Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool

All Episodes

Previous Next

Nov. 14, 2019 - No Agenda

02:56:25

1190: Olive Theory

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	Adam Curry.
	John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, November 14th, 2019.
	This is your award-winning Get My Nation Media Assassination Episode 1190.
	This is No Agenda.
	Crossing the T's and dropping the fry!
	I am broadcasting live from Opportunity Zone 33 here at the frontier of Austin, Texas, capital of the drone, Star State.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm waiting for it to become beachfront property, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill!
	In the morning!
	You shouldn't be reading your email before the show.
	Oh, you saw that note?
	Yeah, of course I did.
	There's always someone who will come in and tell you that you're wrong.
	You're wrong, Dvorak.
	You're wrong.
	And then I realized, suddenly, this morning, I realized, you're the guy from the cartoon.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you're the guy from that cartoon announcing the strippers.
	What guy?
	You haven't seen the latest from...
	Oh, no, I have not seen the strip for one.
	Oh, my goodness.
	The whole Club 33 Ravens sequence is there.
	It's not the one where they burn the place down?
	No, no, no.
	That's the one I'd like to see.
	Well...
	Yeah.
	There's a lot more to that one, but you're really good.
	You are the star of the show.
	Well, good.
	Yeah.
	And we have over a thousand subscribers now on the YouTubes.
	Apparently, that's good.
	What?
	She has a thousand subscribers.
	Well, that's true.
	Yeah.
	But apparently, that's really good.
	Apparently that's when the algos kick in and then you get virality.
	And then you get virality and you're all over the news.
	Then you have to go to 100,000 subscribers to get the big boys.
	And then the big mill.
	And then you get deplatformed.
	That's how it goes.
	Well, that could be.
	But by then we should be on Netflix.
	And as a general rule now, every single time I tweet out or retweet one of those videos of No Agenda Animated Studios, I always do hashtag Netflix.
	Amazon's got money too, and so does apparently now.
	We have a new, I don't know what to call him, but they took over the CEO of HBO and moved him over to Apple.
	Yeah, now is he going to run the Apple TV stuff?
	I guess so.
	You know, they have a bunch of shows.
	They advertise them on television.
	They have a whole slew of shows.
	There's one with Jennifer Aniston.
	It was one of the Apple presentations.
	Original programming that nobody gets to watch.
	I actually would almost get Apple TV just to watch a series with Jennifer Aniston.
	I like her.
	Yeah, you've said this before in the show.
	Yeah, and she lives in Austin.
	You're in denial about the fact that she's a next-door neighbor and refuses to see you.
	She lives in Austin, you know.
	She refuses to see me.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yes, well, that would be good, and we could totally snow those guys with it.
	But don't use these words.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Yeah, like they listen.
	Like Eddie Q is listening.
	Well, there's that.
	No, no, no.
	But I have Eddie's number.
	I'll call him.
	Eddie, I got some hot shit for you, man.
	We got the algos that are triggered on the YouTubes.
	You know, they've got $100 billion to throw away.
	They might as well, and they're putting it on, there's two or three shows that are doing it, but I don't know how many shows, maybe five?
	There's a bunch of shows that nobody's getting to see any of them.
	Yeah, I think it's more than five and then a couple movies.
	Aren't they doing some feature-length stuff as well?
	I didn't hear that, but why not?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, we'll see.
	We've got to come up with a budget.
	That's the problem.
	We've got to justify a budget because really, you know, the budget is almost zero.
	It's the three of us with Jen making them.
	Yeah, we're the writers for all practical purposes.
	Yes, and showrunners and producers.
	Yeah, the writers.
	It's not a very good position on any show.
	Almost all TV shows are all writers.
	Anyway, so what else is going on?
	I had the funny line the other day.
	I'm going over at Whole Foods and I'm looking across at the next person over at the next checker.
	And I said...
	And I actually thought this was true.
	I said, that's Salman Rushdie.
	Who was checking or packing the bags?
	No, it was just a customer just leaving.
	And she looks just like him.
	I said, yeah.
	But then again, everybody in Berkeley looks like Salman Rushdie.
	Got a big laugh.
	And then I said, and the men look even worse.
	And you got run out of town.
	You sexist, misogynist douche.
	Or not?
	No.
	Oh, that's good.
	They don't care.
	They're actually pretty lackadaisical about anything.
	So they got some humor still left in Berkeley.
	That's good to know.
	She could laugh.
	She laughed and laughed and laughed and then one of her piercings fell out of her mouth.
	Now that's the punchline.
	So, the jet lag is still kind of with me, taking a little bit longer.
	You weren't gone that long.
	Yeah, but usually I think the trip home is what really screwed me up, just because it took much longer than it should have, so I didn't really get into the right rhythm.
	So, of course, yesterday, all the build-up.
	Oh, boy, this is going to be it.
	The big show is coming to the TV. This is the worst.
	Yeah, we're going all the way.
	This is it.
	This is the impeachment hearing.
	And it was so hard for me to stay awake, certainly the first hour or two hours.
	And I'm kind of dozing off because of the jet lag.
	But I keep getting awakened by tweets.
	You can only guess what the tweets were from yesterday.
	What?
	Here we go.
	What?
	I'm going to read them to you.
	Oh, great.
	Read the transcript!
	The Dems voted!
	I just lost it now.
	Where was it?
	Read the transcript.
	The Dems voted to continue their impeachment sham.
	I need your input.
	Complete the impeachment poll now!
	All uppercase.
	Our all-new 2020 calendars have arrived.
	My amazing wife, Melania, hand-picked each photo.
	Get one before they're gone!
	Yes.
	Oh, so they put it back into high gear.
	Oh, yeah.
	Two times match.
	No, listen to this.
	Oh, yeah.
	This is a good one.
	2X match.
	Missing.
	Adam.
	2X match.
	By who?
	I don't know.
	The gods.
	Who is the person doing this matching?
	Missing.
	President Trump wants a list of all donors who step up during this impeachment hoax.
	Hurry!
	Donate in the next hour.
	President Trump, colon, Adam, I noticed you didn't step up during the fake impeachment hearings.
	3x match unlocked just for you for one hour.
	Donate now!
	3X match?
	Just for me.
	It's unlocked.
	It's just for you.
	Just for me.
	So I'm reading this to the keeper last night.
	She says, did you donate?
	I said, no!
	This is the most insulting thing in the world.
	I wouldn't donate to anyone with this message.
	This is so horrible.
	But man, they are pushing.
	3X match.
	This is all fundraising for the Republicans.
	And it's all Jared Kushner.
	That's part of the reason.
	You think it's Kushner behind the fundraising?
	No, we talked about this.
	This is WinRed.
	That's the company that does all this now.
	That's Kushner's operation.
	It's dynamite.
	You know that most people are going to go, oh, geez, oh, yeah, he's going to work.
	Put money in there.
	3X match.
	3X match.
	Oh, no.
	In other words, if I give a dollar, I've given $3.
	That's great.
	Sure.
	So before we get into the...
	By the way, before we go away from that...
	Okay.
	The Democrats use this too, and I've also seen it elsewhere.
	And I've seen it on some public radio, and I say, well, we have an unknown donor that's going to match everything, unless we don't get to...
	If we get to 10,000, they'll double it.
	But it's like, they never say...
	There's a scam going on.
	It must be.
	I mean, who's...
	And it says 3X match.
	I mean, maybe some guy whose name is 3X is going to hand you a match.
	I don't know what this is.
	I find it highly sketchy.
	It should be investigated.
	I think it should be.
	I think there's some things, yeah.
	And they use Bitly links.
	It sounds illegal to me.
	They use Bitly links, which I don't like either.
	So, of course, I did watch this thing, sadly.
	But it was crap weather.
	It's freezing here.
	Well, it actually got a little warmer today, but we've had 29 degrees overnight.
	It's bad.
	Yikes.
	Yes.
	That's Port Angeles weather.
	So some of the lead-up to this was, and I really have reactions and some things.
	I saw you have a couple of clips.
	I don't know what they are, but we'll get to those.
	And I can always count on you for bringing it.
	I didn't bring anything.
	I couldn't get good clips.
	You brought what you could.
	I knew you would bring something.
	They did bring something.
	Bill Moyers was on the...
	I saw this.
	This guy's an idiot.
	He's on the Brian Seltzerwater show on CNN. Really?
	Because he was on Democracy Now!
	And his big thing is PBS should shut down its programming and put the impeachment hearings on 24-7.
	Well...
	He kind of contradicts that statement in his conversation with the Seltzer Kid.
	And of course, that's a media show, so talking about the media.
	And what I found most interesting is that they are discussing amongst themselves, and I presume he considers himself a journalist, yeah?
	A journalist?
	A newsman?
	What is he?
	Yeah, he's been a broadcast news guy mainly.
	But a journalist.
	For 50 years, he's really an old-timer.
	So they're sitting there explaining...
	He's a very, very progressive left-winger.
	He's always been.
	Yeah, and what they're sitting there discussing is how it's their responsibility to...
	Well, it goes a little bit beyond informing.
	Surprise, surprise.
	Not just reporting, but...
	And as we know, the pod's honest truth.
	It happens on podcasts all the time.
	It usually gets edited out of the mainstream things.
	In this case, it was left in...
	As the truth always wants to come out.
	On the eve of another impeachment hearings this week, do you fear for the country?
	For the first time in my long life, and I was born in the Depression, lived through World War II, have been a part of Politics and government for all these years now.
	Yes, for the first time.
	Because a society, a democracy can die of too many lies.
	And we're getting close to that terminal moment unless we reverse the obsession with lies that are being fed around the country.
	So will people care this week?
	Will democracy hold up through this process?
	Some people will always care.
	And we have to remember that we need to serve those people who will get up in the morning and watch the hearings.
	We'll come home at night and watch the hearings because they really want to be confused.
	They want to understand.
	They want to cut through.
	Cut through the confusion.
	Yeah, the lie.
	Uh-huh.
	They want to be confused.
	They really want to be confused.
	They want to understand the lies.
	So we have to be concerned with them.
	Then we have to think about how do we reach the people who don't care.
	How do we reach them?
	How do we let them know about the lies?
	They want to be confused.
	Yes!
	That's exactly right.
	Just want to be confused.
	Confusing statements such as Eric Swalwell, who we haven't heard from.
	Oh, that's my clip.
	Well, no, this is a clip before the impeachment.
	Oh, Swalwell's a douche.
	It's unbelievable.
	It looks like one, too.
	That's what's interesting.
	We have discussed many times...
	That ambassadors are appointees, they're political appointees, but they're typically high-end donors and bundlers.
	Well, that's only in the choice spots.
	Yeah.
	Oh, in the choice spots, sure.
	The professional foreign service people, they're in places like Ethiopia.
	Right.
	Well, then Ukraine, I guess, that's not a choice spot, is it?
	That's a bad spot to be, perhaps.
	It depends if you like vodka or not.
	So Swalwell has a different view of these appointees.
	How important is a quid pro quo, period, in order for you to make your case in an article of impeachment?
	It's an abuse of power to remove an ambassador for political reasons because you don't like what they're doing.
	They're appointed for political reasons, but okay.
	It's a gross abuse of power if you ask a political ally like the Ukrainians to investigate your opponent.
	It's a gross, extreme abuse of power if you leverage a White House meeting, which may not seem like much to us as Americans, but to other countries, that's the most important thing you can get.
	It's an extraordinary abuse of power if you remove an ambassador.
	He tried to say unlawfully, but even he can't justify saying that.
	If you remove an ambassador the way the president did, ask for investigations, leverage a White House meeting, and $391 million in taxpayer dollars.
	That's what we're investigating.
	Well, we can say, maybe that's all bad, but it's not impeachable.
	Well, that's not America either, if we allow that to happen.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, that's a little different.
	If it's just not America, who cares?
	Yes, this has been around.
	I don't know what's wrong with this guy.
	He really doesn't even understand basic civics.
	No.
	He's a congressman who thinks that, what, these ambassadors are, like, Supreme Court justices?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	That's what he's thinking.
	The way I saw this yesterday, with the two witnesses who were chosen, an ambassador, a temporary ambassador, acting ambassador, and the deputy assistant to the...
	This is like, if you're the deputy assistant...
	To the...
	What the hell was his title now, Kent?
	It's the State Department.
	Yeah, but he's like deputy assistant.
	What is deputy assistant?
	Do you get coffee at that level?
	Or what exactly is the deputy of the assistant?
	No, you're the guy who gets to assign who gets the coffee.
	Ah, so you're above most.
	All right.
	So these are career State Department people.
	Yes, and this guy, by the way, the Ukrainian guy, is a careerer.
	Yeah.
	And that is not a plumb ambassadorship by any means.
	You said that earlier, you suggested it.
	The big donors, they get England, France, - Rome.
	- Vatican.
	- Vatican's choice.
	Vatican's like choice.
	And then there's-- - Japan, Japan is a good one.
	- Italy would be good.
	Russia's probably one that you might wanna, but this tends to be a spook.
	- Singapore, Singapore would be nice.
	- Singapore would be good.
	I'd say Hong Kong would be fun.
	I'd take Australia.
	China's probably a plum job, but you'd probably have to be CIA again.
	Well, China, as you know, is asshole.
	Yeah.
	Japan, for sure.
	Yeah.
	All right, take us into the actual meeting, John.
	Well, you know, I was going to play, I had a Schiff clip where he comes on, he starts off.
	Oh, first of all, can I make an observation?
	Is this just that I'm only seeing it now?
	But Schiff's chair, which is the chairman chair, is bigger than all the rest.
	Oh yeah, it's a big giant chair.
	Is that always that way for all of the chair people?
	I believe so.
	Okay.
	But I could be wrong because this was really noticeable.
	I noticed it too.
	And thinking on it, I had to consider the fact that maybe this isn't always the case because why would I notice this so much?
	I noticed the same thing.
	You know what I mean?
	The chair is really big.
	How come I haven't seen this before?
	Huge monster chair.
	It really is significantly bigger.
	So he had his opening that went on forever and how important all this is.
	Then Nunes comes on and he does his opening, which is a little more reasonable.
	And I thought, and Nunes, this was long too, but I thought the beginning of the Nunes opening, or I call it the opening of the opening, I thought it really summarized what's going on.
	I think he's right.
	In a July open hearing of this committee following publication of the Mueller report, the Democrats engaged in a last-ditch effort to convince the American people that President Trump is a Russian agent.
	That hearing was the pitiful finale of a three-year-long operation by the Democrats, the corrupt media, and partisan bureaucrats to overturn the results of the 2016 election.
	After the spectacular implosion of their Russia hoax on July 24, in which they spent years denouncing any Republican who ever shook hands with a Russian, on July 25, We should forget
	about them reading fabrications of Trump-Russia collusion from the Steele dossier into the congressional record.
	We should also forget about them trying to obtain nude pictures of Trump from Russian pranksters who pretended to be Ukrainian officials.
	That was the radio DJs, right, who called up Schiff?
	That was a great bit.
	We should forget about them leaking a false story to CNN while he was still testifying to our committee claiming that Donald Trump Jr.
	was colluding with WikiLeaks.
	And forget about countless other deceptions large and small that make them the last people on earth with the credibility to hurl more preposterous accusations at their political opponents.
	And yet now, here we are.
	We're supposed to take these people at face value when they trot out a new batch of allegations.
	But anyone familiar with the Democrats' scorched-earth war against President Trump would not be surprised to see all the typical signs that this is a carefully orchestrated media smear campaign.
	Yeah, well, I don't know if you have that, but at a certain point he said, you know, you're now in the low-rent sequel to the Mueller movie, and now you're the leading roles in this piece of crap.
	I mean, it was really disappointing.
	I was expecting at least some fireworks, but they had poorly cast actors.
	There was no script, or at least there was a script, but not with a plot that made any sense.
	It was just the tension arc was all wrong.
	There was nothing.
	The only thing I liked was having professional lawyers whose name is Counsel.
	You know, a little name sign there.
	I'm just Counsel.
	Then that guy for the Republicans, he looked like a horrible asshole.
	A shark, man.
	I like that.
	Those guys, at least that's some courtroom questioning that felt a little good.
	You could even see the guy getting a little flustered as he's bopping him back.
	Yeah, it was still not a car.
	Shaking him like a car.
	No, none of it was.
	It was a very bad television show.
	Yeah, and to put it on anything besides C-SPAN 3...
	Yeah, that was telling.
	That was telling.
	When they put it on C-SPAN 3, you know that even when C-SPAN's not even making it prime time, you know you've got a dud.
	So here's the newness in his unanswered questions.
	I thought this was kind of poignant.
	It kind of made some sense.
	It was part of his opening, and I want to play it.
	We should not hold any hearings at all until we get answers to three crucial questions the Democrats are determined to avoid asking.
	Number one, who killed Jeffrey Epstein?
	First, what is the full extent of the Democrats' prior coordination with the whistleblower?
	And who else did the whistleblower coordinate this effort with?
	Second, what is the full extent of Ukraine's election meddling against the Trump campaign?
	And third, why did Reesma hire Hunter Biden?
	And what did he do for them?
	And did his position affect any U.S. government actions under the Obama administration?
	These questions will remain outstanding because Republicans were denied the right to call witnesses that know these answers.
	Eh, meh.
	So the only good clip I have, because I couldn't find, I listened, I tried, I must have gotten by me because I probably conked out more than once trying to listen to this thing.
	Yeah.
	It was the squid pro quo that apparently the ambassador said.
	There's no squid pro quo.
	Where is that?
	If anyone ever finds that, we'll take it and use it.
	Oh, you don't have that clip.
	I don't have it either.
	I thought you had it.
	I couldn't find it.
	I tried and tried.
	Oh, man.
	Because I heard it and then you tweeted like, oh, the only thing is the squid pro quo.
	Oh, no, the newsletter.
	I'm like, oh good, he's got the Squid Pro Co-clip.
	I never said I had it, I knew of it.
	Yeah, but what kind of...
	If you hear something like this, if you hear this, you must clip.
	I didn't hear it, I only heard of it.
	Oh, you didn't hear it.
	Oh, I'm sorry, okay.
	So when I went to go find it, I fell asleep.
	Probably most of the time, and then I couldn't hear it, and so I never got it.
	So if anybody has it, we'll run it later.
	But I do have this, somebody found this little gem, and you had to hear it.
	You hear it in here, it's a little faux pas, some stupidity.
	Here is Swalwell grilling, he grills everybody, but you're a never-Trumper, you're a never-Trumper, you're a never-Trumper.
	You know, it's like Oprah.
	And you're a never-Trumper, and you're a never-Trumper.
	Just about an hour before the two of you sat down to testify today, the President tweeted multiple times about this hearing, and he put in all caps, NEVER TRUMPERS. Mr.
	Kent, are you a never-Trumper?
	I am a career non-professional who serves whatever president is duly elected and carries out the foreign policies of that president.
	I am an android.
	I am a robot.
	I will do as I am told.
	...elected and carries out the foreign policies of that president in the United States, and I've done that for 27 years for three Republican presidents and two Democrat presidents.
	Ambassador Taylor, are you a never-Trumper?
	No, sir.
	Well, what was wrong with that?
	He says, instead of saying, I'm a career non-partisan...
	Oh, I didn't even hear that.
	He says, I'm a career non-professional.
	Just about an hour before the two of you sat down to testify today, the president tweeted multiple times about this hearing, and he put in all caps, NEVER TRUMPERS. Mr.
	Kent, are you a never-Trumper?
	I am a career non-professional who serves whatever president is duly elected.
	You have the ISO. Ah, great catch, an ISO. I am a career non-professional.
	Yeah, now, end of show, boom, done, nailed it.
	Well, I got other ISOs to consider.
	Oh, really?
	Well, wait, when they're appropriate, I'd love to hear them, but so far, it's top of the list.
	Yes, well, I was the only one.
	Ambassador.
	Yeah, I'm a career non-professional.
	That's a good one.
	What?
	Ambassador Taylor.
	That was like a robotic speech you nailed, and that's why he made that gaffe, and he just plowed right through it.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, he's obviously a never-Trumper because he wouldn't deny it.
	I'm giving you a borderline for that, actually.
	Borderline.
	Flip of the plane.
	Deserved.
	Deserved.
	That's one of our producers, actually.
	Oh, well, come on.
	You and I don't do any work.
	We just sit here and look at email and watch TV. Everybody knows it.
	Everybody else does all the work.
	Ambassador Taylor slipped up.
	Another...
	This may be a theme today.
	The truth wants to come out once again.
	My question...
	Ambassador Taylor, the President conditioning security assistance on an investigation into his political opponent.
	Prior to this administration, is this something we would do all the time?
	No, sir.
	Why not?
	We condition assistance on issues that will improve our foreign policy, serve our foreign policy, ensure that taxpayers' money is well spent, and those conditions are always Either coming from the Congress or from policy decisions stemming from authority Congress has given us to make sure that the taxpayers' money is well spent or that the
	receiving country takes the actions in our nation.
	You know that's what's happening.
	You know that they're sending money to companies.
	Yeah, the receiving company.
	You know that's exactly what's going on.
	How does that get in your brain unless that's what's going on?
	Yeah.
	And then this one was, I thought this was interesting because it's a legal thing, and as you know, I'm taking the bar next month, so I'm always interested in these types of legal opinions.
	This is Representative Quigley.
	Quickly.
	Hold on.
	Rewind quickly for a second.
	I guess to close, Primer, on hearsay, I think the American public needs to be reminded that countless people have been convicted on hearsay because the courts have routinely allowed and created needed Exceptions to hearsay.
	Hearsay can be much better evidence than direct, as we have learned in painful instances, and it's certainly valid in this sense.
	Well, gentlemen, yield because none of those exceptions would apply to this testimony.
	Now, did you understand any of this about hearsay being used and sometimes being much more powerful than direct evidence?
	Well, I heard what he said, and what he was saying is because these two witnesses were both basing everything on hearsay, and later it turns out, at least according to one source I saw on Twitter, so I haven't confirmed this, but apparently the ambassador later revealed that most of his information came from the New York Times.
	So, another clip that I was going to get, but figured you had it because you tweeted.
	I'm unfollowing you.
	I'm going to block you.
	When you actually commented on it, I'm like, oh, he's got that clip too.
	I'm making an ass out of myself.
	When you assume...
	Yes, I'm making an ass out of myself.
	You're making an ass out of you and me.
	I agree.
	I have learned my lesson.
	Which is a possibility.
	That he just got all this stuff in the New York Times?
	Because what else?
	No, he said this in the hearing.
	He said, I read it in the New York Times.
	So I think what you got was I pointed out that this is an old spook trick.
	Yes.
	Is where you plant something in a newspaper, usually overseas, but you can do it in the United States now.
	You plant some bogus story in the New York Times with sources, you know, people with knowledge of the situation.
	And you put that in there.
	This guy reads the New York Times.
	He reads the New York Times.
	They grill him about it at the hearing.
	He says, yeah, well, the way I heard it, Trump was out to get this guy.
	And then he says he read it in the New York Times.
	He never says he read it in the New York Times.
	Yes, he does.
	Yeah, he did.
	But most of his testimony, if it all came from the New York Times, he's not going to say, well, according to the New York Times, according to the New York Times, he's just going to say what he thinks.
	Mm-hmm.
	And then the New York Times picks it up and says, it's confirmed!
	Yeah.
	Which is the old spook trick.
	Yes, exactly.
	Then they say, see, confirmed, he said it.
	He said, but they forget to mention that he read it in their newspaper.
	Yeah, it's an old trick, and it works well, and people fall for it, and nobody's the wiser.
	So, it came up in the conversation that there was, this is all second-hand information, that he has a note.
	He never heard this from Trump.
	He never heard this from anybody at all.
	No.
	He read it someplace.
	And so then this guy comes out, the clip you have, comes out and starts defending hearsay.
	Yeah.
	But he makes the mistake of saying hearsay is better.
	Yeah.
	It's better.
	It's direct, which is never true.
	It's much better.
	It's much better.
	What do you know?
	Are you up there?
	Do you have a chair?
	A big chair?
	No.
	Stupid citizen, be quiet.
	Uh...
	The current Democratic nominee for presidential race, Joseph Biden, was asked to provide some reaction.
	We're not sure.
	Well, did he watch?
	Did he not watch?
	Let's hear what...
	And these are actual journalists who are querying...
	I think if you listen to...
	And I think it's only two women that I can hear.
	They sound like they really feel sad for Joe.
	You'll hear it.
	Did you watch today?
	Can we get a quick reaction, Mr.
	Biden?
	Did you watch today?
	I didn't get to see anything.
	I heard it was pretty devastating to the president.
	How so?
	You saw it.
	You know how so.
	So the question, what did you think?
	Well, I didn't see it.
	I heard it was pretty devastating.
	How so?
	Well, you watched it.
	You know why.
	And then they just go, uh...
	That's it.
	They just melt away.
	You're right.
	They sound like, oh, poor guy's insane.
	Yes.
	Or he's senile.
	Yeah, like, wow.
	It's like their old senile uncle.
	Because clearly he's full of crap.
	Clearly he has no idea.
	He just said, oh, that's pretty devastating.
	Which everyone knows it wasn't devastating, whatever you took away from it.
	Well, there was a Dimension B split here, because I was reading, I follow a number of people ahead of the DNC, and there's a bunch of these Democrats, and you read their tweets, it's like, Oh, the president's toast.
	He was ruined by this guy's testimony.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Well, then you're reading what Joe's reading.
	Then I understand his response.
	Joe's reading the same thing I'm reading.
	That's the impression you get.
	It's devastating.
	But at least you said, well, I read some tweets.
	It was devastating.
	Joe doesn't even go that far.
	He's like, hey, you watched, didn't you?
	Stupid journalist.
	And then I caught this on One America News, of all places, with the presenter that I'm not particularly a fan of.
	The blonde.
	Kind of like the low-rent Tommy Lahren.
	That's the way I look at it.
	Just talking as a TV executive, people, okay?
	And she has some dude on.
	And he's done a Freedom of Information Act request for anything the State Department might have regarding Hunter Biden.
	And it turns out, oh, why, yes, there is something that the State Department has.
	It It's a request.
	Alright Josh, talk to me about this.
	We can show this email on the screen by the way.
	These are emails obtained using FOIA, the Freedom of Information Act, that show lobbyists for Burisma wanting to get in contact with the Obama administration using Hunter Biden's name.
	Isn't this exactly what the Bidens have denied happened?
	The short answer to that, Liz, is yes.
	I mean, FOIA is a hell of a drug.
	FOIA litigation in the federal courts is oftentimes crazy just because of what it ends up divulging.
	And this is no different than that.
	The timeline here is pretty crazy.
	It looks like one month before Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire this prosecutor who was looking into Burisma, literally one month before that, Burisma was in communication with the U.S. State Department trying to get a meeting and they were expressly name-dropping Hunter Biden as a reason to get that meeting.
	Not only is everything that you just said true, not only did they name-drop Hunter Biden to try to get a meeting with the Obama administration's State Department, they expressly said they wanted to talk about corruption investigations into Burisma.
	Exactly what Joe Biden ended up doing for them In that video that we've all seen a hundred times where he brags about a quid pro quo getting, you know, the Ukrainian president to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, the company on which his son sat on a board, that's what this email expressed that the lobbyists said that's what they wanted to talk about.
	So I'll explain what she said without the yelling, but it's really...
	Yeah, why are you yelling?
	I mean, it has nothing to do with how she looks.
	It's just the yelling.
	So there's a...
	The presentation skills are not...
	You're right.
	She should back off.
	Yeah, just tone it down 80%.
	You'd be fine.
	And blink.
	Blink once.
	Some shots of that jambo stuff would probably happen.
	That jambo stuff will do it to her.
	Yeah.
	So, this FOIA request shows that Burisma did indeed say, hey, we want a meeting regarding this prosecutor that you guys want to, you know, that we think we should get rid of.
	And, you know, by the way, Hunter Biden's on our board.
	We have other prominent board members.
	And that's...
	I believe in the timeline a day or two before Joe did the famous, hey, you know, remove that prosecutor.
	That seems, at least to me, it seems like that's something someone could jump on.
	But no, it's on One America News.
	That's worse than a podcast.
	That's nothing.
	It's basically a video podcast, let's face it.
	Yeah, so, I don't know.
	These are just little data points, I'm sure.
	Everybody has some opinion about everything.
	But it's just boring.
	It's a bad show and a waste of time.
	Not that we're unhappy doing it, because that is what we do, so you don't have to.
	But, you know, there was really nothing in it.
	It was nudnik, senseless.
	Just no story.
	These things are all show anyway.
	Bring Norman Lear in if you have to.
	Bring somebody in to produce this for you.
	Get a rundown.
	Stupid.
	Oh!
	Oh no!
	There she is!
	Ah!
	Ah!
	Oh yes!
	It's time for the swoop once again!
	And this is one clip that I was not taking any chances you wouldn't have it.
	This was Emma Barnett on BBC who had a sit-down half-hour interview with Hillary and Chelsea.
	The Gutsy Women book was being promoted.
	And I know you read the headline.
	Did you hear the interview?
	I did not.
	Oh, you will love it!
	That brings me nicely on.
	As a gutsy woman, Hilary, do you feel you have unfinished business in politics?
	Well, I do.
	As an activist, advocate, citizen.
	No, no, I know.
	I know exactly what you meant, but I can only answer with what I mean, which is I'm going to keep speaking out.
	You know, there are those who say, go away, don't say anything, and that's just not going to happen.
	She said hi to us.
	Did you hear it?
	I'm going to keep speaking out.
	You know, there are those who say, go away, don't say anything, and that's just not going to happen.
	Go into the woods with your dog.
	Yeah, exactly, and never come out.
	That is not going to happen.
	Look, I feel a sense of responsibility.
	Now, you really...
	I had to listen to it three times to hear what's going on, because you just listen to it, and you hear what she's saying, and it's exciting what she's saying, but when you really get down to when she uses past tense and present tense, it gets very interesting.
	Not going to happen.
	Look, I feel a sense of responsibility, partly because my name was on the ballot.
	I got more votes, but ended up losing to the current incumbent in the White House, who I think is really undermining our democracy in very fundamental ways.
	And I want to retire him.
	Did you say something?
	Yeah, I want you to stop.
	Sure.
	I want to just ask you a question.
	When Hillary lost, didn't she come out and say she's going to do everything she can to help this president succeed?
	Do we have videotape?
	Well, I think there's probably an old clip of it, but...
	You remember that?
	No.
	I mean, I sure remember it.
	No, I really don't remember.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, we'll go on.
	If I knew how to find the clip, I would.
	No, don't worry about it.
	This is impossible.
	Too many Hillary clips.
	And by the way, she's not talking about the president.
	She's talking about the current incumbent in the White House, because God forbid she say president.
	The White House, who I think is really undermining our democracy in very fundamental ways...
	And I want to retire him.
	I want to see him retired.
	So I'm going to be helping our side try to put together the strongest possible campaign, which will be difficult.
	Are you going to run again?
	No.
	That is 100%.
	So in a few days, I'm not going to open my newspaper.
	Well, you know, I never say never to anything.
	You've only got a few days left.
	No, it's way past time.
	Now, okay.
	I'm going to analyze this because I have heard it several times.
	She was ready for the question, so she was ready to say no.
	But then when Emma Barnett starts questioning a little further, it spills out like diarrhea.
	Well, no, no, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	That is 100%.
	So in a few days, I'm not going to open my newspaper.
	Well, you know, I never say never to anything.
	You've only got a few days left.
	I know, it's way past time.
	She knows it's way past time.
	So what Emma said there very quietly in the background was, you know, you kind of have to register in a couple of states.
	So Hillary's well aware.
	That is 100%.
	So in a few days, I'm not going to open my newspaper.
	Well, you know, I never say never to anything.
	Even about a few days left.
	I know, it's way past time.
	But, you know, look, I think all the time about what kind of president I would have been.
	All right, now listen to the tense change from I would have been and to the present.
	Look, I think all the time about what kind of president I would have been and what I would have done differently and what I think it would have meant to our country and the world.
	So, of course, I think about it.
	I think about it all the time, being able to do that.
	And, look, whoever wins next time is...
	Being able to do that.
	She goes, would've, would've, would've, would've.
	I think about it all the time.
	And be not.
	If I were able, not what it would be like if I had been able, had been able, no, able going to have a really and what I think it would have meant to our country and the world.
	So, of course, I think about it.
	I think about it all the time being, you know, being able to do that.
	And look, whoever wins next time.
	I think about it all the time.
	Being able to do that.
	She said.
	She's running.
	Being able to do that.
	And look, whoever wins next time is going to have a big task trying to fix everything that's been broken.
	How would you feel in the last 48 hours or so while she's on this trip in the UK? Your mum decides.
	Now listen to how Chelsea, expertly I might add, puts Emma Barnett in her place.
	Like, shut up.
	This is my mom.
	I do what she wants.
	I am her protector.
	To throw her hat back in, Chelsea.
	Well, I'm always in her corner, Emma.
	So, shut up.
	You know, whatever she decides to do on any given day, I'm here to support and love her.
	Would you want to see her run again?
	Well, my most important role in Life Now is as a mother.
	Wow, expert.
	Expert deflection.
	She's very good, Chelsea.
	She's much better than I thought she was.
	This is not subtle, what she said to this Emma.
	Well, I'm always going to support my mom, Emma.
	Emma.
	She's running, John.
	This woman is running.
	Many, many people.
	Many, many people want her to run.
	All kinds of pressure.
	Many people wonder.
	I love it!
	No, that's fantastic.
	It's fantastic.
	And then she added one little...
	I think the little gacha that you nailed in this was the fact that Hillary was familiar with the deadlines to the point where she knew that she'd missed a number of them.
	Well, she's only missed a couple, but she's not going to take Iowa and New Hampshire anyway.
	She doesn't dislike even Bloomberg, who is running or claims to be.
	He's back in the race.
	He says he doesn't want to run in New Hampshire.
	What's the point?
	You have to run against a couple of New Englanders up there.
	They're going to whoever wins New Hampshire.
	Well, it doesn't matter.
	You don't need to win New Hampshire.
	There's not that many votes involved.
	Hillary knows, like no other, how to manipulate the superdelegates.
	And it's what she did with Bressa.
	She screwed Bernie.
	She was screwing Bernie and was very successful.
	I mean, it's a sawed-off term, but brokered convention comes to mind.
	Even that could happen.
	The problem that you have is the way – I don't think – the number of people have come up with this thesis that this is going to go to the convention.
	It's going to be deadlock between two or three people.
	That's why they're not getting rid of Bernie.
	They're going to keep him in there because he'll get a lot of votes.
	He'll get a lot of wins.
	And then Warren will get a lot of votes, and she'll get a lot of wins.
	And those are the two that are going to get most of the votes and wins.
	And they have to make the assumption that one of them is not going to run away with it.
	But they're also risking the possibility that one of them is going to run away with it and one of them could be Bernie.
	And the Democrats do not want Bernie, and they don't actually want Warren either.
	Right.
	So I don't know what this idea, this is pretty risky if you're going to go for a brokered convention.
	And then bring Hillary in at the last minute, it's going to look fishy.
	Yeah.
	I think we need one more person.
	Hillary has to run.
	She's going to have to throw her hat in the ring, and she's going to have to run, I think, South Carolina.
	She can win.
	Mm-hmm.
	She can win any of the southern states easily if she gets in in time to do that.
	Then she can easily win California.
	So she'd get California, New York, all the southern states, probably pick up Washington State and Oregon.
	She could easily win the whole thing or at least get it to the point where if there was a brokered convention, it would go to her easily.
	But it wouldn't look like she cheated and got in at the last minute, which is what a lot of these theorists are starting to say.
	Oh, you know what?
	She's going to wait.
	To the end, the very end, she's going to jump in.
	No, that's not going to work.
	So she has to throw her hat in the ring and she has to do it before South Carolina at least.
	And I don't know what the deadline is for South Carolina.
	I'm going to have to look it up.
	I think it's coming up.
	How about this Deval Patrick who is now apparently going to jump into the race?
	Yeah, Deval Patrick is an interesting character because I spotted him years ago.
	He's got the packaging, Roy, I'll tell you.
	He's got every handsome man.
	He's the next black president.
	I thought this years ago before he fell off the scene and then Cory Booker kind of stole his fire.
	Can you imagine being Deval Patrick and having Cory Booker steal your fire?
	Yeah.
	Cory Booker took over where Deval Patrick left off.
	Deval Patrick is a tremendously erudite, well-spoken...
	Oh, racist!
	He's erudite and well-spoken.
	If he's a white guy, he'd say the same thing.
	You don't understand racism, John.
	You don't understand racism.
	I can't say anything complimentary about this guy.
	But the fact is, he is extremely appealing.
	Yes.
	I always thought he was more appealing than Obama ever was.
	Well, he's the real deal.
	He's actually run something.
	Yeah, he's actually run a government.
	He's the real deal.
	He's the governor of Massachusetts.
	Yeah.
	But why they pushed him off over the side or what, I don't know.
	I don't get it.
	I don't think he can do it.
	They're not going to run another black male without one of the female.
	Because they've got their rules.
	And Joe Biden fits the ticket, exactly.
	Well, Joe Biden...
	Allow me to take a small sidestep since we stumbled upon racist comments.
	And I called racism because it is.
	And I have proof that what you said, he's erudite and well-spoken, is just, because he's a black man, is racist.
	And I have proof.
	But if I said that if he was a white guy, it wouldn't be racist?
	Correct.
	Correct.
	Because Joe Biden is not erudite.
	No.
	And Joe Biden is not well-spoken.
	Does that make him a black man?
	No.
	On Water's World, which I had never watched, but this came up on the MoFax show.
	On Water's World, he had a sociologist, a PhD, so a professor of sociology, I guess.
	Sociologist, professor of sociology.
	And this is a little bit back.
	It was about the math being racist.
	Which, of course, is nuts.
	And so this is not so much about the math being racist, but about the definition of racism.
	And it came out in such a beautiful way that I need to share it.
	Tell me why math is racist, Doctor.
	Yes.
	So, you...
	It's funny.
	On November 6, 2016, I was at a conference on statistics, and I raised my hand, and I was like...
	Are you telling me statistics are racist?
	And that was, what, almost three years ago?
	And I was really confused when I asked the question and spent years reading about many different things.
	Have you, Jesse, read Native Son, which I gave you last time we met?
	I read it in high school, but I have not re-read it since the last time you gave it to me.
	But what does that have to do with, is math racist?
	So, the critical race theory is a framework for understanding the world that helps us understand that this entire country is racist, right?
	We have a white supremacist caste, racial caste system in the United States.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Can you just stop for one second?
	Are you saying that all white people in America are racist?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I am too.
	Sometimes it happens.
	We were socialized, right?
	The process of socialization and learning about social norms.
	So you're a racist.
	You're a racist.
	Occasionally it happens.
	I usually apologize it when I realize it.
	How are you a racist?
	What do you think makes you superior?
	Jesse, that question doesn't make sense.
	Well, isn't racism the belief that one race is inherently superior than another race and then you discriminate against other races?
	That is a piece of racism, but you gave a definition that's really old.
	And language evolves over time.
	Race and white supremacy.
	What are race and white supremacy today?
	They are structures that affect us all.
	So people do things that are racist all the time, myself included, because we don't realize that's happening.
	Like microaggressions.
	Do you understand, John?
	Do you understand how I can easily say that you said something very racist?
	Yeah, well you can say that on every show and I can say the same thing to you.
	Of course, but this is the thinking and she just said it right there.
	That's an old definition.
	Sadly, Merriam-Webster, no one has updated the definition because it has to include the element of feeling superior over another race.
	And this is just nuts.
	But there you have it.
	It's the definite language changes.
	Shut up!
	I don't know what the long-term point of it is, that you want to make sure that all whites are racists.
	Yes!
	That is the point.
	No, let me restate that.
	I'm not sure what the point is.
	To make all whites racist.
	What is the point?
	Is there free money?
	Control.
	Control.
	Control over what you can say.
	And even what you can say.
	Then it goes right back to your old thesis, which is this is really a free speech issue.
	Of course it is.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's why we get letters condemning us for even suggesting that the global warming nonsense is overstated and is part of a control mechanism.
	I was not going to do this now, but I think I should take us right.
	I believe I have solved vocal fry.
	I didn't know you had vocal fry.
	I know.
	I didn't say I cured it.
	I said I have solved the mystery of vocal fry.
	Why it is done and why in particular young women do it.
	But before we do that, let's take a moment and talk about the T-glottalization.
	I don't know how you make this jump, by the way.
	Well, because it's also about women, young women in particular, but also young people who are changing speech patterns.
	Vocal fry is a speech pattern.
	Dropping tees is a speech pattern.
	We were just told by this woman that we're old in our thinking when it comes to the words we use, where everything we say is racist.
	This is something being pushed on us.
	Does that seem like really such a big jump?
	Yes, it does, but go on.
	Okay.
	Well, for the T-glottalization, it is more of what you just heard.
	Language changes, shut up.
	And I went to the expert on this.
	When you want to know something's going on with language and speech, you go to Grammar Girl.
	A study in the journal American Speech, examining the dialect of Vermonters, noticed that some traditional pronunciations were disappearing.
	Kyo for cow, for example, is declining.
	But that the dropping T's is increasing.
	The researchers spotted it in pronunciations like mountain for mountain and Vermon for Vermont.
	Have you heard someone say Vermon?
	No, but that sounds horrible.
	In another study conducted in the western United States, researchers found that young female speakers were more likely to use glottal stops than other groups they studied.
	The researchers suggested their findings may indicate that a broader change in pronunciation is afoot.
	They noticed that, quote, the literature on sociolinguistic change is replete with studies in which young women are on the cutting edge of language change.
	Aha!
	Unquote.
	And that's no surprise to people who borrowed phrases like as if and way harsh from movies like Clueless and Legally Blonde.
	Now, this is interesting because what she just said is that people pick that up from a movie.
	And I would wager that as Earth isn't really used anymore.
	So it was not a change.
	It was a temporary fad.
	Like, what's up?
	Also coming from media.
	So I call bullshit there on Grammar Girl, but okay.
	In answer to the biggest question of all...
	Wait a minute, hold on.
	I didn't understand what you said.
	She said that young women...
	Okay, well, here's what she said.
	We'll go back.
	...is replete with studies in which young women are on the cutting edge of language change.
	Young women are on the cutting edge of language change.
	And then instead of, well, look what developed in this particular group of women, no, she's now going to say that they heard it on a movie.
	Unquote.
	And that's no surprise to people who borrowed phrases like as if and way harsh from movies like Clueless and Legally Blonde.
	Well, hold on.
	Those movies are written usually by Hollywood writers and they're in Hollywood and they're not dreaming as if.
	The writers that wrote the movie that uses As If, one of the movies, there's a dozen of them, they got it from the street.
	Yes.
	Sure they did.
	It is the women driving, the women were driving the writing.
	But it went away.
	Okay, my point is, it didn't stick.
	People still don't, that's not a fundamental change.
	No, but a lot of it did stick.
	A lot of stuff sticks.
	Such as?
	Well, I think as if, a lot of it, okay, it doesn't stick permanently, but some of this, because what you're going to, because the examples I'm coming up with in my head are stuff that I know has kind of come and gone.
	But the valley girls speak in general.
	People don't do that anymore.
	It's now persiflished.
	Well, there's still little hints of it.
	Okay.
	In answer to the biggest question of all, why are people dropping their T's?
	We have a disappointing answer.
	Nobody really knows.
	Standard pronunciation across a region, even a country, changes gradually and is affected by countless untold changes gradually and is affected by countless untold causes.
	In the 400 years since English settlers first came to North America, what we call a British accent morphed into an American accent.
	And that accent in turn birthed countless others from the distinct dialects we hear in New York City and Dallas to the ones we hear in New Orleans and Minneapolis.
	Deglottalization can sound grating or slangy to some listeners today.
	But someday it may be the way all of us speak, and by that time, no doubt there will be yet another new pronunciation.
	She even calls it a pronunciation tick.
	Okay.
	This does lead into this outstanding deconstruction.
	I don't think this guy even knew what he was doing.
	Producer Joe sent me to this.
	This is a YouTuber from the UK. His screen name is Wings of Pegasus.
	And he's deconstructing Patsy Cline's voice.
	Which has a, I didn't even really think about it, but there is vocal fry in her voice and he's going to explain, well actually I left out a lot, but to create vocal fry, you know, you're actually blowing, you're using very little air, very little push from your diaphragm to get that.
	Yeah, you sound like a frog.
	That's the way frogs make that sound.
	Right.
	And she was able to go crazy.
	She would go in and out of that.
	And he says, well, I'm going to play the clip, that that vocal fry is part of what made her not just unique, but so incredibly successful.
	And in his deconstruction, I think he reveals the reason why women, in particular young women, are using this voice technique.
	The other thing that gives her such a great quality to her voice is that vocal fry.
	And if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's the way that the vocal cords come together with minimal air in a really relaxed state.
	If I'm going to demonstrate it, now I'm talking with my vocal cords coming together.
	I'm getting a very definite connection, and that's why I'm producing this noise, and if I was to hold on a particular note, it would always be there, because my vocal cords are connected.
	You might find some people who talk like this, they go, well, um...
	I just talk like this because it's the most relaxed way of talking.
	And Patsy Cline, when she sings, she has that control of her vocal cords so that she's just beyond vocal fry, but then can just end her lines with that.
	And to explain this further, when babies cry, Great example.
	Because babies don't know that they're using their voice the most efficient way possible because it's automatic.
	It's ingrained.
	It's just the way it is used when you're a baby.
	You can't think about diaphragmatic support and chest voice and head voice and falsetto.
	So when a baby cries, it always has vocal fry in there.
	So you get a wah, wah, wah.
	And it's that ah at the end that is the vocal fry.
	So having that control of your voice means that you can connect to an audience because there is a cry in your voice.
	And as humans, we are hot-wired Two, respond to a baby's cry.
	Because of evolution, everything about us is ensuring the next generation.
	So if a baby's crying, there's something wrong.
	You have to make it right.
	So if you can get that quality in your singing voice...
	You are going to connect at such a deep level, almost at a level that is human, that is intrinsic within all of us, and we don't even know that it's there, but when we hear it, we know that sound.
	I know it's a stretch.
	But when I heard this, my thinking immediately went to, well, yeah, if you do this particularly to a woman, and maybe as a woman, it triggers something at a very deep reptilian level, maybe, and there's more connection, more engagement.
	It sounds important.
	Well, you know, Britney Spears is almost nothing but vocal fry in her singing.
	Sure.
	And she's very popular.
	Yeah, no kidding.
	And, you know, maybe add a little data point about women not having children when they're young.
	So maybe there's even some heightened awareness in the...
	just in their entire...
	it's in their DNA. And, you know, at certain ages, and they hear the fry, and they're just drawn to it.
	And I'm not saying people are doing it on purpose, but the...
	The response that they're getting is much more leaning forward, deeper engagement, particularly from women, when women are doing this.
	Now, I don't have the clip.
	Again, today's show is an epic fail insofar as my clips, because I'm not talking about clips I didn't clip.
	Way to go.
	I have it on the next show, for sure, because I made sure to put it aside.
	There's a woman reading her own biography on...
	That's been floating around.
	And her whole voice is vocal fry.
	It's worse.
	It's beyond Jill.
	Really?
	There's not much that goes beyond Jill, but okay.
	I thought the same thing.
	One of our producers sent it to me and I said, no, nothing's beyond Jill, but it was beyond Jill.
	Hmm.
	Including the long endings that go on forever.
	Hold on.
	Obviously, I read the New York Times, like, all day long, mainly on my iPad app.
	God.
	So this woman is doing the same thing, and I just retweeted.
	This is terrible.
	This is Beyond Jill or something along those lines.
	A whole bunch of hate came my way.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, sure.
	Not for followers, just people.
	I don't know where they're getting loved.
	They come out of the woodworks, yeah.
	They're all writers.
	Female, mostly young adult YA, as it's called in the business.
	Mostly YA writers, young adult fiction.
	Writers, and they were all women, and they were all women defending the vocal fry girl.
	And I'm thinking, and one of them was, the comment was, I don't see why you're listening, you know, coming on our voices, not commenting on our content, which is not true if you think of McLuhan-esque.
	Because commenting on everything is part of the message.
	There's a message and there's a message and the medium is a message.
	And the voice is a message.
	Everything's a message.
	So it's all part of the communications system.
	So you can do this.
	It's legal to criticize somebody's voice.
	I mean, if they sound like Elmer Fudd and they're reading Shakespeare, it's part of the message.
	Of course.
	Of course, yes.
	So I have to, now I have to go get this.
	What do you think of the basic thesis?
	Well, the basic thesis is outstanding.
	And it would make nothing but sense to me that women would start to pick this, because they would get, if you start to develop, say, this is like the glottal stop and all the rest of it, but let's say that you're a woman and you're talking in vocal fry.
	And other women, because of the baby thing, Yeah.
	And they don't have babies, but they still get triggered by this because it's primal.
	They get triggered and they come closer and they want to listen to you more.
	This is why I think I got so much flack for condemning this vocal fry chick.
	In fact, it wasn't her message at all that was attractive to these women.
	It was the fact that this woman has this crying going on.
	These are women who are...
	They're crying.
	And we're making fun of them.
	And by the way, I can take that as a criticism.
	I don't want to say pathetic, but these are women who are literally crying.
	They're pleading.
	They're crying as they speak.
	And that's where the vocal fry is.
	And they're...
	They're asking for help and nobody's giving it to them.
	Instead, we're here like a couple of douchebags calling them out as idiots.
	And the way they receive that is an attack against motherhood.
	That's why it's so vicious.
	And even though they don't know it, when you say, hey man, that fry, they're like, you?
	So they're saying, you can't do this, you know, who are you, old man, okay boomer, all that.
	But then what they're really saying, what they're saying in their heart is, you don't care about babies, you hate babies.
	And that's what's triggering you.
	It's true.
	Once again, ladies and gentlemen, this is your no agenda show.
	It's how the system works.
	Our producers send us something.
	We can deconstruct it.
	We break it down.
	We have solved vocal fry.
	And now, to put it to use for yourself...
	Because you can totally get an audience to listen to you.
	And I think I have to do more crying.
	Maybe that's where the uptalk comes in.
	Well, we've got to deconstruct uptalk in some similar way.
	Now, I want to say something about the vocal fry.
	You've got some woman that's giving a lot of vocal fry.
	Instead of ridiculing her like we tend to do with pretty much everything.
	Yes.
	Oh, you poor thing.
	Well, we now have a new name.
	Have that in your heart.
	You poor thing.
	You must be so sad and miserable.
	It's no longer vocal fry, it's vocal cry.
	Vocal cry?
	Vocal cry.
	Now we understand.
	And I think if we pay attention, we might learn, in particular, how other women, but men too, of course.
	I mean, I respond to the sound of a baby.
	Yeah.
	Shut that baby up!
	That's actually not the way I respond, but some people do, yes?
	If you've had enough of them and they're still living in your house, yeah, I understand these.
	I understand that response.
	And since I mentioned it, I think we need to have an OK Boomer segment on this show.
	We need a jingle first.
	Now I want to do a segment where we have the OK Boomer.
	OK Boomer.
	It's OK with you.
	It's OK with me.
	OK Boomer.
	OK Boomer.
	It's OK Boomer.
	That won't be it.
	No, but it will be the next No Agenda animated show, that's for sure.
	And now, I have a question.
	Because a boomer, the cutoff is 1964.
	Is that right?
	Yeah.
	Does that mean if you're born in 1964, second half of 1964, am I still a boomer?
	Or is the cutoff at December 31st, 1963?
	Well, I think it would have to be based on the end of World War II, whatever date that was.
	That would be the date, the cutoff date.
	Because boomers came right—boomers technically are right at the end of World War II is when boomers began.
	Now, that's the beginning, but what's the cutoff?
	Yeah.
	Well, that would be your fiscal year.
	So the end of World War II, whatever that date is, someone can look it up.
	Well, here's what I have.
	Boomers born 1946 to 1964 between 54 and 72 years old.
	Yeah.
	You kind of irk that you're like a late boomer?
	No, I just want to know who my people are, John.
	Well, I'm your people.
	That's why we get along.
	You barely made the cut, man.
	I'm like, I'm second string boomer.
	I just want to make sure that I can feel spoken to when people say, okay, boomer, this actually happens to me now.
	Okay, boomer.
	In what universe did you wake up and think that that would insult me?
	But okay, okay, boomer.
	I think, okay, boomer is a...
	And I like it because I do identify as a second string boomer.
	I identify with things changing that I don't like.
	Change it from second string.
	This is a bad attitude.
	It's not second string.
	It's second wave.
	Second wave.
	Okay.
	Backbencher.
	Let's call it.
	I'm a backbencher boomer.
	So I'm on the back bench.
	But then I hear what they're doing with certain things, and the boomer in me wants to protest the change to the ABC song.
	Which, I don't know if this is some derivative of common core, or...
	What?
	Yes.
	So the ABC song...
	Was as the older boomer, the OG boomer.
	The boomer OG. I don't know this.
	Well, you know the song.
	Of course you know this.
	ABC, the EFG, H-I-J-K-A-L-O-P, P-U-R-S-T-U-V-W-X-Y-Z. Now I know my ABCs.
	Next time won't you sing with me.
	ABC. G-H-I-J-K-L-M-N O-P-Q-R-S-T-U V-W-X-Y-Z I want to shoot myself when I hear this.
	That's terrible.
	This is not good for the universe.
	We're out of balance with this.
	Where did that come from?
	Disney?
	Oh, they're trying to...
	I don't want to...
	Well, I'm going to say it.
	They're trying to fuck with us.
	They're trying to upset the forces of the universe, man.
	They're trying to screw us over.
	There's something up with this.
	You can't do that.
	Or maybe...
	Why don't you just change the order?
	Maybe, John, Mandela Effect.
	Maybe it was always this way and we just don't realize it.
	No, it wasn't.
	Isn't that crazy?
	Where did you get that?
	Well, someone sent it to me, and it was on the YouTubes, and I clipped it.
	You sure they didn't produce this themselves just to screw with the show?
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	That'd be going too far.
	It's reprogramming of some sorts.
	I mean, yes, when you say Disney is effing with us, and, you know, I'm way too polite to say the F word.
	Um...
	I think you're right.
	I'm not sure what it is, but...
	I mean, this is almost like the...
	Three more days till Halloween till the shamrock.
	It's like they're going to trigger these kids and zombies are going to go out and kill everybody.
	I don't know.
	I do not like the change.
	And okay, Boomer, I don't like this song the way they've done it.
	I find it jarring.
	And what's the point?
	What's the point?
	It's always the point.
	I know the point.
	Because they felt LMNOP was not pronounced correctly, or it went too fast, and therefore the letters L, M, N, O, and P were getting gypped.
	It wasn't fair to them somehow.
	Well, that's a stretch.
	I don't know.
	LMNOP were getting gypped.
	I don't know.
	They watched too much Sesame Street.
	It's a bad deal.
	This whole thing is bad.
	Well.
	With that, though.
	Let's go off the rails, but okay.
	I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who just put the C in vocal cry, John C. Dvorak!
	What?
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning, all ships and sea boots on the ground.
	Subs in the water!
	And all the dames and knights out there.
	In the morning to the trolls in our troll room extraordinaire, which you can join yourself at noagendastream.com.
	Every single day, Darren O is doing that in the pre-stream, which is another example.
	Every single day, there's live programming at noagendastream.com, and I just realized...
	This thing is, you know, people do listen to it.
	We need to have a listing of what shows are on because a lot of people hear something like, oh shit, what show was that?
	I want to find out what show that was.
	So we have to come up with some kind of after-the-fact program guide or something.
	Oh god, another grid in my life.
	But it's a great place to hang out.
	You can listen to the live stream of any of our shows that are live.
	But, of course, we have replays and just a nice cornucopia of content.
	And you can find that at noagendastream.com.
	Hello, trolls!
	Stream it straight to your car.
	That's right.
	Stream it through Bluetooth through your speakers.
	Even to your hearing aids, if you wish.
	And, in the morning, to the artiste who brought us the artwork for episode 1189.
	And this was, I believe, was it Data?
	Was it Data who brought this to us?
	No, that doesn't sound right.
	No, there's something, there's a wrong credit here on the page, which I'm very sad about now.
	Um...
	No, I'm sad about that because I want everyone to be credited properly.
	No, the artist was...
	It was Darren.
	It was Darren O. I knew it.
	Darren O'Neill.
	It was a refresh in my browser.
	I fixed it.
	Now, we had a lot to choose from.
	And there were some very good pieces and what we chose was John Bolton, or as the kids say, Bolton, and a black bar with the letters anonymous over his eyes, so it was very obvious that it was him, of course, with that mustache.
	There was another one which I believe Comicster Blogger did which was Just the Mustache which was esoteric and kind of cool and I liked the way it played but I think we both decided unanimously That it would be a good idea to support our handler,
	Steve Pchenik, with his mission to prove that John Bolton is the author known as Anonymous of the book and of the op-ed in the New York Times.
	And so we decided we'd be good players in the game.
	Isn't that what happened?
	Yep, and that's what we do.
	And I wish that some of these agencies would send us more money.
	Yeah, because we're doing the Lord's work here.
	We're doing good work!
	We're doing great work here, people.
	Get on it!
	Thank you very much, Darino, and all our artists who...
	Participate in our Value for Value network by helping us out in this manner by creating artwork that we can use, not just for the album art, which is a great win, of course, but also just having it displayed on noagendaartgenerator.com.
	People love going through that and checking all the different crazy pieces out.
	Some gets on mugs and shirts and hoodies at NoAgendaShop.com.
	And you can do whatever you want with it.
	It's another great resource.
	And we have ten times the amount of images that we have shows, which kind of gives you an idea of how many people compete for this.
	And you can contribute.
	And if you feel like it, it's tough, though, because people do it during the live stream.
	We choose it right after the show is over.
	NoAgendaArtGenerator.com.
	And we have a number of...
	I want to read...
	In the checks and stuff that came in, there was a note that came in, I should have read it during your little exposition on glottal stops.
	Because this is a letter that came in condemning you.
	Oh, yay.
	For not talking about what you just talked about, but the timing was a little, I think maybe, let me read this.
	Okay.
	Hi there, John.
	This is written in an envelope, stuffed in an envelope.
	By the way, I got it.
	Also, somebody sent a couple of Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself bumper stickers, which Jay put on her Volkswagen.
	Oh, I want one.
	Yeah, I bet you do.
	They'll send you one.
	Check out.
	Are you going to put it on a bumper?
	Yeah, on Tina's.
	That'll look good at the new office.
	I love it.
	Merriam-Webster dictionary for the definition of glottal stop.
	Wikipedia also has an entry for it.
	The missing T found sound and important is not being dropped.
	It's being replaced by another consonant for which there is no letter in English, the glottal stop, which we just discussed.
	Surprising or not that the putative linguistic expert opining on the clip was unfamiliar with the term and adopted your dropping the T description.
	He added nothing to the conversation.
	Nobody likes this guy.
	No, and he's not come back into the email.
	I think he's probably given up on the show.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	Among other entries that popped up during my recent search was a term that Adam may like, glottalization.
	Yeah.
	I emailed him about the glottal stop phenomenon at least a year ago.
	Oh yeah, I'm a dick.
	But he's a busy feller and I must have missed it entirely.
	And then he says the creeping globalism has got to stop.
	But isn't it glottalization?
	You can't say glottalization.
	It's got to be glottalization.
	If you wanted to be modern...
	I don't think so.
	This is not me.
	Now, I'm going to start reading.
	We get into the donations.
	I'm sorry I've delayed it.
	But there's a name mentioned in the first line of this that the guy wants to be anonymous.
	I don't understand this either.
	Is that him or is that somebody else?
	What am I supposed to do here?
	What I think happened, but I'm not sure, so we cannot do it.
	I believe anonymous, who comes in from China, Guangdong, Guangzhou.
	Well, it says Guangzhou Guangdong.
	Oh, he's in Guangdong.
	Yeah, he's in the state of Guangdong.
	But I like how you yell at me when I do that.
	Guangzhou!
	Makes me feel loved and wanted.
	It's possible...
	I'm sorry.
	It's okay.
	Forgive me.
	I'm crying.
	It's possible that he wanted to make someone a knight.
	Oh, I see.
	Can you make...
	Don't mention the name, because I don't know.
	And Eric didn't mark it, and it's not on the list, so I don't believe that this is...
	I don't think we should risk it, particularly if someone's in China.
	It's not a good idea to risk, but we're happy to correct.
	Yeah, we don't get them in trouble, because they follow everything, and the Chinese probably do listen to the show.
	Well, they're taking their foreign policy advice from us.
	Hello?
	Okay, we'll put it in abeyance, but we will add the total to today's totals.
	Anonymous from Guangzhou in Guangdong gave us $1,111.11, and that was a celebration of the veterans.
	And we really appreciate the support.
	And please do send us an email so that we can understand if we have anything or anyone else we need to attribute this to.
	Yeah, send us an email at johnatdvorak.org.
	Yeah, or adamatcurry.com.com.
	Yeah.
	Curious, he's followed.
	His donation, which is very appreciated, is followed by another anonymous donation at $420.42.
	ITM, in honor of my 42nd trip around the flaming fireball in the sky today, 1113, I'm donating $420.42 towards Darren O'Neill's knighthood.
	Wow.
	Wow!
	How nice is that?
	This donation should take care of it.
	Well, how come Darren's not on the list?
	What is our back office doing?
	I don't know.
	They're not putting people on the list.
	No.
	But it's possible this is another one that's screwy.
	Darren can report back with his nameage and such.
	Keep on keeping on, Darren.
	Hey, Darren.
	My only request is for some health karma to all that need it.
	Thank you for your courage and such.
	Darren O'Neal.
	I think Darren is still hanging out.
	Well, if he's in their chat room, then he can give us an image and we can put him on the list if he wants it.
	Well, Darren O just went, wow!
	I'm really high.
	No, he went, wow!
	So he's in there in the troll room.
	Darren, if you want to be knighted today, we can do it.
	Because this anonymous, who you must know, Because this anonymous person knows that you have previously donated and that this amount should bring you to knighthood.
	I just need to know what your knight name will be and we can add you to the...
	Or we can do it Sunday if you want.
	Either way.
	He fell over.
	I don't think he can reply.
	He'll respond.
	It takes a second.
	I have to stop right here.
	A second Zephyr just went by.
	Oh, the economy is booming!
	No, the first Zephyr went by on time, and now it's 10.30 my time.
	And another, I think this is the coastal that is like days late or something.
	Let me see what the stock market is doing.
	It was nine cars.
	It looked like the Zephyr, they were very identical looking.
	Something's amiss.
	Well, let me see.
	What do we have?
	I should get my Amtrak scheduler.
	The Dow is up 92%.
	I'm telling you, this is an economic indicator.
	The more cars, the better.
	And now you cannot deny that that's...
	Oh, wait a minute.
	I just refreshed.
	No, the Dow is now down 35.
	Okay.
	So I think you're...
	You've got to figure out how this works.
	It's in there somewhere.
	All right.
	So when Daryl comes back, we'll...
	Well, he hasn't come back.
	He's probably hung up.
	He went to bed.
	He's in Australia.
	He's bowled over.
	I'm going to do the karma here.
	Health karma with a goat twist for Darren.
	You've got karma.
	He's going to have to name himself Dame something because it's a Dame drive.
	Mark Mansick is next on the list.
	He drops right to an associate executive producer at $240.
	He's an Arvada.
	Arvada, Colorado.
	Jingles.
	He wants Fulmer, China is Asshole, and Random Sharpton, which is a pretty common list of jingles.
	My son Tom hit me in the mouth in May 2015.
	He told me about a podcast called No Agenda, which I immediately thought to myself, yeah, right.
	Anyone that says they have no agenda almost certainly has an agenda.
	But we're facing a long drive from From Denver to Oklahoma City, so I gave it a chance.
	I was pleasantly surprised that your show was balanced and particularly enjoyed the jingles, the content from the producers, and your in-depth exploration of topics in the M5M that they ignore.
	I was particularly struck by your willingness to criticize Hillary Clinton, but not in the way that a conservative pundit like Limbaugh or Hannity, and of course, I appreciate the media deconstruction, which is the hallmark of your show.
	It is the content that is unique, valuable, and vital.
	Vital.
	Vital.
	The donation of 240 gets me close to halfway towards knighthood, which I hope to obtain before you execute your escape strategy.
	And it represents $120 to celebrate the 12 years serving us humble slaves and producers, and $120 to keep you around for another 12 years.
	Please give a birthday shout-out to my son, Tom, who hit me in the mouth.
	His birthday is on show day for episode 1190.
	If possible, I'd like to hear Drone Again as part of the end of the show mix.
	It is the best song parody produced by an NA producer, in my humble opinion.
	I think that was Sir Jeff Smith, and I have done something crazy!
	I have actually queued it up for the end of show.
	I keep forgetting to do that.
	Today I did it.
	Here's a little taste of it, though.
	The drone again.
	So we'll have the full track.
	Besides, God just was...
	Oh yeah, full track at the end of the show.
	And here are your requested jingles.
	and I'll throw in a karma even though he didn't request it.
	Oh, my God!
	Listen to that horn!
	Chinese asshole!
	President Trump said that because of the killing of Al-Baghdagi, that the world is a better place.
	And I would give credit to he and those that were responsible for it.
	But we have a lot of work that must still be done in the area of terrorism.
	In the same area of the world where our Baghdadi was and in our own nation.
	Baghdadi.
	Yeah.
	Brian Schultz, $202.02.
	I'm getting married on Saturday.
	He writes in.
	So there you go.
	And he's bleeding money.
	I figured I would wring out the bandages for you guys.
	Can I get some, which is disgusting, can I get some wedding goat karma for my fiancé and as well some karma for my parents who recently divorced after 32 years of marriage?
	Oh, it's a double celebration.
	It's a double, yeah.
	Well, one gets married, the other gets divorced.
	It's a wash.
	It's a wash.
	The donut shop we were getting dessert from just caught on fire and the innkeeper that was hosting our rehearsal dinner had to leave because of a family emergency.
	Can you please expedite that karma via Invisible Drone or Concord?
	Please don't use the Zephyr.
	Thanks.
	Okay.
	Let me load it up.
	It's coming over through the No Agenda Invisible Hat Drone.
	It's on its way.
	It's taking off and there's you.
	You've got karma.
	You asked me.
	And last but not least is Nate there in Iowa City.
	Iowa, 200 bucks.
	And he just says, I just want to call on my douchebag brothers, Josh and Kyle.
	Both hit me in the mouth.
	So, there you go.
	All right.
	Oh, that's our group of well-wishers, producers, and associate executive producers for show 1190.
	Yes.
	I want to thank you and every one of them for helping us get this show off the ground.
	We want to thank you with not just our thanks, but also with a title.
	You heard them, executive producers or associate executive producers.
	Both of these titles are valuable, especially where they are recognized as such.
	And now that we know that the only place to get hired or to hire someone is pretty much creeping people on LinkedIn, that's where you want to put this.
	Executive producer, or in someone's case, associate executive producer of the No Agenda Show, episode 1190.
	You could even say the award-winning No Agenda Show.
	And let us know how that goes.
	Even if you're not looking for a gig, sometimes it can make interesting things happen.
	And we will be thanking more people, $50 and above, in our second segment.
	And remember, you can help us.
	Just...
	Go to Dvorak.org slash NA and then fill out a number that equals the value you receive from this program.
	Tell me the vocal cry wasn't something worthwhile.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. That's right!
	We are going to go all crying to the vocal fry-in!
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Order. Order.
	Shut up, slave.
	Squirrel.
	Shut up, slave.
	Well, we have some homeless news.
	Oh, we do?
	I have homeless news?
	What kind of homeless news do you have?
	Well, I've got two clips here.
	One of them is better than the other, but let's play the first one.
	This is Homeless Report in L.A. Just steps away from the Hollywood Walk of Fame, a horrifying random attack.
	A homeless man dumped a bucket of stuff on your head.
	A bucket of his diarrhea.
	I didn't want it to be in my mouth, but it was running down my eyes.
	For over a year, the NBC4i team has been tracking crimes where the suspects are homeless.
	Tonight, we have learned those incidents are skyrocketing.
	Investigative reporter Joel Grover reports on the growing threat linked to the untreated mental illness and drug addiction on L.A.'s streets of shame.
	Keep your eye on the woman walking out of this apartment building.
	A homeless man approaches and suddenly smacks her in the head.
	There are now thousands of crimes a year like this one in which the suspects are homeless and in many cases suffering from mental illness or substance abuse.
	Do you have the whole clip of the woman explaining it?
	I do.
	She broke down crying, man.
	The next clip is another report.
	It's slightly different.
	And it's got the same woman bitching about being horrible.
	Some guy took a, well, play clip to it and we'll hear it all.
	Heidi Van Tassel was walking to her car near Hollywood's Walk of Fame when, according to police and court records, a transient with schizophrenia and psychotic disorders dumped feces all over her.
	A bucket of his diarrhea.
	It was liquid, hot liquid.
	I was soaked and I couldn't see it was coming off of my eyelashes, into my eyes.
	Paramedics rushed her to the hospital and she now needs to be tested for infectious diseases every three months.
	It's something I won't ever forget.
	I mean, it was disgusting.
	For over a year, the I-Team has been reporting on crimes where the suspects are homeless, like this guy arrested for setting fire to chairs at a downtown steakhouse, and this homeless man pushing someone in front of a truck.
	There were more than six More than 50,000 of these reported crimes in LA in 2017.
	By the end of 2018, the number of crimes was up more than 50%.
	And now we've learned the numbers are on track to climb even higher this year.
	We found case after case where the suspects suffer from mental illness or methamphetamine abuse.
	Meth use has been linked to violence and so is untreated mental illness.
	How could you live in this kind of environment and be okay?
	You mean mentally okay?
	Mentally okay.
	Reverend Andy Bales runs the Union Rescue Mission.
	Does life on the streets lead to violent behavior?
	Absolutely.
	Like the attack on that woman on a downtown L.A. street.
	Keep watching.
	Just seconds later, the man punched another victim, attorney Brandon Cohen.
	Were you kind of in shock?
	What was shocking was that I lived here for four years and it didn't happen sooner.
	We found the homeless who were arrested for these crimes are often right back on the streets without getting any treatment or help.
	I am always on the lookout.
	We discovered that Brandon Cohen's attacker, Charles Fuller, had four previous felony convictions.
	But after he attacked Cohen, the cops simply gave him a citation for battery and let him go.
	Four months later, a block away, a similar attack against this mother and daughter.
	Though the police didn't make an arrest, so the suspect wasn't identified.
	Well, this brings me to the ISO I have, the competitive ISO. It may be long.
	I mean, it's three seconds.
	That's long.
	That's maybe too long.
	But it's so good.
	Hot liquid.
	A bucket of his diarrhea.
	Yeah, it's not three seconds.
	It's five seconds.
	Here we go.
	A bucket of his diarrhea.
	It was liquid.
	Hot liquid.
	I was soaked.
	Nah, it's too long.
	It was hot liquid.
	I was soaked.
	It's not too long.
	You gave me a five-second ISO for a two-second slot.
	Look, I like, first of all, you're trouncing on my turf.
	This is my turf, but okay, it's fine.
	I was making the clip when I looked at your list.
	I'm like, another one.
	You're just walking all over my beat.
	This is walking all over.
	Epic fail day.
	The truth must come out.
	Luckily, Los Angeles has a solution.
	The mayor of Los Angeles...
	What's his name, the mayor?
	I had his name here somewhere.
	Erdogan.
	No, Garcetti.
	Mayor Eric Garcetti has come up with a solution, something that we've looked at extensively, not as a homeless solution.
	I actually looked at it as a home solution at one point during this show in the past 12 years.
	Containers.
	They're going to stack containers, shipping containers, and turn these into units for the homeless.
	There's only one small issue.
	Each unit...
	Now, you can buy a shipping container for about $5,000.
	We've looked into this.
	Three is a shitty one, but $5,000, a little more, you get a beautiful one.
	And then you spend whatever you need to spend to make the unit.
	But the basic walls, even a door, is $5,000.
	I didn't realize they were that expensive.
	Yeah, well, it's a lot of iron.
	Well, I guess, yeah, you'd have to iron, mostly aluminum.
	When they're completed, each of these units, of these shipping container units in Los Angeles, will cost $600,000 each.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	I suspect a scam.
	Yeah.
	And this is coming from KFI. And those guys are in LA, so they, you know, I'm sure this is correct.
	But this is $1.2 billion bond that they have to spend somehow, so we might as well put it into $600,000 shipping container units.
	Almost as dumb as Austin...
	You know, this is, oh my God, you are such a mess here.
	So we got this camping ground designated, and yesterday, although it was raining, it was really crap weather, I'm like, it's at Montopolis and 183.
	Let me go look, let me go find it.
	Now, this is kind of a nutty intersection.
	You go, Montopolis continues underneath 183.
	The highway.
	And I could not find this campground.
	It must be, you know, somewhere behind some other building.
	I can't find it.
	What I did find, under 183 on Montopolis were about 5 tents.
	So I don't understand.
	Have they cleaned anything up?
	Was that just a PR moment?
	Did something really take place?
	Is there even an actual campground that these people are on?
	I'm going to have to go out again tomorrow to see if I can find it.
	Because I could not find it.
	And then all of a sudden, there's new plans that are cropping up.
	And Austin has come up with a spectacular solution.
	Oh, we should have thought of this earlier.
	New records obtained by KXAN investigators show where Austin could look to house the city's homeless.
	This comes as Austin police begin enforcing new camping restrictions this week.
	KXAN investigator Kevin Clark found the city is targeting several hotels for possible housing.
	It's an old bed and breakfast built in 1916.
	It's got six rooms available.
	It's just blocks from the Capitol and it's right across the street from ACC's Rio Grande campus.
	Yet it's one of the for sale hotel properties the city could look to buy and convert into homeless housing.
	We don't want anyone in our community camping or lying in public places or being forced to do that because there's no other place for them to go.
	And as Austin looks to find housing for the city's homeless...
	We have people in the community that are stepping forward right now with properties that we might be able to consider buying.
	They don't require a lot of rework to make available.
	Specifically, I'm talking about some hotels.
	KXAN obtained this email from interim real estate officer Alex Gale showing a list of hotels and motels for sale in Austin.
	The email was sent to then-homeless strategy officer Lori Pampilo-Harris, who's now a consultant on homeless issues.
	The properties are spread far and wide around Austin.
	The Red Roof Inn off I-35 has 142 rooms.
	Then there's the quality suites near 35 and Ben White in South Austin.
	It has a capacity of 51 rooms.
	We know there are at least seven hotel properties in Austin that are for sale right now.
	A city spokesperson could only confirm that Austin is in negotiations for multiple hotel properties but wouldn't go into further details.
	Yeah, they're looking at spending $8 million on one of these hotels.
	Wait a minute.
	They're reinventing, in Austin, they're reinventing the slum hotel?
	Yes, and it's genius, apparently.
	This is an idea from the 20s.
	And so there's one hotel that they want to buy for $8 million.
	I think it has 40 rooms.
	$8 million.
	40 rooms.
	But catch this.
	They're not going to...
	You don't have to...
	Basically, there's no requirements.
	So it doesn't matter what state you're in, what state of mind, what state of anything, you get on the list, you're in, you're in your own room.
	No mandatory program, but they will keep offering it to you.
	So as I heard at the City Council meeting, I didn't clip it, we'll bang on the door every day offering help.
	So, the way I get...
	Now, what is $8 million divided by 40?
	And by the way, who's going to provide security?
	Is there going to be security?
	Is there going to be, you know, maintenance?
	Do they just call someone and the maintenance guy comes and fixes their light bulb?
	I mean, is this...
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Well, there's more craziness.
	So, yesterday there was a big...
	When it comes to schooling in Austin, oh man, people get really upset.
	And there's a new curriculum, a sexual education curriculum for, I think, 7th and 8th graders.
	How old are they?
	12?
	What's an 8th grader?
	13?
	Well, let's see, you graduate from high school 17 and 18, so for 14, 14 could be 8, it could be 14.
	14.
	13, 14.
	So it got approved, so this report is before it went for a vote before the school board, and it's controversial.
	Before the doors ever open, fireworks tonight at the Austin ISD school board meeting.
	AISD police arrested a transgender woman as she disrupted a rally outside district headquarters.
	Ah!
	Just as a rally opposed to the proposed Austin ISD sex ed changes began, protests interrupted it.
	Diana Martin, 31, black transgender woman fatally shot.
	Austin ISD police stepping in, arresting a transgender woman, Naomi Wilson, accusing her of trespassing.
	Hey!
	Dueling rallies for and against the proposed curriculum played out before a packed school board meeting.
	Is this where we're at society where we're just telling 11, 12, 13 year olds...
	Well, they're just gonna have sex.
	Can we not aim higher for our kids?
	If approved, the new curriculum will be for students in 3rd through 8th grade.
	It includes lessons for elementary students on gender identity, sexual orientation, and STDs.
	Meantime, 7th graders will learn about how to use a condom.
	It's time that we revisit it.
	It's time we bring in some, you know, better language about different people.
	126 people signed up to speak during public comment.
	Last ditch efforts to sway the board's decision before the final vote.
	District staff created this curriculum after the state blocked it from buying the curriculum from Planned Parenthood.
	School board still listening to public comment.
	It actually just got started on this topic, so it will likely be hours before a final vote.
	So they bought this curriculum from Planned Parenthood.
	That's an interesting business line I didn't know they were in.
	Making sex education curriculum.
	For third graders.
	And I have an example of this in practice.
	This is a version...
	And by the way, I'm not, of course, against sexual education.
	I think there's some decisions about parents and some age appropriateness.
	But when you listen to this...
	Shit man, it's just confusing.
	Hi, I'm Nadine, a sex educator.
	And I'm Eva, a sex researcher.
	I use the pronouns she and her because I'm a woman and when I was your age I used to be a girl.
	Gender is how you feel on the inside about whether you're a boy or a girl, a man or a woman.
	If you're non-binary, feel like neither or both.
	People can also be fluid, feel more like female, more like male.
	Based on a different day or time.
	It's really individual.
	Absolutely.
	Everyone born with a vulva is a girl.
	True or false?
	Or identifies as a girl.
	Not everybody is sure, and that makes sense.
	But our genitals actually don't determine our gender, so some people born with vulvas can be boys.
	Let's learn a little bit more about gender.
	We actually have an extra special visitor to sex ed school.
	I have been through the spectrum, if we were to say a spectrum, of like...
	This person is sitting on a chair in the classroom with the kids huddled around, and he's explaining his sexualized gender.
	Boys and girls, I have been everywhere in between.
	I was born a girl.
	And then when I was two years old, I told my mom for the first time that I was a boy.
	And I think that I framed it.
	I don't remember it.
	I've only been told stories.
	But I framed it because my brother's middle name was the same as my dad's.
	And so I insisted that my middle name was also the same as his.
	But back in the day, there was no talk shows and there was no Internet.
	There was no resources.
	So she just ignored it.
	And then nothing happened for many, many years.
	And then it still took me a long time into my 20s before I decided to transition.
	But in there, I was a, you know, a tomboy, if that's what we say.
	Or like, I was sporty.
	I had short hair.
	And then I grew it out in high school because I felt like I should.
	And I felt like that's what people wanted me to be.
	And then in my 20s, I decided to become a drag king, which we don't hear about as much.
	Like drag queens are in the news all the time.
	But a drag king is a little bit different.
	So for me, it was I, in my daily life, I was a girl.
	But then when I went on stage and I wanted to perform, I would perform as male and I would use he, him pronouns.
	And that was kind of a way for the first time where people were seeing me as a boy.
	And that's when it kind of clicked in my head of, I actually want to do this when I'm off stage as well.
	I just don't know if this is appropriate for young children.
	It's just confusing.
	I mean, all these things you can talk about when you're curious and you want to know about it.
	But when is this appropriate?
	And when is it appropriate for the school to be doing this?
	Okay, boomer.
	Yeah, big okay, boomer.
	It's tough enough just figuring out what to do with the thing and where to put it or whatever.
	I'm just speaking from a guy.
	Of course, they don't even show kids how to balance a checkbook, but they go into this sort of thing.
	Okay, boomer, what's a checkbook?
	Google's going to have your bank account.
	Surely you know this.
	Yeah, apparently that's what's going on.
	I found a line which I don't think I would have heard ever.
	Well, the whole gender thing is fairly recent.
	I mean, gender is always assumed.
	The statement, our genitals do not determine our gender, is a fairly new construct.
	And I think the history of this would be kind of interesting.
	I'm sure they could drag it.
	You can find some reference.
	Oh, in the 1700s, you know, so-and-so said this or that.
	But this is really not true.
	This is a recent...
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	They resist it and then they get pounded to death.
	Yes, and it's very unpopular to say, no, I don't want my child learning this or I'd like to teach my child.
	You can't opt out, by the way, but you have to do it in time.
	And of course, that stigmatizes the kid.
	Then what are you, man?
	What's wrong with you?
	You can't handle the truth.
	Just the whole thing seems a little too controversial for school.
	Well, we should be learning lots of important things.
	Homeschooling is the way to go.
	Well, since we're doing this nutty social justice warrior stuff, I have one.
	Okay, Boomer, one more from me.
	One more.
	This one I actually...
	It speaks to me directly, and this is bullshit, and I will play the bullshit jingle for that very reason.
	This is Good Morning Britain with a woman who is pleading that we really should ban clapping.
	It needs to be replaced by jazz hands.
	But what is her reasoning behind that?
	What is upsetting, genuinely, about clapping?
	So it's actually not just for people with anxiety, it's also people who use hearing aids.
	Clapping can be disruptive to that.
	Bullshit!
	Uh, go home.
	No, clapping is not terrifying or disruptive or startling when you wear hearing aids.
	I have hearing aids.
	It's not true.
	What kind of reasoning is this?
	All of a sudden we have to stop clapping because of people with hearing aids?
	No!
	Naturally about clapping.
	So it's actually not just for people with anxiety.
	It's also people who use hearing aids.
	Clapping can be disruptive to that.
	People who have sensory processing issues, it can be very distressing and overwhelming to have those loud, sudden noises.
	But it is part of our culture, isn't it, to clap?
	If you go to the theatre or you go to a lecture or you go to a performance or you go to a gig, you would expect That people would clap.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And that could be preventing people from going to those events, which is a real shame.
	So if some theatres or some universities say, actually, we can be more inclusive and do jazz hands instead, that would be lovely.
	Other people could get involved.
	And then what would be the penalty if you clapped?
	I don't think there's going to be a penalty, frankly.
	I don't think anyone's going to say, like, you need to leave.
	But if you were persisting with clapping, even though you've been requested to do something, that's...
	It's not very polite, is it?
	I mean, it's nothing new, but just the whole bullcrap about hearing aids really got my goat.
	Yeah, well, the whole, this is stupid.
	Yes, it is.
	It's disheartening.
	Jazz hands.
	Yes, jazz hands.
	Indeed.
	I mean, this is, it's almost like a test.
	It's like there's some societal tests going on and people are being graded.
	Maybe, you know, it's like the Truman Show or something and they're watching.
	And somebody's saying, oh, they're going along with that one.
	Okay, they get shipped off to be eaten.
	I mean, there's got to be something going on because of the stupidity.
	The levels of stupidity is just like a test.
	I don't know what it is.
	But okay, Boomer.
	It's good for me.
	Well, let's see.
	What else we got here?
	I got a couple things.
	Don Cherry was fired.
	Yes, this was...
	Now, is Don Cherry on the level of, like, Howard Cosell in Scandinavia?
	Is he...
	Well, Howard Cosell was fired for, we're saying, Little Monkey.
	Now, why would he get fired for that?
	But in context, it was like it was not intentional that he was calling anybody a monkey.
	He was just talking about this one player who was running around crazy on the field, and he threw the term in there.
	It was the end of that.
	But Don Cherry's, yeah, I would say it's a good analogy, even though nobody knows who listens to this show, knows who Howard Cosell is.
	Here he comes, ladies and gentlemen, the chairman of the board, Frank Sinatra!
	Although you can see him in old Woody Allen movies.
	Now, so Cherry just bitches about immigrants, and this is a work of art I'm going to play.
	And they play the whole thing, and pretty much what Cherry had to say is in this clip.
	I tried to find the whole thing, I found other chunks of it, but at no time does he ever say the word white or black or anything in between.
	He...
	For all practical purposes, just is bitching about immigrants, specifically, not buying the little poppies.
	Now, we talked about these little poppies on the DH Unplugged show.
	Yes.
	Because even Horowitz is unfamiliar with this long time.
	Well, you know, I lived in the UK, so I'm very familiar with it.
	Well, it was popular in the United States, too.
	Oh, this I didn't know.
	In the 50s and 60s, you could get these poppies, and they sold them at all the grocery stores.
	I talked to Horowitz, but he never heard of such a thing.
	They still do it in some states in the South.
	I've seen it every once in a while, and I'm always amused by it.
	But the United States has given up on this.
	Meh.
	They don't care.
	But in Canada, they still do it.
	Historically, this falls on Veterans Day, which used to be Armistice Day.
	And these copies are about Armistice Day.
	The end of World War I, which is still celebrated in the United States of Britain.
	And, of course, them being a nice colonial bit, Australia and Scandinavia need to participate in this.
	And a lot of Scandinavians died in World War I. Yes.
	A lot.
	And so we had...
	So they sell the poppies.
	They still do the poppy bit.
	And you wear the poppy on the 11-11.
	You wear a little poppy.
	And you might wear it a couple days later.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Having lived in the UK for five years, these things are everywhere.
	They're at every checkout counter.
	You are a social pariah if you don't buy a poppy and wear it.
	It's really for the entire weekend.
	It's a couple days leading up to 11-11, and you can wear it a few days after, but you're supposed to be wearing it really for almost a week, and there's no excuse because they're practically...
	Running up to you on the street and pinning them on you.
	And I was there and we participated.
	In the 60s, 50s and 60s, that used to be here too.
	Why it died out, I don't know.
	In fact, somebody probably out there knows, and I expect to get a letter explaining it, but it died out in this country, except in, like I said, a couple southern states, they still do it.
	But we don't do that at all, and in fact, to the point where Horowitz didn't even know what I was talking about.
	That's how killed it was.
	He should be ashamed.
	I don't know why.
	He should be ashamed.
	Well, yeah, he should.
	But...
	So here's what happens.
	So Cherry's bitching about the immigrants not wearing the poppies, and they turn this into an unbelievable story.
	And let's play Don Cherry event one.
	Caring to target immigrants in a rant about people not wearing poppies ahead of Remembrance Day.
	You people love you.
	They come here, whatever it is.
	You love our way of life.
	You love our milk and honey.
	At least you can pay a couple of bucks for poppies or something like that.
	The 85-year-old made the remarks on Saturday night during his weekly Coach's Corner segment.
	Wow.
	Notice they said the 85-year-old.
	She should have just said, okay, boomer.
	That would have been easier.
	Like that.
	The 85-year-old made the remarks on Saturday night during his weekly Coach's Corner segment as part of Hockey Night in Canada.
	Cherry told longtime co-commentator Ron McClain he rarely sees people wearing poppies anymore to honor veterans, appearing to take aim squarely at those he believes are new immigrants.
	Several Canadians promptly took to social media to condemn Cherry's comments as racist and call for his firing.
	These guys pay for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada.
	These guys pay the biggest price.
	McLean was also called out for not saying anything in response.
	Instead, flashing Cherry a quick thumbs up.
	I owe you an apology too.
	That's the big thing that I want to emphasize.
	I sat there, did not catch it, did not respond.
	The host of Rogers Hometown Hockey expressed remorse on Sunday night for how he handled himself during the broadcast.
	It certainly doesn't stand for what Sportsnet or Rogers represents.
	Last night was a really great lesson to Don and me.
	We were wrong, and I sincerely apologize, and I wanted to thank you for calling me and Don on that last night.
	Sportsnet, which produces Hockey Night in Canada, has apologized, saying in a statement, Don's discriminatory comments are offensive, and they do not represent our values and what we stand for as a network.
	Now, I'm stopping it because it continues where it gets really good.
	First of all, his partner said we were wrong, and he threw Don under the bus.
	Sherry came on some other shows later and said, I didn't apologize for anything, and I didn't think we were wrong.
	He says, my use of the word you people seems to be worthy to trigger.
	Racist.
	And then he says that may have been a mistake.
	But he was still condemning the immigrants for not wearing puppies.
	He's just going to rant, an anti-immigrant rant.
	Which is, you know, I suppose is fireable.
	Well, no, I'm sorry.
	He didn't go on an anti-immigrant rant.
	He said, it's not anti-immigrant.
	He said, you people, these immigrants, are not participating in a cultural event, and you need to integrate a little bit.
	And I think he then said, by the way, a lot of the guys that we remember, and gals, guys more, died so that you can be here in our cold-ass country.
	I think you're correct, and I think that probably would have ended it there.
	But the network, because they have to rationalize getting rid of this guy, had to twist this.
	It's a very interesting use of they twisted the thing.
	It turned out not to be an anti-immigrant rant, even though what you heard is all he said.
	He hates blacks!
	I told you he's racist!
	Is this clip too?
	And before you start it, I just want to imagine people should listen carefully to how the media just distorted the whole thing and it got people to go along with this to the point where it wasn't just this immigrant complaint, which is what you describe it, a complaint about not taking part.
	It's a racial...
	It turns into that he hates blacks.
	And he hates black...
	Wait, let's go further.
	He hates black veterans.
	This...
	I missed all this.
	You're right.
	This is groovy.
	I can't wait.
	Here we go.
	We have spoken to Don about the severity of this issue, and we sincerely apologize for these divisive remarks.
	Sportsnet is a division of Rogers Media, the parent company of City News.
	He needs to sit down and stop talking.
	Sports writer Shereen Ahmed says Cherry's comments took a personal turn when he said, you people.
	She adds his narrative that those who served our country were all white is not only historically inaccurate, but an insult to thousands of veterans and their families.
	That Don Cherry gets to sit there in a pine about how we remember vets.
	Is horrible to me.
	I mean, this is a man that's never served.
	Had he taken a moment to recognize, you know, the black Canadian fighters, the indigenous men that gave their lives, who he describes and defines as a vet, doesn't include everybody.
	After Cherry's comments, even the Canadian Armed Forces tweeted a reminder about the important contributions and sacrifices soldiers of color have made to Canada's military.
	It says they fought to fight for Canada.
	They fought for the chance to give their lives for Canada.
	They fought for your right to choose.
	They are us.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	I still don't know exactly how that happened.
	I heard that woman come in, the younger woman.
	Who's a Muslim wearing a hijab.
	Hijab.
	Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
	That's pretty sad.
	You know, for some backup Americans, you guys are doing pretty good up there.
	You got this stuff down.
	So she comes on and makes a complaint and she brings in white, which was never discussed.
	And gets twisted because she feels offended.
	She was offended.
	And next thing you know, he hates black veterans.
	It's like you go from complaining about people not wearing a poppy to you hate black veterans.
	Just bang, bang, bang.
	It was a work of art, I thought.
	And that is a deplatforming on a massive scale.
	They just took him right out and then just turned it around into, you're racist because you don't even, you're too ignorant to know that there were black veterans?
	Unbelievable.
	Yeah.
	I was taken aback by that.
	No, that is fantastic.
	I mean, it's sad.
	And is there no pushback?
	Certainly our Scandinavian producers can...
	He's cancelled.
	He's just cancelled.
	No, he's done.
	He's cancelled.
	Yeah, that's cancelled and in the bin.
	I believe, though, that they were out to get him for a while.
	There must be more behind this.
	Well, yes, because he's 85.
	He's hogging the spot on the air.
	He won't retire and it's like he's irascible.
	The only reason people watch the show is because he makes these kinds of comments and he goes off the deep end a lot.
	And he's fun.
	He's a fun guy.
	I've watched him.
	He's hilarious.
	It's called Coaches Corners, the main show.
	He talks about the hockey game and how these guys are playing poorly because they're not doing things right.
	And then he describes everything they should be doing, what they're not doing right.
	He's very good.
	He's like Johnny Miller.
	If you're watching him do golf commentation, he is excellent, mainly because he's very harsh.
	People like honesty, even though sometimes you can be wrong.
	I mean, that's why our show is so popular, because we're honest.
	We don't have anyone telling us not to do stuff.
	Cherry felt that way, that he was pretty much...
	A freelancer, you know, do whatever he wanted, and they just got sick of it and looked for the first boat out of town, and they kicked him on it.
	Well, at least that won't happen with us anymore.
	Just a quickie, there was an article in The Guardian that caught my eye because the title of it was, Should We Stop Keeping Pets?
	And the subtitle, Research into Animals' Emotional Lives Has Cast Doubt on the Ethics of Pet Keeping.
	And we finally come full circle.
	I'll read a few bits.
	And this is serious.
	This is not joking.
	This is not The Onion.
	From the animals that become dog and cat food and the puppy farms churning out increasingly unhealthy purebred canine to the goldfish sold by the bag and the crickets by the box, pet ownership is problematic because it denies animals the right of self-determination.
	Ultimately, we bring them into our lives because we want them.
	Then we dictate what they eat, where they live, how they behave, how they look, even whether they get to keep their sex organs.
	This is the Babylon Bee.
	This is, no, this is The Guardian.
	Treating animals as commodities isn't new or shocking.
	Humans have been meat eaters and animal skin wearers for millennia.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Move forward.
	Quote, it's morally problematic because more people are thinking of pets as people.
	That's what I always say.
	They consider them part of their family.
	They think of them as their best friend.
	They wouldn't sell them for a million dollars, says Dr.
	Hal Herzog, professor of psychology at Western Carolina University.
	At the same time, research is revealing that the emotional lives of animals, even relatively, quote, simple animals such as goldfish, are far more complex and rich than we once thought.
	The logical consequence is that the more we attribute them with these characteristics, the less right we have to control every single aspect of their lives.
	This is where it's going to go.
	Actually, I could have predicted this.
	It's going to be cruel to have an animal because dogs are people too.
	It will be cruel if you give the dog to eat what you want the dog to eat, tell him where to lie down, and cut his nuts off.
	And this is going to be very problematic.
	People are going to get brain fry from this.
	Not to give the dog the right to vote.
	I'm going to show my sword by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Indeed, we have a few people to thank for show 1190.
	1190.
	Starting with Crystal Darrow in Santa Ana.
	Uh...
	And that's $180.
	That's the Santa Ana Orange County meetup collection.
	Mm-hmm.
	See your emails for the meetup report.
	Stephen Cabal is 50.50.
	He needs a dedouching.
	Oh, let's do it.
	You've been dedouched.
	And they get named a $50 donor, which we'll reiterate was Ryan and Crystal Darrow, 50.
	And then there's some under 50s, which we will not report.
	Um...
	J.H.F. Fishdad.
	Oh, and by the way, we talked about this last show.
	Never mind.
	J.H.F. Fishdad in Orlando, $111.31, and this is the Veterans Day donation.
	Let me just read this for a Florida N.A. Knight John Opper, Sir Something or Other, who punched me in the mouth years back.
	My wife and I even attended a local meetup at Rock and Brew Orlando.
	Sorry to ramble.
	Love you too.
	Thank you very much.
	Yes, these are the Veterans Day donations.
	Dennis Sturko, $111.31.
	John Hall, $111.31.
	Sir David Barron, Earl.
	He's Earl now.
	Earl of Saudi Arabia and all that stuff.
	$111.31.
	Baron Guy Boazi.
	Hey, we haven't heard from him in a while.
	I have not heard from him forever.
	From Israel, yeah.
	It's one of our Israeli knights.
	Baron, I should say.
	Baron, Baron.
	$111.31.
	And then Christopher Pythode in Buckeye, Arizona, $111.11 and the Wi-Fi night.
	That's the Schiphol Wi-Fi night.
	He's still there.
	That's what he says.
	You know, I did not check.
	That's stupid of me.
	I should have checked the...
	No, I did check.
	It's changed.
	You can't log in anymore with our secret...
	They've upended the whole thing.
	It's all over.
	It's done.
	We're toast.
	It was a good run.
	I want to hear a report from him.
	He's still there.
	Yeah.
	He'll let us know.
	Still have a subnet?
	We don't.
	You know, they changed.
	They kind of outsourced everything.
	Oh, and once you do that, yeah.
	But also, the Wi-Fi network, from what I understand, changed so drastically because now it's used for tracking you around the entire airport.
	It was just a giant shopping mall.
	Yeah.
	Yes, with particular focus on your retail habits.
	And they have signs.
	I photographed that last time, but not this time, the time before.
	They have signs, when you enter the airport, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth will be used to track you.
	They say it.
	They're just not bashful.
	It's because most people think that's fine.
	It's great, man.
	Oh, it's good to know.
	Yes.
	Good, I like to be tracked.
	Anonymous, $100.
	William Elliott, $100.
	Sir Sam, $90.09.
	Space boobs!
	Is that what that is?
	We do this right.
	Space boobs!
	Thank you.
	Opening, perfect.
	Might be.
	Brandon Foster, $75.
	Arnie Carlson, $73.
	Happy birthday to my dear wife, Christina.
	I got that on the list.
	Sure do.
	He's going for damehood for her.
	Listen to this.
	A couple months ago, she started to listen to episode one and has been moving through the stack since then.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Yeah, people like that.
	Sir Kurt of Team Winky.
	Team Winky, yay.
	Well, he's going to be knighted today.
	70, yeah.
	Gitmo down under here.
	I have a small monthly donation subscription running.
	Recent Dame Drive prompted me to look at how that has accumulated.
	I was pleased and a little surprised to note that with this extra amount, another $1,000 has been contributed to the best podcast in the universe.
	I would like to dedicate all these to my rock.
	If I may, and have my most excellent wife take her rightful place by my side and share with me the delights of the round table.
	Please proclaim her Dame Nissa Jane of Team Winky.
	Cheers, Sir Kurt of Team Winky.
	That's a Dame drive right there.
	Thank you very much, Sir Kurt, and we look forward to bringing the love of your life up on the podium here just minutes from now.
	Baron Mark Tanner, Whittier, California, 6789, comes in twice a month with that donation.
	Sam Van Hoor in Amsterdam, 6006.
	I think it's Hooran.
	I think we dropped an N. Sam Van Hooran.
	Hooran, I think.
	Forgot to ask.
	Hooran.
	Please dedouche me.
	My name is correctly spelled without an N. Oh, I'm sorry.
	Hooran.
	Then it would be Hooran.
	Hooran.
	Hooran.
	Some fun Hooran.
	Try it again.
	Some fun horror.
	You've been de-douched.
	But he says, as long as you keep butchering my name, I'll keep donating.
	That's the reason to go.
	Why not?
	Why should I ever get good at these names?
	Christopher Dechter is just discouraging.
	Some fun whore is how people in the troll room heard it.
	Some fun whore.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Some fun whore.
	That's the way it's going to be from now on.
	His name is probably, you know, like Pete Williamson, and he's just lighting that down.
	He's like, can you please make an announcement for Mike Hunt?
	Could you please?
	It's like, come on.
	D-douching for Mike Hunt.
	Christopher Dechter, 5678.
	Jonathan Evans, 5555.
	Sir Luke, the Baron of London and the Southeast, 5537 has a birthday coming up.
	John D. Carney, 5510, double nickels on the dime.
	Jennifer Hedrick in Harvard, Illinois, 5150.
	Got a birthday for someone.
	Marco Castellanos in Gibraltar?
	What is that?
	GT and maybe Gibraltar.
	I'll look it up.
	Look it up.
	Yeah.
	Well, just keep going.
	I'll take me a moment.
	Anna Mercuriev.
	Guatemala.
	There we go.
	Hello, Guatemala.
	Hello, Guatemala.
	Very nice.
	Guatemala.
	Anna Mercuriev in St.
	Louis, Missouri.
	And she's on the birthday list.
	Baronet Sur Economic Hitman in Houston, Texas, 50-01.
	The following people are $50 donors, name and location.
	Michael Burlett in Odessa, Florida.
	Keith Yarborough in Austin, Austin, Texas.
	Kimberly Redman in Toronto, Ontario.
	Jonathan Ferris in Liberal, Kansas.
	Alois Liebel in Newark, Delaware.
	Robert Kerback in Essexville, Michigan.
	Kevin Silverman in Severn, Maryland.
	Dame Patricia Worthington.
	She's higher than a dame.
	I don't know what it is anymore.
	In Miami, Florida.
	She's higher than a dame.
	Wow, I'm so high.
	Ross and Ross and Tochkow.
	Tochkow or something.
	I don't know.
	In London, UK. Brandon Savoy.
	It's Tochkow.
	Ross and Tochkow.
	I think I met him at the meetup.
	He's a Russian spy.
	Oh, good.
	Well, good.
	Cheap.
	Yeah.
	Brandon Savoy.
	We don't get any money from the Russians.
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	I mean, I'm talking about the agency, not the individual.
	No, no, no.
	It's not the agents themselves.
	It's Center.
	Center is the problem.
	Yeah, Center.
	Yeah.
	Hello, Center.
	That building, that funny-looking building they're in.
	Mark Teinauer in Midlothian, Virginia, and last but not least, Mark Johnson in Aurora, Colorado.
	I want to thank all the folks for producing Show 1190 and keeping us going and helping everybody else out by doing this.
	Yes, and remember, we continue with our Dame Drive.
	You saw a perfect example of that, so we'll be bringing Nissa Jane onto the stage momentarily.
	Get the woman in your life a damehood.
	Call her a lady.
	Treat her like a lady.
	Treat her like a lady, everybody.
	Yes, well, that's all I have there.
	Oh, I of course want to thank everyone who came in under $50.
	Many of you do that to stay anonymous.
	It's always a risk putting anonymous in your letter, but we were pretty good with that today.
	But there's always a surefire way, and that's coming under $50.
	And for everybody who has a subscription, this is very important.
	You help us enormously in addition to your regular donations.
	Just Perhaps I only got $4 a month.
	Doesn't matter what it is.
	It does add up, and it's longevity.
	You're investing in the future of the show.
	No matter what happens, you're investing in the future of the show.
	And it is a value-for-value system.
	Whatever you think the show is worth to you, you're listening three hours.
	What was it worth to you?
	Let us know by supporting us at Dvorak.org slash NA. Dvorak.org slash NA. For those who need it...
	You've got karma.
	It's your birthday, birthday.
	I'm so much younger.
	And today is the 14th of November, 2019.
	We have a nice list today.
	Anna Murkurniev, she turned 23 yesterday.
	Happy birthday to her.
	Mark Menzik says happy birthday to his son, Tom.
	His birthday is today, the 14th.
	Sir Luke, the Baron of London in the Southeast, celebrates tomorrow.
	Arna Carlson says happy birthday to his wife, Christina.
	She'll be celebrating on the 16th.
	And Jennifer Hendrick and Autumn and Calvin all say happy birthday to Carlos Pesina.
	And we say happy birthday as well from everybody here at the staff and management of the best podcast in the universe.
	All right, let's do this daming.
	Let's get this going.
	It's got a nice dame blade.
	There you go.
	Oh, nice.
	Ooh, wow.
	You got the sharp one.
	There's mine.
	Perfect.
	Okay.
	Nissa Jane!
	Missa Jane, come on up here.
	Sir Kurt of Team Winky loves you, girl.
	And that's why he has supported you in your very own dame drive and completed your damehood.
	And I'm very proud to pronounce the KC. Dame Missa Jane of Team Winky.
	And for you, here at the round table, we have hookers and blow, or perhaps rent boys and chardonnay more up your alley.
	Also, taquitos and taquilla, chilled potato Polish mash, bourbon and bong rips, goat chops and goat milk, diet soda and video games, pepperoni rolls and pale ales, bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts, ginger ale and gerbils, maybe just some mutton and mead.
	I'm sure you can enjoy that with your man, with your knight.
	It's the sir and the dame.
	And we have chairs next to each other here at the roundtable.
	Thank you for the support.
	And please head on over to noagendanation.com slash rings.
	Give Eric the Show all your deets.
	Your deets, as the kids say.
	Deets!
	The deets.
	And I expect to see a photo of the dame and the knight with both their knight rings proudly displayed.
	That'll be something nice for the tweeters.
	No agenda beat-up!
	It's not your party!
	It's just like a party.
	It's where you can go and have conversations.
	You okay?
	Yeah.
	What's wrong?
	I turned on the other monitor.
	It has the hearings going.
	I have to turn it off.
	It's going to knock me out.
	What you're talking about, but are you okay for another 30 minutes?
	Yeah, I can handle it.
	I turned off the monitor.
	Okay.
	Meetups.
	Here's the list.
	These meetups are a phenomenon that is only explainable by the fact that we have a common bond as no agenda producers.
	And we know that no matter what a person looks like, how they speak, yes, even if they drop the A's, if they have vocal fry, it doesn't matter.
	Because we all come from the same place and we all meet at places and we hang out and we have a good time.
	Today, we have the local 512 South Austin, Texas meetup at 730.
	That's, of course, hosted by Sir Scott.
	He's the baronet of the No Agenda Armory and his lovely wife, Christine.
	Meetup at Doc's Backyard in Sunset Valley.
	It's the second time they're doing this.
	I won't be there tonight.
	They do it on Thursdays because they don't want me there.
	In Michigan, it's true.
	That's what they told me.
	It's like, we do it on Thursdays.
	That's what they did in a note, too.
	Yeah, we don't want you around.
	Also today in Michigan, 6.30 Eastern, the local number one pizza run.
	You can join them at Spicy Slices.
	Build your own personal Neapolitan pizza.
	Yousef Hagazi is your host.
	Tomorrow, Wichita's Cowtown Hoedown meet up.
	The first one, 6 o'clock, and that will be in FEMA region number 7, of course.
	The Wichita Brewing Company asks for a dude named Clem and Darren the Navigator.
	Saturday, Cincinnati, Ohio at 3 o'clock.
	This is the official.
	I got tired of waiting for somebody else to schedule a meet-up.
	Meet-up.
	Come to the Fretboard Brewing Company for an afternoon of merriment.
	Baron Foxbad of the Cook Islands.
	Look for the man with the tan.
	The 22nd also.
	Oh, we jump right to next week.
	Well, I'll give you that one as well.
	That'll be in The Hague in the Netherlands.
	The city of international justice and world peace.
	And the seat of the Dutch government.
	The residence of our king and loads and loads of expats.
	And a little town in miniature world.
	Not far from there.
	The venue will be the Fiddler Den Haag in the heart of the city.
	A five-minute walk from the Binnenhof where the Dutch Knights Hall is situated.
	So all you knights and dames should not feel out of place.
	There can never be enough at NA meetups.
	Robin of the Dunes of the Hague is organizing that.
	And I'll just add in Kamloops, British Columbia, Scandinavia, 6 o'clock on next Saturday.
	And that will be at the Noble Pig.
	And those are your meetups for now.
	I did have a meetup report and I'd ask people to send a video or audio.
	I did get one, but it was kind of like a presented meetup.
	It was too long, a minute and a half.
	But it was with the Boston meetup, which we already reviewed, right?
	I did the report.
	Anyway, this is a still written Orange County meetup.
	Let's see.
	Although the outing had a few hiccups and a few less attendees, they had nine, which is still not bad.
	A grand time was had by all who made the sojourn.
	We met with some new no-agendians, reconnected with old ones, and check this.
	Even had a brief video chat with Sir Chris Wilson, who regaled us with songs and bits to keep us entertained while we looked for a second venue.
	Chris Wilson just dialed in on video chat to just entertain people.
	Love that guy.
	He is the true troubadour.
	He is the true troubadour.
	Well, the drunken minstrel is his title, which brings us to the hiccups.
	He's really a drunken troubadour.
	This brings us to the hiccups.
	Attention, meetup people, you can learn from this.
	We chose Boscat next to the John Wayne Airport, and that was just in case John wanted to attend.
	Yeah, pfft.
	And found that it was over...
	Hey, I wanted to attend, but they jacked up the prices on flights to John Wayne so high that it was not practical.
	Southwest, isn't that like their main...
	It's one of their main...
	Well, their main one, I think, is Phoenix, but it's one of them.
	Well, anyway, we found it was overcrowded and loud AF. Look it up, John, they say.
	It's like an OK Boomer Slam.
	No, you're talking about autofocus.
	Exactly.
	We were forced to find a second venue after a few NA-ers called it quits.
	However, those of us who stayed had a wondrous time exploring that weird barcade nightclub place with the awesome tacos.
	Moving on, we sent a collected donation of $180.
	Please send us all some goat karma.
	Yours in 5G, Crystal and Ryan Darrow, and the rest of the OC No Agendians.
	Yes, I will send some goat karma to you.
	You've got karma.
	Here we go.
	Thank you all very much.
	And if you want to know where the meetups are, go to noagendameetups.com.
	Unlike those phonies at meetups.com, it costs nothing.
	You don't have to pay per attendee or anything like that.
	And even better than that, if you want to start a meetup, same place, noagendameetups.com.
	Yeah, it's fantastic.
	I have a couple of things to get to before we go with more clips.
	Okay.
	This is my list.
	Your list.
	Of things that we're supposed to talk about, we never do.
	Oh!
	Did you clean up the office and you fell?
	No, no, I have it hanging from the ceiling on a string.
	And for some reason, the last show I never noticed it.
	So, here it is.
	Okay.
	You were discussing, while in Amsterdam...
	Credit card, you can't buy dope, meaning marijuana or hashish or whatever, with a credit card.
	I'm sorry, with cash.
	No, you can't use a credit card, but you have talked about it on the show many a time, that you can't use cash in Amsterdam.
	So how does this work?
	Well, you're right.
	Now, the way this particular coffee shop worked, which was in Rotterdam, Very modern on the inside, and it's all, so you walk in, it's kind of like a little waiting room, and then behind the glass, there's two people who are selling the product.
	Can we stop and back up, and let me ask a question that probably was answered years ago, but I want to ask it again.
	Why are marijuana pot smoking places called coffee shops?
	Because you can buy coffee there as well.
	They originally were coffee shops where you could smoke, and then it kind of became smoke shops where you can coffee.
	So if you actually had a real coffee shop, and you didn't want to sell anything but coffee...
	Like a true coffee shop.
	You couldn't really call it a coffee shop in Holland.
	In fact, I think you may not even be allowed to call it a coffee shop.
	Because of the connotation.
	Yeah, because you're not allowed to create new ones.
	It's being phased out to harmonize with the European Union.
	So eventually this will be gone.
	By the way, weed is not actually legal in Holland.
	It is permitted, but it is not legal.
	And there are some very strict restrictions on the sellers.
	So it's kind of like buying a train ticket where you have the little...
	You know, you can slide your ID underneath the...
	Underneath the window, the little slot there, most people are requested...
	Of course, I have a Texas driver's license, which was accepted, but you can't swipe it or tap it on their...
	They have government ID, and everyone's just like, oh, okay, I'll just prove who I am, and they swipe their government ID, and it says, okay, you're approved.
	Of course, the government now knows you're buying weed, but that's just a minor thing that I guess the Dutch don't care about.
	So that's to prove that you can actually buy it.
	Then you purchase.
	And I just...
	They have a PIN machine, which is for your debit card, your PIN card, which actually doesn't work on the debit card system.
	It only works on the Dutch banking system, which is why they called it a PIN card.
	And I put my credit card in and it went...
	I'm like, wow, should I try it again?
	I'm sure it'll...
	No, no, no.
	And then it came, geen weet op krediet, she said.
	I said, what?
	Geen weet op krediet, which translates, it rhymes, but it translates to no weed on credit.
	Geen weet op krediet.
	And I said, oh, so yeah, that's the law.
	You cannot buy weed on credit, which makes sense.
	I'm okay with that.
	But, of course, I didn't have a PIN card, so I did have cash, and they gladly accepted that.
	And then, to answer your question, kind of, then you back up, you turn left, there's a glass door, and, of course, I showed my ID. If you have an ID to swipe, then the glass door unlocks.
	You can go in, and it's a beautifully, like, wood and glass, modern interior design.
	Coffee shop with actually free coffee, a coffee machine you can just get your coffee from, cappuccino if you wanted it, and smoke.
	Well, you kind of ignored the question.
	No, I didn't.
	I answered it completely.
	I know the question, the real question was, you said on a previous show you can't use cash.
	Well, apparently, for buying weed, you still can.
	Because they have to sell to foreigners, and foreigners don't have the PIN system.
	So this is one of the...
	And I've never said you can't...
	So you can use cash in certain spots in...
	I've never said you can't use it anywhere.
	I said they were phasing it out.
	I thought you did.
	No, I said they're phasing it out.
	And there are shops where you...
	Don't buckle fry me.
	No, maybe that was the trick that Bill was using.
	Oh, brother.
	All right.
	Let me give you...
	Screw your list.
	Do you remember what I said about the lowering of the speed limit?
	Yes.
	It happened.
	No.
	Yep.
	The Dutch speed limit lowered from 130 kilometers an hour to 100 nationwide, which is about 62.
	That's the top speed limit.
	There's lots of lower speed limits where you drive.
	Now, there's an exemption between 7 p.m.
	and 6 a.m.
	You still may be able to drive 130 on certain sections.
	But here's how it was explained.
	This is very interesting.
	The Prime Minister said in announcing this ruling, the reason they're doing this is it will lower the obvious greenhouse deadly gases that are killing us all.
	And because we all collectively drive slower, we are saving on our carbon budget.
	And therefore, the building sector can now go back to work and they will get their 18,000 permits to start building over 74,000 homes, which we will need because we're expecting a lot of immigrants to come.
	Do you think this pisses some people off?
	Wow!
	And he had the audacity...
	And they tell you, they put this out there as though it's good news?
	And had the audacity to add to that, if more people start driving battery cars, we may be able to raise it eventually sometime, kind of, maybe.
	The Dutch are outraged.
	Now, this is from the same party who are the majority party, who I think have been in almost 18 years.
	I think it was, maybe it was 10 years ago.
	It's the same party who raised the limit.
	They're a center right wing, the VVD. They raised the limit from 100 to 130, saying it actually is better to drive faster.
	You get there sooner, therefore you pollute less.
	But everyone's forgotten that, apparently.
	And now it's going to lower everything so the construction sector can get back to work to build the almost 100,000 homes because we've got a lot of immigrants coming.
	Well, I'll tell you.
	Eventually, someone is going to get hurt in this mess.
	This is nuts.
	And having lived there in this country, that speed limit is very important for the Dutch.
	It's just a culturally important thing.
	I found that fascinating.
	Wow.
	Okay, one more thing on the list.
	And I was looking at, oh yeah, Podcasters Union.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think we were talking about this maybe after the show that whatever happened to it, did they happen?
	Are the podcasters union in place?
	Are people benefiting from this?
	I'd love to know.
	I don't see any more stories about it.
	I heard the one time, was it Gimlet that was getting unionized?
	Yeah, I think it was Gimlet.
	Yeah, I think it was Gimlet.
	Well, Gimlet was bought by Spotify, and that's the end of it.
	Yeah, there's no union as far as I know.
	Anything else on your list?
	No, that was the only two items on the list, surprisingly.
	John C. Dvorak, Baker-like pride.
	Today's Teddy K. He's an OTG kind of guy.
	Yeah, everybody, he's an OTG kind of guy.
	Okay, boomer.
	Yeah, I do have some OTG stuff to discuss because I got answers to the SMS text messaging issue that I witnessed.
	And I was having messages not showing up when I was texting the keeper from overseas.
	And I think I've had more of these issues.
	I know for sure sometimes pictures don't get sent, which means...
	Well, I'm just going to say, isn't there other rules about when you're overseas trying to send it to the U.S.? It's always a problem.
	It shouldn't be.
	When SMS first came into play, it was very much a network-delivered service from the telco networks, and it was guaranteed that It was like a guaranteed service.
	You can even have receipts.
	It was quite a big deal.
	It came in with the GSM standard way before it came to the U.S. It was quite the revelation.
	People were using it because it was cheaper than calling.
	I remember that was during the era where people would have two phones.
	They'd have one for calling and one for SMS.
	Oh, I don't remember that.
	I never had that.
	Yeah, it was because of the rates.
	They would – Oh, right, right.
	Phone system that – because SMS costs money.
	Yeah.
	The SMS was cheap.
	It was being subsidized, but the phone calling was expensive on this one line and then on the other line where the phone was cheap and the SMS was expensive.
	So you ended with two phones.
	Well, this – the answer to what's going on here or the explanation really comes in my mind close to some claims you've made which are sounding very true when you read this.
	And we got a number of dudes named Ben, who all requested anonymity because they work in this sector, so no names.
	But I picked one of them out that I think is...
	I mean, they all kind of basically said the same thing.
	I recently worked for an SMS router called OpenMarket.
	They are an absolute mess, yet they have millions of messages they deliver.
	And just so you know, that these routers, there's many of them, and essentially all the telcos, all the phone companies have outsourced this type of work to these routers because it's a lot of Our dude in advance continues.
	This is not that dissimilar to what email providers do.
	The company charges per message for some customers, but also they have to compete so they will give large buckets of pricing to some providers.
	Now, this company is an SMS, MMS, RCS router for many giant organizations, yet they have recently lost out on a large contract with Amazon.
	Gotta love it.
	Um...
	Where am I? But they are the provider for Apple, for instance, which is one of the largest companies they broker.
	They use a legacy service structure in a data center and are currently migrating to a microservice architecture, especially the new RCS service.
	This is what Google is trying to push everybody toward.
	The most recent technological advancement in this realm is the use of RCS, Rich Communication Services.
	It's a protocol between both mobile operators and phones.
	The overall aim of RCS is for it to eventually replace SMS and MMS. The reason why these messages do sort of late delivery can be a multitude of issues is likely due to consumer processes that fail on the back end to deliver messages from the queue.
	Many of these services use Amazon Web Services or RabbitMQ for queuing, and there are a number of issues with these services.
	This is kind of consistent, what I heard, is that they can't handle the load, really, and this is why I mentioned that you've been...
	And seeing this and you believe that Twitter and other companies that claim algorithms are doing the business, that they actually can't display everything as desired because of just the workload or the amount of data or it just – well, you tell me your suspicions.
	I've noticed this.
	I think the whole shadow banning thing is a scam.
	They gladly accept the responsibility of, oh, well, yeah, we were shadow banning.
	They're not doing anything except they just can't handle the load.
	It's too much.
	Twitter is just overloaded.
	They can't afford more capacity because they start losing money.
	It's a bean counter thing.
	I think this is true with just not only them.
	I think this was also true.
	I think this is showing up with the new Disney services that failed already.
	Oh, yeah.
	They had a bad launch.
	And that's why you have people that have come up with these other technologies where they use these appliances.
	And Google does it with their YouTube.
	They have a YouTube appliance that's at most ISPs, and they also – Netflix does, and that's why it seems as though they can handle the load.
	Well, it's because most of the load they're not handling is being handled by these other little systems that have put their best movies.
	For example, on Netflix, you go find some really old piece of crap on Netflix that nobody's watched in a long time.
	It's not going to come to you at all.
	Oh, really?
	It won't load?
	It chokes off.
	Oh, okay.
	Spin, spin, spin.
	Here it is.
	But you watch a first-run movie, boom, they're right there.
	That kind of puts a new slant on something that Instagram is doing.
	Instagram is now removing likes from posts.
	Is an Instagram post without likes still worth sharing?
	That's what users will find out when the platform starts hiding likes on some U.S. posts.
	The idea is to try and depressurize Instagram, make it less of a competition, give people more space to focus on connecting with people that they love, things that inspire them.
	Already tested in seven other countries, Instagram will hide likes on a limited number of U.S. accounts for now.
	You'll be able to see the likes, but your followers won't.
	Kim Kardashian, one of Instagram's biggest influencers with more than 150 million followers, is giving the change her stamp of approval.
	As far as mental health, I mean, it's something that, you know, I think taking the likes away and taking that aspect away from it would be really beneficial for people.
	That idea has also pushed other social platforms like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter to experiment with removing metrics that show how many users like or see a post, too.
	Along with the social pressure to rack up likes, Instagram has also turned iconic places like this, down under the Manhattan Bridge, from popular into overrun, often just for the gram.
	I actually don't post as much as I used to just because even the comments give me anxiety sometimes.
	When you're so hung up on what people are liking and what people are don't liking, you're kind of forgetting about really what was Instagram all about to begin with.
	Instagram's experiment could soon become a reality for everyone, like it or not.
	So I don't know if that's because they can't handle displaying the number of likes.
	They seem to want to display it for the...
	Well, let me stop you before you go on with that thesis, because I think it quite possibly could be taking a bit of the load off.
	And I'll tell a story.
	There's a person that told me this, and apparently this used to go on all the time, but most of the CEOs of airlines don't fly on their airlines anymore, but they used to.
	And this guy was a friend of mine, and apparently this happened a lot.
	There was a guy that used to be the CEO of American Airlines, Crawford Kramer, something like that.
	He was a very famous CEO, and he's blowhard.
	And the guy was talking to him, well, in the first class, he's talking to him.
	He says, well, you know, the food used to be better, and this guy, the CEO, says, you know, we used to put two olives on this meal.
	Yeah.
	And we only put one olive on now, and that saved us $3 million a year.
	No kidding.
	And you take this one, and those little things do add up.
	And I believe that that scales right to these systems.
	And so they have to, the little thing like taking the likes off probably saves them a lot of server space, and it saves them some computation.
	And I think it probably does take enough.
	It's like taking the olive off.
	A little bit?
	It's the olive theory.
	It's the olive theory.
	Well, Cardi B, who is an authority when it comes to Instagram, and she's very successful.
	She's a lot wealthier than we are.
	She posted on Instagram, she posted something to us, Instastory, Instastory about the likes, and And she talks weird, but she's worth listening to because she's still approaching this from a mental health perspective, not the olive theory.
	But she makes a good comment about some other changes that have occurred to Instagram, which she feels have ruined the product.
	And she is an expert.
	So, you know, it's like a big ruckus right now that the likes on Instagram are getting taken away.
	And it's like...
	Hmm.
	This is my opinion on it, right?
	So, from the beginning of Instagram, we had likes.
	And I feel like in the beginning of Instagram, everything was just so fun.
	People wanted to post their pictures, get likes.
	It was just a place where you could see pictures, and then it started to become videos.
	Where I think that Instagram got a little nasty, and it just took a weird turn, was when people started to like the comments, when they were allowed to like comments or to reply back to somebody's comments.
	That's when I feel like people started saying nasty things out of hand.
	People would post news about, I don't know, It's hard to listen to.
	But she's making a good point that Instagram used to be just you post a picture and there was a list of comments underneath.
	Now you can comment on comments and you can like comments.
	And I think that may be more important is if you have to display a count.
	I mean, shoot, YouTube doesn't even update their counts in real time.
	We know that.
	So, you know, it may just be an olive problem.
	It's certainly very disruptive for, and that's in a way it's like with Twitter.
	By the way, I have an Instagram account.
	I've had one since the early inception of the service, but it's on some old phone.
	I've never even posted anything.
	But I go there once in a while, look at people's pictures or something along those lines, but I didn't know they were letting you like comments.
	When would that start?
	I don't know.
	I checked it this morning, so it is possible, but yeah, you can like comments.
	Alright, still on OTG, as we had a kerfuffle.
	A kerfuffle!
	Now, every company in Silicon Valley wants to be your bank.
	I think we've mentioned this for several years now.
	That is always the ultimate.
	And now we know that Google plans to offer checking accounts.
	Facebag wants to give you Facebag doubloons.
	Everyone wants to be your bank.
	And not only that, they want to be your medical provider.
	And they just want to have your whole life and you're holding that in your hands with that stupid smartphone, which you should throw away.
	You really...
	And I have some...
	On Sunday, I have some thoughts for people who want to live the OTG lifestyle, how you can get into it cost-effectively, and how it will, if you have phone addiction, which most of us do, how it will save you from that.
	And so I'm working on a little segment.
	But the latest kerfuffle was the Apple credit card...
	Which is back-officed by Goldman Sachs, who, by the way, are irked that they didn't get the credit for it.
	They're kind of happy now, I think, because, well, the algos that are determining credit limits are biased.
	Apple calls it simple and secure.
	A credit card created by Apple, not a bank.
	But Apple and partner Goldman Sachs are now accused of gender bias.
	Software developer and millionaire David Heinemeier Hansen says he and his wife share assets and income.
	But Apple Card gave him a credit line 20 times higher than hers, even though she has a higher credit score.
	It seemed very discriminatory that I would get 20 times the credit limit, even though our stats were the same.
	Goldman says a computer algorithm made the decision.
	When Hanson vented on Twitter, social media erupted with similar stories.
	Even the man who co-founded Apple, Steve Wozniak, says he got 10 times the credit limit that his wife Janet got.
	It was so low I could barely buy a plane ticket and I buy all of his plane tickets.
	I always think in terms of assets and income, and it's the same for both of us, and that should determine your credit worthiness.
	Goldman Sachs, Apple's financial partner, says gender and marital status are not factors.
	We look at an individual's income and an individual's credit worthiness, which includes factors like personal credit scores, how much debt you have, and how that debt has been managed.
	Consumer advocates say algorithm bias is nothing new.
	We've seen it in housing.
	We've seen it in hiring.
	We've seen it in healthcare.
	Tonight, the Wozniaks say Goldman Sachs has offered to increase Janet's limit as New York state regulators look into whether this credit card algorithm has an illegal gender bias.
	First of all, I find it very sad that people are actually angry about how much in debt they can go.
	I just find that just incredibly sad.
	I mean, get a debit card if you want no limit, if you've got the money, but okay, or get an American Express card, or it's just, you know...
	Arguing, oh, I'm so great, I can go up to $100,000 in debt.
	Okie dokie, good on you.
	Of course, if you really want to know what's going on, if you want the true answers in technology, we all know there's only one queen.
	It's got to be Kara Swisher who can tell us what's really going on.
	It also really kind of speaks to the fact that, yes, an algorithm involves computers, it involves machines, but there still has to be a human being that's basically inputting the code and how that speaks to what could perhaps be inherent biases or even just mistakes or unintended consequences.
	Thank you.
	In this case, you know, what's really the problem is there's so many good examples of bad outcomes here, and they only grow as time goes on, and I think it should be extended out for lots of things.
	It's this idea that algorithms rule us, and as we get into quantum computing and everything else, we tend to rely on the decisions of these technologies that were created by people.
	And largely by men and largely by white men.
	And so it's just this thing we have to think about is how these algorithms go into place and how much...
	So I call such bull crap on what she just said.
	I guarantee you it's brown and yellow men writing these algorithms.
	It's not white men.
	Mostly Indians.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Brown men.
	But no, it's white men.
	Men, and they're white.
	It's all their fault.
	That was shameful.
	Yeah, she should have her card pulled.
	And there's plenty of women coding this stuff, too.
	So, she's full of crap.
	Most of the white guys are the bosses.
	Hello?
	Isn't she a white dude?
	I mean, come on, Kara.
	Get it together.
	Alright, one last one.
	By the way, I missed this.
	Okay, there we go.
	One last one just to make you throw up in your mouth a little bit.
	This is a fabulous little NPR segment they did on this great smart home neighborhood which Amazon is sponsoring.
	It's the future, John.
	It's great.
	It's going to be fabulous!
	Brittany Savatch works for Lennar, one of the nation's largest home builders.
	And she's been making the same sales pitch over and over to potential homebuyers in this Seattle suburb.
	Control everything from your window blinds to your door locks using just your voice.
	The front door is locked.
	Adjust the mood lighting or tell Roomba to clean up.
	Call up the feed from one of the countless video cameras on the smart television.
	Alexa, show me the backyard.
	Okay.
	And now we can spy on whoever's having a drink on the back patio.
	Ha ha ha.
	Cameras and convenience.
	That's the pitch.
	Drew Holmes wasn't looking for a smart home when he shopped for a house here, but the technologies came with the house.
	Now I would not live without them.
	His favorite feature is a ring doorbell that logs visitors.
	I have a teenager.
	It's nice to confirm when they come home, and I have proof of it.
	One time, Holmes was away on a business trip, and his stepdaughter forgot her key and couldn't get in.
	So she just texted me, hey, can you open the door?
	And I opened the door from Oregon.
	And so that was nice.
	Problem solved.
	There are other neighborhoods like this, bubbling up outside tech-savvy cities like Miami and Denver.
	And I should mention, Amazon is an NPR sponsor.
	In this neighborhood, Alexa's in every room.
	She adjusts the thermostat and reports on people's commutes when they roll out of bed.
	And she's getting better at it because she's watching and learning what people need.
	Dave Garland thinks the technology will take off once people try it.
	He's with Second Century Ventures, an investment arm of the National Association of Realtors.
	There's a new narrative when it comes to what home means.
	It means a personalized environment where technology responds to your every need.
	Maybe it means giving up some privacy.
	These families are trying out that compromise.
	15-year-old Macy Ferguson says she likes it.
	She uses Alexa alarms, one for cheerleading practice and one for homework, to help her manage her busy life.
	I just feel really fancy because I feel like she's my little, like, servant.
	Or butler?
	I don't know.
	Slave.
	Slave is what you mean.
	Slave.
	Racist kid.
	If I'm walking on our street, I walk on the other side of the street.
	The side without the smart homes.
	Just because I don't feel like being on everyone's cameras.
	And that's something we'll all have to learn how to navigate if this technology becomes standard in more neighborhoods.
	Can't wait, NPR. Thanks for that wonderful report with your Amazon sponsor.
	That's disgusting.
	I know, it's disgusting.
	This is just 1984 stuff.
	Yeah, and we're happily purchasing it.
	Well, we're not.
	No.
	The public at large, or most people, are all happy.
	They're giddy.
	They're giddy.
	They're all giddy with it, and it won't end well.
	I'm sorry.
	Continue.
	I was just going to say...
	What?
	It won't end well.
	I forgot what I was going to say.
	You said it's not going to end well.
	No, I was going to say something else.
	Oh, especially when they cut your power off, is what I was going to say.
	Oh, yes, which happens a lot now.
	Yes.
	It was bitching about it.
	And then they had a whole special.
	I didn't clip it, of course.
	But it's like, I can tell you, it's like I'm a fisherman.
	You know, I caught this huge fish.
	The one that got away.
	Yeah.
	That's alright.
	That's alright.
	So this was a clip about how all the cell towers were cut off along with the rest of the power and nobody could even communicate.
	Ham Radio, baby.
	K5ACC.com.
	That's what I keep saying, Ham Radio.
	That's it.
	We will return on Sunday.
	I'm coming to you from Opportunity Zone 33 here in FEMA Region No.
	6, which you can find at the governmental maps in the capital of the drone star state, Austin Tejas.
	Remember us at thevorak.org.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I want to send laments to the people that are suffering from I'm John C. Dvorak.
	Special thanks to Jesse Coy Nelson.
	Let's see, we've got the Jeff Smith.
	And I'm going to throw that social media song out there as well.
	Nick the Rat coming up next on NoAgendaStream.com until Sunday.
	Adios, mofos and such!
	Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.
	Flying over Afghanistan Or maybe it was Pakistan I promised myself to aim myself At every woman, child and man That was on my list I don't care if I missed
	I'm remote controlled I do what I'm told By someone at a computer Obama gave me a push More than Bush And I cost millions I'm supposed to target terrorists But not so much civilians I don't know what to say Whoops, some got in my way A drone again Naturally.
	A drone again.
	Naturally.
	No agenda.
	And a baby.
	No agenda.
	In the morning.
	Yay!
	No agenda.
	But resist, we might.
	Amen.
	Fist bump.
	No gender! No gender! Space Force!
	It's real!
	No agenda!
	Oh my gosh!
	Can you see that juice?
	No agenda!
	And her head is gone.
	That's true.
	No agenda!
	Adios, mofo.
	No agenda!
	And baby!
	God!
	Woo!
	Hey now y'all, can we just get real?
	Do we really care about our fans or is this just another deal?
	Said another way that we lost our way?
	Social's about the people, remember?
	We are people.
	Do we really need another like, fan, or share?
	Do we need another post to show up everywhere?
	I hope as we scatter that we never forget that our posts live forever even when we go to bed.
	So connect with me.
	Let's have some fun.
	Let's show the world how this gets done.
	Let's get social.
	Social.
	Social media.
	Let's get social.
	Social.
	We're social media.
	We can spread the word and grow our reach.
	And find our fans in their nose feet.
	Let's get social.
	Let's get social!
	Let's get social!
	Let's get social media!
	Give it up, Mary McCoy!
	Woo!
	The best podcast in the universe!
	Adios, mofo, dvorak.org slash n Hot liquid.

▲