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1053: Lefties are Right

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	Maybe we need No Agenda Emergency Hammers.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Sunday, July 22nd, 2018.
	This is your award-winning Game on Asian Media Assassination, Episode 1053.
	This is No Agenda.
	Reading the black bars of FOIA and broadcasting live from the capital of the Drone Star State here in downtown Austin Tejas in the Clunio in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley where we're doing a show pre-Zephyr, I'm John C. Devorak.
	It's Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning.
	Yeah, you're right.
	That's the groovy part about a podcast.
	We can start whenever we want.
	Early, late.
	Or whenever we're ready, which is what we do.
	Yes, whenever we're ready.
	Whenever we're ready.
	Man, a lot of grief.
	I got a lot of grief.
	I think you could open every show with that.
	I got a lot of grief.
	We hit Belgium head on with the rain sticks.
	Just got the lower half of the Netherlands.
	We discussed this on Twitter.
	I really have nothing to say.
	You know my position on this.
	I can hold myself blameless for this mess.
	Well, it gets worse because we have a very serious request from Norway now.
	So first of all, it rained everywhere, except in the Netherlands where we wanted it to rain.
	And thanks, Muslim clerics, a lot of good you're praying did.
	That didn't help much.
	I think it's because a lot of this has to do with the speakers in the countries and the volume that they play the show at.
	I'm just guessing that in Holland they play the show over earbuds.
	Yes, it's not loud enough.
	Andromeda wrote in from Norway and she and her husband say it's pretty critical.
	In fact, we are their last chance.
	Since the beginning of May, there's been an unusual period of beautiful and warm weather in Norway, unseen in decades, maybe ever.
	Sunshine for days, temperature breaking every possible record.
	30 tropical days so far in Norway!
	Wow, sounds good.
	That's what I'm saying.
	What are they complaining about?
	What's your problem?
	Is it rain?
	Is it a place on fire?
	No.
	Yes.
	Yes, numerous forest fires, but here's the real problem.
	Because the warm weather began so early this year, in April, they have a full-blown agricultural crisis.
	Ah, yes.
	Well, that's nothing we can do about that.
	Grass from first yield was 30% of a normal year, so they don't think there'll be any second yield.
	Farmers are sending their cattle to slaughterhouses because they won't have enough feed for the winter, which will lead to a shortage of dairy products next year, possibly the year after that.
	But a boom in meat!
	Well, yeah.
	I guess they imported hay from the U.S., even though GMO products are banned, which, of course, everything that we sell is GMO. Pretty much.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, they're specifically asking for rain stick action.
	I don't want to deny anyone that, but I feel a little gun-shy after I was, I admit, I was a little careless on the stick.
	But maybe we should just do one shake for Norway?
	I think you did, you mean, you know, one flip, period, no more?
	One flip for Norway.
	And we're going to do it simultaneously this time.
	Yes.
	You count me in.
	I mean, I've clearly got to get my game back on.
	Okay.
	On the count, it's on the 3-2-1 count.
	All right.
	We flip once.
	All right.
	3-2-1.
	All right, Norway!
	All right, Andromeda, let us know how that went.
	That was not enough to do too much damage.
	No, I think anything that misses Norway will be okay.
	But again, apologies to Belgium.
	Wow, so sorry.
	Well, you know, then again.
	Then again.
	Well, after years of speculation, years I tell you, And certainly speculation on this show.
	We've always wondered who was behind the white helmets, those agent provocateurs, those actors who love saving people, then saving them again for the Instagram for their buddies.
	We've seen it so many times.
	Yeah, they've seen a number of people two or three times wearing the same exact clothes.
	Yeah, but also they put the victim back and then they do the whole scene again on Instagram.
	They're very silly.
	El Harba!
	For years, the white helmets have saved thousands of lives in Syria, but now even they've had to flee.
	After a request from the United States and some European countries, Israel evacuated them and their families to Jordan, saying there'd been an immediate threat to their lives.
	Israel's military stressed its non-intervention policy in Syria.
	According to Jordan's foreign ministry, they'll spend three months in the country and then be settled in Britain, Germany and Canada.
	The white helmets have mostly saved lives by rescuing people trapped in rubble after government and Russian airstrikes in rebel-held territory.
	Jordan's foreign ministry said their lives were in danger after a government offensive regained rebel-held parts of southern Syria.
	In all, 800 men, women and children were bused out of the danger zone towards Jordan.
	In the last few days, several hundred rebels and their families have also been evacuated from Kuneitra province as part of a peace deal brokered by the Russian military.
	The Syrian army, backed by Russian airstrikes, is gaining ground in the province, which borders the Golan Heights.
	Israel annexed the Golan from Syria in 1981.
	Well, there you go.
	So, Israel was funding him, after all.
	I find that weird.
	Why?
	Because of all these variant reports we kept getting.
	Well, remember, the whole strategy behind the white helmets is, you know, keep telling lies about what's been going on.
	And therefore, more intervention, more pushback, more bombs, even Trump bombed a couple times.
	To me, it seems very clear.
	Israel was behind it, and they're extracting him, now that we apparently have some deal that no one's reporting on.
	I mean, was there any big headline-breaking news for you?
	That was the secret meeting between Putin and Trump.
	Well, yes, obviously.
	So he hooked it up, so he's got Russia working with Israel.
	They're going to take care of the Syria situation.
	How that affects Iran is a little unclear, but that must have been part of the deal.
	Like, you know, all right, keep Iran out of there, and we'll let you guys do whatever you need to do.
	And now it looks like two million Syrian refugees can go home.
	Well, let's hope that's exactly what happens.
	Well, of course we hope that's what happens.
	I wouldn't want any other way.
	I'm just a little irked that the Israelis were behind the white helmets.
	It just seems very obvious to me.
	Well, again, this is not proof positive by any means.
	It could be a coincidence.
	Oh, yeah.
	Coincidence.
	Why?
	All right.
	Fine.
	Coincidence.
	Could be.
	Yeah, it could be.
	I'm not buying it.
	It seems like they were the bad actors on that part.
	I mean, everyone is a bad actor.
	But there's been no announcements, no overview, no real explanation of what the deal was.
	But yeah, of course, that's what they discussed.
	Let's subpoena the translators.
	Nut jobs.
	Seriously, nut jobs.
	Well, they're completely out of control.
	The media has lost it.
	This guy, Mark Shields, that's on the...
	PBS NewsHour on Fridays with Brooks.
	The guy, besides, now he's like apoplectic over Trump.
	Ooh, good word.
	Would you please explain apoplectic?
	You know, a wreck.
	Okay.
	He's a wreck, yes.
	And he...
	Do I have these clips here?
	I'm just wearing my Shields clips.
	Yeah, I got it here.
	I got Shields.
	Shields on Trump-Putin?
	Yeah, I guess.
	Shields on...
	What is this?
	I don't know.
	I have clips here.
	Did you print off the wrong clip list?
	I'm going to have to think that.
	Okay.
	Why don't I play it and you can hit Control-P. Wait, let me set it up.
	Okay.
	Let me set it up.
	He is not only shaking now when he's talking about Trump, he's getting liver spots all over his face.
	His hair is kind of like, doesn't look right, like a bad hair.
	He's just a wreck.
	Oh, he's getting sick from it.
	This is a bad situation.
	I've seen this happen.
	And I will relate an anecdote that my daughter told.
	She said she's out...
	At some restaurant, and there's a guy sitting nearby bitching about Trump, and then bitching about the fact that since Trump's been elected, he's developed high blood pressure and has to take a bunch of medication.
	Oh, God.
	This is unhealthy behavior, people.
	That's what we've been saying all along.
	But let's listen to this guy go nuts.
	All right.
	Meanwhile, you get the flat cable and put it in the RS-232.
	We're left with, Judy, a week of, I think, a blow to the United States of America.
	I don't have any question about it.
	To our leadership, the fraying of our relations with our longtime allies, a dismissal, almost a disparagement by the American president of democratically elected leaders and the messy problems that democracy requires, An adulation, a flattery, a giant sucking sound in the company of the Russian dictator, the president's part.
	And Dan Balz, perhaps as respected a writer as there is on Politics in America, wrote, is the when the setting called for a show of strength and resolve, Trump instead offered deference, defensiveness, equivocation and weakness.
	And I think that's fair.
	So does Shields not have an original thought of his own here?
	He has to quote other authors?
	I guess.
	I mean, I find that to be humiliating, but I mean, if you're a pundit...
	Yeah, you should have your own opinions.
	You're a pundit.
	You're a pundit for a reason.
	You're there to express your opinions, not to quote somebody else's opinions you think are superior.
	The way I look at it, well, let's get that guy on the show.
	You know, why do we want you?
	Yeah, why do we want you?
	And we can almost predict who's going to have a heart attack first.
	Seriously.
	We're seeing a lot of heart attacks.
	In the making.
	In the making from a lot of these guys who are just spitting mad.
	Spitting mad.
	You're right.
	It's just incredibly unhealthy and they're just...
	I have some thoughts on this after this second clip of Shields.
	Donald Trump is when he stands there and contradicts the unanimous judgment of all the men and women who are professionals in the United States intelligence services who have concluded unanimously that Russia Russia was behind the meddling cyber attacks and continues to be at this time and stands there and says, plays the ultimate compliment.
	You can talk about his words.
	We know his words.
	In his lexicon, the lexicon of Donald Trump, there are no greater compliments than to say, strong and powerful.
	And whom did he call?
	To call anybody weak is the ultimate insult.
	And he paid the ultimate compliment to Mr.
	Putin as he stood there and refusing to endorse and support the work of the American intelligent professionals in public.
	I've never seen a situation like that before.
	No American president's ever done that.
	That sounds like the ultimate compliment to me.
	The guy, he did have some right analysis there about what Trump thinks is a compliment, what he thinks is an insult.
	Weak.
	We've discussed weak on the show some time ago.
	So, this guy...
	Promotes the bull crap that 100%.
	In fact, he's taking it further about the intelligence agencies all agreeing.
	Now it's unanimous.
	He says the men and women.
	He's talking about every single intelligence agent on every agency.
	Well, he would know.
	I guess.
	You know, I just had a great idea for a strategy for the Democrats.
	And it's not a new one, but the timing would be perfect right now.
	They're early.
	I mean, they're peaking so hard right now with...
	Oh, yeah.
	This is going to be a problem.
	Yeah.
	I mean, to take this all the way to November, we need more events.
	We don't have...
	I mean, Putin was the...
	That was...
	I think that's the summit.
	That was the meeting.
	You know, that was the big one.
	They can keep this going for a while.
	But already, if you look at...
	There was a Gallup poll, which I guess I trust Gallup...
	That had, you know, Russian collusion is like 17 or 18 on the list of things people find important in America.
	Yeah.
	I didn't expect it to be high, but I didn't know it was that low.
	Because people are tuned out.
	They're just tuned out.
	It's not working anymore.
	Well, they hear it over and over again.
	And where's the evidence and all the rest of it?
	It's like...
	No, they're also just tuned out.
	They're just tuning out.
	They're done with it.
	But...
	There is something that could be done.
	It's an old strategy.
	We've discussed it before.
	And remember, the Democratic Party is now completely leaderless.
	And I would say, just speaking of heart attacks, it would be a good time for Bill to go.
	Yeah, actually.
	Because then we could have a solid six weeks of mourning and video, lots of video about his values, how great he was, how Hillary was there.
	How he balanced the budget.
	Yes.
	How he got rid of Yugoslavia.
	All kinds of great things that we could miss on.
	I mean, he was a fun president, I'll say.
	It was...
	He had his good moments.
	But then, you know, that would kind of ramp up into reestablishing the Democratic Party values, and then Hillary could come back in very smoothly and really start to bring people back together, whether for herself or for somebody else.
	But it would be a...
	Well, probably for herself.
	I'm just saying it would be an interesting strategy.
	Not for Bill, of course.
	He might not think it's so interesting.
	No, and Bill's not really...
	I don't...
	I think he's...
	He's not really upset about anything.
	I mean, he's not like this Shields guy who's upset.
	He's apoplectic, as I like to say.
	Bill's not.
	He just thinks it's great because it's like, he doesn't care.
	So he's not really a candidate for an immediate heart attack.
	Have you seen him?
	Yeah, he looks like hell.
	Yeah, the shadow of his former self.
	It wouldn't surprise anybody if he dropped it.
	Exactly.
	And the hag team would be ready.
	Did you see David Rockefeller when he was 99?
	I mean, the guy went for another decade or so.
	He looked like he was walking back.
	Well, that's because he drinks infant blood or something.
	That's what those guys do.
	I have one deranged clip from NPR, which has just been such a joy to listen to.
	This is actually the week in the news.
	It's an actual news program, not just some...
	About the news.
	It's about the news, yes.
	Jack Beatty back once again.
	Well, I didn't realize that Fifth Avenue ran through Helsinki.
	No, that was to me the revelation.
	You know, during the campaign, the candidate Trump said, my people will support me even if I go out on Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody.
	Well, the New York Daily News on Tuesday had a cover showing Trump and Putin walking down Fifth Avenue.
	Putin is bare-chested, by the way.
	And Trump is holding a pistol and he's shooting Uncle Sam.
	That press conference was the Fifth Avenue moment.
	And it told Trump, I think the danger is it told Trump, that he can get away with almost anything.
	Because what was the response?
	According to one poll, 79% of Republicans thought that debacle, a press conference.
	Is it debacle?
	Is it debacle?
	Yes, debacle.
	I don't think debacle is a, I don't think it's an alternative.
	From now on it is.
	Debacle.
	It's a debacle, baby.
	My debacle was a debris, let me tell you.
	Chris, what was the response?
	According to one poll, 79% of Republicans thought that debacle of a press conference and the meeting was a success.
	Meanwhile, in Russia, the host of a state TV program said Trump, quote, smells like an agent of the Kremlin.
	There was some hand-wringing in Congress, but nothing very decisive.
	In fact, the House voted down a measure to increase election security spending.
	And Trump is getting, if Trump has got the message he can get away with anything, we're on the road to Norm Ornstein's nightmare.
	He's, of course, the AEI political expert.
	His nightmare is that Trump fires Mueller, pardons himself and everybody else, sends his followers into the streets, and after the inevitable bloodshed, declares martial law.
	Now, you say, well, that can't happen.
	Well, who would have thought that the president could openly collude, not only openly collude, openly canoodle with the strong and powerful Kremlin leader and would receive 79 percent response from Republicans?
	There you go.
	Canoodle, baby.
	Holy mackerel.
	Is this guy unhinged?
	Yeah.
	And by the way, it finally was the Huffington Post finally wrote something that's been bothering me for a while.
	By the way, that was one hell of a clip you dug up there.
	Thank you.
	But no.
	No, it's okay.
	I don't think so either.
	What was I going to say?
	You're talking about the Huffington Post.
	They finally knuckled under.
	Yeah, they finally wrote, someone over there finally wrote an article and said, you know, New York Times, when you're making jokes, and this guy kind of did that a little bit as well.
	When you're making jokes about Putin and Trump being gay lovers, it's homophobia.
	And it is!
	because what it says is well you better give some background because there was i don't think we've talked about this no we haven't so they had a a cartoon the new york times on their website and it was a it was animated cartoon animated cartoon and it was putin and trump and they're kissing and they're making out and they're you know naked and they're cuddling and canoodling yes gay Yeah, gay.
	It's gay lovers.
	And, you know, I don't understand how, on one hand, you can be an SJW, BLM, LGGB, T-T-Q-Q-I-A-P-K-L-I... And then mock the whole gay relationships.
	It's because gay guys are not in the group.
	I've said this before.
	There's no community.
	And it's the gay guys who are getting the brunt of it now.
	And some of them are standing up and saying, hey, excuse me, this is not okay.
	It's about time.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Very annoying.
	Yeah, I found that cartoon to be hilariously homophobic, tasteless, and insulting.
	And, you know, people are...
	There was somebody...
	I don't know if I have that clip or not, but somebody's going on and on about, oh, my God, Trump said something about somebody...
	How can he be so insulting?
	There's other ways of doing things.
	There's other ways of presenting things.
	Has anybody listened to what they say about this guy?
	No.
	Or that cartoon?
	I mean, it's outrageously insulting.
	But that's part of what's going on.
	I don't know if it was outrageously insulting.
	To gay men it was.
	I think it was insulting to Putin and Trump.
	Maybe.
	I mean, they're not kissing.
	They're not...
	You know, he sees the...
	There they were.
	These are statesmen that are trying to, you know, maybe get us to world peace and maybe, you know, drop this...
	The potential for us blowing each other to smithereens, maybe minimize that a little bit, you know, work in that direction.
	Is that bad?
	I mean, all of a sudden they're kissing and smooching because we're trying to, like, maybe drop the World War III thing down to maybe not so much going to happen.
	I mean, I don't get it.
	Well, I'm not the only one who doesn't get it.
	Okay.
	I don't get it.
	Well, I do.
	That was my segue.
	Yeah, I'm looking for the clip.
	What are we playing?
	You never get it.
	You never figure it out.
	So they had Ujima or Jama Baraka.
	This guy is a left, left, lefty.
	You sent me this and I listened to it.
	And I want you to explain a little bit about this guy because I was not familiar with him.
	Okay.
	Ujamaa Baraka.
	Major, major, major lefty.
	He was the one who ran as a socialist, as vice president under Jill Stein.
	Ah, oh right, okay.
	Yes, now we remember who he is.
	But he's a real lefty.
	He's a socialist.
	He's a socialist?
	He's a socialist, borderline communist, hates capitalism.
	He's the old school.
	And him and his comrades are all very baffled by what's going on in the political scene because the stuff that Trump's doing, going after the FBI and the CIA and having these wars with him, seems to be like this is what we've seems to be like this is what we've wanted to do forever.
	Yeah, you've been saying this for years, that that's what the left used to be there.
	They used to be anti-war, anti-government, certainly wary of the government.
	Anti-intelligence agencies, anti-FBI, anti-war, all these things.
	And anti-capitalists, which I think is the weak spot.
	And they want to stop the Vietnam War.
	Yes, let's stop it.
	We've got to stop that war.
	So let's listen to some thoughts.
	Now, these are not short, because with the left, I will explain this, with the left, they can't really...
	The true left or the fake left of now?
	The true left.
	The true left, not the fake left, not the Bernie Sanders, it turns out.
	The true left.
	And I realize that this permeates all of the politics at the smallest, littlest levels in the The state of California, the true left, is long-winded.
	They can't just be concise.
	They can't just say something.
	They have to go on and on and on.
	And this, I'm reminded of when J.C. was a kid, and we were thinking of taking him to...
	Child care in this little area in Albany.
	But to take your child there, you had to take part.
	You had to do something.
	I can just see your eyes roll up in your head.
	You had to do something.
	And you had to go to the weekly meeting.
	What was your participation?
	Did you do the hokey pokey with the kids?
	No, it turns out that you could buy your way out with money.
	In great California tradition.
	So, but they had to go to these meetings and I think that was the deal breaker for me.
	These meetings.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	What kind of outfit was this with meetings?
	It's like Montessori AA? It was just a typical Bay Area local daycare.
	And these meetings were these long-winded women going on and on to the point where you wanted to shoot yourself.
	And that's what we're going to have to deal with when we listen to lefties.
	But these guys are the real deal.
	And this is the kind of thinking that's going on in the left, the true left.
	Wait, one more question and I'll be quiet.
	Did you play the recorder with the kids?
	All right.
	Here, let's start with the clip one.
	Please welcome Ajammu Baraka to Flashpoint South Pacifica Radio.
	How are you, sir?
	I'm doing well.
	I thought for a moment you were going to say I was shucking to the right also.
	Well, just to make that clear to our listeners, let me read something from the Black Alliance for Peace, the last newsletter I just received.
	The ongoing and deepening crisis of U.S. society has caused anger, fear, and confusion.
	The precipitous decline of the standard of living for millions of people in the United States helped produce the conditions for the election of Trump.
	This, in turn, created the Democrats' irrational anti-Russia position.
	The problem, of course, is that whether it is taking aggressive, militaristic positions, with either Russia or North Korea pushing an already unstable and reckless Trump administration to be more forceful, is a dangerous position that could easily pull the United States into another military conflict.
	But that is precisely what the Democrats and their liberal allies have been demanding, with potentially disastrous consequences for millions.
	That's a heck of a statement, and I agree with it.
	So that was kind of the introduction of this guy, and it starts off with some Democrat hate.
	And the argument they start to make is that the Democrats have no left-leaning people anymore.
	They're all old liberals, and they never say neoliberals, but they call them old liberals, and they're kind of leaning to the right.
	And they've adopted all these what were once Republican positions so far as hating Russia and wanting war.
	So let's go on to clip two where we get a little more interesting.
	If you struggle now in a certain kind of way, you will be accused of being an authoritarian or abusive or whatever.
	Everything has shifted.
	Everything has shifted.
	But don't we still have history?
	That was one of the things that the left in this country prided itself on, which was it was on the right side of history.
	And would constantly cite chapter and verse history.
	So, for example, you and I both know, share knowledge, that the history of the FBI in this country, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, is one of a sinker police force.
	Is one of, has largely been one of repression.
	Particularly when it comes to the relationship of the FBI to the black community in this country.
	Or when it comes to the relationship of the FBI assassinating political figures like...
	What is the historical bad relationship between the FBI and the black community in this country?
	Well, it goes back to the assassination of Martin Luther King.
	We're sure the FBI did that.
	They're pretty convinced of it, and they also got some of the records from the old J. Edgar Hoover thing where they put a tail on anyone who had anything to do with civil rights, had a tail put on them, the FBI was following them around and bugging their phones.
	I mean, this book's written about it, but this thing here, what he's about to say is the one that kind of got me...
	Because he said it on some other show, this guy, the guy who's the host, about this assassination of this Puerto Rican guy.
	I don't know anything about this, but back it up.
	When it comes to the relationship of the FBI to the black community in this country.
	Or when it comes to the relationship of the FBI, assassinating political figures like Filabeto Ojeda Rios in Puerto Rico, right?
	We know that...
	Sounds like from his pronunciation he's got an axe to grind with it, that's for sure.
	But just because...
	Well, he has...
	I think this guy's a Latino, maybe.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's what I'm saying, you know.
	But who is this guy that was assassinated in Puerto Rico?
	They're on local Berkeley radio.
	Who cares?
	No one's listening.
	In Puerto Rico, right?
	We know that.
	But just because Trump criticizes the FBI and Mueller and says that...
	They're putting one on on him.
	Doesn't automatically eliminate what we know about the FBI. But suddenly, we've got these fools who are saying, you know, we should not be criticizing the FBI. Look, Kevin, I'm not going to call this person's name.
	There was someone I saw on Facebook just yesterday.
	One of the well-known, if not famous, leftists in this country.
	Who was circulating a story from the Daily Calls, one of those liberal rags.
	The Daily Caller?
	The central character in that story was John Brennan.
	Who was, in fact, criticizing Trump and basically saying that what he did was essentially traitorous.
	And so I'm thinking, why would this individual be highlighting and legitimizing a criminal like John Brennan?
	This is the kind of confusion that we have at this point.
	Now, how does he know John Brennan's a criminal?
	It's just by definition.
	Okay.
	So now we're talking, this is the real left, and this is one of the things that we don't do on this show, which is look at the other side, but not the other bogus side, not the Bernie Sanders.
	The actual side.
	The actual other side.
	The actual other side of the fence.
	And hear what they have to say, because they're completely beside themselves with The fact that there was this off-the-shelf illegal intelligence operation that seemed to take form in July of 2016 under the auspices of control of Democratic Party operatives to infiltrate
	And to begin to gather information on the Trump campaign in order to either come up with a quote-unquote October surprise, or to in fact, as Peter Strzok said, to have an insurance policy just in case of the unlikely possibility of Donald Trump winning.
	So this criminality that Trump refers to all the time took place at the highest levels of the FBI and the CIA. They roped in the DSA. And under the leadership of the Director of National Intelligence.
	And they never dreamed, I think, that the depth of the conspiracy would come out.
	Because, again, they were convinced that Hillary Clinton was going to win.
	And if she would have won, then this kind of illegal activity that they engaged in, infiltrating this opposition campaign, wouldn't have come out.
	But, you know, there's enough, my point is, there's enough evidence there for us to at least be raising serious questions.
	But because Trump is raising those questions and people who support Trump, then they are automatically, automatically dismissed.
	And that to me is very, very dangerous because we're talking about criminal activity at the highest level of government, one.
	But secondly, What does it imply if a real radical, for example, was able to win that highest office through some kind of miracle or whatever?
	Oh, Lord.
	If these folks are wanting to engage in what they're engaging in right now to undermine a member of their own class, what would they have done if Jill Stein and I had won?
	Well, the same thing they didn't do when Obama won, who was definitely radical.
	Well, yeah, it's hard to say.
	But they definitely wanted Hillary in.
	Well, yes.
	They were irked about it.
	Yeah, but the way you got to look at this, all the people who are shaking and angry and deranged, I can't think that anything else in those people are somehow, even tangentially, they are complicit in whatever was going on that made everyone just all easy about her winning.
	If that makes any sense.
	I see representatives.
	I see senators.
	I see a lot of people very, very worried about anything else being uncovered from all these investigations.
	It was a little hard to look through all of the redactions, but the FISA warrant for Carter Page, which is now out, and again, it's heavily redacted.
	You can't get anything.
	You can't get much from it, but you certainly can't get the key things you'd be looking for.
	Like, you know, the origin of the dossier.
	Now, it may be redacted out somewhere, but why would you redact that out?
	You'd expect them to leave that in.
	Not if it was sketchy.
	Well, yeah, okay, agreed.
	If it was sketchy, you'd leave it out.
	Now there's nothing in there.
	No, there's nothing.
	Well, anyway, I got a kick out of listening to these lefties.
	Going on and on.
	Because they're right.
	It's like this is a high level corruption and nobody seems to care.
	The lefties are right.
	I'm so confused now.
	The lefties are right.
	I'm confused.
	So is this still the leader of the real lefties?
	Are there any other ones left?
	No, he's not the leader of anything.
	He is just one of the many in the group.
	But it's as if they're beside themselves.
	They don't know what to do.
	Right.
	And he said earlier in the second clip, he says you can't say anything because then they call you names.
	That's horrible.
	They might call me names.
	Oh, boy.
	Oh, jeez.
	Okay.
	I just thought that was very interesting.
	No, I liked hearing.
	Even the second time was fun listening to it.
	You actually listened to the whole thing?
	Yeah, you sent it to me.
	I listened to it.
	And I replied to your email.
	Oh, I didn't get that.
	Really?
	I didn't see it.
	Come on, go find it.
	Go to your squirmail, John.
	Yeah, find it.
	I know you can find my email.
	That's right.
	The mail program that never disappoints.
	It's...
	Squat me!
	Whoa!
	Gives the product a whole new boost.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think people are going to flock to it now.
	Dustin Jones, thank you for that.
	Dustin got the message.
	Let's see.
	I did get a couple other things.
	Hold on a second.
	I actually went to Squirrel Mail.
	I thank you for that because I needed to...
	You need to hit update?
	No, I need to open it to get the spreadsheet off.
	Oh, okay.
	Very good.
	Very good.
	Let's see.
	Our DHS cyber chief reporting now the election system works.
	It's resilient to tampering.
	It wasn't tampered with before.
	That's right.
	That's correct, but just letting you know what they're saying.
	Actually, the most interesting thing to me that came in, I think there's actually a tweet that someone said I should take a look at this.
	We were very, not just we, but security experts Steve Gibson were just flummoxed as to this level of detail that the intelligence...
	Didn't you play the Gibson clip the last show?
	Yes, I did.
	I'm not going to play it again, I'm just referring to the last show.
	How even security expert Steve Gibson was confused.
	Did they have some kind of general, all-encompassing knowledge of every packet on the internet?
	I'm paraphrasing, but that's kind of what he was saying.
	Yes, it makes zero sense what they said.
	But they are all in agreement, unanimously.
	So one of our producers, one of our dudes named Ben, tweeted something to me, and I looked into the Cisco router lawful intercept function, which I love as a name by itself.
	It's very Orwellian.
	Oh, it's dynamite.
	So Lawful Intercept, and I'm looking at the docs here, it's publicly available on the Cisco website.
	Lawful Intercept is a process that enables a law enforcement agency to perform electronic surveillance on an individual target as authorized by a judicial or administrative order.
	So you would need, I presume, a warrant or a form of a warrant.
	To facilitate the lawful intercept process, certain legislation regulations require service providers and internet service providers to implement their networks to explicitly support authorized electronic surveillance.
	I didn't know that was a requirement.
	It doesn't surprise me, but I didn't know it was a requirement.
	Let me see how this works.
	Now, the way this is legal is because it supports the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, the CALEA. which describes how service providers in the United States must support lawful intercept.
	But it only works with the Telephone Industry Association and the packet cable electronic surveillance specifications.
	So I guess that encompasses all ISPs, but it seems to be more kind of a legal way of doing this because it involves wires, I guess.
	That's where the CALEA thing comes from.
	But if you look at what they can do, it's really quite interesting.
	So, let me see.
	They can identify a device, authentication, authorization, accounting.
	It says they can get targets, usernames, system IP addresses.
	Really, they can make snapshots of every packet where it's going, but they also have this tap function where if you're going to listen to someone's VoIP call or any other call that's going over the network, It will just suck off every single packet and then be reassembled later into whatever it needs to be to decode it, whether it was an email or whether it was just a file being sent or whether it was a voice over IP stream.
	They really do.
	It's kind of like the building on 2nd Street in San Francisco where they just plug in a tap and just suck off everything that's going to that particular IP address.
	Yeah, and worry about it later.
	Yep, yep, yep, yep.
	Uh, so that could be a way that they got some of this information.
	I presume that would mean that they had to have the lawful intercept function enabled on a router near the GRU in Russia.
	I guess.
	Maybe.
	Maybe not.
	Maybe this is all bull crap.
	Oh, very possible.
	But I wouldn't mind actually knowing.
	I wouldn't mind understanding it.
	And I'm, as always, disappointed in the technology press.
	I'm looking at you, CNET, or New York Times, anybody.
	Just give me a little more information on this.
	What exactly happened?
	How do they know this?
	Ask the question, at least.
	Nobody even bothers to ask the question.
	Well, you can look at that document in the show notes.
	I will say this, though.
	The fact that Trump and Putin had a secret meeting for four minutes or whatever it was.
	Two hours.
	Oh.
	Two hours.
	It was two hours?
	Four minutes, two hours, whatever.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So they had this secret meeting and nothing snuck out of there because Putin is a little more...
	I mean, maybe the KGB or not KGB. Yeah, his tradecraft, his spycraft.
	They swept the room.
	So they have to say, oh my God, we wanted some stuff to...
	I almost get the impression Trump wanted something to leak.
	And nothing leaked.
	So they said, okay, we're going to invite Putin to Washington.
	Because when he comes over here, we're going to have another secret meeting.
	It'll get leaked.
	That'll get leaked.
	My office is filled with bugs.
	One of our producers positive that was a pretty interesting idea that there could have been a USB stick handoff in the meeting.
	Yeah, I thought that was a good idea.
	It's possible.
	Yeah, it could be all kinds of stuff.
	No, probably what they did is, look, how do we save China?
	Because that'll suck if those guys go down.
	We need to protect Xi.
	Said, hey, what can we do with this situation in Syria?
	Looks like they fixed it.
	I don't think Trump's a big fan of this war in Syria like the neocons are.
	No.
	And let's remember that that is really the reason for this Russia hate is there is a large group, certainly in the United States, who really advocate for war and they really want it because it's good for business.
	And I'd say you can call them neocons, you can call them Republicans, they're douchebags.
	I'd call them douchebags.
	Yeah, well, they're douchebags, but they really want war because it does work, but we don't need it.
	The economy on paper looks great.
	A lot of it has to do with decimated our manufacturing base by giving everything to China and letting them take our technology and everything in between.
	It's going to look great because it looks like we're after a war.
	We're rebuilding the economy like it was with Germany after World War II. After the war, yeah.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	So things would be looking good, technically.
	And just a note on meddling in other people's affairs.
	Just meddling.
	Whether it's elections or otherwise.
	Meddling.
	Meddling.
	I was doing some research, and you remember it was Frank Wisner who started the Mockingbird, Operation Mockingbird, which later...
	It was uncovered in the church commission hearings, and it turns out that a whole bunch of journalists were on the CIA payroll.
	But I mean, really, across the board, Washington Post, the Alsop brothers.
	Isn't Stuart Alsop still writing for the New York Times?
	Or is he dead by now?
	The venture capitalist Stuart Alsop, who was the editor of Infoworld?
	At the time, New York Herald Tribune.
	No, you're thinking that's a different Alsop.
	You're thinking Stuart Alsop's the guy that we know.
	Well, it says Stuart Alsop here.
	Yeah, he's the son.
	Oh, okay.
	His family's got everyone's name pretty much the same.
	Ah, okay.
	So it was his dad then?
	His dad or his uncle?
	I have no idea.
	Let me see.
	Stuart Elser, Ben Bradley, James Reston, that's the Times, Charles Douglas Jackson, Time Magazine, Walter Pincus, there's a name I remember, The Post, William C. Baggs, Herb Gold, Charles Bartlett, Chattanooga Times.
	Anyway, so I was researching this, and it turns out that there was another, that was all for really U.S.-based press.
	We had a lot of people overseas.
	I mean, the Paris Review was a CIA front.
	Okay, this is where I'm going.
	I just want everyone to know what we have been doing and how we operate here in America.
	We do it pretty well, actually.
	And it started with something which was completely CIA-funded.
	You may remember this.
	I'm too young for it.
	The Congress for Cultural Freedom, the CCF. Does this ring a bell at all?
	No.
	Well, it later was exposed by some French magazine, Rampart magazine actually, I think at the time were based in Paris.
	But this thing was an operation where they just had hundreds of millions of dollars and they were giving it to agents and contractors worldwide, but mainly in Europe, to influence...
	You know, the post-Second World War, Cold War Europe to accept the, quote, American way.
	And they financed the Boston Philharmonic Orchestra to go over and play, but they did big parties for artists.
	They had, you know, these CA-connected spooks with galleries.
	They had co-opted There's always been speculated they co-opted Andy Warhol, or at least liked his soup cans and Brillo pads so much because it projected Americana.
	And there was just hundreds of millions of dollars being spent on psychologically indoctrinating the artistic intelligentsia of Western Europe.
	And it was a huge program.
	I've never heard anyone really talk about it.
	Yes, there has been some discussion about this co-opting the art community by the CIA to promote American values, especially overseas where they really didn't exist much.
	And this is 60s, 70s when this was taking place.
	Yeah.
	I don't know too much about it.
	I've heard a couple of things even recently that have been trying to do stuff like that.
	Well, we still have Voice of America proudly beaming out on Longwave.
	No, I mean, I'm talking about in the arts.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, music.
	I think a lot of music has potential for influence, just getting it played.
	I'm still waiting for my CIA check.
	Yeah, where is it?
	I taught Holland how to say Madonna.
	Come on, guys.
	Give me a check.
	Yeah, well, you're...
	But it's really fascinating.
	You already did that.
	Water under the bridge.
	It's like you don't pay the guy after the fact.
	Afterwards, no.
	But I did put a couple of links in the show notes, nashownotes.com, and learn about the Congress for Cultural Freedom.
	It's truly a fantastic operation.
	And, you know, we just go straight for the entertainment.
	And through that I learned that both 1984 and Animal Farm, the endings were edited by the CIA, different from the book.
	That's where that whole Hollywood office started.
	So if you read Animal Farm and you look at the U.S. production of Animal Farm, at the end, in the animated movie, it's just the pigs who are left over.
	In the book, of course, it's the pigs and the farmers, and there's this open to interpretation as to what happens.
	It's a little different than the CIA edited version.
	And that's now all admitted, that they sat there and said, no, we can't have that.
	I don't really like the idea of the CIA making those sorts of artistic determinations.
	They're not really a bunch of artists.
	No.
	By their nature.
	They're not.
	They're not.
	They don't have artist sensibilities.
	But what are you going to do?
	No.
	But since you brought a word up, I might as well play this little clip and get it out of the way.
	Because I know you've been wanting this one.
	This is...
	Carling.
	It says Carling on nice, fine, and great.
	I know what it is that bothers me about that whole thing.
	It's the word nice.
	It's just a weak word.
	Doesn't have a lot of character, you know?
	Nice.
	Isn't he nice?
	Oh, he is so nice.
	And she's nice, too.
	Isn't that nice?
	How nice they are.
	I don't care for that, you know?
	It's like fine.
	Here's another word.
	How are you?
	Fine!
	Bullshit!
	Nobody's fine.
	Hair is fine.
	How's your hair?
	Fine!
	That makes a lot more sense to me.
	Some guys are great.
	You'll meet those guys.
	Great!
	Isn't this great?
	Goddamn, this is great!
	Look, they're gonna kill that guy!
	Isn't that great?
	That's great!
	Yeah, Tina is smiling, I know.
	We have lots of conversations about the word fine.
	I call it the F word.
	Before I'd heard this Carlin skit, I said, fine, that's the dreaded F word.
	It wasn't all that great.
	Oops, now I said the great word.
	Great.
	Yeah, you're that guy.
	I am that guy.
	Before we hit our first break, we have another fantastic story.
	I'm not quite sure who's playing it or how or what the deal is, other than it just plays so well to the imagination.
	Moreover, her GQ spread, I didn't even know that this woman had done a spread in GQ. This is the new Russian spy.
	What is her name?
	Martina?
	Marina?
	Yeah, it's Is this a redhead or is this another one?
	This is a different one.
	I mean, it's from central casting.
	It couldn't be any better.
	She's another redhead Russian.
	I saw her.
	I didn't clip any of this, but I saw her and I said, wow, she's following that kind of Russian kind of style where she's kind of pretty when she's young and then she starts looking like a babushka pretty early.
	The ankles balloon.
	And I'm thinking, jeez.
	Maria, isn't it?
	But it's not the same woman, okay.
	Her name is Maria, but if you just do a Bing search on Maria GQ Russian Spy...
	And I'm not sure yet how she got in GQ, but everything you want in your Russian spy hot chick fantasy is there.
	And here's a little background, because we have spies amongst us, baby!
	It's just like the movies!
	I'm a representative of Russian Federation.
	In this video and in a photo shoot for GQ, 29-year-old Maria Bettina looks like a Russian spy out of central casting.
	She came to the U.S. on a student visa in 2016.
	But the Justice Department alleges she took steps to develop relationships with American politicians in order to...
	What bothers me about the reporting, besides it being typically shit and just so incomplete, if she came in on a student visa in 2016, she should be deported.
	It sounds like she changed her status or something happened, the reason why she's still here at all.
	Otherwise, maybe she's just being held in detention because she was here illegally.
	You can't come in on a student visa and be working in any capacity, and I doubt that you got a student visa for three or four years.
	Those typically go year by year.
	You know, I'm looking at pictures of her.
	The other girl is much better looking.
	Oh, yeah, but she got deported.
	So, this is all we got?
	Be happy with it.
	...the interests of the Russian Federation.
	Photos show her with Wisconsin's Republican Governor Scott Walker and NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre.
	Thank you, Maria, and thank you, Mike Kimmerer, for hosting this important event.
	During President Trump's inauguration in 2017, Butina sent out this photo of herself near the US Capitol.
	She tried unsuccessfully to arrange a meeting between President Trump and Vladimir Putin.
	Maria is, I believe, the tip of the iceberg.
	Seattle's Naveed Jamali knows all about spying.
	In the same way that one would say someone enters the mob, I was eventually a made man.
	He provided information to the GRU, the Russian intelligence organization recently indicted by special counsel Bob Mueller.
	The Russians believed I was a legitimate asset, that I was trustworthy of being given directives to collect intelligence for them, and I was now within their network.
	Jamali was actually a double agent working for the FBI counterintelligence division.
	Were you being paid by the Russians for this information?
	What I said to the Russians is, I just want money.
	So the short answer, Dave, is that, yeah, they were paying me.
	And what I did with that money was take it, give it to the FBI, who would then give me the same exact amount in cash back.
	I think this little nugget here is the entire reason for the report.
	As the signal now is, hey Russia, it doesn't matter who you try to buy because we'll just match your offer.
	What?
	Hold on a second.
	Let's go back to what he said.
	They're laundering money, the FBI. That's what it sounds like.
	Yeah.
	But he took, he says, he took the money to the FBI and they gave him cash back.
	Yeah.
	What was the form of money the Russians were paying in?
	Pigs?
	Pigs?
	Bitcoin?
	I don't know.
	I think it's irrelevant.
	It's irrelevant.
	I'm sure it wasn't a check from the GRU. What's happening is it's the same process as money laundering, but I think it's also a message.
	I get it.
	I just don't get his explanation.
	What he's telling me doesn't make any sense at all, but okay.
	I was now within their network.
	Were you being paid by the Russians for this information?
	What I said to the Russians is, I just want money.
	So the short answer, Dave, is that, yeah, they were paying me.
	And what I did with that money was take it, give it to the FBI, who would then give me the same exact amount in cash back.
	Yeah, so it sounds like it was an online transaction, and then he got cash.
	What a gig!
	So I'm happy to say that not only were we able to beat the Russians, but they were actually funding our efforts against them.
	Seattle is not immune to Russian espionage.
	FBI investigators tell me they kept a close watch on the now-evicted Russian diplomats working at the consulate in Madison Park.
	And as we first reported two years ago, the Russians have been attempting to infiltrate some of our biggest employers, including Boeing, Amazon, and Microsoft.
	Whatever they can do to gain an advantage, it happens every single day.
	Corporate espionage.
	It's happening, yes.
	As Maria Bettina works her way to our justice system, there are more alleged spies behind her, including some keeping a close watch on the Pacific Northwest.
	I know there are.
	Even though the consulate here has been closed, I have no doubt that there was a network that supported that intelligence collection efforts that relied on non-uniform, non-diplomatic cover personnel.
	And I very much believe that that network would stay in place here.
	Yeah.
	Good old Seattle.
	Filled with rooskies.
	Hot ones.
	Hot rooskies in Seattle.
	She's really not hot, but she knows how to carry herself.
	And she was sleeping with people.
	Like, for information.
	You know, if some woman wants to go out and start sleeping with people, just randomly.
	Spy.
	Spy.
	It's got to be a spy.
	I think she'd probably meet a few people.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You know, what's her name?
	She's sleeping with everybody.
	She's sleeping with everybody?
	What's her phone number?
	Then, let me see.
	Oh, yes.
	Browder now has to defend his reputation after Vladimir Putin.
	He has a reputation?
	I guess.
	I guess he's got something to defend.
	And when you need to go defend your reputation as a right-winger, where do you go?
	To the money, honey.
	You go to Maria Bartiromo, or in this case, Maria, would you blow me?
	Tell us about that, because just to briefly go through your story, at one point, you were one of the leading investors in Russia.
	You owned a lot of Russian companies, Russian stocks, and your Hermitage Capital Fund.
	You were living between Moscow and London.
	You were traveling back and forth all the time.
	When you became aware of corruption going on, oligarchs stealing money from Russian companies.
	What?
	There's corruption going on?
	What am I doing here in Russia right after the Soviet Union collapsed?
	I don't understand!
	Go ahead.
	It's so stupid.
	I mean, you don't even go to Russia for the first time without being told, without, I mean, just reams of information about the corruption in Russia.
	Where not to go.
	That was before the fall of communism, and it got worse after.
	So he's all of a sudden...
	Out of the blue is what?
	He was a legitimate businessman doing legitimate business in Russia.
	There's no way.
	This is a bullcrap story.
	Well, it's Maria Baderomo.
	...ware of corruption going on.
	Oligarchs stealing money from Russian companies.
	You wanted it stopped.
	You started to become more of an active investor calling out this.
	And then what happened, Bill?
	Well, so after exposing corruption in these big companies like Gazprom, Putin expelled me from the country, declared me a threat to national security.
	The police then raided my offices in Moscow, seized all my documents.
	I had a young lawyer named Sergei Magnitsky start to investigate.
	And he figured out that they seized those documents to steal $230 million of taxes that we paid to the Russian government.
	He exposed it.
	He was then arrested by some of the people he exposed, put in pretrial detention, tortured for 358 days, and then killed at the age of 37 in a Russian prison on November 16, 2009.
	And since then, I've put aside everything else I'm doing on a mission to get justice for Sergei Magnitsky, which has...
	Yeah, good justice for Sergey.
	You know, and this guy, you know, he needs to just stop bleating.
	Because anybody who renounces their citizenship doesn't deserve any protection.
	Wouldn't you say?
	Yes, he renounces American citizenship, which is suspect, except for one reason, which some people will do.
	Taxes.
	Yeah.
	Although some people have done it for political reasons.
	Few.
	Few.
	Very few.
	But I know one.
	But it happens.
	But this guy just seems smarmy.
	I have one more clip here.
	This is a very serious matter.
	Now the charges that he levels against you, which were all debunked, we should say, but he says you avoided taxes in Russia and in the U.S. and that you gave hundreds of millions of dollars to Hillary Clinton.
	Your reaction?
	Your reaction.
	What kind of question is that?
	Your reaction.
	That's the Larry King method.
	No, Larry King, I don't think.
	Your response.
	Larry King has never said that.
	He says stuff like, your response.
	Yeah, he does.
	To maybe a caller.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't like it.
	Larry Clinton, your reaction.
	Well, he's been throwing out charges against me like candy.
	These particular charges have been analyzed by the US Department of Justice, by the British government, by Interpol, by the German government, and have all been rejected outright.
	It's just complete nonsense.
	In terms of the Hillary Clinton campaign contributions, I've given zero, zero contributions to Hillary Clinton in any campaign.
	I do not make U.S. campaign contributions.
	And in fact, this $400 million number that he threw out, they then walked back to $400,000 the next day, and the real number is zero.
	Okay, well, there you go.
	Was it walked back to $400,000?
	I don't remember that.
	That's what he's saying.
	I think I would have noticed.
	That's what he's saying.
	It was walk back.
	How come it never showed up in any of the news reports?
	You'd think it would have with everybody against Trump and Putin.
	You'd think?
	It sounds like he's just buffaloing her.
	Yeah.
	Maybe somebody in the chat room can do some research for us.
	Okay.
	Troll room.
	Yes.
	Troll room, sorry.
	Last thing I got on the meeting, Putin-Trump, is oil prices.
	Just a little more like a backgrounder slash overview.
	Nothing crazy about it, but just the prices and who needs what.
	This is the chairman of Pioneer National Resources.
	We're almost at $4 gasoline in some states.
	When Brent is $80, you're almost at $4 gasoline.
	That'll have a major impact on the American consumer.
	That's the reason I think the president is trying to intervene, bring the price down a little bit.
	Let's look at the top line number.
	The U.S. is at a record nearly 11 million barrels a day.
	Your projections are to get to 15 million, which is extraordinary, passing Russia and Saudi Arabia comfortably.
	What's the timeframe?
	It's over the next seven to eight years, maybe 10 years, but we'll see a lot of it in the next five years.
	We'll be at 13 fairly quickly.
	We'll surpass Russia here shortly in the next three to four months.
	We'll be at 15 sometime in 2026.
	How about the trade sanctions that we see the U.S. applying on China, on Canada, on the European Union?
	Do you worry as a U.S. chief executive that the American president is being too aggressive?
	Yes, it's affecting at least two things.
	One, exports.
	We do export as a country to China about 300,000 barrels of oil per day.
	Now, we hope that if they do put tariffs on oil, China does, we can find another home for that 300,000 barrels.
	Secondly, the pipe tariffs.
	So we use a lot of pipe in our industry.
	And so it's raising the cost of the pipe 20, 25, 30 percent by putting tariffs on foreign steel.
	Do you think we're on the precipice of something more severe, though, that the tariffs could lead to a severe slowdown in 2019 or not?
	I don't think so.
	Trump is a businessman.
	He's a trader.
	And I think China and the U.S. will work something out.
	Did he call Trump a traitor?
	Yes, he's a traitor.
	Okay, so that could mean that oil prices may go down a little bit.
	I don't track it.
	Is it 70 now a barrel?
	I'd have to look.
	I can look in a second.
	But I'll tell you this.
	They're pumping.
	If we're going to keep this going, this craziness continuing, we're going to pump ourselves into a glut and the price of oil is going to drop to the floor.
	I mean, that's the only end result of what they're doing.
	That's what it sounds like.
	In particular, what I didn't think about that.
	Right now, the price of crude, regular crude, not Brent.
	It's 68.
	What's Brent?
	That's a better stock.
	What's the price?
	It's not on my list.
	65.
	Okay.
	It wouldn't be 65.
	It would be more.
	More than 68.
	You wouldn't expect it to go much lower, then, according to this guy.
	He says, can't go to 80 because that's too much.
	And he has a lot of trust that we're going to work it out with China.
	But I didn't realize that the tariffs would actually impact our oil export.
	I didn't know we exported 300,000 barrels a day to China.
	That's a lot.
	That's quite a lot.
	So if the tariffs preclude that, that could be problematic.
	Well, China understands that they need the oil for the energy.
	I mean, yeah, they produce a lot of...
	They have a lot of coal.
	They have a huge supply of coal, and they got these other things that they can use.
	They need more energy.
	They need a lot of energy because they're still in the growth phase.
	Well...
	Whatever the case, it would be a Dvorakism.
	I've got to get rid of that.
	Congress is saying, okay, they will allow the president's deal with ZTE Corp.
	to remain in place.
	No sanctions or adjusted sanctions for ZTE. So crisis averted, on one hand, I think Trump had to show, according to my thesis, which is that he needed to help Xi keep ZTE alive because it would possibly trigger a domino effect in the Chinese economy.
	I could be wrong.
	Or, you believe what everyone else says, that it's to get Ivanka's trademarks passed in China and to build Trump Tower in Beijing or whatever.
	Yeah, he can do that without this bullcrap.
	He can do that anytime.
	You'd think.
	And Ivanka, you know, it's not like she's starving to death.
	I'm just saying.
	That is what people cite as the reason.
	Yes, Adam Schiff.
	Vote for us!
	Adam Schiff in particular.
	Adam Schiff.
	Yeah, there you go.
	There's a guy.
	But that's good news because you'd think that, okay, if Trump...
	I'm just playing my thesis.
	If Trump said, all right, I'll fix that, and he fixed it, and how he did that, I don't know.
	That was some real backroom shit because there were bills.
	Everyone wanted to slap him down over that.
	So someone went out with a message and said, listen, we really got to do this.
	Now, we need the quid pro quo.
	What are we going to get back?
	I don't know.
	It'll be something interesting.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C., and S.E. stands for Cultural Freedom at Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, too, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also, in the morning to all ships would see boots on the ground, feet in the air.
	Subs in the water.
	And all the dames and knights out there.
	And in the morning to the Troll Room.
	Anybody and everyone is welcome in the Troll Room at NoAgendaStream.com when we do the show live.
	But it's a 24-7 operation thanks to Void Zero and...
	Space Force!
	Bemrose and Space Force who keep it running.
	And we have tons of cool shows on the stream.
	But we do the show live.
	And we break in and that's where everyone hangs out.
	The Troll Room.
	NoAgendaStream.com.
	And in the morning to Nick the Rat...
	Besides having a fabulous show on the stream himself, Nick does plenty of artwork for us, and he has somehow pulled together the digital missiles, the attack, and showed us a landscape with Twitter missiles shooting skywards.
	Little Twitter birds with rocket plumes shooting out of their butts.
	It worked.
	It worked.
	It worked well for the show.
	It explained a lot.
	Summarize the show.
	Summarize the show.
	Twitter birds with missile plumes shooting out of their butt.
	Thank you very much, Nick.
	And thank you to all the artists who support us.
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	You stayed for the juvenile delinquency.
	I mean, the juvenile humor.
	Juvenile.
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	We have two executive producers and three associates today.
	John Russ, I think it's Sir John Robinet, 33333 is our top executive producer, with 33 cents.
	ITM, John and Adam, it's a somewhat drunk donation.
	It's also a call out to all the douchebags and men and women overboard who have stopped listening or donating.
	If they've stopped listening, this message won't be heard.
	Yes to the person who thinks this does not apply to them.
	I mean you.
	Only you can keep the No Agenda show alive.
	No jingles, no karma.
	Keep doing what you do.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Pa Funk came in with $333, Highland, Indiana.
	Please use the name Pa Funk.
	And see donation note from Dale.
	Oh.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	I didn't do that.
	So I will go to Squirrel Mail.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	There we go.
	Squirrel Mail.
	He's getting the donation note.
	Squirrel Mail.
	Going over to the Squirrel Mail.
	Squirrel Mail.
	Looking up the name by email.
	Squirrel Mail.
	He is the Squirrel Mail.
	Squirrel Mail.
	Have you found him yet, John?
	Curiously...
	Uh...
	No.
	Did you...
	Did you look at him?
	Tico seems to work out.
	I'm not even going to look.
	Uh...
	Anyway, he's got some jingle requests.
	I'll see if I can find it for the next segment.
	For Puff Funk, did he send something?
	Is that why you're asking?
	See, donation note from Dale, his number, his email, and I looked it up.
	I looked up just Dale because it should be everyone named Dale should show up, but it didn't.
	Request jingles.
	Let's just do these and we'll deal with them later.
	Fact check false.
	He shot himself.
	Anti-collusion?
	Society-defining?
	What does that mean?
	Well, here's what I know.
	I've never heard of he shot himself, and I've never heard of society-defining.
	I have no idea what these are.
	I think he shot himself was the...
	No, her head is missing.
	No, her head is gone?
	No.
	No.
	Anyway, he wants to be Sir Funk of the Trolls.
	And he would like some early times and BF4. We'll take care of it.
	Fact check, false.
	Any collusion?
	Wait a minute.
	I'm so behind here.
	I should try that again.
	Hold on.
	I'm just trying to make something work for him.
	All right.
	We'll try this.
	Fact check, false.
	This is horrible.
	Any collusion?
	This is just a mess.
	This is a train wreck.
	You've got karma.
	Not how it was supposed to go.
	Let me get back into the groove.
	And I've got to put early times and BF4 on the list.
	I found his note, so we can read his note before we continue.
	Producer and huge fan here, Noah Genda's YouTube video was the boot in the ass to get my friends and fellow producers, and I, fellow producers, as I've hit them in the mouth, into podcasting.
	We have a lowly podcast called the Netflix Explorers, where we just ramble on about Netflix movies and steal random NA tropes for ourselves in order to justify getting together once a week.
	So they have a podcast that's a meetup.
	It's basically a no-agenda meetup where they discuss what they saw on Netflix.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Sounds like typical No Agenda.
	Sounds like No Agenda meetup.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Our third year in this show comes up in January.
	I wonder if they're all splitting the same account.
	Our third year in this show comes up in January.
	Instead of copying a similar No Agenda bombastic exciting intro for each show and to end asking for a taxi, as of a few weeks ago, we wanted to do something that John mentioned in the No Agenda show a few weeks back.
	A radio-style plug.
	Would it be out of line to ask either of you fine gentlemen to record a, Hi, this is Adam, John, and you are listening to the Netflix Explorers podcasting wherever you prefer.
	Podcast.
	Oh, no, okay.
	No, it goes like this.
	I'll just do it now.
	You can take it from here.
	Oh, here we go.
	Hi, this is John, and you're listening to the Netflix Explorers podcast.
	No, wait.
	I think when you do, Hi, this is John, Hi, this is Adam, and then you finish it out.
	Hi, this is John.
	And it's Adam.
	And you're listening to the Netflix Explorers podcast.
	Great.
	He wants a bunch of other things too.
	We're not going to do it.
	It's a scam.
	You can get that out of any of one of our podcasts.
	Anyways, you can use that.
	Am I being a dick for asking?
	Let me know either way.
	I don't need it on the show.
	I'm not that vain.
	And I would like to have a clip from my most respected on-air personalities.
	Huge admirer, podcaster, and troll, Dale.
	Alright, Dale.
	Thank you very much.
	And we'll see you at the roundtable.
	Indeed.
	Onward to our list.
	This is slower than last week.
	Last show.
	Sir Fish, $250.
	He'll be associate executive producer for show 1053.
	Holy crap.
	That newsletter was...
	He says that fucking newsletter was fucking awesome.
	He says assume here, but it's awesome is what he meant.
	You hit it out of the park.
	I had to donate.
	You may want to edit the F-bombs.
	Thanks.
	You should put that at the beginning.
	Sir Carey's, the newsletter was, had an essay in it, because I, as we know, I eventually, every so often I produce an essay.
	Was this the Liberal World Order essay?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it was good.
	Yeah, it was okay.
	It made a point.
	It made a point, and you brought it up.
	It made a point that this show is actually being attacked.
	Yeah.
	Oh, well, we're most definitely being attacked.
	We're being attacked on Twitter.
	We're being a twact.
	We're being a twact, is what we are.
	A twact.
	Yeah, by ducks.
	By ducks, we're being a twact.
	They're going to figure out something eventually, but they try to go after our advertisers, which we don't have.
	We seem pretty bulletproof, but...
	It certainly slows down the day.
	Because that's one thing that Twitter is not good at.
	I'd like to just mute a whole conversation.
	Can you do that?
	No, you just keep muting the individuals.
	Or blocking them is better.
	Right, but they'll put 17 people on, and then you're looking at your feed, and you're getting anything out of order, and it's just all hate and horrible things.
	Like, what?
	What?
	And I blocked, I did what you told me to do the other day.
	I blocked the guy, reported him for harassing, and Twitter sent me back a note and said, no, no, we checked it, but it's not really harassing.
	But then you do it again.
	But it's the same guy that you, and I wrote the same note.
	It's like zero followers.
	I said zero followers.
	He's following no one.
	It's just harassing.
	You block him, and then he starts a new account.
	And they sent me a note back and said, nah, nah, I don't think so.
	Well, you at least get notes back.
	I don't.
	I see him getting bumped.
	He's getting bumped.
	He gets kicked off, and then he comes on with a new account, just like you said.
	He's got no followers.
	I mean, the thing is, he's got no followers.
	That means nobody, unless somebody stupidly retweets him, nobody will ever see his message, and you can just block him again.
	But a lot of people just go to Twitter, go to Adam Curry, and just look and see what everything's on my timeline, and those guys do show up.
	People do that, you know.
	Or they just do a search.
	Or they do a search.
	Just do Adam Curry in the search box.
	Oh, yeah.
	If you do Adam Curry in the search box, it could show up.
	Yeah, that way.
	Sir Carey's, meanwhile, in Somerville, Massachusetts.
	237-32.
	With this donation, I should reach...
	The level of baronet.
	A note in accounting sent to Adam.
	Yes.
	You're on the list.
	Yep, forwarded, and thank you very much, and we'll have your fresh title ready in the second half.
	And finally, William Gifkin, Maspeth, New York, 203.88.
	A New York Times annual subscription is $203.88, which is what he donated.
	He says, I'd rather get my news from No Agenda.
	And then as a kicker, he just puts, taxation is theft.
	I'm not sure what it says about the show, but I like it.
	Taxation is theft.
	Taxation is theft.
	Yes, totally agree.
	Well, William, thank you very much.
	That's a great idea.
	What could you live without?
	It turns out you can live without a lot.
	$203 is too much money.
	It really is.
	I would say it's not too much money if there was no advertising in there.
	Right.
	But the New York Times makes most of their money with ads in the newspaper.
	Is that really the breakdown?
	It's more from ads than from subscriptions?
	Yeah, it's always been that way in the newspaper business.
	That's the way newspapers used to cost a nickel.
	Right, but is it these days?
	Is that ratio still roughly the same?
	No, because the classified thing we've talked about just before.
	Yeah, that went away.
	They shot themselves in the foot on a number of issues.
	But I think with the Times, $203.88 for a year...
	Because you can't really read.
	I mean, I had a couple of subscriptions, as you remember.
	John reading from the New York Times.
	Oh, yeah.
	Remember the jingle?
	Oh, I bet we still have it somewhere.
	Probably.
	John's going to read.
	No, Adam's going to read his email.
	I can't remember the tune.
	But I had a subscription, and I would read these articles, and I'd make some comments for it.
	This went on for about a year.
	And then the piles of newspapers would just stack up.
	And you'd take them out to the recycling bin.
	It would fill the bin up.
	It was just a nightmare.
	And I looked into this, and a lot of people don't subscribe to these newspapers because it just clutters the house with newspapers.
	What was the title of that jingle?
	Because I only have this one.
	John's gonna read his tweets.
	You don't do that anymore either, do you?
	No, it wasn't that interesting.
	I know what you want.
	You really want me to go back to the face bag so I can read more of the history.
	No, actually, I think about it.
	I say, no, here's what I want.
	I want the...
	This is a plea to the...
	Community.
	Community.
	Our community.
	The community.
	If you find some unhinged...
	Especially if it's written in the form of a diatribe, like somebody is apoplectic.
	Word of the day.
	Please forward it to Adam and then he can read.
	Wait, what did you just say?
	Forward it to John so John can filter it and this is going to be a deluge.
	No, no, most people won't do this.
	It will be a debacle.
	Yes, it could be a debacle.
	We want to thank everyone who supported us, our associate executive and our executive producers both, two executive producers, and we had three associate executive producers.
	Thank you for keeping the show on the rails.
	It's how the value-for-value system works.
	It's how we've been keeping it all alive for over a decade.
	And these are actual credits that you can use anywhere that credits are understood and accepted.
	Try them on your LinkedIn, your resume.com.
	You can say you're an executive producer of No Agenda Show, episode 1053.
	We'll be thanking more people, $50 and above, coming up later, and a new show on Sunday, where we continue to hand out the deconstruction, which you can go out and spread worldwide.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Water.
	Order.
	Shut up, slave.
	Squirrel.
	Shut up, slave.
	I have one thing I just want to get out of the way.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	And this is the Whoopi Goldberg event.
	Somehow I knew you would clip it, and I thought to myself, everybody's seen this.
	I didn't want to bring it up, but I'm sure you have a reason to bring it up.
	Yeah.
	Because there's been a bunch of rumors that she's not going to show up on Monday.
	She's going to voluntarily quit the show.
	And I'm thinking, woof, over this?
	I mean, I have the clip.
	Let's play the clip.
	A lot of it you can't hear because they're talking over each other.
	I guess Whoopi cusses her out and tells her to get off the show.
	Well, Judge Jeanine's promoting her book, and then, because I have seen this segment, and I think at a certain point she talks to one of the other women about Trump derangement syndrome and beckons towards Whoopi, and Whoopi said, Did you just point at me?!
	Yeah.
	Here's the end of that little back and forth just so we have a little context.
	Seen anything like this.
	I've never seen anybody whip up such hate.
	I've never seen anybody be so dismissive.
	And clearly you don't watch the show, so you don't know that I don't suffer from that.
	What I suffer from is the inability to figure out how to fix this.
	That's my issue.
	But one of the things that you talk about a lot, and I'm curious about it, is the deep state.
	How long has the deep state been there, and who's running it?
	Well, I want to answer your question because you gave me a question.
	You had your opening statement, which was how horrible it is, that Donald Trump is talking about all of these people.
	You know what I think is horrible?
	You said that it was okay.
	You know what's horrible?
	When people who shouldn't be here end up murdering the children of American citizens.
	You know what's horrible?
	What's horrible?
	When the president of the United States whips up people to beat the hell out of people.
	Say goodbye.
	So you saw me do something I very rarely do.
	I very rarely lose my cool and I'm not proud of it.
	I don't like it.
	Well, she went on to say she didn't like being called hysterical, which I don't believe Judge Jeanine said.
	No, she never did, and Whoopi never apologized.
	So now the rumor is that she's going to be gone.
	Really?
	Well, hold on, hold on.
	The rest of the rumor is that after that segment, Whoopi and Judge Jeanine were backstage and she was yelling, get the F out, get the F out of the building.
	According to Judge Jeanine, Whoopi was so mad she was spitting on her.
	Yeah, I don't know about that.
	Hey, you know what?
	We need more women running the world because it'll be great fun.
	Adam at Curry.com.
	Now, back to the situation.
	I just didn't see that what aired is what was important, not what went on backstage or anything else.
	I did not see why if she gets kicked off the show, there has to be some reason other than this incident because she's nuts anyway.
	Well, Whoopi can't get kicked off of the show.
	Sure she could.
	No, man, she's too important for the show.
	When it comes to this level of mercantile kind of cross-promotion, Judge Jeanine's publisher is the Center Street Press.
	The Center Street Press is owned by Hachette.
	Who is slowly becoming one of the biggest publishers in the world by buying up everybody, including Winter's Operation, Jan Winter's Operation, and Disney's Hyperion, which they just picked up recently.
	And when these deals go down, they're big deals.
	And there's a lot of, you know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
	We're going to let you do some promotion.
	We'll promote you.
	You promote us.
	You rub our back.
	We rub your back.
	Ah, yes.
	She was there for the book.
	Big mistake, Whoopi.
	And they don't go for this, like, this is interfering with commerce.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Whoopi can have her stupid opinions about whatever she thinks is going on, but this is interfering with commerce.
	You know Judge Jeanine went back to her publisher, who booked her there, chewed out somebody, who chewed out somebody at Hachette, who chewed out somebody at Disney.
	Yep.
	We'll see what happens.
	Yeah, I think that is a very good point.
	So how long has this been a property of the same company?
	Hyperion, which was a development of Disney, they started the negotiations to buy the company in 2005, I think.
	And so they've been...
	But they've been in bed with each other because Disney needs a publishing company.
	Right.
	And they don't...
	I mean, because they're doing...
	They do a lot of business with publishing companies.
	The Marvel and...
	Marvel.
	Marvel, which is the name of a chip company.
	Anyway, they...
	They don't, you know, this is like part of the business.
	You do these kinds of things.
	You don't let your hosts think that they're so important, which is what Whoopi does, thinks she's so important that she can get away with this.
	You really have to slap these people down once in a while.
	Yeah, when you get to the commerce level, yes, because I'm sure Judge Jeanine's book is going to be a seller.
	Oh, yeah.
	And let's just say Judge Jeanine, she's 67.
	She's pretty spry.
	She's very surprised.
	She's quick-witted.
	She's very presentable.
	Yes, yes.
	Do I need to turn on executive mode?
	She's very presentable.
	That's when we talk about older women, we say they're very presentable.
	No, she looks like she's in her 40s.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	You're getting lucky next time she sees you.
	Holy moly.
	Oops.
	Didn't mean to do that.
	Sorry.
	Wrong one.
	Anyway, so that's what I think might be going on if anything happens.
	Even though it'll be handled, you know, Whoopi's going to voluntarily quit.
	If this is what the rumor is, she's going to voluntarily quit, which means she didn't voluntarily quit.
	Right.
	Right, right, right, right.
	So where's this rumor?
	A non-disclosure sign where she can't disparage the company.
	Where's this rumor showing up?
	A non-disparagement agreement, it's called.
	But where's the rumor showed up that she may not be returning on Monday?
	Just kind of here and there.
	Just out there.
	I don't have an exact spot where it landed.
	Thank you, Rich Koning.
	John's gonna harm the Sunday Times.
	It wasn't just a jingle, man.
	That's one of the first professional ones we got from Kevin Reeves.
	Yeah.
	And you haven't...
	I can actually sing.
	And you don't even get the Sunday Times anymore.
	No.
	Well, it started off with the regular New York Times subscription.
	Then I said, I can't take it anymore.
	So then I backed it off to the Sunday Times.
	There was another jingle that preceded this one, I think.
	And then again, it was piling up too much.
	And I just said, what am I doing this for?
	It's like...
	Right.
	Well, that was back in the day when in 2008-2009 and I was reading the Financial Times to you and you were reading the Sunday Times to me because the internet was really still quite fledgling, certainly with news and analysis.
	And now we still don't have any news and analysis.
	Detective Dookie.
	Detective Dookie.
	Poop Police.
	I've really got to ask you at this point.
	What is this strange phenomenon of people pooping in public People who are not even homeless, who just are joggers.
	Yeah, now it's become a thing.
	What is this?
	There's a couple of cases, and it seems to be a worldwide phenomenon.
	Now, this may be a case.
	Thank you, San Francisco, for leading the way.
	We're a cultural beachhead here.
	I left my pool in San Francisco.
	No, but seriously.
	I mean, and they're all getting caught on CCTV. Yeah.
	But these are joggers.
	Yeah, the jogger one is the best.
	A woman.
	It just seems like there's people pooping in supermarkets.
	Is this a thing?
	It's not a thing that I know of.
	I wish someone would explain to me if it was.
	I think it's part of just the Trump syndrome.
	Well, it could be.
	I mean, we know about the, because you brought that to light, that there are women in particular who like to poop in their pants.
	That's like a weird turn-on for them.
	And I don't know why this is coming up, other than it's in the news.
	It's unbelievable.
	It's just, I don't know.
	And it seems like more women do this than men.
	It's beyond me.
	But yeah, the woman in the supermarket with her kids just dropped one right on the floor, keeps walking.
	There was a woman who wasn't allowed to use the restroom who got mad and pooped on the floor and started throwing it at the cashier.
	Like a chimp.
	What is going on?
	Yeah, what is going on?
	I know I'm just asking the same thing over and over again.
	This is like a rhetorical question that you keep repeating.
	Yes, it is.
	That's not like...
	It is a rhetorical question I keep repeating.
	But could it...
	Yeah, because you're...
	Could it be...
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	I think it's just the weirdest thing.
	Somebody that's better than us at doing psychoanalysis, because that's not what we do, We have listeners that could maybe explain this.
	We have a lot of listeners in counseling and psychologists.
	We have all kinds of people that listen to the show.
	Perhaps one of them can brief us.
	And maybe it's a combination of things.
	Or in the case of the poopers, they'd be debriefed.
	There it is.
	Thank you.
	So we know that there are amygdala issues.
	There are a lot of amygdala issues.
	But it also turns out that, well, although there's conflicting reports, some reports say, oh, if you're conservative, your amygdala is more active in your natural beast environment, your reptilian you, where you just want to strike out and strike back and everything where you just want to strike out and strike back and everything is said to you becomes offensive and mean and And of course, there are reports that say that this is only with the liberal brains.
	What else have we had?
	What other brain issues?
	Well, we know that the smartphones are messing with you with your Pavlovian response mechanisms.
	Maybe the hippocampus is also being affected, and this was a long report on NPR about, and that's how I got into it, about Keyhole, the company that Google bought, which I think is really the basis still of Google, the actual geolocation, the tracking, knowing where everybody is at any moment in time, who they're close to.
	I think that's really their magic secret sauce.
	So they were talking about how that deal came down and where that company came from.
	But then there was John Hughes.
	Now, I think he's not a psychologist.
	He's a particle physicist.
	In fact, he's one of the Higgs boson guys.
	But he had something very interesting to say about the use of GPS on smartphones.
	So what are the upsides, the downsides of GPS technology from your research, from your experience?
	Well, the upside clearly is that you have right in your hands a map of your environment, and it often helps.
	The problem as I see it is the part of our brain which is wired to do voyages or journeys.
	This kind of thing is something that doesn't get used.
	And there was a recent study in London of people that navigated through the London streets either using a GPS or using their native abilities.
	And this part of the brain was completely dark for people that use the GPS and was fully lit up by people who are navigating.
	The other aspect, which is fairly important and is interesting, is the same part of the brain called the hippocampus is responsible for declarative memory.
	That is to say, the memories that we use, if you call up the name of your favorite high school teacher, for example, that's a declarative memory.
	And it's also involved in how we plan for the future.
	So the idea that we just turn off this important part of our brain is a little scary to me.
	So you're saying with the GPS we are essentially ignoring the real world cues that we've always used to get around as humans.
	We ignore our own internal homing devices, if you will.
	Yes, that seems to be correct and it's borne out by a lot of studies by neuroscientists at this point.
	The other thing, if you think to what it's like using a GPS, you're getting a very narrow window on the world.
	You're just seeing what the next turn is, and you aren't getting this large picture view.
	And the way our brains operate is to have kind of a large picture view of the environment as if we're on a magic carpet hovering over the environment.
	And we tend to lose this with GPS. Now, I don't think this is very healthy.
	Well, I have thoughts on this, too.
	Because I've noticed this, and I try to avoid using the GPS as much as I can.
	And what I've done is I've reverted back to the idea of printing out the directions.
	MapQuest, baby!
	MapQuest!
	They all do it, by the way.
	Bing does it.
	Bing has a pretty good...
	Bing's navigation is not bad.
	Google, of course, which I think has deteriorated over time to the point where it's almost unusable.
	Google keeps changing their vendors, I believe, but I can't find out because the press division of Google won't talk to anybody.
	So you ask them that question, you won't get an answer.
	But Google seems to be deteriorating.
	But they all have these different systems.
	But if you go back and you say, well, let's see, where is this place I want to go to?
	And then you look at the map of where it is, and then you look at the different streets, and you try to memorize what those streets are, and then you use the map on your computer to see where you're going, and then you jump in your car, and then you just go.
	And you don't use the navigation at all.
	And I think it's better because I was using the navigation.
	I was noticing I wasn't having as much fun.
	Because I'm in California.
	California is a lot of us, not you, or a lot of people don't get this.
	And younger kids don't get it.
	No, I understand the fun of driving.
	But we used to drive and drive and drive.
	We'd drive to L.A. on the weekends.
	We'd drive to Mexico.
	We'd drive to Reno.
	Woo, donkey show!
	We'd be driving every which way.
	The Blue Angel or whatever the place was.
	We'd just do that.
	We'd be driving around and driving around, and then you'd cruise.
	It was cruising.
	They used to have these cruising things where thousands of kids would be going up and down the street.
	So you got into that kind of thing, and you used a map to get around.
	And I noticed that when I was driving around using the GPS solely, which is handy in situations where you really don't care.
	You just want to get out of there.
	You want to get to the airport, or you want to get in some...
	Funky town somewhere and you want to get out of there.
	You don't care about having fun driving.
	You don't give a shit.
	But in normalcy, I see people, you know, they're going to go to the Safeway and they get the GPS up.
	So this research is very interesting.
	I think it was mentioned in the clip about the University of London researchers.
	You know, the London taxi drivers, they may have changed recently, if I recall, but they had to have the knowledge.
	They had to be able to know every route in London.
	And the research showed that London cab drivers who spent three years learning their way around London by spatial methods, which is, you know, you see the guys, if you've ever been in London, the guys on their little scooters with a map mounted right in front of them, part of their hippocampus is larger than the control group of non-cab drivers.
	But most importantly, and I'm very happy to hear you say this, because the other day we were talking about OTG phones and you said, ah, I need to have navigation.
	And so I'm glad that you're not overusing it.
	FMRI scans were taken of older adults who were GPS and non-GPS users.
	The subjects accustomed to navigating by spatial means were found to have higher activity and a greater volume of gray matter in the hippocampus than those used to relying on GPS. These adults also did better on the standardized test in the diagnosis of mild cognitive impairment, which often precedes the onset of Alzheimer's.
	Well, this is, who's this?
	Neuroscientist Veronique Bobo.
	of McGill University in Montreal, Canada, said the results of the study suggest using spatial memory regularly may improve the function of the hippocampus and would help ward off cognitive impairments as we age, but suggested it is wise to restrict GPS use to an aid in finding the way to a new destination, but to turn it off on the way back or when going somewhere that is not new.
	building cognitive maps takes time and effort, but with the hippocampus, it may be a case of use it or lose it.
	And Boba says she does have fears that reducing the use of spatial navigation strategies may lead to earlier onset of Alzheimer's or dementia.
	Yeah.
	I find that just to be a specious argument makes no sense.
	Because?
	Based on what these diseases are.
	But I will say the hippocampus, campus, whatever it's called.
	Hippocampus.
	Is affected adversely because of using GPS. I don't know.
	How much GPS do you have to use?
	For it to become, I mean, you're driving all the time and you're using GPS all the time, I guess on garage sales or something like that.
	Hey, we've got some garage sales.
	Got to bring the smartphone.
	You plug them all into the smartphone and then you go driving through the hills from place to place to place.
	You know, you could probably do it other ways, but that seems like an effective use.
	Well, you know what?
	Generally speaking, I see people with the thing on all the time.
	They're constantly, you know, going to someplace, you know how to get there.
	I know how to get to San Francisco, and I know my way around San Francisco.
	I don't necessarily need the GPS. Now, once in a while, I'll turn it on going to someplace and find alternative routes because it does find some, I found a couple of Well, I think the traffic information is the most important.
	You can just see it.
	Oh, there's traffic here and there and there.
	Yeah, that's kind of useful.
	But I just want to say, because you kind of already gave the reason for diminishing GPS use, you just have more fun.
	Just like I've been carrying around this Kyocera flip phone.
	And it does everything I need it to do.
	I've actually found that almost every service has a web browser version that works, including Instagram, including even Uber.
	They can't find you.
	You can't automatically find where you are, which is kind of what you want.
	But most of these services still have perfectly working web interfaces, and you just cut out all the tracking stuff so they know what you're doing.
	Screw that.
	And so since I've gotten rid of that, I'm having fun watching idiots on their phones all day.
	Same in traffic.
	I mean, if you have time to focus, you're looking out the window because you do have to see where you're going and not looking at the screen.
	And I'm horrible at directions.
	I'm the first one to admit I'm really lost if I don't have some extra indication.
	But it's much more fun to watch the moronic other drivers.
	And it's probably safer.
	Well, I'll tell you a couple of disadvantages, too.
	I used to develop my own shortcuts.
	I live in the Bay Area.
	I know how to get around.
	And so there was this shortcut that I've been using for probably 10 years.
	I was always thinking of maybe putting it on YouTube.
	And it's a way to get on the Bay Bridge.
	It's kind of an awkward way, but it works like a champ.
	It bypasses everything.
	The next thing you know, you're on the bridge.
	So I take it just recently.
	I take my shortcut.
	I've got Jay, I think, and somebody else in the car.
	And I go, the thing is backed up!
	And she says, oh, she says, yeah, Google has been using this shortcut of yours.
	And I said, what?
	And so the Google has like ruined my...
	I'm not very pleased about this.
	Yeah.
	There's a shortcut for a reason.
	And here's a thought.
	I'm not a guy.
	GPS has changed lives in so many incredible ways.
	As an airman, GPS is incredibly important.
	But there's no reason to have the two-way thing going on.
	Just buy a TomTom.
	What do they cost these days?
	What's a TomTom cost?
	60, 70 bucks?
	Yeah, just get a portable unit and just use it.
	That'll be fine.
	They're actually somewhat better.
	They probably are.
	TomTom and Magellan, I had a Magellan for a while.
	They're...
	In some ways, they're better because they've been working on it and they keep improving.
	With Google, for example, it's never better because they keep going from one vendor to another.
	And the vendor is like sometimes a startup.
	Where do they get cheap?
	It's almost like the best price kind of model.
	And so it's always like sketchy.
	It doesn't always work the same.
	At one time, I was in Los Angeles.
	I'm trying to get to the Burbank Airport.
	I'm out in Venice, Malibu area.
	And so I decide, well, what route should I be taking back?
	Should I go down Sunset?
	Should I do this?
	Should I do that?
	The thing keeps trying to route me to the 405.
	And I look at the 405.
	The 405 is stopped dead from probably somewhere in Nome, Alaska, all the way down to Ensenada.
	There's nothing moving there.
	To put me on the 405, I would have missed my flight.
	And so I started just going out sunset and I just keep going and turn around, go back, go back, go back.
	It keeps trying to reverse me to back to get to the 405 for some reason.
	I think it's only going to take me a couple blocks on that thing because I still have to go.
	I still have to go east.
	And it keeps telling me to go back, go back, go back for I kept going, waiting for it to stop doing that.
	It finally stopped and gave up and decided, hey, I guess you're going on some other route.
	Let me reroute you that way.
	The old Google Maps would never have done that.
	I remember when they first came out, they never told you to take a U-turn.
	Ever.
	Now they do it constantly.
	It's like some other vendor.
	Google's products are just really flaky.
	Anyway.
	That's the boringest story I could tell.
	Yeah, that was pretty boring.
	But, I got a better story for you now.
	Frank Abinali.
	He is the guy, the real-life person behind the book and the play and the movie Catch Me If You Can.
	When did that come out?
	Was that the 90s?
	I would look it up.
	Keep talking.
	Catch Me If You Can.
	Now, this was about a kid who, at 16, ran away, and he traveled around the world...
	Posing mainly as an airline pilot.
	Any flu for free everywhere?
	2002.
	Okay, 2002.
	Flew around the world.
	Then later he posed as a lawyer, I think a banker, all kinds of the – How about airline pilot?
	Well, that was the number one is what I said.
	Number one was airline pilot.
	But he was also cashing tens of thousands of dollars worth of phony checks, and so eventually he caught up to him.
	He went to jail in France, and he went to jail I think in Spain, and then he was extradited, went to jail in the States.
	And instead of serving his full term, the FBI came over and said, you know, you were pretty good at that deception.
	We'd like to hire you.
	And I think he worked for the FBI for 30 years after that.
	And he did a talk at Google, ironically.
	And it was a very interesting chat about deception and how he did it.
	And it was a fun talk.
	But at the end, it's about three minutes, and he's now out of the agency, but he consults for the FBI and the CIA, mainly on technology.
	And there were two things that he said.
	One...
	That, you know, I looked into it and I'm like, I don't think this is going to happen.
	Sounds like bullcrap to me, but you don't know.
	And the second one was really just the capabilities that they have that we've discussed before.
	Law enforcement, in this case, FBI. And I just thought it was fun to hear it from someone who apparently would know.
	Wait, hold on a second.
	So this guy basically bullshitted his way around the world and then bullshitted his way into the FBI. No, the FBI just came to him and said...
	Sometimes these things work out that way.
	And then he became a dude named Ben.
	Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it.
	So I always used to write to my class about...
	Oh, and a professor as well.
	I'm sorry.
	He gets to teach about it as well.
	What will we investigate five...
	Is this a great country or what?
	We know how to play.
	...years from now.
	What will an agent be doing five years from now?
	And unfortunately, there's good news and there's bad news.
	First of all, the good news, we will be doing away with passwords in the next 24 months.
	Passwords will leave the world.
	There will be no more passwords.
	There is a new technology called TruSona.
	That's T-R-U. S-O-N-A stands for True Persona.
	It is a company in Scottsdale, Arizona that created a technology for the CIA, which we have used now for the last few years.
	That technology, and I was an advisor on that technology for the CIA, so I'm an advisor on bringing it to the commercial world.
	But it was the ability for an agent to send data back from the field, such as Afghanistan, on their iPhone, And that Langley would know 100% that is the agent on the other end.
	To 100% identify the person on the other end of the device.
	That's a level 4 security.
	So they basically said, what if we brought this to level 2 security?
	And we did away with passwords.
	So immediately when they announced that, Microsoft gave them $10 million and said, I'm in.
	Develop it.
	So Microsoft is going to use it on all their gaming, all their access to their computers.
	We now have the ability to identify...
	Okay.
	...who the person is on the other end of that device.
	And when you go to their website at TruSona, they actually show you how it's done.
	So they do demo videos there that are three or four minutes long that show you how it's done.
	So I think that's a good part.
	But I do believe that cyber, up until this...
	Okay.
	So I went to TruSona's website mainly to see if they were a public company...
	We could buy some stock.
	They're not.
	They're a private company.
	But this is utter bullcrap.
	They have a 45-second video, and I did go there, and I did take a look, and their incredible idea is you go to a website, it pops up a QR code on the screen, you scan that with your iPhone, and then it unlocks.
	How is this proof positive?
	I mean, you could be holding someone's severed head in an iPhone X. Yup, authenticated.
	You could be pressing a dead, severed finger onto the Touch ID. I don't understand how this is foolproof and how passwords are going away.
	It's completely ridiculous.
	Yeah.
	And I think he was just selling it to Google.
	That's why maybe he was there.
	I don't know what that was about.
	That was very strange.
	So, you know, unless there's something special they have on the iPhone or some specialized app, which they did not show, it just sounds like bullcrap to me.
	And I like my passwords.
	I like having something locked in my head that people can't get to.
	And passwords aren't going away in 24 months.
	This guy's full of shit.
	Totally.
	But...
	Listen to what he had to say.
	And although he doesn't mention, I believe this timeline of five years that he'll mention has to do with the implementation of 5G cellular technology.
	This point in time has been used for financial crimes or gathering data and information which is of value.
	What's going to happen is we're going to see cyber very quickly now turn very black.
	So we have the ability, as you know, to basically shut someone's pacemaker off, but we have to be within 35 feet of them.
	We test these devices at Quantico all the time.
	So as long as I walk up within 35 feet of you, I take control of any bodily device you have on you.
	So if I want to assassinate you, I want to speed it up, take it down, I can do that.
	I like to speed it up or take it down.
	I hadn't considered that, taking control of someone's pacemaker.
	You're up there doing a speech at the lectern.
	Yeah, I wonder about some of these assertions.
	But I believe that in five years you'll be able to do that from 5,000 miles away.
	We have the ability now that we test that we can chase a car down the interstate.
	We've got to get up within 35 feet of the vehicle.
	We take over the vehicle.
	We shut the motor off.
	We lock the person in the car.
	We lock the power window so they can't open them.
	We can turn on their airbag.
	Again, five years from now, you'd be able to do that 5,000 miles away.
	Now, this, I think, is plausible.
	Right here, I want to pause and do one of the no-agenda tips.
	Because if what he says is true, which is possible with some of the newer cars, you can't do it with my...
	25-year-old Lexus.
	No.
	God, no.
	We have to take you out the old-fashioned way with 50 Cal.
	Yeah, something like that.
	But...
	You would have...
	Everyone should have one of these.
	I noticed this.
	Mimi's got one in one of the vans we have.
	And it's sitting there, and I was just like, what do you got this for?
	She says, well, you never know.
	I can't wait to hear what this is.
	This death-defying, law enforcement-defeating device.
	Well, in this case, it's one of those little hammers with a little...
	That's got a diamond head on it and you pop it against any window and it shatters it into a million pieces.
	Yes, and you can also cut your seatbelt with the handle.
	I believe so, yeah.
	It's a little emergency thing.
	It's supposed to be if you land in the drink.
	And you can't, you know, all of a sudden the car's short and you can't lower your windows.
	Now this being a no agenda tip, let me ask you a question.
	If law enforcement is after you, they lock your car, turn off the engine, lock the windows, deploy the airbag, do you think it's a good idea to bash the window and run away from your vehicle?
	Do you think this is a good idea?
	I think these guys are talking about assassinations.
	Well, that's true.
	I would say if it's from 3,000 miles away...
	Nobody's chasing me.
	There's somebody playing a prank or trying to kill me or harass me.
	I want that little hammer.
	Maybe we need no agenda emergency hammers.
	They're available.
	Go buy one at the hardware store.
	No agenda branded.
	Branded.
	We've already decided not to start branding stuff.
	Stop.
	With a whistle on the other end.
	And a light.
	So yes, our electrical grid, used as a terrorist tool, the ability to shut down an entire system, shut down an entire banking system.
	Those are all the things that unfortunately we'll be dealing with in the next four or five years as cyber starts to make that turn.
	And it's not like Professor Ted predicted that or anything.
	To the very black side of cyber, not just about stealing money, information, and data.
	Today what we have is we develop things.
	So we say to you, here's a device you put in your kitchen and then you can talk to it and tell you, ask what the weather is, what's on TV tonight, all of that.
	I could easily reverse that and listen to everything you say in your house.
	There are so many weaknesses in your home.
	Your security cameras or access points, your remote control on your TV, your Samsung television, your refrigerator that tells you how much milk is in it.
	My thing is I really don't need my refrigerator to talk to my toaster.
	He's imagining that there's a house that uses these devices.
	Nobody does.
	Just listen to what he says, though.
	You stepped on him making your point.
	You can talk to it until you ask what the weather is, what's on TV tonight, all of that.
	I could easily reverse that and listen to everything you say in your house.
	There are so many weaknesses in your home.
	Your security cameras or access points, your remote control on your TV, your Samsung television, your refrigerator that tells you how much milk is in it.
	My thing is I really don't need my refrigerator to talk to my toaster.
	They've gotten along for a long time without ever having a conversation.
	But what happens is we develop something, we get real excited about, I get this to the marketplace, and sure enough, we never look at the negative side.
	All I try to say to a technology company, yeah, this is great.
	Now, can you take a little time to just say, how would someone use this technology in a negative, self-serving way?
	So that we build the block to that before we ever give it to the public to use it, we'd save a lot of problems.
	So it's kind of interesting.
	I think on one hand, he's advocating for all, you know, shepherding in passwordless, seamless technology.
	On the other hand, he's clearly aware that 5G is going to give us all these capabilities.
	I think that's where he gets the...
	The refrigerator toaster thing, which, you know, they do exist, John, these Internet of Things.
	There are toasters that you have to click OK for the EULA the first time you turn it on in order to use it.
	Do you know anyone who has one of these toasters?
	On Twitter, yeah, but not personally, no.
	No.
	The toaster is a bad example because what really happened is people started using their talking tubes to control their music system and lights and thermostat.
	That's pretty much it.
	The smart home is done.
	But all those are horrible spy devices, no doubt.
	I don't think that we've beaten this to death enough that this guy is really not giving us any new information.
	I would say, I thought that he was going to talk about the dangers of 5G as a technology in general.
	The frequencies of 5G, the fact that you have to have those things everywhere.
	I'm reading that the firefighter union has blocked firehouses from having 5G sites on them.
	Because they did some tests and firefighters were feeling down.
	Woozy.
	Woozy and they had headaches.
	It's going to cause tinnitus.
	5G from what I can tell so far, and even though I haven't really looked into it to the extent I should if I want to pontificate about it, but I haven't heard anything good about the technology per se.
	Oh yeah, you get more bandwidth and it's great for the Internet of Things for some reason.
	No, it's great for more tracking.
	And it's probably fantastic for tracking.
	And you can always find the person's pacemaker.
	Yeah, that's the idea.
	Well, it also...
	I got another moneymaker then.
	You know, there's this cloth, Faraday cloth that you can use.
	You buy suits and shirts made out of this Faraday cloth.
	What are you going to do for your head?
	Well, the pacemaker's not going to...
	I mean, you want to protect the pacemaker.
	Oh, yeah, okay.
	Yes, all right.
	Now, for your head, you're going to have to wear aluminum foil.
	That's pretty obvious.
	So you wear the Faraday suit with the tinfoil wrap.
	Yeah, tinfoil hat.
	Great.
	And then you have your little no-agenda hammer on one hand.
	If you slap it down, it goes...
	Stop the hammering!
	And if you blow on the whistle...
	Pew!
	I mean, we got some great products lined up for the fall season.
	Just like Nutrisystem, who have done exactly what you expect them to do.
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	And what do we see roll out?
	Fucking frozen burgers from Nutrisystem with your DNA blueprint.
	Are you kidding me?
	Is that the level of technology that we're talking about?
	Everything's a scam.
	This is truly a scam.
	And I think they're setting themselves up for lawsuits.
	I think it's a very dumb idea.
	I'm sure the lawyers said this is a big company.
	They had lawyers who went over this and there's no lawsuits going to happen.
	Well, I think it's opening up the market for a DNA test with a specific, you know, how about this?
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	We'll let you know if this will be beneficial or detrimental to your health.
	Yeah.
	I think that's a great idea.
	I'm going to show myself old by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda in the morning.
	Yeah, we do have some people to thank for show 1053.
	Beginning with, right over here on this list, Sir Cal of the Lavender Blossoms again.
	Woo!
	He's coming in a lot.
	He must be doing well.
	What's the name of it?
	Lavenderblossoms.org.
	.org.
	And he needs some rain.
	$161.80.
	He says, your show is golden.
	Golding.
	I'm blowing the joke right there.
	Your show is golden, just like Phi.
	One point, or Pi.
	It's 1.618.
	It says Phi.
	Anyway, I need some rain, please.
	We shook the stick.
	We shook it earlier.
	And we can't shake it again.
	We can't.
	No, it's too dangerous at this point.
	Sir Kelly Spongberg, we haven't heard from for a while in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta.
	$111.11.
	We should travel karma for Dame Andrea.
	She returns home from a Scandinavian island in the Pacific Ocean.
	What could that be?
	Victoria is an island.
	Sounds like military to me.
	Vancouver Island, I mean.
	Vancouver Island is an island.
	And it's in the Pacific Ocean, kind of.
	Sir Milkman!
	Uh...
	I don't know if it works this way.
	Going to Vegas, gambling karma in exchange for the customary 33% cut.
	Did we have a deal with him that I'm unaware of?
	I don't know, but if you donate $101.01, gambling karma, that's an interesting one.
	I think we should just drop some gambling karma on him right now as a test.
	You've got karma.
	All right.
	It should work.
	We'll see.
	May or may not.
	Michael Reeves, $101.
	Making this donation on behalf of Liberty Larry on his birthday, he was never donated in years of listening.
	Douchebag!
	He'll be technically no longer a douchebag because he's going to donate in his name.
	You've been deduced.
	Okay, onward.
	Ian Field from the UK, $100.
	Daniel J. Armstrong from the...
	Alabama, some base there, some Army, Navy, Air Force base.
	Dude named Muhammad Ali 8008.
	He says, I'm all in for no border, no nations.
	Everything becomes halal.
	Yeah.
	Oh, man.
	I love our dude named Muhammad Ali.
	That means you're not eating any pork.
	Yeah, I love our dude named Muhammad Ali.
	He's got the right humor, man.
	Well, he's got the right humor, but you know.
	Halal goat is fine.
	Matt in Lincoln, Nebraska, 69-69.
	He says he'll send me a Nebraska hoodie.
	But unfortunately, he's already worn it.
	Oh.
	It's laundered twice.
	What do I want an old one for?
	I think you want crisp in the plastic.
	It still has the stink of Mike Riley era on it.
	I don't think so.
	He says, I need no job, Karma, but would like to ask you to extend Karma to my dad and cousin who farm in northeastern Nebraska.
	Trade war is playing no favorites and soybeans will break even this year if not a loss, even with a great yield.
	And he asked for rain stick to Brazil.
	Maybe next show.
	John Fletcher, Sir John Fletcher in Hughes Springs, Texas, 6969.
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	Exactly.
	Let me see, what else did we have here?
	Well, I got a thing, a good one.
	There was this little piece of real news gossip.
	Real news gossip, okay.
	Well, it's kind of gossipy.
	I'm sure this was not played on the national news.
	It's a local story.
	Kind of.
	It's not really a local story, but it was played locally.
	Trump Jr., Ah, yes, I knew this.
	Well tonight, a Fox Network talk show host who has been dating Donald Trump Jr.
	is leaving the network and plans to stump four Republican congressional candidates.
	Kimberly Guilfoyle was once married to Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom back when he was mayor of San Francisco.
	Lately, she's been co-hosting Five on Fox News and dating Donald Trump Jr.
	after he separated from his wife.
	According to CNN, Guilfoyle is likely to join a non-profit called America First Policies, which supports the president.
	Yeah, I've been...
	There goes the legs.
	Yeah, no more legs on the TVs.
	Yeah, she was all legs.
	I mean, she was just there for legs, throwing off her legs.
	Well, I like Kimberly.
	I think she's interesting.
	She's definitely interesting to watch.
	Good balance with Gutfeld on that show, when I see it.
	But, you know, I was looking at Donald Trump Jr.
	He's got four kids.
	They're all under eight, I think.
	Under eight years old.
	Yeah, it's going to be an interesting...
	It's a tough relationship.
	Well, kind of nightmarish.
	Yeah.
	It's not as though they haven't got the money to hire 10 nannies.
	You understand what I'm saying.
	It's not about the nannies.
	He comes with a lot of baggage.
	Does she have kids?
	She doesn't have any kids, does she?
	I have no idea.
	I don't think so.
	Well, I hope it works out for him.
	I don't think it's a very smart career move.
	Well, you know, maybe she fell in love with the guy.
	Could be a charming character.
	You have to leave your gig.
	Yeah, I know it doesn't...
	I'm as baffled as you are, but it's just like, who knows?
	There may be more to this story.
	We're not ever given any kind of real information, so who knows?
	I do have the kind of a...
	She could be MKUltra.
	Could be.
	I have a good little backstory on the plastic straw ban, which kind of feeds into a clip you played on the last show.
	Back in 2015, a video went viral.
	It was shot by a marine biologist from Texas A&M University.
	It showed researchers trying to remove a plastic straw stuck up a sea turtle's nose.
	I don't want to pull it if it's like a touch of a brainstem.
	Yeah, that's about exactly what I think.
	So it's a freaking straw up her freaking nostril.
	That's plastic.
	Is that Australian millennials I hear there?
	That's what it sounds like.
	A freaking straw but a freaking nostril.
	I don't want to pull it if it's like a touch or a brainstem.
	Yeah, that's about exactly what I think.
	So it's a freaking straw.
	Just pull it out.
	A freaking nostril.
	That's plastic.
	How could that have possibly got large so firmly in the nostril?
	That video helped raise awareness about all the plastics harming marine life.
	And plastic straws became a prime target for elimination because, well, many of us don't really need them.
	So companies have started pledging to take them away, and some U.S. cities have already banned them, like Malibu and Miami Beach.
	But for some people with disabilities, straws are necessary.
	Sean Bickley is a disability rights advocate in Seattle.
	He says, They aspirated liquids, developed pneumonia, and died.
	There are reusable straws options out there, but Bickley and others say they don't work for everyone.
	Metal straws are dangerous to people who bite down.
	They conduct heat and create burns.
	Paper straws also have problems.
	People who don't have muscular control will bite through paper straws, and that presents a choking hazard.
	Even biodegradable plastic isn't as flexible as real plastic.
	Bickley and other disability rights activists say that bans on plastic straws should offer exemptions for people with medical conditions, so restaurants would have plastic straws on hand for those who need them.
	In fact, Seattle wrote this kind of waiver into its ban on plastic straws, which went into effect this month.
	But Bickley says some of the city's restaurants don't seem to be aware of the exemption.
	I called a bunch of restaurants or dropped in.
	I asked if they had plastic straws for allergies or accommodation.
	He says they all told him no.
	I really think...
	How is this different than my clip from the last show?
	We had the turtle back up.
	Okay.
	And as I said, just like your clip, I just feel that we need to put a halt to this idiocy.
	What the hell are we thinking?
	I mean, now it's just gone too far.
	This one turtle had a straw up his nose, and everyone's lost their shit over it.
	We need to ban turtles from putting straws in their nose.
	That would make more sense.
	This is a stupid, stupid movement.
	Well, it's gotten worse.
	We're using more plastic.
	People who actually...
	Straws are handy!
	It's gotten worse.
	I don't really have a problem with going to paper, because I used to use paper when I was a kid.
	But what's gotten worse is now, especially around here, they've decided they're going to take a hard look at toothbrushes.
	Toothbrushes!
	Yeah, they're plastic.
	Remember I tried to create a new meme with a swizzle stick?
	And you said that the train has left the station?
	Now we can do the turtle with...
	Maybe we shouldn't use a turtle.
	Turtle with a toothbrush up its butt.
	Yeah!
	No, it's got to be really nasty.
	I like maybe a fish with a toothbrush out of his eye.
	I don't want to gross people out.
	How about sticking out of his gill?
	Let's launch.
	Let's see if we can do it.
	Let's see if we can get plastic toothbrushes banned.
	Come on, we've got great artists.
	Do something.
	Okay, artists, you're on your own.
	Go for it.
	Plastic toothbrushes.
	Evil.
	Evil, evil, evil.
	We need to call them out.
	We need to call out these companies.
	By the way, what replaces a plastic toothbrush?
	That's the problem.
	I know what replaces the straw.
	The No Agenda electric toothbrush?
	Just made of plastic.
	I'm so tired of this.
	It's just, well, I guess it kind of plays into this then.
	I'm sure you heard this report.
	A minor league baseball team is playing on the stereotypes of millennials.
	Don't drop the ball.
	In an attempt to draw more young people to a game this weekend.
	Hi, how many tickets are you looking for?
	Offering what the Montgomery Biscuits identify as millennials' favorite things, ranging from avocados to selfie stations, a section for napping, and don't forget the participation ribbons.
	Eighty percent of the people in our front office are millennials, myself included, and we're just having some fun with some of the clichés that people point out about millennials.
	The very crowd it's seeking, it's upsetting, igniting an eruption of backlash on social media.
	Eruption!
	More than targeting millennials, it's...
	Sort of targeting older generations who like to make fun of millennials and like to say that millennials don't like working and don't really like caring for themselves.
	For every angry comment, another appears to fire back in defense.
	One person tweeting, Bravo Biscuits!
	You know millennials won't dig in unless it's gluten-free.
	The team itself is made up of millennials, none of whom are even remotely offended by the theme night.
	I don't think they meant anything sour by it or to cast a negative light on the next generation at all.
	I think they're trying to make light of it.
	If it's insensitive, then maybe they should just have thicker skin.
	Earlier this year, the Lexington legends faced similar criticism for their millennial night.
	Before reporting...
	Wait, before I play the rest of the clip.
	First of all, I love that the millennial reports on the millennial story and she actually says gluten.
	Gluten.
	Gluten.
	She can't...
	What is this...
	What did T do to everybody?
	The T is an important letter.
	Why is everyone pissed off at the T? Putin.
	Putin.
	Gluten.
	Putin.
	Gluten.
	Putin.
	gluten layer so to me this was very telling this clip and Not so much as just funny, because I think it's a very funny idea.
	I like the humor of it.
	That's American humor.
	We're very good at it.
	What I saw with this report is that, and you'll hear in a moment, it not only did it not affect people who went, it actually brought more people to the event.
	But that the outrage...
	Sorry?
	I say that was the idea.
	Oh yeah, well you'll hear exactly that because of course it was a PR stunt.
	It was obviously a PR stunt.
	But what I noticed is that the outrage was all on Twitter.
	They were just showing all the tweets and people just angry, yelling at each other.
	But then in real life, it really wasn't that big a deal.
	And, of course, these bombs, these little nuggets are launched by PR companies into the machine, and then it bubbles up very quickly.
	And I think the job of most journos these days is just trolling on Twitter, because all I really ever see is blue check marks saying, hey, can I use that picture?
	Hey, can you contact me?
	Hey, anybody?
	Hey, do you know about this?
	Ooh, please DM me so we can talk about this.
	Ooh, you know what I mean?
	It's like they seem to just be looking for stories on Twitter.
	Well, I find it, as of a few years back, when I started bitching about the fact, and I think we had some segments on it, where they won't even get quotes.
	They just quote people's Twitter accounts.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, exactly.
	And take pictures.
	Oh, and he said on Twitter, and he said, and then Trump has made it worse by institutionalizing it.
	Yes.
	It's become, the reporting is just reading the tweets.
	You're right.
	Which is probably why we backed off from it.
	Yeah, what kind of reporting is that?
	Right.
	So the outrage, and you're seeing this happen in everything, and the mainstream is, and you can see the flow.
	It's very direct.
	Someone starts a shitstorm online.
	You have to do it on Twitter.
	That's the place.
	Facebook doesn't work for this.
	You've got to do it on Twitter.
	It hits trending.
	The journos go look at it, and then they make that their news report because it's basically free content.
	You've got everything you want.
	It's written for you.
	You just read out the tweets.
	The outrage is there.
	Maybe just do a stand-up, drop your tease, and you're good to go.
	You got a beautiful report, which is funny.
	Beautiful.
	Beautiful.
	But all this outrage lives online.
	And I think people could really improve their health by just tuning out a little bit.
	Tuning out, dropping out, tuning in, taking acid.
	Tune out a little bit.
	I have a clip that's...
	Let me just play the last bit of this.
	I thought you were done.
	Earlier this year, the Lexington Legends faced similar criticism for their Millennial Night before reporting increased attendance at the game.
	From a PR professional's perspective, they're kind of accomplishing what all of us want to accomplish, and that is people talking about your organization, not only here locally, but it's got a lot of reach outside of our own community, outside of our state as well.
	Set, go!
	There you go.
	That's what you want.
	You want people talking about you.
	They have proof that the mainstream is nothing but advertising for everything.
	Even the stories are advertising.
	Well, here's a good one coming up.
	This is just a quick one clip.
	We all are familiar with our Silicon Valley culture and fine operations like Kleiner Perkins.
	Yes.
	Hashtag me too.
	Red wrong way.
	If you don't think there's going to be some humor coming down the road, play the Ellen Powell clip.
	Tonight, the story of a Bay Area tech executive who some see as a pioneer of the Me Too movement is coming to the small screen.
	Netflix and Shonda Rhimes have bought the rights to Ellen Powell's memoir.
	It tells the story of her failed gender discrimination suit against venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins back in 2012.
	The lawsuit put a spotlight on sexual misconduct in Silicon Valley.
	Oh, God.
	Don't you think this is going to be a laugh riot?
	I would have expected that to be one of the first Obama productions, honestly.
	That would have been perfect.
	Now, did you hear that clip?
	I keep hearing her saying Spencer Capital.
	Instead of venture capital.
	Oh, I'd have to listen to it again.
	The Facebook CEO... Oops.
	That's my clip.
	Hold on.
	Ellen Powell.
	Yeah, let me try it again.
	Tonight, the story of a Bay Area tech executive who some see as a pioneer of the Me Too movement is coming to the small screen.
	Netflix and Shonda Rhimes have bought the rights to Ellen Powell's memoir.
	It tells the story of her failed gender discrimination suit against venture capital firm Kleiner...
	It sounds more like Fincher.
	No.
	No, she's not pronouncing it correctly.
	She will be fired!
	Another local story, which is kind of funny, is this Hitman website.
	Have you heard this story?
	No.
	Called his website rentahitman.com, but this Bay Area man never thought his clever marketing idea would attract people trying to hire contract killers.
	Good evening, I'm Elizabeth Cook.
	And I'm Ken Bassita, KPIX5's Katie Nielsen, with the wild story of how an IT guy became an unlikely crime fighter.
	Katie?
	Ken, Bob Innes says his website has broken up almost a hundred murder-for-hire plots, and even though he doesn't make any money off of it, it's now his personal mission to help save lives.
	Why did he put it up in the first place?
	It's a dude named Ben, and he was a hitman.
	He's a consultant.
	Oh, gosh.
	He just was naive.
	But the idiots that go to this site, and now he's actually played part two, and you'll hear that he's actually changed, he's rejiggered the site, so it's actually about hiring a hitman.
	He says, kill my mom and my dad, my sister and my brother.
	Bob Ennis is reading an email he got yesterday morning from a 14-year-old boy in Alaska.
	An email submitted through his website, rentahitman.com.
	So this is the website.
	But it's not what you think.
	We decided we wanted to start a company doing risk analysis, intrusion detection, white hat hacking.
	That's where the name Rent-A-Hitman came from back in 2005, and the website created right here at his desk in the kitchen of his Novato home.
	This is where it happens.
	Instead of getting emails for IT services, people were literally asking for a hitman.
	The emails threw me for a loop.
	It was absolutely not expected.
	Bob decided to run with it.
	Shortly after receiving those emails that I had decided to basically transform the webpage.
	Now it's almost a parody site, complete with an intake form.
	Targets name, targets email, address where services are requested.
	Bob gets requests for Hitman services at least a couple of times each week.
	I need her taken care of because she won't leave.
	This report goes on forever, but it's like, how dumb is the public?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, pretty dumb.
	Pretty dumb.
	And I want you to look out for the story in your area, and I'm surprised you didn't have anything on it.
	Berkeley High graduate pleads guilty to trying to help terrorists, but his defense is it was a sting.
	And lo and behold, this 23-year-old punk kid, basically, got wrapped up in what we used to call the six-week cycle.
	FBI saw him trolling.
	And what he was doing is he was creating fake social media accounts for people he believed were Islamic State supporters.
	And then, you know how the FBI is there.
	They get in touch with the guy and they kind of jack him all up.
	He's like, oh yeah, let's do something cool.
	And then the prosecutors, he didn't want to do anything.
	He's like, I don't want to do anything right.
	And they said, no, no, come on, we're going to give you a credit card.
	We'll go buy the chemicals to blow something up.
	And so here's the statement from his lawyer.
	This is really a case about what the appropriate sentence should be.
	Here's a young guy who is immature, said some stupid things online.
	The FBI sent out their best people to try to get a sting operation going.
	So it would be nice if someone could actually get that out in the open because it's really...
	I mean, this is not...
	Yeah, it's law enforcement, but this is not how you go about dealing with this situation.
	You get a hold of this kid, you shake him up, and you say, listen, you moron, what the hell are you doing?
	Yeah.
	So I'm glad.
	You rack up their numbers.
	Another terrorist caught you.
	That's right.
	Keep the budget going, boys.
	Everything's good.
	And...
	Yes.
	No, I don't have that story, and I'm sorry I don't.
	I do have this one, though, about the vaxxers.
	You want to hear a little propaganda, like propaganda, propaganda by our local news?
	Sure, sure, sure.
	Here's our vaxxers story.
	This morning we're exploring a report from medical professionals who are calling attention to what they say is a dangerous increase in the number of parents who are using medical waivers to avoid vaccinating their children.
	Immunization rates have increased from 93 to 95% since California adopted new child vaccination laws a couple of years ago.
	Those laws say that all children must be immunized before attending school.
	However, a new study finds the number of kindergartners in California with a vaccine exemption from a doctor has quadrupled since that law took effect.
	Alright, our question of the day is this.
	Do you think children should be required to be vaccinated to attend public school?
	Right now, 89% of you say yes, 11% say no.
	A lot of comments out there on social media.
	Sal, what do you have?
	I have from Sequin, it says, unvaccinated kids place other kids and adults at risk, not just at school, but in any public area.
	Others with chronic medical conditions are also unnecessarily placed at risk.
	Along those lines, Elijah tweeted me this saying, you live in the Bay Area where medical science and technology thrives.
	Why is this even a question?
	Furthermore, those they don't think children should be vaccinated need to take an intro science course as to why vaccinations are important.
	And Chris also chimed in saying, of course, and it's not just our kids either.
	It's all the kids.
	It's just common sense to me.
	Thank you for all your responses.
	You can reach us on Twitter about anything.
	Just make sure to use that hashtag.
	Yeah, you know, I'm starting to think illegal immigration is the way to go because our kids are going to die here.
	I mean, they got their amygdalas are messed up.
	The hippocampus is all screwed up from GPS issues.
	They're jacked with all kinds of vaccines.
	This is not good.
	Jacked up with vaccines.
	Well, they are.
	Yeah.
	I still don't.
	I've never understood.
	If your kid is vaccinated, what are you worried about?
	You know, the funny thing is about this is that...
	You can't get it if you're vaccinated, right?
	The funny thing is the story's premise was that vaccination rates has increased from 93% to 95%.
	What is the point of this story?
	Yeah.
	Probably Gardasil.
	Did they throw in an HPV anywhere?
	No, they never did.
	But, you know, you don't have to, necessarily.
	I got one last clip.
	You know, there's not a lot of showing on the M5M about the Free Tommy movement, which has gotten pretty big in the UK. There's a lot of people protesting wanting this guy out of jail, or at least in a safer jail than where he is right now.
	Tommy Robinson is what we're talking about.
	And the BBC is seen as the enemy of the people in the UK. Before you play this story, this is a very...
	You want to give a little background on this because I don't think everybody knows about it.
	And I also want to say...
	This is a very strange story.
	This guy was essentially dragged off the streets, arrested without a trial, thrown in jail, threw the key away.
	No, he had a trial.
	He had a trial.
	Very quick one.
	Yeah, it was a trial.
	You're guilty.
	Yes.
	Well, he was, but it's all on technicalities.
	This guy is a troublemaker because he's exposing the grooming and raping that's been going on in the north of England for decades, really.
	And it's seen as anti-Muslim.
	And the biggest perpetrators of the crimes are Pakistani.
	So, yeah, they're Muslim.
	But it's really just about what's happening.
	And for some reason, either through embarrassment or because of embarrassment or maybe they're complicit, the elites and the lawmakers just don't want anyone to hear about it.
	BBC has effectively just stifled the stories.
	Robinson, whose history I looked into, which takes a lot of watching YouTube interviews, started the ADL, which is seen as Nazis, Hitler, KKK, just name it, whatever you want, Bush.
	British KKK. And his story is, hey man, there's stuff going on here and nobody cares.
	And there's plenty of victims.
	Victims who've spoken.
	There's just tons of victims.
	This is a very screwball story.
	And this, to me, the way they grabbed him and tried him.
	I'm sorry, the EDF, not the ADL. The EDF, English Defense.
	Yeah, not the ADL. EDL. EDL, that's what it is.
	It looks a lot more like an extraction than it does anything else to me.
	Interesting.
	Huh.
	Well, he's been thrown in jail before, and that was no picnic, and it was not an extraction.
	Yeah, well, we don't know that he's...
	We don't even know he's in jail, because they won't let anyone see him, including his lawyers.
	Well, Sir Brian of London, I think, has spoken to him on the phone.
	He's pretty close to him.
	I'm pretty sure he's really in jail.
	Okay.
	Well, the main problem, the reason he's in jail is because, as a reporter for, I think, The Rebels...
	In the Canadian outfit.
	He was reporting from in front of the courthouse.
	I'll just call it that.
	It was like a foot behind a line you're not supposed to be reporting from.
	You're not supposed to show in certain cases you can't show accused.
	The bottom line is there's a whole bunch of guys who had even been convicted before and he gets thrown in jail for basically highlighting what the BBC won't do.
	That's the main problem.
	The BBC doesn't report on it properly, and man, people are pissed off about it.
	And I see this hashtag Free Tommy everywhere, not just the UK. I see it in the Netherlands.
	I see it in Germany.
	I see it in the U.S., So a lot of people are pissed about it.
	And this is just a very short clip, actually, just to show you the damage that is being done to institutions like the BBC as a reporter from Newsnight who finds a Dutch guy and they both realize they speak Dutch, Dutch but they do this very short interview in English I'm going to ask you why you've come here from Holland I'm going to go to the Netherlands yeah we can do it in English that's better for all
	I mean I speak Dutch but I don't think anyone what's the channel or we're from New Zealand on the BBC BBC?
	no thank you really?
	fuck off BBC mate is that the BBC?
	fuck off mate the BBC guy what?
	What?
	You just told the BBC to F off?
	What?
	I love that.
	Yeah, that's the other thing we have to remember.
	There was an edict by the government that these stories were denoticed, which means that nobody can report on them.
	Yep.
	So why is that?
	No, the denotice has been withdrawn since then, so they can report on it.
	Oh, okay, good.
	It doesn't matter.
	The problem is, there's a problem.
	There's a real problem.
	In the UK. And the authorities are not dealing with it.
	And this is Tinderbox time.
	People are getting very agitated.
	They got agita over it all, I'm telling you.
	Well, maybe all hell will break loose.
	Oh, I'm pretty convinced hell's going to break loose somewhere.
	If it's not in Sweden, you know, maybe it'll be in the UK. It could be anywhere.
	Could be anywhere.
	But hell is, and certainly in Europe, in the EU, hell is going to break loose.
	The Daily Mail is skewering Jean-Claude Junker the drunker, by the way.
	It's been fantastic.
	Because the British, they don't care.
	Like, hey, we're Brexiting, we think.
	We think.
	Yeah.
	An explosive new account of Brussels Insider says he heard the EU politician, Jean-Claude Juncker, is a little too fond of the bottle.
	And Mr.
	Junker has left his ambitious and unelected chief civil servant, this is the problem guy, Martin Selmayer, dubbed the monster, to run the commission.
	So there's disarray.
	Because his assistant, basically his intern, is now running the European commission, while Junker is just a blathering drunk man.
	Let's know this EU is in trouble.
	And why is everybody protecting him?
	This is what I don't understand.
	Why?
	Because they want to protect the experiment.
	Yeah.
	It's not him they're protecting.
	Right.
	Because first of all, nobody there is elected.
	This is what, you know, Farage kept bitching about.
	Yeah.
	And it's just a bunch of self-appointing.
	You know, these guys that appoint each other for different kinds of things, and they're kind of running things.
	If anything's a dictatorship, you know, this is it.
	Mm-hmm.
	And we want to, you know, it's a new German empire and we're trying to, there's going to be peace in Europe once the Germans take over everything.
	You know.
	Once the Germans take over, yes, they probably will.
	I got one more clip.
	It's just kind of a shorty.
	It's continuing to follow the fallout around Facebag.
	Mark Zuckerberg did an interview with another new interview with Recode, which I've not seen or heard yet.
	I don't know if it's video.
	It may just be audio.
	And I think I can deconstruct what his issue is here in the outrage over Holocaust denialism on Facebook.
	The Facebook CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, is facing backlash tonight after making comments that some say support Holocaust deniers.
	So his comments came during a podcast on the tech site Recode.
	There's a set of people who deny that the Holocaust happened.
	I find that deeply offensive.
	But at the end of the day, I don't believe that our platform should take that down because I think that there are things that different people get wrong.
	I don't think that they're intentionally getting it wrong.
	Well, the social media site founder says the material should stay on Facebook as long as the posts don't call for harm or violence.
	The interview immediately caused an uproar.
	We are troubled by a statement that doesn't identify Holocaust denial as blatant and troubling anti-Semitism.
	The CEO of the Illinois Holocaust Museum calls the comments wrong and irresponsible.
	Zuckerberg has since released a statement saying, quote, I personally find Holocaust denial deeply offensive and I absolutely didn't intend to defend the intent of people who deny that.
	So Zuckerberg is not just touching, he's pretty much licking the third rail right now.
	And this is a very, very precarious topic.
	So here we have a Jew who is saying, you know what, I just have to allow people to be wrong on my platform and deny the Holocaust.
	You know, there are ways, you know, this guy is naive.
	Well, I don't think so, but go ahead.
	I think he is, but I think...
	That he...
	I think, which is something I really don't like.
	Yeah, I don't like...
	I think that's not good.
	But it appears as if...
	I think, again...
	Would you like me to pay attention to this now for you?
	Yeah, I think that's a good idea.
	Okay.
	But...
	You sound like a bad tech show when you do that.
	He's naive.
	He's totally naive and he can't...
	He couldn't figure a way around.
	You could get out of these kinds of questions.
	Well, first of all...
	You can circumvent it.
	Well, that's not the question you should be asking me.
	There's a million ways we discuss them on the show all the time.
	He's inexperienced.
	All these tricks.
	Let me tell you what I think is going on, and then you tell me how he should have answered.
	I think what he sees going on...
	Damn it.
	My analysis of the situation...
	Is that Zuckerberg, and this harkens back to the previous clip I played about the outrage being online.
	It is my belief that Zuckerberg knows the incredible activity he's getting is from a minority group.
	And that would be mainly left-leaning, left-thinking people.
	And that is less than half of what he has on his platform.
	And if he starts to kick people off with alternative thoughts about the Holocaust, he knows exactly where that's coming from.
	That is definitely from the extreme right but also from the extreme left.
	He is afraid for his business.
	He knows that what will happen next and we're getting on that cusp very quickly.
	Eventually someone's going to say, you know what?
	Here is a Facebook which is only for people who think this way.
	Come on over here.
	And even if it wasn't half, even if it's only 30%, he doesn't need that aggro.
	So that's why I think he's couching it because he knows they will leave.
	He sees the numbers.
	He's got insight to this.
	There's no other reason.
	He's a Jew.
	Just say, yeah, screw it.
	We can't have that.
	That's fake news.
	That fake news has been around for 40 years.
	No, 60 years.
	He could have said that.
	80 years.
	Jesus.
	It's been a long time since I was a...
	He could have been.
	He could have said a million different things.
	To get out of that question.
	What do you think about my thesis though?
	Your thesis is the following.
	He looks at the numbers.
	He sees the potential for disaster.
	Even though, by my count, in insider trading, he's already taken out, I think, three to four million dollars.
	It's not about him personally.
	But, yeah, this is his baby.
	You think that he's worried about that, and so he's fumbling around trying to save the platform from interlopers.
	Yeah.
	It's as good a theory as any.
	I can't see any other reason.
	What you're trying to do is explain his stupidity.
	Yes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	That's exactly what I'm trying to do.
	Why is he so stupid?
	Because he can't be stupid.
	He's got to be smart.
	But this is not, I agree with you, it's still not the way to handle it.
	Very odd.
	It's like Gates was the same way.
	They're both that way.
	They have issues.
	All right.
	I have a couple.
	I just have the Bernie and AOC. For some reason, Bernie Sanders goes to Kansas with this woman.
	With AOC? She hasn't been elected yet, and she's already traipsing around.
	He's keeping her close.
	Okay.
	I think she is his protege at this point.
	Bernie likes the dark young ones.
	Well, let's play these two clips and we'll be done.
	Sanders and New York Democratic candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, they were both in Kansas Friday.
	You're stomping for congressional candidate Jim Thompson.
	I want to play a bite for you from that.
	I am so proud of everyone who is here in this room today because you are carrying the candle of hope for this country.
	Wait, what did he say?
	You are too!
	Oh, that's nice.
	Candidate Jim Thompson, I want to play a bite for you from that.
	I'm so proud of everyone who is here in this room today because you are carrying the candle of hope for this country.
	You are too!
	Oh, sweet.
	We love you, AOC! Back then, back then, the people of Kansas were the tipping point for the future of this nation, and today they are again.
	And we say to Trump, instead of showing us your strength by tearing children from their families, where was your strength in standing up to Putin and Russia for undermining American democracy?
	Putin!
	Putin!
	How concerned are establishment Democrats about their position and the way they're positioned right now with the party and then this rise of sort of these progressive Democrats that people weren't really watching in the lead-up?
	Well, those quotes were so rich with...
	Reaction on all parts and how they're playing on Capitol Hill.
	In particular, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, she's not making a lot of friends in the Democratic Party on Capitol Hill.
	Democratic lawmakers who met with her and who are not very happy that she defeated one of their own, essentially, Joe Crowley.
	But in addition to which, she's actively backing and endorsing More liberal candidates in Democratic primaries against sitting members of Congress, and that's sort of a no-no.
	And, you know, when we were talking to several Democratic lawmakers, they said, well, you know, when she gets to Capitol Hill, she'll realize that things are a little bit different if you don't have friends.
	I like her and Bernie teaming up.
	I think that's very smart for both of them.
	Well, when they go on with this analysis, which is one of the overnight shows, They make it clear that Bernie had a bad time of it.
	I started thinking about this.
	Probably some of the reasons that the DNC, which was really never discussed, kind of submarine Bernie's campaign is because the Democrats always hated Bernie.
	They just hate the guy.
	He's not a team player.
	He runs as an independent.
	There's no reason to give him any support.
	His wardrobe sucks.
	There's a lot of things.
	Never combs his hair.
	Right.
	up maybe get into the campaign but they didn't like bernie personally at all but let's play part two and then we can finish senator sanders i want to ask you because i know you've been active um recently on this issue and concern you have about russian election meddling Vladimir Putin was invited to the White House this fall.
	The Secretary of State says the invitation has not yet been confirmed.
	Do you think it should be withdrawn?
	Look, the truth is it's hard to comment on anything that Trump says because he could change his mind tomorrow.
	But I will tell you that I was absolutely outraged by his behavior in Helsinki where he really sold the American people out.
	And it makes me think that either Trump doesn't understand what Russia has done, not only to our elections, but to cyber attacks against all parts of our infrastructure.
	Either he doesn't understand it, or perhaps...
	He is being blackmailed by Russia because they may have compromising information about him.
	Really?
	Perhaps also.
	You have a president who really does have strong authoritarian tendencies, and maybe he admires the kind of government that Putin is running in Russia.
	That's on today's Face the Nation.
	That'll be playing as we speak.
	It's checking off the old Trump boxes.
	And this is such a contrast to what we heard at the beginning of the show when I brought out the real lefties.
	Yeah.
	Who are not singing this song at all.
	This is Bernie just playing to the audience.
	So he's lost all his original thoughts, sadly.
	Because he, you know, he had some good thoughts.
	He had some thoughts that people turned on to.
	He's not the original in anything he said.
	And now he's, you know...
	Doing stumping with AOC. He's pathetic.
	He's just latching a wagon on.
	That is very pathetic.
	And she can't be his vice presidential candidate or anything like that.
	That's impossible.
	Just age-wise.
	You don't know what's going on.
	You have to be 35, don't you?
	Or more.
	I forgot.
	I think it's 35.
	It's not her age.
	I know she misses it.
	No, that's for sure.
	Look, all I know is my tip for the M5M is you better get on Bill.
	You get the hag team out and get Bill out of the way so you can do six months of retrospective because the Republicans are looking at George H. Walker Bush.
	They're saying, hey, we could have six weeks of retrospection.
	Oh, they're both trying to hold out the one who's going to die last.
	That's it.
	Who will die last?
	There you go.
	Mark my words, someone's got to go before November.
	This is only discussed on the No Agenda show.
	No one else would have the guts to bring this up.
	But we're happy to do it so you're prepared for the onslaught.
	And coming to you from downtown Austin, Texas, here in the capital of the Drone Star State, FEMA Region No.
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	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, Dvorak.org slash NA. I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We return on Sunday with another edition of the No Agenda Show.
	Until then, adios, mofos!
	Can I still get a tax?
	Well, yeah, but we're returning on Thursday, not Sunday.
	Oh, what is it today?
	Sunday?
	Thursday?
	So I'm quitting this getting you a cab job.
	I'm confused.
	Donate to a No Agenda They give us shows week after week Donate to a No Agenda It's a show that's really unique Donate to a No Agenda Listen to John and Adam speak Donate to a No Agenda Science is turning into a clique Again,
	nothing.
	No.
	So nice.
	You live here?
	Yes.
	Maybe you know what a zombie is.
	When a person dies and is buried, it seems a certain brutal priest will have the power to bring him back to life.
	How is this?
	It's worse than horrible because a zombie has no will of his own.
	You see them sometimes.
	Sometimes.
	Sometimes.
	Following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.
	You mean like Democrats?
	Walking around blindly with dead eyes Like Democrats It's worse than horrible because a zombie has no will of his own Will of his own Like Democrats?
	Zero collusion.
	And it has had a negative impact upon the relationship.
	It's ridiculous.
	It's ridiculous what's going on.
	This is utter nonsense.
	But isn't that natural?
	Isn't it natural to be sympathetic towards a person who is willing to restore the relationship with our country, who wants to work with us?
	I was saying to myself the other day, I said, you know, Russia really helped us.
	I'm not pro-Russia, pro-anybody.
	I just want to have this country be safe.
	I don't want nuclear weapons.
	I don't see any reason why I wouldn't, or why it wouldn't be Russia.
	Let's go.
	Take your way out.
	Racist.
	Sexist.
	Homophobic.
	Xenophobic.
	Islamophobic.
	You name it.
	you name it Racist, sexist Homophobic, xenophobic Racist, sexist Homophobic, xenophobic Racist, sexist Homophobic, xenophobic sexist Homophobic, xenophobic Xenophobic, xenophobic Xenophobic Genophobic.
	Genophobic.
	You name it.
	You name it.
	Racist.
	Sexist.
	Homophobic, xenophobic, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic. Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic. As one-a-phobic, as one-a-phobic, xenophobic. As one-a-phobic, as one-a-phobic, as one-a-phobic, as one-a-phobic.
	You name it.

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