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	Hello.
	Hello.
	It's me.
	It's me.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Thursday, January 19, 2017, and this is your award-winning Gipo Nation Media Assassination Episode 8, 9, or 6.
	This is No Agenda.
	We're deconstructing hats and meat and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet here in downtown Austin, Tejas, FEMA Region 6.
	In case you're looking forward in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where a drought that we were experiencing that was going to take 10 years to disappear seems to have disappeared.
	I'm John C. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill.
	In the morning.
	Wait a minute.
	You're telling me the drought is over?
	Looks like it.
	We're getting pounded here.
	Oh, pounded.
	This is what Jerry Brown said.
	You don't mean pounded.
	Whoa, you got butt slammed!
	That's what happened.
	Butt slammed.
	Half of the shingles on my roof were blown off last night.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, man.
	Huh.
	I'm waiting for one of the big trees to be able to fall down and crush some of the stuff in my backyard.
	Actually half of them or just a lot?
	Well, lots.
	Lots.
	Alright.
	For those listening on the stream, thank you for hanging in there.
	Starting a little bit late.
	Some technical difficulties.
	But these will be discussed in tech news today.
	Actual tech news.
	About some technological issues.
	Yeah.
	Well...
	We are over-clipped today, it's obvious.
	I don't have that many.
	Yeah, you kind of do.
	I don't have three pages.
	So, of course, we have the inauguration tomorrow, and it's interesting that we have this show today.
	A lot of people won't hear this until tomorrow, I think.
	But I'm pretty sure everything's going to be okay with the inauguration, because...
	Crazy things only happen on show days.
	It doesn't happen on an off show day.
	So yes, it should be fantastic observation.
	It should be okay.
	Yeah.
	But the narrative, if that's what you want to call it, that the certainly the mainstream media here in the United States of Gitmo nation has been pushing is illegitimate.
	Illegitimate.
	And, yes, we're already talking impeachment.
	Have you...
	I'm sure you...
	I actually...
	I got a number of these things.
	I don't have any of the impeachment clips because those are stupid.
	Yeah, the...
	Well, the impeachment stuff kind of all flows out of shoeless Joe Jackson there.
	What's his name?
	John...
	John Lewis.
	John Lewis.
	Yeah.
	Sheila's Joe Jackson.
	Exactly.
	Who has come out and has called the president-elect an illegitimate candidate.
	And people are taking this very seriously because, of course, he is a very serious guy.
	He was in Selma and he was a...
	Qualification enough.
	Yeah.
	Actually, maybe I'll start with this.
	Because...
	Let me see.
	Here, let me get the impeachment thing.
	That's probably the best place to start.
	So we have...
	Where are we?
	Here we go.
	This is Chris Matthews on MSNBC, and he is...
	Who is he talking to here?
	Let me see.
	Well, let's talk about where that leads.
	Oh, yes.
	This is Maxine Waters.
	Yes.
	The worst.
	But when you hear her...
	Another fine example of parallel universes.
	You know I love them.
	Well, let's talk about where that leads to, Congresswoman.
	You've raised a good point here.
	I guess for you, it is important.
	If we find out that somebody on behalf of Donald Trump was on the phone or in email relations with somebody in Russia or the ambassador to America from Russia, and there was some sort of, as you call it, collusion, then what?
	Does that make Trump subject to impeachment?
	What do you mean by not legitimate?
	Just generally what you mean by the term.
	If you find out there was a connection, there was collusion.
	Your turn.
	Well, here's what I'm trying to get to.
	If we discover that Donald Trump or his advocates played a role in helping to devise strategy, if they're the ones who came up with crooked Hillary, if they're the ones who came up with she's ill, something's wrong with her energy, and the way that he Basically, you know, described her in the campaign.
	I think that is something that would put the question squarely on the table whether or not he should be impeached.
	Is this woman insane?
	That is insane.
	So if Hillary Clinton had won, then Donald Trump could have gone, or the Republicans could have gone for impeachment because they called Trump Hitler.
	I mean...
	Is she for real?
	And she's an actual representative of...
	Yeah, she's actually voted in.
	I think she's the competent woman.
	Chuck Todd of MSNBC spoke directly to Shoeless John Lewis about this issue.
	Can you imagine ever sharing a stage with Donald Trump?
	Donald Trump came to you and said, you know, I want forgiveness here.
	I want your trust or I want your, you know, would you take him to Selma?
	Well, like going to Selma, like President Bush, President Clinton, President Obama, maybe he would learn something.
	Maybe he would get religion.
	So you would bring him?
	You would do that for him if he asked?
	Well, I would not invite him to come.
	You wouldn't invite him.
	But if he asked to come, would you let him?
	I wouldn't try to do anything to prevent him from coming.
	If he's not a legitimately elected president in your mind, there are tools that Congress has.
	Tools.
	Do you think Congress should use those tools?
	Are you one of those that believe the impeachment process should be?
	Are you talking about McCain?
	I'm sorry?
	No, he's talking about impeachment as a tool.
	Oh, I thought he was talking about McCain and Lindsay.
	No, he said there are tools.
	He said tools.
	You think Congress should use those tools?
	Are you one of those that believe that the impeachment process should begin?
	Well, I truly believe that we should find out what happened and how it happened.
	John McCain wants a special committee.
	I agree with Senator McCain.
	Yeah, hell freezes over.
	We got John Lewis agreeing with John McCain.
	Now, I have a three-part short clip from former Black Panther Mason Weaver.
	Are you familiar with Mason Weaver?
	Is he really?
	No, no.
	I've never heard of him.
	Okay.
	Well, he was on with Tucker Carlson.
	And he has a lot to say about John Lewis, which some of it, certainly in the second clip, we have discussed many times on this program.
	But he has a very different view of who John Lewis really is.
	Now, he is heralded, without a doubt, as the civil rights guru, correct?
	Yes.
	No.
	Everyone's talking about how you cannot say anything to him.
	He's the anointed one.
	You can't...
	Beyond reproach.
	There you go.
	That's the word.
	He's beyond reproach, except for the Black Panthers, who also happen to be in a lot of those protests with John Lewis.
	Here is former Black Panther Mason Weaver.
	In the early 70s and late 60s, we were demonstrating and protesting for the right to compete as adult citizens in America.
	We were not demonstrating to be taken care of better.
	Now, Congressman Lewis...
	He marched across the Pettus Bridge, and they beat him and ran over him.
	But those were Democrats.
	It was Democrats.
	George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse yard.
	It was Democrats, Bull Connors, that oppressed folks.
	It was Democrats that voted for the litmus test called the Illiteracy Test.
	And the poll tax.
	He was fighting Democrats.
	But after they beat us behind on that bridge and ran over him and stomped him on the ground, he got up and turned and joined them.
	He joined the oppressors and became a stool for them where he was now sitting and presiding over the destruction of the black community, the destruction of the black men, destruction of the black woman with drugs and gangs.
	He has presided over the worst school system in the world where black people are learning only to be gang-prepped.
	I'm outraged that the demonstration that he had early in his life has turned to a subligation of his rights and authority as a black leader.
	Of course, neither you nor I could say that publicly because we would be excoriated if we had no knowledge of what happened.
	This is interesting, this clip, because I'm noticing this And I think the best example, if I don't have clips, because I didn't catch it until you just played this one, now I realize it's out there, we can look for it, is to paint the Democrats as unchanged since...
	Since the Civil War, since pre-Civil War.
	Witness.
	They were the ones that were for slavery.
	They're the ones that ran out of the Southern.
	They're the plantation owners.
	They're the ones who caused the ruckus until the Republicans came along to replace the Whigs as the ones who eventually ended up freeing the slaves.
	The Democrats are...
	One of the guys...
	Mark Levin!
	Mark Levin...
	I was driving around, obviously.
	Mark Levin was on an unbelievably interesting rant that had been prepared, citing every Democrat anomaly, including rewriting the idea of the Southern strategy where Nixon and the Republicans took over the South.
	Using various kind of hidden meanings with double entendres and whatever to get to black haters.
	Well, we, of course, have discussed many times that there was this switch and we've traced some of that back to Archie Bunker and how, you know, the white collar, grouchy douchebag, racist, misogynist guy who was sitting in his armchair yelling at the TV was a Republican misogynist guy who was sitting in his armchair yelling at the TV was a Republican all of a Instead of a Democrat, which he should have been.
	Archie Bunker should have been a Democrat by all accounts.
	Witness clip two. - So when you say he's presided over, are you speaking of his congressional district?
	Not just a congressional district, but the Congressional Communist Black Caucus that has every district they own and control is a ghetto hellhole.
	It's a place that no one wants to go to.
	They're in control of every inner city school system, every inner city police, every inner city jail.
	They have produced nothing but drugs and misery.
	Black-owned businesses, black-owned housing has been reduced.
	They are presiding over the destruction of black people.
	They should be ashamed of themselves And I don't understand why any black person could be a Democrat.
	John Lewis, bless his heart, it took courage to do what he did in his early life.
	But what he has done now, he has turned himself to his enemy, like a little girl being beaten by daddy and joins daddy, like an abused woman beaten by her husband, she joins the husband.
	He has joined the enemy.
	He has joined the oppressor.
	And what he should do, if you're a real man, John Lewis, if you're a real, real hero, You stand up tomorrow morning and you look at the American people and you apologize.
	You have led them through decades of hell.
	You should apologize, say you made a mistake, say that you tried to work with them, but the Democratic Party has always been the party of abuse, always been the party of the Klan, the party that went to war to keep slaves, the party that's always been the destruction of black people.
	Mr.
	Lewis, you have presided over the destruction of black America, and you owe us an apology.
	I wish this guy wouldn't hold back, you know.
	Much better.
	I love that.
	So what is this guy's name again?
	His name is Mason Weaver.
	And while you're looking that up, here's a wrap-up clip.
	He's more concerned about Trump being the illegitimate president, but John Lewis is the illegitimate congressman.
	All I've seen is that he has gotten rich, his people have gotten poor.
	The Black Caucus has gotten more power and influence.
	And the black people they're presiding over has gotten poorer.
	More drugs, more gangs, less business, less home ownership, less education, more jail, more drugs.
	The worse black people are, the poorer we are, the stronger the Congressional Black Caucus is.
	The more powerful Democrats are, the worse off black people are.
	I'm just saying as a citizen of America, looking around my country, I'm saying that every place you find black people and Democrats, you find poverty.
	You find disgrace.
	You find a degradation.
	You find no jobs.
	You find a place that is utterly unlivable.
	That's his legacy.
	Woo!
	All right.
	Good one.
	And did you find out more about him?
	No, I'm still looking.
	Oh, okay.
	He's got a Twitter account, though.
	Let's go look at that.
	I thought that was...
	We've talked about the Democratic Party in that way and their history, and maybe the history will now be discussed a little bit more.
	Maybe.
	Maybe it's coming to the forefront.
	Fox News.
	I don't know about anywhere else.
	In fact, I've noticed a lot in this rift, in this split of the universe, the most apparent and really the The most disturbing rifts are between black people, black Americans.
	It's actually very entertaining.
	You see a lot of it.
	I have kind of a fun one.
	By the way, just as an aside, somebody pointed out the rift actually started to become bigger and bigger when they started the Hadron Collider.
	Once they flipped that thing back on, everyone went nutty.
	I know!
	I know.
	I'm all in on that.
	You know me.
	So president-elect had, of course, he's nominated or appointed Ben Carson as the Housing and Urban Development Secretary. he's nominated or appointed Ben Carson as the Housing and And Ben's been having a tough time getting confirmed.
	The clips are too boring to play, but if you haven't seen it, they're definitely picking on him a little bit.
	And as a part of Carson doing that, Trump also invited Steve Harvey, the comedian and game show host.
	What I think a lot of people don't know about Steve Harvey is that he's a huge philanthropist.
	He has a sizable foundation with his wife.
	I looked at the 990, and they did in 2014.
	I haven't seen 2015 and 2016 yet.
	I did $2.5 million, and it's all from, you know, reasonably mediocre donations, but he gets from BET, and, you know, he gets from Coca-Cola, and so, you know, it's not like total douchebag money.
	No, it's not like the way Sharpton does it.
	Yeah, well, I have a Sharpton clip, too.
	He also was homeless for three years.
	And he's been very, very instrumental in working, certainly with kids in the inner cities, and the inner cities in general.
	Yeah, he's a game show host, but this is...
	I knew this.
	I thought it was pretty well known about him.
	Apparently, on CNN, they don't.
	And here we go.
	Now, there's...
	There's four people in this segment.
	Three of them are black.
	The one that's white doesn't even talk.
	That is the lawyer girl.
	What's her name?
	Kaylee.
	Kaylee McEnany.
	We have Mark Lamont Hill.
	And just listen.
	You got this clip.
	I congratulate you.
	Thank you.
	I've heard about this clip.
	Not about the clip that you just made, but I've heard about what you're going to play, because I know what it is, because the right-wing talk show guys have gone ballistic over this.
	Well, I don't know if it's the clip you're talking about, but here we go.
	I'm sure it is.
	Harvey went to Trump Tower.
	It's taking a lot of backlash for a meeting with the president-elect.
	What do you make of this controversy?
	My disagreement is the way in which he's being used by folk like Donald Trump.
	Again, his intention is just to have a seat at the table.
	But when you're at the table, you should have experts at the table.
	You should have people who can challenge the president at the table.
	I don't care if Steve's there, but if I'm Steve Harvey, I'm bringing Michelle Alexander.
	I'm bringing Cornel West.
	I'm bringing Imani Perry.
	I'm bringing Eddie Glaude.
	I'm bringing Michael Eric Dyson.
	I'm bringing some folk with me who can challenge the president and inform the conversation.
	Otherwise, you're just being...
	Bruce, why are you saying, oh my God?
	Let me real quick, because they keep bringing up comedians and actors and athletes to represent black interests is demeaning, it's disrespectful, and it's condescending.
	Bring some people up there with some expertise, Donald Trump.
	Don't just bring up people to entertain.
	Mark, you weren't even there.
	You didn't even know what happened, okay?
	Yes, I do.
	Are you disagreeing that he brought Donald Trump?
	You weren't in the room, sir.
	You weren't there.
	How does that negate my point that he brought Steve Harvey and then put him in front of the cameras?
	Pastor Darrell Scott, Michael Cohen, they are in a process of bringing all types of people from all over the country, from all different backgrounds, like we have the member of the diversity coalition where we reach out to all different types of people.
	It was a bunch of mediocre negroes being dragged in front of TV as a...
	That's really the beauty part here.
	A bunch of mediocre Negroes being dragged in front of the TV. But he's also referring to all the Negroes that have been dragged there.
	They're all mediocre Negroes.
	Including Jim Brown, the football player, who everybody respects.
	He's also unassailable.
	Mediocre.
	Who could also beat the crap out of this guy.
	Mediocre Negroes.
	That's crazy.
	Being dragged in front of TV as a photo op for Donald Trump's exploitative campaign against black people.
	And you are a prime example.
	How are you going to...
	So now you want a name-call, Mark?
	No!
	You better jump in if you want to talk.
	Now you want a name-call.
	I'm not a name-call.
	Let's back Mark up here, because Mark's making an important point.
	Mark is not making an important point.
	Mark is just talking.
	Black people are diverse, okay?
	And for Donald Trump to only engage actors and comedians and, you know, reality-type folks, he is not engaging with the diversity of black people in America.
	So, again, I would like to see Donald Trump bring some policy analysts, some real people who have some meat on the bones for the issues to the table.
	Danged if you do.
	You've got 10 seconds, Bruce.
	He ain't done.
	What do you mean, danged if you do?
	He ain't done.
	That is the point.
	You can actually bring qualified people.
	Bruce is an expert and he brought Bruce in.
	No, it's not.
	Fine.
	How come the Democrat side of this debate has no problem with all these know-nothing celebrities coming forward And expressing themselves, and they never complain about that.
	It's because of the split in the universe.
	You see it completely different.
	But I think most egregiously is that Harvey, he's quite a philanthropist in his own right, and he's worked a lot with inner cities, and so it would be perfect.
	He's one of those guys that just works his butt off.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's got more than the game show, too.
	He's got a talk show.
	Oh, he's got tons of stuff.
	Quite good.
	Yeah.
	Just like, wow, man.
	Ugh.
	He's a mediocre Negro, apparently.
	That is too funny.
	Mark Lamont Hill is going to eat crap for saying that.
	He should.
	He should.
	Mediocre Negro.
	Mark Lamont Hill started off...
	We could have no agenda t-shirts for our black listeners.
	Mediocre Negro.
	It's great.
	It would sell.
	Yeah.
	Mark Lamont Hill really got his start with, well, he was a professor someplace.
	He got his start with O'Reilly on Fox.
	Uh-huh.
	O'Reilly would bring him on as the counter-argument, and he's always remarkable for being extremely fast on his feet.
	A fast talker, he's actually slowed down a lot.
	A fast talker, a quick thinker, and he was very good.
	Nobody could really deal with him.
	And then he got the idea, I think, that he's a celebrity.
	And he started doing, he kind of split off from Fox and wanted to get, I think he was at one point trying to get his own show.
	And, you know, he really takes himself very seriously as a great pundit.
	But, you know, everybody screws up.
	I think it was a screw-up.
	I think he's going to pay for it, for sure.
	Yeah.
	For sure.
	It's like the deplorables comment, you know, that Valerie made.
	Yeah, I'm right.
	Just a bad, bad idea.
	So people are already gearing up in D.C. for tomorrow's J-20.
	Which will be followed by J-21.
	Right.
	It will be, actually.
	There's two different movements.
	Sharpton's already there with his...
	What's his foundation called again?
	The Coalition to...
	Action Network.
	That's the one.
	Here he is.
	We've called this march on four non-negotiable issues.
	All right.
	You got a pen?
	Yeah.
	Let's write it down.
	Four non-negotiable issues.
	Voting rights.
	Voting rights.
	We already have that.
	So that number one is checked off.
	Okay, good to go.
	Let's ring the bell.
	Criminal justice and police reform.
	Criminal justice and police.
	Well, I think criminal justice reform is already taking place.
	No, it's just beginning.
	Okay.
	Equal and fair economic justice.
	Oh.
	Equal and fair economic justice.
	I don't know what economic justice is.
	That means everybody has money.
	Okay.
	Economic justice and the Affordable Care Act.
	We come to Washington from all over this country.
	And some of us went to Sanford, Florida and stood up for Trayvon Martin.
	And we're going to stand up for Ed Garner.
	And we're going to stand up for Walter Scott.
	And there's maybe 50 people standing in front of him.
	The crowd is quite small.
	It's raining.
	And people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And we're going to stand up for Tamir Rice.
	You may switch presidents, but we're just going to switch legs and keep on marching.
	We won't back down.
	We won't be trapped.
	I have a feeling that'll make it insane What is he saying?
	Dropped?
	We won't be trumped.
	We won't be trumped.
	I have a feeling...
	What?
	Say it again.
	It hardly sounds like that.
	We won't be trumped.
	Sounds like trapped.
	No, he's saying trumped.
	We won't be trumped.
	We won't be trumped.
	I have a feeling that'll show up in the end of show mix one of these days.
	Uh-huh.
	Now, so the J-20 I want to talk about in a moment, but first for the 21st, this is the Big Women's March, which is getting a little complicated.
	Yeah, with no whites allowed.
	Well, yeah, black activists are telling white women who are also marching they need to check their privilege.
	So there could be some rifts.
	They don't know where to check it.
	There's no booth.
	They won't be there.
	There may be some rifts internally.
	One of the co-organizers of this march, that's the Muslima, as we would say in Europe.
	She was on MSNBC again, just to kind of reiterate in this short clip.
	January 21st, what's the first thing you want either President Trump at that time or the Senate or, as you were mentioning, the House to do for all of these marchers?
	Because you have a sense of what the pulse is from the marchers.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, first of all, hands off the Affordable Care Act.
	We need our health insurance.
	Hands off Planned Parenthood and our reproductive rights.
	Hands off Muslims.
	Hands off the undocumented.
	Those are really our top messaging lines.
	Hands off our Native American sisters and brothers.
	You will see a plethora of speakers reflecting.
	Isn't it plethora?
	Is it plethora?
	Is that the correct pronunciation?
	I would pronounce it plethora.
	I say plethora.
	Plethora.
	It may be acceptable.
	I'd have to look it up.
	It's possible.
	There's multiple pronunciations for a lot of words.
	It kind of sounds cool, actually, plethora.
	Plethora?
	Sounds like a science fiction character.
	There's a plethora of controversies about, I tell you.
	We'll see a plethora of speakers reflecting all the progressive and social justice issues in this country.
	What?
	All, John, all the progressive and social justice issues.
	Every single one of them.
	Hands off everything.
	You will see a plethora of speakers reflecting all the progressive and social justice issues in this country.
	It's, again, one of the most intersectional movements and marches that you have ever seen.
	Intersectional movement.
	Yeah, it's the intersectional thing again, which means everybody's there and no one will agree.
	That's pretty much the way I see it.
	Hello.
	I clipped that for you.
	Hello, my friend.
	It's me.
	It's me.
	Do it, John.
	Do it, do it, do it.
	Hello, it's me.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Let's do it right.
	All right.
	Ladies and gentlemen, I present Chauncey Dvorak and Adele.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	It's me.
	It's me.
	And here I sit on the stoop.
	Beautiful.
	Like a bee.
	Oh, beautiful.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	That was worth ten minutes of clipping that.
	The women of The View, my beat, short clip, don't worry.
	They were all wearing their pussy hats.
	Have you seen the pussy hats?
	Oh, God.
	What is wrong with these people?
	There's a lot.
	A lot is wrong.
	Welcome back.
	So, you'll notice a couple of us were in pink hat.
	Yeah, I can't mess up my hair.
	She can't mess up her hair.
	But, you know, Saturday there's this gigantic woman's march in Washington.
	And as it turns out, it's not just Washington.
	It's all over the country.
	So, you know, we're wearing pink hat.
	What's that?
	Is there going to be no petite women or normal size?
	Washington, it's all over the country.
	So, you know, we're wearing pink hats in celebration of this march of women who are not holding anybody down.
	And we want you to know that we want you to have a great day, whatever day you pick, and take a little time to enjoy the view.
	Oh, yes.
	Enjoy the view, everybody.
	What has happened definitely is a lot of women's organizations are asking for money.
	There's just tons of money requests coming in.
	Certainly for the March on the 21st.
	What is going on in D.C., it's like they're just partying.
	No, seriously, because I looked at the rundown.
	Let me see, I have it here somewhere.
	Yeah, here it is.
	The rundown.
	And, you know, there's all kinds of tranny parties and dress-up parties and woo!
	And we're going crazy parties and outrageous dress parties and, you know, just everyone's free and crazy and we don't care parties.
	Which, yeah, I mean, I know lots of people in the gay and lesbian and transgender community.
	They love to party.
	They love to dance.
	That's the way they protest.
	Meanwhile, the J-20 is...
	It seems to be more depressed.
	The J-20 is sponsored 100% by the World Workers Party.
	Oh, yeah, that operation.
	That's the same as A-N-S-W-E-R. Yeah, yeah.
	And a bunch of other movements.
	The guys are...
	Out of New York.
	They have a lot of websites that are...
	Yeah, the main one is workers.org, though.
	That's the main one.
	And they are old-time socialists, a Bernie Sanders-type socialist from the 20s and 30s.
	Yeah, and they're really about socialism.
	Real socialism.
	Yeah, the real deal.
	And they're the ones handing out the signs.
	They're the ones that are setting everything up.
	And it's interesting, though.
	I got an email from...
	Because I subscribe to all these newsletters if I can.
	I got an email from them asking for money.
	And I find it rather odd because they had a GoFundMe.
	The goal was $10,000.
	And as of this morning, was it like $3,000?
	I'm not quite sure why they were even asking for that in that manner.
	Because they seem to have plenty of money.
	I don't know if that was just...
	I have no idea.
	Yeah, I really, really don't understand.
	Something's up.
	Yeah.
	Of course...
	We have some counter actions going on and this is the bikers for Trump who have taken it upon themselves to make sure that there can be no disruptions.
	I know some of these guys.
	Certainly the Rolling Thunder New Jersey, or I think it's Rolling Thunder New Jersey 2 or something like that.
	Let's listen to one of the spokesguys for the Bikers for Trump on, I think, Fox.
	That sounds like a confrontation to me, Chris.
	Well, the bikers are certainly used to being outnumbered.
	I'm sorry for this audio.
	That's not me.
	It's just how it came in.
	And we are prepared to form a wall of meat.
	But we're confident that law enforcement will learn their lessons.
	That's it.
	He'll come back to that.
	In Chicago and in Arizona.
	And if it's anything like it was in Cleveland, they're going to have to...
	They're gonna have things under control.
	We're anticipating a celebration here.
	We don't anticipate any problems.
	We have a strict code of conduct where we don't condone violence.
	But again, in the event that we're needed, you can certainly count on the Bikers for Trump to form a wall of meat.
	A wall of meat, that's an interesting phrase, right?
	I believe you're going to be vastly outnumbered.
	Anti-Trump groups are reserving, in terms of parking spaces, I understand, they've got far more than the pro-Trump people.
	Is that accurate?
	Well, again, we're used to being outnumbered, and we're very confident.
	Our group is full of, you know, the backbone of the biker community is the veteran.
	And so these are guys that aren't really used to backing down.
	But, you know, you certainly won't see bikers out there screaming, calling for the destruction of private property or the death of police officers.
	We're going to be throwing the halftime inauguration rally at John Marshall Park that will kick off shortly after Donald Trump exits the stage to go into the Capitol and it will end shortly before the parade on Pennsylvania Avenue.
	Why are you such a big supporter of Donald Trump?
	Well, like Donald Trump, the biker has an outspoken nature.
	And so, as Donald Trump came onto the political scene, the biker was looking for someone outside the establishment.
	Someone that was going to stand up and call it what it is.
	Radical Islam is one of the...
	Biggest talking points of Bikers for Trump.
	Illegal immigration and one of our sweet spots is getting behind the American veteran.
	We believe it's incumbent upon all who understand the value and the sacrifice of our servicemen and women that we are there for them.
	And we've got to change these policies now.
	All right, Chris Cox, thanks very much for joining us.
	That should be an interesting showdown, because I've got to tell you.
	Yeah, it usually involves stabbings.
	Yeah, I point to Exhibit A, Gimme Shelter, the movie, if you want to know what could happen.
	Just ask Mick Jagger.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, I don't know, man.
	I don't know if this is...
	I don't know what's going to happen.
	Although I do know that...
	And I didn't clip it because it was so stupid.
	But Tucker Carlson had the guy on who posted the ad.
	If you go fight against Trump and I'll pay you $500 a month.
	The money baloney guy.
	The guy's discredited.
	Tucker made fun of him.
	It was pretty good, actually.
	He kept talking about...
	What's the quarterback's name?
	Well, hold on.
	Tom Brady.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	He had the last name right.
	No, he had the last name right, but he messed up the...
	Oh, Peyton Manning.
	Manning, yeah.
	He wanted to say Chelsea Manning, but he kept saying Peyton Manning.
	Yeah.
	So I didn't even clip that.
	It was just too stupid.
	So that was debunked properly.
	That was very good.
	And, you know, I think...
	I don't know how long Tucker Carlson can keep up this torrid pace.
	What's making that show work, you know, everyone likes to credit Tucker, but it's actually the booker.
	Yes, of course.
	He's got a really good booker.
	Yeah, he's got a great booker, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And we should credit her or him on the show sometime.
	We should find out who it is.
	Yeah.
	Because that's the person, the unsung hero.
	Yeah, they are the unsung hero.
	It's the booker.
	You don't have a good booker, you suck.
	And it's you that suck.
	But it's not you at all.
	Well, Obama did have, you know, he had his last, supposedly, I don't know how many last press conferences he's going to have.
	Well, no, this was, he had his last speech, and now this is the last press conference.
	Yeah, I thought that he already had a last press conference.
	No, no, it was a speech with questions, you see.
	It's very different.
	Well, he had this last press conference.
	I didn't get much of that one clip out of it that I thought was interesting.
	Ah, yes.
	Is that Trump apparently, when he gets in, he's maybe going to kick the press corps out of the White House.
	Well, the idea, and I have a follow-up clip to this, the idea is to make more space for more people, for more journalists, and if you look at, and I, of course, I watch it every day, if you look at the current press corps, It's very small.
	It's packed.
	People are fainting from time to time.
	But of course, this would be moving to the building next door, and that is obviously seen as usurping the power of the press.
	The fourth estate.
	Whatever you want to call it.
	Well, Obama made this fantastic plea, and I think the only thing I can think of That would be behind the plea.
	And he does it in an offhanded way.
	He's really good at saying one thing but directing it at somebody that nobody knows.
	Play this clip and I have some thoughts on this.
	And you have done that.
	And having you in this building has made...
	This place worked better.
	It keeps us honest.
	It makes us work harder.
	No it doesn't.
	You have made us think about how we are doing what we do and whether or not we're able to deliver on what's been requested by our constituents.
	But there's a difference between that normal functioning of politics and Certain issues or certain moments where I think our core values may be at stake.
	Our core values may be at stake, John.
	I'll tell you why.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I know you want to hear what you have to say, but let me just add to this a quick clip from Josh Earnest addressing the same issue.
	I pulled him through the Earnest filter, so I shortened as many spaces as I could.
	Thanks.
	I alluded to this in my long comments at the beginning about how the United States has a rather unique arrangement between our government and the independent media.
	Mainly by making them not independent.
	Well, that's a fact.
	The fact that all of you represent independent news organizations and have regular access to the White House.
	Owned by three corporations.
	Have regular access to workspace where you can do your job.
	Oh, they have a workspace, John.
	They'll have no workspace, I'm sure, in the new building.
	Have a venue where you can enter the room, the briefing room, at almost any hour.
	That would not change, I don't think.
	And can hold people in power accountable.
	It's really important.
	Oh, yeah.
	Isn't that what the whole point is?
	You also have access to senior White House officials right through that door.
	Oh!
	Right up the ramp outside that door, you can come into my office.
	Yeah, good luck.
	I'm sure.
	I'm sure you can just burst through, like on the West Wing.
	Hey!
	Hey, CJ! Let me ask you a question.
	At a moment's notice.
	To ask questions and demand answers and demand transparency.
	Sure.
	Uh-huh.
	And as I mentioned earlier...
	Sometimes that's a little inconvenient.
	Sometimes it's uncomfortable.
	Sometimes it's frustrating because you're dissatisfied with the answer that we've given.
	But it's necessary for the success of our democracy.
	No, it's not.
	I think there are some people who might say, John, that, well, this is...
	It's just symbolic that you have the White House press corps in the White House.
	And I would say it's a really important symbol.
	It's more than just symbolism.
	It's supposed to be some guy's house.
	Hold on, it's almost done.
	But even taking that argument at face value, there is something symbolically important about all of you gathering here every single day to hold people in power accountable, to demand answers, to demand transparency, to demand facts.
	And your ability to do that is going to be affected if you don't have regular access to the White House, if you're not able to do your job from the White House, and if there's not a natural, readily available venue for you to hold senior officials accountable.
	And this is, again, a relationship that President Obama believed was important to invest in.
	Sure.
	He made this a priority.
	Sure.
	Sure he did.
	It's a priority to have him in there.
	Yeah.
	Priority.
	Why?
	Why?
	I know why.
	It's the only possible reason they make such a fuss.
	And I guess Trump was never right in on it.
	The place is bugged.
	Well, they can bug the executive.
	No, they bugged that press room.
	That thing is so bugged, it's probably every network connection because they can put their little computers in there and everything else.
	They're spying on these guys.
	Of course, it's all set.
	Oh man, we gotta move all the mics and the taps and the...
	Yeah.
	The Ethernet...
	Why else would you make such a fuss?
	Oh, so they can be close.
	So they can drop in on us at a moment's notice, and so we have to answer their poignant questions.
	That's bullcrap.
	That is not what the resistance thinks this is about.
	You are aware of the resistance, I presume.
	I have heard of them.
	I don't know.
	Why do they think this is all about?
	Okay.
	Well, first, the resistance, which now this came up on a face bag post.
	Tina, she was sad she did it.
	But she's learning.
	She posted the second Project Veritas video where you hear these disruptors saying, ah, we're going to go throw butyric acid into the press club so it'll stink it up and we're going to chain trains and block tracks and all this stuff.
	They'll do nothing.
	And one of the commenters on her post actually said, I don't see what's wrong with it.
	This is just like the French resistance against Hitler.
	Take that in for a second.
	Wow.
	Take that in for a second.
	And this is a meme, and the resistance is something that people are talking about on the bag, for sure.
	And, of course, that is led by no one less than Keith Olbermann.
	I'm Keith Olbermann, and this is The Resistance.
	Trump's banana Republicans have proposed that White House press briefings be moved out of the presidential mansion and held next door at the executive office building, and why should you care for one damned minute?
	Reince Priebus says it's a great thing because the result would be, quote, about quadrupling the amount of reporters that can cover the White House.
	And certainly that sounds like a wonderful intensification of the bright, shining light of a Democratic free press on the operation of the commander-in-chief and his noble staff.
	The more, the better, right?
	Just the way it works in Russia.
	A giant crowd of reporters screaming for the leader's attention, making signs indicating what organization they belong to, and even signs and props indicating what questions they intend to ask.
	Some of them showing exactly the kind of objectivity and respectful skepticism a free press is supposed to bring to the coverage of government at its highest levels.
	And yes, she's a self-described journalist at a Putin news conference holding a picture of Putin ripping off his shirt to indicate he's actually Superman.
	We're just a few steps removed from the contestants trying to get MC Monty Hall's attention during a taping of the old game show Let's Make a Deal.
	This guy needs some new cultural references, I think.
	I don't know the last time anything at a White House news conference or anything done by a White House correspondent actually contributed anything measurable to the coverage of a president.
	Not since Sam Donaldson used to make news by bellowing questions at Ronald Reagan and Reagan condemning himself by refusing to answer them.
	I also think that if traditional journalism contributes in any way to the prevention of dictatorship here and now, it will be by the grunt work, fact-checking the White House news conferences and revealing legislation and departmental orders and checking legalities and confronting an administration's lies with facts.
	The next Woodward and Bernstein will get there not at the news conferences, but by skill at filing Freedom of Information Act requests.
	But the idea of quadrupling the amount of reporters that can cover the White House is a Trojan horse with a lot of Trojans in it.
	Firstly, there is the Putin-like spectacle.
	The bigger the room, the more room for staffers and hangers-on, and for want of a better term, Trump plants.
	Trump gave this stunt away at last week's news conference.
	He packed the place with people applauding for him.
	And they have as much right to be at a presidential news conference as would people booing him.
	And that amount of people is none.
	Quadrupling the number of so-called reporters at the news conferences, and you have suddenly created another stop on the Trump perpetual campaign rally tour.
	Quadruple the number of so-called reporters at the news conferences, and you suddenly make it easier to ignore the reporters with actual questions, as opposed to the ones carrying signs showing Trump wearing a Superman shirt.
	Okay, so you get the idea, the whole thinking.
	Yeah, we can keep that guy to a minimum on the show.
	Yeah, but it was about the resistance part, and then they, the resistance, believes this is about making more room for shills.
	Yeah.
	Shills.
	And it's very much like...
	Putin!
	It's modeled after Putin, you see.
	Luckily...
	I'm telling you, it's the bugs in the building.
	I like that.
	I like the theory.
	It's probably not even a theory.
	It's right.
	Well, it's not unusual.
	I mean...
	Lyndon B. Johnson bugged his Oval Office.
	I mean, they used to do this constantly.
	And it's nothing new to the idea.
	It's not that it's a stunning idea.
	It's just so obvious.
	Luckily, Jake Tapper, of course, he was fired from ABC News after he was a douchebag to the president.
	We all remember that.
	He went on Seth Meyers' show, a Trump hater, although I kind of like his show.
	It's just tiring.
	Yeah, you can watch it for a few shows in a row, and then it's like, well, wait a minute, there's a repeating material here.
	Yeah, a closer look.
	It is very much of a just Trump hate.
	Yeah.
	Here's Tapper on Seth Meyers talking about the relationship, which we just heard was so fantastic, and President Obama actually encouraged everything, and he set everything up, and it was great, and we loved the press.
	It's interesting also because I remember when the WikiLeaks happened.
	Yeah, this is about WikiLeaks, too.
	I was a White House correspondent like you, Margaret, and I remember the White House was so outraged.
	They were so angry.
	They were so convinced that these reams...
	I'm sorry, this isn't the Seth Meyers thing.
	Eh, that's not the one I want.
	That's a different one.
	Hold on, Seth, here it is.
	Seth Meyers.
	This is one of the things that happened during the first Obama term.
	And I'm not saying these things are equivalent.
	But the Obama White House went to war against Fox News.
	And they tried to say that the entire organization was illegitimate.
	And it wasn't, you know, this anchor is a jerk or this story is a lie or whatever.
	It was this entire organization, including hundreds of reporters and producers who were just doing honest work.
	People I knew, Major Garrett, Brett Baer, people who were good reporters.
	And When they were doing that, I challenged them for that, specifically because it's an important principle to stand up for.
	We're all supposed to be in this together, and you can't just say, well, CNN... If you're with an organization that's not CNN, and you watch them just destroy us, or try to destroy us, just because they don't like the story, which is, again, proven to be completely true, then you're next.
	You're next if you're doing your job and you have a story that they don't like.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we remember that.
	I remember that.
	Yeah, I remember it.
	President Obama was saying, Fox News is crap.
	Can't watch Fox News.
	It's horrible.
	That's fake.
	It's no good.
	They're liars.
	We could go to WikiLeaks now.
	And actually more Chelsea Manning.
	But I have something that popped up this morning, which was very...
	A very dark piece on CNN. Actually, it's beautiful.
	It's a promotion for entertainment, of course.
	You always have to throw an entertainment promotion there.
	And it is putting some fear in there.
	Really, what the question here is, what happens if there's a terrorist attack during the inauguration and everybody's wiped out?
	I mean, these are the things you should ask if you're CNN, of course.
	If everybody's wiped out, then what happens?
	Who's in line?
	Who is next?
	Who will actually become the president?
	Somehow Biden gets in.
	No, it could be worse, actually.
	And as I said, it'll flow into a nice promotional piece for Designated Survivor, which is on ABC. But this is a CNN piece.
	Who is the Designated Survivor if everyone dies tomorrow?
	Just about every measure of America's security apparatus, including 28,000 law enforcement personnel, will be on the ground in Washington when President Obama hands off his office to Donald Trump on Friday, a near army in place to protect the leaders of all branches of government gathered in one place outside.
	And while officials stress there's no specific, credible threat to this inauguration, tonight, due to a quirk in America's rules for succession, questions remain about just who would be in charge if an attack hit the incoming president, vice president, and congressional leaders, just as the transfer of power is underway.
	Here you have a very confusing line of succession.
	According to the Constitution, if the President and Vice President are killed or incapacitated, next in line is the House Speaker, then the President pro tempore of the Senate.
	But what if something happened to them at the inauguration too?
	After that, it goes down the list of cabinet secretaries, starting with Secretary of State.
	On the day of the inauguration, as a precaution, a cabinet secretary called the designated presidential successor will not attend the inauguration, ready to step in if something happens.
	But it won't be a Trump cabinet secretary, since none of them have been confirmed yet.
	It will be an Obama appointee.
	No word from the White House on who that will be on Friday.
	Does the line of succession switch to the new president's lineup at noon?
	In the inauguration, you have two lines of succession.
	One for the Barack Obama administration, which is still in place, and one which really won't be in place until Donald Trump is inaugurated, comes into office, and actually formally nominates, and the Senate confirms his people.
	You might actually end up with a president from the prior administration because of a tragedy.
	Adding to the confusion by noon Friday.
	Did you hear what was in the background of that clip?
	If you listen again.
	So while they're saying, while the guy's talking, there's a clip of President Obama being inaugurated the first time.
	No, the third time.
	And they cut him.
	He says, I will faithfully execute.
	And they cut him off right there.
	That's just weird.
	Just like a minor thing.
	Listen again.
	You can hear it in the background.
	You actually end up with a president from the prior administration because of a tragedy.
	Adding to the confusion, by noon Friday, all of Obama's Cabinet Secretaries are expected to resign.
	John Kerry, the current Secretary of State, would be the first Cabinet Secretary in the line of succession, but he's out of office by noon.
	Donald Trump's pick for Secretary of State Rex Tillerson may not be confirmed for another week or two.
	So who would be Secretary of State on Friday afternoon?
	According to State Department sources, the job would fall to the highest ranking non-political official in the department, the Under Secretary for Political Affairs, Tom Shannon.
	One of the most obscure possibilities is that someone who is an acting Secretary of State, someone lower down the line in the Secretary of State State Department today, assumes the acting Secretary of State position is in the line and the worst happens and that person becomes president at least for a while.
	The uncertainty creates the potential for chaos, high theater, or a hit TV drama.
	Sir, you are now the president of the United States.
	In ABC's designated survivor, Kiefer Sutherland plays an obscure cabinet secretary, unexpectedly thrust...
	No, you get the idea.
	So, first of all, wow.
	Who decided to put this together?
	Maybe it's a native ad for ABC. That's the only thing I could think of, because it keeps on going and going about the ABC show.
	Which is okay.
	I mean, I've seen it.
	A couple episodes.
	I was following it for a bit, and I got bored of it.
	It's not watchable.
	Yeah, not really.
	Well, they thought that was good to put in there, I guess.
	Well, let's transfer this discussion to Manning.
	Yeah, good.
	To Peyton Manning.
	Peyton Manning.
	Now, it's a shame he retired.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I was thinking Chelsea Manning.
	Can I have just a quick precursor?
	I'll just play like 30 seconds.
	The news media had this a week ago.
	Because all of a sudden they started talking about it.
	This is from January 11th on NBC. Was Chelsea Manning a spy?
	She was not.
	She was an individual who I think we count on in America.
	She was a whistleblower.
	She was somebody who turns to, like so many other whistleblowers, a journalist in order to reveal information that the American public not only should know but needs to know.
	Army Reserve Officer David Coombs was Manning's defense lawyer.
	He convinced her to plead guilty to numerous counts.
	So that goes on and on and on, and they talk about possible pardon.
	And this was a week ago, all over the news media.
	I'm pretty sure it was leaked.
	Maybe, maybe to give them more credibility, like, oh, I'll give you guys something that'll actually happen.
	I think it would be less, more likely to do that to see what the reaction would be.
	Ah, as a trial balloon.
	Good idea.
	But I didn't expect the reaction to be so screwy.
	I mean, I have a series of clips, but I have the short clip of Obama announcing it.
	And then it doesn't really say that much.
	Although, he makes one point in there that the Republicans don't seem to accept.
	First of all, let's be clear, Chelsea Manning has served a tough prison sentence.
	So the notion that the average person who was thinking about disclosing vital classified information would think that it goes unpunished, I don't think would get that impression from the sentence that Chelsea Manning has served.
	It has been my view that given she went to trial, that Due process was carried out, that she took responsibility for her crime,
	that the sentence that she received was very disproportionate relative to what other leakers had received.
	And the points he's making in there were directed at Snowden.
	Oh, yeah.
	And this whole thing, in fact, NBC, who I now think is pretty much carrying the ball for the agency, the intelligence community, more so than CBS, I think had probably done the best job of kind of presenting it as something that's okay now that we can do this.
	And I have a couple of clips.
	There's the NBC on Manning clip.
	And then I think you would follow that with the Snowden angle.
	But just play NBC on Manning.
	Sorry.
	Vice tried to commit suicide last year.
	She is currently incarcerated in the male military prison at Leavenworth, Kansas.
	Was the government able to point to any specific damage as a result of the releases from Chelsea Manning?
	No, they were not.
	And we had secret sessions of the court-martial.
	Where that would be the place that the government would do that.
	And the answer was no.
	What they would be able to show, and what they did show, was certain diplomats had their feelings hurt.
	Certain countries were upset.
	Manning's 35-year sentence is the longest any leaker has ever received.
	But not everyone supports the decision.
	A senior U.S. official tells NBC News Secretary of Defense Ash Carter did not support the commutation.
	At her trial, Manning apologized for her actions, but that apology was never heard outside the courtroom until last week when NBC News broadcast it.
	So, interesting is it's not a pardon, but a commutation right off the bat.
	Yeah, well...
	I think they needed to make sure that she remained guilty of the charges.
	They just cut the sentence down.
	That's all it is.
	But they got her out before the 35 years for pretty much doing nothing.
	And I like the idea of this guy saying, hey, we looked at this.
	All that happened was a few diplomats' feelings were hurt.
	Feelings were hurt.
	That's the best part.
	Oh, my feelings were hurt because I was calling people douchebag.
	So NBC goes on and they associate the whole thing with Snowden eventually, but let's skip over to PBS. And they had actually a complete report.
	That wasn't too cloudy.
	President Obama today also commuted the prison sentence of Chelsea Manning for passing classified military and diplomatic files to WikiLeaks.
	The former U.S. Army intelligence analyst is serving a sentence of 35 years.
	She is one of 209 inmates who received commutations today.
	Another 64 received pardons.
	Charlie Savage is covering the story for the New York Times.
	Charlie Savage, remind us what Chelsea Manning was originally charged with.
	Hi, yes, thanks for having me on.
	So when Chelsea Manning was arrested in 2010 and charged with passing documents to WikiLeaks, she was charged with numerous accounts of violating the Espionage Act and also was charged with aiding the enemy, which is essentially the military justice system's version of treason.
	She was convicted of the Espionage Act charges, most of them, but was acquitted of aiding the enemy.
	And she was sentenced to 35 years in prison, which is dramatically longer than any other prison sentence ever carried out in the American justice system for a leak case.
	And do we know why the president decided to commute her sentence?
	So there was a briefing call with senior White House officials after these commutations and pardons were announced.
	And the senior White House official, we weren't allowed to name them under the ground rules, described a little bit of the president's thinking about this.
	He said, look, she admitted that what she had done was wrong and apologized for it and expressed remorse and has now been serving nearly seven years in prison.
	For it, and most people who have been convicted in leak cases, there's been about a dozen, most of them in the last eight years, have been sentenced to one, two, or three years, not 35.
	And so part of this was also the equity of making this sentence more in the range of what other people accused of similar conduct have received.
	So the question is, what signal does this send?
	Tonight, the Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, has issued a statement saying, quote, this is just outrageous.
	Okay.
	So let's stop there and play a douchebag for Paul Ryan.
	Douchebag!
	Why is it outrageous?
	Everybody else is, like they said, getting one, two, or three years, and she's gotten 35, and this is outrageous.
	They let her go after seven?
	The thing that gets me in this...
	And there was nothing in these releases?
	You've read them?
	They're just a bunch of dumb members.
	Hey, there's dinner tonight.
	Yeah, it's cables and people are saying, calling other people, you know, officials in their own country douchebags.
	The guy's an asshole.
	I mean, the main thing, the main thing was the video where you have the helicopter gunship with the audio of the guys.
	And I can't really blame them because it's saying, you know, they're in a war zone, but they're like, yeah, yeah, towel, get him!
	That's really...
	The optics are bad.
	Yes, very bad.
	But here's the thing.
	Chelsea Manning leaked all that information to WikiLeaks.
	So here's what's crazy.
	If you look at the bag right now, you got the bots going, oh, so fabulous!
	He's so good!
	Oh, Obama, yes, yes, yes!
	Yes, Queen, yes!
	Yes, but he has...
	But at the same time, the same people are saying, WikiLeaks is crap!
	They changed the emails!
	It's bullcrap!
	It's not legitimate!
	They have to choose one or the other.
	You know, you can't have both ways.
	Here's Jake Tapper.
	This is the clip I played earlier.
	It's interesting also because I remember when the WikiLeaks happened, I was a White House correspondent like you, Margaret, and I remember the White House was so outraged.
	They were so angry.
	They were so convinced that these reams of documents, Thousands and thousands of pages of documents, logs from Iraq, logs from Afghanistan.
	We're going to reveal to our enemies sources and methods, individuals named in these documents.
	Now, I don't know if there have actually been any victims as a result that you could clearly say this was WikiLeaks and therefore this person in Afghanistan or Iraq died.
	I don't know.
	But that's absolutely right.
	That was the argument that it had greatly compromised U.S. national security and that you had to make an example out of this sort of thing.
	And I will say that the way that Senator Cotton describes Private Manning is how the White House, when I was a White House correspondent, described Private Manning as well.
	They were furious.
	They were outraged.
	They thought that those of us in the press who were reading these WikiLeaks, that we were doing something wrong by reading them.
	And if I recall correctly, it really put WikiLeaks on the map.
	That particular case, those files made WikiLeaks famous.
	Especially the gun to ship video.
	Yeah, so, you know, it's just, if anything, this is confusing people more.
	Brains and heads are exploding everywhere because of this.
	Well, NBC, going back to NBC, they end up moving the argument, they split the argument a little bit, and they try to move it kind of to Assange, and then to Snowden.
	Of course.
	Because they want to make this association, they're really going after Snowden in another big way, and again, this is the reason we believe, or I personally believe, that the Russians are...
	Big a-hole since 2013 when this all began, the anti-Russian stuff, because of Snowden, because we don't have an extradition treaty with the Russians.
	And whose fault is that?
	But we don't.
	So the Russians really don't have any.
	They can't just grab this guy and send him off.
	I don't know what we expect, but let's play NBC on Manning-Snowden angle.
	Sources inside the intelligence community believe the reason Manning's sentence was so stiff was because Edward Snowden's massive leaks came to light just as Manning was being sentenced.
	Snowden was beyond the reach of the U.S. and Russia.
	Manning paid the price.
	A petition for a pardon from Mr.
	Snowden with over a million signatures was not acted upon by the White House.
	Lester?
	So they make the connection and they use one of their best hit people to do it.
	This is the NBC, Snowden, Putin.
	They bring Putin in.
	Putin, Trump.
	Putin!
	Everybody's brought into this clip.
	All right, Cynthia McFadden in New York, thank you.
	And speaking of Snowden's current home, Russia, today Vladimir Putin came to the defense of President-elect Donald Trump, breaking his silence about those unverified allegations leaked about Mr.
	Trump last week.
	Well, here at home, more Democrats are joining an inauguration boycott with just three days to go.
	NBC's Hallie Jackson has more.
	Tonight, from Vladimir Putin, a perhaps unsurprising response to those salacious but unsubstantiated allegations about Donald Trump.
	Rubbish, the Russian leader says, defending Trump in his first public statement about that report.
	Accusing the Obama administration of trying to delegitimize Trump, working to solidify a political partnership even before it officially begins Friday, Inauguration Day.
	But dozens of Democrats will be boycotting.
	The no-shows now numbering more than 50.
	Scattered reports of boycotts popped up in 1973 with Richard Nixon and 2001 with George W. Bush, but nothing that reached this level of coverage.
	Sparked by comments from Congressman and Civil Rights Freedom Rider John Lewis, who, despite saying this would be his first missed inauguration, also skipped President Bush's in 2001.
	We didn't attend it like so many other members of Congress yet, man.
	But President Bush was a friend of mine.
	And he got caught in a very bad lie, so let's see what happens.
	As far as other people not going, that's okay because we need seats so badly.
	Demonstrations already starting in Washington.
	No!
	At least 99 of them planned this week.
	Some for, most against.
	With a different public protest coming from a top intelligence official.
	CIA head John Brennan taking serious offense to Trump's accusation he leaked sensitive information and suggestion intelligence agencies used Nazi-like tactics.
	Brennan telling the Wall Street Journal when his integrity is challenged, quote, that's where I think the line is crossed.
	Oh my goodness.
	Brandon was never mentioned, of course.
	No.
	But he took offense.
	He can take a powder.
	He's out.
	Yeah, he's gone.
	Pencil pusher, go away.
	You have one more PBS Manning clip?
	Yes, just the way the PBS thing finished up.
	And I thought the PBS, again, handled this probably better than the other networks who were just kind of glossed over a bunch of stuff, tried to bring their hit people in to just do guilt-by-association measures like this Putin thing.
	And like Hallie says, oh, unsurprisingly, Putin came to his defense, which I just thought was offensive.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Manning on PBS2. Tonight, the Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, has issued a statement saying, quote, this is just outrageous.
	He says Chelsea Manning's treachery put American lives at risk and exposed some of our nation's most sensitive secrets.
	And he says the president now leaves in place a dangerous precedent that those who compromise our national security won't be held accountable for their crimes.
	That's one of many statements like that coming out of Republicans on the Hill.
	We haven't heard yet from President-elect Trump on this, but that statement is reflected by what other people like Senator McCain and others have said.
	I would say as a point of just a clarification, none of the documents that Chelsea Manning leaked were classified above the merely classified level.
	That is to say, none of them were top secret.
	That was another thing that the White House was stressing today in comparing her to Edward Snowden, who President Obama declined to pardon.
	So to say they were some of the most sensitive secrets is an exaggeration.
	And also military prosecutors at her court-martial office, Did not accuse her or present any evidence that anyone was actually killed as a result of her leaks.
	On the other hand, the government did scramble afterwards to move some people out of potential harm's way who were named in some of the documents as having helped American diplomats or troops in very dangerous countries lest they come to harm.
	So the fact that no one was killed didn't mean that it wasn't indeed putting some people at risk.
	And she has apologized for having done that.
	Yeah, well, okay.
	It was a very different story seven years ago.
	Very, very different.
	I have a couple more clips that we'll play later.
	Again, as these guys leave, they're doing...
	And by the way, when Obama finishes his last press conference...
	It would have been nice if he had said, you know, I feel disappointed in myself because I had promised to shut down Gitmo and I was unable to do it.
	It was more complicated than I thought.
	I didn't know there was going to be so much resistance and I'm sorry I didn't miss the one thing I didn't.
	He never does that.
	He never apologizes for any of his failures.
	You can take that to the bank.
	And that's one of his take it to the bank things.
	And anyways, I just found that kind of disappointing.
	And I find it very disappointing that the Republicans are all in on this.
	Let's punish this poor Chelsea Manning person who leaked a bunch of funny memos as far as I was concerned.
	It was more humor than anything else because she put all this stuff at risk.
	And meanwhile, Obama put more whistleblowers in jail than anybody ever combined in history.
	Mm-hmm.
	And nobody says anything about that.
	And yet we're supposed to be protecting whistleblowers that are citing corruption in government.
	That's what they're doing.
	I don't know.
	I just find the whole thing a very disappointing end of year.
	And I'm very disappointed.
	Like, anyone gives a crap.
	But I just think that Paul Ryan and McCain and these guys are incredible douchebags.
	They are douchebags.
	And you know, Rosie O'Donnell, who of course is part of the resistance...
	She says, hey, you know, Trump is an illegitimate candidate, so why don't we just have someone, you know, temporary president, and her idea was John McCain.
	Yeah, Rosie O'Donnell should just choose our president.
	That's fine.
	I'll wrap this up with kind of a tease, what we'll do in the B block, as finally an actual journalist came out and said something really good.
	Bob Woodward, of course, one half of the Watergate reporting team that brought you the Watergate tapes and the whole story, etc., And he is talking here about the Golden Shower dossier.
	What do you think, and this is something we discussed with both of our guests, of the way that the intelligence community handled the so-called Russia dossier?
	And overall, how do you think of the way they've handled Donald Trump?
	I think what's underreported here is Trump's point of view on it.
	And you laid it out when those former CIA people...
	He said these things about Trump, that he was a recruited agent of the Russian...
	A useful fool.
	Yeah, and a useful fool.
	I mean, they started this and in Trump's mind, He knows the old adage, once a CIA man, always a CIA man.
	And no one came out and said those people shouldn't be saying things.
	So then Act 2 is the briefing when this dossier is put out.
	I've lived in this world for 45 years where you get things and people make allegations.
	That is a garbage document.
	It never should have been presented as part of an intelligence briefing as you suggested other channels.
	Have the White House counsel give it to Trump's incoming White House counsel.
	So Trump's right to be upset about that.
	And I think if you look at the real chronology and the nature of the battle here, those intelligence chiefs who were the best we've had, who were terrific and have done great work, made a mistake here.
	And when people make mistakes, they should apologize.
	Yeah.
	It would be nice if he said that on something else.
	Wow.
	I'll give you a borderline clip of the day for bringing that one to the floor.
	And we know, you know, he is in the, for all that we can figure out, he is a CIA guy.
	Totally.
	So he's not coming out to, I just want to remind people, he's not coming out just yakking away about something that he's Casually, he's been given the go-ahead to do this.
	To do this, yeah.
	So there's something there.
	That may be what you talked about earlier, because we know Brennan's just a douchebag.
	Mm-hmm.
	The guy, you know, is just a bomb appointee.
	Yeah, a pencil pusher.
	And it could be the rank-and-file, the second or third-tier people giving him the go-ahead to do this.
	All right.
	Which means that they're maybe not as anti-Trump overall, which is what you suggested, and Glenn Greenwald suggests that the whole agency just hates Trump, but it may not be true.
	It may not be that bad.
	Well, with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for Chelsea Manning, commutation, Dvorak.
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning to all the ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, and subs in the water.
	Hello.
	And in the morning to all of our listeners on the stream, noagendastream.com.
	Thank you very much for hanging in there during our delayed start of the program.
	In the morning to Pac-Man Retro.
	He brought us the artwork for episode 8, 9, or 5.
	Yes, we can.
	The title of that.
	Fun artwork with the no agenda sign that says no small aircraft, no hot tubs.
	Stay safe.
	I like that a lot.
	And thank you very much to all of our artists who are always submitting artwork.
	Noartgenerator.com.
	It's highly appreciated.
	We really, really love looking at the art after the show and choosing it.
	And of course, that's why we get the credit when you do it.
	Well, we have one executive producer for this show, which is show 896.
	Four more shows away from the fabulous show 900.
	And you have to imagine that's a pretty big deal.
	Yeah.
	And it's two years away from, or I'd say 900,000, a thousand, it'd be almost over a year from now.
	We do a show a thousand.
	Wow.
	Bruce Wilkie in, oh, hey, I'm going to give you a text.
	See if you can pronounce this.
	Okay.
	I would say Puyallup.
	Yeah, wrong.
	Okay.
	It's Puyallup.
	Puyallup.
	Oh, interesting.
	P-U-Y, Puyallup.
	Good.
	Yeah, P-U-Y-A-L-L-U-P. It's an Indian tribe, I guess, and it's pronounced Puyallup.
	Uh-huh.
	At least they pronounce it Pwollup in Pwollup.
	I've heard it pronounced Pwollup, but Pwollup is...
	Pwollup sounds good.
	Sound is the easier way to pronounce it.
	Anyway, $300.
	Washington, that's in Washington State.
	Along with a number of other silly sounding towns.
	Hey guys, it's Bruce here, the face bag jingle guy.
	Oh, hold on, there's this.
	Pwollup!
	Oh, that's the one?
	No, wait.
	I think this is the one.
	It's not it.
	No, this is it.
	Yeah, this is it.
	When Adam needs to make an example of some typical slaves, he just reads the comments on their Facebook page.
	Gonna read a face bag.
	Gonna lose some brain cells.
	Gonna read a face bag.
	I put that at the end of the show.
	I'd forgotten about that one.
	Not sure if you guys saw my tweet, but I dropped some no agenda on these liberal Christians at a live podcast called Ask Science Mike.
	He's not a scientist and just waxes poetic about his feelings.
	The entire show was a Trump cry, a Trump cry fest.
	54 minutes.
	Why are you listening to this, Bruce?
	He says, 54.
	I always get a kick out of these guys who hate my columns.
	I read your columns six times.
	And I hate it.
	You stink.
	I hate it.
	54 minutes in, I drop some value-for-value info on them.
	And then he's got a link, I guess.
	Oh, okay.
	And then he asks, John, when are you going to do a meet-up here in the Pacific Northwest?
	Keep up the great work.
	I'm also calling out Justin Hartford.
	Or Hartford as a douchebag.
	A boner.
	It goes not as a boner.
	We don't have a boner jingle.
	I'll just give him some karma.
	He's the only executive producer today, so might as well.
	You've got karma.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Johnny of the Swamp in Washington, D.C. 23457.
	Funny.
	He'll be an associate executive or producer for show 896.
	Thank you, John and Adam, for making the best podcast in the universe.
	Please accept my overdue donation of 23457.
	Oh, I'm sorry, 23457, not 6.
	As I have been freeloading a freeloading douchebag for too long.
	Ten years ago, I was a listener to The Seed Man, but it was too hard to take him seriously, and I was always looking for an alternative perspective about the media manipulation that was more grounded.
	I'm very happy to have found no agenda during the election cycle for keeping my sanity, especially since I am deep in the heart of the swamp.
	I eagerly support the inaugural eve episode.
	Johnny, this one.
	You know, the seed man has asked me to drop by tomorrow during the inauguration.
	Oh, you're going to do a little...
	Yeah, I'll do that.
	The tickets didn't come through.
	That didn't happen, so...
	Oh.
	Yeah, no juice.
	I've got no juice.
	You know, hold on a second.
	You were listed...
	Yeah.
	...on some website.
	It was one of the celebrities...
	That was...
	That supported Trump.
	Supported Trump, even though you really didn't, you kind of supported...
	Truth.
	You supported around Trump.
	Yeah.
	You think that they would have done enough research to find you and then give you a ticket.
	Yeah, not happening.
	Johnny of the Swamp says, as a PS, he says, a little bird told me that BuzzFeed is getting no press credentials this Friday.
	Well, you recall that I also, that we heard, and before all this press moving to a different building happened, that the Trump administration will be evaluating all press credentials every month to see if someone should be invited back or not.
	Well, I think they do that anyway.
	I don't believe for a minute that they don't do that.
	I'm sure that they don't call on people, for sure.
	Like, you're a douche.
	Yeah, that's another thing.
	And let me give Johnny of the Swamp a little karma, although he didn't ask for it.
	You've got karma.
	Complimentary karma today.
	Obama's last day in office, we're getting complimentary karma from the No Agenda show.
	And I do want to...
	Welcome all of our new listeners.
	We have new listeners, soon to be producers, who caught me on the Seed Man.
	They send me email.
	They're happy they found us, so it's great.
	I like that.
	Well, you have to keep doing it.
	Yeah, I will.
	Until he's completely...
	I like it there.
	It's an interesting group of people.
	Yeah, you like it because the guy's doing the job that people should be doing.
	He's just...
	He's doing it right.
	He's not just some guy in his basement doing it like we are.
	Just doing a simple podcast.
	He's selling stuff.
	Yeah, he's selling stuff and he's giving us important information.
	My God!
	For 25 years, they've been growing babies and cows!
	You know what I'm saying?
	Indeed.
	Second associate and last associate executive producer for show 896 is Ron Nooren in Vluten, Netherlands.
	Vluten.
	Near Utrecht.
	It's near Utrecht.
	20160.
	Since donating last in April 2016, I felt a huge douchebag.
	I feel like a huge douchebag for receiving all this value for value and it was time to step up again.
	The universe has called me several times.
	The strongest last September when visiting Las Vegas for an SAP tech ed conference together with a friend and co-worker, Ronald, who is still a douchebag for never donating.
	Douchebag!
	Boarding the plane from Amsterdam and seating in row 33 was the first signal.
	Getting mac and cheese for dinner.
	Okay, universe, you made yourself clear.
	In other words, he went on the plane, got on C-33, and they gave him mac and cheese.
	Time to donate, for sure.
	I'd say.
	And then the kicker, he says, having to look at Neil deGrasse Tyson during the in-flight entertainment made it clear, time to donate.
	Oh, man.
	What was he doing?
	Does he have some kind of...
	Some kind of...
	He's got a rain cloud over his head.
	Elon!
	Elon!
	The amount, $2,160, is what the SLS... SLS... SLS... SLS... SLS... No, I don't know what it is.
	SLS Hotel in Vegas tried to overcharge me in resort fee.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	That's about...
	Thank you very much.
	Please continue your efforts debunking the media BS. Can I get a...
	What's he got here for a request?
	Why do millennials cry?
	I don't know what that is.
	That's the second time somebody's, uh...
	Why do millennials cry?
	...ask for this.
	Right?
	Somebody else asked for this, right?
	Right, right, right.
	I don't remember anyone asking for this.
	I think it was the last show somebody had this.
	Okay, well, someone has to tell...
	I got the mac and cheese stuff for them, which I'll do now.
	Give me a mac and cheese.
	You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Mac and cheese.
	Macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together.
	Mac and cheese.
	The mac and cheese life.
	Mac and cheese by Ayn Rand.
	You've got karma.
	Hold on a second.
	The chat room is trying to help out here.
	They say, was it Prince cover?
	Why do millennials cry?
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	I don't remember it.
	Well, we're going to have to have it resubmitted.
	Someone will help us out.
	Okay.
	And that concludes our group.
	Oh, that's it?
	Holy crap.
	Well, it happens.
	Quick PR mention here.
	I don't know if it's really a mention, but I got a note from Jeff in Calgary.
	Adam, we haven't seen any no-agenda inauguration meetups.
	Let me know if you hear of anything.
	I'll be with DC911Truth at 7 a.m.
	I know the seed guy will be roaming around with his info warriors.
	Other than that, I haven't heard anything.
	Haven't seen much activity from the Oath Keepers.
	Surprising.
	Okay, let me know what's going on.
	So, I think there's a number of people who will be in D.C. Please try and organize at meetup.com.
	See if you can get that, get something together.
	I think it'd be cool.
	The number of people who listen to the show who will be there.
	And we also have a boots on the ground guy, and yeah, who's doing some video, and that'll be fun.
	Definitely got some stuff.
	Thank you very much to our sole executive producer and our associate executive producers.
	Actual credits, you can use them anywhere.
	They're very effective if you use them on your LinkedIn page because you look like an executive producer, which you are!
	And we'll be thanking more people who came in with $50 or above later on in the program.
	And remember, we've got another show coming up on Sunday where, of course, we will deconstruct everything that went on on Friday.
	Remember us at...
	And while you're down there in D.C., why don't you go propagate the formula?
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	World.
	Order.
	Shut up, slave.
	Shut up, slave.
	Alrighty.
	I have a little aside here.
	You know, there's one show that people cite a lot, and it is...
	It's kind of competitive with our show, although it's not really.
	No, I can't wait to hear this.
	Well, you've heard of the show.
	It's called On the Media.
	Oh, it's not at all like our show.
	No, it's not at all like our show, but people like to compare it to our show because they do media deconstruction and sometimes they do it well.
	But I always felt it was like everything else that you run into on NPR.
	It was in some way or other slanted.
	And it was just another couple of liberals going on and on about stuff that the way they see it, not completely in the other dimension, but I may take that back.
	They may be in the other dimension that you always talk about when you hear one of the two hosts.
	In this particular clip, which is the On the Media depressed dude clip.
	This is On the Media.
	I'm Brooke Gladstone.
	Hi, Brooke.
	And I'm Bob Garfield.
	In our editorial meeting this week, even through the speakerphone connecting me with the team in New York, the staff detected in my voice a slight suicidal despondency.
	Why so glum, chum?
	They wanted to know.
	And I said, is this that we're all so f***ed?
	It's hard to drag my sorry self out of bed in the morning.
	This is when producer Alana Casanova Burgess chimed in.
	Bob, have you read Hope in the Dark?
	She was referring to the book of encouragement and call to action by left-wing activist philosopher Rebecca Solnit, who expresses optimism about the future based not on naivete or denial, but on lessons of history.
	Hmm.
	is impatient with despair, not only because it paralyzes political action, but because she says it is historically indefensible.
	Hmm.
	Historically indefensible.
	Well, whatever she says.
	Is that Nazi reference or what is that?
	I don't know.
	No, I don't think so.
	But this guy then does an interview with her and they talk back and forth and he asked just so earnestly to have her read from the beginning of the first chapter.
	Now, who is she again?
	She's actually a local around here.
	She's, I think, in San Francisco or Berkeley.
	She's a writer.
	You should look her up.
	Just look at her.
	She is an unreconstructed hippie.
	She's about 70.
	She looks like a depressive.
	But she's apparently uplifting in this book.
	And so they have her read from it.
	And I want you to hear her in the second clip because this is a person that is...
	I think definitely in the different She's reading from the book in her uplifting way, much like if you went to a speech where some guy was just getting you all riled up and he went out to sell some product on behalf of the company.
	And here she goes.
	Tell me how good you feel after listening to this.
	...of mutual wailing about how bad everything was, a recitation of the evidence against us.
	One exciting opportunity the left offers us is of being your own prosecutor.
	That just buried any hope and imagination down in a dank little foxhole of curled-up despair.
	Now I watch people having it, wondering what it is we get from it.
	The certainty of despair.
	Is even that kind of certainty so worth pursuing?
	Stories trap us.
	Stories free us.
	We live and die by stories.
	But hearing people have the conversation as hearing them tell themselves a story they believe is being told to them.
	What other stories can be told?
	How do people recognize that they have the power to be storytellers, not just listeners?
	Oh, hold on a second.
	I shoot myself in the head after that.
	Here's a better way of listening to her.
	True whaling about how bad everything was.
	A recitation of the evidence against us.
	Perfect.
	Wow.
	No wonder.
	She's depressed.
	My goodness.
	Anyway, so this to me is the, and again, this is not an objective show.
	And I don't see how anyone can get anything positive out of it if this is the kind of, and again, it sounds like you're in this other dimension because this is not an uplifting little spiel by any means.
	She's a depressing person.
	This is rampant, John.
	This is rampant.
	And the other dimension, I certainly don't live in that dimension, but I can visit it.
	They are desperately hoping that something happens.
	I think that's why the CNN piece, oh, we can even stand losing the Obamas and the Clintons.
	Okay, it'll be a loss, but at least Trump wouldn't be president.
	That's what's going on here.
	People wishing people death and ill will.
	No, they want everyone dead.
	They themselves seem to be somewhat dead.
	I can barely get out of bed.
	What am I going to do?
	A normal person in this situation with this show on the media...
	They would have said, holy crap, we're going to have nothing but great material.
	Yeah, that's what we said.
	Yeah, it doesn't matter who wins.
	This will keep the show going forever.
	But no, they're so invested in the political system, their whole personality is tied up in being a Democrat.
	You know, there's an interesting piece in Politico.
	Well, actually, you may not want to say interesting, but it's being passed around the face bags a lot.
	And the title of it is, he has this deep fear that he is not a legitimate president.
	And what Politico did is they brought in, one, two, three, four, I think five...
	Four or five journalists who were on the beat, who covered Trump, who covered him in 2000, and just, you know, been covering all the time.
	And so they give their opinion about him, and the headline comes from one of these journalists who just up and says that with no, you know, with no...
	Here, I'll actually find the piece here.
	Uh...
	With no backup, with no proof, with no...
	Yeah, well, it's not even that.
	Here he is.
	He's always...
	This is from D'Antonio, whoever that guy is.
	D'Antonio.
	What's his first name?
	Anyway, D'Antonio says, this is a person who has never known whether anybody wants to be around him.
	Hold on a second.
	Here it is.
	He's always kind of gaming the system, not, in my view, winning on the merits, and even his election was with almost 3 million fewer votes than his opponents.
	So he has this deep fear that he is himself not a legitimate president, and I think that's why he goes to such great lengths to delegitimize even the intelligence community.
	I mean, so that's just conjecture.
	But every single journalist who, and I don't know if they taped audio.
	My God, would I love to hear what they were talking about.
	Every single one is bitching consistently about one issue.
	And you know what it is.
	Twitter.
	They cannot stand that he goes around them.
	They can't stand it.
	That is the number one problem.
	They hate it.
	It's not protocol.
	It's not tradition.
	Yeah, well, they're the conservatives.
	Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone magazine, who I like.
	I don't know him personally.
	Actually, he personally seems like a douchebag.
	But the stuff he's written about financial crimes in Rolling Stone magazine has been nothing short of stellar.
	He's probably the only guy who really does anything.
	So, you know, anything of that level of speaking truth to power.
	And, of course, it goes largely unnoticed because it's Rolling Stone Magazine.
	It gives a crap.
	And then he went off to the $250 million WordPress blog, and that was horrible.
	You recall, and then he said...
	Yeah, he didn't last there.
	No, two weeks, I think, is what he lasted.
	Didn't match.
	So I think it was CBC, Canadian Broadcasting, who went and interviewed him in New York, and it focused mainly on Putin, Trump, their connection, etc.
	You lived and worked in Russia for a long time.
	What's your take?
	Did you know that he worked in Russia?
	I believe he was working with Russia on this magazine with Mark Ames.
	Who I like even better than Taibbi.
	I think Mark Ames is just a dynamite investigative reporter.
	And he's more neutral politically in his writing than Taibbi, who's very much of a Democrat.
	You lived and worked in Russia for a long time.
	What's your take on all of that?
	Is he a puppet of Putin?
	Well, it's very hard to say.
	And I lived in Russia for a long time.
	I personally remember Putin destroying government officials with sex tapes.
	I was there.
	I remember watching him when he was the FSB chief give an analysis of a sex tape involving a character named Yuri Skorov.
	He's a little confused.
	I think it's FSB now, but he was a KGB then.
	And he wasn't a chief.
	No, he certainly wasn't a chief.
	They've done this over and over again in their past.
	And you'll hear Matt Taibbi has a lot of things wrong, but he's just heard, you know, and just is regurgitating as well.
	The two of them were living in Russia as a couple of Of troublemakers, and I think they got run out of the country.
	Oh, that would make sense.
	So this is something they do.
	However, there's really no concrete evidence still that Trump is involved in any of the shenanigans that have been alleged.
	You know, there's some evidence for one side of this equation.
	Which is about Putin's meddling in the electoral process and hacking the Democratic National Committee.
	And there are experts who have reasons for believing that he did that that are good reasons.
	But there's really no concrete evidence that Trump is in on it in any way or that he was anything other than a moronic beneficiary of Putin's geopolitical whimsy.
	I like moronic beneficiary.
	Geopolitical whimsy.
	Beneficiary.
	Moronic beneficiary.
	Taibbi has it right, though.
	He prizes himself as an actual journalist.
	He says, if I can't prove it, I can't write about it.
	If I had no backup, I can't write about it.
	And he says that has created a two-tier system of media, certainly here in the United States of Gitmo Nation.
	We've had this problem now for over a decade in America, which is that we have two tiers of the media.
	We have this sort of clickbait internet tier where anything goes and all kinds of material circulates, and it's been accelerated by the social media.
	And then we have this upper tier of what we call the legacy media, where theoretically we don't do things like that.
	that we check, we verify, we don't put things that are dubious or knowingly untrue.
	But what we're allowing them to do now is ping pong back and forth.
	The legacy media reports on the less legitimate media all the time.
	So it's an end run around the old protections.
	And we've had a breakdown because of that.
	He's forgetting the third tier, which is us who deconstruct the mainstream.
	Thank you.
	Well, I think we don't really account, there's not enough of us, the two of us, to account for being a tier, which assumes that there's a lot of people.
	We're more like a step stool.
	Native advertising, that's what he should be talking about.
	Yeah, he didn't mention that at all.
	But he did follow up on this, you know, if you report, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
	Well, and there's this phenomenon of fake news.
	Fake news!
	Where's the line between the fake news, propaganda, the real news?
	I mean, how on earth?
	The world is changing.
	It's extremely difficult because it's very hard for journalists to pretend that, for instance, there's a news story that everybody's talking about that you can't confirm.
	How do you report on that?
	If you can't confirm the core allegation that's in the story, but it's news everywhere and everyone's talking about it, Mm-hmm.
	And we've referred to how the media loves to choose our presidents for us by highlighting some incredible gaffe.
	Here's Taibbi on that.
	We've had this tradition in our campaign journalism going back quite a while now where when a candidate slips up, does something dumb, we immediately sort of swirl around the candidate and announce that that person is no longer a legitimate and viable politician.
	The medians.
	Yeah, the media.
	We in the media, we do that.
	We do that to people like Howard Dean.
	Gary Hart was another senator who had an affair.
	Love that one.
	Isn't it crazy?
	How long ago was that?
	That was in...
	That was the four years before...
	Before Obama?
	So that was 2004?
	I think it was 2004.
	Could be.
	It could be...
	One screen.
	That noise disqualified the guy.
	Well...
	Kind of.
	What it did is...
	Nothing disqualifies the guy, as Trump has proven.
	But what it did to me...
	Because I remember this guy very well.
	For one thing, he was talked up.
	He was on the cover of all the magazines.
	He was going to be the next president.
	It was a done deal.
	And he...
	He got honey-potted, man, with Donna Rice.
	You're talking about Hart.
	I'm talking about the screen.
	Oh!
	I'm sorry.
	Yes.
	Dean.
	So this guy was Dean.
	So he was getting a lot of...
	And this is all Joe Trippi, by the way, who was the...
	Oh, yeah.
	I remember now.
	The guy who was running this campaign.
	He was a shoe-in.
	And it actually, to me, I... I think he was killed before he did that stupid scream because he's starting to...
	Why did he lose this election that he do that scream?
	Because he lost some primary, a big one, and he's going to win all these other states and these screams.
	It was when he finally showed up because he was discussed on the print media constantly and then he shows up and I believe it was on the Carson show or Lano, I can't remember who was running it at the time, but he comes out on one of these late night talk shows and he comes out Kind of hunched over and he has this Red tie on that, I swear to God, at least the way I remember it, was down to his knees.
	Tie too long.
	Bad look.
	Trump does that, too.
	His ties are too long.
	Well, anyway, he comes out with this stupid tie, and he's being interviewed.
	He's a goofball.
	Yeah.
	He's an obvious goofball.
	This guy's not going to be president.
	He was already on the downturn before.
	The screen was just a closer.
	That was the end.
	I got it.
	But that's not the reason, I can assure you.
	All right.
	Then we get a little insight into the press corps traveling with the president and where Taibbi was in the pecking order.
	You compare the media to the Mean Girls, the Heathers?
	Oh, yeah.
	Really?
	Yeah, I mean, I've been on the campaign plane and I've been one of the unpopular kids who's been banished to the back of the plane to sit with the techies.
	You know, there are documentarians I know who were...
	Filming the other reporters in the plane who became unpopular with the other reporters because that was theoretically off-limits.
	You weren't supposed to write about what went on inside the bubble.
	And so they got to sit in the back with me as well.
	Because you have been very critical.
	By the way, the way he just glosses over that, he's sitting back with the techies.
	How rude is that?
	The techies keep the plane in the air.
	The techies, the dude's name, Ben.
	Dudette's name, Ben.
	Oh, I know, but they are disrespected and thrown in the back.
	Oh, totally disrespected.
	Very bad, very bad.
	And he just, oh, that's normal because that's where techies belong.
	A-hole.
	In the back with me as well.
	Because you have been very critical.
	I have, yeah.
	I've written about the media.
	I've written about how we cover stories.
	You say that they're in bed, basically, with corrupt politicians.
	Yeah, and then also that there's this corrupting relationship that happens.
	It's almost like a kind of Stockholm Syndrome on the campaign trail where you're with the same people over and over again, week after week, month after month, and you start to sympathize with the people on the campaign.
	And I think that's what's happened over the years is that reporters and politicians have adopted each other's point of view.
	And they've lost touch with how ordinary people think and they don't talk to people out there as much.
	Trump capitalized on that.
	He sensed that he made us in the media villains, representatives of this out-of-touch ivory tower political culture.
	Yeah, it was an easy target.
	You're kidding.
	Yeah, but Taibbi has self-awareness.
	Final clip about the sanctimoniously smug.
	There's a lot of resentment out there toward these sort of snide, urban, especially East and West Coast liberal types who people in what we call flyover America.
	They view us as snobs who are looking down on regular people.
	Yeah.
	And we're always trying to tell them how to run their lives, even though we can't change an oil filter by ourselves.
	There's a lot of resentment towards that kind of person.
	And it's a class division that we've always had a difficult time talking about in this country.
	We just don't do class very well.
	And so that's one of the reasons why this Trump phenomenon kind of crept up on everybody.
	It's because these divisions are things that we don't normally pay a lot of attention to.
	Sanctimoniously smug.
	Yes, and John Oliver returns Sunday, speaking of sanctimoniously smug.
	I will mention that anyone who's a regular No Agenda listener never had the problem of things like that creeping up on you.
	No, of course not.
	Just to switch it up, and I do have some...
	Before you do that, I do want to throw one little thing and a little clip that's in the middle of not switching anything up, just a lone clip.
	This was from that same On the Media show.
	Another example of the changing, the way...
	Well, I'm telling you, just play this.
	This is a bonus clip.
	In many ways, it's very frightening, but at the same time means that the future is yet unwritten, and it's up to the media to help write it.
	Unwritten.
	Unwritten.
	This guy's the editor of ThinkProgress.
	Putin.
	Unwritten.
	But he's doing it wrong.
	It should be...
	Pronouncing the T's.
	Written.
	That's the other one.
	We've discussed this.
	I know.
	That's what the cool kids are doing is pronounce it.
	Written.
	Overpronouncing.
	Overpronouncing.
	Yes.
	Well, he's not a cool kid, obviously.
	I got a couple clips from Davo.
	The Davo Drinking Club.
	Oh, yes.
	I love me some Davo Drinking Club.
	One of our dude named...
	Yes, dude named Ben.
	Well, he's kind of a dude named Ben.
	Hold on, let me see.
	Where is...
	He sent me an email.
	Hmm...
	Okay, I'll look that up while I play the first clip.
	Yeah, he's actually doing sound at a couple of the events there.
	And he did sound for the George Clooney breakfast.
	And he says Amal, who by the way, Amal was at least WikiLeaks lawyer.
	I don't know why we don't harass her.
	Remember when they got married?
	She was a Julian Assange's lawyer.
	That's right, I remember that.
	Yeah, little problem there, George.
	Yeah, we brought it up and then we never brought it back into the conversation.
	Little problem there, George.
	He said she weighs about, she can't weigh more than 98 pounds and apparently she's pregnant.
	Skin over bones.
	Skin over bones.
	Yeah.
	We always thought she looked unhealthy.
	Anyway, a couple of clips.
	The first one, nice little truth ones to come out from John Kerry here.
	There are a lot of people here, Mr.
	Secretary, myself included, who are walking around with a pit in their stomach, a fear that so many of the things you just articulated and achieved could be reversed in a week.
	I don't believe there will be.
	I just don't believe that.
	I mean, take a ram, for instance.
	If the United States were to decide suddenly and say, hey, we're not going to pursue this and so forth, I'll bet you, I haven't talked to all of them, but I'll bet you that our friends and allies who negotiated this with us will get together and that Russia, China, Germany, France, and Britain will say, you know what, this is a good deal.
	We're going to keep it.
	And Iran and the rest, and they will keep it.
	And we'll have made ourselves the odd person out.
	We'll have injured our own credibility in conceivably irreparable way.
	And it will hurt for the endurance of, you know, a year, two years, whatever, while the administration is there.
	But it's unnecessary, because...
	So he says, it'll last during the year or two years that the administration is there.
	Well, I think he's talking about Iran.
	No, he's talking about the Trump administration.
	No, I think he's talking about Iran.
	He clarifies it.
	Listen to the whole clip.
	...irreparable way.
	And it will hurt for the endurance of, you know, a year, two years, whatever, while the administration is there.
	But it's unnecessary, because...
	These people...
	These people have dirty minds.
	I told you I was going to be active.
	You can clear it up.
	Yeah, he's going to be active.
	He's going to try and get Trump out in two years.
	This is part of the...
	I'm telling you, this is part of the impeachment.
	I'm not denying that that's underway.
	Okay.
	But I bet you there's a regime change plan that's...
	Oh, no doubt about it.
	Final speech from good old Joe Biden at Davo.
	And yes...
	Joe is slurring.
	But the greatest threat on this front springs from the distinct liberal and external actors who equate their success with fracturing the liberal international order.
	We see it in Asia and the Middle East.
	I like that.
	The liberal, what did he say, liberal national order?
	Play it again.
	Yeah, let's see.
	National order.
	Ah, shoot.
	Back more, Joe.
	Who equate their success with fracturing the liberal international order.
	Liberal international order.
	I've never heard this one.
	We see in Asia, in the Middle East, where China and Iran would clearly prefer a world in which they have overwhelming sway in their regions.
	And I'll not mince words.
	This movement is principally led by Russia.
	Under President Putin, Russia is working with every tool available to him to whittle away at the edges of the European project, test the fault lines among Western nations, and return to a politics defined by spheres of influence.
	We see it in their aggression against their neighbors, sending in so-called little green men across borders to stir violence and stirs of separatism in Ukraine, using energy as a weapon, cutting off gas supplies mid-winter.
	No, because they didn't pay the bill, Joe.
	Raising prices to manipulate nations to act in Russia's interest.
	Using corruption to empower oligarchs to coerce politicians.
	Oh, man.
	We see it in their worldwide use of propaganda and false information campaigns.
	Big news.
	Injecting down and political agitation in democratic systems, strengthening illiberal factions and forces on both left and right to seek out and roll back the decades of progress from within our systems.
	Ew.
	We even saw it in the cyber-intrusions against political parties and individuals in the United States of America.
	What's our intelligence community, all 17, have determined with high confidence.
	I've been doing this for 46 years.
	They seldom use the phrase high confidence.
	Yeah, because they never use the phrase high confidence, except the last time was, oh yeah, aluminum tubes, weapons of mass destruction.
	Individuals in the United States of America.
	Which our intelligence community, all 17, have determined with high confidence.
	I've been doing this for 46 years.
	They seldom use the phrase high confidence.
	Yeah, they only use it when they have no proof.
	That they were specifically motivated to influence the elections.
	But it's not only the United States, I need not tell you, that has been targeted.
	Europe has seen the same kind of attacks in the past.
	Oh, there you go.
	With many countries in Europe slated to hold elections this year, we should expect further attempts by Russia to meddle in the democratic process.
	It will occur again, I promise you.
	And again, the purpose is clear.
	To collapse the liberal international order.
	There it is.
	Simply put, Mr.
	Putin has a different vision of the future.
	One in which Russia is pursuing across the board.
	It seeks to return to a world where the strong imposes will through military might, corruption, and criminality, while weaker nations have to fall in line.
	Hmm.
	Well, this brings me to a series of clips.
	First, we've got to play this.
	If you're blue and you don't know where there's fake news, why don't you get your Gitmo fix?
	Putin on the wrist.
	All right.
	Bum, bum, dum, bum, bum.
	Putin!
	So there's a series of news reports that are going, everyone's doing them, about Trump and NATO. Yeah.
	NATO is a sacred cow, and what they're trying to do is they're showing that Mattis...
	Mad Dog, Mad Dog.
	Mad Dog Mattis, who, by the way, has got his tit in a ringer over being a board member at Theranos.
	Oh, the fake blood analysis company.
	The blood analysis company.
	Which had, well, what's his face?
	Colin Powell also on the board of that.
	Yeah, there's a couple of these guys.
	And Kissinger.
	Kissinger, of course.
	Yeah, suckers.
	Yeah, suckers.
	A fine Kleiner Perkins investment.
	Well, they kind of...
	Ditched it, and now it's all Draper Fisher that's carrying the load.
	And Tim Draper, and I made a comment on the Twitters about this.
	He just seems to have a crush on this girl, seems to me.
	I don't know.
	I know Tim.
	It's possible.
	So let's start with this Trump-NATO thing, because there's a lot of interesting little deconstruction, little tidbits about Trump is kind of really not saying much about NATO anymore.
	And Mattis says, well, I don't understand.
	And there's a bunch of, in this report, I believe this is on PBS. I can figure it out when we start playing it.
	It's kind of maybe NBC. It's kind of a hit piece on Trump, but it's like a support of NATO, which, you know, he says is, well, play one.
	Hundreds of NATO troops died alongside Americans in Afghanistan.
	Mr.
	Trump had made similar statements during the campaign, but this latest barb came just days after his nominee for defense secretary offered a starkly different opinion.
	NATO, from my perspective, having served once as a NATO Supreme Allied Commander, is the most successful military alliance probably in modern world history, maybe ever.
	The Kremlin agreed with the Trump assessment and said NATO's main goal is confrontation.
	But it said little about the president-elect's suggestion that he might drop U.S. sanctions on Russia in exchange for nuclear arms reductions.
	Mr.
	Trump also said he's indifferent about the European Union's future in the wake of Britain's vote to leave it.
	Personally, I don't think it matters much for the United States.
	Look, the EU was formed partially to beat the United States on trade, so I don't really care whether it's separate or together.
	The president-elect had special criticism for German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
	He said she had made a catastrophic mistake in taking in thousands of migrants and refugees.
	And he said he'll start off trusting Merkel and Russian President Vladimir Putin equally, but said that may not last.
	The chancellor answered today in Berlin.
	I think for us Europeans, we have our fate in our own hands.
	The president-elect made his points again.
	Once he is in office, which he is not at this moment, we will of course work together with the American government.
	Then we will see what sort of cooperation we can achieve.
	Outgoing Secretary of State John Kerry went further in a CNN interview.
	Well, I thought, frankly, it was inappropriate for a president-elect of the United States to be stepping into the politics of other countries in a quite direct manner.
	Oh, my God.
	So let's review for a moment.
	What I recall Trump saying is, hey, NATO is outdated.
	People don't pay their fair share.
	It doesn't really do anything good.
	And I think, arguably, that's right.
	Certainly the paying part.
	And the good part may be questionable, too.
	And as you hear the further clips where they try to rationalize what NATO's been doing all these years, you find there's really nothing, in fact.
	Well, it's a resource extraction unit for the big oil companies.
	That's what happened in Libya.
	Mainly the French fighters.
	The French fighter planes were dropping huge bombs.
	Remember we were refueling?
	Weren't we refueling and arming or something, but we weren't actually dropping bombs?
	Yeah, something like that.
	Also the thing Trump said, they had a quote at a screen quote saying, I don't care what happens to the EU because they were formed to be our competitor.
	Which is true.
	They wanted to be bigger than us.
	Yes.
	Yeah, bigger than us.
	Nobody wants to say that.
	Have their own money.
	Which is the most important part, is having your own money.
	Yeah, totally.
	Yeah, the Euro, and they tried to make it into Euro, oil and Euros, which we don't like.
	But that little thing, this defense of NATO has me a little bit baffled, and maybe you can help me out after we hear a couple more of these clips.
	Here's the one, this is the Trump vs.
	NATO number two.
	We get reaction to Mr.
	Trump's comments from two people with extensive experience managing European relations.
	Nicholas Burns was a career diplomat.
	He was ambassador to NATO during the Obama administration.
	He's now at Harvard University, and he joins us tonight from London.
	Mr.
	Burns, let me start with you.
	Former ambassador to NATO, Donald Trump says that NATO's obsolete because it doesn't take on terror unfair to the United States.
	What's your take?
	He's completely wrong about that.
	I was ambassador to NATO for President George W. Bush, actually, on 9-11.
	And on 9-11, when we were attacked from Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, the NATO allies came to us in Brussels.
	They said they wanted to invoke Article 5 of the NATO treaty, an attack on one of us, an attack on all of us.
	They came to our defense big time.
	They all went into Afghanistan.
	They bled, died, and were wounded for us in Afghanistan.
	They're all still fighting in Afghanistan.
	We fought the terrorism.
	How many years is that?
	Taliban and other terrorist groups in Afghanistan.
	So Donald Trump is exactly wrong.
	And I can tell you, having been in London today, people here are just flabbergasted by this interview in the Times of London to basically denigrate NATO as obsolete, to root openly for the weakening of the European Union, to castigate Angela Merkel, our strongest friend in Europe.
	We have not seen an American president be so openly critical of our allies in 70 years, and yet he doesn't criticize our adversary, Vladimir Putin.
	Yes, of course.
	It's not tradition, it's not protocol, our special relationship.
	This guy, Nicholas Burns, you can look him up.
	He looks like a spook.
	Well, he does look like a spook.
	But a young spook, because he hasn't got that white hair yet.
	And again, Putin adversary.
	He could have mentioned the first, as I recall, the first leader of any state to offer condolences and any help, I believe, was Russia.
	Yeah.
	And it may have been Putin.
	I don't know if it was Putin or Medvedev.
	They were the first ones.
	Hey, dudes, anything you need, we're here.
	And they have, because they have experience.
	They know a lot about terrorism.
	Yeah, Chechnya, all that stuff.
	Sure, they got tons of experience.
	And I just want to say one thing about NATO. Kalingrad.
	Is it Kalingrad?
	Kalingrad, I think.
	Kalingrad, if you look at the map, is very similar to Crimea.
	It belongs to Russia.
	It's a province.
	It is right above Poland.
	I guarantee you, we're going to see some crap there.
	Because we're getting close to the border there with our tanks, our, was it 4,000 troops?
	First 4,000, Lord knows.
	And they're going to be building up there on the border, which is a Russian province, and you're going to see a similar issue as with Ukraine.
	And Kalingrad, also a very interesting country for pipelines, for passing pipelines through.
	Well, we've got to stop those Russians from giving people oil.
	I'm just telling this.
	It's going to happen.
	There's a couple of things in here that I thought were kind of brought to mind anyway.
	Why?
	What's the deal?
	Why are we...
	For one thing, we're pushing NATO toward Russia so it is a hostile group.
	But I think that if they would...
	To be honest with the American public and say one of the reasons for NATO, and I believe this to be true, I could...
	You know, just an extension of our normal thinking...
	Is to prevent Europe from putting together their own damned army.
	Because every time they do anything, the reason for NATO is just really to kind of throw a wet blanket on the Europeans altogether because they'll just start killing each other again.
	Yeah, because deep-rooted issues.
	Certainly the Germans and the French.
	Yes, and that's...
	So we have this NATO to...
	But we can't say that because it would insult the Europeans.
	We can't be honest about this.
	It's not tradition.
	It's not tradition.
	It's not protocol.
	So let's go on with this, this complaining with the NATO clip three.
	When we join with our allies to, whether it's defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan, supporting those in Iraq to beat back ISIS, to protect NATO when Russia invades a neighboring country, this, it makes America's stronger.
	It's a part of U.S. national security.
	So when you're criticizing NATO and saying it's obsolete, you're actually degrading U.S. national security.
	And that's what has us all so confused about Mr.
	Trump's comments.
	It's okay to say Europe's not spending enough, and we need to increase that spending.
	But we get an enormous benefit out of the NATO alliance.
	It's just not tradition.
	It's not protocol.
	Again, not really telling the truth here.
	For one thing, we have not defeated the Taliban.
	And just while we're on, I'm hearing so much about Afghanistan.
	There's a story.
	There's a retired CIA agent, John Abbotsford.
	And he has written a book.
	He's been on the talk shows.
	Okay, I haven't seen him.
	He says he's written a book, CIA in Afghanistan, 30 Years of Drug Smuggling.
	And he says, I participated.
	We were smuggling the drugs.
	And he says there's a desperate attempt by the U.S. government to shut me up.
	And there's a court case.
	And now you know the way it works with CIA. You have to run everything past the pickle factory before you can publish it.
	So he's obviously having an issue with that.
	But I think it'll go nowhere.
	But I can't wait to read it if it ever comes out.
	Well, he's been floating around, but you'll catch him on alternative media mostly.
	Let's go to clip four and then let's be the end of this.
	Russia crossed the brightest red line in international law by invading and annexing Crimea and then dividing eastern Ukraine and Donbass.
	And of course it's been threatening our NATO allies, the Baltic states.
	Those sanctions are in place by Europeans, Canadians and Americans as leverage against Russia.
	And the sanctions cannot be lifted until Russia removes its forces from eastern Ukraine.
	If it doesn't do that and if we give away On sanctions, Russia gets away with grand larceny.
	The European leadership will be furious with the United States, Angela Merkel especially.
	She negotiated these sanctions with President Putin directly.
	And so I think it's very unwise.
	It gives away American influence.
	It would be a weak policy by the United States, not a strong policy.
	Did you know that Merkel negotiated the sanctions with Putin personally?
	No, I didn't know that.
	That's what he said.
	I believe it, though.
	I can believe it, but I think it would be nice to know this, and if we're such a strong bunch of tough guys, why didn't we do it?
	Oh, because he's our adversary.
	I have no idea.
	I do know that the German opposition leader...
	What's the German opposition leader's name?
	Parliamentary leader of the opposition...
	What is her name now?
	Wagenknecht.
	She says, we need to have a security union with Russia for the dissolution of NATO. So Trump is not the only one.
	Again, I think this is because NATO is really just a wet blanket to keep the Europeans.
	Because this nonsense that they helped us invade...
	Because attacking one of us is attacking all of us so...
	Afghanistan was invaded with the help of NATO. Afghanistan didn't attack us.
	Nope.
	Well, that was...
	Remember, the story first was Al-Qaeda, Iraq.
	Then I was like, oh, crap, man.
	Yeah, no, I mean Afghanistan, Pakistan.
	We just went all over the place.
	We are horrible.
	I want to go back.
	Again, it may be, you know, it may be favorable to keep NATO going to keep this World War 3 from breaking up by these maniacs in the EU. Well, they certainly have their own army at play, which is, you know, as you pointed out, is what was not supposed to happen.
	So they have that now, or they're getting it started.
	Not big, but it's there.
	Yeah, they won one.
	They're going to have, well, you get to buy twice as many ammunitions.
	I want to go back to Davo.
	But first, something very interesting happened with RT. And I caught this report this morning.
	And they're not exactly clear on some things, so I'll interrupt and enlighten.
	RT has been blocked from posting content to its Facebook page.
	The ban was triggered by an algorithm that checks what's being submitted online.
	RT's head of social media has been explaining to me what happened.
	Well, unfortunately, a bot struck, as it were.
	We were carrying the live stream of Barack Obama's press conference, his final press conference yesterday.
	There were many news agencies across Facebook.
	And a channel, which is in fact part of Radio Free Europe, it's owned by the BBG, the US kind of government media, struck against us.
	There was a Facebook bot informed us that they had claimed rights on this broadcast.
	So let's just presume RT is indeed a complete propaganda arm of the state and of Putin.
	What happened is the propaganda arm of the United States, the Broadcast Board of Governors, who run Voice of America, who run the Russian station you just mentioned, they flagged RT's video saying, oh, that's copyright violation because we have the rights to that.
	So it's propaganda organizations fighting propaganda organizations.
	This is stellar.
	Government media struck against us.
	There was a Facebook bot informed us that they had claimed rights on this broadcast.
	This claim against us brought us over a certain threshold with Facebook, and we unfortunately were struck by a Facebook bot and informed that we are now blocked from posting any content to our...
	Facebook page, where we have four million fantastic followers.
	And yeah, at the moment we're waiting to hear from them.
	We should make it clear, RT took the AP feed.
	We're an AP client and we took the AP feed of the Barack Obama presser.
	We've done it loads of times.
	We'll continue to do it once the block is lifted.
	But unfortunately we're looking at a time limit right now, unless we hear from Facebook or can resolve the problem in short term.
	We're looking at a time limit that will take us through the Trump inauguration.
	So they won't be able to post to the face bag until after the inauguration.
	So as a client of the Associated Press, which gives you these rights as part of the deal, as opposed to being able to just steal Associated Press material, so they did it legitimately, and then face bag just cut them off just anyway.
	Yeah, and it was a bot.
	I doubt it.
	They cut him off.
	They cut him off, and it won't be reinstated until after the inauguration.
	Hmm.
	Oh, someone says in the chat room the ban was lifted.
	That's possible that it already happened.
	But still, that is propaganda war, and I like it.
	Yeah, it's great.
	It's cool.
	Because we have our own system to distribute our product.
	As opposed to using, I don't know, Podbean or whatever.
	You know, did you subscribe me to Podbean?
	Because I'm getting an email every week.
	Here's your stats on Podbean.
	We don't use Podbean.
	No, I think somebody posted us.
	On Podbean.
	Nice.
	Maybe.
	Possible.
	You can't get too much bandwidth out of them before paying a lot of money.
	No.
	Back to Davo for a moment, because the most interesting guest was Jack Ma of Alibaba.
	And I don't know much about Jack Ma, but I learned a lot about how Alibaba works.
	They're really not comparable to Amazon in their business model.
	As you'll hear, their business model is more data, or as he says, datas.
	Yeah.
	But Jack, of course, Jack Ma met with Trump.
	And, of course, that's the first question there in Davo.
	And we all have to laugh as well when that happens, where, you know, a billionaire businessman meets with another billionaire businessman trying to make the world better.
	But it's apparently a laughable fact.
	Let me start with this, which is to say that you just spent some time inside Trump Tower and went to go visit with Donald Donald, our president-elect in the United States.
	Tell us about that meeting.
	Well, it's a very productive meeting.
	Much better than I thought, than I expected.
	What did you expect?
	Well, I heard...
	They can't stop laughing.
	What is wrong with these people?
	It's like just the name Trump evokes laughter.
	It's very interesting.
	Well, I heard a lot and I watched like everybody.
	I watched all the news and heard a lot about him.
	So when I go inside, I saw, hmm, anything that...
	But he's very sort of open-minded, listened to what I talk.
	So I think I'm very happy about results.
	And finally, when he offered, he said, Jack, let me walk you down.
	He's very happy about the results we had.
	Can I ask, how does a meeting like that happen?
	Do you call him?
	Does he call you?
	More laughter.
	It's more for...
	What is that?
	What is it in this universe that we're listening to that these things are funny?
	Why is it funny?
	Huh?
	So how did this meeting happen?
	Does he call you?
	He called you!
	I mean...
	That is...
	It's not funny.
	Let's start with that premise because it's not like a great gag.
	It's not a joke.
	No, it's...
	But there's something about...
	It's like this guy that was on the media that couldn't get out of bed and he was completely depressed.
	Nervous laughter, I guess.
	Nervous laughter, perhaps.
	I don't think it was nervous laughter.
	I think it was this...
	This, you know, the men's club kind of laughter where you laugh at anything this guy says because you know that he hates Trump behind it all.
	Maybe.
	That's what I'm thinking.
	It was Chuck Todd, right?
	Who was asking the questions?
	No.
	No, there's another guy.
	I recognize him.
	I don't know his name.
	It sounds like Chuck Todd.
	It's not.
	All right, we'll continue.
	How does this take place?
	Well, that's the question I'm asking myself.
	Because some day, I got some requests from people saying, Jack, do you want meeting the president-elect?
	I say, is that true or not?
	Because I'm not ready for that.
	Because I don't know what to talk about.
	And then a few days later, I got another request.
	I got several requests, and then I saw one email with a friend, and it's very sort of specific.
	I thought about it.
	I think, yes, maybe I should go and have a talk.
	And at least I think...
	President-elect Donald Trump would be happy to hear what I want to talk about.
	So I went.
	And what did you tell him?
	Talk about the small business, talk about agricultural products, talk about the trade between China and the USA. We especially focus on talking about how can we bring this small business in America, sell them to China.
	Do you hear what he's saying, by the way?
	He says China.
	He doesn't say China.
	He says China just the way Trump says it.
	China.
	Did you notice that?
	No, I didn't, but I'll pay attention.
	Yeah, the quality is a little crappy, but he definitely is just saying China.
	...sell them to China through our network, which can create a lot of jobs for them.
	Given some of the comments that Donald Trump has made about China being a currency manipulator, did that come up during your meeting?
	Well, I think first, in America, there's a freedom of speech, right?
	So...
	He can say whatever he wants.
	And I respect, I understand.
	But of course, I have my views.
	We did not debate about China, U.S. trade or manipulation.
	We did not debate.
	Actually, we agreed.
	On something.
	Small business.
	Developing the Midwest America.
	Helping the farmers there.
	Small business there.
	Exporting to China.
	So we all agree.
	But something that we did not discuss about.
	The American.
	The job losing to China.
	Mexico.
	Okay.
	So he had a nice meeting with him.
	Sounds like.
	Yeah.
	And then.
	I think everybody who's met with Trump.
	If you think about it, there's all kinds of burying people.
	They try to buttonhole them as they leave the elevator.
	They've all said they've had a good meeting.
	So it gives good meeting, apparently.
	Yeah, and Ma said, you know, he listens.
	He's very open.
	Gee, I don't know.
	Why didn't they run him out of town?
	And then Jack Ma gave us his...
	Um, analysis of our system, the United States system, how we are part of the global community and what we, the choices we made, our strategy over the past, uh, well, let's say 40 to 50 years, actually longer.
	Can I share with you my ideas, please?
	Yeah.
	I think 30 years ago, when I just graduated from universities, I heard America had a wonderful strategy.
	They outsource the manufacturer job, service jobs.
	They outsource the manufacturer to Mexico and China.
	They outsource the service job to India.
	There's a book called The World is Flat.
	Tom Friedman, colleague of the New York Times.
	And I think it's a perfect strategy.
	You know that the Americans said, we just want to control the IP, we just want technology, we just want the brand, to leave the law and the jobs for the world.
	Great strategy.
	And second is that the American international companies made millions and millions of dollars from globalization.
	The top 100 companies in America.
	Past 30 years, IBM, Cisco, Microsoft, they made tons of money.
	The money, the profit they made are much more than the four largest banks in China put together.
	The China mobile phone, China Unicom, and whatever you name it, put together.
	Still, these multinational companies made more money than that.
	So, their market cap grew more than 100 times in past 30 years.
	But where'd the money go?
	This is what I'm curious because as a business people, I always care about the balance sheet.
	Where's the money coming?
	Where's the money go?
	Past the 30 years, the American had 13 walls, spending $14.2 trillion.
	The money going there.
	What if they spend a part of that money on building up the infrastructure?
	Helping the white colors and blue colors No matter how strategic good it is, you're supposed to spend money on your own people, right?
	Not everybody can pass Harvard.
	Like me, they're not good at education, right?
	We should spend money on those people who are not good at schooling.
	And the other money, which I'm curious about, when I was young, I heard America is about Ford, Ford, and Boeing, those big manufacturer companies.
	The last 10-20 years I heard about is Silicon Valley and Wall Street.
	The money go to the Wall Street.
	And what happened?
	Year 2008, the financial crisis wiped out 19.2 trillion dollars, USA a lot.
	They wiped out all the white colors and destroyed 34 million jobs globally.
	So what if the money, it's not Wall Street, what if the money spent on the Middle East, middle web of the United States?
	Developing the industry there, that could be changed a lot.
	So it's not the other countries steal jobs from you guys.
	It is your strategy.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We take the money and we go attack brown people who live in the sand instead of building up infrastructure.
	Yeah, that's why there's potholes on the road that's right outside my house.
	It's a highway, U.S. Highway 80.
	It's an interstate highway with potholes all over the place.
	John C. DeVore acts pet peeve of the day.
	Final clip, and this is what I don't like about Jack Ma.
	In fact, I find this quite dangerous, what he's doing.
	He's building something called EWTP. Which is the...
	It's basically a network that will enable people to connect with manufacturing, sales, etc.
	That's pretty much what Alibaba does.
	But there's something else they do, and that is credit.
	They do...
	By the way, they do a crappy job.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's not that these...
	No, because you...
	Like, you want to...
	You know, you're finishing your little podcast device.
	I'm going to come up with a microphone.
	They have, the connections are terrible.
	They never respond.
	These companies are dumb.
	Eric had a problem with it because he outsourced the rings and some of these other things to, including some mugs to China, and they got screwed on a couple of deals.
	One guy just stole the money.
	A lot of theft.
	They don't do anything about that.
	Anyway, I'm sorry.
	Go on.
	Yeah, of course there's fraud and the fake products, which I didn't clip it, but he actually went on to say that a lot of these fake products, like the fake brand name bags and stuff like that, he says, it is so good That sometimes the quality of the knockoffs is better than the original.
	I agree with that.
	And he said, we would buy knockoffs right off of Alibaba ourselves, send it to the company, and they'd be like, no, that's one of ours.
	Even though it wasn't.
	That's just an interesting tip because you can get the same look and better quality.
	Yeah, it's theft, but oh well.
	But he's come up with something with these microloans, and that's a part of the Alibaba system.
	And based upon your purchasing or your sales behavior through the system, I guess a lot of Chinese must use it.
	Through AI, he has a hands-off credit system that within three minutes, they can determine if you're credit worthy for this $5,000 line of credit.
	And it's done through something called the Sesame card.
	And these cards are kind of like a rating as to your credit score.
	It's very similar to what we have, only this is run by one big commercial company.
	And I think this is very dangerous if you listen to how gleeful he talks about it.
	We are a data company.
	Eight years ago, we said to ourselves, Alibaba should not be an e-commerce company.
	We should be a data company.
	Because we have the data from consumers, we have data from the manufacturer, we have data from the logistic companies and transactions.
	But we think how we can make data really beneficial to the society.
	What China needs is that we have a lot of great people.
	All the small business, they are very credible, but we don't have a credit system for that.
	So how can we use a credit rating system based on the data we have to give everybody a sesame rating system?
	That is so powerful in the past four years.
	Because every individual, every small business, if they have been using our services, We give them a rating system.
	So we're giving loans.
	In the past five years, we're giving 5 million business loans.
	They only borrow $5,000.
	Three minutes, we can decide whether we should give you money, how much I'm going to give.
	Within one second, the money will be in your account.
	And zero people touch.
	So we call it 310.
	And even today, the sesame rating system become people dating.
	The mother-in-law want to say, hey, you want to date with my daughter?
	Show me your rating system of the sesame card.
	So it's so funny.
	We go to the people want to rent a car, people want to rent a bicycle.
	They will say, show me your sesame cards.
	Good.
	Because if they do not pay back...
	And this is coming everywhere, I guarantee you.
	This is what social media will be used for.
	Let's see how many likes you have.
	Let's see what people say about you.
	That's how credit ratings are going to be determined.
	And maybe we'll all have a sesame card.
	God, I don't know.
	I don't like that part about Jack Ma.
	Well, he's all jubilant about it.
	Yeah, that's the problem.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Alright.
	Do you want to hear kind of like Davos?
	I don't believe this was at Davos, but it was Theresa May.
	Ah, yes.
	The big Brexit speech.
	First of all, we can listen.
	If you want to listen to a little bit of back and forth with Angus Robertson, the head of Scotland, asking a question that is kind of mean-spirited.
	Or you want to hear Theresa in her little speech.
	Let's go with the speech.
	This is Theresa May on Brexit on PBS. I listened to it last night when I was in bed, and it was so boring.
	British Prime Minister Theresa May declared today that her government wants a clean break from the European Union.
	May light out her thinking as Britain gets ready to negotiate terms for leaving the EU. She confirmed it means an end to Britain's role in Europe's single market and to travel without passports.
	But she also issued a warning.
	I know there are some voices calling for a punitive deal that punishes Britain and discourages other countries from taking the same path.
	That would be an act of calamitous self-harm for the countries of Europe, and it would not be the act of a friend.
	Britain would not, indeed we could not, accept such an approach.
	I'd like to play the Euronews response from Brussels to her speech.
	I was going to say, this seemed like a veiled threat.
	In what regard?
	She says that we're not going to put up with anybody messing with us because we're doing this.
	Yeah.
	And before you play your clip, which you should play, you should also listen to the second little gotcha in this thing, which I thought was just, like, outrageous.
	But this is the Parliament vote on the final deal, which actually follow what she just said with this.
	May also promise that Parliament will be able to vote on the final deal, likely in 2019.
	Yeah, that's how long it will take for the negotiation.
	That's not even...
	No, that's before the negotiation.
	That's just to say, okay, let's do it.
	What?
	Yes!
	No!
	Yes!
	Two years before they even vote?
	And we're going to keep talking about this two years after Article 50.
	Oh my goodness.
	Well, yes, I think you're right, actually.
	Here's the douchebags in Brussels.
	British Prime Minister Theresa May has been accused of wanting to cherry-pick European Union benefits in her speech setting out her Brexit priorities.
	While she stressed Britain will quit the EU single market, she also said she'd seek a separate trade agreement.
	The EU's Brexit negotiator was unimpressed.
	We shall never accept a situation in which it is better to be outside the European Union, outside the single market, than to be a member of the European Union.
	If you want the advantages of a single market and a customs union, you have to take also the obligations.
	We need a fair agreement and certainly not under threat.
	Some political leaders in the EU may have given a lukewarm reception to May's speech, but in London, her Brexit minister David Davis said his job was to persuade Europe that a reciprocal deal would be best.
	So our approach is not about cherry-picking, but about reaching a deal which fits the aims of both sides.
	We understand the EU wants to preserve its four freedoms and to chart its own course.
	Pretty much every country in the world that's not subject to sanctions has access to the single market.
	We will have access to the single market.
	The question that this is about is the terms.
	The Brexit talks are expected to be one of the most complicated negotiations in post-World War II European history.
	Brussels has described May's aim of wrapping them up in two years as ambitious.
	See, here they say talking about wrapping it up in two years.
	But you heard the last word.
	It's ambitious.
	It's ambitious.
	Yeah.
	Why is that?
	Is that so hard?
	Actually, I guess so.
	If you look at all the treaties and everything that's been signed, it goes back to 1950 with the European Atomic Energy Union, I think.
	Did it start off that way?
	I don't remember.
	I mean, it gets retold a number of times.
	There's so many treaties.
	Yeah, it's a mess.
	It's great for lawyers.
	It's fantastic.
	Well, here we go.
	Let's go to Parliament.
	Yeah.
	And play May versus Angus, part one.
	Hold on.
	Yeah, I got it.
	It's a Robertson game.
	Shortly after the Prime Minister confirmed that she wants to take the UK out of the single European market, the Scottish Parliament voted by a large cross-party majority to remain in the single European market, just as a large majority of people in Scotland voted to remain in the European Union.
	The Prime Minister has said that Scotland is an equal partner in the United Kingdom.
	Does she still believe this is true, or is she just stringing the people of Scotland along?
	I might refer the right honourable gentleman to my speech yesterday, where I reiterated my commitment to be working with the devolved administrations to ensure that their voice is heard, that their interests are taken into account as we proceed along this path of negotiating our exit.
	From the European Union.
	And also, I specifically reference the Scotland Plan.
	I understand the Welsh Government will be producing a plan for Wales for us to look at too.
	That Scotland Plan will be being considered by the JMC on European negotiations tomorrow, I believe.
	We will be looking at it seriously and working with the Scottish Government on the proposals they bring forward.
	Mr Robertson.
	Scotland's leading economic forecaster says, and I quote, that real wages will fall...
	Tories jeering and cheering when the forecast for people's income is that it is likely to drop by £2,000 and that 80,000 people may lose their jobs in Scotland as a result of the hard Tory Brexit plan of the Prime Minister.
	Does the Prime Minister believe that this is a price worth paying for her little Britain Brexit?
	Yeah.
	Her little Britain Brexit.
	Yeah, little Britain Brexit.
	Angus, you want to play the second one?
	Yeah, you can play the second one.
	This is her answer and...
	Pretty much the same.
	Then she kind of does the put-down line you have to do traditionally at the end of the little spiel.
	For her little Britain Brexit.
	I repeat what I said earlier.
	We will be working to ensure that we get the best possible deal in terms of access to the single market and continuing to cooperate in partnership with the member states of the remaining 27 member states of the European Union.
	But the right honourable gentleman once again talks about the possibility of negative impact on Scotland if Scotland were not part of the single market.
	His party is dedicated to taking Scotland out of the single market by taking it out of the United Kingdom.
	I wish it was like that here in the States.
	That's so fun, the way they do that.
	It is fun.
	I like it.
	I like it.
	The question comes to mind, kind of.
	What are they doing different in the EU? And they're running it out of Brussels.
	And you talked about the situation with you and your inability to get your passport approved to go to Europe on the last show.
	And everybody was afraid.
	What are they doing differently?
	Because if you look at the UK, the UK has, it's really, what, four kingdoms?
	It's got Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland, and then England.
	Britain, England, yeah.
	England.
	And so you have these four groups, they all speak English, and they can't get along with each other.
	You transfer that to the EU, where you have 26 countries, or 27, and they all speak different languages.
	They never got along with each other historically ever, much the same way the Scots and the English never got along with each other.
	But that seems to be working better in terms of whatever system they have overseeing the whole thing, which is nothing close to a democracy.
	It's a form of bureaucratic dictatorship, for all practical purposes, run out of Brussels.
	Based on lies that sovereignty would remain.
	But once you have people's money, once you have the banks, we have the fiscal union, they've got the banks under control.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	We've got to move along because we're running long today.
	I don't want to be too long.
	I do need to play just a little bit of...
	Well, here's the jingle.
	We begin with the...
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	On Fox, I told you many weeks ago that the Clinton Global, months ago actually, the Clinton Global Initiative is shutting down.
	And out of Bill Clinton's own mouth, yeah, the sponsors are, you know, they've got other things to do.
	Yes, we know where the money's going.
	It's going to Obama's My Brother's Keeper Foundation, which I think at this point has about $200 million committed.
	That's why he's staying in Washington.
	And this was well known that this was going to happen.
	But somehow Fox has convoluted this, the Clinton Global Initiative, into the Clinton Foundation, and they come up with this report, which is really crap.
	We begin with the controversial Clinton Global Initiative.
	Remember that?
	Well, they're closing the doors for good.
	This comes after Hillary Clinton's crushing loss in the presidential election this November and months after WikiLeaks uncovered emails that reportedly showed corrupt management helping donors get political access rather than focusing on charitable work around the world.
	Employee layoffs take effect in April.
	Fact check false.
	Yeah, that's incorrect.
	It was not about the Clinton Global Initiative.
	It was about the Clinton Foundation.
	And I think that what you'll see now in these urban myths, you know, like Assad used chemical weapons, which has been disproven, it'll be, oh, they shut it down.
	I mean, people will actually believe that.
	And even crazier.
	Well, they're already believing it.
	And even crazier.
	Although he's still not surfaced, former CEO of the Clinton Foundation, not Global Initiative Foundation, Eric Braverman, apparently, is going to work for the Google nonprofit, which is run by Eric Schmidt.
	Now, we have not seen the guy.
	We don't know if he's actually alive, but that is where he will be turning up, apparently.
	Could be at the lunchroom over at Google just eating, chowing down.
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	Let me see.
	Douchebag and birthday.
	Shout out to the love of my life, Charlie Serpa, who I successfully hit in the mouth.
	A couple that no agendas together stays together.
	Thank you for your amazing deconstruction of the media and for helping us make sense.
	Okay, so douchebag for Charlie Serpa.
	Douchebag!
	There you go.
	Is she on the birthday list?
	I don't remember seeing an Audrey.
	I'll check.
	Onward with the list.
	Yes, on the list.
	The following people are $50 donors, name and location.
	Linda McAvoy, Linda McAvoy in Dublin, Ireland.
	We were talking about that.
	Greg Dial, parts unknown.
	Amitav Hajra in Daleville, Virginia.
	John Camp in Antlers, Oklahoma.
	Favorite town name.
	Jason Clegg in San Diego, California.
	Kevin Porter in Beaver Creek, Ohio.
	Andrew Gusick in Greensboro, North Carolina.
	Sean Smith in Ashland, Tennessee.
	Brian Noni in Smyrna, Georgia.
	Michael Gates in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
	Israel Cazares, parts unknown.
	Scott Lavender in Montgomery, Texas.
	Joel DeRuin, USA. Bill LeClaire, slowly I turned.
	Riverdale, Massachusetts, Michigan.
	Andrew Haverson in Gravenhurst, Ontario.
	A lot of 50s today.
	Paul Rudkin in Canada somewhere, or CN, or CN. It's got to be Canada.
	I think it is.
	Anyway, Paul, sorry.
	Beaumont Proudfoot in Halliday's Point, New South Wales, Australia.
	You run into him at the meetup.
	Matthew Mungin in Baltimore, Maryland, and last but not least, Benjamin Wilson in Hummelstown, Pennsylvania.
	And Susan Johnson in Newburgh, Oregon.
	CN is China, John.
	Oh, that's right.
	Yeah, he's in China.
	China.
	China.
	Very good.
	I have two quick notes to read.
	First from Sir Rory Stone.
	This is a night in need, he says.
	A massive need of job karma, ASAP, due to being unemployed since September, basically.
	Can't afford to donate currently, but will be the best donor in South Dakota.
	Episode 1 listening and growing older with two of you has been very rewarding as a producer-listener to Rory Stone.
	So let me give that to him right now.
	Oh, wait.
	This will be Jobs Karma.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for Jobs!
	You've got karma.
	And I got another big box here at the Crackpot Condo from our friend Duggar.
	And it's very interesting.
	The box was filled with...
	He said, okay, the cookies...
	I put some home-baked chocolate chip cookies in there.
	Are not, repeat, not magical.
	Just your basic chocolate chip and sugar cookie.
	The flight calculators, you see, he put in a very interesting box.
	Two flight calculators, which are kind of like a slide rule with extended bits on it, so you can calculate crosswind components, etc., which I don't even have them anymore, but I did learn how to use them when I was flying.
	He found those, thought they were kind of funny.
	A mini deck of cards, and...
	He says the mushrooms, and there's a bag of shrooms, are magical.
	So always start small.
	I love how our producers just send me drugs.
	Very interesting.
	Well, he sent me a box, too, without the drugs.
	You didn't get the shrooms?
	No, I don't know why.
	What did you get in the box?
	I got a Mennonite cookbook.
	I love our producers, man.
	They're fantastic.
	Well, I will try them.
	I've never done shrooms.
	I will try them.
	Not on a prep night.
	No.
	Someday.
	Actually, after a Sunday show and you're bored, it might not be a bad time.
	No, because I'm so tired.
	That's perfect.
	How do you know?
	Have you ever done shrooms?
	I don't talk about things like that.
	Okay.
	Thank you all so much for your support of our program, The Best Podcast in the Universe.
	$50 or more, of course.
	Under $50 is usually for reasons of anonymity, but we have a ton of great subscriptions that you can contribute to the program, and please keep all of the artwork, the jingles, the clips, the information.
	Keep it coming.
	That is why it works.
	True participation, media, value for value.
	And we have another show coming up on Sunday.
	Dvorak.org slash N-A-M. And today we congratulate Sir Herb Lamb celebrating on the 21st of January.
	Dee Carrother says happy birthday to Keith Carlisle.
	He celebrated on the 16th.
	And Audrey Symes says happy birthday to the love of her life.
	And, well, he's now a douchebag.
	Charlie Serpa, he celebrated yesterday.
	Happy birthday from all your buddies here at the best podcast in the universe!
	And no nights.
	No nights, John.
	We have no nights, no nothing.
	I have a question for you, though.
	Actually, more an observation.
	As we move into the Depression era, this is a setup for your book, of course.
	Yes.
	As we move into the Depression era, we have Depression food.
	Obviously, we have the bugs.
	We have mac and cheese.
	But I've noticed something else that's been happening in Austin.
	And whether you make an appointment to get your hair cut, whether you make an appointment at a reservation at a restaurant, more and more companies are saying, yeah, it's hairdressers.
	Yeah, I need your credit card as a deposit.
	When did this become trend?
	Well, I don't know that this is going on here at all.
	I know there are a minimum number of restaurants that require this, but they're very high-end restaurants.
	And you're expected to drop like $300 a head at least.
	Oh no, these are just regular restaurants.
	But regular restaurants.
	And hairdressers.
	Hairdressers, it's not, I'm telling you, there's nothing like that.
	This is a local phenomenon.
	And Christina went to get her claws and paws at the manicure credit card deposit.
	In Europe?
	Right here, when she was here.
	Oh, okay, just again, it's a local phenomenon.
	You got some crooks there that are taking advantage of these people, or goofballs that are just making reservations just to kill their business.
	Well, I'd like to know if any other...
	There could be a business war going on.
	Maybe other people have this in their town.
	I don't know.
	I watched the game with Dallas.
	Holy crap, I'm glad I watched that game.
	Isn't it a great game?
	Oh my god, at the end, that was fantastic!
	Yes.
	Aaron Rodgers is kick-ass.
	It was a very exciting game.
	I like that a lot.
	And since we only have four teams left, we have the New England Patriots versus the Steelers, and then we have Green Bay Packers versus the Atlanta Falcons, I think it is time for us to determine who will be the winner of the Super Bowl based upon no agenda process of elimination.
	Geopolitical.
	Geopolitical, yes.
	I think I know.
	Okay, because I have no clue.
	Well...
	And you are better at this than I am.
	You have beaten me head-to-head a couple of times.
	So from a geopolitical standpoint...
	Excuse me.
	I know what the end has to be.
	It has to be the Steelers versus the Packers.
	And the reason for that is both Pittsburgh and Wisconsin, Green Bay, were incredibly supportive of Trump.
	They flipped.
	And I'm going to say the Green Bay Packers take it based on this.
	Well, if the Green Bay Packers can manage to get past Atlanta, which is not a sure thing by any means, because Atlanta's a better team...
	I think they could, because...
	You're basing it on skill.
	I'm basing it on it being rigged.
	I know, but yes.
	Well, if you're basing it on being rigged, they have the excuse because they have been running a...
	I have to give you this.
	They've been running a kind of a...
	What do you call it?
	Not a litany, but a storyline.
	They've been running this storyline.
	On Aaron Rodgers.
	He's come on in the second half.
	This is how many games in a row they've won.
	He's the best thrower ever.
	He's a very accurate passer.
	Everybody likes him.
	He looks a little like Paul Ryan.
	It's one thing after another.
	So they've been running this storyline.
	They have not been running storylines on anybody else except Dallas.
	And Dallas was beaten by this guy.
	And so I think...
	You might be onto something.
	It's a possibility.
	Let's put it this way.
	I wouldn't be stunned if that happened.
	Who was the catcher who caught that pass and kept it in bounds?
	I think it was Cook.
	Oh man, that was great.
	That was a pretty phenomenal...
	A follow-up from our two to the head category...
	I looked it up.
	It was October 2014 that we played a series of clips from Udo Ulfkotte of Bild.
	Sometimes the intelligence agencies, they come to your office and want you to write an article.
	I give you an example not from strange other journalists, from me myself.
	The German Foreign Intelligence, Bundesnachrichtendienst, it is just a sister organization of the Central Intelligence Agency.
	It was founded by the American Intelligence Agency.
	So one day, the BND, this German Foreign Intelligence Agency, came to my office at the Frankfurter Allgemeine.
	Frankfurter Allgemeines.
	They wanted me to write an article about Libya and about Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.
	I had absolutely no secret information regarding Colonel Muammar Gaddafi and Libya.
	But they gave me all these secret information and they just wanted me to sign the article with my name.
	I did that.
	But it was an article that was published in the Frankfurt Allgemeine that originally came from the Bundesnachrichtendienst, from the German foreign intelligence agency.
	So do you really think that this is journalism, intelligence agencies writing articles?
	By coincidence, I think two or three shows ago, you sent me an email saying, hey, this is good.
	Let's talk about this guy as we lead in, you know, talking about media and how corrupt they are.
	This guy died.
	He's dead.
	What?
	Yeah.
	A few days before his 57th birthday, heart attack.
	Mm-hmm.
	He was probably told not to mention any of this.
	Of course he was told not to mention any of that.
	Eh, heart attack.
	Heart failure, actually, they say.
	Heart failure.
	Yeah, a little prussic acid in the face.
	57 years old.
	Beautiful.
	I also heard that Roger Stone is claiming he was...
	Now all you out there that are going to use this material, yes.
	You have to, if they tell you to shut up, I guess you've got to shut up.
	Yeah, certainly avoid small aviation and all that stuff.
	Hot tubs.
	And hot tubs.
	One quickie, just a funny little entremant.
	This was a question that was asked during Janet Yellen, our chair of the Fed, the Federal Reserve, by one of the journalists in the room.
	And I just, I think I fell over when I heard this.
	It's my proud duty to convey the questions that I've been handed.
	My proud duty to ask you the questions that I've been handed.
	Ask this.
	Just ask it.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah, this is the modern world we live in.
	We have...
	Time is short.
	We're almost near the 10-minute warning.
	I got a bunch of stuff.
	I can push this off because it's really good.
	I'd like to do tech news on Sunday, if you don't mind.
	Why don't we do tech news on Sunday?
	You want to do tech news on Sunday?
	Because I have the Samantha Power stuff that I can move forward.
	Let me see if I've...
	Okay, I have some...
	Well, the funny clips from the confirmation hearings we can do on Sunday.
	That'll stay good.
	There's so much material that almost no one has what we have, but some very funny stuff.
	Okay, let's do some tech news.
	That's right, everybody!
	Big phone's a landline, and the phone should be made out of Bakelite.
	That's good to take horny.
	This is where the real tech music plays.
	Alright, John.
	Alright, so we started off today, and now we're late.
	Yes.
	Because of, this is not really as much tech news as it is tech complaining.
	Well, let me start this off with last night.
	Actually, two days ago.
	So your pal and my pal Andrew Horowitz said, hey, I'd really love to try streaming DH Unplugged on Tuesday when you guys record it.
	He said, okay, no problem.
	I'll set you up.
	So I set him up and talked to Void Zero.
	And Void said, well, we can set it all up for him, but just give me your credentials, log in, and then you can test it out and see if you like it.
	So I set it up with him over the phone.
	I said, okay, now connect, and it should connect to the server, and he couldn't connect.
	I'm like, that's very odd.
	And I'm doing this over the phone.
	Someone said, well, let me try.
	And I can't connect.
	And, of course, I've changed nothing.
	I've changed nothing in my setup that I know of.
	I've rebooted, but I haven't done anything else.
	And I can't connect.
	And now it's like 1 a.m.
	and void zero.
	And I ping him.
	He's coming.
	I'm saying, look, man, it's too late for you.
	We'll do it tomorrow.
	So yesterday, for almost five hours, we were trying to figure this out.
	And here's the crate.
	So essentially what my computer has to go through a port, has to connect to our streaming server, and then, you know, initiate, and then you send the stream.
	And it would not connect.
	Now, I could Telnet into the port, and we were using TCP dump, you know, to see if just anything showed up, and I would Telnet in, no problem.
	The same port with Shoutcast?
	I couldn't even get it to register TCP dump on my own computer.
	In other words, I was trying to start a stream with software that is available and approved, as far as I know.
	It's in the App Store, so it's allowed to run within the Apple security environment, which is where it gets kind of weird.
	But the program was not sending packets even to my Ethernet card.
	And we've tried every...
	We're tunneling through SSH, and he keeps saying, it must be your Mac.
	You know that.
	Come on, man.
	I didn't upgrade.
	The last system update was December 30th.
	Well, turns out that Apple has decided, and not really mentioned, that they are refusing anything that uses HTTP 0.9.
	And they're actually sandboxing it.
	And I don't know when they snuck this in because it didn't happen to me after the December 30 update.
	But Shoutcast specifically uses HTTP 0.9.
	This is interesting because Horowitz also uses a Mac.
	Well, he would know.
	It gets more interesting because he was using a Windows machine to do that, and I think Windows has now also sandboxed 0.9, but it's pretty much not even mentioned.
	Why?
	I guess they don't think it's important.
	Now, to be honest, the Shoutcast protocol, it's old Icecast is kind of where you want it to be these days.
	The software I'm using that I like using only supports Shoutcast.
	But I don't think they ever thought about that.
	They said, nah, 0.9, screw it.
	It has actually affected people in the reverse.
	If you're using Safari, for instance, and you want to listen to a Shoutcast stream, you can't get it in.
	For the same reason.
	You cannot listen to a shoutcast stream.
	It has to be icecast.
	And this is just completely undocumented.
	Huh.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	Indeed.
	I put a couple of links in the show notes if people want to take a look and see exactly what happened, 896.noagendanotes.com.
	And then this morning, every morning before the show, I reboot the router.
	So before this morning, though, before this morning, you've already wasted five, six, seven hours, God knows how much time.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Just to show you how much time you have to use to make anything work.
	And boy, were we happy when we figured it out.
	Like, holy crap.
	I mean, that was insane.
	I mean, checking firewalls, all kinds of stuff.
	Then this morning, I reboot my cable modem, I reboot the computer, and for routing internally in the Mac, I use a great product called Loopback, which allows you to create virtual devices, and that's actually how I currently string everything together to make it work.
	And Apple is pretty good, macOS with their core audio.
	But I did not know that this Loopback product from Rogue Amiga...
	I had install automatic updates on, but I've never looked at that.
	And so I'm like, well, something's wrong.
	I open up Loopback.
	Oh, yeah, you need to update.
	It won't work until you've updated.
	And by the way, you can't update because Skype is using it and your audio system is using it.
	So I changed that, and then we just couldn't get it to work.
	I spent another hour.
	Before I finally, you know, had everything updated properly.
	And, you know, I don't mind updates, but this doing stuff without telling people is bullcrap, man.
	It's bullcrap.
	Which reminds me of a George Morrow story.
	Who's George Morrow?
	George Morrow was a pretty famous industry pioneer who...
	It was an engineer in the Valley that had Morrow designs and it was during the 80-80 era, Z-80 era, he was a big shot.
	And a nice guy and very funny, he was also outspoken and he was a character.
	And he used to produce all kinds of different boards and computer systems.
	And he would always discuss these boards.
	In other words, like an I.O. board or a disk controller.
	I think they did one for the big 8-inch drives.
	There was a disk controller they made.
	He always talked about this idea of upgrading anything that has been on the market too long.
	And believing, and he wouldn't do it, I mean, because he said you can patch a lot of these boards, there's usually simple fixes, but there's some companies that would do this constantly, they try to perfect the board.
	He says the problem was always with the users of these products who would invariably, within very short time frame and with the kind of group thinking, design and use workarounds.
	Mm-hmm.
	And he says once the workarounds were like all over the place, you really had to leave the board alone.
	Yeah.
	Because once you changed anything, the workarounds would all stop working and sometimes be very destructive.
	And then trying to reverse engineering is the thing that drives me crazy.
	You know, if you don't know what changed, you know, workarounds are stuff you put it in place, you forget about it.
	Yes, and he was a big believer in minimizing, interfering with the workarounds, because the workarounds always worked.
	And they were passed around, people knew what they were, and they said, oh yeah, well that has a bug, and you have to do this.
	And once these things are in place, the thing works like a champ.
	But a lot of companies would, yeah, let's change it.
	Nothing worked.
	Well, I'll tell you, once the podcast studio is done, and God willing, hoping maybe February now for the Kickstarter.
	And we're also going to bundle an official John C. Dvorak microphone.
	It'll be beautiful because then all of that is taken off of the computer.
	The only thing you use the computer for is just to play stuff if you want.
	If you want to play.
	All functions are hard-coded in one box.
	Beautiful.
	This is driving me nuts.
	And I'm going to switch to Linux because Apple has lost its way.
	I really wanted the new PowerBook.
	Or the MacBook Pro, I'm sorry.
	Yeah.
	No way.
	I hear only bad things about it.
	Only bad things.
	Yeah, I haven't heard anything good either.
	It's just...
	It's sad.
	They don't care about their customers.
	They really don't care about their customers anymore, I think.
	It's not the way they see it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	All right.
	Anything else for the tech news?
	Uh, no, I think we're good with tech news.
	Alright, let's close it off!
	iPhone schmy phone!
	Less than 10 minutes to go.
	Okay?
	Okay!
	Well, with less than 10 minutes, I have one clip, and then you can do whatever you want to finish.
	I want to play this one.
	This is to keep everybody up to date with the ever-changing story about the Fort Lauderdale shooter.
	Now, apparently, he didn't have people talking to him, but he is looking at ISIS stuff, so I don't know.
	In a Florida courtroom today, the suspect in the deadly shooting rampage at the Fort Lauderdale airport was ordered to remain behind bars until trial.
	During the hearing, prosecutors said Esteban Santiago gave conflicting explanations as to his motive.
	The FBI says Santiago first claimed the government was controlling his mind, but later said he was inspired by ISIS-linked chat rooms and websites.
	And they arrested his wife.
	No, no, that...
	That's the wife they arrested is the guy who was the Orlando nightclub shooter.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	This is Fort Lauderdale.
	Yes, crap.
	I'm sorry.
	That whole thing is very odd.
	Yes.
	He says, oh, the government's trying to make me watch ISIS videos.
	And now the story is, oh, I've been watching ISIS videos.
	The government hasn't said anything about this.
	Which makes me think, you know, just the opposite.
	I'm going to spend a little bit of the time in the next few days looking through the CIA document dump.
	12 million declassified documents.
	Oh, please do.
	I knew about this.
	I saw it and I said, oh my god.
	Is there going to be a search engine we can use?
	I hope so.
	WikiLeaks front end or something that might work.
	Here's the two stories I pulled out.
	CIA admits it carried out secret psychic experiments on Uri Geller.
	For those of you too young to remember, Uri Geller was a guy who could bend spoons with his mind.
	Yeah, it was a fake.
	Yeah.
	And it was also Operation Artichoke, which was another mind control project, not unlike MKUltra.
	I had not heard of Artichoke.
	I have.
	You have?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I don't know the details, but I have heard of it for sure.
	Right.
	So I'll look at that, and I'll see if I can come up with anything good.
	And let me see.
	Yeah, so for Sunday, I'll definitely have a number of, I think, very entertaining clips from the confirmation hearings, which just shows you that just the two universes.
	It's right there, and it's right in our...
	Right in our government.
	Okay, when is the next...
	Well, I do have the Samantha Power interview that was done as she's leaving.
	Yeah.
	And again, it's the two-universe thing, I believe, with some crazy stuff in there that is a four-parter that I think everyone will be entertained by because it's very deconstructed by me.
	I like it, I like it, I like it, I like it.
	Okay, um...
	When is the next game I should be looking at?
	Well, these games that you talked about are being played this weekend, and so this weekend you want to, there's two games obviously, the ones you mentioned, to see if these numbers come out correctly.
	Okie dokie.
	We'll see.
	I think a great Super Bowl, I think everybody would love to see the Steelers play the Packers.
	That's why they're going to do it.
	Coming to you from the crackpot condo here in downtown Austin, Tejas, in the skyscraper, FEMA Region 6 on the maps.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	Land from northern Silicon Valley where this will be a respite from the rainstorms.
	It's actually sunny out right now.
	I expect the storms to return tomorrow and the drought is long since over.
	Yes.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We'll be back on Sunday, right here on No Agenda.
	Remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA.
	Adios, mofos!
	Dvorak.
	He just reads the comments on their Faceback page.
	Gonna read Faceback.
	Gonna lose some brain cells.
	Gonna read Faceback.
	Read comments from Shills Hey!
	Hey!
	Listen!
	You're in my house!
	Hey!
	Hey!
	Come on, guys!
	Shame on you!
	Hey!
	Hey!
	Okay!
	I'm up in the house!
	Hey!
	Hey!
	In the booth!
	Thanks, Obama.
	You said when you mix, you know, that when you mix arrows, when you mix affection for one another, that could be manifested sexually.
	I don't care if you go...
	Yeah, it has to be four.
	It has to be four.
	It couldn't be three.
	And from...
	Samantha, he's a comedian.
	I'm saying that she did a report about, about, about what you said about me.
	Four times.
	Four times.
	Four.
	You will not find where this has worked.
	Never has it worked.
	You said the idea of one another that could be manifested sexually, I don't care if...
	About, about, about, about...
	That's fair.
	I want to back this up.
	That goes when you go all in the shower.
	This is an alternative universe.
	Manifested sexually, I don't care.
	One another that could be manifested sexually, I don't care if you go...
	That goes, you are!
	This is an alternative universe.
	And there it is!
	I don't care if you go anywhere in history.
	You will not find where it could be manifested sexually.
	I don't care if you go.
	This is an alternative universe.
	And there it is!
	You are!
	And there it is!
	You fast enough.
	Of course we could.
	Could we find a few who could do the pull-ups?
	Of course we could.
	That's not the point.
	Of course we could.
	Could we find a few?
	Of course we could.
	Could we find a few?
	Of course we could.
	Could we find a few?
	Of course we could.
	Could we find a few?
	Of course we could.
	Could we find a few?
	Of course we could.
	Well, let's put this aside, okay?
	Who could do?
	Of course we could.
	Could we find a few?
	Who could do the pull-ups?
	Of course we could.
	That's not the point.
	Twitter.
	Let's put that aside.
	Troll people on Twitter.
	Let's put that aside.
	Troll people on Twitter.
	Find a few.
	Four times.
	Four.
	in the morning.
	I want to talk for a second about, about, about, about, about, about, about.
	This is an alternative universe.
	I want to talk for a second about... About... About... About... About... About... About... This is an alternative universe.
	And he got his victory from cheating.
	This is an alternative universe.
	I want to talk for a second about Always a pleasure.
	You can take that to the bank.
	Adios, mofo.
	The best podcast in the universe!

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