | ||
| In other words, you can't make a plane start to finish in America because we don't make the steel anymore and we don't make the semiconductors and we don't make so many of the things. | ||
| So our wealth comes from trade and the same is true with Europe. | ||
| You could say that Europe and America are sea-based powers and particularly the United Kingdom and America are sea-based power because their wealth comes from trade. | ||
| We're dependent on trade and there's a reciprocal relationship. | ||
| We control trade because we have a large navy. | ||
| We have a large navy because of our trade. | ||
| Russia is a land-based power. | ||
| Russia does not have year-round ports. | ||
| Think about the United States. | ||
| We've got an entire coast. | ||
| We've got a coast that stretches from Washington to Southern California with the Pacific Ocean. | ||
| And we've got a coast that stretches from Maine in the north. | ||
| Really on the west coast it's Alaska all the way to like Hawaii actually. | ||
| In the East Coast, you've got Maine all the way down through Puerto Rico and the Caribbean. | ||
| So America has ports. | ||
| That's why the biggest cities in America, New York City, Los Angeles, Seattle, Miami, these are all great port cities. | ||
| We've got access to the sea. | ||
| We control the sea. | ||
| We can field navies in both the oceans. | ||
| And we have the Panama Canal that connects them. | ||
| Russia does not have any access to the sea at all. | ||
| Where does Russia come up against any ocean anywhere? | ||
| On its west coast, Russia is completely blocked off by the European continent. | ||
| They've got access to the Atlantic Ocean through the Arctic Ocean, which they don't have year-round access to and which is not the same as a year-round port, say, in North Carolina. | ||
| And they also have a port in St. | ||
| Petersburg. | ||
| But in order for any ship to go from St. | ||
| Petersburg to the Atlantic Ocean, they gotta go through They've got to go through Denmark and Sweden. | ||
| They've got to go through the North Sea. | ||
| They do not have direct access to the ocean. | ||
| But they've got to go through Denmark and Sweden. | ||
| They've got to go through the North Sea. | ||
| They do not have direct access to the ocean. | ||
| In the south, they've got to go from the Black Sea to the Aegean Sea to the Eastern Mediterranean. | ||
| In the east, they've got to go from the Black Sea to the Eastern Mediterranean. | ||
| They, again, do not have a year-round port in the East of Russia. | ||
| The East of Russia is connected to the Pacific Ocean by Siberia, where the ports freeze there. | ||
| So they don't, so suffice to say, they don't derive their power from sea-based trade, or even land-based trade. | ||
| They derive their power from the resources that they have on the land. | ||
| They don't need to import things because and they can't even if they wanted to because they don't have control over They don't they don't have access to the ocean much less control over the ocean and access to other countries by sea and shipping routes Because if they were dependent on shipping routes guess what they could just be embargoed in like two seconds So their wealth derives from their the fact that they control such a large proportion of Earth's landmass they control everything from | ||
| From the west of Russia, everything from their border with Ukraine, all the way to Vladivostok in the east. | ||
| So they've got immense raw material wealth. | ||
| They've got wealth in natural gas, in titanium, in copper, in nickel, in oil. | ||
| They've got in agriculture, they've got fertile lands. | ||
| And so they've got really everything that they need and then the way that they derive their wealth is by using what they need and then selling the excess to other countries. | ||
| This is why. | ||
| It's that fundamental dynamic why the sanctions were doomed from the beginning. | ||
| Here's why. | ||
| Europe can put sanctions on Russia and say, we're going to cut you off from international trade. | ||
| But Russia is not dependent on international trade. | ||
| We are. | ||
| That's why that doesn't work. | ||
| Russia is not dependent for the things that they need in their economy. | ||
| They're not dependent on international trade for food. | ||
| They're not dependent on international trade for energy. | ||
| They're not dependent on international trade for raw materials. | ||
| So without international trade, will they not have the same amount of abundance? | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| They're going to lose out. | ||
| Their GDP necessarily will suffer. | ||
| You know, if you can't sell your profits, if you can't sell the excess grain or the excess natural gas or the excess oil and then buy more things from other countries, naturally you're going to have less things, of course. | ||
| But they have the essentials. | ||
| They're not going to run out of energy. | ||
| They have all the energy they need. | ||
| They're not going to run out of food. | ||
| They have all the food they need. | ||
| They're not going to run out of water. | ||
| Food, energy, water, They've got all the essentials. | ||
| Will they be materially worse off without trade? | ||
| Of course! | ||
| Because they're not going to have a market without access to Europe and without access to the United States and some of America's allies. | ||
| They're not going to be able to sell it and get money to buy other things naturally. | ||
| But they're going to be okay. | ||
| Europe and the United States, on the other hand, are completely dependent on international trade. | ||
| And they're dependent on international trade not just for selling things, but for importing the essentials. | ||
| Europe does not have enough energy. | ||
| Without trade, Europe does not have the energy it needs to power its cities. | ||
| Without international trade, Europe does not have the food that it needs to feed its people. | ||
| Without international trade, Europe does not have any of the raw materials that it needs to support high-level industry. | ||
| Where are they going to get things like cobalt? | ||
| Where are they going to get things like nickel? | ||
| Where are they going to get lithium? | ||
| Where are they going to get all of the things that they need to build, like I said before, computers and planes? | ||
| And they don't have that. | ||
| They're relying on the trade for the essentials. | ||
| So if they sanction Russia, and if they sanction China, it'd just be over. | ||
| That's why China's aggressive towards Taiwan. | ||
| They know that. | ||
| They know this dependency exists. | ||
| Of course, Europe is always going to lose. | ||
| For the simple fact that Europe doesn't have energy and food, and Russia does. - Yes. | ||
| Russia doesn't really need, it wants, it's beneficial to have international trade, but it's not essential for Russia. | ||
| Whereas Europe, it is essential to have that international trade. | ||
| It's not just that they're going to have materially less, it means they're not going to have enough natural gas. | ||
| to heat their homes in the winter. | ||
| They're not going to have enough natural gas to heat their water to take a hot shower. | ||
| They're not going to have enough energy to fill up their cars with gas. | ||
| They're not going to have enough fertilizer. | ||
| They're not going to have enough food to feed their people. | ||
| And right when the war started, people were going in Europe to supermarkets and they just didn't have the food they needed. | ||
| Not that it cost more, they just didn't have it because they couldn't get it. | ||
| And this is why I was doomed from the beginning. | ||
| So, I don't know what the thought process was. | ||
| People are being told in America, we're going to sanction Russia. | ||
| You don't stand a chance. | ||
| You can't make a move against the United States. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah, they can. | ||
| Russia can absorb a 10% hit to their GDP from losing international trade with the West. | ||
| And they haven't lost it from everybody. | ||
| China trades with Russia. | ||
| India trades with Russia. | ||
| Africa trades with Russia. | ||
| The Middle East trades with Russia. | ||
| When you take a look at who sanctioned Russia as a very small number of countries, all things considered, that was never going to work. | ||
| And not only was it not going to destroy Russia, they could have always absorbed the hit to their revenue because natural gas is a hot commodity. | ||
| If Europe doesn't buy it, somebody else will. | ||
| And the price will be driven up. | ||
| And not only would it not be detrimental, but also Europe needs the natural resources. | ||
| That was always going to affect Europe more than Russia. | ||
| Not only was it not going to hurt Russia, it was always going to be detrimental to the European Union in particular, but also poses a large risk to the United Kingdom and the United States. | ||
| So that's the current dynamic here. | ||
| I don't know what the play is when they say, well, we're just going to cap our energy spend with Russia. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, and the prices are going to go up. | ||
| You're going to have to ration the gas. | ||
| And it's like the Hungarian minister said, this isn't about ideology. | ||
| This isn't about ideas. | ||
| It's about reality. | ||
| We need gas. | ||
| They've got it. | ||
| It comes through their pipelines. | ||
| If it doesn't, we can't get it from anywhere else. | ||
| In a couple months, it's going to get cold. | ||
| We need gas to heat our homes. | ||
| There's not going to be enough of it. | ||
| So some people are going to be warm, and some people are going to be cold. | ||
| And people don't like to be cold. | ||
| And when they get cold, they're going to get pissed off. | ||
| And when they get pissed off, they're going to get in the streets and say, hey, what the fuck? | ||
| There's all this energy sitting in the pipelines. | ||
| Let's buy it. | ||
| This just gets back to the fundamental insanity and the delusion of the NATO complex, the State Department, the European Union. | ||
| They refuse to negotiate with reality. | ||
| In their mind, it's still the 1990s and there's just no engagement With the fact that we do not have as much power as we think we do. | ||
| We can't force every country to do what we want forever. | ||
| And I said that at the beginning. | ||
| I said it was the hubris. | ||
| This refusal to look for an off-ramp. | ||
| This refusal to accept Russia as a world power. | ||
| Refusal to accept that Ukraine is their neighborhood. | ||
| Refusal to accept that it was always unacceptable for Ukraine to be a NATO state and that Russia would do something about it. | ||
| And that we weren't willing to go to war with them to stop it. | ||
| So then they would do it. | ||
| And that we couldn't destroy their economy. | ||
| You know, it's this absolute, abject refusal to engage with the hard reality of the changing world. | ||
| Russia is a legitimate state. | ||
| Putin is a legitimate leader of the state. | ||
| He's not a kleptocrat. | ||
| He's not a gangster. | ||
| He's the sovereign of Russia. | ||
| So deal with it. | ||
| He's the sovereign of one of the biggest economies, and the biggest countries, and the biggest militaries in the world. | ||
| And you can't abrogate that fact. | ||
| You can't ignore that fact. | ||
| You can say all this rhetoric about, oh, he's a gangster. | ||
| Oh, well, he's the president of Russia. | ||
| And Russia's a big, powerful, important country, and you gotta do business with them. | ||
| You can't put your fingers in your ear and say, you know, they're a gangster. | ||
| They can't do what they want. | ||
| Democracy will win. | ||
| They're going to cut off your gas and then you're going to get cold. | ||
| And, you know, you can say whatever you want, but that's just what's going to happen. | ||
| And it's already happening. | ||
| It's already record high energy prices in the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, East Europe, and as it says, even the countries that do not get their natural gas from Russia, like Portugal, who's on the far end, They're gonna feel the effects as well. | ||
| Because they're in a common currency union. | ||
| They're in an economic union with the other states. | ||
| What affects half the member states will affect all the member states. | ||
| So, anyway, so that's the situation with Russia. | ||
| Completely ill-fated and ridiculous from the beginning. | ||
| What's the counter? | ||
| I don't understand what the counter argument is. | ||
| I remember over the summer, they were confidently saying, well, we just signed a deal where we're going to get more liquefied natural gas from America. | ||
| And I did my show and I said, who are you kidding? | ||
| Like, who are you trying to convince? | ||
| Everybody knows that you're not going to be able to get enough LNG to substitute for the Russian gas. | ||
| It's not like that's a secret. | ||
| The Europeans know that. | ||
| The Russians know that. | ||
| The Americans know that. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| But they come out in the summer, before this inevitable crisis metastasized, they came out in the summer smugly and they're like, oh Russia's gonna cut off their gas? | ||
| Well, Well, sorry to rain on your parade, but we just inked a deal where we're going to replace a tenth of what you're sending with LNG. | ||
| And it's like, okay, where are you going to get the rest? | ||
| The rest doesn't exist. | ||
| You can't get enough to substitute completely. | ||
| And we all know that. | ||
| So who are you trying to kid? | ||
| Are you trying to trick the people? | ||
| Are you trying to trick Russia? | ||
| You think Russia doesn't know? | ||
| You think Putin doesn't know that? | ||
| When they come out there and say things that are just obviously stupid, and I'm waiting for the counter-argument like where's the argument that Ukraine can win the war? | ||
| Where's the argument that the sanctions are not going to backfire? | ||
| Where are we going to get the fertilizer? | ||
| Where are we going to get the gas? | ||
| Where are we going to get the increased oil production? | ||
| OPEC's not budging. | ||
| We're not getting it from Russia. | ||
| So where's it gonna come from? | ||
| They're gonna fold their arms and say, well, we just came up with a deal. | ||
| To what? | ||
| Change reality? | ||
| You came up with a deal to what? | ||
| Invent more oil? | ||
| Because that's just what democracies do? | ||
| Like... And that's when you realize these people are just, like, delusional. | ||
| They think that if they just say it enough, if they just fold their arms and smugly say, well, hey, the democracies got together. | ||
| No, they didn't! | ||
| Which countries sanctioned Russia? | ||
| Not even most of the countries. | ||
| I don't think any of them in Africa did. | ||
| China and India didn't. | ||
| The Middle East didn't. | ||
| So who sanctioned Russia? | ||
| America, NATO, Australia, Japan. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| The whole world didn't bind together. | ||
| It sounds like America's allies. | ||
| But if the world's allies got together and stood up to Russia and we forced them to back down, how are you going to do that? | ||
| We need their oil. | ||
| We need their fertilizer. | ||
| We need their natural gas. | ||
| We don't have a broad coalition. | ||
| It's in their backyard. | ||
| It's the second most powerful military in the world fighting some third world dump. | ||
| And that's what the Ukraine war is, is all of this rhetoric crashing against the rocks on the shore of reality. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| All the bluster, all this paper tiger rhetoric, and this delusion about how much of the world is really on board with American hegemony. | ||
| Crashing on the shore of reality as Russia invades Ukraine with impunity. | ||
| They're doing fine. | ||
| Yeah, their economy is going to shrink 10%. | ||
| But they're willing to pay that price for their sovereignty. | ||
| What do you do to a country that's willing to just forego international trade with the G7 countries? | ||
| What can you do? | ||
| Nothing! | ||
| You can do nothing! | ||
| If you're not willing to go to war, and they're willing to eat a 10% contraction, and lose trade, and lose the dollar, what can you do? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| And that's always what we could have done. | ||
| Did we have to go this far to learn that? | ||
| Did we have to go and experience Inflation, recession, did we have to kill hundreds of thousands of people in Ukraine? | ||
| Did we have to go all this way to learn what was apparent from the beginning? | ||
| That we can't force them to do what we want them to do, so we just have to accept it and negotiate and live with it. | ||
| Who benefits? | ||
| Who benefits from all this? | ||
| We're spending, and some say, well we know we're not going to win, but we're just making it costly for Russia. | ||
| We're making it costly for us too! | ||
| We're emptying out our military arsenal into Ukraine such that we can't replace what we've sent Ukraine, we won't have what we've sent Ukraine if we get in a war. | ||
| We're emptying out our arsenal. | ||
| We're emptying out our treasury. | ||
| It's approaching $100 billion in aid to Ukraine in 7 months. | ||
| And the aid has been going on for 8 years, but in just 6 months, 6-7 months, closing in on $80-100 billion in aid. | ||
| And not just the money, we're emptying out the things that we built that cannot be easily replaced. | ||
| Can we replace the ammunition we sent Ukraine? | ||
| We can't make more of it. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Can we replace the missiles? | ||
| We can't. | ||
| If we ever get in a large-scale war, we're going to have to create the industries to replace these things because we just can't make them on that scale. | ||
| The stuff that we've sent to Ukraine, it's going to take us years to replenish our stockpile of those things. | ||
| And not to mention the inflation, the gas prices, not to mention the across-the-board inflation, and particularly in Europe. | ||
| You know, people say, well, we're just sending military equipment over there to just make it costly for Russia. | ||
| We want to make the war expensive for them. | ||
| We want to make them lose military equipment, lose lives, lose revenue. | ||
| We're losing too. | ||
| And arguably if they're losing a little bit more, we're losing a little bit more, it's a Pyrrhic victory if they're losing slightly more. | ||
| And to add all that, Pyrrhic victory or not, they're paying the price for sovereignty. | ||
| What are we paying the price for? | ||
| They're gonna lose substantially, we're gonna lose substantially. | ||
| Even if they lose slightly more, we still lose a lot. | ||
| So even if we win, it's Pyrrhic. | ||
| And Ukraine will not be a NATO state. | ||
| Ukraine will not be independent or part of the European Union. | ||
| It's going to be dismembered. | ||
| So we lose politically, but I guess the victory is that we'll have made it more costly for them, at a tremendous cost to us. | ||
| And then finally, There's also the consideration that we both paid a high cost and Russia ultimately got the win. | ||
| But Russia paid the cost to be a sovereign nation. | ||
| They paid a tremendous cost, maybe more than us. | ||
| But they paid the cost to be free. | ||
| They paid the cost to be free of Western domination and to assert themselves and be a great power, which is worthwhile. | ||
| It's worth the cost. | ||
| We paid a tremendous cost, and for what? | ||
| To not have Ukraine be a NATO member state? | ||
| To be embarrassed? | ||
| And even if we did win, to do what? | ||
| We had such a high cost to our real economy, to our real people, to our real military, and for what? | ||
| To bully Russia so that we could dictate to Russia what happens in their borderlands? | ||
| And this is what's going on. | ||
| This is the insanity. | ||
| This is why we need a new government. | ||
| Because this stuff just doesn't even make any sense. | ||
| So that's that. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| We're gonna move on though. | ||
| I want to get on into this Destiny thing. | ||
| I don't want to ramble all night about Ukraine, but you see how it's layers. | ||
| It's like an onion. | ||
| You just keep peeling back the layers and it's like, what are we doing here? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Every aspect of this, it just doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Even the arguments when people say, well, what they're really doing is making it make sense. | ||
| It just still doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Okay, but let's move on. | ||
| I want to get on into the the destiny clip here Let me give me one second Let me pull this up for you. | ||
| And we'll shift gears a little bit it's kind of tricky to shift gears because I'm all into the I'm on my mind is all Russia right now, but let's switch gears a little bit and let me pull this up This is we're gonna watch a little clip from the destiny stream, and I'll introduce it in a sec Let me just make sure I have my tech all set up here Okay So let me switch over here. | ||
| why is this like this hmm why is it black on the top like that Give me a second. | ||
| I'm just going to do this. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's get rid of that. | ||
| So we're gonna review this clip from destiny stream And I want you to let me know what you think about it The other day I got a super chat on my show where So it's gonna be me reacting to destiny reacting to my show from last night Last night on my show. | ||
| Well, I guess we got to start from the beginning. | ||
| I Me and Destiny have had this thing going on where we're debating each other, we're hanging out, we're talking to each other. | ||
| It's very interesting and all that. | ||
| And recently he's had this friend of his named Mr. Girl, who's this like Jewish nutcase. | ||
| Mr. Girl's been coming on Destiny Stream. | ||
| He's a friend of Stephen's. | ||
| Mr. Girl comes on the Destiny Stream and says, You are being irresponsible platforming Nick Fuentes. | ||
| You should not be hanging out with him. | ||
| He is a Nazi. | ||
| He wants to kill people. | ||
| He wants to kill my family. | ||
| You have no business being friendly with him. | ||
| Every conversation you need to be talking about what an evil person he is and interrogating him about it. | ||
| And Destiny's been arguing, well Nick's not a Nazi and I'm not going to shout him down. | ||
| You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. | ||
| You know, basically, I'm gonna bring over his audience and persuade more people by being hospitable and empathetic than if I'm being weirdly hung up on calling him a Nazi or something. | ||
| So, Steven has been arguing. | ||
| And so, a couple days after that stream, Mr. Girl's YouTube channel got taken down. | ||
| And and I I said, oh lol, you know your channel got banned owned And I'll even show you the tweet. | ||
| I want to pull it up here If I even can because Twitter is so bullshit on if you don't have an account Let's see That's it That's not it The mr. Girl returns, okay So this is what started it all off. | ||
| Mr. Girl Max, Destiny's friend, tweets out, Dear YouTube, After publicly criticizing the Nazi Nick Fuentes this past week, my channel has been mass flagged as sexual content, and one day I received three strikes for videos that are 1-3 years old. | ||
| You've rejected my appeal. | ||
| Please reinstate me. | ||
| Do not let them win. | ||
| Max. | ||
| Now that's the first tweet. | ||
| And he says, he doesn't even have any evidence for this. | ||
| He says, well I publicly criticized Nick, then my channel got mass flagged. | ||
| I got strikes because my channel was mass flagged. | ||
| I appealed, you rejected my appeal. | ||
| Now, this is what we get for openers, which by the way, there is no foundation for any of this. | ||
| Which means, where's the connection between you criticize me and then your channel... Do we know that your channel got mass flagged? | ||
| How do we know that's true? | ||
| How do we know that your channel got mass flagged to begin with? | ||
| Where's the evidence that it did get mass flagged? | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Two, where's the connection between, oh he publicly criticized me, and then because of that he got mass flagged? | ||
| It's not here. | ||
| There's no evidence of that. | ||
| Then he says, well, I received a bunch of strikes then for three-year-old videos. | ||
| And he appeals. | ||
| So he sends an appeal and says, hey, I got mass flagged. | ||
| Can you reinstate me? | ||
| They say no. | ||
| Somehow that's all my fault. | ||
| Now, why do I say he has no evidence? | ||
| Because other things came forward later. | ||
| But he's basically saying, I talked bad about Nick Fuentes, then I got banned and you rejected my appeal. | ||
| Well, that's because I got mass flagged and they lied about me. | ||
| It's like, well, we don't know that. | ||
| Maybe, maybe a mass flagging occurred. | ||
| Okay, maybe. | ||
| How do we know that that was 100% because of you talking about me? | ||
| How do we know that? | ||
| We know that Big Tech flagged his channel. | ||
| How do we know that Big Tech flagging his channel got it banned? | ||
| We don't know that. | ||
| And if that was the case, why would his channel not be reinstated after the appeal? | ||
| What would the appeal being rejected have to do with any of that? | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Even if you were to assume that his channel got taken down because of a mass flagging campaign by a person on my website, Well then why did your appeal not work? | ||
| Why did your appeal not get your... If it was just a... If it was a mistake, if it... It sounds like you broke the TOS. | ||
| It sounds like you broke the TOS, and maybe because your channel was flagged by Big Tech, or maybe because it was flagged by other people, maybe because it was flagged before you did this, maybe after it, your channel got banned because you broke the TOS. | ||
| And then you tried to appeal it and YouTube reaffirmed it wasn't a mistake. | ||
| It didn't get mass reported and taken down for a bad reason. | ||
| It got taken down because we checked and you broke the TOS. | ||
| Now he doesn't even bring up the big tech stream. | ||
| He says this is the evidence. | ||
| The evidence that my channel got banned because I talked about Nick, and then Nick's people mass flagged me, and then it got banned because of that mass flagging, and then the appeal got rejected because of that mass flagging. | ||
| Here's the evidence for all that. | ||
| A Telegram screenshot where I said, ratio this freak in the replies. | ||
| Not that picture, this picture. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| How is that evidence? | ||
| What's the foundation for what he said there? | ||
| And I'll explain the relevance of all this in a moment. | ||
| But this is what you need to understand. | ||
| Max goes on the Destiny stream and says, You can't talk to Nick Fuentes the way you've been talking to him. | ||
| You're too friendly. | ||
| He's evil. | ||
| He wants to kill people. | ||
| He wants to kill my family. | ||
| He's gonna be the next Hitler. | ||
| He has to be stopped at any cost! | ||
| Then he gets banned on YouTube and says, oh, that was Nick's fault. | ||
| I got mass flagged. | ||
| It wasn't fair. | ||
| I talked about Nick. | ||
| Then I got flagged. | ||
| The two are related. | ||
| Well, I appealed and it got rejected, but, you know, what's the explanation for that? | ||
| What's the evidence that the two are related? | ||
| Well, that I told him to ratio this tweet. | ||
| The evidence that I got his channel banned is that I told people to post a picture in reply to his tweet after he had gotten banned. | ||
| So make that one make sense. | ||
| You got banned, you blame it on me, you tweet about how you got banned because of me, and you say the evidence that I got you banned is that I replied to your tweet saying that I got you banned. | ||
| How does that make any sense? | ||
| That just doesn't work. | ||
| Evidence that I got you banned in this thread is that I replied to you being banned. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, in response to this, Destiny goes on a stream and pulls up Big Tech. | ||
| Big Tech is a streamer on this website. | ||
| And Big Tech did tell his audience to flag Mr. Girl, not Destiny. | ||
| Big Tech told his fans to flag Mr. Girl. | ||
| And so Destiny amplifies this threat and says, yeah, it's Nick's fault. | ||
| And Destiny goes on a stream and says, Nick isn't really so free speech after all because the Groipers are flagging people. | ||
| Now, I'm the leader of the Groipers, not Big Tech. | ||
| This is a platform that doesn't have just Groipers on it. | ||
| It has all kinds of people that have various levels of engagement with the Groipers. | ||
| I wouldn't say that Big Tech is one that's very close. | ||
| Big Tech has feuded with a lot of the Groipers. | ||
| Almost all of them, in fact. | ||
| And we also have people on here that aren't even Groipers. | ||
| But Destiny's been going around saying, you know, I can't engage with Nick anymore because his Groipers are flagging my friends. | ||
| He said, and he said, I'm engaging in good faith with Nick, but there have to be some rules. | ||
| If I'm engaging with Nick, and the Gripers are flagging people I know, well that makes me not want to engage. | ||
| Conveniently, he says this the same week that we're supposed to have a debate. | ||
| about the JFK assassination. | ||
| Conveniently, he says this the week that Sneko says he's gonna get on cozy. | ||
| And he makes sure to tell Sneko about this. | ||
| He makes sure to tell Sneko that, oh, Mr. Gruyper's flagged Mr. Girl. | ||
| So, conveniently, he's saying, well, I can't talk with Nick because someone on Nick's site flagged my friend. | ||
| And now, I understand in principle where he's coming from. | ||
| I understand what he's saying. | ||
| That if one side is flagging down the other side, that that ceases to be a friendly engagement or something like that. | ||
| I understand where he's coming from. | ||
| I understand in principle what he's saying. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But in light of what's been going on, I said on my show, and this is the clip that he reacted to, and we're gonna react to his reaction, What I said is I think that's a convenient excuse. | ||
| I think that Destiny sees the writing on the wall, which is that his fans like me, Sneeko likes me, Sneeko's gonna get on Cozy, Sneeko's gonna bring a huge audience to Cozy. | ||
| And Destiny is still an activist who has told me to my face, I want you to not succeed. | ||
| Your movement is completely opposed to my project, and I want to convert your followers into my followers, and I want your movement to fail. | ||
| And because of Sneeko getting deplatformed, he's gonna jump on my site. | ||
| And because of these debates with Destiny, people are gonna visit my site. | ||
| It's gonna help me. | ||
| Now, again, I understand in principle what he's saying, but he's going to come on the show, he's going to come on his stream and say, well, the reason I can't follow through with this debate, and the reason that I'm going to take a step back now, is because someone on Nick's site flagged my friend. | ||
| I just think that's weak. | ||
| It'd be one thing if I said Flag Destiny. | ||
| I would totally agree. | ||
| I would say you're right. | ||
| If I got on my show and said, Groyper's Flag Destiny, totally. | ||
| If I got on my show and said, Groyper's Flag Mr. Girl, I would also agree. | ||
| I would also agree if Big Tech said, Groyper's Flag Destiny. | ||
| But it's indirect in both ways. | ||
| And I wasn't a fan of it. | ||
| I don't support what Big Tech did. | ||
| And I said that. | ||
| I said that before. | ||
| I said that after. | ||
| I said that to his face on Destiny's Stream. | ||
| I said, I don't support that. | ||
| I said, you've been good faith. | ||
| I want to reciprocate the respect you've shown. | ||
| But it's a little bit spurious to me. | ||
| It's hard for me to believe that because Someone who's peripherally associated on my website flagged somebody who is associated with Destiny that me and Destiny can't have a good faith discussion? | ||
| Something that someone else did to someone else prevents the two principles from engaging? | ||
| I said, you know, I get where he's coming from, but it just doesn't seem to me like a strong argument. | ||
| So I said, I think that he's being bad faith. | ||
| I said, I think that that's a convenient excuse to tell Sneko, hey, maybe these guys reported you. | ||
| They reported Mr. Girl. | ||
| Maybe they reported you, which we didn't. | ||
| And ice that. | ||
| And then for him to bow out of a debate that we had scheduled for earlier this week on Tuesday. | ||
| We had a debate scheduled on Tuesday at 8 o'clock, which he just ghosted. | ||
| He didn't come out and say, I'm not doing the debate. | ||
| He just pretended like we never scheduled it. | ||
| And then I texted him and texted him and texted him and said, hey, are we on? | ||
| Are we on? | ||
| What time? | ||
| Who's going to host it? | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I said, hey, are we still on? | ||
| I don't want to read DMs, but I think I said three or four times, are we still on for tomorrow? | ||
| Are we still on for tomorrow? | ||
| Are we still on for tomorrow? | ||
| And he just didn't reply. | ||
| And then when I got on a stream, which he didn't invite me on to, when Big Tech flagged Mr. Girl, Destiny brought Mr. Girl on and Beardson on, but didn't invite me. | ||
| And then I texted him, and he ignored me while they were on the stream. | ||
| And then only after I texted Beardson, who was on with Destiny, and said, hey, get me on, and Beardson said, hey, Nick wants on, did Destiny say, oh, okay? | ||
| And then he texted me, oh, text Britney to get on the call. | ||
| So then I had to go and get Britney to get me on the call, and then he said, hey, Destiny, are we still on for tomorrow? | ||
| And he goes, oh, I don't know, maybe, I'm not sure. | ||
| He had no intention of doing that debate. | ||
| He didn't say, no, I'm not doing the debate. | ||
| He said, oh, I don't know. | ||
| And so all I said yesterday was, look, I'm not buying it. | ||
| I just said, look, I'm not buying it. | ||
| Based on those behaviors, what it seems to me is like it's an excuse. | ||
| It seems to me like Destiny doesn't want to help me too much. | ||
| He wants to help himself by engaging with me, but not help me more than he's helping himself. | ||
| And I think he sees that maybe I'm helping myself too much and says, well, let's put some ice on it. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| I'm gonna blow something out of proportion and kind of be a little bit sneaky about something and then quietly bow out of this and try and ice this thing. | ||
| That's what it seemed like to me. | ||
| That's just my, that's my opinion. | ||
| Now we're gonna review all the evidence, and you tell me if you agree. | ||
| You tell me if you agree with my assessment, or if you think that Destiny's telling the truth, because conversely, maybe Destiny's being totally forthright, and he's saying, no, I just really am so concerned about Big Tech, who was reprimanded, flagging someone else, that now I can't talk to you. | ||
| And if he's being honest about that, you're gonna be the judge, okay? | ||
| So this was, this set the stage. | ||
| And also, Destiny, so we're gonna review... I talk about this, and I also talk about another subject that I thought Destiny was not being 100% honest on. | ||
| And we'll review this, and you tell me what you think, okay? | ||
| But this is Destiny. | ||
| This is me, reacting to Destiny, reacting to my show from last night. | ||
| And this is important. | ||
| And you gotta let me know what you think, okay? | ||
| See them. | ||
| If you respond to a clip that is, or to like a don't know message, it's probably mis- Rewind a little bit. | ||
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Thing. | |
| You can just say anything! | ||
| Chris, I'm saying that in that video. | ||
| You guys- I remember. | ||
| Is that when you see them. | ||
| If you respond to a clip- Alright, here we go. | ||
| Pretty underscore fly underscore white underscore guy sent $3.89. | ||
| How does Destiny say things like, IQ is heritable but not genetic? | ||
| Because he knows that it is, but he doesn't want to. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm continuing to point things out when you see them. | ||
| If you respond to a clip that is, or to like a don't know message, probably misrepresenting something I've said, it shows that you are scared to have the conversation, or you are scared to earnestly engage with the idea, okay? | ||
| How does Destiny say things like, IQ is heritable, but not genetic? | ||
| This sentence barely even makes sense on its own. | ||
| It's a more complicated conversation than that. | ||
| And also, I would never say something is heritable, but not genetic. | ||
| Also, the idea that anything is heritable or not Hang on, hang on. | ||
| Now time out, time out. | ||
| So let's consider what he said. | ||
| The Super Chat says, how does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic? | ||
| Which he did say. | ||
| And let's pull up the tape. | ||
| Okay, let's pull up the transcript. | ||
| This was Destiny's interview on No Jumper. | ||
| This is the transcript of that stream which is what this super chat is referring to. | ||
| We're going to read the transcript and play the clip. | ||
| He's asked about IQ and genetics. | ||
| Okay, so let's let's play the clip. | ||
| To somebody who believes in race realism, like on a show like this, they'd probably say like, oh, well, it just means that like, you know, different people have like different cultures and you know, like, yeah, you know, like Asian people look different than black people, whatever. | ||
| But typically, what it really means is, there are very ingrained parts of our brains that are like genetically determined. | ||
| that are gonna mean that like white, like black people are always gonna be pretty dumb compared to white people, and they've got like genes for being warriors, and that's why they're violent, and Asian people have like the math gene, and Jewish people have like, like people are, that's typically what race skills are. - But do you buy into that? | ||
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Like are there like IQ differences between races? | |
| Does this check out? - So there's two answers to give this. | ||
| So the politically correct and mostly left answer is that like- - Hang on, hang on. | ||
| Question. | ||
| Are there IQ differences between the races? | ||
| That's the question. | ||
| Let's go to the letter of it because I know we like to talk fast, talk fast, talk fast, talk fast, answer questions that aren't asked. | ||
| Let's go to the transcript. | ||
| He says... Do you buy into that? | ||
| This is what the transcript says. | ||
| Adam22 says, do you buy into that? | ||
| Like, are there like IQ differences between races? | ||
| Does this check out? | ||
| That's, pause, that's the question. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| This is at the 1 hour 41 second mark. | ||
| Question, do you buy into that? | ||
| Are there IQ differences between the races? | ||
| Are there IQ differences between the races? | ||
| Do the different races have different IQ? | ||
| Okay, just so we understand. | ||
| He says there's two answers. | ||
| There's a politically correct answer, which is... ...can account for a lot of stuff. | ||
| And that science is so complicated, because even stuff that has a very, very, very high amount of genetic inheritance might have a very low heritability number, if this makes sense. | ||
| So, for instance, if you've got... | ||
| Hang on. | ||
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Question. | |
| Question! | ||
| Are there IQ differences between the races? | ||
| Answer! | ||
| There's two answers. | ||
| There's politically correct answer, mostly left answer, is that, like, cultural differences can account for a lot of stuff. | ||
| Science is complicated. | ||
| Are there IQ differences between the races? | ||
| Culture accounts for a lot of things. | ||
| Science is complicated. | ||
| Does that answer the question? | ||
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It's a simple question. | |
| Not, where do differences come from? | ||
| Are there differences? | ||
| If I say, you know, is this apple a different color than this orange? | ||
| Is there a color differences between these fruits? | ||
| And you said, well, culture accounts for a lot of things. | ||
| That doesn't answer the question. | ||
| Is this orange and is this apple red? | ||
| Well, you know, culture accounts for many things. | ||
| Okay, there's the apple red and the orange orange. | ||
| And then, so he doesn't answer the question. | ||
| And then he says the thing that he said he didn't say. | ||
| This is the super chat. | ||
| How does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic? | ||
| What did he say in the transcript? | ||
| We'll play it again. | ||
| And that science is so complicated because even stuff that has a very, very, very high amount of genetic inheritance might have like a very low like heritability number. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| So like, OK, even stuff, presumably like IQ, that has a very high amount of genetic inheritance might have a very low heritability. | ||
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| What? | ||
| He said, even stuff that has a very... I'm reading the transcript. | ||
| This is what you said. | ||
| This is the black and white what you said. | ||
| The science is so complicated, even stuff that has a very, very high amount of genetic inheritance might have a very low heritability. | ||
| What did the Super Chats say? | ||
| How does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable, but not genetic? | ||
| It has a high amount of genetic inheritance, but a low heritability. | ||
| Is that not what he said? | ||
| You tell me. | ||
| Let's go on. | ||
| For instance, like if you've got like five plants with the same exact genes and like some of them are growing really well and some of them aren't, like the only thing contributing to the difference in that height, even though it's a very genetically determined trait, might be the fact that you're not feeding some of them. | ||
| They're not getting watered enough, right? | ||
| So even though it's a really genetically determined trait, the differences can be because of environmental causes. | ||
| When it comes to intelligence, I think we've identified like over 200 different genes related to it. | ||
| So then he brings in this example and says, if you don't water a plant, it won't grow. | ||
| Yeah, and if you don't feed a person, they won't grow up. | ||
| But are black people going to become white because of their environment? | ||
| Are Asian people going to not have slanty eyes because of their environment? | ||
| Are they going to not have fine black hair because of their environment? | ||
| No! | ||
| These kinds of phenotypic characteristics, we're talking about two different things. | ||
| A plant won't grow because it's not watered shows that environment is, of course, environment is a factor on certain things. | ||
| But that has no bearing on what we're talking about, which doesn't even, and by the way, doesn't even answer the question. | ||
| Are there race IQ differences? | ||
| Well, environment accounts for the race IQ differences. | ||
| Okay, so are there or are there not? | ||
| He goes on. | ||
| To intelligence. | ||
| The real answer is there might be some differences in some ways between groups of people. | ||
| But all of these, you'd call them like intelligence is a polygenetic trait. | ||
| There's a ton of different genes that play into it. | ||
| I don't think anybody's done enough research yet to be comfortable enough to be like, oh, yeah, I can definitely say this whole group of people and these groups of people are different because of their genes or whatever. | ||
| This is where it just gets like this guy, this guy is respected as a debate, bro. | ||
| This guy is respected because of his cutting precision? | ||
| His cutting precision and argument? | ||
| I mean, I just want to rip apart the argument first, then we'll get into the other thing. | ||
| So the question is, are there race differences in IQ? | ||
| He says, well, there's a lot of answers. | ||
| Well, science is complicated. | ||
| Well, environment accounts for things. | ||
| Which, by the way, none of that answers the question. | ||
| None of it is in dispute. | ||
| Nobody says that science isn't complicated. | ||
| Nobody says that environment doesn't have an impact on things. | ||
| On lots of things. | ||
| But then look at the weasel words here. | ||
| Look at the... And I'm not calling him a weasel. | ||
| I'm saying they're weasel words. | ||
| He says... Let's see. | ||
| So he says, uh, the science is really complicated. | ||
| Environment accounts for a lot of things. | ||
| Plants don't grow if they're not watered. | ||
| Things that may be very heritable might also have a low heritability. | ||
| Then he says, um, he says, well, we've identified 200 genes related to intelligence. | ||
| The real answer is there might be some differences in some ways. | ||
| Reading the transcript here. | ||
| So, science is complicated. | ||
| Environment accounts for things. | ||
| If you don't water a plant, it doesn't grow. | ||
| When it comes to intelligence, there are 200 genes related to intelligence. | ||
| Quote, the real answer, the real answer, so the first answer is politically correct, is environment accounts for things. | ||
| But the real answer is there might be some differences in some ways between groups of people. | ||
| There might be some differences in some things that are genetic. | ||
| Might be some differences in some ways. | ||
| Might be some differences in some ways. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| How about there are differences in things? | ||
| For example, black people are black because of genetics. | ||
| They are. | ||
| Black people are black and white people are white because of genetics. | ||
| There's probably not one gene that makes them black, but it's a genetic trait. | ||
| It is a trait that is inherited through the genes. | ||
| That is why black people are black and white people are white. | ||
| That's why black people's skulls are identifiable as African. | ||
| That's why black people have a different stature than white people physically. | ||
| That's why they have a different texture of their hair and a different color of their iris. | ||
| There might be some differences between people. | ||
| No, there are differences between people. | ||
| There might be some differences between some people. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Or maybe not. | ||
| There may be no differences between anybody. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| If you say there might be some differences between some people, you're saying there might be. | ||
| You're saying that means there also might not be. | ||
| There might not be any differences between anybody. | ||
| Really? | ||
| There might not be any differences between anybody. | ||
| No, there's obviously some differences between some people. | ||
| So it's not might, it ain't, it's not might. | ||
| There are some differences between some people. | ||
| So that's a weasel word. | ||
| There not might be, there are some differences between some people. | ||
| Now, as to what those are, that's the basis of the question. | ||
| Is IQ one of them? | ||
| Well, there might be some differences. | ||
| Are there race and IQ differences? | ||
| Well, the real answer is that maybe people are different. | ||
| In some ways. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He says, but of all these, you'd call them like intelligence is a polygenetic trait. | ||
| Big word, meaning multiple genes. | ||
| There's a ton of different genes that play into it. | ||
| I don't think anybody's done enough research yet to be comfortable enough to be like, oh yeah, I can definitely say this whole group of people and these groups of people are different because of, you know, their genes or whatever. | ||
| It's just way too complicated an issue. | ||
| So what, so... | ||
| Here's the question. | ||
| Here's the pitch. | ||
| Here's your easy to answer question. | ||
| Are there racial differences in IQ? | ||
| The answer is, by the way, the answer is yes. | ||
| The debate is not that these are measured. | ||
| Because you give IQ tests to people. | ||
| You can look at the SAT scores. | ||
| You can look at the IQ scores. | ||
| IQ tests have been administered. | ||
| SAT tests have been administered. | ||
| We can estimate people's IQs. | ||
| There is no debate about whether or not disparities between groups have been measured. | ||
| That is a fact. | ||
| The debate is about why you get those disparities. | ||
| Nobody's arguing that there are not differences. | ||
| Nobody can show me a study where black people got a higher IQ than white people, or that white and black people got the same IQ score. | ||
| That's not out there. | ||
| All of the IQ data shows that it breaks down Asians, Whites, Hispanics, Blacks. | ||
| That's the way the SAT scores break down. | ||
| It just so happens that's the way income and wealth breaks down. | ||
| That's the way criminality breaks down. | ||
| And it's also how IQ tests always break down. | ||
| You could say very confidently that yes, there are IQ differences between the races. | ||
| That's the question. | ||
| His answer is, as we just read, Do different races have different IQs? | ||
| It's complicated. | ||
| He says it's complicated, but there's two answers. | ||
| The politically correct answer is that the reason the races have different IQs is because of environmental factors. | ||
| Because if you don't water a plant, it won't grow. | ||
| The real answer is that there are so many genes that account for IQ That nobody really knows. | ||
| Nobody can say which gene is responsible for, definitely responsible for the IQ differences between people. | ||
| That's the real answer. | ||
| Are there IQ differences between the races? | ||
| The real answer is that IQ is heritable by many different genes and no one can definitively say which one the gene is. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| It's just too complicated. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| Sorry, I'm calling bullshit. | ||
| You didn't answer the question. | ||
| You answered a different question. | ||
| If he had said, why are there IQ differences between the races? | ||
| Okay, but that's not what he asked. | ||
| And then even within the answer, even within the answer to the question that was not asked, there's these weasel words. | ||
| There might be some differences between some people. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| But then he says, I don't think anybody's done enough research to be comfortable to say, I can definitely say this whole group and these groups of people are different because of their genes. | ||
| There might be some differences between some people, but nobody's done enough research to comfortably say they're definitely different for this reason. | ||
| So you just don't know anything. | ||
| Well, it's complicated, and maybe there are differences between people, maybe there aren't. | ||
| The real answer is that genes account for IQ, but we don't know which one, and nobody's really done the research to say that genes account for IQ at all. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Now it gets better. | ||
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| You're like, oh yeah, I can definitely say this whole group of people and these groups of people are different because of, you know, their genes or whatever. | ||
| It's just, it's way too complicated an issue. | ||
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| But, okay, but like, what's your best guess, though? | ||
| I really don't know, man. | ||
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Man, come with us. | |
| You know, man. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Come with us. | ||
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You know, man. | |
| I know that you want to say that, so... What's your best guess? | ||
| What's your best guess? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have no idea! | ||
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Really? | |
| You don't have any idea? | ||
| Well, the reason that there are these huge racial disparities, it's because, well the politically correct thing is because of the environment. | ||
| The real answer is that there's a lot of genes. | ||
| And we don't know. | ||
| It's just so complicated. | ||
| Nobody's done the research. | ||
| Oh, well take a guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You just don't know anything. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| Necessarily, then, you don't know that it's not genes. | ||
| If you don't know, you don't know that it is, you don't know that it isn't. | ||
| So you don't really know. | ||
| You don't really know the source of human inequality. | ||
| Human inequality is one of the most pressing issues of our time. | ||
| If you're an individualist liberal who believes in mass immigration and multiracialism, And you believe that the, you know, it's implicit in your beliefs that people are different because of, you know, blank slate. | ||
| Their environment determines their outcomes. | ||
| But then you go and say, well, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know about genes. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't I don't even seen the research. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You don't know how much of it is genes. | ||
| You don't know how much of it isn't genes. | ||
| You say that it's heritable, but also it's not. | ||
| You say that there's hundreds of genes that determine IQ. | ||
| And really, it's just so complicated that nobody knows, I guess, which one it is or which combination it is. | ||
| Because plants don't grow if they're watered. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| My worldview is very straightforward. | ||
| There are disparities. | ||
| Where do you get them? | ||
| Differences in people. | ||
| So what? | ||
| We've got to consider those differences when we make big decisions. | ||
| When we're trying to correct inequality, you know, manage our multiracial society with these disparities, we've got to know from where they come. | ||
| His position is, you know, I'm a liberal, we're all equal, we're all individuals, we have a big country with people because, you know... But I just don't know where these differences come from. | ||
| I don't know if they're environmental. | ||
| I don't know if they're from genetics. | ||
| I don't know why people are different. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| And once again, the evasion of the question, are there race and IQ differences? | ||
| Uh, well, it's just complicated. | ||
| Uh, there's just hundreds of, uh, genetics and flowers and, um... I'll take a guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just so complicated. | ||
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I lean towards... Why do you want to say that when you're in this alleged hierarchy? | |
| No, no, because he thinks, because he thinks that I'm thinking, like, there's probably a difference, but I don't want to say it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So here's, like, my one thing that makes me think sometimes. | ||
| Two things, okay? | ||
| Um... Check this out. | ||
| Fuck, I wish I remembered the names. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| He says the black guy thinks that I secretly think it's IQ but I just won't say it. | ||
| So here's his counter to that. | ||
| Here's his counter to what we're saying, which is you know it's IQ but you won't say it. | ||
| Um, Guy, Guy believes, I think that everybody in life can do anything. | ||
| I don't believe in genes at all. | ||
| Well, he believes in genes. | ||
| He's like, anybody can be trained to do anything. | ||
| And him and his wife have these two daughters. | ||
| He's like, they're going to be fucking chess grandmasters. | ||
| And he trains these two daughters up. | ||
| And I'm pretty sure the older sister is the only one that's ever been like competitive with male grandmasters. | ||
| She was like in the top hundred, like only woman chess player. | ||
| And the younger sister is also very, very, very good chess player. | ||
| Um, and it was just because the parents had that belief. | ||
| I was like, damn, that's pretty good. | ||
| Now, maybe they got lucky and they had good genes. | ||
| That's one thing that kind of makes me think. | ||
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Second, Okay? | |
| This is your guy. | ||
| This is your guy. | ||
| This is your debate bro. | ||
| This is your rationalist. | ||
| This is your source bro. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| This is how this conversation is going. | ||
| How much of difference is determined by genetics? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Take a guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But here's what I'll say. | ||
| One time, there was a guy that trained his daughters to play chess. | ||
| And they became chess grandmasters. | ||
| So that makes me think. | ||
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Okay? | |
| Here's the other thing. | ||
| Get this. | ||
| When you look at men and women, there's obviously a difference between men and women. | ||
| I believe there's a difference between men and women. | ||
| That's clear to see, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Um, so my background is music. | ||
| If you look at rock bands, okay? | ||
| How many good women guitar players are there? | ||
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Comparatively few. | |
| Like, less than 1%. | ||
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And really in all of, like, music in general. | |
| Pretty much popular music, right? | ||
| Almost. | ||
| But you were almost true, but completely wrong. | ||
| But I'll explain. | ||
| So this is so interesting. | ||
| If you look at, like, guitar plays and shit, yeah. | ||
| Now, when I look at that, and I look at what I know about men and women, men tend to have faster response times, probably a little bit more athletic coordination, etc., etc. | ||
| It makes sense that, like, maybe a woman wouldn't be able to play guitar like a man could, because she just doesn't have the, you know, women versus men. | ||
| But if you walk over into, like, the classical world, well now, when I look at, like, who all of these amazing violin players are, piano players, some of these women are fucking unbelievably quick. | ||
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Interesting. | |
| Amazing. | ||
| And then I look at that, and I'm like, okay, that's a crazy divide in gender to where there's, like, good rock female guitar players, there's, like, two. | ||
| I probably don't know. | ||
| There's probably more than that, but it's very, very, very rare. | ||
| But when I step into the classical world, we can Google right now, like, amazing woman pianist. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is what your worldview is built on. | ||
| This is what your egalitarian, genetics-denialist worldview is built on. | ||
| Your race-denialist worldview. | ||
| This is the argument! | ||
| Look at how it crumbles! | ||
| Look at how it crumbles without even any interrogation! | ||
| Point Blank! | ||
| Are there race IQ differences? | ||
| Well, it's just so complicated. | ||
| If you don't water a flower, it's not going to grow. | ||
| There's 200 genes that account for IQ. | ||
| And really, I don't think anyone can say maybe there's differences between people, maybe not. | ||
| But no one can definitively say that there are differences. | ||
| Well, take a guess. | ||
| Take a guess. | ||
| Is it? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Too complicated. | ||
| Well, come on, take a guess. | ||
| Well, here's what I'll say. | ||
| One time, there was a chess player that trained his daughters to play chess. | ||
| And then, also... And think about what he says here. | ||
| he didn't say I did a study about guitar players or I did a study about he said well you know um I don't think there are any very many uh female rock guitarists but uh like I've heard some really good women violin players and that's just really interesting That's just so interesting to me. | ||
| This is... Now here's why I say he's lying. | ||
| Because if he's not lying, then this is rough. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Now maybe I should have explained that. | ||
| The reason why I said that he's probably just concealing his views is because if he's not concealing his true conviction, which is that probably genetics determine IQ to a large degree. | ||
| Maybe not completely, but to a not insignificant degree. | ||
| Enough of a degree that it matters. | ||
| If he's not concealing a view that he believes that, then this is just plain embarrassing. | ||
| It's just, there's no, I'm sorry. | ||
| No, another way around it. | ||
| I'm not trying to bully you, but, you know, yeah, you know, you're gonna call me bad faith and everything? | ||
| This sucks, okay? | ||
| Are there race differences in IQ? | ||
| It's just so complicated. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Environment can play a factor, and genetics is so multifaceted. | ||
| Take a guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Well, I think there are not many girl guitar players, but there's a lot of girl violin players. | ||
| I bet you could Google that. | ||
| You didn't think to bother? | ||
| You didn't bother to do that? | ||
| You didn't bother to study that? | ||
| You didn't bother to... Well, here's an anecdote. | ||
| Here's an anecdote. | ||
| They're literally anecdotes! | ||
| They're literally anecdotes! | ||
| Is race genetically determined? | ||
| I don't know, but I heard a story about a good girl chess player, and I heard another story about a good girl violinist, and I think there's not a lot of girl rock bands. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right, now that we've reviewed that part... And we could listen to the rest, but it doesn't add any more context that is relevant here. | ||
| But so he, so, he's reviewing my show where a super chit says, how does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic? | ||
| Which he said. | ||
| He said it's, it may be, uh, highly, what did he say? | ||
| He said, um, before this rock pan business. | ||
| He said it's so complicated. | ||
| Things that have a very high amount of genetic inheritance might have a low heritability. | ||
| How does Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic? | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| But he goes in and says, um, well, that was taken out of context because that's a ridiculous statement that didn't make sense. | ||
| Well, there's your context. | ||
| And yeah, it didn't make sense. | ||
| You're definitely right about that. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Destiny say things like IQ is heritable but not genetic. | ||
| Because he knows that it is, but he doesn't want to. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm continuing to point things out when you see them. | ||
| If you respond to a clip that is, or to like a don't know message, it's probably misrepresenting something I've said. | ||
| It shows that you are scared to have the conversation. | ||
| Oh, see, and now, and here, and notice what he does here. | ||
| He doesn't say, oh, I didn't say that. | ||
| That's not my position. | ||
| My position is this. | ||
| He flips it and says, it's presupposed that it was taken out of context. | ||
| If you read this quote, you're dishonest. | ||
| Now he did say that. | ||
| The quote was not taken out of context and it is something he said. | ||
| But here he is sitting there saying, I didn't say that and if you think I did, well you're afraid of arguing with me. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You just knew that right out of the gate. | ||
| Oh, actually, you're the liar! | ||
| You're the liar! | ||
| I didn't- I never said something stupid. | ||
| You're just a liar. | ||
| You're afraid of me. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Hmm. | ||
| It barely even makes sense. | ||
| Let's try this one on for size. | ||
| Stuff that has a high amount of inheritance might have a low heritability. | ||
| but not genetic. | ||
| This sentence barely even makes sense. | ||
| It barely even makes sense. | ||
| Let's try this one on for size. | ||
| Stuff that has a high amount of inheritance might have a low heritability. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| On its own. | ||
| It's a more a more complicated conversation than that. | ||
| And also, I would never say something is heritable, but not genetic. | ||
| Also, the idea that anything is heritable or not isn't the interesting question. | ||
| The idea is comparing the heritability of a trait versus like the environmental factors of a trait between either different people or groups of people. | ||
| That's the interesting question. | ||
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Not like, how can it be heritable, but not genetic? | |
| What is this? | ||
| What the fuck is this? | ||
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Yeah, I know. | |
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm just as mad as you are. | ||
| I'm just as mad as you are. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What the What the fuck did he mean when he said that? | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Yeah, that's you. | ||
| You said that. | ||
| You do a retard voice. | ||
| You said it. | ||
| That's not the interesting question. | ||
| The interesting question is, is it environmental or genetic? | ||
| Well, it's not that interesting because you don't even have an answer. | ||
| Well, the interesting question is, is it environmental or is it genetic? | ||
| Well, oh, have you really? | ||
| It's so interesting that your only substance on that is... Well, it's just so complicated. | ||
| There's just so many genes. | ||
| Nobody knows. | ||
| There's no research. | ||
| And anyway, there was a girl chess player one time. | ||
| Yeah, super interesting, by the way. | ||
| I don't even know what the fuck we're asking here. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Because he knows that it is, but he doesn't want to say it. | ||
| That's the problem with these people when they say, oh it's dog whistles and this and that. | ||
| It's like, you agree! | ||
| I didn't even say it was dog whistles. | ||
| I just said that researching highly- Wait a second, you didn't say it was dog whistles? | ||
| Pull up the tape! | ||
| Source! | ||
| Source! | ||
| Pull up the tape! | ||
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It's like code for racism nowadays or like how do you like because like the Nick Fuentes thing it's weird like watching you have a conversation with him because it's kind of like there's like a subtext to everything he's saying and you're trying to like kind of decode that for the audience. | |
| Sometimes, yeah. | ||
| So race realism is this idea that there are distinct human races and there are big biological differences between said races. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you're talking to somebody who believes in race realism, like on a show like this, they'd probably say like, oh, well, it just means that like, you know, different people have like different cultures and you know, like, yeah, you know, like Asian people look different than black people, whatever. | ||
| But typically what it really means is there are very ingrained parts of our brains that are like genetically determined. | ||
| that are going to mean that like white like black people are always going to be pretty dumb compared to white people and they've got like genes for being warriors and that's why they're violent and Asian people have like the math gene and Jewish people have like what like people that's that's typically what race do you buy into that. | ||
| Okay, so he did say it's coded language. | ||
| what they say is what they mean is the polygenetic traits like intelligence meaning traits that are comprised of many many many different genes and they're trying to figure out how much is attributable to a biological factor versus some environmental factor because genes can be turned on and off be environments that they interact environments every way it's a really really complicated question you agree You just don't like where it will lead you. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| He agrees with us on so much, but he just doesn't like where it leads. | ||
| So he just says, oh, I don't know how much of IQ is genetic. | ||
| I also don't like that you're afraid where it leads. | ||
| I don't have an ideological commitment to anything. | ||
| I'll go. | ||
| I just. | ||
| OK, so he goes, he goes, Well, the real question is how, you're misinterpreting me. | ||
| What I said is that it's interesting how much of behavior and phenotype is determined by genetics or by environment. | ||
| Or how many, how much of people's characteristics are determined by an environment or their genetics. | ||
| And then I repeat back to him, I said, you know, how much is environment or genetics? | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how much it is. | ||
| And that's what I'm saying. | ||
| You wanna say, oh I don't know, no one can know. | ||
| Because it's apparent that genetics play a big role, and you don't like where that goes. | ||
| He's willing to admit, well there might be some things and some differences, but nobody knows definitively which gene does it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And you're not even interested in answering the question. | ||
| Do you know? | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't even know. | ||
| So how can you say? | ||
| We're just gonna ask these questions? | ||
| Hmm, I wonder how much. | ||
| Anyway, I wonder how much of IQ is genetic or environmental? | ||
| I'm not gonna bother to research that. | ||
| A girl played chess one time. | ||
| Anywhere. | ||
| You're the leader of a political movement. | ||
| You are far more likely to suffer from audience capture than I am. | ||
| I've proven multiple times over my career, I'll axe half my fucking fanbase if I think that they disagree with me. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Like, I'm here to say what I believe, and I believe what I say. | ||
| Like, full stop. | ||
| Whereas, I don't know if you would torpedo your entire political movement if you were to start to disagree with them over things. | ||
| The argument for audience capture is far greater in favor of your political beliefs than mine. | ||
| You see, once again, do you see this recurrent pattern of, you know, Destiny said this. | ||
| Oh, I didn't say that. | ||
| If you think I said that, you're a liar. | ||
| That's how it started. | ||
| Something he did say and then just repeated verbatim. | ||
| Oh, if you even thought I said what the Super Chat said I said, well, you're afraid to engage with me honestly. | ||
| And then I restated exactly what he said. | ||
| Destiny says he doesn't know how much of IQ is genetic or environmental. | ||
| But deep down, that's because he knows it's genetic. | ||
| But he just doesn't like the implications of that. | ||
| And what's his rebuttal to that? | ||
| He says, well if anything, you're a liar! | ||
| If anything, you're more likely to be a liar because I don't like this afraid where it will lead because I'm not afraid that my audience will leave me. | ||
| That's not what anybody said. | ||
| I say what I believe and I believe what I say. | ||
| I didn't challenge that either. | ||
| I think you don't want to believe that. | ||
| I think you have your beliefs and I think you don't want to challenge your beliefs. | ||
| I don't think you want your beliefs to be something else. | ||
| I think he's earnest. | ||
| I think he says what he believes and he believes what he says. | ||
| But I think that deep down he's afraid of where that will go. | ||
| That's why he's okay with saying, I don't know. | ||
| That's why he's okay with stopping at that point. | ||
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Which is what I said! | |
| He's gonna say, oh I don't know how much of it is determined, not willing to guess, not willing to speculate, not really even willing to... Where's the evidence that we don't know? | ||
| That there's a chess player? | ||
| There's just no... | ||
| He's not interested in that, to the extent that he knows that it is very plausible that IQ is very much determined by genes, and I don't think that he's afraid that his audience will leave him. | ||
| And how that pertains to me and my likelihood to change my views based on my fear of my audience leaving. | ||
| It's got to do with, you've got a liberal worldview. | ||
| You've got a liberal disposition, a very particular kind of worldview. | ||
| I don't think you want to believe that. | ||
| I don't think you like where that goes. | ||
| If people have different IQs, where does that take you? | ||
| I don't know that he's afraid that his audience will leave him. | ||
| I think he's afraid of where it will take him. | ||
| Mentally, ideologically. | ||
| Which he doesn't engage with. | ||
| He just says, well, if anything, you're more likely to not see your real views. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I couldn't guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It might be a little bit, but I don't know. | ||
| Like, oh, come on. | ||
| You're not interested? | ||
| You don't know? | ||
| Or you don't like the answer? | ||
| I think it's pretty obvious. | ||
| He was on that No Jumper podcast and And the black guy's going, you know, what do you think about race and IQ? | ||
| And he goes, well, um, I don't know, because sometimes plants can be different based on their environment. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| He goes, so how genetic do you think it is? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Take a guess. | ||
| I couldn't. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| So you've just debated race and IQ for seven years, and you've looked at the science more than anybody. | ||
| You've debated all hype and all these guys. | ||
| You just have no idea. | ||
| Oh, you know. | ||
| You know that it's more To the extent that you're willing to admit you know it's more determined by genetics. | ||
| I really don't, I just don't like the projection. | ||
| I also think that at this point... Well wait, but is it true? | ||
| Don't engage with what I'm saying. | ||
| Don't engage with the fact that your refusal to engage with it belies the fact that there's a reason you own it. | ||
| It's the lack of engagement. | ||
| I don't have a problem with the argument. | ||
| He's not out there arguing it's genetic or it's not genetic, it's environmental. | ||
| He's saying, I don't know, and I'm really just not that interested. | ||
| And I'm saying, well, you're not interested because if he became interested, you'd probably come to some troubling conclusions. | ||
| And instead of engaging with that and saying, no, I have done the reading, I have done this, and what I've determined is it's inconclusive. | ||
| He says, well, actually, you're dishonest. | ||
| Well, you're projecting something. | ||
| I think I have the credit that it's pretty obvious that I say what I mean and I mean what I say. | ||
| Like, after Rittenhouse, after the trans stuff in Keffels, after the Hasan Vashj communism shit, like, it's not like anything has ever leaked from me, like audio or DMs, where I'm like, actually, I think black people are subhuman, guys, and blah blah blah. | ||
| Like, this has never happened before. | ||
| I'm pretty consistent through and through with what I believe, and I've argued it with a ton of different people. | ||
| Um, it's just such a lazy engagement with things that I say. | ||
| Rather than, like, engaging with the substance of what I'm saying, just saying, oh, well, I think that he's lying. | ||
| Come on, really? | ||
| Engage with the substance? | ||
| What's the substance? | ||
| Girl chess player? | ||
| Girl violin player? | ||
| You don't water a plant? | ||
| It's not gonna grow? | ||
| That's the point! | ||
| There's nothing to engage with! | ||
| I am engaging with it. | ||
| I'm saying it's just like woefully insufficient here to just say it's inconclusive and I don't need to go any further. | ||
| It's like he's not interested in 9-11. | ||
| He's not interested in the existence of God. | ||
| He's not interested in the afterlife. | ||
| He's not interested in... what is he interested in then? | ||
| Whether or not trannies are real or something? | ||
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Uh... then not. | |
| More than you'd care to admit and you don't like what the implications are of that. | ||
| And that's really what it's about. | ||
| He's just not honest. | ||
| There's one thing if you say it's genetically determined, but we shouldn't talk about it for X, Y, Z reason. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Well, it is, race and IQ is genetic, but I don't like where that conversation leads. | ||
| I don't think it's useful. | ||
| I think it's, creates... | ||
| If I believe that, I would just say that. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Of all the things, of all the fights I've picked in the past, of all the positions I've staked out, do you really think race realism, do you really think that IQ and genes would be one of the ones that I'd be afraid of? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Do you really think? | ||
| Yeah, I think that Anybody who looks at it knows that genetics plays a fact in IQ. | ||
| For him to not say on that podcast, yes, genetics plays a big role. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| It is dishonest. | ||
| Your failure to acknowledge that is... You're not a dummy. | ||
| You know better. | ||
| You know that genetics maybe isn't all of it, but it's enough of it that it matters. | ||
| But you're not even willing to say that! | ||
| The most you'll say is, there might be some differences between some people. | ||
| Seriously? | ||
| And we just have no idea. | ||
| There are IQ genes, but we just don't really know anything. | ||
| And what makes me think is a girl played chess. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| Don't belittle me. | ||
| You really think? | ||
| Yeah, I really do. | ||
| I really do think so. | ||
| I really do think that because the conclusion is troubling. | ||
| The conclusion is scary. | ||
| It is troubling. | ||
| And it's not that the fans are not going to agree. | ||
| The troubling thing is that human equality is baked into the cake. | ||
| That's sad. | ||
| That's sad, and it's tragic, and it calls into question all of liberal orthodoxy. | ||
| What does that mean for a utilitarian if the most populous race in the world is two standard deviations in intelligence below white people? | ||
| It's disturbing. | ||
| It's straight up troubling. | ||
| And yeah, do you really believe Yeah, I do really believe that you would say that rather than what, Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have let himself be killed? | ||
| Yeah, it's a little different. | ||
| Kyle Rittenhouse should defend himself when people are chasing him with guns. | ||
| That's a little different than saying human inequality is baked into the cake. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| Not everybody can be everything. | ||
| Not anyone can be anything. | ||
| It destroys the edifice of liberalism. | ||
| This blank slate stuff, constructivism, all of it, blows it out of the water. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| What do you do as a liberal utilitarian if you got a billion, four billion black people in 2100 with an average IQ of 75? | ||
| It's horrifying. | ||
| I do really think that. | ||
| And I think that your refusal to engage with, to even admit that, because he's not saying environment is 100%, he's saying, I don't know. | ||
| And what that means is he's, that's a concession. | ||
| Because if he thought that genetics played no significant role, he would just say that. | ||
| Genetics plays no significant role. | ||
| Environmental determines almost everything. | ||
| And therefore, XYZ. | ||
| But he's saying, well, it's just, it's unknowable. | ||
| It's not unknowable. | ||
| It's not unknowable. | ||
| It's not really that complicated. | ||
| The studies are out there, the data's out there, it's not inconclusive. | ||
| Your counter-argument is that a girl learned to play the violin but not the guitar? | ||
| What does that even have to do with anything? | ||
| for extremism okay at least that's something you could argue with but it's just dishonest to say oh i don't know i don't know it's like not uh i just have no idea how genetic it is okay well then you need to get an idea yeah you do yeah you need to get an idea yeah you gotta There's one side saying, look, disparities exist because inequality's baked into the cake. | ||
| The other side is saying, I don't know. | ||
| We can't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You're a racist if you think there are, though. | ||
| But if you think there are, you're a fucking racist Nazi. | ||
| If you think there are differences, you're a racist, and you think that everything's biologically determined, you're a racist Nazi. | ||
| Not a Nazi, but whatever. | ||
| You're a racist, you're... Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Justin sent $3. | ||
| Destiny doesn't care about the mass reporting. | ||
| He didn't want to get Molly whopped in the JFK debate. | ||
| Holla. | ||
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Holla! | |
| That's so true, Justin. | ||
| I'm glad you finally said it. | ||
| He totally was blowing it out of proportion for that reason. | ||
| I think he wanted a reason to disengage. | ||
| He wanted... Okay, there's two parts to the JFK debate. | ||
| One is I put a lot of effort into the 9-11 debate and he backed off of every single claim almost instantaneously and almost completely. | ||
| Not true! | ||
| Not true! | ||
| I don't have the Sneako stream because it's privated, but when we run the Sneako stream and someone else can help me and pull up the tape, we schedule the debate. | ||
| The 9-11 debate was supposed to be with Sneko. | ||
| And the JFK debate was supposed to be with me. | ||
| Destiny said, okay, what day do you want to do the... It was on my birthday. | ||
| My birthday was on Thursday, August 18th. | ||
| They scheduled it for Monday. | ||
| So that would have been the 22nd or the 23rd. | ||
| And I know that I didn't schedule the Destiny debate because I was celebrating my birthday all weekend. | ||
| I wasn't preparing for a debate. | ||
| So Thursday, August 18th, when we did the stream, it was me, Destiny, and Sneeko, Sneeko said, I'll do the 9-11 debate. | ||
| When? | ||
| Monday the 22nd. | ||
| And I said, and I will do the JFK debate. | ||
| When? | ||
| We said September 6th at 8pm. | ||
| And then when I showed up in Miami, and I showed up to his house, and we were doing an IRL stream, I said, hey, what's up? | ||
| He's like, let's debate 9-11. | ||
| I didn't back off every position. | ||
| I said, hey, I didn't really come here to debate that. | ||
| I said, I didn't prepare for that. | ||
| He just got done watching a six-hour 9-11 documentary and streamed about it for three days while I was celebrating my birthday. | ||
| I was on the beach all weekend. | ||
| Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. | ||
| I was in Miami for my birthday. | ||
| Sneako was supposed to debate Destiny on Monday the 22nd. | ||
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Not me. | |
| That's why I didn't prepare for it. | ||
| So when I showed up, I said, hey, what's going on? | ||
| He's like, let's debate about 9-11. | ||
| I didn't back off every position. | ||
| I said, hey, I didn't really come prepared for that. | ||
| That's not really what I'm here for. | ||
| That's got nothing to do with the JFK debate. | ||
| That's just a lie about how it was. | ||
| I feel like, fuck, what the fuck is the point of researching for another big conspiracy? | ||
| But the second thing was that... Oh, so I research for one debate, what's the point of researching for another debate? | ||
| I don't know, because you committed to both of them? | ||
| If I'm going to engage with other communities, especially ones that are so ideologically different than mine, there has to be some type of... See, even his audience says, right here, the debate was supposed to be with Sneeko. | ||
| of ground rules for engagement. | ||
| And one of those rules is we have to have a mutual understanding that we're not going to be trying to fucking nuke each other's platforms from orbit. | ||
| If I'm engaging with people and they're trying to destroy my fellow friends on YouTube, I'm already taking a big risk by engaging in that community. | ||
| Why would I continue to do that? | ||
| I don't— Here's another one. | ||
| Destiny, you literally agreed to do that debate with Sneako. | ||
| Like, it's— I don't— I don't feel that— I don't think I need to explain any more than that. | ||
| I think you're the one that has to jump through crazy hoops if you're trying to, like, find a conspiracy there or if you're trying to— That was your fault! | ||
| 9-11 was for Sneeko! | ||
| JFK was for Nick, Destiny. | ||
| Make it into a bigger thing. | ||
| I think even most of Nick's community probably sees this, because when people were hopping onto that call, every single person was against big tech there, right? | ||
| Like literally nobody is going to want to engage with your community if, forget all the conservative issues, if they see you as like a mass reporter, like mass brigading community as well, you know? | ||
| So he says, so the first reason is just total bullshit. | ||
| That's why I said he's lying. | ||
| Because the first reason is BS. | ||
| On August 18th... | ||
| Actually, it was probably in the morning. | ||
| So it was probably the morning of Friday, August 19th. | ||
| It was probably, I think, 11 or midnight on Thursday the 18th, or it was 1 or 2 Friday the 19th. | ||
| And we said, SNECO on Monday the 22nd, and me for the JFK debate on Tuesday the 6th at 8pm Central. | ||
| That was the thing. | ||
| So now he's saying, well the reason I backed out of the debate is because Well, I debated Nick on 9-11, and I did all that research, and he just backed out on everything. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I showed up and said, nope, you got it confused. | ||
| I'm not here. | ||
| You were supposed to debate SNCC on that. | ||
| I'm here to hang out. | ||
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So that's a lie. | |
| And then the second thing he says, well, there's rules of engagement. | ||
| Mr. Grohl is reported by Big Tech. | ||
| Which again, I'm saying that's the excuse. | ||
| You could say that. | ||
| I think that's just a paltry excuse, and I'll get into why. | ||
| But let's finish watching this part. | ||
| People are saying, there's a lot of cope in chat where it's like, oh no, the 9-11 debate was with Sneeko, that wasn't Nick at all, oh no, that's totally blah blah blah. | ||
| Nick has had conspiratorial beliefs about 9-11 for a long fucking time. | ||
| If you believe differently, it bothers me because the same fucking retards in chat that are saying, oh no, that wasn't about Nick, blah blah blah, are the same ones that are screaming, oh, call him a Nazi, blah blah blah blah blah. | ||
| You are high on fucking crack cocaine. | ||
| What does one have to do with the other? | ||
| You said the reason you pulled out of the debate is because Well, I already debated Nick on 9-11, and he dropped out. | ||
| And people said, no, actually, you were supposed to debate Sneeko on 9-11. | ||
| You didn't debate Nick on 9-11. | ||
| So, that's just not true. | ||
| And he goes, oh, well, well, Nick doesn't believe in 9-11. | ||
| So, you didn't debate me, you backed out of your debate because I believe that 9-11 was a conspiracy? | ||
| How does that make any sense? | ||
| If you think that Nick doesn't believe that 9-11 was a fixed thing, you're absolutely fucking out of your mind if you think that it wasn't. | ||
| So whether Nick was the one that explicitly agreed to it, one, he was egging it on. | ||
| He was the one that was suggesting it, saying, like, making that debate happen, moving that direction. | ||
| See, once again, the weasel words, well, even if he didn't explicitly agree to it, you mean, in other words, even if Nick wasn't the one who was supposed to debate? | ||
| That'd be like saying, uh, hey, uh, Dalton, I'm gonna fight you on Monday. | ||
| And then I go to Tyler and say, hey, what's up, bitch? | ||
| You ready to fight me? | ||
| And Tyler's like, what? | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| Boom, boom, boom! | ||
| Hey, yeah, our fight is next week. | ||
| Well, even if he didn't explicitly agree to it... I didn't agree to it at all! | ||
| I didn't prepare for it. | ||
| I didn't know we were on for Monday. | ||
| Me and Destiny were supposed to stream on Saturday, not Monday. | ||
| But the schedule didn't work out and we wound up pushing it to Sunday and then to Monday. | ||
| So that's just an outright... This is what I'm talking about. | ||
| It's kind of Weasley. | ||
| Well, even if Mitt didn't agree to the debate, he believes 9-11 was a conspiracy, and anyway he was egging it on, so... So that's why I backed out of my other debate. | ||
| You know that he believes in 9-11 conspiracy theories. | ||
| One billion trillion percent you know that he does. | ||
| So if you want to cope, cope harder. | ||
| Don't do it in my chat. | ||
| Someone's coping here. | ||
| Cool off any favorable sentiment towards me on the internet or with Sneeko. | ||
| So he made up this story. | ||
| And it's perfectly convenient. | ||
| Because Sneeko's talking about getting on cozy. | ||
| Sneeko just got banned. | ||
| And he's getting some heat. | ||
| And Destiny's getting some heat. | ||
| And so what better way to cool everything, cool off all these relationships by saying, Nick got my friend banned and you're not principal. | ||
| There's so much, like, conspiratorial stuff. | ||
| Like, it's so... | ||
| It's so easy to just take what I'm saying at face value because it's totally explanatory for everything. | ||
| I can handle heat for dealing with conservatives. | ||
| I just did it with Lauren Southern for, like, fucking six months. | ||
| And I've done it talking to you before in the past as well. | ||
| Like, why would I agree to do an IRL stream with you and then cool the relationship because I'm getting heat? | ||
| Like, heat from who? | ||
| From communities that I don't fucking care about? | ||
| Like, people that I don't give a fuck? | ||
| Like, am I worried about the Twitch lefty community? | ||
| Am I worried about L3L? | ||
| Because Destiny has said at various times, he said on the Paul Eskindon stream, here's his conception of our relationship. | ||
| He says that, he goes, well I'm talking to Nick because I get good viewership. | ||
| When I talk to Nick, my stream is bigger than ever. | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| He said I'm talking to Nick because I benefit. | ||
| I talk to Nick because my numbers have never been higher. | ||
| And I'm appealing to a new audience. | ||
| He goes, and I also understand that Nick is benefiting. | ||
| And Nick is getting exposure to my audience. | ||
| So, in other words, his reason for engaging, he says himself, is to grow his audience and grow his numbers. | ||
| And he also says that doing that necessarily entails growing my numbers as well. | ||
| But he has also said to me that he wants my movement to fail. | ||
| He's also said, before he went on the Sneeko panel, that he would not allow me to preach my message in front of so many people. | ||
| Which we'll get into. | ||
| We've got the clips. | ||
| So you can't go in there and say, oh well, what do you mean? | ||
| Why would I want to ice this out? | ||
| It's because why are you doing this? | ||
| To benefit yourself. | ||
| And you don't want to benefit me disproportionately. | ||
| You've said that. | ||
| You don't want to help me. | ||
| In fact, you want my movement to fail. | ||
| So might it be the case that if maybe the equation were not favorable, That you would want to throw some ice on that and say, well hang on a minute, let's slow down. | ||
| Because your reason for backing out of the debate just doesn't even make any sense. | ||
| I already debated Nick on 9-11. | ||
| No you didn't. | ||
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No you didn't. | |
| And he didn't announce you or, you know, if I never brought it up, he wouldn't have even said anything. | ||
| On Discord, I messaged him. | ||
| I said on the 4th. | ||
| I said, are we still on for our JFK debate on Tuesday? | ||
| No response. | ||
| I said on the 4th again at 5 o'clock. | ||
| Also, are we on for the JFK debate? | ||
| We scheduled it for Tuesday at 8pm. | ||
| No response. | ||
| Then, he brings on Big Tech, Beardson, and Britney to talk about the accusations that the Groipers flagged on Mr. Girl without inviting me on. | ||
| And while this is going on, I said, hey, I didn't report Mr. Girl. | ||
| I want him to keep making YouTube videos. | ||
| He sent me the clip of Big Tech. | ||
| I said, you're blaming me for something someone else said? | ||
| He said, it's your community. | ||
| I said, I said on my show that I want him to be on YouTube. | ||
| Here's the clip. | ||
| Then he brings on Britney and Beardson and Big Tech while I'm texting him to talk about it while he's blaming me for it. | ||
| So let me get this straight. | ||
| I'm at fault for what Big Tech said. | ||
| That's just a given. | ||
| And in spite of the fact that it's my fault and you're talking to me about it, you're gonna bring on other people to talk about it. | ||
| It's my fault. | ||
| I'm the representative. | ||
| I'm responsible, but you're gonna bring them on. | ||
| So if what Big Tech said is my fault, you bring Big Tech on, but not me. | ||
| You bring Beardson and Brittany on, but not me, while you're talking to me. | ||
| It's not like I'm not available. | ||
| It's not like I'm watching the stream. | ||
| I'm talking to you during it. | ||
| You're talking to me while you're streaming, talking to them. | ||
| So I say, I said, uh, are you gonna let me talk or are you gonna let other people who aren't even Groipers speak for me? | ||
| He goes, message Britney if you want on. | ||
| Message Britney if you want on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So Big Tech reports Mr. Girl. | ||
| Mr. Girl doesn't even know about that and blames it on me. | ||
| What's his evidence? | ||
| I told people to ratio the tweet where he blamed it on me. | ||
| His evidence that I got his YouTube taken down is that I told people to ratio his tweet where he blamed me for taking his YouTube channel down. | ||
| Destiny uses that as an excuse to say that he's dropping out of the JFK debate after he dropped out of the JFK debate and ignored me. | ||
| I text him over and over, when's the JFK? | ||
| He doesn't answer me. | ||
| The day before, he goes out and says, well, I can't engage with Nick anymore because of the Mr. Girl thing. | ||
| It's his fault. | ||
| It's his community. | ||
| Hey, Destiny, can I come out and defend myself? | ||
| Well, he's already got Beardson and Big Tech and Britney on there. | ||
| Hey, can I come out and defend myself? | ||
| Well, text Britney if you want on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I join the call, and I say, yeah, I don't agree with that. | ||
| Beardson doesn't agree with that. | ||
| Britney doesn't agree with that. | ||
| And anyway, are we on for tomorrow? | ||
| Oh, I don't really know. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| He doesn't say no, he says maybe. | ||
| Then after the fact, after he backed out of the debate, after he ignored me, and after I called him on it, then he comes out and says, well, the reason is because we did the 9-11 debate, which we didn't, which is based on a lie, and people call him out. | ||
| He says, well, you know, he didn't explicitly agree to it, but you know, He doesn't think 9-11 happened, so might as well have been. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| And then he goes on and says, uh, well, actually it's because of the, uh, the big tech thing. | ||
| And then he goes on to talk about, you know, being honest. | ||
| That's really good. | ||
| L3 or Lasan saying, like, who do you think I'm trying to cool shit off for? | ||
| I'm doing an IRL stream with you getting 14,000 viewers. | ||
| Do you think some negative sentiment from some terminally online mentally disabled dipshits with guardians are really gonna scare me off of that? | ||
| Like, Come on, that's not an honest engagement. | ||
| You could just take what I'm saying at face value. | ||
| Take what I'm saying at face value. | ||
| I should afford you that. | ||
| I should take what you're saying at face value. | ||
| Let's bank that for a second. | ||
| Why don't you just take what I said at face value? | ||
| Okay, let's save that one. | ||
| It's irritating because If you can say anything about me, I think I'm honest at least. | ||
| Unless I'm lying to myself. | ||
| I'm pretty honest with my beliefs. | ||
| You might think that I'm an asshole or that I'm wrong, but I'm not lying. | ||
| I'm pretty forthcoming with my thoughts about this. | ||
| It's like, I didn't get your friend banned. | ||
| Your friend got banned because he broke the rules. | ||
| And it so happened that some other person reported him. | ||
| Oh, this is he signaling a lot of there's another weird thing, too Is that like when I'm speaking I can just speak these are these are you're coming here and this is steve abanel's thoughts on shit And that's it But when he's speaking he has to speak as like the figurehead of his little political movement And so a lot of this is signaling to his audience. | ||
| Okay, so so You I'm an honest guy you need to take what I say at face value. | ||
| Oh, well what you're saying? | ||
| Oh, well, you're lying One second apart. | ||
| Destiny says you need to take what I'm saying at face value. | ||
| Oh, what you're saying? | ||
| Oh, well, you're just signaling. | ||
| You have to say that because you're... | ||
| Seriously? | ||
| Oh, but I... | ||
| Oh, well, he has to signal to his little political movement when he says that. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| I understand, but it's still kind of annoying. | ||
| Who's on my site? | ||
| You know who else is on my site? | ||
| You are. | ||
| Destiny is on my site. | ||
| This equivocation is so dumb. | ||
| You're on my site. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I'm not on your site. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Oh, it's not true? | ||
| Last I checked Oh gee there yeah, I think that is true Actually, it turns out that it is true. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| It's not equivocation. | ||
| It's not equivocation at all. | ||
| That's to say, there's 50 streamers on this site. | ||
| Am I responsible for what every single person... Is every cozy streamer a groiper? | ||
| Is every streamer on the site... I'm responsible for what they say? | ||
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There's 50 people on this site. | |
| Jackson Hinkle, Infrared, Aiden Projects, No, I'm not on your site. | ||
| Yeah, you are. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| Like, the big tech guy is literally a part of the Groyper community. | ||
| To say that I'm on your site in a similar manner is not true. | ||
| That's, come on. | ||
| Like, we know what we're talking about here. | ||
| Flamenco's on. | ||
| There's a lot of people on my site. | ||
| It's a free speech. | ||
| I've never even streamed on Cozy before yet, right? | ||
| There are people on my site. | ||
| One has nothing to do with the other. | ||
| Either I'm responsible for what everyone on the site says or I'm responsible for what I say. | ||
| I'm not here to say that I'm a fat or a shill or a Jew or all kinds of crazy things. | ||
| So for him to that was like just the perfect Opportunity for him to blow that out of proportion and say oh Nick got my friend banned He's not so free speech after all sneak. | ||
| Oh you got it. | ||
| So I think that was just I Think that was just a tactic And also, yeah, we had this JFK debate scheduled on Tuesday, and he just silently bowed out of it. | ||
| I texted him about it like five times. | ||
| He just ignored me. | ||
| And then I asked him about it on the stream, and he said, oh, I don't know. | ||
| I'll let you know. | ||
| It's like it's tomorrow, dude. | ||
| You're just backing out. | ||
| We scheduled it, and he was so eager. | ||
| Do you remember? | ||
| We were on the stream with Sneako. | ||
| He's like, okay, I'll debate JFK. | ||
| When do you want to debate it? | ||
| When do you want to schedule it? | ||
| I scheduled two things. | ||
| I scheduled the 9-11 debate and I scheduled the JFK debate. | ||
| I did all the research for the 9-11 debate and I did the 9-11 debate. | ||
| I was gonna do the one for JFK. | ||
| No, you didn't. | ||
| You didn't debate Sneko on that. | ||
| You backed out of it. | ||
| No, I didn't, because I scheduled two things. | ||
| Yeah, and you backed out of one of them. | ||
| As part of my new fucking person, humanity, and all that shit that I discovered through my journeys of self-discovery over the past month and a half, I'm trying to make new friends, I'm trying to branch out to people, I'm trying to talk to people more. | ||
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I've added people to, like, an actual friend group that I have. | |
| Right? | ||
| I've talked to Pisco, I've talked to Mr. Girl, I've talked to Erudite, I'm actually building out, like, friends and stuff. | ||
| Max is somebody that I would consider a pretty close friend now. | ||
| The idea that I could watch his YouTube channel, that he cares a lot about, get nuked from orbit by a group of people that are probably kind of upset because I'm arguing against Nick about them... Oh, that's... That's got nothing to do with it, though. | ||
| First of all, he got... his appeal got rejected. | ||
| That wasn't our fault. | ||
| If he was gonna get banned, he was gonna get banned. | ||
| And if you saw the big tech thing, big tech didn't tell people to report Mr. Girl because destiny debates me. | ||
| If you saw a big tech reporter, Mr. Girl, because Mr. Girl was saying that we're all Nazis and we're all going to try and kill everybody. | ||
| And again, not defending it, but that's not what he said. | ||
| Continue to engage. | ||
| I personally wouldn't care, but I think most humans would probably get really fucking bothered by that. | ||
| So that's something that I have to kind of consider. | ||
| And I think that's fair. | ||
| To be clear, Max has never said, like, don't stream with them or anything like that. | ||
| I don't think he would ever even make that demand. | ||
| But, like, it just seems like a really shitty thing to do. | ||
| Like, oh yeah, like, my new friends kind of, like, nuked your YouTube channel. | ||
| Like, get fucked. | ||
| Like, I'm gonna go stream. | ||
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Like, that's just, there's like... But that's just it. | |
| Your new friends. | ||
| What has big tech got to do with it? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Mr. Girl is not Destiny. | ||
| Big Tech is not Nick Fuentes. | ||
| So, you know, I fail to see how Mr. Girl attacking me and saying he's a Nazi, he's gonna kill people, and then other people in the right-wing community going out and saying, okay, we're gonna report you. | ||
| What does that have to do with me and you? | ||
| My new friends? | ||
| What? | ||
| I didn't go out there and say that. | ||
| Nobody who's been involved in Kai didn't go out there and say that. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| That just seems like a very disloyal, not cool thing to do. | ||
| And by the way, we then went out there and said we disavowed that, so... Well, we scheduled it, and then when the day came around, he was like, uh, uh, uh, never mind. | ||
| Well, because your friend reported someone! | ||
| Really? | ||
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So... I thought that was just... I thought that was dishonest. | |
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Justin sent $3. | ||
| Destiny sent $3. | ||
| Johnny Bravo sent $3. | ||
| Do you believe that Destiny is genuinely weaponizing the band of Mr. Girl to burn your bridge with people like Sneeko? | ||
| If so, do you think it'll work? | ||
| I think he's trying. | ||
| But, uh, I guess we'll see. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| I... I... I... I wish that, like... | ||
| Give me, like, three days. | ||
| Can I have three days to be the person that people say that I am? | ||
| Like, if you wanna see blacklisted, like, I could show you blacklisted. | ||
| Like, I could start polling. | ||
| Like, I think me and Sneaker are decently friendly now. | ||
| Like, we asked to go out to dinner yesterday, he canceled his birthday plans, me and Melina did it. | ||
| Like, I'm pretty sure I could explicitly say to him, like, hey dude, I like hanging out with you, but, like, two things. | ||
| One, I think hanging out with Nick is a really bad idea, and two, I'm not gonna be on stream with you anymore if you do. | ||
| Like, you can do your thing, but I'm just letting you know. | ||
| Like, I could start pulling moves like that to get you uber blacklisted from everything, right? | ||
| And I could tell that to every single person that I associate with, and they're always going to choose me over you just because I'm not deep platform. | ||
| I've got a bigger audience. | ||
| Like, if you really want to see what being blacklisted by Desi feels like, I could start doing it. | ||
| I don't think I've ever done that to anybody in my life. | ||
| I think I've done that to one person. | ||
| Who was it? | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Was it Haas or was it Hinkle? | ||
| There was some, there was some, if you go like really awkward, like, oh, I'll do it to the Alex Stein guy. | ||
| I won't be on anything with Alex Stein. | ||
| Oh, but I'll let them be on things with other people. | ||
| I usually just don't, oh, maybe the, even Anna, I was on panels with Anna. | ||
| Isn't that just like a threat? | ||
| I'm sitting here saying, yeah, I think that, you know, it's an excuse, basically. | ||
| He's excusing himself to try to slow this down, and he goes, well, I could, I could blacklist you. | ||
| Not even. | ||
| Even her I didn't like go like crazy blacklisting or whatever for anything. | ||
| And anyway, we'll just cut to the chase. | ||
| This is the part I want to show here. | ||
| This is from the Sneeko panel. | ||
| So, you know, I said earlier, remember that he said just take what I said for face value? | ||
| This is when I was on a panel with Jadeon, Don, Abba, Sneeko, And Destiny joined in, in the middle of it, to say, I gotta stop this guy from saying what he believes. | ||
| This is from just a month ago. | ||
| It's cause you called me racist! | ||
| You're fucking racist! | ||
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I love black people! | |
| I love you as a black man! | ||
| I love black people! | ||
| I love you as a black man! | ||
| I swear to God, it would make my fucking fear. | ||
| Okay, just before we jump into this, okay? | ||
| Be clear about who you're talking to, what the goal of the conversation is, okay? | ||
| Nick has a political movement, a political ideology. | ||
| His goal is not to sell you truth or to sell you a critical thought process. | ||
| Okay, that was for... that was for openers. | ||
| Can't you just take what I say at face value? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| I'm exactly who I say I am. | ||
| Can't you just take it at face value when I say that? | ||
| This is what he opened with. | ||
| This is what he opened with. | ||
| When I was on a stream with Sneeko, Abba, and Jadeon, This was the opener. | ||
| Keep in mind who you're talking to. | ||
| A liar. | ||
| His goal is not to tell the truth. | ||
| His goal is to sell you his political ideology. | ||
| So if he comes across some idea that's contrary to what he believes, or some thought or fact that is contrary to his beliefs, he's not going to tell you that. | ||
| And he's not going to incorporate it into his world. | ||
| He's only going to give you the pieces of information that he uses to sell his ideology. | ||
| Okay, that was for openers. | ||
| That was for openers as you're not a trustworthy person, you lie, your job is not to tell the truth. | ||
| You're wrong about if I thought that race and IQ was a wrong argument, I wouldn't push it. | ||
| I wish it was wrong. | ||
| I've had my entire life destroyed because I say these things. | ||
| You think I'm saying these things because it's like doing me a big favor? | ||
| I'm banned from airlines and banks, I'm under investigation by the FBI, subpoenaed by Congress, in part because I say these kinds of things. | ||
| So no, I go where the truth leads me. | ||
| If I was to have a conversation with Nick about the value of like, what do you think about like the soft sciences? | ||
| What do you think about like psychologists and political scientists, Nick, in general? | ||
| Me? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there's some validity to that, but I don't put a lot of stock in empiricism, to be honest. | ||
| Sure, so he doesn't put a lot of stock in those things, okay? | ||
| The bell curve was written by a psychologist and a political scientist. | ||
| These aren't genetics researchers. | ||
| These aren't intelligence researchers. | ||
| These aren't people that did huge dialogues. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| You get this guy, really? | ||
| Not true. | ||
| It absolutely is true. | ||
| Charles Murray is a- Not true. | ||
| Who can't follow, yeah, this guy making his face, can't even follow a clear line of thought here. | ||
| What do you think about the soft sciences? | ||
| I think they're valid, but I don't put a ton of stock in them. | ||
| Well, one book was written by a psychologist. | ||
| Political scientist. | ||
| I'm not just talking about Charles Murray. | ||
| That's fine, but I'm just saying that the book The Bell Curve, if that book was about any other topic, you would dismiss it so quickly because of the scientific disciplines that those authors come from, you wouldn't even consider it for a second. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| It absolutely could be. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because it just opened into my documents. | ||
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I said I opened into my documents. | |
| I said it opened into my documents. | ||
| You can't believe that everything is true. | ||
| The point being is that you're descended from people that come from Africa. | ||
| And you could say, well, what does white mean? | ||
| Well, white means descended from people that come from Europe. | ||
| And you're right. | ||
| It's not... Where do the Europeans come from? | ||
| I mean, technically, aren't we all descended from Africa? | ||
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If you want to get technical about it. | |
| The ADL. | ||
| And not only is that an interruption, but that's just totally meant to derail. | ||
| What is black? | ||
| What is white? | ||
| Well, they're people who come from different continents. | ||
| Well, didn't we all come from Africa? | ||
| Well, it's a group founded in defense of a Jewish guy 100 years ago. | ||
| Who raped some girl. | ||
| The ADL can go in and- To be clear, he didn't. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
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That's fake news. | |
| Oh, okay, sure. | ||
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The ADL can go in and they can flag- Was that really all you said? | |
| I feel like I remember there being a leaked phone call and some other stuff that came out, too, that got you kicked out of school, too, no? | ||
| Was that- Yeah, yeah, that is something that happened. | ||
| Something about, like, if a white girl dates a black person, it's the same as, like, fucking a dog, something like that, maybe? | ||
| Now, look at the reaction to that. | ||
| Would you say that me having sex with my dog is the same thing as me having sex with a black man? | ||
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No. | |
| What's the point of saying that? | ||
| What's the point? | ||
| It's to elicit that reaction. | ||
| I remember you fucking go! | ||
| Of course! | ||
| No, no. | ||
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Would you say that me having sex with my dog is the same thing as me having sex with a black man? | |
| No. | ||
| But they're both, they would both be degenerate. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, wait, wait, hold on. | ||
| And I'm trying to remember, because I legit don't remember. | ||
| We can bring up the recording. | ||
| Did you say, no, it's not the same, it's worse? | ||
| No, no, I did not say that. | ||
| Somebody link me that online. | ||
| Let me link the call. | ||
| I want to hear it. | ||
| I need to hear it. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I got to hear it. | ||
| You're completely misrepresenting it. | ||
| So, and here's the best part is, you know, does he say, oh, you didn't say that? | ||
| OK. | ||
| He goes, I got to see it. | ||
| Somebody link it up, like trying to catch me in a lie, when he's misinterpreting it. | ||
| Because I kept saying, hey, why did we send all this foreign aid to Israel? | ||
| Why did Israel blow up the USS Liberty? | ||
| Why have the Jews been expelled from 109 countries? | ||
| Like, you know, jokingly, what's going on with that? | ||
| Jokingly, or? | ||
| Well, jokingly, but also an inquiry. | ||
| And they said, well, you know, you can't work for us because those are hateful questions. | ||
| Those are hateful questions. | ||
| You can't talk about that. | ||
| We're never going to hire you. | ||
| So there was this girl, Cassie Dillon, who had it out for me. | ||
| Because I went against the Jews, okay? | ||
| So then I go to this job training... When he says that, what he means is because he was anti-Semitic. | ||
| There's a lot of coded language in here, but okay. | ||
| Okay, a lot of coded... Because he was anti-Semitic, a lot of coded language. | ||
| So then it's like we stayed overnight. | ||
| It's our last night there. | ||
| Long story. | ||
| Anyway, to make the long story short, we're all just talking, and I'm playing devil's advocate, we're talking about things, and I said, you know, you can laugh, but this is bullshit that this happens. | ||
| And there's this girl in there, who's a total whore, by the way, and she's friends with... Totally unnecessary, but okay. | ||
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Well, she was. | |
| She has the name of a whore. | ||
| And I think I'm among friends, but then I get a little girl filming me covertly. | ||
| Yeah, it's that. | ||
| It's that derisive. | ||
| Yeah, that's the face of good faith, by the way. | ||
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That's a faith of just, just, can't we just, can't we just engage in good faith? | |
| I mean, I'm just a pretty honest guy and everything. | ||
| Yeah, that's the face of good faith, by the way. | ||
| Saying, so you think, so what you're saying. | ||
| That's a face, that's a face you make when you're in a good faith, respectful conversation, you know. | ||
| Saying, so you think, so what you're saying is this? | ||
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No. | |
| Okay, first of all, I don't have to print him as a white supremacist. | ||
| He already says he's a white supremacist. | ||
| I've never, which by the way, I've never said that. | ||
| For one. | ||
| I don't say that. | ||
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Number two, the phone call did happen and he didn't admit until I brought up, which was true. | |
| Didn't admit until I brought up. - At number three, I wasn't... | ||
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When I was a term, when he said he was right, you had the first decision. - Yeah, right, yeah. | |
| I feel like I remember there being a leaked phone call and some other stuff that came out too that got you kicked out of school too, no? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that is something that happened. | ||
| See, so he said that I pretended it didn't happen. | ||
| Yeah, right, yeah. | ||
| I feel like I remember being covertly saying, so you think, so... First of all, I don't have to print him as a white supremacist. | ||
| He already says he's a white supremacist. | ||
| Number one, okay? | ||
| Number two, the phone call did happen. | ||
| He didn't admit until I brought up, which was true. | ||
| Didn't admit until I brought up. | ||
| Which is why I keep asking, what did you say? | ||
| Did you say that? | ||
| And he did mention that they were both degenerate. | ||
| So, I was correct on every point. | ||
| That's different! | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Go post shit. | ||
| The only reason we're even talking about the phone call right now is because I brought it up because you tried to obfuscate by not bringing up that phone call, which was, I think, a big part of why people got really mad at you in 2017. | ||
| Listen, you could play everything back, but this is what they do. | ||
| Okay, so that's that's the first one. | ||
| We don't have to go. | ||
| This one's seven minutes. | ||
| We don't have to go through. | ||
| Say them in front of an official audience publicly. | ||
| No, hold on. | ||
| You don't get to hang your hat. | ||
| But this is what happens. | ||
| Hang on, hang on. | ||
| But this is the problem. | ||
| And so things like that are going to be blown up, misconstrued. | ||
| Like you just said, didn't you say it's this? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, no. | ||
| You're trying to throw your job to misrepresent, misconstrue, and bury anybody with a different opinion. | ||
| You're not being misrepresented or misconstrued, though, Nick. | ||
| Because you keep obfuscating. | ||
| You're lying so much. | ||
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You did misrepresent the phone call as soon as you brought it up, Destiny. | |
| I was the only one that brought up the phone call. | ||
| He denied the phone call even existed. | ||
| I was asking what he said on it. | ||
| You're calling him a racist every day. | ||
| Keep in mind that when he says he's for the other races, he means he's for them going back to their countries and living there in harmony, okay? | ||
| That's what he means when he says that. | ||
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You've been right in front of him, Sneaker. | |
| I want to hear what your opinion is. | ||
| The world is a complex place, and so really all countries are in some sense They have different ethnicities. | ||
| The least diverse are the least violent, and the most diverse are the most violent, and the most civil disorder. | ||
| But look at us! | ||
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Look at us! | |
| Look at us! | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Just one quick question. | ||
| Now, because earlier you were saying... Well, you just finished. | ||
| I didn't interrupt you, pal. | ||
| Okay, he's just going to ramble for 20 minutes. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| I'm not going to ramble. | ||
| I'm going to live with that. | ||
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Okay, Destiny, go ahead. | |
| I counted. | ||
| It's just 30 seconds. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Okay, so I just want to be clear. | ||
| Like, notice how slipper he is between how he defines positions. | ||
| Earlier, we were talking about how, like... But it is to say, is it a good idea to import 30 million immigrants in 30 years? | ||
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No. | |
| Probably not. | ||
| So, two points on that. | ||
| So, number one, this is just a quick question. | ||
| Do you know what race Neeko is? | ||
| I do, actually. | ||
| Yeah, he's Haitian, Asian, and white. | ||
| And would you have known that just looking at him without knowing his background? | ||
| Would I know that he's mixed race? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Would you know what his races are? | ||
| Because you said you could tell everybody's race on the panel. | ||
| Like I said, I could tell he's a mix between black and white, which he is. | ||
| Would I guess he's Asian? | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| So you can't tell the race of people immediately in this very diverse sense you talk about, when Africa's the most diverse place in the world. | ||
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I just did! | |
| So number one... He's mixed race! | ||
| That's not an answer. | ||
| Mixed race is not an answer. | ||
| It's number one. | ||
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Yes it is! | |
| It's a mix between black and white! | ||
| You said something earlier that was really important. | ||
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That's an answer! | |
| You said that's not an answer. | ||
| So something you said earlier... Keep moving on, keep moving on. | ||
| Something that you said... Yeah, so it's not an answer because you said... Okay, so I mean we don't need to watch the whole thing, but the point is... And so, so that's, this has gone on for like, geez, this has gone on for like two hours. | ||
| I didn't know it was going to be that long. | ||
| So, the point is, I'm not going to be gaslit and told You know, I'm just this like Good, you don't believe you don't take what I say at face value. | ||
| It's like why I don't I here's the thing I think the destiny says what he believes I think he believes what he says and I think that he's not afraid of alienating his audience But yeah, I think that he dodged this debate 100% I think he dodged it. | ||
| I think he blew this big tech thing out of proportion and that's evidenced by the fact that He He went out there and retweeted, uh, what's his name, uh, Mr. Girl first. | ||
| Then, instead of bringing me on to talk about it while I'm texting him, he brings on everybody else. | ||
| It's my fault, but bring on everybody else. | ||
| Hey, are you gonna let me on? | ||
| Oh, I don't know, talk to someone else. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then he's gonna tell Sneaker, oh yeah, well, this took down Mr. Girl, and... | ||
| So I think that it was totally part of a chilling. | ||
| And when you look at this, it's apparent his goal is not to engage in good faith. | ||
| Maybe he means what he says about the Mr. Girl thing? | ||
| But the idea that we're just, um, you know, I'm coming at it with my heart on my sleeve. | ||
| And I really do think that Destiny is, uh, bad faith when he says, oh, it's such a big deal, Mr. Girl. | ||
| I get where he's coming from, but I don't think that's the whole reason. | ||
| And I do think he's concealing his real view about IQ or he's just afraid of where it goes. | ||
| That's how I feel about it. | ||
| I've come at it with good faith from the whole time. | ||
| He's come at it from this perspective of, well, I want to use you to help myself, and that may help you along the way, but not help you too much. | ||
| And that's evidenced by the fact that he jumps onto this debate to do nothing other than interrupt me, call me a liar, lie about me, misstate my views, make me look bad by saying, oh, he said this, everyone freaks out, and then I have to spend 10 minutes clarifying it. | ||
| And so suffice to say, is it unbelievable that he would maybe not burn the bridge, but ice it a little bit? | ||
| Come up with some kind of paltry excuse to put some ice on it because maybe he senses he doesn't like exactly the level of how much it's helping one or the other person? | ||
| Based on what we just saw, where he comes on and says, Nick's a liar. | ||
| He's a liar. | ||
| He's afraid of my arguments. | ||
| It's just constant attack the source, attack the source, attack the source. | ||
| Attack your honesty. | ||
| Attack your credibility. | ||
| Wait, Nick said that I'm an honest guy. | ||
| Just take what I say at face value. | ||
| So I want to let you be the judge. | ||
| This is the case. | ||
| This is the latest drama. | ||
| This is the case. | ||
| And I want to know what you think. | ||
| I want to know what your thoughts are. | ||
| Let me know in the Super Chats. | ||
| Send in a 1 if you think Destiny's telling the truth. | ||
| And he really is just very concerned about Mr. Girl being reported and he's concerned that he might get reported or that it's affecting his friends or something. | ||
| He's worried about the implications of that, even though we all disavowed it. | ||
| Press 1 if he's telling the truth. | ||
| He backed out of the JFK debate because he just doesn't know. | ||
| And he really doesn't know anything about IQ and how much is genetic or it's too complicated. | ||
| And press 2 if you think that There's a little bit of concealment going on. | ||
| Press 2 if you think that there's something else going on there. | ||
| There's other reasons. | ||
| Although we may be honest overall. | ||
| Let me know what you think. | ||
| It's too complicated. | ||
| Let's get a count here. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| It's looking like mostly 2's. | ||
| I presented the case! | ||
| I presented the case! | ||
| And you know, yeah, I am doing the show, so he doesn't have a defense attorney here. | ||
| But I presented the case from my perspective. | ||
| Admittedly, it's my perspective. | ||
| Well, let me know what you think. | ||
| I've seen a lot of twos. | ||
| And let me know what you think in the superchats as well. | ||
| And we'll get into those in a moment. | ||
| And here's what I'll say. | ||
| Here's what I'll say. | ||
| I don't think he's afraid of his audience, but I do think that he's an ideological actor. | ||
| And everything that he says about how I'm leading a political movement and I have this audience capture and so on, I think is true about him. | ||
| I think that his positions are derived from fundamentally irrational positions, which he doesn't really want to defend very strongly. | ||
| You know, like he'll say, for example, I think Big Tech is scary. | ||
| I think it's scary that Big Tech banned Andrew Tate. | ||
| But that's all he'll say. | ||
| I think that's scary. | ||
| Well, okay, don't you want to see where that goes? | ||
| Don't you want to follow that trail? | ||
| Like, he said when Andrew Tate got banned from everything all at once, and when Trump got banned, he said it's scary that they have that much power. | ||
| Anyway, wouldn't you be interested in that? | ||
| Okay, can Chief Trumpster stop spamming the live chat? | ||
| Wouldn't you be interested in that? | ||
| And when I got put on the no-fly list, he goes, well that's tricky. | ||
| It's like, well is it tricky? | ||
| Are you for it or against it? | ||
| And he says about conspiracies, well the FBI can conspire. | ||
| Okay, well aren't you interested if the FBI or the NSA or whomever? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| IQ, maybe it's genetic, maybe it's not. | ||
| Again, you know, what's the basis? | ||
| Did a girl play piano once? | ||
| So I think that he's got these very strong convictions that are fundamentally stacked on top of sand. | ||
| And he feigns disinterest, he feigns condescension when those things are challenged. | ||
| And attacks the source and lashes out and says, well you're lying, well you're dishonest, well you're a political actor. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| He can say all he wants, and I'm the leader of a movement, and so I represent people, and he just represents himself, but there's another factor that he's missing. | ||
| I also happen to be a guy that has paid a heavy price for my views. | ||
| Paid a real price. | ||
| And I would also say, before we even get into that, he's a leader of a movement too. | ||
| He can say all he wants. | ||
| Well, I speak for myself. | ||
| He leads a movement as well. | ||
| He donates to charities. | ||
| He's organized people walking and knocking on doors. | ||
| And he's organized things for politics and tried to run candidates. | ||
| Just because it didn't work very well doesn't mean he's not running a movement. | ||
| He calls it the Omni-Liberal Movement. | ||
| Of course he's running a movement. | ||
| Of course he is. | ||
| Do you think he could wake up and become a right-wing person any more than I could wake up and become a left-wing person? | ||
| The idea that I'm subject to forces that he isn't, that's just not true. | ||
| That's for openers. | ||
| But the other thing is, you know, the idea that I have never engaged with liberalism is just not true on its face. | ||
| It would be easier for me to be a liberal. | ||
| It would be easier for me. | ||
| If I engage with liberalism, my life would get better. | ||
| When he says, well, Nick can't change his views, he leads a movement. | ||
| Perhaps, be that as it may, if I changed my views my life would get easier, not harder. | ||
| My life would inarguably get better. | ||
| Inarguably. | ||
| When you look at everything, like I'm banned from... Do you think I would remain banned from all these things if I just woke up and became a liberal? | ||
| I was driving past my high school the other day and thinking about how sad it is that I can't go back and visit my old teachers because I'm a pariah. | ||
| And same thing with my friends. | ||
| And I paid a real cost. | ||
| You know, yeah, he's an Internet guy. | ||
| Internet people get attacked. | ||
| But I'm on another level at the federal level in terms of money, in terms of society and social life. | ||
| Whereas he, if he embraced these views, he's embracing something that's completely against the mainstream and something that would make his life way worse. | ||
| If he woke up and embraced race and IQ, he would get banned, he would get decimated. | ||
| And there are also views that are not popular. | ||
| So, I think to say, you know... | ||
| I don't know if that makes him a liar. | ||
| I don't know if that means that he's lying about what he believes. | ||
| But it's about a willingness. | ||
| You know, some people are willing... willingly ignorant. | ||
| Some people are willingly... | ||
| You know, sort of enmeshed in a certain kind of view, and I think that's what it is. | ||
| And I also think that as an activist, he is playing a game here. | ||
| To say that, you know, when some people ask him, we're measuring who's benefiting more from the conversations, and it's very fierce and it's somewhat competitive, but when I call him out and say, yeah, he backed out of this debate, because he did, and I think he's just making up excuses, he goes, Come on. | ||
| Let me be me. | ||
| Take what I say at Faith Valley. | ||
| You can't have it both ways. | ||
| You can't come into the debate and say, you're a liar, you lead a movement, so all you tell is lies, and I'm gonna stop you from saying your message, and we're in a war to see who can steal more fans, and my views are better than ever. | ||
| And then, when you back out of a debate, and you spread something which is really not really fair about me, and I call you out and say, yeah, that's not really true, and you come to say, Me? | ||
| Take what I say at face value. | ||
| So the thing is, so here's the thing. | ||
| So I like Steven. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I like him. | ||
| And I think he is honest. | ||
| But I'm not going to let him spew his bullshit. | ||
| I'm not going to let him, you know, if he wants to back out of the debate, fine. | ||
| But you backed out of the debate. | ||
| You're a debate bro, you know, you're gonna come in and rain on my parade when I'm in a stream to answer every view that I have and then you pull out of the debate and you come up with this lame excuse about, oh well, I already did a debate so, and oh well, Mr. Girl's channel got banned or something. | ||
| Wasn't he just saying a few months ago that people get banned because they break the rules? | ||
| Seems to be what happened in that case. | ||
| Um... | ||
| So yeah, I think that's... I just don't buy it. | ||
| I don't think that that makes him a fundamentally dishonest person. | ||
| But I think that he is somebody who has his convictions, and then when he gets in these situations, I think almost unconsciously, he throws up the... he deploys these tactics. | ||
| The derisive laughter, the interruptions, the pretend not to know what you're talking about, and misinterpret. | ||
| He says he's a white supremacist. | ||
| No, I never said that. | ||
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So... | |
| You know. | ||
| So that's what I think. | ||
| I like him. | ||
| I hope we can continue to collaborate, but... And here's the thing. | ||
| And like I said, I didn't support Big Tech flagging his channel. | ||
| I agree that that constitutes some level of disrespect, but I think that that was utilized. | ||
| I think that was blown out of proportion and utilized. | ||
| I don't think that has any bearing on anything other than what it was. | ||
| You know, I said I wanted Mr. Girl on YouTube. | ||
| I denied the day of. | ||
| I said, we didn't report you to YouTube. | ||
| I said, in fact, we want you on YouTube. | ||
| And Destiny goes in and says, oh, well, he's in your community, mate. | ||
| And doesn't even let me on to respond. | ||
| I said, hey, let me on, let me on. | ||
| He ignores me. | ||
| He brings on everybody else. | ||
| I said, oh, will you let me on now? | ||
| We'll get Brittany to call you in. | ||
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Okay? | |
| So I don't know. | ||
| I think that that... I don't know if I buy it. | ||
| I don't know if I buy that one. | ||
| So let's just... Let's just agree to be honest, okay? | ||
| If you're good faith, I'll be good faith. | ||
| And I said I don't support... I don't want people to flag down Destiny and his friends. | ||
| But you can't hold me accountable for everything that everyone on my site says. | ||
| It's just not even right. | ||
| Especially when I explicitly disagreed with it. | ||
| Before, during, and after. | ||
| You can't say, oh, well, I don't know. | ||
| Now I'm worried about getting flagged. | ||
| Dude, I went on your stream and told you to your face. | ||
| I admonished him in front of you and your stream that we don't agree with that. | ||
| So, anyway, but it's good to see. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if you guys agree or not. | ||
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With my assessment of it. | |
| See somebody in my chat saying report and I just banned them, okay? | ||
| But um But yeah, so I don't know I don't I guess we didn't need to get too much into this it's a little bit gossipy but um But there's nothing else going on in the news, so... So I wanted to jump in there and say my piece, make my voice heard on that. | ||
| Yeah, I think that, you know, I've been nice to Destiny, but I've let him get away with a lot. | ||
| Now I'm just gonna call him on it, you know? | ||
| I've been trying to be, in the spirit of being friendly, I've kind of taken a lot on the chin, but I'm not gonna let him sit there and say the Groipers are going out there and doing that. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| And he backed out of the debate. | ||
| Sorry, but you can't be the vanguard inquisitor of Joe Biden liberalism and answer every time I go on a sneko stream, he's gonna be there to interrupt me. | ||
| Every time I go on with Jitian, he's gonna be on there to interrupt me. | ||
| When we schedule a debate one-on-one with JFK, oh, he just disappears and pretends it never happens. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| I'm calling him on it. | ||
| You backed out of the debate. | ||
| And if you are not afraid of it, let's reschedule. | ||
| Reschedule, stream it on Cozy, not YouTube. | ||
| Stream it on Cozy, where no one can even strike you down if they wanted to. | ||
| I'm challenging you, reschedule the debate. | ||
| If you're not chicken, if you're not just evading, if you're in good faith, okay, then debate me on JFK. | ||
| Like you agreed to, like you eagerly, because I didn't even suggest a debate, he did. | ||
| He came up, when we were on that stream, he jumps in there, To say, uh, oh, you know, oh, yeah, let's debate. | ||
| When do you want to debate it? | ||
| He put it on the calendar. | ||
| I said, okay, I don't really want to do that, but I'll do it. | ||
| And then he's gonna back out and say it's my fault. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So, uh, that's lame. | ||
| You can't go around, you know, you're gonna rain on my parade every time I go and talk about this stuff, then we do a one-on-one debate and, you know, you come up with this bullshit excuse Sorry, I mean listen, I'm your friend. | ||
| I'm not gonna let you get away with that. | ||
| I know we're friendly, I know we're best buddies, and I think you're an honest guy, but sorry, I'm not gonna let you get away with that. | ||
| Nice try. | ||
| Same thing with the IQ thing. | ||
| We could debate about that too. | ||
| Let's settle it. | ||
| Let's figure it out. | ||
| Let's settle it. | ||
| Let's do a race and IQ debate. | ||
| Let's do a debate about JFK, let's settle it. | ||
| You and me. | ||
| You're the liberal, I'm the conservative. | ||
| If you're not the leader of a political movement, and you're willing to let your mind be changed, and you're after the truth, then let's do it. | ||
| If I'm just a dishonest guy, cherry-picking, then you have nothing to fear. | ||
| You're not afraid where this is going to go. | ||
| You're not afraid of the audience response. | ||
| Let's settle it. | ||
| Let's settle all the issues. | ||
| Let's settle race and IQ. | ||
| Let's settle a JFK debate. | ||
| Let's settle it. | ||
| Let's make it conclusive. | ||
| We can have Sneeko on there if he's interested. | ||
| But, you know, you're not going to go on there and ankle-bite me when I'm on this panel. | ||
| And then we're going to go one-on-one and settle it, and you're going to do this thing. | ||
| You're going to ambush me with 9-11, and then you're going to pull out of the JFK one. | ||
| That's really convenient, don't you think? | ||
| so that's that's my I found I think it's... I think the response will be telling. | ||
| I mean, you have my word. | ||
| The Groepers will not report you. | ||
| Nobody will report you. | ||
| Nobody will report your friends. | ||
| I'm saying it right now. | ||
| I disavow anybody that goes out reporting Destiny or his friends, okay? | ||
| That's from me. | ||
| Anybody who does that is going to be sanctioned by me, 100%. | ||
| Anybody who does that is banned from AfPak. | ||
| Henceforth, You try and flag Destiny, you try and flag his friends on stream, you know, if there's evidence of it, I'm not gonna, you know... If people did what Destiny said Big Tech did, if that's my responsibility, okay. | ||
| If anybody does that, they're banned from AfPak. | ||
| How's that? | ||
| Take it to the bank. | ||
| Now that that's settled, now that that issue's settled, there should be no reason why I shouldn't be able to defend those ideas. | ||
| So, and if we're both committed to being honest, then we don't need to call each other liars or slippery or say that one's a political actor or whatever. | ||
| We can both, if you take what I say at face value, then I will take what you say at face value. | ||
| I'll say, you know what, you're right, and we admonish anybody and we sanction anybody that does that. | ||
| And we can agree to a Rules of Engagement. | ||
| If that's the agreement, then consider it agreed upon. | ||
| And you have my word. | ||
| And if you see anybody doing that, let me know and they will be banned from AFPAC. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And if those are the agreed upon rules, and we agree that we're both good faith actors, then we can proceed with this good faith conversation that you want to have. | ||
| If you're not afraid, if you're not concerned where it's going to go, and you want the best ideas to win, then it's off to the races as far as I'm concerned. | ||
| Unless there's something else. | ||
| But put your money where your mouth is. | ||
| I put my money where my mouth is. | ||
| If that was the concern, consider it done. | ||
| That's me putting my money where my mouth is. | ||
| If the reason you backed out of the debate was because of what Big Tech said, okay. | ||
| If anyone says what Big Tech said again, they're banned from AFPAC. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| That's me putting my money where my mouth is. | ||
| Now if you're saying that that was the only reason that you don't want to engage anymore, because we need to agree on rules of engagement, consider it agreed upon and enforceable. | ||
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Now there's... Now use can't leave. | |
| There you go. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Unless there's some other thing, because what we heard is, well, we scheduled the 9-11 debate. | ||
| Well, that's bullshit. | ||
| You know it. | ||
| And if the concern was the rules of engagement, consider it done. | ||
| Consider it done, and you can call me a liar at any point, show me evidence henceforth of someone doing that, I will ban their ass, I will say it publicly. | ||
| From Afpac, not from Cozy, it's a free speech platform. | ||
| But I will admonish them, I will ban their ass so fast, and you can hold me accountable on that. | ||
| But now that the rules of engagement are agreed to, you're out of excuses, my friend. | ||
| If you were being good faith, then hey, I just answered your call. | ||
| Donezo. | ||
| Unless there's something else. | ||
| But now we will see. | ||
| Now we will see. | ||
| Because if he comes back and equivocates and says, oh, I don't know, then we know you're full of shit. | ||
| And if you come back and say, okay, rules of engagement agreed to, then we're good. | ||
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Done. | |
| There's your framework. | ||
| There's your deal. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| If I'm responsible, then I'm responsible. | ||
| If the position wasn't clear before, it's clear now. | ||
| So, alright. | ||
| With that out of the way, we're gonna move on. | ||
| And we'll see what our Super Chats are. | ||
| Oh, that E-Drama is taken care of. | ||
| All-important E-Drama. | ||
| Let me pull these up. |
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