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	I've seen a smart stove at Best Buy.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	It's Saturday, October 23rd, 2016, and this is your award-winning Get Bonation Media Assassination, Episode 871.
	This is No Agenda.
	Speed reading WikiLeaks, so you don't have to.
	And broadcasting live from the capital of the Drone Star State here in Austin, Tejas, FEMA Region 6, 8 on the morning, everybody.
	I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley where the jackhammer's outside, they're fixing the streets.
	It's driving me nuts.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	It's crackpot and buzzkill in the morning.
	Wait a minute.
	What?
	What does Confucius say today?
	He says jackhammers make noise.
	Oh, now, okay.
	Get back to the Confucius.
	I just wanted to see what people thought if I didn't open it because somebody sent me a nasty note.
	Saying, listen to Adam.
	It came in as an email from some guy who never donates.
	Listen to Adam.
	Confucius stinks.
	That's how my friends and my fans speak.
	Yes, that's exactly the tone.
	Yes, that's what he said.
	They stink.
	Well, let me confess.
	The guy was Irish.
	The guy was Irish.
	My Confucius say writer is Irish.
	Let me just say, I missed it.
	How's that?
	Aha!
	Yes, indeed.
	I like the fact with a whopper on that.
	So, a small problem this morning.
	It doesn't happen often, but it does happen from time to time.
	Christina is here.
	Oh, this is what caused this problem.
	That's where it all starts.
	The pod daughter is here.
	Because now what's happened is you're out of sync.
	Well, let me tell you what's happened, and then you can, you know, analyze me afterwards.
	Well, I can analyze it before or after.
	It doesn't make any difference.
	But go on.
	So I'm very proud of Christina.
	She scammed.
	She pulled off a great scam.
	A scam.
	You're proud of your daughter because she's a scam artist.
	Yeah, I am.
	Because, you know, she loves visiting her daddy-o, but, you know, because of cost, we can only do this a couple times a year.
	So some TV show was kind of like a, I think it's called At Home with the Stars or something of this ilk.
	She said, all right, Dad, I've got it all worked out.
	I'm going to come to you.
	They're going to pay for my trip.
	They're going to pay her money.
	They paid her a good fee.
	And so they interviewed us.
	So how is working for a living, which is what you're describing, a scam in any way?
	Well, she put together a good deal.
	Let's put it that way.
	She did a good deal.
	Okay, that's different.
	I just call that a cool scam.
	But it was pretty funny, because they were interviewing us both, and then I said, well, we should do something interesting with this.
	My apartment was just one of the least interesting things, and in fact, it looks nothing like any other star apartment you might have seen.
	You should have rented some art.
	No, but instead I said, yeah, so why don't we go shooting?
	Why don't we go to the shooting range?
	Oh, man.
	That Dutch, man.
	It was so funny.
	And Christina has a pretty good shot, too.
	So we had the AR-15.
	We had the judge.
	And I put the target at...
	Because, you know, it's TV, so I know how this will look.
	I put the target at, like, three yards.
	Which is, you know, but they were filming me from behind, so it may not look that close.
	And I put in the shotgun shells into the judge, like, blew the whole target with a huge hole in it.
	Like, that's how we roll in Texas.
	And then here's what the interviewer kept saying.
	So, this obsession you have with guns is, oh, I don't have an obsession with guns.
	I've never had any guns, but we're here in Texas and you have the right to defend yourself.
	I prefer to do that with this and I like to go and make sure I know how to use them.
	Well, then you're a Republican.
	I said, no, what are you talking about?
	Well, we all know Republicans love guns and Democrats hate them.
	Okay.
	And this just kept coming back.
	So are you voting Donald Trump?
	Are you a Republican?
	What does it have to do with anything?
	Well, you like guns.
	Wow.
	You know, you guys really got problems there in Europe.
	I'm pretty sure it's not just Republicans who have guns.
	It was odd.
	But, you know, I'm sure the Dutch will be appropriately horrified.
	That's pathetic.
	It really is.
	I mean, it's just massively pathetic.
	Well, it's mind control.
	They really don't understand, do not understand how the Second Amendment works.
	I don't expect them to.
	Anyway, so Christina's here...
	That's beside the point.
	The point is that they're parroting some sort of memes and some stereotypes, some horrible stereotypes.
	And by the way, the liberal part of the world is supposed to be against stereotyping.
	But that sounds like it was all stereotyping.
	All of it.
	Yes, correct.
	And it's abhorrent.
	It's deplorable, almost.
	Deplorable, yeah.
	And actually, I was going to invite Sir Gene to come along, because he has all the fun toys.
	But, you know, they got reds, the indoor range.
	I'm like, oh, okay.
	We'll just go.
	We'll just do three shots.
	Boom, boom, boom.
	I'll be done.
	Oh, and also, I made the interviewer, who of course never held a gun, I made him shoot a Glock 17.
	Yeah?
	It's just so funny to see someone who despises the whole idea of holding it like...
	I hope you only had one shell in the thing.
	No, I know he emptied the magazine.
	Oh, okay.
	People freak out and they start shooting all over the place.
	Nah, that was not...
	I was ready to like slam this guy forward if anything dumb happened.
	But he got through it.
	Anyway, so Christina's here.
	And last night, I went until 2 a.m.
	I was like, I'm just going to get all my clips done so I can get up at 8.
	And then, you know, leisurely get everything together.
	And so we go out, we get a coffee, we come back.
	Now it's nine.
	And I'm like, okay, I got two hours, I'm good to go.
	And then my Mac says, oh, you know, you're running out of space.
	And this has been a recurring theme.
	It's like, you know what?
	I'm just going to delete everything in downloads.
	And delete empty trash.
	Like, okay, let me record these last two or three clips I got.
	I said, hey, wait a minute.
	Where'd all my clips go?
	Yeah, they were in downloads.
	So, I deleted them all and had to reconstruct and re-record as many as possible.
	Which, of course, means...
	So, the time-saving thing of doing things in advance, which, by the way, I recommend against, actually cost you more time.
	Absolutely.
	I got screwed.
	I got screwed.
	And of course, the ones that I'm missing, you know those are the clips of the day.
	That's the thing that pisses me off the most.
	I gave you a clip of the day already.
	I'm not good.
	No, thank you.
	Well, I lost the clip.
	This clip's not going to go away because it's going to keep coming up on Russia today because nobody else seems to want to discuss this.
	But they don't know who it is, American or possibly Allied or even maybe Iraqis.
	Outside of Kirkuk or whatever it is, there was like 50 miles.
	Kirkuk.
	Kirkuk.
	50 miles from there, there was a funeral that was bombed, killing a bunch of women, mostly women, and a bunch of kids, and now everyone's talking about it being a war crime.
	Yes.
	Because it had nothing to do with anything.
	It wasn't listed as an area where there was even anybody there to be blown up.
	And the Russia Today guys have been harping on this, and every headline news says, There's not too much information available on it, but the one thing they say is that They cannot find anybody in the mainstream media in the United States even mentioning this event because we're promoting war crimes against the Russians and Syrians over in the other country.
	In fact, I have a clip from the United Nations, if you want to hear it briefly, this is from Euronews, where something that we have debunked, not just us, but has been debunked multiple times, came up with those exact same words, John, war crime.
	Listen to this.
	Investigators have said Syrian government forces were behind a third chemical weapons attack last year.
	In a report to the UN Security Council, military helicopters are said to have dropped barrel bombs containing chlorine gas in Syria's northwest province of Idlib in March 2015.
	The toxic chemical can kill by burning the victims' lungs, drowning them in the resulting body fluids.
	The finding sets the stage for a showdown between Russia and Western UN Council members over how to respond.
	In addition to the bombing in Idlib, an earlier report also accused Bashar al-Assad's forces of two other chemical weapons attacks.
	The report follows the UN Human Rights Chief's condemnation over the crisis in Aleppo.
	Describing the city as a slaughterhouse, Zaid Arad al-Hussein said the siege and bombing of eastern districts constituted crimes of historic proportions.
	Now, we've already been through this thing.
	This was not barrel bombs from helicopters.
	And why would they put the gas in the barrel bomb?
	It makes no sense.
	The whole thing makes no sense.
	I think I've thought about this.
	Actually, I got the report.
	The report was from end of August.
	I marked up a couple things because it was filled with, you know, very circumstantial evidence.
	And, of course, that's also one of the things I deleted, so I'll get that back on Thursday.
	I'll fill that up because the report was actually fun to read from.
	Well, here's the way I'm seeing it.
	There was a big kerfuffle over the red line in the sand or whatever it was at Obama.
	Then the phony baloney gas attack took place, which was debunked over and over again by sources all around the world.
	These are not the right missiles.
	It was too far away from any place where they had this gas.
	It was the wrong gas attack.
	And everything in between.
	But that meme is stuck around because that's the only time Obama actually made some sort of, well, we're going to attack if this happens.
	Yeah, we're going to kick your ass.
	Exactly.
	So I think they keep revisiting the same idea.
	So we can have an excuse.
	Well, I was being nice the last time, and so the line in the sand is still there.
	We can't take it anymore.
	This gas is going to continue.
	We have to bomb Assad directly.
	So...
	So, so, so.
	I keep saying so, but this seems to me to be what's going on.
	And that's why the Western media...
	I had a clip from PBS, which I actually still have, where I thought they were going to go into it because this is kind of the PBS Weekend Middle East update.
	And I thought they were going to...
	The very last...
	And then it's just...
	Ah, here it is.
	They're going to talk about this bombing of the funeral.
	And no.
	Oh, okay.
	It's just nobody has talked about it.
	Ash Carter arrived in Baghdad today to assess the progress of the Iraqi government offensive to retake Mosul from Islamic State militants.
	Carter spoke with Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi and U.S. commanders, but al-Abadi turned down Carter's request to let coalition partner Turkey take part in We're good
	to go.
	Iraqi officials say their troops have repelled ISIS militants who killed at least 80 people in an attack yesterday to retaliate for the Mosul offensive.
	Airstrikes by Russian or Syrian warplanes on the divided city of Aleppo in northern Syria resumed today after only a two-day pause in fighting.
	I thought that's when they were going to go into this.
	Murder of this war crime, a bomb, and a funeral.
	And no, this is absolutely astonishing.
	And the Russian TV guys, you can watch anybody who watches any version of headline news, and this leads the news, is why has this been censored?
	Well, there's a lot.
	I got a lot of intelligence stuff in this morning, which I need to talk about.
	And I have pictures here.
	I should probably put those in the show notes.
	In Mosul, right?
	Right.
	In Mosul, U.S. troops on the front line.
	It's the 101st Airborne.
	101st Airborne.
	And they're there.
	We can't have that be known.
	And we also now know from the latest WikiLeaks, there is just a genius email from HROD17 to John Podesta.
	There may have been some classified intelligence in this.
	It's four paragraphs, really long paragraphs, explaining exactly what we're doing, exactly who we're giving weapons to, what kind of weapons, why we decided to give heavy artillery to the Kurds, the KRG, despite not doing that previously.
	It's a treasure trove to understand what they're thinking.
	And we're just all over there.
	And we're not train and assist.
	We're front line.
	I got pictures here.
	It's unbelievable.
	So we can't be talking about...
	By the way, you want to hear the Intel community buzz today?
	What?
	That there is some email or some document, I don't know if it's a WikiLeaks or not, that is without a doubt proof, and I'm just reading verbatim, that the emails on her server and her BlackBerry are the direct reason for Ambassador Chris Stevens' death.
	This is the intelligence community who we have lots of people in.
	And along with that goes really a horrible, horrible WikiLeaks email where Hillary Clinton, you're going to love this, I'm going to bring it up, it's email ID 9610 from HDR22 in this case, but that's Hillary, to Mills and Newland and Sullivan and Cheryl told me the Libyans confirmed his death.
	Should we announce tonight or wait until morning?
	But here's the kicker.
	Subject line was Chris Smith.
	So they didn't even, and the whole email chain, they talk about Chris Smith instead of Chris Stevens.
	Now there was a Sean Smith who was killed, but Hillary knows, remember her best friend in the universe, Chris Stevens, her friend, Ambassador Chris Stevens, who she in the email now calls Chris Smith?
	Huh.
	And then Newland doesn't correct her on it, she doesn't know.
	No one corrects her.
	You mean Stevens?
	No.
	So, besides this Dainville email, which is really disrespectful, I mean, you can make a mistake, but shouldn't someone just on that chain say, oh, I'm sorry, it's not Smith, it's Steve.
	Maybe it was just a nickname like we do.
	Then they would have had gay dude or something like we do.
	It would be funny.
	No, this is not funny.
	It's just dumb.
	So I'm expecting something to happen, I guess, based on what Julian Assange did yesterday at the embassy.
	Man, this guy is boring.
	He is boring.
	It's unbelievable how boring he is.
	And he's really never got anything.
	Yeah, it's a shame he is boring.
	If he was any less boring, they'd have shot him.
	If he was actually interesting, I think he'd be tolerated a little more if you're boring.
	There was a pretty funny interview.
	I got two part clips regarding Assange.
	So this is, what's this guy?
	I think his name is Hemmer or something.
	It may be explained in the opening.
	He's on Fox.
	He's a consultant.
	He's worked for the Clinton campaign.
	Now, we all know that, you know, when someone brings up a WikiLeaks email, what do we do?
	How do we answer that?
	That they're not confirmed?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They're phased.
	Stolen.
	Stolen by the Russians.
	Yes, also by the Russians.
	Now, you can do that.
	Like, you know, Donna Brazile fell apart doing it, but she still kind of kept her cool.
	This guy, he just, it's unbelievable how he's protesting the validity, because his emails are also among them.
	And it's just beautiful to hear how people will do anything to lie.
	New email leaks putting her at the center of a negotiation for $12 million from the king of Morocco.
	David, good friend, former Deputy Secretary to President Bill Clinton and a Hillary Clinton supporter.
	David, how are you?
	Good morning to you.
	I don't know who wins in 18 days, but the Clintons can raise a lot of money.
	Defend this.
	Well, I've had my emails to John Podesta posted on WikiLeaks, and I've noticed some discrepancies myself.
	I'm pursuing the right channels to deal with it.
	But I think we have to talk first and foremost about the source of all these emails.
	At least he stops them.
	I thought that was good.
	So you're saying that you've got emails that are now published?
	I don't believe so, and I'm pursuing those.
	I can't talk about it here on Fox, but I'm pursuing the appropriate channels.
	This is a new one, John.
	We've got to remember this.
	I'm pursuing appropriate channels.
	That's all you've got to say.
	Well, this is the extension of I can't talk about it because it's a legal thing going on.
	Yeah, it's the Donald Trump defense.
	I'm under audit.
	I can't do that.
	Yeah, I'm being audited, so I can't show you this.
	Yeah, same thing.
	Well, but no, but it's absolutely related to this.
	No, no, let's go ahead and get this.
	Let's get to the chart.
	Yes, Bill, we have to talk about the source of the emails.
	This has not been denied.
	Hillary Clinton negotiated.
	Ahuma Abedin is on the emails talking about the exchange.
	Ultimately, she did not attend, but her husband and daughter did.
	Right.
	So, as I say, Vladimir Putin's email dump is not exactly where I would go for my information.
	Thank you, Mother Russia.
	Thank you, Mother Russia.
	I wouldn't go to Vladimir Putin for an email dump.
	So, I thought that was pretty good.
	I wonder if you've never seen this guy before.
	He's an incompetent on the media.
	Wait until you hear the second part of this, which is...
	I cut out a whole bunch in the middle and then went to the end.
	And it just got better.
	And this guy, he went off the...
	He just went off the deep end, and he's so frustrated about really not, you know, just lying, I guess.
	He just freaks out.
	How do you allow Russian companies to get the contracts for the uranium deposits all over the world?
	Oh, now you don't like Russia.
	You like them when they give Donald Trump documents, but now you don't like Russia?
	Subtle, though, what he says there in the background.
	You like it when they give Donald Trump documents.
	Hmm.
	That's interesting.
	That's probably exactly how they feel about it.
	Giving our shit to them, man.
	It's not cool, Vlad.
	You like them when they give Donald Trump documents, but now you don't like Russia?
	I don't like the fact that we allow these Russian companies with direct ties of Vladimir Putin to get access to the uranium deposits overseas and some in this country as well.
	I can't believe what I'm hearing.
	You love Russia when they give you emails, and now you say you hate Russia when they get contracts.
	Get it straight, Bill!
	You love Russia when they give you emails.
	This is the beginning of the end for this guy.
	I'm not saying anything about Russia.
	I'm saying it's the fact that the Clinton Foundation helped negotiate these deals.
	While she was Secretary of State, these companies in Russia were given the access to the uranium mines.
	My question for you, David, is this.
	Show me the connection.
	Is that okay?
	I'm going to say this again, Bill, until I'm blue in the face.
	If you can show me that an official action was taken in exchange for a contribution...
	Look, maybe this is something you'll understand.
	Donald Trump in a business deal...
	I'm sorry, not condescending at all.
	Donald Trump in a business deal would say, make a contribution to my charity as a part of the business deal.
	Do you not want to answer the question?
	I just did, Bill.
	Show me the official action.
	You can't.
	You can't.
	And you know what, Bill?
	This guy dwells.
	Oh yeah, this is like a high school lunch table.
	Now he's going to do the worst possible thing.
	You can't.
	And you know what, Bill?
	You can try to help Donald Trump all you want in this campaign.
	This is not about Trump.
	That's exactly what you're doing.
	David, this is about...
	No, it's exactly what you're doing, Bill.
	I want you to say you'd like to put your thumb on the scale for Donald Trump.
	You've got to say!
	You've got to admit it!
	Admit it!
	You're shilling for Trump!
	Admit it!
	He's going to lose anyway, but you might as well say it.
	Are you finished?
	Yeah, let's hear it, Bill.
	This is about America.
	America.
	Oh, now you...
	Okay, how about the Russians spying on our political process?
	Say on the air, Bill, that you don't like Russia trying to interfere with our elections.
	Say it!
	But you don't have the proof that Russia's doing this.
	Yes, I do!
	Seventeen CIA... Seventeen...
	I love this one.
	Seventeen CIA... Intelligence agencies.
	You know, the thing that Hillary said.
	The agencies have said.
	David?
	Are they lying?
	Do you know more than they do?
	Bill, do you know more than the National Security Apparatus knows?
	David, thanks for coming on.
	It may be true, ultimately, that Russia is responsible for this, but we don't have the fingerprint evidence that that's the case.
	Now wait for the kicker.
	So you're smarter than the National Security Agency.
	I did not say that.
	Please don't put words into my mouth.
	Well, then, are they right or are they wrong, Bill?
	From Washington.
	We will find out about that in time.
	Yeah, so we'll find out about it at the voting booth too, Bill.
	Thank you, David.
	Enjoy your weekend.
	What was that at the end?
	That was that guy.
	Did you hear that?
	It sounded like a woman.
	No, he goes...
	He got beat down by this Fox guy.
	Have a great weekend.
	I think he felt that he held his own.
	He just throws every one of these talking points out.
	You're smarter than they are is one of them.
	There's a bunch of them and he uses them all as best he can.
	That just sums it all up.
	Sounds like a woman to me.
	It was him.
	I know.
	Isn't that beautiful?
	It's pathetic.
	Yeah, well, there's a lot of that going on.
	Let me see.
	Well, I'm going to hit you with this.
	One of the things that we've asserted on this show, and you have bought into really big, and you maintain, and we see this more often, that there are two Obamas.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Well, you have to have, all these guys have to have a duplicate.
	It finally came out that George Bush had a duplicate.
	Was that a factual report or something?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think it was a fact that they verified it.
	Did Snopes verify?
	I don't know about, I don't know.
	Maybe not.
	Whatever the case, and I said that word.
	You said it, man, you did.
	It seems like a smart thing to do.
	Yeah.
	Or to do.
	It's a smart thing to do.
	Yeah, we've often called it and said, well, that's probably the other Obama.
	And let's remember that during his first inauguration and his second inauguration, there were two inaugurations.
	Yeah.
	Both second ones done privately.
	And our assertion could be that that was perhaps the other Obama who was also sworn in to be able to do stuff.
	To do presidential actions.
	Now, if we wanted to...
	And, and, and...
	Let's bring something into this conversation that I haven't brought in before based on my to Obama theory.
	There's a lot...
	Over the last, I'd say, oh, at least the last since 2000 or maybe before then, there's been a lot of secret laws.
	Oh.
	This country's filled with secret laws.
	I mean...
	There's just a lot of secret laws that are being passed, and I believe there may be some sort of a law that was passed that allows for the second Obama to be around here and there.
	Oh, and where do these secret laws show up?
	I mean, they have to be documented somewhere.
	Not that I know of.
	It's like that court that they use for...
	FISA court?
	FISA court.
	And the rules are secret.
	You don't know anything about this court.
	Right.
	No, of course we don't.
	You're not allowed to.
	No.
	So there could be...
	Well, that's not necessarily a rule, but somewhere there's a court, perhaps, who makes decisions that are secret.
	Wouldn't surprise me.
	I think there's been discussions about this.
	Okay.
	I mean, those security letters.
	Yeah, national security letters, yeah.
	Those things are kind of creepy.
	Okay, well, we don't have proof of it, but I obviously am willing to believe.
	But who would know the president very well?
	Not better than anyone, but very well.
	I think his mother-in-law is going to get the big pension for hanging out and shutting her up with a big pension.
	Apparently, according to Snopes, that's false.
	She actually is getting the pension.
	I don't know.
	What's false then?
	That story may not be true.
	What story?
	The $160,000 retirement that came from a source that was not reliable, I've now found out.
	Okay, so it's not...
	But she is getting a retirement?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	But anyway, let's not digress.
	It could be 159, the way Snopes operates.
	That could be true.
	No, I think that his half-brother would at least know a little bit about him.
	Ah!
	Right?
	The guy that Trump brought into the debate for some unknown reason.
	Oh, well, the reason is known.
	Although he doesn't say it, everything he says points to Bobama's.
	He showed up on Sean Hannity, of course.
	Who else are you going to use?
	I cut out the dumb Hannity bits, and here we go.
	And joining us now is the president, President Obama's half-brother, Malik Obama.
	How are you, sir?
	It's an honor to meet you.
	Likewise.
	You doing okay?
	I'm doing pretty good.
	Tell me about your relationship with your brother.
	How is it?
	I used to be good, but I think since he's become the president, you know, He's changed.
	Why?
	I can't reach him.
	He doesn't even talk to you?
	Well, we talk, but it's hard.
	You know, I can't reach him.
	You can't ever...
	Have you been to the White House?
	I've been there, yes.
	How many times?
	Almost every year.
	Once a year?
	What, do you get invited to a Christmas party?
	I have to fight to get in.
	You have to fight to get in?
	He doesn't invite his brother?
	He's my brother, so, you know...
	He once said, we gotta be our brother's keeper, didn't he?
	I know.
	You know...
	You disappointed in him?
	I am.
	I am.
	If I'm the president, my brother gets to come whenever he wants.
	He has a free pass.
	That's just the way family is.
	Well, I know John F. Kennedy, he had Robert Kennedy right there.
	You're hurt.
	Just disappointed.
	You know, I would have thought that it would have been different.
	Your brother will never talk to me.
	He actually talked about me a lot when he was running for office and even said he wanted to send some guy to beat me up, tear me up.
	Well, before he was running for office, he was everybody's friend.
	You think the office has changed him?
	That's changed him.
	I think he's been sucked into that matrix.
	You think so?
	I think so.
	What makes you think that?
	He was a different guy.
	What was different about him?
	He was humble and he would listen.
	There's a soft side of him.
	But now, you know, he's just too formal and stiff.
	Even when you're alone?
	Even when we're alone.
	There's not too much that we can talk about that is really hard, you know, brother to brother.
	It's too formal.
	You know, it's like he's busy.
	He's maybe he's got this line of people, all these people, you know, want to see him.
	So it would have been nice if, let's say, maybe I could go and have dinner with him, you know, and then.
	So when you do see him, how long are you talking to him for?
	Maybe 15 minutes.
	That's it.
	20 minutes.
	That's got to be disappointing.
	This makes total sense to me.
	I don't know.
	Like, this is a different guy.
	This guy's been sucked into the Matrix.
	It's possible.
	The other Obama's tied up and trying to ride himself out of a bunch of ropes.
	Don't you think it's totally possible that the other Obama is sitting there and is like, Mr.
	President, we have the other Obama's brother here.
	He's like, oh, that guy.
	Alright, bring him in.
	After 15 minutes, get me out of it.
	Yeah.
	Call myself...
	I'm just saying.
	His own half-brother is like, I don't know this guy.
	He's a completely different guy.
	I don't know him.
	He got sucked into the Matrix.
	He's stiff.
	He's everybody's best friend.
	Yeah, fabulous.
	I like it.
	Well, since he is kind of a funny, Obama can tell jokes, he can relax, he seems to be funny, he could be everybody's best friend.
	I think that Obama, if we're going to go with the two Obama theory, The real Obama, who's this guy's brother, not the guy that's all plastic surgeon to look like Obama.
	He doesn't want to see his brother because he knows his brother's boring.
	Or, you know, it's, oh, God, you know, this guy shoes up all my time.
	I don't have time for this bull crap.
	You take care of him.
	He gives it to the other Obama, the stiff one.
	You deal with him.
	The stiff one.
	He says, I don't know this guy.
	He's stiff.
	Yeah, of course not, because it's the other guy.
	And he has no qualms about ending the conversation, because he doesn't know this character from Adam.
	Yeah.
	This is confirming the theory.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	Anyway, so...
	Where do we go from there?
	Well, we can go many ways.
	I wanted to say...
	Actually, I'll play two clips, and I want to talk about it.
	We had the big Al Smith dinner.
	Oh, we don't, okay.
	You know, I purposely avoided that.
	I watched a couple clips.
	Well, hold on, hold on.
	Let me finish what I'm going to say.
	No, let me finish.
	No, I started the topic.
	Let me finish.
	No, I gotta say something.
	Okay, age before beauty.
	Age before beauty, please.
	You go ahead, go ahead.
	I found...
	I found...
	I watched the entire Al Smith dinner.
	Clinton spoke for about 18 minutes.
	Trump for about 15 minutes.
	I watched both in entirety.
	And I decided we should not play any clips from this.
	Because what the mainstream media has done...
	I just have two clips of them about it.
	Not even the clips themselves of what took place.
	I mean, it is so skewed, the way they picked clips and how they talked about the boos, etc., when you see both of them in context.
	They were both pretty good and pretty funny.
	And not at all how they were discussed.
	So for us to pull out clips would be just as bad because you really have to see them.
	Well, that's great because I got no clips.
	I don't have any clips either.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You have to watch them in their entirety.
	No clips.
	In full context.
	You've got to watch it in full context.
	Trump is a great comedian.
	Except the last five minutes, I think he was still telling jokes.
	But they just sucked.
	You know, it can happen.
	You can hit a nerve somehow, and then the next three jokes are just not going to work because they're meant to build on the success of the previous.
	Yeah.
	And that's where Hillary got booed, too.
	And she was mean as well.
	In fact, the Hillary speech is probably more entertaining to watch.
	And I also think that Trump, in his jokes that he made...
	He was not going to sell out to the establishment and say, oh, I'm just going to be funny and lighthearted and self-deprecating the whole time.
	No, he also said, hey, screw it, this woman's no good.
	But here's what NBC was saying about what they saw.
	And before we play that clip, I want to mention one thing.
	Everybody has to realize that both of these comedy routines were professionally written by comics.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	And both of them admitted that, actually, during their speeches.
	If we weren't sad before, I mean, we can be officially depressed.
	Even a charity dinner to benefit Catholics, Catholic charities, it devolves a little bit.
	And I talked to one senior Trump advisor who said, I said, why did he bomb so badly?
	Why did he bomb?
	He did not bomb, I'm telling you.
	He didn't bomb.
	And why don't you just mention the senior Trump advisor by name, lady?
	I said, why did he bomb so badly?
	He said, well, it was bad, but there are not a lot of funny people at Trump Tower.
	The delivery, I think, from both of them, it had a mean edge to it.
	I think it was worse with Trump.
	He got booed.
	He got booed.
	And not only did he get booed, but in a room where a lot of what you consider his crowd was.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, you got a lot of sort of wealthy people who might be Republicans traditionally.
	He actually killed it.
	At the end, eh, his jokes fell flat, his timing was off, and it didn't work out.
	They were just as mean as the other ones.
	And, of course, he had some really funny self-deprecating ones.
	But, again, it all has to be heard in context.
	CNN, of course, took it one step further.
	You know, there's such a risk here, sounding partisan.
	But I must tell you, there was a real difference between the two.
	Donald Trump was very much himself, but he didn't seem to know the difference between being lighthearted and heavy-handed.
	And, you know, this is supposed to be a lighthearted kind of occasion.
	And he had several jokes that were sort of Pretty tough jokes about her, you know, basically calling her corrupt, that the emails show she pretends to have liked the Catholic Church and that sort of thing.
	He was, I thought, particularly good when he talked about Melania.
	That was funny and humorous in the right spirit.
	But I think there was a reason that the Booths were there, and that was that he went over the line on several occasions.
	She was a much more traditional, I know people don't necessarily like tradition anymore, she was much more the traditional kind of speaker.
	At the Gridiron Club in Washington, their dinner, they say, you should singe but never burn.
	And her jokes had much more of the singeing quality.
	I think Donald Trump missed the self-deprecating part.
	He's been there.
	Maybe his joke writers haven't been there.
	But I think it was sort of uncomfortable to me just watching it.
	I don't know how you guys feel, but I felt...
	Trump couldn't get away from the nastiness about her, didn't joke about himself very much.
	I used to like Gloria Borger over at CNN, but not after I heard that.
	He had a whole, his first seven minutes was self-deprecating.
	These people are full of shit and lying, and I doubt they even saw it.
	They only saw the clips themselves.
	Well, they may or may not have seen it, but they're always going, this group, They're always going to see what they want to see.
	Yeah, of course.
	You're hearing bias.
	Both of those 15-18 minute clips are in the show notes.
	I encourage you to watch them because it's entertaining.
	Also from Hillary Clinton, who was also mean.
	It was entertaining and pretty darn good.
	But, to be honest, the best part about that dinner...
	Maria Bartiromo in every single shot with her boobs hanging out and she had those long sleeve gloves up into her elbow and she had earrings that were dangling onto her shoulders.
	I could not stop watching.
	She's fantastic.
	That's what a lot of people in the network commenting on her.
	That was fantastic.
	Go Maria!
	And then the contrast...
	She's got to get a better gig.
	She used to be top dog moving her way up.
	She's a second stringer.
	Yeah, well, here she is, the second stringer on Fox Business News.
	Now, we know the president did a big thing about Obamacare.
	I had a couple of clips from that.
	Those are gone.
	But he had a big thing about Obamacare.
	And, of course, we already identified that Zeke Emanuel, one of the architects of Obamacare, is out on the circuit now.
	Doing very poorly, trying to explain what's going on with Obamacare.
	So here's Maria, and now she's in her money-honey spot on Fox Business, grilling Zeke Emanuel about Obamacare.
	You already know the guy's going to fall apart, but it's just beautiful.
	And look, I agree.
	The fact of the matter is, we cannot be...
	Did he just do a double whammy?
	And look, I agree.
	The fact of the matter.
	And look, I agree.
	The fact of the matter is...
	That's perfect.
	That's how you just start everything.
	That's the best way.
	And look, I agree.
	The fact of the matter is, we cannot be too vigilant on health care costs.
	We constantly have to do things to bring them down.
	And the fact is, Obamacare has actually allowed Medicare to do a lot of innovative things to keep health care costs under control.
	Introducing new payment models to move away from fee-for-service.
	That is going to be the key method for keeping health care costs under control.
	I'm getting tweets as you're speaking, and one is just coming in.
	Public option, always the goal.
	Force rates up.
	We cannot afford it.
	I pay $11,000 a year with $15,000 deductible.
	Fewer doctors in Florida take Obamacare.
	What do you say to that?
	How come fewer and fewer doctors are even accepting Obamacare?
	I mean, look what happened with UnitedHealth.
	Look what happened with these insurance companies, Aetna.
	They are bowing out.
	They're losing a billion dollars on the plan.
	Well, first of all, when you go into a new market, every business expects to lose some money at the start.
	Hold on.
	That's bullcrap.
	That's total bullcrap.
	It's some money, a billion dollars.
	Everybody expects to lose some money.
	That's how business works.
	I don't think this guy's ever been in business.
	At all?
	No, that's exactly not how this works.
	So that's bullshit.
	That's the first point.
	The second point is that the business became a lot more uncertain because of Republicans, in particular, Marco Rubio, eliminating some of the risk corridors and the protections for the insurance company.
	I love how he, instead of saying...
	Marco Rubio made it impossible for the government to compensate those sum losses that every business has, because that's what he's saying.
	Look, everybody, every business has some sum losses, and because we couldn't compensate those sum losses with government money, i.e.
	taxpayer money, it sucks.
	Republicans!
	...when they went into the new market.
	Those risk corridors, those protections, are exactly the ones that George Bush put in under Part D, the drug benefit.
	Go, Maria!
	Are you blaming the Republicans for the Affordable Care Act now, Zeke?
	Not for the Affordable Care Act, but for taking away some of the protections that made it work better.
	Yes, it is the Republicans' fault for taking away those risk corridors.
	That sounds very creative to me.
	That sounds very creative to me.
	No, it's just a fact.
	It's not a fact.
	Look, we're speaking to this.
	Yeah, go, Maria.
	This is all the time.
	They're blaming the Affordable Care Act on the fact that they can't hire employees.
	They can't afford it.
	They're going bankrupt.
	You've seen all the major insurance companies say, I'm not going to be in the program anymore.
	First of all, that's not true.
	It's not all the major insurance companies.
	And second of all...
	UnitedHealth and Humana.
	What's left?
	Blue Cross?
	What else is there?
	Kaiser.
	Okay.
	Second of all, it also is easy to blame Obamacare for business decisions they want to make.
	That is a very easy thing to do because Obamacare, as you know, is not popular despite the fact that it's done so much good for the country.
	It's been bad PR, but not bad on the substance.
	And it's easy for insurance companies to blame someone else than for their own business decisions.
	I thought that was the whole point.
	We are tied into paying, and they're tied into insuring.
	Except, no, they are not tied in.
	This thing's a disaster.
	Yeah?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And it's going to be difficult to untangle it.
	You mean repeal and replace?
	Yeah.
	Well, then I can be able to replace, that's for sure.
	They probably won't be able to repeal.
	Ah, really.
	Yeah, so there's just a lot, running a lot of interference everywhere, that's for sure.
	Yeah, I have to say.
	All right, Uless, you want to talk about the hack?
	Which one?
	Well, there's, I guess...
	Oh, you mean the DDoS?
	You mean the distributed denial of service attack?
	Yeah.
	Oh, because you said hack.
	Okay.
	So, yes.
	Okay.
	I call it a hack.
	All right.
	All right.
	Yes?
	Well, so here, we could do it as tech news.
	No.
	I don't want to hear the jingle.
	No, me neither.
	Let's play First Hack Reports from ABC. Kansas, Alex, thank you.
	And the other breaking headline this Friday night, a major attack on the Internet.
	The newest attack just a short time ago affecting Americans coast to coast tonight.
	The FBI and Homeland Security taking this very seriously.
	Sites like Netflix, Amazon, eBay, all affected.
	And look at this map tonight.
	The areas in deep red there are the worst affected.
	Several waves of malicious attacks tonight.
	Yeah, hold on.
	How come they don't have any cyber sounds when they show the map?
	What's going on?
	Is this ABC? Yeah.
	They should have cyber sounds when they do that.
	I don't know if...
	I think this came in late as a late story, so I don't think they got to produce it well so they couldn't make the noises.
	It's okay.
	I'll provide it for them.
	I'll help out.
	No problem.
	Several waves of malicious attacks today in ABC's David Curley tonight from the FBI. Twitter, Spotify, eBay, among the hundreds of popular sites affected by this attack...
	All trying to recover tonight.
	Early this morning, the attack started, taking down sites, including Netflix, with its popular shows like Orange is the New Black and Stranger Things.
	It was the East Coast host of these sites, Dine Inc.
	in New Hampshire, which was hit.
	It's called a denial-of-service attack when devices are used as bots to overwhelm a site with queries.
	This, just the most recent attack.
	According to the U.S. intelligence, email hacks were made by the Russian government.
	The White House says it's too early to know who's responsible for today's attack, which it called malicious activity.
	A lot of folks joking, David.
	What will they do this weekend about Netflix?
	How will they shop this weekend?
	But there are real concerns tonight about this being a new kind of attack we're dealing with.
	A new kind of attack.
	The company called it extremely sophisticated and complex.
	And just two weeks ago, David, the first documented account of a bot using surveillance cameras in an attack.
	These are called the Internet of Things.
	Your printers or your faxes hooked up to the Internet.
	They're not secure.
	Someone's figured out how to use them in an attack, and they may have used it in this one.
	David Corley live at the FBI for us.
	David, thank you.
	Yes, thank you.
	Jeez.
	I think you can kill that sound effect.
	Well, first of all, really poor report.
	Technically bad.
	It's very bad.
	If you want to hear bad, we've got to go to the KTVU local news, part one, and then they try to explain this.
	They go way off the rails on this one.
	Cast and Netflix.
	Some web browsers at Campbell's Orchard Valley Coffee noticed either extremely slow service to those sites or no service at all.
	Has this been happening just today or since yesterday?
	Today.
	Yeah, I was trying to get to some other site there was a link to, and I thought it was odd that it couldn't be reached.
	White House officials say the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring the situation.
	The rules of the road when it comes to cybersecurity.
	What?
	The rules of the road?
	Listen to this guy and tell me what he's saying.
	The rules of the road when it comes to cyber security in large part are not well established.
	What we're saying is increasing amount of...
	What does that mean?
	I think it means I don't know.
	Wow.
	I don't know how to answer that question.
	Increasing amount of critical infrastructure attacks.
	Attacks against the foundation of the internet.
	And so this is a good example of this.
	Vincent Wiefer of McAfee Labs says the areas of cyber vulnerability migrated from phones, laptops, and tablets to other smart tech.
	Refrigerators, stoves, security systems.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	What?
	Hold on a second.
	Where's my smart refrigerator that orders my milk when I need it?
	I don't even know if anyone has a smart stove.
	To other smart tech, refrigerators, stoves, security systems, today's inconvenience could have a broader impact tomorrow.
	There are some services which use these websites which may be critical services.
	Where it becomes much more than simply, I can't send a tweet, I can't do something else.
	So depending on what sites you're going to and how you're using them, it can be a bigger deal.
	The potential for greater problems keeps Jeff Fall checking and rechecking his personal systems for the day when a few hours of inconvenience becomes something more.
	And the U.S. officials say a third hack attack this afternoon was negated before it could cause substantial disruptions.
	Service is slowly returning to a lot of the popular sites.
	As a matter of fact, some of the sites already have service back up.
	I just checked Twitter, and Twitter is once again tweeting away.
	We are live in our South Bay Bureau.
	Jesse Gary, KTVU Fox 2 News.
	All right, just got to calm everybody down for a minute.
	Yes, I'm sure there is a smart stove available at Best Buy.
	I hear you.
	What does the smart stove do?
	Somebody's pitching in the chat room that there are smart stoves?
	Oh, they're pissed.
	You morons!
	There's smart stoves at Best Buy, man!
	Smart stove.
	Smart stove.
	Who the hell would buy a smart stove?
	Our chat room!
	Okay, let's talk about this for one minute.
	Let's finish these clips.
	At least get this one out of the way.
	This is where they try to explain.
	They throw it to the anchor at KTVU, Julie or one of the other ones, and she tries to kind of explain it.
	This makes it even funnier.
	All right, thank you very much, Jesse.
	I want to tell people now more about a distributed denial of service.
	It's when a web service is intentionally overwhelmed by traffic from many sources.
	Now, the company hit today said it received requests from tens of millions of IP addresses all at the same time.
	It said those devices are infected with a malware code that was released on the web in recent weeks.
	It's not known just who is behind the attack.
	Now they're just doing some malware.
	Wait a minute, hold on.
	I just gotta hear that.
	I gotta hear that whole thing again.
	Let me just hear that again.
	Alright, thank you very much, Jesse.
	I want to tell people now more about a distributed denial of service.
	It's when a web service is intentionally overwhelmed by traffic from many sources.
	Now, the company hit today said it received requests from tens of millions of IP addresses all at the same time.
	It said those devices are infected with a malware code that was released on the web in recent weeks.
	It's not known just who is behind the attack.
	Okay.
	Hmm.
	Maybe it's Stuxnet out of control.
	Look, listen.
	The fact of the matter is, the first person, if you're talking about an Internet of Things distributed denial of service attack, which they have wrong in so many ways, the first people you got to look at is China.
	China.
	They make all this crap with shitty passwords, no passwords.
	This is where it all comes from.
	So anyone who buys a smart stove, one of the chat...
	By the way, those people in the chat room, none of them have a smart stove.
	No.
	Because they're not that stupid.
	No.
	And they all should do their own podcast and talk about smart stoves.
	It is very interesting.
	Because the push for the internet of things and the lack of understanding and knowledge by the public in general and by experts at large, really, that there is no rules of the road.
	There's not going to be any rules of the road.
	It's all hackable.
	All software is buggy and shit and sucks.
	Everything's possible, in my view.
	Whatever you want, you can do.
	I have some thoughts on this, but let's first, since it only showed up yesterday, the actual name of the group taking responsibility...
	So we might as well at least get that out of the way.
	We don't know if they're from China or where they're from.
	This is the hack P. It says PBD, which means PBS. Gotcha.
	New World.
	Yeah, okay.
	I and U.S. Department of Homeland Security haven't named any suspects in the cyber attacks that froze or slowed down websites across the U.S. and Europe yesterday.
	But a group called New World Hackers claimed responsibility.
	Woo!
	Security from Flashpoint says the hackers may have exploited internet-connected devices like webcams and DVRs to launch the attack.
	Twitter, PayPal, Amazon, Netflix, and Spotify.
	What did he say?
	Did he say DVRs?
	Yeah!
	Hold on a second.
	The US and Europe yesterday.
	Well, there is a computer, a Linux computer in most DVRs.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's what I wanted to hear him say.
	I don't know how you're going to get the malware in there, but okay.
	China puts it in at the factory.
	New world hackers claim responsibility.
	The security firm Flashpoint says the hackers may have exploited internet-connected devices like webcams and DVRs to launch the attack.
	Twitter, PayPal, Amazon, Netflix, and Spotify are among the companies that were affected.
	I love that so much energy is put into installing malware on DVRs so they can go out and attack people.
	But meanwhile, DVRs have the shittiest interfaces.
	They don't do what you need it to do.
	They pretty much all suck because I guess the Chinese or whoever's or the New World hackers are too busy putting malware on them.
	Hey, make the thing work better.
	I have never...
	I hooked my DVR to the internet.
	I mean, I use it as a dish network.
	It talks to it.
	I don't need it on the internet.
	Maybe it's going through the dish network satellites.
	But I've noticed a couple of things.
	I think I kind of sense what this might actually be going on, which is something that is going to change things.
	This is this Because people keep talking about services, services, you know, remote services, all these other things.
	I think what they're talking about, nobody can explain it to them because nobody understands microservice architecture at all.
	And so they can't discuss it.
	So they discuss it on some stupid level like webcams causing this problem when it's not webcams at all.
	And the reason I think is I think they've hacked a microservice architecture system because there's no protections within that system at all from attacks.
	This was developed over the last few years.
	Netflix is pretty much a microservices architecture-driven company.
	And what it implies is that, and this was explained to me when I went to Nginx and talked to the CEO and had a conversation, because I didn't know much about it.
	And it's the modern architecture of the internet, which is that I start a little company, and I don't really want to do anything.
	I don't want to do anything.
	I got a server.
	I see what you're saying.
	Yeah, you get Amazon EC2 AWS. And you get the services that do the credit card reporting, and when you see somebody map it out for you, there's like 40 things that you do using other services, and they're all interlinked.
	And there's no protection of those services from being attacked, because there's no Cloudflare or some system like that which protects websites, but it doesn't protect microservices.
	Wait, I'd argue that Cloudflare can be a part and is a part of microservices if used.
	I've talked to Cloudflare about this specifically.
	Okay.
	Because something like this came up, and they said their specialty is protecting websites.
	Okay.
	Right, but this is true.
	I mean, even if you go back to Twitter, and it provides a huge single point of failure, although I trust Amazon...
	My trust level on Amazon is very high on their services because, for one reason, if they go down, they're losing a million dollars a second.
	They're going to keep that stuff working.
	I think they really are quite good.
	But I know a lot about it because we use Amazon Web Services for a lot of things, and I've seen the problems crop up from time to time.
	But Twitter, if you recall, was built on that, and Twitter's number one problem was they were always down in the beginning.
	I remember the fail whale.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there's always something wrong with one of the systems.
	Now, the reason I'm thinking it's microservices architecture that's the problem is because there's some tweets that went back and forth with some people.
	They were bitching because they couldn't get on PayPal, but then they couldn't give us a donation.
	We lost money.
	We lost money.
	I know we did.
	I know we did.
	In fact, I thought...
	This sucks.
	Yeah, we lost money today.
	Yeah, because if someone can't get to the website because DNS is not resolving, which was really the big problem, then I'll do it later and then they forget.
	It happens.
	Well, here's what's kind of a key.
	Some guy's on PayPal.
	He's trying to pay by credit card.
	Every time he attempted to pay by credit card, it asked him again for the information.
	And then again.
	And then again.
	And then he said, I freaked out.
	This looks like something's wrong here.
	So I didn't donate anything.
	I got off the site.
	And that's a classic microservices architecture problem.
	Because it's one element within the entire system that's failing.
	And in this case, it was a credit card verification system, which is off-site someplace else with some specialty company that does this.
	Now, that's the one company that does it for Uber and what's the name of that company?
	They advertise on tech podcasts.
	Yeah, but there's more than one company that clears credit cards.
	But they're usually positioned as microservices.
	So you hook into them, and then they take care of the back end when you have to do a credit card transaction.
	And if they get taken down for whatever reason, your credit card thing doesn't go through, and the whole site might as well be dead.
	By the way, we had a denial-of-service attack on our servers last night.
	According to our network provider.
	And they mitigated it by funneling that traffic into some kind of, like, I don't know, they funneled it away into something.
	They have a word for it.
	So they resolved it for us, but we got hammered.
	So there's something going on.
	This architecture is reasonably weak, but of course it's built to withstand this.
	So while inconvenient, it doesn't last forever.
	There are ways to fix it.
	There are a lot of smart dudes named Ben out there and sysadmins, and they figure it out and they can change stuff.
	So it is compatible.
	I'm thinking there was, you know, the DVR thing just hit me, just stuck in my head.
	There is something that's rampant right now called Kodi.
	You familiar with it, K-O-D-I? No.
	Okay.
	So Kodi is an open source media manager.
	I think it's part of a, it fits into Linux architecture, I believe.
	I haven't looked at it myself, but I've heard people talk about it.
	And there is a way, a very simple way even, for you to hack into your Amazon Fire Stick.
	And once you've hacked into it, you install Kodi, and then you can get all the content for free, or a lot of it.
	There's a lot of the stuff that's been hacked, and then you can just start ordering stuff.
	What's the website for this?
	Well, no, if you just type in Hacking Fire Stick Kodi, you'll get it.
	Yeah, I'm just kidding.
	But I think it works on a whole bunch of platforms.
	It's possible.
	Whether this was done for that reason, I doubt, but we will see a spin with this DVRs, say, uh-oh, yeah, well, people are installing this bogus software, and we have to do something about it.
	So, you know, you scare people into stopping, stop doing that, or, you know, any other avenues that would be possible.
	That's something.
	There's enough money in that that an attack like that could be misused for it or it could be created for it.
	Either way.
	Well, I think we've said enough.
	We have so many dudes named Ben out there that I expect, especially before I write my next column, that many of them will say, well, that sounds good from a simplistic point of view, but here's what's going on.
	And they're going to tell me what's really going on.
	My theory is just a theory based on one guy who couldn't get his check thing to go through.
	And you have a more sinister theory.
	But I'm sure that I will get letters at JohnAtDvorak.org that will, from our huge coterie of geniuses, that will explain this in detail, and I will push it into the public domain.
	Well, with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say, in the morning to you, John C. Dvorak with the C stands for Columnist Extraordinaire.
	Yes, well, and in the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also in the morning to all ships at sea, boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there.
	In the morning to the chat room.
	We're happy to have you there, no matter what mood you're in.
	Noagendastream.com.
	And, of course, we want to thank all of our artists who are always...
	Chat room and all its smart stoves!
	The chat room filled with smart stoves.
	Yes.
	I want to thank...
	I want to thank John Sell, who brought us the artwork for episode 870.
	Yeezy Squeezy was the title of that one.
	And he had Wonder Woman decked out as Hillary Clinton, or Hillary Clinton decked out as Wonder Woman, I should say.
	It was a beautiful piece.
	It was a very, very nice, nice piece.
	Noagendaartgenerator.com Anyone can participate.
	Anyone can submit artwork and we're always happy that we can choose one to go as the album art.
	A lot of people sending me notes after our discussion last week or last show.
	I see the album art just fine.
	Let me explain.
	I got one of these too.
	I got a ton of them.
	It works fine.
	No.
	If you have a list of all of our episodes, and I think we have about 30 in current rotation, the most recent 30 in the RSS feed, maybe it's 20, you should be able to see a list of all the episodes and a little icon of the artwork for each of those episodes.
	That is, I mean, that's recognition, a whole bunch of great things that come with that.
	And that is not in most podcast apps, certainly not Apple's.
	Well, specifically the iTunes.
	Yeah, that's what I say.
	Yeah, the iTunes and the podcast.
	I see all the covers on my iOS app, you know, they got from the App Store or something.
	It's not an iTunes thing.
	I don't know what the problem is, kind of thing.
	Right.
	But if you look at the list in the official Apple app of all the episodes of a show...
	It will show the same artwork, the most current artwork for all the episodes.
	That is what we want to change.
	It's not a big deal, but look at the...
	It's in the spec!
	It's in the spec, which Apple wrote, and there's a lot of work being done, and it makes it look pretty!
	Alright, backslash done.
	Now, I do know that on the No Agenda app for the Roku box...
	Mm-hmm.
	The guy who does it.
	You see all the different things.
	Now the guy, I think the guy's doing these by hand.
	No, no, no.
	He's just parsing the RSS differently.
	Because we put it in our feed.
	Okay, well because once in a while there'll be a slew of shows with no art.
	Shit happens.
	Glitch!
	Well, we do want to thank a few people for this show, despite the problems they had.
	Nussbaum was at the top.
	Duke Nussbaum.
	I think we have a little jingle for him.
	Yeah, well, first we got to...
	Yeah, you want the jingle?
	I'm shocked.
	Shocked to find Sir Nussbaum working on a new agenda day.
	Nussbaum!
	Tell Nussbaum if he reposted, he's blocked.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	I do not take dick pics.
	Don't do it, Nussbaum.
	Don't do it, man.
	You don't want to get blocked.
	What are you doing there?
	I'm going to put some pants on.
	Okay.
	I love it when producers send in their own jingles.
	Dynamite!
	Yeah, that was Nussbaum's jingle.
	Love it.
	He was going back and forth with me on Twitter because he couldn't get his donation in, which would have been a huge loss to us.
	Yeah, he tried three or four times.
	Yeah, he finally did it.
	And he came in with $999.99 to celebrate our sack of nines.
	Yep.
	And he said he finally made it through.
	Love you, John and Adam.
	I said the jingle to Adam, which you just played.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much, Sir Niles.
	Now, does he not have an upgrade of title?
	We would probably have to throw in the extra training.
	Well, he's up in the dukedoms, and so the upgrades are really hard to come by.
	They're very...
	Yeah, and he would have mentioned it.
	Okay.
	Well, we really appreciate it.
	And is he still with St.
	Nicole?
	I don't know.
	You're going to have to ask him.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you.
	Let me give him some karma for that, too.
	Oh, yes.
	Hello, hello.
	You've got karma.
	Karma, karma, karma.
	Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, Kamili.
	Yeah.
	Abahini Mehta, I think.
	Or Mehta.
	Abahini Mehta.
	Mehta.
	M-E-H-T-A. Abahini.
	In Wembley, UK. 345.
	I'm attaching my accounts and with my latest donation I have enough to become a knight.
	This is a birthday gift to myself as my birthday is on the 25th of October.
	We have them on the list I assume.
	Yeah, I'll check.
	Go ahead.
	The show is my safe space, and I'd be lost without you guys.
	The safe space of podcasting.
	No agenda.
	I live in the UK, and I can confirm that Europe is becoming more and more retarded by the day.
	I would therefore like to request some election-winning karma for Donald Trump.
	Not that I have anything to gain from him winning, but it would be hilarious to see the whole of Europe having an epileptic seizure.
	I think we'd use the word conniption fit on the 9th of November.
	I would like to be known as Sir Abs, Knight of the Gitmo Nation East Deplorables.
	As a side note, John, I like the Confucius openings.
	I also like it when Adam recaps past analysis, like the Clinton Foundation paying $2 million to the charity Watchdog to increase their ratings.
	Oh, I see what he did there.
	He made you feel good by saying, I like your Confucius says, and then he also put you down by saying, by the way, you know, it's good when Adam recaps.
	Which you excoriated before.
	I did.
	I did.
	You were wrong.
	With good reason.
	Wrong.
	Yeah, I know what the play is here.
	It's pretty good.
	He's learned a few things from the show.
	I'm sure everyone forgets bits from time to time.
	This sort of stuff is invaluable.
	Once you knight me, could you please direct me to the hookers and blow?
	It would be much appreciated.
	No problem.
	We have that at the special table.
	We have the...
	Yeah, it's in the neighborhood there.
	All right, man, I'm going to give you that karma.
	Thank you.
	You've got karma.
	Thank you.
	Looking forward to your ceremony to become Sir Abs.
	Okay, now we have...
	This is a very interesting donation that came in, and it is...
	It came in with a no postmark.
	No, this guy wants to be anonymous, pretty much.
	And this is Noah Genda.
	You know, I read that name.
	I'm like, okay, Noah Genda.
	And then you're like, anonymous.
	Like, well, why did they put their name here?
	Oh, Noah Genda.
	Bam!
	Got it.
	Yeah, $248 or $246.80.
	And he sent a note, which I will read.
	My donation comes with a cheer.
	2468, who do we appreciate?
	No agenda, no agenda.
	Go podcasting, yay.
	Yay.
	I have been hitting my neighbor in the mouth of late.
	No agenda this, no agenda that.
	I showed him how I accessed a live stream and archived one day, and he says, oh, no agenda.
	I thought you were listening to some guy named Noah.
	Agenda.
	Thus, I claim the moniker.
	Nice.
	And by the way, this first guy, this is an obvious gag that no one's discovered for nine years.
	I find it kind of peculiar, to be honest about it.
	Oh, you're talking about that guy, Noah Agenda?
	Noah Agenda.
	Noah Agenda.
	And by the way, at the end of the day, as a matter of fact, in my opinion, the Noah Agenda show is essentially, for all practical purposes, the best podcast in the universe.
	Right?
	Right?
	Many thanks, and in the morning, thank you for your courage, Noah Jenda from the Wood Valley of Idaho.
	Two clips, the New York snob who reads the New York Times, followed by the scream.
	Who reads the New York Times?
	What is that?
	Oh, I know what it is.
	I know what it is.
	You'll never find it.
	I wouldn't say it.
	I know, I say that all the time, and you find it 90% of the time.
	This is the clip.
	Where this woman was being interviewed by RT. You'll never find it.
	She's being interviewed by RT and she says, oh, I listen to CNN and I read the New York Times and I read the Washington Post and I don't see why people aren't more informed.
	And I never listen to Fox.
	I remember the clip.
	It's not.
	It must be one of your clips.
	It was one of my clips, and it's an R.T., Snide R.T. clip.
	That's why it's probably...
	It's Man on the Street.
	It's mislabeled.
	It's not findable, I'll tell you that.
	If you were to label that, let's just try this.
	If you were to label it, what would you label it?
	R.T.? Have R.T. for sure, and then it would have Man on the Street with some Man on the Street idiots or some stupid like that.
	Idiots.
	I can see you writing idiots.
	Yeah, I do that a lot.
	Yeah.
	Probably too often.
	Well, you know, you may have stumped me on this one.
	That's too bad.
	Now I'd like to hear that one.
	Yeah, it was funny.
	Yeah, I'm sure it was dynamite.
	Well, I got it.
	Hang around, have a hug and share a secret.
	That's pretty much the same thing.
	Okay, well, secret is always good.
	Okay, hold on.
	This is not going well for me today.
	That's okay.
	I'm trying.
	Oh, there's no winning.
	We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot.
	Now everyone hug and share a secret.
	You've got karma.
	Best I could do.
	Okay.
	We'll look forward to the future.
	I don't feel good about that.
	Okay.
	And so finally, last but not least, we have Karen Schrock at $200, and she's from Parts Unknown.
	She sent me an email, which I printed, and I just have to find it.
	Where is it?
	You're as good as me today.
	Yeah, I figure this is going to be the way it is.
	Oh, Shrock, Shrock, Shrock.
	Shrock, Shrock!
	There it is.
	I got it.
	Shrock, Shrock!
	Here she is.
	It made it a little more difficult to find her name because it's Karen Evan, but she's Karen Shrock too.
	Dear John and Adam, oh, get your pen out.
	No, I got him out.
	Pen's out.
	Dear John and Adam, this is a donation, this donation is a birthday president for President.
	Heil President!
	Okay.
	He was turning 25 on October 23rd.
	Please put it towards his knighthood.
	He first started listening to the no agenda.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, this is interesting.
	He first started listening to Adam's daily podcast in 2005 when he when he Nigel was 13.
	And it's been a no agenda since no agenda.
	No. I.
	You've cursed the show.
	A no agenda listener since day one.
	Nigel is a wonderful man and I'm so thankful for it.
	So in other words, this guy's since 13 has been completely he's on the team.
	I would say, yeah.
	Yeah, he's on the team.
	I'm so thankful for everything he's brought into my life, including no agenda.
	My first episode was on the drive home from our honeymoon.
	Ha!
	Way to go!
	Way to go!
	Can you imagine that?
	I'm so happy I'm married to you.
	Now let's listen to this.
	It's like, annulment!
	Can you spell annulment?
	Okay.
	Now, does he have a birthday or is it just for his knighthood?
	No, no, no.
	This is towards his knighthood, but it's not his knighthood.
	It's his birthday.
	He's turning 25 on October 23rd.
	Yeah.
	Nigel, we love listening.
	He said on the drive home from my honeymoon, we love listening to it and discussing it with each other.
	It's also in honor of my father who passed away a year and a half ago when I found some old No Agenda episodes on his computer.
	Wow!
	That's like finding porn.
	A distant memory of him telling us that global warming was a scare tactic suddenly made sense.
	Wow!
	Thanks for all you do.
	P.S. This is Karen Ewan.
	P.S. Please call out our friend Max as a douchebag and a butt cheek.
	All right.
	And again, she would like the Reverend Manning whoop Obama's behind, please.
	All righty.
	Very good.
	That was a good note.
	Fantastic note.
	Yeah, really, really loved it.
	Thank you.
	We'll play the full rap for you.
	Now, get out there and whoop Obama's behind us!
	Whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin' with a constitution! Whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin', whoopin' with a constitution!
	You've got karma.
	Ha ha.
	Good one.
	I love hearing that one again.
	And that concludes our associate executive producers and executive producers for 2 and 2 for show 871.
	And of course, we have another donation segment coming up for people $50 and above.
	And when is our big birthday?
	It's the 26th of Wednesday.
	Wednesday.
	So Wednesday.
	So the Thursday show will be the anniversary show.
	And how are we going to be celebrating, John?
	By doing a long donation segment, I hope.
	Yeah, me too.
	Please remember us for our next show.
	Thank you very much to our execs and our associate executive producers.
	Everybody else be out there with our formula.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out, we hit people in the mouth.
	Water! Order!
	Shut up, flame!
	Shut up, slave!
	Yeah, nice.
	Okay, very good.
	Sound of the day.
	Hey, I've discovered something that is a flaw in the European Union.
	A huge flaw, and it's coming to head now.
	We've already seen this problem crop up.
	Well, for them, for the elites who put it together, let's put it that way.
	You know, the people who like to just have everything go their way.
	Oh yeah.
	We saw this first happen with the Netherlands.
	I have some standing discussing them.
	They held a big referendum and it was a referendum against allowing Turkey, I'm sorry, Ukraine, into the EU Association Agreement, which is a step before possibly EU, but referendum, no one wanted it.
	They went and voted.
	There was a good majority who said, nope.
	And this is not necessarily binding according to the Dutch Constitution, but the implication is, okay, if that's what the public wants, we have to come up with something else.
	This was important because the rules of the European Union are of certain types of agreements, certainly those of inter-country commerce outside of the EU and expansion of the EU, It requires ratification, a unanimous ratification from all 28 member states.
	So the Netherlands said, you know, we're not on board with that.
	The government still has to do something about it.
	How long was this ago?
	Six months now, this referendum for the Netherlands?
	At least.
	And Brussels is like, they're just moving ahead, even though the Netherlands has not ratified, because if they do, there's going to be riots on the street.
	And Europe, the EU's just like, okay, whatever, just moving along.
	But they can't really do that legally, so they haven't, you know, it's a quagmire.
	They haven't fixed it.
	Now we have the Walloons of all people.
	The Walloons.
	And we probably should explain who the Walloons are.
	Yes.
	In Belgium, you have the French-speaking portion and you have the Flemish or Dutch, you know, dialect of Dutch language.
	Speaking population.
	And they are pretty much, as long as I've been in the Benelux area, they've always been at odds.
	The Walloons and the Flemish, they do not like each other.
	Of course, they're both in the Belgian government.
	And just the name alone, Walloons, you know, you got to kind of laugh at them.
	No laughing matter, though.
	No laughing matter, though.
	We've talked about TTIP, TPP. Most people in Europe, certainly, and in the U.S., we're seeing people against these big trade agreements.
	They feel that they're not really trade agreements.
	They're helping out big corporations and doing all kinds of crazy shit with the laws.
	All the texts are secretive.
	It's not a good deal.
	So, CETA, this is the big EU trade agreement with Canada.
	Everybody's good to go.
	We're just kind of at ambassador levels.
	A couple things are working out.
	It's going to be great.
	Everybody ratifies.
	And this thing is on.
	Uh-uh.
	The Walloons discovered, or I guess they might have known, hey, wait a minute.
	Even a province of a member state can block this.
	Therefore, making the trade agreement not possible because Belgium now cannot and will not ratify this agreement.
	So I found this actually pretty good interview.
	I had a little piece on Euronews.
	And this is all in French.
	And they have one guy just reading over it, translating it, including a piece of an interview with one of the top dogs there from the Walloons.
	Very interesting to listen to what they're saying and how, well I don't know what the EU is going to do, but it's fun to watch their train just fall off the tracks, drive off the tracks.
	It was something they never expected to happen because we know that they're really good at bullying countries.
	Like, hey, Ireland, we don't like your vote.
	Do over.
	We still expect the do over for the Brexit.
	Here we go.
	International trade agreements were also discussed, especially the soon-to-be-signed one with Canada, which has run into a last-minute snag.
	According to press reports, the EU member states...
	Are ready to give new guarantees to Wallonia so that the Belgian region accepts the trade deal between Europe and Canada.
	The talks are at the level of ambassadors.
	If there's an agreement, the heads of states and governments will approve this on Friday.
	And the Walloons don't go down without a fight.
	The European Commission learnt that the hard way.
	Wallonia are up of the week.
	It has certainly taken the trade policy of the European Union hostage.
	It could do this because the Commission agreed to give decision-making power to national and regional parliaments in this field.
	Why is the French-speaking Belgian region blocking the free trade agreement with Canada?
	The reasons are political, say the critics.
	Not so, according to the head of the Walloon government, Paul Magnette.
	He's defending the interests of European citizens.
	Take a look at this interview.
	Are you going to give your green lights for the EU counter free trade deal?
	I clearly said we have to follow the benchmarks that were set by my parliament and I told that to the European Commission one year ago.
	It turns out that the parliament of Wallonia has the same powers as all the other national parliaments in the EU. If we don't sign it, we don't ratify the treaty.
	It will never come to fruition.
	I always said I supported a treaty with Canada, a well-developed treaty, but we expect guarantees on social and environmental standards, human rights, consumer protection.
	So therefore I am still waiting to see which texts the Commission will come up with.
	Is that a clear no?
	Are you ready to negotiate further?
	I already said it's not a point-blank no, it's not a veto.
	I told the Commission what our remaining difficulties were last Monday.
	But I did add which shortfalls still remain in terms of protecting our agriculture, in terms of arbitration rules or techniques.
	I also wanted to make sure that only truly Canada-based companies with real business activities in Canada could use the treaty, so it avoids becoming a Trojan horse for multinationals from other countries.
	Sounds like Trouble in Paradise to me.
	That sounds like...
	Well, here's a couple interesting things that needs clearing up.
	First of all, the way the report sounds, it sounds like the French side of the country didn't want to do it, and then the balloons decided to veto it.
	So that was confusing.
	The other thing is that Well, Switzerland is not in the EU, and I can see a bit of Swiss thinking in this sort of thing going on in Belgium, which is, you know, these individual cantons have a lot more power than,
	you know, like, we try to talk a big game here in the United States about the Tenth Amendment and all the states' rights and all the rest of it, but we always try to abnegate that, and we don't take it too seriously, and people, the general public will still say something like, well, you know, fed Trump's state.
	When it comes to lawmaking, which is why marijuana is illegal.
	But it's bullcrap, which is why marijuana has been legalized and the feds really don't want to deal with it.
	Is it possible that, because these two parliaments, that one half of the country can make this decision and then veto the whole thing, is the whole EU set up like that, where you have these multi, like, I didn't think about it, I didn't know that Belgium actually had two distinct parliaments for the two separate entities.
	Yes.
	Well, you know, they didn't have a government for a couple years at all.
	Right.
	So the Belgian governmental status is already kind of odd.
	But this is some kind of Achilles heel that I guess they never thought that this would happen.
	That you can have this kind of a veto that blocks a ratification of these obvious, very important New World Order documents to create the globalist society.
	I don't know what they're going to do about it.
	Other than passing some...
	Maybe we'll do like...
	Well, we'll do like a 9 out of 10.
	Maybe it's probably best for the EU that Great Britain left, because in fact, with Britain, for the UK, you had, what, three distinct parliaments that are, you know, Wales, I guess, Northern Ireland, Wales, there's four.
	Scotland's got its own parliament, and then you have England.
	So that would be four sources of vetoes.
	I don't know if their system works the same.
	I doubt it.
	But we do know that there could be referendars, stuff like that, as happened with the Netherlands.
	This is the second time there's been some important treaty to the globalists that has been blocked.
	And this guy, he's just a dude somewhere.
	He's not big on the international stage.
	So we'll have to see.
	They're going to have to change their rules.
	They must.
	But then somebody could veto that.
	Yeah, veto changing of the rules.
	If they try to change their rules, that should definitely be vetoed.
	I've also decided, because no one has done it that I know of, Certainly not the way we deconstruct things.
	I need to go after George Soros.
	It's too easy.
	It's too easy to just say Soros, but it's too hard to really pin this guy down because his web is so vast and so well established that I'm going to really dive in to this guy.
	He irritates the hell out of me.
	And he seems to be, you know, at first it was crackpot theory.
	I don't think it was ever crackpot theory.
	Not for me.
	Not for me, but because Glenn Beck was saying it was crackpot theory.
	I rest my case.
	I'd like to know why Glenn Beck got off that horse.
	I haven't heard Glenn Beck even say Soros' name in the last two years.
	I don't know.
	But there's a lot of things wrong with this guy.
	And so let me try and assassinate his character first.
	This is what we do in America.
	It's pretty well documented that as a kid, although he says he didn't really understand the implications of what he was doing, he grew up in Hungary, occupied Hungary, that he actually worked with the Nazis putting Jews on trains.
	And there's been no real denial from him on that.
	But what I did come across, and I figured I'd play it on the show before it disappears from the interwebs entirely, a short clip, really only like 30 seconds, of Soros talking about that time when he was collaborating with the Nazis under the auspices of his father.
	It was actually probably the happiest year of my life, that year of German occupation.
	For me it was a very positive experience.
	It's a strange thing because you see incredible suffering around you and in fact you are in considerable danger yourself.
	But you're 14 years old and you don't believe That it can actually touch you.
	You have a belief in yourself, your belief in your father.
	It's a very happy-making, exhilarating experience.
	For the happiest times of his life, John.
	Wow, that's a clip.
	So that's just my shot across the bow, Soros.
	I'm coming for you.
	I feel like doing some investigating.
	I'm sure he's trembling in his boots.
	No!
	His million dollar boots.
	Noah Jenda what?
	Who's that guy?
	Noah Jenda?
	What's that?
	What are you talking about?
	Noah Jenda?
	Noah who?
	Exactly.
	Well, it would be fun to kind of untangle a little of it.
	Because you're right, it's a web of deceit.
	And no one's really doing it other than, he's bad, he's evil.
	Yeah, we know that, but let's dive a little deeper.
	Let's be able to show some things.
	Well, you might turn out to be a great guy.
	Yeah, okay, that'll happen.
	It's possible.
	I have a lot of respect for Jill Stein.
	Yeah, Jill Stein, she's great.
	She's going down with a fight.
	Yeah, this is what she did.
	She tweeted a link to an article with a picture, and I recognize the picture because it's the one that I put in the Syrian problem of the two pipelines.
	Now, that wasn't my picture, but this picture was used in this article, and actually two other ones which I hadn't seen.
	And it explains, probably in even better detail than the articles I've linked to, the problem.
	What is the title of this?
	It's from news.com.au.
	So that's a...
	That's a Murdoch property.
	Yeah, in Australia.
	Is the fight over a gas pipeline fueling the world's bloodiest conflict?
	It's the gas, stupid.
	And it goes into the whole thing about the two pipelines.
	And she tweeted that out.
	Like, well, with someone with that awareness, that's almost worth a vote, even though she's nuts about climate change and all the other stuff.
	Yeah, she's nuts about climate change.
	Yeah, I saw that, and I like that people always say, hey, Noah Jen has been talking about this for the last three years, or however long it's been.
	And in one of the Podesta emails, there was something very interesting from WikiLeaks.
	And this is from Stephen J. Hadley, I believe.
	And who is this Hadley guy?
	He's from a consulting company with Gates and Rice.
	It's Rice, Hadley, Gates.
	That's the consulting company.
	Writes an email.
	And here it is.
	It's a lot about the current...
	I'm just going to read it to you.
	With the occupation of Ninhua by ISIS and of Greater Kirkuk by the KRG, we have an interesting possibility.
	It is my understanding that the pipelines that brought Kurdish crude to Kirkuk to be shipped by the Kirkuk-Sehan pipeline can be reversed.
	Now, this is the oil that we've been talking about that Erdogan's son has been stealing or shipping off to Sejan, which is all the way west coast there, to be shipped out and sold.
	And gee, who knows who's buying that stolen oil?
	I don't know.
	It's not us.
	No, no.
	So he's saying, I believe this pipeline can be reversed.
	If this is so, this provides an opportunity for the Northern Oil Company, part of the central government of Iraq, to ship out up to 200,000 barrels per day.
	I think that pipeline could take that.
	I'd have to check.
	But clearly close to that is the Kurds are on good days.
	We're sending up to 175,000 barrels per day to Kirkuk.
	The idea would be, Kirkuk to keep producing, shutting down Operation Wells is a laborious, costly, and very detrimental process.
	With the Beji refinery fed up to 100,000 barrels a day from Kirkuk and the Sehan line in enemy hands, that's a lot of capacity that's shut in.
	With production either sent to Kurdistan for refining or shipped out by the 300,000 barrels per day, a line that, very fortunately, the KRG now has to say on.
	So the KRG would temporarily market all oil exported via that line, its own quantities.
	There would be about 100,000 barrels a day.
	But proceeds, check this out, would be put into the Fed Reserve DFI account with some special arrangement for the Kurdish 17% of total revenues countrywide.
	Now, a Federal Reserve DFI account is a depository financial institution.
	So these are really only central banks and that kind of big organizations do this.
	So what they're talking about is really stealing the oil with help from the Kurds and then kicking back 17% to them using our Federal Reserve system.
	That's interesting.
	No, it's not interesting.
	It's a fucking outrage.
	Well, that's...
	Sorry, sorry.
	I mean, that's...
	And where is the media?
	No, the media doesn't want to look at the stolen emails that the Russians have delivered to us just to ruin our two-party system.
	Oh, my God.
	I mean, this is a big deal to me.
	And there goes your voice.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	I'm hurt.
	I'm clearly emotional about it.
	But, you know, come on.
	This is clearly showing what's going on and how there's this collusion and bringing in the Fed to funnel the money.
	Yeah, it's outrageous.
	I'm just wondering.
	And then, listen, on top of everything else, what this would do is, while quantities are limited, this could calm the world markets.
	They're taking it that far.
	They want to influence the markets, whether you're influencing it for good or bad or settling or not.
	You're influencing it.
	I'm sorry.
	I was blown away.
	I'm like, where?
	And I'm looking for reporting.
	No.
	There's no reporting.
	No reporting.
	Well, I know there's been a lot of chatter in the investment community about trying to stabilize oil at 55, because that brings online, and I didn't know these numbers, and I questioned some of them.
	I thought it was higher for U.S. to come online.
	I mean, lower.
	I'm sorry.
	Lower.
	55 is what makes fracking work.
	Okay.
	Fracking's expensive.
	But marginally, I guess.
	I mean, how much are you making?
	Yeah, no, it's not like a bonanza, but you can make money.
	And have jobs.
	And like he said in that memo, if you read it carefully, and you did, it's hard to stop, to cap a well.
	To shut it down, yeah.
	Or shut down what you're doing.
	Yeah.
	It's easy, it's just some way, any way of not doing that, because setting the things back up and starting over is like a pain, and you lose a bunch of money at the beginning, just like the other guy said, the expert, the business expert.
	He's always going to lose some money there at the beginning, which is not true, but the oil it might be if you have to turn a well on and off.
	So that could be that, yeah, it could be part of a bigger, grander scheme.
	I'm glad that Jill Stein got at least on this much of it.
	You should send her that copy of his memo.
	Yeah, I gotta send her that, for sure.
	Yeah.
	Since obviously she's not gonna read it in the New York Times.
	I don't know.
	Every day, I try to go through another swath of WikiLeaks emails.
	Because I know we're just not being served by anybody.
	No, these guys are terrible.
	We're really not being served.
	I need to get some...
	I should probably do the same thing.
	I just let you do it.
	I ran into an interesting clip just out of the blue, which just kind of confirms something we've kind of decided, I think, both of us.
	This is Jeff Greenfield.
	I think he's on PBS now.
	He's an old hack from ABC, and now he's floating around doing different things.
	But he makes this very interesting assertion, which I think that...
	The two of us could agree on it.
	It's a pet peeve of mine, and I'll go into the pet peeve again after the clip.
	The general theory among academics is that campaign events don't have a kind of hugely consequential event.
	This year looks like it may challenge that conventional wisdom because the first debate really seems to have been the turning point.
	Trump had closed to within a point or two in virtually every poll.
	And once that first debate ended, Clinton's lead began to grow and it has still grown and now stabilized up to this point.
	Remember the fundamentals, The economic data and stuff predicted a close race.
	So this may be a case where an event actually had an impact.
	One quick footnote, the economic fundamentals, Barack Obama's approval ratings, have all moved in a direction in the last month or two that helps the Democrats.
	But I still think we're going to look back at that first debate as a critical factor.
	Jeff Greenfield, many thanks.
	So what am I reminded of when I hear this analysis?
	I'm reminded of Donald Trump.
	This may be the last time I do this.
	I'm reminded of Donald Trump in his debates with the other Republicans about how he's so looking forward to debating Hillary because he's going to wipe the floor.
	I am so looking forward to debating Hillary.
	Oh, I'm so looking forward to it.
	And here's what we get.
	Choke.
	Chokes.
	Oh, you know, I didn't want to say anything bad because Chelsea was in the audience.
	And I didn't want to hurt her feelings.
	Okay.
	Are you ready?
	Yeah, I've expected a little more of a rant, but okay.
	That's good.
	I can't, you know, I've been ranting about this since every debate.
	The guy shouldn't have done a debate.
	That's what he should have done.
	He should have retired a winner.
	These debates are too easy for me.
	me I'm not going to do any of them but so this is what we got Of course, it's still rigged.
	We don't know really who's going to win or how people are actually going to vote because you know that all the information we're getting is bogus.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But it's, you know, you just, it's the whole, it's a scam.
	It truly is.
	It really all is rigged.
	It's really true.
	It's so vast.
	Yeah, it's very tight.
	And I think, you know, the thing about the oil that you just exposed that nobody wants to report, they don't report on anything.
	The stuff they do report on, I do have some clips of.
	I have something about the debate quickly.
	It kind of passed by me.
	I didn't really think of anything until I saw the Defense Department press briefing.
	In the debate, Hillary Clinton said that the president has four minutes between making the decision to launch.
	And so a lot of people said, hey, man, that's, you know, or like, you know, I saw a lot of memes, Putin going, hey, thanks.
	Now we know how much time we have.
	And when you think about it, yeah, I guess that would be something that would be classified.
	You certainly don't want to know that.
	I think four minutes is a long time.
	Seems long.
	If we really committed to it, does that mean we have four minutes to stop?
	I'm not quite sure.
	But Ash Carter, the Secretary of Defense, has said up front of his news conference he was not going to discuss this.
	Because he does not want to wade into the political debate.
	Luckily, Barbara Starr from CNN, I do not hold her in very high regard about much, but she went ahead and she asked a two-part question.
	I cut out the second question.
	So if you hear him talking about a second question, it was because I removed it.
	And she took a little different tactic, and I appreciate that she did that.
	Mr.
	Secretary, you've just spoken a couple of times about the full weight of U.S. strategic deterrence to defend South Korea.
	And because of your own expertise in nuclear matters, I want to ask you a question of policy, not politics.
	It was said last night that, and I want to quote, and let me just finish the question, sir, if I might, that there are about four minutes between the order being given and people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so.
	I want to ask you not about that.
	I do want to ask you, is it classified to discuss nuclear launch timeframes?
	It's either classified or it's not.
	I'm sorry, but I'm not going to answer your first part because it is cast in terms of the ongoing presidential campaign.
	And I said repeatedly, I'm not going to answer questions in that context.
	So, not going to answer on that one.
	No, so, not going to do it.
	Just not going to answer.
	Not going to answer on that one.
	Well, clearly, your answer is there.
	Why wouldn't you just say it?
	I'm not convinced of this.
	First of all, I believe Hillary is just ad-libbing.
	She's a liar.
	Hey, by the way, when she said that...
	If I were Trump, I would have said, yeah, gee, it's so important.
	Too bad your husband lost the biscuit for three months.
	Well, he could have brought that up.
	He could have brought up the national security thing.
	He could have brought up, well, this is how you are so random with your knowledge of secrets, state secrets.
	You're just giving them away to a debate crowd.
	Yeah, that would have been even better.
	He could have gone a million different ways.
	He chokes at these debates.
	He's no Show.
	Fail.
	Epic fail.
	It is an epic fail.
	But the question is, do you think it's classified?
	I think she just made it up.
	She just made up.
	These things may not even work at all.
	We don't even know they work.
	I'm sure they work well enough.
	They make a lot of smoke, that's for sure.
	In the Woodward and Bernstein, of course, a very famous journalistic duo who did All the President's Men.
	They reported the Washington Post, correct?
	Yeah, both Washington Post.
	Famous Robert Redford movie.
	It was a book, too, I guess.
	It must have been a book.
	Was it a book?
	That's All the President's Men was a book.
	Well, it was actually a series of reports that became a book later.
	So they really, you know, they're heralded as, you know, great journalists.
	Was one of the two really the smart one of the operation?
	Is there one guy who was the real guy, or are they both equally?
	Well, one of the guys we know from Russ Baker's book...
	One of the guys, Woodward, was Navy intelligence, went into the Washington Post, probably as a CIA guy.
	Right.
	How about Bernstein?
	Bernstein seems to be a guy who resisted going into one of these agencies, and he stayed an independent, and he's the one who in 1997 wrote on his own website, I think it's still there, a long exposition of government infiltration of the media.
	I'm going to put it in the show notes again.
	We've done it before.
	It's a great read.
	It's a great read.
	And thank you for reminding me.
	Because I thought, the guy's pretty good.
	He sees through all the bullcrap.
	Well, he's working with an agency guy, sure.
	You get a clue after a while.
	No, but that was not, that was his own words written on his own website.
	And he said, you know, it's all bullcrap.
	It's all set up.
	It's all, you know, everyone's a shill, pretty much.
	There's enough shills to make it, yeah, you can almost say that.
	Almost everyone's a shill.
	So imagine my disappointment when I hear him using the following words on CNN, where he is a regular contributor.
	This campaign is now about a neo-fascist, I keep coming back to that, sociopath.
	That's where we are.
	And what interests me at this point, because it seems apparent he's going to lose, barring some really big surprise...
	It's how and why 80-90% of people who call themselves Republicans can continue to support this man and this movement, no matter how much they hate Hillary Clinton.
	I think the most interesting thing going on right now is Trump saying that he may not go along with the results of this election.
	What does it really mean?
	It means, I think, that he is setting himself up All right, so explain to me what he means by neo-fascist.
	Neo meaning new.
	Yeah.
	What the hell is he talking about?
	Where did he get the fascism from?
	I don't know.
	I have no idea what he's talking about or what he's even implying.
	He is either sold out, because at some point you've got to see your partner cranking out these books, which he's not writing, because it's written by the agency.
	That's the way I'm looking at it, because I know what it takes to write a book.
	I can't even get my vinegar book done.
	You know exactly how hard it is.
	So, and I've done a lot of books, but, you know, using them as teams.
	It's not easy.
	And they're instant bestsellers.
	And this guy is, like, cranking these things out left and right because he doesn't have to write them.
	And you can spot guys like this.
	They just, they toe the line on certain things politically, and then they're cranking out these books.
	Okay, okay.
	So maybe Bernstein said, well, jeez, you know, I could use a few books.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so that would then mean that the intelligence community's party line is Trump is a neo-fascist.
	And the entire population that supports him are neo-fascists.
	And they're all going to be watching the new media empire.
	By the way, you build an empire.
	You don't just make it.
	You build an empire, a-hole.
	And who's going to get a Breitbart guy and Trump together?
	They're going to pull some money and make a media empire?
	Glenn Beck had a better shot at it.
	Let's talk about that for a second, because this is the continuing narrative.
	Well, he knows he's going to lose, so he's going to build this whole new media empire.
	To compete against Fox.
	That's implied.
	Which is what Beck did.
	Yeah, that's implied.
	Do you think there's any validity to it?
	No.
	I think Trump's full of crap about this.
	I think somebody slipped it.
	I think somebody dreamed it up, or the Breitbart guy, or somebody added two and two and two, and they said, well, this must be a media empire in the making.
	But where's the media?
	Okay, here's the possibility.
	I'll put it in the Red Book.
	Ailes.
	Yeah.
	Roger Ailes is part of this deal.
	And so he comes in, and that's why he shows up in the first place.
	Roger Ailes says, look, I did it at Fox.
	I'm the one who made Fox News.
	And he is.
	I know how to do it.
	I know how to do it.
	You just douchebag.
	You'd be a sleazeball.
	You pinch the girls' butts as they walk in and see if they object to it.
	They don't get hired.
	And I know how to do this.
	He says, look at this.
	It took us...
	It did take a few years.
	It's not like, you know, overnight.
	But...
	It's like, here's what we can do.
	We can do it better than Fox.
	I'll tell you where Fox's flaws are.
	They've got these problems.
	They've got a bunch of political correct guy.
	James Murdoch's an idiot.
	Who knows what he's saying?
	And then the old man's going to die, and then the whole thing's going to fall apart.
	Well, here's my problem with the whole idea.
	Trump's strength is not television.
	It's Twitter.
	In fact, if Trump would stop tweeting, you know, you could buy Twitter for $500,000.
	He is Twitter as far as I'm concerned.
	I don't think there's anything else.
	I'm not saying you're making the mistake of thinking Trump's going to be the front man, the guy on the other side of the camera.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm not making any mistake.
	I'm saying it makes no sense to do a television project.
	I think he's just a finance guy in this case.
	It would be Roger Ailes and the Breitbart guy.
	And Trump is the money guy.
	He's going to get the money.
	But his power of what he's been able to do...
	No, I understand what you're saying.
	I agree 100%.
	That's why the whole thing is kind of sketchy.
	It makes no sense, yeah.
	But it looks if he's going to just do it as a guy with Mr.
	bags, uh, who can get the money to do this thing.
	And he now knows how to fundraise and he knows how to get big crowds and, and he could probably get a lot of interest in something like this.
	He could get interest and he could tweet about it, but he wouldn't be anything more than that.
	It'd They're two right-wingers.
	A new alt-right.
	They're alt-right.
	Alt-right.
	They're an alt-right station.
	That would be more sincere.
	You've always said it.
	I can't disagree, which is really a bunch of Democrats that are posing as Republicans.
	Especially since Ailes is out.
	They're not pro-Trump at all.
	Yeah, they're starting to back off.
	And, you know, they need a, you know, Megyn Kelly.
	They could probably steal Megyn Kelly.
	Megyn Kelly at night.
	I'd watch it.
	You know, they could just call it Alt-Right.
	If you're going to do it, I'd just call it Alt-Right.
	Alt-Right TV. Yeah.
	Freak a lot of people out.
	Again, though, Beck tried to do this, and he's...
	Right, but he had no money.
	It takes a lot of money to do this.
	As you know, John, every business expects to lose some money when they start a new...
	Billions.
	Yes.
	I got a couple quickies here.
	With this, you know, Donald Trump bringing the validity of the elections into question, ABC, although they're factually not wrong, the way they painted the Bush-Gore recount and that whole, you know, I mean, how long did it take?
	Did it take four or five weeks?
	I've lost track of it.
	I remember.
	I remember.
	Waking up, I think this is when we had blogs, but we didn't have Twitter, obviously.
	And I remember posting, like, I woke up, still no president.
	You know, it's...
	That was a very weird time, and it was because the election was contested.
	It was a big problem.
	It made America look very, very problematic.
	But ABC, they kind of changed the history on this, or at least turned it into a different, a good story.
	And another tough campaign with 2000, Al Gore and George W. Bush.
	And Al Gore, he made a gracious concession speech.
	Let's take a listen.
	I say to President-elect Bush that what remains of partisan rancor must now be put aside.
	And may God bless his stewardship of this country.
	Now, John, how important is this speech like that or this speech in bringing the country back together again?
	Well, I'll never forget that one.
	You know, that was in December after the long recount after the Supreme Court put an end to the recount.
	Everybody wondered how Gore would handle it.
	That was the best speech of that entire campaign for Al Gore.
	Incredibly gracious.
	And the country really needed it.
	I remember vividly out Out in front of the vice presidential residents, there were protesters who had been chanting day after day, get out of Dick Cheney's house.
	After Gore gave that speech, they started chanting, thank you, Al Gore.
	It was absolutely critical to bringing the country back together after that very bitter campaign and even more bitter recount.
	Wow.
	Yeah, that was really something.
	That was a real act of patriotism by a million times.
	He didn't do it right after the election.
	He did it a month later.
	Exactly.
	So I expect Trump to do something a month later if he loses.
	Yeah, a real patriot.
	Who are these guys kidding?
	He was a real patriot, Al Gore was.
	What a patriotic move.
	Just fabulous.
	It sounded like it was an irked dick.
	It was not a happy camper giving that speech.
	It was hardly a patriotic move.
	The guy still goes on and on about this being a rip-off.
	He should have been president when he gives his speeches.
	Hi, I'm the former should have been president.
	And then he went on to assault a massage girl in the hotel.
	Remember that?
	Yes, I think people will want to forget that.
	I don't.
	It's because the visual is, like, disgusting.
	Yeah, it's a sad visual, I agree.
	Hey, you want to massage this?
	As we were talking about what happens if there's a contested election, you know, there's...
	So Congress can choose...
	At a certain point, under certain circumstances, like a draw.
	It's starting to look more like an episode of Veep than anything when you think about it.
	And they actually played this scenario out in a very similar way.
	That if there's no conclusion from voting, then Congress can choose from the top three candidates.
	If they fail, then the current vice president becomes president.
	That's how it works.
	Did you know that?
	Oh, yeah?
	Where did this come from?
	It's from the Constitution.
	It says that the current vice president becomes president?
	Yes.
	Well, then everybody would be happy.
	Because we have Joe.
	Joe would be president.
	And I think Joe knows that there is a slight possibility of that happening.
	He's probably happy.
	Did you notice in the national press, talking about Trump's behavior?
	His personal behavior.
	But what he said, he did and does, is a textbook definition of sexual assault.
	And think about this.
	But it's more than that.
	He said, because I'm famous, because I'm a star, because I'm a billionaire, I can do things Other people can't.
	What a disgusting assertion for anyone to make.
	The press always asks me, don't I wish I were debating him?
	No, I wish you were in high school.
	I could take him behind the gym.
	That's what I wish.
	Take him out back.
	Kick his ass.
	Brother.
	Go, Joe.
	By the way, Joe, that is just as illegal...
	That's what Donald Trump did.
	You assert that he was talking about how he's going to assault women, you just talk about how you're going to assault him!
	difference shows are actually an idiot which is makes it kind of fun to Oh, that's for sure.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's the same guys.
	You know that Trump?
	That Trump's a name-caller.
	He's a clown.
	My favorite one.
	He calls everyone a name.
	He's a clown.
	He's a clown and a doofus.
	Nobody uses doofus.
	I don't know why.
	Yeah, but you know what?
	I think that the millennials would come out en masse if he were in an election.
	I think everyone would be pretty happy if Joe was president for a while.
	It would definitely make us happy.
	Yeah!
	Can you imagine?
	It doesn't matter.
	It's all good for the show.
	It really doesn't matter.
	It really doesn't.
	So there's this report, this is a little change in the subject, a little report.
	I just think that this is, I don't know why people don't just, are not up in arms about the EPA. This is the EPA. This is the EPA and the Flint, Michigan thing.
	And exactly what do these people do besides make rules and rules?
	Let's just recap.
	Recap for a second.
	Just recap.
	For our international audience.
	Actually, there's no need to recap because it's actually in the clip.
	A new report from the Environmental Protection Agency's Inspector General has concluded the agency took seven months longer than necessary to warn residents of Flint, Michigan, about lead contamination in the water.
	The report found the EPA had enough information in June 2015 to issue an emergency order So what do these people do with their time?
	What kind of an enforcement agency is this?
	They make a lot of rules and regulations to make people's lives miserable, but when they have the opportunity to actually take some action and do something that would be positive, while kids are being poisoned by leaded water, they do nothing.
	They sit on it for seven months?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the people should be fired.
	I mean, that's obvious.
	Oh, yeah, they should fire someone.
	No one's going to get fired, ever.
	Here's a story I just wanted to bring up.
	No clip.
	Very disturbing.
	Over 10,000 veterans, some not even veterans still serving, many of whom served multiple combat tours, have been ordered by the Department of Defense to repay bonuses they received to re-enlist.
	And the story goes as follows.
	What?
	Oh, wait.
	Wait for it.
	So the way it goes is guys and gals had done a tour.
	And this was around, I think, this may have been around 2003, 2004.
	And the military said, well, look, please reenlist Re-up for one more time.
	We need people.
	Remember, we needed a lot of people, and we're trying to figure out how to get them in.
	So they were handing out bonuses, $15,000, $20,000, $25,000.
	And people re-enlisted, took the bonus, went out for at least one, but some multiple, multiple tours just kept on going back.
	And now the Department of Defense has decided that these bonuses were meant for only a select few, and the 10,000-plus military service men and women who received them and they were not proper, according to the Department of Defense, have said, okay, you have to pay it back.
	And of course, people were and this is going on for a while now because it got to the point where they were garnishing wages.
	They were freezing bank accounts on these people.
	And, you know, now you have these military families borrowing money or on payment plans to pay back these bonuses that they did all kinds of things with, you know, like paid off part of their mortgage.
	You know, just other things that you do with with a bonus like that for the reason you got it.
	And the Department of Defense is pressuring these people with the IRS again to pay it back.
	sad music That's ridiculous.
	I didn't know about this.
	And yet the president should immediately intervene.
	Immediately.
	That'll be the day.
	Nice sound.
	Good sound effect.
	It's really...
	And by the way, hello...
	Hold on a second.
	Hello, Mr.
	Trump!
	Opportunity!
	He should be out there pounding the hell out of this.
	Yeah, he should.
	This is great.
	This is fodder.
	This is fantastic during an election period.
	But it also hurts me.
	And all these guys running for offices, senators, congressmen, this is all good stuff.
	And for the Republicans, the Republicans are always looking for issues because it's not the Democrats can't do anything.
	They can't say anything because it's like, I don't know, maybe it's some scam going on.
	And yeah.
	Meanwhile, people can deliver crappy weaponry and all the rest of it.
	Overbill by billions of dollars.
	Billions?
	There's trillions we don't know about.
	I said billions.
	Billions.
	Billions.
	Literally billions.
	Because of that Zoom boat.
	I mean, that thing is, I think, a billion or two billion over budget.
	And they don't make them pay them back, but they stick the poor soldier, the guy, the grunt, Get stuck with a bill for something that they were used.
	Now, this is like illegal.
	First of all, I want to say, this is from the Los Angeles Times, so it's not like some crazy site.
	This is a pretty well-established journalistic institution.
	But we have had soldiers before go to Washington.
	I believe that was after which war?
	Well, you want me to name them?
	Yes.
	Civil War.
	Thank you.
	World War I. Thank you.
	World War II. Vietnam War.
	Yeah.
	And the first time is because they didn't get paid.
	It's like Lucy in the football.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yes, exactly.
	I am floored by this.
	Hey, you know, these guys you're screwing, they do have guns.
	I don't know.
	You just, you know, you've got to be careful.
	You don't want to piss people off like this.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Well, that would have been clip of the day.
	Damn it!
	I have an update on PBS. I do have a clip.
	It just doesn't have any quotes from him, but I want to make sure we keep him on the show as a regular.
	Duarte's on PBS.
	This is Duterte's.
	Philippines has clarified comments he made yesterday about a, quote, separation from the United States.
	Rodrigo Duterte says he is not cutting ties with the U.S., but rather meant that the Philippines, quote, need not dovetail the foreign policy of America.
	In Washington, White House spokesman Josh Earnest expressed concern about the leader's recent pronouncements.
	We've seen too many troubling public statements from President Duquette over the last several months.
	And the frequency of that rhetoric has added an element of unnecessary certainty into our relationship that doesn't advance the interests of either country.
	The U.S. and the Philippines have been allies for 70 years.
	I think that's putting...
	They're throwing down the gauntlet.
	They're going to go after this guy.
	Of course.
	I mean, that's...
	Now, the thing that they didn't...
	I didn't have a clip of.
	I had a clip of...
	But wait!
	But wait, John!
	Wait!
	That means we have to build up a whole new China is evil narrative.
	We're just...
	We just got...
	We're doing the Russians today.
	Well, we can get...
	We can swing back.
	We can pivot.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Pivot.
	Pivot.
	Now, there was a clip of him...
	believe going on.
	And he said, he said something that was an understandable, but it was something along the lines of the whole world is against us.
	There's only three countries, Russia, China, and the Philippines that will stand up against the entire world.
	So he's got the New World Order vision.
	He's Trump.
	He's Trump.
	And I think this is going to develop into just a good ongoing segment for the show.
	Good.
	Well, we like him.
	We like him when we can even understand him.
	Which is rare.
	You know, there was an article in the New York Times, the public editor, which I guess is kind of the ombudsman.
	Yeah, like an ombudsman.
	And it caught my eye because of the title, Taking the Plunge into the Podcast Pool.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, yeah.
	The New York Times is used to a change of costume.
	That's right.
	Now more repackaging is underway, this time with the goal of creating a whole library of Times journalism you can listen to while driving or making dinner!
	It's the Papers Podcast!
	And as the project enters its sixth month, a familiar question is arising.
	What should the Times look like in this form?
	Or more precisely, what should it sound like?
	See, everything by committee there over the New York Times.
	And this is really a fabulous article.
	They have a...
	Check this out.
	With a five-person team, John, they have a five-person team for this podcast, which is modest on Timesian scales.
	It says it right here.
	It's modest on PBS scales.
	It says it right here.
	That's fantastic.
	It says modest five.
	It says modest on Timesian scales with five people.
	You made that up.
	No, no, it's right here in the new, it's her article.
	They're already producing a lively podcast on the election, an adventurous talk show on popular culture, and a new podcast due out next month in game show format.
	Woo!
	Oh, that's just a steal from Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.
	But, does it make sense for the Times to be directing its talent and money toward podcasts when newsroom cuts are imminent and every position is precarious?
	Oh, this is a very good question, of course.
	Now, She's going to try and explain why.
	If you buy into the prevailing in-house theory, the answer to that question is yes.
	That means that the New York Times believes they need to steer their money towards podcasting instead of newsroom personnel.
	If you buy into the...
	Oh, sorry.
	I got that.
	Prevailing in-house theory.
	Audio is part of the future.
	Because...
	Oh, listen.
	No, stop.
	Stop stepping on it.
	It's the best line.
	New York Times, by the way, ladies and gentlemen.
	The gray lady.
	The bastion of journalism.
	Audio is part of the future because it attracts young people who aren't typically time subscribers.
	So the idea is...
	John, do you have a pen?
	You gotta write it down.
	I'm writing it down.
	So the idea is to lure them with free podcasts with the hope of getting them to take paid subscriptions.
	Wow. Man. Man.
	And this is the in-house belief.
	The show, hosted by the political writer Michael Barbaro, does everything that time should do more of in the rest of its operations.
	It brings listeners right into the room.
	It treats them like insiders.
	And it doesn't just assume they'll keep coming back.
	It works for it.
	See, they're working really hard there.
	And...
	It goes on and on and on and on.
	Until we get to the part, which is, of course, the most interesting.
	Hold on.
	It is not just a matter of drawing listeners.
	You also have to attract advertisers.
	Ah!
	Wow!
	Wow, a lightbulb moment!
	Thus far, big brands have been reluctant to peel off some of their advertising dollars for a bet on podcasts.
	I don't know why, but that whole sentence sounded really degrading.
	Denigrating.
	We had to peel off a few.
	Here's a 20 for you, you stupid podcaster.
	I'm peeling off a one.
	Peeling off a one.
	Those that do sign on find it difficult to measure the size of a podcast audience because, at the moment, not like we discovered this ten years ago, but at the moment, the most reliable measure is downloads.
	And just because you downloaded a podcast doesn't mean you listen to it.
	Wow, what a discovery.
	I never thought of such a thing.
	But wait!
	Followed by the same as with a newspaper you subscribe to but only read twice a week.
	Whoa!
	Fire that lady!
	You don't want anyone to be thinking that.
	No, that was bad.
	But what she's trying to say, and this is what the Times is going to use, I guess, in their sales pitch.
	Well, you advertise in the newspaper.
	You don't know if people are reading it.
	This is how stupid these people are.
	Yeah, they're unselling their cash cow.
	Yeah.
	It's funny.
	Is this podcast generation going to convert to time subscribers after a few episodes of The Run-Up?
	Possibly.
	But it's a real bank shot.
	Is it going to turn the spigot on a gushing new revenue stream?
	Not likely.
	But sometimes, reasons of journalism are good enough.
	Holy crap.
	I give these fuckers ten more years.
	They're dead.
	This can't last.
	It's diluted.
	So, look, you're never going to accurately count downloads.
	It's a farce.
	It's not going to happen.
	It's technically not possible unless everyone's registered and you have an app that you control on the people's device.
	Done.
	It's just not possible.
	You're stupid, New York Times.
	Well, they did bring up...
	What they brought up was the same stuff we've been hearing actually since before we started doing this show.
	It's the same issues and it's just bogus.
	It's a...
	And podcasting, what is the difference between podcasting and radio in any real sense?
	You can cuss on podcasts.
	There's no antenna.
	There's only one difference that matters.
	There's something called Arbitron.
	There's an agreed-to belief system called the radio ratings.
	And until you have a belief system that everyone agrees to, which doesn't...
	I mean, we've been looking at it for 10 years.
	Yeah, there's no belief system.
	I mean, you can't...
	Oh, it's number one on the iTunes list.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Which is about as bogus as any list.
	No, that's why we have to do the value for value model to pay for the podcast.
	I'm going to show myself mood by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda in the morning.
	I'm hoping to cue that a little better, but...
	Yeah, well, I know how I can cut it in the edit.
	It'll sound great.
	Don't worry about it.
	I'm sorry.
	I was waiting for you to end.
	I thought you ended it.
	I was about to go into a thing that was a big perfect segue.
	You need a switch.
	I need a light that goes lights up in your place.
	Yeah, so I... Oh, now it's time to play the...
	You want to do your...
	I'd love to hear...
	I'd love to hear what you were going to say.
	I don't remember now.
	But I knew it was coming, so...
	James, we do have a few people to thank, and we're going to thank them for show 871 as we get to our ninth anniversary on Wednesday, October 26th.
	We've been doing this for nine years.
	You know, let The Times and all these guys, big blowhards, come on with their new ideas that have been done...
	For way longer than we've been doing this podcast, these mistakes.
	But do they ever call and ask, what do you think about this?
	No.
	No.
	No, of course not.
	Let's start by thinking a few people.
	Starting with James Edwards, one, two, three, four, five.
	And he has a quickie call-out for Mosley.
	I guess Mosley is a douchebag.
	Zach Mosley.
	Douchebag.
	Anonymous comes in at the same amount.
	1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
	And he's in Denver.
	This is what?
	I get that sun in my eyes again.
	Matt Asbury.
	You're doing this show in a darkened room.
	Matt Asbury.
	$119.23.
	What do we have here?
	We have a call out of something.
	He's being knighted.
	Let me see.
	Dear Adam and John, please accept my donation of $119.21 to complete my knighthood.
	While I know a knighthood is truly the pinnacle of human achievement, I would like this title to go to my wonderful wife, Terry.
	She's been listening beside me for six years and...
	What?
	Yeah.
	He sent us in as an email.
	He had a bunch of people give him a knighthood, and he realized he already had one.
	He never called it out, and so he's put this together.
	It's a good note.
	Keep reading.
	Okay, I see.
	She's been listening beside me for six years and is the most delightful listening partner one could ask for.
	In addition to being the finest wife, mother, and partner of my life, My life journey.
	Please anoint her Dame Terry of Tosa.
	I would request on her behalf that Harf eggs and Lee sauce be served at the table that is round.
	Hmm.
	Hold on a second.
	I'm not familiar with this.
	What is Harf eggs and Lee sauce?
	That's when the spokesperson for the Defense Department was Maria Harf.
	And she's had her eggs frozen.
	By Matt Lee.
	Bam!
	That's exactly it.
	That's exactly what it is.
	I just think you're right.
	Got it.
	Okay, I'm going to put that into the roundtable rewards right now.
	Can you finish up the note, John?
	As we serve at the table at this round, I would like to request new human resource, Karma, as she is in the seventh month of production.
	And I will deliver our third human resource in December, counting to follow.
	No, I'm going to give it to you.
	Absolutely.
	Here you go.
	You've got karma.
	Wesley K. Walker in Pacifica, California came with $100.
	Jay Kumar, our buddy, who I always thought was a knight already, but I guess I was wrong.
	He did send a little note in, which I will grab.
	He came in with $100.
	It was a check.
	And it's just another $100 for the best podcast in the universe.
	This election season has been a pain to endure, but your analysis has been entertaining and informative as always.
	Anyway, he's on his way to knighthood, and he says, don't raff.
	Okay.
	I got you.
	I'll put it at the end of the show.
	Put it at the end of the show.
	Harvey Lee, not of the half eggs.
	$99.99.
	We didn't care.
	We got three.
	We got three of these.
	Kendall, Brian Jr.
	in Jacksonville, Florida in 99.99, David Fugizotto in parts unknown.
	Why do you think we only got three Niner Niners?
	I don't know.
	It's either a bug or...
	The DDoS?
	No one cares.
	There you go.
	I think there's this element, too.
	Let's see.
	If I'm going to do 99.99, I'm going to do it on the Thursday show, which is the anniversary show.
	Why should I do it today?
	I don't get anything extra out of it.
	Although what you get out of it is you get more attention, but it's too late.
	Chad Dorr, meanwhile, comes on 99.97, which is a seven of nines.
	Sir Jackery Knight of the Bluffs was the Bluffs something.
	Boobs.
	Bluff City.
	Bluff City.
	Brian Leslie in Bremerton, Washington.
	Boobs, boobs, boobs, boobs, boobs.
	Baron Sir Pete in Amsterdam.
	Sir Pete.
	Pete.
	Baron of Northern Holland in Friesland.
	Eric Makarowicz, I think, in Socorro, New Mexico.
	No, no.
	Nanette Schifflett.
	I think I got that right.
	6666.
	Oh, she has a douchebag call out for Sir Bremrose.
	Douchebag!
	And I see a birthday for Mountain Vortex.
	Is he on the list?
	Yeah, I didn't know it was his birthday.
	Is he on the list?
	He is now.
	Okay.
	And then we have somebody who, I don't know, they filled the whole page.
	Chris Wilson from, let's see where he's from.
	Yeah, he's got a birthday for his son, Felix.
	He's turning seven, so that's on the list.
	Okay.
	Now, am I correct on this next one, which is Sam Godwin in San Jose?
	That's what I got.
	Okay.
	$55, and then we have $50 donors, just a few of them, too.
	Again, just a slow, slow day.
	And I'll read them, place and location, name, place and location.
	Place and location is the same thing.
	Daniel Laboy in Bath, Michigan.
	Patrick Mackom, Sir Patrick, who's in New York City.
	Jason Daniels, Parts Unknown.
	Brandon Menk, I think, is a Sir, too, in Tempe, Arizona.
	Andrew Beard in Powhatton, Virginia.
	Sandy Geisler in Watkinsville, Georgia.
	Benjamin C. Smith in Oakland, who might be a Knight by now.
	I think he is.
	I don't remember.
	And Sir Matthew Tanner, or Mark Tanner, who's definitely a Knight, and probably beyond that by now, in Whittier, California.
	I want to thank all these folks.
	And the ones who came in with lesser amounts of money for helping us on Show 871.
	And then we got our anniversary show coming up next Thursday.
	The big celebration on Wednesday, of course.
	All right.
	Well, thank you.
	Yeah, I hope we see at least some more sacks and nines.
	They love us for our birthday.
	Nine years, a long time.
	Yes, it's a very long time.
	We'll make ten for sure.
	And the product just gets better and better.
	Outstanding product.
	And I thank everybody.
	And we have a couple of requests, so I'll throw them all in here as we do have some requests for karma and some F-Cancer stuff.
	Stop it!
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	That's one mother I liked her.
	You've got karma.
	Ooh, yeah, baby.
	And today we apparently say happy birthday to Mountain Vortex.
	One of our dudes named Ben who keeps everything running.
	I don't see him in the back channel.
	I don't know how old he is but we congratulate him of course.
	Matt Asprey says happy birthday to Terry.
	Celebrating on the 25th.
	Karen Schrock happy birthday to her husband Nigel.
	He turns 25 today.
	Chris Wilson says happy birthday to his son Felix.
	Seven on October 29th.
	Brian Wesley celebrating.
	And Amane Mehta.
	It's celebrating on the 25th.
	Happy birthday from everybody here at that outstanding product known as the best podcast in the universe.
	It's your birthday, yeah!
	Let me see what we have.
	I believe we have a title change, which is good.
	And this is for...
	Sir Harvey Lee becomes a baronet?
	Whee!
	Congratulations, my good sir.
	Looking forward to your...
	You have to tell me again.
	Where did that we come from?
	Someone sent it to me.
	I think it's just the funniest thing for some reason.
	It's great.
	I agree.
	It's a fan favorite.
	You know, it's the length, perhaps, or the timing.
	I don't know why it's so funny.
	It shouldn't be funny at all.
	There we go.
	Sorry.
	Let me see.
	Did we get a mountain vortex saying how old he is?
	No.
	Okay.
	Yes, you did that.
	All right.
	So, Sir Harvey Lee, looking forward to your next step on the ascension ladder, my friend, when you get a protectorate.
	And now it is time for a few knightings that we have.
	Sword, please.
	Here it comes.
	All righty.
	Let's see.
	We need Lauren to come up here.
	Her husband, Richard McCutcheon, sent her.
	We need Abene Mehta to step up, as well as Terry, whose husband, Matt Asbury, brought her onto the stage.
	Wow, this is going to be great because we got not one, but two dames and one knight.
	So I hereby pronounce the KD Dame.
	Oh, that's shit.
	Sir Abs, Knight of the Gitmo Nation East Deplorables, and Dame Terry of Tosa.
	For you, we've got hookers and blow-a-rent boys and chardonnay.
	We have half eggs with leaf sauce, Cuban cigars and single malt scotch, ass cream with bare fillings, bong hits and bourbon, ginger ale and gerbils, and mutton and mead.
	Still hard to get through it with my voice.
	I'm falling apart still from the physical problems.
	Oh, you still have that issue?
	It's better, but I'm at the tail end of it now.
	Oh, good.
	Thank you.
	A lot of people sending in all kinds of ideas for remedies and stuff.
	I'm good.
	Hey, for the three of you, for our two dames and oneites, go to knowageinternation.com slash rings.
	Make sure you give Eric the Show all of the info so we can get those rings to you post-haste.
	I'm very excited and we love it when you tweet something out so we can show that to the people what it's all about.
	All right.
	Yep.
	All right.
	I've got a couple things.
	Let's play this little thing.
	This was only, this again, not reported really by the mainstream media, because the problem is this thing began in, I think, 2005.
	There's a long investigation of this corrupt Chicago Police Department.
	I can use the word corrupt.
	And this is just the beginning of what was a 10-minute segment, but I just have a little bit that just kind of sums it up.
	Only Democracy Now!
	would play this.
	Chicago police officers who blew the whistle on a gang of their colleagues after they discovered they were demanding bribes from drug dealers in the housing projects of Chicago, arresting their rivals and blocking any internal investigations into their actions.
	The two whistleblowers, Shannon Spaulding and her partner, Danny Echeverria, spent five years working with the Chicago Police Department and the FBI in their case, only to be sidelined, outed as informants, threatened, and eventually forced out of the police department.
	In contrast, the named senior officials and cops who helped cover for their fellow officers were able to retire from the force with their pensions intact and face no punishment for their role in the cover-up.
	Spaulding says she has even received death threats.
	She and her partner both took stress-related medical leaves, and she's been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder.
	Their ordeal is chronicled in a four-part investigation published by The Intercept called The Code of Silence.
	Part one is headlined in the Chicago Police Department, if the bosses say it didn't happen, it didn't happen.
	Yeah.
	Well, what's interesting about this story, which is a whopper, and it just covers the whole corrupt scene, it was written by a somewhat famous local investigative reporter.
	Nobody would pick up the story.
	No, no, no, no, we're not going to run this story.
	And so you had to go to the Intercept.
	Who I will say, I catch myself reading more and more Intercept articles.
	Yeah, they finally got their act together after this early year.
	Where, you know, they bring an editor and he quit and he says this thing is a piece of crap.
	Nobody knows what they're doing, but they've stabilized and you're right.
	They've got some good stuff in there now.
	Yeah, and they've also limited what they're doing because that was my problem.
	You just let journalists go and they write, you know, 20 pages.
	It's too much.
	Yeah, no, that's why editors are, even though most writers aren't big fans of editors, editors are important for a lot of writers.
	Yeah, of course.
	I was at...
	We had this guy that was the editor of PC Computing.
	He was a friend of mine.
	There's two things that were fascinating about him.
	His name was John Zilber.
	He's now a PR guy.
	And Zilber was one of these guys who liked to write.
	And when he was a columnist or a writer or just a reporter, he would have editors that would stop him from going on and on.
	Once he got control of his writing, he's the editor now, he would write these unbelievably long hellos, you know, because the editors weren't supposed to say anything except, well, hello on this issue, we got this and that and the other thing.
	He would go on for days because no one could stop him.
	A lot of editors seem to be of the ilk that they understand why they need to be editors because they write too long.
	And the other fascinating thing about him is that he'd always try to do these puns for titles.
	And they were always dreadful.
	Like Confucius says, pretty much.
	Yes, well, kind of.
	But it's like anything else, if you keep doing something, this is like a message to everyone.
	You keep doing something, keep trying, keep trying, keep trying, and then all of a sudden, they were all gold.
	Oh.
	And so then you'd go to the point, could you give me a headline for this?
	Oh.
	I mean, that's how it was so...
	The headlines that he started to write were beyond good.
	Interesting.
	They were just like, wow.
	What happened?
	How did the change come about?
	I think just through...
	Trial and error.
	Fail.
	Failure.
	Yeah.
	Blog fails and never give up?
	Well, I'll say that one of the biggest problems of blogging and podcasts, I'll just take it there, is you don't have a station manager, program director, an editor, and you have to do that yourself.
	You have to self-edit.
	We do it on the fly.
	But I'll say the one thing we always talk about after the show is total length of the whole program and of bits and of clips.
	And what are we?
	And it's usually you telling me, that was too long.
	Hey, that was a pretty good impression.
	Usually that's true.
	You always tell me it's too long on the show.
	So there's that.
	But we try to do the show in 2 hours and 45 minutes, and we rarely hit it.
	Last show was short at 2.48.
	But generally speaking, they hit around...
	255, 305, 3 hours.
	And in a normal environment, even though people don't really object to the length of the show, but in a normal environment, they'd be fixed.
	No, you're done at this time.
	And what we're talking about here is thinking about what is too long?
	What is the length?
	What remains entertaining?
	It's not easy to do.
	I'm sorry.
	It's real easy.
	There are at least 10 guys in the chat room who could do a show.
	They know exactly how it works.
	Yeah, I think they should go do one and get out of the chat.
	In fact, I got some advice for them.
	Here, play the childhood...
	The woman says, Acme.
	Play the chat...
	Because these guys in the chat room, I think, have this problem.
	Your sins have to pop out somewhere.
	Little children have Acme.
	Why?
	I can tell you why.
	What little boys do in the bedroom at night.
	It's a natural process of the fallen creature, what he does in the bedroom at night.
	You tie his hands.
	The Catholics used to tie their hands.
	Tie the girls' hands.
	We're doing good.
	Tie them all you want.
	Because it's in their nature.
	It's a fallen nature, what they do in the bedroom at night.
	Why does he act me?
	That's why acne is on these young people's face.
	That's what they do.
	You are probably going to find this hard to believe.
	This is one of the clips that I accidentally deleted.
	I had this clip.
	So I'm going to give it to you.
	Clip of the day.
	I...
	I like that.
	And that was someone pretty well known, too, I think.
	That was Sister Something or Other.
	This was on a Joe Bob Briggs show.
	He did a show for about nine episodes in the 90s where he just ridiculed all these preachers.
	And he'd dig up clips like that.
	That was really funny.
	Summarizing a number of emails I've received...
	Regarding our little segment that we did on Evan McMullin, the CIA Goldman Sachs Mormon candidate.
	Yes, whose name keeps cropping up more and more.
	Why is he getting so many votes?
	He's so popular.
	Yeah.
	Adam, I'm sure you will get multiple emails about this.
	No, do you respond?
	They know you're busy.
	Not a Sir Johnorama.
	As a Mormon, I can promise you that Evan McMullin is not being funded by the Mormon Church.
	I guarantee it.
	The LDS Church constantly reaffirms its position as a politically neutral organization.
	It never condemns or endorses any political parties or candidates.
	Period.
	Period.
	Occasionally, the LDS Church will take a position on a specific piece of legislation, if the legislation directly addresses a specific moral issue, such as abortion, but they never endorse a specific candidate.
	I just read a letter from the pulpit last week, written by the First Presidency of the LDS Church, which encouraged church members to participate in the political process and to evaluate for themselves who to vote for.
	I'm an active member of the church.
	I've talked to dozens of my LDS brothers and sisters.
	That's Latter-day Saints, for those who don't know.
	About this election, and I've only met one, who was actually my sister, who was planning on voting for McMullen.
	Thank you for your courage.
	And of course I wrote back and said, hey, that's good, I'll clarify this.
	Although there is a difference between endorsing and funding, so we don't really know if there's no funding, because that's what I was talking about, but I'll take it at face value.
	Who do you think they're going to vote for?
	And he comes back and says, well, it's hard to say.
	The majority of Mormons are conservative, especially in Arizona.
	But there are many Democratic-leaning Mormons as well.
	I would guess that as a whole, there's a higher ratio of libertarians than there is in the rest of the U.S. population.
	I agree.
	Having been to Utah twice, having done meetups, several Latter-day Saints brothers and sisters were there.
	I agree.
	Very libertarian.
	But he does say, if I had to guess, I would say most Mormons will vote for Trump.
	How about that?
	No, it's possible.
	I think this guy's financed by the CIA. They're trying to screw up the election so they can get Biden in.
	It's a great plan.
	Split it all the way.
	And this guy could easily be number three.
	You never know.
	It could happen.
	So I appreciate the feedback.
	And I love our LDS brother and sister listeners.
	They always got interesting things to say.
	Yeah, well, they're isolated.
	Well, you know, a lot of people say, ah, Mormons are crazy.
	That's not my experience.
	At all.
	At all.
	So while you're reading notes, we do have a belated note from the last show from an associate executive producer who I mentioned that he should send a note in.
	And I guess he was an associate executive producer, Michael Martin.
	I'd like to ask for a thorough dedouching.
	I've been listening since around episode 650 and the guilt of not holding up my half of the value for value system has been messing with my karma.
	I'd like to ask Adam, you frequently discuss numerology on the show.
	What first piqued your interest in numerology?
	That was a question, just an open question.
	And finally, if it's not too much to ask, I'd like to look for that juice and a Trump bing bing bong bong.
	We can put that at the end for you.
	Oh, I'd love to do the bing bing bong bong at the end.
	Yeah, and that juice.
	Thank you for your passion and courage, Michael Martin.
	So, numerology.
	We have some reason.
	I think it's in one of our regular episodes, one of our review episodes, 200 point something, where we talk about this.
	And that's the answer to the question.
	No, answer the question.
	I'm looking for the bing, bing, bong, bong.
	Don't you get it by now?
	I'm trying to find this.
	Come on, yeah.
	Well, I'll tell you what.
	The numerology is not Adam's interest or my interest, either one of us.
	What happened was in the early days of the show when people would donate random numbers, and we mentioned all the donations from a dollar and up, because there weren't that many.
	And so we'd go through them.
	And there was always some people with crazy donations that meant something to them.
	It was a date, it was something, it was always some numerological thing.
	And then we noticed that when we asked for certain kinds of donations, like palindromes, for example, people like, I like that, and they'll donate.
	So numerology enters into the donation system because it seems to have an attraction.
	To a certain number of people, and it actually helps our donations.
	I don't know that there's any more to it than that.
	And I think it was, was it not 69, 69?
	That was a big one for us?
	Yeah, but that was just, that was, yeah, that was kind of lewd.
	I don't know if there's numerology or just lewd.
	Yeah.
	It was a big one.
	If we went for over a year with somebody donating $69.69, it was part of Carrie Schoen.
	It was an idea she presented.
	She's overboard.
	Since then, long overboard.
	She's long overboard.
	It was a winter for a while.
	It still crops up, but it's not important.
	Right.
	I have an update from the EU's.
	We don't talk about it much anymore because we've been just so incredibly busy with other things.
	The migrant situation continues to worsen by leaps and bounds.
	More than 800 of the estimated 3,300 migrants rescued by the Italian Coast Guard on Friday are brought to safety.
	They were picked up off one large boat, three smaller ones, and 20 rubber vessels.
	And these are the lucky ones.
	The bodies of seven dead migrants were also recovered.
	The German NGO Sea Watch says a speedboat marked Libyan Coast Guard attacked an overcrowded rubber boat in the early hours of Friday.
	Many of the occupants fell into the water and some of fear drowned.
	Libyan naval forces have denied the accusations.
	Trainings plan to start next week of up to 100 Libyan Coast Guard members as part of an EU operation.
	Yeah, I can't wait for that.
	Will there be machine guns on their lifeboats?
	And note the 33.
	3300.
	But man, 3300 in one day.
	It's outrageous.
	Just want to remind you of the humanitarian disaster of epic proportions that is taking place.
	And just politicized into numbers and stuff and deals.
	Can't do anything more than that.
	It's just sheer numbers.
	Yes, thanks to our policies in the Middle East.
	We did a great job of screwing over the EU. Yeah, oh yeah.
	Well, of course.
	Yeah.
	Call back to our artwork for the previous episode, Hillary Clinton dressed as Wonder Woman, had a reason which we didn't...
	Wasn't that an evergreen?
	The art?
	Yeah.
	No, the Wonder Woman art in the background was in Evergreen, but having Hillary's head on there, on that specific art piece, I could not find an example of that.
	My point is...
	Oh, you mean in our system?
	In our system, yeah.
	I think it was in Evergreen.
	Yeah, we had to go into the Evergreens and we found that piece, and...
	evergreen pile but but here's what's interesting this is very actual because last week or yeah in this past week wonder woman was chosen as the symbol for the united nations uh what yeah yeah let me let me read you the before i play the clip Uh, Wonder Woman UN. Hold on a second.
	I thought you knew this.
	No!
	I'm stunned by this.
	Yes.
	Wonder Woman named UN Ambassador.
	I'll read from CNN. Is this a Marvel character or DC? Whatever it is, somebody's done a masterful job of public relations.
	It's disgusting.
	I don't know if it's Marvel or DC. I know one thing.
	Our chat room will know.
	Yeah, give us something to do.
	The decision comes as part of a campaign to raise awareness on Sustainable Development Goals 5.
	What?
	Sustainable Development Goals 5.
	Five.
	They've got goals and now it's the fifth.
	Achieving gender equality and empowerment for all women and girls.
	Goal 5 is one of 17 goals set by the UN in 2015 to achieve a prosperous, protected planet.
	So I get it.
	Let's use a fictional character to show that this is malarkey.
	Oh, nice joke.
	Let's use a fictional character to insult the women of the world.
	Since her inception in the midst of World War II, the iconic female warrior superhero, made famous in DC Comics, has made great strides in displacing traditional female tropes, such as the damsel in distress, offering instead a strong, capable heroine such as the damsel in distress, offering instead a strong, capable heroine with a strategic mind and incredible fighting capabilities who ranks as among the finest in Okay.
	So first, you say something interesting, which is DC Comics.
	And this could be a deal.
	I would presume that they've licensed it.
	Oh, they have to.
	They can't just be using that.
	No.
	We need to look at the licensing for that.
	But you can imagine in today's political correct world, and our world of...
	Social justice warriors, this ain't playing very well.
	Let's talk to Gail over at CBS, who has the one and only Linda Carter, the original Wonder Woman, on the show.
	The UN didn't pick a female secretary general.
	It's a petition because you're getting this recognition and drawing some scrutiny because of the way you're dressed.
	No, but listen to what they're saying, though, Linda.
	A large-breasted white woman of impossible proportions, scantily clad in a shimmery, thigh-bearing bodysuit, with an American flag motif and knee-high boots, is not an appropriate spokeswoman for gender equality at the United Nations.
	She would, by the way, be a very appropriate spokeswoman for the No Agenda podcast.
	I think that would be perfect.
	Exactly.
	An appropriate spokeswoman for gender equality at the United Nations, and to that you say what?
	Can I say it?
	Probably not.
	I think it's ridiculous.
	You can say that.
	I can say it's bold.
	Why?
	Why do you feel that way?
	Because they're nitpicking on something that has nothing to do with anything.
	It is a superhero, number one.
	And that gender, it has nothing to do with anything.
	They want to pick on, you know, Wonder Woman is an idea.
	This is not the American flag.
	This is not...
	It's about fighting for freedom.
	Oh!
	Merga!
	Oh, God.
	This is great.
	So she's actually defending the use of the Wonder Woman character.
	Of course she is.
	Because she's got a gig.
	Hello?
	Exactly.
	There's a gig involved.
	There's a movie involved.
	And if you listen to the beginning, listen.
	The UN didn't pick a female Secretary General petition because you're getting this recognition.
	She's not getting the recognition.
	This is how dumb they are.
	You, Linda Carter, are getting the recognition.
	No.
	It's a fictional character, Wonder Woman, getting the recognition.
	Insanity of the elite acting class.
	You know, United Nations is so porous and corrupt.
	I guarantee you someone can get me the information of the licensing deal that was signed for this.
	And I'd like to know how much money it was.
	I'd like to know.
	What was the deal?
	You know, if the United Nations just said, oh, we're going to use Batman.
	Just to make it easier.
	Which is quite a franchise.
	You think for one second that there wouldn't be a problem with that?
	No, no.
	You're right.
	There's a deal that went down.
	Yeah, but I want to know what it is and why are they spending their money on this dumb shit?
	Well, there's that.
	For the movie!
	Yeah, of course.
	Oh, gee, I forgot.
	When is the movie coming out?
	Is it coming out soon?
	I don't know.
	The chat room knows.
	I've now decided not to go to the book of knowledge anymore.
	Just throw it to the chat room.
	Yeah, 2017, apparently.
	Okay.
	Well, it's a prelude.
	And we've fallen prey, too, since we used a Wonder Woman character in our...
	I know, I know.
	Oh, I love it how people say...
	Playing into the hands of Hollywood.
	I love how people say, you know, Adam, you just use the internet.
	Yeah, I'm doing a show, douche.
	What kind of feedback is that?
	I just told them why...
	The chat room is in a real funk today.
	Real funk.
	They know all, they know better.
	Names I know...
	It started with the smart stove, and it went downhill from there.
	Oh, the smart stove.
	It went downhill.
	I've seen a smart stove at Best Buy.
	What makes it so smart?
	It's got buttons.
	And it's got an LED. Connects to the web, man.
	And you hook it to the web, and you can turn on the burners.
	Hey, watch, watch, watch.
	I'm sitting on the couch, right?
	Watch, watch, watch, watch, watch.
	See?
	With my app, I turn the burner on.
	Huh?
	The cat was sitting on it.
	I got one more clip here.
	This is the weakest of the two Obama clips I had, so the other one will come on Thursday.
	I caught this huge fish.
	But it got away.
	But I did get this little trout.
	Here, yes, I have the trout version of the whale that is coming on Thursday.
	He did a 46-minute speech on Obamacare.
	Remember, this is all going down now because, you know, we've got that architect Zeke out there trying to smooth everything over and blame Republicans.
	So he did say this.
	And as I said, part of this is just, you know, health care is complicated.
	Think about this speech.
	It's been pretty long, and you're just thinking, wow, I just want to...
	Take a picture with the president or something.
	Which is some self-awareness there.
	So it's hard to get people focused on the facts.
	And even reporters who cover this stuff, and they do a good job, they're trying to follow all the debate, but a lot of times they just report premium increases.
	And everybody thinks, wow, my insurance rates are going up.
	It must be Obama's fault.
	It is.
	Even though you don't get health insurance through Obamacare, you get it through your job.
	And even though your increases have gone up a lot slower.
	No, they haven't.
	No, the increases are slower than they would have been.
	Oh, I see.
	You don't know what you're talking about.
	Yes, save or destroy jobs.
	It was...
	No, it was avoid or delay.
	That's what it was.
	It brought up a lot slower.
	Oh, yeah.
	Or suddenly you're paying a bigger co-pay.
	Thanks, Obama.
	Yeah.
	Thanks, Obama.
	That's a good one.
	That's a clip.
	That's an ISO. You don't think I had it ISOed already, Bob?
	Thanks, Obama.
	Sounds good.
	No, I had nothing to do with that.
	Yes, you did.
	So part of it is this is complicated, the way it gets reported.
	There's a lot of hysteria around anything that happens.
	Thanks, Obama.
	It's just hysteria.
	And it's not his fault.
	It's your job.
	Yeah, it's everybody's fault but his.
	Yeah, it's your job, man.
	Nothing's been his fault.
	I don't even have insurance anymore.
	I'm going with, I'll pay the fine and I'll negotiate for cash.
	There you go.
	We'll only have one last clip.
	I can't get in until the exchanges open up again.
	It opens up like in a day or two.
	Yeah, soon, I know.
	I don't think I can afford it.
	I'll see what's there, but I don't think I can afford it.
	It'll be like $7,000 a day.
	It's unbelievable how high it is.
	All right.
	This is a little thing to keep us up to date on what's going on.
	We're always chiding China.
	We're screwing around.
	We've got this Philippine guy.
	He's making trouble.
	This is the South China Sea.
	This is the latest update on harassment.
	A U.S. Navy warship sailed near disputed islands in the South China Sea today, drawing a stern rebuke from China.
	The USS Decatur drew close to the Paracel Islands, one of the territories contested by China and its neighbors, before two Chinese ships warned it to leave.
	China's defense ministry called the move illegal and provocative.
	Mmm.
	Here you go.
	Yeah.
	Well, we're up to date.
	Yeah.
	We're up to date for sure.
	Is that everything?
	Nothing else to do?
	I got a couple of things, but they can keep till Thursday.
	I just want one that makes me just feel good.
	Well, that's the one I don't have.
	I got one of those drug commercials I thought was interesting.
	Because this drug commercial has got more stuff on the screen.
	They've changed the law or something about these commercials.
	So instead of the guy having to warn you about all the bad things that are going to happen, they put it on the screen.
	It's like you have to read all this crap.
	You have to stop motion the playback.
	So they're not doing the disclaimer with the voice?
	No, they have a bunch of disclaimers apparently they have to do, but most of them are.
	It's a new drug for psoriasis that could kill you.
	I don't know how bad...
	What is psoriasis?
	It's like a skin flaking.
	It's a horrible looking thing.
	It depends on where it shows up.
	Oh, it's like you get the...
	I think dandruff is a mild form of psoriasis.
	Right, so it's like the white scaly skin.
	Yeah, or a big patch of...
	Yeah, it's horrible.
	It's horrible.
	It's borderline leprosy.
	And so here's the uplifting hard sell.
	These things should all be illegal, these commercials, but there's one for Tulsa.
	We're When you're close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment?
	If you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance of completely clear skin with Taltz.
	Taltz is proven to give you a chance at completely clear skin.
	With talts, up to 90% of patients had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques.
	In fact, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin.
	Ooh, 4 out of 10.
	What a great ratio.
	Yeah, I think vinegar gives you those numbers.
	How do you know if you're allergic if you haven't used it yet?
	This is great.
	Before starting, you should be checked for tuberculosis.
	Talk to me to increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them.
	Tell your doctor if you are being treated for an infection or have symptoms, or if you have received a vaccine or plan to.
	Wait, any vaccine?
	Yeah.
	Isn't that just anybody?
	I guess.
	If you have received a vaccine or plan to, inflammatory bowel disease can happen with TALTS, including worsening of symptoms.
	Serious allergic reactions can occur.
	Now's your chance at completely clear skin.
	Just ask your doctor about TALTS. You might not.
	Wow.
	4 out of 10.
	Here's your chance, like 40% according to their own advertisement.
	Just love that ratio.
	Well, there's 40% chance.
	We'll be back on Thursday.
	I think it's higher than that.
	Okay.
	I'll go with 99% chance.
	All right, all right.
	We will be here.
	All right, everybody.
	Thank you very much for being there in the chat room.
	Thank you for supporting our little podcast.
	If we can't get advertisers to peel off money and let us do our thing, it's up to you.
	Which means you need to remember us at thevorak.org slash NA. Moreover, because it will be our ninth anniversary show!
	And you know that promise is nothing but gelatinous goodness.
	Oh yeah.
	All right, amen.
	Ice cream, free ice cream for everyone.
	Coming to you from the Crackpot Condo here in the skyscraper in downtown Austin, Texas.
	On the map, you'll find it in FEMA region number six.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, and I don't remember the FEMA region, seven, six, five, three, I don't know.
	I'm John C. DeBorak.
	We'll talk to you again on Thursday right here on No Agenda, and I will then finally say in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	Adios, mofos!
	Oh my gosh!
	Can you see that juice?
	Whee!
	I pledge allegiance to the flag, to the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, and the regimen, that liberty and justice call.
	And a vital part of that movement This woman has never been satisfied.
	This woman has never been satisfied.
	or she believes in our dreams.
	This woman has never been satisfied.
	She believes in our dreams.
	She believes in our dreams.
	At long last, our wealthy, vindictive, paranoid, narcissistic, power-hungry president will have a vagina.
	A vagina.
	She'll have a vagina.
	Vigiene changes.
	A vagina.
	This woman has never been satisfied.
	This woman has never been satisfied.
	The greatest country on earth, we have always been about tomorrow.
	Your children and your children will bless you forever.
	Why are you laughing?
	God bless you.
	Thank you.
	Shut up.
	Shut up.
	We came, we saw, and died.
	Yay! Shit!
	Woo!
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
	whoa. whoa. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Why?
	Why?
	Oh, there's no winning.
	We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot.
	Now everyone hug and share a secret.
	Yay!
	We just need cash.
	I know a lot of people want to send blankets to water.
	Just send your cash.
	Yeah!
	Hooray.org slash ma.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Oh, no.
	It's different for the media.
	So everything you learn about this, you're learning from.
	It's different for the media.
	So everything you learn about this, you're learning from us.
	And in full disclosure, let's take a look at what is in there and what it means.
	She says one thing through WikiLeaks that she says one thing through WikiLeaks that she says one thing It's different for the media.
	So everything you learn about this, you're learning from us.
	Jeb Bush or Hillary or one of these politicians, all talk, no action.
	All controlled by lobbyists and donors and donors.
	All controlled by lobbyists and donors, donors, donors.
	All controlled by lobbyists and donors and donors.
	People like me from previous months.
	Okay?
	Bing, bing, bong, bong.
	Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
	They're going to call me.
	Not going to be any good.
	They didn't give me any money.
	Not going to be any good.
	They didn't give me any money.
	They didn't take care of me.
	I don't need it.
	I don't want it.
	I couldn't care less.
	Couldn't care less.
	You are going to love President Trump.
	China, China, China from China.
	And I love China.
	Nothing wrong with China.
	I love the Mexican people.
	They have tremendous spirit.
	They're taking your job, taking your money, they're taking everything.
	And I'm going to win the Hispanic Club.
	It's true.
	Thank you.
	China, China, China from China.
	You are going to love President Trump. China, China, China from China.
	You are going to love President Trump.
	You know what that is, right?
	Oh, my God.
	Adios, mofo.

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