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	We just published a dossier.
	Adam Curry, John C. Devorak.
	It's Thursday, January 12th, 2017, and this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 8, Matter 4.
	This is No Agenda.
	Streaming all that is golden, showering the internet with deconstruction and broadcasting live from the darkest corners of the internet here in Austin, Tejas, to New Region 6.
	A.M. in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, without all the puns, I'm John C. DeVore.
	It's Crack, Bob, and Buzzkill in the morning.
	Figured I'd get him out of the way right at the top, just so we're done.
	We're done with it.
	We're done with it.
	Yes.
	You think.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Of course.
	Ah, yeah, it's been quite an interesting couple of days.
	Oh, speaking of the opening of the show, I would like you to know that I feel I miss Plato, Plato says.
	You do?
	Yes.
	And I feel you might want to reconsider bringing him back because London University students are demanding Plato be dropped from courses because they're old white guys.
	Plato and who else?
	Someone else.
	Probably all of them.
	Aristotle.
	Descartes.
	Socrates.
	He's gotta go.
	And this is apparently not a joke.
	I know this is a worldwide phenomenon.
	It's happening here too.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	definitely definitely definitely well uh i'm not quite sure where to start because pretty much what happened in the past few days is the mainstream media fell apart completely melted down and everybody knows it .
	It's really fantastic.
	The credibility is, yeah, I mean, it won't last more than a week, but for now, I think it's kind of low.
	Well, hopefully people listen to the whole show because later in the show I'll show some stuff that ended up covering up.
	It's been the distraction of the week.
	Yes.
	Oh, there's tons of stuff that was covering up.
	I totally agree.
	There's all kinds of stuff.
	Oh, yeah.
	There's great stuff.
	So while everyone is like, oh, I can't wait to hear the show on Thursday.
	It's okay.
	Should we just start?
	Let's take a look.
	What do you think?
	Well, first of all, you know, if we do it alphabetically, if we do it chronologically, we should start with Obama's goodbye speech.
	Yes, his goodbye speech.
	Now, did you catch any of it?
	Yes, I caught the whole thing.
	And I actually have a small clip.
	Not that small, but it's the Obama goodbye.
	I'm sorry to interrupt.
	While I was doing stuff, I found out that listening to CNN is so much better than watching it.
	And I put it on the Sonos, and it's kind of nice.
	I don't know why, but it's much better than watching.
	And what was my point about that?
	I don't know.
	Maybe hearing Obama's...
	Oh, yes.
	I heard him say change.
	I heard him say change a lot.
	We had a lot of change.
	Tons of change.
	The one thing that was bothersome to me is that I was watching it on CBS, but it was on everything.
	And there was some ruckus going on.
	In the early part of the speech, and it was being interrupted.
	Nobody would put the cameras out there to see what it was.
	They eventually put the camera out there for a few seconds and said, and there's a guy holding up a sign with people grabbing at him.
	He's standing up on top of a chair or something, grabbing at him, trying to pull him down.
	And the sign said, pardon us now.
	Huh.
	And he's yelling something.
	Pardon who?
	Well, thank you CBS and the rest of the news media.
	For not letting us know.
	I had no idea what this was all about.
	There is word that Obama may pardon Chelsea Manning.
	Yes.
	You think that's going to happen?
	No.
	I don't either.
	I don't know why they think that.
	I would be stunned if he did.
	I would actually have better feelings toward Obama if he did that, but he won't do it.
	Trump won't do it.
	These are all just part of the machine, no matter what we like to believe.
	All right, so you have a clip.
	You have a...
	Now, the clip, I want to say a couple things before we do it.
	The speech was terrible.
	It was an amalgam of a 2008 speech and his 2012 speech, and people had shown some evidence of that using some of the same phraseologies and gimmicks.
	And this is the part of the speech I thought was the nut.
	This was the part that had what he wanted to say in it.
	And it was, to me, you know, weak in more than a few days in a few ways.
	And there's also he uses an interesting word, which when I looked it up, which kind of made the whole speech, his whole laundry list of complaints redundant because it kind of encompasses all of the stuff he says.
	But play, play.
	We must guard against a weakening of the values that make us who we are.
	Make us who we are.
	And that's why, for the past eight years...
	I've worked to put the fight against terrorism on a firmer legal footing.
	That's why we've ended torture.
	Worked to close Gitmo.
	Reformed our laws governing surveillance to protect privacy and civil liberties.
	Worked to close Gitmo.
	That's why I reject discrimination against Muslim Americans who are just as patriotic as we are.
	I like that.
	I worked to close Gitmo.
	That's pretty good.
	And the other one was, this is why I reject discrimination.
	What is it?
	He said, this is why I reject discrimination.
	What?
	What is why?
	Let's go back a little bit.
	This is really good.
	This is good stuff.
	This is the best part of the whole show.
	Yeah, I got you.
	Just as patriotic as we are.
	Yes!
	Actually, if you could have recorded a sound, the sound that Facebag makes when he did this speech, it would have sounded a bit like this.
	The Facebags were, oh, I'm going to miss him so much.
	Yeah, the Facebags also, according to Mimi, we have a friend that I adore.
	I'm not going to mention her name, but all she does is every day she's posting it over and over again.
	I'm still crying.
	I'm still crying.
	I had a nice chat with Mimi, which may come up later in the show.
	Yes, well, hopefully it will.
	It probably will.
	Let's continue.
	That's why...
	That's why we cannot withdraw...
	That's why we cannot withdraw from big global fights to expand democracy and human rights and women's rights and LGBT rights.
	No matter how imperfect our efforts, no matter how expedient ignoring such values may seem, That's part of defending America.
	For the fight against extremism and intolerance and sectarianism and chauvinism are of a peace with the fight against authoritarianism.
	Lots of isms.
	He's an ism meister today.
	A lot of isms.
	Now, let's stop right here and go to the Book of Knowledge and look up the definition of chauvinism.
	Chauvinism?
	Pretty much everything he said in there.
	Sectarianism, xenophobia, everything that is...
	It's a laundry list of...
	Chauvinism is a very interesting word.
	People only use it as male chauvinist pig.
	Interesting.
	Exaggerated or aggressive patriotism is the first one.
	And the second one is excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for one's own cause, group, or gender.
	Oh, hello.
	Which is Obama.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's Obama and Trump and Clinton and Hitler.
	Everybody.
	Hitler.
	Hitler was a chauvinist.
	Hitler.
	Wow, that's pretty good.
	Let's listen to some more.
	And nationalist aggression.
	Nationalist aggression?
	Yeah.
	He's against nationalist aggression.
	By the way, if you backed it up and started over and thought, this is a promotion of the new world order, one world government, this is the speech you'd give.
	Seriously.
	And meanwhile, by the way, right after this clip, I've got another clip, because he's saying, you know, there's aggressive nationalism, and then there's a clip that follows this, which is the...
	See if I can figure out which one it is.
	It's the clip that was done on NBC and it's about our troops.
	We have a bunch of people who are running around Eastern Europe.
	Can I just try something for a minute?
	Yeah.
	Let me just go back to the beginning of this clip.
	We must guard against a weakening of the values that make us who we are.
	And that's why for the past three years...
	I've worked to put the fight against terrorism.
	I think I can do something with that.
	I've got to work on that.
	Okay, I think you should.
	I work on that.
	Because this is a really good speech.
	I'll work on that.
	Insofar as to ask.
	Anyway, the clip that follows this is NATO saber rattling.
	Because he talks about nationalist aggression.
	But I guess it's okay for NATO to be on our watch with our money.
	No, no, it's a defensive organization.
	What's speaking to you of?
	NATO is a defensive organization.
	Oh, who were they defending when they were bombing Libya?
	The Libyan people against the dictator.
	Oh, okay.
	...land grab that it staged in Crimea when Russian forces invaded what had been part of Ukraine and seized it for the Kremlin.
	America's response was to beef up both its own force in Europe and its support of NATO. Though President-elect Donald Trump, who's called NATO obsolete, says he now wants to pursue good relations with Russia.
	Major General Timothy McGuire.
	How quickly could the new president, as a gesture of goodwill to Russia, turn this whole thing around and pull you all out again?
	I'm not going to speculate on what the incoming president may or may not do, but I will tell you this is in the interest of the United States Army to build readiness.
	Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin has already implied the European build-up is pointless.
	It's stupid and unrealistic, he said, to think that Russia would attack anyone.
	But for the U.S. and its NATO allies, extra deterrence never hurts.
	But that deterrence comes at a price, Scott, and a hefty one.
	Last year, the bill to the U.S. for bolstering European defense came to $3.4 billion.
	Liz Palmer for us tonight.
	Liz, thank you.
	All right.
	Yeah, they're just throwing away $3.4 billion just doing these exercises.
	Sure.
	And we have to haul, you know what, you can't imagine, what does it cost to ship?
	We shipped all the way to like, you know, Estonia.
	A whole crap load of tanks.
	Tanks?
	What does it cost to ship a tank and then ship it back?
	He has a lot of them in the south of the Netherlands as well, and people are talking about that.
	A lot of tanks.
	Those things are expensive to ship.
	They're expensive to build.
	And the mileage, the gas mileage.
	The gas mileage is horrible on those things.
	And the gas mileage sucks.
	That was Obama's speech.
	As I said, I got a lot of the face bag feed of, I'm going to miss him.
	That was the main thing.
	I'm going to miss him so much.
	And at first I didn't get it.
	People just posting without posting a link or a story.
	I thought someone had died.
	It was in the MTV group, you know, the MTV alumni.
	I'm like, but you know, what happened?
	Oh, I'm going to miss him, miss him, miss him.
	But there was no rip, so I'm like, hmm, no love and light.
	Hmm, what's going on?
	And then I'd say, oh, okay, they're all watching Obama.
	Now I get it.
	I can't believe anybody watched that speech.
	It was, you know, he had all the right elements.
	He had the, you know, the big echo, the big boomy sound.
	No, it wasn't done well.
	In fact, I'm pretty sure the big boomy sound he should have had was not the one that was in play.
	I'm glad you mentioned that because I've given speeches with the right sound setups and the normal ones.
	And the right sound setup, just for people out there who ever give a speech, if you find a sound engineer that knows what he's doing, he'll set this up for you like this.
	Yeah.
	The sound setup is that they space the speakers out into this large audience and every one of the speakers is on a certain delay that coincides with the speed of sound, 600 miles an hour or so.
	And they run it through a computer and so your voice is as if you were yelling from one spot When you hear your voice in the back of the room would be the time that sound would actually get there as though you were shouting.
	Speed of sound, I think, is that 600?
	Did you say that?
	600 miles an hour, something like that.
	Okay, I only know when...
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, it's in that arena.
	Anyway, so they have the sound set up, so it sounds like your voice, louder, louder.
	All the way to the end.
	And so you don't get these echoes and you don't get all this crap that you get.
	And when I first was confronted with this kind of a setup, which has a name, some sound engineer will tell us, but sound guys will tell you, yeah, it's expensive to set up because you have to have all these arrays of speakers and they have to be, the distance from you to the speaker has to be measured.
	It's 768 miles per hour.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so that's all figured in with the computer, and it does that.
	So when you first get behind the mic on one of these setups, and you say something, holy crap, you think you're the voice of God.
	Yeah, you think you're the voice of God, exactly.
	That's the whole point.
	It's just huge, unbelievable.
	So I think, therefore, he got what he wanted.
	He wanted that sound.
	I heard an echo.
	I was constantly hearing his voice bouncing off the back wall.
	There is a milestone I need to discuss, just briefly, because it saddens me tremendously.
	Okay.
	I am now officially one of those people...
	Uh-oh.
	You got the Twitter thing.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm not verified.
	No.
	No, no.
	It's much worse.
	I am now one of those people who has his eyeglasses on a chain around his neck.
	Oh, jeez.
	I know.
	I'm thinking...
	Now I'm thinking of dropping the show.
	Yeah.
	It's all downhill from here.
	We can probably ride it for another couple of years, but holy crap.
	Why are you doing this?
	You're doing this to yourself.
	Well, because I only use my glasses indoors to see television or to look outside, obviously.
	And I really don't need them, although it's fuzzy when I'm walking around.
	But my focal length is all messed up.
	So I keep putting my glasses down, and then, of course...
	Oh, I need my glasses.
	Where are my glasses?
	I can never find my glasses.
	The way I usually find them is by sitting on them and breaking them.
	This has happened to you?
	Oh, yes.
	You just don't look where you're sitting?
	Well, this is going to be good.
	Anybody with a whoopee cushion?
	I can't see it.
	I just can't see it.
	Anyway, but I'm not going out of the house with this, obviously.
	Yes.
	I need to have kind of a v-neck sweater that's a little crusty and dirty.
	That would make it perfect.
	You need patches on your elbows.
	Yes, and my eyebrows have to be crazy, out of control.
	Crazy.
	Yeah, definitely.
	However...
	Sorry to hear that.
	Yeah, I know.
	On a different topic, thank you very much for the outstanding use of the word schlock in the newsletter.
	I love that.
	Schlock, man.
	I hadn't heard schlock in years.
	It's a good word.
	Yeah, my parents used to have schlock parties, which I think now is called a white elephant party.
	It used to be called a schlock party.
	And you know how the schlock party works, right?
	You bring a piece of schlock, which is hard to define exactly what a piece of schlock is.
	You know what it is when you see it.
	Just like porn, exactly.
	For instance, your Hillary Clinton laughing pen, that's a piece of schlock.
	It's totally a piece of schlock.
	You know, it's that ashtray with the...
	With the Viennese glass bits.
	Whatever, that's a schlock.
	A nice word.
	We should be bringing more of these words back.
	Well, the newsletter was very ineffective.
	Yeah, I noticed that.
	We can talk about that later.
	Anyway.
	Let's get into this report.
	Okay.
	Do you want to...
	Well, first I want to say...
	There's so many angles we can go.
	First, I want everyone to know that there is a copy of the PDF in the show notes, 894.noagendanotes.com.
	There's also a link in the newsletter.
	Yes.
	And it's well worth a read.
	I mean, it's pretty fun to look over.
	Now, I'm sure you have a background of sorts.
	Well, there's the one backgrounder, the long one, which I don't, it's not even that good.
	It combines the information about the first press conference NBC covered as a backgrounder.
	Now, why don't we just, before playing any, why don't we explain what happened?
	Yeah, it's probably good.
	Now, what happened was BuzzFeed, there's this old memo that's been floating around.
	I have a question about that right off the bat.
	This old memo, which apparently had been around since, some say October, some say June.
	June, July.
	But it was rolled out in October.
	But of all...
	Well, yes, because that douchebag David Korn, this is his source.
	That was funny when I saw his name show up.
	But...
	We did not hear...
	The only thing we heard about this is we knew there was a letter that some senator sent.
	We'd read that on the show and said something's going on.
	This was...
	This must have been six, seven weeks ago.
	But no one ever told us about this.
	I mean, we have a lot of producers inside, you know, different organizations.
	I can't believe that no one even mentioned this to us.
	So if this was around that long, that's interesting.
	This was...
	Here's what I... Here's my basic...
	Corn is an operative for the Hillbots.
	He was a party operative for the Democrats.
	Yeah.
	This was the thing that people should be investigating is who paid for this report.
	We have really don't have.
	I believe the Democratic Party, that's what Greg Greenwald wrote.
	He said this was a guy who had previously done stuff for the Republicans, and he was compiling an intelligence report on Donald Trump for the Democrats.
	Well, do we know that for sure?
	I think the Republicans are the...
	Here's what.
	The dates of the report, the first parts of these reports, before it got lewd, the early ones, the early reports, which are in this document that you can download, it's the different reports all stacked together as one large report.
	Yes, it is.
	Yeah, it's a compendium of sorts.
	So it starts during the primaries.
	Yeah.
	And I think...
	Well, yeah, no, according to Greenwald...
	This guy was first working for the Republicans to get dirt on Trump.
	So it was the anti-Trump Republicans.
	That's the ones that got him started.
	Greenwald's got that right.
	I agree.
	But who was it?
	Yeah, no, he mentions his name.
	Who?
	I'm going to get to it.
	Hold on a second.
	Let me see.
	It was in the Greenwald article.
	I'm surprised you didn't see that.
	The article...
	Greenwald wrote, which I liked a lot, was the deep state goes to war with the president-elect using unverified claims as Democrats cheer.
	And of course, there is some, we do need to talk about that in a moment, about, you know, what is this?
	I'm going to tell you what it is.
	Here it is.
	It was this guy.
	It was like Steve Wright or something, a really plain name.
	No, no, no, you're talking about Steele.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I'm looking for this guy.
	Anyway, continue and I'll give you his name in a minute.
	Okay, now you're talking about the Republican who paid for it.
	No, I'm talking about the guy who did it.
	No, the guy who did it is Steele from Orbis.
	Yes, that's the guy.
	Oh, okay.
	You want to know who paid for it?
	Well, the Republicans...
	No, see, that's what you're missing the point.
	I'm trying to figure out who paid for it.
	That's what I said.
	I think John McCain paid for it.
	Well, he had the report, it seems, the most obvious guy, and he is the a-hole du jour.
	He hates Trump with a passion.
	Yeah, I'd agree.
	That is overlooked completely.
	And now you're saying, well, I was given this, and of course, like every good American to do, I handed it off.
	Yeah, how did he, the two guys that got a hold of it, Harry Reid got a hold of a copy, but McCain got one.
	How did McCain get it?
	I think McCain was working with either Jeb Bush or with Rubio, and they decided to do this, and McCain got a hold of it.
	Mm-hmm.
	He's going to be there.
	How are we going to slip?
	Here's like Rubio.
	How are we going to slip this to the FBI without looking suspicious?
	We're going to get caught.
	And so I'll do it.
	I can do it.
	I'm not running for anything.
	I can just do it.
	I'll do it.
	Because I hate that guy, Trump.
	Yeah.
	Well, he probably got it from his Nazi friends in Ukraine.
	That guy's incredible.
	The people he hangs out with is unreal.
	Yeah, I could again.
	All right, so this report goes in, and then the way I understand it, that, you know, so, okay, let's just say this report was around, fine.
	I find it hard to believe it was around that long.
	We didn't hear about it, but okay.
	Then the president...
	Well, I have a thought on that, too.
	Well, give me that thought now, then.
	Well, first, let's go start with the Korn thing.
	Here's the way I saw it as a situation.
	And do we need to replay David Korn for a second?
	What an idiot that guy is?
	No, I don't think so.
	Okay.
	Beat him up.
	Unless you have a special clip.
	No, no, no.
	Because they didn't bring him into the conversation during this era, this little tête-à-tête that's been going on.
	Oh, but he will be.
	I think so, at some point.
	Here's what I think happened.
	The Republicans tried to bring this, roll this out.
	And if you look at the timeline of the thing, the really dirty parts about the...
	And we'll mention this.
	What happened was this report claims that Trump...
	Went to the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow just for the sole purpose of hiring two hookers.
	This is how nuts Trump must be.
	For the sole purpose of hiring two hookers to pee on the bed that Obama and Michelle slept in because he hates them so much.
	Which, by the way, is not a golden shower to everyone who's making the jokes.
	No, it's not.
	It's just peeing on the bed.
	It's like, you know, wetting on the bed.
	Something different, yeah.
	Now, as an aside, I want to play the Trump, before I get to the point I'm trying to make, but I want to get this out of the way.
	This is the Trump clip describing security in hotel cameras.
	When I leave our country, I'm a very high-profile person, would you say?
	And so modest.
	I am extremely careful.
	I'm surrounded by bodyguards.
	I'm surrounded by people.
	And I always tell them, anywhere, but I always tell them, if I'm leaving this country, be very careful.
	Because in your hotel rooms, and no matter where you go, you're going to probably have cameras.
	You better be careful or you'll be watching yourself on nightly television.
	Does anyone really believe that story?
	I'm also very much of a germaphobe, by the way.
	That part, I love that.
	You know, I can't even shake your hand, let alone have you pee in my bed.
	I thought that was interesting.
	Now, Mark Ames tweeted and I retweeted.
	Can I just relate a personal story about the about Russia?
	Sure.
	I went to Moscow in 1988, the Moscow Music Peace Festival.
	This was before David Hasselhoff brought down the wall.
	As we all know, the Hoff did that.
	And my manager at the time was Lieber and Krebs.
	Lieber and Krebs, famous for managing Aerosmith and a couple other bands like that.
	And they also, at the time, Steve Lieber, managed the Moscow Circus.
	Remember that?
	It was touring around the States in the late 80s, early 90s?
	Yeah, I remember.
	So he managed that.
	So he'd been to Moscow a lot.
	And then before I left, he says, okay, sit down.
	I got to tell you something.
	Every single woman who talks to you is a KGB hooker.
	Every single hooker you talk to is KGB. In fact, anyone you talk to is KGB. Just be very aware, it's not a joke.
	Well, I went to Moscow before the fall, when it was still the Soviet Union, and I was being followed the whole time, and there were microphones in the room, and I was staying at the Mir, which was, it was falling into disrepair, but the Mir was a hotel that was for diplomats.
	And they'd allowed the public to stay there now.
	And there were microphones.
	You could find the microphones and many of them were just painted over.
	Because they kept painting.
	You can see them.
	There's a microphone that's just painted over.
	It was laughable.
	But anyway, back to the story.
	Mark Ames left a tweet, which I thought was interesting.
	Mark Ames is one of the few writers that I really have nothing but respect for.
	He's a great investigator.
	He lived in Russia.
	And he says, does anybody really believe, this is the gist of it, did anybody really believe that Trump, who has mob connections and owns hotels, wouldn't be fully aware of the situation at all times and know that this kind of thing would be going on?
	You think he's that stupid?
	It doesn't make any sense.
	And so this whole thing is like something of a fiasco.
	So here's what I think happened.
	And then we can go into some clips there.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I think the Republicans paid to have this old buddy of somebody, because this Orbis operation is a two-man operation, and it's in London, and it's also in some guy's house.
	I looked up all the specs on it.
	There's two people there, period.
	Yeah.
	And it's like, maybe the guy's MI6, maybe he's not, but he's like an old investigator.
	I think that part, he probably is an old MI6 stringer.
	I'm sure that's the only thing that is probably true, is that he had a relationship with MI6. I think it might be true.
	But I'll assume it's true.
	And so this guy is good at doing hit pieces, disinformation pieces, stuff that might work, and let's hire him.
	And then we're, you know, we the Republicans that are trying to do this stuff, we remove ourselves from this.
	So they did this, and it got zero traction, nobody cared.
	And so they kind of gave up on it.
	The Democrats picked up the ball, either the Clintonites, or it could be anybody in the Democrat Party.
	Same thing, or it could have still been McCain at the end, you know, because he was for Hillary.
	I think he voted for Hillary.
	Yeah.
	And so they may have maintained this relationship, or even Bill could know this guy, too.
	It seems like a kind of a douchebag that Bill might know.
	And so they said, let's up the ante on this.
	And that's when they came up with the golden showers, and he's peeing, and the girls are peeing.
	Because apparently, what I understood is this report existed with the peeing and the golden showers and salaciousness, but the Russians...
	Eavesdropping and blackmailing Trump in Moscow.
	I think that was added later.
	I think that was at the very end.
	I think they kept upping the ante.
	It started simple and it upped the ante and upped the ante until it got ridiculous.
	And so it was pretty ridiculous by October 31st when David Korn, the friend who's apparently a friend of the steel guy, according to the Independent in London.
	Maybe Korn paid for it.
	Who does he work for again?
	Mother Jones, you think?
	No.
	This really puts a damper on Mother Jones, doesn't it?
	I don't know that it does, because I think most people have forgotten this part.
	Not me.
	But Korn runs out a piece that's pretty much the piece that was done by BuzzFeed without the document, because I don't think he...
	I don't know why he...
	He said, I've read the documents.
	He showed me his top secret filings.
	Remember that on the clip?
	Yeah.
	So Korn runs this out, but he has such a bad reputation.
	It's a very interesting article to read.
	It's on...
	David Korn, October 31st, 2016.
	A veteran spy has given the FBI information.
	The veteran spy didn't give the FBI the information.
	John McCain and Harry Reid did, but okay.
	Alleging a Russian operation to cultivate Donald Trump.
	And so he runs this thing out on October 31st, which was the idea was to taint the election in favor of Hillary.
	Yes.
	October 31st, just before the November election.
	It gets zero traction, because I think they went overboard with the assertions.
	And this is because, I guess, people knew this document at the time, right?
	Yeah, I think, and then it kept getting worse and worse.
	Every time a new version came out, it was getting worse and worse, and it was like, this doesn't even make any sense.
	In fact, there was an X, I have a...
	I have an odd clip that I picked up from CNBC on the Trump segment that would end up getting killed.
	There's a guy that was one of the financial analysts on CNBC, and he rolls out an interesting thesis assuming that any of this is true.
	And CNBC kills it.
	This is definitely worth listening to to watch how this guy...
	Gets killed.
	It's pretty funny.
	25-page leaked document from BuzzFeed comes out last night.
	And the whole conversation changes today.
	And we were once again focused on his relationship with...
	Do we need the director on this one?
	It sounds like we might need the director.
	No, he's good.
	The intelligence agencies.
	George, what do you think about that and the way he spoke about them today?
	Well, just a couple of points here.
	You know, as a former CIA analyst, I mean, I can say with complete confidence, complete confidence, that those leaked memos are as fake as the play money that you would buy at a toy store.
	Okay?
	And let's face it.
	I mean, we're talking about...
	Yeah, isn't it, George, starting to jump in, but isn't it dangerous even to call them a leaked memo because it sounds like that might be something official rather than maybe something that somebody literally just fabricated out of nothing?
	Oh, precisely.
	I mean, that's absolutely right.
	So, but again, let's assume that this thing is real.
	Let's humor the possibility that it's real.
	And what would this actually mean, okay?
	The first point is that...
	Russian counterintelligence is in totally disarray.
	You supposedly have this former British intelligence official meeting senior officials from the Kremlin, folks from the Russian intelligence services.
	He's meeting these people in hotels and bars and cafes down the street from the Kremlin, wherever it is.
	The Russians should know that, right?
	The fact that they haven't caught up with that is a problem.
	Second point, the...
	These sources, if this is real, these sources are all dead at this point, or like thrown in jail.
	Because at this point, the Russians would know who they are.
	Again, this kind of information would be in the hands of only a few people.
	Jared, I've got to imagine, though, that you were a little bit happy in hearing about drug pricing, because when I heard the president-elect talk about additional bidding...
	Eh, you better shut up on that.
	Be quiet now.
	Now, the only reason I thought this was interesting, because in the Telegraph, when I was reading about this Steel guy and his partner that run Orbis, Steel took off like a rocket.
	He apparently has fled the area.
	He's in hiding.
	And he says that the Russians are going to kill him.
	It gets better.
	I do want to read...
	Wait, wait.
	Just let me finish my thesis, then I'll take one second.
	You got it.
	Okay, so cornrows this thing out.
	Nothing comes of it.
	Nobody bites.
	Nobody bites before the election.
	Nobody bites in December.
	And they finally bite in January.
	January 7th, 8th, one of these just recently.
	That is how long it takes to do a disinformation campaign and actually have it catch fire.
	They screwed up.
	Corn should have written this thing in September, late August, and they could have let the thing simmer, and then it would have popped up maybe before the election.
	This just is a joke now.
	It's just laughable.
	The fact that it's even being discussed at all is ludicrous.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, okay, that's my thesis.
	Okay, so...
	So it's a campaign that went awry.
	Right.
	Well, the public story is that Trump received a briefing, and they said, oh yeah, we've attached a couple of things you need to look at, some addendums, and he looked at it, but that he had set a trap.
	Yeah, I love this guy.
	He'd set a trap and told no one, not even his trusty executive assistant, Rhoda.
	Where did this theory come from?
	Trump said it himself.
	He said, I set a trap, and I told no one I was having this briefing, not even my assistant, Rhoda, because I thought maybe the leaks are coming from inside my organization.
	Leaks?
	Yeah.
	And then it has to be the intelligence community, because they then, somebody must have said, we gave this to them.
	That is the only, the real foul here.
	We gave this to him in a classified briefing.
	Now, that is a violation of the classification of The briefing to tell anyone, particularly the press, to tell them about that.
	Well, this is dubious.
	Okay.
	And I'll tell you, this whole timeline thing was...
	Because everyone's saying one thing or another.
	And NBC went out of its way to clear up the timeline.
	And you want to listen to this clip.
	This is NBC clears up P timeline.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Let's step back a moment and take a closer look now at that firestorm over the explosive but unverified memo that Hallie just mentioned that so angered the president-elect.
	Multiple sources telling NBC News U.S. spy chiefs did not tell Mr.
	Trump about its contents regarding him during the briefing.
	NBC News senior investigative correspondent Cynthia McFadden explains what we know.
	Tonight, this question.
	Does U.S. intelligence have proof the Russians hold compromising information about Donald Trump?
	And did they brief Mr.
	Trump about it last Friday?
	The answer, according to multiple intelligence officials, is no.
	A senior intelligence official tells NBC News that there was indeed a two-page summary accompanying that classified report on Russian interference in the U.S. election, which dealt with explosive and unsubstantiated claims that Russia had compromising personal information about Mr.
	Trump.
	Last night, it was widely reported that Mr.
	Trump was himself briefed on the material.
	But multiple sources, including those involved in the briefing process, tell NBC News that is simply not true.
	I was in the room, Matt.
	The first I heard of any of these wild accusations was when someone printed it off of the BuzzFeed website.
	Alright, let me play this thing from Trump where he's talking about wondering if the intelligence agencies leaked this.
	But I do have to say that, and I must say that I want to thank a lot of the news organizations here today.
	Because they looked at that nonsense that was released by maybe the intelligence agencies.
	Who knows?
	But maybe the intelligence agencies, which would be a tremendous...
	This is a very interesting speech pattern.
	Maybe the intelligence agencies.
	Who knows?
	But maybe the intelligence agencies.
	Yeah, he does it.
	That's his style.
	That's got to be NLP somehow.
	It's got to be something.
	Who knows?
	But maybe the intelligence agencies, which would be a tremendous blot on their record if they in fact did that.
	A tremendous blot.
	Because a thing like that should have never been written.
	It should never have been had, and it should certainly never have been released.
	But I want to thank a lot of the news organizations, some of whom have not treated me very well over the years, a couple in particular, and they came out so strongly against that fake news and the fact that it was written about by primarily one I pulled a couple more quick clips from his press conference, which I want to share.
	And the first one was what Scott Adams said was a great persuasion tactic against the Hitler meme.
	And that, of course, was him saying, hey, wait a minute, is this Nazi Germany?
	No.
	The tweet that you had this morning about, are we living in Nazi Germany?
	What were you driving at there?
	What are you trying to tell them?
	I think it was disgraceful, disgraceful, that the intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake out.
	I think it's a disgrace.
	And I say that, and I say that, and that's something that Nazi Germany would have done.
	I think it's...
	You know, I want you to start that clip over and listen to a way he repeats.
	You may be onto something with the NLP. He says, disgraceful, disgraceful.
	And then he repeats himself a number of times, sometimes whole sentences.
	It's neuro-linguistic programming for those of you that want to look it up.
	The tweet that you had this morning about are we living in Nazi...
	We'll count the repeats.
	I think it was disgraceful, disgraceful, that the intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake out.
	I think it's a disgrace.
	And I say that, and I say that, and that's something that Nazi Germany would have done and did do.
	I think it's a disgrace.
	That information that was false and fake and never happened got released to the public.
	I counted five.
	Well, it depends on if you want to extend it.
	Four or five, yeah.
	Yeah, it was a bunch.
	That's a repeat.
	That's a 30-second clip, so there's a repeat every six seconds.
	Not bad.
	All right, now, of course, the bit that everybody saw.
	If you didn't, it's just too beautiful.
	Since you're attacking us, can you give us a question?
	Go ahead.
	Mr.
	President-Elect, go ahead.
	Mr.
	President-Elect, since you are attacking our news organization, can you give us a chance?
	Your organization is terrible.
	You are attacking our news organization.
	Your organization is terrible.
	Can you give us a chance to ask a question, sir?
	Go ahead.
	Sir, can you stay...
	Quiet.
	Mr.
	President-Elect, go ahead.
	She's asking a question.
	Don't be rude.
	Mr.
	President-Elect, can you give us a question?
	Don't be rude.
	Can you give us a question?
	I'm not going to give you a question.
	Can you stay categorically?
	You are fake news.
	Sir, can you stay categorically that nobody...
	Mr.
	President-elect, that's not appropriate.
	That's not appropriate.
	I love the clapping.
	Of course, he did this at Trump Tower, so there's a lot of people there like, yeah, yeah, and screw that.
	You are fake news.
	This is a great ISO. You are fake news.
	I love that.
	It's the best ISO. You are fake news.
	Perfect.
	All right.
	But what was interesting is, right after that bit about the fake news, a question was asked that didn't really make the airwaves.
	But to us, to the no-agenda-thinking, no-agenda-minded people, it was interesting.
	Do you think President Obama went too far with the sanctions he put on Russia after the hacking?
	Do you think they're disproportionate?
	I don't think he went too far.
	Will you roll them back?
	What do you think of Lindsey Graham's plan to send you a bill for tougher ones?
	Plans to send me a bill for what?
	For tougher sanctions.
	I hadn't heard Lindsey Graham was going to do that.
	Lindsey Graham.
	I've been competing with him for a long time.
	He's going to crack that 1% barrier one day.
	What do you think he means by that?
	He means that he never got more than 1%.
	He's going to crack that 1% barrier one day.
	I didn't realize Lindsey Graham's still at it.
	And so now he does a real Trump thing.
	I think Lindsey Graham's a nice guy.
	I've heard that he's a nice guy, and I've been hearing it.
	I've been hearing it.
	Yeah, don't worry, you'll change your tune pretty quickly.
	He's not a nice guy.
	He's not a nice guy.
	Now, in the previous, I forget which session this was exactly, they had the intel community at the Senate, and it was Clapper, it was Brennan, it was Admiral Michael Rogers, and it was Comey.
	Well, before you jump to that...
	No, no, it is...
	You're connecting it.
	I'm connecting it.
	It is very important.
	Because what are we talking about?
	And this is before...
	This is before this memo came out.
	Before.
	You've got to put that in your head.
	I'm going to say it one more time.
	Before.
	Well, before it came out...
	In what circumstances?
	Because it actually came out in October.
	Yes.
	Before this whole fracas.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And I think it was, yeah, Senator Mark Warner, Democrat from Virginia, says something that in this context is mind-boggling.
	Europe has long been a target of Russian attempts to manipulate electoral processes, so they will continue with that, and certainly because of the The controversy that's generated in our country, I think, that will reinforce their desire to do that.
	One of the things that actually another member of the committee raised is certain Russian activities, again, just to go to the seriousness, not only retrospectively but prospectively, that I believe there was a Russian dissident in London where Russian agents,
	in effect, planted false information In this individual's personal file and then called law enforcement and said look in this person's file and there was child pornography placed there.
	Could you anticipate at some time Russia trying, if we don't take more aggressive actions, trying those actions against American public officials?
	I love this.
	They're talking about the Russians doing what they themselves just did.
	Now, whether they had done that before the Senate hearing, I don't know.
	Let's roll that back just a little bit with that question.
	Could you anticipate at some time Russia trying, if we don't take more aggressive actions, trying those actions against American public officials?
	The Russians, I think, will have no compunction about using the full array of tools and techniques available in their kit bag.
	Do you have your kit bag ready, John?
	I got a kit bag.
	You got your kit bag.
	So I wouldn't put it past them to do that or any other tools they've used, such as paying people to participate in social media, for example.
	Oh, gee, we don't do that.
	We don't do that.
	And this has been described as, in effect, the new normal for Russian doctrine.
	Is that correct?
	I believe, yes.
	Why didn't they just come right out and say, oh, Russia inserted that into the file?
	That would have been much better.
	It would have been even funnier.
	But no.
	What you say about others is what you are.
	Which is turning out to be the theme of this whole podcast, generally speaking.
	And listen to the last question.
	He does one of those down the line.
	Everybody answer the question.
	Oh, I hate that.
	Yeah, I hate it if you were sitting there, but it's great for the show.
	Okay, go.
	And again, we've seen our system, your words...
	A significant escalation.
	Before us, we have people with service in the IC and defense of our nation in hundreds of years.
	I'd like to just go down the line.
	In any of your careers, have you ever seen this level of Russian interference in our political process?
	We'll start with Director Comey and just go down the line.
	What would you say?
	Have we ever seen any...
	I'd say yeah.
	In the 50s, it was like...
	When I was a kid...
	There we go.
	When I was a kid, I forgot what grade I was in, but I was given an assignment of...
	It was something.
	There was so much anti-communist stuff going on that one of the assignments was to find all the front organizations that actually can be linked to the Soviet Union.
	And I did this report for...
	And I'm in grammar school, and it was page after page after page.
	I was stunned myself.
	But apparently not compared to today.
	Let's hear the question one more time.
	This level of Russian interference in our political process, and we'll start with Director Comey and just go down the line.
	No.
	I have not.
	No.
	Bulltrap!
	This is a lie.
	These people are either idiots or they're just stooges.
	I'll take door number one for 500.
	Okay.
	Let me just read Clapper's statement.
	That's important because Clapper released a statement after this.
	Everything got really high.
	Click after this.
	Go.
	This evening I had the opportunity to speak with President-elect Donald Trump to discuss recent media reports about our briefing last Friday.
	I expressed my profound dismay at the leaks that have been appearing in the press and we both agreed that they are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security.
	By the way, Clapper's out.
	He's done.
	He's leaving.
	We already quit.
	Yeah.
	We also discussed the private security company document, which was widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of Congress, and congressional staff, even before the IC became aware of it.
	It's not a private security company, but go on.
	No.
	Political consultancy.
	Big difference.
	Yes, thank you.
	But also, why didn't they have a copy of it?
	Everybody had it.
	Great work, IC. I got a topper.
	Hold on.
	Uh...
	I emphasize that this document is not, emboldened, a U.S. intelligence community product that I do not believe the leaks came from within the intelligence community.
	The intelligence community has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we do not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions.
	However, part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.
	President-elect Trump, again, affirmed his appreciation for all the men and women serving in the intelligence community, and I assured him that the IC stands ready to serve his administration and the American people.
	Except for me, because I quit.
	That's just a minor detail.
	Okay?
	Now, not that anyone will care that he said that.
	No, I sure don't.
	So this guy, now let me get this straight.
	So Clapper is the head of the...
	He's the head of the...
	He's the tête de tête.
	He's the capo de capo.
	He's the guy at the top.
	He should know everything, right?
	Yep.
	And he apparently doesn't know anything.
	And we've proven this before, if you remember, that one time there was some big...
	Yeah, this was a couple years ago.
	I think this one here comes close.
	This is Clapper on RT.
	Okie dokie.
	And James Clapper, who is the director of national intelligence, joined the chorus against RT.
	However, when asked a question about RT's reach in America, he seemed unsure.
	China continues to succeed.
	Director Clapper, does RT get any of its broadcast into the United States?
	Yes, it does some.
	It does?
	It's very prevalent in Europe and lesser so.
	I think there's an RT channel here.
	Jeez.
	Geez.
	I think there's an RT channel here.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I think there's an RT channel here.
	That's his extent of his knowledge?
	That is our intelligence community right there.
	I think there's an RT channel here.
	I think.
	How can he say that?
	What an idiot.
	You tell me.
	What an idiot.
	My goodness.
	And besides that, they're bitching and moaning about RT constantly, and then he thinks there's an RT channel here.
	He thinks.
	Maybe.
	There might be.
	Well, of course.
	You know, they're big in Europe.
	Big in Europe.
	So, there's not much more to say about this other than that it was obviously fake news and that...
	Now, BuzzFeed putting this out, I mean, for me, the funniest thing is all of a sudden everyone's like, well, how could a news organization put this out?
	I'm like, hello, BuzzFeed!
	It's a clickbait farm.
	I have a couple more clips.
	Oh, my.
	I mean, if I ran BuzzFeed, shit, yeah, I'd put that out.
	Who cares?
	In fact, here's Ben Smith being grilled by...
	Who's Ben Smith?
	Oh, he's the editor of BuzzFeed.
	He owns it.
	Yeah.
	The meet the press guy.
	Yeah, Chuck.
	Chuck.
	Chuck.
	Chuck's grilling him, and I could have put the whole thing in here.
	I got a little bit of it.
	I got these clips, too.
	It goes on and on, and Chuck is actually irked.
	He hates this guy, even though they're friends.
	He hates him for doing this.
	He says, this is the worst thing you can do.
	I think Ben Smith is right.
	This sentence, publishing this dossier, reflects how we see, referring to yourself, the job of reporters in 2017.
	That makes me think this is a decision you would not have made the same decision in the pre-Trump era?
	Oh, no.
	I'm not really referring to the pre-Trump era.
	I think more the pre-internet era.
	I mean, I think there was an era, and I think there are reasons for us to be nostalgic for it, reasons for us to have issues with it, where we could act as gatekeepers, where we could say, you know what, crazy people are claiming that Barack Obama's birth certificate is forged, but we're not going to write about that.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	You remember, we were both there during Obama's first campaign.
	That was, at first, the approach, and then you see these things spread, and you have to engage them.
	I think there was an era when you would be the gatekeeper for information, and you would say to your audience, trust us, we're keeping things from you, we have lots of secrets we're not telling you, but you should trust us.
	I think you could say that was a good era, you could say that was a bad era.
	That is not the present day.
	And so I guess I would, I mean, I think that, so there were, and in that context...
	Present day.
	There were two reasons that we did decide to publish this.
	And we, like many other organizations, had had it for weeks, had reporters in Europe and the United States trying to stand up or knock down specific details.
	But this was a document that was not just circulating at the highest levels of the intelligence community, the most powerful intelligence officials in the country, referring to it in briefings to the President of the United States, the President-elect, reportedly, disputedly.
	The political elite, you know, top elected officials, the gang of eight, John McCain saw it.
	Certainly the media elite had it.
	And I think, and we're not, and not just had it, we're starting to act on it.
	Harry Reid had written the letter referring to it.
	And I think when you have an object that is in play, that is having consequences for the way our elected leaders are acting, you do have to ask the question of why should I suppress them?
	There are then good reasons, right?
	Once, though, it emerges, as it did last night, in the public conversation that there is this secret document floating around full of dark allegations that we will not repeat to you, that I feel like in this era you really have to show your readers what that is.
	I pulled completely different clips from that piece.
	I find it interesting you pulled those.
	Well, the reason is because that was at the beginning, and that was when Chuck was the most irked.
	Can I play Mike Lips?
	Yeah, and then they went back and forth and back and forth, and I don't think that Smith really altered his position much.
	I think Todd made some good points, but the more I think about it, especially in regards to our show...
	We don't mind talking about the potential of Obama being a Muslim, or that Obama might be gay or bisexual, or we discuss these things, and we have some evidence, and we used to have different kinds of crazy clips.
	We bring all this stuff out, and I think Smith is right.
	This is the new world that we're in.
	Yes, yes.
	That's WikiLeaks.
	WikiLeaks is just like, let's put it all out there.
	WikiLeaks is more news than BuzzFeed.
	Hello.
	Exactly.
	Here's my clip.
	I know this was not your intent.
	I've known you a long time.
	But you just published fake news.
	Yeah.
	That's why I like that.
	You just published fake news, bitch!
	We just published a dossier.
	No, I think that's a really...
	We just published a dossier!
	I agree with that.
	I don't think it was fake news.
	Me neither.
	Buzzfeed is not news!
	An unfair description.
	I think people love to throw the term fake news around to diminish anything they don't like.
	Trust me, I'm aware.
	It seems to be there.
	It's almost as if you're saying there was only two choices you had here.
	Not publish or publish.
	There is a gray area.
	I understand this idea in this day and age that there are many readers that feel as if proof, show me that you have the goods.
	There is such thing as redactions.
	And you could have redacted.
	You could have said, here it is, and you know what?
	You didn't do many.
	You did very, very few, and in some cases not enough as far as even, I believe, one of the people who contributed to it.
	Okay, so luckily we have a print journalist in our midst.
	What do you think about redacting?
	Should they have redacted the P bits?
	Redaction is done on behalf of the government to keep certain names and addresses and maybe some details away from the public in government documents.
	Which is why Chuck Todd is so familiar with it.
	Exactly.
	It's a protection mechanism that is used by the government to censor stuff that can't be given out.
	This isn't a government document.
	This is some guy's rant.
	Why would you redact anything?
	You look like a total douchebag.
	I think it uses the word pee.
	Let's take the word pee out.
	It shows that Chuck Todd certainly believes this is a government document.
	I think that's what it shows.
	No.
	I just think he thinks that redaction is good.
	I don't think he understands it.
	You're probably right.
	Here's another quickie.
	I'm going to quote Margaret Sullivan.
	Who's Margaret Sullivan?
	She's a writer.
	Yes, here we go.
	She says this flatly.
	It's never been acceptable to publish rumor and innuendo.
	Period.
	Period.
	Do you agree with her?
	I think that we are now in a media environment where you have to engage.
	I think it's an environment where you no longer have the luxury.
	And where the legacy media, which has at times turned away from saying, wow, there's all of this crazy stuff on the internet.
	We're not going to touch it.
	We're going to stay out of it.
	We're just going to kind of let it spread.
	Let it spread.
	This is a place where sunlight is a disinfectant, where it is important to show...
	I'm a little tired of the sunlight is the best disinfectant.
	I'm tired of this.
	I'm hearing this everywhere.
	We believe sunlight is the best disinfectant.
	I'm reading this in company mission statements, all kinds of stuff.
	Tell somebody with the flesh-eating bacteria that.
	And I think that this is a place where sunlight is a disinfectant, where it is important to show your audience what you have.
	There was a line.
	When does the line become yelling fire in a theater?
	I think that you're absolutely right.
	When you yell fire in the theater?
	That's the right answer.
	I'm sorry?
	The right answer is, you asked me the question, when is the line when you can yell fire in the theater?
	When is a fire?
	When there's a fire?
	When there's a fire is the other right answer.
	Yeah, what is your answer?
	Two good answers.
	What is your answer?
	When there's a fire.
	That is the right answer.
	That's what I was thinking.
	I become yelling fire in a theater.
	I think that you're absolutely right that reasonable people can disagree.
	I mean, I'm not sure that you would say that the effect of publishing this has made people think it's more credible, by the way.
	Hold on.
	I actually had all this, too, but I cut it off.
	But you're right.
	It's actually very good.
	All you have to do is go to BuzzFeed to that article where they released that document and read the comments.
	What he said is total bullcrap.
	All the comments are the same.
	Oh, this will do it.
	This will finish off Trump.
	The guy's a douche.
	I knew Trump was doing stuff like this.
	It was just a whole comment stream is all about how bad Trump is.
	And what's so sad, and this is...
	You see this on the face bag.
	You and I live pretty much in two dimensions at the same time.
	It's very tiring, but we're able to live in these two dimensions that we've been split down the middle.
	Worldwide, for sure, the United States.
	They are so desperate...
	Crying all the time.
	Crying all the time.
	Anything that floats by, they'll just grab it.
	Eh, some driftwood!
	Grab it!
	Yes, this is true.
	We do have a system in America.
	We have a political system.
	There's ways to work against a party you don't like and a president you don't like, and there's a system.
	We have a system for that.
	It's called governance, and there's rules and regulations, and he's not a dictator.
	But it's pathetic.
	You see...
	Off with his head.
	The stuff that people are coming up with for this, you know, for the parade, you know, for the big women's march, and now women, by the way, are all pissed off that men aren't showing enough support for the women's march.
	I mean, what do you want?
	What do you want?
	And then, you know, part of this is the pussy hat project.
	So everyone has to knit a pussy hat.
	Oh, I don't know this.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, there's a link in the show notes.
	Link in the show notes.
	I'll send it to you.
	Celebrities, this is my favorite.
	Celebrities are calling for a total Hollywood strike until Trump resigns.
	What?
	Yes.
	Strike!
	No more entertainment!
	Oh no!
	What will we do?
	We must have our movies.
	What will we do?
	And this kind of leads into Meryl Streep.
	I didn't clip her.
	Everyone saw it.
	But there is an issue, a couple of issues with what she said.
	Number one, to say that mixed martial arts is not an art form is, I think, a mistake.
	Well, she's got a lot of backlash for saying that.
	Oh, yeah.
	And to say that they're not an international group is also...
	Ashley, one of our producers.
	I don't know what she was thinking.
	Why did she do that?
	Ashley is one of our producers, and she said, Hey, excuse me.
	I have listed the current list of female and male UFC champions with their respective nationalities.
	As you can see, they're quite a bit more foreign than Meryl Streep made it out to be.
	Poland, Brazil, U.S., Ireland, England, Croatia.
	You have to go all over to find those maniacs.
	But also, so this kind of comes back to the same thing, that people living in this dimension of we're all going to die, Trump is horrible, we'll have no health care, we'll have to do abortions with coat hangers, all this stuff.
	Let's reach out to the celebrity.
	And the hero worship of Meryl Streep To me, it was almost disgusting.
	Seriously, almost disgusting.
	It was really pathetic.
	Like, oh, thank you, Meryl.
	You really said it, girl.
	When are the Oscars?
	I can't wait for that.
	That's going to be a show.
	That's going to be a gem.
	I will see.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, I have two last clips on this issue.
	Well, I'm not quite done.
	I just wanted to play...
	Well, I have a couple more things.
	We've got to take a break, though.
	So, I think we're in agreement that BuzzFeed, they're totally in their right.
	There's not a news organization.
	They do listicles.
	I don't care whether they are or not.
	They can do this.
	Yeah, but they do listicles.
	Who gives a crap?
	Now, CNN, who pertain to be a credible news organization, I think that they definitely...
	They screwed up.
	They screwed up.
	And the amount of...
	Defense.
	People coming to CNN's defense on this.
	In fact, here is Shep Smith from Fox News defending CNN. The internet now carries the flag.
	I'm sorry, that's the wrong one.
	Here it is.
	Further, President-elect Trump today told CNN's Jim Acosta that his organization amounts to fake news.
	CNN's exclusive reporting on the Russian matter was separate and distinctly different from the document dump executed by an online news property.
	Though we at Fox News cannot confirm CNN's report, it is our observation that its correspondents follow journalistic standards and that neither they nor any other journalists should be subjected to belittling and delegitimizing by the president-elect of the United States.
	And then here's CNN with an actual...
	Wait, hold on a second.
	He calls them an online news property instead of actually mentioning BuzzFeed out of some spite?
	I don't know why.
	Maybe that's a Fox News...
	Why they mention CNN, which is a direct competitor.
	BuzzFeed isn't.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	But here's CNN's panel talking about hate and hostility towards journalists.
	Oh yeah, it's finally happening.
	He doesn't think about the implications to anybody other than himself.
	Have you ever heard of anybody in politics, let alone a presidential nominee, doing anything like this to the Fourth Estate?
	This is much, much worse than the Fourth Estate.
	The fourth estate.
	What did Obama do with Fox when he first got in office?
	He arrested people.
	He kicked him out of the White House press conference.
	And he arrested people.
	The fourth estate.
	This is much, much worse than what we've seen in the past.
	It is one thing for candidates to criticize the press, say they're getting bad coverage, but Donald Trump is routinely lying to his supporters about the media.
	In little ways and in big ways.
	And that has damaging effects for the viewers who are watching, and more importantly, for the voters who support him, because they're being misled.
	And there's a mob mentality now at stake.
	These people are yelling and shouting and threatening reporters in a way I've never seen.
	That's right.
	They go over to the press pen.
	I mean, there's the large issue of obviously denigrating the press.
	But then there's the individual aspect of people going to the press pen.
	The press are penned in.
	And yelling at them, making vulgar gestures at them.
	I dealt with it at the RNC. I get the passion.
	But a politician has a responsibility.
	You shape the passion of people.
	I don't mean to call supporters sheep.
	I respect people who want to back politicians.
	Trust me.
	But he makes them angry.
	And then instead of saying things to you, they want to do things to you.
	And I'm telling you something is going to happen.
	Something is going to happen.
	Something's gonna happen.
	I'm telling you.
	We had this clip of our local guy who went to a Trump thing and he says it seemed like it was in good fun.
	They were yelling and screaming at the press.
	He says he never felt threatened.
	These people don't get out much.
	I have two clips and this next clip is the topper to what you just played.
	Here is the same kind of thing That you just played by Ed Schultz.
	And he is...
	Ed Schultz is the guy who used to be at MSNBC. He's now an RT. A U.S. intelligence community product, and they have not made any judgments on it.
	RT America host Ed Schultz told us that publishing unverified stories is ruining the credibility of several outlets.
	I think that this is a low time for journalism in America, that this is going to hurt the entire industry.
	It's unfortunate that CNN is letting it play out like the old movie The Godfather.
	There's a lot of buffers here.
	Nobody wants to say who did what, when and how, but there's just a lot of buffers and there's a few names on there.
	Keep in mind that all of these intelligence people work for Barack Obama.
	Keep in mind that this reeks of Clinton politics.
	This is the kind of stuff that they do.
	They get behind the scenes.
	They get operatives working.
	They pay them off.
	They get an MI6 guy involved.
	Then they get this person involved.
	Then that person involved.
	The next thing you know, it's in the mainstream media.
	And oh, by the way, Donald Trump is put in a position today where he has to come out and label CNN fake news.
	CNN took the bite, and now they're taking the dive.
	Their credibility right now goes right in the toilet for what has happened to them over the last 48 hours.
	Jake Tapper actually went on the air last night with other anchors and reporters and said, we've been working on this.
	This is outrageous.
	They've taken a couple of phone calls from people who are trying to get Donald Trump.
	They've tried to turn it into a story.
	It's unsourced.
	And as I said, there's times in this business of yesteryear when people acted like this, they got fired.
	Boy, he's really changed.
	I don't recognize him.
	It's very funny.
	Now, the funny thing is that Trump thanked all these news organizations for not really reporting on this, but what he missed on was the night after that, all the late night hosts, all of them, did material.
	And the material was, I think, worse than any news report.
	It's shameful, but you have to admit it's funny.
	And I do have one clip of Jimmy Kimmel's routine on this particular thing.
	This is ABC, and you have to assume that Once the cat's out of the bag, which I think was, you know, once the story is out and once you hear these assertions, not only do they do material on it, which is what a comedian is supposed to do, but they add a little negative Trump stuff in there just to make it worse.
	I mean, this is not healthy, what you're going to hear.
	I don't know if you heard about this, because this story just came through, but the big story today, CNN learned that top intelligence officials in the United States, like the FBI, CIA, presented evidence that Russian operatives claimed to have compromising personal and financial information about Donald Trump.
	And you hate to mention unsubstantiated rumors about Trump, because he would never do that to someone else, but...
	There's a document going around that indicates he hired prostitutes to perform golden showers on a bed the Obamas once slept in.
	So that is a leak of a leak, literally.
	Maybe this is what Hillary was hinting at when she mentioned Trump trickle-down economics.
	Maybe that was...
	Woo!
	Oh, yeah!
	The intelligence officials say not only does Russia claim to have information on Trump, there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump's people and the Russian government, Can a president be impeached before he's even inaugurated?
	Well, it's your own fault, John.
	Your own damn fault.
	You brought up ABC. Sorry.
	Now you have to endure.
	You know what I'm talking about.
	ABC. Okay.
	This is how the ladies of The View responded to this news.
	And remember, a lot of women get their news from The View.
	They believe that this is...
	So if I didn't play that last clip, you wouldn't have played this bullcrap.
	I would have...
	Yeah, you should be right.
	It's bullcrap.
	Let's just start it all out.
	Donald Trump has just been robbed by an unsubstantiated collection of research memos claiming Russian operatives have compromising financial and personal info that they could use to blackmail him.
	Now, we can't get into specifics, but I do have to ask...
	You know, because he's being shouted with allegations right now.
	Is this a golden opportunity for a Democrat?
	Or will he be able to clean up these leaks?
	Why is it that when people on mainstream media, or some would say legacy media, By the way, I didn't mention it when it came up in one of the previous quotes.
	This is showing up a lot.
	Legacy media, I think is the...
	I haven't really heard this like six months ago.
	Do we want to adopt it?
	Corporate media, big media.
	Do we want to adopt that?
	I mean, it's adoptable.
	I don't know that we want to adopt it, but I definitely want to make people aware of it being used to...
	For mainstream.
	It used to be MSM. Right, but what is mainstream?
	Mainstream media.
	Yeah, I don't like that.
	What is mainstream?
	Well, you know what?
	Consult the book of knowledge!
	Let's get the exact definition of mainstream.
	The ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional, the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts...
	Okay, I think it's still mainstream because it's still the dominating opinion.
	Would you not agree?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay, so it's still the dominating opinion.
	And we continue.
	What I was going to say is, it's amazing that people love the simplest jokes.
	I made the same jokes in the opening of the show.
	Yeah, you did.
	But you go, ugh.
	And by the way, I agree.
	Ugh.
	Everyone else is clapping.
	It's fabulous.
	Oh, Jimmy Kimmel, you made so many...
	You're so funny.
	You're so funny.
	Instead of just saying, just what was in the report?
	We can't say that because, I don't know, it's going to butt hurt somebody.
	Why don't we just say what's in the report?
	Why does it all have to be...
	Well, Kimmel kind of did.
	Yeah, kind of.
	But then he again goes back to Golden Shower.
	This has nothing to do with Golden Shower.
	Anyway...
	Well done!
	Well done!
	It's not like it was game to get the morning started.
	You know, but, you know, we said there was unsubstantiated, but, you know, I do recall that when...
	You know, the days when they were saying, you know, Obama's not an American.
	Wow, she's so old, she's still using you know.
	Hello, 1980.
	The days when they were saying, you know, Obama's not an American.
	He's part of the...
	He's a Muslim.
	Or he's part of the Taliban.
	Those weren't...
	When did anyone say he was part of the Taliban?
	Wow.
	Those were fake news and yet they ran with it.
	Who ran with it?
	I think she's saying the news.
	I never heard anybody running with this.
	The Taliban or Muslim.
	Well, what she's trying to say is the birth certificate.
	She's trying to say the birth certificate, but she can't say it.
	I don't know why she can't say it.
	I don't know.
	What's going on?
	Whatever she said, it was funny.
	I got my running shoes on.
	But the Russians are calling these leaks nonsense.
	They're saying, no, none of this is true.
	None of this is true.
	But, you know.
	The operative word being the Russians are saying it.
	The operative word being the Russians are saying it.
	It's a little more than one word.
	You know, I think that the ex-CIA acting director's name is Michael Morell.
	He said this morning that they do appear to be intelligence reports.
	Oh, Morell's in on it.
	From an MI6 British intelligence officer.
	And so while they are unsubstantiated and unsourced or unconfirmed, I think what we really need to be concerned about is the fact that our now future president could possibly be at the, you know, as compromised by our Russian adversary.
	And they could have information that could, I guess...
	Blackmail him?
	Blackmail him?
	So I know I have a source.
	I can't name who it is.
	My source says that he owes the Russians a lot of money, like a half a billion dollars or something.
	Now here's the scenario.
	So he becomes president.
	Oh, my God.
	You said it!
	I know.
	She said it!
	Because, you know, as day follows night, that's going to happen.
	This is the first time she actually said Trump will be president.
	This has been very hard for her.
	I know that.
	So he becomes the leader of the free world.
	You can't make this up.
	And the Russians can blackmail him about the boycotts, for example, and all of the stuff that we've been doing.
	She can't figure out.
	She also is a...
	She doesn't know what...
	She's just...
	What she's trying to say is sanctions.
	The sanctions, right.
	So he lifts the sanctions because otherwise we're going to get you, sucker.
	And that's why there's a problem.
	That's exactly why there is a problem.
	Just to clarify, our legal team is saying that this is a collection of research and memos.
	And this is the ABC legal team.
	ABC News is saying this is unconfirmed, this is unverified, this is explosive but unsubstantiated allegations.
	With that being said, you have to say that because this stuff is unverified.
	If any of this is true and is found to be true and the FBI is currently investigating it, they're doing their job, this is very problematic because the allegations are that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.
	And if you remember, a lot of people that opposed Hillary Clinton opposed her because they felt that as a result of this email leak that she was potentially compromised, that they're And untrustworthy.
	And not only that, but there could have been foreign involvement.
	And all of these questions, conservative roles, which I think were justified, came up.
	Now many of those people all of a sudden don't have a problem with any of these stories.
	You know what?
	Question everything right now.
	Everything that comes out, you need to question it.
	And you need to let investigators do their job.
	The fact that this went to President Obama, this has gone to top officials.
	Now, we're going to have Whoopi wrap it all up, and she's just going to come out and say she thinks it's probably true.
	That means they're investigating.
	And it's not like they just found this out.
	They've known this since June.
	Listen, y'all set the bar.
	You set this up.
	You said this is, we should trust all this.
	Well, now we've got to trust this, too.
	It's not good for the goose and not good for the can.
	It's insane.
	What?
	It's not good for the goose and good for the gander.
	These people are crazy.
	They're just throwing out things.
	I don't even know what it means.
	But, oh yeah, well, this could be true.
	We've got to believe this.
	We've got to do that.
	Shameful.
	It's just shameful.
	Anyway, I guess that's kind of what we have for it.
	He is our president.
	He's Trump.
	He's Trump, the president.
	Love that jingle.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say, in the morning to you, John C, where the C stands for, CNN is fake news, Dvorak!
	In the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry, in the morning to all ships at sea, boots to the ground, fear in the air, subs in the water, all the names of nights out there.
	And in the morning to the chat room, noagendastream.com.
	Good to see you all here.
	Thank you very much for tuning in, helping us out, as good producers do.
	In the morning to all of our artists, but specifically, I would like to say, in the morning to Mark G, who brought us the album artwork for episode 8, 9, or 3, Throw a Rock.
	Nice piece of art with the quasi-government troll on the...
	It was just a beautiful piece of art.
	It was well done.
	Well, we liked it, that's for sure.
	At noartgenerator.com, we appreciate Mark G's efforts, and of course, everyone who submits something, which is used for newsletters and all kinds of stuff.
	Indeed.
	Okay, so we got a couple of...
	We don't have any associate executive producers, but we have a bunch of executive producers.
	One, two, three, four, five of them.
	This is new?
	Yeah, it is new.
	Starting with John Hall in El Paso, Texas, most of these top donors are sending a lot of money, $1,000 from Hall, by check.
	And so Hall writes a note.
	He actually has my handwriting, but when I was younger, it's weird.
	As a long-time listener and unfortunately a huge boner, it's way past time that I donated to the show.
	So he hasn't donated before, so he starts off.
	You've been de-douched.
	Right off the bat.
	He actually asked for that.
	I just want to take a moment to thank both of you for the incredible job you do.
	You have definitely preserved my sanity over the years, and especially during the past election season.
	You have made me laugh incredibly hard and educated me on a wide variety of subjects, ranging from cooking, double-dip recession slave stew, to politics, history, technology, and entrepreneurship.
	This is what we do.
	We nailed it!
	We are serial entrepreneurs.
	One gig for ten years.
	The show's balance of entertainment and education is remarkable.
	It's a remarkable accomplishment.
	I also applaud both of you for your courage.
	I believe it took real audacity to start No Agenda and even more to remain committed to the show for so long and never selling out.
	Agreed.
	Please accept my donation and my apology for being such a boner.
	I humbly request a dedouching and some human resource karma for my wife because we're expecting a bundle of joy at the end of May.
	Ah, beautiful.
	Another No Agenda listener on the way.
	Good production.
	You've got karma.
	And so he'll be a knight today.
	Insta Knight.
	Even though he didn't give us a name or anything he wants, but that's okay.
	That's all right.
	We'll call him Sir Hall.
	Now, $805.33 from Sir Anonymous of Dogpatch and Sir Angelic Knight, two of them.
	This is a note.
	A random number?
	Nay, says Sir Angelic Knight's mighty steed Marlboro.
	I got it.
	We deemed 8888.88 as the year's value proposition afforded and so rewarded.
	As we prepare for the Chinese year of the Red Fire Chicken and enter a Western Prime number year 2017, six-eighths of donation improves luck for the new year.
	We donate to represent the many listeners unable to support the program due to financial health or other reasons.
	As for the many listeners with means, but trying to skate through life without paying any price for knowledge and freedom.
	Wake up this year and give the gift of knowledge.
	And give the gift of knowledge.
	Well, I was hoping for a donation.
	Thank you for your work and all you do.
	And all listeners have a prime new year.
	Hard to believe the total, but there it was.
	805.
	What is this year?
	It's the red chicken.
	What is it?
	Year of the chicken.
	I thought it was the red chicken.
	Well, he says red chicken.
	I mean, I think he's referring to the red fire chicken.
	Red fire chicken.
	Is that the official Chinese year?
	Or rooster?
	I think it's probably rooster.
	Well, maybe it's the year of the hot cock then.
	Could be.
	That would be a red fire chicken.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No jingles?
	No jingles?
	No nothing?
	No.
	You didn't ask for anything.
	No, I'm going to give him some karma.
	Karma, of course.
	You've got karma.
	Thank you very much for your passion.
	Shannon Brame in Pureland, Texas.
	777.77.
	See email for longer note.
	Oh, okay.
	Did you get a copy of this?
	I'm going to take a look.
	I'm not sure.
	Don't say it.
	Yes, I have it here.
	In the morning, John and Adam, I was in line at Starbucks behind a white delivery van listening to the show, ready to add to my hips by not cutting the whipped cream on my overpriced drink.
	For the past few days I've been thinking about an old instrument I have.
	Sorry, the story seems to be going the route of a shaggy dog.
	And I've been considering donating it to the show.
	The imbira is a traditional African instrument.
	And it's a lot of fun to mess around and play with.
	I look up at this van, and while I'm not the superstitious type, the license plate was jaw-dropping.
	This is what I saw.
	Which means I have to click on the attachment to open it up.
	That's a good one.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	It's not opening.
	I'll continue to read.
	Okay, now I'll tell you what it is.
	It's a Texas plate that says D-Bag 3333.
	No!
	Yes!
	That must be a listener.
	Maybe.
	That's fantastic.
	Well, it was a clear sign I needed to donate, she says.
	Until last year, I had a terrible job in retail, and this past year, not only found a brand new career, but I've already been promoted to a very nice position within the company.
	I was on a $5 a month subscription, though now I can definitely give more.
	I'm trading out my $5 a month subscription for the $33.33.
	If you're still doing podcast licenses, I'd love one.
	Yes, I'll set it up for you.
	Just email me where you want it to point to.
	The value-for-value model works, and it's time for me to give my part and be a dame.
	Adam, I remember when I was a kid.
	If I was really good, my parents would let me stay up and watch you on Headbangers Ball.
	Imagine my surprise years later to get hit in the mouth by a co-worker from my interest in 9-11 and discover my favorite long-lost VJ hosting something really special.
	John, your snappy banter had me immediately hooked.
	A true dream team.
	I hope you guys live forever.
	Yeah, me too.
	So she says, please accept my donation.
	Holy crap.
	Of $777.77, hockey sticks for climate change, which should bring me over the edge to damehood.
	I'd like to be Dame...
	Shanark.
	Shanark.
	I think you have to add her to the list.
	Yeah, she's not on the list.
	You're right.
	That's interesting.
	Well, because she did an email note.
	We didn't forward it to Eric.
	Ah, right.
	Okay, so that is Shannon Brame, and she wants to be Dame.
	What was it?
	Well, you get the letter.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm doing a million things at the same time.
	She wants to be Dame Shannark.
	Okay.
	Shannark.
	Yes, Shannark.
	Shannark.
	Dame of the North.
	Yes, got it.
	Dame Shannark.
	And what else?
	Okay.
	Below, awesome pictures.
	The Mbira.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	I guess she wants a WTC7, so I can do that one for her, and we'll give her a Karma.
	And thank you very much.
	Look forward to your ceremony.
	WTC7 won't go away.
	We've got Karma.
	Beautiful.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Onward, J-Boy.
	Parts Unknown 33333.
	Thank you, John and Adam, for all you do.
	Please accept this humble magic number donation.
	Please give some karma to all.
	Go podcasting!
	You've got karma.
	Nice.
	Robert Bruckner, 33333.
	Again, from Parts Unknown.
	ITM, gents, and Happy New Year's.
	Nighthood achieved mostly via V2V donations.
	V to V. It should be V4V. Value to value.
	It should be value for value.
	It should be V4V. You came close.
	Please, that's half as much.
	Half as much.
	Knight me as knight of the desert sprawl.
	Desert sprawl.
	Okay.
	You got it.
	Prost, he says.
	Karma to all donors?
	Yes.
	Suck it to all douchebags.
	Whee!
	Douchebags!
	All right.
	Perfect.
	Let me give this guy a karma.
	Thank you so much.
	You've got karma.
	Outstanding!
	Well, no associates, but we'll take the execs for today.
	Thank you very much.
	Appreciate that.
	And of course, these are real credits, which you can put on your LinkedIn.
	Seems to work extremely well, although no longer in Russia.
	You know that they took the Russia says, oh, you got to take the LinkedIn app out of your app store, Apple.
	Why?
	Because...
	You still get to it on the internet, on the web.
	No.
	I think they're blocking it.
	And the reason why is because they do not adhere to the Russian law, which is very similar to the EU. You have to have a copy of the data on Russian servers, not just somewhere else.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	So it's being taken out.
	Anyway, forget that.
	You can still get gigs, maybe not in Russia, but maybe in the United States, by putting that executive producership right on your profile.
	People seem to dig it.
	We certainly do, and I'll be talking more about the relationship, the new modern relationship between artists and their audiences, why they're melding into one, which is why we call you producers, and in this case, executive producers.
	Another show coming up on Sunday.
	Remember us at...
	Slash N. And I'll be in Amsterdam for the show on Sunday.
	And while you're at it, call game formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Hey, citizens.
	Shut up, slave.
	Backstreet Falls.
	Shut up, slave.
	Nice.
	I want to read a note from Scott Hamilton.
	Who actually is a note, it's a reference.
	Scott Hamilton, the skater?
	I don't, I really doubt it.
	It's like Cohen, pretty common name.
	No agenda show remains the best podcast because it's not beholding to advertisers.
	And he points to this thing that's in the Holiday Inn entry on Wikipedia.
	Which is a movie he and his wife just watched.
	And the Wikipedia says, beginning in the 1980s, some broadcasts of the film entirely omitted the Abraham musical number staged at the inn for Lincoln's birthday.
	That's in this movie Holiday Inn.
	Because of its depiction of a blackface minstrel show incorporating images and behaviors that are now considered offensive.
	However, because Turner Classic Movies airs uncut and unedited, the network has left the Abraham number intact during the screenings of Holiday Inn.
	AMC also aired the film intact before they became an advertiser.
	supported channel.
	To avoid advertiser objections, the edited version now airs annually on AMC.
	Just a little point that advertising has this influence to keep people from seeing or discussing certain things or seeing certain things in this case.
	Yes.
	Well, I want to talk about something else, which I think is a very important case.
	I'm not quite sure of the legal status of it, but it is being discussed in the Senate right now.
	And it's incredibly important for social media networks and why this is getting zero play.
	I mean, I caught it on C-SPAN. By accident.
	By serendipity, actually.
	Serendipity would be the right thing.
	The premier place for escorts to advertise their wares is Backpage.
	I don't know if that's international, but I'm sure it is in the United States.
	They were shut down in the United States.
	Well, so this just happened.
	This just happened two days ago.
	The back page shut down their adult entertainment category.
	And if you go there now, then you click on any of the categories of adult entertainment, which is code for hookers.
	Hookers.
	It says censored.
	The government has unconstitutionally...
	Censored this content.
	And then it has some links.
	What happened?
	Find out.
	Use your social media to support free speech.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Okay.
	Now the allegation, of course, for a long time, which started with Craigslist, is that these advertisements often are used for human trafficking, child prostitution, etc.
	Which I'm sure there's a level of that, no doubt about it.
	But they are now being hauled in, Backpage that is, and this is a conversation between Senator Portman, who is questioning the CEO of Backpage about their practices,
	but the reasoning they use to say, you are bad, you are horrible, you are breaking the law, which I believe to be incorrect, is Is quite interesting and I think very, very important for the internet and services on the internet in general.
	So to set that up, we have the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
	And what was the genius of this act is that it said that if you are just a place where people post content, you are not liable for what happens or what is being said.
	Am I summing that up correctly?
	It's an element, a Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
	It was a lot bigger than that.
	And it was mostly about back engineering and reverse engineering and things like that.
	But this is the entire reason that we can have Twitter, that we can have YouTube, that we can have all these different things.
	That was the entire reason, because you're not editorializing.
	You're not a news...
	Yeah, this began with Yahoo groups and some of these other things.
	So this is important.
	Now listen to what he's saying.
	Mr.
	Ferrer, your company has repeatedly avoided liability by invoking Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.
	Okay, should we listen to it just for a second?
	Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.
	And in this it says...
	No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.
	So in other words, these are online intermediaries.
	That was the entire idea.
	Okay, could you read that again?
	Yeah, sure.
	No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider So this means, I think it actually also means if I have an RSS feed and it posts something that is defamatory, that I cannot be held liable.
	Because I'm not a publisher.
	I would not treat it as a publisher.
	If it's just stuff people post in comments or anything of the like.
	Okay?
	So that's what it says.
	Mr.
	Ferrer, your company has repeatedly avoided liability by invoking Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.
	That's been referenced a couple of times here this morning.
	This act protects websites who just post content created by third parties.
	But our report issued today and posted yesterday afternoon demonstrates conclusively that your reliance on this Communications Decency Act section has not been accurate.
	It's been a fraud, frankly, on the courts, on the victims you sued, who sued you, and on the public.
	Why do I say that?
	I say that because Backpage took an active hand in creating the ads on your site.
	As I talked about in my opening statement, you systematically deleted words, phrases, and images submitted by users that reveal that the posted ad is for an illegal transaction.
	Not just prostitution, but also child sex trafficking.
	Documents show that you called the practice stripping out content from an ad.
	You even maintained an extensive strip term from ad list.
	Let me explain what he's talking about.
	On many sites and chat rooms all over the internet, I'll give you a good example.
	Airbnb does not want you to communicate through anything but the Airbnb system when you reserve an Airbnb.
	So if you type in your phone number or email address, Airbnb strips that out in the messaging system.
	Okay?
	That's what they're talking about.
	Stripping out things.
	It's basically...
	You're saying okay for some reason.
	Why?
	Because it's a Silicon Valley thing, right?
	Okay, go.
	Let's talk about one of the words on that list.
	This is an email you received from Mr.
	Padilla explaining that he was preparing a spreadsheet of, and I quote, the most current list of coded terms set to be stripped out.
	In the document in front of you, you highlighted one of the many words on that list.
	Can you read that highlighted word on that list?
	What an asshole.
	Hold on, hold on, stop it a second.
	Now, what I'm getting from this so far is that this guy, the senator, whoever it is, I can't, you mentioned him.
	Yeah, Portman.
	Is grilling this guy for doing this, because if he wasn't doing this, it would give him the right to publish all this child, in other words, he's encouraging child trafficking.
	Not the guy that does back page, but the senator.
	Well, so the senator is trying to say...
	That's a congressman.
	No, this is a senator.
	The senator is trying to say, your ads advertise...
	Child trafficking, child sex, prostitution, etc.
	And he's connecting that by saying, you automatically strip out words, which he's going to say in a moment, you automatically strip out words, therefore you are editorializing.
	Just keep listening.
	Word on that list.
	And it's really nice.
	Could you please read the first word on that list?
	Can you read that highlighted word on that list?
	After consultation with counsel, I decline to answer your question based on the rights provided by the First and Fifth Amendments.
	In that case, I'll read it.
	The word is Lolita.
	There are some other words on that list.
	Teenage, rape, young.
	Just so everyone understands, this is a document listing code words to be stripped out of advertisements.
	And the ads were then posted on the internet, on Backpage anyway.
	Consistent with what we talked about in the opening statement, this was a way to edit these ads, but still take the payment and profit from the ads.
	Next question, Mr.
	Farrar, if an underage girl is being sold for sex on Backpage and her pimp puts the word Lolita in the advertisement, stripping that term out of the ad doesn't magically change the girl's age, does it?
	After consultation with counsel, I decline to answer your question based on the rights provided by the First and Fifth Amendments.
	Okay.
	And I like that.
	I've never heard the taking the fifth by adding the first.
	I like that.
	That's pretty cool.
	Now, here's the problem.
	What the senator is saying is when you automatically, by computer system, strip out certain words, which could be F words, S words, all kinds of things.
	This is done all over the internet.
	You are then editorializing because you then still take money and place the ad.
	I think Backpage, for them to shut down their adult services, it's going to hurt local commerce.
	I'm not kidding.
	I think it's much bigger than anybody realizes.
	But the senator is incorrect.
	Specifically, there are a number of court cases that have gone through this.
	The Fourth Circuit.
	Lawsuits seeking to hold a service liable for its exercise of a publisher's traditional editorial function, such as deciding whether to publish, withdraw, postpone, or alter content, are barred.
	The purpose of this statutory immunity is not difficult to discern.
	Congress recognized the threat that tort-based lawsuits posed to freedom of speech in the new and burgeoning Internet medium.
	Section 230 was enacted, in part to maintain the robust nature of Internet communication.
	And there are many lawsuits where this type of editorializing is not seen as editorializing, and therefore you still have the safe harbor.
	If this is successful, whatever they're trying to do, I don't know if there's an actual lawsuit, if this is successful...
	Then, I mean, how can you apply that to adult services advertisements, but not to Facebook or Twitter or YouTube or any of these systems?
	Well, you'd have to.
	Exactly.
	So that's why I find this to be incredibly interesting and very important.
	I think it is.
	And there we have it.
	Oh, boy.
	That clip sucked!
	No, it didn't.
	The clip was fine.
	It didn't suck.
	It's just that we had none.
	You didn't have a conclusion.
	I know I didn't have a kicker.
	I should have had a hooker here to say something.
	You didn't have a kicker.
	I'm so dumb.
	I'm sorry.
	The kicker was in your little exposition at the end, but you didn't do it as a kicker.
	I didn't kick it right.
	You missed the ball.
	Lucy pulled the ball out from under me.
	Play this little ISO I have.
	Reptile Wins.
	We love the ISOs.
	What is that from?
	Oh, it was some stupid thing I was watching, and every once in a while they'd show.
	It was one of these things where they're showing all these supposed reptiles in the media, and then they'd show a guy would go out of whack because the digitization didn't work, and it would make it look like he was changing.
	He was doing a, what do you call it, shape-shifting?
	Yeah.
	And every time they did it, it would go, reptile.
	Reptile.
	Then at the end, it was, reptile wins.
	Oh, I like that.
	It was, I think, referring to Katy Perry.
	Ah.
	It was supposed to be...
	Go ahead.
	Okay, ask the question, whatever it was.
	No, go ahead, please.
	I want to play this little thing since we were talking about those hearings.
	And I just have to play this one.
	This is...
	There was two hearings that were important.
	There was the Tillerson and then there was the Jeff Sessions.
	And the Jeff Sessions one, which I have a little clip of, they were grilling him.
	It was really embarrassing.
	Cory Booker.
	This is apparently the first time I've seen the U.S. Senate.
	Hold on.
	Let's back up one second.
	What is happening here is there are a number of cabinet positions that a United States president can appoint, but they have to be confirmed by the Senate.
	And that includes state, defense, DHS. All the cabinet jobs, actually.
	Every single one?
	Yeah, I guess any secretary.
	Yeah, okay.
	And Chuck Schumer himself, the leader of the Democrats now, the minority speaker, said, oh, we're going to take our time.
	We're going to make it difficult.
	How's that good?
	Anyway, so Cory Booker went after Jeff Sessions after, of course, a lot of stuff on the Internet showing that they're great buddies before.
	But apparently, I think Booker was goaded into this by the Black Caucus.
	He seemed uncomfortable.
	He seemed very uncomfortable, and it was embarrassing, I thought, for him.
	And he's supposed to be the next Obama.
	Well, he's not going to cut it with pulling this stunt, because no senator has ever done this before.
	Senators do not testify against senators.
	It's a boys club.
	It's not something we do.
	It's a girls club.
	Whatever club it is, it's like, you don't do this.
	And so this guy's going to be snubbed for quite a while.
	But the more interesting one was Rubio.
	Who was testifying against Tillerson, which you can do.
	And Rubio, it was like all of a sudden he's going to be the defender.
	Like, oh, I'm going to take care of this.
	It'll all hang on me.
	Michael Rubio.
	That's the feeling I got from him.
	Well, I got the feeling that he, for one thing, he's definitely not a no-agenda listener because he's all in with the bullcrap memes and the nonsense about Aleppo in particular is bad.
	And let's play a little bit.
	This is a compilation of some of Rubio's kind of going after this Tillerson character in an anti-Putin manner.
	Is that the Rubio blasting Putin?
	Yeah.
	Is Vladimir Putin a war criminal?
	This question.
	This was a big conversation.
	Two guys asked it.
	Yeah, is Vladimir Putin a war criminal?
	Is George Bush?
	I would not use that term.
	In Aleppo, Mr.
	Putin has directed his military to conduct a devastating campaign.
	He's targeted schools, markets.
	It's resulted in the death of thousands of civilians.
	This is not the first time Mr.
	Putin is involved in campaigns of this kind.
	Those are very, very serious charges to make, and I would want to have much more information before reaching a conclusion.
	Mr.
	Chetterson, what's happening in Aleppo is in the public domain.
	The videos and the pictures are there.
	I would want to be fully informed before advising the president.
	Well, are you aware that people who oppose Vladimir Putin wind up dead all over the world, poisoned, shot in the back of the head?
	Have you never seen the Clinton body count?
	Do you think that was coincidental or do you think that it is quite possible or likely, as I believe, that they were part of an effort to murder his political opponents?
	Well, people who speak up for freedom in regimes that are repressive are often a threat and these things happen to them.
	In terms of assigning specific responsibilities, I would have to have more information.
	None of this is classified, Mr.
	Tillerson.
	These people are dead.
	Not Glasgow, they're dead!
	Oh, Marco.
	I don't know what he's trying to pull.
	But I thought it was ludicrous.
	I have a couple other clips from the hearings.
	Okay.
	From the confirmation hearings.
	I thought, well, let's stay with Sessions for a moment.
	You know, this is just a funny little bit, just to get an idea of the humor.
	Obsessions.
	Of course, he is being questioned for confirmation for Attorney General.
	And he is asked a question, and then he remembers he's under oath.
	But let me just ask you, maybe it's not a great analogy, but let me try anyway.
	You've been married to your wife, Mary, almost 50 years, right?
	Mm-hmm.
	Well, it hasn't gotten to 50 yet.
	47.
	47, okay.
	Well, that's a good run.
	Let me just ask...
	Let it continue.
	I've been blessed.
	Are there occasions when you and your wife disagree?
	No.
	This is like, it's such an honest answer.
	You know, it's like, every guy knows.
	No!
	No!
	None of 47 years.
	No!
	Occasions when you and your wife disagree?
	No, Senator.
	You're under oath.
	Wait a minute, I'm under oath.
	On occasion, we do, yes.
	Well, do you think it would be fair to care?
	Oh, I'm under oath.
	Someone actually yelled that in the background.
	Did you hear it?
	I noticed.
	Yeah, it was funny.
	Wait a minute, I'm under oath.
	I'll play that again.
	That was a funny bit.
	Wait a minute, I'm under oath.
	On occasion, we do, yes.
	Do you think it would be fair to characterize the nature of your relationship with your wife based upon those handful of disagreements that you've had with her over time?
	That's a good point.
	Thank you for making it.
	No, I don't.
	Well, and to your original point, your wife is always right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That was cute.
	That was cute.
	Good catch.
	Then we have, now the nominee for Department of Homeland Security is General John Kelly.
	Don't know a lot about him, but he was asked, I think it was McCain who was grilling him, asked about the problem which I think only one person really highlighted.
	That was Donald Trump, which is our opioid addiction.
	And he mentioned this several times throughout many states that, you know, we have a real problem with heroin, but really opioid addiction.
	And now, of course, you know, we got McCain like, oh, we have a problem with opioid addiction.
	Now, all of a sudden, it's top of the list.
	And here's General John Kelly, nominee for Department of Homeland Security, his feelings on the public and narcotics of the opioid variety.
	Senator, I think I'd start off by saying...
	It's amazing to me, but I just found out very recently that an old friend who's not so old, 62 years old, just after a very successful life, just overdosed on heroin.
	And I think, to your point, it's cheaper and more available in many ways than some of the opioids since she could not apparently get a prescription for what she thought she needed.
	But the point is, That most Americans don't realize it, but an awful lot, 100% of the heroin that we consume in the United States is in fact produced in Mexico, and it's creeping down now into Central America.
	They have responded, the cartels, the networks, Have responded to the demand.
	So instead of Asia and South Asia, it now is all produced here in the Western Hemisphere.
	Poppies are grown in countries as far south now as Guatemala, a little bit in Colombia, although they're getting after it.
	But it is all produced here.
	An awful lot of the opioids, what looks like pharmaceuticals, are actually produced again in Mexico and then pirated up here through the border.
	And of course, part of the problem, I think, and this would be outside my particular area if confirmed, but part of the problem is we are a very overly medicated society.
	Huge amounts of opioids are prescribed legally for...
	Things that in the past would probably not receive that level of medication.
	So the point is, huge problem, getting worse, and the profits are just unbelievable to the cartels that control the whole marketing and transport.
	Yeah, which would be Big Pharma, is the cartel you're referring to.
	I like that he's thinking that way, though.
	They were over-medicated.
	He's right.
	It's interesting.
	Yeah.
	Now, for some reason, you know, well, not for some reason, but the fear mongering...
	Oh, I should mention something.
	For people out there, there may be an addict or two in our audience, and it was the reason that the guy, like the 62-year-old, it's a problem getting off this stuff.
	If you ever get addicted, you probably should avoid it.
	Mm-hmm.
	The problem is that, especially with heroin, you start using it and you build up a tolerance and you start using more and more and more.
	Yeah.
	And then so you get to, like, instead of using 1x, you get to peak heroin.
	Yeah, yeah, peak heroin, say your 5x.
	And then you get off of it somehow and then you somehow want to go back.
	For some reason you're depressed.
	I don't know what causes people to backslide, but apparently they do.
	They start with their old dose that kills them.
	Right off the bat, because they don't have the resistance.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's very sad.
	Now, what is...
	And I'm a little...
	I don't know if I'm surprised or not, but...
	So, President-elect Trump has said, we're going to repeal and replace Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act, which we know a lot about here on the show.
	That's going to be the first order of business, and we're going to sign the repeal, and then we're going to, within the same hour maybe, sign the new deal.
	And from what I understand, there have been plans around for a long time.
	There's a lot of different plans.
	But everywhere I look, everywhere I try to find out what are the plans, I hear, they don't even...
	Well, it turns out they do have a plan.
	And Rand Paul, Rand Paul is the man with the plan.
	Well, actually, I don't want to delay the repeal.
	I'm all for the repeal as soon as we can get to it.
	But we should vote on replacement the same day.
	And I'm putting together a bill that will be out this week that will be a consensus replacement bill.
	There are many bills, probably 50 different Republican bills.
	Some of them have been out two and three decades for the replacement part.
	What we want to do in the replacement is legalize the ability to buy inexpensive insurance, get rid of the Obamacare mandates, let any insurance product be sold, particularly inexpensive insurance products.
	That's number one.
	Let people save tax-free, give them tax credits for health savings accounts so they can buy insurance.
	And then the third thing we want to do is let individuals come together as part of groups or associations so they can buy their insurance as part of a big pool to have leverage to get lower prices and also so they don't get affected by adverse things like pre-existing conditions.
	And so basically we've put together the most popular and I think there is a consensus.
	I think it will pass overwhelmingly in the House.
	The question in the Senate is will Democrats be willing to work with us to replace Obamacare?
	They won't.
	Oh no, of course they won't.
	But what do you think of the general plan?
	The way I hear it is they're going to deregulate the industry, which is arguably one of the problems.
	You can't sell across state lines, and there's all these fiefdoms.
	That's a plus, to be able to sell across state lines, but that's a temporary fix.
	I like the idea of, I think it's too late to do anything other than an aggressive single-payer, and that means Medicare, Medicare, not Medicaid.
	Big difference.
	Medicare for everyone.
	Medicare has been in place.
	Nobody bitches about it.
	In fact, you'll lose votes if you run on an anti-Medicare ticket.
	Anyone over 65 will not vote for you, period, because everyone over 65 who uses Medicare likes it.
	They all like it, even though it's a government program, but there's no bitching about it.
	So if it's so good that all these old farts like it, why don't you just extend it to everybody?
	That's what doesn't make sense to me.
	Everyone brings it up.
	All the Republicans and Democrats are all in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies.
	Oh, no, we can't do that.
	We can't do that.
	We have to do this.
	We have to do something else.
	Because the whole thing is based on a complete scam relating to the pharmaceutical companies.
	I need to write this up so it's more clear.
	But that's all it's about.
	That's the only reason all these prices have skyrocketed.
	Because the pharmaceutical companies figure, well, we could just jack up the price.
	Well, do not discount the two companies that own all the hospitals.
	I mean, they're also completely out of control.
	That's another issue, which is a problem.
	And then the other thing is because this is all going through insurance companies and not the government, you talk to any doctor who's sensible, who handles all these insurance networks, as it were, as if he's in a network, they spend all their time on the phone.
	They have full-time people arguing with everything they prescribe, everything they recommend if it involves a prescription.
	And they have to fight it and fight it and fight it.
	And then they always give us in at the end.
	My doctor just bitches about this incessantly.
	I, you know, the single payer is a big dispute.
	A lot of people do not like that idea at all, at all, at all.
	Of course they don't.
	I don't like it either.
	Because they've been brainwashed not to like the idea.
	I've lived in single payer and I didn't like it.
	That's me.
	That's my experience.
	That's not brainwashing.
	I lived it.
	It sucks.
	Yeah, you couldn't do anything private?
	You couldn't do your own thing on the side?
	Well, yes, of course I could.
	Well, then what's wrong with that?
	Hmm.
	Because I just saw that it doesn't work for people who can't afford private.
	So what you're saying is that because, first of all, the French system works quite well and people like it.
	I'm not familiar with the French system.
	I've only lived in the UK and the Netherlands and both of those systems were not great.
	And people aren't that bitchy about the Canadian system, which is why all the Canadians come here for their operations.
	Please, don't insult me.
	Okay, what's wrong with that?
	Nothing.
	But they're running away from their system.
	For certain things, because there's a waiting list, because the system is abused.
	You know, most people in Canada, the United States, everywhere except France, I think Switzerland, Germany, maybe.
	Yeah, they got these crappy systems because they just abused the poor.
	That's what happens in the DHS. All they do is listen to the British Parliament, and it's just all this complaining about four-hour wait.
	And so they're moaning and groaning constantly because they hate the commoners.
	If you hate your public and you treat them like crap, which is what the British seem to do with their DHS, yeah, it's going to be a crappy system.
	But you turn it around in the particular system we had, most people didn't have any sort of insurance at all.
	So they have to wait four hours.
	You want a four-hour wait?
	Yeah, you go to the emergency room.
	You wait six hours.
	You wait eight hours.
	But it's the emergency room.
	That's acceptable.
	None of this...
	A well...
	A well-done single-payer system that wasn't rife with corruption and hatred for the poor would work fine.
	It can be done.
	And the example is?
	France.
	I brought up this example with a guy like you.
	And he says...
	What do you mean?
	You mean an incredibly handsome, intelligent dude?
	Exactly.
	But he was...
	He says, well, France is a different story.
	I can't speak about France.
	In France, not a lot seems to happen in general.
	People move from England to France for their long-term health care.
	Yes, because the NHS is so shit.
	Exactly.
	Yes, because they hate the commoners.
	Oh, okay.
	It's a hatred of the poor.
	All right.
	Well, I'll give you this.
	And I do not agree.
	I would love to see it outside of single-payer first.
	But I will give you this.
	The single payer would, of course, require incredible negotiations with the insurance companies, but as you point out, the pharmaceuticals and the entire healthcare industry.
	And there would have to be negotiations to get the prices down significantly.
	And I think Trump would be the guy to do that, but I don't know if that's the plan.
	I don't think they're going to go in that direction.
	Well, Trump has thought about single payer.
	He used to be a single payer advocate.
	Hmm.
	But he's not going to do it because the Republicans aren't going to go for it.
	As far as they're concerned, these pharmaceutical companies can rip off the public and nobody cares.
	Let's have a hearing, oh, it's free enterprise.
	But they'll have to pay, Medicare will have to pay the doctors more.
	Because a lot of doctors don't take Medicare patients, hatred of the poor, maybe, but also because it really doesn't cover their cost.
	So that'll have to go up.
	You can do a hybrid system that I think would work fine.
	Okay.
	Well, we'll see.
	It's doable.
	They're not going to do it.
	I just mentioned this.
	It's just that most people on Medicare like it.
	And they'll vote against you if you go against it.
	So why is that?
	Why do they like it so much?
	And that's a socialized medicine system.
	That's single payer.
	I'm thinking you have Medicare?
	It's single payer in this country.
	Yes.
	Why do they like it so much?
	Do you have it?
	Do you like it?
	Not that old.
	No, me neither.
	What's my official age?
	I can't remember.
	64.
	Here is some good news, though, on the health front.
	Trump has named Robert Kennedy as the lead on the panel on vaccine safety.
	I like that.
	Yeah, get the crazy crackpots in there.
	Well, they got an anti-global warming head of the EPA. They have an anti-vaxxer.
	That's the head of the Health and Human Services.
	Gotta love it.
	I mean, there's humor.
	There was some protester who was during Tillerson's, who I like, by the way.
	I love listening to him.
	Again, I wasn't watching, I was just listening.
	Tillerson reminds me of Jonathan Winters.
	Jonathan Winters.
	Your 2,000-year-old man?
	Is that it?
	No, Jonathan Winters was a very famous stand-up comic.
	Yeah, but didn't he do the bit, the 2,000-year-old man?
	No, no, that's Mel Brooks and Carl Wright.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	So, Jonathan Winters did these characters, and one of the characters that he did was Tillerson.
	It's exactly Tillerson.
	Yeah.
	Anyway.
	Only the older members of the audience will get their reference.
	So, Tillerson is testifying or answering questions, and then a protest is like, don't give the State Department to Exxon!
	And I'm thinking to myself, are you kidding me?
	The State Department has been working on Exxon's behalf for decades.
	Forever.
	Yes, it's their extraction unit.
	Maybe, maybe.
	How naive are people?
	Maybe we'll have better deals without killing people if we do it their way.
	I don't know.
	It's just a thought.
	However, in the United States of Gitmo Nation Europe, things are not good.
	Things are not good at all.
	There's a lot of problems, particularly with the entire...
	The concept of the European Union, which is, amongst other things, which was sold to people, as freedom of movement.
	Yes, we're back to talking about Schengen.
	It's in danger.
	Officials from Denmark, Sweden, and Germany have been at emergency talks in Brussels amid mounting concerns over new border controls.
	It comes after Sweden introduced ID checks on all people traveling to Denmark, and Denmark tightened controls on its frontier with Germany.
	It's now to double blow to the Schengen area.
	We all agreed that the Schengen and free movement must be safeguarded, both for citizens and economy.
	Sweden took in more than 160,000 migrants last year, many of them having travelled through Denmark.
	It's the largest number for any EU country in relation to its population, and has put a huge strain on services.
	That's why the government decided to impose stricter controls.
	Now, we of course know that Denmark are the happiest people on earth.
	So wait a minute, so they're going through Denmark, which isn't really attached to Sweden, but you can take that new train?
	Yes.
	Into Malmo.
	Yeah.
	That's funny.
	Yeah.
	So Denmark, happiest people on earth, also the most medicated people on earth, but you might want to just keep that secret.
	They're also a little tired of the migrants, the fun loving Danes who have everything perfect, education, health care.
	Oh, and have some migrants.
	Denmark has agreed to back controversial changes to its immigration laws.
	Among the proposals is a new measure to take away refugees' possessions worth around 1,500 euros to pay for their stay.
	Last week, the Danish Prime Minister made clear the amount refugees could keep would be raised from the 400 euros initially suggested.
	A backlash over the rise in asylum seekers in Denmark has put the minority centre-right government under pressure.
	It has just 34 seats out of 179 in Parliament and depends on the support of parties to the right of centre, including the anti-immigrant Danish People's Party.
	Oh yeah.
	Come here with your money!
	That is so funny.
	Hey, you can come in here, but you need to give us some money.
	Well, we're floating around Europe.
	Let's listen to Question Time.
	Ah, yes.
	We love the Prime Minister.
	And I have two clips here, and one of them is very interesting.
	The first one is Question Time.
	This is the Scots...
	The Scots are always in Parliament bitching about stuff, and here's the Scots' complaint.
	It has been over six months since the European referendum.
	Embarrassingly for the Prime Minister, the Scottish Government is the only administration on these islands that have published a plan on what to do next.
	Has the Prime Minister read it yet?
	No.
	Has the Prime Minister read it yet?
	And when will she be publishing her own plan?
	Well, can I join the Honourable Gentleman in wishing everybody in the House, not only members, but all the staff of the House, a very happy new year?
	And can I say to him that I've, as I said to the liaison committee when I appeared in front of them before Christmas, I will, in a matter of weeks, be setting out some more details of our proposals on this issue.
	But I would like just to remind the honourable gentleman, when he talks about the Scottish Government's plan, that, of course, it is his party, the Scottish Nationalist Party, that wants to leave the United Kingdom and therefore leave the European Union.
	That's her zinger.
	There's nothing like Parliament...
	You just say, hey, let me talk about this.
	I got something on my mind.
	I'm really pissed off about something.
	So the head of the Scots is Angus Robertson.
	I always get a kick out of him.
	He's always got the most nasty things.
	And then he brings up a point which I think was completely obscured in the American media for a number of reasons.
	But let's listen to his question time.
	This is Angus Robertson.
	...bitching about a situation that's evolved in Northern Ireland.
	Mr.
	Speaker, the Prime Minister has indicated that she wants to take the views of the elected representatives and the devolved institutions on Brexit seriously.
	So it stands to reason then that if there is no Northern Irish Assembly and there is no Northern Irish Executive for much of the time before the March timetable that she has set before invoking Article 50, that she'll be unable to properly consult, to fully discuss and to find agreement on the complex issues during this time period.
	In these circumstances, will the Prime Minister postpone invoking Article 50...
	Will she postpone Article 50 or will she just plough on regardless?
	It's about ensuring, as he says, we want to ensure that we do hear the views from all parts of the United Kingdom.
	That's why we have established the JMC European Committee specifically to take the views and the JMC plenary.
	which is also obviously meeting more frequently than previously and I'm clear that first of all we want to try to ensure that within this period of seven days we can find a resolution to the political situation in Northern Ireland so that we can continue to see the Assembly Government continuing but I'm also clear that in the discussions that we have it will be possible,
	I mean it is still the case that actually ministers are in place and that obviously there are executives in place that we are still able to take the views of Northern Ireland Alright, so explain to me exactly what's going on.
	The way we left it, I thought we were going to find out from the courts if Parliament had to have a say in the triggering of Article 50.
	What exactly did we learn after all this?
	This is a completely different complication.
	The Irish government, which has not been reported by any of the news media here for some unknown reason, collapsed.
	There's no Irish government.
	Northern Ireland had done a shared power thing so they would have their own little parliament with a first deputy minister and a first minister and a deputy minister.
	Everyone's quit.
	They bailed out because of this ash for cash scandal, which I think is the reason that no one wants to talk about this because this was an environmental idea.
	Called Ash for Cash, part of something called RHI, which was the Reusable Heating Initiative, I believe.
	Are we back to the back page story?
	Did you say Ash for Cash?
	Ash for Cash.
	Oh, Ash for Cash.
	Gotcha.
	Gotcha.
	It turned out that the Greenies, the Global Warmists in Ireland in 2012 set up this system to get people to stop using coal.
	Horrible coal.
	And so they came up with this incentive plan.
	Oh, it's a global warming thing.
	Yeah.
	Oh, God.
	And so they came up with this incentive plan to get people to use pelletized wood.
	Hey, that's really good, though.
	Pelletized wood you can use to run your car.
	Yeah, I guess.
	I don't know how you do it, but I guess it's possible.
	Now, this wood pellet, first I have a bitch about these wood pellets.
	Horowitz bought one of these things, and it kind of bugs me.
	I was irked by it because I've seen these.
	These are barbecues that use this pelletized wood.
	You can buy them.
	Costco has them once in a while.
	Some guys will come in there and they sell this pelletized wood barbecue.
	Why would you just buy some charcoal or some real wood, throw it in there?
	Now you want these pellets.
	Now pellets are in the Pacific Northwest.
	I'm very familiar with this because there's a bunch of furnaces and other items you can buy that use these pellets.
	You buy a sack of these pellets.
	They're pretty cheap.
	And it's like some sort of little pieces of wood that have been turned.
	Are they green?
	Are they friendly for the environment?
	Are they recycled?
	Well, they're supposed to burn at a better efficiency, so they're much better for the environment.
	But I see them as like, they're like miniature, little miniature, those logs you can buy and burn in the fireplace.
	You know, I bought a couple of those for Tina.
	She has a fireplace at her apartment.
	Yeah.
	And I, this was Christmas, and the only place that I could buy anything was Whole Foods.
	And I go in and I get some logs.
	They're made from, and they're very expensive.
	They're made from recycled coffee grounds.
	I know!
	I know!
	Well, one of the things, Presto Logs, just as an aside, Presto Logs, when I was working as an inspector at the Chevron refinery, there's different layers.
	I think I've told this story on the show before.
	There's different layers of, you know, you've got your aromatics that come off the distillation tank.
	There's all these distillation tower.
	There's all these different products that come off of the process that goes on in the refineries, all these different processes.
	And when you're done and through, when you've pretty much gotten everything you could out of a gallon of oil, there's this goop.
	Ah!
	The famous goop.
	Called Bottoms.
	And Bottoms is just like, there's nothing they can do with it, but ah, no, there is something they can do with it.
	It's this horrible goo.
	They use it to make these Presto logs.
	Huh.
	That's what sticks.
	First, you get a bunch of sawdust and you drop this goo in there, which is probably the most unhealthy stuff to breathe.
	It's got all the heavy metals.
	Everything about it has got to be bad.
	But that's what these Presto lugs are made from, which is sawdust and mixed with this crap.
	And I'm always thinking that these wood pellets have an element of that because if you look at these little wood pellets, they're like little miniature Presto lugs.
	They're very small little pieces.
	But they got like a shine to them, which makes...
	What's the shine from?
	It's got to be a chemical.
	So you're against this because it's dumb?
	I think it's dumb.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, so the Irish decided this one deputy minister, or the minister, she's decided that we're going to have this program.
	And it turns out that the incentives were such that the...
	And it was only for farmers and industry...
	And this term and these whistleblowers came and nobody paid any attention to them.
	They said, hey, these farmers are using this to heat their barns.
	Their barns are now being heated, which is stupid on a farm.
	But it turns out the more that they use, the more pellets they use, the more money they can make on these rebates.
	For every dollar they spent on these pellets, they got $1.60 back.
	So this became this huge scandal in Ireland that has brought down the government.
	I didn't know this at all.
	This is very interesting.
	And so the government, there's no government there now.
	And the British don't know what to do because they have to be involved in the Brexit and all the rest of it.
	Of course, of course.
	And they can't just – so they're going to have kind of a quick election to try to put some people in.
	But this could take months.
	But the whole thing is because of some do-gooder.
	Oh, global warming, they're burning coal.
	We can't have that.
	Let's don't burn coal.
	Let's burn these pellets, which are obviously some pellet makers making tons of money.
	And it's just a fiasco.
	None of it's being covered.
	And I think the reason it's not being covered is because it's another example of these do-gooders that are screwing up the world.
	Right.
	Story of our lives.
	Do-gooders.
	Hey, I want to get us into the donation segment, but I got a clip, which in context of our value for value, which we started about six, seven, yeah, about seven, eight years, No.
	About five years after, five or six, seven years, after this statement was made.
	And, you know, our concept of how the internet should work and how media will work.
	And in this case, it's relating more to the music business.
	But I think you'll enjoy this.
	And for this, I want to go.
	Can you get in the time machine?
	Yeah, hang on.
	There we go.
	1999.
	Welcome.
	Hey, John.
	Hey man!
	Hey dude!
	1999!
	We're here!
	Prince is still alive!
	It's beautiful!
	You know who else is alive?
	David Bowie.
	David Bowie is from the future, and we listen to him now from 1999.
	The internet is now, carries the flag of being subversive and possibly rebellious, and chaotic, nihilistic, and Oh, yes it is.
	Forget about the microbes.
	And by the way, he's talking with Jeremy Paxman, who is like, what is this internet thing?
	It's 1999, so you remember, it's like, what is the internet thing?
	Check the calendar!
	The microbe, soft element.
	The monopolies do not have a monopoly.
	Maybe on programs.
	What you like about it is the fact that anyone can say anything or do anything.
	From where I am, by virtue of the fact that I am a pop singer and writer, I really...
	I really like, I embrace the idea that there's a new demystification process going on between the artist and the audience, because the vocabulary of rock is too well known.
	It's a currency that is not, it's not devoid of meaning anymore, but it's certainly only a conveyor of information.
	It's not a conveyor of rebellion.
	And the internet has taken on that, as I say.
	So I find that a terribly exciting area.
	So from my standpoint, being an artist, I'd like to see what the new construction is between artist and audience.
	There is a breakdown.
	Personified, I think, by the rave culture of the last few years, where the audience is at least as important as whoever is playing at the rave.
	It's almost like the artist is to accompany the audience and what the audience is doing.
	And that feeling is very much permeating music and permeating the internet.
	But what is it specifically about the internet?
	Anybody can say anything.
	And it all adds up to what?
	I mean, it seems to me there's nothing cohesive about it in the way that there was something cohesive about the youth.
	I love how this guy is thinking.
	What an old-fashioned douchebag.
	Revolution in music.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And because I think that we, at the time, up until at least the mid-'70s, really felt that we were still living under the...
	In the guise of a single and absolute created society where there were known truths and known lies and there was no kind of duplicity or pluralism about the things that we believed in.
	That started to break down rapidly in the 70s and the idea of...
	A duality in the way that we live.
	There are always two, three, four, five sides to every question.
	That this singularity disappeared.
	And that, I believe, has produced such a medium as the internet, which absolutely establishes and...
	It shows us that we are living in total fragmentation.
	I don't think we've even seen the tip of the iceberg.
	I think the potential of what the internet is going to do to society, both good and bad, is unimaginable.
	I think we're actually on the cusp of something exhilarating and terrifying.
	It's just a tool, though, isn't it?
	No, it's not.
	No, it's an alien life form.
	But it's simply a different delivery system, then.
	You're arguing about something more profound.
	Oh, yeah, I'm talking about the actual context and the state of content is going to be so different to anything that we can really envisage at the moment.
	Where the interplay between the user and the provider will be so in simpatico.
	It's going to crush our ideas of what mediums are all about.
	Yes.
	You know where he got all those thoughts, right?
	From the grave?
	Tech TV. Oh, really?
	Yeah, he has a place in, or it did, have a place in Bermuda.
	And Tech TV was available there, and he watched it.
	He was a religious watcher of all his longest material.
	What does in simpatico mean?
	It means the same as simpatico, I think.
	Oh.
	Well, the reason...
	First of all, let's go back to...
	Let's go back...
	Hop in the...
	Get back in...
	Let's get back in...
	Oh, I hate time travel.
	Oh, God.
	It makes me nauseous.
	It hurts.
	It makes me nauseous.
	He was so spot on, though.
	And you can hear the legacy media, mainstream media, the old guy going, eh, it's just a tool.
	It's just a different delivery mechanism.
	I like that.
	We saw this with cable.
	It's like, what's the big deal?
	And now, when you hear this...
	It makes so much sense.
	I would say, I'm not quite sure if the universe gave us these ideas or however it happened, but I think we've been riding the crest of the wave with our value-for-value proposition.
	And I think Bowie's absolutely right.
	And the people who do not innovate, music business, television news business, printed news business, You don't innovate.
	You're going to die.
	It's just it's slow motion.
	And they're all thinking, it's just another delivery mechanism.
	Yeah, well, I can see how you can think that.
	It is a delivery mechanism.
	It is a delivery mechanism, but what Bowie said, and of course Bowie is God, what you take, what is happening between the audiences and the, what did he call them, the artists or producers, I mean, this is why our supporters of this program are called producers.
	For this very reason.
	Because they are.
	In many more ways than one.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on No Agenda.
	In the morning.
	Well, we have a few people to thank for helping us produce show 894.
	We're getting on to 900.
	That's right, man.
	Anonymous in Munich.
	München.
	$150.
	There's no DB call out here, but he wants a de-douching.
	You've been de-douched.
	And he has a baby.
	Give him a little karma at the end.
	Eric Schmidt in Frankfurt, Deutschland.
	He, for some reason, he says, I think some don't, all the jingles, he likes to, you know, he's one of these guys at the end of the show that's finally convinced him to donate.
	Although, there's been another error.
	It wasn't for the content, it was because of the jingles at the end of the show.
	Yes.
	Who cares what you have to say?
	I love the jingles.
	It's outstanding.
	Yes, it is.
	I have a doozy for today.
	A doozy.
	Uh-oh.
	I got a doozy.
	I got a doozy.
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Gary Wiley, $100.
	Eric Tolbert, Topeka, Kansas, 8008.
	Boobs.
	Ah, boobs.
	Sorry, I forgot the boobs.
	I can keep reading.
	I'll get the boobs jingle.
	Okay, well we got a couple of these boobs.
	I know, well then let's do the boobs.
	Where's the boobs?
	Is this different?
	Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs. Boobs.
	Anyway, Eric's got a birthday.
	Eric's wife's got a birthday.
	Boobs on there.
	Brian Leslie in Bremerton, Washington.
	Boobs.
	Sir Roger, what is his boots in Mechanicsville, Iowa.
	Thomas in Frankfurt.
	And we had a lot of Germans today.
	808.
	I like the Germans coming in.
	He's 808, not the boobs.
	So Chris Durkin, Parts Unknown, Amir Toole in Calgary, Alberta.
	Boobs.
	So those all came in because I think Trump was the boob of the day in this one.
	Ah, yes.
	Trump haters.
	Colin Cunningham, 77-77.
	Me too.
	He's got some little information that we'll read later.
	Sir Brian Green of Hams.
	Oh, 73s.
	KC9YJM. That's right.
	73s.
	Kilo 5 Alpha.
	Charlie Charlie.
	Arthur Gobitz.
	Gobitz.
	Gobitz.
	In Zondam.
	7117.
	He has a note.
	Hug more kitties.
	Marcin Brzezinski, I guess, in Didcot, Great Britain, UK. He has some lewd comment.
	Sure got Nate in Sebastopol, California, 69-69.
	Richard Moffitt in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 66-66.
	He actually sent in a bunch of checks.
	11-11, 22-22, and 33-33, which is 66.
	Nice.
	Yeah, I don't know what he's trying to do there, but maybe he didn't want to be listed.
	Ricky McMahon in Bayshore, New York, 5555.
	Sean Florian in Parts Unknown, 5369.
	I'd like to call out my friend Ryan for being a douchebag.
	Douchebag!
	We just did it.
	Philip Peterson, 50.
	Now the following are all $50 donors.
	There's a few here.
	And I'll read them by name and location.
	If there's a location.
	If not, I'll just say their names.
	Phillip Peterson.
	Michael Vikland in Sweden.
	Jesse Nolet in Arlington, Texas.
	Richard Gardner, parts unknown.
	Jim Thomas in Fort Myers, Florida.
	Lucas Lundy.
	Anonymous in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.
	We need some job karma to put it at the end.
	David Peet, Aubrey, Texas.
	Drew Mochak in El Cerrito.
	Hey!
	El Cerrito, California is just down the street.
	And finally, shortlist.
	I'm waving now.
	Shortlist, Kyle Meyer.
	Myers.
	The arrow is right on top of it.
	He's in Atlanta, Georgia.
	That concludes our little list of people that helped on show 894.
	Yes.
	And I have two notes here that I wanted to read.
	Let me see.
	First one.
	Oh yeah, this was nice.
	This was from Scott.
	He is a dude named Ben.
	A few shows back, you and John were discussing pens.
	There's a dude named Ben, full-stack e-commerce developer for Newell Brands.
	Waterman is one of our fine writing brands.
	Did you receive a pen?
	Yes, I got a Waterman pen.
	Yeah, a Papermate.
	Me too.
	Very nice.
	I didn't know this.
	This was news to me.
	That Papermate was owned by Waterman?
	No, either way around.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So I appreciate that.
	Yeah, I like that pen.
	But, you know, these ink joy pens, I was expecting to get it.
	But he's not like one of the guys in the marketing department we would have gotten a case.
	Yes, exactly.
	The dude named Ben gets one.
	Yeah, the dude named Ben probably gets a discount.
	He has to pay for it.
	He has to pay for it, exactly.
	So we have a note here.
	I thought it would be worth reading.
	I'm a 28-year-old gay male, millennial, living in Oyster Bay, New York, home of Theodore Roosevelt.
	Eddie sent a little pin.
	It was a commemorative pin.
	First time donor, long time listener.
	You both provided insight of what's happening in the world that I cannot get from the media or my friends.
	As a fellow free thinker, you can imagine how having different opinions can make one feel alone.
	Your twice weekly podcast reminds me that I'm not the only one who sees through the curtain.
	I love you both and thanks for the sanity.
	If possible, could I have a de-douching and some job karma?
	Yes.
	And then he has a little PS here.
	He works for Scott's Miracle Grow, a large petrochemical company for home garden care.
	A few weeks ago, you guys were mentioning investing in marijuana.
	It's going to be huge, as you're already aware.
	This is a tip for people.
	Two years ago, we started a company called Black Magic.
	It specialized in hydroponic gardening products for weed.
	The company is modeled after Budweiser.
	Starting or investing heavily in craft beer companies.
	We've had unbelievable growth.
	We're buying everyone.
	And this is what's going to happen.
	What company is this?
	Scott's Miracle Grow.
	Symbol SMG. That's what I was looking for.
	What's the stock symbol?
	This is Mickey.
	So we'll give him for that stock tip.
	Yes, that's a great stock tip.
	But even more important, can we get some of the hydroponics?
	Well, maybe, if you're going to grow it yourself.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so I'd give him...
	He wants a jobs karma and something else.
	Yes, dedouching.
	Okay, well, let me dedouche him right now.
	You've been dedouched.
	Final note from Timothy Kiernan.
	He sent me a book.
	A book is from Dr...
	Pippa Malmgren.
	I don't know if you're familiar with that book.
	But he says, it reminded me a lot about the No Agenda show.
	So I'm going to read that and I appreciate that.
	Of course, we want to thank everyone who came in under $50, usually for reasons of anonymity.
	It does happen still.
	And, of course, people on our subscriptions, our 11-11s, 12-12s, 33-33s, or even the $5 a month.
	Anything you do helps, and you are producing the best podcast in the universe, and we highly appreciate that.
	And remember, we've got another show coming up on Sunday.
	Dvorak.org slash NA. As requested.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	Yay!
	You've got karma.
	And just a short list today, Eric Tolbert says happy birthday to his smoking hot wife, Bessie.
	She celebrates on the 12th.
	And Eric the Shills says happy birthday to his wife D celebrating, we don't know, a birthday for sure.
	Happy birthday from everybody here in the best podcast in the universe!
	That's what you wanted me to say, right?
	We had D. Yes, I wanted that, and I also want to mention that this stock tip is not really a stock tip, and it's nothing we're advising anyone to buy.
	It's just something I read.
	Yes, this is true.
	Contact your professional investment advisor.
	Thank you.
	Your professional.
	Yeah, I love that.
	All right, do we have one night?
	We got, no, two nights, one day.
	So that calls for the big blade today, John, if you can whip it out.
	Whip it out, whip it out, boy!
	Whip it out!
	Whipping!
	Whoa!
	That's the big one.
	Alright, we need Robert Bruckner, John R. Hall, and Shannon Brame all to join us here on stage.
	On the podium, next to the lectern, you three have contributed to the No Agenda show, the best podcast in the university, amount of $1,000 or more.
	Therefore, you can take place at the roundtable for the Knights and the Dames, and I am very proud to pronounce the KV... Sir Robert Bruckner, Knight of the Desert Sprawl.
	Sir Hall.
	And finally, Dame Shanark.
	That's right.
	We have hookers and blow, red boys and chardonnay.
	We've got half eggs with leaf sauce, sake and skanks.
	Lego and leg warmers.
	We've got cheap wine and chili dogs.
	We've got dosakis and Dutch dominatrix.
	Breast milk and pablum.
	Mutton and mead.
	And of course, ginger ale and gerbils.
	And noagendanation.com slash rings is where you can still take everything.
	To go and give Eric the Shill your information.
	But it's changing.
	He's revamped the site.
	It's a new year.
	And the Shill is on the stick.
	I like it when he does that.
	He always gets really excited.
	He's excited about that stuff.
	He likes to work.
	There's something going on.
	I'm flagging it now.
	Flagging it now.
	It must have been five years ago at this point, we talked about the huge Leviathan field, natural gas field, which is claimed predominantly by Israel.
	It's in the Mediterranean.
	Jordan claims a little bit of it, and of course, we've had Nobel Energy, who owns the contract, which was expertly negotiated by their consultant, William Jefferson Clinton.
	So everyone's all in.
	And this thing is starting to ramp up.
	Now it's been a couple of years.
	And the idea of almost any gas play is to get the gas to the number one customer in the world, which is Europe.
	And while we're doing that, try and cut off all of Russia's pipelines.
	Make sure whatever we do, F Russia, take our gas.
	Good luck.
	Well, it's true.
	That's what they want, but the price is better with the Russian stuff.
	Yes.
	Now, the problem is that the pipelines will be partially underwater.
	Noble Energy has always planned to get this into Europe through Cyprus.
	Through Cyprus and then off into Greece and then we can go off into other parts of the EU. Cyprus is in play right now.
	Very underreported.
	Talks in Geneva on the reunification of Cyprus have reached a crucial point.
	Greece has suggested Turkey has a 28.2% share of the island, while the Turkish delegation is pushing for 29.2%.
	The UN envoy to Cyprus said there was still work to do, but added that discussions to resolve the 42-year division are on track, and many contentious issues have been resolved.
	The aim of the talks is to establish a two-state federation with both sides sharing power.
	The Greek, Turkish and British foreign ministers are expected to join discussions in the Swiss city on Thursday.
	Talks between the two sides on the internal issue of politics finished tonight with the exchange of maps for the first time in over a decade.
	Now this is a big deal.
	I don't know about reunification.
	I could not find out exactly why that one extra percent makes a difference for Turkey.
	But I can bet it has something to do with not allowing a pipeline to come through.
	Or some other, maybe to have it come through.
	Go to Turkey.
	I mean, Turkey is the number one partner right now with Russia for all of the new pipelines that are going to be going into Europe.
	This is in play.
	And there's, what, 30,000 Turkish troops already in Cyprus?
	We could see a civil war breakout.
	Well, there's been borderline civil war breaking out in Cyprus for decades.
	Yes, but now it's about real money, about the gas pipelines.
	I think we're going to see a lot of crazy crap coming down.
	We'll let the shooting commence.
	We'll be on top of it for you.
	I put in the show notes a number of images.
	You can find it under the Cyprus heading.
	And it shows how these pipelines will run.
	Fascinating stuff to see how this is playing out.
	And the Brits, of course, are involved not just for any reason.
	They have interest in oil and gas.
	But Turkey, with going from 28.9 to 29.9, there's something about that that I haven't figured out.
	Maybe one of our listeners, our producers, will have an idea about it.
	But I see trouble ahead for Cyprus.
	Remember when they locked down all the banks?
	Russian money?
	They stole all the money.
	Yeah.
	With a bail-in.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's an old trick.
	It could happen anywhere.
	It's an oldie but a goodie.
	So while you're discussing Russia, I might as well do this because it brings up kind of a theme of our show.
	This is Chris Matthews.
	And this clip is Chris Matthews with Chris Coons, who's one of the Democrat senators.
	And Matthews kind of asks the question, you'll hear it, but the question about Russia, because he's kind of befuddled himself, like I think most of the public is.
	...the goods for the neocons, certainly both of those gentlemen.
	Why is Russia such a focus of our foreign policy right now?
	Why is it almost the exclusive domain of debate?
	What's it about Russia?
	Because they carried out a cyber attack on our election, because they've been carrying out aggression against Ukraine and threatening our NATO allies in Europe, undermining our Western European allies, and have engaged in, I think, also war crimes in Syria.
	So it's a fairly assertive, aggressive Russia under Vladimir Putin.
	Well, Trump clearly sides with Tellerson and against you.
	He thinks there's a hope for some kind of alliance with Putin.
	What do you think?
	An alliance, I think, would be overstating it.
	What Mr.
	Tillerson said today, and I would agree with this point, was that Russia's our adversary.
	But there are certain areas where we could be partners.
	Nuclear nonproliferation, fighting against terrorism, working to improve some of our relations with the rest of the world.
	I think we're going to face a very difficult menu for President-elect Trump.
	He's got problems from North Korea to the South China Sea, from global warming to the real challenges containing Iran.
	And I don't think there's going to be a lot of bandwidth for them to focus.
	Well, last question.
	We were able to get along with Stalin in World War II. He basically carried the load of the war on the Eastern Front in fighting the Nazis.
	We were able to get along with Khrushchev on a limited span treaty with nuclear weapons testing with Kennedy.
	We were able to get along with Brezhnev in terms of salt and the rest of it.
	Shouldn't we always be trying to get along with the Russians?
	It is possible.
	Of course, Chris.
	It is possible that we could reach some agreements that would make our world more safe and would reduce conflict.
	But that cannot include turning a blind eye to their annexation of Crimea or their crimes in Syria.
	Okay, thank you so much, Chris Coons on the Foreign Relations Committee.
	What do you leave out?
	What do you leave out?
	Snowden!
	I see.
	I'm afraid to say it.
	I'm not saying it anymore.
	This whole thing started in 2013, this hatred of Russia and making Russia the bad guy.
	And that started in 2013 when Snowden, they refused to give up Snowden because we have no extradition treaty with the Russians, probably for a lot of reasons.
	But if we don't have the extradition treaty, we can't demand somebody to be extradited.
	Why don't we just stop beating around the bush and say, okay, Snowden's there, he's stuck there, and that's that.
	We don't have to turn this into this never-ending battle with all this bullcrap.
	And his laundry list there was all bullcrap.
	Oh, this and that.
	I mean, nobody likes to mention that Newland and the Americans are the ones that caused that problem in Ukraine, which resulted...
	Yeah.
	Never gets mentioned.
	Let's remind everybody...
	We remember.
	Yes, we do.
	I caught a bit from Judge Napolitano, speaking of pardons, and this is regarding the FBI Clinton email records release they did, was that Friday before Christmas as well?
	I think it was.
	I don't remember.
	Yeah, it was a lot of releases.
	Well, it's explained here.
	300 pages of documents released by we don't know who within the FBI, which had possession of them, turning them over to the public to see.
	And they suggest clearly that there are a lot of misunderstandings about what was held by Mrs.
	Clinton, what was communicated by her and to her of a highly sensitive nature.
	The highly sensitive nature was 301 pages of emails which Mrs.
	Clinton sent on a regular basis to a non-government person.
	We have reason to believe that that was Sid Blumenthal with whom she emailed on a daily and regular basis several times a day.
	But what we now know What Donald Trump feared and argued during the campaign and what rogue FBI agents who profoundly disagreed with Director Comey's decision to recommend against indictment was true.
	That the information Mrs.
	Clinton regularly sent to her emailer was hacked by foreign intelligence agencies of countries unfriendly to us and friendly to us.
	And sources tell Fox News those were Russia, China unfriendly, Israel friendly.
	This is the smoking gun if ever there was one.
	This ramps up the case for her prosecution.
	To the point where, ironically, it may also ramp up the case for President Obama to issue her a pardon and to take this off of Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions' desks.
	But if he doesn't do that, the pressure on the Attorney General from the FBI agents who conducted the investigation, who probably posted this stuff last night during the Giants-Packers game, will be very difficult for him to resist.
	Yeah, and I'm thinking Obama is going to let it ride.
	I bet he loves that.
	Yeah, he'll, you know, nah, I'm not going to pardon you.
	Enjoy sessions.
	Well, you know, this is a very interesting pickle.
	Yeah.
	Because, yeah, they could pardon her, and there's a way of pardoning her for stuff that she's going to be indicted for later.
	There's something called a special kind of a pardon.
	Yeah.
	We know you're a criminal, and they're going to pardon you in advance.
	He won't do that in a million years.
	So they'd have to indict her before, which means in the next week, because the 20th is coming up.
	It's next Friday, I believe.
	That's right, yes.
	So he has to pardon her before Friday of next week.
	I just don't see it happening, and I think that's why everyone's, well, we're not going to do anything.
	Trump made a big deal about saying they're not going to do anything.
	Hillary's fine.
	She just lost election.
	I'm not going to...
	Right, so the setup is FBI demands it.
	That's the setup.
	That's the setup.
	I don't think Comey is going to do that.
	Well, we'll see.
	You know, I have my doubts about Comey.
	He might do it after the inauguration.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Possibly after the inauguration.
	That's my point.
	Yeah, no, I said, yeah, no, sorry.
	But, you know, Comey, he's not clean.
	I don't see him as a clean guy.
	He has shit on his hands from HSBC. He's definitely deeply involved.
	But he's an FBI. He knows how to protect his eyes.
	He also is politically savvy.
	He knows not...
	He can't do that now before the 20th because it looks suspicious.
	Because in two or three months he can do it saying, well, we've been working on it and working on it and working on it.
	We have to be very thorough because this is a public figure and all the rest of it.
	He can, you know, six months from now it's even better.
	But once it happens, Trump's not going to partner, that's for sure.
	Although...
	My phone, my phone.
	I ended the segment, John.
	Hey, everybody, it's time for Tech News, where the hornies always never do what we do, because we're much better than them.
	I have two Tech News segments.
	I don't think you have anything for us today, but I will play my two Tech News segments.
	I do not.
	All right, here's number one.
	Hi there, it's Ashley Carver.
	Oops.
	Norway has become the first country in the world to begin switching off its FM radio network Norway has become the first country in the world to begin switching off its FM radio network For the moment, the scheme applies only to northern Nordland, but the whole country will be digital by the end of the year.
	The government says DAB Radio will save money, allow more broadcasters and sound better, but that is only if people can hear it.
	New products will be introduced onto the market over the next few months.
	They'll have tactile buttons and a text-to-speech function.
	Critics say that while FM programmes in mountainous Norway need many transmitters and is costly, reception at the launch was poor and especially elderly people, particularly dependent on the radio, with first-generation DAB sets, will have to upgrade to DAB Plus devices.
	2.3 million car owners will have no DAB in their vehicles either.
	Now, this DAB stuff, which I followed for a long time because UK has DAB and the Netherlands has DAB, it's pretty much been a failure.
	We have a version of it.
	We've had it for years called HD radio.
	Right.
	But it's a failure.
	It's been all over the place.
	I can get HD radio.
	I don't get it.
	HD radio has been...
	Right, but HD radio still is broadcast on the regular FM transmitters.
	This is DAB, which requires a different transmitter, I think different frequencies, and it's all digital.
	You need new receivers.
	I'm going to look into that.
	I'm not sure it was broadcast on the same system as FM. All I know is that nobody uses it.
	Right.
	It's a huge flop.
	I think this is, you know, the government is forcing people into a digital-only mode, which they control.
	Whereas, you know, just get on the interwebs.
	It's not a good thing.
	It's not a good thing, and Finland should fight against this.
	I don't know why they let that happen.
	What difference does it make?
	FM is government-controlled, if you think about it.
	That's my point.
	That's my point.
	There's no improvement.
	No, there's no improvement.
	There's no reason for it.
	No, it's completely ludicrous.
	I don't see the cost savings either that they keep talking about.
	No, I think it'll cost only more and everyone has to buy new receivers.
	Yeah, it's a scam.
	What they do is they want all those frequencies for other things.
	Well, they did that with digital TV and they got away with it.
	Yeah.
	And I remember when they went through the process, they had these little cards.
	You get a free card, you get a discount.
	I mean, there's all these deals.
	You have to buy a little converter to turn your regular broadcasting to digital.
	Bought a couple of them because they were cheap.
	And then everything, it seemed like an improvement.
	I think it is.
	But it's a distinct improvement.
	HD radio is not.
	Right.
	Then I have a report from the Consumer Electronics Show, one report, one report only, that I picked up off of CNET, and I'm very happy with this report because I'm feeling a big payday!
	Hi there, it's Ashley Carman from The Verge, and today we're checking out a new smart home robot named Curry.
	Hey Curry!
	A company called Mayfield Robotics, which is a Bosch startup, designed Curry with personality in mind.
	So the first thing you'll probably notice is Curry's eyes and demeanor.
	Similarly to the Amazon Echo or Google Home, Curry can play music on command over Bluetooth, but there's no voice control just yet.
	The key difference between the Echo and the Google Home and Curry is that Curry is on wheels.
	So yes, in theory, you can have a robot Bluetooth speaker following you around.
	Curry moves around your house relying on a depth sensor to figure out where obstacles are, navigate around them, and make sure it's in the right room.
	One of the ideas behind Curry is that when you're not at home, you can use it kind of like a surveillance robot.
	It has a camera behind its eyes, and you can watch the live feed through its companion app.
	But it technically dies after two hours of constant use, so you probably won't get a complete live feed of the entire day.
	Curry knows when its battery is running low, though, so it will automatically return to its dock so that it's pretty much always charged.
	Honestly, during my demo with Curry, I thought the robot was super cute.
	Its eyes are expressive and it's adorable.
	You can't help but want to play with it.
	But with that said, Curry really didn't live up to its expectations.
	Now, why these people would not want Curry.com is beyond me.
	They want it.
	They need to buy that off of me.
	I think so.
	I think it's worth it.
	What do you think?
	Well, what I think is, first of all, I think that everyone needs to be promoting this.
	That you should sell your domain name to these guys?
	Yes!
	Yes!
	Curry really didn't live up to its expectations.
	There you go.
	I love that.
	Curry really didn't live up to its expectations.
	Yes, that's me.
	Well, that's a little good.
	So, yeah, I think it would be...
	What do you think?
	Domain name.
	I've had it for 28 years, you know that?
	28 years.
	That's beside the point.
	You're smart.
	But when you bought that, you should have bought art.com.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	Stop.
	Oh, no.
	They spell it K-O-U-R-I. Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	Damn it.
	All right, closing out the segment.
	No money for me!
	And the phone should be made out of Bakelite.
	That's right.
	That's your tech news for today.
	And I get no money.
	No money.
	Oh, too bad.
	What do you think it would have been worth?
	I would say...
	I've always said a million dollars.
	That's where...
	No, that's low for that.
	Well, I wouldn't sell it then.
	If it's not a million bucks, I wouldn't sell it.
	No way.
	But I would say, I think, between two and five.
	Two and five million?
	Yeah.
	Dream on.
	No way.
	No way.
	In today's market, I believe that would be the case.
	Well, you are here by my agent.
	If you can sell it, I'll give you 20%.
	20, I tell you.
	25%.
	There you go.
	You sell it for 2 to 5 million.
	If you sell it for 5 million, you get a million bucks.
	I think you should go for it.
	Yeah, well, 5 is a tough one, but it's doable.
	I think that's what it's worth.
	All right.
	Let's wrap this up, Johnny Boy.
	Well, let's wrap it up by hooking up with the report that was buried by the Trump news, the Fort Lauderdale shooter.
	We forgot all about him for some reason.
	Let's play this clip.
	Well, we now know the identities of four of the five people who were shot to death at the airport in Fort Lauderdale on Friday.
	They ranged in age from 57 to 84.
	All were either on their way to or returning from a cruise.
	Five others remain in the hospital.
	The gunman made his first court appearance today.
	He was assigned a public defender and denied bail.
	David Begno is in Fort Lauderdale.
	With a steely stare, Esteban Santiago was escorted into federal court.
	Feet shackled, hands cuffed, and shaking at times, he did not explain his motive and said he only had five to ten dollars in his bank account.
	This video, obtained by TMZ, appears to show Santiago firing randomly at Fort Lauderdale International Airport on Friday.
	Prosecutors say Santiago shot eleven people, killing five, and when he ran out of ammunition, he dropped his weapon and surrendered.
	A law enforcement source tells CBS News Santiago used this 9mm handgun in the shooting.
	It is the same gun the Iraq war veteran had with him when he went to an FBI office in Anchorage, Alaska last November claiming his mind was being controlled by U.S. intelligence.
	He said he was being forced to watch ISIS videos.
	Santiago was committed for four days to be mentally evaluated.
	One month later, he petitioned to get the gun back from Anchorage police.
	Without a judge's order to commit him, police say they had no choice but to return it.
	Karen Loeffler is the U.S. Attorney for the District of Alaska.
	There is a federal law with regard to having a gun by somebody who is mentally ill, but the law requires that the person be, quote, adjudicated mentally ill.
	This is not somebody that would have been prohibited based on the information that they had.
	I think that law enforcement acted within the laws that they had.
	David Weinstein is a former federal prosecutor.
	Was enough done with this guy?
	My gut tells me that they didn't do quite enough.
	They should have dug a little bit deeper to find out exactly what was going on inside his head when he gave them the gun and then when he asked for it back.
	In court today, Santiago said he spent the last few years in Anchorage, Alaska, working as a security guard.
	Scott prosecutors say he confessed to planning this attack and apparently chose Fort Lauderdale at random.
	What?
	Random.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	That's a new piece of information.
	They still won't talk about the Muslim connection, but that's a...
	We'll figure that out.
	Well, we know the top FBI anti-terrorism Muslim guy was on the case, so there's obviously something going on.
	Yeah.
	They haven't really fleshed this out properly, but there you have it.
	All right, everybody.
	Very nice.
	Good show.
	Thank you, John.
	Thank you, all producers from coast to coast, ocean to ocean, sea to shining sea, all across Gitmo Nation.
	Games?
	No, there's nothing.
	It's Thursday.
	There's nothing going on.
	No.
	It's weekend.
	Okay.
	It's a good game.
	Good.
	Good.
	Excellente.
	All right, everybody.
	We will see you at episode 8, 9, or 5.
	That will be on Sunday.
	I will be coming to you from the Netherlands.
	My sister Tiffany is turning 50, so I'm going to do a quick trip out and back to just one show from the lowlands.
	But you never know.
	They're expecting a foot of snow in the Netherlands.
	Could get stuck there.
	Okay.
	Let's hope not.
	Remember us at Dvorak.org slash NA for your support of the financial nature.
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	Coming to you from the Crackpot Condo in the skyscraper here in downtown Austin, the capital of the drone, Star State, FEMA Region 6, on government maps in the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.
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	Adios, mofos!
	You are fake news.
	You are fake news.
	People chilly.
	There's a myth that he was going to come out with what he knows.
	What can he know that the intelligence communities don't know?
	We do know that the intelligence communities don't know.
	We do know that he was going to come out with what he knows.
	This is supposed to be like a celebration, like happy six-month anniversary, Occupy Movement.
	Like, we're having...
	A potluck, and we, like, fed people chili, and we're, like, enjoying each other's company.
	Hey, let's rock against anger.
	I agree with that, with anger, with shock.
	Really?
	Yes, really.
	When you went on Twitter, all these people moaning and groaning about Clinton, they're trolls, all of them.
	Paid, and as we know, trolls are paid.
	But they could be quasi-government trolls, so they could be paid trolls that aren't with the government, but I don't know.
	Espionage implies a, to me at least, a passive.
	Yeah, okay.
	Passive collection.
	When it comes to espionage, we better be careful about them.
	When it comes to you, we better be ready to throw rocks.
	Do you agree with that?
	That's a good metaphor.
	It's a disaster.
	I think what you want to do is you want to back your team in all things.
	First, hear the information.
	Fed people chili.
	In our tapestry, if you will.
	Fed people chili.
	With anger.
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	Science is turning into a clique.
	Well, Michael, you raised great questions, and frankly, welcome to my water.
	Welcome to my water.
	Welcome to my wardrobe.
	Welcome to my old world in which an awful lot of the things...
	Well, at least I want to get a little bit of a douche.
	Well, Michael, you raise great questions and frankly, welcome to my world of...
	Wardrobe.
	Would you like to try my bow?
	My wardrobe.
	Which an awful lot of the things we know can't be shared.
	I think he wanted to say my new world order, but he came out.
	Wardrobe?
	Wardrobe.
	Welcome to my wardrobe.
	Welcome to my old world, in which an awful lot of the things...
	Well, I want to hear the whole thing.
	What a douche.
	Welcome to my water.
	Curry really didn't live up to its expectations.
	Adios, mofo.
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