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Do you have your gaffer tape to fix that again?
Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
It's Sunday, January 27, 2019.
This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 1107.
This is no agenda.
Spending down my carbon budget and broadcasting live from the capital of the Droomstar State here in downtown Austin Tejas in the Cladio in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
Yeah, from northern Silicon Valley, where I wouldn't be doggone, I'd be long gone.
I'm John C. DeVore.
All right, who's writing your openings now?
Sam Cooke.
That's right.
Wow, from the grave.
Sam Cooke, everybody.
Way to go.
Very nice.
Bonjour Jean-Claude.
Hello.
Bonjour to you.
Good morning to you.
Yes.
Good morning all the ships at sea.
Le matin.
Exactly.
Well, well, well.
What an interesting series of events.
Yes, again, yes.
Again, the show's over with two days of nothing but hectic excitement.
Yeah, and a lot of it resolves itself again.
I've had so many calls from our producers in D.C., although most of our producers who are really in the know of stuff They're much more interested in talking about Venezuela.
And most of them say, pay attention because, you know, that's where we're headed.
That's what it's going to be like for us.
Yeah, well, like Bernie, and that's probably true.
Bernie came out and made a big stink about this whole thing, thinking we should be back in Maduro.
I mean, come on.
Now, let's just back this up for a second.
What a fantastic...
This is a soft coup, is what I keep hearing the term?
Not if they got guys with guns.
Well, here's...
I guess it's a...
It's, you know, what's the difference between a soft coup and a hard coup?
I think what they're trying to do to Trump is more of a soft coup.
No, it's just, no, a soft coup is until the military takes over.
Oh, well, maybe.
Well, that's the definition I've heard, and I think we're very close, as my sources, sources say, sources familiar with the situation.
The United States has offered visas to all Venezuela military personnel.
Well, there has been one guy that was in the embassy or the consulate in Washington when he refused to be called back and he was a military guy.
He kind of hung out.
I actually have a clip which I think covers all of this.
It's not a bad rundown.
This is the Venezuela rundown on NBC News.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo today putting the world on notice.
Now it's time for every other nation to pick a side.
No more delays, no more games.
Pompeo urging action at a tense UN Security Council meeting to address the unfolding political and humanitarian crisis in Venezuela.
Either you stand with the forces of freedom, or you're in league with Maduro and his mayhem.
Ha!
I forgot about forces of freedom.
That's scrumptious.
Freedom brought to you by forces.
Humanitarian crisis in Venezuela.
Either you stand with the forces of freedom or you're in league with Majuro and his mayhem.
Those forces Pompeo spoke of led by 35-year-old opposition leader Juan Guaido, who this week was named interim president by the Venezuelan parliament, drawing criticism from President Nicolás Maduro, calling it an American-orchestrated coup.
Maduro tweeting, no one is going to subdue us.
We will never surrender.
The split has plunged Venezuela further into crisis.
Maduro, handpicked by former President Hugo Chavez, is largely blamed for the country's economic decline, with annual inflation rates up to 1.3 million percent, according to a study by the opposition-controlled National Assembly.
Maduro has support only from a handful of countries, including Russia and China.
More than a dozen nations are behind Guaido.
After the U.S. announced its support, Maduro lashed out, expelling American diplomats from the country.
Do not test the United States and are resolved to protect our own people.
The Trump administration maintaining a hard line.
Hands on Venezuela!
As protesters in the U.S. pick sides.
We can't be sitting here complaining about interference from abroad in our election.
Well, we're supporting someone that's essentially creating a coup.
And late word tonight, the Venezuela's highest-ranking military diplomat in Washington has broken with the Maduro regime.
I gotta tell you, man, Pompeo and whoever else was involved in this did a good job on teeing everybody up, getting 17 countries immediately to recognize Guido as the man.
I'm not quite sure who...
This is the same way Intel rolled out the Itanium.
The what?
You don't even remember this chip?
No, no.
So they had this super chip that they were going to roll out.
It's going to replace the x86 series.
Oh, okay, yeah.
And they did all this pre, you're going to be with us, you're going to be with us, you're going to be with us, we're going to do a joint announcement.
And it was very well orchestrated, probably the best ever.
But it resulted in so much embarrassment that it would never happen again quite at that level.
But that's what you do.
It's a form of marketing.
Well, of course.
That's what politics is.
It's all marketing.
There was one extra little thing about the voting machines that got Maduro re-elected.
These were a bunch of, I think, British machines.
Smartmatic.
Cybernetica.
I'm not sure if they still had Maduro in their pocket, thinking, okay, this is all good.
Here we go.
In March 2018, Smartmatic, the electoral product company which had participated in the majority of elections under the Bolivarian government, ceased operations in Venezuela, said they could no longer guarantee the validity of election results through its machines.
Uh-huh.
As if they ever could.
Well, I guess they had their outcomes pre-programmed and maybe someone got wise to it and changed that around.
But this is very important for United States oil.
And you know more about this than I do, but it's my understanding that our refiners in the U.S. like to get this Venezuelan crude to mix up with our Texas stuff.
Well, the best crude that I've ever heard of is Bolivian.
And so I have to assume that a lot of the crude down in South America is so...
The stuff is so...
The problem with crude oil is the viscosity and not so much, though, as the amount of sulfur that is in the crude.
And they had stuff coming out of Bolivia that they would run through this little refinery they created over by the Union refiner on the coast here.
I can't remember the name.
It was Pacific, I think.
And they just took nothing but – they had – the refinery was such that it didn't even need any equipment whatsoever.
Just put it through the pipes.
To take sulfur out.
And I was told by somebody when I was working up there that you could take this Bolivian crude and put it right in a diesel truck and drive it off.
Nice.
Right out of the ground?
Right out of the ground into your truck?
Yeah.
Fantastic.
But I'm assuming that this Venezuelan oil, which is right next door, is similar.
It's a really high quality product.
Right.
Yeah.
But are you familiar with the mixing, that that's what we do?
No, I don't know.
It makes sense.
Yeah.
But that's generally the way – it's not generally the way it works.
You don't mix the oils before you put them through the process because you're just causing more trouble.
It just doesn't seem sensible.
Oh.
Hmm.
If you can refine Texas crude, you can refine Texas crude.
And then you can refine the other stuff, too.
It's almost like a CMOS process.
I got this from oilprice.com.
Ever since we started pipelines, looking at pipelines, I follow a lot of energy stuff.
So I had no idea what...
What validity this has, but they said one reason Gulf Coast refiners continue to rely on imports of Venezuelan's heavy oil despite the collapsing oil production.
Venezuela has seen exports of crude oil.
Well, shit, where was it now?
I lost my place.
Anyway, the refiners needed it.
I don't know.
Well, I don't know why they need it more than they need any other oil, but maybe it has some properties that are good for some other byproducts, so who knows?
I do know this.
I was looking at the list of the countries with the most oil reserves, and Venezuela's number one.
They beat Saudi Arabia.
And for sure, what we don't want is more of these 400 consultants from Russia who have been sent in.
You know what that means?
Consultants, codename for special forces.
The Chinese are in there and they're pissed.
Because I think Venezuela owes them $40 or $50 billion for stuff that they never expected to get paid for, but hey, that's how they work.
It's like, okay, you can't pay for it.
That's ours.
So this could come to an interesting conflagration.
Yeah, that is an interesting situation.
Let's play this.
You have a long clip here from Democracy Now!, which takes a different angle on this, and I think There's some justification for some of these assertions.
But actually, let me jump to the clip right that would follow this.
But let's play the short clip first, which is Venezuela, the professor.
Okie dokie.
Hundra Velasco, let's begin with you.
Your assessment of what's taken place so far.
Are we seeing a coup in the making?
Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
There's no question, on the other hand, that the Maduro government lacks a significant amount of popular support and to a significant extent also legal legitimacy.
And as you just mentioned, I returned from a couple of weeks there just on Tuesday.
And the level of discontent, especially among popular sectors that had previously strongly supported Maduro and certainly beforehand Chavez, is palpable.
That has to do with Prices.
It has to do with public services.
However, that does not translate, and it hasn't in the past, and it's unclear whether it does now, to support for the opposition, which on its own terms has advanced, certainly with these last few moves, and has advanced an agenda that is plunging Venezuela into a tremendous degree of political and social uncertainty.
Now in the long clip, But what he's saying is that everybody's ready for this.
In the long clip, they bring something up.
I hope it's in here.
If it's not, I'll talk about it.
This whole situation of the collapsed economy in Venezuela, which the socialists are upset about because of the Bernies and the AOCs and the rest, because they would like to see something that was pure socialism actually work.
Now are they also, but please tell me that certainly Bernie has also got to be saying, hey man, maybe we shouldn't be doing these coups.
Is he talking about that at all or is he just saying leave the socialist to the socialist?
I haven't got any Bernie clips.
I do know that he's all in for Maduro.
Sure.
But let's play the overview from Democracy Now!
I alert the people that a coup is being carried out against our institutions, against our democracy, against our constitution, against our president, Nicolas Maduro, the legitimate president of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.
The Venezuelan defense minister's comment came one day after President Trump announced the U.S. would recognize opposition leader Juan Guaido as Venezuela's new president.
Guaido, the new head of Venezuela's National Assembly, declared himself president on Wednesday during a large opposition protest.
On Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo pledged to send $20 million to the Venezuelan opposition in the form of humanitarian aid to address the shortages of food and medicine caused in part by harsh U.S. sanctions.
Pompeo made the announcement while speaking at the OAS, the Organization of American States.
Right.
The regime of former President Nicolas Maduro is illegitimate.
His regime is morally bankrupt.
It's economically incompetent.
And it is profoundly corrupt.
It is undemocratic to the core.
I repeat, the regime of former President Nicolas Maduro is illegitimate.
We therefore consider all of its declarations and actions illegitimate and invalid.
Secretary of State Pompeo's speech was interrupted by Code Pink founder Medea Benjamin, who'll join us later in the broadcast.
In other developments, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has ordered the U.S. to remove all of its diplomats by Venezuela from Venezuela, but Washington is ignoring the request.
The State Department has ordered non-essential diplomats and embassy staff to leave Venezuela.
Meanwhile, Maduro has ordered all of Venezuela's diplomatic staff in the United States to return home.
The crisis is happening just weeks after Maduro was sworn into a second six-year term following his victory in an election last May that was boycotted by several of the opposition groups.
The international community remains split on the situation in Venezuela.
On Thursday, U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres urged all actors to, quote, lower tensions and pursue every effort to prevent violence and avoid any escalation.
Mexico and Uruguay have urged all sides to hold negotiations.
On Thursday, Mexico's new president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, spoke out against foreign intervention in Venezuela.
We should conduct foreign relations with the principles of non-intervention, of the self-determination of peoples, of peaceful solutions to disputes.
But many other countries in the hemisphere have joined with the United States in supporting the attempted coup.
This includes Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Argentina and Chile.
Here in the United States, the leaders of the Democratic Party have also largely supported Trump's actions.
You know, we do have a new actor on the scene who has not really come up yet in any of the news reports, although I think they could have a field day with it.
Elliot Abrams.
Do you remember Elliot Abrams?
Oh, yeah.
He was the...
Man, he was involved in Iran-Contra.
He worked for...
Yeah, he cropped up and he was, I guess...
National Security Advisor for Bush.
Trump's administration is what?
I can't remember.
I'm sorry?
Didn't he just get put into some job?
Yeah, Special Envoy for Venezuela.
Oh, right.
Like, two days ago.
Like, hello.
Yes.
And he did it on Contra.
The guy knows exactly what to do.
We're going to use local South American assets, which will be, you know, some kind of paramilitary mercenaries, and they're going to finish up the job.
Yeah, wait.
Foam finger number one!
Woo!
What they've kind of hinted at there, but if you listen to enough of it, it's important.
Whoa!
Whoa!
Did they come for you?
No, that was the...
Do we need to stop tape, John?
Are you okay?
Yeah.
If you listen to enough of these reports, am I okay?
Yeah, well, did your mic fall off?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
The problem, what it did was it knocked over my volume control, so I can barely hear you, but that's okay.
Well, no, go ahead.
Turn it up.
You can wait.
Do you have your gaffer tape to fix that again?
From the last time it happened?
There it is.
Test, test, test.
Yeah, of course, whenever this happens, it never falls on your musical instruments and destroys them forever.
That's too bad.
Never does the recorder get destroyed, ever.
Anyway, so what they're leaving out is that the United States embargoes the sanctions...
They don't work so much in Europe or places or even Russia.
I mean, they do work to a point.
But they really do work.
They worked very well in Venezuela and what made it work.
And it's the sanctions that brought the economy down over there.
And what really did the trick was they told Sitco, which is owned by Venezuela.
It's their...
outlet for the refined products, gas stations all over the place.
So when you're putting Sitco gasoline in your car, you're using Venezuelan crude as the base.
You're actually a commie when you use it.
So when you were, so they told Sitco because of the sanctions, they couldn't send any of the money back to Venezuela, all the profits from the gas station.
Right, so it stayed here?
Yeah.
We are so good at this.
Well, it's true.
It's really, well, here's the thing.
But what's the alternative?
If some people would bring up the fact that we don't play fair, and this particular trick, which was a good one, Just to freeze the assets.
I mean, we're not stealing the money, let's put it that way.
It still belongs to Sitco, but it can't leave the country.
And that is like over a billion dollars that Venezuela could probably use.
But no, they don't even have access to it.
The way I see this is it's kind of a non-starter choice.
Either we do it, or Russia does it, or the Chinese do it.
Somebody's going to do it.
It is in South America.
It's kind of close to us.
So I understand the thinking.
It doesn't make me feel much better about the New World Order.
But I do understand where they're coming from.
Yeah, it's our...
We have...
This is ours.
It's our turf, kind of.
It's like...
That's where you can see why China gets so upset about us dicking around in Southeast Asia and places like that.
Because that should be their turf.
We would be very irked if...
The Chinese were, although they are very involved in Brazil, but now that we got our guy in, in Brazil, another pet peeve of democracy now and the socialists, that may be ending and we may have some better relationships with...
That's why Brazil jumped on board with us on this Venezuela thing.
Ah, yes.
So Bolsonaro is going to be likely to be a good ally to us, and he may, you know, help us fend off the Chinese.
So here's what I'm going to predict, because this is much bigger than just Venezuela, of course.
I think that we're going to see a deal with China, Trump and Xi, very soon to smooth over whatever those guys, the Chinese, need in Venezuela for their investments.
I think that this may be a leveraging point.
That Trump would use to get the trade agreements in place.
It feels like that's what's going to happen.
Russia, I have no idea what they're doing other than...
I don't think Russia cares too much about this.
They got 400 special forces in their oil.
I'd like to know what's going on.
Whenever someone sends in consultants, you know what that means.
They had gold mining rights, the Russians.
In fact, they received it not even too long ago, I think.
Oh, that might be what it is.
It could be gold.
Let me see.
Yeah, Venezuela gave Russia permission to mine gold, which is another issue that's wrapped up in all of this.
Well, Russia is maybe just sending people in to protect their gold assets.
That's possible.
But the Chinese, they're really irked about it.
So are the Venezuelans, actually.
I hear they're not too happy with what's going on.
Yeah.
But some of them, I think that professor that was at the first clip I played, or one of the early clips, who is, I think he's Venezuelan, and he teaches, talks about this.
It's the upper classes of Venezuela that have been When Chavez was running the place, he kept them happy.
Maduro has not, and he's run them out of town, basically, made them...
That's part of the three million people that can afford to leave the country.
There's a lot of poor people, but there's also many of the upper class and intellectual class in the country was forced out.
And once you lose that group, it could be problematic because they have a lot of influence in other...
And that's what I think is part of what's going on.
Now, I also have the feeling that the president, the Trump, knew nothing about this or was very unaware of it and just, hmm.
Does that make any sense?
It's possible that he just, you know, Pompeo, it might be his, because he's ex-CIA. It seems his baby.
Yeah, of course.
I mean, this is what CIA does.
And that may not be so coincidental that we also have this Roger Stone fracas, which is dominating the news.
I would say the ratio of Venezuela-Roger Stone news is Venezuela 1 stone 9, just in weight of what attention it's given.
Oh yeah, that and another, at least as much as Stone coverage, was the Trump-caved coverage.
Yeah.
You got Trump caved, you got Roger Stone, you got all this very kind of almost Hollywood Tonight style of stories versus Venezuela.
Yeah, exactly, which is a real story.
Yeah, it's the only real story.
Yeah.
But it's not as entertaining as you'll find when we get to the...
Yes.
Stone stuff.
Well, what else do you have on Venezuela?
Because that's about all I've got.
Well, I've got the quickie.
I've already actually been played.
Well, what is the endgame?
What is the endgame for Venezuela?
We have to shut Maduro up.
Everyone has to accept Guido Bama.
Once we've accepted him, then we can start doing the deals and making the Chinese whole and give the Russians whatever mining contracts they want.
That seems like it would be something to that order.
As long as we control the oil, you know, like Iraq, what could possibly go wrong?
Well, I would like to know what triggered this because we know that this is pretty much the story of the book Economic Hitman.
Yes.
Economic Hitman, which is one of the, I think...
Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
Yeah, Confessions of an Economic Hitman is one of the primary books that the show uses for theory.
The first book, the first version of it, not the re-release after he got compromised.
Now, as the story goes, it was Chavez who wouldn't play ball with us.
And what that means is, I guess, turn over half the country to the United States' interests.
And he just wasn't going to do it, and they tried to kill him, and then he ran off all the journalists and everybody out of the country because they were all a bunch of stooges for the CIA. And then he took firm control of the country.
And at some point, we kind of gave up.
Hmm.
We let Citgo in.
Citgo still has all these gas stations and nobody does anything about that.
But we kind of gave up on it.
And then when he handpicked Maduro to take over, I think that's when they put those whatever section in the...
These agencies, intelligence agencies, were working on Chavez's problem.
They started up again.
It took them about this long to get to this.
It took six years because Maduro's been in for six years.
He just got re-elected.
So six years have gone by and now we've decided to ramp it up again.
So Sinovenza is a crude oil producer in Venezuela.
And in September, The announcement came that Maduro said they'd sold 9.9% of Sinovisa to the Chinese National Petroleum Corporation, who after that owned 49% of Sinovisa.
So that's a problem.
The Chinese will have a real issue with that.
Well, that's probably what triggered the whole thing.
That would be the catalyst, wouldn't it?
They wouldn't sell anything to us because we're trying to get in there.
Yeah.
And they're telling us to pound sand, and so they let the Chinese waltz in and take 50% of the main refiner?
Yeah, over the past 10 years, China's invested...
That's more than an issue with us.
China invested over $50 billion in Venezuela in oil for loan agreements, securing energy supplies for its fast-growing economy.
Right.
Okay, so that would be the issue right there.
And I think China's a little too far from home to get around us now.
God, this is so evil.
It's great.
It's evil.
It's just evil.
Yeah, but what's the evil part?
Oh, just how the world works.
Well, it's nothing new to us, but if people really understood, you know, just take a random college kid.
He said, hey, you know, this is actually how it still kind of works.
I think they would, I mean, they can't even handle a red hat.
They can't even handle a red hat.
I mean, just listen.
White privilege.
White privilege.
Yeah.
It's just nothing changes.
Nothing changes.
It's all the same.
One thing changed.
Well, little.
No, one big thing.
No, China.
No, the college kids are stupid.
Yeah.
They certainly are getting an interesting education.
That's for sure.
That's for sure.
Coming out to be stupid.
So I guess that makes sense, that the joint venture and the sale giving China 49% of their crude company is a problem.
I mean, China has every right to do that and every right to have that commerce, but I guess for us it's just we just can't handle that.
So we have to go down and mess everything up.
We don't trust the Chinese.
No, they're not to be trusted.
Just look at your individual interactions with them.
The Chinese believe that everyone's space is everyone, so get out of my space.
It's my space.
It's your space.
They don't care whose space it is.
They're rude.
They think it's funny when they can steal something from us.
I'm not saying anything else, and that's how Chinese are.
That is their culture.
And they admit it.
Well, that's why they have such harsh penalties.
In China for what we would think of as simple infractions.
Right.
They hang some guy.
Yeah.
And it still doesn't help.
Well, with that one guy, it might.
Sorry?
Well, if they hang one guy, for that one guy, it might change, but not for everybody else.
Okay.
All right.
Now what?
We're getting closer to what's going on.
But it's going to fall apart.
This is just a...
This is a coup and we're going to...
This looks like one that the agency or whoever's behind the actual activities is not going to botch.
It looks like it won't be botched.
No.
I also think it's not necessarily the Central Intelligence Agency.
I think this is the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency.
I don't know where you get that from.
Maybe I can't tell you where I got it from.
But why?
I don't care where you got it from, but what would be the rationale?
They've grown their capabilities way beyond what CIA does.
They are the true spy agency now, in my humble estimation.
Because they're looking from space.
They got everything going.
And they changed their name from National Geospatial Agency to National Geospatial Intelligence Agency.
Gives you a clue.
Really?
Space Force.
Space Force.
Just think of all these things.
Think of all these things coming together.
Space Force!
They have incredible capabilities.
And I think it may go beyond space.
Yeah, but why would they...
Because they're military intelligence.
Who's running the show?
Is the CIA running the show?
I don't think CIA is running any show anymore.
Yeah, the Roger Stone show.
That's what they're running.
Well, let's talk about the Roger Stone show.
Yeah, who pops up after months of being quiet?
Months.
He's not anywhere to be found.
Roger Stone gets arrested.
Who pops up?
Who?
Brennan!
I didn't see Brennan.
He may have propped up to you.
I didn't see one instance of Brennan anywhere.
Right there on the Morning Joe's.
Mr.
Director, good to see you.
I know you haven't read through the indictment.
We're still reading through it ourselves.
But what's your initial reaction to the arrest of Roger Stone?
The term that's being used is unsurprising.
Everybody was expecting this.
Roger Stone was expecting it as well.
But like many people in the Trump orbit, Mr.
Stone has an established track record of being unethical and unprincipled.
And now this is catching up with him.
And now a seven-count indictment, I think, is a very serious one.
Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Start the clip over and tell me that everybody in this discussion admitted that they didn't read the indictment.
Oh, no, this keeps going.
Oh, I didn't read it.
Of course they all read it.
He's liars.
He's liars.
I read it.
It comes back.
I didn't read it.
It comes back in a moment.
So instead of starting it over, I'll just continue.
It comes back.
You're absolutely right about that.
But it shows that the special counsel's office is uncovering the evidence it needs.
And so, just like Mr.
Stone's indictment, I'm not going to be surprised by the other indictments that are going to be coming down the pike very soon.
Roger Stone has said recently, I will never testify against Donald Trump.
Do you think that calculus has changed this morning?
I think it's changing and will change.
If he decides to go down for Mr.
Trump, it's going to be his loss.
But I think there are many people who have that position and then change it very quickly when, as we said, the federal guidelines, sentencing guidelines, tend to sink into them.
So he shows up, all of a sudden, just after months of being very quiet, says he hasn't, I'll come on the air, sure, I mean, I've been so busy having that time, but for Roger Stone, I think I got this massive importance, nothing about Venezuela, no, no, no, just about Roger Stone.
So what exactly are these indictments?
I know you haven't read the indictment, but oh my gosh, what are these indictments and what crimes?
Who else is going to get indicted?
How many more indictments would you expect among the senior Trump campaign officials?
Listen to him laughing.
How many more indictments would you expect among the senior Trump campaign officials that are referenced in here?
Stone told senior Trump campaign officials about materials possessed by Organization One WikiLeaks.
So that's in the multiple.
And then also, there is a Trump supporter that Stone was interfacing with about the WikiLeaks drop.
Well, I expect that probably within the next 60 days you're going to have a fair number of indictments.
A fair?
A fair number.
A significant number of indictments.
Significant.
I think people are waiting for the report that is coming out from Bob Mueller, but what I look for most is the indictments, and it's so rich in detail.
To me, I think all of these indictments are going to be basically the compendium.
Ooh, compendium!
Really?
So all these indictments that he has of process crimes, pretty much, and crimes outside of the scope, you know, for tax evasion, that's going to be the compendium, i.e.
he's going to have a binder filled with all these indictments and that will be the report.
It's the compendium.
Sounds like a great work product.
And you've got the right term.
They're processed crimes.
Exactly.
As they were processing, the crimes took place.
But let's listen to non-reading indictment people.
I expect there to be a significant number and a significant number of names that are going to be quite familiar to the average American.
Woo!
Everybody who has a name familiar with the American people, be on alert!
You're warned!
Brandon, as you kind of watched the Mueller dominoes fall, and you said, uh, more to come very, very soon, who's the next domino?
I'm going to jump into the green here.
Who's the next domino?
I don't know.
See, he teases.
He sits there like, oh, big names.
What names?
Oh, I don't know.
Speculate.
Give me a question.
No, I'm not going to speculate.
No, because people are innocent until alleged to be involved in some type of criminal activity.
Wait, wait, wait.
People are innocent until alleged to be involved in some kind of criminal activity.
Just listen to the new laws of the nation, please.
Wow, that is the clip of the day that you caught that.
Let's listen to it again.
Now you've got to ISO that.
People are innocent until they're alleged.
I'm not going to speculate, no.
Because, you know, people are innocent until, you know, alleged to be involved in some type of criminal activity.
Clip of the day.
You're not innocent until you're proven guilty.
No, until it's alleged.
Not innocent until you're alleged.
This is the former director of CIA who has this high...
Muslim.
It has nothing to do with if he's a Muslim or not.
You're just pissed at him now.
I'm not going to speculate, no, because people are innocent until alleged to be involved in some type of criminal activity.
Director Brennan, I notice in leafing through this indictment, we've only just gotten it, that it appears Roger Stone is only indicted for things that happened after the investigation began.
But you said an investigation was underway.
Sounds like someone was able to read the indictment.
I mean, it sounds like no one read it, and then this guy read it, and okay.
An investigation began, but you said an investigation was underway back in 2016.
Can we read from this indictment that the special counsel's office believes that what Roger Stone did in 2016 before he committed these lying to investigators or whatever, that that was all legal?
No.
Again, I haven't read the indictment.
And I know that in the summer of 2016, I had numerous conversations with Jim Comey about what was happening in terms of what the Russians were doing, what was being pushed out publicly, how they got access to the information, who might have facilitated the release of information.
And so whether or not Roger Stone was involved in any of that, again, I defer to the special counsel's office, but it was an ongoing, very intense investigation at that time to see what U.S. persons or officials might have been working with the Russians, either wittingly or unwittingly, to interfere in the election.
And pay attention to the words wittingly or unwittingly.
They will be very important.
I'm convinced of it.
It crops up with Brennan.
But the person who initially used it in a lie was Clapper, who was asked if the NSA ever has any kind of eavesdropping on American citizens.
And he lied and he said, well, no, at least not wittingly.
What is the exact...
Definition of wittingly.
I'm going to change calling him a Muslim to calling him a Salafist.
Okay.
Okay.
Which is a sect.
Yes.
That is the radical one, and I don't think we have one Salafist who listens to the show, maybe, but I'm sure he doesn't donate.
So I'll just stay with that.
Salafist.
Because he has to be a Salafist.
He supposedly went through the process in Saudi Arabia, which is a Wahhabist, generally speaking, which is a Salafist offshoot.
So, yeah.
Merriam-Webster, definition of wittingly is...
Oh, it's interesting.
Chiefly dialectal.
Huh.
I'm not sure why that strikes me as odd that that props up as the...
So it means that you knowingly did something, but it talks about dialectal.
I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to interpret that.
That means yes or no.
So it's a dialectic.
Pure yes or no.
Okay.
So wittingly or unwittingly.
Yeah.
It's that term.
I hear these terms.
They pop up once in a while.
I'm hearing one from Roger Stone, which he started off with his first getting arrested right after the arrest.
I have...
I have the CNN, the live stuff in like about a minute.
Oh, when they actually, when CNN got tipped off that he was going to be...
It's not even tipped off.
I mean, first of all, they call it exclusive because it's exclusive.
They're sitting there.
They're waiting.
They know what's happening.
This is part of the setup.
Everybody involved in this from the Mueller side, and I'm sure Brennan knew as well, this was set up.
Listen...
This is just remarkable.
It's just remarkable to watch, you know, what they call...
Okay, that's it.
FBI, open the door.
And now they're about to say another warning.
She sure seems to know what's happening.
FBI warrant.
This is called, you know, the grab shot in the vernacular.
Is that true?
I've never heard of the grab shot in the television vernacular.
But I guess they have it.
Have you ever heard of this, the grab shot?
No, I haven't, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist in some news organizations.
You've never heard this before.
It is remarkable to watch this all unfold.
You can see Roger Stone right there, a little bit behind that door.
Hold on a second.
Stop before you go on.
It's six in the morning.
They brought their SWAT team out, a bunch of tanks and armored vehicles, you know.
All kinds of stuff.
And they're pounding on your door.
I don't know about you, but at six in the morning, if I'm sleeping, I'm in a back bedroom or I'm someplace, you know, I don't know how big that house was.
But I can't pop up and open the door.
It would take me five minutes or longer.
And they didn't give him five minutes.
I'm surprised that he got to the door as fast as he did.
I have no idea.
I mean, the whole thing is sketchy.
You heard Brennan say even Roger Stone knew this was going to happen.
He said it right at the beginning of the first clip.
Roger Stone knew it was going to happen.
Everybody knew it was going to happen.
So I guess that means no surprise.
Let's listen to the rest of this.
You know, standard operating procedure for the FBI to show up heavily armed.
In riot gear.
Like this.
But they didn't do this for other people connected in the investigation.
So it is remarkable that they did this with him.
What?
They didn't do that for, uh, what's his face?
For, uh...
Mueller?
No.
Manafort?
Manafort!
Didn't they do the exact same thing?
I think it was done procedurally different.
First, they busted into his place at 3 in the morning to just go through his papers.
Oh, okay.
And then I think they arrested him, but they didn't arrest him with the armored vehicles and the flak jackets on, as though it was going to be a firefight.
But they didn't do this for other people connected in the investigation.
So it is remarkable that they did this without warning, without any indication to Stone's lawyers beforehand that this would happen.
We don't know also if they executed a search warrant on that.
I mean, as Ann just told us, the reason they do that is because they fear that the person's going to be at flight risk, so they want to do it under the cover of darkness with a surprise, or they think that there's so much evidence inside the room, inside the house, that they don't want to give anybody a lead time, a heads up to try to hide some of that evidence.
So that's what we just watched this morning.
All right, let me, if you wouldn't mind, I'll try and piece together what I've discussed with some of our DC producers over the past couple of days.
Because this really is just show.
It's all for show.
And what the ultimate reason is, is either this is some kind of endgame, which means, well, you heard that the compendium of this type of activity would be Mueller's report.
It's very possible that the fall guy for all of the non-provable collusion Trump stuff could be Roger Stone.
It's very conceivable.
He's also the perfect guy for it, if you think about it.
He's a villain.
He's creepy.
He's got all the elements that could be used as, oh, well, clearly this guy was no good.
We've got to get rid of him.
Here's what I understood.
We have to take a couple basic principles of the No Agenda show into account.
One, there is a continuous war between military intelligence and central intelligence.
And central intelligence or military intelligence, either one of them will quote-unquote run the president.
So, of course, Bush Sr., probably Bush Jr., it's all CIA, Obama, CIA. For sure, Trump has been DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency.
You want to say something?
I was just going to say you left out Clinton.
I'm not sure about Clinton.
I'd probably CIA. I wouldn't think it would be anything else.
That's what I would think, because he was running drugs.
That's what they do.
Okay, so you need to take that into account.
Now, you also have to know about Roy Cohn.
Does this name ring a bell?
Yeah, Roy Cohn is the old lawyer that was...
He was McCarthy's lawyer.
He was the advisor on the McCarthy trials, getting rid of communism.
Yeah.
He was also a kick-ass...
Attorney in New York.
Yes.
And he was in all the bathhouses with Roger Stone, with, you'll love this, Bolton.
What's his face?
John Bolton.
John Bolton.
Gay, gay stuff.
Gay bathhouses.
George W. Bush.
And as mentor, and who knows what else, to Donald Trump.
And Roger Stone.
So this is like this gay cabal going on in the 70s, pre-AIDS, mind you.
And so everybody knows each other and there's a lot of stuff going on.
There's always this weird, kinky sex stuff that gets everybody in trouble.
But Roger Stone has always been an intelligence person like CIA, FBI. Just look at his history with Nixon.
So we know what he's doing.
We know what his ties are to intelligence, or were, or if they're still there, I don't know.
Now, where does Roger Stone work?
Roger Stone, right now, his only gig or his prominent gig is Infowars, Alex Jones.
You have to be of the belief that Alex Jones is quite possibly, his rise came through the Defense Intelligence Agency.
It's not like they're sitting there writing him checks, but yeah, I think there's ways that they can make that happen.
And so, as a dialectic, I guess.
So there's, you know, you have your alternative media, which should be going, Jones had been doing this for 15 years.
Austin, Texas is definitely military intelligence.
Stratford, all these places.
Bobby Inman lives here.
Yeah, but he's CIA. Bobby Inman is still ultimately military.
He's a military guy.
I think he's Navy.
Okay, but military.
We just got the Air Force, you know, the Future Command coming in with billions of dollars.
This is not an accident.
Austin is military, military intelligence.
And I would say it's not out of the realm of possibility to think that Alex Jones came to rise after his cable show with the Internet through military intelligence maneuvering.
Things just seemed to work for him.
Okay.
Wait, I want you to continue your thinking and this thought, but I want to throw just a random clip in because what you said fits in with the ISO I was selecting for the end of the show.
It's a two-second clip.
Okay, okay.
Roger, there is a war on alternative media.
There's a war on alternative media.
Oh, for sure.
For sure.
And the problem is Roger Stone.
And again, this is just what I've pieced together and, you know, I'm shooting from the hip but with some input from our producer.
So you kind of have to take these assumptions into account.
So we have this military intelligence Alex Jones thing running along.
And then all of a sudden we get Roger Stone involvement.
And this is a big problem because this is like the enemy coming into the camp.
Why is he there?
And there's also all this weird gay sex stuff going on with Roger Stone.
And just look around and see what's going on with Alex Jones and Stone and a couple other people.
At Infowars, I can't accuse anybody of anything, but you can kind of think there may be something odd happening.
So Roger Stone is not only a problem for the Defense Intelligence Agency, but for CIA as well.
It's like we can't have these guys working together, doing pillow talk, I don't know.
Look, this is what I've been told.
Now, what happens?
I don't know if it's coincidental that Tim Cook is gay, but he's the first one to deplatform Alex Jones.
Some message goes out, this has to stop.
This guy has to stop.
We've got to stop the stone thing.
We've warned Alex Jones.
Boom, he's gone.
And it just continued.
It just kept on going.
So this is the next step, because they really have nothing on him.
Yeah, they got some, oh, he lied about this or that.
There's really nothing involving Trump.
Oh, it's great to read the indictment.
I want to mention a few things as an aside.
In there, they keep talking about how he...
Told some guy to lie, one of his buddies to lie to Congress when all he did, and it's very clear in the indictment, was tell him to plead the fifth.
Yes.
That's not telling somebody to lie.
That's not telling someone to lie, no.
So what I think you're seeing here is a very easy fall guy.
Maybe we can say, well, at the time this Venezuela stuff is happening, why don't we just drop Roger Stone into the meat-grinding machine that is the M5M cable news media and Twitter and everything, and just let it chop up and let the blood and the guts and the bone pieces fly around while we're off there making our deal in Venezuela.
And let this be part of the compendium.
And to then have Brennan, not to come out for the Venezuela story, no.
Brennan comes out after Roger Stone is swatted for an indictment.
Of course, he didn't even have to pay an actual bail amount.
He just signed and he walked out.
So all of a sudden we have the former director of CIA. After months of missing in action, he pops up.
It's obvious.
And I would say, anyone near Alex Jones, go away.
You should back away from the operation.
I don't think that's going to end very well.
Well, that's a good thesis.
Now, let's listen to the fourth...
The third clip I have on Brennan, and it's a good question from the Morning Joe people.
It's kind of leaning as well.
With these indictments, what is the story Bob Mueller is trying to tell us?
What's the story, as you see it, that Mueller has begun to tell with the public information that we have?
That there was an extensive effort to try to influence the outcome of the election that involved the Russians, that involved U.S. persons, and that may have gone to the very top of the Trump campaign.
And so I think the shoes that are yet to drop are going to be the ones that are going to be the most profound and that will hit the people at the top of the organization.
Top of the organization, meaning Donald Trump?
Maybe, may not.
Including family members?
Well, I think, you know, clearly they have been talked to or they've been interviewed by the FBI. I think there is a fair amount of vulnerability that they might have on this.
But again, I defer to the special counsel's office to make the determination about whether what they did crossed that threshold from collusion, which I think is quite evident, to criminal conspiracy.
What?
It's whether or not it's past that threshold that is going to lead into an indictment of individuals that are close to Mr.
Trump, that are part of his family, or others.
I want to be very clear about what I was saying earlier about the gay cabal.
Again, go look up Roy Cohn, C-O-H-N. Look at what he did.
Look at where he came from.
He's a Jew.
He's a Jew.
Self-hating Jew.
Homophobic gay guy.
It's an incredible story.
Self-loathing is the term.
Self-loathing.
Okay, self-loathing.
Loathing, yes.
You understood what I was saying.
The bathhouses, and it was Trump, Bolton, who is oddly right there in the Trump cabinet.
Lord knows why.
Maybe we figured it out.
Roger Stone, George W. Bush.
And if you doubt me, go look for the Washington Post front page story about my uncle, my uncle, Donald Gregg.
Giving midnight tours in the White House to gay prostitutes for President George H. Walker Bush.
I mean, this is not like a big thing I'm making up here.
This is well-known, but never really discussed because, you know, it's always the sex stuff that brings these people down every single time.
They can't keep it in their pants.
Yeah, they're bored.
Yeah, that's probably a part of it.
Well, I have a bunch of Roger clips that I thought were worth going through.
Good, good, good.
Now, he went on Tucker immediately after the arrest.
And it was one of these moments on Tucker where, although Tucker's always got this kind of flabbergasted look on his face all the time with the kind of mouth open.
It's like, just kind of like, oh my God, am I hearing what I'm hearing?
It's a sad dog.
That look.
And so, but it's one of those times where Tucker wasn't like trying to be Trying to start a fight or anything.
He was actually letting Stone go on and on so he could display that look of, oh my God.
He's taking it a little further.
He's kind of like, you're so sad.
It's, oh my God, this is horrible.
I can't believe this is happening.
That's, you know, it's bankrupting you.
That's the take he's...
Tucker is very compromised in his own way.
I'm a little disappointed in some of the stuff he's doing, but okay.
But he did get stoned on and nobody else did.
And so let's start with the Roger on Tucker on Arrest A clip.
When he's the only one that has stone on, no one else did, that's when you want to ask questions.
Oh yeah, no, I understand.
Okay.
And we saw the very large number of armed federal agents bringing you out of the house.
Is there something we don't know?
Do you have an arsenal at home?
Had you made threats against prosecutors, threats of violence?
I mean, is there context that we don't have?
No.
First of all, it's disconcerting that CNN was aware that I would be arrested before my lawyers were informed.
That's disturbing.
If it was a dangerous situation, which would merit the SWAT team, well, then CNN's cameraman would be in danger.
I don't know why they would be allowed to be there.
By the way, good point if you watch the video.
The cameramen are like right up in their grill.
It's not like a huge distance shot.
They're in the bushes.
They're off to the left.
A fair point about it being a big setup.
I had no firearm in the house.
I don't have a permit for a firearm.
I don't own a firearm.
Things I would never say on television.
It's like, wow!
No, that's something...
Let's go rob that guy.
You just don't admit these things.
For a firearm, I don't own a firearm.
Only my wife, my two dogs, and my three cats were at home.
I'm not a flight risk.
In fact, I think my passport has expired or it will expire in a few days.
I have no record of criminal pasts.
And frankly, they just could have contacted my attorney and I would have voluntarily turned myself in.
The proof of this is that only hours later, the judge granted me a $250,000 surety bond, meaning on my signature with no funds put forward, because I'm not a flight risk.
And as far as the government's contention that they were concerned that I would destroy evidence, they've been in my email and my text messages and my phone calls for two years.
Probably longer because the New York Times reported on January 20th, 17, that I was among three people in the Trump campaign under active surveillance.
Believe me, a lot of people were reading his email and listening to his phone, not just one agency.
Well, that brings up this clip here.
This is the Roger Warren press clip, which is kind of an interesting...
This was...
Probably scripted between him and Tucker, but it's pretty good.
So it's clear from reading the indictment, and you've been saying it for at least a year, that the feds were spying on your texts.
There's no question about it.
I don't think there's any question.
I agree, based on the indictment that they released today.
So, given that they're reading all of your texts, you text with a huge, I happen to know, a huge number of journalists, including me, and some of them, you know, work for CNN, even maybe.
All of those texts were being read by a federal prosecutor.
What do you think those journalists, some of whom are talking about this case right now on TV, think of that?
Well, you know, that's the amazing thing, is the press is not coming out and standing up against this war against free expression.
This war against the First Amendment, which is really a war against the press.
Well, it's flabbergasting, really.
Why would the press do it?
I can't believe they're not fighting against this.
He goes on with this thesis, I think, or just probably before that last clip, because that was near the end, but play Roger on the war on free speech.
The charges against you, which are primarily for lying to Congress.
And one of the things that you're accused of lying to Congress about is whether or not there was any evidence.
You had evidence of communication between you and an intermediary and Julian Assange.
Did you lie about that?
Again, given that you knew that they had your electronic communications and would know the answer already, wouldn't that be a stupid thing to lie about?
What is this charge about?
Yes, it's really simple.
I did forget that I had text messages from an old cell phone that were entirely exculpatory, which proved that everything I had said about Credico being my source regarding the significance and the October release date Of the WikiLeaks material was accurate.
I believe he lied to the grand jury about that.
That's been reported.
But he appears not to be being prosecuted for perjury.
But I forgot exculpatory information and therefore I will.
If anybody had bothered To read my website, The Stone Cold Truth, they would know that I've basically refuted and documented the refutation of virtually every charge in this indictment.
The indictment is thin indeed.
So what is this about?
It's about silencing me.
There's a war on alternative media.
There's a war where they're trying to criminalize political expression.
There's a war where they're trying to criminalize free speech.
I like that.
Two of our producers independently said to me, nothing in this world ever happens by accident.
And I think that makes a lot of sense in this case.
And, you know, Roger Stone, it may just be the Hail Mary for Mueller.
Like, use this guy.
Everything about him is wrong.
Yeah, it could be a Hail Mary.
That's a very interesting idea.
But one of the things, I've got one more clip I'll play, the other one's not that important, which is him whining about going broke, which probably is good.
He might be, he might be.
Yeah, but, you know, he can come back.
And it is kind of a shame that the system can just break somebody, but they can't.
This is his use of the term, and he used it a lot when he first got arrested, and he's going to continue to use it.
And he's either using it to send a message to some Christians who are going to be told to testify or something.
Yes, I like that idea.
So he uses this term over and over.
He never says the word lie.
He uses the term, and this clip has an example of it, of bearing false witness.
The efforts to shut down my show at Infowars, the efforts to silence Alex Jones, who's one of my greatest supporters and proponents, are part of this war.
So I intend to plead not guilty.
I believe I will be vindicated.
It's funny to watch Preet Bharara on CNN say, this is a slam dunk, calls me a liar.
Here's a guy who a federal judge lashed for lying in the William Walton case.
You're the liar, Preet.
And then watching reporters jump to conclusions, Tucker, and say, oh, well, the Trump campaign official who directed Stone to find out about WikiLeaks was Donald Trump.
No, it was not.
There are several things in here in the indictment that are simply not true.
So who was it, if it wasn't the president?
Who is...
Well, I have to speculate about that, because since it never happened, it appears to me that they have composed testimony for someone.
Perhaps Rick Gates, perhaps Steve Bannon, perhaps someone is bearing false witness against me.
But knowing what's in my email and my text messages, there is no corroboration whatsoever for this.
Yeah, you know, there's so much more when it comes to specifically these guys in Florida.
And Broward County and Sheriff Scott Israel from the school that got shot up, Roger Stone, good friends with him, Trump, Mar-a-Lago, Maxwell, the member of the billionaire with his daughter who then, you know, all these sex cults.
It's a mess.
And Trump is in it.
He's in the middle of this sex mess in Florida, and I think there's Epstein.
All of this stuff, the more you look, the more you want to look away.
And I think Stone really had to be...
He's probably lucky they did it this way, to be honest.
I think he's such a talker.
He has so much information.
He's a real liability for all parties.
All parties.
See, none of the truth can really come out about any of this.
Because all of that stuff has to come up.
Again, just coincidental that the Miami Herald does this huge expose on Epstein.
Broward County, up in arms with all these different things.
Yes?
Stone said in one of his interviews, he said that he's looking forward to this case, actually going forward, because this is where a lot of money gets chewed up, too.
He says he wants to see what they have on him in Discovery.
Uh-huh.
And they're going to start asking the movie.
The thing, these cases don't get resolved and people are like, there's some guy on NBC going, he's going to be guilty for sure because these indictments are well written.
Ha!
And I'm listening to this clown.
He's the MSNBC legal analyst, once the chief of the DEA. And he's one of these tough guys who talks like this.
And he went on and on about this.
And I'm thinking, I doubt it.
Because for one thing, the indictment is lame.
And very lame.
And it's going to open up a can of worms if it actually goes to trial.
I think you're probably right.
You indict him.
Have him sign the surety bond, go home, and now he has to shut up, especially because he's going to plead not guilty, I'm sure of that.
Sure, sure.
Because he doesn't want to bear false witness against the president.
And so he's going to – but then it just stays there like that, and he can't do anything.
He can't go talking because it's all going to be – he just can't – it shuts him up.
And all the intelligence community doesn't like what Stone is doing.
Don't like these kind of people.
You know, they like drinking.
No drugs.
Booze and women.
That's the intelligence community.
We don't do any of the crazy bathhouse stuff.
Everyone wanted this guy out of the way.
I'm telling you, he's lucky to be alive, in my opinion.
And he may just be the fall guy.
This is why Brennan comes out and says, oh, it's the compendium here.
It's all going to come together.
And for those of you who tune out after we say goodbye and don't listen to the end of show mixes, I'll give you a little tease of what Sir Chris Wilson has put together there down under.
How does it feel?
Yeah, how does it feel to be dragged from your home?
And to the black man you're from, like a Roger Stone.
I mean, do we have the best producers or do we have the best producers?
Yeah, well, we do have the best producers.
And with that, I'd like to thank them, but also like to thank you, and say in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for...
A crude Texas tea, Dvorak.
Well, in the morning to you, Mr.
Adam Curry.
Also in the morning to all the ships that see boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the names of nights out there.
In the morning to the troll room, noagendastream.com, which is now pretty much 24-7, a great place to hang out.
This morning, Void Zero did a little musical show.
People are doing more and more live stuff, more producers getting on the stream.
It's heating up.
We like that.
So thank you for joining us this morning.
Also in the morning to Mike Riley who brought us the artwork through the No Agenda Art Generator for episode 1106.
The title of that was Smart Wall and we could not have been more timely with that because that's pretty much exactly the only words people were talking about the wall for the two days after that show.
And this was the GPOAT, the Goat Power, the greatest podcast of all time with the ram's horn on the front.
Just a nice piece of art.
And there were other fun pieces, but they didn't have the composition.
They just didn't have...
It just popped.
Well, it popped Major League.
Yeah, it really popped.
Mike, thank you very much.
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Inexcusable.
Alright.
How'd we do on value for value today?
Well, we got a few people that came in big.
Oh, okay.
You said that two times now.
Yeah, I decided I should admit that the show's word of the show.
No, I really don't think so.
Do you not think so bigly?
No, I think it sounds lamely.
Dear John, starts the note, from...
Dame Kathy and Sir Greg.
Oh.
This baroness of the Fox River Valley.
Aren't they in Sammamish?
And baron of the Chicago Portage.
And where are they in...
Why am I thinking they're in Sammamish?
They're in West Chicago.
Oh, okay.
All right.
And they came up with $700.
Holy crap.
It's $350.
This is the whole family, right?
This Dame Kathy and Sir Greg.
The family of barons.
That's fantastic.
It's royalty in Chicago.
It is West Chicago.
West.
It's a different town.
It is our considered opinion that you deserve Clip of the Day for President Truth last Sunday.
Let me read that again.
Because I didn't read it with the right emphasis.
It is our considered opinion that you, John, deserved Clip of the Day for President Truth last Sunday.
So her request for jingle for the $700 donation is that you play Clip of the day jingle, even though it won't count.
No, I won't do that.
What?
No, I won't do that.
For a $700 donation from two barons?
I'll play just the clip so we can just listen to the clip.
Does it refer to anything?
No, you said I have to play the clip of the day jingle.
Yeah.
This wasn't clip of the day.
I know, but you're not playing it for the clip of the day.
You're just playing it gratuitously as the requested clip.
No, I'll do it, but I have a real problem with it.
I feel that this is the beginning of the end, if that's how it's going to go.
It'd be a great end.
Oh, that's true.
True.
You got a point.
Clip of the day.
And then give them some karma.
Bye.
Oh, they want that too.
Yeah.
You're the number one donors today.
What do you got against them?
What do you hate them?
You don't like Chicago?
Clip of the day is something sacred that only you or I could hand out.
And there's plenty of time.
Because you know what will happen?
I'm telling you what's going to happen.
Every single day.
Oh, you should have had clip of the day.
Give him clip of the day.
Everyone has an opinion on clip of the day.
Here's the karma.
You've got Carmen.
I have principles.
I feel it's selling out.
But I'm going to ask that the following take place.
I feel it's selling out.
Any donation of $700 by anyone can request that you play that jingle for whatever reason.
Okay, deal.
Yeah.
Not 701, not 699, 7.
Yeah, seven even.
Okay.
All right, that's acceptable.
Your feeling is going to push us off.
I am predicting we'll get not even one more of these requests.
Your predictions are kind of iffy lately.
I do have my ups and downs.
But that prediction that we will hold, you watch, we will not see another $700 donation.
Not only that, but you will not see a clip of the day ever again.
Yeah, sure.
Patrick W. in Wichita, Kansas, $333.33.
Ah, I have the note for him too.
Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Pat.
I have to get my glasses.
Uh...
Dear John and Adam, my son hit me in the mouth about three years ago, but I did not listen to you regularly until around and after the presidential election.
I've been somewhat astonished at the change in the news reporting over the past two years.
You have convinced me that the news business is a business supplying what the customers and advertisers want.
That's the same thing.
Yeah, yeah, same thing.
Customers, advertisers equal same thing.
Yeah, of course it's a business.
That's the problem.
With online news reinforcing our own beliefs, I fear the dimensions will divide more and more completely over the next few years and the fake news is our future.
Well, I think that's been documented.
Your analysis has been a breath of fresh air for me.
My wish is for the new year that more people listen to the greatest podcasts in the universe.
No agenda.
I'm sorry to admit that this is my first donation.
Please dedouche me.
You've been dedouched.
I'd like to apply this donation to my son Graham Wolfe's total to knighthood.
To the total for his knighthood.
He doesn't make it yet.
I would also like to request a birthday call for him on January 29th, Kansas Day, which we put on the list.
Many good wishes to you both.
Could you play the We Are the World Trump parody?
Thank you both.
I don't even remember the We Are the World Trump parody.
I don't remember.
We are the world.
We are the Trumps.
It just doesn't ring a bell.
This does not ring a bell to me either.
Trump, we are...
We are the world.
Yeah, I know that, but I don't remember what that was.
We are the world.
It's not something...
I'm sorry, I really don't remember.
If you could tell me what the lyrics were of it, then maybe I would...
No.
I don't remember it either.
So anyway, we'll play that eventually if we figure out what it is.
Once we know what it is.
It'll be a while.
Rob Sanderson in Annapolis, Maryland, 33333.
And he sends a note.
These are checks that came in, which saved the show.
I was planning to send you a donation next month for my birthday, February 23rd, which we put on the list today.
It's a little in advance, but we did it anyway.
We're good for it.
But the failing trend in the year-to-year support you cited in last Sunday's newsletter.
Yeah, last January was fantastic, and this January stinks.
Called me to action.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Here's my donation at 333.33 for the best podcasts in the year.
I don't know what I'd do if I didn't have you to provide me with the most straightforward, honest and entertaining deconstructions of the half-truths.
Spin and hypocrisy that the M5M spews every day.
Unlike them, you definitely have no agenda.
I can have the following jingle request, and I'm sorry that I didn't give you these earlier, but follow.
The following is, aim any collusion, which is you've got at the ready, fact check, false, shut up, slave, the Lizzie version.
Okay, any collusion, fact-check, false.
Yeah, fact-check, false.
And what's the other one?
Lucy's shut-up slave, little kid.
Yeah, I'm always getting that one wrong.
Oh, I got it here.
Okay, also, here's what I found.
This is interesting.
Love, child, baby.
It's love trumps hate, not we are the world.
There we go.
And I'll play the full version at the end of the show.
It's amazing how we went from we are the world to the actual jingle the person wanted.
Thank you, Troll Room.
Any collusion?
Fact check false.
Shut up, Ray.
You've got karma.
Anyway, he continues his note.
I continue to look forward to each and every episode and savor the time I spend with the two of you each week.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you.
Oh, and then he has a PS, which I need to read.
Your jobs, Karma, really works.
A few months back, I was assigned to a different manager, and it's made a world of difference in my work life.
Thanks.
Oh, you're welcome.
And just thank the Karma, not us.
Yes, we got nothing to do with it.
It wasn't even our idea.
No.
In fact, most of the show is not our idea, come to think of it.
Right, yeah, we're just conduits for the collective unconscious of the producers.
Yeah, man, conduits.
Yeah, we're conduits, man, for the collective unconscious.
Finger snaps, man, finger snaps.
Small batch.
Samuel Cook, 333.
Hammer and screw.
No jingle, no karma.
Okay.
Hammer and screw.
I think it's referring to us.
Hammer and screw.
Well, it's clearly rhyming slang.
Or it's code.
Oh, it could be rhyming slang.
Yes.
Hammer and code.
No, wait.
Hammer and screw.
Oh, I know what it is.
Hammer and screw Shapeshifting Jew!
It's just a guess, John.
Right this way!
Roll up!
Roll up for the shapes you think you know.
I could be wrong.
I don't know.
Jonas Astrum, parts unknown.
It was parts unknown, but he's in Sweden.
Greetings from Gitmo Nation Flat Pack.
Outstanding shows of late.
Please give a goat karma to all the No Agenda listeners.
Yeah, thank you, Jonas.
Of course we'll do that.
You've got karma.
Then we move to the associate executive producer, starting with Laura Wilson in Sammamish, Washington.
$250.
for over two years.
He's Sir Austin of the Snowy Cascades.
You're the best real news out there and you have changed how we watch M5M, sometimes laughing out loud.
That's better than shouting at the TV, which is what I do.
You guys are killing it.
This donation gets me to Damehood.
In thanks to the fabulous Jobs Karma requested on my behalf, I have landed a new job and am ready for the next chapter of my career to begin.
I start tomorrow and feel this will be my good luck charm.
Thanks for the help.
Because it's so good, please play some hilarious L-Sharpton tidbits, your choice, and please give anyone who needs it Some Nancy Pelosi jobs karma, because seriously, guys, this shit works.
Thanks.
Nice.
Please allow me at the round table with the title Dame Laura of the Snowy Cascades.
So we got a Dame and a Sir of the Snowy Cascades.
You betcha resist.
We much.
We must.
They're all jitty about a shutdown.
The tortis in the race.
Then co-author of Hubris.
YouTube lead singer Bono.
Fran Drescher.
Siganoid Weaver.
Suspect Jahar Sanaev.
Rush Limbaugh.
The show Rush Lombard hosts Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor.
Is Mike Muckery yesterday Antonin Scalia.
Kim Kardashian and the Republican candidates for Cairo and Benghazi.
We rank behind LuxVision.
Jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
Nitha.
Karma.
You know, that particular one of the many compilations is, I think, the funniest.
And I love that he was talking about a shutdown because that's when this clip was from, from the last shutdown.
Yeah.
Just every shutdown, just record Al.
He's great.
He's jitty.
He's all jitty with it.
You know, I say this In normal life, and I forget that not everyone knows the No Agenda Show vocabulary.
And I'll say, oh yeah, getting all jitty with it.
People look at me like...
What?
What's wrong with you?
What's wrong with you?
We know about the Tourettes, but this is going a bit far now.
You know, I had this theory that why he said jitty, because he's reading off the prompter.
Yes.
He sees giddy, G-I-D-D-Y, but he pronounces...
Jif.
Yeah, correctly.
I suppose the gif.
He pronounces jif correctly.
So he sees that G, thinks it's a soft G, and he says jitty instead of giddy.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, he's dumb.
Anonymous in Silwell, Kansas.
$240.
He sent a note in.
By the way, there's two notes that came in, both of them on the exact same kind of weird scrap paper.
It's very strange.
Feels good to get clean.
Keep it anonymous.
Too lazy to write more.
240.
Okay.
I thought I'd read his note.
Thank you very much.
Anonymous.
Not much to it.
Sean Lynch in Brighton, Illinois.
200.
He'll be our last social executive producer.
And he says, thanks, gents.
Or Gents.
Depending on how you pronounce Jif.
Yeah.
Gents.
I'm going to use that.
A Jobs Karma with a side of goat scream is much appreciated.
Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and Jobs.
Let's vote for Jobs!
You've got...
Karma.
Yeah!
That livens things up.
That concludes our list of associate executive producers and executive producers for 11-7, 11-07.
11-07.
Thank you all for being so goat friendly.
It's nice.
We are pro-goat here on the show.
Greatest of all time.
Which means the Rams will win the Super Bowl.
So thank you, our executive producers and associate executive producers.
These are valuable credits, and we recognize them.
They recognize anywhere credits are accepted, but we just celebrate them, unlike Hollywood.
Wait for the Oscars.
Wait for them.
You tell me if any executive producers get an award, or even mention.
No, they're not mentioned.
We understand the importance of it.
Many of you do other things for our Value for Value Network.
The financing is what executive and associate executive producers do, what a lot of producers do.
We'll be thanking more of them, $50 and above, in our second segment.
And remember, we do have another show coming up on Thursday.
Just remember us at...
I think you have a few things deconstructed which you can take out and propagate as a formula.
Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
Before we go any further, I must stop and say that I'm very curious as to your response and perhaps even your coveted vote.
Now that you know that Elizabeth Warren has proposed what you have been a proponent of for as long as I've known you.
Yes.
The wealth tax on rich Americans.
This is something you've always been for.
Yes, but I've been for a generalized wealth tax with the elimination of income tax altogether because the income tax prevents you from accumulating wealth and If you don't accumulate wealth, in other words...
Okay, so that's the caveat is you feel that as long as we abolish income tax and we just do a wealth tax, that's...
I never really remember you saying that, but I believe it.
I believe it.
I'm not disputing it.
Because the argument is you can't accumulate wealth if you're being taxed for your income.
And you want to encourage people to make as much money as they can possibly make income-wise.
You don't want to discourage it.
So you want to encourage that, and then when they start accumulating to the point where they have what looks like a little too much money, and they're not spending it, On anything, even if they're spending it on yachts and houses, that's part of their wealth.
And if they're putting it back into the system by hiring a lot of people and doing all these other things, that's not wealth.
You're not accumulating wealth if you have butkers.
Got it, got it, got it.
Okay, well then I'm okay.
So perhaps you should say a wealth-only tax.
Well, I thought it was implied.
Maybe.
Apparently not.
It's been a while since we've talked about it, so I never thought of it that way.
Here's what I think is positive.
She brought it into the conversation.
Yes, that's positive.
But her wealth tax has gouged the rich.
Yours isn't.
Everybody with over 50 million in assets and charged them 2% of all their assets.
And I think that's unfair.
But It's a start.
It starts the discussion.
All right.
And people say, well, you know, you can't do a wealth tax because it's impossible.
People hide.
No, they don't.
You can't hide that much wealth.
You can't hide your houses.
You can't hide your yachts.
Right.
So it's really on your worth, your net worth, really.
Yeah, your net worth.
Your portfolio is – the IRS knows what it is.
If you start cheating on where you're putting your money, hiding it in the Cayman Islands, they don't like this.
So you have to, your wealth consists of your property and your portfolio and your bank account.
Yes.
And that's it.
I mean, we've never had problems collecting property tax.
No.
It's a big building.
Yeah.
Okay.
No, good.
Solved.
I did come across, just staying with the 2020 election, And I believe this to be true.
You know, I've had a bit of an issue with Kamala Harris's...
Well, now she's saying she was raised as African-American, so she identifies as African-American.
I guess that's valid by today's standards.
She's not African-American.
I don't believe she had the pure African-American experience growing up in Ottawa.
But if she says she was raised as African-American, even though her father is Jamaican, her mother is Indian...
Okay, I'm not going to argue it.
However...
It is my belief in order to be eligible for president, your parents have to have been naturalized for at least five years prior to the child's birth.
I could be wrong, but I think there's a regulation somewhere in there.
So you think she's ineligible?
I do.
Her father arrived from Jamaica in 61.
Her mom from India in 1960.
She was born in 62.
So I don't think she's eligible.
Well, she's not going to win anyway.
Oh, man.
She's high on some people's list.
Yeah, I've heard this, too.
And it's just like, when you think about it...
Hey, John, I'm just covering the bases here.
I really despise talking about...
I probably put some stuff together because there's a lot of guys running.
I mean, now it's gotten to the point where there's probably 50 Democrats that think they're going to run for president.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's close to it.
Yeah, it's close to it.
The only smart money seems to be Gavin Newsom, who's our, you know, he's a wannabe president, but they asked him if he wants to run against Trump in 2020, and he said, hell no, because he's smart.
He's very smart.
He's going to run in 2024.
Yeah, he's going to wait.
He's going to wait.
No one wants to do this.
Just the morons want to go up against Trump.
Well, you have a list of them, and there's a long list of morons.
They are.
The elites were all, I guess, are they done now?
Are they back from Davo?
I think it's still going on, isn't it?
It could be.
Well, I thought last night was a big crescendo, like a big climax, because they had their key, key, key speaker.
Remember, I think there were 1,500 or 1,600 private jets that all convened on Davo to talk about climate change, amongst other things.
You'd think they could share a ride that came to Davos to talk about climate change.
So this guest speaker, whose original speech was about six minutes long, but once I chopped out all the spaces, so it has been modified for brevity and for your entertainment and enjoyment.
This speaker did not come on a private jet.
This speaker took a 37-hour train ride to provide the sound bites that everyone craves when you're in the elite circles because all they're talking about is who controls the spending and what are we spending it on to grow.
And I think the climate change is one that's kind of failing and 5G is the other one.
We'll get to that in a moment.
This is Greta Thunberg.
This is the 12-year-old kid.
And she had some really interesting things to say.
And I think it's worth...
It's a long clip.
I have a follow-up clip to this then.
Good, good.
It is long, but it's important to listen because this is being said in a stage that is intended to come across as...
Alarmist.
Of course, we're abusing this child to do this.
So, you know, we've seen this with the invasion in Iraq.
We use children to talk about children being thrown out of incubators.
All lies.
This child is being saddled.
By the way, she has show business parents.
Did you know that?
It's like her mom's an opera singer.
Her dad's an actor.
Granddad was a director.
So it's a total show business family.
And they prop this kid up and they let her...
We're going to terrorize her age group specifically.
I'm here to say our house is on fire.
No kids ever worried when you say the house is on fire.
They're all fine with it.
According to the IPCC, we are less than 12 years away from not being able to undo our mistakes.
In that time, unprecedented changes in all aspects of society needs to have taken place, including a reduction of our CO2 emissions by at least 50%.
And please note that those numbers do not include the aspect of equity, which is absolutely necessary to make the Paris Agreement work on a global scale, nor does it include tipping points or feedback loops like the extreme powerful methane gas being released from the thawing Arctic permafrost.
You notice how they slip in a couple new things here.
Oh, it's the methane gas being released from the melting ice, and it's going to die so horribly!
At places like Davos, people like to tell success stories, but their financial success has come with an unthinkable price tag.
And on climate change, we have to acknowledge that we have failed.
All political movements In their present form have done so.
And the media has failed to create broad public awareness.
But homo sapiens have not yet failed.
Yes, we are failing, but there is still time to turn everything around.
We can still fix this.
We still have everything in our own hands.
But unless we recognize the overall failures of our current system, we most probably don't stand a chance.
We are facing a disaster of unspoken sufferings for enormous amounts of people.
And now is not the time for speaking politely.
We're focusing on what we can or cannot say.
Now is the time to speak clearly.
Solving the climate crisis is the greatest and most complex challenge that Homo sapiens have ever faced.
I'm not quite sure why she keeps saying Homo sapiens.
I mean, obviously we know that that's man, mankind, womankind, people on Earth, people.
Well, maybe it's because of the possibility of using the word man.
Oh, yes.
Politically correct.
Thank you.
The main solution, however, is so simple that even a small child can understand it.
We have to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases.
And either we do that or we don't.
You say nothing in life is black or white, but that is a lie, a very dangerous lie.
Either we prevent a 1.5 degree of warming or we don't.
Either we avoid setting off that irreversible chain reaction beyond human control or we don't.
Either we choose to go on as a civilisation or we don't.
That is as black or white as it gets.
There are no grey areas when it comes to survival.
Now we all have a choice.
We can create a transformational action that will safeguard the future living conditions What do we do when there is no political will?
What do we do when the politics needed are nowhere in sight?
Here in Davos, Just like everywhere else, everyone is talking about money.
It seems that money and growth are our only main concerns.
And since the climate crisis is a crisis that has never once been treated as a crisis, people are simply not aware of the full consequences of our everyday life.
People are not aware that there is such a thing as a carbon budget, and just how incredible small that remaining carbon budget is.
Had you heard of this carbon budget?
That's a new term to me.
Yeah, I looked it up and the carbon budget is kind of a reverse budget.
It's the amount of carbon you're allowed to use.
But here comes the next piece, which is very telling.
And that needs to change today.
No other current challenge can match the importance of establishing a wide public awareness and understanding of our rapidly disappearing carbon budgets that should and must become a new global currency at the very heart of future and present economics.
Ah, so carbon becomes the new currency.
Thanks, kiddo.
We are now at a time in history where everyone with any insight of the climate crisis that threatens our civilization and the entire biosphere must speak out in clear language.
No matter how uncomfortable and unprofitable that may be, we must change almost everything in our current societies.
The bigger your carbon footprint is, the bigger your moral duty.
The bigger your platform, the bigger your responsibility.
Adults keep saying we owe it to the young people to give them hope.
But I don't want your hope.
I don't want you to be hopeful.
I want you to panic.
I want you to feel the fear I feel every day.
And then I want you to act.
I want you to act as if you would in a crisis.
I want you to act as if the house was on fire.
Because it is.
I gotta say, I think those Google guys have done pretty good on their new AI. It's quite convincing.
You know, I think that if you're sitting in the audience and you're one of the guys that came in on one of the 1,500 private jets, you're sitting there and you're listening to her and you're probably talking to your guy next door and you said, Yeah, they've done a great job with the kids, you know.
We have them under complete control.
We can convince them of anything.
Anything.
Any crazy notion.
And in fact, it's gotten so carried away in Europe, and I expect to see this here, even though they try to do this here, but our kids aren't quite this dumb.
But this is the Brussels big student strike over this.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And in Brussels, Belgium, an estimated 35,000 children held a one-day school strike Thursday surrounding the European Parliament building, demanding urgent action on climate change.
It was one of the largest student protests ever in the Belgian capital.
Students said they're ready to skip classes once a week until their demands are met.
We think that if we skip every Thursday, so we don't go to school, that the big people in our country and in the world will say that it's a problem and that they will do something about it.
The students are following in the footsteps of now 16-year-old Greta Thunberg from Sweden, who is leading the school strike movement globally.
She is now in Davos, Switzerland, addressing leaders at the World Economic Forum.
She's 16.
I thought she was a little younger.
She's dressing leaders.
That's what she said.
Yes, instead of addressing, he's dressing leaders.
He's addressing them.
Hey, come here.
Oh, those pants, they got to go.
She said to every one of them, all of your pants.
And I was so hopeful.
I even saw that nuclear energy was on the table, a couple of conversations in Davo.
It's cropped up more and more as a true alternative.
And right on cue, I'm waiting for our very own atomic, suratomic Rod Adams to check in.
He should be here because he's the guy that turned me on to this lying scumbag.
This is a former nuclear regulator of the United States, JAXO. Do you remember this guy?
No.
So, Jazco, he left the Nuclear Regulatory Agency because he was a dick, mainly towards women, but it doesn't matter.
He's back.
No one has a problem with him anymore.
He's written a book.
It is, and you've got to love the subtext of The Confessions of a Rogue Nuclear Regulator is the title of his book, which I think is intended to conjure up images of confession of an economic hitman.
And of course, nuclear is the stupidest thing we could do.
Oh my God!
Whoa, no!
Today, 98 reactors at 59 commercial nuclear sites in the U.S. provide power across the country using a technology heralded by proponents as a savior from climate change and the key to solving the world's growing energy needs.
But our next guest says that nuclear power is more hazardous than it is worth.
And warns that its continued use will lead to catastrophe in this country or somewhere else in the world.
Former chairman of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Gregory Yatsko joins us now.
Now, he's the author of a new memoir entitled Confessions of a Rogue Nuclear Regulator.
And thank you very much for being on the show.
Wondering what the exact confessions are, especially given your tenure as NRC commissioner ended in a little bit of controversy.
Tell me first, why you wrote the book.
Well, I wanted people to really understand how this industry was regulated and how it works because this is a technology that's hazardous.
It's a technology that at any moment really could lead to the kind of catastrophic accident we saw at Fukushima.
So I thought people should understand that.
And, you know, as you said, people are talking about nuclear power as the savior to climate change.
And that worries me more than the risk of a nuclear power plant accident because I don't think it can rise to that.
Wait a minute.
What did he just say?
He said something weird there.
As you said, people are talking about nuclear power as the savior of climate change, and that worries me more than the risk of a nuclear power plant accident because I don't think it can rise to that challenge.
So more worrying to him than a meltdown of a reactor or something else like that is actually people using nuclear to combat climate change.
Worse than that, if you really deconstruct what he said, Just talking about it is worse than a meltdown.
I got a couple more short clips from this guy from this interview.
He's using Fukushima.
He doesn't even go back to Chernobyl or Three Mile Island with Fukushima.
And, you know, he's I'm conflating a lot of different things.
It was an earthquake right off the coast.
It was a tsunami.
The tsunami is what triggered the meltdown.
And the tsunami killed the people.
The tsunami made everybody move away.
But okay.
I started in Washington as a physicist, and so I looked at every issue based on the facts and made hypotheses and revised those hypotheses as I learned new facts.
And the biggest fact that changed my mind was this accident in Fukushima.
I saw 100,000 people evacuated from their homes, many of them permanently evacuated.
And, you know, that's the kind of thing you should never see from a source that generates electricity.
Let's see.
Have we ever had any problems with oil?
Has that ever been bad for the environment or for people?
Let me think.
He would also argue oil's bad.
We're talking about a guy, a climate change guy, who was all in on solar.
He doesn't say this, but this is the mentality.
Oil bad, nuke bad, solar good, wind good.
And moreover, we were promised and the industry pledged that these kinds of accents were in the past.
And here we had one in front of us, which I simply couldn't ignore anymore.
And I began to realize then that this is a technology that simply was too hazardous to really be a future technology.
Oh yeah.
So just stop all developments.
It could never be any good.
It's no good.
It ruined Japan.
Yeah, so there's really the area around the plant.
There's large areas of the plant that are still uninhabitable.
Most of those people who were evacuated can't return to their homes or won't return to their homes.
So lives have been disrupted in a way that we think about more with wars than with energy generation.
Yeah.
And you have a lot of radioactive water that's being stored at the site that people really don't know what to do with.
So it'll be decades before this really gets to it.
And just how likely could something like this happen in the United States?
You know, it's so hard to predict.
Plants kind of operate always on this precipice of normal operation on one side and catastrophic failure on the other.
But what we know is the accidents will happen.
So it's just a question of when and where.
And it's hard to predict, which is why the industry often touts that everything's fine.
So his solution to...
Sorry, go ahead.
It's because it rarely happens.
There's three major incidents.
Yeah, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Fukushima.
Yeah, and how many years has it been?
I mean, nuclear power probably began in the...
In earnest, at least the discussions in the late 50s.
I mean, Mika could have brought up, I don't know, France.
You know, hey, France seems to be doing pretty well.
And they're trying to shut those down.
That's Macron, you know, that guy.
Well, our buddy here has some solutions.
And if I'm not mistaken, isn't solar energy subsidized by the government?
Yeah, I think most of it is.
Elon Musk's cars were certainly subsidized by the government.
So there's all kinds of electrical stuff that's subsidized.
Well, you did a whole takedown of wind power subsidies and the used equipment and all the rest of it.
Well, listen to his last bit here.
So for people who are...
Oh, so as a part of Morning Joe, I guess they bring in the BBC USA woman, Katie or Kathy, whatever her name is.
I don't know why she's there, but she gets to ask a question.
So for people who are trying to find a counter to fossil fuels in the fight against global warming, having nuclear power written off like this is kind of depressing because this was the hope, right?
That nuclear power could be made safer and it could be the counter in our effort to keep global temperatures from going up.
If you weigh the risks of higher global temperatures because of fossil fuel increase usage and nuclear power, you still come down firmly in the favor of non-nuclear power.
So she's got a good point here.
Except for the, you know, the accidents.
Even with that, I mean, is this not a good idea to try this?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's a false choice because the realities are right now in the marketplace, cleaner sun, wind, geothermal, these technologies are actually in some cases cheaper than nuclear and they're getting cheaper much, much faster.
Oh, really?
So I actually think the future is pretty hopeful.
But what we need to do is really let the markets decide and kind of get out of the way of subsidizing reactors to try and keep them around.
Because the reason people are doing that is to keep the reactors around.
They're not really doing it to deal with climate change.
Because if you want to deal with climate change, you just have to let the market decide.
And then you need to do things with gas to maybe make gas a little bit more expensive.
And if you do that, the things that are going to fill in is really wind, sun, and geothermal.
It's not nuclear, and that's what we're seeing in the market here in the U.S. and throughout the rest of the world.
Except it's not true!
God, I hate this guy.
He's such a dick.
We've done a lot.
Since he's back on the scene, I'm going to follow him.
Because he was expelled for basically a Me Too moment.
It wasn't long after the...
Maybe it was just before the show started.
I'm trying to think.
No, it was 2012 when he announced his resignation.
But it was because, you know, people had complained.
He was a dick, especially female subordinates.
One woman told me she felt the chairman was actually irritated with someone else but took it out on her.
I mean, this guy would have been excoriated.
And Mika Brzezinski just says, oh, yeah, this was a little bit of controversy.
Oh, no problem.
All paid.
All big.
This is your big oil money right here.
That's your big oil money.
That could be.
There's a possibility that exists that oil's behind this guy.
You think?
Well, I mean, there has to be some explanation.
He doesn't seem like a guy, especially if he's a masher or whatever he was, that he'd be kind of a crunchy guy.
It doesn't seem too logical.
Yeah.
I got another.
You do something and I got another presentation.
I got a couple of things.
I got the no checks report.
I want to play these clips and I want to make a commentary.
Oh, checks.
What checks?
Are we getting checks?
What checks?
We'll listen to some of these no checks reports.
All right.
What checks?
Let's start with, let's do the longest one.
Let's do no checks report.
FBI ATC. Kathy Kalani is an IRS worker in Florida.
And I want to believe and I pray that the politicians in Washington will do this economy and everybody right by doing the right thing.
Hours before the president's announcement, the shutdown was escalating.
In the Northeast today, air traffic reduced to a trickle.
I wouldn't be surprised if it takes, you know, another 20 to 30 minutes before we become airborne.
After a number of air traffic controllers called in sick.
When they probably saw the second zero paycheck, that probably put so much stress on them.
And they're not fit for duty if they are overstressed.
New York's LaGuardia Airport brought to a standstill.
I'm totally sympathetic to them because you can't operate a business that way.
Meanwhile, pressure was also building at the FBI. It takes a lot to get me angry, but I'm about as angry as I've been in a long, long time.
FBI Director Chris Ray today told 32,000 employees it was unfair and short-sighted to make them work without pay.
An IRS backlash has also been building.
14,000 workers called in sick this week after being called back to work without pay.
Among them Lori Wilcox in Utah who fears she'll be furloughed again next month.
We're terrified that we're going to lose our house, lose our cars.
You know, this was a pretty slick move, and I think this is why Trump quote-unquote caved.
What I understand from the union, the air traffic controllers union, and perhaps more of the, well certainly air traffic controllers, that something like a quarter of them, or maybe 20-25% are working, but they're completely eligible to take their pension and to retire.
And that I think there was some noise like, oh, we're going to have 20% walk off the job and just take their pension and never come back.
Yeah, that's a possibility.
But that's kind of not going to be my point.
I want to play another one of these clips.
This is the No Checks Report NBC belt buckles.
In Los Angeles, furloughed FAA inspector Curtis Calabrese is expecting back pay, but says the political tug-of-war should have never happened in the first place.
This all began over debate for a wall.
Right.
Has it been worth it to weigh that against the safety of the American people that are flying every day?
Is that worth it?
Absolutely not.
In Washington, D.C., some agree.
I don't think it was worth it.
What did it accomplish?
Nothing.
Back in Colorado, single mom Devin Lentz lost her job at the belt buckle shop.
I don't see myself going back to work before the end of February until something is truly signed and done.
Families caught where politics turns personal.
Morgan Chesky, NBC News.
Let's go to this one.
I got a no-checks report, NBC. This is Shorty.
Federal workers like Carla Davis, a grant processor at Housing and Urban Development, need a little more help waiting on back pay.
I'm glad it's over, but I still don't feel, like, safe.
Like, three weeks is not a long time.
And then let's go to No Checks Report, Random Democracy Now with Coast Guard Kicker.
This comes as some 800,000 federal workers who have been furloughed or forced to work without pay for over a month will miss a second paycheck today.
Federal workers are increasingly turning to food pantries as they struggle to pay for housing, food, and other basic needs.
Among them, more than 40,000 active-duty members of the U.S. Coast Guard.
This is Coast Guard Commandant Admiral Carl Schultz.
I find it unacceptable that Coast Guard men and women have to rely on food pantries and donations to get through day-to-day life as service members.
Okay.
Let's just stop here.
I got a million of them.
But let's listen to these and analyze these things.
We've got Guys in the Coast Guard, guys in the FBI, ATC, everybody.
And they're going to miss a second check.
And the one woman, as you heard, says, we're going to lose our house.
We're going to lose our cars.
Yeah, it's total bullshit.
And is it?
Yes.
Is it?
Yes, it is.
And I think I have some proof.
Well, it may or may not be.
But the message they're sending is that this economy...
Is so weak and so flaky that you can't miss one or two, let's say, two paychecks without losing your house, your car, and everything in between?
Yeah, that's what they're saying.
If that's the case, you can prove it's not the case, and that would be fine because I don't believe it is either.
You can prove that's the case, but if that is the case that these people are so bent out of shape about this over the one or two lost paychecks, which tells me that too many people – and I'm assuming that there's some truth to this – too many people that are making good money working for the government.
It's not like a lousy paying job.
Working for the government, the federal government in particular – They're living paycheck to paycheck?
What happens if we have an actual economic collapse?
We're all going to die.
I would think so.
If you're working for the federal government and you've been working there for, let's assume, for some time that you have cars and you have a house, that doesn't mean you started yesterday.
And you can lose all these things overnight because of a missed paycheck?
This is not a good signal.
That's also not true.
In this case, I believe if our economy tanked and people miss paychecks, yes, I think there's a lot of people living paycheck to paycheck because they're on the credit bandwagon and are overextended and have been this way for decades.
And this is what the system is.
You know, watch TV. Oh, I got to buy this stuff that I can't afford.
Buy it with money I don't have.
Go back to my job.
Repeat cycle.
Yeah, I think that's real.
Yes, I do.
Well, this is not a good signal.
It's not.
It's not.
And the worst...
Now, let me give you another worst aspect of this.
Whenever you're ready, I want to prove that it's bullshit.
These reports are bullshit.
That's what I'd like to say.
Okay, let me finish this then.
Good.
Democracy Now!
had a bunch of clips from Wilbur Ross.
Yes, that's exactly where I want to go.
Well, Ross comes on, and of course, she takes it from the perspective of why listen to this guy?
He's worth $700 million.
What does he know about somebody getting a paycheck?
So I want to play the two clips.
This is the end, Democracy Now!
versus the bridge loan idea that he has.
Meanwhile, President Trump's Commerce Secretary, Multi-millionaire investor Wilbur Ross said Thursday federal workers should simply take out bridge loans until they get paid.
Ross was being questioned by CNBC anchor Andrew Ross Sorkin.
There are reports that there are some federal workers who are going to homeless shelters.
To get food.
Well, I know they are, and I don't really quite understand why, because as I mentioned before, the obligations that they would undertake, say a borrowing from a bank or a credit union, are in effect federally guaranteed.
I can't wait to start.
I'm waiting for you.
So that's the start, and then she goes to number two, and instead of saying, here's the three, I'll tell you what really bothers me, then you can play your clips.
All right.
Let's play the second part where all she does is just give Wilbur Ross crap for being a rich guy.
So the 30 days of pay that some people will be out, there's no real reason why they shouldn't be able to get a loan against it.
Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, whose net worth is estimated around $700 million, also diminished the financial hardship faced by unpaid federal workers.
800,000 workers, if they never got their pay, which is not the case, they will eventually get it.
But if they never got it, you're talking about a third of a percent on our GDP. So it's not like it's a gigantic number overall.
All right.
Now, she mocks him for being rich, and she goes on and she thinks this is crazy.
Now, instead of doing that, if Ross is right and you can just get a guaranteed bridge loan, which I guess a lot of people don't know what a bridge loan is and they probably don't go to a bank or I have no idea what the problem is here.
But instead of educating the public here, if you've lost your job, let me let us explain to you how you can go to your bank and get this guaranteed, according to Ross, guaranteed federal bridge loan to keep you afloat instead of coming on NBC or Democracy Now!
or any of these other stations and moaning and groaning like that one woman did about she's going to lose her house and they're going to lose their cars and they've got nothing they can do.
And instead of saying, well, that's not true, you can do this and we'll show you how.
No, no, they just ridiculed because it's something to do with Trump.
I find that the whole thing to be incredibly, it's not useful.
And you will really despise it when I unveil the rest.
Democracy Now!
did exactly what Don Lamont does on CNN. I'll just play a little bit.
He had a clip about the same thing.
800,000.
Oh, he doesn't give a shit about these people.
And here he is about the loans.
There are reports that there are some federal workers who are going to homeless shelters to get food.
Let me fast forward.
Well, I know they are.
We already heard this part.
You shouldn't be able to get a loan against it.
That is the most elite, out-of-touch thing that I have ever heard in my life, in all my years, ever on this earth.
That is the most insulting thing that I've ever heard.
The most elite, elitist, however you want to put it, thing that I've ever heard.
I could not believe it.
I had to go back and say, I've got to find this on the internet.
Is this true?
Hey, you folks who aren't getting paid, just go take out a loan.
Take out a loan.
Here's what he's saying, okay?
Follow along with me.
Take out a loan.
For the money that you've earned, the money that we owe you, because we really have no idea when you're going to get paid, even though a lot of you are still on the job.
So yeah, take out a loan.
Pay interest.
Just to get the money that we owe you.
And the Commerce Secretary may know where you can get a loan, because this department's federal credit union is offering emergency loans at almost 9% 9%.
It's according to the Washington Post.
Okay.
So, it's generally the same story.
What an elitist rich prick.
Last night, Saturday, I didn't clip it because without the visual it doesn't work, but Kate McKinnon, whatever her name is, now she's taken her character and she did Wilbur Ross very well as a creepy elitist a-hole.
Which he does come across, but it's disingenuous from Amy and from Don and everybody because it's only a part of what he said.
You might be surprised he said a little bit more and I did some checking on it.
Wilbur Ross was on CNBC. It's a business news network.
It's not the fast-paced CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, Democracy Now!
War and Peace Report, where everybody's already made for television and gets the point out in 10 seconds.
Wilbur Ross said something very important as a part of this suggestion.
Mr.
Secretary, many of these workers clearly need the paycheck.
I'm going to fast-forward a bit because we've heard this three times now.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Well, first of all, the banks and the credit union should be making credit available to them.
When you think about it, these are basically government-guaranteed loans because the government has committed these folks will get their back pay once this whole thing gets settled down.
So there really is not a good excuse why there really should be a liquidity crisis.
Now, true, the people might have to pay a little bit of interest, but the idea that it's paycheck or zero is not a really valid idea.
There's no reason why some institution wouldn't be willing to lend.
And indeed, we've heard tales of some of the government...
So it should be put on the private sector?
The private sector needs to step up where the public sector can't?
No, what I'm saying is there have been ads run by a number of the public sector credit unions, which are member organizations of the people who work in the departments.
Those have announced very, very low interest rate loans to bridge people over the gap.
Oh, wait a minute.
I guess Don and Amy didn't hear that part, and I went and looked.
And if you look for local news reports all across America, this is what you heard.
The phrase, living paycheck to paycheck, is a stark reality for many Americans.
As thousands of Ohioans are figuring out how to pay their bills while their next payday is uncertain.
This is from January 3rd.
Here in the Miami Valley, Dayer Credit Union is offering assistance of their own to these impacted workers.
Preferably, our members would have direct deposit coming in here to the credit union.
Very easy for us to look and see what that dollar amount is, and then we can match a loan amount.
To that direct deposit, 0% interest for 30 days.
If direct deposit is not available, a current pay stub may be required to get the loan.
After 30 days, prevailing interest could begin to kick in, but Theobald says they will look at the program if that becomes an issue.
Right now he says it is mostly Department of Transportation employees seeking assistance, but anticipates many more if the partial government shutdown...
Now this is their own credit union called Day Air.
Let's go to San Diego.
Let's just see if there was any issues there with credit unions.
While Washington stalemates...
Our phones have been ringing off the hook.
Things are busy for Cabrillo Credit Union.
People are scared.
But it's something they've dealt with before.
We've been through multiple furloughs, multiple government shutdowns over the years.
The San Diego-founded business is loaning government employees their paycheck value with no interest until the shutdown is over.
Federal employees, they weren't expecting this.
I mean, I can play 18 of these clips.
All the credit unions, local news, the...
Chicken shit news subverted this, obfuscated, and they just found either idiots or people who are willing participants to cry, whereas every single one of these credit unions, it's not a familiar concept in the rest of the world, but go look at what a credit union does.
They're also part of these organizations themselves.
Yeah, it's very hard to work within any government operation.
I can say that as someone who knows.
I was a member of the San Francisco City Association.
Workers' Credit Union.
Because if you're a government worker, there's a credit union attached to what you do.
If you're in the Armed Forces, there's a credit union attached to what you do.
And these credit unions do what these clips are telling.
This is...
I'm really mad about this because Amy and everyone, they did not play everything the guy said.
But besides that, they – it was the Don Lemon one that was the eye-opener.
First, he mocked the whole idea of going to the bank, and I don't even care whether he's played the whole thing or not.
You can go to the bank and get bridge loans.
It's not that big of a deal.
And then he emphasized the Washington Post bulldozer.
Bullcrap article.
Thank you.
Oh, yeah, but it's 9%.
Thank you.
Were they going to payday loans?
What kind of loans are we talking about here?
So that was a bullcrap report.
So these are blatant lies by the big boys.
Yeah, and done on purpose.
I mean, okay, I totally believe Don Lemon just looked at the clip, just the one little clip that everyone was passing around on social media, and obviously Democracy Now is no better.
Just that clip, just make fun of the asshole old guy, NBC, Saturday Night Live, make him look like he's death himself.
Guy definitely does not have a media presence that is very helpful to what is going on here.
But it's disingenuous and really just a lie to say that people couldn't get any money at all.
I'm going to lose my car.
I'm going to lose my house.
Yes.
Bullshit.
That was on NBC. NBC. You say that like it means something anymore.
Well, it doesn't.
They have more reach than we do.
And I commend every single credit union.
I love credit unions.
Hey, banks can do this too.
I love credit unions.
I think credit unions are better than banks.
I'm not going to argue that point.
But This can be done at a bank level if you have a good relationship with a bank.
But the way Don Lemon sees it, this is an elitist thing.
You're too stupid to go to a bank.
Well, how did you get your car?
Well, you got your car probably from GMAC maybe.
John, I have the UFCU, the University Federal Credit Union.
I'm like, you know, let me...
I don't...
I ran the Airstream through there, so I don't really do that much business with them anymore.
But like, you know, why don't I go take a look and see?
And yeah, lo and behold, they said it right there.
We can offer you zero...
Right in the bill or the statement.
Paperwork.
The paper, the statement.
We can offer you zero percent loan if you're furloughed or not getting a check due to the shutdown.
Contact us.
We'll be happy to help you.
So it is just a lie.
And it doesn't matter because that's just what we'll always think forever.
That will be the truth from now on out.
And it's too bad that this little podcast doesn't have enough reach to let the world know how really disgusting this reporting was.
Across the board.
Right down to Washington Post.
Yeah.
Well, none of it unexpected since it just seems to be just all Trump hate.
Yes.
And they're not giving the public actual information that's valuable.
And your point is very valid because I know that's what your point was.
It's like instead of doing this whole what an asshole, what an elitist, what a dick, you know, yeah, do a little story, which local news was all over.
We're talking three weeks ago.
They were already doing this.
This has been...
And you can just look it up.
Go to YouTube and local report after local report with credit unions with their local guys.
Say, hey, we're going to help everybody out.
Not a problem.
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Imagine all the people who could do that.
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Yeah.
Interesting.
Loss of power, loss is bad.
It hurts business.
I mean, Horowitz and I talk about it all the time.
This first quarter of the year, over the last few years, this hasn't been ever since global warming began.
And by the way, when I played that clip of the students in Brussels making the big protests, which we played a few seconds ago about global, you know, bitching and moaning about climate change, they were all bundled up.
Yeah.
It's very cold.
It's freezing there.
It's very cold in Europe right now.
Yeah.
It's the polar vortex.
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The new order?
I know he had them on order.
No, they haven't come in yet.
I mean, it takes forever to get these turned around.
It's getting slower.
Yeah.
Because of China, you know.
China.
China.
They'll come in.
They'll be in within the next week or two.
Yes.
Let's see.
I had a couple things that were kind of interesting.
Oh, yeah.
You want the 5G report now?
Are you ready for the 5G report?
Sure.
Okay.
Well, first of all, I don't know if you saw this email.
I forget which producer sent this.
But it turns out PC Magazine is now...
Whenever they have a news story...
They tweeted out, and the tweet is PC Magazine and Qualcomm.
You see, they're now the main sponsor.
Yeah.
So if you look at your email, you see PC Mag with Qualcomm, sponsored.
Here's a look at the four biggest changes to come for smartphones and mobile devices.
5G, it's coming in 2019, and it's gonna change your life!
Just another data point and why...
Well, that same article appeared in Mashable, which they also own now.
Right.
Presented by Qualcomm, who are the company when it comes to 5G radios.
That is the 5G company.
That is the company.
That could be the downfall of Qualcomm.
Well, you know...
I got to tell you, we've been talking about this.
You think it may not happen.
I think we're too late.
I got a note from one of our producers in Texas who's in the biz, so to say.
And all this went down in 2017.
Austin already has 5G transmitters.
Now, it's the AT&T version, whatever the heck that means.
There's $500 in Dallas, $300 in Houston.
It's already done.
It's over.
It's already...
In Texas.
It's underway.
Okay.
You've got other problems in Berkeley.
Um...
Here is the report from 2017, just before the vote was made, and really the only thing that Austin was pushing back on is how much money they would get per cell installed.
That's the only thing, and we're in session here, the legislature.
And the whole town is filled with money.
People just walking around, just doling out cash left and right.
So this is a report from 2017, so you kind of get a background as to how long this has been playing.
The future of wireless technology, especially for 5G, will be ran through little cell towers across cities known as nodes.
There aren't any up and running in Austin just yet, but several hundred are expected after city officials came to an agreement with major telecommunications companies in October.
That agreement has Austin getting $1,500 per node per year.
That could change.
The legislature is weighing in.
That's Adler, our fake mayor.
With considerable weight.
Mayor Adler is worried about a bill scheduled for a vote Wednesday that could cap the fee at $250 for each device every year, losing big money for the city.
Austin would also lose some control about where these devices are placed on public land.
Now the legislature is stepping in.
And taking what is highly coveted public space and turning it into cheap utility corridors.
So far the bill has nearly unanimous support at the capitol.
That's to give our customers an effortless wireless customer experience.
AT&T is a major supporter of the bill and says it's necessary to bring tomorrow's technology to Texas quickly.
Things like 4k video, the internet of things.
Smart cities, they all start with 5G. It's a fight over money, and who calls the shots for 5G coming to cities in Texas?
So that was 2017.
The bill passed, of course.
Hold on a second.
What?
I was listening to that.
It sounded like they were going to get $1,500 per node, and then it went down to $250, and that's what passed?
No, that's not what passed.
It passed at $750.
I thought it was $1,500.
No, that's what they wanted.
A lobbyist paid everyone off to move it down.
Oh, that's what you do.
Yeah, that's how you...
So, it wasn't about, is it safe?
Should we have it?
Is it effective?
Is it good for us?
No, just how much money is the city going to get?
That was the only question.
The 20,000 satellites, to date, these are the 5G satellites.
Let me just tell you what's already been deployed.
SpaceX has deployed...
Half of their 12,000 satellite allotment.
One web is looking at 4,560.
Boeing is just under 3,000.
Inspire Global, oh, I don't know who that is.
They're looking at 972.
5G, 300, they're saying 300 watts.
I find that hard to believe that that's what they're going to be pumping from outer space.
I don't know what power they're going to use for that, but I don't know.
We went to the moon.
Tom Wheeler, who was then FCC chairman in 2016, did a speech which I cannot find the original from, sadly, because what he says...
Now, this is three years ago.
What he says in this speech at the National Press Club, which is why I find it weird I can't find the original...
And it has some music mixed in it, which pisses me off.
But it's pretty much unedited as far as I can tell.
But even the things he's saying are clear enough.
This is what he was touting to the press club in 2016.
That's the people in D.C. who are supposed to report on these things.
Big game changer is that 5G will use much higher frequency bands than previously thought viable for mobile broadband and other applications.
Such millimeter wave signals have physical properties that are both a limitation and a strength.
They tend to travel best in narrow and straight lines, and they do not go through physical objects as well.
But brilliant engineers have developed new antennas that can aim and amplify signals.
Now, to make this work, the 5G build-out is going to be very infrastructure-intensive, requiring massive deployment of small cells.
I'm confident that the actions will lead to a cornucopia of unanticipated innovative uses and will generate tens of billions of dollars in economic activity.
And that's damn important because it means that U.S. companies will be the first out of the gate.
And that is why 5G is a national priority and stay out of the way of technological development.
Unlike some countries, We do not believe that we should spend the next couple of years studying what 5G should be, how it should operate, or if it's safe.
The future has a way of inventing itself.
Turning innovators loose is far preferable to expecting committees and regulators to define the future.
We won't wait for the standards.
We're already seeing the industry...
Fuck the standards.
...enough to seize this opportunity.
Verizon and AT&T tell us they'll begin deploying 5G trials in 2017.
And the first commercial deployments they're talking about are expected in 2020.
And we're not done.
As part of our July 14 action, we also plan to ask for comments on opening up other high-frequency vans.
Many of the high-frequency bands that we will make available for 5G currently have some satellite users, as well as some Defense Department applications, or at least the possibility of future satellite and defense users.
This means sharing will be required between satellite and terrestrial wireless, an issue that is especially relevant in the 28 GHz band.
But if anyone tells you that they know the details of what 5G is going to become, run the other way.
If something can be connected, it will be connected.
Hundreds of billions of microchips connected in products from pill bottles to plant waters.
We must reject the notion that the 5G future will be the sole provenance of urban areas.
The 5G revolution will touch all corners of our country.
A lot more antenna-sighting decisions by local governments.
It tightened our shot clock.
for citing application reviews.
America's local governments will play an important role in determining how we fulfill this national priority.
You can be sure of only one thing.
The biggest Internet of Things application has yet to be imagined.
Thank you.
That was the FCC chairman at the time.
I think his words are pretty clear.
And all these municipalities, all they were thinking about is, can I get the 1500 instead of the 250?
I wasn't thinking about anything else.
And I had forgotten about the capability of RFID, you know, to connect at short distance to these 5G spots, which will be everywhere.
And it truly becomes a kind of cool spy grid.
Yeah.
It's quite mind-boggling.
In that aspect, I think he's right.
But to say that this is not happening or that some reports of your home value going down or health, I think it's unstoppable.
That video you and I watched over the weekend, this is what it is.
They're banking the future on this, of the money expansion capitalist system of the liberal bankers, is this.
That's what they put all...
Climate change, eh, kind of doesn't work.
Stupid Trump.
But even Trump is dumb enough to fall for this.
Well, that I will say yes.
Well, anybody, generally speaking, that generation is going to be too dumb to realize the issues with this technology.
But okay, we'll see.
I have high hopes that there'll be enough action And I'm seeing a lot more action on this and I've seen a lot of different things.
Squeaky wheels.
And I think a lot of it's going to come from California.
Yeah, probably.
Texas apparently just knuckles under to any, you know, two-bit.
Some guy comes in.
Hey, this guy came in and he offered me 10 cents to do this.
I'll take it.
It's better than no 10 cents.
Wow, that was really quite awesome of you to do there in California.
Now I'm hoping for an earthquake so y'all can die.
Well, you can do what wish for all you want, but I got my ten cents.
I hope the fires reach your house, Dvorak!
Just racist, man.
Just...
That's racist.
Hey.
It's white privilege.
Oh, I'm sorry.
We're rednecks down here.
We got white neck privilege.
Stop it.
I bet you I'll find some 5G in Berkeley.
You know it's already happening.
Berkeley will be the last place to do 5G. But it's coming.
It's coming.
And they're going to place it at your house first because they de-platformed you over your negative article.
Yeah, what am I going to do about it?
So the first thing they're going to do is, hey, Dvorak, look out the window, baby.
You won't see mudflats.
You'll just see this beam of light coming into you, the soft skin under your eyes.
It's going to be all over.
I already got the tinfoil.
That will help, actually.
I just have an oddball clip.
Okay.
Well, actually, I'll save this for the end of the show.
Well, then, let me just play, and I have a background if we want to listen to it, but we didn't get to kind of an important part of Brexit, even though Brexit isn't really the story, but France and Germany signed the Treaty of Aachen now two weeks ago.
And the Treaty of Aachen.
Aachen?
Aachen.
Like the city?
A-A-C-H-E-N. Yeah, it's a city.
Yeah, it's a city.
The Treaty of Aachen.
Yes, I know it's a city.
The Treaty of Aachen.
And this treaty brings the Germans and French even closer together, which is kind of what the whole Brexit thing is.
We don't want...
The whole idea of the European Union.
You know, it's like, we really don't want...
People pairing off like Germany and France being all buddy-buddy and it specifically states they will do more to share military resources.
I mean, and very little coverage.
I mean, you got coverage in Europe.
And if you want, I have a two-minute backgrounder, which is kind of interesting, just from a historical...
During this process, they drilled a nice underground tunnel so they could invade Britain from below.
Quickly, quickly, easily.
You want to hear this little backgrounder, two minutes?
It's a history lesson.
Okay, here we go.
France's President Emmanuel Macron is really speaking German, and the German Chancellor Angela Merkel is speaking French.
During their mutual visit to the French-German Youth Centre last summer, they were clearly among friends.
But it wasn't always this way.
Shortly before the end of the Second World War, French soldiers moved into southern Germany.
This, after Hitler had occupied and humiliated France for years.
German soldiers became French prisoners of war, and it looked as if these tried-and-true enemies would always be at war with each other.
But the head of the French military troops was Charles de Gaulle, and ten years later, when he became president, he had great plans.
While at his private country residence, Colombier-le-Deux-Églises, he shook hands with West Germany's post-war chancellor, Conard Adenauer.
And in 1963, the two of them signed the Élysée Treaty of German-French Friendship.
President de Gaulle wanted to join forces with his German partner to become a world power.
And 18 years after the end of the Nazis, the young West German Republic wanted to return to the community of nations and renew friendships with their European democratic allies.
The West Germans celebrated.
The key to the newfound friendship was young people who were untouched by the hatred that motivated their parents.
The German-French Youth Project was founded.
And even today it brings together more than 9 million members from both countries through its exchange program.
The Chancellor and the President planned a common political agenda in Europe and the world.
Good friends Valérie Giscard d'Estaing and Helmut Schmidt found a coalition of the seven most important industrial nations in the world, the G7.
In 1984, President François Mitterrand and Chancellor Helmut Kohl shook hands in Verdun, close to the graves of the First World War.
They wanted to show Europe that the worst enemies had become closest of allies.
Today, Germany and France continue to meet daily to discuss European policy.
They even cooperate militarily on weapons programs and in conflict zones such as in Mali.
It's an alliance that 80 years ago nobody would have thought possible.
Even though the French don't donate to the show, I will give you some advice.
I would lock up my bike.
Just saying.
I'm from Holland.
I don't know.
We've got some experience with that.
Were the Dutch and the Germans always good buddies until that war broke out and they stole all the bikes?
Yeah, they're still looking for the bike back.
I know.
You went after Anne Frank?
Oh God, don't get me started.
Maybe, go on.
No, I had that.
I thought maybe...
We have a pretty eclectic mix of end-of-show mixes, so we can do one or two more clips and we'll get into that.
I got a couple of clips, but I'm going to just go with the one.
And it's going to be...
This is Michael Bennett.
He's from Colorado.
And he is a senator.
And he made...
So he had to go on the Senate floor to bitch and moan about Trump.
Oh, I heard this.
Yeah.
And he was on there for 20 minutes.
It was like a filibuster of some sort.
Is he a Republican or a Democrat?
Sorry?
Is he a Republican?
He's a Democrat.
Democrat.
Okay.
And I think he was drunk.
Yeah.
I don't know about that.
Drunk on power, maybe.
Well, let's play this clip.
This idea that he was going to build a medieval wall across the southern border of Texas, take it from the farmers and ranchers that were there, and have the Mexicans pay for it isn't true!
That's why we're here!
And I listen to MSNBC most of the time during the day.
It's the most entertaining thing you can imagine.
And he did some interviews and they were like all jitty on him, man.
Like, oh, it's great.
Wow.
I mean, you really spoke truth to power, man.
It was really good.
Truth to power.
Truth to power, man.
It was really fantastic.
It's not I found the Will Hurd clip that I was missing on the last show.
Oh, okay.
About the smart wall.
And, well, let's listen to this.
When we talk about the physical barriers, like I have, as you said, I have 800 miles of water, a border, excuse me.
And I've always said building a wall from sea to shining sea doesn't make sense.
But in certain places, it does make sense, whether it's urban to urban contact.
We need technology.
We need to be looking at all 2,000 miles of border at the same time.
The only way you can do that is technology.
We need additional manpower.
And so there's already a bill that most Democrats have voted on.
It's called the Secure Fact.
The Secure Fence Act, and it was amended two years later.
In that amended bill, all the leadership, the Democratic leadership right now, have already voted on it.
There's been much publicized about how Senator Obama at the time and Senator Clinton at the time had voted for this.
This should be the framework, and there's much physical barriers that weren't completed in that.
These Dems already voted on that.
That should be the framework for which we are looking Have the technology, make sure we double down on our ports of entry, is we should know everything that goes back and forth across our border.
The head of the Department of Homeland Security should be able to say, I want to know what's going at mile marker 36, and this should be able to pop up.
I'm not describing some futuristic Star Trek episode.
I'm describing that this is technology that exists today that we should be using along the border.
We're not right now, but there's programs that are in existence to do that, but they can't move forward because we're in the middle of a shutdown.
Look, I spent almost a decade as an undercover officer in the CIA. I was the guy in the back alleys collecting intelligence on threats to our homeland.
Wow, that's not how most spooks I know talk.
Hey man, I was that guy in the dark alley, like, protecting you from the terrorists.
Sounds a little, little too much to me.
Bull crap.
I was a guy in the back alleys collecting intelligence on threats to our homeland.
I did this in dangerous places like Pakistan and Afghanistan.
I was in India chasing bad guys, terrorists, Al Qaeda, you name it, stopping nuclear weapons proliferators.
This is what I did.
And when you look, we got to remember the drug trafficking organizations and kingpin human smugglers that are operating in Mexico.
They don't have to worry about government shutdowns.
they're making 67 billion dollars a year in the United States And guess what?
The U.S. intelligence budget is only $61 billion.
So we have to have a look at every mile of border and make sure we're using the right tools for that part of the border because every mile is different.
That's something I've seen having the largest amount of border of anyone in Congress.
I think Heard knows what's coming down the pike, and I think it'll be some version of a combo.
One of our producers, who wanted to remain anonymous, has actually worked with these fiber optic listening cables.
He says they're really incredibly good.
You can pinpoint exactly its vibrations.
It picks up all kinds of stuff.
He says it's very, very good.
The problem is it doesn't stop anybody.
It just alerts you to something that's happening.
It's somehow, you know, and Trump is kind of simplistic in that way.
He's like, no, if you run and you hit the wall, it stops you.
But I think Heard's basic idea is probably what's coming down.
Because we're hearing more and more, like, well, wait a minute, you know, the Democrats actually voted for this stuff, you know?
No, this is all in play.
I don't know why they don't just exploit it.
Orange man bad.
It is being exploited to make orange man look better.
Orange Man Band.
All right.
Yes.
All right, everybody.
I think we've earned our stripes for today.
I want to thank Danny Luce, Tom Starkweather, and Alex, who helped them out.
Gallup, Sir Chris Wilson, of course, for the end-of-show mixes.
A fantastic lineup today.
And I'll play the love-hate trumps on the next...
Too many clips.
On the next show.
And Thursday, Super Bowl predictions.
We'll do that.
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Once upon a time you did a crime, told a lie to the FBI.
Didn't you?
Woo!
Mule or Troy, once of all, you're about to fall, you thought they were all kidding you.
You used to last about everybody who had opted out.
Now you don't talk so loud as you're like mushroom clouds.
We're seeing and dreaming that next news is real.
How does it feel?
Yeah, how does it feel?
To be dragged from your home And to the black man you're thrown Like a Roger Stone The president has agreed to our request to open the government and then debate border security.
And one of my dogs is still traumatized, will not come out from under the bed, and won't stop shaking.
No one should ever underestimate the speaker as Donald Trump has learned.
She said that she was going to dog walk me.
And, you know, viewers can look up on Urban Dictionary what dog walking someone means, but to put it simply, it's to severely beat somebody up.
We have a donkey park at the hotel.
And I'm going to take you for a little walk.
Thank you.
Have a good time.
I'll be back in a few minutes.
Thank you.
Okay, good.
The president is clearly concerned about how this development is being viewed politically, especially because...
If we can't do that, then we'll do...
Obviously, we're going to do the emergency, because that's what it is.
This is like...
Giving you a bowl of doggy dew.
Put a cherry on top and call it a chocolate sundae.
This is nothing.
And one of my dogs is still traumatized, will not come out from under the bed, and won't stop shaking.
You take a dog, you go outside, it's freezing, and you walk around for a while, and it's not that easy.
Okay?
Be careful.
Put the dog down.
Oh, how are you?
Oh my goodness!
I'm here to walk your dog!
Oh my gosh!
Can't have no deal.
If you don't want to have no deal, you have to ensure that you have a deal.
Now, maybe Hitler was a baby.
If you don't want to have no...
Now that would mean staying in the European Union.
Waiting to respect the result of the referendum.
And that is...
Can't have no deal.
There is going to be a presumably want to deal with baby Hitler.
There never is going to be a deal.
There never is going to be a deal.
There never is for Hitler.
And the truth is that no pro-life person on earth would kill baby Hitler.
Presumably...
We are late, really.
We are going to delay times of the natural background radio since 1932.
There never is going to be a deal.
There never is.
A person on earth would kill baby Hitler.
Because baby Hitler wasn't Hitler.
Thank you.
I'm worried because I put those devices in my house.
Maybe Hitler was a baby.
Adults.
If you don't have no deal, there never is going to be a deal.
We can't have no deal.
And when you presume there is going to be a deal, there is going to be a deal.
Designed because 5G is designed to deliver.
Not all I want to do with baby Hitler is take baby Hitler.
Adult Hitler is Hitler.
Being in the European Union.
Can't have no...
If you don't want to assure the house businesses and background radians, we can't have no deal.
Do we use our magical reticle into this?
Or is a baby?
Maybe Hitler is a baby?
I think this is immediate.
He's a baby.
It was a baby.
It was a baby because I put those devices in my house.
What you presumably wanted to with baby Hitler was take 20 and 30s.
Uh-oh!
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