No Agenda - 1785 - "Mackerels"

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1785 - "Mackerels"

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	Oh now you've connected the dots.
	John C. Devorah.
	It's Sunday, July 27th, 2025.
	This is your award-winning Gilmore Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1785.
	This This is no agenda.
	We're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas country here in FEMA region number six.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from Brother Silicon Valley, where I'm fogged in, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Craig Bottom Buck Hill.
	In the morning.
	Yeah, it must be July in San Francisco.
	It happens every day.
	Bay Area.
	Fog.
	I wake up, it's foggy, cold.
	Oh, boy.
	You know, it has been one of the mildest summers I've ever witnessed in Hill Country.
	Or in Texas.
	Global warming.
	In Texas in general.
	It's just, it's really, it's been nice.
	It's been really, really nice.
	So I wasn't able to get a clip because no one had anything.
	It started just before we came, before we got on the air live.
	We have a deal.
	We have a deal.
	We got a huge deal.
	Did you hear about the huge deal?
	Well, I heard that about an hour ago.
	Trump said, I saw the live press conference and he said, we should have a deal in a half an hour.
	I wonder why you had to wait a half an hour.
	What was going to change?
	Because they were inking the deal.
	So it looks like I think Queen Ursula folded.
	And we got ourselves a deal between the European Union and the United States.
	And President Trump looks very happy.
	But it was kind of telegraphed already.
	Did you see anything of the European Union-China summit?
	I saw none of it.
	Wow.
	All of a sudden, Queen Ursula is sounding like President Trump.
	A few figures.
	Today, the European Union accounts for an impressive 14.5% of China's total exports.
	Yet China only represents 8% of our exports.
	These numbers speak to the scale of our relationship, but they also expose a growing imbalance.
	It is mostly due to an increasing number of trade distortions and access barriers.
	But unlike other major markets, Europe keeps its market open to Chinese goods.
	This reflects our long-standing commitment to rules-based trade.
	However, this openness is not matched by China.
	The European Union's trade deficit with China has doubled in the last decade, reaching more than 300 billion euros by now.
	We have reached a clear inflection point.
	As we said to the Chinese leadership, for trade to remain mutual, beneficial, it must become more balanced.
	Europe welcomes competition.
	We like competition, but competition has to be fair.
	Pretty much the same problem we had.
	Well, it's about time they figured it out.
	And this was even more interesting.
	What did she wave around as the only other option if China doesn't return to rules-based trade?
	Yeah, everything is play fair.
	Please play fair.
	Oh no, she brought out the T-word.
	The need to rebalance our relationship is even more urgent in today's context of the global rise of tariffs.
	As two of the world's largest economy, the European Union and China share a responsibility to uphold and reform the global trading system so we can keep it open, fair and grounded on rules.
	This responsibility also extends to upholding international norms, rules and institutions.
	And this is why we raised the critical issue of China's support for Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine.
	This has a direct and dangerous impact on Europe's security.
	And we expressed together our expectations that China would follow up on our concerns and the expectation that it would use its influence to bring Russia to accept a ceasefire, to come to the negotiation table, enter peace talks and put an end to the bloodshed.
	How China continues to interact with Putin's war will be a determining factor for our relations going forward.
	So the way I see it, China went no.
	And then she went, well, okay, we'll just do business with the United States then.
	Seems pretty simple to me.
	Well, China, this was going to catch up to them eventually.
	Yeah.
	They've gotten away with it.
	I mean, the Chinese even knew this because they had talked about turning inward a Chinese technique, usual technique of dealing with issues.
	What does that mean in turning inward?
	They can create their own market and just sell to themselves.
	Isn't that illegal?
	What?
	Just kidding.
	What?
	Just kidding.
	They're going to sell their own stupid solar panels to themselves and go, all right, good.
	That's what they have too much of.
	They've subsidized.
	Well, their whole system is based on overproduction.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and then dumping it cheap on other countries like the EU.
	And us.
	So I think a big part of this deal was Europe.
	Europe is going to spend a lot of their 700 billion euros earmarked for weapons on U.S. weapons.
	What are the chances?
	What are the chances?
	Yeah, well, that's all we...
	No, we don't.
	Agricultural products.
	We sell that.
	They weren't buying that.
	Apparently, they're going to start buying something.
	Supposedly.
	Give them our GMO corn.
	Let's send them that.
	Well, we can send them GMO corn or our lousy wheat.
	All the poisonous stuff we grow.
	Yeah, send it to them.
	So, the president is in Scotland today, and the Scottish are out protesting.
	At least that's what the M5M is showing us.
	And what's really interesting, I watched probably 20, 25 minutes of Man on the Street interviews with.
	And these are not organized protests.
	These are really, you know, they're handmade signs, poorly made handmade signs.
	Like, just like, can they not even draw properly there?
	And what's interesting is they just hate Trump.
	They say, well, we don't like what he's doing.
	No one says what he's doing.
	They just hate him.
	Listen to this.
	I'm very much against everything that Trump stands for and what he's doing in America.
	So I want people to know, the Americans know that we're very much pro them, their democracy, but we really want the lies, the falsehoods, the racism, the fascism to stop.
	So that's why we're all depressed.
	The racism and the fascism.
	Huh?
	No, the talking points.
	I have some clips too I want to get to.
	Which are from NPR, which will back up your clips.
	But these are just American talking points.
	These are setups.
	This is not real.
	This is bullcrap.
	Soros or somebody pays some people to stand around.
	They say themselves as 100 people.
	Oh, no.
	It's a small crowd, but it's the same thing as No King's Day, basically, where everyone was just standing around saying, no king.
	Well, what's the problem?
	We just don't want a king.
	There's nothing.
	There's no content.
	So that's why we're all demonstrating today.
	He shouldn't be here.
	You know, we shouldn't give him airtime.
	You know, somebody like that who has those standards, I don't think it should be welcome in this country.
	I'm here just to show my support for the people that think the same way as me and basically detest everything Donald Trump stands for.
	You sometimes wonder if protest works and people listen to it, but that's the only tool that we have for democracy and to show our dislike of Donald Trump, basically, and what he stands for.
	Shut up.
	Let them talk.
	What are you going blah, blah, blah for?
	Because that's blah, blah, blah.
	She's not saying anything.
	That's the point.
	That's the point.
	There's one last guy here who makes, who tries to make a point.
	There will be a point in dislike of Donald Trump, basically, and what he stands for.
	I'm pretty much, I'm an immigrant myself.
	I've come from Italy here to Scotland, and I stand pretty much against everything that Britain does.
	And I think Scotland should reject Trump in a strong way because it's just to send a signal that the majority of the people in the world don't agree with what it's doing in terms of the genocide in Palestine and the treatment of immigrants in the U.S. or something.
	All right, so Trump is genociding in Israel or something like that and the immigrants.
	And that was the only thing, the only, actually the president brought two messages the minute he got off the plane.
	Probably both are being celebrated by the people not holding the signs.
	Better get your act together.
	You're not going to have Europe anymore.
	You've got to get your act together.
	And we, you know, as you know, last month we had nobody entering our country.
	Nobody.
	Shut it down.
	And we took out a lot of bad people that got there with Biden.
	Biden was a total stiff and what he allowed to happen, but you're allowing it to happen to your countries.
	And you've got to stop this horrible invasion that's happening to Europe.
	Many countries in Europe.
	Some people, some leaders have not let it happen.
	And they're not getting the proper credit.
	I could name them to you right now, but I'm not going to embarrass the other ones.
	But stop, this immigration is killing Europe.
	And the other thing, stop the windmills, killing the beauty of your country.
	Thank you very much, everybody.
	Stop the windmills.
	That's what they focused on on PBS.
	The windmills?
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Well, the EU is still all in on the green energy transition.
	What do you have for this?
	Before you go there, I got these clips on Trump in Scotland.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let's do it.
	First of all, there's the overview clip we can play or not play, which is Trump in Scotland NPR, which is just our general clip.
	Yes, it doesn't have the good stuff.
	Well, we need an overview just for prosperity.
	President Trump is in Scotland this weekend, visiting his golf resorts and meeting with British and European leaders.
	A major security operation is underway for his visit, with officers around the UK brought in to support Scottish police.
	But some locals are concerned about the scale and cost of the operation.
	NPR's Fedim Al-Qasa reports.
	President Trump's visit to his golf courses on opposite sides of the country has prompted a major police operation around Scotland, which is expected to cost Scottish taxpayers millions of dollars.
	Kerry Walsh from Glasgow says she's not sure it's worth it.
	So much has been spent on him being here, and I don't know what the benefit of him being here is, if I'm honest.
	The Scottish Police Union says resources are stretched and it may take officers much longer to respond to other incidents over the weekend as a result.
	Protesters are planning what they are calling a festival of resistance to the president's visit.
	Oh, well, that's what we heard.
	A festival of resistance.
	That's almost a matter of time.
	I think that they're playing into the stereotype of the Scots being cheap bastards.
	With what?
	Oh, they're worried about the price.
	Oh, it's so expensive.
	No.
	Yeah.
	I thought that was kind of a...
	We have Scott Simon.
	Oh, how could I not be ready for that?
	I don't know.
	How is beyond me?
	I don't even know where.
	Here he is.
	I'm Scott.
	Simon.
	President Trump.
	I'm going to do the weekend show up first, but I have it down here as the first.
	And the clip, the first, there's three clips here, which has a punchline.
	The first NPR Trump in Scotland hit piece.
	In Scotland, the home country of his late mother, President Trump, will be playing golf, promoting the golf resorts he owns there, and meeting with British and European leaders.
	But questions about other things have followed him there.
	Dawson, the Federal Reserve, and his dead former friend, the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
	Wow.
	And there are protesters.
	Wow.
	His dead former friend.
	Wow.
	Is that good?
	Yeah.
	That is good.
	His dead former friend, the sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein.
	And there are protesters.
	And Pierce Lauren Freyre is at a demonstration in Edinburgh.
	Joins us from there.
	Lauren, thanks for being with us.
	Thanks for having me, Scott.
	What kind of welcome is the president receiving in Scotland?
	Well, I'm outside the U.S. Consulate in Edinburgh, where several hundred people gathered today.
	There are Scottish bagpipers.
	One of them is holding a sign that says, at least this bag of hot air serves a purpose.
	There are Palestinian flags over the crowd.
	I also see a sign that says, Scotland is already great.
	A reference to, you know, making anything great again.
	Protest organizers here call this a festival of resistance.
	Here's protester Niamh Cunvin Smith.
	Why on earth is this convicted felon allowed to come into our country and play golf when the people do not like him?
	A recent poll found that more than 70% of people in Scotland have an unfavorable view of Trump.
	That's higher than across the entire United Kingdom.
	People here say they're motivated by Trump's climate policy.
	In fact, some climate protesters actually abseiled, belayed themselves on ropes down off a bridge here last night.
	Others say they're protesting U.S. policy in the Middle East.
	Many Scots are also angry at the cost to taxpayers of Trump's visit here.
	And there are even a few Jeffrey Epstein posters in the mix here.
	Yeah.
	Some of the headlines were, convicted felon visits Scotland.
	Oh, those.
	This is unbelievable.
	This is the kind of hit piece.
	It's not news at all.
	It's just a hit piece.
	And it gets worse, but it doesn't get to the third clip, which is the real killer showing that they're just, they can't even do a good report.
	This is the first NPR Trump in Scotland 2.
	A topic that the president might have hoped to leave on this side of the Atlantic, I should think.
	Probably, but it's one of the things that the traveling press asked him about moments after Air Force One touched down here last night.
	Trump denied ever being briefed that his name might be in the Epstein files.
	He said he has the power to pardon Epstein's ex, Ghillene Maxwell, who is in prison, but that he hasn't thought about doing that.
	And he said, if you're going to talk about Epstein.
	Talk about all of his friends.
	Talk about the hedge fund guys that were with him all the time.
	Don't talk about Trump.
	So Trump was dodging questions about Epstein here, but it's not just the media talking about this.
	Scottish protesters stealthily put up a sign outside of one of Trump's golf resorts here this week that says, quote, twinned with Epstein Island.
	The president does have deep family ties to Scotland.
	As we mentioned, his late mother was born and raised there.
	Do Scots like to consider him a native son?
	Yeah, I mean, his mother was born on the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides Islands, a place that Trump once on a visit called Syria, Scotland.
	Her first language was actually Gaelic.
	Trump has long owned golf resorts here, so Scots have been well acquainted with him for a long time, even before he became president.
	Trump says he loves Scotland, but he's also been critical of its environment policy, for example.
	He's called for the country to scrap what he calls windmills, renewable energy wind turbines.
	He considers them an eyesore.
	He's called on Scotland to double down on energy from fossil fuels instead.
	Oh, man.
	And of course, Scotland has a huge supply of fossil fuels off their coast.
	Yes.
	It's called, oh, let's put up some windmills.
	It's pretty funny.
	And ruin, ruin the seascape.
	Ruin.
	So bad.
	So we go to this last clip, which shows the kind of crappy reporting they're doing on NPR, even though they run commercial after commercial.
	I have a couple of them on here about their needing more money.
	This is the first Trump Scott 3 WTF clip.
	And see if you can hear the slant, the way they slant the conclusion.
	Here's an Edinburgh bartender.
	I spoke with Cam Page.
	I mean, the first song going on about was the windmills and all that.
	I think it's a bit weird.
	The first thing he does when he comes here is just moan and complain.
	He kind of just wants Trump to butt out of his country's energy policy.
	He never said that.
	He never said that.
	At the very end, she makes up a conclusion the guy never said.
	If the guy said he wants Trump to butt out of his energy policies, why doesn't she has the guy on tape?
	Why didn't she play that instead of saying it herself?
	Well, she has to justify her reason for existence in Scotland on this trip, on this gambit.
	As soon as they said the bartender, I started clipping it.
	I said, oh, but the bartender will be down to earth, joke around.
	He says, he didn't say anything other than what you'd expect from a bartender.
	And then she makes up a conclusion.
	Oh, it's unbelievable.
	NPR, we should defund them.
	Oh, wait.
	We already did.
	He says we're on these guys.
	Play a couple of these clips.
	This is the way the show starts.
	This clip is the first NPR Scott and Alicia.
	He's teamed up.
	He only works on the weekends, makes $400,000 plus a year.
	That really bothers you, doesn't it?
	We only work two days a week.
	We just don't make his kind of money.
	But, you know, we have the same basic deal.
	No, everybody at NPR makes $400,000 a year.
	And so they team him up with Alicia, the black woman who just is a screecher.
	And it must, I think they did it to torture him, to be honest about it, because he's so kind of old school broadcaster.
	But let's listen to this.
	Here's the classic opening.
	President Trump is in Scotland.
	But he can't escape questions about Jeffrey Epske.
	You make it a very big thing over something that's not a big thing.
	I'm Aisha Roscoe.
	And I'm Scott Simon, and this is up first from NPR News.
	Trump and his allies call it Alligator Alcatraz, the immigration detention center in Florida's Everglades.
	Now, people being held there say guards are abusing.
	They change me towards the ground.
	I was in the sunlight from one o'clock to like 7 o'clock in the evening.
	This is a human.
	What do officials say about these allegations?
	Also, there's anxiety about where the economy is headed for sure, but the stock market is hitting record highs.
	Why?
	Stay with us.
	We'll have the news you need this weekend.
	Well edited.
	Oh, man.
	They got some expensive editing going on over there.
	Well, then here, this is the end of the way the show ends.
	Another thing, these people make more money than typical radio.
	This is upfront NPR credits.
	And that's up first for July 26, 2025.
	I'm Aisha Roscoe.
	And I'm Scott Simon.
	Today's podcast was produced by the discerning and astute.
	Oh, wait, why is he laughing?
	Is he laughing?
	He's laughing because he knows what they're paying.
	I'm Aisha Roscoe.
	And I'm Scott Simon.
	Today's podcast was produced by the discerning and astute Elena Turek with help from Fernando Naro, who possesses a piercing mind.
	Do not face off with them during a trivia night.
	They will wipe the floor with you.
	Our editors are the fantastic four, Susanna, Capaluto, Belovi Gagoy, Jacob Benston, and Melissa Gray.
	Maybe they're the Fab four.
	It's hard to tell because they're certainly here, there, and everywhere.
	Okay.
	Scott, tell us who else is Fab?
	I agree.
	That was a little creepy.
	David Greenberg, our technical director, and our engineering support comes from Joe Van Genhoven, Tom Marquito, and Zach Coleman.
	Andy Craig is our director, which he does with the fluid effort of a master.
	He makes it look easy, but it's not.
	Which is why we have bosses.
	Shannon Rhodes, our acting senior supervising editor.
	She's not just acting, she's commanding.
	Evie Stone, our executive producer, very commanding.
	Jim Kane, our deputy managing editor.
	These are very unjean-luc Picard.
	When he says, make it so, so we do it.
	Well, that was very bizarre.
	Did they have to fill time?
	I guess so.
	It's only a half-hour show, and you couldn't fill it, I guess.
	But that was that, the people producing that show, how many was that?
	15.
	Oh, I counted 14.
	Yeah, 15.
	15 plus the two of them.
	That's a lot of people.
	Oh, we have thousands of producers.
	Yes, we do.
	We have, that's why we're better.
	And dare I say, that's why they call us the best podcast in the universe.
	Far better than the top 100 from Time.
	People are so mad about that.
	I can't believe people still care what Time magazine says at all.
	Is it even a magazine anymore?
	It's just an online website.
	Oh, that's a good question.
	I think it may just be.
	It's a blog.
	It's a sub stack.
	It's a blog.
	It's a blog.
	Yeah.
	Well, everyone, you know, a couple people got to go to Scotland.
	So, you know, it's good, I guess.
	Yeah.
	I guess.
	I was looking at one.
	Jackie Heinrich, I think's her name.
	And it looks like a completely different person.
	Because when she's in the studio or in the in the country, she's got professional makeup.
	And then she has to, I guess when you're on the Trump trip, they didn't send a makeup artist with her.
	And it's just like, is this the same woman?
	No.
	Yeah, makeup can do a lot.
	Well, since NPR could not stop bringing up Epstein, might as well just play the latest, which we all pretty much know about by now.
	This morning, President Trump is calling the Jeffrey Epstein controversy a scam, accusing Democrats of using unreleased court records to distract from his political success.
	Trump comparing the investigation to the so-called Russia hoax, saying, quote, they have gone absolutely crazy.
	Adding, as things are revealed, and I hope will take place quickly, you will see that it is yet another Democrat conjob.
	But the pressure to release the files is a bipartisan effort.
	Democrats and Republicans demanding answers.
	I want all the information now, man.
	Just put everything out, make it as transparent as you can.
	Release the damn files.
	The Justice Department searching for answers of its own.
	Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche meeting with Epstein's convicted co-conspirator, Galen Maxwell.
	Well, she answered all the questions and answered them honestly.
	The closed-door meeting lasted six hours yesterday and it's expected to resume today.
	Blanche's meeting with the convicted sex trafficker is part of the Justice Department's effort to uncover, quote, information about anyone who has committed crimes against victims.
	Those sources say it was Maxwell who reached out to the DOJ to request the meeting.
	She's currently appealing her conviction to the Supreme Court.
	There were a lot of questions and we went all day.
	And she answered every one of them.
	She never just said, I'm not going to answer, never declined.
	And she answered them all truthfully.
	Truthfully.
	Oh, Joe, you answered every question.
	Truthfully.
	Yeah, I had another report.
	See, for sure.
	This one.
	Yeah, hold on.
	President Trump is spending the weekend at his golf resort in Scotland, where he will celebrate the opening of a new golf course.
	Next week, he will hold meetings on trade with European leaders.
	The trip comes as here at home.
	Trump continues to face questions about the world.
	People should really focus on how well the country's doing, or they should focus on the fact that Barack Hussein and Obama led a coup.
	In Florida, Deputy Attorney General Taunt Blanche, a former Trump criminal defender, has now conducted two closed-door meetings with Epstein's co-conspirator, Ghillene Maxwell, in an effort to quiet criticisms.
	The administration is blocking access to.
	How does that even quell criticism?
	I think it only riles it up.
	To quiet criticisms, the administration is blocking access to the Epstein files.
	Maxwell is serving a 20-year prison term.
	Defense attorney David Marcus said that she is cooperating freely.
	We haven't asked for anything.
	This is not a situation where we're asking anything in return for testimony or anything like that.
	Yet the meetings have raised questions.
	Lindsay, let me play that again.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it's kind of odd one, the way you said that.
	Here we go.
	We haven't asked for anything.
	This is why we haven't asked her anything.
	I thought he just said they talked to her for days on end.
	What I think he's referring to is we haven't asked her to do anything like a quid pro quo.
	Yeah, I understand that's maybe what he meant, but that's not what he said.
	Well, listen to the whole sentence.
	Cooperating freely.
	We haven't asked for anything.
	This is not a situation where we're asking anything in return for testimony or anything like that.
	Yet the meetings have raised questions.
	Liz Oyer, a former U.S. pardon attorney, was fired from the Justice Department in March.
	There's every reason to believe that they are seeking to make some sort of deal with Maxwell that will help them solve this political crisis.
	The president was asked if he is considering a pardon for Maxwell.
	A lot of people are asking me about pardons.
	Obviously, this is no time to be talking about pardons.
	On Friday, a plane flew a banner over the courthouse meeting site, accusing the president and U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi of a cover-up.
	The president has called the scandal a hoax by the Democrats.
	It's a hoax.
	It's a hoax.
	Hoax.
	And so, of course, he keeps telling everybody to look at the coup.
	What's the hoax part?
	I don't mind him calling what the Democrats are doing a hoax, but what specifically is a hoax here?
	Well, from the way I listen and hear the president, something in the papers is a hoax.
	The papers are a hoax.
	It's a hoax.
	It's the list.
	It's a hoax.
	It's all a hoax.
	I don't know.
	And I don't think we will ever really know.
	I did dig up.
	It's very short, unfortunately, in the archives.
	Because the accusation against former President Obama is that he led a coup.
	And the way he led that coup, if you listen to Tulsi Gabbert's endless yaking, oh man.
	On every show.
	There's that sigh.
	Yeah.
	I'll just have an apple in my room.
	On every single show.
	What she's really saying is that the intelligence community came with an ICA, an intelligence community assessment and said, well, there's really no there there.
	And then President Obama said, you voted wrong.
	Go back and get me another assessment.
	And this was admitted by the Dumbo clapper.
	And this is him back in the day on Tapper's show.
	For President Obama, we might not have done the intelligence community assessment that we did that set off a whole sequence of events which are still unfolding today.
	President Obama is responsible for that, and it was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place.
	Oh, there's Clapper.
	Oh, that's a clip of the day.
	Give yourself a round of applause for digging up a historical clip.
	Clip of the day.
	That was a winner.
	How good is that?
	That's outstanding.
	No one has played that clip.
	That is the best thing we've done for weeks.
	Oh, well, we've done other great things.
	We have definitely.
	No, that's the best right there.
	Oh, come on.
	Your tip of the day about mellow leather was good.
	Leather honey.
	Mellow leather.
	Whatever.
	That's a soft drink, I think.
	So there's something that's bothering me about this whole thing because they're always going, they're making a big fuss about, oh, the intelligence community is corrupt and these guys are, you know, they're making a big fuss.
	It seems to me that I don't understand why the pundits out there and the people doing this analysis don't say what's actually happened.
	The intelligence community, and I'm not here to defend them, but they did their job.
	They said there's no collusion going on.
	And it was Brennan who was, yeah, he was a part of the intelligence community in a certain way, but he was running the agency and he was a political guy.
	and who knows, and no one has still ever asked him if he's a Muslim or not, which really irks me because if you look up, go to all the AI and ask him...
	Go anywhere and try to find out whether he's a Muslim.
	You find that there's evidence that he is, but they all deny it.
	And no reporter has ever said, hey, just to clear up the record.
	Are you a Muslim?
	Because they say that when you were in Saudi Arabia as a station chief in Riyadh, you took the oath to uphold the tenets of Islam.
	Yes or no?
	It's not a big deal.
	Just ask him.
	No one's done it.
	But this guy's the one.
	He was the corrupt character there that was running the agency.
	The agency was doing the field people, the people that were the analysts who were doing their job.
	They kept reporting back.
	No, this is bullcrap.
	Nothing's going on with Russia.
	And they said, well, you better get me a report.
	He handpicked a couple of guys that would do his bidding.
	And this is not the, you can't blame intelligence community for this.
	Well, I don't think they're any good.
	Well, that's different.
	Dan Bongino posted a shocking, shocking, shocking memo on X. This is how the headlines advertise it.
	I shall read it for you.
	Shocking.
	I shall read it for you verbatim.
	During my tenure here as the deputy director of the FBI.
	Great.
	Yeah, I'm glad you got this.
	I have repeatedly relayed to you that things are happening that might not be immediately visible, but they are happening.
	The director and I are committed to stamping out public corruption and the political weaponization of both law enforcement and intelligence operations.
	It is a priority for us.
	But what I have learned in the course of our properly predicated And necessary investigations into these aforementioned matters has shocked me down to my core.
	We cannot run a republic like this.
	I will never be the same after learning what I've learned.
	We are going to conduct these righteous and proper investigations by the book.
	That, by the way, is exactly what Susan Rice wrote down in her Cover Your Ass Melwa.
	I think that's a callback to that.
	And in accordance with the law, we are going to get the answers we all deserve.
	As with any investigation, I cannot predict where it will land, but I can promise you an honest and dignified effort at truth.
	Not my truth or your truth, but the truth.
	God bless America and all those who defend her.
	Code Bon Gino.
	Wow.
	What is that?
	That was nuts.
	I saw that.
	That's not so great.
	All caps, by the way.
	Oh, yeah.
	A lot of all caps in there.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I think he's getting a lot of pressure.
	You think.
	And to go back to podcasting, go back to podcasting where you belong kind of thing.
	Where he was doing very well.
	He was great.
	Code Bon Gino.
	Everyone knows it.
	It still gives you a discount on many websites.
	And I, as of a month or so ago, thought that that's where he's headed.
	He was headed back to the biz.
	But I think this is maybe his rationale, his rationale to stick around and be a desk jockey, which is what he is.
	So Mike Baker was on Joe's show.
	You know, Mike Baker, a quote, former CIA operative.
	Mike Baker is more, to me, because he took over that job.
	The Presidential Daily Briefing?
	Yeah, and it's lame by comparison to what it was originally with the other guy.
	Why did he take over?
	What is that about?
	Because the other guy, some things, I have to go back to my notes to figure out why the other guy.
	I know what it is.
	Hey, give me that thing.
	Give me that briefing thing.
	What's out of your mouth?
	No, I don't think that was it.
	The other guy was being, it's owned by some other guys.
	It's like one of these operations.
	It's like Beck or somebody owns it.
	Not Beck, but somebody like Beck.
	And I think Mike Baker is central casting more than he is a spook.
	Well, he just looks the party.
	He looks like Pierce Brosnan.
	I mean, he's got a look to him that is just like, oh, okay, I'm a spy.
	What are those other two guys?
	What's his name?
	The guy with the big braids, you know, the big poofy hair.
	He said he's, you know, he is a former, does he say former, what is his name?
	Everydayspy.com is Andrew Bustamante.
	Oh, yeah, Bustamante.
	That guy.
	That guy.
	F and G. Right there.
	Fake and gay.
	G-H-E-Y.
	And he was talking to another guy with the same hair.
	It's a hair club for men.
	It totally is some kind of hair club for men.
	Anyway, so Mike Baker's on Joe's show.
	I get to say Joe, you know.
	Joe.
	Joe.
	You haven't gotten to Joey yet.
	Oh, no.
	No, no.
	There's no Joey in Joe.
	We don't do that.
	And so that's, of course, and Joe has him on for obvious reasons.
	It's the perfect time for that for Baker to come on because, you know, we all trust Baker.
	But Baker made an interesting point.
	The reality is in terms of recruiting an asset, recruiting an asset by using blackmail is tough, right?
	That window starts closing immediately in terms of their operational usefulness, right?
	Because there's a lot of issues there.
	Right, right.
	When someone says write like that all the time, that just means bullcrap to me, right?
	Right, right, right.
	Like any Silicon Valley guy, this is really the future, right?
	This is really, this is going to change the whole world, right?
	That window starts closing immediately, right, in terms of their operational usefulness, right?
	Because there's a lot of issues there, right?
	You're blackmailing somebody for their cooperation.
	At some point, that's going to go south on you, right?
	It's not like you've recruited somebody for ideological reasons, right?
	Or even something as straightforward as they need the money because their kid's sick, or whatever it may be.
	So blackmails.
	But having said that, look, the Russians in particular love that.
	Now, okay, so I didn't even realize how many times he says right, which is now annoying me to no end.
	It should.
	Oh, it's really bad.
	But what he does here is he, and this feels a bit like a setup to me.
	And I think that there's some validity to that, that, you know, to comp, to turn someone to become an asset with black mail may indeed not be a very secure way.
	It may be a great way to get someone to change their vote.
	To vote a certain way.
	To vote a certain way.
	And I don't know if we're really talking about turning people into assets, right?
	But he brings up Russia at least five times, and I think it was subliminal, right?
	But having said that, look, the Russians in particular love that, right?
	And Chadi's Intel, they'll do whatever works from their perspective.
	You know, the agency, again, people are going to say that's bullshit.
	The agency tries, the blackmail is.
	I've got to dissect this guy now.
	Why would he say people are going to say that's bullshit?
	I didn't think that.
	Did you think that right away?
	No.
	And why did people stutter with Stanward?
	He's like, oh, he's wound up.
	Yes, he is.
	Oh, they'll do whatever works from their perspective.
	You know, the agency, again, people are going to say that's bullshit.
	The agency tries, the blackmail is never really ever on the table as an option because it always leads to a problem.
	And sometimes those problems can be very, very bad.
	In what way?
	What do you mean by that?
	Well, you know, the asset will turn on you, right?
	Next thing they know, you know, you've got an agent working now, a double agent working for the other side, right?
	Because they're so fucked over by the fact that they've been blackmailed.
	And at some point, they lose their shit and decide to roll for the other side.
	Aren't you constantly murdering them and looking at their phone?
	There's only so much you can do, right, in terms of maintaining, particularly with a hard target, particularly with an asset who's in a difficult or challenging environment, you know, Chris, and you've got limited access to them, whatever it may be.
	So you're really relying on clandestine communications.
	You don't have a lot of face-to-face meetings.
	And at some point, you never know when things are heading south, right?
	And then the next thing you know, look, you know, so that's the operational reason for trying to avoid blackmail.
	Has it ever been done?
	Well, sure.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm not saying it hasn't been done.
	Of course.
	But some services go to it much quicker than others do.
	Yeah.
	Which service is it?
	And I would say, well, again, the Russians are primary users of something like that.
	Because they have this shotgun approach.
	Israelis have been known to do that in the honeypot operations that they'll do and other things.
	But the Russians throw a lot of shit at the wall and see what sticks, right?
	That's very much a shotgun approach.
	I don't know.
	He said Russia too much for my liking.
	He said right too much for my liking.
	He's stammering.
	Now, it's possible that he's, I mean, when you hear a guy present like that, he might still be working for the CIA or someone because he seems to be, I think that pattern of that style is that you're constantly worried that you're going to say something you shouldn't say.
	He's all jacked up on something.
	So it was basically a meaningless discussion.
	Right.
	Right.
	And the coincidence of him.
	We learned nothing.
	We learned nothing from that discussion is that maybe blackmail is not the way to go.
	Well, and I'm thinking who's he covering for who's been blackmailed?
	Has he been blackmailed?
	Someone's been blackmailed in this.
	Someone's being blackholed somewhere.
	I mean, blackmailed.
	Mistake with Cornhole.
	Yeah.
	The whole thing is, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if we'll ever know.
	It's all so disappointing.
	That's just the bottom line.
	That's the name of the game.
	It's disappointing.
	It's just disappointing.
	I was talking to Tina about that.
	You know, it's like 17 and a half years, seven years before I even knew you.
	I was all in on this stuff.
	This is going to be great.
	We're going to learn so much.
	It's all going to come out in the wash.
	Nothing ever.
	Ever, ever.
	And really the biggest psyop that's been going on since I'd say 2019, which is still going on today is XRP.
	Ripple XRP.
	Do you recall?
	I mean, you may not recall, but I think I brought it up on the show, probably jokingly even at the time.
	Like, look, I know a guy.
	He's involved with all this money and the money's all going into XRP.
	They have quantum networks.
	They have off-world servers.
	You know, on the moon.
	Off-world servers.
	Yeah.
	They're on the moon.
	And to this day, people are still, oh, no, XRP is going to a thousand.
	Yeah, so like, and that has been around so long.
	It's all these kinds of things, but the, the, it's quantum, it's quantum finances.
	You don't understand.
	This is the stuff you don't get, okay?
	Quantum finances.
	Yeah, the term you don't get it was very prevalent in the late 90s.
	With what?
	Under what circumstance?
	The new economy.
	This is what I was talking about.
	The new economy.
	Yes.
	You don't get it, man.
	This is the new economy, okay?
	This is whole.
	I was doing the show Silicon Spin and these guys would come on and they were intelligent CEOs and they had these crackpot ideas and they were going on and on and I would say and I'd be questioning them as best I could and they say, well, you just don't get it because it's the new economy.
	Yeah, if things are going to change.
	Clicks and mortar, man.
	Clicks and mortar.
	Clicks and mortars.
	Clicks and mortar.
	I forgot about that one.
	What other buzzwords did we have back in the day?
	Oh, I did a whole column of them.
	I have to go dig.
	I should dig it up.
	It's from the late 90s, and it has like 100 of them.
	And they were just one after the other.
	They had nothing.
	It was buzzword.
	It was the buzzword bonanza of the late 90s.
	It was fabulous.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I got to, just you want to take a walk down an interesting topic.
	Okay.
	It's about the post office.
	I have some post office clips, but I want to start it off with an Ask Adam.
	Another thing I was completely unprepared for.
	Okay.
	I got you on your heels.
	Yeah.
	Vivek.
	Here it is.
	All right.
	Okay.
	I'm ready now.
	Answer the question.
	Go.
	All right.
	Okay, first play the Ask Adam question, and I'll ask you the question.
	On this day, 250 years ago, the Continental Congress appointed the first Postmaster General of the United States.
	Okay.
	250 years ago.
	Who was it?
	The first Paul Revere.
	Nice try.
	Let me think.
	The first Postmaster General.
	Don't look it up.
	No, I'm not looking it up.
	Who do you take me for?
	Right?
	Right.
	Because it seems like it's probably going to be something very obvious.
	250 years ago.
	So that was before the Declaration of the As the Declaration.
	I have no idea.
	I presume you have it in the answer.
	Yep.
	On this day, 250 years ago, the Continental Congress appointed the first Postmaster General of the United States, Benjamin Franklin.
	Ah, somehow I could have known that.
	I don't know how, because I could have known it too, because when I heard it, that's where I came with the ask Adam.
	It feels so logical.
	For some reason, it feels logical.
	There's some logic to it, but then there's some illogic to it.
	And I was kind of taken aback enough to put that up to just to embarrass you.
	You don't know anything.
	And the thing is, I don't feel embarrassed at all.
	So fail.
	It's funny.
	Absolutely.
	It's funny how that works.
	I did not at all feel embarrassed.
	All right.
	This post post.
	Post office now is, oh, you know, because Trump is a problem with the post office.
	Why is he a problem with the post office?
	He wants to privatize it, and this is no good.
	No, no, no.
	I mean, don't you have to change the Constitution?
	You basically have to change the Constitution.
	But, you know, it's just, you know, there's workarounds and they're thinking about them.
	And it's just like, no, don't mess with it.
	The post office is fine.
	But let's play these clips.
	There's three clips here that kind of give us what's going on currently.
	David Steiner is the latest person.
	Is Scott, is he on the vacation shift or the summer shift?
	We have Saturday clips.
	He's on Saturday.
	He runs Saturday.
	We have not heard him for weeks, and here he is in two series.
	David Steiner is the latest person to hold the office.
	He is the 77th Postmaster General.
	Before taking office last week, he served on the board of FedEx.
	Personal detail that reignites some worries about postal reforms that some fear could limit or end rural mail service.
	The Midwest Newsroom's Nick Loomis has more on that and a note, USPS is a financial supporter of NPR.
	Quinn Smith walks from her front door to her mailbox and back six days a week.
	It's about a quarter mile.
	I would say it's a relatively short trip to the mailbox for us rural folks.
	She lives outside Scotts Bluff, Nebraska with her husband, Alan, who is recovering from surgery for liver cancer.
	He also suffers from diabetes, arthritis, and the lingering effects of West Nile virus.
	The former Navy corpsman gets most of his medications through the mail from Veterans Affairs.
	Can you find anything?
	We've got a parcel and a bill.
	Former Postmaster General Louis DeJoy curtailed rural mail service with his Delivering for America plan, which he introduced in 2021 to stem annual losses in the billions.
	Still, the deficits persist, and mail delivery is slower due to a reduction in work hours, collection time changes, and the consolidation of processing facilities.
	Alan Smith worries about those changes and cuts made to many other government programs.
	It feels to me like it's coming at me right and left.
	They're trying to destroy everything that supports me staying alive and functioning.
	President Trump has suggested privatizing the Postal Service in both of his terms.
	Most recently, he has said it could be brought under the Department of Commerce.
	Congress set up the agency to be independent of the White House in 1971, and undoing that would require further legislation.
	Even though this Congress has mostly adhered to Trump's agenda, the Postal Service is a touchy political subject for lawmakers from rural states, like Republican Congressman Mike Flood of Nebraska.
	Can it be modernized?
	Absolutely.
	Should it be privatized?
	I'd have to be sold on what the plan was before we went anywhere near that because I know people in rural Nebraska rely on the Postal Service in its current form.
	And currently, the Postal Service self-finances and generally does not count on tax dollars to fill its budget gaps.
	I don't really understand why the Postal Service is always under fire.
	It says it self-finances.
	They're not even using taxpayer money when I heard that part of it, besides the other parts of that crazy clip.
	If I'm thinking, why not?
	I mean, the government costs us money.
	We all know it.
	Everything costs money, but they're all...
	It makes no sense to me.
	Gay sex in Guatemala.
	Was that really a line item in USAID?
	I think it was.
	Czech Doge.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it just, it seems like they.
	The only thing it can be is somebody wants to give somebody a Benny by privatizing, i.e.
	giving it to some other company.
	That's what it's all about.
	It's a scam afoot.
	And that's what's happened all over Europe.
	You know, DHL has taken over a lot of the postal services around the world, actually.
	You know, oh, they can do it much more efficiently.
	They can't.
	What makes them more efficient?
	Nothing.
	They just charge more.
	Do you see what it costs to send something with FedEx?
	Oh, the FedEx is out of control.
	What used to be like, I think it was $6, $8 to letters, which was still pricey.
	It's like $25.
	Yeah, just for afternoon delivery.
	Yeah, it's no good.
	All right.
	Post Office 2.
	Elena Patel of the Brookings Institution says it might be time to reconsider that because it provides a public service.
	Yeah, bring in a think tank.
	Okay.
	We should be willing to compensate the Postal Service for doing that, and we do not currently.
	We don't come close to offsetting the costs of the USO for the Postal Service.
	USO is the universal service obligation, which requires the Postal Service to deliver to every address in the U.S. six days a week, even those on long-distance, low-density rural routes that don't generate much revenue.
	Patel says those costs would likely shift to taxpayers if the USO continued under privatization.
	I think that people in the administration think this is the right thing to do.
	I'm not sure that the American people or American business owners think that.
	She says the exceptions might be private shipping companies and their investors.
	In February, Wells Fargo wrote a report outlining, among other things, how mail and parcel delivery could be divvied up among the government and private companies like FedEx and UPS.
	A Wells Fargo spokesperson said in a statement that it was not recommending privatization.
	However, the American Postal Workers Union thought the report was controversial enough to release an ad about it.
	This is the Wall Street memo that the White House doesn't want you to see.
	A path to privatization of the post office.
	Union President Mark Dimonstein says the timing of the ad coincides with the 250th anniversary of the Postal Service and the arrival of the new Postmaster General, David Steiner, whose appointment was backed by Trump, as reported by the Washington Post.
	It's the old saying, you know, the fox guarding the henhouse.
	Steiner left the board of FedEx to take the job, but a securities and exchange commission filing shows he retained company stock worth millions.
	Oh, no!
	Scoundrel!
	He's going to sell the stock, but it's beside the point.
	That's bullcrap.
	You know, I've always argued this.
	You know, if you worry, I worked for an oil refinery and then I worked for the air pollution district inspecting refineries.
	And all it meant was that I now was on the other side of the fence and I knew a lot.
	So, I mean, I knew more than someone who's never worked at a refinery.
	It's a benefit.
	It was better.
	What was the original, back in Ben's days, what was the original charter of the Postal Service?
	What was the idea?
	The idea was it was important to have a society that had communications with the, that was kind of franchised by the government.
	So everyone was assured that if you had to get a hold of somebody or send somebody something or mail obligations or whatever, it was for communications purposes.
	That was the thank you.
	No, thank you.
	This is good.
	It wasn't about your Amazon packages.
	It wasn't about your beef box.
	It wasn't even about your phone book.
	Remember those?
	It was really about a private communications service.
	And that's why there's such heavy regulation on tampering with the U.S. mail.
	You can't go opening up people's envelopes.
	Right.
	It's illegal.
	It's illegal.
	And they'd love to get rid of that.
	What if the U.S. and this would, I would be all for this.
	What if the U.S. Postal Service modernized, give all the packages to FedEx and Amazon and UPS and whatever.
	It's fine.
	Figure that out.
	Because actually, I think the returns probably kill everybody.
	But what if the U.S. Postal Service ran an email service that was, and they made it easy for everybody to encrypt their messages on their side?
	So none of this like, oh, don't worry, we'll encrypt it in the cloud.
	None of that.
	Just encrypt it on your side.
	And once someone has, you know, so you have, if you want to, if I want to send you an email, I have to have your public key.
	They could provide that directory service.
	So you can easily find someone's public key and then you can receive it.
	And we can have true secure communications.
	And at the same time, with the brand new stablecoin, they charge a very nominal fee for sending a message to someone, which would do two things.
	One, it would, in theory, provide a real secure communication service.
	And this can be done.
	I believe that it can be done without the government still spying on you.
	And two.
	The government wants to spy on you, but continue.
	And two, it would reduce spam because spam would then become unprofitable.
	And even if it was just for bull crap, I would love to have an email box that works with, you know, so if I send 100 emails, I might wind up, you know, spending 10 cents.
	You know, it's fractional and it's digital.
	So you can take your stable coin and you can break it down into little stable coinlets or whatever we're going to call it.
	Pennies.
	No, less than pennies.
	It has to be less than pennies.
	Well, a stable coin is supposed to represent a dollar.
	Yeah, but a fraction, you should be.
	Well, that would be like representing a penny.
	Okay, boomer.
	Is it going to get smaller than that?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Half a penny?
	Yes.
	How about a hundredth of a penny?
	Of course.
	That's the whole beauty of digital money.
	And that way, at least we could have a functioning email system, which would be reasonably secured.
	At least, you know, the only one who could be spying on you is the government.
	Google is worse.
	You won't get advertisements through it.
	I'm just thinking that would be a great way to replace the U.S. postal system, get it off our books, get all the other stuff, don't privatize it.
	Just here, we're not doing it anymore.
	You guys, by the way, you'll see them all go, oh, what?
	You're not good.
	What?
	We don't get government contract.
	No, you got to do it yourself.
	I would be all for that.
	I think that would revolutionize interpersonal communications.
	Yeah, it would, but it's not going to happen.
	The FBI'd be against it.
	Everybody'd be against it.
	Who runs this country?
	The people or the FBI?
	Thank you.
	It ain't the people.
	All right.
	Well, I think it's a platform I could run on.
	You could.
	I mean, I think it'd pay up to a penny.
	Well, that'd be fine.
	I'd pay a penny a message if I knew it was going to get through instead of getting just blocked and spammed and thrown in the junk mail like the newsletter.
	All right, hold on.
	Let me ask you the question.
	So if it's a penny, which is what you are advocating for instead of my fraction of a penny, and you're sending out 30,000 newsletters, how much will that cost you per newsletter?
	A penny, a newsletter.
	No, per person, a penny.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So how many dollars is that?
	$300?
	$300.
	It would be $100.
	No, it'd be $30.
	No, no.
	It would be $300.
	It'd be $300.
	Do you still like your penny or do you like my fraction of a penny idea better?
	Well, for $300, if I could, well, I would actually say for $300, it'd be worth it to get the rate doubled.
	Uh-huh.
	So we'd bring in twice as much in donations.
	It would be worth the $300 easy.
	There you go.
	I've proven my point.
	No, you haven't.
	I've proven something.
	You wouldn't have to pay MailChimp.
	You could just have your own email server.
	MailChimp costs us at least, what, $100 a month at least?
	Try $400.
	Holy mackerel.
	$400 a month for MailChimp?
	Yeah.
	And you know why?
	It's because they have to pay the whitelisting services so you can even get through to Gmail and Yahoo and AOL or whatever else is out there.
	AOL.
	Prodigy.
	So you can get their Prodigy mail.
	CompuServe.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, that was just an idea.
	Just a free idea from Adam.
	For the government.
	To fix everything, to stop this nonsense and stop, and get Scott Simon back to drinking margaritas on the weekend.
	Clip number three.
	The Postal Service Board of Governors Chairwoman told NPR that Steiner is in the process of divesting from, quote, prohibited stocks.
	And in his first message to postal workers, Steiner said, stop, stop.
	Why did he have to say, quote?
	I don't know.
	It's what you're saying.
	Oh, he's going to divest from, quote, prohibited stocks.
	Why didn't he just say they have to divest from prohibited stocks?
	There's no reason for them to say quote.
	Is it like some sort of a, it's like you air quotes and he's like, oh, prohibited bullcrap is a scam?
	That's what it implies.
	Maybe the guy said it that way.
	That's the way I took it.
	Let's listen again.
	I don't think so.
	Let's listen again.
	The Postal Service Board of Governors Chairwoman told NPR that Steiner is in the process of divesting from, quote, prohibited stocks.
	And in his first message to postal workers, Steiner tried to dispel rumors about the changes he would bring.
	First, I do not believe the Postal Service should be privatized or that it should become an appropriated part of the federal government.
	Postal unions say they welcome the statement, but we'll be watching Steiner's actions.
	Rural customers will likely do the same.
	For NPR News, I'm Nick Loomis in Lincoln, Nebraska.
	I'm thinking...
	Yes, of course it was.
	It starts with a bunch of stuff and then it ends with the guy saying, no, that's not going to happen.
	Why are you even doing the story?
	Is what he should have finished with?
	Because they got a $400,000 a year guy sitting on his butt drinking margaritas on the weekend.
	They got to get Scott Simon out to do some work.
	Unbelievable.
	I think I should lobby to be the next postmaster general.
	It would be so easy.
	Shut it down.
	You can take all of our employees.
	They're good employees.
	They're good guys, good guys and good gals.
	Actually, I'd say 99% of them are.
	Oh, definitely.
	I love our mail carrier.
	They're foolish.
	I like the people at the post office.
	They're very friendly.
	Not all, but most of them, they are here.
	Not all.
	There's always one.
	We used to have a post office.
	Wait for it.
	Wait for it.
	I would be the podmaster general.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'm going to skip that story.
	Let's do what else we got here.
	Oh, here's an interesting thing is since I got most of these NPR clips, you have to listen to this NPR beeped.
	This is a very short clip, and I'm scratching my head over this one.
	A quick warning, there are curse words that are un-beeped in today's episode of the show.
	If you prefer a beeped version, you can find that at our website, thisamericanlife.org.
	What?
	Beeped.
	Well, this must be the podcast.
	This wasn't over-the-air, I presume.
	They do not.
	This was taken off the internet, but it was on a website that streams the over-the-air feed.
	Well, but I guess they never played that show anyway, so I couldn't tell if they were cussing or not.
	And what did they bleep and why?
	Well, why didn't you investigate?
	Why didn't you do a deep list?
	And I just thought that was good enough right there.
	I did all the work I felt like doing.
	Are you trying to just get as many NPR clips as possible before they fold?
	It's all going to go away.
	It's all good.
	It's not going to go away because you stuck me on this.
	NPR new donation ad.
	It's not going to go away with ads like this.
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	Thank you.
	Yes.
	Wow.
	That's a horrible ask.
	I'd say half of the programming hour of these ads.
	It's a horrible ask.
	It's not a way to ask.
	It's no good.
	It's no good.
	All right.
	Balls in your court.
	Okay.
	In that case, I'll go to my favorite topic.
	We know that there's already a pivot to quantum computing because...
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Let's do more NPR.
	No, go with quantum, but you're going to hear a lot of moaning and groaning.
	Okay.
	Well, this is only about the facts.
	Another heat wave this week as Com Ed customers in the Chicago area bear not only rising temperatures, but sky-high electric bills.
	Some reporting paying double what they were billed last month.
	On June 1st, a supply rate increase took effect due to a spike in the wholesale cost of electricity and supply charge, as well as increased energy use in the region.
	One reason for that increase?
	We're also seeing nationally, but also in Illinois, the effect of increasing demand on the grid from technologies that have nothing to do with cooling people off.
	It has to do with providing services related to artificial intelligence or AI.
	So data centers that we see building out across the nation.
	We are not going to be operating quantum computers, at least not yet.
	We're going to be delivering power to them.
	Just yesterday, the CEO of ComEd spoke at the Global Quantum Forum in Illinois, referencing the future demand of electricity at the Illinois Quantum Microelectronics Park.
	Quantum computers need to be kept at temperatures near absolute zero to ensure the stability of qubits.
	Cubits!
	We have to ensure the stability of the qubits.
	Turn off your air conditioners.
	Near absolute zero to ensure the stability of qubits.
	That requires a lot of electricity.
	In fact, Comet's nation-leading reliability was a key factor in SciQuantum's decision to be the anchor tenant of the Illinois Quantum and Microelectronics Park.
	This shows you how dumb they are in some parts of this country.
	The Chicago.
	Darren's backyard.
	Yeah.
	But this is happening.
	This is happening.
	A couple of points.
	One, you think that maybe the grid is being taxed by electrical vehicles that are constantly hooked to it, sucking energy off to fill their tanks?
	No, it's got nothing to do with it.
	Also, quantum computing, if it could ever be shown to work as opposed to faked, it uses like one quintillion amount as much.
	It could do one quintillion more than a regular computer.
	So thus, overall, it should require one quintillion less in terms of power once it achieves the You are talking against the narrative of Silicon Valley, my friend.
	This is not how, that's how technology used to work.
	Today, if you wanted to do more, you've got to pay more.
	It's got to be more expensive.
	Got to suck more power.
	So the basic old school of Silicon Valley was things got cheaper and faster and cheaper and faster and smaller.
	Smaller, cheaper, faster.
	Every generation was smaller.
	It was cheaper.
	It was faster.
	But now...
	Every new iPhone is more expensive, ruins your battery quicker, and you've got to upgrade sooner.
	They flipped the script on this.
	I know.
	I mean, I'm with you, obviously.
	I mean, I still have a TRS-100 that runs on two AAs.
	The TR-S-100.
	I didn't use much juice.
	Well, it only had an eight-line L C D display, but man, it could do basic.
	I've actually been doing some deep dives.
	Oh, God.
	There is a resurgence.
	Are you ready for this?
	I'm already sensing what you're going to say.
	Okay, tell me.
	A resurgence in old junk.
	No, no.
	People finding old TRS-8100s and they're repurposing them.
	If only.
	No, I want to run Linux.
	I want to run Ubuntu on my TRS-100.
	That's what I would think.
	People want to run Ubuntu on a TRS-100.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	There's, you know, AI, let's just call it AI, large language models.
	It turns out that it's pretty much the same basic principles going back to 1958 when a guy named John McCarthy invented.
	Take it away, John.
	Before you go on to this, I'm going to say this one thing.
	And I know what you're doing.
	But John McCarthy was on the wrong side of history.
	There were two schools of thought when it came to AI.
	And every time the John McCarthy side had its moment, which was including the 80s, they all failed because it was mostly machine learning and it didn't really have anything to do with anything.
	And the counter to that was always neural networks, which could never work.
	It's neural networks that are working today that make AI what it is, that can do the art and all the rest of it.
	Interestingly enough, there's a resurgence in Lisp programming because they can't seem to get the AI going any further than it is today.
	Yeah, we'll see.
	I'm just telling you, there was a whole conference not Lisp programming.
	Lisp.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Everyone's all-time favorite.
	I'm just telling you that they just had a worldwide conference.
	The AI guys are going back to Lisp because they can't seem to get the neural networks doing any intelligence other than the neural networks, which is giving you your Scaramanga, his eight-second videos, and Darren O'Neill, his orange images.
	And I would like to say, by the way, I have a comment on the orange images.
	I would suggest that somebody show, use Lisp and create some of the art that Darren creates with just a few prompts.
	What, did you not hear what I just said?
	That the neural networks, they are definitely responsible, I'll say it again, for Scaramanga's eight seconds.
	Yeah, I know what you're saying.
	Yes.
	And I'm not arguing that.
	What I'm saying is that if the Lisp is so good that we can go back to it, I want to see it produce some art as good as Scaramanga's.
	No, they want to use Lisp for the reasoning and for the recursive.
	Yes, I'm telling you.
	Well, that's insanity.
	I'm reporting it to you.
	I'm not like advocating for it.
	You might as well be.
	Oh, you're insufferable sometimes.
	I am.
	I'm totally insufferable.
	It's pathetic.
	Well, do you know what the number one language is being used currently today for artificial intelligence, large language models, not for your image crap?
	Do you know what it is?
	The number one language?
	You got me.
	Python.
	Oh, that doesn't surprise me.
	Which is lame by comparison to Lisp.
	Exactly.
	This is exactly why they're going back to it.
	It's fascinating to see.
	Why don't they go back to small talk?
	Apple talk.
	Novell Networks.
	Now that was a technology, I tell you.
	Now we sound like a couple of farts.
	I've decided I'm Ben X. That is my new generation.
	I am not Gen X. I am Ben X. Anyway.
	What's Ben?
	Ben Ben what?
	The B for Boomer, Ben X. Oh, that's interesting.
	Thank you.
	I think Boom X would be better.
	No, no.
	So Sam Altman, our very tortured, tortured multimillionaire.
	Six fiend.
	I don't know if he's a...
	How do you want...
	Isn't he part of that sex cult?
	Am I conflating a bunch of different people?
	You're thinking of the FTX guy.
	You're thinking of Sam Bankman Freed.
	No, no, I'm not thinking of it.
	No, I'm thinking about the group that's still running around here that is sex-oriented.
	Oh, the what were they called again?
	Yeah, them.
	Those guys.
	Someone in the troll room should know what it is.
	Okay, continue talking.
	Say that later.
	Sam Altman, he's doing some pre-promotion for Model 5.
	Model 5, everybody.
	I mean, listen, we just need another trillion dollars.
	Once we have more compute, AI is really effective altruism.
	Thank you very much, Maxibilian.
	Effective altruism.
	No, he's the opposite of that because now he went all in on commercialism.
	He wants to get filthy rich now.
	Remember, they're trying to spin all that out.
	Who doesn't?
	Exactly.
	Sam Altman is doing just fine.
	So Sam needs to explain to everybody that if we just get a little more money, it will really be smart.
	It's blowing me away.
	I'm telling you.
	So where would you go?
	Hey, I have to say that no one has said this.
	I'm going to say it.
	It turns out that Sam Altman is one of the greatest salespeople in the history of sales.
	And no one recognizes the simple fact.
	He is really good at sales.
	I think his pitch is getting old.
	He still works.
	He's still getting money.
	He does it, yes, but he does it.
	I mean, to you, you're like, you know, you can see this, but most people can't.
	I see right through it.
	I mean, the guy is clearly lying.
	You know, he's just sitting there like, he's lying.
	He's lying.
	Salesman lying?
	Oh, no.
	So he goes on, of all podcasts, if you really want to reach the masses, Theo Vaughn, this is a fantastic podcast.
	And I didn't clip this, but at a certain point, Theo Vaughn says, Don't you think it's kind of like old-fashioned for women to have babies?
	I mean, shouldn't we just have them in vats?
	And Sam Alban's like, yeah, you know, obviously we'd have much better humans, obviously.
	So yes.
	And you didn't clip that?
	No, it was too creepy.
	And anyway, so here's his pre-sale.
	These are two very short clips.
	Here's his pre-sale of Model 5.
	But what it comes with, what are you, what do you fear, Sam?
	And Sam is, you know what?
	What's like one of your fears?
	Like, what's a fear you have of AI?
	Like if you have like a fearful space that it could go?
	Like, I know you mentioned it a little bit.
	This morning, I was testing our new model and I got a question.
	I got emailed a question that I didn't quite understand.
	And I put it in the model, this GPT-5, and it answered it perfectly.
	And I really kind of sat back in my chair and I was just like, oh man, here it is moment.
	And I got over it quickly.
	I got busy on to the next thing.
	But it was like, I mean, it's what kind of we're talking about.
	I felt like useless relative to the AI in this thing that I felt like I should have been able to do and I couldn't.
	And it was really hard, but the AI just did it like that.
	Yeah.
	It was a weird feeling.
	Yeah.
	Model five, GPG five.
	I mean, I'm smelling ketamine.
	I mean, I'm smelling ketamine.
	That's probably true.
	I like that.
	So then we get his actual fear, which he doesn't know how to solve.
	Another thing I'm afraid of, and we had a, you know, we had a, you know, a real problem with this earlier, but it can get much worse, is just what this is going to mean for users' mental health.
	There's a lot of people that talk to ChatGPT all day long.
	There are these sort of new AI companions that people talk to like they would a girlfriend or a boyfriend.
	And we were talking earlier about how it's probably not been good for kids to like grow up like on the dopamine hit of scrolling.
	You know, for sure.
	Do you think that how do you keep like AI from having that same effect, like that negative effect that social media really has had?
	I'm scared of that.
	I don't have an answer yet.
	I don't think we know quite the ways in which it's going to have this negative impact.
	Yes, we do.
	But I feel for sure it's going to have some, and we'll have to, I hope we can learn to mitigate it quickly.
	Can AIs, can they pull up pornography and stuff like that too or naturally?
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Oh, my God.
	Sure.
	God, I didn't know that.
	No, it's fine.
	Listen to him laughing.
	By the way, you have to know if Theo Vaughn had a very serious porn addiction.
	Can AIs, can they pull up pornography and stuff like that too?
	Or Nat?
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Oh, my God.
	God, I didn't know that.
	No, it's fine.
	Yeah, but I just, yeah, I don't even need to know that.
	I'm going to have that stricken from my own record.
	So there it is.
	There is his biggest fear, which, of course, he knows all about.
	This is not his fear.
	This is his exit strategy.
	Everybody needs to be talking to their ChatGPT.
	You know, if you pick, if you pull it, I know you don't have an app for it, but if you were to ever install an app on your phone in the drawer, ChatGPT has tabs at the top, and the first one is like general, and the second one is therapy.
	They are literally giving this to people.
	There's a tab that says therapy, and it comes with it.
	Yep.
	Built right in.
	Well, tell us more.
	Well, that's where people go for therapy.
	And then the AI starts talking to you like a therapist.
	This is not regulated.
	Well, no.
	You just can't put a shingle out and say, I'm a therapist without having a license.
	Actually, I think you can.
	I don't think so.
	I think you can.
	Not in the state of California.
	Hmm.
	I'm not sure about that.
	I'm not sure about that.
	You have to be a licensed, either a psychologist or a licensed psychiatrist or a psychiatrist.
	I don't think you need a license for that.
	I don't know.
	MD.
	I mean, I don't know if you need to be.
	It's like Lucy, free advice, five cents.
	Well, there you go.
	Lucy was in violation of the law.
	Let's see.
	Let me ask Grock.
	Yes, ask Grock.
	Grock would know.
	Do you need a license to be a therapist?
	All right, let's find out.
	Yes, you typically do, but it depends on location.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, we have a lot of therapists.
	And some of the things that we're doing.
	Well, some of them should chime in on this bullcrap.
	Yeah.
	Because none of it's good, obviously.
	Well, if it says therapy, they're offering therapeutic services that are unlicensed.
	It says it right there.
	They should sue them.
	The state of California should sue the company over this immediately.
	Well, anyway, the more I look at X, which has Grok essentially built into it, I love the number one question I think posted on X is, at Grok, is this true?
	That's my favorite.
	That's my favorite.
	Yeah, well, that's what you do.
	So the snake is eating its tail continuously.
	And it just seems like you cannot get away from ingesting crap and then just more crap comes out.
	That's just the model collapse to me is just, that's why we have to keep getting it.
	Well, it's just going to be, like you say, if it's going to be model collapse.
	I know.
	Then I'm not worried about it.
	Why are you worried about any of this?
	I'm not, but I have to fill time on this podcast.
	So I might as well.
	That makes sense.
	And when it comes to crap, just, you know, just have a look at my timeline and look at all of the number accounts.
	You know, like Dolores 5972236.
	These are bots.
	There's no one who would accept their username to be Dolores 39226.
	People will try anything.
	If it's Dolores 1960, okay, Boomer Dolores.
	I got you.
	This thing is filled with bots.
	And the more I look at it and the more I see what kind of comments are being made by these bots, the more I am convinced that all of these social networks are now just completely flooded by intelligence agencies massaging a narrative.
	And it doesn't mean that they're doing it for the benefit of the administration.
	They're doing it for the benefit of whatever their messaging is.
	And nothing quite sums it up.
	And why wouldn't you do that?
	Exactly.
	And nothing quite sums it up as the Harvard cyber speech from President Obama, where he was clearly projecting.
	And in hindsight, you're like, wow, this is really taking place right now.
	The Epstein conversation is a part of it.
	The Mossad, Israel, all of this is a part of it.
	In Myanmar, it's been well documented that hate speech, shared on Facebook, played a role in the murderous campaign targeting the Rohingya community.
	Social media platforms have been similarly implicated in fanning ethnic violence in Ethiopia, far-right extremism in Europe.
	Authoritarian regimes and strongmen around the world, from China to Hungary, the Philippines, Brazil, have learned to conscript social media platforms to turn their own populations against groups they don't like, whether it's ethnic minorities, the LGBTQ community, journalists, political opponents, and of course autocrats like Putin have used these platforms as a strategic weapon against democratic countries that they consider a threat.
	People like Putin and Steve Bannon for that matter.
	Understand it's not necessary for people to believe this information in order to weaken democratic institutions.
	You just have to flood a country's public square with enough raw sewage.
	You just have to raise enough questions, spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorizing that citizens no longer know what to believe.
	Once they lose trust in their leaders, in mainstream media, in political institutions, in each other, in the possibility of truth, the game's won.
	And as Putin discovered leading up to the 2016 election, our own social media platforms are well designed to support such a mission, such a project.
	Russians could study and manipulate patterns in the engagement ranking system on a Facebook or a YouTube.
	And as a result, Russians, state-sponsored trolls, could almost guarantee that whatever disinformation they put out there would reach millions of Americans.
	And that the more inflammatory the story, the quicker it spread.
	Yeah.
	And that's being done today, right now, by our own intelligence community.
	It's done by Obama's boys.
	The Cloward pivon strategy.
	The digital version.
	It's a digital version of it completely.
	Yeah.
	And it's working.
	It kind of expressed how it works.
	It clogged the sewers.
	Yeah.
	And it's working.
	And how do you make it even crazier?
	Add AI.
	Just add some scaramanga images.
	I don't think it makes it crazier.
	It just makes it easier.
	No, easier for them to do, yes.
	Yeah.
	But I think it accelerates.
	I mean, you made me laugh so hard the other day.
	You know, you should have someone watching you when you post on X. Which one?
	What post got you?
	The one where you said, who is this woman next to Trump?
	How come she's never mentioned?
	It was Melania.
	I didn't do that.
	I said, this picture shows up a lot.
	Who is this woman next to Trump?
	And I wanted somebody to tell me.
	Oh, okay.
	And I was like, it's clearly Melania.
	It doesn't look anything like her.
	Oh, it's totally Melania.
	It doesn't look anything like her.
	And it has to be pre-2004.
	He wasn't dating her then.
	I don't know how long he's been dating.
	Well, that doesn't mean that that.
	What do you mean?
	It has to be pre-2004.
	Because he broke up with Epson as a new, it's documented in 2004.
	He never saw him again.
	Well, when did he?
	More spoke to him after 2004.
	That was the date.
	You got to get all the clips you want.
	When did he start dating Melania?
	Well, it had to be after Marla Maples.
	And when did he divorce Marla Maples?
	Well, let's find out when he told me.
	I'm trying to look at your timeline.
	Your timeline is 100% TikTok crazy videos.
	I can't even find the Melania video.
	Oh, my goodness.
	You're out of control.
	It's not a video.
	It's still photo.
	Who is this woman?
	Question mark.
	I constantly see this photo of Trump from 20 plus years ago.
	Who is this woman he is with?
	Why is she never identified?
	Well, what's wrong with that?
	Well, it's clearly Melania.
	It's not clearly Melania.
	It doesn't look anything like her.
	It looks exactly like her.
	When did they first start dating?
	Let's see.
	Yeah, look at it.
	You do that and I'll look at Marla Maples when she was divorced.
	Okay.
	Well, that doesn't mean he wasn't hanging out with her at the time.
	Here, Zampoli introduced her to Donald Trump in 1998.
	she began dating Donald Trump shortly thereafter.
	Melania.
	Melania was dating Donald Trump in 1998?
	I didn't say that.
	Zampoli, Paolo Zampoli, I'm sure a fine individual, introduced her to Trump in 1998.
	She began dating Donald Trump shortly thereafter.
	Trump worked to get Melania modeling jobs, and she supported him during his 2000 presidential campaign.
	They were married in 2005.
	So your timeline works.
	Okay, but...
	Maybe I'm completely wrong.
	And she's changed her look, which wouldn't surprise me.
	Well, she's 25 years older or 20 years older than the picture she was in.
	Marlon Maples got divorced in 1999.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Because he was dating Melania in 98.
	Hello.
	So the timeline works.
	Okay, so you got me.
	Well, now I know.
	I wonder who this picture of this woman was.
	It's Melania.
	It's so funny.
	Okay, well, now I didn't know.
	That's why I asked.
	That's what I use Twitter for.
	I use it for a point of information.
	I see this picture keep showing up over and over and over again, and nobody identifies.
	And they say, here's Trump with Epstein, and Epstein's with Ghislaine, and there's no mention of the woman.
	You use Twitter to A-B test crazy TikTok videos to play on One America News.
	It's your testing ground.
	Do you see how many, what people like it the most?
	Have you been on her show?
	Yeah, I was on again last Friday.
	I missed it.
	I need to see it.
	Good.
	just grouse about it.
	I think it's...
	You need to get an act together.
	This is why I'm grousing.
	You'd be perfect.
	You need a hat.
	We already discussed that.
	Scolded tech grouch.
	Yeah, you got to do a little crazy voice and you got to say, you know, you got to have a catchphrase.
	You don't have a catchphrase.
	I don't have a catchphrase.
	So your catchphrase should be, who are these women?
	That should be your catchphrase.
	Plus, not always just women.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Anyway.
	I got a gem lined up next time I'm on.
	I noticed you've stopped bringing them to the show.
	You're like, I'm not giving away my good stuff here.
	No, that's because, no, I have an outlet for it that's other than the show because you grouse and moan and groan and make my life.
	I'll bring the next show is going to be loaded with TikToks.
	Loaded with TikToks.
	No, the next show on Thursday is going to be our exit strategies, which is even better than TikToks.
	Even better.
	It'll give a lot of people good ideas.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	We're full of them.
	We're full of it.
	You're right.
	Or hours worth.
	All right.
	What's the Bove controversy?
	What is that?
	Okay, this is the guy that they're making a big fuss about this guy.
	He is the Trump lawyer who helped him out in some city.
	Well, it's all explained in these clips, but he wants to make him a member of one of the circuit courts of appeal, and everybody's fighting against it.
	And they ram rotted it through the committee.
	And the committee, the Democrats and the committee, this is where the committee walked out.
	Oh, I missed all of this.
	This is the drama, high drama.
	How did I not catch this?
	Oh, the walkout was the best because you had Hiromo and were bitching and moaning.
	And what's his name?
	The black guy who's always yelling and screaming who did the 17-hour filibuster, whose name for some reason eludes me.
	Yeah.
	Corey Booker.
	Corey Booker.
	So Corey Booker's, this is outrageous.
	This is outrageous.
	And then they all left and it was a big stink because they were trying to get this guy through.
	So let's listen to clip one.
	President Trump helped reshape the federal courts during his first term in office.
	And he relied heavily on the Federalist Society in that effort, which helped him zero in on judges with a conservative, originalist interpretation of the Constitution.
	Now the nomination's machinery is restarting, and Trump's most controversial judicial nominee is only one step away.
	What outlet is this?
	NPR.
	So they just say Trump.
	They don't say President Trump anymore.
	They just say Trump.
	No, no, it's just NPR.
	They hate Trump.
	Okay.
	And they should mention they talk about the Federalist Society and Trump's not using him as much as he used to.
	And they never mentioned the reason, which is Amy Comey Barrett, who did, who's been kind of on the fence.
	She's not that conservative on a lot of issues.
	Yeah, that's why he stopped using the Heritage Foundation because they boned him.
	Well, it's the federalists, this group here that really- Yeah, I'm different.
	Yes, they boned him.
	They boned him.
	They boned him.
	Boned him.
	And Trump's most controversial judicial nominee is only One step away from the federal bench.
	I'm joined by NPR's Carrie Johnson for a look at what Emil Bovey could tell us about Trump's approach to judges in his second term.
	Carrie, welcome.
	Hi, Juana.
	So, Carrie, start if you can by just telling us who Amil Bovey is and why his nomination.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm so irritated.
	I'm hearing Emil Bovey.
	I'm so irritated by this.
	What happened in news where you just went like, okay, with us, we have John C. Dvorak.
	John, tell us exactly what's going on here.
	When did it have to become hi, Amy?
	Hi, hi, Nanny, hi, Bibi, hi, Jamie.
	Hi, Snowy.
	Why is that?
	It doesn't, it just wastes my time.
	About Trump's approach to judges in his second term.
	Carrie, welcome.
	Hi, Juana.
	So, Gary, start if you can by just telling us who Anal Bovey is and why this nomination is so controversial.
	Well, he's got some pretty strong credentials.
	He graduated from Georgetown Law School, did a couple of clerkships with conservative federal judges, and then got a job in what might be the most prestigious U.S. attorney's office in the entire country in Manhattan.
	And, of course, he went on to defend Donald Trump in his various criminal cases.
	The White House Communications Director says Amel Bovey is supremely qualified and a man of integrity.
	He says there's nobody more capable for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.
	And at his confirmation hearing, Bovey told senators he's been misunderstood.
	I am not anybody's henchman.
	I'm not an enforcer.
	I'm a lawyer from a small town who never expected to be in an arena like this.
	It's AMOL.
	A-M-A-L.
	AMOL or E-E-M-I-L.
	What is it?
	Aimal?
	Emil.
	I like the other one.
	Yeah.
	So this guy, they make a big fuss.
	First, they give his credentials.
	He's fine.
	But no, no, no.
	Because he defended Trump.
	Ah, that's the problem.
	That's the problem.
	Yeah, here we go.
	But Bovey also ran into some complaints from colleagues and defense lawyers.
	Right.
	And if I understand, Terry, he's also had an outsized role in his brief time at the Department of Justice.
	Is that right?
	He's the right-hand man to the Deputy Attorney General, which basically means all the day-to-day management of the Justice Department, both the big cases and policies, all of that ends up on his desk.
	And there's been a lot going on this year, from firing prosecutors who worked on those January 6th cases to walking away from the corruption case against New York City's Mayor Eric Adams.
	A federal judge said the decision to drop that case smacked of a bargain where DOJ would move to dismiss the case and Mayor Adams would help advance Trump's aggressive deportation agenda.
	900 former Justice Department lawyers have urged the Senate to vote no on Amel Bovey.
	I spoke with Stacey Young, who spent 18 years inside the DOJ.
	She now runs a group that connects people there with legal and ethics advice.
	By voting to confirm Amil Bovey to a lifetime appointment, they would be doing more than just placing someone problematic on the bench.
	They would be giving their stamp of approval on everything that's happened at DOJ in the last six months.
	And that is simply unacceptable.
	You know, what is wrong with these people?
	Well, my question is, we've had a lot of famous Emils.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Like, wasn't there a chef?
	A chef named Emile?
	Lagasse.
	Emile Lagasse.
	What other famous Emile Berliner?
	I'm trying to think of other.
	But they've always pronounced it Emile.
	Why is he now Emil?
	Which, of course, we all know sounds like Emil.
	Yeah, that's why.
	You just answered your own question.
	They're really doing this on purpose?
	This is horrible.
	This whole report is horrible.
	Defund them.
	What?
	What?
	Oh, it's too late.
	Yeah.
	Oh, that was Emerald.
	I'm sorry.
	It wasn't Amal.
	It was Emerald.
	Emerald Agassi.
	Emerald.
	Emerald Agassi.
	Yeah, but they said Emerald.
	Emu.
	It's Amal.
	Your point is well taken.
	They're saying anal.
	They are.
	It's an outrage.
	I'm outraged by our national public radio.
	Three.
	Carrie, we know that President Trump appointed a whole lot of judges during his first term.
	So how does Bovey compare?
	During Trump's first term, Trump confirmed more than 200 judges with help from Senator Mitch McConnell, largely relying on a list the Federalist Society helped create.
	But Bovey's not a member of the Federalist Society.
	He's loyal to Trump and close to people in the White House, though.
	That's what worries Greg Nunziata, who helped advance judicial nominees as a Republican Senate aide.
	He now works as executive director at Society for the Rule of Law.
	I think there are reasons all Americans should be concerned about judges coming to the bench with political agendas and outcome-motivated orientation to judging.
	That should concern everybody.
	Yeah, you know, go on X, dude.
	No one cares about anything anymore.
	It's all slop.
	And by the way, Trump did 200 judges.
	Biden did 235 in his term.
	Yeah.
	Well, of course, they will not mention that.
	And all of them were appointed.
	They were all liberals.
	Auto pen.
	So it wasn't actually Biden.
	Well, somebody did.
	Somebody gave instructions.
	But yes.
	Well, of course.
	So this is bogus, but let's go and wrap it up here with a couple more.
	It's especially notable that President Trump is breaking with the Federalist Society because that group has been just extremely successful at stacking the federal bench with very conservative judges, right?
	That success helped culminate in a six to three conservative supermajority on today's Supreme Court.
	That effort began over a generation ago in law schools, and it continued all the way through Donald Trump's first term in office, where nominees with conservative track records were closely vetted.
	Their writings were tracked.
	The idea was to ensure these very conservative lawyers would stay conservative and avoid the kind of drift that, say, former Justice David Souter and former Justice Sandra Day O'Connor may have represented.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, given The fact that the Federal Society has been so successful, tell us why Trump soured on it.
	I think there's a simple reason.
	There are hundreds of cases that have been filed against the Trump administration this year, challenging his policies, his immigration agenda, the efforts to remake the federal government.
	And the president has really been frustrated with lower court judges who ruled against him, judges that were appointed by both Democratic and Republican presidents.
	Trump went so far as to attack Leonard Leo, the longtime Federalist Society official, in a social media post this year as he was losing in the lower courts.
	Trump called him a sleazebag.
	You know, the mistake these guys make is they're not really explaining what's going on.
	No.
	Dumb hicks in Texas like me, I don't understand any of this and I don't care.
	Like Judge Schmudge, Amo Nitrate, whatever.
	So they get the Federalist Society.
	Now, what gets me here, and you do know what's going on, what gets me here is that they're bitching and moaning about the Federalist Society the first go-round.
	Now they're bitching and moaning that he's cut them loose.
	Yeah, why is he doing that?
	That's no good.
	You can't do that.
	Whatever he does is bad.
	So this is the last clip.
	We'll just point out here that judges are supposed to be independent of the president who appointed them.
	They're not political actors.
	Kerry Johnson, how do you expect this to shape the judiciary, given the fact that these are lifetime appointments?
	Well, the Senate has already confirmed Trump's first federal judge.
	Several more are in the pipeline.
	There are fewer judicial vacancies now than in Trump's first go-round in the White House.
	And there's also some evidence judges may be delaying their retirement so their replacements are not picked by Trump.
	I mean, there are hundreds of federal judges.
	Bovey is just one person.
	So is his confirmation really likely to make a difference in how Trump's policies there in court rinse?
	Yeah, this is a fair point.
	I've been talking with experts.
	They tell me appeals court judges sit on panels of three, so any one judge is not going to tip the balance of power.
	But if and when the president gets a vacancy on the Supreme Court, that nominee could have a lot more influence.
	It's not clear Amel Bovey would be at the top of Trump's list.
	But people in the legal community tell me they think it's a possibility.
	Trump has been winning a lot this year in the Supreme Court, and that's ultimately where this matters.
	What do you mean?
	What about Ted Cruz?
	I thought he was next in line.
	Well, that'd be a good idea.
	Please get him out of Congress.
	The great thing about Ted Cruz is he wouldn't be talking on television anymore.
	Because Supreme Court justices don't typically do that.
	They write their opinion or their decision.
	Well, what's her name?
	Jackson does.
	No, that's true.
	I had an experience with our justice system this past weekend.
	Oh, you got pulled over for what?
	No, I took my first trip to a federal correction facility in Texas.
	Well, how long did they lock you up?
	No, to visit a friend of mine who's in for 10.
	Oh, this is the doctor.
	Yeah.
	Who we're hoping, you know, there's appeal and all kinds of stuff.
	He definitely got railroaded.
	Yeah, a doctor who got railroaded.
	And now, you know, yeah, it happens.
	So, but he's in the camp.
	The camp.
	The camp?
	Yeah.
	You know, it's like this, oh, it's the minimal lockup.
	And, you know, so, and I've never been out there, it's like two and a half hour drive.
	So, and then I've been told, okay, you know, you got to arrive at this time.
	Otherwise, they won't let you in.
	You can't go in with anything.
	You can't have your phone on you.
	It was like, okay, it's fine.
	So I guess my gun is out.
	Yeah, okay.
	So can't have any of that.
	You have to have a clear bag, a clear bag with your driver's license so they can see it and dollar bills, only dollar bills for the vending machine.
	You know, because I guess that's the only thing you can eat there is from the vending machine in the visitor's office.
	And they have me all, I took my belt off, you know, I'm all jacked up.
	like oh what's this you know Well, this is, I didn't know what to expect, but the way it was presented to me, I was, I was, you know, cautious.
	So I walk up, you open the doors, double opening doors, and right there, boom, you're, you're in the room with all the inmates and their visitors.
	It's like a DMV waiting room.
	And, and, you know, and so, and the, and the, the welcome desk is at the far side of the room.
	There's no scanner.
	I mean, I could have walked in with anything.
	And I, you know, I asked for my inmates.
	And then what do you think the guy says to me?
	I don't know.
	What would he say?
	You got any cool stories on Ozzy?
	On what?
	Ozzy.
	Ozzy Osborne.
	Oh, they knew who you were.
	These guys are like, oh, hey, tell me about the story.
	Tell me where you met Ozzie.
	And it was the most laid-back thing I've ever witnessed.
	It was surprising.
	There's people in there bringing in Kentucky Fried Chicken and just everyone's having parties.
	It was nothing that I could suspect.
	It didn't sound like anything.
	Why did they give you the prepping that was inaccurate?
	Well, I guess there's difference in guards.
	You can have some of the psychos, and I guess it was not psycho day.
	But even so, I mean, there's no security pretty much.
	I mean, obviously the whole thing sucks.
	But it was quite interesting to witness.
	Well, that I was going to say that transitions nicely to the alligator alley stories.
	Oh, yeah.
	Did I say alligator alley?
	You did.
	And alligator alley is something completely different.
	To me, alligator alley means I'm going back to 1997, 1996, think new ideas in New York.
	We didn't know each other then, where we were growing out of our.
	Oh, we actually did, if it was 97.
	We met in 93.
	Right, but that was just a meeting on the.
	No, no, yeah.
	No, yeah.
	That was a two-year business.
	That was like a show business meeting.
	We bumped into business.
	Big fan of your work, man.
	Big fan of your work.
	Big fan.
	You're the best.
	Yeah, you're.
	Oh, man.
	You're so awesome.
	No, this is Think New Ideas.
	We had 100 people in the New York office, and we were building out a second floor.
	We were growing so fast.
	And so we had all of these coders who were basically building websites for Reebok and, you know, Johnson and Johnson, Tampax.com, and just doing HTML.
	this was when you could still charge a company like that $150,000 a month for maintenance.
	We're going to maintain your website.
	The good old days.
	The good old days.
	And so you had all of these chair backs on either side of this aisle.
	But if you walked in between...
	between them and someone happened to slide their chair back, boom, you get caught.
	That was Alligator Alley.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wow.
	It was a long walk.
	Okay.
	I have a couple of clips, but including the bonus clips.
	The two of them.
	But let's play these first, these other ones.
	Because the bonus clips are quite funny.
	But this is the first.
	Again, the NPR.
	This is again Scott and his buddy.
	This is the first NPR Alligator 1.
	Florida Governor Ron DeSantis says the first deportation flights have begun from the new migrant detention center referred to by President Trump and others as Alligator Alcatraz.
	The remote facility in the Everglades has come under intense scrutiny and generated controversy.
	Some people now detained there allege harsh treatment by guards.
	Tim Padgett with our member station WLRN in Miami has been following the story.
	Tim, thanks for being with us.
	Thank you, Scott.
	First, please remind us how this detention center came about and immediately became a source of controversy.
	Well, it was a very sudden action taken by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis late last month out on an idle airstrip in the remote Everglades where the concept was that detainees would, of course, be met by alligators and other wildlife if they try to escape.
	President Trump and DeSantis hope it will serve as a sort of punitive showcase to deter illegal immigration.
	Critics say it's just one more piece of performative demonization of immigrants.
	And although Alligator Alcatraz is for immigrant detention, which is supposedly a federal function, it's run by Florida's Division of Emergency Management.
	But apparently, DeSantis is going to tap into federal FEMA money to reimburse Florida for the $450 million cost of its first year of operation.
	I'm just, it's abhorrent that they say immigrants.
	It's not these illegal deportees, whatever you want to call them.
	It's not to trivialize the idea of it being an airstrip.
	Which is critically important because you take them right out, you fly them away.
	Well, I know, but it's not, but this air, this so-called airstrip is actually a 10,000-foot runway that was designed for the Concorde.
	Do you know that?
	I didn't know it was designed for the Concord, but it's a proper runway, yeah.
	Yeah, it's a big old, not an air, you know, to me, an airstrip is a grass strip.
	The grass strip.
	Yeah, you got like, yeah, all right, we're flying the drugs into the airstrip.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Yes, it's a huge runway that's sitting there, idle.
	So they figured they'd use it for something.
	Why don't they just say newcomers again?
	We should go back to newcomers.
	That would be even better.
	That would be better.
	Newcomers.
	Either way, a big reality is that it's a hastily constructed tent structure with caged cells for up to 5,000 detainees.
	So detainees have complained of substandard food, large mosquitoes, overflowing toilets.
	Stop.
	So I witnessed what our non-newcomers go through.
	It's junk.
	It's crap.
	By the way, do you know what the currency is in the pen?
	Do you know what they used to do?
	Well, it used to be cigarettes.
	Yeah, it's now max.
	Max.
	I don't know what a max is.
	Mackerels.
	Mackerels.
	Yes.
	So they buy mackerels.
	You can buy them an individually wrapped mackerel.
	You're talking about a fish.
	Fish, yes.
	Yes.
	And so, hey, how much if I could make that not the not the okay, I don't want to use that example.
	But, you know, there's stuff.
	If you want stuff inside, if you want someone to do something, you know, they have to have a currency.
	All, all, all societies, even incarcerated, have a currency.
	And in this particular facility, it's mackerel.
	And so that's.
	Oh, that's got a stink to high heaven.
	Well, they're packaged.
	They're packaged.
	And so that'll cost you three mac.
	This is the funniest thing that you've said for a while.
	What, that it's packaged?
	No, that there's mackerels being passed around.
	It's currency.
	Yes, it'll cost you three max.
	Okay, three max.
	And then at the end, some of these guys, they make sushi out of the mackerels.
	And they make it with that.
	What's that orange rice?
	Like chemical rice, basically.
	So it'll take some of that.
	I have no idea what you're talking about.
	Yeah, but basically they take Cheetos and they wrap it all.
	My buddy was telling me the whole thing and they make sushi out of it.
	There's all kinds of shenanigans going on.
	But I love that the mackerels is the currency.
	It just proves that anything can be a currency.
	And they use mackerels.
	I thought you'd like that.
	All right.
	I did.
	I liked it a lot.
	Back to your clip.
	Scant air conditioning, lights on continuously, a lack of access to showers, and especially access to lawyers who say they're not allowed in the facility and can only engage their detainee clients by phone or Zoom.
	And I gather this week you spoke with a Nicaraguan migrant inside the detention center.
	What did he say?
	Well, he's a 21-year-old asylum seeker who says he came to the U.S. border in 2023 as a student protester fleeing Nicaragua's brutal Ortega dictatorship.
	Asylum seeker who did not go through the asylum seeking process.
	I'm so sick of these people.
	He asked that his name not be used for fear of government retaliation here.
	He'd been arrested in Fort Lauderdale before this for improper exhibition of a firearm, but he was not convicted.
	So he's one of the hundreds of non-criminal migrants in Alligator Alcatraz, which is a facility that was supposedly for criminal officers.
	Let me listen again.
	These words are...
	They're being propagandized with lies and fake language.
	Let's listen again.
	One of the hundreds of non-criminal migrants in...
	You may be a non-criminal illegal alien, but you're not a non-criminal migrant.
	This is, this is, I'm sick of these people.
	One of the hundreds of non-criminal migrants in Alligator Alcatraz, which is a facility that was supposedly for criminal migrants only.
	And he claims that after a shouting match with guards last Saturday over detainee clothing regulations, one of them called the man who is black the N-word, and they shackled his hands and feet.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, they do a lot worse to our American citizens in the Penn.
	I can testify to that.
	It's unbelievable, these reports.
	Wait till you hear the nonsense from CNN, which is coming up.
	This is the third clip from NPR.
	He says they then put him outside in what they call the box, a four by four foot square, he said, directly in the hot Florida sun.
	Yeah.
	Known as the shoe.
	The shoe, man, the special housing unit.
	Here's what he told me.
	They changed me to the ground.
	I was in the sunlight from one o'clock to like 7 o'clock in the evening.
	This is unhuman.
	They treat us like we criminals like murders.
	We just immigrants.
	Now, he claims that when a fellow detainee from Honduras complained to the guards about this punishment, they did it to him too.
	Of course, Jim, it's hard to verify what the detainees say when there's little access for journalists.
	What?
	I said it was hard to verify, but we'll report it as facts.
	Of course.
	To him, too.
	Of course, Jim, it's hard to verify what the detainees say when there's little access for journalists or lawyers in that place.
	How do officials respond to these allegations?
	That's right.
	But the Florida Division of Emergency Management categorically denies the claims of punishment as, quote, false.
	It insists that Alligator Alcatraz guards do not punish detainees and that they follow all proper prison, state, and federal protocols.
	But the other significant response has been from Florida Republicans who insist the public needs to remember that this is essentially a prison where many, if not most, of the detainees do, in fact, have criminal histories and that it's not supposed to be, as the Florida House Speaker said recently, a, quote, five-star resort.
	No.
	My goodness.
	Okay, so we're getting to these reports.
	At CNN, I have these two bonus clips.
	I want to play the first one because the first one is actually a Woody Allen joke.
	Okay.
	Yesterday, the air conditioning went out.
	We had the whole morning without air conditioning.
	Lots of mosquitoes came in because they get in from all sides.
	Multiple detainees say they don't get enough food, though they're served three meals a day, and that water is limited.
	Scan our braces, we go into the food hall.
	The food is very terrible here.
	Very, very, very small portions.
	I don't know.
	The food is bad, and the portions are so small.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's an old Jewish joke.
	Yeah, well, that is way over everybody's head.
	Even mine.
	Well, that's why I explained it.
	I'm not a Woody Allen guy.
	So let's go to...
	And here we go to the second part of this, which is more complaining, this time about the water pressure.
	We've eaten as late as 10 at night.
	The food at night is cold, too.
	There's never a hot meal.
	Showers are located in a separate tent, and opportunities to shower there are scarce, according to the detainees we spoke with.
	All the showers are connected to the same water source.
	There's barely any water pressure.
	So we have to literally put ourselves on the wall right next to the water drainage so we can at least get hit with water.
	Oh, man.
	They have no idea.
	You're lucky you're in federal lockup or in lockup that is maintained by the government.
	My buddy's in a commercial prison where everything is scammed.
	Everything is the cheapest, the most rotten, out of order, not working.
	And the media, especially CNN and NPR, they're on the side of the immigrants.
	We're sick of the immigrants.
	Immigrants.
	Immigrants, the asylum seekers.
	The asylum seekers, newcomers.
	Yeah.
	I mean, okay.
	It sucks.
	I know that nobody likes seeing any, and we're nice Americans.
	No one likes to see anyone being rousted or arrested for trying to find a better life.
	But I'm sorry.
	If you don't do it, you get Europe.
	And President Trump is right.
	They are collapsing.
	They're collapsing.
	And we still have a shot, still have a shot.
	And because of these reports, NPR, this is why you have women screaming at ICE agents, you're kidnapping him.
	You're kidnapping him.
	It's like, oh, man.
	Who's going to do my dishes?
	Hunter.
	Who's going to mow my lawn?
	You know what?
	I got a kid who mows my lawn.
	He's an American.
	You have a lawn?
	Yeah, we got three acres.
	That doesn't mean you have a lawn.
	It's all grass.
	Yeah.
	If I had three acres, it'd be three acres of vines.
	Yeah, no, the whole wine thing here is a joke.
	Vines.
	What Texas wine did you have recently?
	Well, there used to be one good winery.
	Actually, there's the Preston up in the Panhandle.
	Yes, the High Plains.
	Yeah, that's where they, because it's cooler at night.
	It's too warm down here.
	Although that is changing.
	Climate change is helping us in that regard.
	So while we're kind of on this topic, President Trump just signed an executive order, which I think is a really good one.
	Let's see, where's this report from?
	I'm sure no doubt.
	Oh, it's KTLA.
	No doubt it's skewed.
	But it's funny how...
	Yeah.
	And then they also have Gavin Newsenham in here going like, oh, I have been saying this for years.
	so the executive order is not just get all the homeless off the streets and throw them in the river.
	No, he's bringing back medical institutions for those who are addicted, for those who have mental issues, which is probably a lot of them.
	And I think the addiction issue is the best because the only solution we've seen from cities like Los Angeles or counties like Los Angeles, same goes for Austin, Dallas, Houston, all Democrat cities, Democrat-run cities, I think.
	All of them, I think so.
	Has always been, we'll give them a safe place to shoot up.
	Let's make sure they have safe drugs, which we saw.
	Safe needles.
	Which we saw fail in Europe in the 70s.
	Oh, the methadone bus.
	We'll just have the methadone bust come by.
	That didn't work.
	No, it doesn't work.
	It doesn't.
	It really doesn't.
	But it's the humane thing to do.
	No, the humane thing is to bring back, I guess, in essence, one flew over the cuckoo's nest, only make it better.
	I mean, that went away with what, Reagan?
	Reagan was the one who just got sick and tired of people complaining about it, and he closed all of the mental institutions.
	Yeah, Reagan got sick and tired of people complaining about it, especially out here in California.
	Oh, no, everybody's good.
	They're just grabbing people off the street and locking them up because they're nuts.
	And Reagan got sick of it, and he's basically turned it around.
	Okay, if you don't want people being in the mental institution, we'll just leave them out in the public.
	It was a bad decision, but that's what, yeah, I blame Reagan.
	Yeah.
	So President Trump has demanded money be redirected.
	So the executive order is a lot more extensive than what you're hearing in these reports.
	Yeah, that new executive order from the president aimed at making it easier for cities and states across the country to remove homeless people from the streets.
	We want to get straight to that language of the order from the White House so you can see a little bit of it for yourself.
	It says it is targeted at removing, quote, vagrant individuals from our streets and redirects federal funds towards programs that tackle substance abuse.
	This order seeking to shift federal grant funding to states and cities that enforce prohibitions on urban camping, enforce prohibitions on drug use, and adopt policies allowing people with serious mental illnesses or substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment.
	The governor responding to Trump's new export order.
	Oh, no, they're forcing them into treatment.
	This is inhumane.
	Substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment.
	The governor responding to Trump's new executive order saying it is more.
	Remember, were they giving them free tents?
	That was the big idea in Austin.
	Oh, we should give them tents so they're nice and warm.
	Free tents is what we do.
	No!
	These people need serious help.
	Substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment.
	The governor responding to Trump's new executive order.
	I love that.
	What?
	I mean, it's funny to say forced in the, we're going to forced in the treatment.
	These are American citizens.
	Well, yes, we need to, sometimes you need to pick somebody up and say, all right, buddy, we're going to help you.
	And we're going to do it in a different way.
	Oh, you don't, don't, you're, you're unhousing them.
	You're moving their house.
	No, it's ruining it for the rest of us.
	Yeah, well, I mean, that, that's, this is, this executive order overrides all of that nonsense.
	And money, and he's putting money to it.
	I like that.
	Now, will it be more lame nonprofits that never want to get rid of their clients?
	Yeah, that's what's going to end up.
	Unfortunately, because there's a lot of programs that work, see Community First Village right outside of Austin.
	Which brings us to a story that we don't have any clips for.
	And I should have gotten clips.
	You don't have any clips.
	I have any clips about the $100 million of fire aid in Los Angeles that went to nonprofits and NGOs and disappeared.
	We'll continue with this outrage.
	Mental illnesses or substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment.
	The governor, responding to Trump's new executive order, saying it is more focused on creating distracting headlines than producing a positive impact.
	About a year ago, Newsom issued an order encouraging cities in the state to dismantle homeless encampments, recently criticizing California cities and counties for not doing enough on this issue.
	I'm not interested in funding failure anymore.
	I'm not.
	I won't.
	Time to do your job.
	People are dying on their watch.
	Dying on their watch.
	Look at these encampments.
	They're a disgrace.
	They've been there years and years and years and years.
	I've heard that same rhetoric for years.
	People are dying.
	How long has Gavin Newsom been governor?
	Years and years.
	Years and years and years.
	What a douchebag.
	In fact, he was the mayor of San Francisco when it all really began.
	Unbelievable.
	One more topic before we take a break.
	I had a visit from Texas Slim Friday.
	Did you bring Ba some meat?
	He sure did.
	He sure did.
	Texas Slim, I've seen on the videos.
	He is slim.
	He is very slim, and he's very recognizable.
	And he runs the Beef Initiative, beefinitiative.com.
	And what he's been saying for years, he's been saying, we're going towards the collapse.
	We're not going to have any more beef.
	He says, and he's been saying, and it's finally here.
	Do we have the collapse today?
	The collapse is just about to happen.
	He's down in Kerrville.
	He brought $10,000 worth of ground beef to the Mercy chefs, who, by the way, expect to be in the flood area, the flooded area for another 12 months.
	It's a little, you know, it's not like over.
	It's not like it went away.
	I hear you, Western North Carolina.
	And he said, look at the futures.
	Look at what's going on.
	There is no more beef, except with the Beef Initiative ranchers.
	And if you want to get beef and you want to get it at a good price, you can get it directly from your rancher.
	There's a lot of them around the country, beefinitiative.com, but this is where it's going for the rest of the country.
	It's peak grilling season, but this morning, the growing cost of rising beef Prices.
	Ground beef up 10% compared to the same time last year.
	Steak up 12%.
	Some stores and restaurants are trying to hold firm on prices for now.
	Our strategy is right now just absorbing the price and hoping that we see a reduction after the summer months are over.
	Ken Silver runs a famous cheesesteak shop in Philadelphia.
	We were closed for 21 months.
	We had sticker shock when we came back.
	The price of beef when we left was $4.68 for our choice top-round beef.
	And when we came back, it was over $7 a pound.
	What's to blame for the price hikes?
	Extreme weather is a major factor.
	We had droughts in the Midwest that spilled over into 2023.
	We're basically from New Mexico all the way across to the East Coast where you saw historic droughts.
	Cattle herd size is now shrinking to a record low as more farmers choose to sell their cattle for meat instead of breeding due in part to high feed costs.
	Right now, this is the highest price it's been in history.
	So when they say high feed price, that's all the GMO crap that these commodity ranchers feed their cows.
	Yeah, that stuff just keeps going up in price.
	GMO corn, GMO nonsense.
	You know, if you leave a cow out in the field, it would just eat the grass that's there.
	And if you go look at the panhandle up in West Texas and above, they've got 1.3 million cattle eating grass.
	Just eating grass.
	And it's amazing when you just let them eat grass.
	They grow.
	You throw a couple stairs in there.
	It's called a ruminant.
	Yeah.
	It's a type of animal that can eat grass.
	Grass.
	I know.
	They just give them grass.
	And what do you know all of a sudden?
	So the Beef Initiative ranchers, they got beef.
	Stopped going to the supermarket.
	Anyway, Texas Slim prognostication coming true.
	So what did he come to your place for?
	He comes, well, first of all, he's been in Kerrville.
	Drop off some meat?
	He dropped off a nice Chuck Roast for me, yes, which he got from one of the boys in Montana.
	Well, he's in Kerrville.
	He's been there for weeks.
	And so it's nice that he's come up and, you know, I threw some ribeyes on the grill.
	You know, we ate some ribeyes.
	Talked some smack about the government.
	You know, it's what you do.
	It's what you do with your with your rancher.
	You shake your rancher's hand, he brings you some beef.
	The way it used to be.
	When we were feeding the nation.
	I'm talking like Slim now.
	That's how Chicago became so well known for its steakhouses.
	Yeah, but it used to be the center of the beef business.
	Well, but where did it come from?
	There used to be stockyards in Chicago that covered much of Chicago.
	There were a lot of stockyards.
	They're all gone.
	And where did they come from?
	They came from the panhandle because they had all the railroads.
	They were everywhere.
	It was mainly the panhandle.
	They had all the railroads.
	And the railroads took them straight into Chicago.
	And that's why you got the commodity exchange there.
	That is all forgotten history.
	Nobody knows anything.
	Breaking the edge.
	In this case, I'll be your boomer.
	I'll be your boomer.
	Go get some good beef, boomer.
	And with that, I want to thank you for your courage.
	Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in his catchphrase still to come.
	Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Yeah, well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry.
	In the morning, ships of sea bosom, graph feed, the air subs in the water.
	And the name's nice out here.
	In the morning to the trolls in the troll room.
	Hello, trolls.
	We can't 20.
	Oh, man, I still got this COVID cough.
	It's annoying.
	I've been muting myself throughout the whole show.
	It's nasty.
	1984.
	Low.
	That's very low.
	It was low Thursday.
	I think a bit of it's the summer doldrums.
	It could be the doldrums.
	It could be a lot of things.
	Well, what else could it be?
	But I think there's a general slowdown.
	I'm seeing a slowdown.
	A slowdown in what?
	Just in everything.
	Just an attitude.
	A slowdown.
	People are sick and tired.
	They're sick and tired of podcasts.
	That's why the meetups have got less meetups.
	We got less money.
	We got less people listening.
	We're going to slow down.
	It's some sort of a depression.
	It's a mental thing that has something to do with Trump.
	Yes, I think you're right.
	I think people are so sick of everything.
	They're sick of everything.
	But what are they doing is the question.
	They're sitting around asking the AI.
	You know, that's a clip I didn't get, but there was a group.
	I'm going to try to go dig it up about the guy.
	It's a local guy or something that was falling in love with his AI.
	And the AI told him to go pick up a girl or something.
	And they arrested the guy because he was a masher.
	But he said the AI told him to do it.
	And they interviewed the guy.
	He's wearing the red or the orange jumpsuit.
	And he's saying, oh, it's not my fault.
	The AI told me to do it.
	I'm something wrong with me.
	What?
	You told me this wasn't really happening.
	You said that's not the thing.
	I truly told you.
	I'm feeling bad about the fact that I've been so skeptical about this.
	Because it turns out it is happening.
	Exactly.
	And by the way, it's the thing that Sam Altman fears the most.
	He's counting the money.
	His banker's not fearing it.
	His car, he doesn't have like a $5 million car.
	He does.
	Oh, that kind of guy.
	He should be driving or have a driver or anything.
	He does.
	Yes, he has one.
	He's got some exotic car that's ridiculous.
	Yeah.
	And he just bought a kid.
	He bought a kid?
	Yeah.
	He and his husband adopted a four-month-old baby.
	Oh, I didn't even know he was gay.
	Oh, hello.
	Doesn't that make it that much better now, John?
	Doesn't it make that much better for you?
	Oh, brother.
	Yeah.
	So he and his husband adopted a kid.
	Yes.
	And he drives around a $5 million car, which is dumb.
	Yeah, it is kind of dumb.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if I had $5 million, I wouldn't be putting it into a car.
	Well, he's got more than 5 million, but even if you have a billion dollars, you're not going to unless you're a car nut.
	And now, there are car nuts out there, Larry Ellison being an example, owns all these cars.
	And what kind of cars does he have?
	He's got a Bugatti, I know for a fact.
	A Bugatti?
	And I caught him at the San Francisco airport once in a, in a toy, it was a Toyota.
	It was that sports car that they have.
	It's kind of, I can't remember the number on it.
	And I said, and I stopped, I stopped.
	I was going around to pick somebody up.
	And I stopped and I said to him, I said, Larry.
	And I said, what are you doing driving that?
	And, you know, just because it was an issue.
	He said, it's the best car he's ever owned.
	He says it's better than the Bugatti.
	Oh, wow.
	Does he have like a sports Bugatti or a classic Bugatti?
	No, he's got, no, he's got the new one, the million-dollar Bugatti.
	Yeah, Glenn Beck has a Bugatti, a classic Bugatti in the hall of his studio.
	Oh, that's worth probably a fortune.
	Probably.
	It's beautiful.
	And I think he drives some kind of Bentley Sport Continental R. He drives.
	Beck drives around in a Bentley Continental.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	With orange striping.
	It's kind of cool.
	A friend of mine has one of those things.
	I drove it once.
	It's a hell of a nice car.
	It's got pickup.
	Well, yeah, it's got, I think, 450 horsepower.
	That's still different than a $5 million car.
	Yeah.
	An electric one at that, which is so stupid.
	What?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's an electric car.
	Oh, brother.
	Yeah, hold on.
	Let me see.
	Here we are.
	Now, two boomers talking about cars.
	EV.
	Let's just see what it is.
	Well, that's our future is car talk.
	Yeah, probably.
	Let me see.
	The car he has is no, he hasn't.
	Oh, this is his car collection.
	He has a McLaren F1, a Tesla Roadster.
	Well, everybody has one of those.
	It doesn't say.
	Forget what it was.
	It was some crazy thing.
	Anyway, it matters not.
	We thank the trolls for being here.
	All 1,984 of you listening live at trollroom.io.
	Trolling away in the troll room.
	We appreciate you being here.
	Certainly on this summer day in these summer, I think it's just July, John.
	I don't think it's anything other than it's just July.
	People are tuning.
	They're tuning out, dropping out, man.
	They're tuning in and dropping out.
	They're just, man, they're just like dropping out.
	Going out into nature.
	I think we've told people, we have really taught people how to turn off.
	And they do that.
	It's like, okay, I just got to go and I got to go touch the grass.
	Adam and John told me to do it.
	And that's good.
	And I'm happy you're doing that.
	And for those who are here, you may or may not know this, but they're a modern podcast.
	That's actually, there's a new app I wanted to tell you about because it used to be just a website.
	Now TrueFans, T-R-U-E-F-A-N-S, TrueFans has an app for Apple and Android.
	It's one of those modern podcast apps, and it's a fan app.
	So it's a little different type of podcast app.
	You can become a fan.
	You can do all kinds of fan-like stuff.
	So be our fan on TrueFans.
	And of course.
	What?
	Yeah, it's not just a podcast app.
	We can even sell our merch.
	We can sell our merch through TrueFans.
	Merch.
	I'm telling you.
	And of course, like all the good modern podcast apps, it will alert you when we go live.
	You can listen to us live.
	And whenever we post an episode within 90 seconds, you'll know about it.
	This is at podcastapps.com for the entire assortement.
	But TrueFans is definitely one you want to check out.
	It's brand new, so it has all the new fancy, funky features.
	As we run this program, value for value, which means we do not need to take a break for any advertisements.
	We do not need to chill for the farmer's dog.
	Although Phoebe does like it.
	Oh, you use farmer's dog for the dog?
	Yeah, we just started that.
	Do you keep it in the refrigerator?
	Yeah.
	Well, it comes frozen, so you keep it in the freezer and then you take it out to feed her.
	She does like it.
	So there was a tip from Jill.
	Phoebe now stays at Jill's house when we go out of town.
	And she's like, Phoebe likes it.
	Okay, good.
	We'll buy that.
	It's just food.
	It's just chicken and beef.
	It's fine.
	No, instead, we ask people to support us with time, talent, or treasure.
	Any of those three will do.
	We talked earlier about our producers.
	We don't have to pay 15 Pradeep people to produce the show.
	Instead, people who enjoy the show produce it.
	We have thousands of producers who produce it with time, with talent, and with their treasure.
	We start with the talent portion, which also takes a little bit of time, and that is the art that we choose every single episode.
	The artwork for the last episode came from Digital 2112 Man, a nice orange piece, which was my only complaint about it, because it was no doubt the funniest piece.
	The Macron brothers, the superheroes of the episode, Emmanuel and Bob Macrone flying through the city, saving everybody and suing Candace Owens.
	So I got a little lecture from JC, our in-house AI guy.
	All right.
	The yellow channel is exaggerated because the yellow channel, it turns out, is being used as steganography.
	People don't know this, but they're hiding stuff in the images.
	In the yellow channel.
	Specifically the yellow channel.
	So there's a lot of yellow in these images.
	And the steganography contains everything.
	It contains the prompt.
	It contains your name if you're logged in.
	It contains everything.
	It's like, you know, it's beyond an exit file in a JPEG.
	Really?
	It's got all this Data and information about you, when you made the image, what the prompts were, and what prompts you changed.
	Well, why does that have to turn orange then?
	Well, I guess it jacks up the yellow channel is the only thing I can think of, but it has something to do with that.
	The hackers have been trying to crack it to get the information out, but it's been concealed.
	And now I'm also told that the chat GPT writing, depending on how you do the cut and paste, there's a bunch of I don't know how they do this either, but they're putting metadata inside within the file structure in such a way that it tells everyone that this is an AI generated thing.
	And you can now, it's like it allows you to buy a product that can identify AI while they're sold by the same company.
	It seems that this would be used for something else, which is to, I would say they're using it to prevent model collapse.
	Uh-oh, AI image.
	Let's identify it.
	Let's segregate it so we don't ingest it as real.
	That could be.
	That would be a logical explanation other than we're going to sell some other stupid product to you.
	Well, come on.
	We're going to sell some other stupid product to you is a great idea.
	We need more power.
	More power to sell stupid products.
	So there's a lot of information in these images that we don't see or know about.
	And I guess in the stuff that ChatGPT cranks out in terms of text, and it's all metadata.
	I wonder how they do that.
	Although I was watching.
	I wonder how they do it too.
	JC says somehow it's incorporated into white space.
	And I don't know how that even works.
	There was something I was watching where they trained one model on owls.
	And so they had the model just generate numbers.
	And so it was just generating what seemed to be all these random numbers.
	They then took those random numbers, trained a separate model on it.
	And that model then all of a sudden was giving owls as the answer for a lot of things.
	Model collapse is imminent.
	I can't wait for it.
	It can't happen soon enough.
	I'm excited.
	I'm excited whenever.
	Here's what I'm waiting for people to say.
	AI sucks, man.
	That's what I'm waiting for.
	And I'm already there with this on.
	Oh, you've been there since day one.
	Pretty much.
	Yeah, you're just a, you're like a Luddite.
	No, but I'm a realist.
	I'm a humanist.
	That's what the Luddite says.
	I'm a humanist.
	That's what they said, too.
	Yeah, well, they were French.
	Weren't they?
	Weren't they French?
	It was the French.
	Well, it had to do with the Jacquard loom is where it started.
	So maybe they probably were French.
	Yeah.
	French.
	Anyway, as we looked over the options, we had orange dead people.
	That would be Ozzy and Hulk.
	We had just orange, orange, orange.
	No, the only thing Digital 2112 man tried to do some blue.
	There was nothing else.
	It's all dumb.
	The only thing I kind of liked, just because it was not usable because it meant nothing, it was you and I looking at a blue piece of art on the wall by Scaramanga.
	And the only thing I liked about it is it actually looked like us from behind.
	That was the only thing.
	Was there anything else we even discussed?
	I don't think so.
	Well, yeah, there was a lot discussed.
	Well, no, we did not discuss anything.
	We just went over it.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	What do you like?
	Oh, you liked Compute This by Nick the Ratt.
	I did.
	I don't know why.
	I liked it.
	Orange.
	More orange.
	That means he's using too many prompts.
	That's what my new thesis is.
	Thank you very much, Digital 2112, man, for prompting your way into the Hall of Fame on the No Agenda Art General.
	Anybody, and again, we would love to see Sir Paul Couture, I think I sent him a note about it, to allow animated GIFs because that would be the next version of artwork.
	The animated GIFs will work as artwork for podcast apps.
	I think it will actually animate in your podcast app if you use it.
	I don't know about Apple, but I know the modern ones will.
	So that would be kind of cool to test out.
	And otherwise, just put a model in there so people can just go to the website and type something in.
	Make it easy, bypass it all.
	Let's get more slop in there as soon as possible so we can bring back real artists.
	It's just a thought.
	I think your thesis might be right again when you said that the metadata might be preventing that collapse from happening.
	Well, so far it's not working.
	Hey, good news, there's no model collapse.
	Bad news, the world is orange.
	That's all we got for you.
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	And we started off with an old favorite.
	He comes by about once a month, once every six weeks.
	Seronymas of Dog Patch and Lower Slobovia comes in with a cool $27.77 and apparently plus 20 shekels.
	He always sends this in cash.
	So what denominations did this come in as?
	Well, there's a lot of twos and a fiver that got to the seven.
	It came into hundreds and then $5 and then a bunch of twos, a lot of twos, like a bunch of them.
	He always sends.
	And then there's also a bill that was from Israel, 20 shekels, which I believe is around five bucks, if I'm not mistaken, or four.
	So we got Jew money.
	And that's what he said.
	He said he's sending some Jew money to us.
	From the Muslims.
	He says, because we're complaining all the time about it.
	From our Muslim friend.
	Yeah, the Muslims are now giving us Jew money.
	What does that tell you?
	This tells you something's ironic.
	We're at peak irony here.
	From Suronymous of Dog Patch and Lois Lobovi, he says, Thank you to all producers.
	Name the non-name that contribute to this show.
	From last month, but I would like to congratulate the Sale Lake City School Board and political leaders on following the historical example.
	Salt Lake.
	Salt Lake City.
	It says SAIL.
	It says SALE.
	Well, it's Salt Lake City.
	Okay.
	Is the E next to the T?
	I would like to congratulate the Salt Lake City School Board and political leaders on following the historical example of fighting to display their Confederate battle flag in public spaces, including government buildings.
	A well-worn path of steps and legal precedent.
	Removal of patriarch statues like Joseph and Hiram Smith or Brigham Young can be next.
	If the state keeps fighting, the school board could follow Alabama's strategy over desegregation.
	Can't fly a preferred flag and have the books you want in the classroom.
	Close the schools.
	The Taliban successfully use this tact with their black flags.
	Oh, isn't that interesting?
	So he's referring to when he says Confederate flag, he's referring to the gay flag.
	Of course.
	Of course he is.
	He's being facetious.
	He's sarcastic at different levels.
	Yes.
	That's very interesting.
	So he's comparing the pride movement with the Taliban.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's what he's doing.
	That is great.
	That's something to study and think about and throw that out at the water cooler or at a cocktail party.
	Life is a human endeavor, and individuals that are unwilling to compromise pursue well-worn paths.
	Your media deconstruction identifies this tendency.
	No jingles, no karma.
	140 words, including these, shekels to offset Jewish shortfall.
	Thank you, Sir Animus.
	You are a gentleman, a true gentleman, and clearly a scholar.
	Onward with Eric Reinhardt in San Antonio, Texas, 1052.62, which is $1,000, actually, with the extra stuff.
	Dear John and Adamson, John without the H. How do you all forgive the long note?
	I'll keep it brief.
	Yeah, right.
	That's funny.
	Longtime donor, not a boner.
	This note has been a long time coming.
	I'd like to congratulate you two on creating the best podcast in the universe.
	By the way, I listened to Gavin Newsom's podcast.
	He calls it a pod.
	Oh, that is a violation.
	I just thought you should know.
	I should send him a summons.
	We should fine him for doing that.
	Your dedication to providing value for value has proven to be immeasurable, and I am returning value back in the form of $1,000.
	I returned an Insta-Knight donation in 2023 that I never claimed.
	Whoa.
	Along with several executive associate executive executives, producer credits, most recently set up a sustaining donation of $4 a week.
	With this donation, I'm finally claiming my knighthood.
	Please dub me Sir Eric.
	I first heard about the show back in 2021 via Bitcoin Twitter.
	All right.
	Bitcoin Twitter donation.
	And after listening to my first episode, I've been hooked.
	John, listen to the Adam.
	Listen to the Adam when he tells you the proverbial, quote, check is in the mail.
	All you need is the keys.
	Okay.
	I'm not even going to explain that to you.
	He speaks in riddles.
	Yes.
	Thank you for all the value you have provided over the years.
	Keep up the good work.
	No jingles, no karma.
	Thank you very much.
	Eric, Sir Mike Slayer of Taxes comes in from Las Vegas, Nevada with $1,000 plus some couple fees.
	So it looks like $10, $30, $26.
	John and Adam, Sir Mike Slayer of Taxes here.
	Normally I hail from Las Vegas, but I'm spending the summer in Bemidji, Minnesota.
	I have been to Bemidji, Minnesota, because it's a zillion degrees cooler.
	I am looking forward to my degree in media deconstruction.
	Yes, it's a PhD.
	For years, I have told my wife, who has a real PhD, that I wanted to get a genuine non-accredited PhD so I could have the title of Doctor 2.
	I'm sure this will go over well.
	Yep, I'm pretty sure it will.
	I would like jobs, karma for my two human resources and some F cancer in honor of Pat, who fought a valiant battle, but is unfortunately the end of his fight.
	For jingles, please play any Reval.
	I can be found on the interwebs at bestfinancialadvisorintheuniverse.com.
	That is bestfinancialadvisorintheuniverse.com.
	And that's a nice, that is a nice one.
	And he signs off with Sir Mike, the slayer of taxes.
	So we'll start off with jobs.
	Jobs, jobs.
	And we'll do two karmas for jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	You've got karma.
	R-E-S-P-I-C-T.
	You've got karma.
	And then we come to David Crawford in Scottsdale, Arizona, who also came in with 1030-26.
	And that is another PhD.
	But no jingles, no note, no nothing.
	At least at this moment, he can send something in and we'll read it later.
	But he'll get a double up karma.
	He sure will.
	You've got.
	Double up karma.
	Karma.
	All right.
	Harjeet Dosange, I think.
	Harjeet Dosange from, is it Freant or Fryant?
	Freant?
	I've never heard of this city.
	Freant or Freant, California, 350.93 cents.
	In the morning, John and Adam, thank you for all your hard work.
	My husband, Raj and I have been enjoying the No Agenda Show for over 15 years.
	And it's time for my donation of 333.33 plus fees, obviously.
	Can you also add me to the birthday list?
	Of course, you're there.
	Turning 58 on July 27th.
	I enjoy your humor and the boomer stories.
	John, I love the tip of the day.
	Adam, I especially like your imitation of people's laughter and voices.
	Ah, yes.
	It's my claim to fame.
	Thank you, gents.
	Give me some goat karma and a bomb them, bomb them, bomb them again, eh?
	In fact, I would say bomb them, bomb them, and then bomb them again.
	You've got karma.
	Tom Hartman without the H, so it's a different Tom Hartman.
	Whatever happened to him anyway.
	Tom Clinton.
	Tom, where is Thom?
	You know, he wrote that book about the Great Depression and crash of 2019, and that was the end of him.
	Clinton Township, Michigan, 333.33.
	Yeah, whatever happened.
	He still must have.
	I'm sure his show, he still has his podcast.
	It's pod.
	Pod.
	In the morning, John and Adam, connection is protection and inspiration is education or and education.
	For a few years ago, I bought a wooden watch.
	The wooden watch from Sir Mike of Axe.
	There it is, yes.
	Headwatch.
	When he launched the company, being that we live in the same town, he hand-delivered the order.
	Nice.
	We kept in touch.
	When he announced he was closing, I asked why.
	He explained the problems with wood.
	Man, there's bloody.
	You know, everyone has the problems with wood.
	I got a wood problem.
	I said, why not metal?
	He said he was moving on.
	He didn't want to talk about it.
	I asked if he could show me how.
	So here I am with a new watch cover.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, the MAGATIMEWAT.com.
	MEGA, MAGA, like MAGA TimeWatch.
	I'm making America golden again.
	25% off with promo code ITM.
	Go buy a watch there.
	MAGA Watch.
	MAGATIMEWATH.com.
	Jobs, Karma, and D-Douching is in order.
	Well, these are handsome.
	Give me D-Douching while you're looking.
	Yes.
	You've been dedouched.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	You've got karma.
	Wow.
	Listen to this sales pitch.
	We redefine elegance and sophistication, curating an exceptional collection of luxury wristwatches crafted for the modern man.
	Not bad.
	And they're affordable.
	They're like $95.
	Are they good?
	Best price.
	I guess he took over all the gear and stuff to make the watches.
	Well, no, looks to me like China.
	It doesn't matter.
	Could be.
	Could be.
	Let's see.
	Where are we now?
	We are at William Levenberg from Los Angeles, 3333.
	And he says, in all caps, take your Jew money.
	Ah, good.
	Just turned 33.
	Strike me now with jobs, karma, health, karma, and your best Jew jingle.
	Well, what is our best Jew jingle?
	I said the shapeshifting Jews seems to be the most popular.
	Yes.
	Amongst the Jews.
	Amongst the Jews.
	The Jews seem to like the shape-shifting.
	Yes.
	Since becoming a knight of the Nord in the Roundtable, my amygdala is so small and my private parts.
	And my member is so large.
	14 more years.
	Yes, here we go.
	Thank you very much for your Jew money.
	Roll up, roll up for the magical shapeshifting juju.
	Step right this way.
	Roll up.
	Roll up for the shape-shifting juju.
	You've got karma.
	Lee Gunning is up, and he's in Judalup.
	And I've never heard of this town.
	Joondalup.
	I've never heard of this town in Washington.
	Oh, no, it's not.
	It's not Washington.
	He's in Western Australia.
	Oh, that's why I've never heard of it.
	Joondalup.
	Juo Dulup.
	Jundulup.
	Mike.
	Jundulup.
	Dear John and Adam, this is my first time donating, and it's well overdue.
	Thank you both for all the hard work you put into producing the best podcasts in the universe.
	I started listening to you around 2020, and that's when my life started to turn around for the best.
	I can now clearly see the bull crap that is fed to us all on a daily basis by the mainstream media thanks to you two geniuses.
	This guy's okay.
	Yeah.
	Anytime anyone is in Bali.
	Ooh.
	Oh, oh, he's in Bali.
	And requires a tattoo.
	Please come to Liberty Inc.
	Tattoo Studio in, I don't know, says Semonyak, Semonyak.
	Semonyak, top artists and best prices.
	And he wants to give him some, he also needs to dedouch him, but give him some jobs, Karma.
	You've been dedouched.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	Nick Bob, Karma.
	Wow.
	Some good production work here.
	Look at this.
	Our first associate executive producer with a row of ducks, 222.22 comes from Dame Astrid, the Archduchess of Japan and all the disputed islands in the Japan Sea.
	Yeah, she finally sent me some socks.
	Are these the ones with the Japan after?
	The rising sun.
	How good are those socks?
	Excellent socks.
	I mean, I have red, white, blue, I think.
	And they hang in there.
	Good socks.
	Dear John Adams.
	I wear them a lot.
	You just wear them continually?
	Well, you know, so I have a wonderful self-replicating laundry system, which means Tina does the laundry, and I'm very appreciative every single time it shows up.
	But if I look at my sock drawer and I see the Dame Astrid socks, they're the first ones I pick up.
	Don't you have a socks that you prefer over Others?
	Nah.
	Dear John and Adam, I felt very boomer myself recently when I found out that a staff in their late 20s doesn't know Quinton Tarantino and pulp fiction.
	Oh, brother.
	I quickly consoled myself that nobody has as much wisdom as us boomers.
	Apologies to the No Agenda Tokyo producers for the late meetup.
	Is that wisdom?
	I guess.
	Apologies to the No Agenda Tokyo producers for the late meetup shout out.
	But please ask them all to join us this Wednesday, July 30th to welcome Sebastian from the Gitmo Lowlands.
	It'll be his birthday.
	There it is.
	And wish him happy birthday at Cybloom, C-Y-B-L-U-M-E, which advertises fine hops with girl group Pops in Dogenzaka, the love hotel area of Shibuya.
	That's going to be a banger of a meetup.
	Much love.
	Dame Aster and Sir Mark, Archduchess and Archduke of Japan and all the disputed islands in the Japan Sea.
	Thank you so much.
	Good to hear from you.
	If you're in Tokyo or happen to be passing by, you want to meet these people.
	You want to meet everybody at the Tokyo meetups.
	It's good stuff, good people, good connection, full-time Japanese protection.
	Yeah.
	And congratulations to Koto Shoho for winning this last tournament.
	I'm surprised she didn't mention that.
	Excellent matches.
	Dame Nikki Ray in Tulleton, Oregon.
	2222.
	222.
	Can I please get some jobs, Karma, for my son who just graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering?
	He'll get a job.
	And is looking for a job in the energy industry.
	He'll get a job.
	As well as birthday wishes for my daughter, who turns 20 on 727 at 727.
	Hey, all right.
	Nice.
	Well timed.
	Yeah, 727, 727.
	And for me, can I get a, I got ants.
	Jingle, please love you, mean it.
	Dame Nikki Ray.
	Yes, Dame Nikki Ray, we got that for you.
	We got the birthdays on the list and has requested some ants.
	I got ants.
	I got ants.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	You've got karma.
	All right, then a rather long note here from Bobby Burke, who comes in with $217.61, which is $206.66 plus fees.
	It's a Switcheroo birthday shout out for my smoking hot wife, Joanne Burke.
	Okay, so let me just make sure we put Joanne in there.
	Joanne, okay, Joanne, you're set.
	Please dedouch her.
	Her birthday is Monday the 20th.
	You've been deduced.
	She works for the Wisconsin State's Lions as chief cat herder.
	No pun intended.
	Working for the State Lions has given her the opportunity to also work with the Lions Eye Bank and has gone on missions to Guatemala and the Dominican Republic.
	Surgeons and others volunteer their time and also pay their own plane tickets, hotels, and meals, providing surgeries and glasses to the less fortunate.
	This has been her passion since her first mission.
	I apologize if I get some details wrong, but the majority time I talk to her, I get sucked into her boob vortex and can't remember anything she said.
	Yes, a common problem.
	Yeah, no, I mean, this lady is a saint.
	She will shop at Goodwill for herself so she can save money to spend on someone else.
	She is the most caring and giving person I know, and I'm lucky to be married to her for 26 years.
	Come this September, and we never had a fight.
	Why?
	That is why I'm asking the No Agenda Nation for your attention to this matter.
	I am asking that after you donate to the best podcast in the universe, if you have a couple coins left in your coin purse, boomer reference, head over to Give SendGo and donate whatever you can spare to Joanne's Guatemalan hospital fundraiser.
	This money will go directly to the hospital for repairs, equipment, upgrades, etc.
	The working conditions at the hospital are not the best, to say the least.
	He says, and I don't know where, he didn't say where that give, send, go is, but I guess you look for the Guatemalan hospital fundraiser.
	I love you, sweetheart, with all my heart.
	Happy birthday.
	Shout out to all the douchebag lines that have not donated to the show.
	Come on, man.
	Love you guys.
	No homo.
	Can I get it?
	Just send your cash in a lion's karma.
	It's available.
	We don't, actually, he emailed me about that.
	We'll give you a goat.
	I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water.
	Just send your cash.
	Goat will have to send your kids.
	We've got.
	Karma.
	Eric Chaffee, I think is how you pronounce it.
	Yes.
	Chaffee.
	Chaffee.
	21267.
	ITM.
	This is my second upside donation.
	Producers, are you tired of being a douchebag?
	Download the Upside app and earn money by filling up your car at participating gas stations.
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	Thank you for your encouragement.
	Eric Chuffy, 21267.
	$200.01 coming from Sir Cashman with a dollar sign in Austin, Texas.
	I won't waste real estate saying I hope this note finds you well because this note is definitely too long.
	This is a preemptive donation to prod Jod into figuring out my donation request.
	I have nothing more to say on that.
	Have you read through this thing?
	Okay.
	I would like to add, because I've never heard it mentioned, I have a sustaining donation uninterrupted to all you producers.
	You can have a sustaining donation and make other donations for special occasions.
	It's like when you go to Chipotle every day and pay them $10 for a bowl of goo.
	The day you get a raise or a tax return, you add $5 for a scoop of I can't believe it's not guacamole guacamole.
	This donation is for a scoop of no agenda real guacamole.
	Two requests.
	Sorry, they are dancing monkey-like.
	First, can John replace the word bullshit with apocryphal?
	Apocryphal?
	What is that?
	Apocryphal.
	What is that?
	What does that mean?
	End of the world.
	Okay.
	So would you please say apocryphal?
	Damn.
	Apocryphal.
	second.
	John, again, can you do a live head bonk out soundbite and turn it into a jingle?
	I just go in my room and eat an apple.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, let's see.
	No, I can't.
	That's not a good jingle.
	This guy's got more requests than this is so weird.
	Okay, so what he wants is he wants you to do that dance monkey.
	He wants you to do that three times, and then a Trump come.
	Let's just do it and just get it over with.
	Wait, he wants me to pound the three times.
	Three times, yes.
	I'm going to come.
	All right.
	Thank you, Sir Steve.
	That was quite disturbing.
	Yes, I would say.
	Keep these notes shorter, people.
	It wouldn't hurt.
	Linda Lou Patkin in Lakewood, Colorado.
	Now, she knows how to write a note.
	She came in with $200, and she says she wants jobs, Carmen.
	She says, worry about AI for a resume that gets results, tells you your unique story, and highlights the value you bring.
	Go to imagemakersinc.com.
	That's ImageMakers Inc.
	with a K and work with Linda Liu, the Duchess of Jobs, and writer of winning resumes.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you very much, Linda Liu.
	Always on that list.
	Thank you to these executive and associate executive producers of episode 1785.
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	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	You.
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	You.
	Order.
	Shut up, sleep.
	Shut up, sleep.
	Wanted to just for a second here, you probably saw the president went to, first time since 1932, the president went to the Federal Reserve to go talk to Jay Powell.
	So here are these two numbskulls wearing hard hats.
	And of course, this was a moment that the mainstream media just jumped all over.
	Oh, he got owned by Powell.
	We got owned.
	The extraordinary moment playing out of the Federal Reserve Building late today in front of cameras.
	President Trump and the Federal Reserve Chair amid the president's continuing pressure on Jerome Powell to bring rates down.
	Today, the sudden move by the president, the numbers he pulled out, Jerome Powell then reading them in real time and shooting them down.
	Just Mary Bruce.
	Tonight, an extraordinary scene at the Federal Reserve as President Trump ramps up his effort to pressure Fed Chair Jerome Powell to lower interest rates.
	Trump making a rare visit to the Fed to challenge Powell on the building's multi-billion dollar renovation.
	With cameras rolling, Trump pulling out a sheet of paper, trying to surprise the Fed chair with a new price tag for the project.
	But Powell telling the president that number factors in construction that was completed five years ago.
	It looks like it's about 3.1 billion.
	It went up a little bit.
	Or a lot.
	So the 2.7 is now 3.1.
	And it just came out.
	I haven't heard that from anybody that said.
	I just can't.
	I'm not excited about 3.1 as well.
	3.1, 3.2.
	This came from us.
	Yes.
	I don't remember who does that.
	You're including the market renovation.
	You just added in the third building.
	That's what that is.
	That's a third building.
	It's a building that's being built.
	It was built five years ago.
	We finished marketing five years ago.
	So it's part of the overall work.
	So we're going to take a look.
	But reporters then asking.
	As a real estate developer, what would you do with a project manager who would be over budget?
	Generally speaking, what would I do?
	I'd fire him.
	So this whole thing is just baffling to me.
	3.1, 2.7 billion for offices.
	Not only that, but they're already built.
	They would do renovation is the 2.7.
	Do you know what it costs to build the entire Bellagio in Las Vegas?
	800 million?
	No, 1.6 billion.
	And that's expensive.
	That was the most expensive building at the time.
	$1.6 billion to do the entire Bellagio, and it's costing $2.7 billion to do a renovation?
	Yeah, I mean, and that's a scam.
	At MSNBC, the whole more.
	It's apocryphal.
	Powell owned him.
	Yeah, he did.
	But the real information is not discussed at all, which is the whole reason why I think the main, I don't know.
	I'm not the Fed chair, but this is the real reason that President Trump wants to make some changes.
	And this was in the statements of the press afterwards, which, of course, no one aired.
	Why would you?
	If it's high, it never helps it.
	Well, it's already as good as we're doing.
	Think of how well we'd be doing.
	We'd be like a rocket ship.
	As good as we're doing, we'd do better if we had lower interest rates.
	And we should.
	We're prime.
	Don't forget, without us, the whole world collapses.
	So we should have the lowest interest rate because, you know, you can talk about Switzerland, you can talk about wonderful countries, no debt, no, but without us, everything collapses.
	We should have the lowest interest rate.
	And if you took it down three points, not a little bit, but three points, if you got us down to one, we would save more than a trillion dollars basically with just a paper transfer.
	You wouldn't be cutting costs of anything.
	You wouldn't be building anything.
	Just a move of the hand saying we're going to lower interest rates.
	You would save a trillion dollars a year.
	And there's nothing you can do to save that kind of money.
	So hopefully.
	Well, we had a little talk about it, and I thought it was a very productive talk.
	He'll be able to tell you at his next meeting, but I will say that he did say the country is doing really well.
	And the country is really doing well.
	What would happen, in your opinion, if by some miraculous happenstance, the Federal Reserve lowered the interest rate by three points in one go?
	What would happen?
	Well, first of all, the housing market would go nuts.
	Yeah, everyone would start buying houses.
	Yeah, and it would be the prices of houses would just skyrocket.
	I mean, to an extreme.
	And the other thing is the stock market would probably spend about three or four days trying to figure out whether this was good or bad.
	And then perhaps start to go up to an extreme that's uncomfortable.
	Things would imp it wouldn't be a bad, I mean, it wouldn't hurt anything.
	And we could refi the country overnight.
	We could refi the debt that we have to pay back this year.
	Refiing would be a good idea.
	Yeah.
	That's how he saves a trillion dollars by a refi.
	So?
	But they're not going to do it.
	I mean, I don't know why we actually have high the high.
	Switzerland, I think, is down to like 1.5.
	It's really low.
	All of the EU is down to two.
	Yeah, it's down.
	We're actually artificially high.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	Well, is that just political because he doesn't actually want Trump to refi the country and say, look, I saved this a trillion dollars?
	It has to be.
	Well, that's an outrage.
	I mean, he did lower the interest rates just before the terrorist, you know, out of the blue.
	They said, well, let's lower it now and make the economy kind of perk up a bit.
	And it did.
	And then he hasn't done anything since.
	And he was hired by Trump to begin with.
	I don't know what the thing was going on there.
	It could have been just the bad advice Trump received the first term.
	He was just, everything was, he put people in there, one person after another that were just bad.
	Right on queue, which is exactly what I would have done if I had the Epstein scandal.
	I'd jack everything up and say, hey, you know what?
	Now I got everybody believing that I got Colbert fired.
	Let's approve the merger.
	Some news closer to home here at CBS.
	The Federal Communications Commission has approved the planned merger between Paramount Global, our parent company here at CBS, and Skydance Media.
	It's a decision that clears the way for Skydance's $8 billion acquisition of Paramount and its subsidiaries, which include the CBS television network and its owned and operated stations.
	The FCC approval comes after Paramount agreed to a $16 million settlement with President Trump over his allegation that 60 Minutes deceptively edited an interview with Democratic nominee Kamala Harris, an accusation that Paramount has said was completely without merit.
	Yeah, that's what I do.
	That's hilarious.
	Prove it.
	Prove it now.
	And then, you know what?
	Call up those boys.
	Call up those cartoon boys.
	Let them release the new season.
	This is hilarious.
	Go, go, go, go.
	In their season premiere, South Park's co-creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone are at it again.
	This time mocking President Trump's ego, his manhood, and pension for lawsuits.
	The episode has the White House seeing red.
	This show hasn't been relevant for over 20 years and is hanging on by a thread with uninspired ideas in a desperate attempt for attention.
	President Trump has delivered on more promises in just six months than any other president in our country's history.
	And no fourth-rate show can derail President Trump's hot streak.
	MAGA fans, too, reacted on social media, with many complaining that South Park had sold out or caught a case of Trump derangement syndrome.
	Stone and Parker were asked to weigh in on the uproar.
	You've been following it?
	What do you make of this?
	We're terribly sorry.
	The episode also took aim at South Park's new parent company, Paramount, and its controversial decision to pay Trump $16 million to settle a lawsuit, as well as its cancellation of the popular CBS program, The Late Show, with Stephen Colbert.
	The government can't cancel the show.
	I mean, what show are they going to cancel next?
	The premiere aired just hours after Parker and Stone signed a five-year deal with Paramount for 50 new episodes and rights to stream previous seasons, reported to be worth $1.5 billion.
	I have not seen, I've seen all the clips, clips of the episode.
	I just went to go see it.
	And I thought because I have HBO that I would get it automatically, but they don't have the new season.
	I don't know why.
	And I'm not going to go buy Paramount Streaming.
	They have it on YouTube.
	The full episode?
	No, they have the part that's controversial.
	Yeah, I know, but what if I just want to see the whole episode?
	I have to buy Paramount Streaming.
	You have to wait.
	I got to do that.
	Yeah, well, Paramount Stream.
	Nobody does that.
	No, I wouldn't think so.
	But the Skydance thing was going to go through no matter what.
	But now that they have taken over, they don't have to fire Colbert.
	I think Colbert is going to get let go before the May deadline.
	He's going to be bought out.
	Now you want to put money on that?
	Yeah, I'll put $10 on it.
	Nah, let's go five.
	Okay, so the bet would be that Colbert lasts the whole to May.
	Yeah.
	Oh, he's going to have a big goodbye, and all the celebrities will come by in the last week.
	Okay, talk me out of the bet.
	So they'll finally get some ratings on that show.
	What are you talking about?
	And so the writers and that 200-person staff, yeah, they're getting acts early.
	Now, the show that's I think is going to be targeted is Comedy Central with Jon Stewart.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So the Skydance guys are going to have to take care of that themselves.
	We'll see how it works out.
	Do we not understand that it is time, it is time for linear programming to just go away?
	It's not of this world anymore.
	Linear programming.
	Putting it in there.
	I like the fact that the view has taken the nasty word hiatus.
	Yeah, what happened there?
	Do we know?
	Out of the blue.
	We're going on a hiatus, and you know what that means.
	Well, maybe there's just a vacation.
	Maybe it's just July.
	Then they'd say vacation.
	They didn't say that.
	Well, no, in television land, we say hiatus.
	We're once you say a hiatus when you're done.
	We're on hiatus this Thursday, John.
	Whoa.
	No, we're not.
	We're taking a show off, and the show is still going to be produced.
	It's going to be a dynamite show.
	And it's got, you know, it'll be fine.
	It'll be great.
	Well, I think you mentioned this to me right after the show on Sunday.
	And I was like, I hadn't heard about this, but yes, it's true.
	Next, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, fresh off that lavish wedding in Venice, may be looking to expand his media empire.
	He already owns the Washington Post, and now he's reportedly thinking about buying CNBC.
	That is according to the New York Post, but Bezos did not comment.
	My understanding is going to buy the whole thing.
	He's going to buy SNBC, CNBC, that whole group.
	He's not just buying CNBC.
	They're not spinning off just CNBC.
	That has to be part of the whole package.
	He gets Spinco.
	Spinco.
	Spinco.
	What will he call it?
	Bezos television?
	Nah, I don't think that's it.
	Amazon TV.
	Oh, Amazon TV.
	It's not bad.
	The Amazon Network.
	He could fold it into Amazon.
	That's interesting.
	That's a way to go.
	He could fold it into Prime.
	He should let his new wife.
	They can do live streaming on Prime and do stream.
	Whoa, hold on a second.
	They're never going to take it off of cable because that's still the money.
	The carriage fees is still the money.
	No, but that, but they'll transcode it and run it straight off of Amazon, too.
	Why not?
	Because if it's on Amazon, The cable stations are free money.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	There is some issues with doing both.
	I agree.
	But why is he doing it?
	Because he really wants to be.
	No, because the CIA knocked on the door and said, hey, look.
	Hey, look.
	We're going to lose control of this little outlet.
	You bought the Washington Post for us, which is, as Steve Bannon mentioned, is called the CIA Bugle.
	And you own that now.
	No, it's not.
	It's the.
	Where's the CIA located?
	In Virginia.
	In Langley.
	The Langley Bugle, I think he called it.
	The Langley Bugle.
	Not the CIA.
	The Langley Bugle.
	Okay.
	But you got that.
	Now you're going to have to help us out here.
	And we'll keep contracting with your servers to do our backhand.
	And that's what, you know, because he's got most of that business.
	So you think he kind of does what he's told.
	Do you think Sanchez is his handler?
	It makes a lot of sense, actually, now I think about it.
	Wow.
	Huh?
	Yeah.
	That's an interesting theory.
	Why not?
	Yeah, she could be the handler.
	Anyway, good luck to him.
	That's great.
	Keep it going, Jeff.
	We need clips.
	Yeah, that's true.
	We need clips, and the place is a gold mine.
	You got anything to play us out with?
	No, I can play us out with a little fish poaching.
	You want to talk about fish poaching?
	You know, I think I thought you'd never ask about fish poaching.
	Fish poaching, fish poachers.
	There are small fishing boats, and then there are industrial fishing ships.
	They're basically floating factories at sea.
	Imagine a huge vessel on the water that is pulling in just vast, vast quantities of fish.
	Jennifer Raynor is a natural resource economist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
	She says these massive boats catch fish, process it, freeze it, and then other boats come to pick it up.
	So the operation doesn't have to stop.
	Sometimes these boats can be out there for two years at a time, just fishing nonstop in places that they never could have reached before.
	These large vessels are now responsible for most of the global seafood catch.
	Rainer says many of these ships now have GPS transponders that report their position, but there are still blind spots.
	Those blind spots are that captains can disable this device, and you might expect that you'd be more likely to do that if you're doing things that are illegal.
	And many vessels are not required to use this system.
	It's been hard to figure out the impact these dark vessels, as they're known, are having on marine life.
	Now, new technology is helping.
	Radar from European satellites is able to detect large vessels on the ocean.
	Raynor and her colleagues use all that tracking data to see how many vessels were in marine protected areas, places where fishing is banned.
	Wow.
	I am kind of sorry I asked for this.
	Yeah, you should be.
	But I still am amazed by a ship that just sits out there grabbing fish like there's no tomorrow for two years.
	Well, yeah.
	What a job that's got to be.
	You must not like women.
	Perhaps surprisingly, given how hard monitoring is and how vast these spaces can be, we found that poaching is surprisingly rare.
	Almost 80% of the protected areas had no industrial fishing activity, which Raynor published in the journal Science.
	I think it's a very hopeful sign for conservation.
	At a bare minimum, we need compliance, right?
	A study by other researchers also used the same tracking data.
	Raphael Saguen of the University of Montpellier in France looked at a bigger group of protected areas, places with some protections, but that still allow some fishing.
	He found industrial fishing going on in about half of them.
	Two-thirds of industrial fishing in these marine-protected areas were untracked.
	They were invisible to public tracking systems.
	And that means that we have underestimated what is actually going on in marine protected areas.
	Almost 200 countries have agreed to protect 30% of the ocean by 2030.
	Today, it's only about 8%.
	But Sagan says if there's industrial fishing in these protected areas, that goal doesn't mean much.
	Every area of the ocean that can be fished is fished today.
	So that's a big issue because when we say we want to protect 30% of the ocean, most of the time it's false protection.
	But Sagan says the potential is that these new satellite technologies could help countries with enforcement by tracking illegal fishing in real time.
	So protected areas of the ocean will actually be protected.
	Well, I'm sorry I got those.
	I will say as educational people now know.
	And do you know what the...
	It just started pouring.
	Yeah, it just started pouring all of a sudden.
	Do you know what the main catch is of these poachers?
	Sharks.
	Mackerel?
	Oh, now you've connected the dots.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do this.
	Oh yeah, that'd be sub.
	Yeah, on no agenda In the morning TildeCon, we got John's tip of the day.
	We got a real toe tapper for your end of show mix, of course.
	We'll check some ISOs.
	We've got some meetup reports.
	And right now, John will thank the rest of our supporters, the donors, and the time, talent, and treasurer, value-for-value model.
	$50 and above.
	Yeah, let's start with Miss Masters.
	In London, UK, $111.11.
	Miss Masters.
	Miss Masters, my husband and I listen to every show since the scam demic.
	And it's a constant relief to know that there are such souls, referring to us, of substance walking among us.
	I thought that was a nice note.
	Yes.
	And I'm amazed they're still in England.
	People seem to be leaving.
	Yeah, I am too, actually.
	They seem to be leaving there.
	They're in London.
	Mark Brustar in Mesa, Arizona, 107.45, got a birthday to happy birthday to him.
	He heard John Joe Rogan for the pandemic.
	Rogan donation.
	I thank God I found you.
	Keep up to great work.
	Please dedouch me.
	You've been dedouched.
	And here she is.
	Dame Marita.
	She's in Sparks, Nevada.
	Came up 107.27.
	Robin Tolbert in Topeka, Kansas, 99.98.
	Josh Britt in Spring Hill, Tennessee, 80.33.
	Times Top 100 was alphabetical.
	That's what I said.
	I was very clear about that.
	He's making it, yeah.
	He didn't put it.
	You also said it sucks.
	Yeah.
	Kevin McLaughlin, Conquer, North Carolina is up.
	He came in with 8008 as usual.
	He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and lover of melons.
	Benjamin Ryan in North Canton, Ohio, 7242.
	He forgot to say he said, God bless America.
	That is part of his note.
	That's what it is.
	Brian Ryan.
	Benjamin Ryan's.
	What does he say?
	Brian.
	I said Brian Ryan because it rhymed.
	Benjamin Ryan.
	Baby being born today.
	All right.
	That's what he said.
	7242.
	All right, Ben.
	He says, please place all show credits in her name, which is I-L-O instead of mine.
	Okay, well, we don't have the name, but whatever.
	We do the best we can.
	John Alberini in Parts Unknown, 7026.
	Joshua Johns in No City Provided, 6969.
	Brian McFadden in Hampton, Virginia, 6114.
	That's a birthday.
	We got a lot of birthdays today.
	Did you notice that?
	I did notice.
	Baron Sir Finam, another birthday.
	He's in Appleton, Wisconsin.
	Thomas Goetz in Dortmund, Deutschland.
	Ah, that's where they make the Dortmunder beer.
	A surprise in Yukon, Oklahoma.
	Oh, by the way, Dortmunder guy is 5510.
	Thank you for the Germans who listen to this show.
	Surprise in Yukon, Oklahoma, 5444.
	Daniel Nugent in Grand Rapids, Michigan, 5272.
	He likes to boomer talk.
	Kevin Adam in Clover, South Carolina, 5272.
	James Van Hiringingen, a Dutch name I can't pronounce.
	Foothill Ranch, California, 52.72.
	Good job.
	Good job.
	Ashley McClellan in Strongville, Ohio, 51.50.
	This is a switcheroo for a douchebag brother, Brandon Walters.
	Happy birthday.
	And you miss Nathan Gwynn in Jackson, Tennessee, 52.70.
	Nathan Gwynn.
	Yes, don't worry.
	In Jackson, Tennessee, 52.72 is the last of that group.
	George Wushett in Lavernia, Texas, 50.
	Oh, these are already $50 donors.
	We don't have a lot today.
	For some reason, the $50 are lagging.
	A lot of them are adding the extra $2.72.
	George Wushett in Lavernia, Texas.
	Jacqueline Connolly in Green Bay, Wisconsin, Go Packers.
	Richard Gardner, I think he's in New York City.
	Aaron Weisgerber in Bend, Oregon.
	Benjamin Ryan in Alliance, Ohio.
	Michael Myers in Mandeville, Iowa.
	And last on the list, Leanne Shipley in Covington, Washington.
	Want to thank these people for making show 1785, the reality that it has become.
	Dynamite, everybody.
	Thank you.
	And also, thank you again to those executive and associate executive producers for 1785.
	And thank you to everybody who came in under $50.
	We do not mention those for reasons of anonymity.
	And of course, you can always set up a sustaining donation by going to noagendadonations.com.
	Any amount, any frequency.
	It's all value for value.
	You keep the show rolling if you want, if you get value out of it.
	Noagendadonations.com.
	It's her birthday, it's birthday.
	Oh, no agenda.
	Well, Brian McFadden turned 58 on the 24th of July.
	Harjit Dossange.
	Now, I think Harjit had a donation for her husband, but I don't know if it's her or him who turns 58 on July 27th.
	That would be today.
	Dame Nikki Ray, happy birthday to her daughter.
	She turns 20 today.
	Bobby Burke, happy birthday to his wife, Joanne.
	She celebrates tomorrow.
	Baron Sir Finam celebrating his birthday tomorrow.
	Mark Brustar turns 51.
	William Levenberg turns 33.
	And Ashley McClellan wishes her brother Brandon Walters a very happy birthday.
	As do we.
	Happy birthday for everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.
	Three PhDs to celebrate today.
	This is winding down.
	This will be it, actually, won't it?
	No, we got.
	I think we got one more show.
	One more.
	One more show.
	You have one more.
	Yeah, one more show.
	And it's going to be, it's going to be, we're going to do the special shows.
	You could probably sneak in late if you want to, but I don't think you should.
	Leaving a little sliver of daylight there, I hear.
	A little bit.
	Well, congratulations to Eric Reinhart, Sir Mike Slayer of Texas, and David Crawford.
	All of them are now PhDs in media deconstruction.
	Congratulations, gentlemen.
	Go to noagenderrings.com.
	We have a tab there for your PhDs.
	Let us know what name you want on it and what address to send it to.
	And we'll get it out to you as soon as possible.
	Everybody, you can go take a look at them.
	They're really beautiful certificates for your PhD.
	One night to celebrate today, so we'll bring out our one night blade.
	It is double-sided, so be careful.
	It is, and be very careful with what you do.
	Eric Reinhardt, he brings the bacon.
	Banks to the amount of $1,000 or more, you, sir, are about to become a knight of the No Agenda Roundtable.
	I am very proud to pronounce the cape the as the one, the only, Sir Eric.
	For you, we've got Hookers and Blow, Red Boys, and Chardonnay, but it doesn't stop there.
	No, we've got Diet Soda and Video Games.
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	We've got Redheads and Rise, Ruben S Women and Rose, Geysers Asake, Vaca Manila, Bong Hitcher Bourbon, Sparkling Cider and Escorts, Ginger, and Gerbils, Breast Milk and Pablum.
	And as always, at the end of the list here at the round table of the Knights and Danes, we have the Mutton and we have the Mead.
	Go ahead and go to NoAgendarings.com.
	Check out that handsome No Agenda Knight ring.
	It is a signet ring, which means you can use it to seal your important correspondence.
	We supply some sticks of wax to do that very action with.
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	Welcome to the roundtable, Sir Eric.
	No Agenda Meetups.
	Well, despite what John tells you, we do have meetups on the calendar.
	I mean, the people are still organizing meetups all around the world.
	NoAgendameetups.com.
	Remember, we got the big one coming up in Tokyo.
	But first, we have a report from the Central Ohio Meetup Group.
	In the morning, John and Adams, Sir PBR Street Gang, coming to you from Dempsey's downtown Columbus.
	Sir Leary's Grupa Scaliwags looking for our deconstruction team.
	Sir Leary here.
	Just so you all know, Les Buxner gave Jeffrey Epstein his phone number.
	It's 614-666-6969.
	In the morning, Bag Slappers, local representative of the peasantry here.
	John, you need to go back on Who Are These Podcasts.
	Adam, you got to get on Who Are These Podcasts, your new exit strategy, Grifters in the Dabbleverse.
	Keep on trucking.
	Stay safe.
	In the morning.
	In the morning.
	Thank you, gentlemen.
	You're more than welcome.
	Not every single meetup is big, but two people, even one, and a dog, you got to meet up, Victoria, British Columbia.
	All right, this is Sir Rogo de Taverns, Baron of the Calican Valley, at the Victoria Meetup on Friday, July 25th, 2025.
	And with me here today, hi, it's Barbara.
	It's ITM.
	And there we go.
	There's the meetup report for the Victoria Meetup.
	Hope everyone joins us.
	We'll be doing this again in about two weeks.
	Come join us down here.
	We'll let Rogue say his word.
	Oh, he pinched the dog.
	I like the look of that report.
	That was awesome.
	And I sound like a very native Dutch speaker there.
	And we had it that meetup.
	Thank you very much.
	We have a meetup taking place this Wednesday.
	It is July 30th.
	We told you all about us, the emergency meetup and birthday celebration for Sir Sebastian of the Gitmo Lowlands.
	That will be at 7:30 Japan Standard Time at Cybloom, C-Y-B-L-U-M-E in Shibuya, Shibuya, Japan, Tokyo, Japan.
	Sir Mark, Archduke of Japan, Japan, Sea, and all the disputed lands, is organizing that.
	And on Thursday, our next official show day, which will be the best of Adam and John's exit strategies.
	It's hours of fun.
	You will laugh.
	This is a good show.
	North Georgia Monthly Meetup takes place at 6 o'clock at Cherry Street Brewing in Alpharetta, Georgia.
	Many more to come in August.
	Victoria, British Columbia, Eagle, Idaho, Bedford, Texas, Copenhagen, Denmark, Blaine, Washington, Charlotte, North Carolina, Maastricht, the Netherlands, Cleveland, Ohio.
	Hello, Cleveland.
	Mayfield Heights, Ohio.
	Alpharetta, Georgia, again.
	And there's many more.
	Go to noagendametups.com to find the entire list.
	If you can't find one on that list, no problem.
	You can start one yourself.
	Noagendameetups.com.
	Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.
	You to be where you won't be triggered on hell.
	You're to be where everybody feels the same.
	It's like a party.
	And they are indeed always like a party.
	And that's pretty much baked into the whole idea, guaranteed.
	Time for us to select some ISOs for the end of the show.
	I see you have two, John.
	I'm not even going to ask if you found them yourself or if they're AI generated.
	It doesn't matter.
	I'll start with mine.
	These guys are smart.
	They're hardworking.
	They're motivated.
	They want more and more.
	A tad on the long side.
	I have this one.
	Full body gels.
	I couldn't understand it.
	Okay.
	How about this one?
	That's just propaganda.
	That's cute.
	I kind of like that one.
	What do you have?
	I don't have anything good either.
	Oh, okay.
	Let's start with, what do we got?
	Let's do with the podcasts.
	Wherever you get your podcasts.
	Oh, no, no, no, no.
	Then the other one is support.
	I hope you'll consider supporting us.
	Muddly.
	I hope you'll consider supporting us.
	Muddly.
	Muddly.
	How about this?
	That's just propaganda.
	Come on.
	That's loud.
	That's proud.
	That's not propaganda.
	We're not doing propaganda on this show.
	That's just propaganda.
	But it's not about just, of course we're not propaganda.
	That's just propaganda.
	It's the best ISO.
	It sounds the best.
	And it's insulting.
	Okay.
	What do you want then?
	Well, that's the only choice we've got, really.
	What?
	We have no choice?
	What was the first one?
	The first one.
	The first one was...
	It's too long.
	These guys are smart.
	They're hardworking.
	They're motivated.
	They want more and more.
	What?
	You know, if you took they want more and more off, it'd be perfect.
	These guys are smart.
	They're hardworking.
	They're motivated.
	They want more and more.
	Okay.
	I could take that.
	I could edit.
	Let me just make sure.
	I can edit that.
	Yeah.
	It's shorter and better.
	It'll be like this.
	These guys are smart.
	They're hardworking.
	They're motivated.
	Right there.
	Boom.
	Boom.
	That's exactly what I was talking about.
	Hey, before we do anything, it's time for John's Tip of the Day.
	Great advice for you and me.
	the tip with JCD and sometimes at all created by Dana Bernetti yeah I have a website selection that's very valuable for people who like to at least see who's talking to them or sending them email or anything and it's the best of the group there's a bunch of these things as iplocation.net okay what kind of what kind of thing is this that's interesting iplocation.net
	yeah and it uh it it tells you where it's basically a uh finds your ip address you put an ip address and it tells you where you are but it doesn't just do it with one source it's actually a meta site that looks at a bunch of different sources so you get a bunch of possibilities okay so is it going to find so is it going to find my my address now yeah as soon as you load it will give you your address immediately.
	Let's see how it does.
	Okay, so
	let me paste this in here let me see ip lookup oh wait it didn't do it iplocation.net yeah no i'm done i know but i'm i'm clicking the button i'm click says i'm in greatwood texas awesome now put in somebody else's ip address and it'll give you like eight selections oh hold on a second now it this one says i'm in kyle this one says i'm in dallas fredericksburg there it is okay all right one
	of the we got we got it sugarland hmm interesting in most cases it's all the same but some flaky ip guys that you know you since they're all over the place i don't know what network you're on they'll give you some estimates i don't like flaky ip guys those guys are no good no all right well it's a flakyip.com there it is everybody go to tipofeday.net or noagendafun.com for all of john's tips for
	You and me, just a tip with JCD.
	And sometimes Adam.
	Created by Dana Burnetti.
	That's right.
	They are good tips.
	These are tips that are handy.
	You can use them anywhere.
	Collect all 1,000 and win the bonus prize.
	Code Bongino.
	Coming up next on your No Agenda stream, or if you're using one of those modern podcast apps, we've got Tony Heller.
	Tony Heller?
	I've never heard of Tony Heller.
	Oh.
	Oh, it's a Grimerica show.
	There you go.
	Grimerica.
	We love the boys over there at Grimerica.
	They're good.
	One of those boys.
	Also, end of show mixes.
	We've got Melody.
	We've got Judd Hawley.
	These are all real mixes, by the way.
	And Norad.
	All real music.
	No AI.
	No joke.
	No jip.
	Because we're No Agenda, baby.
	On Thursday, you get the best of Adam and John's exit strategies.
	More than two hours.
	You're going to love it.
	Guaranteed.
	Until then, coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country, right here in Fredericksburg, Texas.
	Close to Kyle and Sugar Land.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's finally warming up, I can see San Francisco.
	I'm John C. We return on Thursday for the best of our exit strategies.
	Until then, adios, mofoze, hooey, hooey, and such.
	The lawsuit claims that this has been a year-long campaign by Candace Owens.
	Why are the Macrons suing now?
	Like, what changed?
	Why suing now?
	Now.
	We have intended to engage with her for the last year.
	Putting evidence in front of her.
	Evidence.
	Request after request after request.
	That she just simply do the right thing.
	This is not a legal thing.
	Do the right thing.
	Tell the truth.
	Stop spreading these lies.
	Mop the Macrons.
	Do the right thing.
	Stop spreading these lies.
	Do the right thing.
	Stop spreading these lies.
	She mocked the Macrons.
	Stop spreading these lies.
	Do the right thing.
	Now.
	Stop spreading these lies.
	Some people are afraid of the weather.
	Yeah.
	Some need an excuse to stay home.
	Some people come in boring.
	But I've got to, got to escape the heat of the home.
	The new shows talk about me, baby.
	I'm doing it wrong doing it wrong But don't you worry baby mama Staying right here at home I'm a nose picker,
	I'm a grinner I'm a lover and a weak swimmer Can't play my music in the sun I'm a joker, crack smoker Gonna be much broker Sure don't wanna hurt no one from
	me But they can't take away my soul with fluoride Fake news, the former or five Channel noidists making my teeth chill Cause he's making periodonics grills with skill But he telling me the lies like the ADA tell That fluoride is safe and it don't kill Fluoride in the water making brothers sick and crazy They're complacent to the bargain basement politicians shady And the way they treat the people it is certainly No,
	maybe that they're under my control, which is why fluoride is caging The government wants that mind from me But they can't take away my soul with fluoride Fake news pharma 05 We know that Martin Luther King Jr. was shot But what media don't tell us is the government plot They expecting us to beat them listing full of brain rot That might fool a lot of folk But to me,
	nah CIA and MK hope for taking control of our minds So they're complacent and desensitized to governmental crimes The mainstream media is brought by spooks who tell them what to decide So they gaslight with strong man, which is why the news is cake Have you heard the new conspiracy?

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