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	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Sunday, March 17, 2019.
	This is your award-winning Kimbo Nation Media Assassination, episode 1121.
	This is no agenda.
	Reading the manifesto so you don't have to.
	And broadcasting live from the capital of the drone, Star State, here in downtown Austin, Tejas, in the Clunio, in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where we all say...
	I'm Johnson.
	The top of the in the morning.
	Ah, yes, it's St.
	Patrick's Day.
	That's right.
	I almost forgot.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's been such a nutty couple of days that, you know, we forgot children are out protesting.
	We forgot St.
	Patrick's Day.
	It's just...
	Everything is up in the air.
	The children, they're out protesting.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'll start off with my news from yesterday.
	Your news?
	Yeah, minor news.
	I believe that we are starting to see a tipping point with the phone zombies.
	Yeah.
	Go on.
	Okay.
	Yesterday, we went over to the house.
	We were starting to move some stuff slowly, bit by bit, doing it ourselves.
	Saves costs on the movers.
	And we're driving back, and we're on, I think, what is it?
	We're over in southeast Austin.
	We're going towards north.
	And we're in the left hand.
	Now it's south by southwest, so it's a little busier, but it was also around 5 o'clock.
	I thought that was over by now.
	I think today or tomorrow maybe even is the last day.
	It's until the 18th.
	So people either left Thursday or they're leaving today or tomorrow.
	Anyway, so it's a little bit busier, certainly around 5 o'clock, and we have some rush hour traffic anyway, and traffic in Austin is pretty bad.
	And it's four lanes, two on each side.
	I'm in the left-hand lane, and I have to stop.
	We're right near the lake.
	This is a car that's waiting to turn left, waiting for a break in traffic to park by the lake.
	And I'm with Tina, and I'm with Elise, and we're just chatting away.
	And we get rear-ended so hard by a...
	I would say she was probably about 20, 25, 26, a young millennial.
	You've been rear-ended.
	When someone really hits, there was no brake screeches, she went full on into us.
	Probably doing about 40.
	She was on her phone.
	Well, exactly.
	So first I check our cells.
	We're all okay.
	I get out.
	Her thing is totaled.
	Her head is down in the airbag.
	I'm like, holy crap.
	This is not good.
	So I open the door.
	She's still holding the phone?
	No.
	I open the door, and she's dazed.
	I mean, she's seriously dazed, but there's no lacerations or anything.
	And, you know, the airbag is still smoking.
	And the first thing she says is, my brakes didn't work.
	And I see the phone between her legs on the ground with Google Maps open.
	And that was, you know, I just kept her calm and asked her to sit, you know, stay put and don't move until...
	And Austin Police and Fire Department, they were within three minutes so fast.
	And so I didn't have any further contact with her, which actually was kind of weird.
	You know, maybe come up afterwards and say, hey, sorry, but no, didn't get any of that.
	No, no, she's not going to do that.
	And she probably shouldn't.
	What do you mean?
	It's an admission of guilt.
	Right.
	And so, you know, me, of course, I'm talking to the fireman and the firewoman.
	I'm talking to the cops.
	Signing autographs.
	Signing autographs, exactly.
	And, you know, looking at their gear and, you know, how these reports are done, which is pretty cool.
	It's automated.
	They just scan your registration sticker.
	They got all your details.
	It's right there on the front of the car with a barcode.
	They got everything.
	Yes, like going to a car rental place.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	Exactly like that.
	And, you know, so the, you know, I'm talking, the guy says, yeah, distracted driver.
	I said, you know, so is she okay?
	Yeah, she's just a little shaken up.
	She's coming out of it, saying her brake didn't work.
	And I look at him, he says, yeah, I got to put it down because that's what she said.
	But this happens every day now.
	It almost happened to me this morning.
	He says, you know, someone, I was in the right-hand lane so the person behind me could swerve off into the grass.
	This is happening every day.
	And it makes sense that you have these slower speed, you know, 35, average probably mile an hour rear endings, because all you need to do is look down for a second and a half, and you've traveled right into someone's tailgate.
	I think we're going to see a lot more of this.
	Well, we wouldn't see a lot more of it if the phone companies were more responsible.
	I'm talking about the handset makers.
	They could fix their phones so this is not even possible.
	Not even possible to use it?
	They have a little accelerometer in there if the phone is moving faster than 10 miles an hour.
	Yeah, how do you think that would go over with the public?
	Do you think the public would accept that?
	I don't think so.
	I wouldn't accept it.
	Don't tell me what to do.
	I'm not your slave.
	That's what they should do, but then let the law...
	Why don't our legislative people, why don't we let them finally do something about this plague and pass a law that the phone companies have to do that?
	Well, I will say that in Austin, we have very strict laws for...
	We have them in California, too.
	It doesn't help.
	I'm just saying that here, every morning, because Tina drives to work every morning, and they'll be waiting.
	One is waiting on his bike, kind of looking at his knees or something, and then he signals ahead, this one was on their phone.
	I think it's $300 or $500 now, just for holding or touching your phone while driving.
	Well, good.
	I don't think it deters anyone, but anyway.
	I don't think it does either, because you just do it underneath, and you can't see everything.
	Anyway, my tailgate is wrecked.
	Since she had hers between her legs.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, she was holding onto it.
	It wound up on the floor.
	And I could see Google Maps, like, okay, I got it.
	Anyway, I'm glad everyone's unhurt.
	I'm glad you're using for a rude awakening.
	Yeah.
	I could just, I mean, no squeal of brakes, man.
	Nothing.
	She went straight in.
	Yeah.
	Crazy.
	I'm glad you guys weren't hurt.
	Now, I used to work with a guy who was an insurance guy.
	He used to work for insurance companies.
	And he kind of made most of his money off of doing these little insurance scams.
	Including, he says one of the best bits you can do is you drive around Lake Merritt.
	This would be forged cell phones.
	Nowadays you can do this much easier.
	You'd drive around Lake Merritt until you saw somebody right behind you doing her lipstick.
	Then you'd slam on your brakes and let her rear-end you.
	And it was always good for a good amount of money.
	But he says if you get rear-ended like you just did, his advice was to just lay there.
	And say, I need an ambulance.
	Oh, sure.
	He says, good for a quarter of a million.
	Yeah, and for a moment there, you consider that?
	You're thinking like, and they kept asking me, are you sure you're okay?
	And I'm sure, it's good, you know, you sure you're okay?
	Everyone's fine.
	And if we didn't have headrests, yeah, we would not have been fine at all.
	That's what the headrests are for, so you'll break your neck.
	Because that would have been bad.
	But, eh, I guess, you know what?
	My exit strategy came and went, didn't even see it.
	Damn it.
	Well, that'll happen again from the sounds of your prediction.
	Yeah!
	Yeah, exactly.
	You can just wait for it.
	You can probably even, you know, like, draw a foul in basketball.
	You can probably, oh, just think I'll slow down here and stop for a second, maybe 100 yards past the stoplight, see what happens.
	Well, that's a little more exciting than anything I did today.
	Or yesterday.
	I guess today I just started.
	I've just been deep down.
	There's so much interesting stuff to talk about.
	Well, since you started with the millennial douchebag rear-ending you, I might as well play this.
	You know, Facebook went down.
	We didn't talk really too much about it.
	But apparently it was discussed to excess...
	To access on NPR. Oh.
	On one of the fine NPR, I think the name of it, It's Been a Minute is the name of the show.
	And it's a millennial show, and you're going to hear the millennials discussing the great details.
	And they're going to get a lot of details.
	They're going to find all the really deep information, information.
	Well, this is the bonus clip.
	I was wondering what these bonus clips were.
	Sally, your last.
	What are your three words?
	Well, Julia, speaking of infinite and endless ways of interacting with the news, my three words are hashtag Facebook down.
	Tell us about it.
	Well, as you may know, earlier this week, Facebook went down for, I think, about 14 hours.
	And also the quote-unquote Facebook family of apps, as they call it.
	A cute way of talking about all of the internet that they own, which is Instagram and WhatsApp, Tinder.
	So people were having...
	Was Tinder down?
	I have no idea if Tinder was down.
	I thought you might know.
	...a lot of trouble accessing Facebook and Instagram and posting and interacting with it.
	And I think it affected people in multiple countries.
	Right.
	I was affected by my...
	It made it so that I couldn't compulsively refresh Facebook for no reason.
	Oh, wow.
	Freedom.
	Yeah.
	I know.
	You would think that.
	But it was actually...
	No, I feel like at this point, my need to check Facebook has...
	It's been common coded on my...
	Like, there's something evolutionarily happening.
	Oh, yeah.
	I just...
	I instinctually...
	I'll have Facebook open, and I'll be like, I should open Facebook.
	And it's like, it's already there.
	But now it's built in.
	Wow.
	So, there was pandemonium.
	There was pandemonium.
	There was, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And I think, you know, it affected people in real ways, like, who rely on, for example, WhatsApp to communicate with people internationally.
	Right.
	But I think...
	For me, and most of the people I was talking to, it affects us just in that.
	Like, for example, I posted something on Instagram that morning, and I was really hoping to get some likes.
	I staged a really nice photo.
	I'm so sorry.
	Thank you.
	Oh, I'm so sorry.
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, we've all been there, haven't we?
	For understanding.
	Holy crap.
	Bonus clip indeed.
	This is NPR, people.
	Is this the future of NPR? Are these reporters in space?
	This is the millennials talking like, like, I like, I like, I like.
	There's a lot of that going on.
	with all vocal fry and there's some guy there who's just giggling at everything she says very girly like you know try to you know he's but john come on we We've all been there.
	When you style your picture, you wanted some likes and you couldn't get it.
	I mean, it's a bad day, man.
	It's a day wrecker.
	Come on.
	Well, let's let her continue.
	Thank you for understanding.
	I recently put my phone to grayscale to try and not use it as much, which basically means that it looks like a black and white TV or whatever.
	It's not clear and it's not as pleasurable.
	You know what?
	You know what happened?
	I still use all of the apps.
	I just have no pleasure in using them.
	I just get not happy about it, but I'm using them basically just as much as I was when it was color.
	It's really, I feel defeated, honestly.
	But the The thing about this particular Facebook outage is that I noticed recently that when I brought it up to people, more people than usual when there's some sort of outage in an app we use all the time, more people are like, oh, I didn't notice because, for example, your phone's in Grayscale.
	That's right.
	Or my wife took Facebook off her phone and as a result is using it like 95% less.
	So she didn't know about it.
	And I feel like that was the other thing.
	Half of us were experiencing...
	Total panic because we couldn't, you know, access our social media.
	But then, like, half of people were, like, floating with equanimity on a cloud being like, I didn't even notice that because I deleted that app.
	It's funny because I've kind of been reconnecting with an old friend who a few years ago was like, man, like, you've got to get online with the rest of us so we know what's happening in your life.
	It's like, you know, I'm sorry.
	I'm just not the kind of person who does that.
	I'm not on Facebook.
	I'm like, you know what?
	I think you made the right choice.
	Honestly?
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	We've come around now that there was a point where that was like the pretentious choice.
	And now it's actually the most honorable, admirable choice.
	You're so sophisticated.
	I want to be like you one day.
	Deactivating Facebook.
	Incredible.
	Well, this is very disturbing.
	To hear?
	I thought you'd think so.
	Very disturbing.
	This is NPR, people.
	I'll give you a borderline because it's NPR. Borderline!
	That's for the combo of the two, but really, you can't honor this kind of stuff.
	That's really bad.
	That's like really bad, man.
	It's like really bad.
	Honestly, right?
	Honestly, like, right?
	What are they teaching these children?
	That's what got me.
	Besides the vocal fry, she actually switched into a normal voice when she was imitating some, I don't know who she was imitating, but this vocal fry girl sounded normal for a very short time.
	Now, I do have an ISO that I pulled from that.
	Dave Drews found this clip and sent it to me.
	But he pulled the ISO. Yeah, that's when you don't get any likes.
	That's like when you don't get any likes, like it.
	Right?
	Honestly, sure.
	That's NPR, people.
	Yeah, that is...
	There you go.
	This is, to me, this show, and I think a lot of the stuff going on in NPR nowadays is very much like, why does MSNBC... MSNBC still have Al Sharpton.
	The problem with this clip is I am now going to start obsessing over the use of the word like, which you just used.
	Like?
	Yeah.
	It's like...
	It's like...
	We can catch each other.
	Okay, well, it'll be an eight-hour show.
	If you look at the word cloud, we have the transcript.
	At natranscripts.online, I believe it is.
	And if you look at the word cloud, like is the biggest word.
	We've already been infected by these people.
	We have.
	Shall we discuss the New Zealand mosque massacre?
	Well, I have a bunch of clips, so I guess we must.
	Yes, before we jump into clips, and I knew you would have clips, and I'm pretty sure you knew I would be looking at the manifesto.
	Yes, I actually assured myself a couple of things.
	I caught the shootings, well, not as they were occurring, because I never saw the stream, but I did catch it the night of it, because I was watching...
	I was watching popcorn.
	And then I switched to CBSN, and they had a feed from TV3. And then I went to the computer and started recording it.
	TV3 is an Australian local channel.
	They didn't even play CBSN, it was just a feed from Australia, so I managed to get a few kind of interesting clips.
	I don't think any of them were that great.
	A couple of observations as this started.
	The first memes we saw, and with memes, I mean stuff that really went viral, I think it was even a graphic that showed the four steps you have to take when a tragedy happens.
	Don't immediately start reporting.
	It was almost something that would have been handed out to journalists.
	The first information is not always correct.
	Better to report correctly than fast.
	And this propagated very quickly.
	The next thing I saw was, and typically when, even if the person is known only through a social media account, they'll say, all right, the guy's name was Brenton Tarrant.
	Typically they'll have his middle name in there, Brenton Tarrant, which I think this guy has.
	It's like Hugh or something, whatever it is.
	But they didn't.
	It was continuously, the alleged shooter identifies as Brenton Tarrant on social media.
	It was something different.
	I'm not saying there's anything nefarious to it, but I thought that was interesting that the media reported that differently.
	And then came the part that bugged me the most.
	As I had already received a full video copy, offline video copy of the streaming video, and multiple copies of said manifesto, the Great Replacement, And everyone was saying, don't share the document!
	Don't read the document!
	Don't share his name!
	Don't share the manifesto!
	Don't read it!
	Don't share it!
	Don't read it!
	And like, that is so...
	You know how that bugs me.
	Well, a couple of things.
	And I'll just say why...
	That began in New Zealand because the reporters were saying the same thing.
	Well, it was Shapiro...
	They would do their report.
	And by the way, the New Zealand accent is so...
	It's terrible.
	It's harsh.
	It is really a bad accent.
	It's very hard to hear what they're saying.
	But...
	They make a big point.
	They do all this reporting, and they say, we advise you to not do this, not do that.
	They advise you not to pass information around.
	Right.
	But Ben Shapiro was number one on this.
	Oh yeah, another thing.
	Don't use links to the video.
	But Shapiro was doing this.
	And I don't care what you say.
	If someone kills people, you know, like Ted Kaczynski, it's worth a read.
	What was he thinking?
	And to me, and that's where I'll come in.
	You have clips.
	I have a couple things that may add some color.
	That, to me, is the gross thing.
	The second atrocity taking place.
	We had the killings as the first, and then this literal M5M information bomb intended to get a specific response.
	It's written in the manifesto, and everyone's doing it.
	So let's get into what you've got, and then we'll circle around to that.
	Okay.
	These are all under, I think, the massacre subcategory.
	Yeah.
	This was a good one.
	This was one of those early reports about somebody who was actually there and watching it.
	This is the Massacre Man on the Street report from TV3. You said there were some Muslims...
	There were two cars parked here with Muslims in it, and they were just chatting away.
	They didn't seem to be upset.
	They certainly were five minutes, ten minutes later, because they'd come back.
	So I'm thinking that this guy, this was prior...
	To the mosque shooting, because I knew nothing about that.
	Yeah, do you think he was maybe shooting people in this area before he went down to the mosque or shooting at people?
	Well, I didn't see anybody that he shot, but he certainly discharged his rifle twice that way.
	I don't know what he was shooting at, whether he was shooting at Muslims in cars, because that car had another car with it.
	And viewers can't see, but there's a car just beyond us here, outside of the cordon, actually, that has been shot out.
	Has moved.
	It may be that police are not aware that he was shooting this far down here.
	I don't think they're aware that that car even exists, but certainly the motel guy will because he's shot straight in there.
	And were you able, I mean we're pretty close here, this is where, you know, how many metres are we talking that you're away from this guy?
	The width of the road.
	So three and a half there, four metres, five metres.
	Four metres?
	So you could see into his eyes?
	Oh yeah, he was a European guy, thick set.
	I told the police this.
	It was hard to pick his age because he had a complete cover of the outside of his face, like a SWAT guy.
	And a bit of a reflection on the window, but yeah, he was definitely a European of six-set build.
	And that's why I thought he was a tactical SWAT guy.
	And looking back now, you didn't know at the time, but he has clearly been targeting Muslims.
	He's killed 30 of them just down the road here.
	Do you think that he didn't want to kill you?
	Because he obviously had an opportunity to kill you.
	This is a man who's killed 30 people that you've come face to face with.
	Well, obviously, if I walked out here and looked like a Muslim, you know, with my head down up or whatever, he probably would have shot me.
	But, I mean, I looked like a Kiwi bloke or an Aussie bloke.
	I meant him no harm because I didn't understand what was going on.
	But had he pointed a gun with me, I brought a by-tail to, trust me, a gun's a gun, but he was reloading.
	He was reloading.
	I mean, we're sitting here having a conversation right now.
	You've just looked a man in the eye out on your front doorstep who's killed 30 people in New Zealand in a terrorist attack, Ross.
	Oh, I didn't know that at the time.
	I just thought, you know, we're not used to the sort of stuff in Christchurch, let alone in New Zealand, and it takes you by surprise.
	Yeah, that's not very intelligible for many.
	I can barely understand half of what he said.
	He keeps saying sexy body, but he's not.
	He's saying something else.
	And I want to point out, just before we delve into it, we're just going straight into deconstruction, so we're not going to waste your time.
	Yeah, of course, this is horrible.
	This sucks.
	Everyone gets it.
	And whatever we discuss, not necessarily our opinion, we just have to go through whatever we see and what we have.
	Yeah, it was terrible, and I will say this, the reporters that were on the scene, I've never seen this one guy in particular, was just about to cry, and he was shaky, he was doing a stand-up, and it was like, it was a horrible situation.
	One, there is an intelligence guy named Paul Buchanan, Who moved to New Zealand from the United States and he worked for one of the agencies.
	We don't know which.
	And he came on the show.
	Well, New Zealand is a part of Five Eyes.
	So there's spooks there.
	Yeah, he may be the spook working there now.
	But he was on the set.
	And he was pontificating like they expect Americans to do.
	And I do have three clips from this guy.
	And...
	They're pretty short.
	But let's play Massacre Paul Buchanan on TV3. The vitriol, the hatred, and in this particular instance, the Islamophobia that comes through in these blogs, and they're not censored, they're not even monitored as far as I can tell, and they're allowed to get away with it, and then you get that PAC mentality going.
	On the fringes of the PAC are people like this.
	Now, the fact that he has a semi-automatic...
	Oops, they're talking about 8chan and that kind of stuff?
	So they're talking about this fringe?
	I don't know.
	He's talking in general about the unmonitored blogging.
	Oh, okay.
	In advance of this, I'm going to tell you the three themes that I'm going to have some clips that back up.
	One, they seem to be emphasizing there's nutballs online and they should be stopped.
	The other one is that this was terrorism instead of an act of, you know, insanity.
	It was terrorism and it needs to be defined as such.
	Okay.
	And so that came up and that came up over and over again.
	And then there was a lot less about the guns, you know, gun control, because they already have pretty unbelievable gun control there, which is ironic.
	Anyway, there was the getting away with blogging, blogging without a license is the way I'm looking at it.
	And then the last one was that this was very comparable to 9-11.
	Okay.
	Okay, we're back to Paul Buchanan.
	Let's skip the rest of that one and go to Buchanan 2.
	Paul Buchanan is our guest at the moment on a special edition of the project as we try and piece together what happened today and what the future looks like.
	Paul, how about that issue that Carnot raised?
	Why isn't the T word being used, the terrorism word?
	Well, it's absolutely an act of terrorism, and anyone who would say otherwise clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.
	Um...
	This was done to intimidate the Muslim community.
	In fact, again, I'll go back to this guy's manifesto.
	He says he wrote this prior to committing this act.
	So he outlines why he's doing it.
	He says he's gonna get the foreign invaders out.
	He's gonna put fear into their hearts.
	He's gonna avenge all the European deaths at the hands of Muslims.
	This was a political act, a political act of violence.
	There is no way you cannot say it was terrorism.
	And if you say, oh, he was mentally ill and that, well, one might argue that every act of terrorism is an act of madness.
	But the point here, it was very political in nature.
	And so by any definition, narrow or broad, this was a terrorist act.
	And again, it's a watershed moment in our history.
	Because it dwarfs anything that has happened to New Zealand in the past.
	You said New Zealand is now infected.
	Well, we're infected with this virus of confrontational to the point of homicidal.
	I like that.
	All right.
	Do you think this was not a terrorist attack?
	I have.
	Yeah, I don't think it was a terrorist attack.
	I want to read from his manifesto, which surprised me that the journalist cites the document.
	And by the way, there's a big difference between a manifesto like Ted Kaczynski and this, but I have other things to say about it.
	About a third of this document reads like an Ask Me Anything on Reddit.
	After it's done, so you have the question and then the answer.
	Or you could say it looks like an interview.
	So questions are asked and highlighted in bold.
	Question, do you consider this a terrorist attack?
	His answer, by the definition, then yes, it is a terrorist attack.
	But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force.
	Just interesting that the journalists there didn't mention what his actual words were.
	Yeah, that manifesto is really a dog.
	Alright, let's go to...
	I'm sorry, what do you mean by a dog?
	Well, there's a lot of cut and paste in there that other people have pointed out.
	Okay, we'll talk about it in a minute.
	You do your clips because I'm going to have to disagree.
	You don't think there's any cut and paste in there?
	Every document is cut and paste.
	No, I know, but I mean...
	No, no, it's not like the compendium of Anders Breivik.
	That was cut and paste.
	This is written...
	Massacre Paul III. This is the other one.
	Intelligence and defense policy analyst, you've had some big days, and I asked you just before we went on air, I said, have you had a big day, and you made a chilling parallel.
	Yes, this is in terms of what happened as of 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
	The only thing that I can compare it to is 9-11.
	Oh, yeah.
	Not in scale of destruction, but in scale of how it's spreading and being reported and hopefully changing, or with hopes of changing minds and thinking.
	Yeah, I think it is equal to that on a media level, but not anywhere near destruction.
	And then we have the, this is the continuation, this is actually a pre, should have been a clip before his comments about terrorism, but here's Massacre TV3 terrorism.
	Also, a sentiment that's been expressed by many in the Muslim community, why are we not calling this an act of terror?
	So we will return to you very soon.
	Oh, that's again, why are we not calling it an act of terrorism?
	I think it's easy to do that.
	Why is this important?
	Because it sets...
	Gosh, it's a whole different ballgame when it's terrorism versus domestic violence or mentally ill.
	I think you can go after a group of people with similar ideology.
	Well, yeah, I think you can maybe.
	I think they're shoehorning this in there.
	Here's the way I've been looking at.
	This guy was nuts.
	And he has all the elements of a guy who's nuts.
	And he...
	He does this.
	He's apparently a Reddit guy and this is like part of some new thing that people are doing called shitposting.
	Well, that's not exactly...
	Go to the No Agenda Reddit.
	That's what they...
	They call themselves shitposters.
	Well, it's because they are.
	But this whole thing is like...
	It's almost like real LARPing with a purpose.
	I'd say 4HN is a part of that.
	I would think that terrorism is...
	To me, terrorism is a scheme.
	And it's not a...
	You know, you could say anything's terrorism if you...
	You know, you could lift up somebody's skirt walking down the street and then scream at someone.
	That's kind of terrifying.
	Everything could be terrorism if you're going to loosen the definition to an extreme.
	But the insistence that it's terrorism, to me, looks as if there's a reason for it.
	Why do we have to call this terrorism?
	Why can't we call it one nutball?
	Why didn't we call some of the school shootings terrorism?
	Was it terrorism per se, or is it just a lone screwball?
	The guy walked into the Aurora Theater and shot it up.
	Is that terrorism?
	We could call it terrorism if you were insisting on it, but is it terrorism?
	There's insistence that they call it terrorism.
	There's something behind it.
	Well, let's look at, and this has nothing to do with New Zealand, but we can look at Title 22, Chapter 38 of the United States Code.
	Terrorism is defined as premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against non-combatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.
	Okay, so those last two words that...
	Subnational groups are clandestine agents?
	Yeah, that negate this being terrorism.
	This guy's not a clandestine agent of anybody.
	And he's not some...
	Unless you're calling him an agent of Australia...
	He's calling himself...
	He can call himself whatever he wants.
	Would you say he's a member of a subnational group?
	No.
	Of white nationalists?
	No.
	That's not a subnational group?
	Name the group.
	A white nationalist.
	That is not a group.
	That's just the definition.
	That's a vagary.
	That's not a group.
	So if they had a name, like Proud Boys...
	Not that they are, but I'm just throwing something out there.
	That is a named group, then it could be a subnational group?
	I think it's closer.
	Okay, alright.
	I'm just saying, the way I'm looking at this, that they're trying to shoehorn this terrorism idea.
	He did call himself an eco-fascist.
	Consistently.
	Consistently.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Well, why?
	Why is a different question.
	The guy is like, he's screwed.
	This guy is insane.
	Yeah, I don't think this guy is...
	He's mocking everything, including his own manifesto.
	It's just like a, it's just, it's a nonsense document.
	No, I have a different opinion.
	The terrorism thing is a nonsense.
	Okay.
	I mean, they're trying to make it into a terrorist thing.
	I can understand the Muslims thinking that we should do that because you're always blaming us.
	As a group, you always blame Muslims as a group of being a bunch of terrorists.
	If you walk around with a hajiban or anything, or a hat, you're a terrorist Muslim.
	And so I can see why they're trying to make it look like, well, no, you guys are the worst terrorists than we are.
	I think it's nonsense.
	I think the whole thing was an insane incident by some screwball.
	And that's as far as I can take it.
	Okay.
	So I read the document multiple times, marked it up, and have put it in the show notes, as I usually do.
	I think that this...
	I agree with you.
	I don't think this is necessarily...
	This guy is the least interesting part of the story to me.
	The document is interesting to me.
	And it's not just a cut and paste job.
	And I really read through this and I really scoured it.
	And immediately it reminded me of the Brevik, Anders Brevik, who murdered, what was it, like 80 people in Norway?
	I saw it long ago and I've forgotten it.
	I don't think it was that many, but it was a lot.
	Maybe it was 60.
	They were on an island they couldn't get off.
	Yeah, but who they were was important, because Breivik's compendium, which is a definition of a cut-and-paste job, his compendium specifically stated that he wanted to stop the next generation of left-wing,
	he may have even said socialist politicians and these were young kids of whatever the political party was who were on a retreat and he wanted to stop them so that he would therefore stop the immigration of brown people into his white country.
	And all of the stuff that he brought up there with the stopping the Ottoman Empire was it 1683 in Vienna.
	The Crusades?
	All of this was about the Ottoman Empire invading us and how could our politicians sell us out?
	I'm speaking on his behalf.
	How could our politicians sell us out to allow the Ottoman Empire to still come in and invade our country?
	Which...
	He's always described as white supremacist, which I don't think Breivik was.
	White nationalist, yes.
	And it's the same for this guy.
	Now, it has a beginning, a middle, and an end, this document.
	And he starts with some scribe, which is not that important.
	But his introduction, it's the birthrights.
	And he says that over and over again.
	If there's one thing I want you to remember from these writings, it's that the birthrights must change.
	Even if we were to deport all non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death.
	And we know that this is a general theme.
	The reason why I find this interesting to me personally to dive into is when I moved back to the Netherlands at the end of 99, it was a different country, and the problem that people were talking about was Muslim immigrants, and specifically at the time, Moroccans.
	And there was Pim Fortan, he was the politician who was saying we have to stop Islamification, we have to stop...
	He may have used the invader term, I don't remember that specifically.
	But he was on the path to win the Dutch political elections with his party.
	He would become the prime minister.
	His party won posthumously, but two weeks before, he was assassinated.
	So I saw this, and I saw people like Taxi Eric.
	Now, he's not a guy who's going to go grab a gun and go kill Muslims, but there is definitely a feeling amongst white Europeans that they're being invaded.
	And I'm just using that term loosely.
	So it's not a made-up problem.
	Mass immigration and higher fertility rates of the immigrants themselves are causing this increase in the population.
	We are experiencing an invasion on a level never seen before in history.
	millions of people pouring across our borders legally, invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the white people who have failed to reproduce failed to create the cheap labor and new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to thrive the title of his document, again is The Great Replacement, and it's on Wikipedia, as a conspiracy theory, of course um
	The Great Replacement, Le Grand Replacement, en français, is a right-wing conspiracy theory, of course, which states that the...
	This is Wikipedia, so take the right wing with whatever grain of salt you want.
	Which states that the white Catholic French population and the white Christian European population at large is being systematically replaced with non-European people.
	And he goes into the story of his travels and how he traveled around France and how he saw that this indeed was taken.
	Now, we don't see this because we'll see something going on in Paris and we'll hear something and we hear about no-go zones.
	But I think you will agree with me that there is a huge Muslim population throughout all of France.
	They have large pockets like in La Défense.
	Lyon, it's all over.
	In Lyon, yes, there's a big pocket there.
	It's interesting because the French kind of...
	Meanwhile, of course, the French are having these riots now that have gone completely out of control.
	Nobody wants to report on that.
	You can't switch topics on me like that.
	No.
	There may be some connection.
	So he says, well, he traveled, and he actually explains how he came to this conclusion.
	But he says, we must crush immigration and deport those invaders already living on our soil.
	It is not just a matter of our prosperity, but the very survival of our people.
	And then he goes into this Ask Me Anything, where it's under the heading Answering Possible Questions in General, Who Are You?, Ordinary white man, 28 years old, born in Australia into a working class, low-income family.
	My parents served Scottish, Irish, and English stock.
	I had a regular childhood without any great issues.
	I had little interest in education during my schooling, barely achieving a passing grade, which was a big red flag for me because this document is not just by some moron who barely achieved a passing grade.
	There's a lot of...
	There's memes in here and things that are meant to go viral which are even explained in it.
	More recently, I've been working part-time as a kebab removalist.
	They're very funny.
	I'm just a regular white man from a regular family who decided to take a stand to ensure a future for my family.
	And then there are five steps that he hopes to achieve.
	And the first one, he says, I want to take revenge for the thousands of European lives lost to terror attacks throughout Europe.
	He even says, actually...
	And it's a little difficult for us older guys to understand, but he says, I was traveling as a tourist in Western Europe, France, Spain, and Portugal, and others.
	The first event that begun to change for him, when he changed his thinking about invaders, he says, was the terror attack in Stockholm on the 7th of April, 2017.
	It was yet another terror attack in the seemingly never-ending attacks that had occurred on a regular basis throughout my adult life.
	We forget that the first terror attacks, 2001, the guy wasn't even 10 years old, and then he's just seen one after another after another after another.
	I look at Bataclan, look at Charlie Hebdo.
	It's not like this doesn't affect young people.
	This guy is relatively young.
	You and I have children in this age bracket.
	So when he says, I've grown up seeing this, I decide to take a stand, I'm not saying it's great, but I get it.
	Something that hasn't been a part of my life for as long as I can remember.
	Cynicism in the face of attacks of the West by Islamic invaders was suddenly no longer there.
	I could no longer bring the sneer to my face.
	I could no longer turn my back on the violence.
	Something this time was different.
	That difference was Abba Ackerlund.
	And this is one of the sisters who was mowed down by the stolen van on the shopping promenade.
	So he has a lot of reasoning behind...
	I'm just skipping around.
	A lot of reasoning behind why he's doing this.
	So here's what he wants to happen.
	First, I'm doing this to take revenge for the thousands of European lives lost to terror attacks throughout European lands.
	To take revenge for Ebba Ackerland and to directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the invaders themselves.
	So he's saying it right there.
	I want to intimidate, which I think is terrorism.
	Intimidation is not terrorism.
	Okay, I'm not going to...
	That's fine.
	It doesn't matter to me.
	It doesn't.
	To agitate the political enemies of my people into action to cause them to overextend their own hand and experience the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result.
	I think that step one has already taken place.
	And it's actually witnessed...
	Here, in this montage, they immediately are overstepping the media, immediately overstepping their bounds, and blaming it on Trump.
	And just so we're very clear what he said about Trump, it was in this question and answer section.
	It's all about the context.
	And if you look at a couple questions before, hold on.
	Here's, um, are you a homophobe?
	No, I simply do not call to care, I simply do not care at all that much what gay people do, as long as they are loyal to their people and place their peoples first, then I have no issues.
	Are you right-wing?
	Depending on the definition, sure.
	Are you left-wing?
	Depending on the definition, sure.
	Are you a socialist?
	Depending on the definition, worker ownership of the means of production depends on who those workers are.
	Are you a supporter of Donald Trump?
	As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose?
	Sure.
	As a policy maker and a leader?
	Dear God, no.
	Are you a supporter of Brexit?
	So it's in a list of questions.
	It's not exactly the way it's being portrayed as, Oh, he mentioned Trump!
	Yeah!
	Symbol of renewed white identity!
	You asked for God to change people's hearts.
	Yeah.
	I have a question for you.
	Does God need to change people's language?
	President Trump, whether intentionally or I think in a lot of cases even inadvertently, has provided a lot of fodder for people like this.
	Words do have consequences and we know that At the very pinnacle of power in our own country.
	You mean the president talking about it?
	I mean, I know it's hard to even call this out.
	I've heard this from a guest this morning.
	This shooter, according to these reports, specifically invoked our president as an inspiration.
	You asked Matthew earlier about, is there someone out there tonight who's going to hear Trump's rhetoric and act on it?
	We know that lots of far-right attackers have claimed to be Trump supporters in recent months.
	And there's There's an intolerance that's being spread in this country, in this world, and it comes from the political dialogue, let's be clear, it comes from political leaders.
	Words have consequences, like saying we have an invasion on our border.
	The language he uses in this manifesto is all about invaders.
	It's also language that President Trump used in a campaign ad before the midterm election.
	Why they're seeing inspiration from our own president, John, is you have a president who, when he was a candidate, talked about banning Muslims from entering this country.
	So this is a president who has given plenty of rhetorical ammunition, I think, to terrorists like this.
	We need to be mindful in our own rhetoric and in our own actions, how we're pushing it.
	Maybe we need to hear a little less from the president in terms of his rather incendiary, inflammatory rhetoric on racial or ethnic matters.
	I know earlier the president tweeted out a message of sympathy to the victims, but the president of the United States needs to go further.
	So, disgustingly, the M5M took this and made it into a screw Trump, it's all his fault.
	The worst line in there was, he said, I think it was Brzezinski, I don't know who said this, that the shooter...
	You said Trump was his inspiration.
	Yes.
	I heard a lot of these types.
	There was absolutely zero evidence of that.
	No, zero.
	But when people would read the portion of the two lines about Trump, they would always omit the context of it.
	And it also meant the second part.
	Yes, the whole second part.
	No, the guy's a disaster.
	Yes.
	So the guy's talking, this shooter is talking about these three steps.
	The first one is, you know, make everyone go crazy and overextend.
	Step two, to incite violence, retaliation, and further divide between the European people and the invaders currently occupying European soil.
	Yeah, I think that's going to work.
	Again, he doubles down on to agitate the political enemies of my people into action to overextend their own hand and experience the eventual backlash.
	And then step three, I believe, this may already have happened, he's very specific about this, to add momentum to the pendulum swings of history, further destabilizing and polarizing Western society in order to eventually destroy the current nihilistic, hedonistic, individualistic insanity that is taking control of Western thought.
	This is not some dumb line that someone wrote, John.
	I don't know if he wrote it.
	Don't know.
	I doubt you wrote half of that, but...
	Step going.
	I'm not going to argue about your deconstruction.
	Step four.
	Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political, and racial divide within the United States.
	This conflict over the Second Amendment and the attempted removal of firearms...
	Firearms rights will ultimately result in civil war that will eventually balkanize the U.S. along political, cultural, and most importantly, racial lines.
	And he feels this is good because the balkanization of the U.S. will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States, ensuring the future of the white race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the melting pot pipe dream.
	U.S. involvement in Kosovo shall never occur again, where U.S. NATO forces fought side-by-side with Muslims and slaughtered Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe.
	I wasn't really there when this happened in the 90s.
	Neither you or I can understand how people feel about that.
	But clearly, someone feels something about it.
	What do you ultimately want?
	He asks me anything.
	We must ensure the existence of our people and a future for white children.
	There's no supremacy, like people are less or whatever.
	He just calls them invaders.
	I'll go down.
	Let me see if there's anything else interesting.
	Why won't anyone do anything?
	Are you part of any political groups?
	I'm not a direct member.
	Of any organization or group, though I have donated to many nationalist groups and have interacted with many more.
	Did the groups you support or aligned with order or promote your attack?
	No.
	No group ordered my attack.
	I made the decision myself, though I did contact the reborn Knights Templar for a blessing in support of the attack, which was Gevin.
	And I believe that is the Anders Breivik guy.
	Did you carry out the attack for fame?
	These are all really good things that the media could report on and maybe should be looked at in schools.
	I don't know.
	Did you carry out the attack for fame?
	No.
	Carrying out an attack for fame would be laughable.
	After all, who can remember the name of the attackers in the September 11th attack in New York?
	How about the attack on the Pentagon?
	The attackers in the plane that crashed into the field the same day.
	I will be forgotten quickly.
	He's got a point there.
	Why did you choose Christchurch?
	And this time, the best time to attack was yesterday.
	The next best time is today.
	Oh, great.
	These little nuggets he throws in there.
	By the way, we got a note from...
	We have a lot of producers and some knights in New Zealand.
	Here's a note from producer Tristan.
	New Zealand is pretty tolerant...
	Pretty tolerant place, but has always had an undercurrent of racial tension.
	It's a colony, and it's the one binding fact of all post-colonial countries.
	They're built on racial inequality.
	It's inherent in the modern fabric of the country due to its foundation.
	See the film Once We're Warriors for New Zealand, and see the film The Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith for Australia.
	The thing with New Zealand is that it always perceives itself as better than Australia with regards to race relations, but perception is just that.
	I didn't grow up in New Zealand, but in Australia, so I have an outsider's view of New Zealand.
	Historically, Christchurch has always been a hotbed of white supremacy in New Zealand, with skinhead gangs and hate groups.
	It's New Zealand's ground zero for that type of thing and has been for decades.
	I didn't hear that from anybody.
	I didn't hear from TV3 either.
	That's all I heard, because they interviewed the mayor, and they had everybody that was on, all the hosts of these news shows.
	They were just...
	Going on and on and on and on about how tolerant the New Zealanders are, much more so than pretty much anyone else in the world.
	Of course.
	And multiculturalism lives, and diversity is the most important thing in our lives.
	Yeah, meanwhile, there are people there who also have a problem with what they think are invaders, regardless of the realities of what they think.
	Why did you choose New Zealand as a place to attack?
	Well, New Zealand was not my original choice for the attack.
	I only arrived to New Zealand to live temporarily whilst I planned and trained, but I soon planned and trained.
	But I soon found out that New Zealand was as target-rich of an environment as anywhere else in the West.
	Secondly, an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization.
	That nowhere in the world was safe.
	The invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world, and there was nowhere left to go that was safe and free from mass immigration.
	You see, beginning to get a little view of what was going on inside the person who wrote this manifesto's head.
	So he went through the terrorist attack.
	Now, do you personally hate Muslims?
	A Muslim man or woman living in their homelands?
	No.
	A Muslim man or woman choosing to invade our lands, live on our soil, and replace our people?
	Yes, I dislike them.
	The only Muslim I truly hate is the convert, those from our own people that turn their backs on their heritage, turn their backs on their cultures, turn their back on their traditions, and become blood traitors to their own race.
	These I hate.
	Do you personally hate foreigners or other cultures?
	No.
	I spent many years traveling through many, many nations.
	Everywhere I traveled, barring a few small exceptions, I was treated wonderfully, often as a guest, even as a friend.
	The varied cultures of the world greeted me with warmth and compassion.
	I very much enjoyed nearly every moment I spent with them.
	Did you commit...
	No, wait.
	So is it racist?
	It's worth reading.
	I'm not going to read every single bit of it, but it's all marked up.
	Were there other targets planned in your attack?
	Many.
	One thing that can be said about the current state of the West is that we live in a target-rich environment.
	Traitors and enemies abound.
	And then, you know, are you a xenophobe?
	No.
	No culture scares me.
	Are you an Islamophobe?
	No.
	Are you a white nationalist?
	Yes, predominantly an ethno-nationalist.
	I place importance on the health and well-being of my race above all else.
	Are you a Nazi?
	No, actual Nazis do not exist.
	They haven't been a political or social force in the world for more than 60 years.
	Are you an anti-Semite?
	No.
	A Jew living in Israel is no enemy of mine so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people.
	Are you conservative?
	No.
	Conservatism is corporatism in disguise.
	I want no part of it.
	Now here's an interesting, seems kind of odd until you look into some of the documentation.
	Are you a fascist?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	For once, the person that will be called a fascist is an actual fascist.
	I am sure journalists will love that.
	No, because they won't report it.
	I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley's views and consider myself an eco-fascist by nature.
	The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People's Republic of China.
	I'm not quite sure how that fits in, but it's worth mentioning!
	Well, it's all worth mentioning, but you don't think this guy, that this thing's a little sketchy, this whole manifesto with stuff like that?
	Yes, this guy is irrelevant.
	I don't think he wrote this.
	Let's just look at the situation.
	I don't think he wrote it either.
	It was chosen at a very specific country for specific reasons.
	I'm looking at what happened in the document, not this guy.
	And I'm not calling it a false flag because it's a very sophisticated operation.
	The weapons where he has all this writing on them and it's heroes and it's the dates of holding back the Ottoman Empire.
	That was meant to be found.
	It was meant to show this so people maybe start researching it or thinking about it.
	It's very obvious.
	This is a mind bomb.
	It's to get people to look at stuff.
	That's a possibility.
	I want to mention something else.
	Just about the video for a second.
	This was very well done.
	First person shooter view with, I don't know if it was a helmet GoPro or one on his chest.
	I mean, but it was the angle, everything was just like a video game.
	I've spoken to kids who have seen it, kids in the 20s who have seen it.
	Actually, kind of underwhelming because it's not as, it doesn't look as violent.
	As a video game does often.
	And the sound, you know, microphones can't capture the sound of a weapon like that going off.
	It just doesn't sound the same as in real life.
	So it sounds kind of phony.
	But the way that was done, I would say, was very, very smart and meant to get the attention of young people.
	I would like to know, well...
	A couple of things.
	One, we on this show predicted that this streaming on Facebook would end up with something bad.
	In fact, there was a...
	I got some NPR clips about this too.
	And they have all kinds of...
	Online terrorism experts who work at NPR and NBC. I guess they're experts.
	But let's talk about this streaming.
	Yeah, what are we going to do?
	Katie Maceres is a cybersecurity expert, and she says...
	She's a security expert, sorry.
	Perhaps we should consider the possibility that not everyone should be able to livestream.
	It's not a bad idea to potentially have only specific verified accounts allowed to post, and if...
	Something that they post that is live-streamed does contain violence or hate speech, that that privilege goes away.
	But she understands that's going to cause a lot of controversy.
	I mean, can you imagine if Facebook and Twitter and Periscope say, all right, you have to be verified now in order to be able to stream.
	About who is allowed freedom of speech.
	Look, here's the thing about free speech and free expression.
	It's a messy proposition, and there's always going to be abuse.
	Al Tompkins is a senior faculty at the Poynter Institute.
	He teaches ethics.
	It's true offline.
	It's true online.
	And if you intend to give people the ability to communicate freely with each other, it's going to be messy.
	And some people are going to abuse it, but most people won't.
	Twitter and YouTube have both condemned the attacks and said they are working to bring down any video of the shooting.
	Facebook said in a statement it moved quickly to take down the shooter's Facebook and Instagram accounts and the video.
	It also said it is, quote, removing any praise or support for the crime and the shooter or shooters.
	Now...
	Well, wait, stop.
	What she said at the end there, shooter or shooters, I want to mention this.
	Mm-hmm.
	Just so we can get it out of the way.
	When the reports first started coming in, there were four people involved in these shootings.
	And it was at two different mosques.
	And those two mosques weren't very close to each other.
	That one guy reported off the street saying this guy's driving around shooting randomly at any Muslims he saw, which I thought was a little nuts.
	And then he went to the one mosque and shot most of the people.
	Then he went to another mosque and shot a bunch of people.
	Then over time, and it was supposed to be two guys, one hitting the two mosques simultaneously with two partners.
	And they, in fact, did arrest three men and one woman who were somehow involved.
	And that's all gone by the wayside. - In his document, he speaks specifically about the three mosques he is going to target.
	He says, I'm going to do the first one, then go to the second one, and if I have time, if I can get away with it, I'm going to go to a third one.
	And that is all spelled out in the document.
	I have never really gone in depth on 4chan and 8chan.
	It's beyond me.
	It's above me.
	I'm too old.
	I'm what these people would consider a normie, maybe a hyper-normie, because I can kind of fathom what's going on there.
	But a lot of massive memes, things that become part of our lexicon, come from these groups.
	And to me, it's very much like Matrix-y, underground-type groups.
	And they lead a different live and they get off on having the media being influenced by what they do.
	So this little section here, where did you receive research or develop your beliefs?
	He says, the internet, of course.
	You will not find the truth anywhere else.
	That's a 4chan, 8chan, sarcastic joke, and all of this is in there.
	So, right after another.
	Were you taught violence, extremism, and extremism by video games, music, literature, and cinema?
	And he says, yes!
	Spyro the dragon taught me ethno-nationalism.
	Fortnite trained me to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies.
	Uh, no.
	And then finally, and this is how I believe you should read this, is there a particular person that radicalized you the most?
	Yes.
	The person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens.
	Each time she spoke, I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped me push further and further into the belief of violence over meekness.
	Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes.
	And anyone asking why, it's like, it's the part of the same sarcastic joke.
	It's sarcastic material.
	Candace Owens is never...
	It's 8chan material.
	It's 8chan material.
	Then here, the final step, which I think is the final step of his plan.
	Why do you believe you will be released from prison?
	I do not expect to be just released.
	I also expect an eventual Nobel Peace Prize, as was awarded to the terrorist Nelson Mandela once his own people achieved victory and took power.
	I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number of years as Mandela for the same crime.
	There's something to be said for it.
	Not the way he did it, but Mandela was involved in some stuff.
	Wasn't that why they threw him in jail?
	It was, yeah, it was one of the reasons they threw him in jail.
	Are you a fed slash shill slash Mossad agent slash false flag slash patsy slash infiltrator slash antifa slash glow in the dark, etc.?
	No.
	But the next person to attack could be.
	So a healthy skepticism is a good thing.
	Just do not allow your skepticism to turn to paranoia and keep you from supporting those that want the best for you.
	And I found this...
	Is this your complete writings and views?
	Unfortunately not.
	There was a much larger work written, roughly 240 pages.
	This one is about 80.
	Um...
	That spoke on many issues and went into much depth, but in a moment of unbridled self-criticism, I deleted the entire work and started again two weeks before the attack itself.
	I was left with a short period of time to create a new work and only leave my views half finished.
	I will let my actions speak for themselves.
	Now, I don't know why that's in there, but you don't delete anything, even off of a hard drive, so if they can retrieve anything, it'd be interesting to see what the...
	He doesn't do anything.
	It's full of shit, this guy.
	And then there's, again, this guy himself who's in jail I don't think is important.
	It's part of a culture that we really don't know anything about.
	And yeah, I think he's obviously nuts, but there are people behind him who wrote this.
	And again, it's not a false flag.
	It's a real operation.
	Well, false flags are real operations.
	Right, but it's not like a country who said, oh, let's do this, or let's do this.
	It's not the government.
	It's not the government doing this to get rid of guns.
	I think it has a problem with our show, and I think the way people look at these things.
	There's differences between false flags, real operations, real operations that are false flags, and hoaxes.
	Where nothing happens and it's all bull crap, which we've identified a few of those over time.
	But this definitely was not that.
	No.
	And then he has notes to different groups of people.
	He says to conservatives, ask yourself truly what has modern conservatism managed to conserve?
	He says the natural environment, Western culture, ethnic autonomy, religion, the nation, the race, nothing is conserved.
	The natural environment is industrialized, pulverized, and commoditized.
	He so hates conservatives.
	And then to Christians, he posts two passages from the Bible, which I don't recognize and are not marked, so I don't know where they're from.
	To Antifa, Marxists, and communists, I do not want to convert you.
	I do not want to come to an understanding.
	Egalitarians and those that believe in hierarchy will never come to terms.
	I don't want you by my side, and I don't want you to share power.
	I want you in my sights.
	I want your neck under my boot.
	See you on the streets, you anti-white scum.
	Then to Turks, and he's very specific about, and this comes right back to Constantinople, which is today's modern Istanbul.
	Turks, you can live in peace in your own lands and may no harm come to you.
	On the east side of the Bosporus, which is the traditional divide, where we have the devout Islamists, and then it used to be secular on the western side, he goes on to say, if you attempt to live in the European lands anywhere west of the Bosporus, the Bosporus, We will kill you and drive you roaches from our lands.
	We are coming for Constantinople.
	We will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city.
	The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets, and Constantinople will be rightfully Christian-owned once more.
	This is the...
	At one point was the largest...
	I think it was the cathedral, the Hagia Sophia...
	Which was a Christian run, and then it became a mosque.
	And so I guess that's an important symbol for guys like this.
	And who is truly to blame?
	The people who are to blame most are ourselves.
	European men, strong men, do not get ethnically replaced.
	Strong men do not allow their culture to degrade.
	Strong men do not allow their people to die.
	Weak men have created this situation, and strong men are needed to fix it.
	And then he has a whole list about Wikipedia links of European women invaders, the rape of European women invaders.
	And it's more than just Rotherham.
	If you look at the list, it's got Rotherham, Aylesbury, Banbury, Bristol, Derby, Halifax, Huddersfield, Cayley, Newcastle, Rochdale, Oxford, Peterborough.
	This is the stuff that Tommy Davidson went to jail for, for talking about this.
	This is all mainly British places.
	Then we have Ashfield, Sydney, Finland.
	So this is not a cut and paste.
	He's showing all the different places where this is happening.
	He talks about the radicalization of Western man, about the pedophile rings, the failure of assimilation.
	Green nationalism, he says, is the only true nationalism.
	There is no green future with never-ending population growth.
	The ideal green world cannot exist in a world of 100 billion, 50 billion, or even 10 billion people.
	Continued immigration into Europe is environmental warfare and ultimately destructive to nature itself.
	So interesting alignment with the greenies there.
	And then he does call for the death of certain people, which has also not been mentioned.
	And I think, you know, it's in the document.
	And he says, look, you can do TATP packages strapped to drones, in motorcycle saddlebags, you can convoy ambush ramings.
	Well, this is the reason they don't want people talking about the document, perhaps, that particular issue.
	I don't even think they read this far.
	I don't think they ever even saw it.
	No.
	Well, if it's our media, that's for sure.
	Well, let's see who needs to die.
	Merkel, the mother of all things anti-white, anti-Germanic, is top of the list, he says.
	Few have done more to damage and racially cleanse Europe of its people.
	Erdogan, the leader of the oldest enemies of our people and the leader of the largest Islamic group within Europe.
	He's very specific.
	This warlord must bleed his last while he visits his ethnic soldiers currently occupying Europe.
	His death will also drive a wedge between the Turk invaders currently occupying our lands and the ethnic European people while simultaneously weakening Turkey's hold on the region.
	Let's just read the list.
	I don't need all the details.
	Sadiq Khan, mayor of London.
	That's just the usual suspects.
	Yes.
	And then he says...
	We can leave it at this.
	The paradox of the diverse equality.
	The greatest joke of all is the quixotic foolishness of the diverse but equal society.
	I read that sentence and I think the use of the word quixotic by a guy like this is extremely unlikely.
	I don't even know what it means.
	Quixotic refers to Don Quixote and the shaking your fists at windmills.
	He may have gotten this from somewhere else, but he says, diversity by its very definition belies equality.
	No two different things can ever truly be equal, especially humans.
	There is no one person equal to any other, not identical twins, not countrymen, not workers within a class group, and certainly not those of different races.
	Every human is worth only their own value, no more or less.
	The more diverse a group becomes, the less equal it becomes.
	Diversity is anathema to equality.
	One cannot exist with the other.
	Which is true.
	I don't know whether that's true or not.
	Well, diversity and equality in people, I agree with that.
	It's philosophical.
	It could be argued every which way forever.
	Mm-hmm.
	I'm just not buying this guy.
	I mean, everything you read just doesn't sound like who this guy is.
	He's a high school dropout using the words like quixotic, and then he's philosophizing about diversity versus equality.
	I mean, this is stuff of very high-end intellectuals that sit around bitching...
	What am I saying?
	Discussing these topics.
	Yes.
	Using all kinds of...
	This thing is very...
	I think it's going to be shown that this guy didn't even travel around you.
	This guy...
	But again, John, I'll just repeat it.
	This guy is not...
	This document is not this guy.
	We agree on that.
	So whatever they...
	While everyone's focusing on this guy, this thinking is out there.
	This thinking is not him in a vacuum.
	This thinking is amongst people.
	Not the killing and the death, but the despair.
	No, I'm not going to argue.
	Obviously, this thinking is out there because somebody put that document together, whether it was him or whoever.
	Exactly.
	But it's not...
	Yeah, I think there's a lot of stuff in that document that is something to be concerned about.
	Yes, and especially when he starts using code.
	The tone of this document is all about the internet.
	He writes it in this sort of snarky adolescent style, and especially there's this lengthy self-interview he does, sort of imagining what the media might ask him.
	It's really self-important, but it's also full of all these winking references to internet memes.
	And it's very self-aware.
	At one point he even says that his racist project relies on, quote, edgy humor and memes in the vanguard stage in order to attract young people.
	Can you give us an example of that?
	Well, probably the one everyone's talking about is how when he was streaming live video during his attack, right at the start he says, subscribe to PewDiePie.
	Now that sounds bizarre to the average grown-up, but you need to understand that PewDiePie is this Swedish video game-playing YouTube star, and his crown as the most subscribed-to person on YouTube had been threatened by another YouTube account out of India.
	So for a lot of people, or some people, subscribe to PewDiePie is sort of internet code for supporting white Europeans.
	Well, I suppose you could make that interpretation.
	Well, but it doesn't really matter because the interpretation...
	That's NPR. This is the interpretation that's being made.
	So what I see happening is a meme-filled document which is meant to be cherry-picked from.
	It's set up that way.
	It's happening.
	And it's delighting people who...
	Have this similar invader belief.
	But when it's described on television as crazy white supremacists don't read the document, this should be discussed and explained in schools.
	Because it's very easy for these children, any child, to fall into this.
	And I consider anyone under 30 eligible for this kind of bull.
	Well, I am concerned about, and that is probably the fourth meme to come out of this, besides it's a 9-11, blogs should be monitored and blogs should be licensed, and it's terrorism, or why isn't it terrorism?
	I think the fourth meme coming out of this is this...
	Don't read the documents.
	Yeah, here's the online terrorism expert from NBC and he's on NPR. And of course he knows how, he really understands what's going on.
	It has nothing to do with the documents.
	It's Silicon Valley.
	Did you say recommendation algorithms?
	What exactly is that?
	Oh, sure.
	Sure, sure, sure, sure.
	There it is.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	Hey, sure.
	Yeah, sure.
	Sure, sure, sure, sure.
	Did you say recommendation algorithms?
	What exactly is that?
	Yeah.
	Oh, sure.
	So, say on YouTube, you know, you're looking at a YouTube video and there's a thing on the right sidebar.
	It auto-plays afterwards, right?
	It just gives you another video after the fact just to keep things moving, right?
	Right.
	A lot of extremism groups have gamed this system.
	As a way to try to get their outreach through YouTube and Facebook as well.
	And what they'll do is they'll take these ideas that will slowly sort of seep into your idea that maybe you should get more militants.
	Maybe it's not acceptable that, you know, that immigration is at highs in your country or something like that.
	And then they say eventually to act on it.
	This guy could have, I mean, obviously we don't know a lot at this point, but someone like this could be radicalized in that way if they were active on sites like that.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And we've seen this over and over again.
	We've seen this with the synagogue shooter in the United States as well, where he's in these spaces.
	This guy was on 8chan.
	That's where he posted his manifesto and the link to the live stream as well.
	That's how people sort of found it and started watching it in real time.
	8chan is a message board that's effectively an extremist message board.
	Extremely anti-immigrant, extremely racist, and completely anonymous unless you out yourself like this guy did.
	Once you're all the way down that path, it's really hard to turn back.
	And that's the other thing is that these companies really don't take the steps in time to get people who are not that dangerous to stop them from getting all this content in their system and drumming up fears within themselves and then eventually carrying out a racist terror attack.
	Okay, so what these morons don't understand is that places like 4chan and 8chan, they're not like companies necessarily, and it doesn't matter.
	You can take it down.
	You can take it all down.
	The internet is a network and can and will be utilized by anyone who wants to communicate.
	In fact, you're having an adverse effect by taking these places down and removing people from speech.
	And I already see in the troll room, like, oh, what idiot will read this and get radicalized?
	I think more than you would even dare imagine.
	It's, you know, it's really, it doesn't take much when You see the changes that young people up to 30 have witnessed in Europe.
	I can't speak for...
	The U.S. is different.
	We're an immigration country.
	This is what we are.
	It's who we are.
	The argument of people coming in illegally is different from we don't want people, which is what Trump is always accused of.
	It's not true.
	But in Europe, these are not traditional immigration countries.
	We had guest workers...
	In every country, and this is now, by many, perceived to be an invasion, living in some shitty-ass town in France or the Netherlands or Belgium or England, and then all of a sudden your entire street view changes is not to be taken lightly.
	And then you add some of this stuff and you add some historical stuff about the Vienna and the Ottoman Empire and the Crusades and the Knights Templar and it's not hard to get an imaginative young person to say, hey, wait a minute.
	And you take this document, it should be dissected, deconstructed, and spoken with about people in schools, because if not, they're going to interpret it in ways that will cause more violence.
	And so fuck you, media, for doing what you're doing.
	Blame it on Trump.
	That is the worst.
	That is exactly the wrong way to go, and it's kind of what this guy's hoping for.
	Or whoever wrote this group, I'll say it's a group who wrote this document.
	Yeah, well, blame it on Trump.
	Sadly.
	Well, there's a couple of things being blamed on Trump, but before we get to that, can we take a break?
	Well, I'm good.
	Let me thank you for your courage.
	Say in the morning to you, John C., the man who put the sea in compendium, Devorah!
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning to all the ships at the sea and all the feet in the water and the subs in the air and the dames and knights out there.
	Yes, in the morning to the troll room.
	That's noagendastream.com where you can listen to a pre-stream before we even start at 11 central time.
	Thursdays and Sundays, that's the other Thursday.
	And then we always do it live and we love seeing everyone there.
	You can help out.
	Pass off one-liners, your thoughts, your experience.
	Or just be a troll.
	That's why it is the troll room.
	Also, in the morning to CSB, who brought us the artwork for episode 1120, the title of that was Sure!
	And it was a great piece.
	It was 3.14 for Pi Day, mirrored in the font he chose, looks like Pi.
	P-I-E. 314, P-I-E. Coincidence?
	I think not.
	And we liked that a lot.
	And there were some other interesting pieces of art that we didn't go for.
	And I think this was just the one that jumped out the best.
	Remember, we have to shrink it down.
	It's not the size you send it at.
	It's usually about half that for most people who are viewing the artwork on little thumbnails.
	So it's important that it's large enough.
	The way it shows up on the art generator...
	Which is even bigger than in some instances, as opposed to full size.
	Yeah, exactly.
	If you look at it at the art generator, small size, and you can't read it and you can't see all these little details, although you can see them fine at full size, those are not going out at full size.
	They're going out at small sizes.
	Yeah, like 256.
	They have to be designed appropriately.
	Yeah.
	Yes, and most of the artists know this.
	Well, thank you very much, CSB. Apparently, they don't all know it.
	And you can check out all the artwork at noagendaartgenerator.com.
	And now, as we're running a little behind today, but now is the time for us to thank our executive and associate executive producers.
	Starting with Daniel Galloway.
	Who came with $406 from Marietta, Georgia.
	And he sent a note in, which is not much of a note.
	He's going to be knighted today.
	He's on the list.
	Okay.
	$406.
	Interesting amount.
	I wonder what that's about.
	His note is mostly just numbers.
	Okay.
	Numbers and numbers.
	Pages and pages of numbers.
	Does this turn out to be another happy prime?
	Just lots of numbers.
	Okay.
	The PayPal account is tied to Radix.
	I've been in the troll room for the last year or so as Radix023 and still don't look like a middle-aged lesbian, Adam.
	What?
	This is your bit.
	What is he saying?
	I don't know.
	It's a reference to you, so it must have been something you said.
	I don't know.
	Sorry.
	I have been in the troll room for the last year or so.
	It's Radix023, and I still don't look like a middle-aged lesbian, Adam.
	Wow.
	I don't know.
	I would like to claim the title of Sir Spud the Mighty.
	Do I look like a middle-aged lesbian?
	Maybe that's it.
	Okay, well, thanks, I think.
	Maybe that's what he's trying to tell you.
	Sir Nubbin, 33333, I would like to, I'd like jobs karma and goat karma as I recently was walked out the door at an Amazon job I had.
	Walked out the door.
	Yeah, do tell.
	Yeah, more details would be nice.
	Also, with this donation, I should now have a little change of baronet.
	This is a change of baronet.
	It means a change to baronet.
	I think, yes, he becomes a baronet today.
	Scott and Elizabeth.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	He needs his jobs and goat karma.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Got to give the man what he needs.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	Unceremoniously.
	That's not the goal.
	Karma.
	We need to know more about this.
	You put your stuff in this box.
	The guy with a gun.
	Could be.
	Elizabeth Littler in Nashville, Tennessee, 333.
	Today's 333 donation is in the name of my daughter, Elizabeth.
	I am committed to support this show at $5 an episode in the last...
	And the last $520 payment was on show 1056, QVision.
	That was a great episode of the best podcast in the universe.
	We hope for it's like today.
	The next time we donate at the end of July, Elizabeth will be coming into her damehood.
	Nice.
	In my honest opinion, Nashville, Murfreesboro is a hot spot for a Curry Dvorak meetup.
	Yes, we have discussed this.
	If I'm not mistaken, Adam was last there in 2009 with a Hot Pockets tour.
	I was tied up, taking care of this much younger Elizabeth that night, and I couldn't make it to the big show.
	Elizabeth would like the jingles.
	She's speaking for her.
	She would like the jingles.
	Don't raff.
	Why are you raffing?
	And shut up, slave.
	And I'll take a karma.
	Thank you for all you entertaining and informed twice weekly.
	Best regards.
	Scott and Elizabeth, and this is for Elizabeth for a day mode.
	Okay.
	Don't raff.
	Why are you raffing?
	Shut up.
	Shut up, slave.
	Shut up.
	You've got karma.
	Thomas Young, $333 in Branchburg, New Jersey.
	And he sent a note in, a very fancy note too.
	He runs Rum Jog Enterprises.
	I'm going to check.
	I believe it came from Rum Jog Enterprises.
	As promised, here's a check for Executive Producers Show 1121.
	I've been listening to your great show for six plus months.
	This is my first donation under the Value for Value model.
	I feel better knowing that I'll be de-douched.
	You got it.
	You've been de-douched.
	My company has two podcasts and the quality of the No Agenda Show production is an inspiration to us both in terms of content and quality of broadcast production.
	Hey!
	My sense is that you guys are going to have your hands full as the damn fells like feels like it's going to break soon and all hell will be breaking loose.
	Maybe time to put a little cue vision glasses on for a spell.
	Please give me a dedouching jingle along with you got that with a jobs karma goat scream.
	Also, if you have any special lucky leprechaun jingles for St. Patrick's Day, one could always use some luck.
	Thomas Young, managing partner, Rum Jog Enterprises.
	I wish I had a leprechaun.
	I don't have a leprechaun.
	I don't have anything leprechaun-y.
	Yeah, yeah, you didn't prepare for St.
	Patrick's Day.
	You hate the Irish.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yeah!
	I wish you wouldn't spread fake news like that, because people actually think I hate dogs.
	Everybody knows I'm joking.
	No, there are people who think I hate dogs.
	Excuse me?
	Yes.
	So he has these two podcasts, and one of them is called Pardon the Disruption Podcast, and the other one is Experience This Podcast.
	Oh.
	And it's about discussing emerging technologies, economy, all sorts of, you know, the usual stuff.
	The usual stuff, yes.
	The usual, yes.
	Okay.
	So, I will say this.
	I'm sorry that I use that as a running gag that you hate this and you hate that, but dogs...
	I don't hate dogs.
	I've had many dogs.
	You'll feel a lot better at dogs now that you've got your own house.
	And then one day, Tina's going to say, you know what would be great?
	A puppy.
	Okay.
	It's not going to happen.
	Maybe.
	You never know.
	It's already happened.
	No, it's not.
	Hey, stick to your note reading.
	Sir Walkman of Buckeye in Louisville, Louisville, Louisville, Louisville is what it is.
	31719 Ohio.
	ITM Gents, Jingle Q, Jill Abramson, Yoko Singing, and Stop the Hammering.
	Nice combo.
	These shows keep me sane from massive M5M anti-Trump messaging.
	No Agenda is one of the few outlets that explores the globalist agenda.
	F the UN, F the EU to all the slaves out there.
	Chip in!
	Or be a douchebag.
	Shout out to the troll room.
	If my accounting is correct, this donation should push my title up to Baron.
	I'd like to claim Ohio Territory.
	Okay, I think that's available.
	Well, we're going to give it to him, but it could be under dispute.
	You know, obviously, I read the New York Times, like, all day long, mainly on my iPad app.
	Stop the hammering.
	You've got karma.
	Tracy Bassano in Madison, Alabama, 317-19.
	This is the St.
	Patrick's Day donation, so we have two of these.
	Shout out to my smoking hot husband, John Bassano, engineer for Space Force!
	Space Force!
	A.K.A. NASA. Nice.
	D-douch him.
	Nice.
	You've been D-douched.
	Aaron Gobrog, please reserve a bottle of A-Solmic vinegar.
	Jingles, request...
	She's listening.
	That was, you know, still a good idea.
	And Mac and Cheese, Huntsville, Alabama.
	Great place for the meetup.
	India.
	Tango.
	Mike.
	Standby.
	33.
	Rubbleizer.
	Out.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	and cheap cheddar melted together.
	Mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese.
	Karma?
	No karma, Dan?
	Was there a request for it?
	I'll give it.
	I didn't see a request for karma.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	You've got karma.
	She's the one who recognizes my hilarious use of the word asalmic.
	Earl of Tennessee, Sir Patrick Coble is here with $317.19.
	He'll be our other lucky St.
	Patrick's Day donor.
	Earl of Tennessee, Patrick Coble, Sir Patrick, you can count You should be wearing green.
	This can count as my green, so I don't get pinched.
	Ah, that's right.
	You get pinched if you don't wear green.
	Travel and Jobs Karma, please.
	It was great to see so many at the Des Moines meetup.
	Sorry for missing the Austin meetup, but we had Pinewood Derby races that day.
	Thanks for everything you...
	I don't even know what that is.
	I do.
	Thanks for everything you do for our community.
	I'm going to keep trying to go to all of them as I can.
	He likes to go to meetups.
	He likes meetups.
	He came out to Sacramento.
	Mm-hmm.
	Maybe a Nashville one, maybe another one.
	Is there another Sacramento train meetup, huh, John?
	So I had a chat with Earl Patrick.
	Because I said, how's the Ducatis?
	And I sold it because now he's in the stock car racing.
	And I believe his son is in the Pinewood Derby.
	So I don't know if that's...
	Isn't that a motorcycle race?
	No, I think it's...
	Well, Ducati is a motorcycle.
	Yeah, no, but he gave that up.
	That's what I said.
	He had to give that up because he went to stock car racing or other types of...
	Oh, really?
	Well, then he could put a no agenda sticker...
	Yes.
	...on the side of the stock car.
	Yes.
	I'm pretty sure his vehicle has some no agenda stuff on it, but he'll have to send a picture.
	But the Pinewood Derby, isn't that the downhill race and little go-kart that you build yourself with your kid?
	I have no idea.
	I think so.
	I think so.
	That's a...
	That's...
	I don't know if that...
	No, the Pinewood...
	It's those little cars that you make it yourself.
	You whistle it out of hood.
	It's a soapbox derby race.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Soapbox.
	But it's not to sit in.
	I think it's just the little thing that's on the track.
	Your own little piece of pine.
	That's the Pinewood Derby.
	You're talking to somebody who doesn't know what you're talking about.
	Clearly.
	Okay.
	Yeah, clearly.
	I prefaced it with that.
	Ronald...
	Wait, he needs travel and jobs karma.
	Oh yeah, he needs his travel karma.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	You know, if you see COBOL, you should talk to him about penetration testing.
	Oh, believe me.
	He's one of the great experts on the field.
	Well, we all know I'm the penetration expert, but okay, if you want to call him the top in the field, it's fine.
	I'm talking about computers.
	Oh, yeah.
	We had a long chat about it.
	Ronald Sidereo, 31416.
	I've been a douchebag for four too long, just got my bonus, and I had to chip in the best podcast in the universe.
	I'm glad we got that meme going.
	Chip it in!
	Keep up the great work.
	I'm hopeful there will be a Florida meetup sometime in the future.
	Yeah, probably.
	That was one of your clips, and I can't remember what you titled it.
	For sure, it's not titled Laugh or Shapiro.
	Can you remember what you might have titled that one?
	Yeah.
	It was an ISO. Yeah, it's also not under ISO. I looked.
	Oh, it was an ISO, so it had to be under ISO. No, it's not under ISO. And it had to be within the last month.
	So can you look at your ISO list and date sort it and give me the last 10?
	Okay, here we go.
	Yes, let me go back to the beginning.
	Um, I Am Triggered?
	Uh, Judy...
	Oh, Ben Shapiro, Baby Hitler?
	No.
	That's not it.
	Uh...
	Amy, I saw...
	I mean, you just don't title these things.
	Well, Baby Hitler might be it.
	Play it.
	Hold on.
	Baby Hitler.
	Let's see.
	Would you kill Baby Hitler?
	And the truth is...
	No, that's not it.
	Apparently not.
	I'm triggered?
	No.
	I don't know, but it's...
	Whatever it is, you didn't title it.
	It's lost.
	It's lost in the finals.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	He shoots!
	He scores!
	And her head is gone.
	And a dedouching.
	And a karma.
	And a karma.
	You've got karma.
	That's not a bad sequence.
	I would like to request a redo.
	A redo.
	Okay.
	Two to the head.
	And her head is gone.
	And then the laugh.
	Okay.
	And her head is gone.
	I'm sick.
	You're sick, Dvorak.
	You're sick.
	It tells a story.
	It does.
	That's the way people should think about these things.
	Yes, it has a beginning, a middle, and an end.
	It's beautiful.
	Yeah, it's a little story.
	It is.
	In clips.
	It should be something.
	We need a word for a clip story.
	Baronet Sir American Carnage, $222.22.
	He'll be our first associate executive producer for show, 11-21.
	From Baronet Sir American Carnage, please keep me anonymous and look for information email from, I won't say his name.
	He says informative.
	Pretty funny, though.
	Informative email.
	You know, you can put the note in there.
	I will do a quick search.
	I have it.
	He said, informative email.
	Hey, John and Adam wanted to follow up on the note from the Zoomer Yang donor to offer some...
	This is about...
	What's the guy's name?
	This guy's first name, Yang, who's running for president?
	Yang.
	Ying is his first name.
	His name is Ying Yang?
	Stop.
	His name is not Ying Yang.
	What's his name?
	I can't remember.
	Bill.
	Bill Yang.
	Bill Yang.
	Andrew, I think Ying is more racist, though.
	I want to follow up on the note from the Zoomer Ying Yang donor.
	To offer some context for Yang support, you have to think in terms of what is called accelerationism.
	Yes, I like this.
	Which is a neo-reactionary concept popular with the Zoomers.
	I am a young millennial, but I interact with their...
	I read this note.
	This is a very good note.
	I am a young millennial, but I interact with their milieu a lot.
	The Yang support ignores immigration and climate change issues with the universal basic income because, as John mentioned, the nihilism has set in.
	So, before I continue, we had a discussion about the universal basic income and we both agreed that you cannot have open borders.
	You need a moat around the country if you're giving away free money for doing nothing.
	So he addresses here why Yang supports or ignores immigration and climate change because, as John mentioned, the nihilism is set in.
	Accelerationism basically posits that America is headed toward doom, so the best thing to do politically is bring it down as fast as possible and grab what bags of money you can in the process.
	Thus Yang appeals to the bleak, caustic, jaded Zoomer outlook of those who aren't hyper-progressive.
	It's equal parts meme, legitimate despair, shitposting, and anger at Trump's failure to act on his campaign promises.
	In order, one, the country is doomed.
	Two, the rules don't matter.
	Three, we might as well get that money.
	This is a common refrain.
	Sorry if this is overly long, but I think it's valuable Zoomer and Yang context, NJNK. I appreciate this story, but also the term accelerationism is fantastic.
	Accelerationism is what this douche in New Zealand basically did.
	I would say that's true, and I will point out that accelerationism, if we're going to use the term, would account for the dominionists during the George Bush administration wanting to create a chaos in the Middle East to the point where it would cause the rapture.
	Ah, right, so that's, yes!
	You're so right!
	The dominionists, can we just call them kooky religious nuts?
	Well, we probably have a lot of dominionists that listen to the show.
	Really?
	Mostly to go, oh, if they only knew half the story.
	Is this like Latter-day Saints?
	Only then...
	Nothing like that.
	No, they're...
	Christian fundamentalists that believe that the end times are near.
	And they preach around that belief.
	That the end times are near.
	Like near, like in the next couple of days.
	That's the guys who knock on your door with the Bible.
	No, no, those are the Seventh-day Adventists.
	That's a different group.
	They're not dominionists.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	I'm not thinking of those.
	The other ones.
	Well, there's Mormons that knock on your door.
	Seventh-day Adventists knock on your door.
	Jehovah's Witness.
	Jehovah's Witness.
	They are closer to that, I think.
	I don't know.
	Because they're always talking about their own times.
	Jehovah's Witness and a lot of conspiracy theories are the same.
	Because I've talked to them.
	Well, they always leave a tract.
	Um...
	If you're not there, and it's always a one-page...
	Yes, and I recall...
	Talks about the end is near.
	I think maybe four or five years ago, they showed up at my door, and I talked to them, and I just hit them with everything I had.
	Like, yeah, man, that's right.
	It's all going down.
	Yeah, the Internet is...
	And they were like, you, brother...
	How are you guys outside?
	You, brother, already saved.
	It's like, we can move on to the next house.
	But yes, the concept of accelerationism, which is like this guy said in New Zealand, I want to hasten the pendulum swinging.
	It's sad, but look at what we've told these Zoomers.
	We've told them.
	The end is near.
	It's all over.
	Yeah, that's not us.
	No, not you and I. No, not you and I, no.
	I'm an agenda person.
	No, we remain very optimistic.
	It's the M5M, these people.
	We remain optimistic and chipper.
	Exactly.
	As is Jared Ottinger.
	He is in Dallas, Oregon.
	Dallas, Oregon, yes.
	$203.14 is his contribution.
	I was introduced to you guys about nine years ago while battling cancer.
	You stayed with me through three years of chemo, although it was on again off again.
	However, the last couple of years our relationship has blossomed and I definitely need a de-douching.
	You've been de-douched.
	I truly appreciate the calm center that you guys provide.
	And I'm happy to say my son now listens as well.
	Very good.
	Just play some mac and cheese and Hot Pockets, as that's what I grew up eating, as well as an F cancer.
	Thanks.
	Living the mac and cheese life.
	Mac and cheese.
	Hot Pockets.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs.
	Sorry.
	You've got karma.
	Slip the jobs karma in there for you as well, so you've got a bonus F cancer and a jobs karma.
	Thank you, Jared.
	And good on you, man.
	Get your kid into this early.
	Save him.
	Derek Lawless.
	And by the way, Lawless, I think, is one of the great last names.
	It's also a great name for a stripper.
	Yes.
	It's Cindy Lawless.
	Cindy Lawless.
	Do one, John.
	Do one.
	Cindy.
	20117.
	Thank you for running such an entertaining and informative show.
	Thank you especially for your consistent promotion of the Value for Value model.
	I have been using something similar for nearly a decade to promote our family business.
	Oh, yes!
	This is Derek!
	Yes, he sent us the stuff you can stick on the drywall.
	It holds 40 pounds.
	Yes!
	Ah.
	Yes.
	He's at DLawlessHardware.com.
	DLawlessHardware.
	Our site is filled with work from small businesses which I provided hardware to in exchange for photography featuring the hardware.
	This set up a boon to us and our partners, producers, as hardware is costly to them while photography is costly to me.
	Getting creative with how one provides value is key.
	It's called bartering in this case.
	The IRS hates it, by the way.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, do they?
	There are surely more ways than money to provide value.
	That said, there's always money.
	Please tell the listeners that Code No Agenda will get them 10% off any order from D Lawless Hardware.
	So there's a code.
	Put code NOAGENDA in there because it probably has a box.
	I have purchased products from other NOAGENDA producers, and it's a great way to support the like-minded people.
	In my mind, the only real power most of us slaves have is the way we spend our money.
	Buying something from a small or independent business or donating to NOAGENDA may very well be the most impactful thing you do each day.
	Thanks for the plug.
	NOAGENDA, NO AGENDA, NO JINGLES, NO KARMA. Hey, KD9HZT at 73s.
	Yes.
	Kilo 5, Alpha Charlie, Charlie 73s.
	And this is a good time to promote the Gitmo list.
	And if he's not in here or on here, I'm sure the Gitmo list guys will put it on.
	GitmoList.org.
	G-I-T-M-O-L-I-S-T dot org.
	And that's where you can find a lot of no agenda related businesses and just all kinds of stuff.
	Also just ancillary sites with nuttiness that we...
	That has glommed on to us into this sticky ball of deconstruction over the years.
	Thank you very much.
	No agenda goodness.
	Yeah, sticky ball of no agenda goodness.
	Thank you very much, Derek Wallace.
	1121.
	We want to thank all these folks for producing and executive producing this show and...
	We have others to thank later, but these are the top of the list because they get the full credit.
	Just like Hollywood, where we give you your credits, your executive producer credit, associate executive producer credit, they are valuable and very valuable, actually, where credits are recognized.
	So put it anywhere that makes sense.
	Certainly your LinkedIn profile, people put them in their email signature.
	And Twitter names also seem to be not the actual at sign, but then whatever your handle is at the top that people put in there.
	They're executive producer or their associate executive producer status.
	Thank you so much.
	And remember, we have another show coming up on Thursday.
	You can support that one as well by going to...
	Well, I think you've got enough on that manifesto.
	You can call it a little bit of formula.
	Go propagate.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Oh, my God.
	Shut up.
	All right.
	There's a couple of things I want to talk about.
	I want to get these one clips out of the way because there's some information here that is necessary.
	There's this joker.
	Used to be the governor of Massachusetts.
	He's getting all kinds of play on the media because he's going to be a Republican running against Trump.
	Perfect.
	Bill Welds' name.
	Where is he from?
	We know where he's from.
	He was the governor of Massachusetts and then he got booted out.
	He's actually a dummy because what happened was, I think when he was governor of Massachusetts, to get him out because you don't need these Republicans in Massachusetts, Bill Clinton offered him The ambassadorship to Mexico.
	Oh, classic.
	Hey, that's like Uncle Don after Iran-Contra.
	Hey, you're now the ambassador to South Korea.
	Go far away.
	Go far away.
	So the guy quit his governorship and goes to become ambassador to Mexico, which has got to be a thankless job.
	It's useless.
	And then he came back after Clinton got kicked out.
	He tried to run for Santa.
	He tried to get back in Nepal.
	He couldn't win anything.
	He's a douche.
	And I'm going to prove it by playing some of his clips about how he's going to beat Trump.
	He's going to beat Trump because he's into all kinds of stuff that you never imagined.
	Is he a case fighter?
	Let's start with clip two.
	Basket as the late head of the American Nazi Party.
	Am I correct?
	It says two.
	It says Bill Weld on podcast two, climate.
	Okay, okay.
	Sorry.
	You want to play it?
	Still play it?
	Yeah, yeah, play it.
	Stop putting them in the same sentence.
	But, you know, I think the president, he makes no bones about the fact, he says, America first, which was Charles Lindbergh's fifth column before World War II, and he says, I'm a nationalist.
	Well...
	It is the party that took over in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
	So that's the Nationalist Workers' Party.
	Governor, you've broken with the president and really the rest of the party on climate change.
	What do you see as the best policy to reduce carbon emissions, considering the scale that they're on and the sense of emergency that surrounds it?
	Well, I think we should rejoin the Paris Climate Accords for openers and adopt percentages that are consonant with our responsibility.
	On the issue of climate, there's a divide between the developed nations and lesser developed countries.
	I think what President Trump would like to do is say, well, we've gotten the benefits of the Industrial Revolution.
	Now, you have to agree, you and your rainforests, not to emit any carbon dioxide, and we don't care if you ever develop, because we've got ours.
	Again, that's an unattractive point of view.
	It's not what anyone's thinking.
	But let's go back to what he said at the beginning, and that, I think, is in clip one.
	You know, I think the president, he makes no bones about the fact, he says, America first, which was Charles Lindbergh's fifth column before World War II, and he says, I'm a nationalist.
	Well, it is the party that took over in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
	So that's the Nationalist Workers' Party.
	Yeah, yeah, okay.
	This is bullcrap.
	It's total bullcrap.
	It's a lie.
	Let me give you the name of these parties.
	Yes.
	The Nazi Party was the National, not the Nationalist, the National Socialist Workers' Party.
	Yes.
	The National Socialist Workers' Party.
	The Nationalist Workers' Party did exist.
	It was a fringe party in, of all places, New Zealand.
	Ah!
	Ah!
	Well, we know about New Zealand.
	So this guy is a dick because he associates, he's used the word nationalist when the Nazis were the National Socialist Worker Party.
	So this guy's full of crap.
	The guy doing the interview, he doesn't say anything.
	He doesn't know, John.
	He doesn't know Jack.
	Yes.
	So we go along with this joker and this bill, and just play this last clip.
	This is where he's going on, and I think his real concern is a lot of these old Republicans that are Pretty staid.
	They think Trump's a jerk because he's He doesn't have comportment, which is a word that I don't think I've ever used.
	Comportment?
	Is that in this clip, the term, the word comportment?
	Yes, you can play it.
	All right, well, you better be ready to explain to me what it means.
	Well, I think that on the international front, the president has totally upended the correct order of things.
	He's insulting our allies.
	And, you know, his favorite foreign leaders are the ones who are autocratic or despotic.
	I think his interactions with the Justice Department, starting with Jim Comey, even Jeff Sessions, don't bespeak any notion of fidelity to law.
	The sign that's on the Justice Department building at 10th and Constitution in Washington, a government of laws and not of men, that's pretty deep in our history, and the president seems to have no interest in that.
	You know, there's just a lot of issues out there in addition to the bedrock issue of comportment in office.
	There's, you know, there's climate change, there's treaties.
	I thought it was a blunder not to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership, for example.
	Okay.
	Comportment is behavior.
	It means proper behavior.
	Yes.
	Oh, yes.
	Comportment.
	Proper behavior.
	The expected behavior.
	Presidential.
	Yes.
	Presidential behavior.
	So then the Trans-Pacific Partnership, he says, is a huge, huge mistake.
	Does this guy know what the Trans-Pacific Partnership says?
	Because nobody else does.
	No one else seems to know.
	Well, he may actually have read some of it.
	I doubt it.
	As a governor, he might have gotten something.
	I think the governor's got some...
	It's a secret document.
	Yeah.
	Who's for a secret document?
	You don't need to know what it says.
	Yeah.
	This guy's a total creep.
	Yes.
	Anyway, I just wanted to get that out of the way.
	Well, just as we're talking about...
	They're out there.
	Like a Trump rotation thing.
	It's whizzing around very quickly.
	Actually, during the whole New Zealand initial coverage, Scott Adams is on a quixotic...
	There it is, I'll use it.
	On a quixotic...
	Yeah, now we're using it.
	Yes.
	Scott Adams is on a quixotic crusade.
	Hmm, very nice.
	Quixotic crusade.
	That's kind of redundant, actually.
	Well, it's a crusade.
	Not totally.
	Quixotic means it ain't working.
	And because the mainstream continuously lies, and they don't know better, so I can't really call it an intentional lie, but it's an M5M lie, that the president said, there are good people there in the alt-right Charlottesville side.
	Scott Adams is tweeting the literal translation where actually Trump said exactly the opposite.
	The transcript.
	The transcript, I'm sorry.
	Where Trump actually said...
	I should read it.
	I want to just read it while I'm here anyway.
	Do I have it here?
	I have it in...
	Well, Diamond and Silk played a clip of him, and he starts the whole thing off by bitching and moaning about Nazis and white supremacists, which everybody in the media completely ignores to the point where they're saying he's never rebuked them.
	Would he rebuked them in this statement?
	Yeah, here.
	So this is what Scott Adams is tweeting around.
	So I will just read the highlighted bits that Scott Adams is tweeting.
	Trump, excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.
	You had people in that group, excuse me, excuse me, And then the reporter jumps back in, but the highlighted bit, right after this statement, I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.
	But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?
	And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
	Now in the other group also you had some fine people, but you also, this is the left Antifa, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats.
	You had a lot of bad people in the other group too.
	So factually, Trump did not say what people keep propagating, like, find people there, those Nazis.
	Anyway, Scott Adams valiantly trying to convince people to...
	I don't know why he, of all people, cannot understand that once someone is under hypnosis, it's very hard to get them out of it.
	And he's a hypnotist.
	Right?
	Of all people.
	Yeah.
	Great ironic catch.
	That is very ironic.
	Now, something else happened with a seemingly kind of, who gives a crap, because I don't read it, interview in Breitbart.
	It was an exclusive headline.
	President Donald Trump, colon, Paul Ryan blocked subpoenas of Democrats.
	So that's a story I would not read in a million years.
	But they all poked out one little itty-bitty piece, and let's turn it into...
	President Trump saying his police and military supporters could make things very bad for his opposition.
	Here's the quote that he said to Breitbart.
	This is the president.
	You know, the left plays a tougher game.
	It's very funny.
	I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don't play it tougher, okay?
	I can tell you, I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the bikers for Trump.
	I have the tough people.
	But they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point.
	And then it would be very bad.
	Very bad.
	Abby Phillip is out front at the White House.
	By the way, I want this woman to come in for a second.
	By the way...
	No, actually, I'll read you what was actually said first and then let her come in.
	This was everyone.
	This is before the New Zealand mosque massacre took place.
	This was in heavy rotation.
	Oh, my God!
	And they were conflating it with other things Trump has said.
	Not in this interview, but, you know, as an example...
	Well, I can stand on Fifth Avenue, shoot anyone, no one would care.
	So they're taking this little bit and making it sound like he's threatening to use the military, the police, and bikers for Trump.
	Because, you know, that's right up there with those other two.
	So here's what actually was in the article, and it's just worth showing to you what the media does.
	I don't care if you like Trump or not, this is just a lie.
	It's disingenuous by its very nature of omission.
	So he's talking about Paul Ryan and what Paul Ryan wouldn't do.
	And then it says, Here's the quote.
	So here's the thing.
	It's so terrible what's happening, Trump said when asked by Breitbart News Deputy Political Editor Amanda House about his anticipated executive order on campus free speech.
	It's about the campus free speech.
	About violence on campuses by the left against people who want free speech.
	You know, the left plays a tougher game.
	It's very funny.
	I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don't play it tougher, okay?
	I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of bikers for Trump.
	I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.
	But the left plays it cuter and tougher, like with all the nonsense they do in Congress with all this investigation.
	That's all they want to do is, you know, they do things that are nasty.
	Republicans never played this.
	So he's talking about something completely different.
	He's talking about an attitude.
	He's actually saying, look at the restraint that people have put in against the actual violence.
	Wasn't some Republican shot at?
	Like, Steve Scalise almost died by someone on the left.
	Some maniac shot a bunch of Republicans playing baseball.
	Well, let's bring in Aaron Burnett's reporter to see how it's interpreted over on CNN's.
	Abby, this sounds like a threat.
	Well, a lot of people are certainly taking it that way, Erin.
	And it's not the first time that President Trump has used almost identical language to talk about his supporters in this way, talking about the military, the bikers for Trump, and others who he says are tough, and tough in a very specific way.
	The president also implying in this quote that the left is tough, too.
	He used this language when he was talking about Antifa, saying that his supporters might be able to go up against Antifa at a campaign rally back in September in Missouri.
	And many people remember, back in the campaign, President Trump talked about Second Amendment people, Second Amendment people.
	People referring to people who advocate for gun rights in this country being able to stop Hillary Clinton from appointing judges, left-leaning judges to the court if she were elected president.
	So this is a president who has repeatedly used this kind of language, sometimes playing fast and loose with his words and leaving it open to interpretation for people to believe that this is a door open to people who might want to use violence in the public sphere.
	The president almost never clarifies, and the White House certainly doesn't either.
	But a lot of people raising more questions about the president's language here and why he doesn't do more to be clearer about his words if violence is not, in fact, what he is implying here, Aaron.
	All right, Abby, thank you very much.
	And a really good point, right?
	If violence isn't what you're trying to talk about, then why are you talking about things getting very bad when you're talking about your supporters as the police and the military as monolithic groups?
	So you see what they've done.
	It's like, take this out of an interview that has nothing to do with him threatening anybody, and then conflate it with other things he said, and now, oh, oh, dictator!
	Oh, he's going to use the military!
	Oh, if he isn't re-elected, he'll have the bikers for Trump go and enforce him staying in the White House!
	Now, I'd like to do a similar job for Beto O'Rourke.
	I'm going to defend him a little bit.
	So, the word came down, Beto O'Rourke, he was a hacker.
	Well, he wasn't really a hacker, but he was in the Cult of the Dead Cow, and he did crazy rhymes.
	I don't know, how old was the guy?
	19, 18, 20?
	It doesn't matter.
	It's like, okay, fine.
	But then...
	Oh, he wrote...
	He has very weird things.
	Now, the controversy about these very weird things is that apparently Reuters knew he had written something odd back in the Cult of the Dead Cow days, 1988.
	Which, you and I remember the Cult of the Dead Cow.
	It's like, whatever.
	It was fine.
	You know, was it a sophisticated hacking group?
	No.
	There were some phone freakers and stuff in there.
	But it was underground stuff.
	It was alt stuff.
	Probably alt-something.
	It was alt.
	So Reuters knew that there was this story out there before the Senate election, is my understanding, and they held back on it by request until after the race ran, and now it's come out, and it's like some douchey...
	Story.
	It's a very short story.
	But the way the headlines read is, Oh, Beto wrote about fantasizing about killing children!
	And so they actually will, if they cite any of it, they'll cite this.
	Uh...
	As I neared the young ones, I put this as a...
	I knew, however, that this happiness and sense of freedom were much too overwhelming.
	This happiness was mine by right.
	I had earned it in my dreams.
	As I neared the young ones, I put all my weight on my right foot, keeping the accelerator pedal on the floor until I heard the crashing of the two children on the hood, and then the sharp cry of pain from one of the two.
	I was so fascinated for a moment that when after I had stopped my vehicle, I just sat in daze, sweet visions filling my head.
	And so that's what is published.
	So like, wow, the guy's kind of creepy.
	He's writing stories about...
	He's a psycho.
	So let me read the next piece.
	The last sentence.
	I was so fascinated for a moment that when after I had stopped my vehicle, I just sat in a daze, sweet visions filling my head.
	My dream was abruptly ended when I heard a loud banging on the front window.
	It was an old man who was using his cane to awaken me.
	He might have been a witness to my act of love.
	I was not sure, nor did I care.
	It was simply ecstasy.
	As I drove home, I envisioned myself committing more of these acts of love, and after a while I had no trouble carrying them out.
	The more people I killed, the longer my dreams were.
	I soon quit my job, stayed at my house in an almost comatose state.
	He's writing about a completely fictional thing within a fictional story.
	When he says my...
	Was that words he used?
	My love something or other?
	Was he in his car masturbating?
	Possibly.
	It sounds like.
	But, you know, it's like...
	It's a dream about a dream, and you can't take these little pieces out of context of the whole...
	You can't even take it out of the context of Cult of the Dead Cow.
	You really have to...
	It was 30 years ago.
	I know!
	So, now, is it a problem that...
	Well, Beto is on the warpath, so I think they're trying to...
	I think...
	I have three Beto clips.
	Ooh, nice.
	I think.
	Is that nice?
	I think it's nice.
	I don't know.
	It could hurt.
	Well, first of all, let's start with his Never Gonna Run clip, which a lot of people have picked up on.
	I will say this is not my original.
	A lot of bloggers and illegal bloggers who should be licensed and podcasts that should be licensed people have run this clip.
	Because this is Beto on 60 Minutes saying he's never going to run.
	He's very adamant about it.
	And then all of a sudden, now he has to run.
	We've heard a lot of people speculate that you and Senator Cruz may face each other again, not in a Senate rematch, but running for a higher office.
	What are your thoughts on running for president?
	I don't want to do it.
	I will not do it.
	Amy and I are raising an 11-year-old, a 10-year-old, and a 7-year-old.
	And we've spent the better part of the last two years not with each other, missing birthdays and anniversaries and time together.
	Our family could not survive more of that.
	We need to be together.
	A politician lied.
	Yeah, I know.
	How about that?
	At least he's a politician.
	The funny thing is, I think the scenario, the timeline goes like this.
	He says this, and now, because his campaign is over, the Cruz thing, and he's getting relaxed, now he's with the wife and three, their old daughters, I think?
	Not sure.
	Well, he's got a bunch of kids, and they're all daughters, and he would definitely run for president because he doesn't.
	No man.
	I know a guy that's got a wife and a bunch of daughters, and he says he's just always trying to get out of the house because he says you can never win any argument.
	And he just shakes his head.
	It's like apparently horror.
	Hey, welcome to me this week.
	So Beto goes home and says, holy crap, this is terrible, this family life.
	I'm going to run for president.
	I grew up around women and gay guys.
	I disagree.
	You can win an argument, but you have to think differently.
	You grew up around women and gay guys.
	Yeah.
	Alright, let's play.
	Now let's go to CBS. To the puff piece, this is a long piece, because he decides to run, and everybody's all tizzy about this, because I don't know, and by the way, they keep describing this guy as a handsome man.
	I don't get it.
	He's energetic.
	He's goofy looking, he's got a big Adam's apple, his head as long as a horse face, he's got that kind of, that upper lip that's kind of a snooty, kind of that John Elway look, like he's just, like something stinks all the time.
	I don't see any At least, if I'm analyzing from a, even trying to be a female or even a gay guy trying to see if it's a good look, I can't see this guy being a handsome man.
	I would like someone to explain it to me.
	So let's play this, I'm sorry, let's play the CBS clip.
	O'Rourke is the 13th Democrat to officially join the 2020 campaign.
	Gayle King sat down with him in Iowa and Ed O'Keefe was there for his announcement.
	Like he did in Texas, Beto O'Rourke kept a small footprint on his first day on the presidential campaign trail, even driving his own car.
	Why did you choose to start in this corner of the state?
	This is a very important part of America that isn't listened to often enough.
	It's his first ever trip to Iowa.
	Along with his name, voters are still learning what the former three-term congressman from El Paso stands for, including universal health care, a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, and universal background checks for gun buyers.
	CBS This Morning co-host Gayle King spoke with O'Rourke for his first TV sit-down interview since announcing his candidacy.
	People have said we had a candidate who didn't have vast political experience.
	And maybe now this time we need somebody in the White House who has, you know, been around the block a few times, who has greater experience than yourself.
	Right.
	And clearly you're not deterred by that.
	Right.
	I mean, I guess it depends on what kind of experience you're looking for.
	I've got experience hiring people, creating jobs, developing the economy of the community in which I live, serving in local government, with Amy helping to raise a family, and finding ways to work across the aisle to get legislation passed even when I'm in the minority party.
	A recent poll of Iowa Democrats put O'Rourke in fifth place, behind former Vice President Joe Biden, who's expected to join the race next month, and three senators.
	That's a decent start for the 46-year-old who lost the Senate race last year.
	But it's the fact that he lost by only three points in Ruby Red, Texas, and how he did it, that has won him fans nationwide and worries other Democratic campaigns.
	He traveled with a small team, never hired consultants, and raised a record $80 million.
	His popularity stems in part from his constant use of social media.
	Even during a dental cleaning.
	And what is it about him that maybe piques your interest?
	He just looks very charismatic and seems like he could really make a change.
	President Trump said he saw O'Rourke today, too.
	I've never seen so much hand movement.
	I said, is he crazy or is that just the way he acts?
	In a new cover story for Vanity Fair magazine, O'Rourke expresses extreme confidence in his chances, saying, quote, I am born to do this.
	It's going to be so entertaining.
	I can't wait.
	I am born to do this.
	I'm excited.
	Anyway, he wants to impeach Trump, but he figures – and by the way, this – I got these two shorts.
	Is he going to do that as president?
	I think so.
	He's going to get in there, and once he's president, he's going to impeach Trump.
	Which I think he's taken from Maxine Waters.
	Yeah, exactly.
	When is she going to throw a hat in the ring?
	Anyway, here's Beto mouthing off on impeachment.
	That if there was not collusion, there was at least the effort to collude with a foreign power.
	Effort to collude.
	Effort.
	Beyond the shadow of a doubt that if there was not obstruction of justice, there certainly was the effort to obstruct justice, whether that's firing James Comey, the principal investigator, into what happened in the 2016 election, or in the light of day, tweeting to your attorney general, as President Trump did, to end the Russia investigation.
	Because, you know, Speaker Pelosi's gone on record.
	She does not think that's the way to go at this particular time.
	How Congress chooses to address those set of facts and the findings, which I believe we are soon to see from the Mueller report, is up to them.
	Two things.
	One.
	Hey, where's the Mueller report?
	Nah, it's coming up.
	One thing.
	Gail has become the new Barbara Walters.
	That's interesting.
	Yes, I've noticed this too.
	They're pushing her in that direction.
	Yes, yes.
	And that's okay.
	It's the way you go.
	I think her interviews, she always has that kind of a, kind of that pensive, painful look.
	Painful, yeah, yeah.
	Whatever the guy's going to say is going to hurt her.
	Well, she's got to make people cry now.
	Then she's true Barbara Walters.
	I'm in total pain.
	Here's the analysis of what Beto just said.
	Interesting to hear that answer, Andrew.
	What is the message that he's sending to voters and Democrats in Congress with that position?
	I think that's something you're going to hear from a lot of 2020 Democratic candidates, this idea that, you know, I don't want to focus on impeachment right now.
	I'm not serving in Congress.
	You know, that's for those folks to decide.
	I'd rather beat him at the ballot box in 2020, which is what I think that's what Beto O'Rourke is trying to convey.
	Of course, last year when he was running against Ted Cruz in that race, he was running as a very, very unapologetic progressive.
	Which, you know, the conventional wisdom was in a state like Texas, that kind of politics would not sell well to voters.
	Well, it sold pretty well in the sense that he came within three points of beating Senator Ted Cruz in a red state.
	So I think he's going to be able to break through some of these more established norms of democratic politics going forward.
	And I think you saw that reflected in his answer, this idea that he would rather, just like all the others would, beat the president at the ballot box.
	Okay, fine.
	Which is exactly what this show predicted would happen with this impeachment talk.
	It's to keep it in, to keep the ball in the air.
	Impeach, impeach, impeach.
	Oh, we can't.
	It's not going to work.
	Let's just beat him at the ballot box.
	So the public at large is thinking, oh, the guy was going to be impeached.
	I won't vote for him.
	Before we take a break, I've been waiting for news to see what happened.
	As you know, John and I were part of the first podcasting network company where over the course of 10 years, I certainly discovered and analyzed and have been able to say you cannot monetize the network.
	It's not the way to go with podcasting.
	And it's been entertaining, although somewhat disheartening that we're seeing the exact same mistakes being made.
	It's a repeat.
	It's a cycle.
	It's the same.
	Over and over.
	Deja vu all over again.
	So when Gimlet Media, the podcasting pioneer, were purchased by Spotify for a purported $230 million, I was very curious to see how long it would take before certain shows that they have in their roster which are not getting any of the money.
	Because that's how it works.
	One or two shows get all the money and everyone gets a little pittance.
	It's just how it works.
	It's the flaw in the idea.
	And that you can go outside of that, and do you have paywalls?
	How do you lock it down?
	All these things are problematic.
	I did not expect what actually did happen, but I knew it was going to implode somehow, and I think you of all people, John, will appreciate this.
	I am reading.
	Gimlet Media is a podcast pioneer.
	As one of the first companies to recognize the potential of on-demand audio, Gimlet is on the leading edge of a growing industry.
	Okay?
	I think there were other people and other companies before you, but I'll let you slide.
	Yeah, I think so.
	There's plenty.
	I'll let you slide.
	But I like the way you're reading it.
	That bullshit voice.
	And in keeping with Gimlet's innovative ethos, we are proud...
	I'm not going to say it.
	We, the producers, engineers, hosts, editors, and reporters, are the people at Gimlet who make the podcasts!
	We come from public and commercial radio, print and digital media, the music industry, Hollywood advertising, academia, and many other fields.
	We work hard to create some of the best audio in the world.
	Our editorial branded teams have won numerous awards.
	Our shows have been options for television and film.
	We have helped the company branch out into voice skills and advertising and our listeners number in the millions.
	We love our work and we're deeply invested in Gimlet's success.
	As Spotify's reported $230 million acquisition of Gimlet Media makes clear, however, Gimlet is no longer the small, scrappy operation memorably documented on the first season of Startup!
	We have decided to unionize.
	Our union is an expression of passion for what we do and a proactive effort to work with management to shape the future of the company.
	It is important for us to solidify the things that made Gimlet a great place to work and to address whatever issues may arise.
	Through collective bargaining, we will work towards a contract that includes but is not limited to...
	I'll stop here for a second.
	So...
	What happened, and they've joined the Writers Guild of America East.
	What happened is everyone saw all the money come in.
	Of course, a couple of guys get a ton of money because this is not an investment.
	It was a sale.
	It was an acquisition.
	So someone made some money.
	Probably the original investors, angels.
	But there are people now who disproportionately have more money.
	But as you can read in this unionization document, the people feel that they were responsible.
	So, they're going to bargain, and they're going to put the following in the contract.
	Consistent and transparent job descriptions and salary bands.
	Straightforward processes for advancement and promotion.
	Clear and fair policies around contractor employment.
	Concrete and ambitious diversity initiatives.
	Equitable processes for protecting employees' intellectual property.
	Good luck.
	Clear disciplinary termination and resignation policies and employee input in company decision making.
	That's the end of that.
	It is not possible to make podcasts in any profitable manner with union jobs.
	So you'll have a union writer, a union...
	I mean, you can...
	The key word there is profitable.
	Yes, profitable.
	It's not possible.
	Not possible.
	The market isn't there.
	The times have changed.
	It is an open network.
	You cannot...
	And even if you think you're going to do this by putting it behind a Spotify paywall, it just won't pay off.
	We've done...
	We know the numbers.
	Yeah, it makes it worse.
	It doesn't work.
	You have to do these things yourself.
	And they've fallen into a very old trap and cliche.
	And this is going to be...
	They're going to be walkouts...
	Because the money won't be there.
	Eventually, Spotify will go, this is great.
	We love these five shows, but we really got to cut everything.
	Well, good luck then.
	Yeah, they're going to cut...
	90% of...
	It doesn't matter.
	90% of all shows.
	Yeah, they have a lot of shows and they're going to end up with two.
	I want to say, this has nothing to do with unions.
	I'm not against unions.
	Specifically this sector, I think I have some standing, Billy Bones in the troll room.
	This sector, you cannot make a show profitable, certainly not a network profitable with unionization.
	I have to be able to edit.
	No, now I have to go to an editor.
	Engineer?
	Oh, I can't do the stream.
	I've got to talk to an engineer.
	You've got to have reporters?
	Okay, reporters, specific category for what they're doing, if they're doing it that way.
	Intellectual property on what you write?
	Good luck!
	That's not viable in today's world.
	So I thought you'd find that kind of humorous.
	Yeah, I actually saw that when it came out.
	They must be having nothing but trouble now that they have to unionize because it's unionizing podcasts.
	I mean, this is like unionizing, you know, you've got a family of four and the kids decide to unionize.
	I mean...
	Can you imagine?
	Hey, but you know what?
	If the kids unionize, at least I'll know who to talk to to have the trash taken out.
	I mean, it's not all that bad.
	I mean, it could have some benefit.
	Yeah, maybe.
	But yeah, this is the beginning of the end for Gimlet.
	Yeah.
	It was the newer ones.
	I mean, there's a bunch of these operations.
	But John, what's worse is, you know, just like somehow we got into this vibe with podcasting where we do all things in post.
	We do all the post-processing.
	I'm Phil Spector with my wall of sound.
	I've got every mic individually.
	Oh, someone said, um, I'm cutting that out.
	Yeah.
	So all the love is removed from the shows.
	All the human aspects are gone.
	The spontaneity is gone.
	But now there's going to be an industry.
	I read all of the podcasts, Business Journal, the podcast news, the podcast pickled thing.
	No, that was a while ago.
	But...
	All these podcast newsletters.
	And they love this unionized...
	Oh, my God.
	Now we...
	Oh, union.
	Yeah!
	Now we've got an industry.
	I'm a podcast editor.
	I should make $60 an hour.
	Well, you're not going to get hired very much.
	It's just a fact.
	So...
	We recommend just giving the value for value model a try.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda in the morning.
	Let's see what we got here.
	We have a few people to thank, including Anonymous, right at the top from Germantown, Tennessee, $101.16.
	He's a first-time donor.
	Give him a de-douching.
	You've been de-douched.
	Eric Halbredder, $100.
	Sir Rick in Arlington, Washington, $69.96.
	He comes in with Baron Mark Tanner at $67.89.
	And Whittier and Terry Wentz in Langley, Washington, $600.6 small boob donation.
	Sebastian de Stigler, 5678.
	I think it's the Stichter.
	He's in Holland somewhere.
	Sebastian de Stichter, not the Stichter.
	Not the Stichter.
	And family.
	Marshall Bass in the U.S. somewhere.
	Thanks.
	He says 5555 Chase Jacobson and Noonan, Maryland.
	I'm sorry, 5555.
	He did send in a note and there was a reason that I stopped the press.
	Yes, you had a reason to read it.
	There's a reason to read it.
	There's a reason.
	This is my first donation.
	Please de-douche me.
	Okay, we can do that.
	You've been de-douched.
	Jobs Karma, we'll give that to him at the end.
	I'm a fifth generation rancher in North Dakota.
	If this summer is dry again, some moisture would be great.
	But currently, we don't need any more snow.
	I love the show, but I haven't been listening more than a year, so I could go for another 11 years.
	Keep up the great work.
	I haven't been listening long enough to know how...
	By the way, it's handwritten.
	How you stand on the landowners and gun rights.
	But I hope we agree on these rights points.
	You don't need to read this and don't expect it...
	Where am I reading this?
	I don't know.
	He says at the end, though, sincerely, Chase, I think I'm a millennial, but I don't think it fits in and I prefer to use...
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry.
	That was not a great note.
	But I'm glad you stopped for it.
	Well, did you do something?
	Yes, you did.
	Sir Luke, the Baron of London.
	Usually I put it in there for a reason.
	You know what it was?
	I probably didn't preview the note.
	As always, grateful.
	I give up the good work.
	Sir Luke of London, 5510.
	Clayton Dunavant in Greenfield, Wisconsin.
	5333.
	And he's got some commentary for somebody.
	It's one of those call-outs we have.
	I was called out by Sir Cherry Crumb Pie as a douchebag, which I totally am for not donating since leaving Austin five years ago for sunny Milwaukee.
	Oh.
	He's an Austonian.
	We haven't looked back since.
	Huh.
	Huh.
	I humbly request a de-douching and a...
	Let me do the de-douching first.
	You've been de-douched.
	Hey, just like Sir Cherry Crumb Pie did as a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	He introduced me to the show in 2012, and my recollection has never donated.
	What a douche.
	It's not us saying this, by the way.
	No, not us at all, no.
	No, we got nothing to do with it.
	Dame Jamie, hey, 5317.
	Um...
	John, Knight of the St.
	Patrick.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	It says here, happy anniversary to husband Sir Mad Hatter from Dame Jamie.
	Sorry you hit your head on the bird feeder.
	I don't know why, but I felt that code needed to be put into the show.
	I think what happened, she moved a bird feeder.
	And that's how they met.
	No.
	They've been around together, you can tell.
	And he bashed his head against it, and then, oh my, who moved the bird feeder?
	And he got all in a tiff.
	And so she's...
	She's apologizing.
	Well, that's very sweet.
	Sir John, Knight of the St.
	Patrick in Heber Springs, Arkansas, 5317.
	He says, Happy St.
	Pat's!
	After all, he is the Knight of St.
	Patrick, so he is an important peerage member today.
	Is that true?
	It says Sir John, Knight of St.
	Patrick.
	Yeah, I know it does say that, but I just wanted to get thrown in.
	He's the patron saint of engineers.
	Clay Alchemist in Grand Rapids, Michigan, 5188.
	Eric Schmidt, 5150.
	Matthew Smith, 51.
	Joel DeRuin in Savannah, Georgia, 50.
	Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park, Alberta, 50.
	These are all $50 donors, naming locations.
	Page Snakes in Amsterdam.
	Anonymous scrometer.
	Wait a minute.
	Tell Adam I'm finally feeling better.
	My hot water bill was very high last month or I'd be able to donate more.
	I consulted Sir Kyle at Lavender Blossoms regarding a cure for the scrommet.
	He suggests his new CBD with avocado oil and sure enough, it worked!
	No more scrommeting.
	Lavenderblossoms.org.
	All right.
	John Camp in Antlers, Oklahoma.
	And last but not least, Sir Jerry Wingenroth in Saugus, California.
	I did get a note from somebody that I thought was going to get in here.
	I don't know if it did.
	Oh, let's see.
	It's not to Derek.
	I may read Derek Bird's note later, but this is the note.
	I thought it was going to be a make good, and I don't have it.
	I do have a report from the Miami Mini Meetup, which I was unaware of.
	Oh, yeah.
	There was a Mini Meetup.
	Yes.
	ITM says, Craig, Kilo Bravo 1, Yankee Yankee Echo, 73s.
	Just had a great Miami ITM toast of Prosecco with Viscountess Patricia Worthington of Biscayne Bay and Baron Craig Kuttner, visiting from his territory of Northeast Georgia.
	Our hostess was Andrea O'Hagan, rising producer, Dame Wannabe.
	Fantastic.
	And they sent a little picture, so thank you very much for that.
	Make sure when you have a meetup, or if you're organizing one or want to organize one, you go to noagendameetups.com, noagendameetups.com, And you will see that today, I'm sorry, it was probably yesterday in Sydney, March 17th, there was a meetup, so I guess they had it already, and everyone's asleep, so maybe we'll hear from them how that went.
	March 23, Frankfurt, Deutschland, and April 20th in Atlanta.
	That'll be the 420 meetup in Atlanta, so...
	Probably already happened, unless they're all in a drunken stupor.
	The Sydney-Australia meetup, March 17th, the 23rd, Frankfurt, Germany, and Atlanta on the 20th of April.
	Fantastic.
	This is very good, these meetups.
	It's good.
	It's good for the soul.
	Now, the keeper initially, I said, yeah, you want to come to the meetups?
	She's like, I don't know.
	But once she went to one, she's like, these people are phenomenal.
	The people who come to these meetups, that's you.
	That's you people.
	Did I tell you about the swamp people who came up from Louisiana?
	Yes, you did.
	I don't know if it was on the show.
	I don't think it was on the show.
	I think I forgot to tell you at the Austin meetup.
	Oh, it's possible.
	And I don't remember his name.
	And he brought his two kids.
	They drove eight hours up and eight hours back.
	Was it covered with lichen?
	He said, we're from the swamp.
	We're swamp people.
	I think the kids had huge, big ruffigan hair with a big dreadlock coming out of the side.
	We're sure they weren't from D.C. Well, that could have been.
	That would be true swamp people.
	Yeah, but it's just interesting.
	Pilots, teachers, you know, dentists.
	Dudes named Ben.
	A lot of dudes named Ben.
	All the LGBTQ rainbow colors.
	Eagle Scouts.
	Eagle Scouts.
	Tons of Eagle Scouts.
	And sometimes people are all of the above.
	Marines, yes.
	It's a fabulous group.
	Some spooks, too.
	Yeah, there's always spooks.
	There's usually two or three in the dent.
	If I'm...
	At the Austin meetup, one of my contacts spotted at least three.
	Oh, sure.
	Okay, so we need some jobs and other karma, and then we do have a nighting, and we've got some other stuff.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	It's your birthday, birthday.
	I'm so much younger.
	And indeed, today is the 17th of March, 2019.
	We say happy birthday to Justin Duguid.
	He turns 36 years old on the 19th, and Sir Walkman of Buckeye will be on the wrong side of 40 by tomorrow.
	So happy birthday to you from all your friends here at the Best Podcast in the Universe.
	Okay, now we have, well, just one knighting, so this is good.
	Daniel Galloway, and I'll get my blade up here, if you can get your blade, John.
	Very good.
	Alright, Daniel!
	Thank you very much for your support of the No Agenda Show and the amount of $1,000 or more.
	This gives you a seat at the coveted roundtable, Daniel, and a name to covet as your own, as a knight, and I hereby pronunciate thee, Sir Spud the Mighty, Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable, and for you we have hookers and blow, red boys and chardonnay.
	Cooper's Pale Ale and Kanga Burgers.
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	So if you could take yourself, your knighting ass over, your knighted ass over to the noagendination.com slash rings website, Eric the Show will gladly help you out and get you the right size and get you your signet ring and your sealing wax and your certificate and make sure you tweet out a picture once you receive it.
	Then we have a couple titles here.
	Title changes.
	Turn and face this way.
	Nice changes.
	We've got Sir Walkman of Buckeye becoming a baron today of the Ohio Territory.
	We congratulate him with that.
	And also Sir Nubbin becomes a baronet.
	And we congratulate him with his upgraded status.
	This is all a part of our peerage system.
	No agenda.
	Peerage, itm.im slash peerage or dvorak.org.
	And I believe we have someone working on updating the map.
	It was a little bit out of date, our Peerage map.
	We got some hefty Peerage.
	Hefty Peerage.
	Indeed.
	I got two things I'd like to share.
	Some updated information on the 737 MAX 8 MAX 9 aircraft.
	Ah, yes.
	And this is very interesting.
	One of our producers sent me a YouTube video from CNBC. And this...
	Let me see, who was it?
	He wants to be anonymous, I think.
	This video was posted on February 12, 2018.
	So, over a year ago.
	Over a year ago!
	And it was on CNBC. And on the microphone is Captain Tager.
	He is the spokesperson for the Allied Pilots Association.
	I believe he flies for American Airlines.
	Again, Over one year ago, predating the Kenya crash, predating the Lion Air crash from Indonesia, important to remember, and here's what was discussed on CNBC. Frankly, the Wall Street Journal, a high-ranking Boeing official, said that they had made a decision to not disclose additional details about a new system that Phil Rila talked about.
	It's called the MCAS system, due to the fact they assumed that the average pilot Would be inundated with this information and they just thought it wasn't appropriate.
	And that's not only professionally insulting, it's a little bit ethically insulting.
	But that's okay because safety culture has many layers in it.
	And now that information has been provided us and we're digesting it.
	We're looking at it and understanding it better.
	And along with the, I saw in the New York Times report, the NTSB in Indonesia made similar claims that this information and this complex emergency that we're starting to learn more about, this may have been one of the issues that needs to be looked at closer.
	The good news is, and I want to make clear, that that 737, the old, the NG, the previous version, and the MAX, they're a safe aircraft.
	We fly them every day, and our families are on them.
	But what makes it safer today is now we know more about the system.
	So over a year ago...
	Boeing was pressured into releasing all the information about the dreaded MCAS system, which is being blamed on...
	Indonesia apparently also had that information.
	Now, if they disseminated that to their pilots, I don't know.
	But I do know that when you have something called an Emergency Airworthiness Directive, that goes throughout all layers of the aviation industry.
	And everyone reads these and knows about these, and this captain talks a lot about how the safety of the system works, multiple places where redundancy is built in to make sure everyone knows when something has changed.
	And indeed, such an airworthiness directive, emergency directive, was issued.
	Captain, there are a lot of people from the outside who are now analyzing this and trying to figure out...
	And by the way, when they're talking about analyzing this, this is pre-any crash.
	This is before any crash.
	The Wall Street Journal broke the story saying, hey, Boeing has changed something and they haven't really been open with pilots.
	This is a situation where the FAA needs to take more control and tell the manufacturers what needs to be done or at least be providing more oversight.
	But we're all on the outside.
	You're on the inside.
	You have a very good handle on what's happening.
	What do you think is the proper solution to this?
	Does the FAA need to step in more or is this something that industry can manage on its own?
	Well, I think the FAA stepped right on up as we were hoping for.
	Boeing put out a notification to crews about this, and then the FAA stepped up and said, now we're going to issue an emergency airworthiness directive.
	So they elevated it quickly, they were decisive, and that got our attention, that got our company's attention, and very quickly we received information from Boeing.
	That was very helpful.
	So we're pleased and we look forward to that type of team effort going forward.
	And we encourage Boeing to continue to join us and step into the circle of trust.
	And let's get this done right.
	So, if we have this emergency airworthiness directive, which, you know, when I was living in the Netherlands flying helicopters, there were FAA directives came out about aircraft that I knew of, or maybe it was flying myself, and it was...
	You have to immediately make the adjustments, changes, whether it's a part or it's a procedure.
	So somewhere it broke down, if indeed this is to blame for these crashes.
	But it seems like Boeing initially didn't do very well, but over a year ago, this information was known.
	And it was known through the proper channels, to my knowledge, in aviation.
	So every pilot aviating one of these aircraft would have to know this issue.
	It doesn't mean that the training they had could actually save them from the issue.
	That's separate.
	But it's not like it was a secret.
	Yeah.
	Well, what you said, in essence, is that while every pilot may have known, every news media outlet apparently didn't.
	And these stories are phony.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So we're getting phony news that should have been if these reporters were doing their job, they would have known about this.
	I mean, obviously, it's been placed a year ago.
	They make it sound like it's just like an overnight thing.
	So would you think that maybe is it the Airbus behind the bad reporting?
	Because the result is that all the planes have been grounded.
	Well, what I don't like about this is that the black box, now this happened in a country, in an African country, aligned with France, it being a colonial empire, and they still run a lot in Africa.
	No one ever talks about that.
	The black box, the Boeing...
	We've talked about it a lot.
	We is not everybody.
	We is us.
	The black box did not go to Boeing.
	It went to France.
	It went to the enemy!
	The enemy has the black box!
	So the French are going to analyze this.
	Of course, they know how to analyze the black box.
	They don't know how to do it.
	But when you have this huge war between Boeing and Airbus, you'd think that there would be a little more pushback on, hey, could we please have it before you start tampering around with the data?
	I don't like that.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	It's bad.
	It's not okay.
	I think it should have come to Boeing and, well, certainly the FAA, the U.S. authority should be involved in the opening and extraction of the data.
	So we'll see.
	It changes everything for me.
	It changes everything.
	If they knew about it...
	Now, does that mean that some crappier airlines don't have these directives?
	Well, we haven't seen Southwest or American Airlines have this issue just yet.
	I do know what the update is, the planned software update.
	It is indeed changing some behavior in the MCAS system, which is all a...
	Back in the day when I had money, living in the UK, I had a Jaguar XJS 12-cylinder, 6-liter, whatever it was.
	Probably not a great car to buy if you care about maintenance.
	Well, not only that, but the entire car only stayed on the road because of the computer systems.
	If you turned it off, you couldn't manage it.
	You could not manage the vehicle.
	It was too powerful.
	The weight distribution was off.
	The whole thing was basically put together and your driving was maintained by the computer.
	And that's what they did with this, I would say, new...
	It's almost a new type of aircraft because they changed substantial...
	The change of the design of the wing and the engines and the placement of the engines and thus all your center of gravity, angle of attack, all these different things change.
	It should be seen as an entirely new aircraft and I think they got to skimp on certification, etc.
	because they're building it on an existing frame.
	But that still doesn't mean that if you put the information out there, that pilots should know how to handle it.
	So the update will no longer...
	So if the system believes that you're doing something wrong and it tries to override you, it will override, but only one cycle.
	It won't do it continuously.
	So that should give the pilots more chance to figure out what's going on.
	But is it possible that Boeing slipstreamed a fix...
	Into the software for this system.
	Into all the planes at some time just before the first crash.
	Anything's possible.
	Do they do that?
	I don't believe that they do updates like Tesla over the air.
	It's my understanding that like most updates within aviation, it happens in a certified shop.
	Certainly, if it's avionics, an avionics specialist will do it.
	There's all kinds of sign-offs and approvals for updating.
	It's not something that just happens overnight.
	I understand that, but is it possible?
	How often does this thing get...
	I mean, I have my printer.
	My Epson printer keeps asking me, oh, we got an update to that on a weekly basis.
	These updates hopefully don't occur very often in my...
	I remember flying the Eurocopter a lot.
	And the Eurocopter, when you start up the Eurocopter, which is a nice aircraft, although it has counter-rotations, so you have to use a left instead of right pedal that you're used to when taking off and landing...
	It starts up with Windows NT 3.1.
	So on the flight screen, you see that pop up, and you have to wait.
	Part of the startup procedure is waiting for Windows NT 3.1 to boot.
	Honestly, I never liked that.
	It never felt good to me.
	Because it does manage engine things, but this is...
	Typically, these are very low-level, or maybe it's the opposite, high-level.
	You know, it's very tightly compiled.
	It's hardware.
	You don't see a disk running, you know, that runs these type of systems.
	You know, it's all embedded instructions.
	We do need more details, but the first one is this is not an unknown.
	It's not like a magical thing that happened.
	So I only have one thing, maybe, left.
	Okay.
	I mean, I have a bunch of stuff left, but I do want to get this out of the way.
	You know, if you haven't noticed, there's a concerted effort to get Tucker Carlson off the air.
	Yes.
	And so somebody, apparently years ago, he used to like to do Bubba the Love Sponge.
	Kind of a Howard Stern.
	Do you have new information on this story?
	This is pretty old.
	No, I don't have new information.
	Well, actually, the story is continuing, so it's not like new.
	I mean, there's protesters in front of the Fox studios going on.
	No, but what I do have, and it is old because it's stuff from Bubba the Love Sponge from 20 years ago.
	But this has been played on everything.
	Everything from CNN. Everyone's played.
	We have never played it.
	Okay.
	And I also cut out all the movies.
	For good reason.
	Yeah.
	Well, I just thought we should play it.
	I just thought as a point of information, we should listen to Tucker say nasty things about women and all that stuff that got everybody in a tizzy.
	We have not played it.
	It has been played to death.
	Different versions of it.
	This is a...
	A version that's a little long, but it's at least not...
	It doesn't have the music and all the interludes and crazy stuff going on.
	So it's something only the No Agenda show can do.
	Play it.
	It's kind of funny.
	Yeah, something only the No Agenda show can do is play you the raw source material.
	Right?
	Yeah, well, whatever it is.
	You're supposed to say sure.
	It's compiled.
	When I say right, you say sure.
	You can stop it if you find it's too gross to play.
	When I say right, you say sure.
	Sure.
	By the way, women hate you when they do you wrong and you put up with it.
	Exactly.
	Because they hate weakness.
	They're like dogs that way.
	They can smell it on you and they have an attempt for it.
	They'll bite you.
	I mean, I love women, but they're extremely primitive.
	They're basic.
	They're not that hard to understand.
	And one of the things they hate more than anything is weakness in a man.
	Do you run into Martha Stewart in the hallway over there?
	No.
	Alexis Stewart, we run into her all the time.
	She seems like a...
	She seems awful.
	Yeah, she is awful.
	They're very c***y.
	She seems extremely...
	I like to hear that word out of...
	Oh, yeah.
	I just...
	I stepped over.
	She seems...
	Now, go ahead.
	She just does seem a little c***y.
	Yeah.
	You said it.
	I'm just agreeing with you.
	I don't use that word.
	Right.
	I'd love for Tucker Carlson.
	Tonight on MSNBC, a girl that comes across kind of c***y.
	Hey, didn't he get fired from MSNBC specifically for this stuff?
	It's...
	I thought he got fired for this.
	People forget that he was at MSNBC during this era.
	Yeah, even before CNN. Wasn't it MSNBC first, and then he went to CNN? Or was it the other way around?
	Yeah, then he went to Fox.
	Well, she does!
	I mean, I heard her...
	Now, I'm a Brent fan, so...
	Okay, I'm stating my bias right out front here.
	But I heard her on with him, and I just wanted to give her the spanking she said.
	I actually want...
	I've got to be honest with you, I don't like her, and I wouldn't vote to confirm her if I were a U.S. senator, but I do feel sorry for her in that way.
	I feel sorry for unattractive women.
	I mean, there's nothing they did, you know?
	You know, if you took every celebrity, I think he controls it pretty tightly, but if you took every celebrity who's been on Howard Stern, you could do this to everybody.
	Because that's kind of what this Bubba the Love Sponge is.
	You could, because they encourage it on these shows.
	You're supposed to be a douche.
	Yeah.
	You don't have to play any more of it.
	I think you get the idea.
	But it goes on and on.
	He says nothing good about anybody.
	And so they're compiling this.
	This is like one of three or four of these things.
	They go on forever.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I just got one of that.
	We'll skip that and go to this clip, which is the press conference, which I think was hilarious.
	Because this is the second or third time this has come up in the same press conference with poor Sarah Huckabee having to answer this funny, I think, hilarious question.
	The media is completely off the rails to be even giving a crap about casual conversation.
	I have a question for you, but I also have a follow-up to a colleague, because I didn't hear you actually answer the question.
	So yes or no, does the president truly believe that Democrats hate Jews?
	No.
	I am not going to comment on a potentially leaked argument.
	I can tell you what...
	I can tell you think Democrats hate Jewish people, as he said in the South.
	I think that they've had a lot of opportunities over the last few weeks to condemn some abhorrent comments.
	I'm trying to answer if you'd stop talking.
	I'll finish my statement.
	The President has had and laid out clearly his position on this matter.
	Democrats have had a number of opportunities to condemn specific comments and have refused to do that.
	That's a question, frankly, I think you should ask Democrats what their position is, since they're unwilling to call this what it is and call it out by name and take actual action against members who have done things like this, like the Republicans have done when they had the same opportunity.
	I just want to be very clear.
	You're not answering the question.
	Is there a reason?
	I believe I answered it twice.
	Yeah, this cycle of...
	It's the hypocrisy loop.
	Well, you didn't disavow that.
	Well, you didn't disavow that.
	You didn't go fast enough on that.
	You didn't say this.
	It's all so tiring.
	It's really bad.
	The media in this country is just...
	It's not...
	They can't do...
	Where's the news in this?
	Well, I have some.
	This could be our final.
	Yesterday, he had a big conference in Atlanta.
	Atlanta is home of CNN. Who shows up on Brooke CNN's show?
	Al Gore!
	And this is the day after the children got no media coverage.
	This is very sad.
	Children got no media coverage.
	Children couldn't.
	They played hooky from school.
	And, you know, it was very hopeful for everybody.
	But luckily we got Al Gore on to fill us in.
	There's some updates.
	The numbers have changed a little bit.
	Things are much better for the climate change movement, Green New Deal.
	And I think we could have a little laugh as we listen to what he has to say.
	And this is what we would call a tell-fest.
	What does Al Gore tell when he's lying?
	It's a little cough, I believe.
	It's a laugh.
	It's a little, yeah, fake little laugh.
	Well, buckle in.
	Mr.
	Vice President, despite all the science, all the warnings, there are still skeptics at the highest level of government.
	To what do you attribute that?
	Now, I like what Brooke is doing here.
	She's trying to say the highest level of government.
	She's trying to say Trump.
	But she wants him to say Trump.
	Well, I don't think that there are...
	Obviously, there's no basis for doubting what Mother Nature is telling us now.
	It's beyond the consensus of 99% of the scientists.
	Just listen to...
	Oh, hold on, hold on.
	New numbers.
	Alert, alert.
	It's now beyond the 99% consensus of scientists.
	It doesn't even say climate scientists.
	No, it's just scientists.
	Everybody.
	Beyond!
	What Mother Nature is telling us now, it's beyond the consensus of 99% of the scientists just listen to Mother Nature.
	And the climate-related extreme weather events have quadrupled in recent years here in the U.S. alone.
	I like this statistic.
	The climate-related extreme weather events have quadrupled.
	Well, that's not that there were more horrific weather events.
	They're just labeled as climate change extreme weather events.
	There's no more or less than you would have expected.
	It's just the labeling is different.
	But he says it in a cool way.
	...
	have quadrupled in recent years.
	Here in the U.S. alone, in less than nine years we've had 17 once-in-a-thousand-year events.
	I wish we could have a list of those.
	They keep on coming and they keep on getting worse.
	So the old strategy of trying to fool people into disbelieving the evidence in front of their own.
	When he laughs like that, his tell, you know he's really laughing about how he is fooling people.
	That's why he can't contain himself.
	Keep on getting worse.
	So the old strategy of trying to fool people into disbelieving the evidence in front of their own eyes is failing.
	And we're crossing a tipping point now, Brooke.
	We're seeing many Republicans...
	Change their positions and join the growing bipartisan consensus.
	The debate's not about the science.
	That debate's long since over.
	The debate now is about the best ways to move as fast as we can to solve this crisis.
	Okay.
	We all know that best way is to pay Al Gore.
	Second clip.
	This is very nice.
	We have a strategy for getting Trump elected or voted out of office.
	It's a very important one.
	It has to do with the Paris Climate Accord.
	I did not know what he's about to tell us.
	I looked it up and I guess you could say it's true what he's saying.
	Listen...
	But what about the leader of all Republicans, the president himself?
	I mean, if inaction continues for the next two, maybe six years under a Trump White House, what concerns you?
	What is the one immediate consequence on climate?
	Well, actually, in what some might call a perverse way, I think the fact that Donald J. Trump has become the global face of climate denial is actually encouraging a lot more people to join the cause of helping bring about the solutions more rapidly.
	He cannot withdraw from the Paris Agreement, by the way, legally.
	The first date we could is the day after the next presidential election.
	So the fate of this issue is not in his hands.
	It's in our hands.
	And a large and growing bipartisan majority in this country is now saying definitively to politicians and office holders, it's time to act, and the sooner the better, the bolder the better.
	Now, it's meaningless, but what he's saying is true as President Obama signed and formally joined the Paris deal in 2016, arguing at the time that Senate ratification was not required because it was not a formal treaty.
	And that's why it's meaningless.
	But as a result, the U.S. will continue to be part of the agreement until November 5th, 2020, the first date that the U.S. can formally withdraw.
	Which is, in 2020, the day after the election.
	I think this...
	Holy crap!
	First of all, you get clip of the day for discovering this.
	Oh, thank you very much.
	I would be nothing without my producers.
	Yeah.
	No, I clip all this stuff.
	I get very few.
	I get a few, but not as many as you do.
	The point is, is that it's almost as though it was a setup.
	Yeah.
	It's a perfect setup.
	Why would the worldwide agreement have anything to do with our election cycle?
	Coincidence?
	I think not.
	Now, the third one will blow your mind even more.
	What have we seen?
	We've seen children being abused and becoming spokesholes for this movement, for this financial movement, because the ultimate goal is a price on carbon, a carbon tax globally.
	Money.
	Money, money, money.
	And if you just want to, for those of you who are new, you should go to the Bingits, go to bingit.io and look for Al Gore Maurice Strong Carbon Exchange and you can learn about the financial motive that Al Gore at least seemed to have when starting all this up and who Maurice Strong is, etc., So we've taken these children and we have put the fear of God into them.
	We have made them believe in climate change and they're all going to die.
	We have report after report.
	And this most recent one, if we don't do anything within 12 years, then we're all going to die.
	It's the genesis of the Green New Deal.
	It's why children are depressed.
	And this truancy, the climate strike situation, Which was on Friday.
	It didn't get much ink or air time because of the New Zealand mosque massacre.
	But the children still went out there.
	They're still being made to be very afraid of climate change, aka global warming, while they stand in the cold, wrapped up in their sweaters, their mittens and their hats.
	Greta Thornburg has been nominated.
	She's the now 15-year-old who's been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for her work.
	She's a trained child.
	It's like a circus.
	She's been trained by her parents who are globalists, who are activists, who are in on the deal.
	And now listen to what Al Gore has to say about the children.
	Young people were in the vanguard of that civil rights movement, and it always has been so.
	And where climate is concerned, it's especially true because these young people are going to live longer and live with the consequences of the climate crisis longer.
	And they've studied it in school.
	They understand it, most of them, very clearly.
	In fact, I'm very proud that one of the graduates of our Climate Reality Project, Young Haven Coleman, went through our training program a few years ago in Denver at the age of 11.
	And she is one of the co-leaders of this student school strike movement in the U.S. So, he trained an 11-year-old child, like a circus animal, to talk this way and is now positioned as one of the leaders of this school strike.
	Where's Child Protective Services?
	That's a very good question, because this is not okay.
	You're training 11-year-olds in a lie.
	This is a classic maneuver.
	This is the young Nazis.
	Ha ha!
	Yes!
	The non-communist party.
	They were all the same.
	The Hitlerjugend.
	Yeah, the Hitlerjugend.
	That's what you want.
	A bunch of, I'm not going to say stupid, but yes, stupid 10 and 11-year-olds that don't know what the hell is going on because their brain hasn't fully formed.
	And you get them, you brainwash them into these, you know, you got Al Gore there and training kids to be activists.
	It's really inexcusable.
	Yeah.
	And she is one of the...
	By the way...
	His notion that it's these 10, 11-year-olds were behind the civil rights movement, which is how he started that.
	It's bullcrap.
	Just take a look at the pictures in Birmingham and elsewhere.
	There's no 10-year-olds, 11-year-olds in there.
	Yeah, he didn't say 10-year-olds.
	He said young people.
	There were young people.
	Even then, maybe there were some 19-year-olds, but young people to me is somebody under 18.
	30 more seconds on the clip.
	...training program a few years ago in Denver at the age of 11, and she is one of the co-leaders of this student school strike movement in the U.S. We just had a panel of four very young people here, and boy, are they articulate!
	And bright and persuasive.
	And programmed.
	They're passionate about this.
	And one of them said, I'm 16 years old and I'm on school strike today, but I'm warning you all, in 2020, I'm voting.
	We're coming for those of you who are not helping to solve this crisis.
	All right.
	There it is.
	Al Gore has spoken.
	They're coming for you.
	The children are coming for you.
	And they're trained.
	They're trained specialists.
	Yeah.
	Brainwashed drones.
	Sad, but so it is.
	That's our deconstruction for today.
	I think you got your value.
	I certainly feel valuable today.
	We did a lot.
	We got to the bottom of some things, more questions, but the news is not your friend.
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	I got ants.
	I don't know if you had ants.
	We had ant invasion.
	I was thinking if you desiccated a big pile of ants and then ground them to a powder like a fine grind of black pepper, we were having dinner and I got an ant somehow in the meal and I ate it.
	These things are peppery.
	I got ants.
	These ants, they don't need a lot.
	And then you just see, you find all the ones that are roaming around you.
	Although I backed them off by doing the burning trick.
	Just torch them.
	And you leave them there.
	The only ant, there are occasional moments where there's an ant that you do not torch, and that's an ant that's carrying one of the dead ants back.
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