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	Oh, Apple.
	Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.
	And Sunday, May 29th, 2016, a time once again for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 829er.
	This is No Agenda.
	Monitoring ban propagation to ensure maximum distribution.
	And broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star.
	Stayed here in FEMA Region 6, Austin, Tayhouse.
	In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm getting it right the first time, I'm John C. Dvorak.
	All right, fine, fine, fine, fine.
	You rock.
	I do.
	Yeah, you totally rock.
	Ah, right off the bat, still raining across the plains.
	Oh, yes, just get a weather report.
	You're right in the middle of it.
	Right now, we're really at the edge of it, so we keep getting a big douse of rain, lots of excitement in the sky, lightning, thunder.
	Hail?
	No hail.
	Rolling thunder.
	Rolling thunder, which is...
	It's almost like a...
	It sounds like a California earthquake can feel.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, the low note.
	And the low rolling, yeah.
	And of course, it's obvious where this comes from.
	We valiantly took to the rain sticks to help our Scandinavian friends, which the same night it started raining there.
	But as I already explained, when we do the rain sticks, it shows up in other places.
	And of course, me being in Texas makes nothing but sense.
	Well, at least you're not getting the hail.
	By the way, is your Airstream trailer outside or inside?
	That's a good question.
	It's supposed to be inside at the dealer.
	If it's not, and I get a hailstorm and it's dented, then they're going to have to deal with that, obviously.
	Not all hail causes dents.
	No, but if you live in Texas, you'll see cars driving around.
	You know what you do, right?
	You always have handy in case there's a hailstorm.
	Everybody has a big...
	Baseball bat.
	Yes, bat him back to the sky.
	No, everyone has heavy blankets in their car.
	Or near the car.
	Because you just throw the heavy blankets over and then you'll be safe.
	Over the car?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Hmm.
	Not while driving.
	I never heard that.
	Not while driving is a bad idea.
	I never heard that.
	That's interesting.
	So you were talking about the Greek guy.
	I wanted to get to that before we forgot to talk about it.
	We talked about it before the show.
	Oh, no.
	Well, we were just talking about clothing, about getting socks for Christmas and ties just before we started the show.
	And I was going to say that Vlad showed up in Greece and Under-reported here in the United States, of course, but I'm always looking at the European news.
	To have a little conversation about what could be going on, but it was so odd.
	You know, Vladimir Putin shows up.
	I got the clip here.
	Full military guard, the whole thing.
	Well, this wasn't even covered here.
	Of course not.
	Especially the full military guard.
	That looked nice.
	Red carpet, everyone all decked out, guns at the ready.
	But the prime minister is...
	What's his name?
	Cyprus?
	What's the prime minister's name?
	That's a Greek name.
	Yeah.
	Some Greek name, that would be correct.
	He was just wearing an open shirt collar.
	It was very strange.
	Did he have gold chains?
	He should have.
	Full military honors and a warm welcome for Russian President Vladimir Putin in Athens.
	At a joint news conference with Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras, Putin said Russian tourist numbers to Greece could jump threefold with improved visa arrangements.
	He also reiterated his position on Crimea.
	As for Crimea, he says, that question we consider to be closed completely.
	It was a historical decision made by the people living in Crimea, and Russia will not hold any discussions on this question with anyone.
	Vladimir Putin is visiting Greece as it searches for investors willing to help invigorate its ailing economy.
	While Moscow is looking for allies among EU members who could help lift or at least ease the sanctions imposed on Russia following its involvement in the Ukraine crisis.
	Now this of course all in the backdrop of a little G7 powwow.
	This is interesting.
	Yeah, it's very interesting, especially because the optics of the big military guard and then the laid-backness of the premier, you know, with no time.
	Hey, Vlad, how you doing, man?
	Come on, hang out.
	And this must be irking some people in, I don't know.
	There's a couple of things at play here.
	Yeah, I'll say.
	Well, one of them is the Turkey relationship with Russia.
	Yeah.
	Because they had a big falling out, and Turkey was one of the top spots where Russians used to vacation.
	Along with Cyprus, which, of course, is right off the coast of Greece.
	Cyprus, major, and also...
	Also, the French Riviera.
	Yes.
	That's where all the Russian oligarchs would go and blow their money and buy bottles of champagne for the whole place.
	Club 5 en 5, baby, Saint-Tropez.
	And they'd go nuts.
	And now that money is lost, and it looks like it's going to all end up in Greece.
	Well, they already own half of Greece, and they own beaches.
	In fact, I'm pretty sure they do.
	All of that was sold off.
	Well, let's just stick with F-Russia for a moment, then.
	A couple things going on.
	While we have this backdrop, NATO is about to start on a huge exercise known as...
	Ah, this is a good one.
	Operation Anaconda.
	Or otherwise known as Operation Big Swinging Dick.
	Look at us.
	Vladimir, here we are.
	Let's see.
	June 7th to 17th, 31,000 ground troops and sailors from 24 NATO and partner countries will stage enormous, according to Canadian News, enormous land, sea, and air exercises to block a hypothetical Russian incursion from the east.
	Yeah, that's always friendly.
	That's the way to do it.
	The State Department was questioned.
	Of course, they're always questioned about Russia and the sanctions and what has to happen.
	And I caught something which I didn't understand.
	Maybe one of our producers can help me figure it out, or maybe it's just not true what the spokeshold is saying.
	Today, the G7, including the U.S. president, adopted a declaration in Japan.
	Regarding the issue of Ukraine-Russia, they stress that G7 stands ready to take further restrictive measures in order to increase cost of Russia.
	Could you clarify this point and what circumstances would lead to that step?
	Well, I think, look, I'm just going to say that, you know, we believe sanctions need to stay in place regarding Russia and regarding its actions in Crimea as well as in eastern Ukraine until it meets sanctions.
	It's Minsk commitments and until it returns, which is a specific set of sanctions, as well as returns Crimea for another set of sanctions to its rightful owners, which is Ukraine.
	The path to alleviating sanctions is very clear.
	Russia needs to comply with its Minsk commitments.
	Now, the Minsk commitments, which I of course looked at again, says nothing about Crimea.
	I don't remember Crimea ever being in play.
	Crimea doesn't even show up in the agreement.
	Well, no, it may show up...
	Well, let me see.
	I have the actual text here.
	I don't think it even shows up.
	No, it doesn't even show up in the points.
	And the points are, you know, it's all about Donetsk and Luhansk.
	That's what it's mainly about.
	But there's not even something as vague as saying, you know, you have to...
	What do you say?
	Give it back?
	Yeah.
	Give it back to Ukraine.
	The rightful owners.
	Well, no, but the Ukraine, you know, they...
	It's sad.
	Yeah.
	But obviously, you know, Russia didn't take it over.
	They had a referendum.
	They didn't march people in there and take it by force.
	It was the Crimean public that voted it in, even though people are skeptical about that.
	Well, of course they're skeptical.
	Anyway, it's not in there.
	So I don't understand.
	Maybe it's impossible to achieve this.
	He's making it up as he goes along.
	Yeah.
	And I'm looking.
	There was a...
	I thought I had a clip of Vladimir Putin saying that that's not going to happen.
	Let me see.
	Where was that?
	Why is that not in the folder?
	He already played the clip where he said it's not going to happen.
	There was something else.
	It doesn't matter.
	It was something else.
	But, RT had a very, very funny report that I'm going to play this RT report first.
	No, wait.
	I'll play it in a different sequence.
	This is all about the boots on the ground.
	And of course, we've been following boots on the ground.
	We've been talking about the term boots on the ground by itself being just a horrible thing to say.
	It diminishes the feet and legs and bodies that are in those boots on the ground.
	And we had the big...
	A laugh session with Kirby and Matt Lee at the State Department.
	He said, no, no, we've never said boots on the ground wouldn't happen.
	We never said no boots on the ground.
	Gee, I don't know.
	Oh, no, that was a different kind of boots on the ground.
	So now we have some very irritating pictures from the Agent France Press AFP. And you've got to be thinking that this is done on purpose.
	Who runs AFP, John?
	This is, you know, it's considered to be a legitimate news organization, obviously.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Probably French intelligence and cahoots with MI6 and who knows who.
	Well, they came out with pictures, not just pictures, but also video of U.S. boots on the ground, on the front line.
	With forces that they were supposed to equip, what is it, train and assist, equip and assist, whatever it is.
	Yeah, something like that.
	Not only are they on the front line.
	Show them how to pull the trigger.
	With their obviously recognizable hardware, but they're wearing insignias of what Turkey believes to be the terrorists.
	And that, of course, is the...
	The PKK or the operation?
	No, it's the...
	They are...
	The Kurds?
	No, the People's Protection Units.
	That's the...
	That's the PKK. Yeah, but they have an insignia on their arm, which is YPG. YPG. Now, the Turks consider this to be the premier terrorist group.
	And so we're first going...
	And we're wearing this little...
	Our guys are wearing the YPG insignia on the front line.
	line.
	So this comes up in the press corps at the Department of Defense at the Pentagon.
	And I'm playing this for a number of reasons.
	One, so you can hear this is the denial that, of course, came first or the non-denial denial.
	But also listen to the journalist and the things she says and the belief she holds about, well, just facts, I guess, and truths, which is very worrisome if you look at the journalism being practiced today.
	As the Syrian Democratic Forces continue to push south towards Raqqa, as they clear an area of ISIS and they, quote-unquote, take that territory back, then the forward line continues to move south with them.
	But I think the thing that...
	Hold on.
	Stop, stop, stop and back it up.
	Stop.
	Stopping, backing up.
	RERAC. Quote, unquote, take the territory back?
	Yes.
	This is all the stuff that is so messed up with the press.
	What is she talking about, quote-unquote?
	Is the whole thing a fiction?
	She has a lot of these, but I can't explain why she's saying it.
	She drops quote-unquote?
	Yeah.
	So I'll be talking.
	I've got a quote-unquote clip for you, Adam.
	You can maybe quote-unquote play it for me.
	Well, that would depend.
	depend if it has to be on the clip wheel.
	Let me see.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	You lose a turn.
	I quote-unquote lose a turn.
	You totally lose a turn.
	I quote-unquote lose a quote-unquote turn, quote-unquote, unquote.
	So he's quoting somebody, I just don't know who.
	I presume it's the spokeshole.
	Well, you either quote somebody or you're using it in some sort of facetious or way to indicate that it's not true.
	There's a lot of reasons you'd say that, but I wonder if she did air quotes while doing it.
	No, because I saw her.
	No, she didn't, because I saw her.
	But she kept looking over her shoulder at some other journalist, and they're all nodding, and she would make grimacing faces like, it would be better with video, but let's listen again.
	As the Syrian Democratic Forces continue to push south towards Raqqa, as they clear an area of ISIS and they, quote-unquote, take that territory back...
	I don't know what it means, take that territory back.
	Maybe we call it take that territory back, but really what we mean is obliterating citizens?
	Maybe that's it?
	I don't know.
	There's more gems in this.
	Then the forward line continues to move south with them.
	But I think the thing that perhaps Louie and I, maybe everyone or others, is surprising to us is that we've consistently been told that these 250 or 300 U.S. forces that are there are back.
	Now, first of all, another thing that irritates me is the number of forces, of boots, of troops, whatever you want to call it, It is either 250, or it is 300, or it is 305.
	Is it so hard to give an exact number at that level?
	And when you say it's either, you know, 250, 300...
	Also unacceptable, to me.
	You know, that's a large percentage of 50 more or less.
	Is that we've consistently been told that these 250 or 300 U.S. forces that are there are back, are back, you know, in some sort of a more hardened base or structure or facility or something.
	They're cowering in place.
	There's a sheltering in place, cowering in the corner.
	...something doing their advising.
	But now it's clear from this AFP reporting that they're actually moving south with, they're moving south towards Raqqa with the SDF, as opposed to staying in one fixed location.
	And I understand that you can't confirm, but...
	I understand that you can't confirm, okay?
	She could say please confirm, but okay.
	And I understand that you can't confirm, but there's photographic evidence from an esteemed, you know, journalistic organization.
	And they take photographic evidence at face value, apparently.
	I find that troubling.
	There's so many examples of fake photography in the past decade alone.
	Journalistic organization.
	That proves it.
	So you don't even have to confirm it.
	It's true.
	So you don't even have to confirm it.
	Wow, giving him an out.
	It's not okay.
	Hey, here's the issue.
	We have photographic evidence, okay, that'll be proof for you, young lady.
	Would you please confirm that this is happening?
	And she says right there, hey, you don't even have to confirm it.
	Wow, that way to hold feet to the fire.
	Speaking truth to power, baby.
	You know, journalistic organization that proves it.
	So you don't even have to confirm it.
	It's true.
	We can see that it's true in the photos.
	So I guess that's the question is, now the U.S. troops, they are, rather than staying back and doing their training, they are now moving with the Syrians, moving forward with the Syrians towards Raqqa.
	I guess that seems to be a change from our understanding of what they were doing in the past.
	We haven't talked much about our forces on the ground in Syria for all the reasons I've described.
	And I'm not going to get into it further here other than to tell you about their mission, how they've conducted themselves.
	This is a dangerous situation for them.
	We're not going to do anything to expose them to greater risk at this point.
	They have been in close communication with the local forces on the ground, those commanders that they've been able to establish relationships with.
	And they're going to continue to do so, carrying out their mission, and again, not putting them in the lead of this fight, but providing that support role to those forces.
	And they're going to continue to do that.
	I think it's clear they're not in the lead of the fight, but it seems like they might be in the chase vehicle right behind the fight at this point.
	That's what the photos of the show.
	And she cracks a joke.
	They're in the chase vehicle.
	They're right there forward with the Syrians.
	I'll leave it for you to characterize what...
	Fast talking.
	She's taking one too many Adderall this morning.
	Yes, she has.
	Well, and this continued because then we obviously concluded that these boots were wearing the YPG Insignia on their uniform, which I have a funny RT clip about in a second.
	But first, oh, okay, how do we explain that away?
	And is this a typical behavior?
	I don't know.
	Have you ever...
	I mean, I know that in World War II, you know, if we were behind enemy lines, we might dress up as Nazis to try and do something, you know, to trick them.
	But is this typical behavior?
	That we act as foreign?
	Why would they want to even get in there?
	They're not members of that.
	There's probably even some regulation or maybe even a rule about...
	I think there are plenty of rules.
	I'm sure we have a lot of military guys that will tell us what they are, but you can't just swap uniforms around.
	Oh, I'm in the Navy now.
	Alright, so how do we explain this away?
	Well, the Pentagon has answers.
	First of all, you know our policy here with regard to our Special Operations Forces, that we're not going to talk very much about their activities, where they are and what they're doing, for obvious reasons.
	They're carrying out a mission.
	They are exposing themselves to significant risk.
	And I'm not going to do anything up here that in any way gives anyone the ability to identify where our forces are operating and what they're up to at any moment in time.
	Hope you would understand that.
	I do.
	I appreciate that concern, but these are photos that are now publicly available.
	From the video that I've seen, it appeared that there wasn't any real reluctance to not be filmed, to not be photographed by the Special Operations Forces.
	So here we have something now on the record in the public domain, and it's clearly US forces with the YPG insignia.
	So my question is, is it appropriate to have a YPG badge on your shoulder?
	I'm not going to comment about specific photos.
	What I will say is that Special Operations Forces, when they operate in certain areas, do what they can to, if you will, blend in with the community to enhance their own Yeah, that huge gun he's carrying really blends in with the community.
	Hey, that camo and NVGs, you're blending right in, my friend.
	I didn't notice you!
	Protection, their own security, and Special Operations Forces in the past have worked with partners and in the past have conducted themselves in such a way that they...
	That they might operate in an atmosphere in which they are supportive of that local force and they're advised in an assist role.
	And they might be, again, for visual purposes.
	Visual purposes.
	It's the new optics.
	For visual purposes.
	Fitting in with the local community.
	Fitting with the community.
	I'm not going to get into describing it other than Our forces need to take the steps that they need to take in order to carry out their mission and to protect themselves and take every available step they can take to try and, again, carry out their mission and be safe in the process of doing so.
	Okay.
	Now, this does come to a head, finally, but not before.
	Russia today pretty much did a no-agenda package on this whole deal.
	It was so no agenda-like that I think we might want to send them an invoice.
	U.S. Special Forces have been photographed for the first time in Syria helping Kurdish fighters as they advance on Islamic State's de facto capital Raqqa.
	The pictures were snapped by an agency reporter for AFP. Pictures kind of give it away.
	The low-profile helmets, the unique camouflage, the latest weaponry that doesn't go for export, advanced and expensive communications gear.
	These are American troops, and they're armed to the teeth.
	Yet, Washington maintains that they aren't there to fight.
	They are not on the forward line.
	They are providing advice and assistance.
	And, again, I'm not going to get into details, but that mission has not changed.
	Their role has not changed.
	They are not leading this fight.
	They are supporting those forces that are at the leading edge.
	Funnily enough, YPG-STF, sorry, official...
	Now, this is a great kicker.
	Let's roll that back for a second.
	You're going to love this.
	This is so typical.
	Funnily enough, YPG, SDF, sorry, officials on the ground are reportedly saying that these guys are everywhere.
	They're on the ground, they're in the air, they're on the front lines where the fighting is taking place, fighting against ISIS. So clearly, you know, if you listen to them, they're involved in the fight.
	We've heard for a while Obama promised there'd be no boots on the ground in Syria.
	Well, now you have boots on the ground in Syria.
	Funny thing is, though, insignia.
	Often the insignia, American flags, are missing from their uniforms.
	And you have them, American Special Forces, with YPG and, in this case, YPJ. That's an all-female unit of Kurdish fighters.
	This is the best part.
	They don't actually have the YPG insignias.
	They have the YPJ, which is the all-female...
	The women.
	So our guys are wearing...
	Maybe that's just...
	Oh, wait a minute.
	That must not...
	Hey, what do we got for badges, man?
	All we got is this box.
	That's good.
	Yeah, YPGJ, whatever.
	I think that's right.
	Slap it on!
	Have them, American Special Forces, with YPG and, in this case, YPJ. That's an all-female unit of Kurdish fighters with their insignia on instead.
	Certainly, you know...
	We are so dumb.
	I can't believe that.
	Well, it might have been done on purpose just to humiliate the other side.
	Well, that's possible.
	Also, these may be mercenaries.
	It may not be, you know, enlisted.
	This is what I'm not fully understanding, which is why the Defense Department guy said, we don't know who these people are.
	You say they're an American.
	The AFP say they're Americans, but we have no evidence of that.
	And they're not wearing any American flag or anything.
	What makes you think they're Americans?
	Why didn't they go in that direction?
	Plausible deniability.
	Yeah.
	Well, they bring some more up here.
	That goes along with the American line with no boots on the ground, though it's no secret.
	And Washington, in fact, has perhaps been taking it as a bit of a joke.
	I mean, there's no point in arguing the boots on the ground rhetoric.
	It's absolutely no point.
	I'm not disputing the fact that we have troops on the ground and they're wearing boots.
	So, there you go.
	Somebody in Syria is wearing boots.
	So has Turkey reacted?
	What have they got to say about it?
	It's no surprise.
	Turkey is hacked off, really.
	That's a fine Russian term.
	The Turkish foreign minister now saying that, well, take a listen for yourself.
	It is not acceptable for U.S. soldiers to wear YPG terrorist arm badges.
	This is Double Standards.
	Two-Faced.
	YPG has made more progress against the Islamic State than anyone else.
	Yet Turks consider these guys, as well as all Kurdish military units apart from Iraqi ones, to be terrorists.
	Blanket.
	And you now have the United States, a Turkish NATO ally, their special forces wearing YPG insignias.
	So, you know, Turkey's understandably very upset about this one.
	Somewhere I had a clip of the full statement from the Turkish Prime Minister who said, hey, they might as well just be wearing ISIS, Daesh, Boko Haram insignias.
	I can't believe I can't find it because it was a very nice clip.
	But anyway, all of this did result in the following as per the Pentagon.
	The fact of the matter is, you know, it's not authorized.
	So in this case, you know, they were directed to remove the patches.
	As far as any additional reprimands or anything like that, I'm not aware.
	But the bottom line and the important thing is that the situation has been corrected and that we have communicated to our allies that such conduct was inappropriate.
	What do you mean to our allies?
	Turkey.
	Oh, okay.
	Our allies, that such conduct was inappropriate.
	I gotcha.
	And it was unauthorized.
	The Turkish Foreign Minister, Mevlut Çoğusulu, vented his country's anger.
	They should also wear Daesh, Al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda insignia during their operations in other regions of Syria.
	They can also wear the Boko Haram insignia when they go to Africa.
	The YPG is the most powerful Kurdish Syrian militia backed by the US, currently engaged in fighting ISIL, close to the group's de facto capital Raqqa.
	I think that is worth a mention on network news, on the 3x3, if the Turkish Prime Minister says, hey, you boots in American boots, you should wear Boko Haram and Senya when you're near them.
	You should wear Daesh.
	There was nothing on any of the networks about any of this.
	No.
	They just ignored it.
	They'd rather talk about the riots in San Diego and the Trump stuff.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I do have one report on I want to play out.
	I got a couple things.
	I got a couple things.
	What you got?
	Well, I'm starting to go back to listen to NBC so I can see how Katie Turr is doing, the Trump hater.
	And now she's just basically lying.
	I think it's pretty sad the way this goes.
	I want to discuss this aspect of the phony baloney debate that was supposed to happen between Bernie Sanders and Trump.
	Yes.
	Now, was this actually set up by Jimmy Kimmel?
	Was that where it came from initially?
	I have the...
	Oh, you have the genesis.
	Yes, okay.
	I have the whole genesis, and I want everyone to pay careful attention.
	This was a supposed question left by Bernie on the Kimmel Show to Ask Trump.
	And here we go, debate clip one.
	I think it's very unfair what's happening to Bernie Sanders, actually.
	And it's a system that's not a good system.
	I asked Bernie Sanders because he's going to be here tomorrow to ask a question.
	Thank you.
	Have you met Bernie?
	Have you guys ever met before?
	I've never really had the privilege.
	I see.
	Okay, so here's the question from Bernie.
	He asked, Hillary Clinton backed out of an agreement to debate me in California before the June 7th primary.
	Are you prepared to debate the major issues facing our largest state and the country before the California primary?
	Yes or no?
	He wants to know if you will debate him.
	Yes, I am.
	How much is he going to pay me?
	You would do it for a price?
	Yeah, because if I debated him, we would have such high ratings, and I think I should take that money and give it to some worthy charity.
	So if it was done for charity, you would agree to do that.
	If he paid a nice sum toward a charity, I would love to do that.
	Okay, so what we have established...
	Bernie's idea, Bernie's concept, done on the Kimmel Show.
	Clip 2 reiterated the next night.
	And on the show last night, I asked Bernie Sanders to give me a question to ask Donald Trump, and vice versa.
	And Bernie's question was, will you debate me before the California primary on June 7th?
	And Trump said he would if the debate raised a lot of money for charity.
	It would be very unusual to have a debate like this, which made for a lot of chatter today on cable news.
	Can I interrupt for one second with a comment about the charity thing and rich people?
	Yeah.
	Back when I was rich, it's very easy when you have a lot of money to say, but I'll do something and give the money to charity.
	I just wanted to point out a minor observation, not really...
	That important, but it is very interesting where no matter what you do as a celebrity, you don't even have to be rich, but as someone who is famous, everyone's pretty much okay with what you do.
	But whenever you go and, like, it's particularly with lawsuits, if you fight someone for your right, and I've sued many publications for copyright infringement, the minute you win money...
	Which, of course, is going to be a public document.
	The whole...
	Well, in this case, in the Netherlands, the whole country says, well, you really better be giving that to charity, man!
	It's really...
	It's an odd thing.
	It's like when you apparently have money and success and fame, if you fight and you win, people are always calling for you to give it to charity.
	Right?
	It's very odd.
	On this show, we should be able to trace that to something.
	Because that is a commonplace.
	It's a societal thing.
	And Trump himself, when he said, how much are you going to pay me?
	Then he had to think twice about it.
	And then he came up with the charity thing, because at first he was thinking, yeah, I paid it, I can get some money out of this, sure, I'll do it.
	Yes.
	And then he said, oh my God, I can't even say that, I gotta, you know, he's thinking to himself, and then he says charity, and he brings up the charity thing.
	Yes, and that's exactly how it works.
	That's at the point where he actually lost interest.
	Of course, of course.
	Ah, crap, screw the charity.
	But so he's not, you know, he's not doing anything.
	All right, anyway, that was an assault.
	Now, so we have, so we have this establish what happened.
	Bernie came up with this idea.
	Trump said, well, maybe for charity we could do it, and that's the way it ends.
	But no.
	And so Trump backs out of the thing.
	And the next thing you know, the networks, and we'll start with the worst offender, which is Terry Turr of NBC. Yeah.
	They've restructured the story completely and lie about it.
	She's an unconscionable liar.
	She's terrible at this report.
	Here she is, blaming the whole thing on Trump.
	This is clip three.
	Mr.
	Trump is known to change his mind many times in a day.
	The presumptive GOP nominee first suggested the debate on Jimmy Kimmel Tuesday night in a bid to diminish Hillary Clinton.
	Now Sanders is trying to hold Trump to his word, daring him to get back in the ring.
	He's a bully.
	He's a big, tough guy.
	Well, Mr.
	Trump, what are you afraid of?
	It was Trump's idea now.
	It was Trump's idea, and then she plays these negative clips about Bernie calling him out as a coward, a bully, and an idiot, and she plays this thing, full cloth, she made this up.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay, well let's go back to ABC where the clip played originally.
	This time they clipped from the original...
	ABC or CBS? I think it's CBS. The last one is actually ABC, which is where this showdown began.
	So you'd think they would get it right.
	But even ABC cheats.
	They don't cheat as much as she did.
	She just lied.
	But they cheat and give kind of a false presentation.
	Trump is holding a rally in California.
	There are protesters outside.
	Carter Evans is...
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Stop, stop, stop, stop.
	You're right.
	This is CBS. That's what I was trying to tell you.
	Yeah, you were telling me, and I'm looking at the clip.
	You're right.
	Yeah, and this is...
	By the way, this is Jane Pauley, who substitutes.
	Yeah.
	And she has this...
	I didn't know what she was doing.
	I haven't seen her in a long time.
	I watch for her now.
	She is interesting to listen to because when you watch her, she looks natural, sounds natural, but when you listen to her, she's a terrible prompter reader.
	But anyway, go on.
	Sorry.
	Okay, we'll start again.
	Trump is holding a rally in California.
	There are protesters outside.
	Carter Evans is on the scene.
	Carter.
	Hey!
	Jane, inside the San Diego Convention Center, Donald Trump addressed thousands of supporters, but California is fertile ground for the anti-Trump movement.
	And there are a lot of protesters here, as you can see behind me.
	And as the crowd grew, they also got angrier.
	San Diego police were hoping to keep supporters and opponents apart.
	But late this afternoon, riot police intervened, making arrests.
	This protester was beaten with batons.
	But while the protests were mostly peaceful, the crowd was hardly calm.
	There is little doubt of where they stand and emotions have boiled over.
	This rally has also featured a broad array of protesters, not just Latino groups, but Muslims, union leaders, and members from the LGBT community.
	Members of the LGBT community who live somewhere, I think, in Maine.
	Well, that's not the clip I wanted.
	No, I get it.
	What do you want?
	Well, no, I mean, I was just, it was a backup to the Katie Turr clip, and it was ABC doing the same thing, only they misrepresented the whole case by re-editing the thing.
	I don't think you have a clip about that here.
	I'm looking, because I remember clipping it.
	Well, no, I don't think so.
	Okay, well, I went through a lot of trouble.
	Do you remember what was on it?
	Yeah, I remember exactly what was on it.
	And it was on ABC just as I had set it up, and then, oh well.
	Do you want to tell us?
	Yeah, ABC did the same thing that Katie Turr did, only what they did was they took from the Kimmel show...
	And they left all the part out about Bernie, and they started off with Donald, if you listen to that original clip, number one, where he says, yeah, I would like to debate, well, no, when we debate, I'd like to do this, I'd like to do that, as though he had set the whole debate up.
	They left the actual setup off the clips.
	Perfect.
	And it was very well done, if you don't mind the fact that it was misleading.
	So, and exactly why, because I remember clipping it to it.
	Well, why don't you look for that?
	I'm going to give us a little overview from Euroland with Euronews, who will give us their take on the...
	The elections and the world according to Donald Trump.
	I think it's important to hear what the messaging is in Eurolands.
	Until now, Donald Trump has got to where he is, the Republican presidential nominee in waiting, with a mixture of bluster and boasts, the simplistic formula.
	Bluster and boasts?
	It's such a simplistic formula, is it not?
	Bluster and boasts.
	Chimes with Americans fed up with the established parties.
	He's been notably policy light, but with the nominations sewn up, Trump is now making policy pronouncements.
	And they're sending shivers down the spines of many.
	America first, this is Credo.
	They're sending shivers down the spines of many.
	This is so great.
	This is all conjecture, I'd say.
	I would think.
	They're sending shivers down the spines of many.
	Policy pronouncements.
	And they're sending shivers down the spines of many.
	America first is his credo in America that is rich and great again.
	He wants to run the country like a company.
	I don't think he's ever said that.
	No.
	It may be implied, but he's never said that.
	His critics say he will run America and the rest of the world into the ground.
	Yes, this sounds...
	How's he going to do that?
	Well, another thing...
	The clip is not over, but another thing that is coming back, and it's the big meme on the face bags now, the most important reason Donald Trump cannot become president, because as the president of the United States, and here it is, the leader of the free world, you see, everyone's concerned...
	Wait a minute, something's wrong here.
	No, I just...
	Everyone's very concerned that...
	He's going to annihilate the universe.
	But the problem, and this is of course mainly from anti-Trump, so I would say people who are not conservatives, the problem is the arrogance of saying our president is the leader of the free world is part of the actual problem in my opinion.
	I agree.
	Who the hell wants to hear that over and over again?
	And it's quite the opposite.
	Donald Trump is not saying he wants to be the president or the free leader of the world.
	He's saying, well, we should talk to everybody, figure it out.
	But this is...
	Well, and Russia in particular.
	Russia, China.
	Well, I got some of that.
	He's got everybody freaked out.
	Speaking to the APAC-American Jewish gathering, he announced a significant change in company policy.
	Were the White House to fall under Trump...
	Did he just say company policy?
	Yeah, that's what he said.
	What does that mean?
	Well, I think he means country policy, but now he's considering the United States a company, I guess.
	Let me see.
	What was that?
	In a Jewish gathering, he announced a significant change in company policy were the White House to fall under Trump management.
	We will move the American embassy to the eternal capital of the Jewish people, Jerusalem.
	Until recently, these radical positions and others, plus the outsider character of Donald Trump, meant the Republican establishment hated him.
	But now it looks like he might win.
	None of that matters.
	Trump says he admires Vladimir Putin.
	He's already squaring up to take on China and says he's ready to talk with North Korea's Kim Jong-un.
	I would speak to him.
	I would have no problem speaking to him.
	At the same time, I would put a lot of pressure on China.
	We have tremendous power over China.
	China can solve that problem with one meeting or one phone call.
	I'm Donald Trump.
	Trump's simplistic vision of the world continues into radical Islam and the war on it.
	Donald Trump calls it radical Islamic terrorism.
	While Washington and the checks and balances in the American system ensure much of this will be watered down, on this evidence Trump could be a wrecking ball.
	A wrecking ball!
	In terms of foreign policy.
	A wrecking ball.
	Stop illegal immigration by building a wall on our southern border that Mexico will pay for.
	We will make America great again.
	On Thursday, he delivered the cherry on the cake, promising to build a pipeline, cancelled by President Obama on environmental grounds, and to ignore yet another international treaty.
	Also very, very slippery to say that, that he promised to build the pipeline.
	First of all, he's not going to build the pipeline.
	He asked for the Canadians to resubmit their application.
	Very different.
	But this is how the mainstream operates.
	Well, that's because everybody, yeah.
	Scammers have got to stay in office is what the problem is.
	And it's unfortunate that Trump became the guy now that you know what to do.
	Well, I have some info on this.
	Nor yet another international treaty.
	So foreign bureaucrats are going to be controlling what we're using and what we're doing on our land in our country.
	No way.
	One more thing, by the way.
	No, he's talking about...
	Climate change.
	Canceling the TPP. No, he's talking...
	In that case, he's talking about the Paris Climate Agreement.
	Right, and the Paris Climate Agreement.
	But he's mainly talking about killing this Trans-Pacific Partnership.
	Yeah, the TTIP. Now every left-winger and Democrat, everybody is on the same boat on this.
	There's a secret agreement.
	We don't like it.
	It should be stopped immediately.
	So Trump says the same thing and everyone's all, oh, I can't do that.
	We made these agreements.
	This is actually what the Democrats in the United States are saying.
	They don't want it.
	It's the Democrats who don't want T-tip.
	Right.
	Actually, most of the Republicans won it.
	It's true.
	Yeah.
	Well, there was a...
	I usually watch the overtime, but I caught a little bit more of Bill Maher in the most recent episode.
	And on the show was the guy who was frying a lot of people's brains in the United States because everybody loves Dilbert.
	Everybody adores Scott Adams.
	Everybody does.
	From all walks of life, from all sides of the aisle.
	But as we know, he's been saying Donald Trump will become the president for quite a while now.
	Yeah, he's been in on Trump almost since the beginning.
	And this must confuse people, because how can this guy who so understands exactly what it's like to work for an organization like the Trump Organization, how can he do this?
	This is horrible.
	That's why it's not discussed very much.
	So he was on Real Time with Bill Maher, and he explained exactly how he's come up with his analysis.
	Things I did not know and love this guy.
	You are really an expert on persuasion, so I've been trying to invite people on the show who could explain how we might defeat Donald Pumpkinhead.
	And tell me your thoughts on that.
	First of all, I'm a trained hypnotist.
	A trained hypnotist?
	Yes.
	Did you know this?
	Well, he's a friend of mine, by the way, so I might as well mention that.
	Oh, okay.
	And so you did know that?
	And that's why I wanted to mention that, because I did not specifically know that.
	Okay.
	I used to know him when he was...
	He used to be an ISDN expert at Pacific Telephone.
	There's a job that's gone away.
	Yeah, well, I can tell you a couple of anecdotes.
	Well, maybe after the clip.
	That might be fun.
	Trained hypnotist.
	Trained hypnotist.
	Yes, I learned hypnosis in my 20s.
	I actually went to school for it.
	May we have a volunteer from the audience.
	I've been studying persuasion for decades, and when I saw Trump last summer displaying the tools of persuasion, I thought, oh my god, he's not a crazy clown.
	everything he's doing, including his complete ignoring of the facts, is persuasion perfection.
	And I called him to be the landslide winner in the general election last year because the tools he's using, essentially he's basically taking a flamethrower to a stick fight.
	There's nobody using the same tools he's using.
	So his complete ignoring of facts...
	Are actually part of the persuasion because he doesn't give you targets, he doesn't give you details of his policies usually.
	So he's reducing the number of targets while making you feel good and focus on the things he wants.
	So it's not about facts, it's about focus and attention.
	He also seems to be a master of branding.
	You know, we see this.
	He never, ever says the word Hillary now without crooked before.
	Crooked Hillary.
	Crazy Bernie.
	I mean, this is like sixth grade level stuff, but that's the level.
	No, so wrong.
	I love this.
	You should have seen Marr's face when he said, no, you're wrong.
	You're so wrong.
	This has nothing to do with sixth grade behavior.
	You're so wrong.
	I thought Marr was going to bust his gut.
	What?
	But it's six-year-old behavior.
	Everyone is saying it.
	We all know it.
	It's a schoolyard bully.
	Crooked Hillary.
	Crazy Bernie.
	I mean, this is like sixth-grade level stuff, but that's the level...
	So wrong.
	No, so wrong.
	That is the best persuasion you'll ever see.
	When I heard low energy, I called...
	Low energy, right.
	Yeah, I called the end of Bush that day because that is a sticky insult.
	So these are not random insults.
	I'm not saying they're random.
	I'm not saying they don't work.
	I'm just saying he brands people.
	Low energy.
	He still doesn't understand.
	Crazy, crooked.
	No, but there's something else to it.
	He's working on confirmation bias.
	When you see anything come out in the news that looks like maybe Hillary Clinton did something a little bit suspicious, you say, crooked Hillary.
	So he's setting these up so that you're reminded of them.
	It really comes in...
	I mean, it looked great this week when that report came out.
	It fed right into the narrative.
	Right.
	And Lying Ted, same thing.
	Right.
	He's a politician.
	He's going to say something that somebody's going to call a lie.
	And when they do, the nickname just pops in your mouth.
	I remember when he called Dr.
	Ben Carson the sheriff of nodding off.
	And then...
	And by the way, he A-B tests this just like software people do.
	So he says these nicknames in front of people.
	He sees the reaction and then he uses them.
	The brilliant thing he did recently was he came up with a second one for Clinton.
	He said, well, is she heartless?
	Is it heartless Hillary?
	Or is it crooked Hillary?
	And he actually made people debate whether she was more heartless or more crooked.
	And that's all intentional.
	Oh, man.
	Thank you, Scott Adams.
	Yeah, actually, if you've been reading his blog...
	I have, of course.
	That's where he started bringing this stuff into play.
	I know, but I had to wait months for a clip, and here it is.
	Yeah, I'm surprised.
	Yeah, it had to be mind-boggling.
	And it was interesting to see how, which is unusual, to see Bill Maher defer so much.
	Yeah.
	And get pretty much put in his place.
	Yeah.
	Well, the whole show was...
	Was odd.
	Melissa Harris Perry was on the show.
	She must have been flat-footed.
	And I have a clip.
	She was wearing a t-shirt that just had one big word across her chest, which said, Flawless.
	Oh my god, really?
	Yeah, I guess it's kind of a joke, I guess.
	Probably not.
	So she's wearing a t-shirt that says flawless across the chest.
	And it was a t-shirt, but around her neck, she had like a Harry Winston diamond array.
	I'm sure it wasn't real, but if it were real, it would have been $50 million.
	So I'm just blinging at you the whole time.
	And this was actually in overtime.
	This was not on the show.
	This was only on the YouTube video.
	And it has nothing to do with Trump, so we'll get back to the politics, but it was on the show.
	Melissa Harris-Perry, as a professor, do you find there is a culture of political correctness on college campuses that is stifling debate and learning?
	Hmm.
	I don't, but I do think students are...
	There's no atmosphere of political correctness on campus?
	I don't find that, no.
	And that's her!
	I teach at Wake Forest University, but I do think that students are struggling with this.
	Struggling.
	And I feel like...
	Because lots of comedians won't even play colleges anymore because nothing's funny.
	Oh.
	That has not been my experience.
	Oh, man!
	I mean, I was telling Wayne that I've got these 22 students and we went to Iowa, New Hampshire, both South Carolina.
	And when she talks, she continuously makes circle motions in the air and on the desk from the outside in.
	I'm not sure what it means, but she's always making circle motions with both fingers sometimes.
	We have to go in.
	We have to do this.
	Her hand, her body language is phenomenal.
	The primary is the North Carolina primary.
	They're Democrats and Republicans, and I would assign them to work for candidates, even if they're not from that party.
	And they threw themselves into it.
	So I had Republicans working for Bernie and Democrats working for Rubio.
	You're so radical.
	They were very much into it, but they are struggling with it, and we don't have good language for talking to each other across the country.
	We don't have good language for talking to each other.
	They were very much into it, but they are struggling with it, and we don't have good language for talking to each other across difference.
	We don't have good language for talking to each other across difference.
	Across difference?
	Is that what she says?
	Yes, and she says it again in a minute.
	We don't have good language to, was it something?
	For talking to each other across difference.
	I don't think you can use the word difference that way.
	It's very awkward.
	It's like talking over a river, you know.
	Or Rubio, and they were very much into it, but they are struggling with it, and we don't have good language for talking to each other across difference.
	And I don't know that we're doing a good job in this country giving our young people good tools for having conversations across difference.
	But I think that's our fault, not theirs.
	We need good tools?
	This is a professor.
	She's nuts.
	She's a professor, just so you know.
	The announcer at the Hillary Clinton UFCW. That's a union, I guess.
	That was a wrestling group.
	United Federation of something.
	Car workers?
	No, that would be auto workers.
	CW. Oh, that's U-A-W. Oh, of hams.
	The United Federation of Ham Radio Operators will operate on Morse code only.
	He obviously went to college.
	Brothers and sisters of UFCW, please welcome your international president, Mark Perot, and the future president of the United States, Secretary of Treasury, Hillary Clinton.
	Secretary of the Treasurer.
	Secretary Treasurer?
	No, he said Secretary of Treasurer.
	It was even better.
	Mark Perot and the future President of the United States.
	Secretary of Treasurer, Hillary Clinton.
	Secretary of Treasurer.
	Secretary of Treasurer.
	We laugh about Trump's anal setup of everything, but he may be playing Tiny Dancer, but at least they don't call him Secretary Treasurer.
	Morons.
	And then I couldn't find out what party it was.
	There was some elitist party that Gail, Oprah's girlfriend on the CBS morning shows there with Charlie and Nora, that she went to.
	And this show, I would say she's not a journalist, but she does ask poignant questions of guests.
	And, you know, it is supposed to be a news crew kind of working in the morning there with new stuff.
	But she was quite unbelievable.
	Not in spirit or the letter of the law.
	So John, put it in perspective, how big a deal is this really?
	I was in an event last night and both Democrats and Republicans were quoting Bernie Sanders saying, I'm sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails.
	But that was a long time ago and he's since changed some of that.
	Yeah, he has, but the people at this party last night haven't.
	Is this going to improve anybody's...
	But listen, I was with a whole bunch of important people and they said they don't care.
	I don't understand.
	How does that work?
	They did not care.
	That's a crazy clip.
	By the way, it's the United Communications workers, the guys who went on strike against Verizon.
	Right, Verizon guys, yes.
	Start to play that whole clip again.
	I'm glad you like it.
	Not in spirit or the letter of the law.
	So John, put it in perspective.
	How big a deal is this really?
	I was in an event last night and both Democrats and Republicans were quoting Bernie Sanders saying, I'm sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails.
	But that was a long time ago and he's since changed some of that.
	Yeah, he has, but the people at this party last night haven't.
	So how big a deal is this?
	Is this going to improve anybody's...
	Clearly, those people matter.
	Who gives a crap about everyone else?
	It's the people at my party.
	Is this going to help their kid get into a college and not be full of debt for the rest of their life?
	No, but it's about judgment and character, and we look at our presidents that way.
	And the challenge for Secretary Clinton is, in the answers, are they going to raise new questions?
	In other words, when she says it was allowed and it was fine and I've been transparent, and then you have an inspector general, not just a political opponent, but an inspector general saying the opposite thing, people are getting a firm I have no idea why I left all of that on the clip.
	I actually liked hearing that because this guy, John Dickerson, kind of fascinates me because he seems to be extremely neutral, but I just can't believe that's true.
	But I can't figure out what side he's on.
	I'm almost tempted to think he's a Republican of some sort.
	Or maybe a Libertarian, I can't tell.
	Because he's good at hiding it.
	Was it ABC, you said, who had turned against Hillary?
	CBS. Oh, how's ABC? That is CBS right there that you listen to.
	No, but I'm asking you about ABC. ABC seems to have...
	They've always been Republican from the beginning with the Jeb Bush period.
	We followed that very closely.
	Right, right, right.
	And I think they've kind of just...
	Resign themselves to supporting Trump reluctantly.
	That would be my takeaway from listening to their stuff.
	Didn't you have a number of clips on Thursday's show, specifically from ABC, being anti-hit?
	What was the hit job?
	There were hit jobs, or was that all Trump hit jobs?
	I can't remember.
	I don't know.
	What did you have?
	They still do a little...
	The way they did it...
	And I didn't have the really good clip.
	Another clip I lost.
	But what was going on with both ABC and CBS is that they were...
	Running what seemed to be kind of neutral to anti-Trump material, but they left in all the Trump memes, crooked Hillary, crooked Hillary.
	There was one where they kept saying crooked Hillary, as Scott Adams discussed, crooked Hillary, crooked Hillary, crooked Hillary constantly in these anti-Trump clips.
	And it was just like to me, no, no, this is not an anti-Trump clip at all.
	This is pounding home crooked Hillary.
	Tell me what you think about this 40-second blurb from ABC. Hillary Clinton reacting tonight after that harsh report from the State Department about her private email server.
	Our team also asking Clinton today what some of her supporters have been asking.
	After Donald Trump's attacks, is Clinton fighting back hard enough?
	But tonight, questions about whether Clinton is ready to battle a rival like Trump.
	Some of your supporters would say that you have to fight back a lot harder against Donald Trump, that his attacks against you and your husband are left unanswered.
	I'm gonna run a campaign about the American people.
	And she's getting help.
	In Japan, President Obama saying world leaders are worried about a possible Trump presidency.
	They are not sure how seriously to take some of his pronouncements, but they're rattled by him.
	Ambassador Caroline Kennedy telling ABC News, allies tell her they are concerned about a President Trump.
	Now, the way I heard that, what they were saying to Hillary is, time for more ad buys.
	Maybe I just misheard that.
	When they say you need to fight back.
	I would say half of these reports are time for more ad buys.
	Yeah.
	You need to fight back, fight back.
	Well, fight back means airtime.
	Take out some ads.
	Take out some ads, exactly.
	Now, you heard about the world leaders being rattled.
	World leaders are rattled, I tell you.
	They're rattled by Donald Trump.
	This is what our president said.
	First of all, I think it's good if the world leaders are rattled, but irrelevant.
	Let's take it to the task.
	And the idea, and this is Barbara Boxer.
	Please, if you have a chance, look at the actual video.
	And this is in the Senate.
	Have a look at the actual video.
	She looks insane.
	And she's acting insane.
	She has that hunch.
	You know how she hunches over with her head forward so she looks like she has no neck.
	And her hair is all like a raccoon.
	And she's odd.
	And what she's trying to do...
	What she's trying to do with the deputy secretary of state, she's trying to get him to say, oh, ever since Donald Trump came on the scene, we can't do our work!
	It's crazy!
	Everyone's rattled about the guy.
	Completely rattled.
	What is the setup here?
	She had it in a hearing?
	In a hearing, yes.
	She's trying to get this guy to say something.
	Yeah, and it's the Foreign Relations Committee.
	Make any sense?
	No.
	So she's on the Foreign Relations Committee, and she obviously wants to have this guy say, yeah, Trump is an a-hole because the president's out there saying world leaders are rattled.
	You know that these Senate hearings are PR events.
	So she's like, oh, this is my opportunity.
	I'm going to slip in again.
	I'm going to be good.
	She forgot one thing.
	She forgot to lead the witness and set him up beforehand.
	I know it's a tough question for you.
	I just want you to say what you feel in your heart because we need to know.
	Mexican officials have said on the record that some of the proposal mentioned on the campaign trail, we know who we're talking about here, a candidate who's talking about building a wall, having Mexico do it, insulting Mexican-Americans here at home.
	I don't think he He may have insulted Mexican-Americans.
	He may have insulted Mexicans who are here illegally, but I don't think he insulted Mexican-Americans here at home that some of the proposals would have a cataclysmic effect on our bilateral relations.
	Cataclysmic?
	Has this divisive rhetoric Affected diplomatic relations with Mexico at this point.
	Has it impacted the United States' ability to work with the Mexican government to combat drug trafficking?
	And are you concerned that that type of rhetoric could just completely undermine what we're trying to do here?
	Now, this is not the way it's done.
	If you go and look at the...
	You have to go, Lindsey Graham is the best guy to do it.
	Well, John McCain does it pretty well.
	He does it pretty well.
	Would you agree?
	Is it not true?
	Is it not true?
	Would you agree that your work, it's been very difficult for you to work with your counterparts in Mexico because of Donald Trump?
	That's how you set up a witness.
	Now, she says, please tell me what's on your mind.
	Moron.
	Amateur.
	Amateur.
	Undermine what we're trying to do here.
	Well, I will try to strike a balance between answering your question and not entering too deeply into our own domestic politics here.
	I know it's a tough one, but you know what?
	When people talk, it has real life impacts.
	She's doubling down.
	She's trying to lead him, but she doesn't know how to do it.
	Especially a presumptive nominee.
	You have all seen some of the reactions from south of the border, from our Mexican brothers and sisters.
	You've seen President Vicente Fox's reactions and others from the embassy bilateral level To date, we continue to work very closely together.
	In my personal opinion, I do not believe it has gravely affected our ability to do business together.
	Mexico, in the last several months, has reiterated its commitment to continuing with the Merida Initiative.
	Where the populace of Mexico stands on this may be another matter, but we continue to be able to work closely together, bilaterally.
	She's thinking, wait a minute, this is not the answer I expected.
	How come this is not causing any problems?
	Hey, we had the ex-president saying, oh my God, I better play along.
	So the words haven't had an impact on what is going on at the very top levels, in your opinion, on the work that you are doing at this point.
	Not in their dealings with us.
	Did you hear at the very end what she says?
	She says, oh, that's excellent.
	The work that you were doing at this point.
	Not in their dealings with us.
	That's excellent.
	Yeah, that's excellent.
	Yeah, she gave up.
	Let me see.
	I think I have a...
	That would do it.
	Okay, a couple more and then I'm done.
	Oh, I have a question for you.
	Question for you.
	Question.
	Question for you regarding water in California.
	And we're going to solve your water problem.
	You have a water problem that is so insane.
	It is so ridiculous.
	Where they're taking the water and shoving it out to sea.
	And I just met with a lot of the farmers who are great people, and they're saying, we don't even understand it.
	They don't understand.
	Nobody understands it.
	And I've heard this from other friends of mine in California, where they have farms up here, and they don't get water.
	I said, oh, that's too bad.
	Is it a drought?
	No, we have plenty of water.
	I said, what's wrong?
	Well, we shove it out to sea.
	And I said, why?
	And nobody even knows why.
	And the environmentalists don't know why.
	Now, they're trying to protect a certain kind of three-inch fish.
	But...
	Oh, fish.
	So nobody even knows why.
	And by the way, the environmentalists don't know why.
	And, you know, I should say this.
	I've received many, many environmental rewards.
	You know, really.
	Rewards and awards.
	That was odd.
	He made a mistake.
	Rewards?
	Yeah, he was trying to correct it.
	I think he said it again later.
	Rewards.
	What kind of reward do you get?
	Hey, good deal.
	Here's a reward.
	This is a check for 10 bucks.
	Yeah, this is something I would latch on to as a journalist.
	Excuse me, could you please give me a list of all the rewards you receive?
	Was this a dead or alive bounty?
	They don't know what to latch on to, these guys.
	Oh, by the way, Barbara Boxer.
	Well, you had a question for me.
	Yes, it's coming.
	It's coming.
	Just about Barbara Boxer.
	No wonder she couldn't get laid.
	If that's how she sets it up, is it possible that maybe the way I look and the dress I'm wearing and the heels, perhaps you would be interested.
	Let's say you hadn't had any sexual relations for 15 years.
	That's probably why no one wanted to take her home.
	They took her home.
	Yeah, they didn't do her.
	I don't know.
	No one talked.
	I have done very well environmentally, and I'm all for it, but you have some people...
	I have done very well environmentally.
	That's pretty funny.
	I'm going to say that myself.
	How you doing?
	I'm doing very well environmentally, thank you.
	I've done very well environmentally, and I'm all for it.
	But you have some people that really want to just get in the way.
	And I don't know if it's for their ego or what, but there are so many things.
	And, you know, we want jobs.
	We have to bring jobs back.
	And if we can bring this part of the world water that we have, that we have...
	You know, my environmental standard is very simple, and I've said it to everybody.
	I want clean air and I want clean water.
	That's what I want.
	Clean air, clean water.
	Very, very simple.
	So anyway, so we're going to be back up here.
	If I win, believe me, we're going to start opening up the water so that you can have your farmers survive.
	So that your job market will get better.
	And the fish.
	Think of the fish.
	Alright, now, even if we weren't doing this program, I would seek your consult on this and ask you, I know you have an answer, can Donald Trump turn the water back on in California?
	I think there's a couple of changes that can be made to get a little more water down to that valley that they're talking about.
	Right now, they have this...
	It's a flushing issue in the Delta.
	And there's this fish.
	They're the smelt.
	A little smelt.
	I forgot what kind of smelt they are.
	Is that like a tilapia version of fish?
	No, it's a little bitty thing.
	It's just a fish.
	It's just a natural fish.
	We don't eat it.
	Although it might be good.
	But the problem is if they start pushing too much water down the valley, what happens is the bay water from the ocean and where the mudflats are, still there.
	It's still there.
	It kind of pushes up the delta and it gets kind of too much salt water up high in where it shouldn't be, where it should be fresh water coming down from the mountains.
	And...
	If you start moving that fresh water from the mountains down the San Joaquin Valley, you end up with the salt water coming up.
	It's a real...
	They're working on it.
	They deal with it.
	A lot of the water is thrown into the ocean.
	That's true.
	Okay, so my question, because the way this is being handled, this is the reason why I play the clip, is, oh, water scientist Donald Trump!
	Blah!
	Blah!
	Oh, you're talking about the face bags.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think Trump will just jiggle the handle, and then we'll flush the water down, and we won't have enough water.
	Seems like it.
	So that wasn't a very satisfactory answer.
	No, I'm sorry.
	Thanks.
	I'm an air pollution expert, not a water pollution expert, necessarily.
	I thought you would know all about it.
	I know that much.
	Cleveland, Ohio, is where the Republican...
	A convention will be held this year, and I caught a clip with the Cleveland chief of police with a flub, which he clearly didn't give two craps about for flubbing.
	In fact, he explained his flub concerning, certainly from Ohio.
	This is Kasich's The city of Cleveland says it is recruiting more police officers and also bringing in additional equipment like more police motorcycles and riot gear.
	But Steven, you say you're concerned it's not happening fast enough.
	Why so?
	Well, we're measuring people for riot gear, politically correct, it's protective gear.
	And what exactly is that?
	What is politically correct protective gear?
	Well, it's just a term for riot gear.
	We're not allowed to call it riot gear anymore.
	Ah, that's how we got rid of it.
	I was wondering how we got rid of all of that in all of our police force.
	Remember, oh, we're going to get rid of it.
	It's all going to be gone.
	No, it's not gone.
	In fact, they're ordering new ones, and they're just calling it protective gear.
	They changed the name.
	Yeah, rebranding everybody.
	Okay, hey, we got a problem with the militaristic police forces.
	The 13th floor says rebranding.
	Rebranding.
	We're going to rebrand.
	But that's exactly what it is.
	It's to protect the officers.
	We're way behind.
	We don't have any of it.
	We don't have a gas mask.
	We don't have helmets.
	We don't have protective chest gear.
	They ordered this stuff, and now, in fact, tomorrow, they're going to be measuring people after they already ordered it.
	That sounds good.
	It's a ridiculous notion.
	So we're ordering more gear, but we're just ordering willy-nilly.
	The men and women in the Cleveland Police Department and the officers that are going to come help us are going to do the absolute best that they can do with the equipment and with the numbers and with the training that they get.
	The problem is that we're not getting enough of any of that right now.
	And that's cause for concern for us.
	Well, there you go.
	No riot gear.
	I mean protective gear.
	Yeah, so there's going to be riots.
	Yeah, well, MSNBC is learning how to deal with the riots, or riots just being, I mean, it is kind of, I mean, I understand for the ratings, but this clip, and I just caught this by coincidence, Chris Hayes is so difficult to watch too, right?
	Right, right.
	So he sends a reporter, and of course the reporter's walking backwards through the crowd with signs, you know, dump Trump, Trump, F Trump, there's a whole bunch of different things.
	And just listen to the self-importance of this a-hole, Chris Hayes.
	What?
	And so far, it has been peaceful, meaning there hasn't been any physical back and forth.
	We've seen a lot of yelling.
	We've seen a lot of chanting.
	We've seen a lot of, we've seen some pushing between the protesters and others.
	Fuck her right in the flip.
	And then we have that.
	Sorry about that, Chris.
	And no violence.
	I love that.
	It's so great.
	Listen to Hayes.
	And then we have that.
	Sorry about that, Chris.
	And no violence, physical, at least so far.
	That's the plan, and let's hope it stays that way.
	Jacob Rasko, outside the venue, we're Donald Trump, is set to speak at the top of the hour.
	Jacob, thanks.
	Hey, America, if you see someone who's doing a live shot, and you think it's funny or smart or clever or disruptive in any way to say what that guy just said, it's not.
	Grow the hell up.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Grow the hell up, everybody.
	Oh, Jay.
	It's not funny.
	We're red news media.
	What do you think you're doing?
	This is not how it's supposed to work.
	Douchebag!
	Yeah, that's funny.
	I only got one left, but you tell me if you want.
	This is former Miss Arkansas, Sally Miller.
	It's been around for a while, this interview, but it's popping back up.
	And it's not popping up by coincidence.
	You want to hear what she has to say about Bill and his coke habit?
	I was the older woman.
	You know, I'm seven years older than Bill.
	And I think that that's the reason that he confided in me because, you see, his mother was the central part of his world, his life.
	And he didn't ever really have a strong father figure.
	Well, how about Hillary?
	And I think he felt like he could talk to me like he would talk to his mother.
	We laughed a lot and we had fun.
	Of course, he didn't need it, but I think maybe it had become a habit that he smoked marijuana and that he did coke.
	Actually, I just realized this is a table.
	It's funny, just sitting here, all my furniture I've collected through the years, but this is the couch he's set on.
	That's the table.
	When he did coke...
	He brought a little, like a woman's cosmetic case.
	That's the only thing I can describe.
	And he put it down here, pushed everything aside.
	Of course, he was a little bit bigger than me.
	And he rolled it out and there was this little mat.
	And he sprinkled this white powder.
	I was sitting across the way.
	I was just fascinated because it had a little straw.
	And he leaned over and...
	You know, in each nostril.
	Took a few big snorts and felt better, I guess, because he had a big smile on his face.
	I asked him if he did coke because it was almost like a stimulant.
	You think?
	He said it just made him feel better.
	Gave him more power.
	Made him feel courageous.
	I didn't question it because everybody has different ways of getting high.
	I go running and I get a high.
	But if you ever saw pictures of Bill, he didn't run much.
	But he did do coke.
	He did do coke.
	Sounds pretty legit to me.
	I'm absolutely sure that she's not lying.
	Poor Bill.
	He was well known in the...
	A friend of mine is a consultant in D.C. doing political stuff, and it was fairly well known in the whole...
	In the Washington, D.C. area that he did.
	Coke probably still does.
	Well, he would be a great anti-Coke ad then.
	Just show his picture.
	This is what Coke does to your kids.
	That one picture for sure.
	It can affect your heart.
	You had a heart issue.
	Combined with no exercise.
	Very damning.
	And if you smoke weed, smoking weed, eating Cheetos, doing Coke, not exercising.
	Yeah, a lot of McDonald's.
	He's a big McDonald's guy.
	He's a McDonald's guy as well, yeah.
	Then he became a vegan, which can't be healthy either.
	That's crazy.
	Well, I witnessed the two vegans who died on the mountain.
	I don't know anything about vegans dying on the mountain.
	Yeah, there were four people in a week who died at the, you know, above second base camp in, I think, the Himalayas.
	Oh.
	Of altitude sickness, and it was a husband and wife, young, beautiful girl, and she died of altitude sickness.
	But they were going up to prove that vegans can do anything.
	Oh, well, they...
	I'll say.
	And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, John C., when the C stands for California Aquatics.
	See you at Dvorak.
	Well, in the morning to you, Mr.
	Adam Curry.
	Also, in the morning, all feet on the ground, boots in the air, subs in the water.
	And subs in the water, I said.
	And all the dames and nights out there, I think I mixed it up.
	That's okay.
	In the morning to the chatroom, noagendastream.com.
	In the morning to the back office.
	Hello, Mount Vortex, Void Zero.
	Good to see you guys here, of course.
	And in the morning to Mark G., the artist who brought us the artwork for episode 828.
	This was an evergreen that we used.
	Which is the green blackboard live from Gitmo Nation.
	Yes, that was a very evergreen evergreen.
	Yeah.
	Well, if today's donations are any indicator, then we may not have a lot of art either.
	It is a holiday weekend in the United States, which makes it tougher for us.
	The U.S. is still our biggest audience, but...
	Yeah, and this is the show on a holiday, so they're going to miss all this good material.
	Yes.
	It's great material.
	Luckily, there's a podcast of it.
	Yeah, you can always download.
	That's a thought.
	We do have some people to think of.
	Let's thank a few folks.
	We have a couple executive producers, real ones.
	Let's go around.
	Oh, of course.
	Including Thomas Nussbaum.
	Sir Thomas Nussbaum to you.
	He's the Duke.
	He's the Duke.
	3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
	He's the Duke.
	Yes, you're right.
	He is the Duke Nussbaum.
	He says, Duke Nussbaum here to all my military and no agenda family.
	Much love, I... Am I missing something here?
	Please play Taps at the end of the show.
	Thank you.
	Oh, that would be very appropriate for today.
	Yeah, I think so.
	But what was our...
	Because you sent me a military drum cadence that we played.
	That played Taps.
	No, it was Danny Boy.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't have taps.
	We should have taps.
	Well, I can get it, but...
	Well, let me...
	Maybe I can get a...
	Oh, yeah.
	We can get it.
	No, no, stop.
	Stop.
	No.
	The chat room.
	There's a thousand people out there.
	Please email me an mp3 of taps.
	A beautiful version.
	I can play it at the end of the show.
	There we go.
	Yeah, not something done by a...
	No, not crap.
	Yeah, or some comedy.
	Not craps.
	We want taps.
	Please.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Thank you, Duke.
	Nussbaum.
	Yeah, good idea.
	Give him a karma.
	Absolutely.
	You've got karma.
	Dame Joni Dadafray in Morgantown, your little stomping grounds, Virginia.
	Also 34567 to prove there is a random number theory out there.
	She writes in, Dear Adam and John, I need a serious dedouching for not donating forever.
	I've been totally wrapped up for the last four months in helping produce my son's plays and then chaperoning the cast and crew on their post-production camping weekend for which I also cooked.
	Lots of work.
	It rained all weekend.
	We lost power for a few hours.
	It was cold, but we still had fun.
	See clips of a couple of scenes from Oliver below.
	Not too bad if I do say so myself.
	Not even, didn't even know my son Griffin, who played Fagan, could sing until I saw the play.
	That's an interesting experience.
	What?
	My son can sing?
	My other son, Max, is the undertaker.
	Love the show.
	Love you guys.
	Love and light.
	And keep me laughing.
	You bring hilarious...
	Sorry, I'm stumbling through this because it's like six-point type.
	I don't know why.
	You've been hilarious lately.
	May I please have...
	We came.
	We saw.
	He died.
	Hillary barking.
	And nice to be here.
	Brof.
	Okay.
	And starting with the dedouching.
	Yes.
	Barking.
	This is always a problem with the...
	Yeah, with a letter.
	What was the last one?
	The last thing she wanted?
	It was, uh, we came, she saw he died.
	Hillary Barking and Brolf.
	Ah, Brolf, yes.
	She wants the full Brof.
	I'll just do a Brof, yeah.
	Got the Brof here, and here we go.
	You've been de-douched.
	I mean, that is the land of unconfirmed.
	Yes, we came, we saw, he died.
	Good to be here, Brof.
	You've got karma.
	Sorry, that wasn't the cackle.
	I thought it was the cackle.
	I didn't have the cackle.
	She didn't ask for the cackle.
	I thought she said Hillary laughing.
	She said Hillary barking.
	Yeah, Hillary barking.
	Oh, okay.
	Then we did it right.
	Okay, I have the cackle.
	That's a different cackle.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Dame Joanie.
	Douglas Anderson in Calgary, Alberta, $333.33, also an executive producer.
	I don't have the first part of this.
	I got info you provide is very relevant.
	What does he say?
	I've been a committed listener for almost two years.
	Even though I'm in Scandinavia, the info you provide is very relevant.
	The two of you have taught me to deconstruct the news in a way I never imagined.
	In the tradition of the value-for-value model, I think I'm a bit behind, a.k.a.
	haven't donated until now, and looking for a dedouching with this donation.
	I'm in the software development game, and things for us are great, so it's time to share.
	This isn't the same for others in Calgary, Alberta, with oil the way it is.
	A little jobs karma for those impacted by the oil price would be awesome.
	Mm-hmm.
	Here's to the best podcast in the universe, and I'm looking forward to joining the roundtable before the year is out.
	Ah, outstanding.
	Outstanding.
	And so you can give him...
	And then he also had a note on the 8-inch floppy disks and COBOL, which I'd like to talk about in our tech news later today.
	Okay.
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	Okay.
	Onward.
	Sir Michael Muggler in Fountain, California.
	Or Fountain.
	Fountain, Colorado.
	And he did send a note in.
	There's a check.
	33333.
	Let's see.
	Dear John and Adam, it closes another article for your review on the upcoming presidential he sent something in.
	The Voter Participation Center came in.
	I found it strange that it's addressed to my mother.
	Some backgrounder here, she's always voted the Democratic ticket in every election.
	This thing he sent in is pretty funny.
	We might discuss it later.
	I retired from the Army back in 2013, believe my home of record converted from Illinois to Colorado after my retirement.
	My mother still lives in Illinois, goes on.
	I'm assuming that Colorado is again a swing state for the election.
	That's what he's accounting for, this phony thing that was sent to him.
	It's like a ballot that's been filled out for him with his mother's name on it.
	Thanks for all your hard work.
	I know it's been way too long for my last donation.
	The newsletter with the knight and the dragon picture spurred me into action.
	Nothing like a little game of agendas to get a knight to answer the call to arms.
	Just some karma.
	And please add one of the past trigger warnings to the end of the show, which we haven't been using at all.
	So if you put one on there, we'd appreciate that.
	Trigger warning.
	Yes.
	We'll do...
	Trigger will do anal leakage.
	Okay, good.
	Anyway, we'll discuss this other stuff as needed.
	And what does she need?
	Karma?
	Just karma.
	I don't think it was designed for her.
	You've got karma.
	I mean, not her.
	Sir Mike, yeah.
	Sir Craig in Norwalk, Connecticut 23457.
	Two, three, four, five, seven.
	Okay.
	Sir Craig here.
	Shows recent and archival have been fantastic.
	The media deconstruction almost has me looking forward to the election.
	Hey, welcome to the club.
	Looking forward to the election and its attendant hijinks.
	Did I mention almost looking forward?
	Keep up the fantastic work.
	73s, KB1YYE, jingles, shut up slave, LGY, job karma for my newly minted lawyer daughter.
	Hmm.
	And he wants to put the extra scent in there to pull him out of the executive producer clutter.
	Perfect.
	Perfect.
	And seven threes from Kilo 5, Alpha, Charlie, Charlie.
	Shut up, slave!
	Yay!
	Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
	Let's vote for jobs!
	You've got karma.
	The associate executive producer next is Christopher Dolan in Brookline, Massachusetts.
	Wow, Sir Chris has been with us for the past three shows with this.
	Yeah, Sir Chris has been kicking butt.
	Thank you so much.
	$200.
	Please give me a shot at Carmen.
	Thanks for the best podcast in the universe.
	Short and sweet.
	Appreciate it.
	Love it.
	You've got Carmen.
	Thank you, sir.
	And finally, Ben Smith in Greenville, Texas.
	200 bucks.
	ITM gents, today, Sunday, is my 60th birthday.
	You're on the list.
	You are.
	And I could think of no better way to celebrate my journey into the seventh decade than by supporting the best podcast in the universe.
	Thanks for the twice-weekly deconstruction of the media.
	Essential listening for surviving in a world of duplicity.
	Karma.
	Yes, karma coming.
	You've got karma.
	Double check pictures on the list.
	I think we're good.
	So here's our chat room.
	What did I ask the chat room to do?
	Get a copy of Taps.
	What does the chat room do?
	They don't get you a copy.
	No, they post links.
	Oh, you can get it from here.
	You can record it from here.
	Did they realize I'm doing a show?
	Yes.
	So I can then download it from there and then clip it and make it all perfect into an mp3?
	Yeah, they're only partially useful.
	I did want to thank...
	I would have predicted this.
	Yeah.
	I want to thank...
	I believe it was from Sir D.H. Slammer.
	Did you receive your copy of the Hillary Rodham Clinton Some Girls Are Born to Lead book?
	No.
	In hardcover, no less?
	No.
	Ugh.
	It's a thing of beauty.
	Yes.
	I'm going to have to tweet some pictures.
	It is really...
	It is remarkable.
	And this, of course, is...
	I think it's a collectible.
	I think it's 100% collectible.
	Yeah, I actually ordered a copy for myself from Amazon.
	It is just stunningly beautiful, man.
	She's a saint.
	Saint Hill.
	Yeah.
	And then it starts off, you see dudes everywhere, in everything, in every assembly of people.
	Why don't you read a little bit?
	Well, actually, let's get...
	I wasn't really prepared.
	Telling people to go to Dvorak.org slash NA so we can get our numbers up a little bit.
	We had a good number of people who came in as executive producers, but when we get to the second part of this, you'll see...
	Yeah, you'll see it's...
	It drops right off.
	We didn't get enough to get by.
	Another show next month coming up on Thursday.
	Please remember us at jvorak.org slash n-a.
	And of course we thank everybody else in our segment, short segment later on.
	But don't remember our formula.
	I mean, remember it.
	Our formula is this.
	We go out and we hit people in the mouth.
	I need a bill.
	It'd be 12 stacks.
	Hey, citizens.
	Shut up, Wade.
	Shut up, Wade.
	I can read you something from the book.
	Yes, read us from the book.
	Hillary Rodham Clinton.
	Some girls are born to lead.
	Let's see.
	In the 1950s, it was a man's world.
	This is how the book starts.
	This is the first page.
	Oh yeah, let's start it off right away with this.
	Only boys could grow up to have powerful jobs.
	Only boys had no ceilings on their dreams.
	Girls weren't supposed to act smart, tough, or ambitious.
	Even though, deep inside, they may have felt that way.
	But in the town of Park Ridge, Illinois, along came Hillary, wearing thick glasses and a sailor dress, acing tests, upstaging boys in class, and lining up sport events to raise money for the poor.
	Take that, 1950s!
	Some girls are born to lead!
	Wow!
	Is that really the text?
	Yes.
	It continues.
	And some love politics and public service.
	Through her church, Hillary learned about the troubled world beyond the green lawns and tree-lined streets of her town.
	Her youth group met with poor black and Latino teenagers in the inner city, because they had the best marijuana anywhere.
	They went to hear a stirring speech by Dr.
	Martin Luther King, Jr.
	Do the most good you can, Hillary's youth minister taught.
	Be kind, work hard, aim high, her mother argued.
	They didn't tell her she could only go so far just because she was a girl.
	You want to hear more?
	Well, I think we should go from, I think this is a good segue.
	First of all, let's see what she sounds like today.
	Laughter I got it.
	I saw it earlier.
	We'll play that clip for starters.
	Yes.
	I got it here.
	Clinton is campaigning in Nevada and California.
	She criticized Trump numerous times during a speech in Las Vegas.
	Donald Trump is an urgent threat to our rights and to our country.
	The Democrats will next go head-to-head in Puerto Rico.
	Wow.
	Wow, wow, wow.
	Seems that her voice is off a little bit today.
	But this has been going on for, this has been three months?
	Yeah, she's got something wrong with her.
	You think?
	I don't normally, we used to do this more on the show, because Jon Stewart used to specialize in this, and Conan O'Brien, they used to do some work for us.
	They would make these clips of some kind of cliche that every newscaster was using, and they would run every one of them over and over and over.
	I think I have the same click.
	This is from Saturday Night Live?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	I got this from, who did I get this from?
	I got this from Seth, what's his name, that does that late night show.
	Yes, Seth.
	Also an SNL, former SNL guy.
	Yes, and he does an SNL type show.
	I like his whole show, actually.
	I like his show, too.
	Ever since he went to the news format, I think his show is pretty funny.
	I always get one big belly laugh.
	Seth Meyers.
	So I'm thinking when you look for these sorts of things, they got this screwy one, but who would develop this into a cliche?
	It's idiotic.
	It's drip, drip, drip.
	Ah, I was wondering what it was.
	Okay.
	It's yet another drip, drip, drip of a report saying that she didn't follow the rules.
	The drip, drip, drip of this investigation. There's this steady drip, drip, drip. Drip, drip, drip, drip. It's just one more drip.
	It's gonna be a big puddle, and one of these days it might just drown her.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Drip, drip.
	Someone came up with it and it stuck.
	And in 30 years from now, children will be sure that they heard drop, drop, droop.
	And they'll all be freaking out.
	Yeah, they'll all have to do with Mandela.
	I have the SNL. This was so funny because it was so real.
	It was a spoof, but I am quite sure I've heard every single one of these CBS, maybe not CBS, they made it to be CBS, The teaser for the 11 o'clock news.
	I haven't seen the show.
	This popped up and I thought it was a share-worthy.
	And now, what in God's name is still happening on WCBS 2 News at 11?
	High-heel self-defense tonight at 11.
	Inside a dog's mind tonight at 11.
	Ghost rest-ups tonight at 11.
	Squeeze yourself fabulous tonight at 11.
	Big bucks in bags.
	Younger eyes.
	Text walking.
	The digital breakup.
	Digital amnesia.
	Digital anxiety.
	Digital dentistry.
	Dry drowning.
	Water overdose.
	What's in the water?
	What's in your wine?
	What's in the box?
	Geekness.
	Danger.
	Dog danger.
	Danger underground.
	The she shed.
	The man flu.
	Dude war.
	Patch me pretty.
	Summer sadness.
	Spiked spices.
	Sick of food.
	Are beards bad?
	Tonight at 11.
	I think I've heard every single one of those.
	I've heard a few of them, that's for sure.
	Yeah.
	Probably just an easy one for them.
	Home game.
	Just copy everything that's real and then call it a joke.
	Now we have...
	So there's this guy that showed up.
	I sent you a thing to put in the show notes.
	It's from this character.
	We've been talking about him.
	He's the guy who's the Clinton biographer.
	Historian, I should say.
	Well, he's been researching the Clinton Foundation.
	Right.
	I'm sure you're right.
	He's the financial analyst who said it's a big scam.
	The numbers don't add up.
	Now, I expected, I have this clip from, there's this kind of, it's like some screwball online network, but this girl was interviewing the guy and they let him talk forever.
	So he's got to bring in a number of factors.
	And I didn't really want to play any of this stuff because I figured this was going to eventually pop into the mainstream.
	And it hasn't.
	The Clinton Foundation material.
	It's a no-go zone, baby.
	It's a no-go area.
	It's a no-go zone, baby.
	So let's just, I want to play some of this.
	You can interrupt this as much as you want, and then when you're sick of it, because he just goes on and on and on, I want to play part two, which is the part where he summarizes what everything, in fact, we might, let's start with part two, as a matter of fact.
	This is the Clinton charity.
	So you get an idea where this guy's coming from by listening to this part.
	So you consider this to be charity fraud then?
	Absolutely.
	It is an epic charity fraud.
	And what I would say is it's much bigger than $2 billion.
	Bill Clinton and others around Bill Clinton have been associated with related charities, and they should have been disclosing their related charity involvements.
	They haven't been.
	One of them is the American India Foundation.
	That, I believe, is a billion-dollar fraud.
	There's the operation in Haiti.
	That's about a 12 to a 13 billion dollar fraud.
	There's the operation called the Global Fund, which is in the many tens of billions of dollars of fraud involving disgraced convicted felon Rajat Gupta, former head of McKinsey.
	That's something that started in 2000, I think, two or three.
	The piece of the Clinton Foundation that Bill takes a lot of credit for and Hillary and Chelsea distributing HIV-AIDS medicines around the world, that's a fraud.
	And there are serious questions about whether the medicines that have been delivered around the world are actually genuine and lawfully produced and effective medicines or whether they may have been adulterated.
	There are very serious questions about this fraud that have been raised by some for years, but only recently, really in the last 15 months, have I decided to take this kind of effort because I've done the type of painstaking work.
	I've approached government authorities last year, several of them, and nothing has happened yet.
	So I decided, you know, enough is enough.
	People are being harmed here.
	The public has a right to know about this, and the public needs to rise up and shut this thing down.
	Bad optics.
	So this is, like, kind of gets your attention.
	Well, we have been talking about this on this show for years.
	Years.
	And just for people who want to play along, the website for this guy is charlesortel.com.
	So, and it's a blog.
	Thank you.
	So you can subscribe to a feed.
	It's good.
	Guy, he's on the money.
	And he probably should avoid hot tubs, canoeing in Washington, D.C. He's already spilled the beans.
	Yeah, but they're not picking it up.
	And what, do you know what this, oh, you didn't remember, some online news network, right?
	Yeah, it was an online show.
	He's been here and there, but it's all been fringe.
	You know what this guy is?
	This guy is prime material for a John C. Dvorak interview.
	I mean, if he's doing shitty web news networks, let's get him.
	That's a good idea.
	You should talk to the guy.
	Yeah, he seems very easy to talk to.
	If you start playing part one, you don't have to play much of it.
	You can see that he's not only easy to talk to, but he just takes it over, which is exactly having done interview shows.
	If you get a guy like this, it's great.
	You know what we could do with this?
	If I see it's four and a half minutes...
	You could just cut it up and insert questions.
	Old school.
	Remember how we used to do that?
	You just ask the questions and play this interview.
	Problem solved.
	All public charities, and that's what the Clinton started out as being.
	It started out being simply a library and archive based in Little Rock, and that was its sole tax-exempt purpose.
	All public charities whose revenues exceed a certain number, depends state by state, have to provide each year an independent, certified set of financial statements that is called a professional audit.
	The Clinton Foundation, since inception on October 23, 1997, It has tendered into the public domain documents that purport to be audits, but they're not audits.
	They're not compliant with the actual tough regulations that exist in places like your state, California, my state, New York, and around the world.
	And when you start pulling beneath the surface and looking at the actual financial statements and cross-checking them, these financial statements can You
	and Andrew Horowitz were talking about some...
	Actually, Horowitz was talking about some scam...
	That just popped into my mind listening to this.
	And the scam is where your corporation buys medication or pays for a part of the increased price of medication.
	You get to deduct it as a charitable donation, and then you receive the money back by selling it to the people in the first place.
	That's a very poor explanation.
	Yeah, I'll tell you what it was.
	It turns out that a lot of the giant drug companies, for one thing, they jacked the price away and said it's $100 a pill for something that should be a buck or 10 cents.
	And nobody can afford this, but the insurance companies who do have, people that have insurance, they will gouge the insurance companies for it, and then the insurance companies will reimburse the drug company.
	To make it more interesting, the drug company itself creates a charity.
	And the charity buys pills for people who can't afford them and then bills it out at the $100.
	In other words, you buy a $100 pill for something.
	So you take a...
	The pill still gets paid for and then you take a charitable discount from your taxes for the $100 because you paid for the pill supposedly, but even though you got the money.
	It's just this easy kind of...
	You make money on the overpriced pills and now you also make money through the tax Now, would the Clinton Foundation be able to do that with perhaps AIDS medication?
	I don't see why not.
	Maybe.
	Who knows?
	I don't know.
	From the sounds of this guy, this operation is just one giant scam.
	And I think one of the reasons Hillary wants to get him to be president as fast as she can is so she can pardon him before the roof falls in.
	Okay, well let me ask you this first before we even get into the nitty-gritty of the independent audits and what laws they might be breaking there.
	How do you know?
	You say you've been analyzing this for 15 months.
	What kind of access to records do you have and what records are you looking at to determine this?
	All right.
	Well, that's a good question.
	So the starting place for the Clinton Foundation, for the people who don't know better, is to look at their own website.
	And there they put up information on financial reports that go back to 1998, but audits that start in 2004.
	So in the beginning, there's a bunch of missing information.
	The versions that they put up on their website are very different, materially different, from the versions that you can find by looking in the states where they have operated inside the United States and outside the United States in online databases that are freely accessible.
	The second thing you can cross-check are press releases issued by the Clinton Foundation and others at the time that these major donations and grants are made.
	The third thing you can check, which I've checked, are after-action audit reports.
	The big governments that give money away have had troubles.
	So, for example, the government of Norway, the government of Australia, the government of Canada, the government of Ireland, the government of the U.K. Each of these organizations and multilateral organizations will do special reports on a country, the progress in a country, and they contain extensive reports that don't foot.
	But the biggest place to start is with the largest donor.
	And the largest donor to the Clinton Foundation is a name very few people know.
	It's called Unitaid.
	Out of the two billion in declared contributions, which may or may not, and most likely are not, the total amount of money sent towards the Clinton Foundation, of that two billion, six hundred million came from one organization based in Switzerland.
	Alright, so this lack of independent audits then that the Clinton Foundation almost fudged to make it look like they did conduct.
	If they didn't conduct them, as you found, what laws does this violate?
	Does that violate local law, state law, federal law, charity law?
	What does that violate?
	All right, the principal law that it violates is charity fraud solicitation law.
	This is a charity that, while we're on this broadcast, is raising money over the Internet.
	It may be using the phones to do it.
	It may be using the...
	Jeez, man, you could have popped this podcast cherry.
	The guy's doing podcasts.
	This is so sad.
	This is really sad.
	And it's doing this broadly to the public.
	So when you engage in that type of behavior, your forms, all your filings have to be true and accurate.
	There are special laws that apply to charities.
	Charities may not engage in, quote, any illegal activity.
	So all these forms have to be accurate.
	They are not accurate.
	They are raising money.
	And worse, they are engaged in disaster relief.
	After the various disasters, 9-11, Katrina, and the frauds that happened, Americans and others are very generous people.
	We see a disaster.
	Money flows towards a charity.
	After disasters were exposed, starting in 2001, the federal government tightened the sentencing guidelines, the FBI did, for disaster relief charity fraud.
	And these people are engaged in disaster relief charity fraud.
	So the penalties for that And mind you, it's not like Peter Schweitzer's book.
	You don't have to prove quid pro quo.
	All you have to show is they are soliciting, which they admit, and that their forms and filings are materially false and misleading, which I believe they are.
	We just need cash.
	I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water.
	Just send your cash.
	That's right.
	Just send your cash for Haiti.
	Bush should be thrown in the slammer, too.
	Yeah, it also went into the Bush Foundation.
	They got a foundation.
	It's called something else, but it's huge.
	Huge, I tell you.
	Well, this dovetails into...
	I had some conversations this week, in between shows, actually.
	You know, there's always these kids standing on the corner of Second and Lavaca, which is right near the W Hotel.
	It's either Planned Parenthood or Save the Children.
	Of course, I always want to find out what they're doing.
	And the Planned Parenthood is not actually asking you to donate to Planned Parenthood, the organization.
	It's asking you to donate to Planned Parenthood, the lobbying organization.
	Which, of course, I don't do.
	Now, Friday, as I was walking to spin class, no, walking back from spin class, there were, and I saw them across the street on the other corner, and I was like, oh, that's interesting.
	These are new.
	I see new t-shirts, and as I was crossing the street, I saw it was Médecins Sans Frontières, which is the French version of, well, it is the official version, of course, the Doctors Without Borders, but it was the French t-shirt, and both girls were wearing the spiffy white t-shirt.
	And so I said, hey, would you like to help out Doctors Without Borders?
	Oh, that's great.
	Tell me about Doctors Without Borders.
	Tell me about what you're doing.
	What is this money for?
	Who are you?
	Doctors Without Borders.
	Okay.
	Do you have anything to look at?
	Do you want to tell me?
	She had a laminated folder.
	And I said, okay, this seems right.
	But are you raising money for them?
	Yes.
	Well, and who are you with?
	Doctors Without Borders?
	Oh, no.
	We're with Grassroots Texas.
	I don't understand.
	Yeah, no, we go out and we raise money for Doctors Without Borders.
	I said, oh, why wouldn't I just give directly to Doctors Without Borders?
	Well, you see, we're very important, grassroots, so we support progressive issues.
	And I said, oh, my.
	Oh, you triggered me.
	You should have trigger warning me.
	What are you doing?
	Don't trigger warning me.
	And so the bottom line is, And I talked to Tina about this because she's in the nonprofit world.
	She knows how it works.
	Very, very, very, very wrong to be...
	I mean, there are lots of organizations, nonprofits, that all they do is they just collect money and then they disperse it to other organizations.
	Nothing wrong with that.
	There's probably a lot of efficiency in that.
	But to wear the Doctors Without Borders t-shirts and say, do you want to help Doctors Without Borders?
	Without really disclosing until I dove into it and said, hold on a second.
	I want to give to you guys.
	It's like giving to the Red Cross.
	You know, another one of those outfits that doesn't give directly to...
	Even your blood doesn't go to the...
	If you donate blood, it doesn't go to the people who need it for whatever emergency is being asked.
	So that's quite a scam.
	I'm glad you busted him.
	Did you call the cops?
	Immediately.
	Arrest those two!
	No, I didn't because there's a second story I want to tell.
	I finally got some real insight.
	I got a...
	I don't want to disclose too much.
	But let's say there's a domestic worker who works for a friend of mine.
	And I was speaking with her.
	And, you know, we're talking about Trump, you know, because here's someone who probably would have some opinions about that.
	And, you know, this isn't my opportunity.
	And as we're talking, I realize she's here illegally.
	So I kind of, I don't really confront her with it, but I kind of weasel her into it.
	And she says, yeah, yeah, well.
	And I said, well, look, we just, long story short, I get the story out of her.
	And it is, now I understand why this problem is the way it is now.
	I've always said the issue is we don't have exit.
	We have ways of knowing if you left after the fact, but that does not go directly into any system that says, hold on a second, this person didn't leave on time.
	If you try to come back, then they'll nail you.
	That's what happened to Mickey when she was deported.
	So she came in on a tourist visa.
	Her daughter was born here.
	So her daughter became an American citizen.
	But she overstayed her visa with her husband with, I think she has one, maybe one other kid at the time.
	And so they just stay.
	And they didn't go back.
	They just stay because she can petition them to become American citizens when she reaches the age of 21.
	So I said, well, okay, so how do you get around?
	He said, well, I have a driver's license, but I can't actually renew it now because now I need to show my social security number, and it used to be my TINI number.
	I said, what are you talking about?
	Oh, well, if you overstay illegally, well, it's illegal, if you overstay your tourist visa and you want to work, you call the IRS and you say, hi, I'm here, I've overstayed my visa, I want to work, and they give you a special tax number.
	Anything to get the money.
	Isn't that amazing?
	And I said, wait a minute, this is, you call up, you say, I'm here, yeah, yes, you call, I'm here, I passed my visa, but I'm going to be petitioned.
	She didn't have to mention it was in 20 years from, 21 years from then.
	And then, you know, so that's, you know, so I could pay my taxes.
	And with that, she could get her driver's license.
	Now she can't get that anymore.
	So the kid turns 21 two years ago.
	I guess her husband was in the hospital.
	But really, it wasn't a pressing issue.
	And now, she says, now I really want to get it done.
	I said, why?
	Because of Trump?
	She says, no, the fees are going up.
	Wait a minute.
	I pay taxes.
	Yeah, now the driver's license is a bummer because they won't accept just the tax number.
	I have to have an actual social security number.
	So that's problematic for me.
	I think she still drives.
	I saw her arrive in a car.
	It was a huge issue.
	And said, well, tell me about the fees.
	And said, well, this is what I expected.
	He said, it's about $1,600 for all of the paperwork, and I know all these filings.
	And then another $3,000 for the lawyer.
	So in total, it's going to be about $5,000.
	No wonder this is, you know, and if it's not such a big deal, and there's not really a huge pushback, no wonder this has happened the way it has.
	And now people still aren't freaked out about it.
	I just say, the fees are going to go up.
	So if you hear, everyone's afraid of Donald Trump.
	No, they're not doing it because they think Donald Trump's going to deport them.
	They just want to get it done now before the fees go up.
	Sounds like something that's real.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The only people upset about Donald Trump are these paid troublemakers that Soros brought into the picture.
	Exactly.
	And when I said Hillary Clinton, you know what she said?
	No.
	El Diablo!
	Well, people sending me all kinds of stuff through email.
	You can stop now.
	Thank you.
	That's not taps?
	That's not taps.
	No, that's Reveille.
	I know.
	Thank you.
	Now I have a lot of taps.
	Maybe we should just play them all.
	One big tap.
	I like the Reveille.
	You should just keep that just for use occasionally.
	I have a couple.
	I also have the Retreat.
	Oh, play retreat.
	Nice.
	music Wow, I've got First Call.
	Charge!
	That's the one you need. .
	Ah, some beautiful stuff.
	What else you got?
	Well, my favorite.
	I don't think they have one of them.
	What's that one for?
	That's Assembly.
	I'm surprised you don't know Assembly.
	I don't know Assembly.
	Oh, I thought you would.
	To the Colors is this.
	Who doesn't recognize it?
	Nice.
	Well, now you've got a whole collection.
	I do.
	You play a Hillary clip and then play one of those...
	Well, interesting you say that.
	I have a Hillary mix for the end of the show.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Alrighty.
	Speaking of Hillary, then we can leave it alone.
	Have you seen the National Enquirer?
	No, but it's the latest.
	Ah, they're all over the Hillary lesbian...
	No, it's about time.
	And I'll tell you how this popped up and what's being done again.
	So here we have...
	Well, actually, when we play one of her clips, we need a jingle.
	That's right, everybody.
	That's right, everybody.
	It's time for some whoopie wisdom concerning Hillary's emails.
	If the higher-ups knew, why did they let it continue?
	Exactly.
	What was there to hide?
	You tell me.
	What was there to hide?
	What is there to hide for her?
	Right.
	If she had nothing to hide, why wouldn't she comply with everything?
	I'll tell you exactly why.
	Because...
	I know that if they grab an email where she's cussing Bill out for some reason because he forgot to bring the cutlets home, it's going to appear in the newspaper.
	Oh, right.
	I get why she did it.
	I don't understand why.
	Right.
	Okay.
	By the way, Bill is notorious and said so publicly a number of times.
	He never used email.
	One email, I believe.
	One.
	One email.
	One.
	It's okay because this is ongoing.
	This meme has all been set up.
	There was a meeting.
	I guess they brought their broomsticks because Feinstein was on it as well.
	For more than a year, Secretary Clinton has said over and over again that she did not break the rules.
	But this report makes it clear that she never asked for permission for her private email arrangement and that if she had, quote, the State Department did not and would not approve her exclusive reliance on a personal email account to conduct department business.
	Has she been misleading the public on this for well over a year?
	No, I don't think so.
	I think questions are asked and answers are sometimes taken out of context.
	Hillary Clinton broke no law.
	I read all 42 pages.
	Oh!
	Wow!
	Did it take you a week?
	...of the report.
	The conclusion of the report does not say that.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Finkelstein.
	Yeah, we know the conclusion of the report does not say that because that's not what the report was about.
	Another person taking this lie...
	Well, no, I'm sorry.
	It's true.
	The report is about what the department should be doing, but it had Hillary Clinton's name in there about 75 times very specific to what she was doing.
	I dislike you, Feinstein.
	The conclusion of the report does not say that.
	What it says is that the department does not handle these electronic platform operations well and needs to do better.
	Hillary herself has said, yes, I made a mistake.
	If I had a chance to do it over again, I'd do it differently.
	I mean, what do people want?
	This goes on and on and on.
	We're reaching the final stages of a primary.
	Hillary Clinton is going to win this primary.
	I say enough is enough.
	Let's get to the major problems facing this nation.
	But Mrs.
	Clinton has said that it was widely known that she was using her personal email.
	But if you look at this report, it says that when State Department staffers expressed concerns about the arrangement, their supervisor, quote, instructed the staff never to speak of the secretary's personal email system again.
	That sure sounds like somebody trying to hide something.
	Oh, wait a second.
	I don't believe he's trying to hide anything.
	I've known Hillary for a quarter of a century.
	Let me tell you what I do think.
	I think this is a woman who wants a little bit of a private life.
	She wants to be able to communicate with husband, with daughter, with friends, and not have somebody looking over her shoulder into her emails.
	Classic!
	Yeah, that's right!
	Well, we know, you're right, Bill doesn't send emails, so that's certainly not true.
	And I love all, if you go looking for Hillary Clinton at a laptop photo...
	It's pretty funny.
	Yeah, she, you know, every single picture of her with a laptop is her hands kind of, you know, in the nothingness, in the palm rest, so her fingertips are on the palm rest of the computer, not where you rest your palms.
	Not fingers on the keyboard or on the trackpad, no.
	And beautifully lit, backlit.
	So, no, she could only do it from her Blackberry.
	I think that was the only device she understood.
	Yeah, well...
	Anyway, so, but that's why we now have the National Enquirer with the, I don't know if it's a presumption, or the assinuation that a lot of these emails were emails she sent back and forth with her lesbian lovers.
	And they even say, although I don't see how they get that, in the Inquirer, that she's going to come out as bi before the election.
	To get the...
	Before the election?
	Yeah.
	I don't think that'll work.
	I think that's not going to work.
	That'll backfire.
	That's what I would say.
	Because it'll backfire for the reason that...
	Why have you been hiding it until the very last second?
	Yeah.
	If we'd known you were bi since, you know, you were a kid that wrote that book...
	The little book by Hillary, Born to Lead.
	Born to Lead by...
	Born to Lead!
	Then no one would care.
	But if you're putting it off and putting it off, and then you've got this thing going on with Huma Aberdeen, then you've got the Anthony Weiner thing.
	It brings up all kinds of issues.
	Yeah.
	No, no.
	You can't do that, ever.
	I always think it's funny.
	I like it.
	I like it when National Enquirer does that stuff.
	Well, they probably, you know, I don't see anyone suing them under those circumstances.
	Okay, should we take a look at Europe?
	A little Europe look.
	A little migrant news.
	We have some updates.
	Violence has broken out between Afghan and Sudanese migrants at a makeshift refugee camp in Calais.
	Authorities say 40 people have been injured.
	Around 300 were involved in the fighting, which broke out around a food distribution point.
	During the disturbance, tents and temporary structures were burned to the ground.
	Firefighters were called to battle the blaze.
	Local administrators believe some 4,000 people live in the camp, but NGOs suggest the numbers are far higher.
	French police have launched an investigation.
	Unbelievable.
	I think there's probably 10,000 people there.
	It's just insane.
	No one cares.
	Not really.
	And if you thought everything had stopped with the Turkey deal, which for as far as I can tell is not working at all, I have not heard anything about sending any people back.
	More people just keep coming in from Libya now.
	Hundreds of migrants disembark from an Italian Navy ship in the port of Reggio Calabria.
	The Vega also carried the bodies of 45 people who died when their boat capsized on Thursday.
	The UNHCR thinks up to 700 may have died last week in sinkings off the coast of Libya.
	500 people are said to be missing after leaving the port of Sabratha.
	Their boat was being towed by another vessel, but was cut free when it began to take on water.
	Police in Italy have arrested four suspected people smugglers.
	Survivors have identified one of them, a Sudanese national, as the captain of the towing vessel, which was also packed with people.
	Some managed to swim to the first boat.
	Others were rescued from the sea.
	A hundred people are also thought to be missing after their boat sank on Wednesday.
	None of this is good.
	No, this is horrible.
	Particularly if you're a refugee.
	She did say refugees now, but there's more refugees than migrants.
	Now, the last clip in this trifecta is from CNN, who billed this as an exclusive, which to me means someone paid extra.
	And since we're coming up on June 23rd, it is my belief this entire report was paid for by the Leave campaign regarding the June 23rd Brexit vote.
	There are ominous new developments in the migrant crisis.
	Especially if Brawl starts off with ominous, you know that's a paid advertisement.
	There are ominous new developments in the migrant crisis unfolding in Europe.
	We're now learning that ISIS fighters are hiding among the migrant masses, many of them being smuggled through Libya.
	This trade in human souls is awful enough until you think that perhaps ISIS are using this passage of human life into Europe to try and infiltrate the continent with sleeping cells.
	Notice they won't actually say is, they say could be, might be, presumed to be.
	Police tell us off camera they've caught different other migrants with ISIS links.
	Off camera.
	And a top Libyan intelligence official warns us the threat is real.
	Top official among the illegal immigrants on the boats.
	They travel with their families without weapons as normal illegal immigrants.
	They will wear American dress and have English language papers so they cause no suspicion.
	It is a huge and unpatrollable coastline where smugglers rule.
	We talk to one, disguised for his safety, who says in the past two months, varying ISIS has become part of the trade.
	About two weeks ago, a boat left the ISIS stronghold cert.
	Among them were about 40 ISIS. They were heading to Europe, but bad weather turned them back.
	Ten days later they tried again.
	I don't know if they got there.
	About a month ago I got a call from a devout guy I knew was ISIS. He wanted a small boat for 25 people and was willing to pay about $40,000.
	I didn't take the deal.
	Do you and other smugglers feel comfortable moving people who may be ISIS towards Europe?
	Smugglers are only interested in smuggling.
	ISIS, anyone, they don't care.
	Melon or watermelon?
	Only money matters.
	There you go.
	I think that's a paid advertisement.
	Yeah.
	How it felt to me.
	Well, they got to do something.
	The lead group, I mean, I... Whatever the polls say, I think the polls are being used there to manipulate the money, too.
	So we don't know what people are going to do, but I just don't see it.
	I got to tell you.
	I got a letter from somebody.
	Let me see if we can find it.
	While you're looking, I'll say that, again, I received multiple emails from producers in Gitmo Nation East who say, wow, man, you know, that would really not be good.
	I have a bad feeling about leaving.
	So these are our producers.
	I want their thoughts to be known.
	More people then are saying we need to get out.
	Yes, I agree.
	That's the kind of letters I've been getting.
	But I had one, the guy mentioned, I don't see it in front of me here.
	The guy mentions, he says, you know, Britton, you always keep saying, it's one of our producers who's actually a real producer, he's Knight.
	Mm-hmm.
	Night level plus.
	Says, you guys are all for it, you know, but Great Britain UK was, you know, they used to get by without being in the EU and now they, you know, why can't they get by again?
	And of course, everyone, and he saw the movie, the Brexit movie, which is a great movie.
	Yeah.
	Everyone should watch.
	And then he mentions, he goes, he says Britain was, and I don't remember this being true, but okay.
	He says in the 70s, Britain was called the sick man of Europe.
	I think I do remember this.
	Okay, well that's always possible.
	When I read the email, I thought, yeah, I think that rings a bell, but it could be the Mandela effect.
	Here's the problem with anything about the 70s.
	The 70s were a depression decade.
	It was one of the worst we've gone through.
	The whole world did.
	It was a depression called something else, but it was a depression almost on par with the Great Depression of the 30s.
	And we're actually in this similar decade right now.
	And so this is nonsense.
	I don't care what was going on in the 70s.
	It doesn't matter.
	Well, they had Margaret Thatcher, of course, close the mines and everyone was riding in the streets.
	It was a mess.
	It was a mess, but everything was a mess in the 70s.
	It was a mess in this country with the long gasoline lines.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're going to get gas on every other day.
	Oh, yeah.
	And if you did, your license plate had an even or an odd number.
	Yeah.
	And all this other crap.
	Shut up, flame!
	Yeah.
	So we're not going to use this sort of thing as a comparison.
	And you were rich back in the 70s.
	I was working for the government.
	Oh, yeah.
	Rolling in dough.
	Looking back on it, yeah.
	It's above podcasting.
	Yeah, not a podcaster.
	Oh, well.
	So the point is that this is all propaganda.
	Mm-hmm.
	And if you want to believe that you're a helpless mess and you're no good and you're a country that can barely get by on its own, even though you're the financial center that pretty much runs the world in London, fine.
	Stay in the EU and the same thing is going to happen.
	It's going to be worse because what's going to end up happening is something falling apart.
	This is what I'm thinking anyway.
	Is that there's going to be a civil war after the EU puts its army together, and you're going to have all kinds of issues here.
	This is not going to be...
	This is not going to do well.
	I personally think you're better off destroying this thing before it gets out of control.
	And maybe it's already out of control and it's too late.
	Not sure.
	I'm not a big fan of the EU, obviously.
	No, neither am I. After having read the Lisbon Treaty and all the protocols, it's a bunch of...
	I don't think it's good for international relations.
	I don't think it's good for any sort of trade.
	I don't think it's good for anything, unless you're one of the bureaucrats that gets a cushy job.
	I mean, the European Union is basically a trade agreement.
	That's basically, in its essence, what it is.
	It's a trade agreement.
	Yeah, well, it's a trade agreement plus.
	Well, it started as a trade agreement.
	This is how all these things always start.
	It's slow-moving.
	Slow moving are the gas lines in France as the strike, which is to not allow companies to fire and hire as easily as it has been.
	Got a lot of notes about that.
	It is indeed entirely insane.
	And it leads to, according to our producers, very bad hiring practices for obvious reasons.
	And it's very hard to get hired at all.
	And a lot of discrimination takes place.
	Because when a company hires you, it's like a marriage.
	You're in it for life.
	Yeah, so they're very cautious.
	Very, very cautious.
	But from a worker standpoint, yeah, gravy.
	Oh, someone did say that I was incorrect.
	True, I'm partially incorrect about the 13th month in the Netherlands.
	It is not a law that everyone has to give that, but if you don't want to give it, you have to go through quite a process to prove why not.
	And it's only for certain sectors.
	So...
	Anyway, so the fight continues in France.
	This report was kind of funny how it was being masked.
	Oh, everything's okay.
	We're going to be all right.
	We're getting back to normal.
	But, of course, the strike is still on.
	The French transport minister is warning the country's fuel crisis is not yet over.
	Following this Saturday's meeting, Transport Minister Alain Vidalis said the situation at fuel depots is improving.
	In some regions, he says, things are back to normal.
	We're keeping a watch on other regions and we can't say the crisis is over.
	The unions, meanwhile, are refusing to budge.
	I've never closed the door to dialogue, he says, but to have dialogue, there has to be two people.
	The standoff worsened this week.
	France mobilized strategic oil stocks for the first time in six years.
	Six of the country's eight refineries are blockaded or on a go slow.
	So, the guy says, yeah, the gas lines are getting better, it's all going to be back to normal, but the only reason why is because they uncork their six billion, their huge mountain of oil, because there's no transportation of it.
	Yeah.
	And we have the UEFA Cup coming up now in what, seven days?
	You know, France is a country you kind of need to drive through.
	and a lot of people who are going to go to the UEFA, the matches will be driving.
	Well, uh, Oh, the national oceanographic.
	And what are the other two A's for?
	Atmospheric.
	Atmospheric.
	Administration or agency?
	Administration.
	Administration.
	Now, they are the ones that have the numbers to prove global warming.
	A lot of NASA has it, but the NOAA is always saying, warmest year on record, warmest year on record, warmest year on record.
	But I want to make sure it's not a Mandela effect.
	It's warmest year on record that I heard from Noah, correct?
	Warmest month even last month, right?
	That's the warmest minute.
	Oh, that minute?
	That was the warmest minute?
	That would be funny if someone said that.
	I have news here.
	Noah has now confirmed between 10 and 11 a.m.
	was the warmest hour on record.
	Just wait for it.
	Sea levels rising and seas are getting warmer.
	I just want to make sure I'm right.
	I'm not trying to be facetious.
	I know it sounds that way, but sea levels are rising and it's warmer in the oceans, right?
	Right.
	Okay.
	Explain this clip from them.
	This year there is strong variability in several key climate factors, greater than in past years.
	And so there is uncertainty as to whether these factors will be reinforcing each other.
	This, by the way, is the hurricane season outlook.
	...or competing with respect to tropical storm formation.
	More specifically, there's uncertainty about whether the high-activity era of Atlantic hurricanes has ended.
	Hold on.
	What high-activity era?
	Didn't we just close out 127 months of no hurricanes in the Atlantic?
	I think you're talking about the era before.
	Oh, okay.
	...has ended.
	This high activity phase began in 1995.
	It's associated with an ocean temperature pattern that is called the warm phase of the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, or AMO. The AMO. Write it down.
	The AMO. So when it gets warmer, then we get lots more hurricanes.
	A warm phase of the AMO leads to warmer Atlantic Ocean temperatures and a stronger West African monsoon.
	and these contribute to the formation of hurricanes.
	However, during the past three years, weaker hurricane seasons have been accompanied by a shift towards the cool signature of the AMO, cooler Atlantic Ocean temperatures and a weaker West African monsoon.
	What?
	What? yeah I'm confused.
	Yeah.
	If this shift proves to be more than short-lived, if it's not just a temporary blip, then it...
	Oh, blip!
	Blip is the new glitch, man.
	Let me tell you, blip is the way to go.
	Blip.
	Now, she says three years.
	That's your 127 months right there.
	Or, you know, it's in there.
	If it's not just a temporary blip, then it could be signaling the arrival of a low activity era for Atlantic hurricanes.
	Oh, okay.
	Possibly that's already begun.
	Possibly we're just in a transient.
	High and low phases tend to run 25 to 40 years.
	NOAA's outlook for this season indicates that it is most likely to be a near normal year.
	In the Atlantic, the season will likely produce a range of from 10 to 16 tropical storms.
	Those are systems with top sustained winds of at least 39 miles an hour.
	Four to eight of those are expected to become hurricanes with top wind speeds sustained at 74 miles an hour or greater.
	And between one and four of those, of those hurricanes, are expected to grow to major strength of category three or higher, which translates to wind speeds of at least 111 miles an hour.
	If that is what she calls normal, then what were these past 127 months?
	Those were...
	Near normal may sound sort of encouraging, relaxed, things are okay, but I want to emphasize that the predicted level of activity that I just read off, compared to the past three years that we've experienced, actually suggest we could be in for more activity than we've seen in recent years.
	We're all gonna die!
	Alright.
	Well, I don't understand NOAA. No, you don't.
	You don't get it, man.
	I don't get it, man.
	But I'm still in the glitch phase.
	I don't even know what blips are about.
	My, my, my.
	Well, the one thing which I have, I didn't clip, but there's been going around.
	This is a pretty funny one.
	This guy, James F. Black, is an Exxon engineer from the 70s, 1970s.
	And he...
	Wrote a paper saying that there was...
	I guess he was a research chemist or something at Exxon, if they didn't know they did that kind of research, but he did a thing about global warming, or supposedly global warming, at least climate change, in the 1970s.
	And so his granddaughters being...
	Trotted out and run around holding up a bunch of papers saying what she went to the board meeting saying why have nobody you know that you guys knew about the global warming in the 70s and but it seemed to me that everything was just mentioning climate change and if we remember the 70s especially 1977 when this guy supposedly came out with this that was the year the number one year the peak of the global cooling period.
	craziness.
	Exactly, yes.
	77 and 78, I don't know, I have to find this guy's papers because I want to see if he's talking about global cooling, which is what everyone else was talking about.
	And anyway, everyone gets all bent out of shape, but if they knew the moment, it wasn't one article, it was like hundreds of articles were all going to die from global cooling was very, was what we felt at the moment.
	That's what everyone was talking about.
	The meme.
	I remember it.
	It was the meme.
	It was the meme of the moment.
	And I just find that this whole thing is...
	I don't know.
	And everyone is so...
	I'm almost trying to figure out what is the point of it.
	And I keep tracking it back to one thing and one thing only.
	Vegans.
	Vegans.
	They're the only ones who benefit from any of this.
	Get rid of the cows.
	Stop because they're farting too much and they're ruining it for everybody.
	Yeah.
	And we have to stop eating meat.
	We do.
	I don't know.
	I'd like to thank some people before we do that.
	I got the latest New York City Commission on Human Rights pamphlet.
	This is from Bill de Blasio's, the mayor's office.
	And it's a pamphlet that is being distributed.
	And it's good because I finally know where I fit in on the spectrum, the gender spectrum.
	Okay.
	So I'll just give you some choice bits from this little pamphlet.
	It's in the show notes.
	Anyone wants to get it, 829er.noagendernotes.com.
	In New York City, it's illegal to discriminate on the basis of gender identity and gender expression in the workplace, in public spaces, and in housing.
	The NYC Commission on Human Rights is committed to ensuring that transgender and gender non-conforming New Yorkers are treated with dignity and respect and without threat of discrimination or harassment.
	This means individuals have the right to work and live free from discrimination and harassment due to their gender identity or expression.
	Use the bathroom or locker room most consistent with their gender identity and or expression without being required to show proof of gender.
	Be addressed with their preferred pronouns and name without being required to show proof of gender.
	Follow dress codes and grooming standards consistent with their gender identity slash expression.
	And then there's two definitions, which I think is important for us.
	Gender identity, according to the mayor's office, is one's internal, deeply held sense of one's gender as male, female, or something else entirely.
	A transgender person is someone whose gender identity does not match the sex that they were assigned at birth.
	Gender expression.
	External representations of gender as expressed through, for example, one's name, pronouns, clothing, haircut, behavior, voice, or body characteristics.
	Society identifies these as masculine and feminine, although what is considered masculine and feminine changes over time and varies by culture.
	True.
	Many transgender people align their gender expression with their gender identity rather than the sex they were assigned at birth.
	So are we clear on the identity and expression definitions?
	Do your own thing.
	Yes.
	That's what, yeah, that's what it was.
	Hey man, do your own thing.
	It's all groovy, baby.
	That was the 70s.
	Good times.
	Courtesy 101, if you don't know what pronouns to use, ask.
	Be polite and respectful.
	If you use the wrong pronoun, apologize and move on.
	Don't go on.
	When you see somebody, kind of a pat from like Saturday Night Live, you go up to him and say, are you a guy or are you a dude or a chick?
	I can't tell.
	What the hell are you?
	Well, yeah, that's a way to do it.
	Well, that's what he said to do.
	Yeah.
	Respect the terminology a transgender person uses to describe their identity and don't make assumptions about a transgender person's sexual orientation.
	Then they have a handy little list of...
	Wait, somebody...
	Wait, let me get this straight.
	If somebody is...
	Let's say a transgender girl.
	Looks like a woman.
	A man to girl.
	A woman.
	M2F. MTF. Yeah, we'll call it that.
	Yeah, you will.
	I have to ask them, why don't I just call them a she?
	It's what they're presenting.
	Is it possible that someone that presents themselves as a woman...
	No, no.
	You can't do this because that would trigger the person, you see.
	It's better to be safe than sorry and ask up front.
	I'll tell you, I was looking at some...
	There's this big Facebook group.
	Tina's daughter is in it and she shows me all this stuff.
	It's the trigger warning, content warning group.
	So no matter what you say...
	Anything goes, but you have to have a TW or a CW before your text so people know that you'll be triggered by something it says in there.
	Content warning, trigger warning?
	Yep.
	And then there's this one thread where this girl is upset, and she says, you should have posted a trigger warning on what you said because you said someone was stupid, and that is ableism.
	You're ableist.
	And I had to look it up.
	You're making this up.
	No, I'm not making it up, and here's how it works.
	If you were to say to me, I'm stupid, Then you would be an ableist because you discriminated me on the fact that I have not had college.
	So you can't call me stupid because then you are...
	What if I call you stupid because you said something dumb?
	Now, dumb.
	You did it twice.
	I'm not kidding.
	This is really the conversation that's going on.
	And you can post it as long as you put CW or TW. So I can go, hold on, hold on, TW, you're an idiot.
	Can I do that?
	Well, the TW would be for someone else who heard it, but the person who you said it to, it would be ableism.
	Well, I'm in trouble.
	Yes, well, we are definitely able.
	So, for instance, if I say, hey, cripple, how you doing?
	Very ableist of me.
	Although, I find usually the cripple person enjoys that.
	And they'll say, hey, I got Tourette's, whatever.
	Welcome to the club.
	Do your own thing, man.
	Do your own thing.
	Do your own thing.
	Here are some handy terms.
	And to see if one fits you, I found one for me.
	Okay, bi-gendered.
	Is that for you or me?
	No.
	Cross-dresser.
	Drag-king.
	This is new.
	What's a drag-king?
	That is a woman who dresses up like a man.
	Wouldn't that be a bull dyke?
	No.
	Bull dyke?
	No, it's a drag-king.
	Wow, you are really horrible.
	Drag queen, of course.
	Femme queen.
	I'm not quite sure what that is.
	Male to male.
	FTM. Gender bender.
	Gender queer.
	Who's a gender bender, then?
	Well, we had that artwork already.
	That's bender wearing a pink tutu.
	Okay.
	Male to male.
	MTF. Non-op.
	I like that one.
	Non-op.
	I'm a non-op.
	Are you a non-op?
	Everyone I know.
	Most people I know are non-op.
	Hijrah pangendered.
	I have no idea.
	Pangendered.
	There you go.
	But it's Hijrah pangendered.
	What's the difference between Hijrah and Shizrah?
	I don't know what Hijrah is.
	Then we have transsexual and trans...
	This is in the book?
	This is in this pamphlet.
	I'm reading it literally.
	I've got to get a copy of this pamphlet.
	Anyone out there get me one?
	It's in the show notes!
	No, I want a copy, a physical copy as a collectible.
	Because God knows...
	Oh, a physical copy.
	Oh, a physical copy.
	Yes, okay.
	Now listen to this.
	Because I could screw this one up.
	Because I have no problem saying, oh, I noticed you're a transsexual.
	I could bring that up in a conversation like that.
	However...
	What if the person's not a transsexual?
	No, that's not the problem.
	You can either...
	It specifically has transsexual slash transsexual.
	Transsexual with one S or with two S's.
	Hello.
	So it would have to be transsexual.
	Transsexual.
	Transperson.
	Woman.
	Oh, wait, wait, wait.
	I'm still stuck on this back thing.
	So you get transsexual, transsexual, which would be the two S's, or transsexual.
	Correct.
	The one S. Yes.
	And there is a subtle difference in how you pronounce it.
	Yeah, yes, I just did it.
	Yeah, I'm very worried.
	I don't want to throw out the wrong one.
	You don't know?
	Okay, now on the list we have man and woman.
	Oh, what are they doing on the list?
	I don't know.
	Hold on a second.
	I'll write that down for myself.
	Okay.
	Then we have...
	Oh, but here, butch.
	You can use butch.
	What about Bull Dyke?
	Nope, it's not on there.
	Two Spirit.
	I don't understand this.
	Now, I thought this one would adhere to me.
	Two Spirit.
	I liked Two Spirit.
	Tooth?
	No, not Tooth.
	Two.
	Number two.
	Two Spirit.
	Oh, Two Spirit?
	Yeah, like you have two spirits.
	You have a male spirit and a female spirit.
	Maybe you're a chimera.
	Yeah, could be.
	Then we have trans.
	Okay, that should have been closer to the transsexual, I feel, if I was making the pamphlet.
	And then here's, how about agender?
	Agender.
	Agender.
	I'm agender.
	Is it pronounced agender, like asexual?
	Could be.
	Well, okay, agender.
	Yeah, I guess you're right.
	Agender.
	I'm agender.
	Agender.
	Welcome to No Agender, everybody.
	You can turn this into a who's on first bit.
	No problem.
	I think you've been doing that.
	Then we have third sex, which is also nice.
	Gender fluid.
	We've heard that one.
	We have non-binary transgendered.
	Androgyn.
	Non-binary transgendered.
	What is the pronoun for a non-binary transgender?
	Nibet?
	I have no idea.
	Okay.
	Androgen.
	Androgen.
	Okay.
	A-N-D-R-O-G-Y-N-E. Androgen or androgen?
	Androgen?
	I think androgen.
	I think this is where our food supply has been poisoned.
	Go on.
	Then here it is.
	Here is the one that I identify with the most.
	I think I can safely say I am gender-gifted.
	Gender gifted?
	Yep.
	What the hell does that mean?
	Obvious, boy.
	Remember?
	I'm a grower, not a shower.
	I am gender gifted.
	That's right.
	What is it supposed to mean?
	I don't know.
	That's the Texas interpretation of it.
	I don't know.
	Who cares what it's supposed to mean?
	I'm printing up business cards.
	Vista Print, here I come.
	But you can also be, and I think this is for you, you may be a gender blender.
	You may be a female gender gifted and a male gender gifted, so they should have different terms.
	Yes, you're right.
	I think you're a gender blender.
	Gender blender.
	Can you be any combination of the above?
	Well, it seems like that because the next one is a very...
	Can you be a butch?
	No.
	Genderbender transsexual?
	Well, who am I to question how you identify or express your gender?
	You can do whatever you want.
	These are just suggestions.
	But how about this one?
	Ready for it?
	Femme person of transgender experience.
	I notice you're a femme person of transgender experience currently experiencing homelessness while simultaneously experiencing no money.
	I mean, I don't know, man.
	Is there more?
	Or did you go through the whole list?
	The last one is androgynous, which is just not a good kicker.
	You know, I think the femme person of transgender experience is the kicker.
	You know, you've got to know when to get out.
	I thought that was, well, there you go.
	Well, you could have mixed it up.
	Yeah, yeah, I could have mixed it up.
	Well, that's a crock of shit.
	I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda.
	Imagine all the people who could do that.
	Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.
	Yeah, on no agenda in the morning.
	We do have a few people to thank, and let's start by thanking them.
	Timothy Brashears in Cookville, Tennessee.
	$100.
	Yes, and he will be knighted today.
	That's what he says.
	What does he say in his note?
	He says he would like to be a double douchebag.
	Is that what he wants to be?
	He says please send out a double douchebag to those listeners who never donate and who are too cheap to even donate a measly dollar per show.
	Shame on all of you, he says.
	Douchebag!
	He actually says play it twice.
	Douchebag!
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	Ah, yes, another one of those fine ham calls.
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	$80.08.
	He has a little noise.
	His boobs are awesome.
	I agree.
	I think everyone agrees.
	Anonymous in Loudonville, New York.
	$75.
	A birthday coming up there.
	Make sure there's a birthday.
	Yeah, I got it.
	Yep, got it.
	Gabe Shabazian.
	That's a good Armenian name, I believe.
	6666.
	Black Knights are inside jobs up there in Seattle.
	Another 6666.
	Dunker?
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	Thank him, he's always coming in.
	He says Sir Eric, I'm pretty sure.
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	William Wellborn in Kennesaw, Georgia, a very pretty part of the world, $50.33.
	And now we have $50 donors.
	It wraps up pretty quickly today.
	$50 donors, name and city.
	These are each $50.
	Ross Turpin in Troy, Kansas.
	Ben Durall in Malta, New York.
	Carl Salyer in Crofton, Maryland.
	And Sir Peter Tote's Parts Unknown and That's All We Got.
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	Hopefully people will chime in a little, be a little more hearty on Thursday.
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	iPhone schmy phone!
	That's right, it's time for tech news.
	Not like the tech horny, we actually look into issues and tell you what's going on, because we have nothing to gain and we don't give a shit about phones.
	I'm looking forward to what you got for us, John.
	Well, right away, phones.
	No!
	Cell phone cancer on ABC. Thanks.
	Next tonight here to your health and to the debate over cell phones and cancer now reignited.
	A major government study tonight of brain and heart tumors in male rats that had been exposed to radio frequency waves like those from cell phones.
	Here's ABC's Eva Pilgrim.
	Tonight, a new government study reigniting the old debate over whether cell phones could cause cancer.
	Researchers exposed rats to high doses of cell phone radiation, nine hours a day through their entire lives.
	About six times the amount of radiation an average person gets during a cell phone call.
	The early findings show a slight increase in cancerous tumors in the brains and hearts of male rats, but curiously, not the females.
	And so I think that it's important for, as a public health issue, to at least try to answer that question to give people guidance as to how they can change or not change their behavior.
	No human studies have ever proven a conclusive link between cell phones and cancer.
	I'm always aware.
	It's always next to me.
	I mean, they're probably something, but I don't care.
	I need my cell phone.
	Many of us keep our phones close by all day long, even when we sleep.
	It's not so difficult to put your phone, you know, a few feet away from you when you sleep.
	The FDA says if you are worried, cut down on cell phone use and go with hands-free options.
	Yeah, that'll happen.
	David, the cell phone industry tells us they are reviewing this new research, but point out that since cell phone use has grown over the past few decades, the rate of brain cancer in this country has remained stable.
	David?
	Eva Pilgrim with us tonight.
	Okay, so that was a non-report.
	I don't know what the point of it was.
	All the networks did one.
	Now, and everybody did this report.
	It just came out all at the same time.
	I don't know who was behind it or why.
	I still can't quite figure out why.
	But I do want to play another version of this report.
	This is Jane Pauly again.
	Because Jane Pauly, who apparently hasn't been working in the, you know, she's a substitute.
	Hold on a second.
	Book of Knowledge.
	How old is Jane Pauly?
	Sorry, I didn't understand the question I heard.
	Yeah, the thing's useless.
	So she dropped a little tidbit at the end that I was stunned because no one ever does this.
	I have thought about it and I've talked about it, but no one ever does this.
	And she drops this little bomb at the end of this report.
	And I just thought, this is fantastic.
	Somebody finally asks the obvious.
	Folks who spend hours on the cell phone have probably wondered what all that radiation is doing to their health.
	Tonight, a possible clue.
	Here's Anna Werner.
	In one of the biggest studies to date, the National Toxicology Program looked at the potential link between cell phone radiation and cancer.
	Researchers subjected lab rats to the radiation and found some rats developed tumors in the brain and heart.
	The report authors said given the widespread use of cell phones, even a very small increase in cancers from radiation could have broad implications for public health.
	The findings will likely launch a new debate as to whether cell phone use might cause cancer.
	Dr.
	Otis Brawley of the American Cancer Society.
	It is game changing in that it's the first time that we've got evidence that the radio waves from a cell phone actually can cause cancers.
	The FDA says the majority of studies so far have not linked cell phones with health problems.
	Dr.
	Henry Friedman heads the Brain Tumor Center at Duke University.
	This is just an incomplete presentation of information.
	And when you do that, you raise far more questions about the validity of the results.
	Well, it's worth noting the incidence of brain cancer has not increased in recent years, despite the rapid increase in cell phone use.
	But if you're concerned about potential risks, Jane, the experts say you can use either a set of headphones, keep the phone away from your head, or use a Bluetooth.
	Which sits right next to your head.
	It does.
	All right.
	Thank you, Anna.
	And that's happened again.
	But beside that...
	She's the only one who's ever mentioned this obvious bullshit about sticking the Bluetooth thing right in your ear, which couldn't get any closer to your brain, which has got radiation beaming out of it.
	I think even, you know, pretty powerful enough.
	What...
	No one has ever brought this up.
	You're so right.
	Well, another thing, and I looked at the study, of course, and this is all like, oh, could be, maybe, it was like the Paris Climate Accord.
	Yeah, it was bogus, but nowhere did I see them take into their control group or any regard for the, maybe, yes, we have an increase of phone usage, but a decrease in actual holding it to your head.
	People aren't using them to call as much as they did.
	Yeah, more texting than ever.
	Yes, WhatsApp and texting and holding it in front of you to see video.
	So, you know, that made this whole study bogus.
	It's just a behavioral study alongside of it, which just wasn't included as far as I could tell.
	Well, I just think it was planned somehow.
	I don't know who was benefiting from this story, but everyone was running it.
	Ah, that brings me to the next section of our tech news.
	And you just heard the book of knowledge fail, of course, because I was asking it to do something.
	This is the Amazon Echo, or Alexa, as many people know it.
	And...
	It fails on anything except what it's really, really, really good at.
	And that's why this device is genius, because it only has to listen out for a couple of trigger words.
	And I think they call them phrases in the SDK, in the software developers kit.
	So asking what time it is, or the weather, or for my flash briefing, or set a timer, or I can do this book of knowledge, turn the lights off.
	Okay.
	See?
	And the lights just went off.
	So that works because that's integrated and it knows what to listen for.
	But the minute you want to do something outside of that realm, like Wikipedia, and it can read Wikipedia if you say Wikipedia and then the name, but if the Wikipedia entry does not contain, for instance, Jane Pauly's age, then it doesn't even know how to give a proper response by saying it's not on the Wiki page.
	But all of that would have to be programmed.
	Well, what are you going to see today?
	If you look around at the tech horny news shows, you're probably already seeing it because now it's like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Apple.
	Oh, oh, they're going to open up Siri.
	Oh, they're going to have a home device.
	So you don't have to watch any show.
	Mark the time down for that one.
	Just gave you the show in a heartbeat.
	Okay.
	I'm from the future.
	This is going to fail.
	There's one way where it might work, but all centralized services, it's just going to fail.
	Because there is no artificial intelligence.
	There is only skip logic, which is not my term.
	The CTO of America invented that term.
	Former CTO. Skip logic...
	And it's simply just listening for trigger words, and you see all this, oh, this is our artificial intelligence, and it knows how to grab from that source and that source and that source.
	And you'll notice that it's all transactional.
	These things work in a transaction mode.
	Of course, really, the Amazon Echo is intended for you to order stuff.
	So I can just say, book of knowledge, order toothpicks.
	Norpro 360-pack ornate wood toothpicks.
	It's $5.27 total.
	Should I order it?
	No.
	Yes!
	Fuck you.
	No.
	So that's transactional, and it works really well because she understands what I'm looking for, has a catalog, can match my voice, but it's not, you know, open, oh, do all this great stuff for me.
	Now, that's why OK Google works, kind of, because, you know, it knows stuff about you.
	But when you...
	The reason why I'm irked about this is here's IBM, because, of course...
	Yeah, you seem very irked about this.
	This is good.
	Yeah.
	IBM has Watson.
	They've been building this brand for a long time.
	Yeah, it's bogus.
	And they built it for, you know, mainly...
	First, it was for the big Jeopardy thing where they beat Ken Jennings, and Ken Jennings has told me it was a scam.
	Because I know Ken Jennings.
	See, I know people, too.
	We share a love of maps, actually, Ken Jennings and I. We sit around the fire talking about maps.
	And they start marketing for healthcare, and it can give you the right diagnosis.
	But now they're taking it to this level, where they bring the CEO of North Face.
	And he is talking to his Watson, because that's their brand of this bogus skip logic.
	Oops.
	All right, here it is.
	Todd Spiletto, president of the North Face.
	We are working on the prototype to match customers to gear.
	Watson, let's give it a try.
	Say it's mid-June and I'm backpacking in Yosemite.
	Of our 353 jackets, I can recommend nine.
	Watson, what if it rains?
	There is just a 3% chance of rain, so I recommend the breathable stretch fleece fuse form Dolomiti jacket.
	A perfect choice, Watson.
	No wonder our customer loyalty numbers keep climbing.
	I believe we can do even better.
	I like the way you think.
	All right, so the reason why I think this experience will actually happen, although maybe not quite in that conversational mode, but that's very possible, is because the computer said it.
	I've got 356 items.
	I've cross-referenced.
	It's a small database.
	It's working.
	Got it.
	Boom, boom, boom, boom.
	Now, what Apple is going to try and do, everyone will follow and Google will do it.
	They want to open up the access to their cloud system.
	It'll never work.
	I can see Amazon failing already.
	What leaves the room is the magic.
	The magic of the Amazon Echo is you could just say, here, I have an example.
	A book of knowledge.
	I think my point is made.
	You've only done this.
	Yeah, it's a little package I prepared for you.
	Can I stop you right now for a second?
	Yeah, sure.
	I need a breath anyway.
	Nobody...
	I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, and maybe the millennials are different, but I don't think so.
	But the way the world of fashion works is to get you to buy stuff that you like, the looks of.
	So the computer recommending this fleece jacket is, yeah, okay, maybe as a suggestion you could look at it, but you might look at it and say, this thing is ugly.
	It's fugly.
	I don't like it.
	I want something that looks more attractive because I'm spending $100 for this jacket or $200 or $300, and I want to wear something that's kind of stylish.
	This thing's a piece of crap.
	How does that ever take it into account?
	Um...
	I think the transactional process, that can easily be inserted.
	I think that would be a step that you could just put into, hey, you know, take a look at your screen.
	This is what you might look at it.
	I mean, I can see where that would happen.
	But all of this is based upon transactions.
	Not a thing that you can talk to.
	It's not her.
	It's not happening.
	So back to the Amazon failure.
	So they open it all up.
	And once you're in their gateway, right, so you have to use a separate trigger word, funny enough, to get into the external processes gateway, then you can use some natural language.
	Again, the example of the blah, blah, blah, weather, blah, blah, blah, because it's just looking for certain phrases.
	But the problem is getting into the gateway.
	I can't for the life of me remember how to get into StubHub.
	You know, you have to say open StubHub or ask StubHub, and after three times where it goes wrong, so that's where it breaks down.
	It should just understand StubHub, but there's security reasons and other things I think Amazon won't want to do that or couldn't do it.
	So the only way this might work is decentralized.
	But, you know, that would probably drain your battery of your phone or if you wanted to have something running around.
	You know, there's a lot of information.
	If it was your own, and that would be a great app.
	I'm sure there's apps that have stuff like that.
	But this pipe dream of, oh, it's going to be so great.
	And, of course, Apple.
	Well, if Apple does, it's going to be sad and pathetic.
	Like Apple TV, like the Apple Watch.
	It's pathetic and sad.
	It just can't be done.
	There is no AI. And at what point, John, your favorite question, will my refrigerator actually order the milk because I'm out of it?
	It can't.
	Can't.
	So, unless you are going to be making your own, use a scripting language to create stuff, yeah, there's some learning that can be done.
	But that's not going to work on a huge basis like that.
	It's not going to work.
	So, what's your point?
	My point is that it's great to have devices that do certain things very, very well.
	I know it sounds like...
	Like turn off your lights.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And set the timer, and you set multiple timers for cooking, and it can tell me how many tablespoons in the cup, and all this stuff.
	Those are interesting, handy things, but if anyone thinks you're buying into a pipe dream, there is no AI, only the API. There, now I finished it.
	Okay, well I'm all in with you.
	You got any more?
	No, I think you did well.
	No, I mean just tech news, yeah.
	I just wanted to say that I think you're dead on about that whole thing.
	You bought a thing and it didn't work?
	No, it does work for what it's good at.
	It does not work, for instance, as a reference tool for this podcast.
	It's quite poor, actually.
	Well, once in a while it nails something, but it's very rare.
	Your thoughts?
	I've got one.
	Tech news is kind of tech news.
	It's the antibiotic story that's going around for some reason.
	Nobody, of course, this is very interesting because this showed up on a bunch of different news reports.
	Nobody...
	That does network news will discuss the real problem here, which is that the drug companies don't give a crap about developing antibiotics because the whole idea now is to find drugs and ailments that you have to buy drugs.
	You have to keep buying forever something.
	You have to keep taking it.
	That's why diabetes will never be cured.
	Or cancer.
	Or cancer will never be cured because they just want to keep giving you something that's expensive and you have to take it until you drop dead.
	So forget antibiotics.
	So the result is the following story.
	Tonight, the new superbug scare here in the U.S., a powerful bacteria making its way to the U.S. for the first time.
	It's resistant to an antibiotic considered one of the last lines of defense.
	ABC's Lindsay Davis on The New Concern tonight.
	It's what doctors have dreaded for years.
	A strain of bacteria so resistant that the toughest antibiotics can't kill it.
	And it's almost here.
	Tonight, the CDC is sounding the alarm, revealing that a woman in Pennsylvania has become infected with a bug this country has never seen before.
	The more we look at drug resistance, the more concerned we are.
	Overuse of antibiotics has bred superbugs, resistant strains.
	Two million infections in 2013 alone.
	Even worse, 23,000 of those infections are fatal.
	This is the first strain ever found to be resistant to colistin, an old drug of last resort, rarely used because of its harsh side effects.
	The medicine cabinet is empty for some patients.
	It is the end of the road for antibiotics unless we act urgently.
	So he says act urgently.
	Lindsay Davis with us now.
	And we've reported on antibiotics before being overused.
	So what kind of conversation should you have with your doctor after this?
	Right.
	Don't ask your doctor for an antibiotic.
	You don't always need one.
	And if your doctor does prescribe it for you, make sure you take it for the entire course, even if you start feeling better after a day or two.
	Good advice, Lindsay Davis.
	Yeah, this tells us nothing.
	They're not going to do any reporting on the drug companies, especially Pfizer, who used to be the leader in developing antibiotics.
	They shut down the division.
	And also they enjoy the preventative medicine, such as vaccines, which gives them complete indemnity and often a free R&D budget.
	Yeah, no, so these network news, if you watch any of them, and I don't recommend it, but if you watch any of them, you'll just see it.
	Drug ad, drug ad, drug ad, drug ad, all for a whole half hour.
	Just a million drug ads.
	And by the way, they never even mentioned the superbugs name or what it is.
	It turns out to be a form of E. coli, which is nasty anyway.
	Hmm.
	If you get the wrong kind of E. coli, of course, because E. coli does exist.
	It's a day wrecker.
	I don't know if it's tech news, but it seemed like it to me.
	It's a grievance.
	I would like to ask your opinion on two items.
	Since you are a long-time columnist in Silicon Valley, Twitter moving from 140 characters appears it's really going to happen now.
	I believe this is the biggest mistake they could ever make.
	I agree.
	I mean, the only difference between Facebook and Twitter is the UI. That's it.
	There are other differences, but you can surface that any way you want.
	To take that away, it's going to ruin Twitter.
	I think so, too.
	I think it should be 140 characters, and it accomplishes a lot.
	It's called microblogging.
	That was the point of it to begin with.
	That's why it was invented.
	That's why it took off.
	Otherwise, it's just like a public blog.
	And, of course, Dorsey or whoever it was said the...
	Oh, well, they're doing it anyway because people, you can do, you can cheat the system by taking a photo of a bunch of text and posting it as a picture and go on forever.
	And yeah, well, that's, I guess, kind of true.
	You could do that, but it's a lot of work and most people won't do it.
	And if they do it, they do it rarely.
	But I don't know.
	No, it was this dumb.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think it's a big mistake.
	The other thing I believe is just so incredibly stupid is this belief that virtual reality is going to happen.
	There's certainly applications for it.
	Certainly.
	I would say advertising is the main.
	I think that will emerge as the number one content provider for virtual reality.
	Could be.
	All I see is game demos.
	Invest in a 3D game.
	That's a pretty big gamble.
	Who's going to take that gamble?
	Also, I think there's a lot of people that can't use these devices.
	And I think there's a lot of people that can't use them for more than a few minutes.
	They're very stressful on your perception system.
	The image is about an inch away from your eyeball, and you have to have these crazy lenses so you can see it in focus so it looks like it's far away.
	It's very sketchy.
	Yeah.
	But I think advertising, I've not used it, but Google Cardboard, does that work with an iPhone or only with an Android?
	Or does it work with any phone?
	I have one, but I've never...
	I don't know how it works.
	I think any phone that fits in there could be used.
	I think that will be fun.
	People will use that.
	They'll look at products and stuff.
	A couple of times.
	But that's where the money's going to come from.
	There's tons of money for that.
	I think, you know, especially if you just get the little cardboard thing and you slip your phone in, oh, that's cool, you'll like it.
	Then military, I mean, everything else is militaristic, so I'm just not believing that the hype is going to pay out.
	And, oh, yes, so finally, lots of notes from dudes named Ben who work with AS400s, iOS 400, the COBOL guys also, and all agree with our stance that, you know, although...
	One of our producers, I'm going to omit all names here because a lot of people want to be anonymous, said that they use virtual tape drive, so it's no longer floppies, etc., but just a solid-state hard disk that mounts as if it's a floppy.
	Yeah, it looks like a disk.
	Yeah, exactly, exactly.
	Now...
	The software doesn't care.
	The software says, okay, I can live with this.
	And the software works.
	It works.
	It's been there.
	It works.
	It does the job.
	It's not hackable.
	What I heard from more than one of our dude named Ben producers is that these days pretty much everybody outsources the iron itself.
	So, of course, IBM. And there's one competitor.
	Who would be the competitor?
	Would that be Microsoft?
	Yeah, with COBOL systems.
	Geez, I don't know.
	I should know, but I don't.
	Well, maybe it's a third-party vendor, but it's very interesting how you can really only buy cloud services from two vendors, and every four years, they change to the other vendor.
	It's like collusion.
	And this was someone who worked at, I believe, the IRS. Yeah.
	So there's all kinds of...
	Right, we had our IRS guy.
	Yeah.
	Then the one I wanted to read is...
	Let me see.
	One of our producers here.
	Anonymous.
	Now he says, right up front, he says, I want to say that I'm extremely biased here because I'm a consultant specializing in replacing old, mainly COBOL systems with newer ones.
	I'm currently working fairly high up in the hierarchy and I will report back if I hear anything juicy.
	And this is at a government agency.
	Like the precious replacement attempts being classified after spending $2.6 billion.
	Hey, this is interesting.
	Would you like to hear more?
	I'm currently working a government contract replacing a system for keeping track of slaves who have failed to pay the government or other slaves.
	Fairly unique governmental institution in Sweden.
	When someone doesn't pay taxes, bills, mortgages, etc., the claimant sends a request and the state takes possession of your belongings, takes money from the bank, or takes a cut of your salary to pay the claimant.
	That sounds like a cool system.
	You just need to have your identification be a microchip.
	This system launched in 1977 is due to be replaced now.
	This is not the first attempt, it's the third attempt, and the other two failed and ran massively over budget.
	The problem with the system, and the reason it has to be replaced, is that it's a sprawling mess, built by cowboys in the 70s and 80s with no real supervision and no good architecture to stand on.
	The systems are not working as well as a 30-year-old program ought to.
	This particular system has bug fixes deployed 300 times a year.
	They start out small and manageable, but 30 years of shoddy additions creates a support nightmare.
	The second problem is the guys who know the system are aging.
	One guy in the current team is 78 years old.
	What?
	Yeah, spaghetti code.
	Yeah, it gets better.
	And replacements are hard to find.
	Actually, they can't be found since the programmers who made the system have been reluctant to teach any new ones the code base.
	And it's currently so large that at least 50% of the code that no living person knows what it does.
	Since no one knows the whole picture and since there's no documentation and too much implicit knowledge, like, restart this service every Thursday.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	Just restart it every Thursday.
	It's all been impossible to train new programmers.
	It has been tried, and it's failed.
	And when the current batch dies, no one can keep this mess running.
	So the long note, he keeps on going.
	He says, you know, the problem is that when these systems are being replaced, Every single agency, all administrations, government always wants to replace it one-to-one, not redesign an entirely new system,
	which is understandable from a, no one ever got fired for buying from IBM, to design a better system, which, of course, in turn will have many bugs, many flaws, vulnerabilities, etc., etc., etc.
	So there's your counterpoint, I guess.
	But it's not a just guffawing, laughing matter like everyone's like, oh, it runs on floppies!
	If you're listening to podcasts or watching shows that do that, you need to question yourself and check your privilege.
	You need to check your privilege is what you need to do.
	Check your privilege.
	Check your privilege.
	And then I'm going to leave my Spotify financials for next Sunday because that'll hold.
	Bottom line, they're still losing hundreds of millions.
	How could that be?
	And that'll probably continue.
	Yeah, it's never going to.
	And I can make a prediction right now.
	They will not go public.
	This is going to end very, very bad, which, of course, will create tons of opportunity.
	The good phone's a landline, and the phone should be made out of Bakelite.
	And that is your official tech news.
	Alrighty, I... It's as good as it gets.
	I suggest we spin the clip wheel, John, and let's see which one of your clips it lands on today.
	Okay, we're looking for John's clips, and which one is it?
	It is...
	Can you read it?
	Earthquakes!
	Yes!
	That is for 200.
	About 7 million people in the United States live in areas at risk of an earthquake induced by human activity.
	That's according to a new report by the U.S. Geological Survey, which said states, including Oklahoma and Kansas, are now at as high of a risk as earthquake-prone California of a devastating earthquake.
	The central United States has seen a spike in seismic activity due to the injection of wastewater from oil and gas drilling deep underground.
	Hail science!
	All right.
	And that's how we roll.
	Right?
	That sounds good to me.
	Have a good Memorial Day, everybody in the United States or around the world, commemorating our fallen, our soldiers.
	Please do not go up to a serviceman and say thank you for your courage and service.
	It's Memorial Day.
	You're thinking about people.
	It's kind of rude.
	I'm just letting you know not everyone understands that.
	Yes, that is true.
	Yeah.
	So I'm just going to grab one of the taps.
	I don't know which one is going to be the right one, but we're just going to...
	Hopefully it's not done with the saxophone.
	Well, hold on a second.
	Maybe we should check.
	Let's see.
	Yeah.
	That's a good one.
	Yes, that's right.
	And we have this one.
	That sounds live.
	That may be better, more appropriate.
	Let's see.
	And then I have the military one.
	No, I know which one to use.
	No, I know.
	That's no good.
	That's good.
	All right.
	Coming to you from the skyscraper here, Gitmo Nation.
	That is FEMA Region 6 in Gitmo Nation.
	The Crackpot Condo in Austin, Texas.
	In the morning, everybody, my name is Adam Curry.
	And from northern Silicon Valley, I remain.
	I'm John C. Dvorak.
	We will return on Thursday.
	Remember us at dvorak.org slash NA. We'll be right here on No Agenda.
	Adios, mofos.
	Adios, mofos. mofos.
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	I cannot imagine anyone being more of an outsider than the first woman president.
	Who can be more of an outsider than a woman president?
	Well, I can't think of anything more of an outsider than electing the first woman president.
	The woman president of the United States of America.
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	Amen.
	Fist bump.
	Adios, mofo.

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