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	Bin Al-Tolid Al-Palilam Al-Walid Bin Talal Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's Thursday, November 9th, 2017 This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 9 or 8-0.
	This is No Agenda.
	Baddling upgrades to our experience and broadcasting live from downtown Austin Tejas in the capital of the Drone Star State in the Cludio.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley where I got to see a very interesting sight a few minutes ago.
	I'm John C. DeVore.
	It must be Zephyr related.
	Yes, it is.
	Gee, why do I think that?
	All right.
	What was your unusual sight, John?
	They had three private cars hooked to the end of this Zephyr.
	Ooh, nice.
	And one of them was kind of a nondescript, like a Midwestern car.
	The other two were both the original California Zephyr cars.
	Dome cars.
	The first one was a normal car, and the last car, and the whole Zephyr, was a very famous private coach, which is the original Zephyr.
	I sound like a complete idiot.
	Idiot, yes, that's okay, keep going.
	The original observation car.
	Wait, that's the one we saw the picture of.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's a beautiful car, actually.
	Oh, it's gorgeous.
	Well, okay.
	Settle down.
	Settle down now.
	I'm not sure who owns it, but, well, next we talk about my ham gear.
	Yeah, and then comic books.
	Woo!
	Welcome to the best podcast in the universe, ladies and gentlemen.
	Back to a normal show.
	Feels good.
	I don't know about that.
	Well, it started off rough this morning.
	Now, you told me Windows doesn't do this, but on the Mac, if you start up Skype, just, you know, I'm just going to start Skype up because I want to use it.
	All of a sudden, we've upgraded your experience and everything's different.
	The whole interface is different.
	How you get to the audio-video settings is different.
	It had changed my audio-video settings.
	Yeah, that's the bad part.
	Who thinks this is a good idea?
	Well, you know, they used to do that with Windows, but they don't.
	Nowadays, they ask you, oh, we've got a great new Skype.
	Do you want to use it?
	And that you have a choice.
	It says, no, thanks.
	I'll check it out later.
	But don't they say, upgrade your experience?
	I don't know what the exact wording is, but you can just say no.
	Well, I can't wait because my gear was supposed to come yesterday, my new computer, my Windows computer, because as you know, I'm in transition.
	I'm transitioning.
	You're transitioning.
	I am transitioning to Windows.
	It's a scary thing.
	It's very disappointing to a lot of the Mac people out there.
	Yeah, well, the Mac has become very disappointing.
	And, Chase, if everybody with their iPhone X... I've always gotten the new gear.
	I've always liked it.
	I don't know what it is.
	Why do I have an antipathy now?
	To the iPhone X? Yeah, maybe Apple in general.
	I don't know what it is.
	Maybe they weren't out there well.
	Maybe the magic is faded.
	That's my guess from the missing circle.
	The magic died.
	Although the X is important too.
	It's just the X should be in a circle.
	Maybe there's no circle.
	I'm not drawn to it.
	No circle.
	Any word on that Surface phone yet?
	Because that's the one I want.
	There's no word.
	It'd probably be 2020.
	Damn.
	The way Microsoft operates.
	Oh, man.
	All right.
	It'll be a big surprise when they do it.
	Yeah, I wanted to start off with...
	They have to bail out.
	What's that?
	They'll bail out.
	They had all kinds of cool initiatives.
	They had maybe that giant Surface device and the folding laptop that was like a book.
	Yeah.
	Well, as long as they...
	Well, I think they should continue the Surface line, but I opted not to get that.
	It's just too expensive.
	It's just crazy.
	$3,000 for a moderately sized touchscreen, sure, but...
	Yeah, well, you can put a machine together cheaper than that.
	Yeah, I got an Alienware.
	Oh, Alienware is good stuff.
	Yeah, I think they're made.
	Aren't they made in Texas?
	They're made by Dell.
	Oh, for Texas.
	There you go.
	Yeah, it's nice.
	I like those.
	All right, I wanted to start with a little deconstruction regarding the president in Korea, his trip there.
	Do you have anything on his Korea trip?
	I don't have any clips or anything.
	I do have a couple of clips.
	No, not...
	Yes, I do.
	Oh, okay.
	I have the...
	Yeah.
	Let me see.
	No, go ahead.
	You have worst ABC North Korea background checks.
	Is that not...
	Yeah, this is a different kind of a story.
	This is one of the worst...
	One of the worst ABC reports, which includes two stories they somehow combine just so they can get a little needle in on Trump.
	Okay.
	And I'd rather play it later.
	Oh, okay.
	We can do that later.
	Yeah.
	Well, so, you know, as the news media does, left and right, CNN and Fox, if we just want to call out the universes, they always got to make fun of the guy.
	And in this case, they were very wrong and stupid, stupidly wrong.
	Uh, there was a lot of bitching about, oh, he could, oh, he had to promote his golf course!
	What a douche!
	What a dick move!
	You saw this, I presume?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I saw that.
	Let me play the clip for a sec.
	And Korean golfers are some of the best on earth.
	In fact, and you know what I'm going to say, the women's U.S. Open was held at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.
	And...
	It just happened to be won by a great Korean golfer, Sung Hyun Park.
	And eight of the top ten players were from Korea.
	And the top four golfers, one, two, three, four, the top four were from Korea.
	Congratulations.
	Now, everybody just fell over themselves to condemn the president for doing this.
	But I happen to know, because my uncle was ambassador to South Korea, that there are a couple of things that are very, very important to the Koreans.
	And golf is, it's like, it's bigger than NASCAR for them.
	And the fact that they're winning, that they have huge pros, it's like a $15 billion industry in Korea.
	And they really, really love this.
	And in fact, if you listen to the applause, it wasn't just polite.
	They were really, oh, yeah!
	I think he did a really good thing here.
	He really endeared them by saying, hey, I get your culture.
	And it happened again this time on Fox with another thing.
	So, Trump did one of the most Trump things ever when he went and ate with the Prime Minister of Japan.
	Instead of ordering sushi or tempura, some of the best food you could ever have over in Japan, the man orders a well-done cheeseburger.
	That's what he likes.
	Yes, and he locally sourced it.
	The beef was from America, apparently, and he's got the Heinz ketchup over there.
	So, well done, Mr.
	President.
	I agree with him on that.
	You do?
	Yeah, this is how he eats.
	Order what you want where you are, it's better for your dad.
	I guess, I guess.
	Not a single one of these people, no, they're all retards.
	What a moronic bunch.
	Do they know nothing?
	By the way, I love that clip.
	You should start off all your clips with a bunch of laughter.
	Just a bunch of laughter.
	I thought you'd like that.
	Adding kind of a stupidity to the clip that is pretty hard to otherwise catch.
	laughter Yeah.
	The beef...
	Where's the beef?
	The only thing more important than golf in South Korea is their beef.
	They were talking about him when he was in Japan.
	Oh, fuck me.
	I'm sorry.
	I thought there was Korea.
	No, no, they made a big point.
	Oh, then my whole thing is no good.
	No, it's still valid.
	I don't think it's the same.
	Well, let me tell you what I was going to say, and then you can tell me how it's still valid.
	Nothing is more important than golf and beef in Korea.
	That's all I was going to say.
	Particularly American beef.
	It may be...
	I don't know if there's a thing with Japan with the beef.
	I feel stupid.
	No, the Japanese have their own beef thing.
	I feel stupid.
	But they do have McDonald's, don't they have beef?
	I feel stupid.
	The Japanese...
	Well, you shouldn't because it's actually...
	There is a better point to make.
	Okay.
	Which is...
	I've noticed this.
	The Japanese like to...
	When they come over here, they like to...
	There's another train going by very slowly.
	Oh, come on.
	Looks like they're bringing the Zephyr, but no, it's a different train.
	There's a thing about the Japanese, and I've told this story before on the show, and I'm going to tell it again.
	The Japanese try to make the point that you can eat your own food when you're in Japan in hopes that you will allow them to eat their own food when they're visiting the United States.
	Because the tendency is to...
	Take him to Lugers and give him steaks that make him sick.
	Did you say Hooters?
	Lugers.
	Peter Lugers.
	It's funny what you're hearing.
	Because they get sick.
	They don't have the right enzymes because they don't eat enough beef and they'll be out of commission.
	It's an American trick, American businessman's trick to always take Japanese businessmen who you want to take out of the negotiations to the steakhouses.
	You'll be puking all night, bro.
	They'll be sick as a dog for a month.
	So when you go to Japan...
	If it's some official sort of a group, they try to encourage you to have American food there and you have to ask to eat the Japanese food.
	You almost have to, you know, if you're floating around by yourself as a tourist, yeah, you do whatever you want.
	But if you're in a group, you're always guided away.
	And the message is what I just said, which is they would like the same ability.
	Well, in other words, in other words, Curry swings and misses and Dvorak steals home!
	So it's fine what would happen.
	It's not a big deal like these guys are making it out to be because, oh, they have the best sushi.
	And who thinks everybody in the world eats sushi?
	It's pretty...
	Yeah, we all remember Bush, one, puking in the prime minister's lap.
	Yeah, you don't want that.
	Get that guy a burger.
	I doubt that half the Americans in this country have ever had a piece of sushi.
	Oh, that's possible.
	It's possible.
	It doesn't even sound right for some people.
	What?
	Raw fish?
	Nah!
	The CDC, going back to North Korea for a moment, or Korea, The CDC is on top of their game.
	They're spending money.
	The CDC is supposed to take care of us whenever something bad is going on.
	And they have a new version of duck and cover, which is now meant for the millennial generation.
	And this is put out now, probably coincidentally with all the fear about North Korea killing us with a nuclear weapon.
	If a radiation emergency happens in your area...
	This is a whole animated video.
	You can protect yourself, your loved ones, and your pets.
	No matter where you are, the safest action to take immediately after a radiation emergency is to get inside, stay inside, and stay tuned.
	You know, yeah.
	By iodine from InfoWarsHealth.com.
	People, producers, are experts in this field, and they say, really, the best thing to do is to go away in the opposite direction from the blast zone as quickly as possible, as far as possible.
	Do not go indoors and sit there and listen to what the CDC tells you to do, you dumb slaves.
	If you are outside or in a car, bus, or other vehicle, get inside a building right away.
	Cars do not provide good protection from radiation outside.
	If you have pets, bring them inside with you if you can.
	For food.
	Radioactive material settles on the outside of buildings, like dust or mud.
	So the best thing to do is stay either in the basement or as far away from the walls and roof as you can.
	Close and lock all doors, windows and fireplace dampers.
	and turn off fans, air conditioners, and forced air heating units that bring air in from the outside.
	Once you are inside, stay tuned for updated instructions.
	Television, radio, and social media may be used to share more information.
	Oh, yeah.
	Remember, immediately after.
	Oh yeah.
	Woo!
	This is bad advice.
	That's bad advice.
	The best thing to do is, and they should say, get in your car, turn on recirculation.
	Yeah.
	Which is the button on the air conditioner that recirculates the air so it doesn't bring in outside air.
	And drive, drive, drive.
	Yes, as fast as you can go.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	This is dumb.
	Yeah.
	I don't know how they came up with that.
	And why is this even being played?
	Why are they trying to scare the public?
	Who's bombing who?
	Well, you were alive when Duck and Cover was in schools.
	It's a similar thing.
	It's the same playbook.
	Yeah, it was terrorizing little kids.
	Hey, and by the way, millennials don't have cars.
	It's a problem.
	Thank you, DC girl.
	Good call, troll room.
	Good call.
	Yeah, they have Duck and Cover, and don't look at the flash.
	Get on your bike as soon as possible, you hipster.
	And go in the opposite direction.
	Geez.
	Now is it time for your ABC Korea clip?
	Well, the clip is really about the...
	Okay, this is one of the worst...
	ABC has really lost its head writers or something because they decided to combine two stories that are totally unrelated.
	Two completely unrelated, and they combine them into one for no apparent reason.
	Let's play this.
	Korea threat, a dramatic change in tone from the president, even expressing hope about talks with North Korea, something he recently called a waste of time.
	I really believe that it makes sense for North Korea to come to the table and to make a deal that's good for the people of North Korea and the people of the world.
	I do see certain movement, yes.
	But let's see what happens.
	Quite a shift for the president who not long ago said this.
	They will be met with fire, fury, and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before.
	And while he continued to boast about America's military dominance, he acknowledged war would be bad for everyone.
	We have many things happening that we hope, we hope, fact is.
	I'll go a step further.
	We hope to God we never have to use.
	Jonathan Karl with us tonight from Seoul.
	And John, the president in Asia, of course, dealing with North Korea there, but also the mass shooting here at home.
	And John, when it comes to this suspect, despite that domestic violence conviction, that escape from a mental facility, the president insisting that extreme vetting would not have worked?
	Yeah, David, you heard him say it, but the bottom line is there are bipartisan calls in Congress to strengthen the background check system, including John Cornyn, a prominent Republican in the Senate, saying that he wants a new law strengthening the current background check system.
	David?
	Jonathan Carr reporting on the president's trip in Asia.
	John, our thanks to you, and there are also major developments in the Russia investigation.
	That is very strange.
	And then he wraps it and says, here's John Carl reporting on an Asian trip.
	So what's that got to do with this shooter in Texas?
	Nothing.
	That's very odd.
	Why are they...
	I don't even know why I'm asking you.
	There's no reason.
	No rhyme or reason.
	No, this was to me one of the worst...
	Jobs of reporting ABC has ever done by combining these two stories.
	I don't get it.
	They have the reporter that's reporting the Asian story and they're asking him about background checks.
	It almost feels like a paragraph got messed up in the prompter.
	No, he asked them the question.
	It does have that, but then if that's true, then John Carl is one of the best field reporters in history.
	Yeah.
	Because he didn't miss a beat answering the question about background checks.
	Could be.
	Even though he's reporting from Korea.
	By the way, update.
	We really need to get the Curry-Dvorak Consulting Group over to the CDC. Because obviously it should be call an Uber.
	That's what the millennials do.
	Yeah, they call an Uber.
	Or get your bike share.
	Bike share.
	You know, so in San Francisco, they have all these Ford bikes.
	Ford?
	As in the...
	I gotta take a picture of this rack.
	Ford, as in Ford trucks?
	Yeah.
	It's a big rack of bikes that you pay a little...
	I guess, I don't know if you pay a dollar.
	I don't know what the procedure is.
	It's one of these rent-a-bikes.
	And it's a rack of about, I don't know...
	Yeah, we got them here.
	In New York, they're called city bikes.
	Yeah, no, they have those, too.
	Yeah, oh, okay.
	But these are Fords.
	Hmm.
	And every bike has the Ford logo on it.
	And it's like, why is Ford doing this?
	It just makes zero sense to me.
	And I don't know what they cost, but these other bikes, like Citi and some of these other bikes that are borderline free, where you pay a quarter or something cheap, people are leaving them all over the place, like they did in China.
	We did this story about...
	Yes, I remember.
	In Austin, it seems to be working.
	Well, in the Bay Area, it's not.
	Well, it's Californians.
	You're not polite.
	You don't put your bike back.
	Well, they do put it back in the middle of the top of a tree back.
	But these Ford bikes, I'm going to take this.
	It seems like someone bought into some advertising scam and thought it was a good idea.
	Ford should be promoting cars, not bikes.
	I know.
	It's the new Ford, John.
	The new Ford.
	The friendlier Ford.
	And forget that.
	It's Chevy Truck Month.
	Thank you very much.
	Did you notice that it's always Chevy Truck Month?
	It is.
	Well, the Country Music Awards last night and a big, big sponsorship by Chevrolet.
	Did you watch those awards?
	Was anything good?
	Well, yeah.
	They did a lot about the Vegas victims and they showed that collage photo.
	Of the victims.
	They did something generally interesting, which is instead of...
	Well, they did have one kind of full-length dead people segment, which I was surprised to learn that Tony Martell and Sandy Gallin have passed away.
	I know both of them.
	I was like, oh, I didn't get the memo.
	And so Carrie Underwood was singing, but throughout the evening, they would have different bands perform, and they would do a song by a dead person who had written the song.
	And the funniest bit was when Little Big Town won for Best Song of the Year, which is really recognition for the writer.
	And it was...
	It's almost like they were embarrassed because...
	And I should have clipped it, actually.
	You know, the award goes to...
	I forget what the name of the song was.
	And it's Taylor Swift!
	And you can see everyone going, like, what?
	She wasn't there, first of all.
	And they came up and said, yeah, Taylor Swift wrote this song.
	So she deserves all the credit.
	You could tell they were feeling uncomfortable.
	Oh, the Taylor Swift thing is completely out of control.
	Well, I want to say that I am a little bit from the future on this.
	Yeah, you kind of called this early.
	Kind of!
	But they...
	Well, you didn't call it years ago.
	I have a clip, but...
	Of yourself?
	No, I have a clip of the controversy.
	The American Civil Liberties Union has issued a letter calling out Taylor Swift after her lawyers threatened a blogger with a lawsuit.
	The piece, published on a site called Popfront, drew a connection between the Call It What You Want singer and the alt-right movement.
	It was written by the site's executive editor, Megan Herning, who argued that Swift's music has included alt-right language and symbolism.
	The Post also critiques Swift's decision not to publicly endorse a candidate in the 2016 election.
	Now the ACLU is involved, representing Herning and posting a cease and desist letter sent by Swift's lawyer, William J. Briggs.
	Calling for the Post's removal, Briggs asserts the singer has no obligation to broadcast her political views, telling Herning, The fact that her political views are not public enough for your taste does not give you the authority to presume what her political opinions may be, or that her political views correlate to the support of white supremacy.
	Briggs also insisted that Swift unequivocally denounces white supremacy and the alt-right.
	This story has taken off, and it's no different from what we played from that stupid entertainment podcast when we first identified what was going on with Taylor Swift.
	And if you read this blog post, which is very long, but it's in the show notes at 980.noagendanotes.com, the author is taking her video, ripping it apart, and saying, well, you see, this thing over here, that's clearly a little nudge-nudge-wink-wink towards white supremacists, and we're connecting the dots.
	I'm distressed by this.
	This is a 26, 27.
	I won't say that she's not talented and genius and successful.
	Well, you can say she's not talented, but genius and successful for sure.
	She's talented.
	But then, you know, this is wrong.
	This is just wrong what's happening.
	I'm defending Tay-Tay.
	Team Tay-Tay!
	There's a very good editorial in today's, I think it's today's Washington Post, that talks about the new feminism is really ugly, and they cite this Taylor Swift episode, and they have a checklist.
	They say if Taylor Swift is considered to be everything bad because she won't denounce Trump.
	Right, that was the top reason we identified.
	That's all it is.
	Yeah.
	And then they said that today's feminists say, if you don't denounce Trump, you're not a feminist, no matter what you say.
	And it's extremely well written.
	It's got all the real definitions.
	I'll put that in the show notes.
	I hadn't seen that yet.
	But I saw Variety write about it.
	USA Today write about it.
	And at the same time, she's got her campaign is in full gear.
	She's selling a magazine with her CD. She's got a new album hitting.
	Dropping.
	It's dropping.
	It's dropping.
	You notice how I said hitting?
	No, you see, it's got to drop, baby.
	She's got a new album coming out.
	By the way, what's wrong with saying coming out, a new album coming out?
	Why say dropping?
	Because that's cultural appropriation at its best.
	It comes from the hip-hop world, this.
	And so it seems like there's a lot of this publicity that's probably benefiting her.
	Yeah, and also she has, I think, a TV channel on Youverse, which is coming.
	Yeah.
	Her and Oprah.
	Yeah.
	That'll be a bust.
	I don't know about that.
	No.
	Do not doubt the power of the Tay-Tay.
	I doubt the power of these TV networks.
	True.
	Since we're talking real news, let's jump to the latest on Kevin Spacey.
	Well, first we go ahead.
	And now, back to real news.
	This is the ABC. No.
	You gotta save that.
	That's the second clip.
	All right.
	The first clip is more Kevin Spacey allegations.
	Ooh, yes.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Where are we?
	Yeah.
	Boom.
	A distraught mother, a former Boston TV news anchor, today accused actor Kevin Spacey of sexually assaulting her son.
	Heather Unruh says her son did not report it at the time because he was ashamed.
	We caution her story includes graphic details.
	Here's Jerika Duncan.
	Actor Kevin Spacey has sexually assaulted my son.
	At a news conference in Boston today, Heather Unruh described what she says Kevin Spacey did to her son at the club car restaurant on Nantucket in July of 2016 when he was 18 years old.
	Kevin Spacey bought him drink after drink after drink.
	And when my son was drunk.
	Spacey made his move.
	Spacey stuck his hand inside my son's pants and grabbed his genitals.
	She says Spacey left the table and a random stranger came to her son's aid.
	She told him to run.
	And he did.
	Unruh, a former news anchor, tweeted her frustration on October 13th, saying in part, The Cape and Islands District Attorney's Office confirmed to CBS News that they have received information regarding allegations of indecent assault and battery.
	Police are now investigating.
	Representatives for Spacey didn't return our request for comment.
	Unruh has a message for the Oscar-winning actor.
	And when he hurts one person, he hurts all the people who love that person.
	And he should be ashamed of himself.
	I hope he feels real shame and at some point feels the heartache.
	Doubtful.
	Okay, so I have this other...
	This kid was 18, I believe, right?
	So he shouldn't have been drinking anyway.
	Right.
	Well, that turns out to be besides the point in the story.
	There's another aspect of the story.
	If you read Variety and some of these other trades, the kid was starstruck with space.
	Sure.
	And try to find a picture of him.
	Try to find a picture of this 18-year-old.
	It's not illegal to post a picture of an 18-year-old.
	Find his picture.
	What does he look like?
	Interesting.
	You won't find it.
	I think I found one...
	And I think that you can kind of get a little with this ABC report, which has got a little more in it than the CBS report, which is really just negative reporting.
	The ABC report gives us a little insight.
	It's said here, and you'll get a kind of a feeling for what might really have happened.
	She says Spacey insisted that her son go with him to a party.
	Then the actor left to use the bathroom.
	A concerned woman quickly came to my very shaken son's side and asked if he was okay.
	She told him to run.
	And he did.
	He ran as fast as he could all the way to his grandmother's house.
	She says he woke up his sister and together they called their mom.
	Nothing could have prepared my son for how that sexual assault would make him feel as a man.
	It harmed him.
	And it cannot be undone.
	She says her son filed a police report last week and handed over evidence.
	Netflix had already severed ties with the House of Cards actor after mounting harassment allegations.
	Couple of things.
	One, why are both kids at Grandma's house?
	Two, evidence.
	Those are two things.
	He ran and ran and ran to grandma's house.
	Now, did he get picked up or taken?
	Maybe he took an Uber to this place so he didn't have time to call Uber again.
	So he didn't have a car.
	So he ran and ran and ran to grandma's house.
	And then to get...
	To call the mom, he had to wake up his sister.
	Yeah.
	Now, I'm not...
	Don't know anything about this kid, and I'm not going to make accusations, but he seems like a very sensitive boy.
	Yes.
	And I think Spacey saw him as gay and coming on to him, and his little, before I go to the bathroom, grab his crotch thing was probably some sort of a...
	Well, that's gay for hate.
	Gay for hey.
	That's gay for hey.
	Hey, gay for hey.
	Show title.
	I don't know about show title.
	But the point is, is that this is ridiculous, this story.
	It is ridiculous.
	And where is the boy?
	Where's the boy?
	How come the boy's not there doing the news conference?
	Why is mom taking care of all of this?
	Nah, you're connecting the dots.
	And mom, if you see a picture of mom and her husband who looks rather Hollywood-ish, probably produce...
	Just a very good-looking boy.
	Let me say, put it that way.
	Right.
	Okay, so...
	This story is very...
	This is just...
	Now it's gotten to the point of just...
	I have thoughts about that.
	Let's bash Spacey.
	I have thoughts about that, but first...
	Spacey.
	First, I need to give you props.
	I'm breaking the no-talker rule.
	You were very, very right with your assessment of Spacey and the gay community.
	You know, I heard his show got canceled.
	This was...
	Some Hollywood gay guy on Tucker's show.
	You know, I heard his show got canceled.
	It's a shame that we don't have a metaphor for a crumbling failure.
	This seems to be...
	It's typical that these people are so much in bed with one another that it doesn't even occur to them that this reaction would be like this, that people would catch on to this and see how disgusting this was.
	Now, don't be mistaken for one second.
	If Kevin Spacey had been a good gay in Hollywood, if he had come out years ago, because people have known that he's been openly gay, basically living as an openly gay man for a long time, if he had come out, if he'd been at the GLAAD Awards every year, if he'd been on the cover of Out Magazine...
	If he'd been this outspoken member of the gay community, they would not be dragging him like this.
	They would be trying to bury these 14-year-old, these allegations that this person made about things that happened when he was 14 years old.
	You were right.
	Yeah.
	You were totally right.
	I did get a note from one of our, maybe gay listeners, I'm not sure.
	We don't have any gay listeners.
	We have plenty of gay listeners.
	And this guy berated me, saying, no, it's not the gays.
	Of course, it's an inside joke.
	Yeah, it's a big inside joke.
	It's not the gays.
	And then he sent me a clip of Spacey mocking the Bohemian Grove.
	In a part of the...
	Okay.
	The Illuminati is trying to get rid of him.
	That's what it is.
	But it was some other group, but it was clearly mocking the Bohemian Grove.
	And this was after he had visited, I guess he was a guest there for one of the summer encampments.
	And he probably liked it or didn't like it, you can't say.
	But...
	He did this bit, and so thus, yes, he's claiming this Illuminati.
	You know, I know a lot of these guys in the Bohemian Club, and they're so far away from politics nowadays, it's not even...
	They just roll their eyes at this stuff.
	I just don't see this even being a remote possibility, and they have very little influence in Hollywood.
	None.
	Not compared to the gay community.
	Right.
	And so I'm sticking with my guns, and I'm glad you brought this clip in so that kind of Throws back on this guy who sent me the pushback.
	Well, there is one additional theory, which I'm a little disturbed that you and I didn't figure it out.
	And it's not the reason why the Hurricane Harvey Gate storm erupted, but...
	Who are the main people with very little evidence for seemingly innocuous crimes?
	At least in Spacey's case.
	We don't really know what happened.
	He said, she said.
	You just pointed out this is an odd story.
	Also, the head of Amazon Studios.
	I believe, as our producer pointed out to me, that this may be being misused, abused, or used from the broadcast and film people, but really broadcast, to shame the video on demand people, their biggest competitor.
	And they just got rid of a pretty big show.
	Well, that's an interesting theory.
	It's no agenda thinking to the max.
	And it would bring in the reason that Woody Allen's name kept cropping back into the situation, because he's done a deal with Amazon, and he put a phony baloney little TV thing together, but it sucked, so nobody was...
	And Jeffrey Tambor is now being accused of harassing a trans woman, and that's another Netflix show.
	Yeah.
	Keep your eye on it.
	Now, this, I like.
	You're right.
	This is totally no agenda.
	Wow.
	That's a great...
	That's a good one.
	I'm actually more inclined to...
	I think the gay thing's still valid, and I think they are, you know, ganging up on him.
	But I like this better.
	This is...
	Let me see.
	I think it was...
	Adam Barrett.
	Yeah, Producer Barrett.
	And...
	Let me just read his note, actually.
	Occasional producer, listener.
	The first thing that struck me when the series of articles on Weinstein came out, the emphasis on its relationship with Netflix and Amazon.
	The emphasis, yes.
	Also, why was this such a big deal?
	But every party involved went out of their way to do everything possible to cover the whole Jeffrey Epstein business.
	Oh, that's a whole other story.
	Let me see what he puts here.
	Hollywood's revenue is in decline.
	I don't have the numbers at hand, but I understand it's the worst year for revenue in a very long time.
	Video on demand is being blamed.
	Well, to further recognize this open secret, you only have to look at the actresses who were wholly compelled to thank wine, she had every opportunity and arguably the alignment to these and those wrapped up in the fappening.
	Ricky Gervais made a joke.
	Anyway, I like the whole broadcast and theater versus Netflix and Amazon angle.
	Because it certainly seems that's what it's being used for.
	We have to analyze.
	I think we have to do this properly.
	We'd have to look at the unions and how much involvement they have with the video on demand.
	Because if the thing is going video on demand, it's still money into the same coffers.
	Paramount, 20th Century Fox, and all these guys.
	So they're not going to be complaining about this.
	But not the Spacey production.
	That was not a big studio production, as far as I know.
	I don't think so.
	I don't know.
	We'd have to look at it.
	But I like this whole theory.
	I think it's valid to look at it that way.
	I got a kick, by the way, because I made this mention on the other last show about what about the women who liked You know, having sex with Weinstein.
	There's always that kind of a woman.
	And so, just as I was saying that, I didn't put it in the newsletter, but I could have.
	So I'm looking at, again, since I'm going through Variety to read some of the trade stuff, there's a picture on the online, picture of guess who, Lindsay Lohan, saying, I don't see why everyone's jumping all over Harvey.
	They should leave him alone.
	Stop now.
	Stop picking on Harvey.
	Media Rights Capital.
	So that's one into that camp.
	Media Rights Capital, MRC, is the main production company.
	And let's see what they do.
	They also are producing Ozark, which is, I think, also an on-demand.
	House of Cards, House of Cards, Ricky Gervais Show, or Ricky Gervais Specialties.
	Careful, Ricky Gervais, you're next.
	Who else could be on the way?
	Let me see.
	Man, they produce a lot.
	Rita Rocks?
	Who's Rita Rocks?
	What's Rita Rocks?
	I'm not familiar with that show.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Well, I think we should keep our eye on it.
	Yeah, I like that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I liked it too.
	Okay.
	Well, I think we covered that enough.
	Yeah.
	Oh, by the way, the story that I don't have any clips for, and that I think is like a meaningful in some funny way or other, and I think we touched on it, is the, I know I talked about it with Horowitz, which is these new papers, the new version of the- Oh, the Panama Papers, yeah, and I didn't- But they're not the Panama, they're- I mean the Paradise Papers.
	Paradise Papers.
	Yeah, and I heard you and Horowitz talk about it.
	I actually didn't hear much of the show.
	I just heard it in the opening, and I figured, I don't have to worry about it.
	John's got it covered, so go.
	There's nothing to get.
	That's why I'm pre-apologizing.
	Well, I don't even know the basics of it.
	Oh.
	Well, the basics of it is this big law firm.
	It's similar to what happened in Panama.
	There's a company that specializes in hiding money.
	Yay!
	Yay!
	And now this is a bigger one.
	This is a bigger company that specializes in hiding money for other people.
	Every one of these companies, there's about five or six of them, I think, worldwide.
	And where are they located?
	These guys, I don't remember.
	They're in Cayman Islands or someplace.
	I'm not sure.
	Somebody in the chat room might know.
	But they're not in Panama.
	But they're one of these companies that specializes.
	And so every one of these companies have their own group of clients, which will always be different.
	Because the way I see it, somebody is hacking these guys one after the other, and it's going to happen once every year.
	So the next hack will be next year with another one of these companies.
	And And so the hack comes out, or the hack releases all these documents, and people plow through it, and one newspaper in particular leads the way of this German operation, and then the New York Times, the Guardian, these other guys get it as part of some sort of a deal.
	Mm.
	And they all plow through it, trying to figure out what's going on.
	And they've deconstructed.
	The Queen of England, for example, uses these people.
	Oh, surprise!
	And it shows how she hides money, and it shows how everybody hides money.
	But there's no...
	These guys are high-end lawyers.
	There's no illegality, so the story is kind of a fizzle.
	Which is kind of the same with the Panama Papers.
	It's not really a story there.
	It's just interesting.
	It's not like...
	It's scandalous.
	Well, it's scandalous and interesting.
	It's not illegal or anything like that, but it really makes you wonder why these guys have all these...
	They do deals with people they're not supposed to do deals with, so they run it through these operations, these fake companies that own each other.
	And so this is like a massive breach of bigger names, and you can look it up on...
	Look up Paradise Papers in the Wikipedia, and there's a number of the major players listed.
	And...
	I got nothing.
	There's nobody, none of the networks made a big deal out of it because half of them are doing it.
	It seems to be something that they just refer to now.
	Like, well, as we know from the Paradise Papers, the guy's rotten.
	You know, that's how it's kind of referred to.
	Yeah.
	I find it somewhat distressing that, I mean, the IRS makes such a big deal about, you know, middle class tax returns.
	Tell me about it.
	Meanwhile, they have this going on, and they have the scammers going on.
	They're just ripping off the public to the tune of billions of dollars by filing false returns, and then having their money sent to a credit card.
	The scam is quite interesting.
	You can go to Target and buy these blank credit cards, and then you load them up.
	You can charge it up with money.
	Yeah, you can charge it up with money and you just use that number so the IRS pays you directly for the false return.
	I'm surprised that these elites who are so incredibly smart don't see the store of value that Bitcoin clearly is.
	Yeah, you're like ABC now.
	You're just changing the topic.
	I just can't believe that they're not all buying Bitcoin.
	It's a great store of value, better than gold.
	Why aren't the smart people doing that?
	So anyway, that Paradise Papers, I've got nothing.
	There's no good stories.
	There's nothing I can clip.
	There's nothing to talk about except individuals.
	So what?
	Just calling back to the Weinstein thing, look for revelations from Handmaid's Tale, because that would be Hulu.
	Look for revelations from Orange is the New Black.
	What are the other big shows?
	Well, Handmaid's Tale, Orange is the New Black.
	Well, Handmaid's Tale wouldn't work because Hulu is owned by the television network, so they're not going to bite themselves in the foot, shoot themselves in the foot.
	Well, the television network, well, no, but if we were saying it's the Hollywood Studios.
	Right, it would be, yeah, okay.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, but I still think it's about the outlet.
	It has to be the perfect storm of video on demand and not a...
	That's Netflix and Amazon.
	So those are the two target companies.
	So who else do we have?
	The Transparent would be the other one.
	Transparent would be one.
	It's already happened.
	So I'd be looking at Orange is the New Black.
	The Goldbergs.
	Okay.
	Man in the High Castle.
	How about Game of Thrones?
	That hot show that's got the millennials.
	How about Game of Thrones?
	That's HBO, but that's a problem, isn't it?
	No, it's not.
	HBO's been around forever and this is not a problem.
	No, I'm thinking of that millennial show that's got some crazy name and everyone's raving about it as one of the main winners on Netflix.
	Oh, Stranger Things.
	Yes, Stranger Things.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Okay, eyes open.
	That's right, eyes open, troll room.
	Troll room, eyes open.
	Oh, great.
	I love it when we get a new theory.
	It's fantastic.
	This is something to do.
	We don't have enough theories.
	Let me throw this at you.
	This just came through.
	I haven't had a chance to watch the whole half hour.
	I just got a two-minute clip right off the top.
	Talking about your feminist and your crazy nut job.
	BBC Hard Talk had Kathy Griffin on.
	Yes, I saw that.
	First, let's talk about the hair.
	What about the hair?
	Did you see her hair?
	Yeah, I did.
	It's gone.
	Yeah, she cut her hair off.
	It looks horrible.
	It's kind of a clipped look.
	She actually looks older.
	She looks like an...
	I don't know what...
	She doesn't look right.
	She looks like after they shaved the girls' heads if they were Nazi collaborators after Second World War.
	That's what she looks like.
	I'm sorry to use that metaphor.
	With more makeup.
	With more makeup.
	I just wanted to play this just to hear how incredibly insane she is.
	Remember, nothing would have happened to her.
	Nothing would have happened to her job.
	Nothing would have happened if she hadn't done this.
	So ultimately, it's up to her that things happen.
	And you take a risk as a public person, no matter what you do.
	But no, Trump.
	Kathy Griffin, welcome to Hansel.
	Hi, Steve.
	Hi.
	Your stand-up show, which you're currently taking around the world, it's funny and it's frank.
	But to many people it is also shocking and to some it's offensive.
	And I wonder whether you carefully calculate how to offend.
	I do.
	I'm an expert at offending people.
	I've offended you just in the makeup room alone.
	Because first of all, I can't believe someone married you.
	What is this?
	She's an asshole.
	Not funny.
	I'm not quite sure why that's funny.
	She talks like she's coked up.
	Thank you.
	Yes, good point.
	Good luck to her.
	Anyway, when I took that photo, one of the things that struck me was that people actually were saying that it was a severed head.
	So what I like to talk about in my act is I make a joke of it, like as if I went to the severed head store.
	Oh, that is hilarious.
	It doesn't exist.
	So the outrage...
	It doesn't exist?
	I'm disappointed.
	Who knew?
	It doesn't exist.
	So the outrage is faux, in my opinion.
	What is this faux?
	Since when do we use faux instead of fake?
	Pho.
	What is that?
	I don't know.
	It's funny that you noticed it because, yeah, you're right.
	People are using pho all the time.
	Even though I think it's a reference because everyone likes pho or pho, which is the Vietnamese pho.
	Pho is the right pronunciation.
	Soup with noodles.
	Yeah.
	Noodle soup pho.
	I think it's called pho.
	Actually, there was a recent...
	I'll tell you how it's pronounced pho.
	Really?
	And I'll say that because there was a recent show on the Food Network and they had this Vietnamese guy own one of the top restaurants and he says you pronounce it pho.
	Okay.
	You can pronounce it pho.
	Pho.
	No, it's pho.
	It's pho.
	I have a gif of some pho.
	Right here.
	Alright, so she's rude, and she's not funny, and then she's going to go off on him.
	Is faux, in my opinion.
	And I am, you know, I don't have one single day of paid work ahead of me in my own country.
	In your own country, no less.
	And I'm a workhorse.
	Because of the reaction, you mean.
	Because of the reaction.
	Well, let's get to that in a minute, but let's not start with the reaction.
	Let's start with the action.
	I thought I was the guest, but really.
	I said I was the guest.
	What is that?
	If someone had said that to me, I'd be like...
	No way.
	Play that back again.
	I'd miss that.
	Yeah.
	So he interrupts her incredibly interesting story.
	Let's not start with the reaction.
	Let's start with the action.
	I thought I was the guest, but really, let's do this your way.
	Don't mansplain to me.
	Don't you mansplain.
	Don't you mansplain to me.
	Come on.
	She's ill.
	I mean, mansplaining, sure it's a thing.
	That was not mansplaining.
	You're in a faux environment, lady.
	Well, she obviously is unfamiliar with this show, too.
	But she's in a faux environment, namely a television studio, which is meant to look like, you know, a swanky space station type thing with monitors.
	You're in a faux world, girl.
	And now he's mansplaining because he wants to run the interview the way he wants to run it.
	You're a guest.
	And you're a guest to promote yourself.
	I thought I was the guest, but really, let's do this your way.
	Let's start with the action of choosing to go into the photographer's studio with that mask and that ketchup.
	Let me just stop you and say one thing I will say that's difficult.
	The photographer, Tyler Shields, has the copyright.
	And I have no say in the copyright.
	And so I just have to say, because I trusted him, I kind of got screwed.
	Blaming the photographer now.
	Okay, anyone but your fault, Kathy.
	Have you met Hillary?
	That he can make however much money from that image, which will sort of stand with me forever.
	So there's that.
	It will.
	I mean, that is the truth.
	Everywhere I go.
	And your biography and, frankly, your epitaph will probably be about the moment you decided to stand with Donald Trump.
	Yes, people at airports want me to do that pose with their head, and I say I can't.
	So, you know...
	That's where you should be making your money, Kathy.
	You should carry around a bottle of ketchup.
	That is a great idea.
	Yeah, I mean, you could make millions doing that.
	Holding on to their head, a little ketchup around the throat.
	Yeah, charge money for it.
	Photoshop your body out, that'd be fantastic.
	With that pose with their head, and I say, I can't.
	By the way, that's bullcrap.
	He has a copyright.
	He's got a photographer's copyright.
	She has a right to her persona.
	She can do whatever she wants in that regard.
	She can't sell his photo.
	That's what she's talking about.
	She's not getting cut in.
	She's not getting cut in.
	That's her problem.
	She should have known better.
	She's been in the business forever.
	She should know how this works.
	I know how it works.
	I don't do this.
	You know, it's like when I went to the musical in Holland.
	And there was only one way to get in.
	In fact, I walked behind the photographers because I didn't want to walk on the faux red carpet where everyone's taking your picture.
	I didn't want to do it.
	I get corralled.
	For the military.
	So I do it.
	And then all these guys, they're not taking pictures of me with the backdrop that promotes the musical.
	No, they're taking close-ups.
	Say, you're assholes.
	And I walk off.
	You're just going to make money off of my close-up.
	And they're all going to be crap.
	It's true.
	They do make money.
	So if I take pictures of you, and I can put up a website and say, you need a picture of Adam for a news story, you can buy it from me for $15 one-time use.
	You can get more for it if it's a nutty one.
	Yeah.
	Well, you can get anything you want.
	You can get $200, $300.
	It depends on who you're selling it to.
	But the guy whose picture it is, he doesn't get anything.
	Sorry about this, but apparently she shaved her head for her sister who died of cancer.
	So another swing and a miss.
	Sorry.
	Okay, well, that'd be thematic.
	It's fine.
	Yes, people at airports want me to do that pose with their head, and I say I can't.
	So, you know, as I posed the question in the introduction, what were you thinking at that time?
	You must have known that you were crossing a line here.
	Yes, of course.
	That's a comedian's job.
	That's what we do.
	Is that a comedian's job?
	John, you happen to know a lot about comedians.
	A comedian's job.
	I don't know what a comedian's job is.
	To make you laugh?
	Yeah, a comedian's job is to make the audience laugh.
	Now, I want to go back to...
	Whose idea was it to take this picture of her holding out the head?
	I'm sure it was her idea.
	Was it the photographer's?
	No, I'm sure it was her idea.
	I'm sure it was.
	Well, then it's her intellectual property.
	It's his photograph.
	Oh, you're still on that.
	And being that it's her intellectual property, she can do the airport poses.
	She just doesn't want to do them.
	No, but she could make a bundle.
	Of course.
	That's a comedian's job.
	That's what we do.
	I feel if you don't cross the line, well, I like to move it and then cross it.
	Then what are we doing?
	What am I going to do?
	Jokes about the differences between puppies and kittens?
	I mean, there's never been a president like this in history.
	There's never been a president who deserved to be shamed so much.
	Please refer to the show notes for the rest of this interview.
	She's off the rails.
	Sad, really.
	She's a victim.
	She's a victim.
	She's toxic now.
	No one will touch her.
	Or touch her.
	That's bullcrap.
	She's going to come back and do a big tour and is going to be filled with all these Taylor Swift haters.
	They're all going to go see her and it's going to be almost an all-female audience and she's going to make a shitload of money.
	That's my side of the prediction.
	Could be.
	Could be.
	So the other thing that's kind of...
	Oh, I've got just a little entremont here.
	I want you to list...
	This was Kramer, Jim Kramer, in California talking to Mark Benioff, who we both know.
	He's from Salesforce.
	He's the guy, CEO of Salesforce.
	He's a billionaire now.
	He's unbelievably rich.
	I don't think I can recognize him anymore.
	He's kind of Bulked out, let's say.
	It's kind of nondescript, actually.
	But he did have something to say that's interesting in regards to our show, things in general.
	I've never heard this.
	It reminds me of Scott McNeely saying privacy is dead, which he was probably true about in some ways, even though it's something you're supposed to fight.
	Who was Scott McNeely?
	He's a grandson, Microsystems, and he said, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So let's try, let's listen to this and tell me if you, I want to discuss what you think of this.
	That's what Marriott is doing also.
	They realize loyalty is dead.
	They want to have this huge community of hundreds of millions of consumers map out where they are on their journeys and get all those consumers into those Marriott hotels, walk in, have a great experience, have your key right on your phone, and welcome back to Marriott.
	That's a customer experience.
	That doesn't sound like just a loyalty program.
	Loyalty is dead.
	Loyalty is dead.
	Keep that thought.
	Because it's all about your community.
	Isn't that how you buy anyway from your friends?
	Yes.
	Don't you want to join a community and be part of a community?
	When I think about community, I think about strategic partners.
	I think about large companies that have figured this out.
	I'm thinking about a new strategic partnership that you're going to announce today.
	Who is it?
	Well, you're going to see us do amazing new things with Google.
	He goes on after that, talking about amazing new things, amazing new things here and there.
	I mean, this is a typical Silicon Valley guy.
	Right?
	Now, Kramer couldn't keep a straight face when he said loyalty is dead, which is his basic thesis.
	And that doesn't surprise me because it kind of flies in the face of everything.
	But the more I thought about it, you know, he said loyalty is dead and community is what we're going to take over.
	I concur.
	I concur.
	I do too.
	Because if you look at our community, and we've called it a community...
	It is a community.
	And they call themselves a community.
	Just look at what's going on in Michigan, local number one.
	Yeah, the meetups.
	Yeah, they had meetups all the time.
	They had canceled one recently.
	And what's great about it is when you say community, which is really a community of interest...
	It can be anybody.
	We run the gamut of people.
	Locations, race, genders, everything.
	Which I think, by the way, is more typical.
	Which is a community by definition.
	It's not all a bunch of the same people that all look like each other.
	It's a variety of people that live in that same town.
	And our group, I think, is closest to a genuine community because we have every age group.
	We've got kids.
	We've got little kids.
	We've got old people.
	We have military.
	We have police.
	It's unbelievable.
	Teachers?
	Teachers, yeah, lawyers, everything.
	We should have a love-in.
	We shouldn't have a love-in, that's what I see it.
	Now, so I'm thinking about this in so far as, what does it mean for everything?
	Because maybe loyalty was always weak, and these loyalty programs were all a gimmick.
	Because I tell you the truth, when I was like even renting cars, I used to be a And here's what happened.
	So the Emerald Club was a great deal and it had all these perks and it was fantastic.
	You said it right there.
	Great deal is about the money.
	It's not about the loyalty.
	It's about the money.
	In fact, it was always about the deal because when they changed ownership, they killed a lot of my old coupons and the whole thing was like weak.
	Now I never very rarely rent from them.
	So the loyalty thing tends to be, yeah, you keep offering a lot of good deals.
	And I think that may be true with Amazon.
	What do you mean?
	Well, Amazon really keeps you hooked because they got the outrageously good deal on shipping, free shipping, so that doesn't catch you.
	That's the number one reason.
	It's complete ease of use.
	Well, I think it's one of many reasons, but it is the number one reason.
	I think there's no taxes in many cases, although it's hard to pull off in places like California, but there's a lot of stuff I buy on Amazon I'm not paying tax on.
	Yeah.
	And overnight delivery, unbelievable selection, it's all these benefits.
	But if somebody else came along with a better deal...
	Yeah, we'd all rush right over there.
	I think so.
	I think it's also availability of product.
	I think that I keep reading that Amazon is kicking Google's ass in search.
	I'm like, what do you mean?
	And when you go look at the details, it's product search.
	People go to Amazon more often and just type in whatever product they want.
	I find myself doing that.
	I do that all the time.
	I mean, it makes so much sense.
	Well, yeah, good point.
	I think loyalty is dead.
	I mean, if it ever existed...
	Loyalty to your own pocketbook, for sure.
	But the power of a community, that's what's...
	I mean, look at our 10th anniversary.
	Look at the community that came together.
	And compare it to today, for example.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C., who can't believe today's spreadsheet, Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	In the morning to all ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	Yes, and in the morning to Mike Riley, who brought us the artwork for episode 9 or 7 niner.
	That is Donna Gate.
	He did kind of the Carmen Sandiego logo with San Diego and with poop in the letters.
	That was very funny.
	We thought that was an outstanding piece of work.
	And I'd like to thank all of our artists who always willfully, willfully upload before the show is even over often to NoAgendaArtGenerator.com.
	And I also want to say in the morning to the Troll Room, our house of trolls doing a good job today.
	NoAgendaStream.com to listen live and join the trolls.
	Well, we have two executive producers and two associate executive producers.
	This is more what we've been going through the whole year that was bumped up for a few shows.
	Yep.
	So let's thank these folks.
	We do have a few notes to read that are still make goods.
	We're going to be doing these errors.
	You put error in the box.
	And...
	Anonymous came in from a PopMail account, 56179.
	I went and looked him up.
	He had an email thing.
	He just wanted to say, he wants to thank us for doing the show.
	And I don't have a note in front of me.
	There's not much to it except his knighting.
	He's got a knighting coming up and he'll be knighted.
	He's on the list.
	Let me see what his name is going to be.
	We have Sir Fromagear.
	I think that's it.
	No, Fromgar.
	F-O-R. Fromgar.
	Fromgar.
	Sir Fromgar.
	Okay, good.
	Good.
	On the list.
	And he came in 561.79.
	The Ludger A. Rinsch.
	Rinsch.
	In Berlin, Deutschland.
	Is it you think it's pronounced Rinsch?
	Hallo Deutschland!
	Wie geht's?
	33333 for my 33rd birthday.
	I don't know if he's on the list.
	You might as well check.
	I will.
	I'd like to make a gift to myself by donating to the best podcast in the universe.
	Thanks for many years of infotainment.
	I love it that you have so many.
	I love that you have many stories months before the mainstream.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yes.
	We're from the future.
	That's what we do.
	But sometimes you could double check or at least check your sources.
	For example, this EU reduces age of consent story was completely bogative.
	Yeah, we got called out on that, didn't we?
	I thought we mentioned that on the show.
	I don't know that we did.
	It was age of consent for posting online.
	It wasn't age of consent for having sex.
	Oh yeah, we did blow that one up.
	That was wrong.
	It was funny.
	But it's not like we don't check our sources.
	And by the way, a lot of our sources are people like you.
	Yes, so we need to report for Berlin immediately.
	Yes.
	Come on, Berlin.
	Deutschland.
	And I said, again, Berlin Station, good show.
	But everyone should watch it from the beginning.
	Now, this is an interesting part of his note.
	Adam, I thought it was hilarious when everyone but you saw your divorce coming.
	Did you see it coming, John?
	Why didn't you warn me?
	No, you actually warned me before I even got married.
	What am I saying?
	That said, I now need my own divorce karma.
	We saw it coming, Lutger.
	If it works, I will complete my knighthood when the papers are signed.
	Okay.
	Hey, Lutger.
	Oh, man.
	Sorry about that.
	That sucks.
	Jingle request, karma, de-douching, little girl, yay, and a big dose of fuck cancer karma for my uncle.
	Yeah, okay.
	We can do that for you.
	You've been de-douched.
	Yay!
	Stop it!
	You've got karma.
	Karma.
	Done.
	Sarah, what did I say that you said?
	I wasn't warning you or anything.
	Yeah, you did.
	What did I say?
	You said never marry an actress.
	Oh, never marry an actress.
	Or an artist.
	That's what you said.
	Yeah, I've said that before, but I think I said it specifically again to remind you, probably for that reason.
	But yeah, the artist thing, yeah, I'd say both.
	Never marry an actress or an artist.
	And for women, never marry a musician or an actor.
	That's right.
	Actor or musician.
	I mean, some people can make it work, but it's a long shot.
	Sarah Lobach in LaSalle, Ontario, Canada, 252.78.
	The problem with some of these actresses, they're so pretty.
	ITA, first time donation, so we'll need a de-douching, please.
	This should equate to $333 in Canadian dollarettes.
	We'll give her an executive producer.
	This donation is a birthday gift for my fiancé, Landon Dalyan, whose birthday was on the 8th.
	He hit me in the mouth a couple of years ago.
	Did you, by the way, check and see if Ludger's on the birthday list?
	Double checking.
	I thought I did.
	Yeah, Ludger's on there.
	Hit me in the mouth a couple of years ago.
	We've been avid listeners ever since.
	Thank you both for the twice-weekly doth of sanity and your always-honest deconstruction of the BS pushed out on the masses by the M5M. Crazy times.
	Is that a road in England, the M5M? Crazy times, if possible.
	Please play Obama.
	You might die and sucking in soot.
	Soot.
	And a de-douching to kick it off.
	You've been de-douched.
	You might die.
	You might die.
	Sucking in soot.
	You might die.
	Sucking in soot.
	Don't worry. - Okay.
	Be happy.
	Don't worry.
	Be happy.
	Be happy.
	Francois Carstens, Parts Unknown, USA, $200.
	First off, Google says JCD's website has been hacked.
	Looks like a scam to get John to use webmaster tools.
	We've talked about this on the show before.
	Mark Perkel is suing Google.
	I realize John is not the type to fall for such an obvious scam, so I clicked on it anyway and nothing happened, meaning he didn't get any warnings.
	On a serious note, after completing the seven plus hours of No Agenda's decoversary, I was compelled to step up and do my part.
	So here's my humble submission to keeping the show alive.
	Thanks for the years of great media deconstruction, mental health advice, and solid entertainment.
	Here's to the greatest podcasts in the multiverse.
	May the awards never stop coming.
	No jingles.
	A harmonica solo from John and Adam's smoothest voice.
	Radio voice is all I need.
	Okay, I'll do the voice and I'll cue you.
	You got your harmonica?
	Okay, ready?
	Alright, here we go.
	And now on WLTAW. No, wait!
	I'm going to cue you!
	Oh, I thought that was the cue.
	No!
	Okay, go.
	And now on WLTW Light FM 91.1, it's time for the musical stylings of John Charles Dvorak.
	That's John Charles Dvorak here on Light FM.
	Kenny G after the break.
	you Thank you.
	I mean, come on.
	What else are you going to do?
	That's it, by the way.
	That concludes our moment of executive associate executive producers, which is...
	Well, so we do have three execs, since there was some dollaretts involved.
	So three execs, one associate executive producer.
	I'll take that as a good count and appreciate it.
	Thank you very much.
	We've got some nightings coming up as well and some title changes.
	And we'll be thanking more people later in our second segment, people of $50 and above.
	And this is your show.
	We appreciate everything you do to produce it, including the finances.
	And remember us for our show on Sunday at You've got some new material to work on.
	Go out there, propagate the formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Shut up, slave.
	Squirrel.
	Shut up, slave.
	Before we continue, I do want to read a couple of the error messages.
	Yes, good idea.
	So let's start with the Sable C. I neglected to mention my movie review podcast, an excellent podcast.
	What's an excellent blog product.
	What's this movie really about at what's thismoviereallyabout.com.
	Also, Brother Mike of The Railway made a significant donation after I called him out as a douchebag.
	Please de-douche him.
	You've been de-douched.
	De-douching complete.
	Personally, do not consider either one of those items to be an error, but okay.
	Then I've got...
	Ah, yes.
	It was more like, you didn't read my note.
	Well, I got to read it.
	You didn't read your note thing, which will be interesting.
	He did say it's $500, and this is Ken Price.
	Below is my receipt for incident.
	One thing I did learn from my young and crazy ex-girlfriend was how to coupon.
	So I simply couldn't pass up a super deal like this.
	Oh.
	Lately, the show has been a real respite for me as I'm going through a lonely and tough time.
	See ex-girlfriend comment.
	Oh.
	Also, a special shout-out to Kevin in Carrollton, Texas, for introducing me to No Agenda.
	I was dedouched a few months ago with a small $50 donation.
	He encouraged me to get this knighthood, though I think he's secretly pissed I got a better deal.
	It's okay, Kevin.
	I'll cover the airfare for your next visit.
	Okay.
	I'm really struggling on my...
	This is a different one.
	Okay, so that I think will cover Ken.
	Sir Ken.
	Sir Kevin.
	Ken.
	I'll get some more of these after the next break.
	Hey, you know what?
	I'm feeling like a trip in the alternate universe transition machine.
	Oh, well, that'll please my daughter, Jay.
	Are you ready?
	Hold on, everybody.
	We're going into the alternate universe.
	It can hurt.
	Oh, it's going to be only America first.
	America first.
	America first.
	We choose love.
	Fuck you.
	Woo!
	Woo!
	There, Sparky.
	Hey.
	Sparky always...
	Oh.
	Hold on.
	I just gotta look at the ground for a second.
	It makes me nauseous, that machine.
	Let me get a drink of water.
	That doesn't bother you?
	You don't get nauseous from traveling?
	I never get nauseous, and I don't really necessarily get altitude sickness, so I think it's probably part of the same function.
	Well, I don't get altitude sickness, but man, the transition really hurts.
	All right, we are now on the alternative.
	Yeah, we're here, but why?
	Tonight, thousands of peoples and cities across the country will scream helplessly at the sky one year after the election of President Donald Trump.
	The events are being planned on Facebook in Dallas, Boston, New York, Miami, Philly, Austin, and Washington State.
	In the details section, it reads, quote, Rage, rage against the dying of the light marked the one-year anniversary of the so-called election of the so-called president by joining the national primal scream.
	Howl at the sky, gnash your teeth, bang your drums, and it goes on from there.
	The Dallas event starts at 6 tonight on the Continental Avenue Pedestrian Bridge.
	It is the Facebook page itself, Warrens.
	It will be 48 degrees and rainy outside.
	Matt, yours for CBS 11 News.
	Well, that's our local news, and here it is.
	Now, wait for wait for it.
	We've got some real big mouths in the crowd.
	There it is.
	Now do you see why we're here?
	Yeah, I guess.
	Well, I didn't even know this was going on.
	I think I would have heard some, where I'm located in the normal dimension, I think I would have heard some voices.
	I didn't hear anybody yelling and screaming.
	It doesn't carry over, only if you're a dog.
	It doesn't carry over with people.
	That's rude, but it was disturbing.
	Were they screaming in Austin?
	Yeah, everywhere.
	Austin, Dallas, Houston.
	Yeah.
	Of all places, Texas?
	Yeah.
	Well, we're pretty blue here.
	You look at Dallas and Houston and Austin, there's Democrats.
	A lot of Democrats.
	And so they're screaming in the sky.
	This is another one of those things organized so you can meet girls.
	Yeah, did you see that Saturday Night Live skit?
	No.
	Called Girl at a Bar?
	No.
	Oh, so the girl is sitting at the bar, and guy after guy comes in.
	One guy's got a pussy hat on.
	The other guy's got, you know, like, I'm with her t-shirt.
	And, you know, it strikes up a conversation, and then he says, hey, you want to go home and make out?
	And she says, no, it's a bitch!
	Horrible bitch!
	It just keeps on going like that, like all these guys that are there just to scam dates.
	Yeah, that's what it is.
	Which makes sense.
	That guy yelling at the top of his lungs in there was definitely trying to get attention.
	And you can go and you can also look and see what kind of screamers are there, the women-wise.
	Because, you know, if somebody is one of those unbelievably screwy ones, the ones that seem insane, you know you don't have to go up to them.
	It's a good place for market research, is what I'm hearing.
	Yeah.
	He's like, okay, you're not on the list?
	Oh my goodness.
	Well, let's get out of here.
	That's all I had.
	Are you ready?
	Oh, okay.
	From this day forward, it's going to be only America first!
	America first.
	This is the dog here.
	Came from the alternate universe.
	Back.
	At least the dog got back.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So Well, the Democrats didn't make a...
	A lot of people are making a bigger deal about it than others.
	But CBS had a very good report.
	They had an election like yesterday.
	Can I ask you a question?
	This was a gubernatorial election.
	It was state elections in certain states.
	I have a linguistic question.
	Why is it the governor of the state, but yet it's the gubernatorial Election.
	I don't know.
	Why does the V convert to a B? There's a joke in there somewhere and I cannot come up with the life of me.
	It wasn't meant as a joke.
	I'm just trying to figure it out.
	But there is a joke in there.
	I never understood that.
	Well.
	You could say gubernatorial.
	Somebody will do a phrase from the Shays.
	We'll go into the gubernatorial discussion.
	Okay.
	The Democrats definitely have made a hay with their identity politics.
	Oh yeah.
	Because their claim to fame on all their people that they elected were just I would say diverse group.
	This is Diversity in Democrat elections.
	To the Capitol.
	Thank you, Nancy.
	Across the country, the 2017 election saw big wins for a highly diverse group of candidates.
	Chip Reid introduces us.
	Chris Hurst was a TV news anchor in Southwest Virginia two years ago when his reporter girlfriend was fatally shot by a former station employee during an outdoor live broadcast.
	The grieving Hurst decided to run for the Virginia House of Delegates as a Democrat in a Republican area and won.
	I think she would, of course, be incredibly proud.
	I also think that she would immediately be bending my ear to make sure that I fulfill on the promise that I don't just...
	I talk the talk, that I walk the walk too.
	Democrat Danica Rome made history in Virginia by winning a seat in the House of Delegates.
	She will be the state's first openly transgender lawmaker.
	She defeated a conservative Republican who sponsored a bill to dictate which bathroom transgender people can use.
	It's okay to be you.
	And in the words of St.
	Francis of Sales, be who you are and be that well.
	Democrats Hala Ayala and Elizabeth Guzman will be the Virginia House of Delegates' first Latina members, while Kathy Tran, a former refugee from Vietnam, will be its first Asian American.
	Did they have any cripples?
	Anything like that?
	And it's not just Virginia.
	Diverse Democrats were elected across the nation.
	Wavinder Bala is a Sikh and won the race for mayor in Hoboken, New Jersey, despite racist flyers that said, don't let terrorism take over our town.
	Democrat Jenny Durkan will be Seattle's first lesbian mayor.
	And can I just say to Donald Trump, keep your hands off Seattle.
	Wilmot Collins came to Helena, Montana 23 years ago as a refugee from Liberia.
	It's believed he will be the first black mayor in Montana history.
	Andrea Jenkins, winner of a seat on the Minneapolis City Council, will be the first openly transgender black woman officeholder in the nation.
	This is dynamite!
	Hold on a second.
	I am giving you a clip of the day for this.
	I had no idea it was that.
	That diverse.
	The diverse Dems.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Wow, wow, wow.
	That's really great.
	But I'm so happy.
	I'm sure these people will be fine.
	Well, you know, we'll see.
	I too caught the...
	Just because somebody's diverse.
	Well, you don't.
	It doesn't mean they're any good, by the way.
	But the Democrats will try to make it seem so.
	Well, we don't know.
	But from the report, we only heard their qualifications in diversity, not in ideas, legislation, or governing, guberning, or any of the like.
	I did also catch that Chris Hurst guy, and I went back.
	Well, first let me play the report I have.
	When I met you, you were dealing with the worst thing that you'd ever imagined happened to you.
	What did that moment do to you in terms of changing you and putting you on this path?
	I remember very vividly when I met you.
	I met you outside of our television station the day after Allison was killed.
	I told people since, and I'll tell you and your viewers now, that Allison and Adam Ward's death connected me to humanity more than anything else.
	Through tragedy, I had a shared experience and a common bond with so many people who have gone through tragedy, who have gone through loss.
	And now, unfortunately, as we have seen in recent events, have also gone through the tragedy and horror of losing a loved one through gun violence.
	But it connected me.
	To my community.
	It galvanized me to my community.
	Only through fire can that steel be forged stronger.
	And it made me want to stay in no place other than in Southwest Virginia and Appalachia.
	But I couldn't stay at the station anymore.
	It became too emotionally difficult for me to stay there.
	And so what could I do that would be a natural progression to be able to give back to a community, to a people that gave me so much strength, love, prayer, and support when I needed it.
	And this seemed like the right thing to do.
	Now, I remembered that when we covered this story, there was a lot going on.
	There was a lot of issues with the official story.
	And with this guy in particular, if he really had a relationship, he was really going to marry her.
	And I don't want to speak ill of the dead, or not dead, or whatever.
	But I just remember this guy was very, very strange.
	And it is, I looked at the date, August 27th is when we had these previous clips.
	It's almost a year to date, a little bit longer.
	Let's just go back and listen to two quick clips from Chris Hurst after his girlfriend Allison Parker was killed live on camera.
	They reported and investigated and once you answer that question then that kind of guides you as to whether or not you really think that something should be done by our government.
	How are you doing?
	I mean, I woke up this morning and I was staring at the hotel ceiling wishing that I could return this contract that I signed, that she was going to be here with me, that we were going to have our life together, and that this wasn't going to be the most traumatic five months of my entire life.
	But I feel a duty to honor her with action.
	And right now, I'm a storyteller, and the only thing I can do is share the love that we had together.
	I don't know, man.
	I remember that whole contract thing.
	And then he says, I didn't know this would be the worst five months.
	Wait, I thought that it was five months of bliss.
	It was very weird.
	Do you remember this?
	Yeah, what was his worst five months?
	This wasn't recorded five months after the shooting.
	No, I think that, well, maybe the second clip.
	Do you remember he had a book, like a scrapbook, and he was proving that they had a relationship?
	Yeah, he was, well...
	Even when I saw him with his latest win, I think he's...
	MKUltra.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Just say it, MKUltra.
	I don't want to make this a theme of this show, but he looks like a closeted gay to me.
	Oh, no, he's definitely gay.
	In fact, didn't he...
	I don't think he's come out.
	No, every story...
	Hello?
	Every single story...
	Yeah, let's just take a look.
	I'm just going to do a book of knowledge.
	So, Chris...
	Chris...
	What's his name?
	Hurst?
	Yeah.
	Hurst Gay.
	All right.
	Go, Google.
	Isn't it Hurst or something like that?
	H-U-R-S-T. I thought it was being touted as a gay man.
	No, if that was true, then they would have pushed that in that CBS clip of the diversity.
	Hmm.
	Although...
	I thought I saw some articles.
	I don't remember that.
	Well, let's just listen to him proving that they had a relationship.
	This is something that I have been showing people and am somewhat hesitant to show at the public, but she, I believe, would want our love to be shared because it was a love that was genuine and a love that I hope everybody else gets to experience at least once in their life.
	As young, foolish couples in love do, we celebrate not anniversaries, but monthiversaries.
	Monthiversaries.
	And for our six-month anniversary, she made me this photo album.
	Monthiversaries.
	Which says that all of these pictures are from my phone.
	And I don't really post on Facebook very much.
	We were not public on our professional Facebook pages or social media as being in a relationship together.
	It was something we talked about eventually doing, but we weren't there yet.
	I don't really post much to Facebook at all.
	But these are pictures from the first six months of our relationship, and she said it was my job to upload photos to Facebook and put pictures in here into this scrapbook for the next six months.
	Right.
	Well...
	Yeah, that was peculiar.
	The whole thing is rather odd.
	And now he's a congressman.
	One year later.
	I think that was the state.
	State legislative job.
	It's important?
	A state senator?
	State house job.
	Or state delegate, I think they call him.
	Okay.
	Anyway.
	Eyes on that guy.
	Yeah, I would say.
	I've always thought that was odd.
	I always thought that was odd, that guy.
	That guy needs to be watched.
	Put him on the list, Jean.
	Who's to be on a list?
	Put him on the list, I tell you.
	Very good, very good.
	You know who else should be on the list?
	Al Green.
	Gotta put that guy on the list.
	Oh, that guy's insane.
	Yeah, he got up again.
	Mr.
	Speaker, I rise because I love my country.
	Mr.
	Speaker, because I love my country...
	I rise to thank those who voted to reject bigotry Racism, xenophobia, ethnocentrism, sexism, hatred in all of its forms, Mr.
	Speaker.
	I rise to thank them for what they did when they voted to reject these things.
	And Mr.
	Speaker, because I love my country and because I cannot accept these things, Mr.
	Speaker, I refuse to accept Hatred.
	I refuse to acquiesce to any forms of bigotry.
	Mr.
	Speaker, because I rise to reject these things, I now announce that before Christmas, there will be a vote on the chief insider.
	Oh, there it is.
	My favorite word.
	The only word that you can't, that doesn't fit the First Amendment.
	If you incite violence with your words, that's right.
	Use it, man.
	On the chief insider of racism, bigotry, hatred, xenophobia, sexism, ethnocentrism, there will be a vote in the U.S. House of Representatives, Mr.
	Speaker, on the impeachment of the president.
	There's no real conflict.
	Dang.
	There you go.
	Well, that's assuming that, well, that's this year.
	Holy crap, this guy.
	Who is he representing anybody?
	Who does he represent?
	Well, it's a good question.
	Let's look it up.
	Let's check the book of knowledge.
	I think it's Jersey or someplace like that.
	Consult the book of knowledge!
	Alright, any word?
	I haven't gotten there yet.
	Al Green.
	Al Green.
	Not the singer.
	Good luck with that one.
	Well, no, I just put representative.
	Congressman Al Green.
	Um...
	Working for the people of the 9th District of Texas.
	Ah, I should have known.
	Told you.
	Told you.
	It's a blue state.
	If you actually got the Texans out to vote, they'd probably vote more Democratic.
	Well, it sounds like it.
	Anyone that would put this guy in office and keep him there, what's his district, I wonder?
	Where is it?
	Gotta be like, I don't know, let's find out.
	Our district.
	Map of the district.
	For information about the district, this is one of those gerrymandered districts that looks like some sort of a monster.
	It's around Sugar Land.
	It's outside of Pearl Land.
	Sugar Land.
	Sugar Land.
	I don't know where it is.
	I have no idea where this is.
	It's the middle of nowhere Texas.
	Which is pretty much Texas.
	Hey!
	Hey!
	Easy with us now.
	Okay, well let's move on since we're going through actual news today.
	Let's go.
	Oh, by the way, I want to play this little tidbit because this is a gem.
	It's not being discussed much in the tech media.
	It was just kind of mentioned in passing on Bloomberg.
	Okay.
	And I think it may actually be a trend that might be underway because, you know, there's net neutrality and all the rest of this stuff that is inviting the government to come in and fix things might result in this.
	Play the Bloomberg tidbit.
	Check it.
	And Congress continues to make the case for holding big tech more accountable.
	We're talking about the efforts to hold internet companies legally liable for the content on their platforms.
	Well, this is what we've always been talking about.
	It's section 709?
	Is that what it is?
	702?
	703?
	What's my number?
	This is what it's been about.
	We've talked about this.
	This will shut down Facebook.
	Yeah, and Twitter.
	And Twitter, Facebook, and the one if you're going to go after this stuff, I don't know for a fact that it's there, but the most vile of pornography is on Tumblr, owned by Yahoo.
	Yes.
	With Melissa Meyer running it.
	Melissa?
	Marissa.
	Marissa.
	I said Melissa.
	But hold on.
	Why are you shutting down my porn?
	But she's the one who brought it in.
	And Tumblr is going to...
	If you go in there, you're going to find kiddie porn.
	Oh.
	It's illegal to post it.
	It's illegal to have it.
	It's illegal to hold it.
	They're holding it.
	Yeah, but the way this is being done...
	I did read something.
	We didn't bring it up because of the 10th celebration.
	It's all being done through the Backpage case.
	To start off by saying, well, you are legally liable if there's human trafficking involved.
	So that's how they're going to start it.
	And I think they're going to fold.
	They're going to buckle.
	These guys, guys like Zuckerberg, I think their poop don't stink.
	Whatever, we're not worried about you.
	We're powerful.
	They'll probably go along with it to some degree and they'll get screwed.
	But yeah, it's going to shut it down.
	And good!
	Good.
	The question is, if I'm hosting, let's say, noagendasocial.com, will I be held liable?
	Yep.
	Well, then that has to end.
	It will.
	A lot of this stuff has to end.
	It's Section 203, by the way, of the Communications Decency Act.
	203, yeah.
	Here's the problem you're going to run into, which is...
	John, hold on.
	Let me just restate it for people who don't know, because we just assume that like all other tech horny shows, and that's not good.
	Section 203 was put in place very smartly, I believe.
	It said if you have a server where people are generating content on your server, you will be like a library.
	You will not be held liable for the content that you host in your library, which is also pretty important for libraries.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	And that's it.
	And that's a very, very smart thing to do.
	I think it really helped the internet grow.
	And now we see the unintended consequences.
	Unintended.
	It's human nature.
	There's not much you can do about it.
	About humans being evil and crappy.
	Well, one of my theses on all these things, it has to do with, and I think our theme for today may kind of represent this, when you came up with the producer's thesis that the One side of the show business is attacking the other side because they're causing trouble.
	They're making them lose money the way they see it.
	And they don't understand how money works, apparently, because they did the same thing with VHS tapes, which saved Hollywood.
	But that's beside the point.
	We have this instance.
	We have Traditional publishers not too happy with Facebook and Google in particular because they're stealing all the advertising dollars.
	They haven't stolen it at all, but they're stealing it.
	Are they stealing it?
	Well, they're taking it from us.
	It was ours.
	And they're using headlines.
	And they're stealing our headlines and they're leveraging us.
	Yep.
	And all the hard work we do.
	And I know this meeting is taking place all the time.
	Because that's the way they see it.
	They see it.
	They're leveraging it.
	They're stealing our headlines.
	They're stealing our stories.
	And then they're making money.
	And they're stealing our advertising.
	Bastards?
	So the big media, big media, that includes the television people.
	Even though they're kind of halfway in, you know, their foot's in both camps.
	But They're not going to be, oh, leave Facebook alone.
	It's so important.
	Leave Google and Twitter alone.
	Because, you know, you can't go after them because they're so important to society.
	Nobody sees it that way.
	They see it as if they're just stealing money.
	And they're not even doing it.
	And here's the joke of it.
	I'm at Facebook.
	I'm stealing money left and right.
	Yeah.
	And I'm not putting any work into it.
	It's all algos and bots and a couple of salespeople.
	Maybe there's hundreds of them, but it's beside the point.
	I'm not doing the kind of work they do at a newspaper where you have editors and control and you have to know what they're doing and good writing and all this extra work you have to do to make sure that you're not doing anything, you know, that's not right.
	They don't care.
	You want to publish fake news?
	Yeah, hooray.
	The fake news thing, the way I see it, is leverage.
	It's a shoehorn.
	Look at what they did.
	And now they're going after the Russians and the money and the collusion.
	The Russians and the money and the Saudis and the money and all this corruption and the money.
	About the Saudis for a second.
	Yeah, so I'm going to go into that.
	Yeah, I'd like to talk about that right now.
	And we can talk later.
	There's actually a conspiracy theory which ties the Saudi thing into the Vegas massacre in an interesting way.
	Haven't heard that one.
	Yeah, no, you'll like it.
	You'll like it.
	But I got an email from one of our producers who wants to be anonymous.
	He says, the Saudi Aramco, this is part of my thesis, that a lot of things are taking place, and Trump was over there, and he said, hey, you want to list on the right exchange, probably New York Stock Exchange, you've got to clean up your stuff, whatever's going on.
	And then all of a sudden we have this cleanup.
	We also have to remember that The third in line when the king was still alive, his helicopter crashed.
	Boy, it's nasty when that happens, which seems like, to me, an assassination.
	But our producer said, it's going to take a year at least.
	He says the books are a mess.
	Apparently he has the inside knowledge, and I can't tell you why, but yes, I think he does.
	He says the books are a mess.
	It would make sense.
	Yeah, it's completely like napkins.
	It's a It's a multi-billion dollar monster company and they have had no controls over the years.
	There's no books.
	Precisely.
	The books aren't a mess.
	There's no books.
	There's no books.
	That's why they brought Goldman Sachs and all these hot shots.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	So they're cooking up some books and they will list.
	Cooking up books.
	This is not cooking the books.
	Cooking up.
	Yeah.
	From scratch.
	It's their own recipe.
	MacArthur's Park.
	Yeah.
	And if you know Goldman Sachs is going to be involved, they're good at this.
	Yep.
	Because this promises to be the biggest IPO in the history of the world.
	Now, do you want me to tell you about the Vegas Conspiracy, or do you want to talk about what's going on?
	Well, let's do the, I think we should talk about what's going on first, and then it'll lead into the Vegas Conspiracy.
	I got three clips.
	I have, I have, let's do the, one of the, I have actually maybe four, let's see if there's a fourth.
	TSA Inspection.
	You got Solomon.
	You got...
	Yeah, what do you got?
	Okay, well, let's start with...
	This is a...
	I guess Judy was on vacation, so they put this guy, the Asian guy reading from the prompter.
	He's terrible.
	He's a flubber.
	But it's a good background.
	This is Al Solomon on PBS with the flubber.
	The flubber my story.
	It was a momentous weekend in the Middle East.
	In Saudi Arabia today, the government announced it would hold trials for 11 princes accused of corruption.
	The arrests were part of an unprecedented crackdown in just one of many aggressive moves made by the young Saudi crown prince in the last few days.
	And that turmoil sent oil prices to a two-year high.
	President Trump, traveling in Asia, took to Twitter moments ago, expressing great confidence in King Salman and the Crown Prince, saying they know exactly what they're doing.
	Here's special correspondent Nick Schifrin.
	In the name of fighting corruption, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is stamping out opposition and cementing his rule.
	The 32-year-old ordered the arrests of more than a dozen, including Prince Awalid bin Talal, a billionaire who has major investments in Citigroup, Twitter, and Apple, and Prince Muta'eb bin Abdullah, the former National Guard chief and most obvious rival.
	It's not the first house of Saad shakeup, but it's the most rapid.
	And it centralizes Mohammed bin Salman's power over the military and security services that began earlier this year, when he replaced Mohammed bin Nayef, the former heir to the throne.
	State TV announced the arrests and accused the princes of embezzlement and stealing public money.
	That was a message to a Saudi population that's sick of ostentatious royal wealth and eager for reform.
	That reform is what Mohammed bin Salman is selling as state-owned oil company Aramco plans to go public and diversify.
	Mohammed bin Salman, who's known as MBS, has vowed to modernize and fight extremism.
	Right.
	Yeah, this will fit nicely into the theory.
	Okay.
	And so there's one little group of details.
	I want to play one little group of details that came up in the report as they continued going on and on about it.
	And then I want to play the CNBC analysis, which is a little longer.
	Mm-hmm.
	It's interesting they have better guests because it's about the stocks.
	This is going to affect your client book.
	But let's just play the Saudi and Middle East details part.
	For two years, a Saudi-led coalition has targeted Iranian allies, the Houthis.
	The war has caused the world's worst humanitarian crisis.
	And this weekend, Saudi announced a total blockade.
	That was in response to the Houthis launching a ballistic missile at Saudi Arabia.
	A Saudi military spokesman said it intercepted the missile and blamed Iran.
	The coalition has ample evidence to prove that Iran is providing weapons to the Houthi armed group.
	Saudi's anti-Iran policy extends to Lebanon.
	Prime Minister Sa'ad Hariri has led a fragile alliance with Iranian-backed Hezbollah.
	And this weekend, Hariri visited Saudi Arabia and appeared on Saudi-owned TV to resign and blame Iran.
	Wherever Iran is present, it plants discord and destruction attested to by its interference in Arab countries.
	The war and the war.
	Throughout this process, President Trump has lent support, and the Saudi leaders who embraced him have been emboldened.
	All of this means today might be the most volatile moment for Saudi Arabia in more than half a century.
	Okay.
	Now, I find this is like a setup to get Saudi Arabia and Iran to go to war, which they would like to do, I believe.
	Could be, yeah.
	I need a buff button.
	They would gladly do it, I believe, if we supported one side, which would be Saudi Arabia, or the other.
	And we would.
	Now, but in a more reasonable tone, CNBC, I think, actually probably did a little better job of giving us some insight into what might be going on, considering that if this guy doesn't get killed, this 32-year-old prince that's running things, he doesn't get murdered, which, you know, is going to be interesting to watch.
	He'll be in office for 60 years.
	He'll be like one of these...
	Characters that just runs the country forever.
	But let's play this.
	Deals, deals, deals.
	That's what's going on right now.
	Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman launching this anti-corruption committee resulted in the arrest of billionaire investor Prince Walid bin Tanal of Kingdom Holdings and a dozen other Saudi princes and ministers over the weekend.
	You've heard about this.
	Shake-up not only has geopolitical implications, but could also cause ripple effects into U.S. businesses.
	Joining us now for more on this is Dennis Ross, a former special assistant to President Obama, currently at the Washington Institute, and Fred Kemp from the Atlantic Council, who joins us live from Riyadh.
	That was kind of a gratuitous little jingle they threw in there.
	Why did they do that while she's talking?
	I think somebody...
	I think somebody...
	It sounds like a button slip, like a fat finger.
	Yeah, I think it was a fat finger.
	That was just weird.
	Now for more on this is Dennis Ross, a former special assistant to President Obama, currently at the Washington Institute, and Fred Kemp from the Atlantic Council, who joins us live from Riyadh.
	Thank you both.
	Dennis, just to begin with you, what do you think the implications are for U.S. businesses?
	Well, I think there'll be a concern about whether or not there's going to be stability in the kingdom or not, and that's going to raise questions about, is this a good time to be investing?
	My own sense is that what we're seeing is a dramatic effort to consolidate the power of the crown prince so that he can actually carry out the reforms that he's serious about producing.
	He wants to transform the kingdom.
	I was there last year.
	One of the leading ministers said to me, welcome to our revolution disguised as economic reform.
	I think in the end, the economic reform will actually be quite good for investors.
	I also think transforming the kingdom is something that's necessary.
	Fred, understandably, since you're in Riyadh, we have a long audio delay, so we'll be patient with this.
	But I'm curious, how is this all playing out in Saudi Arabia?
	What is the mood in Riyadh this evening?
	Yeah, I'll get to market forces in a moment.
	But let's first talk about what's going on in history.
	There's really a sense that since Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman came to power in June, A country that's been moving very slowly has been on overdrive.
	There is a geopolitical impact, a geoeconomic impact, and a geo-religious impact.
	Don't forget, this is the place of Mecca, the center of global Islam.
	And this is a leadership that's trying to move toward modernity and moderation.
	So what you've got now is a situation where, over the short term, you're going to have a lot of investor nervousness.
	You have oil going up today.
	But if this 32-year-old reformer stays in power, can actually change the kingdom, I agree with Dennis.
	He could be in power for 30, 40 years, and this could be an amazing long-term play.
	Dennis, I understand that everybody's talking about him as a reformer and that they are doing some things like letting women drive and maybe attending sporting events.
	But is that just a disguise?
	I mean, there's one UK analyst, a market watcher, who is saying there are some predicting a more repressive and theocratic Wahhabi ascendancy as a possibility.
	His behavior is certainly not in line with a country moving towards democratic pluralism.
	Well, in a sense, what he's trying to do is carry out a revolution from the top, not from the bottom.
	But he also recognizes that you've got to transform the kingdom if it's going to become more modern.
	He also recognizes 70% of the population is under the age of 30.
	Bear in mind, some of what he's doing right now in terms of the anti-corruption campaign is both to appeal to that larger population that feels they've been left out, and also to show that he's producing a kind of dynamic change.
	Being able to take on and produce this kind of a change in a very conservative society probably had to be engineered from the top.
	We shouldn't look at it as something that's going to be a democracy anytime in the near future.
	That's not what they're trying to do.
	But what they are trying to do is modernize the country so it's stable over time.
	I think what both Fred and I are saying is, if he succeeds, this is something that's important because it also creates a successful model of development.
	There has been no successful model of development in the Arab world.
	One of the reasons you see groups like ISIS appear is precisely because there hasn't been that successful model.
	This potentially It could be one.
	There's a lot going on there.
	And there's something else we've got to add to it, which is Lebanon.
	Saudi Arabia has just ordered all citizens to leave Lebanon.
	This comes in the wake of the Prime Minister resigning suddenly.
	Well, in the previous clip...
	They discussed how he walked over to Saudi Arabia and resigned on their television show.
	Yes, correct.
	And this is very bad because it appears...
	That perhaps we, as in we Americans, and I will point squarely at the President, and worse, Kushner, I think they're involved in setting up some kind of civil war in Lebanon.
	A religious war, but it'll be a civil war.
	It's on the list?
	It's on the Wesley Clark 7?
	Oh my God, yes, John.
	Let's get the list.
	Hold on a second.
	Wes Clark...
	Here's the West Clark Seven.
	This was from three weeks after 9-11.
	Seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
	There you go.
	Iran, of course, big friends with Hezbollah.
	Now...
	In a way that also kind of...
	Well, there's a lot that fits into this Vegas theory, which I want to unfurl for you here.
	And you have to understand that this entire makeover of the kingdom since the prince came in, Mohammed bin Salman, has not been sitting very well with everybody.
	You know, women driving.
	Have we gone nuts?
	So, you know, this whole, we've got to become nicer, we have to, you know, clean up all the corruption, this did not sit well with a lot of people inside the kingdom, and there was an obvious power struggle.
	Right, but you have to remember that one other factoid in there, which is 70% of the population is under 30, and these folks aren't, you know, they're young, and they, you know, it's like the huge young population in Iran, They don't like this repressive idea.
	No.
	And they can get satellite TV. They have iPhones.
	They have iPhones.
	And they have iPhones.
	So something does have to give.
	Well, Alwaleed Bin Talal is the main culprit here.
	And by the way, they mention him in the CBS report without ever mentioning that he's a major shareholder in Fox News Corp.
	Not just Fox, but also in Four Seasons.
	I didn't know this, but the top floors of MGM are actually Four Seasons property.
	Of the, not MGM, but of the...
	Mandalay Bay.
	Mandalay Bay.
	So those top floors, I don't know if it's two or if it's four, but those are actually not part of Mandalay Bay per se.
	They are Four Seasons property.
	So here's how the theory goes.
	And you'll recall there was other weird stuff going on in Vegas.
	There were reports of other shootings.
	Not just reports.
	We played some police audio and there was shooting going on in other places.
	So the theory goes that Paddock, the Vegas gunman, air quotes, was indeed running guns, selling guns, thinking he might be selling them to some Taliban or whatever, and he was in with the spooks, with the intelligence or with whoever, to set up this thing.
	But the idea was that there was really a group of what are being called assassins, Saudi assassins, under order from al-Wahli bin Talal to kill Prince Mohammed bin Salman, to assassinate him.
	And so they had guys everywhere.
	And there's video, and it's a very interesting video, it's in the show notes, of a guy who certainly looks like the prince, With armed guards, not just armed guards, but with automatic weapons drawn, walking through the casino, leading him away from wherever.
	A very odd video, something you've never seen before, with their guns pointing around, trying to just walk through the casino.
	So the theory goes that these guys were just going to get their guns.
	It was going to be a perfect setup.
	And you remember, ISIS did claim responsibility, so they probably kept their end of the bargain.
	If this happened this way, they kept their end of the bargain.
	Yeah, we did it.
	But it went wrong.
	It fell apart.
	And so these guys just started shooting.
	And maybe they always intended to shoot at the crowd or at a crowd or shoot stuff up.
	And when they couldn't get away, they both committed suicide.
	That's your two shots at the end.
	But there were multiple assassins everywhere.
	And probably one of the bodies, the body we saw might have been one of the assassins.
	It might not even have been Paddock.
	Who the hell knows?
	The body they kept showing was only from like the butt to the feet.
	They never showed his upper body at all.
	They'd see his dress.
	I would be wrong.
	So, you know, there's a lot of different angles to this, but it does kind of fit in a way.
	And unresolved for me is indeed, what are all these other shooting events going on in Vegas?
	What was happening?
	You see this video, it's like, wow, okay, I'd just like to know who that was, what was going on, why did that happen?
	That may all be just 4chan stuff, but...
	Well, do we know for a fact that he was in Las Vegas?
	I don't know.
	I don't know for a fact.
	I don't know.
	That hasn't come up in the conversation, that's for sure.
	Well, these guys do go to Vegas a lot, and they usually will go into skies, and they love gambling.
	They'll go to Vegas, they'll go to...
	What's the one off of China there?
	The island?
	Macau?
	They love gambling.
	They've got plenty of money.
	But probably, or more likely is...
	My understanding is rarely do they wear their...
	Their garb.
	Arab garb.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Um...
	I don't know.
	I mean, it fits.
	It's still way out there for me.
	Well, this guy is definitely...
	But for Trump to then just go along with it, now it kind of makes sense because he knew what was going on.
	He wants Solomon to be his buddy.
	I guess they saved him, in a way, from the assassin crew, so that was kind of good.
	But it's a conflict because, you know, I'm sure some people got killed.
	Something happened.
	Maybe it wasn't all a big false flag.
	Maybe it was just that something had gone terribly wrong.
	But for sure it makes sense that this guy is under attack, as you say, if he's going to live for 60 years, if he's not assassinated.
	And perhaps the so-called rocket from Iran, maybe it was something else inbound to kill the prince.
	Well, the one thing we know, and I've described this situation as sounding like the end of the first Godfather movie, where this guy throws everybody he can into house arrest as fast as he can all at once.
	Which is the way to go, it seems to me.
	And the Talweed guy, whatever his name is, the guy who owns half of everything, Al-Walid Ben Talal.
	And just one more little thing.
	The coincidence and timing of Trump's Twitter being deleted may not be a coincidence, seeing as this guy has clout within Twitter.
	Oh, Ben Talal.
	Yeah, he does.
	He owns a piece of it.
	Yeah.
	Or did.
	So maybe he got someone to...
	Trump couldn't tweet about anything while something was taking place.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	It's out there.
	It's piling on.
	All I know is that this guy, this new guy, this 32-year-old millennial...
	Yeah, he's going to be a problem.
	He's going to be a problem.
	He's going to be a problem for somebody.
	And I think Trump has made the right move by visiting him immediately after becoming president.
	And of course you saw in the newsletter I had the thing kind of outlined as him meeting with the new guy and then Next thing you know, Al-Walid Ben-Talal is in prison because Al-Walid Ben-Talal had insulted Trump before the election, saying he was a disgrace to America, and he's never going to win a presidency.
	I mean, as if he's an American making these comments, he's not.
	And I thought it was extremely insulting and kind of weird that he'd do that at all, because they've done business together.
	And next thing you know, he's in jail in Saudi Arabia.
	I think there's some hanky, well, I know it's hanky-panky, but it's Some good diplomacy going on, if you want to call it that.
	Well, what it does do, and I'm surprised it hasn't caught on a little bit, maybe we can start some of that.
	I think people should be boycotting Twitter for the evil thinking that the part owner, Bin Al-Tolid Al-Palilam.
	Al-Walid Bin Talal.
	Yeah, that he hates women driving, and it's not to politically correct this outfit, this Twitter outfit.
	It's got evil money, bad money, bad money.
	Yeah, that's going to catch on.
	No, probably not.
	But this will be a story that we follow throughout probably for the next year.
	Yeah, and sadly, I really feel we're going to see Lebanon, you know, will be the proxy.
	It's where it's all going to go down in Lebanon.
	This is, I mean, Lebanon always gets the short end of the stick.
	It's not like they don't have their own problems, but man, was it the 80s?
	They rebelized the place.
	They rebelized.
	It was the first rebelization, and it was blamed on the Syrians, and of course the Israelis too, and then they wrecked the place.
	And the Lebanese are the best of all the people in that area in terms of...
	They're fantastic people, the Lebanese.
	And they're also considered...
	I've talked to Middle Eastern...
	Arabs and Jews in the Middle East about the penchant for doing just And running business and being business-oriented like a Chinese would be.
	And I always attribute, I said, well, the Jews have a very great sense of how to start and run a business.
	Everybody learned it from the Lebanese, even the Jews.
	He says that Lebanese are the businessmen, the natural born businessmen of the Middle East.
	If you find a good business, you'll find a Lebanese somewhere involved in keeping the thing running.
	And I always thought that was kind of an interesting observation.
	They had in the 50s, apparently, what was considered the Paris of the Middle East in Lebanon.
	Beirut was, yeah, and you can look it up.
	It's like Saskatoon.
	Exactly, Saskatoon.
	Saskatoon.
	We just call it the Saskatoon of the Middle East.
	They had these beaches and it was all, you know, it was very westernized and all the rest of it.
	And the next thing you know, it's bombed the crap.
	And it's already, you know, it won't get, I don't know if it gets bombed as much as Syria got bombed, which seemed well deserved after what they did to Lebanon.
	But this is more rebelization.
	The Saudis have stayed out of this model.
	They haven't been rebelized.
	Right.
	But I have a feeling that, you know, Kushner went into Lebanon.
	We have this guy, you know, resigning in Saudi Arabia on TV. You know, what next?
	Are we going to see Israel going into Lebanon to get Hezbollah?
	Is that what's going to happen?
	Yeah.
	Boy, are we going to see the Sunni-Shia factions in a civil war?
	No good's coming of this, and I'm telling you we have a part of it, and I'm looking at you, Jared Kushner.
	Yeah, he was going to bring peace to the Middle East.
	No, he's just going to move the fighting to Lebanon.
	It's a bad idea.
	It's not nice.
	It's on the list.
	It was on the list.
	I know it's on the list.
	Let me do two little fun clips before we go into our second break.
	I always love the podcast.
	People always speak up on the podcast.
	They don't say things, especially journos.
	Journos do things on podcasts they would never do on their traditional show.
	Katie Turr.
	Has written a book.
	And what's the book called?
	Who wrote it?
	Katie Turr.
	Your friend, Katie Turr.
	Katie Turr.
	Katie Turr from NBC. I don't know what she wrote.
	Yeah, she's been doing the rounds.
	Let me see.
	Like Nutball Election or something like that.
	No, it has a snappy title.
	The title is...
	Unbelievable.
	You were so close.
	My front row seat to the craziest campaign in American history.
	Wow.
	Alright, Katie Tur.
	And she was on...
	I like her, though.
	When I hear her speak...
	If you watch her show, which you don't, on MSNBC... She has her own show?
	I thought she was just a correspondent.
	She's been over a year she's had a show.
	Oh, she has a show.
	And she sucks.
	Okay, well, that said, she was on Recode with Kara Schwisher.
	And I just had to clip the grab-em-by-the-pussy segment because you rarely hear...
	It's always like, grab-em-by-the-lady-parts, by the vajay-jay, by the lady bits...
	And here's two women, because they're on a podcast, they're just talking like women.
	And I enjoyed the conversation.
	You were also the first, if I have my memory correct, you were the first on-air reporter to talk about the Access Hollywood tapes.
	I was, yeah.
	And that was because NBC had the tapes in their vault because Access Hollywood was at NBC. Access Hollywood had the tapes.
	But it was an NBC distributed show?
	They had the tapes before.
	Yeah, but Access Hollywood still had the tapes.
	That's important, I think.
	For some reason, she really makes a point of that in Access Hollywood.
	Not NBC, Access Hollywood.
	I don't know why, but I'm sure there's some talking point reason.
	Yeah, but Access Hollywood still had the tapes.
	Right, but NBC got them sooner than others.
	Yeah, we did, because it's an NBC property.
	Yeah.
	You know, the first time I heard the tape, I was sitting in an office and my ear was right up against the computer because the volume was really low.
	And I could make out Donald Trump's voice distinctly.
	It's a voice at that point I knew better than my own.
	And, you know, he's talking about trying to sleep with a married woman.
	He's saying these things that, you know, on a hot mic that clearly he wouldn't say.
	If he knew, although he had been saying wild stuff on Howard Stern before, so this is not totally out of character, but hearing him say you can grab them by the pussy was...
	That really got me.
	Grab the pussy.
	I love how she says that.
	Grab by the pussy.
	Hearing him say, you can grab them by the pussy, was, I mean, my jaw cartoonishly dropped to the floor.
	I remember yelling out in this executive's office, in executive row, where everyone's relatively quiet, oh my god, did Donald Trump just say he can grab women by the pussy?
	I mean, screaming this out.
	And then thinking, you know, wow, if, oh my god, if anything's going to stop this campaign, it's going to be this.
	Or is it?
	I thought immediately, oh my god, he can never survive this.
	You were the one who kept telling NBC that none of these other crises were going to stop.
	Did you think this one would?
	I thought this one might, but almost immediately I thought, well, I don't know.
	I thought it might for a few reasons.
	One, his campaign went completely dark.
	50 former and current Republican lawmakers were either calling for him to drop out or saying they weren't going to vote for him.
	The crescendo of condemnation was loud.
	Then again, I knew that Donald Trump was not somebody who would ever drop out of anything.
	He would never quit.
	And if you pushed him back into a corner, he would just fight harder.
	So what was going to happen in the debate was my question.
	How was he going to try and turn this on Hillary Clinton?
	How would he use Bill Clinton and his accusers?
	Would that work for him?
	And then the real test was...
	What's going to happen at his first rally after that?
	If the same amount of people, the same amount of enthusiasm is out there, then we'll know it doesn't really matter.
	So talk about that, the first one.
	So the first rally out of that was...
	Thousands of people.
	Thousands.
	I don't remember exactly where it was.
	I think it might have been Ohio.
	Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people screaming and cheering.
	The more that he was backed into a corner, the more that they felt like they needed to defend him, the louder they got.
	There was a woman wearing a shirt that said...
	An equal amount of women, by the way.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I went to several of those rallies after that.
	There were a lot of women there.
	And one woman was wearing a shirt that said...
	She wasn't the only one, but she was the one that we got the best images of, I guess.
	Donald Trump can grab me by my, and she had an arrow pointed down.
	Looked like a normal woman.
	She was wearing glasses.
	She looked like someone's mom.
	She looked like someone on the PTA at somebody's middle school.
	Bigoted much?
	Crazy?
	That she wanted her pussy grabbed.
	Yeah, I guess.
	She wanted her pussy grabbed by Donald Trump.
	You know, it was wild.
	It was wild.
	They didn't care.
	Man, I enjoyed that little back and forth between the women and the pussy talk.
	Yeah.
	Hey, you know, I just...
	You know, it shows their...
	I remember a clip, which we had.
	Actually, we played this clip.
	It was right after this incident.
	And some woman...
	And it was in Minnesota or someplace.
	They were very practical.
	And there was two ladies.
	And they were middle-aged.
	And they were asked specifically because the reporters are pushing the story.
	And the woman says, well, every time I've heard stupid shit like that from a man, you know, it's like, what, last week?
	This is no big deal.
	And they were very down-to-earth about it, saying this is a guy...
	You know, talking over his head.
	And it's very common that men do this.
	And I've always felt that way about a lot of the stuff Trump does.
	He's really kind of a guy from the 50s.
	You know, he brags a lot.
	He's a little over the top with this stuff, to say the least.
	And this was just bull crap.
	And as somebody pointed out, his true words was they won.
	They untwisted a kind of a twisted phraseology, but it's beside the point.
	It was almost a demarcation point between the hysterical Katie Turr, and the practical.
	Yes, I have a much shorter practical clip, but I did just, while that was playing, I looked up Access Hollywood.
	Maybe we missed this, maybe we talked about it.
	It's an NBC, a KNBC-owned production, so it's a little disingenuous of Katie to say, well, Access Hollywood had it.
	Access Hollywood is produced by KNBC, which as far as I know is...
	O&O. Is it an O&O? I think so.
	Okay, so NBC doesn't own it.
	No, they own the station.
	Oh, it is O&O. I think it's an O&O. That's why I used the name KNBC. They're not going to let anybody use that.
	The executive producer is Robert Silverstein.
	Owned and operated.
	The executive producer of Access Hollywood is Rob Silverstein.
	He's a lawyer.
	not a constitutional lawyer, uh, for the Silverstein, uh, law firm.
	And as I just dove into this now, everyone's pointing towards him as the one responsible.
	And, you know, if it's a lawyer, I'm sure he has a beef with Trump for something.
	So that's probably the guy who did it.
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if he's a lawyer, you know, he's going to have, you know, especially if he's successful, he's going to have had run-ins with Trump somewhere.
	Katie did have something to say, kind of the rational Katie Tour, about the journos and everybody, really.
	When you're looking at, like, who are the big gets?
	Who are the big opportunities for, you know, other voices?
	gets are, you know, the people that don't want to be gotten because they don't want to get the hellfire from the other side, which is Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders.
	Those are those are the hellfire.
	She's good with the hellfire.
	That's true.
	Those are the names that people look at in the Democratic Party for potential leaders in 2020.
	I wonder if there's somebody just completely different that we're just not thinking of.
	And so you think some of the biggest Democratic names are, in essence, avoiding the fight?
	I think that it's the conventional wisdom is that you don't want to put your hat in the in the ring too early because you don't want to be the focus of everybody's attention, the focus of all of the criticism's attention.
	And therefore we have a sort of a vacuum of ideas at the same time.
	Yeah.
	I'll say that as a Democrat.
	We have a vacuum of ideas.
	I'm not putting that on you.
	Look at what the DNC... I have a lot of ideas.
	Shut up.
	I just wonder if the DNC is...
	Kara Swisher, shut up.
	What is she trying to do?
	I have a lot of ideas.
	Bring me into the inner circle.
	I should be in politics.
	I know what I'm talking about.
	I'm putting that on you.
	Look at what the DNC... I have a lot of ideas.
	I just wonder if the DNC has their finger on the pulse.
	I mean, they put out a press release after Flake announced that he wasn't running again, just attacking Flake.
	And it's like, a little tone deaf.
	It seemed like a lost opportunity.
	He's actually quite articulate about it.
	He's more articulate than Democrats about the problem.
	You're almost like, gosh, he sounds like a Democrat.
	I think everybody needs to tone it the F down.
	Just tone it down.
	Just bring down the volume.
	Because if we're all loud about everything, nothing penetrates.
	I think we're facing big dangers when it comes to our sovereignty, when it comes to our democratic process, our elections.
	We have a foreign power that's trying to manipulate us.
	We need to focus on that.
	That is a huge story.
	You can't let that keep happening.
	Otherwise, where will we be?
	No.
	Her idea of sovereignty has to do with Russian meddling.
	I know.
	Not globalism.
	No, no.
	That's okay.
	That's fine, yeah.
	Or the WTO. Who cares?
	Those guys are pretty much their own government.
	They make everybody else obey.
	We don't need to be sovereign when we're helping the world.
	Because that's what we do here on this show.
	I'm going to show myself old by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda in the morning.
	And we have a few people to thank this.
	This is show 980.
	980.
	980.
	Okay.
	Well, come on.
	Open up, open up.
	Oh, hold on.
	I usually have this open, but then I've...
	I'm trying to...
	Okay, there we go.
	Okay.
	Let's thank a few people, starting with...
	Oh, Cesium-137.
	Sir Cesium-137.
	Sir Cesium-137.
	I think he's...
	He's actually sent in a check before.
	He sent another one, 158.43, which came in.
	This is mailed from Canada.
	It really qualifies for the 2X. Wait, is it 2X now?
	It was always 2X. What are you thinking?
	I thought we would just do one for one.
	Dollaretts become dollars.
	No, no, I'm talking about the 10th anniversary.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Okay, so he'll be...
	And this is the Canadian.
	Yeah, he'll be an executive producer.
	Okay.
	Yes, we'll put him up.
	Instant upgrade in place.
	Yeah, because he sent his letter in.
	It says, this is for nine...
	And all the shows are like three shows ago because the Canadian Postal Service held the letter, I guess.
	I don't know.
	It's very common.
	The Canadian mail system is...
	You can talk to Eric about trying to get...
	You know, rings sent to Canada.
	Every once in a while, rings will just be hung up forever.
	Hung up or stolen?
	Well, sometimes one, sometimes the other.
	So, don't know.
	Okay.
	Let me just clear some stuff off the screen here.
	Yes.
	Remove Tumblr.
	Tumblr.
	Alright.
	Onward.
	Marco Slager in Tallahassee, Florida.
	And that's what I was doing.
	I was looking for the email.
	So I think I have it.
	Slager, Slager, Slager.
	Dear John, not certain.
	Also, this is a double note.
	It's also, you sent a 133.32 with the note.
	But this is, supposedly came in before.
	I began sending 3.33 a month.
	I can't see this thing.
	Hold on a second.
	Move the mic.
	A month through my credit union auto pay a few years ago.
	Shortly after I started listening to the show, your interesting analysis and freedom from advertising Pollution had me hooked from the beginning.
	Since then, I've been sanctimoniously among those listeners.
	Douchebag call-outs, knowing that my $33.33 monthly auto pay kept me safe from douchebaggery.
	After reading about the double credit offer, I thought I would use it to push up.
	And this is another old one that just came in.
	So I checked my accounting and loan.
	I think we have him listed.
	He's becoming...
	Let me see.
	Uh, no.
	Is he becoming something?
	No.
	Well, he says he is.
	Let me go back.
	Maybe we can have that double-checked by the back office.
	The back office is a...
	Is a mess.
	No, the back office...
	No, he's right, this guy.
	It's just, he says, my nighting awaits.
	Okay.
	Okay, here's what the problem is.
	He needs to be called out as a douchebag because his auto pay was stopped and he never noticed it.
	Douchebag!
	Douchebag!
	Okay, now he's caught up, and he wants to be knighted.
	He's caught up.
	That's what this in the last donation was.
	He needs to be knighted.
	Put him on the list as Sir Entity.
	Sir Entity.
	Serenity.
	Entity.
	Yeah, it's kind of.
	Is it Entity or Entity?
	It's probably Entity.
	No, he has Entity.
	Well, damn it.
	E-N-I-T-Y. Yeah, Serenity.
	Serenity.
	Serenity.
	Okay, Serenity.
	Get it?
	Waka, waka, waka.
	That was a long way to go.
	Sir Steve McConnell in Cortland, Ohio, $100.
	Laurent Bureau in Vittel, France, the home of Vittel water, or used to be, $80.
	Sir Brian Green of Hams, $7373.
	KC9YJM, $7373.
	Kilo 5 Alpha Charlie Charlie.
	Andrew Walker, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, $6333.
	Book to flight to Vegas, flight 333.
	He wants to travel karma because of that.
	Got it, got it, got it.
	We're coming at the end.
	Now, Nicholas Saylor, S-A-A-L-E-R, 5555.
	Gabriel Olinger, Manchester, New Hampshire, 5510.
	Sir Waka Waka, 5510, double nickels on the dime.
	Sir Payne in the Ass, our buddy in Richmond, Virginia, 5432.
	And the following are $50 donors, which will wrap this up.
	Jason Hughes, name and location.
	Jason Hughes, parts unknown.
	David Schlesinger in Rosemont, Illinois.
	Caleb Kniffin in Green Valley, Missouri.
	Sir John Boland in Brockport, New York.
	Tim Ebell in Bergfield, Berkshire, UK. Meetup in London.
	Gene Ablin in Sonora, California.
	Edward Mazurik in Memphis, Tennessee.
	Jonathan Meyer in Xenia, Ohio.
	Larry Hay in Mooresville, North Carolina.
	Scott Snyder, Sir Snyder of the OT Networks, Waterford, Michigan.
	And he has a birthday call out for his wife, Diana.
	She is his personal and private MILF and the love of his life.
	In my house, she holds the queen of title.
	The title of queen, while I'm a lowly knight forever in her service.
	Drew Mochak in El Cerrito, California, which is right down the street from me.
	David Peet, I think it's Sir David in Aubrey, Texas.
	Elise Garling, Dame Alaskan Fisher Chick.
	Where has she been hiding?
	You know, she sent me an email the other day.
	She's in Port Townsend, Washington now.
	She sent me an email, and she asked me for my new address with the keeper.
	She's going to send, I think, some confiture that she has made.
	Some confiture extraordinaire, and I'm very excited about that.
	And...
	One more thing.
	Dane Angela from Vegas, guess what she found?
	You'll never guess.
	She found, she's been working with some production company.
	She's not a challenge queen.
	No, better.
	She found the original video of my, with Hulk Hogan, my rocket car of death stunt on Circus of the Stars that I've been looking for for years.
	Well, now you can quit the show.
	Well, wait until you see it, for sure.
	I have to ask if I can put it on YouTube.
	They'll probably kill it if I put it on there.
	Did you get flipped?
	Flipped?
	Yeah, did Hulk Hogan pick you up, spin you around, throw you to the ground?
	You gotta see this thing.
	It's really dynamite.
	Did he grab you by the hair and then wing you around and throw you into the audience?
	Rocket car of death, man.
	Think me through an angry wall of flames crashing into it.
	I can imagine.
	Anyway, onward.
	Frank and Carol Mullen in Bolvard, Texas.
	Sir Brian Watson in Raleigh, North Carolina.
	And last but not least...
	Kirsten Gleb, who comes in with a monthly $50 donation through PopMoney and her credit union.
	I want to mention a couple of things here about that.
	PopMoney works out pretty well with some people who have a credit union.
	That's why I think PopMoney's made their deals.
	They've done it with credit unions.
	So you can avoid paying for SWIFT and all these expensive mechanisms for sending money around.
	If you send from the website directly to the show, which should work, and if you send it to me, I'll just reject it because you can't do that.
	You mean the PopMoney link?
	The PopMoney link on the website, if you go to the web, to PopMoney.com, they'll let you do it there if you go through a rigmarole.
	And when you do it, for some reason, PopMoney rejects the same bank account numbers that are used when the credit unions do it.
	And this number, we lose a couple hundred dollars every once in a while because of this.
	And we get it eventually, but I haven't worked this out yet.
	I was talking to Horowitz yesterday.
	He's coming to Austin in February.
	He's going to come visit.
	And we were talking about kids, which is kind of a topic.
	You may join in on this one.
	And because there's so much going on with money these days for the kids with the apps, you know, Venmo and Vicmo and PopMoney and Pipmo and this and that, and then they easily transferred into gambling stuff and apps and into Robinhood for, you know, they invest in Snap and lose all their skateboard money.
	I mean, kids are being ripped off.
	And I don't think they know it yet.
	And PopMoney may be the exception.
	Because, you know, I like the credit unions.
	I think it's a great...
	Every American citizen should have a credit union account.
	Just have it.
	Go ahead.
	I'll get this worked out with PopMoney at some point.
	But...
	I just want to tell people, if you're going to use POP money, you have to use it through a credit union or a bank that has POP money as their transfer mechanism.
	Right, right.
	Because it works great.
	There's no fees.
	There's nothing.
	It just goes bang.
	Right.
	And it's fine.
	And Kirsten Gleb is one of them who uses that system.
	And others do too.
	And you can kind of figure out from the accounts that I see on my end what the credit union is, where they're located.
	Right.
	But direct stuff has not worked.
	And there's other variations.
	I think I can't get any of these other things to work for crap there.
	PayPal works fine.
	What about Zelle Pay?
	I've never heard of these things.
	Yeah, because Tina sent me money, which is good.
	We like it.
	That's why I'm with her, for her money, after all, and for health insurance.
	And coming through Zelle Pay, and she has, I think, what does she have?
	Not my bank.
	And it just shows up instantaneously.
	Where?
	Right in my account.
	I don't even have to do anything.
	It just says, oh, here's money from the keeper through ZellePay.
	Z-E-L-L-E. Well, I don't know how that works, so, I mean, I'll look into it.
	I look into all of it.
	Yeah, it's fascinating, but I think there's a lot of danger to it, too.
	Yeah, I think so, too.
	Kids, you know, you don't have your money in your hand like we used to.
	You know, you had your coins in your pocket.
	You had, okay, some paper if you were really lucky.
	Yeah, you even have the little coin purses that you could squeeze in.
	They'd open up.
	No, no, no.
	Tell me you didn't have one of those coin changers on your belt.
	Come on.
	I know you had one.
	Only a dork of the highest order would ever have one of those coin changers on their belt unless they're selling hot dogs.
	I'm raising my hand.
	I had one.
	Why?
	I thought it was cool.
	You had the big change when you were in school?
	What are we going to do about cashing these fibers?
	Oh, Curry's makes change.
	I am the change master.
	That's right.
	That's how I got my start in my career.
	Alright, we want to thank everybody profusely.
	PopMoney, Venmo, Check, PayPal, all of the above.
	Thank you very much.
	We have no commercial interests that would be able to influence what we do.
	The only people who make the show go is you.
	We are your conduits.
	So, before you go on, I got the Ken Price thing, which I never finished reading.
	And in it, I found a page, too, of his thing, so I can get this out of the way.
	He says he was struggling on his knighthood.
	Much of what you guys say on the show seems obvious once it's exposed and no longer oblivious.
	I would like to be knight of the...
	So he is getting a knighthood.
	He has to be put on the list.
	This is part of the error.
	Alright, who is this?
	This is Ken Price.
	Okay.
	So Ken Price, who calls himself Koopa, he needs to be the knight of...
	Oh, I see why.
	He's the knight of the obviously obvious peoples of America, Koopa.
	Wait a minute.
	Knight of what?
	The obliviously obvious.
	Peoples of America?
	The obliviously obvious peoples of America.
	Okay, got it.
	And because he did send a lot of money in, he needs two to the head and relationship karma.
	Okay.
	Or anything.
	We didn't put that with the grouping.
	Yes.
	Or anything Adam thinks would be good, having been where he's been, and finally...
	Okay.
	Just minor stuff here.
	Okay.
	Okay, so we got that covered.
	Now I don't have to worry about that.
	Done.
	I got that part out of the way.
	All right.
	So again, I'll thank everybody profusely for keeping us running here.
	We do have a show twice a week, Thursdays and Sundays.
	Another one coming up on Sunday.
	Your help is needed.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. As requested.
	Jobs.
	Jobs.
	And jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	It's your birthday, birthday.
	I'll know what you got.
	We've got a list for you today.
	We say happy birthday to Susan's little brother, David, celebrating today, I presume.
	Ludgerin, Ludgerin, 33 yesterday.
	Happy birthday, Ludgerin, Deutschland.
	Sarah Lobach says happy birthday to her fiancé, Landon Dalyan, celebrated yesterday.
	Scott Snyder, happy birthday to his wife, Diana, celebrates tomorrow.
	And Elise Garling, Dame Elise, says happy birthday to her little brother, Sir Ian Garling, 34 this past Tuesday.
	Happy birth to Molly Buddies here at the best podcast in the universe!
	I'm Rusty.
	Alright, let's see.
	We do have one, two, three.
	So yeah, so now we have four knightings.
	And we don't have the ratchet, so just your regular sword.
	Don't have to attach it to anything.
	That is my sword.
	Now thank you to remove your hand from it.
	All right, Susan Klaykamp, Anonymous, Marcus Slager, and Ken Price, step on up to the podium here next in the lecture.
	And for all of you are going to join the roundtable of the No-Gen, the Knights and Dames.
	And I'm very proud to pronounce the KD as Dame for and Lady before.
	Anonymous becomes Sir Fromager.
	Marcus Schlager becomes Sir Enity.
	And Ken Price, Knight of the Oblivious Obvious Peoples of America.
	Congratulations for you.
	We have the nice cornucopia here.
	We've got hookers and blowers, rent boys and Chardonnay.
	We've got ass cream and bear feelings.
	We have, oh my God, popping by Domingo Moran and Frauleins.
	And button and mead.
	Head on over to noagendanation.com slash rings.
	Eric the Shill will take care of you as soon as humanely possible.
	Title changes.
	Turn and face this way.
	Title changes.
	Don't want to be a douchebag.
	Title changes.
	Couple of title changes today.
	Sir Max Powers becomes barren.
	Sir Max Powers, barren.
	The Baron of the State of Jefferson and Sir Michael of South Dakota also becomes a Baron today.
	His protector will be South Dakota and henceforth known as Sir Michael, the Baron of South Dakota.
	Congratulations from your No Agenda show.
	And thank you for your courage and your support of the work.
	I have one last note to read.
	And we'll take this, hopefully take care of Chris Wilson from Sydney, who says he needed a dedouching.
	During the 241 sale of his son Felix.
	And he says he's able to say, my hardcore Catholic mother, next time she asks me if I plan to have Felix baptized, I will be able to say no, but I've had him dedouched.
	Here we go.
	You've been de-douched.
	It's the new baptism.
	De-douching.
	The new baptism.
	Yeah, and he needs to be, he was supposed to be the one that was executive producer for a show on 977, so I think what we can do is add him as executive producer to this show, and that'll have him covered.
	All right, let me just get his deets real quick then.
	Hold on, I have a system here that seems to be working.
	He'll be executive producer or associate?
	Associate.
	Associate.
	Okay, hold on.
	Now in the spreadsheet, add row below.
	No, wrong, wrong, wrong.
	Oh, no.
	Add row below.
	Okay.
	That sounds like me.
	What's his name?
	Felix Wilson.
	Felix Wilson.
	Okay.
	On the list.
	It's a list you want to be on.
	Yes, you do.
	Donagate.
	Yes, Donagate.
	Donagate.
	Donagate.
	Now, I for sure thought you would have had some clips of Donna Brazile on Tucker.
	Well, I decided that I was going to kind of follow our rule.
	No Tucker.
	And no Tucker.
	Good, because I didn't get anything either.
	I actually missed it.
	However, I do have a few other interesting clips.
	Let's start with the innocuous.
	Tulsi Gabbard is grabbing on to the controversy with her message.
	And as you know, I'm a big fan, big fan of Tulsi.
	I think she's got her head on straight and this proves it.
	Earlier today, we heard from Donna Brazile that what many people had suspected for a long time has turned out to be true.
	Thank you.
	laws essentially allowed the Clinton campaign to bypass individual campaign contribution limits by funneling millions of dollars through the DNC and state parties, taking control of the DNC in the process.
	Along with the recent retaliatory purge of Bernie Sanders and Keith Ellison supporters from the DNC's executive committee, This is just further evidence that the DNC needs to be completely overhauled to take our party back from the special interests of a powerful few and put it back in the hands of the people.
	We must bring about real campaign finance reform.
	We must get rid of the undemocratic system of superdelegates.
	We must implement open or same-day registration in democratic primaries to actually encourage voter engagement.
	We must care more about people than protecting the status quo.
	No more games, no more retaliation, no more picking of winners and losers.
	We must act now to take back our party, a party that belongs to the people, and fight for a new path forward that is open, transparent, and accountable, and that strengthens our democracy.
	And I wish you lots of luck with that mission, Tulsa.
	Yes, good luck.
	As much as I like her, I wish her lots of luck with that.
	You know, the Democratic Party needs a de-douching, really.
	That would do everything for him.
	In fact, I'm going to give him a little de-douching.
	You've been de-douched.
	You're clean.
	Do with it what you need.
	Take advantage of it.
	So there's one person...
	Well, we've heard a little bit from Hillary, but we hadn't really heard from Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
	And luckily, our local affiliates in Florida caught up with her.
	Former Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Donna Brazile facing her critics this weekend.
	She's about to release a book called Hacks.
	It's a behind-the-scenes look at the time when she was interim head of the DNC after South Florida Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz stepped down after a leaked email scandal.
	Brazil makes explosive allegations, including that Wasserman Schultz allowed the Clinton campaign, based in Brooklyn, to take over the DNC and its finances.
	Brazil said then-party chairwoman Wasserman Schultz was not a good manager and favored Clinton to become the nominee, basically stacking the deck against Bernie Sanders.
	Your overall reactions to Donald Brazil's vote?
	I'm focused on doing the best job that I can to represent my constituents here in Florida's 23rd Congressional District.
	For the first time, we were able to ask the Congresswoman about the explosive allegations.
	Can you deny those for us?
	Can you respond to what Ms.
	Brazil is saying about you?
	My focus?
	I have to say, she is good at it.
	She knows you just don't say anything.
	You just keep repeating the same statement over and over again.
	Do not answer the question.
	Which is what my constituents elected me to do, is to make sure that I can fight for the things that they care about.
	Time after time, she refused to respond directly to the allegations, continually saying she's focused on issues like getting other Democrats elected, stopping the Trump tax cuts, and strengthening environmental protections.
	Just this past weekend, we had king tides inundate parts of the coastal areas of my district.
	Hello, key word, tide.
	Tide.
	What's a king tide?
	It's a big one.
	But is that climate change?
	It's a tide.
	The word's tide.
	Oh, okay.
	Just this past weekend, we had king tides inundate parts of the coastal areas of my district.
	I can assure you that folks in the neighborhoods in Hollywood are much more concerned and talking to me and raising those issues when I see them in the cafes and coffee shops in our district than they are about anything related to last year's election.
	I'm surprised you're going to say, My constituents, what did she want her to do?
	What did the constituents want her to do about a king tide?
	What's she going to do about it?
	Go ahead and block the water?
	I'm stopping this tide right here.
	And by the way, I don't think that was very good at all.
	You said you gave her kudos for not answering the question.
	I think she could have done much better than being a dick, which is what she was there.
	And she could have said, I haven't read the book.
	I'd have to read it.
	I'll see.
	I'll let you know when I have to read it.
	Oh, okay.
	That would have been better.
	She didn't read it.
	I'm sure she didn't read the book.
	No.
	I don't know.
	She's not lying.
	Now, she went on CBS. And by the way, in the follow-up to that thing, I would say, well, they said this and that.
	And she said, I don't know.
	I'd have to read it for myself.
	Yeah, you're right.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	Now, Donna Brazile was on the CBS morning show.
	And boy, was there some backpedaling going on.
	And she got called out on it, too.
	It became very uncomfortable.
	So Gail is there, and what's the other girl's name?
	Nora.
	Nora.
	And Charlie.
	It was very annoyed by the whole thing.
	But she starts to backpedal on everything she said.
	But only, as far as I know, on the CBS morning show.
	So I still have to see the long Tucker interview.
	Which I just missed for circumstance, through circumstance.
	It's online.
	Oh, I'm sure.
	Yes, thanks.
	I also record his show, so I always have my fresh talk.
	Oh, you do?
	I do.
	I always have my fresh talker.
	Here we go.
	This is on the CBS Morning Show.
	Baffling.
	Was it a fair fight between Senator Clinton and Bernie Sanders?
	I believe so.
	Look, we had five candidates in the race.
	What?!
	What?
	And Nora is confused.
	She's like, what?
	Was it a fair fight between Senator Clinton and Bernie Sanders?
	I believe so.
	Look, we had five candidates in the race.
	Hillary Clinton, no question about it, ran a very strong campaign.
	She had resources in the states that met, especially those early states.
	She won three out of the four early states, and she went on to win more votes than Senator Sanders.
	But my purpose in looking into what happened was to find out if anything happened that we did not anticipate.
	And what I learned was there was a memorandum of understanding, in addition to the joint fundraising agreement, that hampered the DNC's ability to control its communication and some of its financial investments.
	And I pointed that out.
	That's not entirely true, Donna.
	What happened was that in 2015, both Secretary Clinton and Bernie Sanders signed an agreement with the DNC, right?
	The DNC was deep in debt, and they agreed to help replenish its coffers.
	Nora, I was the vice chair of the party, and I had no idea there was a separate memorandum that gave one candidate control over selecting staff in three or four departments.
	Now, it may not be illegal, but I thought...
	This was a supplemental agreement.
	A supplemental agreement that when I became chair, when I figured out, why can't I spend money?
	Why can't I go out there and make some other strategic investments?
	And because of this memorandum, I could not.
	So I felt obligated, as I told Bernie I would at the convention, that I would get to the bottom of it.
	And I found that the party rigged the process, and I wanted to make sure that Bernie and his supporters understood.
	But your book does not seem to suggest that you think it was a fair fight.
	That's why I'm surprised to hear you say to Nora, I know it was a fair fight.
	Your book seems to suggest that you're bitter, you're angry, and on top of all of that, you seem very hurt.
	But it doesn't seem like you think it was a fair fight, Donna.
	You even called Bernie to explain to him, I found the cancer here.
	I'm also, first of all, I'm a member of the Democratic establishment in terms of, I'm on the Rules Committee.
	It is a fair fight.
	We don't set primary dates.
	They're set by the states.
	We set caucus dates.
	You called Bernie to tell him what?
	I called Bernie to explain to him that there was cancer that I could not destroy.
	And I could not destroy because of this memorandum.
	I had two choices to make, and I think Bernie agreed with me.
	One was to expose it and expunge it and then disrupt the party in September of 2016 or to wait until the election was over with and to rid the party of basically allowing any candidates.
	But look, Hillary Clinton did something for the party that everyone should understand.
	The party was broke.
	And she gave the party a lifeline of resources in order for us to compete.
	And that's what she did for the general election.
	Let me shift to this.
	But now you're claiming that Hillary Clinton and her campaign treated you like Patsy the Slave.
	No, I said I felt like Patsy the Slave.
	I mean, this is backpedaling of the highest order.
	This is the opposite of what she was saying on Stephanopoulos' show.
	Somebody got to her.
	Big time!
	And now they're getting this little tiff at the end here.
	Look, first of all, I want to correct the record because I've known Gail for a long time.
	She's been my editor, so she's tough.
	But there's no question that I was upset.
	I was upset because we were hacked.
	This country was hacked by a foreign country, a hostile country.
	Donna, you sound like in the book, I read the book, that you were upset with Robbie Mook, certainly.
	You also sound very angry with Hillary Clinton.
	Yes, the hacking was an issue.
	My emotions are my emotions.
	But there's no question that I was very upset at the time because, look, I'm chair of the party.
	I have a lot of skin in the game.
	I don't report to the Democratic establishment.
	I report to the voters.
	And what I wanted the voters to understand and the people who support the Democratic Party is that our party was under attack.
	We had to deal with a hostile foreign government, the hacking.
	And at the same time, I had to Like most campaigns, you have family swabbles.
	I fought with my family.
	Are you guys settled on this?
	I'm going to do one other thing.
	And I love these two women, but they're tough, Charlie.
	Come on, be gentle, please.
	And then she added insult to injuries.
	Charlie, you shouldn't be, you'd be like them, tough, not like his pussy.
	Man, man, man.
	She's an idiot.
	Brazil is not a good...
	She's a loose cannon.
	She doesn't seem that bright.
	Someone got to her and said...
	Someone got to her and that was that.
	Focus back on Russia and the hacking.
	Oh, and I got crap from one of our nights about...
	We were laughing about how when she gets excited she doesn't speak English anymore.
	I was called a racist.
	You're a racist.
	That's not racist.
	We make fun of everybody.
	We make fun of ourselves.
	Somebody at that level should not be speaking poor English.
	I agree.
	That's all we were saying.
	As a woman who grew up in segregated South, that was insensitive.
	Do you mean by insensitive and racist?
	Yeah, well, you could look at it that way.
	Yeah, I could see why somebody would think that.
	A couple of things.
	The party was broke.
	Now, how could that even be when you had Obama, who ran through...
	Two presidential campaigns where he out...
	They moneyed everybody in the world and broke the record in the second campaign with, I think, something over a billion dollars, which is supposed to go through the DNC. Did Obama just steal all the money and the DNC got nothing?
	How did they get broke?
	They also get millions of dollars for these, even though they're not chairman anymore because they don't have the House and Senate.
	But the co-chairmen have to pay.
	We ran through that on one of our shows.
	They have to pay the Democratic National Committee or the Republican.
	For the chairmanships, yeah.
	You have to pay them money for the chairmanships, and the money can be a million dollars or more, depending on the various committees.
	But don't they have to come with their own money, the people who are going to be the chair?
	Yeah, it's their money.
	It's not the Democrat money.
	They give it to them.
	It's supposed to go from their campaigning into the coffers of the DNC. Where did all the money in the DNC go?
	That was never explained in her book or by anybody else.
	Where is all that money?
	There was money in there.
	Hey, John.
	Phrase from the chaise.
	Where does the term coffers come from?
	That's a good one.
	Why don't we just say bank account or PayPal or...
	Coffers.
	Coffers.
	I know what it means.
	In Dutch, coffers is suitcase.
	Coffer.
	Well, there's some suitcases involved in this deal.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, the whole thing is annoying.
	There was one report, I have not read the book, I don't think I will, but this was an interesting report about how she expands on Seth Rich in her book, Hack.
	Donna Brazile worried that Seth Rich was either killed for being white or killed by Russians.
	In her latest book titled Hacks, she wrote, I felt some responsibility for Seth Rich's death.
	I didn't bring him into the DNC, but I helped keep him there working on voting rights.
	With all I knew about the Russians hacking, I could not help but wonder if they had played some part in his unsolved murder.
	Besides that, racial tensions were high that summer, and I worried that he was murdered for being whites on the wrong side of town.
	My friend Elaine expressed her doubts about that, and I heard her.
	The FBI said that they did not see any Russian fingerprints there.
	Rich's murder haunted Brazil.
	The DNC data staffer was killed days before WikiLeaks began publishing its emails, and his valuables were not taken.
	The intelligence community told her after the killing that she needed protection for herself, including cameras, alarms, and backup power at her house, and she heeded their advice.
	Brazil was so concerned with Rich's death that she used her brief-only phone call from Hillary Clinton after the election loss to bring him up.
	She asked Clinton to use some of the millions of dollars the campaign had in order to set up a reward fund to find his murderer.
	But Hillary said she really had to go.
	Gotta go.
	Gotta go.
	Got enough time for this.
	Why is she expanding so much on this?
	I find it peculiar.
	And that little telling moment with Hillary saying, I don't care.
	I gotta go.
	One quickie then, one last clip about the new Democratic Party.
	The Diverse Democrats.
	This is White House correspondent Abby something or other from CNN. And just a brief one.
	I think Virginia is the kind of state that really highlights the key problem for Democrats right now, which is that in order to bring out African-American voters, you might have to alienate some white voters.
	And it's a purple state.
	It's a place where Democrats still have to appeal to some white voters.
	And so that balancing act is really difficult for them to strike right now.
	They're just saying this.
	Do they realize how odd they sound?
	Yeah, we've got to alienate some whiteys.
	That's the compassionate Democrats.
	Borderline?
	I would say, by the way, now that I think about it, that calling you out for condemning somebody's speech pattern as racist is racist.
	The night that we have within our movie, he's the racist.
	Explain.
	Well, you were just doing something objective, and he saw it as a racial issue.
	In other words, this is like a typical Dimension B. They see everything in the framework of race.
	Well, I wouldn't call him Dimension B, but I definitely think he has white guilt.
	He's from the South.
	But if you see everything in terms of race, and you criticize somebody for using the language poorly, it's not a matter...
	If you see it in terms of race, I mean, yes.
	But if you see it in terms of just bitching and moaning about people not being able to speak good English, or not speaking it when they get agitated, or whatever.
	But he presented...
	And I like him, by the way.
	He's a nice guy.
	I've met him.
	He presented it Almost like a handicap.
	Well, she grew up in the segregated South, therefore you can't blame her for speaking that way.
	There's no excuse.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, you're right.
	That's a racist thought because we're just laughing.
	We're just laughing about how dumb people are.
	We laugh about Trump, Obama, everybody.
	If you see everything in a racist framework, just what you just said is racist.
	Check your privilege, yo.
	Yeah, you're privileged.
	You're a jerk privileged guy.
	He's a good guy, but he just needs...
	No, you're the jerk in this case.
	Me?
	Because I'm now seeing everything in a racist framework, and I didn't realize.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I have a couple of things that can easily go to Sunday.
	Well, hold on.
	Let's just transition.
	Okay.
	Where's the woppo, woppo, woppo?
	No, you wanted a woppo.
	That was just a transition.
	That's just a transition blipper.
	That's the worst, by the way.
	Might as well use this.
	No!
	Yeah, the worst.
	No, I think it's good.
	I like it.
	I got one clip left that we can wrap up.
	On time.
	Actually, we were late anyway.
	Yeah, I know.
	Sorry.
	In fact, I'll put this off.
	All this goes to Sunday, which includes maybe a little discussion of the Texas shooting, which is obviously we didn't discuss today.
	It needs to be discussed.
	I got a clip by the two idiot basketball players that were arrested in China with a little commentary at the end of it.
	Yeah, let's do that.
	Let's do that.
	Let's do that.
	Okay, let's play that, and I have something to...
	Now, this is a...
	Three basketball players from UCLA were busted in China for stealing sunglasses from a sunglass hut or whatever it is in the mall in Beijing or Shanghai.
	What idiots.
	Idiots.
	And instead of getting the news reports, I actually took this report from a sports talk show called Pardon the Interruption, which is a fantastic show if you like sports.
	The update from Shanghai is that the three UCLA basketball players arrested for shoplifting sunglasses, including LiAngelo Ball, are out on bail, but essentially under house arrest in their luxurious team hotel.
	They have Not surprisingly, been ruled out of Friday night's game with Georgia Tech.
	Daddy Ball and his wife are there, and Honjo shooting their Facebook reality show, Ball and the Family.
	I bet you like that tone.
	It's a good name.
	Where LeVar told reporters, quote, it ain't that big a deal.
	Close quote.
	Tony, your thoughts?
	My immediate thought when I heard about this was, if this is true, how stupid can you be?
	You are in a foreign country that is not a democracy.
	You do not know the rules.
	You can be locked up.
	They can throw away the key.
	You have no access to your lawyers in the United States.
	Why?
	Because you're not in the United States.
	And you're stealing sunglasses?
	How stupid can you be?
	Yeah.
	How about this, Tony?
	How unaware?
	Teenagers, and we're talking about teenagers here, what do they know about a communist country anymore?
	What do they know about a non-democracy?
	What do they know when they see a mall with a sunglass hut or a Fendi or a Prada or the same stuff they see in SoCal, dude?
	What would they know the difference is between China?
	You think they read it in the morning New York Times?
	Because they're there to play basketball, so they don't know that.
	How aware are we as a parent now?
	Now these are allegations.
	That's all they are are allegations.
	That's right.
	It goes on and on, but the point I think that they never really, they kind of make, they bring up awareness.
	What do they teach kids in high school nowadays?
	Nothing.
	They don't teach about the American government, the American system, and the kind of freedoms and opportunities we have and how the systems work and how it differs from other systems.
	No.
	where you do get your hands chopped off in some of them.
	So these kids come out of high school.
	Now they're at UCLA.
	Of course, they're just starting in.
	But it's like they managed to get in, so they graduated from high school, I would assume, if you get to UCLA to play basketball.
	But this is an example to me of the lousy educational system in this country and in California in particular.
	Well, it's also parents, man.
	I mean, how do you even become like that?
	You steal sunglasses.
	Stealing is very odd to me.
	Yes, well, the parents, and one of them is a very famous a-hole parent.
	Oh, okay.
	But it's beside the point.
	We have three of these kids that are naive.
	They just think they can...
	Yeah, they're idiots, like the kid who took the poster down in North Korea.
	Yeah, they should throw these kids in the slammer and leave them in there for a couple of years.
	They can play basketball for the Chinese team.
	Time out!
	Time out for five years.
	It's the new rules.
	Time out.
	All right, everybody, that is the show for today.
	Keep your eyes open.
	We'll do the same.
	There's always something to deconstruct.
	And then you know it's no agenda time.
	So we return on Sunday.
	Remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA. And until that time, coming to you from the Common Law Condo in the 5x9 Cludio, downtown Austin, Tejas, capital of the Drone Star State, FEMA Region 6, on the governmental maps if you're looking forward.
	In the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I don't have all those flowery things to say about the area, but the traffic's light, the sky's got some clouds, and there's some chemtrails up there if you want to call them that, just to top things off.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We return on Sunday right here on No Agenda.
	And until then, as always, adios, mofos!
	Crap.
	Let's hit it.
	Here's Jeff Pegues.
	The tipping point came yesterday when it was revealed that...
	Does this guy have to take an unbelievable dump or what?
	He has to take a crap any minute.
	I'm gonna take a dump.
	With Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak.
	Jeff Pegues.
	Also the CBS guy I like.
	That poop guy, right?
	Oh, that guy.
	That guy.
	Poop.
	Oh, poop.
	Tribulation of strains and grunts.
	And that's just Jeff Pegues.
	Hey, yo!
	Grr!
	Grr!
	Jeff Begay, even though it sounds like he's taking a dump, is the best reporter that reports these things because he's not dishonest.
	Well, he has no time to be dishonest because he's got to get the report out to hit the can.
	The guy's in trouble.
	You like that?
	Yeah, I do.
	I don't know why, but I like the whoop guy sound.
	I'm holding it.
	Step up.
	Just step up.
	Step up and do what?
	Resist.
	Poop.
	Resist.
	Resist.
	And this is not a good idea if you need to poop.
	You have to push harder.
	Actually, that's funny.
	Jeff Pegues, that it sounds like he actually managed to get that dump out of the way.
	Oh, it's my favorite guy!
	At the other end of the mall, he does sound much more relaxed.
	Go to my potty potty.
	I think it's funny that he took the right X-lax.
	Go to my potty potty.
	Holy crap.
	Poop on the floor, slave!
	Poop.
	Or go drink some poop.
	Thanks, Jeff.
	This old thing stinks to high heaven.
	Welcome to the partay.
	In the morning to you, John C., where the C stands for Chicago.
	Devorak!
	Good morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Gurry!
	Why am I shouting?
	It's a great question, one that you'd appreciate.
	You're welcome.
	It's such all my notes.
	Great question.
	Oh, that's a great question.
	How is that a great question?
	Stupid question.
	Why do people say that's a great question when it's not a great question?
	It's just a question.
	Have you ever noticed this?
	And I see it in meetings all the time.
	Somebody's asked some stupid question and instead of just answering the question, you say, that's a great question.
	Where do you learn this?
	Is there a seminar that tells you to say that's a great question when it's clearly not a great question?
	If I hear a great question, I'll know it.
	These...
	I've never heard one.
	I've never heard in my life a great question.
	They're all just questions.
	There's not a great question.
	Oh, that's a great question.
	How is that a great question?
	33 cents.
	The tenth.
	The ninth.
	The eighth.
	The seventh.
	The sixth.
	The fifth.
	The first four, I only got the dollar out of the $20 saving.
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	And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how our tax system works.
	I only got the dollar out of the $20 saving.
	And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how our tax system works.
	The 10 reporters drink in the bar every day and seem quite happy with the arrangement. .
	So that's what they decided to do.
	These are the reporters after all, so they're going to start with fairness.
	I only got a dollar out of the $20 segment.
	And that rate isn't good on as how our tax system works.
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