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April 24, 2020 - America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes

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Nick Fuentes on The Conservative Values Zoom Call (4/23/20)

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nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I can laugh.
unidentified		No, he isn't really allowed to laugh.
		If he doesn't agree with me, he's allowed to disrespect me as much as he wants, but he shouldn't expect that I give him an ounce of respect.
		You're trying to interrogate me on what it means to be an American.
		No, we're all interrupting each other.
		There's a lot of people here.
		That's the nature of this.
		You're welcome, Lemon Green.
		There's a lot.
		You're trying to irrigate me on what it means to be an American and then you're saying, oh, Canadians are like genociding the natives up till 2003.
		That's not my problem.
		No, you never let me finish my thought, but I'm going to stop you because you're obviously not going to have a respectful session with me, so.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would just like to point out, back to the substantive issues, you were saying how it's dangerous to say that somebody who doesn't share values isn't American, but my question would be to a lot of people, and this is the operative question, Is what does it mean to be an American?
		Because, and you know, before we get on to that, I think it's not a rhetorical question.
		It's an important question.
		I think a lot of people kind of use that as a gotcha, like, oh, so, you know, you think I'm less of an American, but I mean, what actually does that mean?
		Because I'll tell you that there are a lot of people that come here And they will guilt us over, you know, we're not inclusive enough, or our American identity isn't inclusive enough, but yet at the same time, they're not actually willing to give up their own national identity.
		I mean, there are cases, you could even go back into the 1990s, when you would have even sports contests, like a soccer game in LA, and you would have all the Mexican immigrants waving the Mexican flag and cheering against the American team, and it's like, They don't even cheer for our sports teams.
		Like, they don't wave our flags.
		And you can see this time and time again.
		They don't want to accept our language, our values, our customs, our mannerisms, our holidays.
		But then, they'll get bent out of shape when you say, you're not exactly as American.
		And to me, American citizenship is not what it means to be an American.
		Being on the American land is not what it means to be an American.
		And yeah, there are a lot of people in America that are on the land and citizens that I wouldn't consider American.
		So I don't think there's anything dangerous about that.
		What's dangerous is that we're losing our country and our way of life.
		Like if I went to Mexico, I'm Mexican by the way, my last name is Spanish.
		If I went to Mexico and got citizenship and lived on the land, I wouldn't be Mexican.
		I don't speak Spanish.
		I'm not a part of the culture.
		I have never lived there.
		And it could go to any country, and that would be the same.
		But for some reason, America must convert and gel and conform to whoever comes here.
		And if everybody is an American, nobody is an American.
		If everyone can be, and there's nothing that has to change, there's nothing that has to adapt, then it means nothing.
		So that is what's dangerous.
unidentified		I don't think the Mexicans think of the Mormon ranchers down there as full-blood Mexicans.
unidentified		And that's not even a race thing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So, but so what you're so okay so this is where I partially agree with with Nick and by the way Nick everybody on these D live things wants me to come quote unquote come home.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You're based, bro.
unidentified		You have the physiognomy.
		You're big.
		You're a Chad Groyper.
		Join us.
		I am my own entity and I float to where I am.
		I call myself a conservative.
		But with that being said, I do agree a little bit.
		So when you are, you are, you are American, right?
		You are American.
		And watch, I'm going to say this and everybody in the chat is going, Oh my God, he said it.
		When you are American, you put, you put American values first.
		You know what I mean?
		So that's how it rolls.
		The same is expected everywhere else in every other country.
		If I want to be a German, I obviously need to put German values first.
		It's, it's literally, in my opinion, in my opinion, because what I believe it is God, country, and then we got to worry about all the other stuff underneath.
		And if you're not, if you're not putting your country or where you call yourself that you say you are, then you're not, then you're not wherever you from, you say, or whether that's American, German, you know, European, yada, yada, yada, all that other great stuff that doesn't really matter.
		Sorry, go ahead.
		All right.
		My point.
		Before, you know, was that I find that directly, specifically with First Nations people, I'm not talking about immigration here, I'm talking about First Nations people in my country, the idea that they are less Canadian than just white people here are, it's led to a genocide.
		And so I'm very weary about the idea that certain people are less than Again, I'm going to ask you to be respectful to me since I respected your time to speak.
		Thank you.
		But obviously that's happening in my country, even to the point where their land is actively being taken, land that they've had on treaties and that they live on and that they survive on.
		They're not allowed to leave their reservations, but yet the government doesn't give them things like clean water or electricity.
		But they're not allowed to leave to go get jobs elsewhere.
		They're supposed to stay within their communities.
		And if they leave, they risk facing extreme violence.
		So I'm obviously not super educated on the topic of what makes an American, which is partially what I'm trying to understand.
		Honestly, me as an American citizen too, Because obviously my definition of American is just respect American citizen to realize obviously politics is such a huge part of American culture because we have, like when I say I'm appreciating, I don't know, like Spanish culture, there's like, I mean, Hispanic culture, like there's food and there's- I love that food boy, let me tell you something.
		Continue.
		What?
		Continue, sorry, that was a fat moment.
		Oh, and then, When you're appreciating American culture, it's almost like you have to realize that politics are such a huge part of American culture.
		So I guess a part of American would be, for me, is respecting other people's opinions and just loving the country as a whole.
		And I don't believe that your religion should affect how American you are, because that's just dumb and it's borderline fascism.
		I agree, Lucas.
		It's not, I'm not saying literal, like, enforced fascism.
		It's more like, um, what's the word?
		Like, oh, oh, you can be an American, but you're not as much American as me because you don't conform to my values and views.
		It's not my values.
		It's the values of the nation.
		The people as a mass, not just me.
		America was built on the idea that I can have this civil discussion with you and I can disagree with you.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But America's not an idea.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think that's the fundamental problem we're running into.
unidentified		America was built on the idea.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But it isn't.
		And I understand what you're saying, and I get it, but I think there's a big overemphasis that is placed on the civic aspect of America, and that's, I think, where we're getting lost.
		Because even you talk to Republicans, like that political education guy, and he'll say things like, you know, America was built so that, you know, people can come here, and refugees can come here, and we can all get along.
		And the thing is, is that America America was not designed.
		The American government was designed by the founding fathers, but the country was not designed.
		The country is organic.
		The country is organic and has been built over time by people coming here and settling and building and fighting and so on.
		And so when people say that, well, all that America means is like, Freedom of discussion or something it ignores.
		I think the much deeper complexities of what national identity is comprised of why do people stick together in their communities and states and regions and so on and And actually for a long time it was race and american identity is something that has changed over time It's something that's complex and different aspects of american identity have have had different levels of salience but for most of america's history being white was part of american identity and specifically being
		English or being Northern European and and these identities have changed over time But what we've seen at this point, maybe you know 50 or a hundred years ago a hundred years ago more aptly the identity of America was It was racially white.
		It was culturally like that Anglo Protestant culture Politically, it was the Constitution and all of that.
		It was English.
		It was Christianity.
		And what we've seen in the last 150 years or 50 to 100 years is that all the aspects of the culture have been eroded.
		And so all that is literally all that is left.
		You know, America is no longer a northern European country.
		It's no longer a white country.
		The culture has evaporated, you know, English and all that stuff.
		And all that's really left is the civic and political identity.
		That doesn't mean that that's all there ever was.
		That's all that's left after this hollowing out of national identity.
		And I don't believe that's a good development.
		I think we have to at least restore the cultural identity, and we'll see if we can make that work, a nation that's defined by its cultural and political values.
		But I think even that is tricky.
		I think you need, maybe not everybody needs to be white, but I think you need a racial core for the country too, to anchor the country.
		As Singapore is like this, China is like this.
		Russia is like this.
		There are many multiracial countries in the world, but the multiracial countries that exist and survive are ones with a racial core.
		In Russia, it's the Russians.
		They've got Tatars and they've got, you know, steppe people.
		In Central Asia, they've got Asiatics, but the cultural core is Moscow.
		It's the European western part.
		It's the Russians.
		In China, it's the Han core in the east.
		Right.
		And so the problem is, is that we have no cultural core.
		We have no ethnic or population core.
		And when that happens, you see the development of several nations within a country, which is to say that you'll have the Southwest, which is going to be Hispanic.
		You'll have the Pacific Coast, which will be lots of Asians.
		You'll have the Southeast, which will be lots of blacks.
		Whites will be sort of scattered, obviously, all over.
		And at that point, you don't really have any coherent thing that says, well, This is a single coherent hole, which is America.
		You have a lot of different things going on, and that's, I think, what everybody's trying to avoid.
		That would be chaos.
unidentified		And before anybody calls, says anything, like, I don't, obviously, like I said before, I don't agree everything that Nick says, but some of the stuff that brings up is stuff that I do believe in.
		But before anyone says anything racist about the white thing, I'm not saying anybody will, I will pay you Five dollars if you go over to like Europe, like London, ask them what the stereotypical American is and they don't give you examples of some big fat white country dude.
		Yep.
		I also want to interject.
		There's a large misconception, especially people from the anglosphere, specifically America and Canada, that most countries have a birthright citizenship and this is not true, especially in the first world.
		Most countries, especially European ones, You have the citizenship of your parents.
		Being born in a country, you will be deported as a baby with your parents because you don't have a right to live there just because your mother happened to give birth on someone else's land.
		And I think that's a very fair standard to be honest.
		There's a lot to unpack before anyone else says anything, because I feel like a lot was just thrown.
		I'm going to go after you, Lucas.
		OK, so I guess you were talking, Nick, you were talking about American culture and how it's kind of changed over time.
		And what I think is so beautiful of I think what is so beautiful about America is that it changes and the culture has changed but I think where we're struggling at this point is we don't even know what American culture is.
		We cannot identify or define an American because an American can mean anything and I think that's the issue.
		But should it?
		I don't, I don't know.
		I guess the problem I have with you saying that America was originally white was that, um, well, yes, citizens were white, but there was also black slaves and Native Americans that lived on America.
		So I think it was more diverse, but no one was considered an American unless you were white.
		Native Americans actually fall under, I think, Caucasian though.
		So, which...
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, but America is not the continent.
		America is the nation, you know?
		So people say like, oh, well, they were here first.
		And it's like, sure.
		I mean, you had Native Americans on Long Island, but it wasn't Long Island, New York.
		It was, you know, whatever was a Native American language and they're, you know, running around in loincloths.
		We made America, you know, they didn't even know what America was until we called it that.
unidentified		No, I'm not denying that.
		I'm just saying that they lived on American, well, what was considered American soil at the time.
		That lived in the 13 colonies, and I guess my more point was the black slaves.
		So you can say that, yes, Americans were considered all white and Anglo, but there were slaves that they were just not considered people and they weren't allowed to participate and contribute to the American culture.
		And I think that's the issue is that now that they are citizens and they have the same fundamental rights as we do, that they don't They never got to contribute to the culture, so I think that's kind of another issue.
		Lucas, wait.
		Oh, my bad.
		I didn't want to interrupt.
		Yeah, it's Lucas.
		Is that is that what you?
		Yeah, that's all right.
		You say this and we're gonna we're gonna try and move on.
		I'm sorry.
		He wants to be unmuted.
		He's been DMing me about it.
		Sorry.
		Thank you.
		Um, I had a couple points throughout this.
		I've been trying to keep trying to keep quiet.
		Everybody else talk, but I wanted to discuss the point of Having a race majority in America.
		I believe Nick mentioned that if I misspoke, but the importance of having a majority race and I personally don't believe that that matters.
		I think that, you know, everybody is the same, you know, just, you know, just because someone has different color skin than somebody else doesn't really make A difference.
		Actually, it doesn't really make a difference.
		It doesn't make a difference.
		And I think that, you know, we're all really the same people.
		I mean, you know, I have friends of all different backgrounds and all different colors.
		And look, I'm gonna be honest.
		There are great people of all different colors.
		There are American people of all different colors.
		And I personally do not believe that the color of your skin has any effect.
		And also, before I stop, I believe that what it is to be an American is to be a citizen of America.
		I believe that you should practice American values and that you should support American values, but by definition, being an American is being a citizen of America, regardless of your background or who you support politically.
		Anyway, you were on, I think you were on the Zoom when I think it was Baith, Baith Catholic or someone, he brought up the the Putnam studies from Bowling Alone and a couple other papers.
		Diversity, ethnic diversity, decreases social capital and makes low-trust societies, societies you don't want to live in, like the favelas in Brazil, You may say that you can love an individual who's of a different race, and of course you can.
		And of course there's great people in this country who aren't just white.
		I mean, specifically in the America First movement, there's people like Justin KG and JD, who I don't want to use as tokens, but they are truly my friends.
		Like, we play Animal Crossing all the time together.
		Oh my god yeah shut up but my point is that no one's saying that you should like judge an individual based on something they didn't choose but the the security and the uh continuation of a nation is not like some like hippie lovey oh let's be nice and hold hands kumbaya because the people we're letting in don't think that way they think in racial terms And if you're saying we shouldn't think in racial terms or in ethnic terms, but they do, right?
		They create their own enclaves in the country.
		You can see that in certain districts of New York.
		Like I brought up the Somalian, little Somalian Minnesota.
		These other people do.
		And it's not conducive to a society that wants to maintain itself if you're throwing away the core, if you're throwing away social capital, if you're making a low-trust society in the name of not judging people based on physical attributes.
		I totally see what you're saying.
		And, um, look, I don't think that what they're doing is right either.
		I, I think that, you know, nobody should be racist regardless of whether you're immigrating here or you've been here.
		I don't, I don't agree with them doing that either.
		I, I, I am not hypocritical at all.
		I think that we should all practice the same things, whether you're immigrating here or you're not immigrating here.
		And I, I will never support racism and I don't think the color of your skin matters at all.
		All right, so we've had a lot of good points on this question.
		Thank you for the question, Lemon.
		You definitely sparked a lot of things that went away from the question.
		I also want to apologize to Lemon and Lucas.
		I'm not trying to interrupt, but there's just so many people here and sometimes I think I've caught a pause and I'm incorrect.
		You were just like thinking, so I didn't mean to interrupt.
		It's okay.
		All right.
		Thank you for the very respectful of you, HW.
		I'll let you put your mask back on and play with your wooden guns.
		Alright, you do that.
		I got my actual Glock.
		Yeah, I'm scaring you.
		Okay.
	You know, technically I could testify that I think that's a real gun.
	If you step on my property, I'll put a 7mm through your dome.
	Alright.
	Moving on, all right.
	KP the Patriot, what's up?
	Hello.
	Okay.
	There are so many things I wish I could have added to some of these things, but number one, thank you for letting me ask a question.
	Um, so something I, you can call me uneducated if you want to, but the amount of political- I don't read anything bigger than that.
	So if that's even a little too big, so you say you're uneducated, I'm pretty simple minded.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Um, so to me, the amount of political affiliations is, Like, the gender spectrum.
	Like, there are so many of them.
	Well, the gender spectrum.
	Um, and I am not sure what, uh, paleoconservatism is.
	So, I don't know if anybody on here is a paleo- I've been told that they believe in a theocracy, which I disagree with, because I think separates the church and state, but I don't know if that's true.
	So, if anybody on here is a paleoconservative, or if anybody knows what that is, I would love it if you could explain that to me, because I am uneducated in that aspect.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I could take this question.
unidentified		Yeah, I was about to say, we have King Paleo-Conservative himself in the chat.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So, there's actually a little bit of history involved, which is, you kind of have to go back to, like, where modern conservatism originates in America, which is in the aftermath of World War II.
unidentified		I'm gonna empty my spirit and we're gonna kill each other.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
		Oh, okay.
		So after World War II, you have the real emergence of kind of like two conservative traditions.
		And this culminates in the creation of the National Review and the John Birch Society.
		And so this is where a lot of this begins.
		I'm going to try and simplify it so I can answer the question in an expeditious way, but If you really want to understand the roots for this, that's where you have to look is John Birch versus National Review.
		And long story short, on the John Birch side and on this more old right kind of spectrum, You've got people that believe that America is a nation of people, of land, this kind of thing.
		And National Review is really where you see the beginning of this liberal strain of conservatism.
		Actually, conservatism is about classical liberalism.
		It's about free markets, it's about small government, and so on.
		So the John Birchers all got ostracized out of the conservative movement.
		William F. Buckley fired them from the magazine.
		He totally kicked them out of the conservative movement.
		This happened in the 50s and 60s.
		Yet another instance of this conflict in the 1980s and the 1990s.
		This was the advent of the neocons and the paleocons.
		And so the neocons, the origin of the neoconservatives is these guys were Trotskyites.
		They were actually leftists in the 1950s and 60s.
		But what happened in the 1970s is that there was a war between Israel and Palestine, of course.
		And the Soviet Union was backing the Palestinians and the United States, Richard Nixon, he saved the Israelis.
		And so those Trotskyites, those old leftists said, "Well, hey, wait a second.
		We're pro-Israel." A lot of them were Jewish, by the way.
		Trotsky was Jewish.
		His name was Lev Bronstein.
		They said, "Well, we want to protect Israel.
		We see the Jewish national interest.
		So we are leftist, but we're going to become cold warriors.
		We're going to become war hawks.
		We need to take down the Soviet Union.
		This is where you get this very hawkish, this combination of sort of left-wing cultural, social, and political ideology, but with a hawkish foreign policy.
		So, in the 1980s and the 1990s, there was a big conflict between people like Bill Kristol and William F. Buckley, all these characters, and they basically exiled all the paleocons like Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis, and so on, who were In some cases, writing for National Review or were just on the scene, who were far more socially conservative than they were, you know, free market people or they were cold warriors or anything like that.
		So that was really the genesis of the conflict.
		But the reason I'm oversimplifying a lot of that, but the reason I bring it up is because What I'm trying to say is the people that have inherited conservatism in the past 40 years have been the neocons.
		The people that have taken over and defined conservatism are people that are in favor of free markets and small government and low taxes and foreign wars.
		And the people that have been buried, essentially, Ostracized from the movement and forgotten by history and not venerated and their books are out of print are the social conservatives, the paleocons, people like Pat Buchanan and all the rest who said that what conservatism really means is actually it's more about maintaining the social fabric.
		It's actually more about order.
		It's actually about having a stable, predictable, safe country than it is about creative destruction and hyper capitalism and all this.
		And so the reason that people don't know about it is because the conservatives Throughout the post-war era in America have been constantly firing, blacklisting, ostracizing, and all the rest to the paleocons.
		But that is a legitimate, valid form of conservatism that was fighting against the modern interpretation for 70 years.
		And paleocons define themselves as being anti-war.
		We want to, you know, if you read Pat Buchanan, he wants to make America a republic, not an empire.
		We want to stop immigration.
		We want to rebuild the family, and the family being One man, one woman, right?
		A mother and a father and lots of children.
		And so it's really defined by social conservatism more than it is those other aspects.
unidentified		Okay, so that makes sense.
		That gives me a better picture of it.
		So I guess like another question I have is, do paleo-conservatives believe in the separation of church and state?
		That the church, I mean, sorry, that the government shouldn't be telling what the church and like different religions to do and the church shouldn't be involved in the government.
		Do they believe in that or do they believe in a theocracy?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I hear this a lot, and I've heard this a lot in the Zoom calls about the separation of church and state.
		And honestly, this is like one of the most misunderstood doctrines in American history.
		People think that, well, number one, the separation of church and state is not in the Constitution.
		It's not in the Declaration of Independence.
		This isn't like a letter.
		But the point of the separate, the origins of that was, So that the government would not be married to the church, and then actually corrupting the church was the problem.
		What people interpret it now to mean is that if you are a legislator and you're informed by your religion, then that is somehow wrong.
		Or you know, the government might have prayer in public schools.
		But none of these things really violate the separation of church and state.
		It's talking about institutionally the separation of the institution of a church and the institution of government.
		But it doesn't mean that if you're a Christian, That you're not going to legislate based on your morality because of course, all law is informed by morality every decision in our entire worldview is informed by our religious beliefs.
		So, you know, so for example like when I look at.
		Something like abortion.
		I think abortion should be illegal because it's immoral.
		When I look at gay marriage, I think you should not have it because that's not marriage to me.
		Marriage to me is between one man and one woman.
		A lot of people like libertarians and classical liberals and neocons will say, well, we have a separation of church and state.
		Marriage is now a state or a secular institution.
		So, you know, to inform our religious, to have our law informed by religious beliefs on that is Theocracy, but I disagree.
		So it's not that we don't, it's not that we want, theocracy is when church is the government, when the religious authorities are the state government.
		We don't want that.
		We just want our laws to reflect our morality and specifically the historic Christian morality of America.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Going back to what you said about like the gay marriage and everything and how people say that like it's a theocracy, one of like the biggest things that I am concerned with or that I find interesting and worry about is that the fact that some people think that it should be mandatory for a priest or a minister to wed a same-sex couple.
		Because personally, I disagree with same-sex marriage.
		I mean, it doesn't affect me and I have no problem saying that because it's my belief and it's my faith and I'm proud of it.
		But I do not think that any religious leader should be forced to wed a gay couple if it goes against their religious beliefs because you're asking them to put their morals to the side, and that's why I like the separation of church and state, but that's one thing that's concerning whenever people are saying that we shouldn't have a separation of church and state.
		I completely agree with the fact that we should never force someone, like a priest or a pastor or any religious figure to marry because that's just, that goes against everything.
		Right.
		I believe marriage in the legality sense is just letting the state know that you're like, more like committing your life to each other.
		But in religious, in Christian, in Christianity, it means a whole lot more.
		It's a lot deeper.
		Right.
		And gay marriage just is not a part of Christianity, it never has been, and it isn't right now, so I just don't see the reason that people are trying to force pastors and priests.
		Yeah, I don't think the government should have a say in who can get married to who, but I also don't think that the government should also have a say in what priests and religious figures are supposed to do in the church either.
		I would say, so this is what I did.
		You know, you hear a bunch of opinions and I'm not discrediting anyone else's opinion.
		You say you're not really well educated.
		I wasn't either.
		Do your own research and then formulate your own opinion.
		I'm pretty, I'm like well-rounded on most things, but the whole political spectrum, it's like there's a million one of political affiliations.
		I don't know what the hell they are.
		So I don't like the basic ones, but I just wanted to ask about paleoconservatism because I had no clue what it was.
		I mean, do you think that your faith leads to a lot of decisions you make politically?
		Okay, when it comes to abortion, as part of it, but most of it, it's not so much my faith, it's so much the research that I've done.
		I haven't been raised in a very political household, so I formulated my opinions myself by research, not by my faith.
		I mean, I just, I, I guess I do a little bit of both, but at the end of the day, my faith takes over my research.
		You know what I mean?
		And if they align, they align.
		But yeah, so that was a good, that was a good question to have someone completely explain, define paleoconservatism.
		Thank you for answering my question.
		I appreciate it.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no problem.
		Hey, also, can we unmute Haley?
		He's a friend of mine.
unidentified		Is that JD?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That is Jaden.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
		They've been trying to get me to unmute him, but who said, hey, Fatty?
		I did.
		I just wanted to say real quick that I'm signing off.
		It's been fun answering questions with you.
		And take it easy, everybody.
		Have a good night.
		See you, Trey.
		See you around, Fatty.
		See you, Lucas.
		Don't let me sneak up in your bedroom at night.
		I'm the boogeyman.
		All right.
		All right.
		Yeah, we're... Oh, where's Haley?
		My thing is...
		Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
		Oh, is this the dude who stream I was looking at?
		Yeah.
		Also, can you unmute Jake Lloyd?
		Jacob Lloyd.
		I'm not going to go through and unmute a bunch of people.
		I'm not even going to lie to you.
		I'm sorry.
		He works for InfoWars.
		He doesn't want to, Jake.
		I can let me let me get a question started and then I'll think about it.
		All right.
		Oh Jesus.
		I'm scared to ask this.
		I'm scared to unmute this dude after it because of his name.
		Well, don't if it's on optical don't do it because I'm streaming.
		Okay.
		Well full send around here these parts boys.
		Let's just say if you say something stupid, I'm gonna mute you and then I will bully you.
		All right.
		Thought Buster.
		That's not bad.
		69.
		What's up?
		Can y'all hear me?
		Yeah.
		All right, dope.
		So thank you for having me on here.
		Thank you for unmuting me.
		So I just recently became pro-life.
		About a month and a half ago, I was a libertarian who was personally pro-life, politically pro-choice.
		But then I started listening to other political people like Nick Fuentes.
		So I'm proud to say I'm pro-life now.
		So thanks, Nick.
		I appreciate that.
		Thank you, I appreciate that.
		My question now is, I'm trying to educate myself on the pro-life movement because I'm proud to say I'm pro-life now.
		I know a lot of people probably agree, like, um, the abortionists, like, assuming that, like, Roe v. Wade gets overturned, and, like, abortion's made illegal, like, assuming that a woman decides to get an abortion, and the abortion is conducted, and the woman is found out, um, I think we all agree that the abortionists should get sent to prison for murder, because, I mean, it's fucking murder, but what should be done with the woman who got the abortion, like, conducted on her?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Jail.
unidentified		you know there's something isn't there a law accessory to murder or something like that yeah yeah i think somewhere along that lines yeah also if it is a rule a law is illegal you uh you're breaking the law so obviously there's gonna be some reprim what Hey, for anyone holding up their, uh, screen up to the, uh, yeah, their phone up to their screen, it's backwards, my guy.
		Just trying to, yeah.
		All right.
		But yeah, no, if you're breaking a law of some sort, I think it could possibly, if it's at that stage, be along the lines of accessory to murder or something like that.
		Yeah, definitely.
		I definitely see where you're coming from.
		I mean, from my perspective, I think the main purpose of the pro-life movement is to convince women and show them why abortion is wrong and why it's morally reprehensible and it's a terrible thing.
		And I think that should be What the pro-life movement should be based on, but I do still think that women should be held accountable.
		So like you said, I definitely think that accessory to murder something like that.
		I think again, the abortion should be like tried for murder, but I'm still I'm trying.
		I'm still trying to educate myself on this kind of stuff.
		So yeah, thank you.
		I actually do have a question about abortion in a situation.
		I don't know about I don't know if it's different for the pro-life movement because I'm really uneducated on the pro-life movement.
		Is there any situation where abortion would be legal?
		I'm always, I'm super confused about that.
		The only exception, I mean for me, the only exception should be when the woman's life is in danger.
		I know some people believe in like the rape exception and the incest exception.
		I don't believe in either of those, okay?
		Just because like, just because something terrible happened to you doesn't make the value of the life inside the womb any less valuable regardless of what happened to you.
		There's still like a life limit given in the womb and the baby's life still matters regardless, so Again, I think the only time abortion should be allowed is when the woman's life is in danger, but I don't think anybody considers that to be abortion, so.
		Okay, thank you.
		Also, real quick, on a side note, it has nothing to do with this.
		Jaden, whoever in your chat called me a fat ass, it's fatty.
		I'm thick with five C's.
		I'm not even watching, chat.
		I apologize.
		They'll be banned.
		They will be banned.
		However is in there.
		Sheriff.
		You hear that, chat?
		You hear that?
		Fatty's going to beat your ass.
		I have a phrase I use quite often and a lot of people know it.
		Look, I kill you.
		I don't care.
		I will go 25 years of life.
		I've lived a good 19 years on this earth.
		I know where I'm going when I die.
		So.
		I'd kill you.
		I don't care.
		All right.
		Is it cool if I ask one more question?
		I know I'm allowed to ask one, but I want to ask a question for Nick.
		So Nick, I started watching your show a few months ago.
		I really like it.
		You're doing good.
		You're doing good stuff, Nick.
		So I like all the work you do.
		Thank you.
		I've been watching some of your debates, and I know you mentioned that in high school, you used to be a libertarian.
		And so I'm kind of curious, like what was like a specific event or like something that pushed you to being from a libertarian to being a paleo conservative?
		Like what made you want to become a paleo?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was sort of a culmination of events during the election.
		But the biggest thing to me is that when I was in high school, I was a libertarian.
		And the reason why is because the economics of it made sense to me, you know, and I still largely believe in a lot of the economic principles.
		And even things like free trade like my understanding of free trade hasn't changed in the sense that you know free trade is going to create like short term benefit or whatever but just looking at it from a different angle about producers and consumption versus production and balance of payments.
		Anyway, so what I always thought, though, when I was libertarian is I could never answer this for myself.
		I would say to myself, why is liberty the highest governing principle?
		You know, I always, like, would say, well, it's about individual liberty, and individual liberty is great because it's maximizing our economic potential, blah, blah, blah.
		But I could never answer for myself morally why liberty was the highest principle.
		And when I got to college, and the more that I saw what was happening with Immigration and voting patterns like I got really into the election and and I don't know if I could go through all of this Quickly, but you know, my first realization was the relationship between media and government I said, you know The media is so controlled and it's so left-wing that no matter who's gonna be president from from the Republican ticket
		Out of all the candidates, they're going to have a really hard time because the media is controlling everything.
		I said so.
		Initially, I went from Ted Cruz, a constitutionalist, to Donald Trump, not even because I like Donald Trump's policies, but because I said he can fight back against the media.
		So there's sort of like this institutional consciousness that, you know, maybe Trump isn't with me on the policies, but he can fight the media and you need that in a president.
		And then I saw the voting patent.
		And I would look at the different states and say, okay, how is Trump going to get to 270?
		What's the map going to look like?
		And I looked at state after state and the problem that I was seeing, it was the demographics.
		You know, I looked at a graphic on poll and it said, here's if only white people voted, here's if only blacks voted, here's if only women voted, et cetera.
		And the only map where Donald Trump is winning is the white man map, not the women map, not the black map, not the whatever.
		And I said, well, I know that the Republican policies are the ones that work.
		Fiscally and every other way, like Democrat policies are insane.
		So the only people that are getting it right are the white people.
		So something has to be done about immigration just for that.
		If we want to fight for life and for our rights and for economic liberty and so on, we need to shut down immigration.
		And then I went to... This is the last thing.
		I went to college and I was just exposed to so many leftists.
		Like I went to this Antifa march the night before the inauguration and there was this huge black block going down the street, smashing cars, like threatening people.
		And just some guy came up to me, I was wearing a MAGA hat, and he said, we're going to like string you up from a lamppost.
		And we almost like got in a big fight.
		And I realized in that moment, just seeing that march and thinking about leftists, It's particularly about women, actually.
		I said, you look at these screaming, banshee, leftist women, and facts and logic aren't going to win these people over.
		You're not going to debate these people out of their positions.
		And Antifa, you're not going to sit them down and explain to them the Laffer Curve and everything.
		At a certain point, these people have to just be put in jail.
		These people that are just going through the streets and destroying stuff, they just have to be arrested.
		My realization fundamentally was, we are not going to win the culture war by having arguments.
		At a certain point, we have to win over enough people that we can gain power, and then use power to achieve our interests.
		And then, you know, those, like, realizations along the way basically just made me very skeptical of the idea of liberty, of democracy, of republicanism.
		It really made more sense to me that we needed politics that's driven by goals and interests than really by principles.
		We want to just, like, make the country good.
		We want people to be virtuous.
		We want them to be safe.
		We want to design a system that is enduring.
		And those objectives, Overriding them all, order being order, they supersede the need for liberty.
		Because if we bank it all on liberty right now, it's all going to go away.
		We won't even live in a safe or a democratic or an equal country.
		We're just going to live in chaos.
		So first you need order, and then comes the other stuff.
		And that was like the realization.
		I know that was kind of long.
		Because I was a serious libertarian.
		All these people that are telling me, I've been watching on TikTok, they're talking about Bastiat and Rousseau and Hobbes and Locke and John Adams and Milton Friedman.
		I've read all that.
		Thomas Sowell.
		I've read all that.
		I've watched all that.
		I'm over it.
		I thought it was the end-all be-all when I was in high school.
		But then, you know, I read more books.
		I read Burke.
		I read Demestra.
		I read, you know, illiberal types.
		And then I came full circle.
unidentified		Thanks, man.
		I appreciate it.
		I'm in my senior year of high school right now, and going into my senior year, I was also a libertarian, but after watching your show, I'm like, you know, I think this guy makes a lot of good points, because I noticed the conservative movement's definitely becoming, like, they're definitely sitting more to the left, you know?
		Because like 10 years ago, gay marriage was a big thing, and now you have people like Charlie Kirk and Rob Smith that are, like, Pro gay marriage and everything and so it definitely made me maybe start thinking and so um I think the thing that I've got the most from your streams are like condoning and platforming degeneracy only breeds further degeneracy and I think that's something something I've learned so I appreciate all the work you do you're doing good stuff so thank you Thank you, man.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate it.
unidentified		Um, I've noticed a few people physically raising their hands for a while.
		Like, Timia and Tori, I don't, I don't, they both have been like raising their hands like physically for like, probably like half an hour or so.
		Yeah, no, I get it.
		So the rule, Timia, I was going to unmute you because I've literally been looking at you raise your hand for the past 30 minutes.
		And I, while it's been entertaining to see the blood Fall out of your fingers.
		I'm going to fix that.
		But the rule of the Zoom is this.
		Raise your hand on the Zoom thing.
		Because like I said, when you're doing this little number right here, it looks like you're doing a Nazi wave.
		And I'm just going to stare at the fingers fall out, or the blood fall out of your fingers for my entertainment.
		So yeah, trust me, I've seen it.
		There's one dude's hand was as white as his shirt.
		All right.
		Is it Timia?
		All right, well.
		Is that how you pronounce your name?
		Maya.
		Okay.
		Well, I don't know.
		I came on the Zoom.
		I'm like kind of freaked out.
		There's a lot of MAGA hats, but I'm gonna tame myself.
		Because obviously you guys are like really, I don't know, I think... Breathe, we ain't gonna kill you.
		Well, I might, but...
		As a, you know, a first generation Jewish daughter of immigrants, yada yada, whole thing, my parents were, yeah, my parents, my dad basically fled communist Hungary to Germany when he was a little kid, and so, you know, I took a few tests recently.
		I took multiple political access tests.
		I took the original one.
		Then I took one, and I got democratic socialism, which, you know, I was a little confused on, because I mean, I didn't really agree with all of Bernie's stuff, and I don't know, I'm just, you know, I'm a centrist on some stuff, and yeah.
		You're not a Barb, are you?
		Oh no, I'm not.
		I'm a barb, but I'm not like the death threat barb.
		I just like Nicki Minaj.
		I don't like Nicki Minaj.
		That's the only thing that makes me a barb.
		Yeah, I know.
		I just like Nicki Minaj, that's it.
		So I took this test, what was like left values, and I got centrist Marxism.
		And I was so scared slash confused because I was like, first of all, my dad's gonna kill me because no, you know, he's been through hell and fricking back.
		But my question for you, Fatty, is like, at what point do you consider, like, the left side to be communist?
		Like, at what degree?
		I mean, you could say Bernie Bros, right?
		You can say it.
		You can say it.
		But like, what, like, specific, you know, morals?
		So, uh, okay.
		So one, let me address something.
		I don't like the political compass test.
		I think people take them and then they let that lead to what they should think.
		That's what this says.
		Like I get so many, I get different things and that might just because they use a lot of large words that I cannot read.
		Um, but, uh, so to answer the actual question, so, okay.
		For me, socialism is the bottom step in the staircase to communism.
		In most countries, you don't see communism.
		You know, they say, oh, well, they're socialists, they're not communists.
		Well, that's because it failed.
		Someone took a step on the bottom step and tripped and fell and busted their face.
		Like it doesn't, you know, so I consider, I consider when you start to get into communism is when you start like, oh, we're going to tiptoe a little bit into, into, into socialism.
		Like we have obviously socialism practices in our government, right?
		We have, you know, social security, social security checks, all that great stuff.
		Just more numbers I got to memorize, but I think communism starts to take birth and is conceived in socialism.
		And then you just go from there.
		So.
		I don't know if that answers your question or not.
		Other people that have different opinions.
	It's just crazy to me and like I don't know I was hearing how um What's his name?
	HW is talking about what makes us American.
	I'm not going to dive back into that at all, but like, I don't know.
	I feel like I'm not a complete, I'm not all for progressive, progressivism or whatever.
	But, um, I do know that like, if you trace any sort of big popular thing back into this country, it's going to go back to, um, immigrants.
	And, you know, You go back to whatever.
	And so, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I just... Yeah, it's the tough thing to say.
	To say people like, I certainly ain't, my family ain't full-fledged American, obviously, and you know, I don't have, I don't have, unlike Elizabeth Warren, who has like, what is it?
	One in three hundred million percent Native American.
	Native American?
	I ain't that, you know what I mean?
	Perfect!
	No, I don't know.
	I just, I don't know.
	I see a lot of assumptions on TikTok about... I just get on TikTok to make kind of funny stuff.
	That's all it really is.
	And hope not to get blocked.
	So... It's nice to see, you know...
	me get people getting along like this especially teenagers i mean i'm like looking at this and it's like MAGA hats and i'm like okay let me ask you this what do you have against MAGA hats let me hear literally nothing literally i mean okay i just feel like it's slightly culty but i don't mean it in a mean way don't yell at me please i'm not gonna say that bernie bros aren't just as culty they are they are i swear to god
	It's like the Bernie bros and the Trump supporters are these cults and they like they're these leaders and they'll just like blindly support this.
	Alright, y'all calm down in Jake's chat now.
	That's a little freaky.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm not.
	I don't want any of that.
	Don't worry about it.
	It's just like, my brain can't calm down.
	You know, I'm a very active policy debater.
	I'm a very active policy debater.
	Yeah, where are my mods?
	Mods?
	Right, I hear you.
	There's just like 300.
	How do we see this chat?
	How do we get to it?
	No, it doesn't matter.
	You don't need to get into it.
	Don't worry.
	I know people are probably saying something.
	No, it's fine.
	Just... I don't really care.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	On the political compass, because it will tell me like I'm like an anarcho-communist.
	I'm like, what?
	Democracy is one of the most important things to me.
	I'm like, what?
	Because all I like...
	I don't know, it's just, I know I researched that past, apparently it's super, it like, will put you three, um, three spots down, and three, like three spots, it's super prone to putting you into the libertarian left square.
	Yeah, of course.
	So it will just like push you down, I guess, um, but I don't know, it's just, I think making any decision politically off of a compass test is just a poor decision.
	I'm not saying that you are, but... It's fun to take.
	It's fun to think about that kind of stuff.
	It's fun to look at.
	It might depress you.
	It might shock you.
	But at the end of the day, it's this stupid little computer thing that has a lot of large words that I cannot read.
	Based.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This guy's based, man.
unidentified		You're based, Fatty.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		I'm a fan of based Fatty.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a fan.
unidentified		I must stan.
		It's hard for me to even consider.
		I don't know.
		I don't really consider myself American.
		I don't know.
		I'm trilingual and like, I just, I feel kind of, and I know a lot of you guys are gonna get mad.
		I know it.
		I know it.
		Cosmopolitan.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		You feel, you feel like a, you feel like an outcast.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you're saying?
unidentified		Yeah, I live in Montana.
		I live in Montana and the fucking- Montana's like, Montana's like, like that's the South but in the North.
		Like how do you not feel American in Montana?
		Oh, it's the same thing in upstate New York.
		It's like basically the Deep South here.
		It's it's very it's very very divided here and I just wish I wish I could say that I feel American but I don't.
		What what do you not feel okay so let me ask you are you do you have any faith of any kind?
		I'm Jewish.
		Okay um yeah I'm not kind of that kind of kind of killed my argument all right so Do you have, do you hold a sense of pride for your country, right?
		Like, do you put, oh my God, I'm going to say it again and everyone in the chat, everyone's going to be freaking out, you're going first, America's best!
		Would you put your country, American, America, would you put America first, right?
		Would you put your country first?
		Would you have pride in your country?
		But like, in what context?
		It depends on what- Are you going to make, would you, would you rather see the health of America come first before any other little country that has like 500 different consonants in it?
		Um, I'd rather that.
		I'd rather the second thing that you said.
		I'd rather... I wouldn't.
		I actually have an I love Israel flag right there.
		I'm I'm yeah I don't I don't want to get into the Israel Palestine thing is so difficult and it's so confusing for me too because I did my freaking I did my trip there for my whatever it's called and um.
		Did you see the tank that was sitting across the river?
		I saw yeah I saw both I went to Gaza I was like.
		It was scary.
		I love Israel with all my heart, but it's scary.
		All of it's scary.
		I don't know what I am.
		Should I consider myself American?
		That's fucking...
		You seem pretty American.
		I don't know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I see where she's coming from.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I completely get it.
unidentified		I guess.
		I understand completely where she's coming from.
		I mean, I guess if you're not American, you can leave.
		I'm playing.
		I'm totally playing.
		Someone's going to clip it.
		It's fine.
		I mean, if Trump wins again, I'm...
		We're too.
		Well, you might as well start buying your tickets.
		I'm going back to my country!
		I'm hungry.
		Should we go to the other girl that's been raising her hand physically?
		I don't know, dude.
		I got 40 different questions here.
		Yeah, well, thank you.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, no problem.
		Okay.
		Yeah, you too.
		All right.
		Okay.
		Bay Area.
		Oh, shoot.
		Bay Area Republican.
		What it do?
		Um, so I just have a few things that I wanted to say before, uh, ask my question.
		The question's really quick, so it's not that big of a deal.
		Um, but in the previous, uh, thing at the beginning, I think when HW started talking, I think about, uh, the Minnesota incident, he was talking about how the immigrants are like pushing for the blue, like pushing for a blue state and like the radical ideas.
		And like, am I right?
		Thumbs up, HW.
		Thumbs down.
		I guess I can unmute you.
		Thumbs up.
		Okay.
		Yeah, that's close.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		So that I was just saying, because I think like what I'm saying is right.
		That, um, a reason that Donald Trump won Florida in the 2016 election is because Cuban immigrants, uh, voted red, which helped him in numbers, gaining those electoral votes.
		There are exceptions to the rules, obviously.
		Cuban- Hold on, HIV, I'll get to you.
		There are exceptions to the rules, you know what I mean?
		Not every immigrant's gonna vote blue, no.
		But do the overwhelming majority do?
		Yes.
		Like, obviously, people from socialist countries that are escaping socialism, I doubt are gonna want to vote for socialist policies again.
		Cubans that have gone through straight-up actual communism aren't probably gonna vote for anything that'll lead them back towards communism again.
		So there are exceptions to the rules, but the vast majority don't.
		HW, what do you want?
		Uh, I mean, I was not giving the thumbs up immediately because it's not specifically that they're going blue.
		In many cases, immigrants do vote blue.
		It's more that they're thinking and voting in their own ethnic interests.
		And that's why a lot of Cubans actually vote conservatively is because we have a special relationship with Cuba and the way we take people who have been like, it's almost like a form of refugee status.
		But, uh, That's all I want to say is that it's not that they're necessarily voting blue.
		It's that they're voting in their ethnic interest and we imported people into Minnesota who are not from Minnesota and have drastically changed Minnesota because of that.
		Oh my God.
		This dude in the waiting room's name.
		Okay.
		All right.
		Sorry.
		But yeah.
		Does that answer your question at all?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Yeah, it does.
	Um, and then, uh, my question, I guess, uh, is I don't think we've talked about it that much about, I guess, the environment.
	Like, uh, what is your idea on like, um, electric cars versus like regular, like gas using cars?
	I don't think you're going to like my opinion.
	I think I will.
	I've never driven an electric car in my life, dog.
	I'd rather walk.
	Neither have we.
	My whole family, never.
	I live in a very liberal area.
	I don't even drive a gas or like, I got a diesel that rolls coal.
	And then my secondary option is a 1981 AM or 1989 AM general Humvee that pumps out diesel as well.
	We're not killing as many of the ozone as, as everyone else.
	Plus I think people, when they talk about like, this is a clean energy deal, you know, environment, like the clean energy solutions tend to damage the environment more.
	Like if you look at the wind turbines.
	They whack out more birds than duck hunters in Arkansas do during duck season.
	It's a weird thing because everyone's like, we need to fix our environment and then they try to fix the environment and it's like picking your scab.
	It's just never gonna heal because you just keep doing stupid stuff to it.
	I think the problem with that is there's people like that they're like I love the environment I'm gonna buy a metal straw and I'm gonna drive an electric car so I think that's the issue with like that's the perception of people that care about the environment when I I did what I could I mean I A dependent, I can't really like change my entire life to be completely environmental friendly.
	So all I could do was stop support.
	I switched to supporting local businesses for my food and that kind of stuff.
	And I think the best solution would just kind of be to try to get larger corporations to transition over to clean energy because I mean more like solar energy, but, um, The problem you run into with solar energy though is you're destroying the environment looking for the batteries for it.
	That's true.
	There's lots of solutions and we haven't really figured out what is going to work the best, but I think we can all acknowledge that we aren't really treating the earth like we should.
	And not even us.
	It's not even America that damages it more.
	No, I mean the human race.
	Like we aren't giving the earth what, like, I mean, I guess.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		China.
unidentified		Yeah, fuck China, right?
		Just kidding, DLive, just kidding.
		Dude, they ate one bat, and I am stuck at home with my brains falling out of my ears.
		Freddie, am I getting this right?
		You live in Louisiana?
		No, no, no, no, no, no.
		I live in, go ahead, dox me, try me, Tennessee.
		Oh, Tennessee.
		Okay, well then you're lucky you're living in One of the states right now who's coming out early, correct?
		I mean, honestly, with a part of Tennessee, you couldn't even tell her the quarantine.
		So, well, I live in California near San Francisco, so I'm in one of the states who probably won't come out of quarantine until 2022.
		So I completely agree.
		22.
		So I completely agree.
		Yeah.
		I think we are, I guess you could say damaging the earth, but everything we do will damage the earth.
		And no one has yet found, I'm just going back to Lucas.
		I'm sorry.
		I completely switched subjects.
		No one has found something that will help the earth rather than actually damage it more.
		So.
		We just gotta, I think we should be investing in research and that's all we can really do at this moment.
		Yeah, I mean, we don't have the money to invest.
		We're currently trying to bail out a bunch of people that are screaming for money and then turn around and spend their stimulus checks on luxury items instead of rent and whatnot.
		So we're so screwed up from the floor up to be honest with you.
		All right.
		Thank you.
		Is that all you had?
		Yeah.
		Appreciate you.
		Thank you.
		All right.
		Tam, Wait, hold on.
		Yeah.
		Tam, you're unmuted.
		Oh, okay.
		Howdy.
		Oh, okay.
		Sorry.
		I'm really like, once I get on here, I get all awkward and stuff.
		But, um, what I want to say was, uh, do you guys agree with military spending?
		Like more military spending?
		Yeah.
		I believe in cutting down on military spending and ending all unnecessary involvement in the regime change wars taking place in the Middle East.
		But I think I'm the minority here.
		We need a strong military because every day- Yeah, we do.
		I just believe in cutting down because we're spending like- Yeah, we're spending like 400 billion like a year.
		700.
		I think it's closer to 700 billion, yeah.
		I think- Yeah, that's like- If you combine the top- out of the top four, the top- the second, third, and fourth, they can't- they aren't even- Like as much as we're spending, it's where I just think it's an unnecessary amount.
		Obviously, I realize that you need a military to defend your country.
		I just don't think we're up.
		We're not in a point where any American is really being directly put in danger.
		Yeah, I'm against the wars but I'm in favor of the spending.
		Yeah, that's what kind of stand on it like we need like we didn't we need it like most of the reason that people don't mess with this is one we have these two great natural borders that come in the form of oceans, and two, because if you try to will literally wipe you off the map.
		at that point it's i wouldn't you'll make your country accept gay marriage humiliation defeat literally like we have but on a real note like you see like north korea is like trying to test like nuclear rockets and then you have like china that has a bunch of nudes and russia like
		if we at this point if we slow our budget down we no longer are like no one's really gonna fear us anymore and and and not in like i'm scared that you're gonna like i'm a fear into trying to not do anything stupid to get their country all to afford so just basic stuff like that but how are we affording this because he cut taxes and then upspending and we're going into even more debt than we started with and yeah
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We should cut other things.
unidentified		Cutting taxes actually can increase revenue.
unidentified		Nick Videos was talking about this, actually, on TikTok.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's called the Laffer Curve.
		He didn't explain it great, in my opinion, but the strategy is, number one, that if you lower the rate, there will be more compliance and people will be more willing to pay a lower rate and not hide their money overseas or in other ways.
		But the other way is that the less taxes there are, in theory, the more investment there is, and the more investment there is, the more taxable income there is.
		You know, you grow the tax base by growing the economy, you grow the economy by freeing up capital for investment and for consumption.
		In theory, it is possible to grow the economy with lower taxes.
		Obviously, we're spending too much money on mandatory spending, which is entitlements like Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid.
		And we're also spending too much on everything else.
		So, what has to be reformed is entitlements.
		Then that's the problem.
		A lot of people say, well, the debt is a problem.
		What's driving the debt is the entitlements.
		Discretionary spending is up to us.
		And moreover, there are ways that you can cut waste and you can kind of mess with that.
		But entitlements, that obligation is going to keep growing every year.
		We're going to be paying for more beneficiaries for Medicare and Social Security in particular every year.
		And people are living longer.
		So, unless and until we raise the retirement age, reduce benefits, or we find another source of tax income, I mean, like, it's just not going to work.
		And that's the problem, is the whole, the fiscal and the monetary situation is just completely unsustainable and unworkable.
		So, but when people try to say, oh, well, if we cut military spending, I mean, the deficits are more than we're increasing military spending by.
		I mean, we would have to, like, halve our military budget, even make a dent in the deficits.
		So I agree with you.
		The spending is out of control and that's a big problem.
		The debt is a big problem.
		But we have to do top to bottom fiscal reform and start with entitlements before we're serious about that.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
		That was great.
		I never thought about that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
unidentified		Yeah, man.
		Good question.
		I think our whole economic system as a whole is we just need to kind of sort out what we're trying to do and What we can deem unnecessary and stop spending and move towards that.
		Yeah.
		We do have a lot to do with money and at this point, The only thing, in my opinion, we back up our talking money with is gold.
		Even though the people say the gold standard, we say we have gold, and then obviously we, you know, if you don't accept our currency, we'll roll 300 M1 Abrams through your face, so.
		Anyway.
		Oh, Jake the Snake.
		Yes, you have your hand raised to heaven.
		What's up, my guy?
		Oh, shoot.
		Oh, please don't tell me you forgot your question, Dawg.
		I honestly did forget.
		I am sorry.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Base Zoomer?
unidentified		Gen Alpha, I think.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, Alpha is after 2010, right?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Gen Alpha, right?
unidentified		Do you have any idea what it was about at all?
		Like, was it directed at somebody?
		Was it a policy question?
		Well, I think he kind of solved it during the military spending thing with when you said like, well, that's why no one messes with us because we spend so much.
		I think I was going to try and butt in with that, but now it's kind of a little late.
		So.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
unidentified		No, yeah, no.
		I mean, I obviously agree with you.
		So there's one quote unquote, I guess you could say influencer, even though your boy is not an influencer whatsoever, but.
		Yeah, thank you for being here.
		Good to start them out young, man.
		So true.
		Conservatism for the win.
		Oh, all right.
		Let's see.
		Morgan, what's going on?
		Yeah, I have two questions.
		Can you hear me?
		Yeah, I can.
		All right.
		First of all, what's a Barb?
		Nicki Minaj stan.
		You ever gone on TikTok and you see these people calling like these folks in sales and then putting like these 300 like they'll put all these lyrics of a Nicki Minaj song with 500 different emojis on them.
		No, I haven't seen that.
		I'm new to TikTok and I'm newer to the political side of TikTok.
		No, it's not even a political side.
		It's, I mean, they've done it.
		They've gone into everything.
		Like I go down in the comic sections, the comic sections, Jesus Christ, comment sections, and then look for like jokes or something.
		And then all I see is like, like these little like emojis and all these lyrics.
		And I'm like, dude, my day has been ruined.
		But yeah, a Barb is someone who like, I guess you could say stands Nicki Minaj, but at the same time has a political agenda for Bernie, which that boy got out the race.
		But yeah.
		Right.
		Thank you.
		And to anybody who can't answer this question, How do I find ways to do real research on the conspiracy theories, like the Adrenochrome Conspiracy Theory or the QAnon Conspiracy Theory?
		Because if you Google this stuff, it just comes up with how it's all false and just a conspiracy theory.
		But I'd like to know their side of the research and what evidence they might have.
		That's what happens when you research a conspiracy theory.
		I'm not a big conspiracy guy.
		I don't really know anything about conspiracy theories at all.
		Just read the Daily Griper.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Jesus Christ.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You gotta scour the internet, man.
		It's tough.
		But, or you just talk to trusted people.
		Like, the way that I found out about conspiracy theories is people tell me, it's sort of like an oral tradition.
		It's kind of like the Talmud.
		It's a lot like the Talmud, which is to say you should Google that and read what's in it.
		But, um, yeah, like people tell me like adrenochrome People in Michigan told me that one.
		You ever heard the one about the wells?
		Do you ever heard the expression poison the well?
unidentified		I mean, I've heard the expression.
		I don't know that.
		Do you know where it comes from?
		No.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		So this is another one that was relayed to me orally.
unidentified		Nick, do you know what fangirls about to enter the chat?
unidentified		Just a warning.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Who's who fangirls?
unidentified		I'll answer this question and I'll see what I can do.
unidentified		See what happens.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So, the phrase poison the well comes from during the Black Plague in medieval times.
		What would happen is that the plague would be spread through the water supply.
		There was suspicion that people were getting sick in the towns and the villages because the water supply was poisoned.
		And who they blamed, and you know, there is evidence for this, who they blamed at the time was Jewish people because they found that the Jewish people in the town were not getting sick.
		And the white people were.
		And in many cases they caught rabbis and other Jewish people poisoning the wells with plague.
		And there's a lot more to it.
		But these are the kinds of theories which you probably can't find them anywhere on the internet.
		Although there are books about them and I've read books about them and there's a lot of evidence for the one I just described.
		I don't even know what that is.
		have to hear them from people you have to join like communities and talk to people because otherwise like adrenochrome how else would you hear about adrenochrome other than alex jones or like someone else telling it to you you know i don't even know what that is adrenochrome is this uh it's like this psychological what is it it's this hallucinogenic drug do i want to know what it is yeah it's derived from people's blood when they have when they experience like an adrenaline rush and like what it does is
		it's 16 times more powerful than dmt Do you know what DMT is?
unidentified		Yeah, I know what that is.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's 16 times more powerful and DMT Do you know about DMT that when people trip on DMT, if they trip together, that they remember the same hallucinations?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They have a shared hallucination?
unidentified		Yeah, I watch Joe Rogan.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But what that means is that they're not, it's not like a normal hallucinogen, it means they're going to another plane.
		And so if adrenochrome is 16 times more powerful, then what we can say is that they are basically communing with
		other entities on a spiritual level and the way that they extract adrenochrome is by torturing people because that's how you extract it is from when people experience trauma when people experience panic the fight-or-flight response so the theory is that the our elites are doing human trafficking so they can harvest adrenochrome and they're basically addicted to getting high on it and communing with evil spirits But that's just a theory.
		That's just a theory.
unidentified		Is it more potent in young children?
unidentified		Just a question.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's all I ever want to hear about that again.
		I'm never gonna look it up.
		To Morgan, if you want some more like memetic stuff, funny stuff, Pantherden has some fun stuff you could watch where it has interesting symbols that make you think.
		When it comes to stuff like the Finders Keepers cult and stuff like that, Mr. Medeker is a good resource.
		He has a lot of like three hour videos where he looks at FBI documents and all sorts of stuff.
		Also, Sharia LaBeouf is pretty good with some Saturn stuff.
		It's a good introduction to learn more about Saturn and demons and all that kind of stuff.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		Okay yeah you're gonna have a much harder time than than you used to finding stuff like that on the internet because it used to be you could just I mean it was just everything was out there you'd go on YouTube.
		When I was 11 years old, I was clicking through YouTube recommended videos, and I was 11 years old.
		And I watched one of Alex Jones' old movies, and that was the first way that I started getting into that stuff.
		So it's a lot easier back then.
		Nowadays, like Nick said, it's pretty much scrubbed from the internet.
		You're not really going to find it anywhere.
		You kind of just have to follow certain people and talk to people and stuff, and then target your searches based on that.
unidentified		It's basically been replaced by a Shane Dawson type of video.
		It's like this surface level conspiracy theory.
		He talked about the Illuminati for the longest time, but no one wants to go into like, who's behind the Illuminati, what it really stands for.
		It's just like this surface level, basically white girl conspiracy theory.
		Holy cow, Alice in Wonderland, we have gone down the rabbit hole full fledged.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Haste.
unidentified		Why is everything based, dawg?
unidentified		Like, I can't... That guy went off on, uh... It's so true, though.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They always do that.
unidentified		Come home, Fatty!
		Come home!
		Your blood remembers, Fatty.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		Come home, Southern man.
unidentified		I see, like, I see, like, these people.
		There's, like, this one guy whose picture says, Love you, Nick.
		Take the mask off my fascist brother.
		Whoa!
		Bruh, bruh.
		That's what it says, dawg.
		Cringe.
		Well, whoever's saying that should be banned.
		So where are the mods?
		I see you all in here, but nobody... Jaden, I'm here.
		I can't be modding.
		Let's see.
		Let me move.
		Let's move.
		Thank you, Morgan, for the question.
		I like your hair.
		Thank you.
		I just got a DM on Instagram from KP the Patriot.
		Yeah.
		She said, I don't know if this is you or who is on the Zoom or not, but I was wondering if there was any way I could be unmuted for the remainder of the Zoom.
		I have a lot.
		I would like to contribute to some of the discussions.
		If not, it's totally okay.
		Let me vibe check her.
		Yeah.
		Are you from the South?
		I'm originally from the South.
		I'm from Winnie, Texas, but I had to move to California because my dad went into the military.
		Okay, well that's a pass.
		Do you hunt?
		Yes.
		What do you hunt?
		Deer, and I'm getting my turkey tag soon, so I have my deer picture right there if you can't see it.
		What do you hunt the deer with?
		260.
		It's a Tikka T3 260 Remington.
		Okay, barely.
		All right, barely.
		One time I went hunting with my dad and I think that's what sprouted all my mental health issues.
		What?
		That's about it.
		I'm not going to unpack that one.
		That was really okay.
		We're going to keep that box.
		We're going to keep that box all nice and taped up right here.
		All right.
		Hobo, sure.
		I'm not going to try and pronounce that first name if it unbeats him.
		Yo, Thaddeus, can you hear me right now?
		Yeah, I can.
		My hyperborean brother, how are you, my man?
		Well, unfortunately, Bhakti, my Indo-European brother, left, but I guess I wanted to bring up some stuff, you know, the whole socialism shit.
		A lot of the times, you know, these conservative ink types will use the word socialism to fearmonger for more, you know, libertarian economic stuff.
		I'll get into the immigration part of it later, really quickly.
		I'm not going to say anything about it.
		Essentially, the whole welfare state thing, which people consider socialist, isn't really socialist.
		It's social democrat.
		And the reason why I think that's poignant is because the actual socialist aspect of it, the communists, right?
		Like if you go on LeftyPoll, they hate the soc-dems, the social democrats, because by offering up a welfare state, you actually Take people away from these fringe ideologies like communism.
		That's what Otto von Bismarck did sort of in a proto fashion where he had a... He provided state services and stuff for the workers so that they can move away from the socialist parties and move more towards German nationalism, unification, stuff like that.
		But anyway, to get to the less nerdy stuff, the...
		The immigration argument about my GDP going up because of immigration, that's actually false.
		There was a Harvard study about it by a guy named Borjas, who's from Cuba, found that of the, I think, 1.7 trillion dollars that GDP increases, so it's a lot due to immigration, but here's the thing, 1.6 trillion, 97.8% of it goes back to the immigrants, right?
		Pretty much all of it just goes back to them in the form of wages or, you know, profits from their little shops they've got.
	And the rest 2.2% goes back to the, you know, business owners that are making money from hiring them.
	Now the actual costs of immigration is just getting more competition for jobs.
	It's not a good trade.
	You know, you have, as it's pretty common sense, you have more demand for a job, it's going to be easier to suppress wages for it.
	And what my man Bhakti was saying about, oh, actually jobs open up because of it.
	I hate to attack him while he's gone, but you know, I wanted to bring up a salient point.
	That's again, not true.
	Proportionally speaking, American workers do move more towards managerial roles during waves of immigration because That's where they tend to cluster, right?
	Like, you're going to hire an American to be an overseer for a bunch of farm workers because he's the only one who can speak English, right?
	Let's be honest.
	And again, they're also been proven to be more efficient workers.
	So yes, you have a proportional shift towards the managerial roles, but we're still losing the jobs at the end of the day.
	It's not like there's new jobs coming in.
	No, we're just moving into different jobs.
	We're losing the old jobs and the wages for those are being suppressed.
	And about the whole civilizational argument about Sub-Saharan Africa, Bhapti also did bring up about how there was great trade with India and China.
	That's a problem.
	The East African coast is pretty much colonized by either the Abyssinian peoples, which aren't really Sub-Saharan African at all, or Arabs.
	For example, the country of Zanzibar, it comes from the word Zanjibazar, which means shop of the blacks.
	That's where you sold slaves.
	And the reason you had all that trade was because you had moguls and Chinese and others and Portuguese, too, trading on those eastern ports.
	So that's where you get all those sort of civilizational achievements from.
	The actual heart of Africa, the jungle dense part where all the weird shit's happening right now.
	Not exactly, you know, tip top, civilizationally speaking.
	I guess, you know, you could there's an excuse for that is because of the isolation they faced.
	I'm willing to give that some credence, I guess, mostly because I don't know the entire part of it.
	But like West Africa, which had plenty of contact with the outside world.
	I mean, you know, you don't see West Africa writing the Vedas and the Upanishads or like the Odyssey, do you?
	Right.
	Even though there's like, you know, people talk about Mansa Musa.
	how he destroyed the economy of Egypt Egypt and Italy due to how rich he was.
	Yeah, you're rich, sure.
	I mean, the Aztecs were literally swimming in gold and shit, but in fact, the matter is being rich doesn't necessarily show civilizational prowess.
	I mean, they had complex societies, but it's not really exactly, you know, a Garthiteer society or anything like that.
	But outside of that, yeah, I mean, I just, I just request you to not mute me because I think I have some salient points, but I'll mostly keep quiet.
	Is that a question?
	I'm really confused what you're trying to get at.
	I'm not going to unmute anymore, but dog, holy cow.
	I just started college, my guy!
	Whoa!
	Yeah, I'm actually a freshman in college, too.
	I just graduated.
	Wow, you're a genius.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for making everybody in your field not as smart as they probably thought they were.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The Borjas number is $2.1 trillion increase in GDP.
unidentified		Oh, my bad.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Not one point, it's 2.1.
unidentified		And of that, 2.05 goes to the immigrants.
		Thank you for making everyone feel less smarter.
		Yeah, I feel super dumb right now.
		I do too.
		I just started college and I feel like I know at least that much.
		We'll all bow down to Esoteric Oboe, our thought leader.
		No, I don't, I don't bow, Fatty Bow is a no man, except for God.
		Based?
		Based, based.
		Come on, Fatty, come on.
		So was there, was there no question in there, or?
		No, I just wanted to, I wanted to debate Bhakti and stuff, but unfortunately he left.
		Both of y'all know a lot of big words, and I don't know any big words except for supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, which isn't- Yeah, no, um, Patty, that's about it.
		You should come home, man.
		You know, read Evelyn and shit.
		You'd love that guy.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, Evelyn's cringe, bro.
unidentified		Nah, that's coke.
		That's coke.
		I'm sitting at home, dog, right now.
		I am home.
		I don't know what you mean.
		Nah, nah, come home, bro.
		Come over to the Groypers and shit.
		My god.
		You're not making a good case for me, Gary.
		I'm sorry!
		Yeah, am I right?
		You're good, bro.
		I like you.
		Yeah, yeah.
		So, do you smoke?
		I'm asking.
		No, I don't.
		I just have, I've been diagnosed with autism.
		Sick.
		I could have made that diagnosis.
		Just kidding!
		That's a joke.
		It's good.
		It's good, man.
		It's good.
		All right.
		Let's move on, I guess.
		Use my perception of reality now.
		Okay.
		Panfusa, what's up?
		Please use little words.
		He was on my Zoom the other day.
		I remember you.
		Oh, wait.
		You have a Zoom?
		Oh, wait.
		Do you have a following?
		Somewhat I have like I have 14k on tik-tok.
		All right.
		Thanks for flexing on me.
		All right, um I wish I was allowed on that app.
		That'd be pretty uh Going up twice Two and three quarters I don't know what comes after two.
		All right.
		Good talk my guy.
		You probably fell asleep.
		All right.
		Um Mick what do you want?
		I was just going to ask a question.
		You can unmute me.
		You can mute me again if you want.
		Okay.
		Alright, what's your question?
		I was going to ask to Nick and Jayden.
		You know, we've seen with the Groyper Awards coming in and showing face in the neoconservative areas.
		How do you think we can do that and, you know, have political influence in, like, actual party politics when, you know, the main conservative parties are run by neocons?
		Well, your hat's in my zone, so keep it brief.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		That is a difficult question because it's going to take a long time.
		I mean, you've seen people try to go in overtly and directly, like James Alsup, And he just got, like, torched.
		So, what I've advised my viewers to do is to basically just infiltrate the party.
		Just lie.
		And play your cards close to your chest.
		Keep your cards close to your chest.
		Don't reveal your power level.
		And infiltrate.
		Because right now, what we're seeing is that a fine distinction is being made between establishment and non-establishment.
		That was kind of like what Groper Wars was about.
		It was about forcing the issue.
		And people had to explicitly take An anti-America First position to be in the establishment, and vice versa.
		You know, all the Groyper sympathizers got fired from Turning Point.
		So, what's happened now is that if you set off any alarm bells or red flags that you're not on board with the system, they will make everyone aware of that, they will exile you, they will blacklist you.
		I've seen it happen to a lot of my friends actually, Scott Greer being one, other people who work at Daily Caller, people who work in Congress.
		I've known a lot of people like this.
		So at least for now in the short term to get in politics, you literally just have to infiltrate and maybe in 10 years when the landscape changes and we have a ton of people in there, then we can reveal the power levels and we could change our strategy.
		But for now, you're right.
		The parties are controlled by neocons.
		So any kind of bottom up reform, they're going to see coming a mile away if we do it overtly.
		So that's why I just tell people sneak in there, slip in there.
unidentified		And that's how to do it.
		Are we in Yu-Gi-Oh?
		I'm so confused.
		Power level is like... I'm seeing optical, I'm seeing power levels.
		Someone wants me to speak... I don't know what my life... Compliments.
		Yeah, you'll learn.
		When you come home, you'll learn.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You'll learn, you'll learn.
unidentified		You'll learn.
		By the way, did you listen to me when I told you the other day to watch America First?
		Did you do it?
		I missed the show, I think.
		I don't know, I looked it up.
		Bro, you know- And it'd be like, based on what?
		Bro, look, I got a life, dog.
		Like, you know, I got homework, tobacco to chew, you know?
		Like, come on, man.
		No.
		It's okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You'll get there in time.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We'll support you.
unidentified		You'll become addicted!
unidentified		I had two finals today, I still watch the show.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Based?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Loyal viewer.
unidentified		Loyal viewer.
unidentified		Nick, do you recognize who I am?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I know you are.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I know you are.
unidentified		He's fighting wooden guns around.
		I'm about to pull a real gun.
		It's a toy.
		Hang on.
		Okay.
		Tori, what's up?
		God, you are such a fucking ting.
		I've been sitting here for- Oh, sorry.
		Can I not cuss on this?
		No, it's cool.
		Wait, what'd you say?
		I'm such a what?
		I came from meeting me.
		I've been like... I'm sorry.
		There's so many.
		There's such a big list.
		I just want to talk to Nick.
		Oh, hi.
		I have some questions for you, buddy.
		Oh, buddy.
		Oh, that was rude.
		I don't mean to be rude.
		We're general friends.
		Don't worry.
		We're from the South.
		We are all hospitable here.
		What did you say?
		I said we're from the South.
		We are all hospitable here.
		Oh, I didn't know you fucking... I can't cuss.
		I don't care.
		I don't know.
		What if there's like people... Spit it out!
		Sorry!
		Question for you, Nick.
		Do you think that there's racial profiling in the criminal justice system?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		To what extent?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You want like a percentage?
unidentified		No, I want to hear what you think.
unidentified		Why is it so economic status or just oppression of the race over the years?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, to me, I think that police and law enforcement go where the crime is, and we know where the crime is.
		We know what neighborhoods, and I don't think that's strictly a socioeconomic thing.
		I think it is predominantly a racial thing.
		So, I would say that, you know, because people like to bring up racial profiling as an example of why law enforcement is unjust.
		I think that it's just an example of law enforcement being efficient because, I mean, it's sort of like with terrorism.
		Like, of course, we should racial profile terrorists because, you know, who are going to be the terrorists?
		It's generally going to be Islamic terrorism and it's going to be You know, not like there's no white Muslims, but generally they're going to be Arab, right, or West Asian or South Asian, something like that.
		So I think that racial profiling is basically backed up by statistics, and it's really more about economy of information.
		You can't arrest everybody and find all crime everywhere, but you can go to where most of the crime is, and you can find most of the crime based on statistics.
unidentified		All right, Tori.
		Your face obviously said that you probably didn't agree with a lot of things that were said.
		Oh, no.
		Okay.
		I agree with you need to go.
		Law enforcement needs to go where there's crime.
		And in poor areas, there's going to be higher crime.
		And it's normally... Not just poor.
		Here we go!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And black, generally.
		I mean, like Chicago.
		Take Chicago, for example.
		Where's the crime in Chicago?
unidentified		South Side?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The South Side!
		Englewood, McKinley Park, Garfield Park.
		I mean, these are... I drove through Garfield Park.
		The shooting rate is 450 per 100,000.
		And it is mostly black.
unidentified		Wait, can I jump back on your terrorist thing?
		Like, do you think terrorists are only, like, the Islamic terrorist groups?
		Like, you know, there's other... I didn't say they were only... I didn't say you'd be quiet, Hobo.
		I didn't expect for you to belch in the mic.
		My bad, my bad.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		The top four terrorist groups by body count are Muslim.
unidentified		No, no, no, for sure.
		I didn't know if, like, you actually thought that there was no more.
		I was just like... Is that taken into account, like, is that just nationally or is that internationally?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		International.
		It's Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Al-Shabaab, and Boko Haram.
		And then the fifth is a large resistance army.
unidentified		And then, so they, most of those things believe, and that's not saying all Muslims are terrorists, but most of those all have another pillar of faith called, what is it, I mean, Jihad, right?
		Something like that, yeah.
		If you are, if, well, no, but they've, yes, but they've added a different part.
		Yeah, for sure.
		There's five pillars of faith and a sixth, Jihad.
		Basically, if you're deemed an infidel, me, anyone else that doesn't believe in their faith, if you're not willing to convert, then you're not worth being here, so...
		By any means necessary.
		If not, there's also just some really evil people.
		For instance, Boko Haram is really evil.
		Everybody, the Muslims in that aren't for Boko Haram in those areas will literally call them devils.
		So it's not just, it's not saying like, dude, all Middle Eastern people are terrorists.
		No, but the people that believe in jihad are more likely to do it.
		Okay, back to my buddy Nick.
		I can't call you buddy because I feel like I'm being rude.
		I'm not trying to be rude.
		I just can't address people that are older than me, like in a normal way.
		Okay, that got creepy real fast.
		All right.
		What?
		I'm like literally, I don't know.
		What am I supposed to call you?
		Mr. Fuentes dog?
		I'm like, I don't know.
		Call me buddy.
		What do you think that we could do to try to stop like this crime in this black area that's happening so much like what things should be put in place.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We should basically just have like a police state like I really liked when Donald Trump said that he was going to send the military to occupy Chicago because that that is just frankly what is called for I think that I.
		I mean, in every neighborhood where this is the case, Baltimore, LA, Chicago, New York, New Orleans, you know, certain neighborhoods and people have just proven that they are not governable under the existing regime, under the existing laws.
		And so we just have to transition to a system that is more workable.
		I mean, you see some of these Chicago public schools, and I see a lot of these videos on like WorldStarHipHop, I mean, that is a microcosm and representative of what is happening on a broader level, which is to say that, I mean, they are allowed all these liberties and what do they do with them?
		you've got students that are punching each other and flipping stuff over.
		And this is like, essentially, I mean, that is a microcosm and representative of what is happening on a broader level, which is to say that, I mean, they're allowed all these liberties and what do they do with them?
		So I think that for the benefit of the people there and for everybody else, there just needs to be an occupation and there just needs to be like draconian laws.
		And we need to take the people that are committing the crimes and put them in And a lot of people see that as a problem that needs to be remedied.
		They say the problem is not the crimes that are being committed, it's the people being locked up for the crimes.
		They call it mass incarceration.
		But it's mass incarceration because it's mass crime.
		And I would rather the people committing the crimes be in jail than on the street.
		I'd rather, you know, have them over there behind walls than see them when I get out on an exit on Sacramento Avenue, you know, in Chicago.
		So that's what I feel about it, is there just needs to be commensurate government to the level of instability.
unidentified		Okay, so you don't believe in, like, okay, you believe in mass... I'm not gonna say what you believe in mass incarceration.
		I'm just, like, thinking about what you said.
		But you're saying that there's all these fights and all this stuff.
		How would a military going in... No, don't get me wrong.
		I think extra enforcement, like police enforcement, extra protection in Chicago would be extremely helpful because there is a lot of crime and that's a huge problem in America right now.
		And I don't get how the military would I don't inform or educate the kids what not to do after seeing generations of generations of, I do this, this, and this.
		I'm going to be like everybody else in the neighborhood and I'm going to be, like, I feel like there's no educational value in sending military there instead of trying to, like, rehabilitation of stuff like that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I just don't really believe in education as a solution.
		I mean, maybe the long-term solution for that instability is to build up, you know, good habits and good traditions and rebuild the family and restore religiosity.
		Those are the real antidotes to crime, is strong families with a mother and a father, married.
		That's the other problem with blacks, is their out-of-wedlock birth rate is 70%.
		So, I mean, people don't really think about what that means.
		It means that Only 30% if you meet a black person, 3 out of 10 of them will have their parents married when they were born.
		And that means everybody else, that means they don't have a father in the home or the parents are separated, right?
		And if you are not being raised by a father and a mother, particularly if you don't have a father, the rate at which you're going to commit crime is worse.
		Blacks are already predisposed, I believe, to commit more crime and we went over this last week.
		But then you add to that these cultural factors and these other factors and it exacerbates the problem.
		What's happening right now is that it's just anarchy.
		It's lawlessness.
		And this is only compounded by the fact that you've got political correctness now.
		And I, by the way, you know, I live in the suburbs.
		My parents are born and raised in the city, so they know Chicago cops.
		And they'll tell you that cops don't even want to police these areas anymore because they know that if they shoot the wrong kid, then they're going to end up on the news and the city's going to get burned down and everything.
		You know, they're going to be like Darren Wilson or George Zimmerman.
		So they don't even bother anymore.
		But, I mean, who loses out in the end?
		It's Blacks, because they're not going to go in and enforce laws because they know that if they, you know, cross the line, and this tends to happen in any war zone or any, you know, crime situation, that they can end up on the news and they can end up with their house surrounded or whatever.
		You know, Michael Brown tried to steal a cop's gun.
		Cop kills him.
		Now this cop is infamous, right, in the city.
		He has to, like, flee the town and he's on trial.
		So they say, you know what?
		To hell with them.
		So what we need, at least for the moment, is to restore order.
		Before we can talk about education and all that, we have to restore order.
		And order is restored by force.
		These are gangs, these are violent people, and the only way to match them is with force and make them afraid.
		And making them afraid means you can't be politically correct.
		It means you can't be afraid of Black Lives Matter.
		You know, saying, oh, you know, you shot somebody.
		Here's the thing.
		You got criminals everywhere.
		You've got gang members everywhere.
		And everybody that ends up dead is somebody that was trying to get their life back on track.
		They were a good kid.
		They had straight A's in school and blah, blah, blah.
		And, you know, down to a man, they're all in gangs.
		You know, they're either people that got killed as a bystander or they were in gangs.
		And so, you know, you almost miss the distinction.
		So at a certain point, it just has to be curfews and military on the streets and soldiers on every corner.
		And if you have a gun, like, we're going to frisk you.
		We're going to stop you.
		We're going to frisk you.
		We're going to throw you in jail.
		And if you shoot somebody, you know, we're going to shoot back.
		And like, that's the way you restore order.
		And then you can worry about rehabilitating the law.
unidentified		Isn't that education?
		Like, I don't get, wouldn't you want to?
		Promote education the whole like we're gonna stop all this gang violence.
		We're gonna stop all this mass like Criminal activity happening in the Chicago area, especially in juveniles.
		Like, wouldn't you want to give them a home?
		And you were saying about the whole family situation.
		The parents being in a home is a major problem.
		But doesn't that also have to do with, like, how it's been for so many years in those areas?
		So wouldn't you want to educate and try to predispose people?
		The predisposal of that, saying that you can get out of here, you can do better.
		Wouldn't you want to educate them instead of putting soldiers on every single corner of the street, acting like they're criminals in their own country and they can't be free like anyone else?
		Just because they're socio-economical keeps them there, even though they did nothing?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's not their socio-economics.
		Why do you think those neighborhoods are bad?
		It's because the people in them are bad.
unidentified		It's not like they're necessarily bad.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They have accepted a standard of living.
		I mean, and all these people know, and this is just irresponsibility on the part of the parents, and it is a failure for the generations to rise above.
		They have proven that they're ungovernable, and it's like this in every city, and it's been like this for decades, and the public schools suck as it is.
		I mean, they can't educate people that are ready to learn and have good parents and are involved in the community and everything.
		Let alone people that are actively resisting it and violent and so on.
		And the public schools only do so much.
		You go to school and then you go home.
		And you go home and you go in on the block.
		You go on the block with all the people on the block and you hang around all the others.
		And it has created this vicious cycle that must first be broken by Restoring order so that kids can go to school safely.
		And first we establish safety.
		We establish law and order.
		And then once that happens, we can proceed from there.
		And we could talk about investment in charter schools and, you know, opportunities with that.
		But the problem now is, you know, kids are trying to get to school and they get shot.
		And kids are coming home from school, and they're being brought up in gangs, you know, and they're being brought up in gangs on the alleys.
		And so, you know, this idea that we can only do these, like, very liberal, like, smart solutions, it just hasn't worked.
		And these people are people that, you know, try going to the South Side and you see them hanging out at the gas station, you see them loitering by the liquor store, whatever.
		You know, try going up to these people with a textbook and saying, don't you know that you could get a scholarship and work in an office?
		I mean, the only paths out that they see are, like, basketball and rap.
unidentified		Teach them, teach them someone to look up to.
unidentified		There needs to be role models, obviously.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Like Michael Jordan.
unidentified		You literally just proved yourself, you just proved it that they have no one to look up to.
		Their parents are crappy, their schools are crappy, they have no one to show, no one's showing them a good way to live their life.
		So they're being brought up and they're just assuming my only way, I have to protect myself, I can't rely on the system, I can't rely on the police because I'm being told that a cab that kind of stuff so I need to defend myself I need to join a gang and I need to have kids left and right and then just leave them see what Lucas sorry go on I wanted to pause real quick and just bring up the point that this man is gone.
		It's time he's done that.
		All right, moving on.
		I just don't understand.
		You're saying the best way to handle this is a police state, but that would just create more of a barrier.
		That would create more of a barrier against the people Well, Lucas, they tend to have lots of weblock in marriages, even in Africa, even in these traditional societies, I guess, traditions.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe it's genetic?
unidentified		Well, I mean, it's not really, it could be social, what's that word?
		A majority of Africa is in extreme poverty.
		Well, I mean, poverty doesn't necessarily mean you break apart your, in fact, poverty usually means you're backwards socially, at least according to Westerners, and you'd rather be in those supposedly backwards Gender relationships, you know, where you have, you know, the extended family or the nuclear family.
		Here's the bottom line.
		The innocent person and the society as a whole should not play, should not be a victim just because there are certain people that we could spend a lot of time and energy and fail at taking them by the hand and teaching them this is how you act in a civilized society.
		It's not and don't the hundreds of millions of people in America who have done nothing wrong should not be the victim.
		Just because we think we should be nice to these people who commit crimes.
		But you just, we're talking about the well-being of the kids being brought up into these communities of people that are committing crimes.
		So if you, you can complain all about, oh my gosh, what are we going to, these people, we should just leave them and let them fend for themselves.
		Obviously you don't care about the well-being of the children.
		I care, no, hold on.
		I care about the well-being of children, but let me, let me ask, let me propose you this, Lucas.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I would like you to go down to a place where I live called Orange Mound.
		It is in Memphis.
		I would like you to go down to the block and try any, any, any corner, any corner store, whatever.
		I'd like you to go down there and talk to one of them and say, look, I want to help your kids out.
		First of all, I'd like to make, I'd like to see you walk.
		They wouldn't bug you.
		You'd come to them and be like, we want to break down barriers.
		They wouldn't bug you.
		Saying that Lucas could not go down to this place in Memphis, Tennessee and ask to help them.
		Like that's a barrier that's so scary in America right now that we have that.
		So why aren't we trying to fix that instead of putting a soldier on the corner?
		Because they'll shoot you.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		They'll shoot you on the corner.
unidentified		I think it took a teenager in 2020 to realize this.
		People have tried and it hasn't worked.
		No, no, no.
		Look, let me explain this.
		And this isn't saying we're going to criminalize, like, I'm not, Oh, I don't know what they're trying to say.
		I'm not saying all blacks are criminals.
		Is the percentage of which they commit crimes higher than most other races?
		Yes.
		Wow.
		I've grown up.
		What are you talking about?
		Which type?
		Talking drugs?
		Because I can go on those with you.
		You want to bring up some enemy crimes?
		Let me say this.
		No, you're right.
		No, no, no.
		You're right.
		Okay.
		So If you're in a majority white community, what do you think the majority of the crime by race is going to be?
		White?
		You're going to be in a majority Hispanic community, what do you think the most crime rate is going to be?
		On average, it's going to be very Hispanic.
		But when you have a percent of the population, we have a percent of a population that commits more crimes on average than anyone else, and I'm not saying they're all bad.
		Like, you know, my third, like, non-bio, a kid I literally grew up from, from a dirt floor to a house now, right?
		He's black.
		So I'm not definitely saying, I'm definitely not saying, and that's not like some, ooh, I have a black friend token.
		Like, I'm not saying they're all bad.
		But the rate is higher.
		I have literally held my friends in my arms.
		I watched the life leave his eyes because the dude, we got caught in the drive-by.
		Now, let me explain something to you.
		He wasn't even the target.
		It was the house right next door.
		You know what the guy said?
		Because we knew it was an intergang thing.
		You know what the guy said?
		Well, oh, well, he got past his initiation anyway.
		The care for human life is not there.
		Exactly.
		That's what we need.
		Okay, so you think they're going to care about you going down there and help them?
		No.
		Because I don't run your pockets for everything they got.
		And that's not just on black communities.
		When I'm a teenage unarmed white boy, I'm We need to figure, the problem is, I'm not saying- But you're even more likely to get blasted.
		But I'm just, I'm arguing that what we need to be focused on is raising the young, the youth in these communities and showing them that there's a way to live a better, more substantial, more enjoyable life.
		Because if you're just gonna complain about the crime they commit and then do nothing for the kids that are just gonna be brought up and told- We're gonna do something.
		Can I, can I add something?
		We're gonna put tanks on the streets.
		Alright, so Tori brought up education, which I mean that could succeed, that could fail.
		Like an example is like schools with sex education, which some people argue is the sex education is not very good.
		But schools teach that if you have unprotected sex, you can get pregnant.
		But if you have protected sex, it lessens the odds of you getting pregnant.
		No, they teach abstinence.
		My point being that you can educate and you can teach kids all of these things, but at the end of the day, it is their choice.
		They're either going to choose to do the right thing or they're going to choose to do the bad thing.
		So whether or not you educate someone or not, they're going to choose what they want to do.
		And most people that are in gangs, they don't They aren't forced to be in gangs.
		They choose to be.
		They are.
		They literally are.
		Let me talk.
	Because they believe it's the only way of life to be able to make money, to be able to be supported by people.
	That's what they think.
	It is a choice.
	It is not.
	If you don't think it's a choice, I would advise you to go watch, there's a YouTube channel.
	No, it's not a choice.
	Okay, I can agree with you.
	Hold on, no, let me finish my point.
	She's off.
	Go on, y'all.
	I'll let y'all finish.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Let me finish talking.
unidentified		I've lived this life.
		I might be this white country kid, but trust me, I know more about this than probably half of y'all ever will.
		I hope you don't ever know about it.
		Alright, but look, I will implore you to go and watch a video by a YouTube channel called Jubilee.
		They make something called Middle Ground.
		They have a, they literally, just look up Jubilee Middle Ground Gang.
		I watched that, yes.
		Yeah, you know what they said back then?
		Yeah, it wasn't a choice.
		Now it is a choice.
		And it is a choice if you want to get affiliated or not.
		Trust me, I know, I know friends, I have friends that are affiliated.
		I have friends that have chosen not to be affiliated.
		And they're not, they're, it's, they're not pressed gang game to it.
		Most of them feel an obligation.
		When multiple of their family members or friends are there, they're like, I feel obligated to do that.
		That's not forced.
		That's still a choice.
		No, I'm not, I'm not arguing that they're literally being forced into a game.
		I'm arguing that they're growing up in an environment where there's literally no other choice.
		They don't know of another choice.
		We need to educate them on the other choice.
		We have dumped millions and millions of dollars into social programs, but they reject our help.
		In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, there are 3rd and 4th graders who cannot read.
		In 4th grade, I was reading huge books, but they don't have any reading skills at all.
		And they don't even accept any help even though they've been given millions of dollars many times.
		Do you feel good if you were in um like a less like a poorer community and this government this these programs showed up and they were just like yeah we're gonna Teach you all this stuff.
		You're gonna immediately feel defensive because you're you feel less than you feel.
		What is your solution?
		That's not necessarily true.
		You can choose to be the victim.
		You can choose to be the victor.
		You can choose to rise above.
		Yeah, just go to the Black Leadership Summit.
		That's what I would do.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go to the class of black kids.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You can be a victim or a victor.
unidentified		And they're going to say, I want to work hard every day and make minimum wage.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I used to work at UPS and like the two, and I'm just saying, I worked with a black supervisor And I had a partner who was black.
		We would unload the trailers together, and both of them said they were involved in gang activity.
		Like, on the training day, the one was like, hey, yo, you gang bang?
		And he was like, yeah, gang bang.
		And they're like, yeah.
		Like, what are the odds?
		Two people working at UPS.
		And they're like, yeah, yeah, we're both gang banging.
		Lucas.
		And the turnover rate there.
		was so high and it was because people come to this job and they say oh yeah fuck this i'm gonna get my bonus i'm gonna be a seasonal worker i'll get my i'll get my little money and then i'm gonna go back and do what's easy and it's easy to pull a trigger and it's easy to uh you know sell drugs and choose that path and i think that's why they choose lucas we have to send the military on the Checkpoints, soldiers, and fuck all this understanding stuff.
unidentified		We need order.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Order above all else.
unidentified		I don't agree with the protests going on currently of quarantine, correct?
		Let Fadi talk.
		Fadi has something to say, I'm sorry.
		Tori, Tori's been trying to say something.
		Tori, what's up?
		Thanks!
		Okay, so I totally agree that being in a gang is 100% your choice.
		It is.
		You physically saying, I'm going to affiliate with this gang, I'm going to physically do this.
		There's no way around that. 100%.
		But I feel like there's a lot of misrepresentation, like we said, with Nick smiling at me.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I can't react.
unidentified		Huh?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I can't physically react.
unidentified		No, it's OK.
		I don't know.
		I was just watching.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I have to keep a straight face.
unidentified		He got into Zoom the last week when I first met this man.
		And I still don't agree with everything he says, but this man literally will smile at you for no apparent reason.
		It's OK.
		I make facial expressions, too.
		I'm so mean.
		I feel like I'm being mean.
		OK, back to what I was saying.
		I'm the meanest person you'll ever meet, so, yeah.
		But, like, okay, I can agree with the order, I think, on some extent, with an ad of aggregation, but I don't feel like there needs to be a whole entire military presence, because I feel like it's almost like Lucas, Tori, you both have a very noble thing in mind.
		There are these people in our country who didn't choose to be in a rough situation and you think we should take care of them.
		And I think that's a good position to have in general.
		I think it shows high moral standing.
		But you've repeatedly said, Lucas, you said this specifically, that money is not the solution to all these problems.
		But then you turn and call us, like, authoritarians and theocrats, when the only solution is to get people to go to church, to stay married, to raise their kids, and to work hard.
		And then when we suggest this as a solution, you call us theocrats or fascists or authoritarians.
		So you can pick your choice.
		You can keep throwing money, which you admit doesn't work, at communities that don't appreciate it, or we can give them the church, which is not only a physical helpful, but also leads to salvation.
		I think that's totally, I totally think about higher powers.
		I would not exactly go into church because there's so many realms, but I think of looking up to a higher power, whether that's Christianity, Judaism, Christianity for HW.
		He loves it, I think.
		Okay.
		But like, fuck it, if you want Lizzo to be your higher power, and you think she's going to help you, like... There's nothing in this room positive or lie about being a higher power without breaking.
		I just have a quick question.
		Lizzo.
		You just said that I have a high moral standpoint, correct?
		I think that position is a good moral standpoint, right?
		You don't want to leave people behind.
		I'm not Christian.
		Sure.
		- I'm not Christian. - Sure. - So how does that work at all?
		Goodbye.
		Having one position that's moral doesn't automatically undo all the advantages of being Christian.
		What of my other positions are immoral then?
		I don't know.
		It seems like you want to sell out the country to anyone.
		You're like, anyone can be an American.
		All you have to do is come here.
		Your mother has to give birth.
		Did I say that at all?
		You kind of did, yeah.
		I said what it takes to be an American is to love the country.
		Uh, no, I think I was saying that, that you should respect the culture and the nation.
		And you were saying that, like, legally, if someone's an American, they're an American.
		People used to think you needed to be Christian and straight and adapt to everything.
		I didn't say straight, but I did say Christian.
		And speak English and do all this stuff that- Yes.
		I think you have to be straight.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		America is not a gay nation.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		America is a heterosexual nation.
unidentified		If you don't want gay sex in every country, Israel.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Israel.
		Israel.
		You want to be gay.
unidentified		Go to Israel.
		Flexing the CS, Recon CS6.
		I swear to God, dude.
		If I see you point a wood gun or a Nerf one more time, dog, like, come on.
		Wait, Nick.
		But you're pointing a wood gun.
		I can go to Dollar Tree and buy right now.
		I want a Fed post.
		Are you homophobic, Sorry, I was laughing at you.
		That was so funny.
		I'm not afraid of them.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Our country's not gay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Our country is proudly heterosexual.
unidentified		Was that funny for you?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm being completely serious.
unidentified		I'm laughing at her face.
		No, I'm just trying to make it- Also, this guy is being so mean to me.
		I think he's telling me to shut the f- Shut up, bitch.
		And I'm like, ah!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Who's telling you to shut up?
unidentified		Who?
		Jared Holt.
		He says, shut up, bitch.
		Jared Holt's a nasty guy.
		You know what?
		I'm- I think I'm a pretty nice person.
		And I think I'm very open to learn about new things.
		Like, I even got to agree with a little bit of order with Nick.
		Like, be proud of me.
		So, okay.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Order above all else.
unidentified		In terms of, you know, Homosexuality.
		I wouldn't say I'm homophobic, because to have a phobia would mean you're afraid of something.
		I mean, I fear God, bro.
		I don't fear nothing else.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Hell yeah.
unidentified		Oh no, I'm kind of afraid of those age rates, bro.
		I don't want that shit.
		Every moral fiber within me disagrees with any of that.
		But my faith also calls me to love and respect you.
		Exactly.
		And I share my faith with you.
		And I would hope to God that you would repent of sins.
		And if you're not willing to do that, like I said, I'm not going to keep, you know, trying to force my morals on you.
		But at the end of the day, like I always say, every time I say this, we're going to stand in front of God.
		And one of us is going to the lake of eternal fire.
		And the other one is going to be able to walk between those pearly gates.
		So I would hope that you would be with me when I walk between those gates.
		So I just, I mean, that's not really the point.
		You're an example of a true Christian that chooses to love everyone and spread your morals.
		Him going that if you want to fix all of America's problems, you need to be Christian.
		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Why do you want to define?
		It's so funny.
		You're not a Christian, but you're going to say, well, he's the real Christian.
		He loves us.
unidentified		I mean, I grew up.
unidentified		I am intolerant of sin.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		We, we cannot tolerate bad things.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what is the definition of tolerance?
unidentified		I'm pretty familiar.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		If I were to say, I tolerate you, what would that mean?
		I tolerate you.
		If you were to hang out with me and I said, well, I tolerate you.
		I mean, it would mean I don't really like you, but I'm sort of just like accepting it.
		And so it's implicit in that as like, we know it's wrong or a heterodox or whatever, meaning different.
		We're unconventional, but yet we sort of reluctantly accept it.
		Now, why would we- That's all we want.
		Why would we tolerate things that are bad?
unidentified		That's all we want.
unidentified		All we want.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I am opposed to tolerance.
		Tolerance is not a Christian virtue.
		And love, in the Christian sense, is very different from the kind of love that people talk about.
		So, I reject this.
unidentified		We have multiple different versions of love.
		There's like agape.
		I don't have all these memorized.
		But loving doesn't mean always being tolerant of something.
		No, obviously you're not going to tolerate.
		I recognize we're all made in the image of Christ.
		So Nick, do you believe that God loves all of his children given like everybody in the world?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So whenever, and this is like this is a question, whenever like we're supposed to live a Christ-like life, doesn't that mean that we should love everybody like he does?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but the way that God loves is different than the way that we love.
unidentified		Right, no, yeah, I get that, but I mean, I was just wondering what you thought of that.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm like, in Jesus Christ, even if you read the gospel, it's so funny to me, because when I read the gospel for the first time, I'll be honest, I grew up Catholic, but I was basically like a cultural Catholic, which means that, you know, my parents weren't religious really like at all.
		I mean, they forced us to go to church for a few years, But I really came back to religion when I was in college.
		I read the Bible for the first time, and I swear, when I was reading the gospel, I said, wait a second, this Savior is very different from the one I was brought up to believe in, the sort of therapeutic Christianity that I was brought up to believe in, which is that, you know, Jesus Christ was this hippie that, like, just was kind of okay with everything, and he fed the poor.
		He was just a nice guy.
		You know, I read a book about a guy that, like, hated sin.
		You know, where somebody comes up and says, my dad is dying.
		Should I take care of my dad?
		And he says, no, let the dead lay with the dead.
		And he said, I didn't come to bring peace.
		I came to bring a sword.
		I came to divide.
		I came to divide households.
		And he said, if your right hand sins against you, cut it off, because you better to not have your hand and enter the kingdom of heaven, right?
		And the list goes on and on.
		People like to bring up this, well, he hung out with prostitutes.
		He hung out with people that were repentant, that left behind their ways and joined him.
		But when he saw things that he didn't like, he literally cracked the whip.
		He brought the whip out.
		And that is what he wanted us to be, which is strong and assertive Christians and to hate evil and to love goodness.
		And this is not a country that does that.
		This is a country that is in love and infatuated with evil and hates, frankly, goodness.
unidentified		Have you ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?
		Have you ever heard of the city Sodom and Gomorrah at all?
		You know how every people say we get closer and closer?
		I don't know if you ever heard a Christian say this, but every day we get closer to what Sodom and Gomorrah was.
		You know what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah?
		They got wiped off the face of the earth.
		You know why?
		We're so close to it, man.
		It's crazy.
		You read the Bible, you look at Revelation, you see how close we are to what people call the New Times.
		We are getting closer to it.
		And for people to say like, And I'm not saying you guys are denying Christianity.
		For people though that I find that say it's weird that, you know, it's like, oh, I can't see that happening.
		I'm like, dude, like you can read this text that has literally been like confirmed on multiple sources to be extremely old, literally almost like not word for word, but pointing to the things that will happen, how Christians are going to be like over the years.
		It's weird to me that people don't say, well, crap, maybe they are right.
		They don't even give a second chance.
		They're not even like, well, maybe I will try and figure it out.
		And this is fundamentally why we disagree with libertarians, because the libertarian is so self-obsessed with the individual, the one person, it leads them, whether you want to take a very religious route like I will, or maybe something like Jordan Peterson would say in a secular way, it's better for society to people to live a very biblical life.
		And libertarianism is devoid of these principles that you should act in a way that is beneficial, not in a way that is pleasurable.
		And Sodom and Gomorrah was essentially people pleasuring themselves until eternal damnation and destruction and fiery hell.
		Going back to what Fatty was saying, I 100% agree with that.
		People will look at a Bible for a second and it's depicting exactly what was going on.
		From like three thousand years ago and just deny it.
		Like there's literally a verse and I think it's second Corinthians and it says that like God says that he'll shut up the rains and I was like that you could look at that as like the Australia wildfires and he's gonna send locusts to devour the land and that's happening and I think it's in East Africa but locusts are literally eating their crops and people are starving and then he also said he was gonna send disease and that literally is like the COVID pandemic.
		There's things like that people just like choose to ignore.
		They're describing literally events that are happening in our I'm shocked the word of God is accurate.
		Wow.
		Right.
		I just, I don't understand what this has to do with.
		It's my fault because I went on a biblical rant.
		Yeah.
		I have another question for Fatty.
		Wait, what's your real, can I call you, like, do you like being called that?
		Call me Fatty, yeah.
		The reason I named you is because the first thing someone's going to insult me with is you're fat.
		I call myself Fatty.
		Okay.
		Go ahead.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You're an endomorph.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Based endomorph.
unidentified		Okay, so my Nick and Fatty and I think HW and Patriot.
		Okay.
		Since you guys were mainly the ones that were talking on this, like by no means like I'm personally Catholic, like I believe in God, but do you believe that there needs to be like separation of church and state?
		In the sense, I believe in the sense of when there's not separation of church and state.
		The church ends up getting corrupted, and then we get into some weird stuff, but I still think that we need to follow Christian morals.
		And, you know, that could be seen as, I guess you could say my opinion, but it comes from my beliefs.
		We might not need, I don't need my preacher maybe to tell me what I need to do lawfully, but I would hope my law, you know, whoever my senator or the president takes from the same morals that I take from.
		That's just, I feel like, I totally agree that, like, if it's your religion, you totally follow by your morals.
		But, like, our First Amendment does say free mobile religion.
		I just think it's hard to construct all those different religions that people go by.
		You know what I mean?
		And their morals, because, I mean, in the Christianity spectrum, like, Catholics' morals are completely different, or not completely different, I should not go there, are different than some Christians, because, like, there's more extremes on some sides and stuff like that, so how, like, I get, I think that on a moral standard, that people should follow what they believe, but I don't think that, like, you can honestly make it, like, a law because there's such, because there's already a freedom created,
		And that's like contradicting the past and contradicting what this country was built on?
		So I feel like there has to be a separation.
		I think Nick touched on this very well at some point in the past during this Zoom, that our idea of separation of church and state is not what was written in, it wasn't even written into the Constitution, but the whole idea of separation of church and state is that the head of the church is not the head of the government, right?
		There aren't shared positions between people in the church and people that have like legislative power or judicial power.
		That's not to say that the people who have legislative power or judicial power are faithful Christians who write moral laws and Christian laws and actually uphold the values of the nation.
		But doesn't, like, for example, banning gay marriage go against free will?
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No.
		If you look at the historic Christian position and the historic Christian understanding of what the government is for, like now we talk so much about like the government's purpose is to preserve individual sovereignty and personal liberty and all of these different things.
		The historic Christian understanding and belief about what the government's purpose was, was to promote good and to punish wickedness.
		To promote good and punish wickedness.
		So, I mean, that, you know, I mean, I don't really have to explain that.
		I mean, encourage what's good and punish evil.
		Now, so obviously wickedness and evil, you know, now in our relativistic, you know, society, there's a different understanding.
		There's debates about what wickedness and evil is.
		Obviously Christianity's or excuse me.
		America is a Christian society historically.
		We're moving away from that now.
		So the Christian moral compass is, the Christian moral compass is true.
		The Christian moral compass is what the country was founded upon.
		It's what the country has been operated on for the past, you know, 200 some years.
unidentified		Lavery was also justified.
		No, yeah.
		Bible verse was taken out of context.
		No, I'm not talking about Bible.
		I'm talking about society.
		Society moves And you cannot take what happened almost 300 years ago and compare it to what's happening today.
		Oh, you can.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		Well, but you can, though, because human nature doesn't change.
		So, I mean, that's not really a good argument.
		And also, just because certain people did certain things which we consider to be wrong now, I mean, you could use that in the reverse also.
		You could say, just because we disagree with slavery now doesn't mean we can compare it back then.
		I mean, that goes both ways.
		And, you know, that doesn't negate, however, the fact that American, going all the way back through like Anglo-Western Roman jurisprudence and everything, it was founded upon Christian morality.
		So just because people did, you know, justified slavery morally doesn't mean that the rest of it is invalidated.
unidentified		Well, I mean, 54, I think it's around 54 million people in America today are non-religious.
		So I feel like you can't justify those millions of people that aren't Christian.
		So you can't take the America today, because the America today is not the America that in 1777.
		America in 1777.
		America today is not a Christian society. - I can't-- - Right, and that should be rectified.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, and then I'll step back because I've been talking.
		But that should be rectified.
		Truth doesn't care about what the majority says or what the majority votes for.
		And that's like the fundamental flaw with democracy and these other, you know, you can even go so far as to say other representative governments.
		There's no truth in majority.
		There's no truth in consensus.
		The truth is a higher Exactly.
		higher standards.
		So if something is true, if something is moral, if something is transcendent, then we should strive to implement it.
		We should strive to maintain it rather than...
unidentified		The American society has decided that gay marriage is moral today.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		But they're wrong.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But they're wrong because God says that they're... They don't have that authority.
unidentified		That is not the authority.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		They don't have the authority.
		They're not given the mantle of the state.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		And the Supreme Court decided that, not America.
unidentified		Not the majority.
unidentified		I bet you... I would be shocked if you... I would be shocked if the court decided that.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		If you want to talk about how America is supposed to operate, judicial review is an abomination in the mind of the founders.
		So if you want to talk about the way that America should be, America was founded so that people could change it.
		The power was completely usurped by the courts.
		They have zero right or authority.
		to mandate that gay marriage should be legal.
		If you look at the voting, like the public opinion, when the Supreme Court did that, the majority of Americans were still against gay marriage.
unidentified		The majority of Americans today are for gay marriage.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		But that shows, number one, not accurate, but that also shows that government is able to dictate the morality of its citizens.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		So there's no reason that the government shouldn't dictate the morality of its citizens back in the right direction.
unidentified		Now, would that be said, how many people are actually for gay marriage or do you think that more of them are actually more scared to speak out against it because of where they work or coming down with society?
		I really don't, honestly, I don't understand why what someone decides to do in their personal life and with their relationships affects You and your faith in any way.
		literally spits on the face of my faith it literally spits on the face you're spitting on the face of someone else's faith but their faith is wrong you worship the devil this is a miracle We are a Christian nation.
		No, we are not.
		That is our right.
		We are.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		This is God's land.
unidentified		I will 100% agree we are built on Christianity, but today our constitution does not say we are going to follow what the Bible says.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		But if the founders knew, you know, like, like Nick said, fuck the Constitution, but if the founders knew about what situation we would be in right now, they would have put it in the Constitution.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		They would have clarified, they would have clarified in the First Amendment that... Were you like friends with, are you friends with Alexander Hamilton or something?
unidentified		Like do you like talk to him?
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		Because I could say the exact same thing about they would have said if I was freedom of religion is quote you know is only for Christians it's not for you know atheists, satanists, muslims.
unidentified		By that logic I could literally go up to I don't know Thomas Jefferson and go hey there's this worldwide connection where we can all talk to each other across the world in seconds they're gonna say oh no that's awful i'm pretty sure that's tell if you were to tell the founding fathers that people were you know that there was a bunch like homosexuality was marriage was legalized all right let's really against it
unidentified		But I'm not going to be, like, you know, crazy mean to you about it, but I'm pretty sure if you were to go back there and tell George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, Benjamin Franklin about all the stuff that's happening now, they'd probably have a heart attack.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		They would say, ew, gross!
unidentified		Like, I'm not trying to be disgusting.
		I'm not saying, I'm just saying their beliefs, there were so much, dude, like Christianity was so much stronger back then in terms of a lot of people.
		The Constitution was written to preserve the way of life at the time.
		And the way of life was a Christian way of life, and a lot of it was communal family living, multi-generational households, and stuff like that.
		Society has changed!
		Get over it!
		In a bad way!
		Change is not change.
		Some change is bad, some change is good.
		We need to revert to something that is good rather than what is bad.
		We need to become who we are.
		So do you not believe that the Constitution is a living document?
		I'm playing devil's advocate.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's not alive, it's a piece of paper.
unidentified		I would rip it up.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I would say no more of this.
unidentified		Do you believe that the Constitution grows and should change with time, or do you think it should stay the same, or what?
		Human nature doesn't change.
		Right, no, no, no, that's not what I'm asking.
		Do you think the Constitution is a living document?
		I think that human nature doesn't change.
		not literally live as an animate object it's supposed to live as a document be able to change over time so why does it need to be that significant like why why place the constitution above the babel like other nations exist and can live with their morality like secular like i'm not gonna agree with that i'm just playing double that i'm asking what you guys think i mean outside of the constitution liberalism the founding fathers were great advocates for natural law.
		It's very clear that putting your dick in another man's butt is against natural law.
		Man, we went there.
		I knew somebody was gonna go there.
		Well, um, I could actually get into the science behind homosexuality, but I don't know.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Can we just get it?
		Can we just stop?
		How do we always circle back to being gay?
unidentified		Sounds gross.
unidentified		Move on to a new thing.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But be like, wait a minute.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		But I'm gay.
unidentified		Can I bring up a new topic?
		No, you guys are going to talk about- Oh, gross.
		How could you do that?
		But like- It's gross.
		There's a present- Cut it out.
		I'm not- You guys are going to talk about it.
		I'm going to talk about it too.
		I don't want to talk about it.
		It sounds nasty.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm done talking about it.
unidentified		Can we talk about it?
		Let's change the subject.
		Gabby's off of TikTok right now.
		We don't know if she deactivated or if she got banned, but her account is- Can I take control?
		I'm about to mute everybody in about three seconds.
		All right, here we go.
		They didn't care.
		There's so many more hands up, and I'm just gonna level with y'all.
		It's four, basically, in the morning, so I think I'm gonna take one more question, and we might call it deuces, because your boy is tired.
		So... Can we talk about Electoral College?
		Sounds boring.
		Boring.
		I'm gonna give you my opinion on the Electoral College, if necessary.
		Boom.
		Alright, moving on.
		You know what?
		Jared Holt, you're so mean.
		Dude, we all hate Jared Holt.
		All my homies hate... I won't put the gun... All my homies hate Jared Holt.
		Can we get Kyle Frank in here?
		No.
		Hey, um.
		Does anyone else think that Grock kid looks like Ansel Algort?
		I don't know who that is.
		He's been holding up the phone the whole time, I think.
		No, but- We need conflict.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Let's bring in somebody who disagrees.
unidentified		We have two to do, but we're not going- We're not going to get any- Are there any barbs?
		What about gun control?
		I tried to find one, but- Gabby's off of TikTok!
		No one cared!
		Lucas is a whore, but not to the aspect, thankfully, that others are.
		I just listened to the Nicki Minaj music, and then people decided to take that and Politically, yeah.
		They said they'd give it to us in 2020.
		I was like, dog, I will move.
		I love America, but god, I will move.
		Oh, Fatty, Pan Fuzza had a question and he was muted the whole time when you got to him, I guess.
		Hell yeah!
		Okay, well.
		Let me turn my computer audio down because you're deafening me at five or four.
		Sorry about that, but it's, sorry about that, my mic was muted, but I have some statements on this little debate about who's the true Americans.
		Now, of course, knowing you being from the great state of Tennessee, yeehaw, You know, I'm gonna keep it simple.
		I'm gonna keep it short.
		Pretty much, America has always been a white nation, will always continue to be a white nation in that the current state of the American, so the state is controlled by the people and the people is controlled by the state.
		The thing is, is that the current American state is not for the American people.
		It's owned by non-Americans promoting non-ideas and I think it's to the point to where in our natural Uh, identity.
		It's a rev.
		We have a revolutionary identity, man, to a point if there comes to be where there's no political solution, which in my own opinion, I don't believe there is political solution that can help us in this troubling times, but I believe that.
		That I want to hear this statement.
		I want to hear this statement.
		Yeah.
		I think in an American way, if Census State is against us, I think, you know, if violence does come to an answer, I think violence should be used against them.
		Are you a boogaloo?
		He's a fad, dude.
		Fad?
		Nah, I'm not a fad.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Are we supposed to, what, buy an illicit firearm off of you in a parking lot or something?
unidentified		No, like, I can tell you what I am, I'm just gonna keep- Revolution begins now!
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Just buy this firearm off me.
unidentified		Let me put it to you this way, let me put it to you this way.
		Let me ask you this question.
		Are you one of those people, if you're not with me, you're against me type deals?
		I'm asking honestly.
		No, I'm not.
		And I'm not the kind of person.
		No, I'm not telling you my entirety ideology or what I believe in.
		I know that some people... I already know you work for the CIA.
		On my Zoom, didn't you say you were like a proclaimed fascist?
		Nah, of course I know some people are streamings, and I'll keep my autex down, but it's, uh... Dude, you know, you know- Get outta here.
		I could turn your video off and you could say something, and you can barely see your face anyway.
		It's like I- like, I had a mask, but I took it off because, you know... Screw it.
		But no, yeah.
		I have a question for you, bud.
		No, shoot, I can't call people bud anymore.
		Fed, no joke.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		Glowing like Jaden's fish tank.
unidentified		Let me ask you a question.
		Yeah.
		Okay, do you like- Go ahead, Tori, sorry.
		Do you like anybody who's not- I was like trying to- I like kind of low-key spaced out.
		So anybody who's like not American, because you said it's a white nation, which is majority white.
		I can't- you can't deny that.
		It's a fact.
		Like, are you saying like anybody of like a different race even though they were born here?
		Or are you saying like an immigrant?
		Dude, I'm with you, Fatty.
		I'm with you, dude.
		No, I'm not saying, I'm not one of those siege guys who say race war now kind of guys.
		Now, of course, I respect every race, but I know that.
		All right, can we get this cringe lord out of here?
		I mean, no, I'm just asking him a question.
jake lloyd ▲ ● ▼		Bye bye.
unidentified		I'm just asking him a question.
		All right.
		So what revolution are you talking about?
		Because if your revolution ends up in my front porch, I'm going to put your head on a pike out in the middle of my driveway.
		I'm not, well.
		I'm not advocating for any kind of... I don't want a revolution.
		I don't want something like that to happen.
		But I know that if, for some reason, a political solution doesn't work, that the only way to truly be able to do it is either through revelation or pure collapse.
		Okay.
		Now, of course, I like genocide.
		Thank you for the question.
		I'm not a genocide.
		I don't believe in genocide.
		I'm not advocating for genocide.
		I respect every single race, but I wonder about it.
		You can call me a white man.
		If our way of America leaves year four, all right, we're going to take America back by force.
		Well, it's... I don't know other ways.
		Dude, no joke.
		You killed the vibe.
		Thank you, sir.
		Can we go on to the next?
		Thank you, sir.
		That's not the last question for the night.
		Holy Lord, Jesus.
		Fatty, I got a question for you, my guy.
		He doesn't come after me.
		Psychopath.
		What?
		Okay, so just like... For Fatty?
		Hmm, I don't know.
		Okay.
		I know, like, Lucas is obvious, like, oh, that's really nice, HW.
		The wood gun, this dude probably sticks it up his butt at night.
		He's getting, uh, he's putting on a school mask.
		Alright, continue on.
		Oh, yeah, like, what do you identify as?
		I told you he was a fascist.
		I am a conservative.
		Okay, Nick?
		He literally said that he was a proclaimed fascist on my zoom.
		So just putting that out there.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		He's throwing up a row.
unidentified		He just threw up a Roman on the, uh, dude.
		I bought one of those when I was five too.
		You should just kick him from here.
		Yeah, I think it's Kyle.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I love how people like that like to join political dialogue to say that they reject political dialogue, right?
		We need a revolution, but, right, everyone's with me, too.
		It's, you know, kind of a contradictory suggestion.
unidentified		I mean, you and your three members of your army can go start a revolution.
		I will happily sit and picnic on a hill as I watch A-10s absolutely abolish, God, spread you into red mist as you flow over the meadows and just Freaking fertilize the fields.
		I would love to see 150 millimeter howitzer rain down on you and absolutely decimate you and create lakes that I can fish out of.
		Please entertain me.
		It's so funny.
		You can instantly tell that they're, you know, Wignet.
		You can just instantly tell.
		The physiotomy, man.
		They're just always... You look at the white nationalist... Freak!
		He's back here in the dark.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Does he have a legitimate response, though?
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Do we want to let him respond, or no?
unidentified		Let's do it!
		All right.
		So, well, here's the thing.
		Well, I'm not advocating for it.
		I'm not trying to kill you or kill anybody.
		I want people to be on my side.
		Now, I'm saying this in response to, you know, maybe I don't want a war.
		I don't want revolution.
		That's the last thing I want.
		I want a political solution.
		But of course, I'm not really a groiper.
		I'm not, you know, one of these libertarians or anything like that.
		And, you know, man, what Patriot said, yes, I am a fascist.
		I don't, I don't mind admitting it.
		I'm glad you said you're not a Groyper.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you said you're not a Groyper, but I would just say that, you know, we should think about being practical.
		And I would just say, you know, labels like that and talk like that.
		I would just question the efficacy of that if we want to achieve our goals.
		And if you say you want to avoid violence, you know, if we're going to have a non-violent solution in the country, to me, to pursue that, it's mutually exclusive with talking like that or presenting yourself like that.
		I would just say that.
		From a groiper to a non-groiper, I would simply say, I understand the idea that the government does not work for the people.
		I was on board with you there.
		The government doesn't work for the people.
		I'm with you.
		We're against the people.
		Explicitly.
		And as somebody who's trying to change that from within, you disagree that there's a political solution, I would just say that You know, when you look at the government, how powerful it is and the military and the police, the efficacy of a strategy like that, or frankly talking about it, trying to gain popular support for that, even if you're for that, I would just question the efficacy of that.
		That's all I'm going to say.
unidentified		I respect your decision, sir.
		And it's what I have to say to that.
		is that, personally, I don't believe a revolution will actually be able to succeed, but if it comes to ends where, you know, maybe a collapse might not happen, and then we just get to the point where pretty much all of our ideas are being put down, we're getting into pretty much on levels of like pure authoritarianism, you know, in the sense of like, they're gonna come into your home, bust your door down, shoot you with your gun,
		Shoot them with your gun and it's like, it's getting to the point where it's, you know, you're being put down for being white.
		You're being put down for being American.
		You're being put down for being Western.
		And of course, with my ideology, it comes with, there's a very, very big identity on nationalism.
		There's a very big identity on people.
		I have a question.
		What was your deal with holding up the white power hand?
		What was that?
		It's not the white power hand.
		It's actually the Roman salute, if you knew that.
		Yeah, yeah.
		I know it's a salute, but what were you trying to do there?
		I don't know, because, you know, I got muted for, you know, saying shit.
		I think he's trying to get me in trouble.
		Well, I would, again, I would just say.
		I had relatives that died in the war absolutely trying to wipe the earth off from your kind of people.
		I'm not a Nazi.
		But I'm not a Nazi.
		There's a difference between a fascist and a Nazi.
		Are you a white nationalist?
		You know what?
		The pot calling the kettle black is something crazy.
		It's absolutely insane.
		Like, I don't mind if I... Okay, you can call me a white nationalist.
		I don't mind.
		Because here's the thing.
		I'm not advocating for pure supremacy.
		I'm not advocating for anything like that.
		I'm not advocating for like, genocide.
		Plus two equals five.
		It just doesn't work.
		Were you anti-diversity?
		I'm so confused.
		Am I anti-diversity?
		When it comes to race?
		Yes.
		Why?
		You just said you were respectful towards every race.
		How is that?
		I am respectful towards race, but I believe that since my, so, okay.
		So my family has been here since 1724.
		That's a very long fucking time.
		We fought in the revolutionary war.
		We fought in civil war.
		We fought in almost every single war that has to be.
		Now.
		It's we're going to the stage of where, you know, our history is being erased.
		Our, you know, people are being demonized in our entire history.
		It's like, Oh, you're white.
		You're bad.
		Uh, you own slaves.
		You did this.
		You killed thousands of Africans.
		You killed thousands of these people.
		And I don't believe that, you know, our people should have to go for that.
		I don't believe that our people should have to be a minority, has to be a demonized in a country we built.
		Right.
		I understand.
		I agree with that, but I also also agree with the fact that fascism is not the way to go, my guy.
		Yeah.
		And I respect your opinion.
	I don't think you're anti-diversity.
	Like, not all minorities of race, not minorities, I shouldn't say, not all other races, like, put you down because you're white.
	Well, it's more of coming from a, I'm sorry.
	I was just kind of confused.
	You said you respect all races, but then you said you're against race diversity.
	That kind of contradicts itself.
	Okay, so here's my response to that.
	Because of the fact that for a state to work, it has to be majorly homogeous.
	Now, I'm not saying black people can't live within America, Hispanics, Asian, be whatever.
	It's just they shouldn't be citizens.
	I believe that they shouldn't deserve residency because they're not American.
	In my ideology, they're not American.
	What?
	White people aren't just Americans, y'all!
	So this Zoom, this Zoom, okay, this Zoom was made so we can hear other people's opinions.
	Hence how Nick Fuentes got, and I got introduced to all this, you know, and we have, I'm rambling on because my brain can't handle this.
	It's like trying to do calculus on the ACT, just won't happen.
	I'm all for hearing other opinions, but my guy, When you do the whatever, I don't care what you call the salute on my Zoom call at four in the morning, there is nothing that I want to do than to just give up on humanity and just literally ask you why.
	And then every time you give me a reason that I don't like, Ask you why again, and then at that point, chase you around with a very sharp stick.
	So I'm confused as to how you can be respectful to other races.
	Oh, he has a gun too.
	Get him out of here!
	Get him out!
	And here's the deal, I don't miss, I respect you for having another opinion, but your opinion sucks, and a bunch of Americans died to get rid of that opinion.
	A bunch of Americans were actually drafted into that war and actually 91% of Americans- That's crazy, the other thing too, there's a bunch of black Americans that died getting rid of your kind too, so you know- Wait, do you like Obama?
	No.
	Did you mainly not like Obama?
	Oh, did he get kicked?
	Hopefully, hopefully he did.
	Oh, I really wanted to hear what he said about Obama.
	I just don't want to get banned, frankly.
	All he talked about was Hitler and how the Holocaust was a myth.
	It was so annoying.
	Yeah, it's a myth, guys.
	If you wanted some controversy, there's a controversy.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say I wanted controversy.
unidentified		Someone said they wanted something interesting.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I said I wanted disagreement, not that.
unidentified		It was nothing more than you wanting to stick my fist through the camera and punch me.
		No, I'm just, like, serious.
		How can anybody not believe in, like, the Holocaust?
		Like, where did the six million Jews land?
		They went to Mars, duh.
		What do you think?
		I forgot.
		I forgot there was a distinction for Holocaust deniers and the same people who believe Earth is flat.
		What do you mean?
		Earth is flat.
		Hollow.
		I'm playing.
		I'm totally playing.
		I really hope you are.
		It's hollow.
		Alright.
		I like how he flashed his gun at you.
		Jared, who's that person in the picture?
		I don't know who that is.
		Talking about Jared Holt?
		Are you addressing Mr. Jared Holt in the Zoom?
		I'm just gonna stand at this man's green screen absolutely glitching out for my entertainment.
		Wait, who is it?
		Can somebody tell me?
		That's the man down there that now has a beard.
		And the man who- Oh my gosh, my buddy Nick?
		My new buddy Nick?
		You have such a baby face.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		Holy crap.
unidentified		Not that old.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I think you're- I'm 21.
unidentified		Yeah, the man's only two years older than me.
		Can I ask Nick a question?
		Or are you moving on, Fatty?
		Go ahead.
		What question?
		I wanted to ask you about Turning Point.
		I'm a part of Turning Point, right?
		Sorry.
		I always hear your name get brought up, but I don't know what happened.
		And everybody has bad opinions about you.
		I don't agree with everything you have to say, but I think you're a nice guy.
		But I'm curious, what happened?
		Wait a second.
		Wait a second.
		We have a simp.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Where?
unidentified		Huh?
unidentified		We have... I'll take him out.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
		Oh, no.
		Hold on.
unidentified		Let me... You know what?
		I don't have a younger sister.
		So let me do this real quick.
		Where is this man at?
		Let me do this.
		At least he's got a nice pair of spectacles.
		Let me... No.
		Excuse me, sir.
		Why will the nuts unmute you?
		Perhaps.
		Hey.
		Excuse me, sir.
		Yes.
		Or at least just your snap.
		Let me ask you this question.
		Does Zoom look like Tinder to you?
		What?
		Does Zoom look like Tinder to you?
		Hold on.
		Hold on.
		Unmute Padre Tyrone.
		Hello, Folk Solid Nation.
		Let me ask you this question.
		Let me ask you this question.
		Does Zoom look like Tinder to you?
		What?
		Does Zoom look like Tinder to you?
		Dude, this was a joke to get me unmuted.
		All right.
		Hello, Folk Solid.
		You know what?
		I do like to hear other people's opinions, but I will not like to hear a lot of others.
		Like people like that, bro, at four in the morning, I can't handle.
		I thought you were calling me a simp.
		I was like, whoa, what did I do?
		I mean, sure, if you're a simp.
		All right, fellas, so we have one more.
		So here's what I'm going to do.
		I'm going to ask, we're going to go to one more question.
		And if I don't like the question, I'm going to bed.
		So, everybody, fingers crossed.
		Please, Lord Jesus.
		Don't ask a stupid question, please.
		You ask a stupid question, I kill you.
		All right?
		Wait, get Nick's simp down there.
		The one with the person in the green screen.
		The one that met Nick and I didn't know was Nick and that's super awkward.
		Me and Nick, we're friends now.
		Nick, we're friends.
		Yeah.
		That kid really had his hand up.
		All right, uh, liberal ter-tarian?
		How do I, am I pronouncing this correctly?
		Oh, hey, how you doing, man?
		I'm doing alright.
		I saw your background and I saw the name and I was like, hopefully this will give me hope that we can still have interesting conversations.
		Yeah, I'm a communist.
		Okay.
		Do you know what that means?
		Yes.
		Alright.
		I'm also a libertarian.
		Okay.
	You know what that means?
	Yeah, my guy.
	Alright, I had two questions.
	One of them was for you and the other one was for that Mr. Nicholas Fuentes guy.
	Somebody told me that there was a cute girl from Montana in here.
	That's where I live.
	Okay, come on.
	Let me go.
	I want to let you go.
	You have strength to not kill this man right now.
	I mean, he's kind of underage, but...
	All right, never mind, never mind.
	My second question...
	Brian moment?
	I'm a libertarian.
	You've got to give me a break.
	This is a cool libertarian.
	The second question is for Mr. Nicholas J. Fuentes.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that...
	Do you think that...
	You know, I've talked to a lot of people, you know, in Turning Point USA.
	I'm in Turning Point USA and a lot of us are like very sympathetic to Nick and the Groipers and I was just wondering if you thought that there was like anything that we could do to like maybe, I don't know, fuse those two worlds together and sort of, or you know, if we could sort of, I don't know, help in any way.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a great question.
unidentified		It's true.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there are a lot of, I'm glad you brought this up.
unidentified		Is it, what's the name, Matt?
unidentified		No, my name is Liberaltarian.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I was reading someone else's thing.
		Yeah, so there are a lot of people in Turning Point that are sympathetic to the Groypers.
		I get this all the time.
		People would say, oh, I can't, I'm too afraid of Charlie Kirk, I'm afraid of Benny Johnson.
		What they would say, how they would react if they knew, you know, that I was sympathetic to the Groypers.
		And I would say that the number one thing that they could do is if they're a chapter president, They could get in touch with Jada McNeil and talk about starting an America First students chapter on their campus for the fall semester.
		And other than that, I would say just to spread the ideas.
		You know, you got to be careful in Turning Point not to get kicked out.
		And the easiest way to do that is to be way too open.
		about your sympathies.
		We saw that during the Groyper War, so I would say that if you're a Groyper sympathizer, I would, you know, begin to share some of your inquiries or ideas with your fellow Turning Point members and see how they react.
		Be tactful, of course, as always, but try not to get yourself kicked out, because I think that being a rank-and-file Turning Point person is a great way to meet other young people, other young conservatives, young politically-minded people, and we want to remain in that position, but we're also winning hearts and minds.
		If you get too hot right away, you're going to be out of the game, and then you've got nobody to talk to, nobody to influence, no doors to open.
		So, you want to kind of get the best of both worlds, where you can have one foot in one world and one in the other.
		And that involves a little bit of tact, and a little bit of, you know, smartness about how you go about it, but I think that's the best approach.
unidentified		It's all a game!
		Yeah, that makes sense.
		Thank you.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're welcome.
unidentified		Nick, what is your political affiliation?
		Me?
		Yeah.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a paleoconservative.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'm a griper.
		Yeah.
		I don't even know what a griper is.
		I identify as a griper.
		What is a griper?
		It's like a pepe derivative that's very cozy.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not cozy.
unidentified		I'm so confused as these graphics that you're playing in the back of your screen there, my friend.
		Oh, me?
		No, dude, the guy that... Yeah, bro, what?
		Bro, I like you, man.
		I don't know who you are, but you're cool.
		Are you on Twitter?
		Are you 30?
		I'm not that active on Twitter.
		I mean, I'm gonna start being, but it's, yeah.
		Twitter is my name.
		Libertarian.
		Are you 30?
		No, I'm 21 years old.
		Dude, why do I look older than everybody that's older than me?
		I'm so confused.
		Wait, how old are you, fatty?
		I'm 19.
		Oh, me too.
		You look like you're like 21.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You're 19, fatty.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		You do look older.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		It's the beard.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		You got a serious beard there.
unidentified		I'm a viking.
		It just comes naturally.
		Ha, based.
		Same.
nick fuentes ▲ ● ▼		Straightly based.
unidentified		Here we go.
		Chads can be based, fakey, deep fakey, gay gay, deep groiped.
		It is, it is.
		Hyperborean, golden race.
		I don't know man, you keep denying it, and then you just keep doing shit that's very groiper-esque, you're very based.
		You have good gut instinct.
		He's a physical groiper.
		Dude, I'm just... Gotta come home.
		The Chad, I will not listen to your study.
		I'm going with my gut instinct on this.
		I am just...
		A Christian conservative, that's what I am.
		That's all we are.
		A Christian conservative likes to hear other people's opinions.
		That's all it is, man.
		And I'll respect your opinion unless you do something stupid, aka the dude I kicked because that dude is a moron.
		Yep.
		Oh, yeah.
		You know, I feel bad for those kids.
		They gotta just chill out.
		Well, Sadie, thank you for staying up so late to host this with us.
		I think Conservative Hype House is going to take a break from Zooming.
		I might just Zoom Fatty's Lounge.
		We can do this.
		That way I can hear like everybody and everybody's stupid comments that they have to say and not get the group in trouble.
		I'm not actually in the group, but I still don't want to screw anything up, you know what I mean?
		Yeah.
		We can take even stupider questions, so.
		And I know stupider isn't a word, I'm just waiting for the chat to say, you're deviating, where are you?
		You have to be chat disabled, which is very sad.
		Not that chat.
		There's a reason that chat stays disabled.
		Chat loves you, bro.
		I don't know what you're talking about.
		I scrolled for 30 seconds and it was just hard R, hard R, hard R, hard R. What?
		No.
		Is this getting posted anywhere or no?
		Huh?
		Is this getting posted anywhere?
		This Zoom?
		Yeah.
		I'm not recording at home.
		No, don't.
		I'm awkward.
		My first name didn't have my first and last name, so I was like... Yikes, doctor.
		Well, guys, I'm gonna get off.
		I'm gonna plug myself, Twitter's Fatty Actual, TikTok's Fatty Actual.
		I'm getting hated on for TikTok.
		I literally duetted this gay dude making... I just followed you on... I knew he was joking, and I made it, and I'm getting... Like, they're hating on me in the comments for some reason.
		I might need a grope.
		Draper group to come.
		Just a squad.
		We will fall in line.
		We will help you.
		It's real.
		We are your greatest friend and your greatest ally.
		Look, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but I wouldn't consider us enemies.
		Your profile picture has the Viking, right?
		Huh?
		Your profile picture has the Viking, right?
		Yeah.
		Yeah, okay, nevermind.
		I got it.
		Seriously, though.

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