Jan. 14, 2022 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes
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| Until Hitler came. | ||
| would have been like compared to today is like nothing of course because that's true and the weimar republic led to nazi germany germans hitler rose to power which was bad but basically by complaining about the decadence that had been spread throughout germany during the 1920s Let's go! | ||
| That was a reaction, and then they had the same react- After Hitler was completely defeated, they had the same reaction- Hitler was never defeated! | ||
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No, kidding, kidding! | |
| That's a joke. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| When the United States started promoting pornography in Concord, Germany. | ||
| I think in retrospect, the Germans find the Nazi thing more regrettable than the pornography thing. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think Americans promoted pornography in Germany during the occupation after the war. | ||
| It just happened because people like porn. | ||
| No, no, no, nothing just happened. | ||
| Nothing just happened in Germany after war. | ||
| In order to have a magazine, a book, a TV show, a movie, you had to get a license. | ||
| You had a license from an official of the American government. | ||
| So nothing just happened in Germany. | ||
| People printed First of all, there is no evidence of what you just said. | ||
| And secondly, it is exactly the situation that nothing got printed in Germany without the permission of the Americans. | ||
| And if they allowed it, it meant they promoted it. | ||
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It's just no. | |
| First of all, there is no evidence of what you just said. | ||
| And secondly, it is exactly the situation that nothing got printed in Germany without the permission of the Americans. | ||
| And if they allowed it, it meant they promoted it. | ||
| Why should we move on? | ||
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Let's see. | |
| This one coming in from J.P. | ||
| I just just wait, just to be clear, the only reason the the American government is relevant here at all is because their position on pornography is being contrasted with the Nazis. | ||
| In the Weimar Republic, they did print pornography. | ||
| So what you're telling me right now is that you would have sided with the Nazis, that you would have been in West Germany like a stodgy old fart, you know, with your arms crossed going, you know, well, they may have killed 6 million Jews, but You know, at least the Nazis had the right idea about not letting people draw pictures of boobs on pieces of paper. | ||
| Like, the only reason the Americans introduced it is because the prior government was the Nazi government. | ||
| I mean, they introduced everything. | ||
| So you admit they did introduce it? | ||
| So you admit that they did introduce it? | ||
| When I put up finger quotes when I said introduced. | ||
| So you do until you're challenged and then you don't? | ||
| No, finger quotes mean that I'm being sarcastic. | ||
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I love how it's like, wait, so you agree with radical Islam? | |
| Wait, so you agree with the Nazis? | ||
| I hate to do this, but we have a lot of questions. | ||
| JPG says, besides from sexualizing everything, I'll be ignoring the studied effects of porn on the brainwash. | ||
| It's worse than most drugs out there. | ||
| I'm an ex-addict. | ||
| Uh, no. | ||
| You're lying. | ||
| If you think that the effects of porn on the brain are in any way chemically comparable to the use of drug abuse, no, you're making that up. | ||
| Porn addiction can correspond to dopamine withdrawals and overstimulation and resistance to future stimuli, the same as interest in anything else. | ||
| Haven't you seen a person burn themselves out playing video games? | ||
| Haven't you seen a person like get really obsessively fixated with some movie fandom and then slowly lose interest with time, but not know how to replace it with something else? | ||
| Haven't you seen people fall out with a sport? | ||
| Like this pattern of behavior is just a flaw in the human brain. | ||
| We're just weak, you know? | ||
| The Chad move here is to overcome that weakness with self-control and discipline, not by projecting your negative experiences onto the thing that you have the bad relationship with. | ||
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Yeah, really, really disciplined person exercising self-control. | |
| Since Vaush's anal brain only responds to previous data, I recommend you search, quote, your brain on porn, unquote. | ||
| He's a perfect picture of discipline and self-control and self-mastery, right? | ||
| I do find it funny that the idea that I am influenced by evidence is some kind of date at me. | ||
| Morbidly obese, greasy, child porn consumer. | ||
| I thought we were supposed to be preserving the light of Western civilization here, boys. | ||
| You know, empiricism was an Enlightenment thing. | ||
| Yeah, I'm familiar with what you're looking at. | ||
| There's been a lot of research on quote-unquote porn addiction, and I'm saying quote-unquote there because, again, it really just seems to be the same as the kind of Unbelievable! | ||
| fixations people form on other things there might be some additional socially cultivated downsides probably stemming from the fact that when people watch porn and they have a negative relationship from it they feel sad because they're not the ones actually you know fucking as opposed to like getting addicted to movies or video games where they might not necessarily wish that they were the ones shooting nazis though i do uh um hilarious but yeah that's that doesn't that that doesn't mean that it's the same like chemical addiction is like a uh a drug you know | ||
| and then again it is it's been proven that this is the case abolishing the first amendment taking down all pornography and media how would you even enforce that It's just an unimaginable amount of data, like all nudity, and you'd have to ban it and other things. | ||
| You'd turn us into China. | ||
| No, I reject it. | ||
| I reject this Chinese bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, because you're a fucking CIA agent, you fake AMI6. | ||
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It says, Dr. Jones thinks that people need to be sexually thirsty to force them to interact like animals. | |
| Masturbation helps you, though, to get into meaningful, thoughtful relationships. | ||
| That's all it says. | ||
| Dr. Jones, if you'd like to respond. | ||
| Yeah, that's preposterous. | ||
| You're flying in the face of reality, as Vosch does all the time here. | ||
| They're simply not talking about the reality of masturbation, which leads to isolation. | ||
| It doesn't lead to communion with the opposite sex. | ||
| The whole point of a successful life is making some type of connection with the opposite sex. | ||
| Getting married, starting a family, having children. | ||
| Pornography and masturbation prevent that from happening, so therefore it's bad. | ||
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This is Mr. Monk. | |
| Can I ask one quick question of Dr. Jones? | ||
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It's pithy. | |
| No. | ||
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Gosh, I do want to move on. | |
| To be fair, Dr. Jones did say he wanted to do a lot of questions to get the audience involved, so I do want to jump. | ||
| Mr. Monster says, well, so this one is for you. | ||
| Huh? | ||
| That's what I like about you. | ||
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This one coming in from Mr. Monster says, Dr. Jones, but do you think it's healthy to repress natural feelings and thoughts if you're going to disown masturbation and pornography? | |
| You're not repressing natural feelings, you're repressing unnatural feelings and channeling them toward a goal that will lead to a happy outcome in life. | ||
| I'm promoting the interaction between the sexes, which is precisely what masturbation and pornography inhibit. | ||
| I don't know why that's so difficult to understand. | ||
| The people in this generation have failed to start families. | ||
| They've failed to embark upon life for two main reasons. | ||
| It's pornography and student loan debt. | ||
| I'm proposing a way out of that, which does involve, by the way, self-control. | ||
| Yeah, I agree with that. | ||
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This one coming in from Bezos Anti-Bullying Agency says, acting like porn desensitization doesn't exist is outright dangerous and harmful to young society, Vosh. | |
| I'm terribly sorry. | ||
| Could you repeat that question for me? | ||
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You bet. | |
| They said, acting like porn desensitization doesn't exist is outright dangerous and harmful to young society. | ||
| I think I've acknowledged that it exists plenty of times, both in the Q&A and in the conversation beforehand. | ||
| I just don't think that it's a uniquely harmful force outside of the desensitization that we experience with plenty of other things. | ||
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Everything that, like, him and Destiny say is just, like, pretending to be a fucking idiot. | |
| Well, porn is just as bad as anything. | ||
| It might be a little bit worse, but people get addicted to video games. | ||
| It's like, really? | ||
| Being addicted to video games is the same as being addicted to porn? | ||
| What about being addicted to drugs? | ||
| Is that the same as being addicted to M&M's? | ||
| No, it's you. | ||
| You're doing this. | ||
| You're having it done to yourself, you know? | ||
| And if there are issues, you know, and you can find them across the board, tons of different mediums, not just pornography, but if there are issues, that's your responsibility to take care of it. | ||
| I've had issues with like video game addiction kind of, and I pulled back on that. | ||
| It's a process of will. | ||
| Humans are fallible. | ||
| It's just a matter of working towards self betterment, a constant Well, maybe you would. | ||
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you die you'll never be free of it and if they banned the porn you know goddamn well you'd be jerking off to every curvy piece of driftwood you saw at the beach okay so don't don't maybe you would maybe you would i would if they banned porn i know i think we'll move into the next one This one coming from TheNecroKrat says, Dr. Jones, have you heard of Dr. Alden's theory on how porn is harmful? | |
| I have a feeling, let's see, you maybe haven't. | ||
| Maybe an obscure researcher. | ||
| This one coming in from Bezos's Anti-Bullying Agency says, does Vosh at least concede free porn sites should have age restrictions to prevent young children from using their services? | ||
| HE WANTS HIS CHILD PORN! | ||
| OF COURSE HE DOESN'T THINK THAT! | ||
| - I don't think that. - I mean, I don't think that does anything. | ||
| I think they all already have that. | ||
| But yeah, like I don't think 12 year olds should be looking at porn. - Yeah, he thinks they should be in the porn 'cause he's a pedophile. - If you're a parent, you should install content blockers on your computer. | ||
| I don't know how well those work. | ||
| Like, if your kid's super tech-savvy... I don't know how that works. | ||
| He's just such a fucking fake. | ||
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Let's go! | |
| Debate me, fat retard! | ||
| Because I think it's an important issue. | ||
| in from camille chow chow says ask why dr jones accepted this debate topic and ask if vosh will debate nick fuentes let's go you dr jones debate me fat retard on the topic because i think it's an important issue and apparently there are still uh still people out there willing to defend it uh and they defend it or it's an important issue It's an important issue because most people don't understand it. | ||
| As I said before, most people see this as an idea of freedom and it's not – fail to see the control mechanisms that are behind these ideas, behind the illusion of freedom. | ||
| So I think it's worth talking about. | ||
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And then, Vosch, on whether or not you'll debate Nick Fontes. | |
| Let's go. | ||
| It's been two years. | ||
| I've just said email me. | ||
| No, this is just – listen, at the end of the day, what you want is he calls me fat and then I say virgin and then we both hang up. | ||
| It's really boring. | ||
| You're afraid. | ||
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You're a fat bitch and you're afraid. | |
| It's literally just about – Really? | ||
| We've sent the email, dipshit! | ||
| We've sent the email! | ||
| We tried to get it together on Elijah! | ||
| We tried to get it together with Auggie! | ||
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We tried to get it together through three different moderators! | |
| This one coming in. | ||
| Sorry, folks, I got to warn you, please don't send any more questions. | ||
| We tried to get it together on Elijah. | ||
| We tried to get it together with Avi. | ||
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We tried to get it together through three different moderators. | |
| What a fucking fat coward. | ||
| It violates the natural law, which is more grave than a violation of justice. | ||
| Here, here. | ||
| I'll say this. | ||
| I'll say this right now. | ||
| Vosh, Fat Ian, I will debate you on any topic on Elijah Schaefer's show on The Blaze. | ||
| I believe they will pay you money to do this. | ||
| They will pay you money. | ||
| I'll debate on Elijah's show. | ||
| I will debate on the Killstream. | ||
| I'll debate on AugieRFC's channel. | ||
| I will debate you with the moderator on a topic of your choosing. | ||
| We could debate what you want. | ||
| We could debate mass immigration. | ||
| We could debate tech censorship. | ||
| We could debate COVID, lockdown, Race will debate. | ||
| But that's the challenge. | ||
| You're challenged. | ||
| We sent the emails. | ||
| You didn't reply. | ||
| It's like watching paint dry. | ||
| It would be boring. | ||
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No. | |
| Let's have a serious debate. | ||
| I've debated Dave Smith, Robert Barnes, Sticks, Hex and Hammer just this year and none of it was ad hominem. | ||
| So the gauntlet's been thrown down. | ||
| The concept of debate. | ||
| Jones, do you want to just put them up sometime? | ||
| We can go boxing. | ||
| I can pulverize your skeleton. | ||
| Like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Like, adherence to the national order? | ||
| You know that, like, back in the good old days, we would just hit each other with rocks, right? | ||
| And I guarantee you I can lift a bigger one than you. | ||
| This deference, and it's always the weakest people who defer to it, by the way. | ||
| The only reason that you weren't cast out from the tribe and left to be eaten by wolves for your degenerate anti-Semitism is because modern civilization coddles you like the infant that you are. | ||
| The idea that you of all people would be relying on on this. | ||
| Oh, well, rape is more. | ||
| No, rape isn't more anything than anything. | ||
| Okay, shut the fuck up. | ||
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This one coming in from Jay Grimes. | |
| That's your comment on debate. | ||
| Got a bigger rock than you, Jones. | ||
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This one coming in from Jay Grimes. | |
| Dr. Jones, what does your view of sexual liberation mean for LGBT rights? | ||
| Sexual liberation Degenerate anti-Semitism. | ||
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who's getting claimed from the pack of walls other than the other. | |
| It's not the sex as it is intended to be, the natural order of sex, which is basically between a man and a woman. | ||
| So all homosexual activity is a violation of the natural order. | ||
| So why these people should have special rights because they're violating the natural order is something that I can't explain. | ||
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This one coming in from – thanks, Hake, for your support. | |
| Oh, TheHakeReport says, click like, everybody. | ||
| Thanks for your support. | ||
| And SilentShout says, Vosh, if you're a Marxist, why are you defending oligarchs, student loans, debt, and women's sexual exploitation through pornography? | ||
| Good question. | ||
| Nosball? | ||
| Well, first of all, I only consume furry pornography drawn by poor college students, so I don't know what you mean by oligarchs. | ||
| Uh, exploitation of women, same point addressed. | ||
| What are you, what are you talking about? | ||
| You realize that from a Marxist perspective- Women aren't exploited by porn! | ||
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Men are exploited by porn! | |
| Women, women, I mean, yeah, okay, they're being taken advantage of, but they're taking advantage too. | ||
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What else? | |
| Are you food? | ||
| Yeah, well, farming's- You know, when girls make it only fans, and they're raking in the cash every month, and men are being subjected to that? | ||
| Yeah, who's really being taken advantage of? | ||
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Please. | |
| Because, and this is historically true, uh, illegalizing prostitution and pornography Do not stop women from being abused in those industries. | ||
| Makes things worse, actually. | ||
| There are ways to solve these problems, but don't pretend that you care about women's rights. | ||
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Like, come on. | |
| True. | ||
| We don't care about women's rights. | ||
| Oh yeah, you want to ban porn because you're so concerned with women's rights. | ||
| Come on. | ||
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True. | |
| I never made that argument. | ||
| I never made that argument. | ||
| You really think anyone here is going to buy that? | ||
| Like, that's what you're concerned with? | ||
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This one from Giorgio says, Vosch said economics is the reason for current isolation. | |
| Dr. Jones has previously talked about Foucault changing leftist politics to sex instead of economics. | ||
| Can he elaborate more on this? | ||
| Yeah, this is the default position. | ||
| It's basically Vosch's position, even though he doesn't really understand it. | ||
| Basically, the left disintegrated Look at how weak his chin is. | ||
| That's why he has a beard. | ||
| He looks like a fucking fish. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You ever see that picture of him when he was young? | ||
| He has no chin. | ||
| They realized that it was more important – shifted from Marx's idea that if you control the means of production, that that will bring about the freedom that you want for the working class to a realization that that was never going to happen. | ||
| And then a shift away from taking over the economic production to the culture and then to sexuality. | ||
| That's precisely the deal that Foucault did with the ruling class. | ||
| He did it at Berkeley. | ||
| He was a teacher at Berkeley. | ||
| He had an epiphany and basically what happened is that he came up with shifting liberation away from economic liberation towards sexual liberation. | ||
| allowed him to make a separate piece with the oligarchs, and that's precisely what happened over this period of time. | ||
| It happened in the 70s in San Francisco. | ||
| He was a teacher at Berkeley at the time, and basically you had the homosexuals in San Francisco converting to economic libertarianism, and that became pretty much the default setting for the United States after that. | ||
| It's basically sexual liberation, left-wing sexual liberation combined with right-wing control of the oligarchs' control of the economy. | ||
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Karatakos Eustace says, Dr. Jones is right. | |
| Most incels have been porn obsessed. | ||
| And also, the more sexual partners you have, the less likely you have to maintain a stable marriage. | ||
| I'm a pure incel. | ||
| Actually, I've taken a look at that data. | ||
| First of all, yeah, no shit. | ||
| Most incels have had problems with pornography. | ||
| That's kind of tautological, don't you think? | ||
| I mean, you're kind of selecting for the group there. | ||
| It's like saying most people with porn problems have porn problems. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| In terms of fewer sexual partners leading to a decreased likelihood of marriage, actually, that data is largely untrue. | ||
| Are you referring to the Black Pigeon Speaks video, I think it was? | ||
| There was a counter video to that. | ||
| I don't know who did it, but the data on that was literally done by some amateur researcher who wanted to post-talk justify his perspectives. | ||
| It wasn't real research. | ||
| The problem was that they were counting in the sexual partners had from people who were previously married, but then no longer were, meaning that you were adding to the perceived, uh, you know, sexual immorality of people who had already experienced marriage. | ||
| The data was just really wonky. | ||
| I don't know if there's been any substantive data on that. | ||
| Like, not really. | ||
| There were also confounding variables to take into account and don't, hey, and by the way, if there are any people watching Rolling the Rise of this, okay. | ||
| Do not make sociological claims if you're not ready to hold your standards to sociological standards, okay? | ||
| So, you would also need to do aggressive analysis while taking into account a bunch of other factors. | ||
| Younger people are more likely to have more sexual partners relative to their age, because people are more sexually liberated now, and young people are also less likely to get married. | ||
| You also have to correspond this to different levels of marriage in rural versus urban areas, because urban people tend to have more sex, but rural people tend to marry younger. | ||
| There are tons of things that correlate to this. | ||
| It's not just sexual partners. | ||
| That's the reason why there's no strong research on this. | ||
| It's very complicated. | ||
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You got it, and thank you very much for this question. | |
| Coming in from DoAppreciateIt, Morgan Cody says, Vosh, can you quickly explain how porn is protected as free speech in particular? | ||
| These so-called warriors seem to think freedom of speech is supposed to only protect speech they like. | ||
| Oh, it's the line for defining like pornography. | ||
| First of all, it'd be really muddy. | ||
| Just like a video, like a movie in which a person is topless count. | ||
| Earlier, Dr. Jones was talking about people showing their ankles. | ||
| I mean, where does that line go? | ||
| What about material in which people are fully clothed, but the clothing is wet? | ||
| What about material in which people are fully clothed and the clothing is dry, but the clothing is tight? | ||
| I mean, like, Banned. | ||
| Banned. | ||
| Here's a good standard. | ||
| If in doubt, banned. | ||
| meaningful line here, which means that if it were ever to be effective, it would either be a meaningless and easy to work around piece of legislation, or it would be like the complete and utter destruction. | ||
| It would basically just say, we now have an anti-obscenity council, and if they don't like something, they get to shoot you in the head. | ||
| It's an utter violation of our personal rights here, which I value tremendously. | ||
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How could you grant me the rank of... | |
| How could you put me on the council they say Islamic thanks very much uh xx wzw xx says Islamic countries have banned porn and they have the highest rates of porn consumption in the world how does Dr. Jones explain this uh because uh internet is very difficult to to control That's part of the problem. | ||
| And if everyone else has access to internet pornography, it will be easy for people in those countries to have access to it. | ||
| This is not something that some type of individual can solve on his own. | ||
| You can solve the problem by simply avoiding pornography. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| That will solve that problem. | ||
| It will lose it. | ||
| It will free your mind. | ||
| It will allow you to interact with members of the opposite sex and it will lead you to allow you to have a successful life. | ||
| But the problem here is why should someone be given the right to constantly trip you up? | ||
| Why should someone be given the right to constantly pander to your desires in a way? | ||
| Because we all have this weakness. | ||
| Everybody knows we have a weakness when it comes to human sexuality. | ||
| Who gave these the right? | ||
| Who gave these people the right? | ||
| You're projecting, man. | ||
| Who gave these people the right to exploit that weakness for financial gain? | ||
| That's the main issue here. | ||
| And our friend is avoiding that issue. | ||
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This one from LaughingMyAssoff says, Does Vosch not know what stance the Soviets held with regard to porn? | |
| They banned it. | ||
| What the fuck do you think I have to do with the Soviets? | ||
| They would have sent me straight to the gulags. | ||
| You know what Lenin did to the anarchists? | ||
| Let's go! | ||
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Let's go! | |
| Dude, if Stalin could kill Vosch... Ugh! | ||
| Do you know what Stalin would have done? | ||
| I don't care what Stalin would have done. | ||
| He would have lined him up right alongside other people I disagree with, if given the chance. | ||
| And point them out, say that I dislike them. | ||
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Zero Kev asks, Vaush, porn is actually leading to people having less and less sex than in previous decades. | |
| I think you mentioned earlier that people are actually having more sex, so maybe you disagree with that. | ||
| They say also, well, I'll let you first respond to that, it's a two-parter. | ||
| People I think are having more sexual partners when they're young, Relative to their age now. | ||
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than earlier but people are having less sex right now than they used to when i see people saying based stalin in chat 30 years ago remember when trump said that thing about like further back we're going to protect gay people from islam and then the gop cheered he was like i'm so glad to hear you clap for that now gay example but that's how i feel when the live chat says based stalin hail stalin i'm like and i'm so glad to hear you clap for that by the way your average college student okay | |
| they're not disinterested in fucking i promise you okay they're always stressed man of steel they're stressed out because life is expensive they don't have the time or the money to do the things they want and hanging out with people cost money too you know i mean you can go to a park but most people go out for food or whatever and that can be like a day's work life is hard right now i don't think it's because of porn i you know i i don't think it's because of I don't think the research shows that. | ||
| And just this is my anecdotal experience, but looking at porn has never made me want to fuck people less. | ||
| It's made me want to fuck people more. | ||
| Whenever I looked at porn, my thought was like, oh, that's cool. | ||
| Yeah, I should like go on Tinder, you know, like, oh, wow, that's cool. | ||
| Like my experience with it has not been like, you know, oh, now I don't need to. | ||
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But the stress of college... Boring! | |
| Boring! | ||
| Bored! | ||
| I think that's the bigger cause, personally. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Mainstream recorded pornography is pretty degrading to women. | ||
| But people were pretty degrading to women before the pornography. | ||
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What a fucking stupid argument. | |
| So I think that's more a reflection of people's tastes. | ||
| Then it is the porn industry making people misogynistic. | ||
| I think the issue here is like, you know, those tastes existed and have existed for a long time and that needs to be worked on, but they would be there without the porn. | ||
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This from Just Call Me Oscar says, Dr. Jones, would you prefer to forbid porn at the federal level or reverse the 14th amendment and allow the states to decide? | |
| If you make me king of the United States, I will make that decision. | ||
| No, I think that the laws should be, there are obscenity laws already on the books, they should be enforced. | ||
| They will be enforced at a local level. | ||
| That's, I think what we're seeing in the United States is a reversion to local autonomy, local hegemony over local culture. | ||
| I think abortion is an example of this. | ||
| I think it's going to be returned to the states. | ||
| I think abortion is similar to what we're talking about here with pornography and the worldview that our friend here is espousing. | ||
| It's the Hollywood worldview. | ||
| It's the Hollywood privileged worldview where basically they want to rule the entire world according to their twisted standards. | ||
| That basically was enforced by the Supreme Court and now we're seeing the Supreme Court is backing away from that and we're going to see the rise of regional culture and it'll ban abortion and I think it's also going to ban pornography as well. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| And this one from Daily Veracity says, Vosh, rape has absolutely gone up over the past 60 years. | ||
| In 1950, it was approximately 8 per 100,000, and today it's 29 per 100,000, a threefold increase. | ||
| You're starting from the decade of recorded crime or record crime. | ||
| They say you're starting from the decade of record crime, the 90s, which is disingenuous. | ||
| I started from the 70s. | ||
| Which were not a decade of record crime. | ||
| Um, no, I guess I'd have to depend on your chart. | ||
| I mean, I was pulling that from a government source. | ||
| There are probably some statistical sources that might have contrary numbers, but I got to wonder how much they're, how much they're factoring in other confounding variables, like the reporting rate. | ||
| So I'd be willing to bet that reported rapes have gone up massively over the past century. | ||
| But I don't think that's because rape has gotten more common. | ||
| I think that's because in 1926, if a dame walked to the local station and said she'd been raped, the cops would beat her to death and then find her husband. | ||
| I feel like there are other factors at play there. | ||
| Nine out of 100,000 from a century ago sounds like comically low to me. | ||
| Um, yeah, I mean, there are probably different sources, but I trust, I think it's gone down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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This one, One Man's Chorus says, Vosh, the difference between sex in private and porn is that porn is meant for public consumption. | |
| It's an example for other people to follow. | ||
| Showing sex is a non-moral context encourages people to treat it that way. | ||
| I don't know what you mean by moral context. | ||
| We know that! | ||
| We know that! | ||
| I know, but you don't either because you failed utterly to explain it and Christ is frowning on you from his cloud. | ||
| Oh, please. | ||
| Look, sex is a mechanical act, okay? | ||
| It's a physical thing that you can do. | ||
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I love how he keeps jumping in with the humiliation. | |
| Some people are good at it, some people are bad at it. | ||
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I don't know what morality is! | |
| We know! | ||
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We know! | |
| Which I guess is more fun than playing tennis against a wall. | ||
| But this context of moral acts, If you look at tits online, like, I don't understand what moral, when I think of ethics, I think of like the system by which you assess whether something is harmful or not harmful. | ||
| And I just utterly failed to demonstrate the issue here, you know? | ||
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No, we didn't. | |
| No, we didn't. | ||
| Every time we demonstrate it, you ignore it. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Next question. | ||
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This one coming in from KansasZoomer says the stance Vosh is referring to for the Middle Ages rape included arranged marriages. | |
| This is pretty disingenuous. | ||
| Does Vosh read his own sources? | ||
| I haven't provided any sources on the Middle Ages, so I don't know. | ||
| First of all, I think you could argue that arranged marriages are in many cases rape, but I actually didn't name any sources. | ||
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You can't debug my sources because I don't have any. | |
| I don't know if they just heard me say it and they were just like ready to go. | ||
| But I'm also against arranged marriages for what it's worth. | ||
| And also counting a whole arranged marriage as one rape actually feels like understanding the issue of it. | ||
| You know, maybe every once in a while you get an arranged marriage where things are all hunky dory. | ||
| But I have a feeling that a lot of those led to many rapes. | ||
| So, again, reporting wasn't even a thing back then. | ||
| But we have kind of like a historians have a way of pulling like very rough data from those times. | ||
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That's so stupid. | |
| Yeah, murder was also much higher. | ||
| Murder used to be so common. | ||
| It's so, so, so rare today. | ||
| Back in the day, everyone knew a dude who'd, like, been murdered. | ||
| Like, that was, like, just a thing. | ||
| Like, you're going down the road and, like, oh, bandits. | ||
| Whack! | ||
| And you just, that's a guy who's been murdered. | ||
| Nowadays, that is not the case. | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't happen now. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| And last question. | ||
| This is an interesting one. | ||
| RH says, question for both. | ||
| And by the way, we're a few minutes over. | ||
| So thanks, both Dr. Jones and Vosch. | ||
| We're kind of going a little bit beyond what we promised. | ||
| But there have just been so many questions. | ||
| And also, this is an intriguing one. | ||
| They say, question for both. | ||
| What percent of female porn stars are there by choice compared to those that are there not by choice? | ||
| This ignores the issue of whether you can engineer consent The whole point of social engineering as it was practiced after World War II in the United States was to engineer consent. | ||
| You can create an atmosphere in which people will act against their own best interest. | ||
| That's simply a fact of life and that's what happens with pornography. | ||
| You have widespread acceptance of behavior that is against the best interest of the people who engage in it. | ||
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You got it. | |
| And I want to say, folks, thanks so much for spending time... Oh, I think that was for both of us. | ||
| I just want to jump in. | ||
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Yeah, go for it. | |
| I just think it is a problem, but it is a problem that has gotten better. | ||
| The more light there is, the more destigmatization there is on the porn and sex industry, the less abuse there will be. | ||
| That's the case for basically every industry. | ||
| We saw this during prohibition and alcohol production and consumption. | ||
| The more de-stigmatized, accepted, regulated something is, the more legal it is, the less abuse there will be, because everything's above board, everything's in the books, and it's easier for people who are abused to turn to the police without fearing for their own profession, for their, well, their freedom. | ||
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You've got it. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And I want to say, folks, we really do appreciate our guests, and sorry we did not get to all of the questions. | ||
| However, if you want to hear more or read more from our guests, they are linked in the description. | ||
| I'm going to be back with a post-credit scene in just a moment, letting you know about upcoming debates, as we have many juicy debates like this one coming up. | ||
| But we want to say, most of all, thanks so much. | ||
| It has been a true pleasure. | ||
| Vosch and Dr. Jones, we appreciate you spending time with us tonight. | ||
| It's been my pleasure. | ||
| Nice to see you again, James. | ||
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You as well. | |
| Thank you. | ||
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With that, I'll be back in just a moment, folks. | |
| Thanks so much, and stick around. | ||
| Just gonna say just a moment, Phat. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Well, that was long. | |
| That was like an hour and 40 minutes. | ||
| Sheesh. | ||
| Well, that's gonna do it for me on the show. | ||
| I'll recap a little bit. | ||
| I don't think we're gonna read Super Chats. | ||
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I don't think people know I'm doing Super Chats. | |
| So if anybody sent Super Chats, I'll just read them tomorrow night. | ||
| But yeah, honestly, I was pleasantly surprised with the performance of E. Michael Jones. | ||
| You know, I don't think he's really the finest debater, actually. | ||
| I think that he's sort of dogmatic and it was not a perfect performance for similar reasons. | ||
| But I thought he did a very good job. | ||
| I thought it was a strong performance. | ||
| And I think he really hit the nail on the head towards the end there when he said, you know, it's this why, how, what, constant interruptions, this infinite regress, you know, and that we're not able to understand anything. | ||
| And I think that's exactly what these guys are. | ||
| It's, you know, he said it's sophomoric. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| It's vulgar. | ||
| It's juvenile. | ||
| These constant interjections, diversions, detours, how, why, what, glib, sort of smarmy, laughing. | ||
| So, yeah, I thought it was very good. | ||
| There really wasn't much from Vosch at all in the way of actual arguments. | ||
| I think that it was, you know, E. Michael Jones really making the argument and Vosch sort of, like, what? | ||
| Why? | ||
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How? | |
| So, yeah, I thought Jones did very well. | ||
| I think he could have elaborated a little bit more on, you know, the sexual morality aspect of it. | ||
| I think the Ramallah thing is weak. | ||
| I think that, you know, the No Nut November thing I think is also weak. | ||
| I think it's a good compliment, but I don't know that that was an argument in itself. | ||
| I don't think it was sufficient. | ||
| So, not to be too picky, but yeah, I thought he did a good job. | ||
| I thought E. Michael Jones won. | ||
| I thought Vosch lost. | ||
| I don't think it was as big of a victory as it could have been, but I thought it was solid. | ||
| I think he totally destroyed Vosch. | ||
| So yeah, so it was interesting. | ||
| Interesting debate. | ||
| He's just so insufferable, Ian Kuczynski, you know, and you see that it's not just, it's not just two people that disagree. | ||
| The disagreements are made manifest. | ||
| Here you've got E. Michael Jones, who's a patriarch, a scholar, educated, respected, an author, respectful, and so on. | ||
| And then on the other side, you've just got this fat loser, really, Fat, juvenile, smug, vulgar, degenerate loser who grooms children and is, is what, polyamorous? | ||
| So, you know, it's almost like there's two levels to the debate. | ||
| There's a debate itself and then you've got the debate sort of expressing itself through the people, through the people making the arguments. | ||
| So, You know, so that's always interesting. | ||
| He lied, though. | ||
| You know, somebody asked, when are you going to debate Nick Fuentes? | ||
| And he goes, well, it's been two years. | ||
| He won't send me an email. | ||
| And then he pivots right away to, well, I think he's just going to call me fat. | ||
| It's like, no. | ||
| Elijah Schaeffer's team sent him an email. | ||
| This is documented. | ||
| Elijah Schaeffer's team at The Blaze, on his show, sent Vosch an email and said, and I gave him his email, and said, hey, would you be down to do a debate with Nick Fuentes? | ||
| We got no reply. | ||
| We tried to set it up through Augie, RFC, who knows Vaush? | ||
| No reply. | ||
| I believe we tried to set it up through the Killstream as well. | ||
| No reply. | ||
| So, that's a lie. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| We have tried to set that debate up through several moderators and, you know, Schaefer even talked at one point about paying Vaush and we both said, oh gosh, we'd hate to pay That fat slob, but it would be an awesome debate, and I would totally win. | ||
| But, I mean, we even considered paying the guy. | ||
| And Blaze has got a pretty big audience, obviously. | ||
| They wanted to do it IRL and do it up. | ||
| He had no interest in that. | ||
| So, and like I said, we tried to do it with Augie and I believe the Killstream at one point, too. | ||
| So that is a lie. | ||
| We've been trying to debate Vosch now for years, and he won't do it. | ||
| And then he gets to the real thing, which is, oh, well, I think he just called me fat. | ||
| So you're making an excuse. | ||
| You don't want to do the debate. | ||
| You're making an excuse. | ||
| Of course I've done serious debates. | ||
| I've debated Destiny three, four times. | ||
| We're setting up another debate with him on the Killstream. | ||
| So, here we go. | ||
| He just knows he would get destroyed. | ||
| Not only does he know that he would get destroyed, but he knows that it would be a huge debate, it'd be big publicity for me, everybody would like me, and everybody would watch my show. | ||
| That's the bottom line. | ||
| He knows he's going to lose, so he doesn't want to do it, but it's going to happen. | ||
| It has to. | ||
| So I had to address that. | ||
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So the gauntlet's been thrown down. | |
| We can debate on any issue. | ||
| And really, with just about any moderator, any platform, But we'll see if he agrees to that. | ||
| So, yeah, so that's your porn debate with E. Michael Jones and Vosh. | ||
| Pretty good stuff. | ||
| Yeah, but I think we covered it all. | ||
| So, that's gonna do it for me tonight. | ||
| Thanks for watching. | ||
| Hope you enjoyed. | ||
| I gave you a lot of content today. | ||
| I did a 5-hour stream this morning. | ||
| The replays are available here on Cozy. | ||
| I did a 5-hour stream this morning. | ||
| Cozy stream, I think from like 5 to 10. | ||
| So you can watch that. | ||
| And then, of course, we did two hours tonight here on the debate. | ||
| So lots of content. | ||
| If you sent in Super Chats, I'll read them tomorrow. | ||
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| AFPAC.events. | ||
| It's February 25th in Orlando. | ||
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| I'm gonna drive down in February. | ||
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| We're gonna rent a convertible. | ||
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